>From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!r oots.ultranet.com!pimentel From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:13:22 LOCAL Organization: Whatever I wish it to be at the time Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur ) writes: >Hello All, > This network news group stuff is really getting confusing. If anyone >has been able to follow it please advise us all as how or what effects >it will have on sci.agriculture.beekeeping. > It's not clear to me if it is being eliminated, combined, or staying >the same. After reading this post several times it seems to have not >been mentioned so I would guess it is staying the same, but want to be >sure. > I can support adding more agricultural news groups, but this is too >many at one shot, and very confusing to at least me. Why, is it confusing? >We are part of agriculture, but >have alway's been been separate and I think that is good and we should >keep it that way as far as news groups go. And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide what it is you want. And no it is not confusing, if you take the time to breakdown the groups being presented. There will be three farming groups, they will be in sci.agriculture.*, under a hierarchy called livestock. There will be eight newsgroups added to rec.pets.* three of which will be under rodents, and finally there will be ten newsgroups added to a newly created hirarchy called misc.wildlife.*, one of these will be opened to include dolphins. And finally there are two renames not previously included. What does this have to do with beekeeping? Nothing, other than the livestock groups coming into the neighbourhood and the proposed rename of the parent group, sci.agriculture to sci.agriculture.misc And no I'm not a news.group guru. On last note: None of this will happen if people don't vote for it. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 02:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950708221808297@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <950708133030294@beenet. com> Lines: 26 P>From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s P>In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachba >) writes: P>And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming >groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) >are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide >what it is you want. hELLO John, Sorry to pull on your chain. I got no problem, in fact it looks better to me the more it is explained, but maybe I find it a little hard to follow. If I understand what you have posted there will be NO change to the beekeeping news group and that is what I was interested in. I will vote for that, and adding the new news groups too. As for what I want, that would be to continue the beekeeping news group with out a lot of off topic posts if possible. ttul Andy- >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: 9 Jul 1995 01:26:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. All the wind being blown about the change was basically just that: hot air. But, if someone ever decides to change this newsgroup or any other that you like, it is your job to keep informed, and to vote. Net gurus have the power to remove even the best laid plans, so keep alert: even posting a simple "what's all this garbage mean" post is okay--even encouraged. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From E2Y1@UNB.CA Fri Jul 14 01:45:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA From: "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 08 JUL 95 11:52:42 AST Organization: The University of New Brunswick Lines: 18 Sender: usenet@UNB.CA Message-ID: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? I would like to try this, as my father in law has started beekeeping as a hobby. Thanks in advance. -andrea. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Multi Queen Environment Date: 9 Jul 1995 02:23:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3tnejb$nj3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com>, Rod Ladwig wrote: >I have also known of cases here in >africa that some beekeepers have had up to 5 queens in a hive. > Interesting! How big were the hives--how were the boxes allocated to each queen? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 05:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <950709062718301@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <950708133030294@beenet.com> Lines: 82 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s A> No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups >will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance >of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. Thanks Adam, I like the idea of having more news groups and will subscribe to them for my bbs users. The beekeepers are doing a good job on watching the few agriculture groups and lists that are around now for questions on bees and other topics they are interested in. I am sure that will increase with more news groups if they are voted in. ttul Andy- __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on candlemaking. Good Luck! Marjorie >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei .com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.ca he.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Re. purple loostrife discussion Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:33:18 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 42 On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *Not all the mail I get on this subject has been anti beekeeper. > passed on with permission. > ---------------------------------------- > From: jwagner@mindspring.com (Jim Wagner) > To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com > Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:18:46 -0500 > Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion > > Dear Beefriend, > > I am a brand new hobby beekeeper, only two hives started this spring. So I <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< snipped for brevity <<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Ask an enviornmentalist why a human couple can mate and raise a family in an > eight by ten room but it takes three square miles for a spotted owl to do > the same? Easy answer. The human couple draws upon the resources of most of the states of the US as well as countries of the world for food, shelter and clothing. The owl only has 3 square miles and has to work around the people. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng. mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse. ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 06:23:10 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 45 On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates > wrote: > > > There may be some substance > > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyon e? > > Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell > it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and > the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. Mann Lake is > trying to get approval, but there is no way to know if and when they will > be successful. However, there is another source for para, janitorial > suppliers sell para as hockey puck shaped blocks for use in urinals. Make > sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are > really bad news. > > Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com > > According to discussions on entomo-l, paradichlorobenzene (note the benzene) is nasty stuff and is being discontinued from use by museum workers. Does this have a registration for wax moth? Might their be a problem of contamination of honey? If it kills waxmoth, and dermestids in museums, what does it do to bees? I'm not familiar with this product for this us and am not a beekeeper, so I ask more to suggest caution and doublechecking before use. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From eifert@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-sta te.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering: Thanks Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:30:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3trh3i$4er@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wor-ma1-09.ix.netcom.com Thanks to all who responded with information regarding wintering a hive for my uncle in North Carolina. I'll compile the information and forward it to him. Who knows -- I may get the beekeeping bug (no pun intended) and be back on line with some questions of my own! Take care. -- Darrell >From marko@pulse.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!mark o From: marko@pulse.com (Mark C. Orton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:56:52 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3trik5$r8e@news.cais.com> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: naomia.pulse.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Marjorie Rosen (marjorie@netcom.com) quoth: > Mrs. Andrea Gatto (E2Y1@UNB.CA) wrote: > : Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? > : I would like to try this, as my father in law has started > : beekeeping as a hobby. > You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, > you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the > bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old > T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in > the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you > can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on > candlemaking. I'll add one more bit of wisdom to this: if you melt the wax in a copper (or copper-alloy) container, it will turn green. If you want the candles to be the natural beeswax color, avoid copper. -- Mark C. Orton employed by (but not speaking for) Pulse Communications, Inc. >From mkeithr@neosoft.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.ne osoft.com!usenet From: mkeithr@neosoft.com (Keith Reynolds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:17:39 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooter-slip-e2.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 My mother has a problem hive residing in a Purple Martin house. She says they are Bumblebees. They are very aggressive and have made gardening/lawn mowing very hazardous. She has been stung once and my father twice. Any advice would be much appreciated. Incidentally, there are baby birds nesting in one of the other holes and they would like to not harm them if at all possible. Thanks in advance. >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Do Bee Stings Help Arthritis? Message-ID: <1995Jul10.164311.10861@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:43:11 GMT Lines: 17 In article <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) write s: > >It has been fairly well documented that bee keepers suffer less >from arthritis than the general population. The treatment is >simply to get stung on a regular basis. Whether it can >'cure' arthritis or just delay its onset I don't know. This is widely believed but I'd be very interested in the documentation you refer to. The person most seriously crippled with arthritis that I know (now confined to a wheelchair) was a beekeeper for many years before (and while) the disease developed. Draw your own conclusions. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!demon!alkham.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 22:56:19 GMT Organization: First Circle Lines: 13 Message-ID: <805330579snz@alkham.demon.co.uk> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: alkham.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my first swarm (which was healthy). Swarms can cost as much as 100 ukp in the UK but these are kept (allegedly) in hygenic conditions and monitored for sickness before being sold on later so don't get greedy and imagine that anybody will PAY to remove your swarm! Good luck. -- Dave >From redotec@algonet.se Fri Jul 14 01:46:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!news.algonet.se!usenet From: Margareta Berglund Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Paralysis Disease Date: 10 Jul 1995 18:42:43 GMT Organization: redotec Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3trsb3$6vu@alecto.algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: sophocles.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping A beekeeping colleague asked me to send this question. Is there anyone with info and/or knowledge about Bee Paralysis disease, or that can give me an idea on where to look for more information? I suspect an outbreak of Paralysis among my bees. Adult bees die off as soon as they start flying, some are found crawling near the hives with trembling motions. Some have one or two legs paralysed, some have one wing pointing in an odd direction. There is no spraying, to my knowledge, going on in the area where I have the bees. This affects 250 hives spread over an area of 20 km. This is the second season I have this problems, last year not so severe as now. Spring build up was normal in most hives, I got a box of honey on some in an early flow on dandelions. Then all of a sudden bees started to disappear, only young bees where left in the hives. Even queenrearing is affected, emerging queens show similar symtoms, with often paralysed and defect front legs. I hope someone can help me with more information on how to diagnose and prevent furter spread of the disease. The bees are located in Sweden on Latitude 60'. P-O Gustavsson Thanks in advance Margareta Berglund redotec@algonet.se >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!dish.news.pipex .net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Message-ID: <1995Jul10.165427.11020@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:54:27 GMT Lines: 21 In article <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> William Mielke <75753 .3556@CompuServe.COM> writes: >I've got a problem that's getting worse lately bees ( I live in >Vancouver Canada ) and never run across so many. I originally >found a nest ( at the foundation of a building add-on ) ... >Is there some way to get the bees to move on or a >pesticide to use ( that can be bought in Canada ) that can rid me >of the problem before they get fully re-established. Are these honeybees or bumblebees? In the former case, on a warm afternoon, I'd expect at least several hundred bees to be flying around the entrance _at the same time_. However, if they're bumblebees (large striped _furry_ bees), you should rarely see more than one or two simultaneously. Depending on which, I'd answer your question completely differently. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:22:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3tsn9c$73d@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Test - please ignore >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:42:13 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Ok, sorry about the test; I've been having problems doing follow-up posts. Assuming they *are* bumble bees, the general procedure is to expose the cavity within which they have established their colony and simply scoop out the globular, waxy peanut-like clusters comprising it. Do this quickly - don't mess around. Open the cavity locate the clusters and dump them into a 5 gallon bucket with a little flyin insect killer sprayed inside. Work quickly and you will minimize the probability of getting stung. You will need a good veil, gloves and thick shirt(s). Really, you should use a good suit. Normally, in removing these or vespids, you'd want to spray a bit of flying insect killer in the cavity to knock out any flyers. But in this case you'll probably just have to do without. If it's a small nest you'll be ok. If it's big.... I don't know. Maybe you could spray in some ammonia.... What exactly is the physical configuration of the box? Bumblebees, despite their benign nature can really be mean when aroused. Also intimidating. When they bump your veil, you know it. For the record, I absolutely hate to kill bumblebees. We usually try to talk the customer out of it if at all possible.... At this point, if it's absolutely necessary (i.e., they are either hiring us or doing it themsleves or hiring someone else - either of the latter may result in a botched job), we just do it and get it over with as quickly as possible. Dave >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:44:34 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3tsoii$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Whups, forgot to post the alternative method. Since you actually know erxactly where the nest is, and it is apparently in a defined, confined space, why not try something like liquid nitrogen or dry ice? >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:52:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3tsp1r$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <805330579snz@alkham .demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] dave (dave@alkham.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will : often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for : free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my : first swarm (which was healthy). Just be sure that they define the perimeter of the colony and remove the brood comb. If they open it up from the inside, have them screen-off the interior opening. Do not have them caulk up the outside entrance until the remains of the hive have been robbed out (about 6 days or so). Then, make sure the repairers fill the cavity with fiberglass or some other insulation and also caulk up the exterior entrance. Also, look for other openiongs in the structure (around eaves, etc.) and caulk those too. Spraying the exterior entrance just causes them to move around and find another entrance - perhaps through the living room light fixtures! Dave If this is unclear or you have questions, e-mail me or contact Anthony M. Buzas, Commercial Beekeepers at 215 483-4165. (Ask for Tony) >From 75753.3556@CompuServe.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!delmarva.com!n ewsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: William Mielke <75753.3556@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 10 Jul 1995 06:53:15 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3tqior$556$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Thanks very much for the suggestions I got via email everyone, it appears we now have got the problem under control. Bill Mielke -- Bill Mielke >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <950710221601310@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <1995Jul6.130824.5531@crosfield.co.uk> <804446447snz@apis.demon.co. uk> <3s2lcm$ Lines: 61 ---------------------------------------- From: "Moote, John M." Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:56:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees After I posted to BEE-L about a new pesticide, I have had several discussions with Jim De Quattro concerning a short summary appearing in "Inside R & D". Jim works for the USDA. To recap, the article was on a new dye that is toxic to insects but not to mammals. My comment was that "they still don't get it" and that it did not appear that anyone was concerned with "apis". I found out two things... 1. The Internet is a much larger forum than you might imagine and 2. I was probably 180 degrees off target... with permission, Jim's comments... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John, A colleague who subscribes to the list sent me a copy of your message, since I've written about some aspects of the dye research. You correctly noted that Inside R&D's story about fruit fly-killing dyes addressed the issues of whether the dyes were safe for mammals and crops--but it ignored bees and beneficials. The dye blend mentioned in Inside R&D is SureDye--not a USDA invention but an experimental product of PhotoDye, Inc., Linthicum, Md. But, scientists at USDA's Agricultural Research Service have been testing the dyes against fruit flies for about two years. [The blend was developed about 1982 by James Heitz. He is a chemist at Mississippi State University, and president of PhotoDye. The dye is not a registered insecticide.] Inside R&D chose--probably based on assessing what their own audience would most likely want to know--not to address bees and other beneficials. But the researchers are. Feel free to follow up with them about the dye and beneficials. It won't be the first time they've been asked! Against fruit flies, the dye--ASSUMING it passes muster with researchers and regulatory agencies--MIGHT be used as an aerial spray, or in bait stations. According to the scientists, an insect has to ingest the dye for it to be toxic. This doesn't mean a bee could not ingest it, but it apparently wouldn't act as a contact insecticide like malathion. Can something that is imperfect--but better than (or not as "bad" as) malathion--be an acceptable alternative? Personally, I think yes. Could the dye become an acceptable alternative? Maybe, but I don't think enough evidence is in. I think the researchers would basically agree with that. Besides, acceptable to whom? To contact the ARS research teams: Robert Mangan, Crop Quality & Fruit Insects Research unit, Weslaco, Texas, phone (510) 565-2647; Nick Liquido, Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Research Laboratory, Hilo, Hawaii, phone (808) 959-4300. --Jim De Quattro, Writer/editor Information Staff, USDA Agricultural Research Service Internet jdequatt@asrr.arsusda.gov Phone (301) 344-2756, Fax (301) 344-2311 6303 Ivy Lane, Room 443, Greenbelt MD 20770 >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlin k.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Message-ID: <1995Jul11.141709.7474@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:17:09 GMT Lines: 192 Assuming that we are talking about bumblebees here I would put in a plea not to kill them. It is rarely necessary. If they really are a nuisance because of the place that they have chosen to make a home, it is possible to move the nest. Here are some interesting pieces on moving bumblebees - or even keeping them as pets - taken from the Bee-l mailing list recently. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:25:04 +0100 From: Malcolm Roe Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Michael Thigpen asks: > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > the garage there. When I checked this weekend, there were indeed quite a > few buzzing around. I hate to disturb their activity, but the tenant is > in a panic. Is there a way that I might "invite" them to shift their > activity just a bit so that they'll not be near the tenants' vehicles? For some years I used to be on a list of beekeepers held by my local authority, who are responsible for pest removal in our area. If someone called them with a bee problem they'd get one of the beekeepers on the list to go instead of their own staff. In my experiece at least half the call-outs were actually for bumble bees, not honey bees. What I used to do was try to encourage the householder to leave them alone. It helps to know something about bumble bees and their behaviour. Sometimes a little reassurance is all that's needed. You soon know whether that's going to work. If not, I'd try to remove the bumble bees alive. This is often quite easy. The nests are usually made in a ball of insulating material. I often used to to find them in bird boxes. A bird had nested there one year. The next year a bumble bee queen established herself in the old nest. Old mouse nests are another common place. My guess is that the bees are in a pile of old rubbish somewhere in the garage. If you're lucky the nest will be inside some sort of container. Wait until the evening when the bees have stopped flying and you can just gently remove the whole container after blocking the entrance or putting it inside something like a sack. Otherwise, you'll have to lift out the nest enclosed in it's insulating matter and put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less aggressive then honey bees. Finally you can establish the nest somewhere else. My favourite place was under my shed, which is raised about 10cm above ground level. I'd just put the nest into something like a small cardboard box with a hole cut for an entrance and push it under the shed. Then I could watch "my" bumble bees flying all summer! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:04:51 GMT From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Malcolm Roe writes: > Michael Thigpen asks: > > > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > > the garage there. .... > > put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot > to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less > aggressive then honey bees. I agree with all Malcolm has said. I too do this fairly often. Bumble bees often make a lot of noise considering how few bees there are, but they don't *often* sting. They do sometimes come out of the nest is something of a noisy rush though. I had occasion last year to take a nest before dusk when there were still a few bees out flying, so I invited the homeowner (who by then was fascinated): "If you feel like it, put any straglers into a ventilated jar and bring them to me -- I'll put them with the rest as they *do* need their numbers." Over the next four days he brought me about 40 bees in a dozen jars, so it seems likely that not all bumbles come home every night. BTW, this was a big gorilla of a guy who spent an hour or so each of those nights, sitting by their ex-nest with a small fishing net, just scooping them up. Definitely a softy at heart. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:35 -0700 From: Ann Dougherty Subject: Bumble Bee Hive Does anyone know how to put together a Bumble Bee Hive? A friend has a nest of Red rumped Bumble Bees in his back yard in the ground. I recall reading a small hive can be built to house them. I'm mostly interested in just observing them. They sure are beautiful bees. any suggestions would be appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:23:00 -0700 From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: Bumble Bee Hive There are professional ways to rear bumblebee colonies, but I tried a very simple method in a situation such as you describe, and it worked fine. A friend had a bumble bee nest in the rocks where his 2 and 4 year old had their sandbox, so the decision to moved the nest was made. I had a clear plastic package from the supermarket bakery: like a clam shell, about 6 x 4 x 4 inches. I stapled one side of the package in a sheltered spot just ouside a window, where we could watch. I stapled a piece of cloth, draping over the clear plastic for shade and insulation. I put a 3/4 inch hole in the box for an entrance. I used another plastic container to carry the nest. I had my bee veil and some rubber gloves. I moved some rocks and found the nest in an old mouse nest. I picked it up and put it in the container, with the large queen and about 20 smaller bumblebees, and covered it with a cloth, then I waited for 20 or so other bees to return to the nest spot, where I picked them one at a time and popped them into another container. I took the whole works home, put them in the clear box on the post, and released the bees. Within a couple of hours they were foraging as if they had been there all along. When the kids wanted to see them, I'd lift up the cloth and we would watch them a while. In a few days they had built a cover over the cluster of cells, and we couldn't see much except the foragers. The colony did alright for maybe 6 weeks, until September. Then the activity decreased and when I last looked there were quite a few mites running around in the nest material, but no bees. It was nice while it lasted. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:05:14 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: How to move a bumblebee nests? Hello everyone, I have a bumblebee nest (in the ground alongside my children's sandbox) that I would like to excavate and move. I am not an expert in this, in fact, this will be my first non-honeybee venture. I am looking for advice >from those better informed before I undertake this task. One point, I would like to keep the bees for further observation and study. Here's my current plan for removal: 1. Construct a small box (next) about 6 inches on a side with a small hole (about one-half an inch in diameter), paint it for water proofing, and put a removable lid on top for later replacement with glass (for observation). Maybe put some grass or other stuffing in it to make it look like a mouse nest. 2. Using a veil and a net, begin excavating the nest. As bees enter and exit catch them with a net and put them in a bottle of sorts for temporary holding. (I'm not quite sure how to move them from the net to the bottle. Any suggestions? Obviously this is a critical concern here, at least to me.) 3. Upon reaching the nest, remove nest and place in box. 4. Take nest and bees to a new site several miles away and place on ground. Shake bees (quickly) from bottle into nest. (Should I leave the nest sealed for a short period of time? I probably won't.) 5. Several weeks later, bring box back home and use as an observation hive. Any information anyone can share with me will be greatly appreciated? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:31:07 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: Update on moving bumblebees Just a quick update for those of you interested. I posted a message yesterday concerning moving a bumblebee nest and received a couple of very helpful suggestions. Well, last night I moved the nest and it was remarkably simple. The most amazing thing, in my opinion, was the non-aggressive behaviour of the bees. (The hive size was just under twenty (20).) The bees obviously didn't like my presence or intrusion but neither did they attempt to sting me, even when I was grabbing them and placing them in a container for transport. It was a rather interesting evening. Thanks to each of you who responded to my initial message. ========================================================================= -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.j pl.nasa.gov!ames!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov!user From: reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gail Reichert) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:20:32 +0100 Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133698 rec.animals.wildlife:4181 rec.bird s:22805 rec.pets:34951 rec.pets.birds:37825 rec.pets.cats:98517 rec.pets.herp:3 8508 sci.agriculture:5589 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2238 Me, too. If there's a straw vote, I'll vote for Cindy's proposal (for as many times as necessary 8-) 8-) 8-) Regards, Gail in response to Veronika.Berglund@UDAC.se<3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> wrote: > In article , tittle@netcom.com says... > > > >Agriculture IMO encompasses animals rather than the other way around. > >So: > > sci.agriculture.ratites > > > [A very good list of proposed groups deleted to save space] > > >This way, you have three animal hierarchies, which accurrately reflect > >their positions. Pets are clearly recreational, so rec.pets. Farming > >animals NOT recreational, DO require quite a bit of study, etc, AND > >sci.agriculture.beekeeping exists, so USE it, so sci.agriculture. Finally, > >wildlife animals have some recreational aspects, some scientific aspects, > >so misc.wildlife. > > > > Perfect! Easy, simple and neat! > > I'm with you Cindy! > > Veronika >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Advice Needed Date: 11 Jul 1995 21:52:47 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I am preparing to requeen a dozen of my hives. In the past I've only attempted three at a time. What would be the most efficient method to tackle this endevor? 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this b e done? 2) Assuming they make new queen cells: Do these need to be removed? 3) The queens are shipped with attendants; Do these have to be released? 4) Should I place the queen cage in the top or bottom brood box? 5) What else do I need to know? Thanks, New Mexico Mountain Beekeeper, Victor >From i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter .cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!i9566249 From: i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (Brian Mcewen) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 02:25:04 GMT References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 69 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133775 rec.animals.wildlife:4191 rec.bird s:22818 rec.pets:34957 rec.pets.birds:37847 rec.pets.cats:98592 rec.pets.herp:3 8548 sci.agriculture:5597 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2240 Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: : (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the : wrong subject header) : Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: : : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... : : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. : : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related : : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this : : as clearly as you did. : But the other side of that same coin is that you're trying to take : groups out of where they might fit best, say some in sci.agriculture and : some in rec.pets.* and put them all together just for the sake of : having them all together. *People* are multi-use, too, but on usenet : the discussions about people and their activities have been put into : different hierarchys, why shouldn't animals be the same? Pets are : recreational. Some animals are agricultural. A large number of people posting to this thread seem to be opposed : to putting all the animal groups together. (It seems to me that : it's the majority, but I can't say for sure). Would it be possible : to conduct a straw poll before this gets any farther to to see how : many people prefer putting some of the animal groups under : sci.agriculture how many people prefer pets staying under rec.pets.*? : Sheri Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm going to make sure to vote on. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : -- : Sheri Hurt : "Though the road seems never ending : Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | ------------------------------ | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From ccoplan@infi.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-na vy.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Advice Needed Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:09 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-navy.richmond In article <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: > 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this be done? I believe I have read or heard somewhere 2 days in advance. An additional question - how often should you requeen - annually, biannually, or just when you notice the queen beecoming weak? Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net >From hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu! purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov!hubler From: hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:59:36 GMT Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc.nasa.gov> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133891 rec.animals.wildlife:4205 rec.bird s:22839 rec.pets:34963 rec.pets.birds:37901 rec.pets.cats:98703 rec.pets.herp:3 8595 sci.agriculture:5606 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2242 In article , Brian Mcewen wrote: >Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: >: (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the >: wrong subject header) > >: Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: >: : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... > >: : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. > >: : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related >: : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this >: : as clearly as you did. > > > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. > Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something else. The net control freaks are upon us. I think some of the .edu people must have too much time on their hands. Pretty interesting how they use a political process to pull in lots of mail-list oriented groups to get support built up. You have to wonder how much traffic would actually appear in some of the more specialized groups they wish to create. But by pulling in those limited special interests they can pump up their yes vote #'s. (my gas) Dale -- Dale A. Hubler -- dale@lerc.nasa.gov -- (216) 433-8578 Sterling Software, Inc. at NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/ACCL/dale.html Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path >From mallon@worldaccess.nl Fri Jul 14 01:46:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfne t.nl!sun4nl!worldxs.worldaccess.nl!usenet From: mallon@worldaccess.nl (Niels Mallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agresive bees Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:17:14 GMT Organization: World Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3u13bf$h3g@worldxs.worldaccess.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: wxs3-16.worldaccess.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I have a problem with my bees,the problem is that they are very agresive. do i need a other queen,maybe a more quiet one,and how do i replace the old queen with the new one,if nessesary. If you know a sollution for this problem,i will gracefully receive it. greetings Coby Mallon >From unicorn@mack.rt66.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!sg iblab!rahul.net!a2i!mack.rt66.com!mack.rt66.com!not-for-mail From: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Followup-To: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds ,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:57:23 -0600 Organization: Engineering International Inc., Public Internet Access Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mack.rt66.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133902 rec.animals.wildlife:4209 rec.bird s:22845 rec.pets:34967 rec.pets.birds:37905 rec.pets.cats:98713 rec.pets.herp:3 8601 sci.agriculture:5607 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2244 Dale Hubler (hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote: : Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this : group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no : reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something : else. I'm not sure who all this was directed at, but some of the people you may assume aren't "active" in the groups may be lurkers. I don't very often post to the rec.pets.dogs.* groups, but I've been a very "active lurker" for three years. I don't post very often, but I've posted a few times. I also have written to people "behind the scenes" much more often than I've posted. The people there, and the information there have been quite valuable to me. Especially when I was able to post and find out some of the latest information on a very specialized liver problem that my dog was having. Now that I also have a cat, I also lurk in the rec.pets.cats group. Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... Sheri -- Sheri Hurt "Though the road seems never ending Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.717.23.0NFF94A3@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 11:13:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.704.23.0NFF9409@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:30 EDT 1995 Article: 2248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.718.23.0NFF94A4@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:31 EDT 1995 Article: 2249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.705.23.0NFF940A@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From altabios@bham.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:47:29 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u0jph$5eg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 In article <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" says: > >Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? >I would like to try this, as my father in law has started >beekeeping as a hobby. > >Thanks in advance. >-andrea. > > Don't get any great ideas about making huge candles, bees are very frugal with their wax. In the UK there are one or two companies who make moulds for candles. You do need proper wick, string doesn't burn well. When you melt the wax, don't get it too hot, wait till it just starts to set before you pour it into the mould, it makes a better mould that way. John Fox >From rgpiepul@ionet.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:34 EDT 1995 Article: 2251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sp rintlink.net!ionews.ionet.net!usenet From: rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:27:25 GMT Organization: IONet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsip15.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat through? Thanks, Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma >From made@andy.pp.fi Fri Jul 14 01:46:35 EDT 1995 Article: 2252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!suni c!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!newsmaster From: made@andy.pp.fi Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 13 Jul 1995 04:29:38 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3u27fi$6l8@idefix.eunet.fi> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: andy.pp.fi X-To: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) X-Mailer: SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133959 rec.animals.wildlife:4225 rec.bird s:22862 rec.pets:34975 rec.pets.birds:37953 rec.pets.cats:98782 rec.pets.herp:3 8638 sci.agriculture:5614 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2252 U >: Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this U >: group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no U >: reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something U >: else. U >Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in U >a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... U >Sheri Quite right, Sheri... I for one frequently comment on rec.pets.cats but hardly ever in INTERUSER group in Fidonet. Still having good time with both. Hi from Finland Andy ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader >> SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) - (C) 1995 PBE >From knapper@bga.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!knapper From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: McClellan county quarantine Date: 12 Jul 1995 18:02:48 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maria.bga.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Cheers Woody -- Woody Baker Postscript consultant/ hired software gun /flintknapper knapper@bga.com woody@knapper.cactus.org "If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" -->go ahead, ask me! >From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!ne ws.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:43:57 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3u30tu$dq8@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rob Piepul (rgpiepul@ionet.net) wrote: : What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees : under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive : and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" : through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. : He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. : However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this : also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat : through? : Thanks, : Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma Most caulks are advertised as remaining pliable to cover the expansion / contraction caused by temperature variations. I would suggest using a wood filler such as "plastic wood" or one by Elmers (glue people). Plastic wood has very coarse fibers and Elmers product is very fine. When it dries it is as hard as wood. I use it to repair damage to hive parts. Jerry Worrell, worrell@CBL.UMD.EDU, Dunkirk Md. >From dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dsammata From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:51:04 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, and all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum, President, 1-800-289-7668. See you there >From manette@primenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth .cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans. net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip198.msp.primenet.com!manette From: manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Horizontal Two Queen System Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:13:40 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip198.msp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] I am new to beekeeping this year and started two hives in April. I am interested in learning more about a technique called the horizontal two queen system that was developed at the University of Minnesota. I was told that this system will allow for greater honey yields. Any information would be appreciated. Please post responses to this Newsgroup or e-mail me at manette@primenet.com if you can help. Greg O'Dell Minneapolis, Minnesota >From katsmith@vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!u senet From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 22:16:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech/Blacksburg Electronic Village Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3u1hkm$9e5@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-4.sl014.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:134036 rec.animals.wildlife:4234 rec.bird s:22886 rec.pets:34984 rec.pets.birds:37981 rec.pets.cats:98869 rec.pets.herp:3 8677 sci.agriculture:5621 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2257 In article , i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu says... > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. Please see the latest version of our RFD. It is called "4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.*". This latest version is very dif ferent than the past 3 RFDs. TIA, Kathy >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713073358337@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Lines: 16 J>Subject: welcome to NE >From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) J>Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting >bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to >the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They >list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers >conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. Hello Jim, Sounds like a interesting place to visit. I will have to drop a nickel on them and see if I can find some new ideas to add to the Wild Bee's bbs. ttul Andy- >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 09:55:42 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <173DA8BA5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) writes: > >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. > Woody, Please forgive this ignorant yankee, but we ain't never heered of no McClellen County in this neck o' the woods! Where is it located? Texas? Arizona? Askin' 'cause I'm interested in AHB's migration, although I remain hopeful that they won't tolerate the cold and snow of the northern promised land! Aaron Morris - think there's no place like home! >From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 14 01:46:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc. edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!news.midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug. co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:55:59 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: glhat.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extract or. Thanks, Terry Gosset >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:36:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrote: >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Where is this? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325342@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Lines: 53 G>From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) >Subject: Solar Wax Extractor G>Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extra >or. >Thanks, >Terry Gosset HINT FOR THE HIVE #111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS When it comes to rendering beeswax, nothing works like a solar wax extractor or melter. The melter can be made from almost any materials found around the beekeeper's establishment and adapted to any size apiary. The principles of wax extractor design are always the same, although the details of each specific apparatus may differ. Bits of wax, old comb and other scrapings from the hive are placed on a slated (usually) metal tray inside the box, the wax melts and drips off the tray into a collector pan. The pan usually has slanted sides, facilitation removal of the wax block once it hardens. Usually, the inside of the extractor is painted black to absorb as much radiation as possible, facilitating heat buildup inside the melter. The melter should always be bee tight; honey bees are usually attracted to the odor of melting wax (often there is honey adhered to the wax) and this promotes robbing during nectar dearth. It is generally agreed the best way to put up good beeswax for show in fairs and other events is to render it in a solar extractor. Wax is judges on several criteria including: color, cleanliness and freedom from honey, propolis and other adulterants; uniformity of appearance; and freedom from cracking or shrinking. The best colored (light yellow) beeswax comes from that rendered from cappings: wax from old combs is often quite dark. Bleaching in the sun will often lighten the color of rendered wax. Generally, wax from a melter is quite clean. The longer it stays liquid with the resultant settling of foreign materials, the cleaner it will become. This can be accomplished in the wax extractor or in a warm turned off oven. Once a cake of wax has hardened, detritis can be scraped off the bottom and if necessary, the cleaning process repeated. Uniformity and absence of cracks in a wax block because of shrinkage is minimized by allowing beeswax to cool very slowly. The preferred mold is a bread pan with slanted sides. Once a cake is ready for submitting to a judge, do not touch it (fingerprints will cause points to be subtracted), but wrap it in plastic. THE PRINTED VERSION SHOWS A PLAN FOR A SOLAR WAX EXTRACTOR >From adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu Sat Jul 15 12:54:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!adamf From: adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: faq and archive for this newsgroup Date: 14 Jul 1995 09:10:07 GMT Organization: SunSITE at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3u5c9f$1krc@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Gearing up for the next faq and ready to receive materials for archival. Adam adamf@sunsite.unc.edu or adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325343@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> Lines: 19 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine A>In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrot >>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. A>Where is this? >Adam Yeh, I was going to ask that and more. I am sure it's in Texas, but posters should remember that most of us are not identified as to where we are posting from geographically, including myself. ttul Andy- Los Banos, CA Central California >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325344@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 10 D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, an >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum >President, 1-800-289-7668. Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. >From G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 12:54:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ct r.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic. ac.uk!ukc!mango.ukc.ac.uk!G.M.Tardivel From: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk (gmt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee sting relief? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 13:10:48 GMT Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 30 Sender: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <614@mango.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mango.ukc.ac.uk A friend, who spends a lot of time working outdoors has given me a newspaper cutting containing a letter describing a bee-sting cure. The writer appears to live in Canada. The cutting recommends a dilution of one teaspoon of meat tenderiser in (about) 50 ml of water. When dabbed on the sting the writer claims the solution will eliminate pain and swelling, and maintain heartbeat and breathing at an ordinary level. The meat tenderiser used by the writer (Adolf's instant meat tenderizer - not a product I've seen in England) contains - salt, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, papain and hydrogenated soybean oil. The tenderizer from my frind's kitchen does not contain tricalcium phosphate. She is eager to try this wonder cure for beestings and would like to know: 1) if anyone can suggest how it might work 2) if the tricacium phosphate would be an important ingredient as a beesting cure I would like to know 3) Are Canadian beestings likely to be of a similar severity to British beestings? Any comments? Thanks Jill Tardivel >From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.ao l.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:21:48 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 76 Message-ID: References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , "Sharon J. Collman" wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > >> In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates >> wrote: >> >> > There may be some substance >> > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? >> >> Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell >> it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and >> the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. [clip] Make >> sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are >> really bad news. >> >> Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >> >> > [concerns about use of PDB expressed by Sharon] >Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman >c/o Center For Urban Horticulture >Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE >University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 >Seattle, WA 98195-4115 I got my PDB from the hardware store - ask for mothballs, and READ THE LABEL. The more common variety (in the USA) is, I believe, made with Napthalene (bad stuff because it contaminates the wax). I was able to find 100% PDB mothballs fairly easily, but had to reject several brands due to their makeup. Sharon - a clarification - the PDB is used during STORAGE of honey supers. The bees themselves can control wax moths when the supers are on the colony. Several days of airing out the supers is required before placing them back on the colonies, as the PDB _is_ detrimental to the bees. My understanding was that PDB is used because it does _not_ accumulate in the wax. Unfortunately, I don't have any references handy to back up my "knowledge". I have also been led to believe that use of PDB during storage is _NOT_ regulated in the USA because the chemical is not used "in" the hive - Apistan, Fumidal-B, etc. all go directly into the colony, and therefor must be labeled appropriately to be used legally in the colony. I have always exercised caution using PDB, allowing ample time to air out the supers, due to contamination concerns, but I always considered the risk to be PDB present on the surface of the wax (and therefor easy to get into the honey), and not from PDB that had been absorbed by the wax (which could, in turn, be absorbed by the honey, I suppose). It is my belief that all PDB on the surface of the wax vaporizes and disperses during the "airing out" process. Well, that's my nickle's worth. What I have expressed is opinion and recollection only, so please treat it with a healthy skepticism. Maybe others can offer references to back up my beliefs - I will try to do some quick research over the weekend - I'll post anything useful I find. Time to get back to work before my boss finds me chatting about beekeeping again! Cheers, Rick currently managing 20 colonies in Northeastern Massachussetts **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. >From millerb@ACM.org Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!eccdb1.p ms.ford.com!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com !millerb From: millerb@pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com (Bryan Miller) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:31:30 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3u6652$gka@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <950713170325344@beene t.com> Reply-To: millerb@ACM.org NNTP-Posting-Host: pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) appears to have written: >D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) > >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 >D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, a n > >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottu m > >President, 1-800-289-7668. >Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some >will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. Yes, and please tell us the state in which this fine event will be held. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Miller | Powertrain Electronics | Control Systems Software| "Nil Sine Numine" millerb@ped.ford.com | >From pollen1@aol.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!convex!co nvex.convex.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e 1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey Date: 14 Jul 1995 17:18:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3u6muc$soa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Is it necessary to heat your fresh honey from the comb before eating? Thanks! Dave >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!new s.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208349@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 203 *To all US Beekeepers* You all warm enough? We do get hot weather here in California and having been down by the heat myself and knowing how long it can take to get over it I thought many of you would like to read this FAQ on survival in the heat. It is not something to mess with, if you get heat stroke you can injure your health and recovery is very slow. It is also hard on the bee's and they can melt down. Water is the key to saving yourself and the bee's. Drink lot's of it, and make sure your bee's are close to a good supply. ttul Andy- Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies EmergencyNet News Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, Suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 1430CDT Contact: Steve Macko, Managing Editor Phone: (312) 631-ERRI (3774) FAX: (312) 631-4703 Caution Urged During Heat Wave Chicago, IL, July 13,1995 -- With the temperatures and humidity at dangerous levels, the air quality diminishing, and no end in sight in some parts of the country, the Emergency Response & Research Institute (ERRI) is urging extreme caution for persons with cardiac and respiratory problems. According to Clark Staten, director of the Chicago-based emergency service think-tank, the recent heat wave has already resulted in the untimely deaths of several people in the Midwest and Southwestern part of the United States and more heat injuries or even deaths can be expected. "The conditions are ideal for heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and even heat stroke", the veteran (retired) paramedic said in an interview today. "This is the kind of weather that is dangerous to the elderly, children, and those that have diseases that prevent them from regulating heat well", he continued. "People with cardiac, respiratory, diabetic, asthmatic, and seizure problems should be warned to use extreme caution when exposed to this type of hot weather...it can aggravate their condition and even result in death", Staten added. "We would suggest that people with these conditions remain indoors in the air conditioning or even (if necessary) move to 'cooling centers' that have been established by many municipalities", he continued. "Even those that don't have a pre-existing medical condition can easily be affected by this type of heat and high humidity...they should take some simple precautions to prevent the onset of heat injuries", Staten concluded. According to ERRI, during the heat wave, people should: (1) Wear light colored clothing that will reflect the heat (2) Drink plenty of water or special electrolyte replacing fluids like "Gatorade", "Sports Drink" or other commercial products (3) Avoid alcoholic and caffeinated beverages, which tend to dehydrate you...rather than rehydrate you...which is needed. (4) If possible, avoid strenuous physical activity while outdoors...as this causes sweating and hastens fluid loss (5) Persons with known cardiac and respiratory conditions should remain indoors, in air conditioning, or move to cooler areas (6) Particularly the elderly and children should limit their exposure to high heat and humidity, as they are the most susceptible to its effects (7) Do not take salt tablets unless advised by a physician Staten also listed some of the signs and symptoms, of heat injuries, that can strike people during a heat wave. In order of seriousness, they include: Heat Cramps - Muscle pains caused by a build-up of acid compounds and an excessive loss of fluids in large muscles Signs & Symptoms - Cramps in legs or stomach area TREATMENT: # Remove the patient to a cooler environment # Rest the cramping muscles, sit or lie down # Replace fluids by mouth, use cool water or commercial electrolyte solutions # If the cramps do not subside, the patient should be taken to medical care Heat Exhaustion - Often called heat prostration or heat collapse, is a serious heat illness. It occurs when the body loses large amounts of water and electrolytes Signs & Symptoms - Cool, clammy(sweaty)skin, dizziness,feeling faint, nausea, vomiting, rapid pulse, feels weak or "bad" TREATMENT: # Move the patient to a cooler environment # Loosen tight or restrictive clothing or remove excessive layers of clothing # If the patient is conscious, give up to a liter of cool water or commercial electrolyte replacing fluids. Do not give fluids by mouth to a patient who can't hold the cup themselves. Never force fluids on a patient who is not alert, they could choke and aspirate the fluids. # In most cases, the patient ill recover on his/her own after fluid replacement and exposure to cooler temperatures. If not, or if a diminishing of his/her level of consciousness occurs, 911 must be called and EMT/Paramedics will start an intravenous line (I.V.) and replace fluids internally. # Unconsciousness, or a decreasing level thereof is reason enough to call 911. Always err on the side of safety and care for the patient in question. Heat Stroke - Heat stroke is a true medical emergency! It occurs when a patient that has suffered heat exhaustion does not receive treatment and is continually exposed to additional heat. Typical examples of heat stroke victims include elderly people who live in buildings without fans or air conditioning during heat waves, and children that are left in locked cars on a hot days. Humidity seems to contribute to the likelihood of both heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Signs & Symptoms: Hot & dry skin, lack of perspiration, excessive body temperature, lessening consciousness or total unconsciousness, strong rapid pulse diminishing and weaker as becomes unresponsive, imminent death if left untreated TREATMENT: # Call 911; request Emergency Medical Services (EMS) # Immediately and rapidly move the patient to a cooler environment; preferably air conditioning # Remove the patient's clothing and cover him/her (Continued to next message) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.e du!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy. nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208350@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 (Continued from previous message) with a sheet or towel soaked in cool water # If EMT/Paramedic services are delayed or not immediately available, ice packs can be applied to the patient's abdomen, armpits, and behind the neck # The patient will need intravenous (I.V.) fluids and extensive cooling measures to ensure survival. Hospital treatment will include reducing the body temperature by whatever means are necessary. Staten concluded by urging everyone to check on elderly neighbors and watch the activity of children during the remainder of this heat wave. He added that by being educated citizens will be better prepared to prevent heat injuries and care for family and friends that have suffered it's ill effects. -30- (c) EmergencyNet NEWS Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 (312) 631-ERRI - Voice/Voice Mail (312) 631-4703 - Fax (312) 631-0517 - Computer/Modem-EMERGENCY BBS-28,800bps >From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Jul 15 12:54:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ne ws-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuser ve.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 519 pound honey production - 1 hive Date: 15 Jul 1995 03:34:16 GMT Organization: International Atomic Energy Agency Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u7cvo$5qh$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> In 1945, my father had a bee colony on a scale so that the daily and total honey production could be monitored. The net (yes, NET!) honey production from that one colony was 519 lbs. We have a photo showing two 10-inch and 13 6-inch supers on the hive. It stands about 4 feet taller than my father's head. In addition to these, five 6-inch supers (full) were removed and replaced for refilling. My father was a professional honey producer in Iowa from 1934 until 1974, and had about a thousand colonies. Does anyone have a better production record to report? -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com (Home) ST0@SGIT.IAEA.OR.AT (Work) Vienna, Austria >From rnoak@access.texas.gov Sat Jul 15 12:54:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 15 Jul 1995 04:12:35 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u7f7j$scl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-1-86.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net>, rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) says: > >What is the best kind of caulk to use? A good welder probably can help you out. >From jdeming@delphi.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Joyce Deming Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone Shipping Package Bees? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 01:00:59 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com I just got my brother set up with a hive and equipment. Now all he needs are the bees. He called Weaver Apiaries (where I get my Buckfast queens), but they won't be shipping until next spring. Does anyone know of any breeders who will ship this time of year? I'm sure the heat is a problem for all the breeders, so he may have to wait until next year. It's pretty much past our swarm season here so I don't think that's an option. Anyway, what's that old rhyme -- "a swarm in July isn't worth a fly"?? Thanks for any advice. joyce jdeming@delphi.com >From pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca Mon Jul 31 16:35:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!pjhayes From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 25 Jul 1995 23:49:01 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Thanks. Justus Hayes pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca FYA: Monty Python's "Eric the Half a Bee" Half a bee, philosophically, Must ipso facto half not-be. But half the bee has got to be, Vis-a-vis its entity. Do you see? But can a bee be said to be Or not to be an entire bee, When half the bee is not a bee Due to some ancient injury. Singing, La da da, La dee dee, Eric the half a bee. Ho ho ho, Tee hee hee, Eric the half a bee. Is this a wretched demi-bee Half asleep upon my knee? Some freak from a menagerie? No! It's Eric the half a bee. Fiddle-dee dum, Fiddle-dee dee, Eric the half a bee. A, b, c, d, e, f, g, Eric the half a bee. I love this hive employee-ee, Bisected accidentally One summer afternoon by me. I love him carnally. (He loves him carnally) Semi-carnally. The end. >From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa .chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!v ixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.ACO.net !news.iif.hu!news.sztaki.hu!news.bme.hu!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berl in.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps FAQ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:57:04 +0000 Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 In article , lehmann@opus.mco.edu (Paul F. Lehmann, Ph.D.) wrote: > As a visitor to the Tudor reenactment at Kentwell Manor, Suffolk, England, > during July I can thoroughly recommend it. The bee exhibit was great and > really exciting and there was a mass of other interesting things to look > at. By the way, it was me that took you to see the bees - tall red-haired chap with a beard, dressed in green and brown - so I'm glad you enjoyed it. I take it you are back in the States now. Hope you liked the rest of Kentwell! Yours Mike -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Yours Mike Reddy -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mi d Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 26 Jul 1995 05:52:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3v4l62$laq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Justus Hayes wrote: >Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hello, If you would like to get the latest copy of the beekeeping FAQ, pointing toward internet beekeeping resources, here's what you do: * WWW URL: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * WWW URL: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/beekeeping-faq/faq.html * FTP: FTP rtfm.mit.edu log on anonymous, then cd to /pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq can also FTP to: ftp.uu.net /usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq If you can't use FTP, you may email for the faq. Here's how: * email: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu no subject in body of letter put: send usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * Usenet The beekeeping faq is posted every month to: news.answers, sci.answers, misc.answers, alt.answers, rec.answers as well as sci.agriculture.beekeeping, misc.rural, alt.sustainable.agriculture, and rec.gardens. As a last resort, you may mail me and I'll send you the latest version, but I might take longer than the above sources.... As always, please send suggestions, comments, criticisms, and I'll do what I can. Wishing you the best in the beekeeping world, Adam -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuros hio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.ed u!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 04:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726065339416@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Lines: 86 P>From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) >Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? P>Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hi Justus, Nice Post, I will add it to the FAQ "Quote of the Month". There are FAQ's and there are faq's. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc. duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ukma!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford .com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:51:42 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3v5kpu$d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara writes: > One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not > universal. Traps do not work in the Eastern US. In addition, just > because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is > any "control" Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount > trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the > population. If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, > would you consider that a success? > Stephen Bambara > Raleigh, NC > > Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US? -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From mikew54789@aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol. com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help Starting Library Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:02:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3v6l3c$q7f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The Central Maryland Beekeepers Assoc. would like to start a library of books and videos. We have $1000 to spend. Is there anyone out there that has done this? I would appreciate any suggestions regarding sources, discounts or any thing you can offer. Mike >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.n et!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!admi nmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:05:03 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but will probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick !clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in exposed areas Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:18:38 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3v0o5u$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL I have stocks in National hives on the edge of some moorland. The site is quite high up, and during the winter months is likely to be rather damp/blowy/cold. Can anyone advise me - does anything need to be done to assist overwintering, i.e. extra packing over the crown board, "wrapping" of the hive or whatnot? The hives will probably remain on brood + 1/2. I have only kept bees in sunny Bedfordshire before (!). I will be tying down the hives, just in case! The area is pleasant in the summer (as far as that is possible in our climate) & has provided surplus this season. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!apis.demon.c o.uk!Gordon From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:01:57 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <806947317snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk "Richard Yates" writes: > Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like > Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is > anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but wil l > probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. I use a mesh screen false floor under the brood nest and over the old (reversed) wooden floor. Dying mites drop off of the bees and land on a paper insert under the screen where the bees can't throw them out with the rubbish. The natural mortality of mites is _much_ lower than with Bayvarol but does give a clue to the level of infestation. Be warned that natural mortality rates in the UK seem unusual at present. Early figures in Germany (I can't find the reference) suggested that a few tens of mites per day indicated imminent colony collapse. At present in the UK, mortality rates can be several *hundreds* per day without collapse. IBRA have a Varroa information pack -- ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Talc, icing sugar or lactic acid all give a *relatively* benign knockdown -- more info mailed direct. There are a couple of downsides to 'varroa floors'. The bees sometimes extend the bottom of the comb down to the mesh. Below the mesh can become a wax moth factory. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK >From paulp@ims.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet! in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Brood Area Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:22:22 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I've a hive where the queen is only filling about four frames with brood. The brood area is very tidy looking, it just isn't very big. This hive has plenty of stores for the winter, but I'm concerned about there being enough bees. Right now, when I smoke them down, they will fill the bottom box but not much more. I've been watching this hive for about a month since I first noticed this condition, and it seems to be fairly stable at four frames of brood (not declining). What is the minimum to winter a hive in the Pacific Northwest? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!hol onet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 01:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726202313423@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 25 *FYI* From: Robert Rice Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:39:04 +1200 Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity BEEKEEPING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IN NEW ZEALAND A friend is wanting to sell his commercial honey production business which is based on the Nth Canterbury Plains near Christchurch, New Zealand. If this opportunity is of interest to you or anyone you might know please ask the to contact me directly. Robert Rice Apiculture Services Manager (Sth Island) Ministry of Agriculture P.O. Box 24, Lincoln, New Zealand. E-Mail ricer@lincoln.mqm.govt.nz --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ This tagline stolen by Off-Line Xpress! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathwork s.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet !colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Guide to Pollen used by beesNEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <950727170745426@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 *NEW BOOK* From: Anguspd0@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:26:48 -0400 Subject: Guide to Pollen used by bees NEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00) by G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren The hardback edition of this pollen atlas of Southeastern U.S. flora is finally available for sale. It contains nearly 100 pages of text and indices as well as over 100 full-page plates. In total there are nearly 1,000 individual SEM photographs of 400 different vouchered pollen taxa found in flora of the Southeastern United States. In addition to a text portion, and plates, the book contains five separate indices that make finding the picture of any pollen grain easy. All of the SEM photographs are indexed according to their plant family, according to the plant's genus, by aperturation type, by ornamentation classification, and by individual photograph number. It is a remarkable publication for the price! Although this pollen atlas would be useful for any type of pollen research, it is especially useful for those individuals working with pollen-feeding insects and bees. Almost all of the pollen taxa represented in this book come from confirmed identifications of pollen taxa known to be used by bees in the production of honey, or pollen used as food by other types of pollen-eating insects. Copies may be ordered by email, by letter, by FAX, or by telephone >from the American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists. You may pay by VISA, Master Card, cash, or by check. If your order is accompanied by payment, AASP will send you the book free of additional postage and handling charges. If you want AASP to invoice you, postage and handling charges will be added . Send your orders to: Palynology Laboratory Telephone 409-845-5242 MS-4352 FAX 409-845-4070 Texas A&M University email (vbyrant@tamu.edu) College Station, Texas 77843-4352 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Bienenzuechter >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control Date: 27 Jul 1995 12:31:12 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3v80ug$5uh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <3v5kpu$ d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/3v5kpu$d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) wrote: >In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara writes: >> One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not >> universal. Traps do not work in the Eastern US. In addition, just >> because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is >> any "control" Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount >> trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the >> population. If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, >> would you consider that a success? >> Stephen Bambara >> Raleigh, NC >> >> > >Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US? > Harold, That is a great question, for which we do not have the answer. I have tested several designs of yellow jacket traps over the years= (I'm not the only one) with poor results. Traps may catch 3-4 adults per week at best compared to reports of hundreds (I'd like to= see that!) claimed in the West. One suggestion is that we have a different race. Someone should do som e DNA comparisons. Perhaps humidity plays a part in volatili= ty of attractants? Who knows? The second point is comparable to the Japanese beetle trap situation. Sure you catch hundreds of the buggers, but are you really c= ontroling anything in your yard? Japanese beetle traps are most effective when you set your trap in your NEIGHBOR'S yard. :) Stephen Bambara Raleigh, NC > >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Mon Jul 31 16:35:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Yellow jackets From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iii.net!agranet!jim.me tcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.858.23.0NFF975C@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 19:37:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 7 An Old beekeeper who use to get rid of all yellow jacket from fairs told me an easy way to eliminate all within one mile, Mix 1 tsp sevin with a tune can size portion of hamburg or cat food. Protect from animals and birds with a piece of hardware cloth. Since YJ are meat eaters all within 1 mile will vvisit and bring substance back to nest, All will be gone within 10 days. >From saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc .net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!algol.cis.udel.edu !saunders From: saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Guide to Pollen used by beesNEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED Date: 28 Jul 1995 15:57:01 GMT Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3vb1cd$qpb@louie.udel.edu> References: <950727170745426@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu In article <950727170745426@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > ... > >POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY >AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00) > by G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren > ... Sounds great! How well do you think this applies to flora in Delaware? I'm a novice beekeeper (hobbyist so far) and, more generally, am interested to know how to identify my bees' sources at various times of the season. B.(as in Bee) David Saunders >From wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.de mon.net!demon!londonci.demon.co.uk!wordset From: Wordset Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: London City Farm on the Net Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:28:55 GMT Organization: London Calling Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <807118135snz@londonci.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: londonci.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Surrey Docks Farm in south east London (UK) now has a Web site within London Calling. The city farm, catering for school visits and training, has honey-producing hives which visitors can observe. The people at the farm would love to hear from anyone with associated interests. 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Jackson St. fax 703-522-5846 Arlington, VA 22201 inquire@qcnet.com USA >From hase@wettzell.ifag.de Mon Jul 31 22:16:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-ka rlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!news From: Hayo Hase Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do by 'Melizitose' ? R&D program wanted... Date: 31 Jul 1995 07:52:09 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Angewandte Geodaesie Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3vi239$erk@rrzs3.uni-regensburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tigoa.wettzell.ifag.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.1.72 i486) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi beekeeper and honeyresearchers! This is an emergency call. In the Bavarian Forest (Germany, between Danube and Chechia) the honey suffers 'Melizitose' (or similar it is called). So far as I understood, there are louses of the leaves behind. They suck the juice from the trees, which makes somehow a change to the nectar. The collecting bees make honey out of it, but it cristallize in the weaves. Centrifugating has no effect. The honey stays inside the weaves. Beekeepers in this region could harvest ca. 40kg per beehieve, but they bring only ca. 3 kg out. Even the bees aren't able to consume that honey during winter time. Does anybody a solution for the problem to get the honey? Isn't that of interest for natural science? I am thinking to physic/chemical solution: The chemistry of honey with Melizitose should have a typical molecular structure. Each molecule has a resonance frequency. If we stimulate the honey with those resonance frequencies, the honey should become liquid and get out of the weaves. (Principle according to water molecule in the microwave.) [I'm not good in chemistry, biology.] Did somebody make some investigation in this? The problem with Melizitose increased during the past years. Any invention in this direction will save beekeeping in the South of Germany. Thanks for comments and replies - prefered by email. Hayo -- ***************************************************************************** * Hayo Hase Tel: 09941-603-0 * * Institut fuer Angewandte Geodaesie Tel: 09941-603-104 * * Fundamentalstation Wettzell Fax: 09941-603-222 * * D-94333 Koetzting Net: hase@wettzell.ifag.de * ***************************************************************************** >From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Mon Aug 14 13:47:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!ho wland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncr gw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Kevin Ormerod Subject: Re: Beekeeping and Municipal Bylaws Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (KEVIN) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <400192$djm@sanjuan.amtsgi.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:00:53 GMT Lines: 72 Peter, As a backyard beekeeper, myself, I was concerned about being a good neighbor. I obtained a copy of "Texas Model Ordinance For Urban Beekeeping" >from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-233-7929). The copy was only $1.50 and it outlined the basis for a town ordanance that I think most could live with. Kevin O. PS. From my own experience. Originally my wife said "No way. No bees in my backyard". Well after about a year now she has completely changed her mind. I have two hives about 30' from the back of my house. Surrounding these two hives I placed some lattice about 5 feet high. As a previous responder mentioned -- once the bees depart the hive they fly high. Usually they fly above treetop level. A lattice or shrub wall can be used to get the bees above head level. Once the bees are above head level you don't have to worry. And also, like a previous poster mentioned, my wife was confusing the aggressive yellow jacket with honey bees. If the bees are after food, especially meat, chances are they are yellow jackets. ==========Peter Wainwright, 8/5/95========== Hello, I saw this newsgroup on the net and am hoping you can be of assistance. I'm a Councillor for the Town of Sidney, British Columbia, Canada. We are a small city with a population of about 11,000 and an area of about 2 square miles located on the coast of Vancouver Island near Victoria. There have been several complaints from the neighbors of one particular beekeeper in town who is on a single family lot on in a relatively dense part of town and just across the road from a school. My understanding is that the individual involved does not exercise "good practice" with his beekeeping. Municipal staff looked into the complaints and recommended to Council that we consider banning beekeeping within the town. Banning beekeeping would certainly solve the problem, but is unfair to those who are "good" beekeepers and not causing their neighbors any trouble. It does seem reasonable that adopt some kind of bylaw to protect our residents from this kind of nuissance. At the same time, it would be nice if the bylaw was fair to those not causing any problems. Lastly, to be of any practical value, the bylaw would have to be enforcable, i.e., it has to be reasonably straightforward and not unreasonably expensive to take action about a problem. I am hoping that some of you out there know some examples of "good" bylaws that meet these criteria. Ideally, I'd like to hear about other jurisdictions in British Columbia, but I'm open to any and all ideas. Please write to me at UQR=&8P7&%N#(V.#!<='@T,#(P7'1X-3,V,%QT>#8W,C!< M='@X,#8P7'1X.30P,%QT>#$P-S0P7'1X,3(P.#!<='@Q,S0T,%QF,%QB,%QI M,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R.%QF8S%<8V8Q(%P*"4%T=&5N=&EO;B!!<&EA&%N="`U,"!F'1R86-T;W(L M(%P*,2`@("`@("`@("`@-34@9V%L+B!S=6UP('1A;FLL7`HQ("`@("`@("`@ M("`Q(#$O-"(@:&]N97D@<'5M<"!W+R!P:7!E+"!<"C$@("`@("`@("`@(#<@ M9')U;2!H;VYE>2!T86YK('2!B;W1T;&EN9R!H96%T97(@7`HQ("`@("`@ M("`@("`S,#`@;&(N(&)O='1L:6YG('1A;FLL(%P*,2`@("`@("`@("`@9')U M;2!H86YD('1R=6-K+"!P;'5S(&UI&5S+"!T;W!S+"!B;W1T;VUS+"!E=&,N7`H*7'!A#,T-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT M>#$P,S8X7'1X,3$U,C!<9F,Q7&-F,2!<"@E)(&%M(&%S:VEN9R`D,3$L,#`P M(&]R(&)E2!S;VXGFrom akerson@clark.net Mon Aug 14 13:47:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not -for-mail From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HoneyBeer Product Review Date: 10 Aug 1995 10:51:52 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <40coc8$46m@clarknet.clark.net> References: <1098163894@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Hi ... over in rec.crafts.brewing there are dozens of recipies... Basically, make your wort by whatever method you choose - extract cans, all grain mash, etc. Just add a pound or two of honey towards the end of the boil. Libby Goldstein (libby@igc.apc.org) wrote: : Hey Andy, : : How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own? : : Libby -- I've got a powerful system of laser beams in one eyeball thats coloured green. -P >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail-8/95 Date: 10 Aug 1995 13:33:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 186 Message-ID: <40d1qs$gui@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf ===================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. >From Dr Pamela Munn, Editor Bee World **August/1995** ===================================================== ********************* Magic bullets ********************* I came across an interesting paper this month amongst a pile of scanning that materialized on my desk, which prompted me to find out more. It appears that bees are proving to be effective carriers of biocontrol agents. Studies are being carried out to discover how honey bees can be used to spread beneficial bacteria and viruses to crops and orchards, where they come into contact with pest organisms. The pests are not entirely killed off, but reduced to such a level that is not economically damaging. The standard method of controlling pests is of course spraying, resulting in large quantities of pesticides being spread into the environment. Bees are able to target the crops very specifically avoiding this problem. Examples of this type of bio control include fire blight, a serious pest of orchard fruits such as apple and pear. It is caused by Erwinia amylovora. Johnson et al*. have been testing the ability of honey bees to disperse the bacteria Pseudomonas fluorescens, which is antagonistic to E. amylovora, to apple and pear blossoms. They attached pollen inserts to each hive, forcing the bees to walk through a freeze-dried preparation of the bacteria as they left the hive. Another group* working on fire blight control used P. fluorescens and E. herbicola in their study. They found that 92% of the apple flowers in a 2.6-ha orchard were inoculated with E. herbicola. Both studies concluded that honey bees are efficient vectors of fire blight pathogens. Peng et al*. have looked at controlling the strawberry pest, Botrytis cinerea. They have developed a dispenser to fit in the hive, which contaminates bees with either corn meal or a mixture of corn meal and talc, inoculated with Gliocladium roseum. They found that the amount of G. roseum on flowers treated using honey bees was higher and more stable than sprayed plants, and effectively suppressed B. cinerea on both flowers and fruit. More recently, workers in Georgia, USA*, have reported work on using honey bees to spread the Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis virus (HNPV) into fields of clover to control Lepidopteran larvae, such as Helicoverpa zea and Heliothis virescens. Bees are already being used commercially to pollinate crops and it seems a logical step forward if they can also be used to control pests. So far, work has concentrated on honey bees, but many economically valuable crops are grown in greenhouses, where honey bees are not useful, or are more effectively pollinated by other bees, such as bumble bees. It would be an interesting development if these bees proved as effective biocontrol vectors. Work is still in the early stages of development, and the extent to which it proves useful will depend greatly on an improved understanding of the interrelationships between the bees and the plants they forage on, and their target pests. Further reading: 1. GROSS, H; HAMM, J J; CARPENTER, J E (1994) Design and applicaiton of a hive mounted device that uses honey bees (Hym: Apidea) to disseminate Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis viruses. Environmental Entomology 23(2): 492-501. 2. JOHNSON, K B; STOCKWELL, V O; BURGETT, D M; SUGAR, D; LOPER, J E (1993) dispersal of erwinia amylovora and pseudomonas fluorescens by honey bees from hives to apple and pear blossoms. Phytopathology 83(50: 478-484. 3. PENG, G; SUTTON, J C; KEVAN, P G (1992) Effectiveness of honey bees for applying the biocontrol agent Gliocladium roseum to strawberry flowers to suppress Botrytis cinerea. Canadian Journal of Plant Pathology 14(2): 117-129. 4. THOMSON, S V; HANSEN, D R; FLINT, K M; VANDENBERG, J D (1992) Dissemination of bacteria antagonistic to Erwinia amylovora by honey bees. Plant Disease 76(10): 1052-1056. ********************** Meetings coming up ********************** Black Bee Symposium 1995 8-10 September 1995, in Norway This conference will focus on conserving the European black bee. Registration details are available from the organizers: Flekkefjord Landsbrukskontoret Kirkegata 52 N-4400 Flekkefjord Norway Fax: (+47) 38 32 44 56 ////////////////////////////// American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists 28th Annual meeting 10-14 October 1995, Ottawa, Canada Details are available from: SA Jarzen AASP 28 Canadian Museum of Nature PO Box 3443, Station D Ottawa K1P 6P4 Canada E.mail: sjarzen@mus-nature.ca ////////////////////////// International Conference on bee products: properties, applications and apitherapy 26-30 March 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel Contact: Dan Knassim Ltd PO Box 57005 Tel Aviv 61570 Israel Fax: 972 3 6133341 //////////////////// 7th International Symposium on Pollination: from theory to practice 23-28 June 1996, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada The International Commission for Plant-Bee Relationships is holding its 7th international symposium at the University of Lethbridge. The second circular will be available in October from: Ken Richards Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Lethbridge Research Centre Lethbridge Alberta T1J 4B1 Canada E.mail: richards@abrsle.agr.ca //////////////////////////// Look out in the next B.mail for more information on IBRA's 6th International Conference on Tropical Bees; management and diversity. //////////////////////////// *************************** Bee Scientists honoured *************************** The achievements of two well known bee scientists have been recognized in the honour lists of their respective countries. Professor John Free, UK, was honoured in the Queen's Birthday Honours List with the award of Commander of St Michael and St George for services to beekeeping worldwide. Professor Free has a long and distinguished career in both pure and applied research on honey bees. Dr Peter Molan of the University of Waikato, New Zealand, has been awarded an MBE in that country's June honour's list for services to the honey industry. For many years he has worked on the antibiotic properties of honey and wrote an extensive review on this subject for Bee World in 1992. (Available as a reprint from IBRA, price #4.00 plus postage and packing). Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? >From m12345@cybernet.co.nz Mon Aug 14 13:47:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net !wupost!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!infinity.cybernet.co.nz!usenet From: m12345@cybernet.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have a Bee problem Date: 10 Aug 1995 01:09:12 GMT Organization: CyberNet Ltd, Auckland Lines: 7 Message-ID: <40bm7o$ckj@infinity.cybernet.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mhorsnell.cybernet.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) please call a beekeeper in your local area and get him to come & take them away. they don't deserve to die & he will be able to give them a good home. alternatively, here in nz, the ministry of agriculture will even come & take them away for u. see if u have a similar public service in your area. >From pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.alt.net!pbarney From: pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com (Peter Barney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [Q] Is there a FAQ? Date: 10 Aug 1995 07:15:54 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Lines: 15 Message-ID: <40cbna$fih@tofu.alt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: norden1.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, everyone. I'm posting this message on behalf of my girlfriend, who wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the purpose of harvesting honey (is there another reason?). So, is there a faq for this group? If not, could you recommend reading materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance! PS, please email your replies. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Barney | pbarney@norden1.com | Voice (419) 478-9845 | Do or do not ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HoneyBeer Product Review Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 08:39:58 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <173F679E3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1098163894@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article Libby Goldstein writes: > >How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own? > >Libby There is a good recipe for honey beer in ABJ within the past two or three months. There is also a good recipe in Papazian's _New_Complete_Joy_of_Homebrewing_. Both recipes use only a small amount of honey in the brew. Off the top of my head, Papazians recipe for 5 gallons of brew contains 3 1/2 pounds light dried malt extract, 1 1/2 oz Cascade boiling hops, 1/2 oz Cascade finishing hops, and only 2 lbs of honey (I usually use closer to a full quart (3 lbs)). Lager yeast is recommended. Final product is crisp and refreshing, although the taste of honey is not very evident. It was a hit at my beekeepers' association summer picnic where a representative of the Nat. Honey Board pointed out that even though there is only a small amount of honey in the product, if there are tens or hundreds of thousands of these products produced, the small amount of honey in each product adds up to A LOT of honey. So, relax, don't worry, and enjoy a honeybrew! Aaron Morris - Thinking it's too early in the AM to be thinking about beer! >From wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 14 13:47:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virgi nia.EDU!wfs2z From: wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William F. Shaw) Subject: Re: Honey and Bee History query X-Nntp-Posting-Host: poe.acc.virginia.edu Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: uva References: <950804205858469@beenet.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:59:10 GMT Lines: 31 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com writes: > ... > senses and were easily defeated by the Heptakometes. The source of this > toxic honey in the Middle East is probably Rhondodendron ponticum, although > R. luteum could also be a source. A good reference to the toxic honey of > ... > from the 1940's and 1960's. The most recent report is the one we found > here in Virginia. A beekeeper became violently ill after comsuming some > honey from his hives and ended up spending 6 days in the local hospital. > ... subsequently analyzed the honey. We found two grayanotoxins (primarily > nerve toxins that lead to a prolonged depolarization of the nerve) in the > honey in sufficient levels to cause very serious medical problems. Based > on the time of year, the area in which the honey was made, and the toxins, > we believe the source was Kalmia latifolia (Mountain laurel). This type of > toxic honey is not common but seems to be reported once about every 20 or > 30 years... Swell. I just brought in my first good honey harvest ever after years of keeping 1-2 hives, and now I wonder if I'll be poisoning my kids. How do I tell if I should supply only my friends or only my enemies? OK, I'll bite: How do I convince my bees to not gather from the mountain laurel around my place? Is K. latifolia (and Rhododendron, for that matter) at all toxic to the bees? Do beekeepers need to worry if there's much or any mountain laurel around? Any practical way to test for the toxin? I don't recall honeybees paying much attention to our profusely blooming mountain laurel...Do they have sense enough not to gather its nectar and pollen? Is the pollen toxic? >From pollinator@aol.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne wstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a FAQ? Date: 10 Aug 1995 12:17:44 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 41 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <40dbf8$11g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <40cbna$fih@tofu.alt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader >Subject: [Q] Is there a FAQ? >From: pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com (Peter Barney) >Date: 10 Aug 1995 07:15:54 GMT > >Hello, everyone. I'm posting this message on behalf of my >girlfriend, who >wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the >purpose >of harvesting honey (is there another reason?). I keep honeybees as a commercial beekeeper (almost) exclusively for crop pollination service. The farmers must have bees, so they pay me for the service of supplying them to their crops while blooming. "If your melon is sweet, the farmer got bees from me; if it isn't sweet, he didn't." >So, is there a faq for this group? If not, could you recommend reading materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction? I highly recommend a subscription to Bee Culture for beginners. It is jammed with all kinds of info, as well as ads for bee equipment, queens, bees, etc. You can get info from If you are in the USA (always a good idea on a beekeeping post to let folks know where you are) you should check with your county extension agent, who should have some materials, and more important, will point you to local clubs, which exist in most places. Any decent sized library should have some basic beekeeping books, though they will likely not have anything on current situations such as varroa mites, which you MUST control, or you won't be keeping bees long . There are several FAQ's around, one can be gotten from Adam Finkelstein I think he keeps the most up-to-date one. If you have pollination questions, you can e-mail me. That is my livelihood, so I should know a little. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathwork s.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I WANT BEES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 07:53:40 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <173F76F07S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <40bf8e$1kc@news.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <40bf8e$1kc@news.voicenet.com> blowry@omni.voicenet.com writes: > >The best time to start a hive is early June (in the northern hemisphere). > JUNE?!? You've missed 6 week of build up time! In upstate New York I request package delivery around tax date (April 15), which is also about the time I start splits. Waiting 'till June guarantees there will be no honey harvested until the following year. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Mon Aug 14 13:48:02 EDT 1995 Article: 2442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ga tech!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net !line126.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have a Bee problem Date: 11 Aug 1995 04:30:51 GMT Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line126.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ First of all, do you know honey bees, and are you sure these are bees and not yellow jackets or wasps of some type. Wasps and yellow jackets will destroy your gyproc walls, so suggest you get rid of them pronto. Short of tearing off the house siding and getting the nest out that way, which is a sure way to get stung too, there is no real solution other than insecticide or some thing else that will kill them. You might try standing at the door with your vacuum hose held up to the spot where they are going in, and just suck them up. It might take a couple of hours, and cost a bit of electricty. Trouble is you won't likely get the queen, or the workers which will just keep right on producing. Queen honey bees can lay up to 2000 eggs per day, so you know what your fighting. Wasps aren't so productive, but they can have quite large populations by this time of year. So, if you want to keep it short, no insecticides means a vacuum cleaner, then a disposal problem. Most of the insects will die on the way to the bag, but be careful how you approach it. Raid, or a wasp bomb is the next best, maybe the best anyway. So, since you live in Toronto, hello, Hamilton is my home town, but I am now in Vancouver area. I have a sister in the newmarket area, and they are on the net but haven'g figured out how to connect to me. Wondered if you could look up their name for me and see if you can find their address. Brother in law's name is Rick Strongitharm. -- honey is sweeter than wine >From bcollier@i-link.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!bird3.i -link.net!usenet From: Bill Collier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble Bee's - HELP ! Date: 12 Aug 1995 17:31:31 GMT Organization: ILink Ltd Lines: 25 Message-ID: <40iohj$kq2@bird3.i-link.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: austin-1-5.i-link.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I have a number of bumble bees that have set up residence in the attic of a wooden storage building behind my house. I know this is a news group for bee keeping, but I need advice on how to find a new location for the bees or any suggestions on where to go for help. The ceiling of the building is a thin plastic sheet under bats of insulation. I can not see the bees for the insulation, but even a small vibration of the floor will start a loud buzzing over head. I am afraid they will find one of the small holes in the plastic while we are in the building and cut off our path to the door. After disturbing "their" home, we have seen as many as a dozen bumble bees swarming around the rafters out side of the building. No one wants to get stung. If I had not had heart surgery and did not use medication to regulate my heart beat, I would not be as worried about the bees. ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT TO DO OR WHO TO CONTACT WOULD BE APPRECIATED ! Thanks in advance, Bill Collier >From Greeneg@pixi.com Mon Aug 14 13:48:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!usenet From: Gordon Greene Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 13 Aug 1995 06:59:06 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla22.pixi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first assistance rendered. >From trhan@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!ne ws.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!shiva2.cac.washington.edu!trhan From: Teri Rhan {FMO} Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 02:10:18 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva2.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> Brushy Mountain 1-800-233-7929 fax 1-910-921-2681 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 So do I win the Guava Jelly?:-) Teri On 13 Aug 1995, Gordon Greene wrote: > There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped > glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee > farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most > likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be > appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first > assistance rendered. > > > > >From ccoplan@infi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com! uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ne ws.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-cornsilk.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More news from Richmond VA Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:01:14 -0400 Organization: ccoplan@infi.net Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-cornsilk.richmond.infi.net Well, I just put my first super on today (for cut comb honey for me) - and was looking to see if I made a mistake or not - (I'm in Richmond VA, just 2 hrs south of Washington DC) I started the hive @ the beginning of June, and as of today, they have filled 2 large hive bodies with brood, pollen, and honey. I can't feed them without putting on my bee suit (they are too busy and or I'm still a wimp), and they have slowed down on the drinking (I'm guessing because their space is full.) I don't plan on feeding them anymore, now that I have the super on top. I guess my question is - am I wasting my time? and will a small patch of buckwheat and other nectar crops (apx 100ft * 200ft) help (or should I put that space to better use - i.e. food crops). Sorry for rambling - any suggestions appreciated. Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net >From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compus erve.com!news From: Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluders and timin Date: 13 Aug 1995 19:25:41 GMT Organization: NextStep Publications Lines: 22 Message-ID: <40ljjl$7hs$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Hi Y'all, I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beekee pers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload every body. Firstly: Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This mornin g, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two s upers I have on top of two brood chambers. I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after two weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared t o be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into al l this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridge Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, s ince there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-July . Two shallow supers beginning of August. Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and t ook the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expect ing surplus honey too late in the season? Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contrib ute. Regards, Charlie -- Charlie >From hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU Mon Aug 14 13:48:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom- beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!hareb From: hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mehdi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: which honey type most exp. in US? Date: 14 Aug 95 04:50:19 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Keywords: honey X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) I have a question - hope you have an answer: Which type of honey is the most expensive here in the US? Mahdiyy >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Aug 14 13:48:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July Honey Markets Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950812174316517@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 44 ---------------------------------------- July Honey Market's Gleaned from several reports: ______________________ (//////////////////////) As more new crop honey is marketed 1995 (//////////////////////) Honey prices hold firm. The market was /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ again topped by white clover honey | Wild Flower! | imported from Argentina landed on the | | East Coast for 71 cents. White clover | _ _ \ / | from Canadian producers was quoted at | | |_| | __ _ \/ | 51 - 66 cents delivered. | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | US NEW Crop Honey was in good demand and | | ranged in price paid producer's for new | Product of LOVE 16oz | crop all sources between 52 and 63 cents. |________________________| The lowest price reported was for Chinese Tallow, normally a darker high moisture honey that is used in the industrial trade. Louisiana Tallow honey was quoted at 47 cents. I suspect this was a aberration as my friend's in Texas who produce much Tallow honey normally get a higher price and Texas extra light amber Brush and light amber Horsemint honey sales are reported at 60 cents. Total crop estimates have not been made yet, but the crop looks good in places and I would not be surprised to see a crop equal or below last years. As always's weather condition's have been good for some and bad for other's, with some northern states having little or no yellow sweet clover bloom this year and are relying on alfalfa bloom, sun flowers, and other plants. Some word's to explain it all; 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 26:5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey Lovers Stick Together >From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom- beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.com puserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 13 Aug 1995 18:49:36 GMT Organization: NextStep Publications Lines: 11 Message-ID: <40lhg0$m5q$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: Hi Teri, Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Inc., 610 Bethany Church Rd., Moravian Falls, NC 2865 4, 1-800-233-7929, fax 1-910-921-2681. Regards, Charlie Fletcher Greensburg, Ky. -- Charlie >From littlejb@emi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!athens!news From: littlejb@emi.net (Jay B. Little) Subject: Re: Queen excluders and timin X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Sender: news@emi.net (Mr News) Organization: The EmiNet Domain, FL (407)731-0291 Message-ID: References: <40ljjl$7hs$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ttycg.emi.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 21:49:36 GMT Lines: 31 Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Hi Y'all, >I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beeke epers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload ever ybody. Firstly: >Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This morni ng, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two supers I have on top of two brood chambers. >I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after tw o weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared to be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. >I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into a ll this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridg e Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, since there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. >How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-Jul y. Two shallow supers beginning of August. >Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and took the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expec ting surplus honey too late in the season? >Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contri bute. >Regards, >Charlie >-- >Charlie Where do you live? Here in South Fla. there is still alot of flowers blooming and we will be getting into Fla. Holly (braziilian pepper in about a month. Jay >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!newsfee d.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 14 Aug 1995 12:43:46 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 16 Message-ID: <40nge2$dff@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Gordon Greene (Greeneg@pixi.com) wrote: : There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped : glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee : farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most : likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be : appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first : assistance rendered. Call them at 800/233-7929 BTW, i've been using these jars (the hexagons, right?) for years - they sell well. Dave >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!h olonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with wasp removal Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <950826151250604@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41n6op$mcg@nntp.igs.net> Lines: 142 S>From: steve@igs.net (Steve Holtzkener) >Subject: Help with wasp removal S>At the Beekeeping Home Page I saw a reference to an article in the hint.index >referenced yellow.jacket How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner 8/94. I >tried to get the article, but the mailer didn't respond. ********* YELLOW JACKET CONTROL Yellow jackets (Vespula spp. - colonial wasps), can pose a severe problem for people when these wasps aggressively seek food. (Remember, though, yellow jackets do pollinate plants, such as squash, and dispose of waste matter and thus are not all bad.) Early in the season meat is preferred; later they focus more on sweets. Normally, they are an annual species, with colonies started in the spring of each year by a single mated and overwintered queen. As the season progresses, nest sizes grow and can contain thousands of individuals by late summer or fall. In mild climates colonies can even overwinter. Effective control measures vary according to the circumstances. 1) At eating areas In a backyard, wasps can be kept under control by diligent use of traps (next section). Public picnic areas, however, have wasps already locked into the readily available food supply (messy previous picnickers). Bring along a fly swatter and eliminate the early arrivals - other wasps are then not recruited. Fortunately, individuals of many yellow jacket species are not aggressive when not near their nest. Wasps do not hesitate to go into soft drink cans or bottles, posing a problem for anyone not paying sufficient attention to their activities before taking another swallow. Neither do they hesitate to ride along on a meat sandwich as it is put into one's mouth. Watch out, also, for wasps attracted to meat covered hands, fingers, or utensils. If one places an effective trap (next section) 20-30 feet upwind from the picnic table, the foraging wasps, when shooed away by picnickers, continue to go upwind past the picnic table and end up in the trap . 2) Remote treatment Yellow jacket bait traps have been used more than a century, with one basic characteristic in design: Wasps will fly into a funnel (sometimes quite small) to get at the bait provided and then cannot get out of the transparent or translucent enclosure that incorporates the funnel. One can buy any variety of ready-made traps with a wide range of effectiveness. The following two companies (among others) have produced successful traps: Seabright Laboratories, 4026 Harlan Street, Emeryville, CA 94608, (800) 284-7363 or (415) 655-3126; Sterling International, Inc., P.O. Box 220, Liberty Lake, WA 99019, (800) 666-6766 [FAX: (509) 928-7313]. These commercial traps can become clogged with yellow jackets in a relatively short time during severe infestations, and then one must remove them. The problem then arises that live wasps may still be inside and pose a threat. In that case, one can place the trap in a freezer or an ice chest, wait until the cold immobilizes them, and then empty the trap. Alternatively, the trap can be placed in a paper or plastic bag just large enough to contain it. One can then spray a very small amount of electronic parts cleaner (e.g., Electric Parts Cleaner, CRC, Warminster, PA 18974; (215) 674-4300; Electric Motor Cleaner, Berryman, Arlington, TX 76011), one that contains 1-1-1 Trichloroethane, into the bag and close tightly for a few minutes. One can also construct a simple and safe trap at virtually no cost - an example follows. Start with a one gallon translucent milk bottle. With a razor blade, cut a couple of small slits downward from one point (three quarter inch across at the bottom), a little more than halfway up the sides. Bend the point so formed inward. Fashion part of a wire coat hanger into a hook at the bottom and thread it through a small hole punctured into the cap so that the hook will be down about halfway to the bottom of the bottle when inserted. Bend the top of the coat hanger piece so that it can be suspended from the lid. Fill the bottle about one-third full of soapy water. Then pierce a small piece of turkey ham, salami, or ham (small enough to go through the bottle opening) with the hook and put the lid, hook, and meat in place in the bottle's neck. Hang the bottle in a tree or bush upwind from the area where wasps are not wanted. You might also dig a hole and place the bottle in the ground so the dowiwind opening is at ground level (wasps often search along the ground for food). If no gallon bottles are available, a one-liter transparent soft drink bottle should suffice. 3) Nest location known (perhaps with more than one entrance) If one knows the location of a ground nesting colony (e.g., Vespula pennsylvanica), the entire colony can be exterminated quite easily by using nothing more than soapy water. Take care, though, because these wasps are highly defensive of their nest, usually allowing one to get no closer than about 10 feet before attacking. Some people prefer to treat the colony at dawn or late evening, when activity at the entrance is less than in mid-day. Fill an adjustable nozzle spray bottle with water, add one level tablespoon of liquid detergent, and shake. Set the spray nozzle on stream, approach >from downwind (also from downslope or protected by bushes, if possible), and spray wasps (guards as well as departing and returning individuals) at the nest entrance as fast as possible from a distance of 10-15 feet (practice at a target first to improve aim). Wear full protection, including a beekeeper hat and veil, if possible. Once all activity at the entrance has ceased, pour a bucket of soapy water into the ground through one of the entrances and block all entrances with a shovelful or two of dirt. 4) A take home poison When wasp infestations become severe, you may wish to use stronger measures. To reduce their numbers, one can lace a desired food with poison after yellow jackets become committed to that source of food. With this method, timing and procedure are somewhat critical. Expose marauding wasps to canned cat food, such as a shrimp and tuna mixture. Allow the number of foragers to build up into a "feeding frenzy." Then provide a second dish alongside the first, but one laced with a take home poison. Orthene (20 drops per small can of cat food) or KNOX OUT (trade name for a micro-encapsulated diazinon product; one-half teaspoon per can). Don't attempt to use straight diazinon, or the laced food will be rejected). Adrian M. Wenner Prof. Emeritus (Natural History) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara Santa Barbara, CA 93106 wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 >From 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM Fri Sep 1 01:19:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 27 Aug 1995 03:51:07 GMT Organization: Headline Printing Lines: 15 Message-ID: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20411 sci.agriculture:6450 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2548 alt.agriculture.misc:3804 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7766 I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number one by far...... Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know some ideas. Thanks >From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pip ex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mai l From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!.....I Need a Queen! Date: 27 Aug 1995 10:00:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 72 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <41ptqa$604@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <41b4pa$9e7@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <41b4pa$9e7@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal writes: >Subject: Help!.....I Need a Queen! >From: Nate Saal >Date: 21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT > >My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace >her. Looks like >as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my >replacement queen >didn't take. > >Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping >queens? I know it's >late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it. > >I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then >requeening in hopes >that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive. Any other >suggestions for >ridding a hive of laying workers??? > > >Subject: Help!.....I Need a Queen! >From: Nate Saal >Date: 21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT > >My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace >her. Looks like >as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my >replacement queen >didn't take. > >Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping >queens? I know it's >late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it. > >I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then >requeening in hopes >that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive. Any other >suggestions for >ridding a hive of laying workers??? Once you have laying workers, it is extremely difficult to get a new queen accepted. It has already failed once, why waste another queen. If you can get a nuc from another beekeeper, it is about your last hope of getting the hive off and going for this season. A nuc is a laying queen with 3-5 frames of brood and workers. This will provide the young bees that your hive needs to get back in balance. Right now, all your bees are old, and, even if you could get a queen established, you will go into winter with very poor chances of survival. If you can't find a nuc available locally, it might be best to just hang it up for this season, and try again next spring. It is always a good idea to keep more than one hive. I always recommend a minimum of two. Then when your hive became queenless, you could have supplied a frame or two of brood, as you introduced your queen. That would greatly increase chances of acceptance, as you would have young bees hatching around her, and caring for her. Most of the larger queen breeders who advertise in bee magazines ship fall queens. They are normally used for requeening good hives on a scheduled basis. Commercial beekeepers would normally combine queenless hives back with a good hive, as requeening is almost sure to fail, this late. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From mzee@pi.net Fri Sep 1 01:19:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!new s.pi.net!news From: mzee@pi.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,alt.sustainab le.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 11:54:50 PDT Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: goe40.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2550 sci.agriculture:6469 misc.rural:20446 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7774 alt.agriculture.misc:3810 In article <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Path: news.pi.net!news.sara.nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tan k.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserv e.com!news > From: Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> > Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agriculture.misc,alt. sustainable.agriculture > Subject: Agriculture feature ideas > Date: 27 Aug 1995 03:51:07 GMT > Organization: Headline Printing > Lines: 15 > Message-ID: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> > Xref: news.pi.net misc.rural:2748 sci.agriculture:1858 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:754 alt.agriculture.misc:1309 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1231 > > I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > one by far...... > Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at > what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest > townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues > including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' > tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and > shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. > Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could > tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the > farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know > some ideas. > > Thanks > More and more we see in Holland dairy farmers who install a milkingrobot They say it is more animal friendly than the milking with the machine. With the robot the cow can come up till six times a day to the milkingplace Espcially with fresh calfed cows that produce more than 40 liters a day it is a reliefe for the cows to be able to drain their milk several times a day. Although a robot seems in the first place very distant from relation human/animal the practical work as such is much better than 2 times milking a day., >From merasa@peg.apc.org Fri Sep 1 01:19:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!news From: Matt Eliason & Robyn Ayles Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 28 Aug 1995 11:46:26 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 29 Message-ID: <41saai$136@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v15.dialup.peg.apc.org Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20448 sci.agriculture:6470 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2551 alt.agriculture.misc:3811 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7775 Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > > I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > one by far...... > Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at > what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest > townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues > including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' > tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and > shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. > Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could > tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the > farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know > some ideas. > > Thanks where do you want to start??? emu/ostrich farming, cost benefits effects of the el nino on New Zealand weather alternaive farming ideas, ie trout in farm ponds alternative marketing techniques for livestock/wool ie futures oldest tractors still working in district etc etc etc hope that helps ME >From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Sep 1 01:19:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!comp.vu w.ac.nz!waikato!midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug.co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Terry Gosset) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Zealand Honey...anyone know? Date: 27 Aug 1995 17:19:26 GMT Organization: Grey Lynn Housing Trust Lines: 19 Message-ID: <41q9eu$5q6@newsource.ihug.co.nz> References: <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2-08.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, steelace@ix.netcom.com (Kevin Kr ebs) says: > >Hello, > Just wanted to ask if anyone has had any experience with >Manuka Honey from New Zealand. If you know what I am talking about and >where I can get it (with the active ingredient), please E-mail me ASAP. > I am trying different types of Honey for medicinal purposes. I am >interested even if you just have the manufacturers name, address, or >what store the honey can be bought at. > >Thanks in advance. >SteelAce@ix.netcom.com >Kevin Krebs > > I know a little about N.Z. honey and nectar sources. Please e-mail to glhat @ihug.co.nz.if you want supplies. Regards, Terry Gosset >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep 1 01:19:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!use net From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Honey Container Price Date: 28 Aug 1995 14:15:35 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 18 Message-ID: <41sj27$djm@news.sandia.gov> References: <41i0ti$oh6@ne ws.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) OOP's I did give the incorrect case price for the clam shell boxes. Mann Lake has two types of boxes. The fancy boxes with separate lids are 50 cents each or $48 for case of 96. The clam shell boxes are 19 cents each or $50 for case of 300. You mentioned that the dimensions are different for the two types. I have only used the clamshell type and comb honey from shallow supers fits nicely. I'm glad you had a good experience dealing with Mann Lake. I have been using th em for three years now and have never had a problem. Victor C. Rimkus Albuquerque NM vcrimku@sandia.gov >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 1 01:19:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com! news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 07:54:49 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <174086F50S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <41ghbf$7qc@calvino.alaska.net> <41hotj$vgl@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <41mi ik$kru@calvino.alaska.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <41miik$kru@calvino.alaska.net> muskrat central writes: > >I really would like to kill the little suckers.... > The outside entrance where they come in is right outside my >front door. It makes it hard for us to come and go. I can't get to the >nest because there is no way in to the attic. >Tony > Tony! I've posted this to this and other bee related lists MANY(!) times and I'm always amazed that people will try this bug bomb or that gasoline trick when a very good and effective solution is probably in their closet at home. Give the following a shot. IT REALLY WORKS!!! >---------- ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS -----------< A very benign, green, environmentally friendly and frugal way to get rid of yellow jackets is to use a canister style vacuum cleaner (like a shop vax or electrolux). Simply place the hose next to the nest entrance on a nice afternoon and leave it turned on for a couple of hours. As the yellow jackets come and go they get sucked into the vacuum. No mess, no pesticides, and it works! I learned this trick from a neighbor who paid an exterminator $50 to remove a nest of yellow jackets from their exterior walls. Of course you don't want to open the vacuum for a day or two. I assume the wasps die rather quickly with the dust and dirt in the vacuum, but I've never opened the vacuum to find out. I have used this method four times without a single problem and much to the amusement of passers by! I prefer to avoid pesticides whenever possible. Be sure to change the bag in a day or two, as the decaying yellow jackets are not something you want to leave in your vacuum. >----------------< Good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Fri Sep 1 01:19:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Eva n_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets Date: 28 Aug 1995 03:32:42 GMT Message-ID: <209579998.10881104@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 28 Tony A simple trap my parents have used successfully for removing a few yellow jackets at a party might work. You have to hope most or all the the foragers fall into the trap. So there aren't any left to raise young. Take a Quart Jar, make a cone out of window screen material with the tip of the cone facing down. Inside the jar, put something yellow jackets eat. MEAT. The scent will attract them and they will enter the large part of the cone, crawl through the small opening deep within the jar, grab some meat and fly up to the rim. The never think to crawl down to the opening where they came in. With a large nest, use several jars. Dispose of by tossing the jars in the freezer overnight, throwout the yellow jackets and repeat. I don't know if this will work but it may decimate the nest and there is almost NO danger to you! I think that's what you may find to be the best part of this plan Good Luck Evan 17808 Bonney Lk BLVD Bonney Lk WA USA >From kniemann@canetoad Fri Sep 1 01:19:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pa cbell.com!gw2.att.com!nntpa!bigtop!canetoad!kniemann From: kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) Subject: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Message-ID: Sender: news@bigtop.dr.att.com (Netnews Administration Login) Nntp-Posting-Host: canetoad Organization: AT&T X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:59:05 GMT Lines: 28 I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I got to wondering.... Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the nectar. Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and over until it is not a flower any more ? Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until they are fertilized ? I understand that if you look at a flower in the UV spectrum that it has patterns on it that look like runways or directional arrows pointing inward. Presumably these are to attract and direct pollinators. Do these markings change over time ? Are there any physical changes to the flower when pollination has occured ? Enough questions. Time to go home and walk among my squash. All the Best Karl -- >From camschel@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!n etnews From: camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pure source of nectar; caged bees Date: 29 Aug 1995 03:34:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <41u1rq$d60@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sd6-06.ix.netcom.com In American Bee Journal of 9/95 there is an article from the men at Michigan State University entomology department about how they kept working at the idea of confining a colony of bees over a particular variety of plant so that they bees could only forage on that plant. Their initial efforts and incorrect assumptions and problems with lack of pollen and with insufficient food for the bees, etc. is all very interesting, and they deserve commendation for a well-written article and for following up on a fascinating idea. >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Sep 1 01:19:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!u senet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!n crgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Copper Napthenate Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:12:34 GMT Lines: 12 I am interested in using Copper Napthenate rather than painting my hives but need to learn more about it. Will the Napthenate bother the bees if the brood champer is soaked in the liquid prior to the introduction of the bees? Can I use the napthenate instead of painting the hives? Is there any problem using honey supers dipped in Napthenate? How long should the wood be soaked in the Napthenate? I am looking for a cheaper solution than painting my hives but am not sure if Copper Napthenate is it. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") Subject: Re: Weights & Measures in the UK Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange X-Newsreader: PowWow References: <1995Aug25.180900.9647@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:48:30 GMT Lines: 12 > Of course, this is all completely insane. Selling 454g quantities of > honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication. :-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I could just write over the label with a felt tip pen. None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going on. Mike >From rogersda@direct.ca Fri Sep 1 01:20:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet From: rogersda@direct.ca (david rogers) Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Ag feature ideas : 18Hr Day = More Milk Date: 29 Aug 1995 01:28:46 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <41tqge$31m@grid.Direct.CA> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.174.243.169 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20503 sci.agriculture:6494 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2560 alt.agriculture.misc:3814 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7795 In article <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Mary Anne Gill <1002 31.2502@CompuServe.COM> says: > >I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper >in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number >one by far...... > It will cost you the trade off for free exchange of information, is that O.K.? I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day length to 18 hours. If you are interested will send more. I am always scouting for new articles in Ag. hope we can trade across the Big P for Pacific. Sincerely, David. >From P.Wright@ed.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:02 EDT 1995 Article: 2561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!festival!news From: Peter Wright Subject: Re: Bee Hives References: <4159o7$6s@news1.usa.pipeline.com> <809396636snz@alkham.demon.co.uk > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) Message-ID: X-Url: news:809396636snz@alkham.demon.co.uk Sender: news@festival.ed.ac.uk (remote news read deamon) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:10:43 GMT Lines: 8 It is no 'tradition' but based on the very sound basis that bees learn the location of their home, and will (within the summer period) return to that home base if removed within 2 miles of the home site. If you don't believe this, try moving a hive 20 feet and leaving an empty brood box on the original site...it will fill with all the foraging bees from your colony! >From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Sep 1 01:20:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.e du!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Date: 29 Aug 1995 11:58:51 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <41uvdr$eb7@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] 131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300 (kniemann@canetoad) wrote: : I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I : got to wondering.... Not sure what article you were quoting. Please cite reference. : Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? : If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the : nectar. Two things a honeybee goes after in a flower nectar and POLLEN. How well a flower is pollinated depends usually on multiple visits to the flower. : Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was : depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they : do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and : over until it is not a flower any more ? : Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until : they are fertilized ? Cucurbits are poor sources of nectar and commercial pollinators in our area have to feed in order that the bees don't starve. I have yet to see anyone market cucumber or squash honey yet an awful lot of bees are used for pollination. Jerry Worrell,Dunkirk MD >From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Date: 29 Aug 1995 09:24:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 68 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <41v4e8$228@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In article , kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) writes: >Subject: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... >From: kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:59:05 GMT > > > I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees >and I got to wondering.... Where did you see the article? We'd like to see it, too. >If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the nectar. Not necessarily. Bees also gather pollen, which is the protein supply, mostly used for brood and the young bees who secrete royal jelly. When bees gather nectar, they may accomplish some pollination, but they do a much better job, when deliberately gathering pollen. Watch the bees work on your squash. If they are gathering nectar, they will extend their tongue and sip, then fly away. If they are gathering pollen, they will *doggie-paddle* through the stamens, to get as much as possible on their own body fuzz. For commercial pollination, we want this. Therefore we use hives that are still building, which have a lot of brood to be fed, thus forcing the bees to gather more pollen. I want to see as much of that brood open as I can get. That means young, vigorous queens, plenty of room to lay, etc. Sometimes we stimulate them by feeding syrup during cucurbit pollination. Squash, cukes, and melons do not produce much nectar. If there are no nectar sources in the neighboring area, the queen may shut down, and pollination value of the hive is lost. For good honey production you manage in order to get the hive to peak population, and shutting down on brood production, just as the flow starts. Pollination management strives to have the hive about two weeks earlier in the cycle, just as the crop starts blooming. >Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? I suspect bees leave odor trails, but I would also hope that wouldn't stop other bees. We want to get the bee into the blossom many times. It takes a lot more than one visit to get a good cuke, or squash. I've seen whole fields of one-visit-type pollination. Cukes are deformed, one end large, other small, some curled, etc. Yellow squash with wrinkled body, not much bigger than the neck. Each seed needs a grain of pollen. Pollination releases the chemicals that make the flesh grow, so we want as many seeds as possible pollinated, to make perfect fruit. If you look at the blossom, you will see that the pollen gets used up. On squash, with plenty of bees, you can see that there is no more pollen, often before noon. If well pollinated, the flowers wilt quicker. If not pollinated, the bloom stays open longer. This quick wilt when pollinators are plentiful, sometimes alarms farmers. Watch a while, and tell me what you see. Pollinator@aol.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From x Fri Sep 1 01:20:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu !news.provo.novell.com!pcslink.orem.novell.com!user From: x (x) Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Ag feature ideas : 18Hr Day = More Milk Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:18:27 -0600 Organization: x Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <41tqge$31m@grid.Dir ect.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcslink.orem.novell.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20523 sci.agriculture:6508 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2564 alt.agriculture.misc:3816 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7803 $65/Cow, for what period of time, each month, biweekly, the whole year? OBTW: How much do dairies get per hundred weight in Canada? Rumor says around $20/hundred, but the local coop's want us to beleave around $10 so they can lower our price so as not to hurt your farmers. I really doubt their concern for Canada's dairies. We have found over a twenty year period how to maintain a heard average between 55 and 61 lbs of milk per day from holstein cattle through the prudent use of adequate pasture, and simple feed while in the dairy of crushed corn, soybean, and minerals. Artificial stimulants or drugs are not used. Geoff Slinker > >I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > >in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > >one by far...... > > > I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an > article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting > in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day > length to 18 hours. > >From pete@dewis.win-uk.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!gwen.pcug.co.uk!kate .ibmpcug.co.uk!dewis!pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <38@dewis.win-uk.net> Reply-To: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete Gray) From: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:34:14 GMT Subject: Wild Colonies Lines: 7 A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an established colony this late in the season, How do I go about transferring it to a hive? Is it even worth attempting? Pete >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep 1 01:20:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pip ex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colonies Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:07:32 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 27 Message-ID: <421rb4$mda@news.sandia.gov> References: <38@dewis.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) >A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a >colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an >established colony this late in the season, >How do I go about transferring it to a hive? >Is it even worth attempting? > Pete, Is the colony of bees inside the tree or have they made comb on the outside? I just cut a section of bee tree this weekend and placed it by my apiary. I will not cut int o it until next spring since I do not believe they will have time to build up before winter. I used a stethescope to listed and determine where the bees were inside. Then I cut abov e and below the occupied area. I had to take it now because the area was being cleared for a ho use to be built. If there wasn't a now or never situation I would have left it for the spring. If the colony was on the outside (hanging under a branch) I would have collecte d them and started them in a hive with comb for a couple of weeks then combined them with an existing hive. If they are inside, wait until spring. If they are outside, and you have a hive to combine them with, catch them now. If you decide that they should be captured now, email the details and I will be glad to help. vcrimku@sandia.gov, Victor C. Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM USA > >From john@musicman.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in2.uu.net!recepsen.aa.msen.com!not-for-mail From: John Green Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Bk FS Date: 30 Aug 1995 11:08:25 -0400 Organization: musicman.com Lines: 12 Sender: johng@conch.aa.msen.com Message-ID: <421ut9$ieq@conch.aa.msen.com> Reply-To: john@musicman.com NNTP-Posting-Host: conch.aa.msen.com Beekeeping Bk FS Root, A.I. The ABC and XYX of Bee Culture: An encyclopedia pertaining to scientific and practical culture of bees. Medina, Ohio: A.I. Root, 1978; 37th edition. Hard cover with embossed bee and type in gold on spine and front cover, 723 pages, index, glossary, illustrated. Excellent condition. $18 postage included in U.S. reply email john@musicman.com >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee !andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Edward SouthwickWith great sadness, I report to members of the Bee-l Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828618@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 32 originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS *Sad news from the other group.* ---------------------------------------- From: Mary Jo Orzech Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:02:53 EDT Subject: Edward Southwick With great sadness, I report to members of the Bee-l community the death of Edward E. Southwick, last Tues. 8/22/95. Dr. Southwick was a much loved teacher, instructor and friend. He was an internationally recognized bee expert and taught at the State University of New York at Brockport since 1977. Ed was also the founder and co-owner of Bee-l, which was created as a means for bee researchers to communicate and keep in touch around the world. Raised in Midland, Mich., Dr. Southwick held a bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering and a masters degree in biology from the Univ. of Michigan. His doctoral degree was in physiological zoology from Washington State Univerity. Southwick died of pancreatic cancer; he was 52. He is survived by his wife, Alrun Southwick, and two daughters, Stephanie Lisa Southwick of San Antonio, Texas and Antje Southwick of Ann Arbor, Michigan. His passing is an enormous loss to us all. Mary Jo Orzech Academic Computing Services SUNY Brockport Brockport, Ny 14420 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee !andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dance controversy Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828619@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 97 *FYI* ripped off the b-list. From: Adrian Wenner Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:46:27 PDT Subject: Re: dance controversy >What is the current consensus on the "waggle dance" controversy? I thought >that the robot bee work reported in National Geographic a few years ago had >proved Von Frisch correct but I came across a recent book by Wenner and >Wells still arguing in favour of the odour hypothesis. No, from our perspective, the "robot bee" did not settle the issue, as reviewed in one of our papers (1991 Wenner, A.M., D. Meade, and L. J. Friesen. Recruitment, search behavior, and flight ranges of honey bees. American Zoologist. 31(6):768-782). Those who would focus on experiments with odor transport downwind from food sources and hive placement have a strong future for obtaining rewarding results. Next month I will be presenting the following abstract at the AMERICAN BEE RESEARCH CONFERENCE in Georgia (one that will be published in the December issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL): --DRAFT-- ********* A recent claim (Webster & Caron, Bee Culture 123:403-406): "The evidence for dance language is strong," ignored 13 salient points published 21 years earlier in the same publication (Wells & Wenner, Gleanings in Bee Culture 102:110-111,127). I update and expand upon those points here. The dance maneuver information is not sufficiently accurate to account for supportive experimental results obtained by language proponents; rather, the experimental designs used apparently funnel recruits into "intended" sites. Von Frisch recognized in 1937 (Wenner, with von Frisch, Bee World 74:90-98) - that one gets no recruits with no odor. However, von Frisch (and others at the time) failed to perceive that his 1940s experiments lacked necessary controls against odor influencing results; later, his results did not survive tests in double-controlled and strong inference experiments. Only by using odor in single controlled experiments can one obtain supportive results; thus, one can no longer justifiably explain "positive" results with an uncritical assumption of "language." Recruit search behavior is remarkably inefficient. Most recruits require several flights out from the hive before locating the target food source, are in the air many times longer than necessary for a direct flight, and succeed only rarely unless one provides sufficient odor at the site. One can easily see that recruits always fly zigzag into a target site from far downwind (binoculars help). If an array of stations is provided, recruits end up near the center of all - although a slight wind blowing along a line of stations can alter an expected distribution. Despite dancing, recruitment more than 400m downwind from a hive is negligible unless many foragers make round trips and thereby provide an aerial pathway of odor. Crop-attached bees require no dancing for re-recruitment; they will immediately return to their foraging area on the basis of an odor stimulus alone. New recruits, by contrast, do not begin arriving in quantity until almost an hour after foragers begin regular trips and increase in frequency per unit time even if the number of dancing bees is held constant. Recruit success is thus dependent more upon the cumulative number of forager trips (with time and with odor accumulation in the hive) than upon the number of foragers involved. Success rate depends upon odor concentration but not upon Nasonov gland secretions at the food source or upon dance frequency in the hive. Finally, recruits attending disoriented dances (dances without direction information) can still find the "correct" site in the field. No one seems to dispute the above known facts, so clearly researchers have grossly neglected the role of odor in honey bee recruitment. Furthermore, no one seems willing to provide a concise scientific statement of the language hypothesis, one that can accommodate all known facts. For those who wish to understand foraging ecology, an increased emphasis on the role of odor in honey bee recruitment should be very rewarding. One can find a quite complete 1990 summary of most of the above points (Wenner & Wells, Anatomy of a Controversy: The Question of a "Language" Among Bees. Columbia University Press) and a brief 1991 exposition elsewhere (Wenner et al., American Zoologist 31:768-782). ******** I feel that one must give more than lip service to the role of odor, since it is a very tangible, measurable, and usable communication channel. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey Lovers Stick Together >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.n achbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis off clothesYou might want to try the cheapest hair spray Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828620@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 27 ou can find at your local originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS *This message is worth saving as it may be the answer to a problem that many beekeepers have faced. How to get bee glue out of your cloths from a bee list poster in Chile. I don't know if it works but it sure sounds like its worth a try. ttul Andy- From: "Marion L.Bristow" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:35:43 CST Subject: Re: propolis off clothes You might want to try the cheapest hair spray you can find at your local drug store . Just spray it on the propolis and soak it in warm water . This works great for ink stains . Marion L.Bristow - Jefe , Seccion Informatica Agriculture Sciences Campus Universidad de Concepcion , Campus Chillan Casilla 537 Chillan , Chile e-mail: mbristow@palomo.chillan.udec.cl --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vote Republican and enjoy living life on the DOLE! >From denniss@solar.sky.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!alpha.sky.net!news From: denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R. Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee sting therapy Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:08:32 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip098.sky.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for Multiple-sclerosis patiients. My friend is doing a paper for college and is trying to find info on this type of therapy. Any help would be appriciated you can post to the group or email me . Thanks Tara email (denniss@solar.sky.net) >From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Fri Sep 1 01:20:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!yuma!bjostad1.agsci.colosta te.edu!user From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee sting therapy Date: 31 Aug 1995 00:46:39 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu In article <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net>, denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R. Schneider) wrote: > Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for > Multiple-sclerosis patiients. My friend is doing a paper for college > and is trying to find info on this type of therapy. Any help would be > appriciated you can post to the group or email me . See Bee Sting Therapy by Glenn Rothfeld, M.D., at http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html ===================================================================== Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu ===================================================================== >From delair@sasknet.sk.ca Fri Sep 1 01:20:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!rover.ucs.ual berta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.sasknet.sk.ca!news From: "Miles E. Jorgenson, P. Eng." Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 31 Aug 1995 06:51:05 GMT Organization: DEL-AIR Systems, Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle14.sasknet.sk.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM X-URL: news:41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20588 sci.agriculture:6535 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2573 alt.agriculture.misc:3825 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7842 You want a firecracker? Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe are running out of room for hogs. They have two choices; get out of the business or move around the globe. North America is a likely welcome spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them. The world eats a pile of pork, I'll tell you. China alone eats close to 25 million tonnes! I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects. "Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new operations. This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home. Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an urban rural problem. >From mzee@pi.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news .nic.surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!news.pi.net!news From: mzee@pi.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,alt.sustainab le.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 13:05:28 PDT Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: goe20.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2574 sci.agriculture:6536 misc.rural:20590 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7843 alt.agriculture.misc:3826 In article <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, writes: > Path: news.pi.net!news.sara.nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.n et!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.sasknet.sk.ca!news > From: "Miles E. Jorgenson, P. Eng." > Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agriculture.misc,alt. sustainable.agriculture > Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas > Date: 31 Aug 1995 06:51:05 GMT > Organization: DEL-AIR Systems, Ltd. > Lines: 16 > Message-ID: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> > References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle14.sasknet.sk.ca > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) > To: 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM > X-URL: news:41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com > Xref: news.pi.net misc.rural:2866 sci.agriculture:1926 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:769 alt.agriculture.misc:1345 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1283 > > You want a firecracker? Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe > are running out of room for hogs. They have two choices; get out of the > business or move around the globe. North America is a likely welcome > spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them. The world eats a > pile of pork, I'll tell you. China alone eats close to 25 million > tonnes! > > I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects. > "Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new > operations. This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or > sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home. > Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an > urban rural problem. > > > > In Holland we have indeed that problem. Local newspapers give an easy ear to all kind of rubbish stories from opposers of the new pigfarmers who move from the dense pig-areas to the open areas of airabele farming in the southwest of the netherlands. But the pigfarmers are forced by the law to build such high sophisticated pighouses that no smell or NH3 will escape. The pigs in there, are better of than 2/3 of the worldpopulation. >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Weights & Measures in the UK Message-ID: <1995Aug31.174954.9135@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <1995Aug25.180900.9647@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:49:54 GMT Lines: 29 In article rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") writes: > >> Of course, this is all completely insane. Selling 454g quantities of >> honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication. > >:-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I >could just write over the label with a felt tip pen. > >None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee >Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going >on. My understanding is that, apart from very small quantities (under about 2oz, I think), the legal situation is as follows: Until this October, honey can only be sold in a number of specified multiples and sub-multiples of 1lb. >From October onwards, honey can only be sold in a number of specified multiples and sub-multiples of 454g. What's the difference? Only the labels. That's why I called the situation insane! -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:39 EDT 1995 Article: 2784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!bertha.ho.ro hmhaas.com!wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com!user From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 07:14:32 -0500 Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net>, broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) wrote: > [deletions] If the primary flower source is named then it can be > expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between > single malt whisky and blended). > >[deletions] > Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out > with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot > pressing? What else do they do to it? > Remember that the bees do quite a bit of blending themselves. They gather >from one particular source until it runs out, then they switch to something else. I'd be hard pressed to identify what flower was the source of any of my honey because we have such a mix in my area (suburban Philadelphia). On bland honey, I had a lovely crop of very light, very mild honey this spring, several shades lighter than normal. I suspect local consumers would consider this a premium honey, even though I personally prefer a darker honey with more flavor...which I'll get from the summer/fall crop. Bottom line: honey is a natural product, and as such is not consistent. The bees themselves can produce honey that is like the supermarket stuff, even without human intervention. (Isn't clover honey the supermarket standard?) They can also produce delightful honeys ranging over several shades, in several assertive flavors. I'll concur in another posting that said, get as close as possible to the producer. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." >From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sun Oct 8 00:42:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Plans - Honey Bottling Equipment Date: 3 Oct 1995 12:27:18 GMT Organization: NSTN Inc. ICS/Windows Dialup User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <44ra77$4ic@Owl.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yarmouth-ts-32.nstn.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 Hi I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater. Does anyone know where I can get plans for one. Either post replay or email to yrh@fox.nstn.ca Thanks >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can bees run out of pollen? Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:08:44 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 29 Message-ID: <44oo8s$c8b@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <4482rp$crd@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.52.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:4482rp$crd@smart1.svi.org Nate Saal wrote: >I know that beekeepers often have to feed thier hives during the winter so >that teh bees do not run out of honey/food, but has anybody ever supply their >hives with pollen? > >I ask because I have a weak hive that is going into the winter (in CA, so >it's on the milder side) and it has very little stored pollen. The hive >had a laying worker for about a month, during which most of the stored >pollen was used and the hive had little incentive to collect more since >their numbers were down and very few laying worker eggs were being laid. > >I dumped the hive and installed a queen and by some miracle, the queen took. >As happy as I am, after looking in the hive I worry why the queen is not >laying more eggs than she is. Could it be that they don't have the pollen >to feed the growing larva? Most of the flowers have bloomed and died, so >that, combined with small population problem, makes me wonder. > >Is this going to be a problem? If so, is there any way to remedy it? > >thanks for the help, > >nate > Yes, substitute pollen patties are available from most bee supply stores and I feel it would be desirable to give it to your hive if= you suspect that their pollen stores will not be adequate for the winter. How ever, the reason the queen is not producing many eggs= is probably because this is the normal season for her to curtail brood product ion until late winter. If the hive is really small, = you may have a problem overwintering it even if the winter is mild. Try combin ing it with another hive, if you have one. >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker fuel / herbs/ bee behaviour Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:04:33 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 14 Message-ID: <44okgh$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <472257775wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk> <44e8c0$sco@tpd.dsccc.com> <44ekqf $ehs@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/44ekqf$ehs@solaris.cc.vt.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > Pine needles from white pine, _Pinus strobus_ are my favorite smoker fuel. > >Adam >-- I absoultely agree. 'Glad to see someone else has such good taste in smoker fuel. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:09:46 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 23 Message-ID: <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk >Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper >who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make >them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom >was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, >which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western >buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. > >Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated. >-- >Michael Smedley Michael, I've heard others tell the same story. They apparently make many pounds of it. Unfortunately, there seems to only be a limited use for it so the supply can greatly outreach the demand. SB *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Raleigh, NC 27695 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:17:39 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 32 Message-ID: <44ol93$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted Fischer wrote: >Yesterday, I set out to one of my yards to put in Apistan strips. I >usually do this about the end of August, but this was an unusually >rushed year, so I didn't get around to it until now. Four weeks ago I >harvested an average of 125 lbs of honey from these 15 very strong hives >(at that time filling three hive bodies plus up to six medium depth >supers). Much to my surprise, six of the colonies had died out, leaving >no bees at all in the hive; seven were extremely weak and most of these >were queenless; only two were what I would call moderate in strength. I >saw many dead and dying bees on the ground in the vicinity of the >beeyard, and can only surmise that the colonies were victims of the >varroa mite. I had always been able to control the mite with timely >applications of Apistan, and so never realized the devastation possible >in so short a time! I am a much sadder (and poorer) but wiser beekeeper >after this experience. Has anyone else seen anything like this happen >so rapidly? (Incidentally, two of the hives showed AFB as well, but I >wonder if this might be a stress response to varroa?) > Been there. Done it. I usually treat about the first of August. I don't know how AFB enters into your equation, too, but Vmites can do it too. Think about it. If no brood successfully hatched out for two months, what would be left. Hives under severe Vmite pressure sometimes abscond or collapse near the end. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 3 Oct 1995 19:14:31 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 25 Message-ID: <44s22n$jso@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk Marjorie Smedley wrote: >jratkay's enquiry about a customer for bee-venom >also interests me. I often work in the Former >Soviet Union (FSU), several visits to Russia and >Kazakhstan this year and to Kyrghyzstan in 1994. >In both republics there is a lot of honey production. > >Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper >who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make >them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom >was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, >which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western >buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. > >Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated. >-- >Michael Smedley There may potentially be a market for bee venom if one were to contact a chemical or biochemical company. For example, I just checked the Sigma Chemical Company listing on the internet and find that their catalog lists several types of bee venom. They do buy from local suppliers, for several years ago I sold a batch of propolis to Sigma. >From Youruserid@tznet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com! tznet.com!Youruserid From: Youruserid@tznet.com (Keith A. Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee keepers in Wisconsin Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:31:14 Organization: Tzone BBS Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.5.31 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am a beekeeper in Wisconsin and am looking for others within the state that have any ideals, comments, and information on the hobby/business >From nickw@wave.co.nz Sun Oct 8 00:42:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne ws1.digital.com!ames!waikato!wave.co.nz!usenet From: Nick Wallingford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ: Where has Sunflora Apiaries gone? Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:18:56 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <44sgd0$arq@Axil.wave.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nickw.wave.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Reg Clark who owns (owned) Sunflora has put it up for sale, I know. I'll find out what is happening and repost to the list. ------------------------------------ Nick Wallingford, President National Beekeepers Assn of NZ nickw@wave.co.nz ------------------------------------ >From Humphrys@edc.org Sun Oct 8 00:42:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.w ellfleet.com!news3.near.net!tristram.edc.org!news From: Michael Humphrys Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Density of Honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 20:34:35 GMT Organization: EDC Lines: 11 Message-ID: <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac138.mactcp10.edc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping#44p4p1$7lk@taco.cc.ncsu.edu Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey? I've checked a number of references, but to no avail. I'll be happy to convert from whatever dimensions you may have this in (lbs per gallon, kg/litre, lbs/cubic inch, lb/oz,... ). Thanks in advance, Michael >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 16:50:33 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 34 Message-ID: <44p58p$7bh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/477@altheim.win-uk.net broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) wrote: >>However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a >jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was >thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it. I wasn't too >worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour. >Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out >with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot >pressing? What else do they do to it? > >What do you guys think? > Brian, I can only speak in generalities, but in the US the trend is for a honey light in color and mild in flavor. It is what sells best probably because it is least objectionable to the majority. If you like strong honey or a specific flavor, purchase from a local beekeeper. Trash in your honey does not mean it is good product though you are probably correct in thinking that it has not be filtered. The definition of cold pressed is open to interpretation, but it may mean that it was not extracted from a comb in the modern method. The comb may have been mechanically destroyed and the honey strained out through a rough strainer. You may also have encountered some heather honey which is very thixiotropic, i.e. it doesn't run very well. Often it doesn't work in modern extractors so the comb is crushed and the honey drains. Buy what you like and from someone you trust. I think store bought honey is quality to the overwhelmingly large extent. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From karen@angelo.amd.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!decwrl!amd!amd.com!angelo!karen From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 21:18:00 GMT Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44pku8$ae1@amdint.amd.com> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: angelo.amd.com rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) writes: >> Sometimes I have the impression that it isn't as >>tasty as it ought to be. The labels seldom give much information about >>the product. If the primary flower source is named then it can be >>expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between >>single malt whisky and blended). >You have hit the nail on the head - "supermarket honey" is (gernerally) >blended - the reason is that the marketing "experts" seem to think that >consumers demand consistent products - they always want the honey to taste >the same when they open the jar (so say the marketing geniuses) - the only >problem is that honey can vary significantly due to variations in nectar >sources. So, the big honey packers (at least in the USA) blend their >honey so that they produce a consistent product, one that is more "marketable >to the masses". Speaking as someone who does a fair amount of cooking with honey, a mild consistent product is just what I want. If I'm eating plain honey, however, I may prefer something more distinctive. One can't argue taste. Karen Black -- karen@angelo.amd.com DoD #250: SR250, GB500, HD Sprint SS250 "If I'm typecast as a genius, who cares?" -- Jeremy Brett, on playing Sherlock Holmes >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Plans - Honey Bottling Equipment Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 01:56:44 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 13 Message-ID: <44sina$5hl@news.iadfw.net> References: <44ra77$4ic@Owl.nstn.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-11.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) wrote: >I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. >It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater Dan, I don't know of any plans for one but the Walter T. Kelly Co. (502-242-2012 in Kentucky) sell a s.s. 'Grocers Tank' that makes an excellant bottling tank for $177. It is a double boiler type design and comes with a heater for that price. I use one with the brass 'self closing honey valve' they make. It works great! Busy Knight Dallas, TX >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!use net From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Costs Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 01:57:17 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44siob$5hl@news.iadfw.net> References: <44qj5v$op5@news.paonline.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-11.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote: > I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of >bees in the US ? Joseph, The followoing three examples are quoted from 1995 price lists. This is a very narrow sample but representive of the prices in the US. Walter T. Kelley (state location: Kentucky) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $22.50 3 pound package of bees with queen = $27.50 Rossman Apiaries (state location: Georgia) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $28.00 3 pound package of bees with queen = $33.00 Weaver Apiaries (state location: Texas) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $29.50 3 pound package of bees with queen = $35.50 All of the above prices are for Italian race bees and for a quantity of one package. The prices reduce a little (but not much) if you order over a quantity of ten. BusyKnight Dallas, Texas >From bente@deakin.edu.au Sun Oct 8 00:42:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: Bente Schjeflo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silicone candle moulds Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:53:24 GMT Organization: Deakin University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc12-slip.ccs-stuw.deakin.edu.au I am an Australian beekeeper looking for a silicone candle mould. The mould is white with inside profiles, and closed off with rubber bands. Many different types exists and I can import them from Denmark (my country of orign.) and >from England. However, I want to import them there to Australia and need to get in contact with the producer. I have an idea that it is a German product and sold under the name 'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA Can anyone help, please. We, my Australian husband and I, are about to requeen. We have ordered queens from Kangooru Island this year and want to make some queen-sisters from them. We are trying to get our Jenter Kit drawn out at the moment. Cape weed and Gorce is flowering and we have not had to feed the bees this winter. regards Bente >From mjensen@crl.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.d igital.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silicone candle moulds Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:32:43 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, Bente Schjeflo wrote: > 'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA > Can anyone help, please. I have made candle molds from a Dow Corning silicone called HS II RTV. It is a two part, white silicon compound that has good durability and flexibility. It is expensive but the molds last forever. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From broldham@altheim.win-uk.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!gwen.pcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!altheim!bro ldham Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <484@altheim.win-uk.net> Reply-To: broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) From: broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:15:03 GMT Subject: Lavender Honey Lines: 25 Following on from my thread about cold pressed honey, I have another tale to tell. BTW I should like to thank Karen and Rick for their helpful comments and advice. Last summer I got hold of one of those tourist leaflets about the lavender fields in Norfolk (England). Now, many years ago I procured a jar of French lavender honey. Sadly, I can't for the life of me remember where I got it. It was very dark in colour, thick, and had a strong and distinctive flavour. So I filled the car with my wife and some petrol and we toddled off to Norfolk intending to come back with half a dozen 2LB jars of lavender honey. Well we found the lavender fields. To be accurate, we found the car and coach parks first - very nearly as big as the lavender fields. We entered the beautifully paved reception area through an arched pergola and found a small tea shoppe and a rustic arty/crafty shoppe and a garden shoppe. I eventually found what I was looking for. The lavender honey. Unfortunately they didn't have 2Lb jars. In fact they only did one size - 4oz pots - the kind you take home as a present for granny. It was all crystallized and lighter in colour than I expected, and the price was more than I usually pay for whole 1Lb of supermarket honey. Needless to say I came home disappointed. Am I naive or what? Brian --- #define Brian broldham@altheim.win-uk.net >From josephj@surf-ici.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!usenet From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Costs Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 05:48:19 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online! [slip/ppp/bbs/NEWSHUB/FTPHUB] Lines: 2 Message-ID: <44qj5v$op5@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.33 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of bees in the US ? >From owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz Sun Oct 8 00:42:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rs nz.govt.nz!user From: owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ: Where has Sunflora Apiaries gone? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 19:34:55 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz I'm looking for Sunflora Apiaries of Blenheim, (New Zealand) who used to supply me with good queens. Phone calls are getting a disconnected signal. Unfortunately directory enquiries doesn't know their new no (if they have one), and I don't have a name. Any clues? ........... Owen Watson ........... >From rshough@tasc.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!us er From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 13:21:31 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>, PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote: [clip] >On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in >thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this >follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most >chemical processes? Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Please bear in mind that I am not a chemist, so my "facts" are certainly open to interpretation! In addition to the hmf content issue, I have heard that heating honey can cause it to darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets burned. Rick **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * **************************************************** >From rshough@tasc.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne wsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Density of Honey Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 19:10:03 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org>, Michael Humphrys wrote: >Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey? I've checked >a number of references, but to no avail. A five gallon (US) bucket is about 60 lbs of honey, which gives 12 lbs per gallon. This is 1.5 times as heavy as water, which is 8 lbs per gallon. That is a rough number, as the density will change a bit with moisture content (the higher the moisture, the lower the density) Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com A beekeeper from just a bit NE of Boston, Massachusetts. >From PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 8 00:42:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!pal adin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac. uk!warwick!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!humbhony.d emon.co.uk From: Peter Hill Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 09:17:18 GMT Organization: Humber Harmony Lines: 51 Message-ID: <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> Reply-To: PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: humbhony.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net> broldham@altheim.win-uk.net writes: > > However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a > jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was > thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it. I wasn't too > worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour. > Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out > with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot > pressing? What else do they do to it? > > What do you guys think? I can't speak on Cold Pressed honey - guess pressing per se is normally associated with heather honey - or the mysterious and cost-accountant driven sources and processes supermarket suppliers use, but would support those who say honey shouldn't have odd bits in it. We use vacuum assisted filtering. Our view on supermarket honey is best summarised by the text we use on our back label: Quote: English Beekeepers' Honey is a totally natural product, collected by honeybees from locally growing flowers. The label should always quote a precise area or place of origin. The colour and flavour (or color and flavor if you prefer:-) will vary from month to month and year to year, depending on the crop, so we always quote the extraction date, just like a wine vintage. No-one has yet determined a true "best before" date for honey (good honey came out of the tombs of the Pharoahs) but if you can bear to keep it rather than eat it we suggest you keep it in a cool dark cupboard and use within five years. All honey, except honey heavily processed on a large scale, will granulate with time. This is natural and many people prefer the enhanced texture. If you prefer it less firm for spreading, remove the metal cap and put it in the microwave for about ten to fifteen seconds. End quote. On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most chemical processes? -- Peter Hill, | Many people enjoy music without Grimsby, England. G7IOY | wishing to understand the contents peterh@humbhony.demon.co.uk | - rather like eating a sausage. Grimsby BKA. | (Marc Sabatella, 1992) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Calif. Bee Meetings Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <951004211116812@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 68 California State Beekeepers Association, Lake Tahoe, Nevada 1995 TENTATIVE 106th CONVENTION PROGRAM ^^^^^^^^^ Mon., Nova. 13 3:00 PM Board of Directors Meeting Tues., Nov. 14 8:00 AM Registration and Commercial Exhibits Open 9:00 AM Opening Ceremonies and Committee Reports 11:00 AM Update on Anti-Dumping Suit Troy Fore 11:30 AM Pollination Survey Results Kevin Roberts 12:00 PM Lunch 1:15 PM Beekeeping: Nevada Style Leonard Joy Nevada Dept. of Agriculture 2:00 PM Apitherapy: From the Master Charles Mraz 2:30 PM Selling Honey as a Gourmet Food Sherry Jennings Specialty National Honey Board 3:15 PM Break 3:35 PM Commercial Honey House Operations Bob Miller 4:15 PM Apistan Update Oscar Coindreau, Zoecon 7:30 PM Social Hour, Cookies and Refreshments Esther Wright American Honey Queen 8:15 PM Evening with Charles Mraz Charles Mraz Wed., Nov. 15 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Current Research ? Dr. Kirk Visscher 9:15 AM Almond Board Bee Research Rick Souza California Almond Board 10:00 AM Break 10:15 AM Honey Sales and Promotion Judy Gulleson Commercial Beekeeper 11:00 AM Bear Facts Revisited Shannon Wooten 11:30 AM Need for Research Panel Joe Traynor Bruce Beekman Gene Brandi 12:00 PM Research Luncheon Dr. Kirk Visscher UC Riverside 2:00 PM Sioux Honey Association Meeting Afternoon Free Thurs., Nov. 16 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Planning for Retirement John Allanson Financial Consultant 9:15 AM Wax Rendering Alan Mikolich David Bradshaw 9:50 AM Break 10:15 AM Staying in Touch Ria deGrassi California Farm Bureau 10:45 AM TBA CDFA Pesticide Regulator 11:30 AM Lunch 1:00 PM Wooten's Year on Film Glenda Wooten 1:30 PM Annual Business Meeting 3:30 PM Auction Wilse Morgan 6:45 PM Social Hour 7:30 PM Annual Banquet and Awards Fri., Nov. 17 7:30 AM Breakfast Board Meeting For more information via internet e-mail to: 95program.csba@beenet.com will return this program and Registration Instructions and Information. Pre registration ends November 6, 1995. OR you can call Kathy Brandi, CSBA Sectary at 209-826-8065, voice/fax. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <951004211115811@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 58 *ripped off the internet highway* From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:20:20 -0600 Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA ^^^^^^^^ Hi: I have been asked to provide more information about the Spokane beekeeping meeting of the Idaho, Oregon, and Washington Beekeepers. If you wish to attend and haven't received notice of the meeting, they encourage new members. Contact Walt Peterson, 509-926-1188, 6603 S. Conklin, Green Acres, WA 99016. Walt says they need more members and would be delighted to see some new faces. However, he would like you to call him and say you are coming so he can make adjustments in terms of the Banquet reservations. Ok, a quick summary of the agenda. Registration is Thursday evening at 7, followed by a Mead, Wine, and Cheese social. Friday: 7 Breakfast and Registration (wear badge) 8:30 Welcome 8:45 Where is Apiculture Headed - Jim Bach 9:15 What Have We Learned about Varroa Mites - Tom Rinderer 10:15 Refreshments 10:30 Honey Bee Repellants - Dan Mayer 11:15 Genetic Heritage of Honey Bees ...Future for Breeding - Walt Sheppard 12 Lunch 1:15 What is Going on at Carl Hayden Bee Lab - Eric Erickson 2:00 Beekeeping in Thialand - Mike Burgett 2:45 Beekeeping Trends ... From North of the Border - Paul Van Westenberg 3:30 State Business Meetings - Idaho, Washington, Oregon 5 Social Hour 6 Banquet 7 Auction Saturday 7 Breakfast 8 NEEM to Treat Colonies - T.P. Liu 9 What's New with Mites in NW - Mike Burgett 10 Break 10:15 Using State of the Art Technology ... - Jerry Bromenshenk 11:15 The Packers Role and Concerns - Don Griggs 12 Lunch (on your own) 1:15 American Beekeeping Federation Program - Lee Heine 2 National Honey Board Goings On - Carl VanWechel 3 Beekeeping in Egypt - Jim Bach "I shortened titles of talks and dropped all of the Drs, to keep this shorter - JJB" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? >From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc .net!bertha.ho.rohmhaas.com!wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com!user From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>, > PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote: > > [clip] > >On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in > >thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this > >follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most chemical processes? > > [deletions] I have heard that heating honey can cause it to > darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although > taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets > burned. This is pretty subjective, but the honey that I heated to extract from cappings by melting the wax in a microwave oven seemed to be darker and have a slightly sharper flavour than what came out of the extractor unheated. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." >From WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 8 00:43:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!adrem.demon.co.uk From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 15:38:33 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <812821113snz@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <44u5n6$jil@globe.indirect.com> Reply-To: WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <44u5n6$jil@globe.indirect.com> Estascy@euphoria.com writes: > I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624 > > The Euphoria Tape > > ******************* > IntraNet Cyber Products > Suite 578-101 > 5360 E. Bay Dr. > Clearwater, FL 34624 > ******************* > Copyright 1995 Intranet Cyber Products, All Rights Reserved. > ------------------------------------------------------- Wouldn't you say that this a triffle off-topic in this newsgroup ? -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk 100524.3203@Compuserve.com >From mculotta@mirage.bbn.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!oleane!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!info-server.bbn.com!news!mc ulotta From: mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preparing hives for the winter Date: 04 Oct 1995 19:24:23 GMT Organization: BBN SPC, Cambridge, MA. Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.bbn.com Hello, This is my second year keeping bees. The first, I had a single hive which didn't survive the winter. I checked carefully for varroa and AFB and didn't find either. Since I really didn't prepare the hive in any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong. This year, I have two hives. The first is much larger and more vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just fine. The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive. What, if anything, should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival? Thanks, Mark Culotta >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:24:53 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44papl$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:24:03 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44pao3$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:28:10 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44pavq$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the caps' centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:29:02 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44pehu$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:29:46 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44peja$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:30:18 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44peka$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:31:29 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44pemh$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From stjohn@interpac.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com !charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!news.interpac.net!usenet From: stjohn@interpac.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sue Hubbell Date: 4 Oct 1995 21:39:39 GMT Organization: Inter-Pacific Network Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <44uuur$ofb@isis.interpac.net> References: <44hfui$dui@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s21.interpac.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) >l beekeeping > in the Western U.S. Only an easterner would think that Arkansas is the western US. >From A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 8 00:43:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!news.massey.ac.nz!sysadmin From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 6 Oct 1995 03:17:09 GMT Organization: Massey University< New Zealand Lines: 9 Message-ID: <45273l$3j6@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ps-pc35.massey.ac.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ what can/do you use bee venom for? Arnold Chamove Massey University Psychology Dept Palmerston North, New Zealand A.Chamove@Massey.ac.NZ >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun Oct 8 00:43:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!es kimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Low honey yield in S. Ontario Date: 05 Oct 1995 03:23:23 GMT Message-ID: <22147070.1260368@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 25 Doug Nagy wrote >One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket >hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe robbing >the honey. Does this happen? yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores. I have see a yellow jacket steal a piece of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came in and killed him (via decapitation) and flew away. Yellow jackets around a bee hive usually are looking for the dieing bees that are crawling away from the hive. If it is a GOOD year for yellow jackets they may be starving and will then go for the healthy bees. Any of the commercial yellow jacket control traps will work. But use meat as a bait. The jackets will be attracted but bees ignore it. Evan >From ca1@Ra.MsState.Edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!Ra.MsState.Ed u!ca1 From: "Carl H. Hovermale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Truck Netting Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:33:24 -0500 Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone asked for information on bee truck netting. There is a man in poplarville MS That makes it. Buddy Moody PO Box 14 Poplarville Ms 39470 1-601-795-8396 >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink .net!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 13:53:14 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4535ek$6k3@news.iadfw.net> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> < 45273l$3j6@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-06.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove) wrote: >what can/do you use bee venom for? IMHO, I would say right now only for "medical research." No scientific studies have been done to show (prove) that it has any medicinal value. Nor are any studies likely to be performed (at least in the US). The large drug manu- facturers have no incentive to use their research money in developing any medicine that would be as simple as a bee sting! [This way go a long way in explaining why there are no buyers for bee venom]. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey containers Date: 5 Oct 1995 15:30:14 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 8 Message-ID: <450tm6$78n@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping I have a potentially new honey customer who asks if I can provide honey for his grocery store in plastic containers of 2, 5, 12 and 18 pounds. I think I can find suppliers for the 2 and 5 pound sizes, but what about 12 pound (gallon) and 18 pound (1 1/2 gallon) sizes? Does anyone know where I can find these? I think the grocer would prefer the bucket type of container. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preparing hives for the winter Date: 5 Oct 1995 14:55:06 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 40 Message-ID: <450rka$6ct@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:MCULOTTA.95Oct4152423@mirage.bbn.com mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta) wrote: > >Hello, > >This is my second year keeping bees. The first, I had a single hive >which didn't survive the winter. I checked carefully for varroa and >AFB and didn't find either. Since I really didn't prepare the hive in >any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong. > >This year, I have two hives. The first is much larger and more >vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just >fine. The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the >spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive. > >What, if anything, should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival? > >Thanks, >Mark Culotta > > Several of things are necessary, in my opinion: 1) Kill varroa! Assume the mites are there, and put a couple of Apistan strips near the center of the cluster. The bees will likely die otherwise. 2) Prevent foulbrood. Put about 4 oz of Terrapatty, or the equivalent, in two or three sites between the 2 hive bodies. 3) Give ample honey stores or feed. I usually use about 75+ pounds of honey, then carefully check during the winter to make sure they aren't running out. If the hives are getting light, I feed with candy boards on top of the hive bodies. 4) Ensure a good population of bees. If the colony seems weak, it is better to unite two than try wintering a small number of bees. 5) Give adequate ventilation to the hive. The bees will metabolize honey and consequently produce moisture, which will condense. I would raise the outer cover just a crack, or drill a hole in the front of the hive bodies (especially the upper one) just below the front hand hold. >From garndt@creativeis.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!scream.ing.com!news From: garndt@creativeis.com (Gary Arndt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Journal Today Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:23:27 GMT Organization: Creative Internet Solutions Lines: 22 Message-ID: <453l4u$smj@scream.ing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ed.ing.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 "Farm Journal Today" is a world wide web product of Farm Journal Publishing, a Tribune Companies property. Farm Journal has a history in the magazine business dating back to 1877, headquartered in Philadelphia, PA. It addresses the nation's largest industry--agriculture, and the US Food and Fiber industry. The multi-purpose site offers timely information for US agricultural producers and marketers, along with live chat and forum capabilities, a commerical center, and a business center offering navigation to other related Agricultural sites on the Internet. Linked to weather and commodity pricing sites, Farm Journal Today offers Real Audio capabilities. Farm Journal Today is complimentary, with no subscriber fee and is supported by advertising. Visit us at >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Low honey yield in S. Ontario Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:12:19 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 22 Message-ID: <453o1j$5rc@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <22147070.1260368@seafish.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:22147070.1260368@seafish.org Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) wrote: >Doug Nagy wrote > >>One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket >>hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe >robbing >>the honey. Does this happen? > >yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores. I have see a yellow jacket steal >a piece >of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came >in and >killed him (via decapitation) and flew away. >Evan > While the yellow jacket is certainly a carnivore, in the fall at least it will avidly go after sugars too. I recently had an experi= ence in which I set out a comb partially filled with honey outside my honey hou se. Several hours later, when I noticed it, it was p= acked with hundreds of yellow jackets, but not one single honeybee dared approa ch! They opened and devoured much of the comb in tha= t time. >From pkevan@uoguelph.ca Sun Oct 8 00:43:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph .ca!pkevan From: pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Asiatic Hive Bee (New Book) Date: 5 Oct 1995 19:50:04 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 23 Message-ID: <451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca Keywords: Apis cerana, apiculture, biology, sustainability X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL ASIA. The prepublication price for this book will be about $40.00 US. It is about 320 pages long, with chapters on all aspects of this bees' biology, husbandry, and ecological significance in nature and agriculture by an international team of authors. It will be available in November or December, 1995. Please message me directly if you would like to purchase a copy at the prepublication price, which will be finalized soon. Thank you, Peter G. Kevan. -- -- PETER G. KEVAN, Dept. Environmental Biology, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1, Canada pkevan@uoguelph.ca LIST OWNER FOR ENTOMO-L (general entomology), POLPAL-L (pollination & palynology), and POLAR-L (arctic and antarctic information) >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun Oct 8 00:43:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot .cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Walls Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:57:26 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 8 Message-ID: <450o87$mu9@news.sandia.gov> References: <44fml3$24i@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Why not make the observation hive portable and have a location in the wall to set it? This way it could be taken outside to work on it. Also this would allow multiple observation hives to be mannaged and the best to bee displayed. V C Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!new s.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!u senet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Pollen? Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 00:19:13 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <451lod$sam@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal06-20.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I been collecting pollen using pollen traps on a few of my hives. And my bees do a great job of bringing in the pollen however it is very labor intensive to clean the pollen for human consumption. Can anyone suggest a faster way of cleaning pollen for a small beekeeping operation other than picking thru it by hand? (I've tried the FAN thing and it blows away as much pollen as trash) Other than givin' up...anybody got any ideas? >From sca@silvercity.mv.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Cleaning Pollen? Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Sender: usenet@mv.mv.com (Paul Hurley) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Silver City Apiaries Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:22:31 GMT References: <451lod$sam@news.iadfw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 June of '93' "Gleanings" lists a mfgr. of a pollen cleaner. Not cheap, but I don't think there are many builders of these machines to offer much competition. Company is: The Hance Corporation 235 East Broadway Westerville, Ohio Ph.# 614-882-7400 Name listed as a contact is Jeff Cox. You might call them to see if they're still in businees, and the latest prices. Let me know what you find out, I'd be interested... >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun Oct 8 00:43:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink .net!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: beeswax Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:36:38 GMT Lines: 15 I was thinking about entering some beeswax in the state fair. I was wondering what is the best way to get the wax clean. I had thought about the solar wax melter but was thinking that the quantity that I have (25+ lbs) it would take to long. has anyone use Kelly's wax seperator? Does it work? Thanks, Dave M. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asiatic Hive Bee (New Book) Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:05:59 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 9 Message-ID: <453nln$5rc@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan) wrote: >A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, >BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL Just a question - I don't recognize what kind of bee under consideration - is t his the bee known as Apis cerana? >ASIA. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Indiana SBA Fall Meeting Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <951007093407835@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 56 *Off the B-List* From: Ken Adams Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:19:07 EST Subject: Indiana SBA Fall Meeting 97th Annual Fall Meeting, Indiana State Beekeepers Association The fall meeting will be in Burlington, Indiana on October 14, 1995. It will be at the Burlington Center located at Burlington Park. Registration is $2.00 per individual, $3.00 per family. The Lunch meal is catered and will cost $6.00 per person. 08:00 Registration 09:00 Meeting Starts 09:30 Call to order 09:40 Reports: Treasurer- Steve Welch Secretary- Tracy Hunter State Apiary Inspector- Kathleen Prough 09:50 Introduction of 1996 Indiana Honey Queen Contestants 10:00 1995 Indiana Honey Queen Report by Carrie Beguhn 10:15 Election of Officers 10:30 Gerald Burchett from Eddyville, Kentucky "Young People in Beekeeping" 11:30 Lunch- catered 12:45 Entertainment 13:15 Awards- Beekeeper of the Year Clover Blossom Award Honey Show 13:30 Auction 14:15 Queen Coronation 14:30 Don Stoelting from Louisville, Kentucky "Everything You Need to Know About Pollen" 15:30 Closing Announcements For more information, contact John Adams, V.P., (317) 566-3254 or Jerry Shaw, Pres., (219) 674-9327 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Soyez prudent : 90% des gens sont causes par accident. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 02:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <951007093407836@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 19 This message was from Bill Van Roekel to Multiple reci originally in conference BEE-LISTMAIL on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- From: Bill Van Roekel To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:21:14 CST Subject: Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Organization: NCRPIS The Iowa Honey Producers annual meeting will be held on November 10 & 11 at the Starlight Village Motel in Des Moines, Iowa. I will try to post more information later, but if you are interested in attending, (and anyone with an interest in bees is more than welcome to come) e-mail me directly. A very good program of speakers on a variety of subjects is planned. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Soyez prudent : 90% des gens sont causes par accident. >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sat Nov 4 20:46:45 EST 1995 Article: 2970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: bee venom Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:25:11 GMT Message-ID: <126942.2400351@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 24 As to the use of Bee Venom as a therapy. Here in Washington state, one of the local beekeepers (in his 60's) has used BV the combat his arthritis. BV is supposed to stimulate the bodies production of cortizone (which is a big help in the joints) He gets about 50 bees and has them all sting in whatever joint is bothering him most He says its usually a knee or a shoulder. He started with 5 and has worked his way up to 50. He has to apply the stings about every 3 months but then he has no arthritis pain for that long. My dad had trouble with his shoulder and got a cortizone shot. It killed all pain for about 6 months. If the BV cortizone connection is correct I can see where the BV is a lot cheaper for a beekeeper. Ta Ta Evan >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sat Nov 4 20:46:46 EST 1995 Article: 2971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Equipment for foundation Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:41:32 GMT Message-ID: <3806388189.2454597@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 13 German Romo writes >hi, does anybody know if there are any suppliers of equipment >for making foundation from beeswax? I am not interested in >equipment for large scale production. I am trying to find some new >or used inexpensive equipment to make foundation at home on a small scale. In the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian (Williamson Publishing, Charlotte, Vermont) pages 131 to 141 tell how to make your own equipment for making a foundation die using plaster, some lumber, etc. , and a purchased piece of foundation. Total Cost $10. Evan Bonney Lake Washington >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:48 EST 1995 Article: 2972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!use net From: Joel Govostes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:49:56 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 12 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which I haven't been able to get to yet. I was going to try bee escape boards if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's too cool for them to fly. Any ideas? Once the colony clusters, I don't think a repellent would work. I really only have weekends to do this, and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time! Since I can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG >From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sat Nov 4 20:46:51 EST 1995 Article: 2973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!z ombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.n et!agate!news.mindlink.net!line201.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? Date: 30 Oct 1995 00:15:32 GMT Organization: none Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: line201.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ The American Bee Journal is a good magazine, I have subscribed to it for about 15 years now. Contact them at 51S. 2nd Street, Hamilton, IL 62341. The price for mail with the USA is about $20 US per annum, probably more for outside the US. In article <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it>, villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa) wrote: > I'm posting this for a friend of mine. > He's looking for information about a magazine called > -American bee journal- or something like that. > Does anyone knows somethings about it? > Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it? > Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it. > Thanks a lot. > stefano > > stefano.villa@pmn.it -- honey is sweeter than wine >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:52 EST 1995 Article: 2974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.c c.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 10/95 Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:57:23 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 242 Message-ID: <472sl3$jkh@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magazine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanfors MAgazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 10 October 1995 A STABLE POLLINATION SERVICE-A la Francaise In 1976, S.E. McGregor wrote about what he called a "stable pollination service." In the "Pollinator's Bible," Agriculture Handbook 496, USDA ARS, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants, (see July 1995 APIS) he said: "A pollination service ...must be equally interested in the welfare of the grower and the beekeeper." And, in order to be stable, according to McGregor, a pollination service should be relatively large in scope and regional in focus. He also suggested that it be based on pollination consultants that would "give equal expression in determining the services the grower needs and the fees that the beekeeper receives." Even before the advent of the personal computer, McGregor also suggested a large-scale pollination program would lend itself to computerization. For example, he concluded: "...various grower and beekeeper locations could be fed into the computer, along with dates bees might be needed and when they are available. Then the computer could, without bias, determine the nearest or most logical beekeeper available for pollination of a specific crop." To my knowledge, we have yet to see in this country any sustained stable pollination service of the kind described by McGregor. In France, however, the idea appears to have taken hold. Dr. Bernard Vaissiere, a Texas A & M Graduate, now a pollination researcher at the Laboratoire de Pollinisation Entomophile, INRA Unite de Zoologie, 84914 Avignon Cedex 9, France, FAX (33) 90.31.62.70, Tel. (33) 90.31.61.69 (email: bernard.vaissiere@avignon.inra.fr), wrote the following in his contribution to the notes of a Workshop on Bees for Pollination, Brussels, 2-3 March, 1992: "...there was often little cooperation among the beekeepers renting colonies for pollination to define a pollination service. Indeed, the production of honey or other bee products remained the prime activity while commercial pollination was usually regarded as a side business." "...it is symptomatic," Dr. Vaissiere continued, "that the beekeeper association which claims to represent most of the commercial beekeepers calls itself the Syndicat des Producteurs de Miel Francais (French Honey Producers Association). Clearly it is a honey producing association; there is no mention of pollination. ...colonies rented to growers varied considerably among beekeepers and from season to season, depending upon the expected nectar flow and the price of honey. Colonies were usually managed with little regard to the crop to pollinate and there was little, if any, monitoring of the foraging activity at hive entrance or in the target crop once the colonies were delivered." These conditions mirror those found in much of the United States today (see March 1995 APIS). Several things occurred in France, however, that have stimulated beekeepers to take a second look at commercial pollination. In the process, they developed, what Dr. Vaissiere says is "a fairly original solution." It looks a lot like that envisioned by McGregor almost two decades ago. The first pivotal event, according to Dr. Vaissiere, was year- around availability of bumblebee colonies in southern France. In 1989, growers were given an alternative to the haphazard commercial honey bee pollination efforts of the past. Bumblebee companies used a combination of sleek marketing brochures, monitoring and replacement of defective colonies and followup observations of foraging activity in field to tap the lucrative greenhouse tomato pollination market. A monthly fee structure (instead of per colony) was instituted along with a pollination per unit area of crop. In spite of relatively high prices, growers jumped at the opportunity to take advantage of these services. Previously, the only alternative was hand pollination. Bumblebees (B. terrestris) now pollinate all commercial greenhouse tomatoes in southern France. In the latter part of 1990, honey prices declined in France. At the same time, the veterinary service in the departments (provinces) of Tarn and Garonne attempted to monitor colony movement and coordinate fluvalinate treatments for Varroa. The timing seemed propitious to consider commercial pollination as a more organized enterprise. Some ten beekeepers who knew each other and had some pollination experience joined forces. After several meetings over a period of months, the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP (Groupement des Apiculteurs Pollinisateurs Professionels) was formed. The GRAPP association developed a set of bylaws to which each member agreed in writing. Among key provisions was a guarantee by the larger group that the maximum time span for delivery/removal of colonies after notification be 48 hours, even if an individual contracting beekeeper was unable to comply. Additional guarantees were also provided, including the sanitary condition and size of colonies. Other factors were key to the GRAPP. All members shared a strong interest in pollination and used most of their colonies in this activity. Members considered branching out into bumblebee culture, a logical next step (See July 1995 APIS), but this did not materialize. The GRAPP was also composed of "professionals"; only full-time beekeepers could join. The group insisted on a professional image and believed that including part-time beekeepers would not be profitable. In practical terms, beekeepers seeking entry had to have at least 300 colonies, be sponsored by two current members and be admitted by the majority of a five-person governing board. The board's decision was final with little chance for appeal. The Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP used marketing strategies not available to individual beekeepers. These included a brochure mailed to all growers in the region and a computer bulletin board providing information on an array of pollination questions. The GRAPP also provided growers with a free evaluation of their pollination requirements in relation to their current agricultural practices. Members were in contact with most grower organizations and gave interviews to journalists and appeared on television. Each GRAPP member joined with an established customer base, which remained with the beekeeper. New customers, however, were allocated by the secretary based on geographic location; the nearest member got first choice. All members used standard contract and billing forms. Based on bills submitted, a voluntary assessment was requested to support GRAPP activities, which included a part-time secretary and the printing of informational materials for distribution to growers. The fee structure was decided by majority vote by the general assembly (all GRAPP members) which met 4 to 5 times per year. There was a base fee for standard service; on top of this, extra charges were assessed. These included feeding colonies upon arrival, inserting pollen traps and/or implementing "flash pollination" (scheduling bees to arrive with 24 hours notice instead of 48). Of more than passing interest, the fee structure was designed to provoke growers into asking questions about the precise meaning of each possible option and advantage of its use. Although many members believed the rates were not high enough, there was optimism they could be raised once growers were familiar with the quality of service provided. A final step implemented by the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP in 1991, according to Dr. Vaissiere was registering its name, bylaws and logo with the INPI (Institut National de la Propriete Industrielle). This meant that other organizations using the name or logo, must endorse the bylaws. These specify, among other things, that only one GRAPP exist per administrative region (22 of these exist in France). Members must agree to the definition of a pollination service adapted to each crop, including: (1) determining minimum quality standards; (2) monitoring foraging and resultant pollination; and (3) using a base fee per hive. GRAPPs are free to support any research they desire, but must share the results with all others, and apart from those mentioned above, any GRAPP can develop its own set of internal rules and/or organization. Finally, every association must agree to take part in a national body of GRAPPs to make more uniform, the language, rates and service specified in the pollination contracts. More recent information from Dr. Vaissiere indicates the GRAPP Midi-Pyrenees disbanded two years ago. There is indication, however, that it is likely to be restarted. Two others, on the other hand (GRAPP Rhone-Alpes and GRAPP Mediterranee) are active and growing. The latter had a gross income of $300,000 last year. The formation of the national organization did occur in 1994, but has yet to be fully functional. Beyond the many advantages noted above concerning GRAPPs, there exists, according to Dr. Vaissiere, a unique opportunity for these associations to define and carry out needed pollination research. As an example, consider the present differences between bumblebee and honey bee providers in France. The former charge by unit area for greenhouse tomatoes, but by colony for crops grown in the open. Honey bee providers only use the latter method. Perhaps, under the dictates of a GRAPP, honey bee keepers will also shift to charging by unit area, not only inside greenhouses, but outside in the field. This focuses on what a pollination service is all about, getting crops efficiently pollinated, not a stocking rate (number of hives/unit area), which is really only a means to pollinate. Dr. Vaissiere emphasizes that shifting from stocking rate to unit area is an important step because the relationship between forager density (bees/100 flowers) and pollination intensity (the number of conspecific pollen grains per floral stigma) is fairly close. The relationship between forager density and stocking rate, however, can fluctuate considerably based on other floral resources nearby the target crop and other environmental conditions. As long as the price of pollination is on a per/colony basis, Dr. Vaissiere says, some solution is needed to guard against the vagaries of environmental factors. The usual method, "saturating" the target areas with imported pollinators, is costly to both farmers and beekeepers. In addition, growers may not understand the subtleties involved when a neighbor gets a good crop with a stocking rate of one colony/acre while he is being charged for 5 colonies/acre for the "same" service. Finally, the saturation strategy ignores the effect of the native pollinator potential in an area and may backfire in some situations (apples, peaches) where too much fruit set is detrimental. In conclusion, Dr. Vaissiere says, it is essential that the pollination service be clearly defined and understood by both parties so it can be objectively evaluated and appropriately rewarded. Past experience show this to be unlikely with individual beekeepers. Increased exposure, visibility and capability of the GRAPP structure can provide orchard growers, seed producers and others with a better working knowledge of the pollination process. This allows farmers to better plan for adequate pollination and provides a guarantee of prompt delivery and proper management of their insect pollinator potential. With the advent of Varroa in the United States, commercial pollination has taken on a new meaning (see November 1993 APIS). The trials and tribulations of the individual beekeeper as a commercial pollinator are also well documented (See March 1995 APIS). Thus, it behooves beekeepers considering changing the focus of their enterprises toward pollination to consider the successes and failures of the French GRAPP experiment in establishing the world's first country-wide stable pollination service. For more information, interested persons can contact the president of the GRAPP Mediterranee, Jean Vilain, Les Bouletines F-13980 Alleins, Tel. 90.57.35.14; FAX 90.59.35.58. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- ___________________ "I'm standing in the middle of life Adam Finkelstein with my pants behind me." adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu --Chrissie Hynde >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:53 EST 1995 Article: 2975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!us enet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:37:24 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 22 Message-ID: <472v04$dg3@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu Joel Govostes wrote: >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? >I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which >I haven't been able to get to yet. I was going to try bee escape boards >if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to >lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's >too cool for them to fly. Any ideas? Once the colony clusters, I don't >think a repellent would work. I really only have weekends to do this, >and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time! Since I >can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related >experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG > I have had some limited experience doing this. You are right in that fume boar ds are quite useless in cool weather. Escape boards = don't work too well either, unless there is a warm period during the day. Even so, it will take quite a long time to clear 3-5 supe= rs with escape boards in cool weather. I would go along with your friend's recommendation to use a bee blower. Set up the supers so that the bees are blown out toward the= ground in front of the hive, and they should find their way back with little d ifficulty. If the bees are clustering in the supers,= you will need patience with this method as well, since the outer shell of bees will hang on to the comb very tightly. I usually se= t the super up on end on top of a hive cover, bottom of the frames facing me an d the blower. That way I can pry the frames to the l= eft or right to give more room for the air flow between them, and dislodge the few stubborn remaining bees. >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:54 EST 1995 Article: 2976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.u mich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:55:10 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 28 Message-ID: <47301e$dg3@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:565184462wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk In article: >dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes: >> >> Over the past month my single hive has gone from a very strong population to >> almost nothing. >> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean >> inspection in July, >> Throughout this time I had noticed yellow jackets around the hive and >> sometimes in the hive when I opened it up. I didn't think much about it, >> figuring the bees could take care of themselves. >> I saw yellow jackets carrying off large numbers of >> brood, with the bees apparently not doing anything about it. >> Three days later I checked on the hive, and yellow jackets were coming and >> going at their leisure. Nearly all of my brood was gone and 70% of my adult >> population was gone compared to what it was 3 weeks earlier. The last >>time I checked them, about a week ago, they were really >> hurting. The new brood had been raided out. >> I haven't been to the apiary since them, and I fully expect that my bees wil l >> have either been wiped out or would have absconded. >> Dave out Since misery loves company, I have a similar story to report, except that my hi ves stayed upright. This is a typical varroa attack= , in my opinion, as my hives also experienced a similar rapid population collap se, dead brood, and marauding yellow jackets and horn= ets. Some of my friends felt that the large yellow jacket populations this yea r were responsible for the destruction, but in my few= healthy hives there is no sign at all that yellow jackets can gain entrance. I think that they are opportunistic, taking advantage= of a weakened hive as would wax moths (which also have entered my varroa hives , even with a few bees left). I was amazed at how qu= ickly the strong hives of summer were reduced to a shambles! This varroa mite is a pest without equal. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Nov 4 20:46:55 EST 1995 Article: 2977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet .net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <951029221313933@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it> Lines: 39 >From: villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa) >Subject: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? V>I'm posting this for a friend of mine. >He's looking for information about a magazine called >-American bee journal- or something like that. >Does anyone knows somethings about it? >Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it? >Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it. >Thanks a lot. > stefano __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |.-----. FAX .-----. 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Lines: 8 Message-ID: <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.gallium.sentex.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Information needed. A science student studying animal adaptations has not been able to find the answer to this question: Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black? Please answer directly to cenwell@sentex.net Subject: Kate >From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:56 EST 1995 Article: 2979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu !magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.e du!NewsWatcher!user From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:43:53 -0500 Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.20 X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b22.0+ In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C." wrote: > Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested. > > Fill saucepan ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water. > Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = strong) > Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it. > > Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts > solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine. > (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine) > > Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia. > Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it. > > Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in. > Let the water drain out > Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture. > Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps. > Bottle your polish. > Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out. > > Remember to use lots of elbow grease. Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical products would be better polishes. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:46:57 EST 1995 Article: 2980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Student Request Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:25:13 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> References: <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal11-01.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 > Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black? Not all are; there are red ones, purple ones, grey ones and all are honeybees (Apis). >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:58 EST 1995 Article: 2981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!m agnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:03:26 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] In article Doug Inkley writes: >Path: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swr inde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp! dinkley >From: Doug Inkley >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle >Message-ID: >References: >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:30:30 -0700 (PDT) >X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org >Lines: 1 >What's the status of the queen? Could be an issue here. This whole hive was new from a package in May. New queen, new hive, new frames. New beekeeper. Dave >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:59 EST 1995 Article: 2982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!m agnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:07:59 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] > Dr David A Gladstone writes: >>dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes: >> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean >> inspection in July, >We didn't think we had it either but lo and behold the spring floor scrapings >revealed the nasty little beggars - we have been vigilent and currently have t he >bayverol strips in for the six week treament - the bees are still flying in th e mild >autumn and we got 110 lbs this year - I understand that varroa has usually bee n >present for a couple or years or so before it's detected. I don't know enough about what is typical, but this was my first hive, started >from a package in May. I can guess that the varroa came from a wild swarm I caught for the lady who lets me keep my hive on her property who lost her own bees to foulbrood the previous year. I treated that swarm about 10 days after hiving it. Probably enough time to pass the mites to my bees. Too bad they can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it. Dave out >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:47:00 EST 1995 Article: 2983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:18:17 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <47548r$ssb@news.iadfw.net> References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal02-06.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 >Too bad they can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it. Dave, .... in time! {But then, would you just want the honey "beamed" to you instead of KEEPING bees?} >From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:00 EST 1995 Article: 2984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.edu!cbl. cees.edu!worrell From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Need bees for BVT Date: 31 Oct 1995 12:53:45 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <47568p$hqc@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: <46outr$s7b@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] SteveStepanian (step@ccnet.com) wrote: : I have MS and have been doing Bee Venom Therapy (BVT) for 4 mos. BVT : is the only thing that's helped with my MS. My beekeeper is moving : 400 miles away and will not be able to supply me with bees. I have : been unable, so far, to find a beekeeper that wanted to be bothered or : the liabliity (there is none). I live in a condo so I can't set up my : own hive. I'm getting desperate because I've stopped all drugs (per : my doc) and without the bees I will get worse and have to start back : on drugs and the inevitable side effects. : Does anyone have any suggestions or know a willing beekeeper in my : area? I live in the East San Francisco Bay Area. I need around 250 : bees/mon. Steve, I tried to reply to the group on the weekend but my posting failed. Hope this gets thru! Greg Ferris of Ferris Apiaries sends out small quantities of bees by mail. Address is : Greg Ferris Rt 1 Box 460-H Indian Head Md 20640 1-800-787-4669 Hope this helps Jerry Worrell -- Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sat Nov 4 20:47:01 EST 1995 Article: 2985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:41:43 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <47592n$a3f@explorer.csc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com > Your story mirrored the story of my hives last year. At the end of August 1994 I had 6 strong hives moving purposefully toward winter. By the end of September, I had one left that was just on the edge and didn't make it through the winter. Don't feel bad. I have spent the last 4 years losing hives to the winter and my own lack of experience. This year I said "no way". I ordered packages in January for delivery in April. On Apr 6 I installed them, inserted Apistran, Terrapatties, Syrup with Fumidile and Menthol. I continued to feed them until they stopped taking syrup , pulled the medicines and strips on June 1 and added supers. I decided that I w as going to sacrifice the fall flows in order to ensure that the bees were kept st rong so on Aug 1, I pulled 4 medium supers of honey, inserted strips and medicines, and started watching for signs of weakness. It didn't happen. They stayed strong all fall. I watched them gang up on the few YJ that explored their entrance. Throughout August and September they did their thing. Strips were pulled on September 25. The hives are now sitting with three deeps, the top two full of honey. I am hoping that this year will be different than the last 4. My only concern is that I pulled strips on Sept 25, now it is the first of November and I am wondering if I need to reinstall the strips for the winter . Mark Egloff Note: I have been told (and I cannot vouch for the reliability of the information) that if the YJ can gain access to a weak hive, they pick up the hive scent and are not challenged on subsequent visits. I dunno, but I had the same problem with YJ coming and going at will last year in late August and September. m. >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:02 EST 1995 Article: 2986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca! uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:32:00 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1744869F6S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> Joel Govostes writes: > >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? >... >can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related >experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG > You will find that the bees have clustered in the brood chambers and removing the honey supers should br fairly easy. It's most likely that you will only find bees in the super closest to the brood chambers and that all the remaining supers will be void of bees. At this point in the season when warm weather is the exception, not the rule you will probably be better off robbing/harvesting on a cold day rather than hoping and waiting for something warm. It would be nice to have a rain free weekend, eh? But all this rain certainly has helped the drought conditions. Would that the rains came during forage season! You should be warry of varroa. If you still have supers on I assume you have not treated. Varroa is a REAL problem in the Ithaca area (as it is in most if not all of New York). You should test and treat if necessary, after you harvest your crop. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Vice President, Southern Adirondack Beekeepers' Association A New York Beekeeper, about 150 miles northeast of Ithaca Round Lake, New York (7 miles South of Saratoga) >From nextug@ac.dal.ca Sat Nov 4 20:47:03 EST 1995 Article: 2987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.interlog .com!ra.isisnet.com!usenet From: nextug@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A FREE 1 YR. MAGAZINE SUB SENT WORLDWIDE Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:21:03 GMT Organization: Chebucto Community Net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <475idf$miv@ra.isisnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccn.cs.dal.ca All forgeries: Send your complaints to: This is what I wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I draw your attention to the following post made by your user . This post is blantantly commercial and was made to a non-commercial newsgroup, sci.agriculture.beekeeping. It is completely off-topic since sci.agriculture.beekeeping concerns itself solely with Beekeeping simulations and not with magazine subscriptions. You will also note that it was prolificaly cross-posted to many other newsgroups for which it is also off-topic. I trust you will take appropriate disciplinary action and that you will inform me as to the results of this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Christopher Majka -- Christopher Majka -- Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Internet: & Home Page: URL = http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~aa051/Profile.html >From dinkley@igc.apc.org Sat Nov 4 20:47:04 EST 1995 Article: 2988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uw m.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!dinkley From: Doug Inkley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 4 Dave, New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being moved , has the qued has the queen perhaps been killed? Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka confirm she is okay. >From joanne Sat Nov 4 20:47:04 EST 1995 Article: 2989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!u senet@lcs.mit.edu From: Joanne Talbot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:13:30 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dove.lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi, Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... Thanks much, Joanne >From joanne Sat Nov 4 20:47:05 EST 1995 Article: 2990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!u senet@lcs.mit.edu From: Joanne Talbot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Photography of a honeycomb -- my email address is included here... Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:16:08 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 4 Message-ID: <476068$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dove.lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) To: joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi, Please send email to joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu if you know of a photograph of a honeycomb...Thanks again. >From fredg@triode.apana.org.au Sat Nov 4 20:47:06 EST 1995 Article: 2991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.mona sh.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!triode.apana .org.au!news From: Fredrick Gruber Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Propolis - market required Date: 31 Oct 1995 21:45:49 GMT Organization: APANA - Australian Public Access Network Association Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4765ed$fis@triode.apana.org.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2.triode.apana.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bennett@wave.com.nz How many 15kg boxes of propolis have you got and what price are you asking for each? Fredrick. >From fredg@triode.apana.org.au Sat Nov 4 20:47:07 EST 1995 Article: 2992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.mona sh.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!triode.apana .org.au!news From: Fredrick Gruber Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: 31 Oct 1995 21:49:11 GMT Organization: APANA - Australian Public Access Network Association Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4765kn$fis@triode.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2.triode.apana.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi all, I want to buy trigona bees. I am offering a $30.00 spotters fee for each hive to anyone in Sydney Australia. Can anyone help? Fredrick >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:47:08 EST 1995 Article: 2993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 05:56:53 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 14 Message-ID: <476no7$53v@news.iadfw.net> References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Joanne Talbot wrote: >Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? I have a great picture of a honeycomb. I'm no photographer, but this picture turned out great! The light caught the comb just perfect and the comb appears translucent (by accident, I assure you!). It is a color picture and the cells are primarily two different colors. No adult bees are in the picture but in the bottom of the cells you can detect the young larva (if you know thats what you're looking at). No cells are capped over yet; all are open so you see the hex shape clearly. Its a standard 35mm photo. Let me know if you're interested, it would take some time to find the negative. >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sat Nov 4 20:47:09 EST 1995 Article: 2994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ex plorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:56:30 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 4 Message-ID: <478mtu$ijr@explorer.csc.com> References: <4765kn$fis@triode.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com > I want to buy trigona bees. > What is a trigona bee? Mark Egloff >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:09 EST 1995 Article: 2995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com !newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 1 Nov 1995 13:34:25 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <478ejh$61v@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot writes: >Subject: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) >From: Joanne Talbot >Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:13:30 GMT > >Hi, >Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? >A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new >book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... >Thanks much, Joanne Microsoft Windows has a photo of honeycomb in the Clip Art section. I don't know if all versions have it, but that shouldn't be too hard to track down. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From britton.4@osu.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:10 EST 1995 Article: 2996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!CTCnet!newsf eed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.n et!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!news From: "Constance J. Britton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention: Ohio and Alabama Beekeepers Date: 2 Nov 1995 13:43:36 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University/OARDC Lines: 16 Message-ID: <47ahu8$hv1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: libcsb.oardc.ohio-state.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: tew.1@osu.edu If you are an Internet beekeeper from Ohio or Alabama, please communicate with me directly for more information concerning organizational beekeeping activities in Ohio and Alabama. If you know of other beekeepers who have e-mail addresses in these two states, but may not see this note, please forward their address to me for a one-time message to them. Please respond to Tew.1@osu.edu and not to the net. Thanks. Jim Tew James E. Tew Tew.1@osu.edu Department of Entomology (216)263-3684 OARDC/The Ohio State University (216)264-1124 Wooster OH 44691 FAX (216)262-2720 >From m-15870@mailbox.swipnet.se Sat Nov 4 20:47:11 EST 1995 Article: 2997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiu c.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news00.sunet .se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!usenet From: m-15870@mailbox.swipnet.se Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian pure bee wax for sale! Date: 2 Nov 1995 14:45:30 GMT Organization: - Lines: 15 Message-ID: <47alia$lht@mn5.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup96-107.swipnet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Russian pure bee wax for sale! ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- MHITAB Phone: +46 8 30 77 00 Sveavaegen 49 Fax: +46 8 34 00 60 S-11359 Stockholm Telex: 17010 Mhitab SWEDEN E-mail: trade@mhitab.se Explore our home page at URL: http://www.algonet.se/~mhitab ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- >From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:12 EST 1995 Article: 2998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl !purdue!yuma!bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu!user From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 2 Nov 1995 17:38:26 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? > A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new > book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... > Thanks much, Joanne See the following: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/kbees.gif >from the public-domain Smithsonian collection. ===================================================================== Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu ===================================================================== >From BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:15 EST 1995 Article: 2999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!perkin-elmer.com!usenet From: BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com (Andrew P. Bajorinas) Subject: Beekeeping in CT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@netlink.perkin-elmer.com Nntp-Posting-Host: bajoriap.perkin-elmer.com Reply-To: BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com Organization: Perkin-Elmer Corp X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:43:33 GMT Lines: 21 I would like to contact a beekeeper on Connecticut. Somewhere in Western Connecticut would be nice. I am looking to buy some un-processed honey in significant quantities (gallons). Andy Bajorinas BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Andrew P. Bajorinas | These opinions are my own and | | BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com | not those of my employer. | | Sr. Engineer |-------------------------------| | Perkin-Elmer Corp, Norwalk, CT | A cat is not a wavefunction. | |________________________________|_______________________________| . >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:15 EST 1995 Article: 3000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload .lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state. edu!slip8-16.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:13:33 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip8-16.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] > Doug Inkley writes: >Dave, >New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being move d, has the qued >has the queen perhaps been killed? Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka >confirm she is okay. I did not find the queen, but I did find eggs three days after I put the hive back together. Anyway, the point is moot, since I went today to put the hive into storage. No bees, but full of yellow jackets. I put the hive body into a garbage bag, yellow jackets and all, and etherized 'em. Seldom have I had such satisfaction in killing something. There must have been at least 300 in a single hive body. There's always next year. Besides, I got about 50-60 lbs of honey from a 2 pound package my first year beekeeping. Not too shabby, by my way of thinking. Dave out. >From sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:16 EST 1995 Article: 3001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!s as!mozart.unx.sas.com!sasrys From: sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com (Roger Sanders) Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Originator: sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:22:02 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sting.unx.sas.com References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au> < rick.haver-3010951543530001@130.189.40.20> Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 55 In article , rick.haver@dartmouth.ed u (Rick Haver) writes: |> From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) |> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping |> Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax |> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:43:53 -0500 |> Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT |> Lines: 32 |> Message-ID: |> References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au > |> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.20 |> X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b22.0+ |> |> In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C." |> wrote: |> |> > Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested. |> > |> > Fill saucepan ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water. |> > Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = stron g) |> > Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it. |> > |> > Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts |> > solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine. |> > (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine) |> > |> > Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia. |> > Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it . |> > |> > Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in. |> > Let the water drain out |> > Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture. |> > Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps. |> > Bottle your polish. |> > Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out. |> > |> > Remember to use lots of elbow grease. |> |> Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of |> its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The |> softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the |> layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're |> interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade |> you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical |> products would be better polishes. Good Point !! All recipes that I have seen call for adding Carnuba wax. I have made polish before with one of these recipes and was quite happy with the results. Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-BEESWAX) sells recipes, Carnuba wax, small round polish tins, and labels if anyone is interested. Roger E. Sanders N.C. Master Craftsman Beekeeper >From Drmobius@cris.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:17 EST 1995 Article: 3002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!viking.cr is.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood Preservation Date: 3 Nov 1995 23:28:13 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware. I think it is a silicone based water proofing. As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any insecticidal properties. I don't want to use pressure treated lumber because of the arsenic. I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. Wouldn't chlorine bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work? Seems a bit safer. tim >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:27 EST 1995 Article: 3003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood Preservation Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:21:20 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 39 Message-ID: <47g0g1$9r@news.iadfw.net> References: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wrote: >Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware I'd say yes. But I use 'Boiled Linseed Oil.' I've used both products before and I think Linseed Oil is better for bee equipment. Use only one coat if you're going to paint over it. I coat frames, boxes and all with Linseed Oil. Just bee sure to allow enough time for it to dry (it can take two or three weeks to dry). >I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye >solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. I have a copy of this book & I'd like to know where it says that this technique will 'sterilize' equipment from AFB. This is not correct! I'd like to look it up and write to the author of that section. Neither lye or bleach will 'sterilize' the equipment against AFB. The only way to "kill" AFB spores (at least approved in the US) is by using ethylene oxide. And there aren't many of these machines around. Reference page, 1090 of the "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (1992, revised edition). I have used hot lye water to clean boxes and frames for some time now and without any problems. You just need to be careful, but you'd need to be careful using hot bleach water too! (Or HOT water in general). Most all large grocery stores have lye; its in the section containing 'drain openers'. There are several brands availabe but a common one I see is called Red Devil. I use a large metal wash tub over a charcole fire (in a cut in half 55-gal drum). I heat the water to boiling on my kitchen stove and then pour that into the wash tub. The charcole fire may not get the water hot enough to boil but it will keep it hot enough to clean your equipment. Notice, I said 'clean' the equipment, not sterilize it. I use rubber gloves, protective plastic glasses (eyes) and a bathroom toilet brush (new, of course!) :-) Its probably not worth going to all this trouble if you don't have a few hundred frames to clean. Cheers.... >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:28 EST 1995 Article: 3004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:50:09 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <47g25v$9r@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 If you use metal queen excluders and the ladies have built it full of burr comb; a really quick way to clean these is to use one of the small hand held propane torches or your solar wax melter. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:29 EST 1995 Article: 3005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:53:59 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 2 Message-ID: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 How do you make 'em? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Nov 5 19:41:30 EST 1995 Article: 3006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet .net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Iowa Honey Producers Meeting Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <951104073705957@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 57 *FYI* OFF THE B-LIST* From: Bill Van Roekel Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:44:12 CST Subject: Re Iowa Honey Producers Meeting Organization: NCRPIS I'm sorry this is so late, and although it is not bee biology, there are scientists involved. I will abbreviate. Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Starlite Best Western Motel , Des Moines, Iowa Nov. 10 8:00Reg. $10 members $20 Family 8:45 Announcements 8:50 President's Welcome Paul Goossen 9:15 Dealing with Africanized Bees and Varroa in S. Texas Dr. Frank Eischen 11:00 Rpt from Ia. Apiary Bureau Bob Cox 11:00 Cooking w/honey entries due 1:30 De apibus semper dubutandum est("You can never tell with bees" >from Winnie the Pooh) Leo Stattelman 2:15Cooking contest results 2:30 IHPA business meeting 3:30 Science Fair Project-Winter protection and survival of honey bee colonies. Carol Fassbinder 4:00 Local area crop reports 4:30 Refractometer Calibrating Session (bring your own refractometer) Bob Cox 7:00 pm Banquet - State fair awards Speaker Richard Adee " Inside Adee Honey Farms" Banquet is not included in registration fee(but I don't know how much it is ) Sat. Nov. 11 8:00 Visit vendors 9:00 The Politics of Beekeeping and how it affects honey prices Richard Adee 10:00 Break 10:15 Uncovering the history of Iowa Beekeeping Richard Trump 11:00 National Honey Board Larry Krause (producer member from Riverton, Wyoming) 12:00 lunch 1:00 Fumbling for answers to Cantaloupe Pollination Questions Dr. Frank Eischen 2:00 Honey cooking demo Mindy Okerberg 3:00 Adjurn You do not have to be a member to attend, but registration will be slightly higher. This annual meeting always has something for everyone interested in beekeeping, not the least of which is spending time with about 100 Iowa beekeepers. If you have the opportunity I highly recomend this meeting. Bill Van Roekel Central Iowa nc7jr@ars-grin.gov --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ This ì”ì tagline has ì”ì a few ì”ì bees in it... >From NateS@svi.org Sun Nov 5 19:41:30 EST 1995 Article: 3007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!new s.Stanford.EDU!smart1.svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: 5 Nov 1995 01:34:37 GMT Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org> References: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsy.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) I've never made a wax mold myself, but here is what I would do if I did want to: 1) Take some wax and mold it into the figure, shape, object you want. 2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart). 3) Drill a 1/4 to 1/2 inch hole in the *bottom* of the figure until you hit the wax inside (this is the hole for pouring the melted wax into the mold). 4) Cut the mold along the length of the figure with a thin-bladed saw (be careful not to crack the plaster). 5) Remove or melt out the wax that remains in the mold. 6) Sand/shape the two halves until there is a nice fit with no leaks To make candles with the mold, you tape or secure a piece of candle wick down the middle of one half of the mold (you might have to cut a slight groove into this half of the mold for the wick to sit in). Secure the two halves together and you should be set to go. You might have to coat the inside of the mold if the wax sticks (does anyone know?). Granted this is a rough way to do it, but it should work and won't cost much. ------------------------------------- Name: Nate Saal E-mail: Nate Saal ------------------------------------- >From zap@mhv.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:31 EST 1995 Article: 3008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!usenet From: zap@mhv.net (zapper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need info on getting started Date: 5 Nov 1995 00:51:03 GMT Organization: Loyal Order of Cheese Whiz Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47h1pn$luq@over.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ulster-port26.mhv.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 I am interested in getting started in beekeeping and know nothing at all about it...anyone recomend any books, FAQ's, etc... comments welcome. zapper >From mjensen@crl.com Sun Nov 5 19:41:32 EST 1995 Article: 3009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatch er!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 20:02:26 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl3.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal wrote: > 2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this > in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart). Two part silicone rubber works much better than plaster and has the advantage of being flexible and easy to remove from the wax candle. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From 100662.2434@CompuServe.COM Wed Nov 8 10:39:01 EST 1995 Article: 3010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.pr oduction.compuserve.com!news From: Brian Gapco <100662.2434@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee Hood Ornament? Date: 5 Nov 1995 14:27:56 GMT Organization: Bismark Schlachtschiffe KG Lines: 7 Message-ID: <47ihlc$kad$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Does anyone know of a classic car that had a "streamlined" honeybee as a hood ornament? Rumor has it that it was Italian, pre-WW2 TIA, Brian >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Nov 8 10:39:02 EST 1995 Article: 3011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:02:24 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <47in6g$cgc@nfs1.pe.net> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Joel Govostes wrote: >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? I had that problem as it gets cool even here in the Golden State at this time of the year. I would not touch any frames on which there are bees in their warming positions on top of each other. I have to do my beekeeping duties on the weekend also, and two weekends ago we extracted in cool weather. It is probably colder where you live but the same temp. in our respective houses. Anyway, after the frames warmed up pretty well inside, I put them in my little two frame extractor and aimed the hair dryer into the extractor and the honig was pretty manageable. Oh? You have 20 colonies? What do I know about handling 20 colonies on the weekend? Nothing. >From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 8 10:39:03 EST 1995 Article: 3012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utex as.edu!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon. net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!relay-4.mail.demon.net From: Dr David A Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood Preservation Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 15:53:04 GMT Organization: None Lines: 58 Message-ID: <395339745wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk> References: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: dag@berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: relay-4.mail.demon.net X-Broken-Date: Sunday, Nov 05, 1995 15.53.04 In article: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wr ites: > > Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware. I think it is a silicone > based water proofing. As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any > insecticidal properties. I don't want to use pressure treated lumber > because of the arsenic. > > I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye > solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. Wouldn't chlorine > bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work? Seems a bit safer. > > > tim > You could write or e-mail to the manufacturer but they might not know in which case would you really want to go near the stuff yourself let alone expose your bees to it. Chlorine bleach would affect your breathing what makes you think that your bees would not be similarly affected. I believe that Lysol is a quarternary ammonium iodide product which should be s afe but you should check for a more authouritive answer. I sterilise my hives with a blow torch. I have a spare set and so I can steril ise that with the torch while inspecting for damage etc. NB keep a bucket of water handy because any residual wax can burst into flames. I do not know Thompson's Wood sealer and so I cannot give a definitive answer f or that product but you when I was faced with a similar dilema I recalled my early days in a food laboratory when testing for insecticides etc. This was before the da ys of modern instrumental chemistry and we used a quick and dirty pre-screening. We kept a stock of fruit flies and if they died when exposed to an extract form the sampl e under analysis this indicated a pesticide. (the flies were kept in excellent conditions and were given extra rations of broth at Christmas, sometimes they g ot a small tot of rum so please dont acuse me of cruel animal experiments) I tried the same sort of experiment when selecting a water based preservative f or my hive. I painted a small piece of wood and allowed it to dry for 2-3 days. I p laced it in a jar with about 10 fruit flies which I had captured (not as easy as it s eems). In a second jar I set up a control with no wood. I placed some porridge (cooke d) in each jar and let them get on with it. I observed them every day for about a we ek after which time I judged that it was safe to paint the spare hive. I allowed about a week for the paint to dry and any fumes to evaporate before puting the bits i nto use. I guess that the points to look out for are (a) not to paint the hive while it is occupied, they try to help and will get their feet stuck!(b) to allow a week or so to dry and (c) test the paint on some volunteers first and a few fruit flies are c heaper than a hive of bees. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David A Gladstone EMail dag@berfa.demon.co.uk "We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows." (Robert Frost The Secret Sits.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From meaderyman@delphi.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:04 EST 1995 Article: 3014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!elvis.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian pure bee wax for sale! Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 18:48:38 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <47alia$lht@mn5.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: Please contact me directly with information on price and quality of container loads of beeswax you have for sale. Thank-you. >From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:05 EST 1995 Article: 3015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic .net!news.midplains.net!gw2.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Drones in November Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:31:13 GMT Lines: 16 Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? I have two hives in the back yard, in southern New Hampshire USA and one still has drones. The hive acts very normal with a slight buzz when first opened (Top cover comes off) and the bees raise their hind ends as to sting but then they quiet right down and go about their business. It appears to be queenright although I am reluctant to go down inside. Activity is good weather permitting. However I see a few drones, not as large as they should be but drone shaped and bulky. Size wise they are between a worker and a real summer time party boy. Am I alone? Dave Verville Plaistow, NH USA att!mvtowers!mvdfv >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:06 EST 1995 Article: 3016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!c olossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee sting immunity in people and skunks Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <951107170117971@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 118 *Some good information off the b-list From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:42:20 -0700 Subject: Bee sting immunity in people and skunks Like several recent postings, the split/splitless debate seems to have dominated the discussion, when the original request was for people to contact Allen. In an attempt to start a different thread, I'd like to go back to the postings about people and bee allergies and skunks and bee predation. A good discussion of allergies occurs in Justen Schmidt's chapter (no. 27) in the most recent version of the Hive and the Honey Bee. I agree with most of what Justin says, but differ on a couple of points. To the best of our knowledge, no one starts out allergic to bee stings, that develops after one or more stings. Most people seem to go one way or the other, either you get less sensitive or more sensitive. Lots of references will explain this to you. The more interesting aspects to me are the differences seen in individual responses and the work done by one of our Missoula allergists, Dr. Bell, who has some evidence that allergies to bees tend to be more common in the family members of beekeepers than in the general population (even if the family members do not work with the bees). In my own case, I am allergic to just about everything except bee stings. As a child growing up on a farm, I couldn't drive past a green alfalfa field without wheezing. Took five years of desensitizing shots (yep, I was one of the earliest test cases for this procedure back in the 50's) before I became halfway functional. However, after 20 years of bee stings, I rarely swell, even if stung on the wrists or eyelid - worst case is a slightly tired looking eye. Most stings do not even hurt, pain ranges from a slight prick to nothing (especially in my forearms), although a direct hit on a nerve ending still hurts like heck. On the other extreme is one of my students who I will call R.A. R.A. is a young woman who has worked for me for three years. She is very gentle with the bees and likes to work with them. After 3 or 4 stings spread across an entire summer, R.A. developed one of the worst cases of sensitivity to bee stings that Dr. Bell had seen (at least as evidenced by the skin test). She wanted to keep working bees, so last winter, she took the whole venom de-sensitizing shots. This spring, she went back to work. She keeps an adrenaline kit handy, but hasn't had to use it. The reason I mention this is that many doctors and even Justin recommend not getting the shots. Among my colleagues, one who does field work in remote areas also became hypersensitive, took the shots, and is now okay, although he needs occassional booster shots. On the other hand, one of our beekeepers has two teenagers, both became allergic, both got the shots, one can work bees, the other can't. The reason for this lengthy discourse is to comment on the people who are allergic but work bees with an adrenaline kit close at hand. Personally, having seen what a severe reaction can do and how fast (and I have experienced them personally, not from bee stings, but from other allergies), I would not take the risk. I don't enjoy bees so much that I would risk my life. On the other hand, I think anyone who wants to work around bees or to enjoy the out-of-doors without fears of stinging insects and who is allergic should seriously consider the de-sensitizing shots. For me, the peace of mind (and the lack of allergy symptoms) is well worth the bother and the expense. And yes, they are expensive, in part because so few people get them (the old supply and demand equation). So what does this have to do with skunks? Yep, here in Montana, skunks eat bees. I have seen them do it, have even been known to re-locate, and once dispatched one (for research purposes, you understand). Liz, they aren't blinded nor is there any evidence that they can't smell with a nose full of stingers. Do they get stung? Yes!! Lots of stings, and not just externally, you can find stingers in the mouth and throat and I suspect even farther down the G.I. tract. Doesn't seem to bother them much. They come each night to the same hives, scratch at the entrances, wait till the bees flood out, and start licking them up. Looks like when things get really hot and heavy they move over to the next hive. But maybe they just decide to try some other bees. Worst part is that every evening just about dusk you can count on your skunk to repeat the process. If left unchecked, I have seen a skunk decimate strong hives. You can always tell which are the favorites, scratches on the front of the hive, generally digging in the dirt just in front of the hive, fecal pellets full of bees. Now for the academic question. Are these skunks naturally resistant to bee stings, or do they like bees so much that they keep eating them. If a skunk becomes hypersensitive, it probably dies in the bushes. If the skunk goes the other way, well things should just get better. However, even with my high degree of immunity, bees just don't seem that tasty, but then again, I'm not a skunk. The question is: Why don't bee stings bother skunks? (or at least these stings don't cause enough of a problem to deter them from eating bees) If skunks are naturally resistant to bee stings, I don't remember seeing any data to support this nor any explaination of a mechanism. If skunks are borne resistant to bee stings, could that knowledge bee used to protect humans? Anyway, if anyone has any factual information concerning this issue, I'd like to know about it. You can post your comments to me, or to the list if you have an answer. Thanks Jerry J. Bromenshenk The University of Montana jjbmail@selway.umt.edu P.S. After 24 years of bee research, I guess I have to confess to being one of those academics lurking on this server. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Nov 8 10:39:07 EST 1995 Article: 3017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in November Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 03:50:42 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal15-12.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: >Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? >Am I alone? Dave, You're not alone. I was just in my hives pulling the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones. Not many but a few. My guess is that these were the last ones raised in the colony and they just haven't been *eliminated* yet. (women always love that story about how the ladies get rid of the useless males and just grow more males when they need 'em). I noticed that I only saw a few drones in my strongest hives (i.e., the hives with the most stored honey and a strong healthy worker population). >From mjensen@crl.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:08 EST 1995 Article: 3018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nn tp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in November Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 19:55:30 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net>, busykngt@mail.airmail.net wrote: > mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: > > >Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? > >Am I alone? > Dave, > You're not alone. I was just in my hives pulling > the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones. One of the effects of varroa, especially if the strips did not happen to get inserted directly down between actual brood (for example placed in a second story which is completely full of honey) is that the varroasis can proceed to the point where the queen becomes a drone layer, and some small drones start appearing. You know you have problems if any of these drones have deformed wings. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From dcleaves@mitre.org Wed Nov 8 10:39:08 EST 1995 Article: 3019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs .umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usen et From: David Cleaves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: "Beekeeping in the Midwest" Date: 7 Nov 1995 19:35:38 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <47ocea$9to@linus.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: m21812-pc.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Beekeeping in the Midwest" by Elbert R. Jaycox, published in 1981 by the University of Illinois. The 169 page book is in great condition with clean pages and no page tears. The yellow card covers do have a previous owners signature inside the front cover. The book covers all aspects of colony life, beekeeping equipment, seasonal management, and techniques. If interested, the book is available for $5 plus $2 postage. Please email to "dcleaves@mitre.org" if you would like any additional info. Thanks, and best regards. Dave >From pete1960@net2.intserv.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:48 EST 1996 Article: 3431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!netaxs.com!usene t From: pete1960@net2.intserv.com (Peter Gentile) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees with Varroa mites Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:38:03 GMT Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Internet Connection Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e0lib$1mj@netaxs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: net32.intserv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Keywords: bees, varroa mites, hyperthermia, cure X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 In article , netrom@find2.dbc.bib.dk says... > > >Okay, I admit it, I'm stunned. I never expected to find a newsgroup >dedicated to beekeeping. Anyway, I am posting this letter for a friends, >friends father, who seems to be looking for places to get in contact >with other beekeepers (if I interpret the note correct). > If the existance of this newsqroups stuns you, you'll be shocked by the vast amount of state, local, national and internationl beekeeping associations, clubs and other recources. Beekeeping is vastly more important than you think. Use your web searcher and typ in beekeeping, bee culture or apiculture. Also, there are many, many magazines and trade publiications available world wide. I'm not familiar with the country code at the end of your domain address, where do live? Hope I've helped, Pete, NJ >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:49 EST 1996 Article: 3432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiu c.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf0 2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:46:40 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e17l0$luv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Can anyone tell us how long the Tucson Lab will remain open? Is it 6 or 12 months? >From janetkatz@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996 Article: 3433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suggestions Wanted Date: 23 Jan 1996 00:54:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e1t69$4bi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm the Secretary/Treasurer of the Morris County Beekeepers Association in New Jersey. It seems that the officers of our group always struggle to find good programs to present at our meetings, which are held about six times a year. If anyone has suggestions for speakers, presentations, etc. that would be appropriate for a gathering of beekeepers, I'd sure like to hear them. Of course, if there's anyone out there who'd like to be a speaker or presenter at one of our meetings, please contact me. I can be reached at JanetKatz@aol.com. Janet A. Katz >From kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996 Article: 3434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.inter netmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (Keith G. Benson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wisconsin Date: 24 Jan 1996 02:44:09 GMT Organization: UW-Madison Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4e46dp$21dk@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f183-062.net.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Hi, Does anyone know if there is a Wisconsin Beekepers group and, if so, how one would reach them?? Many thanks,, Keith Benson >From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sat Jan 27 22:40:51 EST 1996 Article: 3435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!ne ws.nstn.ca!news From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey ? Date: 24 Jan 1996 12:54:57 GMT Organization: NSTN Inc. ICS/Windows Dialup User Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4e5a71$sbj@news.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yarmouth-ts-16.nstn.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 Hi I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ? >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:52 EST 1996 Article: 3436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com! newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: was bleach in syrup Date: 24 Jan 1996 09:20:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 23 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e5f7f$sam@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4bcn0k$bur@hornet.my> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I understand the USDA may have done such testing of bleach, salts, minerals, etc. The USDA Lab I worked at for a number of years did tests of water supplies, but that information may have to come from quarter reports found at the Tucson Lab only. That is if those reports are still there! Some hassle was caused when several of us coppied the information >from those reports on the importation by the USDA of AHB's for several years from Dr. Kerr in Brazil between 1959-61, it would not surprise me if those reports have been destroyed. But, the one study in Madison I understand is only one of several using bleach. We are now studing the use of a special mineral source that has 200 minerals in each dose. There are only two mines known in the world that have 200 trace minerals in them. Honeybees are animals and are a product of the earth, they require many minerals to remain healthy. For the past 30+ years in commercial beekeeping, I have never had such good colonies of honeybees without the use of non-approved products for all the colonies in my operation as I've had in the past ten years. David Miksa Miksahf@aol.com >From postmaster@beelines.thegap.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:53 EST 1996 Article: 3437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne ws.cais.net!news.vbc.net!news.gpl.net!news From: postmaster@beelines.thegap.com (Les Simms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Search Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:16:24 GMT Organization: beelines-du Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: beelines.thegap.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 To any beekeepers living in Belguim, I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be Lime. Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the area and give me any more relevant information. Les Simms >From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Sat Jan 27 22:40:53 EST 1996 Article: 3438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Belgiu m.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Search Date: 25 Jan 1996 15:09:22 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 38 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4e86f2$po1@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> Reply-To: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 In article <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net>, postmaster@beelines.thegap.com (Les Si mms) writes: To any beekeepers living in Belguim, >I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be >Lime. > >Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the >area and give me any more relevant information. > >Les Simms If Lime is a Lemon tree (Citrus aurantifolia: a spiny tropical citrus tree with elliptic oblong narrowly winged leaves and small globose greenish yellow fruit with an acid juicy pulp used as a flavoring agent and as a source of ascorbic acid .... pft ;-]), you are definitely wrong. If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer. You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets. The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees are collecting nectar on it. Some species give a nectar that poisons insects : you often find a lot of dead bumble bees under these trees. Hugo +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE (\ phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp (/ do bee do bee do .... >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:54 EST 1996 Article: 3439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 25 Jan 1996 19:44:15 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4e8mif$j20@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote: > I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my >area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd >rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* >comprehensive book? I agree with another posted response, that "The Hive and the Honey Bee" is the best and most comprehensive book. However, there are many others which are in various degrees less technical. Check out the beekeeping section of your local library: one you may find useful is something like "A Year in the Beeyard", which, though not the exact title, will help you get a feel for what should be done throughout the year. Read every book you can get your hands on - then you will get a "feel" for what happens in the apiary. Although it may be difficult getting to know local beekeepers, I would recommen d that you get in touch with your local or state beekeeper's association. They usually have regular (annual, semiannual) meetings, which can be the source of much important and timely information. Good luck. Ted Fischer >From ccoplan@infi.net Sat Jan 27 22:40:55 EST 1996 Article: 3440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nwgw.infi.net !news2.infi.net!news.infi.net!h-adamant.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: 25 Jan 1996 21:10:23 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-adamant.richmond.infi.net I'm in Richmond VA - USA - and 1 hive costs about $100 mail order, bees and queen for a starter hive - $50 - 100. This is all new, unassembled bee equipment. Giving the bees feed during the startup year is a pain, along with the medications, but the meds are only 2 times a year - so no biggie really. If your hive builds up enough honey stores and you have a mild winter climate, you shouldn't have to feed after their first year. I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year, and am NOT looking forward to doing that again. The bees DEFINITELY DO NOT LIKE THAT. ccoplan@infi.net or maybe - ccoplan@richmond.infi.net > I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want > to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, > etc.) before I take the next steps. > > What would be a good place to start? > > Thank you for your help. >From dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:56 EST 1996 Article: 3441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn !magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!infoserver.bgsu.edu!bgnet.bgsu.edu!dneate From: dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Dwight Arthur Neate) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating Honey ? Date: 26 Jan 1996 00:58:14 GMT Organization: Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4e98v6$7gh@infoserver.bgsu.edu> References: <4e5a71$sbj@news.nstn.ca> Reply-To: dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Dwight Arthur Neate) NNTP-Posting-Host: bgnet1.bgsu.edu In a previous article, yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) says: >Hi > >I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. >I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the >hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ? > > I have found that heating the honey to 100 degrees F allows for easy pooring but with out the loss of taste or the taste of burnt honey. Make sure not to heat the honey to fast. Us a double boiler type heating system. Do not apply the honey directly to heat. -- Dwight A Neate--finally a Computer Science Senior--hopefully shorty a graduate >From josephj@surf-ici.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:57 EST 1996 Article: 3442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!use net From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yet another Newbie Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:06:05 GMT Organization: Nonewhatsoever, ask my wife Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.31 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Here I stand. Over the last few months I firmly decided to attempt to 'keep' bees. I ordered the little buggers, so I am commited. Having more money than brains ( not a great feat ) I decided to dump the concept of a 'beginner's kit. I am following the boiled down versions of Roger Morse and a (excuse me can't QUITE recall ) Mr Vivian (?). I have obtained a number of mail order catalogs ( Brushy Mtn, Kelley, Root ) and have determined what SHOULD be needed. I have been lurking here for some time and have observed various medications being discused and discarded. My question is one you have answered many times, I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* comprehensive book? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:57 EST 1996 Article: 3443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona www page Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601242345531279@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 86 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:00:26 -0800 [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ AFRICANIZED HONEY BEES IN ARIZONA _________________________________________________________________ NEW!! Homeowner's Guide to Safe Honey Bee Swarm Control Video available... _________________________________________________________________ Bee experts believe that the Africanized honey bee is here to stay. Studies show that as the regular honey bees and the Africanized bees interbreed, the Africanized strain appears to be dominant. So, the movement of Africanized honey bees into Arizona con stitutes a permanent change in our state's environment. As a result, all of Arizona's citizens and visitors will need to permanently change their view of honey bees. Africanized honey bees are a more temperamental relative of the common garden honey bee, which is known as the European honey bee (EHB). Honey bees, whether they are European or African, only sting defensively. They do not go out of their way to sting. B ut some AHB colonies defend their colonies more intensively and with less provocation than other bees. [LINK] "Which is which?" [LINK] (click on image to expand) Scientists at the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson anticipate that the Africanized honey bee (AHB) will continue to colonize the lower regions of Arizona and the United States. So, we are now dealing with a different sort of honey bee that w ill remain different. And just as we Arizonan's have learned to walk in the desert - ever mindful of jumping cholla or rattlesnakes or scorpions - we must now display that kind of caution with respect to bees. This article will introduce you to the AHB and discuss the following five main topics concerning honey bees: * 1. Why the Africanized honey bee is different from any other domestic honey bee. * 3. What safety precautions must now be routinely followed to avoid a stinging incident. * 4. How to bee proof your property. * 5. What you must do if you inadvertently agitate and/or encounter an angry AHB hive or swarm. (IMAGE) Education plays a critical role in reducing the threat of the AHB to the health and safety of the public. People can coexist with Africanized honey bees by learning about the bee and its habits, taking a few precautions, and by supporting managed beekeep ing efforts. The University of Arizona Entomology Department and Cooperative Extension, in cooperation with Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, have undertaken coordination of Arizona's AHB educational activities as a project of the Integrated Pest Management Program. T he statewide efforts focus exclusively on the development and dissemination of AHB educational materials to educators and volunteer presenters throughout Arizona. The Arizona AHB Education Project has developed an AHB Education Kit consisting of a comprehensive training manual, a script and 37-slide presentation, sample bees in resin, a plastic honeycomb, eight 4-color laminated display posters, and a safety video entitled "What Arizonans Need to Know About Africanized Honey Bees." All items are contained in a silk-screened heavy-duty tote bag. Cost of the kit is $80, which includes shipping and handling. For more information about the Arizona AHB Education Project, or to order an AHB Education Kit, contact : Janet Mitchell, program coordinator, 2000 E. Allen Rd., Tucson, AZ 85719. Phone: (602) 670-6380 ext. 113. Fax: (602) 670-6493. _________________________________________________________________ GEARS is maintained by USDA/ARS. This server reports the results of research only. Mention of a proprietary product does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation for its use by USDA. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ich ben en Bienenzuechter >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:58 EST 1996 Article: 3444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA Software Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 05:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601242345541280@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:07:12 -0800 Subject: index.html /USDA Software Archive _________________________________________________________________ IT'S HERE! * Learn how to manage honey bee colonies cost-effectively while maximizing profits! _________________________________________________________________ (IMAGE) Redapol Developed by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman et al. A computer-based model simulating the interactions of weather, bloom, and honey bee foraging activity that culminate in 'Delicious' apple fruit-set. The model predicts the percentage of blossoms setting fruit based upon weather conditions, orchard de sign, tree characteristics, and honey bee colonies per hectare. Now available in a complete archive (.ZIP file). * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) _________________________________________________________________ GEARS is maintained by USDA/ARS. This server reports the results of research only. Mention of a proprietary product does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation for its use by USDA. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ þ Invalid user. Hit user to continue. >From WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 22:40:59 EST 1996 Article: 3445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com! nntp.coast.net!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade. news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk From: WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:30:48 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently fed to bees during the spring time? I recently bought some "Flying Start" pollen substitue (soya based) >from Thornes of Wragby at 3.90 (GBP) per 2 lb bag and was wondering if it was more economic to make it up myself or buy it from a beekeeping suppliers. The idea is that you add water and mix the powder into a paste which you then cover with waxed paper to prevent it from drying out. Then you feed between 0.5 and 1 lb of the stuff to each colony (depending upon how strong the colony is) by leaving it on the top bars above the brood area at a time of the year when natural pollen is in short supply (e.g. spring / autumn). That way, the colony is supposed to build up faster than if they were reliant upon naturally occurring pollen alone. Since I have never used this stuff before, I would also be grateful for any information from beekeepers with experience of this product. Many Thanks, - Paul - Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England. Email : Paul@Adrem.demon.co.uk 100524.3203@Compuserve.Com >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:00 EST 1996 Article: 3446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:32:26 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) writes: > >The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and >then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F. > I'm challenging this statement and request sources. The 170 deg F figure seems quite high when compared to the recent discussion on BEE-L (See BEE-L LOG9601) where recommended temperatures were more towards the 120 deg F range. I don't mean to start a flame war, I'm just wondering if this is the method that works for Don Franson or is this a method that is advocated by beekeeping experts in general, and if so, who are those experts? Inquiring minds want to know! Aaron Morris >From droneboy@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:00 EST 1996 Article: 3447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.n ews.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: droneboy@aol.com (Droneboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:03:14 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 23 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e8gl2$edb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> Reply-To: droneboy@aol.com (Droneboy) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com On Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:06:05 GMT, josephj@surf-ici.com wrote: > I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my > area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd > rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* > comprehensive book? > Here I stand. "The" one comprehensive book I have is Dadant's, "The Hive and the Honeybee." It is far more comprehensive then I will ever put to use but nontheless a very good book. I must add though that no book will take the place completely of information you can obtain by talking with other beekeepers. I too have found tieing in with local beekeepers in my area not to work for me but do keep up via email with beekeepers from other areas. I'm sure others can suggest "their" favorite comprehensive book. -Barry >From EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Sat Jan 27 22:41:01 EST 1996 Article: 3448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !nnrp.info.ucla.edu!MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU!EEMPAML From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:54 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 10 Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19960126155458EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu Hi All, I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able to buy in??? please contact me at home.... castoff1@netport.com I am Victoria Thanks for any help you can give. >From leroy@ccinet.ab.ca Sat Jan 27 22:41:02 EST 1996 Article: 3449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!tr ibune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news-2.ccinet.ab.ca!usenet From: leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Amateur beekeeper Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:50:53 GMT Organization: totally unorganized Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) NNTP-Posting-Host: rdr57.ccinet.ab.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, etc.) before I take the next steps. What would be a good place to start? Thank you for your help. >From mmgreen@emckl.po.my Sat Jan 27 22:41:03 EST 1996 Article: 3450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.ne ws.pipex.net!pipex!demon!j6.brf55.jaring.my From: mmgreen@emckl.po.my Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ring Sting - What does it mean? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 03:44:50 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <822714290.680@j6.brf55.jaring.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: j6.brf55.jaring.my X-NNTP-Posting-Host: j6.brf55.jaring.my X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My sister reports witnessing on one day and in two different areas some wild bees (bumblebees, I think) locked in a circle, head to tail, stinging each other in some kind of mass suicide or homicide. Apparently, it was also a particularly dry season in Ottawa, Canada. She begged me to search the Internet for an answer to this peculiar ritual. Can anybody help? Replies to mmgreen@emckl.po.my, please. Thanks! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:04 EST 1996 Article: 3451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!coloss us.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OLd Drone Surfs the Net Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601261921151295@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41oq3b$6bq Lines: 94 JC>From: Jon Camp >Subject: Re: USDA Software >> * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) When I got this software I found out you need BENHEX 4.0 to decode it. I have not found that yet, but if I do I will let you know. JC>Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located? >I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the >few search engines I managed to find came up blank on >Redapol.zip. How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of >earth-shaking software? Hello Jon, The OLd Drone is sorry for your trouble, the software is at the GEARS site at the University of Arizona if that helps. I guess I will pass on my first experience's at net surfing, OLd Drone style. First I have no windows in my main computer as it is dedicated to the Wild Bee's BBS (209) 826-8107, and the bbs is a DOS program and to support the two dial up nodes the cpu is in a 486-66 box with 20 megs of memory and a gig and half of hard drives plus cd rom drives and a Mega back up system. The cpu does connect to the internet by phone for about one hour a day passing e-mail and use net mail via a uucp connection and connects to another net mail server for the Wild Net bbs echo mail all using 28.8 bd modems. So my hardware and software has disadvantaged me as to surfing the net with the middle class. I read about it, and see it on the boob tube, but have not had the experience until the good folks of this small farm town, Los Banos, Ca, decided they wanted to get on the net. Wow, 250 signed a petition to get it, (in 5 years only 40 of them had ever called this bbs) Well a few of us formed a computer club and made an effort. No provider would put a line in for our small group and it looked bleak, as we know from a lifetime of doing business here if it cost money forget it. Well to shorten the story and get to more interesting things, MCI came in and offered a program to all the people of California. 12$ a month, free weekends, free late niter, software supplied, (Windows & Mac NetScape), and 95 cents after 60 hrs of prime time, what a deal,...oh I forgot its a free 800 # to call to make the connection. MSI is looking to capture the market and all should check to see if this deal is available in your own state, check with you local school's as the original MCI program was aimed at providing internet access to rural schools that could not afford the high cost of a T1 service. So this OLd Drone is surfing the net using a old TL2 from the Shack, heck its been doing my bookkeeping for years since upgrading from the Trash 80 so it should be good enough for the internet highway. Anyway I don't get the fancy pictures and use tools like YAHOO, Gopher, www, and many other search engines to get around. And I have been getting around, not in the efficient way other's may do, but I am having a ball and learning how the internet works from both a old beekeepers and systems administrator of a bbs advantage. I have also used the NETSCAPE on other's computer as you can imagine all the local people need help in getting it going so I had to do it myself so I could help others. But even then I could not help the guy who did not understand you needed a computer and modem to surf the net. Anyway, I use Yahoo to find the BEEKEEPING HOME PAGE and from there moved out to other sites. The beekeepers home page is my pivot point to surfing and I have not had a problem finding much beekeeping information and interesting sites to visit from there. I was delighted to find that Wild Bee's BBS Beekeeping FAQ system shares several home page's and that explains some of the 250 requests that come in each month for FAQ's from all over the internet highway. I know that most of you more then likely are doing net surfing from Window's programs like NetScape and that's the way to go. I will from time to time mention or pass on what I have found doing it from a less voyeuristic advantage with a minimal hardware set up, QMODEM in vt 100 mode and a well used old 14.4 bd modem, for those who also may find a affordable internet host like the MCI Telis system and are not sure if they want to get on the internet highway and don't do no windows as "no real bee man does windows". Just kidding girls, "no real bee person does windows". HINT #1, find the "Beekeeping Home Page" and move out from there. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, >From bahaus@primenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996 Article: 3452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nn tp.news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used honey color grader Date: 26 Jan 1996 21:56:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4ecb91$bs0@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: bahaus@primenet.com X-Posted-By: ip201.nmp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am trying to locate a used honey color grader similar to the one Kelley's has in their catalog. I've been "eye-balling" my honey to match colors and to blend different colors, and it's been fairly consistent for me, but I'd like to get it even more consistent if possible. Also, if anyone out there has had experience using a color grader, I'd appreciate hearing from you. >From sca@silvercity.mv.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996 Article: 3453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!wo rld!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: USDA Software Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:05:09 GMT References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:07:12 -0800 >Subject: index.html > >/USDA Software Archive > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > IT'S HERE! > > * Learn how to manage honey bee colonies cost-effectively while > maximizing profits! > > _________________________________________________________________ > >(IMAGE) Redapol > > Developed by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman et al. > A computer-based model simulating the interactions of weather, > bloom, and honey bee foraging activity that culminate in > 'Delicious' apple fruit-set. The model predicts the percentage > of blossoms setting fruit based upon weather conditions, > orchard de sign, tree characteristics, and honey bee colonies > per hectare. Now available in a complete archive (.ZIP file). > > * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located? I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the few search engines I managed to find came up blank on Redapol.zip. How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of earth-shaking software? Jon C. "I've got the time; just not the money" >From rbattle@servco.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:06 EST 1996 Article: 3454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintli nk.net!news.comp-unltd.com!InternetCo From: rbattle@servco.com (Ron M. Battle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info on top bar African style hives Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 09:56:54 GMT Organization: HyperBorea Studio B Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gln06.imt.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2.1 I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc. African style topbar hives. Thanx, -Ron rbattle@servco.com >From mcmarcel@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:08 EST 1996 Article: 3455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: mcmarcel@aol.com (MCMarcel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeycomb beeswax sheets Date: 27 Jan 1996 13:26:29 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4edqol$cpi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mcmarcel@aol.com (MCMarcel) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com If anyone who like honeycomb beeswax sheets for rolling your own candles ( in 40 different colors) contact me . They are wonderful because they are dripless & has a lovely scent of honey plus they are easy to clean your candle holders. E-mail me at: MCMarcel@aol.com >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:09 EST 1996 Article: 3456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesu que.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!fg1.plk.af.mil!news.zynet.com!imci2!newsfeed.int ernetmci.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:41:04 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1771A9644S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) writes: > >Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently >fed to bees during the spring time? > Pollen substitutes are relatively easy to make up, mixing soy flower with 2:1 sugar syrup. The dry ingredients (soy flour) used to be offered in Dadant's catalog (I imagine it still is, but am not positive) and came with an exact recipe. The bees will more readily accept the substitute if it includes real pollen (BusyKnight's advice about trapping and freezing your own is sound). If you have enough trapped pollen there is no need for substitutes, but soy flour is an acceptable way to stretch a limited pollen supply. Furthermore, pollen substitute patties are a good vector for delivering terramycin to your bees, following a similar dosage for Crisco patties (also in Dadant's catalog). Aaron Morris Upstate New York hobby beekeeper (12 hives, 20 years). >From dfranson@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:13 EST 1996 Article: 3457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Date: 26 Jan 1996 06:01:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tul1-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jan 25 10:01:58 PM PST 1996 The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F. If it not practical to cool the honey quickly then heat to 140 F. and hold this temperature for 30 minutes. Lower tempuratures (even for longer periods) is not practical because the honey will regranulate in short order. Higher temperatures will cause loss of flavor and a darkening of color. When heating honey from granulated state it is important to agitate the honey so that it is not burnt while heating, keep it stirred untill the crystals are gone. >From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:14 EST 1996 Article: 3458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ne wsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsreader.read.tasc. com!rhough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 26 Jan 1996 22:24:04 GMT Organization: TASC Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com In article <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com>, josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) queried: >What is *THE* comprehensive book? Ditto earlier responses regarding "The Hive and the Honeybee" - that is the "beekeepers bible" (IMHO) It is an excellent reference book, but very large and intimidating. For a good starting place, I like Richard Bonney's two books, although the titles escape me at the moment. Our county beekeeping organization has used his books as the text for our beginning beekeeping class, and they seem well received. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** --Insert standard disclaimer here-- >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Jan 27 22:41:15 EST 1996 Article: 3459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating honey ? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 01:47:57 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4eedk6$8rs@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.alban y.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal05-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Jon Camp wrote: > Most of the smaller >producers I know heat to 110 Here in Texas during July and August our smallest "packers" ALWAYS tolerate 110 :-) >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 EST 1996 Article: 3460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.u mich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: 26 Jan 1996 13:42:03 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4ealnb$cbh@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:ccoplan-2501961609190001@h-adamant.richmond.infi.net ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) wrote: >I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year, >and am NOT looking forward to doing that again. The bees DEFINITELY DO >NOT LIKE THAT. There really should be no more problem in requeening a hive than in any other normal beekeeping procedure. I usually requeen most of my hives every year, and find that the results are well worth the effort. However, one of the good reasons for requeening is to replace a queen that produces overly agressive offspring; therefore one has to deal with these very offspring when looking for their mother queen, and that can often be difficult. I like to do this as early in the year as is realistically possible so I don't have to cope with a huge hive population. In general, I find that small populations of bees are less aggressive than large hives. Another tip: Before starting to look for the queen, I separate the two (or sometimes three) hive bodies and set them apart. I notice which one has the most young brood, and start looking through the frames in that separated hive body first. That way, the queen can't run up and down the frames of the whole hive during the inspection - she has to be in one hive body or the other. Also, only part of the bee population only has to be disturbed if the queen is in the first examined hive body. Yes, requeening is a lot of hard work, especially in the spring, when my winter muscles aren't used to heaving hive bodies. But it is one of my most enjoyable times with the bees, for it gives me the opportunity to really see what each hive is like, and note the potential problems and strengths of each. Now, late summer requeening is another subject... Ted Fischer >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 EST 1996 Article: 3461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet! colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601270924241300@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <19960126155458EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> Lines: 54 E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) >Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able >to buy in??? Hello Victoria, I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years, but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let us all know. I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941 >from the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at 74512.2455@compuserve.com You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the internet, (hint, hint). This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods. Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway. Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or snail mail: P.O. Box 281525 San Francisco, CA 94128-1525 USA ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:17 EST 1996 Article: 3462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet! colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601270924241301@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 54 ---------------------------------------- E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) >Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able >to buy in??? Hello Victoria, I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years, but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let us all know. I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941 >from the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at 74512.2455@compuserve.com You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the internet, (hint, hint). This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods. Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway. Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or snail mail: P.O. Box 281525 San Francisco, CA 94128-1525 USA ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do >From afn19108@afn.org Sat Jan 27 22:41:18 EST 1996 Article: 3463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.uoregon.edu!ne ws.islandnet.com!usenet From: afn19108@afn.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Bees! Date: 27 Jan 1996 07:51:22 GMT Organization: Island Net in Victoria, B.C. Canada Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eclhq$ste@sanjuan.islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: meares.islandnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 32bit) Hi, The Bees! is an animated cursor scheme for the Windows '95 desktop. Drop the site and download the scheme. Animated Cursor Schemes for Windows '95 (tm)! objective is to eradicate the blandness of the Windows '95 (tm) mouse pointer. Won't you please help? http://www.islandnet.com/~wwseb/cursors.htm The only site on the Internet devoted exclusively to creating original, shareware animated cursor schemes for the Windows '95 mouse pointer! See you there! >From miksahf@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:32 EST 1996 Article: 3464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1 a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best strain of queens for resistance to tracheal mite Date: 28 Jan 1996 02:14:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4b1fbg$490@redstone.interpath.net> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast" David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms 35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996 Article: 3465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:34:48 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4e9llm$r2o@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal24-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) wrote: Paul, As an alternate consideration, you might buy (or build) a pollen trap and just trap *real* pollen to feed your bees. When I trap pollen during the pollen flow here in Texas, I can usually get about half a pound per day off just one hive. And the pollen "flow" lasts a couple of weeks so there's plenty of pollen to clean and sell too. The trap I use also does not starve the colony, in fact they seem to do better. I freeze the cleaned pollen in a chest freezer and it keeps very well. Of course I wouldn't bother cleaning the pollen if I was just gona feed it back to the bees. BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996 Article: 3466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!wo rld!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Yes Virginia, there is a dried honey... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 06:44:18 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 ADM, "food basket to the world", sells spray dried honey. I bought some a couple of years back. It comes in a couple of forms; w/wo maltodextrin,wheat starch, lecithin and calcium stearate. Most of these additional additives are used in the drying process or added after to deter caking. Comes powdered or flaked. The version I found the best contained maltodextrin, (no folks, it won't make you glow in the dark.) and was very soluble. Contact ADM (Archer, Daniels, Midland; a British Company, by the by.) at 4666 Faries Pkwy. Decatur, IL 62526 Tel. 217-424-7418 FAX 217-424-2473. It only comes in 50lb bags by the way, and ADM does have a minimum. Jon C. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:34 EST 1996 Article: 3467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:52:51 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4e9mni$r2o@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal24-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) wrote: >I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want >to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, >etc.) before I take the next steps. >What would be a good place to start? Larry, Questions like this are very hard to answer. There's been entire books written on the subject. First off, I trust that you're getting into it as a hobby. Beekeepers belong to a very small close- knitt group (along with kooks, lunatics, fools, etc., etc.) especially if you're entertaining the thought of "making money" at it. I would recommend that you start off with just a couple of hives, some good self-help books on mental health and a book or two on beekeeping. Start with a local club by all means (assuming there's one around you somewhere). Get to know a local beekeeper and don't let his/her ways scare you off. Order the catalogues from the beekeeping supply companies and read and study them. You can also plan to spend about 100 to 150 bucks to just get started. Make sure you want to do this....just think how much "store bought" honey you could buy for $100. Keeping bees ain't cheap honey BUT it is the BEST honey you can get! BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:35 EST 1996 Article: 3468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:07:48 GMT References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.alban y.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 I think the method used is quite common among commercial packers. The figure I was always led to believe was 160F, then a quick reduction to 110F via commercial cooling/refrig. units, then quickly bottled. Some packers (here in NH for instance) prefer granulated honey in drums, so that it may be liquified over a steam pipe grid, filtered through diatamaceous(sp)earth (while in a warm state) then quickly cooled and bottled. You might check with Swans in Maine or Dutch Gold in Penn. to see what their method might entail; provided they're willing to release such info. Some packers keep that information confidential. I don't believe many small producers would be willing to take on the cost of such flash heating and cooling equipment. Most of the smaller producers I know heat to 110 to filter, (via cloth)then cool to room temp. to settle for skimming, then to a water jacketed bottler to maybe 130-140F for 15-20 minutes, bottle, and cool back to room temp. I know of at least a half dozen beekeepers that use this method. Many will pack into buckets after skimming, and reheat or liquify for bottling when filling an order for bottled honey. Most of these producers are in the 3 to 15 ton area of honey production. >From perrot6f@micronet.fr Mon Jan 29 11:17:36 EST 1996 Article: 3469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math. ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: perrot6f@micronet.fr (BoggyB) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees photos Date: 28 Jan 1996 17:36:42 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4egc7a$bcs@chleuasme.francenet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp67.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Where can I find photos of bees ? Thanks in advance. >From amschelp@pe.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:37 EST 1996 Article: 3470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Search Date: 27 Jan 1996 16:57:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edlh4$4c0@nfs1.pe.net> References: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> <4e86f2$po1@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 >If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then >you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer. >You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets. >The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end >of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees >are collecting nectar on it. We have lots of orange groves here in Hemet, California, and when the trees are in bloom the marvellous fragrance floats far and wide in the valley. The obvious point never occurred to me, until you mentioned it, that it is the nectar of the orange blossoms that is giving off that fragrance. Merci beaucoup. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:38 EST 1996 Article: 3471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 1/96 Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:33:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 258 Message-ID: <4ednkr$org@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magazine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 1 January 1996 HONEY QUALITY IN THE TROPICS What is the best honey? That's an often-asked question for which there is no pat response. Answers can range from a short retort to a lengthy description. Honey quality lies in the eye of the beholder and taster. It's subjective in so many ways. That's why I don't enjoy judging honey shows. For a more in-depth discussion of this see ENY 129, Honey Judging and Standards. I will mail out copies on request while they last. Honey quality also is a matter of tradition. If one looks at apiculturally related activity in Europe, for example, a good deal of effort goes into researching honey quality and each country has a rigorous testing procedure. In the United States, however, honey quality often takes a back seat to management and other industry issues. A periodic publication on the Internet by Andrew Matheson, director of the International Bee Research Association (IBRA), reveals some current European thinking on honey quality. In December, Mr. Matheson attended a meeting on tropical honey organized by the group NECTAR, the Netherlands Expertise Centre for Tropical Apicultural Resources. Established in 1990, this non- profit association is a focus for people in the Netherlands working in tropical beekeeping and bee science (of whom there are quite a few). Speakers from nine different countries and a varied audience pooled their knowledge and experience promoting considerable discussion on the harvest, composition, processing, storage and marketing of honey in tropical apicultural systems. Because Florida lies in the subtropics, many of the issues addressed are also of concern in the Sunshine State. They are also important for those who would like to keep abreast of developments in the export market. Moisture: One of the biggest problems facing beekeepers in tropical areas is high water content in honey. This can push the product over the legal limit in many countries, according to Mr. Matheson. It also may be responsible for fermentation. However, Mr. Matheson continues, in some cases a high-moisture product, and even a fermenting one, is desirable. If marketing is (in simple terms) producing what the consumer wants, then fermenting honey can sometimes fit the bill. In some countries fermentation is a sign of honey's freedom from adulteration, unlike what Mr. Matheson calls that "squeaky-clean imported stuff" which has a dubious reputation for purity. In general, however, high water content is a problem for potential honey exporters, and often creates storage problems, Mr. Matheson says. Kwame Aidoo of Ghana gave the results of a small survey of honey being sold by 40 beekeepers who use top-bar hives. The average water content was 21.4% (range 17.6-24.0%). The water content can depend on season and region. It also varies with the plant species and even the kind of bee used. As an example, the water content of Apis cerana honey in Vietnam was reported as follows: eucalyptus 27%, longan 24% and jujuba 23.5%. Apis dorsata honey came in at 28%, while Apis florea was 32.2%; the latter two were observed four months after harvest, but unfortunately the details of the storage conditions were not supplied. And at times, Mr. Matheson concludes, it is impossible for bees to dry honey adequately. Although Mr. Matheson did not mention it, when the bees fail to take out the moisture, it may be time for the beekeeper to step in. Honey producers in Canada have been leaders in developing methods to dry honey in storage. Many even take the crop before it is capped and finish the drying job indoors. I published a resume of one technique in the fact sheet number ENY 130 entitled Moisture in Honey. Copies are still available on request. Other Quality Measures: The European market, according the Mr. Matheson, is especially sensitive to several quality parameters, especially diastase and HMF levels. Unfortunately, testing for these materials is somewhat expensive, particularly for developing countries. And sometimes basic analyses for sucrose content, even water content, are beyond the reach of some agencies. This could all change, however, thanks to work reported by J. D. Kerkvliet of the Netherlands, Mr. Matheson says. A series of five analytical methods, low in cost and simple to carry out, has been developed to check for: * Water content; * Invert sugars and sucrose; * HMF; * Pollen and sugar cane plant cells; and * Enzyme levels; These methods were developed as part of a Dutch-Nepalese project. After they were implemented in Nepal, there was significant improvement in honey quality. Mr. Matheson thinks those that analyze for pollen and enzyme levels are especially valuable tests that almost anyone can use to advantage. To test for cane sugar adulteration, for example, honey is centrifuged and examined microscopically. Even a few percent of cane sugar added will result in visible amounts of characteristic parenchyma, slereid and epidermal cells, as well as simple rings >from ring vessels, originating from the sugar cane stem. The test is not 'fooled' by bees foraging on the cut stumps of sugar cane. This method was written up in Apidologie 26: 131-139 (1995). For HMF, Mr. Matheson says, a relatively inexpensive 'Merckoquant' peroxide test strip can also be used to check for the presence of hydrogen peroxide in a honey solution. If peroxide production is at least 10 micrograms per gram per hour at 20 degrees C, then HMF is less than or equal to 40 mg/kg (with a 95% confidence level) and might even be below 20 mg/kg. Unfortunately this method has been written up only in Dutch (with an English summary): [Screening method for the determination of glucose oxidase activity in honey.] Ware(n)chemicus 24: 160-163 (1994). Dr Kerkvliet told Mr. Matheson he plans to write a paper on this in English. Fair Trade in Tropical Honey: Many may have seen 'fair trade' products, especially in Europe, according to Mr. Matheson. Coffee and chocolate are the usual products, but honey has now been added to this mix. This market segment is rapidly growing, and represents a real opportunity for beekeepers in some tropical countries. Mr. Matheson gave an overview of a presentation by Jos. Harmsen of the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair Seal organization. Mr. Matheson says it's important to realize that the Max Havelaar organization doesn't sell honey itself; it is a quality assurance body, promoting the 'fair trade' seal to consumers. It controls the licensees who use the seal and keeps a register of producers. The 'fair trade' seal system goes under the Max Havelaar name in the Netherlands, Trans Fair in some other European countries and Fair Trade in the UK. The concept began a few years ago, Mr. Matheson says, but the products were sold only in aid shops or health food outlets so market share was destined to remain small. However, the Max Havelaar organization, formed in 1988 based on coffee, now appears in 90 percent of supermarkets; in 1993 chocolate was added and honey in 1994. The organization works in 12 European countries now, and will be moving into two more during 1996. What constitutes fair trade? The Max Havelaar organization has developed a number of criteria, according to Mr. Matheson. It recommends buying directly from organizations of small beekeepers that are democratically run, thus giving producers a say in how the trade is conducted. And it emphasizes paying a fair price, which for honey is currently $US 1,550/tonne f.o.b. with a premium of $US 2000/ton for certified organic honey. It gives access to credit facilities, with up to 60 percent of the contract price available up front if requested, and enters into long-term contracts to ensure security for the producers. The 'fair trade' seal can be used on retail containers only if all the honey contained in them meets all these criteria, Mr. Matheson says. From promoting honey only in the Netherlands in 1994, and only there and in Switzerland in 1995, 330 tonnes of honey was sold under the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair label in 1995. With modest growth in those markets and the addition of Germany, the volume for 1996 is expected to reach 1,100 tonnes. Honey is the responsibility of the German office of the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair Seal organization: TransFair International, Am Ochsenberg 16, D-73614 Schorndorf, email tfi@oln.comlink.apc.org, fax (+49) 7181-65546, phone (+49) 7181-65417. Using the best evidence available, according to Mr. Matheson, only about 17 percent of the world's honey is produced in the tropics. There are several major problems involved: 1. World market prices are low; domestic prices are usually higher. 2. Only high volume is deemed exportable; few have the wherewithal to produce honey in quantity. 3. High water content, foreign matter such as impurities from the hive or the harvesting method, and adulteration with cane sugar are also potential problems. 4. HMF and diastase may also be elevated because of high temperatures. In spite of the problems, Mr. Matheson says, opportunities exist to increase trade. They are: 1) activities of the 'fair trade' organizations mentioned above and 2) the rise in organic honey. The latter, Mr. Matheson says, is growing in popularity. And it's no longer a matter of producing honey in untouched forested areas and slapping on an 'organic' label. Both producing and processing operations must be certified by an organization recognized in the end market (such as the Soil Association in the UK, Naturland in Germany and the VSBLO in Switzerland). Requirements vary between certifying bodies, but for honey they typically include these: * Bees must forage only in organically cultivated or natural vegetation that has been free of pesticides for at least two years; * There should be no conventionally farmed land within 6 km; * The colony should not be destroyed at harvest; * Only organically produced beeswax may be used in foundation; * No instrumental insemination is permitted; * No artificial products may be used for feeding the bees, nor any drugs administered; and * Finally, there are rules about packaging and processing. Accreditation for organic marketing doesn't come cheaply, according to Mr. Matheson. It involves a field visit for an African country--although some costs can be shared if several producers are applying-- plus several hundred dollars per year membership fee and a levy of 1 percent on sales. But the market is growing strongly, and is probably around 500 tons/year. REMINDER ABOUT 4-H ESSAYS Remember that 4-H Essays are due by February 12, 1996 and they must be forwarded to this office by a 4-H worker or official. See the September 1995 Apis for more details. MEETINGS IN FLORIDA Several bee meetings will be taking place in Florida in February: 1. February 10, 1996 will mark the second annual Empire State Honey Producers Association meeting in Florida at Archbold Biological Station south of Lake Placid. The phone number is 813/465-2571. 2. Two workshops are planned at the Clay County Cooperative Extension Service building west of Green Cove Springs, 2463 State Road, 16W. One for "beginners" is scheduled Saturday, February 17, 8:30 to 5:00. The other for "more advanced" beekeepers will be the next Saturday, February 24. Interested persons can attend both if sessions if they wish. There is a $10/person fee, which includes a catered lunch. Reservations for both workshops must be in hand by February 15, 1996. For more information, call 904/269-6355, 904/284-6355 or 904/473-3711. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (352) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 352-392-0190 Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From patrick@cyberport.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:39 EST 1996 Article: 3472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.ne t!news.cyberport.com!usenet From: "Patrick M. O'Hearn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA Software Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:20:06 GMT Organization: Bears Choice Honey Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edms6$522@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host2.cb.cyberport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) To: Jon,Camp The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson). The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov. The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. take care Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Aztec, NM email patrick@cyberport.com >From patrick@cyberport.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:40 EST 1996 Article: 3473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.ne t!news.cyberport.com!usenet From: "Patrick M. O'Hearn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA Software Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:20:24 GMT Organization: Bears Choice Honey Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edmso$522@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host2.cb.cyberport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson). The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov. The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. take care Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Aztec, NM email patrick@cyberport.com >From rshough@tasc.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:41 EST 1996 Article: 3474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeeder.read.tasc.com!newsread er.read.tasc.com!rhough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 27 Jan 1996 21:17:26 GMT Organization: TASC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com Follow-up on Richard Bonney's books (I looked last night...) "Hive Management : A Seasonal Guide for Beekeepers", Richard E. Bonney, 1990, Garden Way Publishing ISBN 0-88266-637-1 (pbk.) "Beekeeping : A Practical Guide", Richard E. Bonney, 1993, Garden Way Publishing ISBN 0-88266-861-1 (pb) I really like Dick's writing style - I find his work to be very informative, and enjoyable reading too! Rick A New England beekeeper with 20 colonies (last time I checked) **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** --Insert standard disclaimer here-- >From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:42 EST 1996 Article: 3475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unapproved Varroa Mite Treatments Date: 27 Jan 1996 23:07:47 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4eeb83$msg@argentina.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool020.max2.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Are Mavrik, Spur and other forms of fluvalinate, or formic acid, commonly used to treat varroa-infested hives in the U.S.? I realize these treatments are not currently approved for use with bees in the U.S., but does the cost difference provide a strong temptation for commercial beekeepers? How widespread is the use of unapproved treatments? Would appreciate learning from any speculation or knowledge on this. Public or confidential private E-mail. Thanks, John Caldeira >From scott@terraport.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:44 EST 1996 Article: 3476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!is tar.net!news1.toronto.fonorola.net!news1.toronto.istar.net!news.toronto.istar.n et!kowloon.terraport.net!archangel.terraport.net!saturn183 From: scott@terraport.net (Scott A. Binkley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beebread vs raw pollen Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 23:16:49 GMT Organization: TerraPort Online Inc. (416) 392-3050 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4ef1qh$9jr@archangel.terraport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn183.terraport.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Are there any experts out there who can tell me which is better, bee-bread, orjust plain bee pollen. I've heard that you cannot digest pollen, but once the bees ferment it, it can be digested. Is this true?? BTW you can Email me at: scott@terraport.net /sb >From dizzybeezz@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996 Article: 3477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1 a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Froth on top of honey Date: 28 Jan 1996 23:49:01 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ehjjt$7ti@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am new to beekeeping and honey extracting and packing. Why does my honey sometimes have a froth on top? It seems to only happen with crystalized honey that has been re-liquified. Is something wrong with it? I have been skimming it off the top. It seems like it would make an interesting component for a candy????? Does anyone know if it has any beneficial uses? >From Evol_Johnson@quorum.nacion.co.cr Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996 Article: 3478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws-relay.eworld.com!zdc!zippo!usenet From: Evol Johnson Winter Subject: Some Info Wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: usenet@news.zippo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp6.casapres.go.cr Organization: Zippo Message-ID: <310C5543.4734@quorum.nacion.co.cr> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:04:03 GMT Lines: 5 I'would like to know wich magazines or publications would you recommend for a beekeeping beginner. Evol Johnson San José, Costa Rica >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:46 EST 1996 Article: 3479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 29 Jan 1996 13:17:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4eihdi$49v@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> <4e8gl2$edb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf I like to recommend _The Beekeeper's Handbook_, by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable, Collier, 1986, ISBN # 0-02-081410-0. This might be hard to find, as it's out of print but I hear a new edition is on the way. Diana Sammataro is on the net somewhere...maybe she'll fill us in. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:47 EST 1996 Article: 3480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best strain of queens for resistance to treacheal mite Date: 29 Jan 1996 13:28:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4eii1s$4jb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4b1fbg$490@redstone.interpath.net> <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.c om> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MiksaHF wrote: >Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast" > >David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms >35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding Mr. Miksa's bees are pretty good for T.M. tolerance too! Adam (graduate student and hobby bee breeder) -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Mon Jan 29 11:17:48 EST 1996 Article: 3481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic. net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!pacifica.access.ch!gatezh5-0 5.access.ch!user From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info on top bar African style hives Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:36:25 +0100 Organization: ETH Zurich (Switzerland) Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatezh5-05.access.ch In article <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com>, rbattle@servco.com (Ron M. Battle) wrote: >I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc. >African style topbar hives. >-Ron rbattle@servco.com Ron, Try the following address: Bees for Development Troy Monmouth NP5 4AB England They also have an e-mail address: - 100410.2631@compuserve.com They have a video available as well as other information about topbar hives. These people are active in 3rd world countries as their name suggest and will certainly be able to help you. Good luck Hans -- ____________________________________________________ Hans-Ulrich THOMAS. Beekeeper & collector of books about: - bees and beekeeping - ants (yes these small little buggers!) - nature printing e-mail: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch CompuServe: 100045,2556 Fax: +41 1 633 10 77 ____________________________________________________ >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:49 EST 1996 Article: 3482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patty Recipe/Frame Soak Date: 29 Jan 1996 14:23:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4eil84$6eg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Someone asked me for these recipes and since I cannot find their address I'm posting them--remember, as with all recipes these work in specific areas: ask your local beekeeper friends what they use, first--check with your state apirist, apicultural extension specialist and/or county agent as well. The Frame soak is moot: I'd burn any frames if I had AFB...frames just aren't worth the trouble. My opinion though. ATTENTION: anything boiling is dangerous...be careful and use protective clothing. Extender Patty recipe: 15-18 TM patties: 6.4 oz(1 packet) TM 25 in 3 lbs sugar (either powdered or granulated) Melt 3 lbs Crisco (barely melt) let cool to point it is a little soupy, pour over sugar/TM mix, and mix thoroughly. Measure out 1/4 to 1/3 pound portions onto wax paper, squash patty flat and let cool (3/8 '' patty). Store patties in airtight container, as TM deteriorates in air. Freezing patties in container works well. --from David Lobdell and Steve Wolters, FLA Apiary inspectors. Frame Bath for AFB control Chlorine Bath: 4 oz. sodium hypochlorite : 100 gal H2O 1 gal Chlorine bleach : 100 gal H20 1 lb lye : 10gal H2O (all H2O is boiling HOT) Use at your own risk. good luck, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From ilr@the.link.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:12 EST 1996 Article: 3598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !news.bctel.net!news.island.net!usenet From: Irma Robson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I process cappings with ease? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:10:46 -0600 Organization: ILR Enterprises Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3122B246.2718@the.link.ca> References: <4f5dp5$dgd@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ilr.link.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win95; I) Joel Govostes wrote: > I have tried warming cappings to get the honey to separate out but this > really doesn't work in my experience. You end up with cooked waxy honey > and much of it stays mixed in with the cappings. I am surprised that you had difficulty in getting the wax & honey to separate. My Dad used to melt 5 gal pails of cappings till they were thoroughly warmed through. He had an insulator he put arround the pails to ensure even heating, and just let the pail of cappings warm over very low heat. I remember him stirring the contents to ensure **EVEN HEATING** toward the end of the melting. He poured the slurry through a cheesecloth filter, into the mould, which was also **insulated**. *** The secret here, may be to have the wax **COOL VERY VERY SLOWLY**. The separation of wax (on top) with honey on the bottom was excellent. A secondary result of slow cooling is a very smooth (show-quality) piece of wax. When the wax cools quickly, it buckles and cracks, & the honey gets into the cracks, & it is a mess to get cleaned up. I have very good memories of the smell of rendering cappings, and the pungent taste of cappings rendered honey. My favorite honey of all was the redish honey that you get under the wax in the mould. Homer.Robson@Develcon.com Saskatoon, SK, CAN. >From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:13 EST 1996 Article: 3599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!depot .mro.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!aiag.enet.dec.com!moore From: moore@aiag.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q: Beekeeping Groups/Associations in Ma. Date: 14 Feb 1996 16:10:09 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ft1h1$p56@mrnews.mro.dec.com> Reply-To: moore@aiag.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: zhora.enet.dec.com I'm planning to begin beekeeping this spring, 1 or 2 hives, and I'm trying to find a group or club in my area. Can anyone suggest one for Middlesex County, Massachusetts? I would be interested in used equipment as well. Thanks. >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996 Article: 3600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.new s.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: process cappings? What about "robber bees" Date: 15 Feb 1996 06:48:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4fv6if$oo7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4frm15$6up@nfs1.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4frm15$6up@nfs1.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) writes: >I will be sure that >my bee babies will never forage for actual honey, but only for the nectar of >flowers. It will be prohibited for them for as long as I am their husband! In view of the potential problems, this could be the wisest choice for many to not feed back wet cappings or supers. But never say never, when it comes to robbing. There is, after all: the housewife who puts an open, unwashed jar of honey in the dumpster, the spring deadout with LOTS of honey in the neighborhood (perhaps even in a tree or house), the hive dying with varroa that is too weak to defend itself, the hummingbird feeders that people fill with honey water (against recommendations), etc. It could even be the frame you dropped and stepped on, while working the bees, and the comb fell out, or the ones smashed beyond repair by bears (boy, can that make a robbing frenzy!!). Our wildlife people pour honey all over a bear trap, when they are trying to capture a bear (a dumb practice I've endeavored to stop). So there is always a potential for bees to rob, and sooner or later, during a barren time, they will. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996 Article: 3601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!no tt!cunews!superior!bhetheri From: bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca (Brian Hetherington) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees out on snow dying Date: 19 Feb 1996 14:59:58 GMT Organization: Carleton University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4ga39e$kpp@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: superior.carleton.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] second try on this one as someone said the was only a subject heading & no message................................... I live in western Quebec Canada, I am having trouble with bees leaving the hive on sunny but cold days but dying almost instantly. I know this happens on a small scale but I am loosing hundreds plus. Does someone know why ??? What can be done to prevent problem? Has anyone else experienced anything similar this winter ? -- Brian. H. >From dags@wimsey.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:15 EST 1996 Article: 3602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.u u.net!van-bc!pm030.bby.wis.net!dags From: dags@wimsey.com (Darlene Scribilo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy and the Law Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:44:29 GMT Organization: Wimsey Associates Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm030.bby.wis.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Time: february 19, 1996. 07:47 Apitherapy and the law As apitherapy becomes more widely used, apitherapists will require guidelines f or dealing with the legal aspects of the treatment of their clients. I am planning to publ ish a book on Apitherapy and the Law. I would like to hear from apitherapists, physicians and others who may have used bee hive products (bee venom - bee sting therapy, propolis, p ollen, royal jelly and honey) for maintaining and promoting health. Therapists who hav e been or know someone who has been involved with the legal aspects of their activities o f treating clients are invited to relate their experiences. I am hoping to receive information from as many countries as possible. The bo ok will likely include legal precedents, Medical and Alternative Practitioners Acts, th erapy guidelines for alternative therapists, information on practices raided by autho rities, confiscated natural remedies and related therapy equipments, insurance coverage of therapy, etc. In appreciation to those whose information I use, they will be acknowledged i n the book and will receive a complementary copy. If you have any comments about the book which would be of value please write to me. Thank you in advanced for your help. Michael Simics Apitronic Publishing 4640 Pendlebury Rd., Richmond, B.C., Canada, V7E 1E7 Ph./Fax: (604) 271-9414 dags@wimsey.com Please feel free to pass this message along to other individuals or groups who may have something to contribute. Please do not respond to this message through the list or news group, but instead e-mail or write me directly. Thank you. >From KQJT78A@prodigy.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:16 EST 1996 Article: 3603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mat h.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pro digy.com!usenet From: KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEES ALL DEAD -- RESISTANT MITES????? Date: 15 Feb 1996 15:25:36 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4fvj9g$q62@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I have/HAD 11 hives in S.E. Michigan -- last saturday it was 56 degrees, and, much to my distress, not a bee in site. I opened the hives -- every bee was dead, and they felt somewhat dampish, although there were no leaks, as my equipment is in good shape. It looks to me like trachael mites, but I treated in late September with Apistan Strips and with Menthol. I was wondering if anyone else had any experience -- are mites becoming resistant to menthol. Or, any other thoughts. I did have some Varoa this summer, but the Apistan has always taken care of that. We also had some fairly cold weather a few weeks ago, but nothing we haven't had before. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Dennis Yonke >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:17 EST 1996 Article: 3604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!adm aix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0901.cit.cornell.ed u!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Inspection List Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:43:57 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 3 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <4g6702$m1m@goofy.BrandonU.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0901.cit.cornell.edu Got to make sure developing brood is predominantly worker brood, too. Failing queen in spring will often result in drones being reared in worker cells, noticeable by domed cappings -- J. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:18 EST 1996 Article: 3605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.net99.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: !!!!Tremendous Opportunity for Recent College Graduate!!! Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 05:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <9602140708041410@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 10 B>From: bgb@ic.owatonna.mn.us >Subject: !!!!Tremendous Opportunity for Recent College Graduate!!! Darn, us Old beekeepers never get them good jobs. I guess I never will get the chance to make up my losses in the commodity markets, but judging by the address I would freeze to death the first winter anyway. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; >From dags@wimsey.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:19 EST 1996 Article: 3606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usene t.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!pm038.bby.wis.net!dags From: dags@wimsey.com (Darlene Scribilo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African Top Bar Hives Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:27:34 GMT Organization: Wimsey Associates Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm038.bby.wis.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] You may wish to check the archives from the Bee List, post me if you need the address. I seem to remember that last year, sometime between January and March there was a lot of info exchanged about these hives. You can also order a book from WICWAS PRESS (203) 250-7575 called Beekeeping for Beginners (Kenya and top bar hive and log hives) , 1988 softcover $10.00 by Kigatiira, K.I. Darlene dags@wimsey.com >From Homes@icis.on.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:20 EST 1996 Article: 3607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!maze.dpo.uab.edu!in fo.uah.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast. net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!bes.adm.icis.net!usenet From: Homes@icis.on.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FINANCING FOR AGRICULTURE Date: 18 Feb 1996 16:19:15 GMT Organization: CSC Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4g7ji3$nce@bes> NNTP-Posting-Host: t2a-5.lon.icis.on.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Hello: I would like to introduce our company, Pegasus Group International Ltd. The background of our principals at Pegasus is agriculture, and this is why we can better relate to your problems at hand. We can assist you in many ways for example; 1. Mortgage Financing 2. Equipment Leasing 3. Management and Accounting 4. Loan Presentations, Business Plans & Marketing Plans 5. Marketing & Creating New Markets For Your Products 6. Construction of Buildings & Building Design If you have any questions about any of the above information, please contact our office and we will be glad to assist you in any way possible. Pegasus Group International Ltd. Att: Vice President P.O. Box 2508 St. Marys, Ontario Canada N4X 1A3 Bus: (519) 284-0798 Fax: (519) 284-0799 Email: Homes@icis.on.ca >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:21 EST 1996 Article: 3608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mat h.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com! nntp.coast.net!news.net99.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbau r From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: crystallized honey Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 02:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <9602142053131417@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4f q2rr$ghg@tac Lines: 71 N>From: n4mwd@magg.net (Dennis Hawkins) >Subject: Re: When freezing honey, can you use glass? N>>killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) wrote: N>>>The subject really says it all. I always use canning jars >>>for my honey as they are available and cheap. To ward off >>>crystallization, I'm thinking of putting some of these >>>bottles in my freezer. Does honey, like water, expand when >>>frozen? Yes you can freeze honey and it will not expand and rupture most containers, if filled by weight they will not have honey to the top with most containers anyway. N>I thought that honey would crystalize when it got cold. Wouldn't freezing be >a self-defeating activity? No most honey does not crystallize because of cold, but if you want it to crystallize, seed it with crystallized honey and store in a cool room, 55 degrees F. is ideal. Frozen honey or honey kept in a refrigerator should not change at all, but honey that is kept at room temperature or warmer will change with time and become black with age. It is still good but not attractive on a hot biscuits, good in a pot of Boston Baked Beans. Honey in the comb on the bees that is subject to repeated natural daily heating and cooling does crystallize as this tends to speed up the process. The same thing happen's at home if you do not use the open container of honey and take it in and out of the refrigerator it will set up faster, plus the dust around the dining room table gets into the honey and also give the crystals some place to grow on. The moral of this is to eat up all the honey and buy more. In a honey house it is possible to delay the crystallization process by steam cleaning the walls, and ceilings, and everything else. The crystals that start the process are air borne and microscopic, and in time if not washed away will seed all honey that passes through the honey house. Few go to this trouble as crystallized honey once it's in the drum is not a problem for the producer and has saved more then one >from disaster when a drum or two was knocked over anyway. But it does cost money for the 2nd handler to melt the honey, which always results in some loss of quantity and quality. As far as I am concerned there is no better honey then real Sweet Clover that has been packaged to be sold as crystallized honey, and in some areas like New Zealand most retail honey at one time was sold in the crystallized state, don't know if that is still the norm. There are some honey's that don't crystallized, here in California we have SAGE honey that never will crystallize and in the south there is TUPELO honey. Many other honey's do not make attractive crystallize honey, one is Orange and one that can't be beat for it's natural smooth texture is Manzanita, much like Bon Bon cream, but it is seldom sold or labeled as Manzanita honey. California Blue Curl honey and Cotton honey make good crystallized honey. These last two get hard enough that they will support the weight of a man walking on it without leaving foot prints. I know because I once had a 1,000 gal tank set up, and had to cut the honey out with a square pointed shovel. I installed a coned shaped water jacketed heater in the tanks bottom the next season and never had that problem again. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... That the still murmur of the honey bee >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:21 EST 1996 Article: 3609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: PC & MAC users & BK- Economics,etc. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:16:41 GMT References: <311FBC72.6D66@cyberport.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Maybe you misunderstood... The programs SHOULD be cross platform compatable. The whole point was that one program ran on only one platform and the other ran on the opposite platform. That was my complaint. If you DON'T say anything to the developers, they will assume that ONLY one platform is necessary. Evidently there was a poll taken in the beginning(whenever that was) to find out what platform was most desirable. The general concensus was that Mac's had it all over PC's when it came to graphics, and we all know how we love our pretty pictures. The response I rec'd was that the poll might have been biased, since the majority polled were educational institutions. (Where most the Mac's hang out) Studies have shown that the general populace is PC oriented. So where do you aim your programming platform? Your guess is as good as mine; thats why I suggested that the issue be addressed. Let's face it Patrick, do you want to leave it to the politicians to decide where to spend our research dollars? Jon Camp >From votrenom@iprolink.ch Sat Feb 24 00:28:22 EST 1996 Article: 3610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!swidir.sw itch.ch!missile.iprolink.ch!portla25.iprolink.ch!user From: votrenom@iprolink.ch (votre vrai nom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: unsubscribe Date: 18 Feb 1996 18:51:46 GMT Organization: Internet ProLink Lines: 1 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: portla25.iprolink.ch unsubscribe >From jvgiga@public.ibercaja.es Sat Feb 24 00:28:23 EST 1996 Article: 3611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!chi-news.cic.n et!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!minerv a.ibernet.es!usenet From: jvgiga@public.ibercaja.es (jvgiga@public.ibercaja.es) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help me, please! I'm looking for.... Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:29:24 GMT Organization: Servicio IBERNET (Telefonica Transmision de Datos) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4gc3vd$eon@minerva.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.143.199.192 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I'm looking for manufacturers or distributers in US and all rest of american continent of: - Fumigation pumps - Wine and oil press - Accesories for farmer machinery Do you know name, postal address or electronic address of someone? All suggestions will be thanks You can e-mail me to: or reply in this group. Best wishes from Spain. >From honeybs@radix.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:24 EST 1996 Article: 3612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!n ewsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.radix.net!news From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thymol? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:08:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4g9p5e$k8e@news1.radix.net> References: <3125404A.376@pacifier.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin11.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 wallace cole wrote: >What is the news about thymol? Source? Usage? Is there a connection to >thyme oil? Thymol is not the same as Thyme oil. It is crystals not liquid. It is being tested by the USDA to treat for V. mites. The formula is: 75% Thymol 16% Eucaliptus oil 4.5% Campher 4.5% Menthol I think it is applied in a porus material such as a sponge. 20 grams per hive for ten days three times - 30 days total. greg >From ibm.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:25 EST 1996 Article: 3613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !in1.uu.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wholesale honey pricing Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:29:07 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1996Feb15.152907.4913974@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip153-44.on.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 While it is a little early to get excited about 1996 honey pricing, it seems we will be looking at $1.15- $1.25 can. per pound. This could change up or down, as some canadian buyers where caught short last year. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:25 EST 1996 Article: 3614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.c oast.net!news.net99.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New to beekeeping, looking for information Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <9602180733361439@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4g25hh$btu@news1.inlink.com> Lines: 100 D>From: denneyr@inlink.com (denneyr) >Subject: New to beekeeping, looking for information D>I'm very interested in learning the art of beekeeping. I know absolutely >nothing about it other than it seems fasinating. Any information on the prope >way to begin would really help. There seems to be so much to learn to do it >correctly. Thanks in advance for any advice. Answer in the newsgroup or email >me at denneyr@inlink.com ì”ì ì”ì ì”ì ì”ì MAKE.HONEY.FAST ì”ì ì”ì ì”ì ì”ì Do you yearn to have thousands, even tens of thousands of workers laboring for you? and (get this!) * No employee retirement plan expenses * No employee labor or union problems * No employee morale or sick leave problems * No employee heath care plan expenses * No EEO problems * No environmental or pollution concerns Yes, Yes, YES!... YOU can have it ALL - in the amazing world of ... BEEKEEPING!!! Yes friends, with just minimal effort and a capital investment, you can hold dominion over thousands of worker bees. They will toil endlessly to make honey, perhaps even hundreds or thousands of gallons of honey (isn't that sweet!) And once started, the little critters are self-reproducing, so the colony just gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and production just keeps going up and up! 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ORDER NOW: 209-826-8107 Wild Bee's BBS or WILDBEES.FAQ@BEENET.COM *(Offer void where prohibited by law or common sense. :-) **Money Back Guarantee: We guarantee you won't get your money back. -- Copyright Emery Lapinski (c) Limited use permission granted to Wild Bee's BBS (Andy Nachbaur) (c)by cassidy@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Jim Cassidy) --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:26 EST 1996 Article: 3615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!seismo!news.er.usgs.gov !stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.interne tmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!news bf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES ALL DEAD -- RESISTANT MITES????? Date: 15 Feb 1996 16:15:05 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4g07op$4em@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4fvj9g$q62@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4fvj9g$q62@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) writes: >It looks to me like trachael mites, but I treated in late September with >Apistan Strips and with Menthol. I was wondering if anyone else had any >experience -- are mites becoming resistant to menthol. Or, any other >thoughts. Late September in your area is probably too cool for menthol to work. I have never had much confidence in it anyway, and it is expensive and miserable to work with. (Don't ever rub your eyes!) When you get queens, make SURE your queen breeder does NOT treat for tracheal mites. His weak stock has thus been weeded out, and there will be some resistance in the remaining stock. After some initial experiments which were inconclusive, we quit treating for tracheal mites. We took our lumps, then bred from the best we had. Today, when I see tracheal mite damage, it is usually in something I've requeened this year with purchased queens. Some breeders are better than others, and some won't tell you the truth either. They'll tell you what they think you want to hear. One of the best, in my estimation, who is straightforward, and generallly raised darn good queens is * *. Oops .... I almost forgot all the listening ears. I might not be able to get queens when I need them. E-Mail me! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:27 EST 1996 Article: 3616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.new s.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: !!!!Tremendous Opportunity for Recent College Graduate!!! Date: 16 Feb 1996 01:58:47 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4g19v7$ga5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9602140708041410@beenet.com> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Right on, Andy at beenet Keep the weeds out of your garden!!! >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:28 EST 1996 Article: 3617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfee d.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PC & MAC users & BK- Economics,etc. Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:45:25 -0500 Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <312A6B25.3429@interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d125.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) On Tue Feb 20 19:10:00 1996, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >Our children who are sold Mac's by slick sales campaigns aimed at >school age kid's and special deals given to teacher's to use and push >Mac computers.. Nothing wrong with Mac's but next Sunday check out >the employ ment ad's in any metropolitan newspaper and see how many >job opportunities are open to people who can use, program, sell, or >do anything else with a Mac as compared to IBM. >Mac's have not even proved to be a good buy for the public now that >their inflated price has been reduced so they can compete with IBM in >the retail market, to the point that the company is going broke. This >suggests that they will go the way of TRASH 80's in the near future. Andy, I couldn't disagree with you more on your views about Mac's. Maybe another newsgroup would be better suited for this kind of talk? Respectfully, -Barry >From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:28 EST 1996 Article: 3618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne ws.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!cha mbers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Field test for trachael mites Date: 19 Feb 1996 06:03:23 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4g93rb$fv@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello everyone. I was wondering if there is a field test for trachael mites. Are there any tests other then disection for them? Thanks very much, Michael Chambers >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:29 EST 1996 Article: 3619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees out on snow dying Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:43:09 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4g7l3o$4d8@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4g62e5$1i4@bertrand.carleton.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal15-18.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca (Brian Hetherington) wrote: >-- >Brian. H. Brian, It may just be my news reader but I did received your entire message. In fact, I only got the subject line and no text body at all. Please repost your complete message. >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:30 EST 1996 Article: 3620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.oh io-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dial up-1108.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Inspection List Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:08:20 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 36 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <4g6702$m1m@goofy.BrandonU.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1108.cit.cornell.edu In article <4g6702$m1m@goofy.BrandonU.CA>, Dave Jurgens wrote: > I'm looking for a spring inspection list that are preformed on the colony > first thing in the spring.I would like to compare your list to > what we do.Your comments are greatly needed. > > > Dave > > e-mail jurgensd@common.net Here's what I come up with, for typical spring inspection: Flight activity (for given temperature) Colony alive? Moisture under cover? (Need more ventilation?) Size of cluster Position of cluster relative to food Presence of food (good to see 20+ lbs honey) Honey quality (not all solid granules) Appearance of dysentery Bees normally active? Presence of brood (all stages, and amount) Healthy appearance of brood Compactness of brood pattern Presence of pollen / pollen being collected? Condition of combs - straight, majority of useable worker comb Presence of mice or other invaders Visible varroa? Relative development stage of colony (how long til need more room?) General condition of wooden hive parts (what needs replacing) Position of hive (level, on solid stand, some tip for water runoff) Entrance clear of obstructions (lots of garbage on floor?) This takes little time to ascertain. Hope I didn't leave anything out... >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:31 EST 1996 Article: 3621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 2/96 Date: 19 Feb 1996 23:33:27 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 264 Message-ID: <4gb1c7$og6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magazine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 2 February 1996 ORGANIC HONEY?--RECENT DEVELOPMENTS At a recent honey sales seminar put on by the National Honey Board and the Minnesota Honey Producers, there was a great deal of emphasis on adding value to honey products. This idea was reinforced by Carl Loop Jr., president of the Florida Farm Bureau, discussing the October 1995 report of a task force of the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology (CAST) in his remarks in the February 1996 FloridAgriculture. According to Mr. Loop, besides helping producers, adding value to agricultural products would have many positive influences on the total economy. However, Mr. Loop concludes, this new "mindset" requires a change in how many segments of agriculture are presently doing business. Perhaps no challenge is greater for the agriculturalist than beginning to produce and market "organic" products. Reliance on pesticides, fertilizers and other non-organic inputs has been described as almost an "addiction" in many agricultural operations. A few years back, none of this would have been the case for honey producers who already had what many considered by fiat an organic product. But, ironically, the introduction of tracheal and Varroa bee mites has placed the beekeeper in the same position as those farmers who still rely on chemicals. The present control methods for these parasites appear to have greatly reduced the possibilities of marketing organic products from the hive. I continue to get inquiries concerning the possibility of producing organic honey, however. Other hive products also come under this rubric, including propolis, pollen and beeswax. It would be tragic, though because of honey's reputation not catastrophic, if the opportunity to sell value-added organic products was lost to the beekeeping industry. The possibility is real, however, and the industry should take note of recent activity on the organic certification front. Recent History of Organic Production: According to recent issue of Farm Aid News, Vol. 3, No. 20, December 1995, the use of organic materials in farm production dates back to the beginning of crop cultivation. However, non- organic farming has dominated our country's fields since the 1940s when synthetic fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides were introduced at relatively cheap prices offering large yield rewards. After several decades of this intensive production, farmers saw their soil deteriorate and their income shrink to below poverty- wage levels. At the same time, a growing number of consumers have become more aware of food safety issues and consequently are beginning to demand food grown without synthetic chemicals. This changing consumer demand has made it possible for many family farmers to earn a viable living from the sale of organic farm products. Historical records of organic farming trends are unavailable from the USDA, according to the newsletter, because this type of production has not been practiced on a wide scale over the past 50 years. However, private and non-profit organizations have begun tracking the progress and growth of organic production in the United States. According to a nationwide survey conducted by the Organic Farming Research Foundation (OFRF), quoted in the newsletter, most organic farms are run by family farmers. Eighty-four percent are sole proprietors or family partnerships. "The reason family farmers are responsible for much of organic production is because they are able to respond more quickly and innovatively to market demand changes than someone who has a lot of overhead," explains OFRF'S Bob Scowcroft. OFRF estimates that there are approximately 4,000 state and locally certified organic farmers in the United States and another 6,000 to 8,000 farmers who meet general organic certification requirements but who are not yet certified. It also estimates that the amount of farmland devoted to organic crops has increased ten-fold since 1980. On this acreage farmers grow a variety of crops, including vegetables, fruits, herbs, fresh cut flowers, dairy products, meats, grains and beans. Organic Products Price Driven: Organic crop prices vary depending on local supply and demand conditions, according to Farm Aid News, and premiums can range from 25 to 100 percent of the conventional market price. Research quoted from the Midwest Organic Alliance, for example, found that producers growing organic soybeans received three times the price paid to growers who sold non-organic. Greg Welsh, an Iowa Extension agent and advisor to organic growers in several states, is quoted as saying growers in the Midwest receive, on average, $14 to $15 per bushel for their organically grown soybeans. Likewise New Mexico farmer Martin Connaughton says he earns up to $2 per pound for specialty, organic potatoes, compared to eight cents per pound for non-organic U.S. varieties. Consumer Demand Drives Price: The newsletter also reports that a study by Rodale Press found in 1993 that nearly two-thirds of all consumers had tried organic produce, and nearly 90 percent said they would buy organic food consistently if it cost the same as non-organic food. Some 41 percent of those consumers surveyed were willing to buy organic produce even if it cost more. As a result, sales of organic foods have increased steadily over the past four years: Sales of Organic Food Products: Year Sales in Billions 1990 $1 1991 $1.25 1992 $1.54 1993 $1.89 1994 $2.3 Source: Farm Aid News quoting The Packer, October 24, 1994; PANUPS, July 12, 1995. Organic Standards: Unfortunately, the term "organic" means different things to different people, the reason Congress promulgated Chapter 94 of U.S. Code Title 7 concerning organic certification. Under this legislation, The National Organic Program in Washington, D.C., ph 202-720-2704, is finalizing proposed standards. Once published in the Federal Register, and after a comment period, these standards will be mandated to the states for their use. However it is not known when this process will be finished; the bill called for much of this to be in place as early as 1993. In the meantime, many states have gone ahead with their own programs. A listing of U.S. Organic Certifiers is currently available on the World Wide Web site: http://www.mother.com./agaccess. The State of Florida promulgated statute 504.22-504.36, the Florida Organic Farming and Food Law in 1990. It defines "organic food" as that labeled organic or organically grown, produced, transported, distributed, processed and packaged without the use of synthetic pesticides, synthetically compounded fertilizers, synthetic growth hormones or artificial radiation, verified by a certifying agent. A certifying agent must make application to the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. The Department's Division of Marketing and Development (ph 904-488-4277) has published a directory of licensed certifying agents and organic farms. According to my copy, there are seven agents who have certified 69 farms for a number of crops ranging from citrus to shitake mushrooms. Significantly, no honey producer or packer is among these. One of the Florida certifying agents is Florida Organic Growers and Consumers, Inc. (FOG), Box 12311, Gainesville, FL 32604, phone/fax 352-377-6345. This non-profit 501 (c)(3) corporation inspects its growers yearly. A call to their office revealed that they had no knowledge of any Florida organic honey certification. This is not surprising, considering the guidelines FOG has made available on a limited basis to those interested in the subject: A. Feeding of bees 1. Honey and bee pollen from a known certified organic source is permitted. 2. The use of sugar or sugar syrup as a regular feed source in prohibited. B. Control/prevention of disease 1. Hives should be regularly checked, with diseased hives kept separate from healthy hives. 2. Use of antibiotics in honey production is prohibited, except when the health of the colony is threatened. a. Options: i. If antibiotics are used in a health emergency, the hive must be removed and immediately taken out of organic production. ii. Only the extraction immediately following the use of antibiotics may not be sold as organic. 3. Extracting honey for organic sale from brood chambers in which antibiotics have been used is prohibited. C. Foraging areas 1. Apiaries must be located on certified organic land. 2. It is prohibited to locate apiaries within three miles of flowering agricultural crops that have been sprayed with conventional pesticides, if the bees could be using these crops for forage. 3. Apiaries may not be located within two miles of sanitary landfills, golf courses or major traffic areas. 4. Beekeepers must provide clean water and sufficient certified organic forage to feed bees throughout the season. D. Queen rearing 1. Cross breeding of bee families is encouraged, although the making of artificial swarms is permitted. 2. Artificial insemination is permitted. E. Honey treatment 1. All surfaces that honey contacts should be stainless steel or coated with beeswax. Honey may not contact galvanized steel or metal with surfaces that oxidize. 2. Mechanical uncapping of combs is preferred to uncapping with heat. In no instance should heat be higher than 95 degrees F. 3. Honey extraction facilities should be designed to prevent the spread of disease. 4. Oxidized barrels are prohibited; re-used barrels are permitted if previously used for food service. 5. Chemical bee repellents are prohibited. Those working at the National Organic Program Office couldn't give me details about the final guidelines. However, they could be very much in line with those above. If that is the case, there should be plenty of room for commentary by beekeepers and others when they appear in the Federal Register. Especially significant is the relevance of queen rearing to organic production, the absence of references to other hive products and the lack of any guidelines about tracheal and Varroa mite control. LOOKING FOR RESISTANT BEES The USDA-ARS Bee Breeding Genetics and Physiology Laboratory is looking for honey bees resistant to Varroa mites. Honey bees that have survived for more than a year without being treated and/or those in abandoned hives are ideal candidates. If you have knowledge of candidate queens, then do yourself and the industry a favor by contacting the Lab, 1157 Ben Hur Rd., Baton Rouge, LA 70820-5502, ph 504/767-9280, FAX 504/766-9212, email: trindere@asrr.arsusda.gov. Upcoming International Bee Meetings: Costa Rica: Sixth IBRA Conference on Tropical Bees, 12-17 August, 1996. Contact IBRA, 18 North Rd., Cardiff CF1 3DY UK, phone (+44) 1222-372409, fax (+44) 1222-665522, email:ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. Cuba: Apitherapy, Propolis, Honey Flora and Pollination, 21-24 August, 1996. Contact Adolfo M. Perez Pineiro, Estacion Experimental Apicola, El Cano, Arroyo Arenas, La Lisa, Havana, Cuba 19190, ph 84-5511, fax (537) 33-5086. Israel: Bee Products: Properties, Applications and Apitherapy, 26-30 May, 1996. Contact Dan Knassim Ltd., P.O. Box 1931, Ramat Gan 52118, Israel, ph 972-3-6133340, fax 972-3-6133341. Havana, Cuba Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (352) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 352-392-0190 Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:32 EST 1996 Article: 3622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne ws.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: _Apis_ 2/96 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:33:14 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4gcinr$k53@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4gb1c7$og6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-05.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > ORGANIC HONEY?--RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HOW Funny! Great, Thanks Adam -- I really needed the comic relief this Tuesday morning! :-) The author of the bee/honey section REALLY missed his calling provided he/she is not already working in "stand up comedy." BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:33 EST 1996 Article: 3623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01. news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEES ALL DEAD -- RESISTANT MITES????? Date: 16 Feb 1996 01:28:12 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 38 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4g185s$flv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4g07op$4em@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I also agree with Dave's pollination, I too, had many years ago found out that Acrapis Woodi mites were not always the cause of colony losses. Last week I had an NASA engineer stop in to watch us graft queen cells. He said every beekeeper around him sprayed that cancer causing stuff amitraz in their colonies and still have huge losses, he had none, I asked why? He said he reared his own queens from good colonies and fed Fumdil-B, that was 35 miles north of Huntsville, Ala. I'am in Florida and have been rearing queens for 35 years; have tried menthol one season for mites, with no change in honey production nor in wintering. BUT, I have fed Fumdil-B for 28 of the past 30 years. I have not had losses like others have said they did. In fact in the past 10 years I have the better colonies every year compaired to 20 years ago. I have KOH, slice and cut and read tracheal tubes. Many years ago I found the survey for tracheal mites a waste of time. It came to me real fast when one day a beekeeper 22 miles east of us asked me to come over to see his dead and dying bees due to tracheal mites. Sure, his whole yard was covered with K-wing bees, shaking, crawling, no winter clusolonies. I had him collect all the mite dying bees he could and place them into the alcohol ALL K-winged. At my place I KOH'ed them and read the tubes, YES 68% had Acrapis Woodi mites. BUT my question was What? What were the other 32% dying from that did NOT have mites??????? Logic tells me that the 68% that had mites were dying >from the same thing that the other 38% were that did not have mites. I have moved way on ahead and took care of the other problem that was killing bees (Paraylasis). The Apistan strips only work good if you place them in the middle of the brood area, also the active chemical in apistan can hurt bees if the temp. around the strip falls below 53 degrees and bees are close to the strip at that temp. Miksa Honey Farms, David Miksa PS. I'am all sold out of queens untill past 4/15/1996 and all sold out of bees. Keep the weeds out of your garden!!! >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:33 EST 1996 Article: 3624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When freezing honey, can you use glass? Date: 16 Feb 1996 13:41:25 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4g21i6$8lf@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4fq2rr$ghg@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/rshough-1402961304050001@rhough.read.tasc.com Just for the record, Mike Killoram was the one who asked whether honey would expand in a jar when placed in a freezer. My only comment was that it wasn't really 'freezing'. The comment attributed to me below was not mine. It was pasted in by incorrect editing. Dennis Hawkins was the person who asked if honey would crystalize when it got cold. >> In article <4fq2rr$ghg@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Steve Bambara > writes: >> I thought that honey would crystalize when it got cold. Wouldn't freezing b e >> a self-defeating activity? >> >> Dennis Hawkins >> n4mwd@amsat.org > >Nope - Honey crystalizes fastest in the low 50 degrees F (52 degrees >if my memory serves correctly). Any warmer _OR_ colder, and the >crystalization process slows. High temperatures will reverse >the crystalization process, but very cold temperatures just >freeze the process (sorry - couldn't resist the pun!) I'm not sure >what the actual temperature is for fully stopping crystalization, >but your average household freezer does a darn good job. > >Rick >rshough@tasc.com >a NE Massachusetts beekeeper > >I speak for myself today, not for my employer. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:34 EST 1996 Article: 3625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!corne llcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wholesale honey pricing Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 08:21:20 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1772F7583S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1996Feb15.152907.4913974@undefined> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <1996Feb15.152907.4913974@undefined> TTOWNSE@undefined writes: > >While it is a little early to get excited about 1996 honey pricing, it seems >we will be looking at $1.15- $1.25 can. per pound. This could change up >or down, as some canadian buyers where caught short last year. Hey, we're talking commodities here. The price you quote is what the market bears now. One can only speculate what the '96 season will produce. It may or may not be a good season for all and producers may be gearing up big time to cash in on the gravy prices available now. It may be the case that the market is flooded with honey by the end of the season and thoes expecting to cash in may find the market doesn't support the high prices come September. Personal advice, only invest what you can comfortable lose. For waht it's worth... Aaron Morris >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:35 EST 1996 Article: 3626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01. news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opposum oproblems? Date: 16 Feb 1996 10:28:54 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4g27rm$pe2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <1996Feb16.083116.7767@inet.d48.lilly.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <1996Feb16.083116.7767@inet.d48.lilly.com>, Mike Quimby writes: >My question is this: does anyone have problems with opposums messing >about with hives, similar in manner to skunks? There was no apparent >damage to the hives, and I suspect they were eating the discarded bees >in the grass in front of the hives. I think you are right. I don't think possums have enough in the brains department to do any serious damage. They love sugar though, and are a perpetual nuisance when feeding. They seem to get high on it. Ever seen a drunk possum? I've seen them dead, too (with smiles on their faces!). Did your dogs take care of the problem? Some animal tore up all my feeders in one yard last spring, and left most of the hives open to the rain, which happened to be a heavy one, and I lost almost an entire yard. I think that was more likely a coon or family of coons. It was not a bear, because no brood nests were disturbed. (We had bears in other areas.) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:36 EST 1996 Article: 3627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.net99.n et!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PC & MAC users & BK- Economics,etc. Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <9602161708591427@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <311FBC72.6D66@cyberp ort.com> Lines: 60 JC>From: Jon Camp >Subject: Re: PC & MAC users & BK- Economics,etc. JC>Maybe you misunderstood... The programs SHOULD be cross platform >compatable. The whole point was that one program ran on only one >platform and the other ran on the opposite platform. That was my >complaint. If you DON'T say anything to the developers, they Hello Friends, My own disappointment with educational and some government institution's beekeeping programs has always's been the same as yours with a different slant as I have found early on that Mac was the platform that much of their programing was done on which in my experience in the real world really limits the use of the program to the educational community and restricts the public use of programing by tax supported agency's. The university type beekeeping Mac programs have suffered from the lack of the type of review that could make them valuable assets to the beekeeping community and find little use because of it. The same can be said of programs that require Windows but not to the same extent as Mac. Our children who are sold Mac's by slick sales campaigns aimed at school age kid's and special deals given to teacher's to use and push Mac computers.. Nothing wrong with Mac's but next Sunday check out the employment ad's in any metropolitan newspaper and see how many job opportunities are open to people who can use, program, sell, or do anything else with a Mac as compared to IBM. Not that there is anything wrong with a Mac, said to at one time to have been the best platform for desk top publishing. But today's computers are used by most for multiple tasks, and the IBM compatibility is the standard with some version of agggggggh Window's. "Real beemen don't do no windows", but if you don't you sure miss all the beauty of the internet web and the advertisements to. Mac's have not even proved to be a good buy for the public now that their inflated price has been reduced so they can compete with IBM in the retail market, to the point that the company is going broke. This suggests that they will go the way of TRASH 80's in the near future. ttul Andy- _ _ ==| _ | | | _ Help who said )_) )_) )_) ===| __+__ / the world was )___))___))___)\ __|__ |___| |\ / round? )____)____)_____)\\ |o__| |___| | \ _____|____|____|____\\\__ |___| |___| |o \ \ 1st shipment of / _|___| |___| |__o\ \ HoneyBee's to / /...\_____|___|____\_/ _______\ __USA________/_______________\ o * o * * o o / ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| . ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^| . (c) | . Use at own risk, opinion's are not necessarily facts. | . | . --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The Spider and the Bee. Fable x. >From denneyr@inlink.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:36 EST 1996 Article: 3628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.flinet.com!news1.inlink.com!usenet From: denneyr@inlink.com (denneyr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New to beekeeping, looking for information Date: 16 Feb 1996 14:49:21 GMT Organization: Inlink Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4g25hh$btu@news1.inlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denneyr.inlink.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I'm very interested in learning the art of beekeeping. I know absolutely nothing about it other than it seems fasinating. Any information on the proper way to begin would really help. There seems to be so much to learn to do it correctly. Thanks in advance for any advice. Answer in the newsgroup or email me at denneyr@inlink.com >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:37 EST 1996 Article: 3629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: 13 Feb 1996 20:17:43 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4fqrl8$cnb@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Pardon me for using the newsgroup in this way: I was recently contacted for advice on setting up 2-queen colonies by Donald Franson, who evidently gave me a wrong e-mail address. Since I couldn't get back to you, Don, I'll post the info here, because it well may be of more general interest as well. The way I usually set up 2-queen colonies is this: In late April or early May I split the largest hives each into two hive bodies, separated by a double screen board, making sure there is a drilled hole (or other opening) for each front entrance. I let it sit for at least two days, but no more than four, so that I can easily spot the queenless half by the lack of eggs. Then I introduce the new queen into the queenless half-colony. I usually spray both the colony and the new queen with 1:1 sugar solution, then put in the queen still within the queen cage. If she is not released in three days, I open the cage and release her. If by any chance the new queen is not accepted by her half of the colony one can just take out the divider and recombine them. If however, the new queen is accepted, I let both halves of the original colony grow together for about a month, both producing brood until a large population is built up. Then, just before the main honey flow, remove the divider and just let the queens decide who should remain - it is usually the new one. Actually in such a large colony, the queens may not even come into contact for quite awhile. Each will continue to lay eggs and circulate through the hive until a chance meeting is made. The colony population will expand to a very large size - an advantage as well as a disadvantage. Usually I need three deep brood chambers to accomodate all the bees, and on top of that I stack up to six or seven supers (medium depth). As you can imagine, I need to set up scaffolding to be able to reach the upper supers - and yes, I have had fully capped supers all the way up to seven high! It is hard to work the bees this way, and perhaps one should extract honey sooner and just replace the supers, but I never seem to have the time earlier in the summer. The other disadvantage is what to do with all these bees once the honey flow is over. I haven't really been able to adequately work this one out. I'd like to take advantage of a fall honey flow, but if I don't get Apistan in on time -late August for me-, the entire hive will die out (as happened to me last fall). So the bees just sit in front on the hive after harvest. Occasionally they will even swarm in late August or early September! The advantage, of course, is honey. I often average about 200 pounds per colony, and have approached 300. It is fun to see and hear such a large hive working in the middle of a good flow! >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:38 EST 1996 Article: 3630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mat h.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!new s.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New to beekeeping, looking for information Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:40:16 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4g387v$j4f@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4g25hh$btu@news1.inlink.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal12-02.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 denneyr@inlink.com (denneyr) wrote: >Any information on the proper >way to begin would really help. BusyKnight offers his standard answer: If you have a bee club near you, join it. And if you don't then check with you county Ag Extension Agent (if you're in the US) or call up a natural history or wildlife museum and see if they know of any beekeepers in your area. Even check with a local fire department to see if they maintain a list of beekeepers in your area (a lot of hobbiest sign up for bee removals, swarm catching, etc.). Obviously, the objective here is to find someone who can give you some pointers first hand. Also start reading some books on beekeeping; there are lots of "how to" books on the subject. Go to your public libaray and see whats available. Order catalogues from the bee equipment manufacturers and read them. Then jump right in and get stung a few times... Have fun! BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:38 EST 1996 Article: 3631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.net99.net!holonet!colossus .holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone Traps Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9602160640481423@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4fjgj9$ia6@news-f.iadfw.net> Lines: 75 JC>From: Jon Camp >Subject: Re: Lookin' for Bee Equipment JC>> Does anyone know why this method and piece of equipment fell out of >>favor? JC>Yes, because a virgin queen and accompanying swarm of workers >will slip through it like butter, and the "queen" trap is just >as effective at catching and filling up with drones, as it is >with queens. I have one sitting on a shelf (next to a solid Hello Bee Workers, Those old queen traps, or more appropriately called "drone traps" now are still useful in that they can be used if for nothing else in the late spring when drones are numerous to catch handfuls to examine for vampire mites. The normal host for vampire or varroa mite are the drones and in most bee hives the initial infestation will come with drones drifting in from infested hives which may be miles away. The drones themselves are marvelous creatures to study and all is not yet know of there habits. One fun thing that any beekeeper can do is to give the queen free access to drone foundation in the spring. You will be amazed at how fast the bee's will draw it out on very little honey flow and how little of it will be used by the queen, but of course you will get more drones early and nice a few nice full frames if you use 3/4 depth or shallow frames. But I suspect that the total number per season will not be that much more then if your bee's did not have drone foundation. Another fun thing that will amaze you and your friends is to seal the hive up for a month in the spring so that the drones can not get out, quite common if you have ever collected pollen. Then on a nice warm afternoon when you know virgins are flying, open the hive by removing the top, but stand back...Nature will take it's course and like fuzzy faced youths they are will leave the hive by the thousands in mass, with a roar that will cause you and your friends to take cover, and they will disappear in a cloud never to bee seen again, at least in that hive. I can tell you for sure few come back because I have waited to see them more then once, and it is easy to understand if you have ever watched them take off with out any great effort like a worker bee or even a virgin queen that can be watched as they fly in almost circles which could be assumed to be collecting visual signals so they can find their way back to the right hive. You can also get a can of spray poster paint, the non-toxic type and spray a ga'zillion drones from one good drone producing hive a light color like white, or blue, or even yellow that will make them easy to see among the worker bees. I time this to catch the young drones before they are mature enough to leave the drone mother hive. Hint; when the drone brood is sealed put it in a super above an excluder so you can find them to spray mark them without doing all the worker bee's at the same time. don't forget to remove the excluder so they can get out and fly. You can also use other things, like fine flour or chalk to mark them depending on how long you want the marks to last. The spray paint does not seem to harm them and last's a long time. Anyway the whole idea was to see how far the drones from one hive would drift and into how many hives, swarms, and so on.. You will be amazed and your neighbor beekeepers will be amazed, do this a few time's and someday some old timer will be telling stories like this about the time he caught this huge swarm of bee's and all the drones were different colors, not just yellow, and blacks, but reds, whites and blues.. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee enclosed and through the amber shown, >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:39 EST 1996 Article: 3632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-ne ws.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vta ix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in School Date: 21 Feb 1996 12:16:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4gf2fn$igl@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4ge4h5$pjb@news4.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4ge4h5$pjb@news4.digex.net>, Anne Glick wrote: >A few years I visited a science center that had installed into a room >a plexiglass bee hive that had a PVC pipe to the outside. I was >fasinated. Now that I have a classroom with a window I would also like >to introduce my environmental science students to the life of bees. >Does anyone have plans on how to build an indoor bee hive viewing >system? > * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To_ -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From NateS@svi.org Sat Feb 24 00:28:40 EST 1996 Article: 3633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.h p.com!hp-pcd!hplabs!unix.sri.com!news.Stanford.EDU!smart1.svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving a hive Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:00:14 -0800 Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <312D65FE.3C70@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsy.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Need some advice... I started up a hive last summer and would like to move it to a more convenient location. The problem is that the new location is only about 1/4 away and maybe 50 ft change in elevation. It's physically impossible to move the hive a few feet at a time, and extremely difficult to move the hive away for several weeks and then return it to the new location. I remember reading a post about moving a hive a short distance and then placing grass at the front enterance which supposedly informed the bees that something has happened and they re-orient. Anybody try this? Are there any other methods for moving bees short distances? Your experiences would be appreciated, nate Palo Alto, CA >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sat Feb 24 00:28:43 EST 1996 Article: 3634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne ws.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 23 Feb 1996 15:21:07 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4gkm13$mqa@news.sandia.gov> References: <312D65FE.3C70@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: NateS@svi.org Nate, I have moved hives short distances (25 feet) and found the work force bees finding thier way to the new location without any difficulty (less than 30 minutes). Once you move the hive watch the entrance. You should see a bunch of bees fanning like crazy to spread the hive odor. I've always made my moves in the afternoon. By evening I have not seen a single lost bee at the old location. I do not reduce or block the entrance. This also applies to combining hives. If the odor wasn't enough, how would a swarm stay together? Best of luck to you and your bees, Victor Albuquerque, NM >From 103422.1531@CompuServe.COM Sat Feb 24 00:28:44 EST 1996 Article: 3635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfee d.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuser ve.com!news From: James J. Gormley/Editor-in-Chief <103422.1531@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE POLLEN Date: 23 Feb 1996 15:32:24 GMT Organization: Better Nutrition magazine Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4gkmm8$b7b$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: BETTER NUTRITION Magazine has some excellent recent articles on "products from the hive," including royal jelly. FYI. >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Feb 24 00:28:45 EST 1996 Article: 3636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!n ewsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1223.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Administering Fumidil / syrup only? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:38:03 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 15 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1223.cit.cornell.edu Has anyone come up with an idea for incorporating fumagillin in patties, such as Terramycin/sugar/crisco patties? I presume it would be contrary to directions, but feeding syrup in outyards is a real pain. I used to feed medicated syrup at home, but now with multiple yards it's not practical, especially in the muddy mess of early spring. My colonies rarely need additional food that time of year. So I wouldn't be feeding as regular spring practice anyway. Dr. C.L. Farrar always made a big point about the effects of nosema, yet little attention is focused on it today from what I can tell. Results >from treated vs. untreated colonies are quite significant, if you go by the research quoted by Mid-Con when they advertise Fumidil-B. Treat, or save your money?? Is this just another way of mollycoddling bees that aren't genetically able to cut it in their environment? Opinions? Thanks >From ibm.net Sat Feb 24 00:28:46 EST 1996 Article: 3637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.bright.net!chi -news.cic.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undef ined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees on show dying Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:15:44 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1996Feb21.231544.3437151@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-153-27.on.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Sorry, but it sounds like tracheal mite could be you problem, better test. >From wcole@pacifier.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:47 EST 1996 Article: 3638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pa cifier!usenet From: wallace cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: online magazine interview for bee keeping? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:37:09 -0600 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31253F55.6B7E@pacifier.com> References: <4ercul$p7u@sanjuan.islandnet.com> Reply-To: wcole@pacifier.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip84.van3.pacifier.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) As you all may know, there is a School-to-Work movement sweeping the country that may (I hope) reach beekeepers. Many of us are graying and would like to introduce students to this profession. The rewards are many. I am aS2W liason for a high school and would like to push this. Precautions of course would need to be taken, but I find no restrictions in the laws listing this as restricted or hazardous. Wally Cole >From wcole@pacifier.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:49 EST 1996 Article: 3639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pa cifier!usenet From: wallace cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thymol? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:41:14 -0600 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3125404A.376@pacifier.com> Reply-To: wcole@pacifier.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip84.van3.pacifier.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) What is the news about thymol? Source? Usage? Is there a connection to thyme oil? >From wcole@pacifier.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:50 EST 1996 Article: 3640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pacifier!usenet From: wallace cole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thymol? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:41:52 -0600 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Lines: 2 Message-ID: <31254070.2E5A@pacifier.com> Reply-To: wcole@pacifier.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip84.van3.pacifier.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) What is the news about thymol? Source? Usage? Is there a connection to thyme oil? >From dfranson@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:50 EST 1996 Article: 3641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opposum oproblems? Date: 17 Feb 1996 05:22:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4g3on1$o9l@reader2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tul1-12.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Feb 16 9:22:41 PM PST 1996 In Oklahoma we have both skunks and Opossums. They will scratch the front of the hive and then eat the bees when they come out. Get a carpet tack strip from the hardware store and cut to fit the landing board of the hive then tack or nail it down tacks up. That way when they reach up to scratch the front of the hive they get stuck and leave rather quickly and the tackstrip does not bother the bees at all. >From krack@habicht.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de Wed Mar 20 12:19:01 EST 1996 Article: 3736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!fu -berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.unibw-muenchen. de!news From: krack@habicht.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de (Klaus Krack) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treatment of the varroa bee mite with formic acid Date: 1 Mar 1996 08:54:34 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Geodaesie Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4h6e0a$56v@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Reply-To: krack@habicht.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: bussard.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de Keywords:vorroa bee mite In the journal Bayerisches Bienen Blatt (ISSN 0724-8557) No.1/1996 I found the following notice from Eduard Wimmer, Spitzwegstrasse 6, D 84453 Mühldorf: Using an evaporator which has just the size and form that it can be placed in a frame, you can succeed to get rid of the varroa mite for 95%. The evaporat or must be filled with a clean 60% formic acid. You need about 10g per day and frame and you have to put the evaporator at the side of the brood nest. It should be leaved in the beehive for about 10 to 12 days. The evaporator comes with two different wicks (18 cmxcm and 40 cmxcm) to be used according to the temperature outside and in order to get a concentration of about 10 ppm of formic acid in the whole hive. The treatment should be done when the honey has been taken out in august and a second time at the end of september. No negativ effects are indicated. Has anyone already experienced this method? >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:01 EST 1996 Article: 3737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2. cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.i nternetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.um ich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmcc abe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Date: 4 Mar 1996 16:18:57 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4hf55h$laf@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com Keywords: extracting I have a few hives as a hobby. The last time I extracted honey I used an extractor without a cover -- spattered honey everywhere which resulted in every bee in the township converging on me. I usually do the extracting outside since I have no enclosed building suitable for this activity. Would doing the extracting at night help avoid the influx of bees? Has anyone done extracting at night outside? -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything above this line is my opinion, even my name. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-845-1133 Driver Information & Controls Software FAX: 313-323-6699 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From sasha@icanect.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:02 EST 1996 Article: 3738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uu net!in2.uu.net!news.icanect.net!news From: sasha@icanect.net (not tellin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INDOOR HIVE Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 07:15:18 GMT Organization: Internet Communications of America Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ascend01-21.icanect.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Ihave often thought it would be interesting to built a indoor hive in the form of a bookcase. this would be a wonderful sourse of entertainment and a great conversatton piece. this is not am original idea, I have seen a indoor hive before. Does anyone know if this would be too difficult a project for my first hive???????????? And does anyone know how far they will travel through a pvc pipe,and what diameter is best? Don'y worry if I ever do this the display will be of substantial construction and with thick glass. Any information will be appreciated. sasha@icanect.net miami,fla. >From stpauls@rmplc.co.uk Wed Mar 20 12:19:03 EST 1996 Article: 3739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ta nk.news.pipex.net!pipex!peer-news.britain.eu.net!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!rmplc!n ews From: stpauls@mail.rmplc.co.uk (St Paul's School) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone Ever Try Buckfast Bees? Date: 6 Mar 1996 10:23:48 GMT Organization: ITC Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4hjp3k$k42@spider.rmplc.co.uk> References: <4h345k$psj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Reply-To: stpauls@rmplc.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: brumpop-30.rmplc.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article <4h345k$psj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, rnoak@access.texas.gov says... > >Any luck with Buckfast? >What are the pros and cons? >My E-Mail ain't working now, so please post here. > >Thanks, > >Chris Noak >Austin, Texas I have not tried them personally, but a couple of years ago I went with a group of fellow beekeepers to Buckfast Abbey, the home of the Buckfast bee, They are very calm very hard working, and nice to handle. Some 10 of us watched and handled 6 or 7 hives, some of us had veils on but they were not needed! If you would like more information, Email me. >From adamf@.unc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:03 EST 1996 Article: 3740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!!adamf From: adamf@.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 vs. 10 frames Date: 6 Mar 1996 20:46:54 GMT Organization: SunSITE at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4hktju$1vhe@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <1996Mar03.151844.8102536@undefined> NNTP-Posting-Host: calypso-too.oit.unc.edu In article <1996Mar03.151844.8102536@undefined>, wrote: >I don't believe that there is more drone comb with nine framers. Nine is the easier way to go--kill less bees and they draw out the comb further. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apicultural and Beekeeping Archives adamf@sunsite.unc.edu >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:03 EST 1996 Article: 3741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uu net!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic honey Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 08:56:47 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4hk3lt$5ah@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4h5e5h$jj8@sulla.cyberstore.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal05-17.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 frankb@cyberstore.ca (Frank Battistolo) wrote: >I recently saw some jars of organicaly grown honey! in a health food >store.Can somebody explain to me what it is? Perhaps you're asking the wrong people. Maybe you should go back to the health food store and get the address off the label and fire off a letter to them, asking them "what it is". BusyKnight Dallas, TX P.S. -- I would be interesed to know what they say. >From muench@ifgb.uni-hannover.de Wed Mar 20 12:19:04 EST 1996 Article: 3742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!fu -berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rw th-aachen.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!news From: Hartmut Muench Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: 4 Mar 1996 22:02:23 GMT Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4hfp9f$8n5@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> References: <312D65FE.3C70@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: h02.ts1.uni-hannover.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) wrote: >There's another method you can try if possible: > >Move the hive to a new location (at night when all foragers are home). >Make sure the location is say 3 or more miles away. Then another night >after a week or so move the colony to the preferred location. They will >re-orient and not return to the original site. It should be pretty easy >to find a spot to put them temporarily -- try a relative or friend's >place. This method is easy and reliable. I' sorry to tell You that it is not that simple to move hives to new locations within a circle of 4km. Elder bees will recognize the former known environment and will return to their wellknown place of hive, where they have learned to find back in the old days. So You have to wait with bringing back the old hive until the last foraging bees have died. This can take You as much time as long as 3 months! I've had my experiences with this problem for a couple of times. >From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Wed Mar 20 12:19:04 EST 1996 Article: 3743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.mon ash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!dialup-6704 From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Repellents Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 19:38:59 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4hfre6$g0r@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.74 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Down here in Oz we are not permitted to use any repellents to drive the bees off the honey, must use escape boards, blowers or shaking. Rumour has it that there is a new repellent just come into use in USA, approved by US regulatory authorities. Is this true and, if so, can anyone tell me anything about it? Cheers Peter Murphy Tamworth New South Wales, Country Music Capital of Australia >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:05 EST 1996 Article: 3744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:57:56 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4hg0m4$m4r@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4hf55h$laf@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal17-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) wrote: > Would >doing the extracting at night help avoid the influx of bees? Has anyone >done extracting at night outside? Yep! Thats the way I do it. Let me explain the setting: It's not exactly outside but I do open up the barndoors. I do my extracting at night and usually invite another beekeeper or two over (and their supers, of course). And we have an all night party! They help me uncap and I help them. Usually the other beekeepers don't have their own extractor and are more than willing to help me in trade for letting them use my extractor. I clean up my own equipment afterwards which really isn't any more messy after 40 supers than 80 supers. Also, I get to keep the cappings wax! I usually invite a new beekeeper who is looking for help and experience anyway and another who has been with me for several years now. I start in around sundown and the lights at night don't cause any problems. Just be sure that you've got things put away (or at least covered up by sunrise!). BusyKnight Dallas, TX P.S. - Besides, extracting at night allows the temperature to 'cool' down to 95 deg F so that I can call my honey "organic". BusyKnight busykngt@airmail.net ICBM INcode:N:32.45'W:96.45' Republic of Texas Space Station - $11 Billion and counting.... And not the FIRST piece of hardware in orbit! >From jwg6@cornell.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:06 EST 1996 Article: 3745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!ne ws.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu !dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester !cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1016.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving a hive Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 07:41:20 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 8 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <312D65FE.3C70@svi.org> <4hfp9f$8n5@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1016.cit.cornell.edu Sorry this hasn't worked for you -- I understand your point, but still, I've had luck with this method several times. I have seen some bees return to the old (temporary) site, but interestingly enough, they were all DRONES, which indicates that they either fly further or have a better mark on their old location. Incidentally, in my case the bees were moved to the other side of a lake (1 km wide) so if they were using the lake as a landmark I would expect many bees to return. Haven't had it happen, tho'. Thanks for your additional input >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:06 EST 1996 Article: 3746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!ne ws.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wild bee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild Bee's FAQ list for M Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603011714001504@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 78 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... How doth the little busy bee >From tvf@umich.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:06 EST 1996 Article: 3747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.inte rnetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INDOOR HIVE Date: 6 Mar 1996 16:05:24 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4hkd44$52k@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net sasha@icanect.net (not tellin) wrote: > > >Ihave often thought it would be interesting to built a indoor hive in >the form of a bookcase. >And does anyone know how far they will travel through a pvc pipe,and >what diameter is best? I have had *limited* success with an observation hive that I maintained for sev eral years at an orchard store, where I also have a beeyard. I learned much from experien ce, most of it bad experience. Whereas the bees will go through quite a length of tubing to get to the outside, when it gets hot in summer it is very hard to ventilate properl y unless the tubing is close to the outside air. I used about 3 feet one year, and had all the bees die out after a promising start. And they died at just about the time that numerous cu stomers were coming to the orchard store! This was not fun to explain. I would suggest kee ping the tubing length just as short as possible - open directly behind your observation hive if you can. I used 1 1/2 inch diameter tubing, which is just about right. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:07 EST 1996 Article: 3748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!spoo l.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.c om!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic honey Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 20:47:27 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4hioua$68e@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4hijug$69t@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal09-15.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 frankb@cyberstore.ca (Frank Battistolo) wrote: >Still trying to find out what is? Frank, I guess nobody knows! >From tom.doak@genetics.utah.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:08 EST 1996 Article: 3749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc. edu!news.cc.utah.edu!5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu!tom.doak From: Tom Doak Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package bees Utah? Date: 7 Mar 1996 20:34:26 GMT Organization: UofUtah Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4hnh8i$331@news.cc.utah.edu> References: <4h79se$m3j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5c453mac1.genetics.utah.edu X-Newsreader: Nuntius Version 1.2 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:37:45 GMT Subject: Re: Package bees Fla/GA. ? From: Theodore V. Fischer, tvf@umich.edu Date: 1 Mar 1996 21:48:40 GMT In article <4h7rbo$o2t@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Theodore V. Fischer, tvf@umich.edu writes: Hi, I was given a bee kit this year, and am wondering where to order bees from. Any suggestions? Who ships to Utah, are there suggested bee types? My interest is in bees that take care of themselves, not in max. production. Any help, advice, and general flack is wlecome... Tom Doak /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\x\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ U of Utah SaltLakeCity, UT tdoak@genetics.utah.edu >From b-man@aliens.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:08 EST 1996 Article: 3750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!NewsWatcher!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neem treatment/mites Date: 7 Mar 1996 22:52:45 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.190.82.228 There was an article on research regarding neem(bio-pesticide grown in India)in the American Bee Journal last fall. The researchers were using Neem oil in the form of Margosan-O. Evidently the bees did very well in terms of honey production, etc. I believe the application was 6 ml fed in syrup. We fed some hives last fall and are looking forward to examining the hives as soon as the snow pack is down. Plans are to continue with the treatment on 50 to 100 units (off-season to prevent contamination) this spring. We have tried homeopathic remedies, in the form of bio-plasma and silica. It's difficult to measure success. Wintering losses have been at about 15% the last few years. Can't complain for a northern climate(north Michigan). The mint family oils look promising. We'll try some this year in conjuction with apistan. We're still doing menthol in late spring/early summer. If anyone has had any ideas in regards to mite control/research, please e-mail me at B-man@aliens.com >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:09 EST 1996 Article: 3751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!in2.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Redwood frames Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 20:35:37 -0500 Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 13 Message-ID: <313F8EE9.5C5F@interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d203.nb.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I would like to know if anyone has information or experience regarding the use of redwood for making frames. I am wanting to make some more frames for this year and have some redwood on hand for that purpose. I was wondering if the redwood would be a natural repellant to the bees in which case I would not want to use it. It's great wood to work with and very strong. I would hate to go to all the trouble to find out in the end that it would affect the bees in a negative way. I don't need comments telling me it's cheaper just to buy the frames. I'm well aware of that! Thank You. Barry >From frankb@cyberstore.ca Wed Mar 20 12:19:09 EST 1996 Article: 3752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!chi-news.cic.net! ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!helix.net!news.cybertsore.ca!usenet From: frankb@cyberstore.ca (Frank Battistolo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic honey Date: 5 Mar 1996 23:49:36 GMT Organization: Cyebrstore Systems Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4hijug$69t@scipio.cyberstore.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yyj-ppp-6.cyberstore.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Still trying to find out what is? >From plbeeco@gnatnet.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:09 EST 1996 Article: 3753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bill.gnatnet.net!usenet From: karen wachlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package bees Fla/GA. ? Date: 6 Mar 1996 02:47:58 GMT Organization: GnatNet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4hiucu$r81@bill.gnatnet.net> References: <4h79se$m3j@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialupb21.gnatnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: dzebroski@aol.com Concerning your inquiry, Plantation Bee Company, PO Box 24559, St. Simons Island, Georgia 31522 raises queens and sells packages and nucs in SE GA. which can be sent by mail. All queens are mated on an island located off the coast of Georgia. I know quality and service are good - it's my company. >From kl@mailbox.ffc.se Wed Mar 20 12:19:10 EST 1996 Article: 3754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.resto n.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news1.transpac.n et!news2.transpac.net!news.ffc.se!news From: kl@mailbox.ffc.se (Kurt Larsson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Tenerife Date: 6 Mar 1996 11:32:58 GMT Organization: HK HB Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4hjt5a$108@uh1.ffc.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem10.ffc.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Im going to visit Tenerife 96-03-17 to 96-03-30, and I would be glad to visit a beekeeper near Los Cristianos. My name is Kurt Larsson email kl@mailbox.ffc.se >From Beehaven@msn.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:10 EST 1996 Article: 3755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Beehaven@msn.com (Michael Broffman) Subject: RE: INDOOR HIVE Date: 8 Mar 96 23:02:21 -0800 References: <4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net> Message-ID: <0000204a+000006d7@msn.com> Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.msn.com!msn.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Lines: 10 To Not tellin; There's an indoor hive in the Coyote Museum in South San Francisco, California. I once saw an indoor hive at the PT&T Central Office in Salinas, California. It was sitting on the wire chief's desk. The two inch clear plastic tube came in two feet. Sounds like a great idea- you might need to provide some back or side lighting if the whole hive will be inside the bookcase. Let us know how it turns out, us drones etal >From alan.craig@durham.ac.uk Wed Mar 20 12:19:11 EST 1996 Article: 3756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst .acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!p ipex!peer-news.britain.eu.net!strath-cs!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!nntp From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis tablets Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:40:17 +0000 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <313EAF01.167EB0E7@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: noether.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) A friend recently saw some propolis tablets on sale in a health food store; he asked me what they were supposed to be for and I was completely at a loss, particularly as (as someone else noted recently) bees will collect road tar. Do any of you have any idea? Alan >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Wed Mar 20 12:19:11 EST 1996 Article: 3757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uu net!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Re: Organic honey Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] References: <4h87ha$jnt@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:34:10 GMT Lines: 344 About a year ago I was interested in the definition of organic honey. I was interested in being able to charge more for "organic" honey. I contacted the National Honey Board, and they refered me to OCIA (Organic Crop Improvement Association) for their definition. As it turns out, some of the organic grower's associations are defining organic honey requirements, like OCIA, but their members are mostly vegetable farmers and not beekeepers. Hence, their organic honey requirements are somewhat problematic. I obtained OCIA's definition of organic honey (OCIA, 3185 Township Road 179, Bellefontaine, Ohio 43311, 513-592-4983) which is what Tom Sanfard essentially published on the net. OCIA mentioned to me that the USDA was writing a definition of organic honey and they gave me a contact (Dr. Hal Ricker). I contacted the USDA and found out that many of the same OCIA people who defined organic honey was defining organic honey for the USDA. I requested and obtained permission for myself, Dr. Tom Sanford, Dr. Keith Deleplane; Dr John Ambrose, and Dr. Mike Hood to review the current USDA's draft of organic honey requirements. Everyone did send comments back to the USDA with basicly the same comments and then some that have come out in the newsgroup. Below is some of my comments. This is something that we need to track to make sure some organization doesn't come up with some questionable organic honey requirements. Thanks, Dave MacFawn June 7, 1995 Ms. Beth Hayden Agricultural Marketing Service - TMD Room 2510 South Building PO Box 96456 Washington, DC 20090-6456 Dear Beth: Dr hal Ricker gave me your name concerning organic honey definition. I understand taht Mr. Fred Kurshman - Chair of the Livestock committee is defining the requirements for organic honey. I am attaching some comments that I have with OCIA’s definition of organic honey and would like to ask that the attached bee/honey industry experts be included in the USDA organic honey requirement review. Sincerely, David E. MacFawn 205 Ridgecreek Drive Lexington, SC 29072 803-957-8897 (HM) 803-939-7409 (WK) Dr. John Ambrose State Apiculturist North Carolina State University Department of Entomology Box 7626 Raleigh North Carolina 27695 Dr. Keith Delaplane Extension Entomologist Cooperative Extension Service University of Georgia Athens, Georgia 30602 Dr. Mike Hood District Entomologist Department of Plant Industry Clemson University 112 Agricultural Servicenter Box 340392 Clemson. SC 29634-0392 Dr. Tom Sanford Department of Entomology University of Florida Building 970, Hull Road PO Box 110620 Gainsville, Fla 32611-0312 Dr Jim Tew Ohio State University May 10, 1995 Organic Crop Improvement Association 3185 Township Road 179 Bellefontaine, Ohio 43311-9465 I am interested in organic honey production and received a copy of you Specialty Crop Certification Standards for honey. As an outgrowth of my organic honey interest, I am interested in writing an article for either Bee Culture or American Bee Journal. However, upon examining the organic honey requirements, I have some questions needing to be answered before I fully understand your requirements. My questions begin with ???? or NOTE below. I would be very interested in co-authoring this article with someone from the OCIA if there is interest. Below is a start on the article. Please comment on my questions about organic honey. I look forward to hearing >from you if you are interested in co-authoring this article with me. I would also be interested in working with your on pollen gathering requirements. Sincerely, David E. MacFawn 205 Ridgecreek Drive Lexington, SC 29072 803-957-8897 (HM) 803-939-7409 (WK) Certified Master Beekeeper North Carolina Beekeepers Association Organic Honey David MacFawn Beekeepers are continually looking for ways to increase their retail price for honey. Producing honey that meets organic standards, and labeling the honey as organic, is one way to increase the honey’s retail price. This article discusses what the Organic Crop Improvement Association (OCIA) requirements are for organic honey. The OCIA is an international association of organic farmers and processors. It is based in Bellefontaine, Ohio (513-592-4983). There are 71 chapters located throughout the world. The OCIA has an information packet that they will send you. The packet discusses the organization and also what a beekeeper needs to do to have certified organic honey (in section 4.2 on page 15). Section 4.2 is divided into 7 subsections. 4.2 discusses feeding for bees with the following points covered: 4.2.1 Feeding of Bees a. Honey from a known certified origin is permitted. ???? what do you mean by certified origin?, typically honeys a re mixed???? b. Bee pollen from a known certified source is permitted. ?????In the wild, pollen is mixed from several sources. How do you know where the pollen is from without extensive lab tests??????????? c. Sugar or sugar syrup if starvation is imminent is permitted. d. Use honey as the major food source NOTE:. leave plenty on honey on the hive to overwinter on rathe r than feed sugar syrup in the winter or spring. e. To feed sugar or sugar syrup during any honey flow is prohibited. NOTE: it is very rare for the bees to take sugar syrup when nat ural nectar is available, as is the case during a honey flow. f. To extract honey from brood chamber where sugar syrup has been used is prohibited NOTE: again it is rare for the bees to take sugar syrup when na tural nectar is available. The bees will use up the sugar syrup to raise bees and food very quickly. During the spring it is very rare for sugar syrup to remain in the hive for long. I would be more worried about pesticide and other contaminations building up in the comb, especially the brood chamber. With the use of Apistan, antibiotics, etc. it does build up in the comb. I would think that a requirement for the honey supers to not remain on hive, either with or without honey in them, during treatments may be in order. Of course, the treatments should be only during the period outside of 6 weeks before the honey flow and until after the honey supers are pulled. 4.2.2 Control/Prevention of Disease a. Keep strongest hives and destroy weak hives ????disagree....should requeen the weak hives or else you loose a lot of $$$$$ b. Select good locations ????what do you consider good locations? Facing south or south east, on side of hill with windbreak, not in “bottoms” where cold damp air collects????? c. Check hives regularly (i.e. once every 2-3 weeks). ????during honey flow this may make since. If any distance is required, there is no way that anyone can make any money at this with checking hives this often d. Keep obviously diseased hives in hospital yards. ????depends on what the “disease” is...if it is AFB or EFB then a quarantine may be in order for the bees only....All bee diseases have no known affects on humans w.r.t. honey. e. Use of menthol to control tracheal mite parasite is permitted. ????what about Apistan for Varroa mites???? f. Use of antibiotics in honey production is prohibited except when the health of the colony is threatened. After such treatment the hive must be removed immedi ately taken out of organic production. The pull immediately following the use of antibiotics m ay not be OCIA certified. g. Sulfa products and other chemical products are prohibited. ????what about comb w.r.t antibiotics, what about Apistan for V arroa mites???? 4.2.3 Foraging Areas a. Apiaries must be located on OCIA certified land ????what do you look for when you certify the land????? b. Beekeeper must provide clean water and sufficient OCIA forage to fe ed the bees throughout the season. ????? I could not find your definition of clean water. To be q uite frank, after a rain, the bees may very well collect water out of puddles. The bees are going to collect water from the nearest source????? Also what is your definition of OCIA forage?????? c. Apiaries may not be located within 2 miles of garbage dumps or sanit ary landfills d. It is prohibited to locate apiaries within 2 miles/3km of flowering agricultural crops which have been sprayed with non-OCIA accepted pesticides if the bee s could be using these crops for forage. e. Apiaries may not be located within 2 miles of golf courses. f. Apiaries may not be located within 2 miles/3km of major townsites or cities. g. Apiaries may not be located within 2 miles of major traffic pollutin g areas. ?????this requirement needs to be tightened up...I am not sure what your definition of major traffic polluting areas is????? 4.2.4 Beeswax a. Use pure beeswax in hives - - preferably your own. b. Wax of dubious origin is prohibited. ???What about wax foundation from the bee supply houses??????? 4.2.5 Honey Treatment a. Beeblower or smoker to remove bees from hives may be used if needed. ????????what type of fuel in smoker...pine needles, rotten wood , oily rags??????? b. Heat of not more than 35C/95F and keep this process as short as poss ible. ???? to recrystalize honey there is a trade off between how hot the heat is and how long the honey needs to be heated. The lower the temperature the longer the honey will have to be heated. ????? c. Mechanical uncapping for combs preferred to uncapping with heat. d. Allow debris in honey to settle out by gravity. fine mesh filter is not permitted. ?????why is a fine mesh filter not permitted?...the filter will get out bee parts and large beeswax particles. Pollen and other nutrients will remain in the honey.????? e. All surfaces honey contacts should be stainless steel or coated with beeswax. f. Painted surfaces must be painted with a food and beverage approved p aint and coated with beeswax. Honey may not contact galvanized metal or metal with surfaces that oxidize. g. Honey extraction facility should be bee tight to prevent robbing and the spread of disease. ????I would be more worried about disease spreading due to inte rmingling of the supers, frames, using the same uncapping knife on all the honey, etc.??????? h. Extracting facility should be very clean and inspected annually be f ederal food inspectors. ???inspection by federal food inspectors is not required normal ly for the hobbyist....what about the local hobbyist who has only a few hives and uses his kitchen or maybe even his garage. I would be willing to bet that most of the organic honey producers currently fall into the hobbyist category. I. Extracting facility should be well lit with facilities to wash down daily with copious amounts of fresh, clean, hot water. J. Accumulated numbers of bees in extracting area should be allowed to gather and then washed down with water and disposed of or put in a nearby hive. ????better idea is to allow the bees to collect at a window and allow a one way bee escape for them to get out????? K. Honey barrels must be of a known origin, washed, and stored inside. If not new, they should have previously been used in food service. Preferable they sho uld be coated with beeswax. Oxidized barrels are prohibited. L Chemical bee repellents are prohibited. ???OK, this means that two trips to the bee yard is required. One to put the escape boards on the hives and another to retrieve the honey. Another alternative is to brush each frame, which is very time consuming but may be cheaper if the distance to the hives is large. ?????? M Floors and walls must be sealed from insects and rodents. Presence of insect pests such as flies in extracting facility will not be permitted. N. Use of chemical agents such as calcium cyanide as a fumigant is prohibited. 4.2.6 Honey, Frame, Wax, And Hive Storage a. Honey may be stored a maximum of 2 years before sale as organic ????assume stored in an airtight container since honey will acc umulate moisture???? b. Napthalene (moth balls) are prohibited for the control of wax moths in stored honey and honey product materials. 4.2.7 Queen Rearing a. cross breeding of bee families is encouraged. b. To prevent spreading of disease, rear your own queens ????this will cause less spreading of disease than the package bees. Often you can purchase a superior queen from another beekeeper????? c. Making of artificial swarms is permitted. d. Purchase of package bees is permitted. e. Artificial insemination is permitted. f. Killing of colonies of bees in the fall is prohibited. >==========Jim Mumm, 3/1/96========== > >frankb@cyberstore.ca (Frank Battistolo) wrote: > >>I recently saw some jars of organicaly grown honey! in a health >food >>store.Can somebody explain to me what it is? > >If it was certified organic it does mean something, if it just said >"organic" it means about as much as "natural". > >Organic laws, soon to take effect (perhaps) in the US and here in >Canada will mandate a legal meaning for organic. > >There is some certified organic honey produced, just not near >enough >for the market. > > >-- >jim.mumm@harrier.sasknet.sk.ca >Jim Mumm >Hazelridge Farm >Box 268, Shellbrook, SK, Canada >S0J 2E0 > > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From katsmith@vt.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:12 EST 1996 Article: 3758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.d uke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,misc.r ural,rec.birds,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: REMINDER: CFV:sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} Date: 7 Mar 1996 17:09:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 113 Message-ID: <4hn57s$l5m@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-31.sl002.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:167199 alt.agriculture.misc:4910 alt.sustain able.agriculture:11133 misc.rural:25904 rec.birds:33482 rec.pets.birds:56636 sc i.agriculture:9537 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3758 Hello everyone, I wanted to send out this reminder out to the various newsgroups. There are only 2 weeks left to cast your vote. The final day to vote is March 22nd. If you have already voted, thank you for taking the time and please excuse this reminder. Remember, you can cast your vote via a newsgroup or via email (see directions below). If you have any questions, please contact me or one of the other CFV proponents. Kathryn A. Smith katsmith@vt.edu ---------------------- Cast your vote via a newsgroup ------------ The best place to find a copy of the CFV is to look in the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups. This is a moderated newsgroups, and therefore, the posts are not removed as quickly as those in an unmoderated newsgroup. Read the CFV very carefully. You will need to follow the directions exactly. You can just simply reply to the post. The post will be redirected to the automatic vote counter. You will need to edit out all but the ballot. How o do this is very clear in the CFVs directions. Remember to put your full name after the 'Voter Name:' line (look carefully for this - it is sort of buried) and please cast a vote for EACH newsgroup. Your vote should be placed between the [ and ] brackets. Double check you name and your vote, then send the post. If everything went correctly, you will receive two letters from the votetaker. The response may take a day or two, so be patient. If after 3 days you have still not receive the letters, please vote again. Only your last vote will be counted. ------------------ How to get your own CFV via email -------------------- How to vote using email. It's VERY important that you follow these directions EXACTLY! 1. Open a NEW mail message and address it to: poultry-cfv-request@netagw.com 2. Under the Subject put: request cfv 3. For the BODY of the message : leave blank 4. Then send your mail message off. This will request your own personal copy of the CFV delivered right to your own mailbox. It may take a day or so (I requested mine yesterday afternoon and received it this morning) before you receive it. Look in your mailbox for an incoming message with the following subject: copy of CFV: "sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites}" proposal When you GET this email message do the following: 1. Open the email message. 2. Take the time to READ the entire thing, word for word. This will save yourself headaches and possibly an invalid vote. 3. Now it's time to send in your vote. At this point there are two options: a) if you have the option of including the mail text when you reply, then just reply. If you use the reply option, you need to DELETE everything except for the ballot. There are lines before and after the ballot specifically SAYING to delete everything before this line and after the other. b) Otherwise, read down until you find the actual ballot, and highlight it, then copy it and paste it into a new mail message 4. You should now have a mail message up on the screen, with the ballot part in the body. 5. Make SURE that you change WHO the message is being sent to, it SHOULD be sent to: poultry-vote@netagw.com 6. Now in the ballot, look for a place that says: Voter Name: It's kind of hidden so you might have to search for it. In that place, you need to type in your name. 7. Now between the [ and the ] is where you need to type in your vote. Valid votes are: YES, NO, ABSTAIN and CANCEL. There are two newsgroups, please indicate your vote for BOTH newsgroups. You can vote differently for both if you would like. After typing in your vote for both the newsgroups between the [ and the ], then it's time to send in your vote. Before hitting that send button, double check to make sure of the following: a) Mail message is addressed to: poultry-vote@netagw.com b) You have ONLY the ballot in the main body c) You've typed in your name d) You voted to both newsgroups e) You've typed in your vote between the [ and the ] 8. After you've double-checked these 5 things, then go ahead and send off your vote. You should receive a confirmation of your vote within a few days through email. If you do not receive it within say 4 days (allow for some netlag), I would try repeating your steps again. If they received your first vote, and get a second one. The first one is thrown out and the second one is kept (so placing two votes from the same email account doesn't work). >From timd@arbornet.org Wed Mar 20 12:19:12 EST 1996 Article: 3759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.d uke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.cic.n et!condor.ic.net!news From: Tim Damon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Asso./Clubs in S.E. Michigan Date: 7 Mar 1996 18:12:20 GMT Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4hn8u6$llh@condor.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port24.gateway1.ic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I am a hobbiest beekeeper, entering my 3rd season with 10 hives, located in Washtanaw Co.. I would like to join a local club or association, but don't know of any. If anyone is active in such a club or knows of one could you E-mail me with any info. Thanks Tim Damon - Ann Arbor, MI timd@arbornet.org >From jfuture@netzone.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:13 EST 1996 Article: 3760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!oronet!news.netzone.com!usenet From: Susan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: african bees:21 differences Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 13:59:25 -0800 Organization: NetZone, Inc. (602) 991-4NET Lines: 13 Message-ID: <313F5C3D.7FB7@netzone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phx-ip-144.netzone.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) I'm doing a little (very little) research on Africanized honey bees and I read in APIS that "the USDA-ID morphometric method analyzes 21 different size and body part characteristics" but I don't know what these 21 characteristics are. If anyone can help me with this, please email me at jfuture@netzone.com Thanks! Susan >From Beehaven@msn.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:13 EST 1996 Article: 3761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Beehaven@msn.com (Michael Broffman) Subject: RE: INDOOR HIVE Date: 8 Mar 96 22:40:37 -0800 References: <4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net> Message-ID: <0000204a+000006d6@msn.com> Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst .acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usen et.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!io l!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!new s.sprintlink.net!news.msn.com!msn.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Lines: 11 To Not tellin; There's an indoor hive in the Coyote Museum in South San Francisco near the Airport. I once saw an indoor hive in the PT&T Step by Step Central Office in Salinas. It was on the desk of the wire chief. The two inch clear plastic tube came through the window for two feet. Sounds like a great idea. You might need some way of lighting them from behind or the side if the whole hive is going to be in the bookshelf. Let us know how it turns out us drones, etal >From cripoll@mat.upv.es Wed Mar 20 12:19:14 EST 1996 Article: 3762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!ne ws.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!pow er.ci.uv.es!news.upv.es!news From: Carlos Ripoll Soler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Volume of a Coliflower Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 12:59:23 -0800 Organization: Universidad Polit=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E9cnica de Valencia?= Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3141F12B.3DEA@mat.upv.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: rbaad01.euita.upv.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) I am looking for a method to measure the Volume of a bruxeles coliflower. Now I measure the volume in this way: 1. I put the coliflower on an empty graduated glass of 250 cubic cm 2. I calculate the weight of 250 cubic cm using the density of the water. 3. Then I use a graduated cilynder of 250 cubic cm and I measure its weight with an electronic balance. 4. Then I fill it with water, and at the same time I am measuring the weight of the water that I am filling until it reachs the weight that I calculated before. With this I make a perfect control of the volume. 5. Then I drop the water on the graduated glass with the coliflower until it reachs 250 cubic cm. 6. Finally I weight the rest of the water that I have on the graduated cylinder, and using the density I can take the exact volume of the coliflower. The problem: On the step 5 I can't be sure. I can't know wehn I reach 250 cubic cm exactly, because I have to approximate what I am looking. How can I measure the volume of the bruxelles coliflower??? If you kno it, please send me an e. mail to: cripoll@mat.upv.es >From KQJT78A@prodigy.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:15 EST 1996 Article: 3763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!ne wsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Asso./Clubs in S.E. Michigan Date: 9 Mar 1996 15:09:04 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4hs6ug$j28@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> References: <4hn8u6$llh@condor.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap2.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I too would be interested in that information. I have/had (I lost them all again this winter) 11 hives in West Bloomfield. Please e-mail me if you find out any information: - Dennis_Y_inMich@Prodigy.com Thanks, Dennis >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:16 EST 1996 Article: 3764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic honey Date: 9 Mar 1996 16:09:07 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4hsaf3$q57@nfs1.pe.net> References: <4h5e5h$jj8@sulla.cyberstore.ca> <4hprgp$579 @news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Thanks for posting the rules for organic honey. I am complying with all those rules except the one on not using fine mesh filters. I filtered mine with nylon cloth. Can you or one of my fellow beekeepers explain to me an easy way to filter the honey by gravity? >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:16 EST 1996 Article: 3765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking about diving in question Date: 9 Mar 1996 16:26:44 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4hsbg4$q57@nfs1.pe.net> References: <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 The willies are good! It is really awesome to open your own flourishing hive and have thousands of bees hovering around going in and out. Protective gear will keep the heebie jeebies from totally discouraging you. I wear the full outfit while working my one hive - safari hat, veil, jumpsuit, ventilated gloves with elastic cuffs and velcro strips to bind down the pants cuffs. The smoker really does calm them down too. If their anxiety is rising and their buzzing is getting more intense, for example, while they are crowding on the top of your frames with the cover off, a few puffs of smoke will quiet them and they will go down into the hive. I hear that the smoke goofs up their anxiety pheremones. You have to be sure your whole outfit is secure, for example one time I forgot my pants cuffs binders and the little ladies found that my ankles were available to them! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! One beekeeping book says that you should always wear your protective gear and notes that a lion trainer would not enter the lion cage without his protective equipment. As you get more comfortable with them, you can sit by their beeway and watch them work without your suit and later you can take your gloves off while working the bees. I still have not done the latter. Some people, like me, think stings are rather groovy. Scrape the stinger and sack off the skin with a fingernail or bee hive tool instead of pinching it, put some ice on it and then sit back in your easy chair and enjoy the experience. >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Wed Mar 20 12:19:17 EST 1996 Article: 3766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.d uke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic honey Date: 8 Mar 1996 17:41:44 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4hprgp$579@news.sandia.gov> References: <4h5e5h$jj8@sulla.cyberstore.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I have a three page description of requirements and prohibitions for production of organic honey from the New Mexico Organic Commodity Commission. The Organic Commodity Commission 118 Amherst Drive NE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87106-1303 (505)266-9849 To summarize the highlights: You cannot feed sugar or sugar syrup unless starvation is imminent. You cannot extract honey from combs where sugar syrup has been used. You cannot use Apistan or Terramycin. Special rules apply for the use of TM covered in another section. Menthol is OK. You cannot use sulfa products or anitbiotics. Apiaries must be located in non-industrialized locations, away from commercial crop areas where insecticides are used. Must be more than 5 miles away from landfills or dumps. Must be 5 miles from contaminated water, golf courses, major traffic areas. Must be at leat 2 miles from townsites. You cannot use chemical bee repelannts. You cannot use a fine mesh filter. Gravity settling is approved. Honey cannot be stored for more than 2 years. Artificial insemination is prohibited. I did not make up these requirements. If you want more information please contact the OCC direct at the address provided above. The OCC requires $100 per year for certification of your apiary. An inspection is required. An assessment of 1/2 of 1% of gross organic sales will be collected by the OCC. A handbook must be purchased for $15.00. The estimated cost for certification of a $10,000 annual sales apiary is $165.00 the first year, and $150.00 thereafter since you only need one handbook (until they revise the handbook). I have elected to not participate since I have Varroa mites and use TM patties and Apistan. Organic certification means nothing if my bees die. Victor C. Rimkus, Albuquerque NM >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:17 EST 1996 Article: 3767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer .itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INDOOR HIVE Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 19:03:44 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4hqi7g$qep@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4hj3u3$8i1@news.icanect.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal18-06.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 sasha@icanect.net (not tellin) wrote: >Ihave often thought it would be interesting to built a indoor hive in >the form of a bookcase. this would be a wonderful sourse of >entertainment and a great conversatton piece I have an "indoor" observation hive (of sorts). And I've also got a couple recommendations. I custom built a 15-frame (brood size) semi-permanent wood and glass observation hive. The ladies occupy it on a permanent basis. It is three frames wide and five boxes (supers) tall. I paid absolutely strict attention to bee space in order to eliminate burr comb. As a result, the bees have done a very good job of not messing the hive up and the glass remains clear of burr comb and the bees are easy to see. If you put this inside your house, you need to be aware that taking it apart to clean will create a mess on the floor due to the various trash that will end up there. I would recommend that you build a smaller one that can just be removed intact to the outside. If you're stuck on this bookcase idea, you'll need to put down a flooring that will be easy to clean. Also opening the thing WILL let bees loose in the house! :-) And the final thought is the smell of nectar collected. I was all ready to put this thing inside my house when I was reminded of the terrible smell of broomweed nectar flow. If you have any 'smelly' nectar producing plants, you might want to reconsider! Thank goodness our Texas broomweed happens in the late Fall and by then I've already extracted and can just let the bees enjoy themselves on THAT flow. BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:18 EST 1996 Article: 3768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu! news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (Keith G. Benson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Assoc. in Wisconsin Date: 10 Mar 1996 00:36:17 GMT Organization: UW-Madison Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4ht861$17ke@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f180-066.net.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Could anyone supply me with the address and telephone number for beekeeping associations in the Madison area? thanks in advance, Keith Benson >From eastman@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca Wed Mar 20 12:19:18 EST 1996 Article: 3769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.d uke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!govonca3!usenet From: Marianne Lepa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thinking about diving in question Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 20:49:27 -0800 Organization: Mendel's Garden Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.41.178.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hello, I've been 'lurking' in this group for the last month or so and decided to jump in with a question that may sound a bit weird to you experienced souls. I have a vegetable market garden and have been considering the possibility of keeping bees as a sideline, not only for their role as pollinators but for honey and beeswax which I use a lot of. The main thing that I would like to know before I go any further in my investigations is: Do you ever get past the 'heebie jeebies' about all the bees crawling on you? This isn't a flame, I'm quite serious about starting into beekeeping but my skin crawls when a bee(s) land on me. I have been practicing staying calm and have tried to 'talk' to the bees (I read this somewhere). I'm wondering if this feeling would prevent me from ever being able to handle a hive? Thanks for any input, Marianne -- As soon as I have something important to say, I'll put it here. >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Wed Mar 20 12:19:19 EST 1996 Article: 3770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.ne t!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Bees in the 'burbs?? Date: 07 Mar 1996 03:23:16 GMT Message-ID: <2601578462.1911357@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 18 We kept bees in the burbs for 15 years on 2/3 acre. To avoid bothering the neighbours you can put a 'fence' in front of you hives. The 'fence' can be a fence or bushes or building or anything to get the bees up 8-10 feet before they leave the property. Once they go up they don't come down till they reach the blossems. There is usually plenty of nectar sources due to flower and vegetable gardens. We kept a viable hive even in the urb (Portland..Downtown) at Portland State University (5 blocks from city center). But it was on the 3rd floor so pedestrians were never bothered. Evan >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Wed Mar 20 12:19:19 EST 1996 Article: 3771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!seafish!E van_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: BEES ALL DEAD -- RESISTANT MITES????? Date: 07 Mar 1996 03:32:16 GMT Message-ID: <1347481566.1911388@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 20 Mites increase the most over the winter. The tracheal mites seem to be killed by the body head of bees making long foraging flight. None of this happens in the winter. Some state in the south I believe is trying to get quick approval for formic acid to control tracheal mites. Some people in our beekeeping associate say 1) Menthol doesn't work. kills my bees. 2) Menthol works fine, Use it every year. 3) Monthol works only above 80 degrees (did you apply it when it was too cold) Concerning Apistan. I cleans the varoa out of my hive fine. Remember you MUST put in 1 strip for every 5 frames of brood. Don't skimp to save a buck and loose a hive! Evan >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Wed Mar 20 12:19:20 EST 1996 Article: 3772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.ne t!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: bumble bees Date: 07 Mar 1996 03:39:15 GMT Message-ID: <3534814.1965555@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 9 Yeah...there is a new trend in keeping bumble bees Y? because they pollinate tomatoes INSIDE a greenhouse. Honey bees don't do a good job on tomatoes Honey bees won't work in a greenhouse (they all go to the window and look outside) To pollinate tomatoes you need to shake the plant...Like bumblie bees do. Evan >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Wed Mar 20 12:19:20 EST 1996 Article: 3773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!sea fish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Observation..Feral Hive Date: 07 Mar 1996 03:52:35 GMT Message-ID: <2595094526.2019628@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 26 I'm planning to cut down a 24 inch diameter doug fir snag this summer for wood. I'd like to keep 5-6 ft to make a 'feral hive' that I can see into. I plan to hollow out 2-3 cubic feet and replace the side with plexiglass. So I could 'treat' these gals to Apistan or Terri pattys I want part of the brood chamber to bee in a deep or western super I put on top or on the bottom. The way we keep bees they are forced to the bottom. In nature..where would they end up after a winter if I didn't rob them and add honey supers on top? I was thinking the top (there is where they are found in the spring) but if I put the entrance at the bottom (so they can keep the hive clean) will the queen move down so the temperature can be more easily controlled and the workers have easier access to the pollen comming in? Any Ideas? Thanks Evan >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:21 EST 1996 Article: 3774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation..Feral Hive Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 15:06:05 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4hsstr$hjs@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <2595094526.2019628@seafish.org> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal07-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) wrote: >I'd like to keep 5-6 ft to make a 'feral hive' that I can see into. I plan >to hollow out >2-3 cubic feet and replace the side with plexiglass. Evan, I don't know what the ag/beekeeping laws are where you're located but in Texas, you're required to have all movable frames. No rules on what the outside of the hive has to look like (other than branding) but you have to be able to remove the individual frames of comb. This is a state agriculture law, you might want to check the laws where you live and/or plan to use all removable frames if your area requires it. BuyKnight Dallas, TX >From stuart@choice.southern.co.nz Wed Mar 20 12:19:21 EST 1996 Article: 3775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nas a.gov!decwrl!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!southern.co.nz!choice!stuart Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping In-Reply-To: frank.battistolo@choice.southern.co.nz Subject: Organic honey From: stuart@choice.southern.co.nz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 23:13:00 +12 Organization: The Choice BBS Lines: 18 FB>Internet: frankb@cyberstore.ca FB>Still trying to find out what is? I am not a beekeeper but a beekeeper lives on my farm. He tells me that bees have a fairly defined range and so if that range was on an organic farm and/or for instance in the bush miles from any place that might use sprays, soluable fertislisers etc then it probabley be called organic. There should be some certification on it. These people would police these things and make those decisions. Does this help? Regards Stuart Reid Ashburton New Zealand --- þ SLMR 2.1a þ --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E-- >From pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:22 EST 1996 Article: 3776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.luc.e du!cantor.math.luc.edu!pschwalm From: pschwalm@cantor.math.luc.edu (Patricia Schwalm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping bees native to the US midwest Date: 11 Mar 1996 14:53:48 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4i1eps$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu> Reply-To: pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.126.2.5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just discovered this group, and didn't see this topic listed. Hope it's not inappropriate, off topic, or beaten to death. We bought a 10 acre hobby farm in north central Illinois. 7 acres are in grass/legume hay. There is a small oak woodlot. We would like to plant an acre or so of native prairie plants, and restore the woodlot. Whenever I've talked to prairie people about what pollinates these flowers, I've never received an answer. The last issue of _The Nature Conservancy_ had an article about a bee native to Utah or Colorado; don't have the issue handy and can't remember the species. I was planning on trying my hand at beekeeping, but this article started me thinking about raising native bees instead. The article mentioned this particular bee will pollinate clover, so I'd have a food source available before the prairie plants get established. Does anyone know what bee is native to Illinois, is it a social insect, and can it be raised like a honeybee? I have no particular interest in harvesting the honey, though that would be nice. Patty >From pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:22 EST 1996 Article: 3777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.luc.e du!cantor.math.luc.edu!pschwalm From: pschwalm@cantor.math.luc.edu (Patricia Schwalm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midwest Beekeeping Symposium Date: 11 Mar 1996 14:59:39 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4i1f4r$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu> References: <313AE379.3327@interaccess.com> Reply-To: pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.126.2.5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Barry Birkey (bbirkey@interaccess.com) wrote: : For anyone interested in the Chicago area there will be a beekeeping : symposium sponsored by McHenry County College and the Northern : Illinois Beekeeper's Association. The date is Saturday, March 9, from : 8:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. The cost is $20 per person.Contact Molly Walsh at : MCC Conference Center, 8900 U.S. Hwy 14, Crystal Lake, Il. 60012-2796. : Sorry, no number. Sigh...I sure wish I had known about this. I would have loved to attend. Maybe you could cross-post announcements like this in rec.gardens or misc.rural in the future, Barry? Or maybe the NIBA could have put it on the CES web page? Patty >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:22 EST 1996 Article: 3778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!ne wsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld. ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Asso./Clubs in S.E. Michigan Date: 11 Mar 1996 20:46:40 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4i23fg$n09@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <4hn8u6$llh@condor.ic.net> <4hs6ug$j28@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com Me too! -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything above this line is my opinion, even my name. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-845-1133 Driver Information & Controls Software FAX: 313-323-6699 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From kathpyle@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:23 EST 1996 Article: 3779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.resto n.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: kathpyle@ix.netcom.com (Katherine Pyle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information about keeping bumblebees? Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:16:01 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4i1lla$986@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca16-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Mar 11 10:50:50 AM CST 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Because the honeybee population in my neighborhood (which used to be quite adequate) has dropped off so badly during the past few years, I am considering encouraging the local bumble bee population. Like maybe what they do with cardboard cartons of bumble bees in tomato greenhouses. Where can I find information about encouraging/keeping/growing bumble bees? Thanks in advance for your help. >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:23 EST 1996 Article: 3780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!in2.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midwest Beekeeping Symposium Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:27:04 -0500 Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3144B6C8.2134@interaccess.com> References: <313AE379.3327@interaccess.com> <4i1f4r$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d158.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Patricia Schwalm wrote: > > Sigh...I sure wish I had known about this. I would have loved to attend. > Maybe you could cross-post announcements like this in rec.gardens or > misc.rural in the future, Barry? Or maybe the NIBA could have put > it on the CES web page? > > Patty Sorry for the late notice. I had known for quiet some time but it didn't dawn on me to post it till last week. I'm suprised that no one >from the NIBA board didn't post this themselves. I will contact them and see to it that they get on the ball for next time. There were about 150 people that turned out and I personally liked all that Dr. Keith Delaplane had to say about the mite problems and pollination. Thanks for the reminder, Patty. Barry >From pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:24 EST 1996 Article: 3781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov! magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ncar!uchinews!news.luc.edu!cantor. math.luc.edu!pschwalm From: pschwalm@cantor.math.luc.edu (Patricia Schwalm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midwest Beekeeping Symposium Date: 12 Mar 1996 02:30:51 GMT Organization: Loyola University of Chicago Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4i2nkr$5jl@artemis.it.luc.edu> References: <313AE379.3327@interaccess.com> <4i1f4r$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu> <31 44B6C8.2134@interaccess.com> Reply-To: pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.126.2.5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Barry Birkey (bbirkey@interaccess.com) wrote: : Sorry for the late notice. I had known for quiet some time but it : didn't dawn on me to post it till last week. I'm suprised that no one : from the NIBA board didn't post this themselves. I will contact them : and see to it that they get on the ball for next time. There were : about 150 people that turned out and I personally liked all that Dr. : Keith Delaplane had to say about the mite problems and pollination. : Thanks for the reminder, Patty. I didn't mean this as a complaint to you, Barry, just a general frustration with Usenet and the Non-Usenet community. If I'd just thought of subscribing to this group (I'd heard of it, but I already read 40 groups 8-( or if someone with the Cooperative Extension Service had announced it....and so on. There are so many clubs/agencies/ newsgroups and so much redundancy. Few people in the general public understand Usenet. Some people on Usenet would complain about cross- posting...sigh....such a powerful tool. Well, hopefully I'll get some answers about native pollinators from this group. Patty btw, I maintain the Garden Club of Illinois web: http://www.math.luc.edu/gci >From pollinator@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:24 EST 1996 Article: 3782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2. cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne wstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Swarms Date: 12 Mar 1996 00:55:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4i33jt$7ch@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4huhft$sdm@zeus.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4huhft$sdm@zeus.crosslink.net>, greenstr@mail.crosslink.net (Tim Greenstreet) writes: > >What are the Major reasons for Bee's to Swarm? > Swarming is the natural way for bees to reproduce. When the hive gets crowded, about half the bees will leave with the old queen, and often several virgin queens, as well. The remnant is left, also with some virgin queens, or nearly ready queen cells. While it is natural, it is a poor beekeeper who lets his bees swarm, if he can help it. When they swarm, you may not be there to catch them. Or they may be in the top of a fifty-foot tree, where you can't catch them. That's akin to the cattle grower, who lets his calves run off, and get lost in the woods. If you keep up with this bulletin board, or with the bee-list mailing group, you'll hear plenty of discussion on how to prevent swarming. The most important factor is to keep young queens, no more than a year old. Queens are programmed to swarm in the second year, and it's very difficult to stop them. Also, do not let the brood nest get congested, particularly in swarm season in your area (about 5-6 weeks from now, I'd guess). Stay tuned. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From ringet@mind.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:25 EST 1996 Article: 3783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!nn tp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!chi-news.cic.net! news.mind.net!ip26.mind.net!ringet From: ringet@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the greenhouse Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:38:13 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip26.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I have been using honey bees in my greenhouse, Here is how, cut hole in plastic place hive with entrance faceing outside. Turn super around so its entrance faces into the greenhouse. Staple the plastic back on the box so it is tight and wait. Bumble bees are forever! BerryBob >From jwg6@cornell.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:25 EST 1996 Article: 3784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu !cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.e du!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newsstan d.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0923.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in the greenhouse Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 07:07:10 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 16 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0923.cit.cornell.edu In article , ringet@mind.net (Robert Inget) wrote: > I have been using honey bees in my greenhouse, Here is how, cut hole in > plastic place hive with entrance faceing outside. Turn super around so its > entrance faces into the greenhouse. Staple the plastic back on the box so it > is tight and wait. Bumble bees are forever! > BerryBob I am interested in the idea of honeybees in greenhouses, such as for curcubit pollination. Evidently it was pretty common years ago. I don't quite understand your description of situating the hive, tho'. Is the hive inside or outside the greenhouse? What do you mean by entrance of the super? Are the losses of foragers heavy, and how long do you leave this arrangement? Thanks Bob, Joel (Are you utilizing bumble bees too?) >From greenstr@mail.crosslink.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:26 EST 1996 Article: 3785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru .edu!pravda.aa.msen.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsf eed.internetmci.com!news.intersurf.net!news.crosslink.net!usenet From: greenstr@mail.crosslink.net (Tim Greenstreet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Swarms Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 07:32:58 PST Organization: crosslink.net Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4huhft$sdm@zeus.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn012.fauquier.va.us.crosslink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.6 What are the Major reasons for Bee's to Swarm? Tim Greenstreet Catlett,Va. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:26 EST 1996 Article: 3786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Organic honey Date: 12 Mar 1996 15:51:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4i46ir$ge0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Seems that producing certified organic honey and managing for varroa mites will be conflicting beekeeping strategies. A beekeeper previously said that the decision would be easy: better to _have_ bees than not. As for someone advertising their honey as "organic", if the state where the honey was produced has not certified the producer, than the claim "organic" in states that have certification laws, is false. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From pollinator@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:27 EST 1996 Article: 3787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.e du!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet .seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsrelay.netins.net!solaris.cc .vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!n ewsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com !not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckwheat pollination Date: 11 Mar 1996 06:23:06 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 30 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4i12eq$6lm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4ggt3e$sjf@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4ggt3e$sjf@inferno.mpx.com.au>, pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) writes: >Subject: Buckwheat pollination > >Has anyone any information on the benifits, or otherwise, of honeybee >pollination on buckwheat yield? > McGregor cites a study that said that where five honeybee colonies per hectare were present 80.4 percent of the seeds set, but with only one colony per hectare, the set was only 57.8 percent. He also cited another study, which used saturation pollination of three colonies per acre, and obtained 1250 to 1500 lbs per acre. McGregor, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants USDA 1976. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From pollinator@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:27 EST 1996 Article: 3788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.ma th.