Article 28434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:10:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 02:10:24 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.104 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28434 > Charlie Culver wrote: > Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this > would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back > yard that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years). *********************************************************** Howdy Charlie -- Asuming that you do have honey bees: A few definitions may help you describe better to us what you have. A colony is a family of bees no matter where they live. It may be a hollow tree, in a wall, or in a box made for them. A hive is a box of some sort (usually wood) built for the purpose of housing a colony. If you really do have a hive, just contact a beekeeper and give it to them. If it is a colony in a hollow tree, just leave it alone. We need them for pollination. They are not likely to bother you unless you meddle with them (such as applying stinky stuff). Let us hear from you. Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fischer's Bee-Quick Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.20.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 980995554 12.81.20.91 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:45:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28435 My bees tell me James Fischer wrote: >On an unrelated topic, we are happy to announce that Dadant (USA) >and Thorne (UK) are now carrying Fischer's Bee-Quick, which may >be of interest to those who are unhappy with their present honey >harvesting methods. Check it out at http://www.bee-quick.com . >If you were at either of the recent AHPA or ABF meetings, and >neglected to get your free sample from the Dadant representatives, >send an e-mail to the address listed on the website. James , I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is superior to benzaldehyde. Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. Any comments? Article 28436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78D4E0.93EEF1A5@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 X-Trace: +r2ablonth4t2JheYzOR4pX/QUvn0LcQIl2JWV9Wkn4ZQgFVaCAfQSTkBhl6dL0ZHC36EWhdSKJw!kmDboUo7V6e1cviQ+KBDIlz+7dbeT/x/koWOU0TRnzho+82+d/LFl7+j9oTD X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:15:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:15:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28436 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:244 It sounds kind of like tracheal mites. Did you treat your hives with menthol crystals? If you did then what time in the fall? I live in Indiana and I treat my hives about the first week of August. Menthol needs warm temps in order for it to work. I suggest going to Midnite Bee's web pages and read Dr. Imiries Pink Pages. I must for new beekeepers in my estimation. Scott Franklin wrote: > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > > This happened this year and seemingly last year. > > I am new to beekeeping and have one hive of bees, I live in CA north of > Sacramento. Winters are chilly but not freezing. I have the hive in a > location that gets great morning and evening sun with some shade during the > day and there are trees on both sides that create a great wind break > > My bees have all left their hive(or died). I did not inspect the hive much > during the winter because I did not want to disturb the bees during the > wintering process. My situation is that our house is on an ant hill. I did > notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out > mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered > gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). > Currently around the hive I can visibly see no dead bees (but they may have > been blown away by the wind). > > I opened the hive, saw a full super of honey, (my little super I emptied > back in October), and on the bottom level there are a few capped egg cells > and some cells that have semi mature bees partially crawling out of it. It > bees are dead and appear normal in color. Does anyone have any ideas as to > what might bee wrong? This happen last year it seems but in the spring, a > new hive (I think it was new) moved in to the bee box with a full stash of > honey. Am I paranoid? Did the bees die? Did they migrate? Was it > disease? > > Please post all responses to the news group...not my email...maybe my > circumstance can help others....thanks > > Scott Article 28437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78D707.A01B7BFF@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 X-Trace: /bdhN9UIiQYepNGL6y6sfcNbQEPtoTzhxYxljpA2TNnFKkWK6xdsst+EmgAAq/1L2oQ+55NPq0xr!BQJOxTBnMFfYNKQN1O5lMKPsjnGexPMzz2Kz/uYxMKeWjUJlePlQfD/+XXAT X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:24:36 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:24:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28437 Hi Charlie, Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > I live in Northwest Indiana > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. > >Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > So you are saying you used the EpiPen on yourself after your head swelled up, > or you just being prepared for the next time you may be stung? If you used > the EpiPen after you swelled up, did the swelling go away as fast as it > occurred? > No I went to my doc first and got the old shot in the rear. I got the Epi Pen > for next time, just in case. > Did you have to buy two EpiPen prescriptions meaning after you used the first > one to counter the allergic reaction you've described, and another to keep in > case you're stung again? If that's the case you really spent $48. > > lastly, is there more than one treatment in an EpiPen Injector? (kit) > No- only one pen per prescription. I believe the injector has to be used with in > one to two years. > C.K. Article 28438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen in January Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:07:52 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 27 Message-ID: <95amgo$ql1$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> References: <955ihp$9cg$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> <20010130231043.07518.00001989@ng-fc1.aol.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.9b X-Server-Date: 1 Feb 2001 03:51:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28438 It can't be my Camellias the deer chewed all the leaves off the bushes just before Christmas. I will take a look in the woods to see if I can find anything blooming. > Dark orange is probably something in the mint family, henbit or anise > hyssop, maybe. Pale yellow is likely wild mustard, canola or blooming collards. > Pale gray-green is probably maple. Everything is running late this year due to > the unusual cold, but the pollen is starting to come in now, here in SC. > > It will be quite a while before pines bloom. Camelias are just starting, but > they are a very minor source. My own camelia usually starts blossoming around > Christmas, but so far has only opened one blossom. It's loaded with buds > though. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A78FB08.FBCA2D46@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:58:32 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 980999408 208.235.28.75 (Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:50:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:50:08 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28439 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. I pay $9 (insurance co-pay) for two EpiPens and get the prescription without a Dr appt. I tell the nurses at the front desk I keep honeybees and they chase down the doc for the paperwork. I've been doing this for the last 3 years and, thanks to this thread, just now noticed these things have two refills each - that'll save me a trip to the Dr office this year. I *am* curious about the perceived need for an EpiPen because of swelling. That does not strike me as the appropriate remedy. AL Article 28440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.244!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:14:37 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A78D707.A01B7BFF@gte.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981004478 17255042 216.167.138.244 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28440 >Hi Charlie, Hi, Chad. You didn't answer my questions. C.K. Article 28441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:04:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A7950D2.F4C0B298@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28441 Hi Charlie, If they are honey bees and even if you are not sure, then contact a local beekeeper. He/She will be able to give you better advice on how to get ride of them. They may try to collect them for themselves. There could be a beekeeping club in your area, they will assist you in getting in contact with someone. It is to difficult to answer that type of question when you are not there in person. Kent Stienburg Article 28442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:27:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3a795584.209508897@news1.radix.net> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28442 On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:09:49 -0500, Charlie Culver wrote: >Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this >would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back yard >that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years, according to >the previous owners). So now it's really big and there are a bunch of >bees around. I want to get rid of the hive without being stung 132 >times. I've been searching for answers to this for a couple days, and a >lot of people I've casually talked to about this have mentioned a >product that, when sprayed on the hive, will smell so horrendous that >the bees have to get out. They said it smells like human vomit or >something. Can anyone tell me what this is, and any precautions I should >take when I do use it? > > Thanks, > Charlie Culver > Pay a profesional and have the job done right. Appling bee go probably won't work, the smell will last damn near forever, and they may just decide to move into your house. You only get what you pay for. Getting hobbyist to play with them for free can be a big mistake. If you go the cheap route, keep us posted as we all need a good laugh now and then. beekeep Article 28443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:18:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <95bk65$e3s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.163 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 12:18:17 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.163 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28443 In article <95agib$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > > Charlie Culver wrote: > > Hello. I am not a beekeeper, but I have a bee problem. I figured this > > would be the place to ask. There is a fairly large hive in my back > > yard that has been there for a really long time (about 5 years). > > *********************************************************** > > Howdy Charlie -- > > A colony is a family of bees no matter where they live. It may be a > hollow tree, in a wall, or in a box made for them. > > If it is a colony in a hollow tree, just leave it alone. > We need them for pollination. They are not likely to bother you unless you meddle with them (such as applying stinky stuff). > > Let us hear from you. Hi Charlie, You really need to give us more information before we can give you any advice beyond the good advice Pete has already given you. Where are the critters located in your yard? What are they in? Where are you located? If you give your city some beekeeper reading this may come over and take a look at them. The stinky stuff you're talking about is Bee-Go, that's one brand available from Bee equipment supply houses. It might keep a swarm from selecting a certain location for their permanent home, but I doubt that it would make a colony move. Especially one that's been there 5 years. Have you tried locating a local beekeeper or the state bee inspector? Herb NW FLA USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 04:27:43 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 73 Message-ID: <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-583.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28444 Mark said: > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > superior to benzaldehyde. If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > Any comments If your nose cannot detect much difference between Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect you to be able to detect any "improvement". Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, you are the first to offer this view. All other opinions have been very positive. But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside a building you care about." But, your own sense of smell is not something you can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, all I can offer is: a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat shipping fees. The other two do. b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. No gloves or goggles required. c) You can test for yourself which "works better". d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it for a full refund, just like the label says. (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before you decide? Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free samples so that you can make up your mind at OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the other guys"! jim Article 28445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:46:41 -0500 Lines: 86 Message-ID: <95c3tj$gsgqf$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981046003 17711951 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28445 All I can say is where's my FREE SAMPLE! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "James Fischer" wrote in message news:95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com... > Mark said: > > > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make > it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > > > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > > superior to benzaldehyde. > > If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to > both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far > below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all > about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > > > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > > Any comments > > If your nose cannot detect much difference between > Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect > you to be able to detect any "improvement". > Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, > you are the first to offer this view. All other > opinions have been very positive. > > But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name > ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, > here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about > the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text > at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) > > "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of > human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life > of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the > smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are > repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, > don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go > containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside > a building you care about." > > But, your own sense of smell is not something you > can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, > all I can offer is: > > a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat > shipping fees. The other two do. > > b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. > No gloves or goggles required. > > c) You can test for yourself which "works better". > > d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply > won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) > > e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it > for a full refund, just like the label says. > (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) > > f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before > you decide? > > Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free > samples so that you can make up your mind at > OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the > other guys"! > > jim > Article 28446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79A960.24E7A62D@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind References: <3A78D4E0.93EEF1A5@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:19:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com 981051592 65.0.212.206 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:19:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:19:52 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28446 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:245 This is what the internet is so good for, I see something totally different than mites. I have seen, in my area NorCal, mainly empty hives do to ants. we have those tiny little black ants that bees hate. I get hives absconding because the ant's are robbing them blind. I wouldn't have even thought mites, just because in NorCal we don't have a winter really, so absconding on a warm day doesn't shock me. There is a decent flow here all year long, I just pulled supers off for Oct-Dec. If there aren't a lot of dead bees in the hive, I'd just assume the ants pissed them off. I have seen bees leave in a matter of hours after the ants get to them. It's been really warm this year and the bees haven't shutdown at all, mine are flying right now at 10 am. Good luck, Mike Mt. Diablo Beekeepers Chad Howell wrote: > It sounds kind of like tracheal mites. Did you treat your hives with menthol > crystals? If you did then what time in the fall? I live in Indiana and I treat > my hives about the first week of August. Menthol needs warm temps in order for > it to work. I suggest going to Midnite Bee's web pages and read Dr. Imiries Pink > Pages. I must for new beekeepers in my estimation. > > Scott Franklin wrote: > > > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > > > > This happened this year and seemingly last year. > > > > I am new to beekeeping and have one hive of bees, I live in CA north of > > Sacramento. Winters are chilly but not freezing. I have the hive in a > > location that gets great morning and evening sun with some shade during the > > day and there are trees on both sides that create a great wind break > > > > My bees have all left their hive(or died). I did not inspect the hive much > > during the winter because I did not want to disturb the bees during the > > wintering process. My situation is that our house is on an ant hill. I did > > notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out > > mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered > > gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). > > Currently around the hive I can visibly see no dead bees (but they may have > > been blown away by the wind). > > > > I opened the hive, saw a full super of honey, (my little super I emptied > > back in October), and on the bottom level there are a few capped egg cells > > and some cells that have semi mature bees partially crawling out of it. It > > bees are dead and appear normal in color. Does anyone have any ideas as to > > what might bee wrong? This happen last year it seems but in the spring, a > > new hive (I think it was new) moved in to the bee box with a full stash of > > honey. Am I paranoid? Did the bees die? Did they migrate? Was it > > disease? > > > > Please post all responses to the news group...not my email...maybe my > > circumstance can help others....thanks > > > > Scott Article 28447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 10:22:42 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 40 Message-ID: <95c9hi013ej@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <95c3tj$gsgqf$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-855.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28447 "BeeFarmer" says... > All I can say is where's my FREE SAMPLE! Dadant was handing them out on our behalf at the recent ABF and AHPA meetings in Texas and California. Everyone who attended and stopped by their booth got one. A wise beekeeper who wanted a free sample might want to consider attending the state-level and other major beekeeping meetings nearest their home. An astute beekeeper would make a point of telling us when and where their next state beekeeper's meeting will be by going to http://www.bee-quick.com, and clicking on "E-mail us". If you stop and think about it, EVERY bottle is a potential "free sample" of sorts, because the product is backed by the simple guarantee of a full refund. If you don't like it, you get your money back, no hassle, no nonsense, no Spanish Inqusition. If we give away too many bottles, Dadant won't sell any of the ones they bought from us, and they will drop me headfirst into their giant wax-melting vat! (It is an impressive toy to see - about 15 feet high, and perhaps 6 feet around. One can smell the wax for roughly 500 yards in all directions around their plant.) jim Article 28448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79BEE3.5A9E4620@bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bee And Overwintering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:54:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 981057103 147.226.103.50 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:51:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:51:43 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28448 Will a hive overwinter without a queen? I keep 20 colonies in Indiana and lost one hive. This hive seemed to not cluster like the others when inspected in November before it got cold. Whether queenless or not I do not know for sure. Thanks, Dale Article 28449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!finch!hubcap.clemson.edu!not-for-mail From: Charlie Culver Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:15:26 -0500 Organization: Clemson University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> References: <3A78A94D.5A27FC52@clemson.edu> <3A7950D2.F4C0B298@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172-16-20-91.generic.clemson.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hubcap.clemson.edu 981062142 13015 172.16.20.91 (1 Feb 2001 21:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hubcap.clemson.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2001 21:15:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28449 What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I need, don't worry about anything else :) Thanks again, Charlie kent stienburg wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > If they are honey bees and even if you are not sure, then contact a > local beekeeper. He/She will be able to give you better advice on how > to get ride of them. They may try to collect them for themselves. There > could be a beekeeping club in your area, they will assist you in getting > in contact with someone. It is to difficult to answer that type of > question when you are not there in person. > > Kent Stienburg Article 28450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 X-Trace: +r2ablonth+W/cK/jYlRhrckBEcEFKtxJGX66VAO63vmbY6TXVhY8fvWGVBJ878dvL21FwQmieiW!oZyL3S+LNyb3dSVdJ05DMBJeYqG8nBjRf5u1LW3Yod7ZBRXWenv5j+Gu0B2X7Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:45:05 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:45:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28450 Hi Charlie, My answers where hidden in your text, sorry about that. I live in Northwest Indiana. I didn't use it on myself yet. My doc wrote the prescription and told me to keep it with me just in case. I only got one pen with my prescription and it's a one time use. The problem with being stung in the head is that there isn't much meat to absorb the venom so your body fights it and it just stays in that spot. That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. Chad Howell Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > >me $24.00 > > I don't know where you are geographically speaking, as GTE.NET is rather > secretive of their whereabouts. However, in 1992 in Amarillo, TX. that > prescription would have cost you $60 and a time limit regarding effectiveness. > > I suppose if you 'have' a doctor he can call in a prescription thus avoiding > the 'office call' but in '92 an office call for the same region would have set > you back 30 to 50 bucks. I guess the manufactures of EpiPen must have > recovered their development cost and lowered the price. > > >Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > > So you are saying you used the EpiPen on yourself after your head swelled up, > or you just being prepared for the next time you may be stung? If you used > the EpiPen after you swelled up, did the swelling go away as fast as it > occurred? > > Did you have to buy two EpiPen prescriptions meaning after you used the first > one to counter the allergic reaction you've described, and another to keep in > case you're stung again? If that's the case you really spent $48. > > lastly, is there more than one treatment in an EpiPen Injector? (kit) > > C.K. Article 28451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:58:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <95ct7b$m52$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.62 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 01 23:58:39 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.62 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28451 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:246 In article , "Scott Franklin" wrote: > I need some help and some thoughts on my situation. > I did notice some ants early in winter hanging around the hive so I put out mothballs about 2 - 4 feet around the hive. (Mothballs I have discovered gets rid of ants very well, they don't like the smell or something). ... > Scott, mothballs are very toxic to bees. Just a thought but maybe the odor drove them away. Moth crystals (Paradichlorobenzene) are okay for bees and would probably work just as well for ants. Herb NW Fla Usa > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Feb 2001 00:16:39 GMT References: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee problem Message-ID: <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28452 >What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I >need, don't worry about anything else :) > Thanks again, > Charlie > I won't mince words with you. You asked people who care about bees and care about your safety. You recieved good advice. The chemical you are looking for won't do the job. Stop being an idiot. Tom Article 28453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> From: Barry Meltzer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 50 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:46:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.21.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 981078373 24.128.21.130 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:46:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:46:13 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28453 I guess my biggest concern is about my kids and wife. Do I, as a hobbyist with 2 hives in the back yard expose them to enough 'stuff' to sensitize them? I get stung once in a while and from prior threads, this should keep me in good shape. We are getting the Epi-Pens anyway, but I was just wondering how careful I should be about them. While I don't think they would be too fond of getting intentionally stung, we could get them tested. In general, I would rather not inflict an unneeded allergy on them if I could help it. Thanks, Barry Chad Howell wrote: > I'm a hobby beekeeper with 4 colonies. I was stung a few weeks ago right square in > the forehead. My head swelled like a balloon. Any ways, getting back to what you > need to carry. My doctor prescribed an EpiPen Auto Injector made by Dey. It cost > me $24.00. Well worth it considering I missed two days of work. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > >Does this phenomenon occur with hobbyist beekeepers as well as > > >commercial ones? > > > > Yes, and the worst allergic reaction is: > > > > anaphylactic shock > > > > A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a > > substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to > > which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure > > > > note: 'sensitized by previous exposure.' > > > > If you're worried carry one of those 'kits.' In the USA, a doctor has to > > prescribe it, and it will cost about as much as the office call probably in > > the range of 100 USD plus, the last I looked; if you live close to Canada or > > Mexico, go to either of those places instead, why be a sap. > > > > I've been interested in this phenomenon of bee venom in male sperm and the > > dangers it apparently poses to sexual partners that may be 'allergic' to bee > > stings. I'm in correspondence with a woman who's married to a California > > 'commercial' beekeeper that used to get stung a lot (hundreds of times a year) > > and she developed anaphylaxis, almost dying and the doctor(s) couldn't figure > > it out until they investigated the possibilities and peculiarities regarding > > her husband and his excessive bee stings. When I know more I'll post the > > results. > > > > C.K. Article 28454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Zebra Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:37:40 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28454 My sister is a beekeeper and told me skunks have discovered her hives. They scratch the front na dht eguard bees come out to see what's going on and get eaten. Apparently they can't sting thru the fur or are just too sluggish in winter. Any suggestions for her? She is in Indiana. TIA, Liz Article 28455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.20.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 981082574 12.81.20.88 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 02:56:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28455 My bees tell me James Fischer wrote: >> I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, >> and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > >There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, which smells the same as benzaldehyde. I am anxious to try it but will have to wait for warmer weather. I salute you for your sample promotion and hope it is as good as you say. Article 28456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7A251E.FC73528F@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:11:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.190.1 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 981083485 209.226.190.1 (Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:11:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:11:25 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28456 A nail board may help. Hammer nails through a peice of plywood or 1" board, in a grid pattern, about 2" apart. The skunk is vulnerable on its belly to stings, this way it cant lie in front. The other is to raise the hive about 8+" up off the ground, the skunk will have to stand on its hind legs then, and again be vulnerable. Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries Zebra wrote: > My sister is a beekeeper and told me skunks have discovered her hives. > They scratch the front na dht eguard bees come out to see what's going > on and get eaten. Apparently they can't sting thru the fur or are > just too sluggish in winter. Any suggestions for her? She is in > Indiana. > TIA, Liz Article 28457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m10-12.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:03:21 -0700 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m10-12.bctel.ca (209.53.228.12) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981086654 17292613 209.53.228.12 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28457 > >> I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > >> and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > > >There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, which smells the same as benzaldehyde. I am anxious to try it... The other day I was talking to the buyer at our co-op and he chanced to comment on this very product, saying that they had put it through tests and that it smelled like benzaldehyde and looked the same as benzaldehyde on the gas chromatograph, but had a much higher spike. In fact he said the spike was so high it went right off the top. He had therefore concluded that the product must be essentially benzaldehyde and could leave residues that would be judged to be benzaldehyde by honey buyers. He therefore had decided against purchasing it for resale to beekeepers. Inasmuch as his supplies sales service area covers 1/3 of all the honey production in Canada, and is linked to another quarter or so he is a significant buyer, and influential. Since our co-op operates a pretty good honey lab and markets honey worldwide, it is very sensitive to any product that could contaminate honey and result in condemned or returned shipments. They now advise us as to smoker fuels to avoid and of practices that can lead to honey contamination. Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. After reading the post this morning by James Fischer denying =any= benzaldehyde content (I would assume this denial applies to natural source oil of almonds) and referring us to a credible-looking web page where we are told that the product will not produce residues in honey, I remembered that chance conversation and called the buyer to ask for more detail. He seemed interested and will certainly take another look. Nonetheless the problem with packers, inspectors and consumers looking for and finding things -- even benign substances in minuscule quantities -- in honey and other foods is a problem we all need to take very seriously. I don't know where things will wind up as food analysis gets more and more sophisticated. It is at the point now where even the background natural constituents of totally natural honey are being questioned. I wonder if the subtlety of detection techniques has now taken us beyond the wisdom available to those applying them. I'll be interested to see how this product works out, because we all need a safe, effective repellent. I refuse to us N-butyric anhydride, and a good repellent could save me a lot of time, since we are now using abandonment almost exclusively. Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has not been endorsed by our provincial and federal regulators and by my largest buyer. The mystery with regard to the ingredients and lack of official endorsement currently prohibits our using Bee-Quick, but I will be hoping that this product will prove effective and be approved. allen Article 28458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 20:21:09 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 19 Message-ID: <95dcjl01n5r@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-956.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28458 Mark said: > Then it must contain oil of bitter almonds, Nope, wrong again. > which smells the same as benzaldehyde. Could it be possible that everything smells different to you, perhaps from inhaling too much Bee-Go? :) > I am anxious to try it but will have > to wait for warmer weather. I salute > you for your sample promotion and > hope it is as good as you say. Thanks! Article 28459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 1 Feb 2001 21:25:40 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 123 Message-ID: <95dgck024ig@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-436.