Article 33991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Signs of life Date: 3 Feb 2003 10:29:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0302031029.bec9a8f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1044296982 15880 127.0.0.1 (3 Feb 2003 18:29:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Feb 2003 18:29:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33991 Today 3 Feb noontime, The bees sited in full sun are making cleansing flights. The temperature is near 47 degrees following a few weeks of bitter cold weather. Southeastern CT USA. It is time to finish up painting and repairing and think about feeding. Article 33993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Subject: FDA Seizes Adulterated Honey in Texas X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3E428FA4.8310D794@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dew of the Plains Apiaries X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:39:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!news.compaq.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33993 This showed up on rec.crafts.meadmaking.... Billy Rock, KS FDA Seizes Adulterated Honey in Texas Associated Press WASHINGTON, Feb 05, 2003 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Adulterated imported honey was seized Wednesday from a Texas company after the Food and Drug Administration confirmed the presence of an unapproved food additive. U.S. marshals seized 266 drums of honey, each containing 639 pounds of bulk honey, and five totes, each containing a net weight of 3,000 pounds, from Hoyts Honey Farm in Baytown, Texas. The additive, chloramphenicol, is prohibited by the FDA in food because of concerns about the potential for serious blood disorders in humans. Cloramphenicol is an antibiotic used to control disease in shrimp, crawfish and bees. The seizure is the third one against similarly contaminated honey in six months, the FDA said. Article 33994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3E428FA4.8310D794@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FDA Seizes Adulterated Honey in Texas Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <2wV0a.13913$%U2.965341@twister.austin.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:26:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.245.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1044653182 24.175.245.217 (Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:26:22 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:26:22 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33994 Yea that honey has been sitting there since June. It was quarantined after they found out that the exporter was circumventing Chinese honey through Malaysia. Hoyt's is about 45 minutes from me. Robert "Billy" wrote in message news:3E428FA4.8310D794@NOSPAM.yahoo.com... > This showed up on rec.crafts.meadmaking.... > > Billy > Rock, KS > > > > FDA Seizes Adulterated Honey in Texas > Associated Press > > WASHINGTON, Feb 05, 2003 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Adulterated > imported honey was seized Wednesday from a Texas company after the > Food and Drug Administration confirmed the presence of an unapproved > food additive. > > U.S. marshals seized 266 drums of honey, each containing 639 pounds > of > bulk honey, and five totes, each containing a net weight of 3,000 > pounds, from Hoyts Honey Farm in Baytown, Texas. > The additive, chloramphenicol, is prohibited by the FDA in food > because of concerns about the potential for serious blood disorders > in > humans. Cloramphenicol is an antibiotic used to control disease in > shrimp, crawfish and bees. > > The seizure is the third one against similarly contaminated honey in > six months, the FDA said. Article 33995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bidata palm. Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:13:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3e468c36$0$71687$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.75 X-Trace: 1044810806 dread11.news.tele.dk 71687 195.249.242.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33995 Hello fellow beekeepers! I am sorry that the new bidata left the palm users behind when debugging the software. I fixed an error and you can get an update zipfile 1.6MB Warning: It only works with the new bidata installed. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_palmupdate.zip -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 33996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bill.berggren@padobe.com (William L. Berggren) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extermination of city bees in a maple tree. Date: 10 Feb 2003 10:15:16 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <290c5e5f.0302101015.3e7bb8a6@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.196.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1044900916 20502 127.0.0.1 (10 Feb 2003 18:15:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Feb 2003 18:15:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33996 First I must say I am upset I had to try and kill them. But, there were several people complaining about them. What I did was buy a can of hilti spray foam. Then I sprayed a some and sealed the tree entrance. This foam is really tough. I did it at sunset so I wouldn't get stung. About 2 weeks earlier I saw a swarm I thought they left but they were still there. Is it still possible they are alive in the tree? Do City bees from the San Fernando Valley make good honey? It never snows here and I would think with the 100s of different flowering bushes that people plant they may make a strange tasting honey. Article 33998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ricia and Michael Banther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <290c5e5f.0302101015.3e7bb8a6@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Extermination of city bees in a maple tree. Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:49:43 -0000 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.75.75 Message-ID: <3e4aa551@212.67.96.135> X-Trace: 12 Feb 2003 19:49:37 GMT, 213.78.75.75 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!212.67.96.135!213.78.75.75 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33998 You might contact the county extension office if your county has one. They usually have someone who can deal with problem bees. They may well be still alive. How do you know that they had only one entrance? Regards, Michael "William L. Berggren" wrote in message news:290c5e5f.0302101015.3e7bb8a6@posting.google.com... > First I must say I am upset I had to try and kill them. But, there > were several people complaining about them. What I did was buy a can > of hilti spray foam. Then I sprayed a some and sealed the tree > entrance. This foam is really tough. I did it at sunset so I > wouldn't get stung. About 2 weeks earlier I saw a swarm I thought > they left but they were still there. > > Is it still possible they are alive in the tree? Do City bees from > the San Fernando Valley make good honey? It never snows here and I > would think with the 100s of different flowering bushes that people > plant they may make a strange tasting honey. Article 33999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zoom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee auction south UK Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:32:46 -0000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.203.115 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1045088900 1238 217.135.203.115 (12 Feb 2003 22:28:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2003 22:28:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!eusc.inter.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33999 Hi all Just to let you know that the Meon Valley Beekeeping Auction will be taking place at the beginning of May in the County of Hampshire, UK. If you want to get your stuff included in the auction, get them listed in the brochure by going to www.mvbka.co.uk and follow the auction links. Thanks... Chris Article 34000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some improvements to the handheld software Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:55:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3e4b87b1$0$188$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.98 X-Trace: 1045137329 dread14.news.tele.dk 188 195.249.242.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34000 Palm software does not need to be registered. the exit button removed means you need to tap the home button to exit the software. the new hive/note screen is a bit improved. OBS extract this to bidate home dir and use the install to handheld to get a fresh copy of the palmsoftware to your handheld. I have tested it on my palm V -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 34001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I forgot the url Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:01:13 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3e4b8905$0$210$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.98 X-Trace: 1045137669 dread14.news.tele.dk 210 195.249.242.