Article 11042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.carno.net.au!slipr38.anu.edu.au!user From: crowther@rsc.anu.edu.au (Jeff) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey freezes, is it pure? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:32:08 +1000 Organization: Bad at Best Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <886501799.1050411013@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.148.102 X-Wisdom: I need a holiday Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11042 In article <886501799.1050411013@dejanews.com>, aqeel_anwar@hotmail.com wrote: |> I have bought honey from a local farm. It has frozen. The normal |> temperature here is less than 10C. Some body said that pure honey does |> not freez. Can anybody tell me whether this statement is true or not. |> Also is there any other procedure to test the purity of honey? Dear Aqeel Anwar I'm not a honey expert but......I put honey onto ice-cream sometimes (very nice) and the honey does not freeze. Temperature should be around -15C I guess as the freezer is at -20C. Honey gets very viscous but not frozen. Is your honey frozen or has it just crystallised ?? -- Who knows what the signature says so many people use my computer Article 11043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "O.Y." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hello everybody Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:17:54 -0800 Organization: METU Lines: 4 Message-ID: <34D8DB02.363D@orca.cc.metu.edu.tr> Reply-To: e109352@orca.cc.metu.edu.tr NNTP-Posting-Host: pc16.eee.metu.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!news.tacom.army.mil!news.he.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ulak.net.tr!news.metu.edu.tr!aykute Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11043 I am from Turkiye and Iam looking for beeswax manufactures.I search it in yahoo but almost all of the results is about beeswax candles.but i want beeswax to use in hive anybody can you give me an address including this info or infos itselves Article 11044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!gate.news.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.kpn.com!hdxf08.telecom.ptt.nl!usenet From: "hans-peter sloot" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hello everybody Date: 4 Feb 1998 12:29:58 GMT Organization: PTT Telecom B.V. Informatievoorziening en Automatisering Telecom Message-ID: <01bd3168$a16f55f0$10d80791@Hans-Peter> References: <34D8DB02.363D@orca.cc.metu.edu.tr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.7.216.16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11044 Here is an address in Germany: I live in The Netherlands and ordered some articles from them. They send it via post or parcel delivery. You can contact them and order a catalog. Graze Katalog 97/98 Postfach 2107 D 71370 Weinstadt tel.: 00 49 7151 969230 fax: 00 49 7151 969233 O.Y. wrote in article <34D8DB02.363D@orca.cc.metu.edu.tr>... > I am from Turkiye and Iam looking for beeswax manufactures.I search it > in yahoo but almost all of the results is about beeswax candles.but i > want beeswax to use in hive > anybody can you give me an address including this info or infos itselves > Article 11045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping in dominica,w.i. Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:08:00 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34D85A20.18D3@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26206@205.216.79.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11045 going to dominica next week to participate in a youth beekeeping training...any apicultural information/contacts would bee most appreciated! Article 11046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: solar wax melter plans Date: 4 Feb 1998 14:54:38 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19980204145400.JAA07754@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bd2eac$25224f20$6fbd16d0@chuck> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11046 In article <01bd2eac$25224f20$6fbd16d0@chuck>, "Mike Shadow" writes: >I'm interested in obtaining a set of plans to build a solar wax melter. >If any fellow beekeepers have a set, or know where I can buy a set, or even >if you have any ideas you'd like to share I sure would appreciate it E-mail >me or post it here. You'll swallow hard, when you get the price on new glass, or worse, plexiglass. For a cheap, cheap melter, check with a local contractor or builders' salvage yard for windows. If you can get a double glazed one, it's better for northern locations, though here in the south, it's not necessary, except maybe in winter. Then build your box to fit. That will be fine for hobby use. I've been puttering with "the mother of all wax melters," which I hope to (someday) finish and get into production. The ones I've used in the past are too small for any real production. I have a 4 x 10 foot trailer. With the tongue down, it's at a good angle for the sun. I can easily move it by hand, as it is well balanced....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey freezes, is it pure? Date: 4 Feb 1998 14:54:38 GMT Lines: 54 Message-ID: <19980204145401.JAA26480@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <886501799.1050411013@dejanews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11047 In article <886501799.1050411013@dejanews.com>, aqeel_anwar@hotmail.com writes: >I have bought honey from a local farm. It has frozen. The normal temperature >here is less than 10C. Some body said that pure honey does not freez. Can >anybody tell me whether this statement is true or not. Also is there any >other procedure to test the purity of honey? Your comment puzzles me. I suspect you mean crystallization. Raw honey will crystallize, because it is a supersaturated solution. Some honeys crystallize rapidly, some take years, but all raw honey will eventually, when kept in a cool place. The speed of crystallization depends on the ratio of sugars, which depends on the blossoms the bees got their nectar from. It also depends on temperature. If kept at 70 degrees F, crystallization will be slow. If kept at 50, it will be rapid. If kept at freezing or below, it won't crystallize, at least for a very long time. We restore crystallized honey to liquid in a warm box at 105 F for 12-24 hours. This all refers to raw honey. Supermarket honey is cooked and pressure filtered with diatomacious (not sure about that spelling) earth through very fine filters to remove every trace of pollen and beeswax. Any particle can become a nucleus for sugar crystals to start forming. Supermarket honey can stay on the shelf for many months, even years without crystallization. The health food folks says this treatment also ruins honey. There is a lot of folklore about this. There is a common myth around that honey that crystallizes has been adulterated with sugar. On the other hand there is another myth that honey that does NOT crystallize is adulterated because corn syrup will not crystallize..... which it will. We replace all honey that crystallizes on our seller's shelves. My wife mentioned this in a sales pitch to a produce stand clerk and she sniffed: "(Your competor's) honey doesn't ever crystallize." At the next produce stand my wife found a shelf full of jars of (our competitor's) honey all set up solid. She bought one and drove back to the first stand, where she presented it as a gift to the clerk. In itself, the fact that honey crystallizes, doesn't tell you much, perhaps only a bit about its storage history. Most produce stands are unheated or only partly heated, so crystallized honey is common in the winter here. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-198.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees in So Cal Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:26:42 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34d834f8.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <34d6c9cb.7152295@news2.pe.net> <34d76835.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> <34D7A054.A90BA4A7@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11048 Kathy Hough wrote in message <34D7A054.A90BA4A7@ne.mediaone.net>... >Kidney John, >'Package bees' are simply a box of workers (sometimes with drones) >usually sold with a queen--though one can buy a package of just workers. >Packages are sold by weight with the most common size being 3 pound (in >my experience) and sizes ranging from 2 to 5 pounds. This method of >purchasing bees is frequently recommended to beginner beekeepers in our >area so that they can learn some of the fundamentals of beekeeping >before the possibility of being exposed to brood diseases that one might >'inherit' with the purchase of nucleus colonies. > >Kathy > Thanks. So if I've got this right, they are bees, with no 'frames', whereas a 'nuc' comes on frames, with brood............ Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply All Spam Will Be Summarily Deleted! Article 11049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.186.0.13!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ban on Bee Cures Message-ID: <886604028@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:10:48 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 29f0db81 REPLY: 240:44/0 3eaa4d92 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(200) Lines: 72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11049 >>L L> Hi all, >> L> An article in the February issue of Scottish Beekeeper which >> L> was taken from the Sunday Telegraph 30/11/97 talks about the >> L> new regulation "Statutory Instrument No. 1729" which in >> effect L> bans all chemical Varroa treatments except Bayvarol. >> The L> punishment for using any unlicensed chemicals being a >> fine up L> to £5000. >> L> I think that this will make it unlawful to use any of the >> acids, volatile >> L> substances and even mineral oil unless they are licensed. >> In L> Britain. I suppose it is a good idea in that if anything >> goes L> wrong then there is only >> L> one thing to blame, Bayvarol, but what happens when the mites become >> L> resistant to this chemical. Will Bayer come to our aid?? -- >> L> Harry >> L> Scotland >> >> L> Knitwear Web site: >> L> http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ >>Hallo Harry, >>Dont worry you'll be alright soon as you elect your new >>Parliament, you will be able to write your own laws, you better >>polish up your election address now. It;s us Poor ***** down >>here that have to worry especially as the Fluvalinate resistant >>Varro are lining up along the French and Belgian coastline just >>awaiting their transport over. Actually we may already have our >>own resistant mites down here already. >> >>You are quite right about this stupid legislation and the fact >>that it is illegal to treat withanything other than Bayvarol, I >>have twenty litres of formic acid still and i find it very >>effective. >> >>We seem to employ Ostriches in Maff these days, not only do they >>put their heads underground when it comes to making decisions >>but they are hobbled as well. >> >>Weel what are you going to do??? Write to your MP, MEP, Minister >>of Agricuture Dr. Jack (Dolittle) Cunningham and the Veterinary >>Medicines Directorate, and >>lastly Petition the European Parliament. I'll send you a mail shortly with >>more information. >> >>Regards from the Garden of England (devoid of Bees and mites, >>all gone North) peter.hutton@btinternet.com W> Hi, W> It may be of interest to you guys that in the recent copy of W> the Welsh Beekeeper, there is an article about a new company W> called Vita (Europe Ltd.). Who have the rights to Novartis W> products eg:- Apistan, Apitol, Folbex and Apigard. They expect W> to get U.K. approval for Apistan early this year. They can be W> contacted on 01256 473177. W> Regards John Widgery, W> -- W> Woodside Electronics Dr. Max Watkins has written in B-Beel.int on this subject, he is one of the two directors who bought out the rights from his former employers Novartis. He in contactable on the following address max.watkins@vita.demon.co.uk I believe that it should be sufficient to register a product in one EU Country only for it to be available in all the others without further registration provided the registration procedures and information is acceptable to all the rest of the EU. The de Bruyere case in the Court of Justice in Luxemburg did EU beekeepers no favours and that is the problem that we should now address by petitioning the EU Parliament for a change in regulations covering Beekeeping medicaments. Greetings from the Garedn of England Peter Hutton --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 11050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.186.0.13!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ban on Bee Cures Message-ID: <886604027@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:33:28 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 29f04f93 REPLY: 240:44/0 0392b1d1 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(200) Lines: 42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11050 Francis Cardin wrote, C> Formic acid being a constituent component of honey it may not C> fall under the term 'chemical Varroa treatments' legally C> speaking. C> Peace! C> Francis C> Peter Hutton schrieb im Beitrag C> <886141948@amigabee.org.uk>... >> Harry wrote >> L L> Hi all, >> L> An article in the February issue of Scottish Beekeeper which >> L> was taken from the Sunday Telegraph 30/11/97 talks about the >> L> new regulation "Statutory Instrument No. 1729" which in effect >> L> bans all chemical Varroa treatments except Bayvarol. The >> L> punishment for using any unlicensed chemicals being a fine up >> L> to £5000. Thanks for the Mail Francis, I use formic acid already as an alternative to Bayvarol, at the time of writing the UK Government Ministry of Agriculture has drafted an EU directive into Statute without consultation with the Beekeeping Industry both hobby and commercial, the consequences of which strictly speaking make it illegal for use any unregistered chemical for combating Varroa. In this County, Kent, 90% of bee colonies were lost to Varroa and it's effect Winter of 95/96. Over 30% of Beekeepers have given up and more will follow. You will have read of the BSE problems with cattle (Rindetiere) in the UK, From that fiasco you can imagine how beekeeping is treated, we are a minority and are treated as insignificant cranks, our EU funding will be used solely by the Ministry to offset it's own costs and we are not well enough organised to be heard. Beekeeepers in England are somewhat solitary people, were we to better communicate with each other then we would get somewhere. Merci pour votre lettre. Danke fuer deiner Brief. Greetings from the Garden of England Peter Hutton --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 11051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on Bee Cures Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:32:50 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <886604027@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11051 To all UK beekeepers. Today I saw a copy of a letter from Jeff Rooker,MP in which he states ".....for the sort of non-medicinal products sometimes used by beekeepers. The Residues Regulations would prohibit the administration of such products only where, if transmitted to an animal product, it would he likely to be harmful to human health. Thus, if the product is not harmful, it can be administered...." As Peter Hutton says in another posting, the de Bruyere case was a catastrophe for us and is quoted in the letter. There's more to it, and when I get the my homepage page up and working again, I will reveal more. Watch this space. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 11052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.4.5!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on Bee Cures Date: 4 Feb 1998 19:30:30 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bd31a3$e09c1e80$LocalHost@default> References: <886141948@amigabee.org.uk> <01bd3015$18be19c0$4b80a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.60.28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11052 francis wrote in article <01bd3015$18be19c0$4b80a19d@default>... > Formic acid being a constituent component of honey it may not fall under > the term 'chemical Varroa treatments' legally speaking. > > Peace! > Francis Hi Francis and "Peace" to you as well, You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the problem with this new legislation. All these "Natural" substances are unlikely to be licensed since they cannot be patented and it would cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to license them. The legislation seems to be that, "If it is licensed then it is OK" - "If not then it is illegal" Where do you go to find out what is licensed?? Is sugar licensed??? -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Article 11053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees in So Cal Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:42:40 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6baquu$l8f@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <34d6c9cb.7152295@news2.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.155.154 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11053 Hi Jim The biggest breeders out your way are in Texas but there must be some guys in CA. Call the Department of Agriculture, they will have a list or at least a local contact. Gary (GBee) gbees@worldnet.att.net Jim Rasmussen wrote in message <34d6c9cb.7152295@news2.pe.net>... >Can anyone give me the address of a supplier of package bees in >southern CA? I am about 35 miles west of Palm Springs. > >Thanks....Jim. >Jim Rasmussen >Email: JamesR@pe.net >Idyllwild CA 92549 > Article 11054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.wli.net!pln!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "C.A. Magolda" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:22:54 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 49 Message-ID: <34D9065E.31BA@mail.intrlink.com> References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> Reply-To: cmagolda@mail.intrlink.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-408.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; U) To: hans-peter sloot Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11054 hans-peter sloot wrote: > > One of our national TV stations is going to show an American > documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the > two American continents. > > The announcement says that hundreds of people are yearly killed > by bees. Bees make more victims than any other kind of insect? > > Now I would like to know the truth! ( I am a hobby beekeeper in > The Netherlands, Europe and do not believe it) > However killer bees are not here in Europe many people start > talking about killer bees when you tell that you keep bees. > > How bad is the situation on both continents? > How many people are killed by these bees? > > I would like to have this information so that I can tell te truth to > others. > > Please send a copy of you reaction to my email address too! > > -- > Name :H.G.Sloot > Phone :+31-50-5855954 > E mail :H.G.Sloot@PTT-Telecom.NL > DISCLAIMER:This statement is not an official statement from, nor > does it represent an official position of, PTT Telecom BV. Hi Hans. Might I be so bold as to suggest you visit our website . We manufacture an emergency-use insect veil, and a portion of the website is dedicated to AHB. The pages concerning the AHB is an effort gather the latest information and report facts. We don't believe sensationalism helps anyone. Most of our maps have been recently updated. We also search the web daily for AHB related stories. Our sources report a total of 6 deaths attributed to AHB in the US since late 1990, the time of the first occurrence of Africanized bees (via land migration) in the US. The website also includes a "Chronology of Events" and recent AHB stories reported in the press. Give it a look-over. Best Regards, Charles Magolda Article 11055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.texas.net!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: mark rayner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized Honeybee Lecture in Texas Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:53:13 -0600 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8F95780AE430AAE6.C608671FF3C7E775.7A4E7408CC195BAB@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <34D91B89.48DB@airmail.net> Reply-To: mer2@airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Feb 4 19:54:48 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dto03-22.ppp.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11055 PRESS RELEASE February 2, 1998 USDA RESEARCHER TO DISCUSS TEXAS MIGRATION OF AFRICANIZED HONEYBEES William L. Rubink, PH.D. Research Entomologist for the USDA Honeybee Research Laboratory in Weslaco, TX, will be the featured speaker at the next meeting of the Trinity Valley Beekeepers Association in Irving, TX. The free program, open to the general public, will be held 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m., Friday, February 13 at 1930 Hinton Drive, Irving, TX. Dr. Rubink will discuss the northward migration of Africanized honeybees into Texas. Africanized honeybees began migrating from South America during the 1950s and were first detected in the United States near Brownsville, TX in October, 1990. The Honeybee Research Laboratory, In Weslaco, is developing baseline data on the ecology, morphology, behavior and swarming activities of wild bee populations in Northeast Mexico and south Texas. The data collected by the laboratory will enable scientists to detect and quantify changes that occur in the wild bee populations when stressed by the presence of Africanized honeybees. There are currently 94 Texas counties under state quarantine, including Johnson and Ellis counties. The state quarantine allows beekeepers to move bee hives within but not out of the quarantined zones in an effort to prevent further spread of Africanized honeybees. Meetings of the Trinity Valley Beekeepers Association are held at the Union Hall located at 1930 Hinton, Irving, Texas on the 2nd Friday of even numbered months at 7:30 p.m. Article 11056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To requeen or not to requeen? Date: 5 Feb 1998 05:02:38 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 86 Message-ID: <01bd31f2$ecfea540$359182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <886452482.1207042057@dejanews.com> <01bd3044$36a786e0$9e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <886530339.2115698706@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-39.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11056 kejones@ptdcs2.intel.com wrote in article <886530339.2115698706@dejanews.com>... > In article <01bd3044$36a786e0$9e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack > Griffes (spamblocked)" wrote: > > > Young vigorous queens are a critical > > part of continuing success IMO. > > Jack, > > Thanks for the advice. One question, though: You said: > > >Young vigorous queens are a critical > >part of continuing success IMO. > > Now, I understand young, and I guess in bee terms, my queen is no longer > young. She may or may not be - you flatly do NOT know unless she is marked and/or clipped OR is a completely different color pattern than the one you put in. Thus the value of having marked queens (if you have time to look for them OR need to know for a breeding program). > But how do you define vigorous? by the amount of high quality brood she produces - even if she is young if she ain't also vigorous she gets permanent early retirement via execution (life as a honeybee queen is rough - produce or die - and the retirement plan just don't exist) >I guess I was thinking that, > since this queen produced (last year) a brood that drew 40 (medium) > frames of comb and 135 pounds of honey, she at least qualified as > 'vigorous'. But I take it you're saying that last year's results are no > guarantee of this year's, and that an unproven young queen would be > better than an old queen with excellent previous results? IF the queen exceeded her yard's per colony production average significantly and ALSO fit the other criterion we would take her to a test yard as potential breeding stock. Otherwise she would get a protected queen cell in her colony during a flow with about 60-80% odds of a "forced supersedure occuring WITHOUT us even looking for her. IF we had no interest in breeding better bees we would just plant cells all around and skip with the extra work of testing potential breeding stock or even identifying it. Why? Everything has a life expectancy - would you rather wait until the old thing is failing and your colony is dwindling? OR would you rather look at her as a egg producer on the "one good year and you are out" plan? I suspect it depends on your objective. IF your objective is to produce honey which would you choose? IF your objective is breeding better bees which would you choose? The end objective determines the choice and it won't be the same in every instance. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * American women use handguns 416 times a day in defense against rapists, which is a dozen times more often than rapists use a gun? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 11057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reinforced foundation Date: 3 Feb 1998 10:49:20 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd3090$f7f69c40$0869afce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn102-008.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11057 Over the years I have aquired a lot of used equipment some of it second and third hand.Upon cleaning it up, several times I have found in it a foundation I would very much like to buy but the former owners don't know where it came from.It is an all wax wire reinforced product, wired both vertically and horizontally bound by a thin, flat metal rim about 3/16" wide usually used in grooved frames.Any leads would be greatly appreciated. -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA Article 11058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-223.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized Honeybee Lecture in Texas Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:53:21 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34d99b4f.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <8F95780AE430AAE6.C608671FF3C7E775.7A4E7408CC195BAB@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11058 >There are currently 94 Texas counties under state quarantine, including >Johnson and Ellis counties. The state quarantine allows beekeepers to >move bee hives within but not out of the quarantined zones in an effort >to prevent further spread of Africanized honeybees. Don't Texan bees have the ability to fly, then? Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply All Spam Will Be Summarily Deleted! Article 11059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized Honeybee Lecture in Texas Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:11:24 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6bcc8i$b11@library.airnews.net> References: <8F95780AE430AAE6.C608671FF3C7E775.7A4E7408CC195BAB@library-proxy.airnews.net> <34d99b4f.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Feb 5 06:45:06 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11059 "Kidney John" wrote: >>There are currently 94 Texas counties... >Don't Texan bees have the ability to fly, then? Sure they do, how do you think they spread from one county in 1990 to 94 counties, eight years later? Of course, they don't fly as fast as mankind can carry them on trucks to all Texas' counties.... Article 11060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cargo.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reinforced foundation Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:38:16 -0500 Organization: lahdeefreakindaaah Lines: 21 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bd3090$f7f69c40$0869afce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: cargo.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11060 You can see ads for this product in old (~60's) bee journals. If I'm not mistaken it was offered by Dadant back then. In article <01bd3090$f7f69c40$0869afce@default>, "Ernest Scofield" wrote: > Over the years I have aquired a lot of used equipment some > of it second and third hand.Upon cleaning it up, several > times I have found in it a foundation I would very much > like to buy but the former owners don't know where it came > from.It is an all wax wire reinforced product, wired both > vertically and horizontally bound by a thin, flat metal rim > about 3/16" wide usually used in grooved frames.Any leads > would be greatly appreciated. > > > -- > E.L.Scofield > Sideline Beekeeper > Virginia Beach,VA.USA Article 11061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news.IAEhv.nl!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm2-154.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized Honeybee Lecture in Texas Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:36:42 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34da3daf.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <8F95780AE430AAE6.C608671FF3C7E775.7A4E7408CC195BAB@library-proxy.airnews.net> <34d99b4f.