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Give it a try! Article 32711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:03:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d21959e.383278787@news1.radix.net> References: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32711 On 30 Jun 2002 09:42:05 -0700, jim wrote: >In the US, the attempt to create a practical "gel-pack" is nothing >more than rational concern for the safety of the hobby beekeeper, >combined with the usual US-government paternalism wrapped up >in red tape and the US flag masquerading as "freedom from harm". > > jim > Gel packs were a USDA attempt by the way. Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? I get the feeling it ain't bees. beekeep Greg Ferris commercial beekeeper Southern Maryland Article 32712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 40-45 thousand bees per hive? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:27:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025612845 4.62.104.209 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:27:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:27:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32712 "Patrick Dugan" wrote: >I recently read an article that stated there are on the average between >40,000 and 45,000 bees per hive. I have two hives which were started early >this spring and both are two deep supers full. I have examined frames and >they are packed with bees but I don't believe there are 1000 per frame side >(2000 per frame.) Are they talking about some other type of hive? > Bee populations vary greatly from season to season. 40,000 to 45,000 per hive is a reasonable estimate overall, but strong colonies in the late spring often exceed 60,000 bees. That same colony in late winter is likely to be only a quarter of that. In very round numbers, the estimate of 2,000 bees per deep frame is reasonable too, but counting only frames that are dense with bees, as in the brood nest. Counting bees in a 2" by 2" area several times and multiplying it out should confirm this. For reference, a 3 pound package of bees has approximately 12,000 (10,000 per kg is another rough guideline I've heard). John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INSPECTION Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:52:12 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.104 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025642641 144.138.115.104 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:44:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:44:01 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32713 G,day folks, How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working well on tea-tree. Malcolm Article 32714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French honey? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:03:58 +0100 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6954iuge67used42l3fpdq57mmjf3h9s0t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-74.alqualonde.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025643647 22677 62.136.102.202 (2 Jul 2002 21:00:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2002 21:00:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32714 Anybody with French honey for import to the UK Article 32715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apyphit Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:04:31 +0100 Lines: 2 Message-ID: <0a54iu09u4k9m1splfs8vphducnkaqhnl5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-74.alqualonde.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025643680 22677 62.136.102.202 (2 Jul 2002 21:01:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2002 21:01:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32715 What happened to the Apyphit labs in France. Website and email address have gone? Article 32716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aussie Beekeeping Video Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:21:36 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.104 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025644405 144.138.115.104 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:13:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:13:25 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32716 G,day, Are there any Australian Beekeeping Videos available? Malcolm Article 32717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 40 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:58:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025668724 209.204.149.214 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:58:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:58:44 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.42.15.2!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:616 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32717 AUGH!!!! Just when things were looking to be going so smoothly, it looks like I've come home from work to find trouble in paradise. (OK, slightly south and east of Paradise... OK, never mind the geography pun...) It would appear that my poor little hive of bees is under attack. When I got home, there was a frenzy at the entrance, visible (and audible) from about 15-20 yards away, with a battle-royale going on that makes old "WCW extreme" matches look tame. There are dozens, possibly hundreds, of dead bees scattered around the "front porch" area of the hive. (Obviously, I've got no certain way to tell if they're the corpses of "my" troops, or intruders that have been repelled permanently) HELP! The only thing I could think of to do (none of my reading has specifically addressed trying to rescue a hive under attack by robbers) was shut down the entrance from "full wide-open" to about 4-5 bee-widths. That's done. A bottom bar from one of the rattiest of the frames I've got is serving the purpose nicely. Broken in half, and the ends put towards the middle, it's providing solid closure of most of the entrance. I doubt that it's a good idea to go for a total close-up, since I can see that SOME of the bees that are in-bound are "mine" - I can't imagine robbers toting in full pollen-baskets - and the battle is probably still raging as I type this, with probably another 20 minutes before sundown. So what more can I do? Anything? Or is it a "you're stuck sitting back and waiting to see what happens" kind of situation? Advice, *PLEASE!* -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sabine Eltermann" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:07:57 +0200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.142.197.67) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025680071 18253529 80.142.197.67 (16 [145558]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!p508ec543.dip0.t-ipconnect.DE!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:617 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32718 Put your hive tonight in darkness to another side of your house and turn the front to another direction as before. In most cases the robbers will not follow. Article 32719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jul 2002 14:30:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Comb Honey Containers Message-ID: <20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32719 Does anyone know where I can fine containers that will hold a complete shallow of comb honey. I know I've seen an ad somewhere. I've e-mailed three large bee supply co. and no luck. I thought it would be a good seller at the farm market this year. Thanks for any help. Bill Article 32720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025725546 10620 127.0.0.1 (3 Jul 2002 19:45:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2002 19:45:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32720 I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard to believe that they would be completely infallible. Nuc. Article 32721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:11:09 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.144 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025730934 18125958 144.139.221.144 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.144!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32721 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide > Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working > well on tea-tree. If that's paper-barked tea tree (Melaleuca quinquenervia), it's a major producer of both honey and pollen. And because you're near the coast in the sub-tropics, your colonies may be building strongly. My guess is that swarming may be a real possibility if not checked every few weeks and given enough space. John Article 32722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:28:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net> References: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32722 On 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: >I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only >speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare >instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new >residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted >out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off >by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While >the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard >to believe that they would be completely infallible. > >Nuc. Another explination could be that the relocated bees were pheramone fanning to let their foragers know where to land and the swarm picked up on it and took it as "here is our new home". I have seen two swarms move into one hive before. When keeping bees never say that you have seen everything. beekeep Article 32723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:49:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.2d X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 2002 00:49:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:618 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32723 I would get those bees out of there. Move them three or so miles away and reduce the entrance. This is the only sure way pending that where you move them doesn't have a high concentration of bees. If you don't have a friend with some land or your own land away from the main apiary, then you might be better off to combine the weak colony with a strong one. If you knew which hive was the instigator, then switch the weak hive with the strong one. This way the weak hive will pick up the strong hives field force, thus making it a robust colony. Usually this also confuses them enough to put the robbing to a halt. Hope this helps you, Christopher Petree Article 32724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee related cartoon... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:26:58 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-162.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32724 Bee related cartoon... http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9405/df940503.jpg Article 32725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry Reynolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for back issues of Gleanings in Bee Culture Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:58:03 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32725 I am looking for several back issues of Gleanings Can you help? Feb 1975 Oct 1976 Jan 1978 Feb 1992 Apr 1992 Our library (Texas A&M University) is missing these issues from an otherwise complete run of this magazine. I want to purchase and donate them to the library. Article 32726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:39:26 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-201-81.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025754150 news.dial.pipex.com 237 62.190.201.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!auucp0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32726 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >When one generalizes >about a process that one does not understand, and is too lazy >to even read what can be found on the web about the process, >what else can it be called? Why mince words? This is, after >all, "sci.agriculture.beekeeping", not "alt.speculation.wild". :) I did search high and low for several hours for information on the web about the licensing and registration of substances for food production and agricultural use in the EU and the UK, but to no avail. All the web pages that I get served up from Google point to reports about conventions of politicians hearing lectures, with an occasional unrelated page set up by enterprising American lawyers with extensive tagging. My "local health agency" (which I take to be the Forestry Commission) could only provide me with what I can only hope is an incomplete list of approved proprietary chemical products for use on bees (Certan, Fumidal 'B', Bayvarol, Thymol, Apistan, Apiguard, PDB, and to round out the whole of the list, as a nod to non-proprietary registered treatments, Acetic Acid 99%). Short of ringing DEFRA and making a nuisance of myself three days a week until they actually tell me something or send me something useful (not a favourite pastime of farmers since having to deal with their lackeys during the Foot and Mouth killings in the UK last year), I should be very interested to find out more about the "process" of which I am so hopelessly ignorant. It is no secret to anyone, I shouldn't think, that EU regulations and workings are about as little "transparent" as you can get. If you could be so kind and clever as to serve me up some appropriate pages (you seem to suggest that it is easy enough) detailing this process for the EU, I would be genuinely grateful. You seem to be in the know about such things, and it would undoubtedly be a great help if you could point us in the right direction. I have a farm to run, and do not get much time to make endless searches for information about the "processes" of the great EU. My late winter cabbages are late enough as it is. Kind regards, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 78 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 05:10:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025759416 209.204.149.228 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:10:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:10:16 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:619 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32727 In article , "Christopher Petree" wrote: > I would get those bees out of there. Move them three or so miles away and > reduce the entrance. This is the only sure way pending that where you move > them doesn't have a high concentration of bees. > > If you don't have a friend with some land or your own land away from the > main apiary, then you might be better off to combine the weak colony with a > strong one. > > If you knew which hive was the instigator, then switch the weak hive with > the strong one. This way the weak hive will pick up the strong hives field > force, thus making it a robust colony. Usually this also confuses them > enough to put the robbing to a halt. No place to relocate them, really. "My" hive is a loner - There's only the one. If what I suspect is true, the wild colony in the oak tree that originally threw the swarm that became my hive is the one doing the robbing. Not much practical way to combine the two, since the "wild" ones are about 30 feet off the ground in a branch of tree I'd trust for climbing *ALMOST* as far as I can spit - So called "valley oak", about 200 feet high, and with lots of rotten branches. I wouldn't climb up that thing on a bet, let alone try to round up a wild colony of bees while in it! First thing I did when I discovered the activity was take the entrance down to about 4-5 bee-widths. That was last night about 20 minutes before I posted the original message. As of this morning before I left for work, it LOOKED like the robbing had either stopped, or slowed down in a REALLY big way. There were only two "battles" going on, and it *seemed* like in both of them, "my" bees were coming out on top - I suspect that "invaders" wouldn't be trying to ball "invadees", anyway... I just got home from work a few minutes ago, and since the sun is down, I wasn't able to see if there was any obvious battle going on, but I suspect not. I sure didn't hear the sort of fracas I did last night. I'll be taking a closer look when I go out to feed the horses in a few minutes. Aside from the two battles, this morning, there were foragers coming and going like crazy, with a HUGE percentage of the incoming bees toting gigantic wads of pollen. Guessing from the color, it looks like the first of the star thistle has started popping open. From my reading, that's a really *REALLY* good bee flower, and I seem to recall at least one mention of it being planted deliberately out here back in days gone by, specifically for the purpose of providing bee-chow. I've got mixed feelings about the stuff... I'm a horseman first, a beekeeper later. Star thistle is mechanically dangerous (For those of you not familiar with the plant, it has a mass of spikes on the flower heads that bear a *VERY* strong resemblance to steel straight-pins - a REALLY good way to tear up a horse's mouth and innards) to horses, and to add insult to injury, it's also a cumulative chemical toxin to them, causing a problem that I've often heard described as "horsey alzheimers" because of the effect it has on the physical structure (and functionality...) of their brains. They get enough of the stuff, it'll kill 'em, and in a rather ugly fashion, even without the spikes. So I'm kinda torn in two directions... Yeah, it's great bee-graze, but it's toxic to my first priority: the horses. So what do I do? I rip it out anytime I spot a plant anywhere near where one of our horses is likely to get near. Doesn't do a lot of good, though... We're literally surrounded by the stuff. One neighbor up the road has a hillside that covers about 3-4 acres. This time of year, the *ONLY* thing growing on it besides half a dozen or so oak trees is star thistle, from one edge to the other. Walking through that section of land without armored pants is a good way to bleed to death! But anyway... It sounds like about all I can really do right now is hope for the best... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: INSPECTION Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:28:10 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.89 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025767195 144.134.81.89 (Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:19:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:19:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32728 G,day, If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive swarm? thank you Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:afvphl$h9546$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide > > Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working > > well on tea-tree. > > If that's paper-barked tea tree (Melaleuca quinquenervia), it's a > major producer of both honey and pollen. And because you're near > the coast in the sub-tropics, your colonies may be building > strongly. > > My guess is that swarming may be a real possibility if not > checked every few weeks and given enough space. > > John > > Article 32729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:13:47 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cwpp-p-203-54-206-60.prem.tmns.net.au (203.54.206.60) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025820857 19522509 203.54.206.60 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!cwpp-p-203-54-206-60.prem.tmns.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32729 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day, > If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive > swarm? > thank you I guess not. Drone build-up is something to keep an eye on though. As far as its being winter is concerned, you can't really pretend that it gets cold in your part of the world (says he jealously). But daylight length is at its minimum, that's true. Bee colonies can be as quirky as humans in their behaviour. With a good honey and pollen source, regular checks shouldn't be a problem for them. John Article 32730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: INSPECTION Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:12:44 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.17 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025823868 144.134.81.17 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:04:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:04:28 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32730 G,day John Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending this off. Thank you Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag2hbn$ijoud$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day, > > If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive > > swarm? > > thank you > > I guess not. Drone build-up is something to keep an eye on > though. > > As far as its being winter is concerned, you can't really pretend > that it gets cold in your part of the world (says he jealously). > But daylight length is at its minimum, that's true. > > Bee colonies can be as quirky as humans in their behaviour. With > a good honey and pollen source, regular checks shouldn't be a > problem for them. > > John > > Article 32731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dubas@email.com (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: going out of business sale Date: 4 Jul 2002 17:43:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.83.130.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025829803 29933 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 00:43:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 00:43:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32731 located in pottstown, PA Hello, I am selling all of my hive and extracting equipment. 34 double deep hives, with full honey crop ( approx. 90 mediums and shallows) 20 frame radial extractor 50 + bottoms 50 + Covers 40 + empty shallows (no frames) 10 unpainted assembled deeps approx 25-30 unassebled nuc boxes 3-5 misc cases foundation 350 + 12 oz bear size cylinders for honey 5 gallon bucket band heater 5 cases 5lb jars misc tools bee vac lots of other misc stuff keep in mind there are about 90 honey supers on the bees now. They sit on 40 acres in an orchard. Lots of clover. I wanted to let you all know first before I start advertising. $5000.00 takes everything. Not selling individual items. Price not negotiable. if interested please contact Andrew @ sales@dubees.com Article 32732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dubas@email.com (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Date: 4 Jul 2002 17:49:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.83.130.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025830173 30108 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 00:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 00:49:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32732 located in pottstown, PA Hello, I am selling all of my hive and extracting equipment. 34 double deep hives, with full honey crop ( approx. 90 mediums and shallows) 20 frame radial extractor 50 + bottoms 50 + Covers 40 + empty shallows (no frames) 10 unpainted assembled deeps approx 25-30 unassebled nuc boxes 3-5 misc cases foundation 350 + 12 oz bear size cylinders for honey 5 gallon bucket band heater 5 cases 5lb jars misc tools bee vac lots of other misc stuff keep in mind there are about 90 honey supers on the bees now. They sit on 40 acres in an orchard. Lots of clover. I wanted to let you all know first before I start advertising. $5000.00 takes everything. Not selling individual items. Price not negotiable. if interested please contact Andrew @ sales@dubees.com Article 32733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 4 Jul 2002 19:52:19 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-323.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32733 Kelly said: > It is no secret to anyone, I shouldn't think, that EU regulations > and workings are about as little "transparent" as you can get. Agreed. Clear as mud. > If you could be so kind and clever as to serve me up some > appropriate pages (you seem to suggest that it is easy enough) > detailing this process for the EU, I would be genuinely grateful. My understanding is that local (country) rules apply, and the EU regs do not take effect until 2003. But here are the regs, in their current glory, subject to massive revision without notice. http://www.bbka.org.uk/bbkafiles/honey-directive-2001_110_ec.pdf There are also organic standards. Here they are http://www.beekeeping.com/databases/eu_organic_honey_standard.htm That should at least be a start. jim Article 32734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:34:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> <3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 36 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32734 Thanks guys, I hadn't thought of these. Either could be a definite possibility. All of the splits have been having heavy "play" flights in the afternoons. A little misguided swarm passing by at the right time could definitely be lured by the scent calling the new flyers home. Great insight! Thanks very much. Best wishes, --Muddawg "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net... > On 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: > > >I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only > >speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare > >instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new > >residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted > >out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off > >by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While > >the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard > >to believe that they would be completely infallible. > > > >Nuc. > > Another explination could be that the relocated bees were pheramone > fanning to let their foragers know where to land and the swarm picked > up on it and took it as "here is our new home". I have seen two > swarms move into one hive before. When keeping bees never say that > you have seen everything. > > beekeep > Article 32735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:05:58 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.212 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025852722 19555996 144.139.221.212 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.212!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32735 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day John > Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has > hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his > hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine > over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site > www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending > this off. > Thank you NSW Agriculture has a great site too, packed with information. Go to http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au and click on Animals, and then Honey bees. John Article 32736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: 5 Jul 2002 03:03:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.88.159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025863397 14207 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 10:03:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 10:03:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32736 My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen cells. I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. There was lots of honey. The queen cells were uncapped. The hive was very quiet and docile. Can I put a queen in at this time of year? If so, where would I order one from? Norm Patterson New Hartford, CT Article 32737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Hooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com> Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:13:13 +1000 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts136.pcug.org.au Message-ID: <3d257170@newshost.pcug.org.au> X-Trace: 5 Jul 2002 20:14:08 +1000, ts136.pcug.org.au Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newshost.pcug.org.au!ts136.pcug.org.au Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32737 Beecrofter, Your idea of sliding a cappings scratcher under the cappings sounds very interesting. Would you please describe the method in more detail. Is the scratcher held at a shallow angle and used to lift off (or cut through) the cell caps? What is the advantage over scratching with a tool held more vertical? ------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hooper Canberra, Australia "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com... > Look into cappings scratchers > especially when you just start out as all the comb isn't fully drawn out or > even. > Don't scratch slide them along under the cappings. > > Article 32738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Van Dijk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:26:46 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b7290.free.wxs.nl X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1025868594 852 213.75.114.144 (5 Jul 2002 11:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 11:29:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32738 Norman Patterson schreef in berichtnieuws 72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Just wait and be patient! Do not open the hive, you will disturb the natural behaviour of the bees! A young queen starts laying eggs only when all brood has gone. It takes 24 days after the old queen left with the swarm. Article 32739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Marc Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French honey? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:33:21 +0200 Organization: Electricite de France Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3D25AE31.B4356B7D@edf.fr> References: <6954iuge67used42l3fpdq57mmjf3h9s0t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rep20aa.der.edf.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: clnews.edf.fr 1025879518 13237 149.251.134.36 (5 Jul 2002 14:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadm@news.edf.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:31:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.edf.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32739 Hello A work colleague who is also a beekeeper in his spare time has difficulties selling his honey production in Fance. He has 140 kg (308 lbs) to spare. If you are interested answer directly to marc.louat@edf.fr or marc.louat@planetis.com Steve Newport a écrit : > > Anybody with French honey for import to the UK Article 32740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:34:59 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0418.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025893988 21326 195.159.90.163 (5 Jul 2002 18:33:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:33:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32740 Hi Norman, A hive will very rarely end up without a queen due to swarming. However, what you might experience is that if the weather conditions are good, the first young queen(s) that comes out of the cell(s) will leave the hive with new smaller swarm(s). It's therefore common practise to remove all queen cells except one. You should inspect the cell after it's due to make sure that the larvae developed as expected. However, a larvae rarely dies if the cell isn't damaged in any way. Moreover, it's useful to remember the different stages in a queens development, 3 days as egg, 5 days as open larvae, and 8 days capped. A hive that has swarmed will accept any new introduced queen from the day their own first queen is supposed to arrive. However, all cells and a possible new queen must first be removed from the hive. A new young queen is small and fast and an expert in hiding. Consequently easily overlooked. Good luck. Johan "Norman Patterson" skrev i melding news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > There was lots of honey. > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Norm Patterson > New Hartford, CT Article 32741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:40:50 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-231.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025894500 news.dial.pipex.com 8507 62.190.200.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32741 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >That should at least be a start. Many thanks, Jim! /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:03:08 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-231.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025895801 news.dial.pipex.com 230 62.190.200.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed03.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32742 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >That should at least be a start. Those pages are really interesting, and help also to clarify what the labels in the shops mean, and the first page you cited even helps to clarify why the legislators are legislating as they are. Were you able to find anything about the process of having substances approved for use on bees? What is the process over there in the US? I suppose at this stage I am just curious. All these folks using powdered sugar to detect the varroa, etc: how long will it be, and what would it entail for one of them (us?) to go through the process of trying to get it noticed by the appropriate bodies? I think for a lot of folks (not just bee folks), these procedures (how substances, products, foods, etc. get to be approved for use) are a great mystery. My tendency, of course, is to wonder, "if it's as clear as mud, well, WHY is it only as clear as mud?" I suppose I could try HM Stationer's office for some kind of forms and notes, but what exactly am I to ask for? Is there a web page/book/article/anything that explains the process of approving stuff for agricultural or food use within the UK or the EU (for we are doomed, it would seem, to the same course at the moment)? Sorry to ask you for more. I feel like what we call over here to be "on a good wicket" now. with many thanks, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Another SIG file Spammer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:49:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1025898587 161.184.141.129 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:49:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:49:47 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32743 > /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S > -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY > // > // Kelly and Sandy Anderson > // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) > // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ > // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: > // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 > */ What the hell is this besides a 9 line crap spam SIG file advertisement for what.......??? Article 32744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sabine Eltermann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:11:50 +0200 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec644.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.142.198.68) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025903504 18962680 80.142.198.68 (16 [145558]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!p508ec644.dip0.t-ipconnect.DE!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32744 Hi, Norman, be patient! If all queen cells are uncapped, there will be a young queen! Mr. Van Dijk is right, she will start laying when the old brood is off the cells. If you looked for her in the afternoon, maybe she is on her mating flight... Wait for another two weeks before you open the hive again otherwise you may loose her by being killed by the other bees, who are not her daughters. (I've lost 3 in this way this year just because I was impatient...) Sabine Article 32745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:29:08 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0429.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025904437 24271 195.159.90.174 (5 Jul 2002 21:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:27:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32745 Oh, sorry that I overlooked the sentence in Norman's message where it says that all queen cells were uncapped. Consequently, there should only be one young queen in the hive. However, I don't see why the young queen should get killed by the other bees if the hive is opened. I've had bees for twenty years and have never seen that happen. Why should they want to kill the queen? Johan "Sabine Eltermann" skrev i melding news:ag522g$i2m7o$1@ID-145558.news.dfncis.de... > Hi, Norman, > be patient! If all queen cells are uncapped, there will be a young queen! > Mr. Van Dijk is right, she will start laying when the old brood is off the > cells. If you looked for her in the afternoon, maybe she is on her mating > flight... > Wait for another two weeks before you open the hive again otherwise you may > loose her by being killed by the other bees, who are not her daughters. > (I've lost 3 in this way this year just because I was impatient...) > Sabine > > Article 32746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3Pdg$OAEChJ9EwSv@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:32:52 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-203-69.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025904785 news.dial.pipex.com 238 62.190.203.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed02.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32746 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <050720021348032828%spam@er.com >, entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", Another SIG file Spammer wrote >What the hell is this besides a 9 line crap spam SIG file advertisement >for what.......??? Well, for that you'll have to ask my husband. He believes that folks intelligent and persevering enough will eventually figure out how to send private email to us directly at these addresses, should they have a genuine desire to do so. I have indeed received mail from several newsgroup folks who were able to get beyond the spamguarding. I leave his standard sig on my own emails because it's easier and doesn't require me to eventually explain to him why I would remove it when he catches me doing it. It used to bear our telephone number as well. It's not an advertisement for anything. It tells people -- but not scanning "bots" -- how to get in touch with us. It gives you our real names, and several ways of contacting us. Which is more than I can say for "Another SIG file Spammer ". Really, you do waste your time. /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com> Subject: Re: Comb Honey Containers Lines: 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5koV8.288090$_j6.14169425@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:37:05 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-6tBJNkyc4r5eEpYMoimd3cKaxKyYnNT+AnExYaA+5XIalvqRsXdUQEZONO1GwDiSUDJvCgjRmrIx7Dr!jZWVcxzvLHAxRIi6wZ0Bg/+p1InFxm/miaEgYen2evMROLRGvxDeHxNLODH1LICDlLPPaWDA6y92!ytxu+Al5933icyJEAwc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:37:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32747 Hello Bill, Let me understand exactly what you're wanting to do. You want a container (probably glass) that will hold a whole intact (without the wood) shallow frame of honey comb. I'm assuming you want it to be something like 11 inches long and 5 inches in diameter with a mouth about the same size. Let me know if this is correct. I might know of a place. Mark in West Texas "BillsHsFrm" wrote in message news:20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com... > Does anyone know where I can fine containers that will hold a complete shallow > of comb honey. I know I've seen an ad somewhere. I've e-mailed three large bee > supply co. and no luck. I thought it would be a good seller at the farm market > this year. Thanks for any help. Bill > Article 32748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Jul 2002 23:29:05 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Help please - hive in chimney ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32748 Can someone help please, I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. Can anyone offer advice please?? Many Thanks John Article 32749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 00:44:08 GMT References: <5koV8.288090$_j6.14169425@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Comb Honey Containers Message-ID: <20020705204408.26780.00001719@mb-cv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32749 Hi Mark What I want is a cardboard container of some type that will hold a shallow comb of honey, with or without cellophane to show the honeycomb. At present I sell it in the 4.25x4.25 in a plastic cont. I buy from Mann Lake. I thought it would be a big seller if the customer could pick their own frame of comb honey out and I would cut it out and put it in a container or sell it with frame attached and put in a cont. I know I saw an ad a long time ago with comb honey packaged this way Regds Bill in S.E. Mich Article 32750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:10:25 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0276.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025917714 27884 195.159.53.20 (6 Jul 2002 01:08:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32750 Hi John, concerning the Fire Brigade, you are worried the wax will catch fire when melting? Anyway, is there electricity in the farmhouse? "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Me Again Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> <3Pdg$OAEChJ9EwSv@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:05:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1025921140 161.184.141.129 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:05:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:05:40 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32751 > Kelly and Sandy wrote: > It gives you our real names, and several ways of contacting us. Well I'll be sporting and give you a stretch on the munging of your e-mail addy but pray tell why would anyone enclose a hyperlink to their own personal vanity site and then MUNGE the URL. That defies logic. By the way since you are talking about your hubby and intelligence then I have to presume that both of you intelligent people are well aware of newsgroup netiquette that SIG file should be no more than two lines. But you two new that already...... Now didn't you. Oh by the way why did you reply using your real e-mail addy...??? kelsan@dial.pipex.com Your not even consistent. Arn't you afraid that all those bots will pick it up. Yuppers folks..... Another poster trying to justify an abnoxiously long SIG file advertisement. Well at least they are not posting in HTML. > Really, you do waste your time. And at 9 extra lines of SIG file with each and every posting you two make ( in any newsgroup ) spread over at least ten thousand newservers you Madam are wasting bandwidth every time you hit the post button. Article 32752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 12:12:24 GMT References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32752 You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and other and not involve the newsgroup with this. Article 32753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Just Me Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <060720021110151370%just@me.com> References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 44 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:11:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1025975518 161.184.141.129 (Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:11:58 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:11:58 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32753 > HarrisonRW wrote: > You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and > other > and not involve the newsgroup with this. Harrison..... I never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever use my correct e-mail addy when posting to a public newsgroup and I never, ever, ever, ever, send anyone an e-mail that I found in a newsgroup. When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. Harrison..... Many people munge their e-mail addy but does it require a SIG file like this to explain it.....??? /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ And Harrison..... How many people do you know that post a hyperlink to their very own site and then munge the URL. That is stupidity at the extreme. Add to that the PGP signature...... Good grief.... Someone from this group is going to start impersonating them perhaps, and as a result they need a PGP signature in a beekeeping newsgroup to verify their authenticity. That's vanity and arrogance in the extreme Newsgroup netiquette over the years has consistently agreed that a 2 line (discrete) SIG file is generally acceptable..... A 9 line SIG file is not. Article 32754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 18:05:34 GMT References: <060720021110151370%just@me.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <20020706140534.05894.00002783@mb-mf.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32754 >When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and >have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their >own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their >ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. I'm sorry but you really do need to get a real life. This SIG file thing is nothing to loose sleep over. Now let's get back to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Article 32755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:14:52 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.122 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025985995 144.138.115.122 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:06:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:06:35 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32755 G,day John, I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off with frames with new foundation? Thanks for your help. Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag3gfg$ikpks$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day John > > Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has > > hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his > > hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine > > over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site > > www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending > > this off. > > Thank you > > NSW Agriculture has a great site too, packed with information. > Go to http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au and click on Animals, and then > Honey bees. > > John > > Article 32756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees out of the boxes. Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:21:58 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.122 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025986421 144.138.115.122 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:13:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:13:41 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32756 G,day folks, When I inspected my hives I noticed most of the hives had lots (20-50) dead bees on the ground outside of the front of the boxes. Because it is mid-winter here in Queensland and for the past week, nights have been down to 5c, would the weather have been the problem or could it be something else? Malcolm Article 32757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:12:31 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-6-p32.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32757 why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the population. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "JAdms5" a écrit dans le message de news: 20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:40:36 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.35 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025993178 20471031 144.139.221.35 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.35!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32758 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day John, > I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted > honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming > full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, > one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. > Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes > with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off > with frames with new foundation? > Thanks for your help. > Malcolm Personally, when replacing frames in a brood box, I prefer to use light coloured drawn out frames which are composed entirely of worker cells. This is part of my swarm-control strategy. John Article 32759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 22:36:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Message-ID: <20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32759 >why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the >population. Hi Johan Hi Martin-Paul. Yes Johan there is electricity in the house. How does this matter ? And OK Martin-Paul How does a local beekeeper bring them into a hive. The chimney is VERY high !! I've taken lots of swarms in my time but this is an established colony and really inaccessible. Please explain more !! Article 32760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out of the boxes. Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:00:35 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-627.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025996530 14239 217.135.49.115 (6 Jul 2002 23:02:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2002 23:02:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!isdnet!proxad.net!teaser.fr!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32760 20-50 is not many! Bees do die in winter - a colony here may go into winter with 15000-18000 bees and have only 10000 left by spring. It is a good sign that they are outside - this means that there are bees inside keeping the hive clean, so they are probably doing fine. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:VbIV8.28977$Hj3.89114@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G,day folks, > When I inspected my hives I noticed most of the hives had lots (20-50) dead > bees on the ground outside of the front of the boxes. Because it is > mid-winter here in Queensland and for the past week, nights have been down > to 5c, would the weather have been the problem or could it be something > else? > Malcolm > > Article 32761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:14:27 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0452.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026000755 18072 195.159.90.197 (7 Jul 2002 00:12:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:12:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32761 Hi again John, guess I should have expanded last time instead of asking about the electricity. Anyway, a solution might be to put a kind of board on the top of the chimney. A regular box with a small whole that the bees will have to pass through in order to get in and out of the chimney might do the trick. Then a vacum cleaner should be arranged so the "pipe"? is close to the whole, drawing the bees into it when they pass by. I caught a swarm recently that was not accessible any other way. The bees got crushed in the wacum cleaner but it worked very well. The cleaner should run on a low level since it might be tough on the fan. Have it run in the middle of the day, as long as bees can be seen passing by. It shouldn't take long before the colony is dramatically reduced in size... eventually dying out. Johan "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com... > >why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the > >population. > > Hi Johan Hi Martin-Paul. > > Yes Johan there is electricity in the house. How does this matter ? > > And OK Martin-Paul How does a local beekeeper bring them into a hive. The > chimney is VERY high !! I've taken lots of swarms in my time but this is an > established colony and really inaccessible. Please explain more !! Article 32762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:46:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d281bc9.398654630@news1.radix.net> References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> <060720021110151370%just@me.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32762 On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:11:58 GMT, Just Me wrote: >> HarrisonRW wrote: > >> You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and >> other >> and not involve the newsgroup with this. > >Harrison..... I never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever use my correct >e-mail addy when posting to a public newsgroup and I never, >ever, ever, ever, send anyone an e-mail that I found in a newsgroup. > >When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and >have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their >own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their >ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. > You should go to Ebay and type "life" into the search box because you really need to get one. beekeep Article 32763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1026065733 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:15:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:15:33 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32763 You may well have a virgin that hasn't yet started laying. The calmness is a clue that the bees think they have a queen; that is good. Give them a frame of brood with some eggs on it. It will help them get going again, and it is a test of queenlessness. If they build cells they truly are queenless. You will not get a fully queenless hive to accept an introduced queen without some young bees, so don't waste queens by that route. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > There was lots of honey. > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Norm Patterson > New Hartford, CT Article 32764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:00:18 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.101 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1026075115 144.134.81.101 (Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:51:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:51:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32764 G,day Thank you John for the advice. I will do that after I have aired the frames. I enjoyed visiting the web site you suggested. Thank you Malcolm. "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag7pkp$jgn7n$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day John, > > I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted > > honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming > > full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, > > one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. > > Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes > > with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off > > with frames with new foundation? > > Thanks for your help. > > Malcolm > > Personally, when replacing frames in a brood box, I prefer to use > light coloured drawn out frames which are composed entirely of > worker cells. This is part of my swarm-control strategy. > > John > > Article 32765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:32:08 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0470.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026120614 24710 195.159.90.215 (8 Jul 2002 09:30:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32765 So John, How is it going with the swarm in the chimeny? It's not a lot of activity in this group and it would be nice to hear how things turn out.... Johan "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:52:10 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> <9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0470.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026121816 25049 195.159.90.215 (8 Jul 2002 09:50:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32766 Dave, it's a good suggestion to put in a frame of brood with eggs to test for queenlessness. At the same time, my experience is that a young queen rarely disappears when out for mating. On the other hand, if it should happen, the queenless hive will then accept ANY new queen introduced to them. Similarly, the young queen can be removed from the hive and replaced by any other, young or older. This is useful to know if your'e not happy with what you've got and have bought some valueable queens instead. This applies before the original young one has started to lay eggs. Then things become a bit more trickier. There is also one other exception to the rule though. If the community has been withouth a queen for so long that one or more workers have started to lay eggs.... then it might be almost impossible to introduce a new one. In general, beginners have a tendency to believe that the queen is missing and therefore tries to put new ones in. It gets killed and it's usually believed to be because they have disturbed the hive in any way. The reason for the new queen not being accepted is of course that the hive already has one. "Dave Green" skrev i melding news:9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com... > You may well have a virgin that hasn't yet started laying. The calmness > is a clue that the bees think they have a queen; that is good. Give them a > frame of brood with some eggs on it. It will help them get going again, and > it is a test of queenlessness. If they build cells they truly are queenless. > You will not get a fully queenless hive to accept an introduced queen > without some young bees, so don't waste queens by that route. > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > > "Norman Patterson" wrote in message > news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > > cells. > > > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > > > There was lots of honey. > > > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > > > If so, where would I order one from? > > > > Norm Patterson > > New Hartford, CT > > Article 32767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: 8 Jul 2002 13:28:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <700de225.0207081228.351109fb@posting.google.com> References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.3.143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026160118 5390 127.0.0.1 (8 Jul 2002 20:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2002 20:28:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32767 jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) wrote in message news:<20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com>... > Can someone help please, John Been there done it though probably not quite on the scale of the problem you're talking about. I dealt with a similar problem in a friend's house - smaller chimney though which may have helped. I used smoke bombs that are designed for cleaning a greenhouse of bugs. I think there was three in the packet, and I lit all three and blocked off the fire place apart from allowing air in at the bottom. It was totally successful. As I was inside it never realy established whether the bees actually flew off - there was a lot of dead ones on the path outside. Presumably the same technique would apply with a bigger chimney and more bombs. The fire was never used and was blocked off again after I'd done my bit. The concern would be then if a fire was lit in the fireplace as there would be a danger of a chimney fire. Regretably we don't have little boys now adays ! But a sweep with a large enough brush should be able to shift most of the wax when there are no bees there. Rob > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John Article 32768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-111-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1026163767 21353 213.122.111.100 (8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32768 I stupidly omitted to remove a super of oilseed rape honey on time and, predictably, it is now completely granulated - certainly, impossible to extract. I seem to remember reading that scoring through these granulated frames (with a hive tool) will induce bees to consume the honey and, effectively, reuse and rebuild. Have I got this right? Given that there is plenty of late oilseed rape just coming into flower, I'd have thought that the colony will go for that, rather than the granulated stuff (and I'd prefer them to, of course.) So, is there anything I can do with these frames at the moment - particularly anything that will enable me to reuse the super fairly soon? Apologies if this is a question that has already been dealt with: I don't get to read this Newsgroup that often. Any help very gratefully received. Paul Bowden UK Article 32769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:31:26 +0200 Organization: news.onet.pl Lines: 15 Sender: sdmrules@poczta.onet.pl@212.191.160.225 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.191.160.225 X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1026167481 6275 212.191.160.225 (8 Jul 2002 22:31:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2002 22:31:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news.rmf.pl!agh.edu.pl!news.agh.edu.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32769 U¿ytkownik "Patrick Dugan" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Where I live > (southwestern Missouri in United States) we often get a dry period during > the summer that last approximately two months. This occurs after the rainy > season which also lasts a couple of months. I am debating using the feeder > jars and giving the bees water during that period. Is this a sensible > thing to do or am I causing any problems? You should supply your bees with water from Spring to Winter. Article 32770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: 1@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to Say ADIOS to Your..."J.O.B." 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This message is sent in compliance of the proposed bill SECTION 301, paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618. * This message is not intended for residents in the State of Washington, Virginia or California, screening of addresses has been done to the best of our technical ability. nrbrhcyuphbzzfkphmjrnhklxmzfwzmdqnuuwhgkrk Article 32771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "..." Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:16:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026177375 216.26.16.70 (Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:16:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:16:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:650 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32771 If the star thisle grows that readly Id just keep it off your land and let the bees gather from the neighbors places... Bees will go a long ways to forage... I winder if the star thissle is the same thing as the stinging nettles we hage growing wild here in Oregon.. seems the hotter the Summer the more you see of that around.... its a purple flowwer that looks like a pincone shape with lots of sharp pointed thissles sticking out... I know that herbal people freeze dry the leaves of the plan and sell it as a alergy remedy.... Brian > Aside from the two battles, this morning, there were foragers coming and > going like crazy, with a HUGE percentage of the incoming bees toting > gigantic wads of pollen. Guessing from the color, it looks like the > first of the star thistle has started popping open. From my reading, > that's a really *REALLY* good bee flower, and I seem to recall at least > one mention of it being planted deliberately out here back in days gone > by, specifically for the purpose of providing bee-chow. I've got mixed > feelings about the stuff... I'm a horseman first, a beekeeper later. > Star thistle is mechanically dangerous (For those of you not familiar > with the plant, it has a mass of spikes on the flower heads that bear a > *VERY* strong resemblance to steel straight-pins - a REALLY good way to > tear up a horse's mouth and innards) to horses, and to add insult to > injury, it's also a cumulative chemical toxin to them, causing a problem > that I've often heard described as "horsey alzheimers" because of the > effect it has on the physical structure (and functionality...) of their > brains. They get enough of the stuff, it'll kill 'em, and in a rather > ugly fashion, even without the spikes. > > So I'm kinda torn in two directions... Yeah, it's great bee-graze, but > it's toxic to my first priority: the horses. So what do I do? I rip it > out anytime I spot a plant anywhere near where one of our horses is > likely to get near. Doesn't do a lot of good, though... We're literally > surrounded by the stuff. One neighbor up the road has a hillside that > covers about 3-4 acres. This time of year, the *ONLY* thing growing on > it besides half a dozen or so oak trees is star thistle, from one edge > to the other. Walking through that section of land without armored pants > is a good way to bleed to death! > > > > But anyway... > It sounds like about all I can really do right now is hope for the > best... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > Article 32772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Randy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting a hive...lots of queen cells Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:43:29 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:55:42 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news-hub.siol.net!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32772 This is my first post as I am new to the hobby. I just made it through my first honey flow here in North Carolina and have a strong and gentle hive with 2 hive bodies and 4 supers and about 60-70,000 bees. I picked up 2 new empty hives and set them up today to split my existing hive and manufacture new queens for both. From my mentor's directions I placed in each of the 2 new hives a full frame of honey, a full frame of brood (with eggs) and pollen, and a full frame covered with bees (some brood, some pollen, and some honey). I inspect my hive at least avery 10 days and have never encountered any problems or anything unusual. Today upon inspection I noticed no less than 12 queen cells (the first I've ever seen). Most were uncapped but I think I uncapped them by taking supers off of cells that were built "cross-super". I replaced the 6-8 frames I took from the hive with new foundation towards the center of the brood boxes. I left one good queen cell behind, placed one in one new hive, and destroyed the rest. The second new hive is on its on to make a queen. I am unable to find the queen as I don't have enough enough experience to find her easily but at least 2 frames with a good solid lay of eggs seems a fair indication that she's there. Were my bees about to swarm? Why would they build so many queen cells? Any ideas or feedback on what I have done? Article 32773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Michael Vautour" From: "Michael Vautour" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Questions Lines: 123 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226DF.E1C2D5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <2GtW8.27303$Qj4.1537007@weber.videotron.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:30:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.203.20.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1026189054 24.203.20.160 (Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:30:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:30:54 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32773 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226DF.E1C2D5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello; I am a Canadian looking to permanently move to Texas, most likely in the = Arlington area (Dallas/Fort Worth). My parents are both beekeepers in = New Brunswick, Canada and I was planning on getting into the business as = well. I was hoping some of you may be able to help me with a few = questions? I have a couple of questions, most are general, concerning beekeeping in = the Southern portion of the US. 1. What are the requirements of the USDA to be considered a farmer, to = be considered for the taxation benefits etc..? In Canada, if you have 50 = money making hives, which you can prove, you may claim a status of a = farmer therefore benefiting from extra advantages of this = classification. Is there something similar in the US? 2. Are there problems having Africanized bees in regular hives? I know = that they are more predominant along the southern borders of Mexico, but = since I do not know much about them, are they considered dangerous to = have integrated amongst a regular hive? 3. Unlike Canada, your winters in the southern states must be fairly = short. Do you have to do any winterizing preparations for the hives (i.e = wrapping of the hives with tar paper to keep them warm during the = coolest months)? 4. Do any of you have any personal experience using the plastic frames = and supers as compared to the wooden ones? Initial cost would be higher, = but over the long term I am sure that cost savings would be beneficial = to a beekeeper? Are there any true advantages or is it just the new fad? 5. Are there particular areas within Texas that may be more interesting = to develop a new beekeeping business? 6. Are there any other things that I should be careful of when trying to = begin in Texas (i.e. unknown laws or regulations, benefits available, = etc..)?=20 Thank you all for your time, Michael Vautour (future apiarist) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226DF.E1C2D5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello;
 
I am a Canadian looking to permanently move to = Texas,=20 most likely in the Arlington area (Dallas/Fort Worth). My parents are = both=20 beekeepers in New Brunswick, Canada and I was planning on getting into = the=20 business as well. I was hoping some of you may be able to help me with a = few=20 questions?
