Article 36202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net![127.0.0.1]!spamblock From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free to a good home - 2 colonies of bees, plus equipment N. Devon, UK Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:14:36 +0100 Organization: 127.0.0.1 Lines: 17 Sender: spamblock@[127.0.0.1] Message-ID: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.25.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1057223782 7274 217.135.25.47 (3 Jul 2003 09:16:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2003 09:16:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36202 Due to our other commitments we want to get rid of our bees. We have 2 colonies, a good size one seen though last winter and a recently captured swarm, free to anyone who wants to pick 'em up. Also A bunch of equipment for sale; Stainless steel radial extractor [4 frame hand crank Dadant], Stainless steel honey strainer, and plenty of National hive bodies, frames et al. email me at the address below, the one in the header won't work. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 36203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining hives/newspaper question... Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:13:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3f0400b6.564773096@news1.radix.net> References: <3f022465$0$87831$38cece19@news.newshosting.com> <3f02d63f.488381083@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip153.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36203 On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:00:49 GMT, "Christopher Petree" wrote: >During a honey flow, bees will combine quite well without a newspaper >between the supers. Combing without any protective measure (i.e. sugar syrup >spray or newspaper) during a dearth of nectar creates a bad situation since >most of the hives are already in a defensive mode from robbing--what results >is a pile of dead bees. > >Christopher Petree > > You're right. Opening hives at the wrong time will get robbing going and can really screw up an apiary. Combining hives with newspaper at the wrong time and you will still have a pile of dead bees. The same goes with feeding, taking honey, etc. There are no set rules in beekeeping, you have to become in tune with the bees and learn to act accordanly. Beekeeping is more of an art than a science. beekeep Article 36204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: rubes@infostations.com (Janet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Didn't draw much foundation during spring flow, should I feed 2:1 sugar water to help? Date: 3 Jul 2003 07:09:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <747f6cf3.0307030609.48b98236@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.134.204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057241360 2292 127.0.0.1 (3 Jul 2003 14:09:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2003 14:09:20 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36204 Hi, During our blackberry flow, the bees quickly filled up medium supers with drawn comb on Permadent foundation. I then added new supers with new undrawn Permadent foundation and they immediately slowed down. I tried to draw them up by putting a frame of drawn wax and honey in each super, and they added to it, but not much. Now we are heading into a dearth before Starflower thistle comes in, and we expect a big crop. Should I feed 2:1 sugar water to try and get the bees to draw out the rest of the foundation before the flow? Thanks, Janet Article 36205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!posted1.newshosting.com!not-for-mail Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:59:39 -0400 From: Java User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining hives/newspaper question... References: <3f022465$0$87831$38cece19@news.newshosting.com> <3f02d63f.488381083@news1.radix.net> <3f0400b6.564773096@news1.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <3f0400b6.564773096@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3f046f57$0$87843$38cece19@news.newshosting.com> Organization: Test Server NNTP-Posting-Host: 0f78421a.news.newshosting.com X-Trace: DXC=\aobkMP9f>HU_eAG3DMYF@Df:`J`]GR>@[5KRNHnjh0HLH_IISLKAaELZE7gXO`;KIDi[b;omY>VD X-Complaints-To: abuse@westelcom.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36205 Well, things went fine, I went down today, to remove the newspaper if I needed to, but there were 2 huge holes in the center of it, and everything looks great in the hive itself. Nice and calm, no fuss, bees coming and going. I'm quite pleased. Jen beekeep wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:00:49 GMT, "Christopher Petree" > wrote: > > >>During a honey flow, bees will combine quite well without a newspaper >>between the supers. Combing without any protective measure (i.e. sugar syrup >>spray or newspaper) during a dearth of nectar creates a bad situation since >>most of the hives are already in a defensive mode from robbing--what results >>is a pile of dead bees. >> >>Christopher Petree Article 36206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail From: "Wilf Baker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Location Please Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-252-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1057263539 20207 213.122.252.73 (3 Jul 2003 20:18:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36206 Could contributors please give an indication of their Location for instance. US West Coast/East Coast: Middle East UK South/North France Etc Australia as some advice recently given by a UK Beekeeper was very wrong to the Enquirer who turned out to be in East Africa. Article 36207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Peter Schultes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <023Na.3790$ic1.78309@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:32:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.34.64.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.tampabay.rr.com 1057275132 65.34.64.58 (Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:32:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:32:12 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - Tampa Bay Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36207 Friends; Only having had a hive for four months, I'm not sure what I am experiencing. I went to the hive today and found the whole front coated with bees. There were still some coming in and out of the enterance, but the majority seemed to be just hanging around. Is this normal? Should we be doing anything? Thanks, Peter Article 36208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Peanut like growth Date: 3 Jul 2003 17:29:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0307031629.3c9d8551@posting.google.com> References: <3f017d79.400137209@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.3.85.181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057278569 21986 127.0.0.1 (4 Jul 2003 00:29:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2003 00:29:29 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36208 It could be that burr comb blocked the top of the first hive body & so they couldn't move up into the second one. Could be that they had already started on the queen cells (or the impetus to build them) before you got the 2nd body on. Could be it's a holdover from when they were crowded in the nuc. Could be the current queen is wimpy & they decided to replace her. 2 choices: smash the queen cells & hope they don't build any more You can move the queen cells up into the frame & then the new queen will supercede the old one instead of making a swarm. at least that's what I think....but I could be wrong.... Article 36209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:11:21 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <747f6cf3.0307030609.48b98236@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Didn't draw much foundation during spring flow, should I feed 2:1 sugar water to help? Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5PWcnbGNgPynSZmiXTWJjQ@crcom.net> Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.160 X-Trace: sv3-Rq5ZYaH2E3nry4Bg/YHCJBbonKnA5L4PiBLA/bLny6LB5jzluGeB4LRvT/DYPfpO9dDAKAYta65uecl!J3rzYOuR55eaDSjfDerZaY60il44XRSVF7+Q+DmGsjwGxVtF9A7CyKjhjNkyo0joDL2C68g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36209 2:1 sugar water won't stimulate drawing foundation. It will just clog your brood nest and cut down on the space available for the queen to lay eggs. 1:1 or possible a little less will stimulate comb building. Put the super with foundation directly above the brood chamber with no queen excluder until they get a good start. Spraying the foundation with sugar water will help. Putting wet, extracted comb on the outside four frames of the super of foundation will also get them to working. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark Hi, During our blackberry flow, the bees quickly filled up medium supers with drawn comb on Permadent foundation. I then added new supers with new undrawn Permadent foundation and they immediately slowed down. I tried to draw them up by putting a frame of drawn wax and honey in each super, and they added to it, but not much. Now we are heading into a dearth before Starflower thistle comes in, and we expect a big crop. Should I feed 2:1 sugar water to try and get the bees to draw out the rest of the foundation before the flow? Thanks, Janet Article 36210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:37:27 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <023Na.3790$ic1.78309@twister.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Question Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.160 X-Trace: sv3-qNqgA1FqEXMiFq37eBECRAZ6IbcWvrowe/iEbNYmIvWZBYA+xHMX4fo7FpMcqNhjTrPtrcldrgbAGSW!zahPMRlRZRDLx7i0WpDWCp70trROLc287x64WAayEVRKp4M5VEtzURtztrpwigXwsc2JpJk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36210 Hello Peter, This could be normal, but it depends on where you are, the weather, and a few other things. They may be crowded and need more brood space or supers or both. They could be just hot and the hive needs a little more ventilation. They could be too crowded and preparing to swarm. Can you give us a little more info? Where are you and what's the weather been like? Is there a nectar flow going on now? Are you still feeding them? If you're feeding, what method, how often, what sugar to water ratio by weight, and how much? How big is the brood chamber now? How many supers do you have on? Is all the foundation in the brood chambers and supers drawn out? Are the supers full? What kind of hive configuration do you have - open mesh floor? Upper entrance? Do you have your entrance restricted or wide open? Is the hive in the sun or shade? Have you looked in the brood chamber and what do you see - queen cells? What are the bees doing - lots of coming and going with pollen coming in? (West Texas) Mark "Peter Schultes" wrote in message news:023Na.3790$ic1.78309@twister.tampabay.rr.com... Friends; Only having had a hive for four months, I'm not sure what I am experiencing. I went to the hive today and found the whole front coated with bees. There were still some coming in and out of the enterance, but the majority seemed to be just hanging around. Is this normal? Should we be doing anything? Thanks, Peter Article 36211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!3831230c!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Bonnie" From: "Bonnie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3f017d79.400137209@news1.radix.net> <7fe11997.0307031629.3c9d8551@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Peanut like growth Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 04:44:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.190.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 1057293864 204.186.190.50 (Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:44:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:44:24 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36211 To late they've already swarmed! They are hanging in our apple tree! Couldn't get ahold of anyone to find out where to go with them. I don't have another hive to put them in ,and I still see some bees still going in the hive! Any suggestions? "Ken" wrote in message news:7fe11997.0307031629.3c9d8551@posting.google.com... > It could be that burr comb blocked the top of the first hive body & so > they couldn't move up into the second one. Could be that they had > already started on the queen cells (or the impetus to build them) > before you got the 2nd body on. Could be it's a holdover from when > they were crowded in the nuc. Could be the current queen is wimpy & > they decided to replace her. > > 2 choices: > > smash the queen cells & hope they don't build any more > > You can move the queen cells up into the frame & then the new queen > will supercede the old one instead of making a swarm. > > at least that's what I think....but I could be wrong.... Article 36212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Peanut like growth Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:52:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3f055b81.654319819@news1.radix.net> References: <3f017d79.400137209@news1.radix.net> <7fe11997.0307031629.3c9d8551@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip155.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36212 On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 04:44:24 GMT, "Bonnie" wrote: >To late they've already swarmed! They are hanging in our apple tree! >Couldn't get ahold of anyone to find out where to go with them. I don't have >another hive to put them in ,and I still see some bees still going in the >hive! Any suggestions? Go buy some cigars to hand out! That's not bees hanging in the tree, it's your honey crop. beekeep Article 36213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 08:08:48 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3f017d79.400137209@news1.radix.net> <7fe11997.0307031629.3c9d8551@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Peanut like growth Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:09:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.110 X-Trace: sv3-xiAM4MTitzDv6TVED8PLaJsbdBLwDNP045loqTs9QfkPSF6F9g6iL1LPA/SQFxpK8+6MNwXCPOjrTPD!uwwcdxcB3/P6EgtqkYkLh8GEHOtO5z3Kp67zPVoyBz2xjxbtTwH4oEM27cUbXlj1GCIsOAA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36213 You can catch the swarm with a cardboard box until you get a hive to put them in. Close it up and leave a small opening for them to go in and out. Any other box will do too. Those 5 GL. paper mashie plant pots with a lid work well too. It would be nice to be able to put some frames in what you use and it should be strong enough to hold a feed jar. You should feed them just like you did the original colony. If you're lucky, they'll stay and you will have a new colony. Good Luck (West Texas) Mark To late they've already swarmed! They are hanging in our apple tree! Couldn't get ahold of anyone to find out where to go with them. I don't have another hive to put them in ,and I still see some bees still going in the hive! Any suggestions? Article 36214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bees Seized Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:40:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.66.226.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1057336852 66.66.226.58 (Fri, 04 Jul 2003 12:40:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 12:40:52 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36214 What does anyone know about the 8000 queens that were seized and destroyed by the Canadains? Article 36215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news3.optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "joe doe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PEREZIN Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 18:03:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.189.179.192 X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1057341809 24.189.179.192 (Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:03:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:03:29 EDT Organization: Optimum Online Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36215 can anybody help with locating the store to buy PEREZIN in strips, not liquid? Thanks. Matko Article 36216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: claudia.m.chan@hellomimi.com (HelloMiMi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it possible to find Lavender farms in Spain? Date: 4 Jul 2003 13:29:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <36228ddf.0307041229.6903f035@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.14.130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057350566 22553 127.0.0.1 (4 Jul 2003 20:29:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2003 20:29:26 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36216 Especially near Barcelona/Velencia? I am going to Spain in late August and the train ride to Provene seems a bit too far. Thanks in advance. Claudia Article 36217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!oleane.net!oleane!teaser.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "islander" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: super entrance Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:05:49 +0400 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 76 Message-ID: Reply-To: "islander" NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-stdenis-104-1-148.