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28459 Allen Dick said: > on the gas chromatograph, but had a much higher spike. > In fact he said the spike was so high it went right > off the top. Yes, it has a very good "spike". It has an impossibly good spike. That should be a big fat clue to your chemist. > and could leave residues Well, so can Apistan if it is misused. Do they reject Apistan using the same logic? If not, why not? Nearly anything that is not a bee, including a smoker, carries the risk of detectable honey contamination if misused. The issue of residues is a difficult one to address, since everyone fears that their prudent use might result in the same contamination that was detected as a result of mis-use. No matter how many controlled tests one might do, people will still be paranoid, perhaps rightly so. All we can do is ask people to give it a try. We expect that the much smaller amount required to drive the bees, and the shorter exposure time that the fume board spends on the hive will reduce the chance of contamination to near zero. > Since our co-op operates a pretty good honey > lab and markets honey worldwide, it is very > sensitive to any product that could contaminate > honey and result in condemned or returned shipments. > They now advise us as to smoker fuels to avoid and > of practices that can lead to honey contamination. What do they say about PDB and honey comb? There's some serious contamination to worry about, and there are existing legit studies to prove that the contamination is real and common. > Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric > anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. > Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. Well, then you are then stuck with blowing bees. No, wait... you can't do that - you will have possible contamination by 2-Cycle engine fumes! Gosh, is all of Canada stuck with shaking and brushing, or stumbling around in the dark over hoped-to-be "abandoned" supers? >I remembered that chance conversation and called the >buyer to ask for more detail. He seemed interested >and will certainly take another look. We'd love to speak with him too. If nothing else, it looks like that lab might become the sight of a showdown/bakeoff between the three products. >Nonetheless the problem with packers, inspectors and >consumers looking for and finding things -- even >benign substances in minuscule quantities -- in >honey and other foods is a problem we all need to take >very seriously. I don't know where things will wind up >as food analysis gets more and more sophisticated. >It is at the point now where even the background natural >constituents of totally natural honey are being questioned. >I wonder if the subtlety of detection techniques has >now taken us beyond the wisdom available to those >applying them. A very astute point. For example, I could make the case that my fireplace is a massive risk to health and the safety of my entire family, as follows: Wood is cellulose, and burning it will produce "loose" carbons and four hydrogens, making methane. Two carbons and 6 hydrogens can chance together to form ethane. Three carbons and 8 hydrogens form propane. Four carbons and 10 hydrogens is butane. Five carbons is pentane, 6 is hexane, 7 makes heptane. Eight carbons and 18 hydrogens is octane. All are produced when I burn a simple log in the fire. What am I burning? In a chemist's view, GASOLINE!!! Oh dear, will my fireplace explode like a car wreck in the movies? No, but this is exactly the thought process I see being applied to nearly everything. One wonders how the human race survived before all the "safety specialists" came along. >I'll be interested to see how this product works out, >because we all need a safe, effective repellent. If your lab would do a test, they might be surprised at how little is required to drive bees, and might thereby be able to say that it is "safe when used prudently", or at least "safer than other repellent options available". >Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has >not been endorsed by our provincial and federal >regulators The plan was to take things "one country at a time", and work with each regulatory scheme in turn. To be honest, we are slogging through the European Union regulations now, and would love an excuse to quit for a while. But we'd love to work with your lab, to support their efforts. Contact me off-list please, if you wish to discuss it further. jim Article 28460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m05-67.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:32:00 -0700 Lines: 96 Message-ID: <95e998$g2b60$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> <2r7k7t0jaq7vh06on1r674l1lkeljt4ah7@4ax.com> <95dbjt$gfna5$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <95dgck024ig@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m05-67.bctel.ca (207.102.216.67) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981117033 16854208 207.102.216.67 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28460 `> > and could leave residues > > Well, so can Apistan if it is misused. > Do they reject Apistan using the same logic? > If not, why not? Apistan has known constituents and is also considered essential for bee survival at this time -- a necessary evil. Moreover I have not heard of Apistan residues in honey leading to rejection of product in spite of its widespread use -- and misuse. > All we can do is ask people to give it a try. > We expect that the much smaller amount required > to drive the bees, and the shorter exposure > time that the fume board spends on the hive > will reduce the chance of contamination to > near zero. Good` Once that is verified by independant testers, we will have confidence in the product. > What do they say about PDB and honey comb? There's > some serious contamination to worry about, and there > are existing legit studies to prove that the contamination > is real and common. We don't use it in this part of Canada. We have COLD winters > > Products like Liquid Smoke are verboten and N-butyric > > anhydride is now getting very careful scrutiny. > > Benzaldehde is also a cause of worry. > Gosh, is all of Canada stuck with shaking > and brushing, or stumbling around in the dark over > hoped-to-be "abandoned" supers? No, Butyric is commonly used, but has recently been found in unacceptable amounts in some honey, leading to product rejection. (Misuse of the product was the established cause). Abandonment is a very good technique and works very well for us. Often bees are gone in minutes, However at the end of the season it may be poor, and at other times, we may find need to clean up with a blower. Abandonment leaves NO residues. We would possibly continue to use it some of the time even if a good repellant is available. There are some costs and inconveniences with any technique, including repellants. Each method has its place and a time when it is better than alternatives. One problem I have with butyric, even besides the offensive smell, is its effect on my breathing when I have used it. It attacks my lungs and is\most uncomfortable for me to use. What is the effect of breathing concentrated Bee-Quick on humans? Is it documented? FWIW, I happened to check out phenol in my research of this topic today and was amazed at how toxic and potentially deadly it was. We used it in a most cavalier fashion years ago. > We'd love to speak with him too. If nothing else, > it looks like that lab might become the sight of > a showdown/bakeoff between the three products. This may well happen. We all hope the best for any new product. > If your lab would do a test, they might be surprised > at how little is required to drive bees, and might > thereby be able to say that it is "safe when used > prudently", or at least "safer than other repellent > options available". This will have to be field proven over this coming season. Not knowing what the potential contaminents are will continue to be a problem, however. > >Nonetheless, I'll afraid to buy a product that has > >not been endorsed by our provincial and federal > >regulators > > The plan was to take things "one country at a time", > and work with each regulatory scheme in turn. To be > honest, we are slogging through the European Union > regulations now, and would love an excuse to quit > for a while. Europeans are important customers and also the big sticklers on potential residues. Getting their blessing would certainly assist in getting acceptance for use in Canada. > But we'd love to work with your lab, > to support their efforts. Contact me off-list Have done so. allen Article 28461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:09:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 02 15:09:03 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28461 In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>, Chad Howell wrote: ...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the > Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. Dear Chad, There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so you might as well count on it. Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so. My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and can't even tell where they were today. Sincerely, Herb NW Fla vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:24:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <95ejf7$1si$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 02 15:24:34 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28462 In article <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net>, Barry Meltzer wrote: > I guess my biggest concern is about my kids and wife. Do I, as a hobbyist with 2 > hives in the back yard expose them to enough 'stuff' to sensitize them? I get stung > once in a while and from prior threads, this should keep me in good shape. > > We are getting the Epi-Pens anyway, but I was just wondering how careful I should be > about them. While I don't think they would be too fond of getting intentionally > stung, we could get them tested. In general, I would rather not inflict an unneeded > allergy on them if I could help it. > > Thanks, > Barry > Dear Barry, There are many unknowns about what causes some family members of beekeepers to become allergic. I think your choice to get the Epi Pens and keep them handy is the best you can do. I wasn't able to get the pens last year but got bee kits for the same reason. I got enough stings early in my beekeeping experience to discover that I was not allergic to them. But there does seem to be some danger to family members, even for hobbyists. Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings. But you're right!! We are not likely to be able to talk our family members into that. Hmmmmm, hey Charlie!! When you get more information about bee venom in sperm see if you can find out what would happen if both husband and wife are getting stings. I wonder if babies would be born immune to stings, or would they go into anaphylactic shock in the womb? Herb NW Fla USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vanc01m10-18.bctel.CA!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:43:43 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <95ekgq$gqaub$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A7A118D.162547A@mediaone.net> <95ejf7$1si$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vanc01m10-18.bctel.ca (209.53.228.18) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981128539 17640395 209.53.228.18 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28463 > Of course I believe the least expensive insurance against > anaphylactic shock is to get plenty of bee stings... My understanding is that there is a tiny but real chance that anyone can have an anaphylactic reaction regardless of beesting history. Moreover, having had one such reaction is not an absolute predictor of future reactions -- or lack thereof. Even many allergists do not understand the intricacies of this reaction. allen Article 28464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Lines: 83 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:25:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.160.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 981134732 209.30.160.65 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:25:32 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:25:32 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28464 Well said James. I applaud you for giving away samples to test. (hmmm... Bee-Go as a "wife-repellent". Haven't thought about that one.) Robert James Fischer wrote in message news:95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com... > Mark said: > > > I have just received my sample of Bee-Quick from Dadant's, > > and it smells to me like it is mostly benzaldehyde. > > There is no benzaldehyde in Bee-Quick. > > But thanks for the complement. We worked hard to make > it smell "familiar" to experienced beekeepers. > > > I was somewhat disappointed in this, since Bee-Go is > > superior to benzaldehyde. > > If you try it, you will find that Bee-Quick is superior to > both of the others at all temperature ranges, and works far > below the useful temp range of the others. You can read all > about it at http://www.bee-quick.com > > > Furthermore, I did not find the odor of Bee-Quick to > > be an improvement over Bee-Go or benzaldehyde. > > Any comments > > If your nose cannot detect much difference between > Bee-Quick and benzaldehyde, then no one would expect > you to be able to detect any "improvement". > Of the over 700 free samples handed out in 2001, > you are the first to offer this view. All other > opinions have been very positive. > > But Bee-Go??? We have yet to meet anyone who could name > ANYTHING that smelled worse than Bee-Go! For example, > here is the opinion of Dr. James Tew of Ohio State about > the smell of Bee-Go (from Bee Culture, Oct 2000, full text > at http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/00oct/00oct5.html) > > "The bouquet of this repellent is similar to that of > human infant up-chuck and seems to have a half-life > of several thousand years. Bees are repelled by the > smell. I am repelled by the smell. Neighbors are > repelled by the smell... For odiferous reasons, > don't get this chemical on you. Don't put Bee-Go > containers in your truck cab. Don't store it inside > a building you care about." > > But, your own sense of smell is not something you > can change, so ignoring personal "odor" preferences, > all I can offer is: > > a) Bee-Quick does not require expensive Haz-Mat > shipping fees. The other two do. > > b) Unlike the other two, Bee-Quick is non-toxic. > No gloves or goggles required. > > c) You can test for yourself which "works better". > > d) Bee-Quick washes off with water. Bee-Go simply > won't wash off! (Married? Wanna STAY married?) > > e) If you are not completely satisfied, return it > for a full refund, just like the label says. > (But, wait... yours was a FREE sample.) > > f) Why don't you try it in the apiary before > you decide? > > Gosh, don't we get any points for handing out free > samples so that you can make up your mind at > OUR expense? Try getting free samples from "the > other guys"! > > jim > Article 28465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:42:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A7AFFB3.98914D30@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28465 Hi Liz, Allen has some good points. I use chicken wire placed along the ground infront of the hives. I've accomplished this both ways. By suspending it an inch or so off the ground using stakes or by simply rolling it up and anchoring is in front if the entrance. The skunks don't seem to like to put their paws in the wire, this gives the bees a chance to counter attack. It also prevents them from rolling the bees in the dirt. I haven't had a problem since. Kent Stienburg Article 28466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update pages Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:32:50 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.229 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.229 Message-ID: <3a7b1859_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Feb 2001 15:28:09 -0500, 64.208.64.229 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.229 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28466 Greetings! Ok..so I am bored and needed to not think about the snow. So,I have added more interesting(?) pages. Topics: How to Extract Wax from Combs How to Care for Nuclei Articles written:1920 Sometimes,we(Norma/Herb) believe the old way is just as good as the "new" way of beekeeping. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/tips.html Enjoy! Norma Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.25!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:06:09 -0600 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981155171 17284381 216.167.138.25 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28467 Herb in NW Florida said: > A determined bee can get to you no matter what so >you might as well count on it. A determined beekeeper that has a good suit (one piece) and takes extra precautions regarding the hood flopping around and wearing sting proof gloves like nitrile or similar and taking care to secure the ankles around 'high top' boots, can probably go for years and never be stung. If it were possible to enter a contest to see if a beekeeper could be suited up to an extent that it was 'certified' by a panel of 'experts,' that indeed it was 'impossible' to be stung, kitted out in such a way, I would enter this contest. As Americans of course we know this is not going to happen because of hovering litigation and all those science fiction films where the military assured us nothing would go wrong, then it did. Still, unless one was absolutely sure one would have an anaphylactic reaction if stung by a bee, and one still was determined to mess around with bees, then I think with modern fabrics and superior bee suit designs and Epi-Pen at the ready and all the planets being aligned and everything else being equal, one might as well keep bees until one was stung and either swelled up and died, or was indeed saved by a ready Epi-Pen injection, only to keep bees another day. As a 'religious' beekeeper I think this attitude is still better if not 'heroic' than say, dying at work, in some senseless way one hears about on the news, or on the way to work, smushed by that SUV, or hit by lightening playing golf or other pointless activities. Besides, your life can't be that important; forgetaboutit and live. Then Herb ask: > Hmmmmm, hey Charlie!! When you get more information about bee >venom in sperm see if you can find out what would happen if both >husband and wife are getting stings. I wonder if babies would be born >immune to stings, or would they go into anaphylactic shock in the womb? Think about it Herb..almost always, only one sperm gets through, this is quite the contrast to 'millions' swimming around carrying venom related genetic material. If the mother is resistant to bee stings, the baby will be too; same blood, same antibodies, good ol' mom. Allen Dick said: >My understanding is that there is a tiny but real chance that anyone can >have an anaphylactic reaction regardless of beesting history. This is the thing, one has to only read the definition of 'anaphylactic shock' which clearly states: A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure Sensitized by 'previous' exposure. Remember what your mom said: life is a banana peel, so enjoy it everyday. C.K. Article 28468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E" Lines: 111 X-Trace: /wsUgMQplM8VkHjWzbaWf7mWwAHXV7RfX+0hAg/zHj49A5gUqt7ETsCwRN126QzrM0JONW7GMbDq!tkFP4oGA7Cgz6p9yzqnJSfim+9yDCRL6LA/1wZ63B/vky+QfkjEYWHWtM/37s0o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:16:40 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:16:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28468 --------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb- First of all I probably would not have been stung in the head if I would have been wearing my veil. That was my mistake. As for the Epi Pen helping with swelling, my doctor said it may help. What's wrong with being prepared in case I or someone helping me with my bee chores gets stung and goes into shock. The few bucks for the injector is well worth the protection it may give. And as for injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick myself with the injector. Chad hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>, > Chad Howell wrote: > ...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the > > Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there > shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS > WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is. > > Dear Chad, > > There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First > of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue > working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so > you might as well count on it. > > Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right > treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling > is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I > have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough > stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a > small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so. > My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up > at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week > and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but > somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by > getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and > can't even tell where they were today. > > Sincerely, > Herb NW Fla vasak@aol.com > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ --------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herb-
First of all I probably would not have been stung in the head if I would have been wearing my veil. That was my mistake.
As for the Epi Pen helping with swelling, my doctor said it may help. What's wrong with being prepared in case I or someone helping me with my bee chores gets stung and goes into shock. The few bucks for the injector is well worth the protection it may give. And as for injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick myself with the injector.
Chad

hcampb@my-deja.com wrote:

In article <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net>,
  Chad Howell <res03ge6@gte.net> wrote:
...That's how it was explained to me by my doc. He said the
> Epi Pen may help to reduce the swelling next time. Although there
shouldn't be a next time because I learned a valuable lesson. ALWAYS
WEAR A VEIL, no matter what the temp is.

Dear Chad,

   There are some things about this discussion that trouble me. First
of all you can be sure there will be a next time if you continue
working with bees. A determined bee can get to you no matter what so
you might as well count on it.

   Second, I share Al's concern that the Epi Pen is not the right
treatment for swelling. It is to prevent anaphylactic shock. Swelling
is a normal reaction to bee stings and the only way to avoid it that I
have found is to get more stings, lot's of 'em. Once you get enough
stings you won't have to be concerned about swelling anymore. Just a
small bump at the site of the sting and it goes away in an hour or so.
My first sting in 1998 was on a finger and my hand and arm swelled up
at least three times normal size. I couldn't use that hand for a week
and it was extremely painful. Similar in 1999 on the other arm but
somewhat less swelling. So I set out to become immune to bee stings by
getting plenty of stings. Yesterday I got stung twice on the head and
can't even tell where they were today.

Sincerely,
       Herb        NW Fla          vasak@aol.com

Sent via Deja.com
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--------------9489970F60696F936C2AB88E-- Article 28469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7B9F9B.DBB54210@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:05:15 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 981172637 208.235.28.10 (Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:57:17 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:57:17 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28469 Chad Howell wrote: > > And as for > injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. > isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right > stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get > stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick > myself with the injector. Hey Chad, You said you wouldn't stick yourself *unless* symptoms of shock appear but, then you said if you get stung in the face you'll "damn well" stick yourself. Your reasoning has me confused - you seem to be equating a fat head to shock. Shocking as your fat head may have looked, you haven't described any symptoms that would warrant dumping a load of epinephrine into your system. Have you ever taken on a load of epinephrine? Are you sure a fat head justifies the risk of a possible reaction to the EpiPen? Did you ask your Dr. about Benedryl and ice as a less drastic treatment for the swelling & itching. AL Article 28470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.87!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:49:31 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> <3A7B9F9B.DBB54210@midwest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981175774 17725487 216.167.138.87 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28470 AL ask: >Have you ever taken on a load of epinephrine? Epinephrine, a catecholamine, together with norepinephrine, is secreted principally by the medulla of the adrenal gland. Heightened secretion caused perhaps by fear or anger, will result in increased heart rate and the hydrolysis of glycogen to glucose. This reaction, often called the “fight or flight” response, prepares the body for strenuous activity. The hormone was first extracted (1901) from the adrenal glands of animals by Jokichi Takamine; it was synthesized (1904) by Friedrich Stolz. Epinephrine is used medicinally as a stimulant in cardiac arrest, as a vasoconstrictor in shock, as a bronchodilator and antispasmodic in bronchial asthma, and to lower intra-ocular pressure in the treatment of glaucoma. >Are you sure a fat head justifies the risk of a possible reaction to the EpiPen? What risk is there in taking this naturally occurring substance? (adrenaline) >Benedryl Antihistamines are used to relieve or prevent the symptoms of hay fever and other types of allergy. These can be itching, sneezing, runny nose, or watery eyes. A head that was 'swelled up like a balloon' doesn't fit the description of the above symptoms. I think a shot of 'Epinephrine' was the correct procedure. At least it would have induced a sense of well being, and that's always welcome. I'm not a doctor but I enjoy playing one on newsgroups. C.K. Article 28471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fischer's Bee-Quick Date: 2 Feb 2001 19:59:39 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 26 Message-ID: <95fvnb01fmk@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95835f022bn@drn.newsguy.com> <95bknv01trr@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-813.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28471 Robert said: > Well said James. I applaud you for giving > away samples to test. Well, it is one small incentive to get people to attend their state bee association meetings... the least we can do, given that we hope to make an actual profit someday. > (hmmm... Bee-Go as a "wife-repellent". > Haven't thought about that one.) Hold on now... we would not wish that fate on ANYONE. Anything would be more humane than giving her a bottle of "Ode-du-Bee-Go" as a gift of "perfume". ...and if you did that, you'd have to burn the house down to get rid of the smell! :) Here's a blantant commerical plug that would have gotten me banned from the 'net for life in 1978 -> http://www.bee-quick.com Article 28472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: 2 Feb 2001 20:16:34 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 25 Message-ID: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> <3A7A251E.FC73528F@honeyroad.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-919.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28472 workerbee@honeyroad.com says... > A nail board may help. Hammer nails through > a peice of plywood or 1" board, in a grid > pattern, about 2" apart. One can obtain "carpet tack strips" from carpet installers dirt cheap/free. Same approach and concept as above, but ready-made and easy to attach to the front edge of the landing board where little paws are sure to be probing. This is much more humane than putting things on the ground, where the skunk might impale a paw, or get tangled in things like chicken wire. Works great, too. Two screws, easy on, and easy off when you want to move the hive. I don't want to kill ANY of God's creatures, I just want them to leave the bees be! james Article 28473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott Franklin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gone, ants moved in and honey stores left behind Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:52:56 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <95ct7b$m52$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28473 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:247 Thanks for the advice...that will help greatly. Article 28474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: 3 Feb 2001 04:45:20 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 48 Message-ID: <95guh001i01@drn.newsguy.com> References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-747.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28474 Ray Morgan said, on the subject of skunks: >What I do is catch them in a body gripping >trap, then go out and shoot them with a >shotgun. Then Gods creatures will leave >my Bees alone. Just a breath of reality. Wow, talk about "defense of the hive"!!! What do you do about bears? Machine gun nests? Land mines? Tarzan-style pits with sharp pointed sticks at the bottom? Perhaps a lovingly-reconditioned army-surplus Sherman tank? May we assume that you are a member of PETA ("People Eating Tasty Animals") rather than PETA ("People For the Ethical Treatment of Animals")? I thought about making a skunk, mouse, possum, and bear repellent based upon our success with Bee-Quick (http://www.bee-quick.com), but after some thought, realized that: a) Skunks would be a difficult to drive off with any odor less horrible than the skunk itself. b) Possum would be difficult subjects to test, since they would always "play possum" at the first sign of a threat. c) Our farm cats ("Thing One", "Thing Two", and, of course, "The Cat In The Hat") do a fine job chasing off the mice and voles, and even catch catch one now and again, so we'd have to import mice for testing. (Sad... I don't understand why evolution has not produced 30mph mice yet...) d) As for bears, lets just say that we simply cannot bear to test this scenario on any of our hives. jim Article 28475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gobow@webtv.net (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:52:34 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApnzvtH6jwIeb1ECaiUNJLVcbyqgCFA4+gjjXnoj6d+h7spYH4NcJnx1q Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28475 What I do is catch them in a body gripping trap, then go out and shoot them with a shotgun. Then Gods creatures will leave my Bees alone. Just a breath of reality. Ray Article 28476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee problem Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:53:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <95hr44$kp1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A79D1ED.A5C8B7CD@clemson.edu> <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 03 20:53:26 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28476 In article <20010201191639.27991.00000232@ng-fx1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > >What i'm looking for is the product that smells like vomit. That's all I need, don't worry about anything else :) > > Thanks again, > > Charlie > > > > I won't mince words with you. > You asked people who care about bees and care about your safety. > You recieved good advice. > The chemical you are looking for won't do the job. > Stop being an idiot. > > Tom > Way to go, Tom!! I was thinking some similar thoughts but you have worded them more sweetly than I would have. I hope Charlie is not too offended to let us know what happens. :-) Sincerely, Herb NW Florida USA vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update notification about the beekeeping software Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:15:16 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 35 Message-ID: <95jgns$dpe$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip79.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 981288508 14126 195.249.242.79 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28477 I know a lot are trying out my software, and I am happy that I can do a job as a benefit for the beekeeprs around and maybe for the beekeeping. Now and then I am making mistakes in my programming but there are no report of crashing computers. The last I have put up this night is tested by me on old databases, new databases with new fields and it took me five hours work to do this testing. I am now convienced that the software is without serious errors. To help you getting information on new updates you can send an email to mailto:update@apimo.dk?subject=please send update notifications You will not be spammed by me and this will save this list from iformation about new things, errors I have made/fixed and so on. the bidata now comprises the barcode generator, backup/restore facilities expanded queen edit facilities, bulk adding of data for some tasks and more. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.183!nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tromploi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for a swarm of bees Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:40:21 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: nnrp5-w.sbc.net 981304940 63.197.142.62 (Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:42:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:42:20 PST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28478 I'm looking for any "bee" graphics,,,,but most particularly, "bee swarm". Can you point me into the right direction? Thanks Article 28479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Feb 2001 22:18:44 GMT References: <3a795584.209508897@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee problem Message-ID: <20010204171844.03137.00000828@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28479 Even if you did get the hive to leave...Guess what the next swarm that comes along will set up shop there unless you get all the comb out or ctu down the tree.... the best way is to let a beekeeper come and take the bees out for you.... Article 28480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Feb 2001 22:35:38 GMT References: <94v37n$dqh$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Message-ID: <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28480 I want to build one a electric wire embedder, what the hell you can all kind of transformers at radio shack.... all I need is somebody to give me plans to do so... is there anybody out here that has built one? Article 28481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:02:37 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: <95krbq$23p$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip109.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 981332154 2169 195.249.242.109 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28481 I Have one. Three swarms in the same tree close to ground. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. Now chatroom for beekeeping installed. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Feb 2001 03:00:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Message-ID: <20010204220050.02968.00000048@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28482 From: "Tromploi" s_kimbro@pacbell.net >I'm looking for any "bee" graphics,,,,but most particularly, "bee swarm". >Can you point me into the right direction? Look at the slide show on hiving a swarm at the page below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <94v37n$dqh$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: paradise.net.nz customer Message-ID: <981346755.390887@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-27.