From joylsoc@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: joylsoc@aol.com (JOYLSOC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment for sale Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 04:16:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703001649.07918.00005170@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19071 What are you asking; shipping, etc. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-238.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:26:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.ee X-Server-Date: 3 Jul 1999 05:30:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:142 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19072 In article , "Jeff" wrote: > I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved > potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I started with two books: "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie info Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <%6pf3.5445$I72.594632@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:29:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012155 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:143 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19073 Jeff If you are considering bees for profit, you should look into doing pollination for orchards. Pollination is guaranteed money. Honey prices have started to fall back into the .50 per lb. range, and it is hard to make money at that price, with all of the medications and work needed by the bees. For more info check out this website - www.draperbee.com Good luck! Royal Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bottle Source Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:39:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012749 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19074 We sell plastic 8 oz., 1 lb. bottles and Bears for honey. Here is a link to our site www.draperbee.com Call me if have any questions. Royal Draper 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net David James wrote in message <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com>... >Does anyone know of a manufacturer/factory source for plastic bottles >suitable for bottling honey. Also which size of bottle of honey sells the >best for you? > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:12:07 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931003753 75580 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19075 Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend as many beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the industry) and there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in your area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You can read all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from hands-on experience. --Busybee Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:21:57 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7lkv3n$2828$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931004343 73800 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19076 That's great that they chose you! Unless you want the committment to manage this swarm, I would call a beekeeper in your area to come and get them. If you have your heart set in keeping them in your yard, maybe you can make a deal with the beekeep to hive the swarm for you and he/she can work with you to get to know the bees and the involvement of managing a hive. There is more here than meets the eye. --Busybee SunnyDiane wrote in message <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com>... >A swarm of honey bees have set up housekeeping in the eave of our house. We >like having them around, just not necessarily in that location. My husband >built a bee box, but think he was too late in getting it out. We live in >northwest Washington state-- will the bees stay here all winter or do they >migrate somewhere warmer? How do we encourage them to move into the bee box >and if we do succeed in getting them to move, can we then move the bee box to a >protected location that isn't right by the front door? Any advise will "bee" >appreciated. SunnyDiane From eford@ipa.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "j.b.ford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:15:43 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-39.bat.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 931029049 6813 207.13.33.39 (3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19077 i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? -- j.b.ford From h.tait@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> Subject: Re: queen replacement Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:14:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 931032856 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19078 I hear the devil comes in all shapes , sizes and genders. He is the master of lies and illusion. At this point I am bailing out. lolotf hugh Boschman hughes Apiaries AL wrote in message news:377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net... > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > > NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > > NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I > think he has a point.... > > > AL From gwoods@albany.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:39:28 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <377e7472.84166854@news.monmouth.com> References: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7p9.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19079 "j.b.ford" wrote: > i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with >one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? More common than you think: I recall a thread here on that subject, and apparently a second queen is not at all uncommon, especially when the first one is getting a little "long in the tooth." We don't often tumble to it, because, "There she is; brood pattern looks good; on to the next hive." -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From Fivepoint@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiv2qvjiZyBiBeEkMnp9N4GA6jwMCFCRwSix1lRcuD1nz+lxKfqT9CX/X Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19080 Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 21:01:03 GMT References: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19081 >Picture Julia Child in spandex on Yeah but Julia is talented. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp+A8vFuD+8h9PgHB/uT7jthkM08CFQCHm1XJQaNCJY3jAvTZcuYmTZcvKw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19082 Are the bees nesting or are they still in a swarm? They may be a little challenge to move if they are inside and already building comb. They are more difficult because honey, wax and other products of a hive become a part of your home. This location will always be attractive to bees in the future. They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and as long as they can keep the mites off them. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:02:12 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lm4od$2fq$1@gxsn.com> References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.246 X-Trace: 931042893 1NNUCNF1G85F6C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19083 Perhaps the devil itself !!? Chris AL wrote in message <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net>... >LauraMLeek wrote: >> >> NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > >NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I >think he has a point.... > > >AL From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:31:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 931047739 24.95.169.104 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19084 1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. a few questions: Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? What was the anti-acarine ingredient? and Why was it so quickly taken off the market? 2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... (This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) many thanks From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:21:22 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <377EB712.2B9759EE@kingston.net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.112 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:19:20 GMT X-Trace: 931051160.584.8 QANSHOMNI3470CDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19085 Hi Joel, The product that is out now in the United States is called Checkmite+. It is used against varroa and the small hive beetle and is manufactured by Bayer. They say the compound has been used by European beekeepers since the 1980's to fight varroa. For more information call 1-800-233-6663 or 1-800-880-7694. And NY is approved to use it. Good luck. Kent From jason71@usit.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: aggressive hive! Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 02:58:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.144.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 931057121 216.80.144.132 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19086 I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super (beginning to draw comb). Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Jason Wilson To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net From mdiver@voy.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ21b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lye or Bleach? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.171.79 X-Trace: typ21b.nn.bcandid.com 931060403 209.42.171.79 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19087 I know that lye works for taking care of AFB by killing th spore. So wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have any Idea if it would work or not? From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:38:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <377ED724.C2F@midwest.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:22 GMT X-Trace: 931060402.068.35 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19088 Daniel Restle wrote: > > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed Hey, thats not fair to Julia... bon appetite AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-160.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:54:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.a0 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 03:55:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19089 In article , "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! > (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Damn. Are you wearing gloves and netting? Even a bee suit? Where are you located? I wonder if some Africanized drones may have mated with your queen, thus producing more aggressive workers. I'm a novice, so this is pure speculation. I'm still yet to be stung by my girls, though! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:03:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704000350.15120.00000611@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19090 >I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Sounds like a hive that is doing very well, and filled up its boxes so full that it's getting crowded. Any hive that is crowded is apt to be snotty. Are you seeing lots of burr comb being built? Burr comb is a warning that the hive is too crowded, especially if it's on the bottom of the cover. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From timjk@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:05:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 04 04:05:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.101 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19091 It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting excited about this or just give them some more time? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:42:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19092 >work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > the afb spore has survived in the lab for 50+ years now, it is assumed by researchers that an atomic blast might kill it. no my friend, clorox will not work ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but not bleach. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:47:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19093 > Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(begin >Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the put a little rock under the back of the top cover,gives em some more ventilation put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind and realize that like you bees have bad days wear light clothing, no fancy shampoos or cologne Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 05:43:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19094 I remember reading in a beginning beekeeping book that package bees are good to start new beekeepers with because a new small colony is gentle and easy to work with -- however, as a hive grows bigger, it becomes more aggressive. (I'm a first-year beekeeper too.) My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite aggressive. Sometimes bees seem to just take after me for no reason. It could just be that your hive has reached that point in its development, and learning to live with such hives is a fact of beekeeper existence. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Bob was Rong Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.219 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931067692 216.100.28.219 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:59:35 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19095 Bee Bob said that the bees in the honey super would move down into the top bar hive if I just kept feeding them. I have been feeding them and they have been doing fine progressing nicely but they still haven't gone down to live in the top bar hive. They check it out, of course, and walk around in it, but they haven't started drawing comb down there, and not many are even going in there. In colonies I've had before they always progress from the bottom to the top, not from the top to the bottom, but who am I to doubt Bee Bob? Maybe I will remove the honey super and remove the top bars and then lay two wooden slats along the top bar hive so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey super back on top of the top bar hive. I wonder how the bees will like them apples? From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:58:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19096 "Jason Wilson" wrote: >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net You didn't give your location. If the honey flow has slowed down for the summer the bees tend to protect what they stored in the spring. In the summer a lot of flowers only produce nectar early in the morning. Work the bees then. Once the flowers shut down, the foragers all come home in a rather pissed off state of mind. Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 07:51:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.140 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:49:58 GMT X-Trace: 931088998.217.51 QANSHOMNI348CCDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19097 Hi Jason, The group has covered the main reasons for a hive to be aggressive. Since you didn't give your location it makes it a little more difficult for the group to narrow it down. One thing that happened to me the last few years is skunks started to visit the hives at night. My ussually nice quite hives became quite aggitated when I opened them. Not to the piont of stinging me but I knew something was wrong. I'm located in Ontario and since there are plenty of grubs for the skunks to eat still, they haven't bothered the hives yet. I got rid of 5 two years ago and 2 last year. I'm not saying you have skunks, but just keep your eyes open for evidence of intruders. Kent Stienburg From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:50:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19098 JGinNY wrote: >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. >a few questions: >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Yes. >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? No. >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? Amitraz. >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to treat for varroa. >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works against the hive beetle as well. >(This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if >someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) >many thanks Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:21:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931087135 49462 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19099 Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). Sometimes it does take a little longer...do you have strong bees in the bottom super(s)? I can tell a nice strong hive when the top cover is popped there is a collective "surprised" hum that's hard to miss. Gosh, that is a nice sound... --Busybee timjk@my-deja.com wrote in message <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder >but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting >excited about this or just give them some more time? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:12:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lnfe4$29l8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931086596 75432 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19100 Mark that hive for a definate re-queening. IMO, come fall stings pack more punch, too! --Busybee Jason Wilson wrote in message ... >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! > > >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:38:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143828.19829.00002161@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19101 You owe it to yourself to requeen mean hives. The bees should not be seeking you out to sting even in a dearth of nectar. But they sure will beat you up when you work the hive during a dearth. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:34:06 GMT References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19102 Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison ? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 17:35:06 GMT References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19103 Hi Kent, How did you get rid of your skunks? All the books suggest a board full of nails under the landing board. All that hammering seems too time consuming, and the device itself could be hazardous to my own health. Someone here in eastern Massachusetts recommended putting the hives on a stand about 12-18 inches off the ground (cinder blocks standing on end), and then hanging chicken wire from the landing board to the ground. The skunks, according to this person, avoid the wire because it reminds them of traps. It seems to me though that skunks in increasingly urbanized America might learn to be kind of cavilier about wire, since it's everywhere. Nevertheless, I put the wire up on all my hives just because I'm a first-year beekeep and I wanted to try to eliminate as many variables as possible. JM From dscribner@NOSPAMbigfoot.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:44:27 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7loh1t$omt@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-35.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jul 04 3:43:41 PM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:144 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19104 The two you started with are great books, Charles. The Hive and the Honey Bee, although a very extensive book on the subject of honey bees, and beekeeping, is found to be "too in-depth" for many bee-ginners. A much more simple book, or should I say, more comprehensible for those just starting out, is preferred by many. When I first started, it was with a fellow beekeeper's books he lent me... "First Lessons", along with A.I. Root's "Starting Right with Bees" and "The Hive and the Honey Bee". I relished the info in "First Lessons" and "Starting Right", but in all honesty, there was so much in THATHB that went right over my head, I didn't get much out of it until later on. It is now, though, one of my more valuable (and expensive) books on bees in my library. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message: > I started with two books: > > "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A > Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more > experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:47:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7lol04$qh0$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125060 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19105 Jason Wilson wrote in message ... > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Two additional points to those already posted: On the days when you were attacked, were you using after shave or deodorant - or maybe a different one to when you were not attacked. I used to look after some hives for a friend (female) and every time she 'helped' with the hives we were attacked; when she was not there, the bees were very gentle; she wore expensive perfume - always! If this is not the reason, then requeen asap - that hive will be producing drones that will spread the bad temper to surrounding colonies. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:31:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125056 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19106 Did you really mean pollen? In a super? And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for spreading disease to me. But I will agree to the drawn comb! Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with >a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:39:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125058 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19107 >wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the >HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > What kills HIV virus is irrelevant. AFB is a spore forming bacterium - are the spores are incredibly resilient. As far as I know, only gamma radiation or ethylene oxide fumigation will give 100% kill; however, other treatments may well reduce the level sufficiently to prevent the disease recurring (see my recent posting - 29/06/99). I have to say, though, that not many people recommend trying bleach! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:21:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:25:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19108 In article <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World > Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. > What are the upsides and downsides of the various races? What of introducing a queen of one sort within a hive of another. While I've read about these matters, I'd just be curious what folks in the real world have to say... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:16:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:20:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19109 In article <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > clorox will not work > ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but > not bleach. > FWIW, a venerable beekeeper here in COSprings, while visiting my hive as a courtesy to me, mentioned that he boils any used euqipment he purchases in lye. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:18:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:22:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19110 In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite > aggressive. We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:17:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:21:31 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19111 In article <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is > plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind Is this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare away (other) animal intruders? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:29:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931130985 24.6.224.103 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19112 Peter: Thanks for all your info. Today I looked inside the hive containing that captured swarm. I noticed the following: 1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) 2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just starting to lay? 3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. Any ideas, suggestions, anyone? Thanks again, George Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > When queens emerge from their cells they cut around the tip of the cell > until they can push it open - leaving it hanging by a 'hinge'. The workers > often push this closed and re-seal it, often with a worker inside (they seem > to go in to clean out the cell - and then die inside). > > The 'give-away' is that the tip of the cell has no wax - just the end of the > cocoon and the hinged cap will open when the tip of the hive tool is run > across it. > > When the virgin flies to mate, she sometimes takes a swarm with her - a > mating swarm. These sometimes return to the hive and sometimes simply fly > off and find a new home - I believe that queen producers expect to lose up > to 10% of their queens in this way [can anyone confirm this?]. > > From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:19:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <377FFA07.8483E2A2@kingston.net> References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:17:14 GMT X-Trace: 931133834.761.36 QANSHOMNI342CCDD2C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19113 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison Tom Hi Tom, It doesn't appear that CT has been approved yet. You should call the numbers I sent to see if or when you will be on the list. Kent From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 02:50:59 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704225059.20611.00004588@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19114 Any race of bees beats a mean hive. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 05:18:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705011815.22995.00009321@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19115 >> put up a scare crow about 6 - >s this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare a exactly Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:24:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lpq2t$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 08:24:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19116 In article , "Hugh Tait" wrote: > There are advantages to both views, and what you should do should be based > on your personal needs and experience. On the plus side to letting them > raise thier own is that you end up with bees climatized for your area over > time. When you make splits , which is artificially dequeening them do it > with you gentlest and best stock over time your stock will improve > dramatically. > I do not think that a beekeeper with little experience of selecting bees should expect to "improve dramatically" his stock in a short time. Raise from your best queens, pray that good drones are around and expect your bees to stay as good as they are would be a more reasonable description. Besides: raising queens from splits only is not reasonable. Have your best hive(s) raise a few queens: they will come handy if (when?) some of the splits fail. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 12:56:09 GMT References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705085609.05877.00003158@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19117 I believe Martha S. is doing a service by her beekeeping show. I haven't seen it. I assume she has the best equipment and makes quite a good presentation. The problem is not with Martha S. but with the serious commercial type beekeeper versus the hobbyist. Hobbyists out number the commercial type beekeeper and anything that encourages the hobbyist into beekeeping is good. DIY is the best. To heck with leaving it to the professionals. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:06:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931179792 70888 209.130.165.48 (5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19118 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Did you really mean pollen? In a super? > >And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for >spreading disease to me. > >But I will agree to the drawn comb! > >Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. > >busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >>Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >>you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them >with >>a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). >> > > Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood super (same hive). Replace those combs taken with foundation (preferably drawn comb) along the sides of the bottom super and the drawn frames going up, place also along the sides. If you have any eggs going to the top super in a hive with a queen excluder--thats ok. --Busybee From sweiland@debitel.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:32:27 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <377AAD27.1F6C@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.dnsg.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19119 Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for years and it is very effective. Formic is completely biodegradable and watersoluble. It will go into the sealed cells to kill the small mites, too. If you evaporate it after the harvest, no residues will go into the honey, and even if so, the acid will evaporate out of the hive within the next three months after the treatment. Please look at http://home.t-online.de/home/weiland.wzb/start.htm for further information (commercial site). all the best- Stefan Weiland From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:44:10 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 46 Message-ID: <377F9D6A.5DC1@juno.com> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 931183298 OCZ7E7JIA48D5D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: tomasmozer@juno.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19120 honeybs wrote: > JGinNY wrote: > >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. > >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled > >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. > >a few questions: > >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? > Yes. > >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? > No. > >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? > Amitraz. > >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? > Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by > the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up > cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying > cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars > as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the > mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and > they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. > This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to > treat for varroa. another complication may have been that according to reports from california amitraz was not effective in field conditions against tracheal mites, for which it had been originally labeled... > >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip > >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in > >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure > >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." > >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the > >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... > This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer > Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in > Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works > against the hive beetle as well. the same caveats as above may apply to checkmite+: mite resistance may develop rapidly with the use of unlabeled products, the beetles may not be effectively controlled under varied field conditions, and the jury is still out on possible synergistic effects of all chemicals in use and accumulating in beehives over time... From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 14:07:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19121 In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard ball hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. Al From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: we've been adopted Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:43:23 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166494 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19122 > They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and > as long as they can keep the mites off them. > And If they die from mites or pesticides you will have a real mess- rotting brood, mice, and possibly honey dripping and soaking the plaster. Get these bees moved into a proper hive by an experienced beekeeper, and fill the space they were in with insulation. If you want to learn beekeeping, this is a great way to start! The beekeeper who removes the swarm may be able to help you get started. Good Luck! Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Bob was Rong Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:31:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166492 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19123 (Much Snippage)....so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then > I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will > then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey > super back on top of the top bar hive. > I wonder how the bees will like them apples? Ought to work- this is similar to how I started my TBH. I took a nuc and hung the frames in my TBH with TB's placed between a couple of the frames. Slowly I added more TB's and moved the frames towards the back of the TBH. Once I had a honey barrier between the brood nest and the frames, the bees filled the frames with honey, and I removed and extracted them. Now I have only TB's. Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:38:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166493 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19124 Daniel Restle wrote in message news:945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net... > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed > Yes but a Julia Child who does more than cook- She wants to telly ou how to entertain, decorate, garden and anything else vaguely "Domestic" She is the only person I have heard of who makes her own christmas tree shaped marshmallows from scratch. (Probably actually done by one of her many "assistants". Ellen From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bibliographic reference for moving eggs? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:57:50 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lqgso$h0m@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh14-port182.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19125 I occasionally teach classes on bees to non-beekeepers, and would like to include information on workers moving eggs to queen cells (I mean other than employees of Adee farms :-) ) in my presentation. To do this, I need a bibliographic reference suitable for publication. In other words, for a magazine it needs article name, magazine name, volume and issue number, author, page, and publisher. For a book, it needs author, title, page, publisher, and publication date. The referenced article should describe a scientific observation of the behaviour occuring, and the conditions and limitations if possible. An author remarking that bees sometimes move eggs isn't sufficient unless the author has phenominal credentials. This is not a "rush request" - my material is already more than enough to fill the time I'm usually given and I'm not due to make any presentations in July - so please don't bother with "it's somewhere in 'The Hive and the Honeybee'" and don't spend hours searching. I just figured that since this has become a hot topic on the news group somebody might have recently read about it. Thanks In Advance Robert From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:30:53 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: aAJR4SZBdqQtmol9/I3Qk9Q8j2A4s5v7r3nGPhekCdc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:30:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19126 JMitc1014 wrote: > How did you get rid of your skunks? A number of beekeepers around here (eastern MA) recommend rolling up a piece of chicken wire and putting the roll against the front of the hive. The skunks don't like to walk on the wire. Or, if you just get them up a foot or more, it's said that the skunks will have to get up on their hind feet to get to the hive entrance, making their undersides vulnerable to stings, and it's said that the skunks won't tolerate the stings in the underside the way they do in the feet or mouth. My hives are on cinderblocks, which sit on a base of crushed stone. All together the opening is about a foot off the ground. No skunks (yet...). -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:35:16 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fIXgXrdcpp2u5Mo7+xzRGTrpbN28UiE4oCkicjdq904= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:35:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19127 I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still blocked. After the first super is full of honey, the queen won't go across it anyway. -Steve timjk@my-deja.com wrote: > > It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder > but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting > excited about this or just give them some more time? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From ad387@hwcn.org Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing And Insemination Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:49:24 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lpv4t$5b4$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19128 Hi, Sue Cobey at Ohio State has an excellent video and courses on AI. Try http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/honeybee/breeding/class.html . Also James Tew also has a video available from AI Root "AI of Honey Bees" Try www.airoot.com From glen@obp.agric.za Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Glen van Niekerk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African hive beetle - On home soil Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:29:49 -0700 Organization: An Internet Solution Customer Lines: 30 Message-ID: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.nda.agric.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19129 The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It is about 7 mm long and dark brown to black in colour. The adults can often be seen moving from one cell to the safety of another. They live off the products of the hive but adults do not damage the combs. The bees try to remove them or sting them but without success. Aethina breeds in the combs. The eggs are banana shaped but smaller than bee eggs. The larvae, however, are easily removed by the bees and it is only in weak colonies where there are too many combs for the bees to patrol effectively that the Aethina larvae can make any headway. They live on honey and pollen in the comb and initiate the fermentation of honey, which runs out of the comb in a frothy mass. Prevention is better than cure. Strong colonies can patrol all frames and throw out any Aethina larvae. Combs that are stored before extraction of the honey may become infested with Aethina to such an extent that the honey crop is ruined by fermentation, not to mention the possibility of getting bits and pieces of the larvae in the honey! Fumigation of combs at this stage cannot be recommended. Heat treatment of supers in a hot room would seem to be the answer. As a general guide it might be mentioned that temperatures of 39 - 430C (102 - 1090F) for two to four days are lethal to most insects. The melding point of beeswax is about 630C (145'DF) but the wax softens at 490C (1200F). If possible, however, supers to be extracted should not be stored at all. Glen van Niekerk South Africa From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 17:14:20 GMT References: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19130 >In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard >ball >hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. > >Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. > >I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it >should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. If the nest is made of mud, they are mud dauber wasps, which are solitary and no threat at all. If they are made of paper, they are a semisocial paper wasp, and are of little threat, unless you are knocking apart their nest or providing a lot of motion right near their nest. In other words these are defensive, but nowhere near as defensive as hornets or the larger communal yellow jackets. They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are in my direct traffic pattern. Soapy water in a 409 spray bottle is adequate to kill them (the chemical companies don't want you to know that), but think first, if you can live with them. They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start brand new nests in new places. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-182.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:39:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.b6 X-Server-Date: 5 Jul 1999 16:43:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19131 In article <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com>, Steve Huston wrote: > I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder > 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around > the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still > blocked. I just put on a honey super... Can anyone confirm the effectiveness of the above method? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:11:09 GMT References: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705141109.05314.00004089@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19132 Dave Green writes: >They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and >garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are >in >my direct traffic pattern. > > They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last >generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start >brand new nests in new places. > > The nests are made of paper. Thank you for giving me a better understanding of this situation. I will try not to harm them unless they are a threat. I think you should think of bees as colonies or collectives. They are a life form as a colony. The prime directive should be followed. If you harm or destroy a colony for no good reason you are really doing a bad thing in a big way. Al Al From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 19:04:28 GMT References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19133 In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" writes: > I could also tell in her article by >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) >could have got past. > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. Al From fordcar@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:22:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lr0ld$q7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.40 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 19:22:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19134 I have Five deep frames of honey that I would like to extract..Can anyone advise a reasonable way to do this without an extractor. I would like to save the comb if at all possible. When I received this hive it had two brood chambers full of brood and honey. and a third deep super with 5 frames of mostly capped honey..I removed the deep super and replaced it with shallow one. Now I Have these deep frames to extract.. Thank you Carol Martin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:31:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3781082E.3431@midwest.net> References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:47:16 GMT X-Trace: 931204036.499.14 JF3D7GB4M1C1AD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19135 Jajwuth wrote: > > In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" > writes: > > > I could also tell in her article by > >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and > >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was > >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" > >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > > > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It > >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees > >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) > >could have got past. > > > > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. > Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very > sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. > > Al No - please... AL From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr2gb$3636$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931204427 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19136 >Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two >established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of >swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no >queen. > +++++++++++ i got my first hive in may, although folks advised to do so, i am glad i didnt start with two, one is more than enough to get used to. i admire your willingness to start with two. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees go buckwild! Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931207101 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19137 one day last week, on a cloudy day at 5:30pm. hundreds, maybe thousands of bees from my hive started flying in chaotic circles up to six feet over the hive, that was the only time i saw that, what on earth was that about? it looked like tiny tornado. one robin took advantage of the situation by swooping thru the could to catch one on the wing. if possible cc email me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com thanks From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr3lp$6lgm$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931205625 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19138 yeah, i remember having the same feeling when i first opened the brood chamber, thank goodness fellow beekeeper Ellen Anglin came down to my hive and helped me with looking in my hive. picking up each frame and looking at what they are doing was important to me if i ever was going to get used to keeping bees. you should ask the guy that sold you the hives to come over one day and help you look in your hives. at least one day should make a difference. by the way, get a frame lifter or frame gripper, i just ordered one, i spent a lot of time trying to pick up those frames with my gloved hands and most of my time was wasted that way. i thinks its as important as a hive tool or a smoker. some day i will try bare handed, but aint ready for that right now. At this point I'm staring down into a bottom box overflowing with bees, >and feeling totally out of my league. I couldn't see the Apistan strip >anywhere. Nor was I willing to start pulling frames to look - I had >already crushed several bees when prying the boxes apart, plus whatever >damage I had done when the bottom frame(s) were sliding up and down. And >the bees were agitated, which means I was agitated... Figuring that I had >already done enough damage for the day (and after staring into the box for >a while out of fascination), I put it all together again and left them >alone to settle down. > So here are my questions: > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:44:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207588 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19139 >hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >> clorox will not work >> ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but >> not bleach. Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, strength etc. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:20:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207584 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19140 busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood >super (same hive). Ah! with you now. Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before you reach for your keyboards). I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and there is no need to try to encourage them. > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm problem Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:39:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207587 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19141 George C wrote in message ... > >1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the >signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) > >2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay >in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just >starting to lay? > >3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they >be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait >and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhEn8yggbxo3FTc+DeIAIhAZyjkECFCbP/wZB6CDFnw/o3ClhmrCcJvq0 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19142 Hi All, I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. What is the best way to thaw the comb (keeping moisture on the comb to a minimum? Also, what is the best way to cut and package the comb? I've seen pictures of it being cut on the screen with tray underneath or just on foil. It seems they screened tray would be the best for gathering the spills. Are the square cutters worth the money? I suspect the small plastic square boxes are the best way to store cut combs. Thanks for any advice. From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931214571 24.6.224.103 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19143 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying > workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if > there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill > the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is > no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) > immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. > > Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. > > Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a > problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not > long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. > They were cells. They were built up more and had royal jelly in them, too. Could not see larvae, but then this queen just started laying. Did not know new queen might lay multiple eggs in one cell. Thanks for your continuing replies and information. George From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:55:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19144 Hi Stretch and Steve H: One other development where I'm at in Eastern MA. We are in the middle of one heck of a drought/heat wave/nectar shortage. Is this a precipitating factor to the aggressiveness of my hive? Since this is my first year, I don't know on the basis of personal experience if there is a relationship between the drought and the nectar shortage -- but it sounds like a good theory to me. I read a Kim Flottum (editor, Bee Culture) column written a few years ago during an El Nino summer that described nectar shortages during a drought, and the need to feed in order for your bees to make it through. I'm now feeding my 3 smallest hives (2 afterswarms and a late-season nuc that will be combined with a failing package hive that swarmed) to ensure they will be ready for the winter when, or if, it comes. John From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:57:32 GMT References: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195732.12518.00005609@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19145 Hi Steve, I, too, am in eastern MA. We're in the middle of a nectar shortage in my area right now. My question to you is -- Is this normal or is this being caused by the heat wave and the drought? What's your experience with the flows this time of year? Thanks in advance John From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:37:33 GMT References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705203733.22995.00009647@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19146 >I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in >a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. > > nope 72 hours at least, or 24 at -0 most freezers will work at the 72 hr period very well just let em thaw out on ya counter, inside a sharp paring knife works well to cut, but nothing will if still frozen !!! tryung to cut frozen comb is disaster Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:41:58 GMT References: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705204158.22995.00009648@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19147 >Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, >strength etc. > hehe once more unto the breech my friends 55 gal drum set up on bricks fill with aprox 40 gal of water add 5 - 6 boxes of red devil lye to the cold water NEVER ADD LYE TO HOT WATER IT WILL BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE !!!!!! stir heat water to boiling, submerse frames, boxes etc for aprox 3 minutes a pitch fork works well for this rinse well Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:54:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.94 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931223170 6453 12.72.50.94 (6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19148 Ideally, the novices started with a marked queen. If not, you really don't know if you have had a supercedure. Temperment can be a problem in some of the hybrids if they have raised a daughter queen. If you start with a hybrid, you are pretty much committed to requeening with purchased queens. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0407991218550001@pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net... > In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, > jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > > > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has > become quite > > aggressive. > > We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to > tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jul 7 06:33:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:10:35 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 931223478 15880 203.63.79.234 (6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19149 Hank Mishima wrote: > I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first > time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in > a plastic bag to kill any moth larva Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. I think you have not understood the problem. Bees will control the wax moths on frame in the hive. As you remove the combs from the hive, they have no any wax moth lava on them. If you store old frames some where else (not on the hive) the wax moth can build up. As long as you exract your honey as soon as it comes off the hive you won't have a problem with wax moth in your honey. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:10:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-42.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931224806 47454 209.130.165.42 (6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19150 This is another way to help bring the bees up to the top supers... take drawn comb and "zebra-stipe" it with foundation. If putting on a box of brand new foundation--use 10 frames to a box. If mixing new foundation and drawn in the "zebra-stripe" fashion, put 9 frames in a box. If its all drawn comb - use 8 frames and the bees will draw the comb out deeper. Works for us. I totally agree though that they will come up in their own sweet time. We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in the colony make-up. --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >> >>Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom >brood >>super (same hive). > >Ah! with you now. > >Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not >usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most >of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before >you reach for your keyboards). > >I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and >there is no need to try to encourage them. >> >> >> > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:40:20 GMT References: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705214020.08946.00002516@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19151 >that these should be frozen overnight in >> a plastic bag to kill any moth larva > >Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. > he's talkin cut comb chris . no extracting cut comb. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:56:30 GMT References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19152 >Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little fingers Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African hive beetle - On home soil Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:52:09 GMT References: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215209.08946.00002524@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19153 >The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It > > >Glen van Niekerk > >South Africa > > Thanks for the info Glen !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jjkquin@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Jared Quintana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive problem Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:39:24 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.2.18 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 931226940 8062 12.74.2.18 (6 Jul 1999 02:09:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 02:09:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19154 Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? Thank you to any and all who reply. i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net --jesse From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 02:43:34 GMT References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705224334.04332.00004403@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19155 "Jared Quintana" writes: >They build it in- it's hard to >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. sounds like a crying shame and a spoof maybe you should tend to your LH Al From jason71@usit.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Thanks for everything! Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 02:56:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.148.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 931229772 216.80.148.120 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:56:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:56:12 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19156 Thank you all for your input and advice. I may catch on to all this eventually! Jason Wilson East TN. From jhunter19@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhunter19@aol.com (JHunter19) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering Question Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 03:08:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19157 I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate anyone's insight. From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:51:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <37817D26.5687@midwest.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990705224334.04332.00004403@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:06:20 GMT X-Trace: 931233980.451.30 JF3D7GB4M1C1AD0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19158 Jajwuth wrote: > > "Jared Quintana" writes: > > >They build it in- it's hard to > >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. > > sounds like a crying shame and a spoof > maybe you should tend to your LH > Al Please expand on your thoughts Jajwuth, and enlighten us. Describe how you detected this "spoofer"... I thought there was a legitimate concern. How have you, the most vocal of advocate of the TBH, avoided the problem being described??? AL From essms@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: essms@aol.com (Essms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive scale Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 04:30:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19159 I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct me to a few sources. I have searched everywhere. Thanks. Arlene From essms@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: essms@aol.com (Essms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: recipe for beeswax furniture polish Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 04:32:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706003247.27865.00007972@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19160 if anyobe has a recipe for making beeswax furnitire polish I would appreciate it. Thank you. Arlene. Please e mail me at essms@aol.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees go buckwild! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:00:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:05:05 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19161 In article <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > one day last week, on a cloudy day at 5:30pm. hundreds, maybe thousands > of bees from my hive started flying in chaotic circles up to six feet > over the hive, > that was the only time i saw that, what on earth was that about? it > looked like tiny tornado. one robin took advantage of the situation by > swooping thru the could to catch one on the wing. > if possible cc email me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com thanks My guess, as a newbie... "orientation flights" for newly hatched, newly flying bees. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Message-ID: References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.47 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 931237718 216.100.28.47 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:08:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:08:38 EDT Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:13:26 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19162 Don't give up, dude! It's good just having your own bees on your own property isn't it? If you want bigger production, get a langstroth honey super going next year at the same time. Lots of commercial beekeepers keep a top bar hive or two just for fun and fine comb. I find that in the top bar hive the beekeeper has to run the hive tool all around the plate of comb before trying to extract the comb from the top bar hive. If the comb is plastered to the hive then of course it will split loose from the top bar if you try to pull it out while it is still attached down below. When it attaches to an adjoining comb, you have to separate that connection also or you won't be able to move the comb out. Keep in mind that moveable combs are a relatively recent invention and that it is really quite something to be able to go inside a beehive and move combs around at all. Have you seen a bear harvest honey? They reach in and dig out a pawfull of honey, bees, brood and wax and they sit there with the bees all around and lick it all up and get another scoop. Occasionally even if you have detached the comb all the way around it can still get so heavy that it might plop to the bottom . Just reach down in there and grab it out, bees and all. Brush off the bees with your bee brush. That one is yours. Cut out any areas of ripe capped comb and areas of comb with pollen stores. If there are brood sections in the comb that broke off you can break off or cut out the sections containing brood and stick them back in the hive. One time I wrapped an especially big piece of brood comb with twine to a top bar and stuck it back in the hive. You're doing fine, dood; harvest those combs the next time. You can put hinges and gate clamps on your bottom board like I did so that when the juicy comb plops down you can open the bottom and get it out with more finess. In article <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, jjkquin@worldnet.att.net says... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly > because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months > old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I > lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to > coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to > describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar > and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in > others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one > bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of > brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? Thank > you to any and all who reply. > i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net > > --jesse > > > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:04:19 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:09:00 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19163 Well, this thread hits the nail on the head for me... This is my first summer as a beekeeper, and I have two deep supers filled with pollen, brood, and bees. I just put on a medium super for honey, with a queen excluder between it and the uppermost deep super. The girls don't seem to be moving up there very quickly... I was thinking of taking the excluder off for a day or so, then putting it back after some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. Any comments from the cognoscenti? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:06:31 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:11:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19164 In article <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > Ideally, the novices started with a marked queen. If not, you really don't > know if you have had a supercedure. In Nawth Carolina we used to talk about inbreeding. Same thing? > Temperment can be a problem in some of > the hybrids if they have raised a daughter queen. If you start with a > hybrid, you are pretty much committed to requeening with purchased queens. > -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sweiland@debitel.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!193.168.128.30!newsfeed.dnsg.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:53:08 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lsceg$dkn$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.dnsg.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19165 > Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > fingers > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I know about the problem, nevertheless there are devices for the evaporation of formic acid on the American market. The use of diluted acid (60%) is only little dangerous but also very effective. If you get a splash, simply wash away- you will not even see a red spot after. (But you should use saftey gloves and safety glasses anyway...) The approvement of the acid in Germany is in progress (we are awaiting it at the end of the year), in Austria it has been finished last year. The other thing is: Fluvalinates causes resistences, as we already have them in Southern Europe (Italy, France, Southern Germany...) Stefan Weiland, Joachim Weiland Werkzeugbau, Germany From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:05:27 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7lsnoj$20fe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-99.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931258963 66030 209.130.165.99 (6 Jul 1999 11:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 11:02:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19166 Jared Quintana wrote in message <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly >because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I >lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to >coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar >and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in (snipped) > i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net > > --jesse > Hi Jesse- I'm not too familiar with using the top bar method, sounds like extra work (just my opinion)...but I would suggest, since you said that you open the hive several times a week this alone adds to your problem. I know being a new beekeep that you are curious but you have to resist the temptation to open the hive so often. Every time you open the hive, as you said, the comb is distorted and the bees build from that as their foundation. I've noticed in our hives if the spacing of the frames are gapped, the bees will build all sorts of funky burr comb, then try running that through the uncapper. Once the honey super(s) is put on the hive, I would say you shouldn't look in the hive until it is time to pull it...although we do spot checks in our yards for progress...then its just popping the top cover. A few popped covers can give you a fairly good idea as to wether or not you need to do any further inspection. There is also a greater chance of rolling the queen upon each inspection of the hive. So, my advice, "Resist the temptation!" ;-) Good Luck - --Busybee From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:27:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19167 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little >fingers >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC >From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half dead. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:24:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lsavl$819$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:24:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19168 In article <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Jared Quintana" wrote: > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly > because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months > old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I > lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to > coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to > describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar > and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in > others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one > bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of > brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? I'd be tempted to say that what you are doing wrong is saving pennys on the amount of wood needed to put real frames instead of the top bars, but if you insist on using that type of hive, try to hang more fundation on the top bars. There is also a tiny chance that the bees you have just do not like building straight comb. This happens sometimes. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:56:31 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37820B0F.B29EC1D9@riverace.com> References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wJXNpeTkoJLwjv7i//O3JLYgo0YSS4vNzfe8fsfl7ik= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 13:56:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19169 This is my first year, so I'm sure there are other answers. The instructions I got with a purchased nuc say to add the second super on top of the first when the bees have drawn comb and started storing honey in it. When the first super is half full of honey, reverse the supers. It appears to be working well here (eastern MA). -Steve JHunter19 wrote: > > I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen > excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top > of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional > entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate > anyone's insight. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:30:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:30:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19170 In article <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: > Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two > established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of > swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no > queen. > > All the bees I have look to be Italians. I would like to see what > Carniolans are capable of here in the North end of the Willamette Valley > of Oregon so I am thinking of buying a Carniolan queen to make my last > swarm queenright. > > Does anyone know of any potential problems of having different races of > bees in the same yard. One of the problem is that it can be very difficult to convince a hive to accept a queen from a very different origin. So your newly bought queen may not make it... BTW: you have a swarm that may be queenless. The easiest procedure is to give them a frame with eggs from another hive (your best...). If they raise a queen, you're sure they are queenless and your problem is solved at the same time. If they do not raise a queen, they are not queenless. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Wed Jul 7 06:34:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Subject: Re: hive scale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:48:57 -0400 Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.4 Message-ID: <37820a7f.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 6 Jul 1999 08:54:07 -0600, 209.192.109.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!rpi!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19171 Check at your local police department or city for auctions that they have. I picked one up that could weigh up to several thousand pounds, it came with all the weights and cost me a $1.00 bill. I sat one of my hives on it for years and it was fun to watch it start climbing up in weight when the flow was on. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Wed Jul 7 06:34:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:14:52 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7lt6il$ner$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 931274133 24027 129.173.88.206 (6 Jul 1999 15:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 15:15:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19172 I used formic acid since 1991 and had never problems with killing big numbers of bees or even queens. I used during the last 4 years evaporators (applicators) like the one shown in the www-page mentioned earlier in this discussion. My hives are located with no other beekeepers nearby, therefore a single application in September was sufficient in the past. To be honest, one year I lost 3 of my 5 hives to the mites because the treatment in fall was not successfull (weather was to cold), but since I use the evaporators close to the brood nest that was never a issue again. All application techniques I used in the past worked with application times over 2 weeks, with a steady fromic acid concentration in the hive air during that time. The working concentration is reached over several hours, there is no acid flash like in techniques were the formic acid is given into the hive on sponges or cardboard pieces and evaporates within a couple of hours. For the last 3 years I combined the formic acid treatment and the winter feeding of sugar sirup without any problems. The bees took and stored the sirup in their combs, even built fresh comb in the frame with the applicator (formic acid evaporator) and stored food next to the acid fume source. I did this because I was in that years short of time in fall. BTW.: I kept my bees in Germany, nearby Frankfurt. The temperatures in this area are relativly moderate, i.e. warm. No freezing before end of November, and spring starts mid March. Cheers Ulli honeybs wrote: > > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queens? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:35:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7lsbke$88i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:35:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19173 In article <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net>, "j.b.ford" wrote: > i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with > one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? > There are some hives designed to be run with two queens (e.g. for acacia honey). The ladies are usually separated by two excluders and a super. You need two fly holes, or the drones can't get out. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-103.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:07:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.67 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 16:11:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19174 > >some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. > > > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > > > >- In article <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > paint the foundation ( center 2 frames ) > with honey from a frame below, there they'll be like a bullet ! > > GREAT idea! You're a credit to the fine people of Nawth Carolina! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:46:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7lsc8c$8dj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net> <7lc3a2$13na$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:46:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19175 In article <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Mary Fisher" wrote: > I've been away - who IS Martha Stewart? Since I am not American, I wondered as well and found: http://www.marthastewart.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:10:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931282396 209.69.69.105 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:16 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:16 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19176 .... Are the square cutters worth the money? ... I've got one, and you can have it if you want to pay the postage- even if heated in boiling water it doesn't cut thru cleanly- use a sharp kitchen knife, heated in water if you like. Ellen> From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:28:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931282397 209.69.69.105 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:17 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19177 First, make sure your bars are exactly the right width- if they are too narrow or too wide, the comb spacing will be ruined. Second, make sure that the bees have a good straight header to start out with- I have a 1/4 inch strip of masonite set into the center of each if my top bars. I brushed each strip with beeswax, and my hive always builds off the bottom of these headers. It is true that some bees just won't build straight combs. I also understand that high power lines can mess up comb orientation- are there strong electric fields around your hive? When I examine my hive, I start at the back where there are no combs. I lift out 4-5 empty bars, to give myself room to look in. I then slide the empty bars back till I come to my first comb. If it is attached to the walls or floor, I use my hive tool to trim it away before I try to free the bar. Once it is free, I can lift and examine it carefully, and replace it towards the back of my space. I free the next comb, and work forward thus. One comb at a time, and I free all the edges before I lift the bar. On teardrops- The bees will join these separate drop shaped combs together when the edges begin to touch. Often they do it so well that you can scarcely see the join once they are finished. If the combs are not quite straight, I have found that I can gently straighten them somewhat, if they are still new and flexible. Once straightened, the bees usually keep going straight. I like to look in often too- My TBH is my "Poking about" hive- I will look in on them while I let my langstroths make honey. Still, I don't look in more than once a week- It spooks them too much. Good Luck! Ellen, in Michigan From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:10:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706121051.22990.00009966@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19178 >n Nawth Carolina we used to talk about inbreeding. Same thing? > >> Temperment can be a problem in s Naw thats when you an ya 1st cousin play doctor without a net !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:07:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19179 >some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > >- paint the foundation ( center 2 frames ) with honey from a frame below, there they'll be like a bullet ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ernie@whro.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "E.L.Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:01:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 931255307 198.76.162.53 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:01:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:01:47 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19180 I usually put the super on without any excluder for a week or so, then check carefully for queen and put the excluder on. Ernie Virginia Beach USA > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:43:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 41 Message-ID: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.175 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:13:43 GMT X-Trace: 931288423.354.14 JF3D7GB4M04AFD1F8C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19181 With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. AL Ellen Anglin wrote: > > First, make sure your bars are exactly the right width- if they are too > narrow or too wide, the comb spacing will be ruined. > Second, make sure that the bees have a good straight header to start out > with- I have a 1/4 inch strip of masonite set into the center of each if my > top bars. I brushed each strip with beeswax, and my hive always builds off > the bottom of these headers. > It is true that some bees just won't build straight combs. I also > understand that high power lines can mess up comb orientation- are there > strong electric fields around your hive? > When I examine my hive, I start at the back where there are no combs. I > lift out 4-5 empty bars, to give myself room to look in. > I then slide the empty bars back till I come to my first comb. If it is > attached to the walls or floor, I use my hive tool to trim it away before I > try to free the bar. Once it is free, I can lift and examine it carefully, > and replace it towards the back of my space. I free the next comb, and work > forward thus. One comb at a time, and I free all the edges before I lift the > bar. > On teardrops- The bees will join these separate drop shaped combs > together when the edges begin to touch. Often they do it so well that you > can scarcely see the join once they are finished. If the combs are not > quite straight, I have found that I can gently straighten them somewhat, if > they are still new and flexible. Once straightened, the bees usually keep > going straight. > I like to look in often too- My TBH is my "Poking about" hive- I will > look in on them while I let my langstroths make honey. Still, I don't look > in more than once a week- It spooks them too much. > > Good Luck! > > Ellen, in Michigan From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRqp7qJ4zof0Pqn//sXpPiNqZuazQIUC0ngKzpowMcoXbSQWSlnmuvHuf8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19182 Thanks for the advice. I did order a new NWC queen from California last Tuesday. I got it here in Portland Thursday morning and I placed the cage in the hive about 2:00 pm . The week before I did add a couple of frames of bees and brood (at various stages) from one of my first established hives and from the strong swarm hive caught about a month ago. The last couple of days before I introduced the new queen, I removed almost a dozen queen cells which were located on the faces of the brood frames. Saturday, the ladies looked to be moving about the cage in a friendly manner so I pulled the screen and let her go. Monday I checked the hive again. The loud buzzing was gone and the marked queen looked to be going about running the place. I had considered letting the hive raise their own queen but until yesterday, our weather has been cool and showery all spring. I don't think we have had over 6-8 days over 80 degrees and most of them have been in the 60s. I understand that that is not good for queen mating flights (although I could be wrong). I also wanted to try the NWC queen and also see if I could get a colony to accept a queen (using the added frames) after being queenless for a couple of weeks. I either got lucky, did the right thing, or a little of both. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:18:35 GMT References: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19183 Al writes: >With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, >Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH >Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. > >AL AL I don't think pictures are needed her writing is quite clear. What I perceive is that you have to have good professional judgement and then apply it. Something that a lot of day jobs don't allow. It is hard to get reference material on top bar hives a lot of it seems to be in the UK . There is probably some reference materials at the University of Guelph. I think I read it was developed there in the 1960's. Someone should make a video on operating a top bar hive. I have a few on LH up on my shelf. In the mean time you and I are going to have to rely on this newsgroup for information on top bar hives. There seems to be quite a following. Al From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <17145-37825B95-6@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQk+FRfVAA2cUxrEDPYbIDP/icwWgIUS0SRhi+ItUjn2wrJ7Cbyg3Qf46s= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19184 Thanks for the advice on the thawing, KJ and thanks for the offer Ellen. I can know what to do now. From ad387@hwcn.org Wed Jul 7 06:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Workers moving eggs-references Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:45:52 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lsqbo$1o2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19185 Hello: The following may be of interest: Crane, E.(1990) Bees and Beekeeping: Science, Practice and World Resources , Cornell University Press; Ithaca NY, USA; p.96 Winston, M.L. (1987) The Biology of the Honey Bee, Harvard University Press; Cambridge, MA, USA p.182 Bee World (1936a) Do bees move eggs? Bee World 17(7):74; also 26(2):12(1945), 30(5):41-43(1949) Butler, C.G. (1957a) The process of queen supersedure in colonies of honeybees(Apis mellifera L.). Insectes Sociaux 4:211-275 Winston, M.L. (1979b) Events following queen removal in colonies of Africanized honeybees in South America. Insectes Sociaux 26:373:381 Punnett, E.N. and M.L. Winston, (1983) Events following queen removal in colonies of European-derived honey bee races. Insectes Sociaux 30: 376-383 From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:13:08 GMT References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706121308.22990.00009969@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19186 > My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I >What am i doing wrong? SEE ABOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leave it alone Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire retardant hessian Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:13:06 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 931299237 nnrp-09:22907 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19187 Could anyone tell me the chemical(s) used as a fire retardant in hessian sacking/carboard etc. and whether it is harmful to the bees when burnt. thanks -- Tom From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:00:52 GMT References: <37817D26.5687@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990706090052.06756.00003551@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19188 AL writes: >Please expand on your thoughts Jajwuth, and enlighten us. Describe how >you detected this "spoofer"... I thought there was a legitimate concern. >How have you, the most vocal of advocate of the TBH, avoided the problem >being described??? > >AL It doesn't take a Sherlock to see through that posting. Choice of words, first person singular not capitalized and style like regular contributor to newsgroup. Also other reasons that I won't go into since it isn't important. It is a concern and a challenge to top bar hive beeman. Maximum loss to him is about $50.00 for the bees. LH hobbyists who pack it in could lose a lot more. The problem has been well answered. I plan on using specially designed hive tools. The shape of the hive will be crescent shaped so that bees apply the laws of physics and hopefully do not apply sidewall attachment. I may experiment with the shape of starter strip to give comb more structural integrity. Also from what I read the opportune shifting of top bars is important. I plan on having fun, enjoying the products from my hives and learning a lot about bees. Al From seasholtzm@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive scale Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:18:53 GMT References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706091853.03509.00007845@ng69.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19189 >I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct >me to a few sources Look around at flea markets and public auctions for old platform scales they are perfect for hive stands and you can use the slide scale weights to track honey flow/use day to day. Good Luck Garry From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:48:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7lu1np$suj$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931301945 29651 62.136.19.233 (6 Jul 1999 22:59:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:59:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19190 Jared Quintana wrote in message <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly >because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. New comb is soft - leave the hive for a while and it will be strengthened by old cocoons from brood. Bees are sensitive to magnetic fields - you may find that they will build straighter combs if you have the bars running north/south. This may also reduce brace comb. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:57:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931301946 29651 62.136.19.233 (6 Jul 1999 22:59:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:59:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19191 >>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. Can taint the honey We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up >when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in >the colony make-up. > >--Busybee > . From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:45:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931311790 47892 209.130.165.33 (7 Jul 1999 01:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 01:43:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19192 Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint the honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >Can taint the honey > > >We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up >>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in >>the colony make-up. >> >>--Busybee >> >. > > From jack_t_chick@the5th.bardo Wed Jul 7 06:34:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.105.25!news.chatlink.com!mail.networld.com!98ad3a87.ipt.aol.com From: "the fifth bardo" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.non.sequitur Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:57:37 -0700 Organization: THE KNIGHTS TEMLPLAR Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37829351@mail.networld.com> References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> <1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: redhat.networld.com X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 931312778 26423 207.247.96.3 (7 Jul 1999 01:59:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 01:59:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 98ad3a87.ipt.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:147 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19193 alt.non.sequitur:59786 Leo Sgouros wrote in message news:mK_d3.1176$W4.20566@newse3.tampabay.rr.com... : : The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message : news:1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net... : > Luther Steel wrote: : > : > > dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: : > > : > > > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be : > > > torn down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. : > > > : > > > I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: : > > > : > > > dcoulte@ibm.net : > > : > > But where is your shed? : > : > i think it's a metaphor : : so thats "when I'm tore down, almost level with the ...FILL IN THE : BLANK??/?//??/// : Here's to you -- MRS. ROBINSON. From mwhite@globalserve.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!newsfeed.iprimus.ca!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:15:58 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin108.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931313840 7601 209.90.138.171 (7 Jul 1999 02:17:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 02:17:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19194 Hi all: Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective and safe method of applying Formic Acid. Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 more days when all the acid is absorbed. Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air space. Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in the fall. For more info look at this web site http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee Good luck Mike honeybs wrote: > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > From cde049@airmail.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:48:41 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7lu999$gpc@library2.airnews.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 6 20:07:53 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^eLa1k-X@K2\.\ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19195 (Probably actually done by one of her > many "assistants". > Yes but she hired the assistant didn't she? Isn't that the sign of a good manager " hiring people with ideas and abilities that surpass there own" and then letting them run with their Ideas. After 5 years of taping her shows and reading her magazine I have never seen her not give someone the credit for their work. I can't say that about my boss who I've only known six months. On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? Cliff From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:34:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:46:29 GMT References: <17145-37825B95-6@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706214629.12837.00007613@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19196 Leave the comb INSIDE the bag to thaw. The condensation will form on the bag instead of the comb. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:16:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 07 08:16:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19197 In article <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > It is hard to get reference material on top bar hives a lot of it seems to be > in the UK . There is probably some reference materials at the University of > Guelph. I think I read it was developed there in the 1960's. > The present design may have been developped there, but the use of "top bars" precludes the invention of the mobile frame last century (by somebody called Von Berlepsch in Munich). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:07:16 GMT References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19198 In article <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gzooflup@my-deja.com writes: >The present design may have been developped there, but the use of "top >bars" precludes the invention of the mobile frame last century (by >somebody called Von Berlepsch in Munich). > > I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. These early top bar hives you talk about did they incorporate the concept of bee space? What did the hive look like and who used them? Thanks Al From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 18 Message-ID: <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR8f/YnB20YV3UdnUf0hyycSaXsPAIUaMrFHdus3Hwha22r4yqD7I2p/Ys= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19199 I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever done. When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites that are in them. This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please point them out to us. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9479-37834EB8-4@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUArpgUOVnBbviHzJ7e+9+yn3N6ZFcCFQCSwVo8CbTiRhU/YiYXce3PT6yCBA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19200 We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super >from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start with. These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. We did some thing different or something that we had never done befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in each split the day after that. This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry and made 80 lbs of honey each. It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I made myself clear. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <13614-37834F28-20@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQM/yLduHJ17akm0VCW4VGQokNYgQIUXI8h/PFFuEUsz5T9xWtavmodGeQ= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19201 We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super >from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start with. These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. We did some thing different or something that we had never done befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in each split the day after that. This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry and made 80 lbs of honey each. It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I made myself clear. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <13615-37837D0D-38@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37837325.F71A99B1@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQNthjC2TcoMi+O9jXUcEZx6v00aQIVAMZ0lkhyDtWkprLyg6YaOPsWj1k7 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19202 We did not look for any queens and placed a cell in a cell protector in each split. BUD From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:25:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7lv2ta$75o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 07 08:25:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19203 In article <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I did order a new NWC queen from California last > Tuesday. I got it here in Portland Thursday morning and I placed the > cage in the hive about 2:00 pm . > > The week before I did add a couple of frames of bees and brood (at > various stages) from one of my first established hives and from the > strong swarm hive caught about a month ago. The last couple of days > before I introduced the new queen, I removed almost a dozen queen cells > which were located on the faces of the brood frames. > > Saturday, the ladies looked to be moving about the cage in a friendly > manner so I pulled the screen and let her go. > > Monday I checked the hive again. The loud buzzing was gone and the > marked queen looked to be going about running the place. > > I had considered letting the hive raise their own queen but until > yesterday, our weather has been cool and showery all spring. I don't > think we have had over 6-8 days over 80 degrees and most of them have > been in the 60s. I understand that that is not good for queen mating > flights (although I could be wrong). I also wanted to try the NWC queen > and also see if I could get a colony to accept a queen (using the added > frames) after being queenless for a couple of weeks. I either got > lucky, did the right thing, or a little of both. > > I would say you got lucky. ;-) Even *very* experienced beekeepers can loose a queen or two, so you *have* to be lucky. A few comments: -rainy weather is indeed detrimental to mating flights. -when you open the cage, you may want to use some candy (the bees eat it to free the queen). -no that the queen is laying, you may want to leave that hive alone untill the brood hatch and the queen is surrounded by her daughters (3 weeks). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Jul 8 06:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SPLITS Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:32:53 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37837325.F71A99B1@lambton.on.ca> References: <13614-37834F28-20@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19204 Can you explain the procedure you used in requeening the new hive? Did you first locate the queen and make sure she remained behind, and then requeen with a purchased queen? Mark Veltman John Partin wrote: > We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in > Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. > The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it > on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super > from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty > super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this > split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start > with. > These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. > We did some thing different or something that we had never done > befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of > open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. > We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed > two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the > pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of > the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we > left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in > each split the day after that. > This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% > take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. > All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here > and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks > apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry > and made 80 lbs of honey each. > It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I > made myself clear. > BUD From kassy68@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kassy68@aol.com (Kassy68) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Mich. wax Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:11:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19205 Hi , I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of semi-refined wax. The wax that is tan colored and smells great..... I have been buying the white pellets and really want to try the good stuff..... So if theres anyone in Michigan that could help me out, please let me know,,,, I am interested in personal use as well as doing a coop on my michigan soapers list..... thank you again. kassy68@aol.com kim dailey Imlay city mi From @tinet.ie Thu Jul 8 06:52:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive scale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:47:38 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m01nl$vjk$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p108.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 931367477 32372 159.134.232.108 (7 Jul 1999 17:11:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 17:11:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19206 You can use an ordinary bathroom scales as a hive scale. The hive needs to be on a stand, and then make a frame to support the scales the frame need to have an opening to the rear so as to allow reading of the scales, which are turned upside down with the reading aperture on the bottom. Place the scales on the support frame and then the hive on top of the scales the floor of the hive might need to be strengthened. reading of the scales is by means of a periscope made by placing 2 mirrors sloped at 45 degrees on a board which is slid into the opening of the scales. If the scales are placed so that the reading aperture is towards the back of the hive and the reading opening of the support is also to the back the periscope gives a right way round image of the scales, and the weight can be read without disturbing the hive at all. Ruary Rudd Essms wrote in message <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com>... >I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct >me to a few sources. I have searched everywhere. Thanks. Arlene From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <_5Mg3.2351$el4.100521@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:22:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931368442 209.69.69.148 (Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:27:22 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:27:22 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19207 Gee Thanks! Ellen AL wrote in message news:37825C4B.64A@midwest.net... > With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, > Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH > Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. > > AL > > > > From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:24:35 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr> References: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-1-21.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front3m.grolier.fr 931325812 20291 195.36.155.21 (7 Jul 1999 05:36:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 05:36:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19208 Bravo, Busybee your answer is perfect !!!! -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ busybee a écrit dans le message : 7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend as many > beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the industry) and > there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in your > area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You can read > all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from hands-on > experience. > > --Busybee > > > Jeff wrote in message ... > >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved > >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > From kassy68@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kassy68@aol.com (Kassy68) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Michigan Wax Wanted Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:17:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707131701.07916.00007992@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19209 Im looking to buy beeswax locally,,,, to cut down on shipping charges,,, also looking for semi refined..... no wings wanted,,,,but i do however what the smell and color of the nice tan wax..... please email if you can help....thanks...kim kassy68@aol.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 8 06:52:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:29:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931383275 15372 62.136.43.138 (7 Jul 1999 21:34:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 21:34:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19210 The faeces from the brood. When the larva is full sized and is ready to spin its cocoon the closed end of its gut opens and it defaecates in the cell; the cells are therefore lined with a mixture of faeces and cocoons. If you extract honey from brood comb you will find that it is darker than honey from super comb (we make the distinction between the two), particularly if you disturb the cell 'lining' e.g. when uncapping. busybee wrote in message <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint the >honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... > >--Busybee > >Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >>Can taint the honey >> >> >>We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going >up >>>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together >in >>>the colony make-up. >>> >>>--Busybee >>> >>. >> >> > > From bee@ns.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!151.142.223.51!WCG!korova.insync.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> From: New Beeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it to late to start Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:38:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.190.140.230 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 931380136 206.190.140.230 (Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:42:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:42:16 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19211 I amthinking of starting an new hive from a 4 frame nuke, in Portland Oregon. The Bee supply place where I am getting the nukes are telling me it is almost to late to start a new hive, i would need to feed plenty & medicate. Ok I can feed plenty but i know nothing about medicating them, for mites? or foulbrood? or both? From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:28:35 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990707182835.04331.00004572@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19212 I've seen top bar hives hanging high (really high) in trees. One in the fairview college website regarding a project in South American . Also It appears as a sort of logo in Beekeeping & Development magazine. I've also read about it in the top bar hive website regarding bears. I assume the reason is to avoid large predators and the hive would be lowered to work on. My question is if the hive is lowered to work on it,. how would that effect the bees? Would they become disorientated and angry? A parallel situation may be moving a LH and then working on it. Thanks Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:41:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7m0ku0$1so6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931387136 62214 209.130.165.15 (7 Jul 1999 22:38:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 22:38:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19213 John Partin wrote in message <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever done. When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites that are in them. This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please point them out to us. BUD This is the same method we follow (although our supers are mainly deeps for brood and mix of deeps and 6 5/8 for honey for reason that our equipment comes from buy-outs of smaller beekeepers that were purchased at a good price--we're not fussy) This method is probably used be most commercial operations. --Busybee From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:45:44 GMT References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19214 > I am getting the nukes are telling me >it is almost to late to start a new hive, i would need to feed plenty & >medicate. Ok I can feed plenty but i know nothing about medicating >them, for mites? or foulbrood? or both? > Find someone local to you to work with for the rest of this year. Learn all you can, take classes , read etc. Then start next spring. Starting a hive almost anywhere in the US at this late a date takes a huge amount of feeding, frame moving( to get them all drawn out ) and a very good understanding of medication uses. You will not get any useable honey this fall unless massive feeding has filled at least 2 hive bodies. Lack of pollen will be a huge problem.( hive populations are generally built up in the spring by everything coming back to life after winter ) I am assuming that in the northern lat. as far up as oregon that you'll almost have to have at least 2 full hive bodies if not that and a super ; to survive the winter. So I'd forget it till next spring, unless you really want to learn the hard way ( Like I did ) and try to work a miracle. No my first attempt did not survive to build up that next year, but I did learn a lot about how " not " to keep bees !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:46:28 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931387412 45800 209.130.165.15 (7 Jul 1999 22:43:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 22:43:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19215 FYI - bees will not store honey in cells vacated by brood without polishing the cell first neither will the queen lay eggs in an un-polished cell. Your statement about brood feces making honey darker is ludicrous. --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >The faeces from the brood. > >When the larva is full sized and is ready to spin its cocoon the closed end >of its gut opens and it defaecates in the cell; the cells are therefore >lined with a mixture of faeces and cocoons. If you extract honey from brood >comb you will find that it is darker than honey from super comb (we make the >distinction between the two), particularly if you disturb the cell 'lining' >e.g. when uncapping. > >busybee wrote in message <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >>Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint >the >>honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... >> >>--Busybee >> >>Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >>>Can taint the honey >>> >>> >>>We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going >>up >>>>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>>>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together >>in >>>>the colony make-up. >>>> >>>>--Busybee >>>> >>>. >>> >>> >> >> > > From redoak67@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redoak67@aol.com (RedOak67) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting in michigan Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 23:22:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707192252.26266.00005064@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19216 Is there someone in the Belleville area that extracts honey. I have a couple of supers to be extracted. I have a four frame extractor that is a bit rusty so i don't want to trust it. Thanks Rick From calin@ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 8 06:52:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:37:36 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990707182835.04331.00004572@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 931394305 8383 203.63.79.234 (8 Jul 1999 00:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:38:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19217 Jajwuth wrote: > I've seen top bar hives hanging high (really high) in trees. I assume the > reason is to avoid large predators and the hive would be lowered to work on. I believe this practice is originated in Africa before the top bar hive was developed. The beekeepers used "log" hives (hollow logs). Hanging them in the trees did protect them from predators such as the honey badger. I heard also that bees in Africa prefer to be up high. Perhaps they are more likely to abscond if the hive is down low. Are there are any Africans on this NG who can confirm this? > My question is if the hive is lowered to work on it,. how would that effect the > bees? Would they become disorientated and angry? A parallel situation may be > moving a LH and then working on it. A recommended technique for dealing with aggressive hives is : Move the hive a few meters from its normal position and wait for 30 minutes or so. The field force flies back to the old location and stay there. You now have fewer bees left in the hive and they are all house bees which tend to be less aggressive. You work the hive in relative peace. When you are finished, return the hive to its original place and the field force resume normal operation. The African bee is famous for its aggression. Lowering a TBH would achieve the same result as one of us moving the an LH. They would have an advantage over of us because as we move a LH (sideways over the ground), we must get amongst the angry bees around the normal site. A hive suspended in the air would be lowered by rope so the beekeeper does not have to get amongst angry bees in the normal location. Sounds like a good idea to me. Fortunately, my bees are very docile and I do not have to got to these lengths. NB I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. Fascinating. I won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get the book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jul 8 06:52:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting in michigan Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:52:32 GMT References: <19990707192252.26266.00005064@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707205232.19043.00002951@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19218 Ya know ya can epoxy the extractor with a product called camkote which is food grade, Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:45:18 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:41:26 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jul 7 17:45:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp038.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19219 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important >developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, >foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs attached to moveable top bars. The important invention in the last century that you may be referring to is the practical moveable frame hive. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From ad387@hwcn.org Thu Jul 8 06:52:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:15:27 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19220 Hello: You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. p.45 Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as it usually is, on hygienic grounds." All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not have all the details. Keith From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-42.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:55:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.2a X-Server-Date: 8 Jul 1999 01:59:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19221 In article <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Starting a hive almost anywhere in the US at this late > a date takes a huge amount of feeding, frame moving( to get them all drawn out > ) > and a very good understanding of medication uses. You will not get any useable > honey this fall unless massive feeding has filled at least 2 hive bodies. FWIW, aside from the sheer trouble of trying to start at this time of year, I would think about the expense of buying all the sugar you'll need for these feedings. I was surprised how much I spent just to get my new colony jump started this Spring. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-42.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:57:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.2a X-Server-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:01:44 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19222 > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >The faeces from the brood. > > In article <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > FYI - bees will not store honey in cells vacated by brood without polishing > the cell first neither will the queen lay eggs in an un-polished cell. Your > statement about brood feces making honey darker is ludicrous. > > --Busybee Rutrow... I see trouble a-brewin'... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 01:46:22 GMT References: <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707214622.23757.00007848@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19223 Keith, The dispute is not over whether the honey is darkened but if it is darkened by feces from the larvae. Go back and re-read the posts. You will see Laura From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:26:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931400639 12054 209.130.165.75 (8 Jul 1999 02:23:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:23:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19224 Speaking from 90 years of beekeeping experience in the family: 80% of our combs used for honey frames have dark comb as a result of years of use for brood rearing and honey . Our honey grades out as premium (color and flavor) and goes for water-white to light amber. Grading from .00 to 2.0 on a color scale from .00 (lightest) to 6.0 (dark). Our buckwheat grades out at 4.0 because it is a dark honey to begin with. Darker (not black) combs are preferred around here as they hold up through rigorous extracting where as light combs easily "blow-out" in our extractors. --Busybee Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >Hello: >You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: >Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann >Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 >Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. >p.45 >Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. >Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 >Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as >it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not >have all the details. >Keith > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:31:57 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931400940 29650 209.130.165.75 (8 Jul 1999 02:29:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:29:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19225 In addition--queen excluders around here are referred to as "honey excluders". Think about it...a foraging bee returning to the hive full of nectar then having to squeeze through an excluder? They will - but they don't want to! --Busybee busybee wrote in message <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Speaking from 90 years of beekeeping experience in the family: 80% of our >combs used for honey frames have dark comb as a result of years of use for >brood rearing and honey . Our honey grades out as premium (color and >flavor) and goes for water-white to light amber. Grading from .00 to 2.0 on >a color scale from .00 (lightest) to 6.0 (dark). Our buckwheat grades out >at 4.0 because it is a dark honey to begin with. > >Darker (not black) combs are preferred around here as they hold up through >rigorous extracting where as light combs easily "blow-out" in our >extractors. > >--Busybee > > > >Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >>Hello: >>You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: >>Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann >>Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 >>Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. >>p.45 >>Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. >>Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 >>Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >>Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >>Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >>comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >>All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >>Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >>will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >>Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >>honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by >beekeepers--as >>it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >>All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not >>have all the details. >>Keith >> >> > > From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 03:49:34 GMT References: <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19226 Keith seems to bee refering to "Dark Honey" in general rather than answering to the key element of Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb in honey supers and turning the honey dark. Laura From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 04:06:44 GMT References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19227 >Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb >in honey supers and People people, lets bee civil here i mean what does it really matter if we get a little bee feces along with our bee vomit. Besides when we extract it, everyone knows we sling the sh-- out of it anyway !! Here's grinning at ya Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:19:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 931406964 24.95.169.104 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:09:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:09:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19228 Hi J - Without an excluder, it would be somewhat safer to put the new super at the top. (IMO.) The honey in the #1 honey super will (normally) keep the queen from going up and laying eggs in the new one. Add the fresh super underneath the occupied one, and the queen might go right up and lay lots of eggs where you want the new surplus honey to be. I usu. leave the first (medium) honey super in its original position all summer, right above the 2 deep brood chambers (no excluder). Initially, that first honey super may end up containing some brood, but once there is a good layer of honey across its upper portion the queen does not venture into the supers added above it. By late summer that first super is all honey, the queen having been forced down into the brood chamber proper by the pressure of nectar storage. Then it is taken away for extracting upon the final round of harvesting. Adding additional supers below the ones already filled is a lot of work. Top supering works especially well when running double or triple brood chambers, & all you need is a quick peek under the lid to immediately know whether or not more super space is required. No real need to switch positions of the supers, for that matter. The bees will carry the nectar up as far as they need to for storage. [On the other hand, bottom-supering IS commonly resorted to in comb-honey production, as it minimize travel-stain & discolration on the capppings. The almost-completed supers are raised up and the newer ones added beneath them.] Regarding the upper entrance, you can just slide the first or second honey super back abt. 3/4"; this will leave a gap of about 3/8" across the front of the hive, useful for ventilation and as an upper entrance. If this gap is provided just above the brood chambers (some have claimed), it increases ventilation through the brood nest and aids against swarming, by getting rid of some of the heat & providing a supplemental entrance. Not sure how effective it is as an anti-swarming provision, but I usually arrange the hives this way anyhow, and raise the outer covers up a bit as well, for added ventilation during nectar-ripening. But ask a dozen beekeepers, get a dozen answers! Looking forward to others' thoughts on these points... best wishes, JWG JHunter19 wrote: > I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen > excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top > of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional > entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate > anyone's insight. From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:38:49 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7m07p0$q3s$2@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> <7lbfco$qmb$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373664 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19229 Hi, Sorry I just wanted to cheer about honey edibility. About resistant varroas I am in complete agreement. As you should know In France, Italy and some other European countries they definitely are. Fluvlinate is of no use now here. apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Peter Edwards a écrit dans le message : 7lbfco$qmb$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > Sorry - but this is very bad advice. The low level of fluvalinate in the > strips will help mites become resistant > > > > > About Apistan strips still inside the hive do not worry too much : I > >red a study showing that after two or three month almost all the > >fluvalinate had gone away the strip > > From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:36:26 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7m07p0$q3s$1@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> <3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373664 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19230 Bonjour, Here in south of France we are now facing the problem of varroa resistance to Fluvalinate. Yes, we have it : our mites can survive at more than ten times the regular amount of Fluvlinate. About formic acid, tests made by a French official laboratory show that young bee larvae die during application time. Another important point to consider is the climate impact : formic acid seems to be working well in rather cold area but difficult to use in hot country : evaporation rate is difficult to control. Don't forget also that varroa is mating about 10 times a year in cold country when multiplying 286 times in warm climate. That may explain why varroa became resistant in south Italy first. For the moment we are reusing an old molecule named AMITRAZ which is available in plastic strips (like Apistan) named APIVAR. The new strips seem not to be as efficient as Apistan was but it is the only legal product in France. Obviously several other unlawful cheaper products are used like : Taktic (amitraz evaporation), homemade cardboard strips with 7% Taktic, coumaphos powder poured on frames, oxalic acid, Apilifevar (tymol), Apigard (tymol), Thymovar (tymol swiss product), formic acid.... Good luck for testing all of that staff ;-)) apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ mwhite a écrit dans le message : 3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net... > Hi all: > Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph > and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective > and safe method of applying Formic Acid....... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:48:24 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840368.B573865F@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 931395342 1142 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:55:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:55:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19231 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:50:31 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m07p1$q3s$3@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373665 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19232 Bonjour, You are right ! To have nectar plants need water. If no harvest the old workers are not busy and ready to aggress everybody. ;-)))))) apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ JMitc1014 a écrit dans le message : 19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Hi Stretch and Steve H: > One other development where I'm at in Eastern MA. We are in the middle of one > heck of a drought/heat wave/nectar shortage. Is this a precipitating factor to > the aggressiveness of my hive?...... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:47:00 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840314.F9B74C17@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 931395247 18405 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:54:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:54:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19233 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:49:09 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840395.2484530C@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 931395376 1699 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:56:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:56:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19234 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:53:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 05:53:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.17, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19235 jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > attached to moveable top bars. To expand slightly, I'll refer to Eva Crane's *The Archaeology of Beekeeping* (Cornel UP, 1983): "The use of moveable-comb hives was first described in a book published in London in 1682 by Sir George Wheeler: *A journey into Greece*. The author was very impressed with the hives he had seen at St. Cyriacus's monastery on Mount Hymettus in Attica, and he published a drawing to show their special features." (p.196). She reports that hives (TBH) generally conforming to the type described by Wheeler in 1682 were still in use, though in far smaller numbers than previously, when she visited Greece in 1979. (p.200). The type in question is made of a round wicker basket with sloping sides, plastered with clay or loam within and without (at least in the earlier description), sometimes plastered to a rock base to hold it in place against wind and weather. Sticks were spaced (according to an intuitive sense of bee space) across the top of the basket. Then the assemblage was covered with straw tufts to repel the rain, similar to a thatch roof. This in turn would be weighted with rocks to hold it in place. Naturally, given the round shape of the basket, these combs could not be moved from one position to another within the hive. (Moveable did not mean interchangeable. The machine age had not yet arrived when these hives were developed.) However, they could be lifted out individually for harvest. They were true TBH's, though much different from the TBH's most contemporary American and African (et al.) TBH users make and envisage. And there likely were many variations of materials. Sir George Wheeler's drawing is reproduced on page 196. And on pages 198-9 there are photos of Greek basket TBH's on Crete and in Attica. One photo, taken on Crete in 1939, shows an apiary of 100 wicker-basket TBH's. The hives were moved to that location to take advantage of the thyme flow. Crane continues, "There is no evidence to suggest that such top-bar hives existed in Ancient Egypt. Although it is sometimes assumed that they were used in Ancient Crete and Greece, we have no direct evidence before 1682." (p.200) The surviving ancient texts make no reference to such hives, though there are several surviving texts which make agricultural and animal husbandry, etc., their province. And scientific writing such as Aristotle's showed a particular lack of information about bees which could have been comparatively easily observed if TBH's had been known. How and where the TBH (moveable-comb hive) was discovered is simply not known. And, once it was discovered, why it failed to spread beyond a small Mediterranean region is a mystery. Neither history nor archaeology has yet provided a reliable answer earlier than Wheeler's observation at St. Cyriacus'. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:49:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7m1hmf$33i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 06:49:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19236 In article <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > > The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > > centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > > attached to moveable top bars. > > To expand slightly, I'll refer to Eva Crane's *The Archaeology of > Beekeeping* (Cornel UP, 1983): > [...] Very nice reference. I'll try to find that book. > How and where the TBH (moveable-comb hive) was > discovered is simply not known. And, once it was discovered, why > it failed to spread beyond a small Mediterranean region is a mystery. > Neither history nor archaeology has yet provided a reliable answer > earlier than Wheeler's observation at St. Cyriacus'. It did not fail to spread, it simply took a long time... I would tend to think that the main reason moveable frames were not popular is simply because they were not needed. One tends to forget a simple fact: early beekeepers sure kept the honey, but they were even more interested in wax. One does not need moveable frames if all frames are going to be melted down to harvest the wax anyway. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:27:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 68 Message-ID: <7m1jtb$4ou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 07:27:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19237 In article <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important > developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, > foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "bee space", but indeed foundation and centrifugal extraction were invented last century. > > These early top bar hives you talk about did they incorporate the concept of > bee space? What did the hive look like and who used them? I only write from the top of my head, because we (Munich beekeepers) celebrated Von Berlepsch 120th death anniversary 2 years ago and had discussion about the inventions that happened at that time, but it appears that Von Berlepsch came from Berlin to Munich and met a monk called Dzierzon who used some kind of top bar hive. Together they perfected the design, thereby inventing the mobile frame. You will find some information on the Internet, for example in German at: http://www.uni-weimar.de/bienenmuseum/imker.html You may also find and English translation of Maurice Maeterlinck's "La vie des abeilles" at http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/mm/b.html which I will cite a passage here: Some years of silence followed these revelations; but soon a German clergyman, Dzierzon, discovered parthenogenesis, i. e. the virginal parturition of queens, and contrived the first hive with movable combs, thereby enabling the bee-keeper henceforth to take his share of the harvest of honey, without being forced to destroy the best colonies and in one instant annihilate the work of an entire year. This hive, still very imperfect, received masterly improvement at the hands of Langstroth, who invented the movable frame properly so called, which has been adopted in America with extraordinary success. Root, Quinby, Dadant, Cheshire, De Layens, Cowan, Heddon, Howard, etc., added still further and precious improvement. Then it occurred to Mehring that if bees were supplied with combs that had an artificial waxen foundation, they would be spared the labor of fashioning the wax and constructing the cells, which costs them much honey and the best part of their time; he found that the bees accepted these combs most readily, and adapted them to their requirements. Major de Hruschka invented the Honey-Extractor, which enables the honey to be withdrawn by centrifugal force without breaking the combs, etc. And thus, in a few years, the methods of apiculture underwent a radical change. (Interestingly Berlepsch is not cited, so there is some dispute as to which was the inventor...) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:40:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-86.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931426670 17194 209.130.165.86 (8 Jul 1999 09:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 09:37:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19238 I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. Peace! --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >>Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb >>in honey supers and > >People people, lets bee civil here >i mean what does it really matter if we get a little bee feces along with our >bee vomit. >Besides when we extract it, everyone knows we sling the sh-- out of it anyway >!! > >Here's grinning at ya > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:20:36 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tNnQTI62mftdwkiQflFJ7JcYI4b0cCTnbnO2Bfac1ZY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 12:20:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19239 Do you put medications in the brood nest (e.g. Apistan)? Wouldn't that tend to taint the wax in those frames? Would that make them unsuitable for extracted honey? John Partin wrote: > > I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started > keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers > to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever > done. > When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey > we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second > super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of > the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites > that are in them. > This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix > it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel > that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use > excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great > flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing > it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please > point them out to us. > BUD -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <21711-37848156-5@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRG1OFtlulUIsfH2lgVshdytylJ0AIVAMGGG3/P+XTPpxgITLdYdun65EFS Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19240 Our summer here in the Portland area has been very late to start. Raspberries have just began to ripen in the last 7 days and blackberry blossoms are still just starting to bloom in many parts of Clackamas and Multnomah County. I (as a first year beekeeper) have captured a couple of swarms in the past several weeks and still am getting calls for more. I have spoken with others who will be making splits later this month and they have done so in the past. I plan on splitting later this month. I am told that there is plenty of nectar and pollen for the bees to get through September to store for the winter. My point is that a nuc can be successful if started now. I would put the bees on medicated syrup (fumidil B), terramycin, and either apistan or coumaphos (legal in Oregon). Feed as much 1 to 1 sugar syrup as they will take to help build population and promote comb building. I like to use a division board feeder. I don't consider myself an expert by any measure but I have spent some time trying to figure out what actions may pay off in increasing the amount of strong hives I have in the least expensive way and the shortest time. Some things may work, others may fail, but I get great satisfaction in trying to find what will be successful. Send me an email and I will call and can give you some references to contact if you still want to give it a try. From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <21714-378483AA-3@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRgekmelSUy2YOVJJicw0i+CseSLwIUZrSMvBCbeVfX1tettp4DSqCp7kU= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19241 You can get a ten pound bag of sugar in Portland at Food For Less for $3.00. If you had to buy 50 pounds, that would only be $15.00. Your reward could be a strong hive in the early spring rather than a nuc to collect honey. From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <21712-378480F6-2@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQH3uG4d8R2eLawttWL+F+tBE/eLQIVAMCFXXYV+DrC1B+GQJMNfJjJtrhZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19242 Our summer here in the Portland area has been very late to start. Raspberries have just began to ripen in the last 7 days and blackberry blossoms are still just starting to bloom in many parts of Clackamas and Multnomah County. I (as a first year beekeeper) have captured a couple of swarms in the past several weeks and still am getting calls for more. I have spoken with others who will be making splits later this month and they have done so in the past. I plan on splitting later this month. I am told that there is plenty of nectar and pollen for the bees to get through September to store for the winter. My point is that a nuc can be successful if started now. I would put the bees on medicated syrup (fumidil B), terramycin, and either apistan or coumaphos (legal in Oregon). Feed as much 1 to 1 sugar syrup as they will take to help build population and promote comb building. I like to use a division board feeder. I don't consider myself an expert by any measure but I have spent some time trying to figure out what actions may pay off in increasing the amount of strong hives I have in the least expensive way and the shortest time. Some things may work, others may fail, but I get great satisfaction in trying to find what will be successful. Send me an email and I will call and can give you some references to contact if you still want to give it a try. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:51:28 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708085128.17960.00004907@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19243 Chris Allen writes: >Move the hive a few meters from its normal position and wait for 30 minutes >or so. >The field force flies back to the old location and stay there. You now have >fewer >bees left in the hive and they are all house bees which tend to be less >aggressive. >You work the hive in relative peace. When you are finished, return the hive >to its >original place and the field force resume normal operation. > That is very interesting. I read in Cloudburst a chapter on beehive defense that bears have been known to do the following (paraphrased): Bears are quite destructive to an apiary. They have been known to carry entire hive a considerable distance. They proceed to disassemble it by batting supers in all directions. Then at peace go through each super. LH may be completely destroyed. Seems like a smart bear since it may only have to contend with house bees after it moves the hive. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:38:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7m29g4$1ujm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931440964 64118 209.130.165.16 (8 Jul 1999 13:36:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 13:36:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19244 Check out the thread "fluvalinate" poisoning... My thoughts are: If properly used as directed on the package...pulling the strips a good three weeks (OR BEFORE any honey flow intended for human consumption) leaves virtually no fluvalinate residue. If you use Apistan -- any bee brushing against the medicated strip tracks it about the hive regardless of using an excluder or not. Therefore it is imparitive that all medications and treatments are to be used as directed or you are in violation of the federal law. Our strips are pulled in March/April at nuc-ing time--our major honey flow is now (mid-July). Besides, if these procedures are followed, the fluvalinate residue would be in the wax NOT the honey. Chances are slim to none of anyone dying from fluvalinate poisoning--you have a greater chance of winning the lottery. --Busybee Steve Huston wrote in message <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com>... >Do you put medications in the brood nest (e.g. Apistan)? Wouldn't that >tend to taint the wax in those frames? Would that make them unsuitable >for extracted honey? > >John Partin wrote: >> >> I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started >> keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers >> to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever >> done. >> When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey >> we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second >> super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of >> the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites >> that are in them. >> This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix >> it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel >> that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use >> excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great >> flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing >> it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please >> point them out to us. >> BUD > >-- >Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Guness Uncapper 4-sale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:44:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7m29pn$12ge$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931441271 35342 209.130.165.16 (8 Jul 1999 13:41:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 13:41:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19245 Anyone in need of a Guness Uncapper with a four foot extention? A retiring beekeeper in Western MN has one for sale. E.mail me if you are interested and I will provide you his name and telephone number. TIA- Busybee From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:31:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:43:17 GMT References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708094317.08266.00009364@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19246 See if the bee supply place can sell you enough drawn comb to make 9 or 10 frames with your nuc. Feed and have them draw out the 2nd box. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <11554-3784C1AC-28@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m29g4$1ujm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAk/LvPgrglC16j79xZV8vIJJsMuACFHqzT7rOV7HqMVhela/5bHkbkwCH Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19247 Thanks very much BusyBee I agree with every thing that you said. I would like to add something that some hobby beekeepers might not have thought of. We put a lot of bees on each location and and doing that if a hive becomes weak or dies out these hives are robbed out and the honey that has been in those brood nest are now in the supers of the other hives. Even very good hobby keepers are exposed to this type of thing when their bees rob a hive that is within a vew miles of theirs. Residue in honey is not really that big of a problem or if it was residue would have shown up in a lot of honey for the reasons stated above. BUD From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:31:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 16:43:52 GMT References: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708124352.20611.00006060@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19248 The other advantage to staggering the first super above the brood nest is it gives the bees an entrance above the weeds and it lets the field bees enter without travelling through the brood nest. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From LongTimeLurker@lurk.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: LongTimeLurker@lurk.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:00:15 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:59:48 GMT X-Trace: 931460388.374.50 OIS948GSH00000000 qube-03.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19249 Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. Thanks From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Message-ID: References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.64 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 931461470 216.100.28.64 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:17:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:17:50 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:22:41 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19250 So then everyone agrees that it is ok to extract honey from cells which have been previously used for brood and that if there are any feces in the cell from the brood that was in the cell that the bees will clean it out before using the cell for storage of nectar; and that the filtering process would get rid of any feces; and that in any event bee feces is good feces and bee vomit is good vomit? In article <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, beebiz@frontiernet.net says... > Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders > From: "busybee" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use > feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:14:01 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931464665 23286 209.130.165.98 (8 Jul 1999 20:11:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:11:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19251 Fine! If that's how you want to look at it... I'd hate to know what exactly is in many foods that line our grocery store shelves. Just give me my honey. --Busybee Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >So then everyone agrees that it is ok to extract honey from cells >which have been previously used for brood and that if there are >any feces in the cell from the brood that was in the cell that >the bees will clean it out before using the cell for >storage of nectar; and that the filtering process would get rid >of any feces; and that in any event bee feces is good feces >and bee vomit is good vomit? > >In article <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, >beebiz@frontiernet.net says... >> Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders >> From: "busybee" >> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >> >> I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use >> feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. >> >> From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:19:40 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m30va$1cnc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931465002 45804 209.130.165.98 (8 Jul 1999 20:16:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:16:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19252 Move new honey to the top especially if it is capped over. If there is a heavy flow the queen will not have a chance to lay in it...if the flow is slow the queen may lay in it. Are you looking for your hives to produce the most honey possible? Move the honey up. If you want to keep brood out of your honey super...put the new box on top. JHunter19 wrote in message <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen >excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top >of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional >entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate >anyone's insight. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:35:25 GMT References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19253 With all the talk about contaminants and removal by bees and filtering. Makes me want to buy comb honey. I bought some from the market and it is first rate. Some people see a health aspect to products from the hive so isn't assurance of quality important? Otherwise it's purpose is defeated. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:53:40 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708165340.17958.00004609@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19254 Chris Allen writes: >NB >I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. >Fascinating. I >won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get >the >book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) > > > I found your posting interesting. In regard to the above Attenborough has written quite a few books and there is videos too (49 listings, although some repeated). I f I read them all I wouldn't have time for this newsgroup. Maybe someone else knows the title of the book where there is a write up about the honey badger. I wouldn't mind reading it. I thought I read that the North American badger is quite a scourge to beekeeper. The badger for some reason is oblivious to bee stings. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:54:54 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708165454.27702.00003886@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19255 Chris Allen writes: >NB >I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. >Fascinating. I >won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get >the >book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) > > > I found your posting interesting. In regard to the above Attenborough has written quite a few books and there is videos too (49 listings, although some repeated). I f I read them all I wouldn't have time for this newsgroup. Maybe someone else knows the title of the book where there is a write up about the honey badger. I wouldn't mind reading it. I thought I read that the North American badger is quite a scourge to beekeeper. The badger for some reason is oblivious to bee stings. Al From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <25471-37850BD7-38@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <11554-3784C1AC-28@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArZZIV6sLOIP7amxm3p2MJZ2miDECFBqJNngZsk1T4qrpcVH6b8dFwQMY Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19256 Hello All, A thought came to my mind after reading about possible treament contamination of wax and comb. Would I be correct in assuming that the possiblity of any residue would be small in foundation purchased for cut comb honey either because heating when wax is melted would somehow destroy the residue or that only fresh cappings wax (without any ) is used? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-67.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931470348 5550 209.130.165.67 (8 Jul 1999 21:45:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 21:45:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19257 Precisely. The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near perfect reputation. If anyone puposely adulterates or intentionally contaminates honey should not be in the business. --Busybee (Proud of the quality, healthy and wholesome honey our honeybees produce) Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com>... >Some people see a health aspect to products from the hive so isn't assurance >of quality important? Otherwise it's purpose is defeated. > >Al > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:33:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m39ko$fs6$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-7.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931473880 16262 62.136.92.7 (8 Jul 1999 22:44:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 22:44:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19258 Thanks for the references Keith - saved me looking them up. The pigment >from old cocoons comes mainly from the faeces of the larva; the process of uncapping and extracting with the inevitable damage to the top of the cells walls will disturb the old cocoons (polished or not!) and will add to the darkening. I rest my case. It is, of course, for the individual beekeeper to choose whether or not to extract from brood comb - I choose not. Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as >it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >> > From sagehill@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Garden Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:38:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 23:38:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x46.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19259 I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey flows? 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? All comments appreciated. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Message-ID: References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 931478518 216.100.20.231 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:01:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:01:58 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:48 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19260 In article <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, beebiz@frontiernet.net says... > If anyone puposely adulterates or intentionally > contaminates honey should not be in the business. > Or what about: "To the ovens with them". :0) From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Message-ID: References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> <19990708165454.27702.00003886@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 931478901 216.100.20.231 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:08:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:08:21 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:13:12 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19261 Here is the eb online info on the Honey Badger, fyi: To cite this page: "ratel" Encyclopædia Britannica Online. [Accessed July 8 1999]. ratel also called HONEY BADGER (Mellivora capensis), badgerlike member of the weasel family (Mustelidae) noted for its fondness for honey. Ratels live in covered and forested regions of Africa and southern Asia. The adult stands 25-30 cm (10-12 inches) at the shoulder and has a heavily built, thick-skinned body about 60-77 cm (24-30 inches) long, plus a tail length of 20-30 cm. The ears are rudimentary; the upper body parts are whitish, but the lower parts, face, and legs are black--the two colours sharply separated. Ratels are nocturnal and live in burrows dug with their strong, incurved front claws. They feed on small animals and fruit and on honey, which they find by following the calls of a bird, the greater, or black-throated, honey guide (Indicator indicator); the ratels break open the bees' nests to feed on the honey, and the birds in return obtain the remains of the nest. Ratels are strong, fearless fighters but in captivity can become tame and playful. A litter usually consists of two cubs. (See mutualism.) Search for related Internet links that use the term "ratel". Information about this topic in other articles ratel (mammal) classification and characteristics in Mustelids (family Mustelidae) from carnivore in Mustelids (family Mustelidae) from carnivore more general - Mellivora From mwhite@globalserve.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:12:12 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Message-ID: <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin107.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931479197 12126 209.90.138.170 (9 Jul 1999 00:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 00:13:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19262 Hi all: Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective and safe method of applying Formic Acid. Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 more days when all the acid is absorbed. Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air space. Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in the fall. For more info look at this web site http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee Good luck honeybs wrote: > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > -- White House Greetings from Mike and Luci From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:29:08 GMT References: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708202908.01992.00010854@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19263 I can picture the advantages here of slipping the super aside to leave a 3/8 inch gap for the bees to get better ventilation and access, but if you get a spring or summer rainstorm, doesn't this technique allow alot of water to run down onto the brood combs? John From bestbet_now@yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Devin Bolduc" Subject: Feeding in drought conditions Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: nconway-ppp-119.landmarknet.net/12.11.140.122 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 931480983221 Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:43:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 931480982 216.200.3.205 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:43:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:43:02 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19264 I'm having drought conditions in NH and many sources of pollen are non existant. I have planted buckwheat and will replant but no telling what will happen. My clover had gone by already and wild flowers aren't doing much now. Should I be feeding my hives pollen? I never stopped with sugar syrup, although it was nearly ignored until things got severe. I have 2 hives and am new to this for the most part although I have been around bee keepers. Getting acreage under cultivation for a honey crop normally isn't a problem but right now it is. Thanks for any input. Devin -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From mwhite@globalserve.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:54:21 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 139 Message-ID: <3785726D.2A7D018@globalserve.net> References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin107.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7" X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931481729 16134 209.90.138.170 (9 Jul 1999 00:55:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 00:55:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19265 --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an excerpt from an Ontario, Canada Master Gardener web site (hello.to/gardeners)... I don't know what zone you are in or what is in bloom during which month in the Pacific Northwest but this list should help you. If you are planning on planting any of these, mass plantings are best so the scout bees have something to brag about (dance) when they get back to the hive. *Plants that are especially high in nectar: Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Flower (Echinops ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vulgare) , *Canola, *Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion *Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae) *Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium Bird’s Foot Trefoil (Lotus corniculatus), Black Snakeroot (Cimicifuga), Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp., Dame's Rocket (Hesperis), Deadnettle (Lamium), Evening primrose (Oenothera biennis), *Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata), Var., Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth (Muscari), Hollyhock (biennial), *Knapweed (Centaurea), Penstemon, Rock Cress (Aubretia), Stonecrop (Sedum), Snow drops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower (Helianthus annuus), *Blue Bells (Phacelia tanacetifolia), Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis), Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses, Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch, Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac Mike P.S. The Hesperis was mostly attractive to butterflies. Penstemon (even the white one) is a favourite of Hummingbirds. sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in > the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: > > 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? > > 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey > flows? > > 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? > > All comments appreciated. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- White House Greetings from Mike and Luci --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an excerpt from an Ontario, Canada Master Gardener web site (hello.to/gardeners)... I don't know what zone you are in or what is in bloom during which month in the Pacific Northwest but this list should help you. If you are planning on planting any of these, mass plantings are best so the scout bees have something to brag about (dance) when they get back to the hive.

