Article 10609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:39:15 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> <34a6cae3.28466950@news.earthlink.net> <34a7b272.9336476@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10609 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:8 We at Denrosa tried a few Pierco's about three seasons back. We found that initially the bees were very reluctant to draw them and made a real mess with drone brace(burr) comb all over the place including attachments to the faces of the frames. The hives involved got overcrowded below and drew swarm cells rather than make full use of these bars. However, it is fair to point out that we had probably mistimed (too early) the addition of them to the hives, because when the first really strong flow came along they were then properly drawn with relative ease. By this time we had scraped a great deal of burr comb off with the hive tool and regarded that task as a real pain. Properly timed adding of these would probably get round this trouble. We do not find that our bees draw excessive burr comb between the boxes and, once drawn, the combs are as well accepted by the bees as wax combs. We have no problem with their strength in brood chambers and have never used them for extracting purposes but cannot forsee any difficulty with it. We had no trouble with using the hive tools on them. We had one problem which I raised with Nick Lissaman, and is the main reason I did not go out and buy a truckload. The foundation does not stay flat, tending to bow slightly in one direction or the other. It is not by much, but unless you are very careful and get the combs lined up so they all bow in one direction ( we just don't have time for that), it is enough to compromise the bee space. Then, in the brood nest, you get a bald patch if two bows face each other and burr comb if two hollows are together. I admit I am being a little fussy highlighting this because, believe you me, I have some pretty poor conventional combs as well. In fairness to Pierco, these are combs from a mould which I believe has now been done away with and I understand a new stronger mould came into service a year or two back which may have taken care of the bowing problem. As one respondent said however, with whom I agree, I think that as things stand I would probably find a strong wooden frame with really sturdy foundation like plasticell most to my liking. Murray -- Murray McGregor Denrosa Ltd Coupar Angus Perthshire Scotland Article 10610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.voicenet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Busy buzzin' the web honey! Date: 29 Dec 1997 18:07:39 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bd1484$e57aa2a0$22614ac3@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp6-33.entanet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10610 This article looks at apiculture on the internet. Reprints of the above article in the current edition of BEE WORLD are available if required. Please send a stamped self-addressed envelope (or equivalent in international reply coupons). Richard Hill 8 Folkestone Court Langley Berkshire SL3 8LX United Kingdom -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 10611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.2.250.4!news.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:31:19 GMT Organization: LogicSouth, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <34a7b272.9336476@news.netside.com> References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> <34a6cae3.28466950@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42p1-74.logicsouth.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10611 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:9 There has been a fair amount of discussion on this subject here. You might want to run a search and see what you can find. I tried to use the Pierco frames on and off for several years, and had terrible luck with them. My bees didn't seem to like them, and were reluctant to draw comb on them. Whenever they had a choice between wood or plastic, they chose wood. Otherwise, my experience was similar to John Caldeira's. I'd never use them again. jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: >malbisse@post1.com (malbisse) wrote: >>Does anyone here have any experience with the plastic frames made by >>Pierco? > > Pierco plastic frames did NOT work well for me. I bought some hives >several years ago that had some of these plastic frames. The bees >drew the foundation out nicely, and the queens layed good patterns, >BUT: > > 1. The frames broke with normal hive manipulations with a hive tool, >especially in cool weather. > 2. Plenty of burr comb between supers/hive bodies. > 3. The frames sagged. > >Best way to go, IMHO, is grooved top & bottom bar wood frames, with >either Dadant's Plasticell foundation or Mann Lake's Plastic >foundation. Just pop the foundation in. That give me the the good >properties of plastic foundation without the problems that I had with >Pierco's plastic frames. > >Cheers, >John > >================================================ >John Caldeira >Dallas, Texas >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ >================================================ -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 10612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!dynppp-204.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dynppp-204.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10612 I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of plastic pails. Thanks Article 10613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: candle molds Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:54:19 -0500 Lines: 20 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 Message-ID: <34a800cc.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10613 You need to contact Mrs. Lynne Ivie of Diamond I Farms in Unadilla GA. She can probably tell you anything you want to know about making beeswax candles. Here's their E-mail... DiamondI@Corinthian.net C. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at...[http://www.hom.net/~beeman] Article 10614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com> Subject: Re: Pierco plastic frames? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:40:55 -0500 Lines: 34 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.50 Message-ID: <34a7fda9.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.voicenet.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10614 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:10 I've tried the one-piece frames but I don't like them. I prefer the plastic foundation only that snaps into the wood frame. Try the ones that are black in color. They're much easier to spot eggs in. I've found it's best not to mix them with the regular wax foundation in any one hive. Either use one or the other. Chip -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] [http://www.hom.net/~beeman] malbisse wrote in message <34a6b3d2.6778568@news.ioa.com>... >Hello -- > >Does anyone here have any experience with the plastic frames made by >Pierco? I'm not talking about the plastic foundation that they make >for regular, wooden frames -- I mean the one-piece plastic >frame-and-foundation. > >I'd like to know if they really are accepted by the bees, and if >Pierco's claims that they result in more brood, varroa resistance >because of the smaller cell, and increased production because of 15% >more surface area are true or just marketing hype. > >Thanks > >geoff malbisse Article 10615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa treatment UK Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:46:26 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10615 For UK beekeepers Check out the MAFF (EU) directive on medicants at Honey is only mentioned once (I think) along with animal carcasses et. al. I wonder if some of those clever Members of Parliament still believe that bees are created in the body of an ox? The part about "The owner of an establishment of initial processing of animal products shall keep such records.....to enable the animals from which those animal products were derived,..... to be identified." Well, One worker bee looks pretty much like another to me. Or am I getting to be too cynical in my old age? -- Tom Article 10616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 03:13:58 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 28 Message-ID: <01bd14d0$eec0ae80$1a9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-12.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10616 Francis Miquet wrote in article ... > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > plastic pails. Pop the lid up so it ain't sealed tight. Put down in a Canner (big metal kettle) something to keep the plastic up off the bottom of the kettle a titch. Put your crystalized honey bucket on top of your "raiser(s)". Add water in the Canner (making a "double boiler" of sorts). Put it on low heat on the stove. It will take a while but you can (I have) reliquefy FULLY crystalized (no liquid) buckets thataway. Of course be sure to use low heat and don't let the water level get too low. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apitherapist St. Louis Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:10:13 -0800 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34A89045.534E@fidnet.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-103.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10617 Does anybody know of an apitherapist in greater St. Louis? The apiatherapy society gave my name to the lady but I am a bottled venom guy as was the other close by name. She would like to do live bees - something I will learn next spring when I have hives. Article 10618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com!cc404921-a.twsn1.md.home.com!user From: Webmaster@scienceguide.com (Robert W. 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According to a new analysis from University of California, Berkeley, when the boomers become the elderly of the future, they will have impressive numbers of stepchildren and stepgrandchildren, expanding the numbers of family members on whom they may rely, if necessary. -- Robert Georgantas BS, MS, PhD (candidate) Researcher in Experimental Immunotheraputics Department of Pharmacology and Molecular Sciences The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Also publisher of: The Science Guide The World Wide Web News and Information Service for Scientists http://www.scienceguide.com Article 10619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:06:03 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34A88F4B.FA2@teleport.com> References: Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-03.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: Francis Miquet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10619 Hello, I have an insulated box that will hold a couple of buckets. I use a hot plate to keep the box warm. It takes a couple of days at around 115 degrees to thoroughly liquify the honey. You could also buy a bucket hearter that wraps around the bucket and warms it. Good Luck, Paul Francis Miquet wrote: > > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty laborious. Does anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > plastic pails. > > Thanks Article 10620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.crafts.brewing Subject: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey. Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:21:41 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34A892F5.6665@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-03.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10620 rec.crafts.brewing:151618 Hello, For Sale: 60# buckets of Oregon Meadowfoam Honey - $84/bucket. If you haven't tried Meadowfoam honey, you're missing a really tasty honey. It has a unique vanilla flavor. A local food vendor uses it for all his homemade softdrinks. It's also a great brewing honey. Meadowfoam is a oil seed crop that is being developed in Oregon. The oil is an environmentally friendly alternative to Sperm Whale oil. For more information on the plant check out: http://loco.ucdavis.edu/~plotkin/limnanthes.html I'd be glad to ship anywhere in the US. Contact me for shipping rates. They're really not that bad. I can accept Visa, MC, Amex. Paul Cauthorn Cascadia Hop Company www.teleport.com/~pbc/hops/ Article 10621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-246.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:42:49 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34a8c30a.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10621 Francis Miquet wrote in message ... >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > >Thanks Stand the bucket in a tub of hot water, or store in a warm place until it softens. An electric warming jacket may be of use. Be careful only to warm the honey, as too much heat will affect its properties. (Flavour, colour etc.) John Article 10622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Supers? Date: 30 Dec 1997 11:44:18 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10622 I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. Is it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much "cold space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free from "critters". Article 10623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news-nb.rutgers.edu!brinkley.rutgers.edu!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.69.104.3!ddi2.digital.net!not-for-mail From: byrdnospam@gnc.net (Byrd Harrison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 12:50:47 GMT Organization: Byrd's Boats Lines: 9 Message-ID: <68aqn7$7o0$1@ddi2.digital.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-16.globe-net.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10623 In article , fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) says: > >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > >Thanks Have you tried placing buckets in hot water? Article 10624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 30 Dec 1997 06:53:20 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19971230065301.BAA15325@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10624 From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. Two ways: #1 is the least labor but requires more equipment 1. Put the honey in a cabinet, and hold it for 24 hours at 105 degrees F, or adjust to fit your honey's characteristics. We use a commercial dough warming cabinet, which has a thermostat and timer. They can also be made from an old refrigerator (the insulated box), a light fixture, incandescant bulb (adjust wattage to work), a thermostatic control. The timer is an optional convenience, but don't forget the honey is there. A candy thermometer is also a good check. You can search the archives for plans. 2. Use a large pressure canner with its wire basket or a bunch of jar lids to keep the pail from making contact with the bottom of the canner. Set the pail in a water bath on low heat. You can try various time/temp combinations to get liquification, but use a candy thermometer to be sure you never get above 125F, or you'll start getting off flavors. Too hot, and you can also melt the plastic enough to give an off flavor. Don't leave it on the heat longer than needed to liquify either. You can buy electric strap heaters that surround the pails from some bee supply places. I have never tried one, as I have been told by more than one, that it is too much heat concentrated on one point, and carmelizes the honey. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:45:26 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> References: Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Francis Miquet X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10625 Francis, All the suggestions you've gotten are good ones. We've used them all. About the strap-on pail heaters: We discovered that wrapping a sheet of aluminum (light guage - ~1/32 inch thick & sized to cover the entire pail) around the pail, wrapping the heater around the aluminum sheet, popping the cover off the pail, and regularly stirring the honey in the pail (every 20-30 minutes or so, we use a three foot long wooden spoon) heats the honey evenly and is faster than the water bath method. I suspect that those who've had bad luck with them either haven't done something to distribute the heat more evenly or didn't attend to the honey closely enough. If crystallized honey is likely to be an isolated event for you, use the water method as it is likely that you already have everyrthing you need to do it. Be sure to follow Dave Green's advice and get the pail up off the bottom of the pot... melted plastic & honey in a pot of hot water? hope i never have the pleasure of seeing that! If you're likely to see large pails of crystallized honey regularly (a few a year) but are not handy or don't have the time or money to build a heating cabinet, the pail heater with the sheet of aluminum would handle your needs well. For any quantity of honey (or for someone who likes to build neat stuff) a heating cabinet of some type is WONDERFUL. Kathy Francis Miquet wrote: > I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > > Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does > anyone > have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out > of > plastic pails. > > Thanks Article 10626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:32:40 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34A92228.52F3@teleport.com> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-07.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10626 Hello, For Sale: 60# buckets of Oregon Meadowfoam Honey - $84/bucket. If you haven't tried Meadowfoam honey, you're missing a really tasty honey. It has a unique vanilla flavor. A local food vendor uses it for all his homemade softdrinks. It's also a great brewing honey. Meadowfoam is a oil seed crop that is being developed in Oregon. The oil is an environmentally friendly alternative to Sperm Whale oil. For more information on the plant check out: http://loco.ucdavis.edu/~plotkin/limnanthes.html I'd be glad to ship anywhere in the US. Contact me for shipping rates. They're really not that bad. I can accept Visa, MC, Amex. Paul Cauthorn Cascadia Hop Company www.teleport.com/~pbc/hops/ Article 10627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-206.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:11:52 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34a955af.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <19971230065301.BAA15325@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10627 A 'CREAMER', like a long handled potato masher, agitated up and down, FIERCELY, as the honey melts/softens will help to prevent re-crystallization. I don't know why, but it does! John Article 10628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beenet Uk Message-ID: <883504699@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:58:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/118 258fcb6a PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00015 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10628 Hello Beekeepers You might have heard of Beenet (The Beekeeping network for beekeepers). We run dialup mail systems across Europe and UK. Beenet Host for UK run by Steven Turner in London is looking for new members to join Each new beenet member is sent a software package which is pre-configured so install is simple. Using Fidonet technology and a modem your computer dials a London number and mail transfers take place. Why bother with Beenet ? 1. All beekeeping conferences/newsgroups/mailing list/beenet conferences all in ONE PLACE.. 2. Access to a massive file database of beekeeping files. 3. Local beekeeping chat areas like the Kent Beekeeping Association conference . Others can be setup on request. 4. Its FREE to use and take part. See my website for instructions on joining beenet http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~beeman/ Regards Steve --- * Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) Article 10629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees working Palm trees Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:40:06 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34A98656.315C@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.249.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10629 I just came back from Miami and, while I was there, I went to the Miami Zoo. The entrance of the zoo is landscaped with various species of palms including coconut and palmetto. One of the palms had small coconut shaped fruit about the size of ping-pong balls. When you squeezed these they had an outer soft yellow cover and an inner harder portion. When you squeezed you also got a sticky clear fluid that oozed out. I noticed that many honey bees were harvesting this "nectar". I tasted it and it had a mild sweet taste. Does anyone know about this palm and about any honey produced from it? Thanking all in advance. Lalo Article 10630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: organic honey Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 03:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <9712282016252857@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <17B6F96B9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> Lines: 87 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10630 PURE, NATURAL, ORGANIC It could be argued that Honey, all Honey is described by the above, but in a regulated market if you are selling a generic product like honey there are rules, regulations, and soon new taxes for those who for the most part been using negative advertising on their honey labels. Maybe they are getting what they deserve but what worries me more is the public is going to get a new government program that will do nothing to improve the honey they may want to consume and be no more then another official government licensed rip off. Negative advertising is when you put something on your label that would say to the public that it is different for others who do not have the same on their label. Honey is honey, "pure" honey, or "natural", or "organic" are used to show a difference between one honey over another, when their may be no difference that can be detected by the consumer as all honey it is hoped is pure, natural, and organic. Yes those who want to join the green market with their honey and label it as being different then other honey with the words "ORGANIC" will have a chance to prove their faith in big brother and add an additional tax expense to their business of $50. per bee "organic" bee yard and $500. per "organic" Honey House. It is interesting in many retail market's all this will extra expense not allow the seller to receive any extra charges as those who police the pricing do not recognize label changes as good reason to charge more. Some of the rules for "organic" honey seemed to have come from the bureaucratic asylum, especially those that require inspections of the so called "organic" pasture the organic beekeeper's bee's are working to make that organic honey and the idea that this could be done by our government at any cost is more orgasmic then organic. Like all good government regulation there are easy outs for those who have the gold, and if you have about $30,000.00 you can be made your own "organic" honey inspector and not have big brother blowing smoke up your noise, or for some like off shore organic providers they can get the job done for $40.00 per hour. Even the sugar fed by the organic beekeeper will have to be grown and processed the organic way. What a crock of bad smelling organic stuff this new regulation is and it will be law soon enough if a lot of someone's don't take the time and effort to read the fine print and soon as the comment period will be closed before you can read the entire rule. You can check it out in detail and download the whole mess searching the government sites using "nop" or start by going to this government urinal and work back from there. http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/rule/20513.htm>http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/rul e/20513.htm Just a little of what you will find: =A7205.13 Livestock feed. (iv) Bees from which organic honey and other products are harvested shall have access to forage organically produced in accordance with the requirements specified in 205.3 through 205.11 so as to comprise the predominant portion of their forage needs. (2) Non-agricultural products provided as vitamin or mineral supplements may be used to satisfy the health requirements of livestock under organic management, Provided, That a synthetic supplement is included on the list of synthetic substances permitted for use in livestock production provided for in =A7205.24. Of course antibiotics are not permitted, you will find mega bytes of reading, but if you look you will find a order blank for a hard copy if you are into it or you can download the whole thing. I hope those who are interested will get in this tread as I would like to hear from some defenders of this regulation who think that paying more taxes to the government will make their honey any better then anyone else, or think they will get more money for it at the super market. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ***NOTE*** You can print this picture..... Article 10631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!1-55.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:36:04 -0400 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 5045@206.103.0.69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10631 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to many mead-related sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ Article 10632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Supers? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:57:23 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <68c8qo$nh5@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> References: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.155.234 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10632 gbees@worldnet.att.net It may be OK but I would at least put the inner cover below the supers to reduce that space. Personally, I prefer to take them off. DncMcCloud wrote in message <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com>... >I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one >honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. Is >it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much "cold >space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free >from "critters". Article 10633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter Supers? Date: 31 Dec 1997 11:14:33 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bd15dd$2793df40$0168afce@default> References: <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com> <68c8qo$nh5@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn100-001.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.deshaw.com!news.web.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10633 I winter my bees in single deeps with spare supers underneath.I feel the bees may cross from frame to frame without having to contact the sides or the bottom board.Early spring exam,frame swapping,and splitting,is much easier.Also the bees are away from the entrance. -- E.L.Scofield Sideline Beekeeper Virginia Beach,VA.USA > DncMcCloud wrote in message > <19971230114401.GAA25651@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > >I have three hives in eastern Tennessee. Each of the hives has one > >honey-filled deep box and two empty (drawn, but empty foundation) supers. > Is > >it alright to leave the empty supers on top or will it create too much > "cold > >space"? I am storing the supers on the hives to keep them "clean" and free > >from "critters". Article 10634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.170.121.3!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: William Bradshaw Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: snow Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:55:14 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34AAA321.F8AFC355@stc.net> Reply-To: wmb@stc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: max5-4.stc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10634 We've had some snow here in north Georgia ,my question, is it important to keep the snow wiped away from the bee entrance. I'am thinking the bees could smother or something. Article 10635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.213.232.11!news.pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: "Joseph J. Bray" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old beekeeping books Date: 31 Dec 1997 23:28:08 GMT Organization: PCNet -- Connecticut's Internet Service Provider. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd1634$b1eaafa0$71e8d5cc@dynamic.pcnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-pt13.pcnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10635 Experienced beekeepers as well as novices know the value of bee books. Old classic beekeeping books are increasingly hard to find though. I have for sale a number of classic used and antiquarian bee books by such authors as Langstroth, Bevan, Root, Pellett, Quinby, B.F. Beck, Huber, and many others. For a free list send me an email at jbray@pcnet.com or write to me: Joseph J. Bray, PO Box 203305, New Haven, CT 06520. Thanks for your time. Article 10636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:43:28 +0000 From: "Dennis W. Pierce" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.212.107 Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.212.107 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10636 Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in Seattle. Article 10637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Alaska Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 06:58:38 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1994@24.234.6.36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10637 Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about moving there. mark Article 10638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 1 Jan 1998 04:41:01 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19980101044101.XAA03561@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10638 From: "Dennis W. Pierce" >Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. >They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in >Seattle. Um....... you didn't leave an excluder on them did you? Bees move up and leave the queen behind to freeze. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: snow Date: 1 Jan 1998 04:46:01 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19980101044601.XAA04039@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34AAA321.F8AFC355@stc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10639 From: William Bradshaw >We've had some snow here in north Georgia ,my question, is it important >to keep >the snow wiped away from the bee entrance. I'am thinking the bees could >smother >or something. > It is a good idea to have an upper entrance, for ventilation, and excess moisture removal. If you do, don't worry about snow. If you don't, I still wouldn't worry about ordinary snow, because it will breathe. But heavy wet snow, or rain and snow mix, especially, if it freezes into a hard, dense crust, can kill bees in tight equipment. I've had it happen here in coastal in a late spring storm. Of course a rapidly building hive in the spring is more vulnerable because their metabolic rate is faster. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!nntp.texas.net!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Alaska Date: 1 Jan 1998 05:08:19 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd1673$3e713aa0$1e9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-16.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10640 Mark wrote in article <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com>... > Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about > moving there. There are Alaskan beekeepers. We had one that spoke at the Michigan Beekeepers Association Fall Meeting in 1997. From what he said the big trick is learning to really be good at overwintering. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Article 10641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa treatment UK Message-ID: <883617910@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:42:26 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 2552334c REPLY: 240:44/0 726e587e PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(163) Hallo Tom Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10641 Thanks for the HMSO address, I sent you an Email but the system was down until ten minutes ago. I was only able to get the Statutory Instrument an hour ago. You are right about honey. I believe there is a gaping hole in this legislation, bees are insects not animals although it was reported earlier in 1997 that they would be called food producing animals. Excellent for legal debate!! Bees are not mentioned!! In order to know how this might be interpreted one needs to know how the European Court in Luxemburg ruled. I wrote to both the Court and the Belgian Government but neither replied, may be that is because I am English even though I wrote Flemish. T> For UK beekeepers T> Check out the MAFF (EU) directive on medicants at T> T> Honey is only mentioned once (I think) along with animal T> carcasses et. al. I wonder if some of those clever Members of T> Parliament still believe that bees are created in the body of T> an ox? We must all write to our members of Parliament and our MEP's as well to impress on them that we require the ability to fight Varroa, We learn the Fluvalinate resistant mites are now in Northern France and Belgie. If we are not successful in getting the changes we require then we MUST petition Strasburg as is our RIGHT!!! We must also encourage all the European beekeepers to join us whether we or they keep bees for a hobby or a business. We must have the right to use medicaments that have been properly researched and are regarded as safe as may be and are registered for use in an EU state other than our own. In the same vein I believe other researched but unregistered chemicals should be given EU funding to have them registered for use throughout the EU. I think of formic acid and other products. T> The part about "The owner of an establishment of initial T> processing of animal products shall keep such records.....to T> enable the animals from which those animal products were T> derived,..... to be identified." Well, One worker bee looks T> pretty much like another to me. Or am I getting to be too T> cynical in my old age? You are not so cynical that you wouldn't enjoy seeing a goverment bureacrat trying to ear tag some of your bees though!!" ( o l o ) === Best wishes for the new year Peter Hutton from the Garden of England peter.hutton@btinternet.com T> -- T> Tom --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Alaska Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:37:18 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <68fh1o$ng2$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp11.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10642 In article <68f0ul$1ua$1@usenet89.supernews.com>, "Mark" wrote: >Is it possible to have hives in Alaska, is it too cold? I'm thinking about >moving there. > >mark > > > Yes, of course! I have heard that the bees in those northern climes, like Montana and Wyoming, for example, are so busy during those relatively short flowering seasons that they can actually produce as much as bees in the more temperate climes like here in So. Cal. Article 10643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34AC0B74.11A3@accessatlanta.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0800 From: don@accessatlanta.com Reply-To: don@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: NOSPAM Subject: Re: Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians References: <349ef5dd.3504815@news> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.6.25 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!32.100.6.25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10643 NOSPAM Ron Neves wrote: > > What are the pros & cons for a beginning Bee keeper using the > Yugo ARS-Y-C-1 vs the Grey Caucasians? > > Thanks > > Ron Neves Ron I have tried the yugo bees with no success. We live in the metro Atlanta area this should be about the same climate as you. I realy wished the yugo bees would have worked being of Yugo decent myself. Don Article 10644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:14:10 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10644 We have a large warming cabinet, but another technique we use is to wrap a "yard sale" waterbed heater around the bucket (with the thermocouple in the honey about one inche from the side) and set the temp to 95 degrees. We pick these up at yard sales for about a buck or two and were amazed at how well they worked. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FS: Meadowfoam Honey / great brewing honey. Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:18:56 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19980101211800.QAA18439@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A892F5.6665@teleport.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10645 Meadowfoam honey is all Paul says it is and more. It is now our best selling honey. You can also fond out more about the unique crops at http://members.aol.com/beetools/meadow97.htm Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:42:38 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19980101214200.QAA23969@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980101044101.XAA03561@ladder02.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10646 You didn't give enough info or history on you hive to make an indepth "guess", but since you are here in the Northwest and the way you describe the deadout, I'd suspect that tracheal mites were you problem. The best way to deal with t. mites in the Northwest is with grease patties (canolia oil mixed with granulated sugar to a patty consistancy) without any terramycin (Dr. Deleplane's recent research indicates that TM in patties is at to low a concentration to achieve the treatment goals and can lead to AFB TM resistance). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee beetools@aol.com http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Site Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:54:02 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19980101215400.QAA22838@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10647 Luckiamute Bee and beetools is up and running. Ron Bennett, former ditor of the Orgeon State Beekeepers and OSBA webmaster has built a new site with far more information on beekeeping, bee issues, grower concerns ond information, and the "find a beekeeper" for pollination page. Lots of new pages and an online beekeeping catalog and order form. Visit it at - http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:22:03 GMT Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp71.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10648 On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500, fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) wrote: >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of >plastic pails. > Besides the good suggestions on how to heat it- Maybe you just want to make some mead, (see if you can find a whiskey barrel at a container store, or a brew store) or if you can get a very fine crystalization going, then you've got a premium product, and de-crystalizing will just reduce it's value (depends on your local market of course) Article 10649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Hives Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 07:32:31 -0600 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 39 Message-ID: <68iqp6$1lt$1@excalibur.flash.net> References: <683p8t$g7q$1@news.u-net.net> <19971228152301.KAA19757@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd13f5$62f3c4e0$2d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h56asc1-190.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10649 Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote: > > Pollinator wrote in article > <19971228152301.KAA19757@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > > In article <683p8t$g7q$1@news.u-net.net>, "Chris Evans" > > writes: > > > > >If I were to make a hive from that twin walled insulated > plastic they use > > for > > >roofing > > would the bees use it and if not why not > > regards > > > > I'm not acquainted with the material, but wonder how bees will > ventilate excess > > moisture. Wood breathes, even painted wood, but I doubt that a > plastic material > > would. > > At one point here in the USA you could buy plastic hives. One > hobbyist I know still has some and the bees do well in them here > in MI. He has not always lived here in MI and at present I > cannot recall whether he moved here from the West or the East > with his plastic hives. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Onsted, MI > USA > e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com > Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ I am another hobbyist using the plastic hives and love them. They have been in continuous service for over ten years, never painted and in as good condition today as when I bought them, I do wish I could get some more. You can get the tops and bottoms from Kelly but not the bodies. You mentioned in an previous post that you had iron in your water and used a water softener. I learned the hard way that you will also need an iron filter, if interested email me at vsp@flash.net Article 10650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 2 Jan 1998 11:12:48 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd176f$3c01c6c0$076eafce@default> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn112-007.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.deshaw.com!news.web.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10650 Are you ABSOLUTELY sure they're dead? Take a handfull indoors and see. Dennis W. Pierce wrote in article <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net>... > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. > > Article 10651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:04:09 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34ADAAA9.2ADD@ix.netcom.com> References: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca33-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jan 02 9:15:35 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10651 BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:47:21 -0500, fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca > (Francis Miquet) wrote: > > >I have my honey stored in plastic buckets and it has all crystallized. > >Scooping it out by hand and melting it is pretty labourious. Does anyone > >have any suggestions on how to bulk remove and process the honey out of > >plastic pails. > > > > Besides the good suggestions on how to heat it- Maybe you just want to > make some mead, (see if you can find a whiskey barrel at a container > store, or a brew store) or if you can get a very fine crystalization > going, then you've got a premium product, and de-crystalizing will > just reduce it's value (depends on your local market of course) Would you mind explaining a bit more about why crystallized honey is useful for making mead? Thanks Vivian Article 10652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!ppp-84-17.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter Vacation... Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:28:20 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-84-17.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10652 We have had an unusual thaw up here in the NorthEast for the past few days, and my very dormant hive has become very active with outside activity. I put out some soyprotein mixed with sugar as a "snack" to hopefully keep them near the hive when it turns real cold again. The bees love it which leads me to wonder... would this indicate that they are short of food in the hive., or are they just stocking up what ever they find before the big freeze comes back, and just having fun from being cooped up in the hive? -I- -- _ /_/_ .'''. =O(_)))) ...' `. \_\ `. .'''B'zzzzzzzzzzz `..' /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" / Y jo o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ / "~" | I AM HAVING A Y _, | BAD /| ;-"~ _ l HARE DAY / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y* l I ! ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- April 1993- November 15, 1997 Ira_seskin@bmugbos.org for e-mail, but NO attachments iraseski@xensei.com for e-mail WITH attachments "Live Free or Die" Article 10655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "Roger Post" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Science News Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:32:38 -0500 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <68m74c$55o@news2.tds.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blmiusr0-a21.btc-bci.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22475 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10655 sci.agriculture.fruit:1372 sci.agriculture.poultry:4092 sci.agriculture.ratites:1063 Robert W. Georgantas III wrote in message ... >Sign up for the SCIENCE GUIDE DAILY NEWS UPDATE. > Robert: Thanks for the information. I signed up. It seems to have lots of information I might be interested in. Thanks Roger Article 10656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.199.144.108!alpine.psnw.com!news.nas.com!not-for-mail From: hox@nas.com (John or Sonja Hoxeng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: 3 Jan 1998 21:26:08 GMT Organization: The Furs Lines: 16 Message-ID: <68madg$5qq$1@barad-dur.nas.com> References: <34A91716.E0682782@ne.mediaone.net> <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-d24.nas.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10656 In article <19980101211401.QAA20342@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) says: > >We have a large warming cabinet, but another technique we use is to wrap a >"yard sale" waterbed heater around the bucket (with the thermocouple in the >honey about one inche from the side) and set the temp to 95 degrees. We pick >these up at yard sales for about a buck or two and were amazed at how well they >worked. > >Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee >beetools@aol.com >http://members.aol.com/beetools Great idea! I even had a waterbed heater in the closet. BTW I found out why you have to keep the thermocouple near the edge of the bucket. -John Article 10657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: "THE WHITNEY'S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a new hive Date: 3 Jan 1998 22:33:50 GMT Organization: MO MONEY Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney> NNTP-Posting-Host: mimi2-a02.mill.tds.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10657 I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it would cost and where I could find a queen bee and the rest of the material I would need to start a new hive in mid Michigan Article 10658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.103.30.111!news.idsc.gov.eg!not-for-mail From: Amr Farouk Subject: I am importer & I want Honey prices & specifics offers Message-ID: <147ce$3cc.3a4@news.idsc.gov.eg> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:12:12 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10658 I am importer & I want prices & specifics offers Please send me information about the bee Honey 1 - Places of product (Geographical) 2 - Prices in trade's quantity (Filtered or unfiltered) 3 - The prices for every kind (Clover , Wild , Orange ..... etc) 4 - The prices in Kg 4 - Analysis dgrees ( if available ) 5 - Sample of your honey for every kind (Clover , Wild , Orange ..... etc) note : I would pay any excpenses nedd for the sample note 2 : all the documents must be validated I hope to recive the offers soon ( better on my private mail ) to make deal with Financial & Commercial Manager Amr Farouk Abd El Shafy Imtenan Trade & Export Co. Tel:(202) 2414460 --- (202) 2491225 --- (202) 2493831 Fax :(202) 2412945 E-mail: imtenan@stealthmail.com Adress : 6 Emarat El Qewat el Mosalaha , Gesr El Swais st . Cairo , Egypt Article 10659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sunflowers as a nectar source Date: 4 Jan 1998 05:29:05 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <19980104052900.AAA12479@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10659 In article <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net>, george davis writes: >I am new to beekeeping, and have read about differesnt flowers and the effect >they have on the flavor of the honey associated with them. Does anybody have >experience with sunflowers as a nectar source? I have read of other members >of the Asteraceae being used, but haven't seen anything about sunflowers. >Thanks. Sunflowers are a major honey source in the midwest, where there are large acreages. It is sometimes also a danger, when insecticides are illegally used while bees are foraging. It is only a spotty nectar source in most other areas of the country. Around here they are mostly used for dove feed/bait for hunting parties, and the acreages aren't usually very large. The honey is medium color and richer flavored than clover. I've seen honeybees work Jerusalem artichokes (wild sunflowers) in Texas and Oklahoma and expect that is a part of the honeyflow. We have the flower around here as well, but just not in such numbers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a new hive Date: 4 Jan 1998 05:29:04 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19980104052900.AAA09843@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10660 In article <01bd18b3$a8e2f260$c34c89d0@twhitney>, "THE WHITNEY'S" writes: >I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it would cost and where >I could find a queen bee and the rest of the material I would need to start >a new hive in mid Michigan 1. Here's a good starting point with lots of info for a beginner: Dr. Keith Delaplane's beginner guide http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1045-w.html 2. Also you might subscribe to Bee Culture: bculture@aol.com They not only have a lot of good info, but also ads for package bees, nucs, bee equipment, etc. 3. It is wise to connect with a local bee club. Check with your county extension agent to find one. 4. This group has a lot of resources, but it's a good idea to do your groundwork, then come back when you have specific questions. Good luck. We need more beekeepers..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "raphael" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: 4 Jan 1998 11:16:57 GMT Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> Reply-To: "raphael" NNTP-Posting-Host: roberson.isdn.mcnet.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 883912617 22172 (None) 193.5.160.190 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10661 I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. Thank you. -- Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.60.0.212!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "John J. Kriz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supplies Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:41:54 -0500 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 2 Message-ID: <34B00221.784C@snet.net> Reply-To: john.kriz@snet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: smfr01-sh1-port16.snet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SNET (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10662 Try Dadant & Sons for supplies, starter kits, bees. www.dadant.com Alos try a web search under "beekeeping" Article 10663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:34:12 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: "Dennis W. Pierce" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10663 Dennis, Another possibility (besides the excellent suggestions so far) is that something (possibly varroa) decreased their numbers/shortened their life span so that during a cold spell when the cluster couldn't move on the frames to more honey, they all died... rather than the partial cluster dead out that happens in a hive with a large enough population. Were alot of the dead bees head into the cells??? Could they have died earlier in the season and you're just now noticing? Were they beginning to dwindle this fall? More details would help those of us who love a good mystery to solve... Kathy Kathy Dennis W. Pierce wrote: > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan > too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. Article 10664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B02782.23D6@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:21:22 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr@ibm.net Organization: Disorganised X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.68 Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10664 Dennis W. Pierce wrote: > > Our bees have all died, they have honey on them still, and Apistan too. > They are dead in the upper super. Anybody know what's up? I live in > Seattle. How have you made sure they are "dead"....? -- Phil (NM) Article 10665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B02B13.1142CC81@foxinternet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:36:36 -0800 From: Dan Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.35 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10665 I am Dennis's friend, and the bees are kept at my house on Vashon Island Washington. It hasn't been very cold this year, so I was thinking that they might run out of honey, this isn't the case. I'll check and see if they're heads in or out of the hive, but still, they have winter stores thay could have accessed. Going into the fall I noticed a few mites on the bees. I counted about thirteen mites on the 5 hives we had. So on went the Apistan strips which I left on all winter so far. But the bees are dead still, and I'm not certain why. Help if you can. At least we have comb built up, so fresh bees installed this spring won't have to build new comb. Just hard to take the flack from Dennis and my other beekeeping friend Henry who also keeps his bees here....crying about the cost of replacement and such. I told them it's like gardening. If something dies, you replace it, you don't just quit and call it good. Oh well, time to get out the catalogs and see who's bees I'm gonna buy this year. I like Buckfast, so I think I'll go with Weaver. Article 10666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsreader.jvnc.net!not-for-mail From: Daniel C. Haines Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:02:08 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 1 Message-ID: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.146.3.102 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10666 Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. Article 10667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B0355B.12AC@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:20:27 -0700 From: Phil Reply-To: goldpnr@ibm.net Organization: Disorganised X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Dan Kiehnle Subject: Re: dead bees References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> <34B00E64.BC79590A@ne.mediaone.net> <34B02B13.1142CC81@foxinternet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.243.68 Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.243.68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10667 Dan Kiehnle wrote: > > I am Dennis's friend, and the bees are kept at my house on Vashon Island > Washington. > It hasn't been very cold this year, so I was thinking that they might run > out of honey, this isn't the case. I'll check and see if they're heads in or > out of the hive, but still, they have winter stores thay could have > accessed. Going into the fall I noticed a few mites on the bees. I counted > about thirteen mites on the 5 hives we had. So on went the Apistan strips > which I left on all winter so far. But the bees are dead still, and I'm not > certain why. > > Help if you can. At least we have comb built up, so fresh bees installed > this spring won't have to build new comb. Just hard to take the flack from > Dennis and my other beekeeping friend Henry who also keeps his bees > here....crying about the cost of replacement and such. I told them it's like > gardening. If something dies, you replace it, you don't just quit and call > it good. Oh well, time to get out the catalogs and see who's bees I'm gonna > buy this year. I like Buckfast, so I think I'll go with Weaver. Could your neighbors or someone else there have accidently sprayed some insecticide? Have any of the neighbors ever complained, and maybe visited when you weren't home, or put out posioned food or water? (Have the county agent check the existing combs for poison residue.......) If you have an angry neighbor, you will comtinue to lose your bees.... even if they never said a word to you.... they just have to set out poisoned honey water..... Sure hope this is not the case... Could a nursery or other flower source nearby have sprayed and you not know? If all 5 hives are dead... something is going on... they didn't die naturally... -- Phil (NM) Article 10668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 5 Jan 1998 02:42:40 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980105024200.VAA21230@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10668 Warm spell here in southeast CT Bees making good cleansing flights and looking everything over. I kind of like the return of yellow polka dots on the pickup. Article 10669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working Palm trees Date: 5 Jan 1998 04:00:52 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980105040001.XAA02538@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34A98656.315C@earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10669 It's hard to say just which palm it is as Florida has many species with one that is a very good floral source and is the state tree (sabal palm, aka cabbage palm). It could possibly be Queen Ann palm but in any case most all yield nectar and bees love to work them. David Adams Central Florida Article 10670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!news.enta.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard Hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee World Date: 5 Jan 1998 03:47:20 GMT Organization: NEWSplus... Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd198c$dcd67540$1d614ac3@newsplus> NNTP-Posting-Host: warp6-28.entanet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10670 Free reprints of Busy buzzin' the web honey! (article on apiculture on the internet) available. Stamped (or International Reply Coupons) S.A.E. to: Richard Hill (Bee World) 8 Folkestone Court Langley Berkshire SL3 8LX United Kingdom -- Richard Hill - Writer and Journalist NEWSplus... A member of the national Union of Journalists e-mail: richard@newsplus.enta.net URL: http://www.newsplus.enta.net Article 10671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail From: BeeLover@SPAM_OFF.org (Jon Dough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing honey from plastic buckets Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 04:55:09 GMT Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34b065ee.131101595@news.epix.net> References: <34b27964.48028772@news.epix.net> <34ADAAA9.2ADD@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp99.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10671 On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:04:09 -0800, miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >Would you mind explaining a bit more about why crystallized honey is >useful for making mead? > >Thanks Vivian > Just that you can turn it into something valuable without having to mess around with un-crystalizing. I also make a batch of mead every time I extract - it makes cleanup a breeze - rinse everything off with hot water, saveing the rinse, add yeast etc..., and I don't get bummed out for wasting any. Same with crystalized honey that I don't want to make creamed honey out of , or bother to liquify --- make a batch of mead and BLAM ... move on to the next project. Course, I like mead a lot :-> Article 10672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:54:10 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az13-32.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jan 04 8:55:09 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10672 Daniel C. Haines wrote: > Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. I must throw my 10 cents in. Phoenix, AZ, 70 degrees, and all December they were pulling in pollen. In fact, last week I had to remove honey. Article 10673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.dal.ca!news.mtt.net!news-admin From: Greenwood Nursery Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: temperature to kill varroa mite Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:35:59 -0500 Organization: Greenwood Nursery Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ke-ts3-3.glinx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10673 A Michael Seifert has a web page in Germany. He says on it that he sells a machine that uses temperature to kill the varroa mite. Apparantly, 40 degrees celsius kills the varroa mite while it does not in fact harm the brood. Does any one know anything about this? It seems to good to be true. Here is his web page http://www.tu-clausthal.de/idw/archiv/all/mail.876314828.28579.html He sells this machine for 1900.00 marks Article 10674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!uunet!in2.uu.net!news-out.communique.net!communique!recycled.news.erols.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: amaznbeast@aol.com (AmaznBeast) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Magazines Date: 5 Jan 1998 05:22:21 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10674 Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? I am new to this newsgroup, and to beekeeping (really new, don't even have my hives yet). I would really love to subscribe to any magazines that are out there on the subject. If anyone has subscription info and suggestions, please let me know by posting here or Email... Thanks! Article 10675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail From: Werner Leuenberger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:47:39 +0100 Organization: ComAssisT Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34B0AC3A.CC7DAADD@swissonline.ch> References: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-winterthur1-3.spectraweb.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) To: raphael Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10675 Raphael I'm intrested. Discusion in English or German. I live in Dättnau near to Winterthur. I'm looking forward to hear from you and other swiss beekeepers. Werenr Leueneberger raphael schrieb: > I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in > Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I > leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. > Thank you. > -- > Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Magazines Date: 5 Jan 1998 13:17:05 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 47 Message-ID: <01bd19dc$2a573620$3d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-47.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10676 AmaznBeast wrote in article <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? I am new to this newsgroup, and > to beekeeping (really new, don't even have my hives yet). I would really love > to subscribe to any magazines that are out there on the subject. If anyone has > subscription info and suggestions, please let me know by posting here or > Email... Thanks! > My personal preference is for "American Bee Journal" put out by Dadant & Sons. American Bee Journal 51 S. 2nd St. Hamilton, IL 62341 In the USA the subscription rates are $17.95 - one year $33.40 - two years $52.95 - three years UNLESS you are a bee club member - they offer a discount to such - check with your bee club for more details and prices. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 10677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.16!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.ratite,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.agriculture.commities Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:28:52 -0700 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 74 Message-ID: <68h1t9$t1n$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.130.230.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:956 alt.agriculture.beef:645 alt.agriculture.fruit:7238 alt.agriculture.misc:9599 alt.agriculture.ratite:321 sci.agriculture:22516 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10677 sci.agriculture.fruit:1373 sci.agriculture.poultry:4110 sci.agriculture.ratites:1067 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has been posted to alt.config, but I'm not getting any response. = Please post your comments. 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------=_NextPart_000_0103_01BD16C1.958284E0-- Article 10678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.62.16!news-incoming.cyberhighway.net!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.dean-stark,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.ratite,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.agriculture.commodities(sorry, typo) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:21:28 -0700 Organization: CyberHighway Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <68h4t7$kf$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.130.230.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:957 alt.agriculture.beef:646 alt.agriculture.fruit:7239 alt.agriculture.misc:9600 alt.agriculture.ratite:322 sci.agriculture:22517 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10678 sci.agriculture.fruit:1374 sci.agriculture.poultry:4111 sci.agriculture.ratites:1068 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BD16C8.EE27D4E0-- Article 10679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!not-for-mail From: Werner Leuenberger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Contact wiht beekeepers in Europe / Switzerland Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:08:13 +0100 Organization: ComAssisT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34B0F75D.8CBD0BCD@swissonline.ch> References: <01bd1901$b879e5a0$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-winterthur1-9.spectraweb.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) To: raphael Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10679 Raphael I'm interested. Discusion in English or German. I live in Dättnau near to Winterthur. I'm looking forward to hear from you and other swiss beekeepers. Werner Leueneberger raphael schrieb: > I would appreciate to get in touch with beekeepers in Switzerland or in > Europe. Please let me know who could be interested in such contacts. I > leave in Switzerland, and I'm fluent in french and german as well. > Thank you. > -- > Raphael.Oberson@com.mcnet.ch Article 10680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wayne Curtis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Following the Bloom Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:49:11 +0000 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B08265.4092@maine.com> Reply-To: curtis@maine.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.152.205 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10680 I received an e-mail from jd's honey headquarters re: a book called "Following the Bloom" I'm trying to track down. I wasn't able to reply via e-mail - it kept getting bounced back. I _would_ like to know what store you believed still had a copy on the shelf. Please send info. Thanks, Wayne Article 10681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:59:14 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <68r3kv$isq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.157.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10681 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GBee's Honey Farm is a mfg. rep. for Dadant, Maxant, Pierce and Everhot = serving the northeast with the best prices in the area. We also truck = bees from York Bee Company for delivery into the area (with pickup at = our farm). Other services include a complete line of supplies for = brewing MEAD, beer and wine and regular classes on beekeeping and = brewing throught the year. =20 We are taking orders now for deliveries of bees on or about April 19th. = We will consider setting up drop points along Interstate 95 for = beekeepers in Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Pennsylvania. Contact us at gbees@worldnet.att.net ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD19D1.57A78EA0-- Article 10682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsgate.tandem.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:45:55 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <68r9p3$8k$1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <34AA762C.96F79742@foxinternet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10682 i winter 500-1000 hives for beekeeps from the north in fla. about 1/3 of these hives were dead when they got here in dec. the mite strips do not work any more. all of these hives had fresh strips in them. the live ones had 15-30 mites on a e-roll. the dead ones looked like yours. Article 10683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.94.128.13!news.javanet.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Following the Bloom Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:41:57 +0000 Organization: JavaNet Cafe Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34B0E323.77A1@javanet.com> References: <34B08265.4092@maine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: armory-us429.javanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) To: curtis@maine.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10683 The author of "Following the Bloom" is Doug Whynott. Try him for a copy. You may be able to reach him at Bridgeman Lane South Hadley, Mass 01075 I also have a phone number though it may not be current. 413 538-2650 Article 10684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net> Subject: Re: Sunflowers as a nectar source Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:22:08 -0500 Lines: 29 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.216.117.45 Message-ID: <34b141f8.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!204.216.117.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10684 In GA, farmers use sunflowers only to attract doves during hunting season so they aren't spraying them. It's an excellent source of pollen and nectar. In the late summer we use these fields for honey production and build up for overwintering. The honey is delicious and you will have plenty of it. It's one of my best sellers. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at...[http://www.hom.net/~beeman] george davis wrote in message <34AE7C16.23C7@mail.sunlink.net>... >I am new to beekeeping, and have read about differesnt flowers and the >effect they have on the flavor of the honey associated with them. Does >anybody have experience with sunflowers as a nectar source? I have read >of other members of the Asteraceae being used, but haven't seen anything >about sunflowers. Thanks. Article 10685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: PETER BUSSELL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: follower boards Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:21:27 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34B15CE7.928@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: peter.bussell@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.185.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 884038877 21356 (None) 206.172.185.28 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-SYMPA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10685 Hi Bkeepers:Can someone tell me (1)what a follower board is and what it is used for and (2) what top board hives are and where I can get information on them. Article 10686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:11:11 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca11-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jan 05 6:19:41 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10686 Simoun wrote: > > Daniel C. Haines wrote: > > > Temp in hi 60's bees doing great here at Harrisburg Pa. > > I must throw my 10 cents in. Phoenix, AZ, 70 degrees, and all December > they were pulling in pollen. In fact, last week I had to remove honey. Vivian wrote: I'll throw in my 10 cents as well. Here in Walnut Creek, in No. Calif, temps have been mild (50 - 60's) and I too had to remove honey last week. Article 10687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Magazines Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:45:53 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34b19701.111050291@news.earthlink.net> References: <19980105052200.AAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com> <01bd19dc$2a573620$3d9182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.155 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10687 AmaznBeast wrote: > Are there any good beekeeping mags out there? > I am new to this newsgroup, and to beekeeping .... First, I want to say that I think you are beginning beekeeping the RIGHT way: read, then invite yourself out to work bees with a local beekeeper, and after that you will probably be very successful with bees! I "ditto" Jack's recommendation of American Bee Journal. It has a good mix of articles of interest to beginners as well as experienced bekeepers. Their web site is at: http://www.dadant.com/abj.htm Bee Culture is another good magazine. It is somewhat more oriented to hobbiests. In the past it has failed to include reports on some of the subjects discussed in other magazines and on this newsgroup (e.g.; innovative mite treatments), but it is still a good source of info. Their web site is at: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:15:48 -0500 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34B185C4.1535@povn.com> References: <68pbeg$eu2$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> <34B06771.A1050411@ix.netcom.com> <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp222.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10688 Just a quick note to keep ya'all in touch with the real world.:-) Here in NE Wash. state we have been in the 30's during the day and 20's at night. Bees safely tucked away in the root cellar for the winter. Chinook wind sarting up tonight so maybe it will get all the way up to 40 tomorrow? Yeah, right! Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 10689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 6 Jan 1998 06:57:55 GMT Lines: 26 Message-ID: <19980106065700.BAA03122@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10689 In article <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com>, miel@ix.netcom.com writes: >I'll throw in my 10 cents as well. Here in Walnut Creek, in No. Calif, > temps have been mild (50 - 60's) and I too had to remove honey last week. From South Carolina: Two gorgeous days in lower 70's, then today pushing awful close to 80. Bees are furiously working wild mustard, and look in very nice shape. Had a little robbing during the rainy weather earlier, and the weak ones have been culled. Started spring feeding today. One gallon each, whether they needed it or not. Boy it's good to be out amongst the bees! Been tied up inside with gift sales, holidays, and illness. Illness may have been due to bee venom withdrawal, now that I've got my minimum daily requirement, I'm good to go. BeeVenomJunkie@aol.com (Pollinator@aol.com) Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!Gamma.RU!srcc!news1.relcom.ru!news.nsk.su!mpeks.tomsk.su!newsserv From: "Vladimir P. Rydzinski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cedar hives? Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 15:51:39 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: NO Message-ID: Sender: news-service@mpeks.tomsk.su Reply-To: bees@rvp.tomsk.su Keywords: cedar X-Return-Path: rvp.tomsk.su!bees@rvp.tomsk.su Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 123 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10690 I searches for information on particularities of cedar hives. Thanks! bees@rvp.tomsk.su rydzinski@hotmail.com Vladimir Article 10691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temp 68 + degrees Date: 6 Jan 1998 12:33:01 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 65 Message-ID: <01bd1a9f$2cee9f40$229182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34B192BF.E37@ix.netcom.com> <19980106065700.BAA03122@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-20.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10691 Pollinator wrote in article <19980106065700.BAA03122@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > From South Carolina: > > Two gorgeous days in lower 70's, then today pushing awful close to 80. From Onsted, Michigan USA (west-northwest of Adrian) - no frost in ground (we had about 3 inches but it is gone now) and yesterday it was around 60F - the mud situation is pathetic as we have not been short on rain. It rained a good bit yesterday as well. Of course unlike you in SC we have got a while to wait for Spring - this here warm spell is just a teaser so we can really appreciate the cold that is pretty surely to follow. However if the Big Guy upstairs should decide to grant us Spring for real starting right now (and NO surprise frost later on) well ya wouldn't see me crying about it - except maybe a few tears of joy. If we got to vote on the ideal winter I think I would opt for having nice FAll weather up until about 15-22 Dec - then a snap into freezing and guaranteed snow cover - then along about 28 Dec - 4 Jan winter could be over and head right on into Spring. >Boy it's good to be out amongst the bees! This is the one of the two main things missed about making trips to FL. That and seeing beekeeper friends I otherwise rarely if ever see. However I surely don't miss the LONG drive. > Illness may have been due to bee venom withdrawal, now that I've got my > minimum daily requirement, I'm good to go. Sorry to hear you were feeling poorly Dave - glad to hear you are feeling perkyier now. So what is you MDR of bee venom? And what were your symptoms that may have been due to withdrawal? -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * A gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as likely to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim in that household? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 10692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: follower boards Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 07:48:15 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <17ED66DC2S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <34B15CE7.928@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10692 In article <34B15CE7.928@sympatico.ca> on Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:21:27 -0500 Peter Bussell wrote: > >Hi Bkeepers:Can someone tell me (1)what a follower board is and what it >is used for Follower Boards are slim boards that take the place of a frame in a hive. I first heard of them in _Honey_in_the_Comb_ by Eugene Killion where he includes measured drawings (although I found his measurements to be a bit shallow for a standard Langstroth deep). Killion uses two fbs, one at each side of the hive body with 9 frames between. Claimed benefits for the fbs are: insulation between the last frame and the hive wall so the queen lays right up to the outside edge of the frame, better air circulation within the hive and when working the hive, removing a fb gives room to move the other frames. I have heard other beekeepers describe a fatter fb only one of which isre used in a hive body. The fb is the first 'frame' removed in hive inspection, the next frame is examined and placed back where the fb was, subsequent frames are examined and replaced flush with the previous frame and the last thing replaced in the hive is the fb (hence the name: 'follower' board. The only place I know of to purchase fbs is Rossman Apiaries in Moultree, Ga. I like them very much and use them in all my hives. >and (2) what top board hives are and where I can get information on them. Not sure unless you mean 'top bar' hives in which case you should surf to James Satterfield's top bar hive page at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Jim is the master of top bar hive beekeeping. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!166.82.1.9!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: "aj725" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have a link Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:59:20 -0000 Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <68tut3$sk0$1@ralph.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.158.243 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10693 I have a link that might interest beekeepers http://www.angelfire.com/nc/stickmanfive the site contains a good link to information any beekeeper could use. Feel free to send comments about the page....I would like to improve, but I need some more ideas. Article 10694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax/location Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:14:21 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn018-174.cybertours.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kenn018-174.cybertours.com Message-ID: <34b2905a.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!kenn018-174.cybertours.