Article 13179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Switching hives. Don't do it! Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:59:23 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6nbi8o$ciq2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899276420 nnrp-08:27069 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13179 In article <6nbi8o$ciq2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, Zadigvolta writes > I have also tried switching hives, a weak one for a strong one, in >order to equalize the field forces. When you consider the queen's scent >and the unknown strength of her pheremones, it makes quite evident the >foolhardiness of the method. After many attempts, during different years, >under many different conditions, with nearly every race available in the >U.S. (over 30 years), this method should never be attempted. One will >only wind up with dead queens, depopulated hives which were once strong, >angry bees, a loss of time and labor, etc. Sounds good at first, but it >really is much better just to take frames of brood with the attached nurse >bees out of an exceptionally strong hive and build up your weak ones by >inserting same. Joe > > I have to say that I agree more with Allen. We use hive switching as an infrequent yet successful method of both boosting a weaker ( but not VERY weak) colony whilst delaying the onset of swarming in a strong one. As Allen said, there is experience to be brought to bear in doing this. There are occasions, especially during nectar dearths, when it just won't work and the weak hive ends up queenless and dead bees at the front of both through fighting. Thus we are very careful about when we do it and the choice of colonies involved. More often we will rob brood from the strong and give to the weaker, but circumstances can sometimes allow us to do the colony swap instead. The VERY weak, but queenright, colony is best either done away with and a fresh split made into the equipment, or do a partial unite, taking a full box of brood and bees from a strong colony (making sure the queen is left back with the donor hive!) and uniting this over newspaper to the weaker hive. The parent colony then gets a fresh brood body added to bring her back up to two. If you have a single brood body operation you have to place at least a couple of bars of the brood in the new brood chamber back at the donor colony. This works really well and is not nearly so labour intensive as it sounds, plus it converts the weak into the productive very quickly, and is safer for those not at peace with the swapping method. As with many other things however, all bets are off if swarm cells have been started ( it can still work at the unsealed cells stage, but the more mature the cell the less the chances of success), and there is no point in doing it if the queen in the recipient colony is defective. I am sure that your location may also play a part in this. Both Allen and myself are in northern latitudes, albeit with radically different climates, and those in other areas may find it not so easy. Kind regards to all Murray -- Murray McGregor murray@denrosa.demon.co.uk Article 13180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:58:55 +1000 From: bibleBlack@bigpond.com (Andy White) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive thermo-dynamics Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.134.59.251 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!139.134.5.33!bibleBlack Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13180 Does anyone know of any papers or texts treating hive thermo-dynamics ? I have started reading books like ABC&XYZ et al. but haven't come across anything yet that suggests timber hives would suffer greatly from a 2.5mm reduction in thickness. 'Back-of-the-envelope' calculations (treating the problem as a heat pump in an empty box) suggest that a reduction in timber thickness from 21.5mm to 19mm would have negligable effect on hive temperatures (and hence honey consumption). The real situation is likely to be even better as the bees do not heat the whole volume, are fury etc. My motivation is that in Australia, 19mm is a standard timber size, whereas the recommended thickness isn't and savings in production costs for the backyard manufacturer would obviously result. TIA, Andy White, andy.white@rmit.edu.au Article 13181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:47:39 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <359b4a15.821773@news.jps.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.39 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.39 Lines: 28 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13181 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:44:04 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >How far can bees go to find nectar? When it come to getting into trouble or bringing trouble home the distance seems to be unlimited, such as getting into fields sprayed with pesticides. Having said that I had a yard 112+- of bees that made it to a Orange Grove 7 miles away every few years but not every year and were able to produce orange honey in the brood chambers. The flew out of a dry or desert area without any flowers over rolling hills with NO flowers only brown pasture between them and the Orange Grove. I believe they could do this because of the air movement that would bring in the odor from the blooming oranges and allow them an easy flight to and from the groves. ttul, the OLd Drone Keep Up with the BEE News http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:28:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <359A3983.583B@nt.com> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13182 JAF wrote: > > Marc Andelman wrote in message <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>... > >How far can bees go to find nectar? > > > >Regards. > >Marc Andelman > > The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest > something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good The 3 feet or 3 mile rule is based on bees flying no more than 1.5 miles so that they don't inadvertantly fly over an area that corresponds to the old map they seem to keep in their head and hence go back to where the used to be. How this squares up to the fact that bees have been seen to go more than 3 miles for a good nectar source I don't know. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 1 Jul 1998 15:03:45 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: hird-at-lvld.hp.com replace -at- with @ NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13183 George Styer (gstyLer@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Steve Hird wrote in article : <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... : > : > : > I am in my second year of bee keeping. Last year my bees died : > because the queen disappeared and a laying worker took her place. : > This year I have two hives one doing great and the other not great. : > One hive lost it's queen and replaced her, I know because : > the queen with the blue dot was gone and un-dotted queen was in the : hive, : > also saw the queen cells. : This is not uncommon. However i doubt if she was "lost". Most likely they : superceded her. As you have experienced, being able to tell when your queen : has changed is a huge benefit of marking her. : > This new queen never layed eggs and she is missing. : How long ago did she emerge? What has the weather been like? Could be that : she has not yet mated or has mated and not yet begun laying. Can your : provide any more info as to timing? This seems to have been the problem. She emerged two weeks ago. I found her and noticed she had not done any laying. I though I would give her a week to get into the maternal spirit. After that week, I could not find her and still no signs of laying. I jumped the gun and decided she was a dud and she is gone, this is on Saturday. So I had weavers send me a new queen (fed ex overnight) got the queen Tuesday, and per the advice of this group I ensured that my hive was queenless before putting the new queen in the hive. Well there she was in all her glory laying eggs like a champ so I left the hive alone. Now I have more queens than hives. My goal this year is to maximizes my odds of having a good hive or two so I am hesitant to split any hives to accommodate my excess queen. If any one is interested in a Buck-Fast Queen nearly direct form Weavers, free (I will even ship her) let me know today. Or if anyone has any good ideas of what else to do with the excess queen (of coarse I am aware of the smashing option) please let me know. Thanks to everyone for the advice ... this group is one highest-quality on-subject news groups on the net. ... Steve Hird hird-at-lvld (replace -at- with @) Article 13184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Frames Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 07:41:17 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <17F856C22S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13184 In article iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) writes: > > As I am not overly >experienced in cutting the cappings off the honey, I pretty well butchered >the comb. > >Question is.... will the bees rebuild the comb.... Ira, Assuming the comb will go back on as honey supers then you have nothing to worry about. The bees will rebuild the comb so well you won't be able to tell they started with "butchered comb". If however you are going to reuse the frames in a brood chamber then your concern of excessive drone comb may be valid and you might want to go with your first plan (harvest the wax). The bees will always rebuilt the comb, but with irregular patterns (butchered combs) they may not be inclined to build all worker cells. Good luck with your varroa treatments, whatever you use. Proponents of FGMO will point out that treatment is possible even when you have honey supers on. I think the path you are following is the most prudent. Again, good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 13185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!161.33.3.1!QMS!not-for-mail From: "todd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Date: 1 Jul 1998 15:39:42 GMT Organization: QMS, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc> References: <3598C108.BE73ECD1@leuko.biomed.cas.cz> <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.135.135 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13185 I got one for $15 US. sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote in article <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca>... > I recently purchased an epipen as a precaution, and they where 75$ > Canadian. I beleive the ana-kits are around 40-45$ Canadian > > Karel Drbal wrote: > > > I want to ask you about the price of Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit in the US, > > Canada or western Europe. > > In our country it seems to be quite high -around $60 for single adult > > dose. > > TYA > > > > -- > > Karel Drbal > > Laboratory of Leukocyte Antigens > > Institute of Molecular Genetics > > Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic > > Videnska 1083 > > 142 20 PRAHA 4 > > Czech Republic, Europe > > voice: +420-2-4752589 > > fax: +420-2-44472282 > > home: +420-2-67315204 > > e-mail: drbal@leuko.biomed.cas.cz > > WWW: http://leuko.biomed.cas.cz > > > > Article 13186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "P.Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Zealand (Italian Queens) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:28:47 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ndrkt$62u$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.27.26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13186 I thought I'd enquire about other beekeepers views on New Zealand queens. I have kept them for 5 years and have been rewarded with very enjoyable beekeeping, bees that are more reluctant to swarm than the usual and good returns of honey. Sounds good doesn't it! Various other beekeepers almost condem me for keeping them mentioning that they are prone to Acarine, difficult to winter (in the UK) and a queen breeder even mentioned what a horrible colour they are. The last two comments I have just thrown out of the window as utter rubbish, but what concerns me is this view on their susceptibility to Acarine. How can one type of bee be more prone to this infestation than another? Fortunately, I haven't had this problem, but if anyone else out there has any views on this I would be interested to hear from you. Article 13187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:35 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-149.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-149.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13187 Marc Andelman wrote in message <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>... >How far can bees go to find nectar? > >Regards. >Marc Andelman The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more. According to the Beekeeper's Handbook (Owen Meyer, 1981), a bee normally has 'fuel' for "15 minutes flight, 4 to 5 miles, but can replenish by consuming nectar on the way. Some nectar collected from a source at a distance from the hive must be used for the return journey, so there is a point beyond which it is not economical to collect nectar. The excess would be consumed to get back to the hive. The Law of diminishing Returns applies to bees too!" hth -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <359AA7F1.1C7E5449@shaw.wave.ca> From: Joan Tuckey Reply-To: tuckey@shaw.wave.ca Organization: Notes & Numbers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apimondia '99 References: <6n2v2v$soh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <3598E3CF.ABCFA5DA@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:19:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: h24-64-14-253.ed.wave.shaw.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:19:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13188 The correct address is http://www.apimondia99.ca The original poster put a slash instead of a dot after www Allen Welk wrote: > Double check the Webb address: I think it should be > www.apimondia.ca. The link will not take you to the > proper web page. -- Joan Tuckey, Edmonton, AB mailto:tuckey@shaw.wave.ca http://www.edm.shaw.wave.ca/~jtuckey/joan.html Article 13189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:14:19 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899332411 nnrp-08:10489 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13189 In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman writes >How far can bees go to find nectar? I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 miles away (as the bee flies) -- Tom S Article 13190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: numen@rotfl.com (Tom) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT Organization: TN Lines: 18 Message-ID: <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <359ac007.43241213@news.fastlane.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> Reply-To: numen@rotfl.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at fastlane.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Jul 1 18:03:29 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dD`rX+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13190 How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes from? On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:14:19 +0100, Tom Speight wrote: >In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > writes >>How far can bees go to find nectar? >I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >miles away (as the bee flies) _____________________________ Tom numen@rotfl.com Article 13191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1998 02:35:14 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-138.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13191 Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this afternoon. Just wondered? Jack Article 13192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.184.182.21!tricia!default From: hotopic2@hotmail.com (William Wallace) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Flow in Michigan (Washtenaw County) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:09:29 GMT Organization: slow but sure Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6nf0qn$dl2@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com> References: <35957529.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8-2.lse.fullfeed.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13192 It's been cold, wet and windy here in Wisconsin, so things are lagging a bit. Perhaps you got off to a late start, and missed the apple/dandelion ect. flow, but clover's comin' on strong with all the rain... so relax... read a book. In article <35957529.0@news.ic.net>, "Owners" wrote: >Can someone tell me when the honey flow is supposed to begin? Article 13193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Establishing outyards Date: 2 Jul 1998 04:46:11 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6nf3aj$j9s@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13193 I would like to expand my hobby and local laws say 2 hives on my small ubran lot, so my questions are: How does one go about locating property owners that would be agreeable to having some hives on their property? What kind of agreements are typical for a hobbyist, yard rent, etc? What about liability? I am located in California where we litigate everything. Any caveats? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 13194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:34:29 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b309f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13194 Andy Nachbaur wrote in message <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net>... >On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT, numen@rotfl.com (Tom) wrote: > >>How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >>from? > >In my case it was Orange honey which is water white in color, has the >aroma of Oranges and there were no other nectar sources. > >>>>How far can bees go to find nectar? >>>I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >>>first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >>>miles away (as the bee flies) > >I don't make Heather honey but I have heard from the few bee keepers >that I have met that have that it is very easy to tell as it is jelly >like and can not or is hard to extract when pure... I remember the >taste as different also but don't quote me as its been awhile. I also >remember the color as brown again I may be a shade or two off on that >also. But I will bet you the beekeepers who produce it can tell you. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > >http://beenet.com > Heather honey is THIXOTROPIC. (It exhibits 'thixotropy') That is, when left alone, it's consistency is jelly-like, but when agitated/stirred, turns liquid. When subsequently left alone (again), it returns to it's jelly state. Honeys from different sources have different flavours, colours and consistencies. After long observation (hundreds of years?) many (especially the 'best') varieties are well known. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <28069820.2931@none444.yet> Subject: Re: This Is YOUR Opportunity!!! Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:42:41 +0100 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-182.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b3bed.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-182.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13195 no.email.address.entered@none444.yet wrote in message <28069820.2931@none444.yet>... >From: Erik Meinhardt >Subject: ALMOST FREE$$!! >Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:32 PM > SPAM SCAM and not one single mention of bees. Aren't chain letters illegal in UK? KJ Article 13196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Wed, 01 Jul 98 08:48:57 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13196 In article <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> "JAF" writes: >The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest >something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good >weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more.... As I understand it, the "3 feet or 3 miles" rule suggests that bees will fly up to a mile and a half from their hive. The area in which bees forage is viewed as a circle with a 1.5 mi radius, the center of which is the hive location. If the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the new location overlaps the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the old location the bees will return to the old location. 1.5 + 1.5 = 3, hence the 3 mile rule of thumb. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 13197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SWARM help needed Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:53:54 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <359BBB22.C8533F63@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899398293 38BMS018M6539CDA2C usenet85.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13197 *{repost}* Open invitation for a berating or two. Here's what I did,,,What I'd like to know is,,,how could I have done it better or easier? Got a call from a frantic landlord, (where the company I work for rents some rooftop for communication stuff), saying there are bees everywhere buzzing his tenants and they seem to be going in and out of a hole that we made in his building. (the hole was OK just not the bees) Upon arrival,,sure enough,,, he had a full fledged hive in the parapet up on the roof. So basically, this hive is in a wall. I was able to cut a section out of one side of the wall to get a little access to the hive. (there were blockages that couldn't be moved for full access). Anyway,,,as I said,,,with a panicky landlord breathing over my shoulder mumbling about bug spray,,,I had to make the executive decision to do it the sloppy way to just get all the hive out of the wall and put it and as many bees as possible into a box with a few frames of drawn comb. I really hated to do it that way but it was that or he'd kill them all. I'm not even sure if I got the queen or not,,,I'll go back tomorrow to see if they're setting up house in the new box or not. So there ya have it,,,,if and when there is a next time,,,what would have made this a cleaner "de-install"? ~*Note*~ the hive, I'm guessing,(as I couldn't see the whole thing), was approx. 2 ft X 3 ft X 6 in deep. and there was a whole boatload of drones in there which is why I had even more troubles trying to find a queen,,,a LOT of them looked bigger! Anyways,,,,sorry my sordid tale is sooo long ,,,anything constructive would be greatly appreciated Don't forget to remove the "notanks" in my address, when replying! Article 13198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Galanized Honey Extractor Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998070218113100.OAA14394@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jul 1998 18:11:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <359790F0.2221@nt.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13198 As Adrian point out, it is food safety regulations that say that you cannot use galvainzed equipment for honey processing. Here is Oregon (as in many states) you cannot get a honey house approved with galvanized equipment UNLESS it is paint with a food-grade epoxey paint. The concern is storing honey in galvanizwd tanks (wiht lead soldered seams) could lead to zinc and/or lead leaching out. In reality, you would have to leave the honey in there a long time and have a good gas chromatigraph to measure any contamination. It's just the government-types portecting us from ourselves. Ther are thousand of the Kelly (and other mfgs) galvanized extractors in use by hobbyist beekeepers that are doing just fine. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:42:09 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899412752 nnrp-01:15514 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13199 In article , Tom Speight writes >In article <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > writes >>How far can bees go to find nectar? >I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >miles away (as the bee flies) This is not unknown. Several years ago we made up some nucs and left them in a site in a local village to build up for winter. This was at least 5 miles from the nearest heather. I was surprised to find out in September when I went to finally check them over and feed them that none needed feeding, all were well supplied with Lime (Linden or Basswood) and Heather honey. A couple were severely congested they had brought in so much heather. A rarity, sure, but it illustrates how far they can go. In 1997 we co-operated with a local farmer in the purchase of seed of Phacelia to plant on some of his set-aside land. This was the only plot of this in our whole county, and it has a very distinctive dark purplish blue, almost black at first glance, pollen. It is also a great nectar yielder and highly attractive to bees. We had many apiaries in the vicinity, but we were surprised to find this distinctive pollen present in colonies at substantial distances from the field, the furthest was 5.5 miles away in a direct line. The quantities diminished with distance and at the most distant site only two hives out of 40 were working it. This was a real eye opener to me as prior to that I had happily believed the old three miles story. We subsequently had to move one of the apiaries about two miles, still well within the range described, but got no 'fly-back' occurring. I would reckon that having a marker pollen like that can show us just how much behaviour outside the accepted norms goes on, similar to the enlightening situation when you introduce a colony of a radically different colour to an apiary that you see just how much drifting goes on between hives. Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 13200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drag Queen???? Date: 2 Jul 1998 20:22:16 GMT Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ngq5o$9nm$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.152.160 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 899410936 XWIOA1DPV98A0D12AC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13200 I've had a Queenless hive with laying workers. I have broken the hive down and put the frames into my other hives to take care of the laying worker/workers. But while looking thru the hive to see if a queen was in there, I noticed that the workers had made Queen cells. Not my question is: Since the laying workers only lay drone eggs, if they lay an egg in the queen cell, and the workers treat it as a Queen eggs with royal jelly and all. When the bee hatches out is it still a drone but thinking it's a Queen? Does it act like a Queen or a Drone? So would it be called a Drag Queen then? :) It's a wonder how strange things run thru some people's head out in the woods alone with thousands of bees to keep you company, and it gives you time to think about how things are and "What If" on other things. mdiver@voy.net Article 13201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:42:06 +0100 Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359c0741.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-162.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13201 Aaron Morris wrote in message <17F867BFCS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>... >In article <3599ec46.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> >"JAF" writes: > >>The "3feet or 3miles" rule, when moving a hive would seem to suggest >>something slightly under, or in the region of, 3 miles, though in good >>weather, and a well fed bee, it may well be more.... > >As I understand it, the "3 feet or 3 miles" rule suggests that bees will fly >up to a mile and a half from their hive. The area in which bees forage is >viewed as a circle with a 1.5 mi radius, the center of which is the hive >location. If the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the new location overlaps >the circle with a 1.5 mi radius from the old location the bees will return to >the old location. 1.5 + 1.5 = 3, hence the 3 mile rule of thumb. > >Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! It's logical, I know, but the rest of my post, quoted and referenced, said up to 5 miles. I wonder what Von Frisch said. He should have known. Can anyone out there help? -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 2 Jul 1998 23:23:42 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13202 Watch and report. Both turkey's and bees are fascinating. The combination should be a treat. In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) says: >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? > >Jack > > -- Article 13203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Annemarie Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question on bees in the rain Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:45:50 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup35.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13203 I've noticed it's kind of amusing to watch the front of the hive sometimes when a little rain shower pops up from an otherwise clear sky. The normal rather chaotic jumble of bees hovering, orienting, and flying in and out quickly organizes into a dash into the hive. It looks sort of like a powerful vacuum were suddenly turned on inside the hive. My question arose from such an observation recently. I noticed that this "vacuum effect continued for several minutes into the rain shower, which means to me that foragers flew through the rain to the hive over reasonably long distances. I've read that foragers returning to the hive are likely to have an added 80% of body weight in nectar, and that this weight makes it difficult to make pinpoint approaches -- thus the benefit of a wide, angled landing board. Well, if a bee is having such trouble flying, and gets hit by a raindrop, which can easily be equal in diameter to the bee and several times the bee's weight, and which (the raindrop) is also falling at terminal velocity ... how can the bee survive the impact, much less keep flying? Or does the bee simply get knocked to the ground to resume flying after re-gathering its "wits?' Or can the bees actually "dodge" the raindrops (and if so, why not simply stay out during the storm)? Lots of other questions come to mind, but does anyone know anything about this? Article 13204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question on bees in the rain Date: 3 Jul 1998 03:25:26 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6nhiv6$hhc$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13204 In article <359C61FE.50AC@usit.net>, Annemarie Dugan wrote: > Or does the bee simply get >knocked to the ground to resume flying after re-gathering its "wits?' I've observed foragers do this in the field. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PMS? Date: 3 Jul 1998 03:32:47 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13205 Hello. I've observed AFB-like symptoms, melted down larva with pupal tounges evident, but the remains doesn't really "rope" it's more like Sac Brood: it begins to rope, and then coalesces into a blob. Is this what others have seen with PMS? Of course I'm going to send some off to venerable Beltsville, but wondered if these symptoms sound familiar. thanks, Adam (P.S. I've only seen two varroa mites on workers this season so far, everything else being somewhat equal last year I saw ~100 by now.) -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!news From: "a" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: t Date: 3 Jul 1998 06:06:27 GMT Organization: Academic Computer Services Amsterdam (SARA) Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bda648$b71c8e40$e528abc2@pcpeene.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc229.cemo.nioo.knaw.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13206 t Article 13207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 3 Jul 1998 11:43:24 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-002-29.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8286 rec.gardens:269378 rec.gardens.edible:12490 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13207 sci.agriculture.fruit:1992 Paul Onstad wrote in article <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1>... > > >>Brad Faber wrote: > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > selected areas while it's blooming. We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!nntphost.dur.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:27:21 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <359CC019.4A54DF07@durham.ac.uk> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fourier.dur.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13208 Dr C.J. Browning wrote: > > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. I recently had to move mine a short distance (about 10 yards), the easiest way to do this is to move them 3 miles away and then, about a week later, move them back. Article 13209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to make Propolis Tincture? Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:33:24 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6nhu5k$3j215@scotty.tinet.ie> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p55.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13209 Christian von Wechmar wrote in message ... >I have recently become interested in Propolis as a medicine. I have >looked in my dad's beekeeping books but cannot find a recipe to make a >propolis tincture. I have also searched the "propolis sites" on the www >but it seems that they only want to sell the propolis, not show how it is >made. > >I have gathered some propolis from a vacated hive. What do I do now? I >would like to use the Propolis topically and internally. Place the propolis into a jar and cover it with ethanol ( I use Gin or Vodka), leave to dissolve for several day giving it a shake to assist the solution. Filter into a bottle. To use internally take the dose diluted with water. It forms a good mouthwash for mouth ulcers. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PMS? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:27:28 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <359CB210.284D@juno.com> References: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.254 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899472577 OCZ7E7JIA4FFECDD8C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Adam Finkelstein Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13210 sure sounds like what has been conveniently labeled as bpms (bee parasitic mite syndrome, to bee politically correct!)...most likely a melange of secondary infections activated/vectored by mites(either/ both may be involved, but not necessarily so) that is usually diagnosed by a process of elimination (ie,ruling out afb/efb by lab analysis)...although susceptibility may vary according to genetics and/or environmental stresses, the bacterial symptoms can be somewhat remedied by antibiotics, viral and fungal symptoms may respond to requeening, and the episode may be temporarily masked by a strong honey flow. good luck! Article 13211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive thermo-dynamics Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:24:22 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <359A3886.744E@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13211 Andy White wrote: > > anything yet that suggests timber hives would suffer greatly from a 2.5mm > reduction in thickness. > My motivation is that in Australia, 19mm is a standard timber size, > whereas the recommended thickness isn't and savings in production costs > for the backyard manufacturer would obviously result. > Your standard size sounds very similar to the UK 1 inch thisck PAR timber (PAR = Planed All Round) where the wood is 1 inch thick before planing and ens up at about 19 to 20 mm. My bees have been living in hives made out of this wood for 5 years and don't seem to mind. You have to decide, well I did anyway, whether to conform to the internal or external dimensions for your hives, I chose external. This choice means that from the outside the hive looks standard and 'proper' dimention hive parts fit and gives slightly more room inside, sometimes reslts in brace comb being created. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 13212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 1 Jul 1998 16:37:41 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6ndokl$3i8@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.241 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13212 3 ideas for your surplus come to mind: 1. make up an observation hive 2. make up a small nuc 3. a 2 queen colony -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Steve Hird wrote in article <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... > George Styer (gstyLer@worldnet.att.net) wrote: > : Steve Hird wrote in article > : <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com>... > : > > : > > > (I will even ship her) let me know today. Or if anyone has any good ideas > of what else to do with the excess queen (of coarse I am aware of the smashing > option) please let me know. > > Thanks to everyone for the advice ... this group is one highest-quality > on-subject news groups on the net. > > ... Steve Hird > hird-at-lvld (replace -at- with @) > Article 13213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:35:40 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <359cd9c1.55228301@news.earthlink.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust102.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13213 Marc Andelman wrote: >How far can bees go to find nectar? Marc, An experiment related to this question was reported by J.E. Eckert in the Journal of Economic Entomology in 1933 (47:257-85). They had bees in the Wyoming badlands where they could control the distance to the nearest nectar source. According to that report, bees 8.5 miles from the food were able to find it, but those 9 miles away were not. Later, more practical studies showed that colonies 3/4 of a mile (1.2 km) away from a nectar source gained far less weight than colonies located right at the crop food source (32% less one year, 83% less in another year). [Ribbands, C.R. (1951) in Journal of Animal Ecology, 20: 220-6, and in Bee World (1952), 33: 2-6]. Regarding the movement of bees, my personal experince is that, within a mile or two, the farther they are moved, the fewer field bees that return to the old location. That is, moving one mile will have far few bees returning to the old location than moving 1/4 mile. It is not an all-or-none thing, and may be related to individual bees' past flight experience. -John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 13214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <359CF4F0.A0D3B55B@gocougs.wsu.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:12:48 -0700 From: Wendy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 911 hive removal-San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.137.153.76 X-Trace: 3 Jul 1998 08:02:28 +0700, 207.137.153.76 Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.67.253.7!atmnet.net!newsboy.4d.net!207.137.153.76 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13214 Help- Honeybees have invaded our garage while we were on vacation. Honey is literally dripping down the walls and covering the garage floor. Before we call an exterminator, is there anyone in the San Diego area that would be interested in removing the hive for us??? I hate to kill the little buggers.... Wendy 565-8141 -- Wendy Joplin mailto:wjoplin@gocougs.wsu.edu http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/5289/pix.htm Article 13215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: jprice@infi.net (Jack Price) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: 3 Jul 1998 15:24:05 GMT Organization: Infinet L.C. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6nit2l$6rf$1@nw001t.infi.net> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-165.roanoke.infi.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13215 In article <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org>, ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) says: > > > >Watch and report. Both turkey's and bees are fascinating. The >combination should be a treat. > > In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack >Price) says: > >>Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >>afternoon. Just wondered? >> >>Jack >> Can I use you as an authority for 'scientific capture' of the offending turkeys? :^) Only an analysis of the stomach contents would proof it. Would eating the turkey void the experiment? Jack Article 13216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!aruba.odu.edu!reznor.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: "Eric Engelhard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Todd Traps Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:51:06 -0700 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ngob5$e11$1@ubnnews.unisource.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: du5.paus.ch X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 899409061 14369 (None) 194.209.60.101 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13216 Hello all, I was wondering if anyone has experience with Todd traps. Todd traps are devices mounted to a hive entrance and consist of a series of screens and/or bevels designed to get "undertaker" bees to drop dead bees in a collecting tray or jar, rather than having the dead bees removed to a greater distance (where they would be difficult to count). I have used the basic tray design, a lighter funnel design, and a simple cylinder (my own design). The performance of all have been satisfactory, but I am always on the lookout for something more elegant (simple, cheap, effective, light, rugged). Anyone have a candidate? Much appreciated, Eric Engelhard Group Leader Terrestrial Ecotoxicology Springborn Laboratories (Europe) AG Switzerland Article 13217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PMS? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:23:38 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a000f7.8348332@news.jps.net> References: <6nhjcv$hlq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.12 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.12 Lines: 43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13217 On 3 Jul 1998 03:32:47 GMT, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >I've observed AFB-like symptoms, melted down larva with pupal tounges evident, >but the remains doesn't really "rope" it's more like Sac Brood: it begins to >rope, and then coalesces into a blob. >Is this what others have seen with PMS? Of course I'm going to send some off >to venerable Beltsville, but wondered if these symptoms sound familiar. Don't know about any PMS but when a hive population has been reduced over a period of time because of a failing queen it is quite common to find small patches of shoot gun brood being attacked by all kinds of pathogens including AFB after is has been neglected by the bees. AFB normally has a smell that you should be able to detect early on. But it does sound to me like you are looking at one of the other bacterial agents associated with EFB or you could have a mix. As a commercial beekeeper I follow the old rules, if in doubt about AFB burn em. But TM really makes a difference when used early in the spring before brood rearing gets going. >(P.S. I've only seen two varroa mites on workers this season so far, >everything else being somewhat equal last year I saw ~100 by now.) Interesting, very interesting, but what's the treatment history if known and what cycle of brood are they in. If the bees were treated last fall and the season is late the build up of mites could also be late. But I like the idea of less mites being found for what ever reason as it fits in to what others have told me from areas that have had a much longer history with them then we have. And that is that they the Vampire mites in time reach a tolerable level with or without man's intervention and do no measurable harm if they themselves are the only problem the individual hive has and this includes the so called feral populations. ttul, the OLd Drone at home in Los Banos, California http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: FMcCloskey@webtv.net (Frank McCloskey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee! Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:08:55 -0500 (CDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19379-359D1027-18@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR9rrTzZgd6SmOhadQtCgSk0fiJFQIUVghR5SrBYEWiiXVcvmOclcjDDps= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13218 Hi! I'm interested in learning about beekeeping, but I don't know where to begin. Please help. Thanks. Article 13219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 08:22:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <17F8775BBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13219 In article <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> on 1 Jul 1998 15:03:45 GMT you write: > ... If any one is >interested in a Buck-Fast Queen nearly direct form Weavers, free >(I will even ship her) let me know today. Well Steve, this is a very generous offer. If noone has already spoken up I'd be happy to accept your offer. Send Express mail ans a SASE and I'll even pay, free is too good to be true! Sincerely, Aaron Morris PO Box 246 Round Lake, NY 12151-0246 Article 13220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Follow-up on "Swarms Everywhere" Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:54:27 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 58 Message-ID: <359d9577.447443922@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co55-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 03 8:01:10 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13220 This is a follow-up message from my last post two weeks ago regarding a recent swarm which took up residence in someone's house. Following some seven or eight swarms I've collected since then (and two hives out of the walls of houses) I've finally found the time to respond back from my bee-swarm experiences of late. The box did NOT work. They bees simply found a new exit/entrance. I'm convinced that bees need a great deal of further encouragement to take up a new home other than a box you provide them with.....i.e., the queen and any existing brood or honey-stores. I've learned this from picking up 8 swarms in the past two weeks. After the 3'rd or 4'th, I came back to one of my 'new' hives & carefully pried open the top to see how they had adjusted. ONE sole bee had adjusted very well, with the remainder GONE! I found these about 30-feet away and recaptured them. This time ( and everytime from now on) I'll use a queen excluder on the bottom board. The only problem with this is that you have to be 100% certain that you shake out the queen into your hive! In the past two weeks, I've accidently missed the queen & noticed a substantial bee-buildup on the outside entrance - as if a queen were in the midde. Both times I've removed the queen excluder and examined it to find the queen clinging to the outside! I simply encouraged the queen to drop back into the hive & replaced the excluder - now I have happy new hives again. GOOD LUCK TO THOSE OF YOU COLLECTING SWARMS! >Old post from 2 weeks ago: >----------------------------------------------- >After calling some of the pest-removal services in town, I happened by one which had two calls in a row from home-owners whom were complaining of swarms of bees (Castle Rock, CO). >Free bees? That's for me! >However, upon arrival of both locations, the home-owners BOTH said the bees had begun to swarm on their houses on Sunday and only just today (Tues) had called for help. Too late, unfortunately, as the bees on both locations had found their new home into the eaves of the houses. >I decided to try & see if I couldn't 'coax' one of the larger swarms(hive?) out of their new home, as there seemed to be an extremely large amount of bees coming in for a landing (counted approx. 20-30 every 10 seconds). >There were only two problems: >1) the entrance to the bees is some 40feet up from ground-level >2) I've never done this before (complete novice with only 2 hives!) >I'd read where another beekeeper coaxed a swarm out of a wall using a hive and a frame of brood out of another hive. He simply attached a wire-mesh cone (4" at the wall, down to 1/2" at the far opening) which effectively made a one-way bee-valve --- bees would fly out of the wall, but found it difficult to return. Feeling homeless & lost, the bees would begin work inside of the next best thing - the hive left at the end of the cone which contained the frames of brood & honey. His intention was that the bees would immediately begin raising a new queen. This scheme succeded in drawing all the worker bees out of the wall & robbing the old hive of it's honey over a 30-day period. There might have been more to this than what I remember, though this seemed to be the general idea. >SO, I constructed a cardboard box with 4-5 frames, one consising of comb-honey & a bit of brood from one of my hives. I attached the makeshift hive as close to the entrance of the swarm as possible (approx 5 "). At the opening of the eave, I closed off their entrance with a combination of packing foam (to seal) and a cardboard tube in the middle of the foam which connected the old entrance to the new hive. I figured the bees would have to go through my new hive to gain access to the outside world, or find a new way out of the eave. As well, to keep the bees in the new hive, I made a small version of the "one-way" valve, with a mesh screen cone which narrowed to 1/2" (or so) inside of my hive. >Will this work? >I've figured that the bees will likely suffocate if they don't get enough airflow following the restriction I placed at their entrance. AND, I'm not sure the brood I have in the frame are of the right age to make a new queen, and I'm doubtful the eggs will keep without immediate attention from the bees. There's also the possibility that the bees found a new way into the world via the inside of the house. Wouldn't that be nice? >Since I have VERY LITTLE IDEA of what I'm doing....and am applying a "best guess" at many factors, any help on this guess would be appreciated. >Stay tuned for the follow-up in the next few days. >PS - the 40-foot drop was definately NOT worth the risk, and I'll likely limit future risky adventures to 15 feet or less. >Oh...they were going to kill the bees unless I tried my best effort on getting some/all of the bees out right away - so both the bees & I had very little to lose. The homeowner described the swarm as "blackening" his deck on Sunday, covering a 4' x 6' area. Taking the house apart is NOT an option for this homeowner, and he'll kill the bees if I don't succeed. Article 13221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <359E30FD.D8C87EF4@mis.net> From: michael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <359b4a15.821773@news.jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.84 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 06:40:12 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13221 I have heard of a hive in a desert area that had to fly 8 miles to get to the nearest water source. T hat is the furthest I have heard tell of bees flying. Article 13222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!infoserv.utdallas.edu!biggary From: Gary Cooper Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:50:36 -0500 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: infoserv.utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:269630 rec.gardens.edible:12578 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13222 On 3 Jul 1998, Julie R. Wise wrote: > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms available. Gary Article 13223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 04:33:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6nlpfi$2iu$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> <6nh4pu$lh1@ednet2.orednet.org> <6nit2l$6rf$1@nw001t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port30.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13223 jp >> In a previous article, jprice@infi.net (Jack >>Price) says: >> >>>Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >>>afternoon. Just wondered? >>> >>>Jack >>> I raise both turkeys (bronze) and bees. They won't even eat drones when offered. I guess they know by the smell. Greg. Greg // I think, therefore, I bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:43:42 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899412754 nnrp-01:15514 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13224 In article <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library- proxy.airnews.net>, Tom writes >How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >from? > >Tom >numen@rotfl.com Heather honey is very distictive, and not easily mistaken for anything else. -- Murray McGregor Article 13225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How far do bees fly Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:51:58 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <359b081c.5125221@news.jps.net> References: <3599A274.7B56@ultranet.com> <28BA991AA648BBBE.617B2C740A089214.8CB614422693EE0C@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.43 Lines: 28 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13225 On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:03:14 GMT, numen@rotfl.com (Tom) wrote: >How does one know what kind of honey it is? Or where the nectar comes >from? In my case it was Orange honey which is water white in color, has the aroma of Oranges and there were no other nectar sources. >>>How far can bees go to find nectar? >>I know one beekeeper who harvested heather honey last year (not for the >>first time) and the nearest known heather of any quantity to him is 6-7 >>miles away (as the bee flies) I don't make Heather honey but I have heard from the few bee keepers that I have met that have that it is very easy to tell as it is jelly like and can not or is hard to extract when pure... I remember the taste as different also but don't quote me as its been awhile. I also remember the color as brown again I may be a shade or two off on that also. But I will bet you the beekeepers who produce it can tell you. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:37:51 +0100 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359b30a0.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-177.