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34001 http://apimo.dk/programs/PalmUpdate.zip 155kb -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 34002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1045258283 8699 128.173.176.174 (14 Feb 2003 21:31:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:31:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34002 I am going to make some screened bottom boards and would welcome a web source with plans for such. As I understand it one should design the boards so that the bees do not need to walk on the screen and can get onto the frames quite near the entrance. The boards I have seen use one-eighth inch mesh hardware cloth and cover the entire area of the bottom except for the first couple inches at the entrance. The screens are left open all year, but it seems to me one ought to design a slide-in/out board to go underneath the screen. The sliding board would be something like a thin sheet of luan floor underlayment or maybe masonite. The primary purpose of the board would be to test for varroa. One slides in a clean white board and then smokes the hive from the top. ( I have seen it suggested that one put cigaret butts in the smoker.) A half hour or so after smoking one is to pull the board and look for varroa. This test should be run in our zone 6 climate around the middle of March and again around the middle of August. In each case the apistan should go in if the test is positive. Rather than a completely open bottom in winter, it would seem to me better to insert a sliding board with a few holes in it so that one gets the desired ventilation but not quite so much as in summer. Article 34003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs versus package bees Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1045258629 8699 128.173.176.174 (14 Feb 2003 21:37:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:37:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34003 I have found a guy a half hour drive from me that sells a four frame nuc for $42. this next April. That is no more expensive if as much as the cost of a three pound mail shipped package with queen. It seems to me the nuc approach is superior in all respects to the package start. Am I missing some point here or is my conclusion correct? 442 Article 34004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: advice needed Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:55:15 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34004 Hello all! First of all, much thanks to all those who post on this news group. I always get lots of good advice and tips. I just got into my hive today and found lots and lots of happy bees making lots and lots of honey. I live in northern California where the winter has been wet but mild. Today is a most pleasant 63 degrees and sunny (sorry east coast). For most of the winter I have noticed the critters bringing pollen into the hive. I took off the queen separator in November, leaving the super in place because there wasn't much honey in there and I didn't have the extracting equipment. I checked the upper deep and it is about 70% full of honey! I replaced the queen separator because I felt that they would not need the honey for the rest of our "winter" and because the fruit trees are starting to bloom. The super is now 70% full of honey (as well as the upper deep). I added a second super to give them some leg room. I did not medicate the bees in the fall since I had left the super on. I did not check the lower deep because I did not want to lift a deep full of honey. The hive seemed happy, pest free, and very productive. Okay...now the questions!! Can I assume that the queen will have enough room down below to lay eggs in the spring? There's not much room in the upper deep with all of the honey. The super contained some pollen but there was no queen, brood, or eggs. I had heard that the queen would seldom go through a deep full of honey to lay eggs anyway. Second question....with a super already 3/4 full of honey and a second just added, can I keep those on there until fall - or will my hive be 15ft. tall? The two books that I have read are geared toward cold winters and the need for protecting the hive and assuring that there is adequate food. I don't think that I have that problem (I never added the entrance reducer and have found very few dead bees near the hive). I need advice from those of you who have some experience under their belt. Sorry that this is so long but I wanted you all to know the situation. My bees and queen were just installed in May of 2002. Thank you very much! James Avila keep on buzzin'! Article 34005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 04:03:42 -0500 Organization: Keith B. Forsyth Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.146 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34005 Try the following: http://www.beesource.com/plans/ipmbottom.htm Article 34006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs versus package bees Date: 15 Feb 2003 06:54:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3e4e2a6a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.25.31 X-Original-Trace: 15 Feb 2003 06:54:18 -0500, 141.219.25.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 54 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!DIRECTV!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34006 Jerome R. Long wrote: > I have found a guy a half hour drive from me that sells a four frame nuc for > $42. this next April. That is no more expensive if as much as the cost of a > three pound mail shipped package with queen. It seems to me the nuc approach > is superior in all respects to the package start. Am I missing some point here > or is my conclusion correct? I believe your conclusion is correct. I started my hives from nucs, and they took off and did very well. The only real concern is whether your source of nucs is a good enough beekeeper to make sure that you don't end up with some brood disease like American Foulbrood, but that probably isn't a big problem. I'd tried starting hives from packages three times when I was a kid, and helped my brother try to start from packages once, and every time they built up so slowly that they couldn't make it through the winter. This might be an extreme case, since I live in Michigan. We not only have long, often severe winters and low summer temperatures, but are also far enough away from the package bee suppliers that packages arrive highly stressed, if not dead or lost. Out of nine total packages, one arrived dead, and three never arrived at all, which is a very poor average. And, in each case, by the time it was warm enough to start installing packages, we were already at the end of the package shipping season, and it was impossible to get replacements for dead or lost packages. I personally would recommend nucs even if they cost twice as much as packages. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu > 442 Article 34007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ricia and Michael Banther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3e4e2a6a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> Subject: Wintering Bees (Was: nucs versus package bees) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:27:34 -0000 Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.74.108 Message-ID: <3e4e785c@212.67.96.135> X-Trace: 15 Feb 2003 17:26:52 GMT, 213.78.74.108 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!212.67.96.135!213.78.74.108 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34007 How hard is it to keep bees alive over the winter in Michigan? I've only kept bees in SW England where mild temperatures make it pretty easy. Indeed the biggest winter problem here is too much moisture condensing inside of the hives. Some people actually raise the crown board up on kitchen match sticks to provide extra ventilation. Do you have to add insulation around your hives to keep the bees alive? Are there other tricks? Regards, Michael Banther "Timothy Eisele" wrote in message news:3e4e2a6a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu... > Jerome R. Long wrote: > > I have found a guy a half hour drive from me that sells a four frame nuc for > > $42. this next April. That is no more expensive if as much as the cost of a > > three pound mail shipped package with queen. It seems to me the nuc approach > > is superior in all respects to the package start. Am I missing some point here > > or is my conclusion correct? > > I believe your conclusion is correct. I started my hives from nucs, and > they took off and did very well. The only real concern is whether your > source of nucs is a good enough beekeeper to make sure that you don't > end up with some brood disease like American Foulbrood, but that probably > isn't a big problem. > > I'd tried starting hives from packages three times when I was a kid, and > helped my brother try to start from packages once, and every time they > built up so slowly that they couldn't make it through the winter. This > might be an extreme case, since I live in Michigan. We not only have > long, often severe winters and low summer temperatures, but are also far > enough away from the package bee suppliers that packages arrive highly > stressed, if not dead or lost. Out of nine total packages, one arrived > dead, and three never arrived at all, which is a very poor average. And, > in each case, by the time it was warm enough to start installing packages, > we were already at the end of the package shipping season, and it was > impossible to get replacements for dead or lost packages. > > I personally would recommend nucs even if they cost twice as much as > packages. > > -- > Tim Eisele > tceisele@mtu.edu Article 34008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering Bees (Was: nucs versus package bees) Date: 15 Feb 2003 13:06:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3e4e8190$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3e4e2a6a$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3e4e785c@212.67.96.135> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.26.236 X-Original-Trace: 15 Feb 2003 13:06:08 -0500, 141.219.26.