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10694 Greetings! Can someone help this person? Polly Lisbon Tue Jan 6 00:28:27 1998 Location: Ivy's Herbal Delights, Los Angeles, CA E-mail: xlisbox@brandx.net Comments:Very creative site. I am interested in large quantities of beeswax from a reliable, high quality source. -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 10696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-200.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cedar hives? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:52:07 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34b35f34.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10696 Vladimir P. Rydzinski wrote in message ... >I searches for information on particularities >of cedar hives. Thanks! The most important property of Western Red Cedar is it's resistance to decay, so it can be used untreated, thereby avoiding poisoning bees with preservatives, creosote, etc. John Article 10697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Green Season in California Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:04:51 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Lines: 50 Message-ID: <34b3b045.26158519@news.calwest.net> Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: nc7-21-184.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10697 Its the Green Season in California and El Nino has produced some early rains in amounts close to normal and much below last season. More rain is expected and beekeepers are hoping for a longer then normal wildflower season and the potential for a good crop. The bees are wintering well and beekeepers have been using their time to feed light hives, some have moved bees from holding sites that could get very wet to the Almond Orchards. For the first time at least one local beekeeper reports renting small lots of bees at $50.00 per hive. Other out of state beekeepers are advertising in the newspapers for $35.00, I am sure this is may be a case of one beekeepers knowing the value of his bees over another knowing the condition his are in. Cool weather in the San Jouquin Valley has kept the bees in most of the time which is normal. The first spring wild flowers are close to blooming in the central costal areas. Almond trees are dormant and have a average bud set. Growers still are putting on their dormant sprays. Many trips are being made to the main Central California beekeeping supply warehouse and I have added their address for those who don't know it. Dadant's has all types of beekeeping supplies in stock and has bee feed and competitive prices for all beekeepers. ttul, the OLd Drone Dadant & Sons P.O. Box 2837 2765 South Golden State Blvd. Fresno,CA 93745-2837 Ph 209-495-0230 Fax 209-495-0232 Take Highway 99 to E. Jensen Ave. Go East on E. Jensen Ave to Golden State Blvd. Proceed South on Golden State Blvd. The Branch in on the right side of the road going South. Bee sure and tell Pat the OLd Drone sent you and ask for your special gift. For a map on how to find the place go to: http://www.dadant.com/fres.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B3BAE1.20AE@fareway.on.ca> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:26:57 -0500 From: Jim Fare Reply-To: fareway@bconnex.net Organization: Fareway X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Starting beekeeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!rpc1283.ncr.com!rpc1286!rpc1285.daytonoh.ncr.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10698 Greetings all, I am thinking of taking up beekeeping. My grandfather used to keep bees but has recently passed away. What do I need to get started and when do I want to set up the hives? I would like to have two hives near Barrie, ON and two near Kitchener/Waterloo, ON. I'm not sure what state the supers are in or even if I should use them. All his equipment has been unused for about 8 years and has been over-run with wasps. I'm sure the extractors are ok with a bit of cleaning though. Any suggestions? [J.F.] Article 10699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:59:24 -0500 From: Jim Fare Reply-To: jimjr@nospam.fareway.on.ca Organization: Fareway X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bee sting alergies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.0.51!spamkiller.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!rpc1283.ncr.com!rpc1286!rpc1285.daytonoh.ncr.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10699 alt.folklore.urban:392351 BTW, my grandfather always claimed that beekeepers' sons were allergic to bees. Any proof or anecdotal evidence for this? [J.F.] http://www.fareway.on.ca/walter.html Article 10700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nudist Beekepers Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:41:03 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34B3F66F.198F@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.249.30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10700 Heard today on the Paul Harvey radio program: "The American Nudist Association polled the membership and learned that the most favorite hobby was swimming...the least favorite... raising honey bees"! :> Article 10827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advertising on ngs Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:26:07 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Lines: 60 Message-ID: <34bd1e2a.12918799@news.calwest.net> References: <34bcbc2b.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: nc2-20-118.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10827 On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0000, "John Flemming" wrote: >Is advertising permitted on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? I have nothing to >advertise myself, but when others ask for details of good suppliers, I am >often tempted to provide details of my two favourite proprietary UK >equipment suppliers. Is this OK? >John Yes and NO! Advertising that is topical to this news group will be tolerated, but advertising of the SPAM or Junk mail will not. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California ... He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, This is the kind of advertisement that is topical: Dadant & Sons P.O. Box 2837 2765 South Golden State Blvd. Fresno,CA 93745-2837 Ph 209-495-0230 Fax 209-495-0232 Take Highway 99 to E. Jensen Ave. Go East on E. Jensen Ave to Golden State Blvd. Proceed South on Golden State Blvd. The Branch in on the right side of the road going South. Bee sure and tell Pat the OLd Drone sent you and ask for your special gift. For a map on how to find the place go to: http://www.dadant.com/fres.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1997 ALMOND Crop revised upward! Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:47:43 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Lines: 44 Message-ID: <34be203f.13452007@news.calwest.net> Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: nc2-20-118.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10828 Beekeepers should be congratulated for a job well done! According to a MODEST BEE newspaper Business Section article of January 10, 1998 the Almond harvest was a record 744 million pounds surpassing the 1994 crop of 732.7 million pounds. The pre-harvest estimates from last fall was 680 million pounds, I was wrong when I pegged it at the first billion pound crop, but I came as close as the growers did with their estimate. The gross farm income for this years crop is not yet reported as much of the crop has yet to be sold and problems have developed with a small growing percentage of the export market to Asia as anyone could guess. For sure the crop will return at least one billion dollars to the growers by the time all the crop is sold. Ground conditions are wet in the almond orchards and movement has slowed in delivering bees. The almond trees have had good dormant weather and have dropped most of their leaves. Bud set is normal and dormant and weed spraying is being done. Bees are reported to be in average condition with local bees slightly ahead of out of state hive because of the good fall in most of California and the not so good fall in other states. Feeding of light hives is being done as needed and beekeepers are ready to move onto pollination sites as soon as weather permits. Temperatures have been 10 degrees above normal the last ten days which could bring on a early bloom if they continue higher then normal. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California 011498 ... That the still murmur of the honey bee (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.67.2.106!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: PETER BUSSELL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liability Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:28:12 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34BBF88C.252C@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: peter.bussell@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.220.217 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 884734098 27788 (None) 206.172.220.217 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-SYMPA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10829 I am not so much concerned about stings to me but because I have 7 acres of PYO raspberries I am more concerned about the general public and stings. I keep a child and adult epi-pen close by because several of my hives border the berry fields. One thing I must do is post a sign warning of the presence of bees but! if someone has a serious reaction to a sting, can we administer the pens or should we get the individual to administer it or none of the above. I live about 20 km for the nearest hospital.Any legal eagles know anything about a 'good samaritan' clause or have some good advice about what is the best way to handle this situation. thanks Peter Bussell Article 10830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "MARK G SPAGNOLO" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Date: 14 Jan 1998 00:49:35 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd2086$991d9080$71cb48a6@xpsh233> References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-203-113.hi.us.ibm.net X-Post-Time: 14 Jan 1998 00:49:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10830 alt.folklore.urban:393936 Jim Fare wrote in article <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca>... > BTW, my grandfather always claimed that beekeepers' sons were allergic > to bees. Any proof or anecdotal evidence for this? > > [J.F.] > http://www.fareway.on.ca/walter.html > I have been keeping bees for 22 years and am exposed to venom and stung everyday. I have a four year old son who has been stung a couple times. He shows no abnormal reactions, besides a lot of crying! Article 10831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Polish Recipe Date: 15 Jan 1998 01:20:12 GMT Organization: Preferred Company Lines: 71 Message-ID: <69jo8c$pvu@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.98.21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10831 Frank Holloway wrote in article ... > Anybody out there got a recipe for making good wax polish, I have plenty > of bees wax and turpentine available but lack the know how. Since > finding a wax polish is being replaced with these spray rubbish, I would > dearly like to make my own - thanks in anticipation. > -- > Frank Holloway > Hello Here are a few recipes form North of Kansas City. I took these out of ABJ a few years back. Hope this helps everybody. Ken FURNITURE POLISH 1 PINT LINSEED OIL 1-2 OUNCES OF BEESWAX 2 PINTS TURPENTINE COMBINE OIL AND BEESWAX,REMOVE FROM HEAT AND ADD TURPENTINE AND MIX. SHAKE WELL BEFORE USING. FURNITURE POLISH 1 GALLON SOFT WATER 1 POUND BEESWAX 4 OUNCES SOAP 2 OZ. POTASSIUM CARBONATE DILUTE WITH WATER TO SUIT PREFERENCE FURNITURE POLISH (PASTE FORM-BEST FOR OLD FURNITURE) USE 1/2 POUND TURPENTINE AND 1/2 POUND BEESWAX. THIS ALSO MAKES A SATISFACTORY FLOOR WAX BY VARYING THE AMOUNT OF TURPENTINE ADDED. FLOOR WAX 1/2 POUND BEESWAX 1/2 CUP ALCOHOL 1/2 PINT TURPENTINE MELT WAX OVER HOT BATH. WHEN MELTED STIR IN TURPENTINE AND ALCOHOL. STIR UNTIL MIXTURE IS A THICK PASTE AND POUR IN JARS. FLOOR WAX 1/4 POUND BEESWAX 1/2 PINT TURPENTINE 1/4 POUND PARAFFIN 1/4 PINT ALCOHOL MELT WAX AND PARAFFIN OVER HOT WATER BATH. WHEN MELTED STIR IN TURPENTINE AND ALCOHOL. STIR UNTIL MIXTURE IS A THICK PASTE AND POUR IN JARS. THESE WAXES AND POLISHES ARE OUT OF THE -AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL- I HAVE NOT TRIED THESE SO USE YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT. Article 10832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: beekeeper/nurse relationships Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:23:17 -0600 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.100.42 Message-ID: <34bec97e.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!atl.bellsouth.net!mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.100.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10832 I can go one better than that... I am a beekeeper and a nurse. Beekeeping in Alabama Mark D. Hoover wrote in message ... >It seems like I find out about another beekeeper who is married to a nurse >every time I turn around. I personally know 5 or 6 beekeepers who are >married to nurses, myself included. This evening I was reading and >article in American Bee Journal in which the author mentioned that his >wife is a nurse. Has anybody out there noticed this phenominon? Even >Ully had the hots for a nurse. So what is it about nurses and beekeepers? > >Mark Hoover >Chico, CA > Article 10833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!fastnet!uunet!in4.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!unsw.edu.au!not-for-mail From: Tasos Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making candles from bees wax Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:15:55 +1100 Organization: UNSW Medsoc Lines: 1 Message-ID: <34BD715B.179F@student.unsw.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.171.168.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10833 How? Article 10834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advertising on ngs Date: 15 Jan 1998 03:18:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <69jv5a$7db@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <34bcbc2b.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.72 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10834 John, In my opinion, I think it is only appropriate to provide information that is asked for. (As you said.) For example, if someone asks for a good supplier in your area you certainly can provide them with your sources and opinions. We all at times need to find new suppliers. You can always e-mail the poster of the message. I e-mail directly when I think what I have to say will not be of interest to the group. On another newsgroup I frequent there are always but-downs toward different suppliers. This as well as true advertising, I feel, degrades the newsgroup. We, after all, have to but up with a lot of advertising even on the net. I'm not sure what the official policy is, maybe someone else will comment. Pete In the Seattle rain John Flemming wrote in article <34bcbc2b.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk>... > Is advertising permitted on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? I have nothing to > advertise myself, but when others ask for details of good suppliers, I am > often tempted to provide details of my two favourite proprietary UK > equipment suppliers. Is this OK? > John > > > Article 10835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed.centuryinter.net!Katrano.spam From: Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net (Kat) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings and pain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:10:00 -0600 Organization: random access Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <01bd2010$c6e08390$10d80791@Hans-Peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: news7.centuryinter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: anxp51.sm.centuryinter.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10835 In article <01bd2010$c6e08390$10d80791@Hans-Peter>, "hans-peter sloot" wrote: > What kind of substance is emu oil? > > Emu oil is a natural product. It is an oil extracted from the body fat of the emu bird. I have also found it to be superior to aloe vera for burns. Works well for skin rashes also, as well as chapped skin. Seems to be a healer for almost any skin conditions. I have even used it to relieve the discomfort of fire ant bites. If you want to try it, a sample is 50 cents (that is what I pay for it so I make no profit) plus postage. It is also available from a number of emu breeders in 1 oz bottles. Kat Katra@centuryinter.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For spam prevention, the "reply to" and e-mail address have been typed incorrectly. Remove the "No.spam" from the address. http://WWW.Brewich.COM/~maven/ Katrano.spam@centuryinter.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 10836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us Subject: Re: foundations? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:02:49 -0600 Message-ID: <884793297.130351114@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail References: <34BBD544.5804ED5E@home.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jan 14 15:54:57 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-E-KIT (Win95; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 165.201.83.38 () Lines: 50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10836 Lori, You'll get many differing opinions on this. Understand that what works best for one beekeeper may not be best for others. It depends on management styles, and what is important to you. When I started beekeeping four years ago I used Duragilt. I don't like it. If the comb ever comes off due to wax moths or other damage, the bees are reluctant to rebuild, and if they do it is always burr comb. Duragilt also "blows out" during extracting, meaning it comes unattached from the frame. It also sometimes sags in the frames during extremely hot weather. I've started using Mann Lake's Rite-Cell plastic foundation, and have had excellent results. My bees have built beautiful comb on it, and done so quickly. If the comb ever comes off, the bees will rebuild proper comb, rather than burr comb. I've have not had any trouble with blow outs or sagging. You can buy Rite-Cell or other rigid plastic foundation either waxed or unwaxed. I've found the unwaxed works fine so long as there is any kind of honey flow going on. I'll never go back to Duragilt. Frames with plastic foundation like Rite-Cell are extremely easy to assemble. I use a grooved top bar rather than wedged, and just snap the foundation in after the frame is assembled. If you use a air stapler to assemble your frames it goes incredibly fast. I have never experienced bees "eating through the wax on the plastic foundations." I'm not sure what you mean. Steve Phillips Perry, KS 4th year, 20 hives New World Carniolian phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us (work) jkphillips@sprynet.com (home) In article <34BBD544.5804ED5E@home.com>, Bee Folks wrote: > > I am interested in opinions on Duragilt vs. Pierco vs. regular wax > foundation. I've heard that bees tend to eat through the wax on the > plastic foundations, then not rebuild, but it just seems so much > easier. Any suggestions/anecdotes? > > Lori -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!jumpnet.com!not-for-mail From: "Quita Endicott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:08:06 -0600 Organization: Jump Point Communications, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <69irb8$71u$1@news.jumpnet.com> References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> <696evb$e92@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> <34b7a3a0.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> <01bd1e01$a9a7f800$240cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> <699om0$c7d$1@news.goodnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fieldbus.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10837 alt.folklore.urban:394134 ># My grandfather was a beekeeper and his children are all very sensitive to >#stings. > >Uh oh. I see some Lamarckian theories of evolution in that last statement. > What is Lamarckian about that - he doesn't imply that they CHOSE to become sensitive - all that is implied here as that the children are all sensitive - perhaps the mother of said children passed on hypersensitivity genes to the kids. >Robert "Devolved" Ternes >rternes@u.arizona.edu Article 10838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!news From: mdr@hpl.hp.com (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Beeeswax Polish Recipe Sender: news@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Usenet News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:07:41 GMT References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rsmith.hpl.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 123 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10838 In article , Frank Holloway wrote: >Anybody out there got a recipe for making good wax polish, I have plenty >of bees wax and turpentine available but lack the know how. Here are several recipes collected from bee-l and s.a.b: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 11:50:35 BST Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brian Styles Subject: Re: Beeswax polish. There are smart ways, using ammonia, I think to make furniture cream, but good honest beeswax polish can be made, basically, by mixing beeswax with turpentine (genuine, not substitute). I use a honey jar, either crumble up or put through a cheese-grater the wax, pour in turpentine (in about equal volumes), shake a bit, then wait overnight. Some advocate heating (e.g. in a water bath), but the mixture is extremely flammible and this is too dangerous for me. With patience, it will all dissolve anyway. Keep the lid on most of the time or it will dry out. For application (e.g. to oak furniture), I use a bit of coarse hessian sacking kept for the purpose, leave to dry and finish off with a linen cloth. Any good? -Brian Styles From: anthony@iet.hist.no (ANTHONY MORGAN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:57:26 GMT In article <3raa60$48a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) writes: >From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) >Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe >Date: 9 Jun 1995 16:16:00 -0400 >Beeswax furniture polish is nothing but beeswax dissolved in turpentine >(or turpentine substitute) to make it easier to apply. >Melt beeswax and stir in turpentine until the consistency suits you. You >can make liquid or paste. Both work well. For that *real* old fashioned furniture polish smell use genuine turpentine NOT turps substitute. Many people recommend the addition of up to 10% Carnauba wax for a better shine (a vegatable wax from S. America), however I can not comment on this as I have been unable to obtain locally. cheers Tony From: "Jeff C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Date: 27 Oct 1995 07:27:13 GMT Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested. Fill saucepan ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water. Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = strong) Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it. Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine. (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine) Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia. Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it. Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in. Let the water drain out Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture. Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps. Bottle your polish. Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out. Remember to use lots of elbow grease. From: Dr David A Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:05:43 GMT If I may just add my mite: our recipe is as follows: 4 oz beeswax 1 pt rainwater 8 fl oz turpentine 1 level TBS bicarbonate 1 small piece soap Shred the beeswax and soap Dissolve the bicarb in the water and warm it gently with the beeswax and soap until all has turned to liquid. Pour the mixture into a large basin, adding the turpentine which has been warmed in a bain marie. Keep stirring until it takes on a creamy consistency, and then pour into suitable containers while still warm. So it's very much the same basically. Source: The Complete Guide to Beekeeping by Jeremy Evans - Unwin Hyman Limited. Margaret -- Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Bristol Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol, BS12 6QZ, UK Tel: +44 117 922 9331 Fax: +44 117 922 9937 Article 10839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!jumpnet.com!not-for-mail From: "Quita Endicott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:20:48 -0600 Organization: Jump Point Communications, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <69is31$77k$1@news.jumpnet.com> References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> <696evb$e92@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> <34b7a3a0.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fieldbus.org X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10839 alt.folklore.urban:394135 You are either allergic or you are not, to bee stings (or any other substance). Your reaction (or hypersensitivity - there are 4 classes of hypersensitivity) is dependent on a number of variables - perhaps the bee in question produces a venom that lacks the histamine that affects your body - perhaps you have a high number of immune response cells activated for what ever reason. The best advice is to consult an immunologist to get your answers. Also, I'm not sure because it has been a few years since I had immunology, but hypersensitivity is not an autoimmune disease - it is an over-reaction to a foreign body (or an overly aggressive immune response). >Specifically, my question is: >1) Do repeated bee stings raise one's tolerance or not? Not really - again there are many variables at work - you may become more innured to the pain associated with the sting. Also - one more point to make that is probably unimportant, but bothering me non-the-less: Things that are venomous bite you; things that are poisonous - you bite. Bees, snakes and the such are venomous; plants, frogs and the like are poisonous. Quita >I think all this talk about allergies obscures things. Forget allergies >altogether for a moment, and address what happens to Joe Blow who gets >stung too often. > >If this has already been addressed then I either missed it or experienced a >brain fart. > >Don "I do that sometimes" "Okay, all the time" Whittington Article 10840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yearly update Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:26:42 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 26 Message-ID: <34BE7F12.CFD68324@ne.mediaone.net> References: <19980115142500.JAA04981@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: ROK101D X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10840 ROK101D wrote: > Now my question is in seed catalogs I have seen yellowjacket traps for > sale. > Will the traps just atract yellowjackets and not honeybees. Last fall > I had a > lot of yellowjackets around my hives and once when I did not get the > top box on > stright they got in to the feeder and killed a lot of bees. Can they > be > traped? > Thanks > Rick Rick, It seems to me that which insect(s) these traps would work for would depend entirely on what is used for bait. If a meat or insect bait, only yellow jackets (and other insectivores and carnivires) would be interested, if sugar syrup, other carbohydrates, or powdered vegetable proteins then you would surely be trapping honeybeees and bumblebees as well. I think a pheromone trap would depend on what substances were used. I'd be curious to know what they're supplying/advocating for bait. Kathy Article 10841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Containers Date: 16 Jan 1998 04:28:20 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19980116042800.XAA29177@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980115230800.SAA15523@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10841 Does anyone in the newsgroup have a name of a company(s) that can supply small (1-3 ounce) plastic containers that could be used for beeswax lip balms, furniture polish, etc. I have tried metal containers and was not very happy with them. Best Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Milford, CT HarrisonRW@aol.com Article 10842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yearly update Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:25:37 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19980115142500.JAA04981@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10842 Just wanted to thank everyone for a great year. You guys have been a lot of help this year and a lot of education reading this newsgroup. I started last year with 1 package of buckfast. Then I found out an old friend had some old equipment so I cleaned it up and bought 2 nucs. I joined a club this year also. The bees did to well. I looked out the window one day and saw 25,000 bees in the air. What a site. After they settled down 30' up a tree I cut them down and got them in a hive. It was amazing to watch them all walk into the hive. We had some old styrofoam at work so I insulated them for the winter.Now I am building boxes. I cut out 15 yesterday. I plan on adding 10 hives this spring.. I ordered 7 packages and will buy nucs locally from clup members. Now my question is in seed catalogs I have seen yellowjacket traps for sale. Will the traps just atract yellowjackets and not honeybees. Last fall I had a lot of yellowjackets around my hives and once when I did not get the top box on stright they got in to the feeder and killed a lot of bees. Can they be traped? Thanks Rick Article 10843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!not-for-mail From: Murray Atthill Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: napa gas heater Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:34:55 -0500 Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34BE3AAF.A39C1718@quadro.net> Reply-To: atts@quadro.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-124.quadro.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10843 hello Just have a question about napa gas heater (tent Heater). If someone was to heat up a little shed with a hive of bees would it kill them with carbon dioxcide gas. need. I use the bees for apitherapy bee venmon stings i have MS and it helps.. Article 10844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hives Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:53:01 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19980115165300.LAA08034@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980112214100.QAA24097@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10844 > >I think there should be a law that requires every beekeeper to have an >observation hive! I have enough laws , more than enough. Article 10845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!130.207.165.222.MISMATCH!smash.gatech.edu!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Containers Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:10:39 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34BF07EC.1609@Birkey.com> References: <19980115230800.SAA15523@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19980116042800.XAA29177@ladder01.news.aol.com> <69mqrg$rkj@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 16697@206.68.164.25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10845 Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > > I got some from Drug Emporium. There is a label on the > bottom of them that says: Distributed by Paris Presents > Incorporated Gurnee, IL 60031. Made in China. This > may give you a lead. Yahoo gives the following: > > Paris Presents > 3800 Swanson CT, Gurnee, IL, 60031 > (847) 263-5500 > Let me know how you do. I'm also interested. > Pete > > HarrisonRW wrote in article > > Does anyone in the newsgroup have a name of a company(s) that can supply > small > > (1-3 ounce) plastic containers that could be used for beeswax lip balms, > > furniture polish, etc. > > Best Regards, > > Ralph Harrison > > Western CT Beekeepers Association > > Milford, CT > > HarrisonRW@aol.com > > A very large assortment of containers can be purchased through Berlin Packaging. For a free color catalog with prices, call 1-800-423-7546 or email at marketing@berlinpackaging.com -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 10846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rok101d@aol.com (ROK101D) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yellowjackets Date: 15 Jan 1998 20:39:21 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19980115203900.PAA24065@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10846 In my new seed catalogs I have seen ads for yellowjacket traps. I was wondering how they would work around honeybees. If they would just atract the jellowjackets and not the bees. Last fall while feeding my bees the jellowjackets got bad around my hives. I fed them inside the hives but they still got bad. Thanks Rick Article 10847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!130.18.80.15.MISMATCH!nntp.msstate.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news.pcslink.com!news.millennianet.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket trap Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:08:08 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <19980115230800.SAA15523@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980115142500.JAA04981@ladder02.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10847 > Now my question is in seed catalogs I have seen yellowjacket traps for >sale. >Will the traps just atract yellowjackets and not honeybees. Last fall I had >a >lot of yellowjackets around my hives and once when I did not get the top box >on >stright they got in to the feeder and killed a lot of bees. Can they be >traped? Don't waste your money. Take some 1 or 2 liter plastic drink bottles and cut a 1" hole on the neck with a sharp knife. Fill the bottle about 1/3 full of water and add a generous amount of dishwashing detergent. Now take something sweet (NOT HONEY, as it wll attract honeybees -- and may get them to robbing each other) and smear it just inside the hole you cut. I use old moldy jam or jelly, which folks persist in giving u,s and we don't eat much of as we have a plentiful supply of honey. This will not work very well until the YJ's change to eating sugar, when they stop raising brood in late summer or early fall. If there aren't any flowers yielding, honeybees may come. Put the traps away until there is more of a honeyflow. You'll have to renew the bait as the YJ's will eat some before they fall and drown. You'll catch them by the millions, but you'll probably find millions more coming. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Containers Date: 16 Jan 1998 05:22:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <69mqrg$rkj@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19980115230800.SAA15523@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19980116042800.XAA29177@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.22.229 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10848 I got some from Drug Emporium. There is a label on the bottom of them that says: Distributed by Paris Presents Incorporated Gurnee, IL 60031. Made in China. This may give you a lead. Yahoo gives the following: Paris Presents 3800 Swanson CT, Gurnee, IL, 60031 (847) 263-5500 Let me know how you do. I'm also interested. Pete HarrisonRW wrote in article > Does anyone in the newsgroup have a name of a company(s) that can supply small > (1-3 ounce) plastic containers that could be used for beeswax lip balms, > furniture polish, etc. > Best Regards, > Ralph Harrison > Western CT Beekeepers Association > Milford, CT > HarrisonRW@aol.com > Article 10849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19980115203900.PAA24065@ladder03.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Yellowjackets Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:32:40 -0500 Lines: 32 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin5-8.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin5-8.wr.hom.net Message-ID: <34bf9abb.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin5-8.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10849 I've noticed all my life that even if I don't see many yellow jackets around they all seem to come runnin' when I'm cleaning fish! Maybe you could go the bait store and pick up some minnows and use them for bait. The honey bees don't do seafood. Just a suggestion... C. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [Beeman@hom.net] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at...[http://www.hom.net/~beeman] ROK101D wrote in message <19980115203900.PAA24065@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >In my new seed catalogs I have seen ads for yellowjacket traps. I was >wondering how they would work around honeybees. If they would just atract the >jellowjackets and not the bees. Last fall while feeding my bees the >jellowjackets got bad around my hives. I fed them inside the hives but they >still got bad. > > Thanks > Rick Article 10850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "frans daems" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: QUEEN FECUNDATION Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:15:17 GMT Organization: SKYNET SA/NV Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd22b4$09327000$5b0beec3@w95-fd> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup91.hasselt.skynet.be X-Trace: news0.skynet.be 884978117 13482 (None) 195.238.11.91 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news0.skynet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!newsfeed.skynet.be!poster.skynet.be!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10850 I am looking to meet on the internet a beekeeper who has experience with queen fecundation in a closed room or place. Thanks for your responses and reactions Frans Daems Article 10851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee medication Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:09:57 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5x+V$BA1q9v0EwFF@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10851 How does one treat nosema now that it is illegal in the UK to import (even for your own use), to own or to administer any 'pharmocolgically active' treatment to bees other than approved medicines (Bayvorol)? (see . Presumably Fumidil-B is 'pharmocologically active' therefore banned or does anyone know if it is approved by the Veterany Association. Has anyone from BBKA or one of the commercial organisations more information please? -- Tom Article 10852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!199.0.154.56!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Leighton Walstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice Bee Keeper Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:19:58 -0600 Organization: Farm Accounting & Tax Service Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34BFEB1D.F6ACE134@pcpros.net> Reply-To: walstrom@pcpros.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin24.pcpros.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10852 I have just purchased two hives and am anxious to get started with some bees this spring. Can anyone give me a good source where I can purchase some bees. I am located in Wisconsin. Lee W. Article 10853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Containers Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:35:14 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34C018E2.41D8@starpoint.net> References: <19980115230800.SAA15523@ladder01.news.aol.com> <19980116042800.XAA29177@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury-21.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10853 HarrisonRW wrote: > > Does anyone in the newsgroup have a name of a company(s) that can supply small > (1-3 ounce) plastic containers that could be used for beeswax lip balms, > furniture polish, etc. > > I have tried metal containers and was not very happy with them. > > Best Regards, > Ralph Harrison > Western CT Beekeepers Association > Milford, CT > HarrisonRW@aol.com Go to http://www.mannlakeltd.com and order catalog from them. Article 10854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: MatSmith1@compuserve.com (Matt Smith) Subject: Re: beekeeper/nurse relationships Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:09:56 GMT Message-ID: <34c003ca.2142516@news.compuserve.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.186.0.134!