Article 22254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <81up09$boh$1@news1.skynet.be> Subject: Re: beekeeping Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:05:34 -0500 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.67 Message-ID: <384561d0_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 1 Dec 1999 12:58:40 -0500, 209.222.80.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.67 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22254 Greetings! We have several old and rare books pertinent to beekeeping; http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Hopefully,you will find what you need. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Bart Maes wrote in message news:81up09$boh$1@news1.skynet.be... > I am looking for information about biologique - dynamique beekeeping. Do you > have some? > Bart Maes > > Article 22255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail From: "party2go" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold Apistan Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:03:12 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> Reply-To: "party2go" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust223.tnt26.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22255 Hi folks, I removed my Apistan strips the other day. It was about 45 degrees out. I needed to get them out because I was within a few days of reaching 52. My question is have I done any damage to the bees? Will I have problems will chilled brood? Worse yet could I have killed the queen by getting her chilled? I left the top brood chamber on, and turned it kind of cockeyed but the bees had glued the strips down. With my gloves on it they were hard to remove. I know, I know, a real beekeeper wouldn't wear gloves but I'm still a newbee and those stings hurt! Anyway the hive was only apart for less than a minute. I guess I will always find out next spring if the bees are still there if I did any damage. Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to be Varroa resistant. I'm sure if they are the Super Bees they are being touted as, they will have a hefty price. Also, I wanted to thank all of you for the information you've been giving and the jokes too. It has been a very valuable source of info. It has made my first year very enjoyable. Article 22256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Apistan Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:57:56 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 55 Message-ID: <824jtf$3kg$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.104 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 944100079 3728 12.72.40.104 (2 Dec 1999 02:01:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 02:01:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22256 I doubt that less than 1 minute at 45F is going to do any damage. No matter what kind of beekeeper one is, some type of gloves should always be worn when handling Apistan. I don't recall that the Russian bee really blew the USDA's skirts up in their testing. The showed promise but it wasn't the wonder bee that many were hoping for. The USDA did an article about 6 months ago in ABJ. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there party2go wrote in message news:824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net... > Hi folks, > > I removed my Apistan strips the other day. It was about 45 degrees out. I > needed to get them out because I was within a few days of reaching 52. My > question is have I done any damage to the bees? Will I have problems will > chilled brood? Worse yet could I have killed the queen by getting her > chilled? I left the top brood chamber on, and turned it kind of cockeyed > but the bees had glued the strips down. With my gloves on it they were hard > to remove. I know, I know, a real beekeeper wouldn't wear gloves but I'm > still a newbee and those stings hurt! Anyway the hive was only apart for > less than a minute. > > I guess I will always find out next spring if the bees are still there if I > did any damage. > > Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along > with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management > technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? > > Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be > offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to > be Varroa resistant. I'm sure if they are the Super Bees they are being > touted as, they will have a hefty price. > > Also, I wanted to thank all of you for the information you've been giving > and the jokes too. It has been a very valuable source of info. It has made > my first year very enjoyable. > > Article 22257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Trade" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey tests Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:32:13 -0500 Organization: Trade Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22257 In the course of our business, we recently encountered a potential buyer with certain requirements and tests to be performed on the honey we offer. We have not gone back to the buyer to inquire about these tests. Instead we resort to this newsgroup to try to get more information on these tests. Part of the requirements read as follows: - "radiation (CS 134/137 ) of max. 60 Bq/kg will be tolerated", how do you test for this? - "Residues of CDF : max 10 ppb (Method HPLC)". What is CDF, ppb and HPLC?? - "Difference Proteinfraction Versus C13 Honey : < -1 (White)". What's Proteinfraction and C13? What sort of test this is? - "Glycerine content : lower than 300mg/kg". How do you test for this? - "Yeast content : per 10g honey lower than 500.000 by using the appraisement procedure". How do you test for this? Regards, Carmen Article 22258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Melanie von Orlow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tests Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:32:11 +0100 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 28 Message-ID: <384674DA.BAAC9610@chemie.fu-berlin.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.227.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 944141346 2519586 160.45.227.8 (16 17 19) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321e (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22258 Howdy, now, here in Germany, we have special Honey-labs where you can get your Honey tested. They do know how to do it and what the actual procedures are. Usually you need your honey tested from time to time to get it certified for these conditions your customer is asking for (here, you need to get your honey tested if you want to sell it even to your neighbor). As I'm working in a lab I know what these testing are that you've mentioned here. HPLC means "High pressure liquid chromatography" and is a very sensitive technique to detect slightest traces (parts per billion=ppb) of chemical components. I don't know what this appraisement procedure is - I would test for yeast by using special yeast media plates. The Yeast content is detected by plating the sample (your honey) in different dilutions on these media-plates. The yeast will start to grow on this media and forms colonies which can be counted an the number of yeast cells can be calculated. For radiation testing you need a liquid scintillation counter - a machine which can detect CS and other isotopes. Usually, a laboratory of good practice has one of these 100.000$ machines... Putting everything together I would recommend you to check the yellow pages for a food science lab or ask your local beekeeper association for an associated Honey lab. All these procedures should be standard practices. Melanie Article 22259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Melanie von Orlow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 8 Message-ID: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.227.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 944142118 2545191 160.45.227.8 (16 17 19) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321e (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22259 Howdy, does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to install one (including how to afford it ;-)? Thanks ! Melanie Article 22260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> Subject: SV: Cold Apistan Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:09:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.235.53 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 944148500 212.151.235.53 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:28:20 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:28:20 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22260 party2go skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net... > Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along > with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management > technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? What kind of screens are that? I've never heard of them. But any way of removing mite is good though you'll have to combine different methods to get a satisfying result. > Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be > offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to > be Varroa resistant. Even if bees are tolerant to varroa in one area, it's not sure that they are in an other. I've heard of several places where a balance between bees and varroa has come up, but remember that both bees AND varroa have adapted to each other!!! Doris from Gotland Article 22261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A. Maurer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY PRODUCTION? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:44:37 +0200 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2116.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2201.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.32.59 Message-ID: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 15:40:02 GMT, 139.92.32.59 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!139.92.32.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22261 Hello! I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: How does the bee actually prepare the honey? what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than by which glands? A direct reply would be great!! Thanx A. Maurer. Article 22262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: surface finish on old extractor Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:28:01 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.220.168 X-Trace: 944145343 1NNUCNF1GDCA8C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22262 Hello all Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of renovating an old extractor. Is there a site for this product? Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be welcome Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? Thanks in advance Chris Article 22263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's Honeybees X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:40:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:40:29 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22263 Honey is a product of honeybees processing of nectar. Nectar is manufactured by plants to attract pollinators to flowers in order to ensure pollination. Many flowers have nectaries. These nectaries produce sugar water (essentially) in various concentrations varying by species and cultivar, and environmental conditions. The concentrations are normally no sweeter than 20% complex sugars and 80% water. Honeybees visit the flowers and remove the nectar by sucking it up with tubelike tongues. This nectar is stored by the honeybees in a "honey stomach" and mixed with enzymes such as the "'aces" (glucanase, etc.) and transported to the hive. There, the nectar is transferred to a bee that works in the hive (house bee). This bee will mix more enzymes in and knead the nectar with mouth parts to begin dehydrating the nectar. The enzymes will begin to break the complex sugars to simple sugars and their component parts. Part of this process produces things such as HO (hydrogen peroxide) which contribute to the antibacterial properties of honey. The "house" bees will spread the "unripe honey" around the processing area of the hive and set a breeze traveling through the hive in order to dehydrate it. The honey must be dehydrated for 2 reasons. 1) The nectar would take up too much room within the hive and contains too much water to be stored properly within the hive. 2) Since wild yeasts are everywhere the water content must be reduced to below 19-20% water. At this percentage the yeast will go dormant. Above this percentage the honey will ferment. Once the nectar reaches the proper water level, it is gathered into individual cells, packed and then sealed with a lid of beeswax in order to protect it from elements and rehydration. If there are any other questions, I would be happy to expound. Thom Bradley Thom's Honeybees Chesapeake, VA, USA "A. Maurer" wrote: > > Hello! > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > by which glands? > > A direct reply would be great!! > > Thanx > > A. Maurer. Article 22264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-229.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:55:57 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.e5 X-Server-Date: 2 Dec 1999 16:58:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22264 In article <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de>, Melanie von Orlow wrote: > Howdy, > does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > install one (including how to afford it ;-)? Seems to me the first problem would be light. The interior of the hive is very dark... too dark to use virtually any camera. The only alternative would be to set up a web-cam looking at an observation hive. In this case setting up the obhive would be the first challenge, followed closely by configuring your computer system as a web server to upload continually updated images. What is your objective in setting up a hive-cam? If you're serious about having a live feed from a hive on the web, I'd be interested in setting up the system for you. It won't be cheap, however. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:19 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 25 Message-ID: <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 944171334 2440 12.72.40.152 (2 Dec 1999 21:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 21:48:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22265 Not sure there is much to see in Montana, USA this time of year, but here is one: http://beekeeper.dbs.umt.edu/cgi-bin/video.cgi -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Melanie von Orlow wrote in message news:384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de... > Howdy, > does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > > Thanks ! > Melanie > Article 22266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Beekeeping? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:29:45 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 29 Message-ID: <826odt$de$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip125.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 944170237 430 195.249.242.125 (2 Dec 1999 21:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 21:30:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22266 DAWood skrev i meddelelsen <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net>... > >Is there anyone out there, anywhere in the world, that is able to >produce honey without the use of insecticides...'natural' or >otherwise? Sure there is! But is cost extra work! Though not so much extra! E.g. Ocalic acid take half a minute a beehive. read the report published at http://apimo.dk You can download the html package are allowed to use it on your own homepage if you have such one. The varroa report as html for download is 500K. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 22267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? Message-ID: References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 944185681 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:48:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:48:01 EST Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:54:18 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22267 Hey! That was a very informative reply, Thom; thanks. In article <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB>, thombrad@visi.netBBBBBBB says... > Honey is a product of honeybees processing of nectar. Nectar is > manufactured by plants to attract pollinators to flowers in order to > ensure pollination. > Many flowers have nectaries. These nectaries produce sugar water > (essentially) in various concentrations varying by species and cultivar, > and environmental conditions. The concentrations are normally no sweeter > than 20% complex sugars and 80% water. > Honeybees visit the flowers and remove the nectar by sucking it up with > tubelike tongues. This nectar is stored by the honeybees in a "honey > stomach" and mixed with enzymes such as the "'aces" (glucanase, etc.) > and transported to the hive. There, the nectar is transferred to a bee > that works in the hive (house bee). This bee will mix more enzymes in > and knead the nectar with mouth parts to begin dehydrating the nectar. > The enzymes will begin to break the complex sugars to simple sugars and > their component parts. Part of this process produces things such as HO > (hydrogen peroxide) which contribute to the antibacterial properties of > honey. > The "house" bees will spread the "unripe honey" around the processing > area of the hive and set a breeze traveling through the hive in order to > dehydrate it. The honey must be dehydrated for 2 reasons. > 1) The nectar would take up too much room within the hive and contains > too much water to be stored properly within the hive. > 2) Since wild yeasts are everywhere the water content must be reduced > to below 19-20% water. At this percentage the yeast will go dormant. > Above this percentage the honey will ferment. > Once the nectar reaches the proper water level, it is gathered into > individual cells, packed and then sealed with a lid of beeswax in order > to protect it from elements and rehydration. > > If there are any other questions, I would be happy to expound. > > Thom Bradley > Thom's Honeybees > Chesapeake, VA, USA > > > "A. Maurer" wrote: > > > > Hello! > > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > > by which glands? > > > > A direct reply would be great!! > > > > Thanx > > > > A. Maurer. Article 22268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:18:54 -0500 Lines: 148 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 Message-ID: <384726f3_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 21:12:03 -0500, 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.166 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22268 You gots to love this article... Honey, bumble barf, wasp whoop, bee vomit, apis spew, hornet hoop, Hymenoptera hurl. These and several other not so flowery phrases refer to the regurgitated product from certain insects -- mostly Apis mellifera. If someone walked up to you at a party with an invitation to partake of a sticky partially-digested amber fluid that had been robbed from wax holding vessels filled by vomit (from small flying insects) intended for storage, continued digestion and consumption by themselves and their children, would you say "Yes that sounds marvelous, I'd love to try some"? No. I don't think so. No more than you would say, "Yes, I would love to pry open the calcified covering of a Pelecypoda and pour sweetened tomato puree mixed with spicy tuber root over the raw unprotected flesh of a living boneless bivalve mollusk swimming in a teaspoon of residual sea water and plummet the same still throbbing animal into a pool of acid at the bottom of my stomach." No, only the fevered mind of a horror film writer could imagine such a gruesome torture inflicted upon another. Apis mellifera -- the common honey bee -- what's its story? How is it that a bunch of be-winged factories can turn random droplets of plant nectar into honey? Do they worship and make supplications to the great and fearsome god Hand that orders their lives with divine indifference? How long does it take a train traveling 50 mph due east leaving Pittsburgh at 6:00 a.m. to meet a boat traveling due west up the Hudson River? Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little bee guys work cheap. Free nectar and pollen and they're happy. Heck they can have all the pollen they want as far as I'm concerned. The less of the stuff in the atmosphere the better I like it. Have you ever seen a picture of a pollen grain under an electron microscope? I have -- medieval instruments of confession look more inviting. The Spanish Inquisition, now there's a lively bunch that knew how to inspire conversion. Even as we prepare to enter the 21st century, thousands of Mexican and Spanish Jews are still hiding under the cover of Catholicism. So a few industrious buzzers collect the nectar -- then what? Were you aware that the water content of nectar varies? Well, it does. Anything from thirty or forty percent to ninety percent or more. Maybe less, maybe more, who's got the time to sample the water content of each and every flower? Besides some of these flowers are open to low humidity drying winds that would suck the water content from a rock. With the random effects of weather and the natural distribution of variability amongst the flora it's no surprise that the water content is not uniform. Heck darn diversity is the seed of evolution. However, as any marketer can advise, consumers prefer to buy products that they can trust to be the same from day to day and purchase to purchase. Bottom line: it just won't work to deliver a product that varies from watery to thick -- depending on time of year, plants involved, and humidity of the pasture. Fortunately, the bees have solved this little problem quite nicely. The forager bees (little buzzers that fly around sucking up nectar from flowers and such) gather the raw material. These guys forage for nectar, gather and bring it back to the hive. Since they don't have handy-dandy little buckets (like in cartoons) the bees suck the honey down using a convenient organ located just posterior to the mouth affectionately called the sucking pump. From here the nectar is shuttled down the oesophagus into a thin-walled sac (corresponding to the crop of other insects) called the honey stomach -- so called because it is used to carry nectar or honey. Separating the honey stomach and the ventriculus (the real stomach) is a small sphincter like opening called the stomach mouth. The stomach mouth prevents the nectar from passing from the honey stomach into the further reaches of the honey bees' digestive system. It is here in the honey stomach that the nectar is stored during the long flight from flower to hive. Depending on whether a nectar-find was worthy of pride or required help, the first thing a foraging bee would do upon returning to the hive is dance a little jig -- thus giving the other foragers a clue to the size and location of a nectar-find. After this oratory in farting and tap-dancing is complete the forager bee (still loaded with a stomach full of nectar) would look for a house bee to receive the raw nectar. When a house bee is found, that is not otherwise occupied, the forager bee regurgitates said raw materials. As forging bees are apt to be heard saying, "I have enough to do foraging without having to do all the processing as well. You'd think with sitting around the hive all day she could keep the combs cleaner and do a little processing." In keeping with all post-industrialized factory management, the foraging bees leave the post-gathering production to house bees. Having completed their unionized roll of gathering, the foraging bees regurgitate the only slightly digested nectar and let the house bees suck it down for further processing. When the forager bee has passed a drop of nectar along, the house bee moves into action working its tiny little jaws to the chitin converting the nectar droplet into honey. The house bee has two main processing responsibilities. The first is to dehydrate the nectar into a stable product with batch to batch consistency. This is accomplished by vomiting the nectar and chewing it down over and over again. Each cycle of the process takes about twenty seconds. Given that on the average a house bee will work approximately fifteen to twenty minutes on each droplet of nectar, that translates into about fifty chew-swallow-regurgitate cycles -- guaranteed to eventually dry out even the watery-est nectar. When the nectar's water content reaches an agreed upon concentration (set by arbitrated agreement between management and labor) the house bee stops chewing and adds the partially digested nectar to a cell in the honey comb. It is here that the second processing responsibility of the house bee is accomplished. The sugar profile of raw nectar varies from simple (glucose and fructose) to complex (sucrose). That will never do for feeding young baby bees and besides sucrose is too close to the white crystals of death extracted from sugar cane and beets to be very effective on the retail market. Nope, in the health food market something different (and sweeter) is required -- at least if one wants to compete for that ever elusive (and perhaps mob controlled)1 shelf-space. To solve this marketing dilemma honey bees inject the enzyme invertase into the nectar. The invertase enzyme converts sucrose into smaller, simplier and sweeter sugars. The process is begun in the stomach to be completed in the wax holding tanks of the honey comb over the course of a few weeks. Next time before complaining of how much work it is to lay in a supply of canned tomatoes and pickles for the winter, you may wish to recall the job of the house bee and count yourself lucky. Who would want to chew and spit up cucumbers all night long? Come to think of it, that's the very thing that happened to me the last time I had cucumbers in my salad. Perhaps I should put it into a wax-bucket next to the nursery and let it finish digesting there. Strained cucumbers, that's one food product you don't see on the grocery store shelves everyday. You gots to love this article. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" A. Maurer wrote in message news:384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net... > Hello! > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > by which glands? > > A direct reply would be great!! > > Thanx > > A. Maurer. > > Article 22269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19649-38208B84-6@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: What is Honey?? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:20:14 -0500 Lines: 137 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 Message-ID: <38472744_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 21:13:24 -0500, 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.166 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22269 You gots to love this article... Honey, bumble barf, wasp whoop, bee vomit, apis spew, hornet hoop, Hymenoptera hurl. These and several other not so flowery phrases refer to the regurgitated product from certain insects -- mostly Apis mellifera. If someone walked up to you at a party with an invitation to partake of a sticky partially-digested amber fluid that had been robbed from wax holding vessels filled by vomit (from small flying insects) intended for storage, continued digestion and consumption by themselves and their children, would you say "Yes that sounds marvelous, I'd love to try some"? No. I don't think so. No more than you would say, "Yes, I would love to pry open the calcified covering of a Pelecypoda and pour sweetened tomato puree mixed with spicy tuber root over the raw unprotected flesh of a living boneless bivalve mollusk swimming in a teaspoon of residual sea water and plummet the same still throbbing animal into a pool of acid at the bottom of my stomach." No, only the fevered mind of a horror film writer could imagine such a gruesome torture inflicted upon another. Apis mellifera -- the common honey bee -- what's its story? How is it that a bunch of be-winged factories can turn random droplets of plant nectar into honey? Do they worship and make supplications to the great and fearsome god Hand that orders their lives with divine indifference? How long does it take a train traveling 50 mph due east leaving Pittsburgh at 6:00 a.m. to meet a boat traveling due west up the Hudson River? Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little bee guys work cheap. Free nectar and pollen and they're happy. Heck they can have all the pollen they want as far as I'm concerned. The less of the stuff in the atmosphere the better I like it. Have you ever seen a picture of a pollen grain under an electron microscope? I have -- medieval instruments of confession look more inviting. The Spanish Inquisition, now there's a lively bunch that knew how to inspire conversion. Even as we prepare to enter the 21st century, thousands of Mexican and Spanish Jews are still hiding under the cover of Catholicism. So a few industrious buzzers collect the nectar -- then what? Were you aware that the water content of nectar varies? Well, it does. Anything from thirty or forty percent to ninety percent or more. Maybe less, maybe more, who's got the time to sample the water content of each and every flower? Besides some of these flowers are open to low humidity drying winds that would suck the water content from a rock. With the random effects of weather and the natural distribution of variability amongst the flora it's no surprise that the water content is not uniform. Heck darn diversity is the seed of evolution. However, as any marketer can advise, consumers prefer to buy products that they can trust to be the same from day to day and purchase to purchase. Bottom line: it just won't work to deliver a product that varies from watery to thick -- depending on time of year, plants involved, and humidity of the pasture. Fortunately, the bees have solved this little problem quite nicely. The forager bees (little buzzers that fly around sucking up nectar from flowers and such) gather the raw material. These guys forage for nectar, gather and bring it back to the hive. Since they don't have handy-dandy little buckets (like in cartoons) the bees suck the honey down using a convenient organ located just posterior to the mouth affectionately called the sucking pump. From here the nectar is shuttled down the oesophagus into a thin-walled sac (corresponding to the crop of other insects) called the honey stomach -- so called because it is used to carry nectar or honey. Separating the honey stomach and the ventriculus (the real stomach) is a small sphincter like opening called the stomach mouth. The stomach mouth prevents the nectar from passing from the honey stomach into the further reaches of the honey bees' digestive system. It is here in the honey stomach that the nectar is stored during the long flight from flower to hive. Depending on whether a nectar-find was worthy of pride or required help, the first thing a foraging bee would do upon returning to the hive is dance a little jig -- thus giving the other foragers a clue to the size and location of a nectar-find. After this oratory in farting and tap-dancing is complete the forager bee (still loaded with a stomach full of nectar) would look for a house bee to receive the raw nectar. When a house bee is found, that is not otherwise occupied, the forager bee regurgitates said raw materials. As forging bees are apt to be heard saying, "I have enough to do foraging without having to do all the processing as well. You'd think with sitting around the hive all day she could keep the combs cleaner and do a little processing." In keeping with all post-industrialized factory management, the foraging bees leave the post-gathering production to house bees. Having completed their unionized roll of gathering, the foraging bees regurgitate the only slightly digested nectar and let the house bees suck it down for further processing. When the forager bee has passed a drop of nectar along, the house bee moves into action working its tiny little jaws to the chitin converting the nectar droplet into honey. The house bee has two main processing responsibilities. The first is to dehydrate the nectar into a stable product with batch to batch consistency. This is accomplished by vomiting the nectar and chewing it down over and over again. Each cycle of the process takes about twenty seconds. Given that on the average a house bee will work approximately fifteen to twenty minutes on each droplet of nectar, that translates into about fifty chew-swallow-regurgitate cycles -- guaranteed to eventually dry out even the watery-est nectar. When the nectar's water content reaches an agreed upon concentration (set by arbitrated agreement between management and labor) the house bee stops chewing and adds the partially digested nectar to a cell in the honey comb. It is here that the second processing responsibility of the house bee is accomplished. The sugar profile of raw nectar varies from simple (glucose and fructose) to complex (sucrose). That will never do for feeding young baby bees and besides sucrose is too close to the white crystals of death extracted from sugar cane and beets to be very effective on the retail market. Nope, in the health food market something different (and sweeter) is required -- at least if one wants to compete for that ever elusive (and perhaps mob controlled)1 shelf-space. To solve this marketing dilemma honey bees inject the enzyme invertase into the nectar. The invertase enzyme converts sucrose into smaller, simplier and sweeter sugars. The process is begun in the stomach to be completed in the wax holding tanks of the honey comb over the course of a few weeks. Next time before complaining of how much work it is to lay in a supply of canned tomatoes and pickles for the winter, you may wish to recall the job of the house bee and count yourself lucky. Who would want to chew and spit up cucumbers all night long? Come to think of it, that's the very thing that happened to me the last time I had cucumbers in my salad. Perhaps I should put it into a wax-bucket next to the nursery and let it finish digesting there. Strained cucumbers, that's one food product you don't see on the grocery store shelves everyday. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Dave Green wrote in message news:19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com... > From: ClarenceIII@webtv.net (Clarence A.III) > Article 22270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au> From: adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:14:15 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.55.52 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 944183793 139.132.55.52 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:16:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:16:33 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22270 > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >> Orangerose said: >> >> >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed >> >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. >> >> >> I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white >> people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a >> pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal >> rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not >> suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal >> environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > I think you would probably loose this bet. A large proportion of veganism and vegetarian thinking come from hard done by countries. It actually makes better economic sense to promote a vecan lifestyle. I don't remeber the exact lie/statistic, but in most developed countries, more agricultural land is taken up with the production of food for livestock than for people. If we stopped farming animals, we could feed twice as many people. This discussion has made me hungry. Think I'll go have a nice bug juicy steak. Adrian. Article 22271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Beekeeping? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Dec 1999 03:10:18 GMT References: <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991202221018.23510.00000305@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22271 >is there anyone out there, anywhere in the world, that is able to >produce honey without the use of insecticides...'natural' or >otherwise? > >It seems that from a quick perusal on Deja and on this group, that >Varroa gets them all in the end without some form of help...but does >anyone seem to be having any luck without medicating? > >Are there any resistant strains available anywhere in the world? > >This may have been discussed at length, but have patience with me as a >newcomer. I've lost several hives over the last few years (I'm a >small time hobbyist), and would love to find a way to keep them >without the chemical help. > >Anyone? > >Doug > Try e-mail to deelusbybeekeeper@up2me.com the Lusby's have been using natural size combs in their beekeeping for many years, they have varroa and do not treat, Ask the how they do it. Sincerely David Miksa Article 22272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-74.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:01:44 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.4a X-Server-Date: 3 Dec 1999 05:03:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22272 In article <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > Not sure there is much to see in Montana, USA this time of year, but here is > one: > > http://beekeeper.dbs.umt.edu/cgi-bin/video.cgi > According to my web browser, there's absolutely nothing to see in Montana today. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: nobody@null.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:44:53 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22273 On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100, Melanie von Orlow wrote: >Howdy, >does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does >anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to >install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > >Thanks ! >Melanie > Setting up a webcam that updates at some interval is not hard at all. Assuming you have an ISP that provides some webspace for you, and a little elementary knowledge of HTML you can do it yourself pretty easily. The hard part is getting the image to update, but that is taken care of by a piece of software called "Webcam32". This software costs $25, and you can pick up a webcam for about $50, so it won't be very expensive. Check out http://surveyorcorp.com/webcam32/ for more details on the software. Phil Lachmann Article 22274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:28:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 944234857 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:27:37 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:27:37 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22274 Christopher Dainton wrote: > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. I would HIGHLY recommend NOT USING this product. I am writing from my own first hand experience with it. Here's what I experienced: I bought a used stainless steel extractor. I cleaned it thoroughly and then I applied the epoxy coating (IAW the label directions). After letting it dry for a couple of weeks, I "hosed out" the extractor with hot water. This is where the problems started. The force of the hot water spray (from a garden hose), literally peeled off the coating from the sides of the extractor. At that point, I decided to completely remove the coating and it was a mess (very difficult) to remove it all, in every nook & cranny (because I had coated the extractor reel and all internal parts). My experience would suggest that you save yourself from disappointment and much additional work and not use this coating. (It sounds great in principal but in reality, it don't work!). Article 22275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:54:54 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <384803EE.67C0E648@midwest.net> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22275 "Larry S. Farris" wrote: > > Christopher Dainton wrote: > > > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > > renovating an old extractor. > > I would HIGHLY recommend NOT USING this product. > I am writing from my own first hand experience with it. > > Here's what I experienced: > I bought a used stainless steel extractor. I cleaned it > thoroughly and then I applied the epoxy coating (IAW > the label directions). I've *got* to ask - why did you feel the need to coat a stainless steel tank? AL Article 22276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38480636.9CD9ABD@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> <384803EE.67C0E648@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 944244240 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:00 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22276 AL wrote: > why did you feel the need to coat a stainless steel tank? Because my thinking at the time was, that since honey is slightly acidic, I didn't want it pitting the surface of my used but "high dollar" ss extractor. The reason I did it is not really germane to the poster's original request for comments about the use of a protective conformal coating. My answer was designed to pass on my own first hand experience with such a product (and hopefully save him money, time and wasted effort). Article 22277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:46:32 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8294eo$fod$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: userb162.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944248088 16141 193.149.71.145 (3 Dec 1999 19:08:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 1999 19:08:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22277 Hi, I'd considered re-lining an old tin-plate extractor I had however, as the European food laws are quite strict and the covering process none too reliable, I decided to just buy a new food grade polythene and stainless steel one (and I'm glad I did as the new extractor weight much less and is a lot easier to spin). Hope this helps, Nick Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com... > Hello all > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. > Is there a site for this product? > Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be > welcome > Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? > Thanks in advance > Chris > > > Article 22278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> <38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au> Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5gW14.863$m6.74809@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:05:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 944255105 24.65.109.115 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:05:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:05:05 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22278 adrian wrote in message news:38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au... > > > > > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > >> Orangerose said: > >> > >> >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed > >> >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. > >> > >> > >> I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white > >> people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a > >> pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal > >> rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not > >> suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal > >> environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > > > > > I think you would probably loose this bet. A large proportion of veganism and vegetarian > thinking come from hard done by countries. It actually makes better economic sense to promote > a vecan lifestyle. I don't remeber the exact lie/statistic, but in most developed countries, > more agricultural land is taken up with the production of food for livestock than for people. > If we stopped farming animals, we could feed twice as many people. > This discussion has made me hungry. Think I'll go have a nice bug juicy steak. > > Adrian. I heard vegans are good eating, just gotta marinate them a little longer than beef hugh > > Article 22279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering techniques for beeswax Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:25:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <829g0o$rbr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19991129000619.08297.00001197@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 03 22:25:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22279 In article <19991129000619.08297.00001197@ng-fl1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) > > >have tried cheese cloth, paper towels, coffee filters etc.. > >how do some of you folks filter your last melting of wax ? > >meaning after the wax is free of parts etc, just wax with fine particles left > > We use organdy from a fabric shop for both honey and wax. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Hi all, We use a different method from all posted so far. This is not origional as I copied an old machine labeled "Mountain Grey". Our version is made of stainless stees and comprises a cylinder approx 30" tall and about 10" across, about 2" from the top there is a trough which is high at the back and slopes down as it goes round the cylinder ending in a spout. As the wax goes through the filter medium it pours into the trough runs round to the spout and into a bucket. Now for the "secret" PRESSURE. How, well there is a tube which extends about 10" above the top of the cylinder ending in a funnel. The tube goes to about 1" from the bottom of the cylinder. Talk about a picture being worth...(grin) To get this to work we fill the cylinder with a gallon or so of water and heat it. The rest of the drum is filled with the wax. Over the rim and there needs to be a pronounced rim, we stretch the filter. We work up to the final filter which is a double layer of surgical lint. The filter is secured with Jubilee clips ( like you use on cars for hoses) when all the wax is molten and all is secure we pour a kettle of boiling water down the spout to make sure it is clear, then we pour in buckets of COLD water. Simple physics means the cold water pushes up the hot water which of course has the wax above that and shoves it through the lint down to the trough and hence to the collecting bucket. All this because the water level is 10 inches higher (hydrostatic pressure). Ours will filter as described the best part of 90 pounds of wax in a batch and it is all, barring mishaps candle quality. If the filter slips off while under pressure the result I leave to your immagination, not a pretty sight! Sorry to be so long winded, but I hope this is of some use. If anyone really wants a picture I make no promises (scanner problems) but contact me @ beeman@beeman.free-online.co.uk Regards, beeman. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:02 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 10 Message-ID: <829knb$1et$1@gxsn.com> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.150.238 X-Trace: 944264747 1NNUCNF1G96EEC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22280 Thanks for your replies Frank of NZ e-mailed me direct with an interesting suggestion of coating the extractor with beeswax which has survived two seasons Any comments Chris Article 22281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering techniques for beeswax Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:13:23 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <82asvs$8dv$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: useri492.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944305980 8639 194.69.106.102 (4 Dec 1999 11:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 11:13:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22281 I know this may sound one of the most 'colourful' of the suggestions, but I always use a pair of women's nylon stockings stretched over a frame (such as a bent wire coat hanger). The wax comes through this quite easily and cleanly but the real advantage is that the 'filter' stays light in weight and is easy to dispose of. Nick Bown Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com... > Hi gang, > Am looking for a few comments from the peanut gallery > > have tried cheese cloth, paper towels, coffee filters etc.. > how do some of you folks filter your last melting of wax ? > meaning after the wax is free of parts etc, just wax with fine particles left > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 22282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:19:05 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <82atam$8o9$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: useri492.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944306326 8969 194.69.106.102 (4 Dec 1999 11:18:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 11:18:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22282 Getting the image to update is easy and doesn't need any special software, just stick in an HTML page update (or redirection header pointing to the same page) with an update period of, say, 10-60 seconds. This header tag will force the users browser to reload and get the new webcam image. Page reloads were introduced in HTML 2.1 (if I remember rightly). Nick Bown wrote in message news:3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com... > On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100, Melanie von Orlow > wrote: > > >Howdy, > >does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > >anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > >install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > > > >Thanks ! > >Melanie > > > > Setting up a webcam that updates at some interval is not hard at all. > Assuming you have an ISP that provides some webspace for you, and a > little elementary knowledge of HTML you can do it yourself pretty > easily. The hard part is getting the image to update, but that is > taken care of by a piece of software called "Webcam32". This software > costs $25, and you can pick up a webcam for about $50, so it won't be > very expensive. Check out http://surveyorcorp.com/webcam32/ for more > details on the software. > > Phil Lachmann > Article 22283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Dec 1999 13:55:10 GMT References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22283 John O'Brien said >>You and CC would get even better effects from the bee stings if you give up the rubbing ointment you are talking about. You need to subscribe to the Apitherapy Mailing list and read the archives about this subject or re-ask the question. http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/apithera.htm Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface of the skin and thereby lessens the hurt. Also more blood flow means better distribution of the venom. Seems to me that any form of cooling would have the opposite effect and somewhat negate what we are trying to accomplish with the sting. Herb Article 22284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Dec 1999 02:55:54 GMT References: <8294eo$fod$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991203215554.04392.00000518@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22284 >> Hello all >> Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of >> renovating an old extractor. >> Is there a site for this product? brushy mountain sells the stuff 1-800-beeswax Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38493F5D.25561B6C@earthlink.net> From: Scotty99 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is Honey?? References: <19649-38208B84-6@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com> <38472744_2@news.cybertours.