*Plants that are especially high in nectar:

Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Flower (Echinops
ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vulgare) , *Canola, *Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion
*Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae)
*Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium Bird’s Foot Trefoil (Lotus
corniculatus), Black Snakeroot (Cimicifuga), Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp.,
Dame's Rocket (Hesperis), Deadnettle (Lamium), Evening primrose (Oenothera biennis), *Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata),
Var., Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth
(Muscari), Hollyhock (biennial), *Knapweed (Centaurea), Penstemon, Rock Cress (Aubretia), Stonecrop (Sedum), Snow drops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium

Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower (Helianthus annuus), *Blue Bells (Phacelia tanacetifolia),
Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary

Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis),
Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock
Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses,
Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum

Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch,
Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac

Mike
P.S. The Hesperis was mostly attractive to butterflies. Penstemon (even the white one) is a favourite of Hummingbirds.

sagehill@my-deja.com wrote:

 I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in
the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are:

   1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from?

   2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey
flows?

   3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree?

  All comments appreciated.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

--
White House Greetings from Mike and Luci
  --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7-- From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brick on hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 01:17:39 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19266 I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or has been done to the hive. Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to all beekeepers that practise it? Al From bhaythorn@hotmail.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> From: Barry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help ! May have disease Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:23:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.9.211 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 931486804 216.26.9.211 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:20:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:20:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19267 I have 1 hive, about 1 month new with nukes, being my first time I have been checking the hive regularly, giving the bees all the food they can take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of each affexted frame. What is this? disease? what is my next move? I have done any medicating yet, any info would be helpful, I would hate to loose my first hive, up till now I think they were doing well. Portland, Oregon. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 02:24:52 GMT References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19268 busybee writes: >The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near >perfect reputation. I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and Folk Medicine. If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. Not only that it tastes darn good. Al From hensler@povn.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37855E60.5D8B@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:28:48 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.68 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931487773 206.107.251.68 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:36:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:36:13 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19269 sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > > I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in > the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: > > 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? > > 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey > flows? > > 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? > > All comments appreciated. Yo Sage: What part of the NW exactly are you asking about? There is a considerable difference between the Olympic Pen. and the Inland Empire in Wash. state for instance. Narrow it down and I'll try to help if I can... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Message-ID: References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.32 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931493961 216.100.28.32 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:19:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:19:21 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:24:12 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19270 I have heard of sticking a tack in a frame to mark, for example, the last known location of the queen. In article <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > > Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or > has been done to the hive. > > Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to > all beekeepers that practise it? > > Al > > > > From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Message-ID: References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.32 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931494095 216.100.28.32 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:21:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:21:35 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:26:26 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19271 It might just be pollen, dude! I have seen single cells of pollen of various colors and textures stored in scattered cells. In article <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com>, bhaythorn@hotmail.com says... > but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow > masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with > sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of > each affexted frame. > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:20:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.4b X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:25:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19272 In article <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101>, LongTimeLurker@lurk.com wrote: > Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a > picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to > distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. > > Thanks There's a picture of this in "First Lessons in Beekeeping", published by Dadant & Sons. I just saw my first queen cell in my hive, and it was easily recognizable after having seen the photo in the book. The queen cell hangs down, like a wasps nest, almost, while the drone cells, to me, just look like large worker cells. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:25:07 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.4b X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:30:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19273 In article <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > FWIW... I keep a brick on top of the hive to keep the top from blowing in windy conditions. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:51:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37857FC5.4437@midwest.net> References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:07:00 GMT X-Trace: 931496820.744.25 JF3D7GB4M1C0FD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19274 Barry wrote: > > I have 1 hive, about 1 month new with nukes, being my first time I have > been checking the hive regularly, giving the bees all the food they can > take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the > bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow > masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with > sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of > each affexted frame. What is this? Relax, it's probably pollen. The upper portion of a brood frame will be used for pollen & honey storage while the lower portion will contain brood cells. Pollen cells can add a lot of color - green, yellow, orange, brown, red. Later on when you have added a super and are rewarded with a surplus of honey for yourself, you'll see a speckling of pollen in those cells too. Actually 15 cells per side in a brood frame doesn't sound like enough pollen to me. AL From apipop@club-internet.fr Sat Jul 10 22:32:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!easynet-fr!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Mich. wax Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:31:01 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr> References: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-42.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 931499378 14072 194.158.120.42 (9 Jul 1999 05:49:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:49:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19275 Bonjour, Is it difficult to home-make beeswax soap ? Does somebody has a recipe to post here ? Thanks a lot in advance. -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Kassy68 a écrit dans le message : 19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com... > Hi , > I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of semi-refined wax................. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:37:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931512888 56836 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 09:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 09:34:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19276 Also, when within a yard and find we need to come back to the hive for whatever reason...we flip the cover up-side down. It is turned back up right before leaving the yard when we have made any adjustments. I've seen the colored tack method used to mark the hive (long term) but the brick on the top cover is (like Mr. Ledford mentioned) most likely to keep the cover in place. -Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>... >I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the >brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > >Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or >has been done to the hive. > >Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to >all beekeepers that practise it? > >Al > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:40:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931513074 47990 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 09:37:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 09:37:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19277 Queen cells remind me of mini Morel mushrooms. Supercedure cells look like acorn caps... --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101>, LongTimeLurker@lurk.com wrote: > >> Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a >> picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to >> distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. >> >> Thanks > >There's a picture of this in "First Lessons in Beekeeping", published by >Dadant & Sons. > >I just saw my first queen cell in my hive, and it was easily recognizable >after having seen the photo in the book. > >The queen cell hangs down, like a wasps nest, almost, while the drone >cells, to me, just look like large worker cells. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Mich. wax Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:13:10 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <7m4hq3$jam$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515011 19798 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:10:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:10:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19278 Here is a recipe I found in "The Soapmaker' Companion" by Susan Miller Cavitch (Storey Communications, Inc. Schoolhouse Road, Pownal VT 05261): It is called "E-I-E-I-O" (because many of the ingredients can be found on the farm, I guess) 6.4 oz goat's milk 12.8 oz. distilled water 218 grams sodium hydroxide 15 oz. olive oil* 1 lb. coconut oil 8 oz. vegetable shortening 15 oz. palm oil 2 oz. lanolin 1 oz. beeswax 4 egg yolks (at room temp) 1/4 cup dried oatmeal (not instant) 2 T. ground bee propolis (optional) 12 grams grapefruit seed extract (an optional preservative) 7 teasp. pure essential oil (optional *Remove 1 cup of olive oil and set aside Author recommends that this recipe be made in a free-standing mixer for a smoother grain, but this is optional. In a coffee grinder, powder the oatmeal and bee propolis into a fairly fine powder. Add sodium hydroxide to the water, whisking vigorously and continuously until the sodium hydroxide is completely dissolved. Allow to cool to 85 degrees F. Melt the beeswax along with the coconut oil, vegetable shortening, palm oil and lanolin. Then add the olive oil (the original volume munus the removed portion) to the melted fats. When the desired soap making temperatures are reached, warm the cup of reserved olive oil to 85 degrees F, then add egg yolks, whisking forcefully to blend well. Heat the goats milk gently to 80 degrees F. Drizzle the milk into the 85 degree F. lye solution whisking vigorously and continuously using a stainless steel whisk. Immediately add the lye/milk mixture to the 100 degree F fats and oils, beating briskly. After 1-2 min. of blending, drizzle in the well-blended egg/olive oil mixture, stirring briskly the entire time to prevent the egg yolks from curdling. At the trace, add the oatmeal/propolis mixture. There you have it ;-) Gosh, and I'm fresh out of goats' milk... If anyone wants to make a bar for me...I'll supply the wax and propolis :-) Seriously, if you really want to get into this soapmaking thing, I'd suggest buying "The Soapmakers' Companion" (filled with recipes, techniques and know-how". (I recieved my copy as a gift--didn't know if giver was hinting if I needed to take more showers???) Surely, I have my hands full tending bees let alone making soap, too! (hehehe) apipop wrote in message <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr>... >Bonjour, >Is it difficult to home-make beeswax soap ? Does somebody has a recipe >to post here ? >Thanks a lot in advance. >-- >apipop >WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° >_ >Kassy68 a écrit dans le message : >19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com... >> Hi , >> I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of >semi-refined wax................. > > > From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoNJBEIQHpjvtzMye4Hk+ex7fRWACFHYt0TMJRkpErx6TRS/TcpMnCXmJ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19279 If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on but if you do not there is no need for the cover. I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use them very much. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRpmVgvNKoXc0/6HbKQoTTtElZJiQIVAMlzSAvv+gBWRfupFzuidEomPDuJ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19280 Queen cells look like small goats " tits" BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:26:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515828 15130 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:23:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19281 That's true... (we have migratory covers) --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on but if you do not there is no need for the cover. I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use them very much. BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:28:40 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7m4in4$1nao$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515940 56664 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:25:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:25:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19282 LOL - I'll have to check out that comparison--never noticed before. --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Queen cells look like small goats " tits" BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRw1cw5c1nrBwKQ7n9oB0cDinHKTQIUOZ9/lSrtFYRDGT7mdmYhf36+Ca0= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19283 There were four of us beekeepers that extracted in the same honey house this year in the orange groves and produced over 500 drums of honey. It was all sold and graded as white honey. No one used excluders and there was always supers with brood. The kind of honey you produce by far has more to do with color than anything else. I state my case. BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:08:36 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931525536 15882 209.130.165.98 (9 Jul 1999 13:05:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 13:05:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19284 I'm with Bud! Away with honey excluders! Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! Bud - I like your idea of a shared honey house! Do each of you pitch in to extract the others honey too? Just curious... It's expensive to maintain a honey house...I would like to see more co-op extracting facilities. --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... There were four of us beekeepers that extracted in the same honey house this year in the orange groves and produced over 500 drums of honey. It was all sold and graded as white honey. No one used excluders and there was always supers with brood. The kind of honey you produce by far has more to do with color than anything else. I state my case. BUD From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 13:41:33 GMT References: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19285 busybee writes: >Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I >dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! > One knowledgable contributor to the newsgroup, who eats them, has said that they taste like oysters. I would rather use them as fishing bait and eat the fish. I read that the products of the hive (including bee pollen) are sufficient in themselves to sustain human life. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:52:47 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m4uls$1jl4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931528188 52900 209.130.165.98 (9 Jul 1999 13:49:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 13:49:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19286 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com>... >busybee writes: > >>Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I >>dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! >> > >One knowledgable contributor to the newsgroup, who eats them, has said that >they taste like oysters. > >I would rather use them as fishing bait and eat the fish. > >I read that the products of the hive (including bee pollen) are sufficient in >themselves to sustain human life. > >Al Someone told me once that all the cures to all known diseases can be found in the worlds' oceans, the rainforests and the beehives! Something to ponder... --Busybee From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mimosa Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:26:17 GMT X-Trace: 931533977.460.31 JF3D7GB4M049FD1F8C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19287 Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey flow? AL From trolan@bellsouth.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378619BE.FC2E46E1@bellsouth.net> From: "Tim Rolan (KE4UZI)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need some help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:48:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.52.19 X-Trace: news3.mia 931535261 209.214.52.19 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19288 Hello I am interested in starting to keep bees with a friends help,but have a few questions first..... A friend of mine is a new beekeeper (approx. 1 1/2 years) , he was telling me that I needed to place the hive in a north east direction with afternoon shade.Where I live my lot has no shade in the afternoon unless I put the hive facing my neigbors yard approx. 10 from a chain link fence, if I put the hive in a less shaded area how will this affect them?? I was told it would be best to buy the hive,bees,and supplies locally.Any suggestions on this or should I buy from a commercial supplier? I have a catalog from Dadant and am thinking about buying >from them. And last ; Does anyone know of any beekeepers in or around the Montgomery,Alabama or any other suppliers that provide catalogs? Tim Rolan trolan@bellsouth.net From jonathan@talent-centre.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:46:20 +0100 Organization: The Talent Centre Ltd Message-ID: References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: Jonathan NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 931536205 nnrp-10:2879 NO-IDENT vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19289 In article <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee writes >That's true... > >(we have migratory covers) > >--Busybee > You mean the covers fly south for the winter? > >John Partin wrote in message ><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on >but if you do not there is no need for the cover. > I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use >them very much. >BUD > > > -- Jonathan - who also beekeeps in sunny Do'set on the south coast of England. For improved results from people and teams visit - http://www.talent-centre.com The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From beetools@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 16:17:48 GMT References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990709121748.29712.00007980@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19290 You need to pick up a copy of "Nectar and Pollen Plants of Oregon and the Northwest" by Bertie Stringer. The three bee supply dealers in the Northwest (we're one of them) all carry this wonderful book in stock at $11.95. Get it as a gift from you to you! Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.oal.com/beetools From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-213.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:16:13 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.d5 X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 16:20:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19291 In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: >Supercedure... Could you define this term, please? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sagehill@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:23:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7m57kp$e0b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37855E60.5D8B@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 09 16:23:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19292 I see your point. We live in Victoria, B.C., Canada. i.e. on the southern tip of Vancouver Island, just north of the olympics in Washington. > Yo Sage: > > What part of the NW exactly are you asking about? There is a > considerable difference between the Olympic Pen. and the Inland Empire > in Wash. state for instance. > > Narrow it down and I'll try to help if I can... > > Skip > > -- > Skip and Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, Wash. > http://www.povn.com/rock > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey to wax ratio Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:10:36 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19293 >From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a LH frame. This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not reused. Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. thanks Al From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sat Jul 10 22:32:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:38:37 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7m5fkr$bf8$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 931545563 11752 129.173.88.206 (9 Jul 1999 18:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 18:39:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19294 Jajwuth wrote: >> From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of > wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. > > Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. Honey is stored in wax combs -as we all know-. The comb enables the bees to store honey for extented periods of time. They produce it on demand, when they need to built comb, and not all bees in a hive. If necessary a hive can produce quite a lot of wax in short time (swarm). It's a matter of age and the "job" of an individual which glands are working. Therefore I wouldn't call wax a byproduct, that sounds a little bit like recycled metabolism waste. > It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight > of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a > LH frame. > > This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not > reused. > > Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey > the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it > is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. > > thanks > Al Strange calculation! Sure, wax production costs honey. But is it a bargain to buy comb honey? No, because what you get is honey for your money. If you should pay for the honey used for producing the wax comb, it would be difficult to sell it. On the other hand, as a beekeeper who sells comb honey only you save a lot of money on extraction equipment. In fact, at least in Germany comb honey sells for a considerable higher price than pure honey. Reasons are different. 1) A particualr kind of honey is almost impossible to be harvest by centrifugation (Erica sp.). This honey is relatively rare and has a very own taste. You pay more money for it because it is considered a deli. 2) Some people think they buy more natural honey and pay extra for this. Thats a reason to sell regular honey in comb -if you have customers who are willing to pay the price. Cheers Ulli From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:44:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7m5foe$1k50$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net><7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931545678 53408 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 18:41:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 18:41:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19295 :-) Pretty much except they are afraid of travel by plane...they prefer hopping on semi-tractor trailers instead. --Busybee Jonathan Robbins wrote in message ... >In article <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee > writes >>That's true... >> >>(we have migratory covers) >> >>--Busybee >> >You mean the covers fly south for the winter? >> >>John Partin wrote in message >><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >>If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on >>but if you do not there is no need for the cover. >> I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use >>them very much. >>BUD >> >> >> >-- >Jonathan - who also beekeeps in sunny Do'set on the south coast of >England. >For improved results from people and teams visit - >http://www.talent-centre.com >The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <18115-37863D92-53@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRaMbpz0deQR21rf28Et2jRutRTigIUVcYxtIWidoBWX9M5FEEl/AIK2+8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19296 I am sorry but I did not know that the writeing cop Officer Johnathan Robbins was out on the NET today I will try to be more careful in the future. BOOKUM DANO BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:27:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7m5i91$epe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931548257 15150 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 19:24:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 19:24:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19297 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com>... >From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of >wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. > >Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. p. 960 of The Hive and the Honeybee (Dadant 1992) states "Beeswax, originally believed to have been collected from flowers or made from pollen, was dicovered in 1744 by H.C. Hornbostel to be synthesized by four pairs of wax-secreting epidermal glands on the ventral side of worker abdomens." continuing..."...beeswax is removed, reshaped, molded and used over and over again within the nest. The combs are literally the nursery, walls, storage pantry, home , pharmacy and dance floor for the colony's myriad of occupants. Without their wax-secreting abilities evolved millions of years ago, honey bees would be largely unrecognizable to us." >It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight >of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a >LH frame. Also, according to THATH, "one gram of beeswax can be worked into about 20 cm2 two-sided comb surface. It requires about 55 grams of beeswax built into combs to store every kg of ripened and capped honey." "A honeybee colony, with approx 30,000 or more workers weighs from 2.4 to 3.6 kg. Their nest, the double sided hexagonal combs, when empty comprise an area of approx 2.5 sq. meters (double sided), weighing 1.4 kg and containing 100,000 cells (Seely and Morse) whose construction requires the metabolism of 25 kg of sugars. The Langstroth deep frame can hold 1.3 - 2.7 litres of honey, yet the wax necessary to produce these 7,100 cells weighs only 100 g, thus such honey: wax ratios in standard equipment vary from 17.8 to 19.8:1." > >This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not >reused. > >Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey >the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it >is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. > >thanks >Al > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:03:43 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931546846 44246 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 19:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 19:00:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19298 First I guess the correct spelling is "supersedure"...when the hive raises a new queen on its own for these reasons: when they don't like the present queen (then they have swarming on their minds) or that their queen has died (or was killed). --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" > wrote: > >>Supercedure... > >Could you define this term, please? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From kent@hew.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh3!not-for-mail From: "Kent Petersen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:36:41 -0500 Organization: UUNET Message-ID: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kent.hew.com X-Trace: ffx2nh3.news.uu.net 931552494 29482 208.245.106.103 (9 Jul 1999 20:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 20:34:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19299 Can anyone help me? I have an interior wall of my house that is invested by thousands of bees. They came in under the soffit on an upstairs bedroom and got into the interior wall. They cover an area of about 6 feet wide. We can hear them in there. There must be thousands. Any ideas?? Thanks, Kent Petersen From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:13:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m5pd6$3lf$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931555558 3759 62.136.19.251 (9 Jul 1999 21:25:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 21:25:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19300 Interesting word. Supersedure from supersedere - to be superior to - but supercession. In beekeeping can be defined as the replacement of a queen without swarming. Queen cells are produced - the commonly quoted rule is that less than 6 indicates supersedure, whereas more than 6 indicates swarming (do not rely on this!) - and a new queen emerges, flies to mate and then starts laying, whilst the old queen continues in residence. The old queen normally disappears during the following winter and the new queen takes over. The phenomenum is rarely noticed by beekeepers who do not mark their queens, but those who do so will see the new unmarked queen and the old marked one - often working on the same comb. busybee wrote in message <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >First I guess the correct spelling is "supersedure"...when the hive raises a >new queen on its own for these reasons: when they don't like the present >queen (then they have swarming on their minds) or that their queen has died >(or was killed). > >--Busybee > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >>In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" >> wrote: >> >>>Supercedure... >> >>Could you define this term, please? >> >>-- >>Charles "Stretch" Ledford >>STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >>"North America and the Entire World" >>http://www.GoStretch.com > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:25:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931555559 3759 62.136.19.251 (9 Jul 1999 21:25:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 21:25:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19301 There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. However, it is a fact that honey extracted from brood comb is less than perfect for reasons already given; this is no reflection on honey as a product - simply, in my view, bad practice on the part of some beekeepers. Others obviously think differently and I would defend their right to do so; in posting my original comment I was simply making inexperienced beekeepers aware of the issues. Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com>... >busybee writes: > >>The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >>non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near >>perfect reputation. > >I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. >The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and Folk >Medicine. > >If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you >would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. >Not only that it tastes darn good. > >Al > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.idt.net!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:52:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7m5uaq$q9k$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-27.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931560602 26932 209.130.165.27 (9 Jul 1999 22:50:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 22:50:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19302 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would >agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the >bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire >heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. > Cool! What does this honey taste like? >However, it is a fact that honey extracted from brood comb is less than >perfect for reasons already given; this is no reflection on honey as a >product - simply, in my view, bad practice on the part of some beekeepers. Quite true... > >Others obviously think differently and I would defend their right to do so; >in posting my original comment I was simply making inexperienced beekeepers >aware of the issues. > The inexperienced will learn. It is to educate the general public to be connoiseurs of honey. The general public (at least in the US) has no idea that there are different flavors and colors of honey...they just look for the cheapest "junk" on the shelf with little regard about where the bees gathered the nectar or if the packer has mixed in a little corn syrup or the standard honey blends of the packers... they don't give a hoot...its all honey to them! >Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com>... >>busybee writes: >> >>>The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >>>non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' >near >>>perfect reputation. >> >>I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. >>The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and >Folk >>Medicine. >> >>If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you >>would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. >>Not only that it tastes darn good. >> >>Al >> >> > > From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 22:57:43 GMT References: <7m5i91$epe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709185743.06753.00003888@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19303 Thanks for the data and comments, busybee& Ulli. With my rough finagling of the data I figure that for each one lb of honey including comb removed the bees consume 1/3 of a lb of honey to make the comb that was removed. You may want to check my cyphering. That doesn't sound as bad as 6 to 7 lbs of honey consumed to make one lb of wax. I assume also that if you don't supply drawn comb or if you remove comb like in the operation of a top bar hive it knocks the heck out of the efficiency of the hive. Since the bees are preoccupied with making comb. There is probably other factors as well. Al From wachter13@aol.comspam Sat Jul 10 22:32:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wachter13@aol.comspam (Wachter13) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 23:37:56 GMT References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990709193756.13966.00009662@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19304 Where are you located? Call an apiarist or beekeeper and they will either remove them or know someone who will. Good luck, MARC From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! DON'T KILL THEM/ CALL BEE BOB Message-ID: References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931564190 216.100.20.231 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:49:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:49:50 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:54:41 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19305 Don't kill them! Call a beekeeper. If you kill them the bees will have to be mucked out whereas if they are alive the beekeeper has tricks to get them out of the wall and into his possession. Some beekeepers will not do the job at all if you kill them. In article <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net>, kent@hew.com says... > Can anyone help me? I have an interior wall of my house that is invested by > thousands of bees. They came in under the soffit on an upstairs bedroom and > got into the interior wall. They cover an area of about 6 feet wide. We > can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > > Any ideas?? > Thanks, > Kent Petersen > > > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Garden Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:00:16 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 931565158 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:05:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:05:58 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19306 If you like a dark and strong flavored honey, buckwheat can be grown under almost any conditions and season. The bees will love it. From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:05:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19307 AL wrote: >Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey >flow? Do you see bees working the flowers? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3786A6E5.47B@midwest.net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:20 GMT X-Trace: 931572380.234.75 JF3D7GB4M1C1BD0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19308 honeybs wrote: > > AL wrote: > > >Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey > >flow? > > Do you see bees working the flowers? > > Greg the beekeep Haven't been that close - only see the trees from a distance on my drive to work. Until today I wasn't even sure what kind of tree I was seeing. AL From f@k.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:15:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.85.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 931572911 209.30.85.100 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:15:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:15:11 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19309 I have seen several odd bees in the flowers of my yard. I was watching my bees come and go and noticed about 20 feet away several bees on the near by flowers. They were about the size of a regular european bee but the abdomen was flatter and turned up on the end. Thery had 6 legs and a little wider head than in the europeans. The length was about the same as the europeans. The bees collected pollen on the bottom of their abdomen and seemed to be collecting necter as well as pollen. They did stay on one kind of flower though I did see others on a different kind of flower. I could only see two wings. What do yall think? I live in central Oklahoma in the country east of Oklahoma City. There is not very much agriculture in this area ( within about 20 miles ) mostly ranch land with people living on acreages. Thanks Chris From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: humugous hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 02:59:20 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19310 In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, 150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the dollar value is dated. Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the fact that it was a wild hive? Al . From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 02:59:21 GMT References: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19311 Peter Edwards writes: >There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would >agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the >bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire >heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. > I don't doubt your heather comb honey is first rate. Where I live there is a Scottish food retailer that sells old country food products. I asked them if they had any honey and they said they didn't. I was surprised since heather honey is commented in books as being world class. Are you from England and please correct me if I am wrong that Scotland produces heather honey. Is it also true that the character of the honey such that it is best sold as comb honey, Like busybee I would like you to describe what it tastes like. Al From hmbrewer@sinosa.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr> Subject: Re: Newbie info Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: <%czh3.15648$AU3.413655@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:36:27 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-ae0IFOxFyatoIEcAF1zWgGaLr/px+cJEmEFBl/aD1P4t6jcVAleqlTHTjOAC9VM/Ms0N8e1c3/+gUjg!z5Z04MW8QCNg X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:34:34 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19312 That is the problem. I cannot find any leads where I live. apipop wrote in message <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr>... >Bravo, Busybee your answer is perfect !!!! >-- >apipop >WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° >_ >busybee a écrit dans le message : >7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... >> Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend >as many >> beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the >industry) and >> there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in >your >> area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You >can read >> all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from >hands-on >> experience. >> >> --Busybee >> >> >> Jeff wrote in message ... >> >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >> >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> > >> >> > > > From hmbrewer@sinosa.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news3.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More Info Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:06:01 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-tIEJW1Dj8n9ooXcSVby7efnBv+eDrZQcAyIvBE5i5yfk1dFyWOQhfd0aZI0QucNx+tYOLCJFP/btGpI!nOYFLovepaE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:04:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:149 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19313 I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me and I will give you my address. Thanks. Jeff From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 04:44:22 GMT References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710004422.01988.00011959@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19314 >We >can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > >Any ideas?? ok first off where are you ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:14:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> <19990710004422.01988.00011959@ng-cc1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.38 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:30:12 GMT X-Trace: 931584612.781.67 JF3D7GB4M1C26D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19315 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >We > >can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > > > >Any ideas?? > > ok first off where are you ? > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Uh oh, I can see ol Kev rubbing his hands on this one - he'll either head out to retrieve bees or sell on of his top notch bee vacs. I just have one request Kev, if they're in S.E. IL can I have 'em? AL From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees go buckwild! Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m77jk$3lg2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931602868 000 192.168.254.73 (10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19316 >My guess, as a newbie... "orientation flights" for newly hatched, newly >flying bees. thanks From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: super on late? web site for frames. Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931603617 000 192.168.254.73 (10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19317 i do believe i am about to put my second super on too late. i checked the hive last week and saw they had sealed the honeycomb for the top half of each frame, i was finally able to afford to get some more foundation for the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday late, rained friday, and now i am going to put it on today, what do i look for? am i in big trouble you think? does anyone have a site with instruction on how to add foundation on the frames, i need to check somethings and had to return my library books. if possible cc an email. thanks. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:12:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Message-ID: <7m79m1$fk4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931604993 16004 209.130.165.79 (10 Jul 1999 11:09:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 11:09:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19318 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com>... >In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > >A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, >150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it >yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal >value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the >dollar value is dated. Oh, come on, pleeeaaase? It can't be any worse than present value.... (smile) > >Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the >fact that it was a wild hive? > 7,000 lbs of honey is quite abit! >Al >. --Busybee From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More Info Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:22:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7m7a7a$13bg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931605546 36208 209.130.165.79 (10 Jul 1999 11:19:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 11:19:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19319 Two good magazines that I would recommend: The American Bee Journal 51 S. 2nd St. Hamilton, IL 62341 www.dadant.com Bee Culture The A.I. Root Co. 623 W. Liberty St. Medina, OH 44256 e.mail: kim@airoot.com My opinion - TABJ is geared toward the commercial operation whereas BC provides information for the hobby keeper. But both are excellent publications. --Busybee Jeff wrote in message ... >I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the >books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be >willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they >exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me >and I will give you my address. Thanks. > >Jeff > > From adamf@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: 10 Jul 1999 08:15:44 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m6vfg$fuo$1@golux.radix.net> References: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19320 In article <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: >>Picture Julia Child in spandex on > >Yeah but Julia is talented. Also, Julia Child wouldn't have time to "do speed". She's too busy finding ingredients for her intricate menus. _The Way To Cook_ is my favorite of her cookbooks, and in general, one of the better cooking references available. Martha Stuart? No comment. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From barrycode@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: barrycode@aol.com (BarryCode) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 12:23:23 GMT References: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710082323.04440.00010567@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19321 Hmmm, I think you're right Al. I can see Kevin rubbing his hands together now. "Where are those bees?" Just a reminder Kevin. I bought the very first Big Johnson. So I figure those bees are mine if they are in the state of Florida. Barry From adamf@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: 10 Jul 1999 08:28:26 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m707a$g09$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19322 In article <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net>, dewitt wrote: > >On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's >show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . >Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. > >Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? Wow. She has bees on t.v.? (I don't have one--I read too many journal articles.) Maybe she'd hire a beekeeping tech team from sci.agriculture.beekeeping to advise her. Maybe not. :-) Her 19 century style "naturalist" dabbling is nauseating. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: More Info Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:06:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931612007 204.186.180.35 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:06:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:06:47 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:150 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19323 Jeff, Send me your address and I will send you a couple issues. In the meantime check out our website: www.draperbee.com Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net Jeff wrote in message ... >I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the >books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be >willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they >exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me >and I will give you my address. Thanks. > >Jeff > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: super on late? web site for frames. Lines: 280 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECAB2.D1267320" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:03:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931611822 204.186.180.35 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:03:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:03:42 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19324 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is not to late to add your next super, in fact you should add it = a.s.a.p. Below is a picture of how to insert and fasten foundation. We have books for sale and videos for rent that can teach you almost = everything you need to know about bees. Check out our website: www.draperbee.com Good Luck! Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net Shelley Corbin wrote in message = <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >i do believe i am about to put my second super on too late. i checked = the=20 >hive last week and saw they had sealed the honeycomb for the top half = of=20 >each frame, i was finally able to afford to get some more foundation = for=20 >the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday late,=20 >rained friday, and now i am going to put it on today, what do i look = for?=20 >am i in big trouble you think? does anyone have a site with = instruction=20 >on how to add foundation on the frames, i need to check somethings and=20 >had to return my library books. if possible cc an email. thanks.=20 > ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
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>the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday = late,=20
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Date: 10 Jul 1999 09:16:09 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <7m730p$g4f$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19325 In article <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards wrote: >I have to say, though, that not many people recommend trying bleach! Well, gee whizzy. So much yammering about AFB spores. If you sample a random frame, comb or interior of a cell, I'd bet you could find some AFB spores. AFB spores don't make hives break down with AFB. AFB spores and weakened hives and other conditions together make hives breakdown with AFB. Eradication of AFB spores is like eradication of mosquitoes to fight malaria, or eradication of ticks to control Lyme disease. Live with AFB spores. Keep your hives as healthy as you can. Avoid large sources of AFB spores, and if you've found you have a breakdown of AFB, clean up the source. When I was a bee inspector, I contacted Dr. Shimanuki at the Beltsville USDA lab for a recipe to give to beekeepers who felt compelled to save their AFB frames. This recipe below is that one. It's from http://metalab.unc.edu/bees click on browse ____________________________________________________________________ Frame Bath for AFB My opinion? Burn frames and buy new ones. Sorry if you have to convert to metric. Chlorine Bath: 4 oz. sodium hypochlorite per 100 gal H2O or 1 gal Clorox (chlorine) bleach per 100 gal H20 Lye Bath: 1 lb lye per 10 gal H2O All H2O should be boiling or almost that HOT. Keep frames submerged with wooden post or weights. These materials will harm you if proper protection isn't employed. ______________________________________________________________________ The idea is to clean the frames of secondary infection, not to eradicate AFB spores. How many frames are you going to save with all this boiling? If you have that much AFB, maybe a review of basic beekeeping techniques would be advisable, and seeking aid from the apicultural professional (public or private) would be good. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:32:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 13:34:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19326 3000 species of bees in the USA If you want to see more of them put a lawn chair in front of some sunflowers. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From countrymeadow@ibm.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37876B08.216EFC4@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:47:20 -0500 From: Garland L Allen Reply-To: countrymeadow@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coating for Bee hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.217.171 X-Trace: 10 Jul 1999 14:41:10 GMT, 32.100.217.171 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 10 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.217.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19327 My father had seen a recipe for a hive paint which used bee's wax, mineral spirits and two other ingredients. He has lost the reference and ask me if I remember seeing it in one of the bee magazines. Can anyone offer a clue as to where to look? Thanks, Garland Allen From newlife@cyberlink.bc.ca Sat Jul 10 22:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail From: "J&D BEES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey but no brood Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:10:55 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.239.3.135 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 931620078 204.239.3.135 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:21:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:21:18 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19328 Hi I'm a "newbe" with a question. I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago I saw some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. Last night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in both stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that I observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and green honey. Can anyone help me with this? I obviously picked up a couple of swarms but......? Thanks Jeff From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey but no brood Lines: 106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <4lKh3.1347$uA5.111827@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:16:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931623360 204.186.180.48 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:16:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:16:00 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19329 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You have a couple options: 1.. Add some brood with fresh eggs from another colony, and let them = make a new queen. 2.. Order a new queen through the mail, and add her to the colony. Either way you most likely will not make much honey this year, but = hopefully they will produce enough to make it through the winter. We sell queens if you are interested, see our website www.draperbee.com = or call if you have any questions 800-233-4273 Good Luck! Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net J&D BEES wrote in message ... >Hi >I'm a "newbe" with a question. > >I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago = I saw >some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. = Last >night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in = both >stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing = that I >observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and = green >honey. > >Can anyone help me with this? > >I obviously picked up a couple of swarms but......? > >Thanks > >Jeff > > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You have a couple options:
  1. Add some brood with fresh eggs from another = colony, and let=20 them make a new queen.
  2. Order a new queen through the mail, and add her = to the=20 colony.
Either way you most likely will not make much honey = this year,=20 but hopefully they will produce enough to make it through the=20 winter.
We sell queens if you are interested, see our = website www.draperbee.com or call if you = have any=20 questions 800-233-4273
 
Good Luck!
 
Royal W. Draper
draperb@ptd.net
 
J&D BEES wrote in=20 message = ...
>Hi
>I'm a=20 "newbe" with a question.
>
>I had two stacks of = supers=20 outside for a season.  a couple of days ago I saw
>some = activity in=20 the suppers.  I thot they were just being robbed.  = Last
>night I=20 did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in = both
>stacks f=20 suppers.  I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that=20 I
>observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of = bees and=20 green
>honey.
>
>Can anyone help me with=20 this?
>
>I obviously picked up a couple of swarms=20 but......?
>
>Thanks
>
>Jeff
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460-- From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:46:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:50:50 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19330 I saw the damndest looking bee the other day... Black body, and bright orange abdomen. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:43:42 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:47:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19331 In article <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net>, "Kent Petersen" wrote: > Can anyone help me? We > can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > Don't let it worry you, but... there are probably TENS of thousands! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalkbrood Transmission Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:00:13 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:04:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19332 I went out with a local beekeeper to visit his hives this morning, and he had two pretty well wrung out from chalkbrood. I used a hive tool of his, but my gloves while working the diseased hive. Should I sterilize the gloves before using them to go into my hive? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:09:41 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:13:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19333 We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, however... Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From h.tait@home.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:36:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 931635363 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:03 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19334 We have top entrances in all our hives, and are using in quite a few a 1 inch bored hole to facilitate entrance.From watching gatherers bring in nectar the bypass the bottom entrance and fly directly to the top entrance or in the hole in the middle of the super. The then do not have the excluder to deal with . hugh Boschman Huges Apiaries > In addition--queen excluders around here are referred to as "honey > excluders". Think about it...a foraging bee returning to the hive full of > nectar then having to squeeze through an excluder? They will - but they > don't want to! > > --Busybee > From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.128 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931640273 216.100.28.128 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:53 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:02:45 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19335 That would have been the dreaded Black Widow Bee. In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) says... > I saw the damndest looking bee the other day... > > Black body, and bright orange abdomen. > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:27:58 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-104.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931641898 71570 209.130.165.104 (10 Jul 1999 21:24:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:24:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19336 Can they spray after dusk? After the bees have settled in for the night? --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. > >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... > >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? > >Thanks. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-226.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:12:12 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.e2 X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:16:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19337 In article , Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > That would have been the dreaded Black Widow Bee. > > YIKES! (You're kidding, right?) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:00:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7m8ja4$3d8$5@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647620 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19338 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com>... >I don't doubt your heather comb honey is first rate. Where I live there is a >Scottish food retailer that sells old country food products. I asked them if >they had any honey and they said they didn't. I was surprised since heather >honey is commented in books as being world class. > >Are you from England and please correct me if I am wrong that Scotland produces >heather honey. Is it also true that the character of the honey such that it is >best sold as comb honey, > >I live in Stratford-upon-Avon where the season runs from April to the end of July (although the strange weather in recent years has often made that statement invalid). At the end of July we take the bees to the Yorkshire moors (320 mile round trip) to work the heather (Calluna Vulgaris) which usually starts flowering in very late July or the first week in August; the traditional date for moving was 12 August (the 'Glorious Twelfth' - start of the grouse shooting season) but the heather is now usually well in flower by then. The flow can come at any time - or not at all! - and you need to have bees on the heather in case in comes early. They stay on the moors until about 5 September. Heather honey is very distinctive in that it has a bitter sweet taste (you either like or you hate it) and is thixotropic i.e. it has a jelly like consistency but becomes liquid when stirred, but then returns to the jelly state - like non-drip paint; a good word to describe it is 'gloopy'! Extracting is a problem. It will not spin out with a radial extractor, but can be 'loosened' with various devices that use 'needles' to stir the honey in the comb and make it possible to extract with a tangential extractor. However, because of its physical properties, air bubbles do not rise to the surface and any extracting leaves very fine air bubbles in the honey giving it an unattractive muddy appearance. In my view the best options are either to produce cut comb (it is perfect for this as it does not drain away where the comb has been cut) or to press the comb using a rack and cloth press (as used for wine making). The press produces a clear honey with characteristic large (up to approx 1/8") air bubbles which give a sparkling appearance. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:35:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647619 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19339 I have to ask why anyone would spray an elm tree with Sevin! Not sure about your season over there, but bees do work elm flowers (or so I am told - we have lost virtually all our elms to Dutch Elm disease; their only use now is that the rotting stumps make wonderful smoker fuel). Sevin is nasty stuff as it is persistent - if it contaminates pollen and the bees bring it back to the hive then you will have problems for some time. Negotiate! Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. > >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... > >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? > >Thanks. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:27:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7m8ja2$3d8$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647618 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19340 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com>... >In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > >A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, >150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. A tall story in more ways than one! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey but no brood Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:25:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m8ja1$3d8$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647617 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19341 J&D BEES wrote in message ... >Hi >I'm a "newbe" with a question. > >I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago I saw >some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. Last >night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in both >stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that I >observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and green >honey. 1 Not good practice to allow supers to be robbed out - it can spread disease. 2 You have probably got a swarm in there. 3 Lack of brood may be because the queen has not yet started to lay - you do not say how long they have been there. 4 I have seen green honey where bees were near a soft drinks factory and were robbing discarded containers of concentrate used for flavouring and colouring the drinks.> From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Transmission Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:18:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7m8ja0$3d8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647616 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19342 Research by Bailey show that chalk brood spores can be found in virtually all hives. However, not all colonies show symptoms. There is a parallel in EFB, where many now believe this to be endemic, but with the majority of colonies not displaying clinical symptoms. (Rather like the human population and the common cold - it is endemic - but most cope with it and do not suffer any really serious problem). There is, therefore, no point in trying to sterilise equipment. One interesting point: since I have been using thymol to treat varroa I have not seen any chalk brood - and it was previously always a significant problem. Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >I went out with a local beekeeper to visit his hives this morning, and he >had two pretty well wrung out from chalkbrood. > >I used a hive tool of his, but my gloves while working the diseased hive. > >Should I sterilize the gloves before using them to go into my hive? > >Thanks! > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:32:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7m8mlg$j25$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19343 Experiments were conducted at the University of Maryland on this subject. No difference in the honey's color could be detected from dark combs or new combs. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:40:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7m8n3r$j25$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19344 HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? >Thanks. If your going to keep them in make sure to use a screen top on the hive. Spraying a little water on them might be a good idea too. I am assuming that it is hot where you are. If they can't get out to get water to cool the hive then you have to help. Maybe some ice on top of the screen. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:35:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m8mrd$j25$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19345 "busybee" wrote: >I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use >feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. Yeah, especially when you see the little devels gathering dog pee! They damn near follow the dog around. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jimowen@swbell.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3787E451.87785539@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:24:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.48.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 931652576 151.164.48.54 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:22:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:22:56 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19346 I read an article about 2 years ago (don't remember where) about the "brick trick". In a research beeyard at one of the major universities (I think), they had the bricks painted different colors on each face, and a specific color facing "up" had a specific meaning to all the various crews who worked in the yard. One color meant "queen right", another meant "swarm cells", etc. They said the color codes allowed them to work a lot of hives and remember which ones were "abnormal" (whatever that means, and the reason) from the others. Personally, I use rocks (and an occasional brick) to keep the covers on, and haven't bothered painting them. regards, Jim Jajwuth wrote: > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > > Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or > has been done to the hive. > > Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to > all beekeepers that practise it? > > Al From beefruitful@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beefruitful@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: work wanted SO. Cali. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:14:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m8nke$h1e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.245.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 11 00:04:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.179.245.72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19347 Hello, My name is David DeWitt, I am a beekeeper who just moved to the Los Angeles/Long Beach area. I am looking for work in a apiary. I have been keeping bees for 10 years. I am also looking for an organic farm to rent space so that I can set up 10-20 hives. Please contact by e-mail: dakd@earthlink.net or by U.S. mail: 12135 Stanwood Dr. Los Angeles, CA 90066 thanks, David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rhfjr81@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Rhfjr81) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax melter Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:38:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19348 I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? Richard Flanagan From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-100.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:13:42 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.64 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:18:42 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19349 In article <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I have to ask why anyone would spray an elm tree with Sevin! > They said some kinda bug is eating the hell out of the trees. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-100.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:13:01 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.64 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:18:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19350 In article <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > Can they spray after dusk? After the bees have settled in for the night? > > --Busybee I doubt it... it's their yard, they schedule it when they can... it's happening tomorrow morning. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From slovacek@hotmail.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Slovacek" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:45:45 -0500 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.150.72.120 Message-ID: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 01:00:05 GMT, 207.150.72.120 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.154.138.15!news.busprod.com!207.150.72.120 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19351 I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? Thanks, Mark Slovacek. From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 02:09:59 GMT References: <7m8ja2$3d8$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990710220959.05316.00005179@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19352 Peter Edwards writes: >A tall story in more ways than one! > This was taken from a book entitled Everthing You Wanted To Know About Honey by P. E. Norris on pg 15. The hive was discovered by a dude by the name of Dr. Gulmeth. The hive yielded 7,000 lbs of honey and it was sold for $1,200. The book was published in 1972. Seems like a shame to disturb it since the hive was probably quite old and unusual Cheers Al. From hensler@povn.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.good.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378809F9.14B7@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:05:29 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.194 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931662221 206.107.251.194 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:03:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:03:41 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19353 Rhfjr81 wrote: > > I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 > pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from > the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > Richard Flanagan Yo Rich: Try http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 11 08:39:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:34:10 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m92a4$su6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.196 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931662980 29638 12.72.50.196 (11 Jul 1999 03:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:16:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19354 I solved this problem by going with migratory-type covers. I'll never go back to the telescoping. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0807992325070001@pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net... > FWIW... > > I keep a brick on top of the hive to keep the top from blowing in windy > conditions. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jul 11 08:39:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:13:44 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 50 Message-ID: <378819F7.F56BD659@valley.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> <3787E451.87785539@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19355 Jim Owen wrote: > I read an article about 2 years ago (don't remember where) about the "brick > trick". In a research beeyard at one of the major universities (I think), they had > the bricks painted different colors on each face, and a specific color facing "up" > had a specific meaning to all the various crews who worked in the yard. One color > meant "queen right", another meant "swarm cells", etc. They said the color codes > allowed them to work a lot of hives and remember which ones were "abnormal" > (whatever that means, and the reason) from the others. > > Personally, I use rocks (and an occasional brick) to keep the covers on, and > haven't bothered painting them. > > regards, > Jim > greetings, i've lost the start of this thread. is the general opinion here that telescoping covers need bricks on top to keep them in place? i ask, because we just had a wicked bad storm blow thru here [new hamsphire] earlier in the week. winds blew down some huge trees in the valley and ripped the roof off of the city hall. it was kind of localized, depended on whether or not you were in the line of fire. up here on the ridge, i was. i lost 7 trees around the house and yard, unknown number in the woods. i figure the straight winds gusted to 70+ mph. the reason i give this detail is because my hives were in the back yard and took some real heavy blasts. right now, they are 3 deeps with 3 medium supers on top, pretty tall, with telescoping roofs. i was prepared for the worst, but those babies didn't budge at all. guess, there's value to propolis, after all. as to the roofs, i didn't secure them in any way, maybe i was just lucky? side note: this storm came up real fast in mid-afternoon. one minute i was watering the garden in full sun and 96 degrees, then next it looked like dusk, and i was scrambling to get the dog inside, before the sky fell. about 5 minutes before the storm hit, there were huge clouds of bees before the hive entrances, much more than usual, all rushing to get inside. i figure they were responding to a rapid drop in barometric pressure, but it's just a guess. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 05:47:48 GMT References: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711014748.09001.00003723@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19356 >head out to retrieve bees or sell on of his top notch bee vacs. > > >I just have one request Kev, if they're in S.E. IL can I have 'em? > > > >AL > SURE THING DUDE damn caps key Ya don't just leave here and drop by out thar ya know ?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 05:49:17 GMT References: <19990710082323.04440.00010567@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711014917.09001.00003724@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19357 >Just a reminder Kevin. I bought the very first Big Johnson. So I figure those >bees are mine if they are in the state of Florida. > >Barr hehe, yep an the initial prototype at that ! how'd it work out for ya this season ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bud1941@webtv.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990710220959.05316.00005179@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAoVhUBbe7aoj2p6cZK1Nk2s0biXcCFQCdcmh24477FoG2vj1Gy9Wk5a9jyQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19358 Make sure that you do not believe every thing you read. Seeing is beliveing. BUD From sauer@mwci.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:41:59 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 79 Message-ID: <01becba3$4b20c860$ba958ecf@default> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.142.149.186 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:41:59 GMT X-Trace: 931700519.933.17 EYSSBSUGM95BACF8EC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19359 This sounds terrific... in Canada. This application of formic acid is not approved in the US. Chris Colesburg Apiaries mwhite wrote in article <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net>... > > Hi all: > Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph > and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective > and safe method of applying Formic Acid. > Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be > the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them > in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of > the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the > recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the > > container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 > more days when all the acid is absorbed. > Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place > on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will > need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will > allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air > space. > Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in > the fall. > > For more info look at this web site > http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee > > Good luck > > > > honeybs wrote: > > > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > > >fingers > > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > > dead. > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > > > -- > White House Greetings from Mike and Luci > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 17:37:01 GMT References: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711133701.17959.00005679@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19360 I have no reason to disbelieve it. The mammoth hive in the tree might be a conglomerate of a number of hives. Another dude by the name of Dr. Jaromir Rasin built a minature concrete palace, surmounted by a cupola, in which lived more than 7,000,000 bees. That would be equivalent of how many LHs? (140). He kept the bees mainly to study them and record his observations. cheers Al From teeedle2@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: teeedle2@aol.com (Teeedle2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: anyone near Denver want a swarm ? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 18:53:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711145345.15723.00013217@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19361 hi, i have a swarm of honeybees im my tree and would like to find them a better home. it is about soccer ball sized. i have been unable to find anyone who is interested..... any suggestions? ( we are in Denver suburbs, Littleton) thanks, Teee From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3788FC4B.1DEF875C@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-bar Hive Info Page on WWW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:19:31 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 931723782 24.95.169.104 (Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:09:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:09:42 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19362 ...at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3788F0A6.B8702521@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:29:43 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Jajwuth Subject: Re: humugous hive References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 15:31:33 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19363 Whatever they got, they earned it going up 150 feet and bringing down 7,000 lbs. Jajwuth wrote: > In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > > A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, > 150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it > yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal > value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the > dollar value is dated. > > Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the > fact that it was a wild hive? > > Al > . From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3788EFAA.28596F8F@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:25:30 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Economics of Beekeeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 15:27:20 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19364 Venturing into a big subject I pose the question---. What are the economics of beekeeping? I live in Southern Ontario where the winters are cold. The season for bee activity is,as far as I can tell, May through mid-October. How many hives can a full timer handle? How much honey can you get per year from an established colony? How much honey would you get in a great year? How much would you get in a poor year? (assuming the colony is healthy.) How much ($/per lb.) can you sell honey for? Is there money to be earned from the wax, or other by-products? That'll do for a starting point. Any help will be appreciated. From booton@jobe.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: Morris Booton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: 11 Jul 1999 21:09:09 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5> References: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19365 Mark: I live in MO and use Homan Mcmasters out of Mississippi. They have good bees and Queens. MRB Mark Slovacek wrote: > I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the > process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another > bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees > that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the > pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? > > Thanks, > Mark Slovacek. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 22:00:46 GMT References: <3788F0A6.B8702521@cgocable.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711180046.05315.00005533@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19366 Peter Thoem writes: >Whatever they got, they earned it going up 150 feet and bringing down 7,000 >lbs. > It says he felled the tree with great care so as not to injure the hive. Whatever that is suppose to mean, if you fell the tree with a hive that big I would think you would destroy the hive. Al From jkimbro@midtown.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:56:17 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37892F21.3D2AA632@midtown.net> References: <7lr0ld$q7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:01:42 GMT X-Trace: 931737702.869.51 YIDHBSSGM6557CDA2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19367 There are lot's-O-keepers out there that would "rent" you an extractor. Or a local beekeepers association possibly,,what part of the world are ya in? carmar wrote: > I have Five deep frames of honey that I would like to > extract..Can anyone advise a reasonable way to do this > without an extractor. I would like to save the comb if > at all possible. When I received this hive it had > two brood chambers full of brood and honey. and a third > deep super with 5 frames of mostly capped honey..I removed > the deep super and replaced it with shallow one. Now I > Have these deep frames to extract.. > > Thank you > > Carol Martin > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jkimbro@midtown.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:07:54 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <378931DA.7F10373F@midtown.net> References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:13:22 GMT X-Trace: 931738402.044.102 YIDHBSSGM6557CDA2C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19368 ........or http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/melter.html Not as simple as the other one,,but I've built a few of the things posted on Barry's site,,,all quality stuff Rhfjr81 wrote: > I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 > pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from > the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > Richard Flanagan From tedjordan@netscape.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.252.253!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon1.rdc-detw.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3787B5F5.8C5C6F2@mediaone.net> From: ted jordan Reply-To: tedjordan@netscape.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.bio.botany,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Bees/Wasps in Between Walls of House Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:01:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.30.25.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon1.rdc-detw.rr.com 931737693 24.30.25.211 (Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:151 sci.bio.botany:10158 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19369 Please respond to me directly as I don't read these groups often (really, at all)... We had critter control by last year and they were able to kill a wasp nest inside the roof of our home. Lately I've noticed about 4 groups of wasps that are invading the walls of our home, and it sounds like their nests are being built in between the walls of our home. In the morning I can see them flying into and out of aluminum sided areas of the home. So, I'd like to kill them and never see them again by NOT removing aluminum siding. I understand that destroying the nest is the best way to stop 'em, but that would mean detroying our house which I'd rather not do. Is there any other way? Are there any animals/bugs I can have around that would kill them? Can I get them to feed on a substance that would wipe out the colony? I've sprayed, but I'm sure u know that did about as much good as a cool shower. Any help appreciated...please respond directly. thanx ted jordan From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1999 00:39:05 GMT References: <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711203905.05316.00005368@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19370 Jared I've done a little further reading on this problem Apparently bees are very exacting in producing cells of honeycomb the angles are almost always the same. There are exceptions of cells being fashioned to fill in odd corners. It was even proposed by a French scientist (Reaumur) that man could do worse than adopt the cell of the hive as a standard measure. Knowing that bees are such exacting geometers. The beeman has to meet the challenge in designing the hive and monitoring the comb building as a geometer himself. Using top bar hives is like beekeeping on the edge and over. Al. From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:13:36 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mbj9f$4io$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> <3786A6E5.47B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.20.85 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931745903 4696 12.68.20.85 (12 Jul 1999 02:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 1999 02:18:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19371 Hi, I too have noticed a lot of Mimosa in bloom now. I tryed to watch for a while but did not see much activity. I DID see some bumble Bees on them and further out what might have been Honey bees. Will some one answer this post? Also, where I have my hives there are a lot of Sasafrass trees. Are these any good for necter or pollen? I'm not sure if they even flower. Thanks Gabe From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.abs.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sasafrass trees and Honey? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:15:34 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7mbj9g$4io$2@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.20.85 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931745904 4696 12.68.20.85 (12 Jul 1999 02:18:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 1999 02:18:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19372 Hello Group, I am a new Beekeeper with 2 hives. Where I have my hives there are a lot of Sasafrass trees. Are these any good for necter or pollen? I'm not sure if they even flower. I did notice also lots of Black Locust trees and my honey is a really light gold, very nice. Thanks in advance for any info. Thanks Gabe From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peer.news.verio.net.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Economics of Beekeeping Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:31:58 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7mbnds$qj0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3788EFAA.28596F8F@cgocable.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-89.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931750140 27232 209.130.165.89 (12 Jul 1999 03:29:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 1999 03:29:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19373 Peter Thoem wrote in message <3788EFAA.28596F8F@cgocable.net>... >Venturing into a big subject I pose the question---. >What are the economics of beekeeping? >I live in Southern Ontario where the winters are cold. The season for >bee activity is,as far as I can tell, May through mid-October. (Beekeeping works for individuals in as many ways as there are beekeepers...in other words, YMMV...) This seems to be our season, too...although we move our hives south for Nov. to May. We nuc and requeen in March and April and our bees are ready for action when they arrive home in late May - early April. >How many hives can a full timer handle? 1000-1500 colonies but it helps to have a swinger/bobcat/loader... >How much honey can you get per year from an established colony? 0 - 200 lbs. >How much honey would you get in a great year? 100-200 lbs/per colony >How much would you get in a poor year? (assuming the colony is healthy.) You could end up with 40 to 70 lbs. Keep in mind this is what is needed to keep the hive from starving during the winter months unless you plan on taking that honey and feeding back corn syrup. > >How much ($/per lb.) can you sell honey for? Present market is .55-.60 has been as high as low .90's a few years back. If you are going to market your own honey, figure you have jar costs, if you can identify a floral source of the honey you may get more for your honey. If you sell your honey to a packer, you deal with providing them samples and if they decide to buy your honey - they can be s - l - o - w in paying. >Is there money to be earned from the wax, or other by-products? Yes. We make additional income from our wax, propolis and we provide pollination services to area orchard and produce farmers. The more work you do yourself...from your own frame building, raising your own queens, moving hives for pollination, etc. etc will save $$$ but is all the more work. >That'll do for a starting point. >Any help will be appreciated. > You're welcome... --Busybee > > From slovacek@mailexcite.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Slovacek" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5> Subject: Re: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:13:01 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.150.72.132 Message-ID: <37895c6e.0@news.busprod.com> X-Trace: 12 Jul 1999 03:09:34 GMT, 207.150.72.132 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.154.138.15!news.busprod.com!207.150.72.132 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19374 Thanks Morris, Do you have a telephone number, I will give them a call. Thanks again, Mark Slovacek Morris Booton wrote in message <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5>... >Mark: >I live in MO and use Homan Mcmasters out of Mississippi. They have good bees >and >Queens. >MRB > >Mark Slovacek wrote: > >> I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the >> process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another >> bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees >> that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the >> pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark Slovacek. > From meboett@facstaff.wisc.edu Mon Jul 12 12:13:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.itis.com!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: meboett@facstaff.wisc.edu (Michael Boettcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bleaching Wax Date: 12 Jul 1999 12:51:01 GMT Organization: US Dairy Forage Res Ctr - Engineering Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: engr1.dfrc.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19375 Does anyone know how to bleach wax so its white? I want to make some liturgical (sp?) candles, and need to start with white wax. Thanks. Michael Boettcher From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Jul 13 14:01:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1999 15:24:18 GMT References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990712112418.11252.00013277@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19376 Personally, I prefer the normal golden color of capping wax to white, but, if it's a liturgical requirement, then you can't argue. You can bleach with hydrogen peroxide, but I've never been able to get white wax out of this. Putting the wax in a solar wax melter is the best way. All the bee equipment suppliers sell them, or you can make your own. I used one made >from a recycled window for some time. Of course you have to start with high quality wax at the beginning. Use only capping wax, with no scrapings or old comb in it. If it's bright or pale yellow, it's probably okay. If it has a grayish tint, it's never going to be white, no matter how much you process it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From booton@jobe.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: Morris Booton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: 12 Jul 1999 18:01:01 GMT Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7mdagt$hv$0@208.18.95.61> References: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5> <37895c6e.0@news.busprod.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.61 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19377 The number I use is 601 767 3880. They have another one but I've never had any luck with it. MRB Mark Slovacek wrote: > Thanks Morris, > > Do you have a telephone number, I will give them a call. > > Thanks again, > Mark Slovacek > > Morris Booton wrote in message <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5>... > >Mark: > >I live in MO and use Homan Mcmasters out of Mississippi. They have good > bees > >and > >Queens. > >MRB > > > >Mark Slovacek wrote: > > > >> I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the > >> process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another > >> bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees > >> that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the > >> pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark Slovacek. > > From hrogers000@my-deja.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers000@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:24:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7mdbsq$qij$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.74 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 12 18:24:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.74 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19378 Barry, it does sound like you might have one of the Foulbrood diseases. Since they respond pretty well to Terramycin, I suggest this if there is not much damage yet: (1) Feed Terramycin in sugar syrup even though the drug loses strength quickly when mixed with water. (2) mix Terramycin in powdered sugar and sprinkly it over the tops of the frames in each part of the hive which contains brood. If the colony is weak, add bees or combing with another colony if you can. You need a lot of bees to clean up the trouble. Good luck. Keep us posted as to the outcome. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ n article <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com>, Barry wrote: > I have 1 hive, about 1 month new with nukes, being my first time I have > been checking the hive regularly, giving the bees all the food they can > take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the > bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow > masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with > sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of > each affexted frame. What is this? disease? what is my next move? > I have done any medicating yet, any info would be helpful, I would hate > to loose my first hive, up till now I think they were doing well. > Portland, Oregon. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From carmen226@aol.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carmen226@aol.com (Carmen226) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capture Swarming Queen? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1999 20:36:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990712163617.25269.00010046@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19379 I'm new to this. Recently, a healthy hive swarmed and I didn't catch the new swarm. It settled in a nearby barn. The owner of the barn wants it removed. Is there a way of doing this without extermination? I'd prefer to recover this new hive. Carmen carmen226@aol.com From dvisrael@earthlink.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Test. hee-hee Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:09:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:13:05 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Jul 12 15:15:13 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust3.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19380 Test. How do you get rid of unneeded used bee equipment? Answer: Call Kevin Johnson and he'll pick it up and boil it in lye water. He came and got a truck load today and even tried to get me to give him a better deal. Sure hope it works out for him. Hee-hee. Don in NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:36:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7mdqgi$28aq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-63.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931818834 74074 209.130.165.63 (12 Jul 1999 22:33:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:33:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19381 Is there any odor? Foulbrood has a distinct odor. Have you noticed any of your bees carrying in pollen? Does it match the color of the cell contents? --Busybee Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >It might just be pollen, dude! I have seen single cells of pollen >of various colors and textures stored in scattered cells. > > >In article <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com>, bhaythorn@hotmail.com >says... >> but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow >> masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with >> sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of >> each affexted frame. >> From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 13 14:01:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:50:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7mdrfb$o6h$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> <7mdbsq$qij$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.arsenic.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931819819 24785 62.136.16.19 (12 Jul 1999 22:50:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 1999 22:50:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19382 I disagree! If these 'spots' are on the frames of sugar syrup then it is certainly not foulbrood. It sounds more like dysentry - but I would want to have a much better description or, better still, get an experienced local beekeeper to have a look. I would suggest getting a good book with pictures of various diseases before you start pumping drugs into your hives. Incidentally, why are you feeding so much sugar syrup ('all they can take'). Certainly feed a new colony if there is comb to be drawn and there is no flow, but you want honey in those combs - not sugar! hrogers000@my-deja.com wrote in message <7mdbsq$qij$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Barry, it does sound like you might have one of the Foulbrood diseases. > Since they respond pretty well to Terramycin, I suggest this if there >is not much damage yet: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >n article <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com>, > Barry wrote: giving the bees all the food they >can >> take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the >> bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow >> masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling >with >> sugar water (none capped yet) From hrogers000@my-deja.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers000@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need some help Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:10:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7mdsk1$25g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <378619BE.FC2E46E1@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.98 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 12 23:10:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.98 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19383 Tim, bees located in dense shade may be a little less active, especially in the early morning. Actually the bees don't care which way their front door is pointed. Locate them to your advantage. If you have a helpful, reliable beekeeper in your area it may be better to deal with him if he will also help you with suggestions based upon his experience in your area. Just don't expect him to teach you ALL about bees. Hit the books and journals and this board learn all you can. Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- In article <378619BE.FC2E46E1@bellsouth.net>, "Tim Rolan (KE4UZI)" wrote: > Hello I am interested in starting to keep bees with a friends help,but > have a few questions first..... > A friend of mine is a new beekeeper (approx. 1 1/2 years) , he was > telling me that I needed to place the hive in a north east direction > with afternoon shade.Where I live my lot has no shade in the afternoon > unless I put the hive facing my neigbors yard approx. 10 from a chain > link fence, if I put the hive in a less shaded area how will this affect > them?? > I was told it would be best to buy the hive,bees,and supplies > locally.Any suggestions on this or should I buy from a commercial > supplier? I have a catalog from Dadant and am thinking about buying > from them. > And last ; Does anyone know of any beekeepers in or around the > Montgomery,Alabama or any other suppliers that provide catalogs? > > Tim Rolan > trolan@bellsouth.net > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:28:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-58.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931832785 26930 209.130.165.58 (13 Jul 1999 02:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 02:26:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19384 May I ask a favor? I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to is it what you expected? Just curious and TIA, Busybee P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! From southbee@my-deja.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need some help Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:56:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7me9tg$6jg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <378619BE.FC2E46E1@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 13 02:56:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19385 Tim, I have kept bees for 3 yrs. Some of my family are sideline and commercial beekeepers. I place my hives facing s.e. so the morning sun will land on the bottom board and get the bees foraging as soon as possible. It would be good for you to get the American Bee Journal magazine which has many helpful articles. A good starter's book is First Lessons in Beekeeping. The bees do need some shade in the hot afternoon sun. If it gets too hot in the hive, you will see them sit on the front porch, so to speak, or swarm out before too long. Ten feet from a neighbor's fence is pretty close to put your hives. I make sure mine are in the center of our property, so as not to get too close to the neighbors. For shade, maybe you could plant or set tall container plants five feet or so to the west of the hive? It gets very hot here and adequate ventilation is very important. You need to do whatever you can to make them comfortable and stay. I provide mine with saucers of water within 5-30 feet. Dadant is a good supplier and is recommended by my bee inspector. If you are starting out small, as I have, Groeb's Farms has less expensive equipment. Groeb's is in Michigan and Florida. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From southbee@my-deja.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Capture Swarming Queen? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 03:05:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7meae1$6p8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990712163617.25269.00010046@ng-cm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 13 03:05:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.104 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19386 Carmen, If you're a beekeeper, be sure to wear your bee suit, veil and gloves. Take a spray bottle of 50/50 sugar water and spray the swarm gently. Take a hive box with several frames in it, bottom board and cover. If they are on a wall, brush them down into the hive box underneath and cover. They should fall into it from being sprayed. If you're not a beekeeper, the local extension office can probably find one in your area to catch the swarm. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jmitc1014@aol.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inspector Courtesy Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jul 1999 03:48:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19387 2 of my 7 hives were recently inspected by a bee inspector. He gave them a clean bill of health, listing one as strong and one as average. That's fine. I want to be able to see the inspector as a resource and an ally -- however, the inspector apparently didn't think much of the 9-frame brood chamber I had arranged in one of my hives (since this is my first season keeping bees, I'm trying different things). I had three deep supers with 9 frames in each (the bottom 2 supers all had drawn comb), and he rearranged them to put 10 in the bottom box, nine in the middle and 8 on top. Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a different management scheme than the one in place? I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves in the hive, more power to 'em. But I don't think it's right for him to subvert my perfectly legal management choice. We can all go round and round about what the best frame configuration is for hive bodies. Lord knows, this group did in the spring. And you and every one else may think my decision is wrong, but it's my hive to be wrong with, as long as I'm careful about diseases and everything else. The upshot -- or downshot -- is that I keep bees at 2 other locations that the bee inspector has no idea exists, and I'm not going to tell him or invite him to have a look around if he's going to be like that. I would value another beekeeper's expertise, but not if he's going to subvert the methods I'm trying to apply in my operation. JM From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspector Courtesy Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:48:31 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7mekr0$chn$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.212 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 931845792 12855 12.72.40.212 (13 Jul 1999 06:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 06:03:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19388 Why didn't you ask him why he did it? He could have had a sound management reason. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com... > 2 of my 7 hives were recently inspected by a bee inspector. He gave them a > clean bill of health, listing one as strong and one as average. > That's fine. I want to be able to see the inspector as a resource and an ally > -- however, the inspector apparently didn't think much of the 9-frame brood > chamber I had arranged in one of my hives (since this is my first season > keeping bees, I'm trying different things). > I had three deep supers with 9 frames in each (the bottom 2 supers all had > drawn comb), and he rearranged them to put 10 in the bottom box, nine in the > middle and 8 on top. > Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a > different management scheme than the one in place? > I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think > it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside > checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the > bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves > in the hive, more power to 'em. > But I don't think it's right for him to subvert my perfectly legal management > choice. We can all go round and round about what the best frame configuration > is for hive bodies. Lord knows, this group did in the spring. And you and every > one else may think my decision is wrong, but it's my hive to be wrong with, as > long as I'm careful about diseases and everything else. > The upshot -- or downshot -- is that I keep bees at 2 other locations that the > bee inspector has no idea exists, and I'm not going to tell him or invite him > to have a look around if he's going to be like that. I would value another > beekeeper's expertise, but not if he's going to subvert the methods I'm trying > to apply in my operation. > JM From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jul 1999 06:09:38 GMT References: <378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990713020938.20553.00004601@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19389 > Sure hope it works out for him. Hee-hee. > >Don made it home too ! thanks a heap Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:16:52 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7meli8$epn$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.212 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 931846536 15159 12.72.40.212 (13 Jul 1999 06:15:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 06:15:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19390 Ok, I'll respond but hope to see you answer your own post. When I was a junior in high school, I had a biology class and in the classroom was an observation hive. This was a public school long before we became a litigious society. Ok fine, it was 1973 and I was 16. I was hooked. For some reason that is not apparent to a 16 year-old, my mother and father made no objections when I disclosed to them that my woodworking project in the garage was the beehive I would be putting in the back yard come spring. My beekeeping has been interrupted on occasion by the practicalities of life such as college but I have enjoyed it as a hobby for over 25 years. I currently have 4 colonies going, 2 in our backyard and 2 at my wife's decorator's property (just like Martha Stewart). Of course this number does not include nuc's or other experiments I have going and it is getting increasingly difficult to convince my wife that these are not real hives. Is it what I expected? Yes for the most part but I find that it is recently occupying a great deal of my thoughts. I guess I am getting closer to retirement. Happy birthday Lydia! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there From Godfrey@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 13 14:01:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Godfrey Bartlett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do Bees Know You? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:27:22 +0100 Message-ID: <378AEA5A.B322A7E7@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 931850837 nnrp-14:4642 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19391 Hi All, As a complete newbie, could anyone enlighten me? It is said that bees that are used to having people around don't inspect people near the hive so much. They get used to having people around. So if you get a few inspections a week from the back-garden hive in summer, how do the other 50,000 bees know you're not a threat? Regards, Godfrey Bartlett (remove nospam from address for email) From another_better_way@hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net.MISMATCH!news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: another_better_way@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ACAD for Linux ... Message-ID: <507131999033112sforge@mcs.net> Lines: 14 Date: Mon,12 Jul 1999 19:40:14+2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.214.39.182 X-Trace: news.corecomm.net 931852152 216.214.39.182 (Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:49:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:49:12 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19392 Look at this web page to learn more about ACAD for Linux !!! http://209.218.86.64/linux.html If you know someone who can be interested in that please tell him or her about this web page. Thank you for your time. From shuston@riverace.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:54:46 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 31 Message-ID: <378B3716.376406CC@riverace.com> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kmFdYN3um/mRNV6lbhXcjVCbz4WXw80VHFIgRYvf8r4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 12:54:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19393 busybee wrote: > I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? My dad has kept bees for about 5 years. I learned about it so we'd have something to talk about. Then I liked it, so I decided to get some myself. The prospect of making some money from it doesn't hurt. > I'd like to know how many > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > is it what you expected? I have 2 hives, both started this year, in May. It's pretty much what I expected, but then again I hung around with my dad at his hives and went to a local bee school first, so I wasn't going in completely cold. Getting stung didn't hurt so much as I'd feared ;-) I've spent more time banging nails than I had planned on, but it gives me something to do ;-) > P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new > age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the > number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! Happy Birthday Lydia! -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From taylaw@digizen.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.usenetserver.com!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.105 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:28:38 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <378B30F6.3ACA685@digizen.net> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 931873180 66612 209.194.78.12 (13 Jul 1999 13:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 13:39:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19394 I don't think you're going to be able to get the golden color completely out of the beeswax. I think you'll have to add a white coloring (available at candle supply shops). If that's not an option, you can add chunks of white crayon until the desired color is achieved. I hate recommending this, because I feel it adulterates the purity of the wax candle. I noticed even the colored sheets of foundation the suppliers sell for making rolled candles have lost the feel and smell of the natural beeswax. Try convincing your church of the benefits of natural beeswax. Isn't it more in keeping with the purpose of the candle to use something pure and natural than something that has been adulterated by man to meet his own warped definition of purity? Michael Boettcher wrote: > Does anyone know how to bleach wax so its white? I want to make some > liturgical (sp?) candles, and need to start with white wax. > > Thanks. > > Michael Boettcher From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees Know You? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:09:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <378B489C.27A6@midwest.net> References: <378AEA5A.B322A7E7@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> <7mf5f9$25j2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.172 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:06:32 GMT X-Trace: 931874792.287.16 JF3D7GB4M04ACD1F8C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19395 A while back someone mentioned hanging a shirt in front of the hives, sort of scarecrow style, so the bees would become accustomed to the presence and movement (when the wind would move it). The claim was the bees would not react as much when a real person approached the area. AL busybee wrote: > > I believe the guard bees have the job of being the watch dogs of the hive. > That is their job...so you need to convince them that you are not a threat. > It is sort of like the national security system...they won't call out the > troops unless they need to do so. > > --Busybee > > Godfrey Bartlett wrote in message > <378AEA5A.B322A7E7@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk>... > >Hi All, > >As a complete newbie, could anyone enlighten me? > >It is said that bees that are used to having people around don't > >inspect people near the hive so much. They get used to having people > >around. > >So if you get a few inspections a week from the back-garden hive > >in summer, how do the other 50,000 bees know you're not a threat? > > > >Regards, > >Godfrey Bartlett > > > >(remove nospam from address for email) From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!novia!uunet!chi.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.usenetserver.com!news1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspector Courtesy Message-ID: <378b521e.1184663125@news.usenetserver.com> References: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:51:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: news1.usenetserver.com 931877415 207.91.44.54 (Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:50:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:50:15 EDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19396 You should also consider that maybe he was busy and pulled frames .. examined .. set asside some .. rebuilt and moved on without a whole lot of thought to any subversive plan On 13 Jul 1999 03:48:30 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >2 of my 7 hives were recently inspected by a bee inspector. He gave them a >clean bill of health, listing one as strong and one as average. >That's fine. I want to be able to see the inspector as a resource and an ally >-- however, the inspector apparently didn't think much of the 9-frame brood >chamber I had arranged in one of my hives (since this is my first season >keeping bees, I'm trying different things). >I had three deep supers with 9 frames in each (the bottom 2 supers all had >drawn comb), and he rearranged them to put 10 in the bottom box, nine in the >middle and 8 on top. >Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a >different management scheme than the one in place? >I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think >it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside >checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the >bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves >in the hive, more power to 'em. >But I don't think it's right for him to subvert my perfectly legal management >choice. We can all go round and round about what the best frame configuration >is for hive bodies. Lord knows, this group did in the spring. And you and every >one else may think my decision is wrong, but it's my hive to be wrong with, as >long as I'm careful about diseases and everything else. >The upshot -- or downshot -- is that I keep bees at 2 other locations that the >bee inspector has no idea exists, and I'm not going to tell him or invite him >to have a look around if he's going to be like that. I would value another >beekeeper's expertise, but not if he's going to subvert the methods I'm trying >to apply in my operation. >JM From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jul 13 14:01:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:42:22 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.134.153 X-Trace: 931877777 1NNUCNF1G8699C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19397 Michael Would it be unethical to use paraffin wax and not tell? Chris >Does anyone know how to bleach wax so its white? I want to make some > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jul 13 14:01:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees Know You? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:19:06 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7mfk2d$jef$1@gxsn.com> References: <378AEA5A.B322A7E7@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.134.153 X-Trace: 931877773 1NNUCNF1G8699C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19398 Godfrey When there is likely to be lots of people around then it is important that the bees have a calm stock so perhaps the beekeeper has made a point of re-queening with a good strain As to whether they get used to people I have a stock which seem to know me as soon as I get out of my car Perhaps I'll make a point of re-queening them soon Chris >.......They get used to having people>around. From n1vxs@juno.com Tue Jul 13 14:01:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <378B4EAD.A6F2641C@analogic.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:35:26 -0400 From: HDC Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones on ground Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.41.16 X-Trace: 13 Jul 1999 10:35:58 -0500, 204.178.41.16 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!chi.uu.net!alognews.analogic.com!204.178.41.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19399 I'm a second year beekeeper in Eastern Mass. The bees seem to be harvesting normally. Last night around dusk, I noticed about a dozen drones wandering around on the ground in front of a hive. They seemed listless, and I could not make them fly, even when I picked up one and dropped him. The workers were behaving normally. Does this indicate a problem? Or are these just old drones? It seems way too early for the annual massacre of drones. I do not see this happening in front of my other hive. From taylaw@digizen.net Tue Jul 13 14:01:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ60!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.usenetserver.com!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.105 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspector Courtesy Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:43:41 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <378B347C.7362F6E0@digizen.net> References: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 931874568 19474 209.194.78.12 (13 Jul 1999 14:02:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 14:02:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19400 As a government official, the role of the inspector is, I believe, to protect the public from problems associated with your bees, to protect agriculture from problems associated with your bees (e.g., disease) and, I suppose, to protect your bees from cruelty or abuse. An ancillary role is to educate. That being the case, I agree with you that the inspector should have recommended using ten-frame brood boxes and explained the reason for his recommendation, but should not have imposed that preference on you without your permission. Unfortunately, inspectors (of all types) are perhaps by definition know-it-alls. Complaining probably would cause more harm than good in terms of your future relationship with him and his office. If you don't like what he did, put it back the way it was. P.S. - I've always heard that you should use 10 frame brood boxes, even if you want to use fewer frames in your honey supers. P.P.S. - ...... but I'm not going to come over and change yours.... JMitc1014 wrote: > 2 of my 7 hives were recently inspected by a bee inspector. He gave them a > clean bill of health, listing one as strong and one as average. > That's fine. I want to be able to see the inspector as a resource and an ally > -- however, the inspector apparently didn't think much of the 9-frame brood > chamber I had arranged in one of my hives (since this is my first season > keeping bees, I'm trying different things). > I had three deep supers with 9 frames in each (the bottom 2 supers all had > drawn comb), and he rearranged them to put 10 in the bottom box, nine in the > middle and 8 on top. > Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a > different management scheme than the one in place? > I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think > it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside > checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the > bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves > in the hive, more power to 'em. > But I don't think it's right for him to subvert my perfectly legal management > choice. We can all go round and round about what the best frame configuration > is for hive bodies. Lord knows, this group did in the spring. And you and every > one else may think my decision is wrong, but it's my hive to be wrong with, as > long as I'm careful about diseases and everything else. > The upshot -- or downshot -- is that I keep bees at 2 other locations that the > bee inspector has no idea exists, and I'm not going to tell him or invite him > to have a look around if he's going to be like that. I would value another > beekeeper's expertise, but not if he's going to subvert the methods I'm trying > to apply in my operation. > JM From hensler@povn.com Sun Jul 18 05:33:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378C1862.49A6@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:56:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.122 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931928099 206.107.251.122 (Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:54:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:54:59 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19420 Jajwuth wrote: > It may be the case that a problem bear who does property damage can be legally > shot.> And it is also possible that you could be on the receiving end of a hefty fine for doing so, depending on where you reside. Please keep in mind that this is a world-wide forum and what applies in your part of the world - even assuming you actually know what you are talking about - very well may not apply everywhere, or even *any* where else. A case in point. When we moved to our present location 15 or so years ago and I knew we were in bear country I called our local Fish & Game office to see what my options were if I were to have a bear raid on my bee yard. When I asked the officer if I could shoot a bear out of season and/or without a license if it was posing a threat he replied "Well, yes you can, but you had better have claw marks on your butte if you do." One size doesn't always fit all... :-) not sure the fish and game people are being of service. Sometimes the fish and > game guys just get in the way and entangle you in red tape..> While trying real hard not to over-react to your comments on a subject that you admit your sum total of experience with is from text books, I might also add that it is entirely possible that the F&G guy just *might* know a tad bit more about bear behavior than you do... Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From hensler@povn.com Sun Jul 18 05:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378C151D.423C@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:05 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.122 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931928060 206.107.251.122 (Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:54:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:54:20 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19421 Bill Greenrose wrote: > well, it happened, that which i feared most. last night a bear raided > one of my hives. > if anyone has any experience with these items or has other > recommendations, i'd love to hear about them. Yo Bill: I would recommend that you check out Premier, 2031 300th St., Washington, IA 52353 800-282-6631 e-mail premier@se-iowa.net. I don't think they have a home page. Order their fencing catalog, it's the best I have ever seen. My complements on your letter to the govenor complimenting your local Fish & Game guy. A couple of ours are hunting buddies of mine; I know your local mileage will vary, but for the most part they are dedicated people and they can use all the help they can get. Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:52:00 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.94 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 931931443 29208 12.72.203.94 (14 Jul 1999 05:50:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 05:50:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19422 A1, Many of your posts have a bend toward what you perceive as "more natural" methods of beekeeping and purer products from the hive. Now you are advocating destroying a bear for being bear. I am having a hard time reconciling this contradiction..We are talking about an insignificant loss to a hobbyist, certainly not worth a bears life. Your kind of reaction is one reason we no longer have grizzly bears in California. Bill lives in the country. I am sure he has accepted that along with the positive, he must also accept the negative (from a human standpoint). He has had 1 bear attack in 3 years so you can't condemn this bear as a problem bear. If the bear becomes a problem, why not relocate it? I suppose when you finally get your bees you will be destroying them the first time a neighbor gets stung. Will you be using a natural method or opt for the chemical approach? Perhaps you should read less and experience more. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com... > It may be the case that a problem bear who does property damage can be legally > shot. By supplying the fence and not offering the preceding alternative, I'm > not sure the fish and game people are being of service. Sometimes the fish and > game guys just get in the way and entangle you in red tape.. From 103171.3462@compuserve.com Sun Jul 18 05:33:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <378C2EA5.C1C73D81@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:31:01 -0700 From: james sweeney <103171.3462@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!arl-news-svc-4.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-8.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naac.compuserve.com Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19424 Richard, I just use an old (electric) crockpot which I got at a garage sale for $1.00. I think you can get them new for about $15. I put the wax in a clean coffee can, set it inside the crockpot and let it run overnight, then strain the wax through a tea strainer into a mold. Works good, its cheap and very reliable. Not very elegant, though. Sincerely, Jim Sweeney Fairbanks, AK Rhfjr81 wrote: > I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 > pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from > the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > Richard Flanagan From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Sun Jul 18 05:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Virgin Queens Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7U%i3.21$Xy.14284@ratbert.tds.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:02:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.198 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 931957379 208.170.81.198 (Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:02:59 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:02:59 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19425 Bee Friends, Recently one of my hives swarmed during the onslaught of a very high wind storm here in NH. I think they just chose the wrong time, we had trees bowled over and power outages, it was a mess I knew I had super/swarm cells a week before. I took these cells out, located in the middle of the deep frames, not on the bottom edges. Talked to a couple beekeepers, got the "gonna swarm" possibilities. Well they did. Right during 30-70 mph winds. WOW what a sight. After the storm they clustered low. I snipped, hived and all is well. Added a feeder, in a dearth right now, and the swarm hive is building well. Now the hive she swarmed from is two deeps (chock full- bees,honey, a bit of brood) and a medium with no build. I went back through for queen cells. Oh boy, queens all over the place. So I systematically went through and boxed one virgin in a shoe box. Then went after the others with needle nose pliers, what a butcher. I killed off 6 hatched and two unhatched. I figure I might have missed one. I added back the boxed virgin. put the mess back together. I watched the hive that day, noticed a bit of fighting workers dragging each other out, Robbers,Drifters? And then a virgin queen came out and up the side and snuck back in. Within a half hour she reappeared out the side, may have been followed or chased by two workers, and flew off at about three feet high, fifteen feet behind and north of the hive. Watched her return within a 1/2 minute, never losing sight of her. The question is Will The virgin make good? Or should I have just wiped her out and introduced a new Buck or NWC? I figured alittle of let nature do it without the secondary swarms would be good, any thoughts, ideas, past experience will be greatly appreciated. Damon Sunapee NH From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not a good thing... Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:18:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mi2gq$ra6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-72.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931958106 27974 209.130.165.72 (14 Jul 1999 13:15:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 13:15:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19426 About 2 weeks ago, we re-captured a swarming colony from one of our home yard hives--caught it as it was just preparing to leave. I banged a tin pie plate which brought the bees down to a nearby bush. After hiving them they are at home where they came down...all doing fine! Making honey to beat the band, MUCH brood and eggs and very gentle...Duane worked them with no gloves (which he usually does) and no veil and short sleeves. He decided this would be an excellent breeder queen BUT he couldn't find her! So he started to put the hive back together...and there she was squished dead. She must have been along bottom side of the frame when he set the super down on the cover. I only mention this as a reason that is why we try not to go into the hives so often... --Busybee From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Sun Jul 18 05:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <378C151D.423C@povn.com> Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7W_i3.3$Xy.12743@ratbert.tds.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:56:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 931953411 208.170.81.131 (Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:56:51 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:56:51 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19427 > Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > well, it happened, that which i feared most. last night a bear raided > > one of my hives. > > Bill and All, A fellow newbie set up two hives, not more than a 1/2 hour from Bill in New London. Month ago His pigs etc were making a squawk in the evening. He checked it out , nothing but the electric fence on the piggies tampered with. Next morning 5AM He came around the corner of what is best described as an apartment building in a large clearing bordered by lowlands (Swampy!) and surprise There be a bear, and both hives knocked about. E-fenced with a solar unit. He took a shot as the big guy scampered away. He called FnG, they came investigated and was told yep they had a problem bear that had been relocated from up north and if he came back he can take him out. Now its 11 am, the dude heads back to the garden, rounds the corner, 15 feet away leaning up against the building is the bear having himself a slurppy good time. These hives are 10 feet from the building, and now destroyed. Grabs the rifle and pops him. Called FnG back, the bear has a tag on him, and is the relocated problem bear. State of NH pays for all new bees, equip.., and fence. The great white hunter that he is, My buddy butchers the bear and is having the 5'6" 200+ lb. stuffed licking a frame with a bees on his nose and a boot up his butt! In any case if the bees are fenced, i.e reasonable precautions taken, it seems NH will reimburse the beekeeper. Myself I noticed something amiss at one of my hives at the base of Mt Sunapee. Thinking about this for the day I decided it was time to fence. this hive is located at my shop so no big deal to rig 110v fence. Two days later, I check in every morning before opening the shop, it stinks awful.....skunk! So the fence works! Take heart Bill, you may be able to assemble some order for those girls and move on. Damon Sunapee NH From honeybs@radix.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspector Courtesy Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:58:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7mhvgd$cbp$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19428 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a >different management scheme than the one in place? >I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think >it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside >checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the >bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves >in the hive, more power to 'em. >JM Having been a bee inspector I always tried to leave each hive exactly as I found it, including the position of every stinking brick on the tops. I didn't even believe in writting on the hives. If you are dissatisfied, request that you be called and notified as to when he is going to enter your property for hive inspections when you register them. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:33:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:07:45 GMT References: <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990714100745.28274.00000024@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19429 I agree maybe they should try to relocate the bear. It wouldn't be me who shoots the bear. I would have a reasonable bear deterrant prior to commencing beekeeping in bear country. I f you read my post I also advocated deck or caged enclosure. This may be a considerable expense to a hobbyist but it may be better. I've made a number of postings about bears and beekeeping. I like bears even though 5 people have been killed by predator black bears in the vicinity of my country property. I know in this case it is not a predator black bear. I'm quite wary of them and I wouldn't leave garbage etc out to attract them. You can't blame a bear for being attracted to hundreds of lbs of honey. It may now associate people with food. The bear may now be doomed. It's a sad sad situation. Perhaps Bill's problem was caused by keeping bees in bear country without a deterrant in the first place. Maybe there should be regulations , fines etc. about that. You don't have to know much about bear behaviour to know that it will be back. They say also a determined bear will go through the fence. Also for the record: I agree with Sue Hubble it shows lack of respect to gas bees rather than overwintering them. Al Al From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: boiled honey Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:23:01 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <378C9D45.3615BCBF@worldnet.att.net> References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> <00c801bec4ac$f1480300$02000003@allend> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931962159 12166 12.72.192.71 (14 Jul 1999 14:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:22:39 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19430 Yes, indeed, the sugar in honey should be a good stimulant for the bacteria necessary for a well-functioning septic system. The only possible problem might be clogging a drain with the honey's viscosity or if it is partly crystalized. Dilution with water would help this. Honey would also be beneficial to a large compost pile. To avoid attracting bees to it, though, it should be confined to the center of the pile. Allen Dick wrote: > > > The result is an incredible mess. The honey is black. Can it > > be fed back to the bees? If not, what is the best way of disposing of > > it? I live in the country and do not want to put it into my septic > > system. > > Honey is good for the septic tank. I have on occasion put hundreds of > pounds at a time into mine with no ill effects. It is very digestible. > > allen From sweiland@debitel.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:48:33 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7mhf72$ned$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsdn-m187-1.pool.mediaways.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19431 Hi, everyone a friend of mine is a painter in Spain. She is painting with the technique "Encaustic", which means, she is painting with melted, often coloured beeswax. But before colouring, she is bleaching the wax in the sun, making very thin pieces of the wax with a spoon and hanging it into the sun. Soon I will provide you with some pics for a better understanding... It is not necessary to colour it white!!! Stefan, Joachim Weiland Werkzeugbau http://home.t-online.de/home/weiland.wzb/index.htm Michael Boettcher schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: 7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu... > Does anyone know how to bleach wax so its white? I want to make some > liturgical (sp?) candles, and need to start with white wax. > > Thanks. > > Michael Boettcher > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Faecal attraction Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:32:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <378C9F7C.ED14D47C@worldnet.att.net> References: <37784C3E.56330966@sympatico.ca> <00c801bec4ac$f1480300$02000003@allend> <377D2CEB.842@midwest.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931962726 12166 12.72.192.71 (14 Jul 1999 14:32:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:32:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19432 I am still trying to understand why bees are interested in manures. My compost pile is fueled with sterilized steer manure, and there are often bees buzzing around it. The other day, I planted some lilacs that had been mulched with rotted horse manure, and the bees were fascinated with this, also. A related question is what kind of contamination happens when bees come in contact with manure, then go home to crawl around on honey combs? AL wrote: > > Allen Dick wrote: > > > Honey is good for the septic tank. I have on occasion put hundreds of > > pounds at a time into mine with no ill effects. It is very digestible. > > > > allen > > Seems to tie right in with having the honey wagon come by to pump out a > malfunctioning septic tank - least'n thats what its called in poe-lite > circles 'round here. > > AL From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:33:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:44:07 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <378CA237.7DF0E21E@worldnet.att.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931963422 12166 12.72.192.71 (14 Jul 1999 14:43:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:43:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19433 Fair is fair, and Martha has her good points. With all due respect to Julia, Martha is also a far more attractive woman physically. dewitt wrote: > > (Probably actually done by one of her > > many "assistants". > > > Yes but she hired the assistant didn't she? Isn't that the sign of a good > manager " hiring people with ideas and abilities that surpass there own" and > then letting them run with their Ideas. After 5 years of taping her shows > and reading her magazine I have never seen her not give someone the credit > for their work. I can't say that about my boss who I've only known six > months. > > On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's > show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . > Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. > > Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? > > Cliff From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen fecundation and scientific studies. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:47:06 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <378d9f2b.6224717@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7klfa3$ado$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7kr7d3$nbq$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.70 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:12:58 GMT X-Trace: 931965178.913.29 KRFRRPH9I9846CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19434 Hi, Some people are just too crabby to write to us . Ken . On 23 Jun 1999 18:01:07 -0000, adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <7klfa3$ado$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: >>I have various questions about queen fecundation, natural and >>artificial (so-called instrumental insemination) and would appreciate >>pointers on the subject. > > >Hi. >I have to go crabbing at the Chesapeake bay with my kids, however on return >I'll fill reply to some of your queries :) > >Adam From tceisele@mtu.edu Sun Jul 18 05:34:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: 14 Jul 1999 14:36:16 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7mi790$kam$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990714100745.28274.00000024@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19435 Jajwuth wrote: : I agree maybe they should try to relocate the bear. It wouldn't be me who : shoots the bear. I would have a reasonable bear deterrant prior to commencing : beekeeping in bear country. If you read my post I also advocated deck or caged : enclosure. This may be a considerable expense to a hobbyist but it may be : better. For what it's worth, everything I've read says that depending on a pure mechanical barrier isn't reliable (unless you go to something on the level of the bear enclosures in zoos, or a platform up on top of your house). One of the books I have shows this extremely heavy-duty "anti-bear" enclosure, that was made of solid wooden beams and concrete-reinforcement-grade steel rod mesh, that looked like it would stop a truck. The note below the photograph says that it didn't work! The problem is apparently that, if the enclosure doesn't do something active (like an electric shock) to deter the bear, he'll just sit down and methodically take it apart. Like the other beekeepers in my general area, I've opted for a multi-strand electric fence to keep bears out. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:01:16 GMT References: <7mi790$kam$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990714130116.28274.00000082@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19436 Timothy C. Eisele writes: >For what it's worth, everything I've read says that depending on a pure >mechanical barrier isn't reliable (unless you go to something on the >level of the bear enclosures in zoos, or a platform up on top of your >house). One of the books I have shows this extremely heavy-duty >"anti-bear" enclosure, that was made of solid wooden beams and >concrete-reinforcement-grade steel rod mesh, that looked like it would >stop a truck. The note below the photograph says that it didn't work! >The problem is apparently that, if the enclosure doesn't do something >active (like an electric shock) to deter the bear, he'll just sit down >and methodically take it apart. > The deck would be sitting on metal poles with at least a three foot overhang. Also armour would be on the edges. The caged enclosure would be built on the premise that if you can cage a bear in then you can cage the him out. or Top bar hives can be hoisted out of reach like a food cache Then lowered to work on. Fences require regular monitoring and maintenance. Hopefully the bear will bite the bacon. Al From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Sun Jul 18 05:34:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:54:32 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <378CC0C8.4007322B@lambton.on.ca> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> <378CA237.7DF0E21E@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19437 I currently subscribe to a poultry newsgroup, and noticed recently Martha Stewart's 'expertise' in matters of poultry has been a matter of discussion there too. LOL "Hasta B. Shasta" wrote: > Fair is fair, and Martha has her good points. With all due respect to > Julia, Martha is also a far more attractive woman physically. > > dewitt wrote: > > > > (Probably actually done by one of her > > > many "assistants". > > > > > Yes but she hired the assistant didn't she? Isn't that the sign of a good > > manager " hiring people with ideas and abilities that surpass there own" and > > then letting them run with their Ideas. After 5 years of taping her shows > > and reading her magazine I have never seen her not give someone the credit > > for their work. I can't say that about my boss who I've only known six > > months. > > > > On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's > > show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . > > Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. > > > > Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? > > > > Cliff From eric.faucon@infonie.fr Sun Jul 18 05:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tvd.be!isdnet!dt-cegetel!starship!not-for-mail From: "eric.faucon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hives loader Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:16 +0200 Organization: Infonie Lines: 5 Message-ID: <931943449.32614@news2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.5.11 X-Trace: starship.infonie.fr 931943082 27523 10.1.5.11 (14 Jul 1999 09:04:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infonie.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 09:04:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news2!unknown@195.242.114.203 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19438 I'm searching for a system to load easy my hives. Can you help me if you know some sites of companies which are selling hive loaders. Thank you in adavnce From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Jul 18 05:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not a good thing... Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:42:07 GMT References: <7mi2gq$ra6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990714134207.20175.00000145@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19439 From: "busybee" >He decided this would be an excellent breeder queen BUT he >couldn't find her! So he started to put the hive back together...and there >she was squished dead. She must have been along bottom side of the frame >when he set the super down on the cover. > >I only mention this as a reason that is why we try not to go into the hives >so often... It's a good idea to keep a spare bottom board around to set supers on. this gives a little clearance and reduces the chance of this type of accident. A feeder rim or emtpy shallow hull can substitute. Lacking these, I generally stand the supers on end, rather than set them flat. I won't ever set a super flat on the ground, either, and helpers who do, will get into deep doo doo. I don't like pine straw, grass, and sand adhering to the bottom of my frames. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:54:43 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 64 Message-ID: <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931974850 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 17:54:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:54:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19440 On the issue of relocation of problem wildlife. A couple of months ago, either a skunk or a raccoon attacked five of my hives. Approximately twenty frames with foundation were a complete loss, three queens were lost, and the remaining two colonies are thriving despite the damage. The second night after the attack, the marauder returned, but hive staples and bungee cords prevented any access to the bees, although one hive did get turned upside down. Since then, I have kept a large live trap in the bee yard. Right after the two attacks, a very large skunk was trapped. I shot and buried it. Sixty percent of wild skunks in California carry rabies. Over the next two months, I've caught two raccoons, which have been driven down the road a ways and released. Last week I called the California Forest Service to find out if there are better or worse areas to release such trapped animals. I was advised to kill all trapped animals rather than relocating. The first reason given was that my problem animals might become someone else's problem animal. The second reason is that my trapped animal could be carrying pests or diseases which might be introduced to other animal populations. The first reason does not apply to my situation which is extremely rural, and my release sites have been miles from human habitation. I am undecided yet on the disease issue, but also very reluctant to kill apparently healthy raccoons. Anyone in a similar situation should bear in mind that some animals are considered game and others vermin. While vermin can generally be killed without license or penalty, game animals are subject to many different rules, some species specific. George Styer wrote: > > A1, > > Many of your posts have a bend toward what you perceive as "more natural" > methods of beekeeping and purer products from the hive. Now you are > advocating destroying a bear for being bear. I am having a hard time > reconciling this contradiction..We are talking about an insignificant loss > to a hobbyist, certainly not worth a bears life. Your kind of reaction is > one reason we no longer have grizzly bears in California. > > Bill lives in the country. I am sure he has accepted that along with the > positive, he must also accept the negative (from a human standpoint). He has > had 1 bear attack in 3 years so you can't condemn this bear as a problem > bear. If the bear becomes a problem, why not relocate it? > > I suppose when you finally get your bees you will be destroying them the > first time a neighbor gets stung. Will you be using a natural method or opt > for the chemical approach? > > Perhaps you should read less and experience more. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > Jajwuth wrote in message > news:19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com... > > > It may be the case that a problem bear who does property damage can be > legally > > shot. By supplying the fence and not offering the preceding alternative, > I'm > > not sure the fish and game people are being of service. Sometimes the fish > and > > game guys just get in the way and entangle you in red tape.. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:23:31 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <378CD5A3.6CD4716C@worldnet.att.net> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931976571 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 18:22:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 18:22:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19441 God would wax wroth. Christopher Dainton wrote: > > Michael > Would it be unethical to use paraffin wax and not tell? > Chris > > >Does anyone know how to bleach wax so its white? I want to make some > > From sagehill@my-deja.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hive Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:47:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7mieu8$lcl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 14 16:47:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19442 Last night I was given a hive with the following history: - the bees "disappeared" a month ago. The owner unstacked the supers and left them on the ground (not on the bottom board). - a few days later the bees "reappeared". - the hive consists of 2 deeps, 2 dadants, and 2 shallows - some empty, some with honey (this year and last years). The frames haven't been checked for two years, so were "glued" in the supers. I didn't find any brood in the dadants or the shallows, so am hoping I to find brood in the deeps tonite. - I left the bottom board behind since it was in poor condition and full of DEAD bees. (this hive was not checked for 2 years.) The mite just arrived in this area last year, so the owner has never used apistan, formic acid etc. I am guessing the original colony died and a swarm moved in. My plan tonite is to remove any honey frames, find the brood and use apistan strips for a 24 hour "sticky board" test for mites. Am undecided about what to do with the honey. (what are my options?) This is my first year as a beekeeper - any suggestions? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:44:18 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <378CDA81.AC2C3F4D@worldnet.att.net> References: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990711133701.17959.00005679@ngol01.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931977816 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 18:43:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 18:43:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19443 When you are a virtual beekeeper, you're allowed to keep as many bees per hive as you want. Jajwuth wrote: > > I have no reason to disbelieve it. The mammoth hive in the tree might be a > conglomerate of a number of hives. > > Another dude by the name of Dr. Jaromir Rasin built a minature concrete palace, > surmounted by a cupola, in which lived more than 7,000,000 bees. That would be > equivalent of how many LHs? (140). > He kept the bees mainly to study them and record his observations. > > cheers > Al From seby@physio-control.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: Scott Eby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:43:07 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 31 Message-ID: <378CDA3B.D5E4D8F2@physio-control.com> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.126.101.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 931977791 .MYBPHMNN6512CF7EC usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en X-IProxy-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.31.209.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19444 A friend and I have been talking about beekeeping for several years. Last spring, my wife came home and discovered two hive bodies, a smoker, a top, an inner cover, a bottom board and twenty wired frames on our front porch. My friend called later and told us that the bees would be delivered on or about April 15th and would we paint and setup the hive? Beekeeping has been so much fun that I started another package this spring and now have two hives. It is pretty much what I expected, in terms of the work involved. I have been doing a lot of reading over the past year. :) I never expected it to be so much fun! Scott Eby Kenmore, WA busybee wrote: > May I ask a favor? > > I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > is it what you expected? > > Just curious and TIA, > Busybee > > P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new > age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the > number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:22:56 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <7mhror$g2u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-39.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931951195 16478 209.130.165.39 (14 Jul 1999 11:19:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 11:19:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19445 Great posts everyone! Thanks for responding to my request. Since I was first attracted to my beekeeper and not the bees (hehe) and since he grew up in a beekeeping family, I am always curious to how and when some people get this "strange" notion to start beekeeping. After 6 years of being married to my bee-nut, I realize now that I not only married him, I married the bees too! Not complaining though. I gave up a full time 8-5 desk job, good pay and benefits...because of the demanding workload with our honeybees. Can't figure it out...I used to think I was tired when I came home from work where all I did was sit in air conditioned comfort, answer phones and push a pencil! Since leaving my work, we have made numerous changes with the bees. Besides increasing our colonies from 700 to close to 2000, we've become migratory. Last year, we retired the old honey house used at his parents farm and built a new one here on our property - (_we_ ...not a contractor or builder...) started building ground up, the new honey house (40 x 60 steel with a 20 x 40 radiant floor heated hot room) in May and by August 10th started extracting. We did it but divorce papers had crossed my mind a few times. I keep thinking that we are either crazy or we are crazy. I am going to agree with Mr. Greenhouse that I never would have imagined how "labor intensive, frustrating, expensive, satisfying, amazing, enjoyable" (I'm going to leave out exhilarating and maybe add exhausting...) than I ever imagined ;-) Am I a better person for keeping bees? I don't know for sure but I know I have changed considerably. Somethings don't matter to me as much as it once did...somethings matter more to me now. I've learned to really appreciate the honeybee and how dependant our lives are (speaking as a member of the human race) on their very existance! Do I eat more honey? Heck ya'... and might be eating a whole lot more if prices don't start a rebound soon ;-) Thanks everyone! Hugs and stings to you... --Busybee PS. Thanks also for all the nice birthday wishes to Lydia - she was thrilled that she was mentioned in your posts. :-) busybee wrote in message <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >May I ask a favor? > >I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who >decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many >hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to >is it what you expected? > >Just curious and TIA, >Busybee > >P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new >age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the >number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! > > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bees Know You? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <378CD0B6.73839BC4@worldnet.att.net> References: <378AEA5A.B322A7E7@nospamqichina.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931975312 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 18:01:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 18:01:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19446 After a while, you begin to smell like your bees. Even when away from home, local bees come to investigate me, even while ignoring other people who may be about. Godfrey Bartlett wrote: > > Hi All, > As a complete newbie, could anyone enlighten me? > It is said that bees that are used to having people around don't > inspect people near the hive so much. They get used to having people > around. > So if you get a few inspections a week from the back-garden hive > in summer, how do the other 50,000 bees know you're not a threat? > > Regards, > Godfrey Bartlett > > (remove nospam from address for email) From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inspector Courtesy Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:08:42 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <378CD22A.9230EFDA@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990712234830.28943.00001878@ng-fm1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931975684 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 18:08:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 18:08:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19447 Is it really so hard to put the frames back the way you had them? Besides, if you ever get prosecuted in court, you could always claim that were framed. JMitc1014 wrote: > > 2 of my 7 hives were recently inspected by a bee inspector. He gave them a > clean bill of health, listing one as strong and one as average. > That's fine. I want to be able to see the inspector as a resource and an ally > -- however, the inspector apparently didn't think much of the 9-frame brood > chamber I had arranged in one of my hives (since this is my first season > keeping bees, I'm trying different things). > I had three deep supers with 9 frames in each (the bottom 2 supers all had > drawn comb), and he rearranged them to put 10 in the bottom box, nine in the > middle and 8 on top. > Now just who does he think he is to come out there and unilaterally apply a > different management scheme than the one in place? > I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee inspector? I think > it's great that there are men and women out there roaming the countryside > checking bee hives for disease and leaving informative pamphlets. And if the > bee inspector wants to write a management recommendation on the slip he leaves > in the hive, more power to 'em. > But I don't think it's right for him to subvert my perfectly legal management > choice. We can all go round and round about what the best frame configuration > is for hive bodies. Lord knows, this group did in the spring. And you and every > one else may think my decision is wrong, but it's my hive to be wrong with, as > long as I'm careful about diseases and everything else. > The upshot -- or downshot -- is that I keep bees at 2 other locations that the > bee inspector has no idea exists, and I'm not going to tell him or invite him > to have a look around if he's going to be like that. I would value another > beekeeper's expertise, but not if he's going to subvert the methods I'm trying > to apply in my operation. > JM From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:06:09 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <378CDFA1.B11FB825@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931979126 2764 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 19:05:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 19:05:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19448 You will be thrilled to know that bricks can be used with TB hives, too, except, of course, in that case you put the brick UNDER the hive instead of on the top. Jajwuth wrote: > > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > > Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or > has been done to the hive. > > Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to > all beekeepers that practise it? > > Al From ksreed@earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Kevin Reed Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in the Horse Water Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:47:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 14 Jul 1999 19:49:18 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jul 14 12:55:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ksreed@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool003-max14.ds19-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <378CE94A.42167D9C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19449 It's getting hot on the mountain and the bees from my three colonies are filling up the waterers of the horse corrals nearby (including my own). It's not much of a problem for me (my water is in a larger tub, though it seems to be drowning the bees), but two other waterers are of the small-bowl variety. The horses are a bit spooked about sticking their snouts into bee soup, and one less-than-fully-alert horseperson stuck her hand in the waterer and came up stung. Other than make sure I'm generous in giving honey to all the horse owners (and other stingees who visit the corral), does anyone have any advice about what I can do? Is there a way to discourage bees from congregating in these smaller bowl feeders? Should I just give up and let nature figure out who controls water between a horse and a bee? -Kevin From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:01:05 GMT References: <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990714160105.06184.00000105@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19450 , "Hasta B. Shasta" writes: >A couple of months ago, >either a skunk or a raccoon attacked five of my hives. Sounds like the old fable where the monkey eats the farmers grain and puts the pail around the donkey's neck. The farmer comes in and beats the poor donkey. Skunks scratch at the entrance of the hive and as the bees come out to investigate he gobbles them up.As more bees come out he is forced to squash them and roll them into a ball , which he then eats. Signs of skunk are scatches and mud on the front of hive. Also there will be a small area that is polished smooth from the rolling and mashing action. >From the damage you describe it does not sound like a skunk. Al From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:35:54 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7mioph$ql5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19990711133701.17959.00005679@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.14 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931980913 27301 12.72.45.14 (14 Jul 1999 19:35:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 19:35:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19451 Is the claim that these 7m bees are a single colony? If so, then make the 2 following assumptions and do the math: Queen lays 2000 eggs/day every day No mortality (I know, a wild assumption) 7,000,000 / 2000 = 3500 days / 365 ~ 9.6 years to reach this population -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990711133701.17959.00005679@ngol01.aol.com... > I have no reason to disbelieve it. The mammoth hive in the tree might be a > conglomerate of a number of hives. > > Another dude by the name of Dr. Jaromir Rasin built a minature concrete palace, > surmounted by a cupola, in which lived more than 7,000,000 bees. That would be > equivalent of how many LHs? (140). > He kept the bees mainly to study them and record his observations. > > cheers > Al From lithar@midwest.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OTS - Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:20:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <378CE30E.4AA9@midwest.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.57 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:37:12 GMT X-Trace: 931981032.320.27 JF3D7GB4M1C39D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19452 Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > Anyone in a similar situation should bear > in mind that some animals are considered game and others vermin. While > vermin can generally be killed without license or penalty, game animals > are subject to many different rules, some species specific. > > George Styer wrote: This is a bit off the subject, but you should hear the rules WA has about road kill porcupines - now there's a puzzler.... AL From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Michigan Wax Wanted Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:22:47 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <378CF197.FC50D26F@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990707131701.07916.00007992@ng-cg1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 931983720 17105 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 20:22:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:22:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19453 What is local, by your definition? Kassy68 wrote: > > Im looking to buy beeswax locally,,,, to cut down on shipping charges,,, > also looking for semi refined..... no wings wanted,,,,but i do however what the > smell and color of the nice tan wax..... please email if you can > help....thanks...kim > kassy68@aol.com From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:11:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <378CEEF0.529C8CFA@worldnet.att.net> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m5pd6$3lf$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 931983047 17105 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 20:10:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:10:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19454 When I installed packages this spring, some queens got marked, some didn't. Last week, while inspecting a hive, I found an unmarked queen calmly laying eggs. I replaced the frame and went up to the house to get the marking paint. Back at the hive, I pulled the frame out again, but the first queen I found was a marked one, calmly laying eggs. A second look revealed the daughter queen--I'd guess Limeys would call her a princess, no?--still calmly laying eggs about four inches away. I painted her and gave her a home of her own, and we'll see if she can pay the rent. . . . from sepersedere-to be superior to, or, literally, to be the one on top at the end of the fight. Peter Edwards wrote: > > Interesting word. Supersedure from supersedere - to be superior to - but > supercession. > > In beekeeping can be defined as the replacement of a queen without swarming. > Queen cells are produced - the commonly quoted rule is that less than 6 > indicates supersedure, whereas more than 6 indicates swarming (do not rely > on this!) - and a new queen emerges, flies to mate and then starts laying, > whilst the old queen continues in residence. The old queen normally > disappears during the following winter and the new queen takes over. > > The phenomenum is rarely noticed by beekeepers who do not mark their queens, > but those who do so will see the new unmarked queen and the old marked one - > often working on the same comb. > > busybee wrote in message <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >First I guess the correct spelling is "supersedure"...when the hive raises > a > >new queen on its own for these reasons: when they don't like the present > >queen (then they have swarming on their minds) or that their queen has died > >(or was killed). > > > >--Busybee > > > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... > >>In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" > >> wrote: > >> > >>>Supercedure... > >> > >>Could you define this term, please? > >> > >>-- > >>Charles "Stretch" Ledford > >>STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > >>"North America and the Entire World" > >>http://www.GoStretch.com > > > > From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:39 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <378CF58B.48D3AAE0@worldnet.att.net> References: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> <19990708202908.01992.00010854@ng-cc1.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 931984730 17105 12.72.0.168 (14 Jul 1999 20:38:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:38:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19455 A quarter inch thick strip of lumber an inch or two long will make the opening almost vertical, not letting in so much rain. It just slightly tilts the stack up on one of the short sides. JMitc1014 wrote: > > I can picture the advantages here of slipping the super aside to leave a 3/8 > inch gap for the bees to get better ventilation and access, but if you get a > spring or summer rainstorm, doesn't this technique allow alot of water to run > down onto the brood combs? > John From rhfjr81@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Rhfjr81) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Other Newsgroups about Bees Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:13:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19456 Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe to???? Richard Flanagan From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sun Jul 18 05:34:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:06:11 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7miu5s$h2l$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 931986428 17493 129.173.88.206 (14 Jul 1999 21:07:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 21:07:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19457 Why? Not happy with this one? ;) As far as I know there are no other newsgroups which are aviable for everyone. I remember that there was something in one of the provider nets (compuserve?). Probably there are mailinglists outside the usenet. cheers Ulli Rhfjr81 wrote: > > Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe to???? > > Richard Flanagan From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:57:36 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <378D23F0.2F1E0833@worldnet.att.net> References: <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> <19990714160105.06184.00000105@ngol08.aol.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931996598 4776 12.72.192.114 (14 Jul 1999 23:56:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 23:56:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19458 This was the first week of May, packages installed 2 to 4 weeks earlier in a single deep each, unstapled. It was a skunk which got itself trapped, which ended two subsequent nighttime attacks.The skunk pulled the hives onto their side off the bottom boards, and some of the lids fell off. It wasn't after bees at the entrance, but gobbled up brood and honey directly off the frames, splintering some of the frames and biting directly through the plasticell in some interests. My neighbor has a multi-million herd of horses, and I rely on him for protection against bears and pumas which might attack his mares or foals. The biggest predator in evidence is a coyote pack, and I've never heard of coyotes attacking bees. Skunks in California can get big, 30 to 35 pounds. They root like hogs and have strong jaws and shoulders. This was not a literary skunk; he stunk. It weighed 12 to 15 pounds. There are no monkeys living wild in the Sierera Nevada, to my knowledge. Of course, there's always Bigfoot. Jajwuth wrote: > > , "Hasta B. Shasta" writes: > > >A couple of months ago, > >either a skunk or a raccoon attacked five of my hives. > > Sounds like the old fable where the monkey eats the farmers grain and puts the > pail around the donkey's neck. The farmer comes in and beats the poor donkey. > > Skunks scratch at the entrance of the hive and as the bees come out to > investigate he gobbles them up.As more bees come out he is forced to squash > them and roll them into a ball , which he then eats. > > Signs of skunk are scatches and mud on the front of hive. Also there will be a > small area that is polished smooth from the rolling and mashing action. > > From the damage you describe it does not sound like a skunk. > > Al From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lables(removal) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:05:25 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <378D25C5.32ABAD14@worldnet.att.net> References: <930766869.5993.0.nnrp-08.d4e52b39@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931997062 4776 12.72.192.114 (15 Jul 1999 00:04:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 00:04:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19459 Lighter fluid, then perhaps lacquer thinner. Mike Smith wrote: > > Could somebody please point me in the right direction,I have a problem > removing old honey jar labels ,the glue used is not water based and even > three dishwasher washes can't remove them? > All The Best Mike From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jul 1999 00:14:43 GMT References: <378CDFA1.B11FB825@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990714201443.28271.00000163@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19460 Hasta B. Shasta writes: >You will be thrilled to know that bricks can be used with TB hives, too, >except, of course, in that case you put the brick UNDER the hive instead >of on the top. I don't know if that is humour but it seems to escape me. To risk riling a few I did hear about using a old LH as a hive stand for a top bar hive . It would be a recognizable sign of a beehive. Also it symbolizes the chronological development of the top bar hive. Would potential spores in the old LH be a problem? Cheers Al From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: using bleach? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:24:04 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <378D2A24.5C1FF111@worldnet.att.net> References: <377A2E8B.DCAE0538@jps.net> <7ldnia$5j9$1@News.Dal.Ca> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931998182 4776 12.72.192.114 (15 Jul 1999 00:23:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 00:23:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19461 I use a plastic foundation named Plasticell at about 89 cents a sheet. No wiring, it flexes into an empty wooden frame, pops in or out. The cell pattern is stamped into the sheet plastic. It can be scaped clean of old wax, and new wax can be brushed onto it. It takes about 30 seconds to put it back in the frame, ready for the hive. Ulli Hoger wrote: > The plastic inserts seems to be part of the wax foundations used in the > past. Some foundtions are not purely made from wax, they have a plastic > core coated with wax (Duragilt?). If my interpretation is right, get > rid of the plastic stuff. Even if these are real plastic foundations, > but the ones I know are made as one piece with a plastic frame, I > wouldn't use them. From harrisonrw@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jul 1999 00:58:57 GMT References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990714205857.27048.00000384@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19462 >Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe >to???? > Yes the BEE-L To subscribe if I remember right you send a e-mail to listserv@cnsibm.albany.edu in the body of the letter put subscribe BEE-L Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeeepers Association From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jul 1999 01:47:15 GMT References: <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990714214715.06182.00000217@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19463 John Caldeira writes: >The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several >centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs >attached to moveable top bars. > >The important invention in the last century that you may be referring >to is the practical moveable frame hive. > Your right According to my book Langsroth discovered the significance of bee space in the interior of the hive. He found that bees require passage ways 3/8 inch to 1/2 inch wide. He went on to design the moveable frame hive. One thing puzzles me is that if you use a starter strip in a frame of LH they fill the whole frame. In a top bar hive we want them to make a crescent shape comb. Would the wider width of the top bar hive encourage them to make a crescent shape comb and not attach the comb to the side.. Al. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Virgin Queens Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:17:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7mk5fg$a2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7U%i3.21$Xy.14284@ratbert.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 08:17:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 gvprox02:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.38.26, 145.64.128.2 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgzooflup Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19464 Simple. Just check in 10-15 days if you have eggs. If you do, feed and leave that hive alone for 3 weeks. If you don't, feed for a day, toss the bees out and let them find their way in the other hives. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dungn@taurus.oac.uci.edu Sun Jul 18 05:34:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!132.239.1.220!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!taurus.oac.uci.edu!dungn From: Dzung Nguyen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does carpenter bee die after stinging like honey bee? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:56:56 -0700 Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.oac.uci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19465 I'm wondering whether the carpenter bee would die after stinging like honey bee since carpenter bees don't live in colony and thus it's of no benefit to their gene if they die just to defense themselves. Each honey bee shares the gene with the queen so it is of great benifit to risk their lives protecting the nest. If anyone know the answer,please share. From h.tait@home.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7mg5d9$7ku$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:51:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ab.home.com 932021468 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:08 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19466 > > > > I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as > to > > is it what you expected? > > So about ten years ago , a very good friend of mine is on the phone to me and mentions in passing , that I should try keeping bees for a living. He mentioned it knowing I was looking for a second career, been running restaurants for the last 20 years and want out. I laughed like hell, in my mind he might as well as said , you should write a book of poetry I hear there is money in that. ( no offence to any poets, rich or poor). Anyways I had a good laugh but it stuck in my head. A few weeks later I remembered hearing that a waiter who used to work for me about 6 years previous kept bees, and was raising queens. So I bought him a beer and asked questions. He tried to talk me out of it, but I stuck on it. Worked for him for free in my spare time, and learned a little. 1st year 2 hives so far so good , 3rd year 10 hives ( one drone layer ). Decided I liked being outside with them, invested some money and we have been at about 300 or so for the past few years. It is what I expected and not, but I have a permanent feeling of well being >from working with them, no matter how much or miserable the work. I find myself relating to the world in a much different way. To make a long story short, been working em about ten years, next spring I am leaving the restaurant business and will be working bees only. That being said, If you had asked me if I would be keeping bees before that call, I would have bet the farm on a NO answer. Go figger hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sun Jul 18 05:34:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does carpenter bee die after stinging like honey bee? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:22:35 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7mkncj$hvn$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 932045011 18423 129.173.88.206 (15 Jul 1999 13:23:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 13:23:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19467 Royal Draper wrote: > > The Honey Bee is the only bee that I know of that loses its' stinger. > On our website there is a picture of the honeybee stinger under a electron > microscope, when you see it you'll understand why the stinger comes out when > a honeybee stings you. > http://www.draperbee.com/info/pictures.htm Well, that old legend. The suggestion that the barbs on the stinger are responsible for keeping the stinger in human skin are obvious. But a wasp stinger doesn't look that much different from a bee stinger. So, what's the difference? Well, the honey bee stinger apparatus is designed to remain in skin, not only the stinger itself, also the venom bladder, various muscles, and the part of the nervous system innervating these muscles. As we all know, the apparatus continues to pump venom into us after it got separated from the rest of the bee. It is even able to push the stinger deeper into the skin. This makes sure that you get the full effect, i.e. pain and irritation and further attacs of other individuals, if you are not able to pull it out. The reason that the stinging apparatus in honey bees gets lost is, as far as I remember my entomology lectures, that the muscle apparatus is designed to continue venom pumping instead of keeping stinger and bee as one piece. The advantage for the colonie? Single individuals sacrify themself to save the brood (which carries their genes as well) and the honey (which is the survival warranty for the colonie) from predators, by giving them maximal pain and irritation and label them for other defenders. Many of the solitary bee species are not even able to penetrate the human skin, if they can they are able to pull their stingers out. Same is the situation in Bumble Bees. The explanation for the difference? There is no colonie with brood and honey to defend. If the individual dies it is out of the reproduction cycle. So, what are the barbs good for? In fact they are necessary to penetrate the skin and pull the stinger deeper into the victim. The stinger in hymnopteras (bees, wasps and kin) are not simply pushed into the target like a needle. The stinger is made of at least 2 parallel panels. The grove between them is visible in the picture. These 2 pieces work in a sliding motion. One keeps the present position in the skin, thanks to the barbs, while the other piece uses this as anchor to push itself deeper. Than its acts as anchor and the other side works into the skin a little deeper. Some of you may have expirienced that already isolated bee stingers are able to work into the skin -or through a glove into your hand. The muscles and the nerve knot makes it an autonom stinging machine for quite some time till the energy supplies for muscle and nerve are gone. That's how I know the story. cheers ulli From kredick@cnu.edu Sun Jul 18 05:34:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kip Redick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:30:15 -0400 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <378DE267.62831382@cnu.edu> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m5uaq$q9k$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19468 busybee wrote: > The inexperienced will learn. It is to educate the general public to be > connoiseurs of honey. The general public (at least in the US) has no idea > that there are different flavors and colors of honey...they just look for > the cheapest "junk" on the shelf with little regard about where the bees > gathered the nectar or if the packer has mixed in a little corn syrup or the > standard honey blends of the packers... they don't give a hoot...its all > honey to them! It's the curse of the electronic consumer culture. We thrive on homogenization, blending everything into the least common denominator for profit. Look at the apples in the supermarket. Red and Golden Delicious, a few other "popular" varieties, and all those "odd" and old time tastes slowly die in fields which may soon become high rise human brood chambers. It warms my heart to hear that large beekeeping operations still care about quality and variety. Kip From stoneacres@netscape.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Does carpenter bee die after stinging like honey bee? Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:14:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932040873 204.186.180.80 (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:14:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:14:33 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19469 The Honey Bee is the only bee that I know of that loses its' stinger. On our website there is a picture of the honeybee stinger under a electron microscope, when you see it you'll understand why the stinger comes out when a honeybee stings you. http://www.draperbee.com/info/pictures.htm Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net Dzung Nguyen wrote in message ... > >I'm wondering whether the carpenter bee would die after stinging like >honey >bee since carpenter bees don't live in colony and thus it's of no benefit >to their gene if they die just to defense themselves. Each honey bee >shares the gene with the queen so it is of great benifit to risk their >lives protecting the nest. If anyone know the answer,please share. > From michel_crichton@mitel.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: uncapping frames for extraction Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:51:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:51:40 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19470 Hi all, Well after following suggestions from this group this season I have been rewarded with quite a crop of honey. Thanks to all. I am about to extract for the first time this weekend and I am looking for suggestions on techniques that will speed up the process and reduce waste at the same time. Mainly I am looking for ideas on uncapping filled frames. My friend who I am keeping the hives for use to use an electrically heated knife but he says that it tends to give the honey a burnt taste sometimes. He now just uses a fork to puncture all the caps before putting the frames in the extractor. However when he uses this fork technique, a lot of cappings get extracted with the honey and can clog the filter quickly. I have read that a steam heated knife works well for uncapping. Is this true? Any drawbacks? If anyone else has any other suggestions ideas on uncapping or the general extracting procedure, let me know before the weekend. I want it to proceed as smoothly and quickly as possible. Thanks in advance and I'll let you know how it went on Monday. Mich From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:48:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7mksbp$hpd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> <19990714205857.27048.00000384@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 14:48:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.27, 216.138.56.12 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19471 harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > >Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe > >to???? > > > > Yes the BEE-L I believe BEE-L is a mailing list not a newsgroup. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From kredick@cnu.edu Sun Jul 18 05:34:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kip Redick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:48:13 -0400 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 26 Message-ID: <378DF4AD.46A81DD9@cnu.edu> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping@list.deja.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19472 busybee wrote: I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > is it what you expected? My daughter and son like pressing the keys as well! My need for pollination was the straw that set my long time desire into motion. Everywhere I have lived, except here in Southeastern VA, has had an abundance of honeybees working the flowers. There are zero here, and I live in the country. I love gardening; fruits, vegetables, and flowers, and know that the bounty of the garden is dependent on those pollinators. I also use honey whenever possible. I am just starting and made a deal with my wife that I would only start one hive. I would like to start more next year. I am amazed at the experience. I find it extremely relaxing to simply watch the bees going in and out of the hive. I do not enjoy opening the hive, not because of the sting, but because I feel like a thousand productive working women are all screaming at me. On the other hand looking at the crafting that they produce on the inside is wonderful. Finally, my children will learn a great deal about nature by experiencing it first hand. They are home schooled and the classroom is where ever we are. They love the bees too! Kip From allend@internode.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Inspector Courtesy Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:06:11 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 49 Message-ID: <00ee01beced3$9314fc80$02000003@allend> References: <7mekr0$chn$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7mekr0$chn$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19473 > > Now just who does he think he is to come out there and > > unilaterally apply a different management scheme than > > the one in place? > > I guess my question is: What is the proper role of a bee > > inspector? The proper role in most jurisdictions is to inspect the bees with as little negative impact on them as possible, and to provide the owner with necessary information resources to protect his/her bees and the neighbourhood from diseases. In jurisdictions where burning is mandated, the job is much more complex and not limited to the above... Having been an inspector some twenty or more years ago,and having supervised other inspectors, I have to say inspectors come in all makes and sizes -- just like the rest of the population. Some inspectors are experienced beekeepers, some are not. Some are tolerant and good humoured, some are arrogant, pushy and power-hungry. Each has his or her place and uses, so unless an inspector does something 'way out of range, both types usually get to keep their jobs -- even if some of them have to be kept on a chain or muzzled. What this inspector did appears to be a little bit out of line by most standards, since we are supposed to put things back the way they found them unless we find a reportable disease. However, maybe you should think back carefully about anything you may have said before the inspector started, such as saying you are new and don't know much, or mentioning that any advice or help would be appreciated. This could have been construed as permission to move things around a bit. Experienced beekeepers often work in a sort of trance in which they can even lose power of coherent speech, and in this state they move quickly, smoothly and automatically, especially when they are working many hives. They respond to what the situation requires in their experience and do not seem completely conscious. I call it doing what the bees tell me to do. I doubt that the inspector would have had all or most of the frames out of the hive at once, but it does occur to me that if things got mixed up a bit, then he would have put them together the way that seemed right to him. I remember coming across queenless hives while inspecting and having placed a frame of eggs and young larvae into them from an adjoining hive, since I doubted the (commercial) beekeeper would get around to it. But I did not have permission. Did I do wrong? allen From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:09:37 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ml4ou$i2i$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.7.153 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 932058718 18514 12.68.7.153 (15 Jul 1999 17:11:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 17:11:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19474 Hello all, I am somewhat new to beekeeping and have a question. I noticed today in my back yard lots of bees working a flowering trumpet vine I have as an ornamental. I live in a very suburban area and know of no hives being kept by neighbors (at least not that I know of). How can I follow or trace back bees to a wild source? My idea is this, if they are from wild unkept swarms, maybe they would be more resistant to mites etc? Some of them seem very dark in color and from what I read the darker bees are somewhat better at fighting varroa and other nastys. Let me know what you think. Thanks! Gabe PS my hive is not near my house so I know they're not MY bees. From lithar@midwest.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uncapping frames for extraction Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:54:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 52 Message-ID: <378E2069.69F9@midwest.net> References: <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.157 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:50:16 GMT X-Trace: 932061016.953.101 JF3D7GB4M049DD1F8C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19475 The timing on your question is perfect. I was in the same predicament a couple weeks ago and pondering the purchase of an electric uncapping knife $60-$70. I tried scratching the caps but not enough honey was removed, and as you have pointed out, the cappings end up in the extracted honey. *Then* I decided to try an electric carving knife - perfecto. The cappings sliced off cleanly leaving undamaged comb behind. The knife blade is long enough to reach from the top bar to the bottom bar of the frame for a smooth solid cutting guide. I had to poke holes in very few cells that were too low for the knife to reach, the knife handled 99.5% of the job. Nearly broke my arm giving myself a pat on the back for saving $60 and getting the job done. :) BTW, my uncapping tank is a Rubbermaid storage container labeled Wrap 'n Craft - designed for storing long rolls of wrapping paper - $8. It has two removable upper trays that are perfect for the uncapping operation and a sizeable lower container for temporary storage of the uncapped frames. AL Michel Crichton wrote: > > Hi all, > > Well after following suggestions from this group this season I have been > rewarded with quite a crop of honey. Thanks to all. I am about to extract > for the first time this weekend and I am looking for suggestions on > techniques that will speed up the process and reduce waste at the same time. > > Mainly I am looking for ideas on uncapping filled frames. My friend who I > am keeping the hives for use to use an electrically heated knife but he says > that it tends to give the honey a burnt taste sometimes. He now just uses a > fork to puncture all the caps before putting the frames in the extractor. > However when he uses this fork technique, a lot of cappings get extracted > with the honey and can clog the filter quickly. > > I have read that a steam heated knife works well for uncapping. Is this > true? Any drawbacks? > > If anyone else has any other suggestions ideas on uncapping or the general > extracting procedure, let me know before the weekend. I want it to proceed > as smoothly and quickly as possible. > > Thanks in advance and I'll let you know how it went on Monday. > > Mich From klok@dolfijn.nl Sun Jul 18 05:34:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail From: Henk Klok Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:45:13 +0200 Organization: De Levant Lines: 8 Message-ID: <378DBBB9.8D78DB74@dolfijn.nl> References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> <19990714205857.27048.00000384@ng-fw1.aol.com> Reply-To: klok@dolfijn.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-145-99-70-194.snelnet.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 932035524 25423 145.99.70.194 (15 Jul 1999 10:45:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 10:45:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [nl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: nl Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19476 try http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm > > >Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe > >to???? Henk Klok From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Sun Jul 18 05:34:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lousy bee weather in Mtns Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:09:13 -0400 Lines: 24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.8 Message-ID: <378e2335.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 15 Jul 1999 13:06:45 -0600, 209.192.109.8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19477 I live in the Smoky Mountains at about 3500ft, while we've had great human weather (need a blanket at night) it's been terrible for the bees I think. Our days have not been too much in the 70's and the nights are usually down in the upper 50's. There are all kinds of plants that are blooming and they continue to do so well into October. Anyone else have experience with this type of climate? I'm considering moving my bees next year to the lower areas as there is usually a good 10 degrees temperature difference than in the mountains. All the hives are healthy but the brood areas are small, again I attribute this to the colder weather, might I be better off and give them a smaller enterance to keep the heat in? I lived in Michigan a few years ago and was able to get 600lbs of honey >from 5 hives, supers were over my head. Here I'm lucky to get 70 to 90lbs in the last couple of years from 3 hives. Perhaps woolen sweaters are needed, can anyone supply 100,000 with wing and leg holes (c: -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From stoneacres@netscape.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <378CE94A.42167D9C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bees in the Horse Water Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932040481 204.186.180.80 (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:08:01 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:08:01 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19478 You could try providing a source of water closer to the bees. Floating a piece of wood in the water will prevent the bees from drowning. Have a great day! Royal W. Draper www.draperbee.com Kevin Reed wrote in message <378CE94A.42167D9C@earthlink.net>... >It's getting hot on the mountain and the bees from my three colonies are >filling up the waterers of the horse corrals nearby (including my own). >It's not much of a problem for me (my water is in a larger tub, though >it seems to be drowning the bees), but two other waterers are of the >small-bowl variety. The horses are a bit spooked about sticking their >snouts into bee soup, and one less-than-fully-alert horseperson stuck >her hand in the waterer and came up stung. > >Other than make sure I'm generous in giving honey to all the horse >owners (and other stingees who visit the corral), does anyone have any >advice about what I can do? Is there a way to discourage bees from >congregating in these smaller bowl feeders? Should I just give up and >let nature figure out who controls water between a horse and a bee? > >-Kevin > > From mank@pathway.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!newsspool.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!209.98.98.64.MISMATCH!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: mank Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Supplies Date: 15 Jul 1999 20:25:07 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7mlg33$6tr$0@208.231.49.216> Reply-To: mank@pathway.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.49.216 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19479 Hello everyone I would like to get started in beekeeping....and I would like to know if there is much difference between manufacturs of hive supplies ( the hives frames foundation etc )....will one make hold up better than another ? The A.I.Root company is the closest to me. anyone have any experience with their equipment? Thanks Marshall From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Economics of Beekeeping Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jul 1999 21:04:16 GMT References: <7mbnds$qj0$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990715170416.16372.00000321@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19480 What would be the capital cost of a hive yielding 200lbs? What is the expected life of the hive? What would be the variable costs to run that hive to the point of extracting honey? What would be the number of hours put in to attend to the hive? Any other interesting data you wish to share with us? I need the data to analyze. I have a lot of time on my hands. Thanks kindly Al From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:34:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uncapping frames for extraction Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:51:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7mllfq$2gg$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.hytrin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932075834 2576 62.136.72.72 (15 Jul 1999 21:57:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 21:57:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19481 Michel Crichton wrote in message <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>... >Hi all, > >Mainly I am looking for ideas on uncapping filled frames. My friend who I >am keeping the hives for use to use an electrically heated knife but he says >that it tends to give the honey a burnt taste sometimes. He now just uses a >fork to puncture all the caps before putting the frames in the extractor. >However when he uses this fork technique, a lot of cappings get extracted >with the honey and can clog the filter quickly. I use a cold knife (one of the long 'ham' knives) and find this excellent. I have a wooden bar across my uncapping tank with a stainless steel bolt sticking up in the middle about 2"; the end of the bolt has been ground to a point so that the frames do not slip. I cut downwards (to avoid removing the end of any fingers or thumbs!). I also have a spare stainless steel hive tool which I keep in the honey house (if you use your usual one then you can guarantee that you will forget to take it with you when you visit out-apiaries) which I use to remove cappings from any low spots, scrape down any granulated honey (we often get this from the oilseed rape) and remove frames from the supers. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:34:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:57:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7mllfr$2gg$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m5uaq$q9k$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <378DE267.62831382@cnu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-72.hytrin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932075835 2576 62.136.72.72 (15 Jul 1999 21:57:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 21:57:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19482 Kip Redick wrote in message <378DE267.62831382@cnu.edu>... > > Red and Golden Delicious, a few other "popular" varieties, and >all those "odd" and old time tastes slowly die in fields which may soon become high >rise human brood chambers I'll second that! My bees pollinate 23 varieties of apples at a local fruit farm, while the supermarket is full of French (!) Golden Delicious - a misnomer if ever there was one - and American (!!) Reds with little more flavour and incredibly tough skins. Give me a Cox's Orange Pippin anytime! (or a Blenheim, Katy, James Grieve, Greensleeves, Kidd's Orange . . .) From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding in drought conditions Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:44:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mlo7f$tt9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.153 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 22:44:17 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.153 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19483 Devin, Have you watched to see if any bees are landing on the bottom board and going right in your hives or are they all just sitting on the front? If at least 20% or so of bees are bringing in nectar and they have enough honey stores, they may make it through this low nectar month. Don't know how severe it is there, but I use the above as a guide here. If they are just sitting on the front and no bees are coming right back in, then, yes, I would feed immediately. I don't like to feed right away because I have supers on now, but I have considered putting last year's extra honey on them. Use a 50/50 sugar/water mixture if you don't have extra supers on that you plan to sell or use the honey for yourself. Southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:30:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7mlufs$7a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.77 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 00:30:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.77 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19484 Howdy busybee and all: In 1933 when I was 11 years old I was able to obtain a few Boy Scout Merit Badge booklets. After being born in the country and being fascinated by all the wondrous world of nature, I naturally picked Beekeeping as one of the booklets. My interest in all the goodies in the booklet led me to make my first hive (frames and all) >from scrap lumber and wooden apple crate wood with primitive hand tools. You might have read of the Great Depression --- NO MONEY. A farmer with a large orchard and many box hives of bees sent word for me to bring him my hive so he could catch me a swarm. Tlhat was in the spring of 1934. In the summer of 1937 I worked with S.E. McGregor while he was doing experimental work at the Experiment station at Hope, Arkansas to determine natural resistance of different strains of bees to American Foulbrood. The next two summers I worked for a commercial beekeeper -- H.E. Graham -- at Cameron, Texas. He had about 3,000 colonies with no mechanized equipment. Then along came WW II for three years, then 6 years in Veterinary College at Texas A&M. In spite of a busy practice, I was never without bees for very long. The number of hives grew until suddenly I found that I had 100 hives and was also makaing all the wooden parts of the hive from Cypress lumber and was a dealer for this and other bee supplies. Finally it was taking so much time that it was interfering with my Veterinary practice. I sold bees and equipment, but almost immediately started looking around for a few hives to buy. My biggest kicks come from buying old rundown hives of bees and transferring them into my good equipment. A bit long-winded, but I just want you folks to know that bees continue to hold the same marvelous fascination for me as they did with that first hive ! Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In article <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > May I ask a favor? > > I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > is it what you expected? > > Just curious and TIA, > Busybee > > P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new > age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the > number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: meeting others Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 01:27:49 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990715212749.28273.00000410@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19485 I don't no how long this newsgroup has been in existence but I was wondering if beekeepers visit each other. Not locally but over a considerable distance or as a travel incentive.. It could also be a learning experience. Of course there would have to be some prescreening and mutual agreement. Does or could this happen? Al From johnbkpr@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: johnbkpr@aol.com (JOHNBKPR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 01:28:48 GMT References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990715212848.04596.00000787@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19486 >I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who >decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many >hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to >is it what you expected? > >Just curious and TIA, >Busybee > >P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new >age...to let everyone know it is her birthday... "Happy Birthday" My brother-in-law gave me a copy of Organic Gardnening with an article on beekeeping. We had talked about keeping bees the year before, but the article pushed me along. I enrolled both of us in the local bee school. And we have been off in running with the bees for the last 5 years. We have about 25 hives, give or take a few.(+2or 3) Our wives make the candles, and we also make furniture polish and hand cream And all the other stuff. We go to craft shows in the fall and all enjoy the bees. Good Luck John Celestial Offerings "Gifts of Nature" Northern RI From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:52:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7mm6q5$2uu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.92 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 02:52:57 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.92 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19487 Rh, try about.com It is a good beekeeping posting board, lbut does not get as much traffic as this one. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In article <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com>, rhfjr81@aol.com (Rhfjr81) wrote: > Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can suscribe to???? > > Richard Flanagan > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hensler@povn.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!news.good.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378EA32E.1DCA@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Furniture Polish - was I'm Curious!!!! References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990715212848.04596.00000787@ng-co1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:12:46 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.145 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 932094674 206.107.251.145 (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:11:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:11:14 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19488 John wrote: Our wives make the > candles, and we also make furniture polish and hand cream And all the other > stuff. We go to craft shows in the fall and all enjoy the bees. Yo John: Would you consider sharing your furniture polish recipe and expand on the subject of "other stuff?" Please. :-) Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From Amschelp@pe.