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:15:32 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 981346755 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:19:15 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:19:15 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28483 I just bought a battery charger. It had the alligator clips on the end of the wires and does the job magnificantly. Perhaps you purchase one of these. No building. Just plug it in and you're away! Cheers Liz (Auckland, NZ) "JPA555" wrote in message news:20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com... > I want to build one a electric wire embedder, what the hell you can all kind of > transformers at radio shack.... all I need is somebody to give me plans to do > so... is there anybody out here that has built one? Article 28484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 04:38:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 65 Message-ID: <95laol$ver$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.62.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 05 04:38:44 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.79.62.36 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28484 In article <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Does this phenomenon occur with hobbyist beekeepers as well as > >commercial ones? > > Yes, and the worst allergic reaction is: > > anaphylactic shock > > A severe and rapid and sometimes fatal hypersensitivity reaction to a > substance (especially a vaccine or penicillin or shellfish or insect venom) to > which the organism (that's you) has become sensitized by previous exposure > > note: 'sensitized by previous exposure.' > > If you're worried carry one of those 'kits.' In the USA, a doctor has to > prescribe it, and it will cost about as much as the office call probably in > the range of 100 USD plus, the last I looked; if you live close to Canada or > Mexico, go to either of those places instead, why be a sap. > > I've been interested in this phenomenon of bee venom in male sperm and the > dangers it apparently poses to sexual partners that may be 'allergic' to bee > stings. I'm in correspondence with a woman who's married to a California > 'commercial' beekeeper that used to get stung a lot (hundreds of times a year) > and she developed anaphylaxis, almost dying and the doctor(s) couldn't figure > it out until they investigated the possibilities and peculiarities regarding > her husband and his excessive bee stings. When I know more I'll post the > results. > > C.K. > The best answer that I have read for the cause was some where on the Net in the last year. The theory is that the spouse develops a higher incidence of allergies from handling the beekeepers protection gear. The spouse is the one who typically washes them and comes in contact with any bee venom on them and this causes her body's immune system to become over sensitive. I have seen on a nature show a similar explanation for people who milk the venom from poisonous snakes and come in contact with venom on their skin. They are far more sensitive to a bite when they do get an accidental hit. Unless they have been bitten several times to build up immunity. Simple solution, I wash and handle my gear and no one else in the family unless they handle bees and get several stings that build up immunity against an allergic reaction. A good explanation on bee stings is in George Imirie's Articles at: www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Scroll down to Bee Stings. John Duncan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7EF53C.FFE78864@bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee And Overwintering References: <3A79BEE3.5A9E4620@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:47:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.50 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 981398680 147.226.103.50 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:44:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:44:40 EST Organization: Ball St. U. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28485 Dale Scheidler wrote: > Will a hive overwinter without a queen? I keep 20 colonies in Indiana > and lost one hive. This hive seemed to not cluster like the others when > inspected in November before it got cold. Whether queenless or not I do > not know for sure. > Thanks, > Dale The one dead colony was opened and it appears that the cluster did not migrate down to the box below full of honey. The top box had all the honey consumed. It may have too cold for this cluster to move. Indiana has had prolonged cold temperatures this winter. Thank you, Dale Article 28486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Divin_In@webtv.net (Jimmy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Year of Beekeeping! Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:18:13 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <11252-3A7F0A85-15@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQeiBpoJQY5x48r5vmkc3Meij74ogIVAKMmkQJ7lvFOFZSlRYgWJr9eMjij Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28486 Hi Guys, My first year of beekeeping is over. I opened the hive today...curiosity got the best of me....and I noticed some queen cells on one frame. My queen is fine, and is laying. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do now...kill the queen? get rid of the cells? Help!! All information is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Lis Article 28487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:11:31 +0100 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 1056 Message-ID: <95n8g0$gbm8@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p36.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28487 How's this? last summer... 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MPIJ@FL*?PJ#"PL*:PJ"]G[V]O9H#FIH#O9J:F0.:=W<#`W@#FG<#`ID#F0,# FF9F9H*"]&L*9H.X:P@"\F9IW`YH#F0/LF0(#`YD#O ,#`W<#FI,` ` end Article 28488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7F5475.F6CF952B@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee And Overwintering References: <3A79BEE3.5A9E4620@bsu.edu> <3A7EF53C.FFE78864@bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:33:41 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 981415543 208.235.28.34 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:25:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:25:43 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28488 Dale Scheidler wrote: > The one dead colony was opened and it appears that the cluster did not > migrate down to the box below full of honey. The top box had all the honey > consumed. It may have too cold for this cluster to move. Indiana has had > prolonged cold temperatures this winter. > > Thank you, > Dale Shouldn't the box full of honey have been *above* the cluster? During the winter the bees move upward. AL Article 28489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:43:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <95ndqe$q6u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <95laol$ver$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.44.7 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 05 23:43:11 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 12.79.44.7 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28489 > > The best answer that I have read for the cause was some where on the > Net in the last year. The theory is that the spouse develops a higher > incidence of allergies from handling the beekeepers protection gear. > The spouse is the one who typically washes them and comes in contact > with any bee venom on them and this causes her body's immune system to > become over sensitive. I have seen on a nature show a similar > explanation for people who milk the venom from poisonous snakes and > come in contact with venom on their skin. They are far more sensitive > to a bite when they do get an accidental hit. Unless they have been > bitten several times to build up immunity. Simple solution, I wash and > handle my gear and no one else in the family unless they handle bees and > get several stings that build up immunity against an allergic reaction. > A good explanation on bee stings is in George Imirie's Articles at: > www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html > Scroll down to Bee Stings. > > John Duncan > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ > I found one site that mentioned the gear being the cause: http://pollinator.com/theysting.htm And the site for the Bee Sting Article that I posted yesterday: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/html/beestings.html (Justed learned how to copy and paste URL's) John Duncan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm of bees Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%xHf6.35$qv1.93419@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:25:38 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 981419259 63.197.142.62 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:27:39 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:27:39 PST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:248 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28490 I'm looking for any "bee" graphics,,,,but most particularly, a "bee swarm". Can you point me into the right direction? Every Spring I'm kept pretty busy gathering swarms that end up in someone's yard. And as most of you already know, a lot of times an exterminator is called. What I'm trying to do is put together a little postcard to send to some of the local exterminators,,,just a little reminder that it's better to call a beekeeper than gas them. So,,,I'd like to add something a little "lite" not a picture but a graphic. Can ya help? Thanks Article 28491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Year of Beekeeping! Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:51:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <95nhpq$tir$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <11252-3A7F0A85-15@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 06 00:51:09 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en]C-{C-UDP; OWL-18113} (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers00 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28491 > (Jimmy) wrote: > I noticed some queen cells on one frame. My queen is fine, and is > laying. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do now...kill the > queen? get rid of the cells? ******************************************************************* Howdy Jimmy It's mighty early for queen cells, even supercedure cells. On the first day warm enough to look again, look closely at the queen cells. Sounds like they may be old ones from last year. If they are dark rusty looking OPEN cells they are old ones. The short "cups" can be found in just about any colony. Looks like they are kept around to use as patterns! Pete So Much to Learn -- so Little Time Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.beer.home-brewing Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.crafts.meadmaking Keywords: mead, melomel, pyment, metheglin, honey, bee Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 01:48:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 981424135 24.163.160.238 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:48:55 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:48:55 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu rec.food.historic:24276 rec.org.sca:313497 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28492 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:249 The 2nd Request For Discussion (RFD) for the proposed group, rec.crafts.meadmaking, was posted to news.groups, news.announce.newgroups, rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. Discussion of the proposal takes place in news.groups. If you are interested in the topic, I encourage you to participate in the discussion. Usenet volunteers advise that substantive comments are far more useful to the future success of the proposal than simple comments that say "I would use this group." If this proposal comes to a vote, it is expected that it will be close - your support will make a difference. More information about this process and how you can support the group is available at http://www.mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html . Regards, Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking chadden@contecrayon.com Article 28493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A7F6ABE.9D07377A@gte.net> From: Chad Howell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD {GTE Internetworking} (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies References: <3A7496B6.A228C219@mediaone.net> <07he7t4ddfpkdfeaevghspiiajl4vctnem@4ax.com> <3A78A55B.F2AE4D5B@gte.net> <3A79F504.3CCF4A47@gte.net> <95eii7$t4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A7B5C0E.61174266@gte.net> <3A7B9F9B.DBB54210@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 X-Trace: /b4C/HOV5pBGmiZjor05qRnTvdFMj4pAnLos5I7a65YynKO4SPlLL0k0KxeNgKCAw/VMURrnJIqL!/S2C25HAAE2czzFzQU3y0FH+Vayt6RxnaR1EYmXE8HJ/TPk5OC0ImqcirFU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:08:29 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:08:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28493 Thank You Charlie, Al, let me clarify my statement a little. I stick to what I said about the shock. Bee stings are part of the game and i accept them and wouldn't inject myself if I got stung and had no symptoms of shock with one exception, the face. As for Benedryl, I did take some over the counter strength and it didn't help in this case. I have used it in the pass with success with arm and leg stings. This is my first facial sting and it was very scary, eyes swollen shut and a forehead that would give early man a run for the money. Epi Pen wouldn't of hurt and that's what my doctor said. AL wrote: > Chad Howell wrote: > > > > > And as for > > injecting myself or anyone else for a sting in the hand, arm, leg etc. > > isn't going to happen unless symptoms of shock appear. You're right > > stings are a part of the business and I accept that but if I ever get > > stung in the face again,God forbid, you can damn well bet I'll stick > > myself with the injector. > > Hey Chad, > > You said you wouldn't stick yourself *unless* symptoms of shock appear > but, then you said if you get stung in the face you'll "damn well" stick > yourself. > > Your reasoning has me confused - you seem to be equating a fat head to > shock. Shocking as your fat head may have looked, you haven't described > any symptoms that would warrant dumping a load of epinephrine into your > system. Have you ever taken on a load of epinephrine? Are you sure a > fat head justifies the risk of a possible reaction to the EpiPen? Did > you ask your Dr. about Benedryl and ice as a less drastic treatment for > the swelling & itching. > > AL Article 28494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: craig1966@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 04:24:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <95nu9s$81m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A67B70B.BF5A557E@gte.net> <948hi0$cih$1@thoth.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.182.60 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 06 04:24:36 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; formatnec; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.99.182.60 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcraig1966 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28494 Barry: I'd be interested in seeing a drawing of your electric wire embedder setup. Please post it if you don't mind. Thanks. If anyone else can post theirs also, I'd be interested in seeing them. Thanks; this newsgroup is really great. Craig > I use an old 12volt car battery as my source of electricity. The embedder > is just a wooden handle just longer then the frame is wide with four copper > prongs coming down from it, there are two switches for the current to the > prongs:- 1) puts current through the four prongs and 2) puts current through > the two inner prongs, if anyone is interested I'll post a drawing > > Barry Metz > Junee, NSW Australia > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Feb 2001 05:10:32 GMT References: <3A7F6ABE.9D07377A@gte.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Acquired Allergies Message-ID: <20010206001032.11594.00000950@ng-cm1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28495 A word of advice from the man who has been stung "everywhere"... If you're worried about your wife and children acquiring an allergy to bee stings, take them out once a week and get them stung. The main reason people acquire the allergy is from the lack of bee venom. Theres not enough leftovers of the venom on the clothing to do anything but agitate the body and it nevers gets directly in the system for it to produce antibodies to the proteins. Apitherapy is there for a reason. It can be beneficial to the body. I know most of it is unproven, but what kills doesn't kill you makes you stronger right? I had to wear corrective glasses since I was in grade school, but a year after I started beekeeping (getting stung around 10 to 20 times or more on a bad day ) I no longer need to wear glasses. Although my eyesight isn't perfect it is very much improved. Was it the bee venom? who knows, but it was the only difference. So go and get stung. The guy I started working for had a rule. no gloves till you can't close your hand. Then when the sweling goes down you take them back off. You'd be amazed how fast your system builds a tolerance at that rate. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.215!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a swarm of bees Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:13:01 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <95krbq$23p$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.215 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981439974 18718132 216.167.138.215 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28496 >I Have one. Three swarms in the same tree close to ground. So..let's see, it's Denmark, middle of Winter, and there's three swarms in the same tree. (close to ground) There must be something to this global warming business afterall. C.K. Article 28497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Divin_In@webtv.net (Jimmy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Year of Beekeeping! Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:34:09 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8134-3A7FA8F1-46@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <95nhpq$tir$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRbZuSKOdu2FgtVjJAOAh/ZHXJvtQIVAJSiiedtSgC2hv9Wy+A1sT8XgrFN Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28497 Thanks for responding, Pete. I'm Lis, Jimmy is my son. I'm using his website. I don't think the queen cells are from last year. We didn't start our hive until May of last year, and we monitored the hive closely. They don't appear to be "rusty" looking. There is also different stages of brood on the frames. Is it possible I'm looking at a completely different queen? Could a new queen have taken over so quickly? I'm even guessing that they are queen cells. Cells that protrude way out of the frame? Am I looking at drone cells by mistake? I live in New Orleans....don't know if that is important or not. Thanks for much for the help!! Always, Lis Article 28504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Divin_In@webtv.net (Jimmy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Year of Beekeeping! Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:24:29 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7285-3A81306D-1@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <95psvn$vcc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRKwSCr1ET60rYKPHx7ojovCDXl/QIUChoJ0Zt55nxBxlG4cKcc0rB0MvA= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28504 Thanks so much Guys!! Your posts were a great help!! Lis Article 28505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sjc-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Harry Graham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Beekeeper Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:18:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.247.101.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: sjc-read.news.verio.net 981656292 204.247.101.3 (Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:18:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:18:12 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28505 I live in San Francisco Bay area and am interested in keeping bees. Are there any clubs or groups in my area that I could join to learn beekeeping? Thanks Harry Article 28506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:59:26 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28506 Greetings all. Newly updated pages, for those who need such things. New pages, monthly specials, new candle moulds. http://www.beeworks.com/index.htm Spring is coming!!!! Regards to all Dave...... The Bee Works. Orillia, Ontario,Canada. 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MPIJ@FL*?PJ#"PL*:PJ"]G[V]O9H#FIH#O9J:F0.:=W<#`W@#FG<#`ID#F0,# FF9F9H*"]&L*9H.X:P@"\F9IW`YH#F0/LF0(#`YD#O ,#`W<#FI,` ` end Article 28508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginning Beekeeper Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:35:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <960o6u$oid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.61.6 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 09 12:35:41 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 uinc.com, 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.98.61.6 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28508 Personally, I don't know but, you might call your local cooperative extension to ask them... They may know. Also, you can check the Government offices listings for your locality and see if you have a State Bee Inspector. That person would be a great source of knowledge about the local flora, local bee clubs, and anything else about beekeeping in your area. Good Luck, Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!news1.tor.primus.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A84AD00.823F7430@globalserve.net> From: Mike Organization: Looney Bin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <9q5k7tknrinfq5q9penqfkjp2gmm1rl2q7@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:52:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.133.185 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news1.tor.primus.ca 981755551 209.90.133.185 (Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:52:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:52:31 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28509 Hi Zebra: Last summer I live trapped 5 skunks individually and moved them to a conservation area with no problem. Buy a live cage type trap that is about 12 or 18 inches high by 3 or 4 feet long. You don't want to have to reach down to the door to release the skunk, so get a wire and attach it to the door. Make it long enough to hook onto the trap to hold the door open at release time. Bate the trap with fish-flavoured cat food on soda crackers. Three leading to the trap and three in the trap. Place the trap near your beehives on a grassy location. Cover the back half of the trap with a old sheet. In the morning I would find that the skunk would pull up grass from under the trap to make a bed to sleep for the day. I would approach the trap from the back and gently throw another old sheet over the trap to cover it completely. Now for the releasing: Pick up the trap. Place it gently (still covered) in the back of your pickup. When you get the skunk to its new location, pull on the wire (the sheets will still be over the trap) which will pull up the door and RUN! The odd time I had to give the trap a little shake to encourage the skunk to leave. They didn't seem to be interested in me. They just scurried away and mind their own business. Mike Article 28511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB: Old Beekeeping Books Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <4c0b8tceak91kkf2m358o7hnktf7pu4s9l@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:06:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.227.11.250 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 981828372 63.227.11.250 (Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:06:12 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:06:12 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28511 Anyone whom has been holding onto some old bee books 1700-1950, please e-mail me with your list and how much you'd like for them. I'm hooked on learning as much as possible concerning the evolution of bee management. These books will NOT be resold anytime in the near future. I'm purchasing for my own use as a beekeeper and to add to my bee library and am willing to pay reasonable market value. In particular I'm looking for T.B. Miner's book "The American Bee Keeper's Manual" (1849-1851) and willing to spend $200 for a copy in G-VG shape. I'm certain there are many good bee-books out there I haven't considered. Thanks for your time, Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO Article 28512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginning Beekeeper Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:55:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9613tr$39d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 09 15:55:45 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.4) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28512 In article , "Harry Graham" wrote: > I live in San Francisco Bay area and am interested in keeping bees. Are > there any clubs or groups in my area that I could join to learn beekeeping? > > Thanks > Harry > > Bee Culture's web site lists a number of Calfornia beekeeping associations here http://bee.airoot.com/cgi-bin/who/who.pl HTH... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Pages Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:18:37 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.216 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.216 Message-ID: <3a8416e9_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Feb 2001 11:12:25 -0500, 64.208.64.216 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.216 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28513 Greetings! Pink Pages are updated. http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/contentpages/articles.html -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 09 Feb 2001 16:19:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beginning Beekeeper Message-ID: <20010209111919.26070.00000201@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28514 >I live in San Francisco Bay area and am interested in keeping bees. Are >there any clubs or groups in my area that I could join to learn beekeeping? Your county extension agent should know of bee clubs Also, some regional clubs are listed at Who's Who inBeekeeping, which you can find at A.I. Root Co http://www.airoot.com Your state bee extension person should be there. I think it's still Dr. Musson at Davis. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tkrupa@cet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Questions? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:06:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.185.125 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 10 19:06:46 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.185.125 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28515 Got a couple questions abot Terramycin. First, how about shelf life? I have some 2 years old, kept in fridge, still has it's original color. Next, how about opinions on forms of medicating. Patties or with syrup? What's the best? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: pollen Lines: 14 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:26:04 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 981916039 159.134.156.160 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:27:19 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:27:19 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28516 pollen mites Ruary Gilbert wrote in message news:l2yh6.9553$w_6.701432@afrodite.telenet-ops.be... > Can someone tell me which insect eats the pollen out of the stocked frames ? > > Thanks > Gilbert > > Article 28517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!dca.uu.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.cableinet.net!cspc1n11e.baplc.com!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!cold.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!burn.news.pipex.net!pipex!drip.news.pipex.net!pipex!drop.news.uk.uu.net!eyre.news.uk.uu.net!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Graham Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Equipment for Sale Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:12:53 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <965s56$956$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: useran70.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 981890022 9382 62.188.135.87 (11 Feb 2001 11:13:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2001 11:13:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28517 My father-in-law died recently after a long lifetime of beekeeping. We have supers, frames, comb, wire, wax, smokers, hivetools, bee-hats, etc, etc in abundance to clear, many of them new, and mostly imported from Poland, which produces superb bee-keeping equipment, including an excelent extractor and ALL the bits. This lot, which is in excellent nick, is located in HORSHAM, WEST SUSSEX, ENGLAND, and it will be worth anyone's time and attention to have a look. We'd rather sell it as a job lot, but let's discuss. You can reach us via my mobile 0777 1760 999. I look forward to hearing from you. Graham Sanders Article 28518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For sale Mini Beehives. Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:31:54 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.76.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 981923493 195.8.76.194 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:31:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:31:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28518 Hello Everyone. I have put up three mini china beehives on E-Bay uk. For viewing please go here. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=559255294 Thanks. Mike Smith. Article 28519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.service.ohio-state.edu!not-for-mail From: James Pizagno Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what happend to lost colony Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:56:21 -0500 Organization: Ohio State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3A86FC75.BEA6AD7D@astronomy.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: redgiant.mps.ohio-state.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 981924784 14428 140.254.78.154 (11 Feb 2001 20:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@osu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2001 20:53:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28519 Hello bee experts, I am a beginning beekeeper in Ohio with one colony of Italian bees, and I have a question that I hope isn't too elementary. Last week I went out to check on the bees and found that the colony was dead. So today I opened the hive and went through it. There was plenty of honey (the top brood chamber was about 1/3 full of honey and there was pollen on the outsides) and it didn't seem like there was too much moisture in the disaster area. I didn't see any odd looking brood, but noticed that there were no eggs and only capped brood. I couldn't find the queen in the frozen cluster, which was a ghastly site of frozen bees. The colony also requeened themselves in the middle of last Fall. Given that information did the colony die because of a weak queen? What else could've happened? There was no suicide note left at the seen. :> Sorry for such a long message. thanks for any help, jim ps: if it was a lost queen and not disease, what parts of the hive can I use for another colony? Article 28520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:43:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <96712a$kns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A86FC75.BEA6AD7D@astronomy.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.102.172 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Feb 11 21:43:39 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 64.12.102.172 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28520 > James Pizagno wrote: > Hello bee experts, > I am a beginning beekeeper in Ohio with one colony of Italian > bees.There was plenty of honey (the top brood chamber was about 1/3 >full of honey and there was pollen on the outsides) and it didn't seem >like there was too much moisture in the disaster area. I didn't see >any odd looking brood, but noticed that there were no eggs and only >capped brood. Did the colony die because of a weak queen? >If it was a lost queen and not disease, what parts of the hive can > I use for another colony? ***************************************************************** Howdy Jim -- I suspect that the cluster would not leave the brood to go up to the honey. Even a small amount of moisture in the cluster area is very serious. If the colony was small, it could have been a combination of killing forces at work (small cluster trying to cover brood with moisture present and Ohio COLD. Starvation leaves plenty of evidence -- bees dying in empty cells in the cluster. Did you provide some type of upper opening for the excape of moisture? Very important! If there was no disease, all parts of the hive is useable. Clean up the combs by bumping out dead bees. Hiving a swarm or package on them come spring will clean up the unsightly mess. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:56:55 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 981946066 208.235.28.14 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:47:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:47:46 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28521 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > Just > >a breath of reality. > >Ray > > You know Ray, shotgunning a small cat like creature noted to be an endemic > carrier of rabies, probably creates an extensive cloud of particles. The 'hot > zone' around infectious 'vectors,' is thought to be about a ten foot radius in > normal circumstances, I bet an 'explosive' overkill as you've described must > extend this area out a lot further. > > I'm sure as one of God's creatures yourself, he has a plan for you too, and > apropos to that, the next time you go and get your hound vaccinated for > rabies, you better get one too. > > C.K. Sorry Charlie, gotta agree with Ray's approach, sans trap. The only good skunk is a dead skunk in the middle of the road, stinkin' to high heaven. AL Article 28522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Copper gluconate Lines: 14 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 07:36:04 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 981877039 159.134.156.62 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 07:37:19 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 07:37:19 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28522 Hi, has anyone out there actually tried copper gluconate as a method of varroa control. If so what results did you get? Is it worthwhile? Did it control the mite? Ruary Rudd Article 28523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:56:09 -0500 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <968q1s$kb0fm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A86FC75.BEA6AD7D@astronomy.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981986173 21332470 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28523 James, I too live in Ohio and we had not only a very bad winter but a terrible fall. The cold weather remained for such a long period without any warmth for the bees to take a cleansing flight or worst even move around the hive. You probably enjoyed the 60 degree weather we had last week and found your frozen cluster. Probably with their butts sticking out from the comb. I am sure there can be other causes however, many beekeepers have seen the same issue as you describe this year. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "James Pizagno" wrote in message news:3A86FC75.BEA6AD7D@astronomy.ohio-state.edu... > Hello bee experts, > I am a beginning beekeeper in Ohio with one colony of Italian bees, > and I have a question that I hope isn't too elementary. Last week > I went out to check on the bees and found that the colony was dead. So > today I opened the hive and went through it. There was plenty of honey > (the top brood chamber was about 1/3 full of honey and there was pollen > on the outsides) and it didn't seem like there was too much moisture in > the disaster area. I didn't see any odd looking brood, but noticed that > there were no eggs and only capped brood. I couldn't find the queen in > the frozen cluster, which was a ghastly site of frozen bees. The colony > also requeened themselves in the middle of last Fall. Given that > information did the colony die because of a weak queen? What else > could've happened? There was no suicide note left at the seen. :> > Sorry for such a long message. > thanks for any help, > jim > ps: if it was a lost queen and not disease, what parts of the hive can > I use for another colony? > Article 28524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:42:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 981996123 66.31.137.46 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:42:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:42:03 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28524 I've got only two years experience, but since nobody has yet chimed in, I'll give it a shot. wrote in message news:9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Got a couple questions abot Terramycin. First, how about shelf life? I > have some 2 years old, kept in fridge, still has it's original color. Maybe if it was in the freezer, but I wouldn't risk it. If it's important enough to use drugs, I'd recommend using known potencies. > Next, how about opinions on forms of medicating. Patties or with syrup? > What's the best? I've read that syrup is not a good form... the medicine degrades very quickly in syrup. Patties got some (maybe undeserved?) bad rap for contributing to resistant AFB. Mixing with sugar (or buy the pre-mixed form) and sprinkle on top bar ends according to directions is recommended. -Steve Article 28525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!ucl.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Schooling Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: royal jelly. Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:48:37 +0000 Organization: University College London Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3A8813E5.BA89DB36@ucl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyfed.geog.ucl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: uns-a.ucl.ac.uk 981996338 24712 128.40.32.39 (12 Feb 2001 16:45:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ucl.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2001 16:45:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28525 "Oh no, another question about royal jelly." - sorry. Am I right: Western beekeepers are largely uninterested in royal jelly outside of hive care. Eastern beekeepers are only too happy to supply all the royal jelly the gullible are willing to buy. Purveyors of "health products" make all sorts of claims for it and bad mouth each other's products (eg: liquid base products versus lyophilised). There is no scientific evidence it is any more beneficial as a human medicine than you might expect from a mixture of B vitamins and sugars etc. However, is there any evidence that it is virtually useless as a human medicine? Article 28526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: healthandfreedom@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.aquaculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Help Needed Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:28:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 92 Message-ID: <9692ue$8bn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.26.182.149 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 12 16:28:09 2001 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: unknown X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 38.26.182.149 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhealthandfreedom Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:58502 sci.agriculture.aquaculture:15 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28526 sci.agriculture.fruit:3872 From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom" jham@iahf.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:40:18 -0500 URGENT ALERT- EU VITAMIN DIRECTIVE VOTE TUESDAY- ACTION NEEDED NOW- MORE SIGNATURES NEEDED - forward widely & ACT NOW! IAHF List: Joseph Hasslberger from La Leva di Archimede alerts vitamin consumers world wide to please urge as many people as humanly possible to sign the health freedom petition at http://www.laleva.org/petizione/english/intro_eng.html between now and Tuesday, because on Tuesday the European Parliament will vote on the dangerous vitamin directive that threatens to destroy consumer access to dietary supplements all over Europe, forcing all 15 EU countries to walk in lockstep with Germany where access to vitamins is heavily restricted. People outside the EU must not ignore this due to harmonization. After the vote on Tuesday, if the EU Parliament agrees by simple majority to accept the Vitamin Directive, the language would then go to the European Council of Ministers where the reps from each EU government can either accept the Directive as written, or make changes. If they make changes, it goes back again to the EU Parliament, but there is a very real danger right now that the Directive will be accepted as currently written by the EU Parliament, and that the Council of Ministers will also accept it as written. It gives the Pharma Cartel everything they want, so it very well might go right on through despite our efforts on getting signatures on the La Leva petition, because the MEPs and Council of Ministers is under no obligation whatsoever to pay attention to that petition, especially when over half of the signatures are from Americans, and many more come from countries outside the EU. Only Denmark and Sweden have gotten any appreciable number of signatures on the petition,and they are just 2 out of the 15 EU countries. So if MEPs from Denmark, Sweden, England, Portugal and Holland all spoke against the Directive when they go to vote on it, it would still pass on Tuesday because they would simply be outvoted by the rest of the EU. So frankly, it does not look good for our friends overseas, and as a person with a genetic need for vitamins, whose health would be seriously impaired if I lost access, I feel immense pain right now, not only for our friends in Europe, but also because of the very real threat that our American dietary supplement laws could be harmonized to the EU unless far more Americans wake up to this reality. Does it make sense for Americans and other vitamin consumers world wide to keep signing the petition at http://www.laleva.org/petizione/english/intro_eng.html between now and tuesday and after tuesday as well? Yes.Its the ONLY CHANCE we have of POSSIBLY stopping what is going on. Americans are being set up like bowling pins, and far too many arrogantly assume that nothing could ever overturn DSHEA. These people need to pull their heads out of the sand and take a very close look at what is happening with harmonization, with entities such as the Trans Atlantic Business Dialogue, the Trans Atlantic Consumer Dialogue, and the WTO's Dispute Settlement Body. They need to take a very close look at the CRN press release below where the writing is very clearly on the wall, and they need to sign the petition above as well as the petitition calling for proper oversight at http://www.garynull.com because otherwise we could be whitewashed in the Codex Oversight hearing fast approaching on February 28th,and the possibility is very strong that unless we actively get involved and educate our Congressmen, all of our witnesses could be excluded from presenting oral testimony at the hearing. Is this a bad situation? Yes. Is it hopeless? No, its not, but it could BECOME hopeless if people keep ignoring what is going on. There has been immense spin control world wide to try to hide the stealth pharmaceuticaltakeover of the natural products industry. They've been making use of controlled opposition groups, plants, double agents, bribery, pay offs, control of the mass media, but we can't pretend they're not coming for our vitamins when they make no bones about it. Look at the CRN press release below. Closely. Then look at the US News and World Report cover story which slams the dietary supplement industry at http://www.usnews.com Proof that the USA is being SET UP: U.S. and European Leaders Agree on Principles to Harmonize Dietary Supplement Regulations http://www.crnusa.org/shellnr112000.html Monday, November 20, 2000 Contact: Mike Greene 202/263-1002 mgreene@crnusa.org Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 28527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <968olq$jpd1j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: For sale Mini Beehives. Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:07:55 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.135.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 982004853 212.126.135.109 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:07:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:07:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28527 Bee Farmer I will post to U.S.A. no problem sir. All The Best. Mike Smith. http://home.clara.net/thedoor/ www.farnhamas.plus.com "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:968olq$jpd1j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Those are very nice! If they were in the U.S. I place a bit! > > Good Luck > > -- > BeeFarmer > BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > "Mike Smith" wrote in message > news:FECh6.9277$FI6.1425596@nnrp4.clara.net... > > Hello Everyone. > > I have put up three mini china beehives on E-Bay > > uk. For viewing please go here. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=559255294 > > > > Thanks. > > Mike Smith. > > > > > > Article 28528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 58 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2001 19:31:15 GMT References: <3A86FC75.BEA6AD7D@astronomy.ohio-state.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Message-ID: <20010212143115.17650.00000757@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28528 From: James Pizagno jpizagno@astronomy.ohio-state.edu >There was no suicide note left at the seen I've always believed that post-mortems are extremely important, and I never let go of a deadout until I'm satisfied as to what caused the death. Starvation is indicated by large numbers of bees in the cells with their butts out. In a period of extreme cold bees cannot move sideways to honey. Did they have honey immediately above them? You said sealed brood was present. Did it look normal, or were some of the cell caps bubbled outward. That would indicate some drone laying, a sign that your fall queen didn't get well mated and was failing already. BE SURE to check for American foulbrood, characterized by dried scales (former larvae) glued tightly to the bottom of the cells and a putrid odor. Of course dead bees and mouse pee also stink, but you should learn to distinguish these from AFB. Run a search at the page below for "AFB scale" for a picture. Varroa mites die with the bees. If this was the problem, you will see the dead mites if you look. You will also see white fecal material from the mites in the brood cells. Tracheal mites have to be diagnosed by dissection under a microscope to be sure, but deadouts from this cause are often characterized by a breakup of a lot of the cluster. Bees crawl away and are found in the corners of the hive, on the floor, and outside the entrance. If you have good breeding, tracheal mites should not be a problem. Did you see any trails of liquid bee feces all over the top bars? This indicates dysentery, which can be caused by long confinement and moisture buildup. Better ventilation helps, but we cannot entirely control the weather. One other factor may not be obvious, that is contaminated pollen that poisoned the bees when they started new brood rearing. Did you have any pesticide hits late in the season last year? Bees will sometimes die off for awhile, then store fresh pollen over the contaminate pollen. The hive seems to have recovered. Later, in winter when they reopen the contaminated pollen, and they don't have any fresh pollen with which to dilute it, they can have a high dieoff. If you are sure there is no American foulbrood, you can reuse the equipment, even the honey. Plug it up tightly or put it indoors. Put a package or nuc in the hive in the spring, and they will already have food ready to make them takeoff. If you suspect pesticide contaminated pollen, sort out the pollen frames. Either don't use them, or test them first by placing one right next to a brood area of a known good queen. If the laying pattern immediately looks like she is failing, as soon as you have open brood from her, take the pollen frame away and dispose of it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2001 19:40:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: pollen Message-ID: <20010212144057.17650.00000758@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28529 >Can someone tell me which insect eats the pollen out of the stocked frames ? >From: "Gilbert" kobbe[nospam]@ping.be There are probably hundreds of suspects for this. Many insects will eat pollen when given opportunity, especially in the beetle family. Many types of meal worms, the larvae of moths, may also be the culprit. If the cells are eaten back to the midrib or worse, it can also be mice. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For sale Mini Beehives. Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:32:40 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <968olq$jpd1j$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981984763 20755507 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28530 Those are very nice! If they were in the U.S. I place a bit! Good Luck -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Mike Smith" wrote in message news:FECh6.9277$FI6.1425596@nnrp4.clara.net... > Hello Everyone. > I have put up three mini china beehives on E-Bay > uk. For viewing please go here. > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=559255294 > > Thanks. > Mike Smith. > > Article 28531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2001 14:11:42 GMT References: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Message-ID: <20010212091142.26572.00000635@ng-me1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28531 > >Sorry Charlie, gotta agree with Ray's approach, sans trap. The only good >skunk is a dead skunk in the middle of the road, stinkin' to high >heaven. > >AL > Funny, many people I meet feel the same way about honeybees. I guess when a quick profit is the only goal anything can be justified. Tom Article 28532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail From: "Gilbert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:17:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.224.107.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pandora.be X-Trace: afrodite.telenet-ops.be 981904657 213.224.107.95 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:17:37 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:17:37 MET Organization: Telenet Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28532 Can someone tell me which insect eats the pollen out of the stocked frames ? Thanks Gilbert Article 28533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.114!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:22:18 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> <20010212091142.26572.00000635@ng-me1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982002138 21280247 216.167.138.114 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28533 >Funny, many people I meet feel the same way about honeybees. Well Tom, I feel that way about 'most' humans. (stupid fucking white men destroying everything) C.K. Article 28534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A88C872.5B1976FB@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> <20010212091142.26572.00000635@ng-me1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:38:58 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 982035015 208.235.28.20 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:15 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28534 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >Funny, many people I meet feel the same way about honeybees. > > Well Tom, I feel that way about 'most' humans. > > (stupid fucking white men destroying everything) > > C.K. Not *everything*, just unnecessary lifeforms - polio, smallpox, skunks.... AL Article 28535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Feb 2001 03:53:23 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <20010212225323.12266.00000633@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28535 >I've read that syrup is not a good form... the medicine degrades very >quickly in syrup. Patties got some (maybe undeserved?) bad rap for >contributing to resistant AFB. Mixing with sugar (or buy the pre-mixed form) >and sprinkle on top bar ends according to directions is recommended. > Terramycin degrades in 36 hours once out in syrup Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.fl.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3A8813E5.BA89DB36@ucl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: royal jelly. Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:20:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.219.1.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.fl.home.com 982005652 209.219.1.130 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:20:52 PST Organization: @Work Internet powered by @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28536 There is no evidence that truly substatiates it either way... The supposed advantages are that the naturally occuring source is much more easily absorbed and that the left over waste isn't sitting in excessive quantities within your digestive tract. Whether the excessive quanities (its pretty relative) are harmful or not are probably the best place to direct an inquiry for sources of information regarding royal jelly's health properties. -- Scot Mc Pherson http://www.behomet.net N27° 19' 56" W82° 30' 39" Paul Schooling wrote in message news:3A8813E5.BA89DB36@ucl.ac.uk... > "Oh no, another question about royal jelly." - sorry. > > Am I right: > Western beekeepers are largely uninterested in royal jelly outside of > hive care. > Eastern beekeepers are only too happy to supply all the royal jelly the > gullible are willing to buy. > Purveyors of "health products" make all sorts of claims for it and bad > mouth each other's products (eg: liquid base products versus > lyophilised). > There is no scientific evidence it is any more beneficial as a human > medicine than you might expect from a mixture of B vitamins and sugars > etc. > > However, is there any evidence that it is virtually useless as a human > medicine? > Article 28537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news-sjo.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need English Biography on Dzierzon ?? Message-ID: <3a8842d4.16348921@west.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:07:45 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:10:02 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28537 Hi Google finds tons of sites .. many German but I still have not found a good biography web site on Fr. Dzierzon TIA Dave Article 28538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Taffy Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:32:49 +1300 Organization: ihug ( New Zealand ) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <96ao2i$u1f$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p142-tnt4.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 982049682 30767 203.173.212.142 (13 Feb 2001 07:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:34:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28538 I'm looking to use honey (ie. NOT sugar) to make a taffy very similar to that used in making candied apples. Does anyone have a recipe, or know where I can find one, for honey taffy Cheers, Mark Article 28539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: References: <9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:26:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.227.9.18 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 982052802 63.227.9.18 (Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:26:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:26:42 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28539 According to MannLake, when asked about the shelf life, I was told 2-3 years if you store it in the refrigerator. This was a call I made last year and my memory wanes from day to day on some issues...... As for Patties vs. Syrup, how good are you at making patties? Do the bees eat them or ignore them? If it's the latter and it's springtime & warm - the bees will take down the syrup in a hurry (1-2 days/gallon). Mix it on the spot at the apiary. Personally, I crack open the hives and 'dust' the bees by throwing some into the cluster. It makes them mad but you'll notice they don't tolerate the mess for long. Weak or strong, bees always clean themselves. If you dust, remember to repeat - 3 treatments staggered....what was that, every 5-6 days...... (It must be off-season). If you have strong hives, follow the top bar method. The idea is to give a continuous dose to the hive including growing brood - so every bee is treated. One more point - Why is everyone using Terramycin as a cure-all, seasonal application? Could it be that most of our hives would survive 'OK' without it? Or are we covering up a massive population of hives with foulbrood spores.....termporarily? I DO use Terramycin, but as a medication on weak hives damaged by varroa during spring or fall. What you do with your hives DOES affect my hives - eventually. -hoping most of us have a terrific year, Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:42:03 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >I've got only two years experience, but since nobody has yet chimed in, I'll >give it a shot. > > wrote in message news:9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> Got a couple questions abot Terramycin. First, how about shelf life? I >> have some 2 years old, kept in fridge, still has it's original color. > >Maybe if it was in the freezer, but I wouldn't risk it. If it's important >enough to use drugs, I'd recommend using known potencies. > >> Next, how about opinions on forms of medicating. Patties or with syrup? >> What's the best? > >I've read that syrup is not a good form... the medicine degrades very >quickly in syrup. Patties got some (maybe undeserved?) bad rap for >contributing to resistant AFB. Mixing with sugar (or buy the pre-mixed form) >and sprinkle on top bar ends according to directions is recommended. > >-Steve > > Article 28540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A89250E.DC0F4B4@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> <20010212091142.26572.00000635@ng-me1.aol.com> <3A88C872.5B1976FB@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:14:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 982066036 206.231.24.144 (Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:07:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:07:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28540 I used to use poisoned eggs to take care of my skunk problem. With your hive tool, make a small hole, half the depth of an egg, in front of the hive being predated by skunks. Chip the top off an egg, and place it in the hole. Add some poison to the egg. No more skunk. I used zinc phosphide that I got from the orchard. They used it for mouse poison. I've have also heard of people using strychnine. Nasty dangerous stuff. I don't do this anymore, because you can't be sure the skunk is the only animal to eat the egg. I usually did this in the evening, and returned the next morning to remove any uneaten eggs. Once I discovered a dog eating the egg, and that was the end of the poisoned egg trick for this beekeeper. Mike Article 28541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A8A22BA.AEFF8009@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? References: <3A876D17.121DD1E6@midwest.net> <20010212091142.26572.00000635@ng-me1.aol.com> <3A88C872.5B1976FB@midwest.net> <3A89250E.DC0F4B4@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:16:26 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 982123676 208.235.28.30 (Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:07:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:07:56 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28541 Yeah Tom & Charlie, I'm feelin' mighty ashamed of myself now - how 'bout we all make up and sing a song together.... heh heh heh AL Crossing the highway late last night he shoulda looked left and he shoulda looked right. He didn't see the station wagon car the skunk got squashed and, there you are. Ya got your dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road stinking to high heaven Take a whiff on me that ain't no rose roll up yer window and hold yer nose. Ya don't have to look and ya don't have to see cause you can feel it in your ol-fac-to-ry. Ya got your dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road stinking to high heaven Yeah ya got your dead cat and ya got yer dead dog on a moonlight night ya got yer dead toad frog. Got yer dead rabbit and yer dead raccoon the blood & guts they're gonna make you swoon. Ya got your dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road dead skunk in the middle of the road stinking to high heaven. Dead Skunk Loudon Wainwright III (1972) Article 28542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.11!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:43:27 -0600 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <95g0n201jsr@drn.newsguy.com> <28111-3A7B9CA2-127@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 981924207 20731128 216.167.138.11 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28542 > Just >a breath of reality. >Ray You know Ray, shotgunning a small cat like creature noted to be an endemic carrier of rabies, probably creates an extensive cloud of particles. The 'hot zone' around infectious 'vectors,' is thought to be about a ten foot radius in normal circumstances, I bet an 'explosive' overkill as you've described must extend this area out a lot further. I'm sure as one of God's creatures yourself, he has a plan for you too, and apropos to that, the next time you go and get your hound vaccinated for rabies, you better get one too. C.K. Article 28543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A8A53F3.DC800CB7@diablo-ca.com> From: Mike Mascaro Organization: Diablo MicroSystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginning Beekeeper References: <20010209111919.26070.00000201@ng-cd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:43:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.212.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com 982143817 65.0.212.206 (Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:43:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:43:37 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28543 http://www.honeybee.com/ is our local website for the SF area Clubs.. The Mt. Diablo Beekeepers Association has over 100 member we meet once a month in WC. there are a couple other smaller clubs in the Area. Mikey... MDBA Dave Green wrote: > >I live in San Francisco Bay area and am interested in keeping bees. Are > >there any clubs or groups in my area that I could join to learn beekeeping? > > Your county extension agent should know of bee clubs > > Also, some regional clubs are listed at Who's Who inBeekeeping, which you > can find at A.I. Root Co http://www.airoot.com > Your state bee extension person should be there. I think it's still Dr. Musson > at Davis. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:53:24 GMT References: <3A8A22BA.AEFF8009@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How to solve skunk problem? Message-ID: <20010214085324.01507.00001121@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28544 Dead Skunk is a great tune I kinda like Randy Newmans Big Hat no Cattle. Tom Article 28545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.lattis.xara.net!nntp.netconnect.net.uk!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.103.111.5!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J. Wayne Fowler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mixing fumidil and Teramycin Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:35:00 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-MbcPhDKljREk9EKTpY18vTDfAnHhlmXpSB7lbZSA5N5jnqFwnA3HrmAHMNVl4X588xX6GhvzJXWlNAs!oUr3G4W70e4gswl8TWHvkczrPNg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:32:39 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28545 I am getting ready to feel with sugar water and Fumidil. Has anyone tryed mixing Teramycin and Fumidil with the sugar water, making it a one step treatment. J. Wayne Fowler Article 28546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J. Wayne Fowler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mixing Fumidil and Teramycin Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:46:08 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ufxAeVCXOTV6wsV+Z6pLWYVR3DmFqFQLDTOUf2jl+kuAevmYFJXgm7RVNN5EgoeEbi6zB+k2rV/7iPS!0vNvrnfR+44ZhXHvSkQMViD4Wq4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:38:45 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28546 I am getting ready to feed sugar water and Fumidil. Has anyone tried mixing Teramycin with the Fumidil treatment, making it a one step treatment. J. Wayne Fowler Article 28547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J. Wayne Fowler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fumidil and Teramycin Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:58:47 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-WoxO1X9oX9a233dP+ikgNH7gOjSyhIMTWYKivg88SvLg92x4u3Fu5q1NBuo6qaj0a9b1kEhuvGCQglj!sLA4nm4qfPJca3Ah2Wx+44SRHIE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:58:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28547 I am getting ready to feed sugar water and Fumidil. Has anyone tried mixing Fumidil and Teramycin with the sugar water, making it a one step treatment Article 28548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Fumidil and Teramycin Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:01:22 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28548 I don't think mixing the two is a good idea. Terra breaks down quickly in water and by the time the bees consume it, it may not be a full dose. I think the question you should ask is, should I use Terra? If you haven't broken down with AFB or seen spores in your hives, I would wonder if your preventative use of it is doing the bees more harm than good in the long run. chris 85 hives in NE Iowa (Terra-free for 4 years) "J. Wayne Fowler" wrote in message news:kDyi6.3178$Jp2.102832@news6.giganews.com... > I am getting ready to feed sugar water and Fumidil. Has anyone tried > mixing Teramycin with the Fumidil treatment, making it a one step > treatment. > J. Wayne Fowler > > Article 28549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bob Brock Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ‘Mad bee disease’ hits French honey harvest Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 7127.i-america.net X-Trace: 14 Feb 2001 19:46:20 -0500, 7127.i-america.net Organization: Heller Information Services Lines: 22 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!outfeed2.news.cais.net!216.200.68.4.MISMATCH!news1.his.com!vienna7.his.com!7127.i-america.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28549 http://thescotsman.co.uk/world.cfm?id=45647 Susan Bell In Paris MILLIONS of French honeybees suffering from "mad bee disease" are becoming so disoriented they are unable to find their way back to their hives, causing a dramatic drop in honey production. Honey bees will die within hours if they cannot find their way home. Only bees collecting nectar from sunflowers appear to be affected and environmentalists are pointing the finger at a systemic pesticide, Gaucho. Yesterday the government ordered a two-year extension of a ban on using Gaucho on sunflower seeds, to allow more study of its impact on bees. Gaucho is used to coat seeds before sowing and moves through the plant via the sap. It is based on imidaclopride, a chemical that acts on the nervous systems of a wide variety of pests, including wireworm and aphids. Article 28550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Fumidil and Teramycin Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:02:01 -0700 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <96gno4$ljjpp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982245957 22662969 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28550 > > I am getting ready to feed sugar water and Fumidil. Has anyone tried > > mixing Teramycin with the Fumidil treatment, making it a one step > > treatment. There is no problem mixing the two. This has been tested and they do not interact. Each will work fine. As previously mentioned, though, while the Fumidil is stable, the OTC will degrade fairly quickly, especially in warm conditions or sunlight. Nonetheless, syrup feeding of OTC has proven very effective -- better than dust -- if the bees consume it within a few days. allen Article 28551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: charlie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:26:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A9B1BCD@MailAndNews.com> X-InterChange-Posted-By: charlie5266@MailAndNews.com Sender: charlie X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28551 i finally found someone that will extract the bees from a wall in my house. i live on the mississippi gulf coast. the company wants $265 to do it. does that sound reasonable? he said they do it at night when all the bees are in the hive. will ALL of the bees be in the hive at night? he said he doesn't take the honey. my concern is that if i get in there to clean all the honey etc out the bees he didn't get may still be around. i'm sort of paranoid about anything that flies and stings ;) springtime is approaching so if i get rid of these bees now, what are the chances of another colony moving in? i know another swarm would be attracted to the smell of the honey from the former colony. what can i do to mask or get rid of that smell? i haven't actually gotten up there to look at it (afraid of the bees), but my guess is that i cannot completely seal off all the possible entrances to the location of the hive. the hive is accessible from my attic and there are many different ways a bee could get into my attic. the other problem is that the hive is in a wall of my bedroom so i don't want to put something in there that stinks like crazy. according to my neighbor, this bee problem has been on an off for many years in the same spot in my house. i need any advice on how to permanently keep bees out of this spot. the guy also said that honey bees can bore through wood and that there could be extensive damage in there. is this true? charlie Article 28552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WARNING:4.9mm buyer beware!! Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:00:43 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <96h95b$n4t$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-9-170.