Article 22527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: newbie question Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Message-ID: <01bf51bc$140f1ee0$4ea24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:18:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.78 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 946444692 198.76.162.78 (Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:18:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:18:12 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22527 Hello Jen, I believe that the longer you mess around with this, the more you will notice that many beekeepers don't do much "by the book". They tend to talk a lot about the book, but just keep your eyes open. The supers still being on could have several explanations. The guy just might be lazy, he might not have anywhere to store them to keep the dreaded wax moth out etc. I've left 'em on but usually move the inner cover down to the top of the brood nest. I try never to leave them on however, as they get full of condensation and tend to mold where I am. Welcome to the fold and best of luck this spring. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Please remove nospam from my return address Jenn C wrote in article ... > My question would be to keepers in northern areas. All the books I have > read state that for winter you need to Article 22528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Record keeping for beekeeping Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:14:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <84cteh$ksr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <385C8779.FEBAC046@uniserve.com> <38699B9E.BFD03CE1@uniserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Dec 29 12:14:42 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.189 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22528 > > BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > > Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. > > > Thank you for the Tips, the Bee-L archive at the site mentioned > below was very helpful. It indicates that the Beekeep information > gathered comes in many forms and that lots of the information is > collected voluntarily. Still researching the information within this > site....; > There have been a lot of efforts put into the record keeping industry > ,according to the archives, but no real rewarding returns. This is > what it feels like after spending multiple seasons record keeping > and then storing the information into the breifcase until the > following season. That's the truth. We spend a great deal of time collecting and recording information. Much of it is never used. Sometimes that is because we changed our minds, sometimes because we ran out of time or interest or because anticipated problems never materialized Nonetheless, information is power and we would rather have too much than too little. The best methods we have found is the use of a spreadsheet, the use of diagrams with notes attached, and the placement of bricks on hives. We also write on the hives with a marker or staple notes onto the front using a common desk stapler. In the first case, we use an Excel spreadsheet as discussed for an overview, alternately, we sometimes draw a diagram (map) of our outfit on a large poster paper (There are 80 or so yards spread over 100 miles or so) and write the current info on clingers by each yard and/or we draw a diagram of each yard and make notes by each hive in the drawing. Which method works best depends on the time of year and the activities underway. No method works perfectly, but they all have their place. allen -- Allen Dick ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.mad.ttd.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:45:41 +0000 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 46 Message-ID: <386A0275.6CEA9166@islapro.com> References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip249.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22529 Thank you for the advise. I am a bit "aficionado" to the botany, currently I am studying the "meliferous" qualities of the: Eucalyptus bicolor (Mirtaceae) Evodia danielli (Rutaceae) Phacelia tanacetifolia (Hydrophyllaceae) As per this Eucalyptus (tree) it is suppose to bloom in July, August & September, and it is extremely meliferous. This three was chosen from a meliferous chart of over 50 varieties of Eucalyptus by the F.A.O (United Nations) 1.982. We will keep no more than 10 plants. Evodia, we purchased some seeds from a beekeeping assoc. in Penna. last year, and again it suppose to bloom in June, July and August. I noticed over and over the qualities of the species, so now I have about 40 growing and hope to be able to document it over our climate. And as per the Phacelia, it is a bit similar to the "cleaver", it is a cultivar. As per my studies is the top meliferous of an annual plant. The first year I will planting just 1/2 acre. My objective is to document and obtain 200 Lb.. per hive year, over a period five years. I am doing this project like a final dissertation, everything documented, photographed, logged... and shared with the other beekeepers here in Mallorca, Spain, Europe. Charlie Kroeger wrote: > You should be very careful and talk to someone in the proper field of > discipline in the area you are planning to introduce these new plants. > Just bringing in new plant species in your area because they do > something desirable in a country thousands of miles away, can be very > irresponsible; the planet is groaning under problems like that; flora > and fauna being transported around and outside their natural place of > development into other areas can devastate more delicate species in > situ. > > You really should consider the new and growing awareness regarding this > and think about the implications of a "planet of weeds." > > C.K. Article 22530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:53:05 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <386a0344.136313965@news.ncweb.com> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22530 On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:55:36 -0500, "Jenn C" wrote: . With one exception all the hives we have seen have as >many as 5 supers stacked. could it be that these beekeepers are using 5 medium sized supers in stead of the 2 full-sized hive bodies. One of the beekeepers in my area does this so he only has to buy one size box and one size frames. Pat Article 22531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Could this possibly be! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf543e$03aae460$23a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 09:53:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.35 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 946720402 198.76.162.35 (Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:53:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:53:22 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22531 The first post of the new millenium? All you snow puppies up there, don't get upset but here the temp is supposed to be 60 today and the beekeeping year will start for me as I begin with a dose of Apistan and grease. Thanks to all for the company over the last year and I'll be looking forward to many more with "Y'all". ( That last was for Kevin) -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Please remove nospam from my return address Article 22532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone getting out of the Queen rearing business Message-ID: <386e2a20.242761828@news.usenetserver.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 4 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 11:21:34 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 16:24:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22532 I though I would start raising queens this year .. anyone have unused equipment they want to part with? Dave Article 22533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dave Subject: Re: How To Become a Successful Beekeeper Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.religion.kibology Message-ID: <098c81cc.9ab0dc45@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 252 X-Originating-Host: 12.10.126.6 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology References: <82uuac$h21$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eHhddXRtKmArPG1meCtZcmtveDNybj8uLCY5KiEiMGohMG4= Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:20:00 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.16 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 946758453 10.0.2.16 (Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:27:33 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:27:33 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22533 alt.religion.kibology:228739 I love it.... I have completed you're course. Please send the diploma as soon as possible. Dave * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <386E675D.E3B1DF5D@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First winter - overwintering question (TN/USA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 14:45:17 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.95 X-Trace: news2.mco 946759524 209.214.198.95 (Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:45:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:45:24 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22534 We have had a very mild fall and winter here in the Memphis, Tennessee, USA area. Today with the temperature almost 70 deg. F I went out to check the stores in my 2 hives of Italian bees. Each hive is made of 2 deep bodies which were very heavy and almost totally filled with honey at the end of my first season. Anyway, while checking today both hives still felt very heavy. My question is about one of the hives. I pulled the outer cover off of the hive to look down into the hole in the inner cover. The bees seemed to be right there at the top of the 2nd story looking up at me as I took off the outer cover. I was expecting to see very few or none of the girls. Does this mean that the bees have already eaten their way to the top? The hive was still quite heavy. I would estimate that it weighed more than 50 pounds. Do I need to begin feeding? I had planned to begin feeding 1-to-1 sugar syrup at the middle of February for buildup stimulation in anticipation of our short spring flow. The USDA last frost date is April 15 around here and I want the hives to be ready for it by April 1. Our state extension bulletin doesn't even mention hive body reversal until March. But I'm still concerned about the girls I saw at the top today. Should I worry? Thanks, Bill Daniels Collierville, TN USA Article 22535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT - consealing e-mail id Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:09:29 -0800 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <84e1e5$s3n$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.34 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 946505989 28791 12.72.50.34 (29 Dec 1999 22:19:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Dec 1999 22:19:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22535 Sorry for the off topic. I am setting up Netscape (Communicator 4.08) for my sister in law (she won't support Bill Gates). All done except I can't see where you can have a phoney e-mail id for news. Unlike MS Outlook, it looks to me like the NS Message Center uses the same settings for mail and news. Am I missing something? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Article 22536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!195.224.165.20.MISMATCH!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dave Subject: paint the inside ??? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 217 X-Originating-Host: 12.10.126.6 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eOXA6Onwt/22ofD75bbE7/by5a7v86Kzsbukt7y/rfe8rfM= Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 13:38:19 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.16 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 946762923 10.0.2.16 (Sat, 01 Jan 2000 13:42:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 13:42:03 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22536 Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ? Thanks Dave * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jan 2000 00:33:55 GMT References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22537 From: dave davesNOdaSPAM@cadp.org.invalid >Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ? Yes. Absolutely. There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted surfaces therefore hives should not be painted on the inside. This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted the insides can tell you. The bees may or may not add their own varnish, according to their preference. But painting hives on both sides equalizes the transfer of water vapor, and prevents much of the warping that occurs with woodneware. Paint does not stop water movement, and will NOT prevent rot any more than unpainted wood. But I have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've seen warps so bad that it pulled nails on woodenware only painted on one side. To prevent rot, make sure that there is no longstanding moisture on the wood, whether painted or not. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Stan Wyler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Honey Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:07:00 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <84m1ae$90d2$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nycmbb02-43.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 946768014 688673 209.254.11.43 (1 Jan 2000 23:06:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2000 23:06:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22538 Hello all - happy new year! I have a some goldenrod honey that I would like to feed back to my hives due to its undesireable qualities(smells and has crystalized). Should it be diluted with water in the same proportions as sugar? Thanks - Stan Article 22543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Dec 1999 17:29:12 GMT References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991229122912.01153.00000607@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22543 >We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) >We have two children and would like to know what medicine >to keep on hand. Our children have never been stung so we >do not know what reactions they will have. We would rather >be safe than sorry. As others have mentioned Benedryl is handy to reduce swelling. Give child sized doses thought. Epipens have been mentioned, but true allergic reactions are much rarer than the common mythology. One of my boys had almost no reaction, the other swelled quite a bit at first, but then got over it. But swelling is quite normal, particularly if stung on the face. Try to keep them in a veil, and teach them NEVER to pull it off, if a bee gets inside, as my eldest son once did... > Also, are there any dangers of feeding >sugar water to our bees in the winter. We were given 2 old >hives that have hardly any stores. Thanks Connie & Mike You don't say where you are and that makes a BIG difference in management, so please state location. You need to see if you have a decent cluster, before trying to feed. If the cluster has already dwindled, they aren't worth it. Fresh bees can easily be restocked in the spring and will outproduce ones that have been nursed thru winter and barely survived. If the cluster is still the size of a basketball, by all means get sugar to them right away. Thin syrup is not a good idea in the northern USA, as they are already having trouble removing the moisture from condensation. Make a 1 1/2 to two inch feeder rim, remove cover, place rim on top of the hive, lay a newspaper in it and fill with dry sugar. Then the moisture from their respiration will soak the paper and make it mighty tasty to them. They will lap us the sweetness, and after awhile chew thru the paper. The sugar, now hardened, will provide a good feed for them for several weeks. When it is mostly consumed, renew the paper and sugar. You need a good "crash" course in beekeeping. Try this one: http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1045-w.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inbreeding of queens Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.237.115 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 946789525 212.151.237.115 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 06:05:25 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 06:05:25 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-237-115.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 06:06:02 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22544 Hi everybody and a Happy New Year from me too! I've read somewhere, that inbreeding can cause dronelaying queens. Can someone explain to me what happens genetically? Doris Article 22545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 05:35:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <84mn7c$3sn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.204 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 02 05:35:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.204 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22545 > There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted > surfaces therefore hives should not be painted on the inside. > > This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted > the insides can tell you. The bees may or may not add their > own varnish, according to their preference.... But I > have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've > seen warps so bad that it pulled nails on woodenware only > painted on one side. Most beekeepers do not paint their hive bodies inside. Although they often paint the floors inside surface, they do not normally paint the lids or inner covers inside either. Although I have had hive bodies and supers that are painted inside and they were very nice that way, we do not make it a practice to paint new ones we build. It is a lot of extra work, unless you dip the supers. I believe that if you plan to dip, a special paint is available that does not look too bad. The biggest concern, if you decide to paint, is to use a paint that is non-toxic, and to dry and air it well before installing bees. allen ---- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inbreeding of queens Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:56:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <84ngtg$hso$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22546 "STIG HANSSON" wrote: >Hi everybody and a Happy New Year from me too! >I've read somewhere, that inbreeding can cause dronelaying queens. Can >someone explain to me what happens genetically? >Doris Inbreeding cause the mathing of the sex alleles. When these match the eggs do not hatch. Thus, rather than being a drone layer (which only have one set of chromosomes) only the drones hatch. The worker eggs are removed since they don't hatch and it appears that she is a drone layer. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <386F58FC.8BB09249@nospam.visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First winter - overwintering question (TN/USA) References: <386E675D.E3B1DF5D@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:57:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:57:30 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22547 "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" wrote: > > We have had a very mild fall and winter here in the Memphis, Tennessee, > USA area. Today with the temperature almost 70 deg. F > > Anyway, while checking today both hives still felt very heavy. > I pulled the outer cover off of the > hive to look down into the hole in the inner cover. The bees seemed to > be right there at the top of the 2nd story looking up at me as I took > off the outer cover. I was expecting to see very few or none of the > girls. > > Does this mean that the bees have already eaten their way to the top? > The hive was still quite heavy. > > > > Bill Daniels > Collierville, TN USA Bill, We are getting the same warm temps now too. Don't be too concerned about the girls at the top. The bees will not be clustered at 70 deg. that tight where they will not be all over the hive bodies. The true test is the weight. You could open them up at 70 deg. and look at the frames as well. If you are worried, add a bag of sugar on top of the inner cover. If they don't need it they won't take. It sounds as if you go through the periodic warming periods the same as we do here. There is plenty of opportunity for them to break cluster and get it. I have a 5 frame nuc that is not sharing heat. They have as much food now as at the end of the aster flow. I haven't fed them. Bringing pollen and nectar in and handled well with no smoke. I'm using them as an indicator as my health is insufficient to lift anything since surgery in Oct. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Article 22548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Could this possibly be! Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:51:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <84ngjh$hso$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <01bf543e$03aae460$23a24cc6@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22548 "Ernie Scofield" wrote: >The first post of the new millenium? >All you snow puppies up there, don't get upset but here the temp is >supposed to be 60 today and the beekeeping year will start for me as I >begin with a dose of Apistan and grease. >Thanks to all for the company over the last year and I'll be looking >forward to many more with "Y'all". ( That last was for Kevin) >-- >Ernie Scofield >Virginia Beach, Virginia USA It's about the same here in Southern Maryland. Of course we're buffered by the same bay. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: double queen setup Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 09:11:44 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <84npv8$q8s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h4-9.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 946826024 26908 208.220.141.9 (2 Jan 2000 15:13:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 15:13:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22549 Can anyone tell me how to arrange a double queen hive. I guess i am wanting to know how to set it up preacher Article 22550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee-tv/web site Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:01:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22550 nova on pbs airs "tales from the hive" on tuesday jan.4,y2k...check out their web site: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bees/ Article 22551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "JOHN KASSINGER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: purifying small amount of beeswax Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 12:46:09 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: <84o2fv$ge2$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.aa.53 X-Server-Date: 2 Jan 2000 17:39:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22551 Anybody have a system of purifying a small amount of cappings? My family want's to make candles. Jack Article 22553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <84ngtg$hso$2@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: SV: Inbreeding of queens Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.166.163 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 946845659 212.151.166.163 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:40:59 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:40:59 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-166-163.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:41:38 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22553 Thanks for info on queens, Greg! About the address to bee venom therapy you gave me: I tried to get into that http://www.beesting.com , but there's nothing. I also asked Verio support and they said they "appreciated my patience". Unfortunately I'm not THAT patient (that was 3-4 weeks ago!) Do you know anything else I could have a look at??? Doris Article 22554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: purifying small amount of beeswax Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 22:49:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <84ojm1$58m$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <84o2fv$ge2$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22554 "JOHN KASSINGER" wrote: >Anybody have a system of purifying a small amount of cappings? My family >want's to make candles. >Jack Put them in a small cylindrical pot with some water. Heat it in a water bath in an old crock pot. Let it stay hot for 24 hrs. This allow the particulate to sink to the bottom of the wax. Not boiling just hot. Then turn off the crock pot and let it cool for another day. You should be able to slam the pot upside down and dislodge the wax. Scrape off the bottom until you have pure wax. A good candle wax is 51% beeswax, 48+-% parafin, and 1-2% steric acid. They burn very bright and do not drip too bad. Have fun and do none of this in the wife's kitchen! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: double queen setup Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:31:49 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <84on4i$lrm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <84npv8$q8s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 946855890 22390 209.130.165.33 (2 Jan 2000 23:31:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 23:31:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22555 Set it up the same way you do a split. Then separate the hives with a two-queen divider (can't think of the name of it at the moment). --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <84npv8$q8s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >Can anyone tell me how to arrange a double queen hive. I guess i am wanting >to know how to set it up >preacher > > Article 22556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: purifying small amount of beeswax Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jan 2000 23:44:39 GMT References: <84o2fv$ge2$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000102184439.22021.00000687@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22556 From: "JOHN KASSINGER" Jack18@popd.ix.netcom.com@ix.netcom.com >Anybody have a system of purifying a small amount of cappings? My family >want's to make candles. Wash cappings of all honey in a collander or similar device. Using a double boiler (preferably a disposable one, because cleaning it will be next to impossible), gently heat (with careful attention to prevent boilover and fire), together with water and a little vinegar (to prevent the calcium in most tap water from ruining the wax), until the wax is melted and is floating on top of the water. Use corning glass or stainless steel to prevent darkening the wax. Most metals will chemically combine with the wax; iron is the worst. Carefully pour thru a disposable fabric filter (we use organdy) to filter out large contaminants, into a tapered mold (we use teflon coated baking pans). If the mold is not tapered, the wax may be very difficult to remove. As you pour off the wax from the top of the water, also pour a little of the water, which will help in getting the mold to release. Let the block harden and remove from the pan. Cut or scrape off the thin layer of sediment at the line between water and wax, which becomes entrapped in the wax. You now have a fairly clean block. You may have some traces of contaminants that will float on the top of the wax, and they may need scraping/trimming also. Use extreme care; wax is very flamable. Keep a good fire extinguisher handy, and never go off to answer the phone, while you are heating wax. (I have had a wax fire, and know whereof I speak.) Spills are difficult to clean, and spills in the kitchen can precipitate divorces... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help identifying a bee Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jan 2000 23:54:18 GMT References: <386F128E.16AEED3B@keelynet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000102185418.22021.00000691@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22557 >which I think is a >bumblebee, I would certainly appreciate if someone here can >identify it. I would tend to agree with you, although the photo is not real clear. There are some syriphid flies that imitate bumblebees. They generally hover, rather than land in the flower, though. It appears that you have baited the bumbler with a drop of honey. It does, work, though it is a good way to spread bee diseases. This list mostly deals with honeybees (which this definitely is not); you might want to try a more appropriate forum. You could try the bombus (bumblebee) list. Access to that can be found thru the Alternative Pollinators section at the page below. Dave Green The Pollination Home Page http://pollinator.com Article 22558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: purifying small amount of beeswax Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jan 2000 23:54:54 GMT References: <84o2fv$ge2$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000102185454.22408.00000672@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22558 Melt over water with some white vinegar added. Pour through a piece of old t shirt or sweat shirt material fuzzy side up. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone getting out of the Queen rearing business Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jan 2000 00:11:36 GMT References: <386e2a20.242761828@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000102191136.22021.00000698@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22559 >I though I would start raising queens this year .. anyone have unused >equipment they want to part with? I recall seeing mating boxes on Morris Weaver's list, the last time I looked at it. To get his list, call 409-825-7714 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Inbreeding of queens Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 22:55:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <84ok1b$58m$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <84ngtg$hso$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22560 "STIG HANSSON" wrote: >Thanks for info on queens, Greg! >About the address to bee venom therapy you gave me: I tried to get into that >http://www.beesting.com , but there's nothing. I also asked Verio support >and they said they "appreciated my patience". Unfortunately I'm not THAT >patient (that was 3-4 weeks ago!) Do you know anything else I could have a >look at??? >Doris Yes they have changed their address. Just go to my home page and click on related sites. They have a link there that works. My daughter maintains my webpage listed in my signature. I didn't realize they had a new URL.. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:51:35 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <387000A7.C59A1F39@netnitco.net> References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> <84mn7c$3sn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-2-154.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 946864847 10959 216.176.149.154 (3 Jan 2000 02:00:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2000 02:00:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22561 Can you coat the entire super with Cuprinol (sic) copper naphthate. I bought some a Menards today. I thought that i saw a beekeeper coat all his woodenware with it. Just wondering because I'm going to start to cut out my supers tomarrow night. I didn't last year. Allen Dick wrote: > > There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted > > surfaces therefore hives should not be painted on the inside. > > > > This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted > > the insides can tell you. The bees may or may not add their > > own varnish, according to their preference.... But I > > have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've > > seen warps so bad that it pulled nails on woodenware only > > painted on one side. > > Most beekeepers do not paint their hive bodies inside. Although they > often paint the floors inside surface, they do not normally paint the > lids or inner covers inside either. Although I have had hive bodies > and supers that are painted inside and they were very nice that way, we > do not make it a practice to paint new ones we build. It is a lot of > extra work, unless you dip the supers. > > I believe that if you plan to dip, a special paint is available that > does not look too bad. > > The biggest concern, if you decide to paint, is to use a paint that is > non-toxic, and to dry and air it well before installing bees. > > allen > > ---- > See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions > BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 22562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dave Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0146ce5a.9b3b2e80@usw-ex0101-002.remarq.com> Lines: 15 Bytes: 627 X-Originating-Host: 209.74.174.99 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> <84mn7c$3sn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387000A7.C59A1F39@netnitco.net> X-Wren-Trace: eGJHb253MHoxJnd8YjFDaHF1YilodCU0NT40LzwiNXM6MGw6NQ== Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:33:53 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.2 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 946870656 10.0.2.2 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:37:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:37:36 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22562 It is recommended that you coat your woodenware with copper napthanate - then let it dry - and then paint the super. I just painted quite a bit of wood with cooper napthanate. I would recomend painting it after cutting it out but before assembling the supers or hives. It takes a while to dry if it is cool outside. Thanks for the info about painting the inside of the hives. I think I'll go ahead and paint the inside of mine with some outdoor latex paint. Dave * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First winter - overwintering question (TN/USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jan 2000 04:37:46 GMT References: <386F58FC.8BB09249@nospam.visi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000102233746.05334.00001203@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22563 I understand if the bees are mobile at 70 degrees. But what if you find them clustered under the inner cover at 40 degrees (in eastern Mass.). I had left a whole extra deep super on top of a cordovan colony (from a feral swarm), so you can imagine my surprise when opening my 3-deep supers hive on Jan. 1 and finding the basket-ball size cluster just under the inner cover. I robbed some other hives that had extra honey to fill a 4th super that I added on top. Article 22564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3870A008.E637E0D2@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First winter - overwintering question (TN/USA) References: <386F58FC.8BB09249@nospam.visi.net> <20000102233746.05334.00001203@ng-ce1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:12:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp11.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 08:12:57 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22564 Yeah I would be surprised at that too, especially if the top 2 were full of food. How heavy was the hive? Sometimes they will eat their way up the middle or if the cluster is large enough where the queen will lay a small strip up the center of the box. If the temperature reaches 40 deg F periodically it should allow them to maneuver the cluster enough to move towards honey stored in the outside frames. If the colony was light they must be eating. Empty a 5 lb bag of sugar on top of the inner cover. An easy way to ensure plenty of food if you have a large colony. I always keep a bucket of sugar in my truck. Cheap easy and effective. Ernie Schofield in VA Beach taught me that trick. The biggest thing is to remember the first year all beekeepers are a ball of worry. Since it is the first winter, it is impossible to know what is normal. Winters seem harsh and it is tough to grasp that they can survive in unheated conditions. If you treated with apistan and are relatively mite free, have plenty of food, there is enough ventilation at the top for water vapor to release, they will do fine. Do what you must to relieve your worries without disturbing them too much. We've all been there. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA JMitc1014 wrote: > > I understand if the bees are mobile at 70 degrees. But what if you find them > clustered under the inner cover at 40 degrees (in eastern Mass.). I had left a > whole extra deep super on top of a cordovan colony (from a feral swarm), so you > can imagine my surprise when opening my 3-deep supers hive on Jan. 1 and > finding the basket-ball size cluster just under the inner cover. I robbed some > other hives that had extra honey to fill a 4th super that I added on top. Article 22565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.159.255.21!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!james From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:02:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4PErrSATOqb4Ewn+@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> <386D08D0.504EED06@islapro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946910423 nnrp-13:7279 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 56 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22565 In article <386D08D0.504EED06@islapro.com>, islapro writes >the bees produce honey in the winter months, and in they have three regular >harvest per year: >rosmarinus from November until April. >carub trees from October to December >almond in January >prunes in February >citrus (orange) March and April >fig tree (the fruits= figs) September > >the problem is July, August and September > >only the wild asparagus flower and produce in August and September, >depending if we get summer rains, >so I am trying to feel the gap. > >As per the botanical implication, my main interest is in botany and second >beekeeping. >I produced the flowering charts for the several areas which serve as a guide >to the beekeepers. I think we all have a problem with our bees if we want them to produce honey all the year round. In an ideal world, at least in my ideal world, our bees are adapted to the area we live in. Their egg laying, foraging and storing habits are instincts passed on genetically, therefore by selection over, in most cases, millennia. So they adapt to a particular environment. I don't know if honeybees are native to your islands. If so, the best advice I can give is to select and rear from your best stock; try to persuade other beekeepers to do the same if they don't already and give them more of the *indigenous* bee plants. If you add foreign forage plants then you are asking the bees to change their behaviour to give you a better harvest. You are also asking the environment to adapt to your needs too at some cost. The bees will certainly go for the new unexpected forage but there will be an unpredictable price to pay. I suggest planting the best Mediterranean species you can think of, which will give nectar flows over the September to April period and enhance your existing flows. Remember too, that planting new species will take up space that could be occupied by indigenous plants. If bees are not indigenous, then the race and strain you rear need to be acquired from somewhere with a similar climate. Presumably Spanish or Italian bees would be right but I imagine it would be quite easy to match your climate very well even though it is an island. I would be interested to hear how others think about the inter-related problems of bee race, forage, environment and conservation, bearing in mind that many of the world's honey producing countries do not have indigenous honeybees at all and must therefore select one or other of the many non-native races for their purposes. I wonder how many problems have been created by selecting "the wrong race" or strain and indeed by introducing additional competition for resources from the honey bee. -- James Kilty Article 22566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newshub.bart.net!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:42:48 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946633846 nnrp-09:11679 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22566 In article <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com>, islapro writes >In New Zealand they cultivated Manuka, a "brush" very meliferous, does >someone know where I can get (purchase) seeds to experiment in the >Mediterranean (Europe). > >What's the scientific name of the Manuka, and where can I find more >information about this plant, monographics, basic conditons for the >soil... > >------------- >Familia. >Geneus >Species and var > > Manuka is Leptospermum scoparium. Described variously as a bush, shrub or more often, a shrubby tree. New Zealanders will give you better information on this one, but we do sell the honey (imported from NZ) here in the UK. Unless you are prepared to gear your extracting plant to deal with a gel honey like Calluna, and one with a highly distinctive and dominant taste, it is probably better to avoid this one. Phacelia tancetifolia mentioned in your other post is a cracker of a honey plant. We help a few local farmers fund the seed (its a little more expensive for them to use it than other cover crops) and in the right conditions get an excellent crop of mild white honey off it. We have noted a tendency for it to perform poorly in drought conditions though, so in the Mediterranean climate you are talking about you may need to find a cultivar of it adapted to your conditions. It seems to be mainly a cover crop on set aside land in northern Europe, particularly Germany and the Baltic lands. From another perspective on the warning given by Charlie Kroeger, it is quite possible that you will find that outside their natural range these plants will be poor nectar yielders. Sometimes they do work well, but more often they do not. An example of this is Canadian and New Zealand strains of Trifloium repens (white clover). These are great yielders in their own countries, and for at least the last 40 years have been the basis of the 'undersow' in pasture around here (Scotland). They (especially the NZ) are much more vigourous than the short and small local strain and thus contribute more to the pasture. However, in this country they yield close to ZERO nectar, even on fields which are white enough with flower to almost look as if there had been a snow fall. Set aside fields, where the NATIVE strain is allowed to come through on its own, are a magnet to the bees in season and much nectar is available. Unfortunately such fields are rare and usually small, and the number of colonies they can sustain is few. Forty years ago clover was one of the main nectar sources in our area and large yields were possible, but today as a honey crop it is absent, despite good acreages of flower. Also you will need to see these things over a long period to establish their value in your area. Compared to us you have a consistent climate but will still have periods of drought and wetter spells. Some of the plants you mention, such as manuka, will take several years to come to proper maturity, so your study is going to take many years. It might be better to migrate your bees to the best of your local forage, than to try to migrate in plants from alien environments. Good luck anyway Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <386E095B.1333661B@together.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 09:04:11 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-80-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 31 Dec 1999 14:40:40 -0500, dial-80-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 27 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-80-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22567 connie & mike wrote: > We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) > We have two children and would like to know what medicine > to keep on hand. Our children have never been stung so we > do not know what reactions they will have. We would rather > be safe than sorry. > I've been keeping bees for many years-I handle bees every day. I have two daughters 12 and 15 years old. Both have been stung from time to time, but > not frequently. I was helping the 12 year old with her homework, when she was stung on the calf by a honey bee. There were tears, and ice was administered. Within five minutes her throat was "scratchy" and her sinuses were becoming congested. Within ten minutes, she was cherry red from her knees to the top of her head. Ten minutes later we were at the hospital. She was given epineprin and benedryl. Half hour later she was ok, and ready to go home. Mine is not the only "beekeeping family" where this has happened. It is certainly not a rare occurance. I know of several families in beekeeping where one or more of the children have "become" allergic to bees. I've been told the reason for this is that the family is exposed to bee "dander" and not to venom. The body builds up the wrong kind on imunity cells (E cells instead of T cells or visa versa) and when a sting occurs the body goes into shock. Perhaps someone could explain it better? Anyway- what I am getting at is that if the family keeps bees, then everyone should receive stings regularly. Don't rely on an epipen to solve the problem. Protect yourself and your kids the correct way. I don't mean to be cruel, but it is really the best way. Gaelen starts venom therapy in January. Once desensitised she shouldn't hace to carry her epipen everywhere she goes. Mike > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cistron.nl!not-for-mail From: "Frans van den Berg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (used) agricultural machines Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:55:43 +0100 Organization: Cistron Internet Services B.V. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <84ig93$5ni$1@enterprise.cistron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs1p48.dial.cistron.nl X-Trace: enterprise.cistron.net 946652259 5874 62.216.3.49 (31 Dec 1999 14:57:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cistron.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1999 14:57:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22568 Farmax digging machines Storti mixing wagons Manip' frontloaders Agrator cultivators Alpego breaker ploughs & rotary harrows Comeb multi-cultivators Cochet transport trailers Farmstore, supplier of agricultural machines for the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Check it out at: http://www.farmstore.nl For more information: vdberg@farmstore.nl Article 22569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Greetings. Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:28:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <84iobc$kke$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.3.212 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 31 17:28:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.159.3.212 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22569 A very Happy New Year to all the group. Many thanks for all the information, laughs, and occasional high blood pressure. I hope you all have a great time tonight and wish you all a good season to come. Best wishes from Scotland, beeman9334. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jan 2000 03:24:25 GMT References: <0146ce5a.9b3b2e80@usw-ex0101-002.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000103222425.04791.00000253@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22570 >Thanks for the info about painting the inside of the hives. I think >I'll go ahead and paint the inside of mine with some outdoor latex >paint. Dave, I used some old plywood for the inside top cover of one hive and for the floor. It had good quality enamel paint on both sides. We discovered that the bees were systematically removing the paint from their ceiling. They didn't bother the bottom board. Tiny flakes of paint ended up in the honey. After that experience I've decided to stick to unpainted inside surfaces. They quickly cover the surface with a thin layer of propolis. Herb Article 22572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3871F684.DD58B663@together.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:32:52 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-79-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 14:27:29 -0500, dial-79-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 17 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-79-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22572 Mann Lake sells a product called copper napthenate. I mixed it, according to the instructions, with low odor mineral spirits. I dipped newly constructed supers in the solution, then left the supers outdoors to air out for a couple months. Does a real nice job. The outsides can be painted at a later date. Mike dave wrote: > Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ? > > Thanks > Dave > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping assoc./club updates Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:28:44 -0500 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.152 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.152 Message-ID: <38720149_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 09:18:49 -0500, 209.222.80.152 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.152 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22573 Greetings! We would like to update our beekeeping assoc./club site. E-mail us directly and your listing will bee added. midnitebee@cybertours.com Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 22574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!platform.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:44:36 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <946946708@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946996536 nnrp-04:21256 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 60 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22574 In article <946946708@zbee.com>, Christopher Slade writes >In the UK we usually use creosote to paint hives on the outside. A chap I know >who is a joiner by trade and also a semi commercial beekeeper creosotes his >hives inside and out. Normally they are very well aired before they are used >but on one occasion he used a brood box that had been freshly creosoted inside. > He found that there was some bald brood for a while but no other ill effects. >Chris Slade > >--- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) In the days of 30 or more years ago we used to creosote the outsides of the boxes, but have not done so now for many years, although some (a minority here now) still do. Creosote is a good preservative BUT it is potentially very harmful, containing several nasty substances, at least one of which is carcinogenic. Used in moderation as an EXTERNAL treatment it is probably not a big risk. However, I know of one case recently when a commercial beekeeper who creosotes liberally, including inside the hive, had a substantial consignment of heather honey rejected by a German buyer because it was contaminated with creosote residues. These boxes had been treated fully two years earlier, but the fumes had impregnated the wax. I tried a sample of the honey and although it tasted a little different from my own it was apparently fine, but the buyer apparently detected a faint 'tarry' smell, had it analysed, and found significant creosote related contamination, plus PDB which he had been using to control wax moth in his shed. There are modern versions of creosote about without the worst of the ingredients, but they still have the smell. In the last few have reverted to painting again, with a good exterior paint over a good primer, but on the outside only. If we get any new boxes made of good quality cedar we never treat them at all. Another side to the creosote thing is a large scale beekeeper who believes that creosote controls tracheal mites, varroa, and a whole host of other things. They religiously creosote the outside of every hive every winter and also the inside of the floors. Not an opinion I share, but it is his point of view that creosote is a great cure-all. (Not the same guy as in the above bit about contamination). On balance I personally would NOT advise creosote, primarily on safety grounds, but also contamination. It may seem well aired, but if you can still smell it then it is still giving off fumes, and wax attracts these compounds. Kind regards Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni01nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <386F128E.16AEED3B@keelynet.com> From: "Jerry W. Decker" Reply-To: jdecker@keelynet.com Organization: KeelyNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help identifying a bee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:51:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.171.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 946803075 209.30.171.252 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:51:15 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:51:15 CST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22575 Hi Folks! I'm not sure if I can post to this list, but I need help in identifying this particular insect which I think is a bumblebee, I would certainly appreciate if someone here can identify it. All I have on it is this painting and it looks like some kind of long tongued bumblebee but I've never seen or heard of anything like it before; http://www.keelynet.com/temp/bug.htm I would need its name and where it is most commonly found as well as where I could get further details...thanks! -- Jerry Wayne Decker - jdecker@keelynet.com http://www.keelynet.com from an Art to a Science Voice : (214)324-8741 - FAX : (214)324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187 Article 22576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <386F3F0A.D26A0F30@zzclinic.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 07:05:30 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Stan Wyler Subject: Re: Feeding Honey References: <84m1ae$90d2$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p6-12.clinic.net X-Trace: 2 Jan 2000 12:05:00 GMT, d-p6-12.clinic.net Lines: 22 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni01nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!News.Destek.net!d-p6-12.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22576 Stan Wyler wrote: > > Hello all - happy new year! > I have a some goldenrod honey that I would like to feed back to my hives due > to its undesireable qualities(smells and has crystalized). > Should it be diluted with water in the same proportions as sugar? > Thanks - Stan Depends on where you are located, but since you are probably in the north, I would not. Fall honey, which is usually goldenrod and aster, causes dysentary in bees if they cannot get out to void on clensing flights. Also, since it does crystalize quickly, it can be as bad as having no honey at all. I have found that older peoply and those who have used honey for a while, like the darker honeys because of its bold flavor, and they know all about honey crystallizing, so it is no big deal for them. So give it to those people. They will be greatful. And feed your bees sugar candy. They will be the better for it. Bill T Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:06:58 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.90 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.90 Message-ID: <38725eb5_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 15:57:25 -0500, 209.222.80.90 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.90 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22577 Greetings! We have updated our "Articles" Page: George Imirie Jan 2000. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/jan2000.html -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Rare and Old Beekeeping Books http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Beekeeping Site http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Stony Critters Maine's First Rock Painting Site http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Article 22578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1/4/00 Maple in bloom! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:16:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <84u1h7$qlm$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22578 It's only the forth day into January and I saw a maple starting to bloom. It's going to be a crazy year. ' Going to have to watch the girls real close this spring. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Could this possibly be! Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jan 2000 14:12:50 GMT References: <01bf543e$03aae460$23a24cc6@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000101091250.03868.00000254@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22579 > >All you snow puppies up there, don't get upset but here the temp is >supposed to be 60 Here in south western Connecticut along the shore of Long Island Sound (41 degrees lat) we will also be warmer than normal with the temps close to 50 degrees. Again this year we are having a warmer than normal winter.We have kept the girls heavy with honey this year anticipating that they would use more stores than normal because of the mild temps. Wishing you all a "Happy New Year" may you have good health and no swarms. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford, CT Article 22580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:49:37 +0000 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 88 Message-ID: <386D08D0.504EED06@islapro.com> References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip211.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22580 > > Manuka is Leptospermum scoparium. > > Described variously as a bush, shrub or more often, a shrubby tree. > > New Zealanders will give you better information on this one, but we do > sell the honey (imported from NZ) here in the UK. > > Unless you are prepared to gear your extracting plant to deal with a gel > honey like Calluna, and one with a highly distinctive and dominant > taste, it is probably better to avoid this one. > Thank you, I will wait for next November. > > Phacelia tanacetifolia mentioned in your other post is a cracker of a > honey plant. A botanist friend pass me the seeds, in his working "field" there was no way to keep the bees away from the Phacelias. I have enough seeds for 1/2 acre, during the summer months I intend to water spray (irrigation) every three days. The objective is to study the plant in full depth. I intend to collect enough seeds for several acres next year, the project is for 200 Lb.. per hive. > An example of this is Canadian and New Zealand > strains of Trifloium repens (white clover). These are great yielders in > their own countries, and for at least the last 40 years have been the > basis of the 'undersow' in pasture around here (Scotland). I will looking for white clover, again irrigated, since the Mediterranean climate in July, August and Sept. is quite oppressive. > Also you will need to see these things over a long period to establish > their value in your area. Compared to us you have a consistent climate > but will still have periods of drought and wetter spells. Some of the > plants you mention, such as manuka, will take several years to come to > proper maturity, so your study is going to take many years. > I posted the 1st. article, of the intended project, the local beekeepers magazine will print it this january, the colleges stated that is the first documented approach to the beekeeping in the island. http://www.islapro.com/abeja101.htm the project http://www.islapro.com/asbeja01.htm the http://www.islapro.com/abeja02.htm the local association > > It might be better to migrate your bees to the best of your local > forage, than to try to migrate in plants from alien environments. > In the island of Mallorca, Spain there is no possibility of migrating. There are only four person that I know that earn a leaving with bees, the rest we are "amateurs". And the paradox is that the bees produce honey in the winter months, and in they have three regular harvest per year: rosmarinus from November until April. carub trees from October to December almond in January prunes in February citrus (orange) March and April fig tree (the fruits= figs) September the problem is July, August and September only the wild asparagus flower and produce in August and September, depending if we get summer rains, so I am trying to feel the gap. As per the botanical implication, my main interest is in botany and second beekeeping. I produced the flowering charts for the several areas which serve as a guide to the beekeepers. Article 22581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inbreeding of queens Message-ID: <946946707@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:21:44 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 81605194 REPLY: 240:44/0 6b02c291 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(48) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 946967519 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22581 There are about 20 different "Allelles" of the relevent genes that determine gender. These are very slightly different versions of the same gene. An ordinary drone being haploid has only one set of chromosomes and therefore one of these genes. This is all he needs and is fine. A worker or a queen is diploid and has two sets and as long as they are different as is usually the case she will be fine also. However, sometimes the ball on the roulette wheel will fall on zero and in that order of frequency with natural matings the fertilised egg will have two identical allelles. Instead of being female the baby will theoretically turn into a "diploid drone". I say theoretically because usually the workers will recognise that there is something wrong with the larva as soon as it hatches and eat it. All the beekeeper notices is a gap in the brood pattern. Diploid drones can be reared artificially and turn out to be very robust drones. When bees are mated artificially, either by instrumentation or by isolation, only with very close relatives it is possible to obtain as many as 50% diploid drones but except in these special circumstances this is not a problem for the ordinary beekeeper rearing their own queens. This is a very condensed and therefore probably not entirely accurate version of a series of articles by John Atkinson in the Beekeepers Quarterly. I have not yet read his book which will cover the subject in depth but have it on order from the library. I always read a book before I buy it. If it is worth reading, it is worth reading twice. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Message-ID: <946946708@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:27:14 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 8160663a REPLY: 240:44/0 ea08f1c2 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(48) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 946967521 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22582 In the UK we usually use creosote to paint hives on the outside. A chap I know who is a joiner by trade and also a semi commercial beekeeper creosotes his hives inside and out. Normally they are very well aired before they are used but on one occasion he used a brood box that had been freshly creosoted inside. He found that there was some bald brood for a while but no other ill effects. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Message-ID: <946946709@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:35:22 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 816084a5 REPLY: 240:44/0 68e36de0 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(48) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 946967521 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22583 There are various grades of cuprinol for various purposes. Some of them contain insecticite and will be lethal to bees. Read the label carefully before you buy. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jrbee2@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: seeking bee pollen analysis. Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:24:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <84uh17$4gg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991219090830.03879.00000130@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.173.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 05 04:24:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.179.173.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjrbee2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22584 In article , "Allen Dick" wrote: > > >I'm trying to find out the nutritional analysis of bee pollen. > > >Especially in terms of percentages/milligrams of specific vitamins, > > >minerals, amino acids, etc > > There is a bit of information on the web about different pollens. Links to some > of it can be found from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ by selecting the > 'Pollen Patties' link on the left menu. The emphasis is on feeding bees > substitutes, but there is a link to Australian research on canola pollens and > more. If anyone has further links, I'd appreciate hearing about them. > > There is some considerable discussion in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" about > pollens and the needs of bees as well. > > Peace. > > allen > ----- > See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. > BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ > or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. You want to know more check the following : http://ubeehealthy2.hypermart.net Jean Roger > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jrbee2@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: seeking bee pollen analysis. Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:33:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <84uhjj$4tg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991219090830.03879.00000130@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.173.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 05 04:33:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.179.173.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjrbee2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22585 Hello, I was reading your concerns about bee pollen analysis. Please feel free to visit the following site for your answers: http://ubeehealthy2.hypermart.net for mor info contact me at: jrbee2@my-deja.com Happy returns... Jean Roger Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.icm.edu.pl!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1/4/00 Maple in bloom! Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:17:51 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3872B7DF.EFFEA44F@netnitco.net> References: <84u1h7$qlm$1@news1.Radix.Net> <84uc7o$eau$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-1-50.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 947042828 3553 216.176.149.50 (5 Jan 2000 03:27:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 03:27:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22586 You guys make me sick with envy. The only thing bloomin here is snowflakes!!!! Damn winter. Wish it was 60 degrees now but we in the northern states have to wait 3 more months. One good thing though is that this weather gives a guy time to make the supers. May the Gods smile upon all of you this year. Chad Howell George Styer wrote: > Just saw a bit on the news that the almond buds are starting to swell a bit > early. Beekeepers with pollination contracts may eed to make some hurry up. > We are at about 23% of average for precipitation for this time of year. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there > > "honeybs" wrote in message > news:84u1h7$qlm$1@news1.Radix.Net... > > It's only the forth day into January and I saw a maple > > starting to bloom. It's going to be a crazy year. ' Going > > to have to watch the girls real close this spring. > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > > > Article 22587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PBS - NOVA Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:06:47 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-59.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 947077585 20104 209.130.165.59 (5 Jan 2000 13:06:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:06:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22587 Did anyone happen to catch "Tales from the Hive" - a PBS NOVA program? It was EXCELLENT! What a beautiful film. Does anyone know where this was filmed? My guess was Europe... I did not know about the "death mask moth" or the "bee eater" birds... very interesting. I really liked the way it gave a bee's eye view--had to be done with a blue screen. I would like to buy a copy but didn't catch the 1-800 number...can anyone help? TIA- Busybee Article 22588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.corpcomm.net!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Message-ID: <3873475a.577923828@news.usenetserver.com> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 5 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:28:51 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:32:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22588 This was the first time my wife showed any interest in my bees .. it was a wonderful program .. a few facts were mixed up but generally a very good introduction to the facinating lives of our ladies. Unfortuneatly the national championship was on at the same time so I will be viewship was low. Maybe they will have it again? Article 22589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jan 2000 13:38:18 GMT References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000105083818.23286.00000001@nso-ba.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22589 I saw the program. It was interesting about how the the moth mimics the odour of the hive and the sound of the queen to disguise itself within the hive. The program gave a good visual showing of the concept of bee space. The beekeeper had his hives what appeared to be in the exterior wall of a building and worked the hives from within the building. Does anybody know a reference from this type of setup?. The program refered to bees as engineers I also read in the paper today where NASA is using flexible honeycomb shaped walls for some of their space architecture. Al Article 22590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:50:20 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <84vi6s$fr1$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20000105083818.23286.00000001@nso-ba.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 947080220 16225 141.219.66.35 (5 Jan 2000 13:50:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:50:20 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22590 Jajwuth wrote: : I saw the program. : The beekeeper had his hives what appeared to be in the exterior wall of a : building and worked the hives from within the building. Does anybody know a : reference from this type of setup?. I haven't seen the program yet (our PBS station isn't showing it until tonight), but this sounds like the setup for "leaf hives" that are apparently used with some frequency in Europe. I read about these hives in a book titled "Beekeeping : A Practical Guide for the Novice Beekeeper" by Werner Melzer, Walter Berghoff, and Matthew M. Vriends. It's a short paperback, costs about $7, and has a lot of nice photographs. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 22591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.249.97.47!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination on Mars? Yup, for real! Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jan 2000 14:53:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000105095333.09218.00000788@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22591 If you think we're storying, check out the pollination news at the *rebuilt* Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com How can you tell if your garden pollination is inadequate? How can you fix the problem, if it is? This is a page designed first of all for crop growers and gardeners, to help them manage pollination. But it also should interest beekeepers. In the past I have resisted using links to beekeeping sources, unless they dealt specificially with pollination. Now we have a page of beekeeper resources that will (link to A FEW good beekeeping pages). At the risk of offending some (because there is not going to be room for all), I invite you to submit links for consideration. Still be thinking in terms of pollination, such as the new beekeeper who needs help after buying bees to pollinate his or her garden. Is your site going to help this kind of beekeeper, who often hasn't a clue in the beekeeping area? Does your site have any unique resources? Dave, AKA Pollinator, AKA "The Pumpkin Patch Pimp" Pollinator@aol.com The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 22592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Doin' Crop Pollination? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jan 2000 14:56:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000105095653.09218.00000791@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22592 A worldwide list of beekeepers who do crop pollination service is a feature of The Pollination Home Page. If you do this, you will want to bee listed...and you can bee...absolutely free of charge...simply by emailing me with the data. Please be as complete as you can: name of business, your name, e-mail and snail mail address, phone, number of hives available, what crops you will do, and areas you will go to. You may also wish to give a link to your web site. This list will be made available to fruit/veggie growers on the internet, and to a limited extent, by snail mail. We are going into the next generation of the internet. Farmers have been slow in coming online, but are rapidly catching up. Don't be left behind... Dave Green Pollinator@aol.com The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7D18E55BDA5270ED4F66E018" Message-ID: <38736C7B.1C0E3653@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20000105083818.23286.00000001@nso-ba.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:08:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; AIX 4.3) Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22593 --------------7D18E55BDA5270ED4F66E018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jajwuth wrote: > I also read in the paper today where NASA is using flexible honeycomb shaped > walls for some of their space architecture. > > Al At Boeing we have used honeycomb-shaped composites for years in the engine nacelles/thrust reversers for their noise reducing properties. The cells absorb sound energy. Engineers even refer to it as "honeycomb". I think the company that produces it is called "Hexcel". -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ --------------7D18E55BDA5270ED4F66E018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jajwuth wrote:

I also read in the paper today where NASA is using flexible honeycomb shaped
walls  for some of their space architecture.