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990715212848.04596.00000787@ng-co1.aol.com> Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.14 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 932095595 216.100.28.14 (Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:26:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 23:26:35 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:31:28 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19489 I got real interested when a wild swarm took up occupancy of an old rusty beer keg over 10 years ago here on my 1 acre in so. cal. The colony lived for several seasons in the beer keg until a heavy storm drowned them out. My first two years I had two colonies of Langstroth full sized hive bodies stacked four hive bodies high (which was too much work and too much honey for me with my busy general law practice) and since then I have kept one colony per year in a top bar hive. It is a lot of fun. You can feel godlike in your relationship with your colony, especially with regard to how the bees either ignore you or try to hurt you or try to drive you away and how they don't ever appreciate you at all. Bees are worse than cats in their lack of appreciation for their keeper, but this does not diminish our affection for them. :0) JOHNBKPR wrote in message news:19990715212848.04596.00000787@ng-co1.aol.com... > >I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > >decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > >hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > >is it what you expected? > > > From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Supplies Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 03:42:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7mm9nb$3u2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mlg33$6tr$0@208.231.49.216> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 03:42:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19490 Marshall, A.I. Root has always been a good reliable source, but I understand that they contract for someone else to make their wooden goods instead of making them. Rossman in Georgia makes Cypress hives (this is best of all woods for hives). There seems to be no great difference in prices of different producers. Most have commercial grade and top grade hives which does make considerable difference in price. Pete ------------------------------------------------------------ In article <7mlg33$6tr$0@208.231.49.216>, mank@pathway.net wrote: > Hello everyone > > if there is much difference between manufacturs of hive supplies > ( the hives frames foundation etc )....will one make hold up better than another ? The A.I.Root company is the closest to me. anyone have any experience with their equipment? > > Thanks > Marshall > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.14 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 932097742 216.100.28.14 (Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:02:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:02:22 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:07:15 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19491 What does Kevin "Big" Johnson look like? workerbee wrote in message news:378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net... > Test. How do you get rid of unneeded used bee equipment? Answer: Call > Kevin Johnson and he'll pick it up and boil it in lye water. He came and > got a truck load today and even tried to get me to give him a better > deal. Sure hope it works out for him. Hee-hee. > > Don in NC > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Inspector Courtesy Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 04:15:18 GMT References: <00ee01beced3$9314fc80$02000003@allend> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716001518.23415.00001045@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19492 Hi Allen, All responses to my posting have been thoughtful, and some even politic. I will call the inspector and ask him in a casual way if it was intential and whether he has any management recommendation -- then I'll explain what I was trying to do. I was not present when he inspected the hives, but since the equipment and comb is all new, and the colors I've painted some of my equipment to deter drifting are not anything near what would be considered conventional (and, it seems, credible) in the traditions of beekeeping, the inspector probably surmised (accurately) that I was an inexperienced hobbyist beekeeper. I guess I have to keep in mind the "big picture" of beekeeping, which is that while I'm intently focused on my handful of hives, there are people out there who keep hundreds and thousands of hives under a commercial management system. If a roving bee inspector wants to exercise his judgment as he peruses a large apiary and set a few hives right, any sensible operator would say more power to him, as long as the inspector knew what he was doing. Perhaps bee inspectors need to keep in mind that different people have different management systems to raise bees. A comparison could be made to the difference between a person who keeps a pot-bellied pig for a pet and someone who runs a hog farm. They may look askance at each other's management techniques, but neither is "wrong," or at least inherently illegal. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:33:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7mmcma$4r0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mieu8$lcl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.106 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 04:33:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.106 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19493 Sagehill, I agree with your opinion about a swarm taking over. I suggest that if the hive and frames are in good condition, just put them all back together on a good bottom board and leave the honey on for a while until you know the whole story of the status of the colony. This late in the year, you will want to leave plenty of honey on anyway. Pete --------------------------------------------------- In article <7mieu8$lcl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > Last night I was given a hive with the following history: > > - the bees "disappeared" a month ago. The owner unstacked the supers > and left them on the ground (not on the bottom board). > > - a few days later the bees "reappeared". > > - the hive consists of 2 deeps, 2 dadants, and 2 shallows - some empty, > some with honey (this year and last years). The frames haven't been > checked for two years, so were "glued" in the supers. I didn't find any > brood in the dadants or the shallows, so am hoping I to find brood in > the deeps tonite. > > - I left the bottom board behind since it was in poor condition and full > of DEAD bees. (this hive was not checked for 2 years.) The mite just > arrived in this area last year, so the owner has never used apistan, > formic acid etc. > > I am guessing the original colony died and a swarm moved in. My plan > tonite is to remove any honey frames, find the brood and use apistan > strips for a 24 hour "sticky board" test for mites. Am undecided about > what to do with the honey. (what are my options?) > > This is my first year as a beekeeper - any suggestions? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones on ground Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:40:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7mmd3h$50e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <378B4EAD.A6F2641C@analogic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.106 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 04:40:18 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.106 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19494 HDC -- I agree with Gerry. Strong possibility of Varroa. Check the drones you find outside. Are the wings missing or malformed? This is a dead giveaway for mites, and remember that the mites are partial to drong brood. If drones are beink kicked out, the workers are riding the drones as if they were stinging them, but of course they are not. pete ----------------------------------------------------------- In article <378B4EAD.A6F2641C@analogic.com>, n1vxs@juno.com wrote: > I'm a second year beekeeper in Eastern Mass. The bees seem to be > harvesting normally. > > Last night around dusk, I noticed about a dozen drones wandering around > on the ground in front of a hive. They seemed listless, and I could not > make them fly, even when I picked up one and dropped him. The workers > were behaving normally. Does this indicate a problem? Or are these > just old drones? It seems way too early for the annual massacre of > drones. > > I do not see this happening in front of my other hive. > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From eijs.duur@consunet.nl Sun Jul 18 05:34:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "M.J.van Eijsden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pagoda honeypot Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:43:18 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline News server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7mmd9o$har$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp201-155.worldonline.nl X-Trace: news.worldonline.nl 932100216 17755 195.241.201.155 (16 Jul 1999 04:43:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 04:43:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19495 As a collector of honeypots from all over the world I'm in search of a white japanese pot in the shape of a pagoda.It was issued at the Nagoya Apimondia in 1985. Is there anyone who can help? eijs.duur@consunet.nl From deveaupj@cnwl.igs.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.191.82.230!prairie.attcanada.net!attcanada!nntp.igs.net!news.igs.net!not-for-mail From: "Paul J. Deveau" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Newsgroups about Bees Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:57:48 -0400 Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <378EBBCC.1595DC6E@cnwl.igs.net> References: <19990714161343.23409.00000248@ng-fy1.aol.com> <19990714205857.27048.00000384@ng-fw1.aol.com> <7mksbp$hpd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttye0c.cnwl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.igs.net 932101442 1742 216.58.8.211 (16 Jul 1999 05:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@igs.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 05:04:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en-US,fr,fr-BE,fr-CA,fr-FR,fr-CH Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19496 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) wrote: > > >Are there any other newsgroups that are about bees that I can > suscribe > > >to???? > > > There is alt.hobbies.beekeeping. It is not as busy as this ng. Paul From w8864@midwest.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie question? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:14:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <932131038.748.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.88 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:17:18 GMT X-Trace: 932131038.748.11 JF3D7GB4M3858D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19497 this is my first year with bees and I looked in the brood box today and there were a couple of , I'll call them sacks hanging from the comb. Are these queen cells or just a cell gone terrible wrong. If they are queen cells should I just leave them or remove them. I would like to harvest the extra queens in the spring and start new hives if this is possible. I still haven't put the menthol crystals in yet, is it to late to do this. Also, I didn't get started till late and fed them with sugar water. How much honey should I leave for the colony to survive the winter? thanx bill From shuston@riverace.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Supplies Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:38:59 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <378F35F3.44E3B91C@riverace.com> References: <7mlg33$6tr$0@208.231.49.216> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IYrtFFVzh388myQQbEg/DeYBn2n+0EXkh7/MRayUmUM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 13:39:01 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19498 Hi Marshall, > I would like to get started in beekeeping....and I would like to know > if there is much difference between manufacturs of hive supplies > ( the hives frames foundation etc )....will one make hold up better than > another ? I'm a first-year beekeeper, and I bought things from a few places this year. Here is my experience - it is very subjective, and based on a small number of samples. YMMV. Betterbee: Comes packed in reused cartons (from their suppliers and the local grocery store) and newspaper. Usually ok, but the wax I got had a few corners crunched, but minor - it worked perfectly well in the hive. Wood: some small knots, but very good carpentry (very little adjusting needed during assembly) and the handholds on the boxes are nice and big (especially handy when working with gloves on). Dadant: Very neat, professional packing, and no wax damage. The wood was flawless, but the carpentry not quite as nice as from Betterbee. Kelley: Also very neat packing, and good quality wood - the carpentry was very good, but the box handholds are relatively small. In my experience, from the stuff I've bought, Betterbee usually has the best prices (they're obviously saving on the cost of shipping containers ;-) and the quality has been very good. With the exception of wax, it's the first place I look now. For wax, I go with the more protected shipping of it from other places. Unless I'm also buying a lot of stuff >from Betterbee, then I'll just get the wax also to save on shipping. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:29:23 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 83 Message-ID: <378F41C3.D33525D6@worldnet.att.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> <378F2E60.B02CA8D9@sk.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.1.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 932135151 17091 12.72.1.65 (16 Jul 1999 14:25:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:25:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19499 As I see you live in California, too, do you know the regulations on shooting a bear? If you trap the bear, will the state handle transporting and releasing it. What did you do with the bear carcasses? Joe Edwards wrote: > > Hi I agree withgetting rid of the problem. Already this year I,ve shot one bear > and last year one as well. There are a lot of predators out there and if you are > a commercial beekeeper this is business. Time is money. I also put a live bear > trap in one of my bee yards last fall. The conservation officer told me just to > relocate the bear. Heck with that so it can destroy someone elses hives. Also > who would open the door for a 500lb sow black bear thats been riding in a bumpy > trap. Not Me I value my own life and my bees than I do the bear. This may seem > harsh to a lot of the group but I would have shot the bear right in the trap. All > this is legal where i live and bears are a problem as well as skunks and > raccoons. If I can't poison them I trap or shot them. > > Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > > > On the issue of relocation of problem wildlife. A couple of months ago, > > either a skunk or a raccoon attacked five of my hives. Approximately > > twenty frames with foundation were a complete loss, three queens were > > lost, and the remaining two colonies are thriving despite the damage. > > The second night after the attack, the marauder returned, but hive > > staples and bungee cords prevented any access to the bees, although one > > hive did get turned upside down. Since then, I have kept a large live > > trap in the bee yard. Right after the two attacks, a very large skunk > > was trapped. I shot and buried it. Sixty percent of wild skunks in > > California carry rabies. Over the next two months, I've caught two > > raccoons, which have been driven down the road a ways and released. Last > > week I called the California Forest Service to find out if there are > > better or worse areas to release such trapped animals. I was advised to > > kill all trapped animals rather than relocating. The first reason given > > was that my problem animals might become someone else's problem animal. > > The second reason is that my trapped animal could be carrying pests or > > diseases which might be introduced to other animal populations. The > > first reason does not apply to my situation which is extremely rural, > > and my release sites have been miles from human habitation. I am > > undecided yet on the disease issue, but also very reluctant to kill > > apparently healthy raccoons. Anyone in a similar situation should bear > > in mind that some animals are considered game and others vermin. While > > vermin can generally be killed without license or penalty, game animals > > are subject to many different rules, some species specific. > > > > George Styer wrote: > > > > > > A1, > > > > > > Many of your posts have a bend toward what you perceive as "more natural" > > > methods of beekeeping and purer products from the hive. Now you are > > > advocating destroying a bear for being bear. I am having a hard time > > > reconciling this contradiction..We are talking about an insignificant loss > > > to a hobbyist, certainly not worth a bears life. Your kind of reaction is > > > one reason we no longer have grizzly bears in California. > > > > > > Bill lives in the country. I am sure he has accepted that along with the > > > positive, he must also accept the negative (from a human standpoint). He has > > > had 1 bear attack in 3 years so you can't condemn this bear as a problem > > > bear. If the bear becomes a problem, why not relocate it? > > > > > > I suppose when you finally get your bees you will be destroying them the > > > first time a neighbor gets stung. Will you be using a natural method or opt > > > for the chemical approach? > > > > > > Perhaps you should read less and experience more. > > > > > > -- > > > Geo > > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > > > Jajwuth wrote in message > > > news:19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com... > > > > > > > It may be the case that a problem bear who does property damage can be > > > legally > > > > shot. By supplying the fence and not offering the preceding alternative, > > > I'm > > > > not sure the fish and game people are being of service. Sometimes the fish > > > and > > > > game guys just get in the way and entangle you in red tape.. From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:36:03 GMT References: <378F41C3.D33525D6@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716103603.18173.00001168@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19500 And Here I always considered beekeepers on the higher end of intelligent. Thank You for straightening me out. Laura From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:49:31 GMT References: <378F41C3.D33525D6@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990716104931.17886.00000482@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19501 , "Hasta B. Shasta" writes: > What did you do with the bear carcasses? > Do what the enforcement guys do when they shoot a problem bear. Throw it in the garbage dump. At night you will see the live bears eat the garbage right next to the dead bear. Al From pollinator@aol.comnospam Sun Jul 18 05:34:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: meeting others Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:53:12 GMT References: <19990715212749.28273.00000410@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716105312.00920.00001023@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19502 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >I don't no how long this newsgroup has been in existence but I was wondering >if >beekeepers visit each other. >Not locally but over a considerable distance or as a travel incentive.. It >could also be a learning experience. Of course there would have to be some >prescreening and mutual agreement. > >Does or could this happen? Beekeepers from the north, even from Canada, often stop here in the winter on the way to Myrtle Beach, or Florida. We are glad to meet them. Incidently, beekeepers are some of the best honey customers. We took a trip west two years ago, and visited a number of beekeepers, usually buying some honey. We also stopped frequently at produce stands, and usually bought honey as well. Everyone's got something different! We've toyed with the idea of having an afrobeetle seminar here next spring. Would others be interested? If we did it, it would be in late March, when bees are in full swing here, but still sleeping farther north. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:08:19 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7mnorj$2qi$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <378F41C3.D33525D6@worldnet.att.net> <19990716103603.18173.00001168@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.121 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 932144819 2898 12.72.46.121 (16 Jul 1999 17:06:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 17:06:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19503 Not normally a tree-hugger but this is pathetic. This whole tread has degraded from it origins. What was a single bear visit to 1 hobbyist hive in 3 years in rural NH has become a problem bear causing thousands of $ loss to commercial operators and skunks with rabies. There has not been any follow-up from Bill that the bear ever returned. For those that advocate destruction, take a picture of the bear before you shoot it so you can show your grandkids what a bear looked like. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there LauraMLeek wrote in message news:19990716103603.18173.00001168@ng-ft1.aol.com... > And Here I always considered beekeepers on the higher end of intelligent. Thank > You for straightening me out. > > Laura From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:22:42 GMT References: <378F2E60.B02CA8D9@sk.sympatico.ca> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990716102242.06183.00000398@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19504 Joe Edwards writes: >Hi I agree withgetting rid of the problem. Already this year I,ve shot one >bear >and last year one as well. There are a lot of predators out there and if you >are >a commercial beekeeper this is business. Time is money. I also put a live >bear >trap in one of my bee yards last fall. The conservation officer told me just >to >relocate the bear. Heck with that so it can destroy someone elses hives. >Also >who would open the door for a 500lb sow black bear thats been riding in a >bumpy >trap. Not Me I value my own life and my bees than I do the bear. This may >seem >harsh to a lot of the group but I would have shot the bear right in the trap. >All >this is legal where i live and bears are a problem as well as skunks and >raccoons. If I can't poison them I trap or shot them. > I agree with your actions especially when your operating a business. If you act on your own property and report it later to the conservation officers there usually isn't a problem. On the subject of conservation officers they have been known to be the worst perpatrators in legally snaring wolves just outside of the boundary of a nature preserve. There seems to be a conflict of interest that wouldn't be allowed in any other businesses. If you ask an enforcement officer a hypothetical question such as can I shoot the bear you usually get a stupid answer. It bothers the heck out of me to see ground hogs going through the vegetable patch like a lawn mower. What would it be like to see a bear destroying your apiary worth thousands. Al . From derrick@derrickr.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:34:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!derrickr.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Derrick Robinson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax in UK? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: <932149825.10326.0.nnrp-07.9e98338b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: derrickr.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: derrickr.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.139 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932149825 nnrp-07:10326 NO-IDENT derrickr.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19505 Hi, Can anyone tell me of a reliable source of beeswax available in the UK. Processed from raw to flat to foundation sheets. I need very good quality. Thanks in advance, Derrick From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Supplies Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:49:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7mlg33$6tr$0@208.231.49.216> To: mank@pathway.net X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Jul 1999 19:53:01 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jul 16 12:55:43 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust201.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <378F8CCE.74@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19506 I order from several different folks. The best foundation i've found is Ritecell from Mann Lake and isn't but pennies more than wax. I bought wooden ware from Western Bee supply. Got the cheap grade and am very happy with it(I can build a complete deep hive with migratory cover for $21.65 plus shipping. Add 10 sheets of rite cell foundation at $7.40 and the hive is still under $30.00). The folks at Kelleys are really good. Most will treat you good. Their business depends on it. Don in NC From deevey@sprint.ca Sun Jul 18 05:34:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave Barry" Subject: History of Beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:12:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.140.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-01.sprint.ca 932155945 149.99.140.203 (Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:12:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:12:25 EDT Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19507 I am doing a study project on beekeeping. It would involve the history, techniques, the past and present technologies and the dangers that threaten this craft. It would also make mention of the various means that different cultures through the ages plied the craft. I would appreciate any titles, authors or publishers names on the subject. -- Thank you Dave Barry Canada From j.j.edwards@sk.sympatico.ca Sun Jul 18 05:34:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378F2E60.B02CA8D9@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com> <7mh8fj$sgo$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <378CCEE3.FF7663DC@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 78 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:06:41 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.116.19 X-Trace: toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca 932130861 142.165.116.19 (Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:14:21 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:14:21 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19508 Hi I agree withgetting rid of the problem. Already this year I,ve shot one bear and last year one as well. There are a lot of predators out there and if you are a commercial beekeeper this is business. Time is money. I also put a live bear trap in one of my bee yards last fall. The conservation officer told me just to relocate the bear. Heck with that so it can destroy someone elses hives. Also who would open the door for a 500lb sow black bear thats been riding in a bumpy trap. Not Me I value my own life and my bees than I do the bear. This may seem harsh to a lot of the group but I would have shot the bear right in the trap. All this is legal where i live and bears are a problem as well as skunks and raccoons. If I can't poison them I trap or shot them. Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > On the issue of relocation of problem wildlife. A couple of months ago, > either a skunk or a raccoon attacked five of my hives. Approximately > twenty frames with foundation were a complete loss, three queens were > lost, and the remaining two colonies are thriving despite the damage. > The second night after the attack, the marauder returned, but hive > staples and bungee cords prevented any access to the bees, although one > hive did get turned upside down. Since then, I have kept a large live > trap in the bee yard. Right after the two attacks, a very large skunk > was trapped. I shot and buried it. Sixty percent of wild skunks in > California carry rabies. Over the next two months, I've caught two > raccoons, which have been driven down the road a ways and released. Last > week I called the California Forest Service to find out if there are > better or worse areas to release such trapped animals. I was advised to > kill all trapped animals rather than relocating. The first reason given > was that my problem animals might become someone else's problem animal. > The second reason is that my trapped animal could be carrying pests or > diseases which might be introduced to other animal populations. The > first reason does not apply to my situation which is extremely rural, > and my release sites have been miles from human habitation. I am > undecided yet on the disease issue, but also very reluctant to kill > apparently healthy raccoons. Anyone in a similar situation should bear > in mind that some animals are considered game and others vermin. While > vermin can generally be killed without license or penalty, game animals > are subject to many different rules, some species specific. > > George Styer wrote: > > > > A1, > > > > Many of your posts have a bend toward what you perceive as "more natural" > > methods of beekeeping and purer products from the hive. Now you are > > advocating destroying a bear for being bear. I am having a hard time > > reconciling this contradiction..We are talking about an insignificant loss > > to a hobbyist, certainly not worth a bears life. Your kind of reaction is > > one reason we no longer have grizzly bears in California. > > > > Bill lives in the country. I am sure he has accepted that along with the > > positive, he must also accept the negative (from a human standpoint). He has > > had 1 bear attack in 3 years so you can't condemn this bear as a problem > > bear. If the bear becomes a problem, why not relocate it? > > > > I suppose when you finally get your bees you will be destroying them the > > first time a neighbor gets stung. Will you be using a natural method or opt > > for the chemical approach? > > > > Perhaps you should read less and experience more. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > Jajwuth wrote in message > > news:19990713212018.18145.00000086@ngol02.aol.com... > > > > > It may be the case that a problem bear who does property damage can be > > legally > > > shot. By supplying the fence and not offering the preceding alternative, > > I'm > > > not sure the fish and game people are being of service. Sometimes the fish > > and > > > game guys just get in the way and entangle you in red tape.. From bud1941@webtv.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Economics of Beekeeping Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <29715-378F29D6-21@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990715170416.16372.00000321@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAk6wGQj5kcm+n+1HIkfTZkezZRSwCFGIgSzYdsyLqHzOnzDMciKx+jpIg Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19509 If you have a lot of time on your hands put as much time into helping a commercial beekeeper as much as you can. You need to help more than one. Read as many books as you can lay your hands on. Skip the hobby keepers their goals are different than a commercial bee keepers. Do not invest much money or time into beekeeping until you go and help that commercial beekeeper for an extended period of time and all the Qs you asked will be answered better that way than what you will read on the net. BUD From paulp@ims.com Sun Jul 18 05:34:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Win Title: Most Spectacular Mating Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:13:46 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <378F927A.298F3E@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19510 Here's an interesting web page about insect records: http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~tjw/recbk.htm Check out the topic "Most Spectacular Mating" for a good description of what goes on when the drones take flight. Paul From dvisrael@earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 05:34:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:39:08 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net> To: Peter Amschel X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Jul 1999 19:42:35 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jul 16 12:55:39 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust201.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <378F8A5C.33F1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19511 Big and ??????. I will not say ugly, cause he is my friend and God didn't make no ugly creatures, but some are better lookin than others.Take my wife of 33 years for example. No comparison and she makes gooder than snuff sketty. Ain't that rite Kevin. He actually looks like a heavy set beekeeper. Don in NCPeter Amschel wrote: > > What does Kevin "Big" Johnson look like? > > workerbee wrote in message > news:378A67AC.504C@earthlink.net... > > Test. How do you get rid of unneeded used bee equipment? Answer: Call > > Kevin Johnson and he'll pick it up and boil it in lye water. He came and > > got a truck load today and even tried to get me to give him a better > > deal. Sure hope it works out for him. Hee-hee. > > > > Don in NC > > > > From taylaw@digizen.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!chi.uu.net!nntp.corpcomm.net!news.gate.net!news.digizen.net!209.194.78.49 From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ISO: Recipes for beeswax products Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:57:01 -0400 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <378F8E8D.1DBE1E14@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.digizen.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.gate.net 932158314 32672 209.194.78.12 (16 Jul 1999 20:51:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 20:51:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19512 I have more recipes for food products made with honey than I can shake a hive tool at (my favorite is honey beer), but haven't seen many recipes for beeswax products (e.g., furniture polish, hand creams). Does anybody have any they can post (or e-mail me), or a site they can refer me to? My wife makes soap and I throw in a little beeswax every now and then. I have serveral recipes if anybody's interested. My wife sells hers at craft fairs and the like for $3.00 per bar. From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:19:10 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:15:18 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Jul 16 15:25:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp032.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <378fadb6.120851358@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19513 "Dave Barry" wrote: >I am doing a study project on beekeeping. It would involve the history, >techniques, the past and present technologies and the dangers that threaten >this craft. It would also make mention of the various means that different >cultures through the ages plied the craft. I would appreciate any titles, >authors or publishers names on the subject. "The Archaeology of Beekeeping" by Eva Crane (1983) may be a good book to start with. It describes techniques ranging from bee hunting several thousand years ago to the movable-framed hives of the last century. A description of some early American beekeeping equipment and methods is at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/history.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:35:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:30:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7mod9s$hlo$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932165756 18104 62.136.1.2 (16 Jul 1999 22:55:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:55:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19514 I would suggest that you contact IBRA - they have a web site - and you will be able to get all the material that you could possibly want. Dr Eva Crane, who was director of IBRA until recently, has written definitive works on the history of beekeeping. Dave Barry wrote in message <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default>... >I am doing a study project on beekeeping. It would involve the history, >techniques, the past and present technologies and the dangers that threaten >this craft. It would also make mention of the various means that different >cultures through the ages plied the craft. I would appreciate any titles, >authors or publishers names on the subject. >-- >Thank you >Dave Barry >Canada > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:35:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax in UK? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:26:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7mod9r$hlo$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <932149825.10326.0.nnrp-07.9e98338b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932165755 18104 62.136.1.2 (16 Jul 1999 22:55:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:55:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19515 Derrick Robinson wrote in message <932149825.10326.0.nnrp-07.9e98338b@news.demon.co.uk>... >Hi, > >Can anyone tell me of a reliable source of beeswax available in the UK. > >Processed from raw to flat to foundation sheets. > >I need very good quality. > >Thanks in advance, > >Derrick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Derrick You do not say if you are a beekeeper or why you need high quality wax. Probably the cheapest source of good foundation is Kemlea; they either sell foundation or accept wax as a straight trade-in for foundation with no money changing hands. I can give you further details if you need them - but if you are a beekeeper then I would have thought that you would have them as they are in all the beekeeping magazines and are at Stoneleigh every year. > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:35:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recipes for beeswax products Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:54:52 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7mod9t$hlo$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <378F8E8D.1DBE1E14@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932165757 18104 62.136.1.2 (16 Jul 1999 22:55:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 1999 22:55:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19516 John A. Taylor wrote in message <378F8E8D.1DBE1E14@digizen.net>... >I have more recipes for food products made with honey than I can shake a >hive tool at (my favorite is honey beer), but haven't seen many recipes >for beeswax products (e.g., furniture polish, hand creams). > >Does anybody have any they can post (or e-mail me), or a site they can >refer me to? >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- There is a wonderful little booklet called 'Polish and Shine' published by: The Women's Institute 39 Eccelston Street London SW1W 9NT It covers many things including polishes using beeswax. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:35:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:04:34 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7modvt$9m9$1@gxsn.com> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.165.46 X-Trace: 932166461 1NNUCNF1GA52EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19517 Just caught up with post Sorry Hugh Bad choice of words on my part I meant Would it be irreligious to use paraffin wax and not tell? Chris Hugh Tait wrote in message ... >Yes and damaging for those who sell pure beeswax . > >The fact that you asked means you suspect the same. The good news is your >concience is alive a well. > >hugh >Boschman Hughes Apiaries > > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message >news:7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com... >> Michael >> Would it be unethical to use paraffin wax and not tell? From maria.barella@tappharma.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beebee33 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Force used when bee punctures skin? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:26:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: maria.barella@tappharma.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.120.22.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 16 23:26:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [it] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.120.22.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeebee33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19518 I have been searching EVERYWHERE for the the answer to this question. Does anyone have any idea of the amount of force used by a bee and / or wasp to puncture the skin when they sting? Does anyone have any idea where I might learn this information? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-133.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: anyone near Denver want a swarm ? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:06:50 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990711145345.15723.00013217@ng-fp1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.85 X-Server-Date: 17 Jul 1999 00:11:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19519 In article <19990711145345.15723.00013217@ng-fp1.aol.com>, teeedle2@aol.com (Teeedle2) wrote: > hi, i have a swarm of honeybees im my tree and would like to find them a better > home. it is about soccer ball sized. i have been unable to find anyone who is > interested..... > any suggestions? ( we are in Denver suburbs, Littleton) > > thanks, > Teee > I'd be interested... are they still around? (I've been outta town on bidness.) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Jul 18 05:35:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Supplies Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 00:54:41 GMT References: <378F8CCE.74@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716205441.27055.00001443@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19520 For ill fitting finger joints in woodenware try this trick. Put them in the oven on a very low setting the wood will shrink a bit and the joints will slide together pretty smoothly. Some of the dado heads these hivemakers use are a tad off. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ad387@hwcn.org Sun Jul 18 05:35:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Force used when bee punctures skin? Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:01:35 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7moo6q$4ub$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.204 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19521 Hi: You may try contacting the International Bee Research Assoc. (IBRA). http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html From rhfjr81@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Rhfjr81) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Magazines Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 02:22:38 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716222238.23410.00001566@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19522 Could anyone recommend some good magazines to subscribe to for a new beekeeper??? Richard Flanagan Charlotte NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:21:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716232115.20178.00001898@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19523 >What does Kevin "Big" Johnson look like? > He's so good lookin that when he goes huntin he don't need a gun ! All he does is grin real big and they fall to the ground dead. He used to take his wife along but had to stop........... she tore up the birds too bad. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:24:17 GMT References: <378F8A5C.33F1@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716232417.20178.00001899@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19524 > No comparison and she makes >gooder than snuff sketty. forgot to get that recipie ta other day Don, can ya send it to me. everything cleaned up nice, bout 98 % frames worth saving, 99 1/2 % boxes waiting on the word for the others. oh btw, hurry up and talk that dog a yours into heat, today was flash's birthday and i've promised him a treat!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:30:16 GMT References: <7ml4ou$i2i$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19525 >How can I >follow or trace back bees to a wild source? catch ya a pile a bees, put em in a jar, put a bee sized hole in the lid watch one leave from ya flower, follow him far as ya can, let one a yourn outa the jar, keep on following him, pertty soon you'll see em go in somewhere. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:39:53 GMT References: <7mieu8$lcl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716233953.20178.00001907@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19526 >Last night I was given a hive with the following history: > probably a swarm apistan!!!!!!!!! menthol!!!!!!!!!!! terra patty !!!!!!!!!!!!! fumidil !!!!!!!!!!!!! Or boil out the entire mess in lye and start over. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Faecal attraction Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 03:46:09 GMT References: <378C9F7C.ED14D47C@worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990716234609.20178.00001909@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19527 >I am still trying to understand why bees are interested in manures. My >compost pile is fueled with > rotted horse manure, and the bees were fascinated Some a ya'll folks just tickle the hell outa me! As different horse and cattle feeds are usually supplimented with molasses or sourgum there will almost always be a bit of it that goes all the way home , so to speak Your bees are enjoying the thrill of digested sugars, don't worry it's all honey in the end. Course ya might wanna ask em to wipe their feet before entering the hive. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Amschelp@pe.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Amschel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <378F8A5C.33F1@earthlink.net> <19990716232417.20178.00001899@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Test. hee-hee Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.220 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 932184779 216.100.28.220 (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:12:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:12:59 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:17:53 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19528 Big Johnson's a poet, too, but he don't know it, but his feet show it, they're Longfellows. oh btw, hurry up and talk that dog a yours into heat, today was flash's > birthday and i've promised him a treat!!! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wanted bee hive Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:24:33 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7mq0bd$72b$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-73.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 932218029 7243 208.232.214.73 (17 Jul 1999 13:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:27:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19529 Just checking to see if anyone here, is near Missouri, and is willing to sell a two deep hive. I am willing to wait until your honey is extracted. also wondering what kind of bees you recommend for a hive, Italian, midnight, Carolina or others. I really dont know much about each, or there characteristics thanks From slovacek@mailexcite.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Slovacek" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Splitting Hive Question? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:55:27 -0500 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.150.74.163 Message-ID: <37900ba6.0@news.busprod.com> X-Trace: 17 Jul 1999 04:50:46 GMT, 207.150.74.163 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.154.138.15!news.busprod.com!207.150.74.163 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19530 This is my first year in beekeeping, I have two hives. One hive is extremely aggressive, and also noticed that they were short on space. I added another honey super, but this has not changed there temperment, or the hanging out on the front of the hive. I was considering spitting the hive with a new queen, and with part of the first super, taking two frames of brood to start another hive. Is there any problem of making three hives out of the one if I order queens for the other parts? Thanks, Mark Slovacek. From bud1941@webtv.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1895-37906EDE-1@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQrBJk/ZDzTAlKuf6GXy265aodi3AIUY0C3DZgLgn8QCY9CUZIY2GLx7wU= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19531 Dust them with a little powdered sugar and you will be able to see them better. BUD From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!216.17.128.8!newsfeed.frii.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted bee hive Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:03:18 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7mpv3h$6em$1@einstein.greenhills.net> References: <378F8CCE.74@earthlink.net> <19990716205441.27055.00001443@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-73.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 932216753 6614 208.232.214.73 (17 Jul 1999 13:05:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:05:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19532 Hello folks, I am looking for someone in Missouri, who is willing to sell a bee hive. Will wait until your honey is extracted. thanks also what bee's do you recommend, for a calm easy handling bunch. thanks preacher From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Information on queen cells Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:18:56 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7mq00p$77r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> References: <7U%i3.21$Xy.14284@ratbert.tds.net> <7mk5fg$a2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-73.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 932217689 7419 208.232.214.73 (17 Jul 1999 13:21:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:21:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19533 Hello, folks I have a newbie question for you. What does a queen cell look like? And out of a brood super, how much should be with brood vs honey? preacher From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:45:44 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7mq1ip$arr$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> <1895-37906EDE-1@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.22.157 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 932219289 11131 12.68.22.157 (17 Jul 1999 13:48:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 13:48:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19534 That's what I thought, Although my first thought was tie some white string on their butt and lead em back home like a dog... thanks for the advice. Gabe John Partin wrote in message <1895-37906EDE-1@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Dust them with a little powdered sugar and you will be able to see them better. BUD From h.tait@home.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com> <7modvt$9m9$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:15:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 932199315 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:15:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:15:15 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19535 I think if it was for your own personal use, it would not present a problem to adulterate it with a manmade wax,IMHO, but if you were to sell and represent the wax as pure it would be wrong. Then people who sell it have to prove their word is good. In regard to the questions asked re: bleaching wax here are some options I just looked up. Sun Bleaching - consisting of making thin ribbons of wax in water tank and laying out in the sun to bleach. Spraying the wax with water seems to speed the process up, but sometimes requires weeks. Maybe not practical ? Another method is to keep the wax liquid and circulating within a green house , this is supposed to be faster. It should be noted that sunbleaching allows most of the natural aroma to stay with the wax. I believe this is why solar melters are so often recommended, by people who use them Apparently Chilean and brazilian waxes can become nearly white a half inch below the surface after 24 hours in the sun. There is also Chemical bleaching using peroxides, but it requires a little more high tech and special safty equipment, ventalation fans etc. All things equal it is the bits of propolis, pollen, suspended particals, and staining from metals that cause the wax to discolour. Sun bleaching will not remove this, so it is important to remove and filter as much as poss >from the wax. Take all this with a grain of salt, I really just have enough knowledge to get by. Here is a good book if you are interested in Beeswax processing and production etc. BEESWAX By William l. Coggshall and Roger A. Morse Wicwas Press ISBN 1-878075-06-3 hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:7modvt$9m9$1@gxsn.com... > Just caught up with post > Sorry Hugh > Bad choice of words on my part > I meant > Would it be irreligious to use paraffin wax and not tell? > Chris > > Hugh Tait wrote in message ... > >Yes and damaging for those who sell pure beeswax . From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sun Jul 18 05:35:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Force used when bee punctures skin? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:19:46 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7mqhhu$cl1$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 932235646 12961 129.173.88.206 (17 Jul 1999 18:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 18:20:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19536 Not an easy task to find an answer to this question, because stinging in insects is not like pushing a needle into something. The stinger is made of different parts which are moving against each other. In fact, even a honey bee stinging apparatus without the bee, just stinger, muscles, nerves, and venoumblatter, is able to penetrate human skin. Good luck, and if you find an answer keep us informed. Cheers Ulli beebee33 wrote: > > I have been searching EVERYWHERE for the the answer to this question. > Does anyone have any idea of the amount of force used by a bee and / or > wasp to puncture the skin when they sting? Does anyone have any idea > where I might learn this information? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From johnbkpr@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: johnbkpr@aol.com (JOHNBKPR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Furniture Polish - was I'm Curious!!!! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jul 1999 20:16:29 GMT References: <378EA32E.1DCA@povn.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990717161629.28885.00001682@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19537 > sharing your furniture polish recipe and expand on >the subject of "other stuff?" Pleas Hi Skip: To post all the formulas here would be to long. Get the Book "Super Formulas" by Elain C. White, all the formulas you will ever need. John Celestial Offerings Northern RI From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: meeting others Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:28:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7mqosk$10ok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990715212749.28273.00000410@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932243156 33556 209.130.165.33 (17 Jul 1999 20:25:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 20:25:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19538 You are all welcome to stop by our honey house! :-) Yes...we JUST arrived back home from our state honey producers meeting! Good attendance...excellent speakers...good time for the whole family! You should check for your local/state beekeeping meetings--definately worth your time if you are serious about the business. Like I said before, you owe it to yourself and the industry (even if you keep one hive) to be aware of developments in the honey world! Discussions on the small hive beetle (quarantined states), U of MN breeder queen research, etc. USDA speaker cancelled due to ag crisis. Toured a No. MN beekeepers operation - new auto extracting line...picnic and entertainment followed. --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990715212749.28273.00000410@ngol01.aol.com>... >I don't no how long this newsgroup has been in existence but I was wondering if >beekeepers visit each other. >Not locally but over a considerable distance or as a travel incentive.. It >could also be a learning experience. Of course there would have to be some >prescreening and mutual agreement. > >Does or could this happen? > >Al > > > > From dan1@swns.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ31b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Williams" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,sebastopol.commerce,sumy.commerce,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.food,ukr.commerce.price-lists,ukr.commerce.transport References: <7mqnro$nnc$2@news.ktts.kharkov.ua> Subject: Re: ðáóôåòéúáôïò ÍÏÌÏËÁ ÜÌÅËÔÒÉÞÅÓËÉÊ What is this? Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.181.90 X-Trace: typ31b.nn.bcandid.com 932244152 205.232.181.90 (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:42:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:42:32 EDT Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:47:39 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:35682 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19539 sci.agriculture.poultry:12826 sci.agriculture.ratites:1509 What is this? Secret code or something? Fomin Ruslan wrote in message <7mqnro$nnc$2@news.ktts.kharkov.ua>... > >ðÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÔÏÒÙ ÍÏÌÏËÁ ÉÎÆÒÁËÒÁÓÎÙÅ. òÁÚÒÁÂÏÔËÁ èÁÒØËÏ×ÓËÏÇÏ ÉÎÓÔÉÔÕÔÁ >öÉ×ÏÔÎÏ×ÏÄÓÔ×Á. ÷ ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÅ ÐÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÃÉÉ ÐÒÏÉÓÈÏÄÉÔ ÏÂÅÚÚÁÒÁÖÉ×ÁÎÉÅ ÍÏÌÏËÁ × >ÐÏÔÏËÅ (ÔÕÂÅÒËÕÌÅÚ, ÂÒÕÃÅÌÌÅÚ, ÌÅÊËÏÚ). îÁ ÒÅÖÉÍÙ ÐÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÃÉÉ ÉÍÅÀÔÓÑ >ÒÁÚÒÅÛÅÎÉÑ íÉÎÉÓÔÅÒÓÔ×Á ÏÈÒÁÎÙ ÚÄÏÒÏ×ØÑ õËÒÁÉÎÙ É çÌÁ×ÎÏÇÏ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ >×ÅÔÅÒÉÎÁÒÎÏÊ ÍÅÄÉÃÉÎÙ Ó ÇÏÓ×ÅÔÉÎÓÐÅËÃÉÅÊ. ãÅÎÙ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÞÅÍ ËÏÎËÕÒÅÎÔÏÓÐÏÓÏÂÎÙ. >õÓÌÕÇÉ ÐÏÓÒÅÄÎÉËÏ× ÏÐÌÁÞÉ×ÁÀÔÓÑ. >úÁ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÐÏÄÒÏÂÎÏÊ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÅÊ ÏÂÒÁÝÁÊÔÅÓØ: >http://www.chat.ru/~pasteurization/paster.htm >pasteurization@chat.ru >(0572) 27-60-02, 95-35-05, 27-43-69, 33-59-86. > > > > > From dungn@rigel.oac.uci.edu Sun Jul 18 05:35:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!132.239.1.220!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!dungn From: Dzung Nguyen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any US native honey bee? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:57:25 -0700 Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19540 Is there any US native species of honey bee? Are they good in honey production compared to European honey bee? How about other honey bee species such as S.American bees, Asian bee? Do they produce honey too? From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sun Jul 18 05:35:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any US native honey bee? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:32:24 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7mr0bk$ljb$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 932250804 22123 129.173.88.206 (17 Jul 1999 22:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 22:33:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19541 All Apis mellifera are introduced to North America. In Central and South America are species of stingless bees. These bees live also in colonies and collect and store honey. They don't belong to the Apis group. In asia there are a couple of other Apis species ( less than 10 I think), like the giant honey bee Apis dorsata or Apis cerana. These are also used by humans to collect honey, but at least for most species it is more harvesting honey than real beekeeping. One reason for this is that some of the species are migratory and follow the rain season. This is pretty much the same situation with the South American bees. I am sure everybody knows the pictures from rain forrest docus were they show the native people eating honey from just found bee nests. However, you will find pretty good basic information about bees and other social insects in a book by E.O. Wilson "Insect societies". He shows the criteria for social insects and give fair information about the related groups of sub-social and semi-social insects. Cheers Ulli Dzung Nguyen wrote: > > Is there any US native species of honey bee? Are they good in honey > production compared to European honey bee? How about other honey bee > species such as S.American bees, Asian bee? Do they produce honey too? From chirp@flash.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37910C0A.70F1@flash.net> From: jane lytle Reply-To: chirp@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar water and bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:02:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.50.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 932252563 209.30.50.150 (Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:02:43 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:02:43 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19542 i have several hummingbird feeders that bees are around constantly. my question is: are the bees harmed by spending so much time and effort/energy eating sugar water? thanks for any information you can give me. jane From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 18 05:35:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:37:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7mr46e$rkk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ml4ou$i2i$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.technetium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932254734 28308 62.136.21.96 (17 Jul 1999 23:38:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 1999 23:38:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19543 I once read that you could trace wasps back to their nests by tying a piece of cotton around them and attaching a piece of cotton wool to the other end to make it easier to see and follow. I tried it (yes- I really did!) by getting a sodastream bottle, filling it with carbon dioxide and catching a wasp in it. Sure enough the wasp was anaethestised by the carbon dioxide and I tied the cotton loosely around the petiole (the bit that joins the thorax to the abdomen). Then I tied a small piece of cotton wool to the end and waited for the wasp to wake up. It did! Slowly, with much twitching it came around and then slowly took off. Unfortunately, it was a breezy day and it was carried into the apple tree next door, wrapping the cotton around a branch. End of experiment! Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com>... >>How can I >>follow or trace back bees to a wild source? > >catch ya a pile a bees, put em in a jar, put a bee sized hole in the lid > watch one leave from ya flower, follow him far as ya can, let one a yourn outa >the jar, keep on following him, pertty soon you'll see em go in somewhere. > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wanted bee hive Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:33:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7mr3t5$lm3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mq0bd$72b$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 17 23:33:57 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19544 Dennis, Hi. I would suggest that you contact a local beekeeper near you and arrange for him to start you with a smal colony or nuc next spring. In the meantime, read all you can find about beekeeping and talk with any beekeeper you can find. This will buy you some time to become more familiar with our fascinating interest. Starting with a small colony will cost you less and will help you gain knowledge and experience as you help them grow. Lots of Luck Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-233.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Force used when bee punctures skin? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:21:50 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.e9 X-Server-Date: 17 Jul 1999 17:24:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19545 In article <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, maria.barella@tappharma.com wrote: > I have been searching EVERYWHERE for the the answer to this question. > Does anyone have any idea of the amount of force used by a bee and / or > wasp to puncture the skin when they sting? Does anyone have any idea > where I might learn this information? > LOL! This is SO strange! Lying in bed last night, waiting for sleep, I was wondering the same damn thing! I swear! Now THAT's strange! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive Question? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:53:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7mr524$m0i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37900ba6.0@news.busprod.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 17 23:53:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19546 Mark, for beginners it is usually better to make only two colonies out of one, but for your experience, go ahead. Just remember that is pretty late in the season for making splits, so you may have to combine some to have a large enough colony to winter. Your problem may be how to find the queen of your colony. It would probably best to dispose of her if you can find her in order to change the temperament of the colony. Good Luck. Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there any problem of making three hives out > of the one if I order queens for the other parts? > > Thanks, > Mark Slovacek. > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie question? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:47:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mr4nd$ltn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <932131038.748.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 17 23:47:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19547 Bill, congratulations on getting started. "Hang down" cells indicate queen cells. I suggest that you get a beginners book and read up on queen cells and making splits. If you divide your one colony next spring, it would be a good learning experience. You would have to wait till queen cells are made in getting ready to swarm, and that would be too risky. I would suggest that you learn about splitting and order a good queen for the new part. Don't overdo it. Make only one split from your one colony. LotsaLuck Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water and bees Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:13:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7mr67h$mag$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37910C0A.70F1@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 18 00:13:42 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19548 > i have several hummingbird feeders that bees are around constantly. my question is: are the bees harmed by spending so much time and > effort/energy eating sugar water? thanks for any information you can > give me. jane >----------------------------------------- Jane, unless the Hbird feed has extra things added, the sugar water will not harm them even though it is a little weak for bee feed. Mostly it sounds like you do not have a honey flow in your area right now. Bees prefer working flowers in the field instead of taking the sugar water. Same principle as "robbing" being largely confined to times when there is no honey flow in the field. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not a good thing... Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:08:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7mr5ta$m7k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mi2gq$ra6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990714134207.20175.00000145@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 18 00:08:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19549 > It's a good idea to keep a spare bottom board around to set supers on. this > gives a little clearance and reduces the chance of this type of accident. A > feeder rim or emtpy shallow hull can substitute. Lacking these, I generally stand the supers on end, rather than set them flat. I won't ever set a super flat on the ground, either, and helpers who do, will get into deep doo doo. I don't like pine straw, grass, and sand adhering to the bottom of my frames. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave, I fully agree with not setting supers on the ground. Your idea of a bottom board is fine, too. One advantage of telescoping covers is that they make a convenient place to park supers. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Magazines Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 01:39:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7mrb99$nng$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990716222238.23410.00001566@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.86 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 18 01:39:54 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.86 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19550 Hi Richard, For beginners, I am partial to "Bee Culture" published by A.I. Root Co. For many years it was named "Gleanings in Bee Culture". It still carries most articles of practical application. "American Bee Journal" by Dadant is good, but tends toward the deeper side (research etc.) Pete ----------------------------------------------------------- > Could anyone recommend some good magazines to subscribe to for a new > beekeeper??? > > Richard Flanagan Charlotte NC > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Jul 18 05:35:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive Question? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 18 Jul 1999 03:05:44 GMT References: <7mr524$m0i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990717230544.20178.00002254@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19551 One of the thigns I've read in the books (Richard Bonney's I think) is that the bigger a colony gets, the more aggressive it gets. A hive with 60,000-80,000 bees may seem to have a much different temperament than a recently established colony of package bees that is only 10,000 strong. I've noticed that my biggest most successful hive this season seems more ornery than the others. Everybody seems to automatically recommend requeening to improve temperament, but in doing so you could merely be killing your best, most productive queen. JM From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:42:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <37913F1E.6D202F@valley.net> References: <378F41C3.D33525D6@worldnet.att.net> <19990716103603.18173.00001168@ng-ft1.aol.com> <7mnorj$2qi$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-112.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19552 George Styer wrote: > Not normally a tree-hugger but this is pathetic. > > This whole tread has degraded from it origins. What was a single bear visit > to 1 hobbyist hive in 3 years in rural NH has become a problem bear causing > thousands of $ loss to commercial operators and skunks with rabies. There > has not been any follow-up from Bill that the bear ever returned. > greetings, i've sort of been holding my breath these past few nights, waiting to see if the fence would work. the first night, my dog got very weird again, but i did not see anything by the hives [might have been too late]. there was a very strong musk-like smell that permeated the house a few minutes later that dissipated after about a half an hour or so. don't know if bears musk or not outside of territory marking. maybe this one got zapped and let loose? anyway, it's been 4 nights and no additional damage. the fence looks kind of funky in my backyard, but it's a small price to pay to keep bears from bees in a relatively non-violent way. tomorrow, i'll check the hive to see if it's queenright [assuming the temp doesn't break 100 again.] the hive seems pretty calm right now, as does the other one. hopefully, they've repaired most of the internal damage. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jul 18 05:35:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news.ndh.net!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ðáóôåòéúáôïò ÍÏÌÏËÁ ÜÌÅËÔÒÉÞÅÓËÉÊ What is this? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:03:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <3791440A.A15F06D0@valley.net> References: <7mqnro$nnc$2@news.ktts.kharkov.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-112.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19553 Daniel Williams wrote: > What is this? Secret code or something? > > Fomin Ruslan wrote in message <7mqnro$nnc$2@news.ktts.kharkov.ua>... > > > >ðÁÓÔÅÒÉÚÁÔÏÒÙ ÍÏÌÏËÁ ÉÎÆÒÁËÒÁÓÎÙÅ. òÁÚÒÁÂÏÔËÁ > >úÁ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÐÏÄÒÏÂÎÏÊ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÅÊ ÏÂÒÁÝÁÊÔÅÓØ: > >http://www.chat.ru/~pasteurization/paster.htm > >pasteurization@chat.ru > >(0572) 27-60-02, 95-35-05, 27-43-69, 33-59-86. > it's written in the cyrillic alphabet, which your emial client doesn't read. >from the header you can see that the author is from kharkov, ukraine, or thereabouts. also, the website he references ends in 'ru', so it is a russian site. i have cyrillic fonts on my system and, believe me, it doesn't look much better. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive Question? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:36:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7msah9$1dt6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7mr524$m0i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990717230544.20178.00002254@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-67.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932293993 47014 209.130.165.67 (18 Jul 1999 10:33:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 1999 10:33:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19554 JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990717230544.20178.00002254@ng-da1.aol.com>... >Everybody seems to automatically recommend requeening to improve temperament, >but in doing so you could merely be killing your best, most productive queen. >JM Possibly...but even those queens get old and less productive. We requeen everyone of our hives each spring. Be sure to get good queens. --Busybee From murray@albany.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Murray Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jar Labels Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:32:15 -0400 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3791BB3E.73BC8EF1@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5p38.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19555 Hello, Does anyone have any experience with a commerical printer for honey jar labels? I'm going to be putting my honey in the Classic 1 lb. glass jars and would like a custom label. I know that I can use pre-printed label with a stamp, but would rather design my own label. Any suggestions would be helpful. Please respond directly to my e-mail. Thanks! Jim Murray murray@albany.net From allnatt@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Allnatt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: uncapping frames for extraction Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:15:03 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7mt93v$2q5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.172.100 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 932325311 2885 12.78.172.100 (18 Jul 1999 19:15:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 1999 19:15:11 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19556 Michel I normally use a long serated bread knife for uncapping. It neatly slices off the caps with no problem. As a side note my wife harvested the honey this year while I was out of town. She couldn't remember what we used last year and decided to try a large blunt edged spatula. Needless to say it ruined most of my comb, left the wax and honey in about a 50/50 mixture in the tank, and only got about 70% of the honey out of the frames. I guess I wouldn't recommend using a spatula. Tom Michel Crichton wrote in message news:0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... > Hi all, > > Well after following suggestions from this group this season I have been > rewarded with quite a crop of honey. Thanks to all. I am about to extract > for the first time this weekend and I am looking for suggestions on > techniques that will speed up the process and reduce waste at the same time. > > Mainly I am looking for ideas on uncapping filled frames. My friend who I > am keeping the hives for use to use an electrically heated knife but he says > that it tends to give the honey a burnt taste sometimes. He now just uses a > fork to puncture all the caps before putting the frames in the extractor. > However when he uses this fork technique, a lot of cappings get extracted > with the honey and can clog the filter quickly. > > I have read that a steam heated knife works well for uncapping. Is this > true? Any drawbacks? > > If anyone else has any other suggestions ideas on uncapping or the general > extracting procedure, let me know before the weekend. I want it to proceed > as smoothly and quickly as possible. > > > > Thanks in advance and I'll let you know how it went on Monday. > > Mich > > From hutchiso@ccp.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moisture content of honey Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: CCP Online Message-ID: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> Cache-Post-Path: super.ccp.com!unknown@dialup40-1.ccp.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:45:17 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 932335694 207.193.195.8 (Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:08:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:08:14 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19557 Is there any way other than a refractometer to measure the moisture content of honey. I don't want to risk having the honey spoil, but hate to spend the money unless it is absolutely necessary. Lowell Hutchison hutchiso@ccp.com From nopcme@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Napthalene Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 00:59:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19558 Does anyone know if Napthlene is acceptable to use when storing empty dry supers for the winter-to prevent wax moths? Thanx, Jim Pickett From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:50:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7mtu7t$o86$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19559 nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) wrote: >Does anyone know if Napthlene is acceptable to use when storing empty dry >supers for the winter-to prevent wax moths? >Thanx, >Jim Pickett As far as I know para-diochlorobenzene (Para moth) is the only labeled product in the US. I am not sure that even it is labeled in all states. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:52:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7mtubo$o86$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19560 "Lowell & Diane Hutchison" wrote: >Is there any way other than a refractometer to measure the moisture content >of honey. I don't want to risk having the honey spoil, but hate to spend >the money unless it is absolutely necessary. >Lowell Hutchison >hutchiso@ccp.com You can turn the jar upside down and time the bubble. Slow is good, fast is bad. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:54:31 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mu0bj$1ops$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932349107 58172 209.130.165.34 (19 Jul 1999 01:51:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 01:51:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19561 If you only extract capped honey - it should be of the right moisture levels providing you extract it in a non-humid environment and get it into covered jars soon. --Busybee Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com>... >Is there any way other than a refractometer to measure the moisture content >of honey. I don't want to risk having the honey spoil, but hate to spend >the money unless it is absolutely necessary. > >Lowell Hutchison >hutchiso@ccp.com > > From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:12:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37928977.48C2@midwest.net> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> <7mu0bj$1ops$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:29:09 GMT X-Trace: 932351349.961.98 JF3D7GB4M1C1ED0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19562 busybee wrote: > > If you only extract capped honey - it should be of the right moisture levels > providing you extract it in a non-humid environment Then you'd better not be living in the midwest...(USA) AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 03:53:26 GMT References: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990718235326.14246.00001756@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19563 > >Does anyone know if Napthlene is acceptable to use when storing empty dry >supers for the winter-to prevent wax moths? >Thanx, > nope dude para di chloro benzene is the ticket ! a cheap source is urinal cakes, the ones with the little hangers on them work great. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jar Labels Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 03:55:51 GMT References: <3791BB3E.73BC8EF1@albany.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990718235551.14246.00001759@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19564 >Does anyone have any experience with a commerical printer for honey jar >labels? I'm goi I use a HP Desk jet, no worries 722c to be exact Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 03:59:19 GMT References: <37913F1E.6D202F@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990718235919.14246.00001760@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19565 > there was a very >strong musk-like smell that permeated the house a few minutes later that >dissipated after about a half hehehehheeeeeeee hahahahahaaaaaa well ya definately shocked the sh-t outa something!!!!!!!!!!!! hohohohohohoho, hheheeeeee I just gotta print this one!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-140.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:28:50 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <7ml4ou$i2i$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> <7mr46e$rkk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8c X-Server-Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:33:29 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19566 In article <7mr46e$rkk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I once read that you could trace wasps back to their nests by tying a piece > of cotton around them and attaching a piece of cotton wool to the other end > to make it easier to see and follow. > > I tried it (yes- I really did!) by getting a sodastream bottle, filling it > with carbon dioxide and catching a wasp in it. Sure enough the wasp was > anaethestised by the carbon dioxide and I tied the cotton loosely around the > petiole (the bit that joins the thorax to the abdomen). Then I tied a small > piece of cotton wool to the end and waited for the wasp to wake up. It did! > > Slowly, with much twitching it came around and then slowly took off. > Unfortunately, it was a breezy day and it was carried into the apple tree > next door, wrapping the cotton around a branch. > > End of experiment! > LOL! Now THAT's enterprising! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-140.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:32:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> <19990718235326.14246.00001756@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8c X-Server-Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:36:45 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19567 In article <19990718235326.14246.00001756@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > para di chloro benzene is the ticket ! > a cheap source is urinal cakes, the ones with the little hangers on them work > great. > Kevin, I'm gonna TRY not to think of where you might get those on the cheap... Trying... TRYING!... DAMN! It didn't work! ROTFLMAO! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-140.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RDGirls Swarming??? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:34:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.8c X-Server-Date: 19 Jul 1999 04:39:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19568 Hey... I think y'all know this is my first year keeping 'em... All's going great... local mentor sez I'll have more bees and more honey than I know what to do with before the season's out... BUT... Front of the hive nearly covered with bees... found a couple of queen cells on the frames... They SHOULD have plenty of room... just put on a medium super for honey the other day... atop two deeps for brood... and they're getting comb drawn and honey up in there... Are they getting ready to swarm? If so, any home-grown advice? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 05:20:06 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19569 >para di chloro benzene is the ticket ! >> a cheap source is urinal cakes, the ones with the little hangers on them >work >> great. >> > >Kevin, I'm gonna TRY not to think of where you might get those on the chea compare price of 1.29- 3.00 for a box of para moth balls to .48 - .65 for 99.9% para already on a hanger, most grocery stores carry both you figure out the rest. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bobpursley@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 12:52:43 GMT References: <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990719085243.28272.00001188@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19570 In article <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) writes: > >compare price of 1.29- 3.00 for a box of para moth balls >to .48 - .65 for 99.9% para already on a hanger, most grocery stores carry >both >you figure out the rest. > One thing that must be considered: PDB at stores often have an insecticide included (read the label), that will absorb in the wax, then kill insects including bees for a long time. For stored supers, one needs to use PDB crystals without added insecticide. I got burned a long time ago buying PDB at Kmart, and used it. I didnt read the label, and my bees were killed. With just PDB, you can air out the supers for a day, and they are clear, but with added insecticde, airing it out isnt enought. Be carefyl on store bought PDB. bob From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:24:49 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.80 X-Server-Date: 19 Jul 1999 13:29:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19571 In article <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >para di chloro benzene is the ticket ! > >> a cheap source is urinal cakes, the ones with the little hangers on them > >work > >> great. > >> > > > >Kevin, I'm gonna TRY not to think of where you might get those on the chea > > compare price of 1.29- 3.00 for a box of para moth balls > to .48 - .65 for 99.9% para already on a hanger, most grocery stores carry both > you figure out the rest. KJ: No, mon... I'm thinking... the REALLY cheap place to find urinal cakes... (I'm just being silly here... nevermind...) ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NC Beekeeping Convention Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Jul 1999 13:24:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990719092436.07857.00000038@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19572 Looking for a ride to Hickory Nxt wekend to the convention. anybody give me a lift ??? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From drgonfly@ultranet.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sprinklers and bee hives Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:11:59 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7mvf32$7de$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: /+S36yG/NYtDSvbhG7RHNaUH+gS1Ub2qCaOqiPfIiqM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 15:09:22 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19573 Hi folks. Does anyone have an opinion as to whether sprinklers will hurt bees if placed too near the hive. I am not worried so much about water getting into the hive as I am about the bees having to fly through the water droplets. Marc Andelman From jwbosma@knoware.nl Wed Jul 21 21:59:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!zonnetje.nl.net!not-for-mail From: "Jan Willem Bosma" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Searching for Dutch farmers who emigrated Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:09:22 +0200 Organization: Knoware Message-ID: <932397802.903572@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.knoware.nl X-Trace: zonnetje.NL.net 932397802 6221 195.64.48.20 (19 Jul 1999 15:23:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@nl.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 15:23:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Cache-Post-Path: news.knoware.nl!unknown@dynaisdna9-17.knoware.nl X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19574 Hi, I'm looking for Dutch people (farmers) who are emigrated from The Netherlands to another country. If you know Duch people outside the Netherlands please ask them to fill in our question list. I am investigating how Dutch people arrange their insurances when they move abroad. So if you moved recently to a country outside The Netherlands please take a minute to fill in our investigation form at: Thanks! http://www.knoware.nl/users/jwbosma/Enquete.html Aan iedereen die definitief geëmigreerd is of nog gaat emigreren. Ik ben bezig met een onderzoek naar hoe mensen die definitief naar het buitenland vertrekken hun verzekeringen regelen. Daarom wil ik iedereen die dit aangaat vriendelijk verzoeken om onze enquête in te vullen op bovenstaand internet adres. Ik wil u bij voorbaat danken. From drgonfly@ultranet.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee saturated areas Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:14:05 -0400 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7mvf6v$85s$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: Ard8qhJJzGeqRbWJEiMMitqj8uGv2girzrKVVJDeekM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 15:11:27 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19575 Are there parts of the world where there are so many bee keepers that the area can become "saturated" with too many bees. Marc Andelman From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!news-europe.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:12:43 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 932378963 13700 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19576 >I am doing a study project on beekeeping. It would involve the history, >techniques, the past and present technologies and the dangers that threaten >this craft. It would also make mention of the various means that different >cultures through the ages plied the craft. I would appreciate any titles, >authors or publishers names on the subject. You could try my (very partial) web site about Tudor and Medieaval beekeeping: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/skepFAQ/ Mind you, it does need updating... -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From renfrow@skylands.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news3.giganews.com.POSTED!ip-70.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Message-ID: References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:57:13 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-UP5tDi4tAGwxwjISlpVPoBtlM4SB1QWGMCLkRjK9Q4EF6udzObcOlZso+UqJBZeUeyEpL5PPTRQOA82!ZiU5/oeORBE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:46 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19577 In article <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default>, "Dave Barry" wrote: > I am doing a study project on beekeeping. It would involve the history, > techniques, the past and present technologies and the dangers that threaten > this craft. It would also make mention of the various means that different > cultures through the ages plied the craft. I would appreciate any titles, > authors or publishers names on the subject. > -- > Thank you > Dave Barry > Canada Try "Natural History" by Pliny the Elder, c. 77 A.D., H. Rackham, ed., Harvard Univ. Press, 1938, also reprinted 1983. HTH, Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ From divedonn@erols.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Donn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for displaying Frame of Honey Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:47:27 -0700 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <379372BF.1585@erols.com> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 1Ucn3IqpcJDwerphuvuzp2HlVP/Sdj2YXKkVVmNGa9A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 16:09:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19578 I am in need of plans to build a frame display box. I am going to enter honey in State & Local Fairs and the others I have seen have a very nice display box. Any plans or websites with such would be appreciated. From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleaching Wax Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:11:42 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: <4KH3KCAu6ek3Ewj7@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <7mcobl$9dm$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <7mfk2h$jef$2@gxsn.com> <7modvt$9m9$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932406272 nnrp-13:29514 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19579 In article <7modvt$9m9$1@gxsn.com>, Christopher Dainton writes >I meant >Would it be irreligious to use paraffin wax and not tell? >Chris ost altar candles are now only 51% beeswax. See: http://www.apiary2.freeserve.co.uk and follow link to waxfax for more wax info. -- Tom From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comments on Maxant uncapping plane anybody??? Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:08:18 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932407724 209.69.69.120 (Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:08:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:08:44 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19580 My electric knife is dead- I am debating what type of knife to buy to replace it. Steam, electric, What brand? I have seen ads for the Maxant uncapping plane- a neat looking device with a replaceable heating element. The shape looks like it might be easier on the wrist than the traditional knife. Anybody used one? Any recommendations based on personal experience? thanks! Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7mvf32$7de$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: sprinklers and bee hives Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:31:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932408847 209.69.69.106 (Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:27:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:27:27 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19581 Turning on a srinkler in an apiary is a great way to calm down over excited hives and stop robbing. The bees in the air are wetted and return home or drop to the ground, and the ones at home are reluctant to leave. Calms things down quickly. Ellen From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!Gamma.RU!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RDGirls Swarming??? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:38:37 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 44 Message-ID: <37932A5D.1126232B@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: xeLQ1y53fwbsh3fDfVUUrbFcLImfdtE48oKTaBKKxbI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 13:38:39 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19582 > I think y'all know this is my first year keeping 'em... Yup... me too. I know that more experienced people will weigh in here, but in case you're up monitoring news, I'll say what I've heard before. At least you'll collect more info for when the experts ask. > All's going great... local mentor sez I'll have more bees and more honey > than I know what to do with before the season's out... Awesome! > BUT... > > Front of the hive nearly covered with bees... found a couple of queen > cells on the frames... > > They SHOULD have plenty of room... just put on a medium super for honey > the other day... atop two deeps for brood... and they're getting comb > drawn and honey up in there... > > Are they getting ready to swarm? Don't know... it may be getting late in the year for that. > If so, any home-grown advice? Ask your mentor to maybe come over for a look. Are the queen cells on the bottom or in the middle? Bottom == swarm; middle == supercedure. Is there an egg/larvae in the cells? Is it capped? If no to both, you're probably ok. I don't recall where you are, but here in Massachusetts, it's been 90-100 and humid this week, and there are lots of bees outside my hives too - I've been told some just get out of the hive to make room for air circulation, and some fan their wings to ventilate the hive. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Treatment Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:04:53 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7mvt2l$skt$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.140.169 X-Trace: 932411285 1NNUCNF1G8CA9C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19583 Hello All I've read of a beekeeper who treats his bees at Christmas with amitraz providing the temp is over 10 degrees centigrade I treat with Bayvarol in August for 6 weeks as does this beekeeper He asserts that since there is a +ACI-no brood+ACI- period at this time he gets a 100+ACU- kill rate with a 2 day treatment Sounds good to me when you think of what 2 or 3 mites at this time can increase to in the summer+ACE- Has anyone tried this? I'm in the UK Cheers Chris (2N. 51E) I see one of our ng adds longlat. Seems a useful idea+ACE- From Link-Rob@webtv.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Link-Rob@webtv.net (Rob Collier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MAKE A LOT OF MONEY FAST AND EASY Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6221-37935DAF-29@newsd-281.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAnGWmgIVSlFNMBrN5HC47e2v4YskCFQCTggb0TxV5m7HTrydEsmiB2JuWGg== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19584 If you would like to learn how to make money fast and easy the go to: http://community.webtv.net/Link-Rob/HOWTOMAKEALOTOF From sagehill@my-deja.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I got the swarm - but where's the queen Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:46:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 19 17:46:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsagehill Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19585 I picked up a swarm July 11 - classic ball of bees on a branch 1 foot off the ground. Put them in a super with 2 drawn frames and eight frames with foundation only. I checked them on July 17 and found that four of the frames are nicely built up, and they are storing lots of honey. However, there is no brood, and no sign of a queen. What can i do to determine if there is a queen there or not? I'm concerned that a colony with no queen may develop laying workers or develop some other problem. If I could determine that no queen exists, I could merge the swarm with another colony, or drop in a brood frame from another hive. Any suggestions out there? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dvisrael@earthlink.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:06:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com> To: Charles Stretch Ledford X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 19 Jul 1999 20:10:05 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Jul 19 13:15:07 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 31 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust164.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3793854A.6ED2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19586 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > In article <19990719012006.14250.00001994@ng-fm1.aol.com>, > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > >para di chloro benzene is the ticket ! > > >> a cheap source is urinal cakes, the ones with the little hangers on them > > >work > > >> great. > > >> > > > > > >Kevin, I'm gonna TRY not to think of where you might get those on the chea > > > > compare price of 1.29- 3.00 for a box of para moth balls > > to .48 - .65 for 99.9% para already on a hanger, most grocery stores > carry both > > you figure out the rest. > > KJ: > > No, mon... I'm thinking... the REALLY cheap place to find urinal cakes... > > (I'm just being silly here... nevermind...) ;) > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Cheap is as cheap does. Get them out of urinals at the local shopping center or use the registered crystals that work. From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recipes for beeswax products Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:50:25 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7mvvpg$304@news1.snet.net> References: <378F8E8D.1DBE1E14@digizen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh15-port21.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19587 John A. Taylor wrote in message <378F8E8D.1DBE1E14@digizen.net>... >hive tool at (my favorite is honey beer), but haven't seen many recipes >for beeswax products (e.g., furniture polish, hand creams). A recent issue of Bee Culture had a recipie for beeswax hand cream. I don't have the issue handy (though I'll try to find it and post it soon) but it is approximately 1/4 c Almond Oil 1 Tbsp Honey 1 Tbsp Beeswax, shaved Heat oil and honey, stirring until it dissolves. Add shaved wax, stir until it disolves and is well mixed. Remove from heat and stir until it starts to thicken. Pour into small jars. I have not made this myself, but it sounded good. I know Almond oil is rather viscous, so I would not suggest substituting a different oil without expecting to add more wax and change the consistency of the resulting cream. Almond oil is available in gourmet food shops, and in "bath and body" type shops - it is used in cooking and for massage, so it's a natural to pair with bee products. I'd like to see your soap recipies (or perhaps just your favorite 1 or 2). From CVSoderquist@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: Charles Soderquist Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:26:55 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3793A62F.15DE@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.90.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 932422802 10616 12.74.90.107 (19 Jul 1999 22:20:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 22:20:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19588 Nopcme wrote: > > Does anyone know if Napthlene is acceptable to use when storing empty dry > supers for the winter-to prevent wax moths? > Thanx, > Jim Pickett WalMart sells paradichlorobenzene as WalMart Moth Ice Crystals. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:06:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7n0b9n$hov$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932425847 18207 62.136.5.149 (19 Jul 1999 23:10:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:10:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19589 Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com>... >Is there any way other than a refractometer to measure the moisture content >of honey. I don't want to risk having the honey spoil, but hate to spend >the money unless it is absolutely necessary. > >Lowell Hutchison >hutchiso@ccp.com > >--------------------------------------------------------- The simple answer is probably no! The complex answer is that whilst some of the advice posted will work some of the time, at others it will not. There are several reasons why they can be unreliable. Be careful not to confuse viscosity with water content - whilst viscosity will increase or decrease with water content, different honies have naturally differing viscosities at the same water content, e.g. lime (tilia) has a low viscosity even when the water content is low and may shake out of the comb when the honey is actually safe to extract, whereas - at the other extreme - I have seen heather (calluna) honey with 25% water which would definitely not shake out. Temperature will affect the viscosity. The bubble test is, of course, affected by temperature and viscosity so will only work for a known honey at a known temperature. Even refractometers are affected by temperature and are usually (in the UK at least) calibrated to 20C. The humidity at the time that the bees are processing the honey will affect the final water content - we have just had a fantastic 3 weeks here with the best July flow that I have seen in 18 years with hot (25-29C), humid weather with little wind. Many colonies have put away 100 -150 lbs. in that time. However, I have tonight checked honey that I have brought in for extracting and find that some frames that are fully sealed have 20% moisture; yet frames from the same super with uncapped honey has the same 20% - and none of it can be shaken from the comb. Other supers show around 18% - colonies do vary in their efficiency in removing water. Before you ask - I have taken the honey off because I need to clear the colonies ready to go to the heather moors and I will reduce the water content by stacking the supers staggered in the honey house with a blow heater circulating warm air for a day or two; this will reduce the moisture to 18% which will be fine as it will not ferment and can be blended with other honey to produce whatever moisture I require. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I got the swarm - but where's the queen Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:37:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7n0b9m$hov$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932425846 18207 62.136.5.149 (19 Jul 1999 23:10:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:10:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19590 sagehill@my-deja.com wrote in message <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > >I picked up a swarm July 11 - classic ball of bees on a branch 1 foot >off the ground. Put them in a super with 2 drawn frames and eight frames >with foundation only. > >I checked them on July 17 and found that four of the frames are nicely >built up, and they are storing lots of honey. However, there is no >brood, and no sign of a queen. > ------------------------------------------------- The classic answer is to add a frame of very young larvae from another colony - if they are queen less they will start building queen cells. However, I would firstly look at the bees - if they are queenless then you will see bees standing on the combs and scenting, cells will be dull inside rather than polished ready for the queen to lay. It possible (or even likely) that at this stage of the season you have picked up a mating swarm with a young queen - give her another week and see what happens. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 21:59:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Napthalene Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:06:51 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7n0b9o$hov$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-21.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 932425848 18207 62.136.5.149 (19 Jul 1999 23:10:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:10:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19591 Nopcme wrote in message <19990718205910.25266.00001472@ng-ce1.aol.com>... >Does anyone know if Napthlene is acceptable to use when storing empty dry >supers for the winter-to prevent wax moths? >Thanx, >Jim Pickett ----------------------------------- Definitely not! From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I got the swarm - but where's the queen Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19365-3793B23D-5@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhROygdEc6WxaE2lsB08jendU8JvTgIUH7QxUuclJq6VCU7/zeukuPO0umI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19592 The same thing happened to me a few weeks back. I captured the swarm on 6-14. After nine days, no signs of a laying queen so I took a frame of capped and uncapped brood with bees on from two different hives and placed them in the swarm hive. I checked a few days later and saw signs of queen cell building. I ordered a new NWC queen, scraped, the cells and got my queen two days later in the mail. On 7-1 I introduced the cage after cutting out q-cells again. On 7-3, the workers looked like they would accept her so I opened the queen cage. I checked last week and all stages of brood present. This week I will check for new bees. The swarm I got was Italian so there should be a few more dark bees. From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MAKE A LOT OF MONEY FAST AND EASY Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19364-3793B338-13@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6221-37935DAF-29@newsd-281.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmZcyHqJRTx7Mi9xvXPFl9bHF3CcCFDVYBx6YMf3xr18psNh+mCCFpClq Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19593 Beekeepers don't make money fast and easy do they? From beeman221@my-deja.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I'm Curious!!!! Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:15:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <7n0f3a$cfb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 20 00:15:49 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.105.166.3 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman221 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19594 In article <7me84h$q9i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > May I ask a favor? > > I'm interested in knowing how or what is it that you (anyone reading who > decides to respond) decided to get into bees? I'd like to know how many > hives you keep...how long you have been keeping them and your thoughts as to > is it what you expected? > > Just curious and TIA, > Busybee This is a little on the late side Lydia but a very Happy Birthday to you all the way from Scotland.By the by I already know 2 Lydias Mother and daughter! As for bees, well there's a thing. I got married and one evening we were talking about family history as you do, and Moira, my wife, said that her granny had kept bees and during WW2 had had folk waiting in line all the way down the hill (50yds) and round the corner for her honey. Now this lady was a migratory beekeeper who didn't drive! She would take the bus to go and super the hives. Well the bees were on the raspberries and it was time to extract. The family rallied round and took a small van to run back and forward with the supers of honey and a big van to extract in. All went well and 200 odd pounds of honey were in the tank. The sticky crew came home, parked the van nose down the hill and had a well deserved cup of tea. Well you can guess the rest, the valve had opened and the van was awash, down as far as the clutch pedal which was submerged. Blue clouds from angry voices filled the street. Granny Findlay said "It's all right the bees will sort this" so they took the mess back to the bees and sure enough although the weather was dismal (fog and drizzle) they cleaned it all up except for the honey in the tool box as they couldn't get at it. However they did get all the honey out of the blankets!! Well I was amazed and after a years study of the books we got our first hive. A path I sincerely recomend to the newbies. Thats three paragraphs deleted, summerised by READ THE BOOKS. We now have not enough colonies although we have had 100 odd. Lastly well done Lydia for knowing her numbers, a vital issue for a beeperson.... 3,5,8,etc!!! > > P.S. My daugher wants to enter the number on the keypad that is her new > age...to let everyone know it is her birthday...ok, Lydia, press the > number.....5 TaDa! Thanks for reading ! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee saturated areas Message-ID: References: <7mvf6v$85s$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.143 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 932430933 216.100.28.143 (Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:35:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:35:33 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:40:30 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19595 That's a definite "yes". Bee Bob was just complaining last month about a new beekeeper who has placed hives near his long-time bee pasture. In article <7mvf6v$85s$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, drgonfly@ultranet.com says... > Are there parts of the world where there are so many bee keepers > that the area can become "saturated" with too many bees. > > Marc Andelman > > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Splitting Hive Question? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:11:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3793BEAA.DC54D77@valley.net> References: <7mr524$m0i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990717230544.20178.00002254@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19596 JMitc1014 wrote: > One of the thigns I've read in the books (Richard Bonney's I think) is that the > bigger a colony gets, the more aggressive it gets. A hive with 60,000-80,000 > bees may seem to have a much different temperament than a recently established > colony of package bees that is only 10,000 strong. I've noticed that my biggest > most successful hive this season seems more ornery than the others. > Everybody seems to automatically recommend requeening to improve temperament, > but in doing so you could merely be killing your best, most productive queen. > JM greetings, i wonder if there is a true increase in aggressiveness, or just the appearance of same? for example, if a colony of 10,000 bees has a half dozen or so of the more aggressive 'veil bouncer' defenders and a colony of 50,000 has 30 or more, won't it seem to be more aggressive, just because there are 5x's as many in-yer-face bees? in absolute terms it will be more aggressive, but relative to the smaller colony it is of the same level. also, the cloud of bees that will rise up as a result of jostling the super or dropping the corner of a frame will be many times larger in the big colony with louder buzzing, more bee landings on beekeeper, etc. a scarier thing to deal with, for sure, for someone new to the process. as my colonies have grown, i would not rate them as more aggressive. there are just more bees with which to deal. and that first season, as my first colony grew, yikes, it was impressive and a little scary, too. just a thought. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:34:04 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <3793C3FC.B6CC7614@valley.net> References: <37913F1E.6D202F@valley.net> <19990718235919.14246.00001760@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: Hk1BeeMan Lines: 46 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19597 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > there was a very > >strong musk-like smell that permeated the house a few minutes later that > >dissipated after about a half > > hehehehheeeeeeee > hahahahahaaaaaa > well ya definately shocked the sh-t outa something!!!!!!!!!!!! > > hohohohohohoho, hheheeeeee > I just gotta print this one!!!!!!!!! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC well, golllllllly. glad you find my experience unbearably funny. seriously, this 'odor' was less like bear poop [not that i've smelled much of that in my time], than like something had crawled inside my house and died. i actually checked under the bed to be sure that one of the squirrels that got into my attic didn't crawl under there and croak. i know that the musk of some mammals is pretty raunchy, hence my guess. didn't see any piles around the fence when i checked the next day, either. on a more positive note, i checked the hives yesterday [nothing like suiting up when it's 95 degrees out]. the one that was attacked is recovering nicely. they've repaired/rebuilt most of the damaged comb [except for the frames i had to replace], and i even found the queen! that made me very happy, considering i had just requeened both colonies only 3 weeks earlier. btw, the queen in the other colony is laying some of the prettiest patterns i've seen in my limited experience. really solid and full, just like in the books. i bought buckfast queens from rick neilson of the ontario bee breeder's association. thought i'd try a queen that was bred in a climate similar to mine [new hampshire]. if these queens hold up through next spring, then i think i've found my queen supplier. score one for canada. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From butlers@cedar-rapids.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Butlers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: net needs info for us non-bee types Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:24:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 41 Message-ID: <932437669.569.14@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.24.60.80 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:27:49 GMT X-Trace: 932437669.569.14 XQ7KSOA3C3C50CE18C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19598 Hi -- we discovered bees traveling in & out of our house in a small opening above the porch. Although we've nothing personally against bees, and find them rather cute in their own way, we've decided that we're not interested in beekeeping and would rather these guys go someplace else. I searched online with several search engines and could find **nothing** for this. All websites concerning "bees" and "beehives" had to do with beekeeping and some companies with "bee" in their names (that have nothing to do with beekeeping anyway). So I found this NG and looked through some posts and did in fact get some good information. Unfortunately, it was at the expense of others. Recently there was a post from somebody saying that he tried insecticide and it didn't work. Boy, did he hear from you guys! Seriously, I don't think this guy knew he was doing anything wrong -- the general public is simply ignorant about bees. We all just find them annoying little flying insects that sting us if we don't watch out. The point of this post is that there are LOTS of people out there who don't know anything about bees and never needed to know anything until we found them coming in & out of our homes. It was really interesting to me to learn that there are LOTS of people who ARE interested in bees, and that bees are not such a bad thing. But most importantly, I learned through this NG what to do when discovering that bees have set up residence in your home. It would be a wonderful thing if somebody in the know would create a simple webpage for us non-bee people: what are the myths about bees, general interest stuff, as well as what to do if you *don't* want a hive. I'm glad I found this NG because I *didn't* find such a website today and I would've probably headed out to the hardware store for some kind of poison. If someone created such a site and entered it on the well-known search engines, there might be fewer sentences containing both the words "insecticide" and "bees"! Oh yeah, I *did* have a question! How much should I expect to pay a beekeeper to come and extract these bees? I live in Iowa. Thanks for listening. From southbee@my-deja.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing brood boxes Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:46:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7n0nun$ffs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.57 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 20 02:46:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.57 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19599 Has anyone had experience with putting bottom full brood box on top of new, unworked brood box? Will it help the bees? They have more room on the bottom board now, but, not sure this is o.k. Just tried it on one colony so far. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing brood boxes Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:23:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7n0q2g$g7d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n0nun$ffs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 20 03:23:07 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19600 Hi, South -- Since bees and queen tend to work upward instead of downward, I suggest that the unworked unit (either foundation or drawn) be placed above to get them working it. Reversing hive bodies usually implies that they are both in use at the time. Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Has anyone had experience with putting bottom full brood box on top of > new, unworked brood box? Will it help the bees? They have more room on > the bottom board now, but, not sure this is o.k. Just tried it on one > colony so far. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lauramleek@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing brood boxes Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1999 05:26:30 GMT References: <7n0nun$ffs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990720012630.20658.00000758@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19601 >From what I know, The queen will move up in the brood boxes. Therefore the empty box should be on top. Take some drawn foundation from the fuller brood box and swap it with undrawn foundation to draw the bees into the top box. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Laura From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 21 21:59:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com.MISMATCH!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:16:36 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7n146h$1pho$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> <7mu0bj$1ops$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-21.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932451345 58936 209.130.165.21 (20 Jul 1999 06:15:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 06:15:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19602 It doesn't hurt to keep a dehumidifier running in your hot room/honey house either. Like Mr. Edwards said there is no easy way to test moisture without a refractometer. --Busybee busybee wrote in message <7mu0bj$1ops$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >If you only extract capped honey - it should be of the right moisture levels >providing you extract it in a non-humid environment and get it into covered >jars soon. > >--Busybee > >Lowell & Diane Hutchison wrote in message ><932335543.631005@super.ccp.com>... >>Is there any way other than a refractometer to measure the moisture content >>of honey. I don't want to risk having the honey spoil, but hate to spend >>the money unless it is absolutely necessary. >> >>Lowell Hutchison >>hutchiso@ccp.com >> >> > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: net needs info for us non-bee types Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1999 08:01:50 GMT References: <932437669.569.14@news.remarQ.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990720040150.11293.00000464@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19603 >h yeah, I *did* have a question! How much should I expect to pay a >beekeeper to come and extract these bees? I live in Iowa. > >Thanks for listening. > any where from 100.00 - 300.00 depending on how hard they will be to get out, how high off the ground, do you repair the celing of your porch or do they put it back, etc... Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From anthony@iet.hist.no Wed Jul 21 21:59:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: Anthony N Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:45:42 +0200 Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Division of Electronic Engineering Lines: 29 Message-ID: <37944546.8DE7DE51@iet.hist.no> References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 932463910 23717 158.38.51.37 (20 Jul 1999 09:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: mreddy@glam.ac.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19604 Mike Reddy wrote: ......... > You could try my (very partial) web site about Tudor and Medieaval beekeeping: > > http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/skepFAQ/ > The linked page includes the statement "In fact, mead was the weakest of a number of honey derived beverages, collectively known as Meth." Could you expand on this statement? How weak was weak and how strong were the other beverages mentioned? Was there, as far as you know, any conection between Mead(Meth) and Meadow Sweet (common name in Scandinavia translates as Mead-Herb)? Beekeeping would not surely have been restricted to the "richer families" ? What use, other than selling them, would a yeoman(?) or "poorer family" make of hive products? Please copy to me direct as I am about to go on holiday and may miss a newsgroup posting. -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteammanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7004 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 From glen@obp.agric.za Wed Jul 21 21:59:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Glen van Niekerk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sprinklers and bee hives Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:39:36 -0700 Organization: An Internet Solution Customer Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3794D075.1CB7CB3E@obp.agric.za> References: <7mvf32$7de$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.nda.agric.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19605 Marc Andelman wrote: > Hi folks. Does anyone have an opinion as to whether > sprinklers will hurt bees if placed too near the hive. > I am not worried so much about water getting into the hive > as I am about the bees having to fly through the water droplets. > > Marc Andelman Maybe your hive could be water damaged if not treated properly? Glen van Niekerk South Africa From harrisonrw@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: net needs info for us non-bee types Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1999 11:17:24 GMT References: <932437669.569.14@news.remarQ.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990720071724.01618.00000013@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19606 >Oh yeah, I *did* have a question! How much should I expect to pay a >beekeeper to come and extract these bees? I live in Iowa. > The cost of removing the bees will depend alot on where you live. In metro areas you will pay more than out in the country. Here in the northeast, in the metro NY area $300.00 would be a base price and wouldn't include any repairs to the structure. Call your state agriculture dept. they will have a list of people who will remove bees from buildings.Get a few names from them and make some phone calls. Ask for references! Please remember "you get what you pay for". Ralph Harrison Milford, CT Removing Bees Since "87" From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I got the swarm - but where's the queen Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1999 08:08:49 GMT References: <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990720040849.11293.00000466@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19607 >exists, I could merge the swarm with >another colony, or drop in a brood frame from another hive. > >Any suggestions out there? > I always like to add a frame of brood and honey to a swarm, if i've got one avail., gives em a boost. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <378EA32E.1DCA@povn.com> <19990717161629.28885.00001682@ng-cl1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Furniture Polish - was I'm Curious!!!! Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:15:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 932480147 24.6.224.103 (Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:47 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19608 You can some of Elaine White's formulas here: http://members.aol.com/oelaineo/bees.html Also you can order the book here. George JOHNBKPR wrote in message news:19990717161629.28885.00001682@ng-cl1.aol.com... > > sharing your furniture polish recipe and expand on > >the subject of "other stuff?" Pleas > > Hi Skip: > To post all the formulas here would be to long. Get the Book "Super Formulas" > by Elain C. White, all the formulas you will ever need. > > John > Celestial Offerings > Northern RI From pakdad@mindspring.com Wed Jul 21 21:59:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticide Hit! Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:40:19 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.48.32 X-Server-Date: 20 Jul 1999 17:37:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19609 I came home to one of my hives and bees were falling out the front door and dying. There was what looks like thousands of beers on the ground. It lasted a day or so and stopped. It did not happen to my other hive. 1 Is this normal to have a pesticide hit on one hive, and not on the other? 2 Is there anything I can do to help? 3 Who do I contact to let the authorities know that someone is using pesticides outside of the recommended dosages (I live in Georgia)? From fordcar@my-deja.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tracking bees back to home? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:02:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7n2djb$3fk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990716233016.20178.00001900@ng-da1.aol.com> <1895-37906EDE-1@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 20 18:02:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDfordcar Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19610 In article <1895-37906EDE-1@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: > Dust them with a little powdered sugar and you will be able to see them > better. > BUD > Hello When I was younger We used to do what we called (line bees) The way we did it then was to place a saucer with sugar water mixture on a post and watch it for a little while.. once the bees started to fly back and fourth we would move the dish a little ways in the proper direction and keep doing this until we could locate the source..It really didnt take a long time to track them back to the source once they passed the word back to the hive there was free food..This sounds a lot easier than trying to (catch a bunch of bees) Who says they will come back. if they all came from the same source.. carol> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticide Hit! Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:54:40 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7n2k6d$1fse$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932500493 49038 209.130.165.61 (20 Jul 1999 19:54:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 19:54:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19611 Call in your state apiary inspector. --Busybee Phillip Knowles wrote in message <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>... >I came home to one of my hives and bees were falling out the front door and >dying. There was what looks like thousands of beers on the ground. It >lasted a day or so and stopped. It did not happen to my other hive. > >1 Is this normal to have a pesticide hit on one hive, and not on the other? > >2 Is there anything I can do to help? > >3 Who do I contact to let the authorities know that someone is using >pesticides outside of the recommended dosages (I live in Georgia)? > > From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bumble,honey bee Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 1999 21:18:14 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990720171814.24258.00000148@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19612 I was trudging through a beautiful wetland area on the weekend. I saw lots of bumble bees at flowered plants in the wetland. I did not see any honey bees. My question is do they go after similar plants? Can I assume that these are nectar producing plants by seeing bumble bees at them. Thanks Al From michel_crichton@mitel.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey, humidity and extracting Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <5n6l3.996$x7.19499048@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:03:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:03:45 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19613 I was wondering about the humidity of honey when extracting. I've been reading alot and the books seem to say that if the honey is too humid when extracting then it will eventually ferment. Without any instruments to measure if the honey is too humid, how does one know? I always thought that if the honey is capped then its ready to extract. Is this true. I just thought about this today after extracting on the weekend. I began thinking what if the honey is now fermenting in the jars. All the honey I extracted was completely capped in the hive. Should I be worried? Also, last night I stained honey from the cappings I had. I probably got 3kg of honey from these but didn't have enough jars to jar it. So I covered the bowl with plastic wrap and put it in the fridge for about 24hrs. Was that a bad idea? I plan on jarring it tonight. Let me know if I should be worried about my honey fermenting, thanks MIch From michel_crichton@mitel.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> <7mt93v$2q5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: uncapping frames for extraction Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:08:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:08:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19614 I extracted this weekend. All went well. I found the best method to be the electric knife that had a blade very similar to a serrated bread knife with a thin blade. The electric knife died on me half way through (it was old), so I then just used the blade. It worked very well too. thanks to all who replied and helped me out. Mich Thomas Allnatt wrote in message <7mt93v$2q5$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >Michel >I normally use a long serated bread knife for uncapping. ... >Michel Crichton wrote in message >news:0Amj3.882$x7.16279923@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... >> Hi all, >> >> >> Mainly I am looking for ideas on uncapping filled frames... From nature@ficom.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Karen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need beeswax Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:23:43 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: host37.ficom.net Message-ID: <3794eff8.0@news.isdn.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.planetc.com!news.isdn.net!host37.ficom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19615 Thought I had found a supplier but it didn't work out. I need 10 pounds for starters, nice natural golden beeswax for use in skin care products, preferable in 1-2pound blocks or smaller. May be interested in ivory or white if it is bleached in some natural way, that is no additional chemicals. I am in TN so would also like to find someone who isn't too many states away to keep shipping costs down. Thank you,- Karen Shelton Amazing Jewel Soap - The original jewel weed soap for poison ivy. http://www.altnature.com From daves@cadp.org Wed Jul 21 22:00:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "davidsickels" Subject: Hive rental.. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1stchas84.xtraport.net/209.74.174.84 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 932514029301 Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:43:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 932514184 216.200.3.202 (Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:43:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:43:04 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19616 What are you charging for hive rental for orchards, etc. Thanks -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey, humidity and extracting Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:57:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7n305p$i5t$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <5n6l3.996$x7.19499048@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 932512761 18621 62.136.16.136 (20 Jul 1999 23:19:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 23:19:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19617 Michel Crichton wrote in message <5n6l3.996$x7.19499048@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>... > >All the honey I >extracted was completely capped in the hive. Should I be worried? > >Also, last night I stained honey from the cappings I had. I probably got >3kg of honey from these but didn't have enough jars to jar it. So I covered >the bowl with plastic wrap and put it in the fridge for about 24hrs. Was >that a bad idea? I plan on jarring it tonight. > > >Let me know if I should be worried about my honey fermenting, >thanks >MIch > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No - if it was all capped then you are unlikely to have a problem - but see my posting of last night. No need to put the honey in the fridge - in fact you will find that when cold it will be very viscous and you will have difficulty bottling it; always easiest to work with warm (not hot!) honey. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moisture content of honey Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:05:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7n305q$i5t$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <932335543.631005@super.ccp.com> <7mu0bj$1ops$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7n146h$1pho$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 932512762 18621 62.136.16.136 (20 Jul 1999 23:19:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 23:19:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19618 busybee wrote in message <7n146h$1pho$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >It doesn't hurt to keep a dehumidifier running in your hot room/honey house >either. Like Mr. Edwards said there is no easy way to test moisture without >a refractometer. > >--Busybee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Yes - forgot to mention the dehumidifier. I do use it sometimes - usually for the heather honey which we bring home in early September and which can be very high moisture content if the weather is poor. But do beware of drying your honey too much - if you overdo it then you can get down to 12-14% and then it is like toffee and almost impossible to extract! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing brood boxes Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:17:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7n305t$i5t$4@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n0nun$ffs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990720012630.20658.00000758@ng-cf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 932512765 18621 62.136.16.136 (20 Jul 1999 23:19:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 23:19:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19619 LauraMLeek wrote in message <19990720012630.20658.00000758@ng-cf1.aol.com>... >From what I know, The queen will move up in the brood boxes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >Under natural conditions (e.g. in a hollow tree) the bees start at the top and work down, filling brood comb with honey as they build new brood comb on the bottom. In a hive they do seem to be happy to do it the other way around - but of course they rarely find foundation in a tree! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: net needs info for us non-bee types Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:12:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7n305r$i5t$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <932437669.569.14@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 932512763 18621 62.136.16.136 (20 Jul 1999 23:19:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jul 1999 23:19:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19620 Butlers wrote in message <932437669.569.14@news.remarQ.com>... >> >The point of this post is that there are LOTS of people out there who don't >know anything about bees and never needed to know anything until we found >them coming in & out of our homes. >It would be a wonderful thing if somebody in the know would create a simple >webpage for us non-bee people: what are the myths about bees, general >interest stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some good points here. Our local association always submits articles to the local papers just before the swarming season starts so that the public are aware of what to do. We also submit a list of members willing to assist the public with swarms to the county police headquarters for them to put on their computer and we also send it to the environmental health department of the local council. A web page is an excellent idea. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees and beesuits Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37960a15.2462653@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:00:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.195 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 932515488 38.11.203.195 (Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:04:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:04:48 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19621 Hi, I've got a job coming up that requires taking a lot of bumblebees out of a wall. I've been using a good bee suit, made by B.J. Sheriff called the "Beekeeper" It is made of a light weight nylon material that is smooth to the touch. The great advantage in this material is that bees cannot land on it, and subsequently they can't stick their stingers in it or me. Over the past few years it has saved a lot of bees from leaving their stingers needlessly behind. My question is: has anyone used this type of suit successfully with bumblebees? I recently captured a bumblebee from this hive and had a close look at its stinging apparatus. It appears to be sharp, smooth, long and can operate like a naval anti-aircraft gun, i.e. bam-bam-bam etc. Any experience working these kinds of bees with what kind of suits would be greatly appreciated and soon. Charles Kroeger - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-93.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticide Hit! Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:01:11 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.5d X-Server-Date: 21 Jul 1999 01:07:05 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19622 In article <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Phillip Knowles" wrote: > I came home to one of my hives and bees were falling out the front door and > dying. There was what looks like thousands of beers on the ground. The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago... I had three whole cases of beer ready for a party, and damned if the bees hadn't managed to find the stash, somehow manipulate a bottle opener, and drink the whole thing. Beer bottles were strewn in front of the hive, and the drunk bees were falling off the bottom board and generally making fools of themselves. One even had a lampshade on her head. (sorry... couldn't resist... I know this is a serious issue...) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees and beesuits Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:47:34 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7n36rv$q4r$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37960a15.2462653@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19623 ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) wrote: >Hi, I've got a job coming up that requires taking a lot of bumblebees >out of a wall. >I've been using a good bee suit, made by B.J. Sheriff called the >"Beekeeper" It is made of a light weight nylon material that is smooth >to the touch. The great advantage in this material is that bees cannot >land on it, and subsequently they can't stick their stingers in it or >me. Over the past few years it has saved a lot of bees from leaving >their stingers needlessly behind. >My question is: has anyone used this type of suit successfully with >bumblebees? I recently captured a bumblebee from this hive and had a >close look at its stinging apparatus. It appears to be sharp, smooth, >long and can operate like a naval anti-aircraft gun, i.e. bam-bam-bam >etc. >Any experience working these kinds of bees with what kind of suits would >be greatly appreciated and soon. >Charles Kroeger Work them in the dark with a red light. They won't be able to see and your job will be much easier. Their temperment will depend on the spieces. I have dug up nests of the yellow knotched bumblebee (Bumbus Impaitens sp?) without any protection. Bumbus Americorium, also called Bumbus Pennsylvanicus sp?, is another story! Read the Humble Bee by Sladen, it is a great bumble bee book, however it only discussesBritish bumble bees. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:49:01 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 48 Message-ID: <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.158 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:14:42 GMT X-Trace: 932519682.212.54 KRFRRPH9I989ECE81C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19624 Hi, My neighbor is having problems with ANTS . She asked me to post a request for further suggestions for dealing with them . And, I've been wondering, if ants will go after brood ? Seems to me, like adult bees would be too much for ants, but larva might be vulnerable, if not zealously protected . Considering how they attacked me, when I went poking around among the brood, I just assumed that ants would be in a world of hurt, but is that actually the case ? Ken . On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:39:22 -0700, "George Styer" wrote: >There are several methods to keep ants out of hives but the basic principle >is to establish a barrier. Since you already have it up on cinder blocks >there is no need to re-engineer your stand. Go to your local nursery and >pick up a tube of Tanglefoot. This is a sticky resinous substance made of >tree resins and is harmless to the bees (as long as they don't get stuck in >it). Squeeze a bead out of the tube all the way around the cinder block and >spread it a little with a Popsicle stick. A 1" wide band is sufficient. As >dirt and dust get stuck to it, you will need to renew it periodically. > >Keep those fire ants out of California! (We are in denial) From bill.greenrose@valley.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:16:28 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 66 Message-ID: <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-134.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19625 Real Name wrote: > Hi, > > My neighbor is having problems > with ANTS . > > She asked me to post a request > for further suggestions for dealing with > them . > > And, I've been wondering, if ants will > go after brood ? > Seems to me, like adult bees would > be too much for ants, but larva might > be vulnerable, if not zealously > protected . > > Considering how they attacked me, > when I went poking around among the > brood, I just assumed that ants would be > in a world of hurt, but is that actually > the case ? > > Ken . > greetings, given the sweet tooth of many ant species, i suspect that they generally prefer honey to brood. but, they are also opportunistic and might take advantage of a weak colony. i DO know that, given the opportunity, bees will go after ants with a vengeance. i saw this first hand earlier this summer, when a colony of ants moved into the dead space between the frame lugs [handles] and the spacers on the frames of one of my hives. when i removed the box above that one and the ants were exposed to the colony all heck broke loose. ants were scrambling around, trying to pick up and move eggs and pupae, while the bees descended on them in an angry horde. it was a pretty impressive battle. the ants, being small, were hard for the bees to grab and sting, and they sure could bite the bees. but, the bees had sheer numbers on them and just balled up the individual ants. chewed 'em up and cleared them all out, before i finished working the hive. the whole colony became pretty agitated from the fight. fortunately, they took it out on the ants and not on me. on the other hand, the hive that is recovering from the bear attack of last week had quite a large number of yellow jackets buzzing about it. [they 'moved into' the box of bear-damaged frames that i left out for the bees to rob.] don't think any actually made it inside the closed hive while i was there, but they were very brazen about landing on the comb, once i opened it up. the bees did not attack the yj's with the ferocity i have seen this same hive exhibit towards yj's in the past. depending on how they look this weekend, i may add a couple of frames of brood from the other hive to give them a boost. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive rental.. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 03:45:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990720234556.13871.00000511@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19626 >What are you charging for hive rental for orchards, etc. > >Thanks > 40.00 per hive per crop Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive rental.. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:07:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7n3grf$14cs$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990720234556.13871.00000511@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-68.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932529839 37276 209.130.165.68 (21 Jul 1999 04:03:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 04:03:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19627 $40.00 is a reasonable and customary rate...as a good rule of thumb, we suggest 1 hive/per 2 acres of crop to be pollinated. Cucumbers may get by with 1 hive/per 3-4 acres. --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990720234556.13871.00000511@ng-da1.aol.com>... >>What are you charging for hive rental for orchards, etc. >> >>Thanks >> > >40.00 per hive per crop >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From southbee@my-deja.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RDGirls Swarming??? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:57:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7n3gft$gvk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.9 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 21 03:57:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.9 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19628 Charles, Hi there, three year beekeeper here. Make sure you have plenty of ventilation for the bees. I use Imrie shims on the top of almost every box. Also, I put a small piece of styrofoam beneath the top cover to give them about 1/2" space on 3 sides. This not only helps with ventilation, but gives them alternate entrances/exits to the hives. My new inspector thinks it leads to robbing, but we have 90-95 deg. weather here and I'd rather they be comfortable, than worry about robbing at this point. I have a lot of bees on my bottom board as well, but I reversed one brood box and that seems to help, too, but not sure this is best. See 'Reversing brood.' in forum. If you see that you have a good laying queen, you may want to pull the frame with the queen cells together with the adjacent frames of brood and start another colony with several frames of honey and bees and put into a nuc or deep brood box set up. Just make sure your good, free laying queen is left behind (easier said than done when you have lots of bees .) If the cells are near the bottom of the frames, yes, those are queen cells that will swarm. At any rate, I would remove them as above. Sincerely, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 21 22:00:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 04:19:58 GMT References: <19990720171814.24258.00000148@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19629 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >I was trudging through a beautiful wetland area on the weekend. I saw lots >of >bumble bees at flowered plants in the wetland. I did not see any honey bees. >My >question is do they go after similar plants? Can I assume that these are >nectar >producing plants by seeing bumble bees at them. Honeybees and bumblebees may overlap on some forage. But some deep flowers have nectiaries that are unreachable with honeybees' short tongues, so they are exclusive BB territory. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 21 22:00:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticide Hit! NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 04:41:08 GMT References: <7n2c59$7ov$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990721004108.24424.00000308@ng-cs1.aol.com> Lines: 72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19630 From: "Phillip Knowles" pakdad@mindspring.com >I came home to one of my hives and bees were falling out the front door and >dying. There was what looks like thousands of beers on the ground. It >lasted a day or so and stopped. It did not happen to my other hive. A sickening sight, isn't it. And all too common for beekeepers. >1 Is this normal to have a pesticide hit on one hive, and not on the other? It happens. Bees are creatures of habit, and they follow the scouts. One hive may fly in one direction, and another in the opposite. >2 Is there anything I can do to help? Call your pesticide regulatory folks, the instant it happens. Don't wait a minute longer than necessary. Samples need to be quickly taken, before the evidence deteriorates. Also, look around within a mile to see what crops are blooming that are attractive to bees, that may have been sprayed. >3 Who do I contact to let the authorities know that someone is using >pesticides outside of the recommended dosages (I live in Georgia)? It isn't dosage that matters here. It is that someone sprayed a blooming crop with a pesticide that is toxic to bees. Do you have cotton nearby? It is just starting to bloom around here. Cotton applications are a common source of bee kills. Pesticides that are toxic to bees have specific directions on the label forbidding application while bees are foraging. Find out what pesticides were used in the area, and get copies of the labels. Look for bee protection directions, under "Environmental Hazards." These directions are the law, and they protect all bees that forage within the application area. Are your bees carrying cotton pollen? It is pale yellow, almost white. If so, you can help the cotton applicator comply with the label directions by offering to monitor the hours they carry cotton pollen. He cannot legally spray these materials, while bees are visiting cotton flowers. He, and possibly even the pesticide enforcement people may try to circumvent this by offering to call you to notify you when they plan to spray. Don't let them get away with this. You are not responsible to protect your bees (or any others in the area!); the applicator is clearly responsible. Try to keep calm and stick to your guns when talking with the applicator. He is the one who is breaking the law. If it happens a second time without him checking first to make sure bees are not foraging, it is a wilful violation, which makes it a crime. You can also use a camcorder to record date and time of applications, blooms within the application area, and bees foraging. This can be used to document the violation, if a material with bee directions has been used. The best thing is prevention, not salvage after the fact. Let your violating neighbor know what the law is, that he is responsible to obey the bee protection directions on the label, that you will be glad to help him comply with the label, but will not be bullied into taking the responsbility for bee protection, and that he will watched in the future. Chances are, he'll clean up his act. No one likes to have pesticide officials looking over their shoulder. We are setting up a web site for cotton growers, with information on the use of monitor hives to help comply with label directions. Unfortunately it's not up yet. Look for it at the Pollination Home Page soon, hopefully by the end of this week. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-211.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: RDGirls Swarming??? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:33:06 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <7n3gft$gvk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.d3 X-Server-Date: 21 Jul 1999 05:38:04 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19631 In article <7n3gft$gvk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > Charles, > > Hi there, three year beekeeper here. Make sure you have plenty of > ventilation for the bees. I've put some space between the top brood box and the honey super... mebbe I'll widen it a bit tomorrow... > If the cells are near the bottom of the frames, yes, those > are queen cells that will swarm. The queen cells are in the middle of the frames... I opened up both brood boxes a couple days ago and looked around... really aggravated the bees, and left more than a few casualties... I'm gonna let 'em go for now. It's the first year, and from what I've read swarming is unlikely during this time. They are putting honey up pretty quickly! I'm gonna order another medium super, this time for cut comb honey, tomorrow. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-211.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How Much Honey... Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 23:35:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.d3 X-Server-Date: 21 Jul 1999 05:40:57 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19632 ...can I expect this first year from my single hive? The girls seem to be going gang busters. I've got a medium super on now for extracting, and plan to order another for cut comb tomorrow. I sneaked a taste today... mmmmmmm... ;) ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From mreddy@glam.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:49:44 +0100 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Message-ID: References: <01becfc7$e9efc900$cb8c6395@default> <37944546.8DE7DE51@iet.hist.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 330 518 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 932546783 29056 (none) 193.63.130.40 Lines: 68 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19633 From: "Mike Reddy" Subject: Re: History of Beekeeping To: Anthony N Morgan >> http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/skepFAQ/ > > The linked page includes the statement "In fact, mead was the weakest of > a number of honey derived beverages, collectively known as Meth." > Could you expand on this statement? How weak was weak and how strong > were the other beverages mentioned? This is a difficult question to answer. The original source was Charles Butler "The Feminine Monarchy" 1609-25 (several version where published, and a facsimile version is available from Northern Bee Books). I cannot tell you in specific gravity or % alcohol, but it was common in the preparation of beer that there would be three mashings of the malt, the third of which was called "table ale" and was used as sterile water, more than for its alcoholic properties. > Was there, as far as you know, any conection between Mead(Meth) and > Meadow Sweet (common name in Scandinavia translates as Mead-Herb)? The preparation of Mead requires various herbs and spices to be included in the barrel. I would have to look these up, as I am not a brewer. It may be possible that the plant you refer to was one of these, but it is just as likely that the smell or colour was reminiscent, rather than actually being involved. > Beekeeping would not surely have been restricted to the "richer > families"? Beekeeping would not have been restricted to the rich, but the products would have been: Wax for candles was expensive, and the law (introduced by Henry the 8th, I believe) required that beekeepers sell their wax to chandlers to produce finished wax goods, rather than doing it themselves. Before the Reformation, there was a much greater demand for beeswax by the Church. Honey was the only sweetener until the middle/end of the 16th century, after which sugar becomes more in vogue. The rich would be conspicuous consumers, to show off their wealth. However, honey was still used as a preservative, and in cooking. It was at times very expensive, based on supply. There were some pretty bad years in the 16th century! No varroa though!!! >What use, other than selling them, would a yeoman(?) or > "poorer family" make of hive products? If they were poor, given the high value of the honey and wax, they would probably have just sold it. Luxuries like this would probably have been converted into hard cash! By the way, professional beekeepers were considered artisans from Saxon times, and were, therefore, at a level above the common serfs. Mind you, they were only a bit above swine herds, who were the lowest craftspeople to be considered "skilled" labour. The 'caste' system of jobs is a fascinating one! Hope all that helps! Mike -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 (0)1443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)1443 482 715 HOME TEL: +44 (0)1443 402 685 (Emergencies only) From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Wed Jul 21 22:00:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n3gft$gvk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: RDGirls Swarming??? Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:17:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 932555862 208.170.81.153 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:17:42 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:17:42 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19634 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote: > The queen cells are in the middle of the frames... So were mine or theirs! > > I'm gonna let 'em go for now. It's the first year, and from what I've > read swarming is unlikely during this time. I yanked, scraped them out once, they rebuilt! And swarmed,first year 2deeps and a med. The best part BEES DONT READ! LOL! well I am new at it too! the "swarmers" hive is building well, feeding syrup and fresh eggs have appeared after 10 days post swarm. The swarmees hive has many a polished cell and one "virgin?" queen figure she is at the 2 week age and should be laying soooooon I hope! > They are putting honey up pretty quickly! I'm gonna order another medium > super, this time for cut comb honey, tomorrow > -- >From what have heard , when in doubt SUPER! SUPER! Damon .......with a new name for his enterprise >>>> Skep-Tickle Apiaries! Sunapee NH From beekeeping@Towner.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reference Book Recommendations Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:44:25 -0400 Organization: Sprint-ANS Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user29.ctinet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.utelfla.com 932557424 21350 205.245.18.89 (21 Jul 1999 11:43:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.utelfla.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 11:43:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19635 I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for the best beekeeping reference book(s) available. Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics along with advanced information. Thx, -PT. From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:27:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932560036 204.186.180.23 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:27:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:27:16 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19636 The best overall book on beekeeping is Dadant's "The Hive and the Honey Bee", also good Root's "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture". However they are very expensive, a cheaper good beginners book from Penn State "Fundamentals of Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of information for $ 7.95. I sell all of these books, see prices on our website www.draperbee.com Have a great day! Royal W. Draper PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>... >I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for the best >beekeeping reference book(s) available. > >Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics along with >advanced information. > >Thx, >-PT. > > From npatt@snet.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for yellowjacket and hornet collectors Date: 21 Jul 1999 12:19:20 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7n4ds8$k4r@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh4-port203.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19637 I've met a few yellowjacket and hornet collectors here. Are there any more? Norm npatt@snet.net From beekeeping@towner.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:10:25 -0400 Organization: Sprint-ANS Lines: 93 Message-ID: <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user19.ctinet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3EEE56489E7ABF14BADE4F3C" X-Trace: news.utelfla.com 932562585 26760 205.245.18.79 (21 Jul 1999 13:09:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.utelfla.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 13:09:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19638 --------------3EEE56489E7ABF14BADE4F3C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful recommendations. However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor price for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including your book section: . Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the edition numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and the Honey Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture"). Thx, -PT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Royal Draper wrote: > The best overall book on beekeeping is Dadant's "The Hive and the Honey > Bee", also good Root's "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture". > However they are very expensive, a cheaper good beginners book from Penn > State "Fundamentals of Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of information for $ > 7.95. > I sell all of these books, see prices on our website www.draperbee.com > Have a great day! > > Royal W. Draper > > PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>... > >I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for the best > >beekeeping reference book(s) available. > > > >Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics along with > >advanced information. > > > >Thx, > >-PT. > > > > --------------3EEE56489E7ABF14BADE4F3C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful recommendations.