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!DIRECTV!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34008 Ricia and Michael Banther wrote: > How hard is it to keep bees alive over the winter in Michigan? > I've only kept bees in SW England where mild temperatures make it pretty > easy. Indeed the biggest winter problem here is too much moisture > condensing inside of the hives. Some people actually raise the crown board > up on kitchen match sticks to provide extra ventilation. > Do you have to add insulation around your hives to keep the bees alive? Are > there other tricks? The main trick is to make sure they have enough stores (3-4 medium supers full of honey), provide an upper entrance so they get good ventilation and aren't trapped under the snow (which routinely gets to be about 3-5 feet deep where I am), and use a strain of bees that are adapted to colder climates (I've been using New World Carniolans for the last three years). As far as insulation, I put about 2 inches of styrofoam between the inner and outer cover, mainly to keep the inner cover from getting cold enough to drip condensation down on the cluster. The upper entrance is cut through the styrofoam and goes to the hole in the inner cover. Other than that, I don't use insulation because the hive gets buried under snow anyway, which provides really good insulation as it is. So far, my survival rate has been about 80%, which could be better but is tolerable. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 34009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:20:20 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1045333225 159.134.156.193 (Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:20:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:20:25 GMT Organization: Eircom.Net http://www.eircom.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34009 The rouble with smoking as a test for varroa is that a) It is not that efficient b) It is not kind to bees either, a degree of bee kill being reported.. This smoke test was used several years ago, but the modern recomendation is to place Apistan ( or Bayvarol) strips in for 48 hours and then exmine for dropped mites. This is far more sensitive than tobacco smoke, and does not harm the bees Ruary Rudd "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:b2jn7b$8fr$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > One slides in a clean white board and then smokes the hive from the > top. ( I have seen it suggested that one put cigaret butts in the smoker.) > A half hour or so after smoking one is to pull the board and look for varroa. > This test should be run in our zone 6 climate around the middle of March and > again around the middle of August. In each case the apistan should go in if the > test is positive. Rather than a completely open bottom in winter, it would > seem to me better to insert a sliding board with a few holes in it so that one > gets the desired ventilation but not quite so much as in summer. > Article 34010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: utah Date: 15 Feb 2003 16:42:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.118.41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1045356147 25160 127.0.0.1 (16 Feb 2003 00:42:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 2003 00:42:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34010 i have just found out that Utah is called the beehive state. Can anyone tell me why it is called that? Thanks. Article 34011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 26 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Feb 2003 00:53:50 GMT References: <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-cn) Subject: Re: utah Message-ID: <20030215195350.20375.00000415@mb-cn.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34011 In article <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com>, albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) writes: > >i have just found out that Utah is called the beehive state. >Can anyone tell me why it is called that? >Thanks. The Beehive State: Most of the nicknames associated with Utah are related to the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, that first settled in the territory. Deseret, in The Book of Mormon is actually a honeybee. Early Mormon settlers have been described as having carried "swarms of bees" with them. This nickname commemorates the industry of the people of Utah. The beehive was adopted, in 1847, as an official emblem and represents the qualities of industry, perseverance, thrift, stability, and self-reliance, all virtues respected by the region's settlers. The beehive is the centerpiece of the Utah Great Seal and the Utah State Flag. The Deseret State: When the Mormons first came to the territory, they named the area The State of Deseret, a reference to the honeybee in The Book of Mormon. This name was the official name of the colony from 1849 to 1850. The nickname, "The Deseret State," is in reference to Utah's original name. http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/ut_intro.htm Bob Pursley Article 34012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:11:20 -0600 From: "csoderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com> <20030215195350.20375.00000415@mb-cn.aol.com> Subject: Re: utah Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:12:13 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.233.218.25 X-Trace: sv3-BzdG06Zlmk1JhWFx12cqrd6jENCIAAZbpAO5eA7CIB+vwno/ps38FrsbCdb4xTyYUOoER+s0ZQ2ea4o!sV1eWUAtoV9zKIPJGw2aE7IVKLm36pBbILClarHwUpis6jakLbG1f3V+JC5IAAcbdPrblZtHBi7t!FBtSdVYgBRbNjQvQoyKWHppKXV4yYQB6eRMD X-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!DIRECTV!203.109.225.2!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.wideopenwest.com!news.wideopenwest.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34012 Also, the symbol on the highway signs is a skep. "Bob Pursley" wrote in message news:20030215195350.20375.00000415@mb-cn.aol.com... > In article <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com>, > albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) writes: > > > > >i have just found out that Utah is called the beehive state. > >Can anyone tell me why it is called that? > >Thanks. > > The Beehive State: Most of the nicknames associated with Utah are related to > the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, > that first settled in the territory. Deseret, in The Book of Mormon is actually > a honeybee. Early Mormon settlers have been described as having carried "swarms > of bees" with them. This nickname commemorates the industry of the people of > Utah. The beehive was adopted, in 1847, as an official emblem and represents > the qualities of industry, perseverance, thrift, stability, and self-reliance, > all virtues respected by the region's settlers. The beehive is the centerpiece > of the Utah Great Seal and the Utah State Flag. > > The Deseret State: When the Mormons first came to the territory, they named the > area The State of Deseret, a reference to the honeybee in The Book of Mormon. > This name was the official name of the colony from 1849 to 1850. The nickname, > "The Deseret State," is in reference to Utah's original name. > > http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/ut_intro.htm > > Bob Pursley Article 34013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: advice needed Date: 15 Feb 2003 20:51:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 46 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0302152051.33680ae2@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1045371109 11841 127.0.0.1 (16 Feb 2003 04:51:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 2003 04:51:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34013 Hi In the March 2002 is an article about mixing up a hive for swarm control. This is what you need to do. In short take off the honey and give the girls some room to work or some will move on! Ray ABJ "James Avila" wrote in message news:... > Hello all! > > First of all, much thanks to all those who post on this news group. I > always get lots of good advice and tips. > I just got into my hive today and found lots and lots of happy bees > making lots and lots of honey. > I live in northern California where the winter has been wet but mild. > Today is a most pleasant 63 degrees and sunny (sorry east coast). For most > of the winter I have noticed the critters bringing pollen into the hive. > I took off the queen separator in November, leaving the super in place > because there wasn't much honey in there and I didn't have the extracting > equipment. > I checked the upper deep and it is about 70% full of honey! I replaced > the queen separator because I felt that they would not need the honey for > the rest of our "winter" and because the fruit trees are starting to bloom. > The super is now 70% full of honey (as well as the upper deep). I added > a second super to give them some leg room. > I did not medicate the bees in the fall since I had left the super on. I > did not check the lower deep because I did not want to lift a deep full of > honey. The hive seemed happy, pest free, and very productive. > Okay...now the questions!! Can I assume that the queen will have enough > room down below to lay eggs in the spring? There's not much room in the > upper deep with all of the honey. The super contained some pollen but there > was no queen, brood, or eggs. I had heard that the queen would seldom go > through a deep full of honey to lay eggs anyway. > Second question....with a super already 3/4 full of honey and a second > just added, can I keep those