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13226 Jack Price wrote in message <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net>... >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? > >Jack > We don't have wild turkeys here in Scunthorpe! But sparrows and Starlings have been seen 'bisecting' bees, apparently for the honey/nectar 'inside', and leaving the bee, dead and uneaten! Though I must admit I lhave never seen this, only read about it. However, if Wild Turkeys eat insects, there is probably a likelihood. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news2.saix.net!mnn.mweb.co.za!196.2.57.196 From: christian@owf.co.za (Christian von Wechmar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to make Propolis Tincture? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:25:48 +0200 Organization: One World Film Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.mweb.co.za X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13227 Hi there, I have recently become interested in Propolis as a medicine. I have looked in my dad's beekeeping books but cannot find a recipe to make a propolis tincture. I have also searched the "propolis sites" on the www but it seems that they only want to sell the propolis, not show how it is made. I have gathered some propolis from a vacated hive. What do I do now? I would like to use the Propolis topically and internally. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Any info will be greatly appreciated. I could also use some info on the healing properties of propolis. Is there any www site with proper scientific study info on propolis? Thank you for reading this post. Sincerely, Christian von Wechmar Article 13228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.smart1.net!not-for-mail From: Jack Wesolowski Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:33:45 -0400 Organization: Smart Lines: 15 Message-ID: <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> Reply-To: wesolowski@freewwweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-34.max-1.bal.smartworld.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8296 rec.gardens:269698 rec.gardens.edible:12600 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13228 sci.agriculture.fruit:1997 Julie R. Wise wrote: > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. Article 13229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.66.157.252!connix.com!usenet From: "Jonathan B. Bishop" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:04:55 -0400 Organization: Connix - The Connecticut Internet Exchange Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6no15e$11h@beast.connix.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 79.ct8.dyn.connix.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8302 rec.gardens:269770 rec.gardens.edible:12638 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13229 sci.agriculture.fruit:1999 Jack Wesolowski wrote in message <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com>... >Julie R. Wise wrote: > >> We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is >> mowed. >You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the >DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more >than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee >humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. You better take some history lessons, Jack . DDT hasn't been used for probably 30 years. There were plenty of bees then, and have been since, to accomplish pollination of crops. Use of ANY insecticide while there are flowering plants present in the field can severely impact foraging bees, but I suspect the recent shortage of wild bees you have noticed is due to Varroa and Tracheal Mites that attack colonies of Honey Bees. Professional beekeepers are able to treat their hives to control the mites, but wild colonies enjoy no such benefactors. As I understand the problem, there are some bees that are naturally resistant to the mites and over time these survivors will breed resistance into the larger population. We have 2 wild bee colonies living in the wall of one of our barns that seem quite healthy. Regards, Jonathan ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jonathan Bishop Bishop's Orchards B.W. Bishop & Sons, Inc. Growers of Fine Fruit since 1871 1355 Boston Post Road Phone: (203)453-2338 Guilford, CT 06437 FAX: (203)458-7125 E-mail: jbbishop@connix.com Come visit us on the Web at www.bishopsorchards.com ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Article 13230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive thermo-dynamics Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998070516103900.MAA03706@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jul 1998 16:10:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <359A3886.744E@nt.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13230 Guys when making your own hives the INSIDE demensions are the important ones to maintain. Look in your books for information on bee space. The reason you are getting brace comb is you have made the space too big. I add a 1/2" (12mm I Think) insulation durring winter to help in mantaining heat. Don't cover your hive too tightly bees need to get rid of built up moisture more than keep the whole hive warm (they only need to warm the winter cluster.) Jeff Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend Article 13231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35887826.0@199.103.243.32> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (CONCLUSION) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:53:07 +0100 Lines: 46 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <359f8596.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-84.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13231 Richard D. Hackworth wrote in message <35887826.0@199.103.243.32>... Please post your findings and conclusion >to this experiment. I would like to know your results! > >Richard Hackworth B.S. M.A. Ed. >554 Station Branch >Prestonsburg, Ky 41653 > > >JAF wrote in message <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Turkeys Eat Bees? Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:11:55 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 899644547 nnrp-03:762 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13232 In article <6nerl2$vn6$1@nw003t.infi.net>, Jack Price writes >Came upon a small flock of turkeys around an isolated hive I have this >afternoon. Just wondered? Get the barbie going. All the ingredients for honey roast turkey. -- Tom S Article 13233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: phoenix@aug.com (Stanton A Hershman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: waxmoth Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:34:51 GMT Organization: Phoenix Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> Reply-To: phoenix@aug.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.71.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899681802 OCZ7E7JIA47CED11BC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13233 anyone got a sure fire way to get the wax moth larvae out of a hive only one hive is being bothered and it is driving me nuts like having a guest in your home with unsavory habits and refuses to go somewhere else best regards stanton If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles? If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts. WEBPAGE: http://userpages.aug.com/phoenix Article 13234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3598C108.BE73ECD1@leuko.biomed.cas.cz> <3598E62F.52443774@sympatico.ca> <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc> Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:46:32 -0400 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net Message-ID: <35a04942.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.pagesat.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-24.mcn.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13234 WOW! Where? Chip todd wrote in message <01bda506$5e78be00$878721a1@toddpc>... >I got one for $15 US. Article 13235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: waxmoth Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 02:32:28 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35A099AC.58A0@juno.com> References: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899728087 OCZ7E7JIA4FECCDD8C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: phoenix@aug.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newsfeed.yosemite.net!agate!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13235 can't say it's sure fire, but you can try the biocontrol "certan" (bacillus thurengensis),available from "beeworks" and maybe others...it's labor intensive but can be used directly on bees without harm, may just help turn the tide if you can reduce hive volume/increase population density by removing/freezing extra supers. good luck, and beeware the african small hive beetle mimicry of some wax moth damage symptoms! Article 13236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Missing bees Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998070615112100.LAA12299@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 15:11:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6nqna5$ohl$1@winter.news.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13236 seal the bee feeders with bees wax beeswax won't hurt the bees Article 13237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Missing bees Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:33:51 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6nqna5$ohl$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-129.s2.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 899735685 25141 207.172.170.129 (6 Jul 1998 14:34:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13237 I have two questions that perhaps someone can help me with. The first is-- a strong two brood chamber hive with no diseases suddenly left for no apparent reason. When I tor the hive down yesterday there were no stores, and no sign of disease. This hive had swarmed earlier in the year. Is it possible that they swarmed again and left nothing behind? The other four hives are all doing very well. Could it have been because there is too much competion from the other hives and they just decide to leave? My second question is-- I have some hive feeders that leak now after several seasons of use. Could I use a Dow silicone and let it cure well before using it? Or will this hurt the bees, it appears to be inert when cured. Thanks for any help, John Article 13238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Epi-Pen or Ana-Kit price Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998070617274600.NAA25961@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 17:27:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35a04942.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13238 I don't know where Chip got his, but I paid $15.95 for mine last one last year at a Bi Mart chain store (Northwest). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:57:06 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 57 Message-ID: <35A16451.B07C037A@valley.net> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-121.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270061 rec.gardens.edible:12766 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13239 Gary Cooper wrote: > On 3 Jul 1998, Julie R. Wise wrote: > > > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > > > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half > next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms > available. > > Gary what i found was that, in the three weeks of its existence, i got continuous blooming in the patch that i didn't mow, as well as new blooms in the rest of the lawn. maybe it was because of all the rain we've had in the past few weeks. maybe i just didn't leave it standing long enough to exhaust the bloom. whatever the reason, it was the best of both worlds. i finally had to mow the patch i had left standing this past weekend. unfortunately, the jungle started its inexorable encroachment into my entropically restricted domain. taller plants - daisies, raspberry bushes, even saplings - began sprouting with wild abandon. i actually felt sad mowing down my little ecological experiment. in the process i had to shoo a handful of beautiful wood frogs out of their bountiful hunting grounds. i think i shall repeat this experiment next year, clover willing. all in all, i felt a bit like one of the early ecologists, who studied their little corner of the universe in primitive isolation and then wrote a book about it for latter generations to take to heart. as i mowed the last of the clover asunder i thought, 'Should _I_ write a book about my environmentally enlightening experience, a book that will, perchance, instill a love of nature [especially bees] in others, leading them to a happier, healthier, simpler and more fulfilling existence?" then i shook my head, went inside, nuked some popcorn and watched a video. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:17:28 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.96.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13240 Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! From time to time, I am an onlooker to this newsgroup. Never kept bees, don't know if I can, but here's my problem: My daughter and family just got back from a trip to Scotland. My son visited her on their return. Today my son, who lives with us, returned home while I was gone, and went on to work. When I came home, I found a box of Heather Honeys in the refrigerator -- "A selection of Fine Handmade Chocolates with Scottish Heather Honey in Rich Chocolate Centers." Now, I KNOW those chocolates are for ME, but I won't be able to talk to my son until after 11 p.m. Shall I open the package, or shall I have to wait several hours for the actual confirmation that they are MINE, MINE, MINE? M NIchols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 13241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bmed137@aol.com (BMed137) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998070623343700.TAA11588@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jul 1998 23:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13241 My advice is to savor the anticipation and wait until your son can be contacted! Just think how you'd feel if you ate them all, just to find out they were for your son's boss? Anticipation, in my opinion, is the best part of a present. Then, when ownership is confirmed, dive into them with gusto! And shame on your son for putting you in such a sweet predicament! A note attached to said box would have avoided the problem. Article 13242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:34:00 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35A19728.54@kingston.net> References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.29.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gollum.kingston.net 899768669 13949 206.47.80.29 (6 Jul 1998 23:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1998 23:44:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13242 MNichols wrote: > > Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! > > From time to time, I am an onlooker to this newsgroup. Never kept bees, don't know if I > can, but here's my problem: My daughter and family just got back from a trip to > Scotland. My son visited her on their return. Today my son, who lives with us, returned > home while I was gone, and went on to work. When I came home, I found a box of Heather > Honeys in the refrigerator -- "A selection of Fine Handmade Chocolates with Scottish > Heather Honey in Rich Chocolate Centers." > > Now, I KNOW those chocolates are for ME, but I won't be able to talk to my son until > after 11 p.m. Shall I open the package, or shall I have to wait several hours for the > actual confirmation that they are MINE, MINE, MINE? > > M NIchols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Eat them and deny everything!!!!!! Article 13243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Failing Hive Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:52:16 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35A13900.5553@in.net> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91-91.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13243 We have a problem, we ordered a Buckfast package and it took off. We had to but a Honey supra on top because it was way overcrowded. That's the good news. Now for the problem. We also ordered a package of Itlaians. first we found no queen and No eegs after a week. We ordered a New queen. Once again we found no queen and a few larve that are hatching but no eggs. Any suggestions about what we should do at this point? We see no signs of deseases and what few bees there are are active little girls. They are bringing in Honey and pollen but there are no new ones. We feel we have several options but are asking for advice on what to do. Option one: Do nothing. (We don't like this option.) Option two: Buy a new queen and try to introduce another one. (This didn't work the last time) Option three: Put in a brood comb from the Buckfast hive and hope they make a new queen. My wife and I are having a disagreement on wether there is a laying worker. We are new at this so any help wopuld be appreciated! Tobi Article 13244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.221.240.3!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35A2143E.6FBDBB41@wave.home.com> From: "neil.carter" Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coating Extractor Interior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:29:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs568521-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:29:35 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13244 There were some articles on coating the interior of an extractor, which I failed to save. Can anyone help ? I want to make sure I have no contaminants. Article 13245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:00:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a1c1d2.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13245 MNichols wrote in message <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >Oh, gosh, have I got a problem! dilemma cut...... >MINE, MINE, MINE? They're chocolate. They've got Heather Honey. They're in YOUR fridge. What was the question? Oh, yes....EAT them....I would.... hth-- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) "668, the Neighbour of the Beast" Article 13246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <440-35A27153-11@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <438-35A26CE7-49@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQhg/sCHwT87JJzU5yoSLN3e3+0zwIVALq897xb/xPRdXqC4I151no7YtSb Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13246 This meeting was in Florida. Article 13247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Hive Beatle Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <438-35A26CE7-49@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAmj9m4kYhCYoZUD69zvrxDlYq4ucCFQCEfZBCdNhzjQ2tgwdPCkWen80rnA== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13247 Just returned from B-meeting about the Beatle. The quarnteen is still on for 30 more days . There seems to be no meens for control. The effects in some yards seem to be verry bad. As far as I could tell the beatle was idenified in June after 10's of 1000's of hives were shiped all over the U.S. The quarnteen can not last much longer we have to get to the next flow. If any ? I' try to answer . Article 13248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: seperating wax from honey? Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998070723160500.TAA10960@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jul 1998 23:16:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13248 The easiest way is to pour the honey through a sieve to get all the big chunks and bee parts out and then pour it through nylon pantie hose (a quilt ring and board with a slightly smaller hole that the ring will keep you from having to hold it for a long time) as a filter. This will give you clear clean sparkling honey that you will be real proud to share or sell. Oh, they pantie hose will S T R E A C H quite long when it's filled with honey, and if it is use hose, you shold wash it well first unles you really want a unique honey taste. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:02:57 -0700 From: stephen ball Reply-To: sball@saltspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: seperating wax from honey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.71 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.138.71 X-Trace: 7 Jul 1998 15:05:53 -0800, 204.244.138.71 Lines: 2 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!nntp1.crl.com!news.compuvar.com!204.244.138.71 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13249 Have just extracted but have lotsa wax in honey.Any easy method to seperate the two?Heat maybe. thanx stephen ball Article 13250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:28:57 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6nuei2$rgd@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6nrm1g$6qb@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.96.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13250 Not to prolong the suspense. YES, the chocolates were for me, but I didn't find out until morning. Well, I never eat chocolate in the morning, somehow I have this belief chocolate consumed early in the day is a shock to the system. (Now, honey in the morning -- that's a different matter, and probably very good for the system.) So, I desisted, and it wasn't until this afternoon, after spending the day in a court mediation program, trying to convince unreasonable folks to behave in a reasonable manner, that I came home and indulged in the first piece -- the Orange Parfait (orange pieces, fruit juice and Heather Honey in a smooth white chocolate). Thank you, Scottish beekeepers, every morsel was out of this world! M Nichols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 13251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Coating Extractor Interior Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1998070723103900.TAA10203@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Jul 1998 23:10:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A2143E.6FBDBB41@wave.home.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13251 I'm assuming that you are talking about a galvanized extractor and not a stainless steel unit (which would not need any coating), and that your extractor in not rusted too bad. The only reason to coat a galvanized extractor in reasonible condition is to meet some state's honey house regulations. If honey is STORED in galvanized equipment, there is a small chance that over an extended period, it could leach a little zinc into the honey. There is also the potential concern that most galvanized equipment was soldered with lead-based solder and this could also leach into honey over an extended period (some SS equipemnt has solder seams as well). The real reason is that they want to "draw a hard line" between old sub-standard honey houses and nice new ones. If you are not selling your honey through a retail distribution system, not storing honey in galvanized tanks, and your state regs don't threaten you with death if you don't coat your extractor - just clean it up and use it and all of your honey will be just fine for your own and family consumption. But if you decided that you need to coat it, just use a food-grade expoy paint (the paint lable will say if it is food-grade). Here in Oregon, they only make you coat the tank and not the cage or dirve unit (see above for the logic). A rusted old galvanized extractor can be salavaged with naval jelly treatments - just be real sure that you scrub out the final time with a very weak lye solution (be sure to wear protection and I don't mean a condom), and rinse, rinse, rinse. It might be a good idea to epoxy coat a extractor so treated, or just take the whole thing to a electro-plater and have it regalvanized. Somewhere on my web site is the basic requirements for honey houses in Oregon. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 8 Jul 1998 01:18:36 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bdaa1f$df3a7420$a9f135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-004-9.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8316 rec.gardens:270260 rec.gardens.edible:12858 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13252 sci.agriculture.fruit:2012 Jack Wesolowski wrote in article <359EC9E9.624F@freewwweb.com>... > You're lucky you still have bees. I haven't seen many bees since the > DDT days. I haven't seen any of those nice orange Italian bees in more > than 10 years. What I wouldn't give to hear a nice orange Italian bee > humming "O Sole Mia" while doing her pollination. > I thought I heard 'La Done e Mobile', but I could be mistaken! ;-) -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 8 Jul 1998 01:17:22 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bdaa1f$b329a180$a9f135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-004-9.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270262 rec.gardens.edible:12859 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13253 Gary Cooper wrote in article ... > > Maybe it would be optimal to mow half the clover this week, the other half > next week, and so on, so the bees always have some fresh clover blossoms > available. > > Gary Fortunately, what few neighbors we have also believe in feeding our bees (in the hopes of scoring a pint or two of honey). There is always clover available within flying range. We also discovered that they love our pickle & cucumber patch! I even saw one girl sniffing out the dill flowers, but she moved on. There's a wild mint that blooms in mid-summer that they appear to like even more than the clover, which is keeping them busy. As the summer wears on the couple of hundred acres of soy beans surrounding us will give them another crop to work! It's been a strange summer with heavy rains and then unusual heat, but there's enough variety to keep them going. We seem to have lost a queen in one hive (frame after frame covered with drone cells) but the other five are doing well. Which reminds me...is it too late to re-queen or should we wait until next spring? Thanks, -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Lines: 38 Message-ID: <1998070802432300.WAA12989@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Jul 1998 02:43:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdaa1f$b329a180$a9f135ce@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13254 From: "Julie R. Wise" >We also discovered that they love our pickle & cucumber patch! I'm probably belaboring a point, but cucurbits are highly attractive to honeybees, yet lots of folks seem to have the idea that, when they don't see honeybees, they need to find some magic flower to "attract" them. If they aren't on cucurbits, there simply aren't any honeybees around, and the only way to "attract" them is to attract a beekeeper, or keep bees. > We seem to have lost a queen in one hive (frame after >frame covered with drone cells) but the other five are doing well. >Which reminds me...is it too late to re-queen or should we wait until next >spring? If your queen is gone, or laying only drone eggs, you are about to lose the hive. Don't wait. Either combine them with one of the good hives, or give them a couple frames of brood, making sure they have some eggs from which to raise a queen, and some sealed brood (to have some young bees to care for the queen). It's not too late to requeen, but if you do that, you risk losing her, as most of the worker bees may now be old bees, too old to accept a queen. You can avoid the risk by letting them raise one from brood, or you can reduce the risk to a boughten queen by also giving the hive some brood, so you'll have more young bees for acceptance. For your good hives, late summer or early fall is an excellent time to requeen. Make sure they have a nectar flow going when you do it, and you'll have a high acceptance rate. Then you'll have her laying in time to give you lots of young bees for good wintering. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Failing Hive Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:54:08 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6nurun$6sq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35A13900.5553@in.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.81.179 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13255 Mary Ann Elmore wrote in message <35A13900.5553@in.net>... >snip >Now for the problem. We also ordered a package of Itlaians. first we >found no queen and No eegs after a week. We ordered a New queen. Once >again we found no queen and a few larve that are hatching but no eggs. How long have you waited? I have a very hard time seeing eggs and very young larva. Are you sure there is no queen? >snip >We feel we have several options but are asking for advice on what to do. > >Option one: Do nothing. (We don't like this option.) >Option two: Buy a new queen and try to introduce another one. (This >didn't work the last time) >Option three: Put in a brood comb from the Buckfast hive and hope they >make a new queen. If you have some nice swarm cells (Queen cells) in your Buckfast colony that show royal jelly in them indicating activity, I would go with option 3 this will cost you nothing, and the bees will work things out nicely. I have had bad luck trying to introduce queens, however the last time I did it I left the queen in her cage for five days before letting her out and it worked fine. Pete > >My wife and I are having a disagreement on wether there is a laying >worker. We are new at this so any help wopuld be appreciated! > >Tobi Article 13256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: seperating wax from honey? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:20:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6nuruo$6sq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.81.179 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13256 stephen ball wrote in message <35A29B10.36DF@saltspring.com>... >Have just extracted but have lotsa wax in honey.Any easy method to >seperate the two?Heat maybe. thanx stephen ball Sieve through a kitchen sieve then through a metal coffee filter. Leave the big stuff in the kitchen sieve to drain overnight. It is amassing what gravity will do over time. The remaining wax then can be melted in some water over in a double boiler, let it cool and the wash the residual honey off the bottom and clean off as much non-wax residue as is easy. Re-melt the wax and filter the hot wax through a paper coffee filter. I do this in the microwave. I put the wax in the filter then heat it. This can also be a good way to burn your fingers, use leather gloves and remember beeswax is flammable. This method assumes you are only doing a little at a time. Pete Article 13257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Lalo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small hive beetle Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 00:38:12 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35A321E4.593D@earthlink.net> Reply-To: drlalo@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip77.islip8.ny.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NSCP (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13257 The small hive beetle, Aethina tumida, is causing great problems in the US. If you have a problem with the beetle or can share information contact Randy Mercurio of the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH) at: rjm8361@.nyu.edu Your help is greatly needed. Thanks. Dr. Lalo Article 13258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:06:25 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a39093.358636@news.jps.net> References: <35A321E4.593D@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.8 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.8 Lines: 54 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13258 On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 00:38:12 -0700, "Dr. Lalo" wrote: >The small hive beetle, Aethina tumida, is causing great problems in the >US. I do not believe that this Afro-beetle is causing great harm in the US. For sure it has taken its place in our newspapers the last few days. Its distribution is limited at this time. There is no reason to believe that it will do more then be a collateral casualty of normal grater wax moth control and the need for new chemical research and registration is not needed, this alone would save an estimated $10,000,000.+ in costs according to the chemical industry that cry's loud about such things. This may be a good thing as this beetle pupates in the soil and any chemical control could in time not only kill the bees themselves but pollute the soil and water something we do not need to be associated with as bee keepers. Many believe that the wax worms actually contributes to the overall health of the honey bee populations by ingesting old disease ridden combs and limit the spread of bee diseases. In Africa this beetle is not a big deal, at least beekeepers seem to be prospering and fear more getting some disease from the rest of the world then their own resident pests. They even quarantine, (tax), world honey imports to protect their bees. I would assume conditions there are more suited for the Afro-beetle then most of the US and if they were the problem some would make it they would not be able to keep honey bees and would have no feral populations. In our US feral colonies which according to the same sources that are hyping this Afro-beetle, no long exists, so there can be no new pending natural disaster. There will be an interesting ecological battle if the Afro-beetle does meet the greater wax worm which is not particular what it ingests and also will render any abandoned bee hive unfit as a food source for the Afro-beetles. >If you have a problem with the beetle or can share information contact >Randy Mercurio of the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH) at: I hope the beekeepers do let you know, but it would also be nice if this information was shared both ways as if its all based only on one slick (AP) press release that has been picked up by every newspaper then we all need to step back and reassess our public agency's. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!not-for-mail From: Scott Eby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: syrup feeding Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:34:09 -0700 Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35A39F81.68478EE8@cdac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cdac.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13259 A friend and I just took-up beekeeping this spring with a package shipped from California. Due to the extremely wet spring, the queens did not get mated until late in the season. We received the bees at the beginning of May and got them established in the hive. Now to the question. It has become apparent that we have missed the major honey-flow for our region (western Washington). According to all that I have read, the bees will stop taking syrup when there is sufficient nectar to support the colony. They are still taking about a gallon and a half each week. I would expect a certain amount of consumption due to drawing out the comb in the two brood chambers, but am I going to be feeding them all summer? BTW, are there any beekeeping associations local to the greater Seattle area? Thanks, Scott Eby Novice Beekeeper Article 13260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!hird From: hird@fc.hp.com (Steve Hird) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keep losing queens Date: 8 Jul 1998 18:12:07 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6o0cpn$g4d@fcnews.fc.hp.com> References: <6n8top$sqs@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <6n96i6$3j@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> <17F8775BBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: hird-at-lvld.hp.com replace -at- with @ NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.10] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13260 She is already on her way to a new home with a bee keeper in OR; I hope she can survive all this handling. ... hird hird-at-lvld.hp.com Aaron Morris (SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu) wrote: : : In article <6ndj4h$d9s@fcnews.fc.hp.com> on : 1 Jul 1998 15:03:45 GMT you write: : : > ... If any one is : >interested in a Buck-Fast Queen nearly direct form Weavers, free : >(I will even ship her) let me know today. : : Well Steve, this is a very generous offer. If noone has already spoken up : I'd be happy to accept your offer. Send Express mail ans a SASE and I'll : even pay, free is too good to be true! : : Sincerely, : Aaron Morris : PO Box 246 : Round Lake, NY 12151-0246 : Article 13261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:59:46 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35A38962.6A@juno.com> References: <438-35A26CE7-49@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.152 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899922246 OCZ7E7JIA4F98CDD8C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: John Partin Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13261 went to the same meeting, heard some things different...although there is no known control in the hive yet, usda researchers say formic acid appears promising in early lab tests; for supers in storage, wax moth crystals (pdb:paradichlorobenzene) worked on beetles as well according to south african research; minimizing time before extracting full supers on bees and/or at honey house is crucial to keep infestation level/spread down as is rapidly rendering cappings for storage...all in all, not much hard data but enough for some hope of eventual controls; above all beekeepers must be alert to this new pest! the statewide movement moratorium continues for now, to be reviewed in a month after more survey and other monitoring info becomes available... beetle has been found in small numbers in three nearby counties so far. for more background and updates, check the "apis" newsletter on line at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apis.htm/apis98/apjul98.htm Article 13262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: waxmoth Date: 8 Jul 1998 20:00:47 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6o0j5f$gbf@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13262 A surefire method of "control" is to maintain strong colonies. Check this one carefully for anything that has reduced the colonies ability to defend itself. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Stanton A Hershman wrote in article <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com>... > anyone got a sure fire way to get the wax moth larvae out of a hive > > only one hive is being bothered and it is driving me nuts > > like having a guest in your home with unsavory habits and refuses to go > somewhere else > > best regards > > stanton > > > If the government has no knowledge of aliens, > then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of > Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, > make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any > contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles? > > If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts. > > WEBPAGE: http://userpages.aug.com/phoenix > > > Article 13263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <347-35A3D212-24@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35A38962.6A@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAgdSvzQVHfOn43GbVRMAbY8kp2zoCFQCPZ9YJBqJq+fyaMbcRTJ6APLKBTg== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13263 The beekeeper that seem to know the most about the beatle said that every hive in the county was infested. He also said that the URO bees could not or would not defend against the beatle as well as the Afro's do . This was one reason the damage was so bad. There are no legal meens of control in the hive. The most difficult place to kill them is in the ground. The easiest way you might control them is to move them. Tom I'm glad there are people out there that see the glass half full but I did not here from any one who spoke who was not very very concerned. Article 13264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.144.204.114!newsfeed.corridex.com!ameritech.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ameritech.net!nntp0.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Melters Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:30:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.25.131 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:30:43 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13264 I've heard quite a bit about these solar Wax Melters on the internet. I am wondering what advantages to they give you over a regular electric one. And where could I acquire plans for one. Thank you in advance -- Andy L. Kettlewell Email: Rungun305@Earthlink.net Article 13265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Ken Lawrence" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Date: 8 Jul 1998 23:41:48 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6o103s$abm@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.101.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13265 Hello Andy Check out this site. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Ken Andy Kettlewell wrote in article ... And > where could I acquire plans for one. Article 13266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queen system Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:51:51 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35A43E57.3989@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 27-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gollum.kingston.net 899942542 5658 205.210.52.27 (9 Jul 1998 00:02:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1998 00:02:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13266 Hi everyone, Is there anyone out there who has, or is currently, running hives with the two queen system? If so could you give me some feed back as to its success or failure and any pitfalls you encountered along the way. Thank You Kent Stienburg Article 13267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998070901082400.VAA01112@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jul 1998 01:08:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <347-35A3D212-24@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13267 I am curious as to what effect a barrier such as rubber roofing under the hives would have on the beetle being able to reach soil. Or some other mechanical barrier. Article 13268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Pages/update!! Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:46:09 -0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.54 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.54 Message-ID: <35a412ca.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13268 The following articles by George Imirie are listed below: New Varroa Treatment Schedule/what about the tracheal mite?/a foraging question.. All articles are located here:http//www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 13269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!oleane!dial.oleane.com!not-for-mail From: "BOSS" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I Sell 25 ha fruit in France SW Date: 9 Jul 1998 08:02:13 GMT Organization: Guest of OLEANE Message-ID: <01bdab0f$1474cce0$LocalHost@boss> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-3.tls.oleane.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13269 Cause retraite, vends 25 ha propriete arboricole -pommes kiwi- plein rendement sud ouest. Pas serieux s'abstenir. Prendre contact avec jcberard@planete.net -------------------------------------------------------------- I Sell 25 ha fruit in France SW - I you are int. Please write to jcberard@planete.net. Thank you ---------------------------------------------------------- Excuse me if it is not a just crosss post. Article 13270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:25:15 +0100 Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-10.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a46e73.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-10.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13270 Andy Kettlewell wrote in message ... >I've heard quite a bit about these solar Wax Melters on the internet. I am >wondering what advantages to they give you over a regular electric one. And >where could I acquire plans for one. > >Thank you in advance >-- >Andy L. Kettlewell >Email: Rungun305@Earthlink.net > > The main (and fairly obvious) advantage, is that sunlight is free, whereas eletricity..........There is little or no maintainance required, and it can be left to 'operate'unsupervised. I believe many poeple are very surprised at the amount of heat these things can generate! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. Article 13271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 04:15:01 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35A4A635.6E60@juno.com> References: <35A38962.6A@juno.com> <347-35A3D212-24@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.186 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 899995455 OCZ7E7JIA4FBACDD8C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: John Partin Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13271 john, i share your concern, but am not willing to accept some of the extreme views being expounded by those claiming either that only african bees can deal with them (evidently they can) so let's bring them in, or that there is no problem and this is just more media hype (see andy nachbaur's post on the other small hive beetle thread on this newsgroup)...yes there is a problem (seen it myself), no there is no proven control (just real possibilities), yes it's probably widespread but still mostly undetected (given economics- driven beekeeper migrations, quarantines are useless and counterproductive)... we need to deal with the fact it's here (forget eradication), denial won't work but neither will mass hysteria! Article 13272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: waxmoth Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 04:12:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35a442b0.15453422@news.pe.net> References: <35a20d18.1474489787@news.aug.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp41.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 899957377 3273 207.49.163.200 (9 Jul 1998 04:09:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1998 04:09:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13272 You need to keep the colony strong, as George said, and you can also help it along by using your hive tool to dig out and destroy any spot in the frame where there is any indication of the wax moth. >anyone got a sure fire way to get the wax moth larvae out of a hive > >only one hive is being bothered and it is driving me nuts > >like having a guest in your home with unsavory habits and refuses to go >somewhere else > >best regards > >stanton > > >If the government has no knowledge of aliens, >then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of >Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, >make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any >contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles? > >If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts. > >WEBPAGE: http://userpages.aug.com/phoenix > > Article 13273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:45:43 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af078.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13273 I am having a certain amount of difficulty locating a supplier of honey jars in my area. Has anyone any ideas? I live half way between Grantham and Melton Mowbray on the border of between Leicestershire and Linclonshire. TIA Nick Article 13274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Best honey crop ever!! Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:50:15 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af078.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13274 I am having the most wonderful season. Three weeks ago I took 60lb off two colonies that I had brought through the winter. Last sunday I took another 120lb from the same two colonies plus a swarm that I took in mid May. This is certainly a record for me. I went to look at the hives this evening and there is still a good flow with lots of wokr being done. I am trying cut comb for the first time and I hope that it will be successful. By the way, how much should I be charging for a jar of honey these days, and what about the cut comb? Nick Article 13275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: syrup feeding Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 04:32:01 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35a443dd.15754953@news.pe.net> References: <35A39F81.68478EE8@cdac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp41.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 899958570 4094 207.49.163.200 (9 Jul 1998 04:29:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1998 04:29:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13275 It sounds like you are doing fine so far, Scott, congratulations. My bees here in Southern California delayed their heavy work for over a month or more because of the fine wet weather. We got about 27 inches of rain here this rainy season compared to an average of about 12. My bees in my two top bar hives are really doing heavy lifting right now, it is great! It is my opinion that you could and should stop feeding your bees now. My new top bar hive did fine this year after giving them only about 1 gallon of sugar solution. It was in a gallon plastic container with little holes in it for the solution to seep out. Have you checked the frames to see how the accumulation of products of the hive is coming along? >Now to the question. It has become apparent that we have missed the >major honey-flow for our region (western Washington). According to all >that I have read, the bees will stop taking syrup when there is >sufficient nectar to support the colony. They are still taking about a >gallon and a half each week. Article 13276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding Bees in Washtenaw County, Michigan Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:54:46 -0400 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p34.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <35a50356.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p34.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13276 We have begun feeding our bees again, after nearly a month of not feeding them, a 1:1 sugar syrup. There is no honey in our upper super, and we did take someone's advice to just read a book and relax. But, I have to admit, we are getting antsy, so thought feeding them for a couple of weeks to see if that helps them would not hurt. Any thoughts and comments, or should we just forget of harvesting our first honey this year? Thanks for all you advice and help. We really have appreciated the input! Mark Article 13277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working sweet corn...? Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1998071000353600.UAA27790@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 00:35:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13277 From: toto627@aol.com (Toto627) << During a stroll through our garden this afternoon we found our honey bees working the tassels on the sweet corn. They are gathering quite a lot of pollen from it. We wonder if they might be gathering nector as well? We have been unable to determine if sweet corn produces nector via the normal web searchs. Anyone have any idea? This makes one wonder about field corn as well. If it does it would be a fine source for making some late summer splits after the main flow. We can be reached at Toto627@aol.com>> Bees will work both sweet corn and field corn, especially if other flowers are sparse in the area. It is pollen, not nectar, they seek. Corn pollen is very poor nutrition-wise. When bees get into commercial sweet corn fields, they sometimes get poisoned by contaminated pollen. It is a label violation to use a non residual insecticide during the hours bees work, and to use a residual one, like Sevin or Penncap M, if bees will forage during the residual life. But the labels are often ignored, enforcement is lax, and beekeepers don't know the law. In the sweet corn belts of Michigan and New York, poisoning is often aggravated on late corn by blooming goldenrod, which is much more attractive to bee than corn, and often grows in the margins which are contaminated by aerial applications. I would not recommend corn pollen for splits. But goldenrod is excellent quality. Of course late splits may have to be wintered over a strong hive for heat conservation, and fed a lot. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998070915573100.LAA17332@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Jul 1998 15:57:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13278 Just posted a set of plans and instructions for building a solar melter at http://members.aol.com/beetools Check it out. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Feeding Bees in Washtenaw County, Michigan References: <35a50356.0@news.ic.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:06:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.34 Message-ID: <35a569da.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 22 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13279 In article <35a50356.0@news.ic.net>, "Owners" wrote: >We have begun feeding our bees again, after nearly a month of not feeding >them, a 1:1 sugar syrup. There is no honey in our upper super, and we did >take someone's advice to just read a book and relax. > >But, I have to admit, we are getting antsy, so thought feeding them for a >couple of weeks to see if that helps them would not hurt. > >Any thoughts and comments, or should we just forget of harvesting our first >honey this year? > >Thanks for all you advice and help. We really have appreciated the input! > >Mark > > I'm in Indiana and I am holding out hope that I may get SOMETHING this year. the very early flow caught me by surprise and until lately the weather seems to have been dead set against bees. :( Looks like Argentina and Mexico will be cleaning our clocks again. Article 13280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working sweet corn...? Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:17:06 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a6633f.19098748@news.jps.net> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.49 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.49 Lines: 61 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.49 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13280 On 10 Jul 1998 00:09:20 GMT, toto627@aol.com (Toto627) wrote: > During a stroll through our garden this afternoon we found our honey bees >working the tassels on the sweet corn. They are gathering quite a lot of pollen >from it. Hi Toto from Sunflower land, Bees do gather a lot of pollen from corn, maze, rice and other grasses. These pollens are better then no pollen and can/will be used to rear brood. They do a lot better on a mixture and as a rule spring pollens are better then the rest of the year. (All bee rules are subject to judgement of the bee holder.) Corn pollen is very interesting as it can be very greasy and tastes like corn oil. The bees have a hard time in flight with it and it will fall like rain if they are disturbed, like parking a truck in the bee yard. Many times they come in with a half loaf and almost themselves seem to fall out of the air trying to land. The pollen is so sticky that many times they will rip off flower parts of the corn plant and this will be found discarded on the bottom board or in front of the hive. (Sometimes looks like wire worms, but it ain't.) Corn plants have no nectaries that are attractive to bees BUT in some areas with some varieties, much like sugar cane, the bees will gather the sap when the plant is cut in harvest and occasionally honeydew from aphids on the corn. > We wonder if they might be gathering nector as well? We have been >unable to determine if sweet corn produces nector via the normal web searchs. The danger with corn is from insecticides and the fact bees will work it for pollen as it can produce many pounds per acre and even can be mechanically harvested but seldom is as there is no market. >Anyone have any idea? This makes one wonder about field corn as well. If it >does it would be a fine source for making some late summer splits after the >main flow. We can be reached at Toto627@aol.com Yes field corn and fresh market corn along with rice and many of the grasses are pollen producers. Yes you can make divides and thousands are made each year with corn or grass pollens being the main source of pollen, but from experience if you have any thing else it would be better to move to it or maybe you will only have to wait a few weeks for an additional source of pollen and it would make no difference but for sure the Corn pollens are not necessary the ideal for rearing bees but work when nothing else is available. >Prairie Star Apiaries >NW Kansas USA What no sunflowers for pollen? ttul, the OLd Drone drop by his hive is at http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toto627@aol.com (Toto627) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees working sweet corn...? Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 00:09:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13281 Greetings~ During a stroll through our garden this afternoon we found our honey bees working the tassels on the sweet corn. They are gathering quite a lot of pollen from it. We wonder if they might be gathering nector as well? We have been unable to determine if sweet corn produces nector via the normal web searchs. Anyone have any idea? This makes one wonder about field corn as well. If it does it would be a fine source for making some late summer splits after the main flow. We can be reached at Toto627@aol.com Prairie Star Apiaries NW Kansas USA Article 13282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best honey crop ever!! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998071001291700.VAA06562@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 01:29:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071000390200.UAA24279@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13282 I have been getting 5 a pint in a mason or a squeeze 8 a qt in masons and 15 a half gallon in a mason.. If I live to be 150 and don't charge for labor I may break even. But then this is a hobby. Do not let the good harvest blind you to varroa- it is still here. Pay close attention to drones between the supers. I will be shutting down half of my 30 colonies for apistan in 2 or 3 weeks- they were treated spring and fall and are showing some mites now. Tom in CT Article 13283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best honey crop ever!! Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998071000390200.UAA24279@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 00:39:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13283 Newsgroups: <> We get US $3.25 for pints, $6 for quarts, $5 for pints with cut comb included. We are probably on the low side. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.131.160.208!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: srb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Want to learn Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:42:41 -0700 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35A4F301.9AD@nr.infi.net> Reply-To: strabo67@nr.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-150.gso.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SurferKit (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13284 Does anyone know of a "school" or some type of training that I can take to learn to keep bees? I live in Greensboro, NC and have always wanted to keep bees for pollination and for honey, but I don't want to get bees and not be able to care for them properly. Any help would be appreciated. Book recommendations on the subject would also be appreciated. Thanks. Article 13285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: syrup feeding Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:06:49 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6o40ci$m7f@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35A39F81.68478EE8@cdac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.222 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13285 Scott Sounds like your bees are beeing (spell checker doesn't like this spelling) a little lazy. My bees are bringing in honey like mad. Black berries are the main flow here and we are in it. You can take the feeder off. We have knot weed to look forward to. It makes nice dark honey. Northwest Regional Beekeepers Association, Meets at the "The Beez Neez Apiary Supply in Snohomish. Jean Basset is the store owner and President of NWRBA. 360 568-2191. There is another group that meets at the Montlake NOAA facility, but I don't now their number. If you have other local questions or want to chat e-mail me. Pete Scott Eby wrote in message <35A39F81.68478EE8@cdac.com>... >A friend and I just took-up beekeeping this spring with a package >shipped from California. Due to the extremely wet spring, the queens >did not get mated until late in the season. We received the bees at the >beginning of May and got them established in the hive. > >Now to the question. It has become apparent that we have missed the >major honey-flow for our region (western Washington). According to all >that I have read, the bees will stop taking syrup when there is >sufficient nectar to support the colony. They are still taking about a >gallon and a half each week. I would expect a certain amount of >consumption due to drawing out the comb in the two brood chambers, but >am I going to be feeding them all summer? > >BTW, are there any beekeeping associations local to the greater Seattle >area? > >Thanks, >Scott Eby >Novice Beekeeper Article 13286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee 'messages' Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:37:39 +0100 Lines: 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-108.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a472c9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-108.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13286 Can anybody suggest a solvent, or similar to remove bee excrement from clothing, instantly, and without damaging the material? Just in case my neighbours find their washing covered in yellow spots, I figured it would be good PR if I had the 'solution' to hand. I could experiment, but am loth to try unknown/untested solvents on my own apparel! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. Article 13287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bmed137@aol.com (BMed137) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to learn Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998071004162000.AAA04162@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 04:16:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A4F301.9AD@nr.infi.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13287 >Does anyone know of a "school" or some type of training that I can take >to learn to keep bees? Do you live near a university/college that has agricultural courses? They often have a course about bees. If you can't manage the class, talk to the professor, he probably has info on the local beekeeping assn > Book recommendations on the subject would also be appreciated. I apologize for lack of total info, my books are shelved upstairs and I am working from memory. I have read and appreciated a beekeeping book by Morse (author right, can't remember exact title) and there is a new edition of "The Beekeepers Handbook by Sammartaro (spelling?) and Avitibile that seems quite comprehensive. Check local libraries and see what appeals to you. Check Yahoo for beekeeping sites. I just missed the time this spring to start a hive and have dedicated this year to reading all I can. Also, my local university (Univ. of Delaware) has an Entomology Dept. that I bother all the time! Good luck to you! Article 13288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: dogstar2@ix.netcom.com(brett lothrop) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: 10 Jul 1998 05:04:17 GMT Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tac-wa9-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 10 12:04:17 AM CDT 1998 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270754 rec.collecting.sport:390 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13288 Hello, Underneath my picture window is a floor box with flowers growing. To my surprise I notice that there were bees flying off it. Today I managed to catch and kill one that flew into the house. It has five yellow bands on the abdomen. The whole nest itself is underground. It seems that the egg larve just hatched recently because there wasn't any bee activity a few weeks ago. The bee I caught wasn't very big. I'd like to know what kind of bees are living with us. I'd rather not go through with kiling them off if I don't have to. Still, we have a couple of kids...So far the bees have been quite peaceful and go about their business. A few years earlier we had a simular situation, and choose to just live with it. These were bees that nested high in a tree. Anyway, I think I've give you all the info you could need. Any idea what I can expect from these bees? Thank-you Brett Lothrop Tacoma, Washington. Article 13289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ratty bees Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:08:31 +0100 Lines: 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-80.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a5f7bb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-80.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13289 A new nucleus, which has only been in the hive for 2 days. Advice was to give a restricted entrance, making it easier for them to guard. Every time I approached within 6 feet or so, I was dive-bombed, and have been stung three times! So last night I opened the entrance up (actually turned the floor over) to allow a wide, but only 3/8" high, entrance, and they have calmed down, and now completely ignore me. They seem quite content. It's the little details........... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. Article 13290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sseely@aol.com (SSeely) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inner Cover ? Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 13:01:23 GMT References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13290 Stupid question. I have often wondered how the inner cover is suppose to be placed on the hive. Shallow or deep side down ? What season ? Why ? I've been keeping bees for quite some time here in PA as a hobby and this has bugged the heck out of me for some time now. Article 13291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:06:32 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <35A611D8.2407@islandnet.com> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> <359CC019.4A54DF07@durham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13291 Alan Craig wrote: > > Dr C.J. Browning wrote: > > > > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > > Two > > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > > What's more, the lost > > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. > > I recently had to move mine a short distance (about 10 yards), > the easiest way to do this is to move them 3 miles away and > then, about a week later, move them back. Instead of a board, try using a window pane. This creates enough confusion, I assume, for most of the bees to re-orient themselves. A bee will have a much harder time then a fly to accept that there is something in the way. It has worked for me, although there will always be a few that cannot be convinced. If you can keep a hive at the old location to accept these there will not be a problem at all. If not, I found that after 2 days there will not be any bees left at the old site. -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, RR 3, Duncan, BC, V9L 2X1 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html Article 13292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Date: 9 Jul 1998 19:26:21 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6o35gt$ck3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35a46e73.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.242 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13292 > The main (and fairly obvious) advantage, is that sunlight is free, > whereas eletricity..........There is little or no maintainance required, > and it can be left to 'operate'unsupervised. I believe many poeple are > very surprised at the amount of heat these things can generate! > -- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) > www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) > Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. > > Amen to that. I built one a couple of weeks ago and the burn on my hand is still healing. Another advantage is that the sun bleaches the wax. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 13293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:05:09 +0100 Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-44.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a50659.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-44.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13293 Nick Cooke wrote in message ... >I am having a certain amount of difficulty locating a supplier of honey jars >in my area. Has anyone any ideas? > >I live half way between Grantham and Melton Mowbray on the border of between >Leicestershire and Linclonshire. > >TIA > >Nick > E.H.Thornes of Wragby, nr. Lincoln. Beehive Works, Wragby, Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, LN8 5LA Tel. 01673 858555 Fax. 01673 857004 E-mail: thorne@dial.pipex.com www.thorne.co.uk They are good, and quick. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. Article 13294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best honey crop ever!! Date: 10 Jul 1998 13:05:46 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bdac03$d5a3c0c0$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13294 Nick Cooke wrote in article ... > I am having the most wonderful season. > > Three weeks ago I took 60lb off two colonies that I had brought through the > winter. Last sunday I took another 120lb from the same two colonies plus a > swarm that I took in mid May. This is certainly a record for me. Now I know why you were asking about honey jars. Might be a good idea to contact your local beekeing association, unless you already have(?), often a member acts as an agent for suppliers, you get faster delivery and you don't pay postage. LEICESTERSHIRE & RUTLAND F.B. Cramp, 2 Woodland Drive, Groby, Leicester LE6 0BQ 0116 287 6879 LINCOLNSHIRE Mrs. A. Holderness, 15 Holdingham, Sleaford, Lincs NG34 8NR 01529 302774 BBKA home page is worth a visit too at http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm > that it will be successful. By the way, how much should I be charging for a > jar of honey these days, and what about the cut comb? Here in Devon our association's guide prices are £2.00 a pound or £1.20 for 8 ounces, I mean 454g and 227g of course! I charge £2.10 pound £3.90 2 x 1 pond and £1.25 8 ounces. Recommended price for cut comb is £2.50 for 8 ounces. Article 13295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to learn Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:33:27 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998071016332775982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <35A4F301.9AD@nr.infi.net> <1998071004162000.AAA04162@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13295 The message <1998071004162000.AAA04162@ladder03.news.aol.com> from bmed137@aol.com (BMed137) contains these words: > I have read and appreciated a beekeeping book by Morse > (author right, can't remember exact title) `The Complete Guide to Beekeeping' by Roger A. Morse. Published by Pelham Books Ltd., 52 Bedford Square, London, tel: 0171-637 0941. ISBN No. 0 7207 0913 HTH. Phil. Article 13296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998071014443800.KAA12751@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 14:44:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13296 Look at bee space -if there is 3/8 or better between the top of the frames and the cover during a flow you will get comb there. Article 13297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mouse guards Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998071014465400.KAA12960@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 14:46:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13297 Whats the reccomended mesh size for mouse guards? and what is the largest you can get away with? Article 13298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beatle Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <2996-35A4B9A8-1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998070901082400.VAA01112@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRRzhpTkJeKqJJAr8WBkS8pXb04CgIUfkZqO9cMKxvWPb+3rWqTjyjnkNE= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13298 This was discussed at the meeting . The larva can move a long distance over night. It would take a very large peace. Article 13299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "bhrh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lots of bees Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:31:55 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bdac30$d5ec9020$8276accf@wbarry.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-118-130.s130.tnt13.brd.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 900095515 19787 207.172.118.130 (10 Jul 1998 18:31:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13299 I am a begginer beekeeper and my hive is over crowded it seems... the bees seem to prefer to hang outside the hive rather than inside... they have already filled one super with honey..... Thier hive consist of ...two hive bodies and one honey super...... my question is should i add an additional hive body or just add additional honey supers... email bhrh@erols.com thanks.......:-) Article 13300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pierco Frames Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:44:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6o5qva$4j9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 10 19:44:42 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13300 Looking for hints,ideas,experiences on using Pierco Plastic Wax-coated frames. in the Hive Bodies. this year i agreed to manage eight new colonies for a friend but told him I wouldn't have time to prepare 90+ Deep frames to start them. so he purchsed the Pierco deep waxed. I followed manufacturers advice and dipped them all in a thick sugar/water mix. they are drawing the combs but it seems slowly. Also I've been feeding using a 1:1 mix water/sugar and internal feeders.(takes the place of one frame. and the wax development starts from the feeder and works backward from there. currently the strongest have about 2-3 frames left which are mostly untouched. should I swap sides with the feeder? or perhaps split the brood nest and insert the unfinished frames in the center? Incidentally the hives are very strong from a number standpoint we started with 5frames nukes in each and when i lift off the outer cover the inner cover is quite loaded with bees. yet they still have work to do. Also they are two deep hive bodies each the bottom being 5 wood/wax(the nuke part) and 5 plastic. the second stories are 9frames of plastic plus 1feeder. any thoughts? from a plastic beginner, Mike in Vermont -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lots of bees Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:51:02 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35A67EB5.4B14CA40@earthlink.net> References: <01bdac30$d5ec9020$8276accf@wbarry.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust212.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: bhrh Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13301 As long as there is a honey flow, keep adding supers in it is honey you want. I would only add a hive body if I wanted them to pull foundation. My opinion only. Don Article 13302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to learn Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:44:41 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35A67D39.2CA76993@earthlink.net> References: <35A4F301.9AD@nr.infi.net> <1998071004162000.AAA04162@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998071016332775982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust212.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: Philip Roger Gurr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13302 Another is John S. Wood, High Point @910-883-4409. Good Luck, Don in Rocky Mount, NC Article 13303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to learn Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998071020230500.QAA15185@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:23:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35A4F301.9AD@nr.infi.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13303 >Greensboro, NC and have a >w of a "school" or hey guy you're in luck, the nc beekeepers convention is in raleigh 6,7,8 august. great place to get all the info you want and they even teach the short course for beginners. also there is usually a full corse in the fall taught by the guys at state college. plus there is a full entomology program at nc state, so you're in one of the best places around to learn the ways of the buzz feel free to mail me for the full info on the convention if you want to go, too busy rite this min to type it kevin johnson Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pierco Frames Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:38:52 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6o5u53$th@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <6o5qva$4j9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn13-46.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 10 1:38:59 PM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13304 >Looking for hints,ideas,experiences on using Pierco Plastic Wax-coated >frames. in the Hive Bodies. this year i agreed to manage eight new colonies >for a friend but told him I wouldn't have time to prepare 90+ Deep frames to >start them. so he purchsed the Pierco deep waxed. I followed manufacturers >advice and dipped them all in a thick sugar/water mix. they are drawing the >combs but it seems slowly. Also I've been feeding using a 1:1 mix water/sugar >and internal feeders.(takes the place of one frame. and the wax development >starts from the feeder and works backward from there. currently the strongest >have about 2-3 frames left which are mostly untouched. should I swap sides >with the feeder? or perhaps split the brood nest and insert the unfinished >frames in the center? Incidentally the hives are very strong from a number >standpoint we started with 5frames nukes in each and when i lift off the >outer cover the inner cover is quite loaded with bees. yet they still have >work to do. Also they are two deep hive bodies each the bottom being 5 >wood/wax(the nuke part) and 5 plastic. the second stories are 9frames of >plastic plus 1feeder. any thoughts? from a plastic beginner, Mike in Vermont I wouldnt do any thing. It sounds like the nector flow is just slow. Keep feeding them. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:37:21 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35A6B3BF.52E4@Birkey.com> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.209 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:270969 rec.collecting.sport:391 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13305 brett lothrop wrote: > I'd like to know what kind of bees are living with us. Take a look and see. http://www.longpestcontrol.com/ http://www.msue.msu.edu/msue/imp/modc1/82694007.html -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA -------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 13306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drone excluders and Varoa? Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:04:14 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6o6a7r$726c$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-01.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 11 Jul 1998 00:05:15 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/05de41b338320eee X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13306 I know how effective a drone excluder on the front of a hive can be to capture drones. I wonder if this method would cut down on the Varoa population in a hive and reduce the transmission of Varoa from hive to hive. Has there been any experimental work done in this particular area? Thanks. Joe Article 13307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ratty bees Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:56:45 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <35A6C65D.EF1880E7@valley.net> References: <35a5f7bb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-116.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13307 JAF wrote: > A new nucleus, which has only been in the hive for 2 days. Advice was > to give a restricted entrance, making it easier for them to guard. > Every time I approached within 6 feet or so, I was dive-bombed, and have > been stung three times! So last night I opened the entrance up > (actually turned the floor over) to allow a wide, but only 3/8" high, > entrance, and they have calmed down, and now completely ignore me. They > seem quite content. > It's the little details........... > -- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk (edit spamtrap, to reply) > www.jaf.nildram.co.uk Currently: Edale photos (c.30) > Difficile est longum subito deponere amorem. greetings, it might also be that they are finally settling in to their new home and, so, calming down. when i introduced a new package of italians this spring they were VERY testy for about the first week. chased me and my dog all the way across the yard, something that had never happened to me before. now, i can stand right in front of the hives, and they ignore me. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: db1029@aol.com (DB1029) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I will take your pests Message-ID: <1998071104094700.AAA21000@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1998 04:09:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13308 I keep lizards as pets and they eat wax moth larvea. I have heard that they live in the bees honey comb if thats right(don't know too much about bees). If you have a large amount(not too large) I will take them off your hands.Thanks. Dan(DB1029@aol.com) P.S. I won't be on this message group so if possible send reply's via e-mail.Thanks Article 13309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998071015251300.LAA16824@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:25:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13309 Sounds like you just kill a Yellowjacket and not a honeybee. Most races of yellowjackets are ground dwelling and do collect nectar early on in the year and shift over to "meat" (bugs, picnic tables stuff you and me, etc) when they start raising virgin queen and drones in mid-summer. The quick way to tell yellowjackets from honey bee is that honeybees are hairy. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.smart1.net!not-for-mail From: Jack Wesolowski Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:14:17 -0400 Organization: Smart Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35A75719.3E9E@freewwweb.com> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: wesolowski@freewwweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-16.max-1.bal.smartworld.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) To: brett lothrop Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271033 rec.collecting.sport:392 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13310 brett lothrop wrote: > Underneath my picture window is a floor box with > flowers growing. To my surprise I notice that there > were bees flying off it. > Today I managed to catch and kill one that flew into > the house. It has five yellow bands on the abdomen. > The whole nest itself is underground. . . Based on your description of the "bees" and underground nest, I'd guess they are yellowjacket wasps. Last year, they made a nest inside the house between the cedar siding and drywall. For some reason, when they changed from larva to adults, many couldn't find their way through the opening to the outside, so they came in the house. They headed straight for windows, trying to get out. For six weeks we killed anywhere from 20 to 100 per day with fly swatters as they were crawling on the windows. (Some nests yield 10,000 adults.) We called a professional exterminator who first sprayed then applied dust to the outside entrance. This didn't work. It was six weeks of hell. You could hear this enormous buzzing behind the dry wall. Finally, the exterminator drilled holes into the dry wall and applied both spray and dust. This solved the problem. Jack Article 13311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone excluders and Varoa? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:37:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a77e9f.690165@news.jps.net> References: <6o6a7r$726c$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.42 Lines: 54 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13311 On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:04:14 -0500, "Zadigvolta" wrote: > I know how effective a drone excluder on the front of a hive can be to >capture drones. I wonder if this method would cut down on the Varoa >population in a hive and reduce the transmission of Varoa from hive to hive. >Has there been any experimental work done in this particular area? Thanks. Drone traps, queen excluders covering the hive entrance, and bottom pollen traps can be 100% effective in holding drones in the hive. The drones will in time die and fill up the space between the bottom and the frames but will continue to rear more to replace them. Removing all the drone's and destroying all the drone brood will only temporally reduce the drone populations as the bees will rear more even if they have to do it in worker comb. (Food conditions have to be good for bees to rear drones in large numbers which makes drones very valuable as test subjects for bee diets.) I don't think anyone knows what part the long term reduction or increase of drones have on the Varroa populations it may well be because of reducing the drone brood the Varroa move earlier onto the worker brood. I do believe the removal of trapped drone brood could be a useful tool in reducing mite numbers. One thing is for sure drones do drift from hive to hive and do it from apiary to apiary and may well be the principal method of spreading these vampire mites from hive to hive and apiary to apiary to apiary. Under management conditions that are far from natural I have held drones in hives for months with populations to tens of thousands. When I released them they took off in mass and pored out of the hives and into the air like a dark cloud same as a swarm taking wing. Interesting part of all this is that they did not return in any great numbers to the same hive they leave. Some hive or many hives may have received them. I also sprayed them white and yellow at different times to see if I could recover them in other hives and I was able to recover them in small numbers. The surprise was that the closer the hive to the original hive the fewer the drones recovered. I do not know how far they do go or what numbers of them would be recovered at what distance but for sure they do not come back to their original home in the un-natural conditions I set up. I do suspect the bulk of them keep going until they run out of fuel and just crash without finding another hive or queen to mate with. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com Give yourself a break and visit our hive today. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: Zadigvolta@prodigy.net (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone excluders and Varoa? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:11:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35a79b6f.7724391@news.prodigy.net> References: <6o6a7r$726c$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <35a77e9f.690165@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb309-26.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 11 Jul 1998 16:12:54 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/2a5bc2d0a34d5a56 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13312 I previously meant the type of drone trap that catches the drones at the very entrance of the hive. One can clean the trap periodically but it keeps the drones from being trapped within the hive. I mention this method because European beekeepers are successfully controling Varoa by using a drone comb frame and cleaning it of its brood and replacing it. It is rather effective and eliminates the use of chemicals. They must use 2 hives for the method to be really successful. I just wonder that if we were to eliminate most drones from the hive, we might effectively reduce markedly the varoa population and not lose the drone comb frame use as far as worker population increase is concerned. Joe Zadigvolta@prodigy.net Article 13313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: Zadigvolta@prodigy.net (Zadigvolta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do ext. drone traps reduce Varoa? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:20:43 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35a79d92.8271565@news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb309-26.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 11 Jul 1998 16:21:42 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/24444884a43f4e2b X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13313 European beekeepers are successfully using one drone comb frame cleaned periodically from their hives to reduce markedly the varoa population of their hives. The method requires 2 hives. Could it be that by using an exterior drone trap, (the same one used to prevent a queen from leaving with a swarm,) and emptying it once a week, we could reduce the varoa population to the point where we would not need Apistan, oil, etc.? Has any experimentation been done in this area? Thanks. Article 13314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I will take your pests Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:56:55 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a886f8.2827518@news.jps.net> References: <1998071104094700.AAA21000@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.42 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.42 Lines: 41 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.42 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13314 On 11 Jul 1998 04:09:47 GMT, db1029@aol.com (DB1029) wrote: >I keep lizards as pets and they eat wax moth larvea. I have heard that they >live in the bees honey comb if thats right(don't know too much about bees). If >you have a large amount(not too large) I will take them off your hands.Thanks. Lizards or wax worms? In the west we do have lots of lizards that can be found around bee hives. They normally are not found in the hive and for the most part are harmless to the bees themselves. My finest hour with lizards was as a boy moving a full load of 12 hives on my model A flat bed pick up. (Ranch Wagon model) Everything went well and I was on my way to the new location and all of a sudden I started getting chills going up and down my spine, you know like someone was watching me. I looked in the side view mirror and just about ran off the road when looking back at me was this mesmerizing pair of beady eyes looking at back at me. I was sure it was the biggest rattlesnake ever and I was a goner. I pulled off the road and sure enough I had loaded one of our local lizards with the bees. We kids called this a alligator lizards because they were very long compared to most other lizards around here. This one was 16 inches long, the width of a bee hive, and looked much bigger in the mirror. It was hanging off the load catching the breeze like a farm dog as I sped down the highway at a mind boggling 35 miles per hour max downhill speed. I tossed him off the truck when I unloaded the bees and never saw him again, he may still be walking back to his costal home 45 years later as it was about a 80 mile trip. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!news From: Andrew Dudinsky Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:23:35 -0400 Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35A79187.614B@ford.com> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wa0086.pto.ford.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271121 rec.collecting.sport:393 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13315 Had a friend who had yellow jackets build a nest in his window. He attached his shop vac near the entrance of the nest, and left it run for most of the day. As they came out to do what ever they do,... they got sucked into the vacume. (He put some water with alittle glycerine in the shop vac to help drown them,.. buts its not needed.) After about 3-4 days all the yellow jackets were gone. There was some larva etc left,.. but he was able to walk up and spray inside the nest with no bother. I believe he used diazanon (forgive my sp). Andrew Article 13316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial02.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do ext. drone traps reduce Varoa? Date: 11 Jul 98 21:17:56 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bdad11$6c4bd400$c380a19d@default> References: <35a79d92.8271565@news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13316 Zadigvolta schrieb im Beitrag <35a79d92.8271565@news.prodigy.net>... > European beekeepers are successfully using one drone comb frame > cleaned periodically from their hives to reduce markedly the varoa > population of their hives. The method requires 2 hives. Could it > be that by using an exterior drone trap, (the same one used to prevent > a queen from leaving with a swarm,) and emptying it once a week, No, this wouldn't help much in reducing the varroa population in the hive since only a small number of adult varroas would be eliminated, leaving all the varroa nymphae in the capped brood cells to develop and hatch! The concept of periodically removing and destroying capped drone brood is based on the known preference of varroa to lay their eggs on drone brood.In this way, and as part of an 'integrated' (i.e., free of akarizide) anti-varroa strategy, the population curve of varroa in the hive can be kept below critical levels during the period of rapid multiplication. Pulling out a number of drone nymphae from capped cells and inspecting them for varroa is at the same time a convenient diagnostic method for estimating the level of varroa infection in any hive. Cheers (from Europe), francis Article 13317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!usenet From: karl@ksme.net (Karl S. Erbland) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:46:41 -0400 Organization: KSME/Business Groups Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <35A75719.3E9E@freewwweb.com> X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271168 rec.collecting.sport:394 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13317 In article <35A75719.3E9E@freewwweb.com>, wesolowski@freewwweb.com says... > Based on your description of the "bees" and underground nest, I'd guess > they are yellowjacket wasps. Last year, they made a nest inside the > house between the cedar siding and drywall This happens very often. > They headed straight for windows, trying to get out. For six weeks we > killed anywhere from 20 to 100 per day with fly swatters as they were > crawling on the windows. That is one way to get them. > We called a professional exterminator who first sprayed then applied > dust to the outside entrance. This didn't work. It was six weeks of > hell. You could hear this enormous buzzing behind the dry wall. Normally the exterminator should apply only a dust in the necessary places. The critters may buzz for a short while but not very long. It depends what dust the PCO will use. The wrong one and the critters go nuts but they do eventually die. Use the "correct" dust and they will soon be gone and be quiet about it. > Finally, the exterminator drilled holes into the dry wall and applied > both spray and dust. This solved the problem. Sometimes this is necessary. The PCO probably tried to save you the bother and expense to perform this "extra" process and see if the first program would be successful. You should examine the exterior of your dwellings on a regular basis and look for entry of pests such as yellow jackets. It may save you a lot of worry, bother and expense in the future. Sorry to hear that your experience wasn't quick and easy but it usually should be. Karl -- Karl S. Erbland / karl-usenet-pest@ksme.net KSME/PestChat - Discussions & Live Chats - 24 Hours - Everyday! http://pestchat.ksme.net Pest Control Operator - Ohio Dept. of Agriculture - Lic. #1191 DISCLAIMER: Notes posted are offered as personal observation and not as professional advice. Each situation requires inspection by a licensed technician for proper pest management. Contact a licensed pest control company in your area for advice. Article 13318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35a5f7bb.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35A6C65D.EF1880E7@valley.net> Subject: Re: Ratty bees Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:28:24 +0100 Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-106.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35a70e94.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-106.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13318 Bill Greenrose wrote in message <35A6C65D.EF1880E7@valley.net>... >JAF wrote: > >> It's the little details........... >> -- >it might also be that they are finally settling in to their new home and, >so, calming down. when i introduced a new package of italians this spring >they were VERY testy for about the first week. chased me and my dog all the >way across the yard, something that had never happened to me before. now, i >can stand right in front of the hives, and they ignore me. > >bill > It could be.....though their 'attitude' changed in minutes. The weather is muggy and 'close', so it could be that. KJ Article 13319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeeping suplies needed Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998071202575000.WAA20890@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1998 02:57:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13319 Hi,I need help locateing beekeeping suplies, hive boxes ,frames , smoker,etc. Was a keeper twenty three years ago and just boxed a swarm.I live in New York, on Long Island. Thanks ,Andy Article 13320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!news.savvis.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Best honey crop ever!! From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Distribution: world References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 20 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:00:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.57 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:00:06 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13320 In article , nick.cooke@argonet.co.uk says... > >I am having the most wonderful season. > >Three weeks ago I took 60lb off two colonies that I had brought through the >winter. Last sunday I took another 120lb from the same two colonies plus a >swarm that I took in mid May. This is certainly a record for me. > >I went to look at the hives this evening and there is still a good flow with >lots of wokr being done. I am trying cut comb for the first time and I hope >that it will be successful. By the way, how much should I be charging for a >jar of honey these days, and what about the cut comb? > >Nick I am a beekeeper in Louisiana and the prices around here are about $2.00 a lb. We use a lower number like $1.45 a lb. plus container. On our cut comb we charge $4.00 a section. One section weighs about 1 lb. Article 13321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: db1029@aol.com (DB1029) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I will take your pests Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998071203354500.XAA20036@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1998 03:35:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35a886f8.2827518@news.jps.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13321 Wax worms Article 13322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!ozemail!ozemail.com.au!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!203.29.160.2.MISMATCH!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: burtz@ihug.deletethis.co.nz Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:54:47 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35a85d1f.4267421@News.wgtn.ihug.co.nz> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-max5.wlg.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271255 rec.collecting.sport:395 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13322 On 10 Jul 1998 05:04:17 GMT, dogstar2@ix.netcom.com(brett lothrop) wrote: > > Hello, > > Underneath my picture window is a floor box with > flowers growing. To my surprise I notice that there > were bees flying off it. > I'd like to know what kind of bees are living with us. > I'd rather not go through with kiling them off if I don't > have to. Still, we have a couple of kids...So far the > bees have been quite peaceful and go about their business. > > Any idea what I can expect from these bees? > > Thank-you > > Brett Lothrop > Tacoma, Washington. Part 2 If they are Bees and not wasps, someone mught want to come and take them away - maybe a local apiarist. Carol Article 13323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rtw65@aol.com (RTW65) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa mites Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1998 12:07:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13323 I have no indication af varroa in my hives. Do I still need to use apistan this fall? Article 13324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.concentric.net!ozemail!ozemail.com.au!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!203.29.160.2.MISMATCH!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: burtz@ihug.deletethis.co.nz Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:51:48 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 45 Message-ID: <35a85b9f.3883214@News.wgtn.ihug.co.nz> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p60-max5.wlg.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271257 rec.collecting.sport:396 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13324 On 10 Jul 1998 05:04:17 GMT, dogstar2@ix.netcom.com(brett lothrop) wrote: > > Hello, > > Underneath my picture window is a floor box with > flowers growing. To my surprise I notice that there > were bees flying off it. > > Today I managed to catch and kill one that flew into > the house. It has five yellow bands on the abdomen. > The whole nest itself is underground. It seems that > the egg larve just hatched recently because there wasn't > any bee activity a few weeks ago. The bee I caught wasn't > very big. > > I'd like to know what kind of bees are living with us. > I'd rather not go through with kiling them off if I don't > have to. Still, we have a couple of kids...So far the > bees have been quite peaceful and go about their business. > > A few years earlier we had a simular situation, and > choose to just live with it. These were bees that nested > high in a tree. > > Anyway, I think I've give you all the info you could > need. > > Any idea what I can expect from these bees? > > Thank-you > > Brett Lothrop > Tacoma, Washington. Wait till its quite dark and sprinkle a good handful or two of Carbaryl, just on the ledge where they land, when they enter the nest. They track it in, and the queen and the larva are also killed. Its quite safe to do this in the dark, and they should all be dead within 1 day. Do look for other entrances as well. We get the big german wasps here, and I've had to do this to a few nests, as they just get bigger and more agressive if left. good luck - Carol Article 13325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mites Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:37:47 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35a8c8c6.520960@news.jps.net> References: <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.31 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.31 Lines: 22 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13325 On 12 Jul 1998 12:07:13 GMT, rtw65@aol.com (RTW65) wrote: >I have no indication af varroa in my hives. Do I still need to use apistan this >fall? NO, and its a violation of the US law to do so. Apistan is not registered as a prophylaxis. But you can use Apistan in conjunction with a sticky board or mite trap to test your hives to see if they have mites. Having said that I still say you should not treat using this material unless you have mites and even then they should not be treated for until they are at a level that they are causing damage to the worker bees. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35A8EA5D.9CF27E06@sympatico.ca> From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeeping suplies needed References: <1998071202575000.WAA20890@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:56:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.63 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:56:41 EDT Organization: Bell Solutions Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13326 http://dadant.com, They have an outlet in upper NY or Better Bee, 1800-632-3379, fax 518-692-9669 E String 6 wrote: > Hi,I need help locateing beekeeping suplies, hive boxes ,frames , smoker,etc. > Was a keeper twenty three years ago and just boxed a swarm.I live in New York, > on Long Island. Thanks ,Andy Article 13327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa...how long till crash Date: 12 Jul 1998 18:49:03 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6ob0ev$83q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.150 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13327 I culled some old comb a few days ago and put it in the solar wax melter. The drone brood that remained had a few mites on them that I probably would not have noticed during a routine examination. It does not appear that there is any level of infestation yet that is affecting the workers but I have not re-examined the hive. This is a VERY strong hive that despite offering up 5 swarms in early March has filled 2 mediums and is working on a deep (trying to get some drawn out for splits). The brood nest is 2 deeps. There is very little sealed brood, I could not find my marked queen, and found a dead queen (unmarked) outside so I'll say supercedure (no swarm cells). I'll check again in a week or so for eggs/larva. So here is the question/dilemma: There is a pretty good flow on now and the star thistle has yet to start but when it does will be a major source and I would hate to miss it. It should be over around Oct 1 if my memory serves. Can you tell I am reluctant to treat now? Is this colony likely to crash without immediate treatment and if so what do I look for or can I put off treatment until Oct 1 if there is no apparent damage to the workers? Does the lack of sealed brood cause a condition that interrupts or slows down the reproductive/life cycle of the mite? Could this cause the # of mites to drop significantly? Last Apistan treatment was 2 strips, 6 weeks, started Oct 1. I am in the central valley of California where there was no winter of '97. Almonds and citrus make early spring application of strips pretty impractical and this colony has been treated 1/yr in the fall for 4 years. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 13328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering in the South Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:45:35 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6ob0bi$phf$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust41.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BDADA3.BAC09660" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13328 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BDADA3.BAC09660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering do bee's in south Florida need to have the same = precautions for winter as in the north or is it business as usual all = year long down here???? ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BDADA3.BAC09660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was wondering do bee's in south Florida need to = have the=20 same precautions for winter as in the north or is it business as usual = all year=20 long down here????
------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01BDADA3.BAC09660-- Article 13329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone excluders and Varoa? Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:33:07 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6o6a7r$726c$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <35a77e9f.690165@news.jps.net> <35a79b6f.7724391@news.prodigy.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: ag114.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13329 In article <35a79b6f.7724391@news.prodigy.net>, Zadigvolta@prodigy.net (Zadigvolta) wrote: > I > mention this method because European beekeepers are successfully > controling Varoa by using a drone comb frame and cleaning it of its > brood and replacing it. It is rather effective and eliminates the > use of chemicals. They must use 2 hives for the method to be really > successful. Could we have some details please? Do I gather from this article that if you put in a frame of drone foudation the bees do no bother to make any more in the brood combs? This could be useful in itself. Nick Article 13330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hive and honey Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:18:52 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900271105 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13330 I started a package in April, I now have a 2 high hive, there is plenty of honey in the hive bodies all the wax has been pulled and is filled with pollen, brood or honey. but they haven't even started to pull wax in the super I added last month. Any ideas what I should be doing or not doing different? -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:16:10 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900270944 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13331 Are there any beekepers in south Alabama? When do the honey flows start and stop. Thanks Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants in my pollen trap Date: 12 Jul 1998 21:51:43 GMT Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bdadde$ae922440$872030c0@parkin.avalon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: x2-35.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13332 I've been trapping pollen for several years but have never had a problem like this before. Each day when I empty my trap, there are hundreds of little red ants in the pollen. The colony is strong, and there is no sign of any ant invasion of the brood or honey. Any advice on how to keep the little vermin out of my pollen? Article 13333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: can a marked queen become unmarked? Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:45 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 82 Message-ID: <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13333 greetings, first my short question and then some looong background. question: can a marked queen lose her mark? i suppose it depends on the material used to mark her, but i'm talking about a commercially marked queen from b. weaver. background: this is my second year beekeeping, and i'm using d.e. hives [modified langstroth]. last year i started with one hive from a nuc. it went really well, and i ended up with a 2 deep base hive and 2 medium supers of honey, one of which i left on the hive for the bees. well, i lost my queen over the winter and, thus, the colony. tough ladies, they hung on until mid-march. so, this year i started with a 3 lb. package of italians in the two deeps, buckfast packages being long gone by the time i ordered. once the colony was up and going, i decided to better my chances of having a colony make it through the winter and ordered a second hive. i also ordered 2 ontario buckfast queens, planning to requeen the original hive and use the second queen and a split from the original hive to get the second hive off the ground. once the new queens arrived, i caught the italian queen and saved her in a jar. added the first buckfast queen cage to the original hive without incident. but, as i added the cage to the second hive, which had 3 frames of brood from the original hive in it, i managed to damage the screening on the cage and the queen just up and flew away into the forest. right before my eyes. major bummer. having saved the italian queen [whew], i dropped her into the second hive [one deep with a super of honey on top for food] and closed everything up. checked the hives a week later [after successfully releasing the queen in the first hive on the second day after introduction] and found the first hive going great, but no signs of a queen or any eggs in the second hive. however, i saw several unusually large cells on a couple of frames, much larger than drone cells and bent downward - my first queen cells. i figured the bees, for whatever reason, killed the italian queen. the ontario breeder did not have a queen ready, so i ordered a buckfast queen from b. weaver, this time having it marked and clipped. she arrived via ups 2nd day [much, much better than the u.s. postal service], and i added her cage to the hive, along with another frame of brood from the first hive. also, i destroyed the queen cells. after 2 days, they had not quite eaten through the candy plug, but the bees were calm and facing head in to the cage, not butt in, so i figured the introductions were over and released the queen. she crawled down into the hive, meeting workers along the way without incident, so all seemed fine. checked the hives one week later [today]. the first hive is going guns ablazin' in 3 deeps [yes, i plan to run these as 3 deep brood area hives], and i'll soon have to start supering it. in the second hive, however, i found a fair amount of honey being put up, but only one side of one frame with eggs, very little capped brood, and - here's the weird part - an unmarked queen! now, i KNOW i checked that hive very carefully, before determining that it was queenless. with only 3 frames of brood [2 others with honey and the rest undrawn foundation], it wasn't hard to do, and the lack of eggs and the queen cells seemed to confirm my suspicion. i also checked it a second time, before i added the new queen cage. so, what happened? did i miss the original queen and did she kill the new one? or did the new queen somehow lose her blue dot? the low number of eggs could be attributed to a combination of her need to acclimate to the new hive and a lack of open cells, due to the current nectar flow. even if i somehow managed to miss a queen cell, there was not enough time for one to hatch out. this queen is mature, in that she has a long abdomen and doesn't look like a 'newbie queen.' also, she has the leathery brown coloration of a buckfast queen. any ideas, comments, critiques? bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:01:59 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35A93257.9F41C28F@valley.net> References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-103.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13334 Larry Williard wrote: > I started a package in April, I now have a 2 high hive, there is plenty > of honey in the hive bodies all the wax has been pulled and is filled > with pollen, brood or honey. but they haven't even started to pull wax > in the super I added last month. > Any ideas what I should be doing or not doing different? > > -- > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com are you using a queen excluder? if so, it can slow the bees' movement into the super. is your flow over? if so, you may need to feed them syrup to stimulate comb production. just a couple of thoughts. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35A96738.79CE6FB6@sympatico.ca> From: sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/sgt.tibbs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:49:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.82 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:49:20 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13335 Try pacing the honey super between the two brood boxes, with queen excluders in between the top brood box and bottom box. Leave it for a few days, the back on top. It should kick start them on drawing out the comb. Allen Banks Larry Williard wrote: > I started a package in April, I now have a 2 high hive, there is plenty > of honey in the hive bodies all the wax has been pulled and is filled > with pollen, brood or honey. but they haven't even started to pull wax > in the super I added last month. > Any ideas what I should be doing or not doing different? > > -- > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: Mishy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:22:19 -0700 Organization: ICAN.Net Customer Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-046.kingston-01.ican.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13336 I would like some information about a rumor of a hive destroying beetle found in California. If anyone has any information confirming this please let me know. Thank-you Michelle Article 13337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:44:41 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <35A982A9.878F3E63@fcbl.net> References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> <35A96738.79CE6FB6@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900301549 EDOBMGQ.FB038D018C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13337 Bill: I dont know when the honey flow is here in South Alabama, and I cant find any beekepers here either, except ones that lost there bees years ago to varoa and dont know either. I live in the boonies. Any Idea how I can tell? Yes I have an excluder between them. Should I remove it? Last week the queen was in the upper box. sgt.tibbs: I would try that but I would have to buy another queen excluder mail order just to try. Larry sgt.tibbs@sympatico.ca wrote: > Try pacing the honey super between the two brood boxes, with queen > excluders in between the top brood box and bottom box. Leave it for a few > days, the back on top. It should kick start them on drawing out the comb. > Allen Banks > > Larry Williard wrote: > > > I started a package in April, I now have a 2 high hive, there is plenty > > of honey in the hive bodies all the wax has been pulled and is filled > > with pollen, brood or honey. but they haven't even started to pull wax > > in the super I added last month. > > Any ideas what I should be doing or not doing different? > > > > -- > > remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > > circuit9@bigfoot.com -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: zelston@aol.com (ZElston) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 3 questions about hornets Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jul 1998 04:15:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13338 I've done a quick search and looked over some really nice web pages but didn't see any definite answers. A friend has a rather large hornet's nest in his garden and we would like to remove it. However we're not interested in nuking the site. Question 1...can we smoke out the nest and what success will we have in removing the critters (worrying about those few that might not really want to leave)? Can we build a smoker? I’ve seen they cost about $40 and that’s not unreasonable, but we like to build stuff so this might be a fun project. 2. we would like to save the nest as an artifact and ultimately slice it down the middle for display. Is this doable without totally destroying it in the process? Could we coat the paper with something that would help preserve it during the dissection process? (provided we can get the residents to leave of course) 3. are we totally nuts? We're content to just leave it be, but eventually will have to remove it because of the proximity to the front door. It was never noticed because we use the side door, but guests coming over always come to the front...and I think the mailman is getting nervous. thanks for any help offered. -zac Article 13339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:29:31 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6oc204$fei$1@news13.ispnews.com> References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: len.pdq.net X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 900303684 15826 209.144.239.210 (13 Jul 1998 04:21:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1998 04:21:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13339 The small hive beetle, Aethina tumida, is causing great problems in the US. If you have a problem with the beetle or can share information contact Randy Mercurio of the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH) at: rjm8361@.nyu.edu Mishy wrote in message 35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net... >I would like some information about a rumor of a hive destroying beetle >found in California. If anyone has any information confirming this >please let me know. > > Thank-you > Michelle > Article 13340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:12:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13340 I asked a similar question some time ago. I never even got an answer as to what they are for. Because they sag they allow condensation to drip into the middle of the cluster, I don't plan to use them any more. Pete SSeely wrote in message <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >Stupid question. I have often wondered how the inner cover is suppose to be >placed on the hive. Shallow or deep side down ? What season ? Why ? I've been >keeping bees for quite some time here in PA as a hobby and this has bugged the >heck out of me for some time now. Article 13341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:39:17 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35A9B9A2.D145D20A@Birkey.com> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13341 Pete A. Wolcott wrote: > I asked a similar question some time ago. I never even got an answer as to > what they > are for. Because they sag they allow condensation to drip into the middle > of the cluster, > I don't plan to use them any more. If you're using telescoping lids/covers, the first time you go and try to remove the lid but can't without whacking it and getting all the bees upset because it's been propolized to the super, you'll go back to using them! Don't need 'em if you use migratory tops. -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA -------------------------------- 630.293.1181 ph > 630.293.3613 fx barry@birkey.com > http://www.birkey.com Article 13342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:41:11 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35A9E447.58FC@juno.com> References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> <6oc204$fei$1@news13.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.148 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900336572 OCZ7E7JIA4F94CDD8C usenet79.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13342 for more background and updates, check the "apis" newsletter on line at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apis.htm/apis98/apjul98.htm Article 13343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can a marked queen become unmarked? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:06:02 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35aa28cb.4595627@news.jps.net> References: <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.45 Lines: 84 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13343 On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:45 -0400, Bill Greenrose wrote: >frames of brood from the original hive in it, i managed to damage the >screening on the cage and the queen just up and flew away into the >forest. right before my eyes. major bummer. Many times if you had waited the queen would return to the area she was released from, but not every time. I have released them from a cage in my shirt pocket and stood still in place and have had them return and land on my pocket. Its a good trick that many can use at a summer beekeeping picnic, like in a contest to see who's queen returns first. >of frames, much larger than drone cells and bent downward - my first >queen cells. i figured the bees, for whatever reason, killed the >italian queen. Yes, I would guess you did. Queens should not be just dropped into a queen less hive, unless you have many of them and are not concerned if they are accepted or not. It is best to have them slow released from the shipping cage. You will have better luck if you can remove any worker bees from the cage and poke a hole in the candy but leave it in place. It should take 24 to 48 hours for the bees to eat their way into the queen and she will be released. By this time the hive should realize they are without a queen and accept the new queen. If you do not remove the worker bees from the shipping cage there will be some fighting between the hive bees and these bees and sometimes it will get out of hand and the new queen will also be attacked. Until that new queen has been in the hive, laying eggs for a few days at least the hive should not be bothered as it takes that long for them to really accept this new queen and more times then not if you check back too early they will ball her. This balling is not like love making type and if you stay and watch you will see the bees pulling at the queen and they will take her apart and at the least cause some damage to her legs and wings. If they sting her she's gone. >the introductions were over and released the queen. she crawled down >into the hive, meeting workers along the way without incident, so all >seemed fine. >of one frame with eggs, very little capped brood, and - here's the weird >part - an unmarked queen! now, This sounds like a young queen just starting to lay. >the new queen cage. so, what happened? did i miss the original queen >and did she kill the new one? You may have had a virgin queen in the hive and sometimes to the untrained eye they are hard to see or find. Of course the same is true to the trained eye, but in any case the virgin may be no bigger then the full worker bee and she will more times then not run with them on the combs making it very hard to find her. Then if it was one of the days she was out of the hive you would never find her anyway. >or did the new queen somehow lose her blue dot? This does happen but not that common. >to the current nectar flow. even if i somehow managed to miss a queen >cell, there was not enough time for one to hatch out. this queen is >mature, in that she has a long abdomen and doesn't look like a 'newbie >queen.' also, she has the leathery brown coloration of a buckfast When a queen mates she starts to swell up. I have seen virgin queens who were able to pass trough an excluder to get out to mate only to find themselves locked out of the hive on their return from mating. I would guess the load of sperm from 7-15 drones she was carrying made the difference. Anyway laying queens do look different from virgins and in a few days their size and color can change. >any ideas, comments, critiques? All is well that ends well. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Nemaha@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FS: 1920 Beekeeping Book (Plants) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:09:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6odm17$776$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998071311164800.HAA06162@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.171 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 13 19:09:26 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13344 Dave, I definitely would like to buy the copy at the quoted price. Please call me this afternoon at 1-800-688-4410. Roger Flanders. In article <1998071311164800.HAA06162@ladder01.news.aol.com>, oldbooks78@aol.com (Oldbooks78) wrote: > I currently have for sale a good+ copy of "American Honey Plants, Together with > Those Which are of Special Value to the Beekeeper as Sources of Pollen", by > Frank C. Pellett, published in 1920 by the American Bee Journal. The 297 page > hardbound book is in good+ condition, clean with no page tears or pen marks > other than previous owners names (2) inside the front cover, and crossed our > property stamps from the U.S. Veterans Bureau inside the rear cover. Bent page > corner in the margin of the frontis plate, doesn't effect the photo. Heavily > illustrated throughout with photos. Moderate wear to the green cloth covers, > including a few small white stains on the spine. Strong binding. Available for > $25 plus $3 postage (within the US). If interested, please email to > "Oldbooks78@aol.com" to reserve. Thanks, and best regards. > > Dave > ============================================= > For other old and interesting books, please visit our web site at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/va/oldbooks > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3 questions about hornets Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:16:54 +0100 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <1998071311165475982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13345 The message <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> from zelston@aol.com (ZElston) contains these words: > I've done a quick search and looked over some really nice web pages but didn't > see any definite answers. > A friend has a rather large hornet's nest in his garden and we would like to > remove it. However we're not interested in nuking the site. If you are based in the UK, the answer to all your questions is to leave them alone. I think you will find that they are now a protected species and must not be interfered with in any way. > Question 1...can we smoke out the nest and what success will we have in > removing the critters (worrying about those few that might not really want to > leave)? Can we build a smoker? I’ve seen they cost about $40 and that’s not > unreasonable, but we like to build stuff so this might be a fun project. No, you can't smoke out Hornets, you just make them mad! > 2. we would like to save the nest as an artifact and ultimately slice it down > the middle for display. Is this doable without totally destroying it in the > process? Could we coat the paper with something that would help preserve it > during the dissection process? (provided we can get the residents to leave of > course) See above. > 3. are we totally nuts? We're content to just leave it be, but eventually > will have to remove it because of the proximity to the front door. It was > never noticed because we use the side door, but guests coming over always come > to the front...and I think the mailman is getting nervous. Answer, yes - see above. I did a lot of work on Hornets when I was working in Northamptonshire, and despite them having a bad reputation they are usually very peaceful. Only the females sting, but as the only difference is in the shape of the antennae, you have to get pretty close to find out which is which. If you are in the USA then you have two choices, either to destroy the nest completely or leave it alone. Anything else will only antagonise the Hornets and will probably lead to you getting badly stung Phil. Article 13346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mouse guards Date: 13 Jul 1998 12:31:27 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bdae5a$889381e0$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: <1998071014465400.KAA12960@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13346 3/8 of an inch circles. Mice have the ability to shrink the vertical size of their skull but not the horizontal i.e. they will be able to get through a 1/8 slot but not a 2/8 circular hole. BeeCrofter wrote in article <1998071014465400.KAA12960@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Whats the reccomended mesh size for mouse guards? > and what is the largest you can get away with? > Article 13347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:37:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6odv5i$df4$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port68.annex7.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13347 "Pete A. Wolcott" wrote: >I asked a similar question some time ago. I never even got an answer as to >what they >are for. Because they sag they allow condensation to drip into the middle >of the cluster, >I don't plan to use them any more. >Pete >SSeely wrote in message <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >>Stupid question. I have often wondered how the inner cover is suppose to >be >>placed on the hive. Shallow or deep side down ? What season ? Why ? I've >been >>keeping bees for quite some time here in PA as a hobby and this has bugged >the >>heck out of me for some time now. Deep side up. Deep side down and you will get lots of burr comb. Deep side up allows the bees to go above the inner cover to keep it clean of ants, wax worms, etc. A small stick to raise the Top will elliminate any condensation problem. The purpose of the inner cover or crown board is to keep the bees from gluing down the telescoping cover. Greg // I think, therefore, I bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 13348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grease patty treatement Date: 13 Jul 1998 22:01:42 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6oe046$158@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.214 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13348 I have been using grease patties to control (I think that is the word) T mites. I have been putting the patty on wax paper between the 2 deeps. Now the supers are getting high and heavy and my L4/L5 disc is telling me not to break the colonies down to the deeps. So can I just slip the patty thru the entrance and leave it on the bottom board or is there something else I should do? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Article 13349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:44:19 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6od3br$52q@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> <35A96738.79CE6FB6@sympatico.ca> <35A982A9.878F3E63@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn5-10.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jul 13 6:50:51 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13349 > I dont know when the honey flow is here in South Alabama, and I cant find >any beekepers here either, except ones that lost there bees years ago to varoa >and dont know either. I live in the boonies. Any Idea how I can tell? Yes I >have an excluder between them. Should I remove it? Last week the queen was in >the upper box. Try spraying sugar surup on the foundation that will usually get them to move. Then add a feeder if the nector flow is slow. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Virtualis Systems...your home on the Web." Newsgroups: han.soc.culture.kyongsangdo,han.soc.culture.seoul,microsoft.public.fr.start.culture,net.subculture.tasteless,net.subculture.usenet,ntu.agri.horticulture,relcom.culture.underground,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Everything from A-Z.. Free, Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:27:36 -0400 Lines: 5 Organization: Virtualis Systems X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.205.11.171 Message-ID: <35aad0b2.0@news.total.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.total.net!205.205.11.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu relcom.culture.underground:498 sci.agriculture:27002 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13350 sci.agriculture.fruit:2033 Everything from A-Z.. Free, visit the GaLaXy http://www.total.net/~efay Article 13351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:16:08 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6oef4m$597$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6ob0bi$phf$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <11316-35A9D608-111@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust166.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13351 Sorry for my ignorance, but what is "after pepper" and what is "terra patty"???? Article 13352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:23:49 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <35AAC134.DD30444@valley.net> References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> <35A96738.79CE6FB6@sympatico.ca> <35A982A9.878F3E63@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-112.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13352 Larry Williard wrote: > Bill: > I dont know when the honey flow is here in South Alabama, and I cant find > any beekepers here either, except ones that lost there bees years ago to varoa > and dont know either. I live in the boonies. Any Idea how I can tell? Yes I > have an excluder between them. Should I remove it? Last week the queen was in > the upper box. > well, you might check with your local/county/district/whatever agricultural extension office. they might know, assuming, of course, they have someone on board, who knows about bees and such. the way i tell is sort of two-fold. first, i feed my bees all they will take in the spring, and they tend to wean themselves off of the syrup, once a flow starts. just tastes better, i guess. second, if you're not feeding them, or if they're not taking syrup, but you can see lots of fresh nectar being put up in the comb, then there is probably a flow going on. as for the excluder, i try to avoid using one, whenever possible, as it seems to slow the bee's movement into the supers, at least for me. given sufficient room for egg-laying, the queen seems to stay down in the deeps on her own. but, if you found your queen upstairs, then you may need to use it. there are some excellent responses to your question from other, more knowledgeable beekeepers than me, and they should help with your problem. lastly, i've read it in many places and seen it in real life, that bees pretty much do things on their own schedule and at their own pace. usually, they sort things out better than we can, if we try to 'help.' small consolation, i know, but it means that, if they run out of room down below, then, eventually, they will have to move their honey storage upstairs. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <11316-35A9D608-111@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6ob0bi$phf$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRw00WMAED3K6pdIOQcAy6HFKnHVgIVAIeDTHGVkM2avEzMPoN2MpX8l5vF Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13353 Kill your mites now and again after pepper. One small supper of honey after pepper will be enough to winter. No insulation will be needed of course. Your main consern will be the mites because you will not have a broodless period. Do not forget to put a terra patty on now and again after pepper. Thats all I cal think of now. Article 13354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.44.2.10!nntp.cntfl.com!not-for-mail From: "Serpent" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: 14 Jul 1998 02:30:13 GMT Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bdaed0$69d15900$2b9131cc@CrestviewInternet> References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gg.cyou.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13354 http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/aethina.pdf Mishy wrote in article <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net>... > I would like some information about a rumor of a hive destroying beetle > found in California. If anyone has any information confirming this > please let me know. > > Thank-you > Michelle > > Article 13355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: oldbooks78@aol.com (Oldbooks78) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: 1920 Beekeeping Book (Plants) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998071311164800.HAA06162@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jul 1998 11:16:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13355 I currently have for sale a good+ copy of "American Honey Plants, Together with Those Which are of Special Value to the Beekeeper as Sources of Pollen", by Frank C. Pellett, published in 1920 by the American Bee Journal. 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Dave ============================================= For other old and interesting books, please visit our web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/va/oldbooks Article 13356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:03:35 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.67 Message-ID: <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.67 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13356 Larry Williard wrote in message <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net>... >Are there any beekepers in south Alabama? When do the honey flows start >and stop. > > Thanks > > Larry > >-- >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying >circuit9@bigfoot.com > > There are lots of beekeeper in South Alabama but getting them to post is another store. I will forward your message to some of them..... Article 13357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3 questions about hornets Lines: 65 Message-ID: <1998071312435500.IAA17499@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jul 1998 12:43:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13357 From: zelston@aol.com (ZElston) <> If you can live with them, they will keep your garden clean of caterpillars. They are valuable in pest control. <> Smoke will have little effect on hornets, unless you can blind them with sufficient quantity. I've tried it, and believe me, they still keep coming! With huge quantities of smoke, they seemed only momentarily confused, and recovered, as soon as the smoke stopped. <<2. we would like to save the nest as an artifact and ultimately slice it down the middle for display. Is this doable without totally destroying it in the process? Could we coat the paper with something that would help preserve it during the dissection process? (provided we can get the residents to leave of course)>> Spray with matte-finish lacquer to stiffen the outside. I don't know about cutting. The nests are quite valuable for decoration in fancy city high-rises. I've heard of nice ones, still attatched to a section of limb, sold for several hundred dollars. <<3. are we totally nuts? We're content to just leave it be, but eventually will have to remove it because of the proximity to the front door. It was never noticed because we use the side door, but guests coming over always come to the front...and I think the mailman is getting nervous.>> I prefer to leave them be until fall, if possible. They will die out then. But you run the risk of wind or preditors damaging the nest before you can "harvest" it. I have killed them with spray in a few cases, where there was no other option. If you stand perfectly still, they will not recognize you as the source of the danger. I've done this from five or six feet from the entrance and not even had one hornet come to investigate me. I hate to do this, and consider it a noxious job of last resort. Subject: 3 questions about hornets Path: lobby03.news.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.dpn.de!news-out1.f.gtn.com!news-in1.f.gtn.com!roka.net!not-for-mail From: "Gisela Döring" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3 questions about hornets Date: 14 Jul 1998 09:52:01 GMT Organization: roka EDV und Datenkommunikationsberatung GmbH, Krefeld Lines: 60 Message-ID: <01bdaf0c$6b0a08d0$352e04c3@workstation2> References: <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco53.rst.de X-Trace: ts-mail.roka.net 900409921 3229 (None) 195.4.46.53 X-Complaints-To: usenet@roka.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13358 Hi Here in Germany hornets are protected animals. Though people don't love to have them as next door neighbours! I don't think smoking them out would be a good idea. They are only driven from their net, but not killed - and they will come back. And it is too dangerous. Hornets are very docile, calm animals. But when attacked they will, of course, defend themselves. This way you could get stung by dozens! And that quantity would be dangerous. Try and get a nature group, bee-keeper or fire-brigades (they will destroy the net, though). A well equipped bee-keeper could remove the net into a quiet place. Then, when all the hornets die in late fall/winter, you could go and get the empty net. Maybe the same bee-keeper could advise you on how to cut the net?!? BTW, we have hornets in the neighbourhood each summer. Either in the big old trees or in a half broken house. They don't cause any problems, but I don't like them to come into my living-room. But when they do, I chase them with a newspaper and a water-spray for flowers. None of us got ever stung. Kind regards Gisela ZElston schrieb im Beitrag <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > I've done a quick search and looked over some really nice web pages but didn't > see any definite answers. > > A friend has a rather large hornet's nest in his garden and we would like to > remove it. However we're not interested in nuking the site. > > Question 1...can we smoke out the nest and what success will we have in > removing the critters (worrying about those few that might not really want to > leave)? Can we build a smoker? I’ve seen they cost about $40 and that’s not > unreasonable, but we like to build stuff so this might be a fun project. > > 2. we would like to save the nest as an artifact and ultimately slice it down > the middle for display. Is this doable without totally destroying it in the > process? Could we coat the paper with something that would help preserve it > during the dissection process? (provided we can get the residents to leave of > course) > > 3. are we totally nuts? We're content to just leave it be, but eventually > will have to remove it because of the proximity to the front door. It was > never noticed because we use the side door, but guests coming over always come > to the front...and I think the mailman is getting nervous. > > > thanks for any help offered. > -zac > > Article 13359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: hunter@isgs.uiuc.edu (Kate Hunter) Newsgroups: rec.gardens,rec.collecting.sport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:51:08 GMT Organization: Illinois State Geological Survey Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6ofnoc$cr7$2@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hunter@isgs.uiuc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.inhs.uiuc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.gardens:271621 rec.collecting.sport:397 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13359 Yellow jackets nest underground. I dont know if its too early to see them tho. We dont notice them flying around until late August, but they may have alrady established nests by this time. I just live with 'em. -- |\ _,,,~~~,,_ /, .-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '-~~''(_/--' `-'\_) Kate Hunter hunter@fern.igis.uiuc.edu Gardening in East Central Illinois Zone 5b In article <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, dogstar2@ix.netcom.com(brett lothrop) writes: > > Hello, > > Underneath my picture window is a floor box with > flowers growing. To my surprise I notice that there > were bees flying off it. > > Today I managed to catch and kill one that flew into > the house. It has five yellow bands on the abdomen. > The whole nest itself is underground. It seems that > the egg larve just hatched recently because there wasn't > any bee activity a few weeks ago. The bee I caught wasn't > very big. > > I'd like to know what kind of bees are living with us. > I'd rather not go through with kiling them off if I don't > have to. Still, we have a couple of kids...So far the > bees have been quite peaceful and go about their business. > > A few years earlier we had a simular situation, and > choose to just live with it. These were bees that nested > high in a tree. > > Anyway, I think I've give you all the info you could > need. > > Any idea what I can expect from these bees? > > Thank-you > > Brett Lothrop > Tacoma, Washington. Article 13360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive and honey Lines: 78 Message-ID: <1998071414103100.KAA12180@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1998 14:10:31 GMT References: <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13360 In article <35A90C1B.305D254C@fcbl.net>, Larry Williard writes: >I started a package in April, I now have a 2 high hive, there is plenty >of honey in the hive bodies all the wax has been pulled and is filled >with pollen, brood or honey. but they haven't even started to pull wax >in the super I added last month. > Any ideas what I should be doing or not doing different? Larry, In the deep south, it's tough to get foundation pulled after the spring flow. Summer flows are spotty to non-existant, especially if it is hot and dry. You have another thread on honey flows, and I'll refer to this here as it applies, as well. Remember, also, you are in a totally different environment than northern beekeepers, and their advice is tempered by their conditions. In northeastern or midwestern USA (which is what most of the bee books seem to be written for), the main flow is in July. In the deep south, July is the deadest, most barren month of all. First, double deep brood chambers are probably not the best southern management scheme. In the north, where bees are wintered, they need to have the extra deep full of honey and pollen. But in the deep south, the bees will happily occupy both deeps and ignore the supers, if you have an excluder. If you don't have an excluder, a good queen will run up into the supers during the spotty summer flows and fill them with brood, then you wind up with humungous hives in the fall, with brood from top to bottom and not a drop of honey, because they ate it all raising brood. The first thing I would advise is to convert one of your deeps to a super. That is: find the queen and make sure she is in the bottom deep. Then put the excluder on that and replace the top deep. Brood will hatch out and the cells will be filled with honey. Put your super of foundation on that. They will draw it if they have a flow; if they don't, they won't. If they start chewing up the foundation, take it off and store it until there is evidence of a flow. Your main spring flows are over by mid-May, unless you are along the coast where bees have tallow (popcorn tree). This blooms in June. But you also may be exposed to a lot of aerial mosquito spraying if it is a populated area, and those guys don't necessarily obey the label. If you are farther inland, you may get some flow from sumac in mid summer. Cotton bloom starts in late July. If you have cotton near you, you may have feast, if it is Bt cotton or if the guys obey the label directions to protect bees, or your bees may get poisoned, if they don't. On the right soils, cotton can sometimes yield a super of nice honey. Or the bees can get so depleted that they won't survive the winter. If you have soybeans, you may get a small flow, but they also don't yield like in some northern locations. As you go into August, you'll find a number of small woody plants that yield small amounts (I call it a brush flow), and this is best in land that was logged (or hurricane destroyed) several years ago. By September you have spanish needle, and in October, goldenrod and aster. I have yet to see any really great flow after the spring. Goldenrod, on the right soils might yield 10-15 lbs and is maybe the best chance after cotton, to get your foundation drawn. Otherwise, make sure you have it on the bees early next spring. Never leave foundation or even empty comb on the bees over winter. We may not get as cold as the north, but we do have cold spells, and the bees have to heat all empty space above them, which means a lot of honey consumption. Add in a windy cold, such as we often get in February and March, and it gets worse. But by late March, it's time to get the supers back on. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35AA196D.55C70536@clinic.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:27:57 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> <6oc204$fei$1@news13.ispnews.com> <35A9E447.58FC@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.228.212.33 X-Trace: 13 Jul 1998 10:30:35 -0500, 207.228.212.33 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!207.228.212.33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13361 I have not been able to log on to that site. Anyone else have the same problem? Can get to the U of Florida site but not the beetle page or the page below. Bill Truesdell Bath, Me tomas mozer wrote: > for more background and updates, check the "apis" newsletter on line at: > > http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apis.htm/apis98/apjul98.htm Article 13362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:51:15 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35AB4633.2642@juno.com> References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> <6oc204$fei$1@news13.ispnews.com> <35A9E447.58FC@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900428108 OCZ7E7JIA4FB8CDD8C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13362 sorry! try: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis98/apjul98.htm tomas mozer wrote: > > for more background and updates, check the "apis" newsletter on line at: > > http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apis.htm/apis98/apjul98.htm Article 13363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:14 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net> References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900428061 EDOBMGQ.FB032D018C usenet79.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13363 I appreciate your efforts, but most people dont know what a computer is around here. I have talked to 1 x beekeper that was killed off by the mite and he didnt know anything. I have never even seen a hive withen 40 miles of my house. I live in the boonies. Central South Alabama, about 100 miles from the coast. Larry Darrell Laney wrote: > Larry Williard wrote in message <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net>... > >Are there any beekepers in south Alabama? When do the honey flows start > >and stop. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > >-- > >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > >circuit9@bigfoot.com > > > > > There are lots of beekeeper in South Alabama but getting them to post is > another store. I will forward your message to some of them..... -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "bhrh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment Date: 14 Jul 1998 16:19:48 GMT Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bdaf43$03b36500$c679accf@wbarry.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-121-198.s198.tnt15.brd.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 900433188 18737 207.172.121.198 (14 Jul 1998 16:19:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13364 looking for extraction and uncaping equipment please email at bhrh@erols.com Article 13365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!not-for-mail From: Scott Eby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:41:38 -0700 Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35AB7C31.6A8D6F7A@cdac.com> References: <6ob0bi$phf$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <11316-35A9D608-111@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <6oef4m$597$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cdac.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13365 I don't know about "pepper", but terra is short for terramycin, which is a general purpose anti-biotic used to kill foulbrood organisms. It is usually mixed into what is called an "extender patty" mainly consisting of shortening and sugar. It is about the consistancy of modelling clay and is placed on the tops of the brood frames for the bees to eat. Any good bee book or bee supply store will have recipes. Scott Berny wrote: > > Sorry for my ignorance, but what is "after pepper" and what is "terra > patty"???? Article 13366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998071417521400.NAA13831@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1998 17:52:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6oe046$158@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13366 Just put the patty under the top lid. Patties work by the "housekeeping" habits of the hive. They will chew up the patties and paper if an effort to rid themselves of the stuff and in doing so, get the oils all over themselves. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net> Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:53:25 -0500 Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.29 Message-ID: <35aba8b0.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13367 If you will e-mail me.....off group....with your address and phone I will call the local beekeeper Assoc. in your area and have someone from there give you a call....Alabama has one of the best and most organized beekeepers Assoc. in the US. The president of the Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. live in your area and the local Assoc. has over 50 members...They also produce a very good newsletter called "The Smoker".....So before you come down on Alabama as backwards please do a little homework........ Larry Williard wrote in message <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net>... >I appreciate your efforts, but most people dont know what a computer is >around here. I have talked to 1 x beekeper that was killed off by the mite >and he didnt know anything. I have never even seen a hive withen 40 miles of >my house. I live in the boonies. Central South Alabama, about 100 miles from >the coast. > Larry > >Darrell Laney wrote: > >> Larry Williard wrote in message <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net>... >> >Are there any beekepers in south Alabama? When do the honey flows start >> >and stop. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Larry >> > >> >-- >> >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying >> >circuit9@bigfoot.com >> > >> > >> There are lots of beekeeper in South Alabama but getting them to post is >> another store. I will forward your message to some of them..... > > > >-- >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying >circuit9@bigfoot.com > > Article 13368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998071418013100.OAA14867@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:01:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdaf43$03b36500$c679accf@wbarry.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13368 We have several used 4-frame Kelly hand-crank extractors right now. we also have two commercial extractors - one is a Maxant auto reversing 12-frame and the second is a Maxant revesrer that thas been converted to a 20 frame radial. We also have a vibrating steam knife/honeyclaifier/waxmelter setup with the steam generator. If any of this exicte you, let me know. You didn't mention where you are loctated and most time, shipping used extraction equipment is not a bargin. We are located in Western Oregon. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools TEL 503-838-2328 Article 13369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "bhrh" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment Date: 14 Jul 1998 18:54:20 GMT Organization: RCN Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bdaf58$993656e0$cbbbaccf@wbarry.erols.com> References: <01bdaf43$03b36500$c679accf@wbarry.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-187-203.s203.tnt18.brd.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 900442460 11645 207.172.187.203 (14 Jul 1998 18:54:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13369 I am located in northern Virginia bhrh wrote in article <01bdaf43$03b36500$c679accf@wbarry.erols.com>... > looking for extraction and uncaping equipment > > please email at bhrh@erols.com > Article 13370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:50:46 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 164 Message-ID: <35ABB696.3BADB769@fcbl.net> References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net> <35aba8b0.0@209.149.100.15> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------08DBF79214AD125FE303BA4E" X-Trace: 900446089 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13370 --------------08DBF79214AD125FE303BA4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't put words in my post. I said around here, meaning in my small community. I didn't specify all of Alabama. I also didn't say Alabama was backwards, I could have been speaking of any small community anywhere in the US. I didn't say anything about Alabama being backward. I happen to love Alabama. I live in a small farming community, mostly chicken houses and farms. Im 35 miles to the nearest Walmart and 75 miles to Montgomery or Dothan. As for doing homework whom do you suggest I ask? The local county extension didn't have any information. They grow peanuts around here and cotton and chickens. That crack was unnecessary about being down on Alabama as being backwards. If you want to help thanks if not that's ok too.. Larry Darrell Laney wrote: > If you will e-mail me.....off group....with your address and phone I will > call the local beekeeper Assoc. in your area and have someone from there > give you a call....Alabama has one of the best and most organized beekeepers > Assoc. in the US. > The president of the Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. live in your area and the > local Assoc. has over 50 members...They also produce a very good newsletter > called "The Smoker".....So before you come down on Alabama as backwards > please do a little homework........ > Larry Williard wrote in message <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net>... > >I appreciate your efforts, but most people dont know what a computer is > >around here. I have talked to 1 x beekeper that was killed off by the mite > >and he didnt know anything. I have never even seen a hive withen 40 miles > of > >my house. I live in the boonies. Central South Alabama, about 100 miles > from > >the coast. > > Larry > > > >Darrell Laney wrote: > > > >> Larry Williard wrote in message <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net>... > >> >Are there any beekepers in south Alabama? When do the honey flows start > >> >and stop. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > Larry > >> > > >> >-- > >> >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > >> >circuit9@bigfoot.com > >> > > >> > > >> There are lots of beekeeper in South Alabama but getting them to post is > >> another store. I will forward your message to some of them..... > > > > > > > >-- > >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > >circuit9@bigfoot.com > > > > -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com --------------08DBF79214AD125FE303BA4E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't put words in my post.  I said around here, meaning in my small community. I didn't specify all of Alabama. I also didn't say Alabama was backwards, I could have been speaking of any small community anywhere in the US. I didn't say anything about Alabama being backward. I happen to love Alabama.