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 982263787 23709 209.23.9.170 (15 Feb 2001 19:03:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:03:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28552 Hi All, For those who will try 4.9mm foundation to control parasites and disease naturally here's a warning. The foundation being produced by Dadant measures 4.98. It really is just about the same thing as 5.0mm and is not good enough to gain any control. It is good for first regression however it will not give the proper results in most areas. So bee careful and find another source until the problem is corrected. Let Dadant know you are interested in 4.90mm foundation or they my take it as unprofitable and not mill the stuff. Clay Article 28553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:15:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3a8c44e8.362689032@news1.radix.net> References: <3A9B1BCD@MailAndNews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28553 On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:26:19 -0500, charlie wrote: >i finally found someone that will extract the bees from a wall in my house. >i >live on the mississippi gulf coast. the company wants $265 to do it. does >that sound reasonable? > >he said they do it at night when all the bees are in the hive. will ALL of >the bees be in the hive at night? he said he doesn't take the honey. my >concern is that if i get in there to clean all the honey etc out the bees he >didn't get may still be around. i'm sort of paranoid about anything that >flies and stings ;) > >springtime is approaching so if i get rid of these bees now, what are the >chances of another colony moving in? i know another swarm would be >attracted >to the smell of the honey from the former colony. what can i do to mask or >get rid of that smell? i haven't actually gotten up there to look at it >(afraid of the bees), but my guess is that i cannot completely seal off all >the possible entrances to the location of the hive. the hive is accessible >from my attic and there are many different ways a bee could get into my >attic. > the other problem is that the hive is in a wall of my bedroom so i don't >want >to put something in there that stinks like crazy. > >according to my neighbor, this bee problem has been on an off for many years >in the same spot in my house. i need any advice on how to permanently keep >bees out of this spot. > >the guy also said that honey bees can bore through wood and that there could >be extensive damage in there. is this true? > >charlie > The price seems fair enough. I think that I would find somebody else to do it though. The honey must come out and the cavity must be scraped clean. It is impossible to get all the bees without removing the combs. The cavity should be aired out for a couple of days allowing nearby bees to do the final cleaning. The cavity is then filled with fiberglass insulation and resealed. Generally the stuffing of the cavity and repairs are the homeowners responsibility. Honey bees don't bore through wood. It sounds like the guy has very little experience or knowledge when it comes to honey bees. I would pass and find someone else as screwing up with them can really get out of hand quickly. Just the fact that you took the time to post here shows that you have some doubts. Gut feelings are quite often correct. You can contact your department of agriculture (apiary inspection division) and find a beekeeper that does this work. beekeep Article 28554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Feb 2001 04:48:42 GMT References: <3A9B1BCD@MailAndNews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Message-ID: <20010215234842.21693.00001145@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28554 From: charlie charlie5266@MailAndNews.com >he said he doesn't take the honey. If he's going to poison the bees and leave the nest intact, drop him fast. As long as the bees are in good shape, they will keep the honey dry and clean. When they die, the honey will absorb humidity from the air and ferment. Then it will run down your walls. You will also have vemin attracted to the dead bees and brood. Every bit of the hive must be cleaned out, the cavity packed with fiberglass insulation, and every crack well plugged. A lady near here had one of the "hit and run" exterminators do a nest of bees in her wall. He charged her $300 to puff a little Sevin dust into the cavity. The honey fermented and ruined about $1500 worth of drywall. This may be a novel thought, but have you considered coexisting with the bees. When I was a kid we had bees in the wall of the back side of the house for quite a few years. They didn't bother us and we didn't bother them. And they kept the garden pollinated. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca Subject: CFV: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:20:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 982300846 24.163.160.238 (Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:20:46 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:20:46 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28555 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:250 rec.food.historic:24357 rec.org.sca:314210 There is a vote on this group. The Call For Votes (CFV) can most easily be found in news.announce.newgroups. It has also been posted to news.groups, rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. You can also obtain a copy from the votetaker at . The CFV contains specific information about how to vote. Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking chadden@contecrayon.com Article 28556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!news.cali.co.uk!212.1.136.16 From: "Ann - Scotland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96h95b$n4t$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: health, healing and bee products Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3a8cee04.0@news.cali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:08:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.47.10 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 982314504 62.172.47.10 (Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:08:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:08:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28556 Hello to all I'm a new member to the group. I'm a beekeeper in the east of Scotland and have been reading your messages for a few days to get the feel of the group. As well as a beekeeper, I'm also an aromatherapist, and very interested in the healing aspects of all products from the hive and how they can be used in conjunction with aromatherapy, essential oils etc. I'm also interested in the uses of essential oils in fighting bee diseases I'd be really interested in any information in this respect that members have to offer Thanks in advance Ann - Scotland Article 28557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Mad bee disease' hits French honey harvest Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:34:41 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 67 Message-ID: <96jvg1$kr4$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 982352193 21348 203.96.192.183 (16 Feb 2001 19:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 2001 19:36:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28557 Hi Bob Thanks for drawing our attention to this update, also I received an email recently which raises an interesting question for me about the sanity of introducing seedlines such as Gaucho into our environment, and the 'insanity of approving a pesticide which makes all parts of a plant poisonous, for use on plants which produce nectar and pollen attractive to bees' This is an extremely serious issue !! :-( ..... :-( ...... :-( Following comments received in email yesterday:- From: Peter Kerr Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Mad Bee disease http://thescotsman.co.uk/world.cfm?id=45647 " claims a 30% reduction in hive numbers & honey production since the introduction of Gaucho. Some of this may well be due to other causes (varroa?) But the well documented transport of imidacloprid via sap, specifically targetting leaf chewing & sap sucking pests means it must also be present in the nectar, & probably in pollen too. Mad cow disease was aptly named because the person who thought of the idea of feeding meat to cows was mad, as were the British Govt who persisted in allowing those feeds to be sold overseas even after banning them in Britain. Mad bee disease refers to the insanity of approving a pesticide which makes all parts of a plant poisonous, for use on plants which produce nectar and pollen attractive to bees :-( peterk" ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brock Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: 'Mad bee disease' hits French honey harvest > http://thescotsman.co.uk/world.cfm?id=45647 > > Susan Bell In Paris > > MILLIONS of French honeybees suffering from "mad bee disease" are > becoming so disoriented they are unable to find their way back to > their hives, causing a dramatic drop in honey production. > > Honey bees will die within hours if they cannot find their way home. > Only bees collecting nectar from sunflowers appear to be affected and > environmentalists are pointing the finger at a systemic pesticide, > Gaucho. Yesterday the government ordered a two-year extension of a ban > on using Gaucho on sunflower seeds, to allow more study of its impact > on bees. > > Gaucho is used to coat seeds before sowing and moves through the plant > via the sap. It is based on imidaclopride, a chemical that acts on the > nervous systems of a wide variety of pests, including wireworm and > aphids. > > > Article 28558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Emil Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Beekeeping Software Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2kkj6.1148$d22.89105@news3.atl> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:15:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.88.131 X-Trace: news3.atl 982372734 216.78.88.131 (Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:18:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:18:54 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28558 This is an invitation from the folks At The Mabesoone Family Apiary. We'd like you to check out the new beekeeping software we have available. It's a fully functional version and not just a demo that only has parts that work. Check out the link below and download your free version of BeeKeeper 2 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/a/p/apism/mynista.htm Article 28559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl!news3.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Emil Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96ao2i$u1f$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Honey Taffy Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:22:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.78.88.131 X-Trace: news3.atl 982373103 216.78.88.131 (Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:25:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:25:03 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28559 Check out this page. It has the recipe on it along with a lot more http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/a/p/apism/candy.htm Ed "m12345" wrote in message news:96ao2i$u1f$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > I'm looking to use honey (ie. NOT sugar) to make a taffy very similar to > that used in making candied apples. Does anyone have a recipe, or know where > I can find one, for honey taffy > > Cheers, Mark > > Article 28560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: charlie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: bee extraction fees and other questions Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:25:03 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A99FE42@MailAndNews.com> X-InterChange-Posted-By: charlie5266@MailAndNews.com Sender: charlie X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28560 >===== Original Message From pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) ===== >From: charlie charlie5266@MailAndNews.com > >>he said he doesn't take the honey. > >If he's going to poison the bees and leave the nest intact, drop him fast. he's not going to poison them. he said he removes the wall and then sucks all the bees up with some kind of vacuum thingie. > Every bit of the hive must be cleaned out, the cavity packed with fiberglass >insulation, and every crack well plugged. great ;( > A lady near here had one of the "hit and run" exterminators do a nest of >bees in her wall. He charged her $300 to puff a little Sevin dust into the >cavity. The honey fermented and ruined about $1500 worth of drywall. i had considered just killing them. thanks for changing my mind. > This may be a novel thought, but have you considered coexisting with the >bees. When I was a kid we had bees in the wall of the back side of the house >for quite a few years. They didn't bother us and we didn't bother them. And >they kept the garden pollinated. i've coexisted with them for 2 or 3 years now. the problem is that i need a new roof and nobody will work on the roof with all those bees there. charlie Article 28561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Graphics Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:59:00 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 982425552 63.197.142.62 (Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:59:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:59:12 PST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28561 Hopefully someone can point me into the right direction I'm looking for different bee and beekeeping graphics,,,they can't be actual photos,, need to be graphics. In particular,,,I'm looking for some pix of a beekeeper,,,and some of a swarm. 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MPIJ@FL*?PJ#"PL*:PJ"]G[V]O9H#FIH#O9J:F0.:=W<#`W@#FG<#`ID#F0,# FF9F9H*"]&L*9H.X:P@"\F9IW`YH#F0/LF0(#`YD#O ,#`W<#FI,` ` end Article 28563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96mumk$qb52@news.vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Bee Graphics Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:37:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.38 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 982453033 12.73.40.38 (Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:37:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 23:37:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28563 Yawn....... -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message news:96mumk$qb52@news.vtx.ch... > try this > J Kimbro a écrit dans le message : > kdxj6.454$_r6.280216@news.pacbell.net... > > Hopefully someone can point me into the right direction > > > > I'm looking for different bee and beekeeping graphics,,,they can't be > actual > > photos,, need to be graphics. In particular,,,I'm looking for some pix of > a > > beekeeper,,,and some of a swarm. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Article 28565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Feb 2001 07:20:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: venom Message-ID: <20010218022012.03376.00000552@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28565 From what bee comes the most potent venom? Made a presentation to an adult group last week and that was the question. Don't recall reading/hearing the answer anywhere. Buzzylee Article 28566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!b3bab.pppool.DE!not-for-mail From: "Melanie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hornets and wasps-pictures wanted Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:25:44 +0100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <96o828$m5lka$1@ID-74880.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: b3bab.pppool.de (213.7.59.171) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982492040 23254666 213.7.59.171 (16 [74880]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28566 Hello, everyone, I'm looking for some nice pictures of different wasps and hornet-species and their nests; esspec. of non-european species. Any ideas ? Thanks for your help ! Melanie Article 28568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "Snuggs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <1QQj6.1182$xe.12019@news.inreach.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:20:56 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.66.216 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 982505853 209.209.66.216 (Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:17:33 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:17:33 PST Organization: InReach Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28288 sci.agriculture.fruit:3876 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28568 or you could just format your hard drive and deny everything wrote in message news:3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk... > Watch out you, are YOU being checked.............. > > Have you viewed illegal pictures > > You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact! > > Deleting "Internet Cache and History" will NOT protect you > because any of the Web Pages, Pictures, Movies, Videos, Sounds, > E-mail, Chat Logs and Everything Else you see or do could easily be recovered > > This is the answer................... http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A653704 > > Surf safely folks! > ktdsmjctrutfmjopyhcljhmhzgm > Article 28569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: "Nobody" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where can I find some downloadable books on Internet Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Organization: Information Highway.com Inc. -- http://www.ihiway.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:34:08 -0500 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28569 Article 28570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: s_l_kidman@zbee.com (S.l.kidman) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Bee Jokes Message-ID: <982514437@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:41:56 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/103 b4c96752 REPLY: 240:244/101 0a6267f9 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg(405) question:- What is worse than being a fool? Answer:_ Fooling with bees! X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 982516565 peer2.news.dircon.net 65090 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28570 --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/103) Article 28572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hornets and wasps-pictures wanted Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:08:40 +0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3A901DB8.FD456D7D@btinternet.com> References: <96o828$m5lka$1@ID-74880.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-183-61.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28572 Have you looked at the Excite collection of Photographs. go to www.excite.com and search their photo database. Melanie wrote: > Hello, everyone, > I'm looking for some nice pictures of different wasps and hornet-species and > their nests; esspec. of non-european species. > Any ideas ? > > Thanks for your help ! > Melanie Article 28573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!skynet.be!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Beekeeping Software Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:09:50 +0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3A901DFE.9B16574A@btinternet.com> References: <2kkj6.1148$d22.89105@news3.atl> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-183-61.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28573 Sorry, tried the link but it doesn't work. Emil Mabesoone wrote: > This is an invitation from the folks At The Mabesoone Family Apiary. > > We'd like you to check out the new beekeeping software we have available. > It's a fully functional version and not just a demo that only has parts that > work. > > Check out the link below and download your free version of BeeKeeper 2 > > http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/a/p/apism/mynista.htm Article 28574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.87!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:19:03 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5k709toehgl6147tduk2gsqanbm1t0c8n2@4ax.com> References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> <1QQj6.1182$xe.12019@news.inreach.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982523918 23235507 216.167.138.87 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28289 sci.agriculture.fruit:3877 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28574 That was spam, this is information: Get instead a free program called 'eraser' at the following url: http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/. From the manual: "Your first thought may be that when you delete a file, the data is gone. Not quite, when you delete a file, the operating system does not really remove the file from the disk; it only removes the reference of the file from the file system table. The file remains on the disk as long as another file is created over it, and even after that, it might be possible to recover data by studying the magnetic fields on the disk platter surface. Before the file is overwritten, anyone can easily retrieve it with a disk maintenance or an undelete utility." Selective files can be erased such as 'cookies' 'cache' 'history' in browsers also any 'free' space (deleted files) can be overwritten on a regular basis. Military specs. available for the profoundly guilty, or just paranoid. It's 'freeware' but he will take contributions, hell so will I. Postcards are accepted too. The dude's done a lot of good design and hard work, a well thought out application. Remember: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is hard to achieve, harder to hold. Someone somewhere wants you fired from your job or in prison right now; in the U.S.A. the numbers don't lie. C.K. Article 28575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "Snuggs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> <1QQj6.1182$xe.12019@news.inreach.com> <5k709toehgl6147tduk2gsqanbm1t0c8n2@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:40:18 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.68.49 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 982528600 209.209.68.49 (Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:36:40 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:36:40 PST Organization: InReach Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28290 sci.agriculture.fruit:3878 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28575 And this whole time I just didn't do illegal things with my computer....hmmm....maybe....na never mind Thanks for the tip on the free program Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:5k709toehgl6147tduk2gsqanbm1t0c8n2@4ax.com... > That was spam, this is information: > > Get instead a free program called 'eraser' at the following url: > > http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/. > > From the manual: > > "Your first thought may be that when you delete a file, the data is gone. Not > quite, when you delete a file, the operating system does not really remove the > file from the disk; it only removes the reference of the file from the file > system table. The file remains on the disk as long as another file is created > over it, and even after that, it might be possible to recover data by studying > the magnetic fields on the disk platter surface. Before the file is > overwritten, anyone can easily retrieve it with a disk maintenance or an > undelete utility." > > Selective files can be erased such as 'cookies' 'cache' 'history' in browsers > also any 'free' space (deleted files) can be overwritten on a regular basis. > > Military specs. available for the profoundly guilty, or just paranoid. > > It's 'freeware' but he will take contributions, hell so will I. Postcards are > accepted too. The dude's done a lot of good design and hard work, a well > thought out application. > > Remember: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is hard to achieve, > harder to hold. Someone somewhere wants you fired from your job or in prison > right now; in the U.S.A. the numbers don't lie. > > C.K. > > Article 28576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!news.chello.at!not-for-mail From: "Katzenvater" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:24:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.17.102.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.chello.at X-Trace: news.chello.at 982535046 212.17.102.13 (Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:24:06 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:24:06 MET Organization: Customers chello Austria Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28292 sci.agriculture.fruit:3879 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28576 really nice ... an what has this to do with sci.agriculture.fruit? schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk... > Watch out you, are YOU being checked.............. > > Have you viewed illegal pictures > > You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact! > > Deleting "Internet Cache and History" will NOT protect you > because any of the Web Pages, Pictures, Movies, Videos, Sounds, > E-mail, Chat Logs and Everything Else you see or do could easily be recovered > > This is the answer................... http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A653704 > > Surf safely folks! > ktdsmjctrutfmjopyhcljhmhzgm > Article 28577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jan Visser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96h95b$n4t$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Re: WARNING:4.9mm buyer beware!! Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:48:37 +1100 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: async164-cam-isp-2.nas.one.net.au Message-ID: <3a90600a_4@news01.one.net.au> X-Trace: 19 Feb 2001 10:51:38 +1100, async164-cam-isp-2.nas.one.net.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!async164-cam-isp-2.nas.one.net.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28577 Hi Clay, Are you talking about Pitch or Hole size? And what is Important? With a given Pitch the Hole is dependant on the wall thickness, Example 1: .1mm wall thickness on 4.98mm Pitch gives 4.88mm hole size Example 2: .2mm wall thickness on 4.98mm Pitch gives 4.78mm hole size I understand between new built foundation and old used foundation the hole size gets smaller in size. Is this good for controlling Varroa this small cell size? The older the foundation the better control of Varroa for a larger Pitch size? It does not make sense for controling any disease to use old foundation! Does it make smaller Bee's these older foundation or newer type small cells? JAN VISSER huestis wrote in message <96h95b$n4t$1@newsfeed.logical.net>... >Hi All, > >For those who will try 4.9mm foundation to control parasites and disease >naturally here's a warning. The foundation being produced by Dadant >measures 4.98. It really is just about the same thing as 5.0mm and is not >good enough to gain any control. It is good for first regression however it >will not give the proper results in most areas. So bee careful and find >another source until the problem is corrected. Let Dadant know you are >interested in 4.90mm foundation or they my take it as unprofitable and not >mill the stuff. > >Clay > > > > Article 28578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "Snuggs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:33:43 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.67.161 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 982546199 209.209.67.161 (Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:29:59 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:29:59 PST Organization: InReach Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28294 sci.agriculture.fruit:3880 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28578 The same thing it has to do with sci.agriculture.poultry...... I think we were making a point to others out there who might think this spam is for-real and give up thier money for something that they either don't need (since they aren't doing illegal things on thier computers) or that they could get for FREE off of the internet. Really I believe Charlie and myself were showing people that SPAM is not a worthwhile endevor on this bb. But thanks for asking Katzenvater wrote in message news:aYXj6.192570$1C6.6712670@news.chello.at... > really nice ... an what has this to do with sci.agriculture.fruit? > > schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk... > > Watch out you, are YOU being checked.............. > > > > Have you viewed illegal pictures > > > > You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact! > > > > Deleting "Internet Cache and History" will NOT protect you > > because any of the Web Pages, Pictures, Movies, Videos, Sounds, > > E-mail, Chat Logs and Everything Else you see or do could easily be > recovered > > > > This is the answer................... > http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A653704 > > > > Surf safely folks! > > ktdsmjctrutfmjopyhcljhmhzgm > > > > Article 28579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee extraction fees and other questions Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <07d19tc8eh5c8m3m8iei9hdmf7u4qrb2qb@4ax.com> References: <3A99FE42@MailAndNews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:03:18 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.227.63.142 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 982562591 63.227.63.142 (Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:03:11 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:03:11 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28579 Charlie, It's pretty hard to vacuum up the bees without rmoving the comb. Perhaps what he meant was that you could keep the honey once removed? Either way, the wax has to come out unless you want to find another bee swarm there this summer. Gauranteed you won't be able to scrape off every inch of wax nor rid your house of honey once bees have built there. Neighbor bees WILL swarm there - just a matter of time. Remove the wax/honey. Extending ~3 feet of the old hive, stuff with fiberglass insulation. Bees will still smell the old hive but probably won't be interested (same risk as everyone at that point). As for boring holes in wood - unlikely. I've seen bees chew on drywall (soft) but never (!) damage any wood - and I have an extensive list of removals. If anything, they propolise and seal the wood. If a flood carried off your home, you would find comfort to know the hive section would still look like new. My usual charge is $200-$300 and save the bees, wax and honey. On average the job takes 2-4 hours and stings number 0 to 30. The homeowners are left with the repair. Homeowners receive instructions how to prevent attracting new swarms. Over 90% of the hives I pull out are repeated pesticide kills - year after year. Homeowners aren't doing themselves or the feral bee population any favor by having bees killed with sevin - at $75-$150 a pop. Do the job right and have your bees removed by a beekeeper. This summer I hope to put up a website guided toward feral removals - sort of a "how-to" for other beekeepers - and maybe a contact spot where homeowners like yourself can find area beekeepers willing to save bees. Facing Varroa mites, it's all the more important to save surviving feral hives. Here's one thing more to think about. Even though you need a new roof, those bees once removed have a zero chance of survival unless removed during warm weather. The beekeeper has to put out those bees into a new hive immediately. If it's not 50-(F)+ yet where ever you live, the bees won't survive. Can you put off your roof for another month or two? Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:25:03 -0500, charlie wrote: >> This may be a novel thought, but have you considered coexisting with the >>bees. When I was a kid we had bees in the wall of the back side of the house >>for quite a few years. They didn't bother us and we didn't bother them. And >>they kept the garden pollinated. > >i've coexisted with them for 2 or 3 years now. the problem is that i need a >new roof and nobody will work on the roof with all those bees there. > >charlie Article 28580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!195.40.0.165.MISMATCH!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!newreader.ukcore.bt.net!news.cali.co.uk!212.1.148.65 From: "Ann - Scotland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Don`t get caught............................please read . 5854 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3a90cdfb.0@news.cali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:40:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.172.47.10 X-Trace: newreader.ukcore.bt.net 982568448 62.172.47.10 (Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:40:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:40:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.poultry:28300 sci.agriculture.fruit:3881 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28580 I wondered that too! "Katzenvater" wrote in message news:aYXj6.192570$1C6.6712670@news.chello.at... > really nice ... an what has this to do with sci.agriculture.fruit? > > schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:3a8f8cdb$17_1@plato.netscapeonline.co.uk... > > Watch out you, are YOU being checked.............. > > > > Have you viewed illegal pictures > > > > You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact! > > > > Deleting "Internet Cache and History" will NOT protect you > > because any of the Web Pages, Pictures, Movies, Videos, Sounds, > > E-mail, Chat Logs and Everything Else you see or do could easily be > recovered > > > > This is the answer................... > http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A653704 > > > > Surf safely folks! > > ktdsmjctrutfmjopyhcljhmhzgm > > > > Article 28581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Jean François LONGY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Imidacloprid press release Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:30:12 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <96rl30$jc4$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-1-36.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 982603680 19844 193.251.26.36 (19 Feb 2001 17:28:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Feb 2001 17:28:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28581 Hi all, read a selection of articles and press release about Gaucho and imidacloprid at this adress : http://www.beehoo.com/news.php3?id=9 Best regards Jeff www.beehoo.com the beekeeping directory. Article 28582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping and computers! Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:59:41 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 122 Message-ID: <96r8fq$bpe$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip74.