on there until fall - or will my hive be 15ft. > tall? > The two books that I have read are geared toward cold winters and the > need for protecting the hive and assuring that there is adequate food. I > don't think that I have that problem (I never added the entrance reducer and > have found very few dead bees near the hive). > I need advice from those of you who have some experience under their > belt. Sorry that this is so long but I wanted you all to know the situation. > My bees and queen were just installed in May of 2002. > > Thank you very much! > James Avila > > keep on buzzin'! Article 34014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "vinel10" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: any help Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:34:41 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.90.92.8 Message-ID: <3e5065ea$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1045456362 63.90.92.8 (16 Feb 2003 22:32:42 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34014 this past summer I found a wild bee tree question is there any way to intice a swarn into a brood box I have the supplies but dont have any bee's I dont want to cut the tree and take a chance on killing the queen I was thinking about cutting a blockout of the side of the tree to find the queen but then I fear of destroying the whole colony i'm sure happy to find this group thank's -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fiona Stroudley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New to beekeeping Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:05:03 -0000 Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.137.46.167 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1045526663 27862 62.137.46.167 (18 Feb 2003 00:04:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 2003 00:04:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34015 We are new to beekeeping, and have just obtained very cheaply some second hand hives - only disadvantage is they are Langstroths, and we're having a bit of a problem finding anyone who can supply us with a nucleus on Langstroth frames. We don't want to take a chance on finding a swarm later in the year, as we don't want to miss out on this season. If anyone is likely to be able to help us at the appropriate time (which we think is late April/ early May, we'd be very happy - We are of course prepared to pay for them. We are based in Hertfordshire, England, and can travel to pick them up if necessary. Many thanks Seth and Fiona Belson Article 34016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Short Course Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.90.115.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr16.news.prodigy.com 1045537238 ST000 166.90.115.183 (Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:00:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:00:38 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@SNE]RWQB_\X]R]BLDLESCVLCUPHQQ]J]Q]KJAVNDQIBLNSQAKKZ@TXZY_KHS^FSKGJLOF_F_N[CXVW[^UDDM^T]HTLIGX\NRRC@O\P^@MD_[S@FH__@WDCUZA^NHD[SJORN]Y_UGKGPJD]WNN[\ESXHWTWIEQYGQLS@[[G\APPF@\@R]SLGRFUAQUFN Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:00:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.115.63.142!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr16.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!c55c5b13!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34016 Memphis Area Beekeepers Association Annual Beekeeping Short Course Call (901) 294-3560 For Information Location: UT Agricultural Extension Center 5565 Shelby Oaks Dr. Memphis, TN Ph. 544-0243 February 22nd 2003 Time: 9:00 A.M. to 2:00 P.M. Registration Begins at 8:30 AM Cost $10.00 Dollars Public invited to attend this educational and informative seminar. The topics to be covered will include beginner, intermediate, and advanced levels of beekeeping. All aspects of beekeeping will be studied from hive management, equipment, disease control, honey harvesting, and packaging. This course will be conducted by volunteers of the local and state beekeeping associations' who have several years of experience. New beekeepers attending their first course will receive educational materials, hands on instruction, lunch, first year's dues to the local association, and a chance to win new hive equipment. The drawings will be at the end of the course and you must be present to win. Door prizes and refreshments will be provided. Seating is limited to the first 50 registrants signed in by 9:00 A.M. Article 34017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New to beekeeping Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:13:43 -0000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.180.142 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1045552436 11115 217.135.180.142 (18 Feb 2003 07:13:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 2003 07:13:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34017 You could try contacting the Bee Farmers' Association. (John Howat john@eclipse01.demon.co.uk). Link to the website (and over 400 others!) on: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm Peter Edwards "Fiona Stroudley" wrote in message news:b2rta7$r6m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > We are new to beekeeping, and have just obtained very cheaply some second > hand hives - only disadvantage is they are Langstroths, and we're having a > bit of a problem finding anyone who can supply us with a nucleus on > Langstroth frames. We don't want to take a chance on finding a swarm later > in the year, as we don't want to miss out on this season. > > If anyone is likely to be able to help us at the appropriate time (which we > think is late April/ early May, we'd be very happy - We are of course > prepared to pay for them. > > We are based in Hertfordshire, England, and can travel to pick them up if > necessary. > > Many thanks > > Seth and Fiona Belson > > Article 34018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: any help Date: 18 Feb 2003 17:30:01 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3e5065ea$1_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.151.20 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34018 On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:34:41 -0500, "vinel10" wrote: >this past summer I found a wild bee tree question is there any way to >intice a swarn into a brood box I have the supplies but dont have any >bee's I dont want to cut the tree and take a chance on killing the >queen I was thinking about cutting a blockout of the side of the tree to >find the queen but then I fear of destroying the whole colony i'm >sure happy to find this group thank's Possible methods: 1. Physically cut open the tree. You might loose the queen but if you can save some eggs they might raise a new one. 2. Drumming. Sometimes pounding on the hive will resonate and make the bees come out. 3. Create an upper entrance at the very to of the hive. Seal all other entrances. Slowly, very slowly fill the hive with water. The bees will move up and out of the hive. No method is guarenteed. and with all you might loose the queen. -Tim Article 34019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Shows Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:57:25 +0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3va55vsd0aims9icnq964ve7rjb4vrfvr0@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.93.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1045604567 20850 217.135.93.244 (18 Feb 2003 21:42:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Feb 2003 21:42:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34019 Some discussion going on in the UK about how to re-vamp our honey shows. Are there any people from other countries that might have ideas that could work? Article 34020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ricia and Michael Banther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moth Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:20:55 -0000 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.90.191 Message-ID: <3e52b1b9@212.67.96.135> X-Trace: 18 Feb 2003 22:20:41 GMT, 213.78.90.191 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!212.67.96.135!213.78.90.191 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34020 What does an adult wax moth look like? What colour and how large are they? Two days ago I scorched a brood box and brought it indoors. Since then I've seen two brown moths, not much larger that the tip of my finger. Neither were in the same room as the brood box though one was in an adjacent hallway. Normally I don't see moths in the house this time of year, too cold for that. I wonder if some pupae were hiding in the cracks and have hatched out. I would appreciate any other information on the life cycle of the wax moth as well. Do they have fixed or variable larval and pupating periods? Many thanks, Michael Banther Article 34021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper use of varroa treatments Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:52:23 -0000 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.7.59.139 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.7.59.139 Message-ID: <3e531931@news.greennet.net> X-Trace: 18 Feb 2003 21:42:09 -0800, 81.7.59.139 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp4.savvis.net!nwnews.wa.com!news-chi-2.