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11061 >>Don't Texan bees have the ability to fly, then? > >Sure they do, how do you think they spread from one >county in 1990 to 94 counties, eight years later? Of course, >they don't fly as fast as mankind can carry them on trucks >to all Texas' counties.... > > Of course, I realise this, but what I really meant was quarantining Texas won't stop bees from flying over the STATE border, into other states. (Obviously I should have said this in the first place! Sorry!) Even if no one ever moves a hive out of Texas, you can bet the bees vacation where-ever they please! I believe the only way to avoid this 'Africanization', if it needs avoiding, and to avoid things like disease, varroa, etc., is good management, and strong healthy colonies. I wish you loads of honey, and other hive products, Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply All Spam Will Be Summarily Deleted! Article 11062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ban on Bee Cures Message-ID: <886719299@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:25:46 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 2a2849a1 REPLY: 240:44/0 1f2d822d PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(201) Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11062 >> Formic acid being a constituent component of honey it may not >> fall under the term 'chemical Varroa treatments' legally >> speaking. >> Peace! >> Francis L> Hi Francis and "Peace" to you as well, L> You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the L> problem with this new legislation. All these "Natural" L> substances are unlikely to be licensed since they cannot be L> patented and it would cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to L> license them. The legislation seems to be that, "If L> it is licensed then it is OK" - "If not then it is illegal" Hi Harry, L> Where do you go to find out what is licensed?? L> Is sugar licensed??? You get the little blue book from Her Majestey's Stationery Office which tells you which chemical is registered and for what use. Incidentally the Government could esily register formic aid as a varroacide, but will it?? There are at least two acids registered for some other uses in the book. It is published each year with the current registrations. Best wishes from the Garden of England peter hutton --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 11063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees in So Cal Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 03:24:56 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6bdvo1$c2s$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <34d6c9cb.7152295@news2.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp46.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11063 In article <34d6c9cb.7152295@news2.pe.net>, jamesr@pe.net wrote: >Can anyone give me the address of a supplier of package bees in >southern CA? I am about 35 miles west of Palm Springs. > The American Beekeeper Jounal has a lot of ads for buying package bees. These bees are about $45; they are sold in pounds, not numbers of bees, about 3 lbs per package; They come in a wooden box with sides made of window screen; the fertilized queen is in there in a separate little wood and screen box so the workers can't ball up on her; they are sent through US Mail and the postman calls your house when the bees arrive and you go to the Post Office and pick them up; in case you didn't know. California package bee sellers are mostly in the Central Valley because of all the almond orchards there, I think it is. Even the all knowing Old Drone comes from there, I think. Article 11064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.eerie.fr!jussieu.fr!ext.jussieu.fr!not-for-mail From: LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.annonces,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.rec.divers,fr.rec.jardinage,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [AAV 3] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Followup-To: poster Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:49:38 +0100 Organization: Usenet Lines: 203 Approved: fufa@teaser.fr Message-ID: References: Reply-To: vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: piaf.lami.univ-evry.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Original-Sender: Pascal.PETIT@LaMI.univ-evry.fr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11064 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello. 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FIN DE LA CHARTE Article 11065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 37 sites at the same address: www.beekeeping.org Date: 6 Feb 1998 11:29:43 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 144 Message-ID: <01bd32f2$aaa42340$6790fcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-103.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11065 The "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now has two addresses http://www.beekeeping.org http://www.apiculture.com where you can surf in on everything connected to beekeeping. What's more, the server has its own internal search engine to make your visit an enjoyable experience. Stats : 2 500 visits / month, 12 Mb for 717 files ! The "Gallery" has two sections: 1) Organizations, companies and journals (37 servers at the same address !) 2) Events, flash info, international databases, interactivities, collective catalogs, tools, goodies, links and miscellaneous Key : E = English, F = French, G = German, S = Spanish, P = Portuguese http://www.beekeeping.org = World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery (E + F + G + S + P) 1) Organizations, companies and journals: A) Organizations: http://www.beekeeping.org/apimondia/ = International Beekeeping Federation (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/anercea/ = Bee breeders association (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/apiservices/ = Beekeeping development (E + F + S) http://www.beekeeping.org/aea/ = European Association for Apitherapy (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/cari/ = Press and services (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/communicate-now/ = Translations (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/cneva/ = Veterinary laboratories (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/edapi/ = European Documentation in Apiculture (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/epba/ = European Professional Beekeepers Association (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/sna/ = Syndicat (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/spmf/ = Syndicat (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/tbrc/ = Triwaks Bee Research Center in Israel (E) http://www.beekeeping.org/unaf/ = Syndicat (F) B) Companies: http://www.beekeeping.org/apiselixirs/ = Health products (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/Biove/ = Veterinary products (Apivar) (E) http://www.beekeeping.org/chezelles/ = Bee products (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/fert/ = Queen breeder + books (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/leclercq/ = Beekeeping CD ROM (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/niddabeilles/ = Bee products (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ = Northern Bee Books (E, under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/opida/ = Videos, leaflets, books (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/rucher-3-tilleuls/ = Bee products (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/swarm/ = Veterinary products (Apistan, B401, Fumidil) (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/thomas/ = N°1 for beekeeping equipment (E + F) C) Journals http://www.beekeeping.org/adf/ = Abeille de France (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/abeilles-cie/ = Abeilles & Cie (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/apiacta/ = Apiacta (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/apidologie/ = Apidologie (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ = Bee-Biz (E, under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/bees-and-development/ = Beekeeping & Development (E + F= http://www.beekeeping.org/opida/ = Bulletin Technique Apicole (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/imkerei-tecnik/ = Imkerei Technik (G) http://www.beekeeping.org/o-apicultor/ = O'Apicultor (P) http://www.beekeeping.org/rfa/ = Revue Française d'Apiculture (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/sante-de-labeille/ = Santé de l'Abeille (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ = The Beekeepers Quarterly (E, under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/vida-apicola/ = Vida Apicola (S) and the numbers grow every (if you would like to join the Gallery, contact us). 2) Events, flash info, international databases, interactivities, collective catalogs, tools, goodies, links and miscellaneous A) Events, flash info: Articles Congresses Symposia Workshops Courses B) International databases: Beekeeping journals Beekeeping museums (for your next trip) Editors Information by country (stats, addresses...) International markets (import/export) Research centers, institutes and universities Training Centers C) Interactivity - Choose the right tool ! All beekeeping discussions > Forum Classified ads > Notice-Board Chat Room live > Java applet Remarks about the site > Guestbook Suggestions/Corrections/Collaboration > Email D) Tools: Beehive plans - Dadant & Langstroth Beekeeping dictionaries - English & French Beekeeping conversions - syrups, wax, Pfund... Books for your bookshelf Calculator for beeswax polish formulae Calculator for honey weight in drums Colors for queens Honey house plans for hobbyist and pro Mathematical conversions - volume, length... Personalized advice Taxonomy - genus, species.. E) Miscellaneous (contribute to these collective catalogs): Beekeeping celebrities Gallery of beekeeping pictures Labels Meads recipes Numismatics Post cards Philately Ancient beehives F) Other beekeeping links: Web Listings Archives NewsGroups Mailing lists FAQ And we have a lot of projects : Mb and Mb of new files ! This " World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" is not our site but your site. You can give suggestions or, better still, collaborate to increase it. Thank you. Gilles Ratia webmaster@apiservices.com http://www.beekeeping.org Article 11066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.med.nutrition,alt.med.veterinary Subject: Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News headlines Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:01:22 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:23023 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11066 sci.agriculture.poultry:4449 sci.agriculture.fruit:1437 sci.med.nutrition:85299 alt.med.veterinary:15114 The updated headlines from Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Animal Pharm is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!nntp.ruhr.de!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-193.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reinforced foundation Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:42:44 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34db5ea3.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <01bd3090$f7f69c40$0869afce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11067 It is an all wax wire reinforced product, wired both >> vertically and horizontally bound by a thin, flat metal rim >> about 3/16" wide usually used in grooved frames.Any leads >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> -- >> E.L.Scofield >> Sideline Beekeeper >> Virginia Beach,VA.USA Thornes (UK) do wired foundation, but I don't know about the metal strip round the edge (which sounds like a good idea to me, I invariably damage the edges when fitting new foundation!) Contact Thornes via http://www.thorne.co.uk Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply All Spam Will Be Summarily Deleted! Article 11068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "JP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:46:27 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6bfsut$3cb$1@usenet47.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3467@209.113.187.112 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11068 I have two hives. On inspection today, I found all the bees dead. Less than two weeks ago on a warm day, the hives were inspected and they looked fine. The weather had been extremely warm allowing the bees to leave the hive and then we had a cold snap. They had plenty on honey left, so it wasn't food. Any Ideas on what may have happened? Is the honey still good? Article 11069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.eerie.fr!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "ROBERT LECCA" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.p Subject: Re: discution Date: 6 Feb 1998 20:44:36 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd322a$c9d5f720$2011fcc1@default> References: <6b25c1$p20$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: gras1-79.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:1044 alt.agriculture.beef:824 alt.agriculture.commodities:20 alt.agriculture.fruit:7419 alt.agriculture.misc:9753 alt.agriculture.technology:40 alt.sustainable.agriculture:21270 sci.agriculture:23038 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11069 sci.agriculture.fruit:1438 RIVIERE didier a écrit dans l'article <6b25c1$p20$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr>... > je suis eleveur en france > iln'y a pas d'agriculteurs qui parle fraçais chez-vous > salut > didier > tu peuts parler avec bob Robert.Lecca@wanadoo.FR > > Article 11070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reinforced foundation Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:51:03 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34DB3164.5E0A@javanet.com> References: <01bd3090$f7f69c40$0869afce@default> <34db5ea3.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us222.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11070 >It is an all wax wire reinforced product, wired both > vertically and horizontally bound by a thin, flat metal rim . . . In the eary to mid 1980s someone in California was offering beeswax foundation that was vertically and horizontally wired, with the wires about one inch apart each way. I believe it did have a metal binding. Perhaps you have come upon some of this. It did not gain wide acceptance and I remember it being available for but a relatively brief time. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 11071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 22:17:41 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6bgjqa$in5@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6bfsut$3cb$1@usenet47.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.33.148 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11071 JP In a word ---- Mites ! Either varroa or tracheal. Both leave the hive more or less empty of bees but with plenty of food. Q - when you say they were inspected two weeks ago, does that mean that you actually opened the hive and inspected the brood nest or just a doorway inspection? Unless you actually opened the hive, the activity may have been robbing. To check for Varroa mites, take a frame that was in the center of the brood area, hold it by the bottom bar and tap the top bar on a hard surface with a piece of white paper under the frame. If there were mites, dead ones should be in the debris that you tap out of the frame. To positively identify tracheal mite requires disecting some dead bees. The honey is OK in either case except for human consumption if the colony had been medicated. Just save it for new bees in the spring. Gary gbees@worldnet.att.net supplier of equipment and bees (NY,NJ,PA,DE,MD area) JP wrote in message <6bfsut$3cb$1@usenet47.supernews.com>... > >I have two hives. On inspection today, I found all the bees dead. Less >than two weeks ago on a warm day, the hives were inspected and they looked >fine. > >The weather had been extremely warm allowing the bees to leave the hive and >then we had a cold snap. They had plenty on honey left, so it wasn't food. > >Any Ideas on what may have happened? > >Is the honey still good? > > Article 11072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: 1445@1445.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2387 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:19:59 PST Organization: 5510 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6bgjvh$fs9@chile.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.176.51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11072 Buy your veterinary products at a low cost on the internet. Free veterinary consultation availble from veterinarians that are currently practicing veterinary medicine, for more information send e-mail to equine@angelfire.com Article 11073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!203.29.160.2!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "IHUG" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beepollen Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:57:10 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6bilc2$l6o$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39-max17.auck.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11073 Hello, I asking on behalf of a friend of mine who is a professional beekeeper here in New Zealand. He likes to know more about how to collect beepollen, what materials involved, plans, good literature, websites (a search gave me over a 1000, so not sure where to start) Any help is very appriciated sincerely, Dada Article 11074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-55.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:47:06 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3389@206.103.0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11074 Hello! I've posted some historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html and links to more mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 11075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!Radio-MSU.net!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.uni-paderborn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.fishnet.com!4everyone.com From: me@4everyone.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Immature Hairless High School Pussy Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:43:18 -0700 Organization: Lines: 3 Message-ID: <070298194318@4everyone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr01-76.fishnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11075 Immature High School Hairless Pussy. Teens Getting PUNISHED by their Psycho Teacher. High School BDSM PUNISHMENT PIX!! Cum and TIE these teens up and give these INNOCENT TEENS a GREAT LICK.. http://pirate.ddns.org Article 11076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.edu.sollentuna.se!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "shaun" <shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment Wanted Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:06:56 -0000 Message-ID: <886921260.23042.0.nnrp-11.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk [194.222.11.251] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11076 I wish to start bee keeping this year. I am looking to buy equipment (national + colony, bee-suit, smoker, etc.) I live in Surrey, UK. Please contact me on:- shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk Article 11081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Roméo" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.p Subject: Re: discution Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:49:00 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34DF6BBA.4B5C1945@wanadoo.fr> References: <6b25c1$p20$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: orl2-223.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: RIVIERE didier Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:1050 alt.agriculture.beef:883 alt.agriculture.commodities:22 alt.agriculture.fruit:7442 alt.agriculture.misc:9774 alt.agriculture.technology:41 alt.sustainable.agriculture:21278 sci.agriculture:23282 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11081 sci.agriculture.fruit:1448 RIVIERE didier wrote: > je suis eleveur en france > iln'y a pas d'agriculteurs qui parle fraçais chez-vous > salut > didier Je suis aussi en France et très intérressé par les commodities... I speak french too... bien sûr Je recherche des contacts pour échanger les points de vue alors à bientot Article 11082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sue Bee Jan. Member Letter Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:33:43 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34df71b1.63919599@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.53 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11082 1998 Honey Crop Initital Advance Authorized Jan. 27, 1998 In a letter to members the Sioux Honey Association Board of Directors pass on this information for members that my give non members some idea of the value of honey at least to the 400+ producers who are members of the largest honey packing cooperative in the US. The initital advance on the 1998 crop will be $0.35 US for both Sue Bee Bottlegrade and Aunt Sue Bottlegrade honey pools. The pool #3 and Special Pool will receive $0.30 US, and the Pool #4 $0.15 US. Beeswax will bring a $1.00 initital advace. (all US coin & US weights in pounds) Sue Bee members also receive a $0.07 US per pound March 1 advance on all 1997 crop honey bringing the advances to $0.55 US for Sue Bee & Aunt Sue grades, and $0.50 US for Pool 3 and Special Pool honey. Pool #4 has returned $0.35 US and Beeswax returns so far have been $1.50 US. Members delivered 36,400,000 US pounds of honey from their 1997 crop and estamated sales to the June 30, 1998 end of fiscal year are 46,000,000 US pounds up from the 42,680,000 US pounds 1996 crop sales. The increase in sales is said to be in the lower value industural bulk markets. ttul, the OLd Drone * A cynic smells the flowers and looks for the casket. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "JP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:51:38 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6boc0s$d9o$1@usenet76.supernews.com> References: <6bfsut$3cb$1@usenet47.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 13624@208.200.158.25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11083 I had the hive inspected, it was mites. John Article 11084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mite Resistance Date: 10 Feb 1998 12:54:29 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <19980210125401.HAA12806@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6blmqn$1br@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11084 >Fluvalinate strips are available in the US -- it's called Apistan > >If your section 18 reference is refering to Miticur, it was removed from >the market after a 'bad' batch caused a bee kill - the mfg. who bought ( but >did not develop) the manufacturing rights, did not want the liability and >withdrew the product. > >Current work is with a Formic Acid delivery system. > >GBee >gbees@worldnet.att.net > > Apistan Section 18 strips were on the market in 1989, they had the registered EPA code 109302 "fluvalinate" as in 1983. Since 1989 the formula for fluvalinate has been changed. Also the plastic delivery system was also changed. The current Apistan strips now have a different formulation and different plastic. The 1989 Apistan strips were tested here in Florida by the ARS USDA research team in 10/1997, those strips killed the so-called fluvalinate resistant varroa mites very well!!!! The miticur strips have and/or had problems,, right after manufacturing the amitraz break down into three compounds, one is toxic to bees ,,one is carcinogentic,,one is not now know to cause problems. The miticur or apivar (amitraz) strips would have to have an expiration date for usage. Placed into colonies before they become to toxic to the bees. More news to come,, Sincerely,,,, David A Miksa Article 11085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <887135444@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:23:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/118 2ad02937 REPLY: 240:44/0 46692ec2 PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00015 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11085 : <> Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 10 <> I wish to start bee keeping this year. I am looking to buy <> equipment (national + colony, bee-suit, smoker, etc.) <> I live in Surrey, UK. Try E.H. Thorne (beehives LTD) Phone 01673 858555 email: thorne@dial.pipex.com Credit cards excepted for mail order We use a local Thorns agent called "Park Beekeeping Supplies" (London SE10) try then voice or fax 0181-694-9960 Regards Steve --- * Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) Article 11086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news.uunet.ca!news.auracom.net!usenet From: jlhamil@atcon.com (com) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nova Scotia Beekeepers Annual Convention Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:43 GMT Organization: Auracom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34e108c1.53444947@news.auracom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-26.ken.auracom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11086 The 1998 Annual Convention of the Nova Scotia Beekeeper Ass. will be held in Kentville NS on Feb. 20, 21. The guest speaker will be Lawrence Cutts Florida State Apiarist. Everyone is welcome. Halifax Area Lawrence will also be speaking in Bedford on Feb. 19 at the Bedford Legion at 7:30 Everyone is invited and it is hoped to provide some good discussion on honey bee mite control and good beekeeping practices in general. jh Article 11087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!thor.cmp.ilstu.edu!line8047.ras.ilstu.edu!user From: wenning@entropy.phy.ilstu.edu (Carl Wenning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Short Course Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:58:37 -0600 Organization: Illinois State University-IS/Network Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: line8047.ras.ilstu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11087 The Heart of Illinois Beekeepers' Association (HIBA) is sponsoring a one-day Bees & Beekeeping Short Course in Bloomington, Illinois, on Saturday, March 14, 1998. For a tentative agenda and a detailed outline, access the HIBA website at the following URL: http://www.phy.ilstu.edu/faculty/wenning/hiba.html -- Carl Wenning Article 11088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mite Resistance Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:43:41 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <34E1AB0D.6A31@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <6blmqn$1br@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <19980210125401.HAA12806@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.203.33.105 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11088 MiksaHF wrote: > > >Fluvalinate strips are available in the US -- it's called Apistan > > > >If your section 18 reference is refering to Miticur, it was removed from > >the market after a 'bad' batch caused a bee kill - the mfg. who bought ( but > >did not develop) the manufacturing rights, did not want the liability and > >withdrew the product. > > > >Current work is with a Formic Acid delivery system. > > Finally a reasonable explanation. I have been using Apistan strips since 1989 and have noticed the following changes : - the strips are thinner now - the plastic is more fatty - the color of the strips is darker - the old strips could be used effectively for 2 -3 years In Europe we use only two strips per hive as stated on the instruction label, so I guess you have other strips over there. Although VITA pretends that there are fluvalinate resistant varroa mites in the south of Belgium, the strips are still effective where I live (northern part of the country). (And Belgium is not that big : if you are standing in most southern point, you can throw a pie in a person's face in the northern part. ;-) Maybe they are making some room for their new product APIGUARD. Cheers, Hugo -- do bee do bee do ... Hugo Thone (VE144) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (\ ALCATEL TELECOM phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 {|||8- F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 (/ B-2018 Antwerp Article 11089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news.kddnet.ad.jp!news3.sphere.ad.jp!nspixp!nntp-egw.ocn.ad.jp!nntp-egw.ocn.ad.jp!nn-os001.ocn.ad.jp!not-for-mail From: Hajime Nomura Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCTDVCahsoSg==?=) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:18:16 +0900 Organization: NTT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34E1B328.6C1D@gold.ocn.ne.jp> Reply-To: nomu@gold.ocn.ne.jp NNTP-Posting-Host: p05-dn02yamatotaka.nara.ocn.ne.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11089 -- $B")"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f"f")(J $BLnB NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u11.wgtn.clear.net.nz X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11090 Abstract of INFO-MAC archived encoded Mac binary file 'game/com/bee-luxe-demo.hqx' Uploaded 02/06/98 1413758 bytes From: jhague@dadgum.com Subject: Bumbler Bee-Luxe 1.0.1 demo Another busy day collecting pollen and making honey when--ATTACK! Marauding insects swarm into your hive, and it's up to you to defend it from crazed bees, hornets, spiders, armored beetles, and hoards of other crawling and flying invaders. The survival of the hive is in your hands! FEATURES OF BUMBLER BEE-LUXE INCLUDE: * Over a dozen types of attacking insects, from the realistic to the outrageous: huge centipedes, moths that catch fire and burn, deadly hornets, mysterious glowing orbs, marching ants, robotic bees, and lots more. * Absolutely top-notch graphics. The visuals in Bumbler Classic drew raves, and now they're even better. * Stereo sound with real-time panning for a truly immersive experience. * Finely tuned and addictive gameplay. * Plays at a blazing 60 frames per second for silky smooth animation. * Catchy, custom-composed theme music. * Unlimited wild and varied levels, including choreographed bonus rounds and specialty swarms. * A screen-saver mode to let you show off your Mac. With version 1.0.1 performance has been improved on low-end 603-based Power Macs, some swarms have had their difficulty levels reduced, and a "crash on quit" bug that showed up on about 1 in 100 machines has been splatted. Bumbler Bee-Luxe requires a Power Macintosh. -- Remove "nospamthanks" from email address for replies Article 11091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: 10 Feb 1998 10:51:18 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bd3611$a71420a0$1864afce@default> References: <6bfsut$3cb$1@usenet47.supernews.com> <6boc0s$d9o$1@usenet76.