However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor price for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including your book section: <http://www.draperbee.com/catalog/page4.htm>.

Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the edition numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and the Honey Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture").

Thx,
-PT.


 

Royal Draper wrote:

The best overall book on beekeeping is Dadant's "The Hive and the Honey
Bee", also good Root's "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture".
However they are very expensive, a cheaper good beginners book from Penn
State "Fundamentals of Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of information for $
7.95.
I sell all of these books, see prices on our website www.draperbee.com
Have a great day!

Royal W. Draper

PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>...
>I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for the best
>beekeeping reference book(s) available.
>
>Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics along with
>advanced information.
>
>Thx,
>-PT.
>
>

--------------3EEE56489E7ABF14BADE4F3C-- From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 14:57:53 GMT References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19639 In my neck of the woods there seems to be a lot more bumble bees than wild honey bees. Are bumble bees generally more plentiful? They are fun to watch. You can walk right through the floral areas and they won't sting. They are easy to see. Too bad they can't come up with a genetic mutation of a honey bee the size of a bumble bee. Does anybody keep bumble bee hives? Al From beetools@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive rental.. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 16:22:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990721122209.17747.00000726@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19640 Prices vary with the crop and your location. In some areas (like California right after the almonds), there are more beekeepers than ther are trees and rates go WAY down. But for a general guide, checkout http://members.aol.com/beetools/97poldoc.htm Its the 1997 Pollination Survey done by Dr. Michael Burgett of Oregon State University, who has conducted this survey for over eleven years. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From luke.stuart@virgin.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beehive Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:54:23 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7n518s$hbe$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.36.7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19641 I have seen a clay ,ceramic beehive that looks a bit like a flower pot. It had a floor and a roof and seemed to be of french origin. I wondered if anyone had any information or had seen such a thing? Any ideas, thanks, Luke From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Lines: 150 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:13:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932584436 204.186.180.199 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:13:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:13:56 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19642 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I apologize, I was sure that they were there. The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively revised 1992 -- $ = 55.00 ABC & XYZ (hard cover) -- $ 29.95 If you have any questions give me a call 800-233-4273 Royal W. Draper PT wrote in message <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net>... Thank you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful = recommendations.=20 However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor = price for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including = your book section: .=20 Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the = edition numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and the = Honey Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture").=20 Thx,=20 -PT.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 =20 =20 Royal Draper wrote:=20 The best overall book on beekeeping is Dadant's "The Hive and = the Honey=20 Bee", also good Root's "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture".=20 However they are very expensive, a cheaper good beginners book = >from Penn=20 State "Fundamentals of Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of = information for $=20 7.95.=20 I sell all of these books, see prices on our website = www.draperbee.com=20 Have a great day!=20 Royal W. Draper=20 PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>...=20 >I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for = the best=20 >beekeeping reference book(s) available.=20 >=20 >Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics = along with=20 >advanced information.=20 >=20 >Thx,=20 >-PT.=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I apologize, I was sure that they = were=20 there.
 
The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively = revised=20 1992 -- $ 55.00
ABC & XYZ (hard cover) -- $ 29.95
 
If you have any questions give me a call=20 800-233-4273
 
Royal W. Draper
 
PT wrote in message <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net= >...
Thank=20 you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful recommendations.=20

However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor = price=20 for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including = your book=20 section: <http://www.draperbee.= com/catalog/page4.htm>.=20 =20

Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the = edition=20 numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and = the Honey=20 Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture").=20

Thx,
-PT.=20


 =20

Royal Draper wrote:=20

The best overall book on beekeeping is = Dadant's=20 "The Hive and the Honey
Bee", also good Root's = "ABC=20 and XYZ of Bee Culture".
However they are very = expensive, a=20 cheaper good beginners book from Penn
State = "Fundamentals of=20 Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of information for $ =
7.95.
I=20 sell all of these books, see prices on our website = www.draperbee.com=20
Have a great day!=20

Royal W. Draper=20

PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>...=20
>I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to = offer for=20 the best
>beekeeping reference book(s) available. =
>=20
>Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the = basics=20 along with
>advanced information.
>
>Thx,=20
>-PT.
> =
>

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0-- From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Lines: 150 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <5%ol3.185$Hs3.15539@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:15:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932584513 204.186.180.199 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:15:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:15:13 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19643 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I apologize, I was sure that they were there. The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively revised 1992 -- $ = 55.00 ABC & XYZ (hard cover) -- $ 29.95 If you have any questions give me a call 800-233-4273 Royal W. Draper PT wrote in message <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net>... Thank you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful = recommendations.=20 However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor = price for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including = your book section: .=20 Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the = edition numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and the = Honey Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture").=20 Thx,=20 -PT.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 =20 =20 Royal Draper wrote:=20 The best overall book on beekeeping is Dadant's "The Hive and = the Honey=20 Bee", also good Root's "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture".=20 However they are very expensive, a cheaper good beginners book = >from Penn=20 State "Fundamentals of Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of = information for $=20 7.95.=20 I sell all of these books, see prices on our website = www.draperbee.com=20 Have a great day!=20 Royal W. Draper=20 PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>...=20 >I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to offer for = the best=20 >beekeeping reference book(s) available.=20 >=20 >Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the basics = along with=20 >advanced information.=20 >=20 >Thx,=20 >-PT.=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I apologize, I was sure that they = were=20 there.
 
The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively = revised=20 1992 -- $ 55.00
ABC & XYZ (hard cover) -- $ 29.95
 
If you have any questions give me a call=20 800-233-4273
 
Royal W. Draper
 
PT wrote in message <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net= >...
Thank=20 you for your reply. They sound like thoughtful recommendations.=20

However, I visited your site and could find neither a listing nor = price=20 for your mentioned books. I looked throughout your site, including = your book=20 section: <http://www.draperbee.= com/catalog/page4.htm>.=20 =20

Could you let me know about your prices, availability and the = edition=20 numbers or published years of these two books ("The Hive and = the Honey=20 Bee", "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture").=20

Thx,
-PT.=20


 =20

Royal Draper wrote:=20

The best overall book on beekeeping is = Dadant's=20 "The Hive and the Honey
Bee", also good Root's = "ABC=20 and XYZ of Bee Culture".
However they are very = expensive, a=20 cheaper good beginners book from Penn
State = "Fundamentals of=20 Beekeeping" gives quite a bit of information for $ =
7.95.
I=20 sell all of these books, see prices on our website = www.draperbee.com=20
Have a great day!=20

Royal W. Draper=20

PT wrote in message <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net>...=20
>I'm looking for recommendations you might be able to = offer for=20 the best
>beekeeping reference book(s) available. =
>=20
>Ideally, I'm searching for a good book that covers the = basics=20 along with
>advanced information.
>
>Thx,=20
>-PT.
> =
>