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.greennet.net!81.7.59.139 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34021 Freddie Cooke wrote in message news:... > I have read a number of postings regarding the use of Varroacides as a knock > down for testing levels of mite infestation. Keepers in the UK we have been > encouraged to use varoacides with great care in order to avoid the > development of resistant mites. Can I make plea that you read and observe > the following : > > Resistant Mites? > Varroa populations will eventually develop resistance to any chemical > varroacide, whether proprietary or alternative. Individual variation in a > mite population may result in small numbers of mites with resistant traits > (e.g., a thicker cuticle that prevents entry of theactive ingredient or a > metabolism that may break down the treatment before it does the mite > damage). These characteristics are genetic and heritable, but often the > mites with these unusual traits are > reproductively weaker and are initially present as only a tiny proportion of > the entire population. > > Are you selecting for resistant mites? > ....this can happen when a populatio of mites is exposed continuously ta a > varroacide leaving only the less susceptible mites to breed.......You can > delay the development of resistance as follows : > > Apply treatments only when needed. > Always use the full recommended dose > Always remove the strips after treatment > Do not attempt to re-use the strips, as these will not release a full dose. > Alternative treatments using unrelated authorised products wherever > possible. > > You can download the full Varroa treatment brochure by visiting the UK > government site at > http://www.csl.gov.uk/prodserv/cons/bee/factsheets/Managing_Varroa.pdf > > Please do your bit to help slow down the development of resistant mites > which could have disasterous consequences for the environment. > > Best wishes, Freddie Cooke. > > Article 34022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: utah Date: 19 Feb 2003 01:57:08 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nts-71.143-167-216.nts-online.net (216.167.143.71) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1045619828 51225984 216.167.143.71 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nts-71.143-167-216.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34022 albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote in news:4169b71c.0302151642.447340fd@posting.google.com: > i have just found out that Utah is called the beehive state. > Can anyone tell me why it is called that? > Thanks. A beekeeper named E.S. Lovesy*, who kept bees in the Salt Lake Valley prior to 1907 said there were over 10,000 colonies of bees there. Apparently it was the "banner" bee and honey county of the state. There is a sad ending to this story. In 1907 smelter fumes killed out this great number of bees. The beekeepers afraid of going to court against the smelters settled 'out of court' instead, and were subsequently paid $60,000 by the smelter interest. However, this did not improve the conditions for further beekeeping, "as ten years later it was said it was dobutful if there were ten colonies of bees to be found within the Valley." It may be the beekkeeping state elsewhere in the state, but no longer around Salt Lake City after 1907. I don't know what present conditions are like. I do know that standards from the current "Clean Air Act" are being "rolled back". http://www.lcv.org/administration/rollbacks/sou.asp *from the ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture copyrighted version of 1954 page 465 C.K. Article 34023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New to beekeeping Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:46:27 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3e537c7f$0$141$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.80 X-Trace: 1045658752 dread14.news.tele.dk 141 195.249.242.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34023 When I years ago switched from Danish 12'' x 10'' to langstoth I easily converted by making an insert into the langstroth box. You can e-mail me and I will submit you a sescibtion with some photos of the utlity. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. beekeping hivenote updated 18-02-2203 "Fiona Stroudley" skrev i en meddelelse news:b2rta7$r6m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > We are new to beekeeping, and have just obtained very cheaply some second > hand hives - only disadvantage is they are Langstroths, and we're having a > bit of a problem finding anyone who can supply us with a nucleus on > Langstroth frames. We don't want to take a chance on finding a swarm later > in the year, as we don't want to miss out on this season. > > If anyone is likely to be able to help us at the appropriate time (which we > think is late April/ early May, we'd be very happy - We are of course > prepared to pay for them. > > We are based in Hertfordshire, England, and can travel to pick them up if > necessary. > > Many thanks > > Seth and Fiona Belson > > Article 34024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1045671764 29439 128.173.176.174 (19 Feb 2003 16:22:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:22:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34024 In article , keithb.forsyth@hwcn.org says... > >Try the following: >http://www.beesource.com/plans/ipmbottom.htm > Excellent! Thank you Keith. Article 34025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1045672136 29439 128.173.176.174 (19 Feb 2003 16:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:28:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34025 In article , rrudd@eircom.net says... > >The rouble with smoking as a test for varroa is that > >a) It is not that efficient On what grounds do you say that? >b) It is not kind to bees either, a degree of bee kill being reported.. > >This smoke test was used several years ago, but the modern recomendation is >to place Apistan ( or Bayvarol) strips in for 48 hours and then exmine for >dropped mites. >This is far more sensitive than tobacco smoke, and does not harm the bees Apistan is darned expensive and also should not be used with supers on. Tobacco smoke costs nothing and can be done any time. The smoke test is almost instantaneous and who says it kills bees? How many bees and how efficient. Can you make your assertions more quantitative? I know that, if there is much varroa, the smoke test will find them and with a bottom screen and slide out board the test can be done several times per season. >Ruary Rudd >"Jerome R. Long" wrote in message >news:b2jn7b$8fr$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu... >> One slides in a clean white board and then smokes the hive from the >> top. ( I have seen it suggested that one put cigaret butts in the smoker.) >> A half hour or so after smoking one is to pull the board and look for >varroa. >> This test should be run in our zone 6 climate around the middle of March >and >> again around the middle of August. In each case the apistan should go in >if the >> test is positive. Rather than a completely open bottom in winter, it would >> seem to me better to insert a sliding board with a few holes in it so that >one >> gets the desired ventilation but not quite so much as in summer. >> > > Article 34026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:24:52 -0500 Organization: Keith B. Forsyth Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3e52b1b9@212.67.96.135> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.155 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34026 You may wish to visit the MAAREC site. http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/Bee_Diseases/Wax_moths.html Article 34027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: advice needed Date: 19 Feb 2003 12:42:51 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 63 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0302191242.404a6e16@posting.google.com> References: <504d7af0.0302152051.33680ae2@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.127.103.174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1045687371 12717 127.0.0.1 (19 Feb 2003 20:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Feb 2003 20:42:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34027 beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) wrote in message news:<504d7af0.0302152051.33680ae2@posting.google.com>... > Hi > In the March 2002 is an article about mixing up a hive for swarm > control. This is what you need to do. In short take off the honey and > give the girls some room to work or some will move on! Ray Personally, I'd be cautious about mixing up a hive for swarm control. The bees generally have arranged their stores and brood areas for efficient brood rearing. By upsetting this (unnessasarily), it can cause havoc among the bees with unpredictable results. (Sometimes they will get themselves "painted into a corner", which then requires some intervention.) One of the most useful checks you can make is to tip the top brood box up away from the lower brood box. (Yes, you'll probably have to take off the honey supers to do this.) Then you can see if they are using the lower box much. You can also see the frame bottoms of the upper box, which is where they'll most likely build swarm cells. If no swarm cells, make sure you add supers ahead of their need, as you've done. Nuc. > > ABJ "James Avila" wrote in message news:... > > Hello all! > > > > First of all, much thanks to all those who post on this news group. I > > always get lots of good advice and tips. > > I just got into my hive today and found lots and lots of happy bees > > making lots and lots of honey. > > I live in northern California where the winter has been wet but mild. > > Today is a most pleasant 63 degrees and sunny (sorry east coast). For most > > of the winter I have noticed the critters bringing