 
I have a couple of questions, most are general, = concerning=20 beekeeping in the Southern portion of the US.
 
1. What are the requirements of the USDA to be = considered=20 a farmer, to be considered for the taxation benefits etc..? In = Canada, if=20 you have 50 money making hives, which you can prove, you may claim a = status of a=20 farmer therefore benefiting from extra advantages of this = classification. Is=20 there something similar in the US?
2. Are there problems having Africanized bees in = regular=20 hives? I know that they are more predominant = along the=20 southern borders of Mexico, but since I do not know much about them, are = they=20 considered dangerous to have integrated amongst a regular = hive?
3. Unlike Canada, your winters in the southern = states must be=20 fairly short. Do you have to do any winterizing preparations for the = hives (i.e=20 wrapping of the hives with tar paper to keep them warm during the = coolest=20 months)?
4. Do any of you have any personal experience using = the=20 plastic frames and supers as compared to the wooden ones? Initial cost = would be=20 higher, but over the long term I am sure that cost savings would be = beneficial=20 to a beekeeper? Are there any true advantages or is it just the new=20 fad?
5. Are there particular areas within Texas that may = be more=20 interesting to develop a new beekeeping business?
6. Are there any other things that I should be = careful of when=20 trying to begin in Texas (i.e. unknown laws or regulations, benefits = available,=20 etc..)?
 
Thank you all for your time,
 
Michael Vautour
(future apiarist)
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226DF.E1C2D5C0-- Article 32774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:30:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1026199824 209.204.149.236 (Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:30:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:30:24 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:652 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32774 In article , "..." wrote: > If the star thisle grows that readly Id just keep it off your land and let > the bees gather from the neighbors places... Bees will go a long ways to > forage... > > I winder if the star thissle is the same thing as the stinging nettles we > hage growing wild here in Oregon.. seems the hotter the Summer the more you > see of that around.... its a purple flowwer that looks like a pincone shape > with lots of sharp pointed thissles sticking out... I know that herbal > people freeze dry the leaves of the plan and sell it as a alergy remedy.... Nope, Star Thistle isn't (to my knowledge, anyway) any relation to the stinging nettle you're talking about. What you describe sounds more like what's locally called "bull thistle", and I'm more familiar with as "scottish thistle". Star thistle is "spineless", except on the flower-heads. The flowers are dandelion yellow, and very similar in basic structure to a "skinny" dandelion flower, but each one is surrounded by a mass of 1/2 to 3/4 inch long needles that, if you could figure out a way to drill a hole in the end, would probably make perfectly functional sewing needles. Think of the spikes on this beast as "organic straight-pins", and you're not missing the mark by much. If the stuff you're talking about is what *I* think it is, it also makes a not-bad (not exactly gourmet quality, but not particularly bad) salad if you blanch the leaves to take the stiffness out of the spines so it can't "bite back". I've also met folks who cook and serve it like spinach or collard greens. I don't particularly care for it that way, but... Some folks do. I personally think it's too bitter to be used as a standalone cooked veggy, but it adds a nice little "zip" to a regular salad. As far as stinging nettle being used for allergies... I'm not an herbalist. Just hung out with a few here and there. Never heard of that particular use for it. I have heard of it being used to make a tea that's supposed to be good for headaches and cold symptoms, though, so I guess allergy relief isn't too much of a stretch of the imagination :) Near as I can figure out, the only use for the Star Thistle I've got in such abundance around here is bee-graze. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do with drawn comb? Date: 9 Jul 2002 07:40:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.255.122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026225659 9074 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2002 14:40:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2002 14:40:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32775 We just started our first honey harvest, using an extractor. We want to save the drawn comb for next year, but how do we get it cleaned? Should we put the frames back into the super and put the super back on the hive? Or should we lean the frames outside the hive? I am worried that if we leave the frames out of the hive they will attract wasps and ants. But if we put the frames back in the hive won't the bees try to fill them up again? Article 32776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorge Murillo-Yepes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:01:08 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3D1B1122.EBE33C8B@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 39 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32776 In general, the presence or attack (depends of your viewpoint) of wax moths in a hive is a problem of the beekeeper and not of the bee colony. Management is the answer; a hive with a strong colony (<30-40000 bees) will "drag out the moth larvae by the ears" as I think Langstroth himself once said (or some other eminent beekeeping pioneer). Good luck, Jorge "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D1B1122.EBE33C8B@atlas.localdomain... > What is the best method of getting rid of wax moths in a hive to be sure > that they are all disposed of? I know that you can hand pick them if > there are only a few, but what to do when there are many? I had a very > strong, active hive to swarm this spring leaving behind a hive that > developed moths in a very short time. Unfortunately, I had some other > pressing obligations and had checked on the hive only once since the > swarm (which, BTW, flew completely away from sight and was a huge one). > I'm assuming that the new queen either died or was very weak. Just > after the swarming, the new queen was laying eggs and seemed to be fine, > but I've never had a swarm to leave so few bees still in the hive. > > Some people recommend freezing the hive, supers, and frames to kill the > moths, but I don't have a freezer to do this. > > What a mess! I'm as angry with myself as I am the moths! > > Also, are there any preventive measures or treatments to deter moths > from infesting the hive in the first place? > > Thanks. > Louise > > -- > Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of > any > n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to > condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorge Murillo-Yepes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:06:44 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!west.cox.net!cox.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32777 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:654 Yes Charles, it looks normal to me. Do not worry. Congrats for your beautiful supers and hive stand, and for the kind idea (to the bees) of using the pieces of wood to allow ventilation. By the way, the most effective location for those pieces would be under the top cove, creating a perfect chimney effect. Good luck, Jorge "CE" wrote in message news:ec892669.0206261451.6b06d4bf@posting.google.com... > There seem to be a lot of bees clustered at the hive entrance. They > just seem to sit there doing nothing all day. Click on the link below > to see the images I took with my cam. > > Does this look normal given the weather conditions I posted with the > pics? I understand that a really strong honey flow is happening here > in NE Ohio. > > The link is http://users.adelphia.net/~crle/bees/entrance.html > > Thanks, > Charles Article 32778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorge Murillo-Yepes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dancing or digging behavior? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:13:16 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32778 Looks as if what you observed were guard bees alarmed by some strange (to them)scent) or by the presence of a potential invader (ants, roaches, etc.) Normally dancing behaviour is practiced inside the hive, on the combs where the load of the dancing bee is being deposited. Good luck, Jorge "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aer7lq$g3o$1@ins22.netins.net... > I'm a new keeper so I'm not familiar with various bee behaviors. > > This evening I went out to my two hives (told you I'm new) and noticed that > on the bottom board, at the entrance were approximately 20 or so bees doing > the same behavior. All of them were moving around quickly as though they > were looking for something on the floor and they were moving their front > legs rapidly as though they were trying to dig. Both hives were doing this. > Any idea what this behavior is? somebody lose a contact lens? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorge Murillo-Yepes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:16:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32779 Yes. if there are plenty eggs and very young larvae, a normal colony should easily be able to raise a replacement queen. Don't worry too much, but check the progress of the peanut shell shaped queen cells. Good luck, Jorge "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aeibv6$rbf$1@ins22.netins.net... > I have two hives that are somewhat new. I started them from foundation only > from package sets the last of April. Both hives have done well and have > drawn and filled almost all of two deep supers. While I was examining one > hive and wasn't able to locate the queen. These queens were marked with a > blue dot so they are usually easy to spot. I looked quite a bit and never > could find her. I then decided today (Sunday) to look again to ease my mind. > After a thorough search I discovered her dead body in the lower super > (actually on top of the lower super.) I removed her body to bring back to > study. I can't see any obvious reason for her death. The hive itself > seems to have a lot of brood. Several frames worth. Will they be able to > generate a queen for themselves at this point? I debated ordering a new > queen but that will take a week (if I can even get one now) and I understand > they can create a queen in 14 days. Should I let them to make a queen > themselves? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorge Murillo-Yepes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:09:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32780 Good idea. And, bu the way, you could kill two birds with the same stone adding a few grains of salt to the water, medication, menthol, etc. In general, remember that if the bees need water they will look of it wherever it is, regardless of its "presentation". Good luck, Jorge "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Where I live > (southwestern Missouri in United States) we often get a dry period during > the summer that last approximately two months. This occurs after the rainy > season which also lasts a couple of months. I am debating using the feeder > jars and giving the bees water during that period. Is this a sensible > thing to do or am I causing any problems? It seems like a good idea since > it will provide them with water regardless of the conditions. The source > will be very close, easy to get to and will not have mosquitoes or other > issues from an open water source. Good idea or bad idea? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > > Article 32781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with drawn comb? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:05:27 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1000.charmeleon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1026245184 7533 217.135.82.232 (9 Jul 2002 20:06:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2002 20:06:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32781 "Ilaine" wrote in message news:e58ff1f9.0207090640.14fe9c36@posting.google.com... > We just started our first honey harvest, using an extractor. We want > to save the drawn comb for next year, but how do we get it cleaned? > > Should we put the frames back into the super and put the super back on > the hive? Yes Or should we lean the frames outside the hive? Definitely NOT - this is a wonderful way to spread disease and start robbing. > > I am worried that if we leave the frames out of the hive they will > attract wasps and ants. But if we put the frames back in the hive > won't the bees try to fill them up again? I thought that was the whole idea! Article 32782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with drawn comb? Date: 9 Jul 2002 13:37:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0207091237.5c6dff9c@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026247065 23091 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2002 20:37:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2002 20:37:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32782 You're right about the bees trying to fill them up if you put them back on the hive. I put the frames back in the super and set it a little ways from the hive. (20 or so feet.) The bees will clean it out before the ants have much of a chance of finding it. Once cleaned out, store it in a dry place. Put it in a trash bag if you like. Nuc. msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) wrote in message news:... > We just started our first honey harvest, using an extractor. We want > to save the drawn comb for next year, but how do we get it cleaned? > > Should we put the frames back into the super and put the super back on > the hive? Or should we lean the frames outside the hive? > > I am worried that if we leave the frames out of the hive they will > attract wasps and ants. But if we put the frames back in the hive > won't the bees try to fill them up again? Article 32783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: My experiment seems to be working... Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:39:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1026247165 209.204.149.202 (Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:39:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:39:25 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32783 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:186402 The other day I discussed my "cram some comb into the groove and see what happens" plot... Today, I went through the hive, and it's working WONDERFULLY. The frame I stuck the segment of comb into (a chunk with about 3 square inches of surface area, probably even less than that) is almost completely filled with drawn comb (all but the bottom 3/8 inch or so - Looks like they have no intention of filling the last little bit - it's a regular bee superhighway) and about a third of it is filled with honey. That's the good news. The bad (Uh... well, not really *BAD*, just not what I hoped for) news is that the rest of it is stuffed with brood! I wanted them to stuff it ALL with honey and keep raising brood on the plastic foundation! Oh well... so much for *THAT* plan! More bees means more honey later, right? :) Guess there's my silver lining in the black cloud. Not that the cloud was particularly dark to begin with... In our "further developments" department... When I put the second box on last week, I alternated plastic foundation, totally empty frame (as in no foundation, no wires, no anything, just bare wood), plastic foundation, totally empty frame, etc, all the way across the box, wth a single frame of brood/pollen/honey pulled from the position now occupied by the "experiment frame". That frame of brood went in the center of the box between two empty frames to serve as "bait" to pull some workers up topside. What's happening? The totally empty frames on either side of the frame of brood are both well on the way to being completely full of drawn comb filled with brood, and some honey and pollen here and there. The plastics next to them are getting SOME comb drawn, but nowhere near the way the empty frames got treated. The next pair of empty frames are also in the process of being drawn. Picky bees, I guess :) Looks like having the "empties" sandwiched between plastics is encouraging them to draw nice straight comb, too. Another bonus. I was worried that if I put three empty frames next to each other, they'd go "wild comb" on me, and just make a mess, so I figured I'd alternate them. Looks like that was the right choice. So overall, I'd say my experiment last week was/is a success. Hooray! :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nectar production Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:02:37 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 18 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32784 Can anyone point me towards a reference which would give me information on temperatures required for nectar production to begin on various nectar sources? I am particularly interested in blackberry(, Dutch and red clovers, as well as fruit trees. In the Pacific Northwest we have plants blooming, but I suspect that until the temps get in the 70s (not too common until > June 15) no nectar is being produced for forage. Anyone have any idea where I could find such information? I am also interested in bloom durations of nectar sources, as well as how various factors of weather conditions affect bloom duration as well as nectar production. Thanks for any help, Tom Monroe, WA Article 32785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting a hive...lots of queen cells Date: 9 Jul 2002 14:09:06 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0207091309.545efed6@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026248946 24258 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2002 21:09:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2002 21:09:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32785 It sounds like the queen cells were in the original hive? If that's the case, it's always possible that they are trying to swarm, but there are other possibilities. It could be that because of the manipulations in making the splits, the bees have decided to supercede the queen. I was also wondering if you had accidentally moved the queen to one of the splits, but you mention later on that there are eggs in the hive. (Of course, nothing beats finding the queen. After removing so many frames this should be a bit easier.) Moving a queen cell into a new split is a good way to get the split queenright, and is faster than letting them make their own. It sounds like you did that with one of your splits. You may just have to wait and see, but frequent inspections of the original hive and the splits may be good for awhile. Nuc. "Randy" wrote in message news:... > This is my first post as I am new to the hobby. I just made it through my > first honey flow here in North Carolina and have a strong and gentle hive > with 2 hive bodies and 4 supers and about 60-70,000 bees. I picked up 2 new > empty hives and set them up today to split my existing hive and manufacture > new queens for both. From my mentor's directions I placed in each of the 2 > new hives a full frame of honey, a full frame of brood (with eggs) and > pollen, and a full frame covered with bees (some brood, some pollen, and > some honey). I inspect my hive at least avery 10 days and have never > encountered any problems or anything unusual. Today upon inspection I > noticed no less than 12 queen cells (the first I've ever seen). Most were > uncapped but I think I uncapped them by taking supers off of cells that were > built "cross-super". I replaced the 6-8 frames I took from the hive with > new foundation towards the center of the brood boxes. I left one good queen > cell behind, placed one in one new hive, and destroyed the rest. The second > new hive is on its on to make a queen. I am unable to find the queen as I > don't have enough enough experience to find her easily but at least 2 frames > with a good solid lay of eggs seems a fair indication that she's there. > > Were my bees about to swarm? Why would they build so many queen cells? Any > ideas or feedback on what I have done? Article 32786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with drawn comb? Date: 9 Jul 2002 14:58:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0207091358.5a02cc6f@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.123.27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026251928 25943 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2002 21:58:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2002 21:58:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32786 msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) wrote in message news:... > We just started our first honey harvest, using an extractor. We want > to save the drawn comb for next year, but how do we get it cleaned? > > Should we put the frames back into the super and put the super back on > the hive? Or should we lean the frames outside the hive? > > I am worried that if we leave the frames out of the hive they will > attract wasps and ants. But if we put the frames back in the hive > won't the bees try to fill them up again? Put the wet combs back on the hive and if the bees fill them up then leave them on as stores. Or you could store them wet (this discourages wax moth) but in a bee proof place. I always put mine back on, the bees mostly just clean them up if there is not a honey flow on. Article 32787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A bird thieving story Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:03:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3d2b5d55.612039502@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32787 Usually we here about bees robbing hummingbird feeders, etc. but these birds take the cake! http://www.utahbirds.org/BirdStory.htm beekeep Article 32788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: Re: My experiment seems to be working... Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:33:13 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-638.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32788 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:186413 In article <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net>, Don Bruder wrote: > The other day I discussed my "cram some comb into the groove and see > what happens" plot... Uh, you're using a Macintosh for a bee hive? Hey, if it works... -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? Article 32789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What to do with drawn comb? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:31:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1026268264 12.81.126.114 (Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:31:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:31:04 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32789 Assuming you want them cleaned out for storage, put them back on above an inner cover and an empty (frameless) super. They will clean them out and bring the honey below the inner cover for stores. You can leave them there all winter depending on where you live. Storing wet is also a possibility, but make certain rodents can't get to the wax. Where are you located that the honey flow is over? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Ilaine" wrote in message news:e58ff1f9.0207090640.14fe9c36@posting.google.com... > We just started our first honey harvest, using an extractor. We want > to save the drawn comb for next year, but how do we get it cleaned? > > Should we put the frames back into the super and put the super back on > the hive? Or should we lean the frames outside the hive? > > I am worried that if we leave the frames out of the hive they will > attract wasps and ants. But if we put the frames back in the hive > won't the bees try to fill them up again? Article 32790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: 9 Jul 2002 20:42:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.255.122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026272557 5303 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2002 03:42:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2002 03:42:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32790 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:657 You really did a nice job on the wood. Very attractive. My bees do the same thing, and have been doing it ever since we got hot summer weather. To me, they look like they are just sitting on the porch, catching the breeze.;^) Article 32791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "_Jung" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:38:47 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32791 There is a bee hive about the size of a golf ball (maybe a little bigger) on the deck in my back yard. First I didn't mind having this mini bee hive on my deck (it is.. well, was actually cute), and actually enjoyed watching a few bees keeping themselves busy doing whatever they were doing which I didn't really have a very clear idea about what (I admit I don't know much about bees) from time to time, mostly when I go out there to smoke. However, now about a month passed by since I learned of its existence, the hive grew bigger - about twice bigger now. Also, I used to see only 2-5 bees hanging around there, but now the number of bees also seems to have grown. One time, I counted up to 15 bees! Now I am freaked. What if this hive keeps growing and becomes as big as a baseball, and a football, then a basketball? Man, just imagining it gives me a chill. Also, since I live in a townhouse where I get to share the back yard with my next door neighbours, I'm also a little concerned about possibility of them having a painful encounter with the bees and me being responsible for it. I thought about killing them all - like covering the hive with a bucket (the hive is sitting on the floor of the deck) and spraying a whole can of bug spray into a small hole in the bucket. But then again, that would be too inhumane. What should I do? If anybody wants to take this hive (along with the bees), I will happily donate it to him/her (although it isn't really mine). Thank you for your advice in advance. _Jung Article 32792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "..." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Nectar production Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:52:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.19.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026291151 216.26.19.176 (Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:52:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:52:31 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32792 Let me know what you find out if it isn't posted here... I am just south of you... I got a book from Glory Bee In Eugene Oregon called " Nectar and pollen Plants of Oregon and the Pacific Northwest" by DM Burgett, BA Stringer and LD Johnston It has alot of good information.. althought it is in B&W witch makes plant Id'ing a bit harder.... but never the less has alot of good information in it.... Brian "Tom S" wrote in message news:uimjls3mu6564a@corp.supernews.com... > Can anyone point me towards a reference which would give me information on > temperatures required for nectar production to begin on various nectar > sources? I am particularly interested in blackberry(, Dutch and red > clovers, as well as fruit trees. In the Pacific Northwest we have plants > blooming, but I suspect that until the temps get in the 70s (not too common > until > June 15) no nectar is being produced for forage. > > Anyone have any idea where I could find such information? I am also > interested in bloom durations of nectar sources, as well as how various > factors of weather conditions affect bloom duration as well as nectar > production. > > Thanks for any help, > > Tom > Monroe, WA > > > Article 32793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nectar production Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:16:18 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.181 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32793 Hi: You may wish to reference the following: Crop Pollination by Bees, Keith S. Delaplane and Daniel F. Mayer (2000) and/or Insect Pollination of Crops 2nd edition, John B. Free (1993) . You could try contacting Dr. Mayer at : OAREC Washington State University 24106 N. Bunn Road Prosser, WA 99350 Work Phone: (509) 786-2226 Work FAX: (509) 786-9370 E-Mail: mayerd@wsu.edu Article 32794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Randall C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey flow time Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%5WW8.875$p07.40782@sooner.brightok.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:53:46 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.136.112 X-Trace: sooner.brightok.net 1026305531 205.240.136.112 (Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:52:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:52:11 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32794 Hi! Can anyone tell me the beginning and ending time of Honey flow for Northeast Oklahoma. Article 32795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Jul 2002 14:32:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Message-ID: <20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32795 Sounds like you have wasps. Article 32796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "_Jung" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:41:39 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32796 ? Could you kindly elaborate on this? Thank you. _Jung "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com... > Sounds like you have wasps. > Article 32797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:14:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1026324893 209.204.149.238 (Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:14:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:14:53 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.kjsl.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32797 In article , "_Jung" wrote: > ? > > Could you kindly elaborate on this? They aren't bees. They're wasps. There's a major difference. You don't have a hive on your deck, you've got a nest. Nobody is going to want to come get them, because they are worthless. Nuke 'em and be done with 'em. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "..." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Melter Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:27:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026336456 216.26.16.159 (Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:27:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:27:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32798 I built a solar melter from the plans on a web site I saw posted here some time ago... and I took a bunch of dark brown comb from some of my supers frames and replaced it with new foundation in the frames and put the frames back.. 1> The bees are not touching the foundation just filling all the drawn comb..... 2> I put the dark brown comb in hte solar melter and some of it melted down into a pale witesh goo and alot of it is still in comb form not melted.... the white goo stuff turns back to dark brown at night..... none of it will flow into the bottom pan... Brian Article 32799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Melter Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:54:21 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1110.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1026338109 5096 62.25.227.86 (10 Jul 2002 21:55:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2002 21:55:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32799 1 They will only draw foundation out when there is a good flow and there is no drawn comb available to them. 2 Some things to try. Melter not getting hot enough - either insufficient sunshine (clouds stop it working), poor construction (not enough insulation, not double glazed, glass dirty), or incorrect orientation (needs to be angled so that the sunlight strikes the glass vertically during the hottest part of the day). -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "..." wrote in message news:cF1X8.4346$Kx3.3788@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I built a solar melter from the plans on a web site I saw posted here some > time ago... and I took a bunch of dark brown comb from some of my supers > frames and replaced it with new foundation in the frames and put the frames > back.. > > 1> The bees are not touching the foundation just filling all the drawn > comb..... > > 2> I put the dark brown comb in hte solar melter and some of it melted down > into a pale witesh goo and alot of it is still in comb form not melted.... > the white goo stuff turns back to dark brown at night..... none of it will > flow into the bottom pan... > > Brian > > > > > Article 32800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Jul 2002 22:58:08 GMT References: <700de225.0207081228.351109fb@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Message-ID: <20020710185808.06272.00002680@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32800 Thanks for all replies so far. It seems from people's advice that to do a proper job would involve a cherry picker to give access to cut out the comb from the top in conjunction with a bee vac and final chimney sweep. Quite a daunting task. On the other hand, killing them (or weakening them enough to die out) has its attractions. If we do that, will the honey and comb be robbed out to the extent that a normal chimney sweep will finish the job to be safe next time a fire is lit ?? Any more advice please. I suppose I should also contact my local beekeepers club for local expertise and resources. My membership expired some years ago, together with my bees from varoa. John Article 32801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with drawn comb? Date: 10 Jul 2002 19:32:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.255.122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026354737 18637 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2002 02:32:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2002 02:32:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32801 "George Styer" wrote in message news:... > Where are you located that the honey flow is over? Hi George - we are in Northern Virginia (DC suburbs, outside the Beltway). Only been keeping bees since April, but as I understand it, the main sources of nectar here are honey locust, and tulip poplar, both of which bloom in late spring. We have a lot of honey locus trees on our lot, and they were, indeed, very full of bees in May and June. We also have a lot of holly trees and some boxwood, which were also full of bees in May and June. Right now the clover is blooming. We live in the suburbs, but don't really go for the suburban "thing" so we sowed white clover all over our lawn but it's mostly full of bumble bees. I have petunias, begonias, and vinca, but the bees could care less. I am told that we have a nectar dearth here this time of year, especially with the drought, so we are feeding 1:1 sugar water. My favorite honey is the dark fall wildflower honey, hope we can take a little bit this fall and make up for it with sugar water. Article 32802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "_Jung" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:20:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32802 So... they are not bees? Does that mean they don't collect honey nor sting intruders like bees do? Hmm... if they are not going to sting, maybe I can just let them live there. By the way, just my curiosity, how were you guys able to tell they are wasps, not bees? What was the key among the information I have provided? Oh, thank you very much for your Responses. I really appreciated them. _Jung "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:xQ_W8.35$Ai.278@typhoon.sonic.net... > In article , > "_Jung" wrote: > > > They aren't bees. They're wasps. There's a major difference. You don't > have a hive on your deck, you've got a nest. Nobody is going to want to > come get them, because they are worthless. Nuke 'em and be done with > 'em. > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <20020710103245.18345.00003112@mb-bg.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-6-3.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1026377674 13097 213.122.6.3 (11 Jul 2002 08:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:54:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32803 Wasps do sting. as well. Honeybees build their nests in combs of wax in a hanging position. > From: "_Jung" > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:20:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck > > > So... they are not bees? Does that mean they don't collect honey nor sting > intruders like bees do? > > Hmm... if they are not going to sting, maybe I can just let them live there. > > By the way, just my curiosity, how were you guys able to tell they are > wasps, not bees? What was the key among the information I have provided? > > Oh, thank you very much for your Responses. I really appreciated them. > > _Jung > > > "Don Bruder" wrote in message > news:xQ_W8.35$Ai.278@typhoon.sonic.net... >> In article , >> "_Jung" wrote: >> >> >> They aren't bees. They're wasps. There's a major difference. You don't >> have a hive on your deck, you've got a nest. Nobody is going to want to >> come get them, because they are worthless. Nuke 'em and be done with >> 'em. >> >> -- >> Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged >> I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart >> Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses > are >> now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > > Article 32804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Eric Ryder" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worker Bee Communication Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:44:35 -0400 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bnh-2-24.mv.com X-Trace: pyrite.mv.net 1026394820 766 199.125.99.88 (11 Jul 2002 13:40:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mv.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2002 13:40:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.mv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32804 I'm in my first year as a hobby beekeeper and I have a question about worker bees and queen cell building. If you have a large hive and the worker bees are going to swarm, how do they all know who is going to build the queen cells? There are so many bees and yet they will build in one place. How do they get to that point? I would think that worker bees would react and start building queen cells in several locations in the hive, yet obviously there must be some communication that keeps the bees from starting queen cells in different locations at the same time. Is there a dominant worker bee who can somehow communicate what needs to be done and where? The same question applies to supercedure as well. Thanks for any info. Laura in New Hampshire Article 32805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Jul 2002 13:46:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Message-ID: <20020711094627.01613.00000003@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32805 The type of nest you describe is a wasps. These wasps live in a colony and become more defensive or aggressive as the colony size increases. You can get quite badly stung if you disturb them. The benefit they provide is in keeping insect pests such as flies and caterpillars under control and they also provide some pollination. They are not likely to sting unprovoked but if they are right on your doorstep opening and closing the door might provoke them. And if they are yellow jackets come fall they will be crazed for sweets and pester you for your soda or catsup. Whether you decide to live with them ore destroy them is a judgement call. I tend to destroy any easily reached colonies of yellow jackets with wahtever is handy. A can of wasp and hornet spray is around 3$ us. Read and follow the directions. Article 32806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Empty Box (Aussie) Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:15:48 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.106 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1026418033 144.134.81.106 (Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:07:13 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:07:13 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32806 G,day folks, I removed frames of honey and replaced them with light coloured drawn out frames in the brood boxes. There are drones and I also noticed small queen cells at the bottom of some frames. There was still plenty of room. The bees are still working on the tee tree. Do you think they could swarm in mid winter? (2) I have a 3 box hive, 2 brood 1 honey, that I inspected about six weeks ago, there was not sufficient honey to remove for extraction. Yesterday I inspected that hive to see if it required replacing frames. The bees looked the same but when I removed the frames from the bottom box, there was absolutely nothing. The frames were intact with combs, very dark, but no honey, brood just bees. There was still the same amount of honey it the top as six weeks ago. About three frames of brood in the second box, the rest uncapped honey. Could the bees have been robbed? If so why was honey still in the top box? I have removed the empty box making it a two box hive. I would appreciate any thought on this please. Malcolm Queensland Australia Article 32807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jul 2002 01:31:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Message-ID: <20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32807 Trying to settle an arguement here between a friend and I. When my dad was keeping bees, I thought he said a deep super (9 5/8) would hold about 90 pounds of honey and a medium (6 5/8) would hold 60 pounds. My friend swears that its 60 pounds for the deep and 35 pounds for the medium roughly. Can someone on this list end the arguement? Article 32808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "_Jung" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:07:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020711094627.01613.00000003@mb-co.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 68 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!nntp!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32808 Thank all of you so much for kind reply posts (including one e-mail reply). I learned so much. I've never seen a yellow jacket in my youth (probably because I was raised in a country where no yellow jackets live?), and didn't know there was such thing. Anyway, I decided to nuke them last night after reading your replies. I walked out to my deck with a can of bug spray, a can of Raid For Flying Insects to be more specific. There actually was instructions on how to kill wasps on the can (says to spray it directly on wasps). I've seen the nest at night time before, and I remembered they are quite inactive sitting on their nest together at night. So, I was confident I could handle them, but I have to admit I was a bit nervous.... You know, who likes being stung by a bee or wasp after all? However, much to my surprise, as I approached to the nest, or where it used to be, I found that it was gone! Wow.. how? .... There have been some contractors working outside past few days, resealing and repainting door and window seems of this building. The other day when I had a chance to chat with them (when I went out to smoke), I told them about the bee hive (I didn't know it was rather a wasp nest yet) and to watch out. I guess they kindly decided to get rid of them for me (or for their own sake) later. Since I was all pumped up in anticipation of a night time adventure, I was a bit disappointed that they were all gone already. Well, I don't think I should complain though. Thanks again for you help. _Jung "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020711094627.01613.00000003@mb-co.aol.com... > The type of nest you describe is a wasps. These wasps live in a colony and > become more defensive or aggressive as the colony size increases. You can get > quite badly stung if you disturb them. The benefit they provide is in keeping > insect pests such as flies and caterpillars under control and they also provide > some pollination. > They are not likely to sting unprovoked but if they are right on your doorstep > opening and closing the door might provoke them. And if they are yellow jackets > come fall they will be crazed for sweets and pester you for your soda or > catsup. > Whether you decide to live with them ore destroy them is a judgement call. I > tend to destroy any easily reached colonies of yellow jackets with wahtever is > handy. A can of wasp and hornet spray is around 3$ us. Read and follow the > directions. > > > > > > Article 32809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: b.keeper@ntlworld.com (b.keeper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Introduction Date: 12 Jul 2002 05:09:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3920c381.0207120409.62dabd12@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.128.170.146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026475774 22126 127.0.0.1 (12 Jul 2002 12:09:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2002 12:09:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32809 I introduced 10 mated queens into nucs exactly a week ago. 8 of those 10 appear to have been accepted and have laid eggs. The remaining 2 nucs appear to be queenless (i.e. I have been unable to find the queen or eggs). As a test for queenlessness, I have inserted a frame of eggs from another colony. If they are queenless, I expect to find queen cells on these frames when I next inspect them. My question is: Why would these two nucs reject the queens when the other eight accepted them? My technique was exactly the same in all cases: 1. Construct nucs at least 24 hours before introduction was attempted. 2. Nuc consisted of two frames of brood in all stages and two frames of food (pollen and honey). 3. Although the main nectar flow is finished, there is still sufficient new nectar coming in to find open cells of honey/nectar which the bees are working on, so I did not feed any of the nucs with syrup. 4. Although it is normally recommended to take the nucs to another apiary to minimise loss of flying bees, it started to rain quite heavily so I left them where they were. 5. Immediately prior to introduction of the mated queen, I went around all nucs and destroyed the queen cells which the nucs had begun constructing. 6. The workers that accompanied the queen in her transportation/introduction cage were removed well away from the nucs so that they could not accompany her into the nuc and the queen was introduced (in her "puzzle" cage) between the two frames of brood. 7. I revisited the apiary 2 days later to remove the puzzle cage and close up the frames. In all cases, the fondant had been eaten away and the queen released from the cage. 8. 