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BED38B.3E285CA0-- From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3794eff8.0@news.isdn.net> Subject: Re: need beeswax Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <39pl3.190$Hs3.15672@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:25:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932585151 204.186.180.199 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:25:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:25:51 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19644 We have nice lemon yellow beeswax in 1 lb blocks. www.draperbee.com/catalog/page3.htm Shipping should not be to bad to TN from PA, the more you order the cheaper the shipping gets. Call me if you have any questions. Royal W. Draper 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net Karen wrote in message <3794eff8.0@news.isdn.net>... >Thought I had found a supplier but it didn't work out. I need 10 pounds for >starters, nice natural golden beeswax for use in skin care products, >preferable in 1-2pound blocks or smaller. May be interested in ivory or >white if it is bleached in some natural way, that is no additional >chemicals. >I am in TN so would also like to find someone who isn't too many states away >to keep shipping costs down. >Thank you,- >Karen Shelton >Amazing Jewel Soap - The original jewel weed soap for poison ivy. >http://www.altnature.com > > > > > > From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:27:23 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37961F1B.9822C93B@riverace.com> References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> <5%ol3.185$Hs3.15539@nnrp2.ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 3yLOvuhHqbqqtwinNFjOMeLNEj3faaEoJKo28rgEEgI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 19:27:51 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19645 > The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively revised 1992 -- $ 55.00 $36.00 at amazon.com, currently on backorder. > ABC & XYZ (hard cover) -- $ 29.95 $30.00 at amazon.com, also on backorder -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From tceisele@mtu.edu Wed Jul 21 22:00:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Date: 21 Jul 1999 20:29:27 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7n5aj7$mrg$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19646 Royal Draper wrote: : I apologize, I was sure that they were there. : The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively revised 1992 -- $ = : 55.00 Isn't that kind of steep, considering that Dadant (the publisher) lists it at $36? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From kionas@acci.gr Wed Jul 21 22:00:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "kionas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: combined beekeeoing with oregano cultivation Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:43:17 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7n5bu9$1k3$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup182.acci.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 932590345 1667 195.170.15.182 (21 Jul 1999 20:52:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 20:52:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19647 Has any of you had experience of beekeeping in areas where oregano is cultivated? I suppose it is very rare, therefore I would greatly appreciate any input. Photini From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: blended honey Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 20:54:32 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990721165432.21497.00000293@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19648 Do beekeepers usually blend different types of honey to produce their product. Or does it go from hive directly to the jar. A man at the market said his honey was a mixture of several types. Personally I like the comb with honey in it but you don't see it very often. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.iag.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sting-swelling Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 20:54:23 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990721165423.21497.00000292@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19649 Sometimes you get stung and there is a slight swelling and redness that can persist for some time. Does that mean that the venom is there for that period time and the body is reacting to it. Is there any intravention that can be applied to break down the venom molecules so that it doesn't threaten the body. Al From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blended honey Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:05:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7n5ff0$sip$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990721165432.21497.00000293@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-36.shiver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 932593952 29273 62.136.97.36 (21 Jul 1999 21:52:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 21:52:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19650 We commonly blend honeys as strongly flavoured honeys impart their strengths to blander and less interesting honey. In my area, the Conwy valley in North Wales, we blend oil seed rape honey, a bland and uninteresting honey but available in large volume, with heather honey to give an excellent flavoured honey, not as strong as pure heather but a significant improvment on rape. It really depends on the volume of your production whether you have sufficient to try various blends. I always bottle some as extracted and blend some to give me a range of flavours to offer my customers. As I sell the bulk of my production at the Conwy Honey Fair, a charter fair dating back 700 years to Edward 1st, it generates more interest and, thus, sales to have a range of honey types on offer. Try it Hwyl i ti - Ian Jajwuth wrote in message <19990721165432.21497.00000293@ngol04.aol.com>... >Do beekeepers usually blend different types of honey to produce their product. >Or does it go from hive directly to the jar. A man at the market said his honey >was a mixture of several types. Personally I like the comb with honey in it but >you don't see it very often. > >Al From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 21 22:00:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-swelling Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:09:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7n5fn5$srt$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990721165423.21497.00000292@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-36.shiver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 932594213 29565 62.136.97.36 (21 Jul 1999 21:56:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 21:56:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19651 I have always intrigued by the variation in stings from different hives/bees. Some really hurt from the outset while others tend to cause a swelling about an hour or more later which, in some cases, last for a long time. Also I am aware that some always cause a small septic spot - dirtier bees perhaps! I'm sure ther's scope for significant research here. Ian Jajwuth wrote in message <19990721165423.21497.00000292@ngol04.aol.com>... >Sometimes you get stung and there is a slight swelling and redness that can >persist for some time. Does that mean that the venom is there for that period >time and the body is reacting to it. Is there any intravention that can be >applied to break down the venom molecules so that it doesn't threaten the >body. >Al > From w.hunsucker@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave1!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Wayne Hunsucker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting Started Professionally Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:01:43 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.10.57.48 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 932594523 4997 63.10.57.48 (21 Jul 1999 22:02:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jul 1999 22:02:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19652 I've kept bees for years, once holding over 60 hives. I moved Augusta, GA 5 years ago and have had very little success with bees here. Augusta's known as the Garden City, but nectar producing plants are not in sufficient supply. This is so silly, what I'm about to say, but I want to get into beekeeping fulltime so bad I can taste it. Somebody tell me why I should find an operation with 200 hives. Somebody else tell me why I shouldn't. I'm a minister in a large church here in Augusta. I miss my bees so badly. -- Wayne Hunsucker 706-228-1992 -- Study Phone 706-731-5355 -- Office Phone 706-481-1243 -- Pager God's peace is peculiar. I hope you experience some today. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 22:58:37 GMT References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990721185837.24418.00000570@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19653 >Somebody tell me why I should find an operation with 200 >hives. because you really want too. >Somebody >else tell me why I shouldn't. > I'm a minister in a large church here in Augusta. exactly why, 200 hives take a lot of time you gonna shepard people or bees ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hrogers@arkansas.net Wed Jul 21 22:00:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blended honey Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:45:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7n5ihj$ak3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990721165432.21497.00000293@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.105 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 21 22:45:10 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.105 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19654 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Do beekeepers usually blend different types of honey to produce their product. > Or does it go from hive directly to the jar. A man at the market said his honey > was a mixture of several types. Personally I like the comb with honey in it but > you don't see it very often. > > Al ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, Al -- here in Southwest Arkansas and East Texas we are seldom able to identify a honey as being one particular type. It is really a "Duke's Mixture" already. In some areas it is possible to get straight soybean or cotton honey, but my best bet has always been to just call it "Wildflower Honey" -- sounds delicious (and it is) Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 21 22:00:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive rental.. NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 21 Jul 1999 23:06:26 GMT References: <7n3grf$14cs$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990721190626.24418.00000572@ng-cs1.aol.com> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19655 > Cucumbers may get by >with 1 hive/per 3-4 acres. > where did you get that ? each cuke flower needs visiting @12 times to assure optimum pollination, how ya gonna get that wit one hive on 3 acres?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bowyerpounds@dial.pipex.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "bowyerpounds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:51:15 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> Reply-To: "bowyerpounds" NNTP-Posting-Host: usern441.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 932650314 23055 193.149.84.220 (22 Jul 1999 13:31:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 13:31:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19658 A friend of mine inspected his bees and found that a large number of bees have severe deformations especially to their wings. This includes stunted wings, mis-shaped wings, only one of a pair of wings etc. Although there is quite a lot of flying activity the grass in front of the hive box is alive with bees who cannot fly and bees who can only fly a few feet before having to land. We have a good nectar flow in Kent, England at this time of year and the colony has a good level of stores. There is not a solitary crop in the vicinity of the hive and we are not aware of any insecticide spraying - although we cannot rule this out. I understand no varroa controls are in place and it is not known whether or not the colony is infested. It is probable that there is some degree of infestation. A course of Bayvarol is going to be started immediately. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem (and solution) might be. With best regards Matthew Pounds From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-swelling Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jul 1999 02:32:29 GMT References: <2pul3.12$Ig2.1504379@alpha.sky.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990721223229.03574.00000427@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19659 To further elaborate: I read something about light electrical shocks applied to snake or spider bite areas. It was thought that the shock broke down the venom molecules. I think it was done because there was no anti venom drug available at the time.It sounded interesting to me. Don't try it by what I say here. I don't get too many bee stings. However I get numerous fly bites being outdoors.I have only a minor reaction to the fly bites. My view , whether correct or not is that it seems to exercise your immune system in healing the fly bites. Can the same be said about bee stings. I'm always happy to hear that people are achieving beneficial effects from bees and products of the hive Al From obriens@sky.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!HSNX.callatg.com!nuq-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990721165423.21497.00000292@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: sting-swelling Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <2pul3.12$Ig2.1504379@alpha.sky.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:15:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 932606654 209.90.4.254 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:24:14 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:24:14 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19660 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990721165423.21497.00000292@ngol04.aol.com>... >Sometimes you get stung and there is a slight swelling and redness that can >persist for some time. Does that mean that the venom is there for that period >time and the body is reacting to it. Is there any intravention that can be >applied to break down the venom molecules so that it doesn't threaten the >body. To those few of us here who apply Bee Sting therapy to our bodies to the rate of about 80 stings a week, this question seems a bit alarmist. However, I do understand your concern. It is fairly common. For 999 people in a thousand a few bee stings is not a serious concern. A large number of stings all at the same time can be a concern. If the person who has been stung has survived for more than about 10 minutes without having stopped breathing then there is no need for medical intervention. Simply remove the stinger as soon as possible and if you are concerned about the swelling give them some Benedryl. The pain from a sting typically only lasts about a minute but if it is a child and the parent overreacts then the effect can be lifelong for the child. I get about 25 stings 3 times a week (on purpose) from the bees I keep in my backyard. I do this to keep the symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis at bay and it works for me and many others. Don't be afraid of a few stings. They can work wonders. John >Al > From hrogers@arkansas.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:08:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7n5uei$emb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 22 02:08:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19661 Hi, NewBee -- It's been 10 days since you posted. You got good advice (both pro & con. Let us know what you decided and how things are going in case you decided to go for it. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------------------------- New Beeman wrote: > I amthinking of starting an new hive from a 4 frame nuke, in Portland > Oregon. The Bee supply place where I am getting the nukes are telling me > it is almost to late to start a new hive, i would need to feed plenty & > medicate. Ok I can feed plenty but i know nothing about medicating > them, for mites? or foulbrood? or both? > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Deformed wings Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:50:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932655038 204.186.180.14 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:50:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:50:38 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19662 Defiantly a Varroa Mite problem check this link out for a picture and info. http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pest&disease/sl18.html We have been treating with an herbal solution this summer, and it has been working so far. If you let it go to far they will not make it through the winter. Good luck! Royal Draper bowyerpounds wrote in message <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net>... >A friend of mine inspected his bees and found that a large number of bees >have severe deformations especially to their wings. This includes stunted >wings, mis-shaped wings, only one of a pair of wings etc. > >Although there is quite a lot of flying activity the grass in front of the >hive box is alive with bees who cannot fly and bees who can only fly a few >feet before having to land. > >We have a good nectar flow in Kent, England at this time of year and the >colony has a good level of stores. There is not a solitary crop in the >vicinity of the hive and we are not aware of any insecticide spraying - >although we cannot rule this out. > >I understand no varroa controls are in place and it is not known whether or >not the colony is infested. It is probable that there is some degree of >infestation. A course of Bayvarol is going to be started immediately. > >Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem (and solution) >might be. > >With best regards > >Matthew Pounds > > From sagehill@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I got the swarm - but where's the queen Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:27:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7n7gp0$vg4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 22 16:27:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsagehill Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19663 I decided to check the hive again last night (July 21) and drop in a frame of brood. Happy to report I found 5 frames of brood and the queen. Marked the queen and reversed the 2 supers. Should be able to build it up so its strong enough to last the winter. In article <7mvo8m$2md$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > > > I picked up a swarm July 11 - classic ball of bees on a branch 1 foot > off the ground. Put them in a super with 2 drawn frames and eight frames > with foundation only. > > I checked them on July 17 and found that four of the frames are nicely > built up, and they are storing lots of honey. However, there is no > brood, and no sign of a queen. > > What can i do to determine if there is a queen there or not? I'm > concerned that a colony with no queen may develop laying workers or > develop some other problem. > > If I could determine that no queen exists, I could merge the swarm with > another colony, or drop in a brood frame from another hive. > > Any suggestions out there? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-55.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much Honey... Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:19:57 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <379669B3.1176BBE0@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.37 X-Server-Date: 22 Jul 1999 01:25:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19664 In article <379669B3.1176BBE0@kingston.net>, beeman@kingston.net wrote: > Hi Charles, > > I have found that I extract around 40 lbs per medium box. I tried an > experiment this year with half the colonies using 10 frames per box and > the other half with 9. The boxs all weighed very close to the same, > around 60lbs. > > Kent Stienburg Thanks, Ken! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Mon Jul 26 10:20:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started...anyway Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:49:13 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37974B88.9E5D1598@lambton.on.ca> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19665 > > Sigmund Freud > > Like much of Freud's product, this sounds nice. But just about any > practicing therapist will tell you that when you get down to brass tacks, > most of what he thought up really hasn't much basis in fact; nor is it > very useful in everyday life. > > Virtually every culture in the world claims a belief, or beliefs, in a > higher being, or higher beings. How does it follow then that this is an invalid belief? > The need to develop such belief systems > is so primal, so innate, that most anthropologists consider it to be part > of the very definition of "human." > can you please offer your believe system which is not 'primal, nor innate'? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From hrogers@arkansas.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super on late? web site for frames. Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:46:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7n5t4t$e9j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 22 01:46:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19666 > i do believe i am about to put my second super on too late. i checked the > hive last week and saw they had sealed the honeycomb for the top half of > each frame, i was finally able to afford to get some more foundation for > the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday late, > rained friday, and now i am going to put it on today, what do i look for? > am i in big trouble you think? does anyone have a site with instruction > on how to add foundation on the frames, i need to check somethings and > had to return my library books. if possible cc an email. thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shelley, A pretty good rule-of-thumb for adding a super is when the top one is 2/3 full, and a honey flow in on or likely soon. Sounds like your honey flow had stopped and the frames were not full. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From michel_crichton@mitel.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mead Recipe? Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:55:39 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19667 Ok folks, it's probably been asked before here but I must have missed it the first few times around. Does anyone have a good stove top (no equipment needed) recipe for making mead? Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this stuff? I don't want to go blind or anything like that. Thanks in advance, Mich From gzooflup@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Information on queen cells Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:33:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7n6ogm$n3l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7U%i3.21$Xy.14284@ratbert.tds.net> <7mk5fg$a2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7mq00p$77r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.64.128.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 22 09:33:10 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 gvprox01.epo.nl:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE4), 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 145.64.38.26, 145.64.128.2 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgzooflup Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19668 In article <7mq00p$77r$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Hello, folks > I have a newbie question for you. What does a queen cell look like? Different ;-) Look for a *vertical* cell, 3 cm (1 inch) long on the side of the comb OR for something hanging down from the middle of a comb. > And out of a brood super, how much should be with brood vs honey? > preacher > That question is impossible to answer as it depends on your bees, the local conditions and the hive history. For example, the bees will fill everything they can with honey if there is a strong flow. Ideally, you want as much brood as possible in the brood super (and honey in the honey supper!). But if there is less than 1 comb food and 1 comb pollen for 8 combs brood in the total hive, your bees are at risk of starving in a week or so at this time of the year. In any case, the bees do as they please. What you'll need before winter depends on your local conditions. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nono@nono.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.86 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 932668835 216.98.69.86 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:40:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:40:35 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:40:35 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19669 I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method. I requeen using a nuc made up of three brood frames pulled from the hive I want to requeen. I introduce the new queen into this nuc which sits on the top of the hive I want to requeen with a double screen directly below it. After a few days I find the old queen and kill her, then intoduce the nuc to the hive with the newspaper method. Here are the draw backs to this method as I see it. 1. Making absolutely sure the old queen is not on the frames pulled. If you don't actually see the queen on the other frames then a ray of doubt persists. 2. Finding and killing the old queen when it comes time to introduce the nuc to the hive. If you can't find the old queen you are really stuck. From renfrow@skylands.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!ip-53.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? Message-ID: References: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:46:58 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-0BC/wERGf8gf+QsPADFywUmYOeU00wTJ1qmEvx1Hf3DQ82keoJxWkeR+MgVHZJrB3Fav5MxZy1eUVgO!enEVxA3BRaI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:50:46 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19670 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to other mead sites with recipes at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Regards, Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ In article , "Michel Crichton" wrote: > Ok folks, it's probably been asked before here but I must have missed it the > first few times around. > > Does anyone have a good stove top (no equipment needed) recipe for making > mead? > > Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this stuff? > I don't want to go blind or anything like that. > > > Thanks in advance, > Mich From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Force used when bee punctures skin? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:50:45 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <379874c4.4557470@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7mof3a$u3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.129.152.89 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:16:25 GMT X-Trace: 932609785.050.33 KRFRRPH9I9859CE81C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19671 Hi, The answer has to depend on the part of the body under attack . The forehead, with bone close behind it, and both tender, and thin skin might be easy to penetrate, while the palm of the hand, with callouses, and a great deal of flexibility, might be much more difficult . Be more specific . Say, f'rinstance, the back of the hand . Then, you could begin to quantify a useful answer . Ken . On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:26:45 GMT, beebee33 wrote: >I have been searching EVERYWHERE for the the answer to this question. >Does anyone have any idea of the amount of force used by a bee and / or >wasp to puncture the skin when they sting? Does anyone have any idea >where I might learn this information? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. RIFF„J From obriens@sky.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp2.cerf.net!attbtf!ip.att.net!mercury.cts.com!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:19:14 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 932610452 209.90.4.110 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:27:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:27:32 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19672 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com>... >In my neck of the woods there seems to be a lot more bumble bees than wild >honey bees. Are bumble bees generally more plentiful? They are fun to watch. >You can walk right through the floral areas and they won't sting. >They are easy to see. Too bad they can't come up with a genetic mutation of a >honey bee the size of a bumble bee. Does anybody keep bumble bee hives? >From what I know about Bumble bees you are correct in your observation about them being fairly docile. They are difficult to get them to sting, but they will sting. I don't believe that their sting is any more painful than a honey bee but I don't remember ever being stung by one, either. The reason you are seeing so many of them as opposed to honey bees is because in many honey bees have been decimated by infestations of mites as well as several other maladies and the Bumbles seem to be trying to take over the slack, it seems. I'm not real sure if Bumble Bees produce honey at least to the extent which honey bees do. BTW, when a Bumble bee stings it does not normally lose its stinger and die as honey bees do when they sting. From allend@internode.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: sprinklers and bee hives Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:03:51 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <000c01bed474$ef8c5980$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19673 > Turning on a srinkler in an apiary is a great way to calm > down over excited hives and stop robbing. The bees in the > air are wetted and return home or drop to the ground, and > the ones at home are reluctant to leave. Calms things down > quickly. The best trick I know to stop a robbing frenzy -- if it is all within the yard and not from a neighbour's bees -- is to simply remove every hive lid in the yard. The results are amazing. Wait until things have settled down or even maybe nightfall, and then put them on again. allen From shuston@riverace.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:21:16 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com> References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: zcI2R7JBdelldJg+7Xsbg8CIh9yNeLjI0BcNHlYyWHA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 19:21:18 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19674 Royal Draper wrote: > > Defiantly a Varroa Mite problem check this link out for a picture and info. > http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pest&disease/sl18.html Thanks! > We have been treating with an herbal solution this summer, and it has been > working so far. Could you please describe this solution and its use? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jesse.hunter@bms.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:20:33 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <379760F1.C686E4C1@bms.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19675 Freud sat around all day and masturbated and fantasized about having sex with his mother; not hardly a "normal and wholesome life". I don't particularly care for anyone coming in here and inferring that those of us with deep religious beliefs are hindered in our ability to lead wholesome lives. I think most would think the opposite is true. Put your trust in Jesus, not Freud. Jesse Hunter "Without the birds and bees, we wouldn't exist" Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > - > When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live > a normal and wholesome life. > > Sigmund Freud From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:20:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:34:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7n838m$80b$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932679766 8203 62.136.5.46 (22 Jul 1999 21:42:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:42:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19676 Michel Crichton wrote in message ... > >I don't want to go blind or anything like that. >>Thanks in advance, --------------------------------------------------------------- You've been reading too many postings about Freud! From shuston@riverace.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:06:09 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 50 Message-ID: <37972551.690FD397@riverace.com> References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: RK48wD/I99CVeBUyQde1nwrLrdAPJmV6KWYKJxyaBqY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 14:06:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19677 Hi Matthew, I had a deformed wing problem in one of my hives earlier this year. It was nowhere near as severe as your friend's seems to be - I saw a few deformed-wing bees a day. You can search in deja.com for the thread - it was about 1-2 months ago. Concensus in my case (using experts in this group) was "deformed wing virus" which is vectored by mites. I found no mite infestation in my case. I ended up switching out some older frames that came with the split I got to start this hive, and started feeding them syrup again (no supers). Today the hive's strength appears to be increasing and I haven't seen a deformed wing bee in a couple of weeks. I think checking for varroa is wise in your friend's case. -Steve bowyerpounds wrote: > > A friend of mine inspected his bees and found that a large number of bees > have severe deformations especially to their wings. This includes stunted > wings, mis-shaped wings, only one of a pair of wings etc. > > Although there is quite a lot of flying activity the grass in front of the > hive box is alive with bees who cannot fly and bees who can only fly a few > feet before having to land. > > We have a good nectar flow in Kent, England at this time of year and the > colony has a good level of stores. There is not a solitary crop in the > vicinity of the hive and we are not aware of any insecticide spraying - > although we cannot rule this out. > > I understand no varroa controls are in place and it is not known whether or > not the colony is infested. It is probable that there is some degree of > infestation. A course of Bayvarol is going to be started immediately. > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem (and solution) > might be. > > With best regards > > Matthew Pounds -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From eddie_gill@dp7uptx.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "eddie " Subject: bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: drpepper-gw.waymark.net/207.18.145.245 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 932676888303 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:54:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 932676888 216.200.3.205 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:54:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:54:48 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19678 I have a bee problem. How can i get rad of them? need help real bad. Please e-mail -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From calin@ozemail.com.au Mon Jul 26 10:20:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agressive or Defensive Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:09:37 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3796B5A0.8A17E59E@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 932623848 20713 203.63.79.234 (22 Jul 1999 06:10:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 06:10:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19679 I have just exchange e-mail with someone about why bees sting. The thrust of her question was whether bees just "attack" people any way. I pointed out the bees DEFEND themselves when they think it is threatened. We talk about bees as being docile or aggressive. It might be better say they are docile or DEFENSIVE. The word "aggressive" can give the public the wrong impression. I like to say that bees are never aggressive. Some are more defensive than others but that is not the same thing as being aggressive. It might sound insignificant to some people but I think if we all do, the public image of "dangerous bees" will shift. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:20:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:20:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7n838k$80b$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932679764 8203 62.136.5.46 (22 Jul 1999 21:42:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:42:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19680 ... >Jajwuth wrote in message ><19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com>... >>Too bad they can't come up with a genetic >mutation of a >>honey bee the size of a bumble bee. Does anybody keep bumble bee >hives? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ 1 Are you sure that 'they' have not? 2 Bumblebees are used extensively for pollination in glasshouses in the UK for crops such as strawberries. The Dutch seem to have perfected a method of breeding queens and then holding them at low temperature until they are needed. The small colonies are supplied in cardboard or polystyrene 'hives' - about the size of a shoe box - and come with a supply of food (pollen) and instructions for feeding with sugar syrup through a lift up flap in the top. Although bumblebees are naturally very docile, I suspect that these are bred to be even more so as they seem to ignore people moving around them or touching the box. I have been stung twice by bumblebees and can vouch that the sting is about the same as a honeybee - I had no reaction so assume that the venom is of a similar composition; in the UK the red-tailed bumblebee seems to be the most aggressive. First time I was stung was when we moved bees to the heather and I crouched down to take a photograph and sat on one - now I know why they are called BUMblebees! Second time was when I moved a nest - which I do fairly regularly, usually when someone needs to move something in their garden (perhaps a shed or a compost heap) and finds a nest. Simplest technique is to pick up the nest during the day and put it in a large plastic bowl; leave until after dark when all the bees have returned, cover with a cloth and move to a new site. They usually forage within about half a mile so can be moved a mile without much trouble. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:20:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:28:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7n838l$80b$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932679765 8203 62.136.5.46 (22 Jul 1999 21:42:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:42:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19681 bowyerpounds wrote in message <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net>... >A friend of mine inspected his bees and found that a large number of bees >have severe deformations especially to their wings. This includes stunted >wings, mis-shaped wings, only one of a pair of wings etc. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Almost certainly varroa and it is likely that the colony is already to far gone to save (and will disperse to infest surrounding colonies!) The broodnest is probably contracting now as the season comes to an end and all the varroa will head for the what brood is left. Varroa population increasing - brood area decreasing is the reason why colonies collapse so quickly as the number of varroa per cell will increase dramatically. This means that all new bees emerging will be damaged and you therefore have nothing to replace the current population as it dies off. Once seen - never forgotten. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:20:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:40:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-46.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 932679767 8203 62.136.5.46 (22 Jul 1999 21:42:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 21:42:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19682 John wrote in message ... >I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Best advice is: Do it at the right time: good flow; no robbing; bees not preparing to swarm. How: find and kill old queen; introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no food with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging brood where the bees would expect to find a queen. Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. From mank@pathway.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: mank Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen varieties Date: 22 Jul 1999 22:22:35 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7n85jb$fdj$0@208.231.49.182> Reply-To: mank@pathway.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.49.182 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19683 Hello everyone I would like to know what the difference is between Queen varieties.. Carniolan -- Italian etc... are they about the same or is one strain better producers than others ? meaner than others ? one variety can stand the cold better than another ? Thanks Marshall From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-57.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:14:26 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.39 X-Server-Date: 22 Jul 1999 06:20:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19684 In article <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live > a normal and wholesome life. > > Sigmund Freud Like much of Freud's product, this sounds nice. But just about any practicing therapist will tell you that when you get down to brass tacks, most of what he thought up really hasn't much basis in fact; nor is it very useful in everyday life. Virtually every culture in the world claims a belief, or beliefs, in a higher being, or higher beings. The need to develop such belief systems is so primal, so innate, that most anthropologists consider it to be part of the very definition of "human." -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:29:28 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 74 Message-ID: <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.0.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 932686194 16786 12.72.0.53 (22 Jul 1999 23:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:29:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19685 Having found two queens in one hive a couple of weeks ago, I moved one of them, along with about four frames into a separate box and filled out the rest of the box with foundation. Yesterday, I found a completed wasp nest made of grey mud on one of the empty frames. Upon cutting open the nest, I found what appeared to be a single pupa. In another hive, between the inner and outer covers, I found wasps building two more nests. This colony, too, has a small population. Bill Greenrose wrote: > > Real Name wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > My neighbor is having problems > > with ANTS . > > > > She asked me to post a request > > for further suggestions for dealing with > > them . > > > > And, I've been wondering, if ants will > > go after brood ? > > Seems to me, like adult bees would > > be too much for ants, but larva might > > be vulnerable, if not zealously > > protected . > > > > Considering how they attacked me, > > when I went poking around among the > > brood, I just assumed that ants would be > > in a world of hurt, but is that actually > > the case ? > > > > Ken . > > > > greetings, > > given the sweet tooth of many ant species, i suspect that they generally > prefer honey to brood. but, they are also opportunistic and might take > advantage of a weak colony. i DO know that, given the opportunity, bees > will go after ants with a vengeance. i saw this first hand earlier this > summer, when a colony of ants moved into the dead space between the > frame lugs [handles] and the spacers on the frames of one of my hives. > when i removed the box above that one and the ants were exposed to the > colony all heck broke loose. ants were scrambling around, trying to > pick up and move eggs and pupae, while the bees descended on them in an > angry horde. it was a pretty impressive battle. the ants, being small, > were hard for the bees to grab and sting, and they sure could bite the > bees. but, the bees had sheer numbers on them and just balled up the > individual ants. chewed 'em up and cleared them all out, before i > finished working the hive. the whole colony became pretty agitated from > the fight. fortunately, they took it out on the ants and not on me. > > on the other hand, the hive that is recovering from the bear attack of > last week had quite a large number of yellow jackets buzzing about it. > [they 'moved into' the box of bear-damaged frames that i left out for > the bees to rob.] don't think any actually made it inside the closed > hive while i was there, but they were very brazen about landing on the > comb, once i opened it up. the bees did not attack the yj's with the > ferocity i have seen this same hive exhibit towards yj's in the past. > depending on how they look this weekend, i may add a couple of frames of > brood from the other hive to give them a boost. > > bill > > ########################################## > > don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player > > bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] > greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hrogers@arkansas.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive or Defensive Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:00:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7n87q1$863$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3796B5A0.8A17E59E@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.106 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 22 23:00:22 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.106 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19686 Hi Chris, I agree with you all the way as to bees being defensive, but just beteen us Keepers, we know that some colonies are overly protective when we see no need for them to be. For instance, I once had a colony in a small yard of about a dozen colonies which was much more defensive than I felt was necessary. They always met me about 10 yards from the hive as I was approaching. They came at me with immediate stings, not just buzzing and bumping. Pete ------------------------------------- Chris Allen wrote: > I have just exchange e-mail with someone about why bees sting. > > The thrust of her question was whether bees just "attack" people any > way. > > I pointed out the bees DEFEND themselves when they think it is > threatened. > > We talk about bees as being docile or aggressive. It might be better say > they are docile or DEFENSIVE. > > The word "aggressive" can give the public the wrong impression. > I like to say that bees are never aggressive. Some are more defensive > than others but that is not the same thing as being aggressive. It might > sound insignificant to some people but I think if we all do, the public > image of "dangerous bees" will shift. > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-171.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started...anyway Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:30:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> <37974B88.9E5D1598@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ab X-Server-Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:35:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19687 In article <37974B88.9E5D1598@lambton.on.ca>, Mark Veltman wrote: > > > Sigmund Freud > > > > Like much of Freud's product, this sounds nice. But just about any > > practicing therapist will tell you that when you get down to brass tacks, > > most of what he thought up really hasn't much basis in fact; nor is it > > very useful in everyday life. > > > > Virtually every culture in the world claims a belief, or beliefs, in a > > higher being, or higher beings. > > How does it follow then that this is an invalid belief? > > > The need to develop such belief systems > > is so primal, so innate, that most anthropologists consider it to be part > > of the very definition of "human." > > > > can you please offer your believe system which is not 'primal, nor innate'? > Mebbe you're confused about my comment... I'm saying that Freud's statement is not valid. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-171.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sprinklers and bee hives Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:31:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <000c01bed474$ef8c5980$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.ab X-Server-Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:36:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19688 In article <000c01bed474$ef8c5980$02000003@allend>, "Allen Dick" wrote: > The best trick I know to stop a robbing frenzy -- if it is all within > the yard and not from a neighbour's bees -- is to simply remove every > hive lid in the yard. Any idea how/why this works? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:27:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.167 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 932617914 38.11.203.167 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:31:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:31:54 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19689 Wayne Hunsucker thinks big: >Somebody tell me why I should find an operation with 200 >hives. Sounds expensive Wayne, in a place with no nectar. Maybe you could pass the hat on those slim years. Another thing, as you've probably figured out by now, beekeepers are born and not made, like saints. One hive will do as much for your soul as 200, you'll just enjoy it more. Charles Kroeger - When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. Sigmund Freud From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jul 26 10:20:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-swelling Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Jul 1999 12:02:54 GMT References: <19990721223229.03574.00000427@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990722080254.09997.00001265@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19690 I have seen a gadget that heats the site of a sting or bite to denature the proteins in the area. I imagine this burns a little or at least feels damn hot. It was advertised in the catalogs that come in the junk mail. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com.MISMATCH!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:13:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7n71mu$1l62$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-41.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932645406 54466 209.130.165.41 (22 Jul 1999 12:10:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jul 1999 12:10:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19691 I do not wish to start any religious flame wars but Sigmund Freud was WAY OFF base with that statement...he, no doubt, was a very unhappy man. On the contrary...I believe because of our religious beliefs, my husband and I are able to find the strength to tend to our 2000 colonies! Now tell me that without faith that our bees will continue to provide a wholesome, full and humbling lifestyles as we have is not God's plan. Our honeybees brings us the satisfaction and means to feel a contribution to doing something worthy in God's eyes. It is a faith-testing business but extremely gratifying and I know we couldn't have made it this far without abit of devine intervention! Rev. Wayne - you do what's in your heart! Go for your dream! You have to try...build up to your 200 hives then you will know what is right! I will throw your statement back to you..."God's peace is peculiar. I hope you experience some today". --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com>, >ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > > >> When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live >> a normal and wholesome life. >> >> Sigmund Freud > >Like much of Freud's product, this sounds nice. But just about any >practicing therapist will tell you that when you get down to brass tacks, >most of what he thought up really hasn't much basis in fact; nor is it >very useful in everyday life. > >Virtually every culture in the world claims a belief, or beliefs, in a >higher being, or higher beings. The need to develop such belief systems >is so primal, so innate, that most anthropologists consider it to be part >of the very definition of "human." > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:45:34 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7n8kqj$1p7u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-43.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932697747 58622 209.130.165.43 (23 Jul 1999 02:42:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 02:42:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19692 Couldn't have said it much better than this...good advice! --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >John wrote in message ... >>I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >-------- > >Best advice is: > >Do it at the right time: > >good flow; >no robbing; >bees not preparing to swarm. > >How: > >find and kill old queen; >introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no food >with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; >place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging brood >where the bees would expect to find a queen. > >Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. > > > > From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.109 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 932699320 216.98.71.109 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:08:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:08:40 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:08:40 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19693 Is the Butler cage the standard three hole wooden cage generally used by queen breeders? In article <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... > > >John wrote in message ... >>I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >-------- > >Best advice is: > >Do it at the right time: > >good flow; >no robbing; >bees not preparing to swarm. > >How: > >find and kill old queen; >introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no food >with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; >place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging brood >where the bees would expect to find a queen. > >Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. > > > > From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started...anyway From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379a9d61.49098508@news.cidial.com> <37974B88.9E5D1598@lambton.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.109 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 932699232 216.98.71.109 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:07:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:07:12 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:07:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19694 test In article <37974B88.9E5D1598@lambton.on.ca>, mveltman@lambton.on.ca says... > >> > Sigmund Freud >> >> Like much of Freud's product, this sounds nice. But just about any >> practicing therapist will tell you that when you get down to brass tacks, >> most of what he thought up really hasn't much basis in fact; nor is it >> very useful in everyday life. >> >> Virtually every culture in the world claims a belief, or beliefs, in a >> higher being, or higher beings. > >How does it follow then that this is an invalid belief? > >> The need to develop such belief systems >> is so primal, so innate, that most anthropologists consider it to be part >> of the very definition of "human." >> > >can you please offer your believe system which is not 'primal, nor innate'? > >> >> -- >> Charles "Stretch" Ledford >> STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >> "North America and the Entire World" >> http://www.GoStretch.com > From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!cyclone-1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:02:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 932701950 24.95.169.104 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:52:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:52:30 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19695 Mainly thinking of the small radial machines, like the Dadant RANGER and or the Maxant 3100H. That ilc. Question is, with these small 6 -12 frame radials, and medium/shallow combs, how long does it take to spin out one load? Say, given that the honey is about average in viscosity and moisture. And does the small radius mean that the combs must be spun even longer than the time it takes for a more typical radial of 30, 50 or 100+ frames? Perhaps someone on the ng has used a Ranger or similar model might comment on the time required. Could it be that orienting the combs tangentially in such a small dia. extractor (and reversing them manually) is actually faster...? thanks for any insights From p.puk@pun.nl Mon Jul 26 10:20:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!surfnet.nl!barba.uci.kun.nl!not-for-mail From: "p.puk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking foor good picture of a bee Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:30:58 +0200 Organization: Universitair Centrum Informatievoorziening, The Netherlands Message-ID: <37982842.5286CD07@pun.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ib036.extern.kun.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19696 Hello, I'm looking for a high resolution color image of an 'ordinary' bee. Could somebody help me, for example with an Url of a website where I could download such a picture? Please email me, because I don't read this group to often... Many thanks in advance Bart b.v.elderen@let.kun.nl From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3795B296.10FFF962@Towner.net> <3795C6BD.32D4FD07@towner.net> <7n5aj7$mrg$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Reference Book Recommendations Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <2wEl3.343$Hs3.32233@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:54:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932648062 204.186.180.163 (Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:54:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:54:22 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19697 We had to pay that price for it too plus shipping. Plus we have to make some money to! Dadant has screwed all of their dealers by discontinuing their wholesale pricing. We just have to do what we have to do. We are looking for new suppliers as this is written. Timothy C. Eisele wrote in message <7n5aj7$mrg$1@campus1.mtu.edu>... >Royal Draper wrote: > >: I apologize, I was sure that they were there. > >: The Hive and the Honey Bee (hard cover) extensively revised 1992 -- $ = >: 55.00 > >Isn't that kind of steep, considering that Dadant (the publisher) lists >it at $36? > >-- >Tim Eisele >tceisele@mtu.edu From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com> Subject: Re: Deformed wings Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:16:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932732217 204.186.180.156 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:16:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:16:57 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19698 The solution we are using consists of a mixture of essential oils (mint and others) we apply it directly on the bottom board and between brood chambers. When the adult mites breath in the vapors they fall off the bee and die. The biggest draw back is that you have to apply it once a week for at least three weeks to get the mites emerging from the sealed brood, and conditions have to be just right to apply it temperatures in the 70 F + is when it works the best. But the advantages are we can use it with the honey supers on, as it does not affect the honey at all. Royal Draper Steve Huston wrote in message <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com>... >Royal Draper wrote: >> >> Defiantly a Varroa Mite problem check this link out for a picture and info. >> http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pest&disease/sl18.html > >Thanks! > >> We have been treating with an herbal solution this summer, and it has been >> working so far. > >Could you please describe this solution and its use? > >Thanks, > >-Steve > >-- >Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From preacherc@cvalley.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: doctrining bees Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:07:09 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7n9t2n$4b5$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-151.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 932738967 4453 208.232.214.151 (23 Jul 1999 14:09:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 14:09:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19699 I was wondering what some of you guys routin on medicating your bees. Can you give me your yearly recomendations. Thanks Dennis From shuston@riverace.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:14:21 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 51 Message-ID: <379878BD.EFD7B900@riverace.com> References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: POWcFCkirmQ1WUjlP5vdPuiqgrnHRGaRZh3wpwxSWpQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 14:14:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19700 Can I have the recipe please? Amounts, directions, application, and suggestions on where to get the ingredients would all be very appreciated. I want to try this out. Thanks! -Steve Royal Draper wrote: > > The solution we are using consists of a mixture of essential oils (mint and > others) we apply it directly on the bottom board and between brood chambers. > When the adult mites breath in the vapors they fall off the bee and die. The > biggest draw back is that you have to apply it once a week for at least > three weeks to get the mites emerging from the sealed brood, and conditions > have to be just right to apply it temperatures in the 70 F + is when it > works the best. But the advantages are we can use it with the honey supers > on, as it does not affect the honey at all. > > Royal Draper > > Steve Huston wrote in message <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com>... > >Royal Draper wrote: > >> > >> Defiantly a Varroa Mite problem check this link out for a picture and > info. > >> http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pest&disease/sl18.html > > > >Thanks! > > > >> We have been treating with an herbal solution this summer, and it has > been > >> working so far. > > > >Could you please describe this solution and its use? > > > >Thanks, > > > >-Steve > > > >-- > >Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > >Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > >Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > >Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-122.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking foor good picture of a bee Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:11:15 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <37982842.5286CD07@pun.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.7a X-Server-Date: 23 Jul 1999 14:16:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19701 In article <37982842.5286CD07@pun.nl>, "p.puk" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for a high resolution color image of an > 'ordinary' bee. Could somebody help me, for example > with an Url of a website where I could download such > a picture? Please email me, because I don't read > this group to often... > > Many thanks in advance > > Bart > b.v.elderen@let.kun.nl Hi, Bart... I have any number of very good, hi-rez photographs of bees. If you're interested, let me know what your intended usage is, and your budget. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com> <379878BD.EFD7B900@riverace.com> Subject: Re: Deformed wings Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:59:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932745561 204.186.180.70 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:59:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:59:21 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19702 Steve Huston wrote in message <379878BD.EFD7B900@riverace.com>... >Can I have the recipe please? Amounts, directions, application, and >suggestions on where to get the ingredients would all be very >appreciated. I want to try this out. > >Thanks! > >-Steve Steve, We do not produce this product ourselves, and the man who does will not give out the ingredient listing. If you really want some I could order it and forward it on to you. Your cost would be $ 18.00 + shipping for 1 oz. this amount will treat 5 hives about ten times or 50 applications. I will continue to use this until a better treatment comes along. Royal From rasselji@pt.lu Mon Jul 26 10:20:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!news!not-for-mail From: "Gilles Rassel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalkbrood Treatment Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:36:09 +0200 Organization: Entreprise des P&T Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp03-0708-004.pt.lu X-Trace: calais.pt.lu 932748195 10873 195.46.226.4 (23 Jul 1999 16:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.pt.lu NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 16:43:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19703 Hello, I have seveal questions about Chalkbrood: 1.Is THYMOL a wealthy chemical to treat CHALKBROOD? 2.Are there other chemicals used to treat CHALKBROOD? 3.Is it possible to fight Chalkbrood by drawing infected combs in 60C hot water? 4.Are new growing beens, workers also infected ? 5.Can you furnish me a procedure to install new natrually mated queens in onecomb beehive when all the other beehives are infected? 6.Is it possible that queens from other races can protect themselves against chalkbrood spores without the help of the beekeepers? Thanks for your help . It will be great to reply us to the following address:rasselji@pt.lu From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <6O1m3.633$Hs3.53000@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:40:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932751618 204.186.180.175 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:40:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:40:18 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19704 Here's a great way to treat chalkbrood. Take a 6.4 oz pack Terramycin and mix with a quart of 2 parts sugar 1 part water, put this in a spray bottle and spray directly onto all brood frames. Usually works with one treatment. This should not be done on frames containing honey that is for human consumption. www.draperbee.com Gilles Rassel wrote in message <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu>... >Hello, >I have seveal questions about Chalkbrood: >1.Is THYMOL a wealthy chemical to treat CHALKBROOD? >2.Are there other chemicals used to treat CHALKBROOD? >3.Is it possible to fight Chalkbrood by drawing infected combs in 60C hot >water? >4.Are new growing beens, workers also infected ? >5.Can you furnish me a procedure to install new natrually mated queens in >onecomb beehive when all the other beehives are infected? >6.Is it possible that queens from other races can protect themselves against >chalkbrood spores without the help of the beekeepers? >Thanks for your help . It will be great to reply us to the following >address:rasselji@pt.lu > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nabpe$s31$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Solar Melter Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:43:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932755400 204.186.180.101 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:43:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:43:20 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19705 The black color is Propolis, that the bees use to coat the brood combs. www.draperbee.com sagehill@my-deja.com wrote in message <7nabpe$s31$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I am using a solar melter. I put ugly black and broken comb on the top >tray which melts into yellow wax on the bottom tray. > >Why does the black comb turn yellow when melted down? Is the black >colour carbon? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From apimo@apimo.dk Mon Jul 26 10:20:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Please read! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:02:31 +0200 Organization: EDBi Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7naeg9$etd$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip69.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 932756809 15277 195.249.242.69 (23 Jul 1999 19:06:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 19:06:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19706 Dear Fellows. I am desperatly looking for a person (I dont have the name nor the e-mail address) that 22/6/99 registred my software. The mailserver failed to process the autogenerated message to me, so I don't know where to send the promissed CD-Room with the up to date software. Please . If you are the person in questin. e-mail me direct at this address : it_is_ME@apimo.dk best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) http://wn.com.au/apimo (Australia) http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk apimo@wn.com.au Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk From sagehill@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Melter Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:20:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7nabpe$s31$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 23 18:20:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsagehill Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19707 I am using a solar melter. I put ugly black and broken comb on the top tray which melts into yellow wax on the bottom tray. Why does the black comb turn yellow when melted down? Is the black colour carbon? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From melken@co.tds.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Gregory D. Mellott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:36:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.49.215.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 932769369 207.49.215.144 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:36:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:36:09 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19708 Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net>... >Having found two queens in one hive a couple of weeks ago, I moved one >of them, along with about four frames into a separate box and filled out >the rest of the box with foundation. Yesterday, I found a completed wasp >nest made of grey mud on one of the empty frames. Upon cutting open the >nest, I found what appeared to be a single pupa. In another hive, >between the inner and outer covers, I found wasps building two more >nests. This colony, too, has a small population. > >Bill Greenrose wrote: I have often wondered if using window screen with a few small holes would help a week colony defend itself better. Perhaps one may even modify that so the holes were extended into tubes of window screen so a guard bee might inflict a sting upon a wasp without getting bitten itself. Sincerely, Gregory D. Mellott From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:06:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.227 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 932771432 38.11.203.227 (Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:10:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:10:32 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19709 >Charles "Stretch" Ledford talked about Freud's product (product?) >and then --Busybee stood fast for Jesus >and then Jesse Hunter, a fanatic, gave his opinion, But, it's like this: the Reverend Hunsucker has his signature and I have mine. Such statements are an inalienable right in America at least. The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America says as much. It is from such fragile documents we are a great nation; not because of Jesus who comes and goes, or the government, good or bad. Who has beliefs among us so insecure they cannot be presented with a different view? America now suffers under the addiction of greed. Everyone likes to tell you what Jesus said but no one wants to live like Jesus lived. The consequence of this addiction will be reaping the whirlwind. Charles Kroeger - Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. Friedrich Nietzsche From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jul 26 10:20:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:09:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <7nau7c$9tg$7@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7n76ga$mgf$1@lure.pipex.net> <2dGl3.375$Hs3.33515@nnrp2.ptd.net> <37976F2C.B2F8C52B@riverace.com> <379878BD.EFD7B900@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p33.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19710 Steve Huston wrote: >Can I have the recipe please? Amounts, directions, application, and >suggestions on where to get the ingredients would all be very >appreciated. I want to try this out. >Thanks! >-Steve USDA developed this one and everything is available from Wall Mart. 75% Thymol 16% Eucaliptus Oil 4.5% Campher 4.5 % Menthol The solution is then applied to florists blocks and put in the top of the hive. Several treatments are used. I prefer as follows: To a 100 gram jar of thymol add 1/2 cake (1/2 oz.) of camphor and 1/2 oz. of menthol. Fill with eucaliptus oil and let stand for two days in the sun until everything is disolved. Buy the cheap (10 for a dollar in the dollar store) foam sponges and cut them in half. Wearing chemical gloves soak the sponges in the solution and squeeze them out. Put one 1/2 sponge in each hive. I like to use these every now and then between fluvalinate treatments. The apiary always smells nice too! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-coating Pierco Frames Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:37:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7nb1s0$2ft$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 24 00:37:20 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19711 Anybody try re-coating these? If so, did you use any special method, or does daubing new wax on with an ordinary paint brush work OK? Also, anybody have any ideas for a solvent which will leave the plastic unharmed, but will dissolve all the old wax? Offhand, I suppose successive rinsing in very hot water would do the trick, but perhaps somebody here has worked out a better method. Finally, in theory at least, it seems to me that these frames would be superior to wood/wax frames in case of an AFB outbreak, too, since re-coating them thoroughly should inter any spores beneath a barrier layer of wax. Thoughts, anyone? -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:20:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey in Old Brood Comb Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:46:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 24 00:46:24 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19712 Honey extracted from old brood comb has a spicier, more complex flavor than honey from newly-constructed comb, or comb in which brood has never been raised. Now, as I've recently read, and indeed, as is obvious, when a larva is being raised in a cell, it must necessarily also defecate in the cell. So the question suggests itself, ladies and gentlemen: What percentage of the spicier flavor of honey stored in old brood comb comes >from bee poop? Or in other words, what is the poop on the poop? Opinions, anyone? -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From southbee@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jar Labels Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:52:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nb2ng$2mu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3791BB3E.73BC8EF1@albany.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 24 00:52:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.12 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19713 Jim, If you have perhaps 1000 gallons of honey, yes, I suppose you could use a commercial printer. Us small folks use our computer, specifically Word to add clip art, etc., and either buy sheets of self-stick computer labels from the local office supply or other store, etc. and print on them or print directly on paper (nice if you have a color printer) and glue on jar. Also, check out avery.com for label software. Sincerely, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jul 26 10:21:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jar Labels Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 01:24:25 GMT References: <7nb2ng$2mu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990723212425.09792.00000772@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19714 Small skep labels from betterbee are 6.95 for a roll of 250 and have room for a rubber stamp with name address and phone. Local print shops can make you a stamp for 10-15 bucks. I got mine for a quart and a pint of honey. YMMV Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From southbee@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-swelling Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:06:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7nb3is$2ug$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <2pul3.12$Ig2.1504379@alpha.sky.net> <19990721223229.03574.00000427@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 24 01:06:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.12 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19715 Al, Read this thread with interest. I have kept an Epipen which is for people who have a severe anaphalactic reaction to bee stings (described in msg. 2). Your doctor can prescribe one for you to keep on hand in case someone visits and gets stung and has the bad reaction. It is not a pleasant thing to use, but in an emergency it may help give one more time enroute to the nearest hospital. I get a minor reaction, redness, swelling, sometimes headache or tingling as if the venom goes to the brain quickly, too. Taking a prescribed antihistamine tablet helps me a great deal in reducing the effect. I notice that the bee stings help my arthritis, as well. From what I've read, bees venom is stronger in the summer, too. Sincerely, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jul 26 10:21:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-coating Pierco Frames Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 01:25:45 GMT References: <7nb1s0$2ft$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990723212545.09792.00000774@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19716 Wax comes off pretty well after a little time in the freezer. Why not call Pierco and ask em- their number is on the piece of paper that comes with a box of frames. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in Old Brood Comb Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:10:18 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7nb75a$1lqq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-88.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932782058 55130 209.130.165.88 (24 Jul 1999 02:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 02:07:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19717 If you think about it, the food fed to developing larvae is honey and pollen. The amount of "waste" in a cell is so minute... and once the bee emerges its first job is to polish its own cell. --Busybee PC Boy wrote in message <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Honey extracted from old brood comb has a spicier, more >complex flavor than honey from newly-constructed comb, >or comb in which brood has never been raised. Now, as >I've recently read, and indeed, as is obvious, when a >larva is being raised in a cell, it must necessarily >also defecate in the cell. So the question suggests >itself, ladies and gentlemen: What percentage of the >spicier flavor of honey stored in old brood comb comes >from bee poop? Or in other words, what is the poop on >the poop? Opinions, anyone? > >-- >"My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts >me. They are the marks >of an insufferable privilege bought at the price >of others' agony." > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey to make beeswax Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 02:50:01 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990723225001.10902.00000709@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19718 I saw it at a craft store. They were selling something like foundation of beeswax. It is multi coloured and I guess used to make candles. Apparently customers are handling it and rendering it unsaleable, to a small degree. There is a sign saying bees have to consume 8.5 lbs of honey to make 1 lb of bee wax. Really, but it doesn't say how pure the honey is that is consumed. They are only a commercial enterprise who is protecting their profit margins. I'm surprised they don't say people are also starving don't waste food potential. The sign is quite misdirected. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive tool Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 03:18:21 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990723231821.03572.00000844@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19719 Does anybody use tools that are different from the traditional hive tool. I know of one gent that uses a sharpened flexible jimmy. I want to develop tools such as that for my own use. Anybody else have any suggestions. Beekeepers I read are quite inventive. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: commercial versus hobbyist Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 03:18:22 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19720 When I read the postings I try to tell whether they are from a hobbyist or a commercial beekeeper. My guess is that the postings that are more concise and straight forward are from the commercial operators. I also suspect that the commercial operators are less fizzled by alternative forms of beekeeping. Hobbyists tend to go into more book read jargon and science stuff. I myself like the straight shooting no b.s. type of replies. Both types are interesting. Al From kenking@hkstar.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!venus.hkstar.com!pegasus.hkstar.com!not-for-mail From: "kenking" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:26:32 +0800 Organization: Hongkong Telecom IMS Message-ID: <7nbc5h$4eh6@pegasus.hkstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wtsak005138.netvigator.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19721 From spcherub@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: spcherub@aol.com (SPCherub) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Midnight Bee Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 05:57:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19722 Hello all. I have been looking around for information on the Midnight hybrid but haven't found alot of info. I'd like to hear the pros and cons of this bee >from anyone who presently keeps them or has in the past. Thanks. Todd W. Palmetto, GA From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: commercial versus hobbyist Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:34:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7nc85p$1abm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-22.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932815865 43382 209.130.165.22 (24 Jul 1999 11:31:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:31:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19723 Hi Al - In the short time that I have been reading and posting here, I have formed a similar conclusion. IMO - The difference between a commercial and a hobbiest-- C - Not as concerned with individual hive performance because law of averages. A C looks at the big picture. I.E. the thread a few weeks ago about interchanging frames in within brood nests...someone said it sounded like a recipe for spreading disease...quite frankly...we DO interchange brood frames from hive to hive if it is necessary. If disease is found in one hive it will most likely be found in more than just that one. I would venture to say that most C people treat a yard the way hobbiest treat a hive. C's for the most part do Not use queen excluders (a.k.a. honey excluder)...waste of time. A C makes his living on the amount of honey produced. A C relies on the packer to polish the honey. This does not mean a C does not care about the quality of his honey...we produce a premium grade honey. I know that in our business it is a nice feeling to recieve comments and incentives back (from Sioux Honey Association) that we have been graded out with flying colors! A 1 cent bonus could mean a difference of a $1,000. I would not be able to sleep at night either if I produced less than my best for my family and my honey consumer. From the vibes I'm picking up from this ng...most H's think C's don't care about quality (in product and practices) is definately NOT true! H's and C's just have different goals and practices vary widely from keeper to keeper. Hobbiest and commercials do need each other! I've said it before...even if you have one hive or thousands...it is in the best interest to all to attend meetings to stay on top of things as far as industry news! Jajwuth wrote in message <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com>... >When I read the postings I try to tell whether they are from a hobbyist or a >commercial beekeeper. My guess is that the postings that are more concise and >straight forward are from the commercial operators. I also suspect that the >commercial operators are less fizzled by alternative forms of beekeeping. >Hobbyists tend to go into more book read jargon and science stuff. I myself >like the straight shooting no b.s. type of replies. Both types are interesting. > >Al > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:21:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to make beeswax Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:35:37 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: <3s+o+DAJUam3Ewx+@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <19990723225001.10902.00000709@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932816156 nnrp-14:16843 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19724 In article <19990723225001.10902.00000709@ngol08.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes > saw it at a craft store. They were selling something like foundation of >beeswax. It is multi coloured and I guess used to make candles. Correct. >Apparently >customers are handling it and rendering it unsaleable, to a small degree. There >is a sign saying bees have to consume 8.5 lbs of honey to make 1 lb of bee wax. I would think 8.5 lbs is about right, but differen books give differing ratios. >Really, but it doesn't say how pure the honey is that is consumed. About as pure as you can get >They are >only a commercial enterprise who is protecting their profit margins. I'm >surprised they don't say people are also starving don't waste food potential. 8.5 lbs of honey wouln't feed many people. Anyway, worldwide, the church burns tons of wasx per year in the form of candles >The sign is quite misdirected. How? > -- Tom Speight From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sting-swelling Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:41:30 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7nc8je$1nla$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <2pul3.12$Ig2.1504379@alpha.sky.net> <19990721223229.03574.00000427@ngol01.aol.com> <7nb3is$2ug$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-22.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932816302 57002 209.130.165.22 (24 Jul 1999 11:38:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:38:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19725 I feel it (the tingling) in my back...interesting... --Busybee southbee@my-deja.com wrote in message <7nb3is$2ug$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... or >tingling as if the venom goes to the brain quickly, too. >southbee > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:49:28 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7nc92c$1mnu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-22.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932816780 56062 209.130.165.22 (24 Jul 1999 11:46:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:46:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19726 Terramycin is a registered trademark of the Pfizer Co. for the recommended drug control of foulbrood. As with all drugs, directions should be followed carefully. It is generally fed (mixed in with feeding syrup or in grease patties) very early in the spring...long before (a minimum of 30 days) a honey flow. Any bee supplier should carry it. --Busybee Gilles Rassel wrote in message <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu>... >Hello, >I have several questions about the subject "Terramycin": >1.Can you give me a short description and explain me what Terramycin is? >2.Where can I get it? >Thanks for your help. It will be great to reply us. >Thank you. > > > From luke.stuart@virgin.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!den-news-01.qwest.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jar Labels Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:44:55 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7nc8nb$rq7$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <7nb2ng$2mu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990723212425.09792.00000772@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-57-virgin7.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net 932816427 28487 212.250.36.57 (24 Jul 1999 11:40:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:40:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19727 BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990723212425.09792.00000772@ng-ca1.aol.com>... >Small skep labels from betterbee are 6.95 for a roll of 250 and have room for a >rubber stamp with name address and phone. >Local print shops can make you a stamp for 10-15 bucks. >I got mine for a quart and a pint of honey. YMMV > > >Tom > > > >There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com You may like to know milk is good to stick labels to glass for honey jars etc.Just wet the paper in the milk and wipe it onto the jar, when dry it sticks very well. When you want to remove the label they soak off easily in hot water. This is good for a small production it gets a bit tedious after 30 or so jars. Luke From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:44:49 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932818168 209.69.69.135 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:09:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:09:28 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19728 Michel Crichton wrote in message news:vWIl3.1054$x7.20622046@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... > Ok folks, it's probably been asked before here but I must have missed it the > first few times around. > > Does anyone have a good stove top (no equipment needed) recipe for making > mead? > > Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this stuff? > I don't want to go blind or anything like that. > > > Thanks in advance, > Mich > >Here is my Prize winning recipie for mead. It uses simple tecniques that I have documented to the middle ages. (Vikings didn't have air locks or yeast nutrients.) It has been tried by many people, with an excellent success rate. Bad batches can usually be traced to contaminated equipment, so make sure everything you use is really clean! No dangers of explosions, etc. The worst thing that can happen is that you end up with vinegar, and even that is yummy on salads, etc. Ellen Spiced Mead 5 lb. Honey 4 quarts Water 1/4 lb.Candied Ginger, finely chopped 3 T Whole cloves three tablespoons each of any 2- 3 of the following Mace Cassia Buds Whole Nutmegs, broken up Whole allspice Whole Cinnamon sticks, broken up Star Anise Cardamom Or any other sweet spice 1 Cake of Red Star moist yeast or 1 envelope Traditional Red star yeast Combine water and honey in enameled canning kettle or stainless steel kettle and bring to a rolling boil for ten minutes. Skim off froth rising to surface. Put spices into liquid during the last 5 minutes of boiling. Remove from heat and add finely chopped ginger. Set aside to cool to lukewarm. Leave all spices in mead during the first fermentation. When lukewarm, break up moist yeast and sprinkle over surface. (Granulated yeast may be used, but moist yeast gives better results.) Cover with muslin, and put in a warm place to ferment for two weeks. No stirring is necessary. After two weeks, strain through several thickness' of cheesecloth, and return to kettle to settle for one week. Siphon into clean sterilized bottles. Fill completely full, and cork lightly. When all fermentation has stopped (No more bubbles appear on sides and neck of bottles.)cork tightly and seal with wax. Age for at least three months. Better after 6-12 months. Very good served hot. Ellen Anglin From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:35:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932818167 209.69.69.135 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:09:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:09:27 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19729 > Could it be that orienting the combs tangentially in such a small dia. > extractor (and reversing them manually) is actually faster...? > I don't know about the radial extractors, but I use a hand cranked three frame tangential extractor. You have to put the combs in place, crank it up to speed and spin long enough to extract about 1/2 the honey from one side. Stop cranking, wait for the reel to slow down (No brake on mine and drag on the handle is likely to strip the axle.) Then the combs have to be reversed, & the opposite side extracted. Stop extractor, shift the comb over so you can extract the 1 inch wide strip blocked by the brace in the middle of the screen support, spin again. Reverse the combs back to the original side, check the balance, spin again, check the blocked strip and shift the combs if necessary, spin one last time. Takes about 2-3 minutes to crank it up to speed and let it slow down again. More it the honey is really thick. Since I find I have to reverse the frames or shift the combs 4 or five times, it takes maybe ten minutes to extract each group of three combs. This is a rough guess, but It did take my husband and I about 3 hours to set up, extract, and clean up after 4 supers of honey- and probably an hour of that was set up and clean up. (1/2 hour per 9 frame super) While this isn't very fast, I can uncap three frames in about the same time it takes him to extract- so we keep roughly even! If I get the radial extractor I want, We still won't be able to extract any faster than we can uncap the frames! Ellen From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jul 26 10:21:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jar Labels Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 12:39:13 GMT References: <7nc8nb$rq7$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990724083913.26509.00000673@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19730 The labels I refer to from Betterbee are self adhesive. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu> Subject: Re: Terramycin Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <8zim3.762$Hs3.67845@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:44:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932820292 204.186.180.65 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:44:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:44:52 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19731 Terramycin is a broad-spectrum antibiotic, (oxytetracycline) Used for control and treatment of diseases in livestock and honeybees. For honeybees the main use is for treatment and prevention of foul brood a disease caused by Bacillus larvae. It is fed in sugar syrup or in a dry mixture to the bees in spring and fall, before and after honey supers are put on or taken off. We sell Terramycin click on the link http://www.draperbee.com/beesupplies/supplies.htm Royal W. Draper 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com Gilles Rassel wrote in message <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu>... >Hello, >I have several questions about the subject "Terramycin": >1.Can you give me a short description and explain me what Terramycin is? >2.Where can I get it? >Thanks for your help. It will be great to reply us. >Thank you. > > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Midnight Bee Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:57:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 932821026 204.186.180.65 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:57:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:57:06 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19732 Our operation of 1000 colonies is about 1/3 Midnites and have found them to be a good bee. In our area (NE Penn) they tend to start brooding up a little late, but they catch up quickly. They are said to be gentler, but we have not really noticed a difference. They have, so far wintered good, although we have had a few years in a row of mild winters. I do not know this for a fact, but they appear to be slightly smaller then their Italian counterparts, this however does not seem to affect the production rate, we averaged about 116 lbs of honey per colony last year. We requeen at least once every two years, so I can not comment on the queens productivity after that time period. Royal W. Draper www.draperbee.com SPCherub wrote in message <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com>... >Hello all. I have been looking around for information on the Midnight hybrid >but haven't found alot of info. I'd like to hear the pros and cons of this bee >from anyone who presently keeps them or has in the past. Thanks. > >Todd W. >Palmetto, GA From rasselji@pt.lu Mon Jul 26 10:21:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.online.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!news!not-for-mail From: "Gilles Rassel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:02:51 +0200 Organization: Entreprise des P&T Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02-0708-020.pt.lu X-Trace: calais.pt.lu 932810909 25491 195.46.225.20 (24 Jul 1999 10:08:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.pt.lu NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 10:08:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19733 Hello, I have several questions about the subject "Terramycin": 1.Can you give me a short description and explain me what Terramycin is? 2.Where can I get it? Thanks for your help. It will be great to reply us. Thank you. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-107.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.6b X-Server-Date: 24 Jul 1999 15:13:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19734 In article <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com>, ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford talked about Freud's product (product?) > > >and then --Busybee stood fast for Jesus > > >and then Jesse Hunter, a fanatic, gave his opinion, > > But, it's like this: the Reverend Hunsucker has his signature and I have > mine. Such statements are an inalienable right in America at least. > The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America > says as much. It is from such fragile documents we are a great nation; > not because of Jesus who comes and goes, or the government, good or bad. > Damn straight. I agree with this statement 100%. I disagree with Freud's assertion, which you put up for public discussion and dissection. Don't be so defensive. ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From mlamana@bestweb.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pesticide question...please help! Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:30:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.179.5.10 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 932830253 216.179.5.10 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:30:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:30:53 EDT Organization: BestWeb (bestweb.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19735 Hi everyone! This is my first posting to the group. I am a rank amateur hobbiest with a mere one hive of my own, but I have extensive training in entomology. I am posting this question on behalf of a friend who is having the problem. He has 5 hives in his backyard in a residential part of a very rural area. 3 weeks ago, all of the hives started dying en masse as exhibited by thousands of dead bees on the ground that he had to clean up with a shovel. He immediately suspected pesticides as a culprit, but was and is still unsure of the genesis of the contamination and more importantly how to proceed. We have sent samplesof the dead bees to the Extension Service for analysis...no answer yet. Two hypotheses: 1.) Angry neighbor with a can of Raid; or 2.) bees foraging in a nearby orchard (there are some) where spraying may be routine. The question I need to answer is whether the hives can be combined and salvaged (a few still have queens), or whether to comb, pollen, honey storesd are so contaminated that some or all need to be destroyed. I have just come from his yard, and bees are still dying. Perhaps more importantly, yellowjackets that have invaded the weaker hives to rob the stores are also lying dead about the entrances. Field bees are still coming in with pollen baskets full. Upon inspection we saw that numbers are very low, very little brood/eggs in the hives that still have queens, and (in my opinion) a lot of drones for the number of bees total in each hive. Please, if any of you have an idea of how you'd proceed please share your thoughts! Thanks!! Mike L. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to make beeswax Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 24 Jul 1999 15:39:44 GMT References: <3s+o+DAJUam3Ewx+@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990724113944.21499.00000928@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19736 Tom Speight writes: >8.5 lbs of honey wouln't feed many people. >Anyway, worldwide, the church burns tons of wasx per year in the form of >candles > >>The sign is quite misdirected. >How? >> In a way I think you have answered your own question. If the store equates honey with wax it makes no difference. They don't sell honey. The decision has already made to harvest the wax. Who is the customer suppose to feel sorry for, the bees. They have already lost their wax, Wax is a manufacured product like any other product. The inputs are unimportant. When beekepers sell honey in comb do they say for every lb of honey in the comb another 1/3 lb is used by the bees to make the comb, Maybe the store should send the damn sign to the church ask them to conserve wax. Al Al From beeman@kingston.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:43:56 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.23.176 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:41:32 GMT X-Trace: 932834492.312.37 QANSHOMNI17B0CE2FC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19737 Hi Joel, Thought I would reply to the group instead of personally. I built my own radial extractor last year. I also installed a motor. My extractor is a 6 frame with a basket diameter of 27 inches. I'm happy with the dryness of the medium comb after 8 minutes at 302 rpm. Your required speed will very, depending on the diameter of your basket. The smaller the diameter, the slower speed required. It's a good honey year here in Eastern Ontario. Kent From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: commercial versus hobbyist Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:25:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7ncquq$3fe$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19738 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >When I read the postings I try to tell whether they are from a hobbyist or a >commercial beekeeper. My guess is that the postings that are more concise and >straight forward are from the commercial operators. I also suspect that the >commercial operators are less fizzled by alternative forms of beekeeping. >Hobbyists tend to go into more book read jargon and science stuff. I myself >like the straight shooting no b.s. type of replies. Both types are interesting. >Al I know that I have said this before, but the difference between a commercial beekeeper and a master beekeeper (EAS certified hobbyist beekeeper) is that a master beekeeper would starve to death if he or she had to make a living off of bees! Greg he beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <379df251.6124691@news.cidial.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:10:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.174 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 932836478 38.11.203.174 (Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:14:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:14:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19739 Charles "Stretch" Ledford says: >Don'tbe so defensive. ;) Me? Must be from working with Large American Bumblebees! C.K. - The U.S. government and the Biotech industry feel threatened by the existence of organic alternatives to biotechnology and pesticides. Michael Sligh, Former chairman of the National Organic Standards Board From jslavett@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Hasta B. Shasta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:34:46 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3799F936.EB2CDA97@worldnet.att.net> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> Reply-To: jslavett@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.192.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 932837548 2560 12.72.192.123 (24 Jul 1999 17:32:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 17:32:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WorldNet (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19740 My family has had a rule for generations for how to have harmonious holiday dinners: never discuss politics nor religion. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > In article <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com>, > ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > > > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford talked about Freud's product (product?) > > > > >and then --Busybee stood fast for Jesus > > > > >and then Jesse Hunter, a fanatic, gave his opinion, > > > > But, it's like this: the Reverend Hunsucker has his signature and I have > > mine. Such statements are an inalienable right in America at least. > > The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America > > says as much. It is from such fragile documents we are a great nation; > > not because of Jesus who comes and goes, or the government, good or bad. > > > > Damn straight. I agree with this statement 100%. I disagree with Freud's > assertion, which you put up for public discussion and dissection. Don't > be so defensive. ;) > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: commercial versus hobbyist Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:11:24 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 48 Message-ID: <379A1DEC.26BA4295@valley.net> References: <19990723231822.03572.00000845@ngol01.aol.com> <7nc85p$1abm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19741 busybee wrote: > . From the vibes I'm > picking up from this ng...most H's think C's don't care about quality (in > product and practices) is definately NOT true! H's and C's just have > different goals and practices vary widely from keeper to keeper. > > greetings, as a hobbyist, and strictly speaking for myself [although i suspect that i do speak for other hobbyists], i have never thought that commercial beekeepers don't care about quality. one of the things that attracted me to this group 3 years ago was the commitment to standards expressed by all those who posted. there have been numerous threads on the value of following label directions, hive maintenance, the relative taste and quality of one variety of honey as compared to another, etc. it has been obvious to me from the beginning that there is a genuine concern to 1) produce the best possible product and 2) raise the healthiest possible bees [probably in reverse order]. i do know that commercial beekeepers approach things a little differently, but that is the nature of large scale animal husbandry. frankly, i don't know how you all do it, since my little hobby apiary is plenty enough work for me. large-scale production does not automatically mean reduced quality. i was quality assurance manager for lee & perrins [the company that makes worschestershire sauce] some years back, and you could eat off the floors in that plant. anyway. i'll get off my soapbox. just wanted to make it clear that it is not a given that the hobbyists in this group in any way look askance at the way in which commercialists [word?] keep bees. in fact, if you took a poll, i'm sure such opinions would be in the distinct minority. well, i've gotta decide if it's gonna rain in the next half hour or so, 'cause i want to put my escape boards in so i can harvest supers tomorrow. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:21:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:02:48 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ndh1o$6d4$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-75.finasteride.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 932857720 6564 62.136.67.75 (24 Jul 1999 23:08:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jul 1999 23:08:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19742 John wrote in message ... >Is the Butler cage the standard three hole wooden cage generally used by >queen breeders? >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Cage was invented by Colin Butler (who discovered, with others, queen substance). Cage is a simple construction of approx 1/8" mesh what I think you call hardware cloth - woven wire - approx 3" x 3/4" x 3/4", closed at one end (usually with a small block of wood which fits into the end and is held by staples. The queen is run in and the open end closed by a single piece of newspaper help with a rubber band. The bees will usually release her in about 2 hours by chewing away the paper. You can simply insert a piece of paper loosely and this seems to work just as well. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sticky Business! Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-102.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932869642 22150 209.130.165.102 (25 Jul 1999 02:27:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 1999 02:27:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19743 Whew! Finally started extracting on Thursday...all going well so far (fingers crossed :-). Thursday extracted 8 drums, yesterday pulled, today extracted 10 drums...1/10 done with first rounds. Tomorrow doing a local parade. My 5 yr. old has a bee outfit and she is handing out freeze pops (unfrozen) with an announcement to our open house in August. There's a catch...if they fill out the 5 questions and return it to us by our open house they have a chance to win a Ty Beanie Babie (Beezee) a bear dressed as a bee. Had a trial run this am. when we sat at the local farmers market with our trivia questions...people are not very good at knowing the answers... Thought you fellow beekeepers would get a kick at this... Questions are: 1. Honeybees collect pollen and ___________ from flowers. 2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of _______________. 3. There are many workers and drones in a colony but only one_______. 4. The transfer of pollen to one flower to another is called ____________. 5. After losing her stinger, a honeybee _____________. I looked through them earlier tonight and found only two people has answered all correctly! (out of 16...we left early as my helper had to go to the bathroom) Oh...one of the two people was my helper :-) (hehehe)...so is disqualified! --Busybee From pdillon@club-internet.fr Mon Jul 26 10:21:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: DEFORMED WINGS Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:33:00 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3798DF8C.FF070750@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: chateauroux-3-120.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 932762440 23492 195.36.140.120 (23 Jul 1999 20:40:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jul 1999 20:40:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19744 Hello to all,
Regarding the problem of bees with deformed wings:
Last year I noticed the same problem in about 20% of my apiaries, starting at the end of june.
The hives were apparently stable regarding their population, but produced very little harvest.
The population collapse came at the end of August- the hives having the appearance of having just swarmed, i.e. half empty.
They were treated with apistan, but it was too late to recover and by the spring I had lost just under 100 colonies.
V.j. creeps up until it is too late, hence the need to constantly check V.j.population levels in hives, as there is the constant possibility the a treatment has not been successful, for what ever reason.
The moral of the story is- don't presume things are all right, as you will find out it's not- when it is too late, and then you have a lot of dead hives in the back yard. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jul 26 10:21:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 03:17:08 GMT References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990724231708.01446.00001513@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19745 >Questions are: > >1. Honeybees collect pollen and Penncap M from flowers. >2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of many layers of burr and brace comb. >3. There are many workers and drones in a colony but only one nail in this capped frame. >4. The transfer of pollen to one flower to another is called two weeks ofr rain. >5. After losing her stinger, a honeybee can still manage to crawl inside your ear. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:59:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7neqge$kuu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990724231708.01446.00001513@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-44.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932900174 21470 209.130.165.44 (25 Jul 1999 10:56:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 1999 10:56:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19746 Ah, Jeez, BeeCrofter...I knew there would be one joker in the crowd! I'm *reluctantly* putting your name in my drawing =) My hopes are that my Beezee will end up going to a good home and my questions were a way of screening out the "riff-raff"... --Busybee (still chuckling) BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990724231708.01446.00001513@ng-cq1.aol.com>... > >>Questions are: >> >>1. Honeybees collect pollen and Penncap M from flowers. >>2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of many layers of burr and brace comb. >>3. There are many workers and drones in a colony but only one nail in this >capped frame. >>4. The transfer of pollen to one flower to another is called two weeks ofr >rain. >>5. After losing her stinger, a honeybee >can still manage to crawl inside your ear. > > > >Tom > > > >There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7nb75a$1lqq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Honey in Old Brood Comb Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5ICm3.349$XM5.8739@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:52:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932902785 209.69.69.112 (Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:45 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19747 The cell is polished clean, and also some claim that it get coated with propolis. Propolis smells spicy to me- maybe it is the oils from the propolis that add spiciness to honey from darkened combs... Just speculating.... Ellen busybee wrote in message news:7nb75a$1lqq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > If you think about it, the food fed to developing larvae is honey and > pollen. The amount of "waste" in a cell is so minute... and once the bee > emerges its first job is to polish its own cell. > > --Busybee > > > PC Boy wrote in message <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >Honey extracted from old brood comb has a spicier, more > >complex flavor than honey from newly-constructed comb, > >or comb in which brood has never been raised. Now, as > >I've recently read, and indeed, as is obvious, when a > >larva is being raised in a cell, it must necessarily > >also defecate in the cell. So the question suggests > >itself, ladies and gentlemen: What percentage of the > >spicier flavor of honey stored in old brood comb comes > >from bee poop? Or in other words, what is the poop on > >the poop? Opinions, anyone? > > > >-- > >"My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts > >me. They are the marks > >of an insufferable privilege bought at the price > >of others' agony." > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Beekeeping equipment in Michigan Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5ICm3.350$XM5.8739@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:41:06 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 932902785 209.69.69.112 (Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:45 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19748 Came across an ad for used beekeeping equipment last week- Finally got hold of the gentleman yesterday. Purchased what I could afford, and I promised to forward this list to those who might be interested. Equipment has been stored for about five years. Wood is in good to excellent condition. (Stored indoors.) Some combs are still intact and might be usable. Less wax moth and mouse damage than I expected. Here's a partial list 100+ hive bodies with frames approx. 60 shallow supers, most with frames 4 frame tangential extractor- nearly new in box unassembled frames 60-100 lbs wax foundation- deep and shallow wired Hive top feeders Assorted lids, bases, queen excluders, and escape boards. He also has two piles of "Junk" hive bodies and stuff that probably contain salvageable frames and stuff- needs a lot of work. The equipment is in the Metro Detroit area. (Roseville, near the Macomb Mall) Email Jim Hillock at amhillock@aol.com Or phone him at (810) 294-1905 From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sticky Business! Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:20:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ndsma$lk6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> To: busybee X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 25 Jul 1999 12:24:01 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Jul 25 05:25:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust133.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379B0103.3ACA@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19749 busybee wrote: > > Whew! Finally started extracting on Thursday...all going well so far > (fingers crossed :-). Thursday extracted 8 drums, yesterday pulled, today > extracted 10 drums...1/10 done with first rounds. > > Tomorrow doing a local parade. My 5 yr. old has a bee outfit and she is > handing out freeze pops (unfrozen) with an announcement to our open house in > August. There's a catch...if they fill out the 5 questions and return it to > us by our open house they have a chance to win a Ty Beanie Babie (Beezee) a > bear dressed as a bee. Had a trial run this am. when we sat at the local > farmers market with our trivia questions...people are not very good at > knowing the answers... > > Thought you fellow beekeepers would get a kick at this... > > Questions are: > > 1. Honeybees collect pollen and _nectar__________ from flowers. > 2. The six-sided honeycomb is made of _beeswax______________. > 3. There are many workers and drones in a colony but only one_queen______. > 4. The transfer of pollen to one flower to another is called _pollination__________. > 5. After losing her stinger, a honeybee kisses her ass good-by and dies___________. > > I looked through them earlier tonight and found only two people has answered > all correctly! (out of 16...we left early as my helper had to go to the > bathroom) Oh...one of the two people was my helper :-) (hehehe)...so is > disqualified! > > --Busybee From ruchers.belair@wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 26 10:21:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news0.de.colt.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.maz.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "ruchers.belair" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis solutions Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:22:10 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Message-ID: <7nf3e5$ps5$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tntchev1-56.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 932909317 26501 164.138.104.56 (25 Jul 1999 13:28:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jul 1999 13:28:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19750 Is anybody knowing how to prepare propolis solutions ( alcohol or oil) and creams, which and how much alcohol you use to blend with propolis ? Thanks for every reply, and Good Honey for everybody !!! From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 16:08:03 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19751 At the market I bought the video Ullie's Gold. The guy selling gave me a discount since he said there wasn't much of a market for beekeeping videos. He made the comment first and then asked me if I'm a beekeeper. The character Fonda portayed lacks any "umph". A word I heard at a place I once worked . Hopefully beekeepers can be portayed in a better light. I think they are a unique type deserving a better portrayal. I liked the setting and his honey house. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in Old Brood Comb Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:40:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7ng095$anb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nb2d0$2kd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7nb75a$1lqq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <5ICm3.349$XM5.8739@ord-read.news.verio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 25 21:40:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19752 In article <5ICm3.349$XM5.8739@ord-read.news.verio.net>, "Ellen Anglin" wrote: > The cell is polished clean, and also some claim that it get coated with > propolis. Propolis smells spicy to me- maybe it is the oils from the > propolis that add spiciness to honey from darkened combs... > Just speculating.... > Ellen > > busybee wrote in message > news:7nb75a$1lqq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > > If you think about it, the food fed to developing larvae is honey and > > pollen. The amount of "waste" in a cell is so minute... and once the bee > > emerges its first job is to polish its own cell. > > > > --Busybee Two things: 1. Whatever causes the spicy flavor must be water-soluble, no? Propolis doesn't meet that description very well, as anyone who has tried to wash it off using water can attest. 2. Any bee poop would be under the pupal shell (assuming there is no additional defecation during pupation), so how could a bee possibly clean it all off? Some would remain under the shell in any event. Thanks for playing, though! -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. magazine. http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Shrinking Bees Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:53:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 25 21:53:48 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19753 OK, here's a question for the bee experts here: If a bee, after it pupates in its cell, does not remove the pupal case, how come bees of successive generations don't get progressively smaller, as each liner not removed must necessarily decrease the available cell volume for the next occupant? -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. magazine. http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:00:38 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> References: <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:18:34 GMT X-Trace: 932941114.645.59 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19754 Jajwuth wrote: > > At the market I bought the video Ullie's Gold. The guy selling gave me a > discount since he said there wasn't much of a market for beekeeping videos. He > made the comment first and then asked me if I'm a beekeeper. > The character Fonda portayed lacks any "umph". A word I heard at a place I once > worked . Hopefully beekeepers can be portayed in a better light. I think they > are a unique type deserving a better portrayal. I liked the setting and his > honey house. I never really thought of myself as a freak...but I love to freak. Easy Rider (1969) *Every* character Peter Fonda plays lacks umph, unless you think he was hot stuff in Easy Rider delivering "groovy" in his deadpan style. Personally, I was there to check out the bike. BTW, Ullie's Gold is a beekeeping video like Easy Rider is a motorcycle maintenance video. AL From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:02:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <379B8959.619C@midwest.net> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> <3799F936.EB2CDA97@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:19:58 GMT X-Trace: 932941198.645.22 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19755 Hasta B. Shasta wrote: > > My family has had a rule for generations for how to have harmonious > holiday dinners: never discuss politics nor religion. Sounds like a good policy for this group. AL From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:10:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <379B8B5C.193A@midwest.net> References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:28:31 GMT X-Trace: 932941711.024.83 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19756 kent stienburg wrote: > > Hi Joel, > > Your required > speed will very, depending on the diameter of your basket. The smaller > the diameter, the slower speed required. I suspect that is a typo. The smaller dia. cage will require a higher rpm to develop the same centrifugal force as a larger dia. cage - agreed? AL From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:21:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive tool Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:37:02 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <19990723231821.03572.00000844@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932942713 nnrp-04:26795 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19757 In article <19990723231821.03572.00000844@ngol01.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >Does anybody use tools that are different from the traditional hive tool. >I know of one gent that uses a sharpened flexible jimmy. I want to develop >tools such as that for my own use. Anybody else have any suggestions. >Beekeepers I read are quite inventive. > >Al Old screwdrivers, paintscrapers. Use your head. -- From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:21:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to make beeswax Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:33:09 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <3s+o+DAJUam3Ewx+@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> <19990724113944.21499.00000928@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932942712 nnrp-04:26795 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19758 In article <19990724113944.21499.00000928@ngol04.aol.com>, Jajwuth writes >In a way I think you have answered your own question. >If the store equates honey with wax it makes no difference. They don't sell >honey. The decision has already made to harvest the wax. Who is the customer >suppose to feel sorry for, the bees. They have already lost their wax, Wax is a >manufacured product like any other product. The inputs are unimportant. When >beekepers sell honey in comb do they say for every lb of honey in the comb >another 1/3 lb is used by the bees to make the comb, Maybe the store should >send the damn sign to the church ask them to conserve wax. >Al You've lost me, Why the hell should the store be sorry because the wax was harvested? Bees make wax as part of there lifestyle. -- Tom From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:54:45 GMT References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19759 > how come bees of successive generations don't get >progressively smaller, as e sometimes you will find this, after a few years you get smaller bees, thats why it's good to put new foundation in every few years. I usually replace a frame or two every year Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:54:47 GMT References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19760 AL writes: >BTW, Ullie's Gold is a beekeeping video like Easy Rider is a motorcycle >maintenance video. The guy who sold it to me said it was a beekeeping video. I would have to agree. Beekeeping is always in the background. The personal traits of Ullie are attributable to him because he is a beekeeper. He seems to keep a level head with everthing buzzing around him. Apparently Fonda has an interest in bees which may have caused him to take the part. The character I think lacked energy and seems to mope around. This is unfair characterization of a commercial beekeeper. Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis solutions Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 22:57:13 GMT References: <7nf3e5$ps5$1@wanadoo.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725185713.10186.00001769@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19761 >which and how much alcohol you use to blend with propolis use high grade ethyl alcohol ( everclear is good ) just keep adding propolis till it wont hold anymore in solution, let it steep bout 6 months. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Jul 1999 23:08:57 GMT References: <7nc3at$osj$1@calais.pt.lu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725190857.10186.00001774@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19762 >subject "Terramycin": >1.Can you give me a short description and explain me what Terramycin is? >2.Where can I get it? >Thanks for your help. It will be great to reply us. > Tm is an antibiotic used in the treatment and prevention of foulbrood. It can be purchased from most every bee supply business. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to make beeswax Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:48:09 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <379BA239.38A2@midwest.net> References: <3s+o+DAJUam3Ewx+@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> <19990724113944.21499.00000928@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:06:04 GMT X-Trace: 932947564.793.91 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19763 Tom Speight wrote: > > >Maybe the store should > >send the damn sign to the church ask them to conserve wax. > >Al > You've lost me, > Why the hell should the store be sorry because the wax was harvested? > Bees make wax as part of there lifestyle. > -- > Tom Maybe jajwuth has discovered a way to extract the honey from his virtual TBH and return the comb undamaged to the hive? Otherwise he will be harvesting the wax every time he removes honey from his virtual TBH - to be referred to in the future as VTBH. AL From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:49:51 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 53 Message-ID: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:07:46 GMT X-Trace: 932947666.619.27 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19764 Jajwuth wrote: > > AL writes: > > >BTW, Ullie's Gold is a beekeeping video like Easy Rider is a motorcycle > >maintenance video. > The guy who sold it to me said it was a beekeeping video. I would have to > agree. Beekeeping is always in the background. A beekeeping video keeps beekeeping in the *foreground* and maybe runs a plot in the background to keep the non-beekeepers from leaving the room. Ullie's Gold wouldn't have been one iota less meaningful if the guy had been a broccoli farmer - nor would it have been one iota more dull... Ullie's Green as a title might have been a tougher sell. The personal traits of Ullie are > attributable to him because he is a beekeeper. The personal traits of Ullie has *nothing* to do with him being a beekeeper - Ullie is a very dull character, period. > Apparently Fonda has an interest in bees > which may have caused him to take the part. Fonda *is* a beekeeper on the side, and Fonda the writer/director, created the movie - he didn't take the part, he created it and not very well IMHO. If it wasn't for his old man, who really was a fine actor, and his loud mouthed sister, ole Pete would be eeking out his living in some other corner of existence - maybe raising broccoli. So viewers it looks like we have 1 thumb's up and 1 thumb's down. AL From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:56:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <379BA42E.CFE@midwest.net> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.54 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:14:26 GMT X-Trace: 932948066.850.82 JF3D7GB4M1C36D0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19765 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > > how come bees of successive generations don't get > >progressively smaller, as e > > sometimes you will find this, after a few years you get smaller bees, thats why > it's good to put new foundation in every few years. I usually replace a frame > or two every year > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Kevin, Somewhere in the pile of 'stuff' I've read, I remember someone theorizing that the resistence to mites seen in AHB may be due to smaller cell size of the AHB. Their claim was that smaller cell size that eventually develops in old brood comb might help reduce mite infestation in other honey bees. Have you encountered this line of thinking? AL From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to make beeswax Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:27:26 GMT References: <379BA239.38A2@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990725202726.03573.00001282@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19766 AL writes: >has discovered a way to extract the honey from his virtual >TBH I'm not sure what you are getting at by describing my hive as virtual. If you mean imaginary your very very wrong. My prototype hive is outside being weather tested. My investment in beekeeping will be a spit in the ocean compared to some. I hope to have fun, enjoy the products of the hive, and learn a little along the way. I have some time on my hands and I'm thinking of teaming up with a commercial guy. As for the other guy being lost is that my fault. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:49:47 GMT References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19767 AL writes: >A beekeeping video keeps beekeeping in the *foreground* and maybe runs a >plot in the background to keep the non-beekeepers from leaving the room. >Ullie's Gold wouldn't have been one iota less meaningful if the guy had >been a broccoli farmer - nor would it have been one iota more dull... >Ullie's Green as a title might have been a tougher sell. > > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you equating beekeeping to broccoli farming. Beekeeping has been referred to as "intellectual farming". There is also a philisophical side to beekeeping which shows through the character of Ullie. I doubt if Mr. Fonda would have accepted the part as a broccoli farmer. The critics have said that he has an interest in bees Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:59:23 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7ngbne$8no$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-71.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932950574 8952 209.130.165.71 (26 Jul 1999 00:56:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:56:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19768 I understand that Peter Fonda's FATHER was the one who kept bees at one time. Also, Peter recieved the Florida Beekeeper of the Year for that picture. I saw the movie. The story line was ok in the fact that he took alot of crap and tried to make the best of the situation...which parallels a beekeepers way of life. I think the movie was named Ulee's Gold for where ever he went he gave out jars of his honey...his "gold". Most of us can probably relate to that. He portrayed a "not-your-average" keeper and I wouldn't consider his style as commercial. He would have been long out of business if he were to rely solely on that worn out old pick-up to do the grunt of the work that is REALLY involved. But that's Hollywood. --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com>... >At the market I bought the video Ullie's Gold. The guy selling gave me a >discount since he said there wasn't much of a market for beekeeping videos. He >made the comment first and then asked me if I'm a beekeeper. >The character Fonda portayed lacks any "umph". A word I heard at a place I once >worked . Hopefully beekeepers can be portayed in a better light. I think they >are a unique type deserving a better portrayal. I liked the setting and his >honey house. > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:45:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> <379BA42E.CFE@midwest.net> To: lithar@midwest.net X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 26 Jul 1999 00:48:55 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Jul 25 17:55:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust153.tnt1.rdu1.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19769 Yep and there are folks experminting with natural size foundation and claim fewer mites. I have a hive on natural foundation and had only two mites, having not been treated with anything. They are wild bees from a house and are very gentle. Don in NC From jeff1020@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jeff1020@aol.com (Jeff 1020) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 01:53:59 GMT References: <379B8B5C.193A@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725215359.13150.00001555@ng-bj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19770 >The smaller dia. cage will require a higher rpm to develop the same >centrifugal force as a larger dia. cage - agreed? Agreed, The outside speed of the larger reel will be faster because of distance traveled will be greater per rpm Never willingly make an enemy because you never know when you need a friend From honeybs@radix.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:33:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7ngfe5$pqp$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p32.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19771 PC Boy wrote: >OK, here's a question for the bee experts here: >If a bee, after it pupates in its cell, does not remove the >pupal case, how come bees of successive generations don't get >progressively smaller, as each liner not removed must necessarily >decrease the available cell volume for the next occupant? They do. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 02:01:18 GMT References: <7ngbne$8no$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725220118.07383.00001452@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19772 Peter Fonda's character in Ullie's Gold is supposed to be one individual, not an architype of beekeepers everywhere! He plays the character as a withdrawn, damaged human being, who, through dramatic developments that play out during the movie and their resolution, heals his family and reconnects to the human race (i.e. gets the girl). I thought the movie was great PR for bees and beekeepers, since the great majority of the shit floating to the surface of the media portrays bees as dangerous, scary insects, or as diseased and pest ridden. It follows (for some people, it seems) that such suspect creatures ought to be banned by ordinance. And it also follows that if bees are suffering from a plague or sickness of mites, some might be dis-inclined to feed honey to their kids. (We know the mites don't affect the honey, but does the consumer really think about it that much? No. The consumer just remembers hearing some story about sick bees and moves on past the honey shelf.) Likewise, it was a worthy effort to make a movie that shows the hero dealing with evil without bloodshed and shooting. Seems like the kinda family values movie that a lot of people would like to see more of coming out of Hollywood! John From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 02:07:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725220757.07383.00001454@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19773 Where are you? And don't use pesticide if you want the help of a beekeeper. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.132.27.155!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:53:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7ngbne$8no$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990725220118.07383.00001452@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-95.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932957394 15398 209.130.165.95 (26 Jul 1999 02:49:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 02:49:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19774 JMitc1014 wrote in message <19990725220118.07383.00001452@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >Peter Fonda's character in Ullie's Gold is supposed to be one individual, not >an architype of beekeepers everywhere! >He plays the character as a withdrawn, damaged human being, who, through >dramatic developments that play out during the movie and their resolution, >heals his family and reconnects to the human race (i.e. gets the girl). >I thought the movie was great PR for bees and beekeepers, since the great >majority of the shit floating to the surface of the media portrays bees as >dangerous, scary insects, or as diseased and pest ridden. It follows (for some >people, it seems) that such suspect creatures ought to be banned by ordinance. (snip) >John I agree that Ulee's Gold was good PR for the bee industry! A good movie like Ulee's has a hard time reaching an audience unless it could be renamed "Killer Bees - the Ultimate Terror"! Our local theatres (30 mile radius) did not even show it! The closest showing was Minneapolis (60 miles). Needless to say we waited for it to come out in video and then even had to rent from a video store 30 miles away. I know that Ulee was not supposed to be a composite of all beekeepers but I felt (as I was watching) the public would stereo- type beekeepers as a "Ulee" as many people do not know a real life beekeeper. Kind of the same way most people who dwell in cities (and have never been to a rural area) to them Farmers are always portrayed wearing bibs, barefooted, chewing on a length of straw and one brick short of a load. --Busybee From Bop_Vito@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bopvito" Subject: Some Very Basic Questions Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: phila-ts1-182.p3.net/209.107.29.182 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 932957811196 Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:56:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.203 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 932957808 216.200.3.203 (Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:56:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:56:48 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19775 1-How many lbs of honey are in an average filled 9 1/8th" frame? 2-How many cells per side on an average 9 1/8th" frame? 3-(on average) How many eggs does an a queen lay per day? 4-In hot weather, evening time, bees congregating on the landing strip of the bottom board, pretty packed in. Normal? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From pollinator@aol.comnospam Mon Jul 26 10:21:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticide question...please help! Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:04:01 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725230401.10190.00001948@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19776 >bees foraging >in a nearby orchard (there are some) where spraying may be routine. > >The question I need to answer is whether the hives can be combined and >salvaged (a few still have queens), or whether to comb, pollen, honey >storesd are so contaminated that some or all need to be destroyed. > >I have just come from his yard, and bees are still dying. Perhaps more >importantly, yellowjackets that have invaded the weaker hives to rob the >stores are also lying dead about the entrances. Field bees are still coming >in with pollen baskets full. Upon inspection we saw that numbers are very >low, very little brood/eggs in the hives that still have queens, and (in my >opinion) a lot of drones for the number of bees total in each hive. > >Please, if any of you have an idea of how you'd proceed please share your Raid won't do that kind of damage. Most likely it's clover growing on the orchard floor, and being contaminated by insecticides. If the dying is still going on, it's likely Penncap M. Find out what material was used recently in the orchards. Check to see if clover is allowed to bloom. It is illegal to use Penncap M, or most insecticides, if bees are visiting in the treatment area. Once you know the pesticide used, get a copy of the label. It's up to you to make these guys obey the law, or we won't have any bees left. He needs to remove the clover, or at least mow the clover bloom before spraying. It's called orchard floor management in fruit grower parlance. You need to get your state pesticide enforcement people in....pronto! Tell them you suspect a label violation, give them all your data, and good luck. We got one violator fined $1500 here in SC, when he sprayed while bees were visiting in the treatment area. For more info, see our pollination web pages, or do a dejanews search of this newsgroups for some of our past posts on this subject. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Mon Jul 26 10:21:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Beekeeping equipment in Michigan Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:10:59 GMT References: <5ICm3.350$XM5.8739@ord-read.news.verio.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990725231059.10190.00001952@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19777 > Came across an ad for used beekeeping equipment last week- Finally got >hold of the gentleman yesterday. Purchased what I could afford, and I Bee SURE to check that comb for AFB scale. There are directions on the page below, in the section on buying used equipment. When I was just starting, I bought gobs of AFB, and had several years of cleanup to regret. Didn't know what I was doing..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From Bop_Vito@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bopvito" Subject: Bees not drawing out new comb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: phila-ts1-182.p3.net/209.107.29.182 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 932958845755 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <_nQm3.5939$J5.67386@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:14:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 932958842 216.200.3.205 (Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:14:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:14:02 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19778 Three deep supers on the hive and one shallow (for comb honey) on top. Lots of bees (requeened in the spring after not much brood in evidence), plenty of brood in the bottom super, plenty of new honey going into old comb in the top deep super. I replaced 3 frames in the bottom super (wax moth damage. moths all gone) new foundation. All the frames in the middle deep super are fresh foundation.(undrawn) In the shallow super on top, there are 4 frames with new foundation. 1/2 the frames with new foundation went in a the end of june, 1/2 went in two weeks ago. Except for a tiny bit of work on one of the frames in the middle super, they don't seem to be drawing out comb on any of the new foundation. also, it's been very very dry. (no rain for a month). I have water out in a birdbath and a pie tin. Should I be worried? Should I do anything? Is this normal? This is only my second year with a hive so I'm not sure what is and isn't normal. Any comments, answers, suggestions would be appreciated. -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:19:41 GMT References: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990725231941.03574.00001222@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19779 I had a thought that the following would be quite acceptable as being cast as Ullie: Jon Voight, Gene Hackman, Mickey Rourke. Although before any of them took the part they would have to have an appreciation for bees and beekeeping like Peter Fonda. All can play the heavy and can invoke empathy . Al From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-189.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some Very Basic Questions Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:16:40 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.bd X-Server-Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:22:55 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19780 In article , "Bopvito" wrote: > > 4-In hot weather, evening time, bees congregating on the landing strip > of the bottom board, pretty packed in. Normal? > -- Mine are doing it. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7ngklr$4ds$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <_nQm3.5939$J5.67386@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-95.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 932959739 4540 209.130.165.95 (26 Jul 1999 03:28:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 03:28:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19781 Hello Bopvito-- Bees need to forage nectar to produce wax...if there is no moisture for flowers to produce nectar I think you will have to accept the fact that your combs will remain undrawn this year. Could I also suggest that you may have your hives oversupered... Thinking of all who are in drought conditions...hope things improve soon! --Busybee Bopvito wrote in message <_nQm3.5939$J5.67386@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>... >Three deep supers on the hive and one shallow (for comb honey) on top. >Lots of bees (requeened in the spring after not much brood in >evidence), plenty of brood in the bottom super, plenty of new honey >going into old comb in the top deep super. > >I replaced 3 frames in the bottom super (wax moth damage. moths all >gone) new foundation. All the frames in the middle deep super are fresh >foundation.(undrawn) > >In the shallow super on top, there are 4 frames with new foundation. > >1/2 the frames with new foundation went in a the end of june, 1/2 went >in two weeks ago. > >Except for a tiny bit of work on one of the frames in the middle super, >they don't seem to be drawing out comb on any of the new foundation. > >also, it's been very very dry. (no rain for a month). I have water out >in a birdbath and a pie tin. > >Should I be worried? Should I do anything? Is this normal? > >This is only my second year with a hive so I'm not sure what is and >isn't normal. > >Any comments, answers, suggestions would be appreciated. >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From tenmoku@webtv.net Mon Jul 26 10:21:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3991-379BEC2C-23@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <_nQm3.5939$J5.67386@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAkXx7VGl+IBT8hg9x9zwGbfGd1nsCFQCNcZas3lGTXdgAMOg/3CinCvuuEw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19782 If there is little nectar flow, you could try giving them some sugar syrup and see if they take that to build comb and winter stores. Keep refilling until they stop feeding. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Mon Jul 26 10:21:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:00:41 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.131.166 X-Trace: 932987459 1NNUCNF1G83A6C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19783 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > >Best advice is: > >Do it at the right time: > >good flow; >no robbing; >bees not preparing to swarm. OH DEAR Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then Crop of honey is due for harvest Should I introduce before or after clearing crop Any further advice welcome NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage thanks Chris 2W 51N From hamilton@pbssite.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.usenetserver.com!news1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sprinklers and bee hives Message-ID: <379c4f29.852619218@news.usenetserver.com> References: <000c01bed474$ef8c5980$02000003@allend> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:05:58 EDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:06:31 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19784 Every hive is exposed so all the bees stay home to protect their own instead of being out robbing On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:31:16 -0600, HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >In article <000c01bed474$ef8c5980$02000003@allend>, "Allen Dick" > wrote: > > >> The best trick I know to stop a robbing frenzy -- if it is all within >> the yard and not from a neighbour's bees -- is to simply remove every >> hive lid in the yard. > >Any idea how/why this works? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From hhf34@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:21:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Beekeeping equipment in Michigan Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 08:03:25 GMT References: <19990725231059.10190.00001952@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726040325.15879.00002593@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19785 I would second what Greg said!!!! Make sure to check for AFB!!! We are one of the approved locations to take care of it once it is in a hive within the state. AFB is not an enjoyable thing to clean up after, however I would rather take care of the problem now before it even has a chance of spreading! It is easy to detect unless you have the sense of scent and sight removed. The stench is similar to that of a decaying carcass and has a very distinct look. TTYL! Monica >> Came across an ad for used beekeeping equipment last week- Finally got >>hold of the gentleman yesterday. Purchased what I could afford, and I > > Bee SURE to check that comb for AFB scale. There are directions on the >page >below, in the section on buying used equipment. > > When I was just starting, I bought gobs of AFB, and had several years of >cleanup to regret. Didn't know what I was doing..... > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From hhf34@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:22:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Beekeeping equipment in Michigan Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 08:04:12 GMT References: <19990725231059.10190.00001952@ng-ff1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726040412.15879.00002594@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19786 Sorry...meant to say Dave...not Greg... (can't tell I have been cleaning up a flood in the basement for a few hours LOL) ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From hhf34@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:22:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 08:10:29 GMT References: <379B8959.619C@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726041029.15879.00002595@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19787 One problem with that idea... my uncle is a politician, and my mother sure sounds like the church lady... oh well...it was worth a good laugh! ;o) TTYL! Moncia >Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >> >> My family has had a rule for generations for how to have harmonious >> holiday dinners: never discuss politics nor religion. > > > >Sounds like a good policy for this group. > >AL ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From hhf34@aol.com Mon Jul 26 10:22:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 08:19:51 GMT References: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726041951.15879.00002596@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19788 LOL...and chocolate milk comes from brown cows... Eggs come from the store... >I know that Ulee was not supposed to be a composite of all beekeepers but I >felt (as I was watching) the public would stereo- type beekeepers as a >"Ulee" as many people do not know a real life beekeeper. Kind of the same >way most people who dwell in cities (and have never been to a rural area) to >them Farmers are always portrayed wearing bibs, barefooted, chewing on a >length of straw and one brick short of a load. > >--Busybee > > If you think about it, we have stereotypes for everyone and every career... It makes it easier for us to sort between professions. TTYL! Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From h.tait@home.com Mon Jul 26 10:22:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_nQm3.5939$J5.67386@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:22:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 932977372 24.65.132.209 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:22:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:22:52 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19789 For what it is worth, I have been trying to get the bees to draw pierco frames out and had poor succes until the past two weeks. Most are drawing like gangbusters now. Some however refuse, they just look at it . I would suggest feeding sugar syrup, as much as possible, they need it to produce wax and draw comb. Be paitient, and if you wish them to draw it out this year keep feeding sugar syrup. Sometimes they take a fair bit before starting to draw. If given a choice I prefer to draw comb while the flow is poor, so they can bring in honey when the flow is on. To do this you have to feed. The point made in regard to oversupering is a good one. I have the best results when they are crowded and have only one option draw out the comb or run out of room. Like everything you have to keep an eye for balence. For what it is worth, this week is the first consecutive three days of sun we have seen since the start of spring. Noticed some bees are developing fins in place of wings.;) Keep the shiney side up hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries > 1/2 the frames with new foundation went in a the end of june, 1/2 went > in two weeks ago. > > Except for a tiny bit of work on one of the frames in the middle super, > they don't seem to be drawing out comb on any of the new foundation. > > > Should I be worried? Should I do anything? Is this normal? > > This is only my second year with a hive so I'm not sure what is and > isn't normal. > > Any comments, answers, suggestions would be appreciated. > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jul 27 17:40:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 13:44:33 GMT References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726094433.10609.00001356@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19790 We beekeepers got good press from the movie regardless of the fact that Fonda acts like he cornered the valium market. Killer bee movies don't sell honey. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From h.tait@home.com Tue Jul 27 17:40:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> <19990714214715.06182.00000217@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:48:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 932978899 24.65.132.209 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:48:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:48:19 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19791 Al With all due respect, I love your posts, and look forward to them. That being said man you gotta get your hive going. I reccomend you just dive in as soon as your climate allows you to. You will never be able to read and test everything before you start your hive. I think IHMO you should relax jump in with both feet, and ask all your questions while you are working it. I know you will get all the help you request, and you will gain understanding much quicker. I love books and seek as much knowledge as I can find, and I can see you have done a lot of homework, but your knowledge and enjoyment will be much fuller and complete when you actually jump in. Anyways, just a suggestion, and no disrespect or sarcasm intended. lets get at "er Best Regards hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Canada Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990714214715.06182.00000217@ngol08.aol.com... > John Caldeira writes: > > >The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > >centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > >attached to moveable top bars. > > > >The important invention in the last century that you may be referring > >to is the practical moveable frame hive. > > > Your right > According to my book Langsroth discovered the significance of bee space in the > interior of the hive. He found that bees require passage ways 3/8 inch to 1/2 > inch wide. He went on to design the moveable frame hive. > > One thing puzzles me is that if you use a starter strip in a frame of LH they > fill the whole frame. In a top bar hive we want them to make a crescent shape > comb. Would the wider width of the top bar hive encourage them to make a > crescent shape comb and not attach the comb to the side.. > > Al. > From jesse.hunter@bms.com Tue Jul 27 17:40:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:53 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 40 Message-ID: <379C73B1.ECA2DB74@bms.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19792 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford talked about Freud's product (product?) > > >and then --Busybee stood fast for Jesus > > >and then Jesse Hunter, a fanatic, gave his opinion, > > Thank you for the complement... I strive to be recognized as being > steadfast in my many convictions, (God, Family, Bees) > > The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America > says as much. It is from such fragile documents we are a great nation; > not because of Jesus who comes and goes, or the government, good or bad. Since when has Jesus came and gone. Last time I checked, his message is the same as it was 2000 years ago. What else, or who else can make that claim. "One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all." A pretty strong allegiance to build a nation on? > > > Who has beliefs among us so insecure they cannot be presented with a > different view? America now suffers under the addiction of greed. > Everyone likes to tell you what Jesus said but no one wants to live like > Jesus lived. The consequence of this addiction will be reaping the > whirlwind. Christianity in and of itself the desire to live as Jesus did. What do you mean that no one wants to live like that? I absolutely respect your view. I do not believe that God judges us so much by what or who we believe in, as he judges our perseverance and dedication to hold to our beliefs whatever they may be. "Judge not lest you be judged" Matthew 7:1 From stoneacres@netscape.net Tue Jul 27 17:40:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clean Beeswax wanted Lines: 73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <%1%m3.1584$Hs3.99011@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:21:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 933002491 204.186.180.24 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:21:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:21:31 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19793 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for clean beeswax, lighter color preferred, it does not have to = be strained and can be straight out of your melter. 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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40-- From stoneacres@netscape.net Tue Jul 27 17:40:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Some Very Basic Questions Lines: 82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:31:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 933003097 204.186.180.24 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:31:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:31:37 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19794 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bopvito wrote in message ... >1-How many lbs of honey are in an average filled 9 1/8th" frame? 7 to 9 lbs >2-How many cells per side on an average 9 1/8th" frame? 3000 to 3500 >3-(on average) How many eggs does an a queen lay per day? 900 to 1200 but can lay up to 2000 >4-In hot weather, evening time, bees congregating on the landing strip = of the bottom board, pretty packed in. Normal? 9 times out of 10 it is just the high temp. and humidity. The bees are = clearing the hive to help in the cooling process. Somtimes the bees are overcrowed and need another super. >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Bopvito wrote in=20 message = ...
>1-How many lbs of honey are in an average filled 9 1/8th"=20 frame?
7 to 9 lbs
 
>2-How many cells per side on an average 9 1/8th" = frame?
3000 to 3500

>3-(on average) How many eggs does an a = queen lay=20 per day?
 
900 to 1200 but can lay up to 2000

>4-In hot weather, evening time, bees = congregating=20 on the landing strip of the bottom board, pretty packed in. = Normal?
 
9 times out of 10 it is just the high temp. and humidity. = The bees=20 are clearing the hive to help in the cooling process.
Somtimes the bees are overcrowed and need = another=20 super.