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Trace: /w3Za7fQEufS8fQYLG/8Q7OzvCeIukrmy9Bl/EVq70aFE8g24BCBhPg1vJBkpCbQiQrKcz47GPW2!ylvltWay6S8HeTIebtiJaa1YAxqpM2t8TX2s+6SSJe/TCSjH9ofJt57bsw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:20:25 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:20:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22285 Midnitebee wrote: > Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, > carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is > it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis > School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that > could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little > bee guys work cheap I heard up north that most of the worker bees are union now. If anyone is interested I have scab bees that can replace striking worker bees, lol. Scotty99 Article 22286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Message-ID: References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 944326512 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:55:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:55:12 EST Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:01:31 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22286 Thanks, dude; I'll remember that. In article <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com>, vasak@aol.com says... > John O'Brien said >>You and CC would get even better effects from the bee > stings if you give up the rubbing ointment you > are talking about. You need to subscribe to the Apitherapy Mailing list and > read the archives about this subject or re-ask the question. > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/apithera.htm > > Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) > comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is > water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin > at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface > of the skin and thereby lessens the hurt. Also more blood flow means better > distribution of the venom. > > Seems to me that any form of cooling would have the opposite effect and > somewhat negate what we are trying to accomplish with the sting. > > Herb > Article 22287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-244.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold Bees Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:24:07 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.f4 X-Server-Date: 4 Dec 1999 05:26:39 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22287 Greetings all... It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after having braved the elements for to pick up some delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. To wit: I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the queen. Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): 1) Is the above assumption valid? 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than would their older sisters? Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:34:12 -0800 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <82buhu$9m0$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.158 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 944340350 9920 12.72.50.158 (4 Dec 1999 20:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 20:45:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22288 To #1 I say no. Your assumption is that a bee on the outside of the cluster is condemned to remain there. The cluster is more dynamic than that with bees moving around, kind of like a convection current. #2 becomes moot. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0312992224070001@pool-207-205-183-244.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings all... > > It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this evening, and, upon > returning to my warm house after having braved the elements for to pick up > some delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my thoughts turned > toward my backyard bees. > > To wit: > > I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and > heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster > is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the > queen. > > Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN > JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > > 1) Is the above assumption valid? > > 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, > force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their > mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, > which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive > than would their older sisters? > > Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Using Oxcalic and formic acid in the fight against Varroa Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:21:39 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 22 Message-ID: <82amda$ih9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip12.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 944299242 18985 195.249.242.12 (4 Dec 1999 09:20:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 09:20:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22289 Dear beekeeper! I have now put up the Report as an Adobe PDF file, so that Unix and Macintosh owners also have a change to read the Varroa report about use of Oxalic acid and Formic acid in the fight against Varroa. Visit the URL http://apimo.dk/programs/varroa_report.pdf best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 22290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A. Maurer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax, Propolis, Royal jelly Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:03:42 +0200 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2116.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2201.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.32.4 Message-ID: <38498eaa_3@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 4 Dec 1999 21:59:06 GMT, 139.92.32.4 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.online.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!139.92.32.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22290 Hello! Can anyone help me with some info about wax, propolis and royal jelly - how are they produced or used by the bees (which glands etc..)??? Thank you very much A. Maurer Article 22291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:56:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <82c2mr$g0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Dec 04 21:56:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22291 HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > Greetings all... >Does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, force the older >bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their mortality rate >while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, which would >have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than would >their older sisters? > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com ************************************************* Howdy Stretch -- Way back "when" I read from the experts that the cluster is in constant motion (rotating outside bees to the inside). This sounds reasonable. Ladies are very reluctant to let their age be known. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 00:10:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22292 > >I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and >heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster >is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the >queen. > >Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN >JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > >1) Is the above assumption valid? > >2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, >force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their >mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, >which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive >than would their older sisters? > >Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > here i is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! them bees is jus fine, they're swapping places round and round, eatin and vibratin them wing muscles. you jus send me some pics a that snow ya hear ?????? a bus ticket to see it would be even better Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Daniel D. Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees and Other Thongs Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:22:46 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3849d908.837441@news.tco.net> References: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22293 >you jus send me some pics a that snow ya hear ?????? > >a bus ticket to see it would be even better > > >Kevin Better yet come further west 65 today sun shine and you can look east and see snow(50 Mi.) north snow (85 Mi. and west snow (40 Mi.) and work all day in just a long sleve shirt. Some days it just dont get any better. Dan Article 22294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:53:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.190 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 944405650 209.90.4.190 (Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:54:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:54:10 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22294 Vasak wrote in message > > Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) > comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is > water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin > at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface Thanks for sharing that. I also use nothing, but your method of rubbing the skin before makes sense and I will try that. John Article 22295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <384A8634.F3D29D6@earthlink.net> From: Scotty99 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 139 X-Trace: /wmbEg9birKNC9rSSEigf51oOLwzYbcYEkbC+i883+MudlmDlumKOEbsq+4ibdnk15jt2A9mFAod!dNayj5FWVzv9vJKnravD2T4Y3aTrc5j5cpWCLppIX9egPUDNN58ZO2GF X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:35:07 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:35:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22295 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > Orangerose said: > > >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed > >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. > > It's a little known fact that after keeping bees for many years, the > beekeeper is overcome by the stronger culture of the bees and becomes > the one who is kept. > > Some beekeepers are traditional farmer-like, plodding, boringly > patriotic tedious non thinking homophobic, and vegan hating. We had some > guy posting here recently who was on about fornicators spreading aids > with the help of mosquitos, probably a typical southern beekeeper. > > > Such vegans often > >do not even keep pets. Extreme? yes. Anything wrong with it? > > Extremism is as American as Tom Delay, perfectly normal; > but how come you don't you want a real friend, a nice dog? A dog won't > care if you're a vegan, although he might not get too enthusiastic over > the table scraps, he/she will, love you just the same. You should see > how many are out there, just take a visit to the pound, every cage full. > > > The (mis)treatment of plants has > >nothing to do with it and is merely a red herring to divert the argument. I > >have never been asked this question by someone who did not seem to feel that MY > >dietary/lifestyle choice somehow threatened theirs. > > Relax, nothing you do threatens me. > > If your reasons for not mis-treating animals are well articulated, then > it's only natural to attach that logic to everything we eat. I think > for instance that the relentless hybridizing and now genetically > modifying and patenting necessary food plants is evil and should be > stopped. > > It is for instance, monstrous to put fish genes in tomatoes just to > increase shelf life in a supermarket. > > I also think it's disrespectful to the plant, and discounts the plant's > evolutionary struggles to arrive at its present stable and nutritious > form. There are fundamental truths of nature, like realizing a few genes > separate homos from being some other primate, or a plant, and depending > on the code you get, depends on what you turn out to be. Maybe those > hindus are on to something. > > >I would put forth that prosteletizing Christians are just > >as annoying as prostelitizing veg*ns. > > I agree. > > > I think of Christians as basically nice people who are trying to do the right thing in > >this world by living compassionately and with grace. > > Some people need to have religion, I think that's pretty well > established; but, when they start operating radio and television > stations and are allowed by the state, to accumulate large amounts of > cash and property because mostly they pay no taxes, like corporations, > then their next step is toward politics; in fact, they've already taken > it, and we're seeing the early benefits of this thinking in our present > sitting congress; even though many who got out the vote are now > disappointed to find their representatives have been more changed by the > system (i.e. bribery and corruption) than the other way around; but, as > all can see, even christians have now rationalized greed. > > I think christians should take a page out of that book where Jesus is > quoted by his trusted apostle Matthew in that part of the synoptic > gospels of the same name, where Jesus, unequivocally states: (Mat. 6:5) > and warns against conspicuous prayer, and spreading tedium. Jesus > further adds cryptically: "they shall have their reward" and I would > add, I hope so. > > I keep remembering what H.L. Mencken said about the puritans: "I don't > mind them thinking like they do, I just don't want them wanting me to > think like they do." > > >Not a Christian, yet I am the first to defend Christians with all > >my heart and soul. > > Maybe you should come to Amarillo, Texas, join one of those off the wall > christian churches (there are more than 300 odd) and don't forget to > tell them you're a vegan. You may have to explain what that means, but > after that, you'll be able to formulate a more educated opinion > regarding your above statement. > > > Most veg*ns are basically good people with good values and good intentions and a healthy > >respect for life and the natural world. > > I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white > people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a > pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal > rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not > suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal > environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > Vegans get more attention than they deserve rather like the communist > manifesto, when it was first published. This is because those ideas > threatened the establishment that knows it's basically wrong, but would > rather die than change, or have you die for reminding them. > > >Everyone is entitled to their opinion > > Now, I'll fight for that. > > Charlie Kroeger > > - > They intoxicate themselves with work so they won't see how they > really are. > > Aldous Huxley Most meat eaters are no different than vegans. Vegans refuse to eat any meats. I can respect this decision. I myself will not eat meat that has been factory farmed. Now many meat eaters will eat beef, pork, chicken, and fish. They won't eat cats, dogs, and horses. Why? It's meat too and probably is every bit as tastey as other meats. If you try to eat a horse in Texas you'll be lynched, yet in Belguim it's a tastey treat. So meat eaters can call vegans freaks for being compassionate towards all animals while the meat eaters themselves display this "freaky" compassion over certain animals. I know many persons who won't eat bambi or thumper even though thumper is much more efficient converting grain into meat than is elsie or babe and has much less fat and cholesterol than any other meat including chicken. Thus, meat eaters are just as goofy as vegans. I haven't even brought up the subject of insects. Many meat eaters also have something against eating our winged friends of the insect world. A grasshopper is nothing more than a land lobster. Grasshoppers, crickets, ants, meal worms, and bee larvea are some good eats although a lot of freaky carnivores won't touch this food. It's kind of an upside down world where one won't eat a wholesome plate of meal worms yet will gorge themselves on a chicken that was raised in a 16" x 22" cage with 9 other chickens, fed a diet that includes chicken guts of the decaying and rotting chickens that die in these concentration camp conditions, is debeaked and injected full of antibiotics in an effort to counteract the unsanitary lviing conditions, and whose processed body weight is 10% fecal soup when purchased at the grocery store. I'd prefer a honey dipped grasshopper to this sort of chicken any day of the week. Scotty99 Article 22296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:29:42 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <384A92F6.5294ED6C@midwest.net> References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> <384A8634.F3D29D6@earthlink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22296 Scotty99 wrote: > I'd prefer a honey dipped grasshopper.... Hmmm, locusts & honey diet - now where have I heard that one before :) AL Article 22297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Tim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: giant honeybee? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:51:04 +0000 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 15 Message-ID: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Reply-To: the.dr@tesco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.64.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22297 Does anyone know anything about the giant honeybee (apis dorsata) just curious really regards Tim.. -- Remember: Above all BEE happy http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm (Just another bee page) Article 22298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:51:30 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> References: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 0qgXkHRBPCZeMFKgJpbdqWB1W4H0/Ysca6gqXVPWeS4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1999 19:46:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22298 Written accounts are available telling precisely what happens to the bees in the winter cluster. One such that I recommend is the book "The Biology of the Honey Bee" by Mark Winston. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 22299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.online.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!icx.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: is this working Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:25:15 -0500 Organization: ICX Online, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.168.42 X-Trace: news3.icx.net 944429295 4941 209.209.168.42 (5 Dec 1999 21:28:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@icx.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1999 21:28:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22299 Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately Article 22300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:39:13 GMT References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205163913.12903.00001229@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22300 >Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately Say what???? I can't hear a thing. Herb Article 22301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: giant honeybee? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 22:11:22 GMT References: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991205171122.22759.00000042@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22301 yeah i know something about them Al Article 22302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 23:45:18 GMT References: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205184518.21517.00000605@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22302 >Dick Bonney >rebonney@javanet.com > > > the richard bonney ?????? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:01:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <82f0nq$p3p$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22303 "Richard D. Hackworth" wrote: >Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately No we don't work, we're beekeepers. Maybe you need a new pickup line? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: December drones Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 02:30:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22304 Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either a queenless hive or a drone-layer. I did not have my veil and equipment with me, so I couldn't check brood patterns to see what was going on. I won't get another chance until next weekend. If real winter finally starts before then, it could be quite awhile. My question is this: Is it possible that an unseasonably warm fall in New England has fooled the queen into behaving like it's spring, complete with drone brood? It was so warm today I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt! I'm told that once upon a time in New England, people went outdoor ice skating before Thanksgiving. (I moved here from California last year and it feels like I never left.) The long-term trend in weather seems to be for warmer winters, which makes sense since 5 of the years since 1990 have been the hottest on record. This is where beekeepers are hurt by the fact that few books have been written about Southern (US) beekeeping, where winters have always been warmer. So this question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different about keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of it? Article 22305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: giant honeybee? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 03:01:16 GMT References: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205220116.02288.00000821@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22305 I read an article in the San Francisco Chronicle/Examiner archives about buddhists and bees coming into conflict. It was a travel piece about a guy who was crossing through Tibet or Nepal or somewhere. A hive of apis dorsata had set up right over the trail. The writer described a particularly vicious attack, with bees chasing the traveler's group for miles to a nearby village. Lots of stings. The writer mulls the problem facing the life-revering buddhist villagers. What to do about such an obvious hazard on an important trade and transportation route? He recounts the story of buddhists digging a hole who search through each spadeful of dirt to rescue the worms whose lives might be endangered by the spade blade. What would be the response of the local buddhists to the bees? What was the upshot? A couple of villagers went back up the trail and firebombed the hive. Apis Dorsata are very aggressive. I read that in a reference book somewhere (I can check the source if you like), but this anecdote seemed a better way to make the point. Even buddhists bend the rules where apis dorsata are concerned. Cheers, John Article 22306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 03:10:09 GMT References: <384A92F6.5294ED6C@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205221009.02288.00000823@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22306 Kudos to Scotty for posting the most convincing message yet in this thread. But I think the anwser to the gross chicken conundrum is to grow your own chickens...though I'm not opposed to honey dipped grasshoppers. Article 22307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:57:53 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 944459182 209.69.69.113 (Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:46:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:46:22 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22307 Hey! my experience with cam-cote is great! I used camcote to coat the reel and baskets of an old galvanized extractor three years ago- and my results have been teriffic! I first had the reel and baskets sandblasted to remove all of the old finish, and then I used the camcote according to the label instructions. After three seasons of hard use, the only areas that have chipped are where the legs of the baskets sit on the floor of the reel, and these are scratches, more than chips. I have also used the same coating on an old cast iron cider press that I plan on using to press combs from my top bar hive- can't report on the durability to use since I havent used it yet, but the coating is very firmly bonded to the cast iron. If your surface is properly prepared and cleaned, I don't see why the coating wouldn't stick properly. (Read the label- no grease or wax residue, and the label recommends treating with a hot vinegar solution. I think that this would slightly etch the surface and give the coating something to grip to. My surfaces were already etched by the sandblasting, so after one messy trial with vinegar, I just painted them without the vinegar pre- treatment.) Maybe new stainless steel was too slippery a surface for the coating to adhere to. I would hesitate to coat an extractor with beeswax. I purchased an extractor that had an old coating of beeswax on the inside, and it was the most disgusting clean up job I have ever dealt with. The wax had picked up so much propolis and dirt that the coating resembled the black greasy muck you find under the burners of a stove that hasn't been cleaned in many years. Oven cleaner did eventually take off this mess, and steel wool and Scotch brite pads did the rest. We have coated it with cam-cote, and so far everything looks fine- won't be able to report on actual use untill next June. Ellen Anglin Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com... > Hello all > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. > Is there a site for this product? > Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be > welcome > Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? > Thanks in advance > Chris > > > Article 22308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Message-ID: <944436253@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 23:55:48 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 7d95084d REPLY: 240:44/0 bd72dd5b PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg H> From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" H> Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping H> Subject: Cold Bees H> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:24:07 -0600 H> Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY H> Lines: 32 H> Message-ID: H> nx.grid.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.f4 H> X-Server-Date: 4 Dec 1999 05:26:39 GMT H> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9053 H> Path: H> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news H> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newspeer1.nac.net H> !nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.ne H> t!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-244.phnx H> .grid.net!user X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 944461984 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22308 H> Greetings all... H> It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this H> evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after H> having braved the elements for to pick up some H> delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my H> thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. H> To wit: H> I assume that during weather like this, due to H> variables of insulation and heat loss, the H> mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the H> cluster is greater than that of those in the H> interior of the cluster, near the queen. H> Two questions for those of you who may be attuned H> to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): H> 1) Is the above assumption valid? H> 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's H> survival mechanism, force the older bees to the H> edge of the cluster, thus increasing their H> mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same H> for the younger bees, which would have many more H> bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than H> would their older sisters? H> Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... H> -- H> Charles "Stretch" Ledford H> STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY H> "North America and the Entire World" H> http://www.GoStretch.com Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying their ageing process is retarded. It is in the interest of the colony to keep all their members alive as they are part of the living thermostat. If somebody in a more extreme climate than the UK would like to repeat Mr Nantes' experiment and record ambient temperature against the time taken for individual marked bees to make a convection current cycle they might find that they cycle more quickly when the weather is colder. This is speculation which Mr Ledford with his skills and equipment could confirm or deny. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.qis.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.randori.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Message-ID: <384bbaa0.1175121812@news.usenetserver.com> References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:26:30 PST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 13:32:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22309 I have also been wondering about the unusually warm weather .. do you think that with no pollen / nector sources they are using up the winter stores much faster? I was just worried that I could starve the ladies if it would turn very cold in Jan/Feb after the past 2 months of unusually warm weather. Dave On 06 Dec 1999 02:30:01 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 >F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. >Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either >a queenless hive or a drone-layer. I did not have my veil and equipment with >me, so I couldn't check brood patterns to see what was going on. I won't get >another chance until next weekend. If real winter finally starts before then, >it could be quite awhile. >My question is this: Is it possible that an unseasonably warm fall in New >England has fooled the queen into behaving like it's spring, complete with >drone brood? It was so warm today I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt! >I'm told that once upon a time in New England, people went outdoor ice skating >before Thanksgiving. (I moved here from California last year and it feels like >I never left.) The long-term trend in weather seems to be for warmer winters, >which makes sense since 5 of the years since 1990 have been the hottest on >record. >This is where beekeepers are hurt by the fact that few books have been written >about Southern (US) beekeeping, where winters have always been warmer. So this >question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different about >keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of >it? Article 22310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 14:07:10 GMT References: <384bbaa0.1175121812@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19991206090710.23821.00000028@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22310 I'm very worried about starvation, too. The bees probably are using up their stores much faster. So I'll toss this question out to the group to — Should Northern beekeepers start wintering their bees over in 3 deeps, or 2 deeps and a shallow, because of the warmer winters? Article 22311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (Bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:42:41 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 43 Message-ID: <384b75d1.48761131@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> <829knb$1et$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p262-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22311 On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:02 -0000, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Thanks for your replies >Frank of NZ e-mailed me direct with an interesting suggestion of coating the >extractor with beeswax which has survived two seasons >Any comments >Chris This is the message I sent to Chris. (Its a copy of an e-mail I sent to someone a couple of yrs ago, I have since used this extractor for a further season with 10 hives & will hopefully be dusting it off shortly to extract this years crop :-). ) Cheers frank ... paste I got given an old 2 frame galv extractor with a couple of hives I bought, but it had obviously been unused for a long while, and the tank was badly rusted inside, like virtually all of the bottom and some on the sides. The baskets were also rusty. I was going to throw it out, but as it is the only extractor I have I decided to try to try to coat it with beeswax. I dismantled it and then heated the tank gently over a barbeque until a piece of wax held against the metal would melt readily. I then rubbed wax all over the insides, giving a rather uneven & lumpy coating. I then gently reheated it until the wax melted again and all the imperfections in the coating smmothed out. It left a beautifully smooth coating that completely covered and bound in all the rust. Encouraged by this I coated the baskets by heating small areas at a time with a small hand held propane torch and then rubbing on the wax, and reheating just enough to smooth it out. I then used this to extract my honey (from 5 hives) with no problems at all, and the coating seems to be just as good after this as it was when I started. I cleaned it out at the end of the extracting with a hose & cold water, and I think it will still be OK next season, (unless wax moths get in or something). Even if this does happen I will certainly just redo it next season, as it is really easy to do, (much easier than writing it down :->) costs nothing & works like a charm. Hope this is useful Article 22312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (Bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:39:21 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 1 Message-ID: <384b8434.52444644@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> <82f0nq$p3p$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p262-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22312 Unemployment isn't. Article 22313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:42:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <82hakf$vq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> <19991205184518.21517.00000605@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:42:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22313 I rather suspect there is a lot going on in the winter that very little is "known" about. The primary reason is I strongly suspect is that the research is so difficult. I was shown this weekend three sites for over wintering bees. One of these sites was against all "rules" yet I was assured by a very competent bee farmer that this was a good site. I am left wondering what the bees really need to winter successfully and what is legend.Is there an agreement on this? Probably not as my climate is different to yours (maritime)but what do the bees need? Seasons greetings to all the group, Pete Watt. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!hygrade.bluemarble.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!ameritech.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old English Brown Bee Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:59:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <82hbjq$1or$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <81cel0$l99$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991123152856.03706.00000798@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:59:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22314 OK, At the time of the so called "Isle of Wight" disease Brother Adam was in his twenties. How could he have known that all the native bees were dead? By his vocation he was "grounded" at Buckfast. The native Black bee is alive and well in the UK.This may be unpalatible and against the legend but there it is. No-one is perfect including this humble bee servent. Regards, Spirtle. In article <19991123152856.03706.00000798@ngol05.aol.com>,: > beeman writes: > > >One or two people one of whom was a > >monk who was somewhat limited in his movements given his vocation > >decided that the British please note British Black bee was defunct. > > You must be kidding. > Brother Adam travelled the world in search of better bee strains. He probably > had quite a network of beekeepers as well given his accomplishments. I think it > is unfair to characterize him as you have. Why? He wrote an untruth which has become "accepted" fact. That does not make it right. > > Could you clarify what you are saying about the member from whatever and the > British Black Bee and native bee. Is the Old English Brown Bee used for > beekeeping in Scotland. > Al >No. The theory is that the further north you go the rounder the bodies to protect the organs. There is also a way of measuring the wings "veniation" to establish which species the bee is. I have measurements off the official scale. True British Black maybee... Regards, Spirtle. You Can't believe all you read! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:25:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 84 Message-ID: <82h9kk$4s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <944436253@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:25:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22315 There is a theory that this exchange of bees from the interior of the cluster to the exterior is caused by thirst. The bees on the inside of the cluster get thirsty and push to the outside to get wet air and the bees on the outside are given their chance to get in to the warm and have a feed.This was based on research done at Craibstone NOSCA. Regards, Pete Watt In article <944436253@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) wrote: > > H> Greetings all... > > H> It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this > H> evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after > H> having braved the elements for to pick up some > H> delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my > H> thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. > > H> To wit: > > H> I assume that during weather like this, due to > H> variables of insulation and heat loss, the > H> mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the > H> cluster is greater than that of those in the > H> interior of the cluster, near the queen. > > H> Two questions for those of you who may be attuned > H> to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > > H> 1) Is the above assumption valid? > > H> 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's > H> survival mechanism, force the older bees to the > H> edge of the cluster, thus increasing their > H> mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same > H> for the younger bees, which would have many more > H> bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than > H> would their older sisters? > > H> Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > > H> -- > H> Charles "Stretch" Ledford > H> STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > H> "North America and the Entire World" > H> http://www.GoStretch.com > Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a > glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed > the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time > the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the > top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees > take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then > take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying their ageing > process is retarded. It is in the interest of the colony to keep all their > members alive as they are part of the living thermostat. If somebody in a more > extreme climate than the UK would like to repeat Mr Nantes' experiment and > record ambient temperature against the time taken for individual marked bees to > make a convection current cycle they might find that they cycle more quickly > when the weather is colder. This is speculation which Mr Ledford with his > skills and equipment could confirm or deny. > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.euroweb.hu!news.euroweb.hu!not-for-mail From: service@fromhungary.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LIVE LIVE LIVE 5248 Date: 6 Dec 1999 16:32:30 GMT Organization: EuroWeb Hungary http://www.euroweb.hu Lines: 14 Message-ID: <82goeu$fou$8347@mail.euroweb.hu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.68.61.233 X-Trace: mail.euroweb.hu 944497950 16158 193.68.61.233 (6 Dec 1999 16:32:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@euroweb.hu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 1999 16:32:30 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22316 !!! LIVE FROM HUNGARY !!! 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By his vocation he was "grounded" at Buckfast. The native >Black bee is alive and well in the UK maybe he had some sort of devine guidance, that was his field as well Al Article 22318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:42:40 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.d5 X-Server-Date: 7 Dec 1999 05:45:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22318 In article <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com>, Richard Bonney wrote: > Written accounts are available telling precisely what happens to the > bees in the winter cluster. One such that I recommend is the book "The > Biology of the Honey Bee" by Mark Winston. > > Dick Bonney > rebonney@javanet.com Thanks... Saving this post for my winter reading list. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:44:47 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <944436253@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.d5 X-Server-Date: 7 Dec 1999 05:47:26 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22319 In article <944436253@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) wrote: > Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a > glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed > the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time > the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the > top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees > take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then > take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying their ageing > process is retarded. It is in the interest of the colony to keep all their > members alive as they are part of the living thermostat. If somebody in a more > extreme climate than the UK would like to repeat Mr Nantes' experiment and > record ambient temperature against the time taken for individual marked bees to > make a convection current cycle they might find that they cycle more quickly > when the weather is colder. This is speculation which Mr Ledford with his > skills and equipment could confirm or deny. Ahhh...but he doesn't have the time... the time, the time.... the time. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:45:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <944436253@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.d5 X-Server-Date: 7 Dec 1999 05:48:09 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22320 In article <944436253@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) wrote: > Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a > glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed > the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time > the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the > top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees > take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then > take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying their ageing > process is retarded. It is in the interest of the colony to keep all their > members alive as they are part of the living thermostat. If somebody in a more > extreme climate than the UK would like to repeat Mr Nantes' experiment and > record ambient temperature against the time taken for individual marked bees to > make a convection current cycle they might find that they cycle more quickly > when the weather is colder. This is speculation which Mr Ledford with his > skills and equipment could confirm or deny. > Chris Slade > But I also meant to say that your answer was very informatinve and interesting and I do appreciate it. ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold Bees and Frames Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:48:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.d5 X-Server-Date: 7 Dec 1999 05:51:09 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22321 K... for the $50 follow-up question: What about the frames inside the hive... when speaking of the "cluster" and imagining what it looks like, should one (well, should I) imagine a cluster without the frames dividing it, knowing all along that the frames actually do? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!NewsWatcher!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:50:37 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.d5 X-Server-Date: 7 Dec 1999 05:53:16 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22322 In article <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 > F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. > Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either > a queenless hive or a drone-layer. Whoa! I've been observing more drones coming and going (mostly going) from my hive this November/December than at any other time during this, their first year. Is this really a red flag? It's been pretty warm here in COSprings, especially in November... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <384D9E7D.A18B021C@together.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 18:55:41 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-251-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 7 Dec 1999 10:41:25 -0500, dial-251-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 29 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-251-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22323 With many colonies in NW Vermont, I always see drones in the late fall. Some colonies seem to kep some of their drones, and I don't think it is necessarily an indicator of a problem. JMitc1014 wrote: > Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 > F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. > Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either > a queenless hive or a drone-layer. I did not have my veil and equipment with > me, so I couldn't check brood patterns to see what was going on. I won't get > another chance until next weekend. If real winter finally starts before then, > it could be quite awhile. > My question is this: Is it possible that an unseasonably warm fall in New > England has fooled the queen into behaving like it's spring, complete with > drone brood? It was so warm today I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt! > I'm told that once upon a time in New England, people went outdoor ice skating > before Thanksgiving. (I moved here from California last year and it feels like > I never left.) The long-term trend in weather seems to be for warmer winters, > which makes sense since 5 of the years since 1990 have been the hottest on > record. > This is where beekeepers are hurt by the fact that few books have been written > about Southern (US) beekeeping, where winters have always been warmer. So this > question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different about > keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of > it? 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I believe the bees cluster between the combs, and also in the cells of the comb? Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > K... for the $50 follow-up question: > > What about the frames inside the hive... when speaking of the "cluster" > and imagining what it looks like, should one (well, should I) imagine a > cluster without the frames dividing it, knowing all along that the frames > actually do? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax recipes Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:21:46 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <82k8du$jie$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <82k342$cb6$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22327 Try http://hometown.aol.com/oelaineo/formulas.html Article 22328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Overwintered drones (formerly Dec. drones) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Dec 1999 13:21:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991207082128.00998.00000156@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22328 Michael Palmer wrote: With many colonies in NW Vermont, I always see drones in the late fall. Some colonies seem to kep some of their drones, and I don't think it is necessarily an indicator of a problem. With bees I know anything is possible, but you're the first I've ever read or heard about who said some colonies keep their drones through the winter. Not that I doubt your observations. It must be very aberrant for colonies of bees to do that, but that's why I say 'generally an indicator of a queenless hive or a drone-layer.' Maybe it's not so uncommon... I've read 14 books on beekeeping in the last year, and each has stated with some finality that drones get tossed in the fall. I observed my hives doing it months ago. That's why I was so surprised. Article 22329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Dec 1999 14:29:10 GMT References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991207092910.07597.00000360@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22329 From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) >So this >question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different >about >keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of >it? Strong hives here (SC) will keep drones, sometimes thru the entire winter. I've seen them toss them out in a November cold spell, then go right back to rearing them, when it warms up. I've also seen them keep drones all winter, and toss them out during a March storm. Temperature/availability of pollen seem to be the critical factors. We have pollen thru most of the winter. We had pollen right up to the 19 degree temperature last week, then it stopped for a couple days. Yesterday there was abundant pollen. I haven't opened hives lately, but I expect some of them to have drones. You are concerned that your drones may be an indication of problems. Take a close look at them. Are they fat and healthy? If so, you have a strong hive that is just keeping drones. Or do they look underfed, weak, puny? Then you have a drone layer. I doubt laying workers would raise many drones to adulthood; I've never seen it. By the time you have laying workers, the hive is close to extinction. Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com Unique Y2K gifts for your pollination customers, and gardening friends: http://members.aol.com/PotGold/ Article 22330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-24.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: POT PLANTS FROM ITALY Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:48:49 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <82k5u7$9u1$1@nslave2.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.18 X-Server-Date: 8 Dec 1999 04:51:28 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22330 In article <82k5u7$9u1$1@nslave2.tin.it>, "paolox" wrote: > ODDONE FLORICOLTURA > > mediterranean pot plants from Italy > > services for wholesalers > Question: If a honey bee visits the bloom on a pot plant, does she fly higher for the rest of the day? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <384DE648.6BC462D7@agalis-no-spam.net> From: Steven Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supers filled with wood shavings to draw moisture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@209.210.100.146 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 05:00:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 944629255 207.173.200.229 (Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:00:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:00:55 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22331 Does anybody use supers filled with wood shavings to draw moisture during the winter months? Where I live (NW Oregon) we don't have much problems with cold winters, but rather *really wet* winters. If so, is there anything special about your setup? (types of wood, how shaved, etc.) Thanks in advance, Steven Jones remove the -no-spam from steve@agalis-no-spam.net to reply Article 22332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees and Frames Message-ID: References: <384D9F00.B1F8873D@together.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 944631262 216.100.16.35 (Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:34:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:34:22 EST Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:40:44 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22332 In article <384D9F00.B1F8873D@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net says... > Do the frames really divide the colony? > Not in a top bar hive. There are no frames in a top bar hive. This year I have a combination hive, with about 6 inside brood frames from a shallow super lowered down into the top bar hive. Article 22333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moth-Like Drones (formerly Overwintered drones) (formerly Dec. drones) Message-ID: References: <19991207082128.00998.00000156@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 944632199 216.100.16.35 (Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:49:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:49:59 EST Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:56:20 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22333 Last month here in Hemet California I happened to be outside a little before dawn and there were 100 or more drones buzzing around like moths around the lighted floodlight. Is that behavior unusual? I have never seen it before, but I am a rookie. In article <19991207082128.00998.00000156@ng-cs1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com says... > > With many colonies in NW Vermont, I always see drones in the late fall. Some > colonies seem to keep some of their drones, > Article 22334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: POT PLANTS FROM ITALY Message-ID: References: <82k5u7$9u1$1@nslave2.tin.it> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 944632670 216.100.16.35 (Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:57:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:57:50 EST Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:04:12 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22334 A little bird told me that there appears to be more pollen than nectar on those plants. She says there's not a true flower with petals and all that on those type plants. In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) says... > In article <82k5u7$9u1$1@nslave2.tin.it>, "paolox" wrote: > > > ODDONE FLORICOLTURA > > > > mediterranean pot plants from Italy > > > > services for wholesalers > > > > Question: > > If a honey bee visits the bloom on a pot plant, does she fly higher for > the rest of the day? > > Article 22335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!63.209.14.66!news.randori.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Message-ID: <384d2102.2194046@news.usenetserver.com> References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19991207092910.07597.00000360@ng-fq1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 40 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:54:33 PST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:00:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22335 I agree with Dave .. its the pollen or lack there of that influeneces the bees to flush drones Dave On 07 Dec 1999 14:29:10 GMT, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) > >>So this >>question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different >>about >>keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of >>it? > > Strong hives here (SC) will keep drones, sometimes thru the entire winter. >I've seen them toss them out in a November cold spell, then go right back to >rearing them, when it warms up. I've also seen them keep drones all winter, >and toss them out during a March storm. Temperature/availability of pollen >seem to be the critical factors. We have pollen thru most of the winter. We had >pollen right up to the 19 degree temperature last week, then it stopped for a >couple days. Yesterday there was abundant pollen. I haven't opened hives >lately, but I expect some of them to have drones. > > You are concerned that your drones may be an indication of problems. Take a >close look at them. Are they fat and healthy? If so, you have a strong hive >that is just keeping drones. Or do they look underfed, weak, puny? Then you >have a drone layer. > I doubt laying workers would raise many drones to adulthood; I've never >seen it. By the time you have laying workers, the hive is close to extinction. > >Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://www.pollinator.com > >Unique Y2K gifts for your pollination customers, and gardening friends: >http://members.aol.com/PotGold/ > > Article 22336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Steven Newport" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax recipes Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:49:52 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <82k342$cb6$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-44.monkeyface-eel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 944607170 12646 62.137.45.44 (7 Dec 1999 22:52:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Dec 1999 22:52:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22336 Can anybody let me have any recipes for using beeswax - polishes, creams, etc. Any web sites? Thanks Steve Article 22337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "GordonR" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for local honey Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:59:22 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <82lh9s$bqe$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-76.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 944654460 12110 62.136.66.76 (8 Dec 1999 12:01:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1999 12:01:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22337 I have been searching the WWW to see if I can track down a supplier of unpasteurised local honey in West Yorkshire, and have found this newsgroup. Can anybody help me with a contact number for a local beekeeper/supplier or website that would give me a list of suppliers? Many thanks in anticipation. Gordon Ruckman e-mail: gordon@ruckman.freeserve.co.uk Article 22338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <384E5E48.57360135@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:34:00 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Chad Howell Subject: Re: hand holds References: <384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p3-71.clinic.net X-Trace: 8 Dec 1999 13:33:33 GMT, d-p3-71.clinic.net Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p3-71.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22338 Chad Howell wrote: > > Does anyone make their own wooden ware? My grandfather and I made mine > last winter and we used a dado blade to cut the hand holds in the brood > and honey supers. I was wondering how manufacturers like Miller Wood > Products cut the hand holds in their boxes? The only advantage I see in the dadoed handholds is side by side stacking. I add rectangular blocks to each side for better purchase. Much easier to lift and move around. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!216.176.128.3!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hand holds Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:36:10 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-5-174.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 944621043 5480 216.176.151.174 (8 Dec 1999 02:44:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1999 02:44:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22339 Does anyone make their own wooden ware? My grandfather and I made mine last winter and we used a dado blade to cut the hand holds in the brood and honey supers. I was wondering how manufacturers like Miller Wood Products cut the hand holds in their boxes? Article 22340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping course Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:26:28 -0500 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.210 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.210 Message-ID: <384e68d2_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 8 Dec 1999 09:18:58 -0500, 209.222.80.210 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.210 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22340 The Hernando County Beekeepers Association in conjunction with the Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service will be offering a one day Beekeeping Workshop for beginning beekeepers on March 4, 2000. The cost of the workshop is $25.00. Participants will receive a copy of "First Lessons in Beekeeping" and lunch will be provided. speakers will include Dr. M.T. (Tom) Sanford, Extension Beekeeping Specialist from the University of Florida - Laurence Cutts Assistant Chief Apiary Inspector and James Alderman Bee Inspector For more information about registration contact: Ed Mabesoone e-mail apism@earthlink.net Tel (352) 596-6263 after 7:00 PM Karen Tuttle e-mail merryhillfarm@juno.com Tel (352) 796-0123 after 7:00 PM Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Tel (352) 754 4433 8-5 Monday thru Friday Ed Mabesoone The Mabesoone Family Apiary Ed Mabesoone's Beekeeping Video's http://www.robmerco.com/tmfa.htm -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 22341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.bc.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand holds Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:12:03 -0500 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 28 Message-ID: <384E6733.C48167AE@lambton.on.ca> References: <384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net> <384DE370.9C264D29@agalis-no-spam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22341 I made about 8 boxes this summer. I used a router to make the handles. Cut out a sort of 'template' on a small piece of plywood, and lightly nailed it into where side of the box where I wanted the handle, just enough to keep it from moving, and put the router to work. Worked beautifully. I found making the boxes to be a challenge though. If you are off by even a quarter inch when the whole thing gets put together, the frames won't sit properly, and you've effectively made a useless super. Steven Jones wrote: > I won't be too much help here, but I've wondering the same thing too. As > far as I can guess, it's some sort of cutter head that attaches to a > tablesaw, but I've never been able to find one that does this. > > I'd like to know as well. > > Steven Jones > NW Oregon > > Chad Howell wrote: > > > Does anyone make their own wooden ware? My grandfather and I made mine > > last winter and we used a dado blade to cut the hand holds in the brood > > and honey supers. I was wondering how manufacturers like Miller Wood > > Products cut the hand holds in their boxes? Article 22342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Dec 1999 14:56:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991208095633.22399.00000036@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22342 >Thanks for sharing that. I also use nothing, but your method of >rubbing the skin before makes sense and I will try that. To tell the truth, I also use nothing because I usually forget to rub the skin first. However, it made sense to me when Stefan explained it. Is there some optimal time to leave the stinger in? There must be some point where the tiny venom pump slows down so much that there is no use leaving it in. I've been leaving stingers in for about a minute. BTW, yesterday was a jackpot day for finding crawling bees here in NW Florida. It was our first heavy frost and temperature never got much over 50 F all day. Some of the poor little tykes were carrying pollen but just couldn't make it back to the hive. Work, work, work right up to the end of their live. I know how they feel!!! I finally found the site I had been to before that explained that speed of removal is most important for people who want to lessen the effect of the sting. Herb http://www1.mosby.com/Mosby/Wong/hcom_wong_w10.html Article 22343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand holds Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Dec 1999 15:07:03 GMT References: <384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991208100703.22399.00000045@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22343 >Does anyone make their own wooden ware? My grandfather and I made mine >last winter and we used a dado blade to cut the hand holds in the brood >and honey supers. I've done it with a skil saw, but a dado blade or router would be best if a person is going to do very many. With a skil saw you just have to set the blade at the right depth, make several passes, and carefully watch what you are doing. This males protective goggles a necessity! Sincerely, Herb Article 22344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is Varroa Varroa ? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:34:22 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 40 Message-ID: <82m4vc$k6h$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip107.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 944674604 20689 195.249.242.107 (8 Dec 1999 17:36:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1999 17:36:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22344 Referencing an article in the Danish Beekeeper magazine! Anderson & Truemann a lot is pointing at, that 5-6 sorts of Varroa is present in the World. All which is harming the bees differently. Varroa Jacobsoni Oud, that was first described in 1904 is apparently not that Mite, that is spread in the most of the world. The suspect about this was raised in New Guinea, where it was found, that some mites were very dangerous to European bees while other didn't harm the families. An examination of mites from 32 different places in the world shows that there exists 5-6 different Varroamites. They are of clearly different size, character of reproduction and in mihochondie DNA composition. It obviously shows that Varroa Jacobini keeps to its original host the Asiatic honey bee Apis cerana. Obviously it is only this sort that can harm beefamilies. Special the so known Korean type is found in Europe and USA, while the Japanese type is found in South America and in a few places in USA. It is only those two strains that have been able to infest the European bee, while the other lives on the Asiatic bee Apis cerana. This could explain that the South American bees are tolerant to the mites. Maybe the Japanese type is not that aggressive as the Korean type that we find on our (Danish) bees. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Read the article about use of oxalic and formic acid in the fight of the Varroa at the above URL now also as Adobe PDF format! Article 22345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: akheyfets@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it safe? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 16:50:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <82m27t$dfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 33.2.108.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 08 16:50:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 33.2.108.38 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDakheyfets Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22345 Hello, I'm not familiar with bees etc.,so please help. I've got a nest on my satellite dish. Is it safe to destroy it now? How? I'm in NE PA. Thanks. Alex. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Dec 1999 03:33:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991209223348.01224.00000277@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22373 >> it rubs the lotion on its skin before it sticks the stinger >in............ >> ooooooooooooooohh> Kevin Johnson, > >I guess this is an attempt at humour. >I'm sorry, the gest of the jest i from silence of the lambs Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: POT PLANTS FROM ITALY Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Dec 1999 03:39:00 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991209223900.01224.00000279@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22374 >Seems like all I used to get in high school in Asheville was generously >endowed with seeds... > home grown, to be sure !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!news.gnac.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991209223348.01224.00000277@ng-ft1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:04:04 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 944802279 209.90.4.232 (Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:04:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:04:39 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22375 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message > >> it rubs the lotion on its skin before it sticks the stinger > >in............> >> ooooooooooooooohh> Kevin Johnson, > > > >I guess this is an attempt at humour. > >I'm sorry, the gest of the jest i > > from silence of the lambs> Kevin Johnson, Ohhhhhhhhh! I see. I guess. John Article 22376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!feed.centuryinter.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff Moore" Subject: Looking for two-frame extractor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf4310$8143b8a0$ae84ced1@w311415> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:05:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.206.132.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@centurytel.net X-Trace: feed.centuryinter.net 944831157 209.206.132.174 (Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:05:57 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:05:57 CST Organization: CenturyTel.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22376 I would like to buy a two-frame extractor that is hand powered. Please e-mail if you have information. J. Moore Duncan@centurytel.net Article 22377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax recipes Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <82k342$cb6$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <#kyqmzbQ$GA.299@cpmsnbbsa05> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:02:59 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.250.141 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 944842070 38.31.250.141 (Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:07:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:07:50 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22377 Rgds Dave Bates informed the assembled: >I am still getting used to this news group stuff so bear with me. See here Bates, your MS Word document contains some strange encoding unreadable on my end. Why not repost your recipes in a text message, meaning in computer lingo a file that has the extension, .txt then we can all read it without knowing what bizarre encoding you used or have to have MS word or wordpad to read it. C.K. Article 22378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news-x.support.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Bee Trials \\ Tim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: two Queen One hive Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:01:26 +0000 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net> Reply-To: the.dr@tesco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.68.204 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22378 Hi Just an enquiry realy,has anybody tried this method, i have read that the bees are very happy working in this situation as there is twice the pheromone in the hive thereby reducing stress. it also means that technicaly there would be at least twice the yield in a season. Any info on setting up and running this outfit would be greatly appreciated also some info from any of you chaps that have tried (if any).thanks for your time. regards.. TIM..U.K -- Remember: Above all BEE happy http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm (Just another bee page) Article 22379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two Queen One hive Message-ID: <38515fba.280394296@news.usenetserver.com> References: <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 35 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:21:55 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:21:35 GMT Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news.itconsult.net!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22379 Any of Pellet's books discribe this system .. he used this to make increases as well. He would fill the bottom brood box with empty drawn comb and the queen put on a queen excluder, then above that a full honey super and then above that the second queens brood box ( its into this box that he would have move all the lower boxes young brood and a ready to emerge queen cell). He had an 1" circular opening in this top box. The cell would hatch .. the virgin mate and begin to build the hive at twice the going rate. Dave On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:01:26 +0000, Bee Trials \\ Tim wrote: >Hi >Just an enquiry realy,has anybody tried this method, i have read that >the bees are very happy working in this situation as there is twice the >pheromone in the hive thereby reducing stress. it also means that >technicaly there would be at least twice the yield in a season. Any info >on setting up and running this outfit would be greatly appreciated also >some info from any of you chaps that have tried (if any).thanks for your >time. > >regards.. > >TIM..U.K >-- >Remember: Above all BEE happy > >http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm > >(Just another bee page) Article 22380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two Queen One hive Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Dec 1999 23:00:45 GMT References: <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991210180045.23925.00000241@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22380 In article <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net>, Bee Trials \\ Tim writes: > >Just an enquiry realy,has anybody tried this method, i have read that >the bees are very happy working in this situation as there is twice the >pheromone in the hive thereby reducing stress. it also means that >technicaly there would be at least twice the yield in a season. Any info >on setting up and running this outfit would be greatly appreciated also >some info from any of you chaps that have tried (if any).thanks for your >time. > I ran two queen hives, very similar to the USDA handbook method, in Calif and Mississippi. If you have a long building up period, and a late flow, it is worth it. It is a good way to requeen too. I found that I got an increased PER HIVE average this way, and it was worth the labour in Mississippi, but not in the area of California (Salinas) I was in. I expect in more Northern Areas, it would be economical. Sometimes the Honey yields causes strong desire for a boom loader. I used double screens, with an upper entrance, and then combined just at the start of honeyflow. lessons learned: Make sure hives are level and well mounted to the level hivestands. Keep good stock. A helper during the examinations is desirable, as you move a lot of hive bodies. Destroy or burn all flimsy woodenware that will be used for brood bodies. I went to one size, the 7 5/8 bodies for all woodenware. If your spring-early summer build up flows are erratic, a portable robber screen enclosure is very useful. Wear back saver harness', available at safety stores, or building supply stores. Article 22381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two Queen One hive Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Dec 1999 00:34:10 GMT References: <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991210193410.00822.00000110@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22381 In article <38515C16.D8F20031@tesco.net>, Bee Trials \\ Tim writes: > >Just an enquiry realy,has anybody tried this method, i have read that >the bees are very happy working in this situation as there is twice the >pheromone in the hive thereby reducing stress. it also means that >technicaly there would be at least twice the yield in a season. Any info >on setting up and running this outfit would be greatly appreciated also >some info from any of you chaps that have tried (if any).thanks for your >time. > I ran two queen hives, very similar to the USDA handbook method, in Calif and Mississippi. If you have a long building up period, and a late flow, it is worth it. It is a good way to requeen too. I found that I got an increased PER HIVE average this way, and it was worth the labour in Mississippi, but not in the area of California (Salinas) I was in. I expect in more Northern Areas, it would be economical. Sometimes the Honey yields causes strong desire for a boom loader. I used double screens, with an upper entrance, and then combined just at the start of honeyflow. lessons learned: Make sure hives are level and well mounted to the level hivestands. Keep good stock. A helper during the examinations is desirable, as you move a lot of hive bodies. Destroy or burn all flimsy woodenware that will be used for brood bodies. I went to one size, the 7 5/8 bodies for all woodenware. If your spring-early summer build up flows are erratic, a portable robber screen enclosure is very useful. Wear back saver harness', available at safety stores, or building supply stores. Article 22382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "paolox" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agricult Subject: I MEANT "POTTED" Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:49:25 +0100 Organization: TIN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <82s74l$112$1@nslave1.tin.it> Reply-To: "paolox" NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.216.106.48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4031 alt.agriculture.beef:2045 alt.agriculture.commodities:466 alt.agriculture.fruit:9698 alt.agriculture.misc:11615 alt.agriculture.technology:467 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23061 sci.agriculture:38714 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22382 Previous message has been misanderstood by someone.. sorry , we don't have that kind of "pot plants".. I'm sure we'll sell them well if we did! but it could be a little dangerous.. excuse my poor english! ODDONE FLORICOLTURA http://web.tiscalinet.it/oddone Article 22383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon1.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Kellen Subject: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Lines: 38 Bytes: 1306 X-Originating-Host: 209.179.121.45 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eGRBaWhxNnw3N3F+YCx0TXdkcGQvYyt/ITo7PiMhKn0lM3Y0JHAk Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:28:56 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 944949023 10.0.2.50 (Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:50:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:50:23 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22383 Hello, I am very interested in taking up beekeeping. I have a small orchard, a huge garden, a big pumpkin patch, a berry patch, and a wildflower area. I would like to add bees for both honey and pollination help. I have no supplies or bees as I am just interested to know what is involved in beekeeping and if it is worth it to me. I would really like to find someone who is knowledgeable in beekeeping who lives around Topeka, KS. Myself, I live in Hoyt, KS not far from there. Among things I would like to know: -What kinds of honey bees should be used? -Are wild honey bees worth using? -What kinds of issues are present in an Kansas Climate? -Where can I find bees locally? -How much would it cost to start 2 hives? -Any other important info I should be aware of? Please post reply here. Thanks, Kellen Weissenbach White Brook Farm Hoyt, KS ******************************************************* Get paid to surf the web! Make money doing something you enjoy. It's easy, fun and profitable! Go to: http://www1.50megs.com/cashtime ******************************************************* * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: December 11th Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:51:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <82ujd2$9s5$8@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22384 It December 11th, the bees are flying, I saw wild daiseys and turnips in bloom! If it keeps this up the maples will be blooming in a few weeks. A little winter (very little) would be nice. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!raven.korax.net!paul Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Paul S. Hetrick" Subject: Top Bar Hives? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:37:56 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.94.178.7 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 944959086 216.94.178.7 (Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:38:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:38:06 EST Organization: UUNET Canada News Reader Service Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22385 I'm planning on setting up a couple hives next spring. I was working on an order for everything I'd need toset up a couple conventional Langs when somebody reminded me about top bar hives. Since the only important dimention in a TBH is the width of the bar, I could use wooden boxes I already have and make the bars from scrap wood. That would mean my hives would almost be free. That sounds a heck of a lot better to me than what I was looking at. I read what I could find on the web. I can easily do with less honey and more wax per hive. Is there any other trade-offs? Are they just as easy to treat for mites and other problems? Since there isn't a queen excluder, do you wind up with mixed honey and brood combs? Thanks. Article 22386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Simon Clark Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How To Become a Successful Beekeeper Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:38:20 GMT Organization: International Rescue -- F. A. B. THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO! Lines: 18 Message-ID: <82uuac$h21$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 148.88.17.28 X-S00PER-SEKRIT-MESSAGE: I LIKE BEES!!! X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Dec 12 01:38:20 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 wwwcache0.lancs.ac.uk:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 10.38.224.147, 148.88.17.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDclarksj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.religion.kibology:226859 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22386 Step 1 : Get yourself some bees. Step 2 : Keep them. Congratulations you are now a beekeeper. But remember: DO NOT LOSE YOUR BEES or you will be a bad beekeeper and beekeepers everywhere will shun you! Happy beekeeping, -- Simon Clark - Urban Crime-Fighter http://www.lancs.ac.uk/postgrad/clarksj/kibology/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad"@visi.net(thoms honeybees)> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th References: <82ujd2$9s5$8@news1.Radix.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:52:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp22.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:52:18 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22387 Yup. The wife reports clover blooming on the school campus and goldenrod has returned blooming. My roses bloomed and I think I need to check the maples. My nukes are obviously doing fine. Hives are bringing in pollen. I watch the young adults take orientation flights. We do need some cold to set the bulbs dormant or we won't get tulips in the spring. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA honeybs wrote: > > It December 11th, the bees are flying, I saw wild daiseys > and turnips in bloom! If it keeps this up the maples will > be blooming in a few weeks. A little winter (very little) > would be nice. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > Article 22388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: sanford@monmouth.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:31:24 -0500 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3853170C.BF9@monmouth.com> References: Reply-To: sanford@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sl-tc-ppp381.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22388 Paul S. Hetrick wrote: Is there any other trade-offs? Are they > just as easy to treat for mites and other problems? Since there isn't > a queen excluder, do you wind up with mixed honey and brood combs? > > Thanks. This being my first year I can't say difinitively that you always get mixed honey and brood but so far that has been my experience. The ladies drew out 16 full (top to bottom, side to side) bars of comb and 7 more partial combs in a 26 bar box. The box is 19" wide and 18" deep. I made it to match the Lang brood box measure on the adivce of another tbh beekeeper and was able to start the hive with a 5 frame lang nuc and rotate the frames out through the season. The box is now all tb's. Having brood in the honey is not a problem if the queen is laying a reasonable pattern. Just cut the honey chunks off and leave the brood which will most likely be in the center. Yes, they are just as treatable. However, since you don't have a 'bottom board' per se it would be good to make the bottom of your box either hinged or removable for occaisional scraping. This I found out this fall as I was trying to be sure there would be good enough ventilation--I made my second box to have a screen bottom with a board that can be slid out or opened partially for extra air or for varroa mite counts, etc. For me, they are great. I can't afford a new Lang set up but I had available wood and workers and a great time designing and planning and researching to build my own! I'm still having fun and the ladies don't seem to mind that their house is different from their neighbors ;-) Shari Article 22389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb os desea Feliz Navidad Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:34:18 +0100 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.72.194 Message-ID: <3853c84d$1@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 12 Dec 1999 17:07:41 +0100, 195.5.72.194 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!news.arrakis.es!195.5.72.194 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22389 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi Os desea una Feliz Navidad y un muy Prospero Año 2000 Article 22390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: ecotao Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee & flower Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:14:18 +0200 Organization: Holism Projects Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3853C9DA.AEDE2BE5@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.31.97.96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nnrp01.ops.uunet.co.za 945015273 91238 196.31.97.96 (12 Dec 1999 16:14:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iafrica.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 1999 16:14:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22390 Ever wondered how the bee and flower association evolved? See the online book, Nature's Holism to see how such associations arise. Laurence http://members.xoom.com/ecotao/index.htm Article 22391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail From: "Gilbert Deketele" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa treatment by cold temperatures Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:44 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.123.30.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 945028142 212.123.30.41 (Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:02 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:02 MET Organization: Pandora-- Met vlotte tred op Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22391 Which methods (chemical or alternative) can be used in the spring. Temperatures about 10°C (50°F) Gilbert Deketele kobbe@pandora.be Article 22392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Lines: 65 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:23:07 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 945029867 209.69.69.102 (Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:17:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:17:47 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22392 I like my TBH- but it does require a bit of extra work. You need to inspect regularly and keep the side attachments to a minimum. Be careful in cold weather- the combs are very brittle and will break easily. The first spring inspection is especially tricky. My hive is also Langstroth size based. When the combs are drawn out into full rectangles, they require very careful handling. A smaller comb would be easier to handle, and might make it easier for the bees to move from comb to comb in winter. My bees survived last winter, with a little help- I'm waiting to see if they make it again this year. I don't have problems with brood in the honey- I take a full comb of honey from the back of the hive, and place it where I want the end of the brood nest to bee- the queen does not cross it. I do have to be sure that the bees have enough space in the brood nest, and I expand it by inserting empty bars into the brood area when needed. (This may be due to a trait of some bees to keep a compact brood nest. The bees in my TBH are mixed Italian/ carniolan mongrels.) My bees do a really good job of keeping the floor clean- but I do like the Idea of a hinged/ screened bottom board for mite control. Some of this may depend on the hygienic/ housecleaning traits of the particular bees. I medicate with apistan as usual- stick them right in between the bars. (I mark those combs that are in when apistan is used and don't harvest them ever, except to rotate out or melt down- red thumb tacks mark treated combs.) I feed syrup when needed using a frame sized plastic feeder designed for langstroths. A boardman feeder or two placed at the back of the hive beyond the combs works too. I have yet to find a satisfactory way to get grease patties to be taken. The best I have found involves smearing the grease patties in a stripe under the top bars along the top of several combs. My TBH has not been medicated with terramycin in over a year, even tho I treat my langstroths twice each year. I watch for brood disease, and If I detect any, I will try feeding syrup, I guess. Harvesting can be a little tricky- there are always a few opportunistic bees that end up in the bucket. Crushing and straining worked fine this year, but I have a press I want to try next year. Ellen Anglin Michigan Paul S. Hetrick wrote in message news:Pine.BSF.4.05.9912111929360.17592-100000@raven.korax.net... > > I'm planning on setting up a couple hives next spring. I was working on > an order for everything I'd need toset up a couple conventional Langs > when somebody reminded me about top bar hives. > > Since the only important dimention in a TBH is the width of the bar, > I could use wooden boxes I already have and make the bars from scrap > wood. That would mean my hives would almost be free. That sounds > a heck of a lot better to me than what I was looking at. > > I read what I could find on the web. I can easily do with less honey > and more wax per hive. Is there any other trade-offs? Are they > just as easy to treat for mites and other problems? Since there isn't > a queen excluder, do you wind up with mixed honey and brood combs? > > Thanks. > Article 22393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:06:18 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 101 Message-ID: <385462AA.683DB8C2@midwest.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22393 My experience with a TBH has been favorable so far. I hived a swarm too late in the year for them to feed me, but they drew 10 bars of nice comb out of the 30 bars provided. Instead of building a rectangular box, I slanted the walls 60deg and have had virtually no comb attachment. What tiny bit of attachment there was could be released with a hacksaw blade slipped along the wall prior to removing the bar. The natural shape of the comb seems to distribute the weight of the brood/honey very well. It is still fragile but probably not as much so as a rectangular shape. The shape also seemes to fit perfectly in the angular compartment. My next TBH will probably have a hinged bottom board though, like Ellen, I've not noticed much of a mess down there. I am encouraged to hear that the honey barrier does work. From what I'd read, this was supposed to be enough to discourage the queen's laying in the honey comb but I was skeptical. For overwintering I've cut a 2" thick piece of styrofoam to create a wall to reduce the space and conserve heat. I'll be interested to see if they chew it up before Spring. I've received requests for comb honey so the TBH, if it produces next year, will fill the bill. I'm not likely to give up the Langstroth hives though. AL Ellen Anglin wrote: > > I like my TBH- but it does require a bit of extra work. > You need to inspect regularly and keep the side attachments to a minimum. > Be careful in cold weather- the combs are very brittle and will break > easily. The first spring inspection is especially tricky. My hive is also > Langstroth size based. When the combs are drawn out into full rectangles, > they require very careful handling. A smaller comb would be easier to > handle, and might make it easier for the bees to move from comb to comb in > winter. My bees survived last winter, with a little help- I'm waiting to > see if they make it again this year. > > I don't have problems with brood in the honey- I take a full comb of > honey from the back of the hive, and place it where I want the end of the > brood nest to bee- the queen does not cross it. I do have to be sure that > the bees have enough space in the brood nest, and I expand it by inserting > empty bars into the brood area when needed. (This may be due to a trait of > some bees to keep a compact brood nest. The bees in my TBH are mixed > Italian/ carniolan mongrels.) > > My bees do a really good job of keeping the floor clean- but I do like > the Idea of a hinged/ screened bottom board for mite control. Some of this > may depend on the hygienic/ housecleaning traits of the particular bees. > > I medicate with apistan as usual- stick them right in between the bars. > (I mark those combs that are in when apistan is used and don't harvest them > ever, except to rotate out or melt down- red thumb tacks mark treated > combs.) > > I feed syrup when needed using a frame sized plastic feeder designed > for langstroths. A boardman feeder or two placed at the back of the hive > beyond the combs works too. I have yet to find a satisfactory way to get > grease patties to be taken. The best I have found involves smearing the > grease patties in a stripe under the top bars along the top of several > combs. > > My TBH has not been medicated with terramycin in over a year, even tho I > treat my langstroths twice each year. I watch for brood disease, and If I > detect any, I will try feeding syrup, I guess. > Harvesting can be a little tricky- there are always a few opportunistic > bees that end up in the bucket. Crushing and straining worked fine this > year, but I have a press I want to try next year. > > Ellen Anglin > Michigan > > Paul S. Hetrick wrote in message > news:Pine.BSF.4.05.9912111929360.17592-100000@raven.korax.net... > > > > I'm planning on setting up a couple hives next spring. I was working on > > an order for everything I'd need toset up a couple conventional Langs > > when somebody reminded me about top bar hives. > > > > Since the only important dimention in a TBH is the width of the bar, > > I could use wooden boxes I already have and make the bars from scrap > > wood. That would mean my hives would almost be free. That sounds > > a heck of a lot better to me than what I was looking at. > > > > I read what I could find on the web. I can easily do with less honey > > and more wax per hive. Is there any other trade-offs? Are they > > just as easy to treat for mites and other problems? Since there isn't > > a queen excluder, do you wind up with mixed honey and brood combs? > > > > Thanks. > > Article 22394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-183-145-phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:51:03 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.b7.91 X-Server-Date: 13 Dec 1999 05:53:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22394 In article <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>, Kellen wrote: > Hello, > I am very interested in taking up beekeeping. I have a small orchard, > a huge garden, a big pumpkin patch, a berry patch, and a wildflower > area. I would like to add bees for both honey and pollination help. I > have no supplies or bees as I am just interested to know what is > involved in beekeeping and if it is worth it to me. I would really > like to find someone who is knowledgeable in beekeeping who lives > around Topeka, KS. Myself, I live in Hoyt, KS not far from there. > Among things I would like to know: > -What kinds of honey bees should be used? > -Are wild honey bees worth using? > -What kinds of issues are present in an Kansas Climate? > -Where can I find bees locally? > -How much would it cost to start 2 hives? > -Any other important info I should be aware of? > > Please post reply here. As a newbie, who posted questions similar to yours late last winter, I'll recommend a book... "First Lessons in Beekeeping" by Dadant & Sons You can find 'em on the web. Others here will have other titles, including, probably, "The Hive and the Honey Bee".. Good luck.. it's a fascinating and entertaining hobby... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-183-145-phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I MEANT "POTTED" Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:48:21 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <82s74l$112$1@nslave1.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.b7.91 X-Server-Date: 13 Dec 1999 05:51:06 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22395 In article <82s74l$112$1@nslave1.tin.it>, "paolox" wrote: > Previous message has been misanderstood by someone.. > sorry , we don't have that kind of "pot plants".. > I'm sure we'll sell them well if we did! > but it could be a little dangerous.. > excuse my poor english! > > ODDONE FLORICOLTURA > > http://web.tiscalinet.it/oddone Yeah... we tried THAT excuse back in High School too! "I SWEAR, Mama... it was a POTTED plant!" LMAO! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for local honey Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:03:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. 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Smart II" Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DCFDBC7FF7987CD30CB8E27D" Message-ID: <385505A5.6D1CC4CE@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division References: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:41:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 193 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22398 --------------DCFDBC7FF7987CD30CB8E27D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kellen wrote: > Hello, > I am very interested in taking up beekeeping. I have a small orchard, > around Topeka, KS. Myself, I live in Hoyt, KS not far from there. Well hello Kellen. I am a newbee located in South Central Kansas (Udall). Don't have any colonies yet - plan to start my first this Spring. I have been lurking on this group for the better part of two years now and I have posted several times for a mentor in my area and have had very little luck. I don't know how many responses you have recieved but I would suspect not too many from the Topeka area? In my own searches I find that there are a lot of beekeepers up in the KC area. Pretty active beekeeping association up in that part of the state. Go to any web search engine and do a search on "beekeeping Kansas" and you should find several hits from these folks although I'm sure you are probably looking for someone closer. I don't think it is that there aren't that many beekeepers in Kansas, it is just that here aren't many WIRED beekeepers in Kansas! You should call your local agriculture extension office and ask them for any info they have revelant to beekeeping - including the names of beekeepers in the area. You may also look in your local yellow pages for beekeeping stuff like supplies, honey, or exterminators. Any of these folks should be able to tell you if they know someone locally. Now about those questions: > Among things I would like to know: > -What kinds of honey bees should be used? Most people that I have talked to in my area use the "buckfast" strain and they order them from Weaver Apiaries out of Navosta, TX. If you think you might be ready to start this Spring, you might want to consider ordering a package sometime before the end of January. The web site is: www.rweaver.com. > -Are wild honey bees worth using? I think they are but I am told that feral(wild) honeybee colonies are virtually extinct in our state. The varroa have wiped them out. Any honeybees you see buzzing around probably belongs to somebody. I have a couple bait hives that I plan on putting out this spring - one never knows - if I catch anything it will probably be a swarm from someone elses' kept hives. If I ever do catch a feral colony I will be very interested in them because they would likely be resistant to varroa. > -What kinds of issues are present in an Kansas Climate? From what I have gathered so far, we are in a "happy medium" here in Kansas. Our winters aren't as severe as in the Northern states so you won't have to worry about moving hives indoors or wrapping them during the winter months. The only concern in winter here is to keep the hives sheltered from the wind. Our summers peak around the 100-105 degree range for about a month. The bees will need plenty of water during this time. So locate you colonies were they are out of the wind and have plenty of water available. > -Where can I find bees locally? I don't know of any commercial growers located in this state. Most bee growers are located in the Southern regions of the U.S. That is not to say that you can't get a nucleus colony from a friendly, local beekeeper. > -How much would it cost to start 2 hives? I wouldn't think more than $500. > -Any other important info I should be aware of? Oh yea. Lots. Read, read, read. You should get "The Hive and the Honey Bee" and read the sections on beeginning beekeeping, especially installing package hives. I have found reading about beekeeping to be very enjoyable winter reading. > > > Please post reply here. > > Thanks, > Kellen Weissenbach > White Brook Farm > Hoyt, KS > It is good to see yet another newbee Kansas beekeeper on this group. Welcome aboard! -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ --------------DCFDBC7FF7987CD30CB8E27D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kellen wrote:
Hello,
I am very interested in taking up beekeeping.  I have a small orchard,