6 days after introduction, I verified that 8/10 queens were present and laying well. Some depopulation of the nucs had occurred as the flying bees returned to the parent hive but all of the nucs still had suffiecient bees tending the remaining brood for the queen to be cared for too. Does anyone have any ideas why these two nucs should behave differently? Article 32810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Melter Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:14:52 -0400 Lines: 64 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026479699 24298439 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32810 So, to fix #1, feed a 1:1 sugar syrup, to simulate a nectar flow. For #2, did you paint the box black (to help it heat up)? One layer of glass or two? Is it angled off the ground towards the sun and in full sun all day? Since you appear to be in the UK, it may take a few days to get one clear and warm enough to heat up the wax. When you do, it will probably be a brownish color (not all that slum gum will come out) and the mess of "comb" will be left (it is old cocoons). You can remelt the wax and strain using a double boiler (but make sure it is one dedicated to the task), dipping off any additional scrud that melts out then. Of course, if you treat the brood box with any chemicals (for mites, etc...), you should just burn what you cut out of the frames (and not indoors), as there is little use for contaminated wax. "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:agiaft$4v8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > 1 They will only draw foundation out when there is a good flow and there is > no drawn comb available to them. > 2 Some things to try. Melter not getting hot enough - either insufficient > sunshine (clouds stop it working), poor construction (not enough insulation, > not double glazed, glass dirty), or incorrect orientation (needs to be > angled so that the sunlight strikes the glass vertically during the hottest > part of the day). > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > "..." wrote in message > news:cF1X8.4346$Kx3.3788@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > I built a solar melter from the plans on a web site I saw posted here some > > time ago... and I took a bunch of dark brown comb from some of my supers > > frames and replaced it with new foundation in the frames and put the > frames > > back.. > > > > 1> The bees are not touching the foundation just filling all the drawn > > comb..... > > > > 2> I put the dark brown comb in hte solar melter and some of it melted > down > > into a pale witesh goo and alot of it is still in comb form not melted.... > > the white goo stuff turns back to dark brown at night..... none of it will > > flow into the bottom pan... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Empty Box (Aussie) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:17:36 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026479858 24271794 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32811 Put the empty box back on the hive, above the brood nest. This gives them room to expand (bees don't like to move down in winter) and may calm the swarming urge. "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:RzlX8.33183$Hj3.99535@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G,day folks, > I removed frames of honey and replaced them with light coloured drawn out > frames in the brood boxes. There are drones and I also noticed small queen > cells at the bottom of some frames. There was still plenty of room. The > bees are still working on the tee tree. Do you think they could swarm in mid > winter? > (2) > I have a 3 box hive, 2 brood 1 honey, that I inspected about six weeks ago, > there was not sufficient honey to remove for extraction. Yesterday I > inspected that hive to see if it required replacing frames. The bees looked > the same but when I removed the frames from the bottom box, there was > absolutely nothing. The frames were intact with combs, very dark, but no > honey, brood just bees. There was still the same amount of honey it the top > as six weeks ago. About three frames of brood in the second box, the rest > uncapped honey. Could the bees have been robbed? If so why was honey still > in the top box? I have removed the empty box making it a two box hive. > I would appreciate any thought on this please. > Malcolm Queensland Australia > > Article 32812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jul 2002 13:46:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What to do with a bee hive on my back yard deck Message-ID: <20020712094646.02089.00000007@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32812 Painters would either just paint the wasps nest or toss a splash of paint thinner on it. Occasionally they have a can of wasp spray in their kit. Skunks would tear it apart and eat the brood. You would see remnants scattered about. Article 32813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Introduction Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:01:17 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3920c381.0207120409.62dabd12@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0350.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026482384 28593 195.159.53.94 (12 Jul 2002 13:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:59:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32813 I'm actually surprised that so many as 8 of the 10 were accepted. Introducing queens the way you describe is not a good one. Providing a queenless hive with eggs and larvaes will make the bees' minds set on fostering up a new queen. The first new queen is supposed to "b.keeper" skrev i melding news:3920c381.0207120409.62dabd12@posting.google.com... > I introduced 10 mated queens into nucs exactly a week ago. 8 of those > 10 appear to have been accepted and have laid eggs. The remaining 2 > nucs appear to be queenless (i.e. I have been unable to find the queen > or eggs). As a test for queenlessness, I have inserted a frame of eggs > from another colony. If they are queenless, I expect to find queen > cells on these frames when I next inspect them. > > My question is: Why would these two nucs reject the queens when the > other eight accepted them? My technique was exactly the same in all > cases: > > 1. Construct nucs at least 24 hours before introduction was attempted. > 2. Nuc consisted of two frames of brood in all stages and two frames > of food (pollen and honey). > 3. Although the main nectar flow is finished, there is still > sufficient new nectar coming in to find open cells of honey/nectar > which the bees are working on, so I did not feed any of the nucs with > syrup. > 4. Although it is normally recommended to take the nucs to another > apiary to minimise loss of flying bees, it started to rain quite > heavily so I left them where they were. > 5. Immediately prior to introduction of the mated queen, I went around > all nucs and destroyed the queen cells which the nucs had begun > constructing. > 6. The workers that accompanied the queen in her > transportation/introduction cage were removed well away from the nucs > so that they could not accompany her into the nuc and the queen was > introduced (in her "puzzle" cage) between the two frames of brood. > 7. I revisited the apiary 2 days later to remove the puzzle cage and > close up the frames. In all cases, the fondant had been eaten away and > the queen released from the cage. > 8. 6 days after introduction, I verified that 8/10 queens were present > and laying well. Some depopulation of the nucs had occurred as the > flying bees returned to the parent hive but all of the nucs still had > suffiecient bees tending the remaining brood for the queen to be cared > for too. > > Does anyone have any ideas why these two nucs should behave > differently? Article 32814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Introduction Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:05:28 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3920c381.0207120409.62dabd12@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0350.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026482610 28621 195.159.53.94 (12 Jul 2002 14:03:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32814 I'm actually surprised that so many as 8 of the 10 were accepted. Introducing queens the way you describe is not a good one. Providing a queenless hive with eggs and larvaes will make the bees' minds set on fostering up a new queen. The first new queen is supposed to show up 13-14 days later. Consequently, the bees will often not expect the one you introduce earlier, it will rather be treated as an intruder and usually killed or mistreated. If you have to introduce new queens this way, you should make sure that there are no eggs or larvaes in the frames. "b.keeper" skrev i melding news:3920c381.0207120409.62dabd12@posting.google.com... > I introduced 10 mated queens into nucs exactly a week ago. 8 of those > 10 appear to have been accepted and have laid eggs. The remaining 2 > nucs appear to be queenless (i.e. I have been unable to find the queen > or eggs). As a test for queenlessness, I have inserted a frame of eggs > from another colony. If they are queenless, I expect to find queen > cells on these frames when I next inspect them. > > My question is: Why would these two nucs reject the queens when the > other eight accepted them? My technique was exactly the same in all > cases: > > 1. Construct nucs at least 24 hours before introduction was attempted. > 2. Nuc consisted of two frames of brood in all stages and two frames > of food (pollen and honey). > 3. Although the main nectar flow is finished, there is still > sufficient new nectar coming in to find open cells of honey/nectar > which the bees are working on, so I did not feed any of the nucs with > syrup. > 4. Although it is normally recommended to take the nucs to another > apiary to minimise loss of flying bees, it started to rain quite > heavily so I left them where they were. > 5. Immediately prior to introduction of the mated queen, I went around > all nucs and destroyed the queen cells which the nucs had begun > constructing. > 6. The workers that accompanied the queen in her > transportation/introduction cage were removed well away from the nucs > so that they could not accompany her into the nuc and the queen was > introduced (in her "puzzle" cage) between the two frames of brood. > 7. I revisited the apiary 2 days later to remove the puzzle cage and > close up the frames. In all cases, the fondant had been eaten away and > the queen released from the cage. > 8. 6 days after introduction, I verified that 8/10 queens were present > and laying well. Some depopulation of the nucs had occurred as the > flying bees returned to the parent hive but all of the nucs still had > suffiecient bees tending the remaining brood for the queen to be cared > for too. > > Does anyone have any ideas why these two nucs should behave > differently? Article 32815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pictures? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:14:56 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0350.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026483178 28786 195.159.53.94 (12 Jul 2002 14:12:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:12:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:12:58 MET DST (news01.chello.no) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news01.chello.se!news01.chello.no!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32815 Hi guys... I'm working on a web site that will have tutorials concerning beekeeping. However, my camera doesn't allow me to take very close pictures. Therefore, could somebody help me out with some very close pictures of the queen, the worker and the drone? What about the exchange of photographs in general? Johan Article 32816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com> Subject: Re: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6ICX8.163515$Uu2.36965@sccrnsc03> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1026488194 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:36:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:36:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:36:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32816 "WSkriba" wrote in message news:20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com... > Trying to settle an arguement here between a friend and I. When my dad was > keeping bees, I thought he said a deep super (9 5/8) would hold about 90 pounds > of honey and a medium (6 5/8) would hold 60 pounds. My friend swears that its > 60 pounds for the deep and 35 pounds for the medium roughly. Can someone on > this list end the arguement? Your friend is right. Article 32817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: A bright idea. Or maybe a hare-brained scheme? Lines: 100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:19:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1026505172 12.86.120.225 (Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:19:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:19:32 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:674 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32817 > I propose to take chips and chunks of the "crazy-comb" that my swarm > started making (and which I've pulled out as it forms, saving the chunks > when they're anything more than an inch or so in size) and... Well, for > lack of better wording "cram them into place" in the top groove of an > otherwise empty frame. Sort of a "starting place' for the bees to build > out the rest of the way. That'll accomplish two things for me, as I see > it: This is essentially what Top Bar hives are.... A top bar, and wax anchored onto it to provide the bees with material and guide of proper place to drawn comb. > > 1) It'll give me some "eating honey" (I'm interested strictly in "in the > comb" honey - I've got no interest whatsoever in the headaches of > extracting, filtering, bottling, etc. etc. etc) They won't form the comb in perfect rectangular patterns as they would with foundation I think. They may also start anchoring it to the sides of the hive since no foundation is provided... or to other frames, thus making inspection harder. > > 2) It'll give me (eventually) Drawn frames to do whatever I feel like > doing with them, whether that "whatever" happens to be carving the whole > mass loose from the frame and serving it on toast, scratching the tops > off and letting the bees move it someplace else to give me clean, empty > comb, melting it down for candles, or... ANYTHING! That's the > whole point! :) The drawn frames will be very fragile and easy to destroy. But extraction is alot easier... > > So, what I'm trying to figure out here is this: > Is the idea viable for a one-hive, purely hobby-level, minimal > money-investment-mandatory, rookie with almost all second-hand gear? This Top Bar idea is actually used in undeveloped countries from what I have been reading for it is easier to make the hives and doesn't require as expensive items/etc... > > Is it even likely to succeed? Yes, you will have more wax, less honey though. > > What about brood? There have been a few (I've avoided them as much as > possible except in the case of the absolute worst "offenses") sections > of comb that have had small numbers of eggs and/or larvae in them (by > small numbers, I mean 4, 5, 6, one had 9 cells worth - no, I'm not > putting dead brood back into the box) when I've gotten them trimmed off. > Would the bees be likely to be more interested in doing something with > those segments than honey or pollen segments? They will simply remove the dead brood and clean the frame up and start fresh from what I understand :) > > What about a better way of anchoring the chunks? My method for the first > attempt yesterday was to simply flatten the comb enough to fit into the > top groove, then mash it into place, and wedge with a little roll of wax > formed by squishing another small piece of comb and rolling it into a > cylinder. Much simpler way... take a strip of wax the length of the top bar, and anchor it to the topbar using monofiliment line (fishing line). > > Also, what about placement? The frame I did this with was one of the > Duragilt-loaded ones that's been sitting in the hive (untouched by the > bees) since I first dumped the swarm in. It was down at one end of the > "stack" of frames, so that's probably at least part of it, but even so, > it got your basic near zero bee-traffic on it. Even the plasticell > frames that they aren't drawing have got a few bees on them, wandering > around, cleaning up, laying propolis in the gaps where the frame doesn't > quite touch the plastic, etc. I figured I'd get "wild-n-crazy", and put > the "starter" frame right in the center of the brood-ball, in hopes of > encouraging rapid building (if there's going to be any at all, that is - > still have to wait and see on that score) Should I have done that, or > have I likely done a bad thing? Probaby end up in them creating lots of rogue comb between the large gap. I may be totally wrong in all I said above, for I am new to this also... just going by what I have learned so far. > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:27:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1026505627 12.86.120.225 (Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:27:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:27:07 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:675 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32818 Read somewhere that you can use "liquid smoke" if you come across robbing in action. They say it will stop it imidiately and you are then able to take defensive measures... "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:UDuU8.29$OQ6.92@typhoon.sonic.net... > > > AUGH!!!! > Just when things were looking to be going so smoothly, it looks like > I've come home from work to find trouble in paradise. (OK, slightly > south and east of Paradise... OK, never mind the geography pun...) > > It would appear that my poor little hive of bees is under attack. When I > got home, there was a frenzy at the entrance, visible (and audible) from > about 15-20 yards away, with a battle-royale going on that makes old > "WCW extreme" matches look tame. There are dozens, possibly hundreds, of > dead bees scattered around the "front porch" area of the hive. > (Obviously, I've got no certain way to tell if they're the corpses of > "my" troops, or intruders that have been repelled permanently) > > > HELP! > > The only thing I could think of to do (none of my reading has > specifically addressed trying to rescue a hive under attack by robbers) > was shut down the entrance from "full wide-open" to about 4-5 > bee-widths. That's done. A bottom bar from one of the rattiest of the > frames I've got is serving the purpose nicely. Broken in half, and the > ends put towards the middle, it's providing solid closure of most of the > entrance. I doubt that it's a good idea to go for a total close-up, > since I can see that SOME of the bees that are in-bound are "mine" - I > can't imagine robbers toting in full pollen-baskets - and the battle is > probably still raging as I type this, with probably another 20 minutes > before sundown. > > So what more can I do? Anything? Or is it a "you're stuck sitting back > and waiting to see what happens" kind of situation? > > Advice, *PLEASE!* > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Empty Box (Aussie) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D2F3C37.BDCB9387@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:29:43 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32819 I think your hive may have swarmed already. Were those queen cells capped? Was there any eggs and larvae? If there is only capped brood in the hive my guess is that your queen is long gone. Billy Smart Rock, KS Malcolm Perrement wrote: > > G,day folks, > I removed frames of honey and replaced them with light coloured drawn out > frames in the brood boxes. There are drones and I also noticed small queen > cells at the bottom of some frames. There was still plenty of room. The > bees are still working on the tee tree. Do you think they could swarm in mid > winter? > (2) > I have a 3 box hive, 2 brood 1 honey, that I inspected about six weeks ago, > there was not sufficient honey to remove for extraction. Yesterday I > inspected that hive to see if it required replacing frames. The bees looked > the same but when I removed the frames from the bottom box, there was > absolutely nothing. The frames were intact with combs, very dark, but no > honey, brood just bees. There was still the same amount of honey it the top > as six weeks ago. About three frames of brood in the second box, the rest > uncapped honey. Could the bees have been robbed? If so why was honey still > in the top box? I have removed the empty box making it a two box hive. > I would appreciate any thought on this please. > Malcolm Queensland Australia Article 32820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: feeding bees(Australia) Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:52:06 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.181 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1026546208 144.134.81.181 (Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:43:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:43:28 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32820 G,day folks What is a good recipe for making protein cakes with items one can purchase in Australia. Malcolm (Queensland) Article 32821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "X_Pornstarr" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help for an absolute newbie ! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:35:55 +0200 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: pmb-dial-196-30-39-225.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <3d3001cb.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 13 Jul 2002 12:32:43 +0200, pmb-dial-196-30-39-225.mweb.co.za Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!pmb-dial-196-30-39-225.mweb.co.za Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32821 Hiya all, HELP ! Just a bit of background, I am a radio technician in Kwa-Zulu Natal, South Africa, and as part of my job I maintain radio transmission sites, basically huts on top of mountains/buildings. Recently one of my transmission sites was broken into (guys trying to steal batteries,etc) - when they left they left the door open just enough for a swarm of bees to get in and start a natural hive. I only found this out last week, and after borrowing a bee-keeper suit I went to investigate - man, was I surprised at the size of the hive - about 1 1/2 meters (4 foot) high and about 1 meter wide at the top ! They have been busy and damn they are aggressive ! My problem is .... I don't really want to get rid of them, a lot of people have suggested a can or two of insect spray but I would far rather move them to a hive on top of my container, if only to chase away anyone else that dares bang on the locks and attempts to break in ! I have priced the basic hives, both a super and brood - and for what I intend to do it is just too expensive (not to mention that the hive will more than likely be stolen ... I am in Africa after all ....) What I have thought of is converting an old tea chest into a make-do hive (1.5m x 0.6m x 0.6m). I have varnished the exterior so it is fully waterproofed - but where I am confused is the interior, is it necessary to use super wax on the frames, or as an alternative could I use something else like waxed paper ? Is it necessary to separate the box into two sections for the brood and super chamber or can I leave it as is ? Any advice will really be appreciated ! Thanx, X Article 32822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Worker Bee Communication Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-86-231.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: venus.btinternet.com 1026470340 2265 213.122.86.231 (12 Jul 2002 10:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:39:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32822 They are not always built in one place. A friend of mine had a hive which at one time built almost 50 queen cells spread around the hive like billy ho. > From: "Eric Ryder" > Organization: MV Communications, Inc. > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:44:35 -0400 > Subject: Worker Bee Communication > > I'm in my first year as a hobby beekeeper and I have a question about worker > bees and queen cell building. If you have a large hive and the worker bees > are going to swarm, how do they all know who is going to build the queen > cells? There are so many bees and yet they will build in one place. How do > they get to that point? I would think that worker bees would react and start > building queen cells in several locations in the hive, yet obviously there > must be some communication that keeps the bees from starting queen cells in > different locations at the same time. Is there a dominant worker bee who can > somehow communicate what needs to be done and where? The same question > applies to supercedure as well. > > Thanks for any info. > Laura in New Hampshire > > Article 32823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July Apis-UK Newsletter Message-ID: <1026567783.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:43:03 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1026567811 195.157.220.2 (Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:43:31 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:43:31 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32823 Apis-UK beekeeping newsletters July issue of Apis-UK out now. http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newsletters/index.htm Please send comments to the editor David Cramp Regards Steve ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 32824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jbhajos@earthlink.not (JBHajos) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help for an absolute newbie ! Reply-To: jbhajos@earthlunk.not Message-ID: <3d304f5f.1023091@news.earthlink.net> References: <3d3001cb.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 43 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:17:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.133.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026577049 199.174.133.46 (Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:17:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:17:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32824 On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:35:55 +0200, "X_Pornstarr" wrote: >Hiya all, > >HELP ! > >Just a bit of background, I am a radio technician in Kwa-Zulu Natal, South >Africa, >I surprised at the size of the hive - about 1 1/2 meters (4 foot) high and >about 1 meter wide at the top ! They have been busy and damn they are >aggressive ! > >My problem is .... I don't really want to get rid of them, a lot of people >have suggested a can or two of insect spray but I would far rather move them >to a hive on top of my container, if only to chase away anyone else that >dares bang on the locks and attempts to break in ! I have priced the basic >hives, both a super and brood - and for what I intend to do it is just too >expensive (not to mention that the hive will more than likely be stolen ... >I am in Africa after all ....) > >What I have thought of is converting an old tea chest into a make-do hive >(1.5m x 0.6m x 0.6m). I have varnished the exterior so it is fully >waterproofed - but where I am confused is the interior, is it necessary to >use super wax on the frames, or as an alternative could I use something else >like waxed paper ? Is it necessary to separate the box into two sections >for the brood and super chamber or can I leave it as is ? > >Any advice will really be appreciated ! Your tea chest could make a decent top bar hive. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Try to find someone who has experience with that type of bee. I'm guessing you have cape bees (Apis mellifera capensis). If you set up a top bar hive, put the entry on one of the ends, not all the way down the sides like some plans will show. Good luck, I wish I could be more helpful. CTHajos Hungary is not in Spain. Article 32825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Pesticide Kill - my first X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D3070F7.4AD9E673@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:27:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32825 For the first time I have a pesticide kill in one of my town hives. Probably some fearful homeowner spraying seven on their bee-covered bee balm by the porch or some similar scenario. Too late now for preventative measures. It doesn't look like it will be fatal for the colony as there are only around 1,000 bees dead in front of the hive and this is a strong hive with 2 deeps and 6 supers. My question is how to minimize the damage? What sort of damage control can I do? Also, should I be concerned that the honey is contaminated? There are 4-5 full supers on the hive, mostly capped. Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 32826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: feeding bees(Australia) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:08:27 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cwpp-p-203-54-206-194.prem.tmns.net.au (203.54.206.194) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026598008 24545660 203.54.206.194 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!cwpp-p-203-54-206-194.prem.tmns.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32826 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day folks > What is a good recipe for making protein cakes with items one > can purchase in Australia. > Malcolm (Queensland) http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/3271 John Article 32828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D31ABAD.4FC84A75@zapbatnet.com> From: Richard Hyde Reply-To: rahzap@zapbatnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! References: <700de225.0207081228.351109fb@posting.google.com> <20020710185808.06272.00002680@mb-fd.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:49:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1026665448 209.239.173.174 (Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:50:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:50:48 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32828 I missed the start of this thread, so my apologies if this has already been suggested? > Any more advice please. I suppose I should also contact my local beekeepers > club for local expertise and resources. My membership expired some years ago, > together with my bees from varoa. Does it really require a cherry picker to get to where the bees are entering/leaving? If so, this may not be worth the effort either. If you can somehow mount a hive body very near the bee entrance, try this. Cover the chimney with a cone of wire, like a minnow trap in reverse, that will let the bees escape, but not reenter. Put a frame of brood in the hive body and the marooned bees will move into it and make it their new home, raising a new queen in the process. Wait a couple of months for the brood in the chimney to hatch and leave, then remove the wire cone and let the bees now in the hive rob out the remaining honey from the chimney. Tedious, but it works. I removed a hive from inside the walls of a historic building using this method. Cutting into the structure was not an option. Cheers, Rick Article 32829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: feeding bees(Australia) Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:33:04 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.13 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1026692663 144.134.81.13 (Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:24:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:24:23 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32829 G,day John, Thank you for that site I appreciate that Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:agq89n$nd2bs$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day folks > > What is a good recipe for making protein cakes with items one > > can purchase in Australia. > > Malcolm (Queensland) > > http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/3271 > > John > > Article 32830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Message-ID: References: <20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:27:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.184 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026732443 4.62.104.184 (Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:27:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:27:23 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32830 wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) wrote: >Trying to settle an arguement here between a friend and I. When my dad was >keeping bees, I thought he said a deep super (9 5/8) would hold about 90 pounds >of honey and a medium (6 5/8) would hold 60 pounds. My friend swears that its >60 pounds for the deep and 35 pounds for the medium roughly. Can someone on >this list end the arguement? In rough numbers: A shallow super will typically yield between 25 and 30 pounds of honey, or 2 to 2 ½ gallons. A medium (6 5/8”) depth super will typically yield between 35 and 40 pounds, or 3 to 4 gallons. A full-depth box will typically yield between 60 and 70 pounds, or 5 to 6 gallons. Actual yields vary due to the number of frames, how well they are extracted, age of comb and other variables. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jul 2002 12:51:30 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Message-ID: <20020715085130.02742.00000421@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32831 I am getting roughly 24 medium frames per 100 lbs of honey. Article 32832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:22:43 -0400 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com> <6ICX8.163515$Uu2.36965@sccrnsc03> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026739367 25685124 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32832 Both could be right. 60-70 # of honey, but probably weighs close to 90 lb when lifting it (after all, boxes, frames, wax and bees all add up). Seems heavier as you lift more of them. Also, the total weight of the honey will depend on the density (and moisture content), as the more dense it is (less moisture), the heavier per volume. Use mediums or shallows if you value your back. "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:6ICX8.163515$Uu2.36965@sccrnsc03... > "WSkriba" wrote in message > news:20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com... > > Trying to settle an arguement here between a friend and I. When my dad > was > > keeping bees, I thought he said a deep super (9 5/8) would hold about 90 > pounds > > of honey and a medium (6 5/8) would hold 60 pounds. My friend swears that > its > > 60 pounds for the deep and 35 pounds for the medium roughly. Can someone > on > > this list end the arguement? Article 32833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Briandead0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:29:32 -0400 Lines: 26 Message-ID: Reply-To: brain_nospam_dead0@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.183.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026739774 25451024 208.149.183.61 (16 [146519]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!208.149.183.61!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32833 Found a hole in the ground next to my house, where some fat fuzzy black bees were coming out. As I was in the process of tilling this area up, I continued on my way (they don't seem very aggressive at all). In the process, their exit got plugged up. But, surprise surprise, they found a way into my basement! They've been unable to get out, so they inevitably die flying around the windows. This has been going on for a week or so, find 5-10 per day. Seems to me that I'm dealing with however many eggs/chambers were in the collective (not really a Hive?) as they grow up. The only things I've tried so far: Bug bomb the basement. Treat around the house with Daizanon, and water in thoroughly. Any other suggestions? Or am I just stuck until all the eggs are finished? I'm fairly certain that there are no burrows accessible from outside, so there should be any new influx. I guess I should have tried chasing them off prior to tilling.. hindsight and all. ---- OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 Article 32834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jul 2002 23:04:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Soybeans flowers Message-ID: <20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.flash.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32834 Can a person get a decent amount of decent honey from soybeans? Article 32835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Knoxville honey production Date: 15 Jul 2002 19:47:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 44 Message-ID: <75213ab.0207151847.14eb68fe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026787642 26402 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2002 02:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2002 02:47:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32835 I have a question...well, several questions I started a hive from a split in April of this year from a local named Earl Seay. He was very helpful in starting my hive, although I did not have much hope in getting a honey crop the first year. This was compounded by the fact that my first queen died (or at least I never did see her again after the split was made). Earl helped out and got a queen and it was well accepted by the hive (by this time it was the last week in April) To my suprise the hive built up at incredible speed, so I put on a second deep and two supers (all foundation). The bees proceeded to draw out and fill every frame of the deep with brood and pollen and honey and completely fill one super with honey and 1/2 of the second with honey. In mid-june after the full super was capped completely I harvested the full super and left the 1/2 super on not really thinking they would fill it and cap it. But my bees suprised me again; I just checked on them this week and they have completely filled the remaining super with honey and 3/4 is capped. I didn't go into the deeps too much--just to check to see if the queen was laying and she was. My first question is this: Is this expected behavior of a split? and second, with this much productivity should I be concerned with crowding and subsequent swarming. These bees have absolutely no more room to put surplus honey, but I was under the understanding that it is good to have the bees a little crowded at the end of a honey flow in order to stimulate the bees to pack surplus honey into the brood chamber. However, at my last check the bees looked VERY CROWDED internally (no counting the 1,000 or so bees hanging out on the outside every evening). I just don't want these bees to swarm on me if I can help it, so should I take precautionary measures and split the hive? My third question: I have such a good queen, is there any way in producing more queens from her? (like making a nuc?) My fourth question: At what time should I check for mites? I have seen no indication of mites yet (I've pulled out drone larva to check, but none present, of course I know that that does not mean they're not there) Should I do a 24 hour drop just to make sure? The hive that the split came from was treated for mites this spring and when I got the split there was no indication of mites present. But from what I understand, I should treat ALL hives as having mites until proven otherwise. Your help would be appreciated, Eric Vincill Article 32836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jSNIPsiple1@SNIPattbi.com (Y A John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: Re: My experiment seems to be working... Message-ID: References: <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: PjGH5#`|x.E~sv;GO3!hCk}``:r3Wo6t)tT*xVJS'S2>b^EQ~o&e},so~*U547cl*|:Ui%mm@Q>m`aQSuIm>>$|Kh\u,F\:=U Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.228.80.249 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1026788239 12.228.80.249 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:57:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:57:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:57:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32836 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:186637 In article , Howard S Shubs wrote: >In article <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net>, > Don Bruder wrote: > >> The other day I discussed my "cram some comb into the groove and see >> what happens" plot... > >Uh, you're using a Macintosh for a bee hive? Hey, if it works... Of course not. He's the farmer in the Dell. Article 32837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:34:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1026790497 24.31.194.116 (Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:34:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:34:57 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32837 I don't think you'll get much sympathy around here. Digger or mining bees, as you yourself said, are not aggressive, and they play an extremely important role in pollinating flowers. Bees of all kinds are in such short supply that the pollination shortage is becoming a crisis. Why would you want to kill them? Your conclusion to try to kill them illustrates one reason why bees are in trouble. Why not just open the basement windows and let them out? Most of the folks here are involved with honeybees. But honeybees do not visit every type of flower. Digger bees can pollinate some of the flowers that honeybees don't work. Some of these flowers are extremely important, not only for our food, but for food for birds and other wildlife. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Briandead0" wrote in message news:r8j5ju415dj7oim8em9eseum71touktad9@4ax.com... > Found a hole in the ground next to my house, where some fat fuzzy > black bees were coming out. As I was in the process of tilling this > area up, I continued on my way (they don't seem very aggressive at > all). > > In the process, their exit got plugged up. But, surprise surprise, > they found a way into my basement! They've been unable to get out, so > they inevitably die flying around the windows. This has been going on > for a week or so, find 5-10 per day. > > Seems to me that I'm dealing with however many eggs/chambers were in > the collective (not really a Hive?) as they grow up. > > The only things I've tried so far: > > Bug bomb the basement. > Treat around the house with Daizanon, and water in thoroughly. > > Any other suggestions? Or am I just stuck until all the eggs are > finished? I'm fairly certain that there are no burrows accessible > from outside, so there should be any new influx. > > I guess I should have tried chasing them off prior to tilling.. > hindsight and all. > ---- > OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 Article 32838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Soybeans flowers Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:38:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1026790690 24.31.194.116 (Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:38:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:38:10 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32838 Some of the guys in the Mississippi valley claim it's a good honey source. I've never gotten very much here in South Carolina. I don't know whether it's different soil types, climate, or bean varieties. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Timmdwill" wrote in message news:20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com... > Can a person get a decent amount of decent honey from soybeans? Article 32839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: Re: My experiment seems to be working... Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:36:11 -0400 Organization: ='SEQUENTIAL' Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-632.newsdawg.com User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!howard Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32839 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:186638 In article , jSNIPsiple1@SNIPattbi.com (Y A John) wrote: > Of course not. He's the farmer in the Dell. Oh NOOOOOOO! Of -course-! Or would that be, "He's the farmer in the Dell, doooood!"? -- "Run in circles, scream and shout!" I hope you have good backups! Are there any more networked SJFs around? Article 32840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: Re: My experiment seems to be working... Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:06:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1026806812 209.204.149.213 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:06:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:06:52 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32840 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:186642 In article , jSNIPsiple1@SNIPattbi.com (Y A John) wrote: > In article , Howard S > Shubs wrote: > > >In article <1SHW8.77$V4.243@typhoon.sonic.net>, > > Don Bruder wrote: > > > >> The other day I discussed my "cram some comb into the groove and see > >> what happens" plot... > > > >Uh, you're using a Macintosh for a bee hive? Hey, if it works... > > Of course not. He's the farmer in the Dell. AUGH!!!! NO!!!!!!! *****ANYTHING***** but a sentence to Dell Hell!!!! Even a Commodore Pet would be less like torture! -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Briandead0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:18:34 -0400 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9i38ju0dfkna7behmnskcp4v5ojf228gco@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: brain_nospam_dead0@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.183.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026821918 26665195 208.149.183.61 (16 [146519]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!208.149.183.61!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32841 On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:34:57 GMT, "Dave Green" wrote: > I don't think you'll get much sympathy around here. Digger or mining >bees, as you yourself said, are not aggressive, and they play an extremely >important role in pollinating flowers. Bees of all kinds are in such short >supply that the pollination shortage is becoming a crisis. Why would you >want to kill them? Your conclusion to try to kill them illustrates one >reason why bees are in trouble. Why not just open the basement windows and >let them out? Well, my wife has an irrational fear of bees, wasps (well I don't like those much) and spiders. And we have a lot of wasps and carpenter bees out here (Ohio), if I leave a window open the odds are very good that we'd end up with both and a bigger mess. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, I should have left the area 'bee' (pun intended) but I was in the process of fixing up a rather ugly flower bed. I figured they'd find their way out, instead of finding their way in. Next time I'll work with them, but that doesn't help me now. Thanks for the advice. ---- OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 Article 32842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jul 2002 13:26:33 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Message-ID: <20020716092633.02153.00000682@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32842 Well let's see now, you poison the ground,try to kill valuble pollinators, and then look for help? Did anyone get stung? If this isn't a troll --- Article 32843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Briandead0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:52:39 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20020716092633.02153.00000682@mb-cl.aol.com> Reply-To: brain_nospam_dead0@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.183.