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 982590778 12078 195.249.242.74 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28582 Bidata is again available, and I have peace in mind! The software is full revised, and each function tested. There are some important expansions leading towards queen breeding, but first I want to come with some general thoughts abut using computer in connection with beekeeping. we have all in mind to take notes when we are working with the bees, at least it is our intention and if not, then we don't earn the word beekeeper. So I assume that those reading this news are doing some job here. But now, what notes to take?. They must be relevant to the beekeeping and at least cover the most important things. For some years, I have been thinking of this and how to make the most out of the notes. First of notes are based on observations and pure facts about things we find important. But some notes are more important than other, but all is based on our feelings about what is important. Various beekeeper associations have put out notecards to help beekeepers to take notes. And I think that those cards are common in each country and also gather the same information's all over. I have build my software on this fact and even if a software of this kind likely must be a compromise I think that I cover all important data there is to be. First what can you gain of information when you enter the bee Yard? The sound tells a lot, and can give a hint of the situation in the yard. When you visit a hive you can from outside get a lot of information's. Are the bees working, do you find dead pupas or bees with crippled wings in front of the hive. Are the bees aggressive. Are the bees seeming not to work as usual. Do you hear piping from the hive. When opening the hive do the bees jump on you, fly up in a hundred of numbers, or are they just sitting at the top of the frames watching you. Are they easy to control. Can it be done with water added a little vinegar, or a puff from the pipe if you smoke, or is it needed to use the smoker heavily to be able to work with the bees. Pulling out frames are they difficult to get out, are thy glued together, and when examined, are there sign of AFB, EFB and other diseases. How is the foundation build out. Are there brood present and in what stages. How is the visual brood pattern. As you can see there is a lot of factors to observe, and to make notes about, but it can also be to much, simply because there is no time to make all those notes, which often lead to dropping taken notes, because there are pressure work to be done. And then when getting home what is then done with the notes. I bet that you will save the analysing to a more comfortable time, after the beekeeping season. And then what to do with all this information?? Are You then still in the mood? or have all that notetaking work been done for nothing. I will not go into competition with other beekeeping software available but here is my suggestion for an all-round software not limited to only beekeeping in one country. Queen breeder Register card (build on the Swedish queen register card) with dropdown lists for a lot of stuff.Index calculation on hives can give a help to determine, which hives to keep. It also gives access to a graphic show of hives that gives a visual sight to compare from.. Disease form with dropdown lists for diseases, treatment and control. the forms have changed to tabbed notebook format to get a better overview. Number of frames in a hive is now reflected when you enter a new hive-note. Multi-selection of hives to handle. means that you only have to e.g. enter disease treatment ones and then by accepting the entries, add to all selected hives. This also goes for data entries to hives and some of the hive manipulations. To multi-select use Ctrl + mouse-click. Hives in a yard can be additional grouped. Such as identified by placement on e.g. pallets. If grouped the hives will be kept together. Hives can also be marked colored, so that it is easy to spot a hive on the screen. E.g. a hive you must follow, or a group of hives to visual make it more easy to spot on the screen. You can let the software create the first records for all your families and at the same time group them all in one run.. Barcodes to identify your hives with can be created and put on Avery labels or printed out on letter paper. the barcodes will contain visual information on hive and queen too. This barcode concept can also be used in conjunction with a Stationary scanner to e.g. identify boxes and weight before and after harvest, thereby let a scanner Software calculate the amount of harvest The palm OS software now also support scanning of hive labels to place you on the correct record on the Palm OS compatible Handheld device. backup of data added. If you use this facility when leaving the software, you will have the ability to restore data after an eventually power failure. The software is free for use up to 10 hives and will not expire. The handheld Software is available again with the following fixed. Hotsync errors now runs on handheld without first making a hotsync. using a scanner implemented in handheld software (need synchronisation with the PC bidata) if You are using the handheld in the Beeyard then I suggest you let the stylus sit in handheld and use a roller pen without ink instead of. the software will be released in a few days and announced under my alias Apimo, so keep turned if you followed me That far. EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Message-ID: <982618178@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:45:38 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b4cdda3e REPLY: 240:44/0 4faf662b PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 83 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 982620252 peer2.news.dircon.net 65090 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28583 Someone has to stick up for the UK approach to this one Chuck out the Terramycin and dont buy any more. I believe it only masks AFB but does not kill the spore stage which will re-infect the colony as soon as terramycin is stopped. We wait till the disease shows its head - diagnosis is easy (dead capped brood with perforated, sunken greasy cappings; a matchstick pushed into a dead melted pupa pulls out a string of evil smelling glue-like gunk.) Then close the colony in the evening, pour in 1/3 pint of petrol, dig a pit, burn all combs, frames bees etc, and scorch hive boxes, floors, roofs, qx, cover boards etc to a dark brown/blackened colour to steralize them. Then we start again with fresh frames, foundation, and new bees from a disease free source. Other precautions are good apiary hygene practice, restricting transmission between colonies, and banning the movement of bees from an infected apiary for at least 6 weeks when all colonies are re-checked for signs of disease. This system works a real treat. We now have very little incidence of AFB (one colony in ten years among my bees) Terramycin use is restricted to EFB treatment under the direction of government bee inspectors only) AFB is a notifiable disease - like Foot & Mouth and Swine Fever is for farm animals- and destruction of all infected colonies is compulsary. And we have a cheap Bee Diseases Insurance scheme (BDI) that pays out for new equipment etc. You can defeat AFB but you must stop using Terramycin to succeed. Andrew McManus S> From: "Steve Huston" S> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping S> References: <9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> S> Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? S> Lines: 22 S> X-Priority: 3 S> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal S> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express S> 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft S> MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: S> S> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:42:03 GMT S> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 S> X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net S> X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 981996123 S> 66.31.137.46 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:42:03 EST) XRef: S> zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4928 S> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:42:03 EST S> Organization: Road Runner S> Path: S> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news S> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!easynet-uk!easyne S> t.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.i S> cl.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out S> .cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!ch S> nws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.media S> one.net.POSTED!not-for-mail S> I've got only two years experience, but since S> nobody has yet chimed in, I'll give it a shot. S> wrote in message S> news:9643g2$fbp$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> Got a couple questions abot Terramycin. First, how >> about shelf life? I have some 2 years old, kept in >> fridge, still has it's original color. S> Maybe if it was in the freezer, but I wouldn't risk S> it. If it's important enough to use drugs, I'd S> recommend using known potencies. >> Next, how about opinions on forms of medicating. >> Patties or with syrup? What's the best? S> I've read that syrup is not a good form... the S> medicine degrades very quickly in syrup. Patties S> got some (maybe undeserved?) bad rap for S> contributing to resistant AFB. Mixing with sugar S> (or buy the pre-mixed form) and sprinkle on top bar S> ends according to directions is recommended. S> -Steve --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jan Visser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Warning buyer beware Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:32:59 +1100 Lines: 83 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: async173-cam-isp-1.nas.one.net.au Message-ID: <3a91ad1b_3@news01.one.net.au> X-Trace: 20 Feb 2001 10:32:43 +1100, async173-cam-isp-1.nas.one.net.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!async173-cam-isp-1.nas.one.net.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28584 Yes it is clear now you are talking about Pitch which is not cell size as I explaned to you it varies with the thickness of the walls so the foundation they sell might have the right cell diameter you are after, Greetings JAN -----Original Message----- From: huestis To: Jan Visser Date: Tuesday, 20 February 2001 8:54 Subject: Re: WARNING:4.9mm buyer beware!! >Hi Jan, > >Jan I am talking about cell size(worker). Measuring 10 cells starting from >the inside wall to the outside wall of the last cell. Take this number >divide by 10. If number is 4.90 that is the right cell size. I'm not >talking about old combs at all. It has been found by some beekeepers in the >USA that bees can survive mites on 4.9mm cells (but no larger) without >chemicals. Due to the suppression of mites the secondary diseases are put >in check. No one is doing research on this and many beekeepers are testing >for themselves. Dadant has produced the foundation but is having milling >problems it seems. For more info go to www.beesource.com/ . Look under >Point Of View in article by Dee Lusby for more info. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jan Visser >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:48 PM >Subject: Re: WARNING:4.9mm buyer beware!! > > >> Hi Clay, >> >> Are you talking about Pitch or Hole size? And what is Important? >> >> With a given Pitch the Hole is dependant on the wall thickness, >> >> Example 1: .1mm wall thickness on 4.98mm Pitch gives 4.88mm hole size >> Example 2: .2mm wall thickness on 4.98mm Pitch gives 4.78mm hole size >> >> I understand between new built foundation and old used foundation the hole >> size gets smaller in size. >> Is this good for controlling Varroa this small cell size? The older the >> foundation the better control of Varroa >> for a larger Pitch size? It does not make sense for controling any disease >> to use old foundation! >> >> Does it make smaller Bee's these older foundation or newer type small >cells? >> >> JAN VISSER >> >> >> >> huestis wrote in message <96h95b$n4t$1@newsfeed.logical.net>... >> >Hi All, >> > >> >For those who will try 4.9mm foundation to control parasites and disease >> >naturally here's a warning. The foundation being produced by Dadant >> >measures 4.98. It really is just about the same thing as 5.0mm and is not >> >good enough to gain any control. It is good for first regression however >> it >> >will not give the proper results in most areas. So bee careful and find >> >another source until the problem is corrected. Let Dadant know you are >> >interested in 4.90mm foundation or they my take it as unprofitable and >not >> >mill the stuff. >> > >> >Clay >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Article 28585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Feb 2001 16:24:27 GMT References: <96o828$m5lka$1@ID-74880.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: hornets and wasps-pictures wanted Message-ID: <20010219112427.03080.00001777@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28585 From: "Melanie" webmaster@hymenoptera.de >I'm looking for some nice pictures of different wasps and hornet-species and >their nests; esspec. of non-european species. Try http://pollinator.com/goldenrod/htm and other areas of this web site. (Run a search from the index page.) More will be placed on this web site during the coming season. These are available free for nonprofit use, according to the conditions listed at the site. Some are available in higher quality format than the web pictures. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:09:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Few bees question. Message-ID: <20010219230927.02938.00001829@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28586 Why are the bees are Black in Winter than in the Summer? Does this mean Black tail bees live longer during the Winter than light Three band? Was some of it are the same one which staying in the hive long in the dark place with out Sun which might cause the tail black? Last Fall there were alot of nice looking one and this coming Feb. there was alots of ugly Black Tails Bees. ( Are mean too ) One fellow said he check his hive this week and one of it empty. The bees are gone and there were alot of it worker die inside the comb about 5" circle head first. But, still have plenty of honey and pollen. ( cold spell ? ) Tim Article 28595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.170!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Questions? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:24 -0600 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2s799t0rsbfmutajtidfo36e1e5074ofrc@4ax.com> References: <982618178@zbee.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.170 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982819584 24689084 216.167.138.170 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28595 Peter Edwards said: >... and EFB is out of control! Proves the point. So..let's see you're saying that 'because' of restricted use of Terramycin that EFB is out of control? . Based on what you said, does 'it' mean you think that by NOT using Terramycin 'freely' as Americans are want to do, (even as a 'growth' promoter) EFB would not then be a problem? I'm under the impression that EFB although messy, is about the same as AFB without the spores. AFB has shown 'resistance' to Terramycin in America because of it's casual and unprofessional use. I would then suppose if that's what you meant, you're one of those dumbbells that think that 'government' should 'stay out of our lives' so that corporations can have a less 'regulated' approach to inviting everyone to use as much Terramycin as they want? I'm sure you didn't mean that; but, if you did, you've been misled. If I'm wrong about your cryptic post, then accept my regrets in advance. C.K. Article 28596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? References: <3a9331f8.19205642@news.infoave.net> <970h8h$n0ckg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:02:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 982842872 206.231.24.151 (Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:54:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:54:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28596 And I bet in South Carolina they are! BeeFarmer wrote: > Apistan does work... for Varroa! Unless of course your mites are resistant > to it! > Article 28597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan and tracheal mites? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:59:18 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9732f8$ms3co$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3a9472b8.10284856@news.infoave.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982846760 23989656 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28597 I would suggest reading the instructions on the Apistan box.. it will tell you all you need to know. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html wrote in message news:3a9472b8.10284856@news.infoave.net... > Thanks for the info on the varroa mite. > How about it working on tracheal mites? > My bees are gathering pollen fairly heavily now. Do I still have > enough time to place Apistan in the hive for the needed length of > time? > > DM McNeal > n4zo@amsat.org Article 28598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A94FF71.F275143E@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:00:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 982842786 206.231.24.151 (Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:53:06 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:53:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28598 I would rather place the sealed brood in the center, with the foundations on the outside-together. I have seen queens refuse to cross the newly drawn comb. The brood combs on the other side don't get used by the queen, and are filled with honey. Mike David Eyre wrote: > It's always a problem to change over to new frames, which one first? To > place a new box of foundation on top without a care means it will become > another honey super, not what you need! You'll need to put the new box on > top, but get the bees up there really quickly and working the foundation. > I would recommend you bring up old frames preferably sealed brood and > interleave them with the new foundation, avoid two foundations together. Article 28599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Feb 2001 22:35:24 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28599 Well I just received some thymol and I am trying it out. I have a few test hives (hives that I cannot seem to get the mites out of). Anyway I placed seven mites in 2lb jar with some crystals and put the lid on. I wasn't too happy with the intital results since it took about an hour for the mites to die, but they did die. I'm figuring since its not very warm down here yet that evaporation rate in the jar wasn't phenominal. Hopefully in the hive environment it will work better. I'm starting with one ounce of crystals per hive packaged in small lunch sacks (beer bags). Thymol is actually a food flavoring agent therefore would be a non-chemical method of mite control. It has also been stated that thymol is an anti-fungal and cures chalk brood. If anyone else has tried this I would like to hear your results. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:28:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3a959eca.92833438@news1.radix.net> References: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28600 On 22 Feb 2001 22:35:24 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: >Well I just received some thymol and I am trying it out. I have a few test >hives (hives that I cannot seem to get the mites out of). Anyway I placed seven >mites in 2lb jar with some crystals and put the lid on. I wasn't too happy >with the intital results since it took about an hour for the mites to die, but >they did die. I'm figuring since its not very warm down here yet that >evaporation rate in the jar wasn't phenominal. Hopefully in the hive >environment it will work better. I'm starting with one ounce of crystals per >hive packaged in small lunch sacks (beer bags). Thymol is actually a food >flavoring agent therefore would be a non-chemical method of mite control. It >has also been stated that thymol is an anti-fungal and cures chalk brood. If >anyone else has tried this I would like to hear your results. > > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Wrong! Check with your pharmacist, thymol can cause liver damage in small quantities, I believe. Do not eat the stuff. It does work on the mites pretty good though. I take a 125 gram jar of thymol, add an ounce of menthol and an ounce of campher. Then I fill the jar with eucaliptus oil and let stand until disolved. Delivery is on rung out celulose sponge halves on to each hive. I have been using it for years with no problems. I alternate it with fluvalinate treatments. beekeep . Article 28601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 34 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Feb 2001 00:57:22 GMT References: <3a959eca.92833438@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <20010222195722.00597.00000125@nso-fy.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28601 In article <3a959eca.92833438@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) writes: >Thymol is actually a food flavoring agent therefore would be a non-chemical method of mite control.>> I dont want to start a thread, but groan, food flavoring agents are most certainly chemicals. Here are the safety concerns of Thymol according to the manufacturer: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Potential Health Effects ---------------------------------- This compound resembles phenol in its systemic actions, but is less toxic because it is almost insoluble. Inhalation: May cause irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing and shortness of breath. May be absorbed into the bloodstream with symptoms similar to ingestion. Ingestion: Produces abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, central hyperactivity (e.g., talkativeness), and occasionally convulsions, coma and cardiac and respiratory collapse. Oils and alcohols may promote absorption into the body. May cause kidney and liver damage. Skin Contact: May cause irritation with redness and pain. Eye Contact: May cause irritation, redness and pain. Article 28602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Feb 2001 03:21:51 GMT References: <20010222195722.00597.00000125@nso-fy.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <20010222222151.10184.00000256@ng-fg1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28602 Wow... And they flavor foods with this stuff. So is a danger of honey contamintaion with thymol?. The packaging says that it can be used a a syrup feed for curing chalkbrood. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 28603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any comments on Apistan? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:56:49 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: <974pi2$p15$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3a9331f8.19205642@news.infoave.net> <970h8h$n0ckg$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.16 X-Server-Date: 23 Feb 2001 04:39:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28603 Do the mesh bottom boards really help to control Varroa mites? David A. michael palmer wrote in message news:3A94FFD3.AE71F895@together.net... > And I bet in South Carolina they are! > > BeeFarmer wrote: > > > Apistan does work... for Varroa! Unless of course your mites are resistant > > to it! > > > > > Article 28604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.218!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:07:15 -0600 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.218 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 982904837 24622632 216.167.143.218 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28604 I must have posted this about a thousand times, but I'll post it again: I use Thymol in a sugar solution, ostensibly to actually feed bees, with the Thymol sol. being there for anti fermentation. As Thymol in America will make everything in the solution and the hive it's being fed to 'smell' like Listerine, it won't actually 'taint' anything in the hive, it is poisonous of course, but not in the quantities you'll be using. The mites don't seem to care for this. You'll have a big increase in mite 'drop.' but no larger than say the Dr. Frank Eischen's dried grapefruit leaves and creosote bush, smoke, just a bit slower acting. Here's the mix: Get a pharmacist to mix up a 2% solution of thymol crystals and everclear (100% ethanol) then add: 5cc of this solution to: 1 gal of syrup made up by mixing 3 pounds of sugar to 2 quarts of water, and topping up to one gallon when clear. This solution 'fumes' the hive and feeds the bees too. C.K. Article 28605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:44:29 -0600 Organization: Colesburg Apiaries Message-ID: References: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28605 I want to reask Beekeep's question; Is thymol labeled for bees? chris Article 28606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:08:22 -0500 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.23.106 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.23.106 Message-ID: <3a966ee5_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 23 Feb 2001 09:08:37 -0500, 208.161.23.106 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!208.161.23.106 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28606 Greetings! We are currently updating our web page. Due to limited space allowed by my ISP, we need to start a mailing list. If you wish to bee updated,please go to the below link and register. All future updated articles will bee sent to those that are listed. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Regards, Herb/Norma Bee -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:13:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3a96296e.128326316@news1.radix.net> References: <20010222195722.00597.00000125@nso-fy.aol.com> <20010222222151.10184.00000256@ng-fg1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28607 On 23 Feb 2001 03:21:51 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: >Wow... And they flavor foods with this stuff. So is a danger of honey >contamintaion with thymol?. The packaging says that it can be used a a syrup >feed for curing chalkbrood. > > >Robert Williamson What packaging? Is thymol available labeled for bees? beekeep Article 28608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best Breed? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:05:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3A945D85.3F16944C@bellsouth.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28608 A better bet, log onto the Bibba list and look for an article there on the types of bee Racial/Strain, it's very interesting. Made me sit up and take notice of the type on climate etc. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:t98ta7g6oso165@corp.supernews.com... > > Dave <> wrote in message news:3A945D85.3F16944C@bellsouth.net... > > I would like to know what is the best breed of HoneyBee, for living in > > central Florida. > > I live in Orlando, and I am interested in getting a hive or two. > > why, a central florida breed, of course...see d&j apiaries online at > http://bee-company.com/index.htm > > Article 28609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:12:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28609 Thymol is not labeled for bees. But then a lot of stuff people put into hives isn't listed either. You do what you have to to keep your bees alive. There is no compensation if you follow the official position and still your bees die!!!! Regards Dave..... > I want to reask Beekeep's question; Is thymol labeled for bees? > > chris Article 28610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fluvalinate in candles? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:28:34 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3a96d5ea$0$26130@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 982963690 26130 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28610 I understand that once Apistan is used in a hive, the combs present in the hive at that time become unsuitable for future storage of honey (at least for human consumption). So after a while, when there's lots of brood comb that's old (and contaminated with fluvalinate) and needs to be culled - what can you do with the wax? Can you make candles out of fluvalinate-contaminated wax? Or wouldn't it produce potentially poisonous fumes when the candle is burnt? Article 28611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Feb 2001 21:54:51 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Message-ID: <20010223165451.02879.00001659@ng-fb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28611 I want to reask Beekeep's question; Is thymol labeled for bees? Not in the states. Robert Article 28612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A970471.B174D7F5@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom References: <20010218022012.03376.00000552@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:46:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 982975598 64.244.8.120 (Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:46:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:46:38 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28612 I have read that the Cow killer or Velvet Ant (actually a wasp) has the most potent individual sting. It supposedly earned its name by the reputation of the female’s sting. It is said that the sting is so painful that it could kill a cow. Obviously an exaggeration, but I'm sure it is painful none the less. Of course, if you are allergic to Hymenopterous insect stings, they can all be quite deadly. Chris D. LKLarson1 wrote: > From what bee comes the most potent venom? Made a presentation to an adult > group last week and that was the question. Don't recall reading/hearing the > answer anywhere. > > Buzzylee Article 28613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pierco frames Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:38:51 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.250.108 Message-ID: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> X-Trace: 24 Feb 2001 02:42:16 GMT, 129.37.250.108 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.gtei.net.MISMATCH!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.prserv.net!129.37.250.108 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28613 HI ALL I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING THANKS ,PHIL Article 28614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:33:06 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 21 Message-ID: <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-7-223.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 983028929 14054 209.23.7.223 (24 Feb 2001 15:35:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2001 15:35:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28614 Hi Phil, I like them. Never had any problems with them being drawn out. Also they have a smaller cell size. Therefore more cells per frame. Thus more brood "could" be raised on them. Wax moths and rodents can't hurt the base. Just scrape them down and bees will redraw them. Also, they are very strong when extracting and I usually have very few blow outs with them. Not to mention the labor saved. The only draw back for me is that I like wood not plastic. Now I use wood frames with pierco foundation. Clay Crown Point, NY wrote in message news:3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net... > HI ALL > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY > SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > THANKS ,PHIL > > Article 28615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate in candles? Date: 24 Feb 2001 08:10:06 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 41 Message-ID: <978mcu02l5d@drn.newsguy.com> References: <3a96d5ea$0$26130@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-583.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News v2.65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28615 "Spike says... >I understand that once Apistan is used in a hive, the combs present in the >hive at that time become unsuitable for future storage of honey (at least >for human consumption). So after a while, when there's lots of brood comb >that's old (and contaminated with fluvalinate) and needs to be culled - what >can you do with the wax? Can you make candles out of >fluvalinate-contaminated wax? Or wouldn't it produce potentially poisonous >fumes when the candle is burnt? Fair warning, this is merely "armchair detective" work here, based merely upon what I have read... The issue here is how MUCH contamination one has. I think if you read the articles, you may find that the contamination must be measured in ppm (parts per million). PDB is also a problem in comb that is stored over winter with the PDB to prevent wax moth infestation, but this comb is clearly used for honey. The level of PDB in stored comb is sure to be higher than the level of fluvalinate found in brood combs (assuming that the strips were taken out on time.) I have yet to hear of any cases where the contamination was above the "parts per million" level, so I'm going to guess that the only "poisonous" fumes from any candle are going to be the usual by-products of normal combustion and are going to be no risk to anyone. I guess that one could collect "lampblack" from some number of candles and have it looked at by a lab to see the actual level of fluvalinate in the smoke, but I would wonder if the process of burning would leave the fluvalinate unchanged. I'm not sure I could even DO the biochem equations to figure out what is produced when one burns fluvalinate, so I'm not going to guess. Anyone got a gas chromatograph lying around and some time on their hands? Article 28616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate in candles? Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:09:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3a97ea15.618272@news1.radix.net> References: <3a96d5ea$0$26130@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28616 On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:28:34 -0700, "Spike Psarris" wrote: >I understand that once Apistan is used in a hive, the combs present in the >hive at that time become unsuitable for future storage of honey (at least >for human consumption). So after a while, when there's lots of brood comb >that's old (and contaminated with fluvalinate) and needs to be culled - what >can you do with the wax? Can you make candles out of >fluvalinate-contaminated wax? Or wouldn't it produce potentially poisonous >fumes when the candle is burnt? > > I don't think that you can even buy wax foundation that fluvalinate can't be detected in anymore. While it disolves readily in wax the stuff simply doesn't get into honey. beekeep Article 28617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol and Mites Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:47:31 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010222173524.04042.00001012@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28617 I appreciate Dave's sentiment about keeping his bees alive, but I would draw the line at putting unlisted 'stuff' in my hive... and in my honey. Not only is the beekeeper liable for poisons and contaminants showing up in his/her honey, the entire industry is liable. It wouldn't take more than a couple of sick honey lovers, poisoned by illegal treatments, to send our already weak consumption rate in the US down the tubes. My two cents. chris www.greathoney.com Article 28618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cletus.bright.net!not-for-mail From: "Kendal Smucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:22:53 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.212.153.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@bright.net X-Trace: cletus.bright.net 983020918 205.212.153.169 (Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:21:58 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:21:58 EST Organization: bright.net Ohio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28618 Greetings from Ohio! A couple of possibilities come to mind. First, you could drum the bees from the old, lower box into the newer, upper box. Tap on the sides of the hive with a rubber mallet with a steady beat. I've never seen what frequency of beat to use, but I suspect a slower "swing" beat would be better than heavy metal. Second, you could raise an old frame (nearly empty) to the upper box; the queen likes to lay in older comb, so she might go on up and start laying quicker with that ruse. Regardless of which method you may use, or none at all, once you see eggs above, put an excluder between the two boxes to keep her up there. As the young bees hatch out of the lower box the frames in the bottom will not be refilled with honey or stores as the bees prefer to put this above the nest--ergo, be prepared to super above your second chamber sooner than you thought! The bees will bring up any leftover stores from below and put it in the correct (from their point of view) location. Kendal Smucker Bellefontaine, Ohio, USA {Now, I just know you will be telling your beekeeping buddies about this email from the American and what a wonderful thing the Internet is, and all. Just to help you get it straight, the name of my town has a French spelling, but uses an English pronunciation: Bell Fountain} "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:mdl59tk4slamf18ofsj6jkt1fa4qq9bkbi@4ax.com... > With three of my hives this year I want to replace all the brood combs > and boxes. I believe I know how to do this but could do with any > comments/guidance people could offer. > > I understand that I should put the new box with frames and new > foundation, on top of the old box, without foundation and then feed > rapidly to provide enough food for wax building. From what I have been > told the bees should build up the foundation and the queen will then > migrate into the top box. Once this happens I can remove the lower > box, shake out all the bees into the new box and discrad the old > frames. > > Does this sound correct? > Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old box? > My concern is that I would expect them to start storing honey in the > new brood box, not start laying in it. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > Steve Newport > Sussex, England > Article 28619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: venom Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:13:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010218022012.03376.00000552@ng-cg1.aol.com> <3A970471.B174D7F5@mail.tqci.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28619 some sources cite the tarantula-hawk wasp's as the most painful sting in north america, with cow-killer's/velvet-ant's next in line...personally, bumble bee stings are bad enough...see http://west.pima.edu/~bfiero/tucsonecology/ANIMALS/ARTH_TAHA.HTM Christopher Drazba wrote in message news:3A970471.B174D7F5@mail.tqci.net... > I have read that the Cow killer or Velvet Ant (actually a wasp) has the most > potent individual sting. It supposedly earned its name by the reputation of the > female's sting. It is said that the sting is so painful that it could kill a > cow. Obviously an exaggeration, but I'm sure it is painful none the less. Of > course, if you are allergic > to Hymenopterous insect stings, they can all be quite deadly. > > LKLarson1 wrote: > > > From what bee comes the most potent venom? Made a presentation to an adult > > group last week and that was the question. Don't recall reading/hearing the > > answer anywhere. Article 28620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> Subject: Re: pierco frames Lines: 19 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:13:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.41.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 983038428 12.73.41.94 (Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:13:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:13:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28620 Akin to Velcro. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net... > HI ALL > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY > SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > THANKS ,PHIL > > Article 28621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A98266E.B7678691@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 38 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:23:58 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 983042400 208.235.28.12 (Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:20:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:20:00 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28621 By that George must surely mean that it ranks up there with the man's greatest achievements like duct tape, WD-40, and the thermos bottle. Personally I use Rite-cell foundation with wooden frames and have had no problems - I think it's pretty much along the lines of Pierco foundation. My next purchase of Rite-cell will be basic black - I hear its fashionable these days, and you can see the uncapped brood better against the black background. AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* George Styer wrote: > > Akin to Velcro. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > wrote in message news:3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net... > > HI ALL > > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY > > SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > > THANKS ,PHIL > > > > Article 28622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A981D7C.D6FE8F2D@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:46:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.27.39 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 983047575 64.229.27.39 (Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:46:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:46:15 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28622 Hi Phil I've used Pierco and rite cell last year and love them both equaly. The pierco i find is best in the brood chambers and the rite cell is best in the honey supers as i found the bees drew the comb out farther and filled it more to the edges than the pierco. in the brood nest their was no difference. But the biggest advantage of the pierco is NO ASSEMBLY REQUIRED. I cant tell you how long it took me to assemble 200 frames and foundation last year, time i could have been doing other things in the bee yard. Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries sanger@dellepro.com wrote: > HI ALL > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY > SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > THANKS ,PHIL Article 28623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:52:39 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-ORNBSjoukl5qHBMzUfoV1RSHEk2FFJHQmfkM1wSya3VEfnRUPvUJGKZ9hBJTZduGioZJYrVKGeg/Hq1!We4kS785FogdSvoeemmdMno+rw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:52:37 -0800 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28623 To some you with lots of experience: Will this work for replacing old brood comb? Put a new brood box on the bottom with ten frames of foundation. Find the queen and put her in and put an excluder on it. Then put the original hive (old brood box(s) and all) on top. After the new foundation is drawn out, the queen is laying, and the old brood has merged, take the old brood box with old comb and excluder out. I've never tried this, but it sound logical to me. Comments/suggestions? Thanks Mark The dictionary is the only place where success comes before work. -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:mdl59tk4slamf18ofsj6jkt1fa4qq9bkbi@4ax.com... > With three of my hives this year I want to replace all the brood combs > and boxes. I believe I know how to do this but could do with any > comments/guidance people could offer. > > I understand that I should put the new box with frames and new > foundation, on top of the old box, without foundation and then feed > rapidly to provide enough food for wax building. From what I have been > told the bees should build up the foundation and the queen will then > migrate into the top box. Once this happens I can remove the lower > box, shake out all the bees into the new box and discrad the old > frames. > > Does this sound correct? > Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old box? > My concern is that I would expect them to start storing honey in the > new brood box, not start laying in it. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > Steve Newport > Sussex, England > Article 28624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:06:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 65 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28624 The original post was to change frames. Your way will make for another honey super as the bees will fill it with stores. Regards Dave...-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Me" wrote in message news:bPXl6.13420$Yx4.535618@news6.giganews.com... > To some you with lots of experience: > > Will this work for replacing old brood comb? Put a new brood box on the > bottom with ten frames of foundation. Find the queen and put her in and put > an excluder on it. Then put the original hive (old brood box(s) and all) on > top. After the new foundation is drawn out, the queen is laying, and the > old brood has merged, take the old brood box with old comb and excluder out. > > I've never tried this, but it sound logical to me. Comments/suggestions? > > Thanks > Mark > > The dictionary is the only place where > success comes before work. > > > -- > Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) > > If what you're doing seems too hard..., > You're probably doing it wrong. :-) > "Steven Newport" wrote in message > news:mdl59tk4slamf18ofsj6jkt1fa4qq9bkbi@4ax.com... > > With three of my hives this year I want to replace all the brood combs > > and boxes. I believe I know how to do this but could do with any > > comments/guidance people could offer. > > > > I understand that I should put the new box with frames and new > > foundation, on top of the old box, without foundation and then feed > > rapidly to provide enough food for wax building. From what I have been > > told the bees should build up the foundation and the queen will then > > migrate into the top box. Once this happens I can remove the lower > > box, shake out all the bees into the new box and discrad the old > > frames. > > > > Does this sound correct? > > Is there any guidance as to WHEN to remove the old box? > > My concern is that I would expect them to start storing honey in the > > new brood box, not start laying in it. > > > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > > > Steve Newport > > Sussex, England > > > > Article 28625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:16:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28625 > I like them. Never had any problems with them being drawn out. Also they > have a smaller cell size. Therefore more cells per frame. Thus more brood > "could" be raised on them. Wax moths and rodents can't hurt the base. Smaller cells? With the discussions raging on cell size this statement made my eyes water! Are you sure about this, as it would supply a great deal of answers as to why some draw it easily and others can't stand the stuff. Who was the manufacturer? Please, can you be precise? I am really interested in this viewpoint. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 28626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!194.176.220.130!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: andrew.mcmanus@zbee.com (Andrew Mcmanus) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Bee Jokes Message-ID: <983112611@zbee.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:01:52 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/197 b4f35d04 REPLY: 240:244/103 b4c96752 PID: FDAPX/w 1.15 UnReg S> question:- What is worse than being a fool? S> Answer:_ Fooling with bees! X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: 983115606 peer2.news.dircon.net 18119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28626 Why is Tarzan the father of modern beekeeping ? He was the first apiarist. Why is a professional beekeeper like a zoo worker ? They both work in an apiary. A very old one: What is the difference between a dead bee and an elephant ? one is a see-dy - beast and the other is a bee - de-ceased. More to follow - but they are all groaners. --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/197) Article 28627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-7.internode.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:55:28 -0700 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <97bh0k$oull4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-7.internode.net (198.161.229.199) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983123798 26171044 198.161.229.199 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28627 Pierco uses a 5.25mm cell. Combined with the larger area allowed by the smaller top and bottom bars, this allows around 20% more brood per frame than some other foundations. 5.25mm is the average natural size of cell made by free European honeybees according to many independent observations worldwide over many years, and thus Pierco uses that true natural size. There is a lot of talk of using 4.9mm cells with EHB, but that is the natural size for AHB, and just coincidently happens to be the foundation size that they use in South Africa. I have 10,000 Piercos (black) and like them very much. Pierco is manufactured by Pierco Incorporated, City of Industry, CA, USA 91744 allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ "David Eyre" wrote in message > Smaller cells? With the discussions raging on cell size this statement > made my eyes water! Are you sure about this, as it would supply a great deal > of answers as to why some draw it easily and others can't stand the stuff. > Who was the manufacturer? Article 28628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <97bh0k$oull4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: pierco frames Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5ocm6.6315$Op3.327888@news4.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:44:17 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-tLP7zBMbI3PO3MJsxqm0zDI6wiIPyBgHaF4qWxU9NnjosDdZiH6vwupJ40T6Vv18klijlj3uVxboSij!kJtFNvMUYb/bv9Oj8AL80yjndOu5OKQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:44:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28628 Ahhhhh, I see "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:97bh0k$oull4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > Pierco uses a 5.25mm cell. Combined with the larger area allowed by the > smaller top and bottom bars, this allows around 20% more brood per frame > than some other foundations. > > 5.25mm is the average natural size of cell made by free European honeybees > according to many independent observations worldwide over many years, and > thus Pierco uses that true natural size. > > There is a lot of talk of using 4.9mm cells with EHB, but that is the > natural size for AHB, and just coincidently happens to be the foundation > size that they use in South Africa. > > I have 10,000 Piercos (black) and like them very much. > > Pierco is manufactured by > Pierco Incorporated, City of Industry, CA, USA 91744 > > allen > -- > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > "David Eyre" wrote in message > > Smaller cells? With the discussions raging on cell size this statement > > made my eyes water! Are you sure about this, as it would supply a great > deal > > of answers as to why some draw it easily and others can't stand the > stuff. > > Who was the manufacturer? > > Article 28629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Feb 2001 19:26:50 GMT References: <3a97ea15.618272@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fluvalinate in candles? Message-ID: <20010225142650.26935.00002732@ng-mh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28629 Once the full season is complete for me, I will in fact do some testing on wax, propolis , honey etc for several of the "normal" medications used. More for my own curiosity than anything. I have access to a variety of analytical instrumentation--being the Technical Director for an Environmental testing laboratory. TIM MORRIS Article 28630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate in candles? Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:43:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3a9997ff.110678080@news1.radix.net> References: <3a97ea15.618272@news1.radix.net> <20010225142650.26935.00002732@ng-mh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p35.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28630 On 25 Feb 2001 19:26:50 GMT, morristh@aol.com (MORRISTH) wrote: >Once the full season is complete for me, I will in fact do some testing on wax, >propolis , honey etc for several of the "normal" medications used. More for my >own curiosity than anything. I have access to a variety of analytical >instrumentation--being the Technical Director for an Environmental testing >laboratory. > >TIM MORRIS Samples of honey were taken from different beekeepers here in Maryland. One was known to spray maveric on the inner covers, one used maverick on towels, and the other used apistan. Testing for fluvalinate in ppm, it was not detected in any of the samples. beekeep Article 28631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2001 04:25:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Dead cluster? Message-ID: <20010225232507.15335.00000011@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28631 The temp. getting warmer today. I went out to check on the hive with one super on it. No bees are working. When ahead take off the lid and inter cover and there were 20% honey still in there and I remove the super, There were dead Cluster about 3/4 of gal. of dead bees in between four racks at the top. 40% are inside the cell head first while all other were stick on the outside of it. There were little white mold on them, no honey, no pollen, no eggs and all the combs are clean ( dark brown) Fact have not found any dead queen yet. Since this is in Va. I don't what is the problem is??? I have been feeds them and treat it with mite control. My other are doing good and is getting pretty strong. Thanks for the output. Tim Article 28632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2001 04:27:35 GMT References: <968q1s$kb0fm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Message-ID: <20010225232735.15335.00000012@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28632 >found your frozen cluster. Probably with their butts sticking out from the >comb. I am sure there can be other causes however, many beekeepers have Same problem here and don't what cause it. Sorry I'm newbie here. Tim Article 28633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!edtntnt8-port-175.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing Brood Combs Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:56:10 -0700 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <97cni4$ojvr9$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt8-port-175.dial.telus.net (161.184.198.175) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983163269 25821033 161.184.198.175 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28633 > > With three of my hives this year I want to replace all the brood combs > > and boxes. Do you mind if I ask why? allen Article 28634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Alan Norris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <94v37n$dqh$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Electric wire embedder Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:53:49 +0800 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3a99e160$0$26048@echo-01.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: i196-160.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 983163232 26048 203.59.196.160 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28634 Nothing flash all you need is a transformer that gives out between 5 and12 Volts with a couple of wires with bare ends to touch on the frame wire. You may need a little practice so that you don't cut the foundation in half, but you soon get used to it. Alan JPA555 wrote in message <20010204173538.03137.00000840@ng-fe1.aol.com>... >I want to build one a electric wire embedder, what the hell you can all kind of >transformers at radio shack.... all I need is somebody to give me plans to do >so... is there anybody out here that has built one? Article 28635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Alan Norris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:02:56 +0800 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3a99e384$0$26055@echo-01.iinet.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: i196-160.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 983163780 26055 203.59.196.160 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28635 I use Pierco frames and they are wonderful. Just solid blocks of honey comb, straight with no holes. Haven't tried them in the brood nest yet. I just put them in the hive along with some wooden frames with beeswax foundation, the bees drew these out first and then started on the plastic. Alan sanger@dellepro.com wrote in message <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net>... >HI ALL > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY >SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > THANKS ,PHIL > > Article 28636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "B" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee repellant Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:52:36 +1100 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: async230-syd-isp-242.nas.one.net.au Message-ID: <3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au> X-Trace: 26 Feb 2001 18:53:02 +1100, async230-syd-isp-242.nas.one.net.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!async230-syd-isp-242.nas.one.net.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28636 Is there an essential oil or similar that will repel bees without harming them? Tony Article 28637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead cluster? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:14:51 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 23 Message-ID: <97dv0h$4to$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <20010225232507.15335.00000011@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 983203665 5048 195.249.242.2 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28637 > there were 20% honey still in there and I remove the super, There were dead > Cluster about 3/4 of gal. of dead bees in between four racks at the top. It might be having been so cold, that the bees could not move to new storage, causing starvation. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. free of charge up to 5 hives. soon up to 10 hives. will not expire. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:43:44 -0800 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 48 Message-ID: <97e89g$bap$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-10-78.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 983213168 11609 209.23.10.78 (26 Feb 2001 18:46:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:46:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28638 Hi David, Yes, pierco frames have a smaller cell size. Not to argue with Allen but I thought pierco frames measure 5.2mm cells and the foundation you use in wood frames is 5.25mm. With no disrespect to Allen, 4.9mm is definitely the size for AHB "BUT" it is still in the range for EHB. I don't want to start the war on cell size again. But if 4.9mm cells can control mites on EHB then I can't see any reason not to test this! If Dee Lusby is correct and 4.9mm cells can control disease and parasites it needs to be tested. I plan on testing this year. I'll know the truth of the matter in two years. With Apistan resistant mites in my area and my refusal to use check mite. I think biological control of mites by using smaller cell size is as good any other option at this point(maybe better). I am not endorsing this for anyone else but myself. Just seems a waste if we don't give it a chance to prove itself. Oh, by the way Allen is it true you are retiring this year? It would be regrettable if so. Clay David Eyre wrote in message news:t9i88gcovhl45c@corp.supernews.com... > > I like them. Never had any problems with them being drawn out. Also they > > have a smaller cell size. Therefore more cells per frame. Thus more > brood > > "could" be raised on them. Wax moths and rodents can't hurt the base. > > Smaller cells? With the discussions raging on cell size this statement > made my eyes water! Are you sure about this, as it would supply a great deal > of answers as to why some draw it easily and others can't stand the stuff. > Who was the manufacturer? > Please, can you be precise? I am really interested in this viewpoint. > Regards Dave....-- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > > Article 28639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!edtntnt8-port-148.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:12:45 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <97ed8n$opkjg$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <978kc1$dn6$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <97e89g$bap$1@newsfeed.logical.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt8-port-148.dial.telus.net (161.184.198.148) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983218266 26006128 161.184.198.148 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28639 > I thought pierco frames measure 5.2mm cells and the foundation you use in wood > frames is 5.25mm I measured some the other day when I was looking at a competitive product and recall it was in the 5.2 to 5.25 range. When we get that close, it really isn't that important IMO. What is significant is large departures from the natrual size in either direcrtion. Larger means a less compact brood nest and perhaps slightly larger bees, smaller means more pupae per area and perhaps constricted pupae and smaller resulting bees. It's easy to measure with a metric ruler laid across 10 cells. The result is divided by ten to get the average. Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/CellCount.htm for more details and the results of my worldwide straw poll. You can jump from there to Barry's page on the same topic where he documents conclusions that are opposite to mine. > Oh, by the way Allen is it true you are retiring this year? It would be > regrettable if so. I am. Retiring, that is -- but it doesn't mean I'm going away :) It's my wife's idea and I am going along with her on it. We'll see what I wind up doing. Read all about my metamorphosis at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ . As someone was heard to say, "And the saga continues..." For those who hate the wait one-by-one on those picture laden pages, I have posted a new printable version (not complete) that currently allows getting from Oct 2000 to present (more coming soon) in one d/l of five minutes or less. That html file can even be printed, if anyone thinks it is worth 75 pieces of paper. allen Article 28640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:59:28 GMT References: <97dv0h$4to$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead cluster? Message-ID: <20010226135928.22808.00000010@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28640 >It might be having been so cold, that the bees could not move to new >storage, causing starvation. > That is what I though but, was not sure. Tim PS. I clean it today and so far have not found the dead queen. Article 28641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2001 19:03:20 GMT References: <97drh4$mlv$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Message-ID: <20010226140320.22808.00000011@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28641 >most reason for this is starvation. Are you sure you have left enough behind >for the bees. > Yes I have. There were three racks still have the honey. The honey racks were at the far end of side of Super. The cluster were near the other corner. Sound like it were too cold to reach it? Tim Article 28642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much nectar?? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:24:33 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.56.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 983222673 210.215.56.154 (Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:24:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:24:33 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:24:33 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28642 Hi Can anyone tell me how much nectar a bee can carry? If you do know, where did you get the information from? Thanks -- Barry Metz Article 28643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: 26 Feb 2001 14:59:37 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <97ecj9$qta$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28643 In article <3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au>, B wrote: >Is there an essential oil or similar that will repel bees without harming >them? > > >Tony Cheap and nasty: phenol. Try Benzaldehyde for more human friendly substance. It's not very good at a lower temperature. There are other bee repellents but at some concentrations they actually are attractants. Bees olfactory sensitivity gets down to the pico-gram level. That's a good nose! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 28644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2001 21:07:56 GMT References: <3A9AF9EA@MailAndNews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: busy bee company? Message-ID: <20010226160756.01307.00000903@nso-cd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28644 In article <3A9AF9EA@MailAndNews.com>, charlie5266 writes: > >looks like the only person i can find to get rid of my bees is the busy bee >company down here in mississippi. Call your local county agriculture agent for recommendations, they normally have a list. Article 28645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:08:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28645 B <> wrote in message news:3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au... > Is there an essential oil or similar that will repel bees without harming > them? try mint and/or bitter almond oil...the former in the synthetic form of menthol has been known to drive bees out of the hive when used as a tracheal mite treatment in ambient temperatures >80*F...the latter is a natural version of the synthetic benzaldehyde used to drive bees out of honey supers in temps <70*F...maybe a blend would work for intermediate range...good luck and let us know how it works down under! Article 28646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!193.190.198.17!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!195.206.66.162.MISMATCH!Amsterdam.Infonet!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "Yiannis Yiatilis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new to beekeeping. Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:51:08 +0200 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 12 Message-ID: <97ejbv$4hn$1@usenet.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe530-b174.otenet.gr X-Trace: usenet.otenet.gr 983224511 4663 212.205.219.174 (26 Feb 2001 21:55:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28646 I am interested to start keeping bees as an amateur so any info would be valuable. I am building a new house abt 35 km outside Athens Greece in a semi-agricultural enviroment in the foothills of a mountain. I have enough space to put beehives and from what I read, the position is good for the bees.Is it a good season to start now ? how many beehives should I get to start with? I was thinking of buying 2-3 beehives to start. Any suggestions about a good book for beginers? Thanks in advance, Yiannis Article 28647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Nick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:03:10 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <97ejvi$m74$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <3a9a0b5e$1_4@news01.one.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-14-28.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28647 In the UK we can use Benzaldehyde. (synthetic oil of almonds) or even butyric anhydride ("bee-go") but read-up on their use first if you can get them. Nick Article 28648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Standards for Organic Honey Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:59:17 -0600 Lines: 114 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbhrtoDpxPWyoqPMwedUCht/voXG07VI1aQB3ROgwaHGIHJUo4/JMtj X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2001 23:00:27 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28648 Update on Standards for Organic Honey --------- From: "deelusbybeekeeper" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:15:30 -0800 To: Subject: Standards for Organic Honey Hi to all on Biological Beekeeping Reference Dec 21, 2000, 1:48 PM Message #36 titled "Standards". The following parts are now re-referenced: As much of the upcoming meetings on the subjects covered will pertain to quality control and honey standards with a federal register still to be sent out for the beekeeping industry for comments as to Organic Honey, we will need to keep on top of issues here in the US. Right now we have a new discussion list up and running and are setting parameters on what is biological beekeeping. We will probably have to go further and set parameters as to organic honey and what it involves also. I do not believe that beekeepers and associations not actually doing the work should be setting standards for us now into it to follow later. We should be the ones doing that. Will Keep you all posted. CURRENT UPDATED REPLY: The National Organic Program on proposed standards for honey is going forward again. However, there is urgency to this post as a meeting has been set for March 6 & 7 -- for when public hearing will be held on the program during a meeting of the Natioal Organics Standards Board (NOSB). Any interested party can speak, and some of you may want to, so I figured I make this post to let you all know what is happening. The only ketch is on anything said you need to have 20 copies made in print, to hand out to the board members present after you are done talking. Buddy Ashurst, president of the National Honey Packers and Dealers Association, will be representing the honey industry there formally. Now before hand I want you all to know that many beekeepers and honey packers are saying -- honey cannot be organic! You cannot control where the bees fly! Yet a decision on our future as an industry is pending. We know there exists a small but dedicated segment of U.S. beekeepers (and elsewhere) either actively certified organic or considering trying to get there with their beekeeping operations. Many of you are talking here in this group for example. If a decision is made with the NOSB that honey cannot be organic, after August 2002, no honey can be labeled as such in the U.S., regardless of source. Consequently, we all need to be aware of what is happening, and I certainly will try to keep everyone posted. Further I certainly don't want the standards to be set and decided, by someone else, with no input from beekeepers participating here. The meeting will be held at the Embassy Suites Hotel, 7762 Beach Boulevard, Buena Park, CA, Phone: (714) 739-5600. For reference/agenda: use NOSB 0301.doc I will try to keep you all posted on what takes place. For those of you that might want to attend and talk, special rates are available at the hotel. Also the following Tentative Agenda is posted for your continued following: April 2001 --The Livestock Committee's proposed standards for beekeeping will be ready for comment (probably public). I will definitely keep you posted as the Livestock Committee has jurisdiction over us on the NOSB. June 2001 Livestock proposes this draft to NOSB, who reviews and seeks recommendation then. Fall 2001 Livestock Committee proposed final rule for public comment. Feb 2002 All organic certifying agencies must be certified by the USDA, whether private or state agencies. Also international agencies must also be certified. (There is a 3-step process for international agencies). June 2002 National Organic Program final rules in place unless those saying it cannot be done win! August 2002 No food product can be labeled "Organic" in the US without bearing the official USDA -- NOP seal. So to end, since the Livestock Committee has jurisdiction over the beekeeping industry and they are almost finished with their first draft of the beekeeping standard, which they have now started writing for us, we need to participate (which I will be doing in hot correspondence over coming months besides keeping everyone posted) at these meetings or give input in lieu thereof. Especially, since so many others, in our own industry, seem to think it cannot be done, as honey cannot be organic, because of so many various treatments for so long. I and others must keep the door open so others can follow down the path to clean honey. Our future is not forever treatments, that is why we are on this list discussing. Regards to all Dee A. Lusby Tucson, Arizona USA Article 28649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pierco frames Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:51:41 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <97djh0$crj90$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net> <3a99e384$0$26055@echo-01.iinet.net.au> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983191904 13487392 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28649 I use black pierco in most cases except for the supers I use white. Normally I build wooden frames and place the pierco sheets in them for two reasons. One they are stronger at least with all the glue I use : ) Two they fit in my slinger a lot better.. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Alan Norris" wrote in message news:3a99e384$0$26055@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > I use Pierco frames and they are wonderful. Just solid blocks of honey comb, > straight with no holes. Haven't tried them in the brood nest yet. > I just put them in the hive along with some wooden frames with beeswax > foundation, the bees drew these out first and then started on the plastic. > Alan > > > sanger@dellepro.com wrote in message <3a971f88_3@news1.prserv.net>... > >HI ALL > > I WOULD LIKE OPINIONS OF PIERCO FRAMES AND FOUNDATION. I M STARTING MY > >SECOND YEAR OF BEE KEEPING > > THANKS ,PHIL > > > > > > Article 28650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:15:22 +0100 Organization: Posted Courtesy of Tele Danmark or one of its European Subsidiaries Lines: 25 Message-ID: <97drh4$mlv$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <968q1s$kb0fm$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <20010225232735.15335.00000012@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip41.mrgnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 983200100 23231 195.215.97.41 X-Complaints-To: the appropriate department of the poster's provider X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28650 > Same problem here and don't what cause it. Sorry I'm newbie here. most reason for this is starvation. Are you sure you have left enough behind for the bees. -- Kind regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1987 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software 18-01-2001 now with multiselction and coloring. free of charge up to 5 hives. soon up to 10 hives. will not expire. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 28651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: charlie5266 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: busy bee company? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:10:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A9AF9EA@MailAndNews.com> X-InterChange-Posted-By: charlie5266@MailAndNews.com Sender: charlie5266 X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28651 looks like the only person i can find to get rid of my bees is the busy bee company down here in mississippi. anyone here used them or know much about them? charlie Article 28652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <97ejbv$4hn$1@usenet.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: new to beekeeping. Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:23:13 -0800 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-186.reachone.com Message-ID: <3a9b0002@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 26 Feb 2001 17:16:50 -0800, tc1-186.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.uswest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-186.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28652 I'm a 3rd year hobbyist with 2 hives. I recommend Diana Sammataro & Alphonse Avitabile's The Beekeeper's Handbook as excellent reading. Yiannis Yiatilis wrote in message <97ejbv$4hn$1@usenet.otenet.gr>... >Any suggestions about a good book for beginers? > Thanks in advance, > Yiannis > > Article 28653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How much nectar?? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:24:47 -0800 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-186.reachone.com Message-ID: <3a9b0060@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 26 Feb 2001 17:18:24 -0800, tc1-186.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news-out.uswest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-186.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28653 36-50 milliliters per load (50 is 1 eyedropper drop). from Sammataro & Avitabile's The Beekeeper's Handbook. Barry Metz wrote in message ... >Hi >Can anyone tell me how much nectar a bee can carry? >If you do know, where did you get the information from? >Thanks > >-- >Barry Metz > > Article 28654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!do.de.uu.net!ams.uu.net!news.mailgate.org!mx1.thebiz.net!not-for-mail From: dede@ulster.net (Dederick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weight of drawn comb Date: 27 Feb 2001 03:59:16 +0100 Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3A9B188E.4B17B7B2@ulster.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx1.thebiz.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.mailgate.org 983242756 14612 216.238.0.20 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:01:34 -0500) X-Complaints-To: mx1.thebiz.net@abuse.net abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2001 02:59:16 GMT Mail-From: dede@ulster.net from mx1.thebiz.net [216.238.0.20] X-URL: http://www.Mailgate.ORG Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28654 As a novice beekeeper I am concerned about my hives remaining food stores. I have rigged a device to weigh my hive and I know the weight of my 2 deeps, covers, Varroa screen, etc. What I need to know is the weight added when 20 Pierco deeps are drawn out in comb. Can anyone help? Thanks. WFD -- Posted from mx1.thebiz.net [216.238.0.20] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Article 28655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring feeding Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:10:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3a9a8d6f@nubby2.> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 35 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28655 I work out when first blosoms are likely, then back track 6 weeks. feeding at that time will give an increase in bee populations when you need them. Before that date and you might have to feed to prevent starvation from all the extra bees. 'Spring Feeding' is really a no-no, it's really spring stimulation you need, a little and often is the rule, otherwise you'll clog the brood nest with stores causing early swarming. For more info you could see out web site, http://www.beeworks.com/Feeding.htm Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Jeff Crozier" wrote in message news:3a9a8d6f@nubby2.... > Hi all > > Need some advice please. I live in south eastern British Columbia in > Canada. When should I start spring feeding. I just checked my two hives > and they wintered strong. temperatures are ranging from -16C at night to 5C. > during the day. > > Any advice would be greatly received > > thanks > > Article 28656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2001 03:08:04 GMT References: <20010226140320.22808.00000011@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Message-ID: <20010226220804.00414.00000084@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28656 I think that Tim hit the nail on the head. A few years ago here in New England we had a very mild December till around the middle of it. The temp took a very sharp drop and stayed down till around the end of February. The result was that the bees were in a loose cluster at the beginning of December and then went into a very tight cluster. Being in a tight cluster seperated them from their honey stores. Because the temperature never broke unitl the end of February we had a lot of beekeepers loose a lot of hives through starvation. Could this be what happened in your area? Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Article 28657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A9B280D.231DCE1E@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Controlling tracheal mites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:07:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 983246853 64.244.8.120 (Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:07:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:07:33 EST Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28657 What is the best way to control tracheal mites? I am going to be starting beekeeping this spring and want to know what I will need to do to treat my new bees. I have been doing a lot of reading, but I have not been able to get a good handle on exactly what I need to do. The two tracheal mite control agents that I have read about are grease patties and Menthol. What I haven't been able to determine with any certainty is how to use them, or when to use them. I read a publication on the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium (MAAREC) website that said that grease patties should be used in the early spring and again in the fall. They recommended using Menthol in the fall and said that "spring or summer treatments are of little value". They also said "Do not use Menthol during surplus honey periods". However, I recently attended a beekeepers association meeting and heard varying and sometimes conflicting opinions. Most of the beekeepers I talked to mix the Menthol with the grease patties and keep them on all season. One beekeeper I talked to uses mineral oil. He puts a line of it on top of each frame with a squeeze bottle. Is there any consensus as to what works best? Thanks, Chris Drazba Article 28658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames all bridged together. Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:29:13 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <97fcr8$hd3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4d.78 X-Server-Date: 27 Feb 2001 05:10:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28658 Hello All. This is my first spring with bees. They seem to have made it through our short Georgia winter and they are collecting pollen on warm days. My questions are: ! In the super I left them for winter supplies the frames are badly bridged together. What is the best way to separate them without drowning the hive in honey? 2 When I tried to lift the super off the brood chamber some of the brood chamber frames started to lift as well. I stopped lifting at that point. What is the best way to separate the super from the brood chamber? 3 When I have these problems cleaned up should I add a second deep super to act as a second brood chamber? If yes when? 4 Does painting inside the telescoping cover make it easier to get it off, they had it glued down tight? Thank you David Article 28659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp6.56k.glacierview.NET!not-for-mail From: "BearLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Last years queens.... Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:12:58 -0800 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <97fd38$nnqjt$1@ID-66302.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp6.56k.glacierview.net (4.23.67.199) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983250857 24898173 4.23.67.199 (16 [66302]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28659 Hello... I have 5 hives and last year re-queened all 5 with Buckfast Queens from B Weavers. Here are the results. Hive #: 1. Didnt produce well, below average, weak winter cluster, gentle 2. Average production, wintered ok, fairly gentle 3. Very good production, wintered very well, MEAN AS HELL 4. Above average production, wintered good, slightly agressive 5. average production, wintered well, gentle, swarmed first month...swarm attacked me..received 50 stings. so what should i do? I guess re-queen hives 1 and 3...leave the others alone?...spray hive 3 with raid? any suggestions on best breed for wet northern climate that may be more consistant.. well all in all i did ok....5 hive 600# of surplus honey... joe.........ps: if it matters....early April shipment Article 28660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Last years queens.... Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:48:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3A9BB036.DAA119A0@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <97fd38$nnqjt$1@ID-66302.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28660 Hi Joe, There has been alot of discussion about queens and "the best strain". Well, I think there are almost to many variables to mention when analysing why a hive acted the way it did. However, when I started out I too was curious as to the best bee to have. I tried imported italian, local Italian, Buckfast (from a registered Buckfast breeder) local and imported Carniolan. For my area I found that the Carnies did the best for me. Now that doesn't mean that every hive was a joy to work :) But they all wintered well and produced a good supply of honey. Some I had to battle to prevent swarming. And I lost some of the battles. But I found the majority of hives that requeened themselves where still manageable. I think the best thing you can do is look for local breeders who are concerned about gentleness, hygiene and production. They will know the strain they are raising and will answer alot of your questions. Besides, if they are doing well for them and they are local, then you should have the same results. This doesn't mean I won't switch from Carnies, I talk to beekeepers who live in my province and live in the same climate. If they are having good success with a certain strain from a different breeder I'll try that to. Good luck. Kent Stienburg Ontario Canada Article 28661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A9BCE61.CDCF432D@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Last years queens.... References: <97fd38$nnqjt$1@ID-66302.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:57:21 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 983289319 147.25.198.43 (Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:55:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:55:19 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28661 BearLc wrote: > ...spray hive 3 with raid? Are you kidding? (obviously, I can't tell from your "written" word)... Assuming you want to kill a hive off quickly (verses, struggling with requeening a hot hive): If you want to reuse the equipment (frames, hive bodies, etc.), I'd *highly* recommend that you use one of the plastic 'pump up' garden sprayer bottles (2 or 3 gallon variety) with a water and dishwashing solution (NOT raid!!!). You will need to do this either very, very early morning or later at night, once all the field foragers have returned. A solution of water/dishwashing soap (perhaps a 70/30 mixture, or there abouts), will kill the bees very quickly and won't leave a deadly chemical residue. Article 28662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames all bridged together. Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:45:57 -0500 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <97gi3r$m28n7$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <97fcr8$hd3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983288764 23143143 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28662 First NOTE this is only MY suggestion and there are thousands of ways to skin a cat so. What I do to separate super\broad boxes are to take piano wire or other strong flexible wire and tie each end to two round dowels "One for each end of the wire." I pull the wire between the two supers and the comb is cut! This makes it easier for ME to break them apart. I find the more you work your hives a lot this doesn't happen. Normally I break mine apart in fall to medicate pulling them apart thereafter to remove medication so they don't have a change to build up after that. The honey you spill will be eaten up by the bees. Once again working your hive regularly you should have too many things get all glued up. -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "David" wrote in message news:97fcr8$hd3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > Hello All. > This is my first spring with bees. They seem to have made it through our > short Georgia winter and they are collecting pollen on warm days. > > My questions are: > ! In the super I left them for winter supplies the frames are badly bridged > together. What is the best way to separate them without drowning the hive in > honey? > > 2 When I tried to lift the super off the brood chamber some of the brood > chamber frames started to lift as well. I stopped lifting at that point. > What is the best way to separate the super from the brood chamber? > > 3 When I have these problems cleaned up should I add a second deep super to > act as a second brood chamber? If yes when? > > 4 Does painting inside the telescoping cover make it easier to get it off, > they had it glued down tight? > > Thank you > David > > Article 28663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.102!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Controlling tracheal mites Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:52:40 -0500 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <97gige$oof2q$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <3A9B280D.231DCE1E@mail.tqci.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.102 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983289167 25967706 63.100.169.102 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28663 Grease patties work nicely and you can leave them on all year and the price is right. This way you don't have to worry too much about all the what ifs. If you have a bad case of Tracheal mites you may need to use chemicals "Mite-A-Thol" or other medication "Apicure" on them to drive them out. When using these chemicals do NOT use when your honey supers are on! -- BeeFarmer BeeFarmer@HomeStead.Com http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Christopher Drazba" wrote in message news:3A9B280D.231DCE1E@mail.tqci.net... > What is the best way to control tracheal mites? I am going to be > starting beekeeping this spring and want to know what I will need to do > to treat my new bees. I have been doing a lot of reading, but I have > not been able to get a good handle on exactly what I need to do. The two > tracheal mite control agents that I have read about are grease patties > and Menthol. What I haven't been able to determine with any certainty is > how to use them, or when to use them. I read a publication on the > Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium (MAAREC) > website that said that grease patties should be used in the early spring > and again in the fall. They recommended using Menthol in the fall and > said that "spring or summer treatments are of little value". They also > said "Do not use Menthol during surplus honey periods". However, I > recently attended a beekeepers association meeting and heard varying and > sometimes conflicting opinions. Most of the beekeepers I talked to mix > the Menthol with the grease patties and keep them on all season. One > beekeeper I talked to uses mineral oil. He puts a line of it on top of > each frame with a squeeze bottle. Is there any consensus as to what > works best? > > Thanks, > Chris Drazba Article 28664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "BeArLc" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Last years queens.... Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:03:36 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <97fd38$nnqjt$1@ID-66302.news.dfncis.de> <3A9BCE61.CDCF432D@raytheon.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28664 LOL... No i was kidding....but here is what i was told once....move the hive in middle of the day while the foragers are out....re-queen the hive with less field bees and more nurse bees...what do you think? Article 28665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: site indexed. Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:10:19 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.87 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.87 Message-ID: <3a9bd16e_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 27 Feb 2001 11:10:22 -0500, 64.208.65.87 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.87 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28665 Greetings! Our web site is now indexed with in-context results display. The search results delivered are always fast and accurate. Just type a key in the search engine. http://www.mainebee.com Regards, Herb/Norma -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Betty's Driftwood Santa Site http://pages.ivillage.com/santasite/index.html Article 28666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!edtntnt9-port-139.dial.telus.NET!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames all bridged together. Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:33:53 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <97goaq$oacq4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <97fcr8$hd3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <97gi3r$m28n7$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt9-port-139.dial.telus.net (161.184.200.139) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983295131 25506628 161.184.200.139 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28666 > > 2 When I tried to lift the super off the brood chamber some of the brood > > chamber frames started to lift as well. I stopped lifting at that point. > > What is the best way to separate the super from the brood chamber? Simply rotate the super a little around the central vertical axis of the hive without lifting much. That will break the bond between the frames and allow lifting the box off. allen Article 28667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2001 17:38:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: February Blossoms and Pollinators Message-ID: <20010227123832.02839.00000239@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28667 There's a new gallery of South Carolina February bloom at: http://pollinator.com/gallery/February/february_flowers.htm This includes high quality photos of wildflowers, fruits and ornamentals, observed or known pollinators and other info Enjoy! Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 28668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news2-hme0!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3a9a8d6f@nubby2.> Subject: Re: Spring feeding Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:15:12 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.180.172 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news2-hme0 983315863 212.137.180.172 (Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:17:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:17:43 GMT Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28668 "Jeff Crozier" wrote in message news:3a9a8d6f@nubby2.... > Hi all > > Need some advice please. I live in south eastern British Columbia in > Canada. When should I start spring feeding ---------------------------- Best done in the Autumn! Article 28669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Feb 2001 02:03:57 GMT References: <20010226220804.00414.00000084@ng-fk1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: what happend to lost colony Message-ID: <20010227210357.12899.00000310@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28669 >A few years ago here in New England we had a very mild December till around >the middle of it. The temp took a very sharp drop and stayed down till around >the end of February. > >The result was that the bees were in a loose cluster at the beginning of >December and then went into a very tight cluster. Being in a tight cluster >seperated them from their honey stores. Because the temperature never broke >unitl the end of February we had a lot of beekeepers loose a lot of hives >through starvation. > >Could this be what happened in your area? > >Regards, >Ralph Harrison >Western CT Beekeepers Association > > > Yep, Sound more like it what happen here. Tim Article 28670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Feb 2001 03:16:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Why Nuc.? Message-ID: <20010227221654.12899.00000323@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28670 If you got to use 4 frame with caps brood in a small box of nuc. Why nuc.? Wouldn't it be a waste of time if we be better off just use Broods chamber box? Also, Why buying new queen? What is wrong with Split it to another Broods chamber box and let the bees raise their own new queen? ( Talk about earlies Spring) I'm just trying to get the fact because the more I read and heard seem like everything is over kill such as more work and it just about doing the samething if know what I mean. Tim Article 28671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames all bridged together. Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:17:12 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: <97i0l9$alv$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> References: <97fcr8$hd3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> <97gi3r$m28n7$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <97goaq$oacq4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.1a.05 X-Server-Date: 28 Feb 2001 05:00:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28671 Thank you. That is about what I thought but it always pays to ask if you are not sure. Allen Dick wrote in message news:97goaq$oacq4$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > > 2 When I tried to lift the super off the brood chamber some of the > brood > > > chamber frames started to lift as well. I stopped lifting at that point. > > > What is the best way to separate the super from the brood chamber? > > Simply rotate the super a little around the central vertical axis of the > hive without lifting much. That will break the bond between the frames and > allow lifting the box off. > > allen > > Article 28672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp1.njy.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news.stealth.net!24.30.200.2.MISMATCH!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010227221654.12899.00000323@ng-bd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Why Nuc.? Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:59:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.137.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 983372393 66.31.137.46 (Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:59:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:59:53 EST Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28672 "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20010227221654.12899.00000323@ng-bd1.aol.com... > If you got to use 4 frame with caps brood in a small box of nuc. Why nuc.? > Wouldn't it be a waste of time if we be better off just use Broods chamber box? Sure, you could just as well use a full size box to start the colony from 4 frames - just be sure to reduce the entrance size to make it easier for them to protect. If you're questioning whether to buy a nuc or a package, the main difference (in my limited experience) is if you need to start the package on foundation only. Usually a nuc you get with drawn comb, and they'll get off to a faster start than a package on foundation. > Also, Why buying new queen? What is wrong with Split it to another Broods > chamber box and let the bees raise their own new queen? ( Talk about earlies > Spring) The difference is the 5-6 weeks it will take to raise a new queen and get her mated. Plus, the risk that the weather will be bad around mating time, or your drone supply isn't very good, and she won't get mated, or won't get mated well. By the time you figure out what's wrong, you've lost 2 months. And all your brood to raise another queen. > I'm just trying to get the fact because the more I read and heard seem like > everything is over kill such as more work and it just about doing the samething > if know what I mean. It's a matter of time - if you don't mind waiting and taking your chances, let them raise their own queen. But in that case, more than any other colony start, your main goal will need to be getting them strong enough to get through the _next_ winter. -Steve Article 28673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A9D157B.30109F81@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why Nuc.? References: <20010227221654.12899.00000323@ng-bd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:13:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.27.250 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 983373200 64.229.27.250 (Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:13:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:13:20 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28673 Hi Tim, Myself, i swear by nucs. Especialy if you are making nucs in one yard and have to move them to antoher yard. Pop in 2 frames of brood, one frame of honey and one blank, and off to the new yard. Add a new queen (beacuse of the the low population, the queen is almost always accepted.) a day later and in 2-3 weeks they have filled the nuce and ready for a hive body. I like them because 1. less area for the small population of bees to cover, therefore faster brood production 2. ease of moving around 3. easier to foind the queen on 4 frames than on 9 or 10 4. in these parts, less space to keep warm, especialy in may/june,were inghts can on ocation get close to freezing Allen Banks Hooney Road Apiaries Blue Taz37 wrote: > If you got to use 4 frame with caps brood in a small box of nuc. Why nuc.? > Wouldn't it be a waste of time if we be better off just use Broods chamber box? > > Also, Why buying new queen? What is wrong with Split it to another Broods > chamber box and let the bees raise their own new queen? ( Talk about earlies > Spring) > > I'm just trying to get the fact because the more I read and heard seem like > everything is over kill such as more work and it just about doing the samething > if know what I mean. > > Tim Article 28675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:16:48 GMT References: <3A9B188E.4B17B7B2@ulster.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Weight of drawn comb Message-ID: <20010228061648.24640.00000244@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28675 >concerned about my hives remaining food >stores. I have rigged a device to weight is a chancy way to check for stores. A large hive full of last years pollen will be heavy also but with little honey. use your eyes, check your hives Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 28676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where did the bees go.. Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:41:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28676 I have two hives. Both have 2 brood boxes. Both started the winter with the top box full of capped honey. Hive #1 has moved up to the top box and is doing well. It has tons of bees. The bees in hive #2 never moved up to the top box. I opened the hive to see what was going on and there are very few bees in the bottom box and very little honey in the bottom box. I moved 4 full frames from the top box to the bottom box. I don't know if I'm too late or not. What do you think happened to the bees in hive #2? BTW, I'm in South Carolina... Article 28677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!usenet01.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mobile extracting equipment request Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:54:51 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3A9D3B6A.FD32A227@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28677 Received this email - can anyone help this guy ?? - John Edwards, Tucson ___________________________________________________________ Hello: I work with Manitoba Agriculture and Food in Dauphin, Manitoba, Canada. I work as a farm management agrologist and in this capacity I develop business plans for producers. I had a producer interested in making or purchasing mobile honey extraction equipment. I spoke with our "bee specialist" and he mentioned that this equipment is already available in the USA. Where could I get information or who could I contact that would have access to this information. Thank You for your assistance in this matter. Sincerely Brian Anderson Farm Management Specialist Manitoba Agriculture and Food 27-2nd Ave S.W. phone (204) 622-2011 Dauphin,Manitoba fax (204) 638-2854 R7N 3E5 E-mail brianderso@agr.gov.mb.ca Article 28678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!sn-uk-post-01!supernews.com!xo.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spain Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:15:40 +0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@xo.supernews.co.uk Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28678 I am on holiday in Torrevejeka in Spain (1 hour drive south of Alicante). Wondered if there are any big honey producers/centres worth a visit? Article 28679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone3.rdc-detw.rr.com!news3.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon.mn.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Hadden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.beer.home-brewing,alt.hobbies.beekeeping,rec.food.historic,rec.org.sca Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.crafts.meadmaking Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3rjn6.22159$_d5.1833359@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:34:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.163.160.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.mn.mediaone.net 983417663 24.163.160.238 (Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:34:23 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:34:23 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28679 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:252 rec.food.historic:24421 rec.org.sca:314910 There is a vote on this group. The Call For Votes (CFV) can most easily be found in news.announce.newgroups. It has also been posted to news.groups, rec.crafts.winemaking and rec.crafts.brewing. You can also obtain a copy from the votetaker at . The CFV contains specific information about how to vote. Christopher Hadden Proponent - rec.crafts.meadmaking chadden@contecrayon.com http://mead.contecrayon.com/resources/usenet.html Article 28680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.142!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new to beekeeping. Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 00:03:56 -0600 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <97ejbv$4hn$1@usenet.otenet.gr> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 983426636 26946057 216.167.138.142 (16 [35320]) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:28680 >I am building a new house abt 35 km outside Athens Greece I was in Athens once about a week waiting on a visa to Somalia, and I had a good look around, hired a taxi for a few days and went everywhere. I have to say the country around Athens is rather like the mountainous area just south of Sweetwater, Texas. (strange but true, the similarity not the country) In Athens, I ate a lot of yoghurt sold in ample earthenware bowls with large sweet nectarines and a lot of 'Thyme' honey, sold in tins. The honey was quite good, the yogurt and nectarines were better, but the beer and barbecue were excellent. I even liked that wine with the turpentine. All in all a great place to be and keep bees. I would suggest using Br. Adam's Buckfast bees; he used Mediterranean bees in his long breeding program, 'said they were "truculent," but not to worry, you'll be wearing that suit. >Is it a good season to start now ? Springtime is not far off. >I was thinking of buying 2-3 beehives to start. A good choice. >Any suggestions about a good book for beginers? Isn't Greece in the EU now? I bet the EU has a publication about beekeeping; you'll probably find you've already violated a regulation or two. Beware of buying beekeeping books written by someone from a different part of the world than you. Better to seek out an experienced beekeeper in your area. There used to be a 'Greek' posted here sometimes: "Fr-Athanasios" He didn't seem to have a 'Greek' address, like yourself (your news server) but said he was Greek. You might write him. Good luck. C.K.