Al

 At Boeing we have used honeycomb-shaped composites for years in the engine nacelles/thrust reversers for their noise reducing properties. The cells absorb sound energy. Engineers even refer to it as "honeycomb". I think the company that produces it is called "Hexcel". 
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  --------------7D18E55BDA5270ED4F66E018-- Article 22594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "mark osgood" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:35 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22594 >I would like to buy a copy but didn't catch the 1-800 number...can anyone >help? > >TIA- >Busybee Check out www.pbs.org for details of the documentary and info on the director, beekeeper, etc. Our family was riveted to the set for an hour. How about the chains of bees to "measure a new hive space"? Mark Article 22595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3873823D.2E2@ktc.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:41:17 -0600 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers References: <0924c354.526c7ce0@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com> <386E095B.1333661B@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.199.89 X-Trace: 5 Jan 2000 11:52:13 -0600, 209.163.199.89 Lines: 5 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.199.89 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22595 Our family physician was an excellent source of information. I had the same concerns and he asked if I was allergic to red dye. Apparently those allergic to red dye, also are frequently allergic to bee venom. Other than that he said get stung every so often and you shouldn't have a problem. Article 22596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jan 2000 23:15:46 GMT References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000105181546.06964.00000706@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22596 >It was EXCELLENT! What a beautiful film. Does anyone know where this was >filmed? My guess was Europe... It was filmed in Germany--the town scenes in the background had german signage. Probably Bavaria or Schwabia. (looked like it) The names on the credits were largely german, too. >I did not know about the "death mask moth" or the "bee eater" birds.. Don't know about the moths, but I saw another special on the bee eater birds awhile back, and I seem to remember that they are from the tropics--either SE Asia or Africa. I can't imagine a bird so multi colored and tropical looking in Europe... Kelly Article 22597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!WCG.MISMATCH!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:11:32 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3873DDB3.1F11673F@netnitco.net> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20000105181546.06964.00000706@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-2-156.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 947118051 16505 216.176.149.156 (6 Jan 2000 00:20:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2000 00:20:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22597 I thought that it was excellent. My entire family watched the program. After watching the program it really made me feel good about my relationship with bees. They are quite a little powerhouse. I too found it interesting on the bee chain measuring that they do. They are so efficient. Orangerose wrote: > >It was EXCELLENT! What a beautiful film. Does anyone know where this was > >filmed? My guess was Europe... > > It was filmed in Germany--the town scenes in the background had german signage. > Probably Bavaria or Schwabia. (looked like it) The names on the credits were > largely german, too. > > >I did not know about the "death mask moth" or the "bee eater" birds.. > > Don't know about the moths, but I saw another special on the bee eater birds > awhile back, and I seem to remember that they are from the tropics--either SE > Asia or Africa. I can't imagine a bird so multi colored and tropical looking > in Europe... > > Kelly Article 22598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jan 2000 01:25:56 GMT References: <3873475a.577923828@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000105202556.20092.00000867@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22598 Go to pbs.org then NOVA and enter your zip code in the box and it will tell you when it is on again in your area. Here in the Metro NY area it is on again on Fri. Jan.8th. at 5AM. Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford, CT Article 22599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones in Winter Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:06:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.86.193 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 947117192 195.8.86.193 (Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:06:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:06:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22599 My friend Justas hasn't got a computer so I said that I would post this message here to see if any beekeeper could supply an explanation... It's Winter in the United Kingdom and most of the time it's cold and wet. Just for a change New Year's day dawned sunny and warm (about 10C) and Justas decided to visit his bees to see if their hives were in order and wish the girls a Happy New Year. Whilst bending down at the entrance you can imagine his surprise when a Drone flew into the hive (no jokes folks this is serious). Now Justas's bees can't read, but Justas can, and it says in his beekeeeping book (and mine for that matter) that Drones are expelled from the hive in Winter and die, so what's going on, do all Drones die in Winter and what can be the explanation? When last inspected in October the colony was Queen-right and on New Years Day they were bringing in a small quantity of pollen (possibly Ivy) there seems no reason to believe that the Queen has failed. Regards and a happy new beekeeping season (or New Year) to you all. Nick The opinions and information contained in this message are not subject to copyright. All persons have their own opinions and information is where you find it, opinions and information appear to you as you see them. Please respect the opinions and information from other people as you would like yours respected. Always feel free to add your own opinion and information on the subject at hand although they may vary greatly. Article 22600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Young" Subject: formic acid gel packs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf57ed$ff9231e0$75c9a1d0@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:26:24 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-sBov9XG/UxEIM4A7cJgLJhDxGnG2AYV5ZBF0uQl9RWcQA9i+dYFZ4BQS+ZznOnjqSnzvEuP6CJDZLfI!MKTzjp227B23k2hyCc/AcvT71zIYggiaZQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 02:26:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22600 Is formic acid gel available in the USA yet? If not, will it be soon? Bob Y. Article 22602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!cabal12.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Voltz family Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:19:14 -0600 Organization: Internet Express (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <0394BEA308ED0819.0E88EC02ED205869.EF9FB290206DD519@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <387409B2.ADE6D529@netexpress.net> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Abuse-Reports-To: newsadmin at netexpress.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jan 5 21:22:28 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Xk8=0ROu[!hJ*m (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22602 Our family was also glued to the PBS station showing NOVA's 'Tales from the Hive.' The telephone number for ordering your own copy of the program is: 1-800-255-9424 Also, if you check out the pbs.org web site, there's a large amount of information about the program itself, how it was produced, and about the bees themselves. It's well worth the time to check it out. Sue > Article 22603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jan 2000 04:00:11 GMT References: <20000105083818.23286.00000001@nso-ba.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000105230011.03884.00001107@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22603 >The beekeeper had his hives what appeared to be in the exterior wall of a >building and worked the hives from within the building. Does anybody k european bee house, we don't use em here in the states Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5wTc4.6855$S3.335810@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> Subject: Re: Research Lab Links Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.120.21.254 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 947132217 204.120.21.254 (Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:16:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:16:57 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:59:40 -0600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22604 Oh, Almost forgot. Tucson's lab site has S.E. McGregor's Pollination Handbook (that's a joke. I had a hard copy of it a few years back. Wouldn't exactly call it a "handbook") online. With a search tool no less. -- Gordon Hayes New Harmony, Indiana, USA flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 "Gordon Hayes" wrote in message news:5wTc4.6855$S3.335810@tw12.nn.bcandid.com... > Here are a couple of links to Bee Research Labs. The one in Tucson was not > real easy to find with a search engine. What a shame. Thought everyone might > enjoy them. > > Am looking forward to spring. Planning to get a couple of hives. Will be > able to put them at my new job. Lots of flowers and shrubs around as well as > Black Locust groves galore. And Tulip Poplars and Soybeans also. > > > http://sun.ars-grin.gov/ars/Beltsville/barc/psi/brl/brl-page.html > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/ > -- > Gordon Hayes > New Harmony, Indiana, USA > > flashgh@evansville.net > http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh > http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 > > > Article 22605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in Winter Message-ID: <38749eff.665897343@news.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 56 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:54:32 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:57:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22605 Nick Throwing the drones out is related to the dearth of pollen not necessarily the temperature. I don't know how the fall was in the UK but here in the midwest we had a beautiful warm fall and a warm winter ( for us ). They may have brought pollen in all fall??? Dave On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:06:32 GMT, "Nick Templar" wrote: >My friend Justas hasn't got a computer so I said that I would post this >message >here to see if any beekeeper could supply an explanation... > >It's Winter in the United Kingdom and most of the time it's cold and wet. >Just >for a change New Year's day dawned sunny and warm (about 10C) and Justas >decided to visit his bees to see if their hives were in order and wish the >girls a >Happy New Year. > >Whilst bending down at the entrance you can imagine his surprise when a >Drone flew into the hive (no jokes folks this is serious). Now Justas's >bees can't read, but Justas can, and it says in his beekeeeping book (and >mine for that matter) that Drones are expelled from the hive in Winter and >die, so what's going on, do all Drones die in Winter and what can be the >explanation? > > When last inspected in October the colony was Queen-right and on New Years >Day they were bringing in a small quantity of pollen (possibly Ivy) there >seems no reason to believe that the Queen has failed. > >Regards and a happy new beekeeping season (or New Year) to you all. > >Nick > >The opinions and information contained in this message are not subject to >copyright. All persons have their own opinions and information is where you >find it, opinions and information appear to you as you see them. Please >respect the opinions and information from other people as you would like >yours respected. Always feel free to add your own opinion and information >on the subject at hand although they may vary greatly. > > > > > > > > > > Article 22606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: 6 Jan 2000 11:02:19 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: I'm not asking about importing honey bees into the U.S.A. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22606 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10364 Hello. I hope you've all had a smooth transition into the 21st century. I need to ascertain if I can transport ~50 queen honey bees and associated attendants in traveling cages, on a public flight, as carry-on luggage. Obviously, I can mail them, but they are special research queens, and I'd rather transport them myself. Driving them would be simple, but I do not have the time to make the trip by car. Would anyone know who to contact regarding the regulations for carry-on animals in the U.S.A.? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22607 busybee wrote in message <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Did anyone happen to catch "Tales from the Hive" - a PBS NOVA program? > >It was EXCELLENT! What a beautiful film. Does anyone know where this was >filmed? My guess was Europe... > >I did not know about the "death mask moth" or the "bee eater" birds... very >interesting. I really liked the way it gave a bee's eye view--had to be >done with a blue screen. > >I would like to buy a copy but didn't catch the 1-800 number...can anyone >help? > >TIA- >Busybee > > > We watched it las-night and it was so wonderful :) The number is 1-800-255-9424. I cant wait to get our first bee's! They look like such interesting little folk. Jenn Article 22608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jrbee2@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: seeking bee pollen anylysis. Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:33:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <852n54$772$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <83h2ht$4vh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.183.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 06 18:33:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.179.183.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjrbee2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22608 In article <83h2ht$4vh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kjmason1@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I'm trying to find out the nutritional analysis of bee pollen. > Especially in terms of percentages/milligrams of specific vitamins, > minerals, amino acids, etc > > Thanks > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Hello, I think I have the answer and more for you... Look on: http://ubeehealthy2.hypermart.net happy returns... JRBEE2 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jan 2000 19:04:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000106140435.01021.00000165@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22609 The credits said it was filmed in Austria. Article 22610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!newsfeed.bcn.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Manuka seeds wanted Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:39:03 +0000 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 66 Message-ID: <38723E47.73FA6A74@islapro.com> References: <38688432.2F6DE282@islapro.com> <386D08D0.504EED06@islapro.com> <4PErrSATOqb4Ewn+@kilty.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip221.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22610 James Kilty wrote:I think we all have a problem with our bees if we want them to produce... First thanks you for your comments, they are very much appreciated. I intent to fully document the project, from all the stand points: botanical, beekeeping, production, and environmental. I am posting on the net at http://www.islapro.com/abeja101.htm the first article, future articles will follow. I am planning to re-address the project as necessary: change plants, breeds, duplicate de project at different sites, etc. I think that five years will be conclusive. At the beginning, will be experimenting with 3 hives, the second year I will add a second location, and again three hives only... As per the botanical species. It would be nice to have tree that fits the need during the period of drought?. After plenty of botanical research I encountered such tree, It was a publication from Senegal (Africa) that directed me to an Eucalyptus bicolor (Australian original and adapted) that in our hemisphere-latitud fits the needs. The cover of the book and page of the FAO study at http://www.islapro.com/abeja101a.htm The nectar chart per plant/month in the area: http://www.islapro.com/abeja101b.htm The same applies to the Evodia danielli, and the Phacelia... As per the queens, we intent to replace then yearly (sorry for the pages being in spanish). The project weak point right now is the bees breed, I intend to read and post the conclusion prior acquiring them. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas. * Paradox: (Italian know-how and breeds) while we are a few miles from Italy it takes three plane changes to get there (Sardinia, Sicily or Southern Italy), so there the supposed geographical closeness does not reflect that the know-how a few miles away. On the other hand we are connected to London, Paris, Stockholm, Frankfurt... several times per day. The information flow is basically is in english and via USA at a rate of 70%. There is flow from Spain-to-Italy Article 22611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Will Merritt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:31:29 -0500 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3874FBA0.CD30E733@rhtc.net> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-19.r10.nclvcr.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 947190541 16939 204.116.74.219 (6 Jan 2000 20:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2000 20:29:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22611 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10367 Legal or not, I would think you would have quite a problem on your hands if any bees escaped and stung someone. Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Hello. > I hope you've all had a smooth transition into the 21st century. > > I need to ascertain if I can transport ~50 queen honey bees and associated > attendants in traveling cages, on a public flight, as carry-on luggage. > > Obviously, I can mail them, but they are special research queens, and I'd > rather transport them myself. Driving them would be simple, but I do not > have the time to make the trip by car. Would anyone know who to contact > regarding the regulations for carry-on animals in the U.S.A.? > > Thanks, > Adam > > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: 6 Jan 2000 15:45:39 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <852utj$h14$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> <3874FBA0.CD30E733@rhtc.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22612 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10368 In article <3874FBA0.CD30E733@rhtc.net>, Will Merritt wrote: >Legal or not, I would think you would have quite a problem on your hands if >any bees escaped and stung someone. Umm yeah. Probably so. Seems like a situation to avoid, eh? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in Winter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:43:28 +0000 Message-ID: <7Y2bOiBARNd4EwHB@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <85252t$oi5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947197349 nnrp-10:29289 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22613 In article <85252t$oi5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com writes > from what I have learned so far, >the temperature range that you mentioned gives me a clue that the queen >may think that it's spring and she is doing her "queenly duty" of >laying new brood larvae. snip >they may have gotten the >impulse to start building up the hive. Here in Maine, when the >temperature reaches about 10C (50F+/-), it is usually in April or May >and the bees are actively looking for food sources. The queen is >generally doing her job and the hive is coming to life. You may want to >have your friend check the hive to verify the presence of larvae and >also to make sure that the bees have 60 to 70 pounds of honey stored. >If they are starting to build up the colony population, you will need >to watch closely and make sure that they do not run out of honey stores >and starve to death. It is good to compare notes over countries and races of bees. The amount of stores depends on the race of bees and local climate and forage pattern. Black bees in West Cornwall need 30-40lb of stores, mainly to get them through a cold, wet spring!. The queen *may* start to lay in mid January a small patch and then start a steady build up from about mid-February to peak from early April-mid May before the steady decline (there may also be a late peak in September). We don't normally recommend inspecting the colonies in winter at all, for obvious reasons, but rather "heft" the hives to ensure an adequate weight of stores. The temperature has been hovering at 10-12C (and in a warm sunny sheltered spot would easily be much greater) and tempt the bees out for cleansing flights and foraging. Depending on your location, there are flowers the bees visit, in the countryside or town. In these parts January is (should be) the coldest month, with February not far behind. Yellow bees are the ones to watch out for. Their adaptation was to a Mediterranean climate and the pattern of brood rearing is quite different. Of course that is a simplification as here, bees have been mongrelised over 150 years with successive and fashionable imports (the grass is greener syndrome) and the precise genetic mix and laying and flying habits vary enormously from colony to colony. So, inevitably, beekeepers often give quite conflicting advice, even in the same locality. Indeed they are notorious for it. Nevertheless, the best advice for a new beekeeper is to join the local beekeepers' association. We have one in every county in England and there are thriving Scottish, Irish and Welsh associations. There are some very knowledgeable members who will support newcomers exceptionally well. -- James Kilty editor An Hes An Hes is the monthly Newsletter of West Cornwall Beekeepers Association Article 22614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:50:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22614 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10370 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >Hello. >I hope you've all had a smooth transition into the 21st century. >I need to ascertain if I can transport ~50 queen honey bees and associated >attendants in traveling cages, on a public flight, as carry-on luggage. >Obviously, I can mail them, but they are special research queens, and I'd >rather transport them myself. Driving them would be simple, but I do not >have the time to make the trip by car. Would anyone know who to contact >regarding the regulations for carry-on animals in the U.S.A.? >Thanks, >Adam One of my customers is a cinimatogragher that lives in New York and travels quite often to California. He takes his box of bees in his pocket on the plane. Has never had a problem that I know of. Put them in a box and place them in the middle of your suitcase. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: crawley@azure.dstc.edu.au (Stephen Crawley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: 7 Jan 2000 01:27:14 GMT Organization: Distributed Systems Technology CRC Lines: 9 Message-ID: <947208434.1135@eeyore.dstc.edu.au> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: crawley@dstc.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: eeyore.dstc.edu.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 947208434 13532 130.102.176.3 (7 Jan 2000 01:27:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2000 01:27:14 GMT Cache-Post-Path: eeyore.dstc.edu.au!unknown@azure.dstc.edu.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22615 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10375 In article <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs wrote: >Put them in a box and place them in the middle of your >suitcase. ... and tell them to beehive themselves :-) -- Steve Article 22616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:53:19 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <854k2r$k3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 947245979 20602 209.130.165.15 (7 Jan 2000 11:52:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2000 11:52:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22616 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10377 Putting them in your suitcase will suffocate them...you need to have air and water for them. Purchase one of the cardboard/wire mesh mailing boxes specifically designed for this purpose. I would then obtain necessary ok's from your State Apiary service for transportation of bees into other states and I would clear it through the airlines of your intent. If you meet with opposition, which I would think you will...can you imagine the other passengers finding out you have bees in an airplane? Hmmm...now that would be a great horror film--mental note (call Steven Speiberg). If there is no problem...be sure to conceal your package as not to cause unneccessary panic amonst fellow passengers. Me? I would use and trust the U.S. Postal Service (overnight and heavily insured) to deliver your queens to your destination. The U.S. postal service is used to handling bee-mail. Good Luck, --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net>... >adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > >>Hello. >>I hope you've all had a smooth transition into the 21st century. > >>I need to ascertain if I can transport ~50 queen honey bees and associated >>attendants in traveling cages, on a public flight, as carry-on luggage. > >>Obviously, I can mail them, but they are special research queens, and I'd >>rather transport them myself. Driving them would be simple, but I do not >>have the time to make the trip by car. Would anyone know who to contact >>regarding the regulations for carry-on animals in the U.S.A.? > > >>Thanks, >>Adam > >One of my customers is a cinimatogragher that lives in New >York and travels quite often to California. He takes his >box of bees in his pocket on the plane. Has never had a >problem that I know of. > >Put them in a box and place them in the middle of your >suitcase. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Article 22617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1/4/00 Maple in bloom! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:47:52 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <84uc7o$eau$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <84u1h7$qlm$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.10 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 947041336 14686 12.72.48.10 (5 Jan 2000 03:02:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 03:02:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22617 Just saw a bit on the news that the almond buds are starting to swell a bit early. Beekeepers with pollination contracts may eed to make some hurry up. We are at about 23% of average for precipitation for this time of year. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "honeybs" wrote in message news:84u1h7$qlm$1@news1.Radix.Net... > It's only the forth day into January and I saw a maple > starting to bloom. It's going to be a crazy year. ' Going > to have to watch the girls real close this spring. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Article 22618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dave Subject: Agreement Forms.. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <023a5bf4.97399e6b@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Lines: 12 Bytes: 375 X-Originating-Host: 12.10.126.6 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eAksBAUcWxFaTRwXCVooAxoeCUIDH05fXVdIW1BTQRtQQR8= Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:55:39 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.16 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 947285967 10.0.2.16 (Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:59:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:59:27 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22618 Does anyone have, or know where I can get, a "contract" that I could have the landowner sign which spells out liability, etc.. I'm new at this and any help would be appreciated. Thanks, daves@cadp.org Dave Sickels * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Tim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EMAIL ME? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:52:06 +0000 Organization: BEE TRIALS Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3870C5A6.DAFDF816@BEER.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.64.131 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22619 Could someone please email me direct with the best bee list to join. regards Tim Article 22620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:56:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 92 Message-ID: <84vt3l$4ai$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <946946708@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.5.175.137 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 05 16:56:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.5.175.137 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22620 In article , Murray McGregor wrote: > In article <946946708@zbee.com>, Christopher Slade > writes > >In the UK we usually use creosote to paint hives on the outside. A chap I know > >who is a joiner by trade and also a semi commercial beekeeper creosotes his > >hives inside and out. Normally they are very well aired before they are used > >but on one occasion he used a brood box that had been freshly creosoted inside. > > He found that there was some bald brood for a while but no other ill effects. > >Chris Slade > > > >--- > > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) > > In the days of 30 or more years ago we used to creosote the outsides of > the boxes, but have not done so now for many years, although some (a > minority here now) still do. > > Creosote is a good preservative BUT it is potentially very harmful, > containing several nasty substances, at least one of which is > carcinogenic. > > Used in moderation as an EXTERNAL treatment it is probably not a big > risk. > > However, I know of one case recently when a commercial beekeeper who > creosotes liberally, including inside the hive, had a substantial > consignment of heather honey rejected by a German buyer because it was > contaminated with creosote residues. > > These boxes had been treated fully two years earlier, but the fumes had > impregnated the wax. I tried a sample of the honey and although it > tasted a little different from my own it was apparently fine, but the > buyer apparently detected a faint 'tarry' smell, had it analysed, and > found significant creosote related contamination, plus PDB which he had > been using to control wax moth in his shed. > > There are modern versions of creosote about without the worst of the > ingredients, but they still have the smell. > > In the last few have reverted to painting again, with a good exterior > paint over a good primer, but on the outside only. If we get any new > boxes made of good quality cedar we never treat them at all. > > Another side to the creosote thing is a large scale beekeeper who > believes that creosote controls tracheal mites, varroa, and a whole host > of other things. They religiously creosote the outside of every hive > every winter and also the inside of the floors. Not an opinion I share, > but it is his point of view that creosote is a great cure-all. (Not the > same guy as in the above bit about contamination). > > On balance I personally would NOT advise creosote, primarily on safety > grounds, but also contamination. It may seem well aired, but if you can > still smell it then it is still giving off fumes, and wax attracts these > compounds. > > Kind regards > > Murray > -- > Murray McGregor > I agree with the comments by Mr. McGregor. Here in Maine I have been keeping bees in hives built from pine boards. I routinely paint the bottom board completely (inside & out) with 2 to 3 coats of exterior Latex paint. Oil-based paint is getting difficult to find. I also paint the outsides of the hive boxes but, leave the insides unpainted. An old- time beekeeper that I learned from professes that the bees would probably like a natural smelling box instead of the fumes from creosote or paint. When they swarm and settle into someone's roof eaves or inside a hollow log, they rarely find those places painted. Paul Bilodeau Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:38:33 -0500 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38774BE6.BDA@javanet.com> References: <023a5bf4.97399e6b@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: J0HsoDFuDgR5JqhOO8jUuZ+G6aTlnMg3eaH0/1WTGqo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 2000 14:33:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22621 A complete understanding with the landowner is very important. Whether it involve a signed agreement or simply a handshake is to be determined on an individual basis. I did an article on this subject in the February 1998 issue of Bee Culture magazine. I believe it would answer your questions. If back issues of the magazine are not available to you, let me know. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 22622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jan 2000 20:35:40 GMT References: <947293509@zbee.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000108153540.10247.00000168@nso-co.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22622 In article <947293509@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) writes: > >If you can't get by with a friendly hand shake find another landowner. By >long >tradition the rent for placing a hive of bees is a jar of honey per hive per >year but I do know people who pay in honeycomb or in mead. >Chris Slade I had a site once where the rental was a bottle of burbon per year, left under the first hive, where it stayed all year. The landowner's wife didn't know her husband had this "sweet" tooth. It was a good site, and worth the Southern Comfort. I had to dispose of the empties. Article 22623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jan 2000 20:50:16 GMT References: <8574qn$7fk$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000108155016.01018.00001144@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22623 From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) >> Even on pollenation contracts a hand shake will >do. If they don't pay you just spread the word to other >beekeepers. I have never been beat yet. It may not be so important on bee yards, but a good contract is an absolute for pollination. Some bee yards are paid in honey, some are paid by leaving a hive for their garden, others just want the bees and want no payment at all (I still try to give them a melon or two, in season, even if they don't like honey.) But on pollination, you will find that pollination is not so important after it is done, and you'll sometimes be last in line to get paid. If you don't have a contract, you could be in for big losses. I lost $1500 on one contract because I didn't have it in writing. The grower claimed I never even brought the bees, which I rebutted with a witness, but it still didn't help, because I didn't have a written contract. On the other hand, with the contract, it is simply a matter of filing the papers with the magistrate. We've had no trouble getting judgements, if the paperwork is there. Then you file them at the courthouse. Sooner or later the guy will need to buy or sell property, or get the mark off his credit, and you'll get your money, with interest. > >The lawyer will get all the money anyway if you have to get >nasty to collect so why bother. Lawyers aren't needed for small claims court. It's not nasty to file an action; that's the way civilized people settle disputes. Cussing a guy out, beating him to a pulp, or killing him would be nasty. Small claims courts are good for up to $2500 in some states, more in others. Most people are honest, but, if you do much pollination, you'll find the few that aren't, and you'll be awful glad if you have a good contract. There are sometimes creative ways to collect. I had an apple grower stick me once. He promised to pay at harvest, but didn't. In the spring he got bees from another beekeeper, and planted a new block of orchard. In the fall, when he was starting the harvest, I pulled into his orchard and asked for my money, which was due at the previous year's harvest. He said he didn't have the money, so I pointed to the full bins and asked him to put them on the truck. He did. Since it was the beginning of the apple harvest, I had sold them within a couple days, and nearly doubled my money. I had a contract, so, if he hadn't paid, I'd have filed on him. Another time I had bees on pollination, but it seemed the guy just had the farm as a front for his real business. When he was arrested for the "other" crop he was growing, the gov't siezed or foreclosed the farm. I could have lost 75 hives without a contract, because the overseer would have sold them along with everything else. For five different contracts, see: http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm Dave Article 22624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Long Deep Hives? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:31:54 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <857pgf$17eu$1@news.beeb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947367293 nnrp-09:710 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22624 In article <857pgf$17eu$1@news.beeb.net>, Diane Waller writes >I will be starting bee keeping this year in Suffolk England. I have recently >been to a talk given by Robin Dartington where he exhibited his long deep >hive which he has developed over a number of years based upon older type >hives now out of use. Has anyone have experience of long hives and if so, >could you let me know the advantages and disadvantages of such a hive and >whether it is possible for beginners to use one or if I should stick to the >usual National or Commercial hives? > >-- >Diane > > If you want to keep it in one place perpetually then its up to you, and although I have not seen this model, all the others like this are not well suited to migration. If you want to move it, use a normal type hive. If you don't turn out to like beekeeping, or have to give it up for some reason, you will struggle to sell an odd type of hive. Try National, Smith, Langstroth or Dadant. Above all enjoy it, and good luck. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ÅõÜããåëïò ÊáñáêÜóçò" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: E-mail me Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:21:57 +0200 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8589vq$es3$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate-b05.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 947366714 15235 195.167.122.212 (8 Jan 2000 21:25:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 2000 21:25:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22625 Could someone please email me direct with the best bee list to join. regards E-mail papamel@otenet.gr Article 22626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.beeb.net!not-for-mail From: "Diane Waller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Long Deep Hives? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:43:16 -0000 Organization: A Beeb User Sender: dianewaller@host-77a-163.dial.beeb.net Message-ID: <857pgf$17eu$1@news.beeb.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-77a-163.dial.beeb.net X-Trace: news.beeb.net 947349839 40414 62.56.36.163 (8 Jan 2000 16:43:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@beeb.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 2000 16:43:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22626 I will be starting bee keeping this year in Suffolk England. I have recently been to a talk given by Robin Dartington where he exhibited his long deep hive which he has developed over a number of years based upon older type hives now out of use. Has anyone have experience of long hives and if so, could you let me know the advantages and disadvantages of such a hive and whether it is possible for beginners to use one or if I should stick to the usual National or Commercial hives? -- Diane Article 22627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Message-ID: <947293509@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:52:04 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 81e0c35f REPLY: 240:44/0 7a48b806 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(52) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 947313063 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22627 If you can't get by with a friendly hand shake find another landowner. By long tradition the rent for placing a hive of bees is a jar of honey per hive per year but I do know people who pay in honeycomb or in mead. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Hoop Snakes in North Carolina Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Message-ID: <947376603.375840@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Cache-Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-48.wag.interact.net.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:13:34 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 947376604 203.37.7.3 (Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:10:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:10:04 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22628 We have the same sort of problems here in Australia with Hoop Snakes, but they are really just a nuisance when you take into account the Drop Bears and Whip Snakes. -- Barry Metz Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.12e14cbce759b2a59899de@news.pe.net... > Say Big Johnson I just watched Roy Underhill on PBS and learned > all about the hoop snakes on Bass Mountain in North Carolina. > Apparently these creatures will climb trees up the bark and then > when they attack they roll themselves into a circle and then > start to roll toward you down Bass Mountain. When they are almost > upon you, they straighten out and fly at you like an arrow and > stab you with the stinger in their tail. Roy's uncle was attacked > by one but the hoop snake stung a sapling instead which caused > the sapling to swell up so large that Roy's uncle was able to get > inside the sapling and carve a wooden ball in cage carving with > his axe. > This North Carolina has to be something else! Article 22629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.netfront.net!freenews.netfront.net!not-for-mail From: "Charlie Kroeger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:20:58 GMT Organization: http://frankensteinface.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <858k98$10m$1@dolf.netfront.net> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-tntlbb-224.nts-online.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset = US-ASCII X-Trace: dolf.netfront.net 947377256 1046 216.167.131.224 (9 Jan 2000 00:20:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@netfront.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2000 00:20:56 GMT X-Newsreader: News Rover 5.3.0 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22629 test freenews.netfront.net ------ Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to news@netfront.net Article 22630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 02:18:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: <858q6k$a2$6@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8574qn$7fk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <20000108155016.01018.00001144@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22630 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) >>> Even on pollenation contracts a hand shake will >>do. If they don't pay you just spread the word to other >>beekeepers. I have never been beat yet. > It may not be so important on bee yards, but a good contract is an absolute >for pollination. Some bee yards are paid in honey, some are paid by leaving a >hive for their garden, others just want the bees and want no payment at all (I >still try to give them a melon or two, in season, even if they don't like >honey.) > But on pollination, you will find that pollination is not so important after >it is done, and you'll sometimes be last in line to get paid. If you don't have >a contract, you could be in for big losses. I lost $1500 on one contract >because I didn't have it in writing. The grower claimed I never even brought >the bees, which I rebutted with a witness, but it still didn't help, because I >didn't have a written contract. > On the other hand, with the contract, it is simply a matter of filing the >papers with the magistrate. We've had no trouble getting judgements, if the >paperwork is there. Then you file them at the courthouse. Sooner or later the >guy will need to buy or sell property, or get the mark off his credit, and >you'll get your money, with interest. >> >>The lawyer will get all the money anyway if you have to get >>nasty to collect so why bother. > Lawyers aren't needed for small claims court. It's not nasty to file an >action; that's the way civilized people settle disputes. Cussing a guy out, >beating him to a pulp, or killing him would be nasty. Small claims courts are >good for up to $2500 in some states, more in others. > Most people are honest, but, if you do much pollination, you'll find the few >that aren't, and you'll be awful glad if you have a good contract. > There are sometimes creative ways to collect. I had an apple grower stick >me once. He promised to pay at harvest, but didn't. In the spring he got bees >from another beekeeper, and planted a new block of orchard. In the fall, when >he was starting the harvest, I pulled into his orchard and asked for my money, >which was due at the previous year's harvest. He said he didn't have the money, >so I pointed to the full bins and asked him to put them on the truck. He did. >Since it was the beginning of the apple harvest, I had sold them within a >couple days, and nearly doubled my money. I had a contract, so, if he hadn't >paid, I'd have filed on him. > Another time I had bees on pollination, but it seemed the guy just had the >farm as a front for his real business. When he was arrested for the "other" >crop he was growing, the gov't siezed or foreclosed the farm. I could have lost >75 hives without a contract, because the overseer would have sold them along >with everything else. > For five different contracts, see: >http://pollinator.com/polbkprs.htm >Dave I agree with you if it is a main part of your business. But with the few 8 to 10 hive pumpkin patch jobs that I do I have better things to worry about. I get half down on delivery ,$25.00 ea., and balance on pickup ,another $25.00 ea.. There are so few beekeepers here in Maryland that the farmers are very grateful for the bees they can get. They won't do anything to take a chance of not getting them the next year. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen hives Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0800 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p53-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22631 can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice..... thanx, mark Article 22632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: m12345@ihug.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping software Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:19:02 -0800 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38791766.388C@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p53-max19.akl.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22632 can anyone remember the website of the "bidata" beekeeping software?.... or any other good beekeeping software wld be great. thanx, mark Article 22633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: barrybeekeep@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: jellybush?? jelly bush?? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:09:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <851pjt$h6r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.24.148.241 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 06 10:09:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.wag.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE4), 1.0 proxy1.interact.net.au:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE5-hno.19991208), 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 203.37.7.123, 203.37.7.3, 203.24.148.241 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbarrybeekeep Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22633 Can someone please tell me which of the australian/new zealand leptospermum species has the common name jelly bush or jellybush Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in Winter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947156526 nnrp-03:9317 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 52 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22634 In article , Nick Templar writes >Whilst bending down at the entrance you can imagine his surprise when a >Drone flew into the hive (no jokes folks this is serious). Now Justas's >bees can't read Three things. First, our bees will fly any time it's warm enough, most days recently. Secondly, bees are wise little creatures. They need drones to reproduce. And they hang on to them if they need them and boot them out if they don't. Your friend's bees need their drones to replace their queen as soon as they can in the spring. So he has early warning of probable supersedure and possible swarming. Start the weekly inspections early, say mid-April, possibly a little sooner depending on weather and nectar flow. Thirdly, We have a joke at our teaching apiary. Our bees don't read the books either! We have had two years where virtually every colony has made swarming preparations and we are not used to colonies being exceptional swarmers. Two years ago we had swarms that swarmed again, colonies that swarmed off and left the swarmed stock to make emergency cells and colonies resited as per book: on the old site, swarmed stock over, developing several frames of brood and then went off again. We've had old marked queens rise up on their own in front of our eyes and fly away not to be seen for another week, obviously having returned as we beat the retreat to reduce any confusion on her return. We must be sure we do read the right books though as the drone story is there in some books. Note that an experienced professional beekeeper like Manley (I think it was) admonished the many amateur authors who base their advice on limited experience and small scale beekeeping. I have seen experts routinely cull the one and only supersedure cell as part of their automatic routine. I have heard an expert say you haven't got the old queen because you have sealed queen cells present, even when we tell him we have seen her the same day (and the next). I prefer to leave supersedure cells to hatch keeping an eye out for the possible swarm if they "change their minds". And there we have a potential breeder if other characteristics live up to the right standard. Supersedure is a desirable characteristic and is common in our A.m.mellifera stock. Down here I think it must be 75% or more of the genetic base with imports from south of the Pyrenees to Caucasus mountain range providing the rest. This depends on where you are in the UK. There is so much to learn about bees they can surely instruct us till we join the booted out old drones. -- James Kilty Honey Mountain supplies honey locally. Small Bee Centre and workshop at the Trevarno Gardens open all year round: see beeswax candles made and honey preparation in season. tel/fax +44 1736 850373 Article 22635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in Winter Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:24:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 74 Message-ID: <85252t$oi5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.5.174.117 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 06 13:24:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.5.174.117 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22635 In article , "Nick Templar" wrote: > My friend Justas hasn't got a computer so I said that I would post this > message > here to see if any beekeeper could supply an explanation... > > It's Winter in the United Kingdom and most of the time it's cold and wet. > Just > for a change New Year's day dawned sunny and warm (about 10C) and Justas > decided to visit his bees to see if their hives were in order and wish the > girls a > Happy New Year. > > Whilst bending down at the entrance you can imagine his surprise when a > Drone flew into the hive (no jokes folks this is serious). Now Justas's > bees can't read, but Justas can, and it says in his beekeeeping book (and > mine for that matter) that Drones are expelled from the hive in Winter and > die, so what's going on, do all Drones die in Winter and what can be the > explanation? > > When last inspected in October the colony was Queen-right and on New Years > Day they were bringing in a small quantity of pollen (possibly Ivy) there > seems no reason to believe that the Queen has failed. > > Regards and a happy new beekeeping season (or New Year) to you all. > > Nick > > The opinions and information contained in this message are not subject to > copyright. All persons have their own opinions and information is where you > find it, opinions and information appear to you as you see them. Please > respect the opinions and information from other people as you would like > yours respected. Always feel free to add your own opinion and information > on the subject at hand although they may vary greatly. > > I'm just a hobbyist beekeeper, but, from what I have learned so far, the temperature range that you mentioned gives me a clue that the queen may think that it's spring and she is doing her "queenly duty" of laying new brood larvae. When your friend inspected the hive, did he notice any newly laid eggs? If the temperature is warm enough and the bees can find pollen and nectar sources, they may have gotten the impulse to start building up the hive. Here in Maine, when the temperature reaches about 10C (50F+/-), it is usually in April or May and the bees are actively looking for food sources. The queen is generally doing her job and the hive is coming to life. You may want to have your friend check the hive to verify the presence of larvae and also to make sure that the bees have 60 to 70 pounds of honey stored. If they are starting to build up the colony population, you will need to watch closely and make sure that they do not run out of honey stores and starve to death. Good Luck !! Paul Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:15:14 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com> References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22636 On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0800, m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: A queen excluder. This will keep one queen on top and one in the bottom, but let the workers pass through. Pat >can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the >queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual >beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice..... > >thanx, mark Article 22637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:04:35 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 26 Message-ID: <85aq9p$r88$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> <38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.87 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 947448953 27912 12.72.49.87 (9 Jan 2000 20:15:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2000 20:15:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22637 Should be 2 excluders, one directly on top of the other. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com... > On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0800, m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: > A queen excluder. This will keep one queen on top and one in the > bottom, but let the workers pass through. > > Pat > > >can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the > >queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual > >beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice..... > > > >thanx, mark > Article 22638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3878E7E6.64A0A45@davis.com> From: Keith Benson DVM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> <38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.33.145 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 947447723 207.104.33.145 (Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:55:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:55:23 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:55:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22638 "Patrick M. Hennessey" wrote: > > On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0800, m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: > A queen excluder. This will keep one queen on top and one in the > bottom, but let the workers pass through. Would this not allow the quens to still meet and potentially sting one another throught the excluder? Keith -- Keith Benson DVM Resident, Zoological Medicine University of California - Davis Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital www.geocities.com/rainforest/2011 Article 22639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Peter Hawkey & Keith Weeks Subject: Brace combs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0dafc36c.e832da58@usw-ex0109-066.remarq.com> Lines: 18 Bytes: 903 X-Originating-Host: 195.171.228.45 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eKeCqquy9b/07f2no/Ctq6yUtbarrfO0sKWtsOCwsero8L7z57bl+OX08frns+E= Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:08:17 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.66 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 947456506 10.0.2.66 (Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:21:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:21:46 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22639 We are a couple of novice beekeepers (this is our second year) in Aberdeenshire Scotland. Last year was a fairly good year - reasonable supply of honey and all three colonies survived the winter- but this year we have noticed two of our colonies exhibiting strange behaviour. We put new supers on the two hives with new foundations but the bees have ignored it and instead of drawing new comb have built brace comb parrallel to the foundation. One of the hives has also done the same to new brood foundation. Despite having young queens both colonies have remained small in size during the year and have given us a negligable amount of honey. We would appreciate any help or ideas you can give us. Thanks Peter Hawkey & Kieth Weeks * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:43:17 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38791b4d.251983619@news.ncweb.com> References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> <38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com> <85aq9p$r88$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22640 On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:04:35 -0800, "George Styer" wrote: >Should be 2 excluders, one directly on top of the other. This is correct. In my haste I left out some of the details. Not all of the writings on this recommend two excluders; but it would seem prudent to use the two excluders. Also you will need to provide an upper entranced. The copy of "The Hive and the Honey Bee" lists this system as being on page 732, but it is on 632. Good luck. Pat Article 22641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.idt.net!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chickory Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:26:17 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 5 Message-ID: <85bcjk$fnj$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h5-18.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 947467700 16115 63.66.187.18 (10 Jan 2000 01:28:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2000 01:28:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22641 Does anyone know if chickory will make good honey, Ihave at least 75 acres of it growing down the road, and wondering if i should move the hive preacher Article 22642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> <38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com> Subject: Re: 2 queen hives Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Message-ID: <947477072.369174@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Cache-Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-28.wag.interact.net.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:08:42 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 947477073 203.37.7.3 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:04:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:04:33 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22642 This is not an uncommon practice, obviously if one queen fails then you don't loose the hive. The main drawback would be the height of the hive brood box on bottom, excluder, honey super, excluder brood box, for autumn and winter for spring and summer flows you might have to put another honey super in the middle and two on top. -- Barry Metz wrote in message news:38788999.214677935@news.ncweb.com... > On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0800, m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: > A queen excluder. This will keep one queen on top and one in the > bottom, but let the workers pass through. > > Pat > > >can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the > >queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual > >beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice..... > > > >thanx, mark > Article 22643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <84o2fv$ge2$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: purifying small amount of beeswax Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:18:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.89.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 947323124 195.8.89.115 (Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:18:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:18:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22643 Ok folks lets add my two-penny worth. I regularly process small quantities of wax to make candles and wax blocks for the non-beekeepers to buy. YOUR SHOPPING LIST Your partner's nice clean kitchen with cooker (preferably a gas one); A sheet of greaseproof or baking paper or an old baking sheet; A saucepan of water; A thick walled glazed earthen ware jug that pours cleanly (test it first with water); Cleanish beeswax, If you have access to a solar wax extractor - excellent; METHOD Put as much wax as you need plus a bit more (much more if the wax is dirty) into the jug; Put the jug in the saucepan of water; Put the saucepan on the cooker and bring to a rolling boil; Stir the wax occasionally with a disposable stirrer until the wax is dissolved; Prepare your mould and set it onto the greaseproof or baking paper or old baking sheet Lift the jug, wipe the bottom and pour the wax carefully into the mould. NOTES TO TAKE NOTICE OF DON'T put the jug into the boiling water or it's goodbye jug; DON'T clean-up any spills onto the kitchen work top until the spill is stone cold, then use a flat blade scraper. You could be sneaky and spray a little silicone furniture polish onto the worktop before you pour if you want to risk it; The thick walled jug will keep the wax fluid for several minutes; Careful pouring will leave most of the debris at the bottom of the jug, make sure you remove any "floaters" first; If you want to strain the wax then use medical grade lint (furry side up) pegged over a wire coat hanger in the shape of a miniature tennis racket; The more times you heat the wax the paler and more insipid it gets. As I said at the beginning, I regularly pour candles using this method without any mess or fuss, the thick-walled jug is the secret of avoiding mess and grief from your partner. Take your time and enjoy what you are doing. A good mould is worth its weight in beeswax - but that's the subject of a whole set of messages in the future. Good luck. Regards Nick The opinions and information contained in this message are not subject to copyright. All persons have their own opinions and information is where you find it, opinions and information appear to you as you see them. Please respect the opinions and information from other people as you would like yours respected. Always feel free to add your own opinion and information on the subject at hand although they may vary greatly. Article 22644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:08:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8574qn$7fk$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <947293509@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22644 christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) wrote: >If you can't get by with a friendly hand shake find another landowner. By long >tradition the rent for placing a hive of bees is a jar of honey per hive per >year but I do know people who pay in honeycomb or in mead. >Chris Slade >--- > * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) I agree. Even on pollenation contracts a hand shake will do. If they don't pay you just spread the word to other beekeepers. I have never been beat yet. The lawyer will get all the money anyway if you have to get nasty to collect so why bother. All you have to do to find choice spots to keep your bees is run an ad in your local newspaper say "FREE HONEYBEES." You will get more calls than you can shake a stick at. By keeping your bees on vegetable farms, ect. you will find that the farmer will work with you and watch your bees. I have one that doesn't plow under the brocoly crop until it is finished blooming just because he noticed the field humming with bees! Make sure that you will get choice locations that are easy to get to and that you are free to come and go to take care of your bees at anytime. Most will tell you to pick all the vegetables you want to. I leave a quart of honey on a fence post, etc. once a year at each apiary site for the land owner just to let them know that I appreciate what they do for me as well. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jan 2000 13:42:56 GMT References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000108084256.06663.00000855@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22645 >Hello. >I hope you've all had a smooth transition into the 21st century. > >I need to ascertain if I can transport ~50 queen honey bees and associated >attendants in traveling cages, on a public flight, as carry-on luggage. > We ship tens of thousands of queen bees and queen cells. The queen cells are picked up as carry on at the departure ramp after we have the security hand check them. We have no problems with that. The problems we have run into are as follows, 1st the airline pilot has total control on who and what goes in his aircraft. On July 1997 new regulations were established for queenbees transported VIA air. The law says ONLY queen bees maybe transported, NO workers. As a result we have have many USPS express postal shipments rejected at Orlando airport by the PILOTS ONLY. We only use UPS next day air as the result. We still can ship USPS Priority mail because it is subcontracted to Emery who does not have same regulations. We have been told may stories from the airline industry about why queenbees but no workers can be sent, on of which is, IN CASE of an crash the escaped bees might harm the people aboard!!!!???#@#$%% USE the best method, DOn't ask don't tell. Sincerely David Miksa Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 22646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Beekeeping site for Beginners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:18:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.160 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 947485081 151.198.241.160 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:18:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:18:01 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22646 Please stop by my massive website at http://www.beemaster.com which has over 120 pages, 550 photos and 35 educational topics. Over 30 pages dedicated to beekeeping with hundreds of close-up photography http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm I hope you find my site helpful. If so feel free to write me at: mailto:honeybee@beemaster.com Article 22647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38797C78.EB376F36@BEEMASTER.COM> From: John Clayton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:25:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.198.241.160 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 947485531 151.198.241.160 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:25:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:25:31 EST Organization: CSI Online Services (csionline.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22647 Hi Mark:
All you need is a single Queen Excluder between the top and bottom boxes. This is about $10 thru any of the mail order bee supply companies. If you want to stack 2 colonies together and make them one colony, you need to place a few sheets of newspaper at the queen excluder location.

The workers will eat their way thru the paper slowly and will gradually merge scents with the other colony and within a week, it will be ONE large hive with 2 queens.

Please visit my website www.beemaster.com for over 30 pages on beekeeping with hundreds of hi-res photos of my bees at work. Let me know if I have been helpful.

John the Beemaster

m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote:

can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the
queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual
beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice.....

thanx,  mark

Article 22648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Voltz family Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Enhancements for Beekeeping Presentation Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:25:26 -0600 Organization: Internet Express (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4B4ECD5252D9595B.9343DF2E394E4148.63AA004E11BCF7CD@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <3879F9E6.AB8FE14E@netexpress.net> Abuse-Reports-To: newsadmin at netexpress.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Jan 10 09:29:17 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Y?7q0RP"0)%t)j (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22648 Beekeepers: My husband and I began giving beekeeping presentations last year to some area school groups and scout troops visiting our pumpkin patch. New to giving the beekeeping presentations, we simply showed them the equipment and attempted to give them an overall presentation on honeybees, beekeeping, and how they affect our pumpkin patch. Weather permitting, we put a frame in our observation hive for them to see. This year, we'd like to improve on our presentations, and possibly consider traveling to local schools to give the presentation. We are looking for sources for slides and/or photographs (at least 10x13) of honeybees doing their various duties in life. Also, for our pumpkin patch presentations, we hand out coloring books to the younger students. We would like to put together a very simple booklet to recap some of the highlights of the beekeeping presentation. So, we will be looking for black & white pictures of the honeybees (queen, drone, worker) doing their various duties in life. I'd appreciate any help any of you can provide. Sue Article 22649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.comxxx (Jeff Reader) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Long Deep Hives? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jan 2000 16:12:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000110111232.25723.00001518@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22649 Get a copy of the Jan 2000 American Bee Journal. In has plans and an how to use it. Jeff Reader No XXX in my E-mail Article 22650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: formic acid gel packs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:56:34 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <387A0F42.84EDB306@mwci.net> References: <01bf57ed$ff9231e0$75c9a1d0@default> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22650 The gel packs have just been advertised in the latest ABJ under the name Apicure. Looks like all of the major bee supply houses will be carrying it. Chris Sauer Colesburg Apiaries www.greathoney.com Bob Young wrote: > Is formic acid gel available in the USA yet? > If not, will it be soon? > Bob Y. Article 22651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:41:59 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 43 Message-ID: <855mkk$4nv$1@front2.grolier.fr> References: <84vfkh$jk8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <20000105181546.06964.00000706@ng-cj1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-39-2.wmar.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front2.grolier.fr 947281364 4863 213.44.39.2 (7 Jan 2000 21:42:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2000 21:42:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22651 Bonjour, Here, in south of France on the Mediterranean sea side, we are used to encounter that "so multi colored and tropical looking" bird. They are called "chasseurs d'Afrique" (african hunters) or "Guepiers d'Europe" (european wasp eater) and are school living. They dig underground galleries into sandy walls of rivers to nest. You can see them in summer roosting on electrical wires from where they fly very fast hunting flying insects. Those beautiful birds are quite not welcomed by bee-keepers, when you have some of them roosting around your hives the only way is to take them away unless the birds would eat all the flying workers. You cannot shoot them because it is a protected species. At fall they fly south to spend winter time in Africa. I tried to attach a picture to show what the birds look like but the server refused to send. If somebody is interested just ask for and I will send it personally. Regards -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Orangerose a écrit dans le message : 20000105181546.06964.00000706@ng-cj1.aol.com... > Don't know about the moths, but I saw another special on the bee eater birds > awhile back, and I seem to remember that they are from the tropics--either SE > Asia or Africa. I can't imagine a bird so multi colored and tropical looking > in Europe... > > > Kelly > > Article 22652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5.cableinet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!news3.cableinet.net!news2.cluster1.telinco.net!212.1.148.207 Message-ID: <387A33A9.2F1086EC@appleonline.net> From: "D.Spy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neglected Hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:31:57 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.128.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telinco.net X-Trace: news3.cableinet.net 947532586 212.1.128.155 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:29:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:29:46 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22652 Hi, I'm new to the group so a quick introduction is in order. I live in Scotland and have been keeping bees, in a small way, for a few years now but still think of myself as a beginner - there's so much to learn! My main problem is finding time away from family or work to spend with the bees! Anyway, here's where I'd like some advice. I have "inherited" about six hives from a retired beekeeper, but they haven't been touched for at least three years! They all appeared to have healthy colonies before the winter. What is the best way to deal with them? I imagine that they will be glued solid with propolis and brace comb and I don't know if I'll even be able to open them up never mind getting down into the brood! I am anxious to deal with them in the spring as they will need to be tested for varroa which has recently been found in this part of the country. (There's a clue to my location for any other Scottish beekeepers!) Any advice will be most helpful - many thanks. Donald. Article 22653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paint the inside??? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jan 2000 21:43:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000110164329.01423.00001228@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22653 honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk asked << May I print this in our next Newsletter? It is a good piece of information. >> >> Sure, but I should give you more information.<< Sorry about the delay but I've been sick with the flu for several days. Today I took a piece of the plywood to a paint store to get an expert opinion. The older paint is an oil based enamel. This had been painted over with some type of acrylic latex and it did not bond well with the old and different type of paint. I guess the bees detected this and decided to strip it down to the base enamel. Funny that only one hive did this. The other hive in close proximity didn't remove any paint. I'm sticking with unpainted interiors from now on. Herb Campbell Article 22654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Beekeeping site for Beginners Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:16:57 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 22 Message-ID: <85dllk$ap8$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.142 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 947542516 11048 12.72.45.142 (10 Jan 2000 22:15:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2000 22:15:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22654 I couldn't contact either of these URL's. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "John Clayton" wrote in message news:38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM... > Please stop by my massive website at http://www.beemaster.com which > has over 120 pages, 550 photos and 35 educational topics. Over 30 pages > dedicated to beekeeping with hundreds of close-up photography > http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm > > I hope you find my site helpful. If so feel free to write me at: > mailto:honeybee@beemaster.com > Article 22655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hoop Snakes in North Carolina Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 947367135 216.100.16.35 (Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:32:15 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:32:15 MST Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 21:32:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22655 Say Big Johnson I just watched Roy Underhill on PBS and learned all about the hoop snakes on Bass Mountain in North Carolina. Apparently these creatures will climb trees up the bark and then when they attack they roll themselves into a circle and then start to roll toward you down Bass Mountain. When they are almost upon you, they straighten out and fly at you like an arrow and stab you with the stinger in their tail. Roy's uncle was attacked by one but the hoop snake stung a sapling instead which caused the sapling to swell up so large that Roy's uncle was able to get inside the sapling and carve a wooden ball in cage carving with his axe. This North Carolina has to be something else! Article 22656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!netscum.int!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping software Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:08:18 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 28 Message-ID: <85do00$d0q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <38791766.388C@ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip55.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 947544896 13338 195.249.242.55 (10 Jan 2000 22:54:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2000 22:54:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22656 m12345@ihug.co.nz skrev i meddelelsen <38791766.388C@ihug.co.nz>... >can anyone remember the website of the "bidata" beekeeping software?.... You can get it from http://apimo.dk , It seams though that there are some difficulties in getting it down, but I have now agreed with Ken Morris in Australia, that he will carry it to on the FTP server he have access to. I will give you the URL, when He have received my CD and got it up. By the way, On my CD that I offer to the world, is also other interesting beekeeping stuff, and also some beekeeping related spread sheets. You will also get the Varroa report translated into English. The Varroa report is a contribution to the world about how to fight the Varroa in a ecological way using formic acid oxalic acid. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 22657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Enhancements for Beekeeping Presentation Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:30:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3879444B.FFC96137@usol.com> References: <4B4ECD5252D9595B.9343DF2E394E4148.63AA004E11BCF7CD@lp.airnews.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22657 i have never done a presentation, but i do know that Dadant sells a set of gorgeous color poster/pic i think 12 by 23 inches or something like that at 12in a set for 24 bucks. i plan on buying that set, myself Article 22658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jan 2000 23:33:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22658 I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 22659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hoop Snakes in North Carolina Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:35:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38794583.8BBE81F5@usol.com> References: <947376603.375840@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> <20000110063158.01014.00000880@ng-ci1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22659 i have heard that moth balls repel snakes so maybe you can put some in your sleeping area if you camp out or something, otherwise, grow eyes all over your head.lol... Article 22660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.tli.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neglected hives Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:12:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <38792D00.1A86376@appleonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947550484 nnrp-11:12012 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 72 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22660 In article <38792D00.1A86376@appleonline.net>, D.Spy writes >I'm new to the group so a quick introduction is in order. I live >in Scotland and have been keeping bees, in a small way, for a few >years now but still think of myself as a beginner - there's so >much to learn! Yes indeed! >Anyway, here's where I'd like some advice. I have "inherited" >about six hives from a retired beekeeper, but they haven't been >touched for at least three years! They all appeared to have >healthy colonies before the winter. What is the best way to deal >with them? I imagine that they will be glued solid with propolis >and brace comb and I don't know if I'll even be able to open them >up never mind getting down into the brood! I have had such a hive or two like that before. I prefer to aim for a complete renovation over a couple of years by replacing all old comb and frames as often as it is feasible. This means being quite ruthless. I prefer clean comb (no more than 3 years old) and clean frames and wood (like the bees do). I'd open one as soon as it is warm enough to get an idea of the general state of affairs. Then at least you'll know the worst. If the situation seems daunting, ask a friend from your local association to help. Many would be eager to help out. Choose a nice warm day!! (for yourself as well as the bees. Don't prolong the work if it's cool). Just on the point of a spring flow you can replace frames with new foundation. If you have been able to keep drawn frames over winter, then you can start a little earlier as soon as it is warm enough to open up. Working from the outside away from the brood, remove all very dark combs. You can cut the stores out and give them back over the crown board, in a feeder if you have them without the glass or metal normally used to keep them from drowning. (You may have to turn the comb over to give complete access to honey stores.) Place a new frame or two next to the brood. You can do this from the other side too, but ensure they have stores in the next frame. In a good flow they'll draw 2 or 3 out quite quickly and more if conditions are right. Continue as they cope with drawing comb. It's a balance between clearing them out quickly and not stressing them or slowing down the brood rearing too much. With varroa, cleanliness is now even more important. You might prefer to put in only one new frame each week to reduce stress and take one out, but you might end up with fewer frames changed. It's going to take a couple of seasons anyway. If you can, clean up an extra floor, crown board and hive body and swap one hive over. Then you can clean it all up and flame the original. Repeat for all the hives, as quickly as you can afford the time, using the new clean hive as the replacement each time. If you haven't got a spare hive borrow or make one. It will make life easier. You can give it back at the end of the cycle by completing the circle. Some beekeepers would put a complete hive body, full of frames with foundation above the old body. Once they are drawn, you can swap the bodies over. When all brood above is hatched, and all laying is below, then you can do what you like with the old hive: extract it *for yourself*, feed it back to the bees. Supers are generally less of a problem but the same goes. Give as much new comb to draw as they'll manage. Take out all old comb. Melt the wax and exchange it for new foundation or make candles with it. I sold a greater value of candles than honey last year! > I am anxious to deal >with them in the spring as they will need to be tested for varroa >which has recently been found in this part of the country. If you test for varroa in one hive (the strongest) and you get some knockdown (say under 100), you may decide to wait till autumn. But any positive count means continuing the full treatment for that hive for the full time (if you use Apistan or Bayvarol). -- James Kilty Article 22661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:59:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22661 rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) wrote: >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? > Richard Flanagan >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 It works good on treaheal mites. Any hives that I have seen with the stuff on them looked like it worked pretty good on the bees as well. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: warm january = sugar candy? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:46:15 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 67 Message-ID: <387B5E57.B485BE85@riverace.com> References: <38794383.EB19AAB1@usol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 1KxtK61WmG6uadFy2SA+CG5Slgw96aHV6TPi1ZfIeTY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2000 16:46:17 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22662 shelley corbin wrote: > > i havent check my hive, but its been warm since jan 1. they must be > eating a lot of honey, i will check it tomarrow. its 45 degree weather > here in detroit mich. should i give them 1 to 1 sugar syrup or sugar > candy. anybody have a recipie for sugar candy? it was told to me, but i > forgot that quick. > svcorbin@usol.com You should lift up the back of your hive to see if it's significantly lighter than it was a month or two ago. If it feels light, you should feed them. This recipe was posted here a short time ago: Subject: Re: bee candy Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:26:56 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell To: Dennis Crutchfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: 1 Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > I would like to know How much sugar to water to make bee candy , and how > much vinegar to put in it please. > preacher 5 lbs sugar 1 pint water bring to boil and heat to 242-245F Pour onto greased cookie sheet to a depth of no more than 3/8 inch so fits under inverted inner cover- or on it if not inverted. Put it over the cluster or on the inner cover. I use about a quarter sheet per hive, but I also overwinter with well in excess of 100lbs of honey per hive. The candy is only for emergency food in case of a cold snap in the spring and the bees cannot get at the honey, but can get to the candy since it is right over them. The sugar slab is white and taken up well by the bees. I freeze excess and use it the next year with no problems. The recipe is similar to the one in Hive and Honey Bee as far as temperature is concerned, but does not use Cream of tartar. Never use Cream of Tartar. It does cause dysentary. You will probably not see the effects in warm climates in the spring with normal rapid buildup and the bees can fly and void, but it will slow them down, so why use it. My guess is vinegar is used for the same reason, to inver the sugar. I would not use it in bee candy. Bill T Bath, ME If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 22663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Beekeeping site for Beginners Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:45:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <85ftnp$fkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM> <85dllk$ap8$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 11 18:45:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22663 In article <85dllk$ap8$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > I couldn't contact either of these URL's. I didn't have any problems. Some of the links are broken, but other than that, it appears to be a well done site... > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > "John Clayton" wrote in message > news:38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM... > > Please stop by my massive website at http://www.beemaster.com which > > has over 120 pages, 550 photos and 35 educational topics. Over 30 pages > > dedicated to beekeeping with hundreds of close-up photography > > http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm > > > > I hope you find my site helpful. If so feel free to write me at: > > mailto:honeybee@beemaster.com > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:23:18 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6xFi21Mx7Jyzqel/W/X8Owg?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22664 Hi For those who haven't been reading BEE-L lately, I thought that maybe I should mention that there have been some pretty good discussions there lately. Here are some BEE-L tips: If you prefer reading on the web over receiving email or you just want to se what BEE-L is doing these days without joining, just point to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l/ and choose "How can I find out what has been discussed?". There you'll find all the discussions over the past decade laid out in reverse chronological order and you can browse to your heart's content. Maybe you want information on a particular subject: If so, then choose "Can I Search the BEE-L Archives" on the same page, and look for articles containing any word or combination of words. The search help is actually helpful too. If you decide you want to continue a discussion, even one that left off years ago, you can re-start any thread there by selecting 'reply'. (Be sure to register to post before doing so, though). Some of us prefer to get our daily BEE-L fix by automatic email delivery, rather than having to visit the web site regularly, so we choose "How do I join BEE-L?" and join, either requesting individual email messages, or a daily digest which contains the whole days discussion in one single message. http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l/ also has a pointer to the "Rules for Posting" which are a 'must read' before writing to BEE-L. The criteria are quite simple and reasonable and ensure that the list continues to be polite, easy to read and relevant. No matter how you read BEE-L, I think you'll enjoy it. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l/ Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JoJo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947635621 209.179.121.117 (Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:07:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:07:01 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Tue Jan 11 16:07:01 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:07:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22666 Thank you everybody for all the great replies to my questions. They have been extremely helpful and greatly appreciated! -Kellen Weissenbach White Brook Farm Hoyt, Kansas ******************************************************* Get paid to surf the web! Make money doing something you enjoy. It's easy, fun and profitable! Go to: http://www1.50megs.com/cashtime ******************************************************* Article 22667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Beekeeping site for Beginners Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:46:47 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 48 Message-ID: <85gisp$qvp$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM> <85dllk$ap8$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <85ftnp$fkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.36 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 947637977 27641 12.72.41.36 (12 Jan 2000 00:46:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 00:46:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22667 Yeah, it is working now. I must have hit it during a server problem the first time. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Glenn West" wrote in message news:85ftnp$fkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <85dllk$ap8$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, > "George Styer" wrote: > > I couldn't contact either of these URL's. > > I didn't have any problems. Some of the links are broken, but other > than that, it appears to be a well done site... > > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > "John Clayton" wrote in message > > news:38797AB5.8D12C486@BEEMASTER.COM... > > > Please stop by my massive website at http://www.beemaster.com > which > > > has over 120 pages, 550 photos and 35 educational topics. Over 30 > pages > > > dedicated to beekeeping with hundreds of close-up photography > > > http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm > > > > > > I hope you find my site helpful. If so feel free to write me at: > > > mailto:honeybee@beemaster.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 22668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: HEY JOJO READ THIS Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Message-ID: <110120001844506373%NO_SPAM_THANKS@mail.com> References: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 78 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:44:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.159 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 947641451 161.184.141.159 (Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:44:11 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:44:11 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22668 Folks this is a message that was posted regarding JOJO in alt.agriculture IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT. JOJO it's funny that you post a message about a spammner in alt.agriculture when you are posting a message here with a signature file which is a spam ad in itself. LOOK WHO IS CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK Not only that but your "Reply" in this group has no references attached according to the server - which indicates that your post was an original that started with Re: Spammers are starting to do that a lot you know. In any case you are the one who sounds like a lamer........ YOU WILL HAVE TO READ THE HEADERS FOLKS AND CHECK AGAINST THE HEADERS IN HIS POST IN ALT.AGRICULTURE IDENTICAL------> I do believe. Follow his link on his signiture file and you will see that he is promoting 9 different GET PAID TO SURF SITES. As most of the people in this newsgroup already know these types of sites are spamming their message into every newsgroup and are considered the current scourge of usenet. And JOJO is promoting 9 of them....... GO FIGURE RECENTLY IN ALT.AGRICULTURE > JoJo wrote: > No you didn't... you're spamming to promote your own site.... lamer. > > >Wanda Poppe wrote in message <3878F82C.BCDC940F@ndak.net>... > >I was surfing and found this great site for nut trees. > > > >http://www.nuttrees.net > > > > Path: From: "JoJo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <112cf6a7.6c861f35@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com> Subject: Re: Topeka, KS: Looking for a beekeeping expert Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947635621 209.179.121.117 (Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:07:01 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:07:01 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Tue Jan 11 16:07:01 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:07:01 GMT Thank you everybody for all the great replies to my questions. They have been extremely helpful and greatly appreciated! -Kellen Weissenbach White Brook Farm Hoyt, Kansas ******************************************************* Get paid to surf the web! Make money doing something you enjoy. It's easy, fun and profitable! Go to: http://www1.50megs.com/cashtime ******************************************************* Article 22669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom in Honey Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jan 2000 23:12:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22669 Recently pedroperez@airtel.net posted something on the Apither-L@sci.fi list about bees placing a drop of venom in the honey cell to help preserve it. This was news to me and some others. Pedro then gave his source: >>My source of information is the book in spanish "Cria Moderna de abejas" by Melchor Biri and J.M. Alemany Albert - Edit. de Vecchi - Balmes,247 - Barcelona (Spain) - 1.979 -page 87. << I haven't located the book yet, (and probably couldn't read it if I did). Has anyone here heard of venom in honey, and is there a reference in English about it? As much as honey has been analyzed we would expect some other mention of it. Herb Article 22670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!news5.cableinet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!news3.cableinet.net!news2.cluster1.telinco.net!212.1.153.25 Message-ID: <38792D00.1A86376@appleonline.net> From: "D.Spy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neglected hives References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:51:20 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.128.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telinco.net X-Trace: news3.cableinet.net 947465349 212.1.128.155 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:49:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:49:09 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22670 Hi, I'm new to the group so a quick introduction is in order. I live in Scotland and have been keeping bees, in a small way, for a few years now but still think of myself as a beginner - there's so much to learn! My main problem is finding time away from family or work to spend with the bees! Anyway, here's where I'd like some advice. I have "inherited" about six hives from a retired beekeeper, but they haven't been touched for at least three years! They all appeared to have healthy colonies before the winter. What is the best way to deal with them? I imagine that they will be glued solid with propolis and brace comb and I don't know if I'll even be able to open them up never mind getting down into the brood! I am anxious to deal with them in the spring as they will need to be tested for varroa which has recently been found in this part of the country. (There's a clue to my location for any other Scottish beekeepers!) Any advice will be most helpful - many thanks. Donald. Article 22671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in Winter Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:49:53 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 25 Message-ID: <85cah3$bmo$1@gxsn.com> References: <38749eff.665897343@news.usenetserver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.231.36 X-Trace: 947498339 1NNUCNF1GE724C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22671 Agreed Here in Gloucestershire UK my bees needed very little feed for the winter In late August they were still piling in the stores and this seemed to continue well into the Autumn I've not seen such strong colonies go into the winter and I suspect that this why drones have hung on so long Just hope the large population does n't eat all the stores before next mid-April I bid them hello on New Years day and they wished me a happy New Year Cheers Chris Dave Hamilton wrote in message <38749eff.665897343@news.usenetserver.com>... >Nick > >Throwing the drones out is related to the dearth of pollen not >necessarily the temperature. I don't know how the fall was in the UK >but here in the midwest we had a beautiful warm fall and a warm winter >( for us ). They may have brought pollen in all fall??? > >Dave Article 22672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hoop Snakes in North Carolina Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jan 2000 11:31:58 GMT References: <947376603.375840@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000110063158.01014.00000880@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22672 Yeah them hoop snakes has worried a many a farm hand over the years. an the dang things love ta dance through a field a tabacco knockin the leaves offen all the stalks. Now our wampus cat puts them australian thingys ta shame though, many a boy scout has been terrified clean outa his sleepin bag by the horrendious squawl and viscious toothies of one a those varmits Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3879CE11.6B4F50AD@together.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:18:26 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queen hives References: <38791651.4138@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-112-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 10 Jan 2000 14:41:27 -0500, dial-112-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-112-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22673 I like to use a solid inner cover(one with no hole in the middle). Let the upper queen lay for 4-6 weeks, and then unite the two, dispatching the old queen. This reduces the height of the colony, and the amount of lifting.There are two queens laying for several weeks, so total brood, and population, goes way up. The colony is also requeened. m12345@ihug.co.nz wrote: > can anyone tell me what piece of apparatus is used to separate the > queens in a 2 queen hive? i can't find any references in my usual > beekeeping books. a jpg or gif wld be nice..... > > thanx, mark Article 22675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:22:11 +0000 From: sonny green Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-3.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 947646891 32277 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22675 honeybs wrote: > rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) wrote: > > >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is > >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected > >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell > >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? > > > Richard Flanagan > >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 > > It works good on treaheal mites. Any hives that I have seen > with the stuff on them looked like it worked pretty good on > the bees as well. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > What are you saying Greg? That the Formic Acid Gel kills the varroa and the bees!! L.E.G. Article 22676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "pskuhn" From: "pskuhn" Newsgroups: ntu.dep.agri_eng,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: --F/S WEST VIRGINIA LAND Lines: 25 Organization: news.gte.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <3OTe4.2612$8X5.38487@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /Kw5eGgnJNcjMJMZSdIJdCxUhfA3WRdlftECqH2vVk94xUiG/YTDMA9OvoBlaaNeLiUzjiOJSPp8!3KoF7ICNF+LT2ADYrdK7g6rcMbbhRVSHJZ+m7e4A5RDE6ApWE00fi/9HA58jA33qZLMDJ6o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:54:23 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:54:23 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture:39653 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22676 sci.agriculture.fruit:3303 sci.agriculture.poultry:19261 --F/S WEST VIRGINIA LAND --PROPERTY FOR MINI FARM, SUBDIVISION OR A CAMP GETAWAY GREAT HUNTING AND FISHING Beautiful scenic tract of land next to a county road. Approximately four acres, but has not been surveyed. Selling as a tract and not as to the number of acres. Boundary runs with the middle of a stream which contains native muskie fish. Several building sites on sloping land. The bottom land overflows occasionally. No minerals. Good roads to the property and electric and telephone are available. Located approximately 14 miles from a new Toyota Manufacturing Plant in Buffalo, Mason County, West Virginia. $26,500.00 firm. Reply by email to pskuhn@gte.net or call 941-683-8061 Article 22677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need address for Walter T. Kelly Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:57:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <85gqj2$5du$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 12 02:57:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.101 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22677 > "Gordon Hayes" wrote: > I am needing the address for the Walter T. Kelly Co. > Gordon Hayes > New Harmony, Indiana, USA *********************************** Howdy Gordon -- Walter T. Kelley Co. PO Box 240, Clarkson, KY 42726 1-800-233-2899 Fax = 270-242-4801 Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "pskuhn" From: "pskuhn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,uk.business.agriculture Subject: =--F/S WEST VIRGINIA LAND Lines: 25 Organization: news.gte.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: X-Trace: /Kw5eCnhyFzcEvOxnUzRfs5ko7jQ57BB/vb9GqtHcA6v/KQEme083a62rWzsVa/ITcQzqrxOyy72!edNj8dkOKmQKXtgCWi3/Y9JwRmQW13FsO+GkzS2vGPXtSo5/d/PgGK+geVTcTHP5YwkWBTk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:56:55 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:56:55 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22678 sci.agriculture.fruit:3304 sci.agriculture.poultry:19262 sci.agriculture.ratites:1573 --F/S WEST VIRGINIA LAND --PROPERTY FOR MINI FARM, SUBDIVISION OR A CAMP GETAWAY GREAT HUNTING AND FISHING Beautiful scenic tract of land next to a county road. Approximately four acres, but has not been surveyed. Selling as a tract and not as to the number of acres. Boundary runs with the middle of a stream which contains native muskie fish. Several building sites on sloping land. The bottom land overflows occasionally. No minerals. Good roads to the property and electric and telephone are available. Located approximately 14 miles from a new Toyota Manufacturing Plant in Buffalo, Mason County, West Virginia. $26,500.00 firm. Reply by email to pskuhn@gte.net or call 941-683-8061 Article 22679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 2000 05:13:50 GMT References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000112001350.01817.00000040@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22679 From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It >is >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? Until we can get resistant bees, we are stuck with treating them. To avoid build up of resistance, a preferred technique is to alternate treatments with two different materials, with different mechanisms. Until now, we've had only Apistan in the US. More and more reports come, of mites that are resistant to Apistan. I'm going to try alternating, with formic gel for one season, and back to Apistan the next. So far, Apistan has given adequate control for me, and I don't want that to change. The new coumaphos strips are another option, but they only have emergency registration, and we don't know how long it will be available. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:20:04 -0800 Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 41 Message-ID: Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.23.12.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 947654560 24373 63.23.12.36 (12 Jan 2000 05:22:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 05:22:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22680 On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:23:18 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >For those who haven't been reading BEE-L lately, I thought that maybe I should >mention that there have been some pretty good discussions there lately. Allen, maybe you can explain to all of us why my recent post Re: CHALKBROOD did not appear on the BEE-L. I have been fighting chalkbrood for years and trying everything I could think of to control it. Here in my area the hives that get chalkbrood just do not get over it and go into the winter in a very weakened state and typically do not survive. This year I hit upon the idea of removing the bottom board to eliminate contact with the mummies as a source of infection. This has proved to be the cure that I have been searching for and wish that I had known about it years earlier. If moderation of BEE-L has killed my article, copied below, it confirms my suspicion that maybe moderation is not such a good idea and brings back memories of the treatment of Elroy Rogers. Cheers On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:16:23 EST, CSlade777@AOL.COM wrote: >Has there been any recent research on Chalkbrood? When I started beekeeping >it was pointed out as something I should be able to recognise so as not to >confuse it with anything serious. You would find a small amount in most >hives but not much in any although the spores were everywhere. Now it is >running wild in many hives. The increase seems to coincide with the arrival >of varroa but this may be only a coincidence. It does not seem to subside in >a hive after treatment for varroa. We used to be told that damp hives were >the cause, but the brood nest where it is to be found has the temperature and >humidity rigidly controlled by the bees. I have read that increased CO2 >levels to be found near respiring brood are a trigger, but again the bees are >sensitive to CO2 and are efficient at air conditioning. Have people who have >increased ventillation in their hives through open mesh floors or additional >entrances found it helps reduce Chalkbrood? I found what seems to be a cure for chronic chalkbrood this year. After trying a great many things over the years, I decided to remove the bottom boards from the hives that kept producing chalk brood mummies. My hives are 16 in. off the ground, and this allowed the mummies to fall to the ground. I have decided that this removed the source of the ongoing infection and allowed the bees to recover. The chalkbrood hives always had piles of mummies on the bottom board, and removing the bottom boards got rid of them. Recovery took about two weeks, and I did not notice any adverse effects from the bottomless interval. -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net Los Altos Hills California fax 650 941-3488 Article 22681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brace combs Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:32:25 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 32 Message-ID: <85hanu$na8$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <0dafc36c.e832da58@usw-ex0109-066.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p216.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 947662398 23880 159.134.232.216 (12 Jan 2000 07:33:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 07:33:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22681 Isn't it very early to place foundation into supers up there in the North of Scotland. Don't place supers on until the brood boxes are full and if you are using foundation you will need a honey flow on before they will draw it. Ruary Rudd Peter Hawkey & Keith Weeks wrote in message news:0dafc36c.e832da58@usw-ex0109-066.remarq.com... > We are a couple of novice beekeepers (this is our second > year) in Aberdeenshire Scotland. Last year was a fairly > good year - reasonable supply of honey and all three > colonies survived the winter- but this year we have noticed > two of our colonies exhibiting strange behaviour. We put > new supers on the two hives with new foundations but the > bees have ignored it and instead of drawing new comb have > built brace comb parrallel to the foundation. One of the > hives has also done the same to new brood foundation. > Despite having young queens both colonies have remained > small in size during the year and have given us a > negligable amount of honey. We would appreciate any help or > ideas you can give us. > > Thanks Peter Hawkey & Kieth Weeks > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: warm january = sugar candy? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:40:34 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <85hanu$na8$2@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <38794383.EB19AAB1@usol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p216.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 947662398 23880 159.134.232.216 (12 Jan 2000 07:33:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 07:33:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22682 shelley corbin wrote in message news:38794383.EB19AAB1@usol.com... >. should i give them 1 to 1 sugar syrup or sugar > candy. anybody have a recipie for sugar candy? it was told to me, but i > forgot that quick. > svcorbin@usol.com > > many thanks. 1 part water to 5 parts sugar dissolve completely, boil to 234 degrees Fahrenheit stirring continually, Take off heat and cool stirring until it starts to go white Place in containers quickly Ruary Rudd Article 22683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neglected Hives Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:32:51 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 41 Message-ID: <85icu3$58g$1@gxsn.com> References: <387A33A9.2F1086EC@appleonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.216.221 X-Trace: 947697411 1NNUCNF1GD8DDC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22683 My most exciting/frightening beekeeping experience was a similar situation Late in the season I had to open up three hives with supers after 5 years of inattention I used a bolster chisel and lump hammer to split the hives which were already a mean strain It was a real tornado But your bees will be a delight to open having only started to build up for the Spring I suggest you open them up on a warm day in late March or early April when the propolis is likely to be still brittle and will hopefully crack open easily Make sure your smoker is going well and have several wooden wedges to hand and if it is mild enough re-House them in clean equipment with a varroa floor Best wishes Chris D.Spy wrote in message <387A33A9.2F1086EC@appleonline.net>... >Hi, > >I'm new to the group so a quick introduction is in order. I live >in Scotland and have been keeping bees, in a small way, for a few >years now but still think of myself as a beginner - there's so >much to learn! My main problem is finding time away from family >or work to spend with the bees! > >Anyway, here's where I'd like some advice. I have "inherited" >about six hives from a retired beekeeper, but they haven't been >touched for at least three years! They all appeared to have >healthy colonies before the winter. What is the best way to deal >with them? I imagine that they will be glued solid with propolis >and brace comb and I don't know if I'll even be able to open them >up never mind getting down into the brood! I am anxious to deal >with them in the spring as they will need to be tested for varroa >which has recently been found in this part of the country. >(There's a clue to my location for any other Scottish beekeepers!) > >Any advice will be most helpful - many thanks. > >Donald. Article 22684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: marionhale@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another way with mites Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:35:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <85il2h$g3a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.80.238.42 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 12 19:35:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 STUDENTS, 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.80.238.42 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmarionhale Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22684 In Message-ID: Author: STIG HANSSON wrote: >Hi everybody! >I live in Sweden where many beekepers use different sorts of acids to control mite. I'd like to >know how beekepers around the world handle this problem. >Doris from Gotland I dont think any one has developed the Varroa-Scabies link. If there is such a thing (outlined at http:/xxlice.tripod.com) it might help. Marion Hale Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:54:19 GMT References: <386E095B.1333661B@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000112145419.21404.00001975@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22685 >connie & mike wrote: > >> We are new beekeepers ( 1 week old) WELCOME, Connie and Mike, Unfortunately I've lost your original post that I just read a few minutes ago. How do we get posts back in a thread on this board after we read them? Mark the thread as "unread" will do it, but that's not possible if we get licked off line as we are going through the thread. Anyway it sounds like you have received a lot of good advice and several good links to study more about the fascinating world of bees. Let me add another list you should check out to learn more about stings and uses of all the products of the hive. >>The Apitheripy List recognizes the following commands in the subject field of messages sent to the Apitherapy-L mailing list at Apither-L@sci.fi: SUBSCRIBE subscribe to the list << Lots of good information there from all over the world including how to become desensitized to bee stings. Mike said >> > Anyway- what I am getting at is that if the family keeps bees, then >everyone should receive stings regularly. Don't rely on an epipen to solve >the >problem. Protect yourself and your kids the correct way. I don't mean to be >cruel, but it is really the best way.<< Thanks, Mike. My daughter and I have been keeping bees about ten months now and had not considered that. We kept the extra Epipen kits, benadryl tablets and liquid, some homeopathic drops, but you are right. The most sure way has to be actual stings. Herb > Gaelen starts venom therapy in January. Once desensitised she shouldn't >hace to carry her epipen everywhere she goes. Mike Article 22686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:48:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 12 19:48:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22686 > Allen, maybe you can explain to all of us why my recent post Re: > CHALKBROOD did not appear on the BEE-L I don't recall seeing it, but then, I've been away for a week. http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ has links 1.) explaining how to post and 2.) why any particular post might not be approved for BEE-L From what you posted here, I can see an obvious problem. Can you? allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm -- Allen Dick ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:34:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <85is0n$ljt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.185 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 12 21:34:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.185 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22687 > I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for > varroa mites . It is using formic acid in a gel form to help > stem the decline of varroa infected bees. Is this a new magic > bullet help cure or another attempt to sell beekeepers a > medicine that may or may not work??? Formic works reasonably on *both* mites, and if used according to directions appears to do not harm to the bees. I used 55 gallons (US) of it this year with good effect. The gel application is the only formic application method in the USA, although worldwide many other methods of application are used. Bob at Betterbee gets the kudos for bringing a legal formic treatment (finally) to the US. The gel idea has been around for quite a while and has been tried by several scientists in Canada and by Willy at Medivet. The Canadians have never bothered to follow up and perfect the gel method because are some drawbacks to the gel, as compared with other methods. The main advantage is that it should be almost *totally* safe for those handling it. The methods we use are cheaper, but have some risks in comparison. Rather than try to reproduce the massive amounts of info that have been posted here and on BEE-L about formic acid, or the contents of a website dedicated to using formic and oxalic acids, I will refer you to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ On the menu on the left of that page, choose "Varroa & Formic" or "BEE- L Mailing List". The former takes you to a page with many links and some pictures, the latter takes you to a site where you can call up all the BEE-L articles about 'formic' if you wish. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Enhancements for Beekeeping Presentation Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:19:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4B4ECD5252D9595B.9343DF2E394E4148.63AA004E11BCF7CD@lp.airnews.net> <3879444B.FFC96137@usol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947550485 nnrp-11:12012 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22688 In article <3879444B.FFC96137@usol.com>, shelley corbin writes >i have never done a presentation, but i do know that Dadant sells a set >of gorgeous color poster/pic i think 12 by 23 inches or something like >that at 12in a set for 24 bucks. i plan on buying that set, myself > They are excellent. I have them displayed in my Bee Centre where I get lots of young people. I always stop what I am doing (e.g. pouring candles) for the children. I will change some of them for pictures with dark bees though as most are yellow. So, if yours are yellow, they'll see the same thing in the picture as in real life! -- James Kilty Article 22689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: froggy4450@aol.com (Froggy4450) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jan 2000 01:25:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000112202553.01085.00001826@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22689 I had the same problem recently. It turned out my article had never been received by any of the moderators due to a technical glitch, probably in their server. I sent a separate email to one of the moderators asking what the deal was. Some weeks later I heard back. He explained about not receiving it, and said if I resubmitted he would approve it. It takes those guys awhile to respond because they get hundreds of emails, making them busy people. Did you try contacting Allen personally before you raised the flag here? Or how about some of the other moderators? Better to try discretion and a little patience before raising the flame flag over here. This will probably wind up being one of those threads that gets 40 responses about how we talk to each other about bees instead of about the bees themselves. Thank you for sharing your solution. It'll be good to know if I ever have a chalkbrood problem. Could improved circulation brought about by removing the bottom board have caused your recovery? I understand circulation is an issue with chalkbrood. -- please respond to Jmitc1014@aol.com (travelling under an assumed name for tonight only) Article 22690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: froggy4450@aol.com (Froggy4450) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unfinished business Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jan 2000 01:30:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000112203058.01085.00001831@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22690 One of my hives left half a super of honey mostly uncapped. This hive produced pretty well for an afterswarm hived on unwaxed plastic foundation. They just didn't cap that last half super of honey. Is this a one-time fluke due to some environmental factor, or a lousy genetic trait that I'll want to requeen out of them? Anybody else out there have this problem with their bees and care to comment on its significance? signed, jmitc1014@aol.com (travelling under another name tonight) Article 22691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nerves? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:53:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22691 Hi Is it just me or are beekeepers getting edgy this time of year? :) dave Article 22692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:24:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p47.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22692 "L.E.G." wrote: >You are still rather vague. Why don't you tell us straight up what thedeal is? >From what I have read and seen on the news , is that the formic acid gel,( if handled >properly) is non toxic to bees and is close to 100% effictive on varroa and trac. mites. >How about sharing your complete info. >L.E.G. I have been to the bee research lab in Beltsville, Maryland where they were developing the gel packs. The head scientist gave a talk and a slide show previously that spring and all the photos of the hives showed the bees in a rather weak state. I toured of the apiary that summer and the bees appeared much the same. When the hives were opened the bees seemed disoriented and showed no sign of defence at all. They may have been very gentle stock but they just didn't look good to me. Having been a bee inspector in the past I have seen quite a few hives. One can pretty much tell how healthy a hive is when it is first opened by sight and smell. I didn't see any hives with the gell packs that looked or smelled good. I think the gell packs will have their place for treacheal mite control. Maybe two or three days per hive to knock down the population before wintering. It would be cheaper than menthol once you used one pack in several hives. I don't think that I would put the stuff on all my hives for an extended period of time before I tried it on a few first. That would be like putting all your eggs in one basket. There is a reason why the commercial guys buy Maverick - IT WORKS. It is cheap and they are able to keep their bees alive and very healthy while the hobbyists play with their apistan and replace 50+% of their bees each spring. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:18:25 -0800 Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.71.217 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 947737262 739 12.72.71.217 (13 Jan 2000 04:21:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2000 04:21:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22693 My bees tell me Allen Dick wrote: >I don't recall seeing it, but then, I've been away for a week. > >http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ has links > >1.) explaining how to post and >2.) why any particular post might not be approved for BEE-L > >From what you posted here, I can see an obvious problem. Can you? I read the guidelines for posting and could find no obvious problem with my post. I left in the whole original text because it was only 13 lines and helped to explain the current extent of the chalkbrood problem. For those of us who might have difficulty understanding why my post might not have been acceptable, would you please enlighten us? And also could you please identify the faceless guardians of the BEE-L, so that we might appeal to them when we feel we have been unfairly rejected? Thanks Article 22694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:47:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 95 Message-ID: <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 13 12:47:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.189 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22694 > I read the guidelines for posting I'm glad you did. Many don't. > and could find no obvious problem with my post. I left in the whole original text because it was only 13 lines and helped to explain the current extent of the chalkbrood problem. I can see you do know what the problem with your post is, and you could have easily re-submitted it after reading the reasons why posts may be rejected. Personally, I think that your comments were worthwhile and am sorry you did not think it necessary to follow the guidelines. Maybe I shouldn't ask, but I wonder why you are taking the time to debate it here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping instead of fixing your error. It obviously takes much more time than it would have taken to re-write and re-submit, or enquire by writing to the list where the moderators could have confirmed your own diagnosis for you if necessary. What you quoted in its entirety was only a few days old, significantly larger than your own comments and, moreover, added nothing to your input. If you had had to type the quote in by hand would you have bothered? The assumption on BEE-L is that everyone reads all the posts, or, if not, could easily look up the previous discussion if it was really necessary for understanding the current post. The reason for rejecting unnecessary quotes and big sigs, and badly formatted posts, SPAM and tomfoolery is so that people *can* read everything, and will want to. Repetition and spurious material discourages readership by people whose time is worth something. > For those of us who might have difficulty understanding why my post might not have been acceptable, would you please enlighten us? We have explained it as clearly as we can at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ and in particular http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/lost.htm > And also could you please identify the faceless guardians of the BEE- L, so that we might appeal to them when we feel we have been unfairly rejected? When you send a post to BEE-L, it reaches all moderators. Several prefer to remain somewhat anonymous. Everyone knows that I am one, but I should not name others. They will step out if it suits them. Some people really like to fight more than to work on their writing and trying to meet the guidelines, and some moderators just don't need the aggravation of dealing with someone who will write 1000 words of argument and vituperation and pick on someone who is already very busy doing a public service, but not take 5 minutes to fix his own post. Frankly, *posting* to BEE-L is not for everyone. Reading it is another matter. Everyone who reads does not have to write, and many do not. Anyone who wants to post to BEE-L has to understand that there are rules and that they are there for a purpose. Anyone who posts to BEE-L must accept that moderation is in the interest of all, in spite of occasional errors or close calls. The moderators' decisions are intended to the benefit of the list, not the individual contributors. It is sad if a post does not make it because the writer will not make the effort to meet the guidelines or feels above them, but there are always many more posts coming along. Personally, I spend hours on writing and correcting many of my posts, and even then, not all are accepted by my fellow moderators. Anyone who posts to BEE-L takes a chance on rejection. Some people can't stand rejection and quit or cry 'foul' and carry on and on, others just pull up their socks and get with the program. It appears the program is working. BEE-L is again starting to get some contributions from heavy hitters, and the respect of the bee extension people, scientists, and editors. If it makes you feel any better, I think I personally have had more of my own posts rejected than anyone except deelusbybeekeeper@UP2ME.COM (who sends out huge posts that are not formatted well enough to be readable) and some poor dude who is trying to sell toner to everyone on the list. FWIW, the moderators are not all of the same mind. As I write this, I see some badly formatted, non-worthwhile junk has slipped through onto the list. It happens. Life just isn't fair, but we do what we can and it mostly works out. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nerves? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:26:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <85kirf$i8m$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22695 "Jenn C" wrote: >Hi >Is it just me or are beekeepers getting edgy this time of year? >:) dave It's a lack of bee venom. Mabe we can get shots? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <387CA55D.B8E6FA79@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Long Deep Hives? References: <857pgf$17eu$1@news.beeb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 75 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:03:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 947692576 24.92.236.148 (Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:56:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:56:16 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22696 Diane Waller wrote: > Has anyone have experience of long hives and if so, > could you let me know the advantages and disadvantages of such a hive and > whether it is possible for beginners to use one or if I should stick to the > usual National or Commercial hives? Hi Diane -- There are certain advantages to long, single-depth hives. They have probably been used more frequently there across the pond, but back around the turn of the century there was a FL commercial beekeeper named O. O. Poppleton who used them extensively, and he preferred them. He claimed muched reduced swarming with the "long-idea" hives (in fact, he claimed almost entire immunity from swarming ), and he emphasized the advantage of not needing to tier them up -- no supering was required, eliminating heavy lifting. In routine manipulations, there was nothing heavier to handle than a brood frame of honey. Following are some further details on the subject, if you're interested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some of the long hives' advantages deal with brood rearing. Old Mr. Poppleton argued that a laying queen would move between adjacent combs much more readily than she would to combs separated vertically in multiple chambers. In the long hive the brood nest was more continuous, and the queen was not restricted by breaks (cells of honey+ top-bar+bee-space+bottom-bar) between stories. Root did test out a number of these hives in comparisons with regular tiered hives. He noted, "There is no denying the fact that there is less swarming with the former than with the latter. This was shown strikingly in the case of our cell-builders at our queen-rearing yard." (ABC&XYZ..., A.I. & E. R. Root 1920.) In the usual case, the hive contained 30-35 standard brood frames, and the entrance was provided at one end, parallel to the frames. The bees would maintain the brood nest at the entrance end, and naturally store the surplus honey at the other end, away from the entrance. AFAIK Poppleton didn't use any sort of vertical queen excluder -- at least I've never seen it mentioned -- but a few combs of honey would likely deter the queen from laying further back, in the honey-storage portion of the hive. The long hives are (were) generally made with multiple crown-boards -- 3 or more. During manipulations, then, only a portion of the frame tops has to be exposed, preventing undue disturbance to the other parts of the hive. And since there is no breaking apart and removal of upper stories required, overall the colony is much less stressed and riled. So there are some advantages. Long hives can be very useful for those who can't or don't wish to handle heavy weights, or who desire an easier style hive to work. There is no carting back and forth of supers to the bee-yard. Combs of surplus honey are just removed and replaced with empties. The MAIN disadvantage is, of course, that long hives are not "standard." They are certainly very uncommon. This need not be a big concern, however, at least on a hobbiest scale, because the frames/combs ~are~ all standard-sized, and so readily transferrable to regular hive bodies later. Not sure what Robin Dartington's hive is like (? -- akin to a Glen hive?) but if you are starting out and considering just a few hives in the garden, or if you have neighbors very close by, the long hive might indeed be preferable. The bees would be less apt to become feisty during manipulations, chances of swarming would likely be reduced, and the long hive would have a lower profile. Will have to take a look at the Jan. 2000 American Bee Journal, mentioned by Jeff. Maybe the long hives will be coming back into vogue, to a small extent. Anyway, I hope some of this info might be useful to you. Have fun... Joel nr. Ithaca, NY USA Article 22697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: 13 Jan 2000 10:11:11 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <85kpuf$l3h$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22697 Allen's reply is reasonable. Although moderation doesn't necessairly jib with our ideals, sometimes it can be necessary. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: 11 Jan 2000 15:44:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <85fj5a$6vi$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: t80ad3466.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 947605482 7154 128.173.52.102 (11 Jan 2000 15:44:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2000 15:44:42 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22698 This was a very interesting post that somehow turned into a discussion of neglected hives. How did that happen? In article <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com>, hcampb6368@aol.com says... > > Recently pedroperez@airtel.net posted something on the Apither-L@sci.fi >list about bees placing a drop of venom in the honey cell to help preserve it. > > This was news to me and some others. Pedro then gave his source: >>>My source of information is the book in spanish "Cria Moderna de abejas" by >Melchor Biri and J.M. Alemany Albert - Edit. de Vecchi - Balmes,247 - >Barcelona (Spain) - 1.979 -page 87. << > > I haven't located the book yet, (and probably couldn't read it if I did). >Has anyone here heard of venom in honey, and is there a reference in English >about it? As much as honey has been analyzed we would expect some other >mention of it. > > Herb Article 22699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: marionhale@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another way with mites Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:24:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <85lc9h$glt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85il2h$g3a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.80.238.42 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 13 20:24:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 STUDENTS, 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.80.238.42 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmarionhale Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22699 In Message-ID: Author: STIG HANSSON wrote: >Hi everybody! >I live in Sweden where many beekepers use different sorts of acids to >control mite. I'd like to >know how beekepers around the world handle this problem. >Doris from Gotland I dont think any one has developed the Varroa-Scabies link. If there is such a thing, outlined at , it might help toward the development of new methods. Marion Hale Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:43:32 -0800 Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.4.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 947825168 6528 12.72.4.155 (14 Jan 2000 04:46:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2000 04:46:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22700 My bees tell me Allen Dick wrote: >Maybe I shouldn't ask, but I wonder why you are taking the time to >debate it here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping instead of fixing your >error. I shouldn't have to tell you, Allen, but BEE-L has become somewhat unreliable as a place to post since you decided that it needed to be moderated. It also has become pretty boring. The number of posts has decreased dramatically, as the traffic on sci.agriculture.beekeeping has increased and become more interesting. It is clear to me that you are aware of this and started this thread to try to drum up more of the old traffic on BEE-L. But it isn't going to happen unless you drastically curtail the excessive moderation of BEE-L. You chased Elroy away and I really liked his posts. I dare say that if Andy were here and tried to try to post to BEE- L today for the first time, he would be rejected. Why are we having this discussion on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? Because we could not have it on BEE-L. You and the other moderators have taken a lot of extra work on yourselves, and all it has accomplished is the diminishment of BEE-L. Why should I post to BEE-L? I come up with a great new way to attack chalkbrood and post to BEE-L only to be rejected because I quoted 13 lines of the original message. Moderation of the list has broken it. It is time to fix it. >It appears the program is working. BEE-L is again starting to get some >contributions from heavy hitters, and the respect of the bee extension >people, scientists, and editors. But it is not as interesting, and I'll bet the number of subscribers is down. Cheers -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net Article 22701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:03:46 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn04.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 947696180 1212 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22701 honeybs wrote: > sonny green wrote: > > >honeybs wrote: > > >> rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) wrote: > >> > >> >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is > >> >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected > >> >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell > >> >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? > >> > >> > Richard Flanagan > >> >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 > >> > >> It works good on treaheal mites. Any hives that I have seen > >> with the stuff on them looked like it worked pretty good on > >> the bees as well. > >> > >> Greg the beekeep > >> What are you saying Greg? That the Formic Acid Gel kills the varroa and the bees!! > > >L.E.G. > > Let me put it this way; I didn't see any cockroaches in the > hives! > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > Greg, You are still rather vague. Why don't you tell us straight up what thedeal is? From what I have read and seen on the news , is that the formic acid gel,( if handled properly) is non toxic to bees and is close to 100% effictive on varroa and trac. mites. How about sharing your complete info. L.E.G. Article 22702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!newssrv.ita.tip.net!nntp.infostrada.it!news.infostrada.it!not-for-mail From: "bissomoro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> Subject: R: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Lines: 82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:28:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.15.183.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@iol.it X-Trace: news.infostrada.it 947845717 151.15.183.146 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:28:37 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:28:37 MET Organization: [Infostrada] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22702 L.E.G. wrote in message 387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net... > > > honeybs wrote: > > > sonny green wrote: > > > > >honeybs wrote: > > > > >> rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) wrote: > > >> > > >> >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is > > >> >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected > > >> >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell > > >> >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? > > >> > > >> > Richard Flanagan > > >> >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 > > >> > > >> It works good on treaheal mites. Any hives that I have seen > > >> with the stuff on them looked like it worked pretty good on > > >> the bees as well. > > >> > > >> Greg the beekeep > > >> What are you saying Greg? That the Formic Acid Gel kills the varroa and the bees!! > > > > >L.E.G. > > > > Let me put it this way; I didn't see any cockroaches in the > > hives! > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > Greg, > > You are still rather vague. Why don't you tell us straight up what thedeal is? > From what I have read and seen on the news , is that the formic acid el,( if handled > properly) is non toxic to bees and is close to 100% effictive on varroa and trac. mites. > How about sharing your complete info. > L.E.G. > > Hi, I am Giorgio Perissinotto, a italian hobby bee-keeper from Venice, Italy, member of Bee-keepers Association of Treviso, Venice and Belluno. I have lurked your discussion about treating varroa mites using formic acid, and I want to show our experience (even if I know that european way is different from yours). From '80 varroa mite is a tragedy, so we have tried a lot of solutions, but now we use organic acids and biological treatments (drone larvae removal), because other pharmaceutic products are ineffectual owing to abuse. There are several trends: somebody use formic acid, others prefer lactic acid, others oxalic acid. In North of Italy (hot summer, cold winter) Beekeepers Association suggests fall treatments with: lactic acid: 3 treatments in 3 following days using 5 cc. 15% acid solution sprayed on each face of bees covered honeycomb oxalic acid: 1 (or more) treatment using 5 cc. 2% acid solution sprayed on each face of honeycomb (pay attention, oxalic acid is more toxic then lactic, use glasses and paper mask); now is suggested to drip 5 cc. of a solution of oxalic acid and sugar on the top of every honeycomb using a syringe without needle (100 grammes oxalic acid di-hydrate in 1 litre of distillate water + 1kilo of sugar). Formic acid is used in end summer treatments by commercial preparations, but much less because troubles bee population if temperature is >25 °C. I hope to send unknown and useful informations. Forgive my english! Be seeing you! Giorgio Perissinotto Fossalta di Piave Venezia Italy Article 22703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:53:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22703 sonny green wrote: >honeybs wrote: >> rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) wrote: >> >> >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It is >> >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected >> >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell >> >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? >> >> > Richard Flanagan >> >I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 >> >> It works good on treaheal mites. Any hives that I have seen >> with the stuff on them looked like it worked pretty good on >> the bees as well. >> >> Greg the beekeep >> What are you saying Greg? That the Formic Acid Gel kills the varroa and the bees!! >L.E.G. Let me put it this way; I didn't see any cockroaches in the hives! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: more on gen-mod pollen Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:32:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22704 check out recent research reports at: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/000104/3385145.html Article 22705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <387F589A.71F88F77@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C734197E21ED975FE77752F0" Lines: 95 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:58:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.208.55 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 947869109 161.184.208.55 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:58:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:58:29 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22705 --------------C734197E21ED975FE77752F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Green wrote: > From: dave davesNOdaSPAM@cadp.org.invalid > > >Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ? > > Yes. Absolutely. > > There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted surfaces therefore > hives should not be painted on the inside. > > This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted the insides can > tell you. The bees may or may not add their own varnish, according to their > preference. > > But painting hives on both sides equalizes the transfer of water vapor, and > prevents much of the warping that occurs with woodneware. Paint does not stop > water movement, and will NOT prevent rot any more than unpainted wood. But I > have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've seen warps so bad that > it pulled nails on woodenware only painted on one side. > > To prevent rot, make sure that there is no longstanding moisture on the > wood, whether painted or not. > > I have to say that I don't agree with you. We run 2000 hives in Alberta and we have put in around 7000 new supers in the last 7 years. Why would you want to paint the inside of the super, when over time the paint will peel and chip off, and who wants that inside of their hives. Instead of using paint, try using a weatherproofing product such as Olympic water guard on the inside and the outside. We have been doing it for 7 years now and the supers are holding up great and it is a hell of a lot nicer than paint as it does not chip or peel off over time. That's just my opinion, everyone has there preference though, neither one is wrong, but I do feel that dipping the supers in a water guard is better than paint. Lee Townsend --------------C734197E21ED975FE77752F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Dave Green wrote:

From: dave davesNOdaSPAM@cadp.org.invalid

>Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ?

  Yes. Absolutely.

   There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted surfaces therefore
hives should not be painted on the inside.

   This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted the insides can
tell you.  The bees may or may not add their own varnish, according to their
preference.

   But painting hives on both sides equalizes the transfer of water vapor, and
prevents much of the warping that occurs with woodneware.  Paint does not stop
water movement, and will NOT prevent rot any more than unpainted wood. But I
have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've seen warps so bad that
it pulled nails on woodenware only painted on one side.

   To prevent rot, make sure that there is no longstanding moisture on the
wood, whether painted or not.
 
 

I have to say that I don't agree with you.  We run 2000 hives in Alberta and we have put in around 7000 new supers in the last 7 years.  Why would you want to paint the inside of the super, when over time the paint will peel and chip off, and who wants that inside of their hives.  Instead of using paint, try using a weatherproofing product such as Olympic water guard on the inside and the outside.  We have been doing it for  7 years now and the supers are holding up great and it is a hell of a lot nicer than paint as it does not chip or peel off over time.  That's just my opinion, everyone has there preference though, neither one is wrong, but I do feel that dipping the supers in a water guard is better than paint.

Lee Townsend
  --------------C734197E21ED975FE77752F0-- Article 22706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JoJo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Search Engine for Beekeepers, small farmers and gardeners! Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947886744 209.179.121.152 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:52:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:52:24 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Fri Jan 14 13:52:24 2000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:52:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22706 Hello All, I just wanted to let you know about the new search engine I have designed. It is for Small Farmers and Gardeners. It also includess links to beekeeping sites! Right now there are very few sites, so if you have a site related to farming or gardening please feel free to add it. http://growsearch.hypermart.net This site is still under development but is completely functional. Thanks, Kellen Weissenbach Article 22707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BVT & Lupus Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.31.55.99 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947894425 63.31.55.99 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:00:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:00:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Fri Jan 14 16:00:25 2000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:00:25 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22707 Does anyone have any information about the treatment of Lupus with BVT Thanks Ed Article 22708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: paint the inside ??? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:04:50 -0600 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <387FB9A2.41B28680@netnitco.net> References: <09920fb9.af1f01d8@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> <20000101193355.13896.00000404@ng-co1.aol.com> <387F589A.71F88F77@telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-1-31.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 947895268 8095 216.176.149.31 (15 Jan 2000 00:14:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2000 00:14:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22708 Lee, Tell me about the Olympic product you use. It gets tiresome having to prime and then paint all those hive bodies. Your way seems to be a short cut well worth looking at. Chad Tim Townsend wrote: > > > Dave Green wrote: > >> From: dave davesNOdaSPAM@cadp.org.invalid >> >> >Should you paint the inside of hives or supers ? >> >> Yes. Absolutely. >> >> There is an old wive's tale that bees do not like painted >> surfaces therefore >> hives should not be painted on the inside. >> >> This is nonsense, as any longtime beekeeper who has painted the >> insides can >> tell you. The bees may or may not add their own varnish, according >> to their >> preference. >> >> But painting hives on both sides equalizes the transfer of water >> vapor, and >> prevents much of the warping that occurs with woodneware. Paint >> does not stop >> water movement, and will NOT prevent rot any more than unpainted >> wood. But I >> have never seen any warping with dipped supers, and I've seen warps >> so bad that >> it pulled nails on woodenware only painted on one side. >> >> To prevent rot, make sure that there is no longstanding moisture >> on the >> wood, whether painted or not. >> >> > > I have to say that I don't agree with you. We run 2000 hives in > Alberta and we have put in around 7000 new supers in the last 7 > years. Why would you want to paint the inside of the super, when over > time the paint will peel and chip off, and who wants that inside of > their hives. Instead of using paint, try using a weatherproofing > product such as Olympic water guard on the inside and the outside. We > have been doing it for 7 years now and the supers are holding up > great and it is a hell of a lot nicer than paint as it does not chip > or peel off over time. That's just my opinion, everyone has there > preference though, neither one is wrong, but I do feel that dipping > the supers in a water guard is better than paint. > > Lee Townsend > Article 22709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:50:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <85o97h$kpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.178 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 14 22:50:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.178 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22709 > It is clear to me that you are aware of this and started this > thread to try to drum up more of the old traffic on BEE-L. Not at all. I, for one don't want more traffic; the current posting levels are about optimal and in line with historical norms. Traffic does not equal quality. Quality is the goal, and, current BEE-L readership is at an all-time high. As for why I post pointers to BEE-L here from time to time, I simply think that since there are always new people coming along on the net that I should point the way to BEE-L for those who might like to find it and read it. I do the same to sci.agriculture.beekeeping on BEE-L from time to time. I remember when I first got on the net it took me over six months to finally find and get onto BEE-L, because the 'l' in BEE-L often looked like a '1'. :( > if Andy were here and tried to try to post to BEE-L today for > the first time, he would be rejected. Hehehe. Andy got rejected a time or two (at least) and took it in stride, as do I when the moderators clip my wings a bit. He came back with better posts and adapted just fine. Sure do miss that guy. > Why are we having this discussion on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? > Because we could not have it on BEE-L. You are right about that, and we likely should not be having it here. BEE-L is for talking bees and science, not for bickering about moderation, personality and procedures. For that matter the same is true for this newsgroup, and I apologise for extending this thread. I’ll just say this once as clearly as I can, and be done. As I see it, we're having this discussion here because you came here to whine and attempt to defame BEE-L in public instead of taking responsibility for your mistake, fixing it, and re-submitting your post to BEE-L. You obviously read BEE-L and and find it useful or you wouldn't be trying to post there, would you? I thought, to balance the scales, that I should take the time to explain (again) -- for the sake of newcomers who might be taken in by your disingenuous commentary -- that BEE-L is not just a list for casual banter and careless writing, but a serious list encourages any thoughtful, well-written input that falls within the guidelines, and a list which anyone is welcome to read. See http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ for details. I thank Adam and Murray for their comments and support, but I have to thank you too, simply because you have demonstrated much more clearly than they -- or I – ever could, one of the important reasons why we moderate BEE-L and why many people like it that way. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maximum Brood Area Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:08 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 102 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BEE-L" Cc: "sci.ag.bee" , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _S7vnF8xsBK7MeCttAVLcaA= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22710 While in San Diego, I bought Bee Culture's pollination video "The Honey Bee -- A growers Guide". It's a great video, but one thing bothered me: the part about brood area. Frankly, I'd be afraid to show it to a grower -- and that was my intent in buying it. I was very pleased to see that they recommended actually measuring brood area by holding a grid over the comb surface and estimating an area on each side in 1/4ths or 1/10ths of a frame of brood. They did not specify what to conclude if one side was 80% brood and the back side was all honey. Is that an 80% frame or a 40% frame. I assumed that would bee 40% of a frame of brood. FWIW, I was interested to note that my estimate in each case -- made subjectively by looking at each example and playing along before they announced their measurement -- was always more generous than their result. They also showed how to estimate the number of bees in terms of frames of bees. I found that pretty subjective. What puzzles me is that they stated -- after carefully explaining the measurement method -- was that a hive could and should be expected to have from 6 to 12 (Yup, TWELVE) full frames of brood when going to pollination. In my personal real-life experience, going through thousand of my hives frame by frame in spring and summer, and thousands of other peoples' hives in spring as a bee inspector, I can only recall seeing, *at most*, 10 to 16 frames WITH brood on both sides -- not twelve frames OF solid brood (both sides) -- in *any* normal single queen hive. The hives that had the twelve frames *with* brood actually would have areas of more like 8 or 9 frames of solid brood (each with two sides) when measured, and allowance made for the empty cells or cells of honey and pollen. As I have stated here before, when breaking good doubles down to singles for Ross Rounds (tm) production -- and we did this a lot (thousands of times) -- we would remove all the brood from the two boxes and put it, and the bees, into singles, then take the honey frames away. When doing so in a yard of 30 hives, we usually got a few extra boxes of brood that we used for increase. Such splits consisted of odd frames with patches of brood from the sides of the original brood nests and we almost always found a few queen cells that could be used to make sure they had a queen, so by summer's end, they became strong spits. The point here, though is that out of 30 hives, we always got a TOTAL of about 35 singles. Some were 9 frame and some were 10 frame, so taking a simple average, we got 9.5 x 35 = 332.5 frames WITH brood. Most were pretty solid brood, but using the estimation method in the video, I would think that an observer should rate them about 80%. That gives us 80% x 332.5 = 226 full frames of brood total or 8.87 frames per hive. And -- these were REALLY GOOD hives. The conclusion I reach here is what I have always said: in our country the maximum brood area is eight to nine 100% FULL frames (2 sides@ 100% = one frame) of brood in good single hives at the peak of the season. I don't see how people get the 12 frames of brood mentioned in pollinating hives, unless they are counting *each* side of the frame as a frame of brood. The 6 frame number seems to me very reasonable for a pollinating hive, using my ways of counting, but I cannot see how hives could average 12 frames of brood. Especially when they are not yet at full strength and are being carried around in doubles as shown in the film. I am assuming that a frame of brood must cover BOTH sides 100% to be one frame of brood. Maybe I am not using the same standards as others? Maybe EACH side is counted as a frame of brood, so that a single frame with two sides solid with brood would actually be 2 frames of brood? I have kept bees for over 25 years, pollinate crops for a living, have been told that my hives were way stronger than anyone else's in the 1998 season, and yet I cannot understand this. Anyhow, let's assume I missed something out there in the hot sun year after year. Maybe I can't count or Old Timers is setting in. Let's do some simple math: The best queens I have heard of can lay 3000 eggs per day. That's what all the books say. In my experience, it is abnormal for them to do this continuously. They tend to shut down from time to time or cut back due to the environmental conditions, but let's go with the biggest number. Okay! 3000 eggs laid each day for 21 days (after that they hatch) is 63,000 eggs. There are about 3200 cells per side of a comb (I counted), i.e.. 6400 cells per comb. Now, 63,000/6400 is 9.8 FULL combs -- both sides, every cell -- I mean FULL combs. Maybe Dee gets a few more cells per comb and thus fewer combs, but I'm dealing with *my* bees here. How do we get twelve? I can only conclude that I must be counting assuming that one frame requires both sides to be 100% full of brood, and everyone else is counting each side as a frame of brood. This is the weakness in such a measurement. I know the scientists use square inches or a metric equivalent, rather than 'frames' of brood. This is much clearer and less subject to misunderstanding. What say ye all? allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: warm january = sugar candy? Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:27:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38794383.EB19AAB1@usol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22711 i havent check my hive, but its been warm since jan 1. they must be eating a lot of honey, i will check it tomarrow. its 45 degree weather here in detroit mich. should i give them 1 to 1 sugar syrup or sugar candy. anybody have a recipie for sugar candy? it was told to me, but i forgot that quick. svcorbin@usol.com many thanks. Article 22712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Source for determining regulations on U.S.A. intra-state insect transportation via commercial aircraft Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 12:43:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <854m2a$grt$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <852eab$g2q$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8538oa$a2i$1@news1.Radix.Net> <854k2r$k3q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22712 sci.bio.entomology.misc:10397 "busybee" wrote: >Putting them in your suitcase will suffocate them...you need to have air and >water for them. That's why I said put them in a box. Bees however will not suffocate from short term lack of O2. They are put to sleep in pure CO2 for II. Queens are put back to sleep the next day after II to help them lay sooner also. They wake up just fine. In the middle of the suitcase will insulate them from the cold of the cargo area of the plane. Years ago I ran a test since I ship bees throught thh postal system. I put one of my boxes of bees (60 bees in 4"x2"x1") inside a cardboard box (4"x3"x2") and wraped it with celophane to see if the post office could suffocate them. When I opened them up a week later they were still alive. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PBS - NOVA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:39:39 GMT References: <3873DDB3.1F11673F@netnitco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000107083939.21406.00000357@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22713 >I too found it interesting on the bee chain >measuring that they do. They are so efficient. The bee chain was especially fascinating to me since I are an engineer. In May 1998 a swarm moved into our concrete block wall behind the electric meter. In getting them out I made a hive box with one glass wall so we could watch them through the house window. We saw that chain and assumed they were just trying to cover the glass for a little privacy. When the light was on in our house they would completely cover their glass wall in a few minutes. But now we know there was another purpose for the chain. Excellent documentary. However, we chuckled at the "professional" beekeepers who shook bees from the tram wire into a box, but then left it open to watch the queen fly away! Not too professional. But it made a nice leadin to the next part of the story. The program will be shown again at 6 PM on Jan 8 by WSRE TV in Pensacola, Florida, USA. Herb Article 22714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area Message-ID: References: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 947910313 216.100.16.37 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:25:13 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:25:13 MST Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:25:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22714 On a related note, Allend@internode.net, I was wondering what the effect is when frames with significant amounts of brood are put into a centrifugal extractor. Do the little brood larvae (or even the big, fat larvae I have seen down in the cell just before their cell is capped)go flying out onto the sides of the extractor, just like the honey does? If so, then what happens to the larvae after that? Do their bodies or guts become incorporated into the final product? Thanks for the very interesting description of your beekeeping activity. In article , allend@internode.net says... > What say ye all? > > Article 22715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:56:21 -0800 Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9vuv7so5u11muaug39kgv2ro6ql184jd54@4ax.com> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85o97h$kpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.136 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 947912337 13687 12.72.192.136 (15 Jan 2000 04:58:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2000 04:58:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22715 My bees tell me Allen Dick wrote: >As I see it, we're having this discussion here because you came here to >whine and attempt to defame BEE-L in public instead of taking >responsibility for your mistake, fixing it, and re-submitting your post >to BEE-L. I apologize for offending anyone with my expression of disappointment with the current state of BEE-L. I still do not feel that there was anything wrong with my post. I am very religious with my limiting of quoted material in my posts and included the 13 lines because I felt it was germane to the understanding of my chalkbrood discovery. I do hope that I am not blacklisted from the BEE-L and shall attempt to post again when the occasion arises. Peace Article 22716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: eanglin@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Awesome Beekeeping Comic Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 05:48:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <85p1nv$5m4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.90.236.123 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 15 05:48:51 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.90.236.123 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDeanglin Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22716 http://www.jayhosler.com/clanapis.html You have to check 0ut this awesome website- this fellow has written an awesome comic book all about bees- and he has got it right! Check out the sample pages on the website- His drawings are accurate, beautifull, and he had managed to make the bees appealing too! His section of "Science comics" is amusing too- I particularly recommend "Should I stay or should I go". On the recent thread of allergy to bee stings- read his section on "Killer Bees"- It has nothing to do with AHB! Ellen Anglin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!iol.ie!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:35:15 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 10 Message-ID: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p220.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 947921988 1043 159.134.232.220 (15 Jan 2000 07:39:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2000 07:39:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22718 Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have granulated? If so what timings and what settings should one use? What are the disadvantages of this? Ruary Rudd Article 22719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.11.32.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947945714 63.11.32.114 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 06:15:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 06:15:14 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Sat Jan 15 06:15:15 2000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:15:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22719 I've done it in small quantities like one lb jars. 1 min at a time on high and then mix it. Be careful the honey at the top will get extremely hot and could be damaged if you don't mix it. Doing it in a hot water bath is much safer Ed apism@earthlink.net Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie>... >Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have >granulated? > >If so what timings and what settings should one use? > >What are the disadvantages of this? > >Ruary Rudd > > > Article 22720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My Beekeeping site for Beginners Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jan 2000 14:36:45 GMT References: <85ftnp$fkk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000115093645.02808.00000555@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22720 >> > Please stop by my massive website at http://www.beemaster.com >which >> > has over 120 pages, 550 photos and 35 educational topics. Over 30 >pages >> > dedicated to beekeeping with hundreds of close-up photography >> > http://www.beemaster.com/honeybee/beehome.htm >> > >> > I hope you find my site helpful. If so feel free to write me at: >> > mailto:honeybee@beemaster.com That's truly an awesome site!!! I'm still digging through all the wonderful information. Lots of answered questions there for us beginners. Herb Article 22721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Suit wanted Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jan 2000 19:52:41 GMT References: <85pvgt$h6q$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000115145241.07904.00000039@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22721 I just ordered my bee suit without the veil from Dadant They had them for 35.00 dollars and it is a great quality suit with 6 large pockets and a reinforced seams in the stiching. Dadant has numerous 800 lines and catalogs to choose from. Richard Flanagan I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 22722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:40:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 52 Message-ID: <387E625D.5F5CE8F8@fuse.net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <20000112001350.01817.00000040@ng-bg1.aol.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22722 We, also, have decided to try the Formic. I called to order the gel packs. Here's the scoop I got from the number on the Apicure ad in ABJ: The gel pack will be hung in a hive similar to apistan. However, you use one gel pack per two hive-body hive. (Apistan is one strip per 5 frames). The response I got concerning when it is available. They are just coming off the production line. Not all states have approved the gel packs for shipping. We live in Kentucky and Kentucky has approved. Shipping should be in about 2 weeks. Cost per each, purchased individually, is gonna be about $2.50. Case of 24 comes to about $1.79 each. Not including shipping or tax. Judy in Kentucky Dave Green wrote: > From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) > > >I recently heard of the new treatment being considered for varroa mites . It > >is > >using formic acid in a gel form to help stem the decline of varroa infected > >bees. Is this a new magic bullet to help cure or another attempt to sell > >beekeepers a medicine that may or maynot work??? > > Until we can get resistant bees, we are stuck with treating them. To avoid > build up of resistance, a preferred technique is to alternate treatments with > two different materials, with different mechanisms. Until now, we've had only > Apistan in the US. More and more reports come, of mites that are resistant to > Apistan. > > I'm going to try alternating, with formic gel for one season, and back to > Apistan the next. So far, Apistan has given adequate control for me, and I > don't want that to change. The new coumaphos strips are another option, but > they only have emergency registration, and we don't know how long it will be > available. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:07:12 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <85lstj$23j$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <20000112001350.01817.00000040@ng-bg1.aol.com> <387E625D.5F5CE8F8@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.181.147 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 947812083 2163 12.79.181.147 (14 Jan 2000 01:08:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2000 01:08:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22723 It's my understanding that the gel pack will be placed on the TOP BARS and not hung down between the frames. I refer to Bee Culture Magazine, January 2000 page 49. This misinformation on how to use a particular product is what got us into this mess to begin with! Dave V Fremont NH > The gel pack will be hung in a hive similar to apistan. However, you use one gel > pack per two hive-body hive. (Apistan is one strip per 5 frames). > Article 22724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:41:36 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947839413 nnrp-10:2031 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 97 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22724 >I shouldn't have to tell you, Allen, but BEE-L has become somewhat unreliable as >a place >to post since you decided that it needed to be moderated. I didn't want to come in on this one but this post has finally provoked a response. I think this point of view is complete and utter rubbish. I cannot see anything about Bee-L that could be deemed 'unreliable'. You might want all the rubbish that comes over some of the other groups I subscribe to, but personally I am fed up of having to kill SEXY PICS ads and the likes. I too have fallen foul of the moderators on occasion, generally due to my own negligence in composition of the post. You are told why, or at least referred to the guidelines and invited to resubmit. If you find that offensive I am surprised. I am not aware of anyone claiming to have had posts rejected because of the content of what they had to say, so long as it is bee related. > The number of posts has decreased dramatically, as the traffic on >sci.agriculture.beekeeping has increased and become more interesting. Both go up and down. I subscribe to both but more regularly contribue to Bee-L. Nothing is apparently unusual about the current cyclical pattern. >You chased Elroy away and I really liked his >posts. This is the bit I really take issue with. Elroy had some rather contentious opinions about varroa treatment in particular and was trying to gain adherants to his point of view. Nothing fundamentally wrong with that. However his problem came when anyone asked any questions about how he had arrived at his conclusions. I fell foul of Elroy when I queried what I saw as a flaw in his assertion that mineral oil cured his hives rather than the Apistan he had withdrawn only a week or two before his hives really began to prosper. Elroy hated being questioned about anything like that, and only wanted to hear concurring opinion. But the group is about INFORMED DISCUSSION, not unsubstantiated claims going unquestioned. He took being asked, even in a non hostile manner, about the grounds for his claims, as sharp criticism and an attempt to silence him. It was not, but he took it as such. Experienced contributors, and Allen Dick is one among several, see all sorts of wild opinion surfacing in the list. If they see it as wrong, or dangerously misleading, particularly to the inexperienced, then it is incumbent upon them to at least query it. Not I stress as moderators (which I am not) but as mainstream list contributors. The experienced, including the late Andy who you mention next, can spot a 'lemon' relatively easily, and are just as free as the person making the assertion to give their opinion on it. It is after all a discussion forum, not a bulletin board. >I dare >say that if Andy were here and tried to try to post to BEE- L today for the >first time, he >would be rejected. Andy had some contentious opinions and views, and some thought he was wonderful and others didn't. However you could certainly never have called him uninformed or ignorant, so I cannot see how he would have fallen foul of the moderators, other than in the same minor way I, and you, have. He enjoyed robust discussion, and would actively defend his corner when challenged. No-one is suppressing your view, just the full quote you included, when the string is still live and the original posting readily accessible. No-one was suppressing Elroy except Elroy himself with his hypersensitivity about being questioned. >Why are we having this discussion on >sci.agriculture.beekeeping? >Because we could not have it on BEE-L. Not so. It is because YOU brought it here. You could just as easily of had it on Bee-L if you met the quotes criteria. The moderation is not about opinions. >I come up with a great new way to attack chalkbrood and >post to >BEE-L only to be rejected because I quoted 13 lines of the original message. Your experience on this closely matches that of many Europeans who use open screened floors instead of solid wood. They keep the dampness down especially in early spring when respiration rates increase and condensation can give rise to some of the ideal conditions for onset of the chalkbrood fungus. Thus it is not new in that context but is certainly worth repeating. >But it is not as interesting, and I'll bet the number of subscribers is down. On the contrary, I believe the last time I was given a number it was the highest it had ever been. In the unmoderated days it hovered around 600, but recently I believe it is over 1000. You should go back to Bee-L and resubmit your post as requested. You will not be censored if your post is correctly composed and bee relevant. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:35:56 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 26 Message-ID: <85qtcd$4t9$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.198 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 947976397 5033 12.72.205.198 (15 Jan 2000 22:46:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2000 22:46:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22725 We have a circa 1940's stove with a pilot light. Leaving unopened jars in overnight with just the pilot burning does a fine job. Another good way is a 1500 watt heater in a shower stall overnight. Works great on the 60# pails. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> wrote in message news:85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie... > Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have > granulated? > > If so what timings and what settings should one use? > > What are the disadvantages of this? > > Ruary Rudd > > Article 22726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BVT & Lupus Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jan 2000 21:30:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000115163005.27550.00000090@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22726 What is BVT? I too would be very interested in any info anyone has on treatement options for Lupus... Kelly Article 22727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:03:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85o97h$kpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947974568 nnrp-03:760 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22727 In article <85o97h$kpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Allen Dick writes >As for why I post pointers to BEE-L here from time to time, I simply >think that since there are always new people coming along on the net >that I should point the way to BEE-L for those who might like to find >it and read it. Most helpful to me as a newcomer. Thank you. -- James Kilty Article 22728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:53:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <947926041.298919@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22728 Is'nt that why we use a queen excluder? To keep the Queen and thus all eggs/brood below the honey supers??? Are you being humorous or what? Barry Metz wrote in message <947926041.298919@wheat.wag.interact.net.au>... >I think you're right the grubs get mashed and become part of the honey and I >strongly suspect that it is this practice that has resulted in reports of >infant botulism in England and Australia. Depending on the time of year it >is a much better idea to put the brood in a nucleus hive and let it hatch. > >-- >Barry Metz >Allen Dick wrote in message >news:85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> >> > I was wondering what the >> > effect is when frames with significant amounts of brood are put >> > into a centrifugal extractor. Do the little brood larvae (or even >> > the big, fat larvae I have seen down in the cell just before >> > their cell is capped) go flying out onto the sides of the >> > extractor, just like the honey does? If so, then what happens to >> > the larvae after that? Do their bodies or guts become >> > incorporated into the final product? >> >> In a radial one does not see entire larvae thrown out, but I think some >> do come out in a tangental type. >> >> In the case where brood is uncapped by the operator, some of the juice >> comes out and mixes with the honey. Although the idea does not appeal >> to most western tastes, it is harmless, and likely nutritious. >> Nonetheless, most scrupulous beekeepers doe not extract brood. >> >> If brood combs *must* be extracted, then the operator scratches the >> honey cappings around the brood area and leaves the brood capped. >> >> Can the larvae stand the 10 Gs or more and emerge later? Dunno. >> >> allen >> ----- >> See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions >> BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > Article 22729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38813BCA.9998E3AC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area References: <85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <947926041.298919@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:32:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 947993222 24.92.236.148 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:27:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:27:02 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22729 It is not too uncommon during the harvest to bring some brood home in the full supers, "by accident." Either a queen will have squeezed through an excluder during the season, or else a virgin was reared and flew out, returning to a crack somewhere above the excluder. Or, sometimes, a few laying workers may have start producing drones in combs above the excluder (even though there was a queen below!). There are these odd cases. Anyway, every once in a while one encounters some cells or even patches of brood while preparing the combs for extracting, even when an excluder was used. What I do is to take a piece of aluminum foil, torn roughly to a shape that will cover the patch of cells containing brood, and press it over it, pushing in the edges a bit so it sticks into the surface of the comb. Then, when the comb is run through the extractor, the brood is not thrown out with the honey. It only takes a few seconds. Many people don't care either way, but I don't particularly like seeing squirmy larvae floating in the stream of honey from the extractor . J. ----------------------------------------------- //// Jenn C wrote: > Is'nt that why we use a queen excluder? > To keep the Queen and thus all eggs/brood below the honey supers??? > Are you being humorous or what? Article 22730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BVT & Lupus Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:25:45 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <85sdb9$253u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <20000115163005.27550.00000090@ng-cj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-56.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 948025513 70782 209.130.165.56 (16 Jan 2000 12:25:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2000 12:25:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22730 Bee Venom Therapy...I have an article on the subject and I will try to get you more information when I find it. --Busybee Orangerose wrote in message <20000115163005.27550.00000090@ng-cj1.aol.com>... >What is BVT? >I too would be very interested in any info anyone has on treatement options for >Lupus... > > >Kelly > > Article 22731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning bee suits Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jan 2000 16:05:55 GMT References: <38800DAF.A4DE092F@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000116110555.18537.00000602@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22731 I use a couple tablespoons of red devil lye and fill the washing machine with warm water enough to cover the suit. Works to get paint build up off of painters white overalls and grease out of mechanics coveralls. Removes enough propolis so that none is left to melt in your clothes dryer. Dissolve the lye in the water add the suit. Don't leave any on your skin and don't get any in your eyes. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TBH Excluders Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:31:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <85sva2$na3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000115163005.27550.00000090@ng-cj1.aol.com> <85sdb9$253u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.159.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 16 17:31:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.159.46 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDnemaha Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22732 I recently finished constructing my first two top bar hives based loosely on construction diagrams suggested in previous posts to this forum. (They are "sloped" sided hives 18 inches wide at the top, 7 inches wide at the bottom, 10 inches deep, and 36 inches long, each holding 25 top bars. These dimensions allowed cutting two complete hives out of one 4x8 sheet of plywood.) While some web sites suggest there is no need for queen excluders in TBHs, I've been wondering if a simple queen barrier would help concentrate brood rearing toward the front entrance of the hive? I've read somewhere that before wire excluders became commonly used with Langstroth hives, some beekeepers accomplished the same result by centering a rectangular sheet of thin wood on top of the brood frames, leaving an inch or so of space around the outside edges. Could the same principle be used in a TBH -- vertically, of course, instead of horizontally -- such as nailing a piece of masonite to hang from a top bar, with gaps for the workers to move around it along the bottom and/or sides? I realize I could simply cut a perfectly good wire exluder to fit, but I'm looking for an easier (and cheaper) way to accomplish the same thing. Any thoughts? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE-L is Dead Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:57:48 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _QP/eju3LKsI8xv6++C7Jwg= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22733 I recently referred everyone to BEE-L, then, suddenly this weekend, when many may be trying BEE-L functions, without warning the ALBANY.EDU domain is dead -- from here anyhow. It has been dead for about 24 hours as I write. (This is Sunday noon MST). Maybe the site is down for maintenance, but I wonder because they have warned us in advance when that has happened in the past. Since BEE-L originates at the University of Albany, we are not getting anything to the moderators or to the list members, and searches are not available. At any rate, I assume that the site will be running by Monday. In the meantime BEE-L appears to be dead -- and so are all the various web searches, etc. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38823B20.EF04D9AB@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: TBH Excluders References: <20000115163005.27550.00000090@ng-cj1.aol.com> <85sdb9$253u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <85sva2$na3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:42:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 948058581 24.92.236.148 (Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:36:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:36:21 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22734 In Lang. hives I have used the equivalent of the rectangular sheet you mention, with very good results, but instead of wood, just used a rectangle of plastic sheeting ("drop-cloth" or weather-proofing plastic sheet). It is thick enough so the bees don't chew it, and propolis does not stick to it very much. A really "cheap" excluder. In a TBH I would not expect the same concept to work. The reason it works in a multistory hive is, the gap for passage of the bees into the supers is around the perimeter of the top of the brood box, or at the sides only (depending on the dimensions of the sheet). The perimeter of the brood nest usually contains honey/pollen stores, so the queen pretty much stays away from its edges, and so stays more toward the center. She therefore doesn't venture up, around the edge of the sheet, to the super above. This sort of barrier set in vertically in a TBH might not work the same way (but you should give it a try and see -- you never know). Seems to me that since the queen would lay right to the edges of the brood combs, at least some of the time, she might just crawl over onto the wood, and right past the barrier. If you try it, though, let the rest of us know how it works out! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- flanders@probe.net wrote: > I recently finished constructing my first two top bar hives based > loosely on construction diagrams suggested in previous posts to this > forum. (They are "sloped" sided hives 18 inches wide at the top, 7 > inches wide at the bottom, 10 inches deep, and 36 inches long, each > holding 25 top bars. These dimensions allowed cutting two complete > hives out of one 4x8 sheet of plywood.) While some web sites suggest > there is no need for queen excluders in TBHs, I've been wondering if a > simple queen barrier would help concentrate brood rearing toward the > front entrance of the hive? I've read somewhere that before wire > excluders became commonly used with Langstroth hives, some beekeepers > accomplished the same result by centering a rectangular sheet of thin > wood on top of the brood frames, leaving an inch or so of space around > the outside edges. Could the same principle be used in a TBH -- > vertically, of course, instead of horizontally -- such as nailing a > piece of masonite to hang from a top bar, with gaps for the workers to > move around it along the bottom and/or sides? I realize I could simply > cut a perfectly good wire exluder to fit, but I'm looking for an easier > (and cheaper) way to accomplish the same thing. Any thoughts? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 22735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!news3.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3882590D.F4FF7CDF@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2nd year questions about supers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:49:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.20 X-Trace: news3.mco 948066591 209.214.198.20 (Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:49:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:49:51 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22735 I have a couple of questions as I get ready to purchase supers for my 2nd year hives. Are Pierco plastic frames OK to uncap with an electric hot knife? Are plastic substrate foundations like Plasticell or Rite-Cell held in wedge frames with just support pins on the sides? Will it be OK to extract these in a tangential extractor with wedge frames and support pins? Thanks, Bill Daniels SW Tennessee, USA Article 22736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning bee suits Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38800DAF.A4DE092F@gte.net> <20000116110555.18537.00000602@ng-fb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948069843 nnrp-11:4233 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22736 In article <20000116110555.18537.00000602@ng-fb1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >I use a couple tablespoons of red devil lye What is red devil lye? The only lye I know is used in soap making - caustic soda (NaOH). If so, please say the concentration. Thanks. -- James Kilty Article 22737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:03:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948069845 nnrp-11:4233 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22737 In article <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net>, Thom Bradley writes > The best way I have found is to place the jars or bucket in a large >cooler. Place a small lamp with a 40W bulb in and turn on overnight. This works fine. You can improvise with honey supers stacked up - the bulb in the bottom one. I use a wire queen excluder to form a support for the jars, one per super, which also disperses heat. With space you can increase the wattage to 60 but be careful, the lowest level can get too hot. Some of my friends use an old fridge as it is a good insulator. I have used a small electric oven set at 45 degrees C as near as I can for a few hours. I have used a microwave to melt old granulated comb in lumps in a bowl. Messy but it worked - not for sale of course. I was worried about the wire metal content. Metal lids would have to be removed from jars. Plastic lids would be fine. Do a test run on a low setting and increase the time. If all is well, use the medium setting. Other friends use warm cupboards - we call them airing cupboards over here - if you have a hot water storage tank, the space above it is ideal for leaving honey jars overnight. -- James Kilty Article 22738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Downsizing Our Apiary Message-ID: References: <387F7115.CD09A51F@bms.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 947888698 216.100.16.37 (Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:24:58 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:24:58 MST Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:24:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22738 If you still want to keep bees, and to have fine honey and comb, dude; goto top bar hives. http://www.gsu.edu/%7Ebiojdsx/main.htm In article <387F7115.CD09A51F@bms.com>, beverly.stanley@bms.com says... > I > started working full-time, so we need to slow down a bit. Any > ideas? > Article 22739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:20:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 15 07:20:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22739 > I was wondering what the > effect is when frames with significant amounts of brood are put > into a centrifugal extractor. Do the little brood larvae (or even > the big, fat larvae I have seen down in the cell just before > their cell is capped) go flying out onto the sides of the > extractor, just like the honey does? If so, then what happens to > the larvae after that? Do their bodies or guts become > incorporated into the final product? In a radial one does not see entire larvae thrown out, but I think some do come out in a tangental type. In the case where brood is uncapped by the operator, some of the juice comes out and mixes with the honey. Although the idea does not appeal to most western tastes, it is harmless, and likely nutritious. Nonetheless, most scrupulous beekeepers doe not extract brood. If brood combs *must* be extracted, then the operator scratches the honey cappings around the brood area and leaves the brood capped. Can the larvae stand the 10 Gs or more and emerge later? Dunno. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Beverly E Stanley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Downsizing Our Apiary Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:55:17 -0500 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 26 Message-ID: <387F7115.CD09A51F@bms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@prihpwckh6n509.hpw.pri.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22740 We are reducing out number of hives. They are nice healthy hives, and that is why we need a break. They reproduce like mad. My son, husband and I care for the bees, but it's a lot for us to manage with full-time jobs and school. We will likely have about 20 nucs available in the spring. We live in NJ. Is there a buyer out there? We have some friends who will likely buy or trade for them. Others have traded equipment for bees. We would be willing to also trade honey (in 60 lb. buckets) for bees. Their gene pool is a mixture of Buckfast from Texas, Carnolians from California(spelling?) (before the African bees quarantined them) and local NJ strains. I ordered them from various sites so as to mix up the gene pool, looking for cleanliness, honey production and temperament. They have been good producers even through the drought last summer, and are very even tempered. Two summers ago, before the drought hit, two hives produced about 375 lbs.of honey. Last summer, because the drought was so severe, we took off as little honey as possible because we didn't know how long it would last. We left the rest on, so they were packed full for the winter. As to temperament, I have even gone into the hives for check-ups with shorts and short sleeves and was not stung. I started working full-time, so we need to slow down a bit. Any ideas? I hate to let them go, but I need to work outside the home now. Beverly Article 22741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Message-ID: <947925890.227356@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Cache-Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-59.wag.interact.net.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:46:54 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 947925890 203.37.7.3 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:44:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:44:50 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22741 I have used a 650W microwave to liquify candied honey, but I find it works better on small quantities around 500gm/1 pound. I usually take the lid off the jar put it in the MW for 1 minute then take it out and put the lid on and stand the jar upside down, that way the really hot honey on top goes through the candied stuff, if necessary I then re MW it for a minute at a time on the low setting -- Barry Metz Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message news:85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie... > Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have > granulated? > > If so what timings and what settings should one use? > > What are the disadvantages of this? > > Ruary Rudd > > Article 22742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Message-ID: <947926041.298919@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> Cache-Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-59.wag.interact.net.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:49:26 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@interact.net.au X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 947926041 203.37.7.3 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:47:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:47:21 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22742 I think you're right the grubs get mashed and become part of the honey and I strongly suspect that it is this practice that has resulted in reports of infant botulism in England and Australia. Depending on the time of year it is a much better idea to put the brood in a nucleus hive and let it hatch. -- Barry Metz Allen Dick wrote in message news:85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > I was wondering what the > > effect is when frames with significant amounts of brood are put > > into a centrifugal extractor. Do the little brood larvae (or even > > the big, fat larvae I have seen down in the cell just before > > their cell is capped) go flying out onto the sides of the > > extractor, just like the honey does? If so, then what happens to > > the larvae after that? Do their bodies or guts become > > incorporated into the final product? > > In a radial one does not see entire larvae thrown out, but I think some > do come out in a tangental type. > > In the case where brood is uncapped by the operator, some of the juice > comes out and mixes with the honey. Although the idea does not appeal > to most western tastes, it is harmless, and likely nutritious. > Nonetheless, most scrupulous beekeepers doe not extract brood. > > If brood combs *must* be extracted, then the operator scratches the > honey cappings around the brood area and leaves the brood capped. > > Can the larvae stand the 10 Gs or more and emerge later? Dunno. > > allen > ----- > See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions > BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 22743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeepers Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jan 2000 14:08:46 GMT References: <01bf5f5b$e0f9e780$2da24cc6@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000115090846.02808.00000554@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22743 >Herb, > >I don't know what newsreader software you're using, but with mine I can go >to view at the top and select to view all messages instead of unread >messages. >-- Thanks Ernie, That make two of us!! All I know is that I'm on aol and am using whatever software comes with it, I see that this site is listed in my favorite places as "sci.agriculture.beekeepers (unread)". It is possible that the (unread) is what is causing my trouble, but I can't seem to get here any other way. Herb Campbell Ft Walton Beach, Florida, USA Article 22744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Ende" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Suit wanted Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:16:09 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <85pvgt$h6q$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-152.orange-spotted-sleeper-goby.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 947945821 17626 62.137.50.152 (15 Jan 2000 14:17:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2000 14:17:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22744 Has anyone got a large or extra large bee jacket with veil and separate trousers to fill someone 6ft and over. Or where can I get hold of one. Matt. Article 22745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: eanglin@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unfinished business Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 06:19:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <85p3hk$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000112203058.01085.00001831@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.90.236.123 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 15 06:19:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.90.236.123 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDeanglin Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22745 In article <20000112203058.01085.00001831@ng-fh1.aol.com>, froggy4450@aol.com (Froggy4450) wrote: > One of my hives left half a super of honey mostly uncapped. > Is this a one-time fluke due to some environmental factor, or a lousy genetic trait that I'll want to requeen out of them? If the honey flow ends before the super is full, they will leave it unfinished and uncapped. Not much to do about it, unless you want to feed them more honey to get them to finish off the super for comb honey or something. (Don't feed sugar if you want to harvest it and call it "Honey") If the flow is over, the honey is probably ripe, and OK to extract- try the shake test. Ellen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:05:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <85p68a$8jp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85o97h$kpv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <9vuv7so5u11muaug39kgv2ro6ql184jd54@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 15 07:05:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22746 > I do hope that I am not blacklisted from the BEE-L > and shall attempt to post again when the occasion > arises. Don't worry. We don't hold any grudges and we don't *ever* black list *anyone* -- or exclude anyone. Approvals (or not) are made solely on the basis of each individual message and its appropriateness for the list according to the guidelines and the individual opinion of each moderator(Details at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/). BTW, it's certainly not too late to edit and re-submit your comments if you still feel inspired. I am sure many would be interested. > Peace. Peace. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: new beekeepers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <386E095B.1333661B@together.net> <20000112145419.21404.00001975@ng-cl1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bf5f5b$e0f9e780$2da24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 20 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:24:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.45 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 947942683 198.76.162.45 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:24:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:24:43 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22747 Herb, I don't know what newsreader software you're using, but with mine I can go to view at the top and select to view all messages instead of unread messages. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Please remove nospam from my return address > Unfortunately I've lost your original post that I just read a few minutes > ago. How do we get posts back in a thread on this board after we read them? > Mark the thread as "unread" will do it, but that's not possible if we get > licked off line as we are going through the thread. Article 22748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd year questions about supers Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:47:15 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <85tsv7$6lh$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3882590D.F4FF7CDF@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.153 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 948074279 6833 12.72.48.153 (17 Jan 2000 01:57:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2000 01:57:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22748 I have had great success with the Pierco frames, both deep and 6 5/8. No problem uncapping with an electric knife or extracting tangentially. I have rehab'd several wedge top bar frames with the plastic foundation with no support other than the top wedge and split bottom bar. So far so good but if you are not using existing frames, go for the grooved top and bottom style. It is a whole lot faster to snap the foundation in rather than secure it with a wedge. If you are a habitual peeker, I would suggest the plasic-in-wood rather than the Pierco as there is usually less ladder comb built between the wood. Not being a peeker, having another full-time job and being able to purchase the Pierco cheaper than wood/wax or wood/plastic, I am a big fan of the Pierco for the cost/labor savings. Some think the bees are reluctant to draw out the plastic but once the yellow-star thistle starts here, they will draw out just about anything other than that horrid Duragilt. Probably draw out a sheet of cardboard before they touch that stuff. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:3882590D.F4FF7CDF@bellsouth.net... > I have a couple of questions as I get ready to purchase supers for my > 2nd year hives. > > Are Pierco plastic frames OK to uncap with an electric hot knife? > > Are plastic substrate foundations like Plasticell or Rite-Cell held in > wedge frames with just support pins on the sides? Will it be OK to > extract these in a tangential extractor with wedge frames and support > pins? > > Thanks, > > Bill Daniels > SW Tennessee, USA > Article 22749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: marionhale@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,bionet.immunology,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.med.laboratory Subject: Varroa-Scabies Riddle Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:14:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <85o02d$dom$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.80.238.42 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 14 20:14:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 STUDENTS, 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.80.238.42 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmarionhale Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.med.pharmacy:83779 bionet.immunology:16409 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22749 sci.med.laboratory:11539 Varroa - Scabies Riddle Scabies mites suck man-blood, Varroa mites suck bee-blood (haemolymph) {Owing to a variation in blood} Scabies mites are selectively infective {showing a variation in immunity}. Tropical honey's healing power over scabies mite infection {shows honey varies the blood and immunity}. Can this {immunity} be fostered in bees which have no resistance to Varroa mite. And do tropical bees have a greater resistance to the mite. Does this {immunity} offer any leads to the wider understanding of immunity. How and with what do which bees make the healing honey. Any answers. marionhale http://xxlice.tripod.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Grade A and Honey Packets Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:31:04 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <85trbp$1fje$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <85sfr1$1b52$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3881D110.2998C84C@nospamvisi.net> <3881DF47.18761E6F@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-36.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 948072633 48750 209.130.165.36 (17 Jan 2000 01:30:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2000 01:30:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22750 I read somewhere...if everyone in the US would eat a teaspoon of (pure) honey a day...there would be a world shortage! :-) Imagine the possibility! --Busybee Judy and Dave wrote in message <3881DF47.18761E6F@fuse.net>... (Snipped) >Just think of the effect on the honey economy if we all worked really hard to get >everyone to 'just taste it'. An awesome possibility. > >Judy in Kentucky > >Thom Bradley wrote: > (snipped) >> and my wife handles the sales. >> >> Thom Bradley >> Chesapeake, VA >> Tidewater Beekeeper's Association >> http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers >> >> busybee wrote: >> > (snipped)>> > >> > --Busybee >> > (on a soapbox again) > > > Article 22751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: You better watch'em Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:51:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <85trli$e00$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p45.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22751 I looked through 12 hives today. All had large areas of capped brood already. They are going to explode early this year in the mid-eastern U.S.. Make sure they have lots of stores. I saw several bees chewing on balls of pollen. They are making beebread. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maximum Brood Area Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:24:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <85u5gu$hfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85p72u$8vv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <947926041.298919@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 17 04:24:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22752 > ...the grubs get mashed and become part of the honey and I > strongly suspect that it is this practice that has resulted in > reports of infant botulism in England and Australia... No worries. Botulism is only related to spores that ocur in all raw agricultural products that are exposed to dust and the earth, not to clean and healthy brood (which some people eat as a delicacy). Most of us are not affected by dirt, but some youngsters are susceptible to these spores due to the pH of their digestive systems. I guess that in some cases dust gets into honey and that is unfortunately the problem. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: unfinished business Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jan 2000 04:33:56 GMT References: <85p3hk$6pf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000116233356.13192.00000346@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22753 Thanks, I'm feeding it back to a different hive to thwart starvation. The hive that I'm asking about is actually a feral afterswarm (I'm told) that I purchased from a guy who is listed in the phone book as an exterminator specializing in the live removal of bee colonies and swarms. I hoped that by purchasing swarms originating from feral colonies that had overwintered here, I could get bees that were winter hardy in my area. John Article 22754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BVT & Lupus Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:28:08 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <85sdfo$28vm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-56.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 948025656 74742 209.130.165.56 (16 Jan 2000 12:27:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2000 12:27:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22754 BTW, there is ample info on the net, too! --Busybee Ed Mabesoone wrote in message ... >Does anyone have any information about the treatment of Lupus with BVT > >Thanks > >Ed > > Article 22755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com.MISMATCH!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: new beekeepers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bf5f5b$e0f9e780$2da24cc6@default> <20000115090846.02808.00000554@ng-fs1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bf60e1$c2b652e0$2ea24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.46 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 948110136 198.76.162.46 (Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:55:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:55:36 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22755 Sorry Herb, I don't know much about AOL's browser. Maybe someone else on the group can help you out. Ernie > Thanks Ernie, > > That make two of us!! All I know is that I'm on aol and am using > whatever software comes with it, > > I see that this site is listed in my favorite places as > "sci.agriculture.beekeepers (unread)". > It is possible that the (unread) is what is causing my trouble, but I can't > seem to get here any other way. > > Herb Campbell > > Ft Walton Beach, Florida, USA > Article 22756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning bee suits Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:57:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000117075705.20706.00000463@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22756 >What is red devil lye? The only lye I know is used in soap making - >caustic soda (NaOH). If so, please say the concentration. > flakes in a can probably 95% caustic soda and maybe 5% soda ash. For all intents cleaning wise 100% is close enough. Again this stuff is not good on you be carefull. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L is Dead Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:58:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000117075831.20706.00000464@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22757 I dunno bout Albany but college kids here don't return until 26 Jan. Seems like a good time for a University to have down time. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning bee suits Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jan 2000 13:16:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000117081602.02126.00000119@nso-fv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22758 In article , James Kilty writes: > >In article <20000116110555.18537.00000602@ng-fb1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter > writes >>I use a couple tablespoons of red devil lye >What is red devil lye? The only lye I know is used in soap making - >caustic soda (NaOH). If so, please say the concentration. > >Thanks. Red Devil lye is a Brand of Caustic Soda. It is common in Southern Grocery Stores. Article 22759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: US Grade A and Honey Packets Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:08:16 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <85sfr1$1b52$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-56.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 948028065 44194 209.130.165.56 (16 Jan 2000 13:07:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2000 13:07:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22759 Last night, my family went out to eat at a buffet-style restaurant. Duane picked up a single serve honey packet...labled "US Grade A Honey". That was ALL it said! Maybe honey producers are spoiled but it was some AWFUL tasting stuff! Anyway, it got me to thinking and questioning...'cuz I just always assumed (probably along with virtually all the general public). Let me understand this: Being labled US Grade A does not necessarily mean the product was produced in the US. Being labled US Grade A...does not necessarily mean "quality". It did not say it was PURE honey...so it could have had corn syrup added...therefore the inferior taste. So then, US Grade A honey doesn't mean a dang thing! To me it just meets a very minimal standard to pass as a sweetener that resembles honey. Isn't it time the US consumers demand higher quality and be informed about the origin of product and US grading standards? What can we do as honey producers inform consumers that all honey is NOT the same? If I were to buy THAT honey (single-serve packets) in a larger quantity and even if I didn't know there WAS a difference, I would most definately be turned off and declare "I don't like honey"! People have no clue what great PURE honey tastes like! We need to educate the public and upgrade the US grading standards! Anybody with me? --Busybee (on a soapbox again) Article 22760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L is Dead Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:22:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <85vc3s$c03$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 17 15:22:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22760 > ...without warning the ALBANY.EDU domain is dead ... It has been > dead for about 24 hours as I write. (This is Sunday noon MST). Aaron just wrote me that it is coming back to life right now (7:50 AN MST Monday Jan 17, Y2K). Apparently there was a power failure over the weekend. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.netins.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:09:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <85vlsp$jup$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3882AE12.96455CF0@flyingpig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.203 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 17 18:09:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.203 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22761 > Hey I'm new to beekeeping and I'd like to know if this list produces a > FAQ, and where I might find it. Thanks. Yeah, there sure is. I'm not sure exactly where it is, but it has been mentioned here and you can find it fast by going to http://www.DejaNews.com/ and doing a search of the sci.agriculture.beekeeping archives. If you use FAQ as a key, you'll find the post where Adam last mentioned it and be able to follow the pointer. Moreover, while you are there, you can search for any topic under the sun. The site in my signature (below) will also give you lots of good info. Beekeeping is so diversified that any FAQ would not be able to cover everything, and often the facts are contradictory depending on where you live and why you want bees. Dig in. Have fun. And don't forget to come back. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.bcn.ttd.net!not-for-mail From: islapro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HidroHoney at they Sunday flea market. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:14:38 +0000 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3882DD7E.DDFC568@islapro.com> Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209.bdf.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22762 In the sunday market here, there is a beekeeper: Jaume, with all his goods: honey, wax, propolis, books and "Hidromel". The "Hidromel" in 1/2 liters botles, he has a description wirtten in a paper, and for the benefits of all of us here goes: Hidromel is an alcoholic liquor obtained from a process of fermentation of Honey and Water. It is probably the first and oldest liquor of its kind. Honied drinks were believed to have Divine Associations, and were called “Nectar of the Gods”, playing a part in Religious Rites as offerings to the Gods. The Gods of Olympus were honoured as too was Istar the Babylonian Goddess of Love. Le liquor was known elsewhere by other names, e.g. in ancient Greece as Melikatron, and in olden Rome as Aqua Mulsion. The later was popular and it is believed to have a favourite of Julius Caesar. Celts and Saxons in Europe, and Mayans in the Americas consumed it in abundance and respected greatly its special qualities. A name Mead was sometimes used by the first mentioned. After considerable and painstaking Research we have rediscovered this Sweet Concentration Hydromel. We commend it to you as a digestive, a soother of throats, and to lift the Human Spirit in moments of sadness. Take it in a small Glass, never to excess and you will relish the all round benefit to the full. Article 22763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:23:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3882610E.1D94E37D@usol.com> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22763 Maverick??? what is this maverick? i have not heard of this, where do i find info please???? ++++++++++++ There is a reason why the commercial guys buy Maverick - IT WORKS. It is cheap and they are able to keep their bees alive and very healthy while the hobbyists play with their apistan and replace 50+% of their bees each spring. Greg the beekeep Article 22764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:03:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp09.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:03:05 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22764 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have > granulated? > > If so what timings and what settings should one use? > > What are the disadvantages of this? > > Ruary Rudd The best way I have found is to place the jars or bucket in a large cooler. Place a small lamp with a 40W bulb in and turn on overnight. Check it first thing in the morning, it will be much hotter than you think. If you need to melt down a bucket that is too large for your cooler, place a towel or two over the top, MAKING SURE THE TOWEL IS FIXED IN PLACE SO IT DOES NOT TOUCH THE BULB! lay the lamp down if you have too. Rotate the bucket if necessary. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Tidewater Beekeepers Association http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers Article 22765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: shelley corbin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: warm january = sugar candy? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:16:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38825F58.D81C9F0@usol.com> References: <38794383.EB19AAB1@usol.com> <387B5E57.B485BE85@riverace.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22765 thanks to ruary and steve for your information. Article 22766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3881D110.2998C84C@nospamvisi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Grade A and Honey Packets References: <85sfr1$1b52$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:10:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp09.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:10:46 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22766 When our club, or simply when I goto "do" a fair, we bring along squeeze bears of each different style of honey we have in order to use as tasters. Most people don't know that all honey isn't that amber stuff in the store. Some times we have to cajole people into tasting but we try to make it clear our purpose is to educate, not sell (at that point anyway). Be careful in pushing though, you never know who is diabetic and simply doesn't want to discuss it. Many times, simply seeing the stand with 6 different colors of honey is enough to educate. It prompts lots of questions. The education begins there and it is real easy. Commonly it winds up that I perform the show and my wife handles the sales. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Tidewater Beekeeper's Association http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers busybee wrote: > > Last night, my family went out to eat at a buffet-style restaurant. Duane > picked up a single serve honey packet...labled "US Grade A Honey". That was > ALL it said! > > Maybe honey producers are spoiled but it was some AWFUL tasting stuff! > Anyway, it got me to thinking and questioning...'cuz I just always assumed > (probably along with virtually all the general public). Let me understand > this: > > Being labled US Grade A does not necessarily mean the product was produced > in the US. > > Being labled US Grade A...does not necessarily mean "quality". > > It did not say it was PURE honey...so it could have had corn syrup > added...therefore the inferior taste. > > So then, US Grade A honey doesn't mean a dang thing! To me it just meets a > very minimal standard to pass as a sweetener that resembles honey. > > Isn't it time the US consumers demand higher quality and be > informed about the origin of product and US grading standards? > > What can we do as honey producers inform consumers that all honey is NOT the > same? If I were to buy THAT honey (single-serve packets) in a larger > quantity and even if I didn't know there WAS a difference, I would most > definately be turned off and declare "I don't like honey"! People have no > clue what great PURE honey tastes like! > > We need to educate the public and upgrade the US grading standards! Anybody > with me? > > --Busybee > (on a soapbox again) Article 22767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.esat.net!iol.ie!news.iol.ie!not-for-mail From: "grduffy" Subject: Matt Cochrane Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bf5f99$97bacce0$4a2c7dc2@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 5 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:47:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.125.44.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@iol.ie X-Trace: news.iol.ie 947969270 194.125.44.74 (Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:47:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:47:50 GMT Organization: Ireland On-Line Customer Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22767 Would like to get in touch with Matt Cochrane last contacted in the Dept of Agriculture West Virginia in the late eighties Greg Duffy. Article 22768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: US Grade A and Honey Packets Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:09:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 88 Message-ID: <3881DF47.18761E6F@fuse.net> References: <85sfr1$1b52$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3881D110.2998C84C@nospamvisi.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22768 Our bee club is new enough that honey sales do not seem as important as usual. Most everyone is only getting enough honey to feed their family and friends. We usually have to beg people to bring honey to sell at the fair. But this is a good thing. It is interesting to watch the various beekeepers convince, cajole, force the consumers into testing different kinds of honey. And the looks on the consumers faces. Awesome. How sad that the current consumers really have no idea what pure, natural, 100% honey tastes like. And that there are different tastes. Watch the eyes. When you finally convince a person to just try the 2 kinds of honey. They are a bit, well, feeling like an infomercial is being performed. Then the taste. Wow. Wonderful. Then try the other kind. The eyebrows go up, the eyes open wide, then the smile. Usually a big smile. Our bee meeting following the fair is great. Everyone has a story about someone who tasted the honey. Seldom do we discuss honey sales. Except to complain about making no money! The Honey Board really does send out info to stores, etc. on honey. Unfortunately, the stores that post the info don't usually carry 'local' honey. I am all for educating the public, however, just in our area us beekeepers don't have enough local honey to go around. Around this time of year, even beekeepers are looking for local honey to buy! Just think of the effect on the honey economy if we all worked really hard to get everyone to 'just taste it'. An awesome possibility. Judy in Kentucky Thom Bradley wrote: > When our club, or simply when I goto "do" a fair, we bring along > squeeze bears of each different style of honey we have in order to use > as tasters. Most people don't know that all honey isn't that amber stuff > in the store. Some times we have to cajole people into tasting but we > try to make it clear our purpose is to educate, not sell (at that point > anyway). Be careful in pushing though, you never know who is diabetic > and simply doesn't want to discuss it. > Many times, simply seeing the stand with 6 different colors of honey is > enough to educate. It prompts lots of questions. The education begins > there and it is real easy. Commonly it winds up that I perform the show > and my wife handles the sales. > > Thom Bradley > Chesapeake, VA > Tidewater Beekeeper's Association > http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers > > busybee wrote: > > > > Last night, my family went out to eat at a buffet-style restaurant. Duane > > picked up a single serve honey packet...labled "US Grade A Honey". That was > > ALL it said! > > > > Maybe honey producers are spoiled but it was some AWFUL tasting stuff! > > Anyway, it got me to thinking and questioning...'cuz I just always assumed > > (probably along with virtually all the general public). Let me understand > > this: > > > > Being labled US Grade A does not necessarily mean the product was produced > > in the US. > > > > Being labled US Grade A...does not necessarily mean "quality". > > > > It did not say it was PURE honey...so it could have had corn syrup > > added...therefore the inferior taste. > > > > So then, US Grade A honey doesn't mean a dang thing! To me it just meets a > > very minimal standard to pass as a sweetener that resembles honey. > > > > Isn't it time the US consumers demand higher quality and be > > informed about the origin of product and US grading standards? > > > > What can we do as honey producers inform consumers that all honey is NOT the > > same? If I were to buy THAT honey (single-serve packets) in a larger > > quantity and even if I didn't know there WAS a difference, I would most > > definately be turned off and declare "I don't like honey"! People have no > > clue what great PURE honey tastes like! > > > > We need to educate the public and upgrade the US grading standards! Anybody > > with me? > > > > --Busybee > > (on a soapbox again) Article 22769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:41:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 70 Message-ID: <85t6sj$sdt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jan 16 19:41:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.183 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22769 At risk of continuing this after it it all peacefully resolved itself, I do wish to correct some factual errors that were promulgated here and might lead to false understanding: > ...BEE-L has become somewhat unreliable as a place > to post since you decided that it needed to be moderated. > It also has become pretty boring. The number of posts > has decreased dramatically, as the traffic on > sci.agriculture.beekeeping has increased and become > more interesting... Since the beginning of the year, BEE-L moderators received ~285 posts. Now some of these were SPAM or rejected for some bona fide reason -- Let's be generous and say 50. That leaves ~235 acceptably meaningful and relevant posts that were distributed via BEE-L. In the same period, I count ~135 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Now I must confess that counting posts on USENET is difficult due to the propagation lags. I am using the email deliveries from DejaNews for comparison purposes. I doubt there is ever a post that does not get pretty quickly to DejaNews via it's thre redundant high-quality links, so that count should be reasonably good. The only problem is that the email delivery part is erratic and runs around four days late compared to the newsgroup delivery at DejaNews site. So, I'll say that I think that -- using an arbitrarily adjusted number - - sci.agriculture.beekeeping got about 180 in the same period. It seems to me that the traffic here at sci.ag.bee is about the same as ever, but then I understand that each person's perception of any newsgroup's volume will depend on the current state of his ISP. So much for the quantitative comparison. It appears that BEE-L has comparatively higher volume, but both have good volume. Since the BEE- L historical max was about 20 per day, I think we are running around normal. Actually, since the New Year, it seems to me that people are especially enthusiastic and we are getting a surge of realy good posts. I may try to send some over here. I realise that 'pretty boring' and 'more interesting' are personal judgements, and I certainly do find things here that I consider interesting. I even see things here sometimes that I relay to BEE-L. Having said that, I must confess that I don't bother reading the vast majority of the posts on this group anymore, whereas I read *everything* on BEE-L when I am home (I have to to moderate, but would anyways). I find about 85% of the BEE-L traffic interesting. Someone else might see things the other way around... Each group has its own pupose and its own followers, and, for that matter, there is considerable overlap in readership. It would be unfair to try to say one group is better or worse, and I am glad they are both here and both active. I hope anyone will correct any serious errors in my estimates, but please understand that they are necessarily rough. It wouldn't be worth it -- to me anyhow -- to spend time getting exact numbers. But anyone else is welcome to challenge them. In the meantime, hope I have dispelled any misunderstandings. Peace. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon1.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Peter Hawkey & Keith Weeks Subject: Re: Brace combs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <047cf9fd.5e10e220@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com> Lines: 12 Bytes: 577 X-Originating-Host: 195.99.47.180 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <0dafc36c.e832da58@usw-ex0109-066.remarq.com> <85hanu$na8$1@scotty.tinet.ie> X-Wren-Trace: eGVAaGlwN302Lz9lYTJvaW5Wd3RpbzF2cmdvciJycygqMnwxJXwpJT0zLzEzdQ== Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:43:42 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.75 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 948052235 10.0.2.75 (Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:50:35 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:50:35 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22770 Thank you for your help. Yes it would be very early for new supers this time of year (when I say this year I mean last season The new millennium hasn't quite caught up with us this far north!). I suspect our problem lies in a mixture of both replies - our spacing is incorrect and we put our supers on before the honey flow started. Many thanks maybe we'll have better luck next year- I mean this year :-) Peter * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 22771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:15:14 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 21 Message-ID: <86050j$jra$1@gxsn.com> References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.220.10 X-Trace: 948148051 1NNUCNF1GDCA C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22771 Come on! Don't forget that old broken chest freezer Strip out the works and add a 40/60 watt heater or bulb with a thermostat Great insulation Gentle heat Little loss of hmf De-crystallises buckets or jars of honey Best wishes Chris Thom Bradley wrote in message <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net>... > > >Ruary Rudd wrote: >> >> Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have >> granulated? >> Article 22772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:49:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8605bj$o32$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <20000112001350.01817.00000040@ng-bg1.aol.com> <387E625D.5F5CE8F8@fuse.net> <85lstj$23j$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22772 "David Verville" wrote: >It's my understanding that the gel pack will be placed on the TOP BARS and >not hung down >between the frames. I refer to Bee Culture Magazine, January 2000 page 49. >This misinformation on how to use a particular product is what got us into >this >mess to begin with! >Dave V >Fremont NH You are absolutely correct. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:47:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3882610E.1D94E37D@usol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22773 shelley corbin wrote: >Maverick??? what is this maverick? i have not heard of this, where do i >find info please???? >++++++++++++ >There is a reason why the commercial guys buy Maverick - IT >WORKS. It is cheap and they are able to keep their bees >alive and very healthy while the hobbyists play with their >apistan and replace 50+% of their bees each spring. >Greg the beekeep Maverick is a solution of 22% fluvalinate. You cut it with three parts water and soak paper towels in it. Wring them out and place them on the top bars for the bees to chew out. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!dt-cegetel!starship!not-for-mail From: "eric.faucon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: laboratory Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:20:48 +0100 Organization: Infonie Lines: 5 Message-ID: <948014872.581664@news1> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.10 X-Trace: starship.infonie.fr 948013792 9889 10.1.5.10 (16 Jan 2000 09:09:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infonie.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2000 09:09:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news1!unknown@195.242.114.237 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22774 I'm saerching laboratories with good skills for searching phenols and antibiotics. Thank you for your help. Article 22775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:47:21 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8635nh$8i$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.52.230 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 948247089 274 12.72.52.230 (19 Jan 2000 01:58:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2000 01:58:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22775 Since on more than 1 occasion I have seen posts from "honeybs" admonishing others for not knowing or following the label on Apistan, I have to ask: Is this application consistent with the labeling of Mavrik? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "honeybs" wrote in message news:85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net... > > There is a reason why the commercial guys buy Maverick - IT > WORKS. It is cheap and they are able to keep their bees > alive and very healthy while the hobbyists play with their > apistan and replace 50+% of their bees each spring. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Article 22776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Dave Wilkie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is there a FAQ? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:52:18 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3882AE12.96455CF0@flyingpig.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22776 Hey I'm new to beekeeping and I'd like to know if this list produces a FAQ, and where I might find it. Thanks. Dave Article 22777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd year questions about supers Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jan 2000 12:54:59 GMT References: <85tsv7$6lh$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000117075459.20706.00000462@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22777 So far the only downside to Pierco is they damage easy with a hive tool. When you pry up the top of the one you are prying against gets mashed down. My solution has been to use 2 hive tools one to spread the prying force out. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2nd year questions about supers Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:34:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <85v4rv$6ve$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3882590D.F4FF7CDF@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22778 "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" wrote: >I have a couple of questions as I get ready to purchase supers for my >2nd year hives. >Are Pierco plastic frames OK to uncap with an electric hot knife? >Are plastic substrate foundations like Plasticell or Rite-Cell held in >wedge frames with just support pins on the sides? Will it be OK to >extract these in a tangential extractor with wedge frames and support >pins? >Thanks, >Bill Daniels >SW Tennessee, USA Go with the right cell in wood frames. No support pins needed. The all plastic frames flex, are hard to remove, tend to build up lots and lots of brace comb, and there are far too many places for wax moths to pupate in them. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38850B3E.A58F746C@gte.net> From: Rich Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Perhaps you heard about our wind Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 X-Trace: +TWuLEIqmD9OHb6N3Srcku3gblBZc1QouyWI2621D/Fy0o6xA+t2qJSDiNe8Y5BaslMzl+t9gcyz!wHcE+8Kis1I6oDZRA7/Vh7bxgJMEyK4wj76RGt/wlkOWl3LW6RtO X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:56:07 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:56:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22779 So experience may be the best teacher, but I highly recommend that you do not follow our example. If we'd have just put a brick or two on top of our hives, then the top wouldn't have blown off some of them, chilling the entire hive, possibly to extinction. Consider yourself warned! Rich Webb Article 22780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 19 Jan 2000 01:08:20 GMT References: <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000118200820.03561.00000114@ng-cf1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22780 >Maverick??? what is this maverick? i have not heard of this, where do i >>find info please???? > By the way for those people not able to get Maverick locally... Yard X contains the same active ingredients its a 4:1:1 ratio 4 water 1maverick and 1 vinegar...you spray this on your bottom board and all other entrances. Article 22781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!central.inet.fi!inet.fi!read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Seppo.Korpela@mtt.fi (Seppo Korpela) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Message-ID: <38841762.79826075@news.inet.fi> References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net> <86050j$jra$1@gxsn.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:32:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.208.146.48 X-Trace: read2.inet.fi 948184357 193.208.146.48 (Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:32:37 EET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:32:37 EET Organization: Sonera corp Internet services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22781 "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Come on! >Don't forget that old broken chest freezer >Strip out the works and add a 40/60 watt heater or bulb with a thermostat >Great insulation >Gentle heat >Little loss of hmf As concerns HMF, the advantage of gentle heating with heat cabinet compared with microwave heating seems more to be connected with small loss of enzymes. On the other hand there is only a small *increase* in HMF content of honey. I have written on this in BEE-L: "There was an article in Deutsches Bienen-Journal 3: 78-82 by Werner von der Ohe/Katharina von der Ohe in 1992 entitled "Honigqualitat: der Einfluss der Temperatur [Honey quality: the effect of temperature]." The authors report on their experiments on heating honey either in a water bath at 40, 50 or 60 deg. C or with microwaves. The changes in HMF content and in contents of the enzymes invertase, amylase and glucose oxidase were recorded. The heating at 40 deg. C for 24 h caused neither decrease of enzyme content nor an inrease of HMF content. Treatment with microwawes caused a slight increase in the HMF content but almost a total loss of the enzymes." Article 22782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:40:07 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38862e6d.6252632@news.freeserve.net> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <85fj5a$6vi$4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-252.jewel-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 948318267 22787 62.137.33.252 (19 Jan 2000 21:44:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2000 21:44:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22782 On 11 Jan 2000 15:44:42 GMT, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: Interesting. I sell Nectar-Ease here in the UK. It is a New Zealand product, Manuka Honey with bees venom added. It is targeted at people with arthritis and is based upon the use of bee stings. However, the interesting part is that the producers originally claimed that they had 'discovered' the product after their bees had stung the honey. At the time I dismissed this as waffle but after your comments I now wonder? Has anybody come up with something more certain? Steve Article 22783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:32:56 -0600 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making European splits off of African Hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.198.231 X-Trace: 19 Jan 2000 16:43:59 -0600, 209.163.198.231 Lines: 5 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.198.231 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22783 I have one hive that has gone Africanized. It isn't real easy to work them, but I was wondering if I can use workers and brood from that hive to make splits with and just requeen the hive with a European queen. I live in South Central Texas and so climate may play a part in it, I don't know. Article 22784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African Hives Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jan 2000 00:39:05 GMT References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22784 In article <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com>, Karen & Kevin writes: > >I have one hive that has gone Africanized. It isn't real easy to work >them, but I was wondering if I can use workers and brood from that hive >to make splits with and just requeen the hive with a European queen. I >live in South Central Texas and so climate may play a part in it, I >don't know. > > My experience last year was that all 7 splits killed the queen. I Introduced in a shipping cage, no workers, between uncapped brood. The AHB workers did not accept the queen. You might try to use a wire cage pushed in the brood, but I have doubts about it. I have not tried it. Of course, the workers are madly fighting you all the time. I have kept bees for 30 years now, all over the country (calif, Maryland, Virginia, Mississippi). I am now in central Texas. All feral colonies are gone, and it is difficult to work the AHB with the experience I have learned in the past. Requeening is also very difficult, as the queen runs (even flies away), and the workers when agitated are difficult to work. I have tried requeening many methods, including a nuc introduced above wire screens. Success rate is very poor. I do wish the USDA would produce a new beekeeping guide for us with this bee. Old knowledge and books dont apply. Article 22785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.202.242.244 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 948339717 208.202.242.244 (Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:41:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:41:57 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:41:57 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22785 I have a question as regards organic farming and mite/disease control in beehives. I work for a small organic farming operation that also has a vineyard. We are wanting to put about eight hives of bees in the area to pollinate the flowers we grow and to take advantage of the area's extensive bee forage. Our problem is that we do not know if present control methods will nullify our organic certification. Is Apistan considered an organic compound? If not is fluvalinate? What about formic acid? What about other products used to treat honeybee diseases such as Fumidil and Terramycin? -- Gordon Hayes New Harmony, Indiana, USA flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 Article 22786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "JoJo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ag Related Search Engine with links to Bee Sites Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 948342800 209.179.121.159 (Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:33:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:33:20 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Wed Jan 19 20:33:20 2000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:33:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22786 GrowSearch --- The Search Engine for Small Farmers and Gardeners has been redesigned! Check it out at: http://growsearch.hypermart.net/ Submit you farm-related site while you're there too! -Kellen Weissenbach GrowSearch http://growsearch.hypermart.net/ Article 22787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:07:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8674rj$28l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3882610E.1D94E37D@usol.com> <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 20 14:07:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22787 > ...The reason we now have mites > resistant to Apistan (and Bayvarol presumably) in Europe is precisely > because beekeepers did what is recommended here. Italians started it > and resistant mites soon showed up.... > Apparently both too high and too low dosages lead to resistant mites. I'd like to take issue with this popular myth. The simple fact is that even the manufacturers of Apistan (tm) knew all along, and have admitted that the expected useful life for fluvalinate-tau as a varroa control would be limited no matter how carefully it were used. A optimal vehicle and optimal administration methods were designed to prolong the expected life, but it was known from the start that it would fail in a fairly short time due to the nature of the mite, the nature of ther pesticide, the doses that could be used and the normal variability in dose that occurs in even the most scrupulous field application. Whenever a single control agent is used to manage a pest, the pest has an opportunity to develop whatever resistance is possible. Only where there is no possible resistance mechanism will the pest continue to controlled indefinitely. In all other cases, it is necessary to alternate unrelated controls and to possibly tolerate some basic non- economic population of the pest to prevent resistance. For some reason the idea of blaming beekeepers for the demise of the effectiveness of fluvalinate-tau caught on, and even beekeepers enjoy repeating the myth. The simple fact is that resistance was inevitable and if beekeepers did anything by using non-approved methods, they simply accelerated the process a bit. And FWIW, this can never be proven one way or the other and will always be moot. Alternate unapproved application methods for fluvalinate in its various forms can be criticised more validly for the risk of contaminating wax and honey and danger to beekeepers. The good news: Apparently after discontinuing Apistan (tm) use for a few years in favour of other controls, the mite populations revert to where Apistan will again have some significant effect. I gather the resistant mites are less fit, and may also result from weaker genes, so they are diluted fairly rapidly from the population over successive generations. FWIW. allen -- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38870A87.942244A5@nospamvisi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fermenting supers References: <3887057d.1347002@news.ncweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:17:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp04.