pollen into the hive. > > I took off the queen separator in November, leaving the super in place > > because there wasn't much honey in there and I didn't have the extracting > > equipment. > > I checked the upper deep and it is about 70% full of honey! I replaced > > the queen separator because I felt that they would not need the honey for > > the rest of our "winter" and because the fruit trees are starting to bloom. > > The super is now 70% full of honey (as well as the upper deep). I added > > a second super to give them some leg room. > > I did not medicate the bees in the fall since I had left the super on. I > > did not check the lower deep because I did not want to lift a deep full of > > honey. The hive seemed happy, pest free, and very productive. > > Okay...now the questions!! Can I assume that the queen will have enough > > room down below to lay eggs in the spring? There's not much room in the > > upper deep with all of the honey. The super contained some pollen but there > > was no queen, brood, or eggs. I had heard that the queen would seldom go > > through a deep full of honey to lay eggs anyway. > > Second question....with a super already 3/4 full of honey and a second > > just added, can I keep those on there until fall - or will my hive be 15ft. > > tall? > > The two books that I have read are geared toward cold winters and the > > need for protecting the hive and assuring that there is adequate food. I > > don't think that I have that problem (I never added the entrance reducer and > > have found very few dead bees near the hive). > > I need advice from those of you who have some experience under their > > belt. Sorry that this is so long but I wanted you all to know the situation. > > My bees and queen were just installed in May of 2002. > > > > Thank you very much! > > James Avila > > > > keep on buzzin'! Article 34028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@nullcity.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: advice needed Date: 19 Feb 2003 16:49:06 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <504d7af0.0302152051.33680ae2@posting.google.com> <9936fa52.0302191242.404a6e16@posting.google.com> Reply-To: nobody@nullcity.net NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1045691346 9945 166.84.1.3 (19 Feb 2003 21:49:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34028 In article <9936fa52.0302191242.404a6e16@posting.google.com>, Nuc Skep wrote: >beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) wrote in message news:<504d7af0.0302152051.33680ae2@posting.google.com>... > >Personally, I'd be cautious about mixing up a hive for swarm control. >The bees generally have arranged their stores and brood areas for >efficient brood rearing. By upsetting this (unnecessarily), it can >cause havoc among the bees with unpredictable results. (Sometimes >they will get themselves "painted into a corner", which then requires >some intervention.) One of the most useful checks you can make is to >tip the top brood box up away from the lower brood box. (Yes, you'll >probably have to take off the honey supers to do this.) Then you can >see if they are using the lower box much. You can also see the frame >bottoms of the upper box, which is where they'll most likely build >swarm cells. If no swarm cells, make sure you add supers ahead of >their need, as you've done. Queens almost always travel upward in their search for empty cells. Sometimes when pollen and nectar come in and the queen is laying well, the empty cells disappear and then the queen runs out of room. I'd watch your current arrangement and when pollen is coming in, keep an eye on the room the queen has to lay in. I'd check every two weeks. Once the protein level increase (pollen) brood production will become intense and the queen will need extra cells to lay in: I'd move some empties from below and replace some full honey frames with them. Give her two to start. Id she lays these all up quickly, make more room. Although difficult, there's a satisfaction to tread the balance between not enough honey and too much over the brood nest. Or, not enough room over the queen or too much. I cull any queens that jam up the brood nest with honey, and some do. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf panix com To reply to this post, use the address components in the signature. Article 34029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:08:34 -0600 From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brood comb question Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:10:40 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.27.106 X-Trace: sv3-j3pV4HQR/v7W0kjBYGdUIOz8xshsYcaN2nuqsxVizs96hUBu0jKBN1jg5uu4vpaemUjAGg6M9F0qgLB!l1aNIk8RZvfiFjA41hCoub41gmqSBfpQgAWSQFF1dRWVnDui7KMPbIzY6NrviQFNY89jAz+K2RkJ!huM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@arkansas.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@arkansas.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.arkansas.net!news.arkansas.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34029 Hi everyone, new to newsgroups and first post attempt. How often should the brood comb be replaced? Do you usually put in a deep frame from a super or just start with a fresh sheet of foundation? Last question. I have a few different breeds of bees since I started, but last year I tried a "Buckfast" bee. They seem (ARE) very aggressive. Anybody have any experience with this breed. thanks j Article 34030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some hints for my software! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:24:46 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3e5563db$0$220$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.66 X-Trace: 1045783515 dread16.news.tele.dk 220 195.249.242.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34030 Dear beekeeper Fellows! Some new stuff not covered in manual. : Some hints for the software : When on the quick entry screen you have the following possibilities. Turn of the mittel button row turn of the filter panel. after this you can use Right mouse click to gain acces to the most of it in a popup menu. in upper left corner of the grid you will find a Title check. This will give configuring access for the grid layout. you can rearange the columns directly in grid. If you dont care about the queen name then you can turn the show of queen name of. about the use of frames, you can use it for number of boxes instead of or you can duppel click the extra inputs and rename those to Supers - Medium -Shallow as you are used to in US and then enter the numbers for the hive there. After this you can rename the connected grid columns to the same. Both in upper and lower grid. the search engine demands you to create a search template before you can use it. it is the only accesable button if the screen is blank. please ask if you are in doubt Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail apimo@apimo.dk Article 34031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <0Kf5a.89052$Xr1.22496141@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:59:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.24.97.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1045792764 66.24.97.178 (Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:59:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:59:24 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34031 Anyone know what the price of industrial beeswax is at ? Article 34032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Søren" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20021219123846.29705.00000148@mb-cv.aol.com> Subject: Re: mites Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:58:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3e563070$0$4383$bc7fd3c@news.sonofon.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.88.71.2 X-Trace: 1045835888 news.sonofon.dk 4383 212.88.71.2:26885 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!news.net.uni-c.dk!sunsite.dk!sonofon.dk!dreaderd.sonofon.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34032 "Hankinson" wrote in message news:20021219123846.29705.00000148@mb-cv.aol.com... > Could any of you direct me to some good sources for current information on > controlling the mites. I understand some methods have been developed. Hi Burl I use the Nassenheider evaporator to control the mites. It works very good for me. You can read about it on www.nassenheider.com /Søren Article 34033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for Screened Bottom Board Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:44:15 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1045838659 53115788 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34033 Actually, I doubt your customers will appreciate tobacco residue (nicotine) in their honey either. Nicotine is a pretty potent poison (which is why it has been traditionally used to kill insects and larva -- which describes the interior of a hive pretty well). When supers are in place, you should do a count without any smoke (usually a 24 hour count) instead. Check out some of the research being published from Georgia, etc. "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:b30bc7$snv$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > Apistan is darned expensive and also should not be used with supers > on. Tobacco smoke costs nothing and can be done any time. Article 34034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood comb question Date: 21 Feb 2003 08:03:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0302210803.c882ec@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1045843414 29332 127.0.0.1 (21 Feb 2003 