around  Topeka, KS.  Myself, I live in Hoyt, KS not far from there.

Well hello Kellen. I am a newbee located in South Central Kansas (Udall). Don't have any colonies yet - plan to start my first this Spring. I have been lurking on this group for the better part of two years now and I have posted several times for a mentor in my area and have had very little luck. I don't know how many responses you have recieved but I would suspect not too many from the Topeka area? In my own searches I find that there are a lot of beekeepers up in the KC area. Pretty active beekeeping association up in that part of the state. Go to any web search engine and do a search on "beekeeping Kansas" and you should find several hits from these folks although I'm sure you are probably looking for someone closer. I don't think it is that there aren't that many beekeepers in Kansas, it is just that here aren't many WIRED beekeepers in Kansas! You should call your local agriculture extension office and ask them for any info they have revelant to beekeeping - including the names of beekeepers in the area.  You may also look in your local yellow pages for beekeeping stuff like supplies, honey, or exterminators. Any of these folks should be able to tell you if they know someone locally. Now about those questions:

Among things I  would  like to know:
-What  kinds of honey bees should be used?

Most people that I have talked to in my area use the "buckfast" strain and they order them from Weaver Apiaries out of  Navosta, TX. If you think you might be ready to start this Spring, you might want to consider ordering a package sometime before the end of January. The web site is:     www.rweaver.com.

-Are wild  honey  bees worth   using?

I think they are but I am told that feral(wild) honeybee colonies are virtually extinct in our state. The varroa have wiped them out. Any honeybees you see buzzing around probably belongs to somebody. I have a couple bait hives that I plan on putting out this spring - one never knows - if I catch anything it will probably be a swarm from someone elses' kept hives. If I ever do catch a feral colony I will be very interested in them because they would likely be resistant to varroa.

-What  kinds of issues are present in an Kansas Climate?

From what I have gathered so far, we are in a "happy medium" here in Kansas. Our winters aren't as severe as in the Northern states so you won't have to worry about moving hives indoors or wrapping them during the winter months. The only concern in winter here is to keep the hives sheltered from the wind. Our summers peak around the 100-105 degree range for about a month. The bees will need plenty of water during this time. So locate you colonies were they are out of the wind and have plenty of water available.