    I live in a small farming community, mostly chicken houses and farms. Im 35 miles to the nearest Walmart and 75 miles to Montgomery or Dothan.
    As for doing homework whom do you suggest I ask? The local county extension didn't have any information. They grow peanuts around here and cotton and chickens.
    That crack was unnecessary about being down on Alabama as being backwards.
If you want to help thanks if not that's ok too..

                Larry
 
 

Darrell Laney wrote:

If you will e-mail me.....off group....with your address and phone I will
call the local beekeeper Assoc. in your area and have someone from there
give you a call....Alabama has one of the best and most organized beekeepers
Assoc. in the US.
The president of the Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. live in your area and the
local Assoc. has over 50 members...They also produce a very good newsletter
called "The Smoker".....So before you come down on Alabama as backwards
please do a little homework........
Larry Williard wrote in message <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net>...
>I appreciate your efforts, but most people dont know what a computer is
>around here. I have talked to 1 x beekeper that was killed off by the mite
>and he didnt know anything. I have never even seen a hive withen 40 miles
of
>my house. I live in the boonies. Central South Alabama, about 100 miles
from
>the coast.
>                Larry
>
>Darrell Laney wrote:
>
>> Larry Williard wrote in message <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net>...
>> >Are there any beekepers in south Alabama?  When do the honey flows start
>> >and stop.
>> >
>> >            Thanks
>> >
>> >                        Larry
>> >
>> >--
>> >remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying
>> >circuit9@bigfoot.com
>> >
>> >
>> There are lots of beekeeper in South Alabama but getting them to post is
>> another store. I will forward your message to some of them.....
>
>
>
>--
>remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying
>circuit9@bigfoot.com
>
>
 

--
remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying
circuit9@bigfoot.com
  --------------08DBF79214AD125FE303BA4E-- Article 13371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: 14 Jul 1998 20:02:55 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6ogdhf$ssj@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6oe046$158@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <1998071417521400.NAA13831@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.170 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13371 I assume you mean under the inner cover. I can't see the bees being much interested in what is between the inner and outer covers. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Beetools wrote in article <1998071417521400.NAA13831@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Just put the patty under the top lid. Patties work by the "housekeeping" habits > of the hive. They will chew up the patties and paper if an effort to rid > themselves of the stuff and in doing so, get the oils all over themselves. > > Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee > http://members.aol.com/beetools > Article 13372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.co.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Temperature Observations Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:26:54 GMT Message-ID: <35b9e7dd.28662533@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-249.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-249.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13372 I know this has been done, and we all know the results, but I want to do it for myself........ At long last, I have acquired a Min/Max Ext/Int thermometer, so I thought I'd put the Int bit on top of the inner cover, and the Ext probe at the hive entrance, and take daily readings, at least until I get fed up with it. My reason for this post is to ask for suggestions as to how I might best organize my results in a spreadsheet programme; for instance, how many columns, what info., etc. It's not that I can't figure it out for myself, but there may be some 'convention' for collating results, and I want the project to be of some use, though it's only, initially, for fun. I will be placing the data on my web pages, but that's a while away yet. Post or e-mail, I don't mind; I am here every day, though. Article 13373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers in South Florida Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:45:18 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6ogu6l$r77$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust131.tnt17.atl2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01BDAF68.50543F40" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13373 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BDAF68.50543F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone on this newsgroup located in south Florida (USA), I am located = in western Broward and would like to get started in beekeeping as a = hobby but can find anyone to learn from. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BDAF68.50543F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is anyone on this newsgroup located = in south=20 Florida (USA), I am located in western Broward and would like to get = started in=20 beekeeping as a hobby but can find anyone to learn from.
------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BDAF68.50543F40-- Article 13374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marking Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:01:23 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup61.tnath.usit.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13374 What do most people use to mark Queens or what is the best marking fluid to use ? Thanks Don Article 13375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:54 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35AC35E2.17D8@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 43-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gollum.kingston.net 900464664 16724 205.210.52.43 (15 Jul 1998 01:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1998 01:04:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13375 Hi Folks, I live in Ontario, Canada. When is it too late to start another hive? I am going to requeen one of my hives and I'm debating on whether to move the old queen to a nuc or "off with her head". Thanks Kent Article 13376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature Observations Date: 15 Jul 1998 04:35:27 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6ohbif$n6u@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35b9e7dd.28662533@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13376 Might I suggest that you locate the ext probe away from the entrance? Depending on how the bees are setting up for fanning, you could just be measuring the air temp as it exits the hive which will not be the actual ext temp. Of course, I am assuming that you want to measure the actual external temp. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail JAF wrote in article <35b9e7dd.28662533@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>... > I know this has been done, and we all know the results, but I > want to do it for myself........ > At long last, I have acquired a Min/Max Ext/Int thermometer, so I > thought I'd put the Int bit on top of the inner cover, and the Ext > probe at the hive entrance, and take daily readings, at least until I > get fed up with it. > My reason for this post is to ask for suggestions as to how I > might best organize my results in a spreadsheet programme; for > instance, how many columns, what info., etc. > It's not that I can't figure it out for myself, but there may be > some 'convention' for collating results, and I want the project to be > of some use, though it's only, initially, for fun. I will be placing > the data on my web pages, but that's a while away yet. > Post or e-mail, I don't mind; I am here every day, though. > > > Article 13377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can a marked queen become unmarked? Date: 15 Jul 1998 04:50:56 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ohcfg$n6u@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net> <6oham9$2sh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13377 May be ignorance Jack, but what is SDM? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6oham9$2sh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Don't feel too bad I just lost an irreplaceable SDM AI queen to a blooming > virgin that flew into the wrong nuc box. Luckily the mistake was caught while > graftable brood frome the SDM queen was still present and we have a number of > virgin daughters patiently awaiting AI themselves out in our virgin banks. > Point being - things can go awry real easy with bees. > > Take good care, > > Jack Griffes > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum > Article 13378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can a marked queen become unmarked? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:20:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6oham9$2sh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 15 04:20:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13378 In article <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > greetings, > > first my short question and then some looong background. > > question: can a marked queen lose her mark? i suppose it depends on > the material used to mark her, but i'm talking about a commercially > marked queen from b. weaver. > Sometimes the bees manage to take off most all of the marking (clipped wings made us look harder since we KNEW it was the original) but NOT NORMALLY. If a poor job of marking is done ALL the mark can be removed due to non-adherence to the thorax by the paint used. In your situation more than likely it was not loss of a marking but another queen being present. She was there right along but had not started laying yet when you put the Weaver "Buckfast" queen in more than likely. Make note of whether you see any cage screen biting when you do intros - even in the absence of such you can still loss some queens to that one stray cell you miss. Don't feel too bad I just lost an irreplaceable SDM AI queen to a blooming virgin that flew into the wrong nuc box. Luckily the mistake was caught while graftable brood frome the SDM queen was still present and we have a number of virgin daughters patiently awaiting AI themselves out in our virgin banks. Point being - things can go awry real easy with bees. Take good care, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:56:34 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6oe046$158@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <1998071417521400.NAA13831@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6ogdhf$ssj@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af137.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13379 I came in late on this thread. Are the grease patties for Varroa? How are they made? Nick Article 13380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.co.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Temperature Observations Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:48:30 GMT Message-ID: <35ac64eb.1135713@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35b9e7dd.28662533@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6ohbif$n6u@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-224.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-224.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13380 On 15 Jul 1998 04:35:27 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >Might I suggest that you locate the ext probe away from the entrance? >Depending on how the bees are setting up for fanning, you could just be >measuring the air temp as it exits the hive which will not be the actual >ext temp. Of course, I am assuming that you want to measure the actual >external temp. >-- >Geo Good thinking! There are 10 feet of 'lead' for the probe, so I think I'll place it some distance away, Article 13381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: myname22@aol.com (Myname22) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving brood to upper box? Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998071513435600.JAA13726@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:43:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13381 I had a crouded hive because I did not get a second brood box on my new (and only) hive. I started it in may and live in south Jersey. I wonted to elevate some of the lower crouding and increase air circulation and encourge them to draw out the coumb. I moved two brood frames to the middle of the upper box sepreated by foundation and refilled the lower box with new foundation. was the moving of the brood too agressive? they seem to be caring for the brood. Article 13382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Calif. Bee Pictures SAGE Flow Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:39:41 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35acbe07.1699828@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.14 Lines: 50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13382 Hi Bee Keepers & Friends, Brian Ferguson has sent me some pictures he just took of some of his bee's in the SAGE with some of the many wild flowers now blooming during the Sage flow thanks to the extra good rains that GOD provided us. They are special in that few commercial beekeepers who has been around as long as Brian has is all that anxious to share details of operating 12,000+ hives as all beekeepers are potential competition for a ever dwindling pasture around here and for sure if one rotten apple would steal your bees by the truck load dozens would steal your locations and think nothing of it. Brian has 5,000 hives in alfalfa pollination that will soon be moved to the Sage and Wild Buckwheat, (not the Buckwheat from NY or ILL that tastes and smells like the AFRO-worms worked it over, but it does cure cancer at least according to paid for added value research purchased with honey producer tax money). His is the kind of Wild Buckwheat honey that when you eat it and close your eyes you can taste old fashioned honey in the comb. And of course Wild Buckwheat has a premium market the world around without any hype other then its so good to eat spread on bread and dig in. It will cure a sweet tooth and add something pleasant to an empty belly. Who needs all this high price BS (bee science) about honey that should be confined to the trash rack with the latest on OJ and flying saucers at your local super market check out stand. If we can't sell our honey as Honey a natural sweetener made by our bees then we all should give it up because no amount of half truths and lies will make all these claims for its magic properties come true. Honey makes life more pleasant as a sweetener but it does not extend life or protect it from disease no matter how much money the National Honey Board gives to any university to say it does or how much of what flavor you eat. But I guess lie's and half truths are in fashion today just look at our US President who says nothing but has hired guns who say it for him that "oral sex is not sex" and its OK for the President to take advantage of any woman because he's the president and he can lie about it. In any case all are welcome to view the pictures and you will find them at the : http://beenet.com/bnews.htm ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calif. Bee Pictures SAGE Flow Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:49:16 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6oifhi$q7q@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <35acbe07.1699828@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: min-mn5-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jul 15 9:49:22 AM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13383 Honey makes life more >pleasant as a sweetener but it does not extend life or protect it from >disease no matter how much money the National Honey Board gives to any >university to say it does or how much of what flavor you eat. But I >guess lie's and half truths are in fashion today just look at our US >President who says nothing but has hired guns who say it for him that >"oral sex is not sex" and its OK for the President to take advantage >of any woman because he's the president and he can lie about it. > Careful Andy dont fall off that soapbox and hurt the old back. (VBG) I agree completely with everything you just said. It is a sad sad world we are passing thru. -- Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nntp.csuchico.edu!cancer.ecst.csuchico.edu!mdillon From: "Mark D. Hoover" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:30:43 -0700 Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cancer.ecst.csuchico.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Don In-Reply-To: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13384 Most queen breeders I know use Testers model paint. The queen can be easily marked by holding her buy one wing and a few legs. Dip the head of a strait pin into your paint and then dab the paint on her back. Very simple, very easy. Mark H On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Don wrote: > What do most people use to mark Queens or what is the best marking fluid to > use ? > Thanks Don > > > > Article 13385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:48:31 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35AD078F.984F74C6@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900532187 EDOBMGQ.FB030D018C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!pallol.usenet.co.uk!usenet.co.uk!news-xfer.mccc.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13385 -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!venus.sun.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <16644-35AB4828-1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6oef4m$597$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQDuqPFj9HYQbLbJLPbCvsPw91KGQIUK0MgC7JZBQrde+9PJrrl/xthA3A= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13386 Get you a good bee book and read it. Most of what you read will be about keeping bees in the north but the basics will be the same. The nex thing to do is call a local beekeeper, one how makes their liveing at it, and offer your labor to them for free. If you do not do these things, sell your hives now befor they die. Article 13388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can a marked queen become unmarked? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:18:05 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6ojrdd$1o9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35A934A1.EC05734@valley.net> <6oham9$2sh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ohcfg$n6u@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 16 03:18:05 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13388 In article <6ohcfg$n6u@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > May be ignorance Jack, but what is SDM? > -- > Geo SDM = Single Drone Mated - something that very likely never happens in Nature but can make for more rapid genetic change via use of AI (many bee folks insist on calling it II which stands for Instrumental Insemination). Since drones are haploid (only one set of chromosones rather than two as in diploid creatures such as us humans, along with workers and queen honeybees) their is NO genetic recombination occuring in their sperm (drones). Thus EVERY sperm from a single drone is the genetic spitting image of the rest of them - which in practical terms means that if you use SDM and that drone had what you needed then guaranteedly every female offspring of that queen inseminated SDM by that one drone WILL get from dad the gene or genes you want to pass on - they might not always get it from Mom even if she does have it (unless she has a it double dominant or double recessive) as genetic recombination is occuring in her eggs (meaning every egg ain't genetically alike). Thus via judicious use of SDM you can move a breeding program along faster. And obviously since the eggs from any one queen vary genetically the trick is finding the right drone which is quite a trick (an odds game if every their was one) as other than color and such external things you can't tell a blooming thing about a drones future get via looking at the drone. Hope that helps, Jack Griffes Coordinator of the Honeybee Improvement Program Onsted, MI jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:27:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6ojrus$2f0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 16 03:27:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13389 In article , "Mark D. Hoover" wrote: > Most queen breeders I know use Testers model paint. The queen can be > easily marked by holding her buy one wing and a few legs. Dip the head of > a strait pin into your paint and then dab the paint on her back. Very > simple, very easy. > > Mark H > > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Don wrote: > > > What do most people use to mark Queens or what is the best marking fluid to > > use ? > > Thanks Don THE simplest way currently available is using a paint pen available at art supply and some office supply stores. We use oil base for better adherence. You are wise to test a new pen first before using it on the first queen - some pens flow VERY fast and you can baptize a queen in paint with one of them. Most pens we have used worked perfect though and they are A LOT faster and easier and handier to use than the model paint we used to use. The paint pens come in a variety of colors. Yes you can hold the queen by her wings or by at least two legs to mark her. It is IMO easier though to hold her by the sides of her thorax - though you may get a titch of paint on yourself thata way. It does seem a bit less distressing to the queen to be held by the thorax also. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Date: 16 Jul 1998 17:41:35 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ole0f$4eo@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.66 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13390 Or to regulate the internal temp. What's the weather like? If it is hot, they are probably just out there so they are not generating heat in the hive. Mine do this every evening as outside temps reach 100's F. But now that I see your domain name I doubt if it is that hot in the UK. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Salvador Calderòn wrote in article <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon>... > Because it is about to swarm > > Nick Cooke escribió en artículo > ... > > Why wwould one of my colonies have a largish clusyer of bees at the > entrance > > looking for all the world as if a small swarm had hung up there? > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > Article 13391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998071619492900.PAA06753@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1998 19:49:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13391 It is hot There is an abundance of house bees The nectar flow is over Poor ventillation Preparing to swarm. Odds are that this hive built up on the nectar flow and that now that it is over there is little work to do for the field bees and an abundance of house bees. Article 13392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!jussieu.fr!cea.fr!not-for-mail From: "Pascal Lallement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers in Calgary Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:33 +0200 Organization: Gard France Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6olkcn$h1h$1@news.cea.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: boss.valrho.cea.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13392 Is anyone on this newsgroup located in Calgary (Canada), I am a french hobby beekeeper and i came in Calgary for 2 weeks (from 7/28/98 to 8/12/98). I want to see beekeeper or hobby beekeeper. Thanks Pascal ------------------- Pascal Lallement e-mail : pascal.lallement@i.am Site Url : http://www.interlog.fr/pascal Article 13393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lawsuit Alleging Mass Bee Attack Date: 16 Jul 1998 21:52:44 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 110 Message-ID: <6olsnc$8at$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13393 Hello Everyone, I am pleased to announce the successful conclusion of a lawsuit targeting me and some of my bees. (I think the real target was my property insurance carrier, however.) The action was initiated in Sept., 97 and concluded this May - but I only this afternoon received confirmation that the plaintiff is not appealing. I was found completely unliable and also free of any negligence whatsoever. None of the plaintiff's claims could be or were substantiated by the arbitration panel. I don't want to take up a lot of space on the details of the case unless folks request particulars - and there certainly are some humorous aspects - but I did learn a few things and make some observations that might be useful to others on the newsgroup, particularly those having colonies in suburban or residential urban areas. Some observations (not in any particular order): 1) Nobody that I interacted with in the course of the suit (e.g., my attorney, the palintiff's attorney, court reporters, arbitrators-judges, insurance carriers - and the plaintiff himself) had any knowledge about bees or beekeeping to begin with. I think (as beekeepers) it's easy to forget that even relatively well-educated people know next to nothing about bees. What this meant was that I had to thoroughly document (or appear capable of doing so) various basic but very pertinent points. The other point is that, if this happens to you, don't be surprised if the persons you have to interact with know absolutely nothing about the topic, even though they are after a substantial chunk of your property or bank account! 2) Keep your neighbors apprised of the fact that you keep bees and that you do respect their right to enjoyment of their property. This is not the same thing as implying that they have the right to veto your right to keep bees, it just confirms and establishes a certain degree of good will and responsibility. The fact that all my other neighbors and neighboring landlords believe and were willing to testify to the fact that I seem to know what I am doing regarding my beekeeping (ha, tell that to the mites!), and that in 7 years there'd never been a single complaint or problem, HELPED enormously in terms of my own credibility. 3) Which brings me to the observation that ultimately, the case came down to a judgement call by the arbitration panel (3 attorneys who act as judges) between what I had to say about the matter and what the plaintiff did, SINCE the plaintiff had no documentation to verify his claim of extended hospital stays, broken teeth, a broken wrist, etc., etc. Hence, subjective issues such as neighbors' perceptions made a difference. 4) The other issue the case came down to was that of basic liability. According to the liability laws of the state where the alleged incident occurred, I was not liable because I was (1) not doing anything illegal by keeping bees, (2) was not negligent (but THIS was ultimately a judgement call based on information I provided the panel on standard beekeepin practice), and (3) bees, per se, are not necessarily hazardous. Note that the fact that I could point to several years without a problem, and document that beekeepers do take docility into account in breeding or maintaining their stock, helped quite a bit in this part of the determination. 5) Keep written records!!! Even noting that you have a colony and maintaining regular brief entries in a notebook about colony status and temperment will be very helpful. Again, it bolsters your own credibility, and may actually save your hide if important details that you have recorded contradict the plaintiff's allegation. (In my case, the fact that I had noted the existence of ground-nesting yellowjacket colony on the plaintiff's property two weeks before the alleged attack certainly cast doubt on the plaintiff's assurance that it was my bees that had attacked him.) 6) Keep your equipment clean, tidy, and painted. You don't want to have the plaintiff show up in court with a pile of photos taken by a detective agency that depict a poorly maintained site! (In my case the detective's ignorance helped quite a bit. They took a bunch of pictures of empty nuke boxes stacked on their sides... in the middle of the winter... and tried to claim this is where the bees had come from. But had the place been a mess and had they taken the pictures in the summer, it could have been harder to explain - not to beekeepers, but to lawyers, remember...) 7) In general, if you have chronically unemployed, or unemployable neighbors, with dispositions toward drug abuse, be very wary about your beekeeping activities, and consider moving them somewhere else if you do not want to deal with the risk of a lawsuit. (If the small but very real risk does not outweigh the pleasures and rewards of a colony or two in your backyard, then keep in mind the other comments I made.) 8) Don't keep more than one or two strong colonies in a suburban or residential urban location. I was keeping 5 breeding nukes in a residential urban location. This meant that during the deposition (and remember you only get to answer questions, not phrase them or volunteer information at depositions) I had to articulate that a breeding nuke doesn't exactly have the same dimensions and numbers of bees as full-fledged langstroths stacked 5 or 6 unit high in the midst of a honey flow... Also remember that to you or I, 40,000 bees in a moderate colony does not sound like much... but it looks different in a courtroom. 9) Make sure your property insurance carrier knows you have bees; and make sure you convey to them that you take them (the insurer) and their "risk" in carrying you seriously, i.e., that you aren't going to knowingly do anything to risk a claim against you/them. 10) Make sure you know what your state and locality's laws are regarding bees. If you have to register with an inspector, having done so will be helpful in such a case - not having done so can have liability implications. Well, that's it. I hope nobody else on the newsgroup ever has to deal with this. It was, as an acreage-owning uncle of mine predicted with a chuckle, "an instructive" experience, but not one I wish to deal with again. Dave T. Article 13394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:06:41 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 37 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13394 Hi all, I have been beekeeping for little over a year now and already my stocks have increased from two hives to four with the collection of swarms. One swarm moved into my spare hive of its own accord (was that a sight when a cloud of bees arrived in my back garden and took up residence), and the othe I collected from someones back garden where it had been for a fortnight and had already started making itself comb up in to tree where it had settled. Now I have been asked to look at another swarm in a nearby tree that again has been there for a similar length of time and does look as if it is making some comb. I was always under the assumption, (and the text books seem to say this), that the swarm has about five days supply of honey with it and the scouts will find a suitable undercover site during that time for them to move into. I suppose that if a site isn't found in that time then they must have to build a store and go foraging. My questions are: Is this normal behaviour to start building a nest out in the open? Is this just a temporary home until a better nest site is found? If I were to hive the swarm nearby would they still return to the tree now that they have started foraging? (bearing in mind the three feet, three miles rule). Many thanks for any advice from those with much more wisdom and experience than me (After a year I am becoming very much aware of what there is to learn, and still regard myself as a tial beginner). Paul. Article 13395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Date: 17 Jul 1998 16:07:29 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 64 Message-ID: <6onss1$nf1$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13395 Hello Paul, Please see responses with your questions. Paul Waites (prw3@york.ac.uk) wrote: : Hi all, : I have been beekeeping for little over a year now and already my stocks : have increased from two hives to four with the collection of swarms. One : swarm moved into my spare hive of its own accord (was that a sight when a : cloud of bees arrived in my back garden and took up residence), and the : othe I collected from someones back garden where it had been for a : fortnight and had already started making itself comb up in to tree where : it had settled. : Now I have been asked to look at another swarm in a nearby tree that : again has been there for a similar length of time and does look as if it : is making some comb. : I was always under the assumption, (and the text books seem to say this), : that the swarm has about five days supply of honey with it and the scouts : will find a suitable undercover site during that time for them to move : into. I suppose that if a site isn't found in that time then they must : have to build a store and go foraging. : My questions are: : Is this normal behaviour to start building a nest out in the open? Not in temperate zones, but yes, in the tropics. : Is this just a temporary home until a better nest site is found? Probably not. When this happens in Pennsylvania, the colony, if not relocated, perishes in the winter. : If I were to hive the swarm nearby would they still return to the tree : now that they have started foraging? (bearing in mind the three feet, : three miles rule). The general "rules" about removals and hive moving apply here. In other words, yes, some or most of the foragers will return to the site if you hive them nearby. However, yes, there are "tricks" you can use to get around this and minimize losses. What I would recommend is that you hive the swarm WITH the comb in an empty hive-body, with the comb(s)in upside down. [Use a sharp serrated knife to cut the comb into rectangels to fit into empty frames and hold them in with two large rubber bands around the frames.] On top of this hivebody, place a second hive body with one or two frames of brood (no nurse bees) from one of your other colonies, and the rest of the space filled with drawn or semi-drawn frames. The bees will rear the existing eggs and larva to maturity, but not rear additional brood in the upside down comb, meanwhile moving to the other hivebody. Remove the first story in three weeks - before they start running out of space and filling it with cross-comb. Incidentally, If you can't move them a few miles (per hivemoving procedures) I'd place this new hived colony directly below the place in the tree where it was originally located. You may lose a few foragers, but most should drift down to the new location... But whatever you do, don't leave any comb on the old location... They'll just come back and start rebuilding, in spite of the lack of a queen. DT Article 13396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: orchard bees Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:00:14 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35AFE58E.6E98@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d172.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 18 Jul 1998 00:12:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13396 Are these better than honeybees for polination. I have a block of wood with holes drilled in it hung on a tree in cenral Mass. Are they just supposed to move in? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mites Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:21:03 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 900716478 nnrp-05:29710 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13397 In article <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com>, RTW65 writes >I have no indication af varroa in my hives. Do I still need to use apistan this >fall? Personally I wont treat until I see evidence so therefore I wouldn't recommend prophelactic treatment to anyone else. Would you take aspirin when you haven't got a headache? -- Tom S Article 13398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <24748-35AFE6AF-2@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRaaLK8dRCubbrrtTdkEbZGOel+VAIUJR4sEXJCmrqlzVZZNYL30crby98= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13398 Most beekeepers who make a liveing with bees do not use inter covers. They do not use tele. covers and they do not put rocks on top of their hives. My hives were in south FLORIDA during H- Andrew and never had a lid blown off. I Sure do not see the need for a inter cover. Article 13399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lawsuit Alleging Mass Bee Attack Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:05:18 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35AFE6BE.4B90@ultranet.com> References: <6olsnc$8at$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d172.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 18 Jul 1998 00:17:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: David J Trickett Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13399 David J Trickett wrote: > > > > 7) In general, if you have chronically unemployed, or unemployable > neighbors, with dispositions toward drug abuse, be very wary about your > beekeeping activities, and consider moving them somewhere else if you do > not want to deal with the risk of a lawsuit. (If the small but very real > risk does not outweigh the pleasures and rewards of a colony or two in > your backyard, then keep in mind the other comments I made.) Can you post his address in case somone in cyberland wants to mail him a large paper wasp nest? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees honey Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:57:27 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35b00d88.13851847@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup258.tnkno.usit.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13401 After bottling about 100 lbs of honey today I left my 5 gal buckets on a table outside. Arter a couple of hours I went out to get them and there must have been a couple of thousand bees in both the buckets sucking up what I couldn't scrape out. alot of the bees had go stuck in the honey and others had piled on top. all around the bottom of the table there were bees on the ground with there butts in the air weaving back and forth. By dark it looked as though I had killed a few hundred bees. Why were they wobbling around like that. I have left cappings out before and the bees covered them up and cleaned up the honey in no time flat. Thanks, Richard Richard (take out the NoCrap for e-mail) Article 13402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Midnite Bees Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:26 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ooul5$dhb$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust81.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01BDB1CB.CAA79660" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13402 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BDB1CB.CAA79660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know where I can get information on Midnite bees??? ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BDB1CB.CAA79660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know where I can get = information on=20 Midnite bees???