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026827562 26432863 208.149.183.61 (16 [146519]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!208.149.183.61!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32843 On 16 Jul 2002 13:26:33 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Well let's see now, you poison the ground,try to kill valuble pollinators, and >then look for help? >Did anyone get stung? >If this isn't a troll --- I thought it was pretty clear. I was in the process of tilling a planter next to my house, found them at that point. After properly grading the soil, which I had to do otherwise I would end up with water damage to my basement, the bees lost their egress. If I could re-open access for them I would be more than happy to. This is the only newsgroup I thought would have some form of logical suggestions, apparantly I was wrong. I suppose I should have left them alone so that their burrows would allow water to collect next to my basement walls.. Oh heck, let my house collapse as long as I can save the bees? ---- OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 Article 32844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020716092633.02153.00000682@mb-cl.aol.com> Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:32:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1026837173 24.31.194.116 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:32:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:32:53 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32844 "Briandead0" wrote > This is the only newsgroup I thought would have some form of logical > suggestions, apparantly I was wrong. You did get a logical suggestion. Open the basement windows and let them continue with their business. They will establish, most likely in a spot that hasn't been disturbed. Since they normally go to the windows, you can probably open it for ten minutes and be done with it. Nothing significant is going to come in that quickly. Now if you left the windows open for several days, you might get some mud daubers coming in to make nests. Re: your wife's paranoia: take her to this site and show her how many spiders a mud dauber will remove from the environment. Most women hate spiders worse than anything. I kinda like spiders myself, except for black widows and brown recluses. http://www.pollinator.com/beneficials/trypaxylon_politum.htm You might mention to her that in doing this closeup photography, with these wasps buzzing around my head, and even when I opened a few of their nests, none offered to sting me. I never put on a veil. BTW, diazinon is in process of being removed, because of its tendency to get in ground water. Do you want it in YOUR well? I'm not saying you did this, but the typical homeowner uses three or four times the recommended rate. That's another reason why it soon will not be available. > > I suppose I should have left them alone so that their burrows would > allow water to collect next to my basement walls.. Oh heck, let my > house collapse as long as I can save the bees? Ain't gonna happen, unless you have a flood. How do you think the bees survive themselves, with normal rainfall? They know how to pick their spots and protect them from ordinary events. BTW#2, if they were finding their way from *underground* into your basement, you already have some cracks.... Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "..." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020716092633.02153.00000682@mb-cl.aol.com> Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:33:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026851625 216.26.16.207 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:33:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:33:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32845 I think you may have a bigger problem that your over looking.... if bees can come through your basment wall then just tilling the top 3 - 4" of soil is not going to save you..... Sounds to me like you need to bring in a back hoe and dig up all the soil and get a mason in to do some foundation repair.... Brian "Briandead0" wrote in message news:dv88ju4rlhio8vkdav49oe7i9spbbd872d@4ax.com... > On 16 Jul 2002 13:26:33 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > > >Well let's see now, you poison the ground,try to kill valuble pollinators, and > >then look for help? > >Did anyone get stung? > >If this isn't a troll --- > > I thought it was pretty clear. I was in the process of tilling a > planter next to my house, found them at that point. After properly > grading the soil, which I had to do otherwise I would end up with > water damage to my basement, the bees lost their egress. If I could > re-open access for them I would be more than happy to. > > This is the only newsgroup I thought would have some form of logical > suggestions, apparantly I was wrong. > > I suppose I should have left them alone so that their burrows would > allow water to collect next to my basement walls.. Oh heck, let my > house collapse as long as I can save the bees? > ---- > OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 > Article 32846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Mondjack" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Soybeans flowers Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:01:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.193.161.77 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1026860465 216.193.161.77 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:01:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:01:05 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32846 I've read that soybeans produce a lite honey, and to my surprize here in Pennsylvania I've harvested what "I think" is a crop of lite soybean honey. Nothing else was in the area of my 18 colonies except corn and potatoes for about a mile. Bill "Timmdwill" wrote in message news:20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com... > Can a person get a decent amount of decent honey from soybeans? Article 32847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:20:34 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-727.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32847 O.k, this is my first year that I've had enough honey to extract. I have 23 hives, and they've produced so far over 50 gallons of honey. They were all split this spring. My question is, during extraction, I used the uncapping scratcher to lift the cappings off. How deep should I have gone? I have an electric knife, but it seemed that the scratcher works better. I tried to just remove the cappings, but it seemed that when I put the supers back on the hive, they immediately capped some of the cells that were empty. The extractor sure is a step up from squeezing honey, I think by now my hands would have fallen off. Any help would be appreciated. Steve in TN Article 32848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jul 2002 02:44:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Extracting question Message-ID: <20020716224437.07536.00000691@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32848 Just under the surface of the capping. In time your combs will be fat enough to only hang 8 in a box. Don't worry about the bees capping a few empty cells, bees are always up to things we can't quite figure out. Article 32849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020610 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: falling off hive and drowning. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:59:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.14.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1026874751 151.203.14.36 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:59:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:59:11 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32849 This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to exit this way? Article 32850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:24:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026887077 216.26.16.164 (Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:24:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:24:37 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32850 What kind of paint did you use? flat? enamile? latex? etc... maybe whe n the hive gets slippery when it is wet..... "Charles Puffer" wrote in message news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, > panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less > visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to > exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling > off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to > struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is > wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this > morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I > should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to > exit this way? > > Article 32851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "St. Bauersachs" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for langstrothhive plans Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:14:18 +0200 Organization: Ilmenau Technical University Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a304-1.fem.tu-ilmenau.de X-Trace: piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de 1026908006 28944 141.24.51.133 (17 Jul 2002 12:13:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!news_alt.tu-ilmenau.de!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32851 Hi beekeepers Im from Germany and i want to start beekeeping. Now i am looking for good (metric) constructionplans to build a beehive. Can anyone give me a link to a good webside or mail me a plan. I'm especially interested in plans for hivebottoms and feeders. Thx and full honeypots Stefan Article 32852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Rob Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:03:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.119.167.109 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 1026918045 65.119.167.109 (Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:00:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:00:45 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32852 Make sure that your hive pitches forward ever so slightly- enough that the water rolls off the bottom board rather than sitting there. Most importantly, this will also keep the water from draining into the hive- a good thing to avoid. Rob "Charles Puffer" wrote in message news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, > panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less > visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to > exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling > off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to > struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is > wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this > morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I > should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to > exit this way? > Article 32853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: looking for langstrothhive plans Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:56:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.105.45.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1026932265 213.105.45.83 (Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:57:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:57:45 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32853 "St. Bauersachs" wrote in message news:ah3n16$s8g$1@piggy.rz.tu-ilmenau.de... > > Hi beekeepers > > Im from Germany and i want to start beekeeping. Now i am looking for good > (metric) constructionplans to build a beehive. > Can anyone give me a link to a good webside or mail me a plan. I'm > especially interested in plans for hivebottoms and feeders. > > Thx and full honeypots > http://www.beesource.com/plans/index.htm -- Tïmøthÿ Whïttïñghäm Article 32854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D35F1A8.4000507@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020610 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:38:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.14.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1026945517 151.203.14.36 (Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:38:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:38:37 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32854 Flat Latex, One of my theories is that they can't realy get a grip on the "soft" serfus so I sould do something that will give them a better grip. The hive seems to be slippery all the time, but when it's dry they don't get stuck to the bottom board. Charles Puffer www.Wuffman.com wrote: > What kind of paint did you use? flat? enamile? latex? etc... maybe whe n > the hive gets slippery when it is wet..... > > > > "Charles Puffer" wrote in message > news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > >>This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, >>panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less >>visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to >>exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling >>off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to >>struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is >>wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this >>morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I >>should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to >>exit this way? >> >> > > > Flat l Article 32855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D35F22B.1040701@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020610 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:40:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.14.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1026945648 151.203.14.36 (Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:40:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:40:48 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32855 I have it pitched forward (It was not when I first set it up, had a puddle in the back, fixed it. But the rain tends to bead at outside on the bottem board, Are you suggesting I slant it more? Charles Puffer Rob Morgan wrote: > Make sure that your hive pitches forward ever so slightly- enough that the > water rolls off the bottom board rather than sitting there. Most > importantly, this will also keep the water from draining into the hive- a > good thing to avoid. Rob > > > "Charles Puffer" wrote in message > news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > >>This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, >>panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less >>visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to >>exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling >>off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to >>struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is >>wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this >>morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I >>should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to >>exit this way? >> > > > Article 32856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Wally Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Date: 17 Jul 2002 20:27:07 -0500 Organization: What Organization? We ain't organized. Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> <3D35F22B.1040701@verizon.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!novia!newscene.com!newscene!newscene!novia!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32856 I put a piece of corrugated fiberglass roofing on top of the top to shade and keep the hive from getting much of any rain on it. And weight it down. On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:40:48 GMT, Charles Puffer wrote: >I have it pitched forward (It was not when I first set it up, had a >puddle in the back, fixed it. But the rain tends to bead at outside on >the bottem board, Are you suggesting I slant it more? > >Charles Puffer > >Rob Morgan wrote: >> Make sure that your hive pitches forward ever so slightly- enough that the >> water rolls off the bottom board rather than sitting there. Most >> importantly, this will also keep the water from draining into the hive- a >> good thing to avoid. Rob >> >> >> "Charles Puffer" wrote in message >> news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... >> >>>This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, >>>panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less >>>visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to >>>exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling >>>off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to >>>struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is >>>wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this >>>morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I >>>should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to >>>exit this way? >>> >> >> >> > Article 32857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4841-3D361E1A-78@storefull-2191.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAykCXtSOKl8aguxDXfJOfVLdZfAgCFCUKivzrg7XeEJo8DEpTbh1uYyTJ Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32857 You did come to the right group and welcome. You have to understand that, as beekeepers, we are very protective of all our pollinators. If you would please take the time to visit Dave Green's web site and visit other links mentioned there, I believe you will understand why we react as we do to bee kills. Upon learning about the workings of the hive and the dangers faced by the bees, I hope you will understand our fervor. Two years ago on a walking trail near here, people become panic stricken by fuzzy bees found along the path. The city was in a tizzy about how to exterminate them with the least amount of damage to the atmosphere. They got advice from the university entomologist, Dr. James Amerine (WVU). As I remember, he told them that sure the bees would sting "if you held them in your hand and squeezed real tight." Of course, he also informed the public about the importance of having these beneficial bees around. I believe they decided to leave them alone. I find that most people are completely in the dark about bees and unless given good information, will remain so. When I started beekeeping, I was only interested in pollinating my garden (all the honeybees seemed to have disappeared.) I knew very little about bees except that they stung. Now I know that bees (bumblebees, etc) are truly amazing, gentle, busy, busy, busy creatures that will only sting when threatened. I have also learned to appreciate other beneficial insects. There are still many I loathe even though I know they have a place in nature. I will never like yellow jackets, sweat bees, mosquitos, flies, etc. which I handle with traps not insecticides. Speaking of spiders, my son and his fiance had a tiny tiff recently when she tried to kill a spider while he wanted to just put it outside. He does listen to his mamma occasionally! (^; Article 32858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Red Flowers Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:26:52 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-7ke2aIvUzhzS1+VD7eMuOF5ONjSUkeBdhaYc/582bO3GBbmnW06n7yLC+74DZ1TblfGotxBPwtYEsC4!Khbq4uaNtOyg3+wuaHcjTBArQT9NeZU8x7Zsx+3WsbfoV02VD3onBbuMy+RLWm4G8WXw1kUva9Q/!VoT6MsR9P0jtuA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:26:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32858 The July 2002 issue of National Geographic magazine has an excellent article on flowering plants titled "The Big Bloom." The only thing that bothers me is in one photo caption they state "Because bees rarely visit red flowers, they may lack vision at the infrared end of the spectrum." Based purely on my own anecdotal observation I'm not at all sure this is a correct statement. Our honey bees enthusiastically work our heirloom red rugosa roses and red oriental poppies, to name two, and bumble bees (the statement isn't restricted to any one type bee) certainly do work red clover. What say you all? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Rob Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> <3D35F22B.1040701@verizon.net> Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:36:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.119.167.124 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 1026995621 65.119.167.124 (Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:33:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:33:41 CDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32859 Charles: Slanting it a bit more so that it runs off doesn't seem unreasonable. You might try pushing the outer cover as far forward as possible if there is any play in it. Also, you could rough up that area of the bottom brood chamber with a piece of sandpaper where the bees are climbing out so they can keep their footing if they are having trouble holding on. When they are really on a flow, they'll tend to use that area for 'take off' quite a bit so it would be worth making it easier for them- up 5-6 inches from the main entrance. Ultimately, honeybees are just kind of clumsy. Good luck. Rob "Charles Puffer" wrote in message news:3D35F22B.1040701@verizon.net... > I have it pitched forward (It was not when I first set it up, had a > puddle in the back, fixed it. But the rain tends to bead at outside on > the bottem board, Are you suggesting I slant it more? > > Charles Puffer > > Rob Morgan wrote: > > Make sure that your hive pitches forward ever so slightly- enough that the > > water rolls off the bottom board rather than sitting there. Most > > importantly, this will also keep the water from draining into the hive- a > > good thing to avoid. Rob > > > > > > "Charles Puffer" wrote in message > > news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > > > >>This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, > >>panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less > >>visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to > >>exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling > >>off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to > >>struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is > >>wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this > >>morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I > >>should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to > >>exit this way? > >> > > > > > > > > Article 32860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Briandead0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hope this isn't OT: Getting rid of burrowing bees Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:24:28 -0400 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <4841-3D361E1A-78@storefull-2191.public.lawson.webtv.net> Reply-To: brain_nospam_dead0@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.183.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1026998675 27912486 208.149.183.61 (16 [146519]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!208.149.183.61!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32860 On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT), DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) wrote: >You did come to the right group and welcome. You have to understand >that, as beekeepers, we are very protective of all our pollinators. If >you would please take the time to visit Dave Green's web site and visit >other links mentioned there, I believe you will understand why we react >as we do to bee kills. Upon learning about the workings of the hive and >the dangers faced by the bees, I hope you will understand our fervor. I understand, and from what I can tell is was my re-grading the ground around the house (and re-packing it) that likely closed off their outside access. My fautl, but I can't seem to figure out how to move the bees outside. I'm still not certain how they get in, as I don't (and never had had) any major problems with the basement walls. They were located near a very old window (probably original 1927) that has been sorta sealed shut, so it's possible that the wood is so rotton they have burrowed trails through the window frame or something? If I do nothing, they are dying anyway (at the rate of 10-15 dead bees on the floor per day). Even when I opened a window and put a fan near it blowing out (to try and keep outside folks from coming in... Still a lot of dead ones. Although I did see a few outside, so I managed to save some. I can't imagine that there is any outside access, so I'm pretty sure that they have no food source... Do these bees live in colonies? How many egg cells would you expect? Just wondering how long I've got until they run out... Thanks everybody, kinda stressed on this end as the wife really does freak out about bees... Even the cute fuzzy ones. ..as an aside, my dad used to keep a beehive on the roof of our house in California... I never had a problem with them. Was a shame when the neighbors complained though.. claimed it was our bees that were getting in their pool. Ended up giving the hive to a local keeper.. ---- OFCC #3122, DoD #2223 Article 32861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> <3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:55:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027011352 12.86.120.93 (Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:55:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:55:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32861 Another possibility is that scouts found a newly split hive, thought their swarm could take it and what better way to find a home? Fully furnished with brood, drawn comb etc... I have read that sometimes scouts will gain entrance to a hive and check out the stores, ability of the hive and decide to try a take over. I heard it is rare but happens. "Muddawg" wrote in message news:uia807m29vha4b@corp.supernews.com... > Thanks guys, I hadn't thought of these. Either could be a definite > possibility. All of the splits have been having heavy "play" flights in the > afternoons. A little misguided swarm passing by at the right time could > definitely be lured by the scent calling the new flyers home. Great > insight! Thanks very much. > > Best wishes, > > --Muddawg > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net... > > On 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: > > > > >I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only > > >speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare > > >instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new > > >residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted > > >out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off > > >by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While > > >the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard > > >to believe that they would be completely infallible. > > > > > >Nuc. > > > > Another explination could be that the relocated bees were pheramone > > fanning to let their foragers know where to land and the swarm picked > > up on it and took it as "here is our new home". I have seen two > > swarms move into one hive before. When keeping bees never say that > > you have seen everything. > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 32862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beemax and EZ Frames Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:55:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027014918 12.86.120.93 (Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:55:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:55:18 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32862 Hello, I noticed that Dadant offers a type of hive and frame that are completely "wood free". Think they are some sort of polystyrene or some such insulating material. They go under the name brands of "Beemax" Hive body, supper, top and bottom board. And the frames are called "EZ-Frame". These frames are one solid piece and are plastic or some such and coated with beeswax. My question to you is have you had any experience with such products? I think Mannlake also sells a similar item but not sure on the item brand name and it isn't on the online catalog but is in there 2002 catalog. I have heard this route has been tried in the past and had problems with warping etc... Yet here it is in the catalogs again, so perhaps they have improved the product to prevent that? I would love to hear your first hand exp or any thing you have heard from others that have dealt with them. Article 32863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:06:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027015589 12.86.120.93 (Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:06:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:06:29 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32863 This may not be accurate, but the act of a bee climbing up something in prior to flight then falling can be a tell tell sign of some sort of infection I read about.... either treacheal mites or some bacterial infection... but I think it is the mites. Might want to make sure it isn't the beginning phase of a larger problem. Again, I am probably wrong but the climbing up and falling part reminded me of some desease I read about and thought I would bring it up incase it might save your hive. "Charles Puffer" wrote in message news:3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net... > This is my first year keeping bees. Bought a hive kit and assembled it, > panted it a flat gray (this being New England, and to make it less > visible). The problem I am havering is that some of the bees like to > exit the hive upside down climbing up the side of the super before fling > off. Often they lose there footing and fall on there backs and have to > struggle to flip upright be before flying off. If the hive entrance is > wet from rain they get stuck and drown. I had 2 die in 10 minutes this > morning (now I know 2 bees it not a big deal). But Is there something I > should do to make there footing better or to prevent them from trying to > exit this way? > Article 32864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steven Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:22:52 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-065.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32864 Stupid question, Have you tried tilting the hive more so that you get more drainage and less pooling of water near the entrance? Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 Article 32865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: LOVEMGRFAN@AOL.COM (Kathy Cox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Date: 18 Jul 2002 18:16:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.81.16.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027041397 18425 127.0.0.1 (19 Jul 2002 01:16:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2002 01:16:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32865 "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:... > Hi Patrick, > > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message > news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? > I think it's a good idea, as long as you can keep them clean (rinse out > every day or two and refill). > > -Steve How long does the water last in your hives? Kathy Article 32866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: mistacat@london.com (MistaCat) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questions from a possible newbie... Date: 18 Jul 2002 19:28:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: <86e8ab59.0207181828.7a812a9b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.138.66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027045728 24363 127.0.0.1 (19 Jul 2002 02:28:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2002 02:28:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32866 I've always been interested in beekeeping, from a distance--I've never, ever been close to a domestic hive. I recently decided to google beekeeping... and became even more interested than before. Are there any beekeepers in the London/Laurel County, Kentucky, USA? I've been reading a lot about top bar hives. They seem so... simple and nice. Does anyone think a tbh would be good for a beginner? I figure: Build a tbh, buy a smoker and a suit (or could I improvise this--white clothing and a hat and something to cover my face?) and some bees (or is it possible to attract a swarm? There's a recipe for attracting bees to a "a vessel" in one of Lady Wilde's books, but it's a book of superstitions;)) and some books, and just *do* it. Further, could I build a small tbh from a bushel basket, like the ones found at produce stands? Cut an entrance hole, line bars along the top, find some sort of cover/roof. Sort of like the Greek basket hives I keep seeing mention of? I know the combs would then be pretty odd (and cross-combed?), but it'd be so much easier than getting my dad to build a proper one. There are a lot of wasps living in various places in my yard--also some yellow jackets and boring bees. I never see any honeybees, and the boring bees don't seem very aggressive. They just live in their holes and buzz around a lot. Would they bore into a honeybee hive, or would they be chased out? I mean, would these boring bees and wasps and yellow jackets be a problem? MistaCat Article 32867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beemax and EZ Frames Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:57:48 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 40.ff.42.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 19 Jul 2002 03:05:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32867 If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have invented trees. Article 32868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D37921C.6000403@verizon.net> From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1a) Gecko/20020610 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. References: <3D34DD41.1000005@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:15:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.14.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1027052132 151.203.14.36 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:15:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:15:32 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32868 I will be adding more slant to the hive in the morning. The bees have been doing this since I got them in May. Less bees seem to be doing it now than when I first got them. I would hate to ruff up the paint, I was thinking of rubbing some wax on it, the flat paint is sort of a silky finish not conducive to the (suction or molecular bonding as the case may be) the bees use to hang on. Article 32869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D36507A.658812A3@dcnet2000.com.> Subject: Re: Red Flowers Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:22:57 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-igXgEcx3c3hpnuNZ6Z0oeQ5+HECao/Mr3G287nwu5NJyjqyQKkVvE1GEoMiwM2iximNf0V1glKy+dFQ!FjIrLQKwBtjZkxHvhKrzbQ6c+7vDZTBPolA8vpcI36IesiIniJweT/mRoIpTvxZYMKhFlWkASwMh!NoVkW65AaEGZ+0c= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:57 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32869 "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote > Flowers often have a different colour in higher and > lower wavelengths from that perceived by humans. Many > insects and birds that have UV bias vision, see a > different colour palette. Yes, the National Geographic article made that perfectly clear. My question, which I evidently didn't present very clearly, was if any others on the list have any personal experience with bees working red flowers? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ The Rock Garden wrote: > > The July 2002 issue of National Geographic magazine has an excellent article > on flowering plants titled "The Big Bloom." The only thing that bothers me > is in one photo caption they state "Because bees rarely visit red flowers, > they may lack vision at the infrared end of the spectrum." > > Based purely on my own anecdotal observation I'm not at all sure this is a > correct statement. Our honey bees enthusiastically work our heirloom red > rugosa roses and red oriental poppies, to name two, and bumble bees (the > statement isn't restricted to any one type bee) certainly do work red > clover. > > What say you all? Article 32870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "G Hupf" From: "G Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Soybeans flowers Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:50:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027054258 67.200.206.81 (Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:50:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:50:58 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32870 I was in Nebraska, USA, last week where my brother farms about 1000 acres, much of it soybeans. I found that my tongue was far too large and not nearly nimble enough to get any honey. Perhaps bees would fare better than I. G Hupf "Timmdwill" wrote in message news:20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com... > Can a person get a decent amount of decent honey from soybeans? Article 32871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beemax and EZ Frames Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:34:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027056852 12.86.120.26 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:34:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:34:12 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32871 Hmmm.... interesting logic... Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your climate controled home :) Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear. "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:ah7vm4$sh3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have > invented trees. > Article 32872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <86e8ab59.0207181828.7a812a9b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Questions from a possible newbie... Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:59:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027069162 216.26.16.174 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:59:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:59:22 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32872 Hey fellow Newbie, This is my first year and well Im doing way better than I expected with a wild swarm.... I spent som big bucks at first getting a full bee suit and gloves etc and the best someker etc... well I hate the suit whrn I wear it I sweat like a pg in the hot sun.. If I come acrost a tie veil or one with arms and just a top without the hat just the stand up veil Im going to get it I hardly ever use my smoker except a bit at first. but for the most part they seem to ignore me.... I was rather scared at first and the other day I pulled the lid off the hive with no veil or glovces to check the new supper to see if they are drawing comb yet. not one sting... so they are getting use to me and I to them. I am not brave enought to pull a supper off the hive yet without suiting up... but for small things like feening chages etc not biggie... Brian "MistaCat" wrote in message news:86e8ab59.0207181828.7a812a9b@posting.google.com... > I've always been interested in beekeeping, from a distance--I've > never, ever been close to a domestic hive. I recently decided to > google beekeeping... and became even more interested than before. > > Are there any beekeepers in the London/Laurel County, Kentucky, USA? > > I've been reading a lot about top bar hives. They seem so... simple > and nice. Does anyone think a tbh would be good for a beginner? I > figure: Build a tbh, buy a smoker and a suit (or could I improvise > this--white clothing and a hat and something to cover my face?) and > some bees (or is it possible to attract a swarm? There's a recipe for > attracting bees to a "a vessel" in one of Lady Wilde's books, but it's > a book of superstitions;)) and some books, and just *do* it. > > Further, could I build a small tbh from a bushel basket, like the ones > found at produce stands? Cut an entrance hole, line bars along the > top, find some sort of cover/roof. Sort of like the Greek basket > hives I keep seeing mention of? I know the combs would then be pretty > odd (and cross-combed?), but it'd be so much easier than getting my > dad to build a proper one. > > There are a lot of wasps living in various places in my yard--also > some yellow jackets and boring bees. I never see any honeybees, and > the boring bees don't seem very aggressive. They just live in their > holes and buzz around a lot. Would they bore into a honeybee hive, or > would they be chased out? I mean, would these boring bees and wasps > and yellow jackets be a problem? > > MistaCat > Article 32873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1027085133 24.62.89.183 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:25:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:25:33 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:25:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32873 Hi Kathy, "Kathy Cox" wrote in message news:a7aeabfe.0207181716.3795845f@posting.google.com... > "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:... > > Hi Patrick, > > > > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message > > news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > > > > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? > > I think it's a good idea, as long as you can keep them clean (rinse out > > every day or two and refill). > > > > -Steve > > > How long does the water last in your hives? The strong ones take most of a quart on a hot day... the weaker ones take a few days. -Steve Article 32874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jul 2002 15:23:25 GMT References: <3D37921C.6000403@verizon.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: falling off hive and drowning. Message-ID: <20020719112325.10487.00000280@mb-fe.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32874 Throw a handfull of coarse sand on the bottom board Article 32875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Beemax and EZ Frames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:28:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32875 Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a domesticated animal. As far as those plastic hives, I have never used any of them but I've read/heard of problems with warpage as they age. Also, bees generally don't like plastic. I think the big advantage to those plastic hives was the insulating qualities. If you live in the extreme regions to the North that requires extensive wrapping for winter then those hives offered some advantage. Either way, the warping will cause problems eventually. I recommend you stay away from them. Billy Smart Rock, KS Ccdrogan wrote: > > Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing > this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your > climate controled home :) > > Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear. > > "Oliver Frank" wrote in message > news:ah7vm4$sh3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > > If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have > > invented trees. > > Article 32876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Questions from a possible newbie... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D383A5A.63C66C46@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <86e8ab59.0207181828.7a812a9b@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:12:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32876 MistaCat wrote: > > I've always been interested in beekeeping, from a distance--I've > never, ever been close to a domestic hive. I recently decided to > google beekeeping... and became even more interested than before. > > Are there any beekeepers in the London/Laurel County, Kentucky, USA? I'm from Kansas, sorry, but I can answer some of your questions. Do a google on "Kentucky beekeeping" and you should be able to find a listing of bee associations in the state - hopefully one in your area. I would suggest you hook up with a group close to you and see if you can get an experienced beekeeper to place a hive on your property. Some beekeepers are always on the lookout for new locations. This way you can get enough exposure to see if you really want to do this - the beekeeper can get a new location to try. > > I've been reading a lot about top bar hives. They seem so... simple > and nice. Does anyone think a tbh would be good for a beginner? I > figure: Build a tbh, buy a smoker and a suit (or could I improvise > this--white clothing and a hat and something to cover my face?) and > some bees (or is it possible to attract a swarm? There's a recipe for > attracting bees to a "a vessel" in one of Lady Wilde's books, but it's > a book of superstitions;)) and some books, and just *do* it. > > Further, could I build a small tbh from a bushel basket, like the ones > found at produce stands? Cut an entrance hole, line bars along the > top, find some sort of cover/roof. Sort of like the Greek basket > hives I keep seeing mention of? I know the combs would then be pretty > odd (and cross-combed?), but it'd be so much easier than getting my > dad to build a proper one. I suggest you start with the traditional langstroth hive. There are good reasons why MOST beekeepers in the USA use langstroth hives. You can try the TBH later if you still desire. > > There are a lot of wasps living in various places in my yard--also > some yellow jackets and boring bees. I never see any honeybees, and > the boring bees don't seem very aggressive. They just live in their > holes and buzz around a lot. Would they bore into a honeybee hive, or > would they be chased out? I mean, would these boring bees and wasps > and yellow jackets be a problem? > > MistaCat A strong colony of bees will keep these others at bay. The other insects around won't be a problem. Varroa mites will cause problems though. Unless you purchase a full size colony it is too late in the season to start with bees now. Not enough enough time left for them to build up for the winter. Now is the time to start planning for next spring! Consider getting a hive and ordering a package of bees for installation in April. Check out some books from your local library or from your local bee association. Read about beekeeping from now until then. Surf the web, monitor this newgroup. Join an association and attend meetings and talk to experienced beekeepers. Beekeeping is not a trivial subject and there is a lot to learn if you plan to take it up. Hope I helped, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 32878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Lines: 165 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:45:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.121.