-Where can I find bees locally?

I don't know of any commercial growers located in this state. Most bee growers are located in the Southern regions of the U.S. That is not to say that you can't get a nucleus colony from a friendly, local beekeeper.

-How much would  it cost to start 2 hives?

I wouldn't think more than $500.

-Any other important info I should be  aware of?

Oh yea. Lots. Read, read, read. You should get "The Hive and the Honey Bee" and read the sections on beeginning beekeeping, especially installing package hives. I have found reading about beekeeping to be very enjoyable winter reading.
 

Please post reply here.

Thanks,
Kellen Weissenbach
White Brook Farm
Hoyt, KS
 

 It is good to see yet another newbee Kansas beekeeper on this group. Welcome aboard! 
-- 
Billy Y. Smart II
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  --------------DCFDBC7FF7987CD30CB8E27D-- Article 22399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: SV: Varroa treatment by cold temperatures Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.170.193 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 945107308 212.151.170.193 (Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:48:28 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:48:28 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-170-193.swipnet.se Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:48:16 +0100 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22399 Which methods to use depends on: how many hives, any brood, drones? Anyway, you shouldn't disturb them too early... Doris Gilbert Deketele skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:O_S44.1782$68.14464@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > Which methods (chemical or alternative) can be used in the spring. > Temperatures about 10°C (50°F) > > Gilbert Deketele > kobbe@pandora.be > > > Article 22400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Dec 1999 11:34:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991213063402.26866.00000345@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22400 In article <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com>, Kellen wrote: > Hello, > I am very interested in taking up beekeeping. I have a small orchard, > a huge garden, a big pumpkin patch, a berry patch, and a wildflower > area. .......I would like to add bees for both honey and pollination help. I > have no supplies or bees as I am just interested to know what is > involved in beekeeping and if it is worth it to me. I would really > like to find someone who is knowledgeable in beekeeping who lives > around Topeka, KS. Myself, I live in Hoyt, KS not far from there. Yes, it is worth it for the pure joy of keeping bees as well as increased yield from your crops. Sounds like any bee would be happy at your place. > Among things I would like to know:< 1. > -What kinds of honey bees should be used?< Ask a local beekeeper. You can find one through state or county agricultural agencies, the internet, or look for honey at roadside stands or flea markets. 2.> -Are wild honey bees worth using? Sure, but you would have to be extremely lucky to find any. The mites have just about wiped them all out. 3.> -What kinds of issues are present in an Kansas Climate? See answer to #1 4.> -Where can I find bees locally? See answer to #1 5.> -How much would it cost to start 2 hives? Probably $200 or $300. Less if you can get a lot of help and support from a local beekeeper. 6.> -Any other important info I should be aware of? Do a lot of research on the internet. Find your local or state beekeepers association and talk to as many nearby beekeepers as you can. Take in all the information available and then do what YOU think is best for YOUR bees. Have the utmost love and respect for your bees and help them help you. Sibcerely, Herb Article 22401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee candy Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:45:24 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8340bg$150$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h4-78.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 945128624 1184 208.220.141.78 (13 Dec 1999 23:43:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 1999 23:43:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22401 I would like to know How much sugar to water to make bee candy , and how much vinegar to put in it please. preacher Article 22402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!hygrade.bluemarble.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <385594F4.95FE18C4@earthlink.net> From: Scotty99 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question References: <19991208095633.22399.00000036@ng-fd1.aol.com> <19991208163103.23050.00000109@ng-fb1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Trace: /wLwTfGqyeASzNFBNLw7YEaenr/JXwSuJInZGfPltTfmx6HN7HrZDSg/q9bgXCZ2M/zjDAyx0hFQ!joRQcDyWafL9cKRCoOZDjAFaF0Cat5SfznitX9k57senOJdg7Wqgxuz2mw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:52:51 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:52:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22402 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > method of > >>rubbing the skin before makes sense and I will try that. > > > > it rubs the lotion on its skin before it sticks the stinger in............ > > ooooooooooooooohh > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC The drones, tell me about the drones Clarice. Scotty99 Article 22403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Dec 1999 01:53:07 GMT References: <385594F4.95FE18C4@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991213205307.14175.00000575@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22403 >The drones, tell me about the drones Clarice. > > they buzzed, they buzzed, oh god how they buzzed.......... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: sd20@earthlink.net (Del Stanton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: national geographic Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:52:21 GMT References: <80sq2r$7n6$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <19991118164537.01916.00000331@ngol02.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: 14 Dec 1999 01:52:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Dec 13 17:55:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 56 Reply-To: sd20@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool0605.cvx28-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <3855a22b.1490204@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22404 The book is available go to http://www.bibliofind.com/ Withing seconds I found: Valli, Eric and Diane Summers: Honey Hunters of Nepal ; New York: Harry N. Abrams, Inc., 1988. Stiff Wraps, Very Good/Pictorial Boards, Folio - over 12" - 15" tall, Art Art (UR#:007008) Offered for sale by Mr. Good Books at US$60.00 A great place to find used and out of print book. I works with hundreds of small bookstores all ove the country. Del Stanton sd20@earthlink.net On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:20:16 -0800, "Ellen Anglin" wrote: >Try http://whipper.abebooks.com/abep/il.dll > or http://www.bookfinder.com/ >These are my favorite used bookseller search engines, and one of their >affiliated booksellers almost always has a copy of whatever I am looking >for... Not always at a price I can affored, But that is life.... > >Ellen > > > >Jajwuth wrote in message >news:19991118164537.01916.00000331@ngol02.aol.com... >> In article <80sq2r$7n6$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Keith Lacy" >> writes: >> >> >I have a beautiful A3 size soft back book published by Thames & Hudson of >30 >> >Bloomsbury Street, London WC1B 3QP called Honey Hunters of Nepal by Eric >> >Valli and Diane Summers, full of the most amazing pictures. But it was >> >published in 1988 after an earlier expedition and could now be out of >print. >> > >> >Keith Lacy >> >> Yes it is out of print. >> I believe the author won a prize for the pictures. >> I saw it once at a remainder book sale and am kicking myself for not >buying it. >> My library doesn't even have it. >> I think the photographer could easily sell prints of the pictures. >> >> thanks >> Al >> > > Article 22405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: sd20@earthlink.net (Del Stanton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Hunters of Nepal by Valli, Eric and Diane Summers Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:53:19 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Dec 13 17:55:08 1999 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool0605.cvx28-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net Reply-To: sd20@earthlink.net X-ELN-Date: 14 Dec 1999 01:53:04 GMT Message-ID: <3855a2d8.1663443@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22405 The book is available go to http://www.bibliofind.com/ Within seconds I found: Valli, Eric and Diane Summers: Honey Hunters of Nepal ; New York: Harry N. Abrams, Inc., 1988. Stiff Wraps, Very Good/Pictorial Boards, Folio - over 12" - 15" tall, Art Art (UR#:007008) Offered for sale by Mr. Good Books at US$60.00 A great place to find used and out of print book. I works with hundreds of small bookstores all ove the country. Del Stanton sd20@earthlink.net Article 22406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ...what is an ether roll? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:04:18 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38559792.481@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.6e.e7.c8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 Dec 1999 01:05:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22406 I was reading the American Bee Journal (Dec. issue) and mention was made of using an "ether roll" for counting the number of varroa in the hive. What exactly is an ether roll? Where does one purchase it? Thanks. Vivian Article 22407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ken & Margaret Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:19:00 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bf45e2$50f62fa0$8310ebd0@home> References: <19991213063402.26866.00000345@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22407 > > Hello, > > I am very interested in taking up beekeeping. I have a small orchard, > > a huge garden, a big pumpkin patch, a berry patch, and a wildflower > > area. .......I would like to add bees for both honey and pollination help. Give Cecil or Joli a call at MID-CON in Olathe Ks. This is a very nice couple and very in the know on bees. You can reach them at 1-800-547-1392 If you talk to them tell them Ken Lawrence said Hello. KEN Article 22408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!WCG.MISMATCH!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:24:44 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3855C68C.FBBB079E@netnitco.net> References: <82ujd2$9s5$8@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-hyper-1-78.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 945145971 22158 216.176.149.78 (14 Dec 1999 04:32:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 1999 04:32:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22408 Is this winter unusually short for you guys this year? It's hard to believe that you've got flowers in bloom and it's not even Christmas yet. We're not that luck in Indiana. Would you like to trade me spots? Chad Thom Bradley wrote: > Yup. The wife reports clover blooming on the school campus and goldenrod > has returned blooming. My roses bloomed and I think I need to check the > maples. > My nukes are obviously doing fine. > Hives are bringing in pollen. > I watch the young adults take orientation flights. > We do need some cold to set the bulbs dormant or we won't get tulips in > the spring. > > Thom Bradley > Chesapeake, VA > > > honeybs wrote: > > > > It December 11th, the bees are flying, I saw wild daiseys > > and turnips in bloom! If it keeps this up the maples will > > be blooming in a few weeks. A little winter (very little) > > would be nice. > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > Article 22409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Ed Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Beekeeping Workshop Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:06:16 -0500 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Dec 13 21:05:07 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Organization: The Mabesoone Family Apiary X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust3.tnt3.weekiwachee-springs.fl.da.uu.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-ELN-Date: 14 Dec 1999 05:04:16 GMT Message-ID: <834j4g$q8g$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22409 The Hernando County Beekeepers Association in conjunction with the Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service will be offering a one day Beekeeping Workshop for beginning beekeepers on March 4, 2000. The cost of the workshop is $25.00. Participants will receive a copy of "First Lessons in Beekeeping" and lunch will be provided. Speakers will include Dr. M.T. (Tom) Sanford, Extension Beekeeping Specialist from the University of Florida - Laurence Cutts Assistant Chief Apiary Inspector and James Alderman Bee Inspector The workshop will be held at the Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Office in Brooksville Florida For more information about registration contact: Ed Mabesoone e-mail apism@earthlink.net Tel (352) 596-6263 after 7:00 PM Karen Tuttle e-mail merryhillfarm@juno.com Tel (352) 796-0123 after 7:00 PM Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Tel (352) 754 4433 8-5 Monday through Friday Ed Mabesoone The Mabesoone Family Apiary Ed Mabesoone's Beekeeping Video's http://www.robmerco.com/tmfa.htm Article 22410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Real Name Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:26:29 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 88 Message-ID: References: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> <19991205184518.21517.00000605@ng-ce1.aol.com> <82hakf$vq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22410 Hi, Here's my amature two-bits worth . The winters here in the Pacific Northwest, are mild, but damp, to wet . My farst attempt a bees, lived, till I caused them to ball the queen, but the inside of the hive, at the bottom was non-stop mildew . This year, I left a 1" opening on an upside-down bottom board, and put an inner cover under that . Hopefully, there'll be enough airflow to discourage dampness/mildew, but not enough to harm the bees . I gotta remember to get out there, to check them . - - - - - - - - - - - - My theory about not painting my hives, because they're in an open shed, was a loser . They look like heck, already . As soon as practical, I'll change out the bare wood supers, and replace them with painted ones . - - - - - - - - - - - - The two queen theory was also a loser . It just never happened . And, the queen excluders did no better than to trap a number of foragers halfway through, and the housebees were busy feeding them in their misfortune . I still have hopes to learn this technique, but it's not as easy as it might seem . - - - - - - - - - - - - So far, no wax moths, but my neighbor has had problems, so I guess they just haven't located me yet . Ken . On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:42:40 GMT, beeman9334@my-deja.com wrote: >I rather suspect there is a lot going on in the winter that very little >is "known" about. The primary reason is I strongly suspect is that the >research is so difficult. I was shown this weekend three sites for >over wintering bees. One of these sites was against all "rules" yet I >was assured by a very competent bee farmer that this was a good site. I >am left wondering what the bees really need to winter successfully and >what is legend.Is there an agreement on this? Probably not as my >climate >is different to yours (maritime)but what do the bees need? >Seasons greetings to all the group, >Pete Watt. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 22411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...what is an ether roll? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 05:47:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <834lks$f4s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38559792.481@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 14 05:47:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.101 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22411 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > What exactly is an ether roll? > > Thanks. Vivian ***************************************** Howdy Vivian -- The only thing you purchase is a spray can of automobile starter in a spray can. Shake 50-100 bees in a pint fruit jar and spray the starter spray into the jar for about a full second. Shake fairly vigorously for about a minute. As you roll the jar the mites stick to the wall of the jar and can be easily seen. This give a rough estimate of the mite population. Be sure you don't shake queen mother into the jar -- or she's a goner. Watch the posts on this forum for other indicators of the presence of mites, such as mite feces on the brood combs and young bees with missing or deformed wings. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38563790.5ECFEA90@zzclinic.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:26:56 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Dennis Crutchfield Subject: Re: bee candy References: <8340bg$150$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-70.clinic.net X-Trace: 14 Dec 1999 12:26:27 GMT, d-p2-70.clinic.net Lines: 30 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-70.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22412 Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > I would like to know How much sugar to water to make bee candy , and how > much vinegar to put in it please. > preacher 5 lbs sugar 1 pint water bring to boil and heat to 242-245F Pour onto greased cookie sheet to a depth of no more than 3/8 inch so fits under inverted inner cover- or on it if not inverted. Put it over the cluster or on the inner cover. I use about a quarter sheet per hive, but I also overwinter with well in excess of 100lbs of honey per hive. The candy is only for emergency food in case of a cold snap in the spring and the bees cannot get at the honey, but can get to the candy since it is right over them. The sugar slab is white and taken up well by the bees. I freeze excess and use it the next year with no problems. The recipe is similar to the one in Hive and Honey Bee as far as temperature is concerned, but does not use Cream of tartar. Never use Cream of Tartar. It does cause dysentary. You will probably not see the effects in warm climates in the spring with normal rapid buildup and the bees can fly and void, but it will slow them down, so why use it. My guess is vinegar is used for the same reason, to inver the sugar. I would not use it in bee candy. Bill T Bath, ME If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail From: Thom Bradley <"thombrad"@visi.net(thoms honeybees)> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th References: <82ujd2$9s5$8@news1.Radix.Net> <3855C68C.FBBB079E@netnitco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:08:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp03.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:08:31 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22413 Yeah, we are getting occasionally very warm days to 60's and 70. Normal temps for this time of year are mid 50's with occasional dip towards freezing at night. Our coldest month is early February and late January. We just haven't had as many cold nights and only 2 -3 hard frosts. That's the real clincher for the flowers here. In late february it will even get warm enough for flight and the bees get the maple flow. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Chad Howell wrote: > > Is this winter unusually short for you guys this year? It's hard to believe > that you've got flowers in bloom and it's not even Christmas yet. We're not > that luck in Indiana. Would you like to trade me spots? > Chad > > Thom Bradley wrote: > > > Yup. The wife reports clover blooming on the school campus and goldenrod > > has returned blooming. My roses bloomed and I think I need to check the > > maples. > > My nukes are obviously doing fine. > > Hives are bringing in pollen. > > I watch the young adults take orientation flights. > > We do need some cold to set the bulbs dormant or we won't get tulips in > > the spring. > > > > Thom Bradley > > Chesapeake, VA > > > > > > honeybs wrote: > > > > > > It December 11th, the bees are flying, I saw wild daiseys > > > and turnips in bloom! If it keeps this up the maples will > > > be blooming in a few weeks. A little winter (very little) > > > would be nice. > > > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > > > Article 22414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bee_keeper@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic Gel Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:31:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <835rdb$9m8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.4.231.14 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:31:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; MSN 2.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.4.231.14 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbee_keeper Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22414 Does anyone know of anyone selling Formic Gel Pads at this time? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:57:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991214145709.04441.00000811@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22415 > Yeah, we are getting occasionally very warm days to 60's and 70. Normal >t temps here have been overly warm with multiple hive deaths due to starvation I myself have lost 3 with others locally the number reaches 15. Quick feeding has turned the tide ,thank god. the bees are just not shifting into winter gear and until they do it's gonna be a race to see who holds out., The money to buy sugar or the continued profit of summer honey. If the two begin to = then I'll have to make some tough choices. Already have 3 double hives of drawn out frames stored/ frozen for very quick next season start up. Those full of pollen get frozen the empties get stored like super frames after freezing for a week of course. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hives in a Row? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:40:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.186.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 945207626 209.30.186.35 (Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:40:26 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:40:26 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22416 I'll be setting up an apiary in the spring, so I'm starting to think about building some hive stands. Naturally, I like the idea of neat, organized rows of hives. (That military thinking coming back!) I remember reading that drifting will be a problem with long rows of hives and a group of two would be OK. I seem to recall reading that three would be OK too, but I can't find where (if!) I saw that... -- Jim S Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 22417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in a Row? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Dec 1999 22:37:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991214173701.02943.00000910@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22417 Bees end up in the end hives when hives are in straight rows. If you insist on using a long row use it to your advantage. Put weaker hives on the ends and they will equalize. Be wary of moving hives around if there is flight but no flow. As for military thinking well you know about oxymorons. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:13:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <836lbj$pod$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19991214145709.04441.00000811@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22418 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >> Yeah, we are getting occasionally very warm days to 60's and 70. Normal >>t >temps here have been overly warm >with multiple hive deaths due to starvation >I myself have lost 3 with others locally the number reaches 15. >Quick feeding has turned the tide ,thank god. >the bees are just not shifting into winter >gear and until they do it's gonna be a race to see who holds out., The money to >buy sugar or the continued profit of summer honey. If the two begin to = then >I'll have to make some tough choices. Already have 3 double hives of drawn out >frames stored/ frozen for very quick next season start up. >Those full of pollen get frozen the empties get stored like super frames after >freezing for a week of course. That's where I have the advantage over the honey producers. A light hive gets shaken down and the bees sold. A new package in the spring. I look forward to the trip to Baxley GA every Easter with my daughter. I bring back packages for everybody else around and it pays for the trip. There is nothing like seeing spring a few weeks early. I don't care what anybody says - life as a beekeeper is good! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in a Row? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:07:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <836l0a$pod$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22419 "Jim S" wrote: >I'll be setting up an apiary in the spring, so I'm >starting to think about building some hive stands. >Naturally, I like the idea of neat, organized rows >of hives. (That military thinking coming back!) >I remember reading that drifting will be a problem >with long rows of hives and a group of two would >be OK. I seem to recall reading that three would >be OK too, but I can't find where (if!) I saw that... >-- >Jim S >Remove NOSPAM to reply. I keep all of my hives 4 to a stand. The stand is made from 2 landscape ties tied together with 2 pressure treated 2x4x 16" long. The 2x4s are predrilled and screwed to the landscape ties with 8 3" screws (4 in each end of the 2x4.) The stand is then set on 2 8" cinderblocks. Each stand costs around $12.00. That's $3.00 per hive but if you consider that the stand will last forever and how much longer the hives themselves will last, they more than pay for themselves. The hives are set two to each end and the bees have no problems with drifting. They are elevated above the ground allowing you to spray under them for weed control. I love them. Run an ad in the local newspaper in March saying "FREE HONEYBEES." Your phone will ring off the hook from all the local farmers. Spread your bees out - you won't have all your bees in one basket - and you will produce more honey per hive. Then long rows will not be a problem! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update/articles Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:18:47 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.24.105 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.24.105 Message-ID: <3856ea96_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 14 Dec 1999 20:10:46 -0500, 208.161.24.105 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!208.161.24.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22420 Greetings! We have updated the "Bee Articles"... Dec.issue (George Imirie) http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 22421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another season gone. Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:00:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38579EE6.9B46508E@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22421 Hi Everyone, Well we just had our first snow storm of the year here in south eastern Ontario. After I shovelled the drive way I found myself looking at the hives all quiet ( I thought I heard the rest of the beekeepers in the warmer climates snickering). My bees and I had a good year. We averaged 150 lbs per hive. With one hive doing almost 200 lbs. I have found the honey that I took off in July is still liquid while the honey I took off at the end of August has begun to crystallize on me. It didn't do that last year. I have to check back on my log and see when the golden rod and asters first bloom. My buckfast caused me problems this year for the first time. I had problems with meanness and sterility. Other hives built up an excessive amount of propolis. The Italians didn't seem to want to stop growing and as of November had a large population, while the BF did slow down as I expected. I think I'm going to switch back to the Carniolans. I had to beat them with the hive tool to keep them from swarming but other then that I have nothing but praise for them. Well I hope the rest of the beekeepers in the northern climates have had a good year as well. And for my friends in the southern climates I hope you will have a good season. Merry Christmas. Kent Article 22422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!marge.eaglequest.com!ord-feed.news.verio.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December 11th Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:48:50 -0600 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38581AD2.8CCC98C2@uiowa.edu> References: <19991214145709.04441.00000811@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22422 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > Yeah, we are getting occasionally very warm days to 60's and 70. Normal > >t > > temps here have been overly warm > with multiple hive deaths due to starvation > I myself have lost 3 with others locally the number reaches 15. > Quick feeding has turned the tide ,thank god. > > the bees are just not shifting into winter > gear and until they do it's gonna be a race to see who holds out., The money to > buy sugar or the continued profit of summer honey. > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I've been worried about the warmer than normal weather we are having here in Iowa. We have had temps 15-20F higher than normal. Our normal high should be around 36F. My bees have been flying up to about a week ago, getting a drink out of the stock tank. Saturday, December 11, I noticed a small dandelion blossom in the hay field. Hoping the bees don't run out of stores before spring! -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 22423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.nettuno.it!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!not-for-mail From: "az_agricoltura" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agricult Subject: A-z Agricoltura italiana Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:16:24 +0100 Organization: TIN Lines: 6 Message-ID: <83alcl$2nm$1@nslave2.tin.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.171.214.84 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:4063 alt.agriculture.beef:2079 alt.agriculture.commodities:474 alt.agriculture.fruit:9709 alt.agriculture.misc:11618 alt.agriculture.technology:474 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23080 sci.agriculture:39067 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22423 Portale verso il mondo dell'agricoltura italiana. www.geocities.com/az_agricoltura Article 22424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Auburn University Honey Bee Management Symposium Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:21:14 -0500 Lines: 166 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.30 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.30 Message-ID: <38590180_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 16 Dec 1999 10:13:04 -0500, 209.222.80.30 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22424 Greetings! Just letting other folks know about the Auburn University Honey Bee Management Symposium Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Auburn University Honey Bee Management Symposium Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Auburn University -- Lowder Business Building 415 West Magnolia Ave Auburn, Alabama Registration: $15.00 per person Sponsors: Alabama Extension System (Department of Entomology & Plant Pathology, Auburn University) State of Alabama, Dept. of Alabama & Industries, Plant Protection Section In cooperation with The Alabama State Beekeepers' Association Instructors •Mr. Bobby Fanning, President, Alabama State Beekeepers' Association, Huntsville, AL •Mr. John Grafton, Ohio Department of Agriculture, Apiculture Section, Reynoldsburg, OH •Mr. David Heilman, Apiculturist and Master Beekeeper, Entomology, The Ohio State University •Mr. Dwight Tew, President, Tennessee State Beekeepers' Association, Franklin, TN •Dr. James E. Tew, Entomology, The Ohio State University and Extension Consultant, Auburn University Symposium Topics •Small Hive Beetle •Commercial Pollination •New Bee Equipment Ideas •Bee Biology & Behavior •Getting Started in Beekeeping •Marketing Your Honey Locally Auburn Beekeeping Workshop Registration Form Pre-Registration Deadline: February 4, 2000 Name(s): Address: City: State: Zip: Telephone: ( ) Fax: E-Mail: Quantity Total Registration @ $15.00 per person Make check payable to: Auburn University Mail to: Ms. Sandy Pouncey, Dept. of Entomology, 301 Funchess Hall, Auburn University, AL 36849-5615; Telephone: (334) 844-2551; Fax: (334) 844-5005; E-mail: spouncey@acesag.auburn.edu Topic Tracks Track 1 topics are considered to be of interest to beekeepers having about 5 years or more of beekeeping experience. Track 2 topics are considered to be of interest to beekeepers having less than 5 years of experience or having no experience at all. However, participants may go to any session that they wish regardless of experience. Program 8:00 - 8:45 a.m. Registration 8:45 - 9:00 Welcome and Opening Remarks 9:00 -10:00 Keynote: The Small Hive Beetle in Alabama -- Should We Worry - Jim Tew 10:00 -10:30 Controlling Varroa -- What's Old and What's New - Dave Heilman 10:30 -10:45 Break 10:45 -11:30 American Foulbrood -- A Familiar Enemy - John Grafton 11:30 -12:00 New Bee Equipment Ideas -- What's Good & What's Bad - Dave Heilman 12:00 -1:00 p.m. Lunch (On Your Own) - (Open Hive Demonstration During Lunch*) 1:00 -2:00 Track 1 Getting Started in Beekeeping - Bobby Fanning Track 2 Commercial Pollination - It's Not Boring Any More - Jim Tew 2:00 -3:00 Track 1 Bee Biology and Behavior (Outdoor Demonstration*) - John Grafton Track 2 Developing a Local Market for Your Honey Crop - Dwight Tew 3:00 -3:15 Both Tracks: The Present State of Alabama Beekeeping - Jim Tew 3:15 Door Prizes, Evaluations, and Goodbye *Outdoor demonstrations are weather dependent. If weather prohibits, discussions will proceed indoors with visual aids rather than live bees. Bring your personal protective equipment for outdoor demonstrations. Dr. James E. Tew State Specialist, Beekeeping Department of Entomology The Ohio State University Wooster, OH 44691 (330)263-3684 Tew.1@osu.edu http://www2.oardc.ohio-state.edu/agnic/bee/ http://www2.oardc.ohio-state.edu/beelab/ -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 22425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive stands RE: hives in a row Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:31:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <83bkkc$1am$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22425 I got a few emails concerning the hive stands that I build so I put a picture on the web. A picture is worth a 1000 words. www.radix.net/~honeybs/hives.jpg No ads just a picture. If you like bee related toys try www.radix.net/~honeybs/bike1.jpg Note the bee skep sissy bar. You can't see the tail light but it is honeycomb and the grubs (clear leds) light up with bright red light! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Matteson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Florida : Are wild hogs a problem? Lines: 5 Organization: HogWild Ranch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.26.168.61 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 945404104 209.26.168.61 (Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:15:04 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:15:04 MST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:11:09 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22426 Check out this site. http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Slope/1733/ Article 22427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Message-ID: <945387904@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:23:52 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 7ed3af82 REPLY: 240:44/0 d38817c0 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg L> From: AL L> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping L> Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? L> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:06:18 -0600 L> Organization: Posted via Supernews, L> http://www.supernews.com Lines: 101 L> Message-ID: <385462AA.683DB8C2@midwest.net> L> References: L> ax.net> L> L> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com L> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) L> X-Accept-Language: en L> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9152 L> MIME-Version: 1.0 L> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii L> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit L> Path: L> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news L> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newsfeed.icl.net! L> newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQd L> Q!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-f L> or-mail X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 137 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 945412335 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22427 L> My experience with a TBH has been favorable so far. L> I hived a swarm too late in the year for them to L> feed me, but they drew 10 bars of nice comb out of L> the 30 bars provided. Instead of building a L> rectangular box, I slanted the walls 60deg and have L> had virtually no comb attachment. What tiny bit of L> attachment there was could be released with a L> hacksaw blade slipped along the wall prior to L> removing the bar. The natural shape of the comb L> seems to distribute the weight of the brood/honey L> very well. It is still fragile but probably not as L> much so as a rectangular shape. The shape also L> seemes to fit perfectly in the angular compartment. L> My next TBH will probably have a hinged bottom L> board though, like Ellen, I've not noticed much of L> a mess down there. L> I am encouraged to hear that the honey barrier does L> work. From what I'd read, this was supposed to be L> enough to discourage the queen's laying in the L> honey comb but I was skeptical. L> For overwintering I've cut a 2" thick piece of styrofoam to create a L> wall to reduce the space and conserve heat. I'll be L> interested to see if they chew it up before Spring. L> I've received requests for comb honey so the TBH, L> if it produces next year, will fill the bill. I'm L> not likely to give up the Langstroth hives though. L> AL L> Ellen Anglin wrote: >> >> I like my TBH- but it does require a bit of extra >> work. You need to inspect regularly and keep the >> side attachments to a minimum. Be careful in cold >> weather- the combs are very brittle and will break >> easily. The first spring inspection is especially >> tricky. My hive is also Langstroth size based. When >> the combs are drawn out into full rectangles, they >> require very careful handling. A smaller comb would >> be easier to handle, and might make it easier for >> the bees to move from comb to comb in winter. My >> bees survived last winter, with a little help- I'm >> waiting to see if they make it again this year. >> >> I don't have problems with brood in the honey- I take a full comb of >> honey from the back of the hive, and place it where >> I want the end of the brood nest to bee- the queen >> does not cross it. I do have to be sure that the >> bees have enough space in the brood nest, and I >> expand it by inserting empty bars into the brood >> area when needed. (This may be due to a trait of >> some bees to keep a compact brood nest. The bees in >> my TBH are mixed Italian/ carniolan mongrels.) >> >> My bees do a really good job of keeping the floor clean- but I do like >> the Idea of a hinged/ screened bottom board for mite control. Some of this >> may depend on the hygienic/ housecleaning traits of >> the particular bees. >> I medicate with apistan as usual- stick them right in between the bars. >> (I mark those combs that are in when apistan is used >> and don't harvest them ever, except to rotate out or >> melt down- red thumb tacks mark treated combs.) >> >> I feed syrup when needed using a frame sized plastic feeder designed >> for langstroths. A boardman feeder or two placed at >> the back of the hive beyond the combs works too. I >> have yet to find a satisfactory way to get grease >> patties to be taken. The best I have found involves >> smearing the grease patties in a stripe under the >> top bars along the top of several combs. >> >> My TBH has not been medicated with terramycin in >> over a year, even tho I >> treat my langstroths twice each year. I watch for >> brood disease, and If I detect any, I will try >> feeding syrup, I guess. >> Harvesting can be a little tricky- there are always a few opportunistic >> bees that end up in the bucket. Crushing and >> straining worked fine this year, but I have a press >> I want to try next year. >> >> Ellen Anglin >> Michigan >> >> Paul S. Hetrick wrote in message >> >> news:Pine.BSF.4.05.9912111929360.17592-100000@raven. >> korax.net... >> > >> > I'm planning on setting up a couple hives next >> > spring. I was working on an order for everything >> > I'd need toset up a couple conventional Langs when >> > somebody reminded me about top bar hives. >> > >> > Since the only important dimention in a TBH is the >> > width of the bar, I could use wooden boxes I >> > already have and make the bars from scrap wood. >> > That would mean my hives would almost be free. >> > That sounds a heck of a lot better to me than what >> > I was looking at. >> > >> > I read what I could find on the web. I can easily >> > do with less honey and more wax per hive. Is >> > there any other trade-offs? Are they just as easy >> > to treat for mites and other problems? Since >> > there isn't a queen excluder, do you wind up with >> > mixed honey and brood combs? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > I made my first TBH this year from pallet wood. It is shaped like half a cylinder to enable the bees to produce catenary shaped combs as they do naturally. It is slung on ropes between fence posts so the bars are waist high to me. The entrance is a hole at one end. The bees seem happy. So far they haven't stung me at all. This may be because only one or two frames are out at a time. Feeding is achieved by placing bags of wet sugar or drained cappings or fondant in the rear of the hive for the bees to work on. There is little comb attachment to the sides but the combs are fragile. My hive is on somebody else's land and they paid their rent with honeycomb. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Message-ID: References: <945387904@zbee.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 945415446 216.100.16.37 (Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:24:06 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:24:06 MST Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:30:36 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22428 Cool, man; cool! That's a good idea to get the walls of the hive all the way out of the way of the catenary shape by using a cylinder shape. I've heard that a barrell on its side can work in the same manner. So tell me one thing - how were you able to build the cylinder shape with the straight edged pallet wood? Pete (not much of a carpenter, but I've got a radial arm saw) Amschel Hemet, California In article <945387904@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com says... > I made my first TBH this year from pallet wood. It is shaped like half a > cylinder to enable the bees to produce catenary shaped combs as they do > naturally. It is slung on ropes between fence posts so the bars are waist high > to me. The entrance is a hole at one end. The bees seem happy. So far they > haven't stung me at all. This may be because only one or two frames are out at > a time. Feeding is achieved by placing bags of wet sugar or drained cappings > or fondant in the rear of the hive for the bees to work on. There is little > comb attachment to the sides but the combs are fragile. My hive is on somebody > else's land and they paid their rent with honeycomb. > Chris Slade > > --- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > > Article 22429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Message-ID: <945413781@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:56:21 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 945415327 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22429 >> > Since the only important dimention in a TBH is the >> > width of the bar, I could use wooden boxes I >> > already have and make the bars from scrap wood. >> > That would mean my hives would almost be free. >> > That sounds a heck of a lot better to me than what >> > I was looking at. I made my first TBH this year from pallet wood. It is shaped like half a cylinder to enable the bees to produce catenary shaped combs as they do naturally. It is slung on ropes between fence posts so the bars are waist high to me. The entrance is a hole at one end. The bees seem happy. So far they haven't stung me at all. This may be because only one or two frames are out at a time. Feeding is achieved by placing bags of wet sugar or drained cappings or fondant in the rear of the hive for the bees to work on. There is little comb attachment to the sides but the combs are fragile. My hive is on somebody else's land and they paid their rent with honeycomb. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!dt-cegetel!starship!not-for-mail From: "eric.faucon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey and HMF Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:22 +0100 Organization: Infonie Lines: 9 Message-ID: <945723866.622076@news1> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.10 X-Trace: starship.infonie.fr 945722693 9108 10.1.5.10 (20 Dec 1999 20:44:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infonie.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 1999 20:44:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news1!unknown@195.242.114.245 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22453 can i find here someone who knows something about hmf (hydroxymethylfurfural) and honey. I know that a few quantity (under 10mg/kg) of HMF present in the honey is a criteria of quality. My research is to know that HMF have the same presence in all the honeys and to know the factors which increase HMF in the honey. Do you know some studies on theses subjects ? Thank you Article 22454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and HMF Message-ID: <385eb38a.1153818203@news4.usenetserver.com> References: <945723866.622076@news1> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 16 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:55:01 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:54:50 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22454 Age .. search dejanews for multiple postings a month back on this and other quality tests On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:22 +0100, "eric.faucon" wrote: >can i find here someone who knows something about hmf >(hydroxymethylfurfural) and honey. I know that a few quantity (under >10mg/kg) of HMF present in the honey is a criteria of quality. >My research is to know that HMF have the same presence in all the honeys and >to know the factors which increase HMF in the honey. >Do you know some studies on theses subjects ? >Thank you > > Article 22455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Steven Newport" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand holds Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:12:28 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <83mdb7$ivb$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-169.extra.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 945731751 19435 62.136.206.169 (20 Dec 1999 23:15:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:15:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22455 Add blocks as one of your other contributers suggested. I did this with mine. Easy. Chad Howell wrote in message news:384DC41A.8D9B6CB3@netnitco.net... > Does anyone make their own wooden ware? My grandfather and I made mine > last winter and we used a dado blade to cut the hand holds in the brood > and honey supers. I was wondering how manufacturers like Miller Wood > Products cut the hand holds in their boxes? > Article 22456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Steven Newport" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:18:09 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 5 Message-ID: <83mdlr$j5j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-169.extra.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 945732091 19635 62.136.206.169 (20 Dec 1999 23:21:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:21:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22456 End of first year. Great! Article 22457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kemtucky bees Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:28:20 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <13525-385EBB94-9@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <83jo6e$esr$4@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoXKgJcFLW7wMFqyLLmm2pUp/PkcCFBQhUqvRXHCM13wnYAj/iKU7IawU Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22457 Your bees will be just fine if you can convince them they are from southern Ohio (: Article 22458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:52:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <83mfev$nc6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 20 23:52:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.108 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22458 > "Andy Wooten" wrote: > Don't know what made them so mad. ********************************************* Howdy Andy -- No big mystery. Bees are happy only when they are working like crazy bringing in goodies from the field. Mix (1) end of season,(2) cooler weather which they don't like, (3) mostly older bees because of decreased brood raising -- so there you have it. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and HMF Message-ID: References: <945723866.622076@news1> <385eb38a.1153818203@news4.usenetserver.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 945738046 216.100.16.35 (Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:00:46 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:00:46 MST Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:07:20 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22459 Did you notice that dejanews seems to be starting to control access to its newsarticle database? In article <385eb38a.1153818203@news4.usenetserver.com>, hamilton@pbssite.com says... > Age .. search dejanews for multiple postings a month back on this and > other quality tests > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:22 +0100, "eric.faucon" > wrote: > > >can i find here someone who knows something about hmf > >(hydroxymethylfurfural) and honey. I know that a few quantity (under > >10mg/kg) of HMF present in the honey is a criteria of quality. > >My research is to know that HMF have the same presence in all the honeys and > >to know the factors which increase HMF in the honey. > >Do you know some studies on theses subjects ? > >Thank you > > > > > > > > Article 22460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: wanderer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Record keeping for beekeeping Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:29:11 -0800 Organization: Uniserve Lines: 62 Message-ID: <385ED7E6.5C594624@uniserve.com> References: <385C8779.FEBAC046@uniserve.com> <83j2vu$dm0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!204.244.242.105 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22460 pete wrote: > > wanderer wrote: > > > "What type of record keeping systems do the beekeeps use and what > > different types of information do they record." > > > > John > > *********************************************** > Howdy John == > > Record keeping needs to be of two kinds. One for > the long haul to evaluate desirable traits, production, > gentleness,etc. A small notebook to jot down important > facts until you get home to make your permanent entries > will do fine. Just record the things that are important > to you. > > The other is to show current conditions in the hive at the > time of inspecting or working it. Many beekeepers use a > brick for this purpose. Position of the brick indicates > the urgency of the existing condition. > > Devise whatever you want the brick position to mean. I use > the brick flat and pointed forward to indicate "OK". > Standing on end means that emergency measures are needed > as quickly as possible. (queenless, laying workers, > threat of swarming, etc.) > > Flat and crosswise means "status of queen in doubt" > Other positions can mean whatever you assign it to mean. > > Good Luck, Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Thanks for the response Pete This gives me a better idea on which direction to go with this record keeping..... Seems to be lots of tidbits of information that is being gathered by the beekeep now that should be of value to someone as a resource other than to the individual beekeeps record. e.g. disease control and genetic trait etc. Beekeeps sell the honey, wax, polin, brude and the whole hive in some cases; it seems that now days information should be marketable no matter how small the the beekeeps operation is; however, this might be done now and I do not know about it. Thanks again Pete. Sincerely John Article 22461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 01:30:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <83mk49$s1h$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <83mdlr$j5j$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22461 "Steven Newport" wrote: >End of first year. >Great! WRONG. Beginning of second year. What you did this fall will determine what you have in the Spring! Great! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!raven.korax.net!paul Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Paul S. Hetrick" Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? (part II) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:07:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.94.178.7 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 945742064 216.94.178.7 (Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:07:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:07:44 EST Organization: UUNET Canada News Reader Service Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22462 > How many supers do people put on at once in your area? > How often do you wan to have to harvest combs? > How much honey do bees need to have to winter in your area? The first and last questions are one's I'm trying to find the answere to. I'm moving and want to make the hives before I get there. Thus I don't have any local beekeepers to talk to. The second question is something I can work around, I guess. I just want something 'reasonable.' Thanks for the help. ==>paul Article 22463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:17:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991220221740.15563.00000349@nso-fr.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22463 i plan on using cardboard tubes that are in the shape of a cylinder. The tubes are the right size and made of thick carboard. i cut them longitudinally not exactly through the diameter of the face side so the sides of the base will slope out away from the top bar to prevent sidewall attachment of comb. One part of the cut up cylinder is used as a top attached by a hinge to the base. Then the unit can be covered with a waterpoof material. I have one that is covered with scrap vinyl material. I want to make one of thick ferrocement to make it bear proof although i'm having trouble designing the cover. I don't want the cover too heavy like steel plate. Also i don't want the bear to peel it off like a banana skin. i will tye the hive into a permanent concrete stand. seasons greetings Al Article 22464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Dec 1999 14:39:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22464 >Thanks for the come back and thoughts. you are all right. I didn't smoke >enough. Andy, I don't know how much smoke you used, but it might be premature to conclude that you didn't smoke enough. I read somewhere a few months ago about less smoke being better. After that we started putting just a little puff of smoke in the entrance and under the top - raising it slightly to get the smoke in. Then we would wait a couple of minutes before doing anything else. After waiting we could take off the top without disturbing the bees. OF COURSE we always keep the smoker handy just in case!! We did that the other day when it was about 60 degrees here in NW Florida and the bees were calm. At that temperature they were busy gathering pollen. In fact I've noticed that they are still gathering when the temperature is in the forties. Camellias are blooming now here, and probably in central MS too. Herb Article 22465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mad at me Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.193.232 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 945774201 208.148.193.232 (Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:03:21 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:03:21 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 05:05:06 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22465 Andy Wooten wrote in message news:b3a74.12963$Ke.702190@tw11.nn.bcandid.com... > Well I tried to remove the apistan strips today. It is 60 degrees and over > cast. Got one of my three hives done and my shoulder is well medicated now. > Don't know what made them so mad. I am going to try again next week end > maybe the sun will be out and they will let me work on them. Got any ideas? > Never have had them act this bad. Located in central Mississippi. > > Thanks for the come back and thoughts. you are all right. I didn't smoke enough. All summer they have been mild and contented. Late getting medicated so later in season getting off. They were all home as nothing to forage.I didn't suit up as have been working them with short sleeve shirt and jeans. You know I knew better. Usually would have been through this late. Have to work a full time job and it is dark leaving and dark when getting home. All in all must say it has been a good year. I had 15 gal of honey from 3 hives and they have 2 deeps for them selves, to store surplus honey and brood.They seem to be strong and well. Thanks to all. Article 22466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tim.." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two Queens one hive Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:47:38 +0000 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 12 Message-ID: <385FD95A.38D38FD3@home.com> Reply-To: tim@londonoffice.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.67.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22466 Thanks to those people out there that have given me some info on this subject, however if anyone else can give me some more info it would be appreciated. ...I need as much help as i can get. cheers Tim :] -- Remember: Above all BEE happy http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm (Just another bee page) Article 22467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tim.." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cordovans ? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:24 +0000 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 14 Message-ID: <385FDA3C.93CA9140@home.com> Reply-To: tim@londonoffice.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.67.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22467 Can anyone help with a cordovan keeper in either the UK Fuji Hawaii or Australia , New Zealand. As i am based in the UK i am only able to import from these countries and i would realy like a couple of cordovan Queens next spring.... i live in hope!.. regards Tim :} -- Remember: Above all BEE happy http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm (Just another bee page) Article 22468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!px.f1.ru!not-for-mail From: "÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ úÂÉÎÑËÏ×" Newsgroups: relcom.auto,relcom.commerce.cars,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.other,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ðÏËÕÐËÁ ÍÅÔÉÚÏ×. Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:55:00 +0300 Organization: universe Lines: 8 Message-ID: <83psko$2f6$1@px.f1.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: p135.dialup.oryol.ru X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.commerce.machinery:222670 relcom.commerce.metals:258558 relcom.commerce.other:235272 relcom.commerce.transport:150980 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22468 úáï " ðÒÏÍÔÅÈÁ×ÔÏ" ËÕÐÉÔ ÍÅÔÉÚÙ, ÓÔÁÌØ20ç2ò, ÐÒÏËÁÔ ËÁÌÉÂÒÏ×ÁÎÎÙÊ çïóô10702. ëÏÎÔÁËÔ. ÔÅÌ.: Ç.ïÒÅÌ, (0862) 42-19-14,47-10-93, 47-12-01, E-mail:auto@ valley.ru Article 22469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!px.f1.ru!not-for-mail From: "÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ úÂÉÎÑËÏ×" Newsgroups: relcom.auto,relcom.commerce.cars,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.other,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ðÏËÕÐËÁ ÍÅÔÉÚÏ×. 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ÔÅÌ.: Ç.ïÒÅÌ, (0862) 42-19-14,47-10-93, 47-12-01, E-mail:auto@ valley.ru Article 22470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!demos!px.f1.ru!not-for-mail From: "÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ úÂÉÎÑËÏ×" Newsgroups: relcom.auto,relcom.commerce.cars,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.metals,relcom.commerce.other,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ïÒÇÁÎÉÚÁÃÉÑ ÐÒÉÏÂÒÅÔÅÔ. 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Article 22471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!icx.net!not-for-mail From: "Mark and Mary" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kemtucky bees Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:12:50 -0000 Organization: ICX Online, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <83qper$ldk$1@news3.icx.net> References: <83jo6e$esr$4@news1.Radix.Net> <13525-385EBB94-9@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: leb131.kih.net X-Trace: news3.icx.net 945875227 21940 209.209.153.131 (22 Dec 1999 15:07:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@icx.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 1999 15:07:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22471 Daniel Restle wrote in message news:13525-385EBB94-9@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > Your bees will be just fine if you > can convince them they are from > southern Ohio (: > I think they will be fine knowing that they are here close to God and the Kentucky Wildcats (: Article 22472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Date: 22 Dec 1999 21:57:24 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <83s32k$4v$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: foink city Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22472 In article <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com>, Vasak wrote: > Andy, I don't know how much smoke you used, but it might be premature to >conclude that you didn't smoke enough. I read somewhere a few months ago about >less smoke being better. Smoke's chemical content blocks receptor sites on bee antennae that are sensitive to alarm pheromone. When you smoke bees lightly, you are desensitizing them and behaviorally making them docile--which is what you want, no? Handling bees when there are no other olfactory stimuli, (pollen, nectar, brood--olfactory input a warm weather hive produces) without smoke, exposes very sensitive, defensive workers to stimuli (your smell, vibration) that release alarm behavior. The chances that one can work a cool weather hive without smoke and hive aggression are slim. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Date: 23 Dec 1999 05:39:42 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <83su5e$2rg$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com> <83s32k$4v$1@saltmine.radix.net> <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22473 In article <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >I don't know if this is true. I am in my hives 52 weeks of >the year. Smoke has little effect on some hives during the >cold periods. If anything it seems to irritate them. I >find that the is no reason to bother lighting the smoker if >the temp is below 30 degrees F. They're mostly clustered when it's this cold, right? Do you get zapped by lots of workers when it's 30 degrees F.? If you work a clustered hive in 30 degrees, there will be some defensive behavior. I'd be willing to wager that bees would be less defensive if they cannot sense your presence, at any temperature. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: nobody@null.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kemtucky bees Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:53:54 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38623682.157980009@news.pg.com> References: <83jo6e$esr$4@news1.Radix.Net> <13525-385EBB94-9@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22474 On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:28:20 -0500 (EST), Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) wrote: >Your bees will be just fine if you >can convince them they are from >southern Ohio (: > We need to have pity on Daniel and his bees. Ohio is notorious for its misguided inhabitants. Ohio has little to offer, so they poke at surronding states to prop themselves up. Its OK David. Beekeepers are an understanding sort of people. They will like you even though you are from Ohio. :) Phil Article 22475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Dec 1999 15:12:08 GMT References: <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991223101208.25864.00000739@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22475 >I don't know if this is true. I am in my hives 52 weeks of >the year. Smoke has little effect on some hives during the >cold periods. If anything it seems to irritate them. Our bees definitely get irritated if we let the smoke get too warm. We cram green grass, or other green leaves in the smoker to keep the smoke cool. But if we take too long messing with the hives, the green stuff dries out and the smoke heats up. So do the tempers of the bees. But Greg, you have aroused my curiosity on another point. Why are you going into the hives 52 weeks of the year? Surely you don't mean that you go into each hive each week!! If you do I can see why your bees would not be upset. They have come to consider you as a member of the family. :-) Herb Article 22476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: suburban beekeeping help Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:52:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.41.8.194 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 23 20:52:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 bx6.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.41.8.194 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmichaelgranville Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22476 I live in a Southern California beach town, about 20 miles south of downtown L.A. and was wondering if it would be possible for me to maintain a hive with relatively little "difficulty". If so, can somebody tell me what types of things to consider? I have read a few books, but they deal with wide open spaces for the most part. Are there any books one can recommend regarding suburban apiculture? The particulars - 5200 sq. ft. lot (1350 lost to the house). Temps: Avg Summer high about 80 - 85F, Avg. Winter low about 50F. I also have the benefit of living within about 1 mile of 4 or 5 small commercial nurseries (as you can see by the temps, everything grows well here). Also, can anybody point me in the direction of a club or society in my area? Thank you very much for the help. Michael Granville mgranville@cosmodyne.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:50:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <83ubdi$qi$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19991223101208.25864.00000739@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22477 vasak@aol.com (Vasak) wrote: >>I don't know if this is true. I am in my hives 52 weeks of >>the year. Smoke has little effect on some hives during the >>cold periods. If anything it seems to irritate them. > Our bees definitely get irritated if we let the smoke get too warm. We cram >green grass, or other green leaves in the smoker to keep the smoke cool. But if >we take too long messing with the hives, the green stuff dries out and the >smoke heats up. So do the tempers of the bees. > But Greg, you have aroused my curiosity on another point. Why are you going >into the hives 52 weeks of the year? Surely you don't mean that you go into >each hive each week!! > If you do I can see why your bees would not be upset. They have come to >consider you as a member of the family. :-) > Herb I usually go into 4 to 8 hives each week. I shake down 4 or 5 pounds to ship out to my customers who have MS. They use them for BVT. My business increases during the winter when local beekeepers won't open their hives. I harvest no honey. I spend all summer raising as many bees as I can for the winter harvest. As far as Adams question. At around freezing they are loosly clustered, quite warm themselves and are able to pour out of the hive at will. Once the temperature gets down to about 20 or so they are tightly clustered and fly very little. Usually they just land on you and then are too cold to continue and sting. You end up with balls of bees clustered on your suit. The bee brush puts them into the funnel. Being in the hives year round can lead to some interesting sights. Lizards and cockroaches live within the cluster without the bees bothering them. It is relly quite a sight seeing a skink looking at you from between the frames with the bees. Weak hives are shaken down completely to be restarted in the spring. Throwing queens in the snow is hard but in this business you have to watch the bottom line. The strongest hives put on a surplus in the spring. This is harvested and given to new packages so that they can explode and reach full strength by mid summer. The ones that don't are eliminated, strenghtening the gene pool. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:23:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 45 Message-ID: <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com> <83s32k$4v$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22478 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com>, >Vasak wrote: >> Andy, I don't know how much smoke you used, but it might be premature to >>conclude that you didn't smoke enough. I read somewhere a few months ago about >>less smoke being better. >Smoke's chemical content blocks receptor sites on bee antennae that are >sensitive to alarm pheromone. When you smoke bees lightly, you are >desensitizing them and behaviorally making them docile--which is what you >want, no? >Handling bees when there are no other olfactory stimuli, (pollen, nectar, >brood--olfactory input a warm weather hive produces) without smoke, exposes >very sensitive, defensive workers to stimuli (your smell, vibration) that >release alarm behavior. >The chances that one can work a cool weather hive without smoke and hive >aggression are slim. >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf I don't know if this is true. I am in my hives 52 weeks of the year. Smoke has little effect on some hives during the cold periods. If anything it seems to irritate them. I find that the is no reason to bother lighting the smoker if the temp is below 30 degrees F. Maybe they know that I am up to no good? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suburban beekeeping help Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:44:11 -0500 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <83uc7q$c38$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.195 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22479 Hi: If you go to the following, http://bee.airoot.com/cgi-bin/who/who.pl , it will give you the who's who in beekeeping for California. Keith Article 22480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suburban beekeeping help Message-ID: References: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 945993270 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:54:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:54:30 MST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:01:06 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22480 Sure, Michael, people keep bees in the city. I am in Hemet, with an acre, but I have seen reports of apartment dwellers with a hive on their balcony. Some things to think about are: 1. putting bamboo or other screens around your new hive so that the bees will have to start their foraging by flying upwards instead of flying straight out over your neighbors. 2. a water source for them. They need something wet that they can land on without falling in and drowning. This will keep them from using your neighbors' faucets, etc. for their water. 3. going for a top bar hive. these do not fill up so fast with honey like the commercial langstroth frame hives. Here a site where I learned about top bars: http://www.gsu.edu/%7Ebiojdsx/main.htm In article <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, michaelgranville@my- deja.com says... > I live in a Southern California beach town, about 20 miles south of > downtown L.A. and was wondering if it would be possible for me to > maintain a hive with relatively little "difficulty". > > If so, can somebody tell me what types of things to consider? I have > read a few books, but they deal with wide open spaces for the most > part. Are there any books one can recommend regarding suburban > apiculture? > > The particulars - 5200 sq. ft. lot (1350 lost to the house). Temps: > Avg Summer high about 80 - 85F, Avg. Winter low about 50F. I also have > the benefit of living within about 1 mile of 4 or 5 small commercial > nurseries (as you can see by the temps, everything grows well here). > > Also, can anybody point me in the direction of a club or society in my > area? > > Thank you very much for the help. > > Michael Granville > mgranville@cosmodyne.com > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Article 22481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and HMF Message-ID: References: <945723866.622076@news1> <385eb38a.1153818203@news4.usenetserver.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 946016957 216.100.16.37 (Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:29:17 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:29:17 MST Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:35:52 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22481 No, I take that back; dejanews seems to be just fine. Still, I liked the databases better in the old sigs (special interest groups - e.g. The TRSDOS group) on compuserve in the 80's where the volunteer data manager, and the other users, could upload and save articles and threads of interest on specific subjects for future reference. For example, you would type in "wax solar" to see any and all past discussions on that subject where they would pop up out of the "data library". Those sigs is where I learned how to boost the RAM on the old Model III to 1K by piggy-backing the chips and soldering their legs together. In article , amschelp@pe.net says... > Did you notice that dejanews seems to be starting to control > access to its newsarticle database? > > > In article <385eb38a.1153818203@news4.usenetserver.com>, > hamilton@pbssite.com says... > > Age .. search dejanews for multiple postings a month back on this and > > other quality tests > > > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:55:22 +0100, "eric.faucon" > > wrote: > > > > >can i find here someone who knows something about hmf > > >(hydroxymethylfurfural) and honey. I know that a few quantity (under > > >10mg/kg) of HMF present in the honey is a criteria of quality. > > >My research is to know that HMF have the same presence in all the honeys and > > >to know the factors which increase HMF in the honey. > > >Do you know some studies on theses subjects ? > > >Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 22482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Dec 1999 11:54:40 GMT References: <83ubdi$qi$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991224065440.19882.00001736@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22482 >I usually go into 4 to 8 hives each week. I shake down 4 or >5 pounds to ship out to my customers who have MS.... Thanks for the fascinating explanation, Greg. Sincerely, Herb Article 22483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3863A98F.6AA07C03@no.spam> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mad at me References: <83ss4j$r3$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19991223101208.25864.00000739@ng-co1.aol.com> <83ubdi$qi$1@news1.Radix.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:14:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:14:04 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22483 honeybs wrote: > > > > I usually go into 4 to 8 hives each week. I shake down 4 or > 5 pounds to ship out to my customers who have MS. They use > them for BVT. My business increases during the winter when > local beekeepers won't open their hives. I harvest no > honey. I spend all summer raising as many bees as I can for > the winter harvest. > > As far as Adams question. At around freezing they are > loosly clustered, quite warm themselves and are able to pour > out of the hive at will. Once the temperature gets down to > about 20 or so they are tightly clustered and fly very > little. Usually they just land on you and then are too cold > to continue and sting. You end up with balls of bees > clustered on your suit. The bee brush puts them into the > funnel. > > Being in the hives year round can lead to some interesting > sights. Lizards and cockroaches live within the cluster > without the bees bothering them. It is relly quite a sight > seeing a skink looking at you from between the frames with > the bees. > > Weak hives are shaken down completely to be restarted in the > spring. Throwing queens in the snow is hard but in this > business you have to watch the bottom line. The strongest > hives put on a surplus in the spring. This is harvested and > given to new packages so that they can explode and reach > full strength by mid summer. The ones that don't are > eliminated, strenghtening the gene pool. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > Thanks Greg, The vision of a skink peering up through that got a chuckle. Sometimes I wonder what other types of products are sold in conditions I haven't thought of. Thom Thom's Honeybees Chesapeake, VA Article 22484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kemtucky bees Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 18:45:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <386405AF.8B4E6711@fuse.net> References: <83jhs8$rhb$1@news3.icx.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22484 Hello Mark. You have a couple of wonderful beekeeping groups, the Bluegrass Beekeepers Club which meets in Lexington and the "Can't Remember the Name" Club which is just southwest of Louisville. I am the secretary of 2 clubs here in Northern Kentucky, about 40 miles north of Lexington on I-75. Our state apiarist is just new, well, less than a year. And he is trying to help the beekeepers. There is no official hive inspection here in Kentucky. But Phil will come out and look at your hives if you have questions or just want to talk. Welcome to Kentucky. Not the best nectar flows, but definitely the best honey if you can catch the nectar. Judy Mark and Mary wrote: > Hello just wandered if anyone here is from the Bluegrass state? I'm between > Louisville and Lexington. This is my first year at bee keeping. I hope > some one from Kentucky can talk with me. Merry christmas to all Mark Article 22485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: Curtis Link Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 01:08:28 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38646D6C.6984924F@afweb.com> References: <19991220221740.15563.00000349@nso-fr.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-164-194.nas1.apv.gblx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 946105864 38688 209.130.164.194 (25 Dec 1999 07:11:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Dec 1999 07:11:04 GMT To: Jajwuth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22485 I would like to know how successful your bear proof hive turns out. I have been considering a TBH because I think it would be easier to bear proof. Does anyone else know a way of protecting a hive from bears? The electric fence or fastening several hives together aren't really options for me. Thanks Curtis Jajwuth wrote: > i plan on using cardboard tubes that are in the shape of a cylinder. The tubes > are the right size and made of thick carboard. i cut them longitudinally not > exactly through the diameter of the face side so the sides of the base will > slope out away from the top bar to prevent sidewall attachment of comb. One > part of the cut up cylinder is used as a top attached by a hinge to the base. > Then the unit can be covered with a waterpoof material. I have one that is > covered with scrap vinyl material. I want to make one of thick ferrocement to > make it bear proof although i'm having trouble designing the cover. I don't > want the cover too heavy like steel plate. Also i don't want the bear to peel > it off like a banana skin. i will tye the hive into a permanent concrete stand. > > seasons greetings > Al Article 22486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping videos -gift Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Dec 1999 20:09:11 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991225150911.01167.00001444@nso-ba.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22486 I got 5 beekeeping videos for xmas. Four of the videos are an independant study program from the University of Guelph. The 5th video is about working with africanized bees. The present still had the price tag on them $5.00 for them all. The person who gave them to me bought them from a public library sale of discontinued items. Not bad eh. Happy Holidays Al Article 22487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: another test Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:22:37 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.250.243 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 946153646 38.31.250.243 (Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:27:26 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:27:26 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22487 news.cidial.com Article 22488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gate.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw12.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Wooten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991221093909.17239.00000613@ng-co1.aol.com> <83s32k$4v$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: Mad at me Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.209.217 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 946155760 208.148.209.217 (Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:02:40 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:02:40 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:04:31 -0600 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22488 Well went back into hives today. They weren't flying much about 50 deg. f. Smoked lightly, waited a few minutes, got in and out with no problem. Sunny today instead of overcast I was ready for more trouble. Was another day and a different mood. Kind of like some of the other gals in my past life. Appreciate the come back from you nice folks, the good advice, and symphony. Hope you all have a nice holiday. Me my chores done I am on the way to the farm to deer hunt with my children and grandchildren. Article 22489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: seeking bee pollen analysis. Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 06:56:22 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <19991219090830.03879.00000130@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991219090830.03879.00000130@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6zAr2JHmcsg7xPP0XCly5J9?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22489 > >I'm trying to find out the nutritional analysis of bee pollen. > >Especially in terms of percentages/milligrams of specific vitamins, > >minerals, amino acids, etc There is a bit of information on the web about different pollens. Links to some of it can be found from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ by selecting the 'Pollen Patties' link on the left menu. The emphasis is on feeding bees substitutes, but there is a link to Australian research on canola pollens and more. If anyone has further links, I'd appreciate hearing about them. There is some considerable discussion in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" about pollens and the needs of bees as well. Peace. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Record keeping for beekeeping Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:14:09 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <385C8779.FEBAC046@uniserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <385C8779.FEBAC046@uniserve.com> X-DejaID: _ILxQbhoVDN1VrpMASwHa+Q= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22490 > "What type of record keeping systems do the beekeeps use and what > different types of information do they record." Hi Over a quarter of a century, we've tried everything from a notebook to tape recorder. Currently we use an MS Excel Spreadsheet that functions reasonably well. Some time back we had discussions on BEE-L about record keeping and I sent a copy of the spreadsheet to whoever requested it using an autoresponder. At some point the autoresponder went berserk and thought BEE-L had requested the file. I believe that about ten copies went to BEE-L and all its members and are now in the BEE-L Archives . This was one of the things that led to moderation on BEE-L. The episode is amusing now, but at the time was a bit awkward :( Anyhow, anyone can search BEE-L archives from the link below in my signature, and retrieve a copy of the file as well as benefit from the discussions. I might mention that several proprietary beekeeping computer record-keeping systems have been discussed on BEE-L over the years, too. Just as a confirmation that the search is reasonably easy, I just did a search at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm using "Record keeping" (I just used the two words without the quotes) as key words and got 44 relevant hits. There is probably more info there that might need a little further digging. "Software" come to mind as another promising key. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE Careful Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:29:57 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 102 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _qzBE/hx7rR/m+eubIza1Ww= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22491 This was written for BEE-L in response to something Jack Griffes sent around, but moderators there have not seen fit to approve it. Yes, I admit I'm a BEE-L moderator, but moderators do not approve their own posts -- they have to wait until one of the others decides it is worthwhile. This post has waited days, so I'm reasonably sure it is destined for the bit bucket as far as BEE-L is concerned and I'm worried that a number of the list members will wake up some day soon with blank hard drives if they are not getting news from another source. Sure this matter is a bit off topic for BEE-L, and we don't approve every virus warning post that gets sent to BEE-L, but I think that things are VERY different starting right about now and that everyone must now be very vigilant. So, I'm sending this little warning here and hope it does some good. > ====this begins the important part of the message==== > One other thing - and it is a serious thing - a computer virus got sent into > the email system of my workplace today... We normally do not approve messages relating to viruses and other non-bee matters, but this is a computer based list and -- at this point of time -- the threat of virus or trojan damage is getting to where *everyone* needs to take notice and be extremely careful. Jack sent us this wake up call, and it seems very timely. There is a good chance that some or even many of our members are not aware of the risks, so I'll just touch on the most important points in this short reminder. VIRUSES AND TROJANS: Formerly it was impossible to get computer data damage by simply opening email messages from trusted sources, but THIS IS NO LONGER TRUE. Viruses and Trojans now can send damaging email from the computers of your friends and family without those people even being aware that they are infected or even intentionally sending you email. Over the past year, I have personally received email with viruses attached from several well respected names in beekeeping. Fortunately, in each case, I did not open the attached file since I was not expecting to get any software from them, and also was able to identify the file as what it was. When informed that they were infected, the individuals involved were very surprised, but were able to disinfect their machines without damage AFAIK. That was before the advent of email viruses that can cause damage simply by the user glancing at the message. With all the SPAM coming in we do not know what email is bona fide and what might be dangerous. There is a lot of discussion in various places on the net about his, and this is not the place to go into detail, but if you have not heard about this, it's time to look into it and to also make sure your virus protection is working. At this time *no one* should be running a PC without virus protection. I personally have always resented spending money on virus checkers, but I have been careful to keep abreast of the problem. Some time back found a good virus checker program that is a FREE internet download and which offers frequent FREE downloadable updates of the data files that help it identify the latest viruses. Lately these data updates are often released *every several days* as new viruses are found, so you can see that the threat is much greater now than even a few months ago. If you have a virus checker and you have not updated it this week, or month or year, do so now. Don't delay. Update the data NOW, and often in the future. If you do not have a checker, the software I found is available free of all cost and obligation for download at http://antivirus.cai.com/. (I have no affiliation with CAI, but have used their gift to the Internet for about six months now with complete satisfaction). The CAI scanning software runs under Windoze, offers bootup scans, real time protection and frequent updates. If you ever need to find the site in the future, I also link to it from my home page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/. Y2K: What can I say? It has been said -- and then some. It is likely going to be a non-event, and, besides, we all do regular backups anyways, don't we? BACK UP YOUR DATA OFTEN: Even a good virus checker does not obviate the need for FREQUENT BACKUPS, since we can expect to encounter increasing risk of viruses and Trojans in the future. Even if they do not get through our defences, the best of Hard Drives will eventually fail, often without any warning at all. FWIW, it is not necessary to back up your whole Hard Drive. A whole hard drive is pretty big and takes a long time to back up -- and a lot of space. If just your important user files (data) are backed up, you will not lose all your work in case of HD crash or virus damage. Hopefully you still have your original software disks. After you get your system up or a new machine and all your software re-installed, you can then copy your backups of your user data to the new system and proceed without too big a disruption. VIRUSES ON BEE-L?: Due to moderation, it is *very* unlikely, given what we know now, that you will ever receive a virus from BEE-L. FYI, real viruses have been sent here in the past year, but EVERY message you receive from BEE-L is read by the moderators before approval. Since binaries and other attachments are refused, you *should* be safe, but we are human, and nothing human is 100%. I hope this short note saves some on the list from the anguish of total data loss. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. 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Article 22492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis and Propolis Soap Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:46:42 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8464lt$iht$2@front1.grolier.fr> References: <83jo1b$30u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-28-154.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 946247165 19005 213.44.28.154 (26 Dec 1999 22:26:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 1999 22:26:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22492 Bonjour, Were can I find a soap recipe ? -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Ellen Anglin a écrit dans le message : bSv74.1014$h3.26529@ord-read.news.verio.net... > Rubbing alcohol dissolves the gummy stuff pretty well- but you are still > left with a yellow stain on clothing. Rum or other strong food alcohol will > dissolve it too. > Try making a tincture of propolis and alcohol, and adding it to your > soap at the tracing stage- the same stage at which you add essential oils, > etc. Don't overdo it, or you may end up with soap that turns things yellow. > Sorry- I haven't seen any specific recipes- start out with your favorite > basic soap recipe, and experiment. > > Ellen > > Steven Newport wrote in message > news:83jo1b$30u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Can anybody suggest a way in which to clean propolis? > > > > Does anybody have a recipe for propolis soap? > > > > Thanks > > Steve > > > > > > Article 22493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey and HMF Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:42:28 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8464ls$iht$1@front1.grolier.fr> References: <945723866.622076@news1> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-28-154.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 946247164 19005 213.44.28.154 (26 Dec 1999 22:26:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Dec 1999 22:26:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22493 Hi, As far as I know : light and heat speed up honey degradation and HMF ratio increase. HMF (hydroxymethylfulfural) rate is a measurement of honey aging. In France when analysis shows over than 40 mg per kg, subject honey selling as 1st class honey is not legal . It should be used for cooking and pastry. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ eric.faucon a écrit dans le message : 945723866.622076@news1... > can i find here someone who knows something about hmf > (hydroxymethylfurfural) and honey. I know that a few quantity (under > 10mg/kg) of HMF present in the honey is a criteria of quality. > My research is to know that HMF have the same presence in all the honeys and > to know the factors which increase HMF in the honey. > Do you know some studies on theses subjects ? > Thank you > > Article 22494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon1.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: connie & mike Subject: new beekeepers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Lines: 10 Bytes: 549 X-Originating-Host: 4.4.165.66 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eAQhCQgRVhxXSRkHBFYMDh5DNA8EFF4XEwdFCQgEXRBFVgpUXBFfXF4= Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:45:34 +1600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.70 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 946256231 10.0.2.70 (Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:57:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:57:11 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22494 We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) We have two children and would like to know what medicine to keep on hand. Our children have never been stung so we do not know what reactions they will have. We would rather be safe than sorry. Also, are there any dangers of feeding sugar water to our bees in the winter. We were given 2 old hives that have hardly any stores. Thanks Connie & Mike * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Dec 1999 02:59:58 GMT References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991226215958.19933.00001933@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22495 A good place to start would be with your doctor. The emergency allergic reaction treatment prescribed by doctors is an Epipen, which is basically adrenalin that acts fast to counteract a histamine reaction. This is the reaction that makes you swell up when you get stung. A dangerous reaction is one that is systemic; that is, when your entire body reacts to the sting with swelling and hives. In the worst case, it can make you go into shock and stop breathing. About 100 to 150 people die each year from stings, mostly from wasps and yellow jackets. I had a systemic reaction to a yellow jacket sting this fall. I did not have trouble breathing, but I did get dizzy and feel stoned. I spoke to an allergist last week who said that was an indication that my blood pressure was dropping and I was starting to go into shock. In January, I'm going to begin a 15 week series of shots to desensitize myself to yellow jacket venom. I keep Epipens in my glove compartment and at my house. They have to be renewed yearly. Article 22496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: 27 Dec 1999 08:31:19 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22496 In article , Allen Dick wrote: >VIRUSES AND TROJANS: Formerly it was impossible to get computer data >damage by simply opening email messages from trusted sources, but THIS IS >NO LONGER TRUE. Viruses and Trojans now can send damaging email from the >computers of your friends and family without those people even being >aware that they are infected or even intentionally sending you email. >Over the past year, I have personally received email with viruses attached from >several well respected names in beekeeping. Fortunately, in each case, I did >not open the attached file since I was not expecting to get any software from >them, and also was able to identify the file as what it was. When informed that >they were infected, the individuals involved were very surprised, but were able >to disinfect their machines without damage AFAIK. >That was before the advent of email viruses that can cause damage simply by the >user glancing at the message. With all the SPAM coming in we do not know what >email is bona fide and what might be dangerous. There is a lot of discussion in >various places on the net about his, and this is not the place to go into >detail, but if you have not heard about this, it's time to look into it and to >also make sure your virus protection is working. At this time *no one* should >be running a PC without virus protection. Email viruses have to be "run" to infect your computer--that is, the virus program has to execute. In the above, "glancing at email" means opening the mail and having the mail attachment run, which some mailers now do automatically. By turning off the automatic attachment viewer, the attachment with the virus can exist without being infective, and the user can choose to delete the suspicious attachment, or virus check it. There are NO virus that propagate in ASCII text. Thus, by tuning your mailer to be more selective, the danger of opening an infected email attachment decreases greatly. If you're having spam problems, there are many anti-spam strategies on the net. Look around. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks, Allen Date: 27 Dec 1999 08:55:28 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <847r4g$h13$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22497 Thanks for posting to Usenet, the latest email virus info from bee-l, Allen. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <386790E4.9525D7D1@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:16:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.180 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 946311372 206.172.183.180 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:16:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:16:12 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22498 Hi there, were are you located? The problem with feeding this time of yhear is that the queen might think there is a honey flow on and begin laying more eggs, beginning a vicious cycle of the bees needing to keep the brood warm. but if the bees are low on stores, you have nothing to loose. Depending on where you are, spring might be close enough that you could. I know here in northern Ontario, I would just let the hive perish, as I would have to feed until mid April. As long as ther is no disease in the hive, (AFB?, which happened to me last year, and I dismissed it as killed form the cold) they you could purchase a package of bees, and with the draw comb, they should be at full strength in about 6 week after introduction. I purchased an epipen aswell, because you never know. The one I purchased was good for 2 years. I had to get a prescrription from my doctor, and it was about 80$ each. you can also get a child version, which is a little less in price. One of the other posts said he left his in the glove box. The heat from the summer can damage the mediaction, and render them useless. They need to be kept relatively cool. If you need any more help, feel free to ask. Al Banks connie & mike wrote: > We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) > We have two children and would like to know what medicine > to keep on hand. Our children have never been stung so we > do not know what reactions they will have. We would rather > be safe than sorry. Also, are there any dangers of feeding > sugar water to our bees in the winter. We were given 2 old > hives that have hardly any stores. Thanks Connie & Mike > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Richard Burns" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellow Jackets Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:56:47 -0800 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <84856v$pol$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.211.131 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 946313247 26389 12.75.211.131 (27 Dec 1999 16:47:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 16:47:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22499 I live in West Central Indiana, Terre Haute, and have been infested heavily by yellow jackets and wanted to know if anyone else has had this problem and what your solution was. Let me know any prblems that you may have, I may be able to help you out. Thanks Article 22500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3867BC60.2A581F0A@zzclinic.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:22:08 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p4-64.clinic.net X-Trace: 27 Dec 1999 19:21:38 GMT, d-p4-64.clinic.net Lines: 41 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p4-64.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22500 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article , > Allen Dick wrote: > > >VIRUSES AND TROJANS: Formerly it was impossible to get computer data > >damage by simply opening email messages from trusted sources, but THIS IS > >NO LONGER TRUE. Viruses and Trojans now can send damaging email from the > >computers of your friends and family without those people even being > >aware that they are infected or even intentionally sending you email. > > >Over the past year, I have personally received email with viruses attached from > >several well respected names in beekeeping. Fortunately, in each case, I did > >not open the attached file since I was not expecting to get any software from > >them, and also was able to identify the file as what it was. When informed that > >they were infected, the individuals involved were very surprised, but were able > >to disinfect their machines without damage AFAIK. > > >That was before the advent of email viruses that can cause damage simply by the > >user glancing at the message. With all the SPAM coming in we do not know what > >email is bona fide and what might be dangerous. There is a lot of discussion in > >various places on the net about his, and this is not the place to go into > >detail, but if you have not heard about this, it's time to look into it and to > >also make sure your virus protection is working. At this time *no one* should > >be running a PC without virus protection. > > Email viruses have to be "run" to infect your computer--that is, the virus > program has to execute. In the above, "glancing at email" means opening > the mail and having the mail attachment run, which some mailers now do > automatically. By turning off the automatic attachment viewer, the > attachment with the virus can exist without being infective, and the user > can choose to delete the suspicious attachment, or virus check it. I understand that there is an email virus which works with Outlook express that does not need to be opened to infect. I think the name was bubble boy or something similar. when it cam out I did not believe it so looked it up and it can. MS has patches to overcome it. I have Navigator so no problem. Bill T -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:01:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <84913o$mh0$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22501 connie & mike wrote: >We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) >We have two children and would like to know what medicine >to keep on hand. Our children have never been stung so we >do not know what reactions they will have. We would rather >be safe than sorry. Also, are there any dangers of feeding >sugar water to our bees in the winter. We were given 2 old >hives that have hardly any stores. Thanks Connie & Mike Free bees are usually worth less than you pay for them. At least that has been my experience. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Greetings from Big Johnson Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Dec 1999 01:59:26 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991227205926.14419.00001600@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22502 Howdy all, Guess by now you've done all ya Santa clausin We done pretty good this year, every body seems healthy, Ole flash still thinks he's human and has turned into a real good baby sitter for the new kitten. Momma an me is gittin along rite well, an the medicatian they's got me on now has took away all the voices and the desires to streak nekkid through the bee yard in the moonlight. The youngen is doin ok in school this year, They say she ain't gonna need medicatin. We caught a possum in the cage th other nite, was hopin for a skunk or rabbit both of which make wonderful presents for drunk mailmen but we got a possum. I wanted to keep it an tame it down but momma says if'n i bring anything else into this house she's goin home to her mamma, so i put it out in the barn to fatten up on sweet taters for new years brunch. WE sure do hope all a ya had a rite fair year, and are doin ok Merry whichever ya is and happy new year Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:57:46 -0600 Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net><3867BC60.2A581F0A@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.150.243 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22503 Bill - You'll find the right info at this site: http://www.kumite.com/myths/ -Barry > From: Bill Truesdell > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:22:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: BEE Careful > I understand that there is an email virus which works with Outlook express > that does not need to be opened to infect. I think the name was bubble boy > or something similar. when it cam out I did not believe it so looked it up > and it can. MS has patches to overcome it. > I have Navigator so no problem. > Bill T Article 22504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Dec 1999 01:48:39 GMT References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991227204839.14419.00001591@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22504 >We have two children and would like to know what medicine >to keep on hand. Our children h >We would rather >be safe than sorry. Also, are there any dangers of feeding >sugar water to our bees Well howdy and welcome ya'll ! I keep benadryl liquid caps on hand for the youngen. If she looks like she's havin a bad sting, just snip off the end a one ( child dose is 25mg ) and squeeze it under the tongue. Tastes like hell but absorbtion is almost as quick as a shot. Now i also keep an epi -pen Jr. for that hope never comes time when the ambulance is on the way. Stick it then call 911 In that order !! As for ya bees, If they're light to the lift then feed them now or they'll be dead for ya get a chance to. stick just the tip of 2 fingers under the back of the bottom board, try an tilt the hive forward. If ya can't hardly move it you're ok for a while but keep check'n once a week if'n the weather is in the 50's. Now if you just pick er on up then you may already be in trouble. get ya 1 gallon pickle jar from any restaurant ( glass jar ) Now punch ya about 10 holes in the center of the lid, just icepick tip size. Put ya a 5lb bag of sugar in the jar, fill it with boiling water, mix good and let cool. The boiling water keeps it from fermenting so quick if they don't drink it quick. now them holes in the lid will fit perfect over the elongated hole in ya inner cover, and the jar lid is big enough to cover the hole. Put ya jar lid on real tight, turn it upside down over that hole and the vacuum created in the jar will keep it from pourin out just like a ol chicken watering pan. Ya should only see a tiny bubble evry once in a while, if more then ya gotta leak. If them bees is real hungry and it's real warm they'll empty it in 24-48 hrs !! temps barely in the 50's durin the day and it'll take a day or 3. i'll usually feed 2 gal then stop in the winter. this gives em time to air out a little. now if they need more you feed em more!! a layin queen is always better'n a dead one you call me if you need to clarify anything 910-814-0540 as usual that goes for any a ya !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The birds and the bees Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Dec 1999 05:20:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991228002045.01106.00001328@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22505 The birds an the bees...or ...What not to touch with menthol on ya hands !!!!!!!!!!!! well sir, there i was a lookin at the ol observation hive a ponderin if'n i should give em a dose a menthol on account a there were about 2 dozen of the ladies with their wings hollarin KKKKKKKKK. As luck would have it momma hollars come ta bed cause she's got somethin on her mind other'n bees. Well ol country folks usually minds their elders an since she's about 1 month older than me...I did. Ya know us men folk have this thing about us where we think about somethin till it gets done , so there i was freas outa the arms a my beloved when lo and behold i spied the observation hive a sittin on the kitchen bar. So of course i sat rite down and proceeded to shove a little menthol grease under the glass and noted in delight that the fumes were driving them bees wild, heck after about oh 10 min the wings went down and the world was happy. The bees sittin there on the comb, me sittin there buck nekkid every body in joyus abandon.... ya know how ya just absent mindedly do things from time to time...... like ya might have somethin that kinda just needs adjusting........... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EYOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW That menthol don't just smell high.........IT'S HOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy new year ya'll Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The birds and the bees Message-ID: References: <19991228002045.01106.00001328@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 946361239 216.100.16.37 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:07:19 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:07:19 MST Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:13:52 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22506 Big Johnson, you take the cake for country boys, next to me, of course. In article <19991228002045.01106.00001328@ng-cj1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > Happy new year ya'll > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > Article 22507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3868B343.F3CFDE81@zzclinic.net> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:55:32 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Barry Birkey Subject: Re: BEE Careful References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net><3867BC60.2A581F0A@zzclinic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-52.clinic.net X-Trace: 28 Dec 1999 12:55:01 GMT, d-p2-52.clinic.net Lines: 40 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-52.clinic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22507 Barry Birkey wrote: > > Bill - > > You'll find the right info at this site: > http://www.kumite.com/myths/ > > -Barry Barry, That is where I check first. Here is the info from the MS site. Microsoft recently became aware of a new virus called "The BubbleBoy Virus," which is an Internet worm virus that requires Internet Explorer 5, and Microsoft Outlook 2000, Outlook 98 or Outlook Express. This virus can be embedded within e-mail messages in HTML format and does not contain any attachments. To date, the virus only exists in a laboratory setting and has not harmed any customers. Anyone receiving a message with the subject heading "BubbleBoy is back!" should delete it immediately and empty their Deleted Items folder. In Outlook 2000, you must open the e-mail message for the virus to spread; in Outlook 98 and Outlook Express the virus is activated if the Preview Pane is used. This is not a malicious virus, but will send itself to every address in every address book in Outlook. In August, Microsoft released a patch for Internet Explorer that eliminates security vulnerabilities in two ActiveX controls; this patch prevents the BubbleBoy virus from spreading. Bill -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:34:29 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3868D885.2AF665A9@midwest.net> References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net><3867BC60.2A581F0A@zzclinic.net> <3868B343.F3CFDE81@zzclinic.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22508 Bill Truesdell wrote: > Microsoft recently became aware of a new virus called "The BubbleBoy > Virus," > customers. Anyone receiving a message with the subject heading > "BubbleBoy is back!" should > delete it immediately and empty their Deleted Items folder. I *have* to ask. Why would anyone wanting to spread a computer virus place the name of the virus in the subject heading??? AL Article 22509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni01nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news3-muc.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:34:43 +0000 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22509 In New Zealand they cultivated Manuka, a "brush" very meliferous, does someone know where I can get (purchase) seeds to experiment in the Mediterranean (Europe). What's the scientific name of the Manuka, and where can I find more information about this plant, monographics, basic conditons for the soil... ------------- Familia. Geneus Species and var Article 22510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:50:34 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.250.163 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 946410928 38.31.250.163 (Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:55:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:55:28 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22510 You should be very careful and talk to someone in the proper field of discipline in the area you are planning to introduce these new plants. Just bringing in new plant species in your area because they do something desirable in a country thousands of miles away, can be very irresponsible; the planet is groaning under problems like that; flora and fauna being transported around and outside their natural place of development into other areas can devastate more delicate species in situ. You really should consider the new and growing awareness regarding this and think about the implications of a "planet of weeds." C.K. Article 22511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suburban beekeeping help Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:15:56 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Dec 1999 01:16:42 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Dec 28 17:25:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-004txdallp327.dialsprint.net Message-ID: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22511 Michael wrote: >I live in a Southern California beach town, about 20 miles south of >downtown L.A. and was wondering if it would be possible for me to >maintain a hive with relatively little "difficulty". > >If so, can somebody tell me what types of things to consider? Michael, a page on my website addresses suburban beekeeping. It is at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/citybees.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 22512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: wanderer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Record keeping for beekeeping Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:26:55 -0800 Organization: Uniserve Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38699B9E.BFD03CE1@uniserve.com> References: <385C8779.FEBAC046@uniserve.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: neptune.uniserve.ca!204.244.142.188 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22512 Hello Allen Thank you for the Tips, the Bee-L archive at the site mentioned below was very helpful. It indicates that the Beekeep information gathered comes in many forms and that lots of the information is collected voluntarily. Still researching the information within this site....; There have been a lot of efforts put into the record keeping industry ,according to the archives, but no real rewarding returns. This is what it feels like after spending multiple seasons record keeping and then storing the information into the breifcase until the following season. Shall continue the challenge of finding a market for this information for another outlet and financial gain for the Beekeep. > BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. > Sincerely John Martin Article 22513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: suburban beekeeping help Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:59:02 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 946458017 209.90.4.119 (Wed, 29 Dec 1999 03:00:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 03:00:17 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22513 John Caldeira wrote in message > > > Michael, a page on my website addresses suburban beekeeping. It is > at:> http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/citybees.htm > Good hints in general; I wonder though about the wording in one paragraph. "Strong colonies with good queens are most likely to swarm. Shouldn't it read "Least Likely to swarm"? John Article 22514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: suburban beekeeping help Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:06:49 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <83u205$13e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 29 Dec 1999 13:07:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Dec 29 05:15:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Lines: 24 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp277.dialsprint.net Message-ID: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22514 "John O'Brien" wrote: >John Caldeira wrote in message > > >> Michael, a page on my website addresses suburban beekeeping. It is >> at:> http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/citybees.htm >> >Good hints in general; I wonder though about the wording >in one paragraph. >"Strong colonies with good queens are most likely to swarm. >Shouldn't it read "Least Likely to swarm"? > >John Actually, strong colonies do, indeed, swarm MORE than weak ones or colonies with poor queens. Colonies tend to divide themselves when their populations are high. Queen age matters too, but I think that is also addressed on that web page. Thanks for your input. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 22515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Field Guide to bugs Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Dec 1999 03:28:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991229222856.15101.00002932@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22515 Can somebody recommend a definitive field guide for entemologists, especially to food crop and garden pests? I want to be able to identify which bugs are attacking which crops. Thanks in advance Article 22516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <386ADE9E.6A597F42@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Field Guide to bugs References: <19991229222856.15101.00002932@ng-fx1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:26:36 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-hbGCPlDbyeKCRl+WH79WBSyr0Rgi0dZ1TY7p+C9RYlF0pp1ickbc3r1L4cfik9sfwhbkp+rBzxAOKwi!YF1PQ2b31vQ8e/qKSbx5/tTF X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:25:02 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22516 JMitc1014 wrote: > > Can somebody recommend a definitive field guide for entemologists, especially > to food crop and garden pests? I want to be able to identify which bugs are > attacking which crops. Yo JMitchl014: Try "The Ortho Home Gardener's Problem Solver," ISBN 0-89721-255-X. IMHO, although it may offer more than you are looking for, the best of it's kind on the market at this time. Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 22517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dwayne Conyers" References: Subject: Re: !Bitte nicht vor Weihnachten oeffnen! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:30:42 -0500 Lines: 172 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture,fj.soc.culture,fj.soc.culture.chinese,no.kultur.film,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.couples.intercultural,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.a Path: news2.unc.edu!fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cnn.Princeton.EDU!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.sustainable.agriculture:23092 fj.soc.culture:754 fj.soc.culture.chinese:1239 sci.agriculture:39297 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22517 soc.couples.intercultural:72278 soc.culture.afghanistan:50048 soc.culture.african:83613 soc.culture.african.american:484908 soc.culture.arabic:92569 Run this through http://babelfish.altavista.com and translate into English, please... -- Dwayne "Roaring Lion" Conyers http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=EB00002253 http://dwacon.tripod.com "Axel van Almsick" wrote in message news:c9394f7349%aalmsick@Mondevana.com... > Saly, > > Ich bat: "Bitte nicht vor Weihnachten oeffnen!" > > Saly, > > Am 24. Dezember ist es mal wieder soweit. Es wird Weihnachten gefeiert. > Nur, wieso? > Weil die Kirche mitte des 4. Jahrhunderts es so mit folgender Begründung auswies: Die Empfängnis fand am Jahresanfang statt, damals der 25. März, > plus 9 Monate, ergibt den 25. Dezember. > Warum allerdings die Empfängnis exakt am Jahresanfang stattgefunden haben sollte, konnte niemand begründen. > Der 25. Dezember wurde also völlig willkürlich als Geburtstag Jesus festgesetzt - genausogut hätte man auch den 1. Mai oder den 17. Juni nehmen können. > Und in der Tat hat man in den Anfängen des Christentums statt des 25. Dezember auch verschiedene andere Tage wie den 6. Januar, den 28. März, den 20. April, den 20. Mai oder den 18. November als den Tag der Geburt Jesus gefeiert. > Es ist vielmehr so, das der etablierter heidnische (Seltsam, das die, die das Wort Nächstenliebe für sich verbuchen, Gläubige als Nichtgläubige beschimpfen) Feiertag "dies solis invicti natalis" (Sonnenwende) den Menschen nicht auszureden war. Verständlich. > Immerhin ist diese Tatsache jedes Jahr regelmäßig sichtbar am Himmel zu begutachten. Somit erledigte die Kirche 2 Sachen gleichzeit (Genauso wurden die Hebräer in der Gefangenschaft der Babylonier gezwungen, deren 7 Tage Woche zu akzeptieren: Sieben sichtbare Götter am Himmel: Mond, Merkur, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Sonne. So entstand auch die Schöpfungsgeschichte in 7 Tagen). > > Gegen den 25. Dezember spricht aber nicht nur diese Willkür, sondern auch das Wetter. Denn am Geburtsort Jesu, so der Evangelist Lukas, "lagerten Hirten auf freiem Feld und hielten Nachtwache bei ihrer Herde". > Aber im Dezember ist es auch in Palästina kalt, das Vieh bleibt in den Ställen. > > Der Evangelist Matthäus schrieb: "Als Jesu zur Zeit des Herodes (7-4 Jahre vor Christus) in Bethlehem in Judäa geboren war, kamen Sterndeuter aus dem Osten nach Jerusalem und fragten: Wo ist der neugeborene König der Juden? > Wir haben seinen Stern gesehen und sind gekommen, um ihn zu huldigen." > Aber seltsamerweise konnte außer den Sterndeuter selber niemand den Stern sehen, d.h. ein Komet oder eine Supernova scheinen damit ausgeschlossen > (falls man Matthäus wörtlich nehmen darf). > Auch Meteore oder andere kurzlebige Himmelsphänomene sind sehr unwahrscheinlich, denn die Weisen folgten ihrem Stern über eine längere Zeit hinweg: "Und der Stern, den sie hatten aufgehen sehen, zog vor ihnen her bis zu dem Ort, wo das Kind war; dort blieb er stehen." > Falls der Stern von Bethlehem also nicht erfunden oder eine Collage von mehreren zeitlich getrennten Objekten auf einmal war (Komet, Supernova, Meteor), spricht vieles für das folgende Szenario: Die Sterndeuter kamen aus dem Zweistromland Mesopotamien (wie auch die Schrift, die Astrologie, > der 360 °-Kreis, der 24-Stunden-Tag, die 7-Tage-Woche, der 28-Tagen-Monat), > mit seiner langen jüdischen Kulturgeschichte; dort hatten die Astrologen > schon lange auf die Ankunft des Messias gewartet. > Für das Jahr 7 vor Christus war ein Zusammenteffen von den Planeten Saturn und Jupiter in dem eng mit dem jüdischen Volk verbundenen Sternbild der Fische vorausgesagt, mit Jupiter als Glücksbringer und Saturn als Stern der Juden, > so das eine Interpretation dieses Ereignisse im Sinn der Prophezeiung > des Alten Testamentes durchaus nicht unwahrscheinlich ist. > Der Stern von Bethlehem war als eine dreimalige Konjunktion des Jahres 7 vor Christus am 29. Mai, am 29. September und am 4. Dezember zu beobachten. > Am 12. April gingen die Planeten zum erstenmal zusammen im Sternbild der Fische auf, die Sterndeuter hatten also genügend Zeit, die lange Reise vorzubereiten, und die Fische waren in den Sommernächten des Jahres 7 vor Christus gut zu sehen. Somit dürfte Jesus ein Sommerkind gewesen sein. > Und da im Juni ebenfalls ein etablierter heidnischer Feiertag existiert, > die 2. Sonnenwende im Jahr, wird demnächst Weihnachten im Sommer, > am 25. Juni, gefeiert. > So lasset uns lernen von den Australiern. > > Frohe Weihnachten! > > Übrigends, nirgends in der Bibel steht, das es drei Sterndeuter waren. Man schloss aus den drei Gaben - Weihrauch, Myrrhe, Gold - nicht ganz wasserdicht, das es so viele waren (Oder man hat wohl die so wichtige Zahl Drei in der christlichen Mythologie auf die Anbetung im Stall zu Bethlehem übertragen). Selbst die Namen erschienen zum ersten mal, 500 Jahre später, in einer in armenischer Sprache abgefaßten Kindheitsgeschichte Jesu: > Die Könige Melkon von Persien, Gaspar von Indien und Baltasar von Arabien. > Vorher war nie die Rede davon. > Matthäus, der als einziger von der Anbetung im Stall berichtete, erwähnte mit keiner Silbe, wie die Anbeter heißen, oder wieviele es überhaupt waren. > Auch Könige waren die Herren nie gewesen. In der Bibel ist nur von > "Weisen", "Magiern" bzw. "Sterndeuter" die Rede. > Zu Königen wurden die Sterndeuter erst in nachträglichen Interpretationen, > u.U. wegen einer mißverständlichen Übersetzung von "Magier" ("König" meinte zu Zeiten Jesu etwas ganz anderes als im Mittelalter, nämlich weit weiniger; > fast jeder Vasall der Römer war damals ein "König") oder aber aufgrund einer Prophezeiung aus dem Alten Testament, wo es heißt: > "Die Könige von Taris und auf den Inseln sollen Geschenke bringen..." > > Und von den "Heiligen Drei Könige" kann ebenso nicht die Rede sein. > Ein Heiliger oder eine Heilige muß von der Katholischen Kirche in einem Verfahren dazu erhoben werden, und ein solches Verfahren hat es für die Heiligen Drei Könige nie gegeben! > Nach der Anbetung seien sie auch in ihre Heimat, wahrscheinlich das Zweistromland Mesopotamien, zurückgehrt, so daß dort auch ihre Knochen liegen müßten. Was also suchten die Gebeine der Sterndeuter in Palästina, wo sie die Mutter des Kaisers aus Byzanz bei einer Pilgerfahrt gefunden haben soll und jetzt angeblich im Kölner Dom liegen? > > Auch der Kindermord zu Bethlehem hat niemals stattgefunden. > Die Legende vom Kindermord ist genau das: eine Legende. > Außer Matthäus erwähnte dies niemand. Selbst in zeitgenössischen Chroniken und Quellen ist diese selbst für damalige Zeiten ungewöhnliche Barbarei nicht aufgeführt. Auch der jüdische Geschichtsschreiber Flavius Josephus, der rund 100 Jahre später lebte und in seiner vielbändigen Geschichte des jüdischen Volkes kaum ein gutes Haar an Herodes läßt, erwähnt die Morde nicht. > Aber das sind nicht die einzigen Gründe, die Darstellung von Matthäus anzuzweifeln. Herodes starb im Jahr 4 vor Christus, und wenn wir zugestehen, das Jesus nicht im Jahre 0 (1) geboren wurde, war Herodes damals doch schon an die 70 Jahre alt; vor neugeborenen Säuglingen hatte er vermutlich wenig Angst. Außerdem war er kein unumschränkter Herrscher, sondern Vasall des Kaisers Augustus, und dieser behielt sich die Bestätigng aller Todesurteile vor. > Und Exzesse wie den Kindermord in Bethlehem hätte Augustus nie geduldet - > 10 Jahre nach dem Tod des Herodes setzte er dessen Nachfolger wegen weitaus geringerer Vergehen einfach ab. > Matthäus hat diese Mordgeschichte also höchstwahrscheinlich frei erfunden, vermutlich, um die Bedeutung des Messias zu betonen. Denn solche mißglückten Attentate werden seit jeher vielen Großen der Weltgeschichte im nachhinein gern angedichtet als literarische Umschreibung für die Bedeutung des intendierten Opfers, um dann auf wundersame Weise einem fingierten Mordanschlag zu entgehen. > > Somit wird also unnötig unter anderem wieder einmal am 25. Dezember gnadenlos hingemordet. Obwohl die Natur unseren Köper auf den Winter einstellt hat > und wir uns nicht zu mästen brauchen. > Auch wenn es damals in den Wintermonaten es sehr kalt und trostlos in vielen Wohnungen aussah und daher empfindsame Menschen Tannenzweige mit in diese nahmen um es gemütlicher aussehen zu lassen, ist es kein Grund, > das "tote" Menschen einen lebendigen Baum abholzen, > um ihn bei lebendigen Leibe in der Wohnung auszutrocknen. > Und wehe, er verliert auch nur eine Nadel auf deren Teppisch, > dann wird er augenblicklich mißachtend auf die Straße befördert. > > Ein frohes "Fest der Liebe". > > G^is tiam, > > Axel > -- > Die Tage werden trist, der Freund ist nichts, > kauf dir ein Buch und wirf´s ihm ins Genick! > http://www.Mondevana.com / Vendejo de Libroj kaj Komikoj / Info@Mondevana.com > Mondevana Niedenhof 16a 51429 Bergisch Gladbach 049 / 2204 / 946501 > > Article 22518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net><3867BC60.2A581F0A@zzclinic.net> <3868B343.F3CFDE81@zzclinic.net> Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:08:54 -0500 Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.234 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.234 Message-ID: <386bab90_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 30 Dec 1999 13:59:28 -0500, 209.222.109.234 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.unc.edu!fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.234 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22518 Greetings! Everyone should know that an antivirus program like McAfee must bee installed on their hard-drive. Plain and simple procedure. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Bill Truesdell wrote in message news:3868B343.F3CFDE81@zzclinic.net... > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > Bill - > > > > You'll find the right info at this site: > > http://www.kumite.com/myths/ > > > > -Barry > > Barry, > > That is where I check first. Here is the info from the MS site. > > Microsoft recently became aware of a new virus called "The BubbleBoy > Virus," which is an Internet > worm virus that requires Internet Explorer 5, and Microsoft Outlook > 2000, Outlook 98 or Outlook > Express. This virus can be embedded within e-mail messages in HTML > format and does not contain > any attachments. To date, the virus only exists in a laboratory setting > and has not harmed any > customers. Anyone receiving a message with the subject heading > "BubbleBoy is back!" should > delete it immediately and empty their Deleted Items folder. In Outlook > 2000, you must open the > e-mail message for the virus to spread; in Outlook 98 and Outlook > Express the virus is activated if > the Preview Pane is used. This is not a malicious virus, but will send > itself to every address in > every address book in Outlook. > > In August, Microsoft released a patch for Internet Explorer that > eliminates security vulnerabilities in > two ActiveX controls; this patch prevents the BubbleBoy virus from > spreading. > > Bill > > -- > If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.unc.edu!fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie question Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:55:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22519 Hi all! We got our "starter kit" all put together last month. Looking forward to ordering our bees soon. My question would be to keepers in northern areas. All the books I have read state that for winter you need to have all the supers off leaving the double hive bodies for brood and honey storage. After having located local hives we do drive-bys to see what they have done for their bees. We are located in Massachusetts and travel in NY quite a bit also. With one exception all the hives we have seen have as many as 5 supers stacked. No winter work such as tar paper has been applied either. What do you all think? Why would they still have the supers on and how will that effect the hives? Jenn Article 22520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@metalab.unc.edu (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: 30 Dec 1999 18:12:03 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <84gos3$mfn@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <3868B343.F3CFDE81@zzclinic.net> <386bab90_1@news.cybertours.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu X-Trace: news2.unc.edu 946595524 29584 152.2.22.14 (30 Dec 1999 23:12:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 1999 23:12:04 GMT Xref: news2.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22520 In article <386bab90_1@news.cybertours.com>, Midnitebee wrote: >Greetings! >Everyone should know that an antivirus program like McAfee must bee >installed on their hard-drive. Plain and simple procedure. Just a nugget: If you run a Posix type OS, (linux, UNIX, Free BSD, etc.) you don't need the above antivirius binaries. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam J. Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Article 22521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE Careful Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:00:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <84gn5k$13r$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <847pn7$fl7$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22521 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >If you're having spam problems, there are many anti-spam strategies on the >net. Look around. >Adam I like spam. Nobody else will write me. Hell, I bid on stuff on Ebay that I don't even want because Ebay sends me a confirmation. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "bill" Subject: winter bees Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:41:33 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa05 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22522 How are your bees doing this winter so far. IN central Pa. winter has been kind of mild only got in the teens a few nights. Put a tarps around to block the wind. Looks like today might be warm, maby they will move around today. Bill Article 22523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!novia!uunet!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1999 01:23:10 GMT References: <84856v$pol$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991230202310.13607.00000222@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22523 >I live in West Central Indiana, Terre Haute, and have been infested heavily >by yellow jackets Dear Richard, Greetings from NW Florida. Before we started keeping bees I considered yellow jackets as my friends. They eat caterpillars that infest our garden. But I have wiped out their underground nests because my son was allergic to their stings. Before daylight I poured gasoline into their nest and lit it. Then I sat nearby with gasoline in a one gallon garden sprayer and sprayed when the fire began to die down so I could burn most of the ones that flew out. (You need to wash out the sprayer afterward and run some vegetable oil through it or the gas will ruin the seals.) After plenty of spraying, I let the fire go out, pour some more gasoline down the hole, cover with plastic to help keep the fumes in. and leave it until the next day. Then I go back and dig up the nest. The last one I eliminated was so big I could stick the entire length of a shovel into it. Found multiple circular condos of cells but very few live yellow jackets, and the nest never re-established. Of course this procedure is best done if the nest is on your own property! LOL My neighbor has one now but so far they have not caused much trouble for our two hives of bees. We ordered the bees with queens this spring and both hives are very strong. That seems to be the best way to handle the yellow jacket problem. Hope this helps. Herb Campbell Article 22524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT - Y2K for the last time Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:05:30 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <386C55BA.AC900332@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22524 Hey Kev, Not long ago you said you were planning to guard your garden from the hoards of invading yanks when the Y2K bug chased 'em from the cities. Just checkin' in to see if you're on guard duty this weekend:) AL Article 22525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Happy New Year Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:57:21 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 14 Message-ID: <84j6n1$4oc$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.232.221 X-Trace: 946675233 1NNUCNF1GE8DDC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22525 Dear ng Thanks for the enjoyable and informative reading over the year You have been quite a discovery Ive just snapped the crown board of my hives to wish them a happy New Year They are clustered nicely and I dont expect to see them again till at least the end of March No sign of any millennium bugs either although the bright cold weather recently tempted out some foragers to their inevitable cost I wish you all the best for yourselves and your beekeeping Chris Article 22526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4-h beekeeping,program Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:03:34 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.234 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.234 Message-ID: <386baa4f_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 30 Dec 1999 13:54:07 -0500, 209.222.109.234 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni01nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.234 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22526 Greetings! We received this message in our guestbook; Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: Oneida TN> Time: 1999-12-29 22:35:00 Comments: I am creating A 4-h beekeeping,program for children in scott co. if anyone would like to help us out we would sure appreciate it send an email message to us at CGjeffers@highland.net CGjeffers@highland.net Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer"