Article 34570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Blair Emory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.82.158.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1054440205 12.82.158.91 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34570 Putting ammonium nitrate in your smoker will not make it explode :) I don't know if it will do anything else, however, it probably is worth a try. AN becomes shock sensitive when mixed with a media that will transmit a shock wave, such as fuel oil, diesel etc. Just about all "dynamite" used today is AN based, since the old TNT had a nitroglycerine base, that would leach out of the carrier, say sawdust, crystallize and become very impact sensitive, like dropping it or hitting it with a rock could do it. AN is much safer to use as it takes a big shock such as a blasting cap to detonate it. The Texas City explosion that wiped out about half the town in the late 40's was caused by fuel oil saturating thousands of pounds of fertilizer in a ship at the docks. Something shocked it, or the pressure of the overlaying sacks raised the temperature enough to set it off. I have read several theories, but it's still a mystery. -- Cheers Blair Article 34571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446530 16743 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:48:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:48:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34571 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446630 5256 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:50:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:50:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34572 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446559 30777 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:49:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:49:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34573 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446604 16811 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:50:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:50:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34574 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.130.205 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1054458006 12946 217.135.130.205 (1 Jun 2003 09:00:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 09:00:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34575 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed96141$0$190$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:45:56 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3ed9cb55$0$229@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.26.223.19 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1054460757 229 196.26.223.19 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!peernews3.colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34576 I've removed honeybees that made there home in a compost box....so it is quite possible. In the case I am talking about the box had been nocked over and the bees swarmed to a nearby bush. Anyway....your best bet is to get a local beekeeper to help you out. D. "Judy and Dave G" wrote in message news:3ed96141$0$190$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net... > Are you sure that they are honeybees? Inside a compost bin does not sound > much like honeybees. Perhaps Yellow Jackets? Or hornets? > > If they are honeybees, a call to a local beekeeper or beekeeper's group > would benefit you, the bees and the beekeeper! > > Good Luck to you. > > Judy > > "Killie" wrote in message > news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > > to the box and of course the box itself. > > > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > > the fence and under his shed. > > > > Please help> > > > > THanks > > > > Killie > > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in > bonnie Scotland > > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > > New members always welcome, free membership > > > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ > > Article 34577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:17:47 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.137 X-Trace: sv3-n3mfOzCnQdpuqbZtKtBUGieJRQxcFXT2if3nMBs0J8tadvCsQAEJ2cTCPSMLfOdmDOopq/35Mr0LE9K!00puA1/H2PsRjjOuMml6KPo8VT+Dvur28W/svVTvI7eruk7RQlQa/4gxDpTn+MbAHcC7P3g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34577 You may disagree, but I have actually weighed each and put the two in a gallon jar. It IS very close. Actually, it's right on (within an ounce or so) if you fill the jar right to the lip. Try it. Weigh 5 lbs. of water and put it in the jar. Then weigh 5 lbs. of sugar and add it to the jar. You might have a TINY amount of sugar left - an ounce or so. As far as getting the syrup too strong, it won't stimulate brood rearing if there's too much sugar to water. With 2:1 syrup, they just store it. This plugs up the brood nest and brood rearing really drops. Many commercial beekeepers feed a little less than 1:1. (West Texas) Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Don Wrote: Umm... With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let alone "very close"... The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to be exact) of water to go with it. 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" is much better than "too weak". Article 34578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:22:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip160.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34578 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 times! beekeep Article 34579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:11:43 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 08:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.137 X-Trace: sv3-HKZxKHHh8bJulTh8622h3ZleKDKZ/3YM9/lyvCT+60yBKcJ5fsyy0GkXiwC/BZle72yarc//t78qN8p!WPy4/u3ZaJhxrzBEJXCrhNjyd05J+C0gmG4xXrJrfC45G2iYfnVE3zDB6mnAlrmzKUw7DvM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34579 Did the math. 5 Pounds Water = 0.599142 Gallons 0.599142 gallon [US, liquid] = 2.396568 quart [US, liquid] It takes less volume of sugar to equal 5 lbs. because the density of sugar (sucrose) is (g cm-3): 1.59 . The density of water is 1.0 . Therefore, the combination of 5 lbs. of each will occupy a volume very close to 1 gallon. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark Umm... With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let alone "very close"... The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to be exact) of water to go with it. 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" is much better than "too weak". -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:19:36 +0100 Organization: 127.0.0.1 Lines: 24 Sender: spamblock@[127.0.0.1] Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.78.82.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1054473581 8984 81.78.82.135 (1 Jun 2003 13:19:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 13:19:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net![127.0.0.1]!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34580 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Killie wrote: >After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of >them, >Killie >Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in >bonnie Scotland Scotland, eh? Go to the Scottish Beekeepers Association website at: http://www.scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/sba/areas.htm There you will find a list of the local associations, contact your local secretary and they should put you on to a local beekeeper that will be able to help. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 34581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:09:34 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.25.85.b7 X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 2003 16:03:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34581 This is Phillip again. (orginal poster of the message). Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. Suggestions/Comments? Article 34582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 69 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054483666 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:07:46 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!diablo.voicenet.com!news.ticon.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34582 In article , "me" wrote: > Did the math. > > 5 Pounds Water = 0.599142 Gallons > 0.599142 gallon [US, liquid] = 2.396568 quart [US, liquid] > > It takes less volume of sugar to equal 5 lbs. because the density of sugar > (sucrose) is (g cm-3): 1.59 . The density of water is 1.0 . Therefore, the > combination of 5 lbs. of each will occupy a volume very close to 1 gallon. Ok, NOW you're getting into the realm of "works fer me"... Dunno whether it was because of the way you wrote it, or the way I read it, but your phrasing in the post I was replying to sounded to me like you were telling Keith and Phillip "Fill a gallon jug with water. Now stir in a 5 pound bag of sugar. Presto! You've got 1:1 syrup!" (and forgetting all about the fact that the bees are gonna be going hungry, 'cause a goodly amount of your syrup glued you to the floor when your gallon jug overflowed in a big way while you were pouring in the sugar :) ) *NOW* I see that what you were actually saying was "Take an empty gallon jar. Pour in five pounds of sugar. Add water to fill, and stir. Presto, 1 gallon of 1:1 syrup." (and little or none of it on the floor) Looks like we were both right, but my version of right was for the wrong reasons. The devil is in the details :) > > Hope this helps. > > (West Texas) Mark > > Umm... > With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. > > With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, > depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) > pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let > alone "very close"... > > The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to > be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're > only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to > be exact) of water to go with it. > > 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 > mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the > "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less > than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're > suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup > for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" > is much better than "too weak". > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, > SpamAssassinated > Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Fly trap info pages: > > -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 42 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:28:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054484920 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:28:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:28:40 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34583 In article <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > > > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 > times! I've been seeing this *A LOT* in the last month or so. We're talking hundreds of incidents that I've seen, in newsgroups that are scattered all over the map, from bees, to cars, to computers, to horses, even several examples in newsgroups operated as "strictly local traffic - nothing comes in or goes out from anywhere but sonic.net users reading/posting