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BDB1CB.CAA79660-- Article 13403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Salvador Calderòn" Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Organization: Pemex Refinaciòn Message-ID: <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 170.76.253.7 Date: 16 Jul 1998 08:51:27 -0600 X-Trace: 16 Jul 1998 08:51:27 -0600, 170.76.253.7 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.acnet.net!170.76.253.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13403 Because it is about to swarm Nick Cooke escribió en artículo ... > Why wwould one of my colonies have a largish clusyer of bees at the entrance > looking for all the world as if a small swarm had hung up there? > > Nick > > > > > Article 13404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unknown Beetles Destroying Hives Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:00:37 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <35A9A79A.EC6B86D4@ican.net> <01bdaed0$69d15900$2b9131cc@CrestviewInternet> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af137.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13404 I think that the best idea would be to use three columns. Temporal data on column A and the temperatures on columns B and C With this data you could then plot a graph with Time/Date along the x axis and two temperature lines along the y axis. HTH Nick Article 13405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clustering around the entrance Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:02:34 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af137.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13405 Why wwould one of my colonies have a largish clusyer of bees at the entrance looking for all the world as if a small swarm had hung up there? Nick Article 13406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998071804110800.AAA24378@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jul 1998 04:11:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <24748-35AFE6AF-2@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13406 Gee I never heard of one of those there inter covers. They anything like an inner cover? Sorry, just having a little fun. They serve many a very useful purpose. Keeps your top cover from being glued down. Makes a excellent place to spread medication on for foulbrood. Can be used as a bee escape board. Can be placed under supers that have been extracted so the bee can clean them. (why this one, I have yet to figure out, but it's what I was told). Well thats enough from me. But I'm sure you will get more. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 13407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:04:14 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af166.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13407 In article <01bdb0c7$22f71300$0c01148f@scalderon>, "Salvador Calderòn" wrote: > > Because it is about to swarm > > Nick Cooke escribió en artículo > ... > > Why wwould one of my colonies have a largish clusyer of bees at the > entrance > > looking for all the world as if a small swarm had hung up there? > > > > Nick > > Really! That's odd because the colony is a swarm that I took about 6 weeks ago. Nick Article 13408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:11:54 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af166.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13408 In article <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk>, Paul Waites wrote: > > Is this normal behaviour to start building a nest out in the open? > > I have never found bees nest. They are certainly not viable through an English winter (especially in York!) Nick Article 13409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "FM" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Web Site Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:51:42 +0200 Organization: BELGACOM-SKYNET SA/NV Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6oqede$tdk$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup79.namur.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 900775150 30132 (None) 195.238.8.79 X-Complaints-To: news@skynet.be X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13409 Pour ceux qui ne le sauraient pas encore, j'ai ouvert une page personnelle dédiée à ma passion: l'apiculture. Et plus modestement, aux Compagnons de Saint-Ambroise, section gembloutoise (Belgique) de l'Union Royale des Ruchers Wallons. Le site est maintenant ouvert et peut être considéré comme "opérationnel" depuis cette après-midi. Certes, il est encore très peu fourni, mais j'espère pouvoir l'étoffer dans un avenir assez proche. Si le coeur vous en dit allez lui rendre une petite visite à l'adresse http://users.skynet.be/csa Inscrivez-le éventuellement dans vos favoris et donnez-moi surtout vos remarques, commentaires et suggestions visant à son amélioration. Fred Martin Tel.: 00 32 (0)81 / 61 45 38 fred.martin@skynet.be Article 13410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite Bees Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998071817332300.NAA00982@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jul 1998 17:33:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6ooul5$dhb$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13410 they are a dark gentle bee Yorks sells them Article 13411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mites Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:53:15 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998071808531575982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13411 The message from Tom Speight contains these words: > In article <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com>, RTW65 > writes > >I have no indication af varroa in my hives. Do I still need to use apistan this > >fall? > Personally I wont treat until I see evidence so therefore I wouldn't > recommend prophelactic treatment to anyone else. > Would you take aspirin when you haven't got a headache? > -- > Tom S Without doubt, if I had a heart condition. My father takes aspirin every day as a prophylactic for heart failure, Phil. Article 13412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:49:27 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35B0EE37.3D415C2A@bigfoot.com> References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net> <35aba8b0.0@209.149.100.15> <35ABB696.3BADB769@fcbl.net> Reply-To: circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900787568 EDOBMGQ.FB031D018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13412 > How about you just giving me the address or phone number and I will call or write them? Nobody knows of a local beekeeping association around here. Or maby the address of the newsletter? Larry > Darrell Laney wrote: > >> If you will e-mail me.....off group....with your address and phone I >> will >> call the local beekeeper Assoc. in your area and have someone from >> there >> give you a call....Alabama has one of the best and most organized >> beekeepers >> Assoc. in the US. >> The president of the Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. live in your area and >> the >> local Assoc. has over 50 members...They also produce a very good >> newsletter >> called "The Smoker"..... > >> >Remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying > circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mites Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <28290-35B12744-42@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998071808531575982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQkYUQ6uxkjAOdG4MOpS9F1CMX6SwIUaFtSSPNTvbQ/SAHTW8XMOxF/A9g= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13413 Not to treat unless you see v-mites may be good if you do not have many hives but if you can not check each hive . which is the case for most hives in the U. S. , you had better assume you have mites and 99% of the time you will this will be true and treat. BUD Article 13414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:53:29 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35b1280a.649885@news.gate.net> References: <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl6-30.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13414 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:11:54 BST, Nick Cooke wrote: >> Is this normal behaviour to start building a nest out in the open? >> >> >I have never found bees nest. They are certainly not viable through an >English winter (especially in York!) We see them all the time here in South Florida. Big Dave Article 13415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: orchard bees Date: 18 Jul 1998 23:19:23 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6orahr$2vp@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <35AFE58E.6E98@ultranet.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13415 Not better, different. Solitary bees (Orchard Mason Bees, in your question) have a very short active life. The Mason bee emerges to coincide with the flowering of many deciduous fruit trees. The female will mate, lay eggs, gather food (and pollinate flowers) within a month, more or less. The nests are dormant for the rest of the year. You can manipulate emergence by keeping the nest blocks or tubes at temps which are below that at which the bees customarily emerge. There are web sites and books available which will answer most of your questions. As a pollinator, they are quite efficient while they're active. Far more efficient, bee for bee, than the honey bee. But there are far fewer of them. Size of the holes or tubes is very important since the sex of the emerging bees is influenced if not controlled by that diameter. In a previous article, drgonfly@ultranet.com (Marc Andelman) says: >Are these better than honeybees for polination. I have >a block of wood with holes drilled in it hung on a tree >in cenral Mass. Are they just supposed to move in? > > >Regards, >Marc Andelman > -- Article 13416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.entelchile.net!admin From: "Luis Almagro Díaz Coli" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: selling my great cattle ranch Date: 19 Jul 1998 04:17:43 GMT Organization: Entel S.A. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <01bdb2b3$73754fc0$7a8f4fcf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc51-122.entelchile.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13416 ¡!!We are selling¡¡¡ 6800 acres of fine lands in the Chilean Patagony (cattle ranch). A great and beautiful place in the Last Hope channel, close to the Torres del Paine National Park, sorrounded by most of the known glaciers in Chile. 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Article 13417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dugan1@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Will bees re-use wax? Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:12:02 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6oro62$6ht$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.204.144 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 19 03:12:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13417 I put on a new super today, with new foundation. Since I also had to clean off some burr comb, I left the burr comb scrapings on top of the frames in the new super. Will this save the bees some nectar in drawing out the foundation? More importantly, have I made a mistake in doing this? -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Want to learn Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <15694-35B17548-687@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998071020230500.QAA15185@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAs+S3hzOH2FFZZ1JGebe5uHuIbx4CFFt/LSV2tkm0+9hlHmDTZKLmEKFn Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13418 I'd like to have information on the conference to be held in Raleigh next month. I plan to visit there that week and would very much like to attend at least one day. Thanks for whatever help you can give me. Article 13419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:21:12 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6oqi1o$ue7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 18 16:21:12 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13419 > Why wwould one of my colonies have a largish clusyer of bees at the entrance > looking for all the world as if a small swarm had hung up there? You have some good replies already, here is another: If there is not enough super room, the bees will hang out, or if you have recently removed supers and put back on fewer than before, some bees will be temporarily displaced. Once they get used to less space, they will not hang out so much. A good way to reduce hanging out is to introduce some foundation to the hive. Since bees must cluster to draw it, they will -- all other things being equal -- tend to cluster there. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will bees re-use wax? Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <28871-35B1CF80-18@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6oro62$6ht$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQOXtnB55CXE6/WDfltMVHGnD/2EwIUUOCxYeFV4jPaDXuqS6eMRsyfm6k= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13420 I know that they will not do anything to that new foundation unless ther is a honey flow on or you feed them real good. They will use some old wax to seal honey sometime. I do not think i have ever seen them use old wax to make new comb. BUD Article 13421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998071916251300.MAA25596@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1998 16:25:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35AB7C31.6A8D6F7A@cdac.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13421 I'm sure "after pepper" refers to the growing season of peppers. Red peppers, yellow peppers, and green peppers. But some people just find the need to be mean on a daily basis. Share info and grow Article 13422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1998071917445800.NAA04393@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1998 17:44:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071916251300.MAA25596@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13422 > >I'm sure "after pepper" refers to the growing season of peppers. Red >peppers, >yellow peppers, and green peppers. But some people just find the need to be >mean on a daily basis. > > >Share info and grow > > > > > > I bet it means Brazillian pepper an imported noxious weed that is a good honey plant. Article 13423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering in the South Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1153-35B2408F-51@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1998071917445800.NAA04393@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRsCB6FBaQTQnnxV9SohKwNPzQbCwIUDt+rl7kHh4aVuYVxSkys4SCjgUk= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13423 If you are a beekeeper in the state of Florida it would be very hard to not know what "pepper" is. Every plant book about bees in Florida I've ever read had it in it. This made me think that the person who ask the question did very little background checks. Pepper is in every county south of the frost line in the state. IT is a major honey plant in he state. Most all beekeepers in the state have use it from time to time. IT blooms on the west coast starting about Sept. 1 . The major problem with it is the spray planes , if you do not get sprayed you can make 100 pounds with a good hive of bees. The flow last about 6 weeks just like the other 2 major flows in the state does. If I offended anyone I did not intend to I just told them what I did when I started keeping bees. I still think it is the best thing anyone can do if they think they want to keep bees. I guess I've been around these damn Yanks too long . Article 13424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:06:56 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 43 Message-ID: <35B251E0.504831E0@mines.edu> References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) To: beesbest@mediaone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13424 Kathy wrote: > If the original poster has never marked queens before (sorry I'm late to > this thread, been away @ EAS), he or she would do well to practice with > drones. I've read that workers will raise a new queen if you get the > paint on her anywhere but on her thorax, and you don't want to injure > her abdomen (easy to do) or pull out any legs or wings, as they will > allegedly reject her then also. > > Kathy > (who, like Jack, also uses a paint pen) > This is a good bit of information for me. I recently re-queened one of my hives with a Buckfast Queen from Weaver's. I had ordered her marked and she came to me with a strong blue dot, but when I cheked on her a few weeks later, the paint had apparently flaked off leaving only a small blue ring around the circumpherance of the original dot. I re-marked her with typing correction fluid (white-out), but unfortunately either she jumped or I twitched and I ended up pretty well painting her thorax, the bases of her wings, and a bit of her abdomen. It wasn't pretty, and she promptly began to try to "groom" it off with her middle legs, further spreading the mess. A week or two later, I noticed supercedure cells in the hive which I tore out and the bees promptly re-built. After doing this twice, I have decided to just let them do their thing. She doesn't seem to be laying very well anyway, and maybe this is the reason for the supercedure rather than the white-out, or maybe the white out is why she isn't laying very well, but in any case I will certainly be more careful next time, and probably will make some small screen wire cage I can pin her in before I try to mark her instead of just trying to dab a drop of paint on her while she is running free on the comb like I did this time. Another interesting point though is that I did about the same thing to an Italian Queen last year with no apparent ill effects. And she sure was easy to find with all that white on her! Brian Allen Article 13425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:42:03 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af124.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13425 In article <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > Canola > oil Wassat please? Is it the liquid paraffin? Nick Article 13426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!fastnet!uunet!in5.uu.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:45:11 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6oqi1o$ue7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af124.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13426 Thanks for all the ideas folks. I will go through that hive tomorrow, weather permitting and let you know what I have found. Nick Article 13427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998071921561200.RAA20444@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1998 21:56:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13427 >So, practice on drones... it will familiarize you with handling & >marking bees without gloves and you don't get stung or damage a good >queen. It might be interesting to mark drones from one hive and see where they end up. Article 13428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disapointing Year Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:57:35 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35b268f7.8191333@news.earthlink.net> References: <35b2308e.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust49.tnt32.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13428 josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) wrote: > I don't know how the rest of you are doing but this year my bees just didn't >do well at all. > ONE high note was some of these hives were packages from Ed Norman in Ramer >Al... these are the most docil Italians I have seen and they built up quite >quickly on thier own. Please consider Mr. Norman when sending out for >packages and queens..but PLEASE wait for me to get my order in.:) Sorry to learn of you poor season. It has been a strange year for weather here in Dallas, too. We had a mild winter with enough rain, but it has been very DRY for the past few months. Still, my bees and I did manage about 100 pounds per colony. It is so dry now that the bees are working the juice from peaches in the orchard. I "ditto" your recommendation of Ed Norman's bees (334-562-3357). I only bought 10 this year, but they built up nicely (lost one at intro). A nice yellow bee, and all appeared to have mated pure (no dark bees). They are nicely priced too ($7). I had been concerned that the lower price might mean lower quality, but this this was not true in my experience. Cheers, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 13429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: myname22@aol.com (Myname22) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how do I split my hive? Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998071922260900.SAA08082@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1998 22:26:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13429 I live in south Jersey and have only one hive. I would like to split my hive. When is the best time of year (and the latest safe time) to split the hive? Can I just take out a nuck and put it into an adjecent brood box or will the bees just go back to the first hive if I don't move it a few miles? Article 13430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <141-35B289F8-38@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwJuZlB5Ys6QcShoWrx5USHvG+c0CFEjrj2lQkGcRC58SUULU/BFlwcS/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13430 I'll try and explain if I do not misspell too many words. There are a lot of ways of makeing grease patties here is how we do it. You mix veg grease and sugar at the rate of 1-2 , one pound of grease and two pounds of sugar. We use the hard kind of grease and heat it a little and then add the sugar and mix it. I use a 1/2inch drill with a plaster mixing attachment to mix 5 pounds of grease and 10 pounds of sugar in a 5 gallon bucket. This will do about 75 hives. If you won't to mix a small amount, slip into the kitchen after your wife goes to bed and use her mixer she will never know the difference. The pattie is for the T-mite. BUD Article 13431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disapointing Year Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:57:41 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35B2B225.559F@galstar.com> References: <35b2308e.0@news3.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13431 Mushroom wrote: > > I don't know how the rest of you are doing but this year my bees just didn't > do well at all. The early spring ( I didn't have them ready) turned real wet > for weeks. It just seems like when the wet weather left us the bloom was > over.:( > > I am in Central Indiana. I have a small apiary ( 16 hives) and I can see it > is going to be an expensive year for sugar. Any idea what/where I might obtain > less expensive sugar for feeding...the manager at local cheap stores rub thier > hands and do a Snidely Whiplash laugh when I come in for 300+ lbs sugar. > > *sigh* I failed my bees and they responded in kind. > > ONE high note was some of these hives were packages from Ed Norman in Ramer > Al... these are the most docil Italians I have seen and they built up quite > quickly on thier own. Please consider Mr. Norman when sending out for > packages and queens..but PLEASE wait for me to get my order in.:) I have been using a sugar, Liquid sugar, that I buy at a local manufacturing, Baking, supply. It is a base sugar. I mix it 50/50 for a 1 to 1 equivlent. It comes in a 60 lb. container. It is very easy to use. We usually buy 10 containers at a time. It usually cost about $6.50 for a 60 lb. container. There is a supplier in Ill. I have talked to him on the phone but I just can not recall his name or the company. Just look in the yellow pages under sugars and start calling. That was the way I found my supplier. Good Luck, gw Article 13432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcslnluv@aol.com (Wcslnluv) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: * * *Bees make a home under my picture window Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998072002453800.WAA27715@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1998 02:45:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6o47ch$9nn@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13432 Brett Lothrop, You have yourself a swarm of Italian Honey Bees. Just leave them alone and they will leave on their own when ready. Bama Bee Boy Article 13433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcslnluv@aol.com (Wcslnluv) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998072002380700.WAA26691@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1998 02:38:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13433 Larry, Central Alabama honey flow begins in late March or early April and ends in late June or early July. Hope this is some help to you.... Good luck with your bees !!!! W.C. Article 13434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa mites Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:38:29 +0100 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 900910778 nnrp-07:23158 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13434 In article <1998071212071301.IAA19577@ladder01.news.aol.com>, RTW65 writes >I have no indication af varroa in my hives. Do I still need to use apistan this >fall? By "no indication", I assume that you mean that you have uncapped drone brood and found no evidence of varroa. If you keep on doing this and find no evidence, then I think it is safe not to treat them (this is my intention also). If you do find varroa in one colony, I think that you must assume that it is also in other colonies within the apiary and treat for varroa on an apiary basis. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Article 13435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: Robin Arnold Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:09:23 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc46.cros.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.ispnews.com 900939485 11363 206.244.102.141 (20 Jul 1998 12:58:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:58:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13435 Hi everyone! I am sure this question has probably been asked before and I am sorry for the repeat but I haven't been able to find the answer in any of my books. I am a beginning beekeeper(one week) and am extremely confused:) I bought two strong hives that are ready for supers. I was advised to go with cut comb my first year. I was also told not to use a queen excluder and from what I can gather this is because worker bees don't like to pass through them . My question is this: what keeps the queen out of the super? Can she get in there and lay eggs? I don't want to give away cut comb honey or worse yet sell it and have someone chomp down on a big juicey larva. BTW I have really enjoyed this group so far and have already learned a lot. Thanks, Robin Port Clinton, OH. Article 13436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.69.200.14!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!diablo.metronet.com!209.242.64.100.MISMATCH!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Production From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:38:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.64 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:38:08 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13436 I am a beekeeper in North East Louisiana which runs 300 colonies for honey. Our production this year has been great with colonies producing more than the average of 115 lbs so far. The weather is helping a great deal if your bees are near water with good vegetation growth. I was hoping for those of you who read this will also post condition in your area as an attachment so others will also learn about honey production around the country and world. For beekeepers to get more money for their honey they need to know how much honey the world is producing. Article 13437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clustering around the entrance Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:34:29 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6oqi1o$ue7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af022.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13437 I had a good look through the hive this afternoon. Everything seems boringly normal; brood of different ages, no obvious disease, plenty of room. There has not been a huge honey flow for the past week or so but today they found something and were working it hard. I didn't bother to go and have a look at what they were finding but it was something quite attractive to the east of here. Nick Article 13438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:44:14 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af022.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13438 I always use a little cage to hold the queen still while I mark her. the cage is circular has a 1/4" mesh of nylon threads on the top and sharp pins around the sides. The idea is that you find the queen and place the cage over her. The surrounding workers remove themselves between the spikes and when the queen has sufficient clear room around her you gently press the cage into the comb until the queen is immobilised. She usually is trapped with the thorax neatly in the sqare between adjacent nylon threads. I amlaws use special queen marking paint which comes in a little bottle with a brush that I never use. I apply the paint with a match stick. Its all very simple. The hardest part is still finding the queen! Nick Article 13439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:52:04 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35B39FE4.6B40@galstar.com> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: star083188.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13439 Robin Arnold wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I am sure this question has probably been asked before and I am sorry > for the repeat but I haven't been able to find the answer in any of my > books. > > I am a beginning beekeeper(one week) and am extremely confused:) I > bought two strong hives that are ready for supers. I was advised to go > with cut comb my first year. I was also told not to use a queen excluder > and from what I can gather this is because worker bees don't like to > pass through them . > > My question is this: what keeps the queen out of the super? Can she get > in there and lay eggs? I don't want to give away cut comb honey or worse > yet sell it and have someone chomp down on a big juicey larva. > > BTW I have really enjoyed this group so far and have already learned a > lot. > > Thanks, > Robin > Port Clinton, OH. I would go ahead and use a Queen Excluder They will never know the difference. I use a double brood box for the bees and then I install a Queen Excluder. Supers go on top of that. This way I do not need to worry if I am going to bite a larva. Good luck, gw Article 13440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:09:38 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust72.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: Robin Arnold Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13440 Contrary to what some believe, the only way to keep a queen below the honey supers is to use an excluder. Been there done that and I now use excluders on all of my hives. Good luck in the future. BYTW, I've been told if one uses two deep brood boxes there is less chance for the queen to moue up because she has much more room to lay her eggs. Don Article 13441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:51:25 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 43 Message-ID: <35B3D7E9.3453@kingston.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gk3-206.47.80.6.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gollum.kingston.net 900964919 6728 206.47.80.6 (20 Jul 1998 20:01:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1998 20:01:59 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13441 Robin Arnold wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I am sure this question has probably been asked before and I am sorry > for the repeat but I haven't been able to find the answer in any of my > books. > > I am a beginning beekeeper(one week) and am extremely confused:) I > bought two strong hives that are ready for supers. I was advised to go > with cut comb my first year. I was also told not to use a queen excluder > and from what I can gather this is because worker bees don't like to > pass through them . > > My question is this: what keeps the queen out of the super? Can she get > in there and lay eggs? I don't want to give away cut comb honey or worse > yet sell it and have someone chomp down on a big juicey larva. > > BTW I have really enjoyed this group so far and have already learned a > lot. > > Thanks, > Robin > Port Clinton, OH. Hi Robin, It can be abit tricky not using a queen excluder. The queen will not cross a honey barrier. That is, as the honey flow increases the bees will begin to store more honey in the second deep box thereby pushing the queen down to the lower chamber. What you want to happen ideally is to have a good honey flow. This will cause the bees to draw out the cut comb quickly and store honey in it. This is why some beekeepers will reduce the room in the hive and crowd the bees to the point of swarming. It puts more bees into the honey super. There is also talk about using Ross Rounds for the first super as the queen does not like to lay in that setup then putting your regular comb supers on after. I agree though with GW, put an excluder on since your beginning. The draw back is that it could delay the bees from moving up. Oh yea, don't worry about biting into a nice fat juicy grub, the capping are very different from honey:-) Kent Stienburg Article 13442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: 20 Jul 1998 21:39:47 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 71 Message-ID: <6p0df3$ckg@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13442 Having a recent experience with a Q that liked to go all the way to the top, I'll respond with my observations and remedies. Keep in mind that in Ohio you may do things differently than here in California. Unfortunately, once a Q lays in a frame of cut-comb, it's pretty much ruined for this purpose. The brood can always be hatched out but the wax will be discolored. My Q in question seemed to have an uncanny ability to select those frames in a mixed super which had the thin surplus foundation. When you say ready for surpers, I assume you mean 2 deeps fully drawn for the brood. If not, I would not attempt to super until you have 2 deeps. IMO, a big mistake would be to add a 2nd deep of foundation at the same time you add a super. If there is a good flow on the bees will pretty much keep her below if she has the space. Just remember that what is space to you is not necessarily space to a bee so REVERSE THE BROOD BOXES. This means that in a 2 deep hive you break it down to the bottom board and put the deep that was preiously on the top on the bottom, then the other on top. The Q will likely have a preference for moving up and will now have all this new "bee" space. Once they start to store nectar and cap a shallow super, it is unlikely that the Q will move up past this "honey barrier". If you use an excluder when you add your first super, you may be able to remove it at this time. This worked for me. But they are bees so the rules are subject to revision. Don't rule out an excluder. Sometimes you just can't get around using one if you want comb or cut-comb honey. You can still stagger the super above it to give the field bees an entrance directly to the supers. BTW, I always add my cut-comb last. By mid summer there is plenty of honey stored in the supers, I know which Q's will move up, and the Star Thistle is going strong and it makes an excellent pale yellow cut-comb thru Oct. Finally, I am not sure how long posts stay on DejaNews but I started a thread in late May on Q's laying in supers and got some great info. Try a search of "queen laying in super" or "queen ex". -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Robin Arnold wrote in article <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net>... > Hi everyone! > > I am sure this question has probably been asked before and I am sorry > for the repeat but I haven't been able to find the answer in any of my > books. > > I am a beginning beekeeper(one week) and am extremely confused:) I > bought two strong hives that are ready for supers. I was advised to go > with cut comb my first year. I was also told not to use a queen excluder > and from what I can gather this is because worker bees don't like to > pass through them . > > My question is this: what keeps the queen out of the super? Can she get > in there and lay eggs? I don't want to give away cut comb honey or worse > yet sell it and have someone chomp down on a big juicey larva. > > BTW I have really enjoyed this group so far and have already learned a > lot. > > Thanks, > Robin > Port Clinton, OH. > > > > Article 13443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!ayse From: ayse@netcom.com (Ayse Sercan) Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Message-ID: Organization: Blue Room Brewery and Press References: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:11:12 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: ayse@netcom14.netcom.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13443 Nick Cooke wrote: >beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: >> Canola oil > >Wassat please? > >Is it the liquid paraffin? No; in Europe, it is more commonly known as rapeseed oil. For some reason, US consumers don't like that name. -- ayse@netcom.com "Ayse has called innocent children 'mad hippies' to their faces." -- neiliili Article 13444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Berny" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:49:32 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6p0e5a$h$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <141-35B289F8-38@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust65.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13444 Where exactly is the best place to put the patties? Article 13445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:39:48 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 38 Message-ID: <35B3F164.59E4B3DA@valley.net> References: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-150.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13445 Ayse Sercan wrote: > Nick Cooke wrote: > >beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > >> Canola oil > > > >Wassat please? > > > >Is it the liquid paraffin? > > No; in Europe, it is more commonly known as rapeseed oil. For some > reason, US consumers don't like that name. actually, it was the rapeseed growers association that petitioned and received permission from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to formally change the name of rapeseed oil to canola [canola = canadian oil, where a lot of it is grown]. seems THEY felt [or their advertising agencies felt] that consumers over here wouldn't like the name. it had to be posted in the Federal Register for public comment and then added to the regulations. i know, because i used to have to read [ = scan] the register every day for new proposed drug regulatory changes from fda, and that little factoid stuck in my mind as a particularly useless waste of my tax dollars. just another piece of trivia i throw out for general consumption or avoidance. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Virtualis Systems...your home on the Web." 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Free, visit the GaLaXy http://www.total.net/~efay ***secret!!!***click on the banner??? Article 13467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!130.207.244.101.MISMATCH!GT-News!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Parts suppliers? Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:17:58 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6p41a8$rkr40@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <35c25c05.9014825@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13467 JAF All you need to do is make a new floor with the opening on the short side, It doesn't take high carpentry skills, a sheet of plywood cut to the floor size, with timber battens nailed to three edges will do the job nicely. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie JAF wrote in message <35c25c05.9014825@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>... >I need a Smith hive floor, with the entrance along the shorter side >("warm way"), rather than along the long side ("cold way"), but can't >seem to find any beekeepers supplier who makes this type. Can anyone >in the UK help me with contact details for such a supplier? I am in >North Lincolnshire (Sunny Scunny - Sad Mis-nomer). >TIA >JAF >jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk edit to reply. >www.jaf.nildram.co.uk (Currently: Edale Photos) Article 13468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: morpheus101@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan Queens Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 40 Message-ID: <1280-35B59A86-791@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2007365617-78910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAlvXqXCeRnN4oURzZWt8PXSKakuECFQCsyh7doM4k74zT5oxFm/3aBri/HA== Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13468 --WebTV-Mail-2007365617-78910 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I am a hobby beekeeper with three hives. Last year I lost them to varroa mites. This year I put package bees (Italian) into the lost hives, along with Apistan strips. The bees are doing well and are strong hives. My question is: Has anyone ever tried or have used the queens of ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan bees in there hives. And if so, were they resistant to tracheal and varroa mites? I try not to use chemicals in my hives and was wondering if these ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan bees were resistant to these mites without having to use chemicals, such as Apistan strips. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steven --WebTV-Mail-2007365617-78910 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-2007365617-78910-- Article 13469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & Light Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:59:22 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6p3v7q$8qh$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf3081.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13469 What are the ramifications of illuminating a portion of the inside of a beehive. How much would the bees dislike it and how would it impact their health and behavior? [I am considering putting an electronic camera inside a hive.] Tobin Fricke tobin@sji.org Article 13470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:24:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6p4p78$es1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> <35B3F164.59E4B3DA@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 22 13:24:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13470 > > No; in Europe, it is more commonly known as rapeseed oil. For some > > reason, US consumers don't like that name. > > actually, it was the rapeseed growers association that petitioned and > received permission from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to > formally change the name of rapeseed oil to canola [canola = canadian > oil, where a lot of it is grown]. seems THEY felt [or their advertising > agencies felt] that consumers over here wouldn't like the name... This is a sorta half-truth. Canola is not the same plant as rapeseed at all. Canola was bred from rapeseed and supplants it in many uses, however there are huge differences: canola is low in two acids that caused problems in rapeseed use, one is euricic, and I forget the other. Anyhow canola is 'double zero' in these acids. FWIW, canola may be from either of two plant backgrounds, Argentine or Polish (rapus or napus). Argentine varieties yield significantly more honey. From a beekeeper point of view, years ago, rapeseed honey was often a problem, often being dark and bad tasting. This has changed with the coming of canola. The new varieties of canola make lovely honey. In fact some wag has said that most of the best clover honey now comes from canola :) Nowadays, things have gone a step farther and the newest varieties of canola are either transgenic or highly selected for resistance to chemicals and other characteristics. Anyhow, back to patties: the 'proper' method of making 'grease patties' uses shortening, not oil. That notwithstanding, many beekeepers use oil in its place. AFAIK, there have been no published studies about the efficacy of oil in place of shortening. Reason would indicate it *should* work and many swear by it. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees & Light Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:46:03 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35B6417B.A86A0FF9@earthlink.net> References: <6p3v7q$8qh$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust39.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) To: Tobin Fricke Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13471 Observation hives have glass sides and it dosen't bother the bees. I have been taught in bee classes that bees do not like light from the top so covers should not let light into the hive. Don Article 13472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!cezanne.op.net!op.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!ip-244.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:36:29 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-233.skylands.net X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 901153954 21491 206.103.0.233 (23 Jul 1998 00:32:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1998 00:32:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13472 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to other mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 13473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canola Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998072223052500.TAA14869@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jul 1998 23:05:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6p4p78$es1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13473 canola= canada oil low acid Article 13474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: 20 Jul 1998 13:55:39 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 40 Message-ID: <01bdb3e6$74b1c7e0$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> <35B251E0.504831E0@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13474 Brian wrote in article <35B251E0.504831E0@mines.edu>... > I re-marked her with typing correction fluid (white-out), but unfortunately > either she jumped or I twitched and I ended up pretty well painting her > thorax, the bases of her wings, and a bit of her abdomen. It wasn't pretty, > she isn't laying very well, but in any case I will certainly be more careful > next time, and probably will make some small screen wire cage I can pin her > in before I try to mark her instead of just trying to dab a drop of paint on > her while she is running free on the comb like I did this time. > Brian Allen In the UK there are one or two devices that can be used to hold the Queen during marking. One is a small ring about 1.5 inches diameter filled with quarter inch mesh, there are small spikes perpendicular to the ring and mesh that are just to close together for the Queen to pass through. When you find the queen you (try to get her on her own but one or two bees as well won't matter too much) put the ring over her and gently press the spikes into the comb thus holding the Queen, DON'T PRESS TOO HARD otherwise you'll have a very flat dead Queen. When she's trapped you can take your time to paint the spot and let it cure for a few seconds before releasing the painted lady. If you use correction fluid make sure it's a water based variety, some of the solvent ones can dissolve the stuff that holds the bees body together. You can also pick the Queen up, easier to do if you don't wear gloves for your beekeeping. 1. Put tips of finger and thumb of right hand together and get the Queen to walk into the small gap and grip her from the head end gently. 2. Transfer Queen to finger and thumb of other hand, now gently gripping abdomen and legs. 3. Mark Queen and if you clip clip one wing (some people say you should never clip and make at the same time, if you're one of those mark first time then repeat above a week or so later and mark then). 4. Replace the Queen Article 13475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarms Date: 20 Jul 1998 14:52:06 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 15 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6ovlim$f6m$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <6oneoh$ov9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> <35b1280a.649885@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc33.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13475 It seems that the viewpoint is that in the U.K. and other tempoate climates then the bee do not nest in the open, but will do in warmer areas. Strange this, I know that I am a beginner but i can assure you all that the last two swarms that I've been to look at have a nice piece of wild comb hanging from the tree branch.... My main worry is that if I do hive these bees, will the foragers want to return to the tree. I gues that if I do as one early reply suggested and place the hive beneath the tree with the wild comb wired into a frame then the vast majority of the bees will not go back to the tree branch. Paul Article 13476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: AllenDick@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Excluders Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:39:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6p77ef$e2o$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 23 11:39:58 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13476 The debate over excluders continues and will likely never end since they are an expert beekeeper's tool and their use requires good understanding of bees and the locale. The opportunities for error when following non-specific advice are many. However, in all discussion I have seen, I notice that virtually everyone seems to assume that all excluders are the same -- and that all bees are the same. Some of the same people argue that comb should be changed regularly to ensure that the cells do not get smaller due to cocoon buildup and thus cause smaller bees to be raised, and others recommend smaller comb to discourage varroa. Thus it seems that many or most people believe that individual worker bees do vary in size, but do not seem to consider this when talking about excluders. My questions: * Do all excluders have the same size of slits for the bees to go through? * Do the thoraxes of bees vary sufficienty that some breeds of bees or individual bees have more or less trouble getting through? Personally, I have never observed problems in these regards, and I have used a number of brands of commercial excluders with virtually every breed of bee available in North America. FWIW, I have also used 5 mesh hardware cloth with good success. I have always frowned upon the zinc excluders because of their sharp edges -- but this is a prejudice I picked up in reading and have never verified. Allen -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news From: Ken Foster Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:27:51 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <35B73A57.FB32DA0@agecon.purdue.edu> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: ae589-a.agecon.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8354 rec.gardens:273403 rec.gardens.edible:13906 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13477 sci.agriculture.fruit:2067 Most of the "wild" honey bee colonies in the US have been killed by parasitic mites during the past 15 years. Thus, you can not do much to attrack honey bees to your garden unless someone in the vicinity is keeping honey bees. Even then it is possible that your garden is too small to warrant an effort on the part of the bees or that the type of plants you are growing do not provide nectar and pollen in large enough amounts. Honey bees are not attracted to tomatoes, potatos, green beans, and peppers, but they heavily work cucumbers, squash, and melons. They will work nearly any fruit tree, bush, or vine. If you just interested in observing the bees in action, then the clover suggestion is a good one because it blooms nearly all summer. If it is pollination that you are after, then having bees in the clover means fewer bees in the garden. Julie R. Wise wrote: > Paul Onstad wrote in article > <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1>... > > > >>Brad Faber wrote: > > > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > > -- > Julie > east central Indiana USA Article 13478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!news-reader.bt.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie R. Wise" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:14:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: news.surflink.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:14:06 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8356 rec.gardens:273434 rec.gardens.edible:13908 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13478 sci.agriculture.fruit:2069 Paul Onstad wrote in article <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1>... > > >>Brad Faber wrote: > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > selected areas while it's blooming. We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. -- Julie east central Indiana USA Article 13479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:47:39 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> <6p41a5$rkr39@scotty.tinet.ie> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af039.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13479 In article <6p41a5$rkr39@scotty.tinet.ie>, "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> wrote: > > Is flax the crop that makes fields blue? > > Yes, otherwise known as linseed > A connection with linen! Nick Article 13480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!btnet-feed1!btnet!news-reader.bt.net!not-for-mail From: Alan Craig Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving bees short distances Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <359CC019.4A54DF07@durham.ac.uk> References: <6n94f1$ksb$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:09:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: news.surflink.