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0-- From atlloyd@tcd.ie Tue Jul 27 17:40:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!HEAnet!web3.tcd.ie!gen035.gen.tcd.ie!user From: atlloyd@tcd.ie (Andrew T. Lloyd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange sound from the bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:26:58 +0000 Organization: INCBI, TCD, D2, Ireland. Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gen035.gen.tcd.ie Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19795 Hi, We've had bees in the window frame for a couple of years now (we had to remove 7 nests from the roof before moving in and 2 months after the builders finished - zzzzzzzing - we had bees back again). They are filling 2 triangular columns between two stone walls and a hypoteneuse of plasterboard round one of the bedroom windows. They stop us opening that window but have provided a rather restful 'white-noise' humming of innumerable bees day and night. Recently there has been a toot toot toot or a bzzz bzzz bzzz bzzz on a frequency of 2-3 toots (like a distant gazoo) a second which is infrequent enough and audible enough to become annoying. Can anyone guess what is making the noise for us ? Its almost like a bee was getting caught in a spider's web and buzzing to escape except that the beat is so regular. Thanks, its a mystery to me. Andrew -- Andrew T. Lloyd Irish National Centre for BioInformatics INCBI atlloyd@tcd.ie EMBnet Ireland http://acer.gen.tcd.ie From melken@co.tds.net Tue Jul 27 17:40:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Gregory D. Mellott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990721185837.24418.00000570@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:45:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.49.215.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 932982304 207.49.215.133 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:45:04 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:45:04 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19796 May save some soul from Africanized bees, I suspect. That about the sting I'm getting. Sincerely, Gregory D. Mellott From edhale@tcon.net Tue Jul 27 17:40:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Thomas E. Hale II" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally....Sidetracked Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:04:12 -0500 Lines: 8 Organization: Hanger Bolt & Stud Co. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Message-ID: <379cc076@news.oaktree.net> X-Trace: 26 Jul 1999 13:09:26 -0500, tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.134.79.15!news.oaktree.net!tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19797 I enjoy a good theological debate as much as the next guy, but haven't we gotten a little sidetracked from the original question? All things in there proper place. Let's get back to bees, shall we? Ed in Indy. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:40:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clean Beeswax wanted Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 18:30:16 GMT References: <%1%m3.1584$Hs3.99011@nnrp2.ptd.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726143016.07066.00002200@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19798 >Looking for clean beeswax, lighter color preferred, it does not have to ok so what are you paying ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Tue Jul 27 17:40:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nutritional Composition of Pollen Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:43:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7nia8t$q7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 26 18:43:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19799 Anybody got a breakdown or a link to a breakdown? Of course, it will vary by pollen type, and I'd be especially interested in an analysis of blackberry pollen, but an "average" would be OK too. USDA doesn't seem to have one on hand. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. magazine. http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jul 27 17:40:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 18:52:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19800 What you are hearing is called "Piping" It is a sound that queens make. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 17:40:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:44:58 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nidjb$ric$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-22.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 933018027 28236 194.158.120.22 (26 Jul 1999 19:40:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 19:40:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19801 "The smaller the diameter, the slower speed required. " -- Strange ! apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ kent stienburg a écrit dans le message : 3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net... > Hi Joel, . The smaller > the diameter, the slower speed required> > Kent From raven@gwu.edu Tue Jul 27 17:40:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!grover.nit.gwu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <379CDD7C.6AC0F2D3@gwu.edu> From: diana cascioli Reply-To: raven@gwu.edu Organization: gw graphic design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:13:21 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.164.90.142 X-Complaints-To: news@nit.gwu.edu X-Trace: grover.nit.gwu.edu 933026599 128.164.90.142 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:03:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:03:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19802 Michel Crichton wrote: > > Ok folks, it's probably been asked before here but I must have missed it the > first few times around. > > Does anyone have a good stove top (no equipment needed) recipe for making > mead? Check out http://hbd.org/brewery/cm3/recs/10_toc.html There should be at least a few that don't require any kind of complicated equipment. > Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this stuff? > I don't want to go blind or anything like that. Hmmm. I don't know about mead, but don't make mugwort ale. A friend of mine attempted it and ended up with this horrid batch of brown liquid that tasted like bad soy sauce. :D -- raven- is diana cascioli | Hail to the speaker, GW Graphic Design | Hail to the knower, bmeworld.com/raven2 | Joy to him who has understood, gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Delight to those who have listened. -Havamal From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:40:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:16:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7nipgl$qa1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> <379BA42E.CFE@midwest.net> <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030229 26945 62.136.88.41 (26 Jul 1999 23:03:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:03:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19803 I visited the Lusbys of Tucson, Arizona last Christmas, and they are advocates of returning to a smaller cell size; they believe the move to larger cell size over the years has led to over-stressed colonies more susceptible to viral attack etc. I found their commitment impressive, they still have bees despite varroa, tracheal mites and africanisation using no chemicals but having reduced the cell size through making new foundation in their own mill and re-framing all colonies - a huge amount of work. Their perseverance deserves success and I am following their progress this year with interest. Ian the Welsh beekeeper! workerbee wrote in message <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net>... >Yep and there are folks experminting with natural size foundation and >claim fewer mites. I have a hive on natural foundation and had only two >mites, having not been treated with anything. They are wild bees from a >house and are very gentle. > >Don in NC > From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:40:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:21:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nippa$qft$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030506 27133 62.136.88.41 (26 Jul 1999 23:08:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:08:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19804 And a real privilege to hear - many beekeepers have never heard this! Ian BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com>... >What you are hearing is called "Piping" It is a sound that queens make. > > >Tom > > > >There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:40:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:38:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7niq0u$qkk$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> <3799F936.EB2CDA97@worldnet.att.net> <379B8959.619C@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030750 27284 62.136.23.95 (26 Jul 1999 23:12:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:12:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19805 AL wrote in message <379B8959.619C@midwest.net>... >Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >> >> never discuss politics nor religion. > >Sounds like a good policy for this group. > >AL ------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll second that. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:27:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933031987 28236 62.136.43.10 (26 Jul 1999 23:33:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:33:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19806 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com>... > >OH DEAR >Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard >Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then >Crop of honey is due for harvest >Should I introduce before or after clearing crop >Any further advice welcome > >NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage >thanks >Chris 2W 51N > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agree on the curlers. If flow still on the do it now. If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be better, and protect against robbing. Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month for requeening as the excitement will have died down. From barry@birkey.com Tue Jul 27 17:40:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:57:28 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Message-ID: <933037231.007.13@news.remarQ.com> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.148.145.110 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:00:31 GMT X-Trace: 933037231.007.13 WULKD1.YI916ECC94C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19807 ---------- In article <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, PC Boy wrote: > If a bee, after it pupates in its cell, does not remove the > pupal case, how come bees of successive generations don't get > progressively smaller, as each liner not removed must necessarily > decrease the available cell volume for the next occupant? I think it's known that bees can and do get smaller as the cell closes in. Whether or not this is of any concern is another matter. This has been discussed at length on Bee-L over the years. Here are a few quotes from posts. On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > I found out > years ago and Erik Erickson and others found that European bees vary more > in size than generally acknowledged. Erickson found that the foundation > supplied by various distributors of bee equipment has different cell > sizes. I found that bees vary so much that some colonies can squeeze > through a hole 1/16 of an inch smaller than others. Allen Dick wrote: > We thrashed this one fairly thouroughly to death some time back. The > outcome? > > Apparently most commercial beekeepers don't worry about the age of > brood combs much > > Older combs may be necessary in some regions for successful > wintering > > Bees vary in size more due to nutrition than cell size in many cases. > > Bigger bees are not necessarily better. > > Manufacturers have tended to vary in the size and number of cells per > sheet. The size most commonly made has been arrived at over the > years by consensus. > > Bees in nature vary the size of their cells on a given comb, but tend > to stick close to a size which is characteristic of the strain. > > Small cells may possibly inhibit varroa infestation, since it is > suggested that the gap between the larva and the cell is a factor. From chowell@netnitco.net Tue Jul 27 17:40:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Deformed wings Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:20:19 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-80.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 933042465 14067 216.176.151.80 (27 Jul 1999 02:27:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 02:27:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19808 This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in front of this one hive. I was curious as if they'd fly so I picked up a few and tossed them into the air, to no avail. This purticular hive has been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. The other oddity is that the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had alot of bees hanging out on the entrance. It's as if they're about to swarm. This is a split with a new queen this year. No signs of mites either. Chad From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 17:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DEFORMED WINGS Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:37:57 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7njfko$ffd$2@front1.grolier.fr> References: <3798DF8C.FF070750@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052888 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19809 Bonjour, Do not forget that deformed wings is a sign of hives severely invaded by varroas. Treating at once is the only way. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ peter dillon a écrit dans le message : 3798DF8C.FF070750@club-internet.fr... Hello to all, Regarding the problem of bees with deformed wings: Last year I noticed the same problem in about 20% of my apiaries, starting at the end of june. The hives were apparently stable regarding their population, but produced very little harvest. The population collapse came at the end of August- the hives having the appearance of having just swarmed, i.e. half empty. They were treated with apistan, but it was too late to recover and by the spring I had lost just under 100 colonies. V.j. creeps up until it is too late, hence the need to constantly check V.j.population levels in hives, as there is the constant possibility the a treatment has not been successful, for what ever reason. The moral of the story is- don't presume things are all right, as you will find out it's not- when it is too late, and then you have a lot of dead hives in the back yard. From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 17:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:46:57 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> References: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052888 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19810 Bonjour, Here in France, we use to say that chalkbrood is severely promoted by using antibiotics. It is rather easy to understand why, when you consider that chalkbrood is the result of mycoses or fungi invasion. We do not know any efficient chemical treatment. The disease is due to humidity, poor ventilation, frequent liquid feeding, antibiotics. A friend of mine told me that he successfully cured chalkbrood with the following trick : just pour a handful of kitchen salt (big crystals) on the top of frames once a week two or three times. Try it, no danger of chemical and I think it is working by drying the climate inside the hive. Often chalkbrood disappears by itself with sun and nice weather. Another good advice is to requeen when possible. Good luck... apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Gilles Rassel a écrit dans le message : 7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu... > Hello, > I have seveal questions about Chalkbrood: From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 17:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:57:58 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7njfkp$ffd$4@front1.grolier.fr> References: Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052889 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19811 Bonjour, That sounds to me as it was the famous "Song of Queens". -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Andrew T. Lloyd a écrit dans le message : atlloyd-2607991726580001@gen035.gen.tcd.ie... > Hi, > . Recently there has been > a toot toot toot or a bzzz bzzz bzzz bzzz on a frequency > of 2-3 toots (like a distant gazoo) a second which is > infrequent enough and audible enough to become annoying. > > Can anyone guess what is making the noise for us ? Its > almost like a bee was getting caught in a spider's web and > buzzing to escape except that the beat is so regular. > > Thanks, its a mystery to me. > > Andrew > -- > Andrew T. Lloyd Irish National Centre for BioInformatics INCBI > atlloyd@tcd.ie EMBnet Ireland http://acer.gen.tcd.ie > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:53:16 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.222.180 X-Trace: 933065803 1NNUCNF1GDEB4C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19812 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com>... >> >>OH DEAR >>Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard >>Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then >>Crop of honey is due for harvest >>Should I introduce before or after clearing crop >>Any further advice welcome >> >>NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage >>thanks >>Chris 2W 51N >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Agree on the curlers. > >If flow still on the do it now. > >If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I >would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very >young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once >gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your >nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be >better, and protect against robbing. > >Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month >for requeening as the excitement will have died down. Thanks Peter Queens arrived today I will hotfoot it to the bees and see if the flow is still on Blackberry looks as though it is running later around here So I might be able to introduce directly Chris 2W 51N From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:27:35 GMT References: <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727092735.03796.00002071@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19813 > Often chalkbrood disappears by itself with sun and >nice weather. Another good advice is to requeen when possible. >Good luck... chalk brood is one of those maladies that signals other problems. A good healthy hive is the ticket. good ventilation, good house keeping etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!philabs!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: two to two hundred Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:30:07 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19814 Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to thirty to two hundred hives. What is the optimal number of hives that does not overwhelm you but still gives you the feeling of a commercial player (small scale). thanks Al From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:57:02 GMT References: <37913F1E.6D202F@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727095702.21500.00001644@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19815 Bill Greenrose writes: >there was a very >strong musk-like smell that permeated the house a few minutes later that >dissipated after about a half an hour or so. don't know if bears musk or not Probably was a reappearance of you black bear, bears do stink. I'd stay out of it's way if it bites the bacon. They get mighty pissed. Al From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-224.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:04:32 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.e0 X-Server-Date: 27 Jul 1999 15:06:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19816 In article <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: Something about > the vicarious beekeeper What's that? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jul 27 17:41:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:06:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net> References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:52:31 GMT X-Trace: 933087151.626.68 JF3D7GB4M04AED1F8C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19817 Jajwuth wrote: > > Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to thirty to > two hundred hives. What is the optimal number of hives that does not overwhelm > you but still gives you the feeling of a commercial player (small scale). > > thanks > Al I would think the vicarious beekeeper could shoot past 200 hives without breaking a sweat. AL From michel_crichton@mitel.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brood comb honey Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <5Bkn3.1172$x7.23521432@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:52:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:52:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19818 I realize that this has been discussed quite a bit lately but I have another question regarding this topic. I extracted and bottled last weekend, very late Sunday night actually. Much of the honey extracted was from brood frames that were clean. The honey as discussed here is much darker than usual and has a slightly different taste. This may be my imagination but I detect a slight molasses taste. Is this in line with what other people have experienced? All the frames were completely capped. Is it possible then that the honey may have been fermenting in the capped frames before I extracted? I ask this because the taste of molasses mixed with the sugar give the impression of a mild beer taste. This "beer" taste could of course simply be my imagination but the dark honey definitely has a stronger taste. I describe it as "gamy" now. Any thoughts? From cde049@airmail.net Tue Jul 27 17:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:30:28 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7nkk82$p9s@library2.airnews.net> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 27 10:46:10 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bFJ>1k-XPV1.H$ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19819 > The character I think lacked > energy and seems to mope around. With all the problems in his life it is amazing he gets up every morning (on the days he does get to go to bed) much less dosnen't have a spring in his step. I'm not a comercial bee keeper but have had family problems almost as bad and couldn't function as well as he did. >This is unfair characterization of a > commercial beekeeper. Any characterizatio of a beekeeper (except as a "Bug nut") is better than none! Admire his strength of charactor and steadyness not hil lack of energy. From beetools@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 16:10:37 GMT References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727121037.09934.00002761@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19820 One of the "curses" of beekeeping is that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the number of hives you have, and when you get to two hives, you are too dumb to know not to keep going! The process is to build lots of boxes and frames! The method most commercial and sideline beekeepers do is to split hives early in the year (in the Northwest, this is done when the hives are in California in tha almonds), and split heavely again in June. The early Spirng splits are usually to amek up for witner losses. Our honey flow is over about the 4th of July. Brood and house bees in June are not going to make any honey crop, so we can usually make two splits off of a double deep hive in late June. This coupled with queens being readily available and the best mated (and least expensive) at the end of June This make June the ideal time for us to increase. Splits are three frames of brrod and bees, a frame of honey, and a new queen in a five frame nuc box. Most beekeepers run one nuc for each two hives the operate. The nucs will be feed up and treated and put in single deeps in September for wintering. The total nubmer you can run as a sideline will vary with the type of operation you are running. If it's primailry a pollination business, the number will be lower than if you are running a honey production business. There is a big danger point for sideliners. Here in the Northwest, it's about 400 colonies - you have too few to make a living, and too many to manage by yourself. The only good that comes of this is that after you have run youself ragged and out of money, you sell out to someone like me and I sell off all the use stuf to new beekeepers, the starting the cycle over again. Around her 200 colonies can be run for pollination and honey and you can still hold down a real job (it is a LOT of work however). The next step is to jump to 700 and go fulltime commercial. It takes the same amount of support equipment as 200 and you can still manage the operation by youself. The next jump is to about 1400 and a fulltime employee. Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From cde049@airmail.net Tue Jul 27 17:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uncapped honey Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:39:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37B28EF32AEEE6E0.647B6631A22BC03F.4058493073B84A6D@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7nkkoe$tq@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 27 10:54:55 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X$"Z1k-W+_t\p: (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19821 I have two medium supers on one hive,one is capped and ready for extraction, and one is filled but not capped. The flow is over. Can I feed to get them to cap the remaining super, so I can pull this before the broomweed honey flow starts? From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:39:49 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933097231 nnrp-13:20493 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19822 In article <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net>, Chad Howell writes >This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 >drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in >front of this one hive. I was curious as if they'd fly so I picked up a >few and tossed them into the air, to no avail. This purticular hive has >been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. The other oddity is that >the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had >alot of bees hanging out on the entrance. It's as if they're about to >swarm. This is a split with a new queen this year. No signs of mites >either. It would seem as if the bees are throwing the drones out for the winter. They drag them by the wings, and tear bits out in the process. -- Tom From nono@nono.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.69 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933099744 216.98.69.69 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:22:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:22:24 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:22:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19823 You can buy a nice set of plan from Brushy Mtn.Bee Supply for $1.25. I've built this solar melter and it works great. 1-800-233-7929 John In article <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com>, rhfjr81@aol.com says... > >I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 >pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from >the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > > Richard Flanagan From amontgomery@visi.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> From: Alan Montgomery Reply-To: amontgomery@visi.com Organization: Al's Bees X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.170.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 933100750 209.98.170.213 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:10 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19824 I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. Alan. I could send a picture of the suspected comb? From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 18:51:53 GMT References: <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727145153.22913.00001234@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19825 In article <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net>, "dewitt" writes: >Any characterizatio of a beekeeper (except as a "Bug nut") is better than >none! Yuu cain't beat Billy J T. Unh Hunhh- to pay Ullie unh hunhh Think twice . unh hunhh Al From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Tue Jul 27 17:41:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb on queen excluder Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:59:51 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <933102269.622.6@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:04:29 GMT X-Trace: 933102269.622.6 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19826 Is it normal for the bees to build much comb beneath and in between the wires of a metal queen excluder? I just put one in about 2 week ago and, at recent check, was about 50% covered with burr honeycomb (I scraped all the wax out). From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Tue Jul 27 17:41:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933106538 000 192.168.254.73 (27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19827 does anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that bumbles dont sting...opps! From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jul 27 21:06:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 13:44:33 GMT References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726094433.10609.00001356@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19790 We beekeepers got good press from the movie regardless of the fact that Fonda acts like he cornered the valium market. Killer bee movies don't sell honey. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From h.tait@home.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> <19990714214715.06182.00000217@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:48:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 932978899 24.65.132.209 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:48:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:48:19 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19791 Al With all due respect, I love your posts, and look forward to them. That being said man you gotta get your hive going. I reccomend you just dive in as soon as your climate allows you to. You will never be able to read and test everything before you start your hive. I think IHMO you should relax jump in with both feet, and ask all your questions while you are working it. I know you will get all the help you request, and you will gain understanding much quicker. I love books and seek as much knowledge as I can find, and I can see you have done a lot of homework, but your knowledge and enjoyment will be much fuller and complete when you actually jump in. Anyways, just a suggestion, and no disrespect or sarcasm intended. lets get at "er Best Regards hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Canada Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990714214715.06182.00000217@ngol08.aol.com... > John Caldeira writes: > > >The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > >centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > >attached to moveable top bars. > > > >The important invention in the last century that you may be referring > >to is the practical moveable frame hive. > > > Your right > According to my book Langsroth discovered the significance of bee space in the > interior of the hive. He found that bees require passage ways 3/8 inch to 1/2 > inch wide. He went on to design the moveable frame hive. > > One thing puzzles me is that if you use a starter strip in a frame of LH they > fill the whole frame. In a top bar hive we want them to make a crescent shape > comb. Would the wider width of the top bar hive encourage them to make a > crescent shape comb and not attach the comb to the side.. > > Al. > From jesse.hunter@bms.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:53 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 40 Message-ID: <379C73B1.ECA2DB74@bms.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19792 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford talked about Freud's product (product?) > > >and then --Busybee stood fast for Jesus > > >and then Jesse Hunter, a fanatic, gave his opinion, > > Thank you for the complement... I strive to be recognized as being > steadfast in my many convictions, (God, Family, Bees) > > The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America > says as much. It is from such fragile documents we are a great nation; > not because of Jesus who comes and goes, or the government, good or bad. Since when has Jesus came and gone. Last time I checked, his message is the same as it was 2000 years ago. What else, or who else can make that claim. "One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all." A pretty strong allegiance to build a nation on? > > > Who has beliefs among us so insecure they cannot be presented with a > different view? America now suffers under the addiction of greed. > Everyone likes to tell you what Jesus said but no one wants to live like > Jesus lived. The consequence of this addiction will be reaping the > whirlwind. Christianity in and of itself the desire to live as Jesus did. What do you mean that no one wants to live like that? I absolutely respect your view. I do not believe that God judges us so much by what or who we believe in, as he judges our perseverance and dedication to hold to our beliefs whatever they may be. "Judge not lest you be judged" Matthew 7:1 From stoneacres@netscape.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!nyd.news.ans.net!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clean Beeswax wanted Lines: 73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <%1%m3.1584$Hs3.99011@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:21:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 933002491 204.186.180.24 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:21:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:21:31 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19793 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for clean beeswax, lighter color preferred, it does not have to = be strained and can be straight out of your melter. If you have some we = can do three things: 1.. You can ship it to us. 2.. You can bring it to our operation. 3.. We can pick it up, if you are within our delivery area of the = Eastern United States and have a quantity that would make it worth our = while. If you have some give us a call. Thank You! Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. Millerton, PA 16936 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draeprbee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looking for clean beeswax, lighter color preferred, it does not = have to be=20 strained and can be straight out of your melter. If you have some we can = do=20 three things:
  1. You can ship it to us.
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED758.9478EF40-- From stoneacres@netscape.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Some Very Basic Questions Lines: 82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:31:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp2.ptd.net 933003097 204.186.180.24 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:31:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:31:37 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19794 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bopvito wrote in message ... >1-How many lbs of honey are in an average filled 9 1/8th" frame? 7 to 9 lbs >2-How many cells per side on an average 9 1/8th" frame? 3000 to 3500 >3-(on average) How many eggs does an a queen lay per day? 900 to 1200 but can lay up to 2000 >4-In hot weather, evening time, bees congregating on the landing strip = of the bottom board, pretty packed in. Normal? 9 times out of 10 it is just the high temp. and humidity. The bees are = clearing the hive to help in the cooling process. Somtimes the bees are overcrowed and need another super. >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Bopvito wrote in=20 message = ...
>1-How many lbs of honey are in an average filled 9 1/8th"=20 frame?
7 to 9 lbs
 
>2-How many cells per side on an average 9 1/8th" = frame?
3000 to 3500

>3-(on average) How many eggs does an a = queen lay=20 per day?
 
900 to 1200 but can lay up to 2000

>4-In hot weather, evening time, bees = congregating=20 on the landing strip of the bottom board, pretty packed in. = Normal?
 
9 times out of 10 it is just the high temp. and humidity. = The bees=20 are clearing the hive to help in the cooling process.
Somtimes the bees are overcrowed and need = another=20 super.