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn92-024.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11091 Chin up! Order your packages early and this time treat'em.They should be shipped w/Apistan strips which I now poke a hole in and leave in the new colony for 4-6 weeks.Get a grease pattie recipe from one of the catalogues and after a week or so, when you go in to check the queen, put a glob on top of the frames in a place where the bees have to come in contact with it. I now carry a 2gal. bucket of grease to the yards right along with smoker, veil, etc. They're are several treatment methods for both mites but that is what I do.I only post this to try to help.Don't give up...ernie -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA JP wrote in article <6boc0s$d9o$1@usenet76.supernews.com>... > I had the hive inspected, it was mites. > > John > > > > > > Article 11092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mite Resistance Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:19:46 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6bsmji$qfu$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <34E1AB0D.6A31@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11092 From what I know about the test on V-mite resistance in Florida I believe you are closer to being right than any thing I've read. They have not given any reason old strips work and new ones did not. In fact my understanding is they were not going test against old strips, this idea came from a beekeeper that gave them the old strips to test. Article 11093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!psinntp!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Mite Resistance Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:44:26 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6bso66$188@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6blmqn$1br@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <19980210125401.HAA12806@ladder02.news.aol.com> <34E1AB0D.6A31@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.97.127 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11093 AH HA! So, was Bill Gates just standing in the pathway when this pie was thrown from south to north? Sorry, apologies. I wasn't able to restrain myself. I'm a lurker, who has never kept bees, but often thought I could. Thanks again to those persons who answered my first simplistic queries. I'm more patient now, and am rapidly learning by reading the postings in this newsgroup. Micky Nichols Eastern Kansas US rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Hugo Thone wrote: > > MiksaHF wrote: > > > > >Fluvalinate strips are available in the US -- it's called Apistan > > > > > >If your section 18 reference is refering to Miticur, it was removed from > > >the market after a 'bad' batch caused a bee kill - the mfg. who bought ( but > > >did not develop) the manufacturing rights, did not want the liability and > > >withdrew the product. > > > > > >Current work is with a Formic Acid delivery system. > > > > Finally a reasonable explanation. > > I have been using Apistan strips since 1989 and have noticed the > following changes : > > - the strips are thinner now > - the plastic is more fatty > - the color of the strips is darker > - the old strips could be used effectively for 2 -3 years > > In Europe we use only two strips per hive as stated on the instruction > label, so I guess you have other strips over there. > > Although VITA pretends that there are fluvalinate resistant varroa mites > in the south of Belgium, the strips are still effective where I live > (northern part of the country). (And Belgium is not that big : if you > are standing in most southern point, you can throw a pie in a person's > face in the northern part. ;-) > Maybe they are making some room for their new product APIGUARD. > > Cheers, > Hugo > > -- > do bee do bee do ... Hugo Thone (VE144) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be > (\ ALCATEL TELECOM phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 > {|||8- F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 > (/ B-2018 Antwerp Article 11094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Beekeeping Merit Badge X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:54:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.56 Message-ID: <34e26500.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11094 Yeah, I know..it's no longer around. Well, APPARENTLY it can still be awarded. Two very responsible youngsters in my area have approached me with thier parent's and scoutmaster's blessing. NOW my problem. Anyone have the requirements for this badge? :) In the interests of providing our youths with wholesome activities I'd even consider paying for the documents...and any advice would be cheerfully accepted ( maybe discarded, but accepted :) ) Article 11095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!ppp-75-10.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keep Feeding? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:55:29 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-75-10.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11095 Its still theoretically mid winter here, but the days are warm, and there are cleansing flights going on regularly on the warmest of these. I have one " hobby" hive. I put a feeder on the inside cover to see if they were interested in sugar water. Well they took a quart down in two days. There still seems to be some decent weight in the hive, but needless to say no wheres near what it weighed in the fall. Should I keep feeding the syrup as long as they take it.. or will this stimulate them too much? -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- April 1993- November 15, 1997 Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 11096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34E0BE8C.54C0BDBC@imap4.orem.novell.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:54:38 -0700 From: Chuck Irwin Reply-To: cirwin@novell.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Red Man tobacco in smoker? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cirwin_pc.orem.novell.com Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gronk.provo.novell.com!cirwin_pc.orem.novell.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11096 I was just talking to an old time beekeeper. He swore that the best material to use in a smoker was Red Man tobacco, which he had been using for 20+ years. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. Chuck Irwin cirwin@novell.com Article 11097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jan Honey Market USA Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:58:14 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34e3603c.3560005@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.25 Lines: 114 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11097 NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS NO: I U. S. DEPARTENT OF AGRICULTURE Feburary 6, 1998 AGRICILTURAL MARKETING SERVICE FRUIT AND VEGEGTABLE DIVISION 2015 SOUTH I ST STREET - RM 4 YAKimA, WA 98903-22-31 PHONE: (500) 575-2494 US HONEY MARKET FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, 1998 IN VOLUMES OF 10,000 POUNDS OR GREATER Prices paid to beekeepers for extracted, unprocessed honey in major producing states by packers, handlers and other large users, cents per pound, f. o. b. or delivered nearby, containers exchanged or returned, prompt delivery and payment unless otherwise stated. ARKANSAS - Soybean, extra light amber, 67cents CALIFORNIA - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 63 cents - Clover, white, 80 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, x 60 - 63 cents - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 55 - 60 - Orange, white, 80 cents - Sage, white, 72 - 80 cents COLORADO - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 71 cents FLORIDA - Brazilian Pepper, light amber, 60 cents - Brazilian Pepper, amber (non-table), 62 cents - Saw Palmetto, extra light amber, 78 cents . Saw Palmetto, light amber, 75 cents IDAHO - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 70 cents - Alfalfa, light amber, 67 cents - Clover, white, 76 cents INDIANA - Fall Wildflowers, dark amber, 83 cents - Wildflowers, medium amber, 84 cents LOUISIANA - Chinese Tallow, light amber, 60 cents MICHIGAN - Blueberry Blossom, medium amber, 80 cents - Knapweed, light amber, 80 cents - Spring Blossom, medium amber, 80 cents MINNESOTA - Clover, white, 70 cents MONTANA - Alfalfa, white, 72 - 74 cents - Clover, white, 68 - 75 cents NEBRASKA - Clover, white, 68 - 82 cents N. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 68 - 73 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 63 cents OREGON - Blackberry, extra light amber, 70 cents - Clover, extra white, 73 cents S. DAKOTA - Buckwheat, amber & dark amber, 70 - 85 cents - Clover, white, 68 - 70 cents - Clover, light amber, 85 cents WASHINGTON - Clover, white, 68 cents (small lot) - Clover, amber, 55 cents (small lot) - Snowberry, white, 70 cents Prices paid to Canadian beekeepers for unprocessed bulk honey by packers and importers in U.S. currency, F.O.B. shipping point, containers included unless otherwise stated. Duty and crossing charges extra. Cents per pound. MANITOBA - Floral source unknown, extra light amber, 75 cents ONTARIO - Clover, white, 74 1/2cents Prices paid to importers for bulk honey, duty paid, containers included, cents per pound ex-dock or point of entry unless otherwise stated. EAST COAST ARGENTINA - Clover/Alfalfa, white, 67 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra white, 64 cents - Mixed Flowers, white, 61 - 64 1/4 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 61- 64 1/4 cents - Mixed Flowers, fight amber, 60 3/4 - 61 3/4 cents - Mixed Flowers, amber, 60 3/4 cents VIETNAM - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 61 cents CALIFORNIA BEESWAX MARKET SITUATION --- JANUARY, 1998 (unbleached, raw beeswax, delivered to handiers's warehouse) The wax market was extremely slow during January as beekeepers were busy checking bees, adding additional feed and getting them ready to go into Almonds. Handlers were not anxious to purchase any large quantities anyway, as demand for finished products was also very light. Prices being offered to producers were about steady for both light colored and dark colored wax. Prices in California for light wax ranged from $1.65 - 1.80. Dark colored wax was being purchased at $1.55 - 1.60 per pound. REPRINTED WITHOUT PERMISSION USE AT OWN RISK (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!host5-99-61-250.btinternet.com!user From: "Richard Wiltshire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Horses Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:12:19 +0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-61-250.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11098 I would grateful for advice from anyone who has experience of keeping bees near horses. We have a proposal to consider for an apiary of eight hives to be built within some 200 meters of a riding establishment. The two uses will be separated by tree screen and hedges. A water collecting point will be available to the apiary. Richard Wiltshire Chair: QED Allotments Dartford Article 11099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:18:45 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6c0033$in7@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.32.163 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11099 When my horse get out, I usually find him in the apiary enjoying the grass. I know that he has gotten stung because I've seen him flinch but he has never had any reaction. The important point I guess is that he is not attacked and I usually have between 100 and 150 colonies in that apiary so there is plenty of opportunity. Gary Bradshaw gbees@worldnet.att.net Richard Wiltshire wrote in message ... > > >I would grateful for advice from anyone who has experience of keeping bees >near horses. We have a proposal to consider for an apiary of eight hives to >be built within some 200 meters of a riding establishment. The two uses >will be separated by tree screen and hedges. A water collecting point will >be available to the apiary. > >Richard Wiltshire >Chair: QED Allotments >Dartford Article 11100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep Feeding? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:31:10 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 70 Message-ID: <6c00qf$mvi@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.32.163 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11100 I'm not sure where 'here' is but we are experiencing the same situation in New Jersey. Feeding, especially liquid, has a couple of problems. First it will stimulate brood rearing which will compound the problem so that once you start feeding you cannot stop. It is one of those geometric situations. The bigger problem, at least in our area which is humid, is that feeding liquid puts water into the hive which the bees will have to deal with in their diet. If they become confined for an extended period, that high water diet could result in dysentry. If feed you must because the colony is truely short of food, then it would be best to use 'candied' sugar or dry granular sugar. Candy can be put directly on the top bars and for dry sugar you can put a piece of newspaper on the top bars and the sugar on the paper, but don't occlude the top entrance. Gary Bradshaw gbees__@__worldnet.att.net (remove __'s) Ira Seskin wrote in message ... >Its still theoretically mid winter here, but the days are warm, and there >are cleansing flights going on regularly on the warmest of these. I have >one " hobby" hive. I put a feeder on the inside cover to see if they were >interested in sugar water. Well they took a quart down in two days. There >still seems to be some decent weight in the hive, but needless to say no >wheres near what it weighed in the fall. Should I keep feeding the syrup >as long as they take it.. or will this stimulate them too much? > > > >-I- > >-- > _ > /_/_ .'''. > =O(_)))) ...' `. > \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz > `..' > > /| __ > / | ,-~ / > Y :| // / > | jj /( .^ > >-"~"-v" > / Y > jo o | > ( ~T~ j > >._-' _./ > / "~" | I AM HAVING A > Y _, | BAD > /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY > / l/ ,-"~ \ > \//\/ .- \ > Y / Y* > l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ > (" ~----( ~ Y. ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- > April 1993- November 15, 1997 > > Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments > iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments > > > "Live Free or Die" > > > > Article 11101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.59.190.100!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep Feeding? Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:19:23 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bd37a7$52459580$0764afce@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn92-007.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11101 Hello Ira, I only feed syrup in early spring if I want to split the colonies and feed dry sugar for starvation prevention.You didn't say where you are but here spring starts as soon as the days lengthen as far as the bees are concerned.Syrup will "blow 'em up" as long as they have pollen.Hope this helps. -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA > Its still theoretically mid winter here, but the days are warm, and there > are cleansing flights going on regularly on the warmest of these. I have Article 11102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.6.107.173!tuco.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to raise varroa Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:50:31 -0500 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34E3A6E7.4832@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d24.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 13 Feb 1998 01:55:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11102 Hi. I think I will give up with bees and try to raise varroa. Can they be made to produce honey? Regards, Marc Article 11103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to raise varroa Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:21:04 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34e4bb13.26818106@news.jps.net> References: <34E3A6E7.4832@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.20 Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11103 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:50:31 -0500, Marc Andelman I know you are kidding but if you can rear then in quantity outside of the bee hive you should give up bees! I would guess world wide in the last 25 years a million $$ has been spent trying to rear them outside the bee hive with less then commercial success. wrote: >Hi. I think I will give up with bees and try >to raise varroa. Can they be made to produce >honey? > >Regards, >Marc (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.12!news2.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: pyramid@epix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vitex Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:02:38 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34E2745E.51F7@epix.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd-75ppp105.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11104 I am looking for a source for vitex seed or plants. I tried to grow it several years ago without success but would like to tryk it again this year. Thank you. Burns Article 11105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:03:22 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:15312 sci.agriculture:23475 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11105 sci.agriculture.poultry:4520 sci.agriculture.fruit:1460 sci.med.nutrition:85704 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. 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Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kenafman@aol.com (Kenafman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kenaf Conference Date: 13 Feb 1998 18:45:41 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <19980213184500.NAA17322@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11107 The American Kenaf Society (AKS), a nonprofit 501(c)(3), will hold its first annual conference, February 26 - 27, 1998, at the Menger Hotel (across the street from the Alamo) in San Antonio, Texas. The AKS is a membership organization formed to; 1) Provide a mechanism for communication concerning common needs and interests in kenaf research, production, product development, and marketing. 2) Facilitate continued development of the kenaf industry. 3) Provide in cooperation with other organizations and institutions effective distribution of educational and scientific information on kenaf to all interested parties. AKS members include federal, state and academic organization's researchers and scientists, agricultural interests, nonprofit organizations, entreprenuers and other interested parties. Kenaf is an emerging fiber crop under research and development for commercial products. It offers economic, performance and environmental advantages compared to traditional raw materials. For conference registration information contact Dr. Morris Bitzer, University of Kentucky, phone (606) 257-3975, fax (606) 257-2185, e-mail mbitzer@ca.uky.edu. The Menger Hotel, (800) 345-9285, is offering special rates of $79 and $89 for AKS attendees. Article 11108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to raise varroa Date: 13 Feb 1998 10:53:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd386d$20fbb740$1261afce@default> References: <34E3A6E7.4832@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn86-018.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11108 Hello Mark, If you need any pointers about which "medication" best raises varroa, let me know! -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA Marc Andelman wrote in article <34E3A6E7.4832@ultranet.com>... > Hi. I think I will give up with bees and try > to raise varroa. Can they be made to produce > honey? > > Regards, > Marc > Article 11109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep Feeding? Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:10:21 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bd386f$9b7b0d20$1261afce@default> References: <6c00qf$mvi@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn86-018.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11109 Hello, I use plastic divsion board feeders right next to the cluster with good results. They hold a 5 lb. bag of sugar just right. I also wet the sugar with 1/2 cup of water or so to keep the bees from carying it out of the hive until the humidity solidifys it. Eight feeders fit nicely in a deep super, can be prepared in advance, and I keep them on the truck all fall and in the spring until the bees are "out of the woods".Hope this helps. > Candy can be put directly on the top bars and for dry sugar > you can put a piece of newspaper on the top bars and the sugar on the paper, > but don't occlude the top entrance. Article 11110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom Fitzpatrick" Subject: old style Beehives Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:42:39 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11110 Looking for pictures of old style beehives, the one I'm looking for had a bigger brood chamber and I think it was insulated ?? Tom tomfitz@ncp.net Article 11111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vitex Date: 14 Feb 1998 00:38:24 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980214003801.TAA04913@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34E2745E.51F7@epix.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11111 Hello. What IS Vitex??? Article 11112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Red Man tobacco in smoker? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34E0BE8C.54C0BDBC@imap4.orem.novell.com> Organization: LIFT, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd38e3$f3bb1e20$7310bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:03:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs8-03.eph.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:03:18 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11112 Just remember, nicotine is an insecticide. 'Course, who am I to argue with an oldtimer? Still, I wouldn't use it. Chuck Irwin wrote in article <34E0BE8C.54C0BDBC@imap4.orem.novell.com>... > I was just talking to an old time beekeeper. He swore that the best > material to use in a smoker was Red Man tobacco, which he had been using > for 20+ years. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. > > Chuck Irwin > cirwin@novell.com > > Article 11113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver1@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vitex Date: 14 Feb 1998 05:20:26 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6c39iq$c3t$1@usenet85.supernews.com> References: <34E2745E.51F7@epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12413@209.42.130.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11113 In article <34E2745E.51F7@epix.net>, pyramid@epix.net says... > >I am looking for a source for vitex seed or plants. I tried to grow it >several years ago without success but would like to tryk it again this >year. > >Thank you. > >Burns > > > You can order the seeds ($2.00 per pack)or plants ($5.00 per plant) from Companion Plants, 7247 North Coolville Ridge Road, Athens, Ohio, 45701. Phone number is (614) 592-4643. Web site is www.frognet.net/companion_plants/index.html. This is an on line catalog, but you have to place orders by phone. For those wanting to know more about this herb, read this month's issue (Feb 1998) of "Bee Culture". Mailbox article, page 9, first letter to the magazine. Article 11114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp2.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bGrandt@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:38:25 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6c4ha1$suk$1@nnrp2.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iw9.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Feb 14 16:38:25 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 195.232.57.156 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11114 In article , "Richard Wiltshire" wrote: > > > I would grateful for advice from anyone who has experience of keeping bees > near horses. We have a proposal to consider for an apiary of eight hives to > be built within some 200 meters of a riding establishment. The two uses > will be separated by tree screen and hedges. A water collecting point will > be available to the apiary. > > Richard Wiltshire > Chair: QED Allotments > Dartford > hi, 200 meters are a repectable distance. We keep bees 150 meteres off a sheep meadow ground but build around the hives a barrier so the bees have to flight off high . Günter Grandt beekeeper in Germany -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.59.190.100!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vitex Date: 14 Feb 1998 09:48:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bd392d$94744000$cc67afce@default> References: <34E2745E.51F7@epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn99-204.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11115 I found some at a nursery two years ago, they are popular landscape plants around here. -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA Article 11116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!darla.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nac!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wanted: Beekeeping Equipment Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:18:44 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34E65084.6463@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3-eug3-15.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11116 Hello, I'm a beekeeper in the Eugene, Oregon, area looking to expand my operation. If you know of any equipment that is free or cheap, please let me know. Thanks, Paul Article 11117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: luke49133@aol.com (Luke49133) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Press Date: 15 Feb 1998 03:10:37 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19980215031001.WAA11210@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11117 I need to get a wax press for my bro who is beekeeping in Mexico. I am pretty sure I can get on from Thorne, however, I have a couple of questions. One, where can I find some documents describing what exactly a wax press is and two, why are wax pressed so difficult to find? I would think that a wax press would be a fairly handy tool. Anyways, any info would be very much appreciated. BTW, if you want to talk bees with my bro -- you might be able to contact him at Tluke2300@aol.com. Tell him I sent you. My brother, todd, is working with africanized bees, and he is doing quite well, but he is a relative novice. So, I am sure he would love to get some feedback from any of you bee-keeping folks. Thanks, Scott Article 11118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Merit Badge Date: 15 Feb 1998 07:41:19 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19980215074101.CAA04431@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34e26500.0@news3.paonline.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11118 Areal good guess would be to look in the public liabraries. If that doesnt work try the thrift shops. Last but not least , maybe a good used book store. Article 11119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination,Washington cranberries and other Date: 15 Feb 1998 07:53:12 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980215075301.CAA16095@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11119 How would I go about finding out how to get pollination contracts for cranberrries, what is the going rate for this and other pollination jobs in washington state . I am trying to find out wheather it would be feasable to do or just "stick to honey".(ha,ha) Article 11120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: D.E. Hive??? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:27:31 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6c74v8$ndu$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <19980209011200.UAA13779@ladder03.news.aol.com> <34E6F338.CDE@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp43.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11120 In article <34E6F338.CDE@sympatico.ca>, lacelle@sympatico.ca wrote: >Red shrike wrote: >> > I am going to be starting a new Hive this spring. I found a different kind of >> hive on the web and was wondering if anyone had any experience with this > type.>> It is called a D.E. Hive as seen at this address: I would try the top bar hive instead if I were you. Here is Jim Satterfield's home page with all the details: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Article 11121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Lacelle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: D.E. Hive??? Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:52:57 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34E6F338.CDE@sympatico.ca> References: <19980209011200.UAA13779@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: lacelle@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.228.