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:09:35 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13480 Dr C.J. Browning wrote: > > There was some correspondence in this group a while ago about moving bees short distances. > Two > methods were suggested - putting a large board in front of the hive entrance so that the bees have to fly > out in a different direction and hence, hopefully, re-orientate, and going during the night to the old site, > collecting boxfuls of 'lost' bees and re-taking them to their new site again. > > Having recently had to move four hives a half-mile or so, I would like you all to know that BOTH > THESE METHODS FAIL. The board does not seem to make any significant difference, and one can > collect boxfuls of bees night after night after night and they STILL go back. > What's more, the lost > bees are terribly bad-tempered during the day and the old site becomes unuseable for any purpose at all. > > I now firmly believe the 'THREE FEET OR THREE MILES' rule. I recently had to move mine a short distance (about 10 yards), the easiest way to do this is to move them 3 miles away and then, about a week later, move them back. Article 13481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:47:05 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af039.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13481 In article <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com>, "Adrian Kyte" wrote: > Is flax the crop that makes fields blue? > Yes but don't confuse it with the other blue crop, borage. Borage has big fluffy flowers and is totally useles to bees because they can't get at the nectaries. Flax has a delightful and simple blue flower. Nick Article 13482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping bees? Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998072315545100.LAA22906@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 23 Jul 1998 15:54:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6p6grn$55k$1@news01.deltanet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13482 Load up at dusk and drive 'till you get there is the best option. When you stop for gas, stop short of the station, walk up, tell them you have a hive of bees you are moving and ask if you can pump the gas youself. You will leave a few bees at the station as a gift, but they will go to the lights and not bother anybody. At dawn, they go away. Don't seal the entrance of the hive or they will cook. Make sure your hive is secure. Strapping works well or for one hive, tape the boxes and top/bottom with good duct tape. Make sure the hive isn't going to bang around or fall over. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:37:20 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af022.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13483 In article <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net>, whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) wrote: > > I am a beekeeper in North East Louisiana which runs 300 colonies for > honey. Our production this year has been great with colonies producing > more > > than the average of 115 lbs so far. The weather is helping a great deal > if > your bees are near water with good vegetation growth. > I was hoping for those of you who read this will also post condition in > your area as an attachment so others will also learn about honey > production > around the country and world. For beekeepers to get more money for their > honey > they need to know how much honey the world is producing. > > 180lbs so far of rape and field beans and perhaps some flax. This from 3 hives in north Leicestershire, England, near Melton Mowbray. Nick Article 13484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shipping bees? Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:08:45 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35B7984D.945DD92A@earthlink.net> References: <6p6grn$55k$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust102.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13484 I move bees about 300 miles. I put a cargo strap around them to hold the hive closed. I hage screens to put at the entrance, held in place with screws. Sometimes I travel at night, other times in the day. Sometimes I use my pick-up and sometimes I use my van. If it is extremely hot, I think night time moving is best. Article 13485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!priori!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:14:04 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35B7998C.CF0B7917@earthlink.net> References: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust102.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13485 Why do you want to get rid of them? There sole purpose in life is to propogate the species and make beekeepers happy. If it truly is honey bees, you need do nothing. The mites will do it for you. Then you can plug up the hole. Article 13486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!k539a.mgmt.purdue.edu!user From: jw7402@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jim Ward) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extraction by dripping? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:00:18 -0500 Organization: Krannert School of Management Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: k539a.mgmt.purdue.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13486 I am a new beekeeper (1 hive-first year) and am looking for a simple way to extract honey from a few frames (without destroying the comb). My idea is to just uncap them, turn them upside down and let some (I know not all) of the honey drip out. I figure whatever honey does not drip out (after a few hours) the bees will get when I put the frames back in the hive. Is this a reasonable idea? What percentage of the honey will just drip out? Article 13487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-nysernet-5.sprintlink.net!128.122.253.90!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dlpaxton@gate.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:40:02 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35b7c30e.1804523@news.gate.net> References: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> <35B7998C.CF0B7917@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfbfl3-31.gate.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13487 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:14:04 -0400, Don Israel wrote: >Why do you want to get rid of them? There sole purpose in life is to >propogate the species and make beekeepers happy. If it truly is honey >bees, you need do nothing. The mites will do it for you. Then you can >plug up the hole. The main problem I have had with the "live and let live" theory is that the honey starts fermenting in the wall and the smell will drive you crazy. Big Dave Article 13488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:14:30 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35B36CE6.8CF8A2EF@bigfoot.com> References: <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> <1998072002380700.WAA26691@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 900951222 EDOBMGQ.FB02FD018C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13488 Thanks for the info. I wonder if bees get necter from peneat bushes? Larry Wcslnluv wrote: > Larry, Central Alabama honey flow begins in late March or early April and > ends in late June or early July. Hope this is some help to you.... Good luck > with your bees !!!! > > W.C. -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998072400582200.UAA12916@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 00:58:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13489 spray a can of ether ( starting fluid ) into the hole. weeks later when all the wax has melted and your walls are covered with sour bug juice and rotten honey, you'll realize that there is much more to this than just killing a bee hive ! find a pro bee keeper, whose done it before, the destruction wont be bad at all. Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3 questions about hornets Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998072401451000.VAA20413@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 01:45:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998071304150900.AAA19088@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13490 soak it with ether or use a very large CO2 fire extingusher, while there froze get the nest into a garbage bagand nuke the bag with ether Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:30:32 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 104 Message-ID: <35B7E3B8.DE88E14D@valley.net> References: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> <35B3F164.59E4B3DA@valley.net> <6p4p78$es1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-144.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13491 AllenDick@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > No; in Europe, it is more commonly known as rapeseed oil. For some > > > reason, US consumers don't like that name. > > > > actually, it was the rapeseed growers association that petitioned and > > received permission from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to > > formally change the name of rapeseed oil to canola [canola = canadian > > oil, where a lot of it is grown]. seems THEY felt [or their advertising > > agencies felt] that consumers over here wouldn't like the name... > > This is a sorta half-truth. Canola is not the same plant as rapeseed at all. > Canola was bred from rapeseed and supplants it in many uses, however there > are huge differences: canola is low in two acids that caused problems in > rapeseed use, one is euricic, and I forget the other. Anyhow canola is > 'double zero' in these acids. FWIW, canola may be from either of two plant > backgrounds, Argentine or Polish (rapus or napus). Argentine varieties yield > significantly more honey. > > at the risk of belaboring a laborious and boring [i like the way that sounds] point and drifting totally away from the subject of the original post, below is an fda talk paper from 1988 [which is much father back than i thought it was and tells me i'm getting too old too fast] on the subject of canola oil. fwiw, you can see that fda and the canola council of canada describe canola oil as extracted from rapeseed. the name is a replacement for 'low erucic acid rapeseed [LEAR] oil. whether or not the plant from which it is derived is now considered a new species, i don't know. but, in 1988 the oil was merely considered a variety of rapeseed oil. maybe i am just being thin-skinned this evening, but the 'half-truth' reference implies, at least to me, that i was 'half-lying.' thought i'd dig up the fda reference to put my mind at ease. also, i found out from one of the canola oil websites [yes, there are a number of them], that the term 'canola' is a trademark of the canola council of canada and must be licensed for use in other countries. more trivia to store away for future use. ************ November 14, 1988 Canola Oil (Updates Talk Paper - T85-10) FDA is proposing to allow an edible oil extracted from rapeseed to be called canola oil. The proposal, published in the Federal Register on Sept. 16, would recognize canola oil as an alternate common or usual name for low erucic acid rapeseed oil (LEAR oil), as it is identified in the United States. The following may be used to answer inquiries: On Jan. 28, 1985, FDA approved rapeseed oil as GRAS (generally recognized as safe) for food use, providing it contains no more than 2 percent of erucic acid. The proposal to permit it to be called canola oil responds to a petition from the Canola Council of Canada. Virtually all the LEAR oil used in the United States is imported from Canada, the world's leading producer of rapeseed. FDA in its proposal agrees with the council that the term canola oil -- firmly established as the common name for the oil in Canada -- should also be used in the United States, in order to promote free trade and improve consumer understanding. The American Soybean Association had opposed the name because Canada's 5 percent erucic acid standard was not as stringent as FDA's 2 percent limitation. However, Canada has sharply lowered the erucic acid content so there is no longer any conflict, and the Soybean Association now supports the name canola oil. -MORE- Page 2 Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in some parts of the world. Before 1971, however, oil prepared from rapeseed contained erucic acid in the range of 30 to 60 percent. In animal studies, these high levels had been associated with cardiac lesions. For this reason rapeseed oil was not generally used in the United States. As a result of efforts begun in Canada during the 1960s, however, rapeseed varieties were bred that had a low erucic acid content. By 1978, all Canadian rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2 percent erucic acid. The Canadian government officially named oil from these low erucic acid varieties as canola. The levels today range from 0.3 to 1.2 percent, with an average of 0.6 percent. The oil, which is polyunsaturated, can be used by itself as a salad or vegetable oil. It is more commonly blended, however, with other vegetable oils to produce margarine, shortening, salad oil and vegetable oil. Today, farmers in the United States are beginning to cultivate low erucic acid rapeseed plant experimentally or as a replacement for winter wheat, according to Robert Reeves, president of the Institute of Shortening and Edible Oils, based in Washington, D.C. He estimates that between 65,000 and 70,000 acres of low erucic acid rapeseed have been planted, mostly in Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana and Illinois, with smaller crops in eastern Missouri and northern Arkansas. As a spring crop, he added, approximately 5,000 to 10,000 acres have been planted in the Texas panhandle region. ******************** bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: 24 Jul 1998 02:15:00 GMT Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: and-003-21.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13492 We tried 2 deep broods on one hive and ended up with a brood full of honey! We've decided the easiest solution is just to give up one super to the queen if she'd like it and we only rob the ones above that. Keeps life simpler for the hobbiest who can only work the hives on weekends. (is there anything prettier on earth than the sun shining through a jar of pure golden honey!!) Julie Indiana Don Israel wrote in article <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net>... > Contrary to what some believe, the only way to keep a queen below the > honey supers is to use an excluder. Been there done that and I now use > excluders on all of my hives. Good luck in the future. BYTW, I've been > told if one uses two deep brood boxes there is less chance for the queen > to moue up because she has much more room to lay her eggs. > > Don > > Article 13493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan Queens Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:01:29 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 64 Message-ID: <6p8te9$bbs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1280-35B59A86-791@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 24 03:01:29 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13493 In article <1280-35B59A86-791@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, morpheus101@webtv.net wrote: > I am a hobby beekeeper with three hives. Last year I lost them to varroa > mites. This year I put package bees (Italian) into the lost hives, along > with Apistan strips. The bees are doing well and are strong hives. > > My question is: Has anyone ever tried or have used the queens of > ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan bees in there hives. And if so, were they resistant > to tracheal and varroa mites? > > I try not to use chemicals in my hives and was wondering if these > ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan bees were resistant to these mites without having to > use chemicals, such as Apistan strips. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Steven Steven et al, I coordinate the Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) - a cooperative breeding program involving 9 Cooperators and a titch over 6,000 colonies of Apis mellifera - our LONG term goal is 80+% Untreated Thriving Survival of naturally mated daughters of our HIP breeder queens. Rest assured that ARS-YC1 (YUGO) does not, can not, will not, survive (let alone thrive) at our goal level (and IMO it ain't got the potential to make it worth messing with to try and get it there either). Fact is it compares very UNfavorably with most stocks currently available and I am a bit boggled as to why it was even imported in the first place when other seemingly more promising stocks are to be found in European research and/or commercial breeding programs. YUGO does seem to be fairly tracheal mite resistance. Certain Varroa mite resistance mechanisms can be found in it IF you look for them. For us they proved a VERY unsatisfactory bee in our testing - EXTREMELY high variability in honey production with virtually all test colonies containing YUGO queens producing next to nothing in honey IF they even bothered to make an offering of rent for the condo we provided them. Fact is there just flat ain't no bee strain at present that meets our goal - that includes our own strain. Individual colonies can be found that meet it - these become breeder stock in our program. And fact is we have seen it where over 90% survived in a HIP untreated test yard - BUT these test colonies were hand selected out of a FAR larger number of colonies. So treat your colonies or watch 'em die is the best you can do at this stage in the game. I do recomend you use stock being bred toward resistance in the meantime. The reasons are: you help increase the frequency of the genes involved in various resistance mechanisms via having drones flying that carry them - this helps shift the entire population more toward at least some resistance without seriously decreasing the much needed genetic variability of the population == you help support the effort to breed toward resistance which I assure you ain't cheap to do == you gain a larger window of opportunity to treat within via using bees that are far less susceptible to mites and the viruses and diseases associated therewith. do read "Treatment Timing Tips" on my website http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:49:37 +0100 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.197.80 Message-ID: <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 24 Jul 1998 07:05:07 GMT, 195.34.197.80 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.197.80 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13494 >Wooden inner covers don't sag! (At least not around here.) >Mark If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an observation hive > >-- >Mgr, Sys Admin >Wolfram Research, Inc. >Voice: 217-398-0700/x107 >E-mail: sandrock@wolfram.com Article 13495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998072416164000.MAA05409@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 16:16:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13495 Thought this was a kinder, gentler hobby. Surely it can't bee politically correct to say "rob". Harvest, yield, pulled, or even garner, maybe even glean but, rob. I don't know if I can handle that. Sounds like someone should start a bee advocacy group and stand up for those little girls rights. As a side note, harvest is going well approx 100 lbs per hive here in very south MS and it's still coming in. Mites are minimal to very few. I should know better than to read this before my coffee. I start getting all Cliff Clavin'ee Everyone should have fun sometimes(me) Article 13496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Grease patty treatement Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998071817411900.NAA19098@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jul 1998 17:41:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13496 I said cover meaning under what ever top system you use. The majority of hives have migratory tops and inner covers are used mostly by hobbyist with telescoping tops. To make a grease patty, put granulated sugar in a bowel and stir in Canola oil to make a stiff paste. Form into 1/4# hamburger-sized patties between two sheets of wax paper or brown shopping bag paper. Freezing the misture helps in handling. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: orchard bees Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998071818023400.OAA04138@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jul 1998 18:02:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35AFE58E.6E98@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13497 On a one-bee-to-one-bee, orchard (mason) bees are "better" in that they fly in much colder and wetter conditions. But pollination in anything but a home orchard is a numbers game. If you had a mason bee block with 100 full holes, you might get 800 bees for pollination. Compare that with the field force of a single high honeybees colony of about 6-7,000++ bees. All it takes is for the honeybees to have a few hours of flight time in an orchard and they will out polliante any other bee or fly. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35A90B7A.3CF5803B@fcbl.net> <35aad826.0@209.149.100.15> <35AB7422.374AEA6B@fcbl.net> <35aba8b0.0@209.149.100.15> <35ABB696.3BADB769@fcbl.net> <35B0EE37.3D415C2A@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: South Alabama Beekepers Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:08:12 -0500 Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.60 Message-ID: <35b1e115.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.60 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13498 SO ALABAMA BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION Richard Leber, 1139 Seven Hill Dr., Mobile 36695-9672 Larry Williard wrote in message <35B0EE37.3D415C2A@bigfoot.com>... >> > >How about you just giving me the address or phone number and I will call >or write them? Nobody knows of a local beekeeping association around >here. Or maby the address of the newsletter? > > Larry > >> Darrell Laney wrote: >> >>> If you will e-mail me.....off group....with your address and phone I >>> will >>> call the local beekeeper Assoc. in your area and have someone from >>> there >>> give you a call....Alabama has one of the best and most organized >>> beekeepers >>> Assoc. in the US. >>> The president of the Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. live in your area and >>> the >>> local Assoc. has over 50 members...They also produce a very good >>> newsletter >>> called "The Smoker"..... >> > > >>> >Remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying >> >circuit9@bigfoot.com > > Article 13499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: josephj@NOSPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Disapointing Year X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:41:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: xx2-16.surf-ici.com Message-ID: <35b2308e.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 16 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13499 I don't know how the rest of you are doing but this year my bees just didn't do well at all. The early spring ( I didn't have them ready) turned real wet for weeks. It just seems like when the wet weather left us the bloom was over.:( I am in Central Indiana. I have a small apiary ( 16 hives) and I can see it is going to be an expensive year for sugar. Any idea what/where I might obtain less expensive sugar for feeding...the manager at local cheap stores rub thier hands and do a Snidely Whiplash laugh when I come in for 300+ lbs sugar. *sigh* I failed my bees and they responded in kind. ONE high note was some of these hives were packages from Ed Norman in Ramer Al... these are the most docil Italians I have seen and they built up quite quickly on thier own. Please consider Mr. Norman when sending out for packages and queens..but PLEASE wait for me to get my order in.:) Article 13500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:27:31 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13500 If the original poster has never marked queens before (sorry I'm late to this thread, been away @ EAS), he or she would do well to practice with drones. I've read that workers will raise a new queen if you get the paint on her anywhere but on her thorax, and you don't want to injure her abdomen (easy to do) or pull out any legs or wings, as they will allegedly reject her then also. So, practice on drones... it will familiarize you with handling & marking bees without gloves and you don't get stung or damage a good queen. Sorry if this is a repeat of previously posted info. Kathy (who, like Jack, also uses a paint pen) Mark D. Hoover wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Don wrote: > > > What do most people use to mark Queens or what is the best marking > fluid to > > use ? > > Thanks Don Article 13501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcslnluv@aol.com (Wcslnluv) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lots of bees Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998072002420600.WAA11290@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1998 02:42:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdac30$d5ec9020$8276accf@wbarry.erols.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13501 To "Bhrh" All you need to do is add as many supers as needed.... Bama Bee Boy Article 13502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calif. Bee Pictures SAGE Flow Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998072018513300.OAA27804@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1998 18:51:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6oifhi$q7q@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13502 And I may not whole heartedly agree, but I'll defend your right to say it just the same. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something Article 13503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!iaxs.net!news.minn.net!bell.pconline.com!news1.mr.net!news.mr.net!not-for-mail From: "Michael Oberle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will bees re-use wax? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:49:22 -0500 Organization: [poster's organization not specified] Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6p07fb$h8q$1@news3.mr.net> References: <6oro62$6ht$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <28871-35B1CF80-18@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lonsdale-4.dialup.means.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13503 >I know that they will not do anything to that new foundation unless ther >is a honey flow on or you feed them real good. They will use some old >wax to seal honey sometime. I do not think i have ever seen them use old >wax to make new comb. I have had them reuse wax There was some damage to some older blackened comb. They chewed it out and put it on a pierco frame that was next to it. It was mixed with new wax. So it was speckled. Thanks Michael Oberle NTS1@ix.netcom.com Minnesota The state where absolutely nothing is allowed. Article 13504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:39:05 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35B3B8F9.73CEB921@mediaone.net> References: <6oh66t$6v$1@news.usit.net> <35B248A3.1922D80B@mediaone.net> <35B251E0.504831E0@mines.edu> <01bdb3e6$74b1c7e0$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13504 Adrian Kyte wrote: > > 2. Transfer Queen to finger and thumb of other hand, now gently > gripping > abdomen and legs. I sure hope you meant to write "gripping thorax and legs" rather than abdomen and legs. The abdomen is much too easily damaged and should never be held. The head and thorax are usually recommended as the *safest* places to grip a queen (or drones, when practicing) while marking. Some others have written that they clip a wing on their queen. I ask why? I must be missing something because to my way of thinking.. 1)It won't prevent swarming ( a virgin queen will go with the swarm instead, and then the clipped queen is likely to be superceded by one of the remaining virgin swarm queens). 2)It doesn't help in finding the queen (like a paint dot will). And 3)If the "deformed" theory of bees superceding a queen that has been damaged in marking her, doesn't it follow that they'd be less likely to accept her clipped? Could someone who's been clipping queens for many years explain to me what I'm missing? Thanks. Kathy Article 13505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: 21 Jul 1998 09:21:46 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13505 Nick Cooke wrote in article ... > 180lbs so far of rape and field beans and perhaps some flax. This from 3 > hives in north Leicestershire, England, near Melton Mowbray. > > Nick Is flax the crop that makes fields blue? Article 13506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.co.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Parts suppliers? Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:51:35 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35c25c05.9014825@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-4.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-4.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13506 I need a Smith hive floor, with the entrance along the shorter side ("warm way"), rather than along the long side ("cold way"), but can't seem to find any beekeepers supplier who makes this type. Can anyone in the UK help me with contact details for such a supplier? I am in North Lincolnshire (Sunny Scunny - Sad Mis-nomer). TIA JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk edit to reply. www.jaf.nildram.co.uk (Currently: Edale Photos) Article 13507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!209.98.98.154!porthos.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35B4C691.4A18@wavefront.com> From: alan montgomery X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:47:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.73.244.136 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:47:41 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13507 I have a Carniolan hive and they have produced 0 honey this year it was an older queen. I looked today and saw the beginnings of queen cups? on the bottom bars on top brood box. What should I do? Should I requeen now or what/ Will they swarmm this late in the season and I wonder why the two colonies i have here at home didi not produce while others located elsewhere did and are still heaping the nectar in. Thanks, Alan Article 13508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1998 Summer Convention, Raleigh NC Lines: 79 Message-ID: <1998072417245200.NAA12709@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 17:24:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13508 All activities will be held at the Wake County Government Office Park at 4000 Carya Road in Raleigh ( Poole rd exit off I-40 Watch for signs ) ................................... THURS AUG 6 12-8pm registration 12:30-5 pm Beekeeping short course for beginners and intermediates taught by nc state univ. nc dept of agri and master beekeeper EVENING WELCOME ETC. RECEPTION ....6:30-720PM 7:30 BEE BOWL WAKE CO. VS ALAMANCE CO 8:00 TALK BY COLLEGE OF LIFE SCIENCE DEAN. 8:30 NC success story ( burts bees ) 9:30 Report of state conditions by inspectors state wide .................................... FRI AUG 7 8 AM REG FOR LATE ARRIVALS 8:30 welcome, door prises ect 8:45 Governor James Hunt is scheduled to speak ! (finally a little notice from the big shots ) 9:15 Report on varroa mite resistance to apistan by Lawrence Cutts, chief apiary inspector from Florida. 10:00 Break 10:30 attracting new members to local assoc. 10:50 NC Farm Bureau and Nc beekeepers assoc " KEY TO SUCCESS" Greg Barns NC Farm Bureau 11:10 Bee sting hypersensitivity and anaphylaxis William Wood, M.D 11:40 NCSBA business session 12:20 Lunch AFTERNOON WORKSHOPS: COOKING WITH HONEY MAKING MEAD BEEKEEPING AND THE INTERNET QUEEN REARING PREPARING HONEY FOR SHOW AND JUDGING INSTALLING A PKG OF BEES BEE DISEASES AND MITES. ********* CERTIFICATION PROGRAM FOR EPINEPHRINE USE************ DR. WILLIAM WOOD ...................... TESTING FOR NORTH CAROLINA MASTER BEEKEEPING PROGRAM CERTIFIED LEVEL TEST PRACTICAL ( bring your veil and smoker ) WRITTEN EXAM FOR ALL LEVELS PRACTICAL LEVEL FOR JOURNEYMAN ......................... EVENING SESSION FRI AUG 7 7:00 bANQUET AND AWARDS PROGRAM PRESENTATION BY CHARLES BUTLER (1560-1647) THE FATHER OF ENGLISH BEEKEEPING ............................................................. SATURDAY AUG 8 8:45 WELCOME AND DOOR PRISES 9:00 FUTURE OF GOV'T SUPPORTED BEE PROGRAMS , lawerence cutts Fla Inspector chief 9:45 Update on activities of the NCSBA Irving Rackney Pres. 10:05 Changes in the industry from a dealers point of view , Steve Forrest, Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 10:35 Break and snacks 11:10 Travel to strange and exotic places as a beekeeping volunteer. ,Howard Blackburn 11:55 The apiculture program at NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY , Dr John Ambrose and graduate students 12:30 Adjourn 1998 summer convention Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:41:32 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35B8C74C.7DF837CE@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.163.110 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 901302225 8JUHHDRUMA36ECDD9C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13509 I have noticed that early in the morning, especially after it has rained during the night, there are dead pupa of different ages lying at the entrance of my hive. There were about ten today. Why is this? I am a new beekeeper - I started just this spring with one hive. Nathaniel in Illinois Article 13510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:53:31 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-214.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 20 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-214.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13510 On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:49:37 +0100, "rj" wrote: > > >>Wooden inner covers don't sag! (At least not around here.) >>Mark > > >If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an >observation hive > Seconded! I can look whenever I feel like it, without disturbing the girls at all......and I'm the sort of beekeeper who can't leave them alone, so a glass quilt is a must, for minimum disturbance, but maximum rubber-necking.... -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk edit to reply. www.jaf.nildram.co.uk (Currently: Edale Photos) Article 13511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU!not-for-mail From: "Jean L. Cooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:04:02 -0400 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35B8CC92.F6A5BAC8@virginia.edu> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bootp-167-208.bootp.virginia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13511 > > If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an > observation hive I have to ask ... what is a glass quilt? Jean Cooper jcooper@virginia.edu Article 13512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.direct.ca!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:09:39 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6par4u$v8r71@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13512 Nick Cooke wrote in message ... >In article <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com>, "Adrian >Kyte" wrote: >> Is flax the crop that makes fields blue? >> >Yes but don't confuse it with the other blue crop, borage. Borage has big >fluffy flowers and is totally useles to bees because they can't get at the >nectaries. Flax has a delightful and simple blue flower. > >Nick > in his book 'Plants and Beekeeping' Howes states " Borage is one of those plants well established in the esteem of beekeepers and frequently grown by them in order to watch the bees at work on the attractive sky blue flowers........." " The nodding flowers of borage yield nectar freely and are sometimes tp be seen humming with bees, including bunble bees and solitary bees. ......" "To obtain the nectar the bee simply hangs under the flower and inserts its proboscis between the stamens. In doing this the pollen becomes sprinkled on its body" "Bees will work borage freely as a rule, and all day long, but will sometimes foresake it for other plants such as lime and white clover when these are in flower and yielding well." Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie > > > Article 13513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: friess@aol.com (FRIESS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Api life var Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998072420474700.QAA28894@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 20:47:47 GMT Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13513 Has anybody experience with 'api life var' a varroacide based on essential oils and give me information about its efficacy. Thanks in advance and greetings from Munich, Friedrich Article 13514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:12:37 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust1.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13514 Yes Julie there is something more beautiful than the sun shining through a jar of golden honey. The sun shing through a jar of golden or even pure sourwood honey at sunrise in the mountains of North Carolina. Article 13515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: W & E Bowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation hive Date: 24 Jul 1998 23:28:49 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6pb5bh$9o1$0@208.18.95.53> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13515 I finally made an observation hive and it is the best thing if you love bees. I've learned more about bees on 3 weeks with the observation hive than in all my years of beekeeping (2 years) hehe. BTW I'm up to 4 hives now to include the observation hive and a top bar hive. I've got the hive sitting right next to the computer. (my two favourite past times) Could never have done it with out all of your help and Morris B's help in making the observation hive. Thanks all Let the bees live forever... :-) Elizabeth Article 13516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-nysernet-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.122.253.90!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: W & E Bowles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fungus Date: 24 Jul 1998 23:29:30 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6pb5cq$9o1$1@208.18.95.53> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13516 I heard there is some kind of fungus killing colonies off. Has anybody heard about this? Elizabeth Article 13517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998072500122000.UAA00838@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1998 00:12:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6pamdp$fp5@news-central.tiac.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13517 Where are you located? Article 13518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!relief.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Sharon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raw Beeswax Wanted Date: 25 Jul 1998 01:24:52 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bdb76b$0b5140e0$03bcd8cc@SIGNUP.CTS.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: wagasa.cts.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Cache-Post-Path: wagasa.cts.com!unknown@psc22188003.cts.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13518 I plan to set up a small beeswax refining operation in the Southern California area. I am looking for sources of raw beeswax, preferably in the surrounding region. How is the beeswax trade handled in this area? I understand that a lot of beekeepers belong to honey associations that purchase their wax along with their honey. Do the associations sell raw wax at reasonable prices to small time refiners? If anyone has information on this subject or is looking for someone to sell their wax to, please let me know. Thank you, Bob Riedy rriedy@cts.com Article 13519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gilbert davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weak hive Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:33:05 -0400 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <35B927C1.E3BD30DF@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup279.vabla.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13519 I have a hive that isn't producing as well as the other one. I pulled out one of the brood frames and noticed what looked like a queen cell about three quarters of the way up. The surrounding cone looked burnt and there was a couple of gray cells that resembled the color of a hornets nest. There is not as many bees in this hive but they are building comb. What is happening and what can I do to get them through the winter? I had my queens marked, but I didn't search for her. First year at this,GD Article 13520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: weak hive Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998072502523100.WAA14928@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1998 02:52:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35B927C1.E3BD30DF@usit.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13520 sure sign of a lost queen, cells on the bottom or just allover would be swarm cells, but you describe a supercedure or replacement cell for sure. order you a mated queen asap, the one they raised probably didn't get bred this late ( LOOK FIRST TO SEE IF YOU HAVE EGGS ETC....YOURS JUST MIGHT NOT HAVE STARTED BACK YET !!! ) Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998072502575400.WAA21558@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1998 02:57:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6pamdp$fp5@news-central.tiac.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13521 >. I think the bees have been at it for less than 1 week IF THIS IS SO YOU MIGHT BE OK JUST KILLING THEM oops damn caps key far as mixin poison, i'd steer clear since other colonies might come by for a taste raid makes those long distance spray hornet cans, ya might try that Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 13522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:10:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <35B94C9F.31E762B6@valley.net> References: <35B8C74C.7DF837CE@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-141.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13522 Bluedorn wrote: > I have noticed that early in the morning, especially after it has rained > during the night, there are dead pupa of different ages lying at the > entrance of my hive. There were about ten today. Why is this? > > I am a new beekeeper - I started just this spring with one hive. > > Nathaniel in Illinois greetings, last year was my first year beekeeping, and i saw the same thing, although later in the year, starting around mid-august. i asked the question of this esteemed group, too. the consensus was that they were drone brood, being tossed out, so the colony could 1) save on feeding them as they prepared for winter and 2) pick up additional storage space at the same time. the pupae were relatively large, so i think they were drones. i have read, too, that if the the colony is cranking out brood and the food supply shuts down [i.e. flow or feeding ends abruptly], then they will toss all types of brood to cut the food burn rate. since i was feeding my bees at the time that i saw the tossed pupae, that didn't seem to be the case with my bees. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:26:43 -0700 Organization: Not Applicable Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp15.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 901340645 9605 207.49.162.18 (25 Jul 1998 04:24:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 1998 04:24:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13523 I tried the one published by Jim Satterfield on his web page as follows: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm It uses an ice chest with a piece of glass over the top and the beeswax is put on top of a paper towel which has been tied over the top of a plastic bowl or coffee can inside the ice chest solar oven. There is some water in the bowl so that the wax will rise to the top of the water for easy retrieval when it cools. It worked fine! Article 13524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: 25 Jul 1998 08:40:47 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6pc5mf$4ch@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289 Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13524 Could you provide a translation from King's English to American? What is "glass quilt?" How much extra heat enters the top story? TYIA In a previous article, jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) says: >>If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an >>observation hive >Seconded! I can look whenever I feel like it, without disturbing the >girls at all......and I'm the sort of beekeeper who can't leave them >alone, so a glass quilt is a must, for minimum disturbance, but >maximum rubber-necking.... -- Article 13525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rj" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> <35B8CC92.F6A5BAC8@virginia.edu> Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:08:03 +0100 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.196.144 Message-ID: <35b9af84.0@news.thefree.net> X-Trace: 25 Jul 1998 10:12:20 GMT, 195.34.196.144 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.thefree.net!195.34.196.144 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13525 Jean L. Cooper wrote in message <35B8CC92.F6A5BAC8@virginia.edu>... >> >> If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an >> observation hive > >I have to ask ... what is a glass quilt? Quilt just seems to be a quaint English term for the thing on top of the upper super, It's an inner cover with (optionally) two sheets of glass in a timber frame, the middle normally has space for a porter bee escape or gauze (you don't want them flying up at you as you peer in!) it's best used at night with a torch. > >Jean Cooper >jcooper@virginia.edu Article 13526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: lithar@midwest.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:07:39 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35BA572B.4217@midwest.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 901397414 .ZFUVYH4M1C1CD0EBC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13526 Don Israel wrote: > > Yes Julie there is something more beautiful than the sun shining through > a jar of golden honey. The sun shing through a jar of golden or even > pure sourwood honey at sunrise in the mountains of North Carolina. 'waxing' a bit romantic aren't we? AL Article 13527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998072522155700.SAA22679@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1998 22:15:57 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35BA572B.4217@midwest.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13527 All of that light colored honey looks wonderfull in a jar bathed in sunlight. But I await the first of the dark fall honey as the proof is on the palate. Article 13528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: weehawk@sprynet.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Selling honey retail Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:13:57 -0500 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd59-115.hil.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13528 This is my second season keeping bees in southern Louisiana, and this year I definitely have a surplus of honey. I was considering approaching a retailer, such as a grocery or health food store, and offering local honey for sale. I have about fifity gallons of honey that I am in the process of bottling. I was wondering if anyone had any experience or advice in dealing with retailers. I'd love to hear about things that have worked well or not-so-well for others. Thanks, Ame Oberle Baton Rouge, LA Article 13529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: simota@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do you want to talk about agriculture in other countries? Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:37:31 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6pdmnb$7q0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.62.226.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 25 22:37:31 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13529 Do you want to talk about agriculture in other countries? Here is a public access news server to find yours favorite groups: http://thor.prohosting.com/~itools/ Greetings. -- Federico Mercatali http://www.biosys.net/di -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:13:37 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 41 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0033.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0033.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13530 Ame -- You might try a local farmers' market or produce stand. Groceries can be difficult to deal with, as they usually have plenty of honey already, from the big-name packers. Some still do carry a local product as well. Around here (c. NY), the local honey in the grocery stores is priced somewhat higher than the rest, but it moves very well. The beekeeper selling to this region's store chains has a large operation of several hundred colonies, and so can provide the groceries with a uniform, year-round supply. (Also usu. required in the big grocery stores is a bar-coded label, which is expensive to obtain.) You could see if there are natural or bulk/organic-food shops nearby, as they generally prefer to carry local honey. This is a nice arrangement, as you can set up a small honey tank with a gate, and the customers can bring their own containers to fill. Then there is no need for you to deal with bottling, labeling, etc. and all the related processing & equipment. You should be able to get a good price this way, well above the wholesale bulk price, without having to devote a lot of time. With a little effort, you can bottle your own honey and wholesale it by the case to shops. Or, better yet, get the long price by retailing part or all of it. yourself. There are lots of ways to advertise inexpensively, and once the word gets around you will likely have customers calling for honey, and many will come back year after year. For a reference, the current wholesale (bulk) price per pound (to packers) is around $0.75. Meanwhile, the final retail price of a pound -- processed, bottled, labeled (to consumers) is around $2.75. The vendor takes a substantial cut of this, of course, but depending on how you do the retailing, you can get quite a bit more $$ than you would by just selling the honey in bulk to a commercial packer. We have sold honey to florists' shops, produce stands and cooperative markets. Some do very well by setting up a honey table at weekend flea-markets. Any regional tourist trap gift shops are worth investigating, too. (ng: other suggestions?) Article 13531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998072415333000.LAA23304@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1998 15:33:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13531 The maine problem you will have to deal with is not the bees, but the comb, brood, and honey. Once you have killed the bees (or they die off from mites/nosema/AFB, etc.) the comb will remain, unattended, to draw mice by the zillions, yellowjackets, wax moths, et al. They, next summer, the wax will slowly melt through the celing and/or walls and ruin and work you have done. Sad to say, the best way to solve your problem is to open up the space, remove the bees and the comb, clean up the area, and seal it up bee-proof. As a side note, this is how I got into beekeeping (house purchased with bees in the roof). I was deathly afraid of anything that flew and buzzed. Now, ten years later, bees are my life. We run a number of colonies for pollination and honey, own a bee supply business, write and speak extensively on beekeeping around the world. That hive in the roof was the third best thing that's happened in my life (behind my wife and daughter). Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshost.cyberramp.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 07:40:21 -0400 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6pf4nb$j65$1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn107-139.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13532 Hello Ame, My experience selling through farmers operating vegetable stands for the last several years has been positive. They seem to be quite happy with a one third markup and I've based my price on the wholesale price from Bee Culture magazine. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach Virginia >experience or advice in dealing with retailers. I'd love to hear about >things that have worked well or not-so-well for others. > Article 13533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!Kijfhoek.NL.net!news-sec.epo.nl!newsmaster@epo.nl From: "bbb" Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry,microsoft.public.nl,microsoft.public.nl.ie30,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sci.bio.food-science,sci.bio.misc,sci.econ Subject: HH EU Date: 26 Jul 1998 16:39:46 GMT Organization: EPO Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bdb84f$91dc4120$LocalHost@kgb> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup96.kns.telecom.lt X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu bionet.agroforestry:11276 sci.agriculture:27233 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13533 sci.agriculture.fruit:2079 sci.agriculture.poultry:6082 sci.agriculture.ratites:1316 sci.bio.food-science:8704 sci.bio.misc:12367 sci.econ:89678 hallo My name is Robert, 21 y. Student of economics from Lithuania , a member of international hitchhikers club. I have serious plans to hitchhike this summer around Europe and write a big article. I would be very thankful if anyone from France or other Eu country (DE, NL, BE, IT, SP, UK) could help me with short time shelter or good advice U could rely upon me if u wanted ever visit Lithuania or whatever Email me: bbb@takas.lt or pirtele@hotmail.com (better both) Thanks and sorry for the intrusion... Best regards Robert Article 13534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:05:15 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> <35B8CC92.F6A5BAC8@virginia.edu> <35b9af84.0@news.thefree.net> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af156.