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED759.FD5945E0-- From atlloyd@tcd.ie Tue Jul 27 21:06:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!HEAnet!web3.tcd.ie!gen035.gen.tcd.ie!user From: atlloyd@tcd.ie (Andrew T. Lloyd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange sound from the bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:26:58 +0000 Organization: INCBI, TCD, D2, Ireland. Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gen035.gen.tcd.ie Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19795 Hi, We've had bees in the window frame for a couple of years now (we had to remove 7 nests from the roof before moving in and 2 months after the builders finished - zzzzzzzing - we had bees back again). They are filling 2 triangular columns between two stone walls and a hypoteneuse of plasterboard round one of the bedroom windows. They stop us opening that window but have provided a rather restful 'white-noise' humming of innumerable bees day and night. Recently there has been a toot toot toot or a bzzz bzzz bzzz bzzz on a frequency of 2-3 toots (like a distant gazoo) a second which is infrequent enough and audible enough to become annoying. Can anyone guess what is making the noise for us ? Its almost like a bee was getting caught in a spider's web and buzzing to escape except that the beat is so regular. Thanks, its a mystery to me. Andrew -- Andrew T. Lloyd Irish National Centre for BioInformatics INCBI atlloyd@tcd.ie EMBnet Ireland http://acer.gen.tcd.ie From melken@co.tds.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Gregory D. Mellott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990721185837.24418.00000570@ng-cs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:45:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.49.215.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 932982304 207.49.215.133 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:45:04 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:45:04 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19796 May save some soul from Africanized bees, I suspect. That about the sting I'm getting. Sincerely, Gregory D. Mellott From edhale@tcon.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Thomas E. Hale II" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally....Sidetracked Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:04:12 -0500 Lines: 8 Organization: Hanger Bolt & Stud Co. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Message-ID: <379cc076@news.oaktree.net> X-Trace: 26 Jul 1999 13:09:26 -0500, tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!208.134.79.15!news.oaktree.net!tbranch5-15-1.tcon.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19797 I enjoy a good theological debate as much as the next guy, but haven't we gotten a little sidetracked from the original question? All things in there proper place. Let's get back to bees, shall we? Ed in Indy. From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clean Beeswax wanted Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 18:30:16 GMT References: <%1%m3.1584$Hs3.99011@nnrp2.ptd.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726143016.07066.00002200@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19798 >Looking for clean beeswax, lighter color preferred, it does not have to ok so what are you paying ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From joii4ozr@my-deja.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: PC Boy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nutritional Composition of Pollen Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:43:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7nia8t$q7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.22.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 26 18:43:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 www.proxymate.com:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.178.22.18, 204.178.22.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjoii4ozr Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19799 Anybody got a breakdown or a link to a breakdown? Of course, it will vary by pollen type, and I'd be especially interested in an analysis of blackberry pollen, but an "average" would be OK too. USDA doesn't seem to have one on hand. -- "My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others' agony." -- Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. magazine. http://www.postfun.com/racetraitor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Jul 27 21:06:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 1999 18:52:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19800 What you are hearing is called "Piping" It is a sound that queens make. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 21:06:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:44:58 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nidjb$ric$1@front4.grolier.fr> References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-22.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 933018027 28236 194.158.120.22 (26 Jul 1999 19:40:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 19:40:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19801 "The smaller the diameter, the slower speed required. " -- Strange ! apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ kent stienburg a écrit dans le message : 3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net... > Hi Joel, . The smaller > the diameter, the slower speed required> > Kent From raven@gwu.edu Tue Jul 27 21:06:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!grover.nit.gwu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <379CDD7C.6AC0F2D3@gwu.edu> From: diana cascioli Reply-To: raven@gwu.edu Organization: gw graphic design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:13:21 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.164.90.142 X-Complaints-To: news@nit.gwu.edu X-Trace: grover.nit.gwu.edu 933026599 128.164.90.142 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:03:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:03:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19802 Michel Crichton wrote: > > Ok folks, it's probably been asked before here but I must have missed it the > first few times around. > > Does anyone have a good stove top (no equipment needed) recipe for making > mead? Check out http://hbd.org/brewery/cm3/recs/10_toc.html There should be at least a few that don't require any kind of complicated equipment. > Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this stuff? > I don't want to go blind or anything like that. Hmmm. I don't know about mead, but don't make mugwort ale. A friend of mine attempted it and ended up with this horrid batch of brown liquid that tasted like bad soy sauce. :D -- raven- is diana cascioli | Hail to the speaker, GW Graphic Design | Hail to the knower, bmeworld.com/raven2 | Joy to him who has understood, gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Delight to those who have listened. -Havamal From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:16:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7nipgl$qa1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> <379BA42E.CFE@midwest.net> <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030229 26945 62.136.88.41 (26 Jul 1999 23:03:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:03:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19803 I visited the Lusbys of Tucson, Arizona last Christmas, and they are advocates of returning to a smaller cell size; they believe the move to larger cell size over the years has led to over-stressed colonies more susceptible to viral attack etc. I found their commitment impressive, they still have bees despite varroa, tracheal mites and africanisation using no chemicals but having reduced the cell size through making new foundation in their own mill and re-framing all colonies - a huge amount of work. Their perseverance deserves success and I am following their progress this year with interest. Ian the Welsh beekeeper! workerbee wrote in message <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net>... >Yep and there are folks experminting with natural size foundation and >claim fewer mites. I have a hive on natural foundation and had only two >mites, having not been treated with anything. They are wild bees from a >house and are very gentle. > >Don in NC > From ian@shaw38.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:21:38 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nippa$qft$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030506 27133 62.136.88.41 (26 Jul 1999 23:08:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:08:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19804 And a real privilege to hear - many beekeepers have never heard this! Ian BeeCrofter wrote in message <19990726145255.17077.00002207@ng-fs1.aol.com>... >What you are hearing is called "Piping" It is a sound that queens make. > > >Tom > > > >There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:38:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7niq0u$qkk$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <3799e9f6.30159401@news.cidial.com> <3799F936.EB2CDA97@worldnet.att.net> <379B8959.619C@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-95.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933030750 27284 62.136.23.95 (26 Jul 1999 23:12:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:12:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19805 AL wrote in message <379B8959.619C@midwest.net>... >Hasta B. Shasta wrote: >> >> never discuss politics nor religion. > >Sounds like a good policy for this group. > >AL ------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll second that. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:27:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933031987 28236 62.136.43.10 (26 Jul 1999 23:33:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:33:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19806 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com>... > >OH DEAR >Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard >Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then >Crop of honey is due for harvest >Should I introduce before or after clearing crop >Any further advice welcome > >NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage >thanks >Chris 2W 51N > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agree on the curlers. If flow still on the do it now. If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be better, and protect against robbing. Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month for requeening as the excitement will have died down. From barry@birkey.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Barry Birkey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:57:28 -0500 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Message-ID: <933037231.007.13@news.remarQ.com> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.148.145.110 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:00:31 GMT X-Trace: 933037231.007.13 WULKD1.YI916ECC94C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19807 ---------- In article <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, PC Boy wrote: > If a bee, after it pupates in its cell, does not remove the > pupal case, how come bees of successive generations don't get > progressively smaller, as each liner not removed must necessarily > decrease the available cell volume for the next occupant? I think it's known that bees can and do get smaller as the cell closes in. Whether or not this is of any concern is another matter. This has been discussed at length on Bee-L over the years. Here are a few quotes from posts. On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > I found out > years ago and Erik Erickson and others found that European bees vary more > in size than generally acknowledged. Erickson found that the foundation > supplied by various distributors of bee equipment has different cell > sizes. I found that bees vary so much that some colonies can squeeze > through a hole 1/16 of an inch smaller than others. Allen Dick wrote: > We thrashed this one fairly thouroughly to death some time back. The > outcome? > > Apparently most commercial beekeepers don't worry about the age of > brood combs much > > Older combs may be necessary in some regions for successful > wintering > > Bees vary in size more due to nutrition than cell size in many cases. > > Bigger bees are not necessarily better. > > Manufacturers have tended to vary in the size and number of cells per > sheet. The size most commonly made has been arrived at over the > years by consensus. > > Bees in nature vary the size of their cells on a given comb, but tend > to stick close to a size which is characteristic of the strain. > > Small cells may possibly inhibit varroa infestation, since it is > suggested that the gap between the larva and the cell is a factor. From chowell@netnitco.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Deformed wings Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:20:19 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-quad-4-80.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 933042465 14067 216.176.151.80 (27 Jul 1999 02:27:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 02:27:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19808 This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in front of this one hive. I was curious as if they'd fly so I picked up a few and tossed them into the air, to no avail. This purticular hive has been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. The other oddity is that the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had alot of bees hanging out on the entrance. It's as if they're about to swarm. This is a split with a new queen this year. No signs of mites either. Chad From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 21:06:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: DEFORMED WINGS Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:37:57 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7njfko$ffd$2@front1.grolier.fr> References: <3798DF8C.FF070750@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052888 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19809 Bonjour, Do not forget that deformed wings is a sign of hives severely invaded by varroas. Treating at once is the only way. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ peter dillon a écrit dans le message : 3798DF8C.FF070750@club-internet.fr... Hello to all, Regarding the problem of bees with deformed wings: Last year I noticed the same problem in about 20% of my apiaries, starting at the end of june. The hives were apparently stable regarding their population, but produced very little harvest. The population collapse came at the end of August- the hives having the appearance of having just swarmed, i.e. half empty. They were treated with apistan, but it was too late to recover and by the spring I had lost just under 100 colonies. V.j. creeps up until it is too late, hence the need to constantly check V.j.population levels in hives, as there is the constant possibility the a treatment has not been successful, for what ever reason. The moral of the story is- don't presume things are all right, as you will find out it's not- when it is too late, and then you have a lot of dead hives in the back yard. From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 21:06:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:46:57 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> References: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052888 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19810 Bonjour, Here in France, we use to say that chalkbrood is severely promoted by using antibiotics. It is rather easy to understand why, when you consider that chalkbrood is the result of mycoses or fungi invasion. We do not know any efficient chemical treatment. The disease is due to humidity, poor ventilation, frequent liquid feeding, antibiotics. A friend of mine told me that he successfully cured chalkbrood with the following trick : just pour a handful of kitchen salt (big crystals) on the top of frames once a week two or three times. Try it, no danger of chemical and I think it is working by drying the climate inside the hive. Often chalkbrood disappears by itself with sun and nice weather. Another good advice is to requeen when possible. Good luck... apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Gilles Rassel a écrit dans le message : 7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu... > Hello, > I have seveal questions about Chalkbrood: From apipop@club-internet.fr Tue Jul 27 21:06:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange sound from the bees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:57:58 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7njfkp$ffd$4@front1.grolier.fr> References: Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: perpignan-5-173.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 933052889 15853 195.36.177.173 (27 Jul 1999 05:21:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 05:21:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19811 Bonjour, That sounds to me as it was the famous "Song of Queens". -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Andrew T. Lloyd a écrit dans le message : atlloyd-2607991726580001@gen035.gen.tcd.ie... > Hi, > . Recently there has been > a toot toot toot or a bzzz bzzz bzzz bzzz on a frequency > of 2-3 toots (like a distant gazoo) a second which is > infrequent enough and audible enough to become annoying. > > Can anyone guess what is making the noise for us ? Its > almost like a bee was getting caught in a spider's web and > buzzing to escape except that the beat is so regular. > > Thanks, its a mystery to me. > > Andrew > -- > Andrew T. Lloyd Irish National Centre for BioInformatics INCBI > atlloyd@tcd.ie EMBnet Ireland http://acer.gen.tcd.ie > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:53:16 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.222.180 X-Trace: 933065803 1NNUCNF1GDEB4C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19812 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com>... >> >>OH DEAR >>Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard >>Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then >>Crop of honey is due for harvest >>Should I introduce before or after clearing crop >>Any further advice welcome >> >>NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage >>thanks >>Chris 2W 51N >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Agree on the curlers. > >If flow still on the do it now. > >If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I >would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very >young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once >gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your >nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be >better, and protect against robbing. > >Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month >for requeening as the excitement will have died down. Thanks Peter Queens arrived today I will hotfoot it to the bees and see if the flow is still on Blackberry looks as though it is running later around here So I might be able to introduce directly Chris 2W 51N From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:27:35 GMT References: <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727092735.03796.00002071@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19813 > Often chalkbrood disappears by itself with sun and >nice weather. Another good advice is to requeen when possible. >Good luck... chalk brood is one of those maladies that signals other problems. A good healthy hive is the ticket. good ventilation, good house keeping etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!philabs!newsjunkie.ans.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: two to two hundred Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:30:07 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19814 Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to thirty to two hundred hives. What is the optimal number of hives that does not overwhelm you but still gives you the feeling of a commercial player (small scale). thanks Al From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:57:02 GMT References: <37913F1E.6D202F@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727095702.21500.00001644@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19815 Bill Greenrose writes: >there was a very >strong musk-like smell that permeated the house a few minutes later that >dissipated after about a half an hour or so. don't know if bears musk or not Probably was a reappearance of you black bear, bears do stink. I'd stay out of it's way if it bites the bacon. They get mighty pissed. Al From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-224.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:04:32 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.e0 X-Server-Date: 27 Jul 1999 15:06:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19816 In article <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: Something about > the vicarious beekeeper What's that? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:06:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <379DCAE9.3548@midwest.net> References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.174 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:52:31 GMT X-Trace: 933087151.626.68 JF3D7GB4M04AED1F8C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19817 Jajwuth wrote: > > Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to thirty to > two hundred hives. What is the optimal number of hives that does not overwhelm > you but still gives you the feeling of a commercial player (small scale). > > thanks > Al I would think the vicarious beekeeper could shoot past 200 hives without breaking a sweat. AL From michel_crichton@mitel.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!not-for-mail From: "Michel Crichton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brood comb honey Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <5Bkn3.1172$x7.23521432@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:52:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.53.180.130 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:52:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19818 I realize that this has been discussed quite a bit lately but I have another question regarding this topic. I extracted and bottled last weekend, very late Sunday night actually. Much of the honey extracted was from brood frames that were clean. The honey as discussed here is much darker than usual and has a slightly different taste. This may be my imagination but I detect a slight molasses taste. Is this in line with what other people have experienced? All the frames were completely capped. Is it possible then that the honey may have been fermenting in the capped frames before I extracted? I ask this because the taste of molasses mixed with the sugar give the impression of a mild beer taste. This "beer" taste could of course simply be my imagination but the dark honey definitely has a stronger taste. I describe it as "gamy" now. Any thoughts? From cde049@airmail.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:30:28 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7nkk82$p9s@library2.airnews.net> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 27 10:46:10 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !bFJ>1k-XPV1.H$ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19819 > The character I think lacked > energy and seems to mope around. With all the problems in his life it is amazing he gets up every morning (on the days he does get to go to bed) much less dosnen't have a spring in his step. I'm not a comercial bee keeper but have had family problems almost as bad and couldn't function as well as he did. >This is unfair characterization of a > commercial beekeeper. Any characterizatio of a beekeeper (except as a "Bug nut") is better than none! Admire his strength of charactor and steadyness not hil lack of energy. From beetools@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 16:10:37 GMT References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727121037.09934.00002761@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19820 One of the "curses" of beekeeping is that your intelligence goes down in direct proportion to the number of hives you have, and when you get to two hives, you are too dumb to know not to keep going! The process is to build lots of boxes and frames! The method most commercial and sideline beekeepers do is to split hives early in the year (in the Northwest, this is done when the hives are in California in tha almonds), and split heavely again in June. The early Spirng splits are usually to amek up for witner losses. Our honey flow is over about the 4th of July. Brood and house bees in June are not going to make any honey crop, so we can usually make two splits off of a double deep hive in late June. This coupled with queens being readily available and the best mated (and least expensive) at the end of June This make June the ideal time for us to increase. Splits are three frames of brrod and bees, a frame of honey, and a new queen in a five frame nuc box. Most beekeepers run one nuc for each two hives the operate. The nucs will be feed up and treated and put in single deeps in September for wintering. The total nubmer you can run as a sideline will vary with the type of operation you are running. If it's primailry a pollination business, the number will be lower than if you are running a honey production business. There is a big danger point for sideliners. Here in the Northwest, it's about 400 colonies - you have too few to make a living, and too many to manage by yourself. The only good that comes of this is that after you have run youself ragged and out of money, you sell out to someone like me and I sell off all the use stuf to new beekeepers, the starting the cycle over again. Around her 200 colonies can be run for pollination and honey and you can still hold down a real job (it is a LOT of work however). The next step is to jump to 700 and go fulltime commercial. It takes the same amount of support equipment as 200 and you can still manage the operation by youself. The next jump is to about 1400 and a fulltime employee. Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From cde049@airmail.net Tue Jul 27 21:06:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Uncapped honey Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:39:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37B28EF32AEEE6E0.647B6631A22BC03F.4058493073B84A6D@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7nkkoe$tq@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 27 10:54:55 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X$"Z1k-W+_t\p: (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19821 I have two medium supers on one hive,one is capped and ready for extraction, and one is filled but not capped. The flow is over. Can I feed to get them to cap the remaining super, so I can pull this before the broomweed honey flow starts? From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:39:49 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933097231 nnrp-13:20493 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19822 In article <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net>, Chad Howell writes >This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 >drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in >front of this one hive. I was curious as if they'd fly so I picked up a >few and tossed them into the air, to no avail. This purticular hive has >been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. The other oddity is that >the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had >alot of bees hanging out on the entrance. It's as if they're about to >swarm. This is a split with a new queen this year. No signs of mites >either. It would seem as if the bees are throwing the drones out for the winter. They drag them by the wings, and tear bits out in the process. -- Tom From nono@nono.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.69 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933099744 216.98.69.69 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:22:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:22:24 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:22:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19823 You can buy a nice set of plan from Brushy Mtn.Bee Supply for $1.25. I've built this solar melter and it works great. 1-800-233-7929 John In article <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com>, rhfjr81@aol.com says... > >I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 >pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from >the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > > Richard Flanagan From amontgomery@visi.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> From: Alan Montgomery Reply-To: amontgomery@visi.com Organization: Al's Bees X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:22 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.170.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 933100750 209.98.170.213 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:39:10 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19824 I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. Alan. I could send a picture of the suspected comb? From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 27 Jul 1999 18:51:53 GMT References: <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727145153.22913.00001234@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19825 In article <9C2F5F73F19310FF.7BEB880A3C505E8F.4B919DA5C5D43D52@lp.airnews.net>, "dewitt" writes: >Any characterizatio of a beekeeper (except as a "Bug nut") is better than >none! Yuu cain't beat Billy J T. Unh Hunhh- to pay Ullie unh hunhh Think twice . unh hunhh Al From dmarple@urjet.netNOSPAM Tue Jul 27 21:06:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Marple" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb on queen excluder Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:59:51 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <933102269.622.6@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.231.136.32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:04:29 GMT X-Trace: 933102269.622.6 HP5BVU17I8820D0E7C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19826 Is it normal for the bees to build much comb beneath and in between the wires of a metal queen excluder? I just put one in about 2 week ago and, at recent check, was about 50% covered with burr honeycomb (I scraped all the wax out). From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933106538 000 192.168.254.73 (27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 20:15:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19827 does anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that bumbles dont sting...opps! From h.tait@home.com Tue Jul 27 21:06:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:03:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933112980 24.65.132.209 (Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:03:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:03:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19828 > Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to thirty to > ok. Heeer we go: Start with two hives, and offer your services for free to a beekeper who has at least 50-100 hives. This size operation will require your help in all areas instead of specific repetitive beekeeping jobs. Do this with a smile, open heart, and your mouth shut and your ears open. Watch and learn this is why you are helping. Manage your own two hives for a season, and ask your mentor questions when the bees do things, that the books say they do not. The next spring split one hive in two, and make 3-4 nukes from the other hive. this will give you 4-6 hives and teach you pratical beekeeping techniques. Run those for the season. That fall, decide if you still like bees, and if you are starting to have a knack for it. If you feel comfortable, and decide to go ahead. Start making plans and a budget to go to 100 hives. Do not jump too much past 100 or the learning curve will be too steep. I can tell you how and when to jump from my perspective, but this is Canada and climate and work load is different. Take you local area into account when making this discision. Like me you will want to go to 100-200 without learning or waiting, ignore this thought or it will be the beginning of the end. We just bought bees >from a gentleman who did just that. He lost money, we made money. I am not a vulture but say this to illustrate my point. I find that 100 hive will be fun, and you will be able to handle that with the demands of a dayjob. 200 hive with a dayjob ( you know a real one) will make you a complete stranger to your wife and children. A very bad thing. When we went big we did all of the above, ran 200 for one season with jobs to get our feet on the ground, then the next season we quit our dayjobs and went solo with the bees. I would only try a summer like that once. Lastly, do it with your own finances, do not borrow or go to a bank or for sure you will end up as a bank employee. Follow your dreams, or live a life of quiet desperation. Good things always hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:43:01 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nld4j$od3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-63.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933115859 24995 62.136.20.191 (27 Jul 1999 22:50:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:50:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19829 Alan Montgomery wrote in message <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com>... >. Some cells have >the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty >liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and >bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the >remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a >diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after >feeding TM for a while ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 99.999% certain AFB if it 'ropes'. In the UK burning is the only option - that is why we have such a low incidence of AFB. Can't see any problem in requeening another hive - but it may show AFB soon anyway, so I would not spend too much on a queen! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 27 21:06:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:44:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nld4l$od3$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990721001958.24424.00000300@ng-cs1.aol.com> <19990721105753.21500.00000255@ngol04.aol.com> <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-63.molybdenum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933115861 24995 62.136.20.191 (27 Jul 1999 22:51:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:51:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19830 Shelley Corbin wrote in message <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >does anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that >bumbles dont sting...opps! > ------------------------------------- Not when I tried it - and they do (but not often). From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting Started Professionally Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:47:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7nlgf0$tpq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n5g0r$4s5$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.77 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 27 23:47:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.77 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19831 To All -- Golly, Gee, I must have clicked on the wrong button somewhere. I thought this was about bees ! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------------------------- "Wayne Hunsucker" wrote: > I've kept bees for years, once holding over 60 hives. I moved Augusta, GA 5 > years ago > and have had very little success with bees here. Augusta's known as the > Garden City, > but nectar producing plants are not in sufficient supply. > This is so silly, what I'm about to say, but I want to get into > beekeeping fulltime so bad > I can taste it. Somebody tell me why I should find an operation with 200 > hives. Somebody > else tell me why I shouldn't. > I'm a minister in a large church here in Augusta. I miss my bees so > badly. > > -- > Wayne Hunsucker > 706-228-1992 -- Study Phone > 706-731-5355 -- Office Phone > 706-481-1243 -- Pager > > God's peace is peculiar. I hope you experience some today. > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb on queen excluder Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:59:16 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7nlkf4$48c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <933102269.622.6@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-27.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933123364 4364 209.130.165.27 (28 Jul 1999 00:56:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 00:56:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19832 Yes. Dave Marple wrote in message <933102269.622.6@news.remarQ.com>... >Is it normal for the bees to build much comb beneath and in between the >wires of a metal queen excluder? I just put one in about 2 week ago and, at >recent check, was about 50% covered with burr honeycomb (I scraped all the >wax out). > > From beeman@kingston.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:17:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <379E5A13.9FB2BE8@kingston.net> References: <3797E966.80B15B80@twcny.rr.com> <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> <379B8B5C.193A@midwest.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19833 > I suspect that is a typo. > The smaller dia. cage will require a higher rpm to develop the same > centrifugal force as a larger dia. cage - agreed? Yes, I goofed. The shorter circumference will require a higher RPM. Thanks for pointing that out! Kent From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:23:31 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 104 Message-ID: <7nllsl$m7g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-27.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933124821 22768 209.130.165.27 (28 Jul 1999 01:20:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 01:20:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19834 Hugh Tait wrote in message ... > >> Could anybody describe to me the process of going from two to five to >thirty to >> > > ok. Heeer we go: > > Start with two hives, and offer your services for free to a beekeper >who has at least 50-100 hives. This size operation will require your help in >all areas instead of specific repetitive beekeeping jobs. Do this with a >smile, open heart, and your mouth shut and your ears open. Watch and learn >this is why you are helping. Never turn down "free" help...it is definately hard to find however! I still remember the time we had someone hired to help extract. He showed up the first day wearing a bandana biker-style on his head and a "No Fear" t-shirt. Day one-he was a bit slow but figured he was still in "learning and getting used" to it mode. Next day he got stung and went home crying and he never came back! > >Manage your own two hives for a season, and ask your mentor questions when >the bees do things, that the books say they do not. > >The next spring split one hive in two, and make 3-4 nukes from the other >hive. this will give you 4-6 hives and teach you pratical beekeeping >techniques. Run those for the season. > >That fall, decide if you still like bees, and if you are starting to have a >knack for it. If you feel comfortable, and decide to go ahead. Start making >plans and a budget to go to 100 hives. Do not jump too much past 100 or the >learning curve will be too steep. I can tell you how and when to jump from >my perspective, but this is Canada and climate and work load is different. >Take you local area into account when making this discision. > >Like me you will want to go to 100-200 without learning or waiting, ignore >this thought or it will be the beginning of the end. We just bought bees >from a gentleman who did just that. He lost money, we made money. I am not a >vulture but say this to illustrate my point. > >I find that 100 hive will be fun, and you will be able to handle that with >the demands of a dayjob. 200 hive with a dayjob ( you know a real one) will >make you a complete stranger to your wife and children. A very bad thing. and why can't they become part of it? > >When we went big we did all of the above, ran 200 for one season with jobs >to get our feet on the ground, then the next season we quit our dayjobs and >went solo with the bees. I would only try a summer like that once. > "We" meaning husband/wife or a partner not in the same household income? Please explain how two people can quit their day jobs on 200 colonies? >Lastly, do it with your own finances, do not borrow or go to a bank or for >sure you will end up as a bank employee. Anyone who borrows money from a bank becomes a bank employee regardless if its a car loan or a business loan. If you are good on your loans (now talking business loan) especially since you are making progress and keeping your debt load in check...the bank will do almost anything for you! You are the one keeping them in business...so I guess I don't look at it as being a "bank employee, I see the bank as a very useful tool! > >Follow your dreams, or live a life of quiet desperation. > >Good things always --Busybee > >hugh >Boschman Hughes Apiaries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:18:29 GMT References: <7nllsl$m7g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727221829.21497.00001722@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19835 If a person is getting out of the apiary business and is selling everything. I'm thinking of a 100 to 150 hive operation. Would the apiary be almost free or would not add appreciably to the value of the farm. I'm thinking of an analogy of buying a house with a swimming pool. In some cases the pool does not add significantly to the value of the house. There is a limited number of buyers of an apiary as opposed to the farm. I'm not meaning to devalue the value of an apiary or make anybody mad. Could it be that a small apiary may be a good buy. Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:29:59 GMT References: <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727222959.24001.00000682@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19836 >oes anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that >bumbles dont sting...opps! I aint sure bout smoke but a badmitten racquet works wonders ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uncapped honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:32:25 GMT References: <37B28EF32AEEE6E0.647B6631A22BC03F.4058493073B84A6D@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727223225.24001.00000686@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19837 >Can I feed to get them to cap the remaining super, so I can pull this before >the broomweed honey flow starts? > not unless you want adulterated honey Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:35:33 GMT References: <19990727145153.22913.00001234@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990727223533.22914.00001413@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19838 In article <19990727145153.22913.00001234@ngol05.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) writes: >Yuu cain't beat Billy J T. >Unh Hunhh- >to pay Ullie >unh hunhh >Think twice . >unh hunhh > >Al I meant Billy Bob Thornton the character in Slingblade Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: June Bug Problems Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:43:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19839 Any a ya'll havin any problems with june bugs this year ? The dang things is trying to take over my place. They's bout 20 dead june bugs for every hive and they just dont seem ta learn that if they go in the bees is gonna tote em out ! Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the rest a ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat but when they goes ta botherin my bees well , somethin's gotta give ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:40:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <379E6DAA.3EEA@midwest.net> References: <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990727222959.24001.00000682@ng-fm1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19840 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >oes anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that > >bumbles dont sting...opps! > > I aint sure bout smoke but a badmitten racquet works wonders ! > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Jumpin' the net at the end of the game is tough though... How 'bout suckin'em up with a bee vac??? AL From richwebb*nospam*@gte.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <379E82DB.7DE13D02@gte.net> From: Rich Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Queening Advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 X-Trace: /KiKeTBnW4Wtb/ScDj0TH/ETpyzPn9nT4QVapeXHA2sYxjQmjlevs6vvo7W1diqnGOl4CyT/eo5w!OSQwmQt1xEjYhUdUfx56wC//QnivtnRnE0Ll2lm/rZPn32++DUU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:11:27 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:11:27 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19841 So it seems that we lost the queens in our home hives when the old queens swarmed away. For whatever reason, we don't have queens in our hives now. I was trying to research which strain of queen to get to resuply our hives, and I decided to compile the information into a web page table so that everyone could see what I've produced. The page is located at: http://home1.gte.net/richwebb/beestrain.htm >From this group, I ask that you check out the page, and tell me if I'm completely off base in the information that I've collected. I'm also looking for advice on how to introduce the queens that I've chosen to our established hives. You can reply to this list, or to me personally at: richwebb@gte.net Thanks for the trouble you take, and hopefully the page can be made better! Rich Webb From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:51:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.62 X-Server-Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:57:00 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19842 In article <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com>, amontgomery@visi.com wrote: > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along > with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place > with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > I'm a newbie, and I may be completely wrong, so I'll welcomed resposes to my response from the cognocenti, but... I'm under the impression that you should burn both hives completely, after killing both colonies of bees, in order to prevent the spread of AFB. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uncapped honey Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:30:37 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7nmlug$6te$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37B28EF32AEEE6E0.647B6631A22BC03F.4058493073B84A6D@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-50.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933157648 7086 209.130.165.50 (28 Jul 1999 10:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 10:27:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19843 =0 =0 =0 !!! Don't do that! You would be adulterating your pure honey with the feeding syrup. You may extract uncapped honey. If you are concerned about moisture. Leave the super in a room overnight with a dehumidifier to pull out excess moisture...providing that most of the remainder of the frame is capped. --Busybee dewitt wrote in message <37B28EF32AEEE6E0.647B6631A22BC03F.4058493073B84A6D@lp.airnews.net>... >I have two medium supers on one hive,one is capped and ready for extraction, >and one is filled but not capped. The flow is over. >Can I feed to get them to cap the remaining super, so I can pull this before >the broomweed honey flow starts? > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:04:54 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> To: Hk1BeeMan X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 28 Jul 1999 10:08:43 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jul 28 03:15:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust204.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379ED5C6.432@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19844 Now Kevin! June bugs is June bugs and this is July, so are you sure them ain't July bugs? What bout next week which will be Aug, will they still be June bugs? Don From allend@internode.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Mead Recipe? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:23:45 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 103 Message-ID: <000201bed8e3$46041100$02000003@allend> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19845 > > Is there anything I should watch out for when attempting to make this > stuff? I don't want to go blind or anything like that. > The worst thing that can happen is that > you end up with vinegar, and even that is yummy on salads, etc. With all due respect, you *can* also make acetone and lots of other toxic things along with mead, using the same ingredients. As a long time maker of mead (literally hundreds of gallons in many, many batches over many years), I can assure you that things can go wrong, but I doubt blindness is a risk. But you are right that usually things are just fine. The palate will tell most people if something is wrong, because the taste will not be at all attractive. We all know what wine should taste like. Don't drink anything that tastes bad -- even if it comes from a store. Good mead will taste better than most low end store bought wines and can rank right up there with the best. If tasted too early, though, there may be some off tastes until the process completes, so don't give up until the mead has finished and cleared. You are absolutely right about the need for cleanliness, and that is where I went wrong on the two batches I poured down a drain. I had gotten used to having excellent luck and got a bit sloppy about pasteurizing the honey, and also the quality of the honey. I got some molds on the must and the resulting product, although drinkable, was not attractive. I was not sure about its safety and dumped it. Good mead will not give a headache, even when 'enjoyed' to excess. If you get a hangover from anything you drink, don't drink it again. What does that say about many commercial wines and liquors? Since then, I have been very sterile, and use a bleach to rinse the barrel I use, pasteurizing temperatures (~125 degrees F for ~four hours) for melting the honey, city chlorinated water (wait until it goes flat before adding yeast), metabisulfate in the must a day before before pitching the yeast, and my mead has never been better. To make a simple dry mead that is similar to champagne without bubbles (they can be added) ~35 to 40 gallons (US) clean water (not distilled, minerals are good) ~130 pounds melted honey, still warm. Use a bit more for sweeter mead. 350 to 400 ml citric acid 350 to 400 ml dibasic ammonium phosphate. A tablespoon or two of energizer if you have it 10 pkgs Lalvin EC-1118 champagne yeast or equivalent. I use a plastic juice drum. Metal drums aren't good for this. Why a drum, you ask? Well the normal five gallon batch isn't very much good if you make mead as good as mine, and if you have any friends at all. Remember that this mead will take four months, minimum, to finish at best, and so you will have 4 months to the next one if you like it. And it is better after six months. If you make too little, you will always be drinking new mead instead of the slightly aged product that is many times better. Around here, what with little gifts and the odd party, a drum doesn't quite make it through a year. After all, this stuff is *cheap* to make, and you will likely want to be generous with bottles of it, and bask in the admiration of your associates, not a cheapskate who measures it out by the 1/2 glass... The honey should be the _very best you can get_, not floor scrapings, etc. I think washing cappings would be okay, but how do you measure? For that matter, you can add more honey at any time during the process; if your mead is too dry for you when about done, just add more honey and see if it ferments more. If not, then you are at the ~15% to 18% alcohol level that kills this yeast, and the sweetness will not be turned to alcohol. You have to be careful bottling sweet meads and not cap tightly unless you 'stabilize' it with a preservative from the U-brew store. Meads sometimes start a 'secondary' fermentation weeks or months after stopping if there is honey left -- and we don't want any 'glass grenades' created by trapped C02. Use champagne bottles, corks and wires, if in doubt. This high (compared to wine making) level of di-basic ammonium phosphate is *essential* to preventing a 'stuck' fermentation, but worried me, so I called the poison centre to see if it is toxic. Apparently not. It is a diuretic, and if somehow you got too much, you would just pee a whole lot. They wanted my name and address -- just in case I was planning to make someone into a prune, I guess. The acid can be malic or tartaric, if you prefer. No matter. It adds the right feel on the tongue, assists the fermentation, and preserves the mead. Energiser makes for stronger, faster yeasts. The champagne yeast is my favourite. Just throw it into the mix at room temperature or so. No need to fuss -- or to follow the package directions. Turn the bungs into the drum a little. Definitely do *not* try for a tight seal. C02 will be coming out, so no air will get in. Stand the drum at about 70 degrees F until done. When your mead has stopped working in about 3 months, I recommend filtering it with a #2 wine filter rented from a U-brew store. You can just settle the mead, but filtering improves the flavour very noticably, make a crystal clear product, and is over and done with. Don't judge the taste right after filtering. It will be a bit odd due to the violence it experiences under pressure. Bottle it and wait a week or two. If you use corks, rather than screw caps, wait a month ot two for best flavour. allen From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 12:48:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990728084815.10901.00001381@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19846 stretch writes: >Something about > >> the vicarious beekeeper > >What's that? I know I had to look up that one too. Still not sure what he is getting at. It could mean anything in this Killorscrewya world Al. From allend@internode.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Spinning-time of a small radial extr.? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:00:43 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <000301bed901$951db7a0$02000003@allend> References: <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3799ED4C.DB8722F9@kingston.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19847 > The smaller the diameter, the slower speed required. If anyone is thinking of making a radial with a very small radius and small number of combs, think of this: 1.) In most radials, the distance from the bottom of a comb to the centre (axis) is not too different from the distance from the top of the comb to the centre, thus they both get significant centripetal force. This is the force that makes the honey run like water. If the extarctor radius is made too small and the comb bottoms are only inches from the centre, the bottom of the comb will get very little force and not be extracted, while the top part will empty fine. 2.) In rotating, winds are created that can blow out weak and new frames if they are not protected by being close beside another frame. The wind can be worst when the lid is opened while running. In small diameters, the spacing between frames tends to be wide. Radials are best suited to large diameters and comb counts over 30. Tangentals can work very well in small sizes, and be motorized easily. We extracted 100 colonies one year with only a four frame reversable run by a two speed furnace fan motor. allen From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:51:49 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <379F1905.425B@midwest.net> References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19848 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > In article <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com>, > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the > rest a > > ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat... > > I was thinking the SAME THING when you mentioned June Bugs... must be a > Nawth Carolina thing... > Naw, we do the same thing in SE IL. The June bugs get so big here though we can't let the little ones hold the string by themselves or they'll end up in the next county. AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:49:07 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.62 X-Server-Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:54:28 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19849 In article , Tom Speight wrote: > It would seem as if the bees are throwing the drones out for the winter. > They drag them by the wings, and tear bits out in the process. OUCH! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:52:59 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.62 X-Server-Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:58:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19850 In article <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the rest a > ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat... I was thinking the SAME THING when you mentioned June Bugs... must be a Nawth Carolina thing... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From allend@internode.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: commercial versus hobbyist Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:20:43 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 32 Message-ID: <000101bed8da$776795e0$02000003@allend> References: <7nc85p$1abm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7nc85p$1abm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19851 > C's for the most part do Not use queen excluders (a.k.a. honey > excluder)...waste of time. A C makes his living on the amount of honey > produced. Might be true where you live, but not true in my area. Over the past 20 years, more and more Alberta beekeepers have started using them to where, at present, I believe the majority use them. Excluders, rather than being a waste of time are a huge time saver in some management systems. I ran my 3,000 colonies without excluders one year recently after twenty-five years with and found it such a hassle that I will never do it again. I could not see even one benefit, and there were many many drawbacks. As for honey production, it was about the same or maybe less than we get using excluders (hard to prove one way or the other). Using excluders requires expertise and understanding of the bees. Not everyone can make them work for their methods. As for the emphasis on honey, many commercials are heavily into pollination and some find surplus honey to be a serious nuisance at times. Easy management is more important than a little extra honey (especially at the high cost of labour and the low low price of honey) when bees have to be worked at sub-optimal times and supers removed or shuffled from hive to hive to achieve even heights for moving -- without taking queens away. > Hobbiest and commercials do need each other! Commercials are counting on someone wanting to buy the outfit some day and also on people valuing beekeeping and wanting employment in the business. Hobbyists spread the good word and also provide buyers for supplies and equipment, as well as new ideas. allen From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:08:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <379F2B0A.4A6E@midwest.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19852 Be careful while hiking in bear country; there are grizzly bears as well as brown bears out there. You can probably purchase some small bells to pin on your shirt. The bells reportedly frighten the grizzlys away. There is also some hot pepper spray which when applied to your clothing is supposed to repel grizzlys. When hiking be alert for fresh bear feces which would indicate there are bears in the area. The brown bear, which is basically non agressive, has feces very similar to a small dog. The grizzly, on the other hand, has much larger and puddled feces, which contains small bells and smells like hot pepper spray. AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-58.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:51:38 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> <379F1905.425B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.3a X-Server-Date: 28 Jul 1999 15:57:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19853 In article <379F1905.425B@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > Naw, we do the same thing in SE IL. The June bugs get so big here though > we can't let the little ones hold the string by themselves or they'll > end up in the next county. > LOL! That sounds like something a TEX-un would say! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Me@Somewhere.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.tvd.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed3.global.lmco.com!svlss.lmms.lmco.com!news From: NewBee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees as Mine Detectors Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:50:59 -0400 Organization: Lockheed Martin Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <379F34F3.928292A7@Somewhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bossk.mar.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/869) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19854 Hi folks, Thought I'd share this with you: Lockheed Martin has published an article on its efforts to breed bees as mine detectors. You can find the article at: http://www.lmco.com/files3/lmtoday/9907/issue.html Cheers, -Steve From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nllsl$m7g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990727221829.21497.00001722@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:41:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933187285 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:41:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:41:25 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19855 I think you have hit the nail on the head. It is not so much that you will not get your money back ( a distinct possiblility) but that your potential buyers become more limited. Less demand lower price. Another reason to keep your apiarie seperate from your home residence is that if you wish to move to city nearby or to a nicer yard, or bigger house, your house will sell quicker and you can retain the operation. Or Vice versa. I suspect there are tax implications and benifits you may lose keeping them seperate. With the above in mind, a good or bad deal would depend on the circumstances, the more motvated the seller, the less demand the better the price. As well the reverse. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990727221829.21497.00001722@ngol04.aol.com... > If a person is getting out of the apiary business and is selling everything. There is a limited number of buyers of > an apiary as opposed to the farm. I'm not meaning to devalue the value of an > apiary or make anybody mad. Could it be that a small apiary may be a good buy. > Al > > From obriens@sky.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2pul3.12$Ig2.1504379@alpha.sky.net> <19990721223229.03574.00000427@ngol01.aol.com> Subject: Re: sting-swelling Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:50:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 933187813 209.90.4.210 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:50:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:50:13 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19856 Jajwuth wrote in message >correct or not is that it seems to exercise your immune system in healing the >fly bites. Can the same be said about bee stings.>>Al That's why some people, like me, sting ourselves on purpose about 70 times a week. Try looking at these links for more info. http://www.sci.fi/~apither/links.html Your theory is correct. John From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nl41a$5cde$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <19990727222959.24001.00000682@ng-fm1.aol.com> Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:48:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933187719 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:48:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:48:39 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19857 I love you man, your killing me. lolotf hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries > >oes anyone know if smoke calms bumble bees? i told my sister that > >bumbles dont sting...opps! > > I aint sure bout smoke but a badmitten racquet works wonders ! > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> Subject: Re: Deformed wings Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933188009 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:53:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:53:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19858 > > > It would seem as if the bees are throwing the drones out for the winter. > > They drag them by the wings, and tear bits out in the process. > > OUCH! Had a girlfriend who was like that once. hugh From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990727093007.23400.00001412@ngol07.aol.com> <7nllsl$m7g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 131 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:34:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933186862 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:34:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:34:22 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19859 >I find that 100 hive will be fun, and you will be able to handle that with > >the demands of a dayjob. 200 hive with a dayjob ( you know a real one) will > >make you a complete stranger to your wife and children. A very bad thing. > > > and why can't they become part of it? I would first like to add the my last post is just my opinion, coloured by my own experiences and others I have seen. Take my post as an attempt to help, with the understanding that I believe I am fumbling in the dark with everyone else. That being said : Your family can be a intregal part of your operation, if they have the desire. If they do not, it is not fair to impose your dreams on them. I myself followed my dreams which not nessasarily my fathers. Sometimes this happens sometimes it does not. In my case my sons have other dreams, the busiunes is open to them should they desire at anytime. Everyone in my house contributes in some way, and they will help at the drop of a hat, but one is an artist and the other is a Chef, which both find as fullfilling as I do bees.While I find everyone has an interest in bees and, this can be encouraged, it does not nessasarily follow that they want to work with them. My younger boys I take to the yards with me, but if I push too hard I can see them start to get frustrated. They are young and have friends and many interests. The youngest think will be a beekeeper, of his own free will, and a little encouragement. So yes they can be a part of your operation, but the must have a desire. If they do not it must be respected. > > > >When we went big we did all of the above, ran 200 for one season with jobs > >to get our feet on the ground, then the next season we quit our dayjobs and > >went solo with the bees. I would only try a summer like that once. > > > > "We" meaning husband/wife or a partner not in the same household income? > Please explain how two people can quit their day jobs on 200 colonies? In Saskatchewan Canada, the last 5 year average for production for hives was 185 lbs per hive, higher than some of the post I have read. You cannot however live on this by simply being a bee farmer, you have to do more and and treat it like a business as well. This means you must market your product, and sell it yourself, then you will recieve more than a packer price. As an example we would not move enough product from the farmgate to do this, so you have to think outside the box. We have set up accounts with restaurants who buy it in 50 lb pails and they pay about half to 2/3s of the price they get from the wholesalers. $2.00 per lb vs the 72 cents Canadian being offered right now. Try bakers they will buy it in drums. you get the idea. As well, we are having success with going after speciaty honeys, which if marketed properly will get you a better price than just quoted. Note Do not go after corriander and the bees will starve. > >Lastly, do it with your own finances, do not borrow or go to a bank or for > >sure you will end up as a bank employee. > > > Anyone who borrows money from a bank becomes a bank employee regardless if > its a car loan or a business loan. If you are good on your loans (now > talking business loan) especially since you are making progress and keeping > your debt load in check...the bank will do almost anything for you! You are > the one keeping them in business...so I guess I don't look at it as being a > "bank employee, I see the bank as a very useful tool! For example, I have managed and consulted for reaturant owners for 25 years, I have seen a number of people getting a return after loan payments a lot lower than they could realize doing the same job for someone else. I did not mean to slam the banks, we all know they are good thing, and are handy when they come through. I am saying however that the interest you pay them for the loan, is sometimes the difference between a business where you make a decent wage and a business where you end up with the same amount of money as you would make working for someone else. Except that quiting becomes more complicated. Bees, climate, weather and pesticide hits are in the hands of god, if you are not stuck with loan payments, you have a lot more room to move. That being said, there are times when the opportunity will not ever be there without a banks involvement. The origional post I read to be a request for advice to insure success in starting a bee business. IMHO I believe we use credit to achieve our goals and wants much too freely in north america. Speaking as a former credit addict. Smile Take this post for what it is worth to you, I post it in all humility, knowing there are plenty of holes to be punched in any point of view. Think outside the box hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:44:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933187469 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:44:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:44:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19860 Seems we are all brothers, we been doing that in canada too as kids. Thanks made me remember and smile. hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-2707992053000001@pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net... > In article <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com>, > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the > rest a > > ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat... > > I was thinking the SAME THING when you mentioned June Bugs... must be a > Nawth Carolina thing... > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:52:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> <379F1905.425B@midwest.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 28 Jul 1999 19:56:22 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jul 28 13:05:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust67.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <379F5F7F.686B@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19861 Don't tell kevin that. Hell import some and hook eu to his truck like a team of clidesdales to save gas. AL wrote: > > Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > > > In article <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com>, > > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > > > Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the > > rest a > > > ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat... > > > > I was thinking the SAME THING when you mentioned June Bugs... must be a > > Nawth Carolina thing... > > > > Naw, we do the same thing in SE IL. The June bugs get so big here though > we can't let the little ones hold the string by themselves or they'll > end up in the next county. > > AL From bees@Towner.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:06:46 -0400 Organization: Sprint-ANS Lines: 39 Message-ID: <379F62D4.215EEC2C@Towner.net> References: <378BD01C.8E3BAA52@valley.net> <379F2B0A.4A6E@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user3.ctinet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.utelfla.com 933192405 645 205.245.18.63 (28 Jul 1999 20:06:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.utelfla.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 20:06:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19862 AL wrote: > Be careful while hiking in bear country; there are grizzly bears as well > as brown bears out there. You can probably purchase some small bells to > pin on your shirt. The bells reportedly frighten the grizzlys away. > There is also some hot pepper spray which when applied to your clothing > is supposed to repel grizzlys. > > When hiking be alert for fresh bear feces which would indicate there are > bears in the area. The brown bear, which is basically non agressive, > has feces very similar to a small dog. The grizzly, on the other hand, > has much larger and puddled feces, which contains small bells and smells > like hot pepper spray. > > AL Montana Grizzly Bear Notice: In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the Montana Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field. We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle the bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear poop. Black bear poop is smaller and contains a lot of berry seeds and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear poop has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray. -PT ;-) From beeman221@my-deja.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!den-news-01.qwest.net!qwest!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:14:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7nnvcl$hqn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.139.132 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 28 22:14:51 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x21.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.166.139.132 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman221 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19863 In article <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com>, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > > > > >Best advice is: > > > >Do it at the right time: > > > >good flow; > >no robbing; > >bees not preparing to swarm. Dear Chris, I can't argue with the above but please be sure that the colonies are Queenless BEFORE you introduce your precious new queens. If as you post the colonies are nasty then use a three hole introduction cage and cork BOTH ends. Give it three days then remove the candy cork and let the bees release the Queen. I discovered tonight that a colony had released a Queen from this type of cage in under 24 hours! The nastier the bees the slower the introduction to be safe..r. Good luck and good wishes. Pete. > > OH DEAR > Just obtaining 3 new queens for some wicked bees in a friends orchard > Must therefore introduce in August. No flow around here then > Crop of honey is due for harvest > Should I introduce before or after clearing crop > Any further advice welcome > > NB Grandmothers curler works well as Butler cage > thanks > Chris 2W 51N > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990728084815.10901.00001381@ngol08.aol.com> Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:30:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933201035 24.65.132.209 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:30:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:30:35 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19864 Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990728084815.10901.00001381@ngol08.aol.com... > stretch writes: > > >Something about > > > >> the vicarious beekeeper > > > >What's that? He is infering that some people live their lives watching others getting the experience second hand, as opposed to do and actually experiencing it yourself. I do this quite often when I read books about exploring in the 1800-1900's hugh > From klam@inforamp.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, wild bees Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <7HLn3.138$AA4.449854@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:42:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.226.16 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933201731 137.186.226.16 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:42:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:42:11 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19865 Without knowing it I have been acting as a host to a nest/hive of wild bees. they were nesting in a pile of dry leaves and garden waste, the pile was accidentally set on fire (some idiot with a cigarette). In putting the fire out I had to break the pile up, this has left the brood without a home, they don't seem to have made a honeycomb, but they do have lots of pupa cells. I don't want to destroy the nest, anymore than already done, how can I move them without getting myself stung to "death", and giving them the best chance of survival. So far I have put the cells I could find into a upturned plastic bucket with a smallish hole at the rim. I know that there is a queen around somewhere, but she is not with the cells. If I can find her,should I move her into the bucket. where would the best place be for them. should I leave them to it, or is there something else I should do help -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From Bop_Vito@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 05:38:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bopvito" Subject: Hot weather bee feeding? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: phila-ts1-148.p3.net/209.107.29.148 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:38:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 933208708 216.200.3.202 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:38:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:38:28 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19866 Hobbyist, 1 hive. Real hot and dry for the last 6 weeks, little or no rain. I have open water out in pie plates and a bird bath. I see bees drinking Lots of bees, plenty of brood but they're not drawing out comb on the new foundation. Some people have suggested feeding sugar syrup. Will a feeder in the hive entrance make it too hard for them to cool the hive? At the end of the day, the hive entrance and the top of the hive (cover ajar for ventilation) is crowded with fanning bees. Thanks very much to the very helpful answers to my previous questions. The tone of this discussion is very fine. -Eliot and EDO -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Jul 30 05:38:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:15:02 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-82.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933214325 51176 209.130.165.82 (29 Jul 1999 02:12:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 02:12:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19867 If you choose to start the sugar syrup feeding, you will not be able to sell your honey as pure honey. Sugar/syrup in honey is called adulterated honey. --Busybee Bopvito wrote in message <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>... >Hobbyist, 1 hive. Real hot and dry for the last 6 weeks, little or no >rain. I have open water out in pie plates and a bird bath. I see bees >drinking > >Lots of bees, plenty of brood but they're not drawing out comb on the >new foundation. > >Some people have suggested feeding sugar syrup. > >Will a feeder in the hive entrance make it too hard for them to cool >the hive? At the end of the day, the hive entrance and the top of the >hive (cover ajar for ventilation) is crowded with fanning bees. > >Thanks very much to the very helpful answers to my previous questions. >The tone of this discussion is very fine. > >-Eliot and EDO >-- >Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com >Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From nopcme@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Address Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 02:27:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728222744.20410.00003624@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19868 I connect to this ng thru aol. Can someone give me the address when connecting >from outside aol? Thanx, Jim From chowell@netnitco.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!news.nitco.com!not-for-mail From: Chad Howell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:59:02 -0500 Organization: NetNITCO Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <379FC375.CC8BFF34@netnitco.net> References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: valpo-hyper-2-35.netnitco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hyperion.nitco.com 933217588 1966 216.176.150.35 (29 Jul 1999 03:06:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@netnitco.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 03:06:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19869 I thought that might be the case. Chad Tom Speight wrote: > In article <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net>, Chad Howell > writes > >This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 > >drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in > >front of this one hive. I was curious as if they'd fly so I picked up a > >few and tossed them into the air, to no avail. This purticular hive has > >been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. The other oddity is that > >the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had > >alot of bees hanging out on the entrance. It's as if they're about to > >swarm. This is a split with a new queen this year. No signs of mites > >either. > It would seem as if the bees are throwing the drones out for the winter. > They drag them by the wings, and tear bits out in the process. > -- > Tom From apipop@club-internet.fr Fri Jul 30 05:39:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:59:43 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7nnn04$mr3$1@front5.grolier.fr> References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-75.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 933191492 23395 194.158.120.75 (28 Jul 1999 19:51:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jul 1999 19:51:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19870 Bonjour, Chad Howell a écrit dans le message : 379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net... > This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 > drones with oddly shaped wings...... Could be the natural drone ejection by workers that damage the wings, but if the wings are heavily deformed like stumps it's a sign of severe varroa infestation. > This purticular hive has been extreamly strong, probably my strongest. One more reason to check for varroas. >The other oddity is that the past two weeks have been 90 of higher and this same hive has had alot of bees hanging out on the entrance.... Usual when temperature is high >No signs of mites either. Check carefully. How are you testing ? Bees may be RESISTANT to Fluvalinate Apistan. > Chad apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 03:13:53 GMT References: <379ED5C6.432@earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728231353.25204.00003343@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19871 >ain't July bugs? What bout next week which will be Aug, will they still >be June bugs? > >Don naw they's june bugs alright, dang buggers is gettin ta be a pain. Maybe i'll put me up a sign tellin em what month it is. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 03:24:32 GMT References: <379E6DAA.3EEA@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728232432.25204.00003350@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19872 >How 'bout suckin'em up with a bee vac??? > >AL Oh yeah that'd work but it takes all the fun outa bettin how many pieces the thing will seperate into after ya hit it ! Hell we used ta have parties centered round bumble bee whackin, they ruin a barn shelter somethin terrible so ya just git a bunch a folks together an some badmiten whackers and go at it till ya drop. One fella tosses up a little pebble to lure im in and ta other sends him sailing bout warp 10. It uz one a them cultured thangs ta do round ya more up an coming tobacco barns. We had one ol boy who got sa good he could hit em with a tobacco stick. Now lemmie tell ya that uz talent !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From klam@inforamp.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:56:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.190 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933220564 137.186.224.190 (Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:56:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:56:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19873 Funny thing we used to something like it in England when I was a kid, only we used to use wasps, could get sorta interesting! -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-2707992053000001@pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net... > From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Jul 30 05:39:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cotton/bees/pesticides Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 04:44:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729004432.04000.00003815@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19874 Cotton is now in bloom. If you are a beekeeper in cotton country, now is the most dangerous time of year for your bees, because they will be working cotton blossoms. Insecticide applications can drop the field bees in the cotton fields. This type of damage is not immediately obvious, but can lead to weak hives and winter losses from bees that are depopulated to the point where they cannot hold heat. Other types of insecticides can be carried back to the hives, causing massive dieoffs at the entrance. These are obvious, and often cause the direct death of the hives. Other times, the hive appears to recover, but the poisoned pollen is just stored underneath fresh pollen, only to be uncovered and eaten in winter, when pollen is in short supply. The only protection bees have from misuse of pesticides is knowledgeable and assertive beekeepers who will educate growers and applicators, and see to it that violators who kill bees, don't get away with it. Check out the newly available resources at: http://www.pollinator.com/cotton/ In a couple days, they will be advertized to cotton growers, applicators and others involved in the industry. Beekeeper comments are solicited. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:21:18 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <379FD6BE.4DD7@midwest.net> References: <379E6DAA.3EEA@midwest.net> <19990728232432.25204.00003350@ng-cr1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19875 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >How 'bout suckin'em up with a bee vac??? > > > >AL > Oh yeah that'd work but it takes all the fun outa bettin how many pieces the > thing will seperate into after ya hit it ! > Hell we used ta have parties centered round bumble bee whackin, they ruin a > barn shelter somethin terrible so ya just git a bunch a folks together an some > badmiten whackers and go at it till ya drop. > One fella tosses up a little pebble to lure im in and ta other sends him > sailing bout warp 10. It uz one a them cultured thangs ta do round ya more up > an coming tobacco barns. We had one ol boy who got sa good he could hit em with > a tobacco stick. > Now lemmie tell ya that uz talent !!! > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Well, that takes home entertainment to a whole new level. Around here things are pretty tame by comparison - just get together over a keg of homebrew and watch the bug zapper. AL From nono@nono.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.79 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933247406 216.98.69.79 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:23:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:23:26 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:23:26 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19876 Peter, Using the Butler cage the queen will be released in about two hours. I real an article which stated that bees retain memory of the old queen for 24 hrs and may kill any new queen intoduced before then. Do yo think it would be best to wait 24 hrs after killing the old queen before intoducing the new one? John In article <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... > > >John wrote in message ... >>I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >-------- > >Best advice is: > >Do it at the right time: > >good flow; >no robbing; >bees not preparing to swarm. > >How: > >find and kill old queen; >introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no food >with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; >place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging brood >where the bees would expect to find a queen. > >Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. > > > > From honeybs@radix.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:54:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19877 "busybee" wrote: >If you choose to start the sugar syrup feeding, you will not be able to sell >your honey as pure honey. Sugar/syrup in honey is called adulterated honey. >--Busybee I'm not sure that sugar syrup can be detected once it has been run through the bee. Is it illegal to sell sell your honey if you have hives near a sugar cane field that has been cut? Greg the beekeep PS I don't think anyone is going to test the little bit of honey this guy gives away from his one hive. // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From nono@nono.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 23 Message-ID: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.64 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933250236 216.98.69.64 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:10:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:10:36 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:10:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19878 So you think you have "June Bug" problems? Hmmmmmmm.......me thinks if you'll wait until fall your problems will be solved. The bees will kick the bugs out! We call'em Drones. ;-) In article <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com says... > >Any a ya'll havin any problems with june bugs this year ? The dang things is >trying to take over my place. They's bout 20 dead june bugs for every hive and >they just dont seem ta learn that if they go in the bees is gonna tote em out ! >Now mind ya i likes tying a string ta a june bug leg just as good as the rest a >ya an watchin him fly round or keepin 5 or six on a leash on my hat but when >they goes ta botherin my bees well , somethin's gotta give ! > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From jmitc1014@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 12:45:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19879 So if Hugh is feeding his bees sugar syrup while the flow is slow to draw comb in his supers, would his honey be considered "adulterated" by sugar syrup? If the bees are taking the syrup and making comb exclusively, then I would guess not. But I find when I feed the bees, they always seem to store a certain amount of what's been fed under cappings. I suppose Kevin Johnson's trick of adding a little food coloring to the syrup might be called for here if one wanted ensure that what was being extracted was truly nectar honey. John From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jul 30 05:39:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Blowers Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 11:51:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729075121.26507.00002618@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19880 Would someone be kind enough to describe the use of a blower in clearing supers. How many bees remain -how long per super- what does the nozzle look like? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From max@gadsden.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Max Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Dadant Electric Extractor / Electric Uncapping Knife Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.140.85.178 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933254611 208.140.85.178 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:23:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:23:31 EDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:22:29 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19881 I used this Dadant WB401 electric extractor only once. It costs $515 new, holds 6 6 1/4 inch or shallower frames, has electronic speed control, stainless steel construction with honey gate. I am asking $375 plus actual shipping expense from NE Alabama. Also have best quatlity electric uncapping knife.....used once.....Cost $78 new. Asking $45 plus shipping. thanks. Max From a@b.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "westxga" Subject: Re: Address Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: edslink1.eds.com/199.228.142.1 References: <19990728222744.20410.00003624@ng-cf1.aol.com> X-TWRN-Tag: 933254741286 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:25:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 933254737 216.200.3.205 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:25:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:25:37 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19882 On 29 Jul 1999 02:27:44 GMT nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) wrote: > I connect to this ng thru aol. Can someone give me the address when connecting > from outside aol? > Thanx, > Jim You need to connect through a news server. Dejanews (URL www.deja.com) is one but they keep changing the format so I prefer Talkway (URL www.talkway.com). -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From rwnelson@cableone.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Blowers Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:48:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <19990729075121.26507.00002618@ng-co1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19883 > Would someone be kind enough to describe the use of a blower in clearing >supers. The best analogy is that to a leaf blower used to clear side walks. Actually, this is what some people use. Otherwise the bee blowers sold are simply a power unit with a fan unit (not unlike squirrel cage only and larger, flat blades). The flexible tubing attached channels the air blast to the nozzle (see below). Best to do when it is otherwise best to work bees, warm weather (not a problem in NE right now), not too late or early in day, etc. Otherwise they are an alternative when fume boards do not work due to lack of sun or temperatures too low (@60-65 degrees F in my experience). I've came up with a fume board method that works under adverse conditions I'll post as new item. They also make a stand to set the supers on in front of the hive with a deflector plate to channel (using this word alot today for some reason) the bees back toward entrance. This is probably not critical unless per chance the queen was in the super being blown. Otherwise when I've used one, I simply place the super on end on top of hive [or one next door that has bee pulled down if that one is too tall :)! ]with me standing at back and top bars of super to back also. The bees are blown forward out the bottom so they are in air at front of hive. Most fly right back to entrance without missing a beat. I have thought of but never tried the exhaust mode of a shop vac. The critical thing here would be the air is passing through the inside of the vac and would be contaminated with what ever you last vacuumed up. Would need an thorough cleaning prior the using. Don't know if you would get enough velocity out of smaller vacs. Start at one sidewall running the nozzle up and down or back and forth parallel to top bars. It seems a faster sweeping motion works better to allow clinging bees to start moving again only to blown out. Move to next inter comb space. You can do a similiar movement across the ends of the super at the ends of the top bars to get any bees betweent the end bars and end of super. Repeat til they're all out. How many bees remain -how long per super- what does the nozzle look >like? Usally no bees remain. Obstacles are open cells of honey which bees will attempt to load up on just like any time you work a hive. While they'e loading up out of these cells they really seem to hang on. A little smoke and persistence with blower will get them moving to blow them out. Inicidentally, judicious use of smoke when removing supers only. I had a friend once who thought he figured a new one out and smoked the bees out of the supers. The cappings honey was unfit for consumption and the extracted had a hint of smoke. Under good conditions, maybe 1-2-3 minutes max. Fully capped supers fastest. Shallow and mediums are a breeze, deeps take a little longer. Even adverse conditions shouldn't take more that 5 minutes or you're going to have angry bees. The nozzle is like a crevice tool on a vac. Opening on end long and narrow. This channels (there I go again) air between the combs. The idea is to get velocity of air and hence the pressure differential to move the bees. Capactiy of your machine, what ever it may be, hose size and nozzle opening with dictate your success. Good luck. From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 14:02:28 GMT References: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19884 >So you think you have "June Bug" problems? Hmmmmmmm.......me thinks if >you'll wait until fall your problems will be solved. The bees will kick >the bugs out! We call'em Drones. ;-) > me thinks i detect a fer'ner round here theys a heck of a difference tween drones and june bugs !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-10.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:47:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> <379F1905.425B@midwest.net> <379F5F7F.686B@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0a X-Server-Date: 29 Jul 1999 07:53:22 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19885 In article <379F5F7F.686B@earthlink.net>, workerbee wrote: > Don't tell kevin that. Hell import some and hook eu to his truck like a > team of clidesdales to save gas. LMAO!!!!!!! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-78.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:16:11 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.4e X-Server-Date: 29 Jul 1999 14:21:39 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19886 In article <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > me thinks i detect a fer'ner round here > theys a heck of a difference tween drones and june bugs !! > I wonder if a drone would work at the end of a piece of string... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From shuston@riverace.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:27:26 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 34 Message-ID: <37A064CE.8F8BA92F@riverace.com> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: +Qa/FO0fmmF93tHKX4Ki/ZZfhs56YkXU7dkn3if6He0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 14:27:28 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19887 > Hobbyist, 1 hive. Real hot and dry for the last 6 weeks, little or no > rain. I have open water out in pie plates and a bird bath. I see bees > drinking > > Lots of bees, plenty of brood but they're not drawing out comb on the > new foundation. > > Some people have suggested feeding sugar syrup. Modulo the comments about adulterating honey you may want to extract, it's probably a good idea. Especially if your hive doesn't look strong enough to make it through the winter as-is, or you have a lot of foundation to draw before then. Watch the bees in mid-morning to see what they're bringing back - if there's no pollen, you may want to consider leaving out some pollen substitute as well. Around here, they're bringing in pollen. You didn't say where you are, but here in Northeast US, it's been hot and dry as well - I am feeding one hive which is relatively weak from earlier season disease, and I won't get honey from anyway. > Will a feeder in the hive entrance make it too hard for them to cool > the hive? At the end of the day, the hive entrance and the top of the > hive (cover ajar for ventilation) is crowded with fanning bees. If it's not obstructing "a lot" of the entrance, it's probably ok. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Jul 30 05:39:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Blowers Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 15:15:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729111513.18403.00002840@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19888 Thanks what I have is a Fradan backpack blower and duct taped the shop vac hose with crevice tool it seems there were a lot of bees left in the super when I was done-no problem with velocity though. I will try to sweep back and forth to see if that helps. If not I will go back to brushing or use a combination of the two. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Shrinking Bees Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a06f16.6073588@news.cidial.com> References: <7ng119$b3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990725185445.10186.00001766@ng-ff1.aol.com> <379BA42E.CFE@midwest.net> <379BAF96.6CD5@earthlink.net> <7nipgl$qa1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:14:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.58 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933261514 38.11.203.58 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:18:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:18:34 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19889 Ian the Welsh beekeeper talked about his visit to the Lusby's of Tucson: >I visited the Lusbys of Tucson, Arizona last Christmas Do the Lusby's have an e-mail address Ian? Charles Kroeger - All great things stand in peril. Plato From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Treatment Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a17375.7193468@news.cidial.com> References: <7na633$ajp$1@calais.pt.lu> <7njfko$ffd$3@front1.grolier.fr> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:34:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.58 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933262697 38.11.203.58 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:38:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:38:17 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19890 Gilles Rassel in France said: >Bonjour, >Here in France, Hello, Gilles, is Steve Tabor still living over there? I don't get the ABJ where he used to (or still does) write a feature. I think it's a good idea to add your planetary coordinates to your post, I'll do it too. 34.94N X 101.69W. (Texas Panhandle) C.K. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey from hobbyist's hives Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 15:54:14 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990729115414.13703.00002083@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19891 I was wondering typically what a hobbyist would do with all the honey you might get from running 2 or more hives. You may have several hundred lbs in honey with the same amount coming the next year.. Do you sell it or give it to friends and relatives etc. Could you harvest wax, pollen, etc to reduce the amount of honey. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: y2k effect on beekeeping Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 15:54:25 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19892 Is there any y2k consequences to beekeeping. I could see that honey and bee pollen would be excellent to stock up on. Honey because it is healthful , naturally preserved and good tasting. Bee pollen because it has I read all the ingredients to sustain life. Could there be any y2k effect to the extraction and processing of honey. Al From rwnelson@cableone.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fume boards Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:45:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19893 Last year a neighboring beekeeper told me of a slick method associated with fume boards. Typically fume boards from the suppliers are a piece of tin (16 1/4 X 19 7/8 hive dimensions) and piece of absorbant cloth or pad of same dimensions nailed to 1X2 or 1X3 rim to provide air space between top bars and pad and prevent chemical on pad from contacting top bars and contaminating honey. My first experience with these was a disaster and after going to a neighboring beekeeper for advice I found you have to off set this on top of hive at an angle to facilitate air flow. For 2 reasons. One, to keep from exposing bees to too strong of fumes and getting them "drunk" and two, to move the fumes through super and down into hive. I then came across using a fume board without the tin of top. It's purpose is to absorb sun light (should be painted black) and the heat produce the fumes. Bee Go is plenty volitale it seems without this. The old carbolic acid may have been a different story, I don't know, I'm not that old. Anyway, all I used was a piece of burlap (hive dimensions) fastened to the rim with cleats. When putting the Bee Go on some drips through, so don't have it on top of open hive or you'll contaminate honey. These require less Bee Go and more frequent dousing, maybe even twice per hive. I found these to work in marginal conditions over the ones with tin on top. Enter the gem of it all. A candy board (version of fume board mentioned above without absorbant pad and plywood or masonite instead of tin. These are used for pouring a heated sugar slurry into and letting harden for emergency feeding of bees in winter time. Get a 6 inch stove pipe elbow. On the crimped end, draw a circle in the center on top of the candy board. Cut on inside of line so the crimped end will fit snugly inside hole. Use this on top of the open topped fume board above. Simply face the open end of the stove pipe into whatever breeze or wind is present. If you're a hobbyist, all you need is one. They work fast. Pulling a yard of say 20-30 colonies I used to use 6 or 8 fume boards. 2 or 3 of these will keep you and a helper busy with bee free supers. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: two to two hundred Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 15:54:29 GMT References: Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990729115429.13703.00002085@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19894 "Hugh Tait" writes: >He is infering that some people live their lives watching others getting the >experience second hand, as opposed to do and actually experiencing it >yourself. > >I do this quite often when I read books about exploring in the 1800-1900's > >hugh >> Technically and legally you are considered a beekeeper if you own beekeeping equipment (even without bees) in some locales. This may have something to do with disease control and legal liability in the case of abuse. Also the learning code is quit steep in this field and preliminary planning and information gathering should pay off. If that makes you a what they call vicarious beekeeper then so be it. Al From circuit@REMOVETHIS.bigfoot.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!not-for-mail From: "Larry Williard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite trap Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:02:17 -0500 Organization: Virtual Interactive Center (http://news.vic.com) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7nq2mn$ij3$1@news.vic.com> References: <7nlbpq$qdu$1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19895 Ok can someone suggest a web page with some information? Thank you Larry Williard wrote in message <7nlbpq$qdu$1@news.vic.com>... >Can someone tell me how to make a Varrora mite trap? > >Thanks > > > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 30 05:39:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:05:42 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933268955 nnrp-02:8634 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19896 In article , Hugh Tait writes >Had a girlfriend who was like that once. Only once?? -- Tom From Bob@nomail.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Luke Stuart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey from hobbyist's hives Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:48:26 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7nq3sg$14n$1@nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <19990729115414.13703.00002083@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-103-virgin7.tch.virgin.net X-Trace: nclient11-gui.server.virgin.net 933270224 1175 212.250.36.103 (29 Jul 1999 17:43:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 17:43:44 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19897 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990729115414.13703.00002083@ngol03.aol.com>... >I was wondering typically what a hobbyist would do with all the honey you might >get from running 2 or more hives. You may have several hundred lbs in honey >with the same amount coming the next year.. Do you sell it or give it to >friends and relatives etc. Could you harvest wax, pollen, etc to reduce the >amount of honey. >Al You should make some mead, for those winter evenings ! You can use up quite alot of honey that way! From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Blowers Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:10:28 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7nq5ih$suo$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990729075121.26507.00002618@ng-co1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.82 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 933271953 29656 12.72.42.82 (29 Jul 1999 18:12:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:12:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19898 Yes, I use a small 5 gal shop vac in exhaust mode. To avoid the contamination you describe, the motor unit is removed from the container and used without a filter/bag so only fresh air is blown. Of course you need to make sure the hose is clean. Since it is pretty useless as a vac, I only use it as a blower so I don't need to worry about what I vacuumed up last. I tip the supers on end with the top bars facing me and can clear a capped medium in about 30 seconds. Only drawback is that a shop vac requires electricity which may not always be close at hand. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Bob Nelson wrote in message news:rq0m8p$0$37nspbj$n2p@corp.supernews.com... > I have thought of but never tried the exhaust mode of a shop vac. The > critical thing here would be the air is passing through the inside of the > vac and would be contaminated with what ever you last vacuumed up. Would > need an thorough cleaning prior the using. Don't know if you would get > enough velocity out of smaller vacs. From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990729075121.26507.00002618@ng-co1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee Blowers Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:40:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933273652 24.65.132.209 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:40:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:40:52 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19899 We use a blower when when we take honey off.. maybe Allen can help us out he has a lot more experience. I will tell you of some of our limited experience. We use a tip up method. We go out in evening during flow and take super off and tip on the side on the ground, Come back next morning/day and blow out. Most are gone unless the queen or brood is in the box. Then we blow them out. We use a 500 cc leaf blower with a long pool vacuum hose attached ( about15 feet) to give us flexibility and to keep the bees out of the intakes of the unit. It is a backpac unit but we always leave it on the ground. Our italians can hang on quite hard though, I suspect on some wings would come off before they let go of the comb. The trick we found is to do a quick general blow of the box, and to quickly change the direction of the wind/nozzel opening and that unbalences them. There is more to it than I said but, other may contribute more. Overall I noticed three points. do it while the flow is on ( tip up supers) make sure the blower has enough power creates enough wind Distance the blower from where the bees are being blown ( otherwise they get sucked into the intakes) ( vacuum hose, pool hose, etc) We like this method a lot, it is clean and effective. hugh \Boschman Hughes Apiaries > Would someone be kind enough to describe the use of a blower in clearing > supers. How many bees remain -how long per super- what does the nozzle look > > From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <3m1o3.1566$05.12805@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:48:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933274111 24.65.132.209 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:48:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:48:31 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19900 Go ahead, if you are not going to harvest. It sound like you will not though, the bees will use the syrup to build comb, You can keep the super and feed it back to them if they manage to draw comb and store it. Heat I am unfamiliar with, we are in canada. Would like some though, I hear it is nice. Someone else from you area might help with advise re how to feed it to them. We have a 1 inch hole cut in the top of the cover and place either a pastic pail / or jar with little holes and the bees feed of that. This leaves the upper entrance and the bottom free and clear for ventalation. I do not know how it works with heat, but up here it sometimes act as a cooler on cool nites and makes it harder for the bees to keep the hive warm. for what it is worth hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries Bopvito wrote in message news:8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com... > Hobbyist, 1 hive. Real hot and dry for the last 6 weeks, little or no > rain. I have open water out in pie plates and a bird bath. I see bees > drinking > > Lots of bees, plenty of brood but they're not drawing out comb on the > new foundation. > > Some people have suggested feeding sugar syrup. > > Will a feeder in the hive entrance make it too hard for them to cool > the hive? At the end of the day, the hive entrance and the top of the > hive (cover ajar for ventilation) is crowded with fanning bees. > > Thanks very much to the very helpful answers to my previous questions. > The tone of this discussion is very fine. > > -Eliot and EDO > -- > Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com > Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). > From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990727224318.24001.00000691@ng-fm1.aol.com> Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:50:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933274230 24.65.132.209 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:50:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:50:30 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19901 Very cool John. I am glad I did not think of it when I was ten. Sort of a tiny tethered Pit Bull. hugh John wrote in message news:ohQn3.241$AA4.625081@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net... > Funny thing we used to something like it in England when I was a kid, only > we used to use wasps, could get sorta interesting! > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > > Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message > news:HiStretch-2707992053000001@pool-207-205-214-98.dnvr.grid.net... > > > > From h.tait@home.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:12:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933275526 24.65.132.209 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:12:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:12:06 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19902 In Canada, if I feed these nukes as much as they will take, I will be lucky to get them through the winter as they require a lot of feed. We have best results overwintering with three boxes so far. Plus it is not uncommon to have snowfall that stays as early as sept. No honey should or will be extracted from these hives, right now they are a burden to society, we are just trying to get them on their feet, and they will not be asked to pay taxes until next year. Hives that we are going to harvest from, are not fed until after harvest if they require the additional weight. We try to leave honey for them, but we always like to take most of the canola honey off and replace with feed as they do not do as well on it as opposed to other honeys or sugar syrup. I talk too much. To answer the question, I do no think any of these fed hives would have honey acceptable for any use but feed for bees. Kevins idea of colouring is the best new trick I have heard this year and I will be trying it next spring. What kind of couloring agent are we talking about, so I dont screw up. Food Coloring? hugh Boschman Hughes Apiaries JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com... > So if Hugh is feeding his bees sugar syrup while the flow is slow to draw comb > in his supers, would his honey be considered "adulterated" by sugar syrup? > If the bees are taking the syrup and making comb exclusively, then I would > guess not. But I find when I feed the bees, they always seem to store a certain > amount of what's been fed under cappings. > I suppose Kevin Johnson's trick of adding a little food coloring to the syrup > might be called for here if one wanted ensure that what was being extracted was > truly nectar honey. > John From rriedy@cts.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.he.net!mercury.cts.com!nusku.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Riedy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax beads Date: 29 Jul 1999 19:28:42 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bed9f8$6e5c1d80$74c7d8cc@SAIC.saic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: psc10199116.cts.com X-Trace: nusku.cts.com 933276522 9417 204.216.199.116 (29 Jul 1999 19:28:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nusku.cts.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 19:28:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19903 Does anyone know what equipment is used to make the beeswax beads that are sold at crafts stores and a few places online? Thanks in advance. From hensler@povn.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37A0B312.1E86@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee References: <379E6DAA.3EEA@midwest.net> <19990728232432.25204.00003350@ng-cr1.aol.com> <379FD6BE.4DD7@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:01:22 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.76 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 933278431 206.107.251.76 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:00:31 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:00:31 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19904 AL wrote: > Well, that takes home entertainment to a whole new level. Around here > things are pretty tame by comparison - just get together over a keg of > homebrew and watch the bug zapper. Hey Big AL; What - don't you have any bats to watch??? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 29 Jul 1999 20:55:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990729165520.27043.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19905 >. What kind of couloring agent are we talking >about, so I dont screw up. Food Coloring? yep, I use dark green food coloring, shows up like a flag in the combs ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ttgme@megalink.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-central.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.megalink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37A0C5C3.524A12A3@megalink.net> From: ttgme@megalink.net Organization: The H.L. Turner Group In.c X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey from hobbyist's hives References: <19990729115414.13703.00002083@ngol03.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:21:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.148.250.228 X-Trace: ns1.megalink.net 933283509 208.148.250.228 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:25:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:25:09 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19906 Jajwuth wrote: > I was wondering typically what a hobbyist would do with all the honey you might > get from running 2 or more hives. You may have several hundred lbs in honey > with the same amount coming the next year.. Do you sell it or give it to > friends and relatives etc. Could you harvest wax, pollen, etc to reduce the > amount of honey. > Al Typically, here in the Maine, I have found that I need to either build a honey house for processing the honey or at least get my home kitchen inspected by the local Dept. of Human Services in order to get clearance to sell my honey. Check your locale. You may also need to get a seller's license or tax I.D. number before being able to sell your honey. Starting your own home based honey business could be a great way to help offset the costs of more equipment or additional beehives that you may want, but you have to do a little homework to make sure that you comply with your local "Home Food Preparation" Laws and, of course, make sure that you pay your taxes !! If this is too much of a hassle, you'd better start giving away lots of honey or, starting eating it like crazy !! Good Luck !! From allend@internode.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Strange sound from the bees Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:51:55 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 8 Message-ID: <000d01bed9da$4887a660$02000003@allend> References: <7nippa$qft$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7nippa$qft$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19907 > >What you are hearing is called "Piping" It is a sound that queens make. Go to http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/queens.htm and you can hear it anytime you like. allen From allend@internode.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Shrinking Bees Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:12:09 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <000c01bed9d4$ba05f7c0$02000003@allend> References: <7nipgl$qa1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7nipgl$qa1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19908 > ...I found their commitment impressive, they > still have bees despite varroa, tracheal mites and africanisation using no > chemicals but having reduced the cell size through making new foundation in > their own mill and re-framing all colonies - a huge amount of work. Their > perseverance deserves success and I am following their progress this year > with interest. This *may* be the answer, but these things are hard to determine. There are so many factors that can be involved, such as environment, strain of bee, strain of mite, etc. etc. etc. A good analogy is the caterpillar problem that we see in the north. Some years they strip the trees bare and make the roads greasy with their crushed bodies, and the next we hardly see one. We found varroa last year in 3,000 hives and rushed to treat (once with Apistan). Six months later, extensive sampling does not turn up even one mite. Does that mean Apistan killed them all? I don't think so. Everything has its rhythms and sometimes factors combine to reduce populations. Unless one is very careful, one can ascribe the natural decline of the pest to one's own efforts, rather than good luck. That is why we hear people praising worhless 'cures' for many things, including mites. Coincidence is different from cause. In this case, I think the jury is still out. allen From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:59:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7nqmbt$bga$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 29 22:59:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19909 Hi, Alan, I agree with Stretch. Sounds much too serious to take chances with. Better luck next time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------- > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. I expected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > > Alan. > > I could send a picture of the suspected comb? > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:58:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7nqmad$bg5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 29 22:58:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19910 Hi, Alan, I agree with Stretch. Sounds much too serious to take chances with. Better luck next time. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------- > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along > with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place > with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > > Alan. > > I could send a picture of the suspected comb? > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Deformed wings Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:06:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7nqmpp$bsl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379D1762.ADB246E8@netnitco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 29 23:06:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19911 Hi, Chad. July seems pretty early for a fall ejection of drones. I strongly suspect Varroa. Try the Ether Roll and/or open some drone brood cells and look on the white pupae for mites.' Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------------- > This weekend I was out watching two of my hives and noticed about 20 > drones with oddly shaped wings scattered anywhere from 1 to 10 feet in > front of this one hive. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Bop_Vito@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bopvito" Subject: Another hot weather question: Bees and rain Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: phila-ts1-181.p3.net/209.107.29.181 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <%L6o3.8972$J5.99479@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:57:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 933296251 216.200.3.202 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:57:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:57:31 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19912 Hobbyist, 1 hive. In Philadelphia. Real hot and dry for the last 6 weeks, little or no rain. I have open water out in pie plates and a bird bath. I see bees drinking At the end of the day, the hive entrance and the top of the hive (cover ajar for ventilation) is crowded with fanning bees. I have the cover of the hive propped open for ventilation. It's not going to rain heavily without plenty of warning but there have been little showers here and there, now and again without much warning. How diligent do I have to be about closing the hive for a small and short rain shower? Will a little water into the hive hurt the colony? The top is just ajar a bit. It doesn't seem like much water would be able to get in but is a little water already too much? -Eliot and EDO -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From Bop_Vito@yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bopvito" Subject: Re: honey from hobbyist's hives Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: phila-ts1-181.p3.net/209.107.29.181 References: <19990729115414.13703.00002083@ngol03.aol.com> <37A0C5C3.524A12A3@megalink.net> Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:06:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 933296792 216.200.3.202 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:06:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:06:32 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19913 > Jajwuth wrote: > > > I was wondering typically what a hobbyist would do with all the honey you might > > get from running 2 or more hives. You may have several hundred lbs in honey > > with the same amount coming the next year.. Do you sell it or give it to > > friends and relatives etc. Could you harvest wax, pollen, etc to reduce the > > amount of honey. > > Al A lot of it in comb went onto tables at our wedding as part of centerpeices we made with things we grew. (Man, that's nauseatingly cute to see it in print, even though it was a good idea). The rest has been great presents. One hive's worth of honey is not a problem to distribute to people who are properly appreciative. -eliot and EDO -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From pakdad@mindspring.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:08:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7nqfqi$3nl$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.2f.bd X-Server-Date: 29 Jul 1999 21:07:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19914 The main concern here would be that the bees bios is not upgradable, therefore rendering them useless when the clock turns over 2000. You can check this by taking the entire hive to the local vet to let him have a look, but don't let him over charge you! From lithar@midwest.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bumble,honey bee Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:56:21 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37A10645.4CBE@midwest.net> References: <379E6DAA.3EEA@midwest.net> <19990728232432.25204.00003350@ng-cr1.aol.com> <379FD6BE.4DD7@midwest.net> <37A0B312.1E86@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19915 J. F Hensler wrote: > > AL wrote: > > > Well, that takes home entertainment to a whole new level. Around here > > things are pretty tame by comparison - just get together over a keg of > > homebrew and watch the bug zapper. > > Hey Big AL; > > What - don't you have any bats to watch??? > > Skip Hmmm, dunno - anyway, they'd require too much eye coordination and if you ever try *my* homebrew you'll understand why that could be a problem. The bug zapper, on the other hand, can be appreciated even in a near zombie state - matter'ofact it kinda enhances the effect. Are we approaching the need to prefix the subject line with OT ? AL From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.132.27.155!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Canola Honey Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:25:26 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7nr292$1huu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-31.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933301346 51166 209.130.165.31 (30 Jul 1999 02:22:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 02:22:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19916 Hello Hugh - I heard/read that canola honey crystalizes fast sometimes before you even have a chance to extract it...what are your experiences with handling canola? TIA- Busybee Hugh Tait wrote in message ... >In Canada, if I feed these nukes as much as they will take, I will be lucky >to get them through the winter as they require a lot of feed. We have best >results overwintering with three boxes so far. Plus it is not uncommon to >have snowfall that stays as early as sept. > >No honey should or will be extracted from these hives, right now they are a >burden to society, we are just trying to get them on their feet, and they >will not be asked to pay taxes until next year. > >Hives that we are going to harvest from, are not fed until after harvest if >they require the additional weight. We try to leave honey for them, but we >always like to take most of the canola honey off and replace with feed as >they do not do as well on it as opposed to other honeys or sugar syrup. > >I talk too much. To answer the question, I do no think any of these fed >hives would have honey acceptable for any use but feed for bees. > >Kevins idea of colouring is the best new trick I have heard this year and I >will be trying it next spring. What kind of couloring agent are we talking >about, so I dont screw up. Food Coloring? > >hugh >Boschman Hughes Apiaries > > > >JMitc1014 wrote in message >news:19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com... >> So if Hugh is feeding his bees sugar syrup while the flow is slow to draw >comb >> in his supers, would his honey be considered "adulterated" by sugar syrup? >> If the bees are taking the syrup and making comb exclusively, then I would >> guess not. But I find when I feed the bees, they always seem to store a >certain >> amount of what's been fed under cappings. >> I suppose Kevin Johnson's trick of adding a little food coloring to the >syrup >> might be called for here if one wanted ensure that what was being >extracted was >> truly nectar honey. >> John > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!216.17.128.8!newsfeed.frii.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:34:42 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 56 Message-ID: <37A10F42.BB3E1458@valley.net> References: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-105.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19917 Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > In article <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com>, > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > me thinks i detect a fer'ner round here > > theys a heck of a difference tween drones and june bugs !! > > > > I wonder if a drone would work at the end of a piece of string... > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com ok, i'll tell my little story that relates, somewhat to this thread. when i was a kid, about 10 or so, my parents bought me 'the young people's science encyclopedia', which was full of diy science projects. probably couldn't be sold today, due to the risk of lawsuits from johnny making a baking soda volcano, but i loved it back then. anyway, one of the neatest experiments involved demonstrating the theory of lift as it relates to airplanes. basically, you built a very small glider out of balsa wood wings with a toothpick body. if i remember correctly it was about an inch long with maybe a 2 inch wingspan. then, you caught a big, fat bluebottle fly, put it in a jar and put the jar in the fridge for 15 minutes to immobilize the fly. fly was then removed from the jar and a drop of crazy glue was placed on the bottom of its abdomen, which was then placed against the top front of the glider and held in place for 30 seconds or so. once the fly revived, it would eventually take off. the weight of the glider was a new variable in its flight formula and it would usually tire before making it across the room, which caused it to glide for a short distance [first flights usually went from counter to floor]. the fly quickly learned to utilize this new flight feature and would flit about the room in alternating periods of powered flight and glide, making little half loop-de-loops in the process. it worked great, and the flies even would eventually learn to make soft landings. i wanted to try and make a much larger glider and glue 4 flies to the wings, sort of like a b-52 bomber, just to see if they could figure out how to all fly in unison, but i never tried it. drones are much larger than bluebottles. i'll bet they would make great pilots. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:34:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 30 04:34:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19918 To Any and All -- Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster or similar battery powered vac? I have not, but am planning to do so when time permits. If you folks have already done it, it may save me some time. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Jul 30 05:39:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, wild bees Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:41:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7nradp$oq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7HLn3.138$AA4.449854@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 30 04:41:30 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19919 Hi, John -- Sounds like you have found a nest of bumble bees. They too are valuable as pollinators, but there is not a lot you can do to help them survive. Could you capture one and take to a beekeeper or the County Agent? Let us know what you find out. Pete -------------------------------------- > Without knowing it I have been acting as a host to a nest/hive of wild bees. > they were nesting in a pile of dry leaves and garden waste, the pile was > accidentally set on fire (some idiot with a cigarette). In putting the fire > out I had to break the pile up, this has left the brood without a home, they > don't seem to have made a honeycomb, but they do have lots of pupa cells. > I don't want to destroy the nest, anymore than already done, how can I move > them without getting myself stung to "death", and giving them the best > chance of survival. > > So far I have put the cells I could find into a upturned plastic bucket with > a smallish hole at the rim. I know that there is a queen around somewhere, > but she is not with the cells. > If I can find her,should I move her into the bucket. where would the best > place be for them. > > should I leave them to it, or is there something else I should do > > help > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees not drawing out new comb Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:01:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 933267445 209.69.69.113 (Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:57:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:57:25 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19920 Feed diluted honey- then any added to the comb is honey, not syrup. Ellen JMitc1014 wrote in message news:19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com... > So if Hugh is feeding his bees sugar syrup while the flow is slow to draw comb > in his supers, would his honey be considered "adulterated" by sugar syrup? > If the bees are taking the syrup and making comb exclusively, then I would > guess not. But I find when I feed the bees, they always seem to store a certain > amount of what's been fed under cappings. > I suppose Kevin Johnson's trick of adding a little food coloring to the syrup > might be called for here if one wanted ensure that what was being extracted was > truly nectar honey. > John From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-168.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:33:11 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> <37A10F42.BB3E1458@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.a8 X-Server-Date: 30 Jul 1999 04:36:36 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19921 In article <37A10F42.BB3E1458@valley.net>, Bill Greenrose wrote: > ok, i'll tell my little story that relates, somewhat to this thread. > when i was a kid, about 10 or so, my parents bought me 'the young > people's science encyclopedia', which was full of diy science projects. > probably couldn't be sold today, due to the risk of lawsuits from johnny > making a baking soda volcano, but i loved it back then. anyway, one of > the neatest experiments involved demonstrating the theory of lift as it > relates to airplanes. basically, you built a very small glider out of > balsa wood wings with a toothpick body. if i remember correctly it was > about an inch long with maybe a 2 inch wingspan. then, you caught a > big, fat bluebottle fly, put it in a jar and put the jar in the fridge > for 15 minutes to immobilize the fly. fly was then removed from the jar > and a drop of crazy glue was placed on the bottom of its abdomen, which > was then placed against the top front of the glider and held in place > for 30 seconds or so. once the fly revived, it would eventually take > off. the weight of the glider was a new variable in its flight formula > and it would usually tire before making it across the room, which caused > it to glide for a short distance [first flights usually went from > counter to floor]. the fly quickly learned to utilize this new flight > feature and would flit about the room in alternating periods of powered > flight and glide, making little half loop-de-loops in the process. it > worked great, and the flies even would eventually learn to make soft > landings. i wanted to try and make a much larger glider and glue 4 > flies to the wings, sort of like a b-52 bomber, just to see if they > could figure out how to all fly in unison, but i never tried it. > > drones are much larger than bluebottles. i'll bet they would make great > pilots. This is GREAT! I'm saving this post and giving it a try! It probably couldn't be published now also because of "ethical" questions about the treatment of the fly! LOL! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From steven.turner@zbee.com Fri Jul 30 05:39:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: National Honey Show Message-ID: <933316088@zbee.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:28:08 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 933316280 170 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19922 The 68th National Honey Show in London this November has now published the full programme of events and schedule of classes. To view all the latest information about the National visit: http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/nhs/ STEVEN TURNER Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!nntp.primenet.com.MISMATCH!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:23:42 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-42.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933333646 15988 209.130.165.42 (30 Jul 1999 11:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:20:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19923 In response to your sugar syrup detection--yes it is detectable! Syrup is syrup. Re: "honey" from a sugar cane field--I wouldn't want to chance it! --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net>... >"busybee" wrote: > >>If you choose to start the sugar syrup feeding, you will not be able to sell >>your honey as pure honey. Sugar/syrup in honey is called adulterated honey. > >>--Busybee > >I'm not sure that sugar syrup can be detected once it has >been run through the bee. Is it illegal to sell sell your >honey if you have hives near a sugar cane field that has >been cut? > >Greg the beekeep > >PS I don't think anyone is going to test the little bit of >honey this guy gives away from his one hive. > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:37:56 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-54.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933334601 23176 62.136.43.182 (30 Jul 1999 11:36:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:36:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19924 Not in my experience - best to introduce immediately. This may be because the bees will start to make preparations to rear a new queen after 24hrs and will therefore not be expecting a mated, laying queen. John wrote in message ... >Peter, > Using the Butler cage the queen will be released in about two >hours. I real an article which stated that bees retain memory of the >old queen for 24 hrs and may kill any new queen intoduced before then. >Do yo think it would be best to wait 24 hrs after killing the old queen >before intoducing the new one? > >John > >In article <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, >edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... >> >> >>John wrote in message ... >>>I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >>-------- >> >>Best advice is: >> >>Do it at the right time: >> >>good flow; >>no robbing; >>bees not preparing to swarm. >> >>How: >> >>find and kill old queen; >>introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no >food >>with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; >>place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging >brood >>where the bees would expect to find a queen. >> >>Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. >> >> >> >> > From mvl_tanne@sals.edu Sun Aug 1 05:55:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.alt.net!netheaven.com!usenet From: Rebekah Tanner Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.bio,sci.bio.botany,sci.conservation,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,sci.environment Subject: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:06:20 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.152.93 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3659 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22632 sci.agriculture:36057 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19925 sci.agriculture.fruit:2914 sci.agriculture.poultry:13649 sci.bio:2013 sci.bio.botany:10268 sci.bio.ecology:51487 sci.bio.food-science:10384 sci.chem:149809 sci.environment:216859 Please excuse cross-posting, this message is being sent out to a variety of groups to insure that the widest possible audience will be reached. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Newly developed site "Resources for Economic Viability in Sustainable Agriculture" now at http://www.mvla.org/revsa/index.html This site has been created as part of a year-long project of the Mohawk Valley Library Association, Schenectady, New York. 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From uncleal0@hate.spam.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.UVic.CA!not-for-mail From: Uncle Al Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.bio,sci.bio.botany,sci.conservation,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,sci.environment Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:42:13 -0700 Organization: The Noble Krell Lines: 35 Message-ID: <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhmlab.chem.uvic.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA 933345344 154630 142.104.58.58 (30 Jul 1999 14:35:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@UVic.CA NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 14:35:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3660 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22633 sci.agriculture:36058 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19926 sci.agriculture.fruit:2915 sci.agriculture.poultry:13653 sci.bio:2017 sci.bio.botany:10269 sci.bio.ecology:51490 sci.bio.food-science:10385 sci.chem:149811 sci.environment:216864 Rebekah Tanner wrote: > > Please excuse cross-posting, this message is being sent out to a variety > of groups to insure that the widest possible audience will be reached. 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From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: comb on queen excluder Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:02:43 -0600 Organization: Deja Posting Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <000001beda72$aa4184a0$02000003@allend> References: <7nlkf4$48c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7nlkf4$48c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Importance: Normal Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19927 > >Is it normal for the bees to build much comb beneath and in between the > >wires of a metal queen excluder? I just put one in about 2 week ago and, > at recent check, was about 50% covered with burr honeycomb (I scraped > all the wax out). I gather that there must be gaps that they find hard to cross and have built some ladders. Now they will have to put it all back in again. They know what they want and need, and, after all, no matter what you think, it's their house. You can fight them, but then you both lose. They put it there for a purpose. If you think the amount of wax is excessive, then see if they have any foundation or comb needing building near the brood chamber area. If not, then adding some may reduce the amount of burr comb. Bees move wax and propolis around to suit themselves and if you give an excluder that is covered with wax to a colony that does not want it there, they will clean the areas that they feel need cleaning. allen From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:31:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7nsgg2$itu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.33 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 30 15:31:14 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.33 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19928 In article <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Is there any y2k consequences to beekeeping. >Could there be any y2k effect to the extraction > and processing of honey. > Al The bees naturally won't care about our self-created-date-related problem. And honey extraction and processing equipment of the sort used by most hobbyists is not dependent on internal computers. (Someone else will have to comment on the more involved equipment the big-time beekeepers use.) But, IF a problem is to arise, it will be in two areas: 1) ordering and receiving shipments of beekeeping supplies, and 2) marketing and shipping hive products. Both these areas are directly or indirectly dependent on computers. Orders may be temporarily taken care of by hand processing, though it will be less effecient, especially what with our being out of practice. But if electric power goes or the communications grid goes (telephones out, etc., as some prophets predict), shipping will slow to next to nothing, as there will be no way most shipping companies will know when a load is waiting for them and have no way of contacting their own drivers that are out from home base. And without shipping, gasoline supplies will quickly disappear, if only to panic buyers, yes, but it too has to be shipped... But, these problems may never arise. No one knows whether Y2K will amount to a hill of beans. It is ALWAYS sensible for the individual to have more than today's groceries on hand, a modest alternative light/heat supply, and drinking water. But it has rarely or never turned out to be sensible to hoard vast amounts of things against an imminent doomsday. Stay warm and avoid hunger and thirst. Other than that, I guess we'll just ride it out, whatever it turns out to be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 1 05:55:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jul 1999 15:44:08 GMT References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990730114408.18410.00003513@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19929 Adopt an elderly neighbor or two and check on them like you would for a blizzard or a hurricane when the power is out. Y2K? near as I figure as long as an airplane doesn't fall on you-so what. If the internet goes down it will mean more time to build and repair equipment. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From apipop@club-internet.fr Sun Aug 1 05:55:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brood comb honey Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:12:50 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7nsjba$a2r$2@front6.grolier.fr> References: <5Bkn3.1172$x7.23521432@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-125.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front6.grolier.fr 933351594 10331 194.158.120.125 (30 Jul 1999 16:19:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 16:19:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19930 Bonjour, Three years ago I got capped frames with fermenting honey. It was showing bubbles of gas, surely CO². I never found why. Maybe because I harvested late October near vineyards. But I am not sure, since then honey from all hives at same place were again having fermented taste when years before it was very good. I have been obliged to remove all hives from that place. -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ Michel Crichton a écrit dans le message : 5Bkn3.1172$x7.23521432@nr1.ottawa.istar.net... > All the frames were completely capped. Is it possible then that the honey > may have been fermenting in the capped frames before I extracted? I ask > this because the taste of molasses mixed with the sugar give the impression > of a mild beer taste. This "beer" taste could of course simply be my > imagination but the dark honey definitely has a stronger taste. I describe > it as "gamy" now. > > Any thoughts? > > From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:16:59 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7nsmtg$5t8$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> <7nsgg2$itu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.220 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 933355248 6056 12.72.41.220 (30 Jul 1999 17:20:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:20:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19931 Perhaps packers will quote honey prices from 1900. This could be a good thing ;) I am looking forward to selling bulk honey at premium prices to all those survivalists that are dug-in. "Only 10 lbs, better buy one of the 60 lb pails, it makes a good wound dressing". This has been a record year for me in terms of yield per hive and I will need some panic buying to move it all. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pierco and burr - was comb on queen excluder Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:29:23 -0700 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7nsnbr$7c5$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7nlkf4$48c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <000001beda72$aa4184a0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.220 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 933355707 7557 12.72.41.220 (30 Jul 1999 17:28:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 17:28:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19932 Allen, I try not to fight them too. I believe that you use a lot of Pierco frames. Have you found a good way to reduce the ladders between boxes? As I can measure no difference in wood vs. plastic, I have to believe that it is the material. Alternating supers of all wood/all plastic seems to help but I don't have much wood anymore. --- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Allen Dick wrote in message news:000001beda72$aa4184a0$02000003@allend... > > You can fight them, but then you both lose. They put it there for a purpose. From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:14:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7nso4q$344$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19933 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Is there any y2k consequences to beekeeping. I could see that honey and bee >pollen would be excellent to stock up on. Honey because it is healthful , >naturally preserved and good tasting. Bee pollen because it has I read all the >ingredients to sustain life. Could there be any y2k effect to the extraction >and processing of honey. >Al The only "y to k" problem that I can think of is changing the labels to HONEK. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:34:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a3.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19934 "busybee" wrote: >In response to your sugar syrup detection--yes it is detectable! Syrup is >syrup. Re: "honey" from a sugar cane field--I wouldn't want to chance it! >--Busybee Most of the adulterated honey coming in from China was simply honey with corn syrup added. Corn syrup is 55-56% Fructose and 34-36% Dextrose. Corn syrup can be detected because the sugar ring in dextrose is backwards from glucose. I don't think cane sugar syrup (sucrose) that has been feed to bees can be detected since it is split by the bees' enzymes into fructose and glucose the same way nectar is. Nectar contains various amonts of fructose, glucose, and sucrose. Perhaps you can enlighten us on how they detect cane sugar that has been feed to bees? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From h.tait@home.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> <7nr292$1huu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Canola Honey Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:12:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933365543 24.65.132.209 (Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:12:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:12:23 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19935 busybee wrote in message news:7nr292$1huu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Hello Hugh - > > I heard/read that canola honey crystalizes fast sometimes before you even > have a chance to extract it...what are your experiences with handling > canola? > > TIA- > Busybee > Canola honey cristalizes very fast, it will set right in the comb if you wait too long. It will cristalize in the pail like concrete, unless it is warmed up. If it is room temperature it will bend most spoons and will break knives from my experience. But is workable if warmed up. It makes a nice creamed honey if it does not get away on you. 2-3 weeks after it is capped in the hive or not you may be looking at trouble, then it is unuseable except for feeding back to the bees. Bees will often choose other honey before using it, I think they require a fair amount of water to untilize it in crystalized form. If you put it in warm water for a long period of time it will liquify, and stay liquid for a long time 2 months mebe. I am not fond of it, but it is a good honey very white, and hives near it hit 200 lbs often. I suspect though that bees do not overwinter well on it. Maybe because they do not have enough moisture to make it edible? It is the main honey flow up here in Saskatchewan, and probably the reason for our high yeilds. 185 lbs per hive average over 5 years. We try to avoid it except for a couple yards, which is not the norm. We go after other types of honey, get slightly smaller yeilds but try to market up the loss in income. As well although we have seen and heard of no problems with GM crops in regard to bees, canola is the one most often modified up here, and people rightly or wrongly do not trust GM products. So we avoid them when possible. FWIW, our bees do much better in more diversified land, anecdotal evidence for sure, but the bees do better consistently for us. Sometimes if a hive is doing not so well, but still strong enough to justify the effort, we move it >from a canola field to one of our more diversified yards ( biological diversity) and we see a marked improvement in a couple of weeks. Because we avoid canaola for the most part, maybe someone else will have more accurate info on the honey. I know that it does make a lot of beekeepers happy, and whatever other problems that may come with it, are addressed to their satisfaction. dancing in the dark hugh Boschman hughes Apiaries From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a51612.22939165@news.cidial.com> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> <7nsgg2$itu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7nsmtg$5t8$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:20:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.42 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933369918 38.11.203.42 (Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:25:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:25:18 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19936 Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there George then said: >This has been a record year for me in terms of yield per hive and I will >need some panic buying to move it all. Doesn't UPS ship sealed 5 gal pails? (under 70 lbs.) and if so what would you sell a bucket for of that record surplus, George? Charles Kroeger - All great things stand in peril. Plato From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:36:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.42 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933370834 38.11.203.42 (Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:40:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:40:34 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19937 >Al Schwartz who sounded like a maniac and said a lot of crap that I won't bother to copy Al, I have to inform you that you are the spam in sci.agriculture.beekeeping Do the earth a favor and go shoot yourself. Charles Kroeger - There is an Bio-industry backed disinformation campaign against organic. It's most vocal crusader, Dennis Avery, author of "Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic," broadcasts the message that organic food is lethal and environmentally damaging, and that only pesticides and genetic engineering can deliver a safe and abundant food supply. Source: New York Times From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, wild bees Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:50:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7nt766$scb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7HLn3.138$AA4.449854@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net> <7nradp$oq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933371910 29067 62.136.91.160 (30 Jul 1999 21:58:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:58:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19938 Pete wrote in message <7nradp$oq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Hi, John -- >Sounds like you have found a nest of bumble bees. They too are valuable >as pollinators, but there is not a lot you can do to help them survive. > ------------------------------------------------------------ Why not leave them - the nest is annual so you will not have to wait long. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Canola Honey Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:49:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nt764$scb$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990729084548.10181.00003057@ng-ff1.aol.com> <7nr292$1huu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933371908 29067 62.136.91.160 (30 Jul 1999 21:58:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:58:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19939 Hugh Tait wrote in message ... > >busybee wrote in message >news:7nr292$1huu$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... >> Hello Hugh - >> >> I heard/read that canola honey crystalizes fast sometimes before you even >> have a chance to extract it...what are your experiences with handling >> canola? >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We know canola as oil seed rape (or 'rape' usually). The Midlands area is usually covered in it and I can vouch for granulation problems! The best scenario is when cool weather prevents the bees working it until it is well in flower, and then a warm humid spell until it is finished - followed by rapid removal of the crop while it is still liquid. However, most years we find that the bees start to work it and then the weather turns cool - the bees move down during the cold nights and the honey starts to granulate; this then 'seeds' honey coming in afterwards, so you have little chance of extracting easily. Many commercial beekeepers leave the whole crop to set in the comb, leave it till winter and then melt it out; some use just started strips of foundation to make it easier to cut out of the frame. I extract what I can, scraping any granulation out using a hive tool (otherwise the extractor jumps about with the uneven load) and let it melt out in the (heated) uncapping tank. Not a good honey for bees to winter on - the reason is that they suck the water out from between the crystals and the remainder is then rather difficult for them to use without bringing in water. However, it gives a good crop and is excellent for producing set honey - just needs something with it to give some flavour. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb on queen excluder Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:37:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7nt763$scb$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7nlkf4$48c$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <000001beda72$aa4184a0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933371907 29067 62.136.91.160 (30 Jul 1999 21:58:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:58:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19940 Allen Dick wrote in message <000001beda72$aa4184a0$02000003@allend>... >> >Is it normal for the bees to build much comb beneath and in between the >> >wires of a metal queen excluder? I just put one in about 2 week ago and, >> at recent check, was about 50% covered with burr honeycomb (I scraped >> all the wax out). ------------------------------------------------------------------- May be to do with bee space. Wire excluders in the UK often have space both sides so that there is always too much space on one side - so the bees build comb. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:54:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nt767$scb$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933371911 29067 62.136.91.160 (30 Jul 1999 21:58:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:58:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19941 >I'm not sure that sugar syrup can be detected once it has >been run through the bee. Is it illegal to sell sell your >honey if you have hives near a sugar cane field that has >been cut? > >Greg the beekeep ----------------------------------------------------------------- Certainly can be detected. In the UK we have a problem with honey from Borage - it has a very high sucrose content (up to 27%). Packers are rejecting it as it is well outside the EU limit of 5% 'apparent sucrose'. Honey is being tested by Trading Standards Officers on a regular basis. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:56:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7nt768$scb$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933371912 29067 62.136.91.160 (30 Jul 1999 21:58:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 21:58:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19942 >Perhaps you can enlighten us on how they detect cane sugar >that has been feed to bees? > >Greg the beekeep > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amino acid analysis and pollen analysis. From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:10:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7nt9fc$3t8$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7nt768$scb$5@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19943 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >>Perhaps you can enlighten us on how they detect cane sugar >>that has been feed to bees? >> >>Greg the beekeep >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Amino acid analysis and pollen analysis. That will be in there if it is mixed with honey. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:19:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7nt9vs$3t8$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7nt767$scb$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19944 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >>I'm not sure that sugar syrup can be detected once it has >>been run through the bee. Is it illegal to sell sell your >>honey if you have hives near a sugar cane field that has >>been cut? >> >>Greg the beekeep >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Certainly can be detected. >In the UK we have a problem with honey from Borage - it has a very high >sucrose content (up to 27%). Packers are rejecting it as it is well outside >the EU limit of 5% 'apparent sucrose'. >Honey is being tested by Trading Standards Officers on a regular basis. That's if the sugar is added to the honey directly. If Sucrose has been feed to the bees and handled by them as nectar they will break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose by the adding of the enzyme invertase. Honey contains less than 1 % sucrose because the bees break it down to the simple sugars. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pdillon@club-internet.fr Sun Aug 1 05:55:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:36:14 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <37A236EE.D901E3D@club-internet.fr> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chateauroux-3-122.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 933374649 10581 195.36.140.122 (30 Jul 1999 22:44:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 22:44:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19945 Dear all,
If you wish for an insight into the problem of adulterated honey and the allied problems of bee feeding then visit the site of:
http://apiservices.com/apiservices
An excellent dossier on how honey fraud is detected and allied problems with techniques. is to be found in English.
Peter From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:33:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7ntcll$1qf2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7nt767$scb$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nt9vs$3t8$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-22.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933377525 59874 209.130.165.22 (30 Jul 1999 23:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jul 1999 23:32:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19946 Then why are we busting our butts to get our bees to forage on traditional flora...heck, we can feed cheap corn syrup then! NOT! I hope you are labeling your honey (if you practice this method) as "Funny Honey". --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7nt9vs$3t8$2@news1.Radix.Net>... >"Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >>>I'm not sure that sugar syrup can be detected once it has >>>been run through the bee. Is it illegal to sell sell your >>>honey if you have hives near a sugar cane field that has >>>been cut? >>> >>>Greg the beekeep >>----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Certainly can be detected. > >>In the UK we have a problem with honey from Borage - it has a very high >>sucrose content (up to 27%). Packers are rejecting it as it is well outside >>the EU limit of 5% 'apparent sucrose'. > >>Honey is being tested by Trading Standards Officers on a regular basis. > >That's if the sugar is added to the honey directly. If >Sucrose has been feed to the bees and handled by them as >nectar they will break down the sucrose into glucose and >fructose by the adding of the enzyme invertase. Honey >contains less than 1 % sucrose because the bees break it >down to the simple sugars. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:05:39 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37A23DD2.7D9CDD2D@azstarnet.com> References: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19947 Pete wrote: > Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster > or similar battery powered vac? Yes, I redeveloped one model in about 1988, which of course everybody dismissed as "been there, done that". I'll put an image of it on the web(Tucson Bee Lab) when I get back to work - - waiting in line to talk to the neurosurgeon about my disk problem right now. :( The beevac has worked quite well for us over the 90's for sampling up to 200 bees - the main problem is DustBuster model changes. After about a dozen units, we are now up to the ones with removable batteries. I don't know your intended use, but will post a snapshot ASAP. Basically, you tape over the "snout", drill in from the top flat area, and friction-fit a piece of PVC pipe about 6 inches long. Drill holes in a plastic vial, seal into pipe with an O-ring, drill a hole in cap for nalgene tube, and attach a two-foot piece of PVC pipe. As you can tell, many ways to change my design. I can get a reliable 15 minutes running time. John Edwards, Tucson (down, but not out) From edw1@azstarnet.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:24:21 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <37A24234.41A3AC41@azstarnet.com> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19948 Jajwuth wrote: Bee pollen because it has I read all the ingredients to sustain life. Sure, but that's "bee" life. ;-) John Edwards, Tucson, Arizona From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:56:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <7nthha$al6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7ns1qe$fjk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933382506 10918 209.130.165.16 (31 Jul 1999 00:55:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 00:55:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19949 I will quote this passage from the "Hive and the Honeybee" under the heading "Adulteration of Honey" p. 912-13 (rev.1992): "Since this test {the internal isotope ratio test} can indicate small amounts of cane or corn sugars in honey, it is important that care be taken by the beekeeper to avoid including with extracted honey intended for the market any stores from early stimulative feeding of colonies. Simply "passing these sugars through the bee" has no effect on their isotope ratio values, and such honey may be condemned as adulterated when it is only the result of careless beekeeping practice. Sugar-feeding during a honey flow is easily detected by the internal standard isotope ratio test." --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7nsp9e$344$3@news1.Radix.Net>... >"busybee" wrote: > >>In response to your sugar syrup detection--yes it is detectable! Syrup is >>syrup. Re: "honey" from a sugar cane field--I wouldn't want to chance it! > >>--Busybee > >Most of the adulterated honey coming in from China was >simply honey with corn syrup added. Corn syrup is 55-56% >Fructose and 34-36% Dextrose. > >Corn syrup can be detected because the sugar ring in >dextrose is backwards from glucose. I don't think cane >sugar syrup (sucrose) that has been feed to bees can be >detected since it is split by the bees' enzymes into >fructose and glucose the same way nectar is. Nectar >contains various amonts of fructose, glucose, and sucrose. > >Perhaps you can enlighten us on how they detect cane sugar >that has been feed to bees? > >Greg the beekeep > > > > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dang! Don't you hate when that happens! Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:02:32 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <7nths0$k6u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933382848 20702 209.130.165.16 (31 Jul 1999 01:00:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 01:00:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19950 Broke a hive tool today while pulling a plugged out yard! => --Busybee From JDAHLKE@prodigy.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "JAMES A DAHLKE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dang! Don't you hate when that happens! Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:47:39 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7ntkoi$1gdo$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7nths0$k6u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnhrb103-15.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 933385810 2752216 209.252.198.63 (31 Jul 1999 01:50:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 01:50:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19951 do you want some cheese with that whine? jd busybee wrote in message news:7nths0$k6u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Broke a hive tool today while pulling a plugged out yard! => > > --Busybee > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dang! Don't you hate when that happens! Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:14:13 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37A25BF5.BC32791A@valley.net> References: <7nths0$k6u$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-101.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19952 busybee wrote: > Broke a hive tool today while pulling a plugged out yard! => > > --Busybee that's why i carry two tools. well, no, the real reason is that one has a wide head, and is good for prying apart boxes, while the other is narrower and good for scraping top bars, and has a hooked end for prying up frames. well, no, the REAL reason is that i couldn't decide on which style to buy, when i first started, so i bought both and just found the different uses for each over time. now, i can claim another reason. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From mdrbees@aol.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mdrbees@aol.com (MDRbees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Jul 1999 05:44:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19953 Has anyone had any experience introducing a virgin queen to a hive with laying workers. Does it work? I know that installing a nuk with a laying queen is best but want to find out if the virgin queen route will work. Thanks for your input...Mike From h.tait@home.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:34:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933406475 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:34:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:34:35 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19954 Take it easy Mr. Kroeger, he makes me smile. Diversity and adversity is the spice of life. hugh Boschman hughes Apiaries Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com... > >Al Schwartz who sounded like a maniac and said a lot of crap that I won't bother to copy > > Al, I have to inform you that you are the spam in > sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Do the earth a favor and go shoot yourself. > > Charles Kroeger > > - > There is an Bio-industry backed disinformation campaign against organic. > It's most vocal crusader, Dennis Avery, author of "Saving the Planet > with Pesticides and Plastic," broadcasts the message that organic food > is lethal and environmentally damaging, and that only pesticides and > genetic engineering can deliver a safe and abundant food supply. > > Source: New York Times > From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:44:47 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <000101bedb5a$da9e4e60$02000003@allend> References: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6y+ueuBQDiokQhwoo7KfI9q?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19955 > Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster > or similar battery powered vac? The DustBuster is already an ideal bee vacuum. We use it all the time to take a few bees off windows or other places, and have used it in handling nucs for queen rearing. Bees are undamaged by being picked up with it, unless it is full of dust, in which case, they get choked up a bit. The only disadvantage is that a DustBuster is small. I suppose an antechamber could be designed that would hold more bees. Making bee vacuums is a no-brainer. We've used 5 gallon pails with some mesh and piping with shop vacs and other vacs over the years and FWIW, I had a design published in the now defunct Canadian Bee Journal 25 years ago using a super for the catch chamber. When full, it could just be placed on a hive for the bees to go down. The main thing is to not suffoctae the bees after they are in the chamber and not to smash them on the way in with too much air velocity or sudden bends in the path. A soft pad at the point of impact helps. Actually, a normal shop vac can work if the air flow is throttled back a bit using a crevice tool, and maybe a bit of air bypass, and the little hook on the that deflects dust from hitting the filter at the entry point of the hose into the can is removed. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From klam@inforamp.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7HLn3.138$AA4.449854@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net> <7nradp$oq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7nt766$scb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Help, wild bees Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:09:56 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.205 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933437398 137.186.224.205 (Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:09:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:09:58 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19956 I'd like to, but they wound up right in the main pathway to the backyard, next to all the utility meters etc. If they are seasonal, how do they over winter, I am in southwest Ontario, Canada. And thanks everyone for they help and advice. John A Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7nt766$scb$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:45:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7nulni$hcq$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7nt767$scb$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nt9vs$3t8$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7ntcll$1qf2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19957 "busybee" wrote: >Then why are we busting our butts to get our bees to forage on traditional >flora...heck, we can feed cheap corn syrup then! >NOT! I hope you are labeling your honey (if you practice this method) as >"Funny Honey". >--Busybee Hey sweety, don't get your stinger in an uproar! I was simply asking how as I didn't know. To put your mind at ease I don't waste my time fooling with honey! My specialty is shipping bees year round for medicine. With each hive yeilding $1000 in bees per year why would I bother. The isotope test makes sense to me. Thanks. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hot weather bee feeding? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:52:09 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7nunra$161g$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <8oNn3.8161$J5.91745@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <7nod9l$1hv8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7npdfu$573$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7nt767$scb$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nt9vs$3t8$2@news1.Radix.Net> <7ntcll$1qf2$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7nulni$hcq$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-27.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933421738 38960 209.130.165.27 (31 Jul 1999 11:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 11:48:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19958 honeybs wrote in message <7nulni$hcq$1@news1.Radix.Net>... >"busybee" wrote: > >>Then why are we busting our butts to get our bees to forage on traditional >>flora...heck, we can feed cheap corn syrup then! >>NOT! I hope you are labeling your honey (if you practice this method) as >>"Funny Honey". > >>--Busybee > >Hey sweety, don't get your stinger in an uproar! I was >simply asking how as I didn't know. To put your mind at >ease I don't waste my time fooling with honey! My specialty >is shipping bees year round for medicine. With each hive >yeilding $1000 in bees per year why would I bother. > >The isotope test makes sense to me. Thanks. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > Your first post did not indicate to me wether or not you intended on extracting the honey for human consumption. There are many "newbies" reading so I wanted to be clear that this practice of feeding during honey flows would result in adulterated honey. I'm cool about this...I now understand where you are coming from. In your case feeding during a flow would not matter then. Good for you! --Busybee From cosmetics@simplypure.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 1 05:55:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Combining two hives Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:04:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7nupcb$tr2$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-16.holmium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933423307 30562 62.136.33.16 (31 Jul 1999 12:15:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 12:15:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19959 The quick and easy way to combine two hives please ? Have you herd of any new ways....... I try them. Well maybe. David (lazy) Hennessey From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 1 05:55:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining two hives Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Jul 1999 12:41:29 GMT References: <7nupcb$tr2$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990731084129.10603.00003687@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19960 Find and remove/kill the weaker queen. Place a sheet of newspaper over the stronger hive with a few hive tool slits in it. Put the weaker hive bodies on the newspaper. It helps if the weaker hive has some kind of entrance I usually prop up one corner with a stick or wood chip. Anything you do with bees goes smoother with a flow or with feeding. In a couple days remove the newspaper remnants before they become ggoped up with propolis. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Sun Aug 1 05:55:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0xXn3.296$ro.50268@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> <19990729100228.27044.00003028@ng-cb1.aol.com> <37A10F42.BB3E1458@valley.net> Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:19:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.233 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 933445192 208.170.81.233 (Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:19:52 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:19:52 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19961 Me thinks a live web cam and a page could be a hit ! Damon >>basically, you built a very small glider out of > > balsa wood wings with a toothpick body. if i remember correctly it was > > about an inch long with maybe a 2 inch wingspan. then, you caught a > > big, fat bluebottle fly, put it in a jar and put the jar in the fridge > > for 15 minutes to immobilize the fly. From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:04:07 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <000301bedb8f$d89e1e80$02000003@allend> References: <7nsgg2$itu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7nsgg2$itu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6wOtDifqsodA2KCTJTT4vgd?= Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19962 > > Is there any y2k consequences to beekeeping. Read this: http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/20438.html allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: temperment of bees Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:57:52 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-33.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933453580 3233 208.232.214.33 (31 Jul 1999 20:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 20:39:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19963 Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up thanks preacher From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mead Recipe? Date: 31 Jul 1999 16:46:14 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7nv98m$nu2$1@golux.radix.net> References: <379CDD7C.6AC0F2D3@gwu.edu> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19964 Howdy. I ran into Gordon when searching for bottled C02. He's a professional mead maker. I don't know if he's familiar with Usenet or not but here's his email: gordon@castlemark-honey.com Castlemark Honey P.O. Box 442, Shepherdstown, WV 25443 Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From preacherc@cvalley.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsgate.tandem.com!mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com!uunet!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:13:23 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-33.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933454510 589 208.232.214.33 (31 Jul 1999 20:55:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jul 1999 20:55:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19965 Good question, I just put two new queens out, one they accepted, and the other they killed. Just put another in , and will see what happens. One that was accepted had no queen in it for two weeks, the one that killed the queen, I took the old queen out of last night. I was wondering if I should unite the two small colonies now before winter, if they killed the queen again. Any suggestions preacher From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: 31 Jul 1999 17:04:10 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7nvaaa$nvv$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19966 In article , John wrote: >Peter, > Using the Butler cage the queen will be released in about two >hours. I real an article which stated that bees retain memory of the >old queen for 24 hrs and may kill any new queen intoduced before then. >Do yo think it would be best to wait 24 hrs after killing the old queen >before introducing the new one? Nobody knows for sure exactly why some bees will accept some queens. Queen odor and hive odor are comprised of many different combinations of pheromones and chemical compounds. Some theorize that the queens themselves produce a pheromone that acts as an alarm toward workers and stimulates them to ball the queen. If you introduce a queen to a hive that is in the exact same physiological state as the one you've removed, the workers almost always accept the new queen--try it sometime. When in doubt keep a valuable caged queen caged. Introduction without brood will surely result in failure: so add some brood to a broodless hive. Combining a queenless hive with a queenright unit (laying queen, bees, and brood, via newspaper separating them, will be your best bet in difficult situations. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: 31 Jul 1999 17:12:45 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7nvaqd$o1f$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com> <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19967 In article <379B8906.1880@midwest.net>, AL wrote: >Personally, I was there to check out the bike. > Dennis Hopper's bike was by far, much cooler. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.bio,sci.bio.botany,sci.conservation,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.food-science,sci.chem,sci.environment Subject: Usenet posting etiquette was (Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Followup-To: alt.flame Date: 31 Jul 1999 17:50:48 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <7nvd1o$o5k$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net Summary: Herein lies a rebuttal to a poster's comments--delete if you do not want to readpotential flame fodder (see? I give the reader a chance to delete the article.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:3663 alt.sustainable.agriculture:22636 sci.agriculture:36106 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19968 sci.agriculture.fruit:2917 sci.agriculture.poultry:13710 sci.bio:2044 sci.bio.botany:10280 sci.bio.ecology:51519 sci.bio.food-science:10389 sci.chem:149932 sci.environment:217061 Note: followups set to alt.flame In article <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al wrote: >Rebekah Tanner wrote: > Her text deleted Uncle Al's knees jerked, and he boldly spewed forth: >This is "spam." Not only are you a loathsome Enviro-whiner hind gut >fermenting all over my newsgroup and submitting tax-exempt expense >chits, you are boring. BORING! Take your stinky armpits elsewhere. Actually it isn't spam. It's posted in the appropriate fashion. It pertains to the charter of this newsgroup (sci.agriculture.beekeeping) and I'm sure to most if not all of the others as well. The author even apologizes for crossposting, which isn't really anything negative, it's just that most Usenet news readers have never bothered to read the Usenet documentation on posting and general nettiquette. Crossposting on-topic articles is a good thing. If you don't like it, junk it, or don't read it. Nowhere is it written, prescribed, dictated, mentioned, enforced, suggested, ruled, or policy that you as a newsreader, have to read a post. Uncle Al then wrote these elusive and cryptic lines: >To render planet Earth sustainable you > > 1) Allow the best to proceed unhindered and the worst to proceed >unaided. > 2) Wait 90 days. > >4 billion self-deletions in the Third World will set the remaining >valuable and useful humans on their straight and true path unmolested. >No problem. > >The meek shall inherit the Earth, and Hell with it. >Goodness without wisdom always consummates evil. So what's you point? Actually, following your own logic, you yourself have "spammed" the newsgroups, one of which being "yours", with your eloquent opinions. Why doncha read up on posting etiquette before you slam someone who did some work for others? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From jrmars@tricon.net Sun Aug 1 05:55:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 71 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.67 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933457273 216.98.71.67 (Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:41:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:41:13 EDT Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:41:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19969 After reading all the posts I guess there are some easy methods but none are fool proof. I think I'll stick with introducing these increasingly expensive queens into nucs made up of young bees with brood. After 6 or 7 days I will kill the old queens in the hives I want to requeen and leave then queenless for about a day. I'll then intoduce the nucs to the queenless hives using the newspaper method. Does this sound like a plan or what? John n article <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... > >Not in my experience - best to introduce immediately. This may be because >the bees will start to make preparations to rear a new queen after 24hrs and >will therefore not be expecting a mated, laying queen. >John wrote in message ... >>Peter, >> Using the Butler cage the queen will be released in about two >>hours. I real an article which stated that bees retain memory of the >>old queen for 24 hrs and may kill any new queen intoduced before then. >>Do yo think it would be best to wait 24 hrs after killing the old queen >>before intoducing the new one? >> >>John >> >>In article <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, >>edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk says... >>> >>> >>>John wrote in message ... >>>>I would like to hear if anyone has a really good requeening method >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >>----- >>>-------- >>> >>>Best advice is: >>> >>>Do it at the right time: >>> >>>good flow; >>>no robbing; >>>bees not preparing to swarm. >>> >>>How: >>> >>>find and kill old queen; >>>introduce new queen immediately, on her own, in a Butler cage with no >>food >>>with the end covered with a single thickness of newspaper; >>>place cage in centre of broodnest so that queen emerges on emerging >>brood >>>where the bees would expect to find a queen. >>> >>>Golden rule: give them what they are expecting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > From jpa555@aol.com Sun Aug 1 05:55:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 04:26:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801002657.10822.00000486@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19970 Do they Have a Web site?? From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Aug 1 05:56:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:54:05 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 99 Message-ID: <37A3C4DD.900C6F4E@valley.net> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nvaaa$nvv$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-109.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19971 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article , > John wrote: > >Peter, > > Using the Butler cage the queen will be released in about two > >hours. I real an article which stated that bees retain memory of the > >old queen for 24 hrs and may kill any new queen intoduced before then. > >Do yo think it would be best to wait 24 hrs after killing the old queen > >before introducing the new one? > > Nobody knows for sure exactly why some bees will accept some queens. Queen > odor and hive odor are comprised of many different combinations of > pheromones and chemical compounds. Some theorize that the queens themselves > produce a pheromone that acts as an alarm toward workers and stimulates > them to ball the queen. > > If you introduce a queen to a hive that is in the exact same physiological > state as the one you've removed, the workers almost always accept the new > queen--try it sometime. > > When in doubt keep a valuable caged queen caged. Introduction without > brood will surely result in failure: so add some brood to a broodless > hive. Combining a queenless hive with a queenright unit (laying queen, > bees, and brood, via newspaper separating them, will be your best bet > in difficult situations. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf greetings, just some confirmatory comments to advice given by adam and others in this thread. i requeened both of my hives in late june. i was planning to do it in july, after the flow, but i outsmarted myself and had to do it earlier. the reason is that i misjudged the start of the flow and got my supers on a week or so late. my three deep brood box hive, which jumped off to an early population boom this spring was pretty badly honey bound, and i saw my first queen cells. thinking that the reason for the impending swarm was lack of space and not a bad queen [just requeened last july], i added supers and dutifully removed the queen cells. repeated this over three weekends and removed over 2 dozen q cells. in the end i got them all, but then i noticed that there were no eggs and no fresh brood. somewhere along the way i lost the queen. either THAT was the real reason they were making q cells, or i managed to roll her in the process of checking for and removing the cells. since i never detected a population drop and never saw any bees massing at the entrance, i'm reasonably sure that they did not swarm. anyway, this colony was definitely queenless and probably had been for at least a couple of weeks. so, i quickly ordered a couple of ontario buckfast queens, since i figured if i was doing one hive i might as well do the other one at the same time. ordered on sunday, shipped on monday, they arrived on wednesday. i removed the queen from the 2 deep brood box hive wednesday evening and introduced both queens on thursday evening. added 2 frames of brood from the smaller hive to the larger one along with the queen. used standard wooden queen cages with candy plugs and pierced each plug with a nail before introduction. in the colony that was queenless the bees showed very little interest in the queen, which i took to be a good sign. in the smaller hive the bees swarmed all over the cage and i figured it could go one of two ways, tails in, they'd eventually kill her, heads in, they'd be checking her out and learning her smell as a prelude to acceptance. after a couple of tense minutes i realized it was the latter, and with a sigh of relief i closed up both hives. checked on sunday and both queens had been released. checked the following weekend, and eggs and brood were present in both hives. of course, a week later a bear took out the smaller hive as i reported here, but somewhere in the mass of bees and broken woodenware scattered on the ground the queen survived, and i've since added the third deep to bring that colony up to the size of the other one. lessons learned by a newbie: 1) be sure you know why your bees are building queen cells. the 'obvious' reason may not be the right one. 2) add your new queens during a flow. from now on i am going requeen at the end of june, rather than wait until july, when things dry up. the bees were very calm in both hives throughout the process, which amazed me, especially in the hive that had been queenless for a while. 3) add brood along with the queen to a long-time queenless hive. 4) if you're a hobbyist with one hive, i strongly urge you to add a second hive. you will be really glad you did, if you ever have to do any kind of brood swapping [and you will]. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From lithar@midwest.net Sun Aug 1 05:56:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!easynet-fr!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 00:20:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37A3D90A.2141@midwest.net> References: <19990725120803.13702.00001309@ngol03.aol.com> <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <7nvaqd$o1f$1@golux.radix.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19972 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article <379B8906.1880@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > > >Personally, I was there to check out the bike. > > > > Dennis Hopper's bike was by far, much cooler. > > Adam A bit more functional too - can't say I ever got the hang of handling a chopper. AL