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 887550846 7631 (None) 206.172.228.164 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) To: Red shrike Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11121 Red shrike wrote: > > Hello, > > I am going to be starting a new Hive this spring. I found a different kind of > hive on the web and was wondering if anyone had any experience with this type. > It is called a D.E. Hive as seen at this address: > > http://www.muskoka.net/%7Ebeeworks/web3.html > > Could anyone disscuss this hive and weather or not it is a good idea to start > out a new hive in this type? It sounds like it could be very useful. I could > really use some help. As a begining Beekeeper I am anxious to do the best > starting out and could use some advice. I thank you all in advance for any Inof > you could send my way. Post responses here or Email me with any info you can at > Redshrike@aol.com > > Thank You. The experience I've had with D&E hive was quite favourable.Although I've only had it for one year it did increase my harvest of honey.The whole secret of it is the ventilation it provides to the hive.I would recommend it. Article 11122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34E7557C.EC43D839@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:52:12 -0800 From: Curtis Mace X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Trickle feeding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp42-moses.qwksilvr.com Lines: 6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.8.131.83!concord!ppp42-moses.qwksilvr.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11122 Looking for info as to whether Bees will actually bring in Lots of feed out of a trickle type feed system if they are extremely light. Anyone experimented with this? I know it is a great way to stimulate the Queen to lay, but am curious as to any studies done as to their ability to take it in quickly if needed. Article 11123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Merit Badge Date: 15 Feb 1998 20:48:34 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6c7kb2$1qe6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <34e26500.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-22.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11123 Mushroom wrote in message <34e26500.0@news3.paonline.com>... > NOW my problem. Anyone have the requirements for this badge? :) > Just happen to still have my laminated copy of the requirements in my wallet. Here they are. "1. Study a hive of bees. Remove the combs. Find the queen. Figure the amount of the brood, number of queen cells. Figure the amount of honey in the hive. 2. Show the differences among the drones, workers, eggs, larvae, and pupae at different stages. Tell the differences among honey, wax, pollen, and propolis. Tell how bees make honey. Tell where wax comes from. Explain the part played in the life of the hive by the queen, the drones, and the workers. 3. Hive a swarm or divide at least one colony. Explain how a hive is made. 4. Put foundations in sections or frames. Fill supers with frames or sections. Take off filled supers from the hive. Fix the honey for market. 5. Write in not more than 200 words how and why the honeybee is used in pollinating farm crops. Name five crops in your area pollinated by honeybees." Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 11124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news From: dbco@sk.sympatico.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stored boxes Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:01:10 -0600 Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34E74986.ACAF104F@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: avia26.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11124 Hi! I am new to beekeeping and this newsgroup. I have a question ....has anyone had any experience with using brood and/or honey supers that have been in storage for a time (5-7 years)? Another way of stating the question would be...what are the ramifications of using dried out, but otherwise good, foundation - for brood chambers, - for supers? (These would be intended fo use with new package bees.) Please email me with any helpful feedback. Article 11125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!dragon.sk.sympatico.ca!news From: Dean Strand Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stored boxes Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:36:19 -0600 Organization: SaskTel - Sympatico Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34E751C3.25763DC2@sk.sympatico.ca> References: <34E74986.ACAF104F@sk.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: avia26.sk.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11125 Sorry, in my last post it should have said "dried out drawn comb" not foundation. dbco@sk.sympatico.ca wrote: > Hi! I am new to beekeeping and this newsgroup. > I have a question ....has anyone had any experience with using brood > and/or honey supers that have been in storage for a time (5-7 years)? > Another way of stating the question would be...what are the > ramifications of using dried out, but otherwise good, foundation - for > brood chambers, - for supers? (These would be intended fo use with new > package bees.) > Please email me with any helpful feedback. Article 11126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollination,Washington cranberries and other Date: 15 Feb 1998 21:18:40 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19980215211800.QAA23228@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980215075301.CAA16095@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11126 Before you consider pollinating cranberries, you should read my Open Letter to Cranberry Growers on the BEETOOLS WWW site at http://members.aol.com/beetools - this is a very tough crop on the bees to pollinate. There is also a paper at that site from Oregon State Univeristy on cranberry pollination. I made a presentation to the OceanSpray growers in Bandon OR last month on this subject and what I told them in a nutshell is that the going rate this year of $40-50 per set is at the break even point when all things are considered. They will find a few beekeepers in Claifornia nd Washington that have never done cranberries who will rent for $25-35, but won't be back the next year. I also told them that they need to be prepared to pay in the $75-90 range in the future which is what cranberry grower in the Mid-west, East Coast and Canada are paying. If I can be of any further help, let me know. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee PS you might try to trackdown Kim Patten at WSU Long Beach Extension. Article 11127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stored boxes Date: 15 Feb 1998 21:20:37 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19980215212000.QAA23565@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34E751C3.25763DC2@sk.sympatico.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11127 Should work just fine, but be on the lookout for signs of AFB and treat with terramycin in powered sugar. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 11128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: kanous@pilot.msu.edu (Nathan L. Kanous II) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeyhouse Equipement Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:19:59 GMT Organization: Ferris State University College of Pharmacy Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34e75b5c.855424@news.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm325-11.dialip.mich.net X-AUTHid: kanous X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-MD5: 1c4857bea26bd466a147bb22a6be463a Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11128 My Father-in law is taking the next step. He is looking for equipment to finish his honey house. Looking for extractors (20 frames or larger), cappers, pumps, settling tanks, anything and everything for approximately 500 hives. He lives in the Swartz Creek Michigan area. Private e-mail would be fine. Thanks. Nathan in Frankenmuth MI Article 11129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Lacelle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding... Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:20:04 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: lacelle@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.244.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 887577674 17408 (None) 206.172.244.85 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11129 I feel that one my hives may be running out of food.Any suggestions as to what to do?I heard if you give to much syrup water the bees will get diarhea,and get very sick. Article 11130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey/Pecan Pie Recipes here Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:34:45 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 146 Message-ID: <1F7EAEAD62E95520.5CE5B3937C8A6CE5.247560EC572243B5@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6c7sgq$kh7@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Feb 15 17:08:11 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-18.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11130 I'm posting six pecan pie recipes which use HONEY. These were provided to me via e-mail by a friend and just thought I'd share with the group. All recipes are in U.S. measures. Enjoy ! HONEY CRANBERRY PECAN PIE 2 c. fresh or frozen cranberries 1 c. orange juice 1/2 c. honey 2 tbs. cornstarch 2 tbs. cold water 1/2 tsp. orange extract 1 baked 9-inch pie shell with fluted rim Pecan Topping (recipe below) Combine cranberries, juice and honey in medium saucepan. Cook, covered, over low heat 15 minutes if using fresh cranberries or 20 minutes if using frozen berries. Cool. Puree cranberry mixture in blender; return to saucepan. Combine cornstarch and water in cup. Stir into cranberry mixture. Bring mixture to a boil over high heat and cook until thickened. Stir in orange extract. Cool, then pour into pie shell. Spoon Pecan Topping evenly over cranberry mixture. Bake in preheated 350 degree oven 20 minutes or until top is bubbly. Cool on wire rack. Serve at room temperature or chilled. Pecan Topping (for recipe above) 1/2 c. honey 3 tbs. butter or margarine 1 3/4 c. pecan halves Combine honey and butter in medium saucepan. Cook and stir over medium heat 2 minutes or until mixture is smooth. Add pecan halves and stir until well coated. HONEY CRUNCH PECAN PIE Crust: 1 1/3 cups all-purpose flour 1/2 tsp. salt 1/2 cup butter-flavored vegetable shortening 3 - 4 tbs. cold water Pecan filling: 4 eggs, slightly beaten 1/4 c. brown sugar, packed 1/4 c. granulated sugar 1/2 c. white corn syrup 1/2 c. honey 1/2 tsp. salt 1 tsp. vanilla 1 tbs. burbon 2 tbs. butter, melted 1 c. chopped pecans Crunch topping: 1/3 c. brown sugar, packed 3 tbs. butter 3 tbs. honey 1 1/2 c. pecan halves Preheat oven to 350 degrees. For crust: Combine flour and salt in a mixing bowl. Cut in shortening with a pastry blender or two knives until mixture is uniform. Sprinkle in water, one tablespoon at a time until dough begins to form a ball. On a lightly floured surface, roll crust into a circle 1/8 inches Thick and 1 1/2 inches larger than inverted pie plate. Gently ease dough into 9-inch pie plate, being careful not to stretch the dough. Fold pastry edge under to make double thickness around rim. Flute as desired. For the filling: Combine eggs, sugars, syrup, honey, salt, vanilla extract, burbon and melted butter. Mix well. Fold in chopped pecans and spoon filling into unbaked pastry shell. Bake at 350 degrees for 50 - 55 minutes. During the last 30 minutes of baking, cover the edge of the pastry shell with foil to prevent over browning. For crunch topping: Combine sugar, honey and butter in a medium saucepan. Cook over medium heat until sugar dissolves - about 2 to 3 minutes. Stir constantly. Add pecan halves. Stir until pecans are well-coated. During the last 10 minutes of baking, remove pie from oven and spread the crunch topping over top. Return the pie to the oven and bake for 10 - 12 minutes or until topping is bubbly and brown. MODERN PECAN PIE 1 c. honey one 3 3/4 oz. pkg. vanilla instant pudding mix 3/4 c. evaporated milk 1/4 tsp. salt 3 eggs, slightly beaten 1 c. coarsely broken pecans 1 unbaked 9-in. pie shell Pour honey into mix in a fine stream, blending well. Add milk, salt and eggs gradually; stir until well blended. Fold in pecans. Pour into pie shell. Bake at 375 degrees for about 55 minutes or until knife inserted in centerr comes out clean. Yield: 8 servings HONEY PECAN PIE (1) 3 eggs 1 c. honey 1 tsp. vanilla extract l tsp. melted butter, cooled 1/4 tsp. salt 1 c. coarsely chopped pecans 1 unbaked pie shell, chilled Beat eggs until foamy. Continue beating while adding honey in a fine stream. Beat in vanilla, butter and salt. Add pecans. Pour into pie shell. Bake in a 400-degree oven for the first 10 minutes. Reduce oven temperature to 300 degrees; bake for 20 minutes longer. Reduce oven temperature to 250 degrees; bake for 10 minutes longer or until filling is firm. HONEY PECAN PIE (2) 2 eggs 1/2 cup sugar 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup corn syrup 1/8 tsp. salt 1 tsp. vanilla 2 tbs. butter 1 cup pecans Beat eggs. Add sugar, honey, syrup, salt and vanilla. Add butter. Stir in pecans. Pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake at 350 degree oven for 50 - 60 minutes HONEY PECAN PIE (3) 1 c. honey 3 eggs, beaten 3 tbs. butter 1 tsp. vanilla 1 c. chopped pecans Dash nutmeg 1 9-inch pie shell, unbaked In a saucepan, bring honey to a boil. Beat eggs into honey. Add butter, vanilla, pecans and nutmeg. Pour into pie shell and bake at 325 degrees for 25 minutes or until filling is set. Article 11131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!nntp.texas.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding... Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:55:35 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <968869679F1B2AF9.CE81E9F3FE04F82A.663BD5432530EF09@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6c7tnk$kh7@library.airnews.net> References: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Feb 15 17:28:53 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal20-18.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11131 Paul Lacelle wrote: >I feel that one my hives may be running out of food.Any suggestions as >to what to do?I heard if you give to much syrup water the bees will get >diarhea,and get very sick. Paul, I see you're in Canada so I'm not sure about your temperatures up there, but if you have a few days where it gets warm enough for the bees to break cluster, you can feed them table sugar. Obviously, this isn't the best situtation to have at this time of year but if it's an emergency this might see them through the winter. They need access to the dry sugar (like placing it on top bars or the inside cover). The sugar syrup you mentioned will work too. Again, if it gets warm enough to allow the bees to take 'cleansing' flights, you won't have any trouble. In short, if you're truly concerned about them starving you can try anything to give them access to honey or sugar. If you have more than one hive, check the other(s) and see if they have any surplus frames of honey. If so, by all means, take a few frames from the stonger hives and swap with the light hive. This is the best solution to your problem if it's available to you. BK Dallas, TX Article 11132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.eerie.fr!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!infonie.fr!not-for-mail From: "Vos nom et prénom" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.commodities,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.p Subject: Re: discution Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:41:06 +0100 Organization: INFONIE Lines: 16 Message-ID: <887510773.917075@si2-paris> References: <6b25c1$p20$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> <01bd322a$c9d5f720$2011fcc1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Cache-Post-Path: si2-paris!unknown@195.101.4.153 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:1076 alt.agriculture.beef:905 alt.agriculture.commodities:23 alt.agriculture.fruit:7503 alt.agriculture.misc:9809 alt.agriculture.technology:46 alt.sustainable.agriculture:21297 sci.agriculture:23618 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11132 sci.agriculture.fruit:1470 Bonjour robert ROBERT LECCA a écrit dans le message <01bd322a$c9d5f720$2011fcc1@default>... > > >RIVIERE didier a écrit dans l'article ><6b25c1$p20$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr>... >> je suis eleveur en france >> iln'y a pas d'agriculteurs qui parle fraçais chez-vous >> salut >> didier >> tu peuts parler avec bob >Robert.Lecca@wanadoo.FR >> >> Article 11133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.60.0.212!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "John J. Kriz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: St Modomnoc Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:28:19 -0500 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34E77A13.4226@snet.net> Reply-To: john.kriz@snet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: smfr01-sh4-port226.snet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SNET (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11133 This ancient Irish Saint (13 February is his day) is credited with introducing bees to Ireland (Hibernia). He's the patron saint of beekeepers. Article 11134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp2.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Greek beekeepers & greek queen breeders Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:31:19 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6c9m47$m42$1@nnrp2.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw9.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 16 15:31:19 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 200.16.128.44 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11134 I would like to get in touch with beekeepers and/or queen breeders located in Greece. If you know someone, but he/she doesn't have an email address, please provide his/her snail mail address as well as his/her phone/fax number. Thanks. Martin Braunstein -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "David Morgan Thomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OXALIC ACID AGAINST VARROA Date: 16 Feb 1998 10:41:26 GMT Lines: 116 Message-ID: <01bd3ac7$0a4467c0$a292efc2@penty> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp34.faa.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11135 I have again good success in treating with Oxalic. The text here, should , I hope be of interest. Dafydd_Myrddin@usa.net VARROA TREATMENT with 3% Oxalic acid solution. Preparation Oxalic acid crystals or powder. 30 grams = 1 oz. Water ( de-mineralised is best but tap water will do). 1000 ml = 1 litre. Add crystals to water and shake until all is dissolved. Hard water will cause a light milkiness due to precipitation of very insoluble calcium oxalate. This effect can be ignored for the purposes of treating bees for varroa. Fill in a bottle and mark the solution as:- 3% Oxalic acid. R 25 Toxic if swallowed. R 21 Harmful in contact with skin. R 36 Irritating to eyes. Mark with a skull and crossbones and the Symbol T. Refer to the Safety Data sheet for oxalic acid attached below. But do not worry as reasonable care will prevent any danger. You will have to drink about sherry glass (50 ml.) of the liquid in order to be lethally at risk. It tastes absolutely insufferably bitter so it is very unlikely that one can ingest sufficient dose to be in danger without observing very definite distaste. Rhubarb and spinach contain appreciable amounts of oxalic acid. The oxalic acid can be neutralised with an antidote which is a 5% solution of calcium chloride. The antidote precipitates the oxalic acid as insoluble calcium oxalate which then cannot be absorbed in the alimentary tract. Observe the following R-Ratings and S-Provisions. R 25 Toxic if swallowed. Antidote 5% calcium chloride to be swallowed immediately after ingesting. R 21 Harmful in contact with skin. R 36 Irritating to eyes. S 13 Keep away from food, drink and animal feeding stuffs. S 20 When using do not eat or drink. S 24 Avoid contact with skin. S 25 Avoid contact with eyes. S 26 In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. S 27 Take off immediately all contaminated clothing. S 28 After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of water. S 36 Wear suitable protective clothing. S 39 Wear eye/face protection. S 42 During fumigation/spraying wear suitable respiratory equipment. S 45 In case of accident or if you feel unwell, seek medical advice (show the label where possible). Toxic substances /T+, T, Xn/ Legislation applying to chemicals distinguishes three categories of toxicants: •- highly toxic substances (R 26 - R 28), danger symbol T+, •- toxic substances (R 23 - R 25), danger symbol T, •- less toxic substances (R 20 R 22), danger symbol Xn,. Highly toxic substances are those which can cause grave acute or chronic health damage or death almost immediately if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin in small amounts. Toxic substances are those which can cause considerable acute or chronic health damage or death if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin in small amounts. Less toxic substances (noxious substances) are those which can cause restricted health damage if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin. A dilute solution of oxalic acid can be so dilute as to demand just Xn-Harmful markings. The solution used is dilute but it is preferred to label it a class above as T marked, in view of the toxicity of the pure substance. Application Use in the early spring or the late autumn when there is no brood which can be exposed to the liquid. Spray as finely as possible from a hand held spray 5- 8 ml on each frame surface. Ensure that all bees are exposed and that no frame side is left out. The outside temperature should be at least 10 degrees but high temperatures should be avoided so that all bees are home while the treatment is given. All bees should be treated. i.e. all bees in all the hives in the immediate vicinity. The efficiency of this method is very high and results in varroa mortality of around 99%. There is a very limited danger of reintroduction when treatment is done at the final visit before wintering the bees. Radecki has measured the remnance of oxalic acid in the honey from 12 treated families The remnance in all 12 cases of oxalic acid in honey is extremely low and under the limits of detection of 25 mg per Kg honey. The acid is insoluble in wax and cannot be detected in wax. This treatment is a very good backup for formic acid treatment which is carried out after the last honey has been removed. Our local Association in Denmark has a varroa treatment day in week 32. where 65% formic acid is used on so-called Krämer sheets. This is the first week in August because our main flow is over at the end of July. Article 11136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.pt.lu!news From: Roger Damme Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Hampshire (UK) beekeepers out there? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:26:29 +0100 Organization: Banque Générale du Luxembourg Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34E81455.42B4@bgl.lu> Reply-To: Roger.Damme@bgl.lu NNTP-Posting-Host: fw.bgl.lu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11136 Hello, I am a beekeeper in Luxembourg, Europe. I began beekeeping only in 1997 and have actually 5 Dadant-Blatt hives. By the end of march 1998, I will spend a week in IBMs Hursley Park laboratories (located somewhere between Winchester and Southampton) in order to participate in some computer trainig session. Are there any beekeeperes in that area? If I have some time left one afternoon I would like to learn something about Hampshire beekeeping. Thanks, Roger (For those of you who don't know anything about the little country of Luxembourg, start visiting http://www.restena.lu/luxembourg/lux_welcome.html) -- BANQUE GENERALE DU LUXEMBOURG e-mail: Roger.Damme@bgl.lu Phone: (352) 4242.4324 Fax: (352) 4242.3647 Article 11137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: info about BRUSH UNCAPPER Date: 17 Feb 1998 07:38:30 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6cc0c6$aad@titan.oit.unc.edu> Reply-To: plant@alkor.ru NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Summary: from a beekeeper in Russia, forwarded to the newsgroup Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11137 From plant@mailbox.alkor.ru Tue Feb 17 07:34:52 1998 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:08:18 +0300 From: plant@mailbox.alkor.ru To: adamf@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: BRUSH UNCAPPER Dear friends I am Russian farmer looking for info about BRUSH UNCAPPER. Please let me know who munufactures it. Thnks a lot. Alexander Gavrilov -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.integrityonline.com!208.213.212.69 From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Metro Atlanta Beekeepers Date: 17 Feb 98 17:50:08 GMT Organization: RAINet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd3be2$e9a69ca0$45d4d5d0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.integrityonline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11138 Attention Atlanta Georgia Beekeepers. wanabee beekeepers, and ustahavebeekeepers The Metro Atlanta Beekeeping Association home page is up and running. For directions, information and upcoming events see our crude but better than nothing home page at http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/9015/ Article 11139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34e8c83c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> <34E95E84.6F33@nt.com> Subject: Re: bee stings Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:54:31 -0500 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.231 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.231 Message-ID: <34e9f8ce.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.231 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11139 yes,all you have to do is "click' on the below address: -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Adrian Kyte wrote in message <34E95E84.6F33@nt.com>... >Midnite wrote: >> >> Greetings! >> I have just added another article by George Imirie; "Bee Stings"..located at >> the beelinks page. > >Do you have a URL for the beelinks page please? >-- >Regards Adrian :-{)} >I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. >All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. >work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com >home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cake & eating it too part ll Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:08 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.231 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.231 Message-ID: <34e9f74f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.231 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11140 Greetings! I have added another "page" authored by George Imirie. This is a continuation on the January issue of the "Pink Pages".. this new topic "speaks" about the PROPER ratio of sugar syrup,splitting,why order queens,swarming, reversing,etc etc The article is entitled "Cake & Eating it Too", located at the beelinks page. Enjoy! -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "William F. Weinhoffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding... Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:34:25 -0800 Organization: Apple Acre Apiaries Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34E894C1.5C33@egyptian.net> References: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: appleacr@egyptian.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp09-sparta.egyptian.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INW (Win95; U) To: lacelle@sympatico.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11141 Paul Lacelle wrote: > > I feel that one my hives may be running out of food.Any suggestions as > to what to do?I heard if you give to much syrup water the bees will get > diarhea,and get very sick. You can feed 1 to 1 sugar water"preferable"in an inside feeder. This might cause bees some stress as in can start the queen laying. You can also feed bee candy on the top bars, or simply place sugar on the top of the intercover,this should let them survive. Hope this helps you. Best of luck Bill Article 11142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: walter.bienz@amigabee.org.uk (Walter Bienz) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!walter.bienz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <887649800@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:54:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/117 2b87d289 REPLY: 240:244/118 2ad02937 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(65) ST> : ST> <> Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 10 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11142 ST> <> I wish to start bee keeping this year. I am looking to buy ST> <> equipment (national + colony, bee-suit, smoker, etc.) ST> <> I live in Surrey, UK. ST> Try E.H. Thorne (beehives LTD) ST> Phone 01673 858555 ST> email: thorne@dial.pipex.com ST> Credit cards excepted for mail order ST> We use a local Thorns agent called "Park Beekeeping Supplies" ST> (London SE10) ST> try then voice or fax 0181-694-9960 ST> Regards Steve --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/117) Article 11143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ministry reply to 'Unauthorised Medication'. Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:19:11 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11143 To all UK beekeepers. My page is in the process of being updated, but alposted there is a cannibalised version of an MPs reply to the question on personal imports of varroa treatment. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK tomsp8.demon.co.uk/furness~ Article 11144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Receipe for creamed honey" Date: 18 Feb 1998 01:47:57 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd3c0f$4c4f8de0$ed0dc6cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sa9-p45.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11144 I am looking for a receipe for creamed honey. I understand that it is just crystallized honey mixed with liquid honey but I am not sure of the proportions. Thanks for the help. Article 11145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!not-for-mail From: JamesR@pe.net (Jim Rasmussen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa treatment Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:53:31 GMT Organization: Nada Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> Reply-To: jamesr@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Host: idl01ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11145 I read with interest the experiments of Dr Pedro Rodriguez in treating mites with mineral oil (pdf files available at http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/index.html ) I am wondering if anyone else out there has tried replication and what their results were. Jim Rasmussen Email: JamesR@pe.net Idyllwild CA 92549 Article 11146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Southern Nights X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:17:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.100 Message-ID: <34ea45a0.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11146 With the weather being so strange this year, how does it look down south? Think we northern folks are going to get packages and queens close to on time? Article 11147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southern Nights Date: 18 Feb 1998 02:41:26 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19980218024101.VAA17713@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34ea45a0.0@news3.paonline.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11147 From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Mushroom) > With the weather being so strange this year, how does it look down south? >Think we northern folks are going to get packages and queens close to on >time? The odds are more and more against it. Six more inches of rain yesterday makes about the fifth time we've been awash since Christmas. A friend tried to get into his most accessible bee yard today for feeding. The yard is on a high spot with sandy roads all the way back to it. He had to turn back about half way in, as the road was under more than a foot of water. I was blocked from one of my "high and dry" yards the other day by a major washout of the farm road. There are some locations I am not even trying to get to, it's not even worth the try. Why spend the day bogged in mud? So these bees are on their own, until I can get in. It is also much too warm (70's today), fruit is in bloom, so we are highly likely to get damaging freezes. The weather is going to have to change soon, or we will not be able to get caught up at all. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:28:40 -0500 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.9.102 Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.9.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11148 Jim, I ordered two hives last spring, I treated them with essential oils [wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. Then treated with mineral oil. I had my hives inspected twice last year June and Oct. 0 mites were found. I treated the hives last week with mineral oil they are doing great. I prefer using mineral oil over the chemical treatments one good reason is you can continue harvesting the honey. Jim Rasmussen wrote: > I read with interest the experiments of Dr Pedro Rodriguez in treating > mites with mineral oil (pdf files available at > http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/index.html ) I am wondering if > anyone else out there has tried replication and what their results > were. > > Jim Rasmussen > Email: JamesR@pe.net > Idyllwild CA 92549 Article 11149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!166.82.1.9!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: Charles Heatherly Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping software Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:55:15 -0500 Organization: Heatherly & Associates Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34EA5BA3.2DCB@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.202 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11149 I am interested in obtaining some good beekeeping software. Can anybody recommend something they've used? Thanks. Please reply. cheatherly@mms.net Article 11150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.12!news2.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attn: Russian beekeepers Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:28:26 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34EB446A.1743@epix.net> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp47.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11150 I have several years accumulation of Bee Culture and American Bee Journal to get rid of. I would be glad to ship them, at my expense, to a Russian beekeeping group, library or beekeeper. I prefer they go to a rural place and not end up in a Moscow cellar. Please advise with a shiping address. Thank you. Burns Article 11151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34E7A661.36F5A798@abac.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:37:21 -0800 From: Roger Sonnenberg Organization: Sun Mountain Orchards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee wing condition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sd-ppp-120.abac.net Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.137.248.9!news1.abac.com!sd-ppp-120.abac.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11151 I'm a year old bee keeper in the mountains of southern CA. Recently I've observed some of my little critters walking around the entrance looking rather in poor condition. Specifically their wings are in some cases almost non existent. There is enough of them to where I'm quite concerned. Do I have something to worry about or what? Thanks for your help. Please respond to smo@abac.com Article 11152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:02:29 +0000 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 40 Message-ID: <34EB1424.568@nt.com> References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11152 I like the idea of continuous non systemic chemicals but am concerned that the honey may get contaminated. Even using food grade mineral oil poses a risk that I don't want to take and I don't have the facilities to analyse the honey to check for contamination. I believe Dr Pedro Rodriguez may be doing some work on this. My other concern about producing mites resistant to oils is I think unfounded as it seems to be a physical effect. Apparently the spiracles on bees are, say size5, and those on the nites are size 1 and the oil has a small effect on size 5 but blocks size 1 completely, very neat but I suppose this could selectively favour mites with bigger than average spiracles. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Herschel Shamblin wrote: > > Jim, > I ordered two hives last spring, I treated them with essential oils > [wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. Then treated with mineral > oil. I had my hives inspected twice last year June and Oct. 0 mites were > found. I treated the hives last week with mineral oil they are doing > great. I prefer using mineral oil over the chemical treatments one good > reason is you can continue harvesting the honey. > > Jim Rasmussen wrote: > > > I read with interest the experiments of Dr Pedro Rodriguez in treating > > mites with mineral oil (pdf files available at > > http://www.birkey.com/blb/beekeeping/index.html ) I am wondering if > > anyone else out there has tried replication and what their results > > were. > > > > Jim Rasmussen > > Email: JamesR@pe.net > > Idyllwild CA 92549 Article 11153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: walter.bienz@amigabee.org.uk (Walter Bienz) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!walter.bienz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <887655891@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:39:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/117 2b887b86 REPLY: 240:44/0 46692ec2 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(65) Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11153 I have got some Equipment for Sale W,B. C and National but without Bees. Ring Tunbridge Wells 01892 - 529251 in the evening or reply to this message Regards W. B. <> ibmpcug!news.pcug.co.uk!bowl.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pi <> pex.net!pipex!hose.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pi <> pex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!howlan <> d.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!de <> mon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "shaun" <> <shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk> <> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping <> Subject: Equipment Wanted <> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:06:56 -0000 <> Message-ID: <> <886921260.23042.0.nnrp-11.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> <> NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk <> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk [194.222.11.251] <> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: <> Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 10 <> I wish to start bee keeping this year. I am looking to buy <> equipment (national + colony, bee-suit, smoker, etc.) <> I live in Surrey, UK. <> Please contact me on:- <> shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/117) Article 11154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee stings Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:15:01 -0500 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.208 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.208 Message-ID: <34e8c83c.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.30.208 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11154 Greetings! I have just added another article by George Imirie; "Bee Stings"..located at the beelinks page. -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bayvarol: forbidden in the whole Europe? Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:29:04 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 19 00:29:04 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 200.16.128.42 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11155 I contacted two German beekeepers both of them confirmed that Bayvarol (flumethrin) for varroa control has been forbidden in Germany since May 1997. I would like to find out whether or not Bayvarol is also prohibited in other countries members of the European Community. Thanks for your reply. Martin Braunstein -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attn: Russian beekeepers Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:23:32 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6cfu23$fr3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <34EB446A.1743@epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 19 00:23:32 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 200.16.128.42 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11156 In article <34EB446A.1743@epix.net>, pyramid@epix.net wrote: Hi Burns, I am not a Russian beekeeper but I am interested in your past issues of the ABJ and Bee Culture. If you don't get any reply from Russia I would like to purchase them. Regards. Martin Braunstein martinbraunstein@hotmail.com > > I have several years accumulation of Bee Culture and American Bee > Journal to get rid of. I would be glad to ship them, at my expense, to > a Russian beekeeping group, library or beekeeper. I prefer they go to a > rural place and not end up in a Moscow cellar. > > Please advise with a shiping address. > > Thank you. > > Burns > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Bill Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving Bees Date: 19 Feb 1998 02:14:33 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bd3cc3$6f355f60$713a1ed1@default> References: <887719215snz@butt.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fwasc33-113.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11157 geoff butt wrote in article <887719215snz@butt.demon.co.uk>... > I was about to post virtually the self-same question about moving hives in > winter when I noticed Dr Wawman's query and the responses. > sisters. Do they for example need to reorientate themselves after a spell of > confinement in the hive during a spell of bad weather? If so it presumably I haven't had any bees in over 20 years, but we used to lean a small board against the hive so that the bees had to alter their flight path as they came out of the hive. This is supposed to make them reorientate and I guess it works because I never noticed loseing any bees after a move. Bill Nelson Article 11158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.230.32.7!news2.ee.net!not-for-mail From: Tim & Deb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Receipe for creamed honey" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:28:28 -0800 Organization: eNET Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34EBC2FB.510C1436@MidOhio.net> References: <01bd3c0f$4c4f8de0$ed0dc6cf@default> Reply-To: apple@MidOhio.net NNTP-Posting-Host: richwoodmica44.midohio.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11158 According to "The Hive and the Honey Bee", 1992 Revised edition, page 703: "Mix 1 cup...quality creamed honey purchased from a local grocer with 10 lbs...liquid honey", but there's a bunch of heat this, do that instructions too. About 6 pages of them. mrnorth wrote: > I am looking for a receipe for creamed honey. I understand that it is just > crystallized honey mixed with liquid honey but I am not sure of the > proportions. Thanks for the help. Article 11159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee wing condition Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:55:54 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34EBBB5A.7E7C@teleport.com> References: <34E7A661.36F5A798@abac.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3-eug3-41.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: Roger Sonnenberg Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11159 Hello Roger, Poor wing development is a sign of varroa damage. Did you treat with Apistan last Fall? I'd suggest you should pull out some capped brood, especially drone brood and look for mites. Scratch off the capping of the Drone cells and then pull the drones out with a toothpick. I wouldn't be surprised if you find several mites. Make sure you treat this spring. Good Luck. I look forward to reading other suggestions. Paul Roger Sonnenberg wrote: > > I'm a year old bee keeper in the mountains of southern CA. Recently > I've observed some of my little critters walking around the entrance > looking rather in poor condition. Specifically their wings are in some > cases almost non existent. There is enough of them to where I'm quite > concerned. Do I have something to worry about or what? Thanks for your > help. > Please respond to smo@abac.com Article 11160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "Receipe for creamed honey" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:12:07 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34EBBF27.2130@teleport.com> References: <01bd3c0f$4c4f8de0$ed0dc6cf@default> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3-eug3-41.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: mrnorth Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11160 mrnorth wrote: > > I am looking for a recipe for creamed honey. I understand that it is just > crystallized honey mixed with liquid honey but I am not sure of the > proportions. Thanks for the help. Hello, The idea behind creamed honey is primarily to seed your honey with a fine grain crystallized honey. This is a simple way that I've used to make creamed honey. I take some crystallized honey or commercial creamed honey and run it in my food processor for a while to make the crystals even smaller. Make sure the honey that you use is entirely liquified. Otherwise you'll end up duplicating the size of crystalls your honey contains before seeding and that's not what you want. You want the smallest crystall you can get. I then take the blended crystallized honey and mix it in with my batch to be. I've heard different proportions, but I've typically use less than a pint per gallon. Put it in a fairly cool room around 60 degrees and stir it a couple times a day. Before it gets entirely firm pour it into you individual containers and let it set up. This is by no means the best way to produce creamed honey, but it has worked for me in small batches. Good Luck, Paul Article 11161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee wing condition Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:51:13 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 56 Message-ID: <34EC0EA1.527C3DEB@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34E7A661.36F5A798@abac.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Roger Sonnenberg X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11161 Roger, One possibility for these deformed wings in young bees could be varroa infestation (as suggested by Paul Cauthorn). Are the bees deformed in any other ways? Are you seeing deformed drones (or only workers)? If yes to either, test your varroa levels and treat for them if you have them. In cooler temps, this would be the least likely reason for deformities if you treated appropriatly for varroa in the fall. Right now the varroa population is near it's lowest.. the tracheal mite population at it's highest. A couple other possibilities: Are these bees young (very "furry") or old (much fur worn off and tattered wings). This time of year in our climate, we see alot of pretty pathetic old girls in and around our colonies. Around here, this is the time of year we are apt to see the oldest worker bees (with the most mileage on them) and they can look pretty pathetic. If the bees appear young, I can think of two other possibilities (other than varroa). Have the bees been moved recently? In cooler temperatures? A good thump to the hive or anything that causes the bees to break cluster when they should be covering the brood and keeping it warm will cause pupae in the last day of developement to not inflate/underinflate their wings (we have seen these bees a couple of times when we've *had* to move hives in the cold & been in 'em days later). A healthy colony will "evict" these bees and an observant beekeeper will see them at the front of the hive. The last possibility that I can think of, if you aren't showing signs of a high infestation of varroa mites, if the bees are young, if you (or someone else) hasn't moved or otherwise thumped 'em during a cold time, is bad genetics. That problem is easily fixed by requeening. If you can, find a local beekeeper or beekeeping organization so that you have experienced folks you can turn to when you see something you haven't seen before. A verbal description is useful, and if frequently not enough for someone who hasn't seen the problem to offer a sure answer. Good luck, Kathy Roger Sonnenberg wrote: > I'm a year old bee keeper in the mountains of southern CA. Recently > I've observed some of my little critters walking around the entrance > looking rather in poor condition. Specifically their wings are in > some > cases almost non existent. There is enough of them to where I'm quite > > concerned. Do I have something to worry about or what? Thanks for > your > help. > Please respond to smo@abac.com Article 11163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orchard For Sale Date: 19 Feb 1998 14:44:36 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bd3d43$c70468a0$84ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11163 For Sale: 190 acre farm with peach, apple, nectarine, strawberry, hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market, equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Located in Illinois 60 miles south of St. Louis. Call 618-826-3300. E-mail: colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:52:15 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11164 In article <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net>, Herschel Shamblin writes > I treated them with essential oils >[wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. Should not the wintergreen be placed on the floor of the hive in a small bottle or similar, with a wick to give a slow relase of vapours? -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 11165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment Date: 19 Feb 1998 20:45:04 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6ci5kg$g76$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11165 This might work, but remember that an important component of the essential oil treatments is to convey the oil to the brood. I suspect the mites would just scurry into cells to escape the vapors; also, those in capped brood might escape - depending upon the length of the treatment... -DT Tom Speight (tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net>, Herschel Shamblin : writes : > I treated them with essential oils : >[wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. : Should not the wintergreen be placed on the floor of the hive in a small : bottle or similar, with a wick to give a slow relase of vapours? : -- : Tom Speight : South Lakes : Cumbria UK -- Article 11166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bayvarol: forbidden in the whole Europe? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:56:14 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11166 In article <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, martinbraunstein@hotmail.com writes >I contacted two German beekeepers both of them confirmed that Bayvarol >(flumethrin) for varroa control has been forbidden in Germany since May 1997. I have a faint recollection of reading somewhere (don't know where) a few years ago, that Bavarol was not registered in Germany. Perhaps one of our German friends can inform us. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 11167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "William F. Weinhoffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:21:08 -0800 Organization: Apple Acre Apiaries Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34ECBE64.414E@egyptian.net> References: <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: appleacr@egyptian.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp06-sparta.egyptian.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INW (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11167 can anyone furnish the name of the red epoxy paint used to paint the inside of honey barrels, also were it can be purchased from. 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S0J-1M0 Phone: (306) 466-2014 Fax: (306) 466-4522 Article 11169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.174.67.209!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail From: ccgammon@bigfoot.com (Craig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollination,Washington cranberries and other Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:17:12 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34eb6914.874625@news.rapidnet.net> References: <19980215075301.CAA16095@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ccgammon@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ap029.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11169 On 15 Feb 1998 07:53:12 GMT, kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) wrote: >How would I go about finding out how to get pollination contracts for >cranberrries, what is the going rate for this and other pollination jobs in >washington state . I am trying to find out wheather it would be feasable to do >or just "stick to honey".(ha,ha) > Our experiences with cranberries is really negligible, however, beekeepers who did cranberry pollination many years ago say that they obtained a good honey crop from cranberries if the cranberry grower was content with 1 or 2 hives per acre, instead of the 'standard' 4 or 5 per acre. On the subject of cranberry honey - some beekeepers insist that honey cannot be obtained from cranberries. However, an 'old-timer' informed me that they themselves obtained cranberry honey in the past and even won an award for it at a local fair! -Craig Gammon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To learn and earn... ...go to http://www.kissamerica.com/kiss-success-4u/index.html Article 11170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Horses Date: 20 Feb 1998 03:15:28 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6cisgg$pp6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <6c4ha1$suk$1@nnrp2.dejanews.com> <34EC68B9.50B9@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-11.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11170 In response to a query about keeping bees 200 meters away from a horsey facility - Susan K. Wehe wrote in message <34EC68B9.50B9@ix.netcom.com>... >We have 3 horses in a pen not 50 ft from our hives with a direct line of >sight. My own mare loves to watch us work bees at the home yard. However if it is a less than favorable bee day she don't stick around but runs to the far end of her pasture when the first few start checking her out. Some horses ain't so bright about this and will instead lay down and roll which as you guessed only makes things worse. Before we moved - our home yard was a chunk fenced out of her pasture - her pasture was oh maybe 4-5 feet tops from the entrances of the nearest hives and those were facing entrance towards the pasture. Her grazing habits near the yard varied according to the level of bee activity - meaing she tended to graze up there at night not during mid-day. You could say that this mare has a lot of horse sense - don't assume they all do cause they most assuredly do NOT. >No problem...now I wouldn't put them in the same pasture since >horses tend to like to rub. Yep indeed. A FL friend of mine with bees on 6-ways (6 colonies to a pallet) had a yard pretty well demolished in what had been a cattle pasture. Seems the land owner swapped out the cattle and put in horses instead without realizing he might oughta warn the beekeeper. Seemed as though them horses had a sweet tooth. > I figure I'm at more risk mowing around the >hives than the horses ever will be and I've never been stung. ;-) I could be mistaken but suspect you should continue to mow around the hives yourself - at least until after your horses have passed a Drivers Education course. Otherwise they might run over your hives and then that just would not be a pretty sight. ;-) Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 11171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp2.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:15:07 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6ciovl$jdh$1@nnrp2.dejanews.com> References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> <6ci5kg$g76$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw8.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 20 02:15:07 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 200.16.128.44 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11171 In article <6ci5kg$g76$1@netnews.upenn.edu>, djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: > > > This might work, but remember that an important component of the essential oil treatments is to > convey the oil to the brood. I suspect the mites would just scurry into cells to escape the > vapors; also, those in capped brood might escape - depending upon the length of the treatment... > > -DT > > Tom Speight (tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk) > wrote: : In article <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net>, Herschel Shamblin > : writes > : > I treated them with essential oils > : >[wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. > : Should not the wintergreen be placed on the floor of the hive in a small > : bottle or similar, with a wick to give a slow relase of vapours? > : -- > : Tom Speight > : South Lakes > : Cumbria UK > > -- > I am just starting to pour about 20 Gr. of essential oils over a vermiculite tablet (9Cm. x 5Cm X 1 Cm) exactly alike the commercial product known in Italy (where it is manufactured) as Apilife-Var. Many people in Europe (Anton Imdorf in Austria and Joe Hemmens in the UK) support their use and affirm that under certain conditions (outside temperature, hive type and size, etc.), the evaporation of oils is indeed effective to kill varroa mites. I can't figure out the exact way mites get killed but it seems easier than feeding syrup + essential oils. I want to stress that I have been feeding emulsified oils into sugar syrup with very good results. Martin -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Kevin P. Gosse" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ?Bumble Bee hive lifespan? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:07:27 -0600 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34ECF36F.13C0@waun.tdsnet.com> Reply-To: kgosse@waun.tdsnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fewi0-a09.grant.tds.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11172 I raise greenhouse tomatoes organically in a 22,000 sq. ft. glasshouse. I have a commercially purchased hive of bumble bees and they seem to do a very nice job of pollination. The lifespan of the hive is only 8-12 weeks, then it needs to be replaced. If the hive dies out, how is it that they survive in the wild? It would seem to me that at least a few young bees must move on to start a new hive. Is there some way to help them continue a hive? Anyone know of a good source of bumble hives for less than $300 per hive? Thanks Article 11173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34ED0957.F993F401@access.mountain.