16:03:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Feb 2003 16:03:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34034 "John" wrote in message news:... > Hi everyone, new to newsgroups and first post attempt. > > How often should the brood comb be replaced? Do you usually put in a deep > frame from a super or just start with a fresh sheet of foundation? > > Last question. I have a few different breeds of bees since I started, but > last year I tried a "Buckfast" bee. They seem (ARE) very aggressive. > Anybody have any experience with this breed. > > thanks > > j Well when the combs get ratty looking and black it's good to start cycling them out and either using them in swarm traps or rendering them down for the wax. It is easier to just move a comb in from a super as trying to draw one frame of foundation in the midst of drawn combs can result in some wierd comb. I gave up on Buckfasts because the supercedures are too aggressive for my tastes. A veil covered so thick with angry bees as to obscure my vision just won't do. Lately I have come to like carniolans. Been getting mine from Vacaville California from an outfit called Bee Happy Apiaries and they have done very well. I had good luck with a strain called "midnite" from Jessup Ga. from York And good luck with Italian queens sold via Walter Kelly co but i don't recall their source-perhaps Wilbanks The Italians are a little testy and some of the crosses can get a little mean but nothing at all like Buckfasts. With Buckfasts you better use marked queens and requeen every year. I only requeen 1/2 of my colonies per year. Article 34035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ricia and Michael Banther" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rendering wax Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:08:45 -0000 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.78.77.252 Message-ID: <3e56a33d@212.67.96.135> X-Trace: 21 Feb 2003 22:07:57 GMT, 213.78.77.252 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!212.67.96.135!213.78.77.252 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34035 Beecrofter recently mentioned rendering old, black brood comb. I've never tried it and I'd like to know how you get the dirty crap to seperate from the wax. Does it rise to the top as dross? Also, how do you deal with the grunge left in the melting pot? Regards, Michael Bees Beneath the Barrow Article 34036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California beekeeping Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:39:04 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 17 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34036 Hello all! Just had to let you know what a beautiful day it was today in northern California. The sky was clear and the temp was a balmy 69 degrees. I reversed my lower deeps and found the queen already hard at work laying eggs. I found healthy larva in the hive. I've already added a second super! Spring is here early and the fruit trees are in bloom. I just started my hive last spring and I am hoping that my first harvest (I left the super on last fall) will be a whopper! To those of you back east who are digging your hives out of the snow....look to the coming days of spring. Regards, James Avila amateur beekeeper Article 34037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Demo of a palmhandheld Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:17:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3e57b093$0$225$edfadb0f@dread15.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.125 X-Trace: 1045934227 dread15.news.tele.dk 225 195.249.242.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34037 If you are interested in seeing how a palm OS handheld is working and how my Bidata handheld is working then http://apimo.dk/programs/palmdemo.zip It is a desktop based palmemulator and you do not need to have a Palm installed. It emulates a Palm V device. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 34038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEST Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:44:51 -0000 Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.69.155 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.69.155 Message-ID: <3e56b788@news.greennet.net> X-Trace: 21 Feb 2003 15:34:32 -0800, 213.121.69.155 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-sanjose!news-in-sanjose!news.destek.net!mozart.jlc.net!news.greennet.net!213.121.69.155 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34038 Article 34039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030124135833.27129.00000334@mb-mq.aol.com> Subject: Re: test Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:45:04 -0000 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.69.155 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.69.155 Message-ID: <3e56b794@news.greennet.net> X-Trace: 21 Feb 2003 15:34:44 -0800, 213.121.69.155 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-sanjose!news-in-sanjose!news.destek.net!mozart.jlc.net!news.greennet.net!213.121.69.155 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34039 Absw wrote in message news:20030124135833.27129.00000334@mb-mq.aol.com... > estt Article 34040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3e57b093$0$225$edfadb0f@dread15.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Demo of a palmhandheld Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:47:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3e57fe0a$0$4309$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.1 X-Trace: 1045954058 dread14.news.tele.dk 4309 195.215.97.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34040 if you have my bidata and have Palm installed then you can hotsynck beetween the Palm and the bidata. Open bidata open the emulator and then click the hotsynk. now just click at the modemhotsynk. this should work : be aware of that my data will be transfered to the desktop bidata, and after that the data from desktp bidata will be transfered to the palm demo. "Jorn Johanesson" skrev i en meddelelse news:3e57b093$0$225$edfadb0f@dread15.news.tele.dk... > If you are interested in seeing how a palm OS handheld is working and how my > Bidata handheld is working then > > http://apimo.dk/programs/palmdemo.zip > > It is a desktop based palmemulator and you do not need to have a Palm > installed. It emulates a Palm V device. > > -- > Best regards > > Jorn Johanesson > > visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software > and other beekeeping stuff. > > Article 34041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3e531931@news.greennet.net> Subject: Re: Proper use of varroa treatments Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:38:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1045957127 24.64.223.206 (Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:38:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:38:47 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34041 If you're looking for a mite treatment go to this sites. http://de.geocities.com/vaporizerklaus/ http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message news:3e531931@news.greennet.net... > > Freddie Cooke wrote in message news:... > > I have read a number of postings regarding the use of Varroacides as a > knock > > down for testing levels of mite infestation. Keepers in the UK we have > been > > encouraged to use varoacides with great care in order to avoid the > > development of resistant mites. Can I make plea that you read and observe > > the following : > > > > Resistant Mites? > > Varroa populations will eventually develop resistance to any chemical > > varroacide, whether proprietary or alternative. Individual variation in a > > mite population may result in small numbers of mites with resistant traits > > (e.g., a thicker cuticle that prevents entry of theactive ingredient or a > > metabolism that may break down the treatment before it does the mite > > damage). These characteristics are genetic and heritable, but often the > > mites with these unusual traits are > > reproductively weaker and are initially present as only a tiny proportion > of > > the entire population. > > > > Are you selecting for resistant mites? > > ....this can happen when a populatio of mites is exposed continuously ta a > > varroacide leaving only the less susceptible mites to breed.......You can > > delay the development of resistance as follows : > > > > Apply treatments only when needed. > > Always use the full recommended dose > > Always remove the strips after treatment > > Do not attempt to re-use the strips, as these will not release a full > dose. > > Alternative treatments using unrelated authorised products wherever > > possible. > > > > You can download the full Varroa treatment brochure by visiting the UK > > government site at > > http://www.csl.gov.uk/prodserv/cons/bee/factsheets/Managing_Varroa.pdf > > > > Please do your bit to help slow down the development of resistant mites > > which could have disasterous consequences for the environment. > > > > Best wishes, Freddie Cooke. > > > > > > Article 34042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper use of varroa treatments Date: 23 Feb 2003 07:22:30 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0302230722.3b49588e@posting.google.com> References: <3e531931@news.greennet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.114.33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046013750 20321 127.0.0.1 (23 Feb 2003 15:22:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2003 15:22:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34042 "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message news:<3e531931@news.greennet.net>... > Freddie Cooke wrote in message news:... > > I have read a number of postings regarding the use of Varroacides as a > knock > > down for testing levels of mite infestation. Keepers in the UK we have > been > can download the full Varroa treatment brochure by visiting the UK > > government site at > > http://www.csl.gov.uk/prodserv/cons/bee/factsheets/Managing_Varroa.pdf > > > > Please do your bit to help slow down the development of resistant mites > > which could have disasterous consequences for the environment. > > > > Best wishes, Freddie Cooke. > > > > There are varroa resistance mites in North Devon at the moment, we are now encoureged to use integrated pest management not just the use of varroacides. see your local regional bee inspector for more information. Article 34043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mudshark@hotmail.com (TC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees nest photo Date: 26 Feb 2003 09:56:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <1c7cf400.0302260956.1ee6840f@posting.google.com> References: <1c7cf400.0302251051.64bf9d61@posting.google.com> <3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.112.