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!new sfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com !newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information about keeping bumblebees? Date: 11 Mar 1996 22:07:47 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 37 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4i2pq3$rj0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4i1lla$986@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Subject: Information about keeping bumblebees? From: kathpyle@ix.netcom.com (Katherine Pyle) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:16:01 GMT >Because the honeybee population in my neighborhood (which used to >be quite adequate) has dropped off so badly during the past few >years, I am considering encouraging the local bumble bee >population. Like maybe what they do with cardboard cartons of >bumble bees in tomato greenhouses. >Where can I find information about encouraging/keeping/growing >bumble bees? Bumblebee series by Dr. Keith Delaplane, Extension Entomologist, University of Georgia "Why Bumble Bees", pp 459-460 American Bee Journal, July 1995 "Bumble Beekeeping: The Queen Starter Box ABJ, Nov, 1995 "Bumble Beekeeping: Introducing Queens to Nest in Captivity" ABJ, Jan,1996 "Bumble Beekeeping: Handling Mature Colonies, Mating Queens" ABJ, Feb, 1996 The American Bee Journal, 51S. 2nd St., Hamilton, IL 62341 217-847-3324 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From enickens@nando.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:27 EST 1996 Article: 3789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.c om!newsfeed.internetmci.com!castle.nando.net!news From: Eddie Nickens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: finding wild bees Date: 12 Mar 1996 22:54:35 GMT Organization: Nando.net Public Access Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4i4vbb$ldb@castle.nando.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: grail1313.nando.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello! I write the nature column for The Discovery Channel's Discovery Online magazine, and I have a question I thought you folks could help with. I've heard about a way to find wild honeybee nests -- you simply burn a few heavily floral scented candles outside, on warm days in early spring, and sooner or later bees will find the scent. Then you can follow them back to their nests, following a more or less straight beeline. Myth or reality? Any other ways to have fun with wild bees? My column stresses the wildlife of familiar places, and I'm trying to come up with a topic and an activity that has to do with bees. Please respond to my email address: enickens@nando.net. Many thanks! >From bente@deakin.edu.au Wed Mar 20 12:19:28 EST 1996 Article: 3790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.resto n.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monas h.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: Bente Schjeflo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis tablets Date: 12 Mar 1996 21:46:35 GMT Organization: Deakin University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4i4rbr$hf1@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <313EAF01.167EB0E7@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc04-slip.ccs-stuw.deakin.edu.au Alan Craig wrote: > > A friend recently saw some propolis tablets on sale > in a health food store; Propolis is the bees defence against bacteria and it is a powerfull product. In an experiment a raw piece of meet was placed in the a hive and as the bees could not remove it they covered it with propolis. One year after the piece was removed and when cut it was just as fresh as when it was put in. Try propolis tablets for a soar troath and see what happens. You will bee surprised! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:29 EST 1996 Article: 3791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.c om!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wi ldbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603121735021554@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lines: 31 Detection of Varroa Mite Ether Roll Test A sample of bees from the broodnest is brushed of the combs into a pint or quart jar with a cover. about 300 to 500 bees should be taken to get a good sample. The jar should be no more than about one third full. Bees from more than one colony in a yard can be combined into one sample. loosen the cover, spray a short squirt ( one or two seconds ) of ether starting fluid into the jar and quickly replace the cover. The jar is shaken for 20-30 seconds and then held up and rolled. Mites should show up as reddish brown oval objects stuck to the inside of the jar. With a magnifying lens you will be able to see the legs if you have mites. Any mites found can be placed into a container of alcohol and mailed in to the Apiary office for confirmation. Drone Brood Check Uncap drone brood and carefully remove a sample of pupae. Examine each pupa for mites which are small reddish brown objects that show up readily on the white pupae. Some mites may crawl out of cells when the cappings are removed. About 100 drone pupae per colony is a good sample. Combs from hives that have died and were heavily infested with varroa mites at the time can be bounced on a flat service and the mite pupa skins, (white specks) sometimes can be dislodged and viewed. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? >From sci.agriculture.beekeeping Wed Mar 20 12:19:29 EST 1996 Article: 3792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.resto n.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: station2@ix.netcom.com (Jim Nichols) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 5th grader need info for report from beekeepers... Date: 13 Mar 1996 03:03:38 GMT Organization: Station Graphics, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4i5dua$npq@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> References: <312D65FE.3C70@svi.org> <4hfp9f$8n5@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> Reply-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-dfw18-26.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Mar 12 7:03:38 PM PST 1996 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Hi, I Jessica and I live in Texas. I am doing a report on beekeeping and I need to interview some beekeepers. If you would please take the time to answer these questions you would be a great help. Thanks alot! Q. About how many bees live in a hive? Q. What season do they produce the most honey? Q. About how many cells are in a honey comb? Q. How many honey bees are born in a year? Q. How do you keep bees warm in winter? Q. About how many drones are in a hive? Q. About how many pounds of honey is produced by a hive in a year? Q. How long does it take for the eggs to turn into a young bee? Q. Do the bees find food or do you feed them? If so what? Q. What do you do when a colony becomes overcrowed? Q. What other products do you get from the hives? Where do you sell the stuff? Thanks again for your help. Jessica >From noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us Wed Mar 20 12:19:30 EST 1996 Article: 3793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!in2.uu.net!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking about diving in question Date: 13 Mar 1996 02:25:44 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4i5bn8$b15@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-3-15.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca>, Marianne Lepa says: DIVE! Chris Noak Austin, Texas >From jasman@ix.netcom.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:30 EST 1996 Article: 3794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.resto n.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: jasman@ix.netcom.com (Jim Steelman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Search Date: 13 Mar 1996 04:52:22 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4i5ka6$89m@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atl-ga27-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Mar 12 8:52:22 PM PST 1996 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Sorry to bother everyone, but I've running out of people to ask the following. Does anyone know anyone or a company that has Eucalyptus Honey? If you do, please write me at jasman@ix.netcom.com Thank you, Jim Steelman >From seekhub1@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE Wed Mar 20 12:19:30 EST 1996 Article: 3795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.ma th.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!mailsz rz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!seekhub1 From: seekhub1@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Hans-Juergen Seekamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: QUESTION Date: 13 Mar 1996 10:47:05 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4i6939$kfu@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailszrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] who is planning to study agronomy in berlin? who is planning to do his Ph.D. studies in agronomy in berlin? -- H.-J. Seekamp seekhub1@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE sir@map_1.iae.TU-Berlin.DE root@map_1.iae.TU-Berlin.DE http://map_1.iae.TU-Berlin.DE/~sir ____________________________________________________ >From beehive@win.bright.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:31 EST 1996 Article: 3796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ne ws.bright.net!news.win.bright.net!news From: Beehive Botanicals Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Propolis Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:04:50 GMT Organization: Beehive Botanicals Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4i6km2$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hay-cs-1.win.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; U; 16bit) To: All,subscriber Dear Beekeepers, Our company, Beehive Botanicals, Inc. has been in business for over 25 years with the main purpose to collect, refine, and market bee propolis. Over the past year there has been a great increase in the demand for propolis. Much of this demand is not in the USA, but comes from the International market. I write to you today to start a discussion on the topic of bee propolis. I am trying to gather the following information: How many total beehives are there in the USA and in Canada? How much propolis is available from these hives? How many beekeepers are currently collecting and then selling propolis >from their hives? Are you selling directly to consumers or sending to companies like ourselves? For those beekeepers that are not currently saving propolis for re-sale, how much would they have to get ($$$) to encourage them to do so? This is just the start of what I hope will be an interesting discussion for us all. Please feel free to contact me with your own questions on bee propolis. Thanks for your response. Linda Graham >From beehive@win.bright.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:31 EST 1996 Article: 3797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ne ws.bright.net!news.win.bright.net!news From: Beehive Botanicals Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Propolis Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:05:20 GMT Organization: Beehive Botanicals Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4i6kn0$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hay-cs-1.win.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; U; 16bit) Dear Beekeepers, Our company, Beehive Botanicals, Inc. has been in business for over 25 years with the main purpose to collect, refine, and market bee propolis. Over the past year there has been a great increase in the demand for propolis. Much of this demand is not in the USA, but comes from the International market. I write to you today to start a discussion on the topic of bee propolis. I am trying to gather the following information: How many total beehives are there in the USA and in Canada? How much propolis is available from these hives? How many beekeepers are currently collecting and then selling propolis >from their hives? Are you selling directly to consumers or sending to companies like ourselves? For those beekeepers that are not currently saving propolis for re-sale, how much would they have to get ($$$) to encourage them to do so? This is just the start of what I hope will be an interesting discussion for us all. Please feel free to contact me with your own questions on bee propolis. Thanks for your response. Linda Graham >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:32 EST 1996 Article: 3798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.c c.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!elroy.jp l.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn .edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: 11 Mar 1996 05:51:05 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4i0f09$m7r@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4hvnls$e4l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu Greg O'Dell (manette@primenet.com) wrote: : I am a beginner beekeeper. My bees are just getting through their first : winter in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Upon inspecting my two hives this weekend, : I noticed that there are many dead bees in the snow in front of each hive. I : would guess that there are approximately 1,000 dead bees total in front of th e : hives. I suspect that these bees are just old ones that are going out in the : nice weather and then die. What does concern me though, is that there are : small spots of brown/yellow liquid staining the snow in the same area as the : dead bees. I am curious if this is normal or a sign of some disease. I woul d : be appreciative of any advise or comment. Please post to this group or my : e-mail address: "manette@primenet.com" Sounds like nosema to me; treat with fumidil soon as possible. I'd suggest an entrance feeder (though I don't really like these for large volume feeding, they're good for situations such as this). You can order the fumidil and feeder from Brushy Mountain via 800/233-7929. Many beekeepers treat with this on a preventative basis. >From beehive@win.bright.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:32 EST 1996 Article: 3799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci. com!chi-news.cic.net!news.bright.net!news.win.bright.net!news From: Beehive Botanicals Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Propolis Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:46:06 GMT Organization: Beehive Botanicals Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4i6n3e$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hay-cs-1.win.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; U; 16bit) Dear Beekeepers, I write you today to start a discussion on bee propolis. Our company has been in business for over 25 years. We collect, refine and market bee products in raw material form as well as consumer goods. We are the largest dealer in bee propolis in North America. The demand for propolis is growing tremondously, especially in countries in Asia Pacific Rim. I would like to get information on the following: #1. How many beehives in the USA and in Canada? #2. How many beekeepers collect propolis? #3. How much propolis do you think is available if all propolis was collected? #4. For those beekeepers that are not currently saving propolis, how much $$$ would they need to make it worthwhile? #5. Are you aware of the health benefits from propolis? These questions are just a starting point for what I hope will be a very interesting discussion for us all. Please feel free to contact me if you have questions of your own. Best Regards, Linda Graham >From rshough@tasc.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:34 EST 1996 Article: 3800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!in2.uu.net!newsreader.read.tasc.com!rhough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 13:40:00 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <4hvnls$e4l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com In article <4hvnls$e4l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) wrote: > I am a beginner beekeeper. My bees are just getting through their first > winter in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Upon inspecting my two hives this weekend, > I noticed that there are many dead bees in the snow in front of each hive. I > would guess that there are approximately 1,000 dead bees total in front of the > hives. I suspect that these bees are just old ones that are going out in the > nice weather and then die. What does concern me though, is that there are > small spots of brown/yellow liquid staining the snow in the same area as the > dead bees. I am curious if this is normal or a sign of some disease. I would > be appreciative of any advise or comment. Please post to this group or my > e-mail address: "manette@primenet.com" > > Greg O'Dell > Minneapolis, Minnesota Some amount of this is normal - the spots staining the snow is bee excrement >from cleansing flights during thawing weather (wasn't it Frank Zappa that sang about "Yellow Snow".....) The trick is to recognize "excessive" staining - I would not be worried about staining in the snow - My concern increases when I start seeing large stains around the hive entrance. Experience will be your best guide, but that doesn't help a lot this year.... Get a local experienced beekeeper you trust to take a quick look and give you an opinion. Also, some dead bees in front of the colony is very normal (actually, a lack of dead bees can be an indicator of problems....) - Over half the population of a colony will die during a normal winter - all those bee bodies have to go somehwere.... The trick again is being able to recognize when it is excessive. Same advice regarding finding a mentor to check it out. Best of luck with your new hobby! I think you will enjoy it! Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com NE Massachusetts beekeeper with ~15 colonies >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Wed Mar 20 12:19:34 EST 1996 Article: 3801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!in2.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Re: finding wild bees Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] References: <4i4vbb$ldb@castle.nando.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:35:51 GMT Lines: 40 Finding hives in the wild was more common years ago. Wyatt Mangum at NC State (working on his PhD with Dr. Ambrose) has an extensive collection of trapping boxes. What is done is to trap several bees off the flowers, release one bee at a time, and track the bees back to the feral nest. You would be surprised at how elaborate the bee catching boxes are. You may want to give Wyatt or Stephan Bambara a call at NC State in Raleigh. Dave M. >==========Eddie Nickens, 3/12/96========== > >Hello! I write the nature column for The Discovery Channel's >Discovery >Online magazine, and I have a question I thought you folks could >help >with. I've heard about a way to find wild honeybee nests -- you >simply >burn a few heavily floral scented candles outside, on warm days in >early >spring, and sooner or later bees will find the scent. Then you can >follow >them back to their nests, following a more or less straight beeline. >Myth >or reality? Any other ways to have fun with wild bees? My column >stresses >the wildlife of familiar places, and I'm trying to come up with a >topic >and an activity that has to do with bees. Please respond to my >email >address: enickens@nando.net. Many thanks! > > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:35 EST 1996 Article: 3802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso. uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet. net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Japan World Markets Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603131116221557@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 119 *Interesting Info on Japan Honey Market Demand for Honey is Expected to Remain Stable Although Japanese demand for honey now sits at levels only half as high as those seen during the "bubble" economy, consumption is expected to remain stable in the coming years. Tradescope spoke to Mr. Tetsuo Shibuya, who works in the Marketing Division at Meidi-ya Co., Ltd., Japan's second-largest manufacturer of honey and related products, about this importdominated field. In Japan, honey has a strong, well-established image as a healthful food, and this image predates the current boom in health-food products. Although not all consumers know it, honey contains a wide variety of alkaline minerals that are an excellent compliment to the overly-acidic modern diet. At retail outlets in Japan, honey can be found not only in the confectionaries section, among assorted jams, sugars, and syrups, but also on the health-food and vitamin shelves. Meidi-ya's "Pure Honey," one of its popular honey products, for example, contains no added sugars, preservatives, or colorings, and is made entirely from natural honey. It uses a 50:50 blend of Chinese lotus honey and Argentinean clover honey to provide a taste that's well-matched to Japanese taste buds. The honey is heated in a water bath at temperatures below 60 to prevent the loss of vitamin C and then run through a filtering unit to remove any impurities. After quality inspections that cover color, taste, aroma, and vitamin content, the honey is bottled for shipment. Supermarkets Primary Distributors Supermarkets provide the main distribution route for honey products from Meidi-ya and other leading brands. Convenience stores, on average, carry two to three different honey products, also from the major manufacturers. The numerous smaller brands, which hold an estimated 30 percent of the market, can be found at lower-volume outlets such as healthfood shops and drugstores. As one of Japan's leading honey processors, Meidi-ya produces products for both the home-use and commercial sectors. When Japanese honey consumption peaked in 1990, driven by the explosive popularity of "honeyand-lemon" soft drinks, industrial demand accounted for fully 70 percent of the market, while households represented just 30 percent. Today, however, the household and commercial sectors enjoy equal shares of the demand pie, and this is expected to continue in the coming years. In volume terms, demand for honey and related products boomed along with the economy in the late 1980s. Japanese consumption soared from 42,513 tons in 1988 to 74,276 tons in 1990. With the economic slowdown and the passing of the honey-and-lemon drink fad, demand dropped back to more normal levels; consumption plummeted to 43,489 tons in 1991 and 39,628 tons in 1993. In per-capita terms, consumption peaked in 1990, at 603 grams per year. This was an anomaly, however, and annual consumption has since settled back to more normal levels, falling to 352 grams in 1991 and 290 grams in 1992. In the coming years, per-capita consumption is expected to hover around the 300 gram mark. Domestic Production Down but Firm The number of Japanese honey farmers is declining gradually; it stood at 7,211 in 1993, down from 7,453 in 1992 and 7,941 in 1991 said Mr. Shibuya. Volume has also fallen Japanese farmers produced 3,472 tons of honey in 1993, down nearly 35 percent from the 5,354 tons yielded in 1989. With the exception of 1990, however, production volume has remained nearly constant at 10 percent of Japanese consumption. Some 120 Japanese firms are engaged in processing and marketing honey products, and this number, too, has remained fairly constant. According to 1992 data, the four largest processors including Meidi-ya garnered a combined market share of some 70 percent. In 1993, for example, imports accounted for 36,181 tons of Japan's total consumption of 39,628 tons. While down substantially from the peak figure of 69,435 tons posted in 1990, imports have remained steady over the years at about 90 percent of total consumption. One downside of the decline in demand has been shrinEg shelf space at supermarkets and other retailers. Instead, more space is going to jams and jellies, which offer better turnover thanks to shorter consumption periods. Unaffected by "Price Revolution" Honey is no longer the luxury item it once was in Japan. Prices, however, have yet to be affected by the "price revolution" overtaking many segments of the retail world here. In addition to firm prices, another problem the industry faces in promoting consumption is honey's commonly held image as a sweet, high-calorie food. A full-fledged revival in demand will depend in part on whether media such as health-related magazines can be persuaded to drum up some publicity for honey products. Another potential driver of sales growth would be the development of high-value-added products made using royal jelly. Royal jelly is a whitish honey relative that is a highly nutritious secretion that is fed to queen bees. Imports continue to rise, with uses ranging from foodstuffs and vitamin drinks to cosmetics. Vitamin drinks, sales of which remain buoyant, are expected to support healthy demand for this exotic and expensive substance. Another promising new product is propolis, a type of sap collected by bees from the buds of certain trees and used as a cement in the building of their hives. Tests have shown iat propolis helps to alleviate the symptoms of people suffering from allergies. Laboratory experiments wiffi mice have even suggested that the substance has beneficial effects in the treatrnent of cancer. Findings such as these should help to improve honey's healthful image among Japanese consumers. 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How doth the little busy bee >From Drmobius@cris.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:35 EST 1996 Article: 3803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast .net!news2.acs.oakland.edu!news1.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: 13 Mar 1996 21:39:13 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <9603121735021554@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: voyager-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) wrote: : Detection of Varroa Mite : Ether Roll Test : A sample of bees from the broodnest is brushed of the combs into a : pint or quart jar with a cover. about 300 to 500 bees should be taken : to get a good sample. The jar should be no more than about one third : full. Bees from more than one colony in a yard can be combined into : one sample. loosen the cover, spray a short squirt ( one or two : seconds ) of ether starting fluid into the jar and quickly replace the : cover. The jar is shaken for 20-30 seconds and then held up and Wouldn't pure diethyl ether be healthier for the bees. Starter fluid contains petroleum ethers which are just light distillates - fatal to most breathing organisms. Is killing the bees the object? Timothy >From poultry-vote@netagw.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:35 EST 1996 Article: 3804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!lll-winke n.llnl.gov!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustai nable.agriculture,misc.rural,rec.birds,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agric ulture.beekeeping Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} Supersedes: <12598.16199.261277@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Mar 1996 01:16:16 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 332 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 23 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <826506968.15993@uunet.uu.net> References: <823403099.17386@uunet.uu.net> <12598.16199.261277@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: poultry-vote@netagw.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.agriculture.poultry Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:7365 news.groups:167989 alt.agri culture.misc:4944 alt.sustainable.agriculture:11253 misc.rural:26124 rec.birds: 33764 rec.pets.birds:56960 sci.agriculture:9690 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3804 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.agriculture.poultry unmoderated group sci.agriculture.ratites Newsgroups lines: sci.agriculture.poultry Chickens, ducks, geese, and other poultry. sci.agriculture.ratites Ostrich, emu, rhea, or cassowary ranching. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 Mar 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Dennis Hawkins Proponent: Michael & Susan Harmon Proponent: Kathryn A. Smith Proponent: Bob Weber Proponent: Steven Whatley Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.poultry Since the beginning of recorded history, mankind has owed a debt to the chicken and other poultry. Their eggs and meat have provided food for our ancestors during times of famine. Today, they are a valuable agricultural resource and many poultry farmers around the world, from the backyard enthusiast to the multi-million bird production facility, have become Internet users seeking information regarding poultry related issues. One of the main purposes of the Internet is to get information out to people as efficiently as possible. Having a newsgroup specifically for poultry will allow experienced and knowledgeable poultry keepers to share their ideas and practices with those that are less experienced. It will also allow poultry keepers to learn about the different husbandry practices used to manage poultry throughout the world. Currently there is no poultry specific newsgroup on the Internet. We have located two poultry related mailing lists. These are PLTRYNWS and DOM_BIRD. They can be subscribed to by sending a subscription request to and respectively. Both lists are quite busy. Together they generate about 15 posts per day. The PLTRYNWS list seems to specialize in scientific and medical poultry topics and the DOM_BIRD list seems to specialize in domesticated birds as pets. The mailing list owners have claimed over 600 subscribers total. This poultry newsgroup, if created, would encompass the subject matter of both mailing lists plus more. There are many people interested in poultry just waiting for a newsgroup to call home. The mention of our proposing this RFD has already caused a positive response in the form of supportive email. Currently, there are other agriculture related newsgroups on the Internet, however poultry is only a small percentage of the many topics discussed in them. While there is some discussion of chickens in sci.agriculture, the volume of poultry posts there combined with the volume of posts to the mailing lists demonstrates a clear need for a new poultry specific newsgroup. There are currently many active web pages (WWW) on the net. The number of web pages devoted to poultry indicates world wide interest in poultry topics. A small sampling of these are listed here: "The Chicken Coop" (http://www.transport.com/~lhadley/index.html) "The Chicken Page" (http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ifza664/index.html) "The FeatherSite" (http://www.cyborganic.com/People/stefan/brkpage/ FeatherSite.html) "Poultry Fancy Page" (http://www.sjc.ox.ac.uk/users/martin/andy/pfanc1.html) "Chickens On The Electronic Highway" (http://www.well.com/user/themook/) "Chick Map" (http://www.ri.bbsrc.ac.uk/chickmap/ChickMapHomePage.html) The owner of the "Chicken Coop" is . He has reported 990 hits in December 1995 and 1450 hits in January 1996. He gets an average of 5 poultry web page related email responses per day. If you multiply this times the number of other poultry web pages, you can see that there is a lot of interest in poultry in general. The name chosen for this group is sci.agriculture.poultry, which is highly suggestive of its proposed content. When people search for poultry related newsgroups, it will be easy for them to find this newsgroup. We were not aware of any poultry discussion in sci.agriculture until one of the 'group-mentors' mentioned it. Likewise, we feel that many other people are also unaware of poultry discussion there. By creating a poultry specific newsgroup, many poultry people will be able to locate it and share information and ideas. By creating this newsgroup, we will not be competing with the existing sci.agriculture group, but rather permitting people interested in both general agriculture and poultry to have their own forum. There will still be a broad range of agricultural topics that can be discussed in sci.agriculture. BACKGROUND STATISTICS FOR POULTRY DISCUSSION: Mailing Lists DOM_BIRD 200 subscribers / 10 posts daily (average) PLTRYNWS 400 subscribers / 5 posts daily (average) Obviously, if more people knew about these mailing lists, there would be much more activity and subscribers. Even still, people are UnSubscribing and leaving word that the reason was due to too many posts filling up their mailboxes. Existing Newsgroups sci.agriculture Seen up to 5 daily posts about poultry. Clearly, there would be many more posts in sci.agriculture if more people were aware of poultry discussion going on in that group. RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.ratites The Ratite Industry has grown tremendously over the past couple of years. Ray Block , producer of the CALEA News Update magazine for the California Emu Association, reports that the Jan/Feb 1996 issue of CALEA News was mailed out to over 1000 ratite ranchers. Distribution of the magazine includes issues being sent out to Canada, Japan, Spain and Australia. Recently, the ratite industry has received USDA Meat Inspection approval. This means that ratite meat can now be served in US restaurants and grocery stores. Krogers in Texas and HEB in California are already selling the ratite meat. Contact has also been established so that US ranchers can ship products into other countries, up to and including China. Further endeavors include shipping 1 Gallon Size containers of Emu Oil to the largest burn centers in 50 countries for research. A currently active ratite web site, located at http://www.axs.net/~ektor/ratite.html, has been accessed approximately 9000 times since its creation. The most active section of the web page has been the listing of ratite farmers on the internet. Currently, this page lists around 60 farmers with email addresses. Ray Williams, the pagemaster, reports that he personally receives around 40 to 50 messages a day that deal with the ratite industry. Ray is also working on opening up a commercial web site for the distribution of ratite information. This web site will be located at www.ratite.net. Finally, there are currently two email mailing lists that deal with ratite ranching. The American list, called Ratite (owned by Ray Williams ), currently has around 180 subscribers and averages about 7-10 messages per day. The Canadian list, called Ratite-News (owned by Barry Judson ), has about 50 subscribers. The mail traffic on the Canadian list is slightly less (due to less chit-chat), but the information exchanged is very up-to-date and informative. These numbers, combined with the occasional ratite post on the mailing lists DOM_BIRD and PLTRYNWS and the newsgroups rec.birds and rec.pets.birds, are enough to show that there is a definite interest on the internet for a ratite newsgroup. CHARTER: sci.agriculture.poultry This unmoderated newsgroup is open to discussion of material relating to the humane farming of chickens and other livestock fowl. All articles that are concerned with poultry farming topics are welcome in the group. 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This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.agriculture.misc, alt.agriculture.ratites, alt.sustainable.agriculture, misc.rural, rec.birds, rec.pets.birds, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping The 1st CFV will also appear on the following mailing list: DOM_BIRD Domesticated/Farmyard bird discussion group Submission address: DOM_BIRD@PLEARN.EDU.PL Request address: listserv@PLEARN.EDU.PL PLTRYNWS Poultry Health, Production and Management News Submission address: PLTRYNWS@SDSUVM.SDSTATE.EDU Request address: listserv@SDSUVM.SDSTATE.EDU sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} Bounce List (No need to revote) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deborah_Ruppert@ccm.jf.intel.com Deborah Ruppert denita@204.247.0.104 Denita Widders >From johntrn1@cris.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:36 EST 1996 Article: 3805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news2 .acs.oakland.edu!news1.cris.com!news From: johntrn1@cris.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purple Martin co-habitating with Bees Date: 14 Mar 1996 03:08:16 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4i82j0$7hj@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc049054.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) My brand spanking new hive sits on the floor next to me, all one hive body, 10 frames and foundation just waiting to be mounted. Bees are coming in the next month. I've read my book and I'm ready to try my hand. Yayy! Question: I am putting my bees on one end of six acres of pasture. Will be building my house on the other end one of these days. In the middle is my (so far) one Purple Martin House . . . do bees and martins get along? John Taylor Southeast Missouri >From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:36 EST 1996 Article: 3806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu .edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!night.prima te.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 703-414-4424) Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <9603121735021554@beenet.com> <4 i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:21:17 GMT Lines: 29 In article <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) writ es: >Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) wrote: > >: Detection of Varroa Mite > >: Ether Roll Test > >: A sample of bees from the broodnest is brushed of the combs into a >: pint or quart jar with a cover. about 300 to 500 bees should be taken >: to get a good sample. The jar should be no more than about one third >: full. Bees from more than one colony in a yard can be combined into >: one sample. loosen the cover, spray a short squirt ( one or two >: seconds ) of ether starting fluid into the jar and quickly replace the >: cover. The jar is shaken for 20-30 seconds and then held up and > > > Wouldn't pure diethyl ether be healthier for the bees. Starter >fluid contains petroleum ethers which are just light distillates - fatal >to most breathing organisms. Is killing the bees the object? > > Timothy > Yes, killing the bees (and the mites) is the object. That way the mites are dislodged from the bees and stick to the sides of the jar. After that it is pretty easy to count the number of Varroa from your sample. Larry Kellogg larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:37 EST 1996 Article: 3807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.i nternetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.na chbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Attacked Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603091804491537@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 63 *What other's say about honey and the people who produce it. Reproduced from 'The Vegan' (Autumn 1992) ,the magazine of the Vegan Society (UK) (c) The Vegan Society HEALTHY HONEY? Honey -- a pure natural food for humans coming direct from nature? That's too much to swallow. Honey is produced when nectar is mixed with the digestive secretions of the bee, and the resulting mixture is disgorged (to be fed half-digested to other bees). Its sole purpose is not to satisfy humans' sweet tooth but to provide the energy necessary to sustain a bee in flight. It is no more suitable for humans than cow's milk. How many other species consume regurgitated, pre-digested food produced by, and for another species? Researchers have discovered that honey can be contaminated with the bacterium clostridium botulinum which causes one third of all cases of infant botulism. A health warning about feeding honey to babies appears in "The Parent's When-Not-To-Worry Book" by Barry Behrstock (MD, Fellow of American Academy of Pediatrics) and Richard Trub. They state that infant botulism can produce a muscle-weakening disease in babies and has even been implicated in some cases of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Many paediatricians are now insisting that no child be given any form of honey during its first year of life. Depending on the source of the nectar, honey can also contain poisons. Dr Herbert M Shelton states: "In many parts of the world poisonous honeys are produced. I have eaten honey that was as bitter as quinine." (Source: Ahimsa, July-Spetember 1991.) He goes on to say that no person with gastric or intestinal ulcer, or any marked catarrhal condition should ever use honey. In his book "Pesticides and Your Food", Andrew Watterson states that pesticides which may be found in honey include: cypermethrin, DDT, deltamethrin, dieldrin, fenvalerate, malathion and pirimiphosmethyl. In 1988-9 gamma-HCH was present in our out of seven samples of honey checked by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF). In Bombay, honey has been found to contain BHC, gamma-HCH, heptachlor and aldrin/dieldrin but not in concentrations above the limits adopted by the World Health Organisation (WHO). An American organic food publication notes that bees may resort to drinking from a sewage leech bed or the run-off from a chemical or oil-retaining pond if cleaner sources of drinking water are not readily available. In addition to honey, numerous (so-far unsubstantiated) health claims have been made for royal jelly - the food of queen bees. However, the Consumer's Association failed to find any clear evidence that it has any medicinal benefits. "A 30g bowl of cornflakes provides 30 times more thiamin and riboflavin; 90 times more niacin; and nearly 400 times more folic acid than a 500mg dose of royal jelly. And the cornflakes are much cheaper." (Guardian 9.4.91.) Despite this annual sales in Britain top 17 million pounds. _________________________________________________________________ Vegan Society _________________________________________________________________ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Every absurdity has a champion to defend it. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:37 EST 1996 Article: 3808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.spr intlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Organic honey Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 05:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603140542461563@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 95 >Subject: Organic honey F>I recently saw some jars of organicaly grown honey! in a health food >store.Can somebody explain to me what it is? Hello All, I can't not tell you for sure without seeing the label, but 99% of the time honey found in the so called "health food" store is labeled "organic" and used as an good excuse to charge the consumer more. This is not always the case and once in awhile you will find the price comparable to the grocery store or in a rare case even less. Honey purchased from the producer would be as close to organic as you can get. Organic honey should be produced with a minimum or no use of chemicals, few can do that today and keep their bees alive. It should be extracted with out the use of heat or with the minimum use of heat and should not be filtered using any filter aid so that it contains some of the so called natural things it picks up during the extracting process such as pollen. Comb honey as rare as it is today is really the only so called "organic" honey you can be sure is close to natural or organic as you can get. Some states watch the selling or promotion of so called "organic" honey, but you can be sure that it is a rare case that goes to court. In California if a packer, such as Sue Bee, a beekeepers marketing co-op, has a natural label, called Aunt Sue, this honey is not polished filtered and is as close to organic as you can expect from a large packer. Aunt Sue or any other honey can not be sold in a retail grocery store at more then a few cents higher then their regular honey based on the , such as "Natural" or "Organic". The state's idea behind this is that unless the wording on the label which still may be different from brand to brand, but must also represent some measurable difference if the distributor wants to try to get away with price gouging. A consumer protection feature for sure. The big deal in California today is the ethnic Mexican market, and right now they are getting away with highway robbery by charging a premium for honey hocho e' Mexico, which is not different then the honey hocho e' California, USA. Many of the big chain stores have separate or two honey displays, one for Mexican labels and one for domestic labels, this way they are not easily price compared by the consumer. This has replaced the two displays they use to have, one of "organic or natural honey", and the normal display of honey. In a way these retailing straitest have been good the the honey production industry and have helped increase the consumption and price we are paid, as they for sure it has caused an increase in sales as the more shelf space we have in any store the more honey will be sold, and when it is not selling that shelf space for honey no matter what was paid in bribes to get it will decrease. Tupelo Honey at one time, I don't know about today, was one of the favorite verities for health food stores, and at one time there was some very good regulatory efforts to insure that the consumer was indeed getting real Tupelo Honey and not a thin blend or something all together different. It was a state effort, and I suspect both of these examples are the exception today as the cost to do this kind of regulatory work would be prohibitive in the light of some other real rip offs that are real consumer health issues. Such as the small problems such as corn syrup being added to honey. Sorry to say the first place you will find this type of adulteration will be at the fruit stand, or health food stores or mail order as these seem to be the last places on anyone's list to check because of the small number of consumers they serve. Today you will find most investigations are done only on complaint by other producers or producer groups or after many public complaints. When I think of organic honey myself I always think about how if honey is mis handled and what it will become, not from the stand point of our health, but the dark, sticky, and half crystallized jar's of honey that use to be so common on the grocers shelves. As all honey is organic and if not handled properly will turn to a most unattractive product. (Not what I usually say, but a polite way of saying it) Today honey is heat posturized, filtered, vacuum packed, and safety sealed so consumers get a quality and nutritious, and very safe food product. The last trip I made to one of those national health food stores you find in the malls, I was struck that they were selling honey that matched the above with only a label change. It is still Buyer Beeware when it comes to buying 'organic' honey, unless you keep on friendly terms with your local beekeeper or have some bees of your own. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:38 EST 1996 Article: 3809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.spr intlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canadian Beekeeping Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:02:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603140542461564@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 89 *Re posted from earlier post because of delivery problems...* *New Page found with web browser using text search. Latest News in Apiculture on The Beekeepers Home Page Canada For complete news in Beekeeping subscribe to the journals! _________________________________________________________________ During February and March, many hives of bees in North America are patiently awaiting the arrival of spring. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Updated March 2, 1996 * The Canadian government, mostly at the urging of beekeepers in Ontario and Quebec, has again decided to ban the importation of USA bees into all parts of Canada. The February 5, 1996, announcement extends this ban into its tenth year. Without high quality bees and queens from the southern US states, western Canadian beekeepers continue to face severe difficulties. Bees do not always winter well on the prairies and replacements for winter losses are always made at the expense of honey production. Since the ban was invoked in the 1980s, honey production in western Canada fell to 60% of its former levels. * What are Canadian beekeepers doing to replace their winter losses? Bees are being brought in from Australia at a price of $100 Canadian per package, delivery included. The three pound packages with queens will arrive in early April. Beekeepers willing to sell single-story hives in Western Canada are asking $200 each. * The latest news from the eastern USA, where varroa mites are common, is that honey production from domestic hives has been at record levels. Many beekeepers have had several consecutive record crop seasons. Beekeepers are starting to attribute this to the reduction of feral colonies (wild swarms living in trees). Feral colonies have been killed by varroa mites. (Bee Culture Magazine, Feb. 1996) The reduction of wild colonies has resulted in less competition for nectar sources, leaving more nectar in the flowers for managed hives to acquire. Properly treated domestic colonies do not suffer from the varroa pest, while wild bees may perish. Whether this scenerio is based on fact, or whether the past few years of good production is due to other causes, can not be scientifically determined. * In Canada, some forward contracts for bulk honey in 55 gallon barrels have been set at $1.20 C per pound. A beekeeper in Saskatchewan says one million pounds of honey left Saskatchewan in a one-lot shipment at a price of $1.18 per pound in January. Very little honey remains in North American producer's hands. Small quantities are selling retail for about $2.00 per pound, US. Here in Calgary, Canada, stores retail 500 grams (just over a pound) for about $3.50 to $4.50 (this is about $2.75 US currency per pound). The producer should be receiving from 95c - to- $1.25 per pound, Canadian money, in wholesale lots. * Coming up soon: The Seventh International Symposium on Pollination in Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada from June 23rd to the 28th. Lethbridge is located in the dry southern prairies of western Canada. Irrigiation systems and the hot, sunny summers make this a diversified crop area. Government research centres have focussed on a variety of projects, including irrigation, crop diversification, and pollination. Lethbridge is a scenic but modest sized city, within an hour or so of the Rockies and a couple of hours from Calgary. Make your plans early for this conference! For more information, call K.W. Richards at the research centre. 403-327-4561; fax 403-382-3156. * Students and potential students of entomology should be aware that several scholarships are available to help their studies. Our congratulations to Hannah Fraser, M. Sc. student at the University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, winner of the American Association of Professional Apiculturalist $1000 research award. Her work may lead to a better understanding and control of the wax moth which invades weak hives and stored bee equipment! To check it out Return to Beekeeping: the Beekeeper's Home Page -------------------------_ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Which a bee would choose to dream in. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:38 EST 1996 Article: 3810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.spr intlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Indian B Virus Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 06:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603140542461565@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 64 *re posted because of delivery problems* ---------------------------------------- BEEware... * I had to review this (c) article as I could not find the author to use the original. From an article in the January 1996 ASIA, INC, "SWEET DREAMS GONE SOUR" by Michelle Huang comes a report on India's Agriculture Ministry plan to become the world's largest honey producer by 1997, one season >from now. The plan was based on money, big money, million's invested in beekeeping and tens of thousands of new jobs using the more productive Italian or European Honey Bees, the same one's you and I work with. This was expected to increase honey production by 5X over the strange but wonderful open air comb and little honey producing efforts of the native Indian bees the main honey producer in India for thousands of years. The imported Italian strain of bees were also expected to boost agricultural production by beeing better pollinators. It looked good on paper and could have made a big difference to the beekeepers of India until along came "Thai sac brood" a virus which according to the Indian beekeepers and government BS was introduced into India about the same time as the build up of Italian bee improvement program started in the early 60's. The problem is so bad that in the southern areas of India's prime beekeeping pasture thousands of hives have died not from T-mites, or the Vampire mites as so many beekeepers in North America blame there own losses on, but from a virus. This has put 51,000 beekeepers in the Karnataka region out of the bee business who are now living as farm laborers or nugatory workers and according to the agricultural ministry's horticulture commissioner the 250,000 village people who collect honey from the wild Indian bees of the forests are also threatened. The commissioner still has hope that the Italian bee population can be increased, but admits they are more docile then the Indian bees that work in the tropical rains that keep the Italian's home, but still a better over all honey producers and are kept in modern hives. He says "Indian bees are very susceptible to the virus..." A unexpected side effect of importing European bee's, at least according to what some of the Indian beekeepers think. It is hoped that in time the south Indian bee population can be rebuilt with a Indian bee if one can be found that is resistant to the virus. Another area of India that was devastated in the mid 1980's by the virus appears to be slowly recovering and government plans are to continue to build their countries bee business based on the higher producing Italian bees that don't work in the rain and hopes to find some native Indian bees that are survivors of the "Thi sac brood" virus. 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The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do >From b-man@aliens.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:39 EST 1996 Article: 3811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu! bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!news-1.csn.net!magnus.acs.ohi o-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci .com!in1.uu.net!world!coopnews.coop.net!news.dx.net!NewsWatcher!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Propolis Date: 14 Mar 1996 04:36:25 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4i6n3e$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.190.82.229 In article <4i6n3e$763@bucky.win.bright.net>, Beehive Botanicals wrote: > Dear Beekeepers, > > I write you today to start a discussion on bee propolis. > > > Linda Graham We have been collecting some propolis. What is the going rate and what is your address? Kirk Jones Sleeping Bear Apiaries, Ltd. >From stcyr@texoma.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:39 EST 1996 Article: 3812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.n et!news.texoma.com!ppp69.texoma.com!user From: stcyr@texoma.com (Sherrie St. Cyr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help for Beginner Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 01:08:48 -0600 Organization: Heartwisdom Farm Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp69.texoma.com We are in North Texas (Sherman area) and are thinking of getting a hive. Does anyone know of classes, workshops, groups, etc. that might offer more than is available in books? Thanks for any help - Sherrie St. Cyr -- If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a terrible warning. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:39 EST 1996 Article: 3813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.spr intlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: JAPAN HONEY MARKETING Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603090853561536@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 120 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: market.html Demand for Honey is Expected to Remain Stable Although Japanese demand for honey now sits at levels only half as high as those seen during the "bubble" economy, consumption is expected to remain stable in the coming years. Tradescope spoke to Mr. Tetsuo Shibuya, who works in the Marketing Division at Meidi-ya Co., Ltd., Japan's second-largest manufacturer of honey and related products, about this importdominated field. In Japan, honey has a strong, well-established image as a healthful food, and this image predates the current boom in health-food products. Although not all consumers know it, honey contains a wide variety of alkaline minerals that are an excellent compliment to the overly-acidic modern diet. At retail outlets in Japan, honey can be found not only in the confectionaries section, among assorted jams, sugars, and syrups, but also on the health-food and vitamin shelves. Meidi-ya's "Pure Honey," one of its popular honey products, for example, contains no added sugars, preservatives, or colorings, and is made entirely from natural honey. It uses a 50:50 blend of Chinese lotus honey and Argentinean clover honey to provide a taste that's well-matched to Japanese taste buds. The honey is heated in a water bath at temperatures below 60 to prevent the loss of vitamin C and then run through a filtering unit to remove any impurities. After quality inspections that cover color, taste, aroma, and vitamin content, the honey is bottled for shipment. Supermarkets Primary Distributors Supermarkets provide the main distribution route for honey products from Meidi-ya and other leading brands. Convenience stores, on average, carry two to three different honey products, also from the major manufacturers. The numerous smaller brands, which hold an estimated 30 percent of the market, can be found at lower-volume outlets such as healthfood shops and drugstores. As one of Japan's leading honey processors, Meidi-ya produces products for both the home-use and commercial sectors. When Japanese honey consumption peaked in 1990, driven by the explosive popularity of "honeyand-lemon" soft drinks, industrial demand accounted for fully 70 percent of the market, while households represented just 30 percent. Today, however, the household and commercial sectors enjoy equal shares of the demand pie, and this is expected to continue in the coming years. In volume terms, demand for honey and related products boomed along with the economy in the late 1980s. Japanese consumption soared from 42,513 tons in 1988 to 74,276 tons in 1990. With the economic slowdown and the passing of the honey-and-lemon drink fad, demand dropped back to more normal levels; consumption plummeted to 43,489 tons in 1991 and 39,628 tons in 1993. In per-capita terms, consumption peaked in 1990, at 603 grams per year. This was an anomaly, however, and annual consumption has since settled back to more normal levels, falling to 352 grams in 1991 and 290 grams in 1992. In the coming years, per-capita consumption is expected to hover around the 300 gram mark. Domestic Production Down but Firm The number of Japanese honey farmers is declining gradually; it stood at 7,211 in 1993, down from 7,453 in 1992 and 7,941 in 1991 said Mr. Shibuya. Volume has also fallen Japanese farmers produced 3,472 tons of honey in 1993, down nearly 35 percent from the 5,354 tons yielded in 1989. With the exception of 1990, however, production volume has remained nearly constant at 10 percent of Japanese consumption. Some 120 Japanese firms are engaged in processing and marketing honey products, and this number, too, has remained fairly constant. According to 1992 data, the four largest processors including Meidi-ya garnered a combined market share of some 70 percent. In 1993, for example, imports accounted for 36,181 tons of Japan's total consumption of 39,628 tons. While down substantially from the peak figure of 69,435 tons posted in 1990, imports have remained steady over the years at about 90 percent of total consumption. One downside of the decline in demand has been shrinEg shelf space at supermarkets and other retailers. Instead, more space is going to jams and jellies, which offer better turnover thanks to shorter consumption periods. Unaffected by "Price Revolution" Honey is no longer the luxury item it once was in Japan. Prices, however, have yet to be affected by the "price revolution" overtaking many segments of the retail world here. In addition to firm prices, another problem the industry faces in promoting consumption is honey's commonly held image as a sweet, high-calorie food. A full-fledged revival in demand will depend in part on whether media such as health-related magazines can be persuaded to drum up some publicity for honey products. Another potential driver of sales growth would be the development of high-value-added products made using royal jelly. Royal jelly is a whitish honey relative that is a highly nutritious secretion that is fed to queen bees. Imports continue to rise, with uses ranging from foodstuffs and vitamin drinks to cosmetics. Vitamin drinks, sales of which remain buoyant, are expected to support healthy demand for this exotic and expensive substance. Another promising new product is propolis, a type of sap collected by bees from the buds of certain trees and used as a cement in the building of their hives. Tests have shown iat propolis helps to alleviate the symptoms of people suffering from allergies. Laboratory experiments wiffi mice have even suggested that the substance has beneficial effects in the treatrnent of cancer. Findings such as these should help to improve honey's healthful image among Japanese consumers. International Communication Department Fax 81-3-3582-0504 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:40 EST 1996 Article: 3814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martin co-habitating with Bees Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:13:35 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4i8ub0$soi@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4i82j0$7hj@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal02-20.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 johntrn1@cris.com wrote: > Purple Martin House . . . do bees and martins get along? John, I have a Purple Martin house that the Martins have been coming to for years which is located about 50 yards away >from several hives. I've seen no conflict between the two. The only observed conflict between bees & birds occurs at the bird bath over 'watering rights' between a permanent resident Mockingbird and the bees. And the bees so far (after five years) haven't succeeded in chasing off the Mock- ingbird either! I am looking for a truly "bee proof" Hummingbird feeder; anybody got any ideas? BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:40 EST 1996 Article: 3815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu .edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!uwm.e du!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.inter netmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:34:25 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4i8vi3$soi@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <9603121735021554@beenet.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal02-20.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > Detection of Varroa Mite Guess I've never seen the reason to go to this much trouble. First off, the mites are readily visible on the adult bees and by looking at just a few frames of bees, you can observe many thousands of bees to obtain a more detailed sampling (visually). Some may argue that by the time you can spot a problem in this fashion, then you've already got a problem (well, the same is true of the either roll test). For early detection, probably the done pupe search is best. At least you're only killing *drones* that way. Also, you probably won't have to look at very many to determine if you've got a real problem. And as far as trying to obtain some kind of count (of the mites) to determine the level of the problem: usually an Apistan strip and a piece of cardboard sprayed with Pam will capture the dead mites to give you an indication. (I've never done this; IMHO unless you're doing research, why count dead mites?) If you have a mite problem, treat - or you won't have a colony to worry about. BusyKinght Dallas, TX >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:41 EST 1996 Article: 3816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.e du!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: QUESTION Date: 14 Mar 1996 03:59:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4i85ik$6lf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4i6939$kfu@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4i6939$kfu@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, Hans-Juergen Seekamp wrote: > >who is planning to study agronomy in berlin? >who is planning to do his Ph.D. studies in agronomy in berlin? Helmut? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:41 EST 1996 Article: 3817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martin co-habitating with Bees Date: 14 Mar 1996 05:40:22 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4i8bg6$pbr@nfs1.pe.net> References: <4i82j0$7hj@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <4i82j0$7hj@spectator.cris.com>, johntrn1@cris.com wrote: >My brand spanking new hive sits on the floor next to me, all one hive >body, 10 frames and foundation just waiting to be mounted. Bees are >coming in the next month. I've read my book and I'm ready to try my >hand. Yayy! > >Question: I am putting my bees on one end of six acres of pasture. Will >be building my house on the other end one of these days. In the middle >is my (so far) one Purple Martin House . . . do bees and martins get >along? > >John Taylor >Southeast Missouri > Sounds like you are ready to keep bees! I have two Mollucan Cockatoos in a cage outside and they co-existed with no problem with a really active colony about 30 feet away. The loud cockatoo screams at dusk and dawn do not bother the bees either. You know what they say about the birds and the bees - except that I have heard that there is one kind of bird which eats bees. >From Drmobius@cris.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:42 EST 1996 Article: 3818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!new s1.cris.com!mariner.cris.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: 14 Mar 1996 22:29:53 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ia6l1$nd9@spectator.cris.com> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <9603121735021554@beenet.com> <4 i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mariner.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] LA Kellogg lawrence a 703-414-4424 (larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu) wrote: : In article <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wr ites: : >Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) wrote: : > : >: Detection of Varroa Mite : > : >: Ether Roll Test : > : >: A sample of bees from the broodnest is brushed of the combs into a : >: pint or quart jar with a cover. about 300 to 500 bees should be taken : >: to get a good sample. The jar should be no more than about one third : >: full. Bees from more than one colony in a yard can be combined into : >: one sample. loosen the cover, spray a short squirt ( one or two : >: seconds ) of ether starting fluid into the jar and quickly replace the : >: cover. The jar is shaken for 20-30 seconds and then held up and : > : > : > Wouldn't pure diethyl ether be healthier for the bees. Starter : >fluid contains petroleum ethers which are just light distillates - fatal : >to most breathing organisms. Is killing the bees the object? : > : > Timothy : > : Yes, killing the bees (and the mites) is the object. That way the mites : are dislodged from the bees and stick to the sides of the jar. After : that it is pretty easy to count the number of Varroa from your sample. : Larry Kellogg : larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.ed If you are going to kill the bees anyway why not just use an alcohol wash. It seems this has a lower detection threshold. Timothy >From b-man@aliens.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:42 EST 1996 Article: 3819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!news.dx.net!NewsWatcher!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Indian B Virus Date: 14 Mar 1996 23:37:46 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9603140542461565@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.190.82.225 In article <9603140542461565@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: Hi Andy, Thanks for the postings! What info do you know of in regards to the virus reputed to be carried by the varroa and treacheal mites? >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:43 EST 1996 Article: 3820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatec h!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping bees native to the US midwest Date: 14 Mar 1996 18:04:15 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4i9n2v$c39@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4i1eps$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: pschwal@orion.it.luc.edu X-URL: news://news/4i1eps$pme@artemis.it.luc.edu Does anyone know what bee is native to Illinois, >is it a social insect, and can it be raised like a honeybee? I >have no particular interest in harvesting the honey, though that >would be nice. > >Patty Patty, Your best source would be to call Doug Yanega at the Illinois Natural History Survey. He is at Univ. Ill. Champaign/Urbanna in the Entomology department. Maybe he is even listening now? Doug, are you out there? If you write to me I'll give you his email address or phone number. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:43 EST 1996 Article: 3821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!sdd.hp.com! night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 703-414-4424) Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> < 4ia6l1$nd9@spectator.cris.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:21:44 GMT Lines: 49 In article <4ia6l1$nd9@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) writ es: >LA Kellogg lawrence a 703-414-4424 (larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu) wrote: >: In article <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) w rites: >: >Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) wrote: >: > >: >: Detection of Varroa Mite >: > >: >: Ether Roll Test >: > >: >: A sample of bees from the broodnest is brushed of the combs into a >: >: pint or quart jar with a cover. about 300 to 500 bees should be taken >: >: to get a good sample. The jar should be no more than about one third >: >: full. Bees from more than one colony in a yard can be combined into >: >: one sample. loosen the cover, spray a short squirt ( one or two >: >: seconds ) of ether starting fluid into the jar and quickly replace the >: >: cover. The jar is shaken for 20-30 seconds and then held up and >: > >: > >: > Wouldn't pure diethyl ether be healthier for the bees. Starter >: >fluid contains petroleum ethers which are just light distillates - fatal >: >to most breathing organisms. Is killing the bees the object? >: > >: > Timothy >: > > >: Yes, killing the bees (and the mites) is the object. That way the mites >: are dislodged from the bees and stick to the sides of the jar. After >: that it is pretty easy to count the number of Varroa from your sample. > >: Larry Kellogg >: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.ed > >If you are going to kill the bees anyway why not just use an alcohol >wash. It seems this has a lower detection threshold. > > > Timothy > I guess I'm confused. What do you mean by a lower detection threshold? I think ether is used because it works quickly and provides a sticky medium for the mites to stick to the sides of the jar. The bees are heavier and don't stick to the jar. I don't see why you would want to use an alcohol wash. Does that mean you would dump some alcohol in the jar? Sounds kinda messy... Larry >From sir@map_1.iae.tu-berlin.de Wed Mar 20 12:19:44 EST 1996 Article: 3822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!raffles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.co ast.net!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news From: Hans-Juergen Seekamp Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: QUESTION Date: 15 Mar 1996 09:05:56 GMT Organization: HU-Berlin Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4ibbtk$sgv@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <4i6939$kfu@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> <4i85ik$6lf@solaris.cc.vt.edu > NNTP-Posting-Host: map_1.iae.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.0.9 i386) X-URL: news:4i85ik$6lf@solaris.cc.vt.edu Only one people ? -- ---___------------------------------------ ( _ ) SeekampsInternationalReply / \__\ + + + ( o o ) | | | \ - / |+------+ | _####__ ||+------------------+ \##/ ||| h.-j.seekamp: sir@map_1.iae.tu-berlin.de root@map_1.iae.tu-berlin.de http://map_1.iae.tu-berlin.de/~sir ------------------------------------------ >From juan@barrancas.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:44 EST 1996 Article: 3823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.i nternetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hst1us.satlink.com!satlink!un1.satlink.com!barrancas. com!juan Subject: APITOXINA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: juan@barrancas.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 20:00:59 EST Message-ID: <8303-245472801@barrancas.com> Organization: BARRANCAS - 54 329 84584 Lines: 13 PRODUCTOR DE VENENO DE ABEJAS EN ESTADO SECO MATERIA PRIMA PARA PRODUCIR - APITOXINA - DRY STATE BEE POISON PRODUCER. RAW MATERIAL FOR APITOXINE PRODUCTION. ADDRESS: ARAOZ 847 (2942) BARADERO BUENOS AIRES ARGENTINA >From dizzybeezz@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:45 EST 1996 Article: 3824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast .net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!new stf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ouch! Date: 15 Mar 1996 21:24:21 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4id8ol$poo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm looking for suggestions. I was stung yesterday on my ankle. Today the bee sting started swelling. I believe my shoe top was aggrivating it. My ankle is quite swollen by now. What can I do to reduce the swelling when the bee stung me over 24 hours ago? Also, I am looking for suggestions on the best beekeepers suit available for working bees in a hot climate. DizzyBeezz >From dizzybeezz@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:45 EST 1996 Article: 3825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newst f01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ouch! Date: 15 Mar 1996 21:32:08 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4id978$q0h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm looking for suggestions. I was stung yesterday on my ankle. Today the bee sting started swelling. I believe my shoe top was aggrivating it. My ankle is quite swollen by now. What can I do to reduce the swelling when the bee stung me over 24 hours ago? Also, I am looking for suggestions on the best beekeepers suit available for working bees in a hot climate. DizzyBeez@aol.com >From Drmobius@cris.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:46 EST 1996 Article: 3826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!raf fles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net! news2.acs.oakland.edu!news1.cris.com!galileo.cris.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: 15 Mar 1996 16:20:28 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ic5cc$akm@spectator.cris.com> References: <4i7fa1$lak@spectator.cris.com> < 4ia6l1$nd9@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: galileo.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] LA Kellogg lawrence a 703-414-4424 (larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu) wrote: : > : >: Yes, killing the bees (and the mites) is the object. That way the mites : >: are dislodged from the bees and stick to the sides of the jar. After : >: that it is pretty easy to count the number of Varroa from your sample. : > : >: Larry Kellogg : >: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.ed : > : >If you are going to kill the bees anyway why not just use an alcohol : >wash. It seems this has a lower detection threshold. : > : > : > Timothy : > : I guess I'm confused. What do you mean by a lower detection threshold? : I think ether is used because it works quickly and provides a sticky : medium for the mites to stick to the sides of the jar. The bees are heavier : and don't stick to the jar. I don't see why you would want to use an : alcohol wash. Does that mean you would dump some alcohol in the jar? Sounds : kinda messy... : Larry Soaking and shaking a sample of bees in alcohol then filtering is about 2 to three times more sensitive for testing for varroa. The lower detection threshold means that fewer mites need be present before a positive result is obtained. Timothy >From karel.bokhorst@tip.nl Wed Mar 20 12:19:46 EST 1996 Article: 3827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: KN Bokhorst Subject: subsciption X-Nntp-Posting-Host: almere10.pop.tip.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3149EB44.351@tip.nl> Sender: news@tip.nl (The News User) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: BPP Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 22:12:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Lines: 2 Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!raffles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.i net.fi!news.telegate.nl!news.tip.nl!news How can I subscribe to this news group? I do see all kind of interesting subjects but I cannot read them >From rkba@eworld.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:47 EST 1996 Article: 3828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news. cic.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!h owland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news-relay.eworld.com !news-relay.eworld.com!not-for-mail From: rkba@eworld.com (RKBA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neubie question Date: 15 Mar 1996 23:52:45 -0800 Organization: eWorld Lines: 9 Sender: root@news-relay.eworld.com Message-ID: <4ids0d$2ib@hp5.online.apple.com> Reply-To: rkba@eworld.com (RKBA) NNTP-Posting-Host: hp5.online.apple.com Hi, I'm interested in beekeeping..... anyone have a good reference for a beginner that isn't trivial.... ?? Jeff Jennings MD RKBA@pobox.com >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:47 EST 1996 Article: 3829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!newsfeed .internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: QUESTION Date: 16 Mar 1996 07:30:23 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4idqmf$ssm@nfs1.pe.net> References: <4i6939$kfu@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> <4i85ik$6lf@solaris.cc.vt.edu > <4ibbtk$sgv@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <4ibbtk$sgv@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, Hans-Juergen Seekamp wrote: >Only one people ? Die Deutschen weltweide ein Leute sind. >From chambers@plains.nodak.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:48 EST 1996 Article: 3830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!paladin. american.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!chambers From: chambers@plains.nodak.edu (Michael A Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis as antimicrobial agent? Date: 16 Mar 1996 08:07:25 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4idsrt$nqe@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone know if propolis has been used to treat bacterial infections? thanks. Mike >From pariah@cloud9.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:48 EST 1996 Article: 3831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet. kornet.nm.kr!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!usenet From: pariah@cloud9.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Bee's Death? Date: 16 Mar 1996 23:25:55 GMT Organization: Cloud 9 Internet, White Plains, NY, USA Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4ifim3$efa@news.cloud9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pariah.dialup.cloud9.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) I'm curious. How do Queen Bees die? thanx >From rclynn@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:49 EST 1996 Article: 3832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.ne t!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee's Death? Date: 17 Mar 1996 08:48:46 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ih57u$2kl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4ifim3$efa@news.cloud9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4ifim3$efa@news.cloud9.net>, pariah@cloud9.net writes: > How do Queen Bees die? Just like everything else, from starvation, disease, cold, heat or murder. Randy Lynn Blossom Ridge Bee Farm, Summerfield, NC, USA RCLynn@AOL.COM >From rclynn@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:49 EST 1996 Article: 3833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.ne t!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Neubie question Date: 17 Mar 1996 08:48:21 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ih575$2kd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4ids0d$2ib@hp5.online.apple.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4ids0d$2ib@hp5.online.apple.com>, rkba@eworld.com (RKBA) writes: >anyone have a good reference for a beginner that isn't trivial.... ?? > > The age old question. I like The new starting right with bees published by AI Root, Medina, OH and Hoe to keep bees and sell honey published by Walter Kelly Co, Clarkson, KY. A better suggestion is to go to the library and browse the shelves, then you can pick the level of detail you want. Good Luck Randy Lynn Blossom Ridge Bee Farm, Summerfield, NC, USA RCLynn@AOL.COM >From adamf@.unc.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:50 EST 1996 Article: 3834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!!adamf From: adamf@.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Attacked Date: 18 Mar 1996 03:12:50 GMT Organization: SunSITE at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4iikbi$9qp@newz.oit.unc.edu> References: <9603091804491537@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: calypso-too.oit.unc.edu Interesting...vegans have a very "controlled" view of the food chain. For a little fun, why not try reading the Usenet group: talk.politics.animals Lots o vegans and lots of interesting honey bee biology.... Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apicultural and Beekeeping Archives adamf@sunsite.unc.edu >From chainsaw@nexxus.novasys.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:50 EST 1996 Article: 3835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!news From: chainsaw@nexxus.novasys.com () Subject: Cheapest Slip/PPP Unlimited Internet acess! 2,000+ dialups in America! !!! Sender: news@baervan.nmt.edu (News Master) Message-ID: <1996Mar17.205912.11464@baervan.nmt.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:54:37 GMT Organization: Petroleum Recovery Research Center X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Lines: 36 THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL AD!!!!! IT IS A FAVOR TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY!!! 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ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL AD!!! >From mengon@eawag.ch Wed Mar 20 12:19:51 EST 1996 Article: 3836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!u wm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!ole ane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!macwm35.emp-eaw.ch! user From: mengon@eawag.ch (Wolfgang Mengon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Attacked Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:36:03 +0100 Organization: EAWAG Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9603091804491537@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: macwm35.emp-eaw.ch In article <9603091804491537@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > Reproduced from 'The Vegan' (Autumn 1992) > ,the magazine of the Vegan Society (UK) (c) The Vegan Society > > HEALTHY HONEY? > > Honey -- a pure natural food for humans coming direct from nature? > That's too much to swallow. Honey is produced when nectar is mixed > with the digestive secretions of the bee, and the resulting mixture is > disgorged (to be fed half-digested to other bees). Its sole purpose is > not to satisfy humans' sweet tooth but to provide the energy necessary > to sustain a bee in flight. It is no more suitable for humans than > cow's milk. How many other species consume regurgitated, pre-digested > food produced by, and for another species? What other purpose do we have than keeping our pump running and our muscles working? All these sugars containing in honey will just do this job. If honey tastes good and has some additional benefits why not eating it? Also saccarose extracted from beets can be used by the human biochemical system and I am pretty sure that the beet never thout when building up this sugar that it will be of use for humans. Unfortunately our bodies are not able to produce calories containing stuff while enjoying the sun. Maybe we would like to drink some human milk, but as soon as we learn to stand on our own feet we are out of this age and also the production rate is quite small. > Depending on the source of the nectar, honey can also contain poisons. > Dr Herbert M Shelton states: "In many parts of the world poisonous > honeys are produced. I have eaten honey that was as bitter as > quinine." (Source: Ahimsa, July-Spetember 1991.) He goes on to say > that no person with gastric or intestinal ulcer, or any marked > catarrhal condition should ever use honey. I guess Dr H. Shelton did not have malaria at this time so he would have eaten this honey in kilos. > In his book "Pesticides and Your Food", Andrew Watterson states that > pesticides which may be found in honey include: cypermethrin, DDT, > deltamethrin, dieldrin, fenvalerate, malathion and pirimiphosmethyl. > In 1988-9 gamma-HCH was present in our out of seven samples of honey > checked by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF). In > Bombay, honey has been found to contain BHC, gamma-HCH, heptachlor and > aldrin/dieldrin but not in concentrations above the limits adopted by > the World Health Organisation (WHO). Many people are not aware that the professionals in the analytical labs are able to detect whatever they want in whatever material they are testing. It sounds stupid but in the most remote areas of the world you may detect DDT for example in the air. Depending on the effort you will find most of the mentioned pesticides in your daily bread. The world is contaminated with thousands of pullutants that should be clear since the rise of radioactive matter in the air or the lack of ozone in stratospheric layers. But nevertheless we are living (even if some of us are starving). Headlines like DDT or lindane in honey are really not helpfull to estimate risks we have to face in our live. > An American organic food publication notes that bees may resort to > drinking from a sewage leech bed or the run-off from a chemical or > oil-retaining pond if cleaner sources of drinking water are not > readily available. People dying with thirst often start to drink their urine, so why should our bees be better humans? If you drive your car in a bigger city for only have an hour I am sure you get more carcinogens through simple breathing then by eating bees honey whose producer had a bad water supply. > In addition to honey, numerous (so-far unsubstantiated) health claims > have been made for royal jelly - the food of queen bees. However, the > Consumer's Association failed to find any clear evidence that it has > any medicinal benefits. "A 30g bowl of cornflakes provides 30 times > more thiamin and riboflavin; 90 times more niacin; and nearly 400 > times more folic acid than a 500mg dose of royal jelly. And the > cornflakes are much cheaper." (Guardian 9.4.91.) Despite this annual > sales in Britain top 17 million pounds. With this part of the polemic I fully agree. Greetings Wolfgang -------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfgang Mengon +41-1-823 55 75 Atmospheric Chemistry Group FAX: +41-1-823 50 28 EAWAG e-mail: mengon@eawag.ch CH-8600 Duebendorf -------------------------------------------------------------- >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:51 EST 1996 Article: 3837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news feed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!a ndy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EQUAL RIGHTS FOR KILLER BEES Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603171221411575@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v80ug$5uh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$ hbt@taco.cc. Lines: 125 *The OLd Drone found this road kill on the internet highway..... It may seem outlandish to many but it is a lot closer to the way it will bee or is right now. I have visited with several beekeepers who did not welcome the "Killer" bees into their bee yards but have found that they can live with them and have actually found them useful in their beekeeping operations. One of them just this week, a Texas beekeeper with 4,000+ hives in California for the almonds, told me how the F1 or first cross of these bees are very productive and since he can not control the drones whom mate with his virgin queens anyway this is good news to any commercial beekeepers who rears his own queens as he has done for years. Another beekeeper in Arizona who I have reported on before has found the extortionary brood rearing capacity of these bees to be very beneficial in making up nucs using his own queens which in time will also be F1's. He makes up 4 or 5 divides from each Afro swarm, necessary to keep them in a hive anyway, and requeens these with his own queens. ttul Andy- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Africanized" Bees Equal Protection for Bees As we WELCOME "Africanized" Bees or Brazilian-African bees, after their long journey from South America, we should try to remember if in the past we have had established bee colony in or near our home. Africanized bees, like all other bees, have enough common sense to save energy, not having to look for a new home if there are some that had been used before by other colonies. Otherwise we welcome them to aid us "freely" in our economy as effective pollinators. The various levels of anxiety towards and against the Brazilian-African bees will soon die out as we begin to adjust our attitude and accept them as positive contributors to our agriculture and the bee-keeping industry. In Brazil from where they travelled Northwards, they accomplished what they were intended to do, "improve" on the bee-keeping industry. As they approached and passed through various regions and countries people panicked. But as the public got to know them better, they stopped being such " a big deal" but good bees. They became just as bees as some other bees that need the same and equal protection under the Laws and Regulations of the Department of Agriculture. As they improved on the Brazilian bee-keeping industry, they are expected to improve on ours, and also on our crop pollination to increase production. They will interbreed and develop sustainable and improved populations, with higher resistance to diseases, parasites and predators, including humans, otherwise they are just as bees as any other bees and should not be used as an excuse to eliminate migrating bee colonies. Besides, they are not excessively vicious when they are just resting in a swarm before they move further on in search of appropriate breeding sites. Once they settle, they have all the rights to defend their colonies. We better rather open our eyes and be more aware of our immediate environment and avoid providing them with opportunity to settle where they could cause trouble. Just as we can avoid other insects and animals from becoming pests by making sure that we do not make available to them what they need to survive and breed, we can watch out for situations likely to attract bees in general, and Brazilian-African bees in particular. This African is happy to use any honey he can harvest from your home, if you don't take precautions to prevent colonization. Don't make a bee hive of your home. Modify structures that might be attractive to bees. They will provide excellent service away from residential areas. So if they swarm in residential areas, we should give them a chance to move on. If they decide to share our homes then we can do something about the colony. Being cautious in bee colony destruction will help establish the improved bee variety sooner. After all, sooner or later they will have to establish. We may get away with destroying innocent crickets, spiders, ground beetles and other non-pest populations, but we will be doing ourselves a disservice in trying to eradicate Africanized bees. "Africanized" honey bees, in my view, means good bees that can survive independently and pollinate naturally. They don't have to be domesticated and manipulated by man in order for them to do their job, and they may even survive the overuse or abuse of toxic chemicals that has necessitated the domestication of other bees for pollination. More important, any species that survives better than others in diverse environments must have positive qualities that could benefit the environment in general. They are definitely not "primitive", compared to their "civilized" cousins, the "Europeanized" honey bees. The word "Africanized" means being toughened by problems and ready to survive. The Brazilian-African bees are more aggressive, but not unreasonably so, in the defence of their colonies, resulting in the unfortunate death of a number of people. We should sympathize both with the bees and their victims. The bees, in most cases, reacted to lawn mowers and other vibration-creating machinery. They might have experienced killer pesticides in the past resulting from such vibrations from spray equipment as they moved on their way North from their release points in Brazil. We should not treat these bees as if they are the Fayes in Singapore, bringing destructive behavior. These bees are here to help and they will help, but should they be abused, will defend themselves. We have already seen that they have learned that the sound of small motors means danger of chemical poisoning, so they counter attack. The Brazilian-African bees are going to prove that they are necessary for their pollination activities. They are not going to be pests for our farmers who need them and the public in general after we adjust to them. They are instead going to release the farmers from the need to raise bees. They are going to be independent and effective bees. They will improve our agricultural production in the valleys and the apples, pears and other crops in higher elevations will produce more due to the increased and effective pollination by the Africanized bee. Then we will thank the Brazilian-African bees for Africanizing our bees. Be aware of your immediate environment. Take care of such things as broken drain pipes on your property. You would also be avoiding breeding of large cockroach population. Africanized, like African bees , prefer higher levels to nest, such as on trees, but in the absence of higher level sites, they will take any suitable ground sites. _________________________________________________________________ Eco-Care Management Strategies --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Oh, no! Not ANOTHER learning experience! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:52 EST 1996 Article: 3838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsf eed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!an dy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer_Bees Lyrics Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603171221411576@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3vb1cd$qpb@louie.udel.edu> <950727170745426@beenet.com> Lines: 51 *Another road kill found by the OLd Drone surfing the net... Artist: The Bobs Song: Killer Bees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (c) 1984 Gunnar Madsen and Richard Greene, Best of Breed Music (ASCAP) All Rights Reserved. Used by Permission. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ They're coming...at the rate of 300 miles a year... They started in Brazil, And came north through Nicaragua We call them killer bees The Sandinistas call them their "freedom fighters" An evil empire of Godless, Marxist bugs How can they be stopped?! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande Insects need no green cards They fly too low to be picked up on radar How can you just say "no" to bugs? And as they spread their Marxist pollen from flower to flower, They corrupt our pure, all American bees Remember, that the words of the devil are always dipped in honey! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande July 4th, 1990, when the dreaded bees are due to hit our border We'll have "Cans across America" Insecticide Program And every able citizen will smoke cigars And from San Diego to Brownsville Special SWAT teams will stand shoulder to shoulder... Remember America, these are red bees... all workers, no drones! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming Get our your can of spray and make a stand! --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ich ben en Bienenzuechter >From meaderyman@delphi.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:52 EST 1996 Article: 3839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news feed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news-feed.iguide.com!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Propolis Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 15:41:24 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <4i6n3e$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Kirk & Sharon Jones One of the aspects I wonder about with Propolis is how it can be standardized. We read studies that have been done on the various commercially sold preperations of garlic tablets and ginseng tablets which have found that they vary enormously in the amounts of active ingredients they possess. If this is true of preparations from a single plant, wouldn't it be much more true for propolis which comes from different trees in different locations? What labs, if any, have done the actually testing of propolis? I'm not trying to debunk propolis. I'd like to see some hard scientific evidence that it contains what they say it does and what its efficacy is. It could be that propolis from one part of the country or world is better than that from another, and consequently the harvesting of it should be stressed in that area. If the stuff is really good, let's document it and get it out of the hands of the health food faddist and into the hands of the general public. >From BDirks@gnn.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:53 EST 1996 Article: 3840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news- e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!BDirks From: BDirks@gnn.com (Barry Dirks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:12:32 Organization: GNN Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: www-11-2.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 1996 23:12:36 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Can anyone point me to an internet site that would have information on carpenter bees? I know this is a beekeeping newsgroup, but I haven't had any luck with any search engines finding what I'm looking for, specifically, do they sting or bite? I've got cedar eaves on my house and I've got a serious problem with them eating into the wood and they like to dive-bomb you as you walk past them. I'm concerned for my 2-year old girl playing in the yard. Any info would be greatly appreciated. >From pollinator@aol.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:53 EST 1996 Article: 3841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!uunet!in1.uu.ne t!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter bees Date: 18 Mar 1996 07:49:29 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 65 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ijm4p$pbs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com>, BDirks@gnn.com (Barry Dirks) writes: >BDirks@gnn.com >Can anyone point me to an internet site that would have information on >carpenter bees? I know this is a beekeeping newsgroup, but I haven't had any >luck with any search engines finding what I'm looking for, specifically, do >they sting or bite? I've got cedar eaves on my house and I've got a serious >problem with them eating into the wood and they like to dive-bomb you as you >walk past them. I'm concerned for my 2-year old girl playing in the yard. Barry: Carpenter bees appeared here about a week ago, which was an event which was cause for rejoicing. They are active in the adult form only in the spring and are extremely important in pollination of early blossoms, especially with the losses of honeybees, bumblebees, and many solitary bees from parasitic mites and pesticide misuse. Carpenter bees are extremely gentle, curious and playful. They will often hover in front of you, and play mirror games, moving from side to side, in "reflection" of your movements. Carpenter bees do not want to sting you. They can sting if threatened, so do not make violent movements, like swatting at them. If you get stung, the cause is not a vicious bee, it is your panicky behaviour. Teach your daughter to repect them, but not fear them. Panic is the biggest enemy. If you are calm, she will be too. My wife tells of her mother shelling peas on the porch and a large red wasp landing on her bare knee. All her kids were awestruck, as she calmly watched the wasp, explaining her behaviour to the children. After a couple minutes it flew off. Had she panicked, she would surely have gotten stung. My wife says that is the root of her behavior with stinging insects. She is more curious than afraid. I have watched carpenter bees over the years, and have not ever seen significant damage to wood. Each female bores a small hole, about four inches deep into a board for her nest. It is only used one year, and contains about a half dozen eggs. Most of the year the bee is in a dormant life cycle, as the adults die off and disappear in late spring I have heard a couple claims that carpenter bees did seriously damage boards. Because of their extremely imporatant role as pollinators, and their gentleness, I would be very reluctant to hurt them. If they are seriously damaging your house, you might want to talk to an exterminator, but please, only if it is REALLY necessary. I know of no web sites specifically about carpenter bees. Check our Pollination Home Page for more general info. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:53 EST 1996 Article: 3842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter bees Date: 18 Mar 1996 13:08:44 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ijn8s$jua@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: BDirks@gnn.com X-URL: news://news/4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com Take a look at http://ipm_www.ncsu.edu/insect_notes/Urban/urban_contents.html and hit the carpenter bee note. They can bite if you grab them in your hand (though I've never been biten the times I have grabbed one) and they can sting if you grab them in your hand, provided you don't grab males which can't sting. They are also territorial and try to chase other carpenter bees (or people away). Check out the note for more info. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Wed Mar 20 12:19:54 EST 1996 Article: 3843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!new sfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee's Death? Date: 18 Mar 1996 23:58:40 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4iktbh$gcd@news.sandia.gov> References: <4ifim3$efa@news.cloud9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) The ones I've seen have thier legs folded under and bodies curled. Victor in ABQ >From BDFH99A@prodigy.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:54 EST 1996 Article: 3844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!corn ellcs!rochester!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!pro digy.com!usenet From: BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spacing of hives Date: 19 Mar 1996 01:44:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap4-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 As a rank beginner I am siting 5 hives and would appreciate any any suggestions on the spacings of same. Plan to place on a moderate slope on redwood 4x4s but am concerned about the distance between hives necessary to work them solo. Also any comments on pure spar varnish for painting. Am located on edge of Calif Central Valley with about 10 day / year of 100 degree plus weather. Water close by. Thanks >From jwg6@cornell.edu Wed Mar 20 12:19:55 EST 1996 Article: 3846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newsstand.cit.corne ll.edu!cu-dialup-0710.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spacing of hives Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:45:53 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0710.cit.cornell.edu In article <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) wrote: > As a rank beginner I am siting 5 hives and would appreciate any any > suggestions on the spacings of same. Plan to place on a moderate slope > on redwood 4x4s but am concerned about the distance between hives > necessary to work them solo. Also any comments on pure spar varnish for > painting. Am located on edge of Calif Central Valley with about 10 day > / year of 100 degree plus weather. Water close by. Thanks Hives arranged as pairs, 2 per stand, is a nice way to work. The distance between them on a stand I use is say 8-10 inches. Between stands 4-10 feet to save time carrying stuff. With pairs you don't disturb other colonies with vibrations, and can work from both sides. As far as wood treatments, I prefer Cuprinol, which can be the clear or light green color. I use brown, but there are more cool than hot days in upstate NY. Sounds like you'll have some good solid stands in a desirable location. >From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Wed Mar 20 12:19:55 EST 1996 Article: 3847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt -news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.co m!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!uunet.ca!ne ws.uunet.ca!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking about diving in question Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 09:29:48 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4igpbs$43e@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca> References: <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca>, Marianne Lepa wrote: >The main thing that I would like to know before I go any further in my >investigations is: Do you ever get past the 'heebie jeebies' about all >the bees crawling on you? Yes, I think so. I can't speak for everyone, but when I first tried handling bees, I was pretty terrified of bees and almost imagined they could read my mind :) Now I'm running about 3,000 hives and for years I've often worked my bees without a veil or suit when conditions were right. As far as the crawling, I really don't mind them walking on me, if they are in a good mood, but I draw the line at having them go into my ears or nose. I don't like them getting under my clothes either, because they are likely to get pinched and then (understandably) sting me. When our son was about five, one day we happened to look outside (we kept hives next to our house) and noticed that he had opened a hive. Not only hade he removed a number of the frames with bees and brood and leaned them up against the hive, just like his dad. But he was calmly looking them over for a queen. What was he wearing? Bare feet, shorts, no shirt and no veil! Start with a reasonably bee tight outfit, then relax your guard as you learn to understand trust your bees. Getting stung occasionally is healthy. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:56 EST 1996 Article: 3848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coas t.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Land Of Milk & Honey Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 05:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603150633471567@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3ulqvc$m98@rodan.UU.NET > Lines: 189 ===================================================================== Israel Information Service Gopher Information Division Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem Mail all Queries to ask@israel-info.gov.il ===================================================================== ===================== == == == B E Y O N D == == == == MILK == == == == AND == == == == HONEY == == == ===================== Traditional Recipies from an Israel Kitchen ---------------- Embassy of Israel Office of Public Affairs Washington, D.C. ---------------- Despite its Biblical association with milk and honey, Israel lacks a long- standing culinary heritage. Only a few years ago, Israelis even doubted the existence of their own authentic cuisine. Today, most people agree that there is a distinctive Israeli cuisine, though like many aspects of the society, it is uniquely multifaceted. It reflects the various communities in the country and their diverse geographical and cultural origins. The Israeli kitchen is home to the multitude of foods and recipes which have accompanied the Jewish people's return to the "Land of Milk and Honey." Historically, the Jewish holidays are accompanied by customary dishes linked to the traditions and stories of each festival. The recipes for special dishes, such as blintzes (eaten on Shavuot) and latkes (eaten on Hanukah), have been passed down from generation to generation, and are now part of Israeli cuisine. In the years since Israel achieved independence, new culinary traditions have crystallized. There is the practice of picnicking in the countryside, where the usual menu consists of shishlik, kebob (an Eastern version of American hamburger), or steak. First courses in these outdoor meals are invariably tehina and hummus, foods stemming from our Arab neighbors which have been incorporated into the Israeli bill-of-fare. A second custom is the large Israeli breakfast. It is composed of salads, a variety of cheeses, olives, distinctive Israeli bread, juice and coffee. The loaded-down tables which characterize Israeli hospitality have their basis in Jewish antiquity. The Bible relates the story of the three angels who visited the tent of the patriarch Abraham and his wife Sarah and were treated to a lavish meal. The order and content of meals in Israel differs from that of the United States. The principal meal of the day is generally served in Israel at noontime, when the children return home from school. Very few families follow the American pattern and have their large meal in the evening. The evening meal is usually a light one consisting generally of dairy products, salads and eggs. There are a number of Jewish dietary laws stemming from the Bible which are integral to Israel's culinary heritage. According to these laws (Kashrut), only certain types of meat and fish may be eaten. Pork and rabbit, for example, are excluded, as are shellfish. In addition, dairy dishes must be cooked and eaten separately from meat dishes. Foods such as fish, eggs, fruits and vegetables ("pareve" foods) may be eaten with either meat or milk. Two sets of dishes, for milk and meat meals, are used, stored and cleaned separately. No cooking is permitted on the Sabbath, the day of rest, except for food prepared in advance that can simmer for a long time under a low flame. The traditional cholent, a robust stew, and kugel, a vegetable and noodle pudding, are two such examples. In the following, we have compiled a sampling of dishes served in the homes of Israel's varied ethnic population. You will find that there is no single Israeli cuisine in the sense that there is a French or Italian cuisine. Native Israeli cooking depends on the land of origin of the cook. Nonetheless, Israel has developed an authentic food culture which offers a wealth of colorful, rich, and delicious choices. - The recipes were all tested and tasted in order to bring you the special flavor of Israel. - We have been careful to choose only "strictly kosher" recipes--meat and milk products have not been mixed. - The quantities given in the recipes are all intended for four to six persons, unless otherwise indicated. HONEY CAKE ---------- Honey cake is the traditional cake of the "Land of Milk and Honey." Honey cake is a must for the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana, since its sweetness symbolizes the wishes for a good year ahead. 3 1/2 cups sifted flour 1/4 tsp. salt 1 1/2 tsp. baking powder 1 tsp. baking soda 1 1/2 cup nuts, walnuts, or almonds 4 eggs 3/4 cup sugar 4 tsp. vegetable oil 2 cups dark honey 1/2 cup brewed coffee Optional -------- 1/2 tsp. cinnamon 1/4 tsp. nutmeg 1/8 tsp. powdered cloves 1/2 tsp. ginger Sift flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda, cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves and ginger together (spices depend on your personal taste). Beat eggs, gradually adding the sugar. Beat until thick and light in color. Beat in oil, honey and coffee; stir in flour mixture and nuts. Grease an 11x16x4 inch baking pan and line with aluminum foil. For 2 smaller cakes, use two 9 inch loaf pans. Turn the batter into the pan(s). Bake at 325 deg F (170 deg C) 1-1/4 hours for the large cake, 50 minutes for the 2 smaller ones, or until browned and cake tester comes out clean. Cool on a cake rack before removing from pan. ===================================================================== BAKLAVA (Honey and Nut Pastry) ------------------------------ Baklava is a delicacy found throughout the Arab world. The Jews who came to Israel from Arab countries continue to prepare and enjoy the taste of baklava. This sweet pastry is sold in both Jewish and Arab markets, and comes in a multitude of varieties. Pastry ------ 1 lb. phyllo pastry sheets 1/2 cup chopped almonds 1-1/2 cups melted sweet butter Dash of ground clove 5 tbs. sugar 1 tsp. cinnamon 2 cups walnuts, pistachio nuts or hazelnuts, roughly chopped Syrup ----- 2 cups water 2 cups sugar 1/2 cup honey 3 slices orange & lemon rind 1 cinnamon stick 3 cloves 1 tsp. lemon juice Pastry: Place sheets of phyllo pastry in a 13x9x2 inch pan, brushing every other sheet evenly with butter. When ten or twelve sheets are in place, combine walnuts, sugar, cinnamon, and clove, and spread 1/3 of this mixture over the sheet. Place another five or six buttered sheets of phyllo on top of nut mixture. Repeat this process two more times, alternating nut mixture with five or six sheets of buttered phyllo. Preheat oven to 350 deg F (180 deg C). With a sharp knife, cut baklava into diamond-shaped pieces. Heat remaining butter (there should be about 1/2 cup) until hot and light brown. Pour evenly over the baklava. Sprinkle a few drops of cold water on top and bake for 30 minutes. Reduce the temperature to 300 deg F (150 deg C) and continue to bake for one hour. Syrup: In a saucepan combine water, sugar, honey, lemon juice, orange and lemon rind, cinnamon stick and cloves. Heat mixture until a drop forms when placed into a cup of cold water, then simmer for an additional 20 minutes. Strain. When the baklava is baked, pour syrup over it. Makes 30-36 pieces. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Which a bee would choose to dream in. >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Wed Mar 20 12:19:56 EST 1996 Article: 3849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!news-f eed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world !mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Ouch! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:24:37 GMT References: <4id978$q0h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 You might try soaking it in a Domeboro solution, (available at your pharmacy)but you might faint when you see the price. Ask your doctor if a benedryl elixir might be of benefit to you. It is an over the counter antihistamine in a liquid. Will make you very sleepy, so be careful about driving and using it. My wife takes it just before we move bees. Inevitably she is the one to get stung, and she reacts the most. It does help reduce the swelling and itching after the fact. I use Dadant's ready made cotton/poly zipper veil suit. It may not be the coolest (nothing is when you're moving bees) but it is realitvely inexpensive ($50-60) and resists tearing on the first thing it catches on. When you order a suit, order at least one size larger than your normal size. A skin tight suit isn't comfortable in any climate. If you are showing a strong reaction to stings, be careful. It doesn't take much to push one into shock. I'd think seriously about calling your doctor for advice. Jon Camp >From aztec@gate.net Wed Mar 20 12:19:57 EST 1996 Article: 3850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe. net!news.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!ftmfl1-51.gate.net!aztec From: aztec@gate.net (Jeanne Goldberg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: uninvited bees Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:23:52 Organization: Home Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-51.gate.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] We placed a screech owl house about 30 feet high on a pine tree. No screech owls but a large concentration of bees--the comb is already protruding from the 2 inch diameter entrance hole in the house. Question--how can we get rid of the bees so that we can remove the house and get the honey? >From chainsaw@nexxus.novasys.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:51 EST 1996 Article: 3835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!news From: chainsaw@nexxus.novasys.com () Subject: Cheapest Slip/PPP Unlimited Internet acess! 2,000+ dialups in America! !!! Sender: news@baervan.nmt.edu (News Master) Message-ID: <1996Mar17.205912.11464@baervan.nmt.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:54:37 GMT Organization: Petroleum Recovery Research Center X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Lines: 36 THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL AD!!!!! IT IS A FAVOR TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY!!! NETCENTER INTERNET ACCESS PROVIDER If you are paying any more than $15 a month then you should switch to them because they are EXACTLY half the price than the nation's leading internet access provider, IDT. 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ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL AD!!! >From mengon@eawag.ch Tue Apr 2 00:03:52 EST 1996 Article: 3836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!u wm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!ole ane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!macwm35.emp-eaw.ch! user From: mengon@eawag.ch (Wolfgang Mengon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Attacked Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:36:03 +0100 Organization: EAWAG Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9603091804491537@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: macwm35.emp-eaw.ch In article <9603091804491537@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > Reproduced from 'The Vegan' (Autumn 1992) > ,the magazine of the Vegan Society (UK) (c) The Vegan Society > > HEALTHY HONEY? > > Honey -- a pure natural food for humans coming direct from nature? > That's too much to swallow. Honey is produced when nectar is mixed > with the digestive secretions of the bee, and the resulting mixture is > disgorged (to be fed half-digested to other bees). Its sole purpose is > not to satisfy humans' sweet tooth but to provide the energy necessary > to sustain a bee in flight. It is no more suitable for humans than > cow's milk. How many other species consume regurgitated, pre-digested > food produced by, and for another species? What other purpose do we have than keeping our pump running and our muscles working? All these sugars containing in honey will just do this job. If honey tastes good and has some additional benefits why not eating it? Also saccarose extracted from beets can be used by the human biochemical system and I am pretty sure that the beet never thout when building up this sugar that it will be of use for humans. Unfortunately our bodies are not able to produce calories containing stuff while enjoying the sun. Maybe we would like to drink some human milk, but as soon as we learn to stand on our own feet we are out of this age and also the production rate is quite small. > Depending on the source of the nectar, honey can also contain poisons. > Dr Herbert M Shelton states: "In many parts of the world poisonous > honeys are produced. I have eaten honey that was as bitter as > quinine." (Source: Ahimsa, July-Spetember 1991.) He goes on to say > that no person with gastric or intestinal ulcer, or any marked > catarrhal condition should ever use honey. I guess Dr H. Shelton did not have malaria at this time so he would have eaten this honey in kilos. > In his book "Pesticides and Your Food", Andrew Watterson states that > pesticides which may be found in honey include: cypermethrin, DDT, > deltamethrin, dieldrin, fenvalerate, malathion and pirimiphosmethyl. > In 1988-9 gamma-HCH was present in our out of seven samples of honey > checked by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF). In > Bombay, honey has been found to contain BHC, gamma-HCH, heptachlor and > aldrin/dieldrin but not in concentrations above the limits adopted by > the World Health Organisation (WHO). Many people are not aware that the professionals in the analytical labs are able to detect whatever they want in whatever material they are testing. It sounds stupid but in the most remote areas of the world you may detect DDT for example in the air. Depending on the effort you will find most of the mentioned pesticides in your daily bread. The world is contaminated with thousands of pullutants that should be clear since the rise of radioactive matter in the air or the lack of ozone in stratospheric layers. But nevertheless we are living (even if some of us are starving). Headlines like DDT or lindane in honey are really not helpfull to estimate risks we have to face in our live. > An American organic food publication notes that bees may resort to > drinking from a sewage leech bed or the run-off from a chemical or > oil-retaining pond if cleaner sources of drinking water are not > readily available. People dying with thirst often start to drink their urine, so why should our bees be better humans? If you drive your car in a bigger city for only have an hour I am sure you get more carcinogens through simple breathing then by eating bees honey whose producer had a bad water supply. > In addition to honey, numerous (so-far unsubstantiated) health claims > have been made for royal jelly - the food of queen bees. However, the > Consumer's Association failed to find any clear evidence that it has > any medicinal benefits. "A 30g bowl of cornflakes provides 30 times > more thiamin and riboflavin; 90 times more niacin; and nearly 400 > times more folic acid than a 500mg dose of royal jelly. And the > cornflakes are much cheaper." (Guardian 9.4.91.) Despite this annual > sales in Britain top 17 million pounds. With this part of the polemic I fully agree. Greetings Wolfgang -------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfgang Mengon +41-1-823 55 75 Atmospheric Chemistry Group FAX: +41-1-823 50 28 EAWAG e-mail: mengon@eawag.ch CH-8600 Duebendorf -------------------------------------------------------------- >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:53 EST 1996 Article: 3837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news feed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!a ndy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EQUAL RIGHTS FOR KILLER BEES Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603171221411575@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v80ug$5uh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$ hbt@taco.cc. Lines: 125 *The OLd Drone found this road kill on the internet highway..... It may seem outlandish to many but it is a lot closer to the way it will bee or is right now. I have visited with several beekeepers who did not welcome the "Killer" bees into their bee yards but have found that they can live with them and have actually found them useful in their beekeeping operations. One of them just this week, a Texas beekeeper with 4,000+ hives in California for the almonds, told me how the F1 or first cross of these bees are very productive and since he can not control the drones whom mate with his virgin queens anyway this is good news to any commercial beekeepers who rears his own queens as he has done for years. Another beekeeper in Arizona who I have reported on before has found the extortionary brood rearing capacity of these bees to be very beneficial in making up nucs using his own queens which in time will also be F1's. He makes up 4 or 5 divides from each Afro swarm, necessary to keep them in a hive anyway, and requeens these with his own queens. ttul Andy- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Africanized" Bees Equal Protection for Bees As we WELCOME "Africanized" Bees or Brazilian-African bees, after their long journey from South America, we should try to remember if in the past we have had established bee colony in or near our home. Africanized bees, like all other bees, have enough common sense to save energy, not having to look for a new home if there are some that had been used before by other colonies. Otherwise we welcome them to aid us "freely" in our economy as effective pollinators. The various levels of anxiety towards and against the Brazilian-African bees will soon die out as we begin to adjust our attitude and accept them as positive contributors to our agriculture and the bee-keeping industry. In Brazil from where they travelled Northwards, they accomplished what they were intended to do, "improve" on the bee-keeping industry. As they approached and passed through various regions and countries people panicked. But as the public got to know them better, they stopped being such " a big deal" but good bees. They became just as bees as some other bees that need the same and equal protection under the Laws and Regulations of the Department of Agriculture. As they improved on the Brazilian bee-keeping industry, they are expected to improve on ours, and also on our crop pollination to increase production. They will interbreed and develop sustainable and improved populations, with higher resistance to diseases, parasites and predators, including humans, otherwise they are just as bees as any other bees and should not be used as an excuse to eliminate migrating bee colonies. Besides, they are not excessively vicious when they are just resting in a swarm before they move further on in search of appropriate breeding sites. Once they settle, they have all the rights to defend their colonies. We better rather open our eyes and be more aware of our immediate environment and avoid providing them with opportunity to settle where they could cause trouble. Just as we can avoid other insects and animals from becoming pests by making sure that we do not make available to them what they need to survive and breed, we can watch out for situations likely to attract bees in general, and Brazilian-African bees in particular. This African is happy to use any honey he can harvest from your home, if you don't take precautions to prevent colonization. Don't make a bee hive of your home. Modify structures that might be attractive to bees. They will provide excellent service away from residential areas. So if they swarm in residential areas, we should give them a chance to move on. If they decide to share our homes then we can do something about the colony. Being cautious in bee colony destruction will help establish the improved bee variety sooner. After all, sooner or later they will have to establish. We may get away with destroying innocent crickets, spiders, ground beetles and other non-pest populations, but we will be doing ourselves a disservice in trying to eradicate Africanized bees. "Africanized" honey bees, in my view, means good bees that can survive independently and pollinate naturally. They don't have to be domesticated and manipulated by man in order for them to do their job, and they may even survive the overuse or abuse of toxic chemicals that has necessitated the domestication of other bees for pollination. More important, any species that survives better than others in diverse environments must have positive qualities that could benefit the environment in general. They are definitely not "primitive", compared to their "civilized" cousins, the "Europeanized" honey bees. The word "Africanized" means being toughened by problems and ready to survive. The Brazilian-African bees are more aggressive, but not unreasonably so, in the defence of their colonies, resulting in the unfortunate death of a number of people. We should sympathize both with the bees and their victims. The bees, in most cases, reacted to lawn mowers and other vibration-creating machinery. They might have experienced killer pesticides in the past resulting from such vibrations from spray equipment as they moved on their way North from their release points in Brazil. We should not treat these bees as if they are the Fayes in Singapore, bringing destructive behavior. These bees are here to help and they will help, but should they be abused, will defend themselves. We have already seen that they have learned that the sound of small motors means danger of chemical poisoning, so they counter attack. The Brazilian-African bees are going to prove that they are necessary for their pollination activities. They are not going to be pests for our farmers who need them and the public in general after we adjust to them. They are instead going to release the farmers from the need to raise bees. They are going to be independent and effective bees. They will improve our agricultural production in the valleys and the apples, pears and other crops in higher elevations will produce more due to the increased and effective pollination by the Africanized bee. Then we will thank the Brazilian-African bees for Africanizing our bees. Be aware of your immediate environment. Take care of such things as broken drain pipes on your property. You would also be avoiding breeding of large cockroach population. Africanized, like African bees , prefer higher levels to nest, such as on trees, but in the absence of higher level sites, they will take any suitable ground sites. _________________________________________________________________ Eco-Care Management Strategies --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Oh, no! Not ANOTHER learning experience! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:53 EST 1996 Article: 3838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsf eed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!an dy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killer_Bees Lyrics Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603171221411576@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3vb1cd$qpb@louie.udel.edu> <950727170745426@beenet.com> Lines: 51 *Another road kill found by the OLd Drone surfing the net... Artist: The Bobs Song: Killer Bees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (c) 1984 Gunnar Madsen and Richard Greene, Best of Breed Music (ASCAP) All Rights Reserved. Used by Permission. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ They're coming...at the rate of 300 miles a year... They started in Brazil, And came north through Nicaragua We call them killer bees The Sandinistas call them their "freedom fighters" An evil empire of Godless, Marxist bugs How can they be stopped?! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande Insects need no green cards They fly too low to be picked up on radar How can you just say "no" to bugs? And as they spread their Marxist pollen from flower to flower, They corrupt our pure, all American bees Remember, that the words of the devil are always dipped in honey! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming They're going to swarm across the Rio Grande July 4th, 1990, when the dreaded bees are due to hit our border We'll have "Cans across America" Insecticide Program And every able citizen will smoke cigars And from San Diego to Brownsville Special SWAT teams will stand shoulder to shoulder... Remember America, these are red bees... all workers, no drones! The Bees The killer bees are coming Spreading fear and terror in our land They're always buzzing, never humming Get our your can of spray and make a stand! --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ich ben en Bienenzuechter >From meaderyman@delphi.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:53 EST 1996 Article: 3839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news feed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news-feed.iguide.com!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Propolis Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 15:41:24 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <4i6n3e$763@bucky.win.bright.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Kirk & Sharon Jones One of the aspects I wonder about with Propolis is how it can be standardized. We read studies that have been done on the various commercially sold preperations of garlic tablets and ginseng tablets which have found that they vary enormously in the amounts of active ingredients they possess. If this is true of preparations from a single plant, wouldn't it be much more true for propolis which comes from different trees in different locations? What labs, if any, have done the actually testing of propolis? I'm not trying to debunk propolis. I'd like to see some hard scientific evidence that it contains what they say it does and what its efficacy is. It could be that propolis from one part of the country or world is better than that from another, and consequently the harvesting of it should be stressed in that area. If the stuff is really good, let's document it and get it out of the hands of the health food faddist and into the hands of the general public. >From BDirks@gnn.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:54 EST 1996 Article: 3840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!ne ws.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news- e2a.gnn.com!pop.gnn.com!BDirks From: BDirks@gnn.com (Barry Dirks) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter bees Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:12:32 Organization: GNN Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: www-11-2.gnn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-GNN-NewsServer-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 1996 23:12:36 GMT X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Can anyone point me to an internet site that would have information on carpenter bees? I know this is a beekeeping newsgroup, but I haven't had any luck with any search engines finding what I'm looking for, specifically, do they sting or bite? I've got cedar eaves on my house and I've got a serious problem with them eating into the wood and they like to dive-bomb you as you walk past them. I'm concerned for my 2-year old girl playing in the yard. Any info would be greatly appreciated. >From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:55 EST 1996 Article: 3841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!news.new-york.net!uunet!in1.uu.ne t!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter bees Date: 18 Mar 1996 07:49:29 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 65 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ijm4p$pbs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com>, BDirks@gnn.com (Barry Dirks) writes: >BDirks@gnn.com >Can anyone point me to an internet site that would have information on >carpenter bees? I know this is a beekeeping newsgroup, but I haven't had any >luck with any search engines finding what I'm looking for, specifically, do >they sting or bite? I've got cedar eaves on my house and I've got a serious >problem with them eating into the wood and they like to dive-bomb you as you >walk past them. I'm concerned for my 2-year old girl playing in the yard. Barry: Carpenter bees appeared here about a week ago, which was an event which was cause for rejoicing. They are active in the adult form only in the spring and are extremely important in pollination of early blossoms, especially with the losses of honeybees, bumblebees, and many solitary bees from parasitic mites and pesticide misuse. Carpenter bees are extremely gentle, curious and playful. They will often hover in front of you, and play mirror games, moving from side to side, in "reflection" of your movements. Carpenter bees do not want to sting you. They can sting if threatened, so do not make violent movements, like swatting at them. If you get stung, the cause is not a vicious bee, it is your panicky behaviour. Teach your daughter to repect them, but not fear them. Panic is the biggest enemy. If you are calm, she will be too. My wife tells of her mother shelling peas on the porch and a large red wasp landing on her bare knee. All her kids were awestruck, as she calmly watched the wasp, explaining her behaviour to the children. After a couple minutes it flew off. Had she panicked, she would surely have gotten stung. My wife says that is the root of her behavior with stinging insects. She is more curious than afraid. I have watched carpenter bees over the years, and have not ever seen significant damage to wood. Each female bores a small hole, about four inches deep into a board for her nest. It is only used one year, and contains about a half dozen eggs. Most of the year the bee is in a dormant life cycle, as the adults die off and disappear in late spring I have heard a couple claims that carpenter bees did seriously damage boards. Because of their extremely imporatant role as pollinators, and their gentleness, I would be very reluctant to hurt them. If they are seriously damaging your house, you might want to talk to an exterminator, but please, only if it is REALLY necessary. I know of no web sites specifically about carpenter bees. Check our Pollination Home Page for more general info. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Tue Apr 2 00:03:55 EST 1996 Article: 3842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carpenter bees Date: 18 Mar 1996 13:08:44 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ijn8s$jua@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: BDirks@gnn.com X-URL: news://news/4ii694$c37@news-e2c.gnn.com Take a look at http://ipm_www.ncsu.edu/insect_notes/Urban/urban_contents.html and hit the carpenter bee note. They can bite if you grab them in your hand (though I've never been biten the times I have grabbed one) and they can sting if you grab them in your hand, provided you don't grab males which can't sting. They are also territorial and try to chase other carpenter bees (or people away). Check out the note for more info. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Tue Apr 2 00:03:56 EST 1996 Article: 3843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!new sfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Bee's Death? Date: 18 Mar 1996 23:58:40 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4iktbh$gcd@news.sandia.gov> References: <4ifim3$efa@news.cloud9.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) The ones I've seen have thier legs folded under and bodies curled. Victor in ABQ >From BDFH99A@prodigy.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:56 EST 1996 Article: 3844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!corn ellcs!rochester!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!pro digy.com!usenet From: BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spacing of hives Date: 19 Mar 1996 01:44:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap4-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 As a rank beginner I am siting 5 hives and would appreciate any any suggestions on the spacings of same. Plan to place on a moderate slope on redwood 4x4s but am concerned about the distance between hives necessary to work them solo. Also any comments on pure spar varnish for painting. Am located on edge of Calif Central Valley with about 10 day / year of 100 degree plus weather. Water close by. Thanks >From jwg6@cornell.edu Tue Apr 2 00:03:57 EST 1996 Article: 3846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newsstand.cit.corne ll.edu!cu-dialup-0710.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spacing of hives Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:45:53 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 17 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0710.cit.cornell.edu In article <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) wrote: > As a rank beginner I am siting 5 hives and would appreciate any any > suggestions on the spacings of same. Plan to place on a moderate slope > on redwood 4x4s but am concerned about the distance between hives > necessary to work them solo. Also any comments on pure spar varnish for > painting. Am located on edge of Calif Central Valley with about 10 day > / year of 100 degree plus weather. Water close by. Thanks Hives arranged as pairs, 2 per stand, is a nice way to work. The distance between them on a stand I use is say 8-10 inches. Between stands 4-10 feet to save time carrying stuff. With pairs you don't disturb other colonies with vibrations, and can work from both sides. As far as wood treatments, I prefer Cuprinol, which can be the clear or light green color. I use brown, but there are more cool than hot days in upstate NY. Sounds like you'll have some good solid stands in a desirable location. >From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Apr 2 00:03:57 EST 1996 Article: 3847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!gt -news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.co m!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!uunet.ca!ne ws.uunet.ca!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thinking about diving in question Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 09:29:48 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4igpbs$43e@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca> References: <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <31410DD7.A8F@mail.flarc.edu.on.ca>, Marianne Lepa wrote: >The main thing that I would like to know before I go any further in my >investigations is: Do you ever get past the 'heebie jeebies' about all >the bees crawling on you? Yes, I think so. I can't speak for everyone, but when I first tried handling bees, I was pretty terrified of bees and almost imagined they could read my mind :) Now I'm running about 3,000 hives and for years I've often worked my bees without a veil or suit when conditions were right. As far as the crawling, I really don't mind them walking on me, if they are in a good mood, but I draw the line at having them go into my ears or nose. I don't like them getting under my clothes either, because they are likely to get pinched and then (understandably) sting me. When our son was about five, one day we happened to look outside (we kept hives next to our house) and noticed that he had opened a hive. Not only hade he removed a number of the frames with bees and brood and leaned them up against the hive, just like his dad. But he was calmly looking them over for a queen. What was he wearing? Bare feet, shorts, no shirt and no veil! Start with a reasonably bee tight outfit, then relax your guard as you learn to understand trust your bees. Getting stung occasionally is healthy. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:58 EST 1996 Article: 3848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coas t.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Land Of Milk & Honey Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 05:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603150633471567@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3ulqvc$m98@rodan.UU.NET > Lines: 189 ===================================================================== Israel Information Service Gopher Information Division Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem Mail all Queries to ask@israel-info.gov.il ===================================================================== ===================== == == == B E Y O N D == == == == MILK == == == == AND == == == == HONEY == == == ===================== Traditional Recipies from an Israel Kitchen ---------------- Embassy of Israel Office of Public Affairs Washington, D.C. ---------------- Despite its Biblical association with milk and honey, Israel lacks a long- standing culinary heritage. Only a few years ago, Israelis even doubted the existence of their own authentic cuisine. Today, most people agree that there is a distinctive Israeli cuisine, though like many aspects of the society, it is uniquely multifaceted. It reflects the various communities in the country and their diverse geographical and cultural origins. The Israeli kitchen is home to the multitude of foods and recipes which have accompanied the Jewish people's return to the "Land of Milk and Honey." Historically, the Jewish holidays are accompanied by customary dishes linked to the traditions and stories of each festival. The recipes for special dishes, such as blintzes (eaten on Shavuot) and latkes (eaten on Hanukah), have been passed down from generation to generation, and are now part of Israeli cuisine. In the years since Israel achieved independence, new culinary traditions have crystallized. There is the practice of picnicking in the countryside, where the usual menu consists of shishlik, kebob (an Eastern version of American hamburger), or steak. First courses in these outdoor meals are invariably tehina and hummus, foods stemming from our Arab neighbors which have been incorporated into the Israeli bill-of-fare. A second custom is the large Israeli breakfast. It is composed of salads, a variety of cheeses, olives, distinctive Israeli bread, juice and coffee. The loaded-down tables which characterize Israeli hospitality have their basis in Jewish antiquity. The Bible relates the story of the three angels who visited the tent of the patriarch Abraham and his wife Sarah and were treated to a lavish meal. The order and content of meals in Israel differs from that of the United States. The principal meal of the day is generally served in Israel at noontime, when the children return home from school. Very few families follow the American pattern and have their large meal in the evening. The evening meal is usually a light one consisting generally of dairy products, salads and eggs. There are a number of Jewish dietary laws stemming from the Bible which are integral to Israel's culinary heritage. According to these laws (Kashrut), only certain types of meat and fish may be eaten. Pork and rabbit, for example, are excluded, as are shellfish. In addition, dairy dishes must be cooked and eaten separately from meat dishes. Foods such as fish, eggs, fruits and vegetables ("pareve" foods) may be eaten with either meat or milk. Two sets of dishes, for milk and meat meals, are used, stored and cleaned separately. No cooking is permitted on the Sabbath, the day of rest, except for food prepared in advance that can simmer for a long time under a low flame. The traditional cholent, a robust stew, and kugel, a vegetable and noodle pudding, are two such examples. In the following, we have compiled a sampling of dishes served in the homes of Israel's varied ethnic population. You will find that there is no single Israeli cuisine in the sense that there is a French or Italian cuisine. Native Israeli cooking depends on the land of origin of the cook. Nonetheless, Israel has developed an authentic food culture which offers a wealth of colorful, rich, and delicious choices. - The recipes were all tested and tasted in order to bring you the special flavor of Israel. - We have been careful to choose only "strictly kosher" recipes--meat and milk products have not been mixed. - The quantities given in the recipes are all intended for four to six persons, unless otherwise indicated. HONEY CAKE ---------- Honey cake is the traditional cake of the "Land of Milk and Honey." Honey cake is a must for the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana, since its sweetness symbolizes the wishes for a good year ahead. 3 1/2 cups sifted flour 1/4 tsp. salt 1 1/2 tsp. baking powder 1 tsp. baking soda 1 1/2 cup nuts, walnuts, or almonds 4 eggs 3/4 cup sugar 4 tsp. vegetable oil 2 cups dark honey 1/2 cup brewed coffee Optional -------- 1/2 tsp. cinnamon 1/4 tsp. nutmeg 1/8 tsp. powdered cloves 1/2 tsp. ginger Sift flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda, cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves and ginger together (spices depend on your personal taste). Beat eggs, gradually adding the sugar. Beat until thick and light in color. Beat in oil, honey and coffee; stir in flour mixture and nuts. Grease an 11x16x4 inch baking pan and line with aluminum foil. For 2 smaller cakes, use two 9 inch loaf pans. Turn the batter into the pan(s). Bake at 325 deg F (170 deg C) 1-1/4 hours for the large cake, 50 minutes for the 2 smaller ones, or until browned and cake tester comes out clean. Cool on a cake rack before removing from pan. ===================================================================== BAKLAVA (Honey and Nut Pastry) ------------------------------ Baklava is a delicacy found throughout the Arab world. The Jews who came to Israel from Arab countries continue to prepare and enjoy the taste of baklava. This sweet pastry is sold in both Jewish and Arab markets, and comes in a multitude of varieties. Pastry ------ 1 lb. phyllo pastry sheets 1/2 cup chopped almonds 1-1/2 cups melted sweet butter Dash of ground clove 5 tbs. sugar 1 tsp. cinnamon 2 cups walnuts, pistachio nuts or hazelnuts, roughly chopped Syrup ----- 2 cups water 2 cups sugar 1/2 cup honey 3 slices orange & lemon rind 1 cinnamon stick 3 cloves 1 tsp. lemon juice Pastry: Place sheets of phyllo pastry in a 13x9x2 inch pan, brushing every other sheet evenly with butter. When ten or twelve sheets are in place, combine walnuts, sugar, cinnamon, and clove, and spread 1/3 of this mixture over the sheet. Place another five or six buttered sheets of phyllo on top of nut mixture. Repeat this process two more times, alternating nut mixture with five or six sheets of buttered phyllo. Preheat oven to 350 deg F (180 deg C). With a sharp knife, cut baklava into diamond-shaped pieces. Heat remaining butter (there should be about 1/2 cup) until hot and light brown. Pour evenly over the baklava. Sprinkle a few drops of cold water on top and bake for 30 minutes. Reduce the temperature to 300 deg F (150 deg C) and continue to bake for one hour. Syrup: In a saucepan combine water, sugar, honey, lemon juice, orange and lemon rind, cinnamon stick and cloves. Heat mixture until a drop forms when placed into a cup of cold water, then simmer for an additional 20 minutes. Strain. When the baklava is baked, pour syrup over it. Makes 30-36 pieces. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Which a bee would choose to dream in. >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Apr 2 00:03:58 EST 1996 Article: 3849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!news-f eed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world !mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Ouch! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:24:37 GMT References: <4id978$q0h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 You might try soaking it in a Domeboro solution, (available at your pharmacy)but you might faint when you see the price. Ask your doctor if a benedryl elixir might be of benefit to you. It is an over the counter antihistamine in a liquid. Will make you very sleepy, so be careful about driving and using it. My wife takes it just before we move bees. Inevitably she is the one to get stung, and she reacts the most. It does help reduce the swelling and itching after the fact. I use Dadant's ready made cotton/poly zipper veil suit. It may not be the coolest (nothing is when you're moving bees) but it is realitvely inexpensive ($50-60) and resists tearing on the first thing it catches on. When you order a suit, order at least one size larger than your normal size. A skin tight suit isn't comfortable in any climate. If you are showing a strong reaction to stings, be careful. It doesn't take much to push one into shock. I'd think seriously about calling your doctor for advice. Jon Camp >From aztec@gate.net Tue Apr 2 00:03:59 EST 1996 Article: 3850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe. net!news.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!ftmfl1-51.gate.net!aztec From: aztec@gate.net (Jeanne Goldberg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: uninvited bees Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:23:52 Organization: Home Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ftmfl1-51.gate.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] We placed a screech owl house about 30 feet high on a pine tree. No screech owls but a large concentration of bees--the comb is already protruding from the 2 inch diameter entrance hole in the house. Question--how can we get rid of the bees so that we can remove the house and get the honey? >From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Tue Apr 2 00:03:59 EST 1996 Article: 3851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.uc sd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!dialup-6702 From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen Substitutes Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 14:18:02 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ipemi$27q@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.72 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Here in Oz we are going more to feeding substitutes for pollen to try and save on the high cost of transporting our bees around the countryside to keep them alive. Has anyone in the US and Canada favourite recipes they are willing to share? Cheers Peter Murphy pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Cheers Peter Murphy Tamworth New South Wales, Country Music Capital of Australia >From bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk Tue Apr 2 00:04:00 EST 1996 Article: 3852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: Propolis as antimicrobial agent? Sender: news@csc.liv.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:26:53 GMT Lines: 14 References: <4idsrt$nqe@daily-planet.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bbeattie@kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Michael A Chambers (chambers@plains.nodak.edu) wrote: > Does anyone know if propolis has been used to treat bacterial infections? > thanks. > Mike I believe there has been quite a lot of research on propolis, and it does have antibacterial properties. There are, certainly in the U.K., bee businesses which market tinctures of propolis as having antibacterial properties. The problem is, there's no way of standardising its composition, as would be done with licensed drugs. So it gets classed with herbal treatments. Bridget. >From jwg6@cornell.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:00 EST 1996 Article: 3853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!n ewsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde! howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news-1 .csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0901.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uninvited bees Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 08:22:23 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 20 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0901.cit.cornell.edu In article , aztec@gate.net (Jeanne Goldberg) wrote : > We placed a screech owl house about 30 feet high on a pine tree. No screech > owls but a large concentration of bees--the comb is already protruding from > the 2 inch diameter entrance hole in the house. Question--how can we get rid > of the bees so that we can remove the house and get the honey? Hi Jeanne. By all means, contact a beekeeper to transfer the colony out of the owl house. This will be pretty easy (and if you want whatever honey/beeswax is there, just let them know). If you kill the bees with pesticide you'll ruin the hney and wax. The box will have the scent of the bees after it is cleaned out, however, and another swarm may take up residence eventually. They are attracted to spots where bees have nested before. Or let the bees stay, in their wild nest. They will benefit your garden. Then you can put up another box for owls. Perhaps some other readers know of a way to discourage bees from such a nest site?? >From n4mwd@magg.net Tue Apr 2 00:04:01 EST 1996 Article: 3854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.magg.net!ne ws From: n4mwd@magg.net (Dennis Hawkins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,misc.rural,alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc,alt .sustainable.agriculture,rec.pets.birds,alt.agriculture.ratite,sci.agriculture. beekeeping Subject: LAST CHANCE to vote for POULTRY NEWSGROUP (almost) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 21:55:07 GMT Organization: M.A.G. Information Services (MAGG.NET) Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4isj4e$dcs@dopey.magg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wpb-122.magg.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:9839 misc.rural:26426 alt.agriculture.mi sc:5001 alt.sustainable.agriculture:11493 rec.pets.birds:57441 alt.agriculture. ratite:57 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3854 The vote for the poultry/ratite newsgroup will close tomorrow, Friday, March 22, 1996. If you have already voted YES, thank you very much! Whether you are a poultry fancier, a poultry professional, or you just plain like chickens and/or ostriches, let me encourage you to vote YES right away. Because it takes about 24 hours to receive the necessary CFV ballot document from the votetaker's mail server, today is just about the last chance you will have to vote YES for the poultry newsgroup if you do not already have a copy of the CFV ballot document. If this note is delayed getting to you, please don't let it discourage you and you should vote YES anyway. Since you may be living in a different part of the world than the votetaker, he informs me that he means UTC time and that all votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 Mar 1996. If you would like to vote YES for the poultry newsgroup, you can do so via email. Instructions are available on the web page: http://www.afn.org/~afn40110/newsgrp.html If you are not able to access the web page, please send me email and I will forward its content to you. PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT YOUR YES VOTE WON'T MATTER!! Every vote counts, assuming that it was cast properly (see web page for instructions). More often than not, a newsgroup will fail by just a narrow margin of votes. Take the newsgroup proposal for "comp.databases.filemaker" for example. It is not related to the poultry newsgroup in any way, but it makes a good example because it just failed on March 16, 1996 by THREE votes. Check the postings in news.groups for reference. This is what we DON'T want to see happen to the poultry newsgroup. Again, if you have already voted and recieved two confirmations back - THANK YOU! If you haven't voted YES, but would like to, please check out the web page mentioned above for instructions. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me directly via email. I will be checking my email several times a day from now until the time that the vote closes in order to assist people. Once again - THANKS! Dennis Hawkins n4mwd@amsat.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vote: [ YES ] sci.agriculture.poultry [ YES ] sci.agriculture.ratites VOTE CLOSES MARCH 22, 1996 !!! >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:01 EST 1996 Article: 3855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp.netrex.net!news.voyager.net!news.ent eract.com!news.inap.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swri nde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uninvited bees Date: 20 Mar 1996 14:36:50 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ip562$6ed@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:aztec.64.0012665C@gate.net aztec@gate.net (Jeanne Goldberg) wrote: >We placed a screech owl house about 30 feet high on a pine tree. No screech >owls but a large concentration of bees--the comb is already protruding from >the 2 inch diameter entrance hole in the house. Question--how can we get rid >of the bees so that we can remove the house and get the honey? This is an interesting problem! I would suggest asking your local police for t he names of beekeepers in your area. If you want any stored honey, the bees must not be de stroyed with insecticides until the honey is taken, so beekeepers rather than exterminators would be your best bet. However, your situation would probably not be of interest to most be ekeepers since the bird house is so high. With luck you may find one who would take on the job, but be prepared to pay for it. Unless you have experience working with bees, I wou ld definitely not recommend you do it yourself. >From katsmith@vt.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:02 EST 1996 Article: 3856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usen et From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,misc.r ural,rec.birds,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: REMINDER: CFV:sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} Date: 22 Mar 1996 03:50:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 99 Message-ID: <4it82b$ai9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-3.sl013.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:169799 alt.agriculture.misc:5002 alt.sustain able.agriculture:11496 misc.rural:26444 rec.birds:34248 rec.pets.birds:57485 sc i.agriculture:9840 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3856 Hello everyone, I wanted to send out this reminder out to the various newsgroups. There is only 1 day left to cast your vote. The final day to vote is March 22nd. If you have already voted, thank you for taking the time and please excuse this reminder. If you have any questions, please contact me or one of the other CFV proponents. Kathryn A. Smith katsmith@vt.edu ---------------------------- Voting via a newsgroup ------------------------- For a copy of the CFV see the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups. Please read the directions carefully on how to vote. Your vote will not be counted if the procedure is not followed. This is very important. Please vote for both newsgroups being proposed. Be sure to include your real name on the line "Voter's Name". This is kind of buried in the ballot, so be sure to look for it. You will receive two letters back from the automated vote counter should your vote be processed correctly. ---------------- How to get your own CFV via email -------------------- How to vote using email. It's VERY important that you follow these directions EXACTLY! 1. Open a NEW mail message and address it to: poultry-cfv-request@netagw.com 2. Under the Subject put: request cfv 3. For the BODY of the message : leave blank 4. Then send your mail message off. This will request your own personal copy of the CFV delivered right to your own mailbox. It may take a day or so (I requested mine yesterday afternoon and received it this morning) before you receive it. Look in your mailbox for an incoming message with the following subject: copy of CFV: "sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites}" proposal When you GET this email message do the following: 1. Open the email message. 2. Take the time to READ the entire thing, word for word. This will save yourself headaches and possibly an invalid vote. 3. Now it's time to send in your vote. At this point there are two options: a) if you have the option of including the mail text when you reply, then just reply. If you use the reply option, you need to DELETE everything except for the ballot. There are lines before and after the ballot specifically SAYING to delete everything before this line and after the other. b) Otherwise, read down until you find the actual ballot, and highlight it, then copy it and paste it into a new mail message 4. You should now have a mail message up on the screen, with the ballot part in the body. 5. Make SURE that you change WHO the message is being sent to, it SHOULD be sent to: poultry-vote@netagw.com 6. Now in the ballot, look for a place that says: Voter Name: It's kind of hidden so you might have to search for it. In that place, you need to type in your name. 7. Now between the [ and the ] is where you need to type in your vote. Valid votes are: YES, NO, ABSTAIN and CANCEL. There are two newsgroups, please indicate your vote for BOTH newsgroups. You can vote differently for both if you would like. After typing in your vote for both the newsgroups between the [ and the ], then it's time to send in your vote. Before hitting that send button, double check to make sure of the following: a) Mail message is addressed to: poultry-vote@netagw.com b) You have ONLY the ballot in the main body c) You've typed in your name d) You voted to both newsgroups e) You've typed in your vote between the [ and the ] 8. After you've double-checked these 5 things, then go ahead and send off your vote. You should receive a confirmation of your vote within a few days through email. If you do not receive it within say 4 days (allow for some netlag), I would try repeating your steps again. If they received your first vote, and get a second one. The first one is thrown out and the second one is kept (so placing two votes from the same email account doesn't work). >From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:02 EST 1996 Article: 3857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.c om!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.co m!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:01:33 -0500 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.ogo.