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:40:56 -0500 From: Herschel Shamblin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa treatment References: <34ea3dd8.25546515@news2.pe.net> <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.77.9.104 Lines: 19 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mountain.net!198.77.9.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11173 Anyone needing more information about treating with essential oils should visit this site. http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm Tom Speight wrote: > In article <34EA6377.DBF4A5A6@access.mountain.net>, Herschel Shamblin > writes > > I treated them with essential oils > >[wintergreen] in sugar water until early fall. > Should not the wintergreen be placed on the floor of the hive in a small > bottle or similar, with a wick to give a slow relase of vapours? > -- > Tom Speight > South Lakes > Cumbria UK Article 11174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: foundation wax machine Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:16:13 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6chbat$ote$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: bruno@infovia.com.gt NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Summary: please reply to this post via e-mail to reach the interested party --A Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11174 From: "Bruno L. Soto" Subject: foundation wax machine Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:27:37 -0600 Hello: I want to buy the machine that makes foundation for the frames, but I dont know where to get it. Thanks, regards, Bruno Soto bruno@infovia.com.gt http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/6875 -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.206.0.75!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in4.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: 20 Feb 1998 15:33:02 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6cj11u$s4h$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <34EA5BA3.2DCB@mms.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11175 Charles Heatherly writes: >I am interested in obtaining some good beekeeping software. Can anybody >recommend something they've used? Thanks. Please reply. >cheatherly@mms.net ----------------------------- I havent used it yet, but check out http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/radcomp/ It sounds good. David Article 11192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Ken Kifer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:38:50 -0600 Organization: Not very much. Lines: 67 Message-ID: <34EF112A.BB6E863A@simplecom.net> References: <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net> Reply-To: kenkifer@simplecom.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 9774@208.220.30.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11192 Don Rose wrote: > I have intentions to set up an active observation hive in my first grade > classroom here in a rural area near Yosemite NP. I plan to run 1/2 inch > clear plastic tubing from under an outside eave down throught the ceiling > and into the hive. Is 1/2 inch the right size? Do the bees need a slope > to travel through the tubing or can it come straight down 10 or 12 feet > to the hive? Do you have any other suggestions such as where to purchase > the hive? I had planned to buy one through a teacher supply catalog. > The children are already experts in bee culture, and they are > anticipating observing the behavior that they have learned about in books > and films and from my own knowledge. I hope to have other classes in to > learn from my "experts". Is there a book that you know of on how to keep > a functioning obsevation hive healthy? Half inch tubing is fine; however, the long distance will make it hard for the bees to remove trash and will prevent them using the opening for ventilation. I just drilled a hole straight through the wall (be sure to line it or use a tube and be sure that it comes out behind bushes or is high off the ground. I argued against the purchase of a very expensive observation beehive because it had the frames side-by-side. I said that the children would not be able to see the bees, and that is exactly what happened. The hive is not difficult to construct. A frame 1 1/2 deep on plywood with a piece of Plexiglas screwed to the frame (must be plexiglas due to the problem of breakage. The inside dimensions must be just right to keep the frames between 1/4 and 3/8 (the smaller distance is better) apart. Whenever spaces are too close for the bees to squeeze through, they will fill it with wax or glue; whenever spaces are wider, they will do the same. There is no way to keep an observation hive healthy because it's too small of a number of bees. I made mine three frames in size, and they actually made it through one winter with lots of feed (we also have mild climate in Alabama). It is much harder to keep a small colony up than a large one. About all you can do is to add a feeder for times when the flowers are not blooming. It's probably better to start over each spring. Three problems you didn't think of: 1. The bees are extremely sensitive to chemicals. Would you believe that someone used the bee room to paint in after I said they couldn't tolerate it? 2. The bees may be attacked by wasps or other bees during periods of short food. You will know that this is happening because bees will be getting trapped inside the screens, flying into the building, etc. My observation hive was close to a bee yard, so you probably won't have that much of a problem. 3. Even when you can't find any openings, bees will get into the building sometimes. I just made it a policy to look for bees every morning, so no one would get stung. Keeping a observation hive is a wonderful experience. One of the things I learned was that the queen also takes a nap (you'll see the workers crawl into the cells to nap all the time). I also had read that the queen will kill the queens in queen cells, but will let the workers take the cells apart. I watched her. She tore that cell all to pieces. ------------------------------------------------------ And God said, "Let there be bicycles." And God looked at the bicycles, and they were good. And the evening and the morning were wonderful days. My web page: http://www.simplecom.net/kenkifer/bike.htm Article 11193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!jussieu.fr!ext.jussieu.fr!not-for-mail From: LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.annonces,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.rec.divers,fr.rec.jardinage,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [RESULTATS] : creation de fr.rec.apiculture SUCCES (110:7:7) Followup-To: fr.usenet.forums.evolution Date: 20 Feb 1998 08:42:56 +0100 Organization: Usenet Lines: 269 Approved: fufa@teaser.fr Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: piaf.lami.univ-evry.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Original-Sender: Pascal.PETIT@LaMI.univ-evry.fr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11193 entête ajouté par le modérateur : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In this message are the results of the vote for the creation of the newsgroup newsgroup in french about beekeeping : fr.rec.apiculture. If you speak french, you may be interested. If not, sorry for the disturbance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Le vote pour le groupe fr.rec.apiculture est terminé depuis le 14 février 1998 à 23:59, heure de Paris. Les résultats du vote sont indiqués ci-dessous. La liste des votants avec leur vote figure en annexe de ce message. En vertu de la charte fr-creer-un-groupe-fr de Christophe Wolfhugel, après la publication de cet article dans fr.usenet.forums.annonces, s'ouvre une période de une semaine ou les lecteurs pourront rectifier les erreurs ou contester la validité du vote. Apres cette période d'attente, s'il n'y a pas d'objection sérieuse, chaque groupe recueillant plus de 80 votes OUI que NON et trois plus de votes OUI que de NON pourra être créé par le modérateur de fr.usenet.forums.annonces. 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Vous avez la possibilité de me signaler par courrier électronique les irrégularités ou les erreurs que vous auriez pu constater, à l'adresse suivante : pascal.lallement@cea.fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voici les résultats : 124 votes valides - 0 votes invalides Oui Non Blanc : 3/4 >80 : Cree : Groupe ---- ---- ----- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------- 110 7 7 : OUI OUI : OUI : fr.rec.apiculture Par conséquent, s'il n'y a pas d'objections sérieuses, le groupe pourra être créé après la période d'attente. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Description du groupe : fr.rec.apiculture : forum sur l'apiculture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Liste des votants : A voté Oui : bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be mercredi 14/01/98 09:12 fbrunel@pasteur.fr mercredi 14/01/98 09:12 lallemen@amandine.cea.fr mercredi 14/01/98 11:12 schutz@cui.unige.ch mercredi 14/01/98 17:49 ivan@doug.med.utah.edu mercredi 14/01/98 17:54 fischer@caramail.com mercredi 14/01/98 19:03 lejouf@mail.cpod.fr mercredi 14/01/98 20:24 bertrand.hr@hol.fr mercredi 14/01/98 19:31 xhsoft@injep.fr mercredi 14/01/98 20:16 meylin@hol.fr mercredi 14/01/98 21:04 charvet@mail.dotcom.fr mercredi 14/01/98 18:21 pajak@club-internet.fr mercredi 14/01/98 21:30 Maitena.Frere-Mottant@wanadoo.fr mercredi 14/01/98 22:41 erasme05@infonie.fr mercredi 14/01/98 21:35 belgodere-pl@sitec.fr mercredi 14/01/98 23:56 frankb@direct.ca jeudi 15/01/98 00:28 Pascal.Mertens@fundp.ac.be jeudi 15/01/98 08:55 jean-marie.vandyck@fundp.ac.be jeudi 15/01/98 11:35 roncevaux@mail.dotcom.fr jeudi 15/01/98 13:01 coljp@mandin.cea.fr jeudi 15/01/98 13:16 albert@hol.fr jeudi 15/01/98 00:40 yves@chilesat.net jeudi 15/01/98 23:54 selbn@dial.oleane.com vendredi 16/01/98 02:43 pierre.collaudin@wanadoo.fr vendredi 16/01/98 07:41 chbarret@hol.fr vendredi 16/01/98 20:19 yann.forget@wanadoo.fr vendredi 16/01/98 20:18 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mercredi 04/02/98 01:02 melamy@worldnet.fr mercredi 04/02/98 19:23 ma@experlan.fr jeudi 05/02/98 17:57 manahune@imaginet.fr jeudi 05/02/98 17:58 mickael@mymail.com vendredi 06/02/98 21:26 raphael.oberson@com.mcnet.ch vendredi 06/02/98 22:41 jchaumet@club-internet.fr samedi 07/02/98 10:31 cnuel@mail.dotcom.fr samedi 07/02/98 12:54 congaree@concentric.net samedi 07/02/98 17:51 R.Lampson@wanadoo.fr dimanche 08/02/98 18:50 Dominique.Vanon@wanadoo.fr dimanche 08/02/98 19:32 rm@dial.oleane.com lundi 09/02/98 00:50 isabelle.metayer@cnet.francetelecom.fr lundi 09/02/98 10:01 emploi_insertion@compuserve.com lundi 09/02/98 17:07 mgodon@nordnet.fr mardi 10/02/98 17:41 Chardenon.Leroux@wanadoo.fr mardi 10/02/98 20:55 pyjamet@pratique.fr jeudi 12/02/98 23:55 lemaitrer@compuserve.com samedi 14/02/98 22:46 A voté Non : Fabrice.Noilhan@ens.fr mercredi 14/01/98 09:32 pascal.rigaud@toulon.pacwan.net mercredi 14/01/98 19:08 bheymans@informix.com jeudi 15/01/98 11:40 tassin@eerie.fr jeudi 15/01/98 22:37 groche@teaser.fr vendredi 16/01/98 07:05 regisr@pobox.com samedi 17/01/98 21:48 vince@hol.fr mardi 27/01/98 21:33 A voté blanc : Michel.Guillou@ac-versailles.fr mercredi 14/01/98 08:45 Jean-Pierre.PARISY@teaser.fr mercredi 14/01/98 21:14 bvancra@hexanet.fr mercredi 14/01/98 21:21 tom@ankh.fr.eu.org jeudi 15/01/98 03:24 Stephane.Ecolivet@irisa.fr mardi 27/01/98 07:05 lewin@ipgp.jussieu.fr mercredi 04/02/98 13:37 fs@caduceus.frmug.org vendredi 13/02/98 01:00 Votes invalides : ------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTE DU FORUM NOM : fr.rec.apiculture STATUT : Non-Modéré DESCRIPTION : Forum sur l'apiculture. LANGUE : français OBJET : Le but de ce forum est de permettre aux personnes intéressées de discuter d'apiculture et d'échanger des informations à ce sujet. Ce forum concerne la vie des abeilles, leurs parasites, leurs maladies, les produits de la ruche, leur transformation, leur commercialisation et les techniques apicoles. Ce forum concerne l'apiculture sédentaire ou nomade. Voici une liste non exhaustive de thèmes pertinents : · Biologie des abeilles (les races, nutrition, la colonie, etc.) ; · Biologie appliquée (Pollinisation, sélection, maladies, parasites, etc.) ; · Botanique apicole ; · Economie et législation (organisations apicoles, législation, etc.); · Histoire de l'apiculture ; · Conduite du rucher (essaimage naturel ou artificiel, élevage des reines, hivernage, réunion de colonies, etc.) ; · Produits de la ruche (miel, pollen, gelée royale, propolis, etc.) ; · Matériel (ruches, miellerie, etc.), etc. Les petites annonces de vente, d'achat sont acceptées à condition qu'elles ne soient pas répétées et qu'elles fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le groupe dédié a ce sujet : RAISON : L'apiculture est très populaire en France et dans les pays de langue francophone. Un forum sur le sujet permettrait de rassembler toutes les personnes intéressées. Il existe plusieurs mailing list en français sur ce sujet. Elles sont assez actives et reçoivent environ une 10aine de messages par jour. Toutefois, la solution des mailing list est assez contraignante et un groupe de news serait plus adapté. Il existe un forum très actif en langue anglaise sur ce sujet sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Un forum en langue française serait un plus pour la communauté francophone des apiculteurs. QUELQUES RAPPELS DE BON USAGE : Au cas où un article aurait sa place sur plusieurs forums, il est possible de faire un postage croisé dans ces forums, à condition de ne pas en abuser et de positionner la suite du message (champ "Followup-to: ") sur un seul forum. Les messages d'annonces de site Web concernant l'objet du forum sont acceptés, à condition qu'ils ne soient pas répétés et qu'ils fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le forum dédié à ce sujet : (ce forum étant modéré, consultez sa charte avant de poster). Les règles en usage dans la hiérarchie fr s'appliquent évidemment à ce forum, on rappellera en particulier que : · ce forum est d'expression francophone, il n'est pas interdit de doubler une contribution dans une autre langue, néanmoins, l'usage exclusif de l'anglais, par exemple, risque de se voir considéré comme particulièrement inconvenant. · les fichiers binaires, y compris les images, y sont interdits, et qu'on leur préférera une référence de page Web ou de site FTP, · que les annonces commerciales et autres " Make Money Fast " y sont également interdits, et que leurs auteurs risquent le mépris de tous les lecteurs. · que pour préserver la qualité des échanges de ce groupe, on s'abstiendra de répondre aux " Make money Fast ". FIN DE LA CHARTE Article 11194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding... Date: 21 Feb 1998 20:07:17 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19980221200700.PAA05012@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11194 Cotton candy is also a favorite of bees. I had read about it once. My bees justate it up like "candy". It slowly turns into syrup droplets as the bees breathe and expell moisture. You can also hide pockets of pollen in the cotton candy . And it also could provide insulation for the bees. Article 11195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ?Bumble Bee hive lifespan? Date: 21 Feb 1998 20:28:36 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980221202801.PAA18732@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <$d7vMTAaSb70Iwft@adrem.demon.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11195 Try an internets site, members.aol.com/beetools .This is the Oregon State University Bee Lab and they have information on the construction of Bumble bee nests. Article 11196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kkeepper@aol.com (Kkeepper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: 21 Feb 1998 20:21:47 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980221202100.PAA07310@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6cj11u$s4h$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11196 Try the Carl Hayden Bee reasearch Center. They have three programs. The one on beekeeping economics looks real good. It located a a site titled "Welcome To Gears" Article 11197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Emergency Bee Candy Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:02:44 -0600 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34EF6B24.3191@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0907.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11197 Emergency Bee Candy 15 pounds Granulated Sugar 3 pounds Fructose (Corn Syrup, not the table corn Syrup) 4 cups water 1/2 teaspoon cream of Tarter heat to 242 degrees F (use a candy Thermometer) Remove from heat and reduce heat to 180 degrees F. Beat until thick. Pour into moulds lined with wax paper. (We use disposable bowls for molds) Place 2 strips of 1/2" thick wood on top bars. Place candy on top of the bars and let the bees enjoy. You can use a empty shallow super to protect the candy. Watch the candy VERY CLOSELY-if You scorch it- it will be unfit for the bees to eat. Article 11198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pen-16.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.nysernet.net!news.nysernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: 22 Feb 1998 01:46:43 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6co023$jbo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net> <34EF112A.BB6E863A@simplecom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-35.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11198 Ken Kifer wrote an excellent post in reply to Don Rose <34EF112A.BB6E863A@simplecom.net>... I have one little but important thing to add that could save some trouble in getting this classroom ob hive to work. >Don Rose wrote: >>I plan to run 1/2 inch >> clear plastic tubing from under an outside eave down throught the ceiling >> and into the hive. Is 1/2 inch the right size? Do the bees need a slope >> to travel through the tubing or can it come straight down 10 or 12 feet >> to the hive? When I first set up our living room observation hive I used a long flexible clear plastic tube - if memory serves me it was some sort of drinking water safe tubing purchased at the local hardware store. I figured ERRONEOUSLY that if I just spiraled the tubing so the slope at any point in the tube was very minimal the bees would get in and out just dandy despite a long walk. What actually happened was the poor gals would start the arduous trek up the spiral and then one would lose her footing and cause an avalanche of bees to cascade down the spiral - very very few every got all the way out (due to the poor footing afforded by that particular type of plastic). The problem in this case was solved via making a hollow wooden tube (a surface bee "feet" are made to grip) that went straight up - then using a very short piece of the clear flexible tube to go straight out perfectly horizontally to the copper tubing that went through the wall. Standing out about 6 inches from the house wall a vertical landing surface of plywood was riveted on to the copper tubing (a bee tree has a vertical landing surface) to provide a place for the bees to land and enter. With the entrance protected by the eaves yet extended out away from the house any bee messes and propolis tended not to be on the house. Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Civil rights, at a minimum, includes the right to defend your life - and the lives of your babies. If it saves one life, it's worth it! - so - Let s do it for the children-!" - Robert G. Heinritz, Jr., J.D. - http://www.jpfo.org/civilrts.htm Article 11199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tdale.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Tim Dale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping help! Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:57:18 -0000 Message-ID: <888150294.24057.0.nnrp-06.c2de3f64@news.demon.co.uk> References: <19980220182400.NAA20112@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk [194.222.63.100] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11199 Try some of the Beekeeping Sites on the net... Here's one that gets good reviews: http://www.tdale.demon.co.uk/BeeKeeping/index.htm Cheers... Tim Novelawyer wrote in message <19980220182400.NAA20112@ladder02.news.aol.com>... >I am interested in learning about beekeeping. Would appreciate information >from anyone who would allow me to tag along or who can point me in the right >direction so that I can learn about this myself. Please write to D. Werner at >P.O. Box 61036, Boulder City, NV 89005. Thanks! Article 11200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.uunet.ca!nntp.igs.net!news.igs.net!not-for-mail From: Niederkorns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic Acid use and application Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:51:10 -0500 Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34F0577D.2B95@cnwl.igs.net> References: <6cka2e$phm$1@newsserver.qms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttyb07.cnwl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11200 Todd Brian wrote: > > Is there any information out there concerning the use and application of Formic acid? > Thanks, > Todd Brian This method of applying Formic Acid is cheap and easy to use for the beginner or the commercial beekeeper. The method is explained at http://www.cnwl.igs.net/~ndrkorn/beefarm.htm Article 11201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomasmozer@juno.com Subject: Re: Red Man tobacco in smoker? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-User-Info: 205.216.79.140 ts4-12.aug.com References: <34E0BE8C.54C0BDBC@imap4.orem.novell.com> <01bd38e3$f3bb1e20$7310bacc@beehive> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.63.250 Message-ID: <34f061f3.0@blushng.jps.net> Date: 22 Feb 98 17:35:47 GMT Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.63.250 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11201 "Russell T. Sears" wrote: >Just remember, nicotine is an insecticide. indeed it is, however it has been used for varroa detection along with a sticky board, as it has a definite knock-down effect... however, dosage is crucial, a pinch or two in your smoker along with normal fuel is what i have seen reccommended in the literature. it will also kill bees if overdosed!!! Article 11202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick White" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bayvarol: forbidden in the whole Europe? Date: 22 Feb 1998 22:43:20 GMT Organization: UUNET Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bd3fe3$1f2e5c60$c15395c1@100530776> References: <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userb718.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11202 Bayvarol is the only thing licensed for use here in the UK. We have only had varroa for a relatively short time as yet ~ 7 years, so don't have any evidence of resistance yet. We have recently been informed that we are also not allowed to use any products which have not been specifically licensed for the UK, even if they have been licensed for other parts of the EU Nick.White@dial.pipex.com Tom Speight wrote in article ... > In article <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > martinbraunstein@hotmail.com writes > >I contacted two German beekeepers both of them confirmed that Bayvarol > >(flumethrin) for varroa control has been forbidden in Germany since May 1997. > I have a faint recollection of reading somewhere (don't know where) a > few years ago, that Bavarol was not registered in Germany. Perhaps one > of our German friends can inform us. > -- > Tom Speight > South Lakes > Cumbria UK > Article 11203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34E0BE8C.54C0BDBC@imap4.orem.novell.com> <01bd38e3$f3bb1e20$7310bacc@beehive> <34f061f3.0@blushng.jps.net> Subject: Re: Red Man tobacco in smoker? Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:40:52 -0500 Lines: 34 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-47.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-47.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <34f10ced.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-47.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11203 I know an elderly man in Mississippi that saves all of his cigar butts and crushes one up into his smoker. He's 87 years old and has been keeping bees for 76 years so I did not dare question his methods. just my two cents... Chip Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA Beeman@Georgia.com http://www.GeorgiaHoney.com =========================== Heart of Georgia Beekeepers Association http://www.hom.net/~beeman ======================= SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 http://www.gnfa.com tomasmozer@juno.com wrote in message <34f061f3.0@blushng.jps.net>... >"Russell T. Sears" wrote: >>Just remember, nicotine is an insecticide. > >indeed it is, however it has been used for varroa detection along >with a sticky board, as it has a definite knock-down effect... >however, dosage is crucial, a pinch or two in your smoker along >with normal fuel is what i have seen reccommended in the literature. >it will also kill bees if overdosed!!! Article 11204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Mike KEMP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Magazines for Sale Date: 23 Feb 1998 15:04:35 GMT Organization: UUNET Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd406c$5a74eda0$2ff482c1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ae047.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11204 I have a large quantity of old beekeeping magazines for sale in several languages including french, dutch, german and english. From c.1905 - 1950s. A list will shortly be available by email. reply to kemp.books@dial.pipex.com to receive an email copy. Article 11205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.14.113.10!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: "Elizabeth M. Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen Date: 23 Feb 1998 19:51:21 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.94.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11205 Is anybody else see their bees pack pollen in Missouri? I was looking at them today as the temp is up and they are quite busy and saw many packing pollen. Is this odd or what? as far as I can tell there is nothing producing pollen. I've been at this for one year and have more question now then when I started. :-) In Him, Elizabeth Article 11206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:59:37 +0000 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk [194.222.36.211] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 137 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11206 In article <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net>, Don Rose writes >I have intentions to set up an active observation hive in my first grade >classroom here in a rural area near Yosemite NP. I plan to run 1/2 inch >clear plastic tubing from under an outside eave down throught the ceiling >and into the hive. Is 1/2 inch the right size? Do the bees need a slope >to travel through the tubing or can it come straight down 10 or 12 feet >to the hive? Do you have any other suggestions such as where to purchase >the hive? I had planned to buy one through a teacher supply catalog. >The children are already experts in bee culture, and they are >anticipating observing the behavior that they have learned about in books >and films and from my own knowledge. I hope to have other classes in to >learn from my "experts". Is there a book that you know of on how to keep >a functioning obsevation hive healthy? > >Don Rose >darose@yosemite.net Hi Don, I have run ob hives at a local school for several years now and here are a few tips I have come up with. Entrance I think 1/2" it tight as on busy days it gets rather congested Plastic pipe is bad news going vertical for the reasons Jack outlined it is very slippy for bees. Horizontal it's ok but you can have problems if brightly illuminated as the bees get confused and try to exit sideways towards the light. Can't blame them who has every seen clear plastic in nature. Short vertical length's can be made easier if you internally coat it with water based wallpaper adhesive mixed with find sawdust. If you are going up a long way say more than 1 metre a vertical 10-15cm square section made from untreated wood works well as the bees partially fly. They will also find the exit faster if a mirror is placed at the top like a periscope so they can see natural light. My ob hives all have entrances at the top this helps to keep the outside entrance high and allows the entrance to double as the feeder and reloader for bees. The floor slides for cleaning. Ok so it is harder work for the cleaner bees but more fun for the kids to watch. Queens I do not like do & don'ts just try it, but it is better not to have a young queen as she will be too fertile for the confined space of an ob hive. Better to pension off a good tempered old queen. Population The biggest problem I believe is population control as the volume is just wrong. This causes a high population to consume the limited food stored very quickly if there is a wet or cold spell. Conversely a small population can find it difficult to raise viable brood probably due to poor temperature control. Hermetically sealed double glazed units helps. To assist in this, a small car vacuum cleaner with a plastic 2 litre bottle replacing the front of the vacuum is useful. In the winter the population be artificially increased be stealing bees from a sound colony and introducing them to the ob hive. A quick spray of bathroom de odourizer sprayed into the hive & bottle stops any fighting although in late winter and sring you won't need any. This can also be used to reduce the population by sucking at the feed hole. The vacuum is very gentle and does not harm the bees. Loading Always take the queen out prior to loading and re introduce her at the feeder later. Do not select a frame full of brood as the bees will have thier work cut out finding the entrance to obtain fresh pollen in quantity. Feeding Don't feed at night or when the weather is severe as this causes a bit of a dancing spree which seems to translate to 'It's right outside you can't miss it' which they duly do. So you find a good number of bees throwing themselves into the cold night with little chance of survival. Who says bees are smart. :-). In about 50,000 years they will have probably developed a new dance saying 'It's in the feeder' but as you don't have that long, take care. Bee selection Goes without saying that good temper is desirable however I have noticed that poor temper bees seem to have better temper after 'living' with humans for a while. This is subjective but it may be related to odour. (incidentally Bees don't like curry smells) Just as important is housekeeping abilities. It is not as obvious it a normal hive but in an ob hive the ability to keep the floor clear of debris is vital as it will soon become a big problem necessitating a full reload. I have kept bees for up to 16 months between major overhauls with minimum debris on the floor. Hope the above is of some use, lots more to say but I will stop boring you now. Best of luck and have fun. Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 11207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen Date: 23 Feb 1998 22:49:04 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980223224901.RAA28672@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11207 During the warm spells that we have been having in New England this winter the bees have been getting into the bird feeders especially the tray feeder. There have been as many as a dozen bee in the tray feeder at once. I understand that this is not uncommon when there are warm days with nothing in bloom. Ralph Harrison Article 11208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "William F. Weinhoffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:29:35 -0800 Organization: Apple Acre Apiaries Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34F2227F.13FB@egyptian.net> References: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> Reply-To: appleacr@egyptian.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp11-sparta.egyptian.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INW (Win95; U) To: "Elizabeth M. Bowles" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11208 Elizabeth M. Bowles wrote: > > Is anybody else see their bees pack pollen in Missouri? I was looking > at them today as the temp is up and they are quite busy and saw many > packing pollen. Is this odd or what? as far as I can tell there is > nothing producing pollen. > > I've been at this for one year and have more question now then when I > started. :-) > > In Him, > > Elizabeth I was checking some of my hives on Jan. 28. They where bring in a light green pollen. Earlier than I've ever noticed in Southern Illinois, Hope this weather doesn't backfire. Bill Article 11209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeeds.sol.net!uwm.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: Dennis Winslow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:17:05 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34F21F91.60CF@pilot.msu.edu> References: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> <19980221200700.PAA05012@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: nichol77@pilot.msu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pm175-18.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AUTHid: nichol77 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) X-MD5: 7051da58b0f14a8f1de06667fd1f0328 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11209 I am very interested in beekeeping but am only 14 and dont have alot of money. I have been wanting to do this for a long time. If anyone has some hand me down beekeeping equipment i would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance Dennis (please reply e mail) Article 11210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@SPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: pollen References: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:28:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.98 Message-ID: <34f222ec.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11210 In article <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155>, "Elizabeth M. Bowles" wrote: >Is anybody else see their bees pack pollen in Missouri? I was looking >at them today as the temp is up and they are quite busy and saw many >packing pollen. Is this odd or what? as far as I can tell there is >nothing producing pollen. > >I've been at this for one year and have more question now then when I >started. :-) > Here in Indiana as well, It might have been anything from some kinds of dust to leftovers from bird feeders. So I put out some Pollen Substitute out for the fun of it. Article 11211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: 24 Feb 1998 03:21:14 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6cteba$plv@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net> <34EF112A.BB6E863A@simplecom.net> <6co023$jbo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.98.31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11211 Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote in article <6co023$jbo$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > Ken Kifer wrote an excellent post in reply to Don Rose > <34EF112A.BB6E863A@simplecom.net>... > > I have one little but important thing to add that could save some trouble in > getting this classroom ob hive to work. > > > > > >Don Rose wrote: > >>I plan to run 1/2 inch > >> clear plastic tubing from under an outside eave down throught the ceiling > >> and into the hive. Is 1/2 inch the right size? Do the bees need a slope > >> to travel through the tubing or can it come straight down 10 or 12 feet > >> to the hive? > > When I first set up our living room observation hive I used a long flexible > clear plastic tube - if memory serves me it was some sort of drinking water > safe tubing purchased at the local hardware store Hello I also had a Observation Hive in my Living room for about 4-5 years. I used a 2 inch plastic clear hose. Like Jack said my bees had trouble getting out. I solved the problem by putting inside the hose a cotton rope for them to walk up. I have since moved it out in a small shed behind the house with a entrance out the bottom like a normal hive. If I was to put it back in the house I would use the regular entrance for the bees to come and go through. My 2 cents worth Ken (North of Kansas City Mo.) Article 11212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen Date: 24 Feb 1998 03:26:47 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6cteln$qq@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> <34f222ec.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.98.31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11212 Mushroom wrote in article <34f222ec.0@news3.paonline.com>... > In article <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155>, "Elizabeth M. Bowles" wrote: > >Is anybody else see their bees pack pollen in Missouri? > Here in Indiana as well, It might have been anything from some kinds of dust > to leftovers from bird feeders. So I put out some Pollen Substitute out for > the fun of it. Hello My PussyWillow trees along with the Soft Maples are covered with bees collecting pollen. I am about 25 miles North of Kansas City Mo. Ken Article 11213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:31:45 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34f29075.30953170@news.earthlink.net> References: <34EE45A7.5275@yosemite.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.185.94 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11213 Don Rose wrote: >I have intentions to set up an active observation hive in my first grade >classroom here in a rural area near Yosemite NP. ... I had planned >to buy one through a teacher supply catalog. Don, bees normally head towards light to exit the hive, so the entrance should be consistent with that. The bees will waste a lot of effort if, say, a window is in one direction attracting the bees while the hive entrance is in a different direction. It is also difficult for bees to remove debris through an upward exit. The one or two frame observation hives that are typically sold through catalogs are fine for temporary display, but it is much better to have a larger one, and more than one comb in width, if it is expected to house a colony for more than a month or so. You might get some ideas for building observation hives from the photos on my web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ The site includes a page on moveable frames hives (recomended for classroom) and another page on natural comb hives. Best wishes, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee wing condition Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:45:03 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34F2C0CF.5E49@juno.com> References: <34E7A661.36F5A798@abac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26351@205.216.79.131 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Roger Sonnenberg Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11214 suggest you check out the varroa www hub at http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/alvarweb.htm especially the photo gallery, deformed bees on comb and mite excreta for detection pics, and follow up if applicable with secondary pathogens link to viruses (deformed wing virus), then treatments, etc. Article 11215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:47:28 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6cutih$3lb@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.155.25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11215 If you have some low swampy areas near where you live, there may be some skunk cabbage. Even here in New Jersey in a more normal year it will bloom in late February. This is one of the earliest blooming plants that are good for bees to build up on. We are seeing a lot more brood than is normal for this time of year but the biggest down side is that they are consuming food faster and all beekeepers will have to be careful that their bees don't starve as we get closer to Spring. gbees@worldnet.att.net beekeeping and home brewing supplies Elizabeth M. Bowles wrote in message <6csjvp$rba$0@208.18.94.155>... >Is anybody else see their bees pack pollen in Missouri? I was looking >at them today as the temp is up and they are quite busy and saw many >packing pollen. Is this odd or what? as far as I can tell there is >nothing producing pollen. > >I've been at this for one year and have more question now then when I >started. :-) > >In Him, > >Elizabeth > Article 11216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Beekeeping events Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:33:55 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11216 I have put a link on my page to a calendar of beekeeping events in the UK. If you want your Branch or County show or convention etc. added, please contact me with details. Thanks -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK http://www.tomsp8.demon.co uk Article 11217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee wing condition Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:28:16 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34F30330.4C9C7B3E@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34E7A661.36F5A798@abac.com> <34F2C0CF.5E49@juno.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11217 Wow! What a great site! Roger, there's a terrific picture of the varroa infestation induced deformed wing virus that Paul Cauthorn wrote about in this site's "IACR-Rothamsted Varroa Project" section. The picture shows the DWV bees with fully inflated wings that are weirdly deformed. Is this what your bees looked like Roger?? Thanks for pointing me to a great site that I hadn't found before Tomas! Kathy tomas mozer wrote: > suggest you check out the varroa www hub at > > http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/alvarweb.htm > > especially the photo gallery, deformed bees on comb and mite excreta > for > detection pics, and follow up if applicable with secondary pathogens > link > to viruses (deformed wing virus), then treatments, etc. Article 11218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bayvarol: forbidden in the whole Europe? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:33:31 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6cfucg$ggf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd3fe3$1f2e5c60$c15395c1@100530776> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11218 In article <01bd3fe3$1f2e5c60$c15395c1@100530776>, Nick White writes >Bayvarol is the only thing licensed for use here in the UK. Hi, I know that Nick, but it is not quite that simple when you look into it. See my page at For instance, Statutory Instrument 1997 No. 1729, mentions an EEC document that it refers to as "The Council Regulation". I understand that that document contains, among other things, an Annex II, which is a list of substances not subject to maximum resudue limits. This includes many compounds, including formic acid, thymol, tau fluvalinate etc. What I was getting at is that the only product registered un the UK is not, and I don't think ever has been, registered in the country of manufacture. Because it has been forbidden since May 97 does not mean it was licensed before that. One reason I thought a German beekeeper may have had the answer. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 11219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Merit Badge Date: 24 Feb 1998 20:27:33 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980224202700.PAA17024@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6c7kb2$1qe6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11219 I happen to have an original book from the boy scouts on beekeeping - e-mail me. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something (me) Article 11220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: merlin133 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: problem Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:33:51 -0500 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34F33CBF.35AC0AC9@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mgregory.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11220 I dont know if this is the best place to ask but we have a yellow jacket problem in our house and would like to know any way of getting ri of them w/ out calling an extreminator. Thank you, please reply to the group. Article 11221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Classroom Observation Hive Date: 24 Feb 1998 20:40:54 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19980224204001.PAA23984@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11221 Some more thoughts on observation hives. Last year we got lazy and just took a frame of brood with a queen cell start and dropped that into the observation hive and watched the hive raise the virgin queen and saw her mating flights. Too much fun! Anyway, about a month later, we were adding a frame of honey and watching for the queen, and lo and behold, we dropped the the frame of honey right on top of her highness! Well, for about a week, we had a queen that only walked in a circle! Just to make that hive more miseriable, we entered it in the county fair and had the four hotest days of the year. We cooked about a third of the bees - brought it back (with not only a blue, but a best of show ribbon to show for it), cleaned it out, located the queen, add feed and all seemed well. Well, 21 days to the minute (a brood cycle) later, those bees all of a sudden started a loud ruckus and within twenty minutes, they packed all of their little bee baggage and SPLIT! Not a drop of nectar or a grain of pollen left. Guess they showed us! On the 1/2" clear tube issue, Ruhl Bee in Portland OR has an observation hive with a 1" clear tube that is about eight feet long and rises about four to five feet before exiting. The bees form a freeway top and bottom of the tube. Our office observation hive had/has a 1" PVC tube about six inches long with a right angle about half way. It takes the bees about a day to figure out the right angle turn each time we take it to our Saturday market. The year before at Saturday market in about May, we removed the covers for a crowd of kids and one kid asks, "Why are they dragging that big bee all around?" Yes, it was the disposed queen. We took it back a left it alone for over a week and found four queen cells. They were able to requeen themselves, which I have been told by several "experts", can't happen. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 11222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.cancom.net!usenet From: "Jeff and Dee-anne" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mice in Hives Date: 19 Feb 1998 19:30:25 GMT Organization: Cancom's ION -- Internet Outpost Network. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bd3d6c$b3876880$9b9bfacd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial155.cyberlink.bc.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11222 I am a new keeper. I received a hive last spring and was able to bull about 50 lbs. of honey off this past flow. We had a very mild winter here in southern BC and the other day I checked the hive only to find all the bees dead and a grey field mouse taking up residence. The bees had lots of food and it appeared that the mouse had killed them. Anyone had similar experience and what can I do to correct this in the future? I should add that the mouse gnawed its way into the hive. Thanks Article 11223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34E75C04.4663@sympatico.ca> <19980221200700.PAA05012@ladder02.news.aol.com> <34F21F91.60CF@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Help! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:25:05 -0500 Lines: 32 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-11.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-11.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <34f38222.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!nac!news.iac.net!stdio!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-11.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11223 Hey Dennis, Send me your shipping address... -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia USA Beeman@Georgia.com http://www.GeorgiaHoney.com ============================ Heart of Georgia Beekeepers Association http://www.hom.net/~beeman ======================== SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 http://www.gnfa.com Dennis Winslow wrote in message <34F21F91.60CF@pilot.msu.edu>... >I am very interested in beekeeping but am only 14 and dont have alot of >money. I have been wanting to do this for a long time. If anyone has >some hand me down beekeeping equipment i would really appreciate it. >Thanks in advance > >Dennis >(please reply e mail) Article 11224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Donald V Israel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-L Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:37:07 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-159-76.nc.us.ibm.net X-Post-Time: 25 Feb 1998 12:38:04 GMT X-Auth-User: 002640832/06fe7dbf54269170 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11224 I have a new computer and am having difficulty subscribing to BEE-l. Would one of my fellow beekeepers help by e-mail direct? Thanks Don in NC Article 11225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mice in Hives Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:48:19 +0000 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34F40503.1FEA@nt.com> References: <01bd3d6c$b3876880$9b9bfacd@default> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11225 Jeff and Dee-anne wrote: > > I am a new keeper. I received a hive last spring and was able to bull > about 50 lbs. of honey off this past flow. > > We had a very mild winter here in southern BC and the other day I checked > the hive only to find all the bees dead and a grey field mouse taking up > residence. > > The bees had lots of food and it appeared that the mouse had killed them. > > Anyone had similar experience and what can I do to correct this in the > future? > > I should add that the mouse gnawed its way into the hive. > > Thanks Here in the UK we fit 'mouseguards' which are thin metal plates the size of the hive entrance which have 3/8 inch holes all over them, apparently mice skulls are too big to get trhough the holes. These are commercially available here at low cost and I guess its the same where you are. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Pierre-David Houllé" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: business honey forum Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:43:00 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34F41FE4.D906FD9@multiware-info.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-178.abo.wanadoo.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11226 I search usenet forum to make business (import/exportl) only in honey domain Pierre harry@wanadoo.fr Article 11227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:46:53 -0000 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-225.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <34f43670.1@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-225.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11227 Donald V Israel wrote in message <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com>... >I have a new computer and am having difficulty subscribing to BEE-l. Would >one of my fellow beekeepers help by e-mail direct? Thanks Don in NC > > What is it? John Article 11228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mice in Hives Date: 25 Feb 1998 21:01:50 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6d20ru$5sc$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <01bd3d6c$b3876880$9b9bfacd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11228 I have had the same problem with some of my hives. I have responded with two measures: One is to keep the brush down to a minimum directly around the hives, and to put hives on top of tree stump sections (as they become available) in order to elevate them. This is also good in terms of getting the hives off and away from the ground. (note: you may need to nail a couple of 2 x 4s onto the stump tops in order to properly support the hive or bottom board.) The theory behind this (and I admit it is only theory) is that these measures expose the mouse when it goes about its busines, making it vulnerable to its natural predators. It seems to be working; i've yet to have a hive so supported end up with a mouse in it... The other approach is to use hardware cloth to sheath the entire perimeter of the bottom HB. I usually do at least the bottom 6 inches, but it depends on what kind of scrap hardware cloth I have available. You can use a staple gun to do the attaching. The disadvantage is that you have to cooridinate your fall manipulations so that these hivebodies end-up at the bottom for winter. Minor problem really. Incidentally, it probably wasn't the mouse, per se, that killed the bees, but rather the disturbances to the cluster that its presence caused. DT : We had a very mild winter here in southern BC and the other day I checked : the hive only to find all the bees dead and a grey field mouse taking up : residence. : The bees had lots of food and it appeared that the mouse had killed them. : Anyone had similar experience and what can I do to correct this in the : future? : I should add that the mouse gnawed its way into the hive. : Thanks -- Article 11229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:15:39 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34F4980B.321E0FC4@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> <34f43670.1@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Kidney John X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11229 John, BEE-L is a LISTSERV list "for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees." That which is in quotes is the original charter of the group (as recently posted to Bee-L by AMorris). "There is a very clear distinction between "discussion" or "news" groups and LISTSERV lists. In cyberspace "discussion" or "news" groups differ from LISTSERV lists in that "discussion" or "news" groups can be more correctly called "opinion" groups whereas LISTSERV lists are, or at least were intended to be factual." (again quotes from A. Morris) You can subscribe (easiest) by going to the New Zealand Beekeepers page at: http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm and following the instructions for subscribing. Thanks to Aaron Morris for the easily cut & pasted words describing Bee-L, Kathy Kidney John wrote: > What is it? > John Article 11230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring management Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:55:55 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.158 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.158 Message-ID: <34f4a143.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.158 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11230 Greetings: Spring management of winter hives is ready for review... Herb(Midnitebee) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized???? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:45:44 -0600 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-52-42.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 888450464 3453 (None) 151.164.52.42 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11231 I'm a fairly novice beekeeper and have the beginnings of a problem. Last year I bought two packages of bees (One All American, one Buckfast) Over the summer, I split them into 2 more. Recently, while out rototilling in the yard (25-30 ft from the hives) one of the little hellions zapped me on the ear. A couple of days later, I was out (minding my own business, no motors) another one zapped me. I noticed during the summer that the Buckfast were more aggressive than the other hive, and have never before had any that were even close to the milder hive. I examined all the hives, and found one marked queen, one HUGE unmarked queen, a small unmarked, and another hive where no queen could be found. My questions... Since I live about 2-3 miles from a known africanized area, do I assume they are africanized and snuff 'em? what can I use to calm the bees down? Or should I just keep out of their way until I can requeen? They don't exhibit classical Africanized stinging frenzy, they just don't seem to like me (wherever I am). Could a new cologne be causing this? I have just now come back inside after combining the two Queenright colonies with the two questionable colonies (with a screen separator). Maybe the queen pheromones will get them calmed. Any more advice?? What have I missed? Thanks, Jim Owen Article 11232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> <34f43670.1@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <34F4980B.321E0FC4@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:01:12 -0000 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-244.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <34f4bb83.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-244.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11232 Thank you, Kathy, for your help. Will look in! Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply. "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the Stars" Kathy wrote in message <34F4980B.321E0FC4@ne.mediaone.net>... >John, > Article 11233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:17:16 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6d2fo7$rhg$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp10.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11233 In article <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Donald V Israel" wrote: >I have a new computer and am having difficulty subscribing to BEE-l. Would >one of my fellow beekeepers help by e-mail direct? Thanks Don in NC > > This site automates the process: http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm Article 11234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mice in Hives Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:20:49 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34f4c279.174850353@news.earthlink.net> References: <01bd3d6c$b3876880$9b9bfacd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.185.84 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11234 "Jeff and Dee-anne" wrote: >The bees had lots of food and it appeared that the mouse had killed them. Jeff, bees will normally kill a mouse if it interferes with the wintering bee cluster. Mice may build a nest in the hive and live contently, but I think your bees died from something else. Mites, perhaps? John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gerryvisel@aol.com (GerryVisel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Help Date: 26 Feb 1998 06:14:09 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980226061401.BAA17160@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11235 I have a beekeeper friend from Belarus who is coming to visit this summer, and wants to work part of his way for a beekeeper. He will probably be here (near Chicago and/or Kansas City) for two weeks in late June or early September. Anybody need some interesting help??? Gerry Visel Article 11236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:22:44 +0000 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11236 In article <6d13bc$1e26$1@newssvr09-int.news.prodigy.com>, Donald V Israel writes >I have a new computer and am having difficulty subscribing to BEE-l. Would >one of my fellow beekeepers help by e-mail direct? Thanks Don in NC > > I assume that it is the sign-up instructions that you need. They are :- 1. Send a message to listserv@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU containing the words : Subscribe BEE-L 2. Within a day or so, you should receive a message from the listserv program asking your approval to add your name to the list. This is done simply be replying to the message with the word "OK". 