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027100723 12.86.121.208 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:45:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:45:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32878 Hmm... interesting... for some reason when I cut and pasted the stuff from the www.dictionary.com, it attached some of the web page graphics to my post. I apologize for this in advance. "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:G1YZ8.110757$UT.7115352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello all, > > First of all let me apologize for this, but the debater inside of me can't > let this one loose. > > Oliver Frank wrote : > >"If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have invented > trees" > > > To which I replied: > > "Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > >Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing > >this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your > >climate controled home :) > > > >Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear." > > > To which Frank Smart replied: > > > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > > domesticated animal. > > Now since Frank was not the origin of the first statement I will accept him > sidestepping my line of questioning to the original statement and taking > issue with one of my own statements.... but: > > > "do·mes·ti·cate Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt) > tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates > 1.. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. > 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. > 3.. > 1.. To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human > environment and be of use to humans. > 2.. To introduce and accustom (an animal or plant) into another region; > naturalize. > 4.. To bring down to the level of the ordinary person. " > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=domesticated > > So I with great ease say that #2, #3a, #3b, definitely apply to the > domesticated honeybee. A strong arguement could be made that ever single > definition listed above could apply, but I will save that for furture > inquiries if requested :) > > But then I found this interesting bit of info: > > > "hon·ey·bee Pronunciation Key (hn-b) > n. > Any of several social bees of the genus Apis that produce honey, > especially A. mellifera, widely domesticated as a source of honey and > beeswax. > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, > Fourth Edition > Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Honeybee > > \Hon"ey*bee`\, n. (Zo["o]l.) Any bee of the genus Apis, which lives in > communities and collects honey, esp. the common domesticated hive bee (Apis > mellifica), the Italian bee (A. ligustica), and the Arabiab bee (A. > fasciata). The two latter are by many entomologists considered only > varieties of the common hive bee. Each swarm of bees consists of a large > number of workers (barren females), with, ordinarily, one queen or fertile > female, but in the swarming season several young queens, and a number of > males or drones, are produced. > Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, > Inc. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Honeybee > > n : social bee often domesticated for the honey it produces [syn: Apis > mellifera] > Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University" > > > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=Honeybee > > > Now as you can see in EVERY definition of the honeybee, it states that they > are domesticated by humans. Now that is not to say that there are now > "wild" or "feral" bees, but that some are domesticated by man. > > > Frank, Oliver.... I hope I didn't tick either of you off... I am just a > happy go lucky guy that likes a good debate and happen to find one here. > Group... I apologize for going off topic and boring you. Perhaps a few of > you debaters out there will grow to understand me :) > > Thanks, > Charles > > > "Billy Smart" wrote in message > news:3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com... > > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > > domesticated animal. > > > > As far as those plastic hives, I have never used any of them but I've > > read/heard of problems with warpage as they age. Also, bees generally > > don't like plastic. I think the big advantage to those plastic hives was > > the insulating qualities. If you live in the extreme regions to the > > North that requires extensive wrapping for winter then those hives > > offered some advantage. Either way, the warping will cause problems > > eventually. I recommend you stay away from them. > > > > Billy Smart > > Rock, KS > > > > Ccdrogan wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > > > > > Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be > doing > > > this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave > your > > > climate controled home :) > > > > > > Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof > underwear. > > > > > > "Oliver Frank" wrote in message > > > news:ah7vm4$sh3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > > > > If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have > > > > invented trees. > > > > > > > Article 32879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:59:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.121.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027101560 12.86.121.208 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:59:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:59:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32879 I think they are very docile "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:kpkngusmnaf1u99jhkh0o0onuha2tmuvhk@4ax.com... > The New Focussed me. > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > not used. > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > peaceable. > > Steve Newport > Great Britain > Centre of the Footballing World. > 'Bring on Brazil!' > Article 32880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Lines: 306 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:39:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.121.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027103945 12.86.121.208 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:39:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:39:05 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32880 Hello all, First of all let me apologize for this, but the debater inside of me can't let this one loose. Oliver Frank wrote : >"If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have invented trees" To which I replied: "Hmmm.... interesting logic... >Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing >this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your >climate controled home :) > >Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear." To which Frank Smart replied: > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > domesticated animal. Now since Frank was not the origin of the first statement I will accept him sidestepping my line of questioning to the original statement and taking issue with one of my own statements.... but: "do·mes·ti·cate Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt) tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates 1.. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. 3.. 1.. To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human environment and be of use to humans. 2.. To introduce and accustom (an animal or plant) into another region; naturalize. 4.. To bring down to the level of the ordinary person. " Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=domesticated So I with great ease say that #2, #3a, #3b, definitely apply to the domesticated honeybee. A strong arguement could be made that ever single definition listed above could apply, but I will save that for furture inquiries if requested :) But then I found this interesting bit of info: "hon·ey·bee Pronunciation Key (hn-b) n. Any of several social bees of the genus Apis that produce honey, especially A. mellifera, widely domesticated as a source of honey and beeswax. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Honeybee \Hon"ey*bee`\, n. (Zo["o]l.) Any bee of the genus Apis, which lives in communities and collects honey, esp. the common domesticated hive bee (Apis mellifica), the Italian bee (A. ligustica), and the Arabiab bee (A. fasciata). The two latter are by many entomologists considered only varieties of the common hive bee. Each swarm of bees consists of a large number of workers (barren females), with, ordinarily, one queen or fertile female, but in the swarming season several young queens, and a number of males or drones, are produced. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Honeybee n : social bee often domesticated for the honey it produces [syn: Apis mellifera] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University" Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=Honeybee Now as you can see in EVERY definition of the honeybee, it states that they are domesticated by humans. Now that is not to say that there are now "wild" or "feral" bees, but that some are domesticated by man. Frank, Oliver.... I hope I didn't tick either of you off... I am just a happy go lucky guy that likes a good debate and happen to find one here. Group... I apologize for going off topic and boring you. Perhaps a few of you debaters out there will grow to understand me :) Thanks, Charles "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com... > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > domesticated animal. > > As far as those plastic hives, I have never used any of them but I've > read/heard of problems with warpage as they age. Also, bees generally > don't like plastic. I think the big advantage to those plastic hives was > the insulating qualities. If you live in the extreme regions to the > North that requires extensive wrapping for winter then those hives > offered some advantage. Either way, the warping will cause problems > eventually. I recommend you stay away from them. > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS > > Ccdrogan wrote: > > > > Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > > > Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing > > this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your > > climate controled home :) > > > > Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear. > > > > "Oliver Frank" wrote in message > > news:ah7vm4$sh3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > > > If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have > > > invented trees. > > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:G1YZ8.110757$UT.7115352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello all, > > First of all let me apologize for this, but the debater inside of me can't > let this one loose. > > Oliver Frank wrote : > >"If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have invented > trees" > > > To which I replied: > > "Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > >Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing > >this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your > >climate controled home :) > > > >Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear." > > > To which Frank Smart replied: > > > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > > domesticated animal. > > Now since Frank was not the origin of the first statement I will accept him > sidestepping my line of questioning to the original statement and taking > issue with one of my own statements.... but: > > > "do·mes·ti·cate Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt) > tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates > 1.. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. > 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. > 3.. > 1.. To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human > environment and be of use to humans. > 2.. To introduce and accustom (an animal or plant) into another region; > naturalize. > 4.. To bring down to the level of the ordinary person. " > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=domesticated > > So I with great ease say that #2, #3a, #3b, definitely apply to the > domesticated honeybee. A strong arguement could be made that ever single > definition listed above could apply, but I will save that for furture > inquiries if requested :) > > But then I found this interesting bit of info: > > > "hon·ey·bee Pronunciation Key (hn-b) > n. > Any of several social bees of the genus Apis that produce honey, > especially A. mellifera, widely domesticated as a source of honey and > beeswax. > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, > Fourth Edition > Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Honeybee > > \Hon"ey*bee`\, n. (Zo["o]l.) Any bee of the genus Apis, which lives in > communities and collects honey, esp. the common domesticated hive bee (Apis > mellifica), the Italian bee (A. ligustica), and the Arabiab bee (A. > fasciata). The two latter are by many entomologists considered only > varieties of the common hive bee. Each swarm of bees consists of a large > number of workers (barren females), with, ordinarily, one queen or fertile > female, but in the swarming season several young queens, and a number of > males or drones, are produced. > Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, > Inc. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Honeybee > > n : social bee often domesticated for the honey it produces [syn: Apis > mellifera] > Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University" > > > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=Honeybee > > > Now as you can see in EVERY definition of the honeybee, it states that they > are domesticated by humans. Now that is not to say that there are now > "wild" or "feral" bees, but that some are domesticated by man. > > > Frank, Oliver.... I hope I didn't tick either of you off... I am just a > happy go lucky guy that likes a good debate and happen to find one here. > Group... I apologize for going off topic and boring you. Perhaps a few of > you debaters out there will grow to understand me :) > > Thanks, > Charles > > > "Billy Smart" wrote in message > news:3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com... > > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > > domesticated animal. > > > > As far as those plastic hives, I have never used any of them but I've > > read/heard of problems with warpage as they age. Also, bees generally > > don't like plastic. I think the big advantage to those plastic hives was > > the insulating qualities. If you live in the extreme regions to the > > North that requires extensive wrapping for winter then those hives > > offered some advantage. Either way, the warping will cause problems > > eventually. I recommend you stay away from them. > > > > Billy Smart > > Rock, KS > > > > Ccdrogan wrote: > > > > > > Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > > > > > Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be > doing > > > this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave > your > > > climate controled home :) > > > > > > Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof > underwear. > > > > > > "Oliver Frank" wrote in message > > > news:ah7vm4$sh3$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > > > > If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have > > > > invented trees. > > > > > > > Article 32881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: mini debate on :) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:01:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32881 Ccdrogan wrote: > > Hello all, > > First of all let me apologize for this, but the debater inside of me can't > let this one loose. > > Oliver Frank wrote : > >"If God had meant bees to live in plastic hives he wouldn't have invented > trees" > > To which I replied: > > "Hmmm.... interesting logic... > > >Originally bees weren't domesticated either... should we then not be doing > >this? What about how we used to live in caves... you ready to leave your > >climate controled home :) > > > >Just following your logic :) as I am putting on my flame proof underwear." > > To which Frank Smart replied: > > > Honeybees aren't domesticated. They remain as wild and uncontrolled as > > they have been for millions of years. Humankind's involvement has done > > little to change this. The fact we can hive them doesn't make them a > > domesticated animal. > > Now since Frank was not the origin of the first statement I think your confused. Oliver Frank was the origin of the first statement. There is no Frank Smart, at least not in this thread. I will accept him > sidestepping my line of questioning to the original statement and taking > issue with one of my own statements If by this you are referring to the beemax I did address that question. You would of had to read beyond the first few lines of my response however. I'll leave it to you to go back and re-read my original response. .... but: > > "do·mes·ti·cate Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt) > tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates > 1.. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. So by hiving the bees in a facility of our own design and for our own convienience we are making the bees more comfortable that they would be if they were holed up in some hollow tree? Don't think so. The bees don't even know the difference and don't care. > 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. So what are we doing to the bees to make them "fit for domestic life"? We put them in a hive to make them more managable, but we don't do anything to the bees. > 3.. > 1.. To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human > environment and be of use to humans. We don't train honeybees. We train ourselves in the ways of the honeybee and position our own behavior to take advantage of the honeybee's ancient biology. Ever try to train a bee to pollinate only certain flowers? Good luck. Humans are the ones being trained here, not honeybees. > 2.. To introduce and accustom (an animal or plant) into another region; > naturalize. This is the only point you make that could be considered a valid argument in your favor. However the bee literature contradicts this. I have read many time in many differing sources by established honeybee researchers that honeybees are wild animals and are not to be considered domesticated like cows, pigs, chickens and so forth. > 4.. To bring down to the level of the ordinary person. " > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=domesticated > > So I with great ease say that #2, #3a, #3b, definitely apply to the > domesticated honeybee. A strong arguement could be made that ever single > definition listed above could apply, but I will save that for furture > inquiries if requested :) > > But then I found this interesting bit of info: > > "hon·ey·bee Pronunciation Key (hn-b) > n. > Any of several social bees of the genus Apis that produce honey, > especially A. mellifera, widely domesticated as a source of honey and > beeswax. > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, > Fourth Edition > Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Honeybee > > \Hon"ey*bee`\, n. (Zo["o]l.) Any bee of the genus Apis, which lives in > communities and collects honey, esp. the common domesticated hive bee (Apis > mellifica), the Italian bee (A. ligustica), and the Arabiab bee (A. > fasciata). The two latter are by many entomologists considered only > varieties of the common hive bee. Each swarm of bees consists of a large > number of workers (barren females), with, ordinarily, one queen or fertile > female, but in the swarming season several young queens, and a number of > males or drones, are produced. > Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, > Inc. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Honeybee > > n : social bee often domesticated for the honey it produces [syn: Apis > mellifera] > Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University" > > Source: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=Honeybee > > Now as you can see in EVERY definition of the honeybee, it states that they > are domesticated by humans. Now that is not to say that there are now > "wild" or "feral" bees, but that some are domesticated by man. > > Frank, Oliver.... I hope I didn't tick either of you off... I am just a > happy go lucky guy that likes a good debate and happen to find one here. > Group... I apologize for going off topic and boring you. Perhaps a few of > you debaters out there will grow to understand me :) > > Thanks, > Charles > Dictionaries are certainly not my first choice of reference for information on honeybees. Tomes such as "The Hive and Honeybee" and "The ABC and XYZ of Beekeeping" contradict your position that honeybees are "domesticated". I stand by my statement. If I would take a timber wolf from the wilds of Alaska or Canada and pen him up in a cage in my back yard, then by your definition he would be "domesticated". In reality, however, he would be very much a wild animal. The same is true for honeybees. BILLY Smart Rock, KS Article 32882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: welaine3@shaw.ca (elaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: toxic waterproofing agents Date: 19 Jul 2002 13:02:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <77108537.0207191202.3a2efcda@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027108921 15711 127.0.0.1 (19 Jul 2002 20:02:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2002 20:02:01 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32882 Just finished building a deck which is located in close proximity to where the hives are in the back yard. There are so many waterproofing agents on the market now some of which are toxic to bees. Has any one had any trouble using a product called "Thompson's Ultra-Waterseal". Any suggestions for alternative products would be appreciated. Article 32883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: toxic waterproofing agents X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D38779F.8997BB52@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <77108537.0207191202.3a2efcda@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:33:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uunet!sea.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32883 There are only two wood preservatives that I know of that are appropriate for use on beehives: Copper Napthinate(sp?) and Penetrol. But as as far as your deck is concerned I think you can use the Thompson with no ill effect to the nearby bee hives. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS elaine wrote: > > Just finished building a deck which is located in close proximity to > where the hives are in the back yard. There are so many waterproofing > agents on the market now some of which are toxic to bees. Has any one > had any trouble using a product called "Thompson's Ultra-Waterseal". > Any suggestions for alternative products would be appreciated. Article 32884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lovemgrfan@aol.com (LovemgrFan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jul 2002 21:26:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Message-ID: <20020719172622.06523.00000681@mb-fg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32884 Thanks, Steve! I'm a newbee and learning lots by reading books, the web and these discussion groups, but it's the little questions like "how much water?" that fall through the cracks of all that information. My first mistake was not feeding syrup to my bees. (I bought an existing hive body, bottom and top board and queen + Bees in May). They were very crowded, since before selling the beekeeper requeened. I quickly added a second brood chamber. Just by dumb luck, I pulled a frame from brood #1 and couldn't get it back in so I exchanged it with a frame of foundation and put the full frame in brood box #2. Nothing much went on for a month. Then I read George Imries website and found out I should be feeding them syrup in order to get new comb drawn out.....Ok, so I got off to a bad start, but now they're downing a quart of syrup in less than a day and building and filling all the new comb.I have added a super and they have started on that...BUT goof number 2, I put on a queen excluder and had nothing going on in that super for a month. I finally removed it and the bees moved right up and started drawing and filling that new comb. I bought 2 hives in May, 2 hives in June and 2 in July. I put a second brood box on all right away, and all but 2 are in the first super. Article 32885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:02:48 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbYRZaJMUpWqJWawepQIJKjtx5Do8QAoBXy67my4/A0DCOEI3/sAtyC X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2002 22:03:35 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32885 >> 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. > > So what are we doing to the bees to make them "fit for domestic life"? > We put them in a hive to make them more managable, but we don't do > anything to the bees. Good topic for debate! I'll add something for consideration. Most beekeepers DO "do something" to the bees. They treat them with chemicals and drugs. In the feral, they would either die or deal with the malady on their own. So in this case, they are living different when in our hives. On the other hand, I tend to agree with Billy on the whole, though. Regards, Barry Article 32886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Mondjack" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasps in sandbox? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:25:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.193.161.196 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1027117543 216.193.161.196 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:25:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:25:43 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32886 I got a call from a church with a children's playground. The custodian said "bees" were hovering all over the sand but not landing. After checking it out I discovered some kind of wasp, black with a little white marking (but not a hornet) flying all over the 10 ft. square sand box. They would land and dig little burrows kicking out the sand like a rodent digging a hole, they would enter the little tunnel they dug but then back themselves out and fly around. I'm not an entomologist and can't identify them. Anyone have any experience or idea about this? Bill Mondjack Article 32887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:19:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027124363 12.86.120.215 (Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:19:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:19:23 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32887 > > Dictionaries are certainly not my first choice of reference for > information on honeybees. Tomes such as "The Hive and Honeybee" and "The > ABC and XYZ of Beekeeping" contradict your position that honeybees are > "domesticated". I stand by my statement. If I would take a timber wolf > from the wilds of Alaska or Canada and pen him up in a cage in my back > yard, then by your definition he would be "domesticated". In reality, > however, he would be very much a wild animal. The same is true for > honeybees. > > BILLY Smart > Rock, KS No... but if you take that timber wolf and selectivly breed him to bring out x, y and z qualities over several generations you will have a domesticated version of that wolf. As we do with honey bees :) Article 32888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8d2_8.111585$UT.7148334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:33:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027125188 12.86.120.215 (Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:33:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:33:08 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32888 > > "do·mes·ti·cate Pronunciation Key (d-mst-kt) > > tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates > > 1.. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. > > So by hiving the bees in a facility of our own design and for our own > convienience we are making the bees more comfortable that they would be > if they were holed up in some hollow tree? Don't think so. The bees > don't even know the difference and don't care. As with definitions, not all apply to the case you are refering to... as is this particular one. > > > 2.. To adopt or make fit for domestic use or life. > > So what are we doing to the bees to make them "fit for domestic life"? > We put them in a hive to make them more managable, but we don't do > anything to the bees. To make them more managable that is making them more fit for domestic use. By selective breeding of queens we are making them more fit for domestic use etc.. > > > 3.. > > 1.. To train or adapt (an animal or plant) to live in a human > > environment and be of use to humans. > > We don't train honeybees. We train ourselves in the ways of the honeybee > and position our own behavior to take advantage of the honeybee's > ancient biology. Ever try to train a bee to pollinate only certain > flowers? Good luck. Humans are the ones being trained here, not > honeybees. We don't train cows either, we just feed them in a fence and reap the meat. We do adapt the bees to live in a human environment and to be of use to humans... if that weren't so this group would not exist. As to the adapting part, again, I refer you to the manipulation of feedings, selective breeding etc... > > > 2.. To introduce and accustom (an animal or plant) into another region; > > naturalize. > > This is the only point you make that could be considered a valid > argument in your favor. However the bee literature contradicts this. I > have read many time in many differing sources by established honeybee > researchers that honeybees are wild animals and are not to be considered > domesticated like cows, pigs, chickens and so forth. > Please site these sources of bee lit. I have a hard time to see the difference between say a pig and a bee. Both are raised by humans, both are housed by humans, both are used for human consumption/use. If a "domesticated" pig were to escape the farm, he would do just about as good surviving in the wild as a "domesticated bee." Don't believe me? There are many places that pigs were imported and were already domesticated, some escaped and became feral, much like the domesticated honeybee. Although I don't think that feral pigs have had as bad of a wipe out from natural disease as the feral bees have, thus the pig may actually be more suited for feral life than the bee. This same arguement can be said for horses, and probably even chickens. Article 32889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Paint Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:35:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027125306 12.86.120.215 (Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:35:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:35:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32889 I am wanting to coat the outside of my hive with a clear coating so the wood grain still shows... I see some stuff out there that is stain and outer coat all in one... Can someone give me exactly to look for and any things that I shouldn't use? Thanks Article 32890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: 20 Jul 2002 03:39:09 GMT Lines: 123 Message-ID: References: <7n8vguk1uutd20cqfttbj1gv604s5537em@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.162 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027136349 28513415 216.167.143.162 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.162!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:159576 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32890 Cea Smith of Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote on June 18, 2002 > So Charlie Kroeger, the coffee flower is fertilised As It opens. But does it stay open after that? I believe what you've described is true for all flowing plants attractive to bees. I know that pumpkin blossoms open only for a short time in the early morning, not the best time for pollinators to be active, but bees start early, making them the best choice for insect pollination of that particular plant. > this at all comparable to melons or corn? Melons yes..corn is different, I think the wind does it for corn (maize in the U.S.) although bees will 'collect' pollen from corn tassels. (hence the evil of "Pencap" but that's another post) >There are not any misformed coffee beans as I pick. OK, fair enough, but something so small may not reveal it's differences to the naked eye. What about 'yields' in terms of mass and density? > So could you cite the source for your discussion here? Or cite one > source? My experience with renting out bees to pollinate watermelons, cantaloupes, and pumpkins..a couple of farmer's views, no 'white papers' I can point you to, off hand. However, they also 'reluctantly' admitted their yields were also higher per plant. (after it was determined I wouldn't use this information as an excuse to increase pollination fees..farmers are like coyotes) So basically with increased insect pollination in the form of bees they had 'better' looking melons and pumpkins, and more of them. > True, I agree, if the flower is able to be cross pollinated but..... > coffee is not. It is fertile when it opens. The stamen has done its > work before the bee approaches. really..so that fragrant blossom is just for the enjoyment of the coffee planter? > I believe in bees too and would like to know, actually what the plant > gets from having that sweet Jasmine-type flower. The arrival of pollinating insects, I suspect. Plants are not stupid you know. > aloha, > Cea Smith doesn't that mean 'hello'? C.K. p.s. sorry to be so long in answering this post..was off for a month travelling around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Alan of "Coffee for Connoisseurs" said: >The "surplus" is mostly Robusta. There is no more quality Arabica >available than there ever has been. (Probably less, in fact.) Humm..it is true there are 'two' types of coffee in the world, Arabica and Robusta. Arabica beans, grown at higher altitudes produce the best flavored and aromatic beans. The CoffeeResearch.org estimates that Robusta consists of less than ONE-FOURTH of the world's coffee production, and describes it as "more 'robust' than the Arabica plants, but produces an inferior tasting beverage with a higher caffeine content, allotting that is has its place in certain blends, especially in espresso. I suspect a lot of blending is occurring when Robusta is selling at 31 cents (USD) a pound (may 2001 prices) According to a journalist called Robert Collier working for the San Francisco Chronicle The plummet in Robusta prices has had a 'ripple' effect of the global coffee market where he says, "The price decline of Robusta beans also dragged down the price of arabica beans" If this is the case, why isn't the price in the stores 'lower'? (that was only a rhetorical question folks) If a poor country like Viet Nam can screw up the cozy 'coffee cartel' in South America, that's fine with me. I just want the cheaper prices passed along; what's wrong with that? Instead of the distributors doing well when the producers have to be subject to the 'market'. This situation is similiar to what happens to large honey producers. >Even if the producers (primarily >smallholders in Vietnam) could sell direct to you via the internet, you >>wouldn't want to buy it. Oh really? who says. If the Vietnamese coffee farmers can ship it to America and still sell it for 31 cents a pound I would be glad to buy a couple of hundred weight. I bet $62 bucks goes a long way in Viet Nam. I know the "Nike" shoe factory pays their Viet Nam workers 2 USD a day; I guess they're wondering who won the war? I also bet I could roast and blend coffee as well as you. I know that teenagers at a place called "Roasters" in Amarillo, Texas roast coffee there until it smells like a tire factory. I'm confident I can do better, no matter what kind of bean it is..hummmm, and that increased caffeine doesn't sound too bad. >Plus which coffee does NOT come from the tree roasted, ground >and packaged. wow!..I didn't know that. C.K. Article 32891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:26:31 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> <8d2_8.111585$UT.7148334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 40.ff.42.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 20 Jul 2002 04:31:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca6-feed1.news.algx.net!dca1-feed1.news.algx.net!dfw3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32891 I made the original comment on plastic bee equipment speaking from 32 years of experience with beekeeping. I have or have had in my apiaries: duragilt, plastic midrib, Pierco, and numerous other plastic frames and foundations; Kelly plastic supers, tops and bottoms, and other miscellaneous plastic hive stuff.... most not bought but merely acquired... and those 32 years of experience with all that plastic stuff has again and again reaffirmed my original opinion... it's for the most part ...crap. I won't go into details on how each type of plastic infrastructure has failed me and the bees, but....Wood hives are stronger and hold up better if protected from rot... and bees draw out and maintain all wax combs better than any part plastic combs. In fact, I'm totally unsure that God even exists .... Article 32892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <7n8vguk1uutd20cqfttbj1gv604s5537em@4ax.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 39 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:26:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1027146411 209.204.149.244 (Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:26:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:26:51 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:159588 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32892 In article , Charlie Kroeger wrote: > I suspect a lot of blending is occurring when Robusta is > selling at 31 cents (USD) a pound (may 2001 prices) According to a > journalist called Robert Collier working for the San Francisco Chronicle > The plummet in Robusta prices has had a 'ripple' effect of the global > coffee market where he says, "The price decline of Robusta beans also > dragged down the price of arabica beans" > > If this is the case, why isn't the price in the > stores 'lower'? (that was only a rhetorical question folks) Heh... Too easy: Coffee Broker: The price of raw beans has just doubled. Coffee Exec: Jack up the prices, we need to make more $$! Coffee Drinker: Jesus but these prices are ridiculous! Hope they come back down soon! Coffee Broker: The price of raw beans has just dropped 87% Coffee Exec: Screw it. They're paying the 400% markup. Jack it up some more. Coffee Lackey: But won't they stop buying? Coffee Exec: Who cares? The hard-core ones are still gonna buy, and with the higher price, we still make more money. Coffee Drinker: Weird... Newspaper says the price of coffee beans is falling through the floor. How come my can of grounds still costs 18 bucks? Coffee Exec: Buwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!! The moral of our little story? "Once you jack up the price and the people will still pay it, *NEVER EVER* lower it again." -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps in sandbox? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:31:14 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-673.stoked.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1027151070 25005 62.25.190.161 (20 Jul 2002 07:44:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 07:44:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32893 Sounds like solitary wasps digging nests. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Bill Mondjack" wrote in message news:Hl0_8.686$Qb2.781646@monger.newsread.com... > I got a call from a church with a children's playground. The custodian said > "bees" were hovering all over the sand but not landing. After checking it > out I discovered some kind of wasp, black with a little white marking (but > not a hornet) flying all over the 10 ft. square sand box. They would land > and dig little burrows kicking out the sand like a rodent digging a hole, > they would enter the little tunnel they dug but then back themselves out and > fly around. I'm not an entomologist and can't identify them. Anyone have any > experience or idea about this? > Bill Mondjack > > Article 32894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:33:29 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-673.stoked.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1027151071 25005 62.25.190.161 (20 Jul 2002 07:44:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 07:44:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32894 UK ones are generally docile. Most aggressive in my experience is lapidarius (the black one with the red tail). -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:YrYZ8.110794$UT.7118109@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I think they are very docile > > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:kpkngusmnaf1u99jhkh0o0onuha2tmuvhk@4ax.com... > > The New Focussed me. > > > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > > not used. > > > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > > peaceable. > > > > Steve Newport > > Great Britain > > Centre of the Footballing World. > > 'Bring on Brazil!' > > > > Article 32895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: stoh@localnet.com (shauna) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Date: 20 Jul 2002 03:36:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.15.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027161402 20193 127.0.0.1 (20 Jul 2002 10:36:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 10:36:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32895 Hi all -- I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for about a month and a half, until last night. So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, straight out of the woods and into the backyard. Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it ain't so. thanks for your help! shauna Article 32896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:50:43 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-036.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:711 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32896 I'm a bit of a newbee and I have never heard of a "protective clothing pattern" used with bees. I was always under the assumption that pure white was the best. Are patterns more effective than pure white? "Wombat" wrote in message news:jMe_8.286$SA3.29217@wards... > Does anyone know where I can get hold of some protective clothing > pattern designs for my friend to make for my beekeeping hobbie. > > Thanks > > Article 32897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wombat" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:47:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.158.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards 1027176591 195.166.158.123 (Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:49:51 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:49:51 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!landlord!wards.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:712 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32897 Does anyone know where I can get hold of some protective clothing pattern designs for my friend to make for my beekeeping hobbie. Thanks Article 32898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:56:24 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-036.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:713 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32898 Sorry, I feel pretty silly now. I realized after I posted that you meant a design pattern for cutting OUT of cloth not a colored design ON the cloth. My wife and I just purchased simple white coveralls (for about $20 (U.S.) apiece. We added bee veils and rose gloves and were totally covered. "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:ahbtcl$evc$1@ins22.netins.net... > I'm a bit of a newbee and I have never heard of a "protective clothing > pattern" used with bees. I was always under the assumption that pure white > was the best. Are patterns more effective than pure white? > > "Wombat" wrote in message > news:jMe_8.286$SA3.29217@wards... > > Does anyone know where I can get hold of some protective clothing > > pattern designs for my friend to make for my beekeeping hobbie. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Article 32899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: 20 Jul 2002 17:18:34 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> <8d2_8.111585$UT.7148334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.24 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027185514 29488248 216.167.143.24 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.24!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32899 "Oliver Frank" wrote in news:ahap3e$a8m$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net: > I made the original comment on plastic bee equipment speaking from 32 > years of experience with beekeeping. > and those 32 years of experience with all that plastic > stuff has again and again reaffirmed my original opinion... it's for > the most part ...crap. It's like the old saying if all you have is a hammer..then pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail..plastic frames and foundation were inevitable especially promoted among the 'tighter' set. Just think of 'perfectly' straight combs and strength for those impatient extraction speeds. Nothing is ever mentioned about the pollution inside the hive these types of frames cause. They are always made of the 'cheaper' plastics, you know those plastics with the 'high' recycle numbers. These plastics are considered unstable enough by some consumer advocate groups (like Mothers and Others) to issue a warning against their use in the home. The reason: estrogen like reactions in the environment. These types of plastics 'fume' constantly. (vinyl for instance) If there was a 'plastic' frame made of "nylon" or one of the carbon based materials, (materials that keep their molecules to themselves) and these types of frames would be able to be boiled in water, without damage, I would find them worth a test. However they would have to be designed to allow 'free-er' passage for the bees along the edge of the foundation rather like wax foundation does now, not like those plastic frames that take up all the space in a hive, or those lame solutions like neat round 'holes' in plastic based foundation like "dura glit". Another thing, small hives and swarms do not take to plastic well. This is never mentioned. The 'success' stories one hears is related to large hives having these types of frames added during a heavy and continuos nectar flow. > In fact, I'm totally unsure that God even exists .... What thinking man is there who still requires the hypothesis of a God. (Friedrich Nietzsche) C.K. Article 32900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:51:03 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027187465 29318520 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32900 The University of TN has been training bees to pollinate dogwoods (seems to be working) in order to create hybrids of desirable plants. The army has apparently trained them to sniff out bombs (with mini GPS devices, so they can find them, I suppose). Now food companies are using them to sniff out any bad fruit in containers. "Billy Smart" wrote: > We don't train honeybees. We train ourselves in the ways of the honeybee > and position our own behavior to take advantage of the honeybee's > ancient biology. Ever try to train a bee to pollinate only certain > flowers? Good luck. Humans are the ones being trained here, not > honeybees. Article 32901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:54:07 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027187649 29147405 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32901 But, if you bred that timber wolf for thousands of years, you might eventually have a usable guard dog (even though he might still bite you). Same for bees -- natural selection has not been the only process at work for those that are commonly kept (esp in Europe). "Billy Smart" > ...If I would take a timber wolf > from the wilds of Alaska or Canada and pen him up in a cage in my back > yard, then by your definition he would be "domesticated". In reality, > however, he would be very much a wild animal. The same is true for > honeybees. Article 32902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tiger tail queen Date: 20 Jul 2002 11:02:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027188174 22951 127.0.0.1 (20 Jul 2002 18:02:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 18:02:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32902 I reared some queens cells for some increase colonies I was making up. I took the eggs from a carniolain queened hive. The beeyard had carniolain mostly, and a few Italians. Two weeks after installation of the cells I checked for queen acceptance and brood patern. Most queens were accepted and brooding well. In one hive I seen a queen I never seen before. It was the size of an Italian, but had "Tiger markings" on its abdomen. It was brooding very well and I thought nothing of it. On the cover of the June issue of Bee Culture, I seen the exact same queen I have in my hive. The cover quote says it is a Tiger tail queen. I have never heard of one of these before. I am wondering if it is the cross between carniolian and Italian? I wonder of the charaterisitics it posses? If anyone out there knows of this type of queen, can you feed my ceriosity. Ian Article 32903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Michael Vautour" From: "Michael Vautour" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:43:57 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.203.16.