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) CC: moore@cat.ogo.dec.com I'm curious and just begining, o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker o are there any tricks to it o anyone ever have a bad experience smoking the bees with ... o what advice about transporting, handling, and extinguishing o any funny and educational anecdotes. I remember the time ... Thanks, Jim Moore >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:03 EST 1996 Article: 3858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coas t.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603171433021578@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4ia6l1$nd9@spectator.cris.com> <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <96031217350 Lines: 40 D>From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) >Subject: Re: Varroa Ether Roll Test D>If you are going to kill the bees anyway why not just use an alcohol >wash. It seems this has a lower detection threshold. Hello Timothy, The reason we use ether is because almost every commercial beekeeper carries a can in his truck to start it when we play the radio too long or to start the fork lift when we forget and leave the switch on. Starting fluid is ideal for field testing because it is cheep and can just about be purchased in any auto parts store or gas station and it contains enough impurities to coat the inside of the jar to capture the mites that fall off the bees, and it kills the bees fast. You could use just about anything from water to gasoline to do the same job if you had too. Water would take longer and require some shaking to dislodge the mites. Gasoline would not be smart to use around a bee smoker, but would work in a pinch. If you have all diesel equipment as many beekeepers do, you may not like using either and many use some form of liquid wrench which is high test diesel to start bulky diesel engine's and this could also be used to kill bees for mite tests. The original material I used myself was just a small collection tube and alcohol, works great for bees you can see the mites on and the bee can be used for other tests or just held for review. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:04 EST 1996 Article: 3859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uun et!in2.uu.net!news.gte.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet! colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thorne Beehives Web site Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603181935301580@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 47 New Beekeeping Web Site The beekeeping information and sites continue to grown on the internet with the addition of the E.H. Thorne, LTD, beekeeping supplier in England. Surf to the Beekeeper Pages and then off to England or direct to www.thorne.co.uk ... This site appears to be a well done professional web page with good information on the products sold by the Thorne company and a direct request line for their catalog, which they got out to me at no small expense for them (2L 6f), air mail from England. The Thorne Beekeeping Equipment catalog is a pleasure for any North American beekeeper to read considering the different and interesting standards of equipment used in Europe today. This OLd Drone would just love to have one of those W.B.C. hives with its peaked roof and stand in my own front yard. Not only is it different but there are some real good ideas that will in time make it to the US, like the Brush Uncapper with synthetic fibers to decap the combs. Much better and safer then the "hog rings" used in my own uncapper. Also included in the package from Thorne was a copy of their publication "Beekeepers News", which has some very good and timely articles on beekeeper problems and activities. I especially enjoyed their parody on the E.C. labeling regulations, it can not be said that we North American's are the only one's with mad regulators and law makers. I will ask the editor if I can reproduce the article and post it another time. Or better yet ask him to consider posting or webbing the whole magazine. ttul Andy- *NOTE* For the last month only about 10% of my articles are spanning the internet highway in this group. I have yet to discover the cause of the constipation so if you don't see this post please except my apologies and remember that all are arc hived on the Wild Bee's BBS. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... I said, but just to be a bee >From beesbuzz@erols.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:04 EST 1996 Article: 3860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.erols.com! newsmaster@erols.com From: beesbuzz@erols.com (Tim Cote) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking to go semi-commercial Date: 22 Mar 1996 20:34:39 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4iv2sv$1n2@news7.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as34s53.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Hi there, My wife and I have been hobby beekeepers for a few years and now we've found some places in the country where we could keep 50-100 hives. A big move up, for sure. So... we're looking for some used equiptment and hives, naturally in ABJ and Bee Culture, but thought I'd give a shout here too. We live in the MD-DC-VA area. Suggestions? Tim Cote >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:05 EST 1996 Article: 3861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coas t.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve! van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Swarms Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 19:42:35 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3153732B.633E@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4huhft$sdm@zeus.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line007.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Tim Greenstreet wrote: > > What are the Major reasons for Bee's to Swarm? > > Tim Greenstreet > Catlett,Va.The 2 most likely causes for swarming are overcrowding and poor ventilation. The bees need adequate room for both the brood chamber and honey storage (the amount of room required changes with the season). If the hive is in full sun in summer the hive is likely to be too hot for their liking, and if they are crowded, swarming is likely. Of course, swarming is their natural way to reproduce and some strains are more prone to swarming than others. >From bclyon@neca.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:05 EST 1996 Article: 3862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.e du!newsrelay.netins.net!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.flinet.com!ne ws.neca.com!news From: bclyon@neca.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with biology paper. Date: 23 Mar 1996 02:01:15 GMT Organization: NECAnet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4ivm1c$iv4@taurus.neca.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-ts0-119.neca.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) hello I am a freshman in high school who needs to information on bees. Specifically, on the honey-making process. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could e-mail me info, or links to home-pages that could help me out. Thank you, Carl Lyon bclyon@neca.com PS: I know this is NOT about bee-keeping, but I'm a desparate man! >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:06 EST 1996 Article: 3863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!raffles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.um ich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Mason (Osmia), carpenter, solitary, and Bumble Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:28:47 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3152FF6F.14CC@umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Rick Young wrote: I am also > interested in other solitary bees and Bumble Bees. > Has anyone had any experience with the above?> > What kind of wood is best for the Bee Houses? > What hole sizes are used for Mason Bees (Osmia Bees)? > What hole sizes are used for Carpenter Bees? > Do you need to provide mud or water (or anything else) for them? > Are Mason Bees (Osmia Bees) commonly found in northern California? > Any other advice or pollination suggestions? > Please E-mail me at: ryoung@inow.com This information would be of interest to myself, and, I suppose, others. Please post it, if anyone has an answer to these queries. Thanks. >From bill@netagw.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:06 EST 1996 Article: 3864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-b ack From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.sustai nable.agriculture,misc.rural,rec.birds,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agric ulture.beekeeping Subject: RESULT: sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} all groups pass Supersedes: <826506968.15993@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1996 20:15:56 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 679 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <827543736.3973@uunet.uu.net> References: <823403099.17386@uunet.uu.net> <12598.16199.261277@uunet.uu.net> <8 26506968.15993@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.agriculture.poultry Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:7424 news.groups:170055 alt.agri culture.misc:5013 alt.sustainable.agriculture:11516 misc.rural:26488 rec.birds: 34361 rec.pets.birds:57599 sci.agriculture:9865 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3864 RESULT unmoderated group sci.agriculture.poultry passes 363:19 unmoderated group sci.agriculture.ratites passes 327:26 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 22 Mar 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Dennis Hawkins Proponent: Michael & Susan Harmon Proponent: Kathryn A. Smith Proponent: Bob Weber Proponent: Steven Whatley Votetaker: Bill Aten There were 391 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} results - 391 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 363 19 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.agriculture.poultry 327 26 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.agriculture.ratites 11 invalid votes All parts of the proposal passed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter. The remainder of the RESULT contains: Newsgroups Lines Rationale Charters Final Voting Acknowledgements NEWSGROUPS LINES: sci.agriculture.poultry Chickens, ducks, geese, and other poultry. sci.agriculture.ratites Ostrich, emu, rhea, or cassowary ranching. RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.poultry Since the beginning of recorded history, mankind has owed a debt to the chicken and other poultry. Their eggs and meat have provided food for our ancestors during times of famine. Today, they are a valuable agricultural resource and many poultry farmers around the world, from the backyard enthusiast to the multi-million bird production facility, have become Internet users seeking information regarding poultry related issues. One of the main purposes of the Internet is to get information out to people as efficiently as possible. Having a newsgroup specifically for poultry will allow experienced and knowledgeable poultry keepers to share their ideas and practices with those that are less experienced. It will also allow poultry keepers to learn about the different husbandry practices used to manage poultry throughout the world. Currently there is no poultry specific newsgroup on the Internet. We have located two poultry related mailing lists. These are PLTRYNWS and DOM_BIRD. They can be subscribed to by sending a subscription request to and respectively. Both lists are quite busy. Together they generate about 15 posts per day. The PLTRYNWS list seems to specialize in scientific and medical poultry topics and the DOM_BIRD list seems to specialize in domesticated birds as pets. The mailing list owners have claimed over 600 subscribers total. This poultry newsgroup, if created, would encompass the subject matter of both mailing lists plus more. There are many people interested in poultry just waiting for a newsgroup to call home. The mention of our proposing this RFD has already caused a positive response in the form of supportive email. Currently, there are other agriculture related newsgroups on the Internet, however poultry is only a small percentage of the many topics discussed in them. While there is some discussion of chickens in sci.agriculture, the volume of poultry posts there combined with the volume of posts to the mailing lists demonstrates a clear need for a new poultry specific newsgroup. There are currently many active web pages (WWW) on the net. The number of web pages devoted to poultry indicates world wide interest in poultry topics. A small sampling of these are listed here: "The Chicken Coop" (http://www.transport.com/~lhadley/index.html) "The Chicken Page" (http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ifza664/index.html) "The FeatherSite" (http://www.cyborganic.com/People/stefan/brkpage/ FeatherSite.html) "Poultry Fancy Page" (http://www.sjc.ox.ac.uk/users/martin/andy/pfanc1.html) "Chickens On The Electronic Highway" (http://www.well.com/user/themook/) "Chick Map" (http://www.ri.bbsrc.ac.uk/chickmap/ChickMapHomePage.html) The owner of the "Chicken Coop" is . He has reported 990 hits in December 1995 and 1450 hits in January 1996. He gets an average of 5 poultry web page related email responses per day. If you multiply this times the number of other poultry web pages, you can see that there is a lot of interest in poultry in general. The name chosen for this group is sci.agriculture.poultry, which is highly suggestive of its proposed content. When people search for poultry related newsgroups, it will be easy for them to find this newsgroup. We were not aware of any poultry discussion in sci.agriculture until one of the 'group-mentors' mentioned it. Likewise, we feel that many other people are also unaware of poultry discussion there. By creating a poultry specific newsgroup, many poultry people will be able to locate it and share information and ideas. By creating this newsgroup, we will not be competing with the existing sci.agriculture group, but rather permitting people interested in both general agriculture and poultry to have their own forum. There will still be a broad range of agricultural topics that can be discussed in sci.agriculture. BACKGROUND STATISTICS FOR POULTRY DISCUSSION: Mailing Lists DOM_BIRD 200 subscribers / 10 posts daily (average) PLTRYNWS 400 subscribers / 5 posts daily (average) Obviously, if more people knew about these mailing lists, there would be much more activity and subscribers. Even still, people are UnSubscribing and leaving word that the reason was due to too many posts filling up their mailboxes. Existing Newsgroups sci.agriculture Seen up to 5 daily posts about poultry. Clearly, there would be many more posts in sci.agriculture if more people were aware of poultry discussion going on in that group. RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.ratites The Ratite Industry has grown tremendously over the past couple of years. Ray Block , producer of the CALEA News Update magazine for the California Emu Association, reports that the Jan/Feb 1996 issue of CALEA News was mailed out to over 1000 ratite ranchers. Distribution of the magazine includes issues being sent out to Canada, Japan, Spain and Australia. Recently, the ratite industry has received USDA Meat Inspection approval. This means that ratite meat can now be served in US restaurants and grocery stores. Krogers in Texas and HEB in California are already selling the ratite meat. Contact has also been established so that US ranchers can ship products into other countries, up to and including China. Further endeavors include shipping 1 Gallon Size containers of Emu Oil to the largest burn centers in 50 countries for research. A currently active ratite web site, located at http://www.axs.net/~ektor/ratite.html, has been accessed approximately 9000 times since its creation. The most active section of the web page has been the listing of ratite farmers on the internet. Currently, this page lists around 60 farmers with email addresses. Ray Williams, the pagemaster, reports that he personally receives around 40 to 50 messages a day that deal with the ratite industry. Ray is also working on opening up a commercial web site for the distribution of ratite information. This web site will be located at www.ratite.net. Finally, there are currently two email mailing lists that deal with ratite ranching. The American list, called Ratite (owned by Ray Williams ), currently has around 180 subscribers and averages about 7-10 messages per day. The Canadian list, called Ratite-News (owned by Barry Judson ), has about 50 subscribers. The mail traffic on the Canadian list is slightly less (due to less chit-chat), but the information exchanged is very up-to-date and informative. These numbers, combined with the occasional ratite post on the mailing lists DOM_BIRD and PLTRYNWS and the newsgroups rec.birds and rec.pets.birds, are enough to show that there is a definite interest on the internet for a ratite newsgroup. CHARTER: sci.agriculture.poultry This unmoderated newsgroup is open to discussion of material relating to the humane farming of chickens and other livestock fowl. All articles that are concerned with poultry farming topics are welcome in the group. Examples of domesticated birds (not limited to these) Chickens - home flock, commercial and fancy breeds Ducks Doves - homing and fancy breeds Geese Jungle Fowl Peafowl Pheasants Turkeys Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Clubs/Organizations Equipment Used Exhibit/Show Announcements Genetics Health/Veterinary Care & Management Housing Legislation/Regulations concerning domesticated animals Marketing Nutrition & Nutritional Research Places to Purchase/Sell Inappropriate Topics Animals rights (see talk.animal.rights) Exotic, caged birds (see rec.pets.birds) Hunting (see rec.hunting.*) Non-poultry related advertising (spamming) Vegetarianism Wild birds (see rec.birds) END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.agriculture.ratites This unmoderated newsgroup is open to discussion of all topics related to the ownership, breeding, exhibiting, and farming of birds considered to be ratites. Examples of ratites (not limited to these) Cassowary Emu Ostrich Rhea Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Clubs/Organizations Equipment Used Exhibit/Show Announcements Genetics Health/Veterinary Care & Management Housing Legislation/Regulations concerning domesticated animals Marketing Nutrition & Nutritional Research Places to Purchase/Sell Inappropriate Topics Animals rights (see talk.animal.rights) Birds that are not considered ratites Hunting (see rec.hunting.*) Vegetarianism END CHARTER. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: sci.agriculture.{poultry,ratites} Final Vote Ack sci.agriculture.ratites ----+ sci.agriculture.poultry ---+| || 70461.2772@compuserve.com Charles H. Gibson YY 71660.2147@compuserve.com Greg May YY 74664.1477@compuserve.com Pamela N. Marietta YY abuys@voicenet.com Albert Buys YY adamp@mcs.net Adam Pierce YY adegener@mail.vt.edu Arthur W. 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No name given >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:07 EST 1996 Article: 3865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!raffles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas .net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!w ildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: E.C. labeling legislation Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603191657171585@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 43 ---------------------------------------- *from Thorne's Jan. 1996, "BEEKEEPERS NEWS", with editors permission to use... A CYNICAL VIEWPOINT Following on from the new E.C. labeling legislation which came into effect on October 1st 1995. We have uncovered several more proposed E.C. directives which will devastate British Beekeeping. a) All bees will be Italian in origin, the British Black bee will be outlawed. b) The banding on the bees must not be more than 1.5mm (there is no imperial equivalent to this dimension) c) Queens must not be marked but all worker will be. d) No bee shall be permitted to work more than 40 hours per week, apart from, of course, nurse bees who will work until they drop. The beekeeper will be liable for a 25,000 EUC fine. 15 years imprisonment or both. To police this new law DTI are recruiting 5000 new inspectors, making a total, therefor, for the whole EC of 5001. e) All hives will be Langstroth in design, National and WBC will be banned. There will, however, ba a transition period for the change over of one week. f) All hives will face towards Brussels and as such, bees will not be permitted to work between 11.a.m. & 3.p.m especially Friday's and Monday's as this interferes with the weekend. g) Swarming will be illegal, bees that swarm will be put down one at a time under a new job creation scheme. h) There will be free movement of bees throughout Europe. Movement application in quadruplicate must be lodged in every EC language (60 forms, therefore) 8 weeks in advance with your local Dept. of Transport Office. This applies to pollination movement also. <-30-> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Some bee had stung it newly. >From ryoung@inow.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:07 EST 1996 Article: 3866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exo dus.net!news.aimnet.com!viper.inow.com!du27.inow.com!user From: ryoung@inow.com (Rick Young) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees, Mason (Osmia), carpenter, solitary, and Bumble Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:21:56 -0800 Organization: self Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: du27.inow.com Hello, Most of the wild honey bees it this area (Sunnyvale, California, USA - San Francisco Bay area) have been killed by a mite. I am looking for an alternative way to pollinate fruit trees in my backyard. I have seen wood blocks, with holes drilled in them, being sold as Mason Bee (Osmia Bee) houses. I would like to build my own. I have been told you can build similar houses for Carpenter Bees if the holes are larger. I am also interested in other solitary bees and Bumble Bees. Has anyone had any experience with the above? What kind of wood is best for the Bee Houses? What hole sizes are used for Mason Bees (Osmia Bees)? What hole sizes are used for Carpenter Bees? Do you need to provide mud or water (or anything else) for them? Are Mason Bees (Osmia Bees) commonly found in northern California? Any other advice or pollination suggestions? Please E-mail me at: ryoung@inow.com Thank you, Rick Young - Rick (EMail: ryoung@inow.com) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:08 EST 1996 Article: 3867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!netaxs.com!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfe ed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!and y.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canadian Bee Info Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:47:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603230929191603@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 72 Hello Beekeepers, Canadian beekeepers have some sources of information that are not well known to the rest of the beekeeping community so I have posted this info just in case others would also like to receive these publications. ttul OLd Drone FRAN KAY & ASSOCIATES PUBLISHING & BOOK DISTRIBUTION _________________________________________________________________ General farm publications for BC and specialty publications for the Beekeeping Industry. Farm Publications The following magazines are Published & Distributed by Fran Kay & Associates Published by B.C. Interior Agri Publications British Columbia Agri Digest & Agri Directory: circulation 10,860: 95% within B.C. (Our best guess is that this includes 80% or better of active farmers in B.C.) 6 issues/year: 5 newspaper format; 1 magazine format (annual directory of farm organizations). Focuses on production and marketing technology for all farm commodity sectors. Columns for news from farm organizations, humor, profiles etc.,calendar of events, markets. If B.C. agriculture is, or could be, part of your market, the Digest is the venue you have been looking for. Subscriptions $10/year. Ask for a complimentary copy and rates. Ads may be placed through the office, or the Sales Manager, Mike McCarty, telephone 604-496-5707, fax 604-496-5132. 4-H in B.C.: circulation 5000: within B.C. 4 issues a year: magazine News of interest to 4-H and other rural families, 4-H activities, features on many aspects of rural living and personal development for youth. Complimentary copy and advertising rates on request. Subscriptions$10/year. Sales Manager Hugh Fallis, telephone 604-375-2200, fax 604-375-2247. Published for the B.C. 4-H Provincial Council. Published by Fran Kay & Associates BeesCene: circulation 850: concentrated within B.C., numerous subscribers across Canada, the US and Britain.4 issues a year: magazine Published for the British Columbia Honey Producers Association. Contains new developments, research and production updates, regional B.C. news and from across Canada, as it pertains to the British Columbia beekeeping industry. Complimentary copy on request. Subscriptions $20/year Canada;$30/year US/foreign. Advertising/editorial - Fran Kay Hivelights: circulation 750: national, some US 4 issues a year: magazine Published for the Canadian Honey Council. Contains news of CHC activities, national and international issues, research and new developments as they pertain to the Canadian beekeeping industry. Complimentary copy on request. Subscriptions $20/year Canada; $30/year US and foreign. Advertising/editorial - Fran Kay --> Fran Kay & Associates RR#2 Chase, BC Canada V0E 1M0 Tel: (604) 679-5362 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:08 EST 1996 Article: 3868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland. reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.min dlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 19:57:03 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3153768F.1964@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4hvnls$e4l@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line007.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Greg O'Dell wrote: > > I am a beginner beekeeper. My bees are just getting through their first > winter in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Upon inspecting my two hives this weekend, > I noticed that there are many dead bees in the snow in front of each hive. I > would guess that there are approximately 1,000 dead bees total in front of th e > hives. I suspect that these bees are just old ones that are going out in the > nice weather and then die. What does concern me though, is that there are > small spots of brown/yellow liquid staining the snow in the same area as the > dead bees. I am curious if this is normal or a sign of some disease. I woul d > be appreciative of any advise or comment. Please post to this group or my > e-mail address: "manette@primenet.com" > > Greg O'Dell > Minneapolis, Minnesota Sounds normal enough the way you describe the situation. The bees will not soil the interior of the hive if they can at all help it, and what you are seeing is the natural result of their first flight out of the hive this spring. In the summer when bee traffic is heavy you will also see some small yellow spots near the hives, same source, different length of time in the hive. >From artmos@primenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:09 EST 1996 Article: 3869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory. edu!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp2.backbone.olemiss.edu!lamarck.sura.net!ra.nrl.navy.mi l!news.math.psu.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!nntp.club.cc. cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net !news.ner.bbnplanet.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.i td.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.news.primenet.com!news.pr imenet.com!artmos From: Peter Gatz Birle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brasilian sugar producers Date: 22 Mar 1996 18:08:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)395-1010 Lines: 14 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4ivith$cjn@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> X-Posted-By: artmos@usr5.primenet.com Hi. I need a list of sugar producers in Brazil. Anyone can help me? I'll aprciate any help. Thank's Peter -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTMOSFERA MULTIMEDIA __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ artmos@primenet.com /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / Peter Gatz Birle - Hunitngton Beach, CA / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:09 EST 1996 Article: 3870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howl and.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!a damf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Importation of Bee Semen into the USA (What do you think?)On Wed, Date: 23 Mar 1996 13:26:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4j0u68$i7@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9603202035061588@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Thanks for posting the bee semen letter Andy. A very interesting topic--if anyone wants the bee-l letters and cannot get them, ask me an I'll show you how via archived bee-l. Summary: Importation of honey bee semen into the United States is illegal. Some want to change the law, some do not. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:10 EST 1996 Article: 3871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.c om!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wil dbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Importation of Bee Semen into the USA (What do you think?)On Wed, Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 03:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603202035061588@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 140 0 Mar 1996, my name is Dean M. Breaux wrote: *BS from the other group that should be of interest to those who don't subscribe to B-List.. ---------------------------------------- RN>From: Roy Nettlebeck >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 08:08:37 -0800 >Subject: Re: Importation of Bee Semen into the USA (What do you think?) RN>Hello , Dean, you did a beautiful job on your post. As we speak there is >some work a foot to get the law changed and semen into the US.It will not Hello Roy and all, The old law is a regulatory plan that gives a few in the USDA a monopoly on the importation of bee semen and bees. To some beekeepers and non beekeepers this give's them some feeling of security, but in reality the US quarantine and importation laws on bees and their pests "has not" prevented the introduction of exotic pests during the last 74 years, but for sure it has prevented the useful commercial search and introduction of new beekeeping stock, useful or not. I am one of those who does not believe that these new exotic pests and/or genetic material that has come to the US unregulated did so just because of clandestine importation of bees by beekeepers. But that is always the easy case to make, and for sure work done in SA on developing better honey producing bees using African stock will be made into a case for bee laws. BTW, the spread of this stock originally introduced under controlled conditions by regulators and government scientists was added to by government sponsored programs to introduce the same improved stock into several countries other then the original and not widely reported by the media or bee scientists involved. In any case the very same stock was freely imported into the US in the 1900's direct from Africa prior to bee quarantine laws without any long lasting harmful effects, and the remitments of these early importations can still be found in isolated areas of the western US. At the time of the stock importations they were tested by bee scientists and beekeepers and it was found that Afro bees were more testy then US or some European stock, but nothing compared to stock from the islands of Greece. No record exists of any of this stock being managed in any way to prevent swarms or drones from doing what they do, and for many years some very fine bee's other then the bee's we know today were reared and sold by some exceptional California bee breeders from this original period of open importations. If we are to believe that the few in the USDA and other government sponsored bee research agencies have the skills, knowledge, and resources to work for the benefit of all beekeepers then it is best to leave well enough alone. But if some believe like I do that a beekeeper in a free economy should have the right to fail on his own and the beekeeper should be the one who decides what is best for his self with the best advice and knowledge available, then maybe the bee quarantine law should be on the short list for repeal in the next session of congress. One reason the law was not repealed in the near past is because at one time the export of US bees was dependent on good external quarantine laws. Since then most of the US bee export customers have demonstrated that they are not dependent on US bees anyway, and the export market is very small and of little importance with the exception to a few bee breeders. The problem with the US bee quarantine law as it now stands is that it can not be enforced, not that beekeepers are with regularity importing new genetic bee material but it does happen because there is NO way to really stop it. A vial of semen can be sent first class person to person air post in a regular envelope from most any country in the world without detection and it has happened even if only accidentally within the US research community. Individual mated queens in plastic cages can be carried in a pocket from any country in the world without detection and also can be sent first class air mail in a small envelope without a problem. Bee's with pests that are not acceptable in the USA can legally enter Canada and then legally come to the US. And some believe that bee's from the left coast have been used in Mexico pollination projects and it is not clear if they were returned, if not by now there must be a mountain of bee hives in those areas of Mexico that rent honey bees for melon pollination. RN>I was cheating a little,I'm after the almound >growers ,they have a lot of money to loose if we keep loosing bees. > I have sent a letter to Dr. Rinderer about 2 weeks ago about this >subject. The truth of the matter is simple. Old law needs change. Who Well this is something that may surprise many, Almonds were grown in California for 50 years without any question of having bees. The early fruit tree scientists until the late 1950's did not consider bees in almond culture, and only the active promotion by beekeepers, bee science, and bee extension has resulted in a need for bees to pollinate almonds. The beekeepers has the most to lose and should be careful about calling on others for help. The money beekeepers receive from the almond industry for pollination should be more then enough to do a lot more research or whatever political action is needed, and only with a real plan in hand should we turn to others for help. The US almond industry has real weather related problems resulting in a poor crop last season ('95) of 375 million pounds, and the prospects of less this year, still too early to tell, but from my limited observation made today (3-21-96) on three large orchards it looks like it will be much less the last year. It is also well to remember that all good things in agriculture go bad in the end, its the law of the jungle or something, nothing is forever, what goes up comes down, and beekeepers should always have a head's up attitude to prevent damage to their heads. At the same time things that seem to be hopeless have a way of coming back. Beekeeping, at least, the exceptional yields from commercial exploitation of bee pasture has never been a phenomenon that lasted long. Dr. Bailey told me the overcrowding of bee pasture was responsible for most of our pathological bee problems, and I believe he was right. Pollination money from almonds has taken up some of the slack for the majority of the commercial bee industry, but it also has resulted in overcrowding and a biological acceleration of the problems that plague the industry today. Anyway, two millions acres of almonds have been planted the last 30 years in the Mediterranean and no mention of mass bee migration to pollinate them. It would take little research money to find out how they do it without paying millions out in pollination rentals to attract bees, or if their crop could be increased by having more bees. Something we have never been able to prove here in California as there has never been a almond orchard in bloom that did not attract some bees if the weather was right. This year ('96) came as close to a year when bees could not get out at all because of poor flight conditions as any, but some almonds will be produced. Cage tests have only proven the bias of caged trees during the critical light early spring days, and the cages with bees did not produce significantly better then the cages without bees. Few growers grow their almonds in cages anyway. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... A comely olde man as busie as a bee. >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:10 EST 1996 Article: 3872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-b c!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help for Beginner Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 16:53:03 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 14 Message-ID: <31549CEF.7A30@mindlink.bc.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line189.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Sherrie St. Cyr wrote: > > We are in North Texas (Sherman area) and are thinking of getting a hive. > Does anyone know of classes, workshops, groups, etc. that might offer more > than is available in books? Thanks for any help - > > Sherrie St. Cyr > > -- > If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a terrible warning. One piece of advice I would like to give is to start with 2 hives, then if one hive gets into trouble you have a source for a new queen or a little honey if either is needed. >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:11 EST 1996 Article: 3873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.n et!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitutes Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:22:32 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3154A3D8.4D48@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4ipemi$27q@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: line189.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Peter Murphy wrote: > > Here in Oz we are going more to feeding substitutes for pollen to > try and save > on the high cost of transporting our bees around the countryside > to keep them > alive. Has anyone in the US and Canada favourite recipes they > are willing to > share? > > Cheers > Peter Murphy > pjmurphy@mpx.com.au > > Cheers > > Peter Murphy > > Tamworth New South Wales, Country Music Capital of Australia An extender I have used with success is this: Mix a heavy syrup - 3 parts sugar to one part water (by weight) Mix 2 parts of this syrup with 4 to 5 parts of dry material Add dry material to syrup mixing and kneeding well. Leave overnight, knead again before placing patties on waxed paper For the dry material use brewers yeast mixed with pollen 2:1 (eg. 1 lb. brewers yeast to 8 oz. pollen) Place a patty covered with waxed paper under the top cover (inverted to give more space) and the bees will help themselves. Soybean flour is toxic to bees and should not be used, powdered milk also causes problems. >From Stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 2 00:04:12 EST 1996 Article: 3874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!azaria.demon.co.uk From: "Stuart L. Morris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pre-newbee question (pun intended) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 09:16:52 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: <827659012snz@azaria.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: azaria.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: azaria.demon.co.uk I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to post my first question.... My wife and I are thinking about keeping bees. We have two small children (both under 2 years) and a history of asthma in both families. I'd be interested to hear from people with experience of health problems affected, either improved or made worse, by exposure to bees (ok, being stung is an obvious risk but that has been covered in some depth in this group, i'm thinking more of mites and propolis etc.) Many thanks, Stuart. P.S. Are there any net-surfing keepers in the Reading (UK) area? ******************************************************* Stuart L. Morris stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk Phone: +44/0 1734 352993 Fax: +44/0 1734 612040 0deg 56.9min West, 51deg 27.1min North ******************************************************* >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:12 EST 1996 Article: 3875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!po rtal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!u wm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:32:45 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3154A63D.4BB8@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line189.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Jim Moore wrote: > > I'm curious and just begining, > > o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker > > o are there any tricks to it > > o anyone ever have a bad experience smoking the bees with ... > > o what advice about transporting, handling, and extinguishing > > o any funny and educational anecdotes. > > I remember the time ... > > Thanks, > > Jim Moore Use any natural material such as denim or burlap. Any synthetic material will give off toxic gases as it burns and likely kill the bees. One good material to use in a smoker is the core of an automotive oil filter, after it has been removed from the metal case and allowed to dry outside for at least a month. Some people have used wood chips with success, but I could never seem to get the chip size/moisture content just right so that the chips would smoulder for any length of time. Start the material burning in the smoker with a small amount of newspaper or something similar, leave the top open and squeeze the bellows a few times to get the cloth (or whatever) burning, and then close the lid. >From b-man@aliens.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:13 EST 1996 Article: 3876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.c om!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!NewsWatcher!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pollen Substitutes Date: 24 Mar 1996 12:56:51 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <4ipemi$27q@inferno.mpx.com.au> <3154A3D8.4D48@mindlink.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.190.82.227 In article <3154A3D8.4D48@mindlink.bc.ca>, Gisborne_Design wrote: > Peter Murphy wrote: > > > > Here in Oz we are going more to feeding substitutes for pollen to > > try and save > > on the high cost of transporting our bees around the countryside > > to keep them > > alive. Has anyone in the US and Canada favourite recipes they > > are willing to > > share? Hello Peter, Here in the Great Lakes region of the US we use pollen sub to stimulate brood rearing with snow still on the ground in March. Our recipe is as follows: One part expeller process soy flour ( option: 2 parts soy to 1 part yeast) One part brewers yeast 1/8 part(give or take)Natural pollen trapped and cleaned (as much as you can afford) Mix the dry stuff first (we use a commercial bread mixer) start adding high fructose corn syrup(80 brix) or a heavy sugar while mixing, until the mix will fall off a spoon. Let it set overnight and check the consistancy in the morning. It should be like cookie dough. Stick your hive tool in the bucket and put a slab on top of the top bars. Use more or less according to cluster size. Yours truly, Kirk >From sfg@spieg.interealm.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:13 EST 1996 Article: 3877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!beetle.privatei.com!spieg!sfg From: sfg@spieg.interealm.com (Doug Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: 24 Mar 1996 15:07:20 GMT Organization: privateI, LLC Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4j3of8$cd3@beetle.privatei.com> References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nexus.interealm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jim Moore (moore@aiag.enet.dec.com) wrote: % I'm curious and just begining, % o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker I always used corn cobs and burlap. The more rotted the burlap the better it burns. % o are there any tricks to it Sometimes keeping it burning is a trick. % o anyone ever have a bad experience smoking the bees with ... % o what advice about transporting, handling, and extinguishing % o any funny and educational anecdotes. % I remember the time ... I remeber when I got third degree burns from my smoker. Don't cut corners get a guard on your smoker. -- Doug sfg@spieg.interealm.com Any day I wake up without a tag on my toe is a good day! >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:14 EST 1996 Article: 3878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.n et!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martin co-habitating with Bees Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:17:47 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3156105B.2A6C@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4i82j0$7hj@spectator.cris.com> <4i8ub0$soi@news-f.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: line205.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) BusyKnight wrote: > > johntrn1@cris.com wrote: > > Purple Martin House . . . do bees and martins get along? > John, > I have a Purple Martin house that the Martins have been > coming to for years which is located about 50 yards away > from several hives. I've seen no conflict between the two. > The only observed conflict between bees & birds occurs > at the bird bath over 'watering rights' between a permanent > resident Mockingbird and the bees. And the bees so far > (after five years) haven't succeeded in chasing off the Mock- > ingbird either! > > I am looking for a truly "bee proof" Hummingbird feeder; > anybody got any ideas? > > BusyKnight > Dallas, TX Put a wire mesh guard over the feeder nozzles, about 3/16" mesh is about right. The mesh set out from the nozzle about 1/4" keeps the bees from being able to reach the nectar, but hummingbirds can still reach. >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:14 EST 1996 Article: 3879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso. uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spacing of hives Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:37:31 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 25 Message-ID: <315614FB.23A2@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4il3if$1m1i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line205.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Peter Wolfe wrote: > > As a rank beginner I am siting 5 hives and would appreciate any any > suggestions on the spacings of same. Plan to place on a moderate slope > on redwood 4x4s but am concerned about the distance between hives > necessary to work them solo. Also any comments on pure spar varnish for > painting. Am located on edge of Calif Central Valley with about 10 day > / year of 100 degree plus weather. Water close by. Thanks If space is at a premium, place the hives in pairs (side by side, with about a foot between them) with about 4 feet between the pairs. This gives you room to reach each hive from one side, back & front. If you are going to have hives in front of others, keep about 10-15 feet clear in front of the hives to give you room to work on the hives in front while the the bees can circle down to the hives behind. If you are on a slope maybe this won't matter if the bees behind can can fly straight out their entrance over your head while you work on the hive in front. If by spar varnish you mean a clear finish, I would suggest having some supers painted a solid color (yellow, grey or white) mixed in with the supers that are finished clear so that the bees can recognize the pattern of their own hive, sort of like our address system. Bees relate readily to patterns and it makes sense to take this into account because if the prevailing wind is across the row of hives, drifting of workers down the row can be controlled somewhat if the bees can see clearly where they should end up. >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:15 EST 1996 Article: 3880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: subsciption Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:42:23 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3156161F.2C3E@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <3149EB44.351@tip.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: line205.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) KN Bokhorst wrote: > > How can I subscribe to this news group? > I do see all kind of interesting subjects but I cannot read them Try pulling up the third pane of your news window. Put your cursor on the bottom horizontal line, click and hold the mouse button while you drag up a separation between the messages and a new area that you can read the messages in. >From ba772@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 2 00:04:16 EST 1996 Article: 3881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott! cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ba772 From: ba772@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (V. Goss) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bleaching beeswax Date: 24 Mar 1996 04:18:35 GMT Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 7 Sender: ba772@freenet3.carleton.ca (V. Goss) Message-ID: <4j2ier$efj@freenet-news.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.carleton.ca I am a crafter interested in learning how to bleach beeswax for candlemaking. Any help or references are appreciated. -- Vesna E. Goss Ottawa, Ontario, Canada >From Gisborne_Design@mindlink.bc.ca Tue Apr 2 00:04:16 EST 1996 Article: 3882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.s ol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Gisborne_Design Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis as antimicrobial agent? Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:37:42 -0800 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3154A766.732D@mindlink.bc.ca> References: <4idsrt$nqe@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line189.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Michael A Chambers wrote: > > Does anyone know if propolis has been used to treat bacterial infections? > thanks. > Mike Yes, since before the time of the Pharaohs. However most uses heard of are in folk remedies. I came across an article detailing research being done (already done?) in eastern Europe maybe a month ago, so it should be around here somewhere. If I uncover it I'll leave a note as to the details. >From overman@baker.cnw.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:17 EST 1996 Article: 3883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.n et!lassen.cnw.com!news From: Sean Overman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees, Mason (Osmia), carpenter, solitary, and Bumble Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:42:26 -0800 Organization: Skagit Valley College Lines: 49 Message-ID: <31563242.494D@baker.cnw.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: skag1-27.cnw.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) CC: ryoung@inow.com Rick Young wrote: > > Hello, > > Most of the wild honey bees it this area (Sunnyvale, California, USA - San > Francisco Bay area) have been killed by a mite. I am looking for an > alternative way to pollinate fruit trees in my backyard. I have seen wood > blocks, with holes drilled in them, being sold as Mason Bee (Osmia Bee) > houses. I would like to build my own. I have been told you can build > similar houses for Carpenter Bees if the holes are larger. I am also > interested in other solitary bees and Bumble Bees. > > Has anyone had any experience with the above? > > What kind of wood is best for the Bee Houses? > > What hole sizes are used for Mason Bees (Osmia Bees)? > > What hole sizes are used for Carpenter Bees? > > Do you need to provide mud or water (or anything else) for them? > > Are Mason Bees (Osmia Bees) commonly found in northern California? > > Any other advice or pollination suggestions? > > Please E-mail me at: ryoung@inow.com > > Thank you, > > Rick Young > - Rick (EMail: ryoung@inow.com) Rick- I have just finished reading a book by Brian L. Griffin called The Orchard Mason Bee. It describes all you would need to know to get started with this little bee, including how to purchase bees and equipment (or build your own). You can reach Brian at: Brain L. Griffin Knox Cellars 1607 Knox Avenue Bellingham, Washington 98225 (360) 733-3283 or you can check out their home page at www.accessone.com/~knoxclr/ Good luck - Sean >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:17 EST 1996 Article: 3884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s pool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mat hworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEW BEES FROM JAPAN Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603211814511591@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41lj4a$qf6@infinity.cybernet.co.nz> <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom. com> Lines: 68 * The OLd Drone found this road kill on the internet highway using a text search engine. I do believe that something was lost in the translation as it is just a little had to believe skept'ic I must bee....But since it is so close to April Fool's day I pass this gas to my many beekeeping friends who are now enough not to be fooled by BS .. Information Bulletin No.72 STINGLESS BEES DEVELOPED FOR POLLINATING FRUIT TREES _________________________________________________________________ February 13, 1996 Honeybees are often used in the pollination of such fruit-bearing trees as apples and pears, but they pose a hazard to the fruit grower, who risk being stung. To eliminate this annoyance, researchers at the National Institute of Animal Industry of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, has succeeded in producing bees that cannot sting, and it is hoped that they will resolve a longstanding sore point for fruit growers. Pollen Carrier Pollination is an important part of a fruit-grower's task, and many farmers still perform the task manually, climbing ladders and crouching to pollinate each flower. To lighten this load, some have begun harnessing honeybees as pollinators. As the bees fly around in search of nectar, they carry pollen from one flower to another. Those who are not used to handling the bees, though, are frequently stung, and experienced beekeepers must be enlisted to release and recapture the bees. At the National Institute of Animal Industry, an attempt was made to produce honeybees that would not sting by exposing them to gamma waves. It was found in that if bee larvae were exposed to 30 grays of radiation just before becoming pupae, 97% of the bees born had deformed stingers. The typical stinger consists of two narrow needles encased in a sheath, but in the mutant variety, the two needles were separated from the sheath, destroying their ability to sting. Of the 18 queen larvae that were exposed to radiation in the same way, 16 were born as no stingers. Controlling Reproduction The new varieties of both queen and worker bee showed no difference other than in the stinger, and they otherwise appeared to behave normally. This led researchers to believe that the exposure to radiation had caused a genetic mutation in the bees. Researchers are now working to determine how many larvae of stinger-less queens will have the same trait and to establish a process by which the trait can be genetically transmitted. One concern is the impact the stinger-less bees will have on the ecosystem if they breed with naturally occurring varieties. The mixing of genetic strains can be prevented, researchers, believe, by simply utilizing worker bees for pollination purposes, since they have no reproductive capabilities and thus pose no threat that they will breed with bees in the wild. (The above article, edited by Japan Echo Inc., is based on domestic Japanese news sources. It is offered for reference purposes and does not necessarily represent the policy or views of the Japanese Government.) _________________________________________________________________ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Which a bee would choose to dream in. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:18 EST 1996 Article: 3885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s pool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.in ternetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEW BEES FROM JAPAN Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603211814511592@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 68 ---------------------------------------- * The OLd Drone found this road kill on the internet highway using a text search engine. I do believe that something was lost in the translation as it is just a little had to believe skept'ic I must bee....But since it is so close to April Fool's day I pass this gas to my many beekeeping friends who are now enough not to be fooled by BS .. Information Bulletin No.72 STINGLESS BEES DEVELOPED FOR POLLINATING FRUIT TREES _________________________________________________________________ February 13, 1996 Honeybees are often used in the pollination of such fruit-bearing trees as apples and pears, but they pose a hazard to the fruit grower, who risk being stung. To eliminate this annoyance, researchers at the National Institute of Animal Industry of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, has succeeded in producing bees that cannot sting, and it is hoped that they will resolve a longstanding sore point for fruit growers. Pollen Carrier Pollination is an important part of a fruit-grower's task, and many farmers still perform the task manually, climbing ladders and crouching to pollinate each flower. To lighten this load, some have begun harnessing honeybees as pollinators. As the bees fly around in search of nectar, they carry pollen from one flower to another. Those who are not used to handling the bees, though, are frequently stung, and experienced beekeepers must be enlisted to release and recapture the bees. At the National Institute of Animal Industry, an attempt was made to produce honeybees that would not sting by exposing them to gamma waves. It was found in that if bee larvae were exposed to 30 grays of radiation just before becoming pupae, 97% of the bees born had deformed stingers. The typical stinger consists of two narrow needles encased in a sheath, but in the mutant variety, the two needles were separated from the sheath, destroying their ability to sting. Of the 18 queen larvae that were exposed to radiation in the same way, 16 were born as no stingers. Controlling Reproduction The new varieties of both queen and worker bee showed no difference other than in the stinger, and they otherwise appeared to behave normally. This led researchers to believe that the exposure to radiation had caused a genetic mutation in the bees. Researchers are now working to determine how many larvae of stinger-less queens will have the same trait and to establish a process by which the trait can be genetically transmitted. One concern is the impact the stinger-less bees will have on the ecosystem if they breed with naturally occurring varieties. The mixing of genetic strains can be prevented, researchers, believe, by simply utilizing worker bees for pollination purposes, since they have no reproductive capabilities and thus pose no threat that they will breed with bees in the wild. (The above article, edited by Japan Echo Inc., is based on domestic Japanese news sources. It is offered for reference purposes and does not necessarily represent the policy or views of the Japanese Government.) _________________________________________________________________ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Which a bee would choose to dream in. >From humphrys@edc.org Tue Apr 2 00:04:18 EST 1996 Article: 3886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso. uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!p aperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!tristram.edc.org!mac86.mactcp10.edc.org!us er From: humphrys@edc.org (Michael Humphrys) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Worcester County (MA) Special Meeting Date: 25 Mar 1996 16:08:30 GMT Organization: EDC Lines: 51 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mac86.mactcp10.edc.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.8 Worcester County Beekeepers Association Special April Meeting ***This special presentation will replace the normal monthly meeting and is FREE for all to attend. **** Dr. Cynthia Scott-Dupree, of the University of Guelph in Ontario, will speak to Worcester County beekeepers on honeybee viruses and their relationship to mites. Dr. Dupree will examine the impact of mites on honeybee colonies and their effect on colony development. This is a problem that has plagued Worcester County and all of the northeast for the past two years. In fact, the 1994-1995 beekeeping season saw colony losses of 45% in Worcester County. We are all searching for answers to our bee losses and solutions to keep our bees alive. Dr. Dupree will look at these questions in her presentation and offer answers and insight. It is essential for us all to be informed beekeepers in order to keep our colonies alive, says Ken Warchol, Worcester County Bee Inspector. It is for this reason that the Worcester County Beekeepers are presenting this speaker and topic. I would strongly urge all beekeepers to attend this presentation. The second of our two presentations, entitled Beekeeping in Canada: Industry and Research will take a general look at the health of the Canadian beekeeping industry. Dr. Dupree will focus on some of the research going on in Canada that deals with mites, viruses and other problems. She will also shed some light on what lies ahead for the beekeeping industry. This will be a fantastic opportunity for beekeepers to hear one of Canada's top honeybee experts and one of the key speakers at the Eastern Apicultural Society's convention last summer without leaving Worcester. Bee informed.......for the good health and survival of your bees! Date: Saturday, April 13, 1996 Place: UMASS Medical School (Amphitheater 2) Plantation St., Worcester, MA Program Schedule : 8:30 - 9:15 AM Coffee and Danish 9:15 - 10:30 AM Honeybee Viruses and Mites [and their interrelationship] 10:30 - 10:45 AM Coffee Break 10:45 - 12:00 PM Beekeeping in Canada - Industry and Research Reduced parking rates apply. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:19 EST 1996 Article: 3887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.i nternetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 3/96 Date: 25 Mar 1996 21:47:12 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 264 Message-ID: <4j7490$plk@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magizine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Stanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 3, March 1996 Copyright (c) 1996 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" A POLLINATION CRISIS? There is another APIS newsletter in the world. Hopefully, this fact will not confuse those reading this publication. Anyway, it's pretty removed from the U.S. audience, down under in Australia. The full title is Apis Melbourne. The editor, Mr. Frank Hosemans, has reprinted information from this newsletter on occasion. An article in his publication brings up an ages-old debate: the ecological consequences of introducing Apis mellifera around the world. The following was published in the January 1996 issue of Apis Melbourne. It quotes an article from the Melbourne Sun, published January 22, 1996: "The humble honeybee is one of Australia's most environmentally damaging creatures, according to a scientist. Dr. Graham Pike said the honeybee was responsible for driving out several native species of fauna as well as having a bad effect on Australian flora. While the theory is not new, Dr. Pike said evidence was mounting to support the idea that the honeybee was having a long-term impact on the environment. "Introduced to Australia from Europe in 1822, the honeybee was an established feral predator competing with the 3000 Australian native species of bees for territory, Dr. Pike said. It stole pollen and nectar from under the noses of native bees, moths, butterflies and birds such as the honeyeater, forcing native species out of the environment. It also competed with native fauna for tree hollows and was a poor pollinator of Australian flora -- thereby retarding natural ecological development. Dr. Pike said while there were imperfections in some of the research done on the bees, there was overwhelming evidence pointing to honeybees having a damaging effect on the Australian environment. "When you look at all these facts pointing to honeybees having a negative impact on flora and fauna you have a strong prima facie case," Dr. Pike, an expert in pollination ecology, said. Field studies have shown heavy impact on native fauna and flora in areas where high concentrations of honeybees were found. "Most bees you see are honeybees, they use most of the Australian flora and this results in poor pollination because they haven't adapted to Australian flora," he said. But Dr. Pike's contentions have been met with opposition from the beekeeping industry. Honeybees are a huge industry in Australia worth tens of millions of dollars a year. "Let's say we don't see eye to eye," said Dr. Pike. Dr. Pike said studies were being done into possible poison control methods to reduce the numbers of feral bees. A program of no new licences for beekeepers under New South Wales State Government legislation would also see the eventful phasing out of licences," he said. [Mr. Hosemans added an editor's note: "Recent scientific findings are contrary to the theme of this article, and should be highlighted to counter this continuous push to drive out the beekeeper from native forests."] Mr. Hosemans' remarks notwithstanding, many of Dr. Pike's arguments seem pertinent to a number of world regions where honey bees have been introduced. They have also been reiterated on occasion in Florida, which has many unique ecosystems that exotic species might affect. This is the reason those in charge of state preserves and other "natural" areas have considered actively eliminating beekeepers. In the past, the argument that feral honey bees would simply fill the void left by beekeepers existed. And there is the pollination value of honey bees in both wild and agricultural areas. Honey bees, however, are not necessarily the best pollinators in all situations (see June 1992 APIS). No efforts to reduce honey bee populations by poisoning feral colonies have been proposed in the Sunshine State to my knowledge. However, at least one recent event may have in fact created results that might be expected from such a program. Introduction of Varroa into Florida appears to have eliminated many feral honey bee colonies, setting the stage for a possible native pollinator comeback of some proportions. Unfortunately, unmanaged pollinators are also in danger from many of the same phenomena that have affected honey bees in the past. These organisms, however, have no beekeepers to intervene when threatened with adversity. The risk exists, therefore, that an as-yet-unnoticed crisis in pollination in both agricultural and so-called "natural" areas might be brewing. This potential lack of pollinators has also been a concern outside Florida, according to the February 7, 1996 edition of PANUPS, Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service: http://www.panna.org/panna/ on the world wide web. "Agricultural production could be threatened if populations of bees and other pollinators continue to decline, according to the Forgotten Pollinators Campaign, a recently launched effort to educate the public about pollinators' critical economic and agricultural importance. The Campaign emphasizes North American agriculture and ecology, but advocates greater awareness and protection of pollinators worldwide. Most fruits and vegetables consumed globally grow as a result of pollination, the process by which pollen is carried from one flower to another, thereby increasing the chances for fertilization and fruit production. According to the campaign's literature, a recent survey of wild plants documented that over 60% of the plant species studied may suffer reduced seed set due to pollinator scarcity. "The Campaign, initiated by the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum (ASDM) in Tucson, Arizona, aims to create common cause among farmers, pesticide reform activists, beekeepers, plant and animal conservationists and green belt proponents, all of whom may be concerned about declining pollinators -- especially honey bees -- and the lack of policies aimed at protecting them. According to Gary Paul Nabhan, a crop ecologist and Director of Science for the Campaign, pesticide use, disease, habitat fragmentation, and the arrival of Africanized bees in North America have dramatically reduced honey bee populations in the U.S., by as much as 25% since 1990. "Honey bees and the 4,000-5,000 species of wild bees native to North America pollinate 60 major crops in the U.S., including potatoes, melons, cotton, onions and almonds. According to the Forgotten Pollinators Campaign, the pollination services provided by wild and domestic bees are 40-50 times more valuable than the market price of all honey produced in the U.S. Steve Buchmann, a specialist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) bee laboratory in Tucson, Arizona and a research associate at the Campaign, recently stated that the hidden value to crop pollination by bees could be as high as US $10 billion. Other significant pollinators include flies, butterflies, moths, beetles, hummingbirds and bats. "To illustrate the impacts of declining pollinator populations on agricultural production, Nabhan points to cranberry bogs, where as many as 20 million flowers bloom on each acre, but less than a third of the flowers develop into ripened fruit in years when pollinators are scarce. In 1970 widespread organophosphate spraying (mostly fenitrothion) for spruce budworms decimated native bee populations, causing cranberry yields to plummet from 5.5 million pounds in 1969 to 1.5 million pounds in 1970. More recently, the California almond industry has begun borrowing bee hives from other states to compensate for pollinator scarcity, and the 1995 New York pumpkin crop suffered from a paucity of native bees. "Wild pollinators are often more vulnerable to pesticides than domestic honey bees, and the Campaign calls for more stringent controls of toxic chemical applications near their nesting and foraging sites and for better training of pesticide applicators in monitoring for pollinators. Pollinators receive only piecemeal attention at university agricultural programs and government agencies. "The Campaign calls for placing greater emphasis on pollinator diversity and ecology at agricultural schools. It also urges USDA, the U.S. National Biological Service and similar agencies in other countries to take comprehensive inventories of crop pollinators and pollinators of keystone plant species in wildlands. Such inventories would allow for more accurate appraisals of the costs to agriculture due to pollinator loss inflicted by pesticide use and habitat destruction. Presently, the economic value of pollination services are generally not taken into account when government agencies assess the value of protecting wild species or the costs of maintaining agricultural yields." For further information on the effort to protect pollinators, contact: Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, 2021 N. Kinney Road, Tucson, AZ 85743; phone (520) 883-3006; fax (520) 883-2500; email: fpollen@azstarnet.com. The Forgotten Pollinators Campaign takes into consideration both the agricultural and natural landscapes, and considers all organisms important in the pollination process. This focused approach to ensure adequate pollinating of all plants so important to human welfare should be embraced by the beekeeper (see July 1995 APIS). In the long run, this will be a much more effective strategy to strengthen the apicultural industry's image and credibility than by promoting the honey bee as the pollinating agent of choice in all circumstances. BEYOND BEE INSPECTION In this era of government bashing, it is important to reflect on the many services provided by such agencies that often get dismissed as the rhetoric heats up. Good examples are those of the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Most are familiar with the Apiary Inspection Program. It is one of the most comprehensive in the nation with a dozen full-time inspectors, as well as others working on a part-time basis. But how many know what else the Department does to help the industry? At a recent meeting, Ms. Betsy Woodward, chief of the Food Residues Laboratory, ph 904/488-0670, FAX 904/487-6573, provided a "Summary of Honey Analytical Laboratory Support" available to Florida beekeepers: "The Bureau of Food and Residue Laboratories provides comprehensive support to Florida's honey industry and consumers who buy honey. Included in this program are certification of the tupelo honey crop, authenticity analyses, label reviews (see October 1994 APIS), pesticide residue analysis and analytical methods to meet export testing requirements. The following summarizes the analytical work to date: Fiscal Year No. Samples Analyzed Approximate Cost (No. Adulterated) 1992/93 105 (11) $11,550 1993/94 106 (18) 11,660 1994/95 (to date) 117 (15) 12,870 Total $36,080 "These costs do not reflect additional analyses required by adulterated (fraudulent) products. The results of these laboratory analyses have been provided to the criminal investigations unit of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and we continue to cooperate with them. "Finally, this program has championed the need to address adulteration and misbranding of honey with federal agencies, especially as it relates to out-of-state firms selling product in Florida and our program is recognized for these efforts. We are also the only regulatory authority looking at foods prominently claiming honey on their label to verify that honey is the major saccharide ingredient." 1995 HONEY CROP The Florida Agricultural Statistics Service, 1222 Woodward St., Orlando, FL 32803, ph 407/648-6013, released its 1995 honey crop analysis on February 27, 1996. According to this report, honey production was 19,780,000 pounds, a two percent increase over 1994 production. Florida ranked fourth nationally behind North Dakota, South Dakota and California. Average yield per colony was 86 pounds, up two pounds over 1994. The colony count remained at 230,000, the same as last year. The U.S. honey crop was 210 million pounds in 1995, down 3 percent from last year. There were 2.65 million colonies in production, compared with 2.77 in 1994. Yield was up 1.1 pounds per colony over last year to 79.5. Prices in 1995 averaged 64.4 cents per pound, up 22 percent over 1994. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (352) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: (352) 392-0190 INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1996 "All Rights Reserved" -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From ccgammon@awinc.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:19 EST 1996 Article: 3888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!udel!new s.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: 25 Mar 1996 19:35:03 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4j6sh7$6m2@kryten.awinc.com> References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes08.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com>, moore@aiag.enet.dec.com says... > o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker My preference is using cardboard, rolled up to fit my smoker. However, what I have recently used is a sugar syrup solution, instead. I find it less harmful than smoke and a lot more nourishing! The end result is essentially the same...the bees are suitably distracted and settled so that I can work them, as required. > o what advice about transporting, handling, and extinguishing I make sure that the frames within each box sit lengthwise on the truck deck. This helps prevent the frames from rocking too badly when we speed up or slow down, and thus, the queen is somewhat better protected from getting crushed to death between the rocking frames. Craig G. >From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 2 00:04:20 EST 1996 Article: 3889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David & Margaret Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:49:37 +0000 Organization: berfa - now bigger than ever Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 In article <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com>, Jim Moore writes >I'm curious and just begining, > > o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker > old paper mache type egg boxes seem OK and light very well. Rolled corregated cardboard is OK unless it has a a flame retardent. > o are there any tricks to it > Dont use anything that will make you sneeze. It is rather difficult with a veil on. > o anyone ever have a bad experience smoking the bees with ... In mid 95 I posted a note about my experience with herbs in the smoker. I found that sage was a definite NO. It made them very angry indeed, no it was more than just angry it made them real mean indeed. I have since found that sage is used in aromatherapy as a stimulant. It contains compounds called thujones but whatever the name of the compound it certainly seemed to stimulate my bees. > > -- David & Margaret Gladstone >From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 2 00:04:20 EST 1996 Article: 3890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David & Margaret Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEW BEES FROM JAPAN Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:55:54 +0000 Organization: berfa - now bigger than ever Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9603211814511592@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 In article <9603211814511592@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur writes > > ---------------------------------------- >* The OLd Drone found this road kill on the internet highway using a >text search engine. I do believe that something was lost in the >translation as it is just a little had to believe skept'ic I must >bee....But since it is so close to April Fool's day I pass this gas to >my many beekeeping friends who are now enough not to be fooled by BS .. > > > > Information Bulletin No.72 > > STINGLESS BEES DEVELOPED FOR POLLINATING FRUIT TREES > > Very interesting. Is there an address or a supplier -- David & Margaret Gladstone >From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 2 00:04:20 EST 1996 Article: 3891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!berfa.demon.co.uk!dag From: David & Margaret Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pre-newbee question (pun intended) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:05:21 +0000 Organization: berfa - now bigger than ever Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <827659012snz@azaria.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: berfa.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.10 In article <827659012snz@azaria.demon.co.uk>, "Stuart L. Morris" writes >I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to >post my first question.... > >My wife and I are thinking about keeping bees. We have >two small children (both under 2 years) and a history >of asthma in both families. > >I'd be interested to hear from people with experience >of health problems affected, either improved or made >worse, by exposure to bees (ok, being stung is an obvious >risk but that has been covered in some depth in this >group, i'm thinking more of mites and propolis etc.) > Keeping bees seems to have relieved some of my hay fever symptoms or maybee it is just too dificult to sneeze while wearing a veil. My neighbours claim that their children's asthma is reduced by eating my local honey. It contains local pollen and I guess that it helps to build an imunity. Chewing the wax from honey comb is claimed to have benefits. NB you can get the address of your local bee keepers through yellow pages or the British Beekeepers Assoc. HQ Stoneleigh tel 01203 696679 Good luck -- David & Margaret Gladstone >From dallison@mindspring.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:21 EST 1996 Article: 3892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: dallison@mindspring.com (Doug Allison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yugoslavian bees? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:33:37 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> Reply-To: dallison@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dallison.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Several years ago, all of my colonies succumbed to tracheal mites. I'm thinking of getting started again. I remember hearing about a Yugoslavian strain that was supposedly resistant to mites. Anyone have any experience with these? Know of any dealers? Maybe that should be Former Yugoslavian bees.... :-) Doug Allison Decatur, GA dallison@mindspring.com >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:21 EST 1996 Article: 3893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus .holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: heavy winter losses Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603262028421613@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 37 Posted over from the B-List. ---------------------------------------- From: Kirk Jones Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:07:11 -0500 Subject: heavy winter losses Here in Michigan, in the Great Lakes area of the US, our bees are getting their butts spanked,i.e. heavy winterkill. We're scratching our heads, as we tried every technique to our knowledge. We used menthol in the late spring and early summer, up to the flow(too cold in the fall up here). We put on Crisco patties. We used Apistan strips. We are trying darker leather colored Italians(mite resistant?). We even wrapped them. Our losses may be 30% or higher. Most reports in Michigan are 50% to 90% loss. The package bee producers are totally booked for the most part. We will be replacing over a 1000 hives. I've read reports on virus infection. How about a post from some of you reseachers, etc. on this matter. The blown out hives still have some honey. The cluster is blown apart, with bees spread all over the hive. Many bees on the ground outside. I have a feeling it is a mite related problem, but cannot pinpoint exactly what. I am willing to send samples to anyone with the time and interest to examine some bees. Kirk Sleeping Bear Apiaries Kirk Jones b-man@aliens.com when you get lemons, make lemonade.... >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:22 EST 1996 Article: 3894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news. sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!and y.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Importation of Bee Semen into the USA (What do you thin Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603262028421614@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 107 *Just in case some don't get the B-list...and want to follow the tread. ---------------------------------------- BW>From: BLANE WHITE >Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:24:41 CST6CDT >Subject: Re: Importation of Bee Semen into the USA (What do you thin >Organization: Minnesota Dept of Agriculture >Other livestock breeding groups have addressed these issues and >developed mechanisms to allow limited importation maybe we need to >look at what they have done. Hi Blane & Bee Friends, Yes, there are risks to allowing the restricted or unrestricted importation of honeybees or honey bee semen into the US. I would suggest they are less today then in the past and in fact there are more reasons why off shore beekeepers should not want to import US bees then reasons for US beekeepers not being able to look for solutions to today's bee problems, today, from off shore sources. US beekeepers have had a "developed mechanism", under both current US Law and US Agriculture Regulation as amended to bring in honey bees for stock improvement, and it has not worked or better stated kept up with the needs of the industry. It is also reinforced by many state restrictions on bee imports. It is because this door is only open to the few, good people they may all be, and the world's best scientist's to, and the best skilled queen breeders, but the reality is this system has failed and continues to fail to serve the needs of the industry because so few can use it for what ever reason. And if it could be measured the numerous imports of stock and semen has not resulted in anything that can be called increased honey production, increased pollination efficiency, increased longevity of adult bees, or disease resistance or mite resistance in our honeybees. It has had value in increased knowledge, and that is good but hard to place a dollar value on. The exception to this is honest hard working but few beebreeders who have found some value in marketing the daughters of these few government imports at increased prices of course. Nothing wrong with that, but not one of these queen breeders can supply any one beekeeper with stock in numbers that is any more superior then the stock any experienced beekeeper could rear his/her self or purchase from another reliable bee breeder. The few can say with convention that their stock is the best, from government imported stock, can run big ads in the bee trade papers and sell lots of queens, but in the end the stock is no different then what someone else has without the benefit of the hype of government controlled imports. The real question is will this change beekeeping for the better if the bee importation laws are relaxed or even dumped. If history repeats itself, and I am one of those who believes that it does, it could. The bee industry in the United States was once before threatened with great and complete loss, (before my time). Bee's were disappearing because of a disease that could not be controlled in the US stock at the time. Beekeeping in America was going down the drain, beekeepers few as there was then were leaving hives, skepts, and bee gums empty. The feral hives, bee trees, were reduced or disappeared. The import door was then open and direct imports were made from the old world, yellow bees, the Italian bees won the day and in a few years everything was back to more or less normal. For sure other bees other then yellow or Italian, and bees with undesirable characteristics were also imported, some direct from Africa. This was not a problem that some will surely point out for today, or at least no record of a problem exists today from this open door to imports. Maybe it is because of the beekeepers themselves who weeded out the bad and increased the good strains, or more likely what we got from all that importations were survivors. Bee's that survived the trip, not easy in those days, and bee's that survived in the US bee yards, not so easy today....this day! Do I believe that we need to open the door to save the bee's in the US? No, I don't, but I believe and know that if something does not change fast there will be less beekeepers and if opening that bee importation door will help then it should be opened. And of grater concern is that there may be no or few feral honeybee populations, based on increasing reports, (though I am really not convinced that this is a new problem in the feral populations as it is something I have noted over the last forty years and may have no relationship to pests or disease), but it does remain a concern since so many are now reporting a reduction, to a complete collapse of feral honeybee populations. Most of these reports are not based on history, and are only valid observations at the time made. But for sure if this reduction continues then there will be no wild honeybees, but then there were none in California just a 100+ years ago when a swarm would sell for $100 gold. And it can be expected that when there are no honeybees in our hives there will be few in the bush, unless you wish to believe that the TexMex bees are going to replace the feral populations, but then there are laws and regulations preventing this, in fact the same one's that have prevented you and I from importing bee's. ttul Andy- Los Banos, Ca (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ What is not good for the swarm is not good for the bee >From Drmobius@cris.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:23 EST 1996 Article: 3895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr !vyzynz!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!mariner.cris.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: 25 Mar 1996 15:48:33 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4j6f8h$397@tribune.cris.com> References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mariner.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jim Moore (moore@aiag.enet.dec.com) wrote: : I'm curious and just begining, : o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker : o are there any tricks to it I use small pieces of pine branch as the fuel to keep the smoker burning, then tightly twisted bundles of pine straw on top to provide the thick smoke. It is easy to light and will stay lit with occassional additions of bundles as needed. The smoke is very cool and very thick. Timothy >From 100341.2110@compuserve.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:23 EST 1996 Article: 3896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve. com!newsmaster From: 100341.2110@compuserve.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen analysis, pollen coefficients for taraxacum, please help. Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:03:16 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4jb07d$r7v@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd22-156.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi! We started analysing our honey's origin by watching the pollens under a microcospe lately. As is described in the litterature, however, some flowers produce lots of pollen and little honey and others just do the opposite. There are therefore tables of pollen coefficients allowing to compute the percentage of honey from the percentage of observed pollen. We have a honey which looks and tastes like dandelion (taraxacum off.) honey but does not contain more than about 5% dandelion pollen. The main "contaminant" is, unsurprisingly, rape seed (brassica). Has anybody had similar experiences or, better still, know an approximate pollen coefficient (number of pollen grains / g of pure honey) for dandelion? >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:24 EST 1996 Article: 3897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.ed u!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Bees, Mason (Osmia), carpenter, solitary, and Bumble Date: 27 Mar 1996 12:54:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4jbdqo$h6d@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <31563242.494D@baker.cnw.co m> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3897 sci.bio.entomology.misc: 2213 In article <31563242.494D@baker.cnw.com>, Sean Overman wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Most of the wild honey bees it this area (Sunnyvale, California, USA - San >> Francisco Bay area) have been killed by a mite. I am looking for an >> alternative way to pollinate fruit trees in my backyard. I have seen wood >> blocks, with holes drilled in them, being sold as Mason Bee (Osmia Bee) >> houses. I would like to build my own. I have been told you can build >> similar houses for Carpenter Bees if the holes are larger. I am also >> interested in other solitary bees and Bumble Bees. >> >> Has anyone had any experience with the above? >> >> What kind of wood is best for the Bee Houses? >> >> What hole sizes are used for Mason Bees (Osmia Bees)? >> >> What hole sizes are used for Carpenter Bees? >> >> Do you need to provide mud or water (or anything else) for them? >> >> Are Mason Bees (Osmia Bees) commonly found in northern California? >> >> Any other advice or pollination suggestions? >> >> Please E-mail me at: ryoung@inow.com >> >> Rick Young >> - Rick (EMail: ryoung@inow.com) > cross posted to seci.bio.entomology.misc Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From ersmith@cisco.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:24 EST 1996 Article: 3898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!decwrl!usenet.cisco.com!us enet From: ersmith@lint.cisco.com (Eric Woznysmith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will bees reuse cappings Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:14 GMT Organization: Cisco Systems Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4jbig6$gt7@cronkite.cisco.com> Reply-To: ersmith@cisco.com NNTP-Posting-Host: c2robo6.cisco.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Folks, I just installed 3 new hives from pacage bees. I have some cappings left over from last year and was wondering if the bees could would use these to fill out the comb or just throw them away. Any thoughts on he subject? BTW The cappings came from desease free bees. Thanls in advance. Eric >From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:25 EST 1996 Article: 3899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!cpk-news-h ub1.bbnplanet.com!crick.sura.net!news.ums.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.edu!cbl.cees.edu! worrell From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will bees reuse cappings Date: 28 Mar 1996 01:47:00 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4jcr2k$ni7@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: <4jbig6$gt7@cronkite.cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Eric Woznysmith (ersmith@lint.cisco.com) wrote: : Folks, : I just installed 3 new hives from pacage bees. I have some cappings : left over from last year and was wondering if the bees could would use : these to fill out the comb or just throw them away. Any thoughts on : he subject? Eric, I'd say that the likelyhood of some use is pretty good. Usually packages include a large number of older bees who no longer secrete beeswax themselves and will use any wax available. When I install packages on older drawn comb, the first comb built is brown, not white as would be expected if they were using virgin wax. Jerry Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. >From dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:25 EST 1996 Article: 3900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!po rtal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu !catalpa.inhs.uiuc.edu!user From: dyanega@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Doug Yanega) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio.entomology.misc Subject: Re: Bees, Mason (Osmia), carpenter, solitary, and Bumble Date: 28 Mar 1996 00:44:50 GMT Organization: Illinois Natural History Survey Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <31563242.494D@baker.cnw.co m> <4jbdqo$h6d@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: catalpa.inhs.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27.1+ Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:3900 sci.bio.entomology.misc: 2224 > In article <31563242.494D@baker.cnw.com>, > Sean Overman wrote: > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Most of the wild honey bees it this area (Sunnyvale, California, USA - San > >> Francisco Bay area) have been killed by a mite. I am looking for an > >> alternative way to pollinate fruit trees in my backyard. I have seen wood > >> blocks, with holes drilled in them, being sold as Mason Bee (Osmia Bee) > >> houses. I would like to build my own. I have been told you can build > >> similar houses for Carpenter Bees if the holes are larger. I am also > >> interested in other solitary bees and Bumble Bees. > >> > >> What kind of wood is best for the Bee Houses? AS far as I know, it doesn't matter much - not too soft, and ideally angled almost imperceptibly downwards (so rainwater won't run *in*) > >> What hole sizes are used for Mason Bees (Osmia Bees)? About the diameter of a pen or pencil. > >> What hole sizes are used for Carpenter Bees? closer to the diameter of your index finger. Ideally, by having a large variety of diameters, from very small to very large, you'll attract a larger range of bees and wasps, virtually all of which are beneficial in one respect or another (e.g., many Sphecid wasps eat hompterans such as aphids, leafhoppers, etc.). > >> Do you need to provide mud or water (or anything else) for them? Generally speaking, they'll find it if they need it. > >> Are Mason Bees (Osmia Bees) commonly found in northern California? Several species, and Osmia isn't the only leafcutter bee genus that will nest in holes. > >> Any other advice or pollination suggestions? Don't spray pesticides on the soil around your yard if you can avoid it, mow in the evenings, and keep litter and debris down - this will help encourage all the hundreds of species of native *ground-nesting* bees to live in the area - genera such as Colletes, Andrena, and Halictus can be very common visitors and pollinators of fruit trees *IF* they have a place to form nesting aggregations in the ground (if you've got a thick, carpet-like lawn, the odds are virtually zero). There are, after all, 3,000 native bee species, and all they need is a little encouragement. Doug Yanega (dyanega@mail.inhs.uiuc.edu) Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA (217) 244-6817 fax:(217) 333-4949 affiliate, University of Illinois Dept. of Entomology http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu:80/~dyanega/my_home.html "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:26 EST 1996 Article: 3901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.ed u!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergic reaction precaution Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:34:52 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 25 Message-ID: <315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) "Stuart L. Morris" Stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk> writes > >I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to > >post my first question.... > > > >My wife and I are thinking about keeping bees. We have > >two small children (both under 2 years) and a history > >of asthma in both families. > > > >I'd be interested to hear from people with experience > >of health problems affected, either improved or made > >worse, by exposure to bees (ok, being stung is an obvious > >risk but that has been covered in some depth in this > >group, i'm thinking more of mites and propolis etc.) > > Even though you don't really ask about bee sting risks, there is a considerable amount of medical evidence in the literature that suggests the persons having asthma or other allergic conditions may be more sensitive than the average person to bee stings. A higher proportion of these people may also develop the dangerous generalized allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). I say this not to discourage you, but to encourage you (and any others out there) to get a prescription from your doctor for an injectible epinephrine solution (Epipen, or the like) and keep it with you at all times in the beeyard. It can save a life. >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:26 EST 1996 Article: 3902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.ed u!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:52:57 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 34 Message-ID: <315AEE19.7D14@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Jim Moore wrote: > > I'm curious and just begining, > > o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker > > o are there any tricks to it > > o anyone ever have a bad experience smoking the bees with ... > > o what advice about transporting, handling, and extinguishing > > o any funny and educational anecdotes. > > I remember the time ... All the advice so far given is right on. Just a few added things: I recently found that broken up pieces of old acoustic ceiling tile (if dry, of course) are excellent for getting a smoker going. They burn far too fast, though, to depend on for your main smoke. For that, I usually use very crumbly rotten wood, which has to be dried out for some time before you even think of using it. After I get a smoker going in the apiary, I add to it with whatever is at hand - sticks, pine needles, pine cones, dry grass tightly twisted, etc. These items are usually harder to get started than the rotted wood, but save on my stores of that commodity when the smoker is hot. One other thing - while smoke will calm the bees, blowing flames on them either kills them, starts the hive afire, or at the very least enrages them. Keep your smoke cool! I usually put a small wad of damp dead grass on top of the burning fuel for this purpose. Ted Fischer grass on >From caa@cdc.noaa.gov Tue Apr 2 00:04:27 EST 1996 Article: 3903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.i nternetmci.com!in2.uu.net!csnews!boulder!caa From: caa@cdc.noaa.gov (Craig Anderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Honey Date: 28 Mar 1996 22:32:52 GMT Organization: Climate Diagnostics Center Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4jf42k$q2d@lace.colorado.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: solberg.colorado.edu Hi folks, Been following the group for awhile and I was curious if some of they local beekeepers out there often sell honey by mail. I make a bit of Mead and would be interested in acquiring 12lb lots of the more exotic honeys. I already deal with ones like Mesquite and Citrus. If anyone is interested just drop me a line by e-mail, but it might be a few days before I reply since I "HAVE" to go out and play in the snow for a few days. Thanks for any pointers. Craig Boulder, CO caa@cdc.noaa.gov >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Tue Apr 2 00:04:27 EST 1996 Article: 3904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!explo rer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smokers and Tobacco Date: 29 Mar 1996 12:56:55 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4jgmmn$p62@explorer.csc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com In my recent readings, I have come across some references to using tobacco in the smoker with the implication that the tobacco smoke kills varroa. Is there any validity to this? What benefits are derived from using tobacco? What drawbacks? Opinions? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Tue Apr 2 00:04:28 EST 1996 Article: 3905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!explo rer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Smokers and Tobacco Date: 29 Mar 1996 12:56:59 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4jgmmr$p64@explorer.csc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com In my recent readings, I have come across some references to using tobacco in the smoker with the implication that the tobacco smoke kills varroa. Is there any validity to this? What benefits are derived from using tobacco? What drawbacks? Opinions? Mark Egloff MEGLOFF@CSC.COM >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:28 EST 1996 Article: 3906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction precaution Date: 29 Mar 1996 12:53:00 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4jgmfc$p3h@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >"Stuart L. Morris" Stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk> writes >> >My wife and I are thinking about keeping bees. We have >> >two small children (both under 2 years) and a history >> >of asthma in both families. >> > >> >I'd be interested to hear from people with experience >> >of health problems affected, either improved or made >> >worse, by exposure to bees (ok, being stung is an obvious >> >risk but that has been covered in some depth in this >> >group, i'm thinking more of mites and propolis etc.) >> > > >Even though you don't really ask about bee sting risks, there is >a considerable amount of medical evidence in the literature that >suggests the persons having asthma or other allergic conditions >may be more sensitive than the average person to bee stings. A >higher proportion of these people may also develop the dangerous >generalized allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). I say this not to >discourage you, but to encourage you (and any others out there) >to get a prescription from your doctor for an injectible >epinephrine solution (Epipen, or the like) and keep it with you >at all times in the beeyard. It can save a life. Stuart, I like Theodore's comment about the epinephrine kit. Regarding the mites and propolis in relation to allergies, that seems incredibly remote that those would give you a problem. I think setae (bee hair) would be a more likely culprit. There has been some indication that spouses of beekeepers are slightly more likely to develop sensitivity to bee stings. We don't know exactly why, but there is some conjecture. One thing you can do is wash the clothes you use to work your bees seperately from the general laundry. I'll repeat what Theodore said, this information shouldn't scare you. I don't think the probabilities of anything coming from this (other than stings) is greater than anything else you could do. If you are really worried, have your family tested for honey bee venom sensitivity before you start. If you do this, make sure it is HONEY BEE venom and not other stinging insects. If you still want to keep bees, you can go through desensitization. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From gkendall@shellx.best.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:29 EST 1996 Article: 3907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net! news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!shellx.best.com!not-for-mail From: gkendall@shellx.best.com (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Date: 28 Mar 1996 21:34:46 -0800 Organization: Best Internet Communications Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4jfspm$ehm@shellx.best.com> References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shellx.best.com >Yugoslavian strain that was supposedly resistant to mites. Anyone >have any experience with these? Know of any dealers? Taber's Honey Bee Genetics, PO box 1672, Vacaville, CA 95696. I used them last year, they did just fine, I have a package on order as we speek. >From jellis@nmu.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:30 EST 1996 Article: 3908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews! news.mtu.edu!walter.acs.nmu.edu!usenet From: jessica ellis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: general info please? Date: 29 Mar 1996 14:17:58 GMT Organization: northern michigan university Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4jgrem$mvp@walter.acs.nmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.110.195.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) could anyone give me some very basic information about this profession for a term paper? >From rxa365@portland.maine.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:30 EST 1996 Article: 3909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnp lanet.net!news3.near.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!news From: rxa365@portland.caps.maine.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted - Light Crude Beeswax Date: 29 Mar 1996 15:01:11 GMT Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4jgtvn$suq@sol.caps.maine.edu> Reply-To: rxa365@portland.maine.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: async50.ts-p-caps.caps.maine.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ LIGHT CRUDE BEESWAX WANTED. Please call or fax 603-569-3616 Mel Zarinsky >From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:31 EST 1996 Article: 3910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!NewsW atcher!user From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:43:58 -0500 Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.19 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 In article <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com>, dallison@mindspring.com wrote: > Several years ago, all of my colonies succumbed to tracheal mites. > I'm thinking of getting started again. I remember hearing about a > Yugoslavian strain that was supposedly resistant to mites. Anyone > have any experience with these? Know of any dealers? > > Maybe that should be Former Yugoslavian bees.... :-) > > Doug Allison > Decatur, GA > > dallison@mindspring.com Doug, I lost 6 of 6 hives last winter and got three packages of Yugo bees last spring. As of yesterday I hadn't lost any of them. For me to NOT lose any hives is a miracle! Last year during the late winter/early spring period I had lots of bees crawling around in a disoriented fashion in from of the hives. I haven't seen that this year. Rick Haver haver@dartmouth.edu >From mesa@hooked.net Tue Apr 2 00:04:31 EST 1996 Article: 3911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sover.net!n ews From: mesa@hooked.net (Lauren Augusta) Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture,alt.education.alternative,alt.agricultu re.fruit,alt.,agriculture.misc.,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HOST FARMS NEEDED Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:23:30 GMT Organization: Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4ji9hf$ikv@thrush.sover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm0a24.bf.sover.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu alt.sustainable.agriculture:11662 alt.education.alternat ive:3209 alt.agriculture.fruit:2100 sci.agriculture:10056 sci.agriculture.beeke eping:3911 MESA, a non-profit, USIA-designated international exchange organization, is now interviewing sustainable/organic growers, ag. extension agents and CSAs willing to host young international farmers. seeking live/work positions on your farm/facility for six months or one year . MESA's Russian, Lithuanian, Honduran and Guatemalan candidates are agriculturally skilled and want to improve their knowledge in sustainable practices, thus promoting eco-farming around the world. > We are currently seeking host farms in the Western region of the U.S., but would welcome inquiries from anywhere in the U.S. Host farms provide room, board and a $675/month program fee (or $800/month w/room only) and get a very reliable and enthusiastic individual working full-time on your farm! MESA provides the international farmers with $300/month stipends, health insurance, educational seminars, J-1 visas, domestic travel and administrative support. Host farms have no payroll taxes or legal documentation concerns. We have 4 openings left, and we must secure placements for these international farmers ASAP! If you could directly benefit from this international farmers exchange , or wish to share your knowledge with others from around the world, we would appreciate hearing from you. If you know a farm that might work for these present applicants, or other applicants in the future, kindly share this information with them or e-mail information to MESA so that we might contact them. If you would like to receive specific information about any of the current applicants, please send a brief introduction with your full address and telephone #, or contact: Lauren Augusta, Executive Director >MESA - Multinational Exchange for Sustainable Agriculture >5337 College Ave., ste. #508 >Oakland, CA 94618 >(510)654-8858 >email: mesa@hooked.net Thanks in advance for your help >From owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz Tue Apr 2 00:04:32 EST 1996 Article: 3912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-wink en.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!owenathome From: owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preferred smoker material and methods Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:53:35 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <31516F4D.794B@aiag.enet.dec.com> <4j6f8h$397@tribune.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 > > : o what are the preferred materials to burn in the smoker Some time ago I bought whAt Dutch beekeepers use - a small smoker that uses tobacco. It can be clipped around your neck, and you blow into a tube instead of using bellows. I like it. You use floor-sweeping grade tobacco which is cheap. >From beeman@netcom.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:32 EST 1996 Article: 3913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom. com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:04:23 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: beeman@netcom8.netcom.com Doug Allison (dallison@mindspring.com) wrote: : Several years ago, all of my colonies succumbed to tracheal mites. : I'm thinking of getting started again. I remember hearing about a : Yugoslavian strain that was supposedly resistant to mites. Anyone : have any experience with these? Know of any dealers? : Maybe that should be Former Yugoslavian bees.... :-) : Doug Allison : Decatur, GA : dallison@mindspring.com A few years ago I was secretly given a yugo-queen as a blind test, a friend of mine knew that I had lost a queen and that I would put it in a large wall hive in my house (2'x4'x6" with large plexiglass front) my friend said let me know if I notice anything different about these bees, as it was of dubious origin! A couple months went by and I noticed that the population was very high and that they would groom each other! I would watch them for hours and notice subtleties such as how one bee would attract the attention of others to get groomed, it was really bizarre. Also of interest was the amount of dead mites on the bottom of the hive. They didn't seem to be the greatist honey producers, but they were great at robbing!!! - beeman >From beeman@netcom.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:33 EST 1996 Article: 3914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom. com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) Subject: Re: bleaching beeswax Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4j2ier$efj@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:09:16 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: beeman@netcom8.netcom.com V. Goss (ba772@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: : I am a crafter interested in learning how to bleach beeswax for : candlemaking. Any help or references are appreciated. : -- : Vesna E. Goss : Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Build a solar melter and leave your wax in for a long time. >From beeman@netcom.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:33 EST 1996 Article: 3915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom. com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) Subject: Anyone into Yellow jackets? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:35:32 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: beeman@netcom8.netcom.com I am a beekeeper who keeps more than bees, I also keep Yellow jackets, Hornets,wasps, and bumble bees. I guess you could say that I'm into Yellow jackets, as I have been keeping them for years. Some seasons I have dozens of hives from several different species. I am very interested in large perennial (2yrs +) Yellow jacket colonies that have very high populations. I am willing to travel to see really big ones, and especially ones that are a different species than the ones that I have in my area. In my area I have: Vespula vulgaris, Vespula pensylvanica,Vespula germanica Dolichovespula arenaria,Dolichovespula maculata (bald faced hornet). If anyone has similar intrests e-mail, or post follow-up. beeman@netcom.com >From greenstr@mnsinc.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:34 EST 1996 Article: 3916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.mnsinc.com !news From: greenstr@mnsinc.com (Tim Greenstreet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticides Date: Sat, 30 Mar 96 15:45:36 EST Organization: mnsinc.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4jk5q5$529@news1.mnsinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.22.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.6 I have 15 Peace trees located near my Bee Yard,What should I use to Ride them of Pest's and not harm my bee's ? Tim >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:34 EST 1996 Article: 3917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Importation Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603272219381617@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 40 *More is heard from the bee breeding industry on less restrictive imports on honeybees and semen. From the bee list group. ---------------------------------------- From: "Susan W. Cobey" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:00:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Importation Concerning importation, some good points are being brought up. Andy, I think we need a higher level of sophistication in bee breeding in this industry and am hoping the ability to import stock will stimulate this, and develop more competition to push queen producers in this direction. I agree, we need to get beyond the value of this solely in marketing. As mentioned, there are lots of failures in maintaining imported stock and in breeding programs in general. This is expensive, labor intensive and takes a degree of expertise and a major long term commitment- which few are prepared to give. But, let's have a level playing field. I'm not advocating an open door policy. We need a mechanism here to discourage the uncontrolled, illegal importation of stock - Isn't this why we have parasitic mites. (The grass always looks greener!) The law is too restrictive and pocket importation too easy. A protocol need to be established to make this safe and effective, plus restrict it to those who can maintain and propagate it for the industry. Susan Cobey Ohio State University Dept. of Entomology 1735 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 Tel.(614) 292-7928 Fax (614) 292 2180 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love HONEY! I Love U HONEY! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:35 EST 1996 Article: 3918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Resistant Stock Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603272219391618@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 46 *FYI* From: rdanka@ASRR.ARSUSDA.GOV Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:04:09 -0500 Subject: Varroa Resistant Stock The USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, is seeking the help of beekeepers in a project aimed at combatting Varroa jacobsoni. We at the laboratory are searching U.S. honey bee germplasm for traits which contribute to resistance to, or tolerance of, varroa. Beekeepers are urged to contact us if they are aware of infested colonies that have survived for more than a year without treatment to control varroa. Many people have commented to us about colonies that they think may be resistant. Now is the time to critically evaluate these genetic resources from across the nation, as resistance may indeed have had a chance to be expressed. We ask the nation's beekeepers to check for possible "survivor" colonies as beekeeping activities are stepped up in the weeks ahead. This project can accommodate up to 50 queens. The queens will be evaluated in 1996, and the best will be used for further stock research and development during the next two to three years. Each contributing beekeeper will be sent the results of the initial queen evaluation and a complimentary queen from the first generation of propagated material. The chief goal of this project is to deliver an improved stock back to U.S. beekeepers. Thus, this is a unique opportunity for concerned beekeepers to contribute to the wellbeing of their industry. Anyone wishing to contribute potentially useful queens should contact one of the principal investigators (listed below); queens will be needed in Baton Rouge by the end of April. We ask that no queens be sent before arrangements are made with us. Robert Danka (tel. 504/767-9294, email RDANKA@ASRR.ARSUSDA.GOV) John Harbo (504/767-9288, JHARBO@ASRR.ARSUSDA.GOV) Thomas Rinderer (504/767-9281, TRINDERE@ASRR.ARSUSDA.GOV) USDA, ARS Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory 1157 Ben Hur Road Baton Rouge, LA 70820-5502 tel. 504/767-9280, fax 504/766-9212 >From gph@pluto.njcc.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:35 EST 1996 Article: 3919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news. new-york.net!earth.njcc.com!news From: Gary Hammell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Web Site: The David Suzuki Foundation Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:44:32 -0800 Organization: New Jersey Computer Connection, Lawrenceville, NJ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <315E37E0.6705@pluto.njcc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-47.njcc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) The David Suzuki Foundation is a federally registered Canadian charity working to design a future in which humans live within the planet's productive capacity. It is finding and supporting practical steps to make that vision a reality. The David Suzuki Foundation is proud to announce its presence on the WWW. If you would like to visit the site, the URL is as follows: http://www.vkool.com/suzuki/ >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:36 EST 1996 Article: 3920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.um ich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction precaution Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:37:24 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 18 Message-ID: <315BF5A4.563E@umich.edu> References: <315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu> <4jgmfc$p3h@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I thought I'd post here a little research I did this morning and posted on the BEE-L, regarding the stability of Epipen. A quick check of the Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) doesn't really say anything about the shelf life of Epi-pen. However, it does give the following warnings: 1) It is light sensitive. Keep the self injector in the protective tube provided. 2) It is sensitive to temperature extremes. Keep it at room temperature (15-30 degreesC/59-86 degreesF). This means do not refrigerate or leave in your glove compartment to freeze in the winter and cook in the summer. 3) Check to make sure that the solution is not discolored (it should be clear) and contain no precipitate (flocculate material). Since I must confess to not keeping its temperature that well controlled, I routinely get a new prescription for Epi-pen every spring. >From tvf@umich.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:36 EST 1996 Article: 3921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.um ich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will bees reuse cappings Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:47:08 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <315BF7EC.6F83@umich.edu> References: <4jbig6$gt7@cronkite.cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Eric Woznysmith wrote: > I just installed 3 new hives from pacage bees. I have some cappings > left over from last year and was wondering if the bees could would use > these to fill out the comb or just throw them away. Any thoughts on > the subject? > > BTW The cappings came from desease free bees. I don't think there should be any problem doing this, but be sure to put the cappings inside the hive - between inner and outer covers, probably. I doubt that the bees will reuse very much of the wax, but they might, and they certainly can benefit from the honey on the cappings. Be careful of robbing, though, since these are package bees and may not strongly protect their colonies yet. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:37 EST 1996 Article: 3922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CIA or AA Honey Trade Lea Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603310620471636@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 59 1996 New Crop Honey Market Appears Strong Asking prices for SA honey at record highs, early reports of $0.97 for Argentine honey. As more reports come in of moderate USA trade in Honey, truck load lots at $1.00 or more for clean up on last years crop and for several loads of this years Florida Orange Crop. I also ran across two requests through US Foreign Service Agricultural contacts at the US embassies represented by the countries that want to buy honey. More information will follow as received, but it looks like it's going to be at the least a good strong marketing years for the 1996 North American crop of Honey. ttul Andy- United States Department of Agriculture Foreign Agricultural Services TRADE LEADS ********* 12 Feb 1996 Honey, natural (United Arab Emirates, TC). (HS Code: 0409000000). PURE HONEY Quantity: 200 MT PER ANNUM. Quality: 100% PURE , GRADE A. Package: JARS OF 250G, 325G/350G, 500G OR 8OZ, 12OZ, 16OZ. Delivery: ASAP. Quote: C&F DUBAI. Other: TWO YEAR SHELF LIFE AND LABELS IN ARABIC & ENGLISH REQUIRED. Bank Ref: NATIONAL BANK OF DUBAI, P.O.BOX 777, DUBAI, U.A.E. CONTACT: MR. ALAN COMYN, AL RAWABI DAIRY CO., P.O.BOX 50368, DUBAI, UAE.. Phone: (9714) 892-123.. FAX: (9714) 892-494. (Ref Number: 199602080024TC1). United States Department of Agriculture Foreign Agricultural Services TRADE LEADS ********* 20 Feb 1996 Honey, natural (United Kingdom, UK). (HS Code: 0409000000). Quantity: Full Containerloads. Quality: Bottling/Table Grade. Package: approx 300kg drums. Delivery: After new crop 1996. Quote: Either FOB, C&F or CIF. Other: For delivery to UK. Bank Ref: National Westminster Bank plc, 1 Mincing Lane, London EC3N 1LN. CONTACT: Mr Stephen Beaty, Fuerst Day Lawson Group, 30 - 33 Minories, LONDON, United Kingdom EC3N 1LN. Phone: +44 171 488 0777. FAX: +44 171 488 9927. (Ref Number: 199602160055UK1). --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The summer comes with flower and bee,-- >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:38 EST 1996 Article: 3923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where to get more bees? Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603310620471637@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 47 ---------------------------------------- D>From: Dgherget@aol.com >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:55:36 -0500 >Subject: Where to get more bees? D>I'm quite a novice beekeeper up in southern New Hampshire. I've lost my bees >over the winter too and went online to look for information about how to >proceed. I saw your item where you said the suppliers are booked up on >orders. Any ideas where I might try to order more? Also, what do I need to >do besides cleaning out the dead bees. There is still honey in the hive. > Would new bees accept this honey? Thanks if you can give me any info. Hi Dgherget@aol.com Yes, the honey should be OK for getting a new hive started. Shake the dead bees out the best you can. The new bees will have nothing to do but fix up the old hive so if it was healthy, does not have AFB scale or smell like a glue pot you should have no problems. They will clean out the bees stuck in the cells, if you have any like that, and can repair most other damage. As for new bees or more bees get down to the police station and your fire house and tell them you want to pick up a couple of swarms. As for buying bees. Being out here in California I don't know if anyone is shipping bees that far east from here. Get out the American Bee Journal and start calling around for suppliers. Also check with your closest Dadant's Branch, they sometimes have bees coming in for their customers and you may be able to get in on one of the shipments. Good Luck Andy- PS I will post this to the beekeeping news group as I am sure some of the others will have ideas that may help and may know of a good bee supplier in your area. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; >From icons@inco.com.lb Tue Apr 2 00:04:38 EST 1996 Article: 3924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inco.com.lb!news From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First International Arab Apicultural Congress Date: 31 Mar 1996 09:46:23 GMT Organization: IncoNet sal Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4jlk9f$aap@phoenix.inco.com.lb> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.188.136.121 Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: bees, beirut, congress Content-length: 816 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.07.36 The Federation of Arab Beekeepers Association is pleased to announce its first international congress which will be held from the 17th to the 20th of August 1996 at the American University of Beirut. Official languages will be Arabic and English. Abstracts of report should be sent to the organizing committee PO Box 90/1404 Beirut Lebanon Fax +961 1 890085 email: icons@inco.com.lb An international api expo will be open to the participants all days of the congress. Participation fees: 4 days including opening ceremony and visits to apiaries and to Baalbek: $50 Entry for one day: $10 For more information and hotel reservations, contact Rashid YAZBEK, head of organizing committee PO Box 90/1404 Jdeidet Beirut, Lebanon Phone: +961 1 890644 Fax: +961 1 890085 email: icons@inco.com.lb >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Tue Apr 2 00:04:39 EST 1996 Article: 3925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction precaution Date: 1 Apr 1996 13:19:17 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4jol4l$rmb@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu> <4jgmfc$p3h@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <315BF5A4.5 63E@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/315BF5A4.563E@umich.edu "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >I thought I'd post here a little research I did this morning and >posted on the BEE-L, regarding the stability of Epipen. > >A quick check of the Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) doesn't really >say anything about the shelf life of Epi-pen. However, it does give >the following warnings: >1) It is light sensitive. Keep the self injector in the protective >tube provided. >2) It is sensitive to temperature extremes. Keep it at room >temperature (15-30 degreesC/59-86 degreesF). This means do not >refrigerate or leave in your glove compartment to freeze in the winter >and cook in the summer. >3) Check to make sure that the solution is not discolored (it should >be clear) and contain no precipitate (flocculate material). > >Since I must confess to not keeping its temperature that well >controlled, I routinely get a new prescription for Epi-pen every >spring. I believe that keeping it in the refrigerator is okay. Of course, if you go out without it and it is left in the refrigerator, that will not help you. Freezing and high temperatures like those encountered when left in a vehicle would not be good for it. The primary indicator is that the epinephrine is still CLEAR, and not cloudy. For best results, replace it after the expiration date. All epi-pens, kits, or vials should have an expiration date. Have the pharmacist order a new one for you each time so you get the latest date. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From ckillora@eid.awinc.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:40 EST 1996 Article: 3926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!k ryten.awinc.com!news From: Carol Killoran Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Small Plastic Bees Date: 1 Apr 1996 16:21:51 GMT Organization: Eastern Irrigation District Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4jovqv$lc4@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: network05.eid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) My Fiance is a beekeeper in Alberta, Canada. We are getting married in May, a nd for wedding favors, we are giving everyone a small jar (100 ml) of honey. I am decorating the jars with white lace and purple material - tied on to the lid wi th purple ribbon. On top I am going to glue some small dried or silk flowers and hopefully a SMALL PLASTIC BEE. My fiance's Dad has a few really great plastic bee pins - but we don't know whe re he got them, and I am having a hard time finding some more. Does anyone have a su pply of these: a 3-dimensional plastic Bee(not fuzzy), realistic (goldish) color, u nder an inch long, with or without a pin, and at hopefully under $0.50 each. I need at least 175 of them. Thank you for your time. Carol -- =================== Carol Killoran Brooks, Alberta, Canada ckillora@eid.awinc.com >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:40 EST 1996 Article: 3927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world !mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Where to get more bees? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:53:10 GMT References: <9603310620471637@beenet.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Andy, I have a load of 4lb pkgs coming up on May 12, via Wilbanks Apiaries. I live in New Ipswich, NH. (NH/MA border between Keene and Nashua) If this gentleman is interested he may call me at 878-1010 to arrange a pickup. Jon Camp - Silver City Apiaries >From KQJT78A@prodigy.com Tue Apr 2 00:04:41 EST 1996 Article: 3928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodi gy.com!usenet From: KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 2 Apr 1996 01:13:43 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 110 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap1-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Can anyone offer any suggestions about complaining new neighbors moving into an area and immediately making an issue about bees. I have a one-acre "mini-farm" in a suburban area that was originally rural until the past 10-15 years, when urban sprawl swallowed up what was once a beautiful area of forests, meadows, and lakes. I have over 100 fruit trees, berries, grapes, a large vegetable garden, many ornamental borders, a small pond, and generally love my home. The property has been in my family since the 1940's, and my grandfather built the house in 1949. Among my hobbies is beekeeping. I have had bees since Ford was President, and my dad previously kept bees dating back to the 1920's, so I guess its just in my blood. I do consider myself an amateur, because I keep bees basically for enjoyment, in order to have copious amounts of honey for personal, family use, and to give as gifts, and I have on occassion sold honey in small quantities, but this is not a regular practice. At any rate, I presently have 12 hives located behind my orchard at the back end of my long, narrow lot, about 40 feet from the back lot line. I have had up to 20 hives at a time back there. The long-time neighbors on either side of me, both of whom have been here almost as long as I, have never had one complaint about my bees, and I've always been careful to make sure that everything's neat, tidy, and run properly. Last year, developers purchased and bulldozed the 10 acre parcel of woods and meadow immediately behind me, and put in large, modern, expensive homes 3.5 to the acre. These houses are on 60 x 80 lots, and four of them fit along my back lot line. The back doors are about 35 feet from my lot line, and there is perhaps 12 feet between the homes side to side. Yesterday, I had the "pleasure" of meeting one of my new neighbors, who came strolling into my yard unannounced and univited as I was doing some spring cleanup to specifically ask me whether I intended to still keep bees, have a vegetable garden (the bee hives sit in the back center of my vegetable garden), use mulch around my trees, keep up some "no tresspassing" signs I had posted to keep construction workers out of my yard, keep my back fence, plant a replacement tree where an evergreen had died last winter, etc.. He informed me, among other things, that my beehives and signs were "unsightly" from his back windows. Needless to say, I was greatly displeased, but not really surprised, as I anticipated just this type of problem. In fact, I told my wife when I first learned >from the township planning commission that they were putting in a subdivision that this would be nothing but trouble! I am by nature very reserved, and I all in all just listened and held my tongue, but I would have loved to mention several things, like the fact that no one bothered to consult with me about whether or not I wanted to look at ugly houses, whether the deer wanted to be evicted from their home in the woods which were bulldozed, etc.. However, I said nothing, and intend, as long as possible, to say nothing and continue to do as I have always done. Anyway, I have absolutely no intention of giving up my bees unless forced to by a court of law. At this point, there is no ordinance against bees in my community, and, as far as I know, there are no longer any state laws here in Michigan governing beekeeping, as a few years ago our inspection service was disbanded. I did tell my "neighbor" that I was in complete compliance with all ordinances, and that I intended to keep my bees. I also intend to keep mulching my trees, planting my garden, etc.. I just can't imagine that someone who would behave in this manner! I would never dream of moving to a new home and then start complaining about my neighbors, especially about things which have been around far longer than I. Luckily, about 10 years ago, I did have the presence of mind to see this sort of thing comming, and I planted a row of then seedling fraser fir along my back lot line, and these trees are now about 5-6 feet tall, and within a few years will grow to make a dense screen. Also, between the back of my garden and the trees is a 10 foot deep perennial and shrub border which is fairly dense in summer, but which is not too thick in winter after the perennials die down and the shrubs drop their foliage. I am just utterly disgusted by this whole situation, but not surprised. Nor will I be surprised to expect similar from my other new "neighbors," when and if I meet them. Any suggestions about dealing with this situation would be much appreciated. It is impossible for me to locate my bees anywhere else on my property, because among other reasons, I have many fruit trees, and I am afraid of spray damage to the bees. But beyond that, I don't feel why I should have to move my bees, or for that matter change anything else. After all, I was not only there first, but bees, gardens, and all were in plain view when the developers were selling these lots and building these houses, so no one can claim that they did not see or know what I have in my yard. The first thing the developer did was to literally clearcut these lots, leaving the view wide open. Any suggestions anyone may have would be greatly appreciated. If anyone knows of any legal precidents about beekeepers' rights or responsibilties, that would be of great interest to me. I just know that I'm going to get blamed, and probably sued, the first time someone in this new subdivision gets stung by a yellowjacket or a mosquito! I have no intention of being told what I can and cannot do in my own yard, and I also have no intention of changing my lifestyle to accomodate some whiny newcomer. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, and if you can't tolerate "the country" stay in the damn city! Things should get really interesting in a few weeks when I start spraying my fruit trees at 5:30 in the morning before the wind comes up! At any rate, if you've read all this, thanks. I don't really know if I've accomplished anything, but it feels good just to vent my frustration. Thanks, Dennis >From ibm.net Tue Apr 2 00:04:41 EST 1996 Article: 3929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news -m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: general info Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:43:22 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1996Apr01.184322.4353685@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-178-99.bc.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Ask the questions, you might be suprised with the answers. >From ibm.net Tue Apr 2 00:04:42 EST 1996 Article: 3930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news -m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: smoker fuel Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:48:02 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1996Apr01.184802.4633418@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-178-99.bc.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 We have always used burlap, its cheap, easy to access and works excellent. >From rurban@ccmail.ceco.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:46 EDT 1996 Article: 3931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohi o-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!firewall!ceco!root From: Roger Urban EUC Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors X-Nntp-Posting-Host: limey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:07:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4c) X-Url: news:4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com Lines: 57 KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) wrote: >Can anyone offer any suggestions about complaining new neighbors moving >into an area and immediately making an issue about bees. > >I have a one-acre "mini-farm" in a suburban area that was originally >rural until the past 10-15 years, when urban sprawl swallowed up what was >once a beautiful area of forests, meadows, and lakes. > >I have over 100 fruit trees, berries, grapes, a large vegetable garden, >many ornamental borders, a small pond, and generally love my home. The >property has been in my family since the 1940's, and my grandfather built >the house in 1949. > >Among my hobbies is beekeeping. I have had bees since Ford was President, > and my dad previously kept bees dating back to the 1920's, so I guess >its just in my blood. I do consider myself an amateur, because I keep >bees basically for enjoyment, in order to have copious amounts of honey >for personal, family use, and to give as gifts, and I have on occassion >sold honey in small quantities, but this is not a regular practice. > >At any rate, I presently have 12 hives located behind my orchard at the >back end of my long, narrow lot, about 40 feet from the back lot line. I >have had up to 20 hives at a time back there. The long-time neighbors on >either side of me, both of whom have been here almost as long as I, have >never had one complaint about my bees, and I've always been careful to >make sure that everything's neat, tidy, and run properly. > >Last year, developers purchased and bulldozed the 10 acre parcel of woods >and meadow immediately behind me, and put in large, modern, expensive >homes 3.5 to the acre. These houses are on 60 x 80 lots, and four of >them fit along my back lot line. The back doors are about 35 feet from >my lot line, and there is perhaps 12 feet between the homes side to side. > > >Yesterday, I had the "pleasure" of meeting one of my new neighbors, who >came strolling into my yard unannounced and univited as I was doing some >spring cleanup to specifically ask me whether I intended to still keep >bees, have a vegetable garden (the bee hives sit in the back center of my >vegetable garden), use mulch around my trees, keep up some "no >tresspassing" signs I had posted to keep construction workers out of my >yard, keep my back fence, plant a replacement tree where an evergreen had >died last winter, etc.. He informed me, among other things, that my >beehives and signs were "unsightly" from his back windows. That's his problem, not yours. He's trying to make you think it's your problem, and being rather rude and imposing about it. He is responsible for buying his house, and if he didn't check out the neighborhood in advance then he created his own problem. You could suggest to him that he has every right to plant lots of trees in his back yard and maybe he should because the sight of his big ugly house is disturbing to you. Of course, he's lucky he didn't pull this kind of stunt with me...I probably would have hauled a few junk cars and put them right back there along the fence line so he could see. And, posted a few more signs, right next to the yellow jacket and wasp hives that were real close to where he dared to trespass on my property. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:47 EDT 1996 Article: 3932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.um ich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone into Yellow jackets? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:08:48 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 29 Message-ID: <31614300.DA0@umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) demetrius wrote: > > I am a beekeeper who keeps more than bees, I also keep Yellow jackets, > Hornets,wasps, and bumble bees. I guess you could say that I'm into > Yellow jackets, as I have been keeping them for years. Some seasons I have > dozens of hives from several different species. I am very interested in > large perennial (2yrs +) Yellow jacket colonies that have very high > populations. I am willing to travel to see really big ones, and especially > ones that are a different species than the ones that I have in my area. > In my area I have: Vespula vulgaris, Vespula pensylvanica,Vespula germanica > Dolichovespula arenaria,Dolichovespula maculata (bald faced > hornet). If anyone has similar intrests e-mail, or post > follow-up. beeman@netcom.com > Goodness, why would anyone want to "keep" yellow jackets? For most of the year, they and I stay out of each other's way. However when it's extracting time I can easily keep honeybees out of my honey house, but those damn yellow jackets frustrate my every attempt at an insect free room. All I can do is put up an electric bug light in the honey house and zap yellow jackets by the pound. I guess I can say that I also have an interest in yellow jackets, but my objectives are differest! Not to be too negative, however, I enjoy having the nests of the bald faced hornets around. I used to watch them in the horse stable sitting in wait for stable flies, making a dash for one, then returning to their perch to munch away. These hornets, however, occasionally make their way into the beehives to steal something or other. Once in awhile I find one in the hive that the bees have successfully killed and covered with a thin coating of propolis. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:47 EDT 1996 Article: 3933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.um ich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:18:11 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 12 Message-ID: <31614533.111F@umich.edu> References: <4jk5q5$529@news1.mnsinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I think that the very safest control would be to get some insect pheromone and set up baits and lures in your peach trees. With them it is necessary to hang colored balls coated with a sticky substance such as Tanglefoot. Peach borers I am quite sure would be easily attracted and caught with this method. You can get this sort of thing >from gardeners catalogs (such as Gurney's, and many others). It will not attract bees at all, nor kill them except the one or two that blunder onto the sticky balls. I have twenty hives of bees in an orchard in southeastern Michigan (USA) and have worked for many years with the orchardist to successfully raise both bees and fruit on the same land. It works! >From rehrauer@apollo.hp.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:48 EDT 1996 Article: 3934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp .com!apollo.hp.com!netnews From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:41:49 GMT References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jurassic.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 36 In article Roger Urban EUC writes: >KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) wrote: >>Can anyone offer any suggestions about complaining new neighbors moving >>into an area and immediately making an issue about bees. [...] > >That's his problem, not yours. He's trying to make you think it's your problem , >and being rather rude and imposing about it. He is responsible for buying his >house, and if he didn't check out the neighborhood in advance then he created >his own problem. You could suggest to him that he has every right to plant lot s >of trees in his back yard and maybe he should because the sight of his big ugl y >house is disturbing to you. Hmmmm, I sympathise with your reaction, but I suspect Dennis hasn't heard the last from this jerk. So it *is* his problem, in a very real sense. If I were in Dennis' shoes, I'd be a little concerned that this guy is going to try to get town or county authorities to come down on the bees as a health hazard or some such meanness. It might pay for Dennis to have a little preemptive chat about this with said folks. I don't suppose there's any chance of just reasoning with the guy...? >Of course, he's lucky he didn't pull this kind of stunt with me...I probably >would have hauled a few junk cars and put them right back there along the fenc e >line so he could see. And, posted a few more signs, right next to the yellow >jacket and wasp hives that were real close to where he dared to trespass on my >property. Rude busybodies who know how to play "the system" in their favor would eventually win that scenario, I'll bet. -- All software is bug-free, assuming | Steve rehrauer@apollo.hp.com sufficiently clever definitions of | Massachusetts Language Lab "feature" and "expected behaviour". | USDA Zone 5, more or less >From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:48 EDT 1996 Article: 3935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth. edu!NewsWatcher!user From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shipping packages from California east Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 16:22:44 -0500 Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.14 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 Has anybody had any experience with getting packages from California shipped to the east?? The guys in the south don't do carniolans (ggrrrr!) but there seem to be plenty of Carny suppliers in California. How well do these packages travel across the country?? I imagine they would take at least an extra day to Vermont compared to a Georgia package. How well do the bees stand up to this? Rick Haver haver@dartmouth.edu >From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:48 EDT 1996 Article: 3936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth. edu!NewsWatcher!user From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anyone into Yellow jackets? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 16:29:17 -0500 Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.14 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 In article , beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) wrote: > I am a beekeeper who keeps more than bees, I also keep Yellow jackets, > Hornets,wasps, and bumble bees. I guess you could say that I'm into > Yellow jackets, as I have been keeping them for years. Some seasons I have > dozens of hives from several different species. I am very interested in > large perennial (2yrs +) Yellow jacket colonies that have very high > populations. I am willing to travel to see really big ones, and especially > ones that are a different species than the ones that I have in my area. > In my area I have: Vespula vulgaris, Vespula pensylvanica,Vespula germanica > Dolichovespula arenaria,Dolichovespula maculata (bald faced > hornet). If anyone has similar intrests e-mail, or post > follow-up. beeman@netcom.com > There's a guy where I work that advertises for active hornet nests. He's a scultor of sorts and he attaches strange things to the nests in the spring and early summer in the hope that the hormets will incorporate them into the nest structure. Last year he attached feathers and some fish skeleton. I've suggested a retro-techno-chic motif of incorporating machinery parts and nuts and bolts. It'd look great with the steel gray of the nests. He loaded up on proctective gear last year and still wears welding leathers. Says he's felt them ram into he this back like the had a half a mile head start but hasn't gotten stung. >From vrzoc@server.uwindsor.ca Sun Apr 7 09:12:49 EDT 1996 Article: 3937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans. net!torn!news!server.uwindsor.ca!vrzoc From: "M. Vrzoc" Subject: Canadian Bee Journal Wanted X-Nntp-Posting-Host: server.uwindsor.ca Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: news@news.uwindsor.ca (Usenet) Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 04:43:55 GMT Lines: 11 I am interested in purchasing a subscription to this magazine for my father, a former beekeeper from Yugoslavia. He has not kept up with the practice but would like to return to it in retirement. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. M. Vrzoc (vrzoc@uwindsor.ca) | Just a little off the top! | -- A. Boleyn >From sdl20@pacificnet.net Sun Apr 7 09:12:49 EDT 1996 Article: 3938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!news1.erols.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news From: sdl20@pacificnet.net (Del Stanton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergic reaction precaution Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 06:03:58 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4jt4f7$hq4@news2.cais.com> References: <315AE9DC.22FE@umich.edu> Reply-To: sdl20@pacificnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-8.pacificnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 My response is inserted in the quoted text. - Del Stanton "Theodore V. Fischer" wrote: >"Stuart L. Morris" Stuart@azaria.demon.co.uk> writes >> >I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to >> >post my first question.... >> > >> >My wife and I are thinking about keeping bees. We have >> >two small children (both under 2 years) and a history >> >of asthma in both families. >> > >> >I'd be interested to hear from people with experience >> >of health problems affected, either improved or made >> >worse, by exposure to bees (ok, being stung is an obvious >> >risk but that has been covered in some depth in this >> >group, i'm thinking more of mites and propolis etc.) >> > The worst sting I ever had came on top of a 4 or 5 day old case of extensive posion oak attach on my arms and face. My hand was stung, also the inside of my forearm on the same side. My had swelled like an inflated rubber glove and around the sting on my arm the flesh became quite hard. I thought this would sensitize me to bee stings and that I would have to give up my hive. I avoided stings for about a year and when I was stung again I had no adverse reaction. As I write this I wonder if I was foolish not to seek medical attention, but I just waited for the symptoms to subside. I imagine that the posion oak had reduced my ability to deal with the bee sting. >Even though you don't really ask about bee sting risks, there is >a considerable amount of medical evidence in the literature that >suggests the persons having asthma or other allergic conditions >may be more sensitive than the average person to bee stings. A >higher proportion of these people may also develop the dangerous >generalized allergic reaction (anaphylaxis). I say this not to >discourage you, but to encourage you (and any others out there) >to get a prescription from your doctor for an injectible >epinephrine solution (Epipen, or the like) and keep it with you >at all times in the beeyard. It can save a life. And finally - a closing signature, Del Stanton Burbank, California sdl20@pacificnet.net (Lower case SDL, numeric 20) >From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:50 EDT 1996 Article: 3939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans. net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping packages from California east Date: 3 Apr 1996 08:10:59 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 28 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4jttd3$fhd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) writes: >From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) > >Has anybody had any experience with getting packages from California shipped >to the east?? The guys in the south don't do carniolans (ggrrrr!) but >there seem to be plenty of Carny suppliers in California. How well do >these packages travel across the country?? I imagine they would take at >least an extra day to Vermont compared to a Georgia package. How well do >the bees stand up to this? I wouldn't want to subject the packages to the extra stresses. There's usually enough without adding another day or two. Queens are easily shipped, so it would not be necessary to send whole packages. You could order queenless packages, or could have your package producer use the queens you select and send to him. I have done this for buyers of nucs, since I do not raise Carniolan stock. I find Carnies can't stand 100 degree heat, which we often have in the summer. They'll dwindle right down, often to nothing. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:50 EDT 1996 Article: 3940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf0 1.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticides Date: 3 Apr 1996 08:15:14 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4jttl2$fjk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4jk5q5$529@news1.mnsinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4jk5q5$529@news1.mnsinc.com>, greenstr@mnsinc.com (Tim Greenstreet) writes: > I have 15 Peace trees located near my Bee Yard,What >should I use to Ride them of Pest's and not harm my bee's ? > Peace = Peaches? Your bees will not be harmed, if you do not poison their food supply, or the field bees working on flowers. Therefore you never spray insecticides during the bloom of the peaches. Don't let weeds bloom around the trees, because they could draw bees. I've seen mustard, clover and various mints in orchards, which should not be allowed to grow there. Before spraying, read label directions. If the material is toxic to bees, directions will prohibit application while bees are foraging. Check to see if they are visiting any flowers under the trees.. If there is no bloom that is drawing them, they won't be there, and they won't contact the poison. If you find some weed blooming, that you didn't expect, a mowing to clip the flowers just before application will also work. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From Drmobius@cris.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:50 EDT 1996 Article: 3941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texa s.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!viking.cris.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping packages from California east Date: 3 Apr 1996 22:16:35 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4jutc3$e6t@tribune.concentric.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rick Haver (rick.haver@dartmouth.edu) wrote: : Has anybody had any experience with getting packages from California shipped : to the east?? The guys in the south don't do carniolans (ggrrrr!) but : there seem to be plenty of Carny suppliers in California. How well do : these packages travel across the country?? I imagine they would take at : least an extra day to Vermont compared to a Georgia package. How well do : the bees stand up to this? : Rick Haver : haver@dartmouth.edu Try Busby Apiary in Angie, LA 504-735-5330. They sell carniolan queens and packages. Honey Land farms near Orlando,FL 904-429-3996 sells ARS YC1 hybrid carniolan that is supposed to be mite resistant (I'll know later this year) Timothy >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:51 EDT 1996 Article: 3942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Shipping packages from California east Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:52:37 GMT References: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 I think you are going to find that most Western package producers won't ship to the eastern seaboard. Strachan and Taber won't, they produce carniolanbees and queens. The losses are too great, it is roughly two to three times the shipping distance, and the post office has enough trouble getting them from GA and AL alive as it is. Evidently you haven't experienced the US Postal Service's famous "apis ala fructose"? (that roughly translates to any race of honeybee lightly simmered in a bath of high fructose corn syrup while in transit for three days in the back of an overheated contract carrier) I'm am sure that there are many hobbyists out there that can relate that experience to you with great deatil. Jon Camp Silver City Apiaries "how can you be in two places at once, when you're not anywhere at all..." (Firesign Theatre - The Further Adventures of Nick Danger, Private Eye, circa 1969) >From XPVQ27A@prodigy.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:51 EDT 1996 Article: 3943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodi gy.com!usenet From: XPVQ27A@prodigy.com (Robert Rhymer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 4 Apr 1996 02:10:15 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4jvb27$11ri@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Your situation sounds like mine a couple of years ago . Try being nice to the jerk the next time you run into him . Maybe a jar of honey and an education about bees . If that doesn't work you might want to check with local officials to be sure your within your rights to keep bees . Then go plant a nice row of bamboo between you and the jerk . In two or three years you'll have a thirty foot high privacy fence . Good luck . Rob - >From 102177.174@CompuServe.COM Sun Apr 7 09:12:52 EDT 1996 Article: 3944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve. com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: doc <102177.174@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cassette comb hive Date: 4 Apr 1996 04:06:56 GMT Organization: -- None -- Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4jvht0$l5i$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> I tried Dadant's cassette comb hives(2) last season and had less than optimal success. Anyone with experience with the cassette comb system, please speak up, good or bad. -- _________________________________________________________________ It is a rare problem that cannot be mended with time, money or duct tape. _________________________________________________________________ >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:52 EDT 1996 Article: 3945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 3 Apr 1996 13:03:19 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4jtsuo$fd6@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: KQJT78A@prodigy.com X-URL: news://news/4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) wrote: >Can anyone offer any suggestions about complaining new neighbors moving >into an area and immediately making an issue about bees. > Dennis, Wow, you were great! I admire your self control and I think you handled it perfectly. Do your best to not be antagonististic. Let him rant and rave if he must. I think the law will be on your side if you have been responsible and you should be grandfathered in, even if there is a new ordinance. Nothing is certain, however. To position yourself for a potential future problem, the things you should do (and you really already have) are: 1) keep hives a "safe" distance from the property line 2) provide a fence or hedge around the bees 3) provide a water source on your property 4) do not overload the number of hives on your property Now, remember, I really am on YOUR side of this argument, but 12 hives on a one acre lot where you are may be a little high. I wouldn't go any higher. I think with the good record you have with your neighbors, it would have weight in court. Also, by doing the other things, it shows that you are keeping your bees in a responsible manner. The water supply may not be used by your bees, and there may not be anything on the new development's property to attract bees, but it is just part of the package. Perhaps a real fence on the back property line would be in order, also. In summary, the whole situation is unfair to you and the other guy is an uninformed busybody. However, life is not fair. Do what you can with dignity. If this ever does go to court, let us know and we will all try to help you. There are cases of precedent out there that could help you and a one or two state beekeeper associations to lobby for you. SB *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From Jan_Forbes@gbrmpa.gov.au Sun Apr 7 09:12:52 EDT 1996 Article: 3946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc. mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu .edu!munnari.OZ.AU!hobyah.cc.uq.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!news From: Jan Forbes Subject: Keeping Australian Native bees? Message-ID: <1996Apr4.031138.19246@marlin.jcu.edu.au> X-Xxdate: Thu, 4 Apr 96 21:17:30 GMT Sender: news@marlin.jcu.edu.au (USENET News System) Organization: GBRMPA X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 03:11:38 GMT Lines: 6 A few years ago I saw a television spot about a man in Mackay, North Queensland, Australia who was successfully keeping Australian Native social bees and had designed a 'bee-box' especailly for them and was extracting honey successfully. Can anyone enlighten me further? Does anyone know who he is?? Jan >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:53 EDT 1996 Article: 3947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!newsstand.ci t.cornell.edu!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Date: 4 Apr 1996 08:03:44 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4jvvp0$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] demetrius (beeman@netcom.com) wrote: : A few years ago I was secretly given a yugo-queen as a blind test, a friend : of mine knew that I had lost a queen and that I would put it in a large wall : hive in my house (2'x4'x6" with large plexiglass front) my friend said : let me know if I notice anything different about these bees, as it was of : dubious origin! A couple months went by and I noticed that the population : was very high and that they would groom each other! I would watch them : for hours and notice subtleties such as how one bee would attract the : attention of others to get groomed, it was really bizarre. Also of : interest was the amount of dead mites on the bottom of the hive. They : didn't seem to be the greatist honey producers, but they were great at : robbing!!! - beeman beeman, were these tracheal or varroa mites? dave t. >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:53 EDT 1996 Article: 3948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!howlan d.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net !ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Resistant Stock Date: 4 Apr 1996 08:18:47 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4k00l7$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <9603272219391618@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] : The chief goal of this project is to deliver an improved stock : back to U.S. beekeepers. : Thus, this is a unique opportunity for concerned beekeepers to : contribute to the wellbeing of their industry. Anyone wishing to : contribute potentially useful queens should contact one of the : principal investigators (listed below); queens will be needed in : Baton Rouge by the end of April. We ask that no queens be sent : before arrangements are made with us. Just out of curiousity, who is going to "own" the resulting hybrid? Put another way, is this going to end up getting sold to a queen producer (or set thereof) who will then charge a premium for it? I am cautious because it seems to me the U.S. Government tends to subsidize too many industries/firms as it is (e.g., Archer Daniels Midland, various forestry and mining interests, some cattle grazers, (NO FLAMES PLEASE unless you can convincingly monetize the value of the negative externalities resulting >from grazing on public lands and show that the grazing fee compensates for them, including intertemporally) etc.) I'm interested in particpating since I do removals and have access to feral stock. The fact that USDA is making the F1 hybrids available to those who contribute is encouraging, but I'd still like to know who will own the resulting strain and how it will be marketed. dave t. >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:53 EDT 1996 Article: 3949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!uwm.e du!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!c sn!news-1.csn.net!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 4 Apr 1996 08:39:49 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4k01sl$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4jvb27$11ri@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] You might also consider having a preemptive chat with the other neighbors too. If they moved into your area in the first place, they may have found it's ruralness attractive and thus be favorably pre-disposed toward bees if approached in a friendly manner (complete with mason jar of last year's crop). The guy you wrote about sounds like someone with the potential to alienate everyone else (i.e., newcomers too) so why not meet the other folks first, and help him hang himself. dave t. >From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 7 09:12:54 EDT 1996 Article: 3950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!news From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping packages from California east Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 13:50:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4k09ia$cbj@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin17.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) wrote: >Has anybody had any experience with getting packages from California shipped >to the east?? The guys in the south don't do carniolans (ggrrrr!) but >there seem to be plenty of Carny suppliers in California. How well do >these packages travel across the country?? I imagine they would take at >least an extra day to Vermont compared to a Georgia package. How well do >the bees stand up to this? >Rick Haver >haver@dartmouth.edu Busby's Apiaries has the best caniolans in the country! I have used his queens for years. They are so gentle that my state inspector refers to them as sissy bees. I have tried many of the carnie queens >from the West Coast including the New World Carniolan and allways end up going back to Busby's queens. They are just the finest to be be found. Greg Ferris Maryland beekeeper honeybs@radix.net >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun Apr 7 09:12:54 EDT 1996 Article: 3951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news. sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Three questions about natural V-mite control? Date: 4 Apr 1996 14:58:47 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4k0o38$p22@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I remember seeing somewhere that Neem (a natural product) can be used for control of varroa mites. Does anyone know how it is diluted and applied? Does anyone know where there is more information on this? Another related question; How does this new Varroa Mite solution advertized work? This is the stuff that has a petrolium jelly base and natural herbs. I got some and applied it to my hives but have not detected any mite fall? I also remember reading about the use of wintergreen in sugar syrup for control of mites. Was this for varroa or treacheal mites? I cannot find it in the local stores. Do you use extract or oil? I am in need of a natural type of control because of the way seasons and honey flows run in my mountain desert climate. The fall flow from asters (my big harvest) can run clear up into December some years which makes treatment in the fall too late to prevent some colonies from crashing. This also makes the fall treatment with Apistan end at about the same time the spring treatment should begin. I cannot see any sense in applying consecutive Apistan treatments. Thanks for any help or references. Victor C. Rimkus, Albuquerque NM USA vcrimku@sandia.gov >From kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:54 EDT 1996 Article: 3952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu! kac.dartmouth.edu!kac From: kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu (Warlock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:05:22 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4jtsuo$fd6@taco.cc.ncsu.ed u> NNTP-Posting-Host: kac.dartmouth.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <4jtsuo$fd6@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Steve Bambara writes: >From: Steve Bambara >Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors >Date: 3 Apr 1996 13:03:19 GMT >KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) wrote: >>Can anyone offer any suggestions about complaining new neighbors moving >>into an area and immediately making an issue about bees. >> >Dennis, > Wow, you were great! I admire your self control and I think you >handled it perfectly. snip.... >Perhaps a real fence on the back property line would be in order, > However, life is not fair. Do what you can with dignity. >*************************************************************** >Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 There is an old saying "That good fences make good neighbors" unfortunately today that is another meaningless rural expression. There are more of *them* that there are of us. When he complains he will get attention. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Warlock Wolf #3 kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu FLSTC Lurking in the shadows <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:55 EDT 1996 Article: 3953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 4 Apr 1996 12:56:39 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4k0gu7$8ag@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4jvb27$11ri@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4k01sl$k90@ netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/4k01sl$k90@netnews.upenn.edu djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >You might also consider having a preemptive chat with the other neighbors >too. >The guy you wrote about sounds like someone with the potential to alienate >everyone else (i.e., newcomers too) so why not meet the other folks first, >and help him hang himself. > > >dave t. Dave has a great suggestion. If the other neighbors meet you first and you are nice to them, the unkind fellow can't prejudice them against you. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:55 EDT 1996 Article: 3954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!col ossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Bee Site Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603290744571623@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 67 The OLd Drone found this using INFOsearch newsgroup search. Check it out, you may get some good ideas for your own web page. Search results for honey > Newsgroup article _________________________________________________________________ Subject: Palais D'Amour Company New Product Date: 27 Mar 1996 22:16:10 GMT From: Norm Larsen _________________________________________________________________ News Release For immediate release Contact: Mr. Gerry D1Amour, President Palais D1Amour 4729 31st Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55406 voice: 612-722-8623 email: bighjohn@aol.com Honeymoon Sweet Goes To The Moon March 25, 1996: Minneapolis, MN - - The Palais D1Amour Company proudly announces the creation of a new home page on the world wide web for their Honeymoon Sweet line of premium honey. 3Our goal is to raise the American standard of living through eating and enjoying natural foods,2 states Gerry D1Amour, president of Palais D1Amour. 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Where the bee sucks, there suck I; >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:55 EDT 1996 Article: 3955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc. mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink .net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will bees reuse cappings Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603291902191627@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4jbig6$gt7@cronkite.cisco.com> Lines: 25 E>From: ersmith@lint.cisco.com (Eric Woznysmith) >Subject: Will bees reuse cappings E>Folks, E>I just installed 3 new hives from pacage bees. I have some cappings >left over from last year and was wondering if the bees could would use >these to fill out the comb or just throw them away. Any thoughts on >he subject? E>BTW The cappings came from desease free bees. Hi Eric, They will clean the honey out of them, but it's not a good idea as they also could start robbing and take out your new hives, and they will, in this area, attract ants that will also stay and may find your new hives. I would not do this, but I have, and if you keep an eye on everything it can be done. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where bee-hives range on a gray bench in the garden, >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:56 EDT 1996 Article: 3956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!col ossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anaphylaxis happens Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:19:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603290744571624@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 75 *Crossed posted from the b-list because some of you may bee interested. ---------------------------------------- BM>From: Bill Miller >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:37:52 -0500 >Subject: Re: Anaphylaxis happens BM>As a beekeeper who does keep a (probably out of date) Epi-pen in my bee tool >pail, I am curious as to just what the shelf life and storage conditions are >for the things. Hi Bill, Ask your friendly druggist...we beekeeper's do know it all but sometime's don't have it all together. Your health is worth whatever the cost to keep it, don't rely on beekeepers for health advice, always's get a second professional opinion... BM>Fortuantely, I have never had the need to use the one in my pail, but as one >who had been declared sensitized to stings from assorted insects (including >honeybees), I still consider an Epi-pen in the bee tool pail desirable. To have one of these in your possession without a prescription in California can get a beekeeper some hard time on a felony convection. It is so bad here that several years ago I rushed a person who was going into shock from one bee sting 20 miles at 100 mph to the nearest town and found a drug store that was open only to have them refused to sell us one of these epi-pens which the guy had forgot to bring with him. Lucky for us a doctors office was just a block away and the doctor was still in. The guy was so far gone he was like a limp rag and needed help getting into the doctors office. He was given a double dose by the doc, who was really afraid the guy was going to die right in his office. What a mess that would have been, killing a beekeeper is not easy but to clean up after one is a real job. A hour later we were back on the road. No worse from the experience just $70 lighter and a lot wiser. Good to read you have been desensitized, it is really worth the pain to get the treatments and I had two in the family who went through it for years and no longer have any problems. They do get stung once in awhile to check it out. For the $20 every week for a year it better still work. I don't charge them for the bee they use. I was lucky, when I started keeping bees you died or became a bee man. One sting anywhere on the head would close both of my eyes for hours. I never will forget the horror in my mother face the first time she saw me after I got stung because I could not just sit and watch the bees come and go from my first hive without putting my noise into the beehive that really was not the ideal pet. After I started working in the bees commercially I always's got it just about noon on saturdays when ever I was planning a trip home which was several hours away in my old model A. I would end up having to stop and sleep from trying to hold my swollen eyes open. After a hour or so the swelling would go down and I could make it home for the weekend. The good news I did not die and after many thousands of stings over several years I stopped swelling up. It still hurts like heck, especially on areas of the skin that are tight or normally not exposed to the daylight. I really feel for anyone who has to worry about bee stings. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... It had need to bee >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:56 EDT 1996 Article: 3957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!col ossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dutch Bee Page Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603300504431628@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 98 ---------------------------------------- Hi All, The OLd drone has be roaming the www again, this time I found this bee page in Holland and it looks like a good place to visit. I hope one of the Dutch beekeepers will let us know if its worth while planning a trip to the Leiden Bee Market on a holiday this June. I bet a enterprising beekeeper could do a Video on the this and make all the bee meetings next fall and winter, and maybe even sell the video's. If you are interested the e-mail address is below for the person to contact. You can also visit the page. I found it using lynx and a text search engine.... ttul Andy- Deze pagina is ook in het Nederlands. _________________________________________________________________ Ecological & Bee Market in Leiden On the second Saturday in June, there will be again in Leiden an ecological & bee market, organised by the local beekeepers union (Imkersvereniging 'Leiden en omstreken'). Not only specialized stands where you can buy beekeeping equipment, but also a lot of stands which deal with the environment will be present. _________________________________________________________________ The environment-bee-market attracks every year thousends of visitors and has got an own place in the traditionally events in Leiden. For many people this market has a good name, for all for those who are kind-hearted for protecting the environment. This year the market is organised for the twentiest time by the beekeepers of Leiden and its vicinity. As in other years, the beekeepers are presenting themselves, together with regionally and nationally working groups of nature and environment. Of couse bees are present everywhere and trading in bees is possible. The beekeepers tell with pleasure about the wonderly life of the honeybee and show how they handle their bees. The organising beekeepers union of Leiden has not for nothing as main aim the promoting of beekeeping. _________________________________________________________________ The location of the market is near the astronomical observatory and is situated at one of the nicest canals in Leiden. The Hortus Botanicus, the oldest botanical garden in Holland, is adjacent. For this event there is no admission for this nice garden. During the day you can hear and see artists performing their act. Small orchestras will occasionally play and children are entertained by a puppet player. Demonstrations will be given how to make candles, weaving, making hives, shaping bones, and so on. All these different things bring such a lot of life and cosiness, that you easely can spend some hours on the market. When you never have visited this bee-market, you should do so this year! What you will see on this market: * in the morning trade in bee colonies * selling of beekeepers equipment * selling of honey, bee-wax, candles, mead * demonstrations of treatment of bees in a special apiary * education about nature and environment * demonstrations: making beehives, weaving, making of silk paper, cheese making * entertainment by music and dance groups * exchange of material which deals with bees: stamps, postcards, coins, match boxes, books and periodicals * free entrance to the Hortus Botanicus As soon as the complete program is known, more information will be presented. _________________________________________________________________ The market is located near the astronomical observatory, close to the Hortus Botanicus in the centre of Leiden. From 9 p.m to 5 a.m. you are welcome! _________________________________________________________________ This market is organized by the beekeepers union 'Leiden en omstreken' (in Dutch). _________________________________________________________________ This page is set up by Ilja van de Pavert. Email should be sent to me at ilja@nki.nl. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The bee, dost thou forget? --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Revised Job title Ä Road Grader Man: Heavy Equipment Eng >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:57 EDT 1996 Article: 3958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!col ossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Virus Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603301642291631@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 110 B>From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:27:49 -0500 >Subject: Re: Indian B Virus >Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks B>Thanks for the postings! What info do you know of in regards to the virus >reputed to be carried by the varroa and treacheal mites? Hi Bee Folks, It's the old story, which came first, the chicken or the egg. The first thing that has been found out in the USA on bee virus...from several studies and tests on our bees done in labs in Europe, NS Canada, and now in our own lab. 1) No bees have been found without the different bee virus. 2) No Varroa mites have been found without the same bee virus. It must be remembered these test have not been on going and have been more regulatory studies then scientific research. Beekeepers seem to forget that there is a difference between applying scientific methods to identify bee problems including which virus or bug might be present in the bees to promulgate or support regulatory responsibilities and scientific research to determine how to control a problem. Most of the breakthrough's in applied bee science have come from the beekeepers themselves through trial and much tERROR. Most all of this today is done outside the framework of our laws and regulations at the risk to the individuals doing it who are branded outlaw beekeepers by our regulators. We can wish it was different but the days of applied research by public agencies providing quick fixes has long passed. And in fact the regulatory mentality is to reject all new ideas or products that have not been approved, and since they are the one's to approve new ideas there is little hope or at the least much wasted effort adding to the cost and causing delays measured in years and much disappointment. Several different bee virus are found in the bees blood, and the mites feed on the blood, so the mites have the virus if the bees have the virus. BUT since no one has found v.mites without the virus no one knows who gets what from whom. Lab studies in Europe have shown that the bee virus can be passed from the v.mites to bees through the puncture wounds. This is LAB science and may have nothing to do with what happens in the field as one virus or another may be endemic in the bees to begin with. I am sure that the mites, all of them, are not good for bees. I also suspect that controlling them may be beneficial if other stress factors are present, and they are in most situations but not necessarily all. The problem here is that NO ONE in this world knows for sure, yet, and sadly the vast majority of beekeepers in the US have intervened with chemical control forced on them by our regulatory system and it's in house scientists. It is incredulous that now the same people want to find queens from hives that have not been treated when only a short time ago thousands of hives were beeing destroyed because of their recommendations base on their own brand of regulatory science, and beekeepers were being forced to use chemical treatments. As for the T mite, I am not sure they are all that important to the health of the bees but would not argue that they should or should not be controlled. The problem with them is that in field tests the check hives would show spontaneous reduction in T mite populations without any control. I do not dispute the beekeepers who have lost bees from any cause they want to put it on. One is as good as the other when the bees are dead it is hard to be sure of anything. The main reason I do not blame mites alone for dramatic loss of bees is I from what have witnessed in my own hives and others, is that when it is bad, it may build up over several seasons, and all, 100%, of the hives will be effected at about the same rate. This is not the work of a parasite, in my own mind at least, but the work of a toxin which could be the end results of viral infections. And more important these losses predate the arrival of any mites by 100 years in the US and I am sure the rest of the bee world. In fact the observations by beekeepers and biologists of massive unexplained losses of bees is the only thing that is a constant. The bee's are dead!! I won't repeat the rest but in looking over these reports by dozens of authors through the generations one must come to the conclusion that over the years they were reporting on the same problem..but each generation had a different name for it, bee it the (B)PMS, the buzz word for todays unexplained loss in the US, or the Disappearing Disease (DD), or a dozen other flavors of the year. There is hope, better beekeeping helps. That's a polite way of saying that you may have to invest more time and money to keep your bees alive and healthy, or maybe go back to the proven system of replacing the bees each year by one system or another. But there is hope, and that is that the bad times for our bees seem to run in cycles. All we have to do is survive the down side. I suspect because of the nature of beekeeping today, bees on wheels, when the up side begins it will do so for all at a fast rate. The high value of honey in today's market could also accelerate what ever changes need to be made. Sadly individuals may not recover, just hope you or I am not one of those. ttul Andy- Los Banos, California (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Nor will a bee buzz round two swelling peaches, >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:57 EDT 1996 Article: 3959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!n ews.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.e cn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!n ew-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Condition Reports Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <9603311146581641@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 50 *A few bee condition reports off the net from USDA.. TV FV193,YYJ THOMASVILLE, GA. MAR 29, 1996 VERSTRATE - YAKIMA HONEY REPORT GEORGIA - Colonies around the state were in fair to good condition. The spring buildup and development progressed poorly during the month of March. During the month weather conditions were generally unfavorable with frequent periods of rainfall and below normal temperatures. Cold damaging temperatures on the early morning hours of March 9 and 10 damaged open blooms on a number of early nectar sources. In the southern portions of the state, blueberry blooms were lost. Titi blooms were damaged to a lesser extent. In the central portions of the state, the cold temperatures hurt the canola flow. At the end of the month, there was some activity on surviving titi blooms with subsequent honey production noted for colony buildup only. Supplemental feeding has taken place and is expected to continue until additional nectar sources become available. Overall vegetation is significantly behind that of traditional schedules. Despite the inclement weather received during March, colonies have brooded up rapidly as bees were able to work abundant pollen sources. MISSISSIPPI - Colonies around the state were in fair to good condition. The spring buildup and development progressed poorly during the month of March. During the month weather conditions were generally unfavorable with frequent periods of rainfall and below normal temperatures. Cold damaging temperatures in early March damaged open blooms on the majority of the early nectar sources. In the southern portions of the state, titi blooms suffered measurable damage. In the central and northern portions of the state most of the fruit blooms were lost. At the end of the month, there was some activity on surviving titi blooms with subsequent honey production noted for primarily colony buildup. Supplemental feeding has taken place and is expected to continue until additional nectar sources become available. Overall vegetation is significantly behind that of traditional schedules. Despite the inclement weather received in March, colonies have brooded up rapidly as bees were able to work abundant pollen sources. Beekeepers in the southern portions of the state have noted swarming towards the end of the month. 1330e sgl --O-- . --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... And where the bee with cowslip bells was wrestling. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Apr 7 09:12:57 EDT 1996 Article: 3960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usen et From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 13:18:39 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3164127F.50FE@umich.edu> References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> <4 jvvp0$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) David J Trickett wrote: > > demetrius (beeman@netcom.com) wrote: > : A few years ago I was secretly given a yugo-queen as a blind test, a frien d > : of mine knew that I had lost a queen and that I would put it in a large wal l > : hive in my house Also of > : interest was the amount of dead mites on the bottom of the hive. Beeman, > > were these tracheal or varroa mites? > > dave t. If one could see them, they were varroa mites. >From sfg@spieg.interealm.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:58 EDT 1996 Article: 3961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.erols.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!beetle.priv atei.com!spieg!sfg From: sfg@spieg.interealm.com (Doug Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New Neighbors Date: 4 Apr 1996 19:37:11 GMT Organization: privateI, LLC Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4k18d7$9g1@beetle.privatei.com> References: <4jpv07$1p7k@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4jvb27$11ri@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> <4k01sl$k90@ netnews.upenn.edu> <4k0gu7$8ag@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nexus.interealm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Steve Bambara (steve_bambara@ncsu.edu) wrote: % djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: % >You might also consider having a preemptive chat with the other neighbors % >too. % >The guy you wrote about sounds like someone with the potential to alienate % >everyone else (i.e., newcomers too) so why not meet the other folks first, % >and help him hang himself. % > % > % >dave t. % Dave has a great suggestion. If the other neighbors meet you first % and you are nice to them, the unkind fellow can't prejudice them % against you. I also think this is a good idea. I would also do as much as possible to at least appear you heard the new neighbors complaints. Do a few changes and take pictures. That way if you ever do end up in court or something you can say "Look I have been making good faith efforts and this guy is just a jerk." In my experience they look to see who makes the greatest effort to compromise. For that we want the ball in your court. Good luck and keep us updated as thing progress. -- Doug sfg@spieg.interealm.com Any day I wake up without a tag on my toe is a good day! >From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Sun Apr 7 09:12:58 EDT 1996 Article: 3962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.u iuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munn ari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!inferno.mpx.com.au!dialup-6702 From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: eucalypt honey Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 19:40:21 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4k1mlr$c1e@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.72 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 G'Day Jimn, EMail to given address returned undelivered so posting here! >Sorry to bother everyone, but I've running out of people to ask the following. >Does anyone know anyone or a company that has Eucalyptus Honey? >If you do, please write me at jasman@ix.netcom.com I presume you mean honey produced from Eucalypt trees, of which there are many varieties all producing distinctive honey. Here in Australia the eucalypts produce our major crops. Our biggest packer and exporter Capilano Honey does export some to the US but I do not know what is on the label over there. Their EMail address is capilano@mailbox.uq.oz.au mail them and ask! Alternatively I believe Blue Gum, a eucalypt, is grown in California so you might try some Californian beekeepers. Blue Gum produces a dense, light honey. If you are really desperate I could mail you some Stringy Bark, a strong dark one! (this could prove difficult if your quarantine is anything like ours) Peter Murphy Tamworth NSW, Country Music Capital of Australia pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Cheers Peter Murphy Tamworth New South Wales, Country Music Capital of Australia >From djetmore@infocom.com Sun Apr 7 09:12:59 EDT 1996 Article: 3963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!mips.infocom.com!chico3.infocom.com!user From: djetmore@infocom.com (David L. Jetmore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoker fuel Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 20:30:14 -0600 Organization: Infocom, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <1996Apr01.184802.4633418@undefined> NNTP-Posting-Host: chico3.infocom.com X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.6 In article <1996Apr01.184802.4633418@undefined>, ibm.net wrote: >We have always used burlap, its cheap, easy to access and works excellent. We have always used baling twine for much of the same reasons. Dave Jetmore -- ** David L. Jetmore ** djetmore@infocom.com >From noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us Sun Apr 7 09:12:59 EDT 1996 Article: 3964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.a ns.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What happens if a neighbor gets stung? Date: 5 Apr 1996 03:06:26 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4k22ni$jn9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-74-7.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 My wife ask me to post this: (my E-mail don't work, post here please) What legal precedents have been established if a neighbor gets stung and suffers adversely from an insect sting. We live in a suburb outside of Austin in a community, 1 acre lots, 1 bee hive, water available for the bees. This has not happened and in fact several of our beekeeper buddies live in the city with hives. Chris Noak >From staro@inforamp.net Sun Apr 7 09:12:59 EDT 1996 Article: 3965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com! winternet.com!inforamp.net!usenet From: Mark Starowicz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canadian Bee Sources Date: 5 Apr 1996 03:50:36 GMT Organization: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4k25ac$tt@sam.inforamp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts38-02.tor.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I want to set up a couple of hives this spring. Can anyone advise me about where I can get bees in Canada, especially Ontario ? Thank you, Mark Starowicz >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Apr 7 09:13:00 EDT 1996 Article: 3966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix .sunydutchess.edu!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Date: 5 Apr 1996 04:18:40 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4k26v0$8j3@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> <4 jvvp0$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> <3164127F.50FE@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] : If one could see them, they were varroa mites. Exactly... But I had thought the yugoslavian bees were held to be resistant only to tracheal mites... which is why I asked for a confirmation. dave t. >From KQJT78A@prodigy.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:00 EDT 1996 Article: 3967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodi gy.com!usenet From: KQJT78A@prodigy.com (Dennis Yonke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FOLLOWUP: HELP! Beehives/New Neigbor Date: 5 Apr 1996 15:31:31 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 78 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4k3ecj$1jke@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap1-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I would like to thank everyone who's taken the time to write to me about this issue. I din't anticipate the volume of response I've gotten - over 30 replies so far, some from as far away as Australia. Most had very good suggestions -- tact and diplomacy, and the liberal sharing of honey, which I intend to follow up; the use of plant barriers, which I am already doing. There is a thick mixed border, including several profuse colonies of bamboo, and a row of young evergreens between the bees and the new neighbors; I am providing a water source in the apiary so that the bees don't need to use a neighbor's pool; and finally, many of you suggested I consult an attorney or other legal sources about this issue. On the last thought, I had the following idea.... However, I am not sure if I would be opening a massive Pandora's box if I attempted this. Therefore, I would really like your input on this matter. My community, as it stands, has no ordinances one way or the other about bees and beekeeping. Before someone complains and gets an anti-bee ordinance passed, I am considering trying to put together a proposal for a pro-bee ordinance which would regulate but legalise the keeping of domestic bees. I am considering something like the following: 1) Make the keeping of bees specifically legal. 2) Regulate the placement of beehives. I would think 50 feet from a property line would be ideal. You can't make it too close, or it would be meaningless, but you don't want to make the distance so far away that people with small city-type lots would be prohibited from keeping bees. After all, I guess people do quite successfully keep bees even in large cities like New York and London. 3) Require the posting of warning signs x feet away from the hives. Something like: Warning. Domestic Bees. Keep Back x Feet. 4) Make tresspass without permission into a beeyard a crime with a specific fine or punishment, so that the beekeeper can have it enforced if neighborhood brats constantly parade throught their yards. Perhaps there should be a protected zone of x feet around a beehive. 5) Require beekeepers to install a water source so as to minimize the need to go to swimming pools for water. 6) Make homeowners liable for any damage caused to the bees from pesticide applications, and make them liable for any economic losses caused to the beekeeper by contaminated honey. Maybe this would make some of them think twice before randomly spraying every lower life form which moves. 7) Make the deliberate harrassment or damage of beehives a crime, and put enough teeth into it that it is enforced. My sister previously lived across the street, and her bees were vandalized several times. I never had that problem yet, because my bees are less visible from the street. 8) Regulate the number of beehives? This might help to pacify those who object. I am open to any and all suggestions on this matter, and I would really like input from the beekeeping community. Also, if anyone is aware of state or local laws of this nature, I would really appreciate a xerox of the law and any case law or legal precidents which arose out of this law. If you something like this, please e-mail me with you address, and I'll send you a s.a.s.e. or something. By the way, as I said this could be dangerously thin ice, and I'm not going to do anything without further research and careful deliberation, so if you think this is a terrible idea, stop me before I do any harm! I have always basically been a very private person, and have practiced a live and let live philosophy, but I feel very strongly that my rights should not be less equal than those of anyone else, so I am prepared to find my voice on this issue and try to do something. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dennis >From sfg@spieg.interealm.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:01 EDT 1996 Article: 3968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news. cais.net!beetle.privatei.com!spieg!sfg From: sfg@spieg.interealm.com (Doug Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happens if a neighbor gets stung? Date: 5 Apr 1996 15:36:02 GMT Organization: privateI, LLC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4k3el2$8c5@beetle.privatei.com> References: <4k22ni$jn9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nexus.interealm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rita Pirone Noak (noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us) wrote: % My wife ask me to post this: (my E-mail don't work, post here please) % What legal precedents have been established if a neighbor gets stung and % suffers adversely from an insect sting. We live in a suburb outside of % Austin in a community, 1 acre lots, 1 bee hive, water available for the % bees. % This has not happened and in fact several of our beekeeper buddies live % in the city with hives. I think each case would be on a one by one basis. I thing if there are any precedents it would have to do with bees. Things like there are bees around even when your have is not there. So how can anyone say they are your bees when they are there naturally. If you remove your bees there will still be bees in the area. I had a neighbor who's kid got stung and I just gave them general tips on what not to do. In this person's case they had a kiddie pool that was always filled with water and in the same spot. This is were the child got stung. They started emptying it when done and moved it everyday and there was no more problem. -- Doug sfg@spieg.interealm.com Any day I wake up without a tag on my toe is a good day! >From warsing@aol.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:01 EDT 1996 Article: 3969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.a ns.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mai l From: warsing@aol.com (WARSING) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1 gallon feeders Date: 5 Apr 1996 11:01:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4k3g4r$eu4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: warsing@aol.com (WARSING) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com hello interested in any tips for 1 gallon glass jars used as feeders..i.e.size of holes,if they must be level. any input on how to get them to work well and safe .have concerns about the sugar water draining on my bees >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Apr 7 09:13:01 EDT 1996 Article: 3970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!rail.news. pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.p ipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Three questions about natural V-mite control? Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 12:28:30 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3165583E.1CB@umich.edu> References: <4k0o38$p22@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Regarding restance to varroa mites: This spring at the Michigan Beekeepers meeting, Dr. Roger Hoopingarner reported on his ongoing research into varroa resistance in bees. He looked at 1) grooming behavior (where bees pick off and bite mites from each other) 2) hygienic behavior (where bees open and dispose of dead or dying brood) 3) time span of sealed worker brood and 4) varroa populations within the hive during the course of the bee's active season. He found that whereas there is evidence for increased grooming and hygienic behavior in different populations of bees, the only factor that really made a difference in to category 4 was the time length of sealed brood. It had to be less than 180 hours, and as 160 hours was approached, the varroa population was down to less than the controls given Apistan. (This is all from my memory - I didn't take notes. So I could be off somewhat in details.) About the timing for Apistan where the major honey flow is in late fall: I would apply the strips earlier. Take off the supers in a period of lesser or no flow and put in the strips. After 45 days, but in time for your aster flow, put the supers back on again. It might be a lot of extra work, but cleaning out 75% of one's hives is even worse. (I should know - I'm doing it now!) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:02 EDT 1996 Article: 3971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for honey Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604011707441645@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 9 WILDFLOWER HONEY Contact Name: Nancy Gavlak E-mail Address: NGavlak@aol.com "Looking for a mail source for wild flower honey from the Kansas City area." --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... A flash of dew, a bee or two, >From wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Sun Apr 7 09:13:02 EDT 1996 Article: 3972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!mu rdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!wfs2z From: wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William F. Shaw) Subject: York Phone # X-Nntp-Posting-Host: poe.acc.virginia.edu Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: uva Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:59:56 GMT Lines: 4 Lost references, need phone number for York Bee Co. Thx. Will wfs2z@virginia.edu >From 101725.2361@compuserve.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:03 EDT 1996 Article: 3973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve. com!newsmaster From: <101725.2361@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP ... Arguments to Persuade Date: 5 Apr 1996 20:52:10 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4k415q$fag@arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad28-235.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 703 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 I am new to beekeeping and I am finding it difficult to locate a site for an apiary. The general reaction seems to be the same .... everyone reacts with horror at the suggestion. My next attempt shall be to try and persuade my employer ( a University in Scotland ) to let me site a few hives at an off-campus site in a rural setting. The setting is ideal and quiet with only a few student residences dotted about + gardeners. However, I need ammunition to help my case .... is there any literature available for this purpose ie extolling the benefits of bees and putting the risks into perspective ? I intend to try and rally support from the Biology Department, but any advice would be great ! >From johntrn1@cris.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:03 EDT 1996 Article: 3974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news. tacom.army.mil!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!news From: John Taylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks/Old Messages/Downloading Newsgroup . . . Date: 5 Apr 1996 22:30:36 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4k46uc$8lh@tribune.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc049051.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) As a new apiarist to be, I found and have been reading this newsgroup on an irregular basis. I've also been enjoying the discussion of bees and the information. Thanks to all! Is there some way of reading old messages? Due to my work schedule, I am sometimes on infrequently, and I probably miss messages. I hope this isn't TOO far off topic . . . if it is, I'm sure I'll here about it from at least one person. Is there a way to download newsgroup messages? I'm using Netscape Navigator and Eudora Light and don't seem to be given downloading newsgroup messages as an option. I hate burning up on-line time and hate missing messages. John Taylor >From bcdickens@aol.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:04 EDT 1996 Article: 3975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newst f01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 gallon feeders Date: 5 Apr 1996 19:34:06 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 23 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4k4e5u$ov3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4k3g4r$eu4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4k3g4r$eu4@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, warsing@aol.com (WARSING) writes: >hello interested in any tips for 1 gallon glass jars used as >feeders..i.e.size of holes,if they must be level. any input on how to get >them to work well and safe .have concerns about the sugar water draining >on my bees > > The glass jars should be kept level. Make sure to fill the jars to the top to increase the suction. You might also want to place a fine screen over the top of the jar, this may help increase surface tension to avoid allowing to much syrup to escape from the jar. I hope this helps. ----------------- "Woe to him inside a nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity." Eric Hoffer Boyd C Dickens BCDickens@aol.com >From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:04 EDT 1996 Article: 3976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.a ns.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mai l From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thanks/Old Messages/Downloading Newsgroup . . . Date: 5 Apr 1996 22:58:16 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4k4q4o$t01@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4k46uc$8lh@tribune.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader > Is there a way to download >newsgroup messages? I'm using Netscape Navigator and Eudora Light and >don't seem to be given downloading newsgroup messages as an option. I >hate burning up on-line time and hate missing messages. I don't know the exact answer to your question, but perhaps this will help. If you have a particular topic of interest, you can do a search of newsgroups at the following web address. http://www.dejanews.com/dnwhy.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:04 EDT 1996 Article: 3977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Needed Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604020737061648@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 21 *More looking for bees from the B-List. Not a good sign when someone in the South is looking for bees for sure. ---------------------------------------- From: Tony & Mary Jones Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:12:37 -0400 Subject: Bees Needed Howdy from Kentucky! We are looking for a supplier of healthy bees to begin again this season. We lost all of our bees over the winter, most likely to varroa or wax worms. We have a new hive body to begin again, but our local bee supplier (Walter Kelley Co. in Clarkson, KY) is sold out of bees. Does anyone have an address or phone number of a reputable company >from which we can order bees at this late date? A company which guarantees that they are varroa-free when shipped is necessary. Your help and assistance is greatly appreciated, as we need the bees for pollination as well as for honey. Thanks a bunch! - Mary & Tony Jones --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the wild bee never flew, >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:05 EDT 1996 Article: 3978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: KILLER BEE HYPE Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604041715301662@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 181 The Hype of the Killer Bee's (EXPOSED) Many years ago now when the killer bee was made infamous by several sci-fi movies and much hype by American Bee Scientists interested in gaining grants to study them, our local TV station did a series on them by sending a crew to Mexico to film them live and first hand. I recorded these programs so I could show them to other beekeepers who would drop by for visits and passing the gas on beekeeping. By accident I stoped one of these tapes of bees stinging animals and to my complete surprise the poor chicken that was being stung by the killer bees was tied up by a string attached to its leg in front of the hive. I should not have been surprised as I had learned at a young age the Walt Disney did not film the Living Desert and purchased it from a young film maker who did and used captive and trapped animals to do it. Anyway a few days ago I found a text file on the internet put up by a writer who has for years specialized in hyping the Killer Bees and has written numerous articles, a book, and even tried his hand at marketing Killer Bee Honey. Do a text search for BUZZ or Killer Bees, or Bees and have a look for yourself, or you can request the text version from me at: mylife.txt@beenet.com its about 25k in size. What you will find in this text is information on how it was done to us.... -----------------EDITED AND OUT OF CONTEXT------------------- MY LIFE WITH THE KILLER BEES For nearly twenty years, I've watched as the killer bees made their way north. Now they're in California. So am I. By Ed Zukerman Sometime this year, when the flowers are blooming and the nectar is flowing, a wild bee colony will prosper to the point of overcrowding. The bees will take appropriate action. And the first colony of killer bees will fly into Los Angeles. For the bees, this will be just another minor milestone on a journey that began thirty-eight years ago and more than six thousand miles away. It will be the latest chapter in one of the great biological success stories of the century -- the overrunning of much of a hemisphere by a handful of imported insects. It is a tale of pitiless natural selection, and of some very nasty deaths. It is also the story of my life. I was less amused to read, as I flew southward toward my first encounter with killer bees, the following eyewitness account in National Geographic: "Suddenly hundreds, thousands of bees appeared. Dr. Eglantina ran, but she had a lame leg. She tripped and fell into a ditch. She crawled But it was too late." It was with some trepidation that I debarked in Cayenne, the capital of French Guiana, I had come to this peculiar place to meet Professor Orley R. "Chip" Taylor Jr., a University of Kansas entomologist who was studying the killer bees with several enthusiastic graduate students. Guiana. There wasn't much else to do. Her name was Connie, and she was wearing a sundress, and she was remarkably casual, I thought, when she led me to the backyard to show me several wooden bee hives brimming with killer bees. I stopped twenty feet away. "It's all right," she said. "They're gentle." I nodded and returned to the living room. She followed me in, picked up her afghan, and told me how, in her husband's absence, neighbors had recently notified her and another grad student's wife of an errant killer bee swarm, and that the two women had gone out and captured it in a butterfly net. "We've seen the guys do it so many times that we know how," Over the next few days, I watched the bee researchers sort through more colonies bare-handed, placidly absorbing stings as they looked for individual bees onto whose backs they had glued tiny numbers. I watched a column of army ants attack a colony of killer bees (the bees won, with a little help from the graduate students). I checked into a local hotel under the name Green Brown (the clerk misread my passport). And I was attacked by forty thousand killer bees. * The attack was provoked on purpose, for the benefit of a visiting * film crew from the United States Department of Agriculture, and * everybody, even the graduate students, dressed for the occasion the hive opening, casually going about their business. Chip looked at them skeptically. "They're not going to do anything," he said. "I'm sure of it." He tried to rile them anyway. When the camera started to roll, Chip pried off the hive's entrance plates with a machete. Bee defenders flew up to attack him. The cameraman asked Chip to hold up a chamois leather target he'd prepared as part of the attack demonstration, but it was already too late. Though the cameraman was standing only a few feet away, Chip could not hear him. The outraged buzzing of the bees around his head was too loud. Chip whacked the bee box with his machete, and the bees went totally insane, engulfing us all in the distinctive angry buzz of bees on the attack and the slightly putrid odor of the chemical signal they release to summon their comrades. The bees circled our heads and bounced off our veils, trying to get to our faces. More than a hundred bees were bouncing off my veil alone, just inches from my eyes, where they would have dearly loved to sink their stingers. Others climbed over my suit, trying to edge into the gaps I'd taped up. In 1985, several colonies of killer bees, stowaways on a ship from South America, were found near Bakersfield, California. They were promptly destroyed, and no others were found (the killer bee front line was then in Nicaragua), but this precursor of the inevitable killer bee invasion of the United States put the bees in the headlines again. In 1989, the killer bees were well established in Mexico, on the doorstep of Texas at last. Another magazine sent me off to do another killer bee article. In the Mexican city of Jalapa, I was reunited with Prof. Orley R. "Chip" Taylor, whom I hadn't seen since French Guiana twelve years before I spent a week in Mexico, and it was all fairly interesting. I drove around with two Mexican employees of a half-baked U.S. government program designed to stop the killer bees from reaching the United States. Pablo and Manuel traveled in a white Dodge pickup, checking empty bee boxes they'd set out on rural roads to see if they'd been occupied by migrating killer bee swarms. If they had, Pablo and Manuel would kill the bees with soap and water. In fifteen months, they had killed thirty killer bee colonies. The program, Chip said, was about as effective as stepping on ants. * The big moment of the trip, as in French Guiana years before, was a * mass bee attack deliberately provoked for the benefit of a visiting * film crew (this time from a PBS science show). Once again, however, * this was not the big moment for me. "Tell me again why you do this," I asked Chip. "It gives intense sexual pleasure," he shouted back, as the nearly two million bees of the apiary tried to kill him -- and me. "It's a secret. We don't tell anybody." Ho ho ho. I'd had enough. Enough was enough. 1995 by Buzz Inc. -- All rights reserved -----------Read the full text-----much left out-------------------- Yes, he has had enough....when will we admit the same? If I myself had not been lucky enough to meet one on one with many of the participants of the "killer bee hype", the same people Mr. Zuckerman writes about I would not be the cynic I am today when it comes to American Bee Science (bs).. So many people have been taken in by the false prophets of doom, including some very responsible government regulators, you can be sure that the USDA will never admit they were wrong, same as they have not admitted that they also were taken in on controlling any other bee problems by quarantines and search and destroy mission that ruined the lives of several innocent beekeepers and cost the bee industry and tax payers millions of dollars. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. >From beeman@netcom.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:05 EDT 1996 Article: 3979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom. com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) Subject: Re: Yugoslavian bees? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> <4 jvvp0$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> <3164127F.50FE@umich.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:30:49 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: beeman@netcom11.netcom.com Theodore V. Fischer (tvf@umich.edu) wrote: : David J Trickett wrote: : > : > demetrius (beeman@netcom.com) wrote: : > : A few years ago I was secretly given a yugo-queen as a blind test, a fri end : > : of mine knew that I had lost a queen and that I would put it in a large w all : > : hive in my house : Also of : > : interest was the amount of dead mites on the bottom of the hive. : Beeman, : > : > were these tracheal or varroa mites? : > : > dave t. : If one could see them, they were varroa mites. Yes, The visible mites were varroa and my informal experiment was NOT to treat them in any way. She died (the queen)the next season and it was assumed by tracheal mites (the specimen was too dried for me to tell). That colony replaced the queen during january but finally collapsed the next season. I'll probably build a new wall hive and try it again next season,but I'll treat it with just grease patties this time. --beeman >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:05 EDT 1996 Article: 3980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marketing Your Honey Crop Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604050738421669@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 96 *FYI* Posted in the B-List. ---------------------------------------- KJ>From: Kirk Jones >Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:27:59 -0500 >Subject: Re: Marketing Your Honey Crop KJ>Giving the fact that the proceeds from marketing our honey provide us with >the funds to continue beekeeping, I am interested in the very volatile >market we are selling in. Hi Kirk, The reports of "sales" coming to this office do not indicated a volatile market, but do show a rising world market due to the demand for honey exceeding the world supply. At the same time world disposable income is increasing production of honey is decreasing. This was apparent to most by mid season 1995 in the USA. The price asked and paid for off shore honey has been increasing since last fall when it was realized that off shore production from several major areas of the world had not come up to expectations including the US production. It is expected that until the 1996 crop size is known that the honey price will continue to increase and then level off, hopefully above the $1.00 range. Maybe between 1.10 to 1.25, with off shore supplies just below $1.00 fob port duty paid. KJ>We just got offered .95 a lb. and I have reports of better that a >$1.00/lb.paid on loads. Just three weeks ago we sold a load at .85/lb. I know one Texas producer who sold two loads of this years honey last fall at $.70, he is delivering a clean up load this week of last years honey at $1.10 and will still deliver the two loads later on this year of 1996 production at $.70, he is a happy camper. New crop Orange Honey is moving at over $1.00 per pound. Reports are that the Florida Orange Honey crop is spotty. Old crop from various areas of the US as of this week has reached new all time highs to beekeepers at $1.10. Off shore and SA prices are quoted as high as $.97 cents. KJ>Our biggest problem is trying to get the price up in the supermarkets. If >we priced our honey in the stores based on .95/lb. honey, we would be far >above the rest of the pack. It's tempting to sell off all our stocks at the >wholesale rate and quit packing. I have found that packing honey is not >very profitable. Price increases are always a problem for all honey packers regardless of size. Historically they have been easier to pass on to the producer. One large US domestic honey packer was forced to turn to SA (Argentina) with purchases of 4+ million pounds earlier this winter over their normal purchases of 100% domestic honey. The large co-op packer in the US expects (hopes) to return $0.80 cents to their members for the 1985 crop. KJ>What effects are the increasing honey prices going to have on consumer and >industrial users? It would be good to see some stability. Major packers have already increased their wholesale prices and the shelf prices are two dollars or more per pound reflecting today's price in many areas. What the future foretells is anyone's guess. For the 1996-97 honey marketing season in the US it is up to the producers at what price they need to bee happy. The US beekeeping industry has always been different then any other commodity group. "We have always been able to resist prosperity." It has always amazed me in talking with beekeepers during periods of increasing prices that you will find many producers complaining about prices being too high. These are normally those who have sold earlier on a upward moving market. I am sure the average price paid for the 1995 crop will exceed the price the majority of beekeepers sold at during 1995. For the first time in the history of honey production in the US the early market for honey is at one dollar or more per pound. This is still way below parity using any of the formulas. Price the replacement cost of your existing trucks and equipment over ten or twenty years. My advise to most beekeeper packers: SELL high now.. Blame it on the Vampire Mites, or Bee PMS USA, or honey producers with MAD COW symptoms, but sell. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. (C)Happy Easter! (U)Happy Passover! (UK)Beef Producers, tough luck! --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where the bee sucks, there suck I; >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sun Apr 7 09:13:06 EDT 1996 Article: 3981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-sta te.edu!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1217.cit.corne ll.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What happens if a neighbor gets stung? Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 12:51:00 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 14 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <4k22ni$jn9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1217.cit.cornell.edu Lock your doors, turn out the lights, and hide. There are so many species of stinging insects which live in and around homes. If anyone gets "bit" by any one of them, it is presumed to be your fault because you have bees. (If you are accused just ask them to show you the actual insect that did the deed.) Tell them all your bees are labeled with wing tags. I guess you'd just have to be pleasant about it, express your concern, and inform them of how best to avoid and treat stings from any insect. Sure, if there was a sting left in the wound it was doubtless a honey bee, but whose? As Roger Morse has often said, they can ban bees all they want, but as long as you have flowering plants they're going to be there anyway, so there's not much point. >From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Sun Apr 7 09:13:06 EDT 1996 Article: 3982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland. reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!news.sri.ucl.ac.be!news.belne t.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!swidir.switch.ch!missile.iprolink.ch!portzh31.iprolink.ch !user From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Three questions about natural V-mite control? Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 22:47:18 +0100 Organization: ETH Zurich (Switzerland) Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4k0o38$p22@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: portzh31.iprolink.ch In article <4k0o38$p22@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: >I am in need of a natural type of control because of the way seasons and >honey flows run in my mountain desert climate. Victor, Read the March issue of the "American Bee Journal". It has a good article about alternative Varroa control in it. I do exactly what is explained there and had much success with it. Good luck and few Varroas! Hans -- ____________________________________________________ Hans-Ulrich THOMAS. Beekeeper & collector of books about: - bees and beekeeping - ants (yes these small little buggers!) - nature printing e-mail: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch CompuServe: 100045,2556 Fax: +41 1 633 10 77 ____________________________________________________ >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Apr 7 09:13:07 EDT 1996 Article: 3983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.ed u!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thanks/Old Messages/Downloading Newsgroup . . . Date: 7 Apr 1996 01:35:07 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4k764b$2qj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4k46uc$8lh@tribune.concentric.net> <4k4q4o$t01@newsbf02.news.aol.c om> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4k4q4o$t01@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, somebody (sorry lost your name) wrote: >> Is there a way to download >>newsgroup messages? I'm using Netscape Navigator and Eudora Light and >>don't seem to be given downloading newsgroup messages as an option. I >>hate burning up on-line time and hate missing messages. > Hello. sunsite.unc.edu and the apicultural archive there _used_ to archive all this newsgroup's posts. I don't think this is still happening, but I'll try to re-archive all of the traffic here to a spot there as soon as I can. ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping for the bee archive. (look for the directory sci.agriculture.beekeeping) http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html (for a mirrored beekeeping home page) If you want to upload something of merit to the bee archive, just put it into the beekeeping/Incoming directory and drop me a note. Adam adamf@sunsite.unc.edu or -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:07 EDT 1996 Article: 3984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news. sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Worst Winter I can Recall in Recent Years Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604061752431680@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 84 *Canadian first sign's of spring and wintering report from the B-List* ---------------------------------------- From: Allen Dick Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 07:53:39 -0600 Subject: The Worst Winter I can Recall in Recent Years Organization: The Beekeepers Thanks, Dave for your report from SC, USA. Up here in the Great White North, Alberta, Canada to be specific, we are seeing signs of spring -- finally. Although we still have snow here, we are seeing it go fast. Last night was the first night above freezing I can recall lately, and there are puddles in the yard. Our pond is full to overflowing, and the runoff hasn't yet finished. Usually it is over March 17th! Winter set in early, and we have had more snow this past winter than we've had for the last twenty or so. Snowmobile dealers can't wipe the grin off their collective face -- after ten or more years of tough sledding. The worst thing is that we had very few warm breaks duing the winter, and the bees had to really work to get onto new stores. Many winters, the bees have cleaned their bottom boards in December or Jan. Not this year. Losses in Alberta are reported as varying from 10% to 100%, with the most typical and believable ones being in the 15% to 60% range. Indooor losses seem to be about the same as outdoor, but with no reports over 40% that I've heard. Outdoor colonies have used a great deal of feed in comparison by most reports. Of course, all the losses are not known until May, because colonies surviving now may still decline. In our own operation, we have some yards around 10% and some at 50%+, so we will likely be around 35% when the dust settles. This is double the norm for us. Due to the higher prices for honey, and in some cases, high losses, larger than usual numbers of package bees & queens will be coming in >from both Australia and New Zealand. The Canada/US border is still closed to importation, and although the situation is being evaluated regularly, it appears that it will be for some years to come. As a result Canadian beekeepers are paying double what US buyers are for bees -- but then again the bees they are buying are totally mite free, allowing for operations to maintain -- or regain -- mite free status. The down side is that most commercial producers here say that the NZ and to a lesser extent Aus bees do not winter as well as the US stock did when we were last able to obtain it in the 80's. This closed Canadian border has taken pressure off the US package market at a time when mites have reduced the supply. Imagine if Canadians demande 50 - 100,000 additional packages from the US. In recent years, the US package industry has had trouble supplying the US market in a timely fashion, so I can project that prices to US buyers would double. Even at hugely inflated prices, both Canadians and US honey producers would have trouble finding enough bees before May from US producers alone. At any rate, we are hoping for decent spring weather. After the cool , unsettled summer last year, and the cold, unrelenting winter, we are not all that optimistic. The conditions reported by Dave seem to indicate that unusual coolnes is general, but the conditions can vary a lot over a continent. That's the story from here. How are things in the central and western US? Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK RR#1, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Internet:dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net Honey. Bees, & Art --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:07 EDT 1996 Article: 3985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping information services Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604061752431681@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4k46uc$8lh@tribune.concentric.net> Lines: 59 JT>From: John Taylor >Subject: Thanks/Old Messages/Downloading Newsgroup . . . JT>Is there some way of reading old messages? Due to my work schedule, >I am sometimes on infrequently, and I probably miss messages. Hello John, I believe that there is a site that has the messages archive'd, but can't tell you how to find it. I hope someone else will let you know. I have a problem with my own internet provider as all the messages do not get here, and I also have a problem finding my own messages at some of the internet connections to this news group. But I know that most of them are getting out as I do get replies and sometime's find them by accident. JT>I hope this isn't TOO far off topic . . . if it is, I'm sure I'll here >about it from at least one person. Is there a way to download >newsgroup messages? I'm using Netscape Navigator and Eudora Light and >don't seem to be given downloading newsgroup messages as an option. I >hate burning up on-line time and hate missing messages. I don't use netscape and download this and other news groups with a dos UUCP program and into the message base of my own bbs, Wild Bees's BBS in Los Banos, CA., that anyone can dial up at 209-826-8107. I have the last 1700 post's from this news group, and 2950 from the B-List. I also have several years posts from the B-List that can be downloaded >from the Beekeeping File area, plus hundreds of files of interest to beekeepers that can also be downloaded. A total of 30,000 of the newest shareware files and 30,000+ messages from a select group of internet news groups and the Wild Net. There is no cost to Beekeepers or their friends other then the cost of the phone call. Wild Bee's BBs is a private beekeeping industry information service provided by beekeepers for beekeepers and is not affiliated with any government agency and is supported by beekeepers for beekeepers. Support comes from donation's and subscribing members who pay $20 per quarter. Beekeepers are not asked to support to gain access and are full members and can use all bbs system's on their first call. It takes about 3 min for new users to answer the standard bbs questioner to assure some security for all users. All beekeepers are welcome and we try to provide bbs help for new bbs users. Wild Bee's BBS runs on a stand alone 486-66 with 20 megs of memory using the dos version of the Wild Cat BBs program and uses DESQview supporting two 28.8 modems with a dial up uucp connection to the internet. And provides automated Beekeeping FAQ service via e-mail to beekeepers. The first 3 months of 1996 over 1,500 request were filled to interested beekeepers all over the world. Information about beekeeping provided by Wild Bee's can be found on many web sites thank's to other's who are interested in beekeeping and beekeepers. ttul Andy- sysop@beenet.com --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Life is not all lovely thorns and singing vultures >From beeman@netcom.com Sun Apr 7 09:13:08 EDT 1996 Article: 3986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom. com!netcom.com!beeman From: beeman@netcom.com (demetrius) Subject: Re: Anyone into Yellow jackets? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <31614300.DA0@umich.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:05:05 GMT Lines: 35 Sender: beeman@netcom10.netcom.com Theodore V. Fischer (tvf@umich.edu) wrote: : demetrius wrote: : > : > I am a beekeeper who keeps more than bees, I also keep Yellow jackets, : > : Goodness, why would anyone want to "keep" yellow jackets? For most of : the year, they and I stay out of each other's way. However when it's : extracting time I can easily keep honeybees out of my honey house, but : those damn yellow jackets frustrate my every attempt at an insect free : Not to be too negative, however, I enjoy having the nests of the bald : faced hornets around. I used to watch them in the horse stable : sitting in wait for stable flies, making a dash for one, then : returning to their perch to munch away. Actually I keep yellow jackets because I can. I do informal experiments and observations. Yellow jackets are very misunderstood, most people see them as nothing more than pests but if you look at them in a different light they might start to appear as trouble shooters in a bio management system. Take for example Mr.Fischer's above response, if they can get in the honey house so can other things (roaches,flies,ect..)like in slaughter houses they might complain:"those ____ yellow jackets!" but if they're getting in it might be an indication that large open areas should be screened in to protect food processing areas and equipment from: flies, roaches and diseases they may carry. a lot of beekeepers complain that they kill bees and in some cases they do, but more often if you watch closely they are scavenging the dead bees (and dying, or kicked out drones) from the front of the hive. this is actually doing the bees a favor by removing a food source that would help to attract other predators. If you watch trees when they are heavily infested (with yellow jackets) you'll see that they are feeding on things that do more damage than good:caterpillars,mothes, small beetles and larve,ect.. they also pollinate (though not as well as bees) I keep them right next to my bees with no problems, I keep them because I like them. thanks for the responses! ---beeman (San Mateo Co.CA) >From wdecker@.crosslink.net Sun Apr 7 09:13:08 EDT 1996 Article: 3987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nntp. crosslink.net!zeus.crosslink.net!usenet From: wdecker@.crosslink.net (Walker Decker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Losses Due to Mites? Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 05:35:34 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <31672db5.7681426@news.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn01.colonial-beach.va.us.crosslink.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/16.182 I lost ALL my colonies this winter. "All" is only 3, however I've been keeping bees for 30 years and this is the first loss I've experienced. A neighbor, whose hive I maintain, lost that colony as well. My location is on the Northern Neck of Virginia, next to the Potomac River. I had hoped that by using only colony division and occasional requeening (I even removed the "attendant" bees from the queen cage, before introduction) that I could prevent varroa, tracheal mites, or other pests from getting into my hives. But I guess my luck ran out. Something took out all the hives. I suspect mites, since there was only a small cluster of dead bees left on the comb and not an unusually large amount of bodies on the bottom board. That would suggest a gradual dwindling before the population dropped below the sustainable level. I did lose one hive in August, while I was away on vacation. I suspected that the hive had swarmed and was left with a poor queen, but now I'm not so sure. That might have been the first of this series. I'm new to the Internet. We just got service to our area February, 15. I've been following the articles posted here and have noted a few concerning hive losses. But the newsgroup isn't getting "swarmed" with queries about dead colonies, so I guess this isn't a widespread epedemic. Still, it concerns me that hives that have been in the same location for many years with no treatment for mites should all die out at once. Is it mites, or something else? Are regions of the country relatively mite-free, then infested with such a large population of pests that all bees, feral and hived, are loss? In which case, wouldn't the "parasite" die out as well...at least for another long period of time? I would appreciate any comments/advice about the above, or word from other beekeepers in the Mid-Eastern states about heavy bee losses this winter. Thanks, Walker Decker Kinsale, Virginia >From 104447.1413@compuserve.com Sun May 5 13:43:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve. com!newsmaster From: <104447.1413@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Using Terramycin Date: 21 Apr 1996 06:14:47 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4lcjon$7a8@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd40-228.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: Foulbrood, Terramycin Content-length: 314 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Terramycin can be very effectice and safe in treating American Foulbrood. Use it early in the spring when the bees are starting to forage for food source s. Also, late in the fall after surplus honey has been removed, it can be used aga in. Using it at these times helps to avoid any contamination of the honey. >From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun May 5 13:43:48 EDT 1996 Article: 4139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!uunet .ca!news.uunet.ca!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lost Bees Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 04:28:18 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4lcdgq$3jp@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <4kmrp7$kfu@hg.oro.net> <4l0ll1$r9f@news.tcd.net> <3176DF2F.12A1@sv i.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <3176DF2F.12A1@svi.org>, Nate Saal wrote: >I recently moved a hive as well and had no major problems. The move was >about a 1/4 mile. There was no way to move the hive three feet at a >time and more than 3 miles would have been very difficult. If bees are working a flow or flying a lot hunting, then moving less than a couple of miles may result in returning bees. However in winter, rainy periods that extend more than a day or two, or other periods where bees are confined to the hive, shorter moves *may* not cause problems. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun May 5 13:43:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: What happens if a neighbor gets stung? Date: 17 Apr 1996 04:08:37 GMT Message-ID: <618987486.1071862@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 37 In the ABC&XYZ of Bee Culture (35th Edition) The author of the section on LAWS (Judge Leslie Burr) writes: In liability cases against beekeepers for stings. In every one of such cases, so far as known to the writer, such cases have been decided in favor of the beekeeper, for the reason that the complaining witness was unable to prove that the sting received resulted from a bee, the property of or under control of the beekeeper made defendant. Then goes on to site 9 cases that deal various aspects. For example Arkadelphia vs. Clark In a city ordinance banning bees in town, went to Supreme Court: decision Neither the keeping, owning, or raising of bees is, in itself, a nuisance. Bees may become a nuisance in a city, but whether they are so or not is a question to be judicially determined in each case. The town ordinance was struck down. Case at Holmesburg, PA Attempt to restrain Joseph Rexer from keeping bees on his property. Neighbours claimed "that Rexer's bees stung the Allmans, their employees, their guests, their wash and hot house flowers" The judge held that bees were not vicious by nature; that they were not a nuisance because they were bees; that there were other bees in the vicinity as well as those of Rexer's and that no proof had been advanced that Rexer bees were the offending ones. The judge not only dismissed the suit but ordered them to pay the cost and in addition praised the bees for their industry in Southern Micigan a case came where a man had 11 hives in his back yard. Judge wrote that since he had had the bees 26 years with only 1 complaint they were not a nuisance. Case dismissed. Evan....It pays to read those reference texts we all should have on hand! >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun May 5 13:43:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news. iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Beehives and New N Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:03:04 GMT Organization: Guest user Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4ld76q$5p3@airnews.iadfw.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-11.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 stuart@choice.southern.co.nz wrote: >This might seem a bit insenistive but it seems to me that you had better >consider untilising the increased value of your property(due to >closeness of town or whatever) cash up and move further out Hummm....I kinda had the same reaction to the Tulsa, Oklohoma posting as you express here. Looks like to me, if you live in Tulsa and the city council doesn't vote your way then your options are fairly limited. I presume there isn't any mass out pouring of support for beekeepers and that it's unlikely to materalize. So, given the fact there won't be a 'recall' election; you can either: 1) stop keeping bees there or 2) vote with your feet. BusyKnight Allen, TX (Where beekeepers got active quiet some time ago and got a city ordanance passed that provided for allowing beekeeping). P. S. -- (& back to the original posting): 100 fruit trees, a pond, a "large" garden, and a house ......all on ONE acre??? That is one helluva crowded acre! :-) >From mfclark@ozemail.com.au Sun May 5 13:43:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!in ferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!OzEmail!usenet From: mfclark@ozemail.com.au (Michael Clark) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newcomer needs help Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:09:42 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4ldc9u$4pj@oznet03.ozemail.com.au> References: <316CDBB7.356C@metvax.metro.msus.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slsyd3p34.ozemail.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Pat Rummenie wrote: >I am a naturalist at a nature center where a volunteer took care of an >inside hive with viewing windows and outside access for our bees. our >volunteer disappeared and I tried to take over. The hive is old, has >mildew on it, bees died midwinter in 94 and had diarrhea. last year I >cleaned hive, read what I could find and ordered more bees. The queen was >laying eggs and then she died and so of course, so did the rest over the >summer. I am going to a bee supply place and getting new frames and bees >and I do NOT want to kill them off. I was told I need to get a new hive >as I cleaned it with soap and a mild (very) solution of bleach to kill >the mildew. I thought bleach evaporated. I was told I did a VERY bad >thing -and if I did and all you experts hate me, please forgive me -I was >trying to do the right thing. having 2 part time jobs, I have not been >able to learn as much as I should have before I took on the >responsibility of these critters. i will read your posts to learn more >and would like to know if I REALLY have to replace the hive -or just the >frames. Pat >-- >I am one with my duality It is difficult to tell what is wrong with the bees but at least I can give you a few things to look for / do: The bee larvae, before they are capped, should be a pearly white colour. If they aren't then they could be diseased. Bees can be effected by bacterial, viral and fungal diseases. If the bees seem diseased then either post a description on this newsgroup ( and someone may be able to help) or contact your local government department who looks after bees. A strong hive should have cleaned up the mildew themselves (ie if they were in the hive at the time, you didn't say) but to help them along you usually tip the hive slightly forwards so that any condensation and rain runs out of the hive. To convert nectar to honey the bees have to evaporate a fair amount of water. The brood needs to be kept fairly warm at about 38 degrees Celsius and possibly your observation hive may be losing to much heat. The adult bees will shiver to generate heat to keep the larvea alive but this will use a lot of their food stores up. Bees need food stores to last the winter. This includes both honey and pollen(protein source) and so depending on their stores you may have to feed them. Your local store should be able to sell you a feeder and a recipe. Concerning the Chlorine. I don't know the answer. Yes it does break down in sunlight so I would have thought it would have been ok as long as you left them out for a few days. If I find any further info I will let you know Hope this helps. Good luck Michael >From moroney@world.std.com Sun May 5 13:43:49 EDT 1996 Article: 4143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Two Queens Overwintered Together Message-ID: <82bexkOJGziN084yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <4lbqif$rh0@airnews.iadfw.net> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 04:46:52 GMT Lines: 12 I've read in one of the beekeeping books (don't remember which one) that it is does sometimes happen that a mother and daughter queen live together for a while. It even mentioned one case where 3 generations were found, grandma, mother and daughter queens. Still interesting to hear of it happening, and I wonder why the usual instinct of queens to try and eliminate each other didn't kick in. Also wonder if the shrunken state of the old queen was just her failing or if pheromes from the stronger queen weakened her further (same thing that keeps ordinary workers >from becoming laying workers) -Mike >From bcdickens@aol.com Sun May 5 13:43:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ud el!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans. net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mold in Feeders Date: 21 Apr 1996 21:57:11 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4lep1n$2dv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader While refilling my feeders today I noticed a film suspended in the sugar water. Do you think that it might be mold ? The sugar water in the feeders is three weeks old. How concerned should I be with mold ? Thank you for your help. ------------------ "If you leave the smallest corner of your head vacant for a moment, other people's opinions will rush in from all quarters." George Bernard Shaw Boyd C Dickens BCDickens@aol.com >From johntrn1@cris.com Sun May 5 13:43:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.interne tmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.cwi.net!news.igateway .net!news From: johntrn1@cris.com (John Taylor) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SILENT SPRIING? Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 01:36:15 GMT Organization: Internet Gateway Inc. - Missouri USA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4lequ6$c8b@news.igateway.net> References: <9604200706031762@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cape-ppp225.igateway.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: >*FYI* More spring reports of few bees & few wild bees...from the BEE-L > ---------------------------------------- >From: Ted Fischer >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:20:47 -0400 >Subject: Spring bee scarcity > REGARDING Spring bee scarcity Beeing a new beekeeper, I can't say I've always paid close attention to bees in the past, however, I somewhat keyed to them now. I've noticed few honey bees and LOTS of big fat bumble bees. Seems like more than I've seen in past years. John Taylor Southeast Missouri http://www.cris.com/~Johntrn1/index.shtml >From warsing@aol.com Sun May 5 13:43:50 EDT 1996 Article: 4146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf0 1.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: warsing@aol.com (WARSING) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: black bee Date: 22 Apr 1996 11:17:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4lg7ui$f5g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader yesterday i was in the woods by my hives looking to see if my bees were collecting from the wild flowers in the woods....what i saw was many black bees on flowers..these bees are the same size as my honey bees but are satin black with some light yellow hair...colors of a bumble bee but the body shape is of a honey bee...does anyone have an idea as to what these bees are? i live in maryland if thats any help..... >From akia@ix.netcom.com Sun May 5 13:43:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix .netcom.com!news From: akia@ix.netcom.com(_) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural Subject: where NOT to buy bees Date: 22 Apr 1996 02:50:51 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4les6b$hh2@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <3172C8B3.4523@lynx.neu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-mem-tn1-14.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Apr 21 9:50:51 PM CDT 1996 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4147 sci.agriculture:10756 mi sc.rural:27502 In <3172C8B3.4523@lynx.neu.edu> Ben Syversen writes: > >I am thinking about starting a hive or two of bees. I have read a lot >about it, and I know what kind of equipment is needed. I have a few >questions, though. Does anybody know what the best type of bee >supplyer/type is Hi, I can tell you DON'T BUY BEES FROM BLUE RIDGE APIARIES, THEY DON'T DELIVER. my horror story with blue ridge started last year. they kept changing the ship dates and finally just quit answering the pphone. then a few months later they sent out letters claiming to have been flooded...but promised to send out those of us who missed shippments FIRST this year. I was scheduled for shipment April 3 and confirmed a week before. I verified address on file. by April 8th no bees...called Blue Ridge and was told they were 10 days behind. April 13th came and went...called back again...they Claimed to have left a message (I have an answering machine, no message) that they were going to ship April 24th (now well over a year late).... I told them that was not acceptable to send me my money (the year before they just didn't answer the phone). they promised to send it that day. now a week later No Money and No Bees. DON'T ORDER BEES FROM BLUE RIDGE APIARIES. >From smolyakov@skyfox.usask.ca Sun May 5 13:43:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.c a!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!skyfox.usask.ca!smolyakov From: smolyakov@skyfox.usask.ca (Andrew Smolyakov) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged Bees Request Date: 22 APR 96 18:15:44 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 7 Message-ID: <22APR96.18154434@skyfox.usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca I am seeking an advise on getting packaged bees via mail in Western Canada (Saskatchewan). I am newcomer here. Can I get them from U.S.A? Can anyone recommend few addresses. Is it really too late now? (I read few articles in this newsgroup) Thank you. Andrei Smolyakov >From beehive@win.bright.net Sun May 5 13:43:51 EDT 1996 Article: 4149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq .edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!u del!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.bright .net!news.win.bright.net!news From: Beehive Botanicals Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PROPOLIS WANTED Date: 22 Apr 1996 19:51:10 GMT Organization: Beehive Botanicals Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4lgnve$vf@bucky.win.bright.net> References: <9604200706041763@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hay-cs-1.win.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; U; 16bit) I write to the newsgroup today to encourage all beekeepers to send their hivescrapings/propolis to Beehive Botanicals, Inc. Rt. 8, Box 8257, Hayward, WI. 54843. Call 1800-283-4274 for further information. We have been in the business for over 25 years. Paying $5-6.00 per lb. Thank you. L. Graham >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 5 13:43:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq .edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!u del!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!night.primat e.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: [Q] Getting Started (again) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 11:40:54 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <17771A44AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <4l9ikb$29ei@mule2.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <4l9ikb$29ei@mule2.mindspring.com> dcm@c-sw.com (David C. Matthews) writes: > >Hello, > >Several years ago (late '70s) I kept bees -- a couple of hives. I'm >interested in getting started again, but am not sure if the old >companies, suppliers, methods, etc. still apply. I'm sure bees are >pretty much the same, but not how we manage them. > > >Thanks in advance! >David > Beware! There is danger in the statement "bees are pretty much the same". Before you start up again educate yourself on the mite invasion! Aaron Morris >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sun May 5 13:43:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu !cu-dialup-1109.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black bee Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:32:58 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <4lg7ui$f5g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1109.cit.cornell.edu In article <4lg7ui$f5g@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, warsing@aol.com (WARSING) wrote: > yesterday i was in the woods by my hives looking to see if my bees were > collecting from the wild flowers in the woods....what i saw was many black > bees on flowers..these bees are the same size as my honey bees but are > satin black with some light yellow hair...colors of a bumble bee but the > body shape is of a honey bee...does anyone have an idea as to what these > bees are? i live in maryland if thats any help..... Leafcutter bees is my guess. They are very similar to honey bees in body shape and structure, and collect pollen in much the same way. >From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun May 5 13:43:52 EDT 1996 Article: 4152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex !news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.azstarnet.com!usr7ip37.azstar net.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Map On The Internet Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:15:37 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <31762C7A.1B3@telis.org> <4l5ll5$6pb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr7ip37.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4l5ll5$6pb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) w rites: >From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) >Subject: Re: Bee Map On The Internet >Date: 18 Apr 1996 11:04:05 -0400 >In article <31762C7A.1B3@telis.org>, Mike Vance >writes: >>Subject: Bee Map On The Internet >>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:50:18 -0700 >> >>Allow me to introduce myself. I am Mike Vance, an internet programmer. >> Currently I am working on a project >I'll have to swear out a warrent for their arrest for wilful pesticide >misuse, as they have declared their intention to ignore the label. >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Chill Out, Dave - - we know how frustrating it can be. Don't be afraid of new, untested uses of data techniques. It's called GIS. :-) John E. >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:43:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie .ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-l Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:36:17 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1996Apr22.233617.3118641@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-165-156.pq.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 You may have gotten bumped, resubscribe, it's still going strong. >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:43:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank .news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.n et!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: package bees-requested Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:40:51 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1996Apr22.234051.3392497@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-165-156.pq.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 No you cannot get them from the U.S. Best bet is to check with either the local beekeepers or John Grushka, the Provincial Apicultualist. >From bcdickens@aol.com Sun May 5 13:43:53 EDT 1996 Article: 4155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn. com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Map On The Internet Date: 23 Apr 1996 06:48:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 46 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4licho$ans@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article , edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) writes: >In article <4l5ll5$6pb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) >writes: >>From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) >>Subject: Re: Bee Map On The Internet >>Date: 18 Apr 1996 11:04:05 -0400 > >>In article <31762C7A.1B3@telis.org>, Mike Vance >>writes: > >>>Subject: Bee Map On The Internet >>>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 04:50:18 -0700 >>> >>>Allow me to introduce myself. I am Mike Vance, an internet programmer. >>> Currently I am working on a project > >>I'll have to swear out a warrent for their arrest for wilful pesticide >>misuse, as they have declared their intention to ignore the label. > >>Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green > >Chill Out, Dave - - we know how frustrating it can be. >Don't be afraid of new, untested uses of data techniques. It's called GIS. > > :-) > > John E. > > I for one am glad that we have warriors like Dave Green. We have all sat on the side lines way too long and allowed commercial growers to do as they please and suffered the consequences. So give them hell Dave. The bees and I appreciate your efforts. ------------- "Some say that Silence is Golden but I feel it's another shade of yellow" Boyd C Dickens BCDickens@aol.com >From ricks@mathworks.com Sun May 5 13:43:54 EDT 1996 Article: 4156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!usenet From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoker fuel Date: 23 Apr 1996 16:36:56 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4lj0v8$799@turing.mathworks.com> References: <1996Apr01.184802.4633418@undefined> <4ksgcn$qtg@svc.slc.uen.org> <4ku1q1$524@turing.mathworks.com> <3173D3AD.53A7@umich.edu> <4l40n3$2ro@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: romana.mathworks.com X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.1 In article <4l40n3$2ro@gamera.cbl.cees.edu>, worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) writes: >Theodore V. Fischer (tvf@umich.edu) wrote: >: Rick Spada wrote: >: > >: > I was told by the Norfolk County Beekeeper's Assc. here in MA that wool sm oke was >: > toxic to the bees. I take it that that is not true? >Wool bags/sacks are not made of wool. Sheep producers take their wool to >market in burlap bags. They are supposed to hold about 150# of fleeces. >After a while mice thend to chew holes in them and they need to be >replaced. Hope this clarifies the point. I also raise sheep. Yes, that clarifies the discussion. Thanks to you and others that have pointed out that the sacks were made of burlap. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ >From haver@dartmouth.edu Sun May 5 13:43:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth. edu!NewsWatcher!user From: haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tulsa Outlawing Honeybees Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:43:14 -0500 Organization: Library Service, VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4l7445$7di@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.23 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.2 In article <4l7445$7di@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) wrote: I sat in horror tonight at the Tulsa city council meeting and listened and talked for an hour on the importance of beekeeping and beekeepers to the city of Tulsa, just to have a councilman say his or her district doesn't want honeybees because they bother the mothers and children at their swimming pools. and someone who is alergic might get stung and sue the city. We had several experts talk and answer questions but the councilers had their minds made up before they came in. Next week they vote and Im afraid they are going to vote the beekeepers out of Tulsa. The law was written because of one complaint by the neighbor of one of the councilmen (the bees stung their dog) And all the beekeepers in Tulsa could not change their minds. Stupid isn't it? **** I vote for outlawing dogs! >From tolson22@erinet.com Sun May 5 13:43:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!in-news.erinet.com!dlp4.spring.eri.n et!tolson22 From: tolson22@erinet.com (Jim & Dorothy TOLSON) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best Mag for Hobbyist? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:51:41 EDT Organization: (Retired) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <317894A7.4542@baker.cnw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dlp4.spring.eri.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] In article <317894A7.4542@baker.cnw.com> Sean Overman w rites: >From: Sean Overman >Subject: Re: Best Mag for Hobbyist? >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:39:19 -0700 >William F. Shaw wrote: >> >> What is the best beekeeping magazine for the >> hobbyist? >William- > My personal recomendation is > Bee Culture > The A.I. Root Co. > 623 W. Liberty St. > Medina, OH 44256 > $16.50/Year US > Although American Bee Journal is also a very informative magazine, >they lean more towards the professional, and sometimes tend to shoot >over the head of the hobby beekeeper. >From bergenm@oasys.dt.navy.mil Sun May 5 13:43:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy .mil!not-for-mail From: bergenm@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Bergen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alive Hives 4-Sale Date: 23 Apr 1996 17:39:00 -0400 Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4ljilkINN9bj@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: bergenm@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Michael Bergen) NNTP-Posting-Host: oasys.dt.navy.mil We are beekeepers in the Baltimore 'burbs' that can no longer support enjoy the activity. In keeping peace with the neighbors, we are selling our live hives. All hives made it through the winter and are healthy! They come with two supers (A.I. Root), cypress bottom board and hive stand (Rossman), wire queen excluder (Dadant), one deep super with drawn comb (A.I. Root), telescoping cover (Rossman or Brushy Mtn.) and inner cover (Brushy Mtn.). Equipment is one to five years old and range in price >from $110 to $150. Lower with more bought. Call Mike at 410-850-8960 at home. Will deliver! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:43:55 EDT 1996 Article: 4160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.vbc.net!samba .rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHERE HAVE ALL THE HONEYBEES GONE? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604231702481801@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 78 How many times have you been asked about those "killer" bees? Well in the last year or so that question has been superseded by the new "WHERE HAVE ALL THE HONEYBEES GONE?". For sure when you hear the question most all have at one time or another ran out and checked for numbers of feral hives, or at least gave it some thought. Just a minute,..What are we comparing these numbers to? Feral hives have been in decline for years, and many years before any beekeepers in the US had any concerns for any bee mites, big or small. The biggest change I have seen in my own bee yards the last 40 years is the reduction in swarming and this would certainty mean a reduction in re-stocking of feral hive sites. Maybe this is because of more hives in the area and less prime time for the bees to work the short blooming cycles we have here in central California, or it could bee we are better beekeepers and are able to prevent swaRming because of changing stock or improved beekeeping methods. Who knows, I sure don't and I guess if we have a choice I would better see the press of the masses touting the disappearance of feral honey bees then harping on the "killer" bees. But it's only a matter of time until someone blows the horn and connects the available of empty feral honey bee sites to an open invitation for the so called "killer" bees which are supposed to be a feral bee, if you want to believe the BS. (bee science) ttul OLd Drone PS: Here is a page off of California's "SUNSET" Magazine internet site from a 1995 article I believe or at least 1995 information. _________________________________________________________________ WHERE HAVE ALL THE HONEYBEES GONE? If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the Napa Valley, or the Monterey Bay area, your garden is one of the fortunate ones: it's probably still being visited by plenty of honeybees pollinating your crops and fruit trees. But it may not be for long. Up and down California, honeybees are being killed by the varroa mite. This 1/25-inch-long pest, which looks like a tiny crab, feeds primarily on developing honeybee larvae called brood, thus depleting a colony's work force. Honey production declines and the colony dies. When healthy honeybees raid weakened nests for honey, they pick up the mites and spread them to stronger colonies. The honeybee population in the San Francisco Bay Area and nearby counties is mostly feral, or wild. The mites have reduced colonies of these feral bees by only about 16 percent, according to a survey by UC Davis entomologist Robert Page. But in counties where beekeeping is substantial, around Sacramento, Los Angeles, and Riverside, feral colonies have almost disappeared. Page says the decline in Northern California will only get worse. One way gardeners can help maintain the feral honeybee population is by not spraying pesticides on bee-pollinated plants, such as melons, squash, and fruit trees, when there is a danger of killing bees. If you have to use insecticides like carbaryl (Sevin) that kill honeybees, spray in the evening when the bees aren't active. If you're a hobbyist beekeeper, you can treat colonies with a miticide containing fluvalinate (called Apistan), available from beekeeping supply companies. By Lauren Bonar Swezey Copyright Sunset Publishing Corporation. All rights reserved. --------------------------------------------------------- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (WARNING) Use of "Sunset" archives without permission at own risk. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ "Be Careful what you ask for, you may just get it!" >From mchamber@plains.nodak.edu Sun May 5 13:43:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news feed.internetmci.com!netnews10.nwnet.net!netnews2.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plai ns!mchamber From: mchamber@plains.nodak.edu (Matt R Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoker fuel Date: 24 Apr 1996 03:37:47 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4lk7mb$nee@daily-planet.nodak.edu> References: <1996Apr01.184802.4633418@undefined> <4lj0v8$799@turing.mathworks.c om> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dried corn cob cores soaked in oil work pretty well Rick Spada (ricks@mathworks.com) wrote: : In article <4l40n3$2ro@gamera.cbl.cees.edu>, : worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) writes: : >Theodore V. Fischer (tvf@umich.edu) wrote: : >: Rick Spada wrote: : >: > : >: > I was told by the Norfolk County Beekeeper's Assc. here in MA that wool smoke was : >: > toxic to the bees. I take it that that is not true? : >Wool bags/sacks are not made of wool. Sheep producers take their wool to : >market in burlap bags. They are supposed to hold about 150# of fleeces. : >After a while mice thend to chew holes in them and they need to be : >replaced. Hope this clarifies the point. I also raise sheep. : Yes, that clarifies the discussion. Thanks to you and others that have point ed : out that the sacks were made of burlap. : -- Rick : __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ : The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com : 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com : Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com : __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ -- >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:43:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!ne wsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis wanted Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:42:38 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1996Apr22.234238.3500095@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-165-178.pq.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Hope that price is going to rise, as it's really not high enough to warrant collecting, we used to have a buyer in Europe that payed alot more. >From mchamber@plains.nodak.edu Sun May 5 13:43:56 EDT 1996 Article: 4163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews2.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains!mchamb er From: mchamber@plains.nodak.edu (Matt R Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Work Available in ND/TX Date: 24 Apr 1996 03:45:11 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4lk847$nee@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] If there is anyone interested in full time or part time work in honey production (Robson Honey Co.) in North Dakota(summer) and Texas(winter), or if you can refer anyone who might be interested in such work, contact me. Summer jobs available Housing available Any questions? feel free to ask. Matt Chambers (mchamber@plains.nodak.edu) -- >From mickf@lure.latrobe.edu.au Sun May 5 13:43:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lugb.latrobe.edu. au!newsmgr From: Kath Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INFO NEEDED ABOUT VARROA MITE! Date: 24 Apr 1996 05:37:56 GMT Organization: La Trobe University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: micro_lc.micro.latrobe.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi there, does anyone have the latest on the situation in the USA concerning the varroa mite's impact on beekeeping there? Has any effective means of combatance been found? Can somebody please help me. Thanks heaps Kath >From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 5 13:43:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf0 1.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: smoker fuel Date: 24 Apr 1996 02:37:06 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 30 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4lki6i$8f8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4lj0v8$799@turing.mathworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4lj0v8$799@turing.mathworks.com>, ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) writes: >>Wool bags/sacks are not made of wool. Sheep producers take their wool to >>market in burlap bags. They are supposed to hold about 150# of fleeces. >>After a while mice thend to chew holes in them and they need to be >>replaced. Hope this clarifies the point. I also raise sheep. > >Yes, that clarifies the discussion. Thanks to you and others that have >pointed >out that the sacks were made of burlap. In tobacco growing areas, tobacco is sold on sheets of burlap. The warehouses sometimes have old, torn sheets available, especially if the help is "primed" with some honey. Makes a nice smelling fuel, with slow fire and cool smoke. I use a lot of pine straw, but it is easy to get too hot and it burns too fast for ideal. Baling twine is slow and cooler, but stinks to high heaven, and the smokey smell doesn't wash off your hands either. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From ajdel@interramp.com Sun May 5 13:43:57 EDT 1996 Article: 4166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip52.washingto n3.dc.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT VARROA MITE! Date: 24 Apr 1996 12:04:13 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ll5bt$k2m@usenet4.interramp.com> References: <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip52.washington3.dc.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:13:08 GMT In article <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> Kath, mickf@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes: >Hi there, > does anyone have the latest on the situation in the USA >concerning the varroa mite's impact on beekeeping there? A disaster. >Has any >effective means of combatance been found? > Fluvalinate, sold in the US under the trade name "Apistan", does the job but is expensive and, if you believe all the warning material that comes with the product, rather dangerous. Honey from a hive treated with Apistan must not be consumed, etc. Lest that last sentence be confusing, honey that is in the hive when the Apistan strips (it comes on a plastic strip about 8 cm wide and 25 cm long) are placed in it must not be taken. Honey collected after the strips have been removed is OK. AJ ajdel@interramp.com >From OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA Sun May 5 13:43:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.um anitoba.ca!net09.coned.umanitoba.ca!OTTO From: OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA (Warren Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: whole sale wax supplier Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:16:09 GMT Organization: Continuing Education, University of Manitoba Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: net09.coned.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am wondering if anyone in the group knows of whole sale suppliers for wax and candle making equipment. Would prefer a Canadian source but not necessary. Thanx Warren Otto w_otto@umanitoba.ca >From richardh@legend.co.uk Sun May 5 13:43:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!news.netkonect.n et!katana.legend.co.uk!news From: Richard Handford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: B-list Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:06:39 -0700 Organization: legend internet, Bradford, UK Lines: 20 Message-ID: <317CF1FF.7BF7@legend.co.uk> References: <4kfcoh$i28@miwok.nbn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage5.legend.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) Jeffrey R.Tooker wrote: > > I have been looking for info on the list server for bee people, I > think it is called B-list. Need info. and address to subscribe. > > Thank You > > Jeffrey TookerThere is a BEE list server, send an email with nothing in the s ubject and in the body type. HELP and send it to listserv@cnsibm.albany.edu The server will reply with a help message, and from that you should be able to work it out. Any more problems then shout Richard Handford >From hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU Sun May 5 13:43:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!hareb From: hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mehdi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Exotic honey. Date: 24 Apr 96 14:13:36 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) I am pondering starting a business of importing and distributing exotic honey of flavors never found in the US. I have to find the tree names and translate them and post again. This honey I have samples of is wild (collected from the wild as opppesed to farmed). My question is : any one knows the prospects for such an endevour? Saeed. -- ----------------______________--------------------________________ _=asd0g jf kdfjg 9f-f\\ ukjfghsfg 0==0gh - Mahdiyy ------ Sleep never increases age <> Nor does lack of it decreases age .... >From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sun May 5 13:43:58 EDT 1996 Article: 4170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howl and.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brigh ton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Jim Moore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q: Wave cloth, does it work? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:32:45 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 28 Message-ID: <317E3B8D.7566@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cat.ogo.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) CC: Jim Moore In a book I read recently "Mastering the Art of Beekeeping" by Ormond Aebi (1976) mentioned using a pole in the bee yard with a cloth or two hanging from it as a calming influence on bees. The idea being that the bees get use to having motion around the hive so are less likely to defend when someone walks by. _______________ " " | " " XXXXXX | XXXXXX XXXXXX | XXXXXX XXXXXX | XXXXXX XXXXXX | XXXXXX XXXXXX | XXXXXX | | | | | | Illus. above a pole with two towels that would move in the wind. Does this really work? Anyone ever try it on a cranky hive? >From cmcguire@cnmnet.com Sun May 5 13:43:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!consolidated.ccinet.net!lpm1s12.cnmnet.com!user From: cmcguire@cnmnet.com (Charla McGuire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packaged Bees Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:05:51 -0500 Organization: Consolidated Communications Incorporated Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <4l9d6p$mmb@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lpm1s12.cnmnet.com In article <4l9d6p$mmb@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, stuffsd@ix.netcom.com(Steven Douglas Stuff) wrote: > I live in central Illinois and am looking for a good > source to order a few packaged bees from. I have not > had very good luck over the past couple of years getting > live packages through the U.S. mail. > > I would appreciate any help given. > > Steve - stuffsd.ix.netcom.com Hi Steve, Where in Central Il. are you from? I live in the country South of Springfield, near Taylorville. I've been searching the net for info & sources (I'm just thinking of getting into beekeeping...always been facinated by the little critters!) Anyway, you might try: Dadant & Sons, 51 S. 2nd St., Hamilton, IL 62341. I saw it mentioned as a reliable supplier on several Beekeeping Web Pages and they are fairly close to home. ( North of Quincy, just across the river from Keokuk, Iowa) Hope this helps you out...Good Luck! Charla >From mail@NecessaryIllusions.CA Sun May 5 13:43:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie .ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!Ocean.CAM.ORG!not-for-mai l From: mail@NecessaryIllusions.CA (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood preservation Date: 24 Apr 1996 16:05:04 -0400 Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4lm1hg$4v0@ocean.CAM.ORG> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm a newbie building hives for the first time. I've read the FAQ about which chemical to use to treat wood against rot. I understand that white paint is msot comonly used on the outside but I was thinking of varnishing or putting a transparent product to keep the natural finish of the wood. Is this a good idea? Can anyone recommend a particular brand? Thanks Francis >From marjorie@netcom.com Sun May 5 13:43:59 EDT 1996 Article: 4173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com !netcom.com!marjorie From: marjorie@netcom.com (Marjorie Rosen) Subject: Re: Mason Bees Message-ID: Organization: The Rosen Home X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <9604132320421711@ beenet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:48:13 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: marjorie@netcom6.netcom.com Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) wrote: : B>From: bateman@cycor.ca (Ivan Bateman) : >Subject: Mason Bees : B>Can anyone advise on the winter hardiness of Mason bees (osmia lignaria)? : B>I am located about 50 km north of Lake Ontario and winter temperatures can : >drop as low as -30 degrees celsius (or 22 below Fahrenheit). : B>What is considered to be a practical northern limit of winter survival? : If you can check at the The Beekeeping Home page in Washington state, : and from there he has a connection to someone who sells these bee's : and a little be house to keep them happy in for about $30 with a few : bees more or less. I am sure that this site can give you information on : the blue orchard bee if that is the same osmia. My guess would bee that : it will do OK, but you could always bring the little bee house down : celler for the winter. : --- : þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... And where the bee with cowslip bells was wrestling. Even better - Contact Entomo-Logic (206)820-8037. They specialize in Mason Bee stuff. I just ran across their straw system for Mason bee houses. Very nice and easy to use. Costs only $20 with more straws available. They can give you the info you need. Marjorie >From mfclark@ozemail.com.au Sun May 5 13:44:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac. psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news feed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!new s.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!OzEmail!usenet From: mfclark@ozemail.com.au (Michael Clark) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info Please !!! Reply from 'down under' Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:46:57 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4lkmh3$85s@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> References: <31726FA8.25391AB9@ibi.co.za> <31780AB2.103B@infonet.isl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slsyd9p48.ozemail.com.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 As a bee keeper who lives in the southern hemisphere I thought I should correct the seasonal advice given previously. South of the equator we are heading towards winter and it is time to prepare hives for the cold. I usually close my hives at the end of April and don't open them again until August (except for installing a feeder if required). This is not the time to start a hive. If you want to do something you could build boxes and frames etc ready for the spring. It was good advice about finding another beekeeper although you could also join a bee club where you will get lots of different points of view about caring for bees. The swarming period where I live is about September to October and as we are a similar distance south of the equator yours should be the same ( plus maybe a week or two as you are slightly further north). If you don't want to catch a swarm to get "free" bees then ask around and someone may give you one. Remember to requeen in February or March as the old queen you get with the swarm may want to leave again next year and then you will lose half you bees and some honey. Start with say one hive and when you get comfortable with them you can increase the number of hives you have. If you require any further details post an article to this newsgroup or email me at mfclark@ozemail.com.au Hope this helps Michael >Xeratech wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> My name is Desmond Fry and I come from South Africa. I am looking into >> starting out with a couple of hives. Please send me any info on >> beekeeping especially on attracting bees to empty hives or just leave >> the info at this site. My E-Mail address is >> "Desmond_fry.jnb01@intl.rx.xerox.com" >> >> Thanx >> Des >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:44:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie .ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wood preservative Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:16:17 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1996Apr24.201617.2743998@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-165-133.pq.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Try building your hive parts and then dipping them in Olymic water guard for wood, we have done all of our supers, lids, and bottom pallets this way for years, and they are holding up great. >From gooly@jetstream.awinc.com Sun May 5 13:44:00 EDT 1996 Article: 4176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bct el.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: gooly@jetstream.awinc.com (Werner Gysi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: May I visit you in Canada? Date: 25 Apr 1996 04:15:52 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4lmu9o$gm9@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmer01.jetstream.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 As an active beekeeper in BC I will tour Canada starting May 20/96 until July 27/96. I have written a book called "Harmonic Farming: a love style" and will do a promotional tour to bookstores and healthfood stores. If anyone would be willing to provide a spot to park the pop-up trailer while touring, please let me know. We are a family of 6. Stays would be brief. We look forward to meet you. Please send Email to gooly@jetstream.awinc.com. For more info on my book see http://www.jetstream.net/business/gooly >From drhst19+@pitt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.n et!newsfeed.pitt.edu!drhst19 From: drhst19+@pitt.edu (Damon R Hudac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT VARROA MITE! Date: 25 Apr 1996 05:11:39 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ln1ib$t5k@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> <4ll5bt$k2m@usenet4.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs6.cis.pitt.edu >> does anyone have the latest on the situation in the USA >>concerning the varroa mite's impact on beekeeping there? > >A disaster. > >>Has any >>effective means of combatance been found? >> >Fluvalinate, sold in the US under the trade name "Apistan", does the >job but is expensive and, if you believe all the warning material >that comes with the product, rather dangerous. Honey from a hive >treated with Apistan must not be consumed, etc. Lest that last >sentence be confusing, honey that is in the hive when the Apistan >strips (it comes on a plastic strip about 8 cm wide and 25 cm long) >are placed in it must not be taken. Honey collected after the strips >have been removed is OK. Apistan strips are placed in the brood chamber for 54 days-two life-cycles of the honeybee. After 54 days, the strips are removed and are no longer good. When honey flow starts, the strips are not used. After the flow the strips are replaced into the brood chamber-2 strips for every 10 frames. If you have a double brood chamber, that makes 4 strips. However there are some beekeepers that are using apistan strips year round. They replace the 54 day old strips with new strips. In other countries, like Brazil, the beekeepers are permitted touse 3 different types of poisons, 1st apistan, then formic acid, and some other kind I can't remember. that way the mites can't build a resitance to any one poison. The honey that is produced in those countries is shipped to the US with exposure to those different types of poisons and is not regulated. people consume that all the time. Maybe that's the cause of Mad Honey Disease. If you want any info on mites in the USA, check the Beekeeper Homepage on the internet. >From timd@arbornet.org Sun May 5 13:44:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sojourn.com!condor .ic.net!news From: Tim Damon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Orleans Beekeepers Date: 25 Apr 1996 07:14:24 GMT Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ln8og$t6o@condor.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port19.gateway1.ic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Any beekeepers in or around New Orleans that would like some company? I am a hobbiest beekeeper from Ann Arbor, MI and will be visiting your city May 15-18. My wife will be attending a kidney transplant symposium during the day and yes, I am taking advantage of a inexpensive "tag-a-long" business trip. That means that on the 16th and the 17th I should have some free time in the mornings. Thought I might see if I could make a friend or two. Any beepkeepers interestet in entertaining a fella for a couple of hours or so. Being new to beekeeping (3 years) I am always in search new ideas. I may be in the market for a few queens by then (4-6) so if any one as has queens for sale in or around New Orleans, how about making a friend plus sell a few queens? E-mail me at timd@arbornet.org Be seeing you! Tim Damon >From timd@arbornet.org Sun May 5 13:44:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sojourn.com!condor.ic.net!news From: Tim Damon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Orleans Beekeepers Date: 25 Apr 1996 07:13:07 GMT Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ln8m3$t6i@condor.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port19.gateway1.ic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Any beekeepers in or around New Orleans that would like some company? I am a hobbiest beekeeper from Ann Arbor, MI and will be visiting your city May 15-18. My wife will be attending a kidney transplant symposium during the day and yes, I am taking advantage of a inexpensive "tag-a-long" business trip. That means that on the 16th and the 17th I should have some free time in the mornings. Thought I might see if I could make a friend or two. Any beepkeepers interestet in entertaining a fella for a couple of hours or so. Being new to beekeeping (3 years) I am always in search new ideas. I may be in the market for a few queens by then (4-6) so if any one as has queens for sale in or around New Orleans, how about making a friend plus sell a few queens? E-mail me at timd@arbornet.org Be seeing you! Tim Damon >From timd@arbornet.org Sun May 5 13:44:01 EDT 1996 Article: 4180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sojourn.com!condor .ic.net!news From: Tim Damon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Orleans Beekeepers Date: 25 Apr 1996 07:15:25 GMT Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ln8qd$t6o@condor.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port19.gateway1.ic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Any beekeepers in or around New Orleans that would like some company? I am a hobbiest beekeeper from Ann Arbor, MI and will be visiting your city May 15-18. My wife will be attending a kidney transplant symposium during the day and yes, I am taking advantage of a inexpensive "tag-a-long" business trip. That means that on the 16th and the 17th I should have some free time in the mornings. Thought I might see if I could make a friend or two. Any beepkeepers interestet in entertaining a fella for a couple of hours or so. Being new to beekeeping (3 years) I am always in search new ideas. I may be in the market for a few queens by then (4-6) so if any one as has queens for sale in or around New Orleans, how about making a friend plus sell a few queens? E-mail me at timd@arbornet.org Be seeing you! Tim Damon >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris. cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT VARROA MITE! Date: 25 Apr 1996 11:27:20 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4lnnio$l4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> <4ll5bt$k2m@usenet4.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Steps are being taken, both publicly and privately to select and breed for lines of bees that are V.mite tolerant. Research is also being conducted to determine exactly what is happening to the colonies that suddenly "crash" and dwindle, obviously not from the mite infestation, but from a pathogen or pathogens vectored by the mite. Progress is slow as there is _not_ much money available to fund apicultural research. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be Sun May 5 13:44:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Bel gium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Orleans Beekeepers Date: 25 Apr 1996 15:02:46 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 11 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4lo46m$e88@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <4ln8qd$t6o@condor.ic.net> Reply-To: thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 I bet you're going to New Orleans and you're afraid to be lonely. +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) ALCATEL TELECOM (\ email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... >From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sun May 5 13:44:02 EDT 1996 Article: 4183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pi pex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: >>>FAQ<<< Honey Bees Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:00:16 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 486 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> This document was originally written in the UK and some of the points are applicable mostly there. Feel free to copy and customize it to your country. However please credit the original author if utilised beyond personal use. QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ FAQ's ABOUT HONEY BEES (apis mellifera) QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ BEES AND PEOPLE WHAT DO I DO IF I GET STUNG.. . IS IT TRUE THAT A BEE STING CAN BE GOOD FOR YOU. WHAT DO I DO IF I SEE A SWARM OF BEES HOW DO BEEKEEPERS CATCH A SWARM APART FROM HONEY ARE BEES USEFUL. IS BEEKEEPING HARD WORK. WILL I GET STUNG IF I KEEP BEES. A BEEKEEPER USES SMOKE TO 'CALM' THE BEES, HOW DOES THIS WORK. MODERN BEE HIVES LOOK BORING WHY DON'T MANY BEEKEEPERS USE THE TRADITIONAL LOOKING WHITE TERRACED HIVE. HONEY AND OTHER PRODUCTS. WHY DO BEES MAKE HONEY. HOW MUCH HONEY CAN ONE BEE HIVE PRODUCE. HOW DOES THE BEEKEEPER GET THE HONEY FROM THE BEES. DO THE BEES MISS THE HONEY THAT IS TAKEN. WHY ARE SOME TYPES OF HONEY CLEAR AND RUNNY AND OTHER TYPES OPAQUE AND HARD. HOW DO BEES MAKE HONEY. DOES HONEY CONTAIN ADDITIVES. HOW DO BEES MAKE WAX. WHAT IS ROYAL JELLY. BIOLOGY/ BEHAVIOR. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HONEY BEES, WASPS AND BUMBLE BEES. HOW MANY TYPES OF BEES ARE IN A HONEY BEE COLONY. WHAT DOES THE QUEEN BEE DO. DOES THE QUEEN 'RULE' THE COLONY. WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE QUEEN. HOW DO BEES MAKE A QUEEN. HOW LONG DOES A BEE LIVE. HOW DO THE BEES SHARE OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT JOBS IN A HIVE. HOW MANY BEES ARE IN A BEE HIVE.8 WHAT CAUSES BEES TO SWARM.8 WHAT IS BEE 'DANCING'. HOW DOES A BEE NAVIGATE. CAN A BEE SEE COLOURS. DO BEES SLEEP . HOW FAR CAN BEES FLY. WHY DO BEES COLLECT POLLEN. DO BEES HIBERNATE DURING WINTER. WHY DOES A BEE STING. WHY DOES A BEE DIE WHEN IT STINGS. WHAT ARE 'KILLER BEES'. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ..................BEES AND PEOPLE.................. WHAT DO I DO IF I GET STUNG. Bees will not generally sting if unprovoked, usually the bee has been trapped in hair or crushed. When too close to a be hive avoid flapping your arms and moving rapidly, if the bees are antagonized walk away through undergrowth or trees if possible. If stung scrape the sting out with your finger nail as the sting still pumps venom for some time after the bee has left. IS IT TRUE THAT A BEE STING CAN BE GOOD FOR YOU. Old Beekeepers seldom suffer from arthritis or rheumatism and in Russia bee venom is used directly as a treatment of joint conditions. Research is ongoing. WHAT DO I DO IF I SEE A SWARM OF BEES. Don't Panic, bees in a swarm are almost always in a good mood. They can not easily sting even if antagonized as they have gorged themselves with honey and can not get their bodies into the best position to sting. If the swarm is not causing a nuisance then leave it, gradually the bees will cluster in a bush or tree and remain there for up to 3 days. During that time scouts will be sent out to look for a new home, the only problem may be they will choose your chimney so put your fire/ heating on low and enjoy their visit. If the swarm is a nuisance then the police keep a list of local beekeepers who can help. HOW DO BEEKEEPERS CATCH A SWARM. A swarm is actively looking for a home, so if the beekeeper puts a nice hive with perhaps some old honey comb in it close to where the swarm has settled, then it is easy to persuade them to take up residence. Normally a few bees are dropped into the hive and they then 'fan' their scent to the other bees once it has been 'approved'. It is a dramatic sight to see a swarm 'marching' into a new hive. Bees already in residence perhaps in an chimney or old tree must be removed with their honey comb containing the young grubs and the queen. If the bees cannot be reached then the beekeeper is helpless and the council pest control will destroy the colony. APART FROM HONEY ARE BEES USEFUL. Yes very, the pollination benefit of bees is calculated to help the economy by œ100's millions per annum. Certain crops yield up to 25-40% more if efficiently pollinated and farmers in some areas of the world pay beekeepers to put hives into their fields and orchards. In addition to pollination bees produce wax for candles and Royal Jelly. During the middle ages one of the most important jobs in an Abbey was the Beekeeper, as a huge quantity of wax was constantly required for the ceremonial candles. IS BEEKEEPING HARD WORK. In terms of time... about 1/2 an hour per hive per week >from mid April to August. In addition honey is extracted twice a year. HOW MUCH WILL IT COST ME TO KEEP BEES. For the clothing and tools about œ125 and a second hand hive with bees about œ50. WILL I GET STUNG IF I KEEP BEES. Yes. A few people are allergic, but most will swell for a short time and then gradually become immune. A BEEKEEPER USES SMOKE TO 'CALM' THE BEES, HOW DOES THIS WORK. Bees are woodland insects and evolution has taught them to fear fire more than anything else. When smoke enters a hive the bees are immediately diverted to eat as much honey as possible as there may be a need to abandon the hive at a moments notice. This diverts them whilst the beekeeper takes their home apart. MODERN BEE HIVES LOOK BORING WHY DON'T MANY BEEKEEPERS USE THE TRADITIONAL LOOKING WHITE TERRACED HIVE. Although the old style (uk) hives look pleasant at the foot of the garden there is nearly twice as many components in their construction. Internally the old hive is the same as a modern hive but are more clumsy to use. Incidently the 'old' style is called a WBC hive after it's inventor William Broughton Carr the most popular standard 'hobby' hive in Britain is the 'National' hive. .............HONEY AND OTHER PRODUCTS.............. WHY DO BEES MAKE HONEY Honey bees are special in that they over winter as a colony unlike wasps and bumble bees (see Biology). The colony does not hibernate but stays active and clusters together to stay warm. This requires a lot of food stored from the summer before ...honey. Although a hive only needs 20-30lbs of honey to survive an average winter, the bees are capable, if given the space of collecting much more. This is what the beekeeper wants them to do. HOW MUCH HONEY CAN ONE BEE HIVE PRODUCE. One hive can produce 60 lbs of honey in a good season, however an average hive would be around 20-30lbs surplus. HOW DOES THE BEEKEEPER GET THE HONEY FROM THE BEES. The queen bee is kept below the upper boxes in the hive (called 'Supers') by a wire or plastic grid which the queen is to large to fit through (called a 'Queen excluder'). As the bees cannot raise brood above this queen excluder only honey is stored in the supers. As the season progresses the beekeeper adds more supers until the time to harvest the honey. A special one way valve is fitted in place of the queen excluder and gradually all the bees are forced into the lowest part of the hive, the beekeeper can simply lift off the 'super' boxes containing the honey comb. The honey is extracted from the comb using centrifugal force in a machine called a spinner looking much like an old fashioned upright spin dryer. DO THE BEES MISS THE HONEY THAT IS TAKEN No. A strong colony can produce 2-3 times more honey than they need. If necessary the beekeeper can feed a sugar syrup in the autumn to supplement for the loss of honey. WHY ARE SOME TYPES OF HONEY CLEAR AND RUNNY AND OTHER TYPES OPAQUE AND HARD. The type of honey made by the bees is dependant on the types of foliage and flowers available to the bees. Crops such as oil seed rape (the bright yellow fields in the spring) produce large quantifies of honey that sets very hard, so hard even the bees could not use it in the winter, garden flowers tend to give a clear liquid honey. If the beekeeper wants to produce a mono honey ie clover, orange blossom etc the bee hive is put out of range from other sources. This can be difficult for the small hobbyist and a blend of the seasons honey is usually the result. In the autumn some beekeepers move their hives onto the moors to harvest only the nectar from wild heather. Heather honey is thought to be the king of honeys and is a clear jelly consistency. HOW DO BEES MAKE HONEY. Bees take nectar which is a sweet sticky substance exuded by most flowers and some insects (honey dew) and mix it with enzymes from glands in their mouths. The nectar/enzyme mix is stored in hexagonal wax honeycomb until the water content has been reduced to around 17%. When this level is reached the cell is capped over with a thin layer of wax to seal it until the bees need it. This capping indicates to the beekeeper that the honey can be harvested. Capped honey can keep almost indefinitely. Perfectly edible honey comb was found in the tombs of the pharaohs, over three thousand years old. How's that for Best Before Dates. DOES HONEY CONTAIN ADDITIVES. No. The only treatment is to filter to remove any wax debris produced during the extraction process. HOW DO BEES MAKE WAX. The youngest bees cluster in large numbers to raise their body temperature. Wax producing glands under their abdomen slowly excrete slivers of wax about the size of a pin head. Other worker bees 'harvest' these wax scales and take them to the part of the hive requiring the new wax. Bees use about 6lbs of honey to produce 1lb of wax. WHAT IS ROYAL JELLY. Royal jelly is the food fed to queen bee larvae. It is a creamy white colour and is very rich in proteins and fatty acids. It is produced by mouth glands in young bees. Each queen needs only a teaspoon of royal jelly, so as health product it is very expensive. Many magical properties are claimed of royal jelly however a sceptical view is probably the healthiest, especially as products sold in health shops can contain as little as 2% of the real thing. .................BIOLOGY/ BEHAVIOR...................... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HONEY BEES, WASPS AND BUMBLE BEES. Honey Bees are the highest form of insect life, they live in a well organised colony that does not need to hibernate. They produce honey and store it in wax comb and use the same hive from one year to the next. Typical max population 30,000 - 45,000. Wasps start in the spring with a single queen wasp that has hibernated under leaves or in cracks. The queen wasp builds a new hive constructed from paper and about the size of a golf ball. This hive (bice) builds up through the summer, however no honey is stored. In the autumn the colony organisation breaks down, with homeless wasps becoming an increasing nuisance around bins and rubbish. Typical max population 15,000. Bumble Bees or as the UK Victorian's called them 'Humble bees' like wasps only the queen hibernates and survives the winter. In the spring the queen bumble bee seeks an old mouse or vole hole and builds within it a nest of leaves and moss. She construct nodular wax cells and incubates her young as a bird would. As her first offspring hatch and begin to fly the queen increasingly stays within the hive to produce young. Bumble bees do make a small amount of honey and store it in one special cup like cell. There is no more than a tablespoon at any time. Typical max population only 40-100. HOW MANY TYPES OF BEES ARE IN A HONEY BEE COLONY. Three types, a single queen, thousands of Workers (females) and in the summer hundreds of Drones (males). In the autumn the male Drone bees are evicted by the workers and die. WHAT DOES THE QUEEN BEE DO. The sole purpose of the queen is to lay eggs. During April and May she lays day and night, each egg takes about 20 seconds to lay. That's over 2000 eggs a day, more than the body weight of the queen. The queen mates only once and holds sufficient sperm from the male Drones to lay eggs for 3-4 years, incidently the drone bee dies in the process. There are 3 types of wax cell used for eggs. In the smallest cells (5mm diam) she lays fertilized eggs which in 21 days produce the female worker bees. In larger cells (7mm diam) unfertilised eggs are laid which in 24 days become the male Drone bees, production of offspring not requiring mating is known as parthenogenesis. A very special cell which hangs vertically downwards is used to produce new queens. A colony producing queen type cells warn the beekeeper of an impending swarm. DOES THE QUEEN 'RULE' THE COLONY. No, the queen is simply an egg laying machine. The queen bee has a smaller brain than a worker bee. WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE QUEEN. It is not understood (by man) why bees will only tolerate one queen but any attempt to introduce a second queen results in her death. If a queen dies unexpectedly the bees are able to make an 'emergency queen' from eggs younger than 3 days old. HOW DO BEES MAKE A QUEEN. The making of a new queen is triggered usually by a combination of conditions such as congestion in the hive and lack of egg laying space, this cumulates in a swarm. 1.Bees construct upto 20 wax queen cells which are acorn like and point downwards. 2.The old queen lays fertilised eggs in each queen cell. 3.The young (nurse) bees feed the young larvae with a rich creamy food called Royal Jelly and extend the cell downwards until it is about 25mm in length. 4.None days after laying, the first queen cell is sealed with a layer of wax capping. 5.This is the time a large swarm (called a prime swarm) of bees leaves the hive led by the older bees. The old queen has been starved of food to make her lighter and able to fly. The older bees cajole the old queen to join the swarm. 6.Eight days later the first virgin queen leaves her cell. One of two things can now occur, either the first virgin queen leads a smaller swarm (called a cast) or she locates the other queen cells and kills her sisters by stinging through the wax wall of the cell. 7.About a week later the young queen makes her first flight to orientate her to her new surroundings. 8.The queen will shortly take several mating flights in which she will mate with up to 17 male bees called drones. 9.Three days later the mated queen will begin to lay fertilised eggs. 10.She will stay with the colony until at least the next year when she too may lead a prime swarm. HOW LONG DOES A BEE LIVE. In the summer a worker bee only lives for about 40 days. As no young are raised over the winter months, the workers born in the autumn will live until the following spring. A queen can live up to 5 years however for the beekeeper a queen is passed her prime in her third year. HOW DO THE BEES SHARE OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT JOBS IN A HIVE. When a bee is born it's first job is to clean out the cell in which she was born. Jobs are then allocated on the basis of age. see fig 2 HOW MANY BEES ARE IN A BEE HIVE. High summer about 35,000 dropping to around 6 - 8,000 in the winter. WHAT CAUSES BEES TO SWARM. A swarm is the natural way for bees to multiply and produce new colonies. It is normally the culmination of queen rearing. explained above. WHAT IS BEE 'DANCING'. Bees need to communicate with each other to pass on the location of food sources. To do this bees have evolved a unique dance language that can be understood by us. A worker bee returning from a rich source of food will 'dance' by running in a circle, on each revolution the bee will bisect the circle at an angle. The angle with respect to 12 O'clock represents the angle to fly with respect to the sun. If the bee ran from 6 to 12 O'clock ie straight up, this would say 'fly directly towards the sun'. And 7 to 1 O'clock would mean fly just to the right of the sun, 12 to 6 O'clock 'Fly directly away from the sun'. In other words the bees translate the angle to the sun as an angle to the vertical. To represent distance the bee 'wiggles' it's abdomen whist crossing the circle, the more wiggles the greater the distance. So a bee will 'say' to it's friends 'Fly over there for about a 1 mile and you will find something that tastes like this'. Pretty smart !. HOW DOES A BEE NAVIGATE. As mentioned above the bees use the position of the sun and there is evidence of sensitivity to the earths magnetic field. Also bees eyes are sensitive to polarised light which penetrates through even thick cloud so they are able to 'see' the sun in poor weather. CAN A BEE SEE COLOURS. Yes, their eyes are sensitive more to the blue end of the spectrum and into ultra violet. Flowers reflect large amounts of ultra violet light and to a bee will be very bright. DO BEES SLEEP No, but during the night most bees remain motionless reserving their energies for the next day. HOW FAR CAN BEES FLY. It is possible for bees to fly as far as 4 miles for food, however an average distance would be closer to 0.5-1 mile >from the hive. A strong colony flies the equivalent distance of to the moon every day!. WHY DO BEES COLLECT POLLEN. Pollen is mixed with water and to form a type of bread which is fed to the growing larvae. DO BEES HIBERNATE DURING WINTER. No, bees over winter as a strong colony clustered together and using their bodies to generate heat. This cluster is about the size of football, the bees taking turns to be on the cold outside. WHY DOES A BEE STING. A bee only stings under two conditions. 1.To protect the colony. 2. When frightened. WHY DOES A BEE DIE WHEN IT STINGS. When a bee stings, barbs in the lance of the sting cause it to firmly stick into the victim pulling out the venom sacs and glands when the bee is shaken off. The venom sac muscles continue to pump after these organs have been torn from the dying bee. WHAT ARE 'KILLER BEES'. There is not really such thing as 'Killer bees'. The description hit the headlines due to events in America. In 1956 South American beekeepers in Brazil tried to 'improve' the local strain of honey bee by cross breeding with African bees. The African bee was known to be a good producer of honey, however had a reputation for aggressive behaviour. The resultant cross strain produced an even more aggressive bee. Although an individual bee has the same sting and venom as a British bee, they are much more easily induced to sting and chase people. This 'Africansed' strain can now be found in some southern American states producing the media hype of 'Killer Bees'. ........................ Authors Graham & Annie Law LRBK, Leicestershire, uk Graham@gandboss.demon.uk ........................ Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun May 5 13:44:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Re: smoker fuel Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] References: <4lk7mb$nee@daily-planet.nodak.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:51:50 GMT Lines: 53 While corm cobs soaked in oil may work, I have problems with the potential additaves in the oil >==========Matt R Chambers, 4/23/96========== > > > >Dried corn cob cores soaked in oil work pretty well > > >Rick Spada (ricks@mathworks.com) wrote: >: In article <4l40n3$2ro@gamera.cbl.cees.edu>, >: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) writes: >: >Theodore V. Fischer (tvf@umich.edu) wrote: >: >: Rick Spada wrote: >: >: > >: >: > I was told by the Norfolk County Beekeeper's Assc. here in >MA that wool smoke was >: >: > toxic to the bees. I take it that that is not true? > > >: >Wool bags/sacks are not made of wool. Sheep producers take >their wool to >: >market in burlap bags. They are supposed to hold about 150# >of fleeces. >: >After a while mice thend to chew holes in them and they need to >be >: >replaced. Hope this clarifies the point. I also raise sheep. > >: Yes, that clarifies the discussion. Thanks to you and others that >have pointed >: out that the sacks were made of burlap. > >: -- Rick > >: __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com >__ >: The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com >: 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com >: Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com >: __ Tel: 508-647-7000 ___ Fax: 508-647-7001 _________________ > > >-- > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:44:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.interne tmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.n y.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wholesale wax supplier Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:39:47 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1996Apr25.223947.903351@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-152-194.on.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Try Dave Tegart in Fairview Alberta or the Alberta Honey Producers Co-op in Spruce Grove AB. >From s147728@studenti.ing.unipi.it Sun May 5 13:44:03 EDT 1996 Article: 4186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu !newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!surfnet.nl!swsbe6.switch.ch!sc sing.switch.ch!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!studenti.ing.unipi.it!s147728 From: Alfonso Brancaccio Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mozzarella kind of italian cheese Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:19:42 +0200 Organization: Universita' di Pisa Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: studenti.ing.unipi.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Hi if you want save other on this cheese you go to alt.mcdonalds.cheese ALFONSO >From s147728@studenti.ing.unipi.it Sun May 5 13:44:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!scramble. lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu !newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!surfnet.nl!swsbe6.switch.ch!sw idir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!studenti.ing.unipi.it!s147728 From: Alfonso Brancaccio Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mozzarella kind of italian cheese Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:20:32 +0200 Organization: Universita' di Pisa Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: studenti.ing.unipi.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Alfonso Brancaccio wrote: > Hi > > if you want save other on this cheese you go to alt.mcdonalds.cheese > > > ALFONSO > >From jonathan@vislearn.demon.co.uk Sun May 5 13:44:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news1.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch. news.demon.net!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan H Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q: Wave cloth, does it work? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:50:44 +0100 Organization: Visual Learning Associates The Talent Centre Ltd Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <317E3B8D.7566@aiag.enet.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> In article <317E3B8D.7566@aiag.enet.dec.com>, Jim Moore writes >In a book I read recently "Mastering the >Art of Beekeeping" by Ormond Aebi (1976) mentioned >using a pole in the bee yard with a cloth or two >hanging from it as a calming influence on bees. > > The idea being that the bees get use to >having motion around the hive so are less likely to >defend when someone walks by. > > _______________ > " " | " " > XXXXXX | XXXXXX > XXXXXX | XXXXXX > XXXXXX | XXXXXX > XXXXXX | XXXXXX > XXXXXX | XXXXXX > | > | > | > | > | > | > > Illus. above a pole with two towels that would >move in the wind. > > Does this really work? Anyone ever try it >on a cranky hive? Well..............I've also read the book(s) and tried this with an old shirt of mine. Can't say I noticed any difference. If I remember it is supposed to work better if it smells of the beekeeper! Perhaps that's the problem? <8:) Anyway when the queen was replaced with a more docile and good tempered monarch the problem went away. Maybe english-y bees are different to Aebi kind? Just out of interest the spring is late here and varroa remains a problem. Watch out for wax moth in hives weakened by the mite, the two (IMHO) seem to go together. Don't you just love having 80,000+ females in a box...............what a buzz. -- Jonathan 'Si duo idem vident, non est idem'. (If two people see the same thing, it is not the same thing) Amateur beekeeper in Nottington Dorset England. >From BDFH99A@prodigy.com Sun May 5 13:44:04 EDT 1996 Article: 4189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harv ard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble .lm.com!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed. internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans .net!prodigy.com!usenet From: BDFH99A@prodigy.com (Peter Wolfe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic cell foundation ? Date: 26 Apr 1996 04:41:44 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4lpk68$1h4i@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 This rank beginner now has seven colonies (5 packages & 2 captured swarms) and soon will be adding the second brood supers to the hives. I have started on wax coated plastic cell extruded foundation which the bees seem to be doing a nice job of filling and which was recommended by the hobby beekeeper salesman. It is now time to start planning for honey supers and foundation. I would appreciate any suggestions on staying with plastic cell. It seems simple and durable to me for the production of extracted honey. All the commercial beekeepers I have talked to use only wax foundation. The extra expense is not much of a factor for my small setup. If I want to make cut honey in the future I could always slip in a super of wax foundation. I think I'll use medium supers. Anny comments ? Peter Wolfe on the very western edge of the Central Valley in Brentwood, California pwolfe@prodigy.com >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.n et!news.Stanford.EDU!newshub1.internex.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus .holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey (Looking for) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604260646251811@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 20 *Consumer looking or Honey* ---------------------------------------- From: Bishp@mindspring.com Subject: Honey Anyone know of a source for Sourwood honey in Virginia???? Can't seem to find it these days... also antique apple trees... Thanks, "Cactus" Jack Rusak bishp@mindspring.com Richmond, Va April 24, 1996 9:55 pm --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Yet, like the bee returning to her queen, >From ibm.net Sun May 5 13:44:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news1.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTOWNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic cell foundation Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:37:44 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1996Apr25.223744.779770@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-152-194.on.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Plastic foundation and frames can and are being used by a wide variety of beekeepers large and small, your doing fine, and saving yourself alot of problems in the long run. Carry on. >From davidge@silcom.com Sun May 5 13:44:05 EDT 1996 Article: 4192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.silcom.com!usenet From: Dean Davidge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does beekeeping hurt the bees? Date: 26 Apr 1996 22:36:21 GMT Organization: Silicon Beach Communications Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4lrj55$8hl@ocean.silcom.com> References: <4kk6c9$ch8@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <3173FF6B.3087@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-5.syv.silcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Considering that disease and parasites have virtually eradicated feral bees in many parts of the country, I believe the answer is that the bees are much better off if cared for by a beekeeper than not. Some bees get sqashed while the keekeeper moves the supers and hive bodies, and some guard bees die stinging the beekeeper, but looking at the hive as a whole, this is like the hurt you experience when you go to the doctor for a shot - sure, it hurts a little, but you are better off for it. Dean Davidge Santa Ynez CA 4-H Beekeeping Project Leader >From KPiette@tiac.net Sun May 5 13:44:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news-in.t iac.net!news.tiac.net!usenet From: Kerri Piette Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Recipe? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:58:17 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31815509.5B6F@tiac.net> References: <4lcjon$7a8@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bonsai.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Could someone please list a recipe for Terra patties for one hive? I am a hobbiest and only seem to see the directions for several pounds. I would like to medicate my solitary hive with the correct dosage. Please email me if you can since I don't read the list often. Thanks in advance. Kerri >From NateS@svi.org Sun May 5 13:44:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news .Stanford.EDU!smart1.svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting a Second Hive Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:13:46 -0700 Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31813C8A.1FEC@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsy.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I have one hive that is now a year old and doing very well. I would like to start up a second hive this summer to get it up and running for next year. I could order a package of bees (I know it's a little late now) or use the first hive to start the second. Does anybody have information about starting a second hive using brood frames from an existing hive? Or experience as to which technique is "better". The existing hive has two, deep brood chambers. I would like to do this without decreasing the honey production from the first hive by pulling frames of brood. I live in the California Bay Area which has long warm summers and mild winters, so I'm hoping that I could start the hive later this season. Any advice would be appreciated. nate >From northcj@io.org Sun May 5 13:44:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!news.uky.edu!lamarck.sura.net!ra.nr l.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howla nd.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net !winternet.com!news1.io.org!northcote From: northcj@io.org (R John Northcote) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker Fuel-White Pine Needles Date: 27 Apr 1996 16:41:45 GMT Organization: Internex Online (io.org), Toronto, Ontario, Canada Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ltio9$n8v@news1.io.org> References: <316D6C45.7429@CSC.