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:17:20 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22788 Pat, The best way to avoid disease is to toss all of the frames into a solar melter and melt 'em down. I don't bother cutting it out, just toss them in like that. Since the equipment is used, you can't be sure of the state of contamination with AFB spores, etc. Yes, comb is very valuable, but if there is AFB you will have bigger headaches. Melt them down, scorch them, put foundation back in them, put them back on the bees first of spring and feed the heck out of the bees. They'll draw it back out. Learn how to make candles or soap with the wax, or turn it in to your bee supply man in exchange for foundation. You won't be sorry. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA "Patrick M. Hennessey" wrote: > > I have recently bought some used supers. The comb still has some > honey in it that is now fermenting. My question is, can I feed this > honey back to the bees in the spring? I am trying to keep the comb so > the bees do not have to draw it out again. I have been told it is ok > to let the bees rob the honey out of it, and I have been told to cut > the comb out melt it down and start over again. Please let me know > what the group thinks. Article 22789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> Subject: SV: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.245.21 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 948391895 212.151.245.21 (Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:11:35 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:11:35 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-245-21.swipnet.se Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:41:43 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22789 Hello Gordon, I can only speak for organic certification in Sweden, but I suppose the rules are similar over the world. For varroa control you may use organic acids (lactic, formic or oxalic) since they naturally appear in honey in small amounts. Fluvalinate is the poison in Apistan, which is not allowed. Neither are Fumidil or Terramycin, but other diseases than varroa can be controlled by hygienic measures or by changing queen. Maybe you could you ask the organization, where the certificate comes from? Doris Article 22790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Swarm Prediction Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:22:15 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <200001201933.OAA21439@listserv.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" , "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001201933.OAA21439@listserv.albany.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _S7vnF8xsBK6103kA7lhFxQ= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22790 > > ...it means recording the > > sound and taking it back to the computer, doesn't it?... > Using a PC to perform the analysis doesn't necessarily require one to > go back to their home base... > I would leave the laptop in the truck > (powered by the truck's 12V system) and then use some sort of > wireless microphone/headset combination to transmit sounds from the > hive back to the PC. Jerry is talking cheap transducers in every hive, and satellite links to relay hive activity data to any *remote* location anywhere on this planet -- or off. This is not science fiction. He is already doing this. Students who have never been to his apiaries are able to conduct experiments at schools far distant, I understand. For possible software interfaces interpreting data, he has created a simulation, complete with alarms, etc.. I have seen it. Very impressive. Visit his observation hive page, accessible from my page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ under "Observation Hives'. Here's another idea for sound observation: if you take a parabolic or spherical reflector and mount a microphone at the correct point on its axis, you will get a very sensitive device that can hear faint sounds at great distance. Such a cheap and simple device was described using a child's sliding toy - the 'Flying Saucer' as the reflector some time back. Such a device could be fixed mounted, aimed at each hive in succession -- and possibly hear what needs to be heard. Sound is a funny thing. Bomber pilots used to use throat mics with great success. There is the old eavesdropping trick of holding one's ear to a glass held against the wall. Windows in a room vibrate when people speak, and some snoopers use this diaphragm effect for listening. Polling lasers could notice the slight up/down movements in hives mounted on foam or rubber and deduce weight changes from a distance. There are many tricks that could result in economical harvesting of data, and, now -- just recently -- there have been developed economical ways of relaying and processing them to give useful and meaningful output. Can this be applied to everyday beekeeping? I think so, and the process is starting right here. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.ntplx.net!not-for-mail From: jcore@aol.net (coriolis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frame spacers Message-ID: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:25:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.213.189.135 X-Trace: news.ntplx.net 948418273 204.213.189.135 (Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:31:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:31:13 EST Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22791 I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. thanks, mark Article 22792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: <5Oc7rIAaJ7h4EwHf@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3882610E.1D94E37D@usol.com> <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net> <8674rj$28l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948418309 nnrp-06:29648 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22792 In article <8674rj$28l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Allen Dick writes >even the manufacturers of Apistan (tm) knew all along, and have >admitted that the expected useful life for fluvalinate-tau as a varroa >control would be limited no matter how carefully it were used. it was known from the start that it >would fail in a fairly short time due to the nature of the mite, the >nature of ther pesticide, the doses that could be used and the normal >variability in dose that occurs in even the most scrupulous field >application. I have no problems with that >For some reason the idea of blaming beekeepers for the demise of the >effectiveness of fluvalinate-tau caught on, and even beekeepers enjoy >repeating the myth. They used Klartan soaked into wood and other absorbent materials. It's strange that eminent and informed beekeepers pass on this idea. The "spread" was, I believe, monitored. >Alternate unapproved application methods for fluvalinate in its various >forms can be criticised more validly for the risk of contaminating wax >and honey and danger to beekeepers. And that happened in these cases too. >The good news: Apparently after discontinuing Apistan (tm) use for a >few years in favour of other controls, the mite populations revert to >where Apistan will again have some significant effect. Yes. Where alternates are used in Continental Europe, this was found. Regrettably it has taken till last year for the UK authorities to even half approve "non-medicinal curative substances" along with Apistan. Before then we were in the strange situation that only Bayvarol was approved, yet official literature exhorted us to use alternating methods, presumably because not only does it make sense to anticipate resistance, but the facts as you outline, were already known, but not publicised. >I gather the resistant mites are less fit, and may also result from >weaker genes, so they are diluted fairly rapidly from the population >over successive generations. strange they are less fit. >FWIW. quite a lot, I'd say. > >allen >-- >See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions >BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. -- James Kilty Article 22793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:27:20 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 58 Message-ID: <868a7t$bma$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.102 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 948415549 11978 12.72.48.102 (21 Jan 2000 00:45:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2000 00:45:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22793 "Organic" means a lot of different things to different people; however, if your farming concern has a USDA certification that allows for labeling as "organic" and you want to keep that certification; then all other opinions are moot and you need to look to the certifying authority for your answers. Lots of info at he the USDA's National Organic Program page: http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/ Best I can tell without spending all day looking, this site was updated Oct, 1999. Does anyone know if the rules are still "proposed" or has there actually been some movement on them? Issue Paper 2. The Use of Antibiotics and Parasiticides in Organic Livestock Production: http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/Issue%20Paper%20Pages/Issue%20Paper%20Documents/ issuep~2.txt poses your questions and being a democratic society where lawmakers don't make any decisions that will ruffle anyones feathers, the whole thing was open to public comment and the comments are available elsewhere on the site.Good luck getting a straight answer. It has been a while since I scanned over this stuff but I recall having a hard time figuring out just where the honeybee fits in. There is some specific info on honey production but not real specific as to the bees status as livestock. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Gordon Hayes" wrote in message news:9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com... > I have a question as regards organic farming and mite/disease control in > beehives. I work for a small organic farming operation that also has a > vineyard. We are wanting to put about eight hives of bees in the area to > pollinate the flowers we grow and to take advantage of the area's extensive > bee forage. Our problem is that we do not know if present control methods > will nullify our organic certification. Is Apistan considered an organic > compound? If not is fluvalinate? What about formic acid? What about other > products used to treat honeybee diseases such as Fumidil and Terramycin? > > > -- > Gordon Hayes > New Harmony, Indiana, USA > > flashgh@evansville.net > http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh > http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 > > > Article 22794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.202.242.229 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 948427595 208.202.242.229 (Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:06:35 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:06:35 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:06:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22794 Thanks all for the info. As one responder said, I am praying for a lot of wisdom and luck in trying to interpret what any government agency says. They talk out of the side of their mouths a lot. According to what I read on one site, Terramycin is not taboo in crop production operations. Do plants get TM? I guess that one could always take the bees out of the vicinity before adding the substances in question. -- Gordon Hayes New Harmony, Indiana, USA flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 Article 22795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:30:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.76.161.123 X-Trace: news3.mia 948425575 216.76.161.123 (Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:32:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:32:55 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22795 From my point of view, the main advantage of 8 frame spacers over 9 frame spacers is less honey.......if that is what you want. Charles Heatherly, Cary,NC coriolis wrote: > I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. > > I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. > > I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I > see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks > from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. > > thanks, > mark Article 22796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:04:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8644rh$sib$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> <8635nh$8i$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22796 "George Styer" wrote: >Since on more than 1 occasion I have seen posts from "honeybs" admonishing >others for not knowing or following the label on Apistan, I have to ask: >Is this application consistent with the labeling of Mavrik? >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To respond via email, get the "L" out of there The problem with misusing Apistan is that it is marginal to start with at best. It does not kill 100% when brand new. Misusing it, ie. leaving it in past it's time, puts a much weaker concentration of fluvalinate in contact with the mites. This is what causes resistance. If you leave the strips in and your surviving hive goes and robs out another hive that is failing due to mites, they bring them home. Some of these mites will surley survive the old strips and reproduce. In all the news clips that I have seen about resistance Apistan was being used. I would be willing to bet that if you placed a maverick doused towel in the same hive that the sticky board would turn red. Then there is the safety/food issue. Tests have been run using gas chromatography on hives using the towels, spraying the inner covers, and Apistan, looking for 10 parts per billion in honey samples. Fluvalinate was not detected in any of the samples. So overall, yes, I am a strong advocate of using Apistan as per the label, because doing anything else with it is sure way to breed resistance. Using it as per the label slows down the net result. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:38:38 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8647qp$ja2$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3881CF44.625F3AD7@nospamvisi.net> <86050j$jra$1@gxsn.com> <38841762.79826075@news.inet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: p238.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 948282009 19778 159.134.232.238 (19 Jan 2000 11:40:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2000 11:40:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22797 Seppo Korpela wrote in message news:38841762.79826075@news.inet.fi... > "Christopher Dainton" wrote: > > The changes in HMF content and in contents of the enzymes invertase, > amylase and glucose oxidase were recorded. The heating at 40 deg. C > for 24 h caused neither decrease of enzyme content nor an inrease of > HMF content. Treatment with microwawes caused a slight increase in the > HMF content but almost a total loss of the enzymes." > Thank you, I think this really answers my question, I was looking for a quick way of dealing with the occasional pound (454g) jar, but if this means the loss of enzymes I am no longer interested. Ruary Rudd Article 22798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Gordon Hayes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> <3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: frame spacers Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <1%Qh4.13824$NU6.661243@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.202.242.229 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 948427837 208.202.242.229 (Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:10:37 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:10:37 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:10:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22798 Seems to me that 8 frame spacers would defeat the "bee space" of hive construction. -- Gordon Hayes New Harmony, Indiana, USA flashgh@evansville.net http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 "Charles Heatherly" wrote in message news:3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net... > From my point of view, the main advantage of 8 frame spacers over 9 > frame spacers > is less honey.......if that is what you want. > Charles Heatherly, Cary,NC > > coriolis wrote: > > > I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. > > > > I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. > > > > I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I > > see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks > > from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. > > > > thanks, > > mark > Article 22799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:51:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <868okh$a01$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> <868a7t$bma$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 21 04:51:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22799 > Lots of info at he the USDA's National Organic Program page: > http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/ > Best I can tell without spending all day looking, this site > was updated Oct, 1999. Does anyone know if the rules are > still "proposed" or has there actually been some movement > on them? Dunno, but there was a ton of discussion on this on BEE-L a year or so back. Generated more heat than a pile of rotting manure, but all sides eventually got well aired out. See the archives below... allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southwestern Ohio Bee School Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:05:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22800 You are invited to attend one of the largest and most educational beekeeping schools in the State of Ohio. The program is designed to be educational for anyone interested in honeybees, with programs for the beginning and experienced beekeeper. The school will be held on Saturday, March 11, 2000 at Cincinnati Princeton High School. Pre-registration is required and is due by March 3, 2000. The cost is $18.00 for adults, and $10.00 for youth 17 and under. You can view a list of topics to be covered and download a registration form at the following site: http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~warr/ag/bschool.htm Judy in Kentucky, USA for the Southwestern Ohio Beekeeper School Committee Article 22801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:24:04 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 47 Message-ID: <86a5bu$omf$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <9uvh4.11393$NU6.542170@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.79 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 948476094 25295 12.72.48.79 (21 Jan 2000 17:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2000 17:34:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22801 After a little more looking, it looks to me as though the National Organic Standard Board was recommending the USDA adopt a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" position on antibiotics. In other words, NO antibiotics are permitted in your production livestock. If you treat, then that animal must be removed from production (for how long?) or you risk losing your certification. However, failure to treat at the expense of the livestock's health can also result in a loss of certification. The NOSB also admittedly has not yet finalized recommendations specific to the honey bee but hoped to do so "in the next several months". Kind of appears that the NOSB is like Cerano DeB. speaking to the USDA from behind the garden wall telling them what to say. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Gordon Hayes" wrote in message news:fXQh4.13817$NU6.655751@tw12.nn.bcandid.com... > Thanks all for the info. As one responder said, I am praying for a lot of > wisdom and luck in trying to interpret what any government agency says. They > talk out of the side of their mouths a lot. According to what I read on one > site, Terramycin is not taboo in crop production operations. Do plants get > TM? > > I guess that one could always take the bees out of the vicinity before > adding the substances in question. > > -- > Gordon Hayes > New Harmony, Indiana, USA > > flashgh@evansville.net > http://www.evansville.net/~flashgh > http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?122477 > > > Article 22802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Enhancements for Beekeeping Presentation Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:28:39 GMT References: <4B4ECD5252D9595B.9343DF2E394E4148.63AA004E11BCF7CD@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000121132839.03575.00000817@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22802 >This year, we'd like to improve on our presentations, and possibly >consider traveling to local schools to give the presentation. We are >looking for sources for slides and/or photographs (at least 10x13) of >honeybees doing their various duties in life. Penn state has a wonderful slide set, not sure of the cost but Great for show. www.psu.edu/dept/beehive/mites.html Thats the address. Good Luck, oh btw, the pic's on the site print out beautiful as well, used a few at the fair last fall. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hAPPY 99.EXE IS HERE AGAIN Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:36:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000121133624.03575.00000821@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22803 FOLKS THIS IS A VIRUS THAT E MAILS ITSELF, PLEASE RUN YOUR CHECKER. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African Hives Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jan 2000 18:35:19 GMT References: <3886b754.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000121133519.03575.00000820@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22804 THIS IS A VIRUS THIS MESSAGE WAS A VIRUS>Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African Hives >From: mwthebee@mweb.co.za >Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 02:20 AM E YOU ARE INFECTED WITH HAPPY 99 FIX IT PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southwestern Ohio Bee School Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:56:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <86ah65$jv5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.41.8.194 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 21 20:56:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.41.8.194 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmichaelgranville Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22805 Newbie here: Are these things common across the U.S.? I have never heard of one before but it sounds like it would be great to attend. Does anybody know of any coming to SoCal anytime soon? Thanks, Mg In article <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net>, dublgully@fuse.net wrote: > You are invited to attend one of the largest and most educational > beekeeping schools in the State of Ohio. The program is designed to be > educational for anyone interested in honeybees, with programs for the > beginning and experienced beekeeper. > > The school will be held on Saturday, March 11, 2000 at Cincinnati > Princeton High School. Pre-registration is required and is due by March > > 3, 2000. The cost is $18.00 for adults, and $10.00 for youth 17 and > under. > > You can view a list of topics to be covered and download a registration > form at the following site: > > http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~warr/ag/bschool.htm > > Judy in Kentucky, USA > for the Southwestern Ohio Beekeeper School Committee > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You gotta check this out... Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jan 2000 22:53:21 GMT References: <3885582e.4845522@news.onvoy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000119175321.03566.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22806 Count me in put my name on the list and I will send you the $6.00 on Friday when I get paid!!! Article 22807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dennis O'Hara" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <386C0165.B739E579@netnitco.net> Subject: Re: Apistan Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:43:23 -0800 Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.156 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.156 Message-ID: <3886a290@news.compuvar.com> X-Trace: 19 Jan 2000 21:52:16 -0800, 204.244.138.156 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.156 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22807 Chad, from what everyone has told me the temperature is o.k. as long as you workswift and expect to loose a few bees that will not return to hive. Apparently, the strips should not stay in the hives any longer than 45-48 days as the mites get resistant to the fumigant. I was away last year and inadvertently left my strips in (had no one to take them out) and everything turned out o.k. Had good strong hives in the spring and no trouble. Howeve, it would be great if someone good enlighten us as to how critical it is to get those strips out of the hives right after the 45-48 day period. Chad Howell wrote in message news:386C0165.B739E579@netnitco.net... > I live in Northern Indiana and tomorrow is suppose to be in the high > 40's to low 50's. Can I open my hives to take out the Apistan strips I > put in around the beginning of November? > Article 22808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African Hives Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:49:55 +0200 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: rst-dial-196-2-26-156.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3886b756.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 20 Jan 2000 09:20:54 +0200, rst-dial-196-2-26-156.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!rst-dial-196-2-26-156.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22808 Bob Pursley wrote in message news:20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com... > In article <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com>, Karen & Kevin writes: > > > > >I have one hive that has gone Africanized. > > My experience last year was that all 7 splits killed the queen. Hi all I am a South African bee farmer with about 300 hives using the AFB. Working these bees dose take a bit more work as they can be very aggressive. Time of day and tempreture play a large role with thier temper. Knowing how hot and humid it gets in Texas I expect it must be rather fun. I find the best times to work the bees is early morning or early everning. I also bread my own queens and have little problem with introducing a new queen. The method I use is as follows: 1. Remove old queen. 2. Leave swarm queenless for 24 hours. 3. Introduce new queen in a queen cage closed with bee candy or a marshmellow (sufficent that it will take about 24 hour for them to free the queen.) By this time they should have become acostom to the new queen. I have a susses rate of over 90%. 4. Inspect the hive a week later and check if any queen cells were drawn out if so destroy them. I am also intrested to here from you all how AHB is handling veroa as it has reached South Africa and we are only starting to see it. Secondly I would be intrested to know what the production levels are like with the AHB in your wet climate. If I can help in any way please feel free to e-mail me direct. Regards Mark Hale Article 22809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000110183354.22520.00000821@ng-fu1.aol.com> <85e5bb$89c$2@news1.Radix.Net> <387BAD13.8E952489@crosslink.net> <85hlgi$ik9$1@news1.Radix.Net> <387C6DA2.D9C1526A@crosslink.net> <85jc1q$pba$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3882610E.1D94E37D@usol.com> <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948355232 nnrp-11:17522 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22809 In article <860585$o32$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs writes >shelley corbin wrote: > >>Maverick??? what is this maverick? i have not heard of this, where do i >>find info please???? > >>++++++++++++ >>There is a reason why the commercial guys buy Maverick - IT >>WORKS. It is cheap and they are able to keep their bees >>alive and very healthy while the hobbyists play with their >>apistan and replace 50+% of their bees each spring. > >>Greg the beekeep > > >Maverick is a solution of 22% fluvalinate. You cut it with >three parts water and soak paper towels in it. Wring them >out and place them on the top bars for the bees to chew out. I've left the whole article in on purpose. The reason we now have mites resistant to Apistan (and Bayvarol presumably) in Europe is precisely because beekeepers did what is recommended here. Italians started it and resistant mites soon showed up. They have got as far as Belgium. It is not recommended to attempt your own concentrations as you are not doing the research to find either reproducible conditions or minimum dosage. Apparently both too high and too low dosages lead to resistant mites. So, it is only a matter of time before your favourite chemical won't work. Hopefully we will have a better solution by then, preferably bees that bite mite's legs off and remove larvae with mites on them. -- James Kilty Article 22810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fermenting supers Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:55:55 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3887057d.1347002@news.ncweb.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22810 I have recently bought some used supers. The comb still has some honey in it that is now fermenting. My question is, can I feed this honey back to the bees in the spring? I am trying to keep the comb so the bees do not have to draw it out again. I have been told it is ok to let the bees rob the honey out of it, and I have been told to cut the comb out melt it down and start over again. Please let me know what the group thinks. Article 22811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southwestern Ohio Bee School Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:56:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <86ah68$jv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.41.8.194 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 21 20:56:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.41.8.194 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmichaelgranville Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22811 Newbie here: Are these things common across the U.S.? I have never heard of one before but it sounds like it would be great to attend. Does anybody know of any coming to SoCal anytime soon? Thanks, Mg In article <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net>, dublgully@fuse.net wrote: > You are invited to attend one of the largest and most educational > beekeeping schools in the State of Ohio. The program is designed to be > educational for anyone interested in honeybees, with programs for the > beginning and experienced beekeeper. > > The school will be held on Saturday, March 11, 2000 at Cincinnati > Princeton High School. Pre-registration is required and is due by March > > 3, 2000. The cost is $18.00 for adults, and $10.00 for youth 17 and > under. > > You can view a list of topics to be covered and download a registration > form at the following site: > > http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~warr/ag/bschool.htm > > Judy in Kentucky, USA > for the Southwestern Ohio Beekeeper School Committee > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:46:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <86ankq$oqo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 21 22:46:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22812 > jcore@aol.net (coriolis) wrote: > I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. > I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. > I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I > see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks > from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. > > thanks, > mark ******************************************* Howdy Mark -- The only reason I find to use 9 frames is to make thick frames of honey for easy uncapping. To get the bees to draw good combs of 9 from foundation is to put them on during a HEAVY honey flow. Drawn comb can be used and spaced for 9 with no problem.I find no advantage of 8 over 9. In the brood area, anything less than 10 frame spacing tends to disrupt the bee space concept. You might check the posts and consider 9 frames with two follower boards of some type. This calls for another piece of equipment, but does have some advantage. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fermenting supers Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jan 2000 23:10:41 GMT References: <38870A87.942244A5@nospamvisi.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000121181041.03681.00001083@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22813 We recently had a frame brought into our local beekeepers meeting that had fermented and was real sad shape. the experience beekeepers suggested the following 1) freexe that frames in a freezer for 4-5 days to kill any larve or spores on the frames this too will stop the fermenting. 2) set the frames inside the beehive when it is warm enought for the bees to work the honey. too cool and they wont spend the time working the honey too warm it may cause the honey to ferment again. Richard Flanagn I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 22814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38892141.B789A8A1@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fermenting supers References: <3887057d.1347002@news.ncweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:17:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 948510697 24.92.236.148 (Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:11:37 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:11:37 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22814 You could set a couple supers of the old honey beneath the brood chambers of a strong hive, in the Spring. Provided the bees were flying regularly and collecting pollen, brood rearing would be underway and the old honey would be recycled, providing fuel for the Spring buildup. The supers would be gradually emptied of the old honey over a few weeks. I have done this often, and with excellent results, but would _only_ recommend it if there were NO reason to suspect foulbrood in the used equipment (no AFB scales on the bottoms of any open cells, no suspicious cappings, no previous history of foulbrood, etc.). Terramycin is administered according to mfr. directions during the time when the bees are working over the old honey. Ideally they should use up the majority of the old honey and not store it, so any Spring syrup-feeding is dispensed with in the interim. Lightly scratching over the old cappings with a fork beforehand will give better results. The bees will clean out the old honey much more readily if a lot of the cappings are ruptured -- but don't overdo it to the point that cell walls are damaged and the honey leaks. Even if it has begun to ferment and smells "off," the bees will make use of such honey, especially in the Spring when their populations are expanding rapidly. It works out well -- the combs are emptied and cleaned up for reuse, and their contents are not wasted. Meanwhile any need for Spring feeding is automatically taken care of, in those colonies. ime/imo J. return addr. ---> jwgbee@hotmail.com (not addr. in header) "Patrick M. Hennessey" wrote: > I have recently bought some used supers. The comb still has some > honey in it that is now fermenting. My question is, can I feed this > honey back to the bees in the spring? I am trying to keep the comb so > the bees do not have to draw it out again. I have been told it is ok > to let the bees rob the honey out of it, and I have been told to cut > the comb out melt it down and start over again. Please let me know > what the group thinks. Article 22815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> <3886b756.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: SV: Varroa on African bees Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.174.151 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 948517078 212.151.174.151 (Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:57:58 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:57:58 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-174-151.swipnet.se Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:23:52 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22815 Hello Mark, > I am a South African bee farmer with about 300 hives using the AFB. > (...) > I am also intrested to here from you all how AHB is handling veroa as it has > reached South Africa and we are only starting to see it. 1. I'd like to know what you mean by AFB and AHB in your text. "Africanized bees" as far as I know is not the same as "African bees". Could you sort things out for me, please? 2. About varroa mite - according to a posting from Jorn Johannesen in s.a.b. there are at least 5-6 different sorts of varroa in the world and the bees can handle them differently well. So it depends on which sort of mite you've got over there - not only the bees... I've heard that africanized bees in South America can handle varroa without human help. I guess (if you find varroa on your bees) you should try to let a couple of hives handle the problem by their own, while you treat the others. Doris Article 22816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> <3886b756.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Subject: Re: Varroa on African bees Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:41:44 +0200 Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: rst-dial-196-2-26-153.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <38895f28.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 22 Jan 2000 09:41:28 +0200, rst-dial-196-2-26-153.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!rst-dial-196-2-26-153.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22816 Sorry I think the problem is my typing and spelling skills. I was refering to the Africanised honey bee, it should have read AHB. Regards Mark STIG HANSSON wrote in message news:qNai4.4989$Q4.11866@nntpserver.swip.net... > Hello Mark, > > > I am a South African bee farmer with about 300 hives using the AFB. > > (...) > > I am also intrested to here from you all how AHB is handling veroa as it > has > > reached South Africa and we are only starting to see it. > > 1. I'd like to know what you mean by AFB and AHB in your text. > "Africanized bees" as far as I know is not the same as "African bees". > Could you sort things out for me, please? > > 2. About varroa mite - according to a posting from Jorn Johannesen in s.a.b. > there are at least 5-6 different sorts of varroa in the world and the bees > can > handle them differently well. So it depends on which sort of mite you've got > over there - not only the bees... > I've heard that africanized bees in South America can handle varroa without > human help. I guess (if you find varroa on your bees) you should try to let > a > couple of hives handle the problem by their own, while you treat the others. > > Doris > > Article 22817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Dharmadeva" From: "Dharmadeva" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Vibrational Agriculture Lines: 27 Organization: PROUTist Universal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <8vji4.8502$3b6.38943@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: slcan51p55.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 948552772 203.108.176.119 (Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:52:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:52:52 EST Distribution: world Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:53:17 +1100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:9798 alt.agriculture.misc:11650 alt.agriculture.technology:484 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23157 sci.agriculture:39899 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22817 sci.agriculture.fruit:3325 Please check out the March 2000 issue of Yoga International. An article called "Field of Dreams: Can we increase the vital energy in our food by increasing the vital energy in the soil?" is about vibrational agriculture. Satyaki (Steve Diver) from Arkansas is the main source quoted! For those of you who can't easily get your hands on a copy, the author writes, ". . . horticulturist Steve Diver is an authority on the topic of vibrational agriculture. He is also a member of the Ananda Marga Yoga Society, founded by P.R. Sarkar in India. The society supports a program of rural revitalization, one component of which is Ideal Farming, a system that integrates both spiritual and agronomic practices to strengthen the life-force of the farm." -- 'The main characteristic of PROUT-based socioeconomic movements is that they aim to guarantee the comprehensive, multifarious liberation of humanity.' P R Sarkar PROUT - PROgressive Utilisation Theory http://www.prout.org http://www.globaltimes.net New Renaissance: A Journal for Social and Spiritual Awakening: http://www.ru,org Article 22818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3889D18C.5AEC8F33@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:50:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 948555826 24.92.236.148 (Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:43:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:43:46 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22818 8 frame spacing in extracting supers makes for much easier uncapping, and yields a larger crop of light beeswax. Occasionally there is more burr-comb, but for me it has never been frequent, and certainly not a problem in any case, as it just ends up being sliced off and added in with the cappings. 8 or 9 frame spacing in the honey supers does not violate the bee-space principle, because the honey-combs are drawn out thicker, with deeper cells. The bee-space between comb surfaces is retained. In nature, honey storage combs are often spaced wider than brood combs. 8 fr. spacing also gives the bees increased opportunity to use the abundance of wax which is naturally produced anyway, during a nectar flow. 9 frame spacing in my experience does not allow for such rapid uncapping (compared to 8) and there is too much time wasted in having to scratch open sunken or flush areas of comb. The yield of honey from 9 frames is not likely to be much more than from 8, because with the latter the combs have more volume. Preferences vary, but I'd never go back to 9 after having had the benefits of using the wider spacing. Try it both ways, I guess, and see which you prefer. You don't need the permanent frame spacers in the supers, and besides, they tend to be in the way & get clogged with propolis anyway. It only takes a few seconds to evenly space the frames across the box, by hand. The bees cement the frames down quickly, & then they are fixed in position. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- direct replies: jwgbee@hotmail.com coriolis wrote: > I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. > > I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. > > I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I > see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks > from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. > > thanks, > mark Article 22819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Tom Stone Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Vibrational Agriculture Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:53:35 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3889EE9F.41F9DE9A@cyclewise.com> References: <8vji4.8502$3b6.38943@ozemail.com.au> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:9800 alt.agriculture.misc:11651 alt.agriculture.technology:485 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23158 sci.agriculture:39907 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22819 sci.agriculture.fruit:3326 I am afraid to ask. . . but what is vibrational agriculture. The name conjures up numerous images. Dharmadeva wrote: > Please check out the March 2000 issue of Yoga International. An article > called "Field of Dreams: Can we increase the vital energy in our food by > increasing the vital energy in the soil?" is about vibrational agriculture. > Satyaki (Steve Diver) from Arkansas is the main source quoted! For those of > you who can't easily get your hands on a copy, the author writes, ". . . > horticulturist Steve Diver is an authority on the topic of vibrational > agriculture. He is also a member of the Ananda Marga Yoga Society, founded > by P.R. Sarkar in India. The society supports a program of rural > revitalization, one component of which is Ideal Farming, a system that > integrates both spiritual and agronomic practices to strengthen the > life-force of the farm." > > -- > 'The main characteristic of PROUT-based socioeconomic movements > is that they aim to guarantee the comprehensive, multifarious > liberation of humanity.' P R Sarkar > > PROUT - PROgressive Utilisation Theory http://www.prout.org > http://www.globaltimes.net > New Renaissance: A Journal for Social and Spiritual Awakening: > http://www.ru,org Article 22820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3889E20A.C642FBFC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> <3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:01:01 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 948560052 24.92.236.148 (Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:54:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:54:12 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22820 Charles Heatherly wrote: > From my point of view, the main advantage of 8 frame spacers over 9 > frame spacers > is less honey.......if that is what you want. > Charles Heatherly, Cary,NC How do you figure? With 8 combs, each comb is wider. Each one holds a greater volume of honey, there are fewer gaps (empty space) between combs in the super, and fewer comb midribs. Seems a set of 8 frames well-filled with honey would hold more, not less, than 9. Unless I'm mistaken here. (Maybe someone has made comparisons to check this out?) Or at least it would be a similar amount. With 8's, there is less handling involved during extracting, which can be a real advantage if you have a lot of supers to go through. Article 22821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@metalab.unc.edu (Adam J. Finkelstein) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Vibrational Agriculture Date: 22 Jan 2000 18:09:09 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <86ddal$rtg@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <8vji4.8502$3b6.38943@ozemail.com.au> <3889EE9F.41F9DE9A@cyclewise.com> Reply-To: adamf@metalab.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu X-Trace: news2.isis.unc.edu 948582550 6154 152.2.22.14 (22 Jan 2000 23:09:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news2.isis.unc.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2000 23:09:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:9802 alt.agriculture.misc:11652 alt.agriculture.technology:486 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23159 sci.agriculture:39915 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22821 sci.agriculture.fruit:3327 In article <3889EE9F.41F9DE9A@cyclewise.com>, Tom Stone wrote: >I am afraid to ask. . . but what is vibrational agriculture. The name conjures >up numerous images. Oh yeah. Vibrate the heck out of your hives and they'll attain a higher level of spiritual enlightenment--thus producing more for poor schmucks like us beekeepers. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@metalab.unc.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees Article 22822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38884FBF.624D691D@together.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:23:27 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-235-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 21 Jan 2000 07:24:11 -0500, dial-235-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 25 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-235-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22822 Don't waste your money on frame spacers. They are a real pain-especially on your knuckles when you try to scrape the rabbits in the future. If you really can't space the frames by hand, there is a nice tool sold by Maxant Industries in Ayer, Massachusetts. It is a 9 frame spacer. Looks like a comb. Push points between frames, and they move to the proper spacing. Handy and quick if you have many supers to put on. Unecessary if you have only a few. 8 frame spacing can be more trouble than helpful. In a weak flow, or with any size frames other than shallow, lots of brace comb will be built between the combs. Mike coriolis wrote: > I'm going to begin my second year with my two hives. > > I have a simple question concerning frame spacers. > > I see there are many advantages of using 9 frame spacers, but now I > see that the 8 frame spacers are available. Are there any drawbacks > from getting 8 frame spacers versus 9 frame spacers. > > thanks, > mark Article 22823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid gel for treating varroa Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 23 Jan 2000 02:37:03 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000122213703.03690.00000649@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22823 >'ve left the whole article in on purpose. The reason we now have mites >resistant to Apistan (and Bayvarol presumably) in Europe is precisely >because beekeepers did what is recommended here. Italians started it and >resistant mites soon showed up. They have got as far as Belgium. It is >not recommended to attempt your own concentrations as you are not doing >the research to find either reproducible conditions or minimum dosage. >Apparently both too high and too low dosages lead to resistant mites. >So, it is only a matter of time before your favourite chemical won't >work. Hopefully we will have a better solution by then, preferably bees >that bite mite's legs off and remove larvae with mites on them. >-- >James Kilty > Well James, down here we have resistant mites because a commercial "beekeeper" didn't want to spend the money and left his apistan strips in his hives for three years...never removing them. Then he brags about how effective it was, but he can't understand why it doesn't work anymore. Bottomline.. no matter what you do someone somewhere will mess it up. Fluvalinate in itself is not the answer...never was. We have to have at least three miticides to rotate if we are ever going to get 100% kill. Either that or some picky bees. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 22824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <388AFFD3.98A15F25@together.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:19:15 -0500 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickory References: <85bcjk$fnj$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <20000122174652.02598.00002112@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9AA726205755C7843EF1C5A4" NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-189-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 23 Jan 2000 08:20:35 -0500, dial-189-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 34 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-189-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22824 --------------9AA726205755C7843EF1C5A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Vermont, bees harvest pollen from chickory. The pollen is white. When working chickory, the bees get a tell tale white stripe on the dorsal side of their thorax. Mike Dave Green wrote: > In my experience, bees rarely visit wild chickory. > > --------------9AA726205755C7843EF1C5A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Vermont, bees harvest pollen from chickory. The pollen is white. When working chickory, the bees get a tell tale white stripe on the dorsal side of their thorax. Mike