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046282197 20443 127.0.0.1 (26 Feb 2003 17:56:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2003 17:56:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34043 AL wrote in message news:<3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net>... > Peter Edwards wrote: > > Can you describe it? > > > > It is probably an old wasps' nest which will be made of a paper - either > > grey or brownish depending on the species - and it will be deserted . > > > > A bees' nest will consist of wax combs, more or less parallel and hanging > > from a support. It may or may not be occupied. > > -- > > Peter Edwards > > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > Regardless of the bug that put it there, it should be removed before you > board it up. > > AL OK I'll remove it then; do I need to be careful or would the winter have definitely killed everything? I think it is a wasps nest. I thought it might be a bees nest as one of these DIY type programmes removed a nest that looked like mine and called it a bees nest. Thanks TC Article 34044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Jim Sharp" From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:31:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.47.219.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1046287884 4.47.219.113 (Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:31:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:31:24 EST Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!1b6a651e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34044 I recall seeing an article in Bee Culture (I think?) that had several recipes for creamed honey fruit spreads. The article talked mostly about apricot honey spread and sited references to Penn State doing some marketing studies on it. Anyone have a recipe or the article? I have some honey that has crystallized and was thinking about giving it a try. I tried Bee Culture's archive search and it appears there's something wrong with it or me, any hits in the search are not valid links...?? Thanks Jim -- SHARP CURBING Concrete Landscape Borders http://sharpcurbing.com Article 34045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees nest photo Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:17:08 -0000 Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <1c7cf400.0302251051.64bf9d61@posting.google.com> <3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net> <1c7cf400.0302260956.1ee6840f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.200.30 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1046294626 18856 217.134.200.30 (26 Feb 2003 21:23:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2003 21:23:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34045 If it is grey and papery then it will be wasps and empty. If bees then you will see them on the combs. Incidentally, it is a wasps' nest and you can remove it reasonably intact (use a knife) then any local primary school will probably appreciate it for their 'nature table'. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "TC" wrote in message news:1c7cf400.0302260956.1ee6840f@posting.google.com... > AL wrote in message news:<3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net>... > > Peter Edwards wrote: > > > Can you describe it? > > > > > > It is probably an old wasps' nest which will be made of a paper - either > > > grey or brownish depending on the species - and it will be deserted . > > > > > > A bees' nest will consist of wax combs, more or less parallel and hanging > > > from a support. It may or may not be occupied. > > > -- > > > Peter Edwards > > > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > > Regardless of the bug that put it there, it should be removed before you > > board it up. > > > > AL > > OK I'll remove it then; do I need to be careful or would the winter > have definitely killed everything? > > I think it is a wasps nest. I thought it might be a bees nest as one > of these DIY type programmes removed a nest that looked like mine and > called it a bees nest. > > Thanks > TC Article 34046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Devon Bees Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:45:24 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.132.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net 1046364627 80.4.132.111 (Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:50:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:50:27 GMT Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34046 I am about to move to the East Devon area in the UK and would like to get in contact with a local BKA. I would also appreciate any general advice on the area, as I am moving from Nottingham. I have only two colonies, but hope to build up gradually over the coming years! Many thanks in advance, John Ford Article 34047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "roythiat" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A farm for sale in France Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:13:31 +0100 Organization: Guest of TISCALI - FRANCE Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news3adm.tiscali.fr X-Trace: news2adm.tiscali.fr. 1046379613 21252 172.29.129.3 (27 Feb 2003 21:00:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@libertysurf.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:00:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.36.88.141 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!proxad.net!news.tiscali.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34047 Hello; I have a farm in France, and I can't farm it any longer. So I research someone to buy it. It's situated in the center of France, and actually I raise sheep (Suffolk breed) There are more precisions at http://royjp.chez.tiscali.fr/Anglais/cdr_farm.html If you want more informations, you may mail me roythiat@yahoo.fr Thank you. Have a nice day Roy JP Article 34048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mudshark@hotmail.com (TC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees nest photo Date: 28 Feb 2003 03:08:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1c7cf400.0302280308.5e8fffa3@posting.google.com> References: <1c7cf400.0302251051.64bf9d61@posting.google.com> <3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net> <1c7cf400.0302260956.1ee6840f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.80.112.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046430523 24223 127.0.0.1 (28 Feb 2003 11:08:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2003 11:08:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34048 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > If it is grey and papery then it will be wasps and empty. If bees then you > will see them on the combs. > > Incidentally, it is a wasps' nest and you can remove it reasonably intact > (use a knife) then any local primary school will probably appreciate it for > their 'nature table'. Good idea. So I can remove it with no fear that there's anything in there that will hurt me?! I don't need to use anything to kill anything that might be alive in there? Thanks, TC Article 34049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees nest photo Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:08:50 -0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1c7cf400.0302251051.64bf9d61@posting.google.com> <3E5BFD8E.94A10E47@hcis.net> <1c7cf400.0302260956.1ee6840f@posting.google.com> <1c7cf400.0302280308.5e8fffa3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.129.6 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1046477349 5177 217.135.129.6 (1 Mar 2003 00:09:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2003 00:09:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34049 If it is a wasps' nest then it will be empty. "TC" wrote in message news:1c7cf400.0302280308.5e8fffa3@posting.google.com... > "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > > If it is grey and papery then it will be wasps and empty. If bees then you > > will see them on the combs. > > > > Incidentally, it is a wasps' nest and you can remove it reasonably intact > > (use a knife) then any local primary school will probably appreciate it for > > their 'nature table'. > > Good idea. So I can remove it with no fear that there's anything in > there that will hurt me?! I don't need to use anything to kill > anything that might be alive in there? > > Thanks, > TC