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 1027187037 24.203.16.145 (Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:43:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:43:57 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32903 Hello Shauna; From my experiences up here in Canada, we set up small electrical fence perimeters around our hives to protect against bear and small rodent (i.e. raccoons, squirrels, etc...) attacks on the hives. These fences are electrically charged by a portable, rechargeable battery. Since we have started to use these electrical fence perimeters around the hives, we have only had one successful bear attack, and that was because the battery had died before being able to replace it with a fully charged one. I am not sure of the exact prices of the system, it obviously varies with the amount of wiring and perimeter of the hive area. We usually set up a perimeter of about 10 to 15 feet away from the nearest hives and it seems to work well. As to moving of the bees, we move ours sometimes hundreds of miles to different locations for polenisation. As long as the hives are well prepared (i.e. smoking, followed by blocking of the hive entrance and strapping of the whole hive to keep it from coming apart during the move) we have had few bee losses. It is better to do the moves late at night when it is much cooler and most of the bees have entered the hive for warmth. Once the move has been done you should let the hives sit for a while before removing the blocker of the hive entrance, that way they will calm down a bit. One thing that we have noticed during the moves is that the vibrations from the truck seems to calm them down. It is only once we have reached our destination that they seem to become a little more agitated, hence the wait before open the entrance. I hope this may help a bit, Michael "shauna" wrote in message news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... > Hi all -- > I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the > course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close > to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they > had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining > remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I > figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer > the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read > that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, > several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards > that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a > blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for > about a month and a half, until last night. > > So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, > and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new > site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been > making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to > nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, > I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will > actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, > straight out of the woods and into the backyard. > > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > ain't so. > > thanks for your help! > shauna Article 32904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: 20 Jul 2002 18:13:28 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.24 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027188808 29634619 216.167.143.24 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.24!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:715 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32904 "Patrick Dugan" wrote in news:ahbtnc$ae9$1@ins22.netins.net: > My wife and I just purchased simple white coveralls (for about $20 > (U.S.) apiece. We added bee veils and rose gloves and were totally > covered. This won't be good enough for a large aggressive AHB hive. You can of course find this out for yourselves, but it is the purpose of this group to disseminate knowledge gained from experience. If you're living in an area that will be unlikely to have 'africanized' bees, then you'll be ok, but then, maybe not. If one is a skilled seamstress or tailor, a pattern can be 'reverse engineered' from an old pair of coveralls purchased at a DAV (Disabled American Vetrans) or similar for a dollar or two. (cheaper than buying a pattern) The best material I think, is this gossamer-like white (parachute) nylon. It is so 'slick' the bees can't 'land' on it, yet it's quite tough..before the bees can sink in their stingers they have to get a grip. This material saves a lot of bee lives and keeps the alarm pheromones, from countless pumping stingers, to a minimum. Granted it 'breathes' less than cotton, and will feel hotter, but not that hotter if the suit is a loose fit. The essence of this type of suit is to be able to 'attach' the veil to the suit with a zipper. and be able to tie off the legs to the top of one's substantial boot tops. Those old boot 'blousing' garters in the Marines would be useful for this, but I never see them available anymore. If anyone knows where they still sell them, post away. Although I know nothing about 'rose' gloves, gloves made of leather like, deer,goat,elk, or cow skin, used on a hot day for an extended period of time, will absorb sweat to the point they become soaked through. The leather then becomes quite soft and the bees seem to 'understand' this and move in. Use a tough but loose fitting 'rubber' glove. I use "nitrile"; tougher and more supple than those 'dipped-in-plastic' cloth gloves sold by some bee suppliers. Yes, your hands will be swimming in sweat after a long session (one hour) in the heat, but you won't get stung. Maybe you want to get stung..some people do. C.K. Article 32905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fd@lll.com (FD) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? Date: 20 Jul 2002 12:02:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.4.106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027191779 27797 127.0.0.1 (20 Jul 2002 19:02:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 19:02:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32905 Hello: I live in the SW Denver area and am looking for fellow local beekeepers to obtain pointers specific to the area, with its difficult conditions. Specifically, hive choices, bee races/hybrid, cold winter issues, very hot summer issues, short season/low flower count issues... Thanks FD "Logic has made me hated among men" - Pierre Abelard du Palet Article 32906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:00:26 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027195228 28758879 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:716 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32906 You can buy velcro straps that work about as well (although they don't look as nice) at most hunting/sports stores. I've even seen them in fabric stores. Get the real ones at army surplus stores, possibly. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message Those > old boot 'blousing' garters in the Marines would be useful for this, but > I never see them available anymore. If anyone knows where they still > sell them, post away Article 32907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Psithyrus Rupestris; Black Bee Ginger Tail? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:31:51 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2795.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1027200244 27915 217.135.218.235 (20 Jul 2002 21:24:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 21:24:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32907 We are currently trying to halt a major development on an open countryside site. Our experts in wildlife and insect population have identified the above Bee and made the following comments: ". When we were walking the field we saw a large black bee with a gingery red tail. I have it clearly on the video tape and have identified it as Psithyrus rupestris, a species of cuckoo bee which I think is a Nationally Notable species and is listed in the UK Biodiversity Action Plan as a species of conservation concern, though its status needs checking. There are, I think, 3 categories of Notables:- Cat A Nationally Notable - uncommon in Britain, occurring in 30 or fewer ten kilometre squares of the National Grid Cat B Ocurring in 31-100 ten kilometre squares Cat N. Status too poorly known, but thought to be 16 to 100 ten kilometre squares. Bee keepers will not like its presence, as it is a bee which lays its eggs in the nests of other species. Its host species is the Red-tailed Bumble Bee, Bombus Lapidarius. It resembles Bombus lapidarius, but ours very definitely was shiny and black on the back rather than hairy." Could anybody offer any more information on this beasty which may help us understand better its 'importance' / rarity?? Many thanks. Article 32908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: wolfbat359@mindspring.com (Donald L Ferrt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Date: 20 Jul 2002 14:40:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.255.215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027201244 7806 127.0.0.1 (20 Jul 2002 21:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 21:40:44 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32908 stoh@localnet.com (shauna) wrote in message news:<8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com>... > Hi all -- > I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the > course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close > to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they > had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining > remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I > figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer > the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read > that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, > several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards > that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a > blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for > about a month and a half, until last night. > > So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, > and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new > site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been > making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to > nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, > I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will > actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, > straight out of the woods and into the backyard. > > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > ain't so. > > thanks for your help! > shauna Best I ever saw was bee hives on metal poles. You can even grease the poles or so! Have to be high. With the proper ladder, you can tend to the hives as usual! The one I saw have a metal runner system with the latter with metal rollers. You could push yourself from hive to hive with no problem! Article 32909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan De Bruycker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Essex beekeeper Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:22:34 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3d39f235$0$219$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Organization: -= Skynet Usenet Service =- NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.238.6.77 X-Trace: 1027207736 reader0.news.skynet.be 219 195.238.6.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!skynet.be!louie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32909 Who can help me, I'm looking for the magazine of JUNE 2002 in PDF file of the montly magazine of the E.B.K.A. of the Essex beekeeper organisation from the website http://www.ebka.org You can send to johan.de.bruycker@skynet.be Article 32910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: msilaine@aol.com (Ilaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beemax and EZ Frames Date: 20 Jul 2002 16:53:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.100.255.122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027209191 17946 127.0.0.1 (20 Jul 2002 23:53:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 2002 23:53:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32910 We just started beekeeping this year, decided to try both plastic AND wood. Due to losing a queen and combining we now have two hives with two styrofoam deeps and wooden supers, some of which have the plastic frames, some the wooden frames. The wooden hive we were using all supers, three supers instead of two deeps, due to the weight, but figured we could carry styrofoam deeps. I don't really see much difference but as I said, this is my first year. The plastic is definitely easier, much lighter, too. It is also seems easier to clean. Haven't extracted a plastic frame yet but they actually seem sturdier because the plasticell is built in, not inserted. Article 32911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:30:47 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-036.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:720 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32911 Well we don't live south far enough for the African variety and mine are pretty docile. I've been using the coveralls all year with no problems. I have been stung (though not through the coveralls) and I don't mind the occasional sting at all. So far the bees haven't tried to sting the coveralls but go for my arms/hands or face. Last time I was stung was due to a very poor veil that had holes in it which the bees quickly found. I've also been stung while opening the hive with no protection (or smoke.) Pretty stupid I know, but one sting was pretty amazing low to me considering what I was doing. I know of several older bee keepers nearby that work their hives with only veils and no arm protection and basically a t-shirt and jeans. They end up with dozens of stings after opening and examining the hives and they and the hives seem no worse for wear. While I certainly don't want bee deaths, I won't go out of my way to completely stop that. No matter how careful I am some will occasionally die when I'm examining the hives. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:Xns9251876F15E03ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in > news:ahbtnc$ae9$1@ins22.netins.net: > > > My wife and I just purchased simple white coveralls (for about $20 > > (U.S.) apiece. We added bee veils and rose gloves and were totally > > covered. > > This won't be good enough for a large aggressive AHB hive. You can of > course find this out for yourselves, but it is the purpose of this group > to disseminate knowledge gained from experience. If you're living in an > area that will be unlikely to have 'africanized' bees, then you'll be ok, > but then, maybe not. > > If one is a skilled seamstress or tailor, a pattern can be 'reverse > engineered' from an old pair of coveralls purchased at a DAV (Disabled > American Vetrans) or similar for a dollar or two. (cheaper than buying a > pattern) > > The best material I think, is this gossamer-like white (parachute) > nylon. It is so 'slick' the bees can't 'land' on it, yet it's quite > tough..before the bees can sink in their stingers they have to get a > grip. This material saves a lot of bee lives and keeps the alarm > pheromones, from countless pumping stingers, to a minimum. > > Granted it 'breathes' less than cotton, and will feel hotter, but not > that hotter if the suit is a loose fit. The essence of this type of suit > is to be able to 'attach' the veil to the suit with a zipper. and be > able to tie off the legs to the top of one's substantial boot tops. Those > old boot 'blousing' garters in the Marines would be useful for this, but > I never see them available anymore. If anyone knows where they still > sell them, post away. > > Although I know nothing about 'rose' gloves, gloves made of leather like, > deer,goat,elk, or cow skin, used on a hot day for an extended period of > time, will absorb sweat to the point they become soaked through. The > leather then becomes quite soft and the bees seem to 'understand' this and > move in. Use a tough but loose fitting 'rubber' glove. I use "nitrile"; > tougher and more supple than those 'dipped-in-plastic' cloth gloves sold > by some bee suppliers. Yes, your hands will be swimming in sweat after a > long session (one hour) in the heat, but you won't get stung. > > Maybe you want to get stung..some people do. > > C.K. > Article 32912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mini debate on :) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:59:44 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3D383011.2B47E5C1@boeing.com> <3D386203.75C509D4@boeing.com> <8d2_8.111585$UT.7148334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVagQMgcBcZ94w88iC4X6SPBu7NT8+/gXkQcnDYuwzwARKsovfnTUqhD X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 2002 03:00:31 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32912 > From: Charlie Kroeger >> In fact, I'm totally unsure that God even exists .... It's obvious that Friedrich Nietzsche is unsure also. He has a hypothesis that God doesn't exist. > What thinking man is there who still requires the hypothesis of > a God. (Friedrich Nietzsche) > > C.K. Article 32913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wombat" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Lines: 96 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:21:46 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.158.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards 1027239834 195.166.158.123 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:23:54 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:23:54 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!landlord!wards.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:722 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32913 You know Patrick at first I thought you were taking the mick(making fun) of my add, but its only human to make mistake's and a better human to admit them! I want to thank you,CK,etc for your welcomed replies, for I refuse to pay 90+ pound for a glorified pair of overalls which some shops has paid a 10th of that for them probably from some 3rd world sweat shop. I think here in the UK Beekeeping equipment is well overpriced!!! It has not put me off this hobby and interest I have just started, so I will try looking for second hand equipment or try and cut the middle man and try contacting a Eastern supplier as I am not working and its the principal that matters!! If I manage to make a contact I will forward it this group. Pete Patrick Dugan wrote in message news:ahd2ss$qqk$1@ins22.netins.net... > Well we don't live south far enough for the African variety and mine are > pretty docile. I've been using the coveralls all year with no problems. I > have been stung (though not through the coveralls) and I don't mind the > occasional sting at all. So far the bees haven't tried to sting the > coveralls but go for my arms/hands or face. Last time I was stung was due > to a very poor veil that had holes in it which the bees quickly found. I've > also been stung while opening the hive with no protection (or smoke.) > Pretty stupid I know, but one sting was pretty amazing low to me considering > what I was doing. I know of several older bee keepers nearby that work > their hives with only veils and no arm protection and basically a t-shirt > and jeans. They end up with dozens of stings after opening and examining > the hives and they and the hives seem no worse for wear. While I certainly > don't want bee deaths, I won't go out of my way to completely stop that. No > matter how careful I am some will occasionally die when I'm examining the > hives. > > "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message > news:Xns9251876F15E03ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in > > news:ahbtnc$ae9$1@ins22.netins.net: > > > > > My wife and I just purchased simple white coveralls (for about $20 > > > (U.S.) apiece. We added bee veils and rose gloves and were totally > > > covered. > > > > This won't be good enough for a large aggressive AHB hive. You can of > > course find this out for yourselves, but it is the purpose of this group > > to disseminate knowledge gained from experience. If you're living in an > > area that will be unlikely to have 'africanized' bees, then you'll be ok, > > but then, maybe not. > > > > If one is a skilled seamstress or tailor, a pattern can be 'reverse > > engineered' from an old pair of coveralls purchased at a DAV (Disabled > > American Vetrans) or similar for a dollar or two. (cheaper than buying a > > pattern) > > > > The best material I think, is this gossamer-like white (parachute) > > nylon. It is so 'slick' the bees can't 'land' on it, yet it's quite > > tough..before the bees can sink in their stingers they have to get a > > grip. This material saves a lot of bee lives and keeps the alarm > > pheromones, from countless pumping stingers, to a minimum. > > > > Granted it 'breathes' less than cotton, and will feel hotter, but not > > that hotter if the suit is a loose fit. The essence of this type of suit > > is to be able to 'attach' the veil to the suit with a zipper. and be > > able to tie off the legs to the top of one's substantial boot tops. Those > > old boot 'blousing' garters in the Marines would be useful for this, but > > I never see them available anymore. If anyone knows where they still > > sell them, post away. > > > > Although I know nothing about 'rose' gloves, gloves made of leather like, > > deer,goat,elk, or cow skin, used on a hot day for an extended period of > > time, will absorb sweat to the point they become soaked through. The > > leather then becomes quite soft and the bees seem to 'understand' this and > > move in. Use a tough but loose fitting 'rubber' glove. I use "nitrile"; > > tougher and more supple than those 'dipped-in-plastic' cloth gloves sold > > by some bee suppliers. Yes, your hands will be swimming in sweat after a > > long session (one hour) in the heat, but you won't get stung. > > > > Maybe you want to get stung..some people do. > > > > C.K. > > > > Article 32914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Mondjack" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com> Subject: Re: Pounds of Honey Per Box? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:04:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.193.161.173 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1027267466 216.193.161.173 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:04:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:04:26 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32914 I always figured 25-30 lbs. in a shallow, 35-40 lbs. in a medium and about 60 lbs. in a deep. Bill Mondjack "WSkriba" wrote in message news:20020711213112.09093.00000127@mb-fp.aol.com... > Trying to settle an arguement here between a friend and I. When my dad was > keeping bees, I thought he said a deep super (9 5/8) would hold about 90 pounds > of honey and a medium (6 5/8) would hold 60 pounds. My friend swears that its > 60 pounds for the deep and 35 pounds for the medium roughly. Can someone on > this list end the arguement? Article 32915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Hive Paint (no suggestions?) Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027274412 12.86.120.215 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:12 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32915 Hmmm.... I am black balled for my debate? I hope not :) "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I am wanting to coat the outside of my hive with a clear coating so the wood > grain still shows... I see some stuff out there that is stain and outer coat > all in one... Can someone give me exactly to look for and any things that I > shouldn't use? Thanks > > Article 32916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen raising Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:01:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027274506 12.86.120.215 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:01:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:01:46 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32916 Hello, I would like direction to a good website that describes how to perform low lvl queen rearing.. basically something that does require any special equipment etc so I can raise a queen or two here and there when I need them. Thanks Article 32917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Paint (no suggestions?) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:08:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3d3b1443.793316@news1.radix.net> References: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32917 On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:12 GMT, "Ccdrogan" wrote: >Hmmm.... I am black balled for my debate? I hope not :) > >"Ccdrogan" wrote in message >news:_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> I am wanting to coat the outside of my hive with a clear coating so the >wood >> grain still shows... I see some stuff out there that is stain and outer >coat >> all in one... Can someone give me exactly to look for and any things that >I >> shouldn't use? Thanks >> >> > > We're beekeepers not outdoor furniture builders. Mabe you should look around in the boating newsgroups. They use a lot of natural wood finishes that are exposed to the elements. beekeep Article 32918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6aF_8.2793$D72.31126@eagle.america.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:53:51 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.132.33 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1027284738 64.238.132.33 (Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:52:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:52:18 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32918 I have move my hives about 30 feet without any problems, also changed there orination 90 degrees in the process. I screened blocked the entrance at night, waited a few hours for them to settle and then moved them, removed the screen before daylight and the bees are fine. I would solve the bear problem before I did the move. Here in TEXAS we don't worry about bears just the occasional skunk or racoon. "shauna" wrote in message news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... Hi all -- I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for about a month and a half, until last night. So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, straight out of the woods and into the backyard. Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it ain't so. thanks for your help! shauna Article 32919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Paint (no suggestions?) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:58:44 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 40.ff.42.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 22 Jul 2002 04:07:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32919 I have forgiven you after drying my tears... I used, 25 years, ago Varathane Oil and sealer, which has held up well, soaks in, and does not have a thick glossy coating. Also used a Varathane that makes a thick coating, also held up well. Have use Thompsons Water sealers with success. But I think latex paints allow the hive to breath better in winter. I now use an Olympic stain in olive green, or just any old left over latex paint. Apiaries in Mexico look lovely.. a mix of every left over color available. I have a few aluminum colored nucs and supers too... the space age look. Article 32920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D3B839B.4B1C4F2A@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps in sandbox? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:01:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.12 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1027317686 67.251.117.12 (Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:01:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:01:26 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32920 Bill Mondjack wrote: > > I got a call from a church with a children's playground. The custodian said > "bees" were hovering all over the sand but not landing. After checking it > out I discovered some kind of wasp, black with a little white marking (but > not a hornet) flying all over the 10 ft. square sand box. They would land > and dig little burrows kicking out the sand like a rodent digging a hole, > they would enter the little tunnel they dug but then back themselves out and > fly around. I'm not an entomologist and can't identify them. Anyone have any > experience or idea about this? > Bill Mondjack Bill, Many of the the black wasps that buzz in groups in yards are often seaching for larvae to eat from other emerging insects. I've always been told that they are beneficial to man and to let them be. I'm not sure what kind they are. We are being overrun right now with Junebugs here in North Carolina. I can see the hundreds of holes in the ground where they are emerging. Also, I have had moles this year for the first time in around 7 years. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> <6aF_8.2793$D72.31126@eagle.america.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:31:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1027348299 67.251.117.217 (Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:31:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:31:39 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32921 TRIKER wrote: > > I have move my hives about 30 feet without any problems, also changed there > orination 90 degrees in the process. I screened blocked the entrance at > night, waited a few hours for them to settle and then moved them, removed > the screen before daylight and the bees are fine. I would solve the bear > problem before I did the move. Here in TEXAS we don't worry about bears just > the occasional skunk or racoon. > > "shauna" wrote in message > news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... > Hi all -- > I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the > course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close > to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they > had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining > remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I > figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer > the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read > that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, > several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards > that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a > blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for > about a month and a half, until last night. > > So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, > and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new > site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been > making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to > nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, > I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will > actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, > straight out of the woods and into the backyard. > > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > ain't so. > > thanks for your help! > shauna Shauna, You can move hives anywhere you want as long as you do it after dusk so that all the bees are in the hive. The next day they will get their new bearings and find their home. When you move them, put a stick into the ground in front of the hive for them to 'memorize' as a landmark for their return. People haul hives miles away for pollination of orchards and crops, let the bees loose in the fields, and then haul them back home afterwards. You can move a hive in the field up, down, forward, or backward for short distances without confusing the bees. The problem for bees is when you move them sideways. Good luck with the bear. We don't have any in our immediate area (foothills of North Carolina) I don't think. Some kind of animal(s) attacked a fairly close neighbor's car last Friday and nearly tore off the fender. It also bit holes through the front metal tag. It ripped out wiring from beneath the car and removed the black shield under the fender. The prints looked like dog prints to me. I just hope that it isn't some animal that likes honey. It's a mystery. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Matthew Somers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red Flowers Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:40:24 -0400 Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: honey2.zoo.uwo.ca X-Trace: panther.uwo.ca 1027363160 7534 129.100.46.87 (22 Jul 2002 18:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uwo.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2002 18:39:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32922 That's a great question! There has been much controvercy as to whether bees can see red or not. The first thing to realize is that a flowers that may seem red to us may not to bees. It's true the photoreceptors can pick up light to about 700 nm (wavelength) which makes it difficult to see object that are pure red (>700nm), although you would rarely see such flowers in nature. Bees can also see UV and many of the flowers that are visited by bees also reflect UV (which we can't see). I was also a little ticked off when I read that article since many people still assume that bees cannot see red. I've copied an abstract that may be of interest on the subject at the bottom of this message. It;s a little on the techy side but the jist of it is...Bees can see red. "Why red flowers are not invisible to bees Chittka L, Waser NM ISRAEL JOURNAL OF PLANT SCIENCES 45 (2-3): 169-183 1997 Abstract: A pervasive idea among pollination biologists is that bees cannot see red flowers. This idea has led many workers to assume that red coloration is an adaptation by which flowers exclude bees as visitors. However, recent empirical and theoretical evidence strongly supports the alternative view, that red flowers are visible to bees. Our purpose is to marshal this evidence from physiology, behavior, and ecology. First, we define the spectral boundary between orange and red, and show that the visual spectrum of all bee species studied to date extends enough into long wavelengths to provide sensitivity to red light. Such sensitivity differs from the ability to discriminate different monochromatic lights, and we argue that bees will be unable to discriminate such lights above about 550 nm. Second, we point out that flowers do not reflect monochromatic lights. Instead many of them, particularly those that appear red, orange, yellow, and white to humans, have reflectance patterns that are essentially step functions. We predict that bees should be able to discriminate such reflectance patterns over a range of 550-550 nm, since reflectance functions with steps at such wavelengths will occupy different loci in bee color space and thus be distinguishable. In this sense, bees should distinguish between green-, yellow-, orange-, and red-reflecting objects, even if these do not reflect in shorter wavelengths (including UV). A behavioral experiment shows that bumblebees can indeed perform this task. Third, we present information on the spectral reflectance of some typical ''red'' flowers, combined with field observations of bee visitation to such flowers. We end with a preliminary reassessment of the adaptive significance of red flower coloration, using North American ''hummingbird'' flowers as an example; we also stress some of the pitfalls facing evolutionary biologists who continue to assume that bees are blind to red objects." Matt Somers Graduate Student Biology Department The Univeristy of Western Ontario Article 32923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jarl Nystrand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.67.147.138 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@nextra.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:01:06 MEST X-Trace: news2.ulv.nextra.no 1027375266 130.67.147.138 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:01:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.ifi.uio.no!Norway.EU.net!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news2.ulv.nextra.no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32923 A few days ago I read that it was possible to install a pane of glass or plexiglass in front of the hive entrance after moving. The glass should be rather close to, and extend some inches outside each side of the entrance. The bees will reorientate themselves. Some bees will fly to the old place, but return later. This was written in a book by E. B. Wedmore 80 years ago. I have not tried it myself. Jarl. "shauna" wrote in message news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... > Hi all -- > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > ain't so. > > thanks for your help! > shauna Article 32924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela and Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasps in sandbox? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:55:03 -0400 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3D3B839B.4B1C4F2A@atlas.localdomain> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaysbJYX72WKMaUWzh+cLKB05rL0lE0xYLa1V3vWFvw2tuwiSqBrYo/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 2002 22:55:02 GMT X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32924 "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D3B839B.4B1C4F2A@atlas.localdomain... > Bill Mondjack wrote: > > > > I got a call from a church with a children's playground. The custodian said > > "bees" were hovering all over the sand but not landing. After checking it > > out I discovered some kind of wasp, black with a little white marking (but > > not a hornet) flying all over the 10 ft. square sand box. They would land > > and dig little burrows kicking out the sand like a rodent digging a hole, > > they would enter the little tunnel they dug but then back themselves out and > > fly around. I'm not an entomologist and can't identify them. Anyone have any > > experience or idea about this? > > Bill Mondjack > >Bill, Those are (I Believe), Eastern Sand Wasps. The "hovering but not landing", is a mix of males and females mating. Next the female digs a hole in the sand, provisions it with a fly, and lays an egg. She will often return with more flies later to fed the developing young. Adults feed on nectar. I have heard of reports of kids being stung by them if they dig in the sand where they are nesting. I don't now how reliable such reports are. Keith Article 32925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Michael Vautour" From: "Michael Vautour" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Texas Lines: 227 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C231B4.E18C2E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:20:46 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.203.17.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@videotron.ca X-Trace: weber.videotron.net 1027380047 24.203.17.24 (Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:20:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:20:47 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32925 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C231B4.E18C2E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Y'all; I am Canadian, living in Montreal, Quebec, but am in the process of = trying to move to Texas permanently. My folks are beekeepers in New = Brunswick, and I have quite a bit of experience with them in their = beekeeping business. I was planning on opening up my own company of = beekeeping once I moved down to Texas, and was wondering if someone = might be able to answer a few questions that I have concerning = beekeeping in Texas? 1. What are the requirements of the USDA to be considered a farmer, to = be considered for the taxation benefits etc..? In Canada, if you have 50 = money making hives, which you can prove, you may claim a status of a = farmer therefore benefiting from extra advantages of this = classification. Is there something similar in the US? 2. Are there problems having Africanized bees in regular hives? I know = that they are more predominant along the southern borders of Mexico, but = since I do not know much about them, are they considered dangerous to = have integrated amongst a regular hive? 3. Unlike Canada, your winters in the southern states must be fairly = short. Do you have to do any winterizing preparations for the hives (i.e = wrapping of the hives with tar paper to keep them warm during the = coolest months)? 4. Do any of you have any personal experience using the plastic frames = and supers as compared to the wooden ones? Initial cost would be higher, = but over the long term I am sure that cost savings would be beneficial = to a beekeeper? Are there any true advantages or is it just the new fad? 5. Are there particular areas within Texas that may be more interesting = to develop a new beekeeping business? 6. Are there any other things that I should be careful of when trying to = begin in Texas (i.e. unknown laws or regulations, benefits available, = etc..)? I have asked these questions below, specific about Africanized bees, to = the AHB bee experts at the applicable department of Texas A&M. I still = haven't gotten a return response yet, probably because of the summer = vacation time for the university? Would anyone be able to shed some = light on these also? 1. If I understood the literature so far, the only danger that the AHB = provide is that they may be more aggressive when the hives are = approached? 2. If it is found that AHB have integrated into the regular EHB hives, = other than the security of the people that may be affected in the = surrounding areas of these hives, the hives should be able to produce = honey and pollinate as usual, correct? 3. Does honey production lower with the presence of AHB in normal hives? 4. Are AHB attracted to different crops comparatively to EHB? 5. If AHB have been determined to have integrated a hive, what are the = courses of action to be taken by the beekeeper? Are there state = regulations concerning this? 6. Are there special insurance policies available to beekeepers to = protect themselves legality wise from litigation against them (i.e. in = the event of severe injury or death of a person, animal or surrounding = crop)? 7. I noticed in an article that the tracking of the AHB progression into = the US was halted in 1995. Are there any other independent agencies or = entities who are still interested in or are still gathering this = information? 8. I notice from the information on your website that the AHB has not = integrated to the East of Texas. Is there a reason for that? 9. With cross-breeding of the AHB and EHB (once they have integrated = into a hive), is there a tendency of the offspring to have AHB or EHB = characteristics? The reason for the question is this, if they tend to = have more EHB characteristics over an extended period of time the AHB = will eventually become more like the EHB, correct? 10. In quarantined counties, are we aloud to import bees from = non-quarantined counties, or must we buy or split hives from within our = own counties? Thanks for any help you may be able to provide to me in advance, Michael Vautour (future Texas beekeeper) ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C231B4.E18C2E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy Y'all;
 
I am Canadian, living in Montreal, Quebec, but am in = the=20 process of trying to move to Texas permanently. My folks are beekeepers = in New=20 Brunswick, and I have quite a bit of experience with them in their=20 beekeeping business. I was planning on opening up my own company of = beekeeping=20 once I moved down to Texas, and was wondering if someone might be = able to=20 answer a few questions that I have concerning beekeeping in = Texas?
 
1. What are the requirements of the USDA to be = considered=20 a farmer, to be considered for the taxation benefits etc..? In = Canada, if=20 you have 50 money making hives, which you can prove, you may claim a = status of a=20 farmer therefore benefiting from extra advantages of this = classification. Is=20 there something similar in the US?
2. Are there problems having Africanized bees in = regular=20 hives? I know that they are more predominant = along the=20 southern borders of Mexico, but since I do not know much about them, are = they=20 considered dangerous to have integrated amongst a regular = hive?
3. Unlike Canada, your winters in the southern = states must be=20 fairly short. Do you have to do any winterizing preparations for the = hives (i.e=20 wrapping of the hives with tar paper to keep them warm during the = coolest=20 months)?
4. Do any of you have any personal experience using = the=20 plastic frames and supers as compared to the wooden ones? Initial cost = would be=20 higher, but over the long term I am sure that cost savings would be = beneficial=20 to a beekeeper? Are there any true advantages or is it just the new=20 fad?
5. Are there particular areas within Texas that may = be more=20 interesting to develop a new beekeeping business?
6. Are there any other things that I should be = careful of when=20 trying to begin in Texas (i.e. unknown laws or regulations, benefits = available,=20 etc..)?