thorugh Sonic's in-house servers" by my ISP. At least one incident in every newsgroup I read. Many times, it's a group regular who, for no apparent reason, suddenly spews 5, 10, 20, in one case, over 150 identical copies of his/her message across the group, and the next day is generally seen doing the "Aw crap... guess my newsreader puked. Sorry 'bout that..." thing. Connection: The spew *ALWAYS* (or at least, in every case that I've observed and paid attention to the numbers) bears an "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500" header. Perhaps this is a new version of OE that's buggy? I would't know - as my headers should show you, I'm a Mac user who runs MT-NewsWatcher, so I don't pay much attention to Windows-based software releases. Or perhaps we're looking at a new variety of relatively benign mal-ware (virus/worm/trojan) that targets this version of OE, but hasn't yet been recognized as mal-ware by those who specialize in watching for such things? -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:14:21 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.133.54 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1054487721 26177 217.135.133.54 (1 Jun 2003 17:15:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 17:15:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34584 No I didn't! Only sent once - and I only received it once. I did receive an email from Mytravel 11 times the other day, so I guess it is an ISP problem? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > > > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 > times! > > beekeep > > Article 34585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:58:54 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.63 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1054497499 219.88.47.63 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:58:19 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:58:19 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34585 "Gadget" wrote in message news:rZX+cMBo1f2+Ewki@[127.0.0.1]... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Killie wrote: > Scotland, eh? > > Go to the Scottish Beekeepers Association website at: > > http://www.scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/sba/areas.htm > Simply play the bagpipes near them for an hour every morning, it will get rid of the Bees and any people nearby.. Grin! Article 34586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Strange discovery. Date: 1 Jun 2003 12:58:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.70.186.65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054497504 26350 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2003 19:58:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 19:58:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34586 I saw a very strange thing in my only hive today and would be interested to know what other what other people think. I'll start with a brief history of the last month. 5/6: Wanting to try Russians, I re-queened on 5/6. 5/15: Checked the hive about a week later, and I was able to find only about a dozen eggs. This worried me a bit, but I found my new Russian queen on the comb, so thought she was shipped to me as a virgin. I decided to check the hive again in about a week. 5/24: Still, absolutely no brood and no eggs, although, the dozen I had seen the week before were capped. However, this time, I was unable to find the Queen. I became greatly concerned that I was queenless. 5/27: Ordered a replacement queen. 6/1: Prior to putting the new replacement queen into the hive, I scoured the hive looking for a queen, and any eggs. I was concerned that enough time had passed that workers may have also started laying, but no eggs were found, except for 1. Still no brood and not able to locate the Queen! The exception is what is baffling me. I found a single swarm cell cup in the hive with a single egg in it. It was the only egg in the hive, and it was relatively new, since it was still upright in the cup. I destroyed the cup. I pulled out a frame of pollen, and placed the new queen in the hive in her sealed queen cage. I plan on removing the cork in 3 days, since I have concern that there is still a queen in the hive. My thoughts and concerns: 1) Where did they get this single egg? I have heard that queenless bees will occasionally steal an egg to raise a new queen, but since I only have a single hive, where would they get the egg. 2) I could have an unmarked queen, but I think she would be laying eggs by now, more eggs then just the one. What do people on this board think? Am I doing the right thing? Advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Charles Article 34587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:03:25 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.74 X-Trace: sv3-Zg1deJ7yfLtsCr1Pcxvc1Jr1mr99JqeRItZezKTYOOxZ/HV5qhEvy9UPrrR11Sv5ac/YVhytv+mh/h0!FgqzVYr9t7UPbtt83RvHJ859bQl5RtUOhYUiYKzqB37L21giDciNgtN/gH3MxOZU51iUWA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34587 Not sure how many hive bodies you have for brood chambers, their size, or when you got the bees. But here's the way it works... Start a package of bees on 10 frames of foundation in one hive body. All frames should be arranged according to Housel Positioning and pushed tightly together in the center of the box. I recommend using medium hive bodies for everything because it makes everything interchangeable. Feed 1:1 sugar syrup and water (by weight) continuously - don't let it run out even for a day. Anyway, once 7 or 8 frames of foundation are fully drawn out into comb, add another hive body full of foundation just like the original - be sure to match the Housel Positioning of the second box to the first and so on for each additional box. Each time you get 7 or 8 frames drawn out, add another box of foundation. When you get the number of hive bodies you want for the brood chamber, put on a queen excluder and continue feeding and adding boxes of foundation until September or October. The number of hive bodies you use for a brood chamber depends on your location. I use 3 mediums here in west Texas, but it varies depending on your location. So...., now you have several supers of drawn comb with capped sugar syrup honey. What do you do with it? Well..., it does taste good and is "technically" honey. It's no longer sucrose. I wouldn't sell it, but bottling some for yourself sounds good. What about the rest? Keep it and mix it with water to feed back to the bees for the next Spring buildup. We can talk about Spring buildup if you wish. Now, let's say your bees have drawn all the comb you want and you're just trying to build up the population of the colony for an upcoming nectar flow, BUT you have honey where the queen should be laying eggs - no more room down below either. One possible cause is..., you are feeding a ratio of sugar and water that has too much sugar. As I mentioned in a previous post, if the sugar ratio gets too high, the bees will not be stimulated to raise brood. Instead, they will store it. This clogs the brood nest and brood rearing slows dramatically. To fix this problem, put the box with the queen on the bottom of the brood nest - the one with eggs if you can't find the queen. If you have another box with larva, capped or uncapped, put it on next. Continuing on, replace the remaining brood chamber boxes with boxes of drawn comb, honey, and pollen. The arrangement of the frames (working from the outside in) should be..., one honey, one pollen, three empty drawn comb - totaling 10 frames. Don't forget to push them all together and orient according to Housel Positioning matching the Housel Positioning of the bottom box with the queen. Now feed with 1:1 sugar syrup continuously to stimulate brood rearing. Another possibility is..., the queen has moved steadily up the brood nest and is now at the top. Once at the top, she tends to stay there. Check to see if there is open space available for laying in the lower brood chamber boxes - assuming you have any below her. If there is space, just move the box with queen to the bottom and the boxes with the space on top of that. She will begin her gradual movement up once more until she hits the top. This whole process is called reversing the brood chamber. It's standard practice for building up your population in preparation for a nectar flow. Yet another possibility is..., the queen was not mated well and just isn't a great egg layer. You'll need a new queen for that. Hang in there. (West Texas) Mark Phillip Wrote: Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. Suggestions/Comments? Article 34588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Strange discovery. Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:08:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3eda9568.1316209678@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34588 On 1 Jun 2003 12:58:23 -0700, crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: >I saw a very strange thing in my only hive today and would be >interested to know what other what other people think. I'll start with >a brief history of the last month. > >5/6: >Wanting to try Russians, I re-queened on 5/6. > >5/15: >Checked the hive about a week later, and I was able to find only about >a dozen eggs. This worried me a bit, but I found my new Russian queen >on the comb, so thought she was shipped to me as a virgin. I decided >to check the hive again in about a week. > >5/24: >Still, absolutely no brood and no eggs, although, the dozen I had seen >the week before were capped. However, this time, I was unable to find >the Queen. I became greatly concerned that I was queenless. > >5/27: >Ordered a replacement queen. > >6/1: >Prior to putting the new replacement queen into the hive, I scoured >the hive looking for a queen, and any eggs. I was concerned that >enough time had passed that workers may have also started laying, but >no eggs were found, except for 1. Still no brood and not able to >locate the Queen! > >The exception is what is baffling me. I found a single swarm cell cup >in the hive with a single egg in it. It was the only egg in the hive, >and it was relatively new, since it was still upright in the cup. I >destroyed the cup. > >I pulled out a frame of pollen, and placed the new queen in the hive >in her sealed queen cage. I plan on removing the cork in 3 days, >since I have concern that there is still a queen in the hive. > >My thoughts and concerns: >1) Where did they get this single egg? I have heard that queenless >bees will occasionally steal an egg to raise a new queen, but since I >only have a single hive, where would they get the egg. > >2) I could have an unmarked queen, but I think she would be laying >eggs by now, more eggs then just the one. > >What do people on this board think? Am I doing the right thing? >Advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Charles I have seen the same thing. I can't explain it either. beekeep Article 34589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Strange discovery. Date: 2 Jun 2003 06:20:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0306020520.5cbd1944@posting.google.com> References: <3eda9568.1316209678@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.10.162.65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054560015 7030 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2003 13:20:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2003 13:20:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34589 Dont you hate it when re-queening doesnt go according to plan?I sure do.Some possibilities: 1.The queen was a dud(not mated properly) and the bees killed her after she laid a few eggs.If so ,that could be the first laying worker egg in the queen cup,a desperate attempt to raise a queen.They wont accept a new queen with laying workers. 2.The queen is still alive but unable to lay(what I call a sterile queen).She will have shrunk to not much bigger than a worker,and will be hard to find.They wont accept a new queen with a sterile one still there. 3.They raised a virgin when you removed the old queen.This is usually pretty obvious if you are looking in the hive regularly(emerged queen cell)They wont accept a new queen if there is a virgin.If there is a virgin I will usually allow her to go ahead and mate but that hive wont be productive for a long time. Trying to figure out what is happening can be frustrating.If you can put a frame of just hatched larva in,they should start queen cells if they are queenless.If not,its just a gamble.Feeding ,or requeening during a flow greatly increases acceptance of the new queen.When it becomes obvious that there are laying workers,I usually just shake them out and remake the hive at the next opportunity.That can be a swarm,or nuc.I have some of these right now that didnt accept new queens Article 34591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:05:46 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.85 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1054583440 144.134.81.85 (Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:50:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:50:40 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34591 G,day Folks, Could somebody tell me the recipe for pollen patties so that I can make some to feed my poorer hives of bees. Thank you Malcolm Article 34592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:44:12 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Feeding bees Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.32 X-Trace: sv3-n19Bpe8HioWSAhVAxUpJa4nBa/t+6djiCfdvJY/2nn/XgBbTlj3FGbNTsG6pNCuFL/jlTM/esIIldiO!DsDz8wa7sey/mI5OBjln5JAkZ4YV0JUFI+O0oBA2Xou0hlanvDpAvApBa71O5cirBFv8aA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34592 4 parts hot water 1part pollen 8 parts sugar The dough should be stiff but not hard. Place between two pieces of waxed paper and make a patty. Place patty along with waxed paper on the top bars. Replace as necessary. (West Texas) Mark G,day Folks, Could somebody tell me the recipe for pollen patties so that I can make some to feed my poorer hives of bees. Thank you Malcolm Article 34593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030409 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: QUESTION References: <20030602154655.01703.00000824@mb-m05.news.cs.com> In-Reply-To: <20030602154655.01703.00000824@mb-m05.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.72.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1054588755 213.142.72.59 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34593 What have this Spam to do with beekeping????????????? Keithbates52398 wrote: > GREAT WAY TO MAKE MONEY-READ THIS!!!!!! > > HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!! > READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! > > I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, > I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an > article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within > weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this > must be a scam, but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, > it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the > article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at > #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No > catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people > first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to lose except 6 > stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly $6.00. 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This Article 34594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030409 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.72.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1054589258 213.142.72.59 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34594 Feeding bees wich have that much honey.. That's plain honey falsifying... You don't get honey that way, you are just decieving the buyers! Phillip Knowles wrote: > This is Phillip again. (orginal poster of the message). > > Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance > feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front > of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using > washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees > have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I > already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the > gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. > > On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in > the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room > for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, > but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging > behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both > hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. > Suggestions/Comments? > > Article 34595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:26:31 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34595 In article <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed >with an oxidizer such as fuel oil. 1. Since when did fuel oil become an oxidizer? 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate in a Texas port? Article 34596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:20:37 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. 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Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate > in a Texas port? No. AL Article 34597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:26:55 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34597 In article <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net>, AL wrote: >> 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate >> in a Texas port? >No. Is 1947 the S.S. Grandcamp with a hold full of amonium nitrate exploded while docked in Galveston: http://sdsd.essortment.com/texascityexplo_rkvi.htm -- http://www.spinics.net/photo/ Article 34598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDC363C.836128C8@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:46:36 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.28 X-Trace: sv3-Wd1odhv4XgeEfPp6YFkiV+TBYMEEYGRrUqufb914/eZ47vXQXbKbKBAx90MwN+XT4HU/ey26fnTAbuJ!NZbhHmlgNtoclu7fuXPsr4XIkpIqkHO8JZe2VJoiI1Q3BkkLJW/KJmuuYx/Jp6IgG3JFjg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34598 ellis@no.spam wrote: > > In article <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net>, AL wrote: > > >> 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate > >> in a Texas port? > > >No. > > Is 1947 the S.S. Grandcamp with a hold full of amonium nitrate exploded > while docked in Galveston: > > http://sdsd.essortment.com/texascityexplo_rkvi.htm Most impressive. A football stadium where I once attended high school was the scene of an ammonium nitrate bombing back in the late 60's using what was later determined to be an 80lb bag, a blasting cap and a timer. It was speculated the bomber intended to do harm to the spectators at the game that night but failed to set the timer accordingly. It detonated some time after the game, carving out a huge crater in the dirt bank next to the seats but harming no one. AL Article 34599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flavoring honey Date: 3 Jun 2003 12:01:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.208.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054666877 26861 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2003 19:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2003 19:01:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34599 I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. THanks. Article 34600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Swarms Date: 3 Jun 2003 14:35:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0306031335.6a078bf8@posting.google.com> References: <3ECADE5A.27CC342A@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054676154 2163 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2003 21:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2003 21:35:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34600 AL wrote in message news:<3ECADE5A.27CC342A@hcis.net>... > Blair Emory wrote: > > > > Thanks to all. I looked last night and the queen is laying. Guess I will > > wait a bit to see which one is the best queen and get rid of the other, then > > combine. I sort of like Al's method, but seems the other was the one I was > > trying to remember. > > > > > > > The newspaper trick works too, its just that I'm not very patient and > want to get things done in one visit. The sugar & vanilla shower makes > that possible. > > AL You should not be too impatient, if you want the bees united then it does not matter the length of time (within reason!!) in comparison. we use the newspaper method in our branch apiary here in the UK. it works fine.Just make sure that you make holes in the paper to give the bees a start in eating through. Good luck Albert. take care and stay lucky Article 34601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ramon Reges" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: C.D.E.E.A. Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:01:28 -0300 Organization: Sinectis SA Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem157-as11.capfed1.sinectis.com.ar X-Trace: lepsoy.sinectis.com.ar 1054685000 18613 216.244.201.157 (4 Jun 2003 00:03:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@sinectis.com.ar NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 00:03:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.169.16!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!lepsoy.sinectis.com.ar!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34601 -- Estimados : Les presento a nuestro Sitio, el Centro de Estudios Ecológicos Argentino http://www.cdeea.com/ Sitio dedicado a difundir Estudios sobre Ecología, Micología y Climatología, Sin Fines de Lucro. Lo formamos, Profesionales Argentinos y de diversas partes del mundo, estudiosos de estos temas. 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Gave me a lifelong respect for ammonium nitrate. Altho' I guess sprinkling a teaspoon in your smoker the worst might be that it melts a hole thru the bottom... Article 34603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDD68D5.E32D1A93@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:34:45 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. 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A farmer who > expected his son to help dump the AN bags into the spreader when it was > time to fertilize the cornfield... And later came back to the house to > find said son lying in that quiet, dark room mentioned earlier, hoping > that the headache would at least let up enough to keep his skull from > exploding into a million little jagged, razor-edged pieces... As soon as I was old enough to wrestle 50lb bags to my shoulder I was expected to handle the 80lb bags of ammonium nitrate, pour it in the spreader and level it out with my hands. Even though the stuff was granular, there was still plenty of dust rising from the pour. I never ever experienced anything like your description. But, I find the idea of burning the stuff to