Dave Green wrote:

In my experience, bees rarely visit wild chickory.

 

  --------------9AA726205755C7843EF1C5A4-- Article 22825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:44:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <388B05C8.79971E29@kingston.net> References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> <3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net> <3889E20A.C642FBFC@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22825 Hi all, I tried 9 frames in half of my supers last summer. I harvested the same weight as a super with 10. As Joel said, the bees do draw the comb out further. The problem I had was getting them back evenly and when they didn't line up with the frames below they seem to build more burr comb. I haven't tried eight. Uncapping was easier. I'm going to make a hand held spacer so I can position the frames easier. The ability to uncap 8 or nine frames instead of ten and retrieve an equal amount of honey will make me try again this year. I'm hesitant to try the spacers you put in the super. I would think the bees would fill it with propolis and make removing or replacing frames difficult? Kent Stienburg Ontario Canada Article 22826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hAPPY 99.EXE IS HERE AGAIN Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:24:43 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 24 Message-ID: <86fh54$jf9$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <20000121133624.03575.00000821@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.108 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 948652004 19945 12.72.49.108 (23 Jan 2000 18:26:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2000 18:26:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22826 I didn't get it nor was it attached to the original post. I was under the impression that happy99.exe had to be sent as an attachment and opened in order to be infected. At any rate, a scan showed nothing here. Maybe it was unique only to AOHell. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "STIG HANSSON" wrote in message news:wUAi4.5663$Q4.13158@nntpserver.swip.net... > Hi Kevin, > has everyone who's read that message got the virus? > I've checked my computer with Inoculate IT, but no sign > of anything. HOW does it infect? HOW does it e-mail itself? > Doris > > Article 22827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: hAPPY 99.EXE IS HERE AGAIN Message-ID: References: <20000121133624.03575.00000821@ng-ca1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 948653253 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:47:33 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:47:33 MST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:47:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22827 The user has to run the happy virus before it can install itself. If you just double delete it without running it you'll be ok. If you made the mistake of running it, as I did one time when I downloaded a copy from a naked women file newsgroup, you will see a little window open with fireworks going off in it. There are several sites showing how to get rid of it. It is tricky to get rid of it without instructions because it changes the filename where it sticks itself into a different, more important file name. In article , stig.hansson@i.lrf.se says... > Hi Kevin, > has everyone who's read that message got the virus? > I've checked my computer with Inoculate IT, but no sign > of anything. HOW does it infect? HOW does it e-mail itself? > Doris > > > Article 22828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Deadouts Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jan 2000 21:43:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000123164331.03561.00000970@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22828 So far here in the Northeast cold snap I have only one hive of 34 that looks to be a deadout from T mites. I hate to lose any but with all the funky weather one ain't so bad. How is it looking around your hives? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 22829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <388B7753.405D@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:49:07 -0600 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Varroa on African bees References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> <3886b756.0@news1.mweb.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.198.233 X-Trace: 23 Jan 2000 16:00:12 -0600, 209.163.198.233 Lines: 7 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.198.233 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22829 Africanized bees have very tidy grooming habits, and so varroa although it exists in the hives, doesn't seem to bother them, nor diminish their activities. If they were only easier to work in this climate (central Texas). I've got an Africanized hive that I've just about decided to destroy all together as they are almost impossible to work without the proper information, and nobody seems interested in publishing information for beekeepers with this problem. Article 22830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Neoklis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Low-maintenance honeycombs? Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:50:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <86gp6h$png$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.14.131.39 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 24 05:50:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.14.131.39 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDneoklis Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22830 Hi! I am currently using wax honeycomb templates in my honeycomb frames, but these are difficult to fit in used frames, as these need detail cleaning of old wax. Is there any low-maintenance (permanent, perhaps plastic) bases which can be used in frames? Thanks in advance! -- Regards Neoklis My (ex-Acorn) RiscOS Homepage: http://www.arcsite.de/hp/neoklis Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news4.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Varroa on African bees Message-ID: <388c7bd2.933982718@news.usenetserver.com> References: <20000124105354.06256.00000037@ng-fi1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 13 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:18:22 EST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:21:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22831 I have also heard the theory that the drone capped period is shorted .. thus fewer mites mature but believe that hiegenic behavior is probably a better theory Dave On 24 Jan 2000 15:53:54 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > It's been theorized in at least one of the Internet beekeeping groups that >Africanized bees have lower infestation of varroa because they swarm and >abscond so frequently, thereby breaking the broood cycle, and the lifecycle of >the varroa with it. Article 22832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: BEE143@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:44:09 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <2260-388C8159-20@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwud2ZpFV4G461jnq1CQQycK01uoCFFTGSARnGhVR3OZumhDWmmUkpRBE Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22832 Why is the bees eating more honey during times when it warms-up during the winter than when it is real cold. Thanks for any advice Rodney Article 22833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <388CA6D1.6938272C@nospamvisi.net> From: Thom Bradley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 39 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:25:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp31.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:25:30 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22833 Kevin, I see you are in Troutville. If I remember correctly that is not far from Roanoke. The best bet is to get ahold of the strong bee organizations in your area. Get to the Va Tech honeybee sites by following this link. http://groups.hamptonroads.com/beekeepers Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA remove the "nospam" to reply Shearer Family wrote: > > Friends: > > As a rookie hoping to start my first year of beekeeping this year (2000) I > have many questions. > > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > 1. What are pros / cons of buying bees ? (versus attempting to capture a > swarm) > > 2. What is difference between Itialian / Carolian / Buckfast ? (Or any > others ?) > > 3. Are there any precautions / procedures or practices I should observe > in setting up my first hive in prepartion for reciept of bees ? > > 4. What are considerations for hive locations ? > > 5. How do I locate reputable bee suppliers ? > > 6. Any suggestions on log / record keeping ? > > 7. Any good software I should look into ? > > 8. Which magazines / publications are good for a rookie ? > > 9. Any suggestions on how to help my children (ages 5 - 11) to better > participate, understand and enjoy. > > 10. Any other suggestions or ideas to help me enjoy this awesome > activity. > > Thanks in advance. > > Kev 01/23/2000 20:35 > > Kevin Shearer > > kevmarie@roanoke.infi.net > Troutville, VA 24175 > 37° 21' 32" N > 79° 50' 45" W Article 22834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickory Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jan 2000 22:46:52 GMT References: <85bcjk$fnj$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000122174652.02598.00002112@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22834 >Does anyone know if chickory will make good honey, Ihave at least 75 acres >of it growing down the road, and wondering if i should move the hive In my experience, bees rarely visit wild chickory. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000121133624.03575.00000821@ng-ca1.aol.com> Subject: SV: hAPPY 99.EXE IS HERE AGAIN Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.186.246 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 948624028 212.151.186.246 (Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:40:28 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:40:28 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-186-246.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:42:01 +0100 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22835 Hi Kevin, has everyone who's read that message got the virus? I've checked my computer with Inoculate IT, but no sign of anything. HOW does it infect? HOW does it e-mail itself? Doris Article 22836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Varroa on African bees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:29:27 GMT References: <20000124105354.06256.00000037@ng-fi1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000124132927.05636.00000067@nso-fv.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22836 In article <20000124105354.06256.00000037@ng-fi1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) writes: >e varroa with it. > However, I've also read — I believe in Roger Morse's book on beekeeping — >that >Africanized bees are considered superior honey producers in some parts of >South >America and preferred to the Europeans. There is a difference between South/Central American and Texas. It is common to have honey stolen from hives in the Southern Americas, I have been told (by a missionary friend). If this is common, then of course the AHB would be a superior honey producer, as it guards the honey for you, no fee, and few would-be thieves would venture to steal the crop. :) Article 22837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:14:28 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <24102-388CB2A4-5@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQucBd7ohMx7LR7QUIZUGI+0ElZwwIUPwA7Q4D8dxNM0TPJe5rEPrpJK84= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22837 As has been suggested, read as many books as you are willing to. I started last year by reading "Honey Bees & Beekeeping A Year In The Life Of An Apiary". There is an excellent 2 tape video that is also a part of this, which I would also recommend for both you and your kids. I also purchased one of the "bee bibles", "The Hive & The Honeybee". Yesterday my oldest boy got a new hive for his 8th birthday. Last night we nailed together frames and placed the foundation in. My 5 y/o also helped nailing once the nails were set. Last weekend my oldest observed winter inspections of our 4 hives-wearing his new hat and veil. My point is there are numerous things you can do to get your kids involved. As for software, there may be some. I have not really researched any too much. I use a PC all day long at work so this is an outlet for me like fishing, gardening or pottery which lets me get back in touch with the earth. A main part of the thrill of beekeeping is learning how to manage my hives in a more traditional fashion without the use of high tech tools. Although I realize that there are high tech tools that I do rely upon such as this method of communication and medicines which I use to keep my bees healthy. Anyway, good luck. It is a rewarding endeavor. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 22838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: dave Subject: Re: Agreement Forms.. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <022eeae0.d576df7a@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 252 X-Originating-Host: 12.10.126.130 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8574qn$7fk$1@news1.Radix.Net> <20000108155016.01018.00001144@ng-fi1.aol.com> <858q6k$a2$6@news1.Radix.Net> X-Wren-Trace: eGhNZWR9OnA7LH12aDtJYnt/aCNifi8+PDYpOjEyIHoxIHk6Ng== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:15:14 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.28 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 948748411 10.0.2.28 (Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:13:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:13:31 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22838 You guys are the greatest - Thanks for all the pertinent and up to date information....... Dave * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 22839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <388CCE16.1B19@ktc.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:11:34 -0600 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.198.184 X-Trace: 24 Jan 2000 16:22:39 -0600, 209.163.198.184 Lines: 5 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.198.184 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22839 After purchasing just about every book on the subject, I'd have to say that the easiest book for the beginer is Keeping Bees, by John Vivian, Williamson Publishing ISBN: 0-413589-19-5. You should probably start here if you're a total novice. He just explains things in ways that are easy to understand for those without entomology degrees. Good Luck! Article 22840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.netcrusader.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:49:02 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <86ih75$b9$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <86a5bu$omf$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <20000124110920.06256.00000044@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.101 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 948750373 361 12.72.40.101 (24 Jan 2000 21:46:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:46:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22840 No more than a dairy cow would be considered removed from production if it received antibiotics a week before being milked. The issue is not whether or not the product has been subjected to antibiotics, but the livestock. Just because the honey won't be produced for several months, the use of TM in the fall would seem inconsistent with "organic" production. The "producer" has been treated and I don't think you can attest that the material won't travel throughout the hive and yes even to the supers at a later time. But again, recommendations for honey bees are forthcoming and apparently have not yet been finalized. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000124110920.06256.00000044@ng-fi1.aol.com... > < long?) or you risk losing your > certification.>> > > If the honey supers are not on, then the bees are "removed from production," > are they not? Article 22841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:51:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22841 honeybs wrote in message <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net>... >"Shearer Family" wrote: > >>Friends: > >>As a rookie hoping to start my first year of beekeeping this year (2000) I >>have many questions. > >>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >>1. What are pros / cons of buying bees ? (versus attempting to capture a >>swarm) > >>2. What is difference between Itialian / Carolian / Buckfast ? (Or any >>others ?) > >>3. Are there any precautions / procedures or practices I should observe >>in setting up my first hive in prepartion for reciept of bees ? > >>4. What are considerations for hive locations ? > >>5. How do I locate reputable bee suppliers ? > >>6. Any suggestions on log / record keeping ? > >>7. Any good software I should look into ? > >>8. Which magazines / publications are good for a rookie ? > >>9. Any suggestions on how to help my children (ages 5 - 11) to better >>participate, understand and enjoy. > >>10. Any other suggestions or ideas to help me enjoy this awesome >>activity. > >>Thanks in advance. > >>Kev 01/23/2000 20:35 > >>Kevin Shearer > >>kevmarie@roanoke.infi.net >>Troutville, VA 24175 >>37° 21' 32" N >>79° 50' 45" W > >I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet that >there is a big building in your town full of books and video >tapes called a library. That would be a good place to start >as most of your questions will be answered with a "little" >effort on your part. To expect someone to write a book here >is a little ridiculous. > >Greg the beekeep > I would have to agree that there are alot of books out there that would answer all these questions. But the one thing I've learned from reading alot of beekeeping books this first year is that they all say to ask fellow beekeepers what they do as they are the best sources of information. I'm not sure if it was your intention to sound rude but a reply like this may discourage new and novice people from asking questions. After all isn't that why we all come to this group to ask and answer questions? Maybe someone should start a group called alt.sci.pro-beekeeping? where all the experts could go to feel superior. Dave > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > Article 22842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:25:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <86it6c$k5s$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22842 "Jenn C" wrote: >>I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet that >>there is a big building in your town full of books and video >>tapes called a library. That would be a good place to start >>as most of your questions will be answered with a "little" >>effort on your part. To expect someone to write a book here >>is a little ridiculous. >> >>Greg the beekeep >> >I would have to agree that there are alot of books out there that would >answer all these questions. But the one thing I've learned from reading alot >of beekeeping books this first year is that they all say to ask fellow >beekeepers what they do as they are the best sources of information. I'm >not sure if it was your intention to sound rude but a reply like this may >discourage new and novice people from asking questions. After all isn't >that why we all come to this group to ask and answer questions? Maybe >someone should start a group called alt.sci.pro-beekeeping? where all the >experts could go to feel superior. >Dave It would have been a little different if he had said I have been reading here for awhile or I have read, etc., but no indication was made to have suggested any other effort on his part. The internet is a good source for information especially the latest breaking stuff and I don't have a problem with helping. On the other hand a person that doesn't have the energy to go to the library ain't gonna have it to keep bees. After all you have to be able to read the label. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jan 2000 04:06:30 GMT References: <86ih75$b9$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000124230630.05537.00000203@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22843 << Just because the honey won't be produced for several months, the use of TM in the fall would seem inconsistent with "organic" production. >> I understand the issue, the intent and the gist of the organic standards and the proposals as you presented them. I'm just trying to examine loopholes and how tricky it will be to try to apply such standards to honey bees. Your parenthetical from the earlier post — "If you treat, then that animal must be removed from production (for how long?) or you risk losing your certification" — raised the possibility that beekeepers who may only have supers on 4 months of the year could treat in late August and still retain their certification. But then how will such standards be upheld? Will beekeepers go before a board which has broad powers to determine what "seems inconsistent" with a nebulous set of organic standards? Or will the letter of the standards, like the letter of the law, be what is applicable, with expectations and limitations spelled out in detail? Article 22844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:35:09 GMT References: <2260-388C8159-20@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000124133509.10353.00000002@nso-fb.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22844 In article <2260-388C8159-20@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, BEE143@webtv.net writes: > >Why is the bees eating more honey during >times when it warms-up during the winter than when it is real cold. > Thanks for any advice > Rodney > > > > Rodney: As the day length starts to increase, the queen starts to lay. Raising brood takes up a lot of energy, and uses stores (honey and pollen) rapidly. Article 22845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!easynet-uk!easynet.net!iol.ie!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Same Yard Splits Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQYaSy4zlzCs80OKNajJ69OBkxm+QIVAMyu1j5EBsbYmzzoKXCYBQ6u1dfX Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22845 I plan on splitting hives this spring but I do not have another yard over two miles away to prevent drifting? Are there any others who have this same situation? Are there any distances where this can be aleviated? I have 12+ acres to work with. TIA for any suggestions. To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 22846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Making Splits... >>>LISTOWNER ALERT<<< Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:13:23 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <388B9923.5E7E248@azstarnet.com> References: <3886b754.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20000121133519.03575.00000820@ng-ca1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22846 What data do you have to reach this conclusion ?? Please post reply immediately. - John Edwards, Tucson Hk1BeeMan wrote: > THIS IS A VIRUS > THIS MESSAGE WAS A VIRUS>Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African > Hives > >From: mwthebee@mweb.co.za > >Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 02:20 AM E > > YOU ARE INFECTED WITH HAPPY 99 > FIX IT PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!! > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Varroa on African bees Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:28:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <38863B98.2D45@ktc.com> <20000119193905.02606.00000123@nso-ce.aol.com> <3886b756.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <388B7753.405D@ktc.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22847 Not to advertise for another group but the long dead hobbies beekeeping group is coming alive and has several african beekeepers maybe they would have some ideas? Dave Karen & Kevin wrote in message <388B7753.405D@ktc.com>... >Africanized bees have very tidy grooming habits, and so varroa although >it exists in the hives, doesn't seem to bother them, nor diminish their >activities. If they were only easier to work in this climate (central >Texas). I've got an Africanized hive that I've just about decided to >destroy all together as they are almost impossible to work without the >proper information, and nobody seems interested in publishing >information for beekeepers with this problem. Article 22848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: !! ARE YOU A YOUNG, TEEN MODEL? NO SPAM !! 91877 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 01:01:39 GMT References: <23010013.3133@nntp.8m.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000123200139.26200.00000234@nso-ci.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22848 In article <23010013.3133@nntp.8m.com>, alt.make.money.fast@nntp.8m.com writes: > >I am looking for young models (prefer early teen 14-16 year old female) for >nude and semi-nude photography. This is a great way for me to update my >portfolio, and also a great way for you to get a free portfolio, too! This >could lead to employment in the Adult XXX entertainment business. What a >great way to make money! > Somebody sic the feds on this guy. Quickly. Article 22849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: "Shearer Family" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NewBee Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:40:13 -0500 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 45 Message-ID: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> Reply-To: "Shearer Family" NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-201.roanoke.infi.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22849 Friends: As a rookie hoping to start my first year of beekeeping this year (2000) I have many questions. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 1. What are pros / cons of buying bees ? (versus attempting to capture a swarm) 2. What is difference between Itialian / Carolian / Buckfast ? (Or any others ?) 3. Are there any precautions / procedures or practices I should observe in setting up my first hive in prepartion for reciept of bees ? 4. What are considerations for hive locations ? 5. How do I locate reputable bee suppliers ? 6. Any suggestions on log / record keeping ? 7. Any good software I should look into ? 8. Which magazines / publications are good for a rookie ? 9. Any suggestions on how to help my children (ages 5 - 11) to better participate, understand and enjoy. 10. Any other suggestions or ideas to help me enjoy this awesome activity. Thanks in advance. Kev 01/23/2000 20:35 Kevin Shearer kevmarie@roanoke.infi.net Troutville, VA 24175 37° 21' 32" N 79° 50' 45" W Article 22850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3886b754.0@news1.mweb.co.za> <20000121133519.03575.00000820@ng-ca1.aol.com> <388B9923.5E7E248@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: Making Splits... >>>LISTOWNER ALERT<<< Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:22:56 +0200 Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: rst-dial-196-2-26-192.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <388bfea0.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 24 Jan 2000 09:26:24 +0200, rst-dial-196-2-26-192.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!rst-dial-196-2-26-192.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22850 Hi. I was the inital culprit for this virus on this news group. I recived an e-mail from a bee farmer from this group. I am not to good with the computer yet , but was guided through how to eliminate this virus by some one in the "Know". I apologise for any problems I have caused and hope this will not put a black mark against my name with this news group. I found the solution on http://www.getvirushelp.com/ Regards Mark Hale South Africa John Edwards wrote in message news:388B9923.5E7E248@azstarnet.com... > What data do you have to reach this conclusion ?? Please post reply > immediately. > - John Edwards, Tucson > > Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > THIS IS A VIRUS > > THIS MESSAGE WAS A VIRUS>Subject: Re: Making European splits off of African > > Hives > > >From: mwthebee@mweb.co.za > > >Date: Thu, 20 January 2000 02:20 AM E > > > > YOU ARE INFECTED WITH HAPPY 99 > > FIX IT PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 22851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frame spacers Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:55:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3889b4c6.46935294@news.ntplx.net> <3887D2D8.D2C6B24E@bellsouth.net> <1%Qh4.13824$NU6.661243@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948702318 nnrp-09:1768 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22851 In article <1%Qh4.13824$NU6.661243@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, Gordon Hayes writes >Seems to me that 8 frame spacers would defeat the "bee space" of hive >construction. One thing that seems to be overlooked in the texts about frame spacing is that different races and strains of bees need different spaces. Where 1 1/2" was the choice, the bee of the chosen race was larger, I suggest. Where 1 3/8" was selected it was because it was slightly smaller. The same applies to cell size and the standard for foundation. In my humble opinion the standard is too small for our native bee here in the UK. A good exercise for students in a course is to measure the natural spacing of comb from a wild colony under a flat roof and to measure the cell size of the wild comb. The variation within the colony and between colonies is illuminating. So, it depends on your bees (for the brood chamber) and on how flat your foundation is in the frame when they start drawing it. Supers seem to be able to manage 2 or more inches. In setting the spacing wider, there should be more honey per super (less air space in the box) and slightly more honey and slightly less wax from their work converting nectar to both. The only problem I find in having supers with different spacing is the comb that is drawn *upwards* between frames from the lower super into the higher one. -- James Kilty Article 22852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:52:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 63 Message-ID: <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22852 "Shearer Family" wrote: >Friends: >As a rookie hoping to start my first year of beekeeping this year (2000) I >have many questions. >Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. >1. What are pros / cons of buying bees ? (versus attempting to capture a >swarm) >2. What is difference between Itialian / Carolian / Buckfast ? (Or any >others ?) >3. Are there any precautions / procedures or practices I should observe >in setting up my first hive in prepartion for reciept of bees ? >4. What are considerations for hive locations ? >5. How do I locate reputable bee suppliers ? >6. Any suggestions on log / record keeping ? >7. Any good software I should look into ? >8. Which magazines / publications are good for a rookie ? >9. Any suggestions on how to help my children (ages 5 - 11) to better >participate, understand and enjoy. >10. Any other suggestions or ideas to help me enjoy this awesome >activity. >Thanks in advance. >Kev 01/23/2000 20:35 >Kevin Shearer >kevmarie@roanoke.infi.net >Troutville, VA 24175 >37° 21' 32" N >79° 50' 45" W I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet that there is a big building in your town full of books and video tapes called a library. That would be a good place to start as most of your questions will be answered with a "little" effort on your part. To expect someone to write a book here is a little ridiculous. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SV: Varroa on African bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:53:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20000124105354.06256.00000037@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22853 It's been theorized in at least one of the Internet beekeeping groups that Africanized bees have lower infestation of varroa because they swarm and abscond so frequently, thereby breaking the broood cycle, and the lifecycle of the varroa with it. However, I've also read — I believe in Roger Morse's book on beekeeping — that Africanized bees are considered superior honey producers in some parts of South America and preferred to the Europeans. In these same regions beekeepers don't treat for varroa, so it can't be just the swarming and absconding that is thwarting the varroa if the beekeepers are managing these hives long enough to harvest honey. Article 22854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 16:04:07 GMT References: <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000124110407.06256.00000039@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22854 A lesson learned from my first year: Be certain you build very solid hivestands. It may be the last thing you think about, but it can have a big effect. The stands for my first two hives were bulit of wood. They seemed solid, but later as the hives got heavier and the parts more stickey with propolis, they became wobbley. This completely changed the character of these two hives and made them much meaner and more difficult and unpleasant to work with. I almost requeened the hives to change their behavior, but after I moved one of them to a more sturdy hivestand, the problem was solved. I'm going to move the other this spring. Good luck! Article 22855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic Certification of Crops and Mite/Disease Control Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 16:09:20 GMT References: <86a5bu$omf$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000124110920.06256.00000044@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22855 <> If the honey supers are not on, then the bees are "removed from production," are they not? Article 22856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Africanized bees and varroa Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jan 2000 19:23:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000125142301.10890.00000160@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22856 The following post is from the BEE-L archives in 1997 from a Walter Weller in Wakefield, LA. It seems to have bearing on the recent conversation here about varroa and africanized bees: Incidentally, it appears that U.S. Varroa jacobsonii is descended from the Siberian strain of mites. The Brazilian V. jacobsonii, where our American Africanized bees got their start, is descended from a Japanese strain. These two races of V. jacobsonii are recognizably different genetically, and appear to differ markedly in virulence, the Japanese/Brazilian being the lesser of the two evils. So, reports that Africanized bees in Latin America are resistant to Varroa should be taken with a grain of salt. Until the Africans have lived with U.S. Varroa for a few years we won't know how tough they really are. Article 22857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Same Yard Splits Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:36:39 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <388DFB46.1FEF7354@mwci.net> References: <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22857 We have split hives in the same yard with excellent results. Once we pull the frames for the new spit, the field bees inevitably head back to the original hive leaving the youner nurse bees who are generally more accepting of a new queen. We leave the split queenless for a day (and make sure that it is indeed queenless) and then introduce the new queen. We've had excellent acceptance of queens doing this and gangbuster splits. Chris and Janet Sauer Colesburg Apiaries Colesburg, Iowa http://www.greathoney.com Article 22858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redjasper9@aol.com (Redjasper9) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: witchhazel Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jan 2000 21:36:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000125163624.14845.00000309@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22858 I just came back from a walk in the woods and found witchhazel in bloom. Was woundering if the bees would visit if it's warm enough. I'm in eastern PA. thanks! Steve Article 22859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:48:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948846112 nnrp-07:16387 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22859 In article , Jenn C writes > I'm >not sure if it was your intention to sound rude but a reply like this may >discourage new and novice people from asking questions. After all isn't >that why we all come to this group to ask and answer questions? Maybe >someone should start a group called alt.sci.pro-beekeeping? where all the >experts could go to feel superior. Ask one question, especially on a problem encountered in beekeeping and you'll get lots of help. Alt groups do a lot of "flaming" which makes Greg's comments look mild. Read a beginner's book and lots of questions do get answered - not all those asked, mind you. Ask a *local* beekeeper in person is the best advice. Join a local beekeepers' group even better. And what about a local course for "rookies"? Ask if anyone knows a local beekeeper or group would be a good use of the group. Search the internet for beekeepers and the like would be good. Expect the audience to answer if they want to, privately or publicly. Notice I'm not answering the questions either. :-} -- James Kilty Article 22860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:02:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20000124110407.06256.00000039@ng-fi1.aol.com> <20000124154317.28576.00000193@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948846113 nnrp-07:16387 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22860 In article <20000124154317.28576.00000193@ng-cg1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 writes > Bob Pursley writes to say he favors concrete blocks for hivestands. > What kind of concrete blocks? snip >(cinder blocks). these are fine. I set mine flat, stacked two or three depending on thickness (4" or 6"). > The difficult part is getting them set level. >any corner is too high or too low. and >that the hive is tilted slightly forward and to one side for proper water >drainage. I dig down to the subsoil and get it flat in the 2 locations needed for a 2-hive stand (about 5 feet). Then place one block in each hole. Then using the timber (6 feet long) and a spirit level I get them flat long ways digging out as necessary. Put two timbers on and check the other way shaving out as needed with the spade. A piece of slate works wonders if it drifts a little over time. It might be easier this way with a British National hive which is square, but I like the freedom to put a split in between if I need to or rest the hive roof and supers in between. I can even turn a hive round 90 degrees if I want. Of course this may be useless as you are thinking about a one hive stand! -- James Kilty Article 22861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good Forage? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:07:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948846114 nnrp-07:16387 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22861 In article <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com>, Karen & Kevin writes >I have recently been granted permission to place my hives on a local >wildflower farm of about 300 acres of cultivated flowers. Lucky you, especially if they flower over a good period of time with plenty of variety. I imagine a "wildflower" farm would not wish to spray. -- James Kilty Article 22862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Same Yard Splits Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:16:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 948846114 nnrp-07:16387 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22862 In article <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Hank Mishima writes >I plan on splitting hives this spring but I do not have another yard >over two miles away to prevent drifting? If you can place your splits temporarily over 3 miles away until the flying bees have all orientated to the new location, you can bring them back any distance from the old site without the flying bees going back to it. (It's not drifting really, that's going into a nearby hive through wind or nasonov glands working hard). Why not split and let the bees go back to the old site? It works both ways round - old queen on new site building up in new flying bees, flying bees helping the split with queen making - old queen on old site more or less starting again and much less risk of swarming, other part making new queens. Old timers comments on the disadvantages and advantages of each approac appreciated. -- James Kilty Article 22863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:51:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22863 Richard bonney Your right I have your book "Hive managment" and can not find a place where you say that, however maybe you missed the point of my post. I was not saying that you should or should not answer the question just ease up on the sarcasm. Maybe the Shearer family doesn't need a defender. Maybe they will never post again? I can't claim to know much about this hobby that I'm about to begin but I do know that I wouldn't like a sincere post answered with rudeness. Dave c Jenn C wrote in message ... > >honeybs wrote in message <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net>... >>"Shearer Family" wrote: >> >>>Friends: >> >>>As a rookie hoping to start my first year of beekeeping this year (2000) I >>>have many questions. >> >>>Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. >> >>>1. What are pros / cons of buying bees ? (versus attempting to capture >a >>>swarm) >> >>>2. What is difference between Itialian / Carolian / Buckfast ? (Or any >>>others ?) >> >>>3. Are there any precautions / procedures or practices I should observe >>>in setting up my first hive in prepartion for reciept of bees ? >> >>>4. What are considerations for hive locations ? >> >>>5. How do I locate reputable bee suppliers ? >> >>>6. Any suggestions on log / record keeping ? >> >>>7. Any good software I should look into ? >> >>>8. Which magazines / publications are good for a rookie ? >> >>>9. Any suggestions on how to help my children (ages 5 - 11) to better >>>participate, understand and enjoy. >> >>>10. Any other suggestions or ideas to help me enjoy this awesome >>>activity. >> >>>Thanks in advance. >> >>>Kev 01/23/2000 20:35 >> >>>Kevin Shearer >> >>>kevmarie@roanoke.infi.net >>>Troutville, VA 24175 >>>37° 21' 32" N >>>79° 50' 45" W >> >>I don't know for sure but I would be willing to bet that >>there is a big building in your town full of books and video >>tapes called a library. That would be a good place to start >>as most of your questions will be answered with a "little" >>effort on your part. To expect someone to write a book here >>is a little ridiculous. >> >>Greg the beekeep >> > >I would have to agree that there are alot of books out there that would >answer all these questions. But the one thing I've learned from reading alot >of beekeeping books this first year is that they all say to ask fellow >beekeepers what they do as they are the best sources of information. I'm >not sure if it was your intention to sound rude but a reply like this may >discourage new and novice people from asking questions. After all isn't >that why we all come to this group to ask and answer questions? Maybe >someone should start a group called alt.sci.pro-beekeeping? where all the >experts could go to feel superior. >Dave >> >> >> >> // Bee Just & Just Bee! >> =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA >> \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >> >> >> >> > > Article 22864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:00:29 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <388DBA86.5496@javanet.com> References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 8CfIn8PLbdeDOrzGkIznr/0rWhEKcWgU2g/ghmNoJJg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2000 14:55:11 GMT To: Jenn C X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22864 > But the one thing I've learned from reading alot > of beekeeping books this first year is that they all say to ask fellow > beekeepers what they do as they are the best sources of information. As author of two beekeeping books, I can firmly say -they do NOT all say that. Dick Bonney Article 22865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:05:11 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <388E8087.9CB3FB90@midwest.net> References: <86gek7$1d6$3@nw003t.infi.net> <86hdgv$74$1@news1.Radix.Net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22865 Jenn C wrote: > > Richard bonney > Your right I have your book "Hive managment" and can not find a place where > you say that, however maybe you missed the point of my post. I was not > saying that you should or should not answer the question just ease up on the > sarcasm. Maybe the Shearer family doesn't need a defender. Maybe they will > never post again? > I can't claim to know much about this hobby that I'm about to begin but I do > know that I wouldn't like a sincere post answered with rudeness. > Dave c > Jenn C wrote in message ... Since Dick Bonney has declined the opportunity to engage in shameless plugging of his own books, allow me to mention the other book - "Beekeeping, A Practical Guide". Before I entered into this hobby I bought Bonney's book and read it cover to cover over a 2 year period - time *very* well spent. AL Article 22866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Wonderful" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Candy Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:55:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22866 Hello all..I've been reading your newsgroup for a while and I sure could use a little help right now. I have one hive (first year) and I checked them today and the hive is a lot lighter than it was 3-4 weeks ago. I have 2 brood boxes and it appears that the bees have moved up into the top box. I also saw about 100 dead bees in front of the hive. I'm afraid that they are running out of honey. Should I give them some bee candor some other type of food? Can someone send me a recipe for the candy? You can send the recipe to mike88@triplet.net. Thanks in advance. (by the way..I live in Aiken, S.C.) Article 22867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 2000 19:21:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000126142118.17614.00000191@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22867 From: "Mr. Wonderful" mike88@triplet.net > I have one hive (first year) and I checked them >today and the hive is a lot lighter than it was 3-4 weeks ago. I have 2 >brood boxes and it appears that the bees have moved up into the top box. I >also saw about 100 dead bees in front of the hive. I'm afraid that they are >running out of honey. Should I give them some bee candor some other type of >food? Can someone send me a recipe for the candy? You can send the recipe >to mike88@triplet.net. Thanks in advance. >(by the way..I live in Aiken, S.C.) A few dead bees is quite normal, as old bees are dying off. Weight loss during a warm spell is not unusual either, the bees are flying, gathering pollen, but getting little if any nectar. So they are using up their sugar energy for their wing muscles. Hopefully the current cold spell will slow them down a bit. I'd much rather have the cold in January than in late March, when bees are much more vulnerable. I am assuming that you did not leave an excluder between the boxes. As they normally do, bees move up during the winter, and they can leave the queen behind -- a certain death for her. A couple real important factors to judge the need for feeding: 1. Did you treat the bees for varroa mites last fall? If mite infestations are bad, they might not be saveable. 2. How big is the cluster of bees? They should be at least the size of a soccer ball, when they are pulled tightly, and you look down between the frames. If you have a softball sized cluster, you can write them off. If there are few bees or they are heavily infested, any feed that is given is probably just a waste. That sounds hard-nosed, but it will be easier and cheaper to just replace the bees in the spring. I've tried many times to nurse poor weak colonies, and usually find that they still need nursing in the spring when they should be exploding. If you have a good cluster, and they are fairly clean of mites, I'd feed them. It's too early to feed syrup; you don't want to stimulate them until warmer weather, and they already have enough trouble getting rid of moisture on cold nights, so you are correct in thinking "candy" rather than syrup. However there is an easier way. Make a 16 x 20 rim about 1 3/4 or 2 inches wide, to fit closely over the top box, and under the cover. Lay two or three sheets of newspaper over than rim, to make a paper bowl. I like to put an excluder under the paper, but this is because these rims sometimes are left into the spring, when they will quickly be filled with burr comb and drone brood. I'd rather have them fill it with new honey, so I like the excluder. One could make an arguement that the drone brood will have a lot of the varroa in it, and when it is disgarded the varroa infestation level will drop. Into the paper bowl and rim, pour about 15 lbs of dry sugar. That's it! During the cold night, moisture from the bees will penetrate the paper and moisten the sugar. The sugar will harden into a solid block (voila - candy!), the bees will chew thru the paper and use the sugar as needed. Make sure the sugar is just above the cluster. As we get closer to spring, you may wish to feed some syrup, but for now they should be fine. Remember that fed bees will build fast and make very nice hives, as opposed to bees that barely squeak thru. But they also will quickly swarm, if you don't practice good swarm management. Good luck. The next warm spell should bring on the maple bloom, which will stimulate the bees. But then it will be barren again until late March. Most starvation occurs in March (in SC), and it's often the very strongest, best colonies that are the first to starve (without help). Dave Green Hemingway, SC The Pollination Home Page http://pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Same Yard Splits Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jan 2000 19:33:54 GMT References: <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000126143354.17614.00000196@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22868 From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) >I plan on splitting hives this spring but I do not have another yard >over two miles away to prevent drifting? Are there any others who have >this same situation? Are there any distances where this can be >aleviated? I have 12+ acres to work with. TIA for any suggestions. Plan for E-Z splits without moving to other yards: Have beehives on pallets, 2 per pallet. When necar flow starts in spring, and bees are building fast, turn each hive around and move it to the opposite side of the pallet (behind where it previously sat). Set an empty hive where each hive previously set. Take three frames of brood with adhering bees from each hive, and move it to the opposite and new hive that is now collecting the field force. No need to look for the queen, just make sure each split has some brood cells with eggs. If you have a frame of honey to give the three frame nuc, do so, otherwise feed syrup. The hives will naturally tend to equalize, as the weaker three frame splits get the field force, and the other has more brood and young bees. At this point you can leave them to raise a queen, or go back in a couple days to give the queenless half a cell or caged queen. Or you can give all splits a cell to save going back right away. The queenless half of the split will make a roaring noise when you smoke them a couple days after the splitting. (We call it the queenless song.) So you still don't have to look for queens, unless there is obvious problems with the brood, and you wish to remove the old one and replace her. Dave Green The Pollination Home Page http://pollinator.com Article 22869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worldwide Honey Auction Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:09:01 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" , "BEE-L" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wQjokFp4HCdif8H2qcdC+G?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22869 I had a chance to talk with Martin Braunstein in San Diego, and it is no secret that he thinks that the world trade of honey is not an efficient market or that he thinks that there are cartels controlling prices. He also has indicated that there seems to be a 'country' price for honey, where pretty well all the producers in one country are offered a certain price for honey while producers in another country are offered a different price -- for honey that is often virtually indistinguishable. Anyone reading 'Honey Market News' at http://www.beesource.com/news/nhmn/ can verify this. Now that the internet is being used for auctioning off almost everything, what about honey? Imagine a site where beekeepers could offer their honey for auction to buyers and cut out the middleman. There are some problems such as confirmation of quality, escrow, shipping, etc., but I can see that we could have something going using some of the auctioning sites already set up. With such a system, I think we could avoid the type of wild price swings we have seen recently, and also encourage smaller packers to compete for supplies more effectively. allen ----- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <386C0165.B739E579@netnitco.net> <3886a290@news.compuvar.com> Subject: Re: Apistan Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:43:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 948919393 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:43:13 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:43:13 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22870 Dennis O'Hara wrote in message news:3886a290@news.compuvar.com... > Apparently, the strips should not stay in the hives any longer than 45-48 > days as the mites get resistant to the fumigant. I was away last year and > inadvertently left my strips in (had no one to take them out) and everything > turned out o.k. Had good strong hives in the spring and no trouble. Howeve, > it would be great if someone good enlighten us as to how critical it is to > get those strips out of the hives right after the 45-48 day period. > Chad Howell wrote in message It is very critical that you do not leave the strips in longer than the time stated, it may not hurt the bees themselves, but you are breeding resistance into your mites when you leave the strips in longer than stated. Resistance is a big problem, it is the reason nerve agents are used in some states to combat varroa, because the strips are now ineffective against mites. This resistance was created by beekeepers leaving strips in the hive too long. Please find out all you can about resistance and try to impliment an Integrated Management program, to keep your mites from becoming a much bigger problem. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Article 22871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steven" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farming related search engine Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 948920306 209.179.121.68 (Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:58:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:58:26 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Wed Jan 26 12:58:26 2000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:58:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22871 Check out this site. It is a farm and garden related search engine. IT even has a category for beekeeping that has some usefull links. Check it out. http://growsearch.hypermart.net/ Later, Steve Article 22872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Same Yard Splits Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: <01bf684e$10767640$97a24cc6@ernie> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:38:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.151 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 948926313 198.76.162.151 (Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:38:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:38:33 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22872 Hello Hank, I've had quite acceptable results by just putting the new split in the position of the old hive. Just be sure the new split has eggs if you want it to raise a queen. This works for me as early as Feb. here in Va Beach. ( Winter =3200 degree days). -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA Please remove nospam from my return address Hank Mishima wrote in article <23612-388DF2B8-13@storefull-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > I plan on splitting hives this spring but I do not have another yard > over two miles away to prevent drifting? Are there any others who have > this same situation? Are there any distances where this can be > aleviated? I have 12+ acres to work with. TIA for any suggestions. > > To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org > > Article 22873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <85ilpi$gid$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85khhg$r9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: BEE-L Has Been Pretty Good Lately-NOT! Re: Chalkbrood Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <0DJj4.4504$_e7.92281@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:25:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 948921916 24.65.109.115 (Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:25:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:25:16 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22873 > I shouldn't have to tell you, Allen, but BEE-L has become somewhat unreliable as a place > to post since you decided that it needed to be moderated. It also has become pretty > boring. The number of posts has decreased dramatically, as the traffic on > sci.agriculture.beekeeping has increased and become more interesting. It is clear to me I have noticed more postings to BEE-L, of quality well thought comments and information .( although sometimes contradicting) AND I do not have to wade through all the misinformation and conjecture I find on sci- agriculture, which in my opinion is sometimes dangerous to new beekeepers. That being said sci-agriculture is a lot of fun, and full of life, and I value it. Both lists have value, but it would be a great loss if either replaced the other. > that you are aware of this and started this thread to try to drum up more of the old In defence of Allen I have seen many of his posts to sci-agriculture that were timely and informative, and improved the content of this list that had nothing to do with promoting Bee-L > traffic on BEE-L. But it isn't going to happen unless you drastically curtail the > excessive moderation of BEE-L. You chased Elroy away and I really liked his posts. I dare > say that if Andy were here and tried to try to post to BEE- L today for the first time, he > would be rejected. Why are we having this discussion on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? > Because we could not have it on BEE-L. You and the other moderators have taken a lot of > extra work on yourselves, and all it has accomplished is the diminishment of BEE-L. Why To improve the quality of information, and get rid of a lot of the noise that comes when mavericks like myself and all the other beekeepers I know start posting our expertise. Smile Maybe good analogy is that sci-agriculture is a meeting where everyone is trying to be heard regardless of expertise, talking at once, fun but ineffecient if you are looking for information, great for social interaction. Bee-L is like a meeting where you are recognised and simply asked to keep on topic of bees, and not stating" why using a GREEN Ford flatdeck makes your bees calmer and produce more honey". > should I post to BEE-L? I come up with a great new way to attack chalkbrood and post to > BEE-L only to be rejected because I quoted 13 lines of the original message. Moderation of > the list has broken it. It is time to fix it. A matter of opinion only, I do not agree. Both lists have their place and strengths, I do not understand why Mark wants both lists to have the same goals and be carbon copies of each other. Diversity is one of the best things life offers. > Best Regards hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Article 22874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NewBee Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 20:43:17 GMT References: <20000124110407.06256.00000039@ng-fi1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000124154317.28576.00000193@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22874 Bob Pursley writes to say he favors concrete blocks for hivestands. What kind of concrete blocks? I stand four on end of the kind used to construct retaining walls that are hollow in the center (cinder blocks). The difficult part is getting them set level. The hive rocks back and forth if any corner is too high or too low. It's also difficult to get them all set so that the hive is tilted slightly forward and to one side for proper water drainage. John Article 22875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:16:55 -0600 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good Forage? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.198.184 X-Trace: 24 Jan 2000 16:28:00 -0600, 209.163.198.184 Lines: 4 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.198.184 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22875 I have recently been granted permission to place my hives on a local wildflower farm of about 300 acres of cultivated flowers. Is this a good deal, or is there some danger in this? What should I know regarding this offer? Thanks for the answers! Article 22876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good Forage? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jan 2000 22:50:59 GMT References: <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000124175059.01405.00000037@nso-fq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22876 In article <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com>, Karen & Kevin writes: > >I have recently been granted permission to place my hives on a local >wildflower farm of about 300 acres of cultivated flowers. Is this a good >deal, or is there some danger in this? What should I know regarding this >offer? Thanks for the answers! > > What is their spraying program, and what do the bees do in the fall and winter. Monocrops give good nectar when in bloom, but when the fields are fallow, the bees starve. Look outside the cultivated flower fields: Is there early spring and late forage (pollen and nectar). Article 22877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!news3.cableinet.net!news2.cluster1.telinco.net!212.1.153.60 Message-ID: <388CDED7.70A0E191@appleonline.net> From: "D.Spy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey References: <2260-388C8159-20@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:23:10 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.1.128.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telinco.net X-Trace: news3.cableinet.net 948756013 212.1.128.155 (Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:20:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:20:13 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22877 Hi Rodney, I was told that in mild weather the bees become more active, possibly even flying, and therefore use up more of the winter stores than when semi-dormant during the really cold spells. Donald. BEE143@webtv.net wrote: > > Why is the bees eating more honey during > times when it warms-up during the winter than when it is real cold. > Thanks for any advice > Rodney Article 22878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good Forage? Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:58:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <86ka5q$bhc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com> <20000124175059.01405.00000037@nso-fq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 25 13:58:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22878 In article <20000124175059.01405.00000037@nso-fq.aol.com>, bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) wrote: > In article <388CCF57.4820@ktc.com>, Karen & Kevin writes: > > > > >I have recently been granted permission to place my hives on a local > >wildflower farm of about 300 acres of cultivated flowers. Is this a good > >deal, or is there some danger in this? What should I know regarding this > >offer? Thanks for the answers! > > > > > > What is their spraying program, and what do the bees do in the fall and winter. > Monocrops give good nectar when in bloom, but when the fields are fallow, the > bees starve. Look outside the cultivated flower fields: Is there early spring > and late forage (pollen and nectar). > Also, when you place your hive/s, try to keep in mind that the other people using this field (owners picking their flowers) may not be as comfortable about having bees buzzing around them as you are. Try to find a south facing location which will allow easy access for you without disrupting the landowner each time you need to "tend" your bees. Another suggestion that an old-timer told me was to place your hive/s in such a way as to have an 8' to 10' high fence/tree/bush about 15 feet out from the front of the hive. This will force the bees to fly higher above the ground and will tend to make them fly over the people in the field. Good Luck Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:57:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <86v2lg$551$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.223.157.130 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 29 15:57:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 171.223.157.130 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22916 > miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I treated my hive for varroa, following Apistan's instructions, in the > early fall. Took the strips off at the appropriate time. Looked in >my hive yesterday (January 27), popped open some drone brood, and there >were mites in every single cell of the drone brood. ************************************************* Howdy Miel -- As an added control measure you might consider trying mineral oil as some have strongly promoted. I am trying it now, but it's too soon to draw any conclusions. Have any of you folks give it a fair trial? Pete Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:31:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22917 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: >I treated my hive for varroa, following Apistan's instructions, in the >early fall. Took the strips off at the appropriate time. Looked in my >hive yesterday (January 27), popped open some drone brood, and there were >mites in every single cell of the drone brood. I'd say I'm encountering >some of the resistance that has been discussed recently. >So, I'm looking at a multilevel approach now, hoping to knock down the >population, but perhaps give up on a "mite free" hive. I keep my brood >in medium supers. There are 3 of them below the queen excluder. >My question is: I've heard that if I put in two frames that are the >shallow size, the queen will build out the bottoms with drone brood. >Cutting those off before they emerge can be one way to control the >populations. However, I can't figure out if these two frames should go >side by side, and in which of the three hive bodies below the excluder. >Also, given the theory, wouldn't buying drone foundation, cutting it to >fit into the medium size frame, work just as well? >Thanks for help and advice, Vivian, in Northern California Go to Wally World (Wall Mart) and get a 100 gram bottle of thymol. Add 1/2 ounce of menthol and 1/2 ounce of champhor. Fill the bottle with Eucaliptus oil. Let it stand for a day in the sun until all is disolved. Go to the dollar store and buy a pack or two of cheap (10 for a buck) sponges. Cut them in half. In a bucket or bowl with rubber gloves soak the sponges and wring them out. Place a sponge on the frames under the inner cover. Repeat a week or two later if necessary. You will probably have to special order the thymol and eucaliptus oil. A jar of your best honey to the head pharmasist is a good investment. Using this treatment every couple of years takes care of the resistance problem. Really makes the Apiary smell nice too! USDA in Beltsville, Maryland developed this treatment. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:47:24 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <86vu87$sqd$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> <86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.241.108 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 949189703 29517 12.79.241.108 (29 Jan 2000 23:48:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2000 23:48:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22918 All of this sounds wonderful! Do you have any data to show us that the treatment: 1) Kills mites more effectively than other types of FGMO treatments 2) Prevents resistance Dave Verville Fremont, NH BTW:What's the URL for this information? honeybs wrote in message news:86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net... > miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > Go to Wally World (Wall Mart) and get a 100 gram bottle of > thymol. Add 1/2 ounce of menthol and 1/2 ounce of champhor. > Fill the bottle with Eucaliptus oil. Let it stand for a day > in the sun until all is disolved. Go to the dollar store > and buy a pack or two of cheap (10 for a buck) sponges. Cut > them in half. In a bucket or bowl with rubber gloves soak > the sponges and wring them out. Place a sponge on the > frames under the inner cover. Repeat a week or two later if > necessary. > > You will probably have to special order the thymol and > eucaliptus oil. A jar of your best honey to the head > pharmasist is a good investment. > > Using this treatment every couple of years takes care of the > resistance problem. Really makes the Apiary smell nice too! > > USDA in Beltsville, Maryland developed this treatment. > > Greg the beekeep > > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Article 22919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: alfa@melb.alexia.net.au (GD) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.technology,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Vibrational Agriculture Date: 29 Jan 2000 03:49:24 GMT Organization: Disorganised, as usual... Lines: 95 Message-ID: <949105847.407236@proxy.alexia.net.au> References: <8vji4.8502$3b6.38943@ozemail.com.au> <3889EE9F.41F9DE9A@cyclewise.com> <86ddal$rtg@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: proxy.alexia.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 949117764 396 203.14.183.2 (29 Jan 2000 03:49:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2000 03:49:24 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Cache-Post-Path: proxy.alexia.net.au!unknown@ppp14.alexia.net.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:9829 alt.agriculture.misc:11669 alt.agriculture.technology:493 alt.sustainable.agriculture:23180 sci.agriculture:40080 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22919 sci.agriculture.fruit:3352 In article , behomet@home.com says... >If this sounds strange, then I refer you to read up on >Piezo-Electronics...Basically you will find that if you >squeeze a crystal, it will vibrate at a given frequency. Nope, you got that wrong. If you squeeze a piezo crystal, a *DC* voltage will occur. That is, Direct Current. NOT alternating, not vibrating, not at any frequency. >.the harder you press the harder it >vibrates... Nope, the harder you press, the more DC voltage. Vibration doesnt occur here. > Your quartz watches work on this principle... Quartz watches have piezo crystals, sure, but they are acting as a resonator. The "vibrating" part in the circuitry is made of conventional electronic components, and the job of the crystal is merely to keep that oscillator at the correct frequency. The crystal in itself does not manufacture the "vibration". In any case the point is irrelevent because your garden soil does not "vibrate" this way at all. Whether or not there is piezo crystals in the soil is a total non-issue. Even if it did (which it doesnt), the electro-magnetic "vibration" created is not the one that the crystal-gazing wanky new-age pseudo-scientists are waffling on about, as indicated by the indroductory sentence to your posting: >I think she is hoping to talk to people of some spiritual >orientation. Yoga is a Hindu tradition of spirituality >through the tempering of the body and and there after >the mind. It should also be noted that any "vibration" of any piezo crystals at any frequency can be detected by many different kinds of detectors. (Your radio is one simple one, more sensitive ones are around such as those used to detect "brain waves" in EEG machines). The simple truth is that there is no evidence at all, from anyone, that any such "vibration" is occurring. >The vibrational aspect of her message is probably about >the fact that each substance has a frequency that it is >resonant with...both determined by Size and Material >Make-Up....find the right frequency for the particular >soil and you actually can create energy within the soil... The above paragraph is a good example of pseudo-science. It uses such techy sounding words like "frequency", "resonant", and "energy"... but from the point of view of reality it is completely bullshit. There is no such "energy" created in soil, there is no way of detecting any "vibration", let alone the "right" one for a patch of soil, and resonance (most of all from a piezo-crystal point of view) is completely irrelevent. So, what am I saying here? Its a pseudo-science. Its bogus. There's no evidence for it. People are making money out of the ignorance of others. One last note: For anyone who disagrees with me, lets put it to the test. I challenge you to defend "vibrational agriculture" as defined above by the original poster with evidence that will be conclusive to an independent unbiased observer. Lists of soil types and frequencies (in hertz) would be a good start. I await the deafening silence. cheers... P.S. This is probably best taken to sci.skeptic. P.P.S. It also just occurred to me that the electro-magnetic "vibration" that the piezo crystals are asserted to produce is not going to help plant growth anyway. For what it is worth, it is exactly the same type of radiation that people are saying will kill you if you live under high voltage power lines. Funny the way some dumbass minds work, isnt it? Article 22920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vibrational Agriculture Date: 28 Jan 2000 21:16:46 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <86tiie$jsf$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <86r21g$iqk$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000128083131.12645.00000011@nso-fu.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22920 In article <20000128083131.12645.00000011@nso-fu.aol.com>, Bob Pursley wrote: >In article <86r21g$iqk$1@saltmine.radix.net>, adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam >Finkelstein) writes: (I didn't.) > You mis-quoted me. Get your attributions correct. > Fie on the patent medicine men, and to their lackies. Yes, and fie on fie. I still want to hear how frequencies influence at the organismal or cellular level. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 22921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: laganzaf@aol.com (LaganzaF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Offering Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jan 2000 03:29:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000129222949.27486.00000370@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22921 Offering Housing Sites,Real Estate, Farm Land Trust An Organic, Biodynamic, Biointensive, Permaculture, Farm COMMUNITY The rustic White Sage Project, Laganza Farm Field Station a 20 acres land trust in lower southern California. 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CSA marketing is a means of food distribution where patrons subscribe to the farm and receive a weekly supply of produce directly from the farm. This process allows the farmer to grow for a particular constituency and the consumer receives a supply of locally grown produce and maintains a relationship with their food and the land that provides it. The CSA will provide a larger community that we envision as being associated with the smaller on farm residents by visiting the farm and participating in farm events such as harvest celebrations, field days, and (in the case of local patrons) on site pick up of produce. CONTACT Marlin L Harrison Farm Director Laganza Farm Field Station EOS Institution Southern California Permaculture Institute 43875 Barbara Trail Aguanga , California 92536 Phone (909)-763-4707 or Email : LaganzaF @ aol. com Article 22922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to process OSR (Oil Seed Rape) honey the easy way Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:55:14 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 54 Message-ID: <8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-114.indium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 949264031 19055 62.136.40.114 (30 Jan 2000 20:27:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jan 2000 20:27:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22922 Feedback! Agree with the general principles but... Who wants pure OSR (not OCR!) honey - even if it is soft set? My technique is: Extract, strain to bottling quality and store all honey in 30lb buckets. If you have to heat some of the honey to strain it then this will probably set with a coarse grain. The unheated OSR will set with a very fine grain - label these buckets as they will be your seed honey. When you need to bottle set honey, melt honey at 120 degrees F for 24 hours. Choose some OSR and some darker honey to give a good 'honey' colour. The darker honey will improve the flavour. Put it in the bottling tank and allow to cool around 70-80 degrees F. Add 5% seed honey. Stir (I have a tank with a stirrer - Maxant - but you could use the electric drill) twice a day for about 10-15mins until set - usually 3-5 days. The honey can be left in the tank until you are ready to bottle, then warm to 100-104F (no higher or it will melt)and stir. The honey will flow easily, set to a soft consistency and never frost unless subjected to extremely low temperatures(I have some over 3 years old). Graham Law wrote in message news:949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk... > > Hi, > After some pressure from other beekeepers I have at last got around to > writting an article on how to process OSR honey the easy way. > > > No seeding > No creaming plunger > > No solid OSR honey again > > Please find it at: > http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk/BeeStuff/BeeHome.htm > > Feedback welcome > > cheers > Graham > > > Article 22923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Death Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:17:24 -0500 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38949C52.106E71EF@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p5.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22923 Hello Fellow Bee Keepers, Well, it's been a very cold winter here in the northeast (upstate New York...Albany area). During the last several weeks, we've had more sub-zero temperatures than I can recall in recent winter hitstory. Since I'm new at bee keeping, I have no way of knowing what is normal for bee death in the winter. I begin with a single hive in the spring of 1999 and harvested 33 pounds on wonderful honey this past September. Several times in the last three months I've gone out to take a look and saw a handfull of dead bee around the hive. A friend, who is also a bee keeper said this was normal. However, this morning I looked out and saw what appeared to be tree bud caps all around the hive. When I went to to take a look, it turned out to be hundreds of dead bees on top of the snow. I have not opened the hive since last October and everything appeared to be fine at that time. The hive has a hole in the upper hive box for entrence and exit. I have an entrence reducer in place, which has a small hole in the middle. The lower part of the hive is covered in snow. My concern is this large bee death...is this normal? I was able to peak through the hole and saw activity, so there is life inside. Maybe the extream cold is the reason behind this recent kill off. Any experienced comments would be welcome. Thanks Jim Murray murray@albany.net Article 22924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!bj-clark.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Brian Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: !! ARE YOU A YOUNG, TEEN MODEL? 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Quickly. > Article 22925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to process OSR (Oil Seed Rape) honey the easy way Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:40:48 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk> <8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949272109 nnrp-11:18218 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 97 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22925 In article <8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes >Feedback! > >Agree with the general principles but... > >Who wants pure OSR (not OCR!) honey - even if it is soft set? A bit judgemental is this not? The answer is 'lots of people', and the negative opinion on OSR honey is to a large extent a British opinion. It is held in fairly good regard most places, and the low opinion of it in the UK amuses some of my continental colleagues greatly, and in occasional glut years gives them an opportunity to buy quite cheaply a honey they see as undervalued at source. Perhaps as a beekeeper, you, similar to myself, have developed a taste for the somewhat more pronounced flavours of lime or sycamore, but it is important to remember that much of our customer base is not composed of experienced afficionados and many of them DO like blander types. Tastings we have carried out at major public events we have attended as far south as London and Birmingham have shown that straight rape, and rape plus 10% lime, were the two most popular blossom flavours, and anything containing sycamore was noticeably less so. Even our premium raspberry flower honey scored worse than the rape over 4 days at the BBC Good Food Show. It is really important to remember that we sell our honey to meet public expectations, not to satisfy our personal preferences, although the two factors are interlinked. We produce and pack at least 20 tonnes of this 'accursed' product each year and could sell more (much more!). It is well liked by our clientelle when packed correctly and many will travel to buy it, some of whom then tell us how they dislike 'that awful OSR honey', and that ours is much better. The surprise, even disbelief, when you tell them the floral origin is fun to see. It is a honey needing a little specialist handling, NOT a bad honey. Do it right and the customer will come back for more. >My technique is: > >Extract, strain to bottling quality and store all honey in 30lb buckets. >If you have to heat some of the honey to strain it then this will probably >set with a coarse grain. >The unheated OSR will set with a very fine grain - label these buckets as >they will be your seed honey. Not always. Especially in the case of spring sown varieties there can sometimes be a very rough crystallisation. Only way is to test the pails. >When you need to bottle set honey, melt honey at 120 degrees F for 24 hours. >Choose some OSR and some darker honey to give a good 'honey' colour. The >darker honey will improve the flavour. >Put it in the bottling tank and allow to cool around 70-80 degrees F. >Add 5% seed honey. >Stir (I have a tank with a stirrer - Maxant - but you could use the electric >drill) twice a day for about 10-15mins until set - usually 3-5 days. >The honey can be left in the tank until you are ready to bottle, then warm >to 100-104F (no higher or it will melt)and stir. Works OK, and both methods are sound enough, but they are seriously laborious and/or time consuming. All that is really needed is to filter and seed the honey at harvest time, then just run it off into pails, barrels or whatever. Then just store it until such time as you need it. Once it has completely set it just needs a gentle soften, a QUICK stir with a paddle (like 30 secs for a 60lb pail or a couple of minutes for a barrel), tip it into the bottling machine, and away you go. You just draw what you need for the next days run from stock, soften it overnight and pack it. Done correctly it will never go hard again, and maintain a 'spreadable set' consistency. Many (probably the majority) of our clients do not want it to be a 'flowing set' which moves if the jar is tilted or inverted. Melting too far back can, as suggested allow the crystal matrix to reform and the it can go quite hard and frosting can occur. Not far enough back and the beating causes a structure breakdown in one of the sugars allowing water migration to take place, resulting in seperation into two layers in the worst cases, or a 'furring' of fine bubbles in less severe cases. None of these are appealing to the eye and depress sales badly. (This could get overly technical here about the interlocking crystal matrixes of different sugars melting at different temperatures, but there are people out there on this group who probably know a lot more about that than I do.) >The honey will flow easily, set to a soft consistency and never frost unless >subjected to extremely low temperatures(I have some over 3 years old). Ditto, but the line between frosting and seperation can be a fine one with this honey. It is best to work as closely as is practicable to a 'bottle to order' system and not stocked in jars for protracted periods, but if you must it stores best kept fairly cool and preferrably in the dark. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Water in the winter? Message-ID: References: <872mhv$11c4$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 949280685 216.100.16.35 (Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:04:45 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:04:45 MST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:04:45 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22926 That's an interesting observation, dude. I have been giving sugar water to my bees all winter, as much as they want, and I wonder after your observation whether it could be more the water that they want than the sugar? In article <872mhv$11c4$1@hardcore.ivn.net>, spike@spamfreefrontier.net says... > Whenever there's a warm day here (southern Colorado), the ladies are out > gathering water. My wife was surprised the other day when she discovered > bees all over the diapers she had hung outside to dry. Plus they go for the > cat's water dish, etc. > > I was under the (obviously mistaken) understanding that bees really don't > have a need for water in the winter. Doesn't the honey that they eat > produce water vapor as a by-product? What gives here? Is there a problem > in the hives that I should be aware of? > > Thanks for any help > -- > remove spamfree to reply > > > Article 22927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candy Recipe Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 07:55:32 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 19 Message-ID: <86u6m8$km1$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <3890FE2B.C9C66714@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p50.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 949132808 21185 159.134.232.50 (29 Jan 2000 08:00:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2000 08:00:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22927 1 part water to 5 parts sugar, dissolve and boil to a temp of 324 Fahrenheit, take off heat and cool rapidly when it starts to whiten pour quickly into containers. remember 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and you wont forget the formula Ruary Rudd Chad Howell wrote in message news:3890FE2B.C9C66714@netnitco.net... > Can someone please post the recipe for candy again. I forgot to write it > down. > Thanks, > Chad Howell > Article 22928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Conan Witzel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vibrational Agriculture Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:13:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <86u7f1$jlo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <86r21g$iqk$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000128083131.12645.00000011@nso-fu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.198.193.164 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 29 08:13:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.198.193.164 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcwitzel Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22928 I am doing this a deja.com Haven't figured out yet it it works or not. This is the kind of discussion/disourse I am looking for. Who cares about GM plants with 18,000 threads. I like to hear, from someone who knows more than m,e the truth. I talked to my plants for a while and saw now difference in yield. Thank god someone has debunked this one before I went and bought a cyrstal harmonizer for my fields on Ebay for $500.00 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:50:54 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949136350 nnrp-04:6462 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22929 In article <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com>, miel@ix.netcom.com writes >I treated my hive for varroa, following Apistan's instructions, in the >early fall. Took the strips off at the appropriate time. Looked in my >hive yesterday (January 27), popped open some drone brood, and there were >mites in every single cell of the drone brood. I'd say I'm encountering >some of the resistance that has been discussed recently. Maybe, but remember that no treatment is 100% effective that does not also kill the bees, and that the mites concentratvily towards drone brood. A lot depends on how much drone brood there was, as a relatively low infestation can look severe if concentrated in a relatively low drone brood count. >So, I'm looking at a multilevel approach now, hoping to knock down the >population, but perhaps give up on a "mite free" hive. I keep my brood >in medium supers. One thing to watch is any bridge comb built between the boxes. It is almost invariably drone, and as such is a little varroa producing factory. 3 mediums as a nest instead of 2 deeps (2 interfaces instead of 1) doubles the bridge comb building opportunities. If the bee space is perfect there is usually only a minimal amount of this material, but in any other circumstances it can be a surprising amount. > > >My question is: I've heard that if I put in two frames that are the >shallow size, the queen will build out the bottoms with drone brood. >Cutting those off before they emerge can be one way to control the >populations. However, I can't figure out if these two frames should go >side by side, and in which of the three hive bodies below the excluder. The folk I have spoken to who use this method as a natural SUPPLEMENTARY control method exploit the bees natural pattern for comb building. A new feral colony usually draws 3 or 4 completely worker combs at the centre of their brood nest, then a drone one next to them, reverting to worker after that with some drone patches thrown in. The idea then is to centre your brood nest, and (in 10 frame equipment) put in a shallow bar at positions 3 and 7, or 4 and 8. The comb hung from underneath is almost always 100% drone and is laid in quickly, particularly if you cull out all brood combs with more than a minimal amount of drone cells present. At every visit cut off all sealed and nearly sealed drone brood hanging there into a bucket, then take it away and destroy or bury it (I am told you can even feed it to pigs!). Do not put them side by side as they will quite often draw this wild comb cross wise, causing a lot of hassle getting it out. For it to work properly the culling mentioned above is particularly important, forcing the drone favouring mites towards your 'killing zone'. If you leave a lot of drone in the rest of the brood area they will be spread through it all roughly on a pro-rata basis and the method becomes so innefficient as to be not worth the effort. > >Also, given the theory, wouldn't buying drone foundation, cutting it to >fit into the medium size frame, work just as well? Of course. But then you have the work of cutting it out and rewaxing, or taking it home freezing it and letting the bees clean it out. I hope this is of some help Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 22930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3892E534.284B8E4E@zzclinic.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:03:48 -0500 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candy Recipe References: <3890FE2B.C9C66714@netnitco.net> <86u6m8$km1$1@scotty.tinet.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p3-61.clinic.net X-Trace: 29 Jan 2000 13:03:05 GMT, d-p3-61.clinic.net Lines: 16 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!News.Destek.net!d-p3-61.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22930 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > 1 part water to 5 parts sugar, dissolve and boil to a temp of 324 > Fahrenheit, take off heat and cool rapidly when it starts to whiten pour > quickly into containers. > > remember 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and you wont forget the formula I think you mean 5lbs sugar, 1 pint water, heat to 243F. It can be poured at any time. 324F is a bit beyond the hard ball stage. Bill T Bath. ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 22931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to process OSR (Oil Seed Rape) honey the easy way Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:22:22 -0000 Message-ID: <949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949155659 nnrp-14:7606 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 34 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22931 Hi, After some pressure from other beekeepers I have at last got around to writting an article on how to process OSR honey the easy way. No seeding No creaming plunger No solid OSR honey again Please find it at: http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk/BeeStuff/BeeHome.htm Feedback welcome cheers Graham -- Graham Law Leicestershire UK... Email: Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Web http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk/ Article 22932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!news-peer.ivn.net!IVI-USENET!ivi-usenet From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Water in the winter? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:00:59 -0700 Organization: Internet Ventures Usenet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <872mhv$11c4$1@hardcore.ivn.net> Reply-To: "Spike Psarris" NNTP-Posting-Host: dro-2-69.frontier.net X-Trace: hardcore.ivn.net 949280127 34180 199.45.211.69 (31 Jan 2000 00:55:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-admin@ivn.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 00:55:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22932 Whenever there's a warm day here (southern Colorado), the ladies are out gathering water. My wife was surprised the other day when she discovered bees all over the diapers she had hung outside to dry. Plus they go for the cat's water dish, etc. I was under the (obviously mistaken) understanding that bees really don't have a need for water in the winter. Doesn't the honey that they eat produce water vapor as a by-product? What gives here? Is there a problem in the hives that I should be aware of? Thanks for any help -- remove spamfree to reply Article 22933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Tobi Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Perhaps you heard about our wind Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:15:35 -0500 Organization: Arsenal Technical High School Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3894F047.DD58B005@indy.net> References: <38850B3E.A58F746C@gte.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22933 Actually we put about three bricks on top of each hive as it can get really windy in Indiana and wind that can take your roof off could take your hive top off. (Now the tree falling right next to the hive was darn lucky except that I have to chainsaw my way to the hive now!) Tobi Rich Webb wrote: > So experience may be the best teacher, but I highly recommend that you do not > follow our example. If we'd have just put a brick or two on top of our hives, > then the top wouldn't have blown off some of them, chilling the entire hive, > possibly to extinction. > > Consider yourself warned! > Rich Webb Article 22934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Kevin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paraffine for treating bee equipment, bottom boards ect.? Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 02:41:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.205.105 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 949286503 161.184.205.105 (Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:41:43 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:41:43 MST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22934 I'm looking for any info about this. Has it or is it being done. Pros? Cons? Methods of aplication and cheap sources of product?...Any info would be appreciated......thank you Article 22935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3894FE8D.2BF6BA6C@istar.ca> From: Simon de Vet Reply-To: sdevet@istar.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southwestern Ohio Bee School References: <388875BE.8E89799F@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:16:29 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.34.89 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 949288047 154.5.34.89 (Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:07:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:07:27 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22935 Judy and Dave wrote: > You are invited to attend one of the largest and most educational > beekeeping schools in the State of Ohio. What a letdown. I was hoping from the subject line that this would be a kind of obedience school. You know? An obedience school for bees? Article 22936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candy Recipe Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:26:38 -0000 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <873do0$g61$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <3890FE2B.C9C66714@netnitco.net> <86u6m8$km1$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3892E534.284B8E4E@zzclinic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p252.as1.tralee1.eircom.net X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 949303872 16577 159.134.232.252 (31 Jan 2000 07:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@eircom.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 07:31:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22936 Bill Truesdell wrote in message news:3892E534.284B8E4E@zzclinic.net... > > I think you mean 5lbs sugar, 1 pint water, heat to 243F. It can be poured > at any time. > 324F is a bit beyond the hard ball stage. > Bill T > Bath. ME Yes you are quite right, I made a typo Sorry ;-( Ruary Rudd Article 22937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bee lava Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:26:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.219.46.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 31 12:26:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 INET, 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.219.46.2 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22937 Hi, New to beekeeping and this forum and I need advice. Went to the hive a couple of days ago and there was quite a bit of activity with bees on their cleansing flights turning washing yellow etc. Usual odd worker corpse around entrance but also a couple of white bee lava (I would estimate at about 7-10 days old) that had been chucked out of the hive. Is this normal or do I start panicking?! Many thanks, Michael - Manchester UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Computers v. apidictor. Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:41:27 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <200001311601.LAA25243@listserv.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" , "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001311601.LAA25243@listserv.albany.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wIVn30QT56KLdWBgleKGNV?= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22938 > For those who suggested software thanks. Some software I knew about, some > I didn't... Posting software or pointing to a web site is a big help. I realise that some of the discussion has been moving off-list. While this may reduce list traffic, it does mean that some who might be able to contribute don't have the chance. I'd like to see this discussion on the list within reason, because I feel that this may result in some momentous advances. We have a lot of talent in many fields converging here on BEE-L. If you are worried about whether your contribution is appropriate for the list or not, I'm sure the moderators will reject anything that is not suitable or redundant. At any rate, please send me personally all the links and software info (at allend@internode.net) and I'll summarize to the list, as well as set up a web page with the info. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:30:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <874kch$u0p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.215.109.146 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 31 18:30:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 171.215.109.146 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22939 > mbarton15653@my-deja.com wrote: > Is this normal or do I start panicking?! > Michael - Manchester UK *************************************************** Howdy Michael -- First thing that comes to mind is Chilled Brood. If the queen produced more brook than the cluster could cover when the weather turned COLD this would happen. I suggest going in for a checkup first time the weather is warm enough and bees are flying pretty freely. Keep us posted. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Graham Law" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to process OSR (Oil Seed Rape) honey the easy way Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:01:21 -0000 Message-ID: <949345197.25718.0.nnrp-04.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk> References: <949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk><8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 949345197 nnrp-04:25718 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 28 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22940 Murray McGregor wrote in message news:SXMe9CAw3Ll4Ewju@denrosa.demon.co.uk... > In article <8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards > writes > >Feedback! > > > >Agree with the general principles but... > > > >Who wants pure OSR (not OCR!) honey - even if it is soft set? > > A bit judgemental is this not? The answer is 'lots of people', and the > negative opinion on OSR honey is to a large extent a British opinion. It > is held in fairly good regard most places, and the low opinion of it in > the UK amuses some of my continental colleagues greatly, and in > occasional glut years gives them an opportunity to buy quite cheaply a > honey they see as undervalued at source. I whole heartedly agree with you Murray, as I mentioned on the site, my findings are the same. Blind testing reveals that the public often prefer OSR even though the same people may claim to dislike it. (I like OCR honey too but that's a another story -it's not as sweet but has more character :-) Graham Article 22941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: "pcox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Books on Bees Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:04:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.171.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca 949345465 207.179.171.130 (Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:04:25 AST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:04:25 AST Organization: NBTel Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22941 Does anyone have any suggestions on what books a new beekeeper should get. I have been to the library,but everything is very dated, (refers to the use of motor oil in controlling pests and whatnot). I would like to know what I should get to help me get started. Thanks, Glenn Cox Article 22942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bee lava Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:12:11 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <875572$o0o$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 949360674 24600 62.136.1.40 (31 Jan 2000 23:17:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:17:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22942 Don't panic. This is not unusual and could be regarded as a good sign - dead bees (and the odd larva) outside are an indication that there are plenty of live ones inside keeping things in order! Just make sure that there are sufficient stores - colonies will soon start to use stores quickly as brood rearing increases (I would suggest bakers' fondant placed directly over the brood if they are light) - and wait until warmer weather (perhaps the end of March) before you have quick look inside. wrote in message news:873v1v$dn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hi, > New to beekeeping and this forum and I need advice. Went to the hive a > couple of days ago and there was quite a bit of activity with bees on > their cleansing flights turning washing yellow etc. Usual odd worker > corpse around entrance but also a couple of white bee lava (I would > estimate at about 7-10 days old) that had been chucked out of the hive. > Is this normal or do I start panicking?! > Many thanks, > Michael - Manchester UK > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 22943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candy Recipe Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:15:18 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <875573$o0o$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3890FE2B.C9C66714@netnitco.net> <86u6m8$km1$1@scotty.tinet.ie> <3892E534.284B8E4E@zzclinic.net> <873do0$g61$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 949360675 24600 62.136.1.40 (31 Jan 2000 23:17:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:17:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22943 Just a note that using bakers' fondant - a mix of finely powdered white sugar and glucose syrup - would save you a lot of time and energy (i.e gas or electricity). Ruary Rudd <@tinet.ie> wrote in message news:873do0$g61$1@scotty.tinet.ie... > > Bill Truesdell wrote in message > news:3892E534.284B8E4E@zzclinic.net... > > > > I think you mean 5lbs sugar, 1 pint water, heat to 243F. It can be poured > > at any time. > > 324F is a bit beyond the hard ball stage. > > Bill T > > Bath. ME > > Yes you are quite right, I made a typo > > Sorry ;-( > > Ruary Rudd > > Article 22944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:50:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8704i4$atn$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> <86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> <86vu87$sqd$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22944 "David Verville" wrote: >All of this sounds wonderful! >Do you have any data to show us that the treatment: >1) Kills mites more effectively than other types of FGMO treatments This treatment was developed by Nick Calderone sp? when he worked at Beltsville. According to his talk on the subject he had somewhere around 99% kill rate. The actual formulation of his was 75% Thymol, 16% Eucaliptus, 4.5% Campher, and 4.5% Menthol. The method I use of mixing is close but a little heavier on the eucaliptus. It makes the desolving a little easier without heating. >2) Prevents resistance If you have fluvalinate resistant mites and kill 99% of them then you have gotten rid of most of the resistance that has been breed in. The problem in the past is that the labeling cost so much for any miticide in the beekeeping industry that companies can afford two at the same time. A minimum of two different ones have to be made available to prevent resistance. >Dave Verville >Fremont, NH >BTW:What's the URL for this information? I don't have a URL as this was personal communications but Nick is now at Cornell. He took over there when Roger Morse retired. I am sure you can call him up and ask for more data. I do it here at least once every other year and do not have a resistance problem. This was developed years ago. I don't know why it was not followed up on any more. I would guess that it is a label thing. A lot of money for something that us beekeepers could mix ourselves. Greg the Beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paraffin Wax Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <949373112.674071@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-114.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:40:55 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 949372785 203.96.152.26 (Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:39:45 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:39:45 NZDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22945 Hi Kevin, In NZ most commercial beekeepers use paraffin wax to dip their hive boxes in. It is the best way to preserve the boxes and really penetrate the wood. The boxes are then painted immediately whilst the woodware is still hot. (I hear they spray paint them). The woodware lasts and lasts. It is not usually a method used by hobbiests as it requires the paraffin wax to be heated to a high temperature and we hobbiests don't have the equipment to do this. Unless of course you know someone! Cheers Liz Article 22946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Jensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ...resistant varroa Organization: No Junk Mail Reply-To: mejensen@att.net Message-ID: References: <38925A96.1860@ix.netcom.com> <86veas$1iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:17:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.3.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 949378650 12.72.3.121 (Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:17:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:17:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22946 My bees tell me honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >Go to Wally World (Wall Mart) and get a 100 gram bottle of >thymol. Add 1/2 ounce of menthol and 1/2 ounce of champhor. >Fill the bottle with Eucaliptus oil. Let it stand for a day >in the sun until all is disolved. Go to the dollar store >and buy a pack or two of cheap (10 for a buck) sponges. Cut >them in half. In a bucket or bowl with rubber gloves soak >the sponges and wring them out. Place a sponge on the >frames under the inner cover. Repeat a week or two later if >necessary. The folks at Wally World just scratched their heads when asked about thymol. Could you give us a little more info about where to get these 4 items? Lorann perhaps? Thanks for this very informative post. Article 22947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jerry Ameel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Michigan Honey Producers Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.57.61.127 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 949314648 209.57.61.127 (Mon, 31 Jan 2000 03:30:48 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 03:30:48 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:30:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22947 If you are producing honey in Michigan, please contact me. We are forming an association for beekeepers in Michigan only. Or sign on to out list at: http://www.topica.com/lists/MHPA/prefs Thanks, Jerry Ameel webmaster@good-rich.com Article 22948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Feb 2000 15:50:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000201105022.03699.00001240@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22948 From: "pcox" pcox@nb.sympatico.ca > Does anyone have any suggestions on what books a new beekeeper should >get. I have been to the library,but everything is very dated, (refers to >the use of motor oil in controlling pests and whatnot). I would like to >know what I should get to help me get started. Thanks, Glenn Cox Take a look at beekeeper resources on the pollination page http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Diana Sammataro's book is the best beginner beekeeping book I know. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Steve & Meneese Wall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeystix Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 15:51:12 +0000 Organization: Fastlane Communications (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 3 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <389700EE.62A524A@fastlane.net> Reply-To: thewalls@fastlane.net Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Feb 1 15:50:15 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !\NLa3I`/qTM6Dm (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22949 I'm wanting to package my honey in "honeystix". Does anyone know where to get the tubing, packing equipment, etc? Article 22950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.myxa.com!iad-feed.news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!news.dnttm.ro!not-for-mail From: "Jabba" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for work Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:54:20 +0200 Organization: Dynamic Network Technologies Timisoara Lines: 18 Message-ID: <873f3h$tah$1@nebula.dnttm.ro> NNTP-Posting-Host: ls.datagroup.ro X-Trace: nebula.dnttm.ro 949305265 30033 193.230.233.2 (31 Jan 2000 07:54:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.dnttm.ro NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 07:54:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22950 Hi, if you need help in managing your bee-related enterprise/hobby, and if you're interested in a 50 years old,Romanian,hard-working, retired man, with 40 years experience in beekeeping, once delivering 1 tone of honey per ear( and now disilusionated because of the fall of the prices of Romanian honey market ), or if you're simply interested in getting some quality honey, contact me at mailto:mircea@level7.datagroup.ro I am looking for a way to round up my incomes - just send an offer and we can discuss it. Europe solicitors preffered - but not necesarry. Regards, Cornel. Article 22951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.freedom2surf.net!btnet-peer!btnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:59:45 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38954e04.775376@news.pavilion.net> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-62.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 949309174 74353 194.242.139.62 (31 Jan 2000 08:59:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 08:59:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22951 There is reference to venom in honey in Tickner Edwards, 1907, the Bee Master of Warrilow, p58: '... Honey is good for old and young. If mothers wre wise they would never give their children any other sweet food. Pure ripe honey is sugar with the most difficult and most important part of digestion already accomplished by the bees. Moreover, it is a safe and very gentle laxative; and before each comb-cell is sealed up the bee injects a drop ofacid from her sting, and so gives to the honey an aseptic property. that is why it is so good for sore throuats or chafed skins.' Of course we now know that the 'acid from her sting' is a complex of enzymes and whether these really do give the honey 'an aseptic property' I do not know. Gerald Legg Booth Museum Brighton (and beekeeper) On 09 Jan 2000 23:12:14 GMT, hcampb6368@aol.com (HCampb6368) wrote: > Recently pedroperez@airtel.net posted something on the Apither-L@sci.fi >list about bees placing a drop of venom in the honey cell to help preserve it. > > This was news to me and some others. Pedro then gave his source: >>>My source of information is the book in spanish "Cria Moderna de abejas" by >Melchor Biri and J.M. Alemany Albert - Edit. de Vecchi - Balmes,247 - >Barcelona (Spain) - 1.979 -page 87. << > > I haven't located the book yet, (and probably couldn't read it if I did). >Has anyone here heard of venom in honey, and is there a reference in English >about it? As much as honey has been analyzed we would expect some other >mention of it. > > Herb Article 22952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated Honey & Microwave Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:03:00 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38954f79.1148921@news.pavilion.net> References: <85p884$10j$1@scotty.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna1-62.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 949309369 74353 194.242.139.62 (31 Jan 2000 09:02:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 09:02:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22952 Yes, take any lids off (especially metal ones!). Heat at medium for about four minutes; stir and reheat for a shorter time (use your judgement); stir again; repeat until until all clear. Don't over heat! On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:35:15 -0000, "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> wrote: >Is it possible to use a microwave to heat jars of honey which have >granulated? > >If so what timings and what settings should one use? > >What are the disadvantages of this? > >Ruary Rudd > > Article 22953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeystix Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Feb 2000 00:22:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000201192233.03710.00001329@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22953 where are you located? Article 22954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: cfudge@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books on Bees Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 00:24:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <877tev$bkj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.187.29.168 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 01 04:03:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.187.29.168 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22954 Probably the best current book is "The Beekeeper's Handbook" 3rd ed by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable - pub by Comstock Publishing Associates a division of Cornell University Press ; Another good one is "Honey Bees and Beekeeping - A Year in the Life of an Apiary" by Keith Delaplane, 2nd ed Pub by The University of Georgia - this also has a video series that follows the book, this is excellent. It can be viewed from Draper's Super Bee Apiaries catalog (check it out): The old standbys are "The Hive and the Honey Bee" pub by Dadant & Sons, and "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" pub by the A. I. Root & company. Join a local beekeeper's club if there is one in your area. There is a wealth of information there. Also subscribe to magazines : Bee Culture and American Bee Journal are really great. Well worth the subscription. You'll see. Clint Chemung Valley Beekeepers Association In article , "pcox" wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on what books a new beekeeper should > get. I have been to the library,but everything is very dated, (refers to > the use of motor oil in controlling pests and whatnot). I would like to > know what I should get to help me get started. Thanks, Glenn Cox > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:18:36 -0500 From: hayfevr@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cluster not moving up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.247.158 X-Trace: 2 Feb 2000 01:19:17 GMT, 166.72.247.158 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.prserv.net!166.72.247.158 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22955 One of my colonies is not moving up due to a honey bound top deep brood box and I'm wondering what the best course of action is. On the next warm day I was thinking of uncapping the bottom portion of some center frames. Will this make the top box available to them or risk the honey dribbling down on them? It's winter here in Massachusetts but expecting a warm up for this weekend. Thank you for any advice. Article 22956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Books on Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000201105022.03699.00001240@ng-fi1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bf6d1c$98fb9680$40a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:27:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.64 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 949454823 198.76.162.64 (Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:27:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:27:03 EST Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22956 As the local club's librarian I agree. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, VA USA Please remove "nospam" from my return address to reply. Dave Green wrote in article <20000201105022.03699.00001240@ng-fi1.aol.com>... > From: "pcox" pcox@nb.sympatico.ca > Diana Sammataro's book is the best beginner beekeeping book I know. Article 22957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeystix Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Feb 2000 01:11:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000201201111.23988.00000124@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22957 From: Steve & Meneese Wall thewalls@fastlane.net >I'm wanting to package my honey in "honeystix". Does anyone know where >to get the tubing, packing equipment, etc? Several beekeepers have tried, including myself, and it's not a practical project, unless you are well financed. Just one leaker in a box can really make a mess. Check with the folks that produce these. Some of them can custom pack your honey in honey stix. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 22958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed Mabesoone" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Beekeeping Workshop Lines: 52 Organization: The Mabesoone Family Apiary X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.11.31.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 949454944 63.11.31.153 (Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:29:04 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:29:04 PST X-ELN-Date: Tue Feb 1 17:29:04 2000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:29:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22958 PRESS RELEASE Hernando County Beekeepers Association In conjunction with Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Brooksville, Florida FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Office (352) 754-4433 mon-fri 8-5 FAX: (352) 745-4489 Ed Mabesoone (352) 596-6263 after 7:00 PM FAX: (352) 596-7188 E-mail Apism@earthlink.net Karen Tuttle (352) 796-0123 after 7:00 PM E-mail Merryhillfarm@juno.com , Hernando County Beekeepers Association FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Beginning Beekeeping Workshop To be held at the Hernando County Cooperative Extension Service Office, located at 19490 Oliver St. Brooksville, Florida 34601 on Saturday March 4, 2000 Starting at 8:00 AM. The workshop will include information on Bee Biology, Pests & Diseases, Apiary Site Selection, Moving Bees On A Small Scale, Acquiring Bees & Equipment, Equipment Construction, The Florida Apiary Inspection Program, Common Beginners Mistakes, Honey Extraction, and Colony Manipulation & Inspection. Speakers will include Dr. M. T. (Tom) Sanford- Extension Beekeeping Specialist from the University of Florida, Laurence Cutts-Assistant Chief Apiary Inspector, James Alderman- Apiary Inspector. The cost of the workshop is $25.00 non-refundable and all participants must pre-register no later than February 15, 2000. Registration papers can be obtained from any of the above listed contacts. All checks or money orders should be made payable to the Hernando County 4-H Foundation. A portion of the proceeds will be donated to 4-H All materials as well as lunch will be provided and all participants will receive a copy of ? First Lessons In Beekeeping? Brooksville, Florida, December 15, 1999? Article 22959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Stan Wyler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Prevention Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:24:44 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8784go$bqb2$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nycmbd08-27.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 949458264 688673 209.254.31.178 (2 Feb 2000 02:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 2000 02:24:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22959 Hello everyone, I was wondering if one could prevent swarming by placing some sort of queen excluder on the hive entrance or maybe a conventional queen excluder above the bottom board? Thanks - Stan Article 22960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net> Subject: Re: Cluster not moving up Lines: 33 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <53Nl4.1991$Vy.189322@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 02:58:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 949460289 12.72.46.32 (Wed, 02 Feb 2000 02:58:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 02:58:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22960 I am not sure why you believe this is a problem. "Moving up" does not mean that the cluster engulfs the frames of honey. They only need to be able to contact the margin of the stores as the individual bees in the cluster move about like convection currents. The dead air space of the empty cells they are clustered on provide a lot more insulation than if they were on capped cells. As long as the bees can get to the honey, you have an ideal situation with a deep full of honey directly above the cluster. Bees normally starve because they can't break cluster to move laterally to stores. You will do more damage if you try to open the capped cells. They will move up as they need to. Presumably there is no queen excluder between the deeps. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:389785EC.132D3CCE@banet.net... > One of my colonies is not moving up due to a honey bound top deep brood > box and I'm wondering what the best course of action is. On the next > warm day I was thinking of uncapping the bottom portion of some center > frames. Will this make the top box available to them or risk the honey > dribbling down on them? It's winter here in Massachusetts but expecting > a warm up for this weekend. > > Thank you for any advice. > > > Article 22961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news2.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38979EEB.309C9CD5@bellsouth.net> From: "bill_daniels@bellsouth.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Commercial pollen supplements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:05:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.198.175 X-Trace: news2.mco 949460718 209.214.198.175 (Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:05:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:05:18 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22961 I'll be entering my second season with bees soon and my thoughts are turning to early season brood stimulation. Does anyone have a preference for the various commercially available pollen supplements or substitutes available from U.S. dealers? Are the syrup moistened pollen patties the way to go once I start stimulative syrup feeding? Thanks, Bill Daniels SW Tennessee USA Article 22962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Death Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Feb 2000 03:56:05 GMT References: <38949C52.106E71EF@albany.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000201225605.27221.00000732@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22962 The bees in one of my hives have eaten their way through more than twice as much honey as the other hives. I just don't think they're viable to survive the winter here in Eastern Mass., but if I can keep them alive 'till spring on emergency rations (granulated sugar spread on the inner cover) I'll have a hive for requeening. What prompted me to check this hive was that there seemed to be more flying activity at it than the others. I wonder if the stress of impending starvation might cause the bees to become more active than they otherwise would be, resulting in a great many more dead in the snow who can't make it back to the hive. Article 22963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paraffine for treating bee equipment, bottom boards ect.? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:40:08 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <875570$o0o$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 949360672 24600 62.136.1.40 (31 Jan 2000 23:17:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:17:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22963 Paraffin wax - yes. Can't say that I like the idea of paraffin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Kevin wrote in message news:HD6l4.96524$n3.2010141@news0.telusplanet.net... > I'm looking for any info about this. Has it or is it being done. Pros? > Cons? Methods of aplication and cheap sources of product?...Any info would > be appreciated......thank you > > Article 22964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to process OSR (Oil Seed Rape) honey the easy way Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:05:29 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <875571$o0o$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <949155659.7606.0.nnrp-14.c2de24d3@news.demon.co.uk><8726qv$ijf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 949360673 24600 62.136.1.40 (31 Jan 2000 23:17:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:17:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22964 Some fair points there Murray. Yes, I suppose that I was a bit judgemental and I do know that some people like pure rape honey. It is an excellent honey as far as it physical properties are concerned (how did we produce good set honey without it?) but it is not to my taste on its own. (If I tell you that I am daft enough to drag bees to Yorkshire each year for the heather you will understand why!) Agree that unheated rape does not always set finely, although most of our rape is autumn sown and that usually does - agree that you need to check each batch. Perhaps spring rape sets more slowly due to the higher ambient temperatures when extracted and this affect the granulation. Yes, you can seed at the time of extracting, but rape usually needs heating before filtering and is then really too warm to seed - unless you have enough tanks to allow it to cool. Unfortunately, my day job is all go at that time and it is all that I can do to extract the usual couple of tons of rape, filter it and get it into buckets at that time. By labelling all buckets with source, date, colour and water content, I can then select an appropriate mix and bottle at leisure as required. Temperature is critical when bottling set honey and I have found that my usual mix of 60-70% rape with 30-40% 'maincrop' honey can be heated to 104F maximum and will then bottle perfectly when stirred (the stirrer rotates quite slowly at 30rpm, so there is no danger of beating to a froth). This breaks the crystal structure but the honey will then re-set to a perfect soft set within a day. It does not separate or frost.