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.sover.net!arl-news-svc-7.compuserve.com!news-nih2naab.compuserve.com Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10854 On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:56:32 -0800, "Mark D. Hoover" wrote: > So what is it about nurses and beekeepers? Perhaps they just go for the uniform ( rubber boots, zip up boiler suit, hat and veil, elbow length sticky gloves togeter with the great smells of smoke and sweat) Matt Article 10855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: requeening Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:54:37 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <69ovgd$cs5$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10855 I keep over 500 hives. As all of you know requeening is very time consuming. I was informed by a very good source that one way to do this was by useing queen cells during a honey flow. Anyone know any thing about this. Like what % take can you Article 10856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:33:31 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:14652 sci.agriculture:22647 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10856 sci.agriculture.fruit:1389 sci.agriculture.poultry:4247 sci.med.nutrition:84230 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 10857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!passport.ca!ftn.net!not-for-mail From: Jay Mowat Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee venom Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:58:13 +0000 Organization: Passport Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34C072A5.51DA@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: mowatj@toronto.cbc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10857 I am a journalist and a beekeeper in Ontario, Canada and am doing research in the use of bee venom to treat certain disorders like multiple sclerosis. I would appreciate any information or URLs anyone might be able to point out. Jay Mowat Erin, Ontario 2 hives Article 10858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: brich@telalink.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nashville Area Beekeepers web page Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:07:52 GMT Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34c0f20d.14123176@news.telalink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial5-dyn5-14.bna.telalink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10858 We're just getting started with our web page. Please take a look and submit your favorite bee links. http://personal.bna.bellsouth.net/~beerich/ Thanks -Barry Richards Article 10859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tomorrow is Mead brewing day Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:35:16 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <69r42l$j5b@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jan 17 14:24:53 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal44-25.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10859 Checked my hives today (1/16, temp=62F/16C); bees are flying and have plenty of honey to last until Spring. All appears healthy. Also got my "starter" going today and will brew a 5-gal batch of mead tomorrow! BK Dallas, TX Article 10860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Alan Blood" Subject: new beekeeper, new hives Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:33:06 -0000 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.152.12!upnetnews01!upnetnews03 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10860 jodan@msn.com Having pondered the subject for a few years, I have decided to keep bees as a hobby, and to this effect I have set about building a hive and various accessories, from plans down loaded from the internet. For purely aesthetic reasons I have decided that my home hive is to be a W.B.C (I know they are more inconvenient to use, but it will keep the missus happy !) However, I can appreciate the convenience and simplicity of the National hive and I am considering this as a better alternative for my `out' hives. My question now, to all you experienced bee keepers out there, is... As all the internal components of the W.B.C and National hive are identical, and the only variation is the internal dimensions and wall thickness of the brood chamber and supers, is it a practical proposition to build National type hives, but with the slightly reduced width of the W.B.C so that all components will be exactly interchangeable ? I would greatly appreciate an answer to this question before I, once again, get the urge to pick up my hammer and saw and start manufacturing. Regards, Alan Blood Article 10861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee venom Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:40:04 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34C12534.75E3@ix.netcom.com> References: <34C072A5.51DA@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca12-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jan 17 3:48:56 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) To: mowatj@toronto.cbc.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10861 Jay Mowat wrote: > > I am a journalist and a beekeeper in Ontario, Canada and am doing > research in the use of bee venom to treat certain disorders like > multiple sclerosis. I would appreciate any information or URLs anyone > might be able to point out. > > Jay Mowat > Erin, Ontario 2 hives Jay - there is a national apitherapy site - you can do a search and find it easily. Also, bee venom therapy is very helpful to people with psoriatic arthritis, which is also an autoimmune disease. vivian Article 10862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-210.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeeper, new hives Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:33:12 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Message-ID: <34c140b7.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10862 Alan Blood Why not use Nationals for everything and just build a couple of WBC style 'outers', for home, then everything can be interchangeable, including the bee colonies, so the home hives can get a season in the country occasionally! Just a thought! John Article 10863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "wb" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying bees in central Mass. Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:39:17 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <69rpv4$5bm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "wb" NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.70.47.212 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10863 Is there a dealer for bees and supplies close to Worcester County? Article 10864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feral hive Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:54:16 -0800 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34C18AF8.240B@fidnet.com> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-148.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10864 If there is a feral hive on tye farm within sight of where I plan to locate some hives, might I reasonably assume the mites did not get to this farm? I will still take the apistan precautions but as a new beekeeper I would rest easier if I were in a lower chance area. Article 10865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: Peter Bussell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: epi-pens Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:22:06 -0500 Organization: Bell Solutions Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34C1755E.1016@sympatico.ca> Reply-To: peter.bussell@sympatico.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.220.79 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 885093726 27956 (None) 206.172.220.79 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news20.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-SYMPA (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10865 I have a PYO raspberry operation. My bees are a very important part of it. Since the hives are closeby the chance of the public getting stung is inevitable. I purchased 2 epi-pens since the closest hospital is 20km away. Any advice about using the pen in case someone reacts strongly to a stung. Maybe this is a question for a lawyer. Any advice would be greatly appreciated ie. what symptoms would determine using the pen.Thanks Beeeing careful. Article 10866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying bees in west. NY Date: 18 Jan 1998 04:42:25 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19980118044201.XAA23672@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bd208e$c5cf8b80$567166a6@dhkp.alltel.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10866 In article <01bd208e$c5cf8b80$567166a6@dhkp.alltel.net>, "Don Palmer" writes: >Does anyone know where I can purchase bees in the western N.Y. or >northern PA. area, or a good mail order supplier? Also is it advantageous to >buy bees from a northern supplier for the colder northern climate? Check with Bob Brachmann 7590 Ellicottville-Maples Rd., Little Valley, NY 14755, 716-699-4145. He's a queen breeder with northern stock. I've seen his bees, and they are very nice. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 10867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee medication Message-ID: <885081264@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:09:40 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 272ff651 REPLY: 240:44/0 4e9e6ea5 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(178) Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10867 Hi Tom & other UK beekeepers T> How does one treat nosema now that it is illegal in the UK to T> import (even for your own use), to own or to administer any T> 'pharmocolgically active' treatment to bees other than T> approved medicines (Bayvorol)? (see T> . I have read it, The Veterinary Medicines Directorate are barmy, do you know you can petition the EU Parliament as an indivual or as an organisation, this is the way we ought to go to get these medicines freely moving within the EU without the necessity to register in more than one EU state T> Presumably T> Fumidil-B is 'pharmocologically active' therefore banned or T> does anyone know if it is approved by the Veterany T> Association. Has anyone from BBKA or one of the commercial T> organisations more information please? I guess the place to ask willbe BDI (Bee diseases Insurance) since they are a supplier of Fumidil B, even better would be to ask Dr Watkins of Vita Email max.watkins@vita.demon.co.uk who is now I believe the supplier of Fumidil B I think that at present our civil servants lead the world in incomprehension. (stupidity) I have just read a reply from the VDO to a letter sent them from Kent Beekeepers Association concerning the difficulties we shall find ourselves in just as soon as the Fluvalinate resistant mites swin acroos the English Channel. VMD will sooner there were no bees, then they would not have to answer our difficult questions. From the Garden of England peter.hutton@btinternet.com --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!basil.acr.net.au!news From: Trevor Jory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making candles from bees wax Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:22:17 +1100 Organization: Black Range Farm Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34C13D29.639F@acr.net.au> References: <34BD715B.179F@student.unsw.edu.au> Reply-To: bumbleb@acr.net.au NNTP-Posting-Host: be2511s105.acr.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) To: Tasos Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10868 Tasos wrote: > > How? melt wax and pour into moulds,available from redpaths bee supplies,parkdale,melbourne,au Article 10869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feral hive Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:22:09 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34C18AF8.240B@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqhQl7U5JyTsf+y> Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10869 In article <34C18AF8.240B@fidnet.com>, John Brackman writes >If there is a feral hive on tye farm within sight of where I plan to >locate some hives, might I reasonably assume the mites did not get to >this farm? I will still take the apistan precautions but as a new >beekeeper I would rest easier if I were in a lower chance area. > No -- Tom Article 10893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.246.1.19!news.tds.net!news From: Roger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite control ?????? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:28:49 -0500 Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blmiusr0-a56.btc-bci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10893 I found this be accident today www.acs.ohio-state.edu/units/research/archive/buzz.htm It is about natural selection and breeding of bees that are not affected by the mite. Article 10894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.51.167.4!nix2.kconline.com!not-for-mail From: "dkeller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperature to kill varroa mite Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:30:55 -0000 Organization: KC Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6a3qeg$bse$1@nix2.kconline.com> References: <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1-40.syracuse.kconline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10894 dumb question... At what temperature will the comb melt? 40c= 104f Tom Speight wrote in message ... >In article <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com>, Greenwood Nursery > writes >>sells a machine that uses temperature to kill the varroa mite. >>Apparantly, 40 degrees celsius kills the varroa mite while it does not >>in fact harm the brood. Does any one know anything about this? >I think the Russians have been using this method for years. >Someone (I'm sorry, I don't know his name) at the Scottish BKA >Convention a couple of years ago ('96) had translated some work that had >been done there. >I can't be more specific, it was just a conversation between beekeepers. >I don't know wheter he published anything in the 'Scotttish Beekeeper', >but I seem to remember last year ('97) he said he was now on 'the net' >so perhaps he will read this and reply. >May even turn out to be Harry, who knows? >Regards >-- >Tom Article 10895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: FRANK-JO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Plans? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:53:25 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34C619F5.4394@twlakes.net> References: <34c3d434.2654304@news.ptway.com> <6a2of7$eht@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-6.r03.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) To: David Verville Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10895 David Verville wrote: > > Greg wrote: > > > > are there any plans out there for building a honey extractor, small > > hobby type. > > Coming shortly to a web page near you! > > I just recently drew up plans for a couple of extractors that I > built. Barry Birkey is in the final stages of converting > my format(drw) to his format(pdf) and will "put them up" on his > home page very soon. Check his page ever so often. > > Super Dave Could you send me the site address for this? Frank Article 10896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-out.communique.net!communique!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying bees in central Mass. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:58:12 -0500 Organization: Biosource Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34C63733.C14@ultranet.com> References: <69rpv4$5bm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d26.dial-1.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 21 Jan 1998 18:00:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: wb Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10896 wb wrote: > > Is there a dealer for bees and supplies close to Worcester County? There is an excellent supplier in Soutboro, a Mr. Davis, on Breakneck Hill Road up rt nine just past white city diner. call, 5084858112 Marc Andelman Article 10897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Sppeight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost address Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:47:42 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10897 Sorry to bother the other users, but would Peter Hutton (Kent) please contact me again -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 10898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Sppeight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperature to kill varroa mite Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:45:34 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com> <6a3qeg$bse$1@nix2.kconline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10898 In article <6a3qeg$bse$1@nix2.kconline.com>, dkeller writes >dumb question... At what temperature will the comb melt? 40c= 104f Almost any bee book will tell you 62c = 149f. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 10899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperature to kill varroa mite Date: 21 Jan 1998 19:42:43 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 53 Message-ID: <01bd26a5$3c1dfee0$LocalHost@default> References: <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.121.68 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10899 Hi All, I am having a bit of trouble sending and receiving mail for newsgroups at the moment and apologize if this post has been sent twice. The article Tom mentions was published in the Scottish Beekeeper in September l996 and was translated from an article in the Schweizerische Bienen Zeitung pp 340 -346 which was written in June l991. The information given in this article, I think, must be a bit out of date. The editor, A. E. McArthur, of the Scottish Beekeeper has now got an e-mail address which is:- apisscot@aol.com and could probably provide a copy of this article if requested. (I could copy it myself but I am not sure of the copyright rules) The article consists of a rough diagram of a "Thermo Box" and details of the method. The box consists of a fan heater which sits on top of the hive and has a tube connecting it to the hive entrance so that the hot air circulates though the hive. The outlet temperature of the box is 45 - 48 deg. centigrade and the hive is "Cooked" for about 15 minutes. 5 mls of oil of wintergreen are also used. Trials using this method were first reported from Japan. The Soviets used some sort of heating cabinet which was not very practical. The method, if it works, had a lot going for it as not only does it kill the mites on the bees but also the mites in the cells. It can also be used in the middle of winter. I have been giving some thought to this method and wonder if it would be possible to do away with the tube from the heating box to the hive entrance and blow the hot air down one side of the hive circulating it up the other side (the entrance being blocked). This would be a much simpler piece of apparatus/ -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Tom Speight wrote in article ... > In article <34AC1A4E.F7B0F822@glinx.com>, Greenwood Nursery > writes > >sells a machine that uses temperature to kill the varroa mite. > >Apparantly, 40 degrees celsius kills the varroa mite while it does not > >in fact harm the brood. Does any one know anything about this? > I think the Russians have been using this method for years. > Someone (I'm sorry, I don't know his name) at the Scottish BKA > Convention a couple of years ago ('96) had translated some work that had > been done there. > I can't be more specific, it was just a conversation between beekeepers. > I don't know wheter he published anything in the 'Scotttish Beekeeper', > but I seem to remember last year ('97) he said he was now on 'the net' > so perhaps he will read this and reply. > May even turn out to be Harry, who knows? > Regards > -- > Tom > Article 10900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DEC US HONEY MARKET Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:22:33 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c13479.2659811@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.184 Lines: 132 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.62.184 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10900 NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS (edited edition) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DATE: January 12, 1998 Fruit and Vegetable Division 2015 South I st Street - RM 4 Yakima, WA 96903 MONTH OF DECEMBER, 1997 Prices paid to beekeepers for extracted, unprocessed honey in major producing states by packers, handlers & other large users, cents per pound, f.o.b. or delivered nearby, containers exchanged or returned, prompt delivery and payment unless otherwise stated. ARKANSAS - Soybean, extra light amber, 69-70 cents CALIFORNIA - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 63 cents - Blue Curl, white, 72 cents - Blue Curl, extra light amber, 63 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 75 cents - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, extra light amber, 60-61 - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, light amber, 60 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra fight amber, 73 cents - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 59 - 60 cents - Orange, white, 81 cents (delivered to east coast) - Sage, white, 72 - 81 cents (higher price indicates honey delivered to east coast) - Sage, extra fight amber, 63 cents - Sage, light amber, 61 cents FLORIDA - Brazilian Pepper, fight amber, 65 cents IDAHO - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 65 - 70 cents - Alfalfa, light amber,--67-ceiits - - - Buckwheat, amber, 61 cents - Buckwheat, dark amber, 55 - 61 cents INDIANA - Wildflowers, mediwn amber, 86 cents LOUISLA,NA - Chinese Tallow, fight amber, 65 cents MICHIGAN - Mixed Flowers, meidum amber, 90 cents - Napweed, medium amber, 86 cents MINNESOTA - Clover, white, 78 cents - Clover/Sunflowers, white, 70 cents MONTANA - Alfalfa, white, 74 cents - Clover, white, 68 - 76 cents . Clover, extra light amber, 74 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 76 cents NEBRASKA - Alfalfa, white, 75 cents - Cloven(Alfalfa, white, 68 - 70 cents N. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 68 - 75 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 63 cents OHIO - Clover, white, 75 cents OREGON - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, light amber, 61 cents - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, amber, 59 cents S. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 70 - 75 cents - Clover, light amber, 86 cents TEXAS - Chinese Tallow, light amber, 65 - 70 cents WASHINGTON - Carrot, light amber, 61 cents (small lot) - Clover, white, 72 - 75 cents . Loostrife, light amber, 63 cents - Loostrife, amber, 59 - 61 cents - Mint/Wildflowers, amber, 59 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 65 cents (small lot) - Vetch, white, 73 cents (small lot) WYOMING - Clovcr/Alfalfa, white, 75 cents Prices paid to Canadian beekeepers for unprocessed bulk honey by packers and importers in U.S. currency, f.o.b. shipping point, containers included unless otherwise stated. Duty and crossing charges extra. US-Cents per pound. MANITOBA - floral source unknown, extra fight amber, 75 cents Prices paid to importers for bulk honey, duty paid, containers included, cents per pound ex-dock or point of entry unless otherwise stated. EAST COAST ARGENTINA - Mixed Flowers, white, 64 - 67 - Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 62 - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 62 cents WEST COAST MEXICO - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 58 cents CALIFORNIA BEESWAX MARKET SITUATION --- DECEMBER, 1997 (unbleached, raw beeswax, delivered to handlers's warehouse) Offerings of wax were about normal during December but some handlers still have warehouses full of wax they purchased last fall. Orders of wax products were fairly good during October and November but then declined in December. Prices being offered to producers were about steady for light colored wax and slightly lower for the darker wax. Prices in California for light wax ranged from $1.70 - 1.80. Dark colored wax was being purchased at $1.50 - 1.60 per pound. *Ripped off the United Stated Department of Agriculture without permission to use. History of US Honey Market, not necessarily today's market. ttul, the OLd Drone * This message certified 100% tagline free. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DEC BEE & PLANT CONDITIONS Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:25:04 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c29478.1081136@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.61.126 Lines: 232 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.217.61.126 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10901 NATIONAL HONEY NARKET NEWS January 12, 1998 COLONY, HONEY PLANT & MARKET CONDITIONS DURING DECEMBER CALIFORNIA Four weeks of wet weather continued into December. The first storm began on the 5th when heavy rain began failing along the central coast and moved into Southern California causing local flooding. Santa Barbara recoorded 9" of rain in 24 hours while Laguna Beach received over 6" just the morning of the 6th. Heavy winds and rain with lightning in West Los Angeles knocked out power in some areas. The storm also brought snow and ice to the mountains north and east of Los Angeles. Santa Ana winds allowed Southern California to dry out for a few days but then another storm system moved in right before Christmas bringing as much as two more inches of rain to two more inches of rain to parts of Central and Southern Caifornia. Significant amounts of snow continued to accumulate in the mountains. During the same time, lows dipped to freezing or below in the San Joaquin Valey. Daily record lows were recorded in some areas causing some concern by citrus growers that are right in the middle of harvest. Most beekeepers were busy during December checking colony strength, equalizing and adding sugar syrup when needed to get the bees ready to move into almonds the end of January. Some beekeepers reported an increase in Tracheal Mites because of the cool, wet weather. After the losses that occurred last January from floods in the northern part of the state, beekeepers were moving their hives to higher elevations. Companies that sell beekeeping supplies report then had a good month as purchases of boxes and frames increased because producers were busy doing a lot of maintenance work. The honey market is fairly weak as most packers purchased honey earlier and now find their warehouses full. Sales were also a little slow as retailers have not lowered their prices. At the same time, producers seem anxious to sell their honey even though they are not happy about the lower prices being offered. COLORADO * * * Beekeepers around the state have generally completed the fall treatment and medicating, and are currently feeding the bees that were kept instate in holding yards. Most of the migratory beekeepers are currently out of state with their colonies during the Winter months. Colonies are reported to be in fair to good condtion -at this time. Weather during the month of December for the state of Colorado was mixed as some portions of the state some received above normal snow fall while others were seasonal. The southern part of the state received heavy snows averaging from 30 to 40 inches in most mountains areas. The front range of Colorado did experience a major blizzard t he first part of the month with snow drifts as high as 5 feet in some areas. Temperatures for the Denver area averaged from 35-45 degrees for daytime highs and 15-20 degrees for the lows. ILLINOIS * * * Temeperatures had been above normal most of the month throughout the state. High's had been recorded generally in the 40's and low's in the 20's. State Apiary and many Beekeepers had concerns with the unseasonable warm temperatures and problems that they would create. Bees would deplete overwintering stores more rapidly than normal and without the normal cluster, a sudden cold wave could have resulted in losses of bees. Beekeepers activities were repairing equipment. Honey movement has been slow. FLORIDA * * * Temperatures averaged about nomw for the month of December but more than a dozen daily-record highs were set from December 9th through 12th. Ft. Lauderdale (87, 86 & 87 degrees) and Miami (96, 85 & 85 degrees) notched three consecutive records apeace. December, 1997 was the wettest on record in Florida at Jacksonville (9.77" - 3 59% of normal), Orlando (I 2.63 " - 587% of normal) and Tampa (I 5.57" - 724%). (Bee) Activity was very slow in Florida. Bees were feeding on the very light supplies of Spanish needle, loquat and maialuka. Beekeepers are still trying to find a treatment to control the Varroa Miites. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good condition. Demand for Florida honey was fairly good at steady prices. IDAHO & UTAH * * * December was warmer than average despite bitter cold temperatures around the Christmas holiday in Idaho and Utah. Some beekeepers are continuing to treat bees and keep them in wintering buildings. Larger migratory beekeepers were busy during the month making preparations for moving hives to California. INDIANA The state had experienced a mild winter with temperatures of 40's and 50's reported overnight temperatures in the 20's and 30's. In Southern Indiana, pansys were still blooming and ornamental kale and snapdragons had not benn killed out. Very little activities were reported. Beekeepers had moved very little bulk honey, while retail sales had been reported good due to holiday baking. MISSOURI & IOWA * * * Temperatures averaged slightly below average, but had wide swings from near record highs to about average lows as fronts moved through the Midwest. Precipitation was below normal and year end totals were generally slightly below the 5 year average. The few beekeepers who were not finished with honey extraction finished that job. Beekeepcrs/packers packed and delivered holiday honey orders. Some beekeepers have started the winter chore of repairing and building new equipment for the 1998 honey crop. Bees in most locations should have been able to have cleansing flights during the warm weeks. MONTANA * * * Dryness continued across most of the state through the first of December, where little precipitation has fallen since early October. 2-7" of snow finally fell in the central section of the state on the IOth but by weeks end, warm, breezy conditions retumed and a daily -record high was set in Glendive, along the easten border. On the 11th, West Yellow Stone reported a low of minus 32 degrees. The 2 1/2 month dry spell continued through the end of the month, accompanied temperatures up to 20 degrees above normal. On Christmas day, Glasgow, in the northeast comer of the state reached 40 degrees, in sharp contrast to last year's high of minus 18 degrees and low of minus 36 degrees. Also in Glasgow, temperatures failed to fall below "O" in December for the first time on record, while only . 0 1 " of precipitation fell. Wind gusts reached 76 mph in some areas of Central Montana. The warm temperatures have thrown the bees out of their regular winter routine and there is some concern they will not be clustered when and if extremely cold weather hits. Colonies are also consuming their winter stores at a rapid rate. Those bees wintered in California holding yards were checked during December and are reported to be in good condition. A little pollen was added to some hives to sustain the colonies until the almond bloom starts. Honey sales were reported to be good over the holidays both from gift packs and in retail stores. NEVADA * * * The month of December was warmer than usual and beekeepers report that some warmer days have given the bees a chance to fly and helped them stay healthy. Larger migratory beekeepers are in California feeding bees, building up the broods and getting ready to start the winter pollination season. OREGON*** Weather conditions were fairly mild during December with most precipitation coming from rain. Adequate amounts of snow finally fell the Cascade Mountains. One fairly large storm did hit the coast on the 16th bringing winds gusts of 45 mph. On the 3 1 st, daily records were set in Central Oregon with 61 degrees and along the southern coast which reached 72 degrees. Most beekeeping activities included regular winter maintenance and preparing colonies for their trip to the California almonds the end of January. WASHINGTON * * * Unseasonably warmn temperatures were reported in Western Washington during December with daytime highs in the mid 50's. One winter storm moved down from British Columbia on the 16th bringing heavy rains and wind gusts of 45 mph along the coast. In Central Washington, so far this has been one of the mildest winters in recent years with daytime temperatures 3-8 degrees above normal. Conditions were ideal for field work. Eastern Washington reported average amounts of precipitation, usually from rain instead of snow. Most of the snow fell in the Cascade Mountains or in the northeast section of the state. Cool weather Mtemated with warmer days. Daytime highs were mostly in the low to mid-50's but the southeast comer of the state did reach the low 60's around the middle of the month. Night time lows in Central and Eastern Washington ranged from the low 20's to the low 30's. The mild temperatures have the bees consuming their winter stores faster than usual but they are reported to be in good condition. Beekeepers that have their colonies wintered in California went down during December to check on the bees and to get them ready to move into the almonds the end of January. They found heavier than usual losses from mites so they had to spend extra time removing the dead-outs. Some beekeepers that usually take their bees to holding yards in California in November are waiting until the almonds are ready to bloom this year because of the mild winter here and all the precipitation California has been receiving. A few beekeepers have decided not to go at all this year because of the flooding problems that occurred last January. Representatives of the Washington State Beekeepers Assn attended a hearing of the (State) Senate Agriculture and Environment Committee on December 4th to present their views on proposed changes to the Apiary Program. The proposed legislation would if passed: Restructure the funding of the Apiary Program, shifting the responsibility for the payment of the pollination service fee from the grower to the beekeeper or broker - Make registration voluntary for those with less than 25 hives - Expand the Apiary Advisory Conunittee from I I to 12 members and establish certain qualifications of eligibility - Clarify the law and increase the Director's ability to carry fee-related provisions of the statute - Eliminate current required inspection of bees and equipment before entering the state, but authorizes the Director to require certification of inspection, if the need arises. These changes would become effective upon signature by the Governor, in time for the shift of the pollination service fee from grower to beekeepers, for the 1998 pollination season. The W.S.B.A. is in favor of the changes except the voluntary registration of those beekeepers with less than 25 hives. They feel is would eliminate the hobby beekeepers, a valuable segment of the industry. The W.S.B.A. legislative committee wants to insert in the language of the bill, "that all beekeepers are part of the industry, in all apiary matters. In case of a vote, all registered beekeepers are equal - one beekeeper-one vote". The next hearing will be held on January 19th in Olympia. WISCONSIN * * * Beekeepers had finished most apiary activities for the season. Mite treatment strips had been pulled from hives and supplemental feedings increased slightly, due to above normal temperatures. Precipitation was below normal for the month with only modest snow coverings. Due to the mild temperatures, bees had a few days of cleansing flights. Ripped off and edited from the United States of America Department of Agricuture Agriculture Marketing Service Fruits and Vegetable Division that advertises a fine of $300 to use one of their stamped envelopes without permission by the OLd Drone. ... Some bee had stung it newly. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: DEC US HONEY MARKET Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:21:05 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c21d21.1067100@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.162 Lines: 150 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10902 UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE (EDITED without permission) DATE: January 12, 1998 Fruit and Vegetable Division 2015 South I st Street - RM 4 Yakima, WA 96903 MONTH OF DECEMBER, 1997 Prices paid to beekeepers for extracted, unprocessed honey in major producing states by packers, handlers & other large users, cents per pound, f.o.b. or delivered nearby, containers exchanged or returned, prompt delivery and payment unless otherwise stated. ARKANSAS - Soybean, extra light amber, 69-70 cents CALIFORNIA - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 63 cents - Blue Curl, white, 72 cents - Blue Curl, extra light amber, 63 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 75 cents - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, extra light amber, 60-61 - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, light amber, 60 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra fight amber, 73 cents - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 59 - 60 cents - Orange, white, 81 cents (delivered to east coast) - Sage, white, 72 - 81 cents (higher price indicates honey delivered to east coast) - Sage, extra fight amber, 63 cents - Sage, light amber, 61 cents FLORIDA - Brazilian Pepper, fight amber, 65 cents IDAHO - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 65 - 70 cents - Alfalfa, light amber,--67-cents - - - Buckwheat, amber, 61 cents - Buckwheat, dark amber, 55 - 61 cents INDIANA - Wildflowers, medium amber, 86 cents LOUISIANANA - Chinese Tallow, fight amber, 65 cents MICHIGAN - Mixed Flowers, medium amber, 90 cents - Napweed, medium amber, 86 cents MINNESOTA - Clover, white, 78 cents - Clover/Sunflowers, white, 70 cents MONTANA - Alfalfa, white, 74 cents - Clover, white, 68 - 76 cents . Clover, extra light amber, 74 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 76 cents NEBRASKA - Alfalfa, white, 75 cents - Cloven(Alfalfa, white, 68 - 70 cents N. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 68 - 75 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 63 cents OHIO - Clover, white, 75 cents OREGON - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, light amber, 61 cents - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, amber, 59 cents S. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 70 - 75 cents - Clover, light amber, 86 cents TEXAS - Chinese Tallow, light amber, 65 - 70 cents WASHINGTON - Carrot, light amber, 61 cents (small lot) - Clover, white, 72 - 75 cents . Loostrife, light amber, 63 cents - Loostrife, amber, 59 - 61 cents - Mint/Wildflowers, amber, 59 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 65 cents (small lot) - Vetch, white, 73 cents (small lot) WYOMING - Clover/Alfalfa, white, 75 cents Prices paid to Canadian beekeepers for unprocessed bulk honey by packers and importers in U.S. currency, f.o.b. shipping point, containers included unless otherwise stated. Duty and crossing charges extra. US-Cents per pound. MANITOBA - floral source unknown, extra fight amber, 75 cents Prices paid to importers for bulk honey, duty paid, containers included, cents per pound ex-dock or point of entry unless otherwise stated. EAST COAST ARGENTINA - Mixed Flowers, white, 64 - 67 - Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 62 - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 62 cents WEST COAST MEXICO - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 58 cents CALIFORNIA BEESWAX MARKET SITUATION --- DECEMBER, 1997 (unbleached, raw beeswax, delivered to handlers's warehouse) Offerings of wax were about normal during December but some handlers still have warehouses full of wax they purchased last fall. Orders of wax products were fairly good during October and November but then declined in December. Prices being offered to producers were about steady for light colored wax and slightly lower for the darker wax. Prices in California for light wax ranged from $1.70 - 1.80. Dark colored wax was being purchased at $1.50 - 1.60 per pound. *HONEY MARKET REPORT was ripped off the United Stated Department of Agriculture without permission to use. History of US Honey Market, not necessarily today's market. PLEASE NOT THERE IS AND HAS NOT BEEN A MARKET FOR "ORGANIC" HONEY or have I in 40 years ever seen a price quoted for "ORGANIC" differentiates from any other bulk honey. This would indicate that the market is very small and the term "ORGANIC" does not differentiate in the value of all Honey which by definition and law must be pure. The world honey market today is so thin compared to other world commodities that even the quoted prices for bulk honey as provided by the USDA and others is at times questionable and does not represent all bulk sales especially on the import side. Interesting to note that the NHB assessments collected on imported honey late into the summer far exceeded that collected for domestic production. ttul, the OLd Drone 011897 * This message certified 100% tagline free. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention TEXAS beekeepers - FREE SPEACH issued settled Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:27:45 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 78 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6a4st3$lcc@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jan 21 07:23:47 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal17-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10903 Posted below is the result of a long battle (over two years) with one of our club members (Collin County Hobby Beekeepers Assoc. - Dallas, Texas area) and the state of Texas, Department of Agriculture. Unfortunately, the TDA backed down BEFORE the state statue was proven in court to be unconstitutional. This is a tactic the Texas Department of Agriculture took in order to perserve a BAD LAW and thus keep it "on the books". (IMHO, most likely to have at their disposal to cause future hassles for people). THANKS to those good lawyers who helped protect our (the people's) right of free speach in America. It's a good thing to know that our Bill of Rights are still safe and well in this day. BusyKnight Dallas, TX *************************************************************************** Texas Department of Agriculture Dismisses Free Speech Case Against Beekeeper After a two and a half year legal battle, the Texas Department of Agriculture has dropped charges that beekeeper John Caldeira broke the law simply by talking about pesticides on the Internet. In 1995, the Texas Department of Agriculture (TDA) sent beekeeper John Caldeira a letter in the mail claiming that he broke the law when he discussed the merits of Mavrik, a pesticide, in controlling varroa mites in beehives on Prodigy's bee hobbyist bulletin board. Under Texas law, a pesticide distributor can lose his license for "recommending" a pesticide inconsistent with its labeling or approved EPA use. But Caldeira wasn't a distributor of pesticides or even a commercial beekeeper. He was just a hobbyist repeating what he'd learned from USDA researchers at beekeeping conventions. The TDA went after him anyway, claiming that his Prodigy posts "gave the impression" that he was a knowledgeable commercial beekeeper whose "advice and suggestions would have a significant impact in encouraging illegal use of Mavrik." They inspected Caldeira's hives and found no violations of the law. Still, they pursued Caldeira, seeking to fine him $600. Caldeira countered that his comments were factually accurate, harmed no one and were protected by the First Amendment. After bringing his case to the readers of Fight-Censorship, an electronic mailing list, attorney Jennifer Granick put Caldeira in contact with Texas attorney McGready Richeson. Richeson, representing Caldeira pro bono, moved to challenge the TDA's actions on First Amendment grounds, filed for a stay of the proceedings and prepared to file a declaratory action to determine the constitutionality of the statute. In response, TDA drafted a statement for Caldeira to post "one time per month for three months" to Prodigy, parroting the TDA's position on pesticide use, in exchange for dropping the fine. Richeson rejected them offer, stating that no offer which forced Caldeira either to remain silent or to speak would be acceptable. Meanwhile, the TDA's case was in trouble. On January 12, 1998, Administrative Law Judge Barbara C. Marquardt granted Richeson's Motion to Continue, stating that "the nature of this action is problematic. While it is filed against a Texas resident, it concerns information he place on the Internet, and no harm was done to Texas residents... Thus, the ALJ would prefer that a district court address the constitutional issues." That same day, the TDA dropped their case against Caldeira. The TDA decision to dismiss the case prior to the constitutionality of the law being tested keeps the overly broad and vague law intact, perhaps to be used again. Meanwhile, the case demonstrates that free speech on the Internet is NOT just about pornography. See also: Previous article by Declan McCullagh for Time-Warner's The Netly News: ttp://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1509,00.html Monday, January 19, 1998 ****************************************************************** Article 10904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-237.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New to the service Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:52:36 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34c6702c.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <01bd12f3$8cfd3800$74971cd0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10904 glbarbor wrote in message <01bd12f3$8cfd3800$74971cd0@default>... >What might I find here, as I am new to the web and the service? I'm a bit of a 'newbie' here too, but I can tell you that you'll find everything you ever wanted to know about beekeeping, from bee biology, to honey flavours, to hive plans, methods, etc., Another thing I've found is that beekeepers all over the world, are nice, friendly people! But then I knew that, 'coz I'm one! JohnJohn Flemming gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remone to reply Article 10905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dec Plant & Hive Conditions US Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:13:15 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c3c15b.1150149@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.104 Lines: 236 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10905 Subject: DEC BEE & PLANT CONDITIONS From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:25:04 GMT NATIONAL HONEY NARKET NEWS January 12, 1998 COLONY, HONEY PLANT & MARKET CONDITIONS DURING DECEMBER CALIFORNIA Four weeks of wet weather continued into December. The first storm began on the 5th when heavy rain began failing along the central coast and moved into Southern California causing local flooding. Santa Barbara recoorded 9" of rain in 24 hours while Laguna Beach received over 6" just the morning of the 6th. Heavy winds and rain with lightning in West Los Angeles knocked out power in some areas. The storm also brought snow and ice to the mountains north and east of Los Angeles. Santa Ana winds allowed Southern California to dry out for a few days but then another storm system moved in right before Christmas bringing as much as two more inches of rain to two more inches of rain to parts of Central and Southern Caifornia. Significant amounts of snow continued to accumulate in the mountains. During the same time, lows dipped to freezing or below in the San Joaquin Valey. Daily record lows were recorded in some areas causing some concern by citrus growers that are right in the middle of harvest. Most beekeepers were busy during December checking colony strength, equalizing and adding sugar syrup when needed to get the bees ready to move into almonds the end of January. Some beekeepers reported an increase in Tracheal Mites because of the cool, wet weather. After the losses that occurred last January from floods in the northern part of the state, beekeepers were moving their hives to higher elevations. Companies that sell beekeeping supplies report then had a good month as purchases of boxes and frames increased because producers were busy doing a lot of maintenance work. The honey market is fairly weak as most packers purchased honey earlier and now find their warehouses full. Sales were also a little slow as retailers have not lowered their prices. At the same time, producers seem anxious to sell their honey even though they are not happy about the lower prices being offered. COLORADO * * * Beekeepers around the state have generally completed the fall treatment and medicating, and are currently feeding the bees that were kept instate in holding yards. Most of the migratory beekeepers are currently out of state with their colonies during the Winter months. Colonies are reported to be in fair to good condtion -at this time. Weather during the month of December for the state of Colorado was mixed as some portions of the state some received above normal snow fall while others were seasonal. The southern part of the state received heavy snows averaging from 30 to 40 inches in most mountains areas. The front range of Colorado did experience a major blizzard t he first part of the month with snow drifts as high as 5 feet in some areas. Temperatures for the Denver area averaged from 35-45 degrees for daytime highs and 15-20 degrees for the lows. ILLINOIS * * * Temeperatures had been above normal most of the month throughout the state. High's had been recorded generally in the 40's and low's in the 20's. State Apiary and many Beekeepers had concerns with the unseasonable warm temperatures and problems that they would create. Bees would deplete overwintering stores more rapidly than normal and without the normal cluster, a sudden cold wave could have resulted in losses of bees. Beekeepers activities were repairing equipment. Honey movement has been slow. FLORIDA * * * Temperatures averaged about nomw for the month of December but more than a dozen daily-record highs were set from December 9th through 12th. Ft. Lauderdale (87, 86 & 87 degrees) and Miami (96, 85 & 85 degrees) notched three consecutive records apeace. December, 1997 was the wettest on record in Florida at Jacksonville (9.77" - 3 59% of normal), Orlando (I 2.63 " - 587% of normal) and Tampa (I 5.57" - 724%). (Bee) Activity was very slow in Florida. Bees were feeding on the very light supplies of Spanish needle, loquat and maialuka. Beekeepers are still trying to find a treatment to control the Varroa Miites. Bees that are not affected by the mite are in good condition. Demand for Florida honey was fairly good at steady prices. IDAHO & UTAH * * * December was warmer than average despite bitter cold temperatures around the Christmas holiday in Idaho and Utah. Some beekeepers are continuing to treat bees and keep them in wintering buildings. Larger migratory beekeepers were busy during the month making preparations for moving hives to California. INDIANA The state had experienced a mild winter with temperatures of 40's and 50's reported overnight temperatures in the 20's and 30's. In Southern Indiana, pansys were still blooming and ornamental kale and snapdragons had not benn killed out. Very little activities were reported. Beekeepers had moved very little bulk honey, while retail sales had been reported good due to holiday baking. MISSOURI & IOWA * * * Temperatures averaged slightly below average, but had wide swings from near record highs to about average lows as fronts moved through the Midwest. Precipitation was below normal and year end totals were generally slightly below the 5 year average. The few beekeepers who were not finished with honey extraction finished that job. Beekeepcrs/packers packed and delivered holiday honey orders. Some beekeepers have started the winter chore of repairing and building new equipment for the 1998 honey crop. Bees in most locations should have been able to have cleansing flights during the warm weeks. MONTANA * * * Dryness continued across most of the state through the first of December, where little precipitation has fallen since early October. 2-7" of snow finally fell in the central section of the state on the IOth but by weeks end, warm, breezy conditions retumed and a daily -record high was set in Glendive, along the easten border. On the 11th, West Yellow Stone reported a low of minus 32 degrees. The 2 1/2 month dry spell continued through the end of the month, accompanied temperatures up to 20 degrees above normal. On Christmas day, Glasgow, in the northeast comer of the state reached 40 degrees, in sharp contrast to last year's high of minus 18 degrees and low of minus 36 degrees. Also in Glasgow, temperatures failed to fall below "O" in December for the first time on record, while only . 0 1 " of precipitation fell. Wind gusts reached 76 mph in some areas of Central Montana. The warm temperatures have thrown the bees out of their regular winter routine and there is some concern they will not be clustered when and if extremely cold weather hits. Colonies are also consuming their winter stores at a rapid rate. Those bees wintered in California holding yards were checked during December and are reported to be in good condition. A little pollen was added to some hives to sustain the colonies until the almond bloom starts. Honey sales were reported to be good over the holidays both from gift packs and in retail stores. NEVADA * * * The month of December was warmer than usual and beekeepers report that some warmer days have given the bees a chance to fly and helped them stay healthy. Larger migratory beekeepers are in California feeding bees, building up the broods and getting ready to start the winter pollination season. OREGON*** Weather conditions were fairly mild during December with most precipitation coming from rain. Adequate amounts of snow finally fell the Cascade Mountains. One fairly large storm did hit the coast on the 16th bringing winds gusts of 45 mph. On the 3 1 st, daily records were set in Central Oregon with 61 degrees and along the southern coast which reached 72 degrees. Most beekeeping activities included regular winter maintenance and preparing colonies for their trip to the California almonds the end of January. WASHINGTON * * * Unseasonably warmn temperatures were reported in Western Washington during December with daytime highs in the mid 50's. One winter storm moved down from British Columbia on the 16th bringing heavy rains and wind gusts of 45 mph along the coast. In Central Washington, so far this has been one of the mildest winters in recent years with daytime temperatures 3-8 degrees above normal. Conditions were ideal for field work. Eastern Washington reported average amounts of precipitation, usually from rain instead of snow. Most of the snow fell in the Cascade Mountains or in the northeast section of the state. Cool weather Mtemated with warmer days. Daytime highs were mostly in the low to mid-50's but the southeast comer of the state did reach the low 60's around the middle of the month. Night time lows in Central and Eastern Washington ranged from the low 20's to the low 30's. The mild temperatures have the bees consuming their winter stores faster than usual but they are reported to be in good condition. Beekeepers that have their colonies wintered in California went down during December to check on the bees and to get them ready to move into the almonds the end of January. They found heavier than usual losses from mites so they had to spend extra time removing the dead-outs. Some beekeepers that usually take their bees to holding yards in California in November are waiting until the almonds are ready to bloom this year because of the mild winter here and all the precipitation California has been receiving. A few beekeepers have decided not to go at all this year because of the flooding problems that occurred last January. Representatives of the Washington State Beekeepers Assn attended a hearing of the (State) Senate Agriculture and Environment Committee on December 4th to present their views on proposed changes to the Apiary Program. The proposed legislation would if passed: Restructure the funding of the Apiary Program, shifting the responsibility for the payment of the pollination service fee from the grower to the beekeeper or broker - Make registration voluntary for those with less than 25 hives - Expand the Apiary Advisory Conunittee from I I to 12 members and establish certain qualifications of eligibility - Clarify the law and increase the Director's ability to carry fee-related provisions of the statute - Eliminate current required inspection of bees and equipment before entering the state, but authorizes the Director to require certification of inspection, if the need arises. These changes would become effective upon signature by the Governor, in time for the shift of the pollination service fee from grower to beekeepers, for the 1998 pollination season. The W.S.B.A. is in favor of the changes except the voluntary registration of those beekeepers with less than 25 hives. They feel is would eliminate the hobby beekeepers, a valuable segment of the industry. The W.S.B.A. legislative committee wants to insert in the language of the bill, "that all beekeepers are part of the industry, in all apiary matters. In case of a vote, all registered beekeepers are equal - one beekeeper-one vote". The next hearing will be held on January 19th in Olympia. WISCONSIN * * * Beekeepers had finished most apiary activities for the season. Mite treatment strips had been pulled from hives and supplemental feedings increased slightly, due to above normal temperatures. Precipitation was below normal for the month with only modest snow coverings. Due to the mild temperatures, bees had a few days of cleansing flights. Ripped off and edited from the United States of America Department of Agricuture Agriculture Marketing Service Fruits and Vegetable Division that advertises a fine of $300 to use one of their stamped envelopes without permission by the OLd Drone. ... Some bee had stung it newly. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dec Honey Market US Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:09:31 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c3c005.807952@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.104 Lines: 136 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10906 Subject: DEC US HONEY MARKET From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:22:33 GMT NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS (edited edition) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DATE: January 12, 1998 Fruit and Vegetable Division 2015 South I st Street - RM 4 Yakima, WA 96903 MONTH OF DECEMBER, 1997 Prices paid to beekeepers for extracted, unprocessed honey in major producing states by packers, handlers & other large users, cents per pound, f.o.b. or delivered nearby, containers exchanged or returned, prompt delivery and payment unless otherwise stated. ARKANSAS - Soybean, extra light amber, 69-70 cents CALIFORNIA - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 63 cents - Blue Curl, white, 72 cents - Blue Curl, extra light amber, 63 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 75 cents - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, extra light amber, 60-61 - Cotton/Alfalfa/Buckwheat, light amber, 60 cents - Mixed Flowers, extra fight amber, 73 cents - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 59 - 60 cents - Orange, white, 81 cents (delivered to east coast) - Sage, white, 72 - 81 cents (higher price indicates honey delivered to east coast) - Sage, extra fight amber, 63 cents - Sage, light amber, 61 cents FLORIDA - Brazilian Pepper, fight amber, 65 cents IDAHO - Alfalfa, extra light amber, 65 - 70 cents - Alfalfa, light amber,--67-ceiits - - - Buckwheat, amber, 61 cents - Buckwheat, dark amber, 55 - 61 cents INDIANA - Wildflowers, mediwn amber, 86 cents LOUISLA,NA - Chinese Tallow, fight amber, 65 cents MICHIGAN - Mixed Flowers, meidum amber, 90 cents - Napweed, medium amber, 86 cents MINNESOTA - Clover, white, 78 cents - Clover/Sunflowers, white, 70 cents MONTANA - Alfalfa, white, 74 cents - Clover, white, 68 - 76 cents . Clover, extra light amber, 74 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 76 cents NEBRASKA - Alfalfa, white, 75 cents - Cloven(Alfalfa, white, 68 - 70 cents N. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 68 - 75 cents - Clover, extra light amber, 63 cents OHIO - Clover, white, 75 cents OREGON - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, light amber, 61 cents - Alfalfa/Mixed Flowers, amber, 59 cents S. DAKOTA - Clover, white, 70 - 75 cents - Clover, light amber, 86 cents TEXAS - Chinese Tallow, light amber, 65 - 70 cents WASHINGTON - Carrot, light amber, 61 cents (small lot) - Clover, white, 72 - 75 cents . Loostrife, light amber, 63 cents - Loostrife, amber, 59 - 61 cents - Mint/Wildflowers, amber, 59 cents - Sage, extra light amber, 65 cents (small lot) - Vetch, white, 73 cents (small lot) WYOMING - Clovcr/Alfalfa, white, 75 cents Prices paid to Canadian beekeepers for unprocessed bulk honey by packers and importers in U.S. currency, f.o.b. shipping point, containers included unless otherwise stated. Duty and crossing charges extra. US-Cents per pound. MANITOBA - floral source unknown, extra fight amber, 75 cents Prices paid to importers for bulk honey, duty paid, containers included, cents per pound ex-dock or point of entry unless otherwise stated. EAST COAST ARGENTINA - Mixed Flowers, white, 64 - 67 - Mixed Flowers, extra light amber, 62 - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 62 cents WEST COAST MEXICO - Mixed Flowers, light amber, 58 cents CALIFORNIA BEESWAX MARKET SITUATION --- DECEMBER, 1997 (unbleached, raw beeswax, delivered to handlers's warehouse) Offerings of wax were about normal during December but some handlers still have warehouses full of wax they purchased last fall. Orders of wax products were fairly good during October and November but then declined in December. Prices being offered to producers were about steady for light colored wax and slightly lower for the darker wax. Prices in California for light wax ranged from $1.70 - 1.80. Dark colored wax was being purchased at $1.50 - 1.60 per pound. *Ripped off the United Stated Department of Agriculture without permission to use. History of US Honey Market, not necessarily today's market. ttul, the OLd Drone * This message certified 100% tagline free. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:04:04 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c4d7db.517174@news.jps.net> References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> <696evb$e92@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> <34b7a3a0.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.233.103 Lines: 27 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.233.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10907 On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:32:39 -0000, "John Flemming" wrote: >I have met several 'older' beekeepers who have had to give up their hobby, >because, after many years of being stung, with no effect. other than slight >soreness (some even claiming to be immune from bee stings), have then >suddenly developed near-fatal allergy to bee venom. Allergies are still so >little understood, that anyone making a 'definitive' statement on the >subject, is on shaky ground. A study would be good.......... Over the years I have heard of several old beekeepers in California who were found dead in their bee yards. One may have died from fatal stings, others died from heart conditions, and several just found it a good place to end it all by hand and at least one was helped by a jealous husband. (X) You are here. ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Construction plans for an extractor Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:39:44 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34C632CF.2D73@Birkey.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24145@206.68.164.85 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10908 Greetings - Dave Verville contacted me some time ago about plans that he was working on for a 20 frame extractor. He finished the extractor and sent me the drawings he did for it. I have just finished putting them up on the web. There is also plans available for a 10 frame assembly jig. Thanks Dave. Files at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 10909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver1@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: 22 Jan 1998 04:02:58 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9199@209.42.133.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10909 First off I want to say I'm marveled each time I watch the honeybees I keep, either coming or going into their front door, or when I take the hive apart to examine the frames and brood. Here is my story about my experience with my honeybees. Last week I had pulled a hang nail off of my left thumb. Needless to say it got infected (next time I will use nail clippers). I work at a local hospital and a nurse told me that I should go see a doctor to have the infection lanced. Well, I told her that I didn't like to be cut on. So she said for me to soak the thumb in warm salt water 3 times a day, as warm as I could stand it (120degrees is about as warm as I could stand). Then put triple antibiotic ointment on to help get rid of the infection. Well, I did this for about 5 days, and I hadn't seen any change in the infection. It seemed to be just sitting there at the nail and not breaking down for the body's immune system to take over. I remembered reading about the antibiotic properties of propolis and thought I'd give it a chance. I remembered that I had a piece of proplois that I had gotten from a hive this past summer when removing supers. I placed a small piece of the propolis on the infection and used a Band-Aid to hold it into place. With in 32 hours I could tell that the infection was breaking down and moving down the thumb so the immune system could do it's job. I'm not saying that the propolis alone was the reason that the healing started... but it didn't seem to be doing anything until I used the propolis. It still amazes me to watch my honeybees and to think of all the products these little ladies and gentlemen contribute to the world. To bad all humans couldn't learn from honeybees and nature in general, but they haven't figured out a way to make money that way, yet. Article 10910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jack Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to clean wax + honey on concrete? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:36:48 -0700 Organization: West.Net Communications Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34C6CCE0.BDC9AA81@west.net> References: <34C519A2.C876B957@west.net> Reply-To: jvanolst@west.net NNTP-Posting-Host: term2-3.vta.west.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!news.lava.net!coconut-wireless!news.flex.com!news.west.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10910 Re: Cleaning a garage floor covered with wax and honey Update: I cleaned the floor, following advice from several of you, to just use hot water and "elbow grease". It worked. It was interesting to see that the garage had absolutely no spiders, bugs, etc., whereas the garage next door has all kinds of live bugs. Is there something magic about bee gunk that repels bugs? Thanks for the suggestions, Jack Article 10911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!innfeed.telstra.net!nsw1.news.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hamilton White" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplier in Munich Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:31:26 +1100 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 5 Message-ID: <885464819.677838@halibut.pnc.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.13.174.1 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Cache-Post-Path: halibut.pnc.com.au!unknown@bm031.pnc.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10911 Can anyone please provide me with the address of the Beekeeping Goods Factory in Munich? I visited the place in 1963 and it had the most fantastic range of goods. I'd like to get a catalogue from them. Thanks. Article 10912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-8.compuserve.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!spry.com From: SOFTWARE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MS W I N D O W S 95 (OSR2.1) $ 6 5 Date: Tuesday, 20 Jan 1998 00:26:14 -0600 Organization: PQR2 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <20019800.2614@spry.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd53-240.hil.compuserve.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10912 >>> COMPUTER SOFTWARE / HARDWARE <<< up to 7 5% O F F !!! http://www.goingonce.net Zu<^&vcA Article 10913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:40:10 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c6bcde.20022533@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.190 Lines: 73 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.62.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10913 News Group Help & Also includes a few bee barbs. Another of those big lies from our US state governments. "I am from the Texas Department of Agriculture and I am here to tell you what you can post or read!" Something is really wrong when any individuals property is put at risk because of a normal everyday viscera of posts to any news group or news list. You all need to read this, true all the ends well is OK, and if you have not heard the Texas Department of Agriculture dropped it's case when the courts sent it down for constitutional review in a higher court, but this has to bee an example of what makes cynics out of young beekeepers when it comes to Bee Regulators and their BS (Bee Science) allies in the US Department of Agriculture ARS, and many state Universities and State Agriculture Departments. I see no difference in destroying a person for what he writes and destroying his livelihood in a Bee Quarantines because of some perceived pest once it has landed on our shores, and "give enough time they all will". Browse on over to: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/@@XWzi6AUAVyrIBMvz/netly/opinion/0,1042,1509,00.h tml (X) You are here. If parts of the address are missing just type them in at the end of your browser html address line. Back on track. On of the of the problems with the news groups is that the posts are sometimes so slow to get around that many times an answer to a question is posted before the original question. Those of us who are on the slow end of the news servers find many different ways of overcoming this inefficiency that is built in to the news server system by spying on mail from more then one providers news server. Of course if both providers are using the same news server you get the bill but don't solve the problem, like getting your pick me up truck worked on downtown. Another popular solution is to use the DEJANEWS service to post and receive the beekeeping news group and its free: http://search.dejanews.com/bg.xp?level=sci.agriculture.beekeepingST=++ Several methods are available to search our posts or to check on your posts, this is one that works for me most of the time: http://dry2.jps.net/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=xovergroup=sci.agriculture.beekeep ing Again if you can't make this work try adding the missing letters. Then if you are looking for the kind of information the Texas Department of Agriculture would bar you from seeing try People Helping One Another Know Stuff. This is for sure a site that would be banned for Texas beekeepers, a state that would regulate beekeepers even on the net. I am sure Texas pattern's their bee laws over what California has but can not use because of the withdrawal of funding. About time Texas beekeepers wake up and cut them black hatted bee regulators off at the pocket book and not at the pass a heck of a lot cheeper then fighting them in the courts for years. Check out this site: http://www.phoaks.com/sci/agriculture/beekeeping/index.html ttul, the Old Drone ... And where the bee with cowslip bells was wrestling. "Until the Texas bee regulators stepped on them." 12198 blist rerun (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: more on government & beekeeping Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:07:42 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c7bfbc.20757020@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.62.190 Lines: 118 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.62.190 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10914 At 06:45 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: *in the BEE-List* >Another of those big lies from our US state governments. >"I am from the Texas Department of Agriculture and I am here to tell you >what you can post or read!" >This technology that we are using now is is going to be the biggest bane to >government bureaucrats that there ever was. News travels so fast and so >much of it that I do believe that we are going to see more honesty and >better government because of it. Hi Billy Bee, I really hope you are right... But I also hope that Mr. Caldeira does not let his experience end without some kind of political or civil action. Far too often over zealous regulators, and I include bee regulators are able to walk away when they are wrong or did wrong under the cover of law and the lowly beekeeper is the loser even when he wins. The powers of the State of Texas were mis applied against this beekeepers and who knows how many others because of not what he or they did but what was written or said. If I say, and I have said, that I am personally for beekeepers in the US being able to import bee stock in a regulated market, and also say how it can be done safely and successfully. Am I to expect a knock on my door in the future by some bee regulating agency of the government. Note no question mark because I can tell you I know the answer from the experience of many others and my own and it is yes. They may not come from the bee regulators, they may come in the dress of the tax appraiser, immigration agent, water or air quality board or some other of the legions of regulators beekeepers must work for and from experience they may come armed and ready to take more then your share of taxes.. In California we had a bee inspector accidently cause a fire that burned up a bee yard (100+). It was an accident and the loser was the beekeeper. In the same year we had a beekeeper accidently cause a fire because of his catalytic converter and dry grass, (at the time by regulation this could not officially happen), and he was made to pay the full cost of putting the fire out. Lucky for the beekeeper his bees were saved and his insurance company worked out the cost of the suppressing the fire, a $250,000.00 bill, with the state. To some my illustrations are like apples and oranges but to me both represent the arrogance of government and IMHO the misuse of the power people give the state. Thousands of hives were killed in the federal-state T-mite quarantines, most of them in Texas and California. Dozens of good bee people big and small had their lives forever ruined, some never recovered emotionally or financially. It was wrong, no one would listen to the few that said it was wrong and had presented good factual scientific evidence before the quarantine rules were passed. In fact it was so wrong that in recent years the federal administrators in charge of the US Animal and Plant Quarantine's use the Bee Mite Quarantine as an example of how not to have quarantines, yet to this day no beekeeper involved has received an apology from those responsible or fair remuneration for their losses. Some of the regulators and academics who went as far as to even give the courts false and misleading scientific evidence today are still employed by their agency's and in fact one of the greatest enemies the bee industry ever had in California is now a big shot Federal administrator and dealing with some programs involving the bee industry. He is still a jerk...! But at least he is out of California given a lateral transfer instead of a horizonal one he should have got. Even the beekeepers and queen breeders who promised to help those who fell under the ax for the most part reneged on their promises as they were overwhelmed by the enormity of the loss. Many quietly did help out their neighbors, God Bless them all. The Federal Quarantine on Afrikaans bees is another example of how far some in government will go even with the sure knowledge that what they are doing other then being interesting to some has no basis in fact or law and the regulation could not stand under a court challenge or the light of day, yet in Texas and other states quarantines or regulations still exist and are enforced or are they. It is easy to find bees from regulated areas of Texas that find their way to California, Washington, the Dakota's, Florida, and you name it. African bees as presented wit the hype of the killer bees or the Tex-Mex bee, or the pure thing from Africa are NOT new to the United States and have never been a problem and are not a problem even though some will say they are for what ever their reason, more times then not what they have read, heard or been told, but not what they have experienced working with African and non African bees. Regulations should be made based on facts and not on what any one or any group perceives as the fact no matter that groups standing in government. The beekeeping industry in the past had years when the bee regulatory industry had a grater net income then the honey production industry and is this one reason for more bee regulation at least if you are a bee regulator it is. Yes all bee regulators are not bad people, but few of them if told too would not have cited Mr. Caldeira. I have seen them crying as they gassed some poor beekeepers bees knowing they were doing the wrong thing and yet the next day they were back to gas some other beekeepers bees, oh how "sorry" they were. Maybe the tear's were from the gas fumes and not the heart, my own tears came from what's inside most beekeepers, and a respect for nature, and others efforts. I remember not one US BS, (bee scientists), giving testimony or support to those beekeepers, but I am sure there was at least one I just can't remember which one. Well, Mr Caldeira may not have to pay a $600 fine but the people responsible for trying to collect it are still out there and who know who will be the next beekeeper victim. ttul, the OLd Drone (Void where prohibited by common sense) (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-208.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:27:39 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 32 Message-ID: <34c7277e.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10915 vger wrote in message <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com>... Propolis is one of the most valuable hive products! Many apiarists collect it for the very purpose you have written of. I read a story in a beekeeping book (afraid I can't remember where) about a beekeeper who had a hive far from his own home and was unable to check the hive for about five or six years. When he eventually did get to check ot out, he found the bees still thriving. In the bottom of the hive he found a large 'lump' of propolis, which he scraped up with a hive tool. The lump was actually a mouse, which had crawled in, and died. The bees had completely coated it with propolis, as it was too big for them to remove, and it was COMPLETELY PRESERVED! Try http://www.thorne.co.uk who sell a propolis Screen ( which is similar to a queen excluder, but with much smaller 'holes'). The bees fill the gaps with propolis, you then refrigate the screen and the propolis can be extracted easily. A lot of people take a little dose of the stuff every day, and swear by it's medicinal properties! Also, honey itself is believed to be one of natures 'miracles'; if applied to cuts, it is said to accelerate healing, and to guard against infection. (I have put honey on a cut hand, and it healed within days; I also have a strong suspicion that it is a pretty good 'anti-zit' cream, though I have no real evidence/research to confirm this) John Flemming gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remone to reply Article 10916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplier in Munich Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:53:56 Organization: IM Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <885464819.677838@halibut.pnc.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10916 In article <885464819.677838@halibut.pnc.com.au> "David Hamilton White" writes: >From: "David Hamilton White" >Subject: Beekeeping Supplier in Munich >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:31:26 +1100 >Can anyone please provide me with the address of the Beekeeping Goods >Factory in Munich? I visited the place in 1963 and it had the most >fantastic range of goods. I'd like to get a catalogue from them. Thanks. It may be Chr. Graze KG, Strümpfelbacher Strasse 21 7056 Weinstadt " (Endersbach) Knut Article 10917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cargo.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to clean wax + honey on concrete? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:37:28 -0500 Organization: lahdeefreakindaaah Lines: 25 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <34C519A2.C876B957@west.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cargo.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10917 Wash the floor with a lye solution, which will dissolve the wax/propolis. It will probably take a few treatments. (gloves and goggles!) AFAIK, honey stains concrete black, and you can't remove the stain. Except for that you should be able to get rid of the buildup. In article <34C519A2.C876B957@west.net>, jvanolst@west.net wrote: > I am trying to clean the concrete floor of a garage that has been used > for bee operations for 40 years. There are areas where honey and > sawdust have made a epoxy-like coating, and others where polished > beeswax makes it incredibly slippery to walk on. Not being a > bee-person, I wonder if there are any suggestions that would help me. I > have considered: > > 1) Renting a steam-cleaning device > 2) Wax floor stripping compound > 3) acid > 4) ammonia or bleach > 5) giving up altogether > > Please help me if you can, and thanks in advance, > > Jack Van Olst > jvanolst@west.net Article 10918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying bees in central Mass. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 11:04:37 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <17EE59BC9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <69rpv4$5bm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10918 >In article <69rpv4$5bm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "wb" > wrote: > >> Is there a dealer for bees and supplies close to Worcester County? I don't know the area personally, but you will have good luck contacting the Worcester County Beekeepers Association. An online contact is JenkinsDJT@aol.com (Duane Jenkins). Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 10919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!rice!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1226.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new beekeeper, new hives Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:31 -0400 Organization: Fleezlethizzle Lines: 37 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1226.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10919 Hi Alan -- So you already built the WBC's. As I understand it, you are keeping them at home, and will have Nationals in your out-yards. Well, I would just make standard Nationals. A narrower-than-standard hive would not be -- well, "standard." It all depends -- how many colonies do you plan to run, eventually, and do you think you might sell some someday. Hard to say, I know. Buyers would offer much less for non-standard equipment, usually. And if you ever expand you might regret having non-standard stuff mixed in. The main thing is that the *frame* is standard and interchangeable. If you are going to have more than a couple of out-yards, things will probably be easier in the long run if you keep to regular Nationals. At home "at the bottom of the garden" you can keep the nicer-looking WBC's, and if you have more than a couple of hives there, you shouldn't need to mix any National boxes with the WBC equipment. You can just swap whatever boxes are required between the WBC's. Also, I believe the WBC inner boxes are designed with thinner boards than the Nationals(?). So if you make National-type boxes to fit within the lifts, then even those boxes will not be "standard" (WBC standard, I mean). It is a bit of a dilemma. I would want whatever I was using to be standard, one way or the other. Over time it will make things easier to deal with. Anyway, that's my suggestion. This hobby tends to expand, and you never know... maybe you'll have a bigger operation before long. Too bad they didn't just make the WBC and Nationals same size! Best wishes, Joel Govostes Freeville, NY Article 10920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cruzzze@aol.com (Cruzzze) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Plans? Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:12:36 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <19980123021200.VAA13850@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6a2of7$eht@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10920 >Subject: Re: Extractor Plans? >From: David Verville >Date: Mon, Jan 19, 1998 12:52 EST >Message-id: <6a2of7$eht@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net> > >Greg wrote: > > are there any plans out there for building a honey extractor, >small hobby type. > >Coming shortly to a web page near you! > >I just recently drew up plans for a couple of extractors that I >built. Barry Birkey is in the final stages of converting >my format(drw) to his format(pdf) and will "put them up" on his >home page very soon. Check his page ever so often. What is that page address? Thanks Cruzzze Super Dave Article 10921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:19:38 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34c9fb7a.36745797@news.jps.net> References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> <01bd1bcc$2d3b9600$259182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.57.133 Lines: 32 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.57.133 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10921 alt.folklore.urban:395742 On 8 Jan 1998 00:26:43 GMT, "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" wrote: >those in a beekeeper's household that do not get stung routinely >themselves do have a higher than normal instance of sensitivity >to bee venom - this is likely do to inhaling dried venom brought >in on the beekeepers clothes Many people who become super sensitive to honeybees are found to be sensitive to the protein of the whole bee and not just that contained in the venom. This works both ways and many people who have aliments that respond to bee venom also can find the same relief from other products of the hive without the pain of the bee sting. An example would be my step-father who did not work around or in the bees. In later life developed an arthritic condition that plagued him for years until one winter he came for an extended visit an I put him to work in the honey house cleaning out old supers with a hive tool. His arthritis and gout went away in a few weeks and after the 2nd winter of inside bee work, never returned, and he also did not need to return and I lost a good free winter helper around the bee barn... ttul, the OLd Drone ... The bee enclosed and through the amber shown, (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 10922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more on government & beekeeping Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:19:49 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <34c80b1a.257456552@news.earthlink.net> References: <34c7bfbc.20757020@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.182.156 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10922 >At 06:45 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: *in the BEE-List* >>Another of those big lies from our US state governments. >>"I am from the Texas Department of Agriculture and I am here to tell you >>what you can post or read!" Andy, The Texas Department of Agriculture (TDA) initiated a lawsuit against me solely for writing public electronic notes, and then resisted my attempts to challenge the constitutionality of the law. The judge dismissed the case after the TDA declined further prosecution when faced of a constitutional challenge of the law. The answer to speech that we don't like is NOT to stop that speech. The answer is MORE speech - rebuttals, refutations, and healthy debate (beekeepers are good at that!). The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits laws that abridge the freedom of speech. There are laws on the books that give legitimate courses of action to recover damages that do not restrict speech. Governments sometimes pass unconstitutional laws that sound good, perhaps initiated by moneyed interests and/or appeal to voters. Then they go after people that violate those laws (The Computer Decency Act and food disparagement laws are other examples). The effect of these laws is to chill speech. I think the TDA stretched pretty far to find "something" to make my notes illegal. I thought that they would give it up after I cooperated with their request for information and let them inspect my hives, but they did not. The TDA did not dispute the truthfulness of what I wrote, and even agreed that no harm was done. They still pursued it, seemingly without concern for what was right and fair. They have reportedly not responded to media inquiries about my case. My attorneys inform me that I could still file a "declaratory action" to challenge the statute that I was charged with, even though the TDA dropped the charges against me. My current thinking is to let it drop, but my memory of the TDA's darker side will remain forever. They lost my respect. I agree with the earlier post that suggested that the Internet helps with communication on issues like this. At the same time, attacks on free speech from government and special interests are intense and it demands our commitment to allowing free speech - even if we don't agree with everything that we read or hear. Back to beekeeping for me! Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New to the service Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:18:34 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <34c812ec.1026823@news.usit.net> References: <01bd12f3$8cfd3800$74971cd0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.179 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10923 On 20 Jan 1998 23:23:40 GMT, "glbarbor" wrote: >What might I find here, as I am new to the web and the service? You're surely at the right place glbarbor. Last year at this time I couldn't even spell Beekeeper and now I are one. I have read many books, talked to alot of old beekeepers, read pamphlets from the University of Tennessee agriculture extension office, and went to a BeeMasters program but I have probably learned more from this newsgroup than any other one place. The main thing is don't be afraid to screw-up. "JUST DO IT" You should have seen be install my first package of bees last spring. I didn't paint sugar water on the screen (to feed the bees) and I didn't use any smoke. When I pulled the feeder can out of the package the queen cage fell to the bottom and was covered with bees. I dug it out and layed it on top of the frames and then picked it back up to make sure the queen was alive and to dig a little of the candy out. While I was doing all of this about 2 1/2 lbs. of my 3lb of bees were flying all around me and I had yellow spots all over my new white cotton bee suit since the bees hadn't had a cleansing flight since they were put into the package. I also noticed that not all of the bees were on the OUTSIDE of my new pith helment with stretch on veil but that at least three of them were buzzing inside the veil about 1" away from my eyeballs. I quickly proceeded to jerk the helmet and veil off my head and run for the garage. Luckily or through devine intervention I wasn't stung and I regrouped and finished the job. When I bought the bees I was told by my mentor that they were mite resistant so I thought since I live way back in the sticks there would be no way I could have a mite problem, Well imagine how I panicked the day I had a frame of brood out looking at it with the sun to my back and I saw this little tiny red frisbee with legs in the front skating across my brood nest. I was devistated. I ran up to the house and fired up my Netscape Navigator looking for pictures of this varmit. Sure enough, there it was the mighty Varroa. By the end of the summer I had harvested 20 quarts of the finest honey that my family, friends, and me had ever eaten from my two new colonies. By October the little gals had also stored up two supers of honey for themselves. I left my 2 Apistan strips in for 55 days and my menthol in for about 60 days, through in a Terrymician paty and I'm just waiting for a warm day in Feb. to look and see how they faired over the winter and make sure I've got some healthy brood. I'll also feed them a gallon of Fumidil syrup. I have really enjoyed it but I'm really dreading the chance of swarming in April and May. I've already built two more hive boxes and I'll probably buy another package for one of them and keep the other just in case I get a swarm. Hang in there guy and remember, You ain't screwed up until you can't fix it. Richard Hall Article 10924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.200.9!news.fidnet.com!not-for-mail From: John Brackman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:38:44 -0800 Organization: Fidelity Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34C83AF4.32FE@fidnet.com> References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> <34c7277e.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: judge20@fidnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sullivan-mo-75.fidnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10924 John Flemming wrote: > > vger wrote in message <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com>... > > Propolis is one of the most valuable hive products! Many apiarists collect > it for the very purpose you have written of. > I read a story in a beekeeping book (afraid I can't remember where) about a > beekeeper who had a hive far from his own home and was unable to check the > hive for about five or six years. When he eventually did get to check ot > out, he found the bees still thriving. In the bottom of the hive he found a > large 'lump' of propolis, which he scraped up with a hive tool. > The lump was actually a mouse, which had crawled in, and died. The bees had > completely coated it with propolis, as it was too big for them to remove, > and it was COMPLETELY PRESERVED! > > Try http://www.thorne.co.uk who sell a propolis Screen ( which is similar to > a queen excluder, but with much smaller 'holes'). The bees fill the gaps > with propolis, you then refrigate the screen and the propolis can be > extracted easily. A lot of people take a little dose of the stuff every > day, and swear by it's medicinal properties! > Also, honey itself is believed to be one of natures 'miracles'; if applied > to cuts, it is said to accelerate healing, and to guard against infection. > (I have put honey on a cut hand, and it healed within days; I also have a > strong suspicion that it is a pretty good 'anti-zit' cream, though I have no > real evidence/research to confirm this) > John Flemming > gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk > Remone to reply I think it has to be raw honey. Wsn't propolis what Hippocrates used as his medicine? Article 10925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: epi-pens Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:36:50 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6a9do1$r2o$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <34C1755E.1016@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp06.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10925 You would have a legally defensible position through the use of informative warning notices on the fences, like "Notice. Honeybees. Approach at your own risk." Whether you would use an epi-pen on them is a separate question possibly involving separate liability. Those things are pretty hairy. I saw them when I was drafted and they told us how to slam them against your thigh in case of nerve gas attack. I would much rather be stung by many bees than be stuck with one of those things. In article <34C1755E.1016@sympatico.ca>, peter.bussell@sympatico.ca wrote: >I have a PYO raspberry operation. My bees are a very important part of >it. Since the hives are closeby the chance of the public getting stung >is inevitable. I purchased 2 epi-pens since the closest hospital is 20km >away. Any advice about using the pen in case someone reacts strongly to >a stung. Maybe this is a question for a lawyer. Any advice would be >greatly appreciated ie. what symptoms would determine using the >pen.Thanks Beeeing careful. Article 10926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite control ?????? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:47:13 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6a9ebe$r2o$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp06.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10926 That article says that mites can be controlled by selective breeding. This is bs. Tracheal mites is a mechanical problem. What does she want to do, breed smaller breathing tubes into these bees so that the mites can't squeeze down into the tubes? Why doesn't she breed bigger mites instead? Everyone knows that the bees are having a hard time getting the upper hand over the mites because of this ancient tradition of every beekeeper always using these nazi Langstroth frames. All beekeepers will shift over to top bar hives and junk their Langstroth spinners and de-cappers, please. In article <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com>, Roger wrote: >I found this be accident today > >www.acs.ohio-state.edu/units/research/archive/buzz.htm > > >It is about natural selection and breeding of bees that are not affected >by the mite. Article 10927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.254.160.3!hihat.mwci.net!not-for-mail From: Chris and Janet Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and llamas Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:52:10 -0600 Organization: Colesburg Apiaries Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34C805DA.B9FA1D9@mwci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-237.dyersville.mwci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0CDBCF2560C095273C192DEF" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10927 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0CDBCF2560C095273C192DEF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an owner interested in hosting a beeyard. The only catch is he has llamas and isn't sure if bees and llamas can coexist in the same 30 acre field. Does anyone have any idea about llama/bee compatibility? Thanks! Chris and Janet Sauer Colesburg Apiaries --------------0CDBCF2560C095273C192DEF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Christopher and Janet Sauer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Christopher and Janet Sauer n: Sauer;Christopher and Janet org: Colesburg Apiaries email;internet: sauer@mwci.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0CDBCF2560C095273C192DEF-- Article 10928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite control ?????? Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:42:37 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 113 Message-ID: <01bd27f5$f8f330c0$169182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com> <6a9ebe$r2o$2@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-8.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10928 Peter - or whomever has again hijacked your keyboard - realize that Resistance ain't Immunity. Realize also that there are a number of strains of bees showing a decent to HIGH level of resistance to Tracheal mites already. Realize also that yes indeed the mites themselves do undergo unintentional selective breeding both by the comparatively few resistance oriented breeders (whom if they are wise INTENTIONALLY do everything possible to avoid it) AND even more so by the "near constant to constant treatment" crowd (as per never 3 generations of mites betwixt treatments). Be advised also that feral colonies ain't surviving long term (over 3 years) and also that no known connection existed between Rev. Langstroth and the political party you mention - so your repeated hypothesis is seriously flawed. As to T-mites if you just love to treat for them well go right on ahead. If ya ever decide you would rather not well get some good T-mite resistant stock and you will have one less thing working on killing off yer bees. But recognize that until/unless everyone in your area use resistant stock you will have to prevent loss of resistance via genetic dilution (resistant virgins breeding with SUSCEPTIBLE drones in this for instance) OR keep your queens marked and anytime a unmarked one shows up replace her with a resistant queen bred in a secure mating area. And be advised that some of us continue working hard to make HIGH resistance to V-mites a reality as well - though present indications show this to be a long ways off as of yet. We remain open to help from other (large enough) USA beekeepers (we would love to make it a worldwide effort but our dear all-wise USDA forbids any but their own from importing even GRAS honeybee semen) - any interested parties should read our old HIP protocol (gotta get the new one up yet) on my website and if still interested get with me via e-mail. We likewise ENCOURAGE other similar grassroots resistance breeding efforts wherever they may be in process - perhaps you can't work with us due to regulations but you can work with those close to home - so do what you can and perhaps them regulators/enforcers may see the light of day (DON"T hold yer breath though). Here in MI (a few years back) we got rid of the "inspection/registration" program via the legislative process - we gutted their budget (including stipulating that they must fund research and education with the lowered budget) and removed their right of trespass. Now they basically can't inspect without an invite (an "emergency" might change that of course) - and you pay for any needed inspecton. Of course they do keep on trying to get their foot back in the door but to date they have a sore foot from having that door SLAMMED repeatedly by beekeepers that remember all too well the ineffectual T-mite quarantine which was wisely lifted after much beekeeper suffering only to see that NOTHING was learned by the regulators as they repeated the folly with a almost indentical V-mite quarantine. IMO education beats regulation pretty near everytime - maybe even everytime. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * A gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as likely to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim in that household? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Peter Amschel wrote in article <6a9ebe$r2o$2@nntp.pe.net>... > That article says that mites can be controlled by selective breeding. This is > bs. Tracheal mites is a mechanical problem. What does she want to do, breed > smaller breathing tubes into these bees so that the mites can't squeeze down > into the tubes? Why doesn't she breed bigger mites instead? > Everyone knows that the bees are having a hard time getting the upper hand > over the mites because of this ancient tradition of every beekeeper > always using these nazi Langstroth frames. All beekeepers will shift over to > top bar hives and junk their Langstroth spinners and de-cappers, please. > > > > > In article <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com>, Roger wrote: > >I found this be accident today > > > >www.acs.ohio-state.edu/units/research/archive/buzz.htm > > > > > >It is about natural selection and breeding of bees that are not affected > >by the mite. > Article 10929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.134!node2.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more on government & beekeeping Date: 23 Jan 1998 11:40:15 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 125 Message-ID: <01bd27f5$a3031180$169182d1@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <34c7bfbc.20757020@news.jps.net> <34c80b1a.257456552@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-8.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10929 Here in MI (a few years back) we got rid of the "inspection/registration" program via the legislative process - we gutted their budget (including stipulating that they must fund research and education with the SERIOUSLY lowered budget) and removed their right of trespass. Now they basically can't legally inspect without an invite (an "emergency" might change that of course) - and you pay for any needed inspecton (to get some permit needed by some other state). Of course they do keep on trying to get their foot back in the door but to date they have a sore foot from having that door SLAMMED repeatedly by beekeepers that remember all too well the ineffectual T-mite quarantine which was wisely lifted after much beekeeper suffering only to see that NOTHING was learned by the regulators as they repeated the folly with a almost indentical V-mite quarantine. IMO education beats regulation pretty near everytime - maybe even everytime. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html John Caldeira wrote in article <34c80b1a.257456552@news.earthlink.net>... > >At 06:45 PM 1/21/98 -0500, you wrote: *in the BEE-List* > >>Another of those big lies from our US state governments. > >>"I am from the Texas Department of Agriculture and I am here to tell you > >>what you can post or read!" > > Andy, > > > The Texas Department of Agriculture (TDA) initiated a lawsuit against > me solely for writing public electronic notes, and then resisted my > attempts to challenge the constitutionality of the law. The judge > dismissed the case after the TDA declined further prosecution when > faced of a constitutional challenge of the law. > > The answer to speech that we don't like is NOT to stop that speech. > The answer is MORE speech - rebuttals, refutations, and healthy debate > (beekeepers are good at that!). > > The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits laws that abridge the > freedom of speech. There are laws on the books that give legitimate > courses of action to recover damages that do not restrict speech. > > Governments sometimes pass unconstitutional laws that sound good, > perhaps initiated by moneyed interests and/or appeal to voters. Then > they go after people that violate those laws (The Computer Decency > Act and food disparagement laws are other examples). The effect of > these laws is to chill speech. > > I think the TDA stretched pretty far to find "something" to make my > notes illegal. I thought that they would give it up after I > cooperated with their request for information and let them inspect my > hives, but they did not. The TDA did not dispute the truthfulness of > what I wrote, and even agreed that no harm was done. They still > pursued it, seemingly without concern for what was right and fair. > > They have reportedly not responded to media inquiries about my case. > > My attorneys inform me that I could still file a "declaratory action" > to challenge the statute that I was charged with, even though the TDA > dropped the charges against me. My current thinking is to let it > drop, but my memory of the TDA's darker side will remain forever. > They lost my respect. > > I agree with the earlier post that suggested that the Internet helps > with communication on issues like this. At the same time, attacks on > free speech from government and special interests are intense and it > demands our commitment to allowing free speech - even if we don't > agree with everything that we read or hear. > > Back to beekeeping for me! > > Regards, > John > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ > Article 10930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34C805DA.B9FA1D9@mwci.net> Subject: Re: Bees and llamas Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:08:32 -0500 Lines: 26 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin3-5.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin3-5.wr.hom.net Message-ID: <34c8cff4.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin3-5.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10930 If llamas are anything like cows, they will investigate the hives...ONCE. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [ Beeman@hom.net ] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at... [ http://www.hom.net/~beeman ] Chris and Janet Sauer wrote in message <34C805DA.B9FA1D9@mwci.net>... >I have an owner interested in hosting a beeyard. The only catch is he >has llamas and isn't sure if bees and llamas can coexist in the same 30 >acre field. Does anyone have any idea about llama/bee compatibility? > >Thanks! > >Chris and Janet Sauer >Colesburg Apiaries > Article 10931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination Contracts Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:25:41 -0500 Lines: 24 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin3-5.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin3-5.wr.hom.net Message-ID: <34c8d3fa.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin3-5.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10931 I've seen several posts from people looking for ideas for a contract. After having lost 67 hives to Pencap-M and 8 to unauthorized movement of hives by the grower last year, I've revised mine to provide protection against this. If anyone is interested in seeing my new contract, I've posted a copy on my web page. Just go to the page and press the "pollination" button. follow the link to view the document. I would like to hear from anyone else that has had these problems and get your input on this. -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [ Beeman@hom.net ] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at... [ http://www.hom.net/~beeman ] Article 10932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Sppeight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:36:31 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk [194.222.124.95] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10932 In article <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com>, vger writes >It still amazes me to watch my honeybees and to think of all the products >these little ladies and gentlemen contribute to the world. Do your drones work? -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK Article 10933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RIVIERE didier" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: recherche Date: 23 Jan 1998 20:09:00 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd283a$b781e740$44aefcc1@riviere> NNTP-Posting-Host: tls8-68.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10933 je suis agriculteur eleveur de chevres en france y a t il des fermiers voulant correspondre sur ce sujet merci Article 10934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:34:57 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6aard1$olo@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.97 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10934 Last I heard, they still produce sperm; which in the AI world could be referred to as a "product" ;-) -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Tom Sppeight wrote in article ... > In article <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com>, vger > writes > >It still amazes me to watch my honeybees and to think of all the products > >these little ladies and gentlemen contribute to the world. > Do your drones work? > -- > Tom Speight > South Lakes > Cumbria UK > Article 10935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: "Chris Hedemark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Farming/homesteading website Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:50:50 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6aasal$uei@camel12.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lc5tn.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 23 Jan 1998 19:50:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22697 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10935 sci.agriculture.fruit:1407 sci.agriculture.poultry:4309 sci.agriculture.ratites:1091 Howdy folks, This is just to let you know about a free non-commercial web site that deals with issues relating to the people in this newsgroup. This is NOT spam! I am NOT selling anything and I am NOT trying to get you rich (unless you plan on getting rich farming heheheheh) I run a web site called Yonder Way. It deals with issues relating to small farms, homesteading, homeschooling, and rural living in general. We also have areas for energy-related issues such as personal electric power generation and strategies for reducing the power consumption in your home while maintaining a comfortable lifestyle. In addition to this content, we have a series of interactive forums where you can chat with other like-minded people. This site is run by a great guy (and a humble one, too) that is always there if you have any suggestions on how to improve the site. And I am always open to article submissions from my visitors. For the disabled, Yonder Way is "Bobby Approved" which means that our site is friendly for blind users and users with text-only editors. We also strive to make sure our pages download quickly for dialup connections. If you'd like to pay us a visit, check out http://www.yonderway.com/rural and drop a bookmark because new things are being added daily. Regards, Chris Hedemark Webmaster - Yonder Way Article 10936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite control ?????? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:46:36 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 38 Message-ID: <34C90FBC.7D7DAAEA@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34C56B70.643316E1@btc-bci.com> <6a9ebe$r2o$2@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Peter Amschel X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10936 What?? Sue Cobey is not the only person having measurable success breeding honey bees that are resistant to trachael mites. Dr. Medhat Nasr in Ontario, Canada is also succeeding at breeding honeybees that are *measurably* resistant to trachael mites. This is science, not fiction or bs. I have seen the data, this work is real. As for your slam of "nazi" langstroth hives in favor of top bar hives... 1) langstroth hives are not "ancient", they are a mere ~100 years old. 2) "everyone" does not "know" that langstroth hives are responsible for honeybees not being able to get the upper hand over trachael mites 3)perhaps when you have measurable facts gathered in a repeatable scientific method over a period of years, I will happily listen to what you have to say about top bar hives with an open mind. Until then, your statements are merely opinion, opinion that i don't agree with at this time. Kathy (who's thinking that a box is a box and that bee space is bee space) Peter Amschel wrote: > That article says that mites can be controlled by selective breeding. > This is > bs. Tracheal mites is a mechanical problem. What does she want to do, > breed > smaller breathing tubes into these bees so that the mites can't > squeeze down > into the tubes? Why doesn't she breed bigger mites instead? > Everyone knows that the bees are having a hard time getting the upper > hand > over the mites because of this ancient tradition of every beekeeper > always using these nazi Langstroth frames. All beekeepers will shift > over to > top bar hives and junk their Langstroth spinners and de-cappers, > please. Article 10937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jgranick@dnai.com Subject: TDA Dismisses Free Speech Case Against Beekeeper Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:51:20 -0600 Message-ID: <885602352.1633484802@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 24 00:39:12 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: jgranick@dnai.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 207.181.210.29 (dnai-207-181-210-29.dialup.dnai.com) Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22699 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10937 As an addendum to the post by BusyKnight, the contact information for the parties involved in the TDA's case against Mr. Caldeira is as follows: McGready Richeson Daniel & Shoultz 900 Jackson Street, Ste. 750, LB #7 (214) 742-3293 Dallas, Texas 75202 Jennifer Granick 900 North Point, Ste. 220 San Francisco, CA 94109 (415) 928-4805 jgranick@dnai.com John Caldeira jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thank you for your interest and support of the First Amendment. Jennifer -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 10938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: debaloha@aol.com (Deb ALOHA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I have a question concerning the use of Honey Bees for Multiple Sclerosis? Date: 24 Jan 1998 01:43:26 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980124014301.UAA22582@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10938 I'm not sure if this is the right page to be writing on...trying to get information about this... I heard from some people....no-one personaly.... but that the use of Bee Therapy using Honey Bees works in some Multiple Sclerosis cases...Is this true and is there someone using it at this time or has used it? I have Multiple Sclerosis and would like some fed back on this please.... please write to me... Debaloha@aol.com Article 10939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Nikki Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How many bytes would a bitchy bee bite, if a bitchy bee would bite bits? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:53:47 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6abl50$4sg$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5008@207.112.162.82 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10939 Just wondering Article 10940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver1@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:09:01 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6abpgt$5li$1@usenet50.supernews.com> References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5810@209.42.133.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10940 In article , tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk says... > >In article <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com>, vger >writes >>It still amazes me to watch my honeybees and to think of all the products >>these little ladies and gentlemen contribute to the world. >Do your drones work? >-- >Tom Speight >South Lakes >Cumbria UK Yes, my drones do their job well. They consume honey and look for virgin queens. :-) Article 10941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!grouper.exis.net!ppp-3-75.exis.net!user From: macbill@exis.net (William G. Frank) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Antibiotic Properties of Propolis Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:23:18 -0500 Organization: MyOwn Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <6a6gdi$8vf$1@usenet85.supernews.com> <34c7277e.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> <34C83AF4.32FE@fidnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-3-75.exis.