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: news-reader3.wanadoo.fr 1057376741 3294 193.250.137.148 (5 Jul 2003 03:45:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2003 03:45:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36217 somebody wrote about how to make the bees use an upper entrance. I had problems with humidity in the hives, mycosis on frames and combs, ants living on the hive roof with all the ants eggs... I had idear to remove the roof elements by simply a sheet of thick, clear glass, just 1 centimeter larger and longuer than the body hive. A french master Alain Caillas wrote "they produce almost 3 times more in clear hives", and they become so kind girls. It's known Clear hives are much expensive than ordinary, But I thought maybe I'm clever than the others(!!! we never know!!!), and only replacing original roof by a glass I could earn a part of a clear one benefits. I thought I will 1) guet rid of ants over the hive 2) help to guet the hive more dry 3) say good bye to the mites as they hate the light 4) maybe if Caillas was right, they would become more kind it happens they immediatly want to go out thru the upper of the hive, thru the glass (impossible) so they stay all along the day colliting with the glass here. and also I had a lot of water condensation on the glass inside.And some day with sun, the hive become very hot, too much in fact. after that I did experimentations. I let some small openings under the glass, the side the sun is(because they insist go out that place only), I put a layer of plastic insulation that let maybe 40% of the light coming in, no more, so protect from hard sun and also keep better the warm during the night (but I am in tropical area in Reunion Island), with just 2 centimeter not covered by insulation, in the sun direction, so they can see hard sun from that and quicky go out at work from that place, because the small openings are near. It works very well. an important amount of bees use the openings, very quickly after put the glass, just need a few days so they become used about where exactly are the openings. It seems as they see the sun they wake up and directly go at work ! I even see sometimes bees with pollen, enter into the hive from the bottom, and arrived inside they forguet they are still loaded, and then go out for work from the upper openning, then realise they are still loaded and enter again. mites have a few. ants none.with the isolation, no condensation inside, and the small upper openings give better ventilation. and the girls really became very very kind.They love the light, can see what their job inside... I don't know what's the reason.Why keeping these sun lover's in the dark ? it's simple. the same hive if you remove the roof without smoke, you guet 20 girls on you after 2 seconds in a very bad mood you know what I mean, and now with light, I open without protection on me and without smoke, they don't mind ! I can even put my bare hand into the hive, they don't bother. And the season is not good : rainy, cold, and no flowers, and they have a few honey reserve. I don't know if I can go far, remove frames, etc without smoke. This is not shure. Later on I will try. So for the person who wants have upper openings, this is an immediate way, and it works nearly immediatly. for them to go out at least. To enter, it's not immediat. because when they arrive, flying on the hive they remember only the old entrance. But the new born bees guet used to go out using the upper, and return into the upper again after work returning into the hive. If somebody have done similar experiences, I would be curious to know about. sorry if English mistakes, I'm only french ! this file is very interesting. Article 36218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Queen Bees Seized Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:01:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1057384911 66.222.85.46 (Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:01:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:01:51 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36218 They were being smuggled in and they were caught. The canadians require you to place the queens in quarantine, destroy the attendent bees and replace them with certified disease free attendents, and after a period of time when they determine the queens to be disease free you can have them I guess. How sad and what a waste. wrote in message news:o6iNa.47761$8B.19663@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > What does anyone know about the 8000 queens that were seized and destroyed > by the Canadains? > > Article 36219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 07:38:15 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: super entrance Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 07:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.4 X-Trace: sv3-m0dV6o4uPSP5yqs8uH6d5OPOXOQiYs+fORLgYhJbjWsd+9YMxrQf1T5PbGzWNaJMHy9GUNopOXcJPI/!hzV36IWMVrMvo2NUBnEG9fSzvT9KIQGHIIv2rNG/a711TU0S9jYBsFQRupm2qU8cfdIh X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36219 I've noticed that bees will become easy to work if the cover is removed for a minute or two before trying to do anything. I've also noticed that if I open the top slowly, just a crack, to let the light in first (away from me), then remove it slowly, the bees are much better to work with rather than removing the top quickly. It seems to take them a few seconds to get used to the light. If the top is opened quickly, the shock makes them very grumpy. Having said all this, I still use smoke. Smoke helps with the guard bees in the front. It also lets me move the bees away from the edges and back into the hive when I want to put supers back on. Smoke will also drive many of the bees down into the rest of the hive and out of the hive body you want to work on before taking it off. Also, when I take hive bodies off, whether it's supers or brood chambers, I set them down on the ground standing up. This tends to keep the bees calm and allows me to see the top and bottom of the frames without actually taking them out. Swarm cells are a snap to identify and destroy if need be. It also let you see brood patterns, whether or not honey is capped, and the percent of drone cells without removing a single frame. Hope this info is helpful. (West Texas) Mark Article 36220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: PEREZIN Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 16:04:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1057421089 24.64.223.206 (Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:04:49 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:04:49 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36220 I'm not sure but I think the mites are almost resistant that's why I have the new Oxamite strips in my colonies, works fine so far. Like Perizin, it kills Varroa outside the cells but without contaminating the wax. "joe doe" wrote in message news:RjjNa.21827$5h.7241429@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net... > can anybody help with locating the store to buy PEREZIN in strips, not > liquid? > > Thanks. > > Matko > > Article 36222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Darin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fooling bees Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:34:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36222 Try frontline, gets rid of fleas, and ticks. but u have to put a drop on the shoulder blades of each bee Article 36223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Darin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fooling bees Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 22:37:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36223 Try frontline, it works for fleas and ticks. But u have to put a drop of the shoulder bones of each and every bee Article 36224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 07:27:46 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: fooling bees Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 07:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.138 X-Trace: sv3-MWYCaDbgnpJ4GzzMpy/usmDE54hb8eoLFNvRNAwOYcJ5jkOjE/u0uiyPZNmb8ozmEp3GXi4Z9BgIo28!8W8c4W99UIf7oMpyc/rP5AS5MeADXPcURnEyrzCvER2+OFZuZye6Z/Sfg9jOGvmsHf8gEQ4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36224 Ha! Think that's tough? Try milking the beggars come harvest time!!! (West Texas) Mark "Darin" wrote in message news:vgf6c1ehmiatc3@corp.supernews.com... Try frontline, it works for fleas and ticks. But u have to put a drop of the shoulder bones of each and every bee Article 36225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!zen.net.uk!news-xfer.cox.net!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news3.optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "joe doe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: PEREZIN Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:37:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.189.179.192 X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1057509447 24.189.179.192 (Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:37:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:37:27 EDT Organization: Optimum Online Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36225 Dear beeguy, Sorry for my Joe do name. I by mistake had wrong entry in the reply info. This is for my father in Croatia. They are having trouble with the varroa. Where do you buy Oxamite strips? Thank you, Matko Tomicic matko@hamptons.com "Beeguy" wrote in message news:BGCNa.361482$3C2.9859435@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > I'm not sure but I think the mites are almost resistant that's why I have > the new Oxamite strips in my colonies, works fine so far. Like Perizin, it > kills Varroa outside the cells but without contaminating the wax. > > "joe doe" wrote in message > news:RjjNa.21827$5h.7241429@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net... > > can anybody help with locating the store to buy PEREZIN in strips, not > > liquid? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Matko > > > > > > Article 36226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!195.40.4.120.MISMATCH!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is the plant Chamaenerion? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:36:30 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3f085d82$0$13732$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.134.18.252 X-Trace: DXC=>@8ORe:=C>hHFZh=bUEeS`FnQJVd5@jRc:nBff0=b`Aa Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36226 Am looking at some interesting figures for occurrences of pollen in samples of uk honey. All the botanical names but one I have looked up but Chamaenerion does not feature in my book of wild flowers. It is one of the top nectar plants of the uk but not Ireland. Tim W Article 36227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: PEREZIN Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:45:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1057520755 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:45:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:45:55 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36227 Hi Matko You can buy strips from the distributor in Germany or from the factory in Canada. I give you the website but I'm almost sure you will find the page on the net. http://de.geocities.com/vaporizerklaus/ "joe doe" wrote in message news:bfYNa.42170$5h.14362902@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net... > Dear beeguy, > > Sorry for my Joe do name. I by mistake had wrong entry in the reply info. > > This is for my father in Croatia. They are having trouble with the varroa. > > Where do you buy Oxamite strips? > > Thank you, > > Matko Tomicic > matko@hamptons.com > > "Beeguy" wrote in message > news:BGCNa.361482$3C2.9859435@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > > I'm not sure but I think the mites are almost resistant that's why I have > > the new Oxamite strips in my colonies, works fine so far. Like Perizin, it > > kills Varroa outside the cells but without contaminating the wax. > > > > "joe doe" wrote in message > > news:RjjNa.21827$5h.7241429@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net... > > > can anybody help with locating the store to buy PEREZIN in strips, not > > > liquid? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Matko > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 36228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Make thousands of quick...$$$! References: <8idLa.1634$Kb2.42489@news010.worldonline.dk> <1056824978.142040@spinics.net> In-Reply-To: <1056824978.142040@spinics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:43:16 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.71.119 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1057527797 213.142.71.119 (Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:43:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:43:17 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36228 ellis@no.spam skrev: > In article <8idLa.1634$Kb2.42489@news010.worldonline.dk>, > Jostein Mork wrote: > > >> What have this to do with beekeeping??? > > > Why did you quote it and thus post it again? > > > Thanks anyway, >I got your point.. Article 36229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!easynet-melon!easynet.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2003070701160075982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 01:16:00 +0100 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 2.16 10003987 Subject: Re: What is the plant Chamaenerion? References: <3f085d82$0$13732$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Lines: 15 X-Trace: 1057536842 master.news.zetnet.net 773 194.247.47.30 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36229 The message <3f085d82$0$13732$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> from "Tim Whittingham" contains these words: > Am looking at some interesting figures for occurrences of pollen in samples > of uk honey. All the botanical names but one I have looked up but > Chamaenerion does not feature in my book of wild flowers. It is one of the > top nectar plants of the uk but not Ireland. > Tim W Chamaenerion is the archaic name for the Rose Bay Willowherb - Epilobium angustifolium Phil. Article 36230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Ajo Wissink Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the plant Chamaenerion? Message-ID: References: <3f085d82$0$13732$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 01:21:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.243.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1057540909 142.166.243.207 (Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:21:49 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:21:49 ADT Organization: Aliant Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36230 On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:36:30 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" wrote: >Am looking at some interesting figures for occurrences of pollen in samples >of uk honey. All the botanical names but one I have looked up but >Chamaenerion does not feature in my book of wild flowers. It is one of the >top nectar plants of the uk but not Ireland. It's another name for Epilobium: fire-weed, willow-weed. Look it up in Google; I saw over 900 references. -- Ajo Wissink Article 36231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: mghamdi@hotmail.com (Mansour) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers Date: 7 Jul 2003 04:44:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.138.47.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057578253 19585 127.0.0.1 (7 Jul 2003 11:44:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2003 11:44:13 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36231 Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? Can you help me to find the best way to do it? Article 36232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.uncensored-news.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:25:55 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-60-44.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1057595157 15686 62.151.60.44 (7 Jul 2003 16:25:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:25:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36232 Over here in Mallorca, Spain we have a furter problem: the bird is protected, so we can not kill the creature, I have a picture of one in one of my pages: http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/Abeja103.htm Sugestions on how to control de bird will be appreciated, Jose Matas "Mansour" escribió en el mensaje news:b9cf9216.0307070344.762f277@posting.google.com... > Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? > Can you help me to find the best way to do it? Article 36233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:32:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3f09f4d4.44505796@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip192.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36233 On 7 Jul 2003 04:44:12 -0700, mghamdi@hotmail.com (Mansour) wrote: >Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? >Can you help me to find the best way to do it? Why don't you ship them over to the US. That's what everybody else does with their pests. beekeep Article 36234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeed.lhr.globix.net!nella.toplink-plannet.de!feed.news.toplink-plannet.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "D. Kauhl" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees near mailbox Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 01:01:14 +0200 Organization: T-Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1057618958 00 1959 TELQVneSUYHot 030707 23:02:38 X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@t-online.de X-ID: Vxns9gZ1oetf0M1Gtyyf+NhLYStfviIAga9TOeEzqLHRtXGUyNND48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36234 bumblebees are attracted by dark looking holes = entrance of nest - what are the colors of them? tell the mail carrier, bumblebees never attack "jsclar" wrote in message news:d6589e6c571a9c00a413ee034e51b0d5@news.usenetrocket.com... > For several weeks I have seen one or two bumblebees hovering around my > mailbox. However, I have never seen them land on it or the post it is > mounted on, and there is no obvious evidence of any nest construction in > the box or the wood post. The mailbox is the ordinary white-painted > metal type. > > Do the bees think it is some kind of bee-god (joke) or what is going on? > No real problem except yesterday the mail carrier didn't deliver the > mail because she was afraid of the bee. > > Thanks in advance. Article 36235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiguard for varroa? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:14:06 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1057659442 2147 193.237.253.225 (8 Jul 2003 10:17:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:17:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36235 In article , Tim Whittingham writes >Can I rely on annual/biannual applications of Apiguard (Thymol gel) as a >prophylactic varroa treatment in the uk? Not prophylactic as we all have varroa. It is a useful treatment. Use a mesh floor to assess numbers of mites and whether one treatment or two is needed each year. I have treated all my colonies so far. Some last autumn, most left to find the best to breed from. In the autumn I used 1 application only. In spring most colonies had 2 or 3 applications a few 4 because of high mite numbers. I did find 5 with low counts so it was worthwhile. The only problem I noticed was a tendency with a late treatment, for bees to hang out the front. In one case, in a small box, the bees all hung out and cleaned out the brood (not a lot as it had not long been made up as an old queen nuc) but restarted once in a larger box. Now I adjust the amount in the application to suit the colony size. -- James Kilty Article 36236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Superceedure Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:25:29 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9r$3dQAZHKC$EwQj@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <2b6bbvseim4kh5etg2mohgb9s8m0ajalsk@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1057659444 2147 193.237.253.225 (8 Jul 2003 10:17:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:17:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36236 In article <2b6bbvseim4kh5etg2mohgb9s8m0ajalsk@4ax.com>, Steve Newport writes >How can you tell, at the end of the season, if a queen cell is meant >to supercede your current Queen, or is just a late swarm? Usually less than 5 cells, usually higher up, certainly in the brood and within the nest. Swarm cells are usually more than 5, in batches that would hatch at different times and at the edge of the brood nest, i.e. all round it, usually in the lower half. The swarming season will be known locally and be exaggerated if the queen has not enough room to lay or the bees have not enough room to store nectar. The key is "at the end of the season". Though I have seen colonies supersede in the spring, with one cell only, and they can do it at any time, usually they do it in the late summer or autumn, either during the summer flow or just after, and even in the autumn flow (we have ivy here in West Cornwall, UK mid-September to mid-October). Sometimes weak colonies just seem to go on a while before they decide to supersede in the summer, then they start to do well. If it is August, and there were more than 5 cells, I would take some insurance and watch what happens the first warm day after the cell should be capped. After the new queen hatches it is interesting to see how long the old queen carries on laying - occasionally it is into the next spring. -- James Kilty Article 36237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: killing of drones -need help Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:33:59 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <0Ls1lUAXPKC$EwT5@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <5542a326.0305260221.4aef5bc8@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1057659459 2147 193.237.253.225 (8 Jul 2003 10:17:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:17:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02aS Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36237 In article <5542a326.0305260221.4aef5bc8@posting.google.com>, farid writes >i am a beekeeper and unfortunately i see that in my colonies worker >bees kill drones >now climate is very good and there are many flowers in my area and i >don't know what is the main cause of killing of drones by worker bees Leave them to it. They know how many they need or can feed. They contribute to the health of the hive, may even help keep it warm and lead out young bees on orientation flights. Certainly colonies that have their drones removed make more and if removed again can appear to lose heart. But if they do it themselves, it must be fine. There will be some good reason, given they have had a few million years to work it out. -- James Kilty Article 36238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees near mailbox Date: 8 Jul 2003 07:33:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0307080633.17fa5171@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.31.156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057674807 6389 127.0.0.1 (8 Jul 2003 14:33:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2003 14:33:27 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36238 jsclar wrote in message news:... > For several weeks I have seen one or two bumblebees hovering around my > mailbox. However, I have never seen them land on it or the post it is > mounted on, and there is no obvious evidence of any nest construction in > the box or the wood post. The mailbox is the ordinary white-painted > metal type. > > Do the bees think it is some kind of bee-god (joke) or what is going on? > No real problem except yesterday the mail carrier didn't deliver the > mail because she was afraid of the bee. > > Thanks in advance. Sit down and look for a 3/8" hole in the post, carpenter bees are pretty subtle. Harmless too. Article 36239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:22:20 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3f0b19e6$0$76156$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.93 X-Trace: 1057692134 dread11.news.tele.dk 76156 195.249.242.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36239 My preious message about update to my software was concerning an install update! I havenow put up the update as a pure zip file reducing it to 1,.72 MB http://apimo.dk/programs/Beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip best regards Jorn -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 36240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.telebyte.nl!nntpfeed-01.ops.asmr-01.energis-idc.net!newshub1.home.nl!home.nl!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:11:14 +0100 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 2.16 10003987 Subject: Re: Apiguard for varroa? References: Lines: 22 X-Trace: 1057713122 master.news.zetnet.net 773 194.247.47.30 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36240 The message from James Kilty contains these words: > In article , Tim > Whittingham writes > >Can I rely on annual/biannual applications of Apiguard (Thymol gel) as a > >prophylactic varroa treatment in the uk? > Not prophylactic as we all have varroa. snip Not so, parts of Scotland (especially the Highlands north of the Great Glen) are free of varroa. The UK government only declared the whole of the UK infected to save the bother (and money) of policing the remoter areas. Many of us have been using prophylactic treatments for the last two years in preparation for the 'evil day'. Phil Northern Highlands of Scotland Article 36241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!194.168.222.61.MISMATCH!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Apiguard for varroa? Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <11XOa.518$0w6.49947@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:02:20 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.4.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1057766589 62.255.4.221 (Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:03:09 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:03:09 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36241 "Phil Gurr" wrote in message news:2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk... > The message > from James Kilty contains these words: > > > In article , Tim > > Whittingham writes > > >Can I rely on annual/biannual applications of Apiguard (Thymol gel) as a > > >prophylactic varroa treatment in the uk? > > > Not prophylactic as we all have varroa. > > snip > > Not so, parts of Scotland (snip) are free of varroa. ... Indeed. But maybe not strictly prophylactic for me in Somerset and if James wants to throw in a little pedantry with his valuable advice and experience them that's fine by me. I meant that I was planning to treat routinely as a matter of course without forking drones, counting mites, inserting paper floor linings or any of that palaver. And what a word! pro-phy-lactic. When I was a young lad I went to the chemists and very nervously asked the woman at the counter for some of those. Without batting an eyelid she said 'What size?' I could have died. I was dumbstruck. 'Pack of three or pack of twelve?' she said. - phew! Tim W Article 36242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiguard for varroa? Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 21:37:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3f0c8ad7.213974249@news1.radix.net> References: <2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk> <11XOa.518$0w6.49947@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip151.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36242 On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:02:20 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" wrote: > >"Phil Gurr" wrote in message >news:2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk... >> The message >> from James Kilty contains these >words: >> >> > In article , Tim >> > Whittingham writes >> > >Can I rely on annual/biannual applications of Apiguard (Thymol gel) >as a >> > >prophylactic varroa treatment in the uk? >> >> > Not prophylactic as we all have varroa. >> >> snip >> >> Not so, parts of Scotland (snip) are free of varroa. ... > >Indeed. But maybe not strictly prophylactic for me in Somerset and if >James >wants to throw in a little pedantry with his valuable advice and >experience >them that's fine by me. I meant that I was planning to treat routinely >as a >matter of course without forking drones, counting mites, inserting paper >floor linings or any of that palaver. > >And what a word! pro-phy-lactic. When I was a young lad I went to the >chemists and very nervously asked the woman at the counter for some of >those. Without batting an eyelid she said 'What size?' I could have >died. I >was dumbstruck. 'Pack of three or pack of twelve?' she said. - phew! > >Tim W > > > All the ones made here in the states for export are marked "size small". beekeep Article 36243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news-xfer.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny03.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Charles Puffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 04:40:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.154.58.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny03.gnilink.net 1057812056 141.154.58.160 (Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:40:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:40:56 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36243 Mansour wrote: > Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? > Can you help me to find the best way to do it? Has anyone tried cutouts models or recordings of birds of pray, like owls or hawks? Charles Puffer Article 36244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!aotearoa.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wxs.nl!textnews.wxs.nl!not-for-mail From: thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:54:00 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3F0D29A8.E9DDB3FF@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <3f09f4d4.44505796@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: alc254.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1057827404 4978 195.207.101.254 (10 Jul 2003 08:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2003 08:56:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36244 beekeep wrote: > > >Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? > > Why don't you ship them over to the US. That's what everybody else > does with their pests. yes that's through ... it began with sending white people. cheers, Hugo -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (\ phone : +32-(0)3-240.94.52 {||8- fax : +32-(0)3-240.99.49 (/ Article 36245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Bruce Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protecting Bees from Bee-eathers Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:20:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <2qpqgv4m4tk8jlrd60tq1mtogvqglqnim3@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36245 Just a thought... I read where CDs hung with a single strand of fishing line in fruit trees would keep birds away. (the old pie pan theory) I hung some in my fig tree last week and so far no birds. The slightest breeze makes them spin and it's like a disco show. Wonder if it would work around a hive? At least something to use those AOL CDs for. Bruce On 7 Jul 2003 04:44:12 -0700, mghamdi@hotmail.com (Mansour) wrote: >Has anyone tried a method for scaring bee-eaters to leave bees alone? >Can you help me to find the best way to do it? Article 36246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!localhost!not-for-mail From: fletch@gate.gormenghast Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apiguard for varroa? Date: 9 Jul 2003 23:11:25 -0700 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <2003070902111475982@zetnet.co.uk> <11XOa.518$0w6.49947@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> <3f0c8ad7.213974249@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-007.newsdawg.com Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36246 >All the ones made here in the states for export are marked "size >small". As opposed to the egos, which are all marked XXL (oversize stock). M. Article 36247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: n1aep@yahoo.com (biodlare) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Less/least prolific strains? Date: 10 Jul 2003 08:04:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <28b083bc.0307100704.708ce874@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.67.6.46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057849453 8835 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2003 15:04:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2003 15:04:13 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36247 Can anyone suggest a less prolific strain of honey bee which is commercially bred and available in North America? Hope to establish colonies that are somewhat less populous and not so heavy-brooding as the average Italians, yet still good producers. (Selection of this sort has been undertaken in UK from time to time, I understand, but how about in NA?) Any suggestions or comparisons out there? Thanks. Article 36248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: a.militis@swim-fast.co.uk (Andre MILITIS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa control Date: 10 Jul 2003 08:41:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: <253acc3.0307100741.2a3ffe30@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.9.7.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057851681 10286 127.0.0.1 (10 Jul 2003 15:41:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2003 15:41:21 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36248 Has anyone used BiVital for varroa treatment supplied by SWIENTY of danmark and what are the result Article 36249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Less/least prolific strains? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:11:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3f0d8fbc.280756532@news1.radix.net> References: <28b083bc.0307100704.708ce874@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip170.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36249 On 10 Jul 2003 08:04:12 -0700, n1aep@yahoo.com (biodlare) wrote: >Can anyone suggest a less prolific strain of honey bee which is >commercially bred and available in North America? > >Hope to establish colonies that are somewhat less populous and not so >heavy-brooding as the average Italians, yet still good producers. >(Selection of this sort has been undertaken in UK from time to time, I >understand, but how about in NA?) > >Any suggestions or comparisons out there? > >Thanks. How about the Carniolans? They are gentle, very fast spring buildup, queens slow down with a waining nectar flow, and small winter populations. The down side is that they tend to swarm at the drop of a hat. beekeep Article 36250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Darin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: protecting bees Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:50:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36250 play shows of rosan bar, that should scare em for sure, I know it scares me. Article 36251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FGMO Date: 13 Jul 2003 17:13:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0307131613.382ba76e@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058141620 19282 127.0.0.1 (14 Jul 2003 00:13:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2003 00:13:40 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36251 When fogging with FGMO for mite control how much volume per treatment? Your opinions are appreciated. Thanks Ray Article 36252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:50:19 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <504d7af0.0307131613.382ba76e@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: FGMO Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.5 X-Trace: sv3-cakIzSIT8eKWfJM11nKS6E7fE2sEL9uP+kfOOEreATZHxBnTUgIoNLTrA9OZzQt3+rkoat1OeD+r3OA!fA6iBFA37K7mxJbUzIonKjYBTOp6mQVhcLEfpkt55PxA6218hpGDgd1bZyn1Fx3JNs3s X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36252 Fog for around 7 seconds or so once a week. -- (West Texas) Mark "Ray Morgan" wrote in message news:504d7af0.0307131613.382ba76e@posting.google.com... When fogging with FGMO for mite control how much volume per treatment? Your opinions are appreciated. Thanks Ray Article 36253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Expanding the trial version to +30 days! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:21:06 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3f1284bf$0$24694$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.36 X-Trace: 1058178240 dread14.news.tele.dk 24694 195.249.242.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36253 Dear friends of Bidata! Did you know that in the root home dir of bidata you will find a little software that by running it once will give you + 30 days to test the software in full. No limits of hives, full search and filter facilities, full queenbreeding open facilities. the file is named cleanreg.exe If you do not have it then just ask for it and I will put it up for download. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for multi lingual beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 36254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!1b6a651e!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Jim Sharp" From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Yard Agreements Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:28:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.47.219.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1058182111 4.47.219.191 (Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:28:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:28:31 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36254 Just a note to let everyone know that bee yard agreements are very important. My bees were on a horse farm for the past 4-years. The farm had a number of folks leasing or care-taking the property over the past several years. Well the farm finally sold to new owners and all the gates got new locks. I tried several times to contact the new owners and even gave my information to a neighbor that saw them more regularly. I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded everything up. I called the bee removal person and he doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. Talk about disheartening! A couple years to build up to this level, lots of honey orders, all the $$ in bees and mostly new equipment - probably just gone... Without a written agreement I've got no leg to stand on... Maybe I'll get some back from the bee removal guy, but after speaking with him - I doubt I'll ever hear from him again. Jim DFW, TX -- SHARP CURBING Concrete Landscape Borders http://sharpcurbing.com Article 36255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Date: 14 Jul 2003 17:11:01 GMT Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.27 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36255 On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:28:31 GMT, "Jim Sharp" wrote: >Just a note to let everyone know that bee yard agreements >are very important. My bees were on a horse farm for the >past 4-years. The farm had a number of folks leasing or >care-taking the property over the past several years. Well >the farm finally sold to new owners and all the gates got >new locks. I tried several times to contact the new owners >and even gave my information to a neighbor that saw them >more regularly. > >I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds >of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... >The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded >everything up. I called the bee removal person and he >doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many >calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. > >Talk about disheartening! A couple years to build up to this >level, lots of honey orders, all the $$ in bees and mostly new >equipment - probably just gone... > >Without a written agreement I've got no leg to stand on... >Maybe I'll get some back from the bee removal guy, but after >speaking with him - I doubt I'll ever hear from him again. > Agreement or no agreement, it is theft none the less. And just because the removal person didn't know they were someone elses property, or was told they were the owners doesn't make is less so. I would treat it as a theft, report it to the police, etc. Hopefully there are some identifying marks on your equiptment. And yes, you do have a leg to stand on. 4 years of precident, the fact that you were taking care of the hives, etc. Unfortunately an agreement with the old owners would likely not have helped in this case :( -Tim Article 36256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:45:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36256 Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify honey in jars? Heating in warm water doesn't seem to do it, at least not at the relatively modest temperatures I tried. Microwave perhaps? (after taking off the lids of course). Thanks, Peter Smith Article 36257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!205.188.226.98!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Jul 2003 22:12:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Message-ID: <20030714181254.07586.00000295@mb-m11.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36257 Hi all, What works for me is a sink of hot water and paitense. leave them in till it grows cold it may take several tries. Cheers, Article 36258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:05:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3f133509.650700301@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip192.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36258 On 14 Jul 2003 17:11:01 GMT, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:28:31 GMT, "Jim Sharp" > wrote: > >>Just a note to let everyone know that bee yard agreements >>are very important. My bees were on a horse farm for the >>past 4-years. The farm had a number of folks leasing or >>care-taking the property over the past several years. Well >>the farm finally sold to new owners and all the gates got >>new locks. I tried several times to contact the new owners >>and even gave my information to a neighbor that saw them >>more regularly. >> >>I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds >>of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... >>The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded >>everything up. I called the bee removal person and he >>doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many >>calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. >> >>Talk about disheartening! A couple years to build up to this >>level, lots of honey orders, all the $$ in bees and mostly new >>equipment - probably just gone... >> >>Without a written agreement I've got no leg to stand on... >>Maybe I'll get some back from the bee removal guy, but after >>speaking with him - I doubt I'll ever hear from him again. >> >Agreement or no agreement, it is theft none the less. And just >because the removal person didn't know they were someone elses >property, or was told they were the owners doesn't make is less so. >I would treat it as a theft, report it to the police, etc. Hopefully >there are some identifying marks on your equiptment. > >And yes, you do have a leg to stand on. 4 years of precident, the >fact that you were taking care of the hives, etc. Unfortunately an >agreement with the old owners would likely not have helped in this >case :( > >-Tim > If the apiary was registered with the state the bastard that stole them should be prosecuted. I don't know about where you live but here in Maryland any apiary not on your own land must be marked as to who owns it. I wouldn't give up too easily. You may even have a case against who sold the property, afterall he breached the verbal contract and any judge should agree that he owed you a phone call at least. All my agreements are done on a handshake. beekeep Article 36259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:59:46 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:00:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.90 X-Trace: sv3-a4uW5euyYMfg0SiFzXeVmigPXXc8LZE2oN0xupDtI1RCEJEIv+IhyJ0BeEs2uZkacFuTtDvZbwznqrs!qt8lrhC77l8afgrJOio8OQBJomhVet4sHDK0HfBhW5Tz0YtjpBvC56wUzjXJFCesUWpZGw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36259 Microwave will work and won't ruin the labels. Take it slow! Try putting the microwave on 30 percent and start with 1 minute. Then heat by 30 seconds periods until you get it reliquefied. You'll know when you're getting close when the edges start liquefy and the center is still crystallized. Drop back to 15 seconds each time at that point. Also don't think that if you find the time and power setting that works well for one jar you can just double it for two jars. Microwaves don't work that way. You also can't just add all the short bursts together and give the next bottle the total time. Microwaves don't work that way either. It's tricky and will take some time to get the time right, but if you have a lot to do, it's a real time save. Putting a thermometer in hot water and keeping it at around 120 F will work fine too. -- (West Texas) Mark "Peter Smith" wrote in message news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify honey in jars? Heating in warm water doesn't seem to do it, at least not at the relatively modest temperatures I tried. Microwave perhaps? (after taking off the lids of course). Thanks, Peter Smith Article 36260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.brightview.com!news.brightview.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:51:27 -0500 From: "s" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving solitary ground bees Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:51:40 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.189.5.200 X-Trace: sv3-29FuPtVg1Dv51IBc3XJANboV80ppM+LtH/tJFG+wW/D3mLFwLuzFHYDR9LvGf3OTmC6wfK3FUQm5Ll1!tRBoTLoSsPxJrqCTPhC74RqvRjZXjQ3/cQjCAkNsA6jjzkS7LyOoTxggnKuGuPrxk9DN/d44weM7!VI9h1w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@brightview.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@brightview.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36260 Has anyone experiance of moving ground bees. Will digging them up at night and moving the soil to a new site work or will the adults just return the next day. regards Martin Article 36261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bluehavocdesigns@ecosse.net (J-Foundation) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info on insects which eat bee's wings... Date: 15 Jul 2003 04:07:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.29.45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058267253 6444 127.0.0.1 (15 Jul 2003 11:07:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 2003 11:07:33 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36261 hi, i'm no beekeeper or even a gardener, but i'm looking for info, maybe someone here can help.. in my garden i have an area behind concrete blocking which many bees seem to have nested. the bees are generally peaceful and they go about their own business. however, recently there have been many dead or dying bees turning up around this area and none of them have any wings. someone suggested that this is caused by an insect which lays eggs in their nest and the insects eat the wings. i'd like to know how to deal with this if possible, it's unpleasant to be surrounded by bee carcasses or distressed bees if i'm out in the garden. can anyone help? thanks.. J Ayrshire, Scotland Article 36262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info on insects which eat bee's wings... Date: 15 Jul 2003 15:04:20 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.27 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36262 On 15 Jul 2003 04:07:32 -0700, bluehavocdesigns@ecosse.net (J-Foundation) wrote: >i'm no beekeeper or even a gardener, but i'm looking for info, maybe >someone here can help.. > > >in my garden i have an area behind concrete blocking which many bees >seem to have nested. the bees are generally peaceful and they go about >their own business. > >however, recently there have been many dead or dying bees turning up >around this area and none of them have any wings. > >someone suggested that this is caused by an insect which lays eggs in >their nest and the insects eat the wings. > >i'd like to know how to deal with this if possible, it's unpleasant to >be surrounded by bee carcasses or distressed bees if i'm out in the >garden. > >can anyone help? > >thanks.. I assume these are honey bees? If so... It is probably the deformed wing virus which causes the wings not to fully develop. The virus is carried by (vectored by) the varroa mite which is a small parasitic mite. See: http://www.biavl.dk/english/varroa-english/outline.htm (There are some decent pictures near the bottom of the page, click on them to enlarge them.) If it goes untreated the hive is sure to fail, if it's not already to late to treat. -Tim Article 36263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info on insects which eat bee's wings... Date: 15 Jul 2003 11:33:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0307151033.5151d44f@posting.google.com> References: <9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058294001 31028 127.0.0.1 (15 Jul 2003 18:33:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:33:21 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36263 If these are honeybees what you are seeing is young bees who were damaged by the varroa mite and emerged from the cells damaged. bluehavocdesigns@ecosse.net (J-Foundation) wrote in message news:<9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com>... > hi, > > i'm no beekeeper or even a gardener, but i'm looking for info, maybe > someone here can help.. > > > in my garden i have an area behind concrete blocking which many bees > seem to have nested. the bees are generally peaceful and they go about > their own business. > > however, recently there have been many dead or dying bees turning up > around this area and none of them have any wings. > > someone suggested that this is caused by an insect which lays eggs in > their nest and the insects eat the wings. > > i'd like to know how to deal with this if possible, it's unpleasant to > be surrounded by bee carcasses or distressed bees if i'm out in the > garden. > > can anyone help? > > thanks.. > > J > > Ayrshire, Scotland Article 36264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Date: 15 Jul 2003 11:40:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0307151040.d66a45d@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.30.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058294456 31289 127.0.0.1 (15 Jul 2003 18:40:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:40:56 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36264 "Peter Smith" wrote in message news:... > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify > honey in jars? > > Heating in warm water doesn't seem to do it, at least not at the relatively > modest temperatures I tried. Microwave perhaps? (after taking off the lids > of course). > > Thanks, > > Peter Smith This time of year leaving the jars in a car parked in the sun will do it. Article 36265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:17:21 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3f133509.650700301@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-613.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36265 Jim Sharp said: >I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds >of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... >The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded >everything up. I called the bee removal person and he >doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many >calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. The technical term for this scenario is "conversion". The more simple term is theft. The current owners of the property, having blocked your access to the hives, and having (most likely) sold the hives, are liable for the full retail value. Once you saw the locked gates, your attempts to contact them should have been much more rigorus. Regardless, you have a simple criminal matter to take up with the police. They can interview the property owners, and listen to them claim that they thought that the hives came with the property, and then also talk to the bee removal man, and perhaps assist him in overcoming his memory lapse. While criminal charges might not result, the police can at least verify the facts, and verify if any of your attempts to contact the new owners were successful or not. The burden of proof is much lower in civil cases than in criminal ones, so while police involvement might not yield any direct results, it could provide the basis for a civil claim. Article 36266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving solitary ground bees Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:29:32 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.176.238 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1058334931 10343 217.135.176.238 (16 Jul 2003 05:55:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2003 05:55:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36266 If you are talking about solitary bees, this would destroy them. If bumble bees then I think that if would be difficult. But why would you want to move them? -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "s" wrote in message news:X9OcnXhriYoyQY6iU-KYgg@brightview.com... > Has anyone experiance of moving ground bees. Will digging them up at night > and moving the soil to a new site work or will the adults just return the > next day. > regards > > Martin > > > > > > Article 36267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info on insects which eat bee's wings... Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:35:38 +0100 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.176.238 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1058334943 10343 217.135.176.238 (16 Jul 2003 05:55:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2003 05:55:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36267 I think that we would need to know which species of bee. Perhaps your best bet would be to contact a local beekeeper. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "J-Foundation" wrote in message news:9836c585.0307150307.561cc144@posting.google.com... > hi, > > i'm no beekeeper or even a gardener, but i'm looking for info, maybe > someone here can help.. > > > in my garden i have an area behind concrete blocking which many bees > seem to have nested. the bees are generally peaceful and they go about > their own business. > > however, recently there have been many dead or dying bees turning up > around this area and none of them have any wings. > > someone suggested that this is caused by an insect which lays eggs in > their nest and the insects eat the wings. > > i'd like to know how to deal with this if possible, it's unpleasant to > be surrounded by bee carcasses or distressed bees if i'm out in the > garden. > > can anyone help? > > thanks.. > > J > > Ayrshire, Scotland Article 36268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:19:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3f1541ee.785038457@news1.radix.net> References: <3f133509.650700301@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip171.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36268 On 15 Jul 2003 18:17:21 -0700, jim wrote: >Jim Sharp said: > >>I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds >>of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... >>The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded >>everything up. I called the bee removal person and he >>doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many >>calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. > >The technical term for this scenario is "conversion". > >The more simple term is theft. > >The current owners of the property, having blocked >your access to the hives, and having (most likely) >sold the hives, are liable for the full retail value. > >Once you saw the locked gates, your attempts to contact >them should have been much more rigorus. > >Regardless, you have a simple criminal matter to take >up with the police. They can interview the property >owners, and listen to them claim that they thought that >the hives came with the property, and then also talk >to the bee removal man, and perhaps assist him in >overcoming his memory lapse. > >While criminal charges might not result, the police can >at least verify the facts, and verify if any of your >attempts to contact the new owners were successful or not. > >The burden of proof is much lower in civil cases than >in criminal ones, so while police involvement might not >yield any direct results, it could provide the basis >for a civil claim. > Plus the "bee laws" can be rather strange. In many states if you find a bee tree on someone elses property and put your initials on the tree you own the bees. You can't cut the tree without permission from the land owner but they inturn can't either without yours! Again don't give up. beekeep Article 36269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: joanne_newton@hotmail.com (Jo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees living in my garden table Date: 16 Jul 2003 06:47:52 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.34.93.169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058363272 24019 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2003 13:47:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:47:52 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36269 I'm not sure if this is the best newsgroup for this or not but I'd appreciate any help you can give me. I live in London and have a wooden garden table which has holes about 1cm in diameter drilled in the bottom of it. This is the third summer running that bees have been using these holes. They fly in carrying little bits of leaf, some of the holes are completely covered over with leaf. I don't really know much about bees but they look more like honey bees than bumble bees. They don't cause any trouble and go about their business quite calmly whether people are sat at the table or not. I'm interested in what kind of bees they are and what they're doing. Thanks for your help Jo Article 36270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news.ticon.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees living in my garden table Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 31 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:30:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1058369431 209.204.149.209 (Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:30:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:30:31 PDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36270 In article , joanne_newton@hotmail.com (Jo) wrote: > I'm not sure if this is the best newsgroup for this or not but I'd > appreciate any help you can give me. > > I live in London and have a wooden garden table which has holes about > 1cm in diameter drilled in the bottom of it. This is the third summer > running that bees have been using these holes. They fly in carrying > little bits of leaf, some of the holes are completely covered over > with leaf. I don't really know much about bees but they look more like > honey bees than bumble bees. They don't cause any trouble and go about > their business quite calmly whether people are sat at the table or > not. I'm interested in what kind of bees they are and what they're > doing. Without a picture, my best guess for "what kind?" is "Probably one of the Bombus Sp.", which would be some flavor of bumblebee. Around here, the ones that play with leaves like you describe are often called "Packer bees" due to their behavior with the snippets of leaves that they pack into holes. As for what they're doing, that's pretty self-explanatory: They're nesting and breeding. Congratulations - you're making a wonderful contribution to the re-bee-ification of Merry Olde England, which is a good thing, since I understand you folk to be somewhat short in the "wild bees" department on that side of the pond. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 36271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!1b6a651e!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Jim Sharp" From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Lines: 60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:33:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.47.219.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1058398383 4.47.219.191 (Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:33:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:33:03 EDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36271 Thanks for all the support! I think the first time I spoke with the bee removal person he was on the wrong side of the bed. I called again and he was short with me, but nicer. He returned my calls later and was much nicer. He explained that his brother-in-law did the removal and had placed all the hives in one of their outyards together because they looked too good to be abandoned. I described the hives he said he would check and count them. After that he said we would make arrangements for me to come get them. Hopefully it will work out... Of course I'm not looking forward to finding a new bee yard or moving the hives this time of year, but I'll be grateful to get them back. Thanks Jim -- SHARP CURBING Concrete Landscape Borders http://sharpcurbing.com "Jim Sharp" wrote in message news:ztwQa.8594$qn1.7420@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... > Just a note to let everyone know that bee yard agreements > are very important. My bees were on a horse farm for the > past 4-years. The farm had a number of folks leasing or > care-taking the property over the past several years. Well > the farm finally sold to new owners and all the gates got > new locks. I tried several times to contact the new owners > and even gave my information to a neighbor that saw them > more regularly. > > I went out yesterday expecting to harvest 500-600 pounds > of honey from my 12 colonies and everything was gone... > The folks had called a bee removal person who loaded > everything up. I called the bee removal person and he > doesn't 'remember' the call... I'm sure he get so many > calls to pick-up 12 perfect hives loaded with honey. > > Talk about disheartening! A couple years to build up to this > level, lots of honey orders, all the $$ in bees and mostly new > equipment - probably just gone... > > Without a written agreement I've got no leg to stand on... > Maybe I'll get some back from the bee removal guy, but after > speaking with him - I doubt I'll ever hear from him again. > > Jim > DFW, TX > -- > SHARP CURBING > Concrete Landscape Borders > http://sharpcurbing.com > > Article 36272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Yard Agreements Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:01:29 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3f15f508.830872750@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip153.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36272 On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:33:03 GMT, "Jim Sharp" wrote: >Thanks for all the support! > >I think the first time I spoke with the bee removal person he >was on the wrong side of the bed. I called again and he was >short with me, but nicer. He returned my calls later and was >much nicer. He explained that his brother-in-law did the removal >and had placed all the hives in one of their outyards together >because they looked too good to be abandoned. I described >the hives he said he would check and count them. After that >he said we would make arrangements for me to come get >them. > >Hopefully it will work out... Of course I'm not looking forward >to finding a new bee yard or moving the hives this time of year, >but I'll be grateful to get them back. > >Thanks >Jim > Just run an add in your local paper "FREE BEES" Looking for vegitable farms to keep my bees. you will get several calls to choose from. beekeep Article 36273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!reader2.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: airhough@hotmail.com (Bee Inquisitive) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Date: 16 Jul 2003 18:34:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 54 Message-ID: <95a8c6fc.0307161734.309e8d41@posting.google.com> References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> <3AgLa.44247$9C6.2089404@wards.force9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.107.3.86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1058405696 29823 127.0.0.1 (17 Jul 2003 01:34:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2003 01:34:56 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36273 "John" wrote in message news:<3AgLa.44247$9C6.2089404@wards.force9.net>... > I am not sure what the others would say here, but its up for discussion. > > If you put a tube from the bee exit hole in your wall to the brood box in a > hive, they may move out in to the hive. > The tube must be large enough for a drone to get through and dark. You could > put the tube into the normal enterance of the hive and just push it in about > 12ins. > They really don't like Creosote, and will move away from it, if you can, put > the creosote on cotton wool and stragecly place it to get them on the move. > > Its just an idea > Ok, bringing this thread back to life a little (original poster here) The bees are about 10 feet up on the side of a condo complex. The "entrance" is a slot under the bottom of some panelling that stretches around the building, the bees tend to use about 4 feet of it (just over a meter) to enter and exit so capturing them thru their exit hole isn't too practical. Apparently the last time the guy cut the building open to vacuum them out and steal their honey he did replace the cavity with filling, however this cavity basically stretches all the way around the building in sections between the 2x4's or whatever size the structure is made of. The building is 35 years old, so there is really nobody to blame here. Basically they are going to have to do the same operation again, and when they are done I will get some creasote or another substance and swab the whole side of the building to prevent it from happening again. It kills me to get rid of the bees. I am fantastically interested in them and want to start my own hives. Living in a condo doesn't promote this, and it isn't really possible, but my parents live on 22 acres and are keen to give beekeeping a try (takes 3 hours to get there). Please look at my COOL bee picture at http://groups.msn.com/charliesphotodump Click on Pictures on the left, then click on the bee picture to see it full size. Could you people please recommend A) the best web resources on beekeeping. B) the best books you would recommend I order on beekeeping. (damn barns & noble had nothing in stock, the good for nothing *$(#'s) C) if you know of Seattle specific resources, fess up. Note: I live near Seattle Washington (USA) and the killer bee problem hasn't reached this area yet, so I don't really need info on that more than the special I saw on TV about it for now - I am more interested in beekeeping 101, and how everything is done. ~Bee Inquisitive Article 36274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees living in my garden table Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:52:09 +0100 Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.187.212 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1058461345 5352 217.135.187.212 (17 Jul 2003 17:02:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2003 17:02:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36274 These are solitary bees, not bumblebees, and belong to the genus Megachile - the leaf-cutter bees. Just to clarify: The solitary bees have only two castes - male and female. They are called solitary because they do not co-operate in a communal nest (bumblebee and honeybees are called social bees), although there may be many nests in close proximity if the conditions are suitable (rather like a town or city). The nest location will depend on the species: leaf-cutters prefer ready made tunnels such as old beetle borings in wood or dried hollow plant stems, other species may dig holes in sandy soil or make holes in very soft old mortar. The female collects pollen and lays an egg on it, then seals the cell (leaf cutters use a piece of leaf, other species may collect mud for this task); she then repeats the process so that there are a number of cells. The eggs hatch, the larvae feed on the pollen, pupate and wait until the following spring when they emerge as adults. Bumble bees have three castes, female (one queen who lays all the eggs), male (drones) and worker (imperfect females that cannot mate or lay eggs). They form an annual nest and produce new queens at the end of the year who, after mating, hibernate through the winter. All the old nest then dies out. A large nest might have 400 workers. Honeybees are at the top of the evolutionary tree. Like bumblebees, they have three castes - but have developed the ability to produce honey which enables then to overwinter as a colony, maintaining a minimum population of perhaps 10,000 - rising to perhaps 50,000 in the summer. Yours bees will be either Megachile willughbiella or M. centuncularis, with the latter being particularly partial to rose leaves - you may have noticed semi-circular pieces cut from your rose leaves and, if you are particularly lucky, you may see a bee returning to the nest carrying a piece. All solitary bees are harmless and very useful pollinators - look after them! Further reading: 'Bees of the World' by Christopher O'Toole and Anthony Raw. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:rceRa.2252$dk4.117912@typhoon.sonic.net... > In article , > joanne_newton@hotmail.com (Jo) wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this is the best newsgroup for this or not but I'd > > appreciate any help you can give me. > > > > I live in London and have a wooden garden table which has holes about > > 1cm in diameter drilled in the bottom of it. This is the third summer > > running that bees have been using these holes. They fly in carrying > > little bits of leaf, some of the holes are completely covered over > > with leaf. I don't really know much about bees but they look more like > > honey bees than bumble bees. They don't cause any trouble and go about > > their business quite calmly whether people are sat at the table or > > not. I'm interested in what kind of bees they are and what they're > > doing. > > Without a picture, my best guess for "what kind?" is "Probably one of > the Bombus Sp.", which would be some flavor of bumblebee. Around here, > the ones that play with leaves like you describe are often called > "Packer bees" due to their behavior with the snippets of leaves that > they pack into holes. As for what they're doing, that's pretty > self-explanatory: They're nesting and breeding. Congratulations - you're > making a wonderful contribution to the re-bee-ification of Merry Olde > England, which is a good thing, since I understand you folk to be > somewhat short in the "wild bees" department on that side of the pond. > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated > Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Fly trap info pages: Article 36275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr10.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mark mski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.252.99.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr10.news.prodigy.com 1058958387 ST000 64.252.99.161 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:06:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:06:27 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@IONXREIRR\Y\RMNOS@@BRXP@AHIQ@WLOOQDJ@_@FNHB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:06:27 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36275 To liquefy, I've always had a pot of water on the stove reach a temperature of around 145 F for 25 to 30 minutes. This way you put in as many jars as your pot can hold. mark "Peter Smith" wrote in message news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify > honey in jars? > > > Article 36276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net 1058961813 24.62.89.183 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:03:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:03:33 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:03:34 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36276 That's too hot. If you can't put your hand in the water, it's too hot. "mark mski" wrote in message news:T_tTa.11874$9V2.3407502401@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com... > To liquefy, I've always had a pot of water on the stove reach a temperature > of around 145 F for 25 to 30 minutes. This way you put in as many jars as > your pot can hold. > > > mark > "Peter Smith" wrote in message > news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... > > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify > > honey in jars? > > > > > > > > > Article 36277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Is it too late... Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:13:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3F1EB42D.2070808@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36277 Is it too late to start a hive from package bees and foundation this year, if I feed them continually with sugar water? I am in SW Missouri... Thanks, Taylor Article 36278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news.ticon.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late... Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:31:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3f1ef087.1419239059@news1.radix.net> References: <3F1EB42D.2070808@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip149.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36278 On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:13:33 -0500, Taylor Francis wrote: >Is it too late to start a hive from package bees and foundation this >year, if I feed them continually with sugar water? > >I am in SW Missouri... > >Thanks, >Taylor > I don't think anyone ships packages this late. beekeep Article 36279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1059007375 24.64.223.206 (Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:42:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:42:55 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36279 Take an old fridge and install a 40-watt bulb inside. This is the best way to re-liquefy honey in jars or buckets. Test it with a thermometer; the temperature should not go higher then 39º Celsius or 102º Fahrenheit. If 40-watt is not enough take a 60-watt bulb, is it to high use a bulb with fewer watts. ============= "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:pQuTa.113499$wk6.29736@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > That's too hot. If you can't put your hand in the water, it's too hot. > > "mark mski" wrote in message > news:T_tTa.11874$9V2.3407502401@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com... > > To liquefy, I've always had a pot of water on the stove reach a > temperature > > of around 145 F for 25 to 30 minutes. This way you put in as many jars as > > your pot can hold. > > > > > > mark > > "Peter Smith" wrote in message > > news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... > > > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify > > > honey in jars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 36280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe10.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Geatian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to find local beekeeper? Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:17:06 EDT Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:35:26 -0700 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36280 I live in Oregon, near Salem, and I'm trying to figure out how I can get a honey-bee hive set up on my personal property. I assume I just need to find a beekeeper in the area. Anybody know how I can get in touch with one? I haven't seen a single honey-bee this year, and I don't remember seeing one last year, (but this year I've been paying more attention) and only the occasional bumble-bee. I'm assuming they've all been wiped out by mites and such. I've got this little hobby-garden with tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, strawberry, and etc... and for some of them I've had to get a Q-tip and play honey-bee to get them to put out fruit! I have about 2 acres of land mostly covered by grass and oak trees, and found 2 or 3 places I can put the box without anybody being able to see it, (to keep the neighbors from freaking out.) There should be plenty of wild flowers & etc. to keep a hive going strong. I'm willing to maintain it and keep the mites out of there as long as it's not too difficult or expensive. And I'm not even interested in harvesting the honey, they can keep the stuff. I don't really want to do the mail-order thing, too expensive, too much work, and it's a bit too late in the year to start a new hive anyway. If possible I'd like to get a pre-established colony and set it on my property. Any advise? Ideas? Article 36281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cs.utexas.edu!galaxy.us.dell.com!crtntx1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!columbine.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail From: "Lim Chee Kong" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.bio.food-science Subject: Rooster - the solution, information and talent provider in the food industry Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:18:55 +0800 Organization: Rooster Lines: 29 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Lim Chee Kong" NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.255.65.209 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: panix sci.agriculture:77507 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36281 sci.agriculture.fruit:4561 sci.agriculture.poultry:49176 sci.agriculture.ratites:2099 sci.bio.food-science:15097 Dear All, · Are you looking for solutions to functional problems of your organisation? · Do you need the latest information and developments on the food industry? · Do you need talents to be part of your team? 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Yours faithfully, LIM Chee Kong Manager Article 36282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:12:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3f1fcce9.1475615308@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36282 Contact your state Department of Agriculture and ask for the apiary inspection branch. beekeep On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:35:26 -0700, Geatian wrote: > I live in Oregon, near Salem, and I'm trying to figure out how I can >get a honey-bee hive set up on my personal property. I assume I just >need to find a beekeeper in the area. Anybody know how I can get in >touch with one? > I haven't seen a single honey-bee this year, and I don't remember >seeing one last year, (but this year I've been paying more attention) >and only the occasional bumble-bee. I'm assuming they've all been wiped >out by mites and such. > I've got this little hobby-garden with tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, >strawberry, and etc... and for some of them I've had to get a Q-tip and >play honey-bee to get them to put out fruit! > I have about 2 acres of land mostly covered by grass and oak trees, >and found 2 or 3 places I can put the box without anybody being able to >see it, (to keep the neighbors from freaking out.) There should be >plenty of wild flowers & etc. to keep a hive going strong. I'm willing >to maintain it and keep the mites out of there as long as it's not too >difficult or expensive. And I'm not even interested in harvesting the >honey, they can keep the stuff. > I don't really want to do the mail-order thing, too expensive, too >much work, and it's a bit too late in the year to start a new hive >anyway. If possible I'd like to get a pre-established colony and set it >on my property. > Any advise? Ideas? > Article 36283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!feeder.buzzardnews.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Separating bees from honey Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:54:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36283 Hi all, I'm sure there are many ways of harvesting honey, I was curious how many of you have developed your own techniques for that tricky step of isolating the honey from its rightful owners! I like to bring the frames into my kitchen and make the harvest a family affair with kids doing the spinning and bottling etc. As you can imagine, there is a very low tolerance to stray bees in the house, so I have developed a method involving an assistant holding a leaf blower. It goes something like this ..... Taking an empty super down to the hives and cover it with a wet towel. I give each frame a good shake in front of the hive then hold it up for my helper to blow all the bees off. I cover the bee-free frames with the towel. This works very well, but is time-consuming and a bit stressful for the bees. I have in past years used Porter bee escapes to reduce the numbers of bees in the supers, but was not impressed. Harvesting very late in the season when there are reduced numbers in the hives allows me to simply brush off the bees. Has anyone come up with a more efficient way? Or do you all just harvest in a bee room full of bees? Thanks, Peter Article 36284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36284 I'm going to use a fume board with organic repellant. Sounds very effective with no work on my part and minimal stress to the bees! Try this link and look for a product call "Bee-Quick". http://www.bee-commerce.com/ Good Luck! James Redding, CA Article 36285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bruce@Lovingscents.com (Bruce L) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: 24 Jul 2003 13:36:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.13.180.121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059078995 8951 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2003 20:36:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 20:36:35 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36285 Check with your local County Agriculture center usually listed under state government in the yellow pages. Geatian wrote in message news:... > I live in Oregon, near Salem, and I'm trying to figure out how I can > get a honey-bee hive set up on my personal property. I assume I just > need to find a beekeeper in the area. Anybody know how I can get in > touch with one? > I haven't seen a single honey-bee this year, and I don't remember > seeing one last year, (but this year I've been paying more attention) > and only the occasional bumble-bee. I'm assuming they've all been wiped > out by mites and such. > I've got this little hobby-garden with tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, > strawberry, and etc... and for some of them I've had to get a Q-tip and > play honey-bee to get them to put out fruit! > I have about 2 acres of land mostly covered by grass and oak trees, > and found 2 or 3 places I can put the box without anybody being able to > see it, (to keep the neighbors from freaking out.) There should be > plenty of wild flowers & etc. to keep a hive going strong. I'm willing > to maintain it and keep the mites out of there as long as it's not too > difficult or expensive. And I'm not even interested in harvesting the > honey, they can keep the stuff. > I don't really want to do the mail-order thing, too expensive, too > much work, and it's a bit too late in the year to start a new hive > anyway. If possible I'd like to get a pre-established colony and set it > on my property. > Any advise? Ideas? Article 36286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: w.beasley@csuohio.edu (Wm. Beasley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding observation hives in winter Date: 24 Jul 2003 13:54:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.232.30.191 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059080060 12802 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2003 20:54:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 20:54:21 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36286 I'm helping a local nature center with a new observation hive (in NE Ohio). It holds three deep frames in a vertical orientation. Our summers end by Sept. here, and warm temperatures don't return until May. What kind of feeding procedures are likely to be appropriate for such a small colony under these conditions? Article 36287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: 24 Jul 2003 14:03:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0307241303.62302050@posting.google.com> References: <3f1fcce9.1475615308@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.3.87.9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059080630 14817 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 21:03:50 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36287 > > Any advise? Ideas? I've got a few. There's probably a local beekeeping society. They may be in the phone book, or listed with the city. Secondly, find a beekeeping supply store (I know there's one in Portland) and see if they ship to anyone in the Salem area. Lastly, if you're driving up towards Seattle, I'm near Olympia and would gladly show you my 2 hives. Email is ken@nospamolyfurnitureworks.com. Just take out the "nospam". Article 36288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!140.99.99.194.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:15:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.246.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1059081313 24.175.246.166 (Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:15:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:15:13 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36288 Ruhl Bee Supply - Portland 503-256-4231 I met my wife in Oregon and had a chance to visit this place. Very nice people. Robert www.texasdrone.com "Geatian" wrote in message news:MPG.198901c689dd0f79989688@news.usenetserver.com... > I live in Oregon, near Salem, and I'm trying to figure out how I can > get a honey-bee hive set up on my personal property. I assume I just > need to find a beekeeper in the area. Anybody know how I can get in > touch with one? > I haven't seen a single honey-bee this year, and I don't remember > seeing one last year, (but this year I've been paying more attention) > and only the occasional bumble-bee. I'm assuming they've all been wiped > out by mites and such. > I've got this little hobby-garden with tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, > strawberry, and etc... and for some of them I've had to get a Q-tip and > play honey-bee to get them to put out fruit! > I have about 2 acres of land mostly covered by grass and oak trees, > and found 2 or 3 places I can put the box without anybody being able to > see it, (to keep the neighbors from freaking out.) There should be > plenty of wild flowers & etc. to keep a hive going strong. I'm willing > to maintain it and keep the mites out of there as long as it's not too > difficult or expensive. And I'm not even interested in harvesting the > honey, they can keep the stuff. > I don't really want to do the mail-order thing, too expensive, too > much work, and it's a bit too late in the year to start a new hive > anyway. If possible I'd like to get a pre-established colony and set it > on my property. > Any advise? Ideas? > Article 36289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:27:51 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.197.165 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1059082405 24625 217.135.197.165 (24 Jul 2003 21:33:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 21:33:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36289 "Wm. Beasley" wrote in message news:ab8288a0.0307240525.65b57247@posting.google.com... > I'm helping a local nature center with a new observation hive (in NE > Ohio). It holds three deep frames in a vertical orientation. Our > summers end by Sept. here, and warm temperatures don't return until > May. What kind of feeding procedures are likely to be appropriate for > such a small colony under these conditions? I would have thought that keeping them warm would be more of a problem - the vertical orientation is not helpful. Do they need to stay in the observation hive during the winter, or could you put them in a nuc box? Even then, a 3 frame nuc is not easy to winter - better to add some frames and perhaps bees and then set the observation hive up again in the spring. Whatever you do, observation hives are hard work and take up much time. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 36290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:33:01 +0100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.197.165 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1059082406 24625 217.135.197.165 (24 Jul 2003 21:33:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 2003 21:33:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36290 Try a search engine! http://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?cat=web&cat=web&cmd=process_search&language=english_uk&query=%2Boregon+%2B+bees+%2Bsalem Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 36291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Date: 24 Jul 2003 15:06:50 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-726.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 4.20 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36291 In article , "James says... > >I'm going to use a fume board with organic repellant. Sounds very effective >with no work on my part and minimal stress to the bees! Try this link and >look for a product call "Bee-Quick". > >http://www.bee-commerce.com/ More complete information is at http://www.bee-quick.com Article 36292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:45:45 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:47:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.73 X-Trace: sv3-5HlZmpHa2PW6dnpYoL8p1VRVn0IkFktL9auHR/X5XVdodvhl005vrqs56Z42vddj1VV/EcZGSMfrf2X!XgQi1CqHFlbjn0MJaQcT2SKyKCvU0R16Cm+Kw9lV406GCKYmfuqRirLReNmLfa72g+I+0Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36292 It's easy, just call the police, fire, or animal control and ask who they have on file for bee calls. -- (West Texas) Mark Article 36293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: randy.l.flaming@tek.com (Randy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to find local beekeeper? Date: 24 Jul 2003 18:36:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: <106e2ca1.0307240826.146e3d65@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.65.40.9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059096999 31661 127.0.0.1 (25 Jul 2003 01:36:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 2003 01:36:39 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36293 I live in Monmouth. We should talk because I may be able to help you or give you some advise. Call or e-mail me. My phone number is in the Salem directory. Randy Flaming Geatian wrote in message news:... > I live in Oregon, near Salem, and I'm trying to figure out how I can > get a honey-bee hive set up on my personal property. I assume I just > need to find a beekeeper in the area. Anybody know how I can get in > touch with one? > I haven't seen a single honey-bee this year, and I don't remember > seeing one last year, (but this year I've been paying more attention) > and only the occasional bumble-bee. I'm assuming they've all been wiped > out by mites and such. > I've got this little hobby-garden with tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, > strawberry, and etc... and for some of them I've had to get a Q-tip and > play honey-bee to get them to put out fruit! > I have about 2 acres of land mostly covered by grass and oak trees, > and found 2 or 3 places I can put the box without anybody being able to > see it, (to keep the neighbors from freaking out.) There should be > plenty of wild flowers & etc. to keep a hive going strong. I'm willing > to maintain it and keep the mites out of there as long as it's not too > difficult or expensive. And I'm not even interested in harvesting the > honey, they can keep the stuff. > I don't really want to do the mail-order thing, too expensive, too > much work, and it's a bit too late in the year to start a new hive > anyway. If possible I'd like to get a pre-established colony and set it > on my property. > Any advise? Ideas? Article 36294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Apimo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Url to Updates! Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:36:55 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3f2116a1$0$76092$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.31 X-Trace: 1059133089 dread11.news.tele.dk 76092 195.249.242.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36294 Dear fellow beekeepers! Due to problems downloading from my web I have made the following arrangements : I will provide you a CD with a 20 hive free software if you pay me the cost 10 Euro or equal in your currency! http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=English http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=German http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=Portuguese http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=Spanish http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=Italian http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=179852&language=French There is a slight difference between the frie download and the CD purcased version. The free download gives full access until 30 days + 30 days with Initial and FINAL NAGS when it close down to 10 hives and some of the facilities I have paid for will not be available after expiring. I have added a little utility that will clean the registry so that the +30 dayes are granted. If people order the CD I grant 20 hives and no Final Nags after 30 +30 days. Though some of the facilities I have paid for will not be available after expiring and Initial Nag will remain. The CD does not include free updates but acces to an update will be at : http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/Beekeepinghivenoteonlyexe.zip 1.7 mb. I have put it up here because some download problems was reported. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson visit http://apimo.dk for beekeeping software and other beekeeping stuff. Article 36295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: w.beasley@csuohio.edu (Wm. Beasley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Date: 25 Jul 2003 07:39:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.148.11.14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059143989 10212 127.0.0.1 (25 Jul 2003 14:39:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 2003 14:39:49 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36295 The observation hive is located indoors, where the ambient temperature is kept around 68 degrees F; there is an exit tube for the foragers to reach the outdoors. The nature center would very much like the bees to remain visible through the winter; I've seen a similar arrangement in Indiana which appeared to be successful, even with snow on the ground in February. I do understand that observation hives are demanding, and I know I have a lot to learn about them. Any suggestions on good sources? I've found one book and done the basic Google on "observation hives" so far. (If worse comes to worse, I have convinced them to maintain a regular hive as a backup -- so if the observation colony fails to winter, there will be a healthy source in the Spring). "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:... > "Wm. Beasley" wrote in message > news:ab8288a0.0307240525.65b57247@posting.google.com... > > I'm helping a local nature center with a new observation hive (in NE > > Ohio). It holds three deep frames in a vertical orientation. Our > > summers end by Sept. here, and warm temperatures don't return until > > May. What kind of feeding procedures are likely to be appropriate for > > such a small colony under these conditions? > > I would have thought that keeping them warm would be more of a problem - the > vertical orientation is not helpful. > Do they need to stay in the observation hive during the winter, or could you > put them in a nuc box? Even then, a 3 frame nuc is not easy to winter - > better to add some frames and perhaps bees and then set the observation hive > up again in the spring. > > Whatever you do, observation hives are hard work and take up much time. > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 36296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr10.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mark mski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.252.99.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr10.news.prodigy.com 1059149767 ST000 64.252.99.161 (Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:16:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:16:07 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@IONXREIRR\Y\RMNOS@@BRXP@AHIQ@WLOOQDJ@_@FNHB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:16:07 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36296 My source is comes from "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Alphonse Avitable. I trust Avitable with any topic concerning bees or honey. I've been using his method for years and neither my costumers nor myself have not tasted any ill effects from this. mark "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:pQuTa.113499$wk6.29736@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > That's too hot. If you can't put your hand in the water, it's too hot. > > "mark mski" wrote in message > news:T_tTa.11874$9V2.3407502401@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com... > > To liquefy, I've always had a pot of water on the stove reach a > temperature > > of around 145 F for 25 to 30 minutes. This way you put in as many jars as > > your pot can hold. > > > > > > mark > > "Peter Smith" wrote in message > > news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... > > > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to re-liquify > > > honey in jars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 36297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:17:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1059164275 24.64.223.206 (Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:17:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:17:55 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36297 How can you taste any ill effects from overheated honey???? Its time for you to study some other information, the Internet is one of the options. How old is your Beekeeper's Handbook by Alphonse Avitable? I have a Beekeeper's Handbook from 1568 and it say's the colony is raising bees from worms instead from eggs and there is a king not a queen. It also says the foulbrood comes from using to much smoke, smoke kills the young bees in there cells and they're rotten. Would you believe this too? =========================== "mark mski" wrote in message news:bJcUa.12491$kt.3560106022@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com... > My source is comes from "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Alphonse Avitable. I > trust Avitable with any topic concerning bees or honey. > > I've been using his method for years and neither my costumers nor myself > have not tasted any ill effects from this. > > mark > > "Steve Huston" wrote in message > news:pQuTa.113499$wk6.29736@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > That's too hot. If you can't put your hand in the water, it's too hot. > > > > "mark mski" wrote in message > > news:T_tTa.11874$9V2.3407502401@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com... > > > To liquefy, I've always had a pot of water on the stove reach a > > temperature > > > of around 145 F for 25 to 30 minutes. This way you put in as many jars > as > > > your pot can hold. > > > > > > > > > mark > > > "Peter Smith" wrote in message > > > news:vh696lln2q493b@corp.supernews.com... > > > > Does anyone in the group have a suggestion of the best way to > re-liquify > > > > honey in jars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 36298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:51:17 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3f21998e$0$228@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.34.25.23 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1059166606 228 196.34.25.23 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36298 > there is a very low tolerance to stray bees in the house, so I have > developed a method involving an assistant holding a leaf blower. It goes > something like this ..... Taking an empty super down to the hives and cover > it with a wet towel. I give each frame a good shake in front of the hive > then hold it up for my helper to blow all the bees off. I cover the bee-free > frames with the towel. This works very well, but is time-consuming and a bit > stressful for the bees. A quick note regarding your leaf blower idea.....if anyone reads and is thinking on using it on African bees.....I suggest you don't. I would imagine taking a leaf blower near them would really set them off! My 2c. D. Article 36299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr10.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "mark mski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Melting crystalized Honey in jars Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.252.99.161 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr10.news.prodigy.com 1059166760 ST000 64.252.99.161 (Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:59:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:59:20 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: T[OIBYRD\JWWC[\YDJJJ^_XA\JT@QB\MV@GZ_GYO^BTBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:59:20 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36299 Let's not get personal my friend. Please put things in perspective. We are talking about de-crystallizing honey, we're not talking about salvation. > How old is your Beekeeper's Handbook by Alphonse Avitable? I thought most people knew of Avitalbe. He is a retired bee researcher as well as Emeritus Professor of Biology at UCONN. The book is recommended by Roger Morse (maybe the ultimate authority of beekeeping). Cornell University last published the book in 1998. >Beekeeper's Handbook from 1568 and it say's the colony is raising bees from >worms instead from eggs and there is a king not a queen. It also says the >foulbrood comes from using to much smoke, smoke kills the young bees in >there cells and they're rotten. >Would you believe this too? Your "strawman argument" is not valid. Nor is your personal attack. No need to bring up quotes from 400 year old text books. It simply doesn't apply. > How can you taste any ill effects from overheated honey???? I heard from many people, that overheated honey takes away from the flavor (Nicholas W. Calderone Dyce Laboratory for Honey Bee Studies Cornell University and Sue Hubbell, "Book of Bees" 1988). I assumed the original post feared over-heating honey via pasteurization was the original concern. BTW, I never stated I was an expert, I just quote from them. Facts are great when used appropriately. Thanks for your understanding and open-mindedness. mark Article 36300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!prodigy.com!rip!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:21:49 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:32:33 -0400 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36300 I've used a product called "Bee Gone" with a fume board for several years. It works. If you put the repellant on the fume board generously, on a warm day, the bees will be gone from the top two supers in just a couple of minutes. There may be a few left, which you can easily brush off, or if you use a blower you should be able to eliminate every solitary bee. Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:54:47 -0400, "Peter Smith" wrote: >Hi all, >I'm sure there are many ways of harvesting honey, I was curious how many of >you have developed your own techniques for that tricky step of isolating the >honey from its rightful owners! > >I like to bring the frames into my kitchen and make the harvest a family >affair with kids doing the spinning and bottling etc. As you can imagine, >there is a very low tolerance to stray bees in the house, so I have >developed a method involving an assistant holding a leaf blower. It goes >something like this ..... Taking an empty super down to the hives and cover >it with a wet towel. I give each frame a good shake in front of the hive >then hold it up for my helper to blow all the bees off. I cover the bee-free >frames with the towel. This works very well, but is time-consuming and a bit >stressful for the bees. > >I have in past years used Porter bee escapes to reduce the numbers of bees >in the supers, but was not impressed. Harvesting very late in the season >when there are reduced numbers in the hives allows me to simply brush off >the bees. > >Has anyone come up with a more efficient way? Or do you all just harvest in >a bee room full of bees? > >Thanks, > >Peter > > Article 36301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Date: 25 Jul 2003 18:42:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0307251742.1f588e49@posting.google.com> References: <3f21998e$0$228@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.3.84.169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059183780 12875 127.0.0.1 (26 Jul 2003 01:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2003 01:43:00 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36301 I only have 2 hives, so I can tolerate less efficient methods of removing the girls. Some years I lift the frames & use a bee brush to brush the girls into the grass (by the time they extract themselves they're more interested in going home than going for me). I've got an inside cover made that with a little diamond underneath (covered by wire mesh). The bees can walk out OK but when they try to return they tend to walk to the right or left and so miss the hole to come back up into the hive. It's worked ALOT better for me than the usual escapes. Underneath it looks sort of like: I I I I I I I IOI I I I I I I I Article 36302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Message-ID: <3a05ivci6in1i4tejhefeq6n9f7qpv41b7@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:38:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1059226721 4.62.104.27 (Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:38:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:38:41 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36302 The best way to feed an observation hive in winter is by putting in a full frame of honey from another hive or feeding a solid fondant. It is best to avoid liquid feed, as it tends to result in an increase in egg-laying that can create more problems in a small observation hive. Feeding a fondant made from sugar and corn syrup would be my choice. A microwave peanut brittle recipe can be adapted to make a pound or two of fondant from nothing more than sugar and corn syrup (no water). If the hive has provision for an inverted jar feeder, the fondant can be packed into a quart jar, and the jar placed as usual on the hive but without the jar lid, so the bees can go into the jar to feed. A few fondant resources: http://www.ingenbees.com/fondant.shtml http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/feedingcandy.html Three frame hive you describe, in a single width, will put a lot of stress on the colony over the winter, and the hive will tend to overcrowd quickly in the spring. Bees in six or more full-depth frames are easier to manage and tend to do better, especially if the hive provides a double range of comb. John w.beasley@csuohio.edu (Wm. Beasley) wrote: >I'm helping a local nature center with a new observation hive (in NE >Ohio). It holds three deep frames in a vertical orientation. Our >summers end by Sept. here, and warm temperatures don't return until >May. What kind of feeding procedures are likely to be appropriate for >such a small colony under these conditions? John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 36303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: scot@linuxfromscratch.org References: Lines: 27 Organization: Linux From Scratch User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:32:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.192.24.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1059273177 168.192.24.85 (Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:32:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:32:57 PDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36303 Wm. Beasley wrote: > The observation hive is located indoors, where the ambient temperature > is kept around 68 degrees F; there is an exit tube for the foragers to > reach the outdoors. The nature center would very much like the bees to > remain visible through the winter; I've seen a similar arrangement in > Indiana which appeared to be successful, even with snow on the ground > in February. I do understand that observation hives are demanding, and > I know I have a lot to learn about them. Any suggestions on good > sources? I've found one book and done the basic Google on "observation > hives" so far. (If worse comes to worse, I have convinced them to > maintain a regular hive as a backup -- so if the observation colony > fails to winter, there will be a healthy source in the Spring). I think if you keep your hive indoors thusly, you are going to have even greater problems than trying to overwinter the hive out of doors. The bees need to reduce their metabolism and try to keep warm. This is their winter activity. If they are already warm, then I think you will find your bees are far too overactive, and will consume so much honey and aslo look like trapped rats when its too cold to go out and vacate themselves (might get real messy and smelly). -- Scot Mc Pherson http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ Article 36304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small hive beetle Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:05:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.246.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1059278706 24.175.246.166 (Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:05:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:05:06 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36304 Hello I'm located in Vidor Texas about 45 miles west of Lakes charles LA and90 miles east of Houston. I just found four small hive beetles and frames of larvae in my honey house. I'm hoping that someone here has had some experience with dealing with these bugs and can give me some useful advice. We've never given them a thought down here and were hoping they would never get this far. I understand that checkmite is effective, but does it have to be under something or does hanging it between frames work and is there anything else I can do? Any advice is more than welcome. Robert Williamson texasdrone@texasdrone.com Article 36305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jul 2003 14:25:12 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small hive beetle Message-ID: <20030727102512.09680.00000540@mb-m11.aol.com> Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36305 HI, According to our state Apiarest (Wisconsin) you need to be careful in your identification! there are a bunch of beetles that look a little like SHB's .So I would collect a number of them and send off to your state inspectors. Or have them stop by and see what they say. Hopefully they are as helpful as ours are. Cheers, Dave in Madison, WI And obviously read up on what you need to do If you do have them. Article 36306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!nsnmrro1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!nsnmpen1-lo.nuria.telefonica-data.net!news.ya.com!yacom!not-for-mail From: "Jose Matas \(Mallorca - Spain\)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small hive beetle Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:42:32 +0200 Organization: ya.com internet factory Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20030727102512.09680.00000540@mb-m11.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-151-60-200.newtp.ya.com X-Trace: news.ya.com 1059324154 16794 62.151.60.200 (27 Jul 2003 16:42:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ya.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:42:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36306 Here in Spain, all the books about beekeeping have a beetle as Aethina tumida, and after sending it to a german specialist the correct identification (classification) is Protaetia [Coleóptera, Scarabaeidae]. Scarab beetle Escarabajo. Escarbató, Brumidorea . and the not the real bad one: non Aethina tumida (Murray) [Coleóptera, Nitidulidae]. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain "Lazurus106" escribió en el mensaje news:20030727102512.09680.00000540@mb-m11.aol.com... > HI, > According to our state Apiarest (Wisconsin) you need to be careful in your > identification! there are a bunch of beetles that look a little like SHB's .So > I would collect a number of them and send off to your state inspectors. Or > have them stop by and see what they say. > Hopefully they are as helpful as ours are. > Cheers, > Dave in Madison, WI > And obviously read up on what you need to do If you do have them. Article 36307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Can't find an old article, help please? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: scot@linuxfromscratch.org Lines: 12 Organization: Linux From Scratch User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:38:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.192.25.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1059327502 168.192.25.142 (Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:38:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:38:22 PDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36307 There was an article on the net that I found a couple of years ago about top bar hives. Specifically this article addressed optimum hive volumes for different locales. I.e. if it gets really hot or really cold, a smaller hive might be in order. Does anyone know where this article can be found? I have been searching quite a bit for it and can't seem to find it. -- Scot Mc Pherson http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ Article 36308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20030727102512.09680.00000540@mb-m11.aol.com> Subject: Re: Small hive beetle Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:19:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.246.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1059329957 24.175.246.166 (Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:19:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:19:17 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36308 Last night I compared the beetles and larvae to some pictures http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/enpp/ento/aethinanew.htm an as far as I can tell they are exact. While I hope that is not the case I'm pretty sure I am right. There are no other insects besides Wax moths here that burrow through comb like that. Currently I'm waiting for a couple of reply's to tell me where I can send the samples to for positive ID. Robert "Lazurus106" wrote in message news:20030727102512.09680.00000540@mb-m11.aol.com... > HI, > According to our state Apiarest (Wisconsin) you need to be careful in your > identification! there are a bunch of beetles that look a little like SHB's .So > I would collect a number of them and send off to your state inspectors. Or > have them stop by and see what they say. > Hopefully they are as helpful as ours are. > Cheers, > Dave in Madison, WI > And obviously read up on what you need to do If you do have them. Article 36309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!feed1.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it too late... Date: 28 Jul 2003 15:08:27 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3F1EB42D.2070808@yahoo.com> <3f1ef087.1419239059@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.17.149.74 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36309 On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:31:30 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:13:33 -0500, Taylor Francis >wrote: > >>Is it too late to start a hive from package bees and foundation this >>year, if I feed them continually with sugar water? >> >>I am in SW Missouri... >> >>Thanks, >>Taylor >> >I don't think anyone ships packages this late. > I also doubt you will find any packages, but check and see if anyone in your area sells nucs, or you may find a beekeeper in your area willing to sell a split. -Tim Article 36310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Nevermind, I found it. Thx though if you looked. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: scot@linuxfromscratch.org References: Lines: 8 Organization: Linux From Scratch User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:38:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.192.25.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1059428302 168.192.25.209 (Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:38:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:38:22 PDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36310 it was on ibiblio where I looked, but didn't recognize the name. top_bar_hive_lore.txt which threw me off. -- Scot Mc Pherson http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ Article 36311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!In.nntp.be!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Nemo Marii" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nevermind, I found it. Thx though if you looked. Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:13:04 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.4a.9d.ed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 29 Jul 2003 06:13:28 GMT User-Agent: Pan/0.13.4 (She had eyes like strange sins.) Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36311 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:38:22 +0000, Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > SNIP > > it was on ibiblio where I looked, but didn't recognize the name. > > top_bar_hive_lore.txt which threw me off. Scot, Thanks for the reference. I tried to find my preferred site for tbh, but its bookmarked on my other system which is down at at the moment. I'll be making splits this year and plan to start about a dozen tbh here in Guadalupe Co., Texas. Your text file had all my previous info and more! And, it's good to see another *nix user here. I don't feel nearly as lonely. Nemomarii Article 36312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news.linkpendium.com!zen.net.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Walters" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Extracting Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:44:49 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.159.188 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1059461307 3692 62.136.159.188 (29 Jul 2003 06:48:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 06:48:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36312 Being based in the UK I will shortly have around 2 supers of honey to extract, but as I haven't done it for a long time I'd like some advice please, on the following points; 1 Do you slice of the cappings into an uncappings tray, or what other method is feasable? 2 How is the best way to 'Seed' honey to produce a 'set' honey quickly? 3 Do you return the cappings for the bees to clean up and therefore just have wax left? 4 Do you return the wet supers to the hive, insert a crownboard first, for the bees to clean up and how long before they are dry? Thanks for any advice. Article 36313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Re: Nevermind, I found it. Thx though if you looked. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: scot@linuxfromscratch.org References: Lines: 27 Organization: Linux From Scratch User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <0yvVa.124135$Io.10603190@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:30:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.200.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1059489020 63.184.200.235 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:30:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:30:20 PDT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36313 Nemo Marii wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:38:22 +0000, Scot Mc Pherson wrote: > >> SNIP >> >> it was on ibiblio where I looked, but didn't recognize the name. >> >> top_bar_hive_lore.txt which threw me off. > > Scot, > > Thanks for the reference. I tried to find my preferred site for tbh, but > its bookmarked on my other system which is down at at the moment. I'll be > making splits this year and plan to start about a dozen tbh here in > Guadalupe Co., Texas. Your text file had all my previous info and more! > And, it's good to see another *nix user here. I don't feel nearly as > lonely. > > Nemomarii Eheh cool... Which *nix? -- Scot Mc Pherson http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~scot/ Article 36314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: storing creamed honey Date: 29 Jul 2003 08:40:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059493201 10844 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2003 15:40:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 15:40:01 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36314 I have started making creamed honey. It works up well stored in a hand dug well about 30 ft below ground but when I sell it during the summer I am concerned about it dissolving. Is it OK or good idea to have customers refrigerate it when they take it home? Article 36315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Separating bees from honey Date: 29 Jul 2003 08:46:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059493582 11349 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2003 15:46:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 15:46:22 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36315 If you have the time, a bee escape for a couple ofdays gets the majority out of the way, Then you can use a large plastic storage container and take the frames out and brush any extra bees off in front of the hive and stick in the storage container with a lid on it. When you get allthe frames done, remove the super and stick the frames quickly backin and cover with a garbage bag. Not too hard and usually only have 1-2 bees left Charles wrote in message news:... > I've used a product called "Bee Gone" with a fume board for several > years. It works. If you put the repellant on the fume board > generously, on a warm day, the bees will be gone from the top two > supers in just a couple of minutes. There may be a few left, which > you can easily brush off, or if you use a blower you should be able to > eliminate every solitary bee. > Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC > > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:54:47 -0400, "Peter Smith" > wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I'm sure there are many ways of harvesting honey, I was curious how many of > >you have developed your own techniques for that tricky step of isolating the > >honey from its rightful owners! > > > >I like to bring the frames into my kitchen and make the harvest a family > >affair with kids doing the spinning and bottling etc. As you can imagine, > >there is a very low tolerance to stray bees in the house, so I have > >developed a method involving an assistant holding a leaf blower. It goes > >something like this ..... Taking an empty super down to the hives and cover > >it with a wet towel. I give each frame a good shake in front of the hive > >then hold it up for my helper to blow all the bees off. I cover the bee-free > >frames with the towel. This works very well, but is time-consuming and a bit > >stressful for the bees. > > > >I have in past years used Porter bee escapes to reduce the numbers of bees > >in the supers, but was not impressed. Harvesting very late in the season > >when there are reduced numbers in the hives allows me to simply brush off > >the bees. > > > >Has anyone come up with a more efficient way? Or do you all just harvest in > >a bee room full of bees? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peter > > > > Article 36316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re Extracting Date: 29 Jul 2003 16:09:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7fe11997.0307291509.587bd3a3@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.3.81.35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059520197 7283 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2003 23:09:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 2003 23:09:57 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36316 > 1 Do you slice of the cappings into an uncappings tray, or what other > method is feasable? I use a scratcher (or a hot knife) & dump the cappings into a bucket while I'm working. I then drain them overnight (from a paint strainer bag, a fine nylon mesh bag) to get any honey I might have picked up with the caps. > 2 How is the best way to 'Seed' honey to produce a 'set' honey quickly? > 3 Do you return the cappings for the bees to clean up and therefore just > have wax left? Yes, I just dump the cappings on large sheet of cardboard about 20 feet from the hives and they clean it up fine. Since it can be hard for the girls to turn the sticky mess over, I sometimes stir it up after a day or so to expose more honey. > 4 Do you return the wet supers to the hive, insert a crownboard first, for > the bees to clean up and how long before they are dry? I don't put my wet supers on the hive because then I have to remove the bees from them later. Instead I stack them up so they're accessible by the bees. They're dry in 4 or 5 days. Article 36317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news.inreach.com!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Richard Hyde User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What the heck are they doing? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:42:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.173.174 X-Trace: news.inreach.com 1059529415 209.239.173.174 (Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:43:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:43:35 PDT Organization: InReach Internet Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36317 I've kept a hive or two for most of my life, but I don't recall ever seeing this before. The front of the hive has been covered, for the last few days, with hundreds, if not thousands, of bees doing their back-and-forth cleaning maneuver It's not particularly hot out, but it is humid. I'm using two hive bodies for a brood chamber (haven't been down there recently). I have two full shallow supers on top of the brood chamber, and a mostly empty, but built out, super on top of those. They cover the front so I almost can't see the wood, but not the back or sides of the hive. They cover the landing board and the plywood front of the hive stand. I may have been late putting on the third super, so there may be a fair bit of burr comb in the brood chamber, The hive swarmed in the spring, but seems to be doing nicely now. Any thoughts? Article 36318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Robert Williamson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: What the heck are they doing? Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:02:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.175.246.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1059544929 24.175.246.166 (Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:02:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:02:09 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36318 Its called washboarding and as far as I can tell no one really has a good answer as to why they do it. One of those last mysteries to be solved Robert "Richard Hyde" wrote in message news:bpFVa.1094$Pb7.1072@news.inreach.com... > I've kept a hive or two for most of my life, but I don't recall ever > seeing this before. > > The front of the hive has been covered, for the last few days, with > hundreds, if not thousands, of bees doing their back-and-forth cleaning > maneuver > > It's not particularly hot out, but it is humid. > > I'm using two hive bodies for a brood chamber (haven't been down there > recently). > > I have two full shallow supers on top of the brood chamber, and a mostly > empty, but built out, super on top of those. > > They cover the front so I almost can't see the wood, but not the back or > sides of the hive. They cover the landing board and the plywood front > of the hive stand. > > I may have been late putting on the third super, so there may be a fair > bit of burr comb in the brood chamber, > > The hive swarmed in the spring, but seems to be doing nicely now. > > Any thoughts? > Article 36319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re Extracting Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:45:10 +0100 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.130.90 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1059547549 21504 217.135.130.90 (30 Jul 2003 06:45:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 2003 06:45:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36319 "Christopher Walters" asked: > 1 Do you slice of the cappings into an uncappings tray, or what other > method is feasable? For only two supers it is probably best to uncap into a tray and allow the cappings to drain in a warm place. You could squeeze them in a filter bag. > 2 How is the best way to 'Seed' honey to produce a 'set' honey quickly? Add fine grain honey (5%), stir and allow to set - but you probably have no fine grain honey! > 3 Do you return the cappings for the bees to clean up and therefore just > have wax left? You can return the cappings to the bees, but it is best to put them in a feeder and return them late in the day to prevent robbing. To prevent the spread of disease, give the cappings back to the colony from which they came. Do not, under any circumstances, leave wet cappings out in the open for bees to clean up. This starts robbing and spreads disease - remember that it will not only be your bees that turn up for the party! > 4 Do you return the wet supers to the hive, insert a crownboard first, for > the bees to clean up and how long before they are dry? Your choice. Some store supers wet as this can help reduce waxmoth damage, others prefer to return them for cleaning. I prefer to put the supers under the crown board until they are dry - putting them over the crownboard often causes the death of many bees in the confined space which can get very hot; I also have a theory that many bees get sticky and fall off the super combs - if they fall on the crownboard they die, if they fall into the brood box I suspect they will be cleaned up by others. Again, never put wet supers out for bees to clean up - this is one of the very best ways of spreading disease. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 36320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Bruce Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What the heck are they doing? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:00:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36320 I have almost the same identical set up in East Texas. My first hive. Mine have been doing the same thing. Bruce On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:42:38 -0700, Richard Hyde wrote: >I've kept a hive or two for most of my life, but I don't recall ever >seeing this before. > >The front of the hive has been covered, for the last few days, with >hundreds, if not thousands, of bees doing their back-and-forth cleaning >maneuver > >It's not particularly hot out, but it is humid. > >I'm using two hive bodies for a brood chamber (haven't been down there >recently). > >I have two full shallow supers on top of the brood chamber, and a mostly >empty, but built out, super on top of those. > >They cover the front so I almost can't see the wood, but not the back or >sides of the hive. They cover the landing board and the plywood front >of the hive stand. > >I may have been late putting on the third super, so there may be a fair >bit of burr comb in the brood chamber, > >The hive swarmed in the spring, but seems to be doing nicely now. > >Any thoughts? Article 36321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What the heck are they doing? Date: 31 Jul 2003 06:36:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0307310536.b942149@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059658586 16093 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2003 13:36:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 13:36:26 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36321 Richard Hyde wrote in message news:... > I've kept a hive or two for most of my life, but I don't recall ever > seeing this before. > > The front of the hive has been covered, for the last few days, with > hundreds, if not thousands, of bees doing their back-and-forth cleaning > maneuver > > It's not particularly hot out, but it is humid. > > I'm using two hive bodies for a brood chamber (haven't been down there > recently). > > I have two full shallow supers on top of the brood chamber, and a mostly > empty, but built out, super on top of those. > > They cover the front so I almost can't see the wood, but not the back or > sides of the hive. They cover the landing board and the plywood front > of the hive stand. > > I may have been late putting on the third super, so there may be a fair > bit of burr comb in the brood chamber, > > The hive swarmed in the spring, but seems to be doing nicely now. > > Any thoughts? They are dancing. Because nobody knows for sure they can't dispute the dancing theory. Here if the supers have drawn comb we put em on 3-5 at a time CT USA Article 36322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@txk.net (Doc Rogers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What the heck are they doing? Date: 31 Jul 2003 09:02:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7e3b131a.0307310802.1dc98c82@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.119.69.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1059667362 25675 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2003 16:02:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 16:02:42 GMT Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36322 Howdy Richard -- The bees all over the outside front is just "sitting on the front porch". This reduces congestion inside the hive. This large number of bees are just not needed inside. It may be a little cooler outside -- at least the fanning bees can circulate air through the hive better. The "washboard movement" is not fully understood, blut my idea is this: Bees are born to work. When the honey flow dimishes or ends the bees are bored. Washboarding is about the same as us twiddling our thumbs. Doc > Article 36323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:27:13 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.187.128 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1059687329 28009 217.135.187.128 (31 Jul 2003 21:35:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 21:35:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36323 "Wm. Beasley" said: > Any suggestions on good > sources? The only one that I know is 'The Observation Hive' by Karl Showler. Try Northern Bee Books (link from our website). > (If worse comes to worse, I have convinced them to > maintain a regular hive as a backup -- so if the observation colony > fails to winter, there will be a healthy source in the Spring). This is a very good idea in any event. Small observation hives can easily become very overcrowded so it is useful to be able to remove some brood from time to time. Try to use a less prolific queen (I have used old ones when re-queening my main colonies). Similarly, you may need to add brood or stores at other times of the year. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 36324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: reader1.panix.com!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding observation hives in winter Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:34:34 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.187.128 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1059687330 28009 217.135.187.128 (31 Jul 2003 21:35:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 2003 21:35:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: panix sci.agriculture.beekeeping:36324 "Scot Mc Pherson" said: > I think if you keep your hive indoors thusly, you are going to have even > greater problems than trying to overwinter the hive out of doors. The bees > need to reduce their metabolism and try to keep warm. This is their winter > activity. If they are already warm, then I think you will find your bees > are far too overactive, and will consume so much honey and aslo look like > trapped rats when its too cold to go out and vacate themselves (might get > real messy and smelly). Good points, a cool location would be best, but I have overwintered a two frame (BS) in a butterfly farm here; not sure of the temperature, but it was warm enough for the butterflies to fly all winter. Probably depends on how many open days that you get during the winter when the bees can fly. Sugar syrup can be fed, but I would suggest that frames of honey would be better if you can get them in. Fondant would also be fine if you can arrange it (I have a piece on the website about feeding with fondant). You will, of course, also need a strategy for treating for varroa (and any other nasties that you have!). Best wishes -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/