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: northcote.net6c.io.org X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 any where there are pine needles, there are pine cones. These sure make starting the smoker easier after a damp night (or any other time). They also make starting other fuels easier too. >From ccgammon@awinc.com Sun May 5 13:44:06 EDT 1996 Article: 4196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!en.com!laslo.netnet.net!kry ten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a Second Hive Date: 27 Apr 1996 16:35:34 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4lticm$ojp@kryten.awinc.com> References: <31813C8A.1FEC@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes08.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Nate: I'm a beekeeper in British Columbia. What I would do is a split. First order a mated and tested queen. Maybe you know someone in your area that raises queens. When ordering her, precisely determine when you expect her to arrive at your home. Now, knowing when the queen is to arrive, backdate nine calendar days. Say, the queen is schedule to arrive May 10, backdate to May 1. On that day, place a queen excluder between the two brood boxes of your single hive. On May 9, go to your hive with a new bottom board and top. Take the top box off the main hive and set it on the new bottom. Remove the queen excluder. Visually determine (1) which hive has the GREATER NUMBER of bees, and (2), which box has UNSEALED BROOD. The box with the GREATER NUMBER of bees should be moved at least three miles away to prevent drifting and kept away from the original hive for at least six weeks. The box with UNSEALED BROOD has the original queen and should require no further work, insofar as splitting is concerned. The next day, when the new queen arrives, introduce her to the QUEENLESS colony. Three or four days later, she should be out of her cage. A week later, you should see unsealed brood in the frames. There, you've done a split. It's much easier than nucing ... on you and on the bees. One final thing. Add a new second storey brood box to each colony when the bottom box is 90% full of stores. This is a visual judgement call to avoid swarming. Craig G. >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.rest on.ans.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasp Question Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 21:49:59 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com I realize this probably isn't the correct place for this question but I can't think of another one. I live in San Diego, Ca. and own a swimming pool. The last two years (I've been here 18) wasps have decided to use our (and neighbor's too) pool to get water for building nests. We have NO IDEA where these nests may be. Is there any way to keep the wasps away from the pool or diswade them? They are very terratorial and, every time we go to get in the water, they show up, landing on it and being aggresive. ANY suggestions helpful. It's almost as if I should move as we really can't enjoy the pool at all. Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!raf fles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.v t.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 28 Apr 1996 02:43:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4lum0v$9d@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com>, P. & E. Withey wrote: >swimming pool. The last two years (I've been here 18) wasps have >decided to use our (and neighbor's too) pool to get water for building >nests. Hello. Can you describe what they look like? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From stuffsd@ix.netcom.com Sun May 5 13:44:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.c oast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: stuffsd@ix.netcom.com(Steven Douglas Stuff) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WANTED: colonies to rent Date: 28 Apr 1996 00:12:59 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4lud6b$r3m@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tf5-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Apr 27 7:12:59 PM CDT 1996 I am looking for a few colonies of bees to rent. My uncle owns a small orchard in central Illinois(town of Lacon) about 30 miles North of Peoria. Please contact me if you can help or know someone that might be interested. Thanks, Steve Stuff stuffsd@ix.netcom.com >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink. net!new-news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEEMAZAD (botanical insec Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:03:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604281204491825@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 18 Hi All, Beekeeper's here are experimenting with a chemical product they mix with sugar syrup at ratio's of 300 gallons sugar to 2 quarts product and feed it to the bees in early spring to kill varroa mites. The product sells for about $50. a gallon and is 0.25% Azadirachtin (active ingredient). Have you heard anything about this product made by GRACE and sold as NEEMAZAD 0.28 EC? Our Green Season is about over and now we are into our Brown Season. Lots of nice tall grass to burn this year, and some areas are burning now so those areas are in their Black Season. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-st ate.edu!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:43:02 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com>, P. & E. Withey wrote: >>swimming pool. The last two years (I've been here 18) wasps have >>decided to use our (and neighbor's too) pool to get water for building >>nests. >Hello. Can you describe what they look like? >Adam >-- Adam: Not sure what you mean. I guess I'm assuming that they are using the water to help build nests with as I haven't seen them. If you mean what to the wasps look like they look like the normal mean wasps which, oddly enough, are light enough to be able to "float" on the water to drink or collect the water or whatever they're doing. At any rate, they seem to feel that they own the pool. There are never more than 2-3 around and sometimes none to be seen until we get into the pool. However, they do make using the pool difficult as they show up when we get in (2-3 of them sometimes a few more). >From noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us Sun May 5 13:44:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.u texas.edu!usenet From: noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 29 Apr 1996 02:21:52 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4m1940$d2m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <4m03m6$pr 1@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-67-6.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com>, peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) says: We had the same problem with my dad's pool on his ranch. The red wasps would land on the pool and drink. When my parents were away, my brother and I would get our 22 cal. rifles and have target practice, till my dad found a slug in the pool while cleaning it. Chris >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!newshub1.interne x.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wholesale honey market Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 02:54:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604282019511831@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 60 *FYI* OFF THE BEE-list KJ>From: Kirk Jones >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 18:16:50 -0400 >Subject: wholesale honey market KJ>I would appreciate any reports of current pricing on wholesale loads of >honey. Allen Dick reported lower prices on Argentine honey coming in. I missed that report, but there will be no new Argentine crop until next November and much of that honey has moved into the market. Sue Bee had to purchase 4+ million pounds which was "new" business for Argentine honey. KJ>Some packers are offering contracts on this years crops. Anyone care to >predict at what prices packers may offer in Sept-Oct? Honey packers in California are saying "big crop" here, this is far from the truth and the crop will be much less then last year because of the lack of rain from LA south, and that the area that can make up the big crops is LA south. The Orange flow was cut short by cold weather here in Central California and in Florida. Plant condition reports are not all good from producing areas with some lateness of bloom due to local weather conditions. The Dakotas are reported to look good, but Texas is suffering from the lack of rain. Bee conditions overall are not great with much makeup because of winter loss. KJ>With the honey loan program nixed(so I hear), I thought that the market may >soften somewhat this fall, but may pick up at the end of the year. Yes, no LOAN program on honey, but it should not make that much difference as there are still banks open. As for the market it's all guess work as in the history of honey marketing we as producers have never have experienced. You can be sure the packers will be doing everything to force the market down. The consumption of all sugars was up in 1995 world wide and is expected to be up another 4-5% this year. KJ>One packer offered .90/lb. We're tempted to contract. That is a very good price and may be the highest price you have ever received. But so is the gas you buy... Cash sales made last week for old crop white honey (as private report) were still at $1.01 cents per pound delivered, drums back. All in all, the price you sell for is the market price and .90 cents ahead of production is very nice with this: WARNING!! Honey packers have a history of not honoring early contracts. "yor honey is dark'er, wet'er, or whatever" So be sure you have a real contract and know your buyer. If the price is higher then .90 cents you will not have a worry. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news. Stanford.EDU!newshub1.internex.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet .net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604281901071830@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. Lines: 45 P>From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) >Subject: Re: Wasp Question P>adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: P>>In article <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com>, P. & E. Withey wrote >>>swimming pool. The last two years (I've been here 18) wasps have >>>decided to use our (and neighbor's too) pool to get water for building >>>nests. > Not sure what you mean. I guess I'm assuming that they are using >the water to help build nests with as I haven't seen them. If you >mean what to the wasps look like they look like the normal mean wasps >which, oddly enough, are light enough to be able to "float" on the >water to drink or collect the water or whatever they're doing. At any >rate, they seem to feel that they own the pool. There are never more >than 2-3 around and sometimes none to be seen until we get into the >pool. However, they do make using the pool difficult as they show up >when we get in (2-3 of them sometimes a few more). OK, now I understand more about the problem. There are several things you can try. 1st. Bee's and I presume wasps, or mud dabbers need water, and mud if you have mud daubers. So provide a alternative site for water if you can even the bees would rather gather water for a small muddy pond then drown in your pool trying to get a drink. 2nd. The chlorine stinks does it not, if you can smell it the bees can and they are attracted to the chlorine in the water. Use the non-chlorine stuff that does not smell or burn your eyes. And yes when you get into the pool more bees will come because you stir up the odors and they can smell it from farther away. The less use the less bees, but of course one is one too many in some cases. The mud daubers should not be a year around problem, but not knowing your area I can not say how long they will be around. Here it is just a few weeks most years. Hope that helps. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I am not young enough to know everything anymore >From mickf@lure.latrobe.edu.au Sun May 5 13:44:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.vbc.net!news.mira .net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lugb.latrobe.edu.au!newsmgr From: Kath Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa again! Date: 29 Apr 1996 05:29:22 GMT Organization: La Trobe University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4m1k3i$s5j@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: micro_lc.micro.latrobe.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL Hello again. I recently posted another article about the Varroa mite and recieved a heap of replies - THANKYOU to all that did - that were all very helpful. I have decided to post again with a more specific lot of queries which I hope all you kind people can help me with ..... again! 1/ how has the varroa mite affected honey production and pollination services in the US? 2/ how have mitacide residues affected the honey and bees wax with reguards to production and sale? 3/ What affect has all this had on consumers/sales in the US? Thank you all again for reading this and hopefully replying to it. Kath >From pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Sun May 5 13:44:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.e du!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!howland.reston. ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla. edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!news.cs.su.oz.au!in ferno.mpx.com.au!dialup-6701 From: pjmurphy@mpx.com.au (Peter Murphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees, Apis and non apis species Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 03:55:50 GMT Organization: Microplex Pty Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4m1smn$f3@inferno.mpx.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.139.71 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Can anybody tell me if there are any non Apis species of bees in Europe, if so how many and how long have they existed together with the Apis species? A tall order I know but maybe someone out there knows or knows where to look, any help appreciated. Peter Murphy pjmurphy@mpx.com.au Cheers Peter Murphy Tamworth New South Wales, Country Music Capital of Australia >From ASC Sun May 5 13:44:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwlink.com!news.olympic.net !usenet From: ASC (kconvy@olympic.net) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: 29 Apr 1996 14:48:13 GMT Organization: Olympic.net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: oly2-47.olympic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I am currently working on a project and need some info. regarding the "dance" that bees do in order to indicate the direction of a pollen source. I believe that this dance is in a figure eight pattern in relationship to the position of the sun. Is this correct? Can someone give me a more detailed description or point me to a book which could offer help? I went to a rather large bookstore yesterday and sadly could find no information on either bees or beekeeping. Any help is greatly appreciated! >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 29 Apr 1996 16:24:20 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 63 Message-ID: <4m2qfk$28i@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/9604281901071830@beenet.com This is a fun topic so I'd like to add a comment or two. > > Not sure what you mean. I guess I'm assuming that they are using > >the water to help build nests with as I haven't seen them. Not a safe assumption. Could they just be collecting water? > If you > >mean what to the wasps look like they look like the normal mean wasps I think Adam is trying to determine if they are dark blue metallic mud daubers which don't (normally) sting. If they were in the pool it would probably be to collect water to mix with soil to make mud. Wasps are not normally mean. Most are not defensive. The social wasps will defend a nest, but I doubt would actively sting if just collecting water. You know, you never said whether anyone has ever been stung. Also, have you ever thought of scooping them out and crushing them? After a while, it is bound to make a difference. > >, they seem to feel that they own the pool. You may have given them the pool, but I'm sure they don't own it. > There are never more > >than 2-3 around and sometimes none to be seen until we get into the > >pool. However, they do make using the pool difficult as they show up > >when we get in (2-3 of them sometimes a few more). What time of year is this a problem? All year long in San Diego? I also like Andy's suggestions below. > >1st. Bee's and I presume wasps, or mud dabbers need water, and mud if >you have mud daubers. So provide a alternative site for water if you >can even the bees would rather gather water for a small muddy pond >then drown in your pool trying to get a drink. > >2nd. The chlorine stinks does it not, if you can smell it the bees can >and they are attracted to the chlorine in the water. Use the >non-chlorine stuff that does not smell or burn your eyes. > >And yes when you get into the pool more bees will come because you >stir up the odors and they can smell it from farther away. The less >use the less bees, but of course one is one too many in some cases. > >The mud daubers should not be a year around problem, but not knowing >your area I can not say how long they will be around. Here it is just >a few weeks most years. > > Hope that helps. ttul Andy- Lastly, Enjoy your pool. Don't be afraid of it! *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun May 5 13:44:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting a Second Hive Date: 29 Apr 1996 14:17:24 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4m2j1k$ojj@news.sandia.gov> References: <31813C8A.1FEC@svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: NateS@svi.org If you ask three beekeepers you will get four or five answers. I, of course, do my divides differently. On the day before the new queen arrives I make the split. This is made up of two frames of honey and three frames of brood with clinging bees. Place the brood frames between the honey frames and fill in the rest with frames of foundation. You must be able to find the queen in the old hive and leave her in the old hive. The new hive can be set up nearby but not next to the old hive. The brood in the old hive must be moved together so that a gap is not left in the brood nest.The empty spaces at the sides can be filled with frames of foundation. On the new colony, feed, feed, feed. Also be sure to use an entrance reducer until the new colony has built up enough to protect itself. I do my splits in the afternoon and use a fair amount of smoke in order to get the bees to cling to the comb. At the new location the young nurse bees and hatching brood will stay with the new hive. The old field bees may drift back to the old location and that is OK. Before installing the new queen in the new hive, look at the brood frames to make sure the old queen did not get moved into the new hive. Of course this assumes you can spot a queen. Other methods work well too, but this is my favorite. One key thing is to have enough bees in the new hive that they can keep the brood warm and build up quickly. May the best of luck bee with you, Victor in Albuquerque, vcrimku@sandia.gov >From wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Sun May 5 13:44:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!mu rdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!wfs2z From: wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William F. Shaw) Subject: Re-using Funky Comb X-Nntp-Posting-Host: poe.acc.virginia.edu Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: uva Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:16:51 GMT Lines: 14 Greetings from central Virginia. I had a big hive die (v mites) in Winter, leaving me with much drawn comb. I plastic- bagged the hive bodies and routed them through the freezer to kill any moths and mites, then stacked and stored til now...And now I have a bunch of fermented material in uncapped comb, plus a lot of moldy comb, plus a lot of good capped comb. I don't want to discard all this drawn comb. Can I give the moldy comb to another expanding hive to clean up? Is fermented "honey" or its vapor harmful to bees? Can I give the fermented material - which also has good capped comb in the same frames to bees to clean up? Thx. >From s147728@studenti.ing.unipi.it Sun May 5 13:44:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!raf fles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net! oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!studenti.ing.unipi.it!s147728 From: Alfonso Brancaccio Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mozzarella di bufala campana Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:46:32 +0200 Organization: Universita' di Pisa Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: studenti.ing.unipi.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1873116360-830850392=:4050" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1873116360-830850392=:4050 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --0-1873116360-830850392=:4050-- >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: 30 Apr 1996 11:44:01 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4m4ue1$dmn@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net ASC (kconvy@olympic.net) wrote: > > I am currently working on a project and need some info. > regarding the "dance" that bees do in order to indicate > the direction of a pollen source. Don't get me started on this topic, again! :) Let's just say that all scientists don't agree on the purpose of the dancing, although it would seem to be involved with recruiting. Any decent library will have a book such as the "Hive and Honey Bee" which will tell you what you want. For the rest of the story consult "Anatomy of a Controversy" by Adrian Wenner and Patrick Wells. SB *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!newshub .cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:49:27 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 87 Message-ID: <4m3rkd$8u6@news3.cts.com> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <4m2qfk$28i@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Steve Bambara wrote: >This is a fun topic so I'd like to add a comment or two. >Not a safe assumption. Could they just be collecting water? Don't really know but it doesn't really matter why they're there, they just are. >> If you >> >mean what to the wasps look like they look like the normal mean wasps >I think Adam is trying to determine if they are dark blue metallic >mud daubers which don't (normally) sting. No, they're not dark blue but a brownish-red sort-of color. > You know, you never said whether anyone has ever been stung. Also, >have you ever thought of scooping them out and crushing them? After >a while, it is bound to make a difference. Yes, one person stung in my pool, one in a neighbor's. Possibly more that I don't know of. I have tried holding them under water with a net. It takes over 6 minutes for them to drown!!! have also crushed them. They just send back 2-3 more it seems. >> >, they seem to feel that they own the pool. > >You may have given them the pool, but I'm sure they don't own it. True. But with their potential sting, they're more likely to win a battle and, unfortunately they are also winning the war. >What time of year is this a problem? All year long in San Diego? No, just in the Spring and Summer. They started about 1-2 weeks ago and it will continue through September (unfortunately most of the swimming season for an unheated pool). >I also like Andy's suggestions below. >> >>1st. Bee's and I presume wasps, or mud dabbers need water, and mud if >>you have mud daubers. So provide a alternative site for water if you >>can even the bees would rather gather water for a small muddy pond >>then drown in your pool trying to get a drink. I've tried this too. However, they still land in the pool to drink instead of the other supply for some reason. They don't drown is the odd thing. They are quite capable of "sitting" on top of the water to drink and than fly away. They don't sink! >> >>2nd. The chlorine stinks does it not, if you can smell it the bees can >>and they are attracted to the chlorine in the water. Use the >>non-chlorine stuff that does not smell or burn your eyes. Doesn't seem to matter. I have puposly let the cholrine get very low but they still came back. My guess is that they see the water disturbed when we get in. Also, not sure I know of a non-chlorine which doesn't have a odor except a VERY expensive process which generates Ozone. >> >>And yes when you get into the pool more bees will come because you >>stir up the odors and they can smell it from farther away. The less >>use the less bees, but of course one is one too many in some cases. >> >>The mud daubers should not be a year around problem, but not knowing >>your area I can not say how long they will be around. Here it is just >>a few weeks most years. >> >> Hope that helps. ttul Andy- >Lastly, > Enjoy your pool. Don't be afraid of it! Not afraid of the pool. Just the %^&#$@!! wasps. >*************************************************************** >Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 >steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From fberron@diario1.sureste.com Sun May 5 13:44:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!n ews.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solari s.cc.vt.edu!FQDN!usenet From: "Federico Berron A." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED ABOUT VARROA MITE! Date: 30 Apr 1996 15:45:48 GMT Organization: A Poorly Internet Site. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4m5cjc$ev3@hp.fciencias.unam.mx> References: <4lkenk$jk4@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> <4ll5bt$k2m@usenet4.interramp.com> <4lnnio$l4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem21.sureste.com fberron@yucatan1.com.mx writes: Varroa just appeared in Yucatan and is decimating hives, because of two reasons: government insists on biological control and beekeepers are 7000 with average of 25 hives each, unorganized and very poor. Help is wanted on articles (like Journal of American Beekeeping-april or may 96) and experience. Visitors interested to help, welcome, we can arrange unexpensive stays. Too much on this mayan beekeeping peoples, since the spaniards 5 centuries ago, the mexican PRI government with 70 years in power (pale you soviets), africanized bee, chinese influence in world market prices, and now just when the latter were rising... VARROA. We need urgent action. All help must appreciated. FEDERICO BERRON A. >From fberron@diario1.sureste.com Sun May 5 13:44:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!howlan d.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!FQDN!usenet From: "Federico Berron A." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROA DECIMATING IN THE YUCATAN Date: 30 Apr 1996 15:53:22 GMT Organization: A Poorly Internet Site. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4m5d1i$ev3@hp.fciencias.unam.mx> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem21.sureste.com Varroa just appeared in the Yucatan, and is causing huge damage as beekeepers have not good support from official agencies, they are nearly 7000 with an average of 25 colonies each. We look to receive articles (as American Bee Journal april and may issues 96) which we will translate and pass to as many as we can. Also we can receive on site help and find unexpensive accomodations. Beekeeping is practically the main rural activity as the Yucatan is all a hard rock. We really cant imagine what will happen if it all passes away. All help will be appreciated. Federico Berron A. fberron@yucatan1.com.mx >From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun May 5 13:44:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!str at.enernet.com!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wholesale honey market Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 12:29:24 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 169 Message-ID: <4m5132$qhe@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <9604282019511831@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp13.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 (I'll quote the whole thing below, seeing as many newsfeeds are what they are... (One provider I use has 19 articles under this group, another has 4 !!!)) Andy makes some good points -- as always, and provides some useful facts. Moreover wintering losses up here in Canada are much greater than usual -- about double. In any market, prices will fluctuate, going down a bit, then up a bit as various buyer weigh in for their various reasons -- season, currency fluctuations, etc. What I guess is the unknown factor is the matter of *end user resistance*. Due to the nature of honey distribution, there is about a four to five month delay from the time that the beekeeper gets an increased price to the time that the price increase hits the consumer. The consumer's reaction will determine what ultimately happens to honey prices. We do not know a whole lot about the elasticity of the supply/demand curve -- especially in this newly elevated price territory. Until the results of theis 'experiment' come in, we'll all be guessing. -- After all, a year ago, who would have been guessing some of us would be turning up our noses at $1 per pound. (How soon we forget). There are a number of consumers: the export market, the industrial market, the grocery market, and the specialty market. Each one will have a different reaction to price increase, and that may change over time as the customer adjusts to the increase, and perhaps finds substitutes. The export markets of course break down into sub goups, just as the domestic markets do. Currency, seasonal, political, and cultural factors distinguish them. In the industrial markets (food manufacturers, bakeries, beverages, etc.) there may be a short term *inability* to switch away from honey due to formulations, contracts, packaging printed and on hand, etc. Whether honey provides a sufficient marketing advantage compared to other ingredients vs. the per unit cost will determine the degree of customer loyalty here. In the grocery markets, some shoppers are price conscious, and others have no idea what anything costs. The former group may resist buying temporarily or permanently, or buy because of previous plans, but modify the honey budget. What happens, time will tell. The buyers for the major chains defend and attack prices with great determination, and since honey is not an essential item in many stores, some brands stand in danger of being de-listed. The specialty market is interesting because it is not clear what further prices can be demanded for comb or gift packs in light of bulk price increases, inasmuch as these items are often priced by 'price point' methods, not by cost or competitive basis. Information on prices comes to a great extent from buyers who are presently shopping around. Some are more honest (candid) than others when it comes to what the true market conditions are. MArket activity in bulk honey tends to come in waves,as rumours circulate and various interests try to influence price. In the absence of orders and active buying interest, prices tend to slope off a bit, to again firm in the face of any renewed buying interest. Sometimes the lulls last days, sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and sometimes even years. Lately buying interest has been frequent, and the prices have been rising more than falling, and there is some considerable buyer interest in securing comittments for supplies, not only to get to the next harvest, but enough to be able to wait out the turbulence that is possible around that time. There is some speculation as to what would happen if there is a short crop -- or a surplus. It is difficult to plan for both, since there is no futures market in honey, and individual contracts are subject to so many abuses and defaults on both sides. So, it is interesting to watch, and to try to find a price level that provides maximum profit. I suppose the old saw applies here: "The bears make a little & the bulls make a little -- but the hogs get slaughtered". -------------------------------------------- In article <9604282019511831@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > >*FYI* OFF THE BEE-list >KJ>From: Kirk Jones > >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 18:16:50 -0400 > >Subject: wholesale honey market > >KJ>I would appreciate any reports of current pricing on wholesale loads of > >honey. Allen Dick reported lower prices on Argentine honey coming in. > >I missed that report, but there will be no new Argentine crop until >next November and much of that honey has moved into the market. Sue >Bee had to purchase 4+ million pounds which was "new" business for >Argentine honey. > >KJ>Some packers are offering contracts on this years crops. Anyone care to > >predict at what prices packers may offer in Sept-Oct? > >Honey packers in California are saying "big crop" here, this is far from >the truth and the crop will be much less then last year because of the >lack of rain from LA south, and that the area that can make up the big >crops is LA south. The Orange flow was cut short by cold weather here in >Central California and in Florida. Plant condition reports are not all >good from producing areas with some lateness of bloom due to local >weather conditions. The Dakotas are reported to look good, but Texas is >suffering from the lack of rain. Bee conditions overall are not great >with much makeup because of winter loss. > >KJ>With the honey loan program nixed(so I hear), I thought that the market may > >soften somewhat this fall, but may pick up at the end of the year. > >Yes, no LOAN program on honey, but it should not make that much >difference as there are still banks open. As for the market it's all >guess work as in the history of honey marketing we as producers have >never have experienced. You can be sure the packers will be doing >everything to force the market down. The consumption of all sugars >was up in 1995 world wide and is expected to be up another 4-5% this >year. > >KJ>One packer offered .90/lb. We're tempted to contract. > >That is a very good price and may be the highest price you have ever >received. But so is the gas you buy... Cash sales made last week for old >crop white honey (as private report) were still at $1.01 cents per >pound delivered, drums back. All in all, the price you sell for is the >market price and .90 cents ahead of production is very nice with this: > >WARNING!! > >Honey packers have a history of not honoring early contracts. "yor honey >is dark'er, wet'er, or whatever" So be sure you have a real contract and >know your buyer. If the price is higher then .90 cents you will not have >a worry. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci .com!realtime.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Bucks!! Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:54:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604300756161842@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 126 *FYI* You can also subscribe to this list mail, info at bottom. You do so at own risk. It should be noted that some of these lists are from "left wing" political groups and someday your government many come down on you because you may have subscribed and read this inflammatory rhetoric. ttul Andy- ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== April 29, 1996 Worldwide Pesticide Sales Increase in 1995 The top pesticide companies all recorded increases in dollar sales in 1995, according to Agrow: World Crop Protection News. Global agrochemical sales rose by 11.9% to almost US$29 billion the past year; however, discounting inflation and currency factors, growth in real terms is estimated to be 4.3%. Industry experts predict that the global agrochemical market will increase an average of 1.9% per year over the next five years. Ciba, a Swiss multinational corporation, was the leading agrochemical company with over US$3.2 billion in 1995 sales, an 11.2% increase over 1994. Ciba recently announced plans to merge with the Swiss multinational Sandoz to form a new corporation, Novartis. The two companies' agrochemical sales, which totaled more than US$4.4 billion in 1995, would be almost double that of their nearest rivals. According to Agrow, North America and Europe will account for approximately 60% of Novartis' sales, but the company plans to target Latin America and Asia as areas of future growth. In addition to becoming a dominating force in the agrochemical market, Novartis will also be the world's second largest seed company and plans to play a leading role in the introduction of genetically engineered seeds including maize, oilseeds, sugar beet, vegetables and flowers. Monsanto, a U.S. based multinational, ranked second with over US$2.4 billion in sales, an 11% increase over 1994 figures. Monsanto's herbicide Roundup (glyphosate) posted double-digit volume growth and was largely responsible for the total increase in sales. The company is nearing completion of an herbicide formulation and packaging plant in India, which according to Monsanto, is necessary to meet the rising demand for herbicides including glyphosate in India. Monsanto has also announced plans to acquire Agracetus, W.R. Grace's U.S. plant biotechnology business. Agracetus, a pioneering biotechnology company, produced the first transgenic varieties of cotton, soybeans, peanuts and certain other crops. Monsanto currently has licensing agreements for some of this technology; however, the acquisition will give Monsanto unlimited access to the technology and will eliminate the possiblity of future disputes over intellectual property rights. Of the top agrochemical companies, Bayer showed the largest growth in dollar sales with a 21.7% increase. The company rose from sixth to third place in Agrow's dollar sales ranking, with sales of over US$2.37 billion, and exceeded sales and profit targets set for its crop protection business in 1995. Bayer's sales greatly increased in the U.S., Asia and Latin America in the past year. Zeneca ranked fourth in dollar sales with sales valued at over US$2.36 billion. The company saw increases in both volume and value in all geographical regions and product categories, including a 10% growth in the U.S. market. Sales grew by more than 7% in China and Thailand, with a 50% increase in sales of Gramoxone (paraquat) in China. Zeneca has announced plans to merge its international seed business with Suiker Unie, a private Dutch agricultural cooperative. The new company, Zeneca-VanderHave, will rank among the world's top five seed companies. The German multinational AgrEvo had 1995 sales of over US$2.34 billion, ranking fifth with a 9% share of the global agrochemical market. Over 43% of AgrEvo's sales were in Europe in 1995; however, the company expects to expand sales in the U.S. and Asia in 1996. Within the next two years, AgrEvo sees its U.S. market share expanding with introduction of the herbicide glufosinate on herbicide-tolerant crops. Agrochemical sales of the leading companies Company Sales in US$ millions % change 1. Ciba 3,284 +11.2 2. Monsanto 2,472 +11.1 3. Bayer 2.373 +21.7 4. Zeneca 2,363 +12.3 5. AgrEvo 2,344 +14.6 6. DuPont 2,322 +8.9 7. Rhone-Poulenc 2,068 +14.6 8. DowElanco 1,962 +13.1 9. Amer. Cyanamid 1,910 +19.4 10. BASF 1,450 +15.3 11. Sandoz 1,125 +12.4 Sources: Agrow, March 1, March 15, March 29, April 19, 1996. 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That the still murmur of the honey bee >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.int ernetmci.com!realtime.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colos sus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wasp Question Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604290754081833@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> Lines: 153 P>From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) >Subject: Wasp Question P>I realize this probably isn't the correct place for this question but >I can't think of another one. I live in San Diego, Ca. and own a >swimming pool. The last two years (I've been here 18) wasps have >decided to use our (and neighbor's too) pool to get water for building >nests. We have NO IDEA where these nests may be. Is there any way to >keep the wasps away from the pool or diswade them? They are very >terratorial and, every time we go to get in the water, they show up, >landing on it and being aggresive. ANY suggestions helpful. It's >almost as if I should move as we really can't enjoy the pool at all. >Thanks in advance for ANY suggestions. Now here is some help and if it does not work or you need more information please write the author as he is almost in your area and a real nice guy. ttul Andy- YELLOW JACKET CONTROL Yellow jackets (Vespula spp. - colonial wasps), can pose a severe problem for people when these wasps aggressively seek food. (Remember, though, yellow jackets do pollinate plants, such as squash, and dispose of waste matter and thus are not all bad.) Early in the season meat is preferred; later they focus more on sweets. Normally, they are an annual species, with colonies started in the spring of each year by a single mated and overwintered queen. As the season progresses, nest sizes grow and can contain thousands of individuals by late summer or fall. In mild climates colonies can even overwinter. Effective control measures vary according to the circumstances. 1) At eating areas In a backyard, wasps can be kept under control by diligent use of traps (next section). Public picnic areas, however, have wasps already locked into the readily available food supply (messy previous picnickers). Bring along a fly swatter and eliminate the early arrivals - other wasps are then not recruited. Fortunately, individuals of many yellow jacket species are not aggressive when not near their nest. Wasps do not hesitate to go into soft drink cans or bottles, posing a problem for anyone not paying sufficient attention to their activities before taking another swallow. Neither do they hesitate to ride along on a meat sandwich as it is put into one's mouth. Watch out, also, for wasps attracted to meat covered hands, fingers, or utensils. If one places an effective trap (next section) 20-30 feet upwind from the picnic table, the foraging wasps, when shooed away by picnickers, continue to go upwind past the picnic table and end up in the trap . 2) Remote treatment Yellow jacket bait traps have been used more than a century, with one basic characteristic in design: Wasps will fly into a funnel (sometimes quite small) to get at the bait provided and then cannot get out of the transparent or translucent enclosure that incorporates the funnel. One can buy any variety of ready-made traps with a wide range of effectiveness. The following two companies (among others) have produced successful traps: Seabright Laboratories, 4026 Harlan Street, Emeryville, CA 94608, (800) 284-7363 or (415) 655-3126; Sterling International, Inc., P.O. Box 220, Liberty Lake, WA 99019, (800) 666-6766 [FAX: (509) 928-7313]. These commercial traps can become clogged with yellow jackets in a relatively short time during severe infestations, and then one must remove them. The problem then arises that live wasps may still be inside and pose a threat. In that case, one can place the trap in a freezer or an ice chest, wait until the cold immobilizes them, and then empty the trap. Alternatively, the trap can be placed in a paper or plastic bag just large enough to contain it. One can then spray a very small amount of electronic parts cleaner (e.g., Electric Parts Cleaner, CRC, Warminster, PA 18974; (215) 674-4300; Electric Motor Cleaner, Berryman, Arlington, TX 76011), one that contains 1-1-1 Trichloroethane, into the bag and close tightly for a few minutes. One can also construct a simple and safe trap at virtually no cost - an example follows. Start with a one gallon translucent milk bottle. With a razor blade, cut a couple of small slits downward from one point (three quarter inch across at the bottom), a little more than halfway up the sides. Bend the point so formed inward. Fashion part of a wire coat hanger into a hook at the bottom and thread it through a small hole punctured into the cap so that the hook will be down about halfway to the bottom of the bottle when inserted. Bend the top of the coat hanger piece so that it can be suspended from the lid. Fill the bottle about one-third full of soapy water. Then pierce a small piece of turkey ham, salami, or ham (small enough to go through the bottle opening) with the hook and put the lid, hook, and meat in place in the bottle's neck. Hang the bottle in a tree or bush upwind from the area where wasps are not wanted. You might also dig a hole and place the bottle in the ground so the dowiwind opening is at ground level (wasps often search along the ground for food). If no gallon bottles are available, a one-liter transparent soft drink bottle should suffice. 3) Nest location known (perhaps with more than one entrance) If one knows the location of a ground nesting colony (e.g., Vespula pennsylvanica), the entire colony can be exterminated quite easily by using nothing more than soapy water. Take care, though, because these wasps are highly defensive of their nest, usually allowing one to get no closer than about 10 feet before attacking. Some people prefer to treat the colony at dawn or late evening, when activity at the entrance is less than in mid-day. Fill an adjustable nozzle spray bottle with water, add one level tablespoon of liquid detergent, and shake. Set the spray nozzle on stream, approach >from downwind (also from downslope or protected by bushes, if possible), and spray wasps (guards as well as departing and returning individuals) at the nest entrance as fast as possible from a distance of 10-15 feet (practice at a target first to improve aim). Wear full protection, including a beekeeper hat and veil, if possible. Once all activity at the entrance has ceased, pour a bucket of soapy water into the ground through one of the entrances and block all entrances with a shovelful or two of dirt. 4) A take home poison When wasp infestations become severe, you may wish to use stronger measures. To reduce their numbers, one can lace a desired food with poison after yellow jackets become committed to that source of food. With this method, timing and procedure are somewhat critical. Expose marauding wasps to canned cat food, such as a shrimp and tuna mixture. Allow the number of foragers to build up into a "feeding frenzy." Then provide a second dish alongside the first, but one laced with a take home poison. Orthene (20 drops per small can of cat food) or KNOX OUT (trade name for a micro-encapsulated diazinon product; one-half teaspoon per can). Don't attempt to use straight diazinon, or the laced food will be rejected). Adrian M. Wenner Prof. Emeritus (Natural History) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara Santa Barbara, CA 93106 wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Essaim de Mai, Vache a LaitFrom lcs@zk3.dec.com Sun May 5 13:44:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton .openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!usenet From: Larry Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:35:42 -0400 Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3186334E.446B@zk3.dec.com> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nautilus.zk3.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; OSF1 T4.0 alpha) Andy Nachbaur wrote: > 2nd. The chlorine stinks does it not, if you can smell it the bees can > and they are attracted to the chlorine in the water. I think this is unlikely - more probably there is not _enough_ chlorine in the water. The recommended level of chlorine for a swimming pool should be enough to do in any bee inclined to drink it, thereby quickly removing _that_ gene from the pool, so to speak. However, it is very likely that if you don't have _enough_ chlorine in the pool, then not only will the water be potable for bees, but you will get a powerful odor of "chlorine" - which is actually choramines formed by the reaction of chlorine and pollutants in the water, it smells dreadful and provides absolutely no protection in the pool. A properly chlorinated pool has no detectable odor. You need at least 1 ppm of _free_ chlorine. I think that will solve the bee problem. If the water is cloudly at all, use a clarifier, and try to keep a cover on the pool during the day and at whenever you run the circulator - dirt in the water, sunlight, and agitation will all tend to eliminate the free chlorine, and will form smelly chloramines. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun May 5 13:44:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news feed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-using Funky Comb Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:23:55 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31864CAB.2D98@umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) William F. Shaw wrote: > > Greetings from central Virginia. > I had a big hive die (v mites) in Winter, > leaving me with much drawn comb. I plastic- > bagged the hive bodies and routed them through > the freezer to kill any moths and mites, then > stacked and stored til now...And now I have > a bunch of fermented material in uncapped comb, plus a > lot of moldy comb, plus a lot of good capped comb. > > I don't want to discard all this drawn comb. Can I give the > moldy comb to another expanding hive to clean up? > Is fermented "honey" or its vapor harmful to bees? > Can I give the fermented material - which also has good > capped comb in the same frames to bees to clean up? Thx. I have had much the same experience. Yes, you can give the crappy old stuff back to the bees, and they will do a great job of recycling it and making beautiful brood comb out of it. Moths are the major exception - if there is a lot of moth damage the bees will propolize all over it to cover it up. I cut out minor moth damage and give it to the bees to repair. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun May 5 13:44:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usen et From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa again! Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:40:06 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 30 Message-ID: <31865076.3BB2@umich.edu> References: <4m1k3i$s5j@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Kath wrote:. > > I have decided to post again with a more specific lot of queries which I > hope all you kind people can help me with ..... again! > > 1/ how has the varroa mite affected honey production and pollination > services in the US? > > 2/ how have mitacide residues affected the honey and bees wax with > reguards to production and sale? > > 3/ What affect has all this had on consumers/sales in the US? > 1) Varroa has almost wiped out feral bee colonies, and that of many beekeepers as well. From my personal experience, those that are left have produced record crops the last three years. I suppose that it is because of the lack of competition. Overall, though, production has declined somewhat in the US. I don't do pollination, but I understand that because of the lack of feral bees, pollination services are much in demand as well. 2) When used properly, there should be no miticide residue in the honey at all. Fluvalinate ( in Apistan) is not water soluble, and can only be spread to mites by direct bee contact. The strips must be removed before honey supers are put on the hive, and can only be reinstalled again after the honey is harvested. 3) To my knowledge, no effect. Honey prices to the producer are up. This may be partly due to mite depredations, but more likely are due to overall world supply/demand conditions. >From ccoplan@infi.net Sun May 5 13:44:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nwgw.infi.net!news.infi.net!pa5dsp3.richmond.in fi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supers-gettin' bees in Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:47:09 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pa5dsp3.richmond.infi.net I've had supers on for 2 weeks (Richmond VA - USA) and haven't been able to get the bees up in them. (They are undrawn foundation - I've got no drawn foundation) - but I did SPRAY the foundation with sugar water - which seemed to help a bit.... Any suggestions, or am I just at the mercy of the bees and whatever honey flow decides to come???? (I've top supered - if that makes a difference - and in this hive's 2nd year). PLEASE reply to Chris.Coplan@capitalone.com. I've not completely switched accts yet, but almost..... Also - I've got a new hive I started 4/1 this year and its filled one big super (hive body) w/brood and honey - I'd like to put one super on it - let them fill that - then give them their 2nd hive body for themselves - what do you think??? Thanks...Chris >From BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU Sun May 5 13:44:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!news-1.csn.net!news-2.csn.net!uucp-1.csn.ne t!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!magma.Mines.EDU!news From: BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU (Allen, Brian James ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Hunting Date: 30 Apr 1996 18:29:51 GMT Organization: COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES - ACADEMIC USERS Lines: 62 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4m5m6v$fm8@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: flint.mines.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Greetings, some time ago I was reading some trashy "killer bee" thriller the title of which I don't exactly recall right now. Anyway, the book was most certainly a piece of wild fiction, but described therin was a process which seems to be possibly based on fact. One of the characters engaged in a process he called "bee hunting" which was described in the book as an old but now rarely pursued practice. The character went into a flowered clearing in the early spring where there were a high number of foraging honeybees. He then set out a portion of anise (the liquer, my spelling may be incorrect) scented sugar water. Scout bees soon found the sugar water and brought reinforcements. When many bees were congregated around his bait, he began to mark them with fingernail polish. When these marked bees began returning, he would mark their line or lines of departure on a topgraphic map. Once one or more definate lines of departure had been established with compass on the map, he moved to another area some distance away and began the process again. Soon previously marked bees began returning to his bait and he was able to establish more lines of departure. By triangulation, he was able to come somewhat close to the area of feral hives, he then either visually located the hive or repeated the process. Once the hive was found, he intended to return in the fall, cut down the tree, and harvest the honey. (Of course the killer bees killed him as soon as he found the hive, it was trashy fiction after all.) Despite coming from a trashy novel, this process does seem possible, if somewhat impractical. Has anyone ever heard of anything similar to this? I thought I might give it a try just for fun some weekend, I do a lot of hiking anyway and this sounds like a good excuse for an aimless wandering. When bees fly back home after filling up, do they generally pretty much line of site back to the hive as implied by the book, or do they tend to follow land countours? If they do the latter, the process might work where I'm originally >from in the Nebraska flatlands, but not here in the front range of the rockie s. How long does it take a bee to fill up at a feeder, fly home and unload, then return to the feeder? It seems that this bee hunting thing could easily be an all day or even all weekend hunt. On the same topic, are their any other ways to find wild hives? As a youth, I attempted to follow numerous honeybees back to their hives, with zero success. Anyone ever actually done this? I did read a survival book once which advocated "glueing" a bit of milkweed silk or such to a fully loaded pollen gathering honeybee with a bit of pine pitch to slow down her flight and allow a poor lost starving hiker to find a wild hive. How this actual glueing was to be accomplished, I'm not exactly sure. Seems to me the bee would attempt to free herself on the spot before returning home, but maybe not. IT seems to me that a good method of finding wild hives would have been developed, if not by honey hunters, then either by beekeepers who want to eleminate sources of disease and competition for their hives or by biological researchers researching the spread of things like foulbrood and verroa. If anyone has any knowlege or experinece with the above methods of finding wild hives, I would be interested in hearing about it. Mostly I just have an academic interest, but I might try a little honey hunting if I get time. It appears all the surviving wild hives are probably going to die of Verroa problems in the next couple of years anyway, if they haven't already. Brian Allen >From J.JOHNSON@DELTEC.COM Sun May 5 13:44:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!scream.ing.com!news From: JAY JOHNSON Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Availability in Mpls, MN Area Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:10:33 -0500 Organization: SIMS DELTEC INC Lines: 14 Message-ID: <318665A9.4391@DELTEC.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.deltec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I would like to get bees this spring. I bought two packages from Twin City Bee Keepers and installed them on April 20th. One colony is doing well and the other has died out. The 12 degree night following installation appeared to have killed one colony. I would like to replace it. Twin City Bee Keepers is sold out for the season. What options do I have? Is there anyone who knows where I can buy a package of bees with a queen or an established colony. I am open to any suggestions. By the way I am a novice bee keeper with alot of energy and interest. I can be reached by e-mail at jay.johnson@deltec.com Thanks Jay Johnson Maple Plain, MN e-mail jay.johnson@delec.com >From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sun May 5 13:44:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demo n!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:50:33 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <4m2qfk$28i@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <4m3rkd$8u6@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> > >I've tried this too. However, they still land in the pool to drink >instead of the other supply for some reason. They don't drown is the >odd thing. They are quite capable of "sitting" on top of the water to >drink and than fly away. They don't sink! Is is practical to add a little liquid soap to your pool?, this should break the surface tension and the litle buggers should drown. Presumbly wasps are like bees and the returning wasp passes the location of your pool on to other wasps. Once you have drowned the insects that like your pool the problem should deminish. Tip.. don't swim with your mouth open. Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. >From b-man@aliens.com Sun May 5 13:44:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!coopnews.coop.net!news.dx.net! s153.aliens.com!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEEMAZAD (botanical insec Date: 30 Apr 1996 22:32:25 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <9604281204491825@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s153.aliens.com In article <9604281204491825@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > Hi All, > > Beekeeper's here are experimenting with a chemical product they > mix with sugar syrup at ratio's of 300 gallons sugar to 2 quarts > product and feed it to the bees in early spring to kill varroa mites. > The product sells for about $50. a gallon and is 0.25% Azadirachtin > (active ingredient). > > Have you heard anything about this product made by GRACE and sold > as NEEMAZAD 0.28 EC? ttul Andy- Hello Andy, Do you think this is another neem product, like Margosan-O? We are experimenting on a couple of my kid's hives with neem. Margosan-O was priced at about $50 a quart. We tried 6 ml per hive mixed with corn syrup last fall. We will try it again this spring and look for results. I'd like to hear more on this subject. Keep us posted. thanks, Kirk >From tonto@nac.net Sun May 5 13:44:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news3 .agis.net!agis!news.nac.net!not-for-mail From: "Todd A. Caldwell" Subject: [Fwd: Aspiring Beekeeper] Message-ID: <3186DB34.19C2@nac.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:32:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lines: 49 Message-ID: <317C0ADC.3236@nac.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:40:28 -0400 From: "Todd A. Caldwell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aspiring Beekeeper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 This year I have decided to take the plunge into hobbyist beekeeping. With no prior experience and many questions I would be greatly appreciative for any adv ice that you could provide. I am working with one base unit and one super. There are four pounds of Georgi a bees being delivered in May. The kit also came with a smoker, a feeder, a scra per and the necessary protective garments. These are some of the questions I have: - Are there any steps that can be taken to insure that the transplanted b ees take to their new home quickly? - On the hive, the size of the entrance can be adjusted. Does it matter what size is used? - How much honey can be harvested from a hive of this size and how much should be expected during the first year? - How much honey should be left for the bees' own consumption and the winter hold over? - How do you keep only 1 queen in your hive and how to determine when she should be substituted by a younger one? - What are the steps to keep bees happy, productive and disease free? - Most of the FAQs that I see are about advanced topics. Is there a list or site that specializes in beginner questions. Any advice on these topics or any other information that you could give would -be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Todd Caldwell (tonto@nac.net) >From estockwell@aol.com Sun May 5 13:44:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com !newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estockwell@aol.com (EStockwell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA DECIMATING IN THE YUCATAN Date: 30 Apr 1996 20:00:08 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 68 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4m69i8$qll@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4m5d1i$ev3@hp.fciencias.unam.mx> Reply-To: estockwell@aol.com (EStockwell) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com My husband and I have been keeping our hives for over 10 years now against trachael mites and varroa mites without chemicals. We first encountered acarapis woodi in the early 1980s and varroa mites came officially into our area in 1992. They say you have to treat with chemicls, but this is not true. To fight both does not take much money but a lot of patience and work. Basically, cull drone brood to less than 10% of each hive, make sure your brood combs are the old world standard size of I'd say for your area of 856 sq decimeter, no bigger than 800 sq decimeter. We just spent 10 years retrogressing our bees back onto the old world size brood combs to combat mites. As a side effect you will find that when you do so chaulk broods will drop off and so will foul brood infestations. We do not use TM to treat anymore. We use propolis patties. Why? because propolis patties are a natural anitbotic for all virul, fungal, and bacterial infections in the bee hive and before a queen bee can lay an egg, the nurse bees must first coat the inside of the brood cell with a clean layer of propolis before she can lay. If you use chemical treatments, in the long run you will contaminate your combs and honey. First the brood combs and your bees will start to die from chemical contamination because propolis has a high affinity for absorbing all chemicals. Much more so than beeswax. This is why as beekeepers use fulvalinate in 3-5 years they run into problems because the wax is letting off residues it absorbs but more importantly, the propolis has become contaminated causing direct contact on the eggs and larva and more and more brood suffers and eventually dies. It takes 4-6 years to breed through varroa and 3-5 years to breed through trachael mites. With both it will take approx 6-7 years. If you use queens that are raised and aclamated to your area and you can get to three brood boxes, cull drone brood down to natural levels you should have no problem in breeding thru the situation. It is only when you get stupid and don't want to take the initial cut of suceptable stock that you run into problems. On small comb with queens raised to match by your latitude you should bottom out with 30-40 percent of your base bee stocks in place. Then pot progressive, 30% splits to about 50% splits to 75 % etc. Never make up nucs with less than one full deep box of brood with accompanying pollen and honey. Practice survival breeding because if you don't, you will always be in a crap shoot in that if you buy someone elses bees you will always have to resituate them to your area with its natural flora to let them settle out. for more info write: Dee Lusby 3832 east Golf Links Rd,. Tucson, Az 85713. info from Dee Lusby via Ed Stockwell EStockwell >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news .PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED BEANs Save the BEES Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:55:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604301730331843@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 181 BEANS, beans the musical fruit comes in time of need to the keepers of bees! Or is it all just passing gas? ì”ì This ì”ì post ì”ì is ì”ì a ì”ì follow up! California.... Beekeeper's here are experimenting with a chemical product they mix with sugar syrup at ratio's of 300 gallons sugar to 2 quarts product and feed it to the bees in early spring to kill varroa mites. The product sells for about $50. a gallon and is 0.25% Azadirachtin (active ingredient). Have you heard anything about this product made by GRACE and sold as NEEMAZAD 0.28 EC? ************************Follow UP*********************** NORTHERN AGRICULTURE RESEARCH CENTRE Français (this is English) Research Branch Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada P.O. Box 29 Beaverlodge, Alberta T0H 0C0 Tel. (403) 354-2212 Fax (403) 354-8171 EM OTTB::EM380MAIL Internet EM380MAIL@ABRSBL.AGR.CA Apiculture pathology T.P. Liu, Ph.D. Apiculture (seconded out) T.I. Szabo, Ph.D. The Northern Agriculture Research Centre (NARC) improves production systems for crops, honey bees, and other pollinating insects adapted to environmental conditions in northwestern Canada. It also develops technology for managing the soil, water, and climatic resources of the region, for a productive and sustainable agricultural industry. The centre has breeding programs in canola, wheat, and honey bees. Our major crops are * cereal grains * pulse crops * forage seed production * oilseeds. The Fort Vermilion field site develops crop management systems for oilseeds, cereals, and pulse crops. Achievements ì”ì This ì”ì looks ì”ì real ì”ì good ì”ì ..... Controlling chalkbrood disease of honeybees It's an environmentalist's dream: a natural pesticide found in the seeds of the neem, one of the most common trees in India and Burma. Neem extract controls diseases and pests of crops, yet leaves pollinating insects and mammals unharmed. Neem extract was tested and results showed that treated colonies had 350% less chalkbrood and 100% less nosema than control colonies. Treated colonies also collected 3.5 times more pollen and produced 1.5 times more honey. ----------------------------------OLd Drone Comments-------------------- The Honey Producer in me says: *WOW 1 and 1/2 more honey, up the mites, we all should be feeding this chemical and get the increase in honey production, have cleaner bees, and any residue in the honey will cure MS along with a few bee stings in the right places.........after all it a natural poison. AND The farmer Almond grower who pays me says: **HOT DOG, up the mites, up the honey, up the people, collecting 3.5x the pollen, HOT DOG! How much of this stuff do you need.. _________________________end of comment------------------------------- Biological control of tracheal mites in the honey bee Breeding honey bees that are resistant to tracheal mites is the most desirable approach to reducing the damage caused by infestations of this pest. Biological control of tracheal mite infestation may be another attractive alternative. A DNA virus has been found in tracheal mites taken from honey bees. When this virus was introduced into mite-infected colonies, the infestation level decreased from 23.7% to 5.2% within 2 months. -------------------------More added------------------------------- ** I must add to this that without looking at what exactly happened in the controls in this piece of work one must remember that the tracheal mites are infamous for spontaneous remission in numbers of mites making it very hard to derive reliable information or control stratagems. It may be that this virus is present and is naturally triggered by some environmental input that may or may not be controlled. -------------------------end of off the wall comments-------------- NARC has a staff of 50 full-time equivalents, with 16 in the professional categories. The center controls 390 ha of land at two sites and rents about 35 ha of land a year for research. In addition, NARC manages the Fort Vermilion field site, which owns 187 ha of land and rents about 3 ha of land for research. Operation is on a growing season basis only. NARC manages a budget of $3.3 million. It has a 12-person advisory committee consisting of farmers and provincial and university leaders. The centre supplements its resources by receiving funds from outside agencies, including the provinces, producer groups, and agri-business. Research Publications Fairey, D.T. 1993. Pollination of Trifolium hybridum by Megachile rotundata. J. Appl. Seed Prod. 11:34-38. Fairey, D.T. 1993. Pollination and seed set in herbage species: a review of limiting factors. J. Appl. Seed Prod. 11:6-12. Fairey, D.T.; Lefkovitch, L.P. 1993. Bombus and other bee pollinators in Trifolium hybridum seed fields. J. Appl. Seed Prod. 11:87þ-89. Fairey, D.T.; Lefkovitch, L.P. 1993. Arrangement of new and used nesting materials in leafcutting bee, Megachile rotundata (F.), shelters to maximize cell production. J. Appl. Entomol. 115:62-65. Fairey, D.T.; Lefkovitch, L.P. 1994. Collection of leaf pieces by Megachile rotundata: proportion used in nesting. Bee Sci. 3(2):79-85. Fairey, N.A.; Lefkovitch, L.P. 1994. Herbage production as influenced by stand arrangement, nitrogen fertility and supplemental water. Can. J. Plant Sci. 74:115-120. Grant, G.A.; Nelson, D.L.; Olsen, P.E.; Rice, W.A. 1993. The þ Elisa" detection of tracheal mites in whole honey bee samples. Am. Bee J. 133:652-655. Li, M.; Nelson, D.L.; Sporns, P. 1993. Determination of menthol in honey by gas chromatography. J. AOAC Int. 76(6):1289-1295. Liu, T.P.; Chu, L.T.Y.; Sporns, P. 1993. Formic acid residues in honey in relation to application rate and timing of formic acid for control of tracheal mites, Acarapis woodi (Rennie). Am. Bee J. 133:71-721. Liu, T.P.; McRory, D. 1994. The use of gamma radiation from Cobalt-60 in a commercial facility in Ontario to disinfect honey bee equipment. 1. American foulbrood disease. Am. Bee J. 134:203-206. Liu, T.P.; Nasr, M.E. 1993. Preventive treatment of tracheal mites, Acarapis woodi (Rennie) with vegetable oil extender patties in the honeybee, Apis mellifera L. colonies. Am. Bee J. 134:873þ-875. Mills, P.F. 1994. The agricultural potential of northwestern Canada and Alaska and the impact of climatic change. Arctic 47(2):115-123. Nelson, D.; Sporns, P.; Kristiansen, P.; Mills, P. 1993. Effectiveness and residue levels of 3 methods of menthol application to honey bee colonies for the control of tracheal mites. Apidologie 24:549-556. Szabo, T.I. 1993. Brood rearing in outdoor wintered honey bee colonies. Am. Bee J. 133(8):579-580. Szabo, T.I. 1993. Length of life of queens in honey bee colonies. Am. Bee J. 133(10):723-724. Szabo, T.I. 1993. Selective breeding of honey bees for resistanct to Varroa jacobsoni. Am. Bee J. 133:868; Can. Beekeep. 17(10):222. *Ripped of the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada web page, edited to save band width. ttul OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. Not a invitation to use or an endorsement of any product legal or not legal. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ What is not good for the swarm is not good for the bee! >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!newshub .cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 01:21:39 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4m6ebu$rbb@news3.cts.com> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <3186334E.446B@zk3.dec.com> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com Larry Smith wrote: >Andy Nachbaur wrote: >> 2nd. The chlorine stinks does it not, if you can smell it the bees can >> and they are attracted to the chlorine in the water. >I think this is unlikely - more probably there is not _enough_ chlorine >in the water. The recommended level of chlorine for a swimming pool >should be enough to do in any bee inclined to drink it, thereby quickly >removing _that_ gene from the pool, so to speak. However, it is very >likely that if you don't have _enough_ chlorine in the pool, then not >only will the water be potable for bees, but you will get a powerful >odor of "chlorine" - which is actually choramines formed by the reaction >of chlorine and pollutants in the water, it smells dreadful and provides >absolutely no protection in the pool. A properly chlorinated pool has >no detectable odor. You need at least 1 ppm of _free_ chlorine. I >think that will solve the bee problem. If the water is cloudly at all, >use a clarifier, and try to keep a cover on the pool during the day and >at whenever you run the circulator - dirt in the water, sunlight, and >agitation will all tend to eliminate the free chlorine, and will form >smelly chloramines. Wish you were right on this too, but experience shows otherwise. I have tried normal chlorination and super chlorination (when normally called for anyway to shock the pool). Wassps don't seem to care one bit either way! >From gkendall@shell.wco.com Sun May 5 13:44:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hsno.wco.com!news.wco.com!shell!gkendall From: gkendall@shell.wco.com (Greg Kendall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: 1 May 1996 02:33:15 GMT Organization: West Coast Online, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4m6ihb$jl2@news.wco.com> References: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com In article <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> ASC (kconvy@olympic.net) writes: > give me a more detailed description or point me to a > book which could offer help? Might as well go right to THE source: "The Dance Language and Orientation of Bees" Karl Von Frisch, Harvard University Press ISBN 0-674-19051-3 (paperback) 0-674-19050-5 (cloth) >From sal@speakeasy.org Sun May 5 13:44:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne wsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews2.nwnet.net!speakeasy.org!usenet From: SAL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: E.O. Wilson is coming to Seattle Date: 1 May 1996 03:12:56 GMT Organization: Seattle Arts & Lectures Lines: 73 Message-ID: <4m6kro$eoe@eve.speakeasy.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01.speakeasy.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hello, I'm passing the word on that the great naturalist, EDWARD O. WILSON, is coming to Seattle on Tuesday, May 14th. This promises to be one of the finest natural science lectures in the Northwest this year. I've included more details below. Seattle Arts & Lectures is presenting an evening with Harvard professor and insect expert Edward O. Wilson, on Tuesday, May 14th. Twice a Pulitzer Prize winning entomologist, E.O. Wilson is also one of the scientific community's most prominent and vocal naturalists in support of biodiversity. The evening with Dr. Wilson will be held at the 5th Avenue Theatre, 1308 Fifth Avenue (between Union and University streets) at 7:30 PM. A mixture of loneliness, amusement, curiosity, and intellectual rigor makes the voice of this thoughtful man unforgettable. -The New York Times Book Review Edward O. Wilson's fascination with nature began on the shoreline of Paradise Beach, Florida and rural Alabama, where he spent his childhood, and led him towards a forty-year career as a professor of zoology at Harvard University. His unwavering 'antlike' penchant for scientific research has inspired many books whose titles alone reflect his challenging intellect and roving curiosity: Sociobiology: The New Synthesis (1975), Promethean Fire: Reflections on the Origin of the Mind (1983), and The Diversity of Life (1992). He has twice won the Pulitzer Prize (for On Human Nature, 1978, and The Ants, 1990), and is a recipient of the prestigious National Medal of Science and the Orion Society's 1995 John Hay Award "for consistently bridging the humanities and the sciences to the considerable enhancement of both." Wilson is also known to public television viewers for his exploratory programs on Nova. For Seattle Arts & Lectures, Dr. Wilson's talk is entitled, "The World's biological Wealth." Single tickets to Mr. Wilson's lecture are available by mail order, credit card phone order, and at local bookstores (see below). Open seating tickets are priced at $15 (balcony) and $18 (main floor). Please address mail orders to Seattle Arts & Lectures, 105 South Main Street, Suite #200, Seattle, WA 98104. Remaining tickets will be sold at the box office the evening of the event. Balcony tickets only are available through the following independent bookstores: Bailey/Coy Books, Beks Bookstore, Blackbird Books, Eagle Harbor Book Co., Elliott Bay Book Co., Fremont Place Book Co., Island Books, Kay's Bookmark, Madison Park Books, Magnolia's Bookstore, Queen Anne Avenue Books, Second Story Books, and Wide World Books & Maps. The evening with Edward O. Wilson is made possible with the support of University Bookstore INFORMATION AND CREDIT CARD ORDERS: 621-2230 Adrienne Reed (206) 621-2230 Seattle Arts & Lectures Presents Naturalist, Educator and Author >From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Sun May 5 13:44:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!hubcap.clemson. edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 30 Apr 1996 17:50:02 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4m5jsa$k0k@hubcap.clemson.edu> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <4m2qfk$28i@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <4m3rk d$8u6@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: peterw@cts.com's message of Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:49:27 GMT A few more points about the wasps-in-the-pool thread: 1) Traps are likely to be your best bet. Grenadine syrup is highly attractive to wasps and yellowjackets. I'd bet, BTW, that your wasps are some variety of Polistes, the ones that build paper nests under eaves, under picnic tables, and in my personal experience, inside one's boat, leading to some interesting decision-making once one is upon the water... Use lots of traps, clean them out frequently, and realize that you're going to be managing the population to minimize the risk; you're probably not going to be able to eliminate the problem. Also, check around your property and see if there are any nests that could be the source of the pool- invaders. 2) Mixing pesticides with food to make your own bait is a bad BAD _BAD_ idea. It's also illegal. There are several possible less-than-desireable outcomes (and yes, I know that USDA has a special use registration to use Orthene in sugar water to control feral Africanized bees. That's not what we're talking about, here.) You could poison the neighbor's cat, the neighbor's dog, animals or birds of various kinds with the cat-food stunt. The Orthene-in-sugar-water trick is highly effective on bees, and may get anything else that drinks the water. If I were an attorney I'd love to have someone bring me a beloved-family-pet-dead-from-an- illegal-use-of-deadly-pesticides case. I've seen a couple of these >from my perspective as a pesticide regulator, and it's plumb amazing how the value of an animal increases as it approaches room temperature. The orthene trick will clean your neighborhood out of bees, also. It's hard to prove enough to be able to prosecute, but it sure makes for some ugly scenes. Try the bait. And scout for the nests and get rid of them. Good luck! Regards, Cam Lay Sr. Pesticide Regulatory Specialist Clemson University Dept. of Pesticide Regulation Credentials provided only to establish credibility; I am not speaking for Clemson University or the DPR. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howl and.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!a damf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 4/96 Date: 1 May 1996 11:14:20 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 305 Message-ID: <4m7h2c$dt1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: April _Apis_ Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 4, April 1996 Copyright (c) 1996 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" TOWARD HONEY BEE DOMESTICATION--THE VARROA CONNECTION 1987 was a pivotal year in U.S. beekeeping. Introduction of the Varroa mite in October sent a shock wave through the beekeeping community that reverberates to this day (see October 1987 APIS). It has meant changes in management practices, increases in operating expenses and losses of many honey bee colonies. Paradoxically, it has also ushered in renewed opportunities for beekeepers in the pollination area, as growers and others noticed reduced numbers of honey bee pollinators in the environment (see July 1995 APIS). So far, only anecdotal information and "guesstimates" have been made about the full impact of Varroa on unmanaged honey bee populations. Given the dynamics of the situation, we probably will never know the full story. It is clear that a new kind of honey bee management is emerging from the parasitizing effects of the Varroa bee mite. Two kinds of beekeepers can now be identified; those with experience "before Varroa," and those who began apiculture "after Varroa." Persons in the latter category cannot appreciate the relative laissez-faire beekeeping possible in the past. This state of affairs is also being reflected in the bees themselves. No longer able to exist in large numbers in the wild, these insects are being pushed toward a greater reliance on humans that can only be called "domestication." According to Dr. D.F. Morey, "Some time in the past 12,000 or so years, most of humankind began to experience a profound shift in life style. Stone Age hunters and gatherers of wild foodstuffs started to cultivate plants and raise animals for their own use." (The Early Evolution of the Domestic Dog, American Scientist:82, Jul-Aug, 1994, pp. 336-347). Given the role of animal and plant domestication in human welfare, Dr. Morey says, there is no surprise to find argument about what it really is, how it originated and why. There are two theories on the subject: 1) domestication was a rational decision by people to raise, cultivate and manipulate organisms, or 2) domestication was the consequence of evolutionary chang in physiology (processes) and morphology (structure) by organisms in response to a new ecological niche--association with humans. Dr. Morey concludes that the former of the above questions is flawed because it focuses on the human role in the process. An evolutionary model, he says, is more scientific and would include not only morphological, but behavioral changes not necessarily the result of human action. The major problem, Dr. Morey concludes, is that we cannot get into an early human's brain to figure out what was being thought at the time. The dog is likely the first domestic animal Dr. Morey says and provides some insight into how it indeed has changed to adapt to living with humans. A range of other animals along with their time of domestication is published in a chart accompanying Dr. Morey's article. Significantly, no insect appears. Two possible candidates would be the silk worm and honey bee. Most beekeepers know the history of the latter, a creature that historically resisted domestication at every turn and to which humans had to adapt. As far as we know, few changes occurred in either honey bee structure or behavior to accommodate to humans similar to those in the domestic dog. This is in spite of the fact that both organisms have been associated with humans for almost as long. The coming of Varroa, however, may signal an end to this historic independence of honey bees from humans. Wild colonies are declining and managed ones need beekeepers far more than ever before to survive the devastating effects of the mite. And unlike with early humans domesticating the dog, we can determine intent. Beekeepers could simply let all colonies infested with Varroa go without treatment. It would take a great many years, but in the end a mite-resistant or -tolerant bee would emerge. Instead, humans keep honey bee colonies alive by chemical intervention because they are valuable to us for a number of reasons, a clear case of willful domestication. THE AFRICANIZED HONEY BEE--A RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH? The coming of the Africanized honey bee has prompted a review of the possible human health risks posed by this insect. Dr. M.J. Schumacher and N.B. Egen, Department of Pediatrics, University of Arizona College of Medicine, Tucson, AZ, published their findings on this important topic (ARCH INTERN MED: Vol. 155, pp. 2038-2043) in October 1995. The paper describes the effects of the venom, evaluation and treatment of multiple bee stings (toxic envenomation) and the recognition, management and prevention of allergic reactions to Africanized bee stings. The last topic above also includes European honey bees, for the authors conclude there is little difference between the venoms of the races. Both have almost equal amounts of similar major components: melittin, phospholipase A2 (PLA2), hyaluronidase, apamin, histamine and mast cell degranulating peptide. This means that there is little difference between risk to humans posed by the venom of either Africanized or European bees. The major difference between the two bee types, according to the authors, is the possibility of mass attack, shown to be more prevalent in Africanized honey bees. Many individual stings can result in poisonous (toxic) reactions to the venom that are not related to allergy. And such reactions (toxic envenomation) can occur from as few as 50 stings. Studies of specific incidents show that the dose of venom per body weight is extremely important in determining subsequent effects. Specific symptoms and treatment for toxic envenomation are described by the authors. Things can also get more complicated when both envenomation and allergic reactions occur together, according to the authors. It may not be easy to determine which is in fact occurring, and they recommend treating for both conditions if in doubt. The article gives advice on prevention of both envenomation and anaphylaxis (allergic reaction). In particular the authors recommend education programs to alert the public about what to do in case of attack: outrun the bees and cover the mouth and nose prevent airway stings. They say only trained personnel should attempt to remove established bee nests in areas of Africanized bees, and people enjoying outdoor recreation should always be on the alert. Most at risk are workers who clear vegetation or cut tall weeds and grass with machinery. Athough massive stinging attacks by Africanized honey bees are now rare, this bee may spread to warmer areas, the authors concede. Treatment of severe toxic reactions to multiple stings should include management of shock and possible organ damage. And patients with trivial allergy could be more at risk from anaphylaxis because of multiple stings. Any physician treating bee stings could do well to have this article on hand for its relevant, complete and up-to-date information. I will send a copy to anyone upon request. SEX DETERMINATION--WHITHER THE Y? The genetics of honey bees is complex and confusing. The queen honey bee, a single individual, is the source of all the eggs in a colony, half the genetic material of any individual worker bee and the full amount provided to every drone. In the worker's case, the other half of their genetic material is donated by the drone in the form of sperm; the queen mates with several drones (see following article). She stores their sperm in her body until it is needed. This system results in a colony of several related subfamilies with the same queen mother, but different fathers. Each subfamily may also have a different penchant for certain work in a colony. For example, there may be nectar foraging, pollen foraging and undertaking specialties in these groups, reminiscent of guilds or professions in human society. The queen honey bee has the ability to choose whether or not to fertilize each egg she produces. All fertilized eggs become females in a colony; they are characterized by 16 pairs of chromosomes (32 total). This organization composed of chromosome pairs is called diploid. Drones are produced only from unfertilized eggs, a process called parthenogenesis. They are haploid, having only one-half the number of chromosomes (16 total) that have no complementary pairs. This honey bee genetic system, therefore is named as a combination of both conditions, haplodiploid . It results in interesting things such as half sisters, super sisters and on rare occasions, diploid drones. For social insects, haplodiploidy allows individuals to give up their lives through "altruistic" behavior with a minimum loss of their own genetic contribution. It also results in a supremely female society, a matriarchy of the first order where males a relegated to a relatively minor role. They not only become expendable during the mating act, but are the first members of the colony to be eliminated in the face of stressful environmental conditions. The genetic system in humans is quite different. All eggs are fertilized, so all individuals are diploid. Sex determination is the result of combinations of two sex chromosomes, the X and Y. If an X and Y come together, a male results; two X's become a female. Pretty simple. And, as Kenneth Miller suggests in "Whither the Y" (Discover, February 1995, pp. 36-41), his Y chromosome has dominance in all cases, whether it be use of the male pronoun when gender is unknown or immediate access to jobs, promotions and raises in what some call "good-old-boy circles." In addition, the male surname is also the default bestowed on any female becoming married in most western human societies. Male gender was a defining force in school, Mr. Miller says, where he learned that boys did indeed have something that girls lack, even in their genes. If a Y chromosome exists, for example, no matter how many X's there might be in humans, the male sex prevails, Mr. Miller says, ensuring human male supremacy. Here is his vision of fertilization: "I imagined the poor little passive X chromosome just waiting to see whether the lucky sperm...carried an X or a Y. In either case, the X had to wait for the male to show up and make the decision. The Y really is the boss." Although perhaps dominant, however, unlike a single X chromosome, the Y cannot go it alone. It requires an X for development to continue, Mr. Miller says, his ego somewhat deflated. That's because the X carries many genes required for muscle development, blood clotting and color vision. Unfortunately, Mr. Miller is forced to conclude, the human Y chromosome turns out to be a genetic wimp, carrying only 15 genes to the 1,500 to 5,000 found on the X. The puny Y is a result of a Faustian bargain Mr. Miller says, quoting Dr. William Rice, University of California, Santa Cruz. Not only do the X and Y chromosomes become different over time (the Y loses genes as it becomes more "self-centered"), but the Y also loses its genetic repair mechanism in the bargain. Presence of the small Y limits protection from defective genes that may be found on the X, the reason color blindness, hemophilia, Duchennes muscular dystrophy and many other conditions occur mainly in men. The two more robust X chromosomes in females can often recombine with each other to fix errors that might occur due to mutations or other factors. The Y, however, has very few genes to compensate for (complement) mutations on the X and this all-important recombining ability is compromised. Thus, Mr. Miller says, "...the Y accumulates one mistake after another as it is passed from father to son...shrinking in function, until nearly all but the sex- determining gene has been discarded." Mr. Miller concludes that this process could elminate the Y chromsome altogether. The defining genetic feature of human maleness, therefore, might not be the presence of something, but lack of it--a chromsome. The result: a species where females are XX and males are XO. This has already happened in some fruit flies and fish. Mr. Miller mourns what he sees as the eventual loss of the Y chromosome and suggests that the male pronoun rule and other privileges are nothing more than logical compensation for the genetic weakenesses endured by men. Taken to the extreme, could male humans end up like male fruit flies, as Mr. Miller fears? Or even worse, like honey bee drones? My sources say it's not likely. Although XO's are males, so are XY's, the normal situation in some fruit fly species. More significantly, only the sex chromosomes are involved, the rest of those in the body do not have the same dynamics. Drone honey bees are a different kettle of fish. They are effectively XO in the strictist sense for all genes. With only a single set of chromosomes, none have a complement, leaving all of them unprotected against deleterious genetic change on the X chromosome. HOW MANY DRONES? How do we know what we know? This question can plague the educator who is supposed to be on top of things. It stops us cold at times. We have said it for so long, it seems like second nature. Yet, often we don't really know its source. Take the following question, for example. How many drones mate with a queen during the brief time when she is receptive? I usually say 10 to 15, perhaps 17 when I'm expansive. Thanks to Steve Taber, retired from the U.S. Department of Agriculture for many years, but who continues to write in American Bee Journal, I now know where this information comes from. In his recent article (April 1966, pp 261-2), Mr. Taber gives us the scoop, not in spades, but in marbles. For after all is said and done it becomes a statistical question. Mr. Taber put it this way to a statistician: "Given: a large container with black and white marbles, (the marbles represent marked and unmarked drones), which are well shaken up, you reach in with a scoop and withdraw some and record whether the marbles are either all black, all white or of both colors. At the end of several hundred of these samples the question is asked, 'What is the average number of marbles in each scoop sample?' Of course the 'scoop' represents the queen on a mating flight." The results from Mr. Taber's data and investigations into the matter agree with those of some other studies. The conclusion is a happy one. It vindicates what we educators "knew" all along. Queens mate with about 10 drones on the average during their mating period. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1995 "All Rights Reserved" -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From NateS@svi.org Sun May 5 13:44:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!smart1. svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hunting Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:00:51 -0700 Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3186FE13.1406@svi.org> References: <4m5m6v$fm8@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsy.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) To: "Allen, Brian James" Allen: Sounds like it could work, but I'm no bee expert. A couple things come to mind. First, I recall watching a Public Television special about a tribe in Africa that would hunt wild hives. >From what I recall, they would actually follow a certain species of bird, rather than the bees. I believe this species of bird was known to raid hives often. Upon the location of the wild hive, the hunter would provide the bird with an offering of honeycomb. So, there are other methods in use. On a more personal note... I've been relatively successful at locating wild hives by sound. After a number of years of beekeeping, I've become familiar with the particular buzz of bees. If I remember my science correctly, honeybee have a particular wing speed. This beat rate produces a distinct pitch (subject to slight change if the bee is flying towards you or away from you). Anyway, if you keep your eyes and more importantly, your ears open, you might have better luck. This might also be interesting as a high tech honey hunting method. If you could develop a device which detected the particular bee tone, you might be able to locate a hive with a high power microphone. Just an idea. nate Allen, Brian James wrote: > If anyone has any knowlege or experinece with the above methods of finding wi ld > hives, I would be interested in hearing about it. Mostly I just have an > academic interest, but I might try a little honey hunting if I get time. It > appears all the surviving wild hives are probably going to die of Verroa > problems in the next couple of years anyway, if they haven't already. > > Brian Allen >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!newshub 1.internex.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.na chbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee moving! Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 02:02:00 GMT Message-ID: <9604302250351848@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 50 Bee Moving, Hawaiian style. *FYI* Just in case you don't get the BEE-List. ---------------------------------------- From: MR MARK G SPAGNOLO Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:00:12 -0500 Subject: bee moving! Hello: I am new to the Bee-L, and have been enjoying your recent discussions. Yesterday's correspondence on bee moving was interesting. I work at Kona Queen Hawaii. We move 2500 two high hives twice a year by hand! I thought you might add my experience and comments to the discussion. The terrain in Hawaii is very rough. We are forced to use 1 ton or 3/4 ton four wheel drive trucks. This limits our loads to between fifty and 100 hives. Moving 2500 hives 100 at a time takes quite a while and we are well practiced! We load all our hives just before sunset. Two guys to a load. The hives are not closed. When the flight stops (shortly before sunset) the hive entrances are smoked and all hives are loaded. The entrances face forward. Two strong guys can load 100 hives in less than half an hour. The loads are then tied securely and covered with a net. The trucks are then parked under the sprinkler for the night. Hawaiian night temeratures are rarely below 65 degrees, but the water keeps the bees in the hive. In the morning the hives are unloaded in their new locations. We try to unload just as the sun is rising. You don't want to wait too long! We have good success with this method, although I have had few disasters. One particular situation involving a long wait in heavy traffic due to a car accident comes to mind. Bees everywhere. I also remember being lost and driving around a sugar cane field in the rain looking for the location. Not fun. Mark at Kona Queen Hawaii document1 >From mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Sun May 5 13:44:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.c om!news.dtc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!mdr From: mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Bees, Apis and non apis species Sender: news@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Usenet News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:45:17 GMT References: <4m1smn$f3@inferno.mpx.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsmith.hpl.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0.7] Lines: 20 Peter Murphy (pjmurphy@mpx.com.au) wrote: > Can anybody tell me if there are any non Apis species of bees in Europe, if > so how many and how long have they existed together with the Apis species? > A tall order I know but maybe someone out there knows or knows where to look, > any help appreciated. There are literally hundreds of species. Most are solitary but there are several tens of species of bumblebees which are all colonial (apart >from a number of Psithyrus species which parasitize other bumblebees). Honey bees and most, at least, of the non-apis species are indigenous so they have, presumably, been present at least since Europe warmed up after the last ice age. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Bristol Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol, BS12 6QZ, UK Tel: +44 117 922 9331 Fax: +44 117 922 8920 >From Peter@namron.demon.co.uk Sun May 5 13:44:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!howlan d.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demo n!namron.demon.co.uk!Peter From: Peter Norman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help & Advice - Beeswax etc. Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:50:54 +0100 Organization: The Seaside Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <+nFcDDAOnwhxEwRi@namron.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: namron.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: namron.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 Im now in my second year of beekeeping and pleased with my progress. I've "lurked" on this newsgroup for a long time and have picked up some very useful advice. I now want to use the beeswax etc to make some creams and lotions for the family. As anyone got any recipes they don't mind sharing or can you direct me to some other source. Please email me at peter@namron.demon.co.uk >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!agis!h olonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1995 Honey Report USDA Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605010726361850@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 205 Released February 20, 1996, by the National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS), Agricultural Statistics Board, U.S. Department of Agriculture. For information on "Honey" call Tom Kruchten at (202) 690-4870 or James Hand at (202) 690-3236 for prices, office hours 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. ET. For assistance with general agricultural statistics, information about NASS, its products or services, contact the NASS Information Hotline at 1-800-727-9540 or E-mail: NASS@NASS.USDA.GOV. United States Honey Production Down 3 Percent Honey production in 1995 from producers with five or more colonies totaled 210 million pounds, down 3 percent from 1994. There were 2.65 million colonies producing honey in 1995, compared with 2.77 million in 1994. Yield per colony averaged 79.5 pounds, up 1.1 pounds from the 78.4 pounds in 1994. Colonies which produced in more than one State were counted in each State and yields per colony may be understated. Producer honey stocks were 42.2 million pounds on December 15, 1995, down 29 percent from a year earlier. Honey Prices Up 21 Percent Prices for the 1995 crop averaged 64.4 cents per pound, up 22 percent from the 1994 price of 52.8 cents per pound. Prices are based on retail sales by producers and sales to private processors and co-ops. At the U.S. level, price s for each color are derived by weighting State average prices by the State quantities sold. Prices were higher for all color classes in 1995. HONEY PRICE BY COLOR CLASS,US, 94-95 Honey: Price by Color Class, United States, 1994-95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Price :---------------------------------------------------------- Color Class : Coop and Private : Retail : All :---------------------------------------------------------- : 1994 1/ : 1995 : 1994 1/: 1995 : 1994 1/ : 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Cents per Pound Water White, : Extra White, White : 51.1 64.1 84.7 91.9 52.5 65.0 Extra Light Amber : 50.2 61.5 87.4 90.2 53.4 63.3 Light Amber, : Amber, Dark Amber : 48.1 60.8 93.7 96.4 52.7 64.6 All Other Honey : Area Specialties : 44.5 49.5 100.6 108.9 55.6 58.7 All Honey : 50.2 62.6 89.1 93.7 52.8 64.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/ Revised, includes honey produced in 1994 that was sold in 1995. Honey: Number of Colonies, Yield, Production, Stocks, Price, and Value by State and United States, 1994 1/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Honey : Yield : : : Average : Value State : Producing : per :Production : Stocks :Price per : of : Colonies : Colony : :Dec 15 2/ : Pound : Production ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : 1,000 Pounds -- 1,000 Pounds -- Cents 1,000 Dollars AL : 18 50 900 99 52 468 AZ : 47 59 2,773 166 51 1,414 AR : 50 71 3,550 817 51 1,811 CA : 400 60 24,000 6,480 51 12,240 CO : 45 76 3,420 1,813 56 1,915 FL : 230 84 19,320 2,898 47 9,080 GA : 80 63 5,040 958 57 2,873 HI : 11 100 1,100 429 48 528 ID : 127 59 7,493 1,274 52 3,896 IL : 13 80 1,040 468 104 1,082 IN : 13 54 702 204 71 498 IA : 55 66 3,630 1,089 65 2,360 KS : 19 47 893 214 72 643 KY : 3 54 162 57 98 159 LA : 35 98 3,430 515 46 1,578 ME : 8 55 440 172 60 264 MD : 7 36 252 83 108 272 MI : 90 86 7,740 3,870 55 4,257 MN : 170 79 13,430 2,149 52 6,984 MS : 19 53 1,007 352 48 483 MO : 25 77 1,925 270 53 1,020 MT : 119 105 12,495 3,624 52 6,497 NE : 72 55 3,960 1,465 56 2,218 NV : 14 54 756 174 108 816 NJ : 9 33 297 107 63 187 NM : 19 64 1,216 730 47 572 NY : 68 68 4,624 2,451 63 2,913 NC : 15 59 885 266 95 841 ND : 235 138 32,430 7,459 48 15,566 OH : 27 64 1,728 691 64 1,106 OK : 5 58 290 104 93 270 OR : 50 65 3,250 1,008 52 1,690 PA : 27 47 1,269 622 60 761 SC : 10 100 1,000 150 82 820 SD : 260 100 26,000 8,580 52 13,520 TN : 6 51 306 107 98 300 TX : 103 74 7,622 2,058 50 3,811 UT : 43 59 2,537 1,218 53 1,345 VT : 5 77 385 189 87 335 VA : 11 52 572 109 65 372 WA : 60 62 3,720 1,265 54 2,009 WV : 20 44 880 414 118 1,038 WI : 75 71 5,325 1,864 60 3,195 WY : 46 69 3,174 667 58 1,841 Oth : Sts 3/: 6 37 222 114 115 255 US 4/ : 2,770 78.4 217,168 59,813 52.8 114,665 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/ For producers with 5 or more colonies. 2/ Stocks held by producers. Does not include stocks under loan. 3/ CT, DE, MA, NH, and RI not published separately to avoid disclosing data for individual operations. 4/ U.S. price weighted by survey expanded sales. Total may not add due to rounding. Honey: Number of Colonies, Yield, Production, Stocks, Price, and Value by State and United States, 1995 1/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Honey : Yield : : : Average : Value State : Producing : per :Production : Stocks :Price per : of : Colonies : Colony : :Dec 15 2/ : Pound : Production ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : 1,000 Pounds -- 1,000 Pounds -- Cents 1,000 Dollars AL : 16 58 928 28 62 575 AZ : 52 79 4,108 986 68 2,793 AR : 50 60 3,000 900 64 1,920 CA : 420 93 39,060 4,687 60 23,436 CO : 45 60 2,700 1,404 68 1,836 FL : 230 86 19,780 1,780 63 12,461 GA : 70 62 4,340 260 69 2,995 HI : 8 129 1,032 103 55 568 ID : 125 48 6,000 1,020 65 3,900 IL : 11 74 814 212 102 830 IN : 12 63 756 166 68 514 IA : 50 68 3,400 612 72 2,448 KS : 17 67 1,139 182 71 809 KY : 3 44 132 30 103 136 LA : 33 119 3,927 275 61 2,395 ME : 11 45 495 223 100 495 MD : 7 35 245 81 114 279 MI : 97 92 8,924 3,570 72 6,425 MN : 165 82 13,530 1,218 66 8,930 MS : 16 70 1,120 146 64 717 MO : 23 67 1,541 308 65 1,002 MT : 106 80 8,480 1,781 66 5,597 NE : 60 73 4,380 1,402 68 2,978 NV : 9 29 261 34 96 251 NJ : 8 34 272 57 71 193 NM : 19 65 1,235 247 68 840 NY : 70 75 5,250 2,100 66 3,465 NC : 12 52 624 162 81 505 ND : 220 108 23,760 3,802 63 14,969 OH : 25 62 1,550 930 72 1,116 OK : 5 76 380 141 91 346 OR : 52 52 2,704 2,488 71 1,920 PA : 25 43 1,075 376 69 742 SC : 9 90 810 65 128 1,037 SD : 240 85 20,400 4,896 65 13,260 TN : 4 53 212 70 114 242 TX : 84 106 8,904 1,959 64 5,699 UT : 32 33 1,056 232 61 644 VT : 5 67 335 131 83 278 VA : 9 45 405 97 55 223 WA : 60 59 3,540 637 54 1,912 WV : 13 41 533 48 116 618 WI : 73 79 5,767 2,134 71 4,095 WY : 38 36 1,368 150 68 930 Oth : Sts 3/: 8 33 264 104 152 401 US 4/ : 2,647 79.5 210,437 42,234 64.4 135,521 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/ For producers with 5 or more colonies. 2/ Stocks held by producers. Does not include stocks under loan. 3/ CT, DE, MA, NH, and RI not published separately to avoid disclosing data for individual operations. 4/ U.S. price weighted by survey expanded sales. Total may not add due to rounding. The next "Honey" report will be released in February, 1997. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) prohibits discrimination in its programs on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, religion, age, disability, political beliefs, and marital or familial status. Persons with disabilities who require alternative means for communication of program information (braille, large print, audiotape, etc.) should contact the USDA Office of Communications at (202) 720-5881 (voice) or (202) 720-7808 (TDD). To file a complaint, write the Secretary of Agriculture, USDA, Washington, D.C. 20250, or call (202) 720-7327 (voice) or (202) 720-1127 (TDD). USDA is an equa l employment opportunity employer. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.c om!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 15:05:52 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4m7ul6$nf2@news3.cts.com> References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <9604290754081833@beenet.com> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com A little additional information may help in this discussion: I just used the CD-Rom encyclopedia to try to determine the type of Wasp here. I'm pretty sure it's a "Paper Wasp" from the color and shape. Does this help any? Do we know if the habits of the Yellow Jacket (mentioned in the previous post) are at all similiar to the Paper Wasp (or, if you will vice versa)? Thx. I really appreciate all of the helpfuul comments here. >From honeybs@radix.net Sun May 5 13:44:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.radix.net!news From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hunting Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 12:27:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4m7eag$469@news1.radix.net> References: <4m5m6v$fm8@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin23.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU (Allen, Brian James ) wrote: > Bee hunting, also known as bee lining is a lot of fun. You will need a pair of binoculars. The easiest way I know of is to heat some honey comb to attract the bees to your staging area. Set up a bee boardman feeder with sugar water. The anise sent is placed around the feeder not in the sugar water. The bees will pick up the sent on their bodies and give the other bees a clue of what scent to look for. After filling up the bee will make several circles around the feeder to get her bearings and then suddenly head straight back towards the hive. After a while several beelines should be noticed. You should be able to see the beelines above the trees with your binoculars. They will appear as streaks going in both directions. When the beelines stop you have passed the hive. Look and listen everywhere in the area. Windy days are probably the easiest to find feral colonies. The bees fly closely to the ground and do not necessarily beeline. They quite often follow headge rows to avoid the wind. You simply follow the bees back to their hive. Greg Ferris >From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Sun May 5 13:44:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!news-relay.us.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Hunting Date: 1 May 1996 17:34:10 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4m87ai$j4b@uudell.us.dell.com> References: <4m5m6v$fm8@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiloh.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) > >If anyone has any knowlege or experinece with the above methods of finding wil d >hives, I would be interested in hearing about it. Brian, I seem to recall one of the "Foxfire" books had a section on this subject. These books should be available at your local library and chronical some of the disappearing folklife skills of Appalachin moutain dewllers. Interesting stuff. Mark Dillow >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 1 May 1996 12:38:50 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4m7m0q$t3a@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <3186334E.446B@zk3.dec.com> <4m6ebu$ rbb@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/4m6ebu$rbb@news3.cts.com More on wasps: I think Cam had a good reply about trying the grenadine bait and searching for nearby nests. This may make a dent in the population. Baits works better on the West Coast. Stay away from the poison baits. Andy made some good comments about Chlorine, but just because we can't smell something, doesn't mean the insects can't either. There was a nice thought about adding surfactant. It might be a good idea in a bird bath, but can one place it in a pool? I was wondering the same thing. One reason this discussion has probably gone on this long is that we are all speculating like crazy. We still don't have enough facts. It is important to know why the insects are visiting the water. We still don't even know what the insect is! Peter, my advice here is: COLLECT ONE OR TWO WASPS AND TAKE THEM TO AN ENTOMOLOGIST, OR YOUR COUNTY COOPERATIVE EXTENSION AGENT AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHICH INSECT YOU HAVE. Then you might have better suggestions. Eric Mussen is at UC Davis. If you want his address and number email me 'cause I'd rather not post someone else's address on the net. Let us know what you find out. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk Sun May 5 13:44:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bsmail!irix!ph 3037 From: ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk (Christopher Dew) Subject: Is bee keeping commercially viable? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@uns.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: irix.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:09:44 GMT Lines: 15 I was wondering how much honey honey-bees produced and how many hives you would need to make sufficient profit for time invested. -- ____________ /\ _________\ Christopher Dew \ \ \______ / \ \ \ / / / e-mail: ph3037@bristol.ac.uk \ \ \/ / / \ \/ / / \ / / \/_/ >From ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk Sun May 5 13:44:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu! warwick!bsmail!irix!ph3037 From: ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk (Christopher Dew) Subject: Re: Bee Hunting Message-ID: Sender: usenet@uns.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: irix.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4m5m6v$fm8@magma.Mines.EDU> Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:03:59 GMT Lines: 19 Not quite bees, but it may be applicable... Twice this spring we have found queen wasps hibernating in curtains. They were easy to catch and one has been given to a friend of my father, who wants a wasps nest to supply him with bait for fishing. Do queen bees hibernate? Could you make a really attractive queen bee shelter near where you think there is a hive? -- ____________ /\ _________\ Christopher Dew \ \ \______ / \ \ \ / / / e-mail: ph3037@bristol.ac.uk \ \ \/ / / \ \/ / / \ / / \/_/ >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state. edu!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 14:50:06 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4m7tnj$mal@news3.cts.com> References: <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <9604290754081833@beenet.com> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: --- snip --- >Now here is some help and if it does not work or you need more >information please write the author as he is almost in your area >and a real nice guy. > ttul Andy- --- stuff deleted --- >YELLOW JACKET CONTROL >Yellow jackets (Vespula spp. - colonial wasps), can pose a severe problem >for people when these wasps aggressively seek food. --- etc --- Question however: From my description of what I have in the back yard (color is mostly brownish red with NO yellow) are they yellow jackets or something else? And, if something else, do their habits probably parallel the colonial wasp? >From altenbur@plains.nodak.edu Sun May 5 13:44:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!FQDN!i hnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu! plains!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.nodak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: 1 May 1996 13:12:55 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4m7o0n$8vj@daily-planet.nodak.edu> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Graham & Annie Law (Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk) wrote: : >drink and than fly away. They don't sink! : Is is practical to add a little liquid soap to your pool?, this should : break the surface tension and the litle buggers should drown. Presumbly : wasps are like bees and the returning wasp passes the location of your : pool on to other wasps. Once you have drowned the insects that like : your pool the problem should deminish. There's little evidence that social wasps such as paper wasps (Polistes spp.) or yellowjackets (Vespula/Dolichovespula spp.) conduct recruitment. Each wasp seeks out food/water/wood on its own. BTW, a wasp that floats on water doesn't sound like a yellowjacket, maybe a paper wasp? -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND 58105 All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sun May 5 13:44:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.e du!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1013.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is bee keeping commercially viable? Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 14:54:51 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 56 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1220.cit.cornell.edu In article , ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk (Christopher Dew) wrote: > I was wondering how much honey honey-bees produced and how many hives you > would need to make sufficient profit for time invested. > > > -- > ____________ > /\ _________\ Christopher Dew > \ \ \______ / > \ \ \ / / / e-mail: ph3037@bristol.ac.uk Hi Chris! I'm in central New York State, but have read alot of British bee books and periodicals and am interested in the UK bee-scene. Over here honey is cheap and unfortunately, to make a living people have to run 300-400 colonies at least. This turns out to be a bit more work than one person can appropriately do, so either the honey yield suffers or they have to hire seasonal help. In the UK it's a little different. There is a good demand for "British Honey." (People over here don't give a damn where it's from, so there is much dumping-in of honey on the market from South America, Canada, and China - this has continued to depress the price.) Please let me suggest a book which I found to be a big help and full of USEFUL information. It's HONEY BY THE TON, written in 83 by Mr. Oliver Field, a commercial beekeeper in Oxfordshire. The publisher is Northern Bee Books, but an earlier edition came from another company. Anyway, this book is by an operating, successful bee farmer in your country and carries on the tradition begun by Mr. R.O.B. Manley in the 40's, who was the prominent commercial beekeeper at that time and wrote some wonderful books on the subject. They are my favorites (Honey Farming, Beekeeping in Britain, Honey Production in the British Isles). THey are dated but still much of the information applies today. To answer your question, in Britain you can make a living with around 200 hives (at least), and this is do-able for one person alone in an enjoyable way. This usually means moving the hives to oilseed rape fields in the spring and then to other locations for field beans, charlock, clover, etc. later. I wish I was in Britain as I would like to be a commercial beekeeper but here in the states it requires so much more of an investment There is a web page for Thornes which is a bee equipment supplier in UK. Best wishes to you and if I can be of any help at all please e-mail me. BTW other authors in Britain to note: Ron Brown, Harry Riches ...check it out . Kindest regards, Joel (age 31, 25 hives, nr. Ithaca, NY) >From tvf@umich.edu Sun May 5 13:44:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.interne tmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is bee keeping commercially viable? Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 15:55:01 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3187CFA5.4299@umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Christopher Dew wrote: > > I was wondering how much honey honey-bees produced and how many hives you > would need to make sufficient profit for time invested. This is a very difficult question to answer, inasmuch as there is a lot of variability in honey production dependant upon local conditions. The average yield for Michigan, USA, is probably quite different than that for Bristol, England. One would have to get local tables of agricultural production and just look up the average yield for honey. Then, again, individual methods of beekeeping will produce quite disparate honey yields as well (two-queen colonies far outproduce two single-queen colonies, for example). And, of course, as for any agricultural endeavor, variation in local weather conditions will make the difference between a disaster, a mediocre year, or a production exceeding all expectations. But to give you an idea of the variation possible, you could have as little as 10 lbs, or as much as 250 lbs in a colony. I have had both extremes in my apiary. The question as to sufficient profit is a very subjective one. Obviously, the more time one devotes to one's bees, the better maintained they're likely to be, and consequently the more productive. So you will have to come to your own conclusions as to how profitable they could be, depending upon your individual management decisions. Ted Fischer >From tgriffin@tamu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!sw rinde!sgigate.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news From: tgriffin@tamu.edu (Trey Griffin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Backhoe Tire Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 22:44:03 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3187e91f.3939425@news.tamu.edu> Reply-To: tgriffin@tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dunn-429.dorms.tamu.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 I am trying to find a Rice & Cane Tire that fits an older model Ford Backhoe Measurements are 18.4-26 Please e-mail at tgriffin@tamu.edu Thanks.....Trey >From Tim.Polfliet@rug.ac.be Sun May 5 13:44:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!surfnet.nl !swsbe6.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!infoserv.rug.ac.be!news From: Tim Polfliet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BELGIAN beekeepers Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 17:23:06 +0200 Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3188D35A.1CA7@rug.ac.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: eduserv2.rug.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) CC: tim.polfliet@rug.ac.be Hello I am Tim polfliet, and a just started beekeeping. Is there someone else in belgium who read this. Please contact my. -- Tim.Polfliet@rug.ac.be ###################### Werkgroep Sterrenkunde Universiteit Gent >From 101535.343@CompuServe.COM Sun May 5 13:44:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Agriculturesci.beekeeping <101535.343@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: 2 May 1996 18:40:18 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4mavii$2s9$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> References: <4m4ue1$dmn@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> If you would like to consult the originator see 'The Dance Language and Orientation of Bees' Karl von Frisch. London 1967. Good luck Ted Hooper. >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sun May 5 13:44:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mat hworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu !cu-dialup-0718.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (Joel Govostes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why is a super called a super? Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 15:45:41 -0500 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1025.cit.cornell.edu In article , dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) wrote: > Why is a super called a super? They were originally referred to as "super-hives," meaning stories added above the (main) hive. Some people call any hive-box of comb frames a "super," even if it's used as the brood chamber. Technically, a brood chamber is for brood rearing space and the surplus honey chambers are called supers. >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun May 5 13:44:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.n et!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: why is a super called a super? Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:40:18 GMT Lines: 11 Why is a super called a super? I was calling some words and meanings out to my daughter who is taking Latin. Seems that super in Latin means above or over. Dave M. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!n ews.Stanford.EDU!newshub1.internex.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.hol onet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEEM (background) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605021659291871@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbm nn$abg@solar Lines: 114 ECO-LOCO BY SHALINI RAMANATHAN BIOPROSPECTING: The green rush For hundreds of years, the neem tree has been used in India as medicine, fertilizer, insecticide, fuel. Azadirachtin, the chemical compound that makes the neem so nifty, is found in many commercial compounds, but no one in India has ever bothered to patent the chemical or the use of the neem tree. Companies who wanted it simply purchased it as necessary, and individuals who needed medicine, toothpaste or fertilizer found a tree and took what they needed. No patents, no worries. This all changed in 1971 when an American timberman discovered the neem tree's many properties. He worked on a compound, and in 1985 he developed a pesticide from neem extract called Margosan-O. He then sold the patent to a huge multinational called W.R. Grace, which is now marketing the drug. The research work of generations of Indian peasants has gone to benefit that most worthy of causes, a huge chemical company. The culture that discovered, over the course of generations, the many uses of the neem tree has received no benefits from the large scale marketing of neem extracts. Go to the forest, young man Welcome to the world of bioprospecting, where pharmaceutical and chemical companies take to the rainforests and reefs of the developing world, scouting for new compounds that could mean hundreds of millions of dollars. Finally, Western scientists and companies are recognizing the achievements of indigenous cultures. Proponents of bioprospecting point out that, in addition to focusing attention on indigenous wisdom, this process will provide incentives for countries to conserve their natural resources. Instead of slashing down a rainforest, a developing country may choose to protect it in the hopes that, some day, some princely pharmaceutical giant will come and pay for a compound found deep in the country's forests. Three win and a maybe This sounds like a win/win/win situation: Companies get new products, natural resources are kept intact, and developing countries finally benefit from conservation. Or do they? As the troubling example of W.R. Grace and the neem tree illustrates, there is nothing simple about the equity of bioprospecting. But given how passionately many of us argue for the preservation of biodiversity, it's hard to dismiss bioprospecting completely. Here is proof positive that conservation pays. Is it really possible that big bad pharmaceutical companies could be the rainforests' white knight? There have been some examples of bioprospecting working well. In 1991, Merck and Company, the world's second-largest pharmaceutical company, entered into an agreement with the Instituto Nacional de Biodiversidad (INBio) in Costa Rica. The company has paid INBio two million dollars, and in return INBio is collecting, labeling and sending to Merck soil, insect and plant samples that may lead to the new development of new drugs. If Merck does use any of the samples provided by INBio, the institute will receive a percentage of the royalties. The money received by INBio is being used for research and conservation purposes. The Merck/INBio agreement is generally considered to smell okay. Optimistic outlook, but with a periwrinkle So bioprospecting can work. But it often doesn't; Eli Lilly and its discovery and appropriation of the Madagascar periwinkle is another example of bioprospecting going horribly awry. What then to conclude? It's an important issue: Bioprospecting is becoming hip, all the in companies are doing it. Most drug or chem companies have scouts out, and many developing countries (China, Brazil, Nigeria) have set up specimen collecting programs. Pharmaceutical companies are not the ideal saviors of rainforests, but there have been stranger marriages. Australian prostitutes are now boycotting French lingerie and perfume to protest France's nuke testing in the Pacific, even though the International Court of Justice and the U.S. government offered only a whimper of protest. (The jury is still out on whether the International Court has joined the lingerie boycott.) When Jerry Garcia was once asked why the Dead were doing a benefit concert for the rainforests, he said "Someone's got to do something. It's just pathetic that it has to be us." You take your saviors where you can find 'em. Other columns by Ramanathan Ramanathan is a grad student in Environmental Studies at Yale University. Consult your doctor before inhaling this column. ******** >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!n ews.Stanford.EDU!newshub1.internex.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.hol onet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEEM (products) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605021659291872@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc.nasa.gov> <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> < 3thq6s$nm2@s Lines: 53 Neem Extracts Growing in Popularity Dave Smitley, Entomology __________________________________________________________________________ Neem Products, Azadarachtin, an extract from the neem tree has been formulated by several different companies into products that can be used in the turf and landscape industries. Azadarachtin is particularly effective against Lepidoptera larvae (caterpillars), but a broad range of insects are susceptible to its hormone-like activity. Neem products also work well as feeding repellents for some insects. Neem extracts are going to become more popular over the next few years because of their low toxicity. The LD50 is over 5,000 and in India some toothpaste products contain neem extracts. At this time I suggest considering neem products for control of: armyworms, cutworms, sod webworms, gypsy moth, eastern tent caterpillar, fall webworm, other caterpillars, Japanese beetle adults, and whiteflies. If you have had good results with neem for control of other insects please let me know. I am sure the list of susceptible insects will grow each year. The neem products I am familiar with are: Azatin (Agridyne) Greenhouse/commercial Benefit (Lesco) Turf/commercial Bioneem (Ringer) Turf and ornamental/homeowner Margosan-O (Grace-Sierra) Ornamentals and greenhouse/commercial Turplex (Scotts) Turf/commercial _________________________________________________________________ This information is for educational purposes only. References to commercial products or trade names does not imply endorsement by MSU Extension or bias against those not mentioned. This information becomes public property upon publication and may be printed verbatim with credit to MSU Extension. Reprinting cannot be used to endorse or advertise a commercial product or company. Many MSU Extension data bases are available on CD-ROM or in other formats. For more information about this data base please contact landisj@msue.msu.edu _________________________________________________________________ MSU Extension Home Page >From peterw@cts.com Sun May 5 13:44:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!usen et From: peterw@cts.com (P. & E. Withey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 00:51:43 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mblb5$78m@news3.cts.com> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4lum0v$9d@so laris.cc.vt. <9604281901071830@beenet.com> <3186334E.446B@zk3.dec.com> <4m6ebu$ rbb@news3.cts.com> <4m7m0q$t3a@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: peterw@cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.cts.com Steve Bambara wrote: >One reason this discussion has probably gone on this long is that >we are all speculating like crazy. We still don't have enough facts. >It is important to know why the insects are visiting the water. We >still don't even know what the insect is! Peter, my advice here is: Thanks. After looking at all kinds of pictures I'm 99% sure these are what is generically called "Paper Wasps". They're the only ones which come even close to what they look like. However, I will follow your suggestion when I can. I REALLY appreciate the response and interest on this. I really didn't think I stood a ghost of a chance getting any replies at all even though the NET is always (or usually anywya0 friendly with support. >From ajdel@interramp.com Sun May 5 13:44:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp! interramp.com!ip107.washington3.dc.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why is a super called a super? Date: 2 May 1996 23:10:44 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4mbfdk$o1r@usenet6.interramp.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip107.washington3.dc.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:19:55 GMT In article dave macfawn, dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM writes: >Seems that super in Latin means above or >over. And that's the answer to your question. It goes on top of the brood chamber. AJ ajdel@interramp.com >From joel@ssd.intel.com Sun May 5 13:44:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agric ulture.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeep ing,rec.gardens Subject: RFD: sci.agriculture.fruit Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 May 1996 02:51:39 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 77 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <831091897.24573@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: sci.agriculture.fruit Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:7605 news.groups:179030 alt.agri culture.fruit:2334 alt.agriculture.misc:5268 alt.sustainable.agriculture:12280 sci.agriculture:11026 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4261 rec.gardens:124250 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group sci.agriculture.fruit Newsgroups line: sci.agriculture.fruit Discussions related to growing fruit. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, sci.agriculture.fruit This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: sci.agriculture.fruit There currently exists a newsgroup on this subject, "alt.agriculture.fruit". But since it is in the "alt" branch it is frequently subjected to voluminous inappropriate postings (HOT SEX, MAKE MONEY FAST, PHONE CARDS!) Postings related to fruit growing are generally informative, articulate and high value content (very little to no flaming). But as much as 50% of postings are totally off-topic. It is hoped that by moving the group to the "sci" branch the number of off-topic postings would be greatly reduced. The proponent of this move promises to make regular announcements in alt.agriculture.fruit for at least 6 months suggesting on-topic posts be moved to the new group sci.agriculture.fruit if it is created. It is hoped that a FAQ will be developed. CHARTER: sci.agriculture.fruit The proposed unmoderated newsgroup sci.agriculture.fruit will be open to discussions on all topics related to growing fruit, berries and nuts such as: - agriculture characteristics of fruit, berry, and nut varieties - agriculture production techniques for fruit, berries and nuts, including cultivation, pruning, fertilizing, spraying etc. - announcements of educational events or "fairs" relating to fruit, berry, and nut growing. - rules and regulations related to agriculture practices. - requests for advice related to fruit, berry, and nut growing. - requests for sources of fruit, berry, and nut varieties, or growing supplies and tools. This newsgroup will not be an appropriate forum for advertising, or announcements of product availability by persons or organizations whose purpose to to make a profit from the sale of those products. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.agriculture.fruit, alt.agriculture.misc, alt.sustainable.agriculture, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping, rec.gardens - Proponent: Joel Clark >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwr l!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.na chbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Silver Bullet NEEM? Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605022001101875@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> Lines: 136 Some of the information presented here and in other posts is from the RESEARCH HIGHLIGHTS 1994 Northern Agriculture Research Centre, and is reproduced without permission for your personal use. You can find this and more information on the internet highway by using one or more of the search engines. I personally do not subscribe to the Silver Bullet theory that most beekeepers seem to live by. Practical applications of information are not cure all's for complicated real time problems. Only trial and tERROR bring rewards in beekeeping, so has it been, so will it continue. Law's, Rule's, and Beekeeping Regulation's exist to protect us from "ourselves" and other's. The problem is they do not work as well as they read, and it is at least in America part of our failing is to ignore the rules if we as individuals are searching for the silver bullet. Its the American way.. This can also fulfill the beekeeping industry death wish that has been around for several generations. BEE careful with anything you add to your and your bees environment, if you don't kill your bee's you may poison their honey and that will in time faster then anything else bring on the death wish. Neem is just another chemical, but a natural one, it seems to have been used for hundreds if not thousands of years in India and other places. None of these places report deaths from it's use, but none of these places are all that desirable places to live a fulfilled beekeeping life based on at least North American standards unless you happen to have been born there and are trapped for a lifetime. So because they don't report the bad news with the good does not mean that bad news does not exist and it may be that they take the bad news as normal. I am sure that anything I write will not stop any from the testing of any new idea or chemical on their bees, and because of that I expect that some of you that do at least share your results good or bad with the rest of us. Who know's you may be the one that does find that Silver Bullet for all of us beekeepers, and God knows we need one NOW.. But then I don't believe, but I do believe and am living proof that if you do nothing about a problem it will grow and consume you, and if you do nothing about the losses we are ALL experiencing or will be experiencing you will find it harder to continue as a beekeeper. This is a fact today in keeping bees and it does not matter a wit if you have a few hives or ten's of thousands, you must have a plan, and for the majority sad as it is, it will be the use of some chemical product natural or man made for the rest of this life and maybe farther. We are all trapped on this marry go around of chemical dependence like it or not. Some quotes on neem research on bee pests: Control of tracheal mites, Acarapis woodi Rennie with neem extract, Margosan-O. by T.P. Liu In the early 1970s researchers in the USDA ushered in the use of biopesticides and talked of doing away with toxic pesticides. The use of neem, from a biopesticidal tree, Azadirachta indica A. Juss, that grows widely in Africa and Asia, has been evaluated for the control of agricultural pests including insects, mites, nematodes, fungal pathogens, etc. (Aldhous, 1992). The tracheal mite, Acarapis woodi Rennie, was discovered in Texas, in 1984 and in Canada in 1986. Infestation of honey bees with tracheal mites has been shown to decrease honey production, reduce brood production and cause winter mortality in honey bees. Tracheal mite infestations can be effectively treated with the application of formic acid, menthol or vegetable oil patties. However, these treatments required labour and time. In laboratory trials in the U.S., it was found that adult females of the citrus red mite, Panonychus citri, were repelled by leaves treated with neem kernel hexane extracts and laid eggs only on untreated leaves (Jacobson, et al., 1978). Good control with neem against citrus red mites was also obtained in laboratory and field trials in China. Experiments were conducted in an experimental bee yard in Beaverlodge, Alberta, and two bee yards in California, at the Hill & Ward Apiaries. A commercial neem extract, Margosan-O (Grace- Sierra Crop Protection Co., Milpitas, California) was used for these experiments. At the Beaverlodge bee yard 15 tracheal mite- infested colonies were divided into 3 groups. Five colonies served as controls and received 3 liters each of 50% sugar syrup. The 2nd group of colonies each received 3 liters of syrup containing 3 ml of Margosan-O per liter of syrup. The 3rd group of colonies each received 3 liters of syrup containing 6 ml of Margosan-O per liter of syrup. Bee samples were collected on May 18, 1994 to obtain a tracheal mite baseline and treatments were applied soon after the baseline samples were collected. Bee samples were collected every 3 weeks until August 10, 1994. In California 14 infested colonies in each of two bee yards were used for the experiments. In the experimental group each colony was fed with 3 liters of syrup containing 12 ml of Margosan-O. Colonies in the control group were fed with syrup only. At the Beaverlodge bee yard, three weeks after treatment, tracheal mite infestation levels in the two treated groups were significantly lower (P The California bee yards had a 30% tracheal mite infestation level before treatment on July 8, 1994. Samples collected on July 30, 1994, two weeks after bees received neem treatment showed an infestation level of 9%. Samples collected on August 30 showed infestation levels of 7% and in samples collected on October 22 the infestation level was 6%. Populations and hive weights in the treated colonies have also steadily improved. These results indicate that the use of neem products to control tracheal mites is promising. The use of neem products for the control of tracheal mites by feeding medicated syrup in the spring can save both labor and time. Treatment of infested colonies with neem may also reduce chalkbrood and Nosema infections (Liu, 1995). Margosan-O is inexpensive, besides Margosan-O there are three new neem based products, Azatin, Turples, and Align which have entered the U.S. pesticide market. The U.S. EPA has approved Align for use on food and food crops. Margosan-O is now registered in all 50 states in the U.S. and the EPA has approved it for use on food crops. We continue our tests to obtain sufficient data for application of registration to use neem products in beekeeping for the control of diseases and pests of the honey bee. Currently no neem products are registered for use in beekeeping anywhere in the world. REFERENCES Aldhous, P. 1992. Neem chemical: The pieces fall in place. Science (Washington) 258: 893. Jacobson, M., D.K. Reed, M.M. Crystal, D. Moreno, and E.L. Soderstrom. 1978. Chemistry and biological activity of insect feeding deterrents from certain weed and crop plants. Entomol. Exp. Appl. 24: 448. Liu, T.P. 1995. A possible control of chalkbrood and Nosema disease of the honey bee with neem. Am. Bee J. 134 (No. 2). (In press). -------------------------end of quotes------------------------------ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in ny form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: why is a super called a super? Date: 3 May 1996 13:29:58 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4md1om$eku@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/Dqs5z6.FzB@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM dave macfawn wrote: >Why is a super called a super? Seems that super in Latin means >over. Dave, Are we going to discuss this term super and super again? [just kidding!] *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Raleigh, NC 27695 >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RFD: sci.agriculture.fruit Date: 3 May 1996 11:32:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4mcqt2$ie0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <831091897.24573@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu news.groups:179083 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4264 In article <831091897.24573@uunet.uu.net>, Joel Clark wrote: > REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) > unmoderated group sci.agriculture.fruit > >Newsgroups line: >sci.agriculture.fruit Discussions related to growing fruit. > >This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: > sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hello. Nice idea. Since this RFD concerns fruit production topics, and was posted to sci.agriculture.beekeeping, you might want to mention something about pollination of fruit in the charter. Agricultural pollination is but part of a 10+ billion dollar industry. How will you discern between what is considered an archetypal fruit: apple, orange, and a technically accurate fruit: (botanical) cucumber, or tomato? Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 5 13:44:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.n et!news.ac.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.g nn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Bee Trucks are Rollin' ..... Date: 3 May 1996 09:48:01 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 165 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4md2qh$7ik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Tractor-trailer loads of honeybee hives are rolling north along Interstate 95 to orchards in Pennsylvania, New York, and New England, and along Route 75 to Michigan, where they are badly needed for pollination of our fruits. We've been busting our butts here to get everything the South can spare (we need more bees here, too, for our melons, squash, & cukes). But we've done our best, and we're proud of our contribution. New York, one of the major apple producing states, needs about 30 thousand hives for this pollination. My own guess is that probably less than 20 thousand are available this year. More and more commercial beekeepers have been migrating south for the winter, where they can get better survival, then get an early start on raising queens and starting new hives. New Yorkers can produce queens and new hives, but not early enough to pollinate spring fruit. The major eastern wintering grounds are in Florida and South Carolina. Florida has the advantage of an early honey crop -- orange blossom, but this same crop causes bees to dwindle somewhat, as its pollen is poor quality, and the removal of that honey makes it a difficult race to get ready in time for northern orchards. South Carolina has especially rich spring pollen for raising queens and nucs (starter hives), but the main honey flow coincides with northern fruit bloom, so beekeepers traditionally have left just as the honey flow starts. The price of honey is soaring, so northern fruit growers with pollination needs may be in competition with honey production. It's fingernail chewin' time for beekeepers who may have a major part of their livestock on those trucks. An accident, or simply a breakdown, or irresponsbible trucker who parks for a few hours in the heat, can make or break the beekeeper. Bees, once loaded, MUST be kept rolling, so they can ventilate and cool. Beekeepers once used a lot of refrigerated trucks, but the practice has mostly been abandoned, due to reefer breakdowns, or just weak units that could not cope with the heat production of the bees. The bees are energised by stored sunshine, sugars produced by plants and stored in the honey reserves. When they are loaded on a truck they must be cooled by water or moving air, as they will begin to overheat, which makes them excited, which makes them produce more heat, which makes them more excited, .........MELTDOWN! Reports keep arriving here, or heavy losses of bees overwintered in the northeast. The president of the Empire State (NY) Beekeepers' Association estimates statewide average losses of around 70%. Some attribute the unusually severe winter; some blame varroa mites (though commercial beekeepers treat for mites). Others note the unusual honeydew production in many areas last summer. Honeydew contains a lot of indigestible material, and, when bees cannot fly to relieve themselves, can cause the death of the hives, by dysentery. The heavy winter losses are sure to stimulate more beekeeper migration to the south. Pollination service is becoming more and more critical. In the past, large growers used imported bees, but smaller fruit and vegetable growers relied on wild honeybees, bumble bees, carpenter bees, and other solitary bees for their pollination. Pollinator populations have been dwindling, and growers cannot rely on pollination by accident. New parasitc mites have devastated wild honeybees, and pesticide misuse continues to decimate all kinds of bees. A survey of California beekeepers last year showed that pollination service provided more total beekeeper income than honey production. This is true in some other fruit or vegetable regions of the country, as well. Many crops must have bees. The biggest pollination event, of course is the California almond crop, which needs about 300 thousand hives, and sucks bees >from as far away as Florida. Brokers have approached me, here in South Carolina, to ship bees to almonds. Apples are another biggie and bees must be trucked to Washington, the Great Lakes and the Northeast for these. There are never enough local bees for these big crops. Then there are cherries, pears, plums, cranberries, blueberries, kiwifruit, and many other fruits, not to speak of watermelons, cantaloupes, squash, pumpkins, cukes, and many seed crops. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the role of the bee. Many folks think that the bee goes to the blossom and the fruit "sets." One bee visit may make an apple, but it is likely to be a poor, small, misshapen, starchy apple. Size, shape, and sugar content are directly related to the number of seeds set. Yes, we should refer to seed set, rather than fruit set. And good seed set, to produce quality apple, must have multiple bee visits. Watermelons are similar. Many poor quality melons reach the market. Small, flat sided, or gourd-shaped melons exhibit the results of only partial pollination. White seeds in the melon are unpollinated, and large numbers of these indicate a melon that never can reach it's potential. "This farmer used TOO MUCH SODA!" Consumers know a poor melon when they taste it, but they don't know the reason. The farmer had TOO FEW BEES! The white seeds tell the story. Every now and then, the beekeepers nightmare occurs -- an accident on the highway. Usually jumpy public officials declare a disaster and kill the bees, rather than get qualified people to salvage and clean up. They need to keep in mind that they are not dealing with $50,000 worth of bees, but a million dollars worth of apples. Such an accident occurred a couple years ago where a tractor-trailer flipped on its side. The bees were strapped and contained within netting. A beekeeper with air bags, who could have righted the entire load, was within a half hour of arrival, when an idiot cut the straps, spilling everything and causing general havoc. The bees were destroyed, and some orchards did not get their bees. The last I heard, this was still in litigation. We recently helped load a truckload of bees for New York apples. As we began to load, there were some rumbles, and a shower broke. Did you know that wet clothing is about the same as NO clothing, when it comes to bee stings? The owner was determined to roll before midnight, and there was no way to talk him into waiting for morning, so we continued to load into that warm, wet night, punctuated by my shrieks and running commentary (and I am an experienced beekeeper, who doesn't mind a few stings). The mission was accomplished. The bees went on their way to the apples. My guess is that the owner took 300+ stings without a complaint. I thank God that American agriculture still has people with the kind of committment to get the job done, when it HAS to be done. So ...... here's to you, New York, New England, Michigan, and other eastern fruit regions. We send you our best..... "Y'all send us some of your best fruit now, too, heah!" Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >From psyverse@lynx.neu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-bea con.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.neu.edu!johnson From: Ben Syversen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:26:36 -0700 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <318AA43B.5E34@lynx.neu.edu> References: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-206-12.sp.neu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: "kconvy@olympic.net" kconvy@olympic.net wrote: > > > I am currently working on a project and need some info. > regarding the "dance" that bees do in order to indicate > the direction of a pollen source. I believe that this > dance is in a figure eight pattern in relationship to > the position of the sun. Is this correct? Can someone > give me a more detailed description or point me to a > book which could offer help? I went to a rather large > bookstore yesterday and sadly could find no information > on either bees or beekeeping. Any help is greatly > appreciated! I am a beginning beekeeper, and in search of information, looked everywhere including my computer encyclopedia, Encarta, where I found an article with a lot of info about this. It is as follows: Communication A well-perfected system of communication exists among the honeybees. In studies of bees begun in the early 1900s, the Austrian zoologist Karl von Frisch determined many of the details of their means of communication. In a classic paper published in 1923 von Frisch described how after a field bee discovers a new source of food, such as a field in bloom, she fills her honey sac with nectar, returns to the hive, and performs a vigorous but highly standardized dance. If the new source of food is within about 90 m (about 100 yd) of the hive, the bee performs a circular dance, first moving about 2 cm or more, and then circling in the opposite direction. Numerous bees in the hive closely follow the dancer, imitating her movements. During this ceremony the other workers scent the fragrance of the flowers from which the dancer collected the nectar. Having learned that food is not far from the hive, and what it smells like, the other bees leave the hive and fly in widening circles until they find the source. If the new source of nectar or pollen is from several hundred meters to 2 or 3 km away, the discoverer performs a more elaborate dance characterized by intermittent movement across the diameter of the circle, and constant and vigorous wagging of her abdomen. Every movement of this dance seems to have significance. The number of times the bee circles during a given interval informs the other bees how far to fly for the food. Movement across the diameter in a straight run indicates the direction of the food source. If the straight run is upward, the source is directly toward the sun. Should the straight run be downward, it signifies that the bees may reach the food by flying with their backs to the sun. In the event the straight run veers off at an angle to the vertical, the bees must follow a course to the right or left of the sun at the same angle that the straight run deviates from the vertical. Bees under observation in a glass hive demonstrate their instructions so clearly that it is possible for trained observers to understand the directions given by the dancers. There was also a cool little (long) animation that went with this. -Ben P.S. try looking at your local library :) >From psyverse@lynx.neu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-bea con.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.neu.edu!johnson From: Ben Syversen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:27:00 -0700 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 59 Message-ID: <318AA454.302A@lynx.neu.edu> References: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-206-12.sp.neu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) To: kconvy@olympic.net kconvy@olympic.net wrote: > > > I am currently working on a project and need some info. > regarding the "dance" that bees do in order to indicate > the direction of a pollen source. I believe that this > dance is in a figure eight pattern in relationship to > the position of the sun. Is this correct? Can someone > give me a more detailed description or point me to a > book which could offer help? I went to a rather large > bookstore yesterday and sadly could find no information > on either bees or beekeeping. Any help is greatly > appreciated! I am a beginning beekeeper, and in search of information, looked everywhere including my computer encyclopedia, Encarta, where I found an article with a lot of info about this. It is as follows: Communication A well-perfected system of communication exists among the honeybees. In studies of bees begun in the early 1900s, the Austrian zoologist Karl von Frisch determined many of the details of their means of communication. In a classic paper published in 1923 von Frisch described how after a field bee discovers a new source of food, such as a field in bloom, she fills her honey sac with nectar, returns to the hive, and performs a vigorous but highly standardized dance. If the new source of food is within about 90 m (about 100 yd) of the hive, the bee performs a circular dance, first moving about 2 cm or more, and then circling in the opposite direction. Numerous bees in the hive closely follow the dancer, imitating her movements. During this ceremony the other workers scent the fragrance of the flowers from which the dancer collected the nectar. Having learned that food is not far from the hive, and what it smells like, the other bees leave the hive and fly in widening circles until they find the source. If the new source of nectar or pollen is from several hundred meters to 2 or 3 km away, the discoverer performs a more elaborate dance characterized by intermittent movement across the diameter of the circle, and constant and vigorous wagging of her abdomen. Every movement of this dance seems to have significance. The number of times the bee circles during a given interval informs the other bees how far to fly for the food. Movement across the diameter in a straight run indicates the direction of the food source. If the straight run is upward, the source is directly toward the sun. Should the straight run be downward, it signifies that the bees may reach the food by flying with their backs to the sun. In the event the straight run veers off at an angle to the vertical, the bees must follow a course to the right or left of the sun at the same angle that the straight run deviates from the vertical. Bees under observation in a glass hive demonstrate their instructions so clearly that it is possible for trained observers to understand the directions given by the dancers. There was also a cool little (long) animation that went with this. -Ben P.S. try looking at your local library :) >From manette@primenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!howlan d.reston.ans.net!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news. pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!news.fibr.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!primenet From: manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queenless Hive - What to do? Date: 3 May 1996 09:15:02 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 28 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4mdbe6$8u6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> X-Posted-By: ip193.msp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 I live in Minnesota and upon inspecting my four hives this spring I noticed that one of the hive had very few bees and no brood. My other three hives had good populations, active queens and many frames of new brood. Although I was able to find the queen in the week hive, there was no brood. I decided to kill off this hive, clean it out and put in a new package of bees with a new queen. I did this two weeks ago today. Upon inspecting this new hive, again I could not find any brood and I could not find the queen. I did notice that there were about ten queen cells. I am sure that the origional queen is no longer alive. My problem is that I am not sure what to do. The two options that I am considering are: Option 1: Leave the hive alone. I am thinking that the hive will make a new queen and as it is still early May it has plenty of time to recover. I may take a few frames of brood from the active hive and put them in the week hive to help get the population up. Option 2: Buy a new queen and re-queen the hive. This would accelerate the making of new brood and get the population growing the fastest. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please post suggestions to this news group or to my e-mail address at: manette@primenet.com Thanks for your help. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!a gis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Bee Trucks are Rollin'.....Tractor-trailer loads of honeybee hive Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605031710151883@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 106 are rolling north along >From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" >Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:42:36 -0400 >Subject: The Bee Trucks are Rollin'..... Hi Dave, GOOD JOB!, with some minor details that were maybe understated. > A survey of California beekeepers last year showed that pollination >service provided more total beekeeper income than honey production. I am sure this is what any "limited" survey would say, as the honey producers are, (how to say it), less then candid in stating what they are doing in California as elsewhere. California more times then not leads the nation in honey production, and if you were to add what California based bee's make out of state it would be much more. But it is true there are years that without the pollination income things would bee a lot leaner for California then it is with pollination. >true in some other fruit or vegetable regions of the country, as well. Many >crops must have bees. The biggest pollination event, of course is the >California almond crop, which needs about 300 thousand hives, and sucks bees >from as far away as Florida. Brokers have approached me, here in South >Carolina, to ship bees to almonds. California has a resident full time bee population that exceeds 400,000 hives and an additional 400,000 hives are brought to California for the spring Almond Bloom and the cash flow, estimated to be in excess of 10 million dollars, much of it is eaten up by ever increasing fuel costs. Gas seems to be following the retail price of honey which is about $2.00 a gallon or pound depending on which you are fueling up with. Some individual operations from out of state bring in tens of thousands of hives each. Beekeeper's from Florida did bring in many hives this winter and from what has been reported by other beekeepers some of them did not come in good condition and returned to Florida in no better condition. I am sure a lot of citrus honey was used to get them back in shape, pretty expensive feed at today's price. We have no "BeeLine" highways as such, but if all the bee hives in California were laid end to end it would be possible to walk from hive to hive without touching the pavement on highway 99 from Bakersfield to Sacramento and then some and thats several hundred miles. (Brian Ferguson ran that on his HP for me one night at a bee meeting when we both got burned out by other beekeepers wanting to spend our money for some socialistic bee program that would do no more for anyone then spend their money.) If you consider the total number of hives, a significant part of the total bee stocks in the United States, all concentrated on a single crop, and in a limited area, for the critical early spring build up time, it is no wonder that beekeepers all over the US are now having similar bee health problems. If one bee passes gas it could bee said that all will get a whiff of the odor in a short time considering how much of a bee is olfactory preceptors. BEE WARNED, and praise God none of us can afford the sophisticated DNA tests to determine the ancestors of our bees because for the last several seasons the F1 daughters of pure-o Tex-Mex bees have been in California by the thousands including their drones which could be pure Mexican in genetic history. None of these bees have posed any kind of threat or problem to the public or beekeepers in California or Texas, and NO reports of aggressive behaviour have been received. It is well to remember that way before the official finding of the one dead "1st killer" bee hive in a badger den hole in Kern County,..California had both feral and kept hives that have passed the metromorphicial(sp) tests for Afro genes and one feral hive in particular passed every know test for pure Afro genes. None of the hives tested in California showed any aggressive behaviour, and the one that was/is considered 100% by every scientific standard is living in a tree on a public golf course adjacent to a equestrian trail. The warning really is to be prepared that if someone is attacked and killed by bees, (and about a dozen people can be each year in the US statistically), that these people will be killed by "killer" bees, and if the DNA comes back AFRO you will be reading about it in the local papers. The truth will remain, it mattered not what the bee's roots are, if it kills you it is a "killer" bee, plain and simple. (AS is death by auto accident, reported as the "killer" FORD's or CHEVIES?) Well sounds like all US and Canadian beekeepers are busy and spring has sprung with a little more silence in the US bee yards and trees then what has been the norm in the recent past, and all beekeepers are going to be more then busy making up for the hives that have been lost. Well here in Central California our green season is about over and we are into our brown season, which may turn out to be a black one with all the grass and brush fires we have had a earlier then normal start on. Citrus honey production seems to be about 50-60 pounds per hive, but extracting of it is not done so it could be more or less. Potential for that BIG crop is not good in California because of the weather conditions, lack of rain in the prime southern areas, and hot winds, but I would expect it to be close to our normal one. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... A comely olde man as busie as a bee. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!raf fles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.v t.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Full/Part time employment, Honey Production Date: 4 May 1996 03:36:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4mejbt$euc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4megst$6rk@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4megst$6rk@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, Matt R Chambers wrote: >btw, if anyone does not think that this post is appropriate for this >newsgroup, please let me know. I was told not to post in the >sci.agriculture and some entomology group. I personally >don't think it is a problem but I would not want to piss anyone off. You can post whatever you like wherever you like: the appropriateness is the issue. Your post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping seems absolutely appropriate. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 5 13:44:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!a gis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is bee keeping commercially viable? Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 01:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605031859311886@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 46 P>From: ph3037@irix.bris.ac.uk (Christopher Dew) >Subject: Is bee keeping commercially viable? P>I was wondering how much honey honey-bees produced and how many hives you >would need to make sufficient profit for time invested. Hi Christopher, I am sure there are as many answers to that question as there are countries that bees can be kept in. Here in California the average is 1,000 hives per man year labor input and the capital investment today would be about $100.00 per hive. The annual cash costs could be as much or more then $50. per hive. The average bee business here is maybe 2,000 hives. But we have many with 7 to 15 thousand hives. The return from beekeeping in all studies done here in the last 40 years by several different government agency's and economists shows minimum wages and little or nothing returned for capital invested. Beekeeping can be very rewarding to those who love to live with much physical pain and do not mind the fact that they will never do as well as their brother in law working at some 8 to 5 inside clerk's job. Beekeeping requires 12 and 14 hour days and hundreds of nights away from home in California at least. Beekeeper wife's are considered widows by the local community and problems do arise. If you can get past all that there is nothing grater then the pride of keeping bee's, a job that can earn you and your family great respect in your community, and modest rewards for capital invested. Beekeepers who are fortunate enough to have a wife and children interested in keeping bees are double blessed and there are many in the beekeeping community that are three or four generations into the business. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where bee-hives range on a gray bench in the garden, >From mchamber@plains.nodak.edu Sun May 5 13:44:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.u oknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!plains!mchamber From: mchamber@plains.nodak.edu (Matt R Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Full/Part time employment, Honey Production Date: 4 May 1996 02:54:21 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network (NDHECN) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4megst$6rk@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Robson Honey Co, Carrington, North Dakota / Hillister, Texas Basically all range of work is available, from full time to just summer time jobs. Robson Honey Co. makes honey for Sue Bee. Currently we run roughly 6000 colonies, give or take a thousand. This year, because of increasing honey prices, we plan to run more colonies than usual. I am posting this article for my Dad, Bruce Chambers, who manages the company If anyone is interested or would like more info, please write back. Include a phone number and time you can be reached at if you would like to be contacted about possible employment. If you can refer anyone who is looking for employment that would be great as well. Thanks in advance. Matt Chambers btw, if anyone does not think that this post is appropriate for this newsgroup, please let me know. I was told not to post in the sci.agriculture and some entomology group. I personally don't think it is a problem but I would not want to piss anyone off. -- >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 5 13:44:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!raf fles.technet.sg!ntuix.ntu.ac.sg!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.v t.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on Bee "Dance"? Date: 4 May 1996 11:13:34 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4mfe4u$lno@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4m2krd$p6o@oly.olympic.net> <318AA43B.5E34@lynx.neu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <318AA43B.5E34@lynx.neu.edu>, Ben Syversen wrote: > >P.S. try looking at your local library :) If you want a complete bibliography on this topic and the famous ongoing controversy, email me. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From b-man@aliens.com Sun May 5 13:44:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!new s.dx.net!s150.aliens.com!user From: b-man@aliens.com (Kirk & Sharon Jones) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need bees Date: 4 May 1996 13:28:47 GMT Organization: BeeDazzled Candleworks Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: s150.aliens.com Hello all, We are looking for singles to purchase to replace our dead ones. We need 2 or 3 hundred singles. We may not have as many bees this year, but we sure have alot of good ferilizer ! It's amazing what a bit of bees can do in the garden. We're in Northern Michigan. >From glasnews@eskimo.com Sun May 5 13:44:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintl ink.net!news.accessone.com!news From: Alan Boyle Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding the Bees: Help? Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 10:29:49 -0700 Organization: AccessOne Lines: 16 Message-ID: <318B940D.1872@eskimo.com> Reply-To: glasnews@eskimo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: atboyle.accessone.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0JavaB1 (Macintosh; I; PPC) We have just received our bees and placed them in the hive - but now we're wondering about feeding. We have a Boardman feeder with a quart of sugar water, but is that really enough to sustain the bees in the early going? One of the books we've consulted indicates that it isn't. Is it enough of an emergency that we should try to run out and get a division board feeder or other such feeder? Also, we've been told that you can take some sugar candy and place it in the hive - if anyone can pass along a recipe for doing so, it would be appreciated. Maybe this is just a case of nervous parents worrying needlessly.... But anyway, I thought it would be good to put out a query. Thanks and regards, Alan Boyle (glasnews@eskimo.com) Bellevue, Wash. 206-957-0219 >From psyverse@lynx.neu.edu Sun May 5 13:44:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internet mci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntp.neu.edu!johnson From: Ben Syversen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wasp Question Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 14:39:50 -0700 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 3 Message-ID: <318BCEA6.5179@lynx.neu.edu> References: <4m03m6$pr1@news3.cts.com> <4lu4qf$khv@news3.cts.com> <4m7o0n$8vj@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: a-206-01.sp.neu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) I don't know much about wasps, but maybe you should try tracking a beeline, like it says in other articles in this newsgroup, and then kiling the nests. >From bcdickens@aol.com Sun May 5 13:44:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohi o-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsb f02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding the Bees: Help? Date: 4 May 1996 22:50:41 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mh521$i8l@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <318B940D.1872@eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <318B940D.1872@eskimo.com>, Alan Boyle writes: >We have just received our bees and placed them in the hive - but now >we're wondering about feeding. We have a Boardman feeder with a >quart of sugar water, but is that really enough to sustain the bees >in the early going? One of the books we've consulted indicates that >it isn't. Is it enough of an emergency that we should try to run out >and get a division board feeder or other such feeder? > Also, we've been told that you can take some sugar candy and >place it in the hive - if anyone can pass along a recipe for doing >so, it would be appreciated. > Maybe this is just a case of nervous parents worrying >needlessly.... But anyway, I thought it would be good to put out a >query. > > You shouldn't have a problem with the feeder. I prefer using the gallon size but you'll just have to fill your feeders more often. You may want to place your boardman feeder on the inner cover and then cover it with an empty brood chamber and then put the lid on that to avoid other bees from robbing your feeder. Sugar water is very appealing to all types of bees and when the feeder is wedged in the entrance it's very easy to rob. Boyd C Dickens >From jrose5@ix.netcom.com Sun May 5 13:44:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!ne ws.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix. netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: jrose5@ix.netcom.com(Jan S Rosenbaum) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: food crops Date: 4 May 1996 05:34:25 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4meq91$bbc@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp2-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 04 12:34:25 AM CDT 1996 A beekeeping friend mentioned that he heard that seven major food crops are pollinated only by honey bees. Does anyone know what they are? Reply to jrose5@ix.netcom.com or post here. Thanks >From Phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us Sun May 5 13:44:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!demos!solace!hk-r !news.ifm.liu.se!news.lejonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net.!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita. tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!news From: Steve Phillips Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees waste softdrink syrup Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 10:52:34 -0700 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <318A47E2.2552@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.201.83.33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I had been buying fructose syrup from a local Dr. Pepper bottler to feed to my bees. Recently when I went in to buy syrup the bottler told me he had a 55 gallon barrel of waste fructose that I could have for free. The only catch was that it had the flavoring for Dr. Pepper, Seven-up, and RC Cola mixed in. He said it was approximately 70% syrup and the rest was flavoring. Has anyone tried feeding this to bees? My local bee supplier says he has never tried it, but has heard that it can cause the bees to have diarrhea. If I can't feed it, does anyone have any good ideas as to how to safely dispose of it? I don't want to dump it dowm my drains because I have a septic tank. -Steve Phillips- >From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun May 5 13:44:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!ins ync!news.azstarnet.com!usr5ip43.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (J. Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: food crops Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 21:19:15 LOCAL Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4meq91$bbc@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr5ip43.azstarnet.com Keywords: pollination, crops, bees X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4meq91$bbc@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> jrose5@ix.netcom.com(Jan S Ro senbaum) writes: >From: jrose5@ix.netcom.com(Jan S Rosenbaum) >Subject: food crops >Date: 4 May 1996 05:34:25 GMT >A beekeeping friend mentioned that he heard that seven major food crops >are pollinated only by honey bees. Does anyone know what they are? >Reply to jrose5@ix.netcom.com or post here. Thanks Jan: Check in S.E. MacGregor's book on pollinated crops - don't have mine at hand right now, but the Bee Lab in Tucson can prob. send you one (don't EVERYBODY ask). Write Carl Hayden Bee Research Center 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 attn.: Diana Ward-Medley or call 520-670-6380 - I'm sure we can get you a copy, and prob a few to other interested beekeepers - it's a good book. Best Regards, John Edwards (better write soon !) >From bcdickens@aol.com Sun May 5 13:44:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf0 1.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queenless Hive - What to do? Date: 5 May 1996 00:54:43 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 58 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mhcaj$khj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4mdbe6$8u6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4mdbe6$8u6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) writes: >I live in Minnesota and upon inspecting my four hives this spring I noticed >that one of the hive had very few bees and no brood. My other three hives >had >good populations, active queens and many frames of new brood. Although I was > >able to find the queen in the week hive, there was no brood. I decided to >kill off this hive, clean it out and put in a new package of bees with a new >queen. I did this two weeks ago today. Upon inspecting this new hive, again > >I could not find any brood and I could not find the queen. I did notice that > >there were about ten queen cells. I am sure that the origional queen is no >longer alive. My problem is that I am not sure what to do. The two options >that I am considering are: > >Option 1: > >Leave the hive alone. I am thinking that the hive will make a new queen and >as it is still early May it has plenty of time to recover. I may take a few >frames of brood from the active hive and put them in the week hive to help >get >the population up. > >Option 2: > >Buy a new queen and re-queen the hive. This would accelerate the making of >new brood and get the population growing the fastest. > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please post suggestions to this news >group or to my e-mail address at: manette@primenet.com > > I would reccommend going with option 2. My first problem with Option 1 is if you couldn't find any brood then where did the workers find the egg to make a queen cell ? The real problem with the first option is the time factor and the risks involved with the making and then breeding of a new queen. Save yourself and the hive time and aggravation, simply buy a new queen. Good luck. Boyd C Dickens >From josephj@surf-ici.com Sun May 5 13:44:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!IP40 From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Full/Part time employment, Honey Production Date: Sun, 05 May 96 06:43:58 GMT Organization: Nonewhatsoever, ask my wife Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4mhisq$a1k@news.paonline.com> References: <4megst$6rk@daily-planet.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.40 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4megst$6rk@daily-planet.nodak.edu>, mchamber@plains.nodak.edu (Matt R Chambers) wrote: >Robson Honey Co, Carrington, North Dakota / Hillister, Texas > >Basically all range of work is available, from full time to just summer >time jobs. Robson Honey Co. makes honey for Sue Bee. Currently we run >roughly 6000 colonies, give or take a thousand. This year, because of >increasing honey prices, we plan to run more colonies than usual. I am >posting this article for my Dad, Bruce Chambers, who manages the company If >anyone is interested or would like more info, please write back. Include >a phone number and time you can be reached at if you would like to be >contacted about possible employment. If you can refer anyone who is >looking for employment that would be great as well. Thanks in advance. > ( Warning...a "When I was YOUR age story" coming...) My first honest job was unloading trucks. It wasn't glamourous, it was hard, dirty work. I enjoyed the feeling of accomplishment when I had finished. It taught me that there *IS* joy to be found in work...it also taught me to never QUIT. If There are any teens that may be thinking of applying, the lessons you learn will be of value down the road. The pay will buy stuff, but the work will earn you memories that can't be stolen. >btw, if anyone does not think that this post is appropriate for this >newsgroup, please let me know. I was told not to post in the >sci.agriculture and some entomology group. I personally >don't think it is a problem but I would not want to piss anyone off. > They'll get over it.:) >From cmcguire@cnmnet.com Sun May 5 13:44:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci .com!consolidated.ccinet.net!lpm1s19.cnmnet.com!user From: cmcguire@cnmnet.com (Charla McGuire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Parasites & Feverfew Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 08:16:00 -0500 Organization: Consolidated Communications Incorporated Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lpm1s19.cnmnet.com Hi All, I don't have any hives yet, but I'm planning on being ready to start beekeeping by next spring. In the meantime, I'm reading everything I can get my hands on pertaining to the care & feeding of bees. Recently I was reading an article in "Countryside" magazine (Mar/Apr issue) and ran across an article on beekeeping that was written by a man named Frank Fedorchuk of Pearblossom, Ca. He recommended planting feverfew (Chrysanthemum Pyrethrum) about a foot in front of the hive. He said that for bee hobbyists, it is helpful in controlling mites. Has anyone ever heard of this or tried it? He said that the bees land on the plant after leaving the hive and that the natural pyrethrum produced by feverfew knocks off and kills any mites the bee is carrying, but that the amount produced by the plant is not harmful to bees. This sounds reasonable, but I thought I'd check it out with some of you more experienced people before filing it in the bee info folder. He also had a nifty recommendation for transporting hives, if anyone is interested. He suggests placing an old inner tube under the hive, partially filled, to cushion the ride so that the bees aren't as badly shaken by bumps in the road. He uses a bicycle tube for small hives, and a small car inner tube for large ones. If you all knew about this already, I appologize for repeating... EVERYTHING is new to me! Regards, Charla >From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun May 5 13:44:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!po rtal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.ne t!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tom.compulink.co.uk From: MICHAEL HURLEY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood preservation Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 08:21:43 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: Reply-To: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.compulink.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Sun, 5 May 96 09:15 BST-1 X-Mail2News-Path: tom.compulink.co.uk From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews2.nwnet.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uo regon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmo re.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: European Wasps & Bees Date: 9 May 1996 07:10:25 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4ms5p1$usn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4mme9r$cqs@oznet20.ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Michael Clark (mfclark@ozemail.com.au) wrote: : - What effect do the wasps have on bee hives. I have noticed the : wasps attacking live bees. Do I need to worry? Later in the year (mid-summer) at my sites, yellow jackets area also a problem. If the hive is strong they may make it in, but usually get carried out dead or maimed. If the hive is weak and there is no entrance reducer they can make it in and forage at will. (E.g., hives succumbing >from varroa last Sept.) THey also go after incoming foragers and if successful in knocking them down and grappling them, will usually be able to dismember them and carry off the pieces (usually they are assisted by other yellowjackets). Once the guards are alerted, it will often be the guards that end up getting eaten (though they seem to have a better rate of survival - probably because they are already alert and aggressive as opposed to loaded down and intent on landing. Drones are also at high risk. During the massacre of the drones, I'd say those driven out have a halflife of 10 minutes or less due to wasp predation. WIll it hurt the hive? Well.... I don't really think it's doing much damage to the strong hives and the weak ones are usually already on their way out anyway. One could argue it's similar to the wax moth issue: they don't initiate the demise of a hive, but are symptomatic of it. I'm sure someone out there has had hives decimated or worse by YJs, but here, even with large numbers of them (see below), I'd say they're more of a nuisance than anything. They will tend to keep your bees in a more agitated (read: cranky) state though. : - I tried to set up a trap to catch the wasps but it didn't work. : Maybe I used the wrong bait. Any ideas? I use traps made of 1 liter soda bottles. (Basic funnel design). Use protein as a bait and soapy water to drwon them in. I was catching over a hundred per day at a site with only 4 hives. Then, last year I decided to try feeding them instead. I just set up a pail feeder 20 ft from the bees and let the YJs go to it (sugar water). THe bees were interested but stayed away due to the massive YJ concentration. But most important, the YJs seemed to concentrate here and leave the bees alone. There must have been some pretty large nests out there by Labor Day... I think the live and let live solution was superior - at least in late summer, and less clean-up too. Dave >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:07 EDT 1996 Article: 4347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnew s.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help: Slugs in Hive! Date: 9 May 1996 07:21:51 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ms6ef$usn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4mmn45$k3h@kryten.awinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Craig Gammon (ccgammon@awinc.com) wrote: : Anyone know why one of my hives has a slug problem inside the : brood box? The hive is situated amongst blueberry bushes with four : other hives. The other four colonies are fine, but not this one! : Could this hive a moisture problem? Right now, its got a transport top : for a lid; however, other hives of mine currently are sporting : transportation lids without slug problems. Is there a danger to the : hive itself? The farmer is putting out salt in a circle around the : hive, however, how can I rid myself of them permanently? : Craig G. I have this problem too (in addition to yellow jackets, possums, ornery kids, and snakes). Philadelphia summers are hot and muggy. Every year by midsummer there'll be a phalanx of bees blocking large (6") slugs trying to get in (at night). I don't know if they do much damage if they get in. For the most part they seem to be happy eating the dead bees and other matter near the entrances. Try elevating the hives a foot or two. The bees don't seem to be able to sting the slugs but can usually impede them. Elevation should reduce the likelihood of the slugs smelling them out. It's helped here, anyway. Dave >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Thu May 23 13:50:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help: Slugs in Hive! Date: 9 May 1996 13:29:04 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4msrv0$3ba@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4mmn45$k3h@kryten.awinc.com> <4ms6ef$usn@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/4ms6ef$usn@netnews.upenn.edu djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >Craig Gammon (ccgammon@awinc.com) wrote: Is there a danger to the >: hive itself? The farmer is putting out salt in a circle around the >: hive, however, how can I rid myself of them permanently? > >: Craig G. > >For the most part they seem to be happy eating the dead bees and other >matter near the entrances. Try elevating the hives a foot or two. The >bees don't seem to be able to sting the slugs but can usually impede them. >Elevation should reduce the likelihood of the slugs smelling them out. >It's helped here, anyway. > >Dave Elevating may help a little. The salt will only help until the next rain unles s you set the feet of the hive stand in saucers of salt. Reducing the slug population would help. Reducing the decaying organic matter on the ground around your hives would help, but doesn't sound very practical where you are. You might try diatomaceous earth around the hive stands. It is abrasive and the slugs don't like to crawl over it. You can also try the usual slug bait tricks. You could also lay out a small piece of tar paper or asphalt shingle on the ground next to the hive. Then check under it every day and squish the slugs under it. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc. mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.co m!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: safe insecticide? Date: 9 May 1996 09:42:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 77 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4mssnl$gst@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In article , irene@pondside.uchicago.edu (Irene) writes: >Subject: safe insecticide? >From: irene@pondside.uchicago.edu (Irene) >Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:07:13 GMT > >Hello, everyone, > >I need to know of insecticides that can be sprayed on plants that won't >decimate bee populations. > I am conducting an herbivory experiment this summer, and my plants are >bee-pollinated (Atropa belladonna, and Datura, in the Solanaceae- the >potato family). >I expect the insects to be a combination of lepidopteran insects and flea >beetles, and I don't know what else. If your crop is not blooming, bees will not be present, so you need not be concerned with bees picking up poison. (I assume you will keep the crop free of blooming weeds that might attract bees.) If the crop is blooming, the label of the proposed material will tell you what you need to know. The label directions are not only informative, they are the law. There are two types of bee directions. One is for materials that are only toxic by direct contact, and the other is for materials that are toxic by direct contact and by residue. If the label indicates only toxicity by direct contact, you can monitor to see the time that the bees finish foraging the blossoms and make the application after cessation. If the residues are toxic, there are tables in most pesticide manuals that tell how long the toxicity lasts. Will bees be foraging again within that time? If so, switch to a non-residual material. Another factor is the blossom of the particular plant. If the blossom opens in the morning, and closes in the afternoon, never to reopen, you could use more residual materials, because the bees will not contact it. The greatest hazard occurs from bees gathering contaminated pollen. It is carried externally, and the field bee that carries it may be unaffected, but it will then be fed to brood and young bees that secrete brood food, causing dieoff, as long as the contaminated pollen lasts. Hives can be killed outright, or lose a whole generation of young, making them consumers rather than producers. I have fed tons of corn syrup trying to help bees recover from pesticide misuse, sometimes sucessfully, sometimes not, but always expensive. I live in an area with a lot of agricultural and mosquito spraying, and I have always been afraid of liability problems, if I were to collect and sell pollen, though there is certainly a great demand for it. I fear that a lot of pollen is sold untested, that is badly contaminated. Honey is processed internally by the bee, so poisons would be lost in the honey stomach of the dead bees, and honey has always tested remarkably pure. Powdered forms of carbamates, organiphosphates, and microencapsulated forms are most often gathered with pollen, as grains size is often similar. Would that all applicators were as cautious as you. Thank you. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Afterthought: Your caterpillars may be susceptible to Bt, which is not toxic to bees. A strain of Bt was used for many years to combat wax worms in supers of comb. That is another possible alternative. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From caa@cdc.noaa.gov Thu May 23 13:50:08 EDT 1996 Article: 4350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!boulder!caa From: caa@cdc.noaa.gov (Craig Anderson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Honey Date: 9 May 1996 17:07:34 GMT Organization: Climate Diagnostics Center Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4mt8om$531@lace.colorado.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: solberg.colorado.edu Hi Have seen a few posts here about people selling some of their honey. I am looking for unusual types from either tree, shrub or flowering plants to make mead from. Could some of you please quote me a price on 12 lb lots delivered to the Denver area, obviously the crop can be from last year or upcoming harvests towards the July/August time frame. Thanks, Craig caa@cdc.noaa.gov >From rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.e du!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usen et From: rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Jolyon Jenkins") Subject: Uniting hives Message-ID: Organization: . Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:41:10 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 23 Can someone remind me about uniting hives? (lost the text book) I had a swarm at the weekend (my own fault for not paying attention); but took it and rehived it in a single super, where it seems quite happy if a bit cramped. I want to unite it with the hive it came from (now somewhat depleted). My questions are: a) Should I leave the colony to settle down before uniting it with the old one? If so for how long? b) How important is it to take out the queen from the swarm? Or can I just let the two queens battle it out? My problem is that I am hopeless at finding the queen, so if I can manage without it would make life much easier. TIA Jolyon Jenkins >From jules@psyber.com Thu May 23 13:50:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sierra.net!psybe r.com!usenet From: jules@psyber.com (Julie Ann Brunner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No new brood! Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 17:37:30 GMT Organization: Psyberware Internet Access Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4mtddu$kh7@warez.psyber.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eurekg.psyber.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I live in Sacramento, and clean my hive about every two weeks in the spring. They swarmed about a month ago and I put them back in the hive, where they stayed, rather than splitting it. Last week I realized that there was NO NEW BROOD in the hive, none. I saw the queen, so she is there, and the hive has been active every day collecting. I was thinking maybe they swarmed again when I wasn't here and the new queen hasn't mated yet (there were a lot of drones in the hive and several empty queen cups). Does anybody have an opinion? Should I re-queen or just leave them alone for another week or so as long as the hive behaves in a healthy manner as it is now. I would have had no idea from external observation that the queen isn't laying. Post here, or e-mail me if you have any comments. I was hoping to collect a little blackberry blossom honey this year, but I didn't put the super on. Jules@psyber.com >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Thu May 23 13:50:09 EDT 1996 Article: 4353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howl and.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.intern etmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm a Newbee (Help) Date: 9 May 1996 22:50:33 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4mtsrp$30g@news.sandia.gov> References: <4mqmro$e24@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I have 27 hives on a steep hill all facing uphill. I use pallets cut in half and place big rocks under the back side to tilt the stands uphill. When working from the back of the hive (the downhill side) the hive is at a height that makes stooping over less of a burden. I don't see the hill as being a bad thing. A worse thing would be placing my hives somewhere other than right out back on my own land. Since my bees are at home I can wander around them daily which would not be possible if they were on some one elses property. Don't sweat it. I know my bees don't care and they get my full attention since they are at home. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!can cer.vividnet.com!news4.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy. nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BK-ECONOMICS Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:59:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605091739011926@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 104 GK>From: Good Knight >Date: Wed, 08 May 96 13:54:49 -1000 >Subject: Re: BK-ECONOMICS GK>Let me introduce myself. My name is Jeff. >And there you have it....you now know a beekeeper that has a Mac >computer. Happy to meet you, Jeff! And to know your beekeeping cpu is a Mac, Hi Mac! Mac's are famous for their good graphics, and I lied, I do know one beekeeper who uses a Mac, I forgot the CALIFORNIA BEE TIMES, the newsletter of the California Beekeepers Association is put out by some school kids using a Mac. GK>>What is it going to take to wake up the tax supported institutions GK>Well my poor old Mac doesn't quiet have the grunt of your 486-66 so I'm >not too sure what you mean by "the high end of the computer technology >market". The high end to me means high price, and low market visibility. Most beekeepers would not be found dead going into any computer store and depend on the likes of K-MART or worse yet Wall Mart, bringing home last years model of the great Packard Bell computer mostly at last years high prices. They really are not all that bad, and I just picked up one left over several years at a Wall Mart for 555$ adding 8 megs of memory and a 28.8 bd modem (not from Wall Mart), it has made a fair demo machine for Netscape and our local TELIS internet provider. Telis is a division of MCI and provides low cost internet access. Here it is $12. for 60 hrs a month, and has attracted 300 of our local folks to use the Telis 800 number to get on the net. Not bad for a farm community of 13,000 with 80% of incomes in the low income level according to the government. GK>I agree that IBM compatible dos or windoze would have reached the larger >market but then why should the tax dollar only support IBM clones to the >exclusion of Mac users out there. I'm sure there are plenty of products >you could use on your IBM (I know I have a lot for my IBM) so don't be >too vocal when someone puts out something for other platforms that you >personally may not like. Everybody, even Mac users, are entitled to a >cut of the tax dollar. I guess a better question is should our tax dollar's be spent for any government activity that we can do for ourself. I suspect the answer to that question is that though I may have a "end it all program" for my beekeeping business I may not want to share it, or will price it out of reason, and the government can do something that will benefit all at a reasonable cost. So far..more times then not it has not worked out that way, and to create programs that are not useful to all is IMHO a waste of everyone's taxes and at the least hard for me to support. It bad enough to be doing work that the majority of the beekeeping community who do not have computers will never benefit from. I want to see programs that will attract more beekeepers into the computer age. In this area only 30 percent of the beekeeper homes have cpu's and only one beekeeper is a hands on users and another's wife does the books on a cpu, thats one out of ten commercial beekeepers. Part of the problem continues to bee little to attract them into computing. From the write up in the ABJ, it appeared to me that this would be the type of program that could increase interest in beekeepers getting into their computers, so I was very disappointed to see it continued the tradition of limited value by restricting its use to one brand or OS of computer. I also do not like the idea that if a beekeeper did become interested and wanted to use the program he would be advised to get a Mac as I don't believe that is what anyone should have for a first computer today. I should have know better as I had to read the article in the ABJ several times and never did find information on the availability of the program. I know it is promised that there will be versions for other platforms other then Mac, but thats in the future but the promotion was yesterday and beekeepers have short memories. In any case please let us know how the program is working for you on your Mac and if you have found it to be useful in your own beekeeping activities. ttul Andy- *NOTE My post was not meant to be a MAC Attack, and I am happy that so many of you are MAC owners and so proud of it. For most beekeepers of the commercial bent the MAC premium has priced it out of our market and we have had to settle for less then the best. In the future this may change but then there are the "Winds of 95", and myself I am looking at the Merlin flavor of OS/2 soon to bee released. A lot depends on what and how you are using your cpu, but it must be remembered at least here in California our beekeepers are not normally power users and will continue to shop for price when looking for their first computer and that will for the foreseeable future keep them out of the MAC market. BTW: I have used a MAC for flight training, I failed, not sure if it was the air sickness or the fact I could not land the plane without creating a crater in the runway. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ þ Standards are wonderful. So many to choose from! >From ajdel@interramp.com Thu May 23 13:50:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix .sunydutchess.edu!ub!newserve!rebecca!rpi!ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu!scisun!psin ntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip114.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many bees are really in a colony ? Date: 8 May 1996 11:42:52 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4mq1bs$mpv@usenet5.interramp.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip114.herndon2.va.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:52:13 GMT In article Graham & Annie Law, Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk writes: >'...after 510 colonies had been measured, The boy-scientist within me can't help wondering how this is done. Anybody know? Count the legs and divide by 6? AJ ajdel@interramp.com >From tvf@umich.edu Thu May 23 13:50:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!neonlights.uoregon.edu!new s.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei .com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting hives Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:04:24 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 48 Message-ID: <31935AF8.7922@umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Jolyon Jenkins wrote: > > Can someone remind me about uniting hives? (lost the text book) > > I had a swarm at the weekend (my own fault for not paying attention); but > took > it and rehived it in a single super, where it seems quite happy if a bit > cramped. I want to unite it with the hive it came from (now somewhat > depleted). > > My questions are: > > a) Should I leave the colony to settle down before uniting it with the > old one? > If so for how long? > b) How important is it to take out the queen from the swarm? Or can I > just let > the two queens battle it out? My problem is that I am hopeless at finding > the > queen, so if I can manage without it would make life much easier. First a question for you. When you say "super", do you mean a shallow super wh ich you plan to use for honey production and wish to get the new brood out of as so on as possible? I assume that the above scenario holds. If so: a) No - you can unite these two sub-colonies at any time. b) You must take some action about the queen, or you may have another swarm ver y soon after uniting the colonies. Two possibilities: 1) In my opinion, the easiest thing to do is just find the old queen in th e swarm colony and kill her, then put the two together and forget about the queens. You ought to practice identifying the queen whenever you look into a colony. It's really not that ha rd. 2) If you really can't find the queen, try a temporary two-queen colony by putting a double sceen board between the two. (Be sure the top colony has its own entran ce!) The colony on the original stand will have made a new queen and the swarm colony wi ll usually soon supercede its queen and make a new one of its own. Check them bot h in about three weeks to see if a vigorous queen is laying in both colonies. Then, just remove the double screen board and let the queen situation take care of itself. You'll have a lot of nice brood for a quick build-up, and a new queen so they shouldn't swa rm again. If, however, you must get the queen out of the super so you can use it for hone y rather than brood, you'll either now have to find the queen and put her below, or alte rnatively shake all the bees from the top colony frames into the bottom colony, then plac e a queen excluder between colonies, and just let the brood develop and emerge. You'll h ave to still give this "super" an entrance, or emerging drones will get stuck in the exclude r and die there, really clogging it up! Hope this helps. Ted Fischer >From tvf@umich.edu Thu May 23 13:50:10 EDT 1996 Article: 4357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!neonlights.uoregon.edu!new s.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei .com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No new brood! Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:11:24 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 20 Message-ID: <31935C9C.3F6@umich.edu> References: <4mtddu$kh7@warez.psyber.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Julie Ann Brunner wrote: > > I live in Sacramento, and clean my hive about every two weeks in the > spring. They swarmed about a month ago and I put them back in the > hive, where they stayed, rather than splitting it. Last week I > realized that there was NO NEW BROOD in the hive, none. I saw the > queen, so she is there, and the hive has been active every day > collecting. I was thinking maybe they swarmed again when I wasn't > here and the new queen hasn't mated yet (there were a lot of drones in > the hive and several empty queen cups). Does anybody have an opinion? > Should I re-queen or just leave them alone for another week or so as > long as the hive behaves in a healthy manner as it is now. There is evidently a problem with the new queen. After you put the swarm back with the original colony, the old queen likely was killed. The new queen may have had p roblems in her mating flights, or prehaps bad weather prevented her from getting out. In any event, the bees seem to have accepted her anyway. You should get a new queen f rom a producer as soon as possible and introduce her after killing the present queen. Ted Fischer >From bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca Thu May 23 13:50:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.c ac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hookup!news. nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!news.unb.ca!news.nbnet.nb.ca!stjhts03c14.nbnet.nb.ca !bnixon From: bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca (Beth Nixon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ?What 2 do with propolis, wax, & burnt honey? Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:26:52 Organization: Stone Brook Products Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: stjhts03c14.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I inherited a small bee business this year and have been busy studying books, reading the posts here, and looking to a somewhat experienced beekeeper for guidance. The question which I am searching an answer for, has to do with the uncapping and draining tray which was left with wax, propolis, and burnt honey in it throughout the winter. I have attempted to melt most of it off. What do I do with what drains into the container at the end? How do I clean the tray properly? Please offer any information that you can by posting or sending to bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca Thank you in advance. >From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl. gov!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net !demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many bees are really in a colony ? Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:45:45 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <0uLPpCApS2kxEw46@gandboss.demon.co.uk> References: <4mq1bs$mpv@usenet5.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> In article <4mq1bs$mpv@usenet5.interramp.com>, A.J.deLange@? writes >In article Graham & Annie Law, >Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk writes: >>'...after 510 colonies had been measured, > >The boy-scientist within me can't help wondering how this is done. >Anybody know? Count the legs and divide by 6? Fool ! you count the antenna and devide by 2, who wants to count all these legs ! :-> Paraphrased quote from the same article... "The combs with bees are taken out of he hive one by one and compard with photographic reproductions, and this makes it a relativly easy job to estimate fairly closely the number of bees on each side of every comb. In summer an alternative method is used, weigh the comb, shake off the bees then re weigh the comb." (to Adam F.. I don't think I'll bother, just wanted to start the discussion.) Graham GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. >From morgain9@ally.ios.com Thu May 23 13:50:11 EDT 1996 Article: 4360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.jsums.edu!neonlights.uoregon.edu!new s.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.ios.c om!news2.ios.com!ally.ios.com!morgain9 From: morgain9@ally.ios.com (Morgaine Nidana) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WTB Honey Date: 10 May 1996 16:10:10 GMT Organization: Internet Online Services Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4mvpp2$ocn@news2.ios.com> References: <4mt8om$531@lace.colorado.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ally.ios.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Craig Anderson (caa@cdc.noaa.gov) wrote: : Hi : Have seen a few posts here about people selling some of their honey. : I am looking for unusual types from either tree, shrub or flowering plants : to make mead from. : Could some of you please quote me a price on 12 lb lots delivered to : the Denver area, obviously the crop can be from last year or upcoming harvest s : towards the July/August time frame. : Thanks, Craig : caa@cdc.noaa.gov And I have a similar request for San Francisco. I would ideally like to buy honey from the very local area, perhaps from the coastal scrib communities? The Lughnasa time frame (August/Sept) works for me as well. Thanks, Morgaine mnidana@netbox.com >From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory. edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net !demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No new brood! Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:27:26 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <199605101727.SAA00713@apis.demon.co.uk> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Mail2News-Path: relay-4.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk In article <4mtddu$kh7@warez.psyber.com> you wrote: : I live in Sacramento, and clean my hive about every two weeks in the : spring. They swarmed about a month ago and I put them back in the : hive, where they stayed, rather than splitting it. Last week I : realized that there was NO NEW BROOD in the hive, none. I saw the : queen, so she is there, and the hive has been active every day : collecting. I was thinking maybe they swarmed again when I wasn't : here and the new queen hasn't mated yet (there were a lot of drones in : the hive and several empty queen cups). Does anybody have an opinion? : Should I re-queen or just leave them alone for another week or so as : long as the hive behaves in a healthy manner as it is now. I would : have had no idea from external observation that the queen isn't : laying. Post here, or e-mail me if you have any comments. I was : hoping to collect a little blackberry blossom honey this year, but I : didn't put the super on. If you took no further action after you returned the swarm, I'd say they swarmed again. You may well also have had some 'casts' or after swarms. If that _is_ the case, then it's probably too early yet to see brood, though the new queen should be mated now or at any moment. However, if you don't see eggs at least in another week, you should start to get worried. A good test for possible queenlessness is to put in a frame of mixed brood (must have eggs or _very_ young larvae) into the colony -- if they draw emergency queen cells, you can fairly safely assume that they're queenless. Listen to the bees -- if they sound normal they are *probably* ok, if they are buzzy and uptight, they probably have a problem. Don't put a new queen in unless you're sure the old one is gone, either by loss or because you removed her -- the workers will kill the new queen if they still have one of their own. Regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Embryo Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. >From PAYNTER@upei.ca Thu May 23 13:50:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msf c.nasa.gov!sgigate.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nstn.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca! upei.ca!usenet From: PAYNTER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND QUARANTINE Date: 10 May 1996 18:43:02 GMT Organization: University of Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown, PEI Canada Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4n02nn$65u@atlas.cs.upei.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc155.avc.upei.ca The Prince Edward Island Beekeepers' Association wishes to notify all travellers to PEI who may be actively receiving treatment with api- therapy that the importation of bees to our province is strictly prohibited. We have had a quaratine in place for five years to pre- vent mite infested bees from coming in. Please observe this law! Anyone requiring live bees for a treatment program may receive bees >from the Association by contacting us at Prince Edward Island Beekeepers' Cooperative Association, PO Box 1114, Charlottetown, PEI Canada C1A 7M8 or E-mail me. If anyone has information regarding Apitherapy Centres that we should notify re: quarantine please contact us. >From ccgammon@awinc.com Thu May 23 13:50:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news feed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How many bees are really in a colony ? Date: 10 May 1996 22:46:04 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4n0gvc$80v@kryten.awinc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes19.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I simply estimate 2,000 bees per fully covered frame. Last year, I had a couple hives that got up towards 50,000, however, average for me is 35,000. Craig G. >From ccgammon@awinc.com Thu May 23 13:50:12 EDT 1996 Article: 4364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news feed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news From: ccgammon@awinc.com (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting hives Date: 10 May 1996 22:52:55 GMT Organization: A & W Internet Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4n0hc7$80v@kryten.awinc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pmes19.rapid.awinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article , rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk says... >My questions are: > >a) Should I leave the colony to settle down before uniting it with the >old one? I'd be careful about reuniting a swarm back with its original colony. I've read somewhere that that won't work! >If so for how long? We hope to get some swarms this year, as we do every year. Our plan is to allow the swarm to settle for a few days and unite it, via the paper method, with a weak colony. >b) How important is it to take out the queen from the swarm? Or can I >just let >the two queens battle it out? My problem is that I am hopeless at finding >the >queen, so if I can manage without it would make life much easier. > It may seem mean to the queen, however, I'd just as soon let the queens fight it out than search for one, especially if the colony is quite large! The strongest one will survive, thus giving you the best of two queens. Craig G. >From jeffs@daknet.com Thu May 23 13:50:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!new s.tcd.net!news From: jeffs@daknet.com (Jeff Schlenker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bee Blues (Swarming) Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 01:52:28 GMT Organization: NETConnect Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4n0rsa$bh6@news.tcd.net> References: <318DE0F2.2336@edc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip4.daknet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Michael Humphrys wrote: >Open questions: >1. It's Monday (May 6) and the hive is still sealed. We are planning > on removing the screening this afternoon. Is this too soon, too > late, or about the right time? Yea that should have been plenty of time. How did it turn out? >2. None of the beekeepers I talked with had ever heard of the workers > swarming without a queen. Can anyone shed any light on this > occurance? This does happen quite often when the queen is in a cage... The bees will swarm , expecting the queen to come with... However when they "realize" that the queen isn't with them, they will go back to the hive... They may do this several times a day, actually, until the queen is out of the cage. >3. Any idea what the substance on the queen might have been? The only thing I could guess is it was the candy that was put in the cage. Did you by any chance place the cage in the hive in such a way that the candy could have melted onto her? Another idea.... it's possible that the queen was bad, and the bees were attempting to raise a new one in the cage... although I've never seen such a thing. But I suppose it's possible. In that case the white substance would be "royal jelly". Jeff Schlenker Hazel, SD USA http://www.daknet.com/~jeffs >From fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca Thu May 23 13:50:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!rcogate.rco.q c.ca!altitude!necillu.hip.cam.org!user From: fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Super protection Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 02:09:47 -0400 Organization: Necessary Illusions Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: necillu.hip.cam.org X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0.1 It's my first year building hives. It may sound frivolous but I would like to preserve the natural beauty of the wood. I realize it is customary to paint hives white but I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a varnish, shellac or other transparent finish? Is there a preferred wood preservative? I live in CANADA so it would be useful if someone could indicate to me products available here. Thanks >From ibm.net Thu May 23 13:50:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTO WNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Using old bee equipment Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:54:04 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1996May10.215404.1762213@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-178-75.bc.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Check for visable signs of disease, or better yet have it inspected by a bee inspector, something we no longer really have here. If it looks good it probably is. >From ibm.net Thu May 23 13:50:13 EDT 1996 Article: 4368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!undefined!TTO WNSE From: TTOWNSE@undefined Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re. Winter losses Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:58:23 GMT Organization: ADVANTIS Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1996May10.215823.2021514@undefined> Reply-To: ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-178-75.bc.ca.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader 3.0 Here in Alberta the reports are from 15%-85% loss, it was indeed a hard winter, some mites, some two year old queens, some off shore queens, some canola feed, mostly just a long winter after a poor summer, now its a terrible spring. Go figure, just when the honey is worth something?????? >From tdosaj@blvl.igs.net Thu May 23 13:50:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!nntp.igs.ne t!usenet From: adosaj Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE VENOM Date: 10 May 1996 17:03:06 GMT Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4mvssb$ej7@nntp.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttya10.blvl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping I have high quality bee venom for sale. Please contact me for specifications. Arun >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Thu May 23 13:50:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!nsf.gov!pubxfer.news.psi.net!p ubxfer.news.psi.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Honey Flow Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:56:19 GMT Lines: 14 The honey flow in the Columbia SC area is in full swing with my hives gaining 8-10 pounds a day (I have a swarm that I hived on drawn comb the second week in March on a scale). What's happening elsewhere in the southeast? Holly, Tulip Poplar is in full bloom. Thanks, Dave M. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu May 23 13:50:14 EDT 1996 Article: 4371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 11:32:48 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4n1vv9$l3r@chile.it.earthlink.net> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool054.max1.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >Anybody tried using plexiglass or lexan (spelling?) instead of glass in >an observation hive? Yes. I have used plexiglass for three semi-permanent observation hives that are for public viewing at nature museums. It is much safer than glass and viewing is just as good. The plexiglass does get a very film of propolis on it as time goes on. I replace most plexiglass after a year or two. Not sure if they propolis it more than glass, though. Cheers, John in Dallas >From 100341.2110@compuserve.com Thu May 23 13:50:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: 100341.2110@compuserve.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help: Slugs in Hive! Date: 11 May 1996 14:43:40 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4n292s$oki@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> References: 4ms6ef$usn@netnews.upenn.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dd61-081.compuserve.com X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.03 On 9 May 1996 djt said: >Craig Gammon (ccgammon@awinc.com) wrote: >: transportation lids without slug problems. Is there a danger to >the : hive itself? The farmer is putting out salt in a circle >around the : hive, however, how can I rid myself of them >permanently? >: Craig G. >I have this problem too (in addition to yellow jackets, possums, >ornery kids, and snakes). Philadelphia summers are hot and muggy. >Every year by midsummer there'll be a phalanx of bees blocking >large (6") slugs trying to get in (at night). I don't know if they >do much damage if they get in. For the most part they seem to be >happy eating the dead bees and other matter near the entrances. >Try elevating the hives a foot or two. The bees don't seem to be >able to sting the slugs but can usually impede them. Elevation >should reduce the likelihood of the slugs smelling them out. It's >helped here, anyway. >Dave Here we have our hives on a kind of table and put fur around its feet. This prevents the slugs and the ants to climb up those feet. I suppose one could also use velcro for the same purpose. `[1;31;43mNet-Tamer V 1.03 - Test Drive >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Thu May 23 13:50:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 10:05:05 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4n2mcl$mi9@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-13.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: > wondering if the bees would be more inclined to >propolizing a non-glass surface. My observation hive uses glass and its been my experience that the bees tend to put a very thin layer of wax over everything - including glass! I don't get the problem of warping that some observation hives suffer from plexiglas (but then again, the unescorted plubic doesn't see my hive so I don't have the potential for someone 'breaking' the glass either). BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!news4.agis.net!a gis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED BEANs Save the BEES Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 03:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605110742441949@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 60 ---------------------------------------- *FOLLOW UP on Neem* ---------------------------------------- >Subject: Re: NEED BEANs Save the BEES SS>>BEANS, beans the musical fruit comes in time of need to the >>keepers of bees! Or is it all just passing gas? SS>I gather from the ridicule that you poured out on the subject of neem >research and honeybees, that you do not have much use for the researchers or >their methods, Andy. For all I know about the subject, and that is next to >nothing, you could be perfectly correct. However, my curiosity was aroused, >and I wanted to get beyond the ridicule to obtain some facts about what the >experiments involved and what the results were. However, when I send an SS>Does anyone know who is actually doing experiments on bees using neem and >what their address is? It is a little bit unclear in your post whether >these are the people doing the research. I don't think it was your >intention to encourage people to spend time investigating this! :-) Hi Stan, Sorry you did not find my humor funny, and yes the idea is to have beekeeper's take the lead and judge for themselves as many are and at the same time bee careful. My post may reek of black humor but are not meant to ridicule anyone and should maybe be read as you would political commentary. I believe that the day of depending on others (government institutions) to satisfactory solve beekeeping problems ended long ago in the United States but at the same time I am one of a handful of long time commercial beekeepers who has always support both basic and applied beekeeping research and have done so when other beekeepers would not, from what ever political base I have worked from within the industry or the land grant university system we have here in the US. Much of the information on Neem has been published in the Bee Journals, and I don't know exactly what current research is going on at this time, except that some is. Beekeeper's here have found the Neem chemical is available from their friendly local farm chemical supplier and are doing their own testing. The material tested at Beaver Lodge is available at most garden stores at a much higher cost then the farm chemical. I had no trouble finding much information on neem by using the first internet search engine I came onto with "neem extract" as the search words. Some of the info is several years old, and it is hard to track down via the old internet text pages. ttul Andy- PS If I seem a little harsh on beekeeping academics please forgive me it is from years of experience and I must say many friendships within the beekeeping scientific community and my personal style at deflating some bureaucratic egos. Please read what I have to say but consider the source, a beekeeper, nothing more, nothing less. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Where bee-hives range on a gray bench in the garden, >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:15 EDT 1996 Article: 4375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!overlo ad.lbl.gov!news.emf.net!imci3!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.c om!ncar!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!u wm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn. edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: 11 May 1996 03:26:28 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Anybody tried using plexiglass or lexan (spelling?) instead of glass in an observation hive? I'm wondering if the bees would be more inclined to propolizing a non-glass surface. Dave >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Thu May 23 13:50:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Super protection Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 10:38:22 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4n2ob5$mi9@news-f.iadfw.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-13.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 fmiquet@necessaryillusions.ca (Francis Miquet) wrote: >It's my first year building hives. It may sound frivolous but I would like >to preserve the natural beauty of the wood. All wood (exposed to the 'elements') weathers out grey over time. >anyone could reccomend a varnish, shellac or other transparent finish? Any treatment like this will only delay the effects of weathering (not stop it). Being of the old school, I think boiled lin seed oil is hard to beat. >Is there a preferred wood preservative? Probably the best to use is 'Spar Varnish'. The product will be called "spar" varnish - no other name is the same (i.e., doesn't have the word "poly-" anything in its name). For best results, you'd better plan well ahead of the time that you'll need the hive bodies as both of these will require several weeks to prepare. Boiled lin seed oil takes a long time to dry (even under low humidity conditions - they don't call it 'oil' for nothing!). Also, you don't want to put on more than one coat IF you're planning to paint the hive bodies with something else. Spar varnish will dry very hard and crack with weathering IF you don't thin it down with a paint thinner and let the first coat you put on be more like a 50% / 50% mixture. This will help with the brittle, cracking problem of spar varnish (may not completely solve it). You want that first coat to soak into the wood (actually, I also thin down the first coat of boiled lin seed oil, too). I have used both of these products on hive bodies and even dipped my frames in the lin seed oil without any harm to the bees. The main thing is to just allow plenty of time for the woodenware to dry. I usually prepare my woodenware in the fall and let them dry over the winter and not use it untill the following spring. Good luck to ya, BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From 104065.2064@CompuServe.COM Thu May 23 13:50:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathwor ks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve. com!news From: Jody Davis <104065.2064@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Melaleuca Honey (tea tree) Date: 12 May 1996 01:51:46 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4n3g7i$7r8$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Does anyone know of a company/individual that sells Melaleuca honey? Thanks >From Graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse. psu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks. com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gandb oss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham & Annie Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:25:05 +0100 Organization: at Home Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.11 <4kfRstUjpAfZ$o6DaG8MYZwamI> In article <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu>, David J Trickett writes >Anybody tried using plexiglass.... I have not tried plastics but one real big advantage of glass is the ease of scrapping when spring cleaning. Currently I use hermatically sealed double glazed units made to measure. For my next Ob hive I'm going to see if my glazier can make a double glazed unit with glass towards the bees and plexiglass on the outside. This should give the best combination of durabilty, insulation and safety. Graham Graham Law GCLaw@gandboss.demon.co.uk Winning the rat race still makes you a rat. >From jrose5@ix.netcom.com Thu May 23 13:50:16 EDT 1996 Article: 4379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.n et!pipex!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: jrose5@ix.netcom.com(Jan S Rosenbaum) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South Carolina losses Date: 12 May 1996 15:00:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp2-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 12 10:00:27 AM CDT 1996 Interested in hearing abou winter losses in South Carolina, especially >from mites or other disease/pests >From Hugh@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!news-f eed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!uwm.edu!lll-winke n.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.d emon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!hjmorgan.demon.co.uk From: Hugh J Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping and the human back Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:53:24 GMT Organization: None Lines: 18 Message-ID: <424312270wnr@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Hugh@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hjmorgan.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Friday, May 10, 1996 14.53.24 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Mail2News-Path: disperse.demon.co.uk!post.demon.co.uk!hjmorgan.demon.co.uk -- At the moment I have some information in Spanish on bending and lifting parts of hives (Spanish - alzas). They are like boxes, with slots in the side for holding. When full, they can strain the lifter's back. Can anyone tell me what they are called? It's not the frame. Could they be the supers? Grateful for any help. ----------------------------------------------- Hugh J Morgan Translation Services (UK) Email: Hugh@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk Tel/Fax: 01242 226389 ----------------------------------------------- >From cdietric@emerald.tufts.edu Thu May 23 13:50:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncs u.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-win ken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws.tufts.edu!not-for-mail From: cdietric@emerald.tufts.edu (Charles Dietrick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A. Varroa Date: 12 May 1996 15:03:02 -0400 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4n5cl6$tqo@emerald.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emerald.tufts.edu Summary: Parasite on male bees Keywords: male, parasite, a. varroa, ill, sick, infestation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, My daughter in Italy needs help dealing with A. Varroa which she describes as a parasite attacking male bees. We would appreciate advice, suggested books or journal articles. Thank you for your help. CharlesDietrick Cambridge, MA >From LFWY87A@prodigy.com Thu May 23 13:50:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!newsjunkie.ans. net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: LFWY87A@prodigy.com (Sandra Bennett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farmers Home Admin/Farm Service Agency Date: 13 May 1996 04:36:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4n6e99$13m6@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap5-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 This web page documents the illegal attempt by Farmers Home Administration (FmHA) [name has been changed to Farm Service Agency (FSA)], to foreclose on the family farm of Edward and Sandra Bennett; and the cover-up by the Office of Inspector General, USDA: http://www.fix.net/~ebennett >From mrh@nemesys.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:17 EDT 1996 Article: 4383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!a gate!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!news From: mrh@nemesys.co.uk (Mike Howe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehives Date: 13 May 1996 07:50:34 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4n6pka$540@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tar.nemesys.co.uk X-Newsreader: NewsReader Can anybody tell me were i can find or download plans for building my own beehi ve >from scratch Mike Howe >From mrh@nemesys.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!warw ick!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!news From: mrh@nemesys.co.uk (Mike Howe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive building Date: 13 May 1996 09:00:58 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4n6toa$8f2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tar.nemesys.co.uk X-Newsreader: NewsReader Can anybody tell me were i can find plans for building my own hive >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Thu May 23 13:50:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunki e.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehives Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:53:23 -0500 Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 15 Message-ID: <319730C3.498@interaccess.com> References: <4n6pka$540@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d181.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: Mike Howe Mike Howe wrote: > > Can anybody tell me were i can find or download plans for building my own bee hive > from scratch > > Mike Howe Hi Mike - I'd be happy to scan some plans I have and email it to you if you let me know w hat format you would like it in. (.jpg, .gif, etc.) I don't know of any that are available on the Web. -Barry >From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:18 EDT 1996 Article: 4386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a. gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping and the human back Date: 13 May 1996 10:52:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 30 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4n7ibm$2bt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <424312270wnr@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <424312270wnr@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk>, Hugh J Morgan writes: >At the moment I have some information in Spanish on bending and lifting >parts of hives (Spanish - alzas). They are like boxes, with slots in >the side for holding. When full, they can strain the lifter's back. >Can anyone tell me what they are called? It's not the frame. Could >they be the supers? > >Grateful for any help. Probably so. A full, deep Lanstroth super can weigh about a hundred pounds. The sizes do vary around the world, but honey is heavy anywhere. The boxes used for hives are named according to their use. If they are used for brood rearing they are called brood chambers. If they are placed above the brood chamber (usually with a screen or wire "queen excluder" to keep the larger queen below) then they are called supers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From adatghc@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a. gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adatghc@aol.com (ADatGHC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive building Date: 13 May 1996 12:56:33 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4n7pk1$4fu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4n6toa$8f2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: adatghc@aol.com (ADatGHC) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I would be interested in the same plans. >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Thu May 23 13:50:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans. net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Re: South Carolina losses Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] References: <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:19:43 GMT Lines: 40 I had six hives going into the winter and all six survived. I put terra patties on the hives all winter thru the first part of March. I treated for Varroa mites last August/September and again put strips in the later part of January, removing the strips the first part of March. I had one hive to swarm the second week of March which I was able to put into a hive on drawn comb. The honey flow started late here in Lexington (Gilbert), SC with the swarm being able to hatch brood...they have now stored approx. 3 supers of honey (drawn comb in the supers - I had the swarm on a Maxant type hive scale). The honey flow started approx 3-4 weeks ago in earnest. The swarm was gaining initially approx 3 pounds a day and for 10 days or so it put on 8 pounds or so a day. The last 4-5 days, the weight gain has dropped back to the 3-4 pound range. I believe the honey flow is tapering off. Reports from other members of the Mid-State Beekeepers Association indicate that we have had a lot of winter/mite kill. From what I can gather/infer probably in the 20-30% range. Henry Lightner (sp?) in Winnsboro had over 700 hives and he is now down to around 20 hives. Henry did not treat for Varroa mites. This is the stock that H. Babcock (Blue Ridge Apairies) selected his Lightner stock from. Jan, where in SC are you located? Dave M. >==========Jan S Rosenbaum, 5/12/96========== > >Interested in hearing abou winter losses in South Carolina, >especially >from mites or other disease/pests > dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From swhl@itl.net Thu May 23 13:50:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!news.insnet.net!n ews.itl.net!newsmaster@olympus.itl.net From: Sacha Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Acarine Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:17:34 +0000 Organization: Supernet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3197B4FE.6E6A@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.145.1.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) I live in Jersey, Channel Islands, Britain. My single hive, flourishing right up until the end of the summer and producing 100lbs. of honey as its record last year died right out. I had it tested and the answer was Acarine though the colony exhibited none of the classic symptoms and we are concerned that the colony may have been weakened by Acarine but finished off by picking up agricultural spray that has gone undetected by analysis. Another major beekeeper lost 15 out of 40 hives but unfortunately didn't have them tested. We found bees in varying stages of decomposition, the top layer of which were healthy looking and intact and had died while capping comb.They had fed themselves well all winter and there was plenty of honey left. Does anyone have any information on the effects of Acarine on a very large and healthy colony from October to April and whether Acarine combined with some poison or other agent, has killed off colonies? If some what poison? We had very little varroa in my colony and Acarine is almost unknown in this Island. Any ideas anyone? Many thanks. swhl@itl.net >From Bill Mackey Thu May 23 13:50:19 EDT 1996 Article: 4390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: Bill Mackey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Carolina losses Date: 13 May 1996 13:33:42 -0700 Organization: Zippo Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4n86b6$28e@doc.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: portal.west.saic.com In article <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, jrose5@ix.netcom.com says... > >Interested in hearing abou winter losses in South Carolina, especially >from mites or other disease/pests testing >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!news.mindspring.com!news4 .agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Planting for Bees Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605131701151966@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 107 Beekeeping Insect Note 2B Landscape Planting for Bees Prepared by: S. Bambara, Extension Specialist _________________________________________________________________ Increased urbanization of our rural areas has destroyed native forage vegetation in many places. In addition, many of our hobby beekeepers living in the suburbs enjoy watching bees work the flowers. With this in mind and because honey bees are so important for pollinating agricultural, horticultural, and wild plants, there is at least one small thing we can do to support our state insect. Most houses and yards are landscaped, so by merely making certain choices, nectar or pollen producing plants can be used with little or no additional cost. Though they have only a tiny effect on a single hive, every little bit contributes and the more people use these plants, the more significant will be the total benefit. Below are listed some plant material which can be used around homes, parks or city streets. All are highly attractive to bees except where noted. Attractiveness may vary in different regions. Most of the berry and seed bearing plants also produce good forage for birds. This list is not complete and all plants may not thrive in all parts of the state. Consult any reference on landscape plants or your Cooperative Extension agent for further information about how to use some of these. You may also want to visit local gardens or plantings for ideas. Ground Covers * Ladino clover - blooms late spring-summer * Crimson clover - blooms late spring * Ajuga - blooms spring * Graph Hyacinth - blooms spring * Strawberry - blooms spring * Ampelopsis brevipedunculosa - blooms late spring Shrubs * Barberry (Berberissp.) - blooms spring: evergreen* * Vitex - blooms most of summer: deciduous * Privet (Ligustrum) - blooms late spring: may produce bitter nectar * Abelia - blooms summer/fall; evergreen; mildly attractive * Quince (Chaenomeles) - blooms spring * Blueberry (Vaccinium) - blooms spring * Silverberry (Eleagnus) - blooms late spring; deciduous; fragrant* * Nandina - blooms summer; mildly attractive * Pieris (Pieris japonica - blooms spring; evergreen * Holly (Ilex) especially I. burfordi, I. cornuta, I. rotunda; blooms spring; almost all species excellent nectar source; may require pruning* * Euonymous - blooms summer; variable attractiveness among species * Silverling (Baccharis halimifolia) - blooms fall; native aster shrub in coastal plain and piedmont * Pepperbush (Clethra alnifolia) - blooms late spring; native coastal plain shrub, survives piedmont; evergreen* Small Trees * Red Bud (Cercis) - blooms early spring; native or cultivated varieties * Apple, Crabapple (Malus) - blooms early spring; usually requires pruning* * Pussy Willow (Salix) - blooms early spring; most Salix spp. good * Golden Rain Tree (Koelreuteria paniculata)_ - blooms summer * Sourwood (Oxydendron arboreum) - blooms midsummer; irregular nectar production * Sumac (Rhus) - blooms summer/fall; shrub or small tree; deciduous* * Holly (Ilex) - blooms spring; many species achieve tree status if unpruned* * Beebee Tree (Evodia danielli) - blooms late summer * Hercules Club (Aralia spinossa) - blooms late summer Large Trees Maple (Acer spp.), especially A. rubrum, A. ginnala - blooms early spring; good nectar production * Linden, Basswood (Tilia - blooms in spring; excellent nectar production * Black Locust (Robinia pseudoacacia) - blooms spring; inconsistent nectar production * Tulip, Yellow Poplar (Liriodendron tulipifera) - blooms spring; fast growing; excellent nectar production * Black Gum, Tupelo (Nyssa) - blooms spring; Tupelo requires moist soil * Persimmon (Diospyros) - blooms late spring _________________________________________________________________ *Also provides food/cover for birds. Suggested References Honey Plants Manual. H.B. Lovell. 1966. A.I. Root Co., Medina, OH 44256. American Honey Plants. F.C. Pellett. 1947. Orange Judd, NY. "Bee Forage of North America." Ayers & Harman, in Hive and Honey Bee. 1922. Dadant & Sons, Hamilton, IL. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... Barbs has it, like a bee. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!news.mindspring.com!news4 .agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: April Honey Market Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605131701151967@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 47 Some sales of honey during April 1996 as reported to USDA AMS. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some US HONEY Prices for APRIL 1996 increase = * | | | | Calif. Sage 80 old crop white | | ORANGE 90 NEW CROP white | | | | Florida Orange 86 old crop light amber | | ORANGE 85-90 NEW CROP white | | Wildflower 79* light amber | | B. Pepper 70* amber | | | | North Dakota | | Clover 77 old crop white | | | | Canadian | | Clover .95-1.05 white-ww del | | | | Argentina | | Clover .98 1/2 white (Gulf) | | Mixed Flower .86* light amber (West) | | Unknown .96 1/2-.98 white (East Coast) | | Mexico | | Mixed Flower .95* light amber | |____________________________________________________________| \* The US market retreats 10% on old crop honey as more is / \marketed. Retail prices approach $3. per lb, sales normal/ \-------------------------------------------------------/ Central California beekeepers are finishing extracting a fair Orange crop with yields exceeding early expectations because of poor early weather conditions. Other wild flower crops such as Sage are expected to bee less than last years and nothing at all in much of the central coast sage range. Local beekeepers who move out of state are now moving bees into the Dakota's and have moved north leaving several wives beekeeping widows for the next month as they move semi yards to local honey locations and work and super their bees for the expected June honey flow >from sweet clover that looks excellent at this time. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket >From norm@norm.seanet.com Thu May 23 13:50:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.seanet.com!usenet From: norm@norm.seanet.com (Norm Bolser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening and finding the old queen Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:56:10 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4n8pm1$hqh@kaleka.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: norm.seanet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am pretty new to this, so please pardon any blatant ignorance I'm showing. I've had several hives for the past few years, and just got real serious about them last year. The original advice I had was to let them alone, they know what they are doing. After losing hives every winter, I started asking more questions and doing more reading. I have a hive whose queen appeared to be (have been?) failing. They never were very ambitious bees, so I decided to requeen with a Buckfast queen. She showed up tonight. I just spent an hour and a half looking for the old queen. Found a half dozen supersedure cells that I removed, and have been removing swarm cells on a regular basis. It has been cold and rainy here in Washington State for months. Cold again today, and I'd probably have to wait until July for a warm day. The bees have little sense of humor for what I was up to today. I don't think the new queen could wait that long. Here come the questions: Is it sometimes impossible to find the old queen? Is it possible that she is already gone or dead? I finally placed the queen between a couple of frames of brood, in her cage, with the plug removed. Was this wrong? What would you recommend I have done? Thank you. >From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net Thu May 23 13:50:20 EDT 1996 Article: 4394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att. net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehives Date: 14 May 1996 02:31:07 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4n8r9b$mc@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4n6pka$540@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <319730C3.498@interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 235.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) To: mike Hello Mike Barry makes good hives as I have a Condo he made me. I have seen his own hives and they are great ken >From mramage@postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au Thu May 23 13:50:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mun nari.OZ.AU!newsroom.utas.edu.au!mac334.its.utas.edu.au!user From: mramage@postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au (Mal Ramage) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Breeding bees Date: 14 May 1996 02:34:17 GMT Organization: University of Tasmania Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mac334.its.utas.edu.au Request detailed information on 'bee breeding and genetics'.Especially info on the genetic breeding. Many thanks. Mal. >From jim@epix.net Thu May 23 13:50:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news2.epix.net!news.e pix.net!usenet From: jim@epix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehives Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:42:55 GMT Organization: epix.net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4n8rr1$bf1@guava.epix.net> References: <4n6pka$540@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <319730C3.498@interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: grmn-105ppp54.epix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Barry Birkey wrote: >I'd be happy to scan some plans I have and email it to you if you let me know what format >you would like it in. (.jpg, .gif, etc.) How about posting them here in this news group- I'd like plans and I am sure others would too. [uuencoded of course :-) ...] .jpg is probably more compact.... jim@epix.net >From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu May 23 13:50:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!n1 ott.istar!n3ott.istar!istar.net!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!PPPdicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding bees waste softdrink syrup Date: Tue, 14 May 96 09:52:46 GMT Organization: The Beekeepers Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4n9l5d$klu@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <318A47E2.2552@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us> <318E3601.3F54@zk3.dec.com> <4mnjk6$ome@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp22.cuug.ab.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4mnjk6$ome@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: >Larry Smith wrote: >>Steve Phillips wrote: >> >>> flavoring for Dr. Pepper, Seven-up, and RC >>> Cola mixed in. He said it was approximately 70% syrup and the rest was >>> flavoring. Has anyone tried feeding this to bees? > >Try frreding them a quart and see if there are brown spots on the hive. >Maybe it will kill the mites. If this is a viable type of feed I may >check with my old neighbor to see if I can get some for my bees. Sugar is >getting expensive and I really don't look forward to mixing sugar water >for feed. I suppose it depends how much you really want to keep those bees. Even if a quart or so doesn't cause obvious effects, that doesn't mean it won't kill them, reduce populations, impair their ability to raise brood, etc. Carmellised sugar is a constituent of many soft drinks, as is caffeine. The former is reputed to affect queens, the latter? Well take a guess, I don't know. I'm always amazed at what people will try to feed to bees in the name of 'saving money'. If you really want to save money, don't do anything that is not proven to be good for them -- and proven beyond a doubt. Even sugar fed under the wrong conditons can be harmfull, and many beekeepers in Westen Canada lost bees by feeding commercial HFCS that was sold as substandard. Give your bees *only* the best. , And they may do the same for you. IMO, anyhow. Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey, Bees, & Art >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Thu May 23 13:50:21 EDT 1996 Article: 4398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunki e.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehives Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 06:58:22 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3198755E.7F8B@interaccess.com> References: <4n6pka$540@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <319730C3.498@interaccess.com> <4n8 rr1$bf1@guava.epix.net> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d211.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) jim@epix.net wrote: > > Barry Birkey wrote: > > >I'd be happy to scan some plans I have and email it to you if you let me kno w what format > >you would like it in. (.jpg, .gif, etc.) > > How about posting them here in this news group- I'd like plans and I > am sure others would too. [uuencoded of course :-) ...] > .jpg is probably more compact.... > > jim@epix.net I'd be happy to send anyone plans for the Langstroth type hive. You will need s ome basic skill in wood joinery as they do not include step by step instructions for maki ng. I would still rather at this point send the files in what ever format to whoever wants them via email. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL. USA bbirkey@interaccess.com >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu May 23 13:50:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!n ntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebec ca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: Tue, 14 May 96 09:56:27 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <177878BCES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) writes: > >Anybody tried using plexiglass or lexan (spelling?) instead of glass in >an observation hive? I'm wondering if the bees would be more inclined to >propolizing a non-glass surface. > >Dave I always use plexiglass for the obvious reason that it is less inclined to break. A warning though, plexiglass if flexible and can be pushed into the frames. To protect against this I install wooden spacers to keep the plexiglass away from the frames, hence preventing bees from being crushed. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Thu May 23 13:50:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!shore!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: winter loss Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:01:27 GMT References: <4mot8s$kf4@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <1778186FAS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.a lbany.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 George Ewald wrote: > >1. did you determine the cause of failure? Horrendous winter weather. Snowstorm around Easter sid most of them in, most were still clustered around good sized brood nest. >2. did the hives fail in the fall or during the winter? Late Spring. >3. if varroa, had you medicated with apistan? Yup, 60 days, August through Sepetember. >5. do you suspect trachael mite? Nope. The package breeders have all but bred out the worst problems with trachael mite. I've sent random samples out for testing for the past four years and they've come back with less than 3%, and no medication has been aplied. >6. did you use menthol or grease patties? Nope, only "grease" patties I use are TM patties which do contain vegetable shortening. >7. what about the ten percent that made it through? > how do you account for their durability? Carniolan or Carniolan mix seem to be the best survivors as usual. If I knew what it was I would have made my fame and fortune years ago... Jon Camp >From tvf@umich.edu Thu May 23 13:50:22 EDT 1996 Article: 4401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd .umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acarine Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:25:14 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3198C1FA.40E3@umich.edu> References: <3197B4FE.6E6A@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Sacha wrote: > > I live in Jersey, Channel Islands, Britain. My single hive, > flourishing right up until the end of the summer and producing 100lbs. > of honey as its record last year died right out. I had it tested and > the answer was Acarine though the colony exhibited none of the classic > symptoms and we are concerned that the colony may have been weakened > by Acarine but finished off by picking up agricultural spray that has > gone undetected by analysis. Another major beekeeper lost 15 out of 40 > hives but unfortunately didn't have them tested. > We found bees in varying stages of decomposition, the top layer of > which were healthy looking and intact and had died while capping > comb.They had fed themselves well all winter and there was plenty of > honey left. > Does anyone have any information on the effects of Acarine on a very > large and healthy colony from October to April and whether Acarine > combined with some poison or other agent, has killed off colonies? If > some what poison? > We had very little varroa in my colony and Acarine is almost unknown > in this Island. Any ideas anyone? Many thanks. swhl@itl.net This sounds very much like the experiences I and many of my fellow American beekeepers have been having due to the varroa mite. I lost many strong hives t hat produced record yields last year, and they died out leaving much of their winte r stores of honey intact in the combs. I believe that Acarine disease is that which in the US is commonly known as tracheal mite infestation, isn;t it? If so, it would not be unusual to have some of it in your bees as well. My advice: re-establish your hive, and t reat spring and autumn with fluvalinate treated strips, or whatever else is approved in you r region for varroa control. It seems unlikely to me that your bees would have been poisoned, since the die off occurred in the fall and winter, when crops would not have been sprayed. >From tvf@umich.edu Thu May 23 13:50:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd .umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening and finding the old queen Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:25:30 -0500 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3198C20A.1305@umich.edu> References: <4n8pm1$hqh@kaleka.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Norm Bolser wrote: > I have a hive whose queen appeared to be (have been?) failing. They > never were very ambitious bees, so I decided to requeen with a > Buckfast queen. She showed up tonight. I just spent an hour and a > half looking for the old queen. Found a half dozen supersedure cells > that I removed, and have been removing swarm cells on a regular basis. > Here come the questions: Is it sometimes impossible to find the old > queen? Is it possible that she is already gone or dead? I finally > placed the queen between a couple of frames of brood, in her cage, > with the plug removed. Was this wrong? What would you recommend I > have done? Since you have been removing swarm cells, and since you now saw supercedure cel ls, I think it is a real possibility that the original queen may be gone. Perhaps th e hive swarmed without your noticing it, then you removed the swarm cells the bees wer e counting on for their new queen. You didn't say if you checked for new brood. If the hive is queenless, there should be no eggs or newly hatched larvae. You really ought to check on this before the bees open up the queen cage, or the new queen could be lost. If there are no eggs, the new queen will be OK. >From Ian@bedfordf.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk! dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!bedfordf.demon.co.uk!Ian From: Ian Muller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive building Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:15:37 +0100 Organization: Bedford Falls Residents Association Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4n6toa$8f2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> <4n7pk1$4fu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bedfordf.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: bedfordf.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 <3BFrp3XPvaat1Hx5SxrCXHm2qe> In article <4n7pk1$4fu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ADatGHC writes >I would be interested in the same plans. Ditto -- <*> Ian Muller "Bonvulu alsendi la pordiston lausajne estas rano en mia bideo" >From mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Thu May 23 13:50:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx !hplb!mdr From: mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Hive building Sender: news@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Usenet News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:56:26 GMT References: <4n6toa$8f2@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsmith.hpl.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0.7] Lines: 11 Mike Howe (mrh@nemesys.co.uk) wrote: > Can anybody tell me were i can find plans for building my own hive The British Beekeeping Association publish plans for National and Commercial pattern hives. -- Malcolm Roe mdr@hplb.hpl.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Bristol Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol, BS12 6QZ, UK Tel: +44 117 922 9331 Fax: +44 117 922 8128 >From w3zid@voicenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:23 EDT 1996 Article: 4405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc .swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!goodnews.voicenet.com!usene t From: w3zid@voicenet.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:25:53 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4nbc33$iie@goodnews.voicenet.com> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: w3zid@voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ivyland263.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: >Anybody tried using plexiglass or lexan (spelling?) instead of glass in >an observation hive? I'm wondering if the bees would be more inclined to >propolizing a non-glass surface. BTW, it's spelled "Plexiglas (R) acrylic sheet". And "Lexan (R) polycarbonate sheet." Rohm and Haas is very particular about its trademarks being used correctly, and I suspect GE is as well. -- John E. Taylor III W3ZID E-mail: w3zid@voicenet.com >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsi nc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: 15 May 1996 03:08:26 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4nbhra$a2t@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> <4nbc33$iie@goodnews.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] John E. Taylor III (w3zid@voicenet.com) wrote: : djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: : >Anybody tried using plexiglass or lexan (spelling?) instead of glass in : >an observation hive? I'm wondering if the bees would be more inclined to : >propolizing a non-glass surface. : BTW, it's spelled "Plexiglas (R) acrylic sheet". And "Lexan (R) : polycarbonate sheet." : Rohm and Haas is very particular about its trademarks being used : correctly, and I suspect GE is as well. : -- : John E. Taylor III W3ZID : E-mail: w3zid@voicenet.com Well, I'm still honoring the GE Boycott so I suppose you've simplified my decision. (I suppose I could always log onto the TRI Database and find something egregious enough about R&H's Philadelphia plant to include them.) Dave >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc .swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive: glass or plexiglass? Date: 15 May 1996 03:17:54 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4nbid2$a2t@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4n11d4$fep@netnews.upenn.edu> <4nbc33$iie@goodnews.voicenet.com> < 4nbhra$a2t@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Thanks to all who replied. THis particular Obs hive will be installed in the study on a swinging frame (flexible plastic tube for connection to outside), so I think I will just go with double strength glass, and consider other materials if I build one for honey shows. Dave >From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news .demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping and the human back Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:06:41 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <199605141906.UAA00815@apis.demon.co.uk> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Mail2News-Path: relay-4.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk In article <4n7ibm$2bt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> you wrote: : In article <424312270wnr@hjmorgan.demon.co.uk>, Hugh J Morgan : writes: : >At the moment I have some information in Spanish on bending and lifting : >parts of hives (Spanish - alzas). They are like boxes, with slots in : >the side for holding. When full, they can strain the lifter's back. : >Can anyone tell me what they are called? It's not the frame. Could : >they be the supers? : > : >Grateful for any help. : Probably so. A full, deep Lanstroth super can weigh about a hundred : pounds. The sizes do vary around the world, but honey is heavy anywhere. Just for reference, the Langstroth supers we use in the UK are normally the shallow pattern (6" deep) and weigh in at about half that. I concur with the sugestion of 'super'. That word 'alzas' sounds to me rather little like 'also', maybe comparable to our older (Saxon?) word 'eke'. -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Embryo Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. >From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:24 EDT 1996 Article: 4409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news .demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehives Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 21:44:51 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <199605142044.VAA00946@apis.demon.co.uk> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Mail2News-Path: relay-4.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk : How about posting them here in this news group- I'd like plans and I : am sure others would too. [uuencoded of course :-) ...] : .jpg is probably more compact.... Better still, put them on an ftp or web server and tell us where they are -- I sometimes get grumpy when I download huge news-files on my dialup link. In the UK, BBKA publish various plans. I can suggest the best design :-) -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Embryo Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. >From hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!dispatch.news .demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tom.compulink.co.uk From: MICHAEL HURLEY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beehives Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 06:23:26 GMT Lines: 53 Message-ID: Reply-To: hhurley@cix.compulink.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tom.compulink.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Wed, 15 May 96 07:17 BST-1 X-Mail2News-Path: tom.compulink.co.uk From: mrh@nemesys.co.uk (Mike Howe) Date: 13/ 5/96 07:50:34 From jdalexa@his.com Thu May 23 13:50:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.frontiernet.net!news.his .com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New interest Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 06:29:29 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3199B209.2207@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Greetings all. I am interested in getting started in beekeeping and am looking for a source of affordable starter hives and bees. Can anyone point me in a good direction. I live in Beltsville, MD Any words of advice for a newcomer? John Alexander mailto:jdalexa@his.com >From ajdel@interramp.com Thu May 23 13:50:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!p sinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip186.washington.dc.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening and finding the old queen Date: 15 May 1996 11:57:55 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ncgs3$43@usenet7.interramp.com> References: <4n8pm1$hqh@kaleka.seanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.washington.dc.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:07:27 GMT In article <3198C20A.1305@umich.edu> Theodore V. Fischer, tvf@umich.edu writes: >If >there are no eggs, the new queen will be OK. If there are no eggs LAID BY A QUEEN. If the hive has been queenless a worker (or workers) may begin laying. Their handiwork can be distinguished >from that of a queen because the egg is attached to the side of the cell rather than the bottom and multiple eggs are found in a single cell. AJ ajdel@interramp.com >From BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU Thu May 23 13:50:25 EDT 1996 Article: 4413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!csn!nntp -xfer-2.csn.net!magma.Mines.EDU!news From: BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU (Allen, Brian James ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 15 May 1996 16:35:54 GMT Organization: COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES - ACADEMIC USERS Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4nd15a$rka@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: flint.mines.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 This may be a touch off topic, but after all it is rec.beekeeping, not rec.honeybeekeeping. Anyway, in addition to two standard honeybee hives, I have somewhat of an interest in all the social insects and would like to build a number of "observation enclosures" for the various types. I have built and maintained glass observation hives before with no problems. I have built and maintained "ant farms" as a youngster. I don't see any problem in catching and hanging a paper wasp nest inside a glass box with a tube to the outside, but I do have a few bumblebee questions. Now I know bumblebees tunnel underground and dig out a single "brood area". Has anyone ever dug up a bumblebee nest? How big is this brood area? Any opinions on whether it would be possible to construct a "bumblebee observation hive" using, say a large Erlinmeyer flask (large spherical flask with a thin neck - kind often used by chemists) with a tube to the outside? If I was to capture/dig up a bumblebee nest, getting the queen and some brood cells, and transfer them to an observation hive, any ideas on how I could make them stay? Daylight doesn't seem to bother ordinary honeybees in an observation hive, but I would think a bumblebee hive would be much darker than standard honeybee hive. Would I have to keep this covered and dark or would the bees cover the glass with propolis or some other substance? Anyone with any experience/advice on building a bumblebee observation hive? I may or may not be able to get this project off the ground this summer, but if I do, I'll let you know how it turns out. Brian Allen >From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Thu May 23 13:50:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att. com!nntphub.cb.att.com!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Observation hive problem Date: 16 May 1996 01:23:14 GMT Organization: AT&T Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ne022$2cs@nntpa.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Having an extra queen I stuck her in the observation hive with one frame of eggs/larva and about 1/2 lb of bees. It has turn into a pitiful sight. It's down to about 50 bees and a small patch of sealed brood. The queen is laying but there isn't enough bees left to do anything. I'm thinking about adding this frame to a nuc but am concerned about the nuc accepting this queen. Thoughts are put her back into a cage for a few days or wrapping this one frame with newspaper and sticking it in the middle of the nuc. Or should I just take my chances and mix the whole lot together and pray. Dave Verville email to: mvdfv@mvcss.att.com >From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncs u.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu .fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.a ol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acarine Date: 15 May 1996 23:53:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 45 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ne8se$6th@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3198C1FA.40E3@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <3198C1FA.40E3@umich.edu>, "Theodore V. Fischer" writes: >It seems unlikely to me that your bees would have been poisoned, since the >die off >occurred in the fall and winter, when crops would not have been sprayed. That depends: It is quite possible that a poison could be stored away with pollen. I've seen this with microencapsulated and powdered insecticides that are brought in and stored. The bee that carries them in, is relatively unaffected, but when it is fed to young bees making royal jelly, or to brood, it causes a lot of loss. I have taken frames of pollen from winter deadouts after they had stored away poison, used them in the spring in healthy nucs. The brood pattern immediately begins to look like a failing queen. I have also seen bees that were knocked down late in the season, (by non-residual materials that were used while bees were foraging), with no time to rebuild population. No poisoned pollen was stored; it was simply too small a cluster to make it through winter. I have walked fields after such a spray, and seen entire field forces lying on the ground, a bee here, a bee there......... I suspect there is a synergistic effect here. Perhaps you might lose 10% of your hives to tracheal mite; you might lose 10% to pesticide damage. Put them together and you might expect 20% loss, but in actuality it could be 50, 60, or more. Now add in the effects of nosema, chalkbrood, stressful weather, etc......... (Or rather *multiply* in, the effects......) Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From ajdel@interramp.com Thu May 23 13:50:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!p sinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip140.washington.dc.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 15 May 1996 23:58:55 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ndr3v$f51@usenet7.interramp.com> References: <4nd15a$rka@magma.Mines.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip140.washington.dc.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 15 May 1996 01:08:28 GMT In article <4nd15a$rka@magma.Mines.EDU> Allen, BALLEN@FLINT.MINES.EDU writes: >Now I know bumblebees tunnel underground and dig out a single "brood area". >Has anyone ever dug up a bumblebee nest? How big is this brood area? Any >opinions on whether it would be possible to construct a "bumblebee observation >hive" using, This sort of thing is discussed in the Bombus list. I have seen discussions of techniques for laboratory rearing of Bombus spp. there. Try cplowrit@AIX1.UOTTAWA.CA, get yourself added to the list, and try reposting there. AJ ajdel@interramp.com >From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:26 EDT 1996 Article: 4417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncs u.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!m ath.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.co m!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Carolina losses Date: 16 May 1996 00:11:58 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 41 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ne9ue$7cd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, jrose5@ix.netcom.com(Jan S Rosenbaum) writes: >Interested in hearing abou winter losses in South Carolina, especially >from mites or other disease/pests May 13, 1996 Our losses on the coast were higher than we would have found acceptable in pre-mite days, around 20%. (You might keep in mind that we also tend to eliminate hives in the fall that we KNOW are not going to make it.) We had to feed a lot more than usual, due to the late, late spring, but they've come on fairly well. We're seeing some swarming now, nearly a month late. There was almost no early swarming. I caught a wild swarm today, not from my own bees, and went after one Saturday, but they left before we arrived. Last year I caught eight wild spring swarms, which I kept separate and did not treat for varroa. Six died over the summer; one died in late winter; and the last is going strong and looking very good. Maybe that one will make me a millionaire......... On the piedmont, I hear reports of heavy losses in some areas, up to 100%. Some have been buying nucs and packages for replacements. Bees are in short supply all across the southeast, for melons, etc. Some of our beekeepers have just faded out. We expect to turn away some pollination orders, though we have not yet booked every hive. We are placing the first on watermelons this week. Last year we placed quite a few on melons in the last week of April, so you see how late the season is. Pollinator@aol.com Dave and Janice Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Practical Pollination Home Page http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From rickm@netcom.com Thu May 23 13:50:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac. psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn .edu!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.co m!netcom.com!rickm From: rickm@netcom.com (Rick Mileski) Subject: Who is? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:56:03 GMT Lines: 15 Sender: rickm@netcom7.netcom.com I have some boxes full of old books and papers about bees and bee keeping and mumified bees etc that were put into storage in 1944 until I bought them at a auction a couple of years ago it belonged to a person named Harlan B. Hess A lot of his research papers were done while he went to Berkeley California Collage. Has any one heard of him could this stuff be valuable. Thank You, Rick Mileski rickm@netcom.com -- rickm@netcom.com >From bcnchem@generation.net Thu May 23 13:50:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!uunet.ca!news.uunet.c a!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!chinook.Generation.NET!usenet From: Thomerson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: winter loss Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:32:17 +1000 Organization: BCN Chemicals Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <31999691.39F8@generation.net> References: <4mot8s$kf4@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <1778186FAS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.a lbany.edu> Reply-To: bcnchem@generation.net NNTP-Posting-Host: portc09.generation.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Greetings, We are a small chemical company dealing in unusual chemicals. One of the items that we supply is Strychnine Sulfate which is used in skunk control. If you are interested please contact us at BCNChem@generation.net for further details. Best regards, Edward >From rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:27 EDT 1996 Article: 4420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.c ompulink.co.uk!usenet From: rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") Subject: Re: Hive building Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange X-Newsreader: PowWow References: <4n7pk1$4fu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:06:26 GMT Lines: 20 Since you are both in the UK, your local association should have some. If not then the British Bee Keepers Association sell plans for Modified National, WBC, Smith & Langstroth for 75p each. Make cheques payable to BBKA and send order to :- Mrs. G.R. Chirnside Bryn y Pant Cottage Upper Llanover, Abergavenny, GWENT NP7 9ES If you are not sure about total cost including P & P, mark your cheque: "Not to exceed £..." These details come from the May BBKA Newsletter. Mike >From ccsmurphy@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!n ews-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ccsmurphy@aol.com (Ccsmurphy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers HELP! Date: 16 May 1996 01:28:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4need4$9fm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ccsmurphy@aol.com (Ccsmurphy) My daughter is doing her 4th grade research paper on bees and has to do a presentation. Does anyone know where we can get a honeycomb or any other interesting beekeeper-type equipment for her presentation? Is there anyone in or near Chesapeake, Va with a beekeeper suit to rent or borrow? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! >From jrose5@ix.netcom.com Thu May 23 13:50:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen. cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu! news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix. netcom.com!news From: Jan Rosenbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Carolina losses Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:12:33 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 42 Message-ID: <319A9D21.3FA3@ix.netcom.com> References: <4n4ueb$cag@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: whp-ny13-60.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 15 10:09:18 PM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) dave macfawn wrote: > > I had six hives going into the winter and all six survived. I put terra > patties on the hives all winter thru the first part of March. I treated for > Varroa mites last August/September and again put strips in the later part of > January, removing the strips the first part of March. I had one hive to swar m > the second week of March which I was able to put into a hive on drawn comb. > The honey flow started late here in Lexington (Gilbert), SC with the swarm > being able to hatch brood...they have now stored approx. 3 supers of honey > (drawn comb in the supers - I had the swarm on a Maxant type hive scale). Th e > honey flow started approx 3-4 weeks ago in earnest. The swarm was gaining > initially approx 3 pounds a day and for 10 days or so it put on 8 pounds or s o > a day. The last 4-5 days, the weight gain has dropped back to the 3-4 pound > range. I believe the honey flow is tapering off. > > Reports from other members of the Mid-State Beekeepers Association indicate > that we have had a lot of winter/mite kill. From what I can gather/infer > probably in the 20-30% range. Henry Lightner (sp?) in Winnsboro had over 700 > hives and he is now down to around 20 hives. Henry did not treat for Varroa > mites. This is the stock that H. Babcock (Blue Ridge Apairies) selected his > Lightner stock from. > > Jan, where in SC are you located? > > Dave M. > > >==========Jan S Rosenbaum, 5/12/96========== > > > >Interested in hearing abou winter losses in South Carolina, > >especially > >from mites or other disease/pests > > > > dave macfawn > AT&T Global Information Solutions > dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM > (803) 939-7409Dave - I am in NY, just outside NYC. I have a friend in beekeeping here that lost all 25 hives. He ordered new ones from SC and has been put off for delivery. He is concerned about mites in SC - wants to make sure that his order is healthy. Jan >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 23 13:50:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iag.net!news.mat h.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upe nn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Observation hive problem Date: 16 May 1996 18:39:23 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4nfsor$fmv@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <4ne022$2cs@nntpa.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] -verville d.f. (mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com) wrote: : Having an extra queen I stuck her in the observation : hive with one frame of eggs/larva and about 1/2 lb of bees. : It has turn into a pitiful sight. : It's down to about 50 bees and a small patch of sealed brood. (snip) Assuming you have other hives, why not simply add some bees to this one? Identify a strong hive and select a frame of brood with many nurse bees on it. SHake the nuse bees off and use them as reinforcements. Or, If the obs hive is a multi frame one, you could just use the brood and bees (and omit shaking). THe othewr option is to simply switch the existing obs frame with the frame of brood and bees from the other hive. (Keep the obs hive queen though and use a frame that has lots of capped brood. I doubt you;ll have much trouble with quween acceptance or fighting amongst the bees (with morale down so low) Dave >From rclaire@alphacom.net Thu May 23 13:50:28 EDT 1996 Article: 4424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!n3ott.istar!istar.net!news.magi.com!worl dlinx.com!news.bellglobal.com!user4.alphacom.net!user From: rclaire@alphacom.net (Ruth-Claire Weintraub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Publication : The small Beekeepers Journal Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:51:25 -0400 Organization: ARCOSANTI Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4migfa$rh6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1996050719043666497@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user4.alphacom.net In article <1996050719043666497@zetnet.co.uk>, nick.alderman@zetnet.co.uk (Nick Alderman) wrote: > In message > dave macfawn writes: > > > > >==========ClipperAL, 5/5/96========== > > > > > >Could someone who subscribes to The Small Beekeepers Journal > > >send me a > > >note with there subscription address > > >Thanks > > >ClipperAL@aol.com > > > > Me too rclaire@alphacom.net >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!bofh.dot!cancer.vividnet.com!news4.agi s.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USA WORLD HONEY MARKET Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:24:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605161657501995@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 95 ___ ____ ___ _ _ ___ ___ _ _ USA IS THE / _ \| _ \_ _| \ | |_ _/ _ \| \ | | WORLD | | | | |_) | || \| || | | | | \| | HONEY MARKET | |_| | __/| || |\ || | |_| | |\ | \___/|_| |___|_| \_|___\___/|_| \_| There have the last 40 years been some acknowledged real changes in the Honey Business other then the grater effort it now takes to keep a hive of bees alive from one season to the next. I marketed my first crop of honey at 10 cents per lb no one would have dreamed that some 40+ years later others would be doing the same for part of their crop at $1.00 per lb. In the 1950's the top grades of honey here such as white sage or orange would bring 15 cents and the retail price for one pound honey in glass would escalate to 35 cents because of the costs of containers, freight, and profit margins. At the same time the bulk of the honey crop in California was packed in five pounds tins and sold at retail for $1.00 in the west and north west. When the total production of honey exceeded the amount the market could handle honey did not sell and many beekeepers turned to the world market. I even shipped a few drums to Cuba for which I received 7 3/4 cents, thank God the lowest price I ever had to settle for, others did not do as good, and in earlier times prices would sometimes drop so low that honey shipped on consignment to the east cost would not pay the freight. Today, and for many years now we in the USA have been the world market for all honey in surplus for the rest of the world. I believe this was in no small part due to the USDA support price at least in the later years. The price fixed by the government made them into the largest honey handler in the history of the world, cost taxpayers hundreds of millions and became the price floor for world honey production, and sadly also the ceiling. It's all history now, lasted longer then it should have but today for the first time we in the USA are seeing and benefiting from the effects of a open market for honey, on our end at least. Remembering 'open is not the same as fair, as we all witnessed when China got caught with their fingers in the honey pot..They did nothing that they and others had not been doing for years, and some still may be doing, but because of good political timing they became the turkey and paid the price of being caught. And today the market is close to a balance between production and consumption in the world because believe it or not disposable income has been increasing in what we still think of as third world countries. Surely abject poor people still exist, one would have to be blind not to see that, but there are grater numbers of people in the middle or upper class in much of the world even if we do not have that feeling here in the US as our spending power has been reduced for the middle class by bloated government spending only little reduced with all the rhetoric of the babbling heads and politicos. Well in the first two months of this year 1996, over 30 million pounds of honey was shipped from off shore including from our logical NAFTA trading partners, Mexico and Canada. Half of this honey was table honey and the balance could be used for industrial or table. What is really eye catching about this other then the amounts, including some of the high dollar amounts, is the countries of the world other then Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Australia, and China that are cashing in on the gold rush being paid out for honey in the USA. Amounts are truly small but added together are significant and is a trend developing? Some of the exporting countries are Switzerland, India, Chile, United Kingdom, Italy, Belize, Dominican Rep., Uruguay, Czech Rep., France, and Germany. Granted they are small but they exceed the amounts of Honey we in the US are exporting for consumption to world markets mostly packed in retail containers. What does it all mean, well it is interesting history if nothing else, but if anything it means that we are in a time of change which brings wealth to some and uncertainty to others. One must accept that the market for honey is what you get for it at the time of sale, and the history of the market is what you read about prior to the sale, and in a free market driven by supply and demand you may not always be able to reach the historical highs at your time of sale. At the same time you can not know enough of the history of the market at time of sale and most large producers need more current information. If you are one of these you should check out the American Beekeeping Federation FAX hot line. And if you do pay the amount of dues required, $150., and the $70 additional costs, please let them know how much faster it would bee to receive it via e-mail. The faxline is not a price reporting service, as I understand it, but attempts to match sellers with buyers and the price is worked out between them. If you need more information call the ABF at (912)427-8447. ttul, OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ All bees are looking for bargains in nature's supermarket >From shmulikl@telhai.ac.il Thu May 23 13:50:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!act com!news From: Shmulik Lieberman Subject: Re: How many bees are really in a colony ? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: unix-1.telhai.ac.il Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <319B4D41.7089@telhai.ac.il> Sender: news@actcom.co.il (News) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel References: <4n0gvc$80v@kryten.awinc.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:44:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Lines: 20 Craig Gammon wrote: > > I simply estimate 2,000 bees per fully covered frame. Last > year, I had a couple hives that got up towards 50,000, however, average > for me is 35,000. > > Craig G. I quit counting after 1255 -- <\-----/> ( . . ) =================================oooO===U===Oooo================== | Shmulik Lieberman | | | 623 En-Zahav st. | A dozen, a gross, and a score, | | 10200 Kiryat Shmona | Plus three times the squre root of four, | | ISRAEL | Dvided by seven, | |---------------------| Plus five times eleven, | | +972-(0)6-996141 | Equals nine squared plus zero, no more. | ===================================oooO===Oooo==================== >From bbirkey@interaccess.com Thu May 23 13:50:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!interaccess!usenet From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive plans Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:57:41 -0500 Organization: Birkey Construction Lines: 15 Message-ID: <319C0745.A46@interaccess.com> Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d161.w.interaccess.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Hello all - I just want to let everyone know that since I am currently working on getting m y web site together, I will not be sending out anymore hive plans as I will have them avai lable on my site soon. Will post my address when ready. Thanks. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, IL. USA bbirkey@interaccess.com >From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Thu May 23 13:50:29 EDT 1996 Article: 4428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac. psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!zib-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!n ews.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!n ews From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FROM AMERICA AVIABLE? Date: 17 May 1996 16:15:44 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4ni8ng$ngm@grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin005.rz.uni-frankfurt.de Hi everybody, I´m a beekeeper in Germany with only a few hives. In our beekeepers society we recently discussed the following points, and I hope somebody in the US or in Canada is able to answer some of the questions. A problem which becomes more and more of interest is the contamination of beeswax and honey with substances used for Varroa control. The accumulation of these toxines in the wax will increase the contamination of the honey in future if nothing is changed during the next years. The decontermination of wax is very expensive and the beekeepers won´t pay for the waxplates the price they would cost. Another way out is the own wax cycle, it means that you use your own wax to produce your own waxplates. So you will get only in your hives what you use for Varroa control (I use forniat, ant-acid which gives no contamination of wax and honey). But these is also very expensive and a lot of work, to much for somebody who own only a small number of hives. A year ago a member of our society visited Canada. He showed us a system which is used in America to give the bees the basic platform for their combs instead of waxplates. This was a sheat of plastic with a structured comb-pattern, coated with a thin layer of beeswax. These sheats are fixed in the center of the wooden frames given to the bees to built up their honey-combs. We would like to know more about these material, but unfortunatly the man who brought these from Canada died last year. Our questions: -Is these material aviable uncoated and in running meters (unformated, we use a different size called Deutsch-Normal, its shorter but higher than Langstroth)? -Maybe it´s possible to use paperlike material instead of plastic for easier recyling? -Can somebody give us a adress of a company were we can buy these material? Our idea is to use our own, uncontaminated wax for the coating. We don´t need to buy wax of unknown sources and unknown contamination. Maybe the price for the material and the coating equipment is also aceptable for a non professional beekeeper. I hope some of you can help us! Please mail your answers and suggestions to: hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Many thanks in the name of the members of the MAINZ BEEKEEPING CLUB Ulli Hoeger >From bcdickens@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.math.psu.edu!news.cs e.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!n ewstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bcdickens@aol.com (BCDICKENS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BK-ECONOMICS Date: 17 May 1996 08:18:46 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4nhqr6$cjt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9605091739011926@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Andy, I too have a Mac but I use an IBM with Win95. My Mac is in the basement next to my Betamax for the same reason. Intially, they both had better technology but no market share. The better mouse trap is not always the best bet. ------------------ "Hope in reality is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of man." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche Boyd C Dickens BCDickens@aol.com >From rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Thu May 23 13:50:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac. psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc. edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!usenet From: randy nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tulsa Outlawing Honeybees Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:52:17 -0500 Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-ID: <319CA0B1.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> References: <969998302.1215539@seafish.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Evan E. Twombly wrote: > > In what way might Tulsa disallow the keeping of bees. Tracy, Minnesota in > 1934 tried to outlaw bees as a nuisance. The Minnesota Attorney Genaral > ruled that an ordinance declaring bees a nuisance and excluding them from the > city can not be legally drawn. He was citing the Arkansas Supreme court > decision which held that neither the keeping, raising, nor owning bees is a > nuisance, ant that this decision would also apply to Minnesota. > > I think a city can regulate HOW they are kept but not if they CAN be kept. > I'm not a lawyer but I believe the benefit to the public good outweighs the > hypothetical harm. Even if there are no beekeepers, there will be no less > bees. If there is a niche in nature to be explioited, nature will fill the > niche. > > Evan I disagree. I would bet the city could pass it, and it would take more money to fight it than the average bee keeper would want to spend. Even if the city can't pass an ordinance, the owner of the hive is not protected from private lawsuits. This is how I got my hives. The owner lived in town, and the path the bees took leaving the hive caused them to make a mess on the neighbors garage. It never got to the lawsuit stage, but the neighbors were sure glad to see the hives go. Also, neighbor kids harrassed the hives from time to time. I could guess what would happen if a sting occured on a kid that was allergic. Why should bees be any different than livestock. About every city around here has ordinaces banning the keeping of livestock within city limits. The 'benefit to the public good' in a city environment is questionable. I'll go along with the increased pollination in agricultural areas, but who cares if the old lady down the streets ornamental flowers get pollinated? -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu >From jdalexa@his.com Thu May 23 13:50:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!bofh.dot!news.his.com!news From: John Alexander Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: D.C. area beekeepers Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:22:21 -0400 Organization: Heller Information Services, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <319C99AD.428E@his.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jdalexa.his.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I'm looking for some beekeepers in the D.C. area - specifically around Beltsville, MD. I want to get started in beekeeping and would like to talk to some people and get face time. John Alexander mailto:jdalexa@his.com >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Thu May 23 13:50:30 EDT 1996 Article: 4432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news2.acs.oakland.edu!jobone! eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy Date: 17 May 1996 16:54:11 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4niavj$se1@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com Keywords: apitherapy, arthritis A while back someone posted an address for some institution using bee venom for arthritis. Could someone re-post it? Thanks. -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything above this line is my opinion, even my name. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-845-1133 Driver Information & Controls Software FAX: 313-323-6699 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From dclayton@risc1.acc.uri.edu Thu May 23 13:50:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!hookup!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu .edu!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!new sserver.jvnc.net!newserver.uri.edu!news From: Dave Clayton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Display materials Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:56:02 -0400 Organization: URI Academic Computer Center Lines: 18 Message-ID: <319CD9D2.41C6@risc1.acc.uri.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.128.2.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; AIX 2) Does anyone have a source for display materials on honeybee importance in pollination? The Root study prints (as I remember) are good for information on honeybee life cycle, etc. But I'm sort-of in charge of putting together our beekeeper association's presentations for some local ag fairs and given the die off of bees this past winter in the Northeast, I want to include some material which points out to people that fewer honeybees may mean less food--at a higher price. I've got some basic facts and figures but I'm looking for some glossy prints and posters which bring the points across with more flair than I can do with posterboard and a grease pen. Thanks. -- David Clayton Internet: dclayton@uriacc.uri.edu Asst Dir for Academic Computing (401) 874-4475 University of Rhode Island FAX: (401) 789-4040 Kingston, RI 02881 >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Thu May 23 13:50:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.e du!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.bb.net!news.blar g.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Tulsa Outlawing Honeybees Date: 17 May 1996 03:39:36 GMT Message-ID: <969998302.1215539@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 15 In what way might Tulsa disallow the keeping of bees. Tracy, Minnesota in 1934 tried to outlaw bees as a nuisance. The Minnesota Attorney Genaral ruled that an ordinance declaring bees a nuisance and excluding them from the city can not be legally drawn. He was citing the Arkansas Supreme court decision which held that neither the keeping, raising, nor owning bees is a nuisance, ant that this decision would also apply to Minnesota. I think a city can regulate HOW they are kept but not if they CAN be kept. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the benefit to the public good outweighs the hypothetical harm. Even if there are no beekeepers, there will be no less bees. If there is a niche in nature to be explioited, nature will fill the niche. Evan >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Thu May 23 13:50:31 EDT 1996 Article: 4435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc. Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsreader.spri ntlink.net!news.lightlink.com!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Beekeepers HELP! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:29:07 GMT References: <4need4$9fm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Try giving your local ag. extension service a call, or the state dept. of agriculture for the name of a local beekeeper or the nearest beekeeping club. Or check with the entomology dept. of the nearest university or college. Jon Camp >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Thu May 23 13:50:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc. Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsreader.spri ntlink.net!news.lightlink.com!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: BEEKEEPING EQUIPMENT FROM AMERICA AVIABLE? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:40:01 GMT References: <4ni8ng$ngm@grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> To: hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Pierco, Incorporated 17425 railroad Street City of Industry, CA 91748 International calls: (818)964-2335 extension #205 One piece plastic frame and foundation, waxed or unwaxed, full depth 9-1/8" or medium depth 6-1/4". Is this what you are referring to? You might give them a call or write them as to the possibility of custom sizes, or perhaps modify some of your supers to accomodate the size of Langstroth style frames. Hope this is of some help. Jon Camp - Silver City Apiaries >From dfranson@ix.netcom.com Thu May 23 13:50:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc. Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!arclight.uore gon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tulsa is Making them legal!!! Date: 21 May 1996 07:20:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4nrqs7$qll@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tul-ok1-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 21 12:20:39 AM PDT 1996 After a strong campaign by the gardian societies and beekeepers in Tulsa the City Council has voted to allow the keeping of Honeybees in the city limits. This endorcment by the city council still has to go to the lawers who will write the law which will spell out the restrictions and requirments, but the first step has been reached and I will let you know where it goes from there. Thank you all for your support Donald Franson President: NEOBA >From jvandijk@globalxs.nl Thu May 23 13:50:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.s witch.ch!surfnet.nl!newshost.vu.nl!cs.vu.nl!sun4nl!news.globalxs.nl!news From: jvandijk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help please ?? Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:54:22 +0200 Organization: GlobalXS, the Netherlands Lines: 12 Message-ID: <319F988E.2BBF@globalxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp137.globalxs.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) A friend of mine in Syria who has to provide in his own living after retirement (just because he refuses to join any political party and lack of any social security) intends to start start beekeeping in order to survive. He asked me to look around for written information/instructions about beekeeping (he is new at it) in the English or Arab language. Some of you already sent me some useful information, is there anyone else that can help my friend in Syria, please I don't know anything about the subject myself Thanks in advance jan >From noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us Thu May 23 13:50:32 EDT 1996 Article: 4439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!gerald o.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: noak@city_hall.ci.austin.tx.us (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm wouldn't stay, Why? Date: 20 May 1996 03:10:18 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4nonqq$mdj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-49-16.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 I caught a nice 2 lb swarm last weekend and put them in a new top bar barrel hive with a feeder and they began to draw out comb but left within 24 hours. Why and more importantly what tricks does anybody know to get the little girls to stay? Post here because my wife broke my E-Mail Chris Noak Austin >From stevef@ceresgroup.com Thu May 23 13:50:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc. Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Ger many.EU.net!wizard.pn.com!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!news.PBI.net!pa.mother .com!usenet From: Stephen Flanagan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1996 Ag Outlook Report Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:39:44 -0700 Organization: Ceres Online Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31A1FFE0.2F1B@ceresgroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ais.dav.mother.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Check out the 1996 Bank of America Ag Outlook Report: http://www.ceresgroup.com/outlook/bofa.html brought to you by Ceres Online... The Business of Agriculture http://www.ceresgroup.com/col/ >From pbc@teleport.com Thu May 23 13:50:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!bo fh.dot!netaxs.com!bofh.dot!nntp.teleport.com!usenet From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tulsa Outlawing Honeybees Date: 20 May 1996 06:26:27 GMT Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4np3aj$jsu@nadine.teleport.com> References: <969998302.1215539@seafish.org> <319CA0B1.167E@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-24.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi Randy, Honeybees are very different than keeping a roaming cow in your backyard. If your bees go visit your neighbors garden they are doing a service. I can understand people not wanting to have a hive next door if those bees are actually causing some problem. Yellow specks on a garage isn't a problem. :) With fewer and fewer wild bees and city borders spreading wider, the importance of honeybees in the city will grow. You're pretty much right in regard to pollination of ornamentals, except if that old lady has been saving her flower seeds for generations. I imagine she would be pretty attached to them. More importantly are the poor families across this country who can't afford "fresh" vegetables at the store and grow them in their backyards. Unless urban gardeners want to go out every morning with q-tips, I suggest we keep fighting for honeybees in the city. My rants over :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cauthorn * pbc@teleport.com randy nessler wrote: Why should bees be any different than livestock. About every city >around here has ordinaces banning the keeping of livestock within city >limits. > The 'benefit to the public good' in a city environment is questionable. >I'll go along with the increased pollination in agricultural areas, but >who cares if the old lady down the streets ornamental flowers get >pollinated? >-- >Randy Nessler >rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu >From ooffy@aol.com Thu May 23 13:50:33 EDT 1996 Article: 4442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news- e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Can I make a living via bee hives? Date: 20 May 1996 15:22:34 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 31 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4nqgpq$snj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3190ed28.3866720@204.157.98.9> Reply-To: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Like anyother business, if you approach it in a professioanl manner, you can make a living at it. Dr Burgett at Oregon State University will again publishi his Pacific Northwest Pollinator survey (ten years now). His data indicates that professional pollinators are receiving around $30 per hive per cycle and NW beekeepers are renting about 3 times per hive. That, coupled with $1/pounds honey is making beekeeping in the Northwest a profitable business. There are about 50 large operations in the NW and several hundred 25-300 colony operators. All of the large and most of the serious beekeepers go to California for the almond crop and this reperesent a good portion of their income. Dr Burgett's latest paper will be published in either ABJ or Bee Culture (I forgot which one hes said) next month. You should check it out. You should consider joining the Oregon State Beekeepers Association ($15/yr c/0 P. Shoemake, 1874 Winchester, Salem, OR 97304) and the Washingto State Beekeepers. There are two efforts in the NW to organize commerical operators into a professional (some think that phase is an oxymoron if applied to beekeepers, but that's another story), one in Oregon and one in Washington. Any question, fell free to contact me. Ron Bennett, editor OSBA "The BeeLine" >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!ho lonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: News from ApimondiaHi everybody, Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605201715062021@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 31 *WORLD NEWS on bee loss from the BEE-List ---------------------------------------- From: "Matysek Miroslav, Ing." Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:19:17 +0100 Subject: News from Apimondia Hi everybody, news from Apimondia - Roma, may, 1996. Guess of dead bee colonies on varroa in winter 95/96: World - about 25% (from 50 mil. colonies 13 mil. dead), Austria - about 70%, German - about 45 - 50%, local even 80%, Slovakia - about 35 - 40% and Czech republic - about 20%. (passed by Bee Res. Inst. at Doll near Prague, 252 66 Libcice n. Vl., CZ) Best regards +----------------------------------------------------------+ |Miroslav Matysek | |matysek@zlin.vutbr.cz | |Technical University in Brno | |Faculty of Technology in Zlin | |Department of automatic control | |762 72 Zlin, Czech republic tel., fax: +42 67 721 1521| +----------------------------------------------------------+ >From bgg@magpage.com Thu May 23 13:50:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usene t From: bgg@magpage.com (The Book Garden Gallery) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old Bee Book Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 03:47:17 GMT Organization: AltNet - Affordable Usenet Access - http://www.alt.net Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4nrdsf$582@tofu.alt.net> Reply-To: bgg@magpage.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 The following title may be of interest... Lyon, D. Everett. How To Keep Bees for Profit. Macmillan:NY, 1913, 329 p. + advert. "It is the purpose of this volume to give the reader an insight into the life history of the bee family," etc. Nominal wear to dark blue cover boards, a tight, clean copy. VG $26 Please email for details. Thank you! Sincerely, The Book Garden Gallery http://www.eden.com/~bgg >From babs474@cloudnet.com Thu May 23 13:50:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!newsgate.du ke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfe ed.concentric.net!winternet.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!news.cloudnet.com!news From: babs474@cloudnet.com (BABS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying Raw Beeswax Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 03:24:09 GMT Organization: Cloudnet, St. Cloud, MN Lines: 4 Message-ID: <4nrcss$rdi@orion.cloudnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm247.cloudnet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 If you have raw beeswax to sell, please contact Babs at the following e-mail address: Babs474@Cloudnet.com >From hoeger@zoology.uni-frankfurt.de Thu May 23 13:50:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!ze us.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de!news From: hoeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: do bumblebees sting??? Date: 21 May 1996 16:56:00 GMT Organization: J. W. Goethe-Universitaet Frankfurt/Main Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4nssj0$kvs@grapool30.rz.uni-frankfurt.de> References: <4nk7e9$sko@chile.it.earthlink.net> <4nl5av$2o5@usenet2.interramp.c om> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin024.rz.uni-frankfurt.de > In article <4nk7e9$sko@chile.it.earthlink.net> , fis87thtac@earthlink.net > writes: > >bumblebees: do they sting???? > > > Yes, and I'm not just guessing about this! > > AJ > ajdel@interramp.com Bumblebees will use their sting only in acute danger for themself or for their nest. Unlike honeybees they woundn´t leave their sting in your skin, so they are able to get several times (like wasps). And believe me it´s very painfull (take a look how big their sting is). Ulli Höger >From tvf@umich.edu Thu May 23 13:50:34 EDT 1996 Article: 4447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich .edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Publication : The small Beekeepers Journal Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:08:44 -0400 Organization: Univ. of MIchigan Lines: 29 Message-ID: <31A1F89C.5F16@umich.edu> References: <4migfa$rh6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1996050719043666497@zetnet.co.uk> <4nr9aq$r3m@orion.cloudnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) BABS wrote: > > rclaire@alphacom.net (Ruth-Claire Weintraub) wrote: > > >In article <1996050719043666497@zetnet.co.uk>, nick.alderman@zetnet.co.uk > >(Nick Alderman) wrote: > > >> In message > >> dave macfawn writes: > >> > >> > >> > >==========ClipperAL, 5/5/96========== > >> > > > >> > >Could someone who subscribes to The Small Beekeepers Journal > >> > >send me a > >> > >note with there subscription address > >> > >Thanks > >> > >ClipperAL@aol.com > >> > > > >> > >Me too > > >rclaire@alphacom.net > > Me Three!!!! > Babs474@Cloudnet.com Is there actually such a journal? >From dallison@mindspring.com Thu May 23 13:50:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in2.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: dallison@mindspring.com (Doug Allison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural Subject: Avoid Blue Ridge Apiaries (was Re: Yugoslavian bees?) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:24:14 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4nsuf6$11t4@mule1.mindspring.com> References: <4j9vo5$20q8@mule1.mindspring.com> <4 jvvp0$k90@netnews.upenn.edu> <4kiuod$qc2@tribune.concentric.net> <4kpvnp$rml@df w-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: dallison@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dallison.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: newz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:4448 sci.agriculture:11424 mi sc.rural:28459 haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) wrote: >In article <4kpvnp$rml@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, akia@ix.netcom.com(_) wrote : >I can tell you that Blue Ridge Apiaries while advertizing as USDA >certified breeders cannot or will not deliver yugoslavian (or other) >bees. >I had a horrendous time with Blue RIdge Apes a coupla years ago. They couldn't >deliver on my packages and wouldn't send my money back til August and that onl y >after a half dozen phone cals. I've also had several email contatcs with >others who >had similar experiences. I did not see their ad in Gleanings this spring. >I figured >they had gone under. I hope so. I had to complain to the postal authorities for mail fraud before these crooks would refund my money. -- Doug Allison Decatur, GA >From gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 23 13:50:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet1. news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!apis. demon.co.uk From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: do bumblebees sting??? Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:27:48 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <199605211727.SAA00804@apis.demon.co.uk> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Mail2News-Path: relay-4.mail.demon.net!post.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk In article <4nk7e9$sko@chile.it.earthlink.net> you wrote: : bumblebees: do they sting???? They can and occasionally do, but they're not much inclined to unless you're *really* upsetting them. Bumblebees have too much to lose by being particularly pugnacious, as there are only a couple of hundred to a colony. Regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Embryo Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. >From wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net Thu May 23 13:50:35 EDT 1996 Article: 4450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!news From: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank Warner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Carpenter BEES digging into hill. What do I do? Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:33:52 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4nt63n$dus@ns2.ptd.net> Reply-To: wakingup@postoffice.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs2-14.con.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have what appear to be carpenter bees digging into a hill in my lawn. What can I do to suggest they move elsewhere? Frank >From BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net Thu May 23 13:50:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in1.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: KEN LAWRENCE Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Publication : The small Beekeepers Journal Date: 21 May 1996 22:09:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ntev7$omt@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4migfa$rh6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1996050719043666497@zetnet.co.uk> <4nr9aq$r3m@orion.cloudnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 118.kansas-city-1.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) THE SMALL BEEKEEPER'S JOURNAL The address I have is as following AND price is 12.95 a year: APPLE CREEK ENTERPRISES 300 E. HICKORY ST APPLE RIVER IL. 61001 PHONE: 815-594-2305 KEN >From dom@interpath.com Thu May 23 13:50:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!n ews.interpath.net!usenet From: "Donna L. York" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees! What can I do? Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:45:17 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Providing Internet access to North Carolina Lines: 5 Message-ID: <31A31A6D.EA8@interpath.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: charlotte-6.interpath.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) I'm new to this newsgroup, someone referred me to this one for help. I have a wooden deck, and I can't even enjoy it for the bees. I went out there one day and found a bee boring a hole in the wood. What can I do to get rid of them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 23 13:50:36 EDT 1996 Article: 4453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: newz.oit.unc.edu!news_server.cs.unc.edu!news-server.ncren.net!interpath!u unet!in1.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news4.agis.net!agis!holon et!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weighing machine for hives Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:20:00 GMT Message-ID: <9605211707532022@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 37 ---------------------------------------- *Bee Hive Scale under development. From the BEE-List (some errors in address so if interested try the top address ams@grpwise1.eiv.vsnet.ch ---------------------------------------- From: Serge AMOOS Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:53:35 +0200 Subject: weighing machine for hives Hello Our school of engineers is working in technology transfer. One of our = projects is the development of an inexpensive automatic weighing machine = for bee hives. It consists of a frame equiped with sensors that takes = place underneath the hive and an electronic pocket instrument for data = acquisition. This instrument can be used for many frames and connected to = a computer. We are interested in knowing the main characteristics of such a device and = would be pleased if you could possibly answer the following questions : 1. What should be the range of measure of the weighing machine? 2. What should be the precision? 3. What would be reasonable price for a frame? 4. What would be reasonable price for a data acquisition instrument? 5. How many hives would you equip with such a device? Thank you for your collaboration. Serge Amoos Ecole dnieurs du Valais 47, rte du Rawyl 1950 Sion Switzerland phone xx41 27 243 212 fax xx41 27 243 215 e-mail serge.amoos.eiv.vsnet.ch