3. Remember that all communications to this address are interpretted by a computer program rather than a human being so any additional text in the body of the message will not be understood. 4. When you are ready to send a message to the 5-600 beekeepers who are on Bee-L, send your message to BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU see you on Bee-L !!!! -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England Article 11237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: Lord_Reality Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hello I'm doing a report Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:01:57 +0000 Organization: gte.net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6d33vt$i4l$1@gte1.gte.net> Reply-To: neuromancer27@mail.geocities.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust94.tnt1.lihue.hi.gt.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D709D1411987C19A14CC8491 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11237 Hello everyone My name is Kapono Curry and I was wondering if anyone in here would be able to help me. My report is on Bees, their habits, physical structure, varieties, social structure, and all that great stuff. Mostly I'm trying to focus on Bees that can be found in Hawaii, on Kauai in particular (one of the islands in the chain) if I do the report I'll post it and link to everyone who helped me with it to a site of mine. Thanx for your future help whomever, Kapono Curry -- +-----------------------------------+ | Reality 2.0 right here | | -"damn this rules"-satisfied customer | +-----------------------------------+ Article 11238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Money for Research Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:01:38 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <34F591E1.84B3FA74@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc3-20-169.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AC6983D2329CB356902A6306" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11238 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC6983D2329CB356902A6306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------AC6983D2329CB356902A6306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="Research Funds Available.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Research Funds Available.txt" ABF Queen Breeders Group Soliciting Research Proposals The American Beekeeping Federation¹s Package Bee and Queen Breeders Special Interest Group (SIG) is soliciting grant proposals for research projects related to queen bees. At the 1997 ABF Convention in Norfolk, the SIG members decided to establish a research fund to accept voluntary contributions from bee breeders to help solve research problems that are of immediate concern to the beekeeping industry. At the recent ABF Convention in Colorado Springs, the SIG collected a substantial amount from a few generous firms and individuals. Current contributors to the research fund include Kona Queen Hawaii, Glenn Apiaries, Heitkam¹s Honey Bees, Strachan Apiaries, Presley Apiaries, and B. Weaver Apiaries. Other members of the SIG have pledged their support, including Walker Apiaries, R. Weaver Apiaries, and Wooten¹s Golden Queens. The research fund committee asks that beekeepers support these breeders who are putting a portion of their revenues to work for the industry, or, alternatively, to encourage their breeder to contribute to the research fund. The research fund committee developed a list of research priorities and, with the help of some of the bee scientists present at the meeting, formulated a list of target topics and guidelines for requesting research grants. TARGET TOPICS 1. Development of honey bee stocks resistant to varroa. 2. Causes of early queen failure and supersedure (or lack of supersedure) in queens sold individually, or in packages and nucs. 3. Test/monitor commercial queen stocks for diseases and mites, and the effect of diseases and mite infestations on queen longevity and fecundity. 4. Effects of acaracides during treatment, or through residue accumulation in wax on: a. Behavior of drones b. Production of semen c. Viability of semen d. Behavior of queens e. Fecundity of queens f. Viability of embryos and/or brood 5. Effect of queen cell contamination, chemical composition, or residue accumulation in wax on queen health and performance. All research proposals should be limited to ten pages, including: 1. Objective of the research. 2. Enough protocol for the reviewer to determine the feasibility of the approach. 3. An itemized list of the costs of the research. 4. The anticipated benefit to the industry at the completion of the study. 5. Each proposal should be limited to $10,000 or less. 6. No indirect or overhead costs may be included in the budget or deducted from the amount awarded. Please send your proposals to: Daniel Weaver, c/o B. Weaver Apiaries, Inc., R.R. 1, Box 256, Navasota, TX 77868, Fax 409-825-7351. Proposals must be received by April 1, 1998 for duplicating and dissemination to the Research Committee members. The committee will review the proposals in consultation with a panel of disinterested research scientists and make funding decisions by July 1, 1998. Posted by: Troy Fore Executive Director American Beekeeping Federation P.O. Box 1038 Jesup, GA 31598 Ph. 912-427-4233 Fax 912-427-8447 E-Mail: troyfore@abfnet.org --------------AC6983D2329CB356902A6306-- Article 11239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and vandals (formerly bees and horses) Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:08:39 GMT Lines: 42 Message-ID: <19980226160800.LAA26950@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11239 >1. Has anyone had experience of hives being vandalised (by people that is, >not by horses)? > I had one incident of vandalism in an isolated yard. >2. With what consequences for persons and creatures other than the bee-keeper and the bees? The persons seemed interested in taking honey from the hive, the hive was bothered but not to any extent as to cause the bees any problem. The bees always seemed to chase the would be(e) robbers away. >3. What have you done to protect your hives against further vandalism? > The "robbers" Always seemed to pick the closest hive to the road... so we moved in the meanest hive we could find and exchanged places. Conclusion: They came back once...they didn't come back again. Bees are only concerned when their immediate surroundings (mainly homes) are disturbed. Would be vandalists ould be detered from tampering with the hives because one "Hey there are bees in there". And again they would probably only do it once. My suggestion is to enclose the apiary wit a fence of you choosing. Remember if it is a solid wall fence the bees will have to fly over it, thus removing the threat of locals in their flight path and it would deter vandals. ?This would be the most ideal situation. However I do recommend a fence of some sort and a sign to indicate the nature of that fence. I would say 20 feet from the hives in a heavy traffic area. and ten in a light. I keep a yard in the back of my house and regularly work less then six feet from them when building my equipment. We seem to get along nicely. I 've had no complaints fom them, but again 20 feet around or a highwall should do it...highwall prefered. Robert Williamson Silversail@aol.com "A simple an independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 11240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mice in Hives Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:30:01 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19980226163001.LAA05090@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34f579f8.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11240 Mice, waxworms, foulbrood are all usually secondary reasons for hive loss. Mites are generally the cause, but there are so many other factors that could have led to the demise of the hive. The only suggestion I have is to keep bees in your hive. A hive, strong in numbers is the best defense you can possibly give a hive. Against any of the above. nature provided bees ways of surviving, but there will always be casualties. If winter rolls around here and I can barely fit the bees into two and a half boxes..I may have enough bees. But back to the subject..I agree with John mice are rarely the primary cause of hive downfall...The only concern about mice are to protect your comb from damage. If the mouse presents a problem to the hive...he will be taken care of. No it was something else... I would look for mites...what type of preventitive are you using? Article 11241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized???? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:56:51 -0600 Organization: Netcom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <34F5ACE3.7C0@ix.netcom.com> References: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> <19980226162201.LAA28463@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-17.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Feb 26 9:51:06 AM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11241 Silversail wrote: > > >Recently, while out rototilling in the yard (25-30 ft from the hives) > >one of the little hellions zapped me on the ear. A couple of days > >later, I was out (minding my own business, no motors) another one zapped > >me. > > One...How far were you from the hives when you got stung...Were you in thier > flight path? Yes a cologne could definitelt trigger that kind of response. It's > best to go without cologne around any hive. But please don't skimp on deodorant > in the summer... A few stings are worth it to the ones around you. > as for africanization... get used to it...they are here. They've been raising > them in Mexico for years now... The only side effect pay more attention to what > you're doing and the state of the bees attitude...and a really BIG smoker;) > Anyway if there are africanized bees in you're area requeening wouldn't > neccesarily help because she still has to mate... Africanized traits are always > dominant no matter which one has them. My conclusion...don't worry about it til > they chase you for about a mile. Then consider snuffing the queen, I've got > hives I would swear were wearing rings through their noses, but I still love em > anyway. Bees are Bees my friend. Love em for who they are;) > > The dedicated Beekeeper;) > > Robert Williamson > silversail@aol.com > > "A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" If you didn't buy bred queens for the new hives then there is the possiblity that the new queens mated with AHB drones. Therefore the workers might have an attitude problem or they could simply dislike your cologne. Consider buying queens that have already been bred from suppliers and requeen the hives that have unmarked queens. Right now, and I'm in the middle of AHB territory, we requeen yearly to prevent the possibility of crossing. We won't split a hive until the new queen has been shipped. I still mow the grass around the hives and have yet to be stung while either mowing or working the hives (knock on wood but not on the hive). But then again I don't wear cologne either.. Susan Article 11242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:49:45 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11242 I am interested in information about how to detect Varroa mites in field bees or if these mites just stay on nurse bees in the hive. I know the location of at least one easily monitored wild hive which has been apparently very healthy for at least three years in the Golden, Colorado area and I am interested in attempting to determine if this wild hive has any natural resistance to Varroa or simply has not been exposed yet. I am also interested finding and monitoring some wild hives for natural varroa resistance. The problem is that most tests for varroa all specify to take bees from brood comb, yet with wild hives it is very difficult to do this. Would I be wasting my time to collect and monitor field bees leaving or returning from the entrance of this and similar hives? How many bees would be necessary to reasonably be expected to detect mites if any are present? Brian Allen ballen@mines.edu Article 11243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized???? Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:22:02 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <19980226162201.LAA28463@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11243 >Recently, while out rototilling in the yard (25-30 ft from the hives) >one of the little hellions zapped me on the ear. A couple of days >later, I was out (minding my own business, no motors) another one zapped >me. One...How far were you from the hives when you got stung...Were you in thier flight path? Yes a cologne could definitelt trigger that kind of response. It's best to go without cologne around any hive. But please don't skimp on deodorant in the summer... A few stings are worth it to the ones around you. as for africanization... get used to it...they are here. They've been raising them in Mexico for years now... The only side effect pay more attention to what you're doing and the state of the bees attitude...and a really BIG smoker;) Anyway if there are africanized bees in you're area requeening wouldn't neccesarily help because she still has to mate... Africanized traits are always dominant no matter which one has them. My conclusion...don't worry about it til they chase you for about a mile. Then consider snuffing the queen, I've got hives I would swear were wearing rings through their noses, but I still love em anyway. Bees are Bees my friend. Love em for who they are;) The dedicated Beekeeper;) Robert Williamson silversail@aol.com "A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 11244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: the GREEN SEASON - the GREEN SEASON.txt (1/1) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:19:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34f687f5.43583467@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.10 Lines: 151 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11244 begin 644 the GREEN SEASON.txt M#0H-"E1H92!'4D5%3B!314%33TX-"D9E8G)U87)Y(#(V+"`Q.3DX#0I,;W,@ M0F%N;W,L($-A;&EF;W)N:6$-"@T*#0I)=',@=&AE($=R965N(%-E87-O;B!I M;B!#86QI9F]R;FEA+"!W92!O;FQY(&AA=F4@82!B65A<@T*2=S+"!A;F0@:6X@9F%C="!T:&4@9FER6]U(&QE879E+"!B=70N+B!! 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I am giving a talk on observation hives in a few months time to a group of eminent beekeepers. To keep it light I would like to have some amusing observation hive stories to tell during the talk. I have a few myself. If anyone could relate any interesting or funny stories to me or/and the news group I would be most grateful. It does not matter how long ago or third party these stories are, so long as the are believed to be true. Thanks in advance of your efforts, Graham. Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 11246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!neptunium.btinternet.com!host5-99-50-55.btinternet.com!user From: "Richard Wiltshire" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and vandals (formerly bees and horses) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:03:20 +0000 Organization: ÃP Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-99-50-55.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11246 Thank you to everyone who has offered advice on keeping bees near horses. One problem this advice has thrown up is that vandals may disturb the hives, creating a much greater risk to the horses and their riders. Leaving aside the horses for a while, can I ask for advice on the more general questions: 1. Has anyone had experience of hives being vandalised (by people that is, not by horses)? 2. With what consequences for persons and creatures other than the bee-keeper and the bees? 3. What have you done to protect your hives against further vandalism? 4. Has it worked thus far? I hope it will be possible to build the best defensive measures into the design for the proposed teaching apiary at Darenth Country Park. Please note that the general public will have full and unregulated access to areas in immediate proximity to the apiary. Richard Wiltshire Chair: QED Allotments Group Dartford UK Richard.Wiltshire@btinternet.com Article 11247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd3d6c$b3876880$9b9bfacd@default> <34f4c279.174850353@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Mice in Hives Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:18:34 -0000 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-240.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <34f579f8.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-240.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11247 John Caldeira wrote in message <34f4c279.174850353@news.earthlink.net>... >"Jeff and Dee-anne" wrote: >>The bees had lots of food and it appeared that the mouse had killed them. > >Jeff, bees will normally kill a mouse if it interferes with the >wintering bee cluster. Mice may build a nest in the hive and live >contently, but I think your bees died from something else. Mites, >perhaps? > But mice will eat honey, and pollen (and brood, if they are hungry enough), thereby starving the colony. Article 11248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re :Forum Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:12:55 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bd42d1$901c1700$adb6fcc1@toshiba> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-173.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11248 Try the addresses below ------------------------------------------------------------------- (\ {((O8< (/ Gilles RATIA Consultant Apicole International Webmestre de la "Première Galerie Virtuelle Apicole au Monde" APISERVICES Groupe de Recherche et d'Assistance dans la Coopération Apicole "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Téléphone : 05 53 05 91 13 (ou +33 5 53 05 91 13 depuis l'étranger) Mobile : 06.07.68.49.39 (ou +33 6 07 68 49 39 depuis l'étranger) Télécopie : 05 53 04 44 57 (ou +33 5 53 05 44 57 depuis l'étranger) Email : webmaster@apiservices.com http://www.apiservices.com http://www.apiculture.com http://beekeeping.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 11249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Tax Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:10:59 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34f62d5a.35847299@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.246.227 Lines: 122 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.246.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11249 *FYI* Ripped off the B-List At 07:16 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > My friend Troy Fore said..... >I have resisted posting replies to some of the off-the-wall comments on >the proposal to expand the Honey Board because of the title of the BEE-L: >>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:26:10 EST >>From: Hervey Heywood >>Subject: 2 cent board..... >..... pushed my button too hard. He posted, on behalf of Joe Rowland: >Briefly, under the proposal, producers (and importers) will continue to >pay 1-cent, but packers will now also pay 1-cent. Should they continue to >get off without paying? I just wonder who is getting off with what, and who is paying what, if the producer pays and the packer pays, it looks to me like maybe it's the producer who is going to be paying and paying and then the question becomes paying for what, deeper pile in the carpets? >The increased regulation will be in the form of keeping malefactors from >diluting their honey with corn syrup and gaining an unfair advantage over >everyone else The last time I checked this was well covered under the Federal, and State Rules, Regulations, and Laws we have today. Maybe if there is a problem the appropriate Federal or State agency should be consulted. Surely the additional taxing of one's self should not make a difference when it comes to law enforcement. >not to mention risking the reputation legitimate honey >producers and packers have nurtured over the centuries. Why would this risk be different by taxing beekeepers more or less? Maybe if Opra gets hold of some of that bad honey she will do a show on how bad beekeepers are mis-treating their bees but that's not new news as anyone who uses the Internet can find out in a short session of searching, > An important part of the proposal mandates the Honey Board spends *at >least* 8% of its >annual revenues for beekeeping research. Not honey marketing research -- >not new product research -- *beekeeping* research. Under the proposal 8% >would be about $500,000. That is nice and I can guarantee that all well be spent, and all will be back for more, as beekeeping research funding is the original black hole. If anyone can name 10 useful beekeeping tools, management schemes, PC software, or any other useful beekeeping advancement recognized and used by a bare majority of US beekeepers as being the product of so called "public funded" beekeeping" research in the last 20 or even 30 years I will do my best to match the $500,000. myself. I am sure all of this pie in the sky "beekeeping" research money will end up replacing tax payer funded programs and I am for that but not if I have to replace it with my own limited funds after writing that big $500,000 check I am a little short. >There is no way the beekeepers can lose control of the Honey Board. >Producer members have to hold 50% of the seats. The proposal has been >endorsed by American Beekeeping Federation, American Honey Producers >Association, National Honey Packers and Dealers Association, and Sioux >Honey Association. Except for the honey Packers and Stealers I have over the years belonged to all of the above and there endorsement of new taxes, new regulations, and new ways to spend the other guys money is well known to those in the beekeeping industry. Its sad but true that what they say about proposed laws has not always turned out to be the way it is was in the real world. >Finally, it will have to endorsed by the assessment-paying members of the >industry before it goes into effect. The legislation in Congress simply >lets it come to a vote of the industry. Ask yourself: Why don't the >opponents want to allow the industry to vote on the proposal? After a >thorough airing at the ABF Convention, it was endorsed unanimously. >Let's let the people who will be paying the bill decide. Maybe there is a reason why these things are political and not left up to the heavy weights in the bee industry alone to decide, at least the so called opposition or better put the "minority" gets a voice when it comes to Congress in the USA and you don't even have to be a honey producer. I think it's called Democrazy or something like that. If all the above organizations have all this industry support then why even have a government program? If together we all truly believe then there is no reason to involve the government to spend anyone's money other then our own and we would not have to read the "off the wall" comments of any beekeepers. IMHO, I honestly believe that their is little fiscal justification for even the mandatory honey money that is spent now and because of it private label promotion is greatly retarded in the US, and national brand recognition is held by one label...SUE BEE, and they can't compete with the importers and the generic honey promotion which is not fair as they have to pay the same and then pay to promote their own domestic production and label. ttul, the OLd Drone "If your crop doesn't come in, swim out to it!" El Nino >If you want more information, check out the ABF website: abfnet.org or >contact me for more information. >Troy Fore >Executive Director >American Beekeeping Federation >P.O. Box 1038, Jesup, GA 31598-1038 >Ph. 912-427-4233 Fax 912-427-8447 >Email: troyfore@abfnet.org >Home Page: http://www.abfnet.org (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sahart.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "shaun" <shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping events Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:24:03 -0000 Message-ID: <888567872.23539.0.nnrp-03.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sahart.demon.co.uk [194.222.11.251] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11250 This just appeared an empty posting to me. Did anyone get anything? Article 11251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <888567872.23539.0.nnrp-03.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping events Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:41:02 -0000 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-212.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <34f69e65.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-212.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11251 shaun shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk> < wrote in message <888567872.23539.0.nnrp-03.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk>... >This just appeared an empty posting to me. Did anyone get anything? > Nothing at my 'end', either. Article 11252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:18:36 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:15604 sci.agriculture:24001 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11252 sci.agriculture.poultry:4632 sci.agriculture.fruit:1500 sci.med.nutrition:86512 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Tax Date: 27 Feb 1998 23:17:22 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6d7hi2$1166$1@node17.frontiernet.net> References: <34f62d5a.35847299@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-40.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11253 Andy Nachbaur wrote in message <34f62d5a.35847299@news.jps.net>... >> An important part of the proposal mandates the Honey Board spends *at >>least* 8% of its > >>annual revenues for beekeeping research. Not honey marketing research -- >>not new product research -- *beekeeping* research. Under the proposal 8% >>would be about $500,000. > >That is nice and I can guarantee that all well be spent, and all will >be back for more, as beekeeping research funding is the original black >hole. If anyone can name 10 useful beekeeping tools, management >schemes, PC software, or any other useful beekeeping advancement >recognized and used by a bare majority of US beekeepers as being the >product of so called "public funded" beekeeping" research in the last >20 or even 30 years I will do my best to match the $500,000. myself. I >am sure all of this pie in the sky "beekeeping" research money will >end up replacing tax payer funded programs and I am for that but not >if I have to replace it with my own limited funds after writing that >big $500,000 check I am a little short. Does Bill Wilson's work on Terramycin extender patties fall within the guidlines you set forth above Andy? Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 11254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping events Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:05:00 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4EBF1BAsS190EwXw@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <888567872.23539.0.nnrp-03.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk> <34f69e65.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11254 In article <34f69e65.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, Kidney John writes > >shaun shaun@sahart.demon.co.uk> < wrote in message ><888567872.23539.0.nnrp-03.c2de0bfb@news.demon.co.uk>... >>This just appeared an empty posting to me. Did anyone get anything? >> >Nothing at my 'end', either. Strange, I can pick it up alright. Try copying and pasting: http://www.tomsp8.demon.co.uk It got me through straight away to Furness beekeepers homepage item 2 in the list of matchings. The link is from the homepage to Furness BKA News with links from either to the calendar page. I'll be interested to know if you still can't connect. Thanks -- Tom http://www. tomsp8.demon.co.uk Article 11255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carniolans Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:26:57 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34F78401.964FFC3@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 13114@205.162.101.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11255 Just wondering if someone could tell me the differences, (temperment etc..), between "New World Carniolan" and "Old World Carniolan" Thanks Article 11256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The more the merrier? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:46:14 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34F78886.28CBC40F@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 7424@205.162.101.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11256 I'm about to be able to say I've been keeping bees for a year now. Last spring I started with a pound and half and I think by winter they were almost to the "add a third box" stage. I didn't, however, get any honey. I'm getting the urge to start another hive going. My question is, (I know,,FINALLY!), if I were to get, say three pounds of bees, this year, ya think I would get honey before year end? Any down sides to getting more bees at the start? Thanks Jer