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10941 In article <34C83AF4.32FE@fidnet.com>, judge20@fidnet.com wrote: >John Flemming wrote: >> I read a story <> In the bottom of the hive he found a >> large 'lump' of propolis, which he scraped up with a hive tool. >> The lump was actually a mouse, which had crawled in, and died. The bees had >> completely coated it with propolis, as it was too big for them to remove, >> and it was COMPLETELY PRESERVED! I pulled a preserved lizard, sealed in propolis, off the inner cover. It picked the wrong spot to spend the winter! Article 10942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.med.nutrition,alt.med.veterinary Subject: Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News headlines Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:58:37 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:22700 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10942 sci.agriculture.poultry:4311 sci.agriculture.fruit:1408 sci.med.nutrition:84513 alt.med.veterinary:14849 The updated headlines from Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Animal Pharm is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 10943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: temperature to kill varroa Message-ID: <885620147@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:17:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 289396b6 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(188) Lines: 106 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10943 Dr. Ritter from Freiburg, Germany gave a lecture to Bromley branch of Kent Beekeepers in England in October, in that lecture he described how varroa were killed by heating combs of brood and that the Varroa died between 40 & 45 degrees celsius. I have read the Tuebingen University web page on the Solar panel operated heating box which holds ten brood frames. My translation from german follows; Copyright and all other rights remain with the authors, I have not had their sanction for my translation and do not vouch for it's accuracy, it is how ever good enough to convey the meaning of the German text which I leave as written. Institution: Eberhard-Karls-Universitaet Tuebingen From: Michael Seifert Reply-To: michael.seifert@uni-tuebingen.de Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 14:47:34 Topics: fn,bio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bienenschutz ohne Chemie Bee protection without chemicals Bienenschutz ohne Chemie Neues Solar-Geraet zur Bekaempfung der Varroa-Milbe entwickelt New Solar machine produced for controlling varroa Auf dem Deutschen Imkertag in Rostock, 11. bis 12. Oktober, stellen At the German beekeeping day at Rostock 11 - 12 October the scientists ofthe Zoo- ollogical Institute of the University of Tubingen Wissenschaftler vom Zoologischen Institut der Universitaet Tuebingen ein introduced a new apparatus for the control of varroa: The Apitherm 2 Solar neues Geraet zur Bekaempfung der Varroa-Milbe vor: den APITHERM 2 Solar. Die brutschaedigende Varroa-Milbe ist weltweit das Hauptproblem der Imker. The main problem of beekeepers worldwide is the brood damaging Varroa. Alle Bienenvoelker sind von dieser Milbe bedroht, die sich in den Waben, in denen die Bienenbrut heranwaechst, vermehrt und vom Blut der Biene lebt. All colonies are affected by this parasite, in the combs, in the brood and they live on the bees blood. The bees production is therefore badly damaged. In ihrer Entwicklung werden die Bienen dabei stark geschaedigt. Um die Milben ohne den Einsatz chemischer Mittel zu bekaempfen, setzt die Forschergruppe um Prof. Dr. Wolf Engels auf die unterschiedliche Hitzeempfindlichkeit. Bei 40 øC werden die Varroa-Milben abgetoetet, erst bei 45 øC die Brut der Bienen. Setzt man die Waben einer Temperatur von knapp ueber 40 øC aus, so ueberlebt nur die Bienenbrut. Prof. Dr. Wolf Engels, without the use of chemical mediums, set the research group to find the defintive temperature at which the bee brood would survive 45 ø yet the varroa would be killed 40ø, thus at a little over 40ø C the beebrood will live. Das von den Tuebinger Forschern neu entwickelte Geraet APITHERM 2 Solar, mit The newly produced Apitherm 2 Solar from the researchers at Tubingen, this hyperthermal treatment is aimed specially at the hobby beekeeper. At around 20 Kilograms it is easily managed, with solar cells set overall. dem diese Hyperthermiebehandlung durchgefuehrt wird, ist speziell fuer den Einsatz beim Hobbyimker konzipiert. Mit knapp 20 Kilogramm ist es leicht handhabbar und, da mit Solarzellen ausgestattet, ueberall einsetzbar. In den 50 Zentimeter breiten und einen Meter langen Kasten passen 10 bis 12 Waben. In the 50 Centimetre wide, and a metre long box it holds 10-12 combs Ein Warmluftkollektor mit einer Flaeche von 0,3 Quadratmetern sorgt fuer die A warm air collector with a surface of 1/3 sq. Metre attains the required heat. notwendige Waerme. Wenn die Waben nach etwa 3 Stunden aus APITHERM 2 Solar entnommen werden, sind die Milben abgetoetet. Zweimal im Jahr durchgefuehrt. When the combs have been in the Apitherm 2 Solar for three hours they can then be removed and all the mites will be dead. Two treatments per year are necessary, in Spring and Summer, they are for the beekeeper relatively simple, ecologically friendly, and without chemical input im Fruehjahr und Sommer, kann der Imker so relativ einfach, umweltfreundlich und ohne Chemieeinsatz sein Bienenvolk effektiv vor der Varroa-Milbe schuetzen. Und: in Wachs und Honig sammeln sich keine Rueckstaende an. To the bees, effective in preventing Varroa and in preventing residues in the honey and wax. Zusammen mit Fachfirmen und unter Koordination der Steinbeis-Stiftung fuer Wirtschaftsfoerderung wurde das neue Geraet entwickelt. Der Prototyp wurde kuerzlich auf dem Apimondia-Kongress in Antwerpen vorgestellt. Together with specialist firms and co-ordinated by the Steinbeis-Stiftung for Agricutural improvement the new machine will be produced. The prototype will shortly be shown at Apimondia in Antwerpen, Belgie. Rechtzeitig zur ersten Kontrolluntersuchung im Mai wird APITHERM 2 Solar bei den Imkerfachgeschaeften zu kaufen sein. Der Anfangspreis liegt bei etwa 1.900 Mark, soll aber, sobald in groesseren Serien produziert wird, sinken. In time for the The first actual application the Solar 2 Apitherm will be available from the Bee Keepers Suppliers. The initial price will be in the region of 1,900 DM, but with greater demand the price will fall. œ600 sterling (The solar cells are the costly item) Fuer weitere Informationen: For further information: Prof. Dr. Wolf Engels, Zoologisches Institut, Auf der Morgenstelle 28 Tel: (07071)- 29 74650 / - 29 78876 ************************* Eberhard-Karls-Universitaet - Presseamt - Michael Seifert Wilhelmstr. 5 72074 Tuebingen Tel.: + 49 70 71 - 29 - 7 67 89 Fax: + 49 70 71 - 29 - 64 54 ************************* There is an Email address for michael.seifert@uni.tuebingen.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ c 1997 Informationsdienst Wissenschaft Letzte Žnderung: 8-Oct-1997 --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Product code109302 Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:21:49 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <19980124132101.IAA03412@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10944 just a note saying we are very busy getting ready for the big spring. saw a www. site that might interest you www.sipes.org you might have to add .us ?? big flack here in Florida over possible mite tolerent varroa.... One thing I learned from the usepa pages that the first fluvalinate registration happen in 1983 3/25 us PC code is 109302 product code 109302 formula is rs)-alpha=cyano-3-phenoxybenzl (R)-2(2-chloro-4-(trifluoromethyl)anilino)-3-methlbutasnoate on the label now it says tau-fluvalinate ((rs)alpha-cyano-3phenoxybenzyl n-(2-chloro-alpha,alpha,alpha-trifloro-p-tolyl)-D-valinate) All written ALPHA in formula are symboles on label. untill I told Dr. Bill Wilson several weeks ago who is heading ars investigatiion on tolerent mites in florida.. NO one would admit they knew there was an ingredient change. USEPA has the PC code as 109302 in the registration of all APISTAN"s what's wrong??? with this picture???? this happened about 7 years ago,,, even the data on Italian resistance say's TAU-fluvalinate studies. The FL department of ag wants an Amitraz product okyed. I don't know why as Amitraz brakes down into three major elements,,, one is very toxic to honeybees,,,,the 2nd is carciogenic to us and the third maybe does't hurt anyone. The toxicity to honeybees has to be dealt with by an expiration of the product. So maybe your bees wont die.......and I wonder how many model's would want lipstick with an carcingeic in it???? Brother david Article 10945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: "Hdespins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?U2l0ZSBzdXIgbGVzIEFiZWlsbGVzoKCgoKCgoKAgoKCgoKA=?= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:26:56 -0500 Organization: ACC TelEnterprises Ltd. 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------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BD28AA.37164680-- Article 10946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.160.22!newsfeed!feed.nntp.acc.ca!204.92.54.104.MISMATCH!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: "Hdespins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?PAS_DE_FRAN=A8CAIS?= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:18:43 -0500 Organization: ACC TelEnterprises Ltd. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial108.megacom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01BD28A9.111959A0" X-Trace: news.ican.net 885651574 22460 (None) 142.154.153.108 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ican.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10946 Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BD28A9.111959A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C'est bizarre mais les Fran=E7ais sont morts ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BD28A9.111959A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BD28A9.111959A0-- Article 10947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "crg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many bytes would a bitchy bee bite, if a bitchy bee would bite bits? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:25:57 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6ad4qn$err@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6abl50$4sg$1@usenet85.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.8.120 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10947 hmmm there are eight bits to a byte and 1,048,576 bytes in a MB...or would that bee how many bits wood a bitchy bee byte? paradox... Nikki Rogers wrote in message <6abl50$4sg$1@usenet85.supernews.com>... >Just wondering > > Article 10948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more on government & beekeeping Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:22:24 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19980124172200.MAA02880@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34c80b1a.257456552@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10948 so does the mavrik work on the bottom board? Article 10949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more on government & beekeeping Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:04:11 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34ca3ae0.34053034@news.earthlink.net> References: <34c80b1a.257456552@news.earthlink.net> <19980124172200.MAA02880@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.36.183.227 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10949 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >so does the mavrik work on the bottom board? No, it works on varroa mites. ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 10950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "raphael" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PAS DE FRAN¨CAIS Date: 24 Jan 1998 20:12:49 GMT Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bd2903$ceee3400$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> References: <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net> Reply-To: "raphael" NNTP-Posting-Host: roberson.isdn.mcnet.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 885672769 4546 (None) 193.5.160.190 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10950 Erreur, je parle le français, et serais très heureux de nouer des contacts et échanger expériences avec des apiculteurs de langue française. au plaisir d'un prochain message. Hdespins a écrit dans l'article <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net>... C'est bizarre mais les Français sont morts ---------- Article 10951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: w3zid.no.spam@voicenet.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Product code109302 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:45:25 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6aeg4l$rt1@bolivia.earthlink.net> References: <19980124132101.IAA03412@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: w3zid.no.spam@voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.108.164 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10951 miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) wrote, in part: >One thing I learned from the usepa pages that the first fluvalinate >registration happen in 1983 3/25 us PC code is 109302 >product code 109302 formula is rs)-alpha=cyano-3-phenoxybenzl >(R)-2(2-chloro-4-(trifluoromethyl)anilino)-3-methlbutasnoate >on the label now it says tau-fluvalinate ((rs)alpha-cyano-3phenoxybenzyl >n-(2-chloro-alpha,alpha,alpha-trifloro-p-tolyl)-D-valinate) All written >ALPHA in formula are symboles on label. I'm not saying this is a fact, but only suggesting a possibility: The same organic chemical can have more than one accurate name, depending upon what particular nomenclature convention is followed. You might check this out with an organic chemist or a librarian skilled in doing searches for the scientific community. -- John E. Taylor III (W3ZID) | Harrington, DE | Lynchburg, VA E-mail: Delete the ".no.spam" from the "Reply-to" address Article 10952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEKEEPER QUESTION NHB Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:45:58 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <34cab202.99691934@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.212 Lines: 88 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.212 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10952 *FYI* Posted Saturday Jan 24, 1998 in the B-List from Walter Patton References: <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net> <01bd2903$ceee3400$bea005c1@mcnet.mcnet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: marse2-111.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10953 Bonjour, Il y a une liste d'apiculteur en Francais, et bientot dans les news un groupe fr.rec.apiculture pour voter mettre oui ou non entre les crochets amicalement -- BULLETIN DE VOTE -- A ENVOYER à l'adresse email suivante : vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr Votre Nom:claude ivert [oui]  Groupe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [          ]  création fr.rec.apiculture -- FIN DU BULLETIN -- On 24 Jan 1998 20:12:49 GMT, "raphael" wrote: >Erreur, je parle le français, et serais très heureux de nouer des contacts >et échanger expériences avec des apiculteurs de langue française. au >plaisir d'un prochain message. > >Hdespins a écrit dans l'article ><6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net>... >C'est bizarre mais les Français sont morts >---------- > claudeivert Aix en Provence FRANCE page apicole http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert Article 10954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:42:57 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6aftj1$3ht$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <34c6bcde.20022533@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10954 Hello. Hey Andy, what exactly is Texas doing? -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Hough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollination Contracts Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:12:14 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34CB807E.CC3EFD5C@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34c8d3fa.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Chip McCurdy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10955 Chip, Nice contract! I like that you've specified the amount the grower is liable for if he/she kills a hive.. I'm going to add a line like that to our contract. We've always been able to enforce ours, but valuing the colony (& the honey on it &/or the # of other crops it was committed to) was a point of contention with one grower. Spelling out the $ exactly is a good idea! Thanks, Kathy Chip McCurdy wrote: > > > I would like to hear from anyone else that has had these problems and > get > your input on this. > > -- > Chip McCurdy > Ambrosia Apiaries > Perry, GA USA > [ Beeman@hom.net ] > > SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE > GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR > IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA > OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 > > Visit us at... [ http://www.hom.net/~beeman ] Article 10956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RIVIERE didier" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PAS DE FRAN¨CAIS Date: 25 Jan 1998 19:52:28 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd29ca$b1641220$93aafcc1@riviere> References: <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tls9-147.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10956 erreur regarde audessus dans le mesage recherche Hdespins a écrit dans l'article <6act9m$lts$1@news.ican.net>... C'est bizarre mais les Français sont morts ---------- Article 10957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: walter.bienz@amigabee.org.uk (Walter Bienz) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!walter.bienz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ech be scho lang do Message-ID: <885766694@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:36:44 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/117 28d2fecc PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(44) Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10957 Ich habe gerade von Peter Hutton venommen ., dass du das Schweizer vergleich zum Beenet bist. Ich habe eigentlich schon lange versuch mit jemandem in der Schweiz kontakt aufzunehmen aber leider erfolglose. Natuerlich will ich mich nicht ausgeben als Computer genie ,aber wenn ich einwenig ausgeruht bin wie jetzt moechte ich gerne paar Tastern druecken.Erwarte also nicht zuviel ,nur je und da einwenig zu plaudern,. Natuerlich bin ich gerne bereit mit jedem Brauser kontackt aufzunehmen, und zu plaudern je um was es sich handelt. Vielleich sollte ich mich zuerst Vorstellen . Ich bin also ein sogenannter Auslandschweizer Schon seit 1957 auf dieser Englischr Inselund habe mehr oder weniger so alles mitgemacht. Breuflich bin ich Patissier Chocolatier und bin gegenwaertig im versuch mich zu Pensionieren. Ich wahr for ueber 10 Jahren den President von den Kent Beekeepers . Mein Stammtisch ist in KRIENS LUZERN wo ich noch einige Brueder und Schester habe . So Werner das ist so alles im moment und wenn ich Glueck habe , finde ich auf dem Intbee- Survey eine Antwort von Dir [euch] Bis bald und Gruezi metenand Walter from the Garden of England. --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/117) Article 10958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!jussieu.fr!ext.jussieu.fr!not-for-mail From: LALLEMENT Pascal 108006 Newsgroups: fr.usenet.forums.annonces,fr.usenet.forums.evolution,fr.rec.divers,fr.rec.jardinage,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [AAV 2] creation de fr.rec.apiculture (non modere) Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:29:45 +0100 Organization: Usenet Lines: 205 Approved: fufa@teaser.fr Message-ID: References: Reply-To: vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: piaf.lami.univ-evry.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Original-Sender: Pascal.PETIT@LaMI.univ-evry.fr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10958 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello. This message is the second call for votes (of 3) about the creation of a newsgroup in french about beekeeping : fr.rec.apiculture . If you speak french, you may be interested in participating to this vote. If not, sorry for the disturbance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ceci est le second appel à voter pour la création du groupe non modéré fr.rec.apiculture. Cet appel à voter est simultanément posté dans les groupes suivants : fr.usenet.forums.annonces fr.usenet.forums.evolution fr.rec.divers fr.rec.jardinage sci.agriculture.beekeeping La discussion formelle relative à cette proposition s'est déroulée en décembre 1997 et janvier 1998 dans , les appels à discussion ayant été postés dans les mêmes groupes que le présent appel à voter. Auteur de la charte : Pascal Lallement (pascal.lallement@cea.fr) Gestionnaire du vote : Pascal Lallement (pascal.lallement@cea.fr) Période de vote : les votes doivent être reçus avant le 14 février 1998 à 23:59, heure de Paris. Comment voter : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Envoyer un courrier électronique à : vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr Le corps de votre message doit contenir le bulletin de vote donné ci-dessous. Vous pouvez également répondre à ce message par mail avec votre lecteur de news, EN INCLUANT UNIQUEMENT LE BULLETIN DE VOTE ci-dessous, ET NON LE RESTE DE L'APPEL A VOTER. Pour remplir ce bulletin, il vous suffit d'indiquer 'oui' ou 'non' dans la case [Votre Vote] sur la ligne correspondant à chaque groupe. Les adresses de courrier électronique des votants sont publiées à la fin du vote dans l'article présentant les résultats du vote. Il n'est pas prévu de pouvoir cacher son adresse lorsque l'on vote. Il est également possible de s'abstenir en indiquant 'abstention' ou 'blanc' dans la case correspondante. -- BULLETIN DE VOTE -- A ENVOYER à l'adresse email suivante : vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr Votre Nom: [Votre vote] Groupe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] création fr.rec.apiculture -- FIN DU BULLETIN -- Modalités de prise en compte des votes : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seuls les votes envoyés par courrier électronique sont pris en compte. Tous les autres types de votes, y compris ceux postés sur Usenet, seront ignorés. Les votes contradictoires dans un même bulletin ne seront pas comptabilisés. Veuillez utiliser votre adresse personnelle pour voter. Les adresses impersonnelles ou anonymes ne seront pas comptabilisées (par exemple: root, webmaster, usenet, adresses provenant d'"anonymizers"). Un seul bulletin de vote par votant est accepté. Cependant si vous votez plusieurs fois, seul votre dernier vote en date sera compté. Vous recevrez quelques jours après avoir voté un accusé de réception de vote individuel. Si le gérant du vote reçoit en retour de l'accusé de réception individuel un courrier indiquant que votre adresse n'existe pas, votre vote sera considéré comme invalide. Si vous avez des questions ou des observations sur ce vote, vous pouvez me joindre à l'adresse suivante : pascal.lallement@cea.fr Exemples de votes valides : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Vote positif : From: arthur.martin@fai.fr (Arthur Martin) To: vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr [ oui ] création de fr.rec.apiculture * Vote négatif : From: arthur.martin@fai.fr (Arthur Martin) To: vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr [ non ] création de fr.rec.apiculture * Vote blanc : From: arthur.martin@fai.fr (Arthur Martin) To: vote-fra@amandine.cea.fr [ blanc ] création de fr.rec.apiculture Publication des résultats : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dans la semaine suivant la clôture du vote, les résultats seront publiés dans fr.usenet.forums.annonces ainsi que dans les groupes où cet appel a été posté. Une période d'attente d'une semaine s'ouvrira alors pour permettre de corriger les erreurs éventuelles et/ou de contester la validité du groupe. Après la période d'attente, s'il n'y a pas d'objections sérieuses, chaque groupe pour lequel il y a plus de 80 OUI que de NON, *ET* au moins 3 fois plus de votes OUI que de NON pourra être créé. ------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTE DU FORUM NOM : fr.rec.apiculture STATUT : Non-Modéré DESCRIPTION : Forum sur l'apiculture. LANGUE : français OBJET : Le but de ce forum est de permettre aux personnes intéressées de discuter d'apiculture et d'échanger des informations à ce sujet. Ce forum concerne la vie des abeilles, leurs parasites, leurs maladies, les produits de la ruche, leur transformation, leur commercialisation et les techniques apicoles. Ce forum concerne l'apiculture sédentaire ou nomade. Voici une liste non exhaustive de thèmes pertinents : · Biologie des abeilles (les races, nutrition, la colonie, etc.) ; · Biologie appliquée (Pollinisation, sélection, maladies, parasites, etc.) ; · Botanique apicole ; · Economie et législation (organisations apicoles, législation, etc.); · Histoire de l'apiculture ; · Conduite du rucher (essaimage naturel ou artificiel, élevage des reines, hivernage, réunion de colonies, etc.) ; · Produits de la ruche (miel, pollen, gelée royale, propolis, etc.) ; · Matériel (ruches, miellerie, etc.), etc. Les petites annonces de vente, d'achat sont acceptées à condition qu'elles ne soient pas répétées et qu'elles fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le groupe dédié a ce sujet : RAISON : L'apiculture est très populaires en France et dans les pays de langue francophone. Un forum sur le sujet permettrait de rassembler toutes les personnes intéressées. Il existe plusieurs mailing list en français sur ce sujet. Elles sont assez actives et reçoivent environ une 10aine de messages par jour. Toutefois, la solution des mailing list est assez contraignante et un groupe de news serait plus adapté. Il existe un forum très actif en langue anglaise sur ce sujet sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Un forum en langue française serait un plus pour la communauté francophone des apiculteurs. QUELQUES RAPPELS DE BON USAGE : Au cas où un article aurait sa place sur plusieurs forums, il est possible de faire un postage croisé dans ces forums, à condition de ne pas en abuser et de positionner la suite du message (champ "Followup-to: ") sur un seul forum. Les messages d'annonces de site Web concernant l'objet du forum sont acceptés, à condition qu'ils ne soient pas répétés et qu'ils fassent l'objet d'un postage croisé avec le forum dédié à ce sujet : (ce forum étant modéré, consultez sa charte avant de poster). 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FIN DE LA CHARTE -- Comité de modération fufa + fufa@teaser.fr Article 10959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.174.75.126!news-was.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!uni-muenster.de!news From: "Andre Baumgarten" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,abaumga@uni-muenster.de Subject: bee-keeping in East Africa- the cultural meaning of honey and honey-beer Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:48:17 +0100 Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster, Germany Lines: 26 Sender: "Andre Baumgarten" Message-ID: <34CCBE51.BDA690F@uni-muenster.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: jhi040.uni-muenster.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10959 Hello web-users!!! My name is André Baumgarten and I´m a student of Ethnology at the University of Muenster in Germany. Currently, I prepare my M.A. thesis. The topic is "Bee-keeping, honey and honey-beer among the Marakwet in Westkenya". Last year, I went to Kenya in order to carry out a field-research among the Marakwet, a nilotic ethnic group in Rift Valley Province of West Kenya. In the culture of the Marakwet honey ("komat") and honey-beer ("kipketin") are of tremendous social importance. Ritually used, honey and especiall honey-beer serve as sacrifices to the ancestors in order to obtain blessings from the already deceased people who despite the fact that that they are physically dead still play an important part in the life of every Marakwet. The are two impotant value within the value-system of traditional Marakwet society: "Anyiny" (pronounce: anjin) and ngwan. The former means "sweet" and stands for cleanliness, completeness, health and life, whereas the latter means "bitter" and therefore refers to disorder, sickness and death. By using honey and honey-beer people as well as objects are ritually cleansed and made "sweet". Yet, honey is also used as a commodity and play an important part in traditional medical treatments. Nevertheless, bee-keeping is of great importance for the society of the Marakwet. I would be very interested in reports on traditional bee-keeping in Africa or any other continent. Hope to get some reactions, André Baumgarten abaumga@uni-muenster.de Article 10960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Speech & Beekeeping Case Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:42:28 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6aiov4$4ni$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10960 Hello all, This morning while driving down I-95 from Philadelphia to DC, I caught a segment of National Public Radio's Diane Rehm (prnounced "ream") show. She and guests were discussing an item related to (but news to me) the episode Andy, et. al. were discussing regarding John C's. statements and the Texas ag. dept. Apparently (and this was the first I've heard of it) Oprah Winfrey is being sued by someone (I think it was the Texas Ag Dept...)for something either she or a guest said about the safety of eating hamburgers... Now, Oprah can certainly take care of herself, and she's got the fame and resources to do it, but I thought it'd be very useful to forward the e-mail discussion on John's case off to Diane Rehm... Unfortunatley, I thought I'd archived the whole thread, but didn't. Can someone kindly send it off to me so I can forward it on? Alternately, the show's e-mail address is: feedback@wamu.org The hostess was Diane Rehm... Who knows, maybe she'll call some of you up and devote a show to beekeeping... -Dave Trickett. P.S. Sorry about the lack of precision, but with all the swerving traffic and big rigs, I had my hands full avoiding a wreck - judging from the way people were driving, they were still contemplating the game last night, or busy listening to the gossip/news about Clinton. Article 10961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Charter for sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:13:30 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 76 Message-ID: <6aj8ra$s44$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10961 Hello. Here's the first of two CFVs (call for votes) for this newsgroup. The charter is embedded in the CFV. I have all the historical files from this group--some are quite spicy. I'll post a list of what's archived sometime soon. I'm kinda busy with school lately... Adam Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gardens,rec.food.cooking,rec.food.veg,rec.crafts.brewing,rec.pets,rec.food.historic,bionet.general,sci.agriculture,sci.bio,alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.beer,misc.rural Subject: CFV: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: poster Date: 15 Mar 1994 18:17:13 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 48 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 6 Apr 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups line: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 April 1994. After the CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to and mailing lists. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Adam Finkelstein . CHARTER Discussion on all aspects of beekeeping, bee-culture, and products of the hive. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping will provide beekeepers, bee scientists, farmers, and the general public one place for apicultural information. A FAQ is needed for bee-culture and beekeeping from African bees, to bee venom therapy. The curious are invited to discuss bee lore or ask questions, and the experienced beekeepers will be able to advise and help with the anecdotal information so necessary to beekeeping. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on sci.agriculture.beekeeping I vote NO on sci.agriculture.beekeeping You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: recherche Date: 27 Jan 1998 00:40:25 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6ajadp$cnl$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bd283a$b781e740$44aefcc1@riviere> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10962 In article <01bd283a$b781e740$44aefcc1@riviere>, RIVIERE didier wrote: >je suis agriculteur eleveur de chevres en france >y a t il des fermiers voulant correspondre sur ce sujet >merci Pardon? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeping Group in United States, COMB. From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.65 Message-ID: <34cd6473.0@news9.kcdata.com> Date: 27 Jan 98 04:37:07 GMT Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp.primenet.com!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news9.kcdata.com!209.136.8.65 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10963 Does any one know what is up with the group called COMB? Article 10964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginners question about beekeeping in a back garden & requeening. Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:54:14 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6akecm$mhu$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10964 Hi all, I obtained my first two hives in the early Summer of last year from a retiring beekeeper. These two hives had been maintained outside his kitchen window for many years and though he had an out apiary of at least seventy hives he'd always kept these two near his house for his own interest. This is also my plan, with only two hives it will be a lot of trouble to travel a distance to maintain them, plus as a beginner I would like to study them near my house. (I am keeping these bees as much because I like insects as for the possible honey crop). I have sited the hives mid-way down my back garden which is quite large, so on a day to day basis they should not be any trouble to the neibours. (I have their support in this, I reckon that they see a supply of free Honey coming their way)! The garden is on the outskirts of York (U.K.), so though houses surround us there is plenty of access to rural land and fields. Even though the neibours do not mind my bees I do want to minimise any disturbance and would therefore like to keep my inspections of the hives to a minimum. The beekeper who sold me the hives advised me to leave them well alone, just to give them plenty of supers to give them enough room. He reckoned that it was better to deal with the odd swarm that they put out than the disturbance created by angry bees after the weekly inspections. Does anyone of you out there keep bees in an urban environment? How do you manage? What is the minimum number of inspections that you need to make? The books say that to minimise the risk of swarming you should ensure a young queen and reduce congestion. Ted Hoopers book says that he requeens after two years to maintain a young queen. Are strains available that are less prone to swarming & relitively docile? This could be one way to reduce the possible problem. As far as I can see bees are bred to maximise the honey crop and so agressive hard workers are what are looked for. (This is far from my priority being a beginner and it is just a hobby for me). Any advice would be appriciated. Paul. Article 10965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Charter for sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:49:19 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6akvlv$pi3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6aj8ra$s44$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10965 Hi again. The posted CFV was from 1994. The newsgroup has already passed ;-) so there's no need to vote. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 10966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsxfer.visi.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!nildram!pm1-201.dial.nildram.co.uk From: "John Flemming" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question about beekeeping in a back garden & requeening. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:39:25 -0000 Organization: Nildram Ltd Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34ce1db1.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> References: <6akecm$mhu$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooby.nildram.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10966 >Does anyone of you out there keep bees in an urban environment Yes....... An 'Artificial' swarm is your best bet. See "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden", by Alan Campion. (Library, or Thornes of Wragby, Nr. Lincoln. A very good book for small scale, home beekeeping. The method described in this book 'fools' the bees into thinking that they have swarmed, so giving you a stronger stock, and a new queen! I used to 'let them fly', then re-capture and put in a new hive, but the artificial swarm is vastly preferable, and the apiarist is in control, rather than the bees.........and anyway, the neighbours didn't like swarms, however patient they were at other times; and who can blame them? John John Flemming gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply Article 10967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cargo.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question about beekeeping in a back garden & requeening. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:18:18 -0500 Organization: lahdeefreakindaaah Lines: 105 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6akecm$mhu$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cargo.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10967 Hello Paul -- No problem in keeping a couple of hives in the yard, even if they are quite close to the house. If they are say 40 feet or more away you should have no trouble. Just make sure the entrances face away from the house (and preferably S or E to take advantage of the morning sun). The bees' flight path will then be away from the residence. Even in the height of the summer, one can be only 15-20 feet away from a busy hive, and if not in their flight path (entrance direction), one will hardly notice there are any bees around at all. > The beekeper who sold me the hives advised me to leave them well alone, > just to give them plenty of supers to give them enough room. He reckoned > that it was better to deal with the odd swarm that they put out than the > disturbance created by angry bees after the weekly inspections. I don't agree. Giving them room will not prevent swarming. Bees do not become viscious simply due to inspections, even weekly ones. It is important to inspect regularly, to ascertain the colonies' progress. In addition, you can't be aware of a colony's health and welfare without inspections. This is also where the hobby becomes most interesting, observing the inner workings of the hive. It is fascinating and a lot of fun to observe. > > Does anyone of you out there keep bees in an urban environment? How do > you manage? What is the minimum number of inspections that you need to > make? I kept several colonies in a suburban environment, with neighbors close by. The bees were partially concealed by some hedges and trees in the yard, and did very well, yielding ~ 75-100 lbs of honey per colony each year. > > The books say that to minimise the risk of swarming you should ensure a > young queen and reduce congestion. Ted Hoopers book says that he requeens > after two years to maintain a young queen. Depends, really. I never replace queens unless they are obviously failing. Under normal circumstances, the bees themselves usually will replace ("supersede") an old or failing queen. I have seen plenty of first-year queens lead out swarms, so there is no hard and fast rule. > > Are strains available that are less prone to swarming & relitively > docile? Now this is what you are after -- the best way to approach the problem is indeed in selection of stock. Yes, there is variability. Do some research & find out what the bee suppliers in your area have to offer. I prefer Buckfast bees, which are a type of Italian/Carniolan cross. They are superb workers, swarm rarely, and are calm & gentle. It is best to discuss this with other beekeepers in your area, to find out which stock is best suited to your climate, honey sources, etc. > As far as I > can see bees are bred to maximise the honey crop and so agressive hard > workers are what are looked for. You are correct, at least in many instances, especially here in NA where so many bees appear to be bred for honey production at the expense of other desirable traits (disease resistance, temper, etc.). Yet there are still strains on the market here (notably "Midnites" which are a type of Caucasian strain) which are most suitable to beginners, as they are especially gentle. You would do well to seek out a gentle, calm strain for a suburban or urban apiary. You will still get plenty of honey, so don't worry about that. Once you become more adept at working with the bees you can select more for higher honey yields. And inspections? Well I usually inspect 5-10 minutes every week to ten days during April/May (buildup & swarming time), and after that, only inspect the top super, every two weeks or so, adding more room if the honey crop requires it. The early inspections (late March-April for you) are to ascertain the health and food stores in the colony, so they can build up for the main season. You can easily take the necessary steps to prevent swarming, & sometimes you will have to give them a bit of sugar-water as a supplement, perhaps some medication against disease, and also you will have to apply mite-treatments to keep the colonies alive. This all becomes part of the management routine, and these inspections will only take a 5-15 minutes once you get the hang of it. "Working the hives" can be and is a lot of fun. When properly performed, the bees pretty much go about working as if you weren't a threat or interruption to their endeavors. Selecting calm stock goes a long way to making this as easy & enjoyable as possible. By all means see if you can find another beekeeper or club where you can observe & help out on a few inspections, to see how the routine goes. This will be most helpful. You are apt to be surprised at how docile an open colony of bees can be. Once they colony is expanding well, the bees need very little attention. But to "leave them alone" you risk excessive swarming, disease, and poor honey crops. It is so much better to be actively involved with your colonies. Best wishes, Joel Govostes Freeville, NY Article 10968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Subject: Formic Acid evaporator devices Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-User-Info: 200.16.128.41 200.16.128.41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.63.250 Message-ID: <34ce771c.0@blushng.jps.net> Date: 28 Jan 98 00:09:00 GMT Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.63.250 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10968 I would appreciate the advise of any beekeeper using a fast procedure of applying formic acid in commercial operations. I have experience with German devices (Nassenheider and Burmeister) and one Canadian (VTD) which are time and labor consuming. I wonder whether someone has tried a thin plastic box with holes so it can be pushed through the hive entrance or placed on top of the top bar frames. This way we would avoid removing a frame from the brood chamber. Thanks for your attention. Martin Braunstein e-mail: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Article 10969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merry Christmas Date: 27 Jan 1998 20:31:09 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bd107e$a6f2dde0$f5d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2-dialin212.