 
I have asked these questions below, specific about = Africanized=20 bees, to the AHB bee experts at the applicable department of Texas = A&M.=20 I still haven't gotten a return response yet, probably because of = the=20 summer vacation time for the university? Would anyone be able to = shed some=20 light on these also?
 
1. If I understood the literature so far, the only = danger that=20 the AHB provide is that they may be more aggressive when the hives are=20 approached?
2. If it is found that AHB have integrated into the = regular=20 EHB hives, other than the security of the people that may be affected in = the=20 surrounding areas of these hives, the hives should be able to produce = honey and=20 pollinate as usual, correct?
3. Does honey production lower with the presence of = AHB in=20 normal hives?
4. Are AHB attracted to different crops = comparatively to=20 EHB?
5. If AHB have been determined to have integrated a = hive, what=20 are the courses of action to be taken by the beekeeper? Are there state=20 regulations concerning this?
6. Are there special insurance policies available to = beekeepers to protect themselves legality wise from litigation against = them=20 (i.e. in the event of severe injury or death of a person, animal or = surrounding=20 crop)?
7. I noticed in an article that the tracking of the = AHB=20 progression into the US was halted in 1995. Are there any other = independent=20 agencies or entities who are still interested in or are still gathering = this=20 information?
8. I notice from the information on your website = that the AHB=20 has not integrated to the East of Texas. Is there a reason for=20 that?
9. With cross-breeding of the AHB and EHB (once they = have=20 integrated into a hive), is there a tendency of the offspring to have = AHB or EHB=20 characteristics? The reason for the question is this, if they tend to = have more=20 EHB characteristics over an extended period of time the AHB will = eventually=20 become more like the EHB, correct?
10. In quarantined counties, are we aloud to import = bees from=20 non-quarantined counties, or must we buy or split hives from within our = own=20 counties?
 
Thanks for any help you may be able to provide to me = in=20 advance,
 
Michael Vautour
(future Texas=20 beekeeper)
------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C231B4.E18C2E50-- Article 32926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "djulian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Refractometer Questions Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:03:38 -0700 Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZyWxZuUDLb1wC7crLOfQSLzJ4IL1syzxxlmxeCt9ooFYDBdDcBjMf2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 04:02:47 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.gol.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32926 I am looking for a refrectometer to test my honey. What do i need to look for? Is the amount you spend a good way to decide quality? Most models describe sugar content but i thought that you want to check moisture content, thebeerdude@yahoo.com Article 32927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:18:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.17.40 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027401525 216.26.17.40 (Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:18:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:18:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32927 I was talking to a guy south of me in IRC chat about beekeeping and he told me that he was having coon problems.... so he sat up for a few hours with his son and a couple of BB guns and the coons ( a mother and her cubs) the shot the coons lightly and they would run away and return a few minutes later.. they slowly increased the pumps till the coons took off... they neve saw them again.... well at least this year... I hope it was a good leason for the coon cubs so they will think twice later in life about robbing honey.... "Jarl Nystrand" wrote in message news:Cg%_8.1684$Py1.32035@news2.ulv.nextra.no... > A few days ago I read that it was possible to install a pane of glass or > plexiglass > in front of the hive entrance after moving. The glass > should be rather close to, and extend some inches outside each side of the > entrance. The bees will reorientate themselves. > Some bees will fly to the old place, but return later. > This was written in a book by E. B. Wedmore 80 years ago. > I have not tried it myself. > Jarl. > > "shauna" wrote in message > news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... > > Hi all -- > > > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > > ain't so. > > > > thanks for your help! > > shauna > > > Article 32928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:37:46 +0100 Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> <6aF_8.2793$D72.31126@eagle.america.net> <3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2101.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1027406009 3281 217.134.104.53 (23 Jul 2002 06:33:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 06:33:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32928 "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain... > TRIKER wrote: > > > > I have move my hives about 30 feet without any problems, also changed there > > orination 90 degrees in the process. I screened blocked the entrance at > > night, waited a few hours for them to settle and then moved them, removed > > the screen before daylight and the bees are fine. I would solve the bear > > problem before I did the move. Here in TEXAS we don't worry about bears just > > the occasional skunk or racoon. > > > > "shauna" wrote in message > > news:8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com... > > Hi all -- > > I've just had my second and third bear attacks of the season over the > > course of 6 hours or so. The hives were orginally located too close > > to the woods on my property, and after the first attack, I knew they > > had to be relocated. I'm a hobbyist and not interested in maintaining > > remote-site beefields, and as the majority of my land is wooded, I > > figured the safest place for the hives would be a clear area nearer > > the house, a couple hundred feet from their original site. I read > > that bees can only take moves of either a few feet or, conversely, > > several miles, so I've been moving them in small increments towards > > that more secure site. I've also been blasting a radio and pointing a > > blinding halogen lamp into the woods every night. This worked for > > about a month and a half, until last night. > > > > So it seems the bear has stopped being fooled by my audio-visual ruse, > > and it's obvious these hives should be progressing toward their new > > site asap. However, I'm afraid that small moves like those I've been > > making will no longer fool the bear, who will certainly be able to > > nose out the hives' new location only a few feet from the old. Plus, > > I'm worried that these small steps closer and closer to the house will > > actually gradually lead the bear, having had the taste of brood, > > straight out of the woods and into the backyard. > > > > Upshot is, I need a one shot move of about 70 feet. Is this possible > > or will this hopelessly confuse the poor ladies? Advice? Pointers? > > Alternatives? I'm desperate. And unfortunately, I can't move them a > > few miles away for a week and then back without endless complication. > > But perhaps this is what I will need to resort to ...? Please say it > > ain't so. > > > > thanks for your help! > > shauna > > Shauna, > You can move hives anywhere you want as long as you do it after dusk so > that all the bees are in the hive. The next day they will get their new > bearings and find their home. When you move them, put a stick into the > ground in front of the hive for them to 'memorize' as a landmark for > their return. People haul hives miles away for pollination of orchards > and crops, let the bees loose in the fields, and then haul them back > home afterwards. Your're kidding? Have you done this? Don't you loose flyers? I have to make nucs up in apiaries miles away from their new home or the flyers all go back. > > You can move a hive in the field up, down, forward, or backward for > short distances without confusing the bees. The problem for bees is > when you move them sideways. Ditto. > > Good luck with the bear. We don't have any in our immediate area > (foothills of North Carolina) I don't think. Some kind of animal(s) > attacked a fairly close neighbor's car last Friday and nearly tore off > the fender. It also bit holes through the front metal tag. It ripped > out wiring from beneath the car and removed the black shield under the > fender. The prints looked like dog prints to me. I just hope that it > isn't some animal that likes honey. It's a mystery. > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any > n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Refractometer Questions Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-244-168.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1027414327 18061 217.34.244.168 (23 Jul 2002 08:52:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:52:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32929 Where are you? I got mine from a company in Tonbridge, Kent, UK many years ago and they make what ever you need. Honey is normally tested for water content because it will ferment if it is not concentrated enough. I have two one for honey testing water content and one for nectar to test for sugar content, both from the same place. Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA Whitstable Kent UK --------------------------------------------- "djulian" wrote in message news:ahikh7$bph$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I am looking for a refrectometer to test my honey. What do i need to look > for? Is the amount you spend a good way to decide quality? Most models > describe sugar content but i thought that you want to check moisture > content, > > thebeerdude@yahoo.com > > Article 32930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ilcortile@dada.it (il cortile) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [promo] Cortile: punto vendita di prodotti tipici toscani e biologici Message-ID: <3d3d89ef.42891574@powernews.libero.it> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:02:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.27.10.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@libero.it X-Trace: twister1.libero.it 1027443746 151.27.10.253 (Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:02:26 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:02:26 MET DST Organization: [Infostrada] Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!cadig2.usna.navy.mil!info.usuhs.mil!oanews!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!nntp.infostrada.it!twister1.libero.it.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32930 Sulla strada che unisce Firenze e Siena attraverso il Chianti si trova IL CORTILE un accogliente locale per assaggiare ed acquistare prodotti tipici toscani . Oltre 200 specialità accuratamente selezionate (olio, vini, salumi, formaggi, conserve, in buona parte biologici); ampia area di sosta con parcheggio. Degustazioni anche per gruppi con diversi tipi di vini, olio, formaggi e salumi. Al Cortile si parla inglese, tedesco e francese. http://ilcortile.toscana.it/ Article 32931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Refractometer Questions Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:43:52 +0100 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-867.ditto.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1027449849 18672 217.135.117.99 (23 Jul 2002 18:44:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 18:44:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32931 I think that you are referring to Bellingham & Stanley: http://www.bs-ltd.com/ They make very high quality refractometers and can supply one to measure the water content of honey. Mine cost around £150 some years ago, although I think that current models may be cheaper (if not as solidly made!). -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Keith Hooker" wrote in message news:ahj5fn$hkd$1@paris.btinternet.com... > Where are you? I got mine from a company in Tonbridge, Kent, UK many years > ago and they make what ever you need. > > Honey is normally tested for water content because it will ferment if it is > not concentrated enough. I have two one for honey testing water content and > one for nectar to test for sugar content, both from the same place. > > Keith JM Hooker BA MPhil MA > Whitstable Kent UK > --------------------------------------------- > > "djulian" wrote in message > news:ahikh7$bph$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > I am looking for a refractometer to test my honey. What do i need to look > > for? Is the amount you spend a good way to decide quality? Most models > > describe sugar content but i thought that you want to check moisture > > content, > > > > thebeerdude@yahoo.com > > > > > > Article 32932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis question Date: 23 Jul 2002 12:48:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027453697 21081 127.0.0.1 (23 Jul 2002 19:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 19:48:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32932 Hello, In one week strong hive can produce more than golf size ball of propolis. The question is how does propolis production affects hive resources on production of honey? Second question is: Does anyone have experience selling propolis to more than just local customers? Thanks, Andrey. Article 32933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Paint (no suggestions?) Date: 23 Jul 2002 13:08:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027454931 22558 127.0.0.1 (23 Jul 2002 20:08:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 20:08:51 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32933 These are the colors of my hives: http://www.markfarm.com/beespics/P7020017.jpg Article 32934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection clothing patterns Wanted Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:39:31 +0100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <0kmrju491s1pl2iugbsbnt0b4ts6mvc6oa@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.damrod.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1027463744 5493 62.136.152.20 (23 Jul 2002 22:35:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 2002 22:35:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:733 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32934 I am surprised that nobody has been able to come up with a 'pattern', must admit I considered doing this myself and, if I could get hold of a pattern I would attempt to make my own. If buying in then you'll have to do that vin bulk and your probably looking at somewhere like Pakistan. On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:21:46 +0100, "Wombat" wrote: >You know Patrick at first I thought you were taking the mick(making fun) >of my add, but its only human to make mistake's and a better human to admit >them! I want to thank you,CK,etc for your welcomed replies, for I refuse >to pay 90+ pound for a glorified pair of overalls which some shops >has paid a 10th of that for them probably from some 3rd world sweat shop. >I think here in the UK Beekeeping equipment is well overpriced!!! >It has not put me off this hobby and interest I have just started, so I will >try looking for second hand equipment or try and cut the middle man >and try contacting a Eastern supplier as I am not working and its the >principal >that matters!! If I manage to make a contact I will forward it this group. > >Pete > Article 32935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "apolonia sanso capo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Paint (no suggestions?) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:26:40 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Data Espagna Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <_e2_8.111600$UT.7150984@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-96-80-88.uc.nombres.ttd.es X-Trace: nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net 1027495793 25729 213.96.80.88 (24 Jul 2002 07:29:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:29:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!in.nntp.be!caladan.arrakis.es!nsnmrro1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!nsnmrro2-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32935 Bees diferenciate the intensity of the color: red, black, deep blue are black for them. Yellow, white, light blue are white for them. To help the bees identifiying their own hive, von Fitz established patterns, so if you mark a hive with OOOO at the entrance and ++++ (3 to 4 inch marks) at the other they will not "fall" on the first one, but the right one. If you paint the hive, only outside, make sure that they dry out. 10 days at the sun is the minimum. Do not use insecticides to protect the wood. Remember the bees are insects. The organic criteria is not to paint the hives since can leave residue on the honey. " Article 32936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Texas Message-ID: <52ssjusa1dleb0n4cmf05hji0l9q90fvas@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:28:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027502894 4.62.104.148 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:28:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:28:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32936 MIchael, The Texas Beekeepers Association annual convention would be a great place for you to ask all your questions and learn more about beekeeping in Texas. My understanding is that ten convention will be in Tyler, Texas, during the end of the first week and weekend in November (usually Thursday-Sunday). Information about the event should be coming out in the beekeeping journals within a month or two. John "Michael Vautour" wrote: >Howdy Y'all; > >I am Canadian, living in Montreal, Quebec, but am in the process of trying to move to Texas permanently. My folks are beekeepers in New Brunswick, and I have quite a bit of experience with them in their beekeeping business. I was planning on opening up my own company of beekeeping once I moved down to Texas, and was wondering if someone might be able to answer a few questions that I have concerning beekeeping in Texas? > John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen raising Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:14:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027512876 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:14:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:14:36 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32937 Chuck and Karen Kutik have some photos: http://www.kutikshoney.com/grafting/queens.htm -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:eGC_8.113854$UT.7382117@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I would like direction to a good website that describes how to perform low > lvl queen rearing.. basically something that does require any special > equipment etc so I can raise a queen or two here and there when I need them. > > Thanks > > Article 32938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Tiger tail queen Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:11:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027512674 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:11:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:11:14 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32938 That was my photo of the "tiger tail" queen. This is the term beekeepers in the southeastern USA use for this color pattern, which is not common, but which seems to often correspond with particularly productive colonies. The colony in which this queen was found was from a commercial beekeeper who uses both Carniolans and Italians from commercial queen breeders, but also has some queens that he has raised, so this could represent a cross. I was hoping myself to get more information on what causes this particular color pattern. The brood pattern on this hive was exceptionally nice. The bees were slightly more feisty than the other hives in the yard. I got popped a couple times on the hands while taking photos. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Ian" wrote in message news:cdaa9ae0.0207201002.4cd54d3b@posting.google.com... > I reared some queens cells for some increase colonies I was making up. > I took the eggs from a carniolain queened hive. The beeyard had > carniolain mostly, and a few Italians. Two weeks after installation of > the cells I checked for queen acceptance and brood patern. Most > queens were accepted and brooding well. In one hive I seen a queen I > never seen before. It was the size of an Italian, but had "Tiger > markings" on its abdomen. It was brooding very well and I thought > nothing of it. > On the cover of the June issue of Bee Culture, I seen the exact same > queen I have in my hive. The cover quote says it is a Tiger tail > queen. I have never heard of one of these before. I am wondering if > it is the cross between carniolian and Italian? I wonder of the > charaterisitics it posses? If anyone out there knows of this type of > queen, can you feed my ceriosity. > > Ian Article 32939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Soybeans flowers Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:02:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027512143 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:02:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:02:23 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32939 Nope, the bees won't get honey, either, even though their tongues are more compatible with the flower. They might get nectar, from which they can make honey ;o) -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "G Hupf" wrote in message news:SUMZ8.2404$Qk6.644@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was in Nebraska, USA, last week where my brother farms about 1000 acres, > much of it soybeans. I found that my tongue was far too large and not > nearly nimble enough to get any honey. Perhaps bees would fare better than > I. > > G Hupf > > "Timmdwill" wrote in message > news:20020715190407.07554.00000492@mb-mi.aol.com... > > Can a person get a decent amount of decent honey from soybeans? > > Article 32940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Psithyrus Rupestris; Black Bee Ginger Tail? Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:34:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027514080 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:34:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:34:40 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32940 Have you checked with Norman Carreck? norman.carreck@bbsrc.ac.uk Entomology & Nematology Department, IACR-Rothamsted, Harpenden, Hertfordshire AL5 2JQ, UK Tel: +44 (01582)763133 x2695 Fax: +44 (01582)760981 http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk/res/depts/entnem/thome.html "bill" wrote in message news:ahckdk$r8b$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > We are currently trying to halt a major development on an open countryside > site. Our experts in wildlife and insect population have identified the > above Bee and made the following comments: ". When we were walking the > field we saw a large black bee with a gingery red tail. I have it clearly on > the video tape and have identified it as Psithyrus rupestris, a species of > cuckoo bee which I think is a Nationally Notable species and is listed in > the UK Biodiversity Action Plan as a species of conservation concern, though > its status needs checking. There are, I think, 3 categories of Notables:- > Cat A Nationally Notable - uncommon in Britain, occurring in 30 or fewer ten > kilometre squares of the National Grid > Cat B Ocurring in 31-100 ten kilometre squares > Cat N. Status too poorly known, but thought to be 16 to 100 ten kilometre > squares. > Bee keepers will not like its presence, as it is a bee which lays its eggs > in the nests of other species. Its host species is the Red-tailed Bumble > Bee, Bombus Lapidarius. It resembles Bombus lapidarius, but ours very > definitely was shiny and black on the back rather than hairy." Could > anybody offer any more information on this beasty which may help us > understand better its 'importance' / rarity?? Many thanks. > > > Article 32941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen raising Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:53:13 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaLQvj7hEtD6TNhAZJyVa/DMYWQaWuPr57E7WkrTWEwQCIxxh1kO/5q X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2002 12:54:00 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32941 > I would like direction to a good website that describes how to perform low > lvl queen rearing.. basically something that does require any special > equipment etc so I can raise a queen or two here and there when I need > them. The Hopkins method is found here: http://www.beesource.com/pov/hayes/abjmay91.htm -Barry Article 32942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mosquito spraying Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6lz%8.24952$vB3.905158@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:03:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027523010 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:03:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:03:30 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32942 This is the time of year when the mosquito districts get into high gear, and some of them spray, spray, spray. This poses risks to humans (particularly asthmatics, children and pregnant women), kills off beneficial insects (like dragonflies which eat mosquitos, and bees, our primary pollinators, and butterflies), and is mostly ineffective at any real control. James Irwin of Columbia, SC has done some research, and made enough noise (mosquito spraying is more a matter of politics than science) to get a moratorium on using adulticides in some SC spray districts. Take a look at what he's doing, perhaps you can do as much good in your area: http://nospraynews.org -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Matthew Somers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sucrose detection Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:49:55 -0400 Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: honey2.zoo.uwo.ca X-Trace: panther.uwo.ca 1027543729 1440 129.100.46.87 (24 Jul 2002 20:48:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uwo.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2002 20:48:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32943 Can bees (Bombus spp. in particular) detect sucrose (not honey) from a distance (i.e. through scent) or do their antennae have to be in contact with it for detection? Thanks, Matt Article 32944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "apis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Denver CO area? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.78.62.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr16.news.prodigy.com 1027547483 ST000 204.78.62.254 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:51:23 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_@SNE]RWQB_\X]R]N\BPDFKUZRVLHWY\Z]\YIBATBDTICYFW[QB[YHL\DHWWIDFCGZAZLUNYZ_J_A[NVC^PPFINVOIPXHDPX@BQ[@J\RJADL^GSF\X\W@@\BQJJFNB\ZMKHRLZY^MFKSSDL^GOIW^GSY@FRWHMQ[GPBGACCFLAQ@F\L@J\\LGY^TUAVBM Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:51:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newscon04-ext.news.prodigy.com.MISMATCH!prodigy.*.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr16.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!c55c5b13!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32944 There should be a local bee club in the Denver area. I would sugggest that you go there for advice. "FD" wrote in message news:47be5dfd.0207201102.123ea343@posting.google.com... > Hello: > I live in the SW Denver area and am looking for fellow local > beekeepers to obtain pointers specific to the area, with its difficult > conditions. > Specifically, hive choices, bee races/hybrid, cold winter issues, very > hot summer issues, short season/low flower count issues... > Thanks > FD > "Logic has made me hated among men" - Pierre Abelard du Palet > Article 32945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is this? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:31:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027560696 216.26.16.109 (Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:31:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:31:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32945 I was wondering if anyone could identify this? I found this puicture on a web site and the 2 cells behind the queen are very simular to alot of cellsin my hive... with one aception mine are a bright almost neon orage color... http://www.wuffman.com/images/mvc-235f.jpg Brian Article 32946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sabine Eltermann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is this? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:32:19 +0200 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec3e1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.142.195.225) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027585934 32230618 80.142.195.225 (16 [145558]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!p508ec3e1.dip0.t-ipconnect.DE!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32946 Pollen, covered with a bit of honey. In the center of the frame has to be a circle of brood, then a ring of pollen and then the edges full of honey. The colour of pollen ist naturally different, at the moment mine are lilac because phacaelia is blooming. Article 32947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@directvinternet.com (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is this? Date: 25 Jul 2002 05:10:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027599026 28352 127.0.0.1 (25 Jul 2002 12:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 2002 12:10:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32947 "www.Wuffman.com" wrote in message news:... > I was wondering if anyone could identify this? > > I found this puicture on a web site and the 2 cells behind the queen are > very simular to alot of cellsin my hive... with one aception mine are a > bright almost neon orage color... > > http://www.wuffman.com/images/mvc-235f.jpg > > Brian Looks like pollen to me. Andrey. Article 32948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: [promo] Cortile: punto vendita di prodotti tipici toscani e biologici Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:45:44 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <3d3d89ef.42891574@powernews.libero.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-75-7.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1027680188 19840 62.11.75.7 (26 Jul 2002 10:43:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:43:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!212.141.84.81.MISMATCH!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32948 Niente miele ? allora sei ot Article 32949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D40E3DD.B5097DFC@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> <6aF_8.2793$D72.31126@eagle.america.net> <3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:52:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1027698777 67.251.117.110 (Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:52:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:52:57 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32949 Peter Hearnden wrote: > > "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message > news:3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain... > > Shauna, > > You can move hives anywhere you want as long as you do it after dusk so > > that all the bees are in the hive. The next day they will get their new > > bearings and find their home. When you move them, put a stick into the > > ground in front of the hive for them to 'memorize' as a landmark for > > their return. People haul hives miles away for pollination of orchards > > and crops, let the bees loose in the fields, and then haul them back > > home afterwards. > > Your're kidding? Have you done this? Don't you loose flyers? I have to make > nucs up in apiaries miles away from their new home or the flyers all go > back. I have never done this, but I know several beekeepers who 'lease' their bees to farmers and apple growers across North Carolina for pollination purposes. Plus, a friend of mine takes his hives to locations where there are lots of sourwood trees and then takes them back home after the season ends. I talked with a local beekeeper several weeks ago and he has his bees at two different locations to find sourwood trees. Luckily, I have sourwood trees at my location, with hundreds of little trees coming up where the state did some clearing for road construction. A man who is in our beekeepers association takes his bees to Florida to pollinate the orange trees. Sounds like a lot of work to me, but the 'trees have to have bees.' Louise Article 32950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Jul 2002 19:33:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: New Organic standards for "organic honey" Thats for The USA Message-ID: <20020726153335.03298.00001017@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32950 Hi All, Have you seen the new Organic standards for "organic honey" Thats for The USA for our other more civilised breatheran. This is from the the Quality Assurance International out of San Diego,Ca at WWW.qai-inc.com. I have no idea's of there bona Fide's. Some of there Idea's are complete bush wha Thats cleaned up for I know that there are Ladies and a few old fashioned gentleman about. But some don't seem to be to far of base. I would like to see what all you good folks think. Also do any of you know if they have any real power to enforce or allow? I had heard of somebody setting a new standard for organic produce So? Two of the things they require is that there is no "polution source within 2 miles straight line flight(E.G. Synthetic-chemical sprayed agriculture ,industrial centers,Urban centers,Ect) of your (organic) hives The other is foudation and comb that has never had contact with contamiants I.E Bee quick or Bee-go, apistan, Mitestrips they do have a list of allowed stuff. I wonder how we can ever pull that off? Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Queens Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:48:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027716512 216.26.16.78 (Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:48:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:48:32 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32951 Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. I got me 2 Italian queens marked.... he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I just wedge the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better way? Brian Article 32952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New Queens Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:29:59 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-0iiHwLyo6DG8uXeC2cfdzw3F5xnCzL4YBo9xNmPgzeMrJLvmVt66nZ8HBzxmI7PUzLzmEaI0RctDani!ZKhXLlkRTNHJYprr73hyFURGD0C8TN0PX03Xwl/rZJBz90uNm8DPMZh084lip64yf+QIGcgXi8f3!MpkBfpzNjb1AtY/uif+N X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:29:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32952 Brian, there's a fair amount that you need to know when changing queens. How much do you know about it. Just asking to get some idea on how to answer your question. Just on the surface, it sounds like you've never done this and need to get a lot of info QUICK. Am I right? Mark in West Texas > Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. I got > me 2 Italian queens marked.... > > he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I just wedge > the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better way? > > Brian > > > Article 32953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone laying queens Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:49:54 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-457.clefairy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1027723787 20628 217.135.90.201 (26 Jul 2002 22:49:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:49:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32953 Here in the South Midlands we have had more drone laying queens this year than I have seen in over 20 years beekeeping. The reason for this is that we had a very mild winter and an incredibly early spring - March and April were like high summer. Colonies were massive by the end of April and we had very heavy swarming during the last two weeks. However, this all ended on the 1 May and we then had 9 weeks of non-stop bad weather. Queens produced at the end of April failed to mate (or only mated partially) and started laying drone brood during mid to late June. Of over 40 colonies made up in April, approx three-quarters have failed to produce a mated queen. This is unprecedented. I would be interested to hear how others in the UK have fared. Is this general, or were we very unlucky? -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 32954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Useful Links Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:57:13 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-457.clefairy.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1027724224 24053 217.135.90.201 (26 Jul 2002 22:57:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:57:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32954 I am currently building our Links & Resources page: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Links.htm This is mainly aimed at UK beekeepers, but includes many non-UK sites which may be of interest. There is still a great deal to do, but comments, or suggestions for additions would be very welcome. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 32955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying queens Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 06:47:00 +0100 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-135.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1027752156 16426 217.134.96.135 (27 Jul 2002 06:42:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2002 06:42:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32955 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:ahsjmb$k4k$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > Here in the South Midlands we have had more drone laying queens this year > than I have seen in over 20 years beekeeping. > > The reason for this is that we had a very mild winter and an incredibly > early spring - March and April were like high summer. Colonies were massive > by the end of April and we had very heavy swarming during the last two > weeks. Didn't even get that good here :( before.... > However, this all ended on the 1 May and we then had 9 weeks of > non-stop bad weather. That awful starving spell. Fine weather from middle of July means now have some honey. Queens produced at the end of April failed to mate > (or only mated partially) and started laying drone brood during mid to late > June. Of over 40 colonies made up in April, approx three-quarters have > failed to produce a mated queen. This is unprecedented. Started later and my few seem OK, though those more recent ones better than those raised in June. What is allways amazing is that every so often queen is so much better than the others that seem good: laying quickly, stomping about, huge, clearly the boss, bees working hard - one this year like that. Still learning though. > > I would be interested to hear how others in the UK have fared. Is this > general, or were we very unlucky? > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > Peter Hearnden Devon > > Article 32956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:56:14 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <8094de6b.0207200236.311b6cfc@posting.google.com> <6aF_8.2793$D72.31126@eagle.america.net> <3D3BF697.FDBAFF98@atlas.localdomain> <3D40E3DD.B5097DFC@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1027752976 31782189 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32956 All of those are moves of over 3 miles. The original poster needs to move 70 ft. It works differently when the bees are in the same general area. "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D40E3DD.B5097DFC@atlas.localdomain... > Peter Hearnden wrote: > > > > Your're kidding? Have you done this? Don't you loose flyers? I have to make > > nucs up in apiaries miles away from their new home or the flyers all go > > back. > > I have never done this, but I know several beekeepers who 'lease' their > bees to farmers and apple growers across North Carolina for pollination > purposes. Plus, a friend of mine takes his hives to locations where > there are lots of sourwood trees and then takes them back home after the > season ends. I talked with a local beekeeper several weeks ago and he > has his bees at two different locations to find sourwood trees. Luckily, > I have sourwood trees at my location, with hundreds of little trees > coming up where the state did some clearing for road construction. > > A man who is in our beekeepers association takes his bees to Florida to > pollinate the orange trees. Sounds like a lot of work to me, but the > 'trees have to have bees.' > > Louise Article 32957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Brookes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone laying queens Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:27:20 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3256.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1027790730 6426 62.137.108.184 (27 Jul 2002 17:25:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2002 17:25:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32957 > Here in the South Midlands we have had more drone laying queens this year > than I have seen in over 20 years beekeeping. > > The reason for this is that we had a very mild winter and an incredibly > early spring - March and April were like high summer. Colonies were massive > by the end of April and we had very heavy swarming during the last two > weeks. However, this all ended on the 1 May and we then had 9 weeks of > non-stop bad weather. Queens produced at the end of April failed to mate > (or only mated partially) and started laying drone brood during mid to late > June. Of over 40 colonies made up in April, approx three-quarters have > failed to produce a mated queen. This is unprecedented. > > I would be interested to hear how others in the UK have fared. Is this > general, or were we very unlucky? > -- > Peter Edwards Much the same story with me. I had split a good number by the first couple of weeks of May which is unusual for Perthshire. Then the weather went back to normal!! Had a couple of actual Drone layers but most just failed full stop. (Serves me right for thinking I could jump the gun). Things a bit better now though, managed to salvage them with cells from more recent splits and a wee bit of cell production. Probably about a 1 in 3 success rate 1st time round though. What surprised me this year was it absolutely lashed it down for 3 weeks solid during the day while the OSR was out but was generally fine in the evenings. Yet I had a much better crop than last year. (Not that that would be hard). It was never that cold though. David Perthshire Article 32958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lovemgrfan@aol.com (LovemgrFan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jul 2002 19:04:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Moving hives short distances in wake of bear attack Message-ID: <20020727150438.01058.00001423@mb-cj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32958 I moved 2 hives about 50 feet in May.( a tree near by had to be removed and space was needed for a catepiller to dig out the stump. This was in an orchard, not my property.) I tried to get the angle of the hives the same. I moved the hives after dark. For about a week bees kept returning from their foraging to the old spot, although the number decreased every day. I found some new dead bees at the old sight and a large number of dead bees at the new site. I guess at the new site, they may have been trying for entrance to a hive not theirs and were stung at the entrance. At the old site, it seemed the bees were older workers (shredded wings) that were too old or too full of nectar to go on looking?! The hives seemed to maintain a large number of bees after their move. Kathy Cox > The original poster needs to move >70 ft. It works differently when the bees >are in the same general area. Article 32959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New Queens Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 20:34:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027802077 216.26.16.76 (Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:34:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:34:37 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32959 yup I have never done it before... this is my first year and I have inherited 2 good size colenies from mother nature now.. and I cann ot find any brood in either one... I ordered 2 queens and they did not arive today so I should get them on Monday.... He shipped them out on Thursday I hope they are still alive when I get them.... 4 days in the mail... is that bad? Brian "Me" wrote in message news:H3k09.341266$Im2.17370663@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Brian, there's a fair amount that you need to know when changing queens. > How much do you know about it. Just asking to get some idea on how to > answer your question. Just on the surface, it sounds like you've never done > this and need to get a lot of info QUICK. Am I right? > > Mark in West Texas > > > Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. I got > > me 2 Italian queens marked.... > > > > he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I just > wedge > > the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better way? > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Article 32960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New Queens Lines: 48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:42:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-3AEBRpi4xP+1MLU8/NAkEeBNKdD/IHhy74f1svjRQZSh5vrYXNeYN2Au8+Yi65RQCP5QxIrj18KaiZ3!FJt/R5YlGfvnBbwnyxMJrYPTtfjXL0v+sKTAXjKBTbd1+ZNZHklkQ4iOP39CabbHiFvKfCMWLzSE!N9q0MChJxE1JJjhD3eY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 20:42:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32960 I'm not sure what you mean by inherited from mother nature. Do you mean you captured two swarms? How long have they been in their present hive? How long has it been since you discovered that they had no brood? Mark > yup I have never done it before... this is my first year and I have > inherited 2 good size colenies from mother nature now.. and I cann ot find > any brood in either one... I ordered 2 queens and they did not arive today > so I should get them on Monday.... > > He shipped them out on Thursday I hope they are still alive when I get > them.... 4 days in the mail... is that bad? > > > Brian > > "Me" wrote in message > news:H3k09.341266$Im2.17370663@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > Brian, there's a fair amount that you need to know when changing queens. > > How much do you know about it. Just asking to get some idea on how to > > answer your question. Just on the surface, it sounds like you've never > done > > this and need to get a lot of info QUICK. Am I right? > > > > Mark in West Texas > > > > > Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. I > got > > > me 2 Italian queens marked.... > > > > > > he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I just > > wedge > > > the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better way? > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New Queens Lines: 93 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:59:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027810769 216.26.16.76 (Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:59:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:59:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32961 well they captured me.... I am not a rich man so I bought 4 deeps and 4 supers and bottom boards and tops and I i set them up in my back yard to await me next pay check to buy me 2 sets of bees for them... the hives were used and had drawn comb on the frames... well I went throught the deeps and took all the best frames with the nices and best looking comb on them and put them in two deeps and had the best top and bottom on them... I had the other deeps and 4 supers setting aside to get to later... 