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13534 In article <35b9af84.0@news.thefree.net>, "rj" wrote: > Quilt just seems to be a quaint English term for the thing on top of the > upper super, It was the very first thing that I made when I started beekeeping about 15 years ago! Nick Article 13535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting hive Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 13:57:43 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35BB7C27.DE65138@bigfoot.com> Reply-To: circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 901478886 EDOBMGQ.FB037D018C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13535 I have a new hive since april I madeit 1 2 high brood chamber and it is nicely filled. I've been told I only need singles around here. Should I just remove the top brood box and make shure there is some uncapped brood in it and stores and let the bees make a queen or should I buy another queen.? How far apart should I put the boxes or does it matter. Thanks Larry -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998072617395200.NAA02010@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1998 17:39:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13536 Check out the solar melter plans at http://members.aol.com/beetools/solar.htm Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:17:53 -0400 Organization: Compudyne Systems Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6pfv9j$rm@news-central.tiac.net> References: <6pamdp$fp5@news-central.tiac.net> <1998072500122000.UAA00838@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13537 HDsearcher wrote: > Where are you located? Near Hartford, CT. Blake -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the * before the TIAC.NET. Article 13538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:03:13 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> <6par4u$v8r71@scotty.tinet.ie> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af156.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13538 In article <6par4u$v8r71@scotty.tinet.ie>, "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> wrote: > "Bees will work borage freely as a rule, and all day long, but will > sometimes foresake it for other plants such as lime and white clover when > these are in flower and yielding well." > That's interesting. I wonder where I got the idea that borage could not be worked by honey bees... Nick Article 13539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35BB7C27.DE65138@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: splitting hive Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:49:03 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.65 Message-ID: <35bba3b1.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.65 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13539 Larry Williard wrote in message <35BB7C27.DE65138@bigfoot.com>... >I have a new hive since april I madeit 1 2 high brood chamber and it is >nicely filled. I've been told I only need singles around here. Should I >just remove the top brood box and make shure there is some uncapped >brood in it and stores and let the bees make a queen or should I buy >another queen.? How far apart should I put the boxes or does it matter. > Thanks > Larry > Larry, as you may know I live in northeast Alabama and I winter all my hive in 2 stories, I too have heard all the one story "stories" from local beekeeper but I do it my way. I suspect most of the people keeping bees in one brood box are planning to feed there bees if we have a hard winter, I plan on leaving more than the bee need for a hard winter every year. As far as letting the bee produce a queen it depends on if you have a fall flow on jet or not, if not the queen may not be of very good quality or well mated due to very few drones. Alabama has some of the best queen bee producers in the world so you may want to give them a call: I have used Harrell & Sons with great results. Good luck. Article 13540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: fungus Date: 26 Jul 1998 23:07:26 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6pgcre$3ea$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6pb5cq$9o1$1@208.18.95.53> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13540 In article <6pb5cq$9o1$1@208.18.95.53>, W & E Bowles wrote: >I heard there is some kind of fungus killing colonies off. Has anybody >heard about this? Interesting-- I've noticed that the after affected combs of "PMS" hives have an interesting mycelium in them after period of dormancy. What else has anyone heard? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!news.savvis.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 44 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 01:27:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.136.8.60 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:27:10 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13541 In article <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com>, weehawk@sprynet.com says... > >This is my second season keeping bees in southern Louisiana, and this >year I definitely have a surplus of honey. I was considering >approaching a retailer, such as a grocery or health food store, and >offering local honey for sale. I have about fifity gallons of honey >that I am in the process of bottling. I was wondering if anyone had any >experience or advice in dealing with retailers. I'd love to hear about >things that have worked well or not-so-well for others. > >Thanks, >Ame Oberle >Baton Rouge, LA That is good to hear about your honey surplus. I hope the queen is working out for you. As to your question about selling your honey there are a couple of things to consider. In Louisiana there are laws regulating the sell of honey but, if you sell under $5,000 there are no regulation other than reporting your income from the sell of the honey in your tax return. You must also file for an exemption from the Nation Honey Board. As to were to sell your honey I know that fifty gallons of honey sounds like a good amount but one good costumer can use that in a year so plan ahead. Our company sells a good amount of honey to vegetable stands and I know of two in Baton Rouge area you could try. The first on is on the road connecting HWY. 90 with I-10, I can't remember the name of the stand but it does a lot of business. Another stand is off of Airline in front of the Home Depot. You can also try some of the bakeries in Baton Rouge. Try to contact one of the Bagel companies. They use a lot of honey in making some of the bagels and as a topping on toasted bagels. When I was in school down their I always thought about talking with the coffee house in town. I think Coffee Call or the one on the corner of Highland and College would also be a good place to start. If you need containers for your honey try C & G containers in Lafayette they carry a large selection of containers. If you can't find the right containers we carry a large selection of containers from honey bears to glass containers or even bulk plastic jugs. I hope this has help you in selling you honey and if you have any other questions please contact me at whummer@ciai.net or at our office 318-742-3541. William S. Hummer Hummer & Son Honey Farm 287 Sligo Rd. Bossier City, La 71112 > > Article 13542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!newsx.ais.net!nntp0.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Organization Websites Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <2cPu1.26$gR1.175137@nntp0.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:45:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.25.206 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:45:02 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13542 I am in the process of authoring a website for my state beekeeping organization. I am just interested in what would bee useful information on the site for people involved with the industry. Thank you for the help in advance Andy Kettlewell email: rungun305@Ameritech.net Article 13543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!newsx.ais.net!nntp0.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Andy Kettlewell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Melters Glass Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:31:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.18.25.206 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:31:22 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13543 Is there specific kind of glass that works best in a solar wax melter? Will Plexiglas work? -- Andy L. Kettlewell Email: Rungun305@Earthlink.net -- Article 13544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Pupa at Hive Entrance Date: 24 Jul 1998 18:30:43 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6pajsj$ose@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <35B8C74C.7DF837CE@muscanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.108 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13544 Drone or worker? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Bluedorn wrote in article <35B8C74C.7DF837CE@muscanet.com>... > I have noticed that early in the morning, especially after it has rained > during the night, there are dead pupa of different ages lying at the > entrance of my hive. There were about ten today. Why is this? > > I am a new beekeeper - I started just this spring with one hive. > > Nathaniel in Illinois > Article 13545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:19:23 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35BC9A7B.7DA8139B@bigfoot.com> References: <35BB7C27.DE65138@bigfoot.com> <35bba3b1.0@209.149.100.15> Reply-To: circuit9@bigfoot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 901552183 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet77.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13545 I bought my package from them but the queen was the meanest I ever delt with, I made several posts asking the possible cause, well I bought a buckfast queen and replaced her 1-1/2 monts ago and now I again have a normal hive. If I were to get another queen I would get another Buckfast althought they seem to glue everything they can get theie antenna on. I pulled the boxes yesterday. You are right I didnt see many drones only a few. I didnt find the queen and she prefers to stay in the upper box. The lower one had about 4 frames of sealed brood and the upper had about 5 frames of various stages. Both had lots of pollen and some of the upper frames were 75% honey but I also noticed a couple of the outer frames werent pulled fully. There must NOt be a flow on. It doesnt appear Ill get any honey for myself this year unless there is a heavy fall flow. Thanks Larry > Larry, as you may know I live in northeast Alabama and I winter all my hive > in 2 stories, I too have heard all the one story "stories" from local > beekeeper but I do it my way. I suspect most of the people keeping bees in > one brood box are planning to feed there bees if we have a hard winter, I > plan on leaving more than the bee need for a hard winter every year. > As far as letting the bee produce a queen it depends on if you have a fall > flow on jet or not, if not the queen may not be of very good quality or well > mated due to very few drones. > Alabama has some of the best queen bee producers in the world so you may > want to give them a call: I have used Harrell & Sons with great results. > Good luck. -- remove the NUMBER 9 from my return address before replying circuit9@bigfoot.com Article 13546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees working on landing deck Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:39:57 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.201 Message-ID: <35bd027c.0@news.realnews.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.imagin.net!207.226.241.101!news.realnews.net!207.1.217.201 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13546 Just wondering....two of my hives are very busy working on the landing deck. They seem to be eating something while walking back and forth. Any ideas of what they may be doing?? Richard Article 13547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.118.244.209!newsfeed-inn.meganews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen & Jeanie Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oregon (off subject) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:26:17 -0700 Organization: Mountain West Security Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35BD0C98.BD1B4D54@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a8318.dip.cdsnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-CDSI1097 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13547 We have 5.05 acres for sale in Southern Oregon, that would be great for Bees. Year round creek, Huge Fenced garden area, well, septic, 2 bedroom, 1 bath, solid cute house. Several out buildings. BLM land almost surrounds property. Postcard views. contact Allen (541) 597-2737 mtnwest@cdsnet.net or Illinois Valley Real Estate 1-800-344-3813 Article 13548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Glass Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998072722552500.SAA27801@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1998 22:55:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bdb95e$b6347f00$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13548 A solar melter can get hot enough to melt Plex and just about any other plastic (it does a great job on Perico frames if you get my drift). If you are looking for a "cost-effective" (ie cheap) solution, check "remodeling" yard sales, building "seconds" dealers, etc and find a double glass window that is close to your projected design size and THEN build your melter to fit. The plans we have at http://members.aol.com/beetools/solar.htm are a good guide, but build it to fit the materials at hand. One suggestion - a friend of mine built his solar melter deep enough to take a deep frame standing up. This allow him to process lots of old brood comb quickly. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!206.55.3.15!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: greens@mnsinc "DOT". com (Tim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Glass Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:30:02 GMT Organization: Verio Mid-Atlantic Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35bd1a9d.4475275@news1.mnsinc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: greenstr.mnsinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13549 Andy, Unbroken works best in my area,Virginia. Plexiglas won't stand the heat generated by the solar heater. I use window Glass for mine 1/8" or better. paint the inside flat black for better heat absorption Tim On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:31:22 GMT, "Andy Kettlewell" wrote: >Is there specific kind of glass that works best in a solar wax melter? Will >Plexiglas work? > >-- >Andy L. Kettlewell >Email: Rungun305@Earthlink.net Article 13550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Problem...... ;-( Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:15:46 -0400 Organization: Compudyne Systems Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6pamdp$fp5@news-central.tiac.net> References: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> <1998072400582200.UAA12916@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13550 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > spray a can of ether ( starting fluid ) into the hole. > > weeks later when all the wax has melted and your walls are covered with sour > bug juice and rotten honey, you'll realize that there is much more to this than > just killing a bee hive ! > > find a pro bee keeper, whose done it before, the destruction wont be bad at > all. > Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC The only thing going that iv'e got going for me is that the bees have recently moved in. How much honey could be in there? I like the idea of starter fluid. Probibly best used in the night while all the bees are home? Can you also reccomend a poison that could be mixed with a syrup that the bees would eat. I'll try the starter fluid, but the area is very inaccessable. thus the problem with removing them physically to a real hive. Not my house the hive. And I honistly dont know if it will penetrate to the major areas. How lnog does it take to generate a substantial amount of honey -> fermentation problem. I think the bees have been at it for less than 1 week. What does fermented honey in walls smell like anyways? Thanks again, Blake -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the * before the TIAC.NET. Article 13551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:05:53 -0500 Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6pjer9$hu8$1@news.iquest.net> References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: iq-and-as000-12.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13551 Well I'd put our clover honey up against your sourwood, except I've never had the pleasure of sourwood honey. I will however, put our Indiana sunsets with thousands of lightning bugs hovering over the soy bean fields up against your mountain sunrise (it's a matter of being happy with where you are I think) Julie Don Israel wrote in message <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net>... >Yes Julie there is something more beautiful than the sun shining through >a jar of golden honey. The sun shing through a jar of golden or even >pure sourwood honey at sunrise in the mountains of North Carolina. > Article 13552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.iquest.net!not-for-mail From: "Julie Wise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:02:30 -0500 Organization: The Macaw's Roost Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6pjel2$hpc$1@news.iquest.net> References: <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> <1998072416164000.MAA05409@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iq-and-as000-12.iquest.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13552 Well, when my husband and I spend the evening after harvesting comparing our aches and pains from the time spent leaning over the hive, lifting the honey laden supers (my husband's job - I can't do it), holding on to our small 2 frame extractor as he turns it, etc. etc. etc. --- it does feel like we earned our honey and didn't rob it. Then when I see one of our girls wandering on the ground desperately reaching over her back with her legs to see where her wings are gone, then I have an appreciation for real work and feel a bit like a thief. All in all it's a pretty good relationship though - and I never could keep up with pc speech! Julie HDsearcher wrote in message <1998072416164000.MAA05409@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >Thought this was a kinder, gentler hobby. Surely it can't bee politically >correct to say "rob". Harvest, yield, pulled, or even garner, maybe even >glean but, rob. I don't know if I can handle that. Sounds like someone should >start a bee advocacy group and stand up for those little girls rights. > >As a side note, harvest is going well approx 100 lbs per hive here in very >south MS and it's still coming in. Mites are minimal to very few. > >I should know better than to read this before my coffee. I start getting all >Cliff Clavin'ee > > > >Everyone should have fun sometimes(me) Article 13554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: Don Israel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Johnson Gland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:09:35 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35B53BCF.E4E33CF3@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust175.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EC7C43908EE1BDA25CAE42B1" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13554 --------------EC7C43908EE1BDA25CAE42B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from North Carolina, I am trying to get information on the Johnson gland located at the base of the antenna of the honey bee(Apis mellifera). Any help will be appreciated. Thank you, Don --------------EC7C43908EE1BDA25CAE42B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from North Carolina,

I am trying to get information on the Johnson gland located at the base of the antenna of the honey bee(Apis mellifera). Any help will be appreciated.

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Don --------------EC7C43908EE1BDA25CAE42B1-- Article 13555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!130.207.244.101.MISMATCH!GT-News!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:11:50 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6p41a5$rkr39@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <4Hts1.1004$3r.1341453@newsfeed.slurp.net> <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13555 Adrian Kyte wrote in message <01bdb489$59ec0080$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com>... > Is flax the crop that makes fields blue? Yes, otherwise known as linseed Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tracking AHB Populations Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:56:07 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6p3utp$8d9$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf3081.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13556 I am interested in tracking the spread of AHB in the U.S. . Presently I am looking for background material: How is the spread of africanized honey bees currently being tracked, and by whom? Is there any national effort to do this? What about on a state level? I know CDFA publishes maps and that UCDavis may have some sort of program. If anyone could provide me with references, contacts, or information, I would appreciate it greatly. Thank you, Tobin Fricke tobin@sji.org <-- please reply (or cc) via email to make sure I get your response! Article 13557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35B5BA71.95A6121@borg.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:09:54 -0400 From: Howard Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Maxant chain uncapper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: l44.borg.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: l44.borg.com Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!130.207.244.101.MISMATCH!GT-News!cc.gatech.edu!firehose.mindspring.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.217.206.138!nntp2.borg.com!l44.borg.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13557 For Sale: Maxant chain uncapper. Complete and ready to use. $650.00 fob Utica, NY Howie Cohen Utica, NY Article 13558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolan Queens Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:06:21 -0400 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35B6382D.39C6AB0@mediaone.net> References: <1280-35B59A86-791@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: morpheus101@webtv.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13558 Steven,Studies conducted at PSU have demonstrated that these ARS-Y-C-1 Carniolans do not live up to the claims. Unless you are conducting your own breeding program, it is advisable to treat when you have mites. Kathy Article 13559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!news.he.net!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tobin Fricke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shipping bees? Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:14:28 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6p6grn$55k$1@news01.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-lkf0035.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13559 What are the various options involved in shipping a colony of bees approximately 500 miles? Tobin Fricke fricke@mae.engr.ucdavis.edu Article 13560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Canola Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:01:02 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35b7cf43.9104433@news.jps.net> References: <6p4p78$es1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998072223052500.TAA14869@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.14 Lines: 20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13560 On 22 Jul 1998 23:05:25 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: canola= canada oil low acid = hybrid rape seed oil Rape seed oil is no longer politically correct in the US but maybe rape is, at least in some high government circles. I guess you could design cotton seed oil with the same ingreadents and call it something else. Politics and PR are into everything today the biggest was calling liquid sugar made from corn a non sugar to avoid the controls the world puts on sugar production, its just too bad the beet sugar producers did not think of that a 100 years ago as they would still be growing strong instead of being in decline. ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.65.142!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: Blake M Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Problem...... ;-( Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:54:45 -0400 Organization: Compudyne Systems Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6p80qg$60o@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blakem.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13561 Live in a older (100yr) home (money pit) that seems to call the great outdoors' into live with me. The latest problem (before it was starlings in the attic and eves, mice in the kitchen, sparrows in the chimney, spiders in the electronics, and more) is bees in the 2nd floor area. The area is rather inaccessible and would be big $$$ to physically uncover the hive area. They came in through a hole pecked through some rigid insulation by the previous starlings - before I realized they did this (after that the Beeman Air rifle earned it's keep - no more birds (alive that is)). I wont cover up the hole until the bees are gone to the great hive in the sky. I learned this bit of wisdom 2 years ago with a yellowjacket infestation. Plug up the hole with some living and they will find other ways to escape. Duhhhhhhh real bright that boy...... Woke up to about 200-300 in my bedroom, stepped onto the floor -> wrong move. Foot now covered with stinging half, smooshed yellowjackets. Dumb move! Finally escaped to a safer part of my house and returned with the huge shop vac from my workshop and removed every one of those bastards from the floor and air!!! Ok let me get to the point -> what is the best way to kill the hive. preferably with a minimum use of poisons, etc. I don't like to use them but I am at whit's end here. Can a baited poison be used at the exit mouth targeting only the bees? Id let my friend take them (he's got 2 hives) but it would require a MAJOR destruction/construction job, and I cant afford that now... Thank you for your input, Blake Suffering in Connecticut -- CUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPTI CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults....) My Email address is altered due to the prevalence of bulk Email senders. To send me mail remove the * before the TIAC.NET. Article 13562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working on landing deck Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 06:03:46 -0400 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6pk7s1$6lj$1@juliana.sprynet.com> References: <35bd027c.0@news.realnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn102-014.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13562 Sounds like what the books call " washboard behaviour". Supposed to be the sign of a strong colony and all is well. Ernie Scofield >Any ideas of what they may be doing?? > Article 13563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees working on landing deck Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998072811202700.HAA13069@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1998 11:20:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6pk7s1$6lj$1@juliana.sprynet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13563 I have never seen a weak colony do this. Therefore I assume they are dancing. Tom in CT Article 13564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Glass Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998072811233800.HAA13205@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1998 11:23:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35bd1a9d.4475275@news1.mnsinc.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13564 With all the windows going to the dump (or "tip" as the case may be )as replacement windows get installed. Get your window frame glass and all and design your melter around that. No need for double glass or anything fancy Article 13565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.26.210.166!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: bees hanging out Message-ID: <35BDF575.E2C8F532@analogic.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:59:50 -0400 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13565 I'm a first year beekeeper in Eastern Massachussetts. I have two brood chambers, a queen excluder, and a super. For the last few weeks a lot of bees have been hanging around the front of the hive entrance, apparently doing nothing. Only a few seem to be engaged in ventilation or guarding. This sometimes happens at night, too. I have even observed them hanging from the hive in strings of bees linked together. I have a good queen, lots of brood, lots of stored honey in the brood chambers. There are bees in the super, but they don't seem to be interested in building comb there. Are things going well? Thank you. Article 13566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aspiring commercial bee-keeper- need to buy foundation - where? Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:59:45 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35be00d2.134310548@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-109.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jul 28 10:08:03 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13566 Hi all, Anyone know where I can buy foundation (Duragilt) @ decent pricing? n (200 lbs or so to order) Or bee-drugs such as Apistan? - Looking to buy in quantities to make this hobby into more of a business. Dadant & Sons seem to have great quality, but I've found several places which makes wood products @ cheaper prices, so I'm assuming the same of foundation and other supplies. Any help is appreciated, Matthew Westall - Colorado Also, if this is any help to others - I found a good site for reasonable hive parts (http://www.mwoodp.com/) Article 13567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:48:26 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bdb95d$36d70440$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289 <6pc5mf$4ch@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13567 Richard Yarnell wrote in article <6pc5mf$4ch@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > What is "glass quilt?" > A 'glass quilt' is a transparent cover board. You get to see the bees when you lift only the roof. I have one that is made of a rigid plastic material, it bounces better than glass . Article 13568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: "Adrian Kyte" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Glass Date: 27 Jul 1998 12:59:09 GMT Organization: Nortel Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bdb95e$b6347f00$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13568 I use a piece of plastic conservatory roof that is transparent but not completely clear, it's double skinned with about 1 cm between the skins with a support link about a cm apart i.e. it is a bit like 1 cm square tubes joined together. It works fine but really clear transparent material would let more heat pass through Andy Kettlewell wrote in article ... > Is there specific kind of glass that works best in a solar wax melter? Will > Plexiglas work? > > -- > Andy L. Kettlewell > Email: Rungun305@Earthlink.net > -- Article 13569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Melters Glass Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:45:12 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bdb95e$b6347f00$3088262f@ppaid00t.europe.nortel.com> <1998072722552500.SAA27801@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 901664699 nnrp-01:23872 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13569 In article <1998072722552500.SAA27801@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Beetools writes >A solar melter can get hot enough to melt Plex and just about any other plastic >(it does a great job on Perico frames if you get my drift). If you are looking >for a "cost-effective" (ie cheap) solution, check "remodeling" yard sales, >building "seconds" dealers, etc and find a double glass window that is close to >your projected design size and THEN build your melter to fit. They can also get hot enough to crack the glass in double-glazed units - Even here in the UK -- Tom S Luckyole bee Article 13570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspiring commercial bee-keeper- need to buy foundation - where? Date: 28 Jul 1998 22:31:56 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01bdba66$24c717e0$LocalHost@default> References: <35be00d2.134310548@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13570 There is a big difference between what Dadant shows as prices in there catalog vs. market prices for wooden ware. Best to make a call. FWIW, IMLE foundation doesn't get any worse than Duragilt. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail flightdeck wrote in article <35be00d2.134310548@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > Hi all, > > > Anyone know where I can buy foundation (Duragilt) @ decent pricing? n > (200 lbs or so to order) Or bee-drugs such as Apistan? - Looking to > buy in quantities to make this hobby into more of a business. > > Dadant & Sons seem to have great quality, but I've found several > places which makes wood products @ cheaper prices, so I'm assuming the > same of foundation and other supplies. > > Any help is appreciated, > > Matthew Westall - Colorado > > > Also, if this is any help to others - I found a good site for > reasonable hive parts (http://www.mwoodp.com/) > > Article 13571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: kentucky fall honey flow?? Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:33:28 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.181 Message-ID: <35be5272.0@news.realnews.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!news.realnews.net!207.1.217.181 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13571 Could someone tell me when the fall honey flow begins and ends in Kentucky approximately Thank you Richard Hackworth Article 13572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: 29 Jul 1998 00:42:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6plr5t$9o3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.22.152 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13572 I missed something here. What is glass quilt? Is it like the stuff used to glaze green houses? I have some wooden inner covers that don't sage, but they expand and stick in the cover. I'm using them to cover un-extracted capped honey at the moment. Pete JAF wrote in message <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>... >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:49:37 +0100, "rj" wrote: > >> >> >>>Wooden inner covers don't sag! (At least not around here.) >>>Mark >> >> >>If you only have one hive try a "glass quilt" its almost as good as an >>observation hive >> >Seconded! I can look whenever I feel like it, without disturbing the >girls at all......and I'm the sort of beekeeper who can't leave them >alone, so a glass quilt is a must, for minimum disturbance, but >maximum rubber-necking.... > >-- >JAF >jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk edit to reply. >www.jaf.nildram.co.uk (Currently: Edale Photos) Article 13573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: dugan1@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:31:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6plu1n$onf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35BDF575.E2C8F532@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.204.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 29 01:31:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13573 This is my first year, too, so this reply is a bit of blind leading the blind, but you might be interested in my recent experience: The nectar flow is tapering off here in NE Tennessee, so I'm hoping to harvest my first super or two of honey in the next week or two when I start my Apistan/Terramycin/Menthol treatment. I've been successful keeping the queen out of the supers without an excluder, but with harvest so near, I chickened out and put on an excluder last Sunday, just for the last week or two. All summer I've seen very little of the bees hanging out at the entrance, even during weather in the 90's (I have 2 brood chambers, I've kept enough empty supers on the hive, and have a full-width entrance and a stick under the cover for ventilation). But the day after I put the super on, the bees were hanging out at the entrance all day, on a relatively cool day (low 80's) and they're still there today, the second day. Like yours, many are doing nothing, only a few are fanning, and many are "washboarding." In the process, I also installed an Imirie Shim above the excluder to give the bees a way around the excluder, and they're hanging out around this opening, too. I may be totally off-base, but I wonder if the excluder has any connection to the bees at the entrance. n1vxs@juno.com wrote: > I'm a first year beekeeper in Eastern Massachussetts. > > I have two brood chambers, a queen excluder, and a super. > > For the last few weeks a lot of bees have been hanging around the front > of the hive entrance, apparently doing nothing. Only a few seem to be > engaged in ventilation or guarding. This sometimes happens at night, > too. I have even observed them hanging from the hive in strings of bees > linked together. > > I have a good queen, lots of brood, lots of stored honey in the brood > chambers. There are bees in the super, but they don't seem to be > interested in building comb there. > > Are things going well? > > Thank you. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: hubpub@fuck.it.now (Hubert the Pubert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Beeswax Wanted Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:27:59 GMT Organization: IDT (Best News In The World) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35be5e34.143760491@news.idt.net> References: <01bdb76b$0b5140e0$03bcd8cc@SIGNUP.CTS.COM> Reply-To: blase.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-37.ts-5.nyc.idt.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13574 On 25 Jul 1998 01:24:52 GMT, "Sharon" wrote: >I plan to set up a small beeswax refining operation in the Southern >California area. I am looking for sources of raw beeswax, preferably in >the surrounding region. How is the beeswax trade handled in this area? I >understand that a lot of beekeepers belong to honey associations that >purchase their wax along with their honey. Do the associations sell raw >wax at reasonable prices to small time refiners? If anyone has information >on this subject or is looking for someone to sell their wax to, please let >me know. >Thank you, >Bob Riedy >rriedy@cts.com Well I have raw beeswax from my butt that I'd be willing to share upon request....please address all inquieries to Wonderful Jim PO Boc 255 General Supermarket Raliegh, SC 23552 Hope to hear from you Article 13575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to begin mite protection for fall? Date: 29 Jul 1998 04:24:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6pm86k$rdi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-7.sl043.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13575 Well, the one hive looks really healthy and has just about filled two supers and two brood chambers. Should I put on that third super or is it time to begin a fall anti-mite program? I was wiped out by varroa two years ago and it seemed to come on pretty quickly in August. I would like to add the third super and then take supers off and introduce apistan strips around 1 Sept. I am in the Virginia mountains. Am I about to be undone by my greed or is it OK to go for that third super? Does anybody think I need menthol or grease patties or will apistan probably be enough? Article 13576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: eating bee and moth larvae Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:37:05 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d45.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 29 Jul 1998 04:38:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13576 Does anyone have recipies for cooking bee lavae? Has anyone tried these? I once tried ant larvae, which taste a lot like shrimp. I guess that is not surprising, considering they are both arthropods. (You can purchase those at any decent Cambodian market. ) I was tempted to eat some drone brood, but got disgusted with the varroa mites. By the way, I have also heard that wax moths are easily raised in a glycerine substrate, and make excellent snacks. Regards. Marc Andelman Article 13577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998072911012500.HAA22428@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1998 11:01:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6plu1n$onf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13577 I think your problems are more directly related to your areas honey flow. Your field bees having very little to gather creates an over abunadant amount of bees staying at the hive. If all these bees were to stay within the hive at your current areas temps. Then you would have an overheating problem. To curb this the bees hang out on the front porch - as it were. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something (me) Article 13578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eating bee and moth larvae Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998072911325400.HAA24123@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1998 11:32:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13578 Interesting Diet there Mark. Lacking in proteins are we? I prefer mine just slightly toasted in a nonstick pan with my favorite glass of cherry mead. Article 13579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eating bee and moth larvae Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:45:05 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35BF3571.4961@ultranet.com> References: <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com> <6pnc73$eqv$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2.dial-6.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 29 Jul 1998 14:46:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) To: "Jerome R. Long" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13579 Jerome R. Long wrote: > > > I always wondered what it meant in the Bible when it said that John > the Baptist ate honey and locusts. Locusts are of course grasshoppers. Poor people back then would eat the bugs, after the bugs had eaten their crops and made them poor. Did you know there is supposed to be a loophole in the bible, and that eating locusts is Kosher? This is in Leviticus somewhere. Eating bee larvae is definitely not kosher. Maybe there is a rabbinical scholar - beekeeper out there who can help . Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eating bee and moth larvae Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:39:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6pnc73$eqv$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-11.sl052.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13580 In article <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com>, drgonfly@ultranet.com says... > >Does anyone have recipies for cooking bee lavae? >Has anyone tried these? I once tried ant larvae, which >taste a lot like shrimp. I guess that is not surprising, >considering they are both arthropods. >(You can purchase those at any decent Cambodian market. ) >I was tempted to eat some drone brood, but got >disgusted with the varroa mites. > >By the way, I have also heard that wax moths >are easily raised in a glycerine substrate, >and make excellent snacks. I always wondered what it meant in the Bible when it said that John the Baptist ate honey and locusts. Article 13581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test for Varroa?? Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:41:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 2 Message-ID: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-11.sl052.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13581 Is there an easy sure way to test one's hive for varroa mites? Article 13582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspiring commercial bee-keeper- need to buy foundation - where? Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998072917555900.NAA02325@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1998 17:55:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35be00d2.134310548@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13582 If you really want Duragilt, the only way to get the price down below $125 for 25# (I believe we are the lowest priced dealer on that product right now) is to send in wax to Dadant for processing into foundation. If you'll check it out, the Dadant wholesale price for Duragilt is more than most dealers are selling it at retail. Dealers get their foundation by buying wax and sending it in to be worked into foundation. The main thing you will want to consider in buying to get your cost down in woodware is to buy local and buy in 100 and 1,000 quanities direct from the woodmill. Also factor into your pricing the cost of freight. the closest mill to you is Western Bee in Montana (which is "controlled by Dadant I'm told). You should figure on a drive to Montana in a good size truck - a pallet of 100 deeps or 2000 frames weighs about 2,500# and is four feet high). There are no deals on Apristan other than buying the 100 unit box. There is a "cartel" of four dealers (the only ones that Wellmark will sell direct to) that are keeping the price high to protect their margin. Good luck Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Allen Litherland Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eating bee and moth larvae Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:53:19 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35BF8BBF.101@midwest.net> References: <35BEA6F1.2277@ultranet.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 901738671 .ZFUVYH4M051DD0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13583 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Does anyone have recipies for cooking bee lavae? > Regards. > Marc Andelman You're a sick man Marc, but this should do the trick: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/maaltijd.html Bon appetite. AL ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 13584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to begin mite protection for fall? Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998072911302000.HAA23998@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1998 11:30:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6pm86k$rdi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13584 The treatments that you speak of, are for different types of mites. Not being chemically oriented (hard to believe growing up in the 60 & 70's huh?) I would not treat for something you don't have. Learn to do the ether roll test or use someone elses tecnique to find out if you have a Var-mites. If you do, then treat in accordance with labeling instructions. Your gease patties and menthol is used for tracheal mites and foulbrood. Treatment is different than that of the varroa. Menthol being used after your flow and in accordance with instructions. Grease patties or extender patties being used at different times to control mites and foulbrood. Also not during a flow. Not during a flow also means that your honey supers have been pulled from the hives so as not to be contaminated by the chemicals used. You should also note that what works for someone in say bubblegum Texas isn't going to work for you. Link up with beekeepers in your area or your state inspector and read up more on the parasites your trying to control. Article 13585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.ici.net!not-for-mail From: donsoff Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Bees Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:53:46 -0700 Organization: The Internet Connection Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35BF377A.51DE9F70@ici.net> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> <6mmivt$j8v$1@news1.infoave.net> <01bda2f2$dd389460$4008e6cd@fbates> <35975f4f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1> <01bda689$48674620$7df135ce@spooky> Reply-To: donsoff@ici.net NNTP-Posting-Host: d-ma-superpop-1-53.ici.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8369 rec.gardens:274692 rec.gardens.edible:14301 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13585 sci.agriculture.fruit:2085 Try this site for more info http://www.ent.iastate.edu/List/ http://www.ent.iastate.edu/List/Beekeeping.html Julie R. Wise wrote: > Paul Onstad wrote in article > <01bda368$3dae47c0$87c12399@dell1>... > > > >>Brad Faber wrote: > > > > > >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other > > > >>pollinators to a home garden? > > > > Just make them comfortable in your area. In early season there won't be > > much in the garden to attract them but if you have lawn clover, don't mow > > selected areas while it's blooming. > > We actually discovered that the bees like it better when the clover is > mowed. When mowing once last year I just didn't have the heart to cut it > down because there were so many bees working - so I left a patch behind the > barn. During the week we went to watch the bees work and each day we > noticed fewer in the old patch, but where we had mowed there was fresh > clover growing with bees greedily working. I think that each blossom only > has so much nectar, once harvested it's worthless. Cutting the clover once > a week encourages new blossoms to grow and keeps the girls happy. > > -- > Julie > east central Indiana USA Article 13586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inner Cover ? Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:06:34 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35bed09b.452510@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <1998071000092000.UAA19828@ladder01.news.aol.com> <1998071013012300.JAA04289@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6oc5mh$6fc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6ok50n$7nh$1@wopr.wolfram.com> <35b83223.0@news.thefree.net> <35bbc426.3173840@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6plr5t$9o3@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-1.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 15 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!news.udel.edu!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-1.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13586 On 29 Jul 1998 00:42:37 GMT, "Pete A. Wolcott" wrote: >I missed something here. What is glass quilt? Is it like the >stuff used to glaze green houses? I have some wooden inner >covers that don't sage, but they expand and stick in the cover. >I'm using them to cover un-extracted capped honey at the moment. >Pete Quilt is the inner cover, usually of wood, or hardboard, with holes for 'bee escapes' so it can be used as a clearer board, or to take a feeder. Glass on enables you to look in without removing any parts other than the roof. May be called a quilt because a square of cloth or sacking was used in the past. Article 13587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Beeswax Wanted Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:06:01 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35BFD509.AC5897F5@valley.net> References: <01bdb76b$0b5140e0$03bcd8cc@SIGNUP.CTS.COM> <35be5e34.143760491@news.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-182.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13587 Hubert the Pubert wrote: > On 25 Jul 1998 01:24:52 GMT, "Sharon" wrote: > > >I plan to set up a small beeswax refining operation in the Southern > >California area. I am looking for sources of raw beeswax, preferably in > >the surrounding region. How is the beeswax trade handled in this area? I > >understand that a lot of beekeepers belong to honey associations that > >purchase their wax along with their honey. Do the associations sell raw > >wax at reasonable prices to small time refiners? If anyone has information > >on this subject or is looking for someone to sell their wax to, please let > >me know. > >Thank you, > >Bob Riedy > >rriedy@cts.com > Well I have raw beeswax from my butt that I'd be willing to share upon > request....please address all inquieries to Wonderful Jim PO Boc 255 > General Supermarket Raliegh, SC 23552 > Hope to hear from you hmmmm. wouldn't the correct term then be buttwax? bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 13588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aspiring commercial bee-keeper- need to buy foundation - where? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:43:07 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35c08143.39154591@news.jps.net> References: <35be00d2.134310548@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <1998072917555900.NAA02325@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.45 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.45 Lines: 34 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13588 On 29 Jul 1998 17:55:59 GMT, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: >There are no deals on Apristan other than buying the 100 unit box. There is a >"cartel" of four dealers (the only ones that Wellmark will sell direct to) that >are keeping the price high to protect their margin. There is a $00.05 cents US discount, called the "Hive-To-Honey Rebate" on all purchases of APISTAN in 1998 of a minimum of 600 strips packed in boxes of 100 from ZOECON. To get that big $30.00 rebate check Send your original invoice to: Marilyn Wade P.O. Box 8549 Prospect Heights, IL 60070 "A bunch of cheap bastards!" According to A.J. Nachbaur, in his humble opinion. "Some would call the different Bee Mites blood suckers but they are nothing compared to the Chemical Company taking advantage of all beekeepers with the blessing of the US government by selling beekeepers a few cents worth of a common and cheap agricultural chemical that has never worked good at inflated prices." "The beekeeper has no choice but to wait and see which develops resistance fastest, the bee mites or the bee keeper." "Appears the mites are winning this race according to what I read and hear from a few beekeepers and those in BS and bee regulation who would like to see another product dumped on the beekeepers back.". ttul, the OLd Drone (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!134.129.111.78!news.sendit.nodak.edu!news.nodak.edu!leto.ou.edu!news.ou.edu!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Windows 98! 11.95!! Date: 30 Jul 1998 15:41:22 GMT Organization: The University of Oklahoma (USA) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6pq472$kjk$5018@artemis.backbone.ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.15.22.36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13589 That is correct! Software Blowout! Windows 98 - 11.95 Office 97 Pro - 11.95 Windows NT - 11.95 To find out more on how to get these great packages for next to nothing, check us out on the web, http://www.telepath.com/vista