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10969 Merry Christmas to you all and a Blessed New Year! Article 10970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!pravda.tisip.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic Acid evaporator devices Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:19:29 -0800 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 37 Message-ID: <34CF76B1.348E@iet.hist.no> References: <34ce771c.0@blushng.jps.net> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10970 martinbraunstein@hotmail.com wrote: > = > I would appreciate the advise of any beekeeper using a fast procedure o= f applying formic acid in commercial operations. > = > I have experience with German devices (Nassenheider and Burmeister) and= one Canadian (VTD) which are time and labor consuming. > = > I wonder whether someone has tried a thin plastic box with holes so it = can be pushed through the hive entrance or placed on top of the top bar f= rames. This way we would avoid removing a frame from the brood chamber. > = > Thanks for your attention. > = > Martin Braunstein > e-mail: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com There are at least two products available in europe that pretty much match your description. One of these, the so-called Kramer-plate (with umlaut over the "a"), is a porous wood fibre plate sealed in plastic after a specified weight of formic acid has been applied - dont remember the amount. To use, a number of holes making up an area determined by various factors are cut in the plastic cover and the plate is placed on top of the frame top bars. This is a very brief description just to confirm that your suggestion is not only sensible but has been in use here for several years! -- = Anthony N Morgan Avdeling for Teknologi H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 10971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.168.4.5!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ban on Bee Cures Date: 28 Jan 1998 19:12:55 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd2c1f$070ad280$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.67.125 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10971 Hi all, An article in the February issue of Scottish Beekeeper which was taken from the Sunday Telegraph 30/11/97 talks about the new regulation "Statutory Instrument No. 1729" which in effect bans all chemical Varroa treatments except Bayvarol. The punishment for using any unlicensed chemicals being a fine up to £5000. I think that this will make it unlawful to use any of the acids, volatile substances and even mineral oil unless they are licensed. In Britain. I suppose it is a good idea in that if anything goes wrong then there is only one thing to blame, Bayvarol, but what happens when the mites become resistant to this chemical. Will Bayer come to our aid?? -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Article 10972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!thereisnocabal!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on Bee Cures Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:24:13 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9C063762388F407D.4EC71A963B48810F.CD09486FC6223618@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6aoi49$cb7@library.airnews.net> References: <01bd2c1f$070ad280$LocalHost@default> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jan 28 18:22:34 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal14-21.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10972 "Harry Goudie" wrote: >I suppose it is a good idea in that if anything goes wrong then there is only >one thing to blame, Bayvarol, but what happens when the mites become >resistant to this chemical. Will Bayer come to our aid?? I suppose, that depends Harry on how many pound sterling is in it for them. BK Dallas Article 10973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!gate.news.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.kpn.com!hdxf08.telecom.ptt.nl!usenet From: "hans-peter sloot" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: 29 Jan 1998 08:00:08 GMT Organization: PTT Telecom B.V. Informatievoorziening en Automatisering Telecom Message-ID: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.7.216.16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10973 One of our national TV stations is going to show an American documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the two American continents. The announcement says that hundreds of people are yearly killed by bees. Bees make more victims than any other kind of insect? Now I would like to know the truth! ( I am a hobby beekeeper in The Netherlands, Europe and do not believe it) However killer bees are not here in Europe many people start talking about killer bees when you tell that you keep bees. How bad is the situation on both continents? How many people are killed by these bees? I would like to have this information so that I can tell te truth to others. Please send a copy of you reaction to my email address too! -- Name :H.G.Sloot Phone :+31-50-5855954 E mail :H.G.Sloot@PTT-Telecom.NL DISCLAIMER:This statement is not an official statement from, nor does it represent an official position of, PTT Telecom BV. Article 10974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: beeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foundation Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:58:26 -0600 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 4 Message-ID: <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net> Reply-To: gmc@vci.net NNTP-Posting-Host: paducah-pm3-s13.vci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10974 i was wondering if anyone could tell me if they are using plastic frames and wax and their experiences with them???? please post here or email me at gmc@vci.net Article 10975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: beeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:59:43 -0600 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34CFF09E.83E3B564@vci.net> Reply-To: gmc@vci.net NNTP-Posting-Host: paducah-pm3-s13.vci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10975 anybody wishing to purchase swarms of bees in western KY please contact me!!! Article 10976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: clintnil@webtv.net (Neil Martin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Companies that supply bees Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:53:37 -0600 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10976 I am planning to start 4-5 hives this spring. Can anyone recomend a supplier? Article 10978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.174.75.126!news-was.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.ufz.de!not-for-mail From: Andreas Zehnsdorf Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble bees Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:10:30 +0100 Organization: UFZ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34D04784.27C0E6A0@san.ufz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: san59.san.ufz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10978 Dear colleagues, At a literature research on mass extinctions of bumble bees at the lime-tree Tilia euchlora and Tilia tomentosa we got only literature about this phenomenon from Germany especially from some different parts in West- and Central- Germany. This mass extinction is there well known in the beginning of July at the blossom of the neophyte Tilia euchlora and Tilia tomentosa. The most impact is on bumble bees. First observations on this phenomenon are known from the thirties, a closer investigation started in the late eighties. But we are also interested if this mass extinction or something similar is known in your country. Therefor it would be very grateful if you could answer following questions: - is there any similar phenomenon of mass extinction related at Tilia or bumble bees? - if yes at which time is it. (Date and blossom) - is it known from the hole country or only from some regions. - could you tell us some literature from your country on this phenomenon. I thank you for your collaboration in advance. Article 10979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foundation Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:29:41 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19980129182900.NAA07405@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10979 Plastic Frames - you either love’m or hate’m (I’m in the later category - but I do like the plastic foundation but I mostly use wired wax). They do save you the time and labor to assemble wood & wax (or plastic) frames. They hold up well in extraction and, when properly introduced, bees will readily accept them and will draw them out as well as any other foundation system. But, if they goof them up, you have to freeze the frames and scrap and/or pressure wash them clean. Needless to say, a solar wax melter is out with these frames. Bees tend to build burr comb between boxes of plastic frames, and not propolize the end bars as they do with wood frames, so when you try to separate boxes, the frames in the lower box will come up stuck to the frames in the box you are trying to remove. One major point if you move hives with plastic frames - the Pierco frames are just a little narrower than wood frames and they can shift in handling. This will result in less than ideal bee space, and you can bet your bottom dollar that these frames will get goofed up. This always seems to happen to me with the brood combs in the middle of the brood camber which are the hardest to cycle to the outside and salvage. Some beekeepers use the plastic foundation in wood frames to solve this problem, but you then are loosing some of the time/labor advantage. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 10980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TV program on honey? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:04:47 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6aq9d8$65d@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.98.223 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10980 I have heard that there will be a program on the health benefits of honey on television tonight (January 29) on a Kansas City area television station. Anyone know the name of the program, or the station or time? THNX Peg Nichols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 10981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Companies that supply bees Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:01 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6ar1ij$ssn@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.155.108 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10981 Depend upon where you live. There are good breeders in many parts of the country. We truck bees up to the NE through NC, VA, MD, DE, PA, NJ and NY for York Bee Company, the largest breeder on the east coast. We provide live delivery unlike the post office. We are accepting orders now for April pickup at our store or at possible stop points along Interstate 95 as we come North. If interested, contact us at gbees@workdnet.att.net or call us at 908 996 6331 GBees Honey Farm representatives for Dadant, Maxant, Pierce, Everhot, and LD Carlson. Neil Martin wrote in message <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I am planning to start 4-5 hives this spring. Can anyone recomend a supplier? Article 10982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: 30 Jan 1998 00:57:04 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6ar8h0$8db@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10982 Try these links for a starter. There is lots of info on the net re AHB http://ag.arizona.edu/AES/mac/ahb/inf19.html http://agnews.tamu.edu/bees/stings.htm http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/cahe/beealert/Welcome.html http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/l432-w.html -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail hans-peter sloot wrote in article <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter>... > One of our national TV stations is going to show an American > documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the > two American continents. > > The announcement says that hundreds of people are yearly killed > by bees. Bees make more victims than any other kind of insect? > > Now I would like to know the truth! ( I am a hobby beekeeper in > The Netherlands, Europe and do not believe it) > However killer bees are not here in Europe many people start > talking about killer bees when you tell that you keep bees. > > How bad is the situation on both continents? > How many people are killed by these bees? > > I would like to have this information so that I can tell te truth to > others. > > Please send a copy of you reaction to my email address too! > > -- > Name :H.G.Sloot > Phone :+31-50-5855954 > E mail :H.G.Sloot@PTT-Telecom.NL > DISCLAIMER:This statement is not an official statement from, nor > does it represent an official position of, PTT Telecom BV. > > > Article 10983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: 30 Jan 1998 01:02:06 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ar8qe$8db@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> <34D097B4.785188A6@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10983 I believe it is more accurate to refer to the Africanized rather than the African honey bee. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Simoun wrote in article <34D097B4.785188A6@ix.netcom.com>... > In Arizona, USA, I understand that 2 people, or some sources say 6 > people, have been killed since African bees made it here. We have > Africans (Killer) and Italians at present in AZ. In the cases I have > read, fatalities were resulting from provoked attacks. However, while I > have friendly Italian bees, I am NOT an expert in Africans. > Article 10984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attn! All beekeepers pollinating crops within Wisconsin Date: 30 Jan 1998 05:19:50 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19980130051900.AAA16202@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10984 The Wisconsin Honey Producers Association is in need of information on your pollination practices for the state of Wisconsin. This survey is being compiled to inform the public to the importance of pollination in Wisconsin. Please return the answers to this questionaaire to myself, all answers are confidential and numbers will be compiled in to a final listing to be published at a later date. Please take the time to answer the following survey questions: once each for the following crops... Clover, Strawberries, Cranberries, Apples, Cucumbers, All others (please specify crop). 1. How many colonies went out on pollination? ______ 2. Cost per colonie for commercial pollination _________ 3. Number of Acres pollinated _________ EXAMPLE: CLOVER 1. 55 2. $XX.YY 3. 45 Strawberries 1. 20 2. $YY.ZZ 3. 39 Thank you for your time in answering this survey. Please email with your responses. Also, title the email... "WHPA Pollination Survey" Please respond only to email...not the NG Sincerely, HHF34@aol.com (Monica M. Piechowski) Article 10985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: "Chris Hedemark" Newsgroups: misc.education.home-school.christian,misc.education.home-school.misc,misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Moderated chat at Yonder Way Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:23:50 -0500 Organization: http://www.yonderway.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6aro48$232@camel20.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lc5ok.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 30 Jan 1998 05:23:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu misc.education.home-school.christian:31428 misc.education.home-school.misc:29460 misc.rural:56523 sci.agriculture:22740 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10985 sci.agriculture.fruit:1415 sci.agriculture.poultry:4347 sci.agriculture.ratites:1099 Howdy folks, This is just to let you know about a free non-commercial web site that deals with issues relating to the people in this newsgroup. 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Regards, Chris Hedemark Webmaster - Yonder Way Article 10986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest24@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Companies that supply bees Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:01:33 -0600 Organization: Technology Education, Grove High School Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34D08BBD.24B91EC8@galstar.com> References: <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: star08533.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10986 Neil Martin wrote: > I am planning to start 4-5 hives this spring. > Can anyone recomend a supplier? Mann-Lake will be a great supplier. Article 10987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:52:36 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 37 Message-ID: <34D097B4.785188A6@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az8-12.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jan 29 6:53:42 AM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10987 In Arizona, USA, I understand that 2 people, or some sources say 6 people, have been killed since African bees made it here. We have Africans (Killer) and Italians at present in AZ. In the cases I have read, fatalities were resulting from provoked attacks. However, while I have friendly Italian bees, I am NOT an expert in Africans. hans-peter sloot wrote: > One of our national TV stations is going to show an American > documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the > two American continents. > > The announcement says that hundreds of people are yearly killed > by bees. Bees make more victims than any other kind of insect? > > Now I would like to know the truth! ( I am a hobby beekeeper in > The Netherlands, Europe and do not believe it) > However killer bees are not here in Europe many people start > talking about killer bees when you tell that you keep bees. > > How bad is the situation on both continents? > How many people are killed by these bees? > > I would like to have this information so that I can tell te truth to > others. > > Please send a copy of you reaction to my email address too! > > -- > Name :H.G.Sloot > Phone :+31-50-5855954 > E mail :H.G.Sloot@PTT-Telecom.NL > DISCLAIMER:This statement is not an official statement from, nor > does it represent an official position of, PTT Telecom BV. Article 10988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic Acid evaporator devices Message-ID: <886141947@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:59:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 29254285 REPLY: 240:44/0 be7347b3 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(193) M> From: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com Lines: 46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10988 Hallo Martin M> I would appreciate the advise of any beekeeper using a fast M> procedure of applying formic acid in commercial operations. M> I have experience with German devices (Nassenheider and M> Burmeister) and one Canadian (VTD) which are time and labor M> consuming. I translated from the German, the published research paper from the Free University of Berlin I use the Nassenheider evaporator myself. It uses the brood temperature to give a steady evaporation at 60 or 65% cocentration. The Ilitisser and Kraemer Plates are quicker to use, but not so reliable in dosage levels because of differing ambient temperature. The drawback is loss of queens in extreme over evaporation and absconding or underdosing and ineffectiveness. The NhH is from 95 -99% percent effective when used correctly. If you insert the Kraemer or illitisser plates under the brood box you use 85% acid concentrate or 60% above the brood. The fumes are heavier than air! There is an Austrian evaporator as you describe with a perforated lid, it is advertised in the German Bee Journal Email address Verlagsinfo@Dt-Bauernverlag.de . I have now found the advert, Stop der Varroa mit der regulateable evaporator. Safe and manageable. Regulated with a marked scale.For all hive systems. Fuer Langzeit und Stossbehandlung. Simple and effective. Beekeeping Apparatus System Schuhleitner. A-4020 Linz Hafen Strasse 61 Austria tel+ 43 732 77 53 00 fax+ 43 732 77 53 00 28 Cost it doesn't say it consists a circular container, with absorbent pad, 2 perforated discs above, then lid, it requires 85% formic acid (Ameisen Sauere) M> I wonder whether someone has tried a thin plastic box with M> holes so it can be pushed through the hive entrance or placed M> on top of the top bar frames. This way we would avoid removing M> a frame from the brood chamber. The above also had a write up the GBJ somewhere, I remember it being over the brood box but at 85% acid strength it could be equally used under the brood. I have seen no research papers on it's efficacy however. If you need some translation give me a shout, Langzeit is slow period, behandlung is treatment Stoss i forget. M> Thanks for your attention. Best wishes from the Garden of England. peter.hutton@btinternet.com M> Martin Braunstein M> e-mail: martinbraunstein@hotmail.com --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ban on Bee Cures Message-ID: <886141948@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:13:16 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 292577d2 REPLY: 240:44/0 c5790848 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(193) Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10989 Harry wrote L L> Hi all, L> An article in the February issue of Scottish Beekeeper which L> was taken from the Sunday Telegraph 30/11/97 talks about the L> new regulation "Statutory Instrument No. 1729" which in effect L> bans all chemical Varroa treatments except Bayvarol. The L> punishment for using any unlicensed chemicals being a fine up L> to £5000. L> I think that this will make it unlawful to use any of the acids, volatile L> substances and even mineral oil unless they are licensed. In L> Britain. I suppose it is a good idea in that if anything goes L> wrong then there is only L> one thing to blame, Bayvarol, but what happens when the mites become L> resistant to this chemical. Will Bayer come to our aid?? -- L> Harry L> Scotland L> Knitwear Web site: L> http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Hallo Harry, Dont worry you'll be alright soon as you elect your new Parliament, you will be able to write your own laws, you better polish up your election address now. It;s us Poor ***** down here that have to worry especially as the Fluvalinate resistant Varro are lining up along the French and Belgian coastline just awaiting their transport over. Actually we may already have our own resistant mites down here already. You are quite right about this stupid legislation and the fact that it is illegal to treat withanything other than Bayvarol, I have twenty litres of formic acid still and i find it very effective. We seem to employ Ostriches in Maff these days, not only do they put their heads underground when it comes to making decisions but they are hobbled as well. Weel what are you going to do??? Write to your MP, MEP, Minister of Agricuture Dr. Jack (Dolittle) Cunningham and the Veterinary Medicines Directorate, and lastly Petition the European Parliament. I'll send you a mail shortly with more information. Regards from the Garden of England (devoid of Bees and mites, all gone North) peter.hutton@btinternet.com --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 10990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "William F. Weinhoffer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Companies that supply bees Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:44:27 -0800 Organization: Apple Acre Apiaries Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34D2117B.5853@egyptian.net> References: <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <6ar1ij$ssn@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: appleacr@egyptian.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp08-sparta.egyptian.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-INW (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10990 Gary L. Bradshaw wrote: > > Depend upon where you live. There are good breeders in many parts of the > country. > We truck bees up to the NE through NC, VA, MD, DE, PA, NJ and NY for York > Bee Company, the largest breeder on the east coast. We provide live > delivery unlike the post office. We are accepting orders now for April > pickup at our store or at possible stop points along Interstate 95 as we > come North. If interested, contact us at gbees@workdnet.att.net or call > us at 908 996 6331 > > GBees Honey Farm representatives for Dadant, Maxant, Pierce, Everhot, > and LD Carlson. > > Neil Martin wrote in message > <6aonf1$2p7$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > I am planning to start 4-5 hives this spring. > Can anyone recomend a supplier? We would Highly recommend McCary Apiaries PO box 87 Buckatunna, Miss. 39322 Phone AFTER 5:00 pm 601-648-2747. he has excellent bees and a man of his word. Bill Weinhoffer appleacr@egyptian.net Article 10991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!157.161.139.130!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!157.161.128.75 From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Product code109302 Date: 31 Jan 98 00:29:31 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bd2dc4$a5f3cc20$4b80a19d@default> References: <19980124132101.IAA03412@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10991 The two names given in the post below for code 109302 actually describe the very same chemical, 'Fluvalinate' obviously a contraction of 'fluoro and valinate' but unless you happen to be a chemist it is not that trivial. Cheers, Francis MiksaHF schrieb im Beitrag <19980124132101.IAA03412@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > > One thing I learned from the usepa pages that the first fluvalinate > registration happen in 1983 3/25 us PC code is 109302 > product code 109302 formula is rs)-alpha=cyano-3-phenoxybenzl > (R)-2(2-chloro-4-(trifluoromethyl)anilino)-3-methlbutasnoate > > on the label now it says tau-fluvalinate ((rs)alpha-cyano-3phenoxybenzyl > n-(2-chloro-alpha,alpha,alpha-trifloro-p-tolyl)-D-valinate) All written > ALPHA in formula are symboles on label. > > untill I told Dr. Bill Wilson several weeks ago who is heading ars > investigatiion on tolerent mites in florida.. NO one would admit they knew > there was an ingredient change. > Article 10992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foundation Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:09:19 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6atj4s$ctj@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.33.5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10992 We are a bee supply dealer representing several manufacturers but more importantly we are commercial beekeepers and I have switched exclusively to Dadants Plasitcel foundation with standard wood frames. The plastic frames are too fragile and crack when prying them out. Bees love the plasticell whether it is wax coated or not and when we 'recycle' them, I scrape off the wax with a hive tool and then hit the frame and foundation with 300 deg F steam and they come back looking like new and NO warping. This also sterilizes them if there has been a disease problem. My opinion -- this foundation is basically a one time investment. When they build burr comb, I scrape it out with a hive tool in the field and put it right back into the hive. Gary gbees@worldnet.att.net beeman wrote in message <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net>... >i was wondering if anyone could tell me if they are using plastic frames >and wax and their experiences with them???? please post here or email me >at gmc@vci.net > Article 10993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bportrait@aol.com (BPortrait) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1000 hives for sale Date: 31 Jan 1998 05:15:01 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19980131051501.AAA23206@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10993 My father in law is looking to downsize his honey operation and is selling 1000 hives. I am writing to see if you would know of anyone who would be interested or if you could give me any information as to where I could advertise. Thank you, Brian Neher My email address is: BPortrait@aol.com Article 10994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carol@gilbertsville.com Subject: bee venom therapy Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:21:23 -0600 Message-ID: <886223480.1991770114@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 31 05:11:20 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: carol@gilbertsville.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 206.28.130.142 (nor-pm142.norwich.net) Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10994 the Bee Venom Therapy Journal is an on-line journal of a fellow with ms and his on-going experiences with bee venom therapy. 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The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 10996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: skyhope@aol.com (SkyHope) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: 31 Jan 1998 05:53:23 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <19980131055300.AAA28635@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10996 On Jan 29th, han-peter sloot wrote: >One of our national TV stations is going to show an American >documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the >two American continents. I live in Tulsa, OK, and, so far, the Africanized Honey Bees have not made it this far north. I have heard they will eventually, and I have heard they won't. For most hobby beekeepers here, the AHB is and will be a factor in getting out of the culture. The bees are just too defensive- and defensive is the word to use, rather than aggressive. These bees react to disturbance the same way other bees do, but with much more abandon. They are definitely 'Bees with an Attitude.' They can, indeed are, managed in South America, and Texas. Management techniques are a little different from other races, but they CAN be kept. However, they are not the kind of bees to keep if you have close neighbors, or any situation where other people besides the keeper may come into close contact with the hives. The speed of reaction, and numbers of defensive bees surprizes one. This is the major reason folks are killed by them. SkyHope@aol.com Article 10997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net> <6atj4s$ctj@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: foundation Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:29:19 -0500 Lines: 47 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-1.wr.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-1.wr.hom.net Message-ID: <34d2f075.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!dialin1-1.wr.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10997 AMEN! another hint...try the black ones, it's easier to see the eggs... Chip -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries Perry, GA USA [ Beeman@hom.net ] SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 Visit us at... [ http://www.hom.net/~beeman ] Gary L. Bradshaw wrote in message <6atj4s$ctj@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >We are a bee supply dealer representing several manufacturers but more >importantly we are commercial beekeepers and I have switched exclusively to >Dadants Plasitcel foundation with standard wood frames. The plastic frames >are too fragile and crack when prying them out. Bees love the plasticell >whether it is wax coated or not and when we 'recycle' them, I scrape off the >wax with a hive tool and then hit the frame and foundation with 300 deg F >steam and they come back looking like new and NO warping. This also >sterilizes them if there has been a disease problem. My opinion -- this >foundation is basically a one time investment. When they build burr comb, >I scrape it out with a hive tool in the field and put it right back into the >hive. > >Gary > >gbees@worldnet.att.net > > >beeman wrote in message <34CFF052.A46CD00D@vci.net>... >>i was wondering if anyone could tell me if they are using plastic frames >>and wax and their experiences with them???? please post here or email me >>at gmc@vci.net >> > > Article 10998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer bees: what is the truth? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:05:19 -0600 Organization: Netcom Lines: 42 Message-ID: <34D3AE2F.4556@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd2c8b$ef591170$10d80791@Hans-Peter> <19980131055300.AAA28635@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jan 31 2:59:57 PM PST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10998 SkyHope wrote: > > On Jan 29th, han-peter sloot wrote: > > >One of our national TV stations is going to show an American > >documentary about the spread of the Africanize bee over the > >two American continents. > > I live in Tulsa, OK, and, so far, the Africanized Honey Bees have not made it > this far north. I have heard they will eventually, and I have heard they won't. > > For most hobby beekeepers here, the AHB is and will be a factor in getting out > of the culture. The bees are just too defensive- and defensive is the word to > use, rather than aggressive. These bees react to disturbance the same way other > bees do, but with much more abandon. They are definitely 'Bees with an > Attitude.' > > They can, indeed are, managed in South America, and Texas. Management > techniques are a little different from other races, but they CAN be kept. > However, they are not the kind of bees to keep if you have close neighbors, or > any situation where other people besides the keeper may come into close contact > with the hives. > > The speed of reaction, and numbers of defensive bees surprizes one. This is the > major reason folks are killed by them. > SkyHope@aol.com The few beekeepers here in Texas that I knew of that had AHB ended up destroying them. One beekeeper recommended management by blowtorch. The rest of us replace our queens (I have buckfast bees) on a scheduled basis to avoid any outcrossing. That as near as I can tell is the only difference between myself and beekeepers in other states. We didn't go out of business, we adapted! The major reason for deaths seems to be ignorance. The common thread is... "I heard some buzzing but I didn't take the time to investigate..." A friend of mine had a feral hive that he refused to requeen (his motto was that you don't fix things that aren't broke) and ended up with a hive (five years later) that in one day quickly killed several animals and stung him severly. The buzz about AHB is more deadly than the reality! Susan Article 10999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.0.188.3!news.toolcity.net!news From: "Mike Shadow" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: solar wax melter plans Date: 1 Feb 1998 01:03:00 GMT Organization: Toolcity Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd2eac$25224f20$6fbd16d0@chuck> NNTP-Posting-Host: max3-111.toolcity.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:10999 I'm interested in obtaining a set of plans to build a solar wax melter. If any fellow beekeepers have a set, or know where I can buy a set, or even if you have any ideas you'd like to share I sure would appreciate it E-mail me or post it here. Thank you Charlie crrash@toolcity.net Article 11000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: solar wax melter plans Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:59:49 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34D390C5.E67@Birkey.com> References: <01bd2eac$25224f20$6fbd16d0@chuck> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 2397@206.68.164.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: Mike Shadow Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11000 Mike Shadow wrote: > > I'm interested in obtaining a set of plans to build a solar wax melter. If > any fellow beekeepers have a set, or know where I can buy a set, or even if > you have any ideas you'd like to share I sure would appreciate it > E-mail me or post it here. > Thank you > Charlie crrash@toolcity.net http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsxfer.visi.net!grouper.exis.net!ppp-5-157.exis.net!user From: macbill@exis.net (William G. Frank) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1000 hives for sale Date: 1 Feb 1998 04:42:20 GMT Organization: MyOwn Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <19980131051501.AAA23206@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-5-157.exis.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11001 In article <19980131051501.AAA23206@ladder02.news.aol.com>, bportrait@aol.com (BPortrait) wrote: >My father in law is looking to downsize his honey operation and is selling 1000 >hives. I am writing to see if you would know of anyone who would be interested >or if you could give me any information as to where I could advertise. Thank >you, Brian Neher > >My email address is: BPortrait@aol.com When you ask such qustions, it always helps to know your state, country, planet... Article 11002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1000 hives for sale Date: 1 Feb 1998 05:13:37 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980201051300.AAA16106@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11002 sounds like an ad to me ;o)) what city/state/country? Article 11003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.flash.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news2.epix.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: solar wax melter plans Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:11:43 -0800 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34C4401F.27B0@starpoint.net> References: <01bd2eac$25224f20$6fbd16d0@chuck> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.67 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11003 Mike Shadow wrote: > > I'm interested in obtaining a set of plans to build a solar wax melter. If > any fellow beekeepers have a set, or know where I can buy a set, or even if > you have any ideas you'd like to share I sure would appreciate it > E-mail me or post it here. > Thank you > Charlie crrash@toolcity.net There are plans for a solar melter as well as lots of other fun things to build at this web site. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/index.html Good luck Elroy Article 11004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.148.73.14!sam.ulster.net!not-for-mail From: Ashworth Books Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Major US Source for Out of Print Books Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:42:11 +0000 Organization: UlsterNet Inc. 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We ship books anywhere in the world. e-mail: ahab@ulster.net or visit our home page: http://www.ulster.net/~ahab Article 11005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!210.120.128.205!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!ARKCWRI From: ARKCWRI@chollian.dacom.co.kr (Chollian Newsgroup User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ban on Bee Cures Date: 1 Feb 1998 06:04:09 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6b138p$fig$1@news2.dacom.co.kr> References: <01bd2c1f$070ad280$LocalHost@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11005 Harry Goudie (luichart.woollens@virgin.net) wrote: : Hi all, : An article in the February issue of Scottish Beekeeper which was taken from : the Sunday Telegraph 30/11/97 talks about the new regulation "Statutory : Instrument No. 1729" which in effect bans all chemical Varroa treatments : except Bayvarol. The punishment for using any unlicensed chemicals being a : fine up to £5000. : I think that this will make it unlawful to use any of the acids, volatile : substances and even mineral oil unless they are licensed. In Britain. I : suppose it is a good idea in that if anything goes wrong then there is only : one thing to blame, Bayvarol, but what happens when the mites become : resistant to this chemical. Will Bayer come to our aid?? : -- : Harry : Scotland : Knitwear Web site: : http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/