3 days later I came out and my fist swarm had moved into the stack of 2 deeps /supers that were not ready.... It was a pretty good size swarm.. they were all throughout the stack.. I knocked them down into the deeps and the top super so I lft them in the 3. and put the lid on them.... I was happy that I only needed to buy one set of bees now but the day before payday I went out to check the swarm and I saw a second much smaller swarm on the remaining 3 supers I had there... So I moved them on to the 2 deeps. I was estatic.. for all these free Bees " GOD gave me " :o) I was talking to another beekeeper that I bought my used hives from....He thinks I actual have a split rather than 2 swarms and he may be right but there was several days that theose supers had no bees in them or just one or 2 straglers.... "Me" wrote in message news:vAD09.398849$vq.21938690@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > I'm not sure what you mean by inherited from mother nature. Do you mean you > captured two swarms? > > How long have they been in their present hive? > > How long has it been since you discovered that they had no brood? > > Mark > > > yup I have never done it before... this is my first year and I have > > inherited 2 good size colenies from mother nature now.. and I cann ot find > > any brood in either one... I ordered 2 queens and they did not arive today > > so I should get them on Monday.... > > > > He shipped them out on Thursday I hope they are still alive when I get > > them.... 4 days in the mail... is that bad? > > > > > > Brian > > > > "Me" wrote in message > > news:H3k09.341266$Im2.17370663@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > Brian, there's a fair amount that you need to know when changing queens. > > > How much do you know about it. Just asking to get some idea on how to > > > answer your question. Just on the surface, it sounds like you've never > > done > > > this and need to get a lot of info QUICK. Am I right? > > > > > > Mark in West Texas > > > > > > > Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. I > > got > > > > me 2 Italian queens marked.... > > > > > > > > he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I just > > > wedge > > > > the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better > way? > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Project Book Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:03:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027810984 216.26.16.76 (Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:03:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:03:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32962 I was doing some searching today and I could not find a book for Do it yourself bee hives and other projects... So I think Ill try my hand at writting one myself.... there are alot of plans and differnt ideas floating around the Inet that I was thinking about putting into a notebook and seeing about publishing it... Does anyone here know about copywrite laws and such? I just wonder what I could get away with or not... Brian Article 32963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Project Book Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:13:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1027811617 24.31.194.116 (Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:13:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:13:37 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32963 Write your own; do not copy someone else's work, and you'll have no problem. Your work is your own, and you automatically have a copyright on what you have created. Whenever you publish it, be sure you have the copyright notice and date on it. Your rights are easier to protect if you register the the copyright. Here's the official word: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/ -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "www.Wuffman.com" wrote in message news:IEF09.10488$Ky3.756736@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was doing some searching today and I could not find a book for Do it > yourself bee hives and other projects... So I think Ill try my hand at > writting one myself.... there are alot of plans and differnt ideas > floating around the Inet that I was thinking about putting into a notebook > and seeing about publishing it... Does anyone here know about copywrite > laws and such? I just wonder what I could get away with or not... > > Brian > > Article 32964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Still waiting.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:48:42 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-d2kKY/brI3h0nFdlClt5ddM3uLZDlvqB2+lDr7KTsfsIAIrv/ClkWOTWfwQ+9zAcwGp/yGsdob3tjC6!YWHE+myBAtcNrAU5i6PSd1BgG2Krfbz062zt93yjmxsbkMbG7Uc5lvKTD8Z8yMSbEm2m X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:48:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32964 There's an old joke about two starving buzzards sitting on a dead tree branch where one says to the other "to hell with waiting, I'm gonna kill something". I have three supers with the equivalent of 12-14 full frames of uncapped honey - they've been that way for nearly a month. I have pulled 6 frames of 90% capped honey over that same time frame - blue ribbon stuff by the way :) Its becoming desperately dry and hot in Southern Illinois, although the humidity is *always* with us - 'the air you wear' as described by our local weatherman. I mention that in case the climate question is raised. I'm beginning to view this situation from the buzzard's perspective - someone on this group said if it doesn't shake out, then its cured. Would that be a fairly safe assumption, or should I continue the waiting game? My concern is that the blue ribbon stuff will soon be mixed with goldenrod, which is beginning to bloom in abundance. If we get a good rain, the stuff will explode. If you've never experienced the unique qualities of goldenrod honey, maybe we can do business - once. I have close to 60lb of it and don't really need anymore. So, would you say the shake test is reliable? AL Article 32965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: New Queens Lines: 111 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:55:07 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-cuI2sNfGot0zxRAGR0lIdgaG0HbNOLCy1IoJyPMaQsHDGbcax7o4pC/Mt7ukvnvcEuyIUyL5fAblNey!hOmHbfWd5nZYhq+nkL3jwSUo03bIjw4bteEwTD5MZO+2PvCUhlo5JlqgpGtksPp+pUQ7esj8m+S6!o8K7sLHUGSPVr9ZR/4xL X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:55:07 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32965 Sounds interesting. So how long do you think they've queenless? Mark "www.Wuffman.com" wrote in message news:lBF09.10486$Ky3.756756@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > well they captured me.... I am not a rich man so I bought 4 deeps and 4 > supers and bottom boards and tops and I i set them up in my back yard to > await me next pay check to buy me 2 sets of bees for them... the hives > were used and had drawn comb on the frames... well I went throught the deeps > and took all the best frames with the nices and best looking comb on them > and put them in two deeps and had the best top and bottom on them... I had > the other deeps and 4 supers setting aside to get to later... 3 days later I > came out and my fist swarm had moved into the stack of 2 deeps /supers that > were not ready.... It was a pretty good size swarm.. they were all > throughout the stack.. I knocked them down into the deeps and the top super > so I lft them in the 3. and put the lid on them.... > > I was happy that I only needed to buy one set of bees now but the day before > payday I went out to check the swarm and I saw a second much smaller swarm > on the remaining 3 supers I had there... > So I moved them on to the 2 deeps. I was estatic.. for all these free Bees > " GOD gave me " :o) I was talking to another beekeeper that I bought my > used hives from....He thinks I actual have a split rather than 2 swarms and > he may be right but there was several days that theose supers had no bees > in them or just one or 2 straglers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Me" wrote in message > news:vAD09.398849$vq.21938690@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > I'm not sure what you mean by inherited from mother nature. Do you mean > you > > captured two swarms? > > > > How long have they been in their present hive? > > > > How long has it been since you discovered that they had no brood? > > > > Mark > > > > > yup I have never done it before... this is my first year and I have > > > inherited 2 good size colenies from mother nature now.. and I cann ot > find > > > any brood in either one... I ordered 2 queens and they did not arive > today > > > so I should get them on Monday.... > > > > > > He shipped them out on Thursday I hope they are still alive when I get > > > them.... 4 days in the mail... is that bad? > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > "Me" wrote in message > > > news:H3k09.341266$Im2.17370663@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > > Brian, there's a fair amount that you need to know when changing > queens. > > > > How much do you know about it. Just asking to get some idea on how to > > > > answer your question. Just on the surface, it sounds like you've > never > > > done > > > > this and need to get a lot of info QUICK. Am I right? > > > > > > > > Mark in West Texas > > > > > > > > > Ok I ordered my new queens yesterday and he shipped them out to me.. > I > > > got > > > > > me 2 Italian queens marked.... > > > > > > > > > > he said they come in a little cage with a candy stopper.... Do I > just > > > > wedge > > > > > the cage between 2 frames of the deep supper? or is there a better > > way? > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Lines: 47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:07:14 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-38nIcMH4D4JBidy66VNdEWW7UJKmFrpTKBT7ACGImFWsYpkM0GE6eZKfvLgAPs7xKMZX0dYNmLNSwoj!Zs6DOSa4SPQcwyieIFGsCiRVp8aEWNn+f3lPf7KGTfkZHCMxiNrRQt9ttGyHSvPCBZSJFbZLq1LE!I52jLNItxos6Fr9if7b5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:07:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32966 I know the big boys in Canada try to catch their honey just before it's capped. It's a lot less work if you don't have to uncap it. However, they use a refractometer. One retired commercial beekeeper says he can tell you what the water content is just by the way it flows. If you don't have a refractometer and you can't wait,..... You could just stick your finger in it and judge for yourself. I'm sure you've seen enough honey to tell if it's too watery. What's that old saying - Nothing ventured nothing gained. You might take a look at your hive though. If it's not well ventilated and humidity is high, the bees could be having a hard time curing it. Do you have condensation on the bottom side of your cover? If it's ventilation, once the air gets circulating, it shouldn't take over a week for them to cap it. Mark in West Texas "AL" wrote in message news:3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net... > There's an old joke about two starving buzzards sitting on a dead tree > branch where one says to the other "to hell with waiting, I'm gonna kill > something". > > I have three supers with the equivalent of 12-14 full frames of uncapped > honey - they've been that way for nearly a month. I have pulled 6 frames > of 90% capped honey over that same time frame - blue ribbon stuff by the > way :) > > Its becoming desperately dry and hot in Southern Illinois, although the > humidity is *always* with us - 'the air you wear' as described by our > local weatherman. I mention that in case the climate question is raised. > > I'm beginning to view this situation from the buzzard's perspective - > someone on this group said if it doesn't shake out, then its cured. > Would that be a fairly safe assumption, or should I continue the waiting > game? My concern is that the blue ribbon stuff will soon be mixed with > goldenrod, which is beginning to bloom in abundance. If we get a good > rain, the stuff will explode. If you've never experienced the unique > qualities of goldenrod honey, maybe we can do business - once. I have > close to 60lb of it and don't really need anymore. > > So, would you say the shake test is reliable? > > > AL > Article 32967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Disease treatment schedules for Texas From: Richard Price Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:28:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.206.74.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027816092 24.206.74.26 (Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:28:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:28:12 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!1a940619!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32967 Greetings, I have a few colonies in the Houston, TX, area and am looking forward to wintering over successfully. I need to treat for diseases but cannot locate a schedule for the timing of it all for our area, esp. one that explains WHY the schedule works. For example, I read from a local beekeepers association that varroa treatment should start in July (after honey flow and during an active egg laying season). Yet, George Imirie, master beekeeper from MD, insists that the best time to treat is when the queen brings her laying to a minimum, c. Oct 1 in his area. Compounding my confusion further, locals treat 2x a year, July and March. Imirie says he needs to treat only once (Oct). Again, local advice is to treat for trachael mites with menthol during July. Others say as long as temperatures are > 90 degrees the menthol will work; this puts me into Sept as a good time (or at least no later than). A similar story could be said about treating for AFB. I think I understand the issues between patties and dusting (at least enough to quit worring about the delivery method). I'm more concerning about the timing and frequecy. So I guess my main questions concern more of the WHY of the WHEN, not just the when. Thanks for your insights and help. Richard Price Article 32968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:58:23 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-8u3nNh/qaRNHeqR46o6T8rWCLTvlZMbixRZ3+YXCctXZQ9fnhohabnvXzWJyA2LNF0pCbBtFSNXYnJ1!GZejSQ/5YqCjdOUxJiPKPD8ORzIzc2eHYLPW09ETK76NNkEO8eTNLbwx2fqhJDkcXpkg X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 02:58:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32968 Me wrote: > > > You might take a look at your hive though. If it's not well ventilated and > humidity is high, the bees could be having a hard time curing it. Do you > have condensation on the bottom side of your cover? If it's ventilation, > once the air gets circulating, it shouldn't take over a week for them to cap > it. > Ventilation *shouldn't* be a problem - I don't use inner covers and I always keep my outer covers canted to provide a sizable gap on two sides. Guess I'll give 'em another week but that's about the limit - sure don't want any goldenrod... Then again, I know this guy out in the Spokane area who'd probably take all I could send... :) AL Article 32969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:31:55 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-CZYuTOtNX77G84I6RazAYT1OM4vrxHiVvip4tnoF0HSZZTd6uLys22C3tOvN4GFbqvYrhyjf5J8P6qe!DihKjnk/fRjCHR845soScYtxDnmsVc/qdK4yTvXpGVd18z3dzRkShI989PuTEFJAx3VV34XZjpAT!HgH8upfnWeH/Lg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:31:55 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.11!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32969 "AL" wrote > >Guess I'll > give 'em another week but that's about the limit - sure don't want any > goldenrod... > > Then again, I know this guy out in the Spokane area who'd probably take all I > could send... :) Yeah, right. Two days ago you had *eighty* lbs. you were trying to palm off, now you're down to only *sixty*? Sounds like you already found a sucker... :-) Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:57:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-cYz4oHxOiRtdi1d6Rv12nq0fdaUpDnoP9crkQwYxwLn+h/4hGhp9LnxgaBWWqucEAOVhaqNLIPP5Az4!J8tJXolYGEzo7Umv1zR9SGQtxxS3ESIW5NLEhvFPjAbchXTP+xIPRQ+luw8AuwEjYms= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 04:57:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32970 The Rock Garden wrote: > "AL" wrote > > > >Guess I'll > > give 'em another week but that's about the limit - sure don't want any > > goldenrod... > > > > Then again, I know this guy out in the Spokane area who'd probably take > all I > > could send... :) > > Yeah, right. Two days ago you had *eighty* lbs. you were trying to palm > off, now you're down to only *sixty*? Sounds like you already found a > sucker... :-) > > Skip > Oh, didn't I tell you about the 20lb already on its way? heh heh heh ... AL Article 32971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:22:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.19.130 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027844567 216.26.19.130 (Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:22:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:22:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!central.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32971 whats wrong with golden rod? "AL" wrote in message news:3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net... > Me wrote: > > > > > > > You might take a look at your hive though. If it's not well ventilated and > > humidity is high, the bees could be having a hard time curing it. Do you > > have condensation on the bottom side of your cover? If it's ventilation, > > once the air gets circulating, it shouldn't take over a week for them to cap > > it. > > > > Ventilation *shouldn't* be a problem - I don't use inner covers and I always > keep my outer covers canted to provide a sizable gap on two sides. Guess I'll > give 'em another week but that's about the limit - sure don't want any > goldenrod... > > Then again, I know this guy out in the Spokane area who'd probably take all I > could send... :) > > AL > > Article 32972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:03:14 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-135.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32972 I gotta ask too. What is wrong with goldenrod? Bad taste? Makes you sneeze constantly? "AL" wrote in message news:3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net... > There's an old joke about two starving buzzards sitting on a dead tree > branch where one says to the other "to hell with waiting, I'm gonna kill > something". > > I have three supers with the equivalent of 12-14 full frames of uncapped > honey - they've been that way for nearly a month. I have pulled 6 frames > of 90% capped honey over that same time frame - blue ribbon stuff by the > way :) > > Its becoming desperately dry and hot in Southern Illinois, although the > humidity is *always* with us - 'the air you wear' as described by our > local weatherman. I mention that in case the climate question is raised. > > I'm beginning to view this situation from the buzzard's perspective - > someone on this group said if it doesn't shake out, then its cured. > Would that be a fairly safe assumption, or should I continue the waiting > game? My concern is that the blue ribbon stuff will soon be mixed with > goldenrod, which is beginning to bloom in abundance. If we get a good > rain, the stuff will explode. If you've never experienced the unique > qualities of goldenrod honey, maybe we can do business - once. I have > close to 60lb of it and don't really need anymore. > > So, would you say the shake test is reliable? > > > AL > Article 32973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Message-ID: <6t18ku8n79jlucr1tt8fbu0pq12jbteihq@4ax.com> References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:07:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.252.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1027868834 142.166.252.216 (Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:07:14 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:07:14 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!torn!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32973 On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:22:47 GMT, "www.Wuffman.com" wrote: >whats wrong with golden rod? I don't know what the fuss is about. It's my preferred honey - nice colour, good taste. The kind I dislike is clover. Ajo > > >"AL" wrote in message news:3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net... >> Me wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > You might take a look at your hive though. If it's not well ventilated >and >> > humidity is high, the bees could be having a hard time curing it. Do >you >> > have condensation on the bottom side of your cover? If it's >ventilation, >> > once the air gets circulating, it shouldn't take over a week for them to >cap >> > it. >> > >> >> Ventilation *shouldn't* be a problem - I don't use inner covers and I >always >> keep my outer covers canted to provide a sizable gap on two sides. Guess >I'll >> give 'em another week but that's about the limit - sure don't want any >> goldenrod... >> >> Then again, I know this guy out in the Spokane area who'd probably take >all I >> could send... :) >> >> AL >> >> > -- Ajo Wissink Article 32974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Jul 2002 15:40:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Feral colonies in SE CT Message-ID: <20020728114042.09438.00001362@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32974 2 Feral colonies in southeast CT are available one in Waterford one near Norwich , one is in a house slated for demolition one is in a tree. Free for the taking , get in touch if interested neither the builder or the tree service want to kill them and every piece of gear I own has bees in it. Article 32975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D43F57E.6278A29B@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:02:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1027879320 67.251.117.78 (Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:02:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:02:00 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32975 AL wrote: > > There's an old joke about two starving buzzards sitting on a dead tree > branch where one says to the other "to hell with waiting, I'm gonna kill > something". > AL I bought my husband (Mr. Impatience himself!) a plaque for the garage that has a buzzard on it and the inscription reads: "Patience, my ass, I'm going out and kill something." Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D447840.5E066F7B@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... 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I'm notorious for my misquotes. AL Article 32977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D447C83.4B5B34A0@hcis.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... 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What is wrong with goldenrod? Bad taste? Makes you > sneeze constantly? > I consider it to be an acquired taste - one that I can't seem to acquire. A few years ago, maybe 3 or 4, I sent a small sample to a few people on this group - one who is no longer with us. The general consensus was not favorable, Allen's being the most unmistakably unfavorable - I think he asked if I lived near a chemical plant or industrial area - I don't. I was hoping to hear Andy's response, but discovered he had not survived his illness. I can't help but wonder what his family's response was when they opened that jar. Oh yeah, there is also that guy in Spokane:) Am I sure it is goldenrod - yup...well, 90% anyway. About the time it comes on strong in the fall you'll start to read posts on this group about a funny smell coming from their hives and concerns being raised about foulbrood. That might give you a clue about the fragrance. To my palate, the flavor is right there with the fragrance. One thing I can say in its favor - the bees seem to winter over very well on the stuff. AL Article 32978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Still waiting.... 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Thanks for the heads up, I'll be able to warn the HazMat team to be on standby. :-) Do you suppose I should mention that I was able to pass your last shipment of toxic waste on to one of my wife's friends who was having a "disagreement" with her honey-loving husband? Best I can recall her comment was "He has it coming." :-) But seriously folks, would it be advantageous to use less than ideal tasting honey for mead or cyser making instead of for culinary usage? Being of sober and upstanding morals I have no experience with such brewing, but does anyone know if the flavor of the honey used is carried over to the end product? Gotta admit, Goldenrod Mead, or Goldenrod Cyser both sort of have a ring to them... Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "www.Wuffman.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3E_09.2502$SH3.2143@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:55:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1027896959 216.26.16.102 (Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:55:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:55:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32979 Hey Is it really this bad? If you think it is send me some and I will see if I can find a buyer here in Oregon... I just need a small sample... there are lots of health food stores around local with signs begging for raw honey.... If it taste that bad it has to be good for you... :o) Brian "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:OPZ09.335318$Bt1.17099265@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > "AL" wrote: > > > Oh, didn't I tell you about the 20lb already on its way? heh heh heh ... > > > Thanks for the heads up, I'll be able to warn the HazMat team to be on > standby. :-) Do you suppose I should mention that I was able to pass your > last shipment of toxic waste on to one of my wife's friends who was having a > "disagreement" with her honey-loving husband? Best I can recall her comment > was "He has it coming." :-) > > But seriously folks, would it be advantageous to use less than ideal tasting > honey for mead or cyser making instead of for culinary usage? Being of > sober and upstanding morals I have no experience with such brewing, but does > anyone know if the flavor of the honey used is carried over to the end > product? > > Gotta admit, Goldenrod Mead, or Goldenrod Cyser both sort of have a ring to > them... > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Message-ID: References: <3D434CDA.556AE006@hcis.net> <3D437951.1E0CA984@hcis.net> <3D43952C.FE30347@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:27:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.179.134.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1027898868 207.179.134.54 (Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:27:48 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:27:48 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!torn!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32980 On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:00:14 GMT, "The Rock Garden" wrote: >"AL" wrote: > >> Oh, didn't I tell you about the 20lb already on its way? heh heh heh ... > > >Thanks for the heads up, I'll be able to warn the HazMat team to be on >standby. :-) Do you suppose I should mention that I was able to pass your >last shipment of toxic waste on to one of my wife's friends who was having a >"disagreement" with her honey-loving husband? Best I can recall her comment >was "He has it coming." :-) > >But seriously folks, would it be advantageous to use less than ideal tasting >honey for mead or cyser making instead of for culinary usage? Being of >sober and upstanding morals I have no experience with such brewing, but does >anyone know if the flavor of the honey used is carried over to the end >product? > >Gotta admit, Goldenrod Mead, or Goldenrod Cyser both sort of have a ring to >them... I haven't tried golderrod mead, but goldenrod wine, made with the flowers, is quite tasty. -- Ajo Wissink Article 32981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:31:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1027920687 12.86.120.143 (Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:31:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 05:31:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:737 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32981 Hello, I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software that might be useful from your personal experiences. I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. Thanks Article 32982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:06:36 GMT References: <3D447C83.4B5B34A0@hcis.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Message-ID: <20020729090636.02856.00000020@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32982 >About the time it comes on >strong in the fall you'll start to read posts on this group about a funny >smell coming from their hives and concerns being raised about foulbrood. Goldenrod flow has an old gym sock/sneaker kind of smell Foulbrood has a days old shrimp/lobster shell kind of smell. Here goldenrod is tempered with Japanese knotweed Article 32983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:07:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Message-ID: <20020729090753.02856.00000021@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32983 You are going tio wait a year or two for your efforts of cyser/mead making to age and be at their peak. Don't fool around with any honey but your absolute best. Article 32984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:17:19 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Message-ID: <20020729091719.00698.00000020@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32984 Hi All, Our local goldenrod honey is a light amber, very sweet, and mild honey I use it as a base for quite few of my meads, cysers just being one of them. They are very popular when people are raiding my wine cellar. If it means anything its one of my mentors best selling varietys, keeping up with basswood. I do think that despite the hillsides being covered in goldenrod around here in the fall, I'm pretty sure that its a mix of wildflower the other half of the hills covered with a dozen varieties. Cheers, Dave in Madison WI.USA Article 32985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D456000.DA514EC1@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:32:16 -0700 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... References: <3D447C83.4B5B34A0@hcis.net> <20020729090636.02856.00000020@mb-fs.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.5 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1027948624 66.20.225.5 (29 Jul 2002 08:17:04 -0500) Lines: 16 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32985 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Goldenrod flow has an old gym sock/sneaker kind of smell bingo... AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Still waiting.... X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D455534.1E8FA82B@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020729091719.00698.00000020@mb-mi.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:46:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32986 I got around 60 lbs of goldenrod/aster honey last year. Both of these flowers yield honey with the same smelly characteristics. In my area both of the flowers bloom simultaneoulsly and the bees forage both. High protien content. I made some of it into mead but haven't tasted the product yet and probably won't until christmas time. I did manage to sell all the rest of it though, I found the smell mellows as the honey ages. People would buy it when my premium honey ran out. They seemed to like it. I priced it somewhat lower than my premium and made sure they were informed about the smell, diminished as it was. I say go ahead and bottle it up - your more informed customers will buy it. Mine seemed to apprieciate the variety. Billy Smart Rock, KS Lazurus106 wrote: > > Hi All, > Our local goldenrod honey is a light amber, very sweet, and mild honey I use > it as a base for quite few of my meads, cysers just being one of them. They are > very popular when people are raiding my wine cellar. > If it means anything its one of my mentors best selling varietys, keeping up > with basswood. > I do think that despite the hillsides being covered in goldenrod around here > in the fall, I'm pretty sure that its a mix of wildflower the other half of the > hills covered with a dozen varieties. > Cheers, > Dave in Madison WI.USA Article 32987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andy Pedley" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:28:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3d456ce8$0$8508$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-86-148-78.dsl.pipex.com X-Trace: 1027960040 news.dial.pipex.com 8508 81.86.148.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:738 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32987 there is some stuff on http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/bibba_downloads.html "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software that > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. > Thanks > > > > Article 32988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d456ce8$0$8508$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:10:39 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d45d97f$0$73438$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.17 X-Trace: 1027987840 dread03.news.tele.dk 73438 195.249.242.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:739 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32988 Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French, Russian, Unicode enabled might come up if interested :-) Article 32989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Mondjack" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:36:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.193.160.25 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: monger.newsread.com 1027989417 216.193.160.25 (Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:36:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:36:57 EDT Organization: ENTER.net (enter.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!cox.net!grr!newsstand.netaxs.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:740 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32989 There's a program called "BK-Economics" available from Carl Hayden Bee Research Center 2000 E. Allen Road, Tucson, AZ 85719. I don't know their web site or e-mail just their address and phone number which is 520-670-6380, extension 105 Good luck, Bill Mondjack "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software that > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. > Thanks > > > > Article 32990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:51:51 -0500 Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaUa+3IJ4zPeRaqZwUiNER7fg7f2j8MFvjdkrjQ7FRcHFdZAt4Etrt7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 2002 00:52:49 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:741 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32990 > Please give me site http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beekeepers/index.html Article 32991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d456ce8$0$8508$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <3d45d97f$0$73438$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:34:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028007271 12.86.120.26 (Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:34:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:34:31 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:746 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32991 Downloaded this one last night right after my post... a bit clunky and not overly user friendly but does provide a lot of fuctions that I was looking for. Well worth the download in my opinion and free for those that have under 10 hives :) "Jorn Johanesson" wrote in message news:3d45d97f$0$73438$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > > Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 > > hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software > updated 27-05-2001 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. > all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen > breeder > free of charge up to 10 hives. > Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French, Russian, Unicode enabled might > come up if interested :-) > > > Article 32992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:36:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028007366 12.86.120.26 (Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:36:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:36:06 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:747 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32992 Thanks for the site. These programs mostly seem geared at desease models and a program for the large scale beekeeper..... I was looking for something along the lines of a hive management and record keeping tool type program :) "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B96B4D57.C65C%barry@birkey.com... > > Please give me site > > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beekeepers/index.html > Article 32993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D4616B9.CC28912D@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sourwood Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:12:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1028009549 67.251.117.115 (Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:12:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:12:29 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32993 Is anyone in the sourwood area getting any good sourwood honey? I checked my two hives today; one is full and capped and the other is full but not yet capped. Since I didn't get any spring honey, this is great news! Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-240-201.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1028011427 6113 217.34.240.201 (30 Jul 2002 06:43:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:43:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:748 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32994 Interesting - what records are you going to keep? Im afraid most of my paper ones went by the wayside - propolis gets everywhere. Keith "Ccdrogan" wrote in message news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello, > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software that > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. > Thanks > > > > Article 32995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman.Com" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:01:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028012500 216.26.16.101 (Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:01:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:01:40 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:750 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32995 If someone has soe differnt forms they would like to have set up computerised I am very good with Excel and setting up a small data base that works with Microsoft office... Im not into Bee farming "yet" so I have not looked at what kind of information is needed to be stored... The database can be set up to use any of the data feilds to search from and pull up a specific record entry.... It might take me some time to set it up corectly but I would like to do it if any of you would like it..... I would even use MS office 95 so the database would be compatable with computers running Windows 95/ Office 95..... If someone could scan some paper forms of what the pertanent data needs to have I can work from there.... Brian Salem, Oregon, USA http://www.wuffman.com "Keith Hooker" wrote in message news:ai5cj3$5v1$1@paris.btinternet.com... > Interesting - what records are you going to keep? Im afraid most of my > paper ones went by the wayside - propolis gets everywhere. > > Keith > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Hello, > > > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software > that > > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me > > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jbhajos@earthlink.not (JBHajos) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Still waiting.... Reply-To: jbhajos@earthlunk.not Message-ID: <3d46c168.79469859@news.earthlink.net> References: <20020729090753.02856.00000021@mb-fs.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 24 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:46:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.135.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1028047594 199.174.135.241 (Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:46:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:46:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32996 On 29 Jul 2002 13:07:53 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >You are going tio wait a year or two for your efforts of cyser/mead making to >age and be at their peak. Give it four years, maybe more, in the bottle aging. My 1997 mead is just now coming of age. I've used buckwheat honey and ultraprocessed store brand honey. Both had good taste after aging but tasted horrible when not quite ripe yet. >Don't fool around with any honey but your absolute best. Experiment to find your best. > > > > > > CTHajos Hungary is not in Spain. Article 32997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" Subject: Drought Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:45:58 -0600 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ap-029neomahp0298.dialsprint.net 65.178.233.44 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa03.news.msn.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32997 Things are kinda dry here in Colorado. I keep 12 hives on the plains just east of Denver on a ranch with 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, that is when it rains. This year the sweet clover bloomed when it was 3" high and the alfalfa just didn't bother to come up. I had one hive starve out in May and the others seem to be just holding on. Looks as though there will be no surplus this year. Maybe the price of honey will go up! Article 32998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 75 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028098759 12.86.120.149 (Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:764 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32998 Here is a link to a pretty good inspection sheet, and I would like all this to be recorded in a database type program also. One thing I would add to this inspection sheet is Time of Day, and Weather conditions. Have to have adobe acrobat to open this page. http://www.pugetsoundbees.org/hiveinsp.pdf Here is an html version of the above acrobat page: NOTE: "J" that appear on this page are html errors when it came across the check boxes of the acrobat format: http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:mGKL5IcWtcAC:www.pugetsoundbees.org/hiv einsp.pdf+%22split+hive%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 "Wuffman.Com" wrote in message news:oRq19.6811$SH3.1296@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > If someone has soe differnt forms they would like to have set up > computerised I am very good with Excel and setting up a small data base that > works with Microsoft office... Im not into Bee farming "yet" so I have not > looked at what kind of information is needed to be stored... > > The database can be set up to use any of the data feilds to search from and > pull up a specific record entry.... It might take me some time to set it up > corectly but I would like to do it if any of you would like it..... I > would even use MS office 95 so the database would be compatable with > computers running Windows 95/ Office 95..... > > > If someone could scan some paper forms of what the pertanent data needs to > have I can work from there.... > > Brian > Salem, Oregon, USA > http://www.wuffman.com > > > > > "Keith Hooker" wrote in message > news:ai5cj3$5v1$1@paris.btinternet.com... > > Interesting - what records are you going to keep? Im afraid most of my > > paper ones went by the wayside - propolis gets everywhere. > > > > Keith > > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > > news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > Hello, > > > > > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software > > that > > > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > > > > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in > me > > > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > > > > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific > program. > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ccdrogan" From: "Ccdrogan" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: BeeKeeping Software? Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.86.120.149 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1028098787 12.86.120.149 (Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:59:47 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:765 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32999 See my other recent post in this thread :) "Keith Hooker" wrote in message news:ai5cj3$5v1$1@paris.btinternet.com... > Interesting - what records are you going to keep? Im afraid most of my > paper ones went by the wayside - propolis gets everywhere. > > Keith > "Ccdrogan" wrote in message > news:Pq419.12123$Kl6.742000@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Hello, > > > > I would like to get you guys to let me know of any Beekeeping software > that > > might be useful from your personal experiences. > > > > I am just going to have 1 to 2 hives to start with but the scientist in me > > would like to keep fairly detailed records etc. on the events etc... > > > > Please give me site, price if any, and plus/minus of the specific program. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Article 33000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> Subject: Re: Drought Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc02 1028125773 24.62.89.183 (Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:29:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:29:33 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:29:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc02.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33000 "CVSoderquist" wrote in message news:#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03... > Things are kinda dry here in Colorado. I keep 12 hives on the plains just > east of Denver on a ranch > with 140 acres of alfalfa and sweet clover, that is when it rains. This > year the sweet clover bloomed > when it was 3" high and the alfalfa just didn't bother > to come up. I had one hive starve out in May and the others seem to be just > holding on. Ouch... sorry to hear that. I would suggest that you feed those colonies... I recommend adding Honey Bee Healthy to the syrup - I tried this last fall with my 3 colonies and they all came though winter great. They all swarmed, but... ;-) I don't have any association with the Honey Bee Healthy people... just a happy customer. > Looks as though there will be no surplus this year. Maybe the > price of honey will go up! That would be good :-) Take care, -Steve Article 33001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: No Honey on My Toast Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drought Message-ID: <310720021027108638%honey@toasty.com> References: <#IomGuCOCHA.1452@cpimsnntpa03> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:28:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1028132884 161.184.141.129 (Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:28:04 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:28:04 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33001 Many of the Alberta bee keepers are suffering from the extended drought as well. http://edmonton.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=dk_07312002 Read the details if you are interested. Article 33002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Queen Excluder Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:42:55 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.97 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1028147609 144.134.81.97 (Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:33:29 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:33:29 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33002 G, day Folks, Even though I put my excluders in a solar melter I still find that it is still not completely clean. I have read that you can rub Vaseline in the excluder, is this correct? Malcolm Article 33003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July 31st Beehive in Barn! Yours for the Taking. Sharon CT. get it now Date: 31 Jul 2002 13:42:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0207311242.1e2ca175@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.88.159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1028148129 14816 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2002 20:42:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2002 20:42:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33003 I just got a call from a guy that is destroying a barn with a nice bee hive in it. They are just going to kill it but if anyone wants dibs on it before the destruction, let me know ASAP Norman Patterson Article 33004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Ross McTaggart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0207311242.1e2ca175@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: July 31st Beehive in Barn! Yours for the Taking. Sharon CT. get it now Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:22:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.114.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1028161865 216.209.114.176 (Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:31:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:31:05 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:33004 Where might this barn bee? TeeHee. "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0207311242.1e2ca175@posting.google.com... > I just got a call from a guy that is destroying a barn with a nice bee > hive in it. They are just going to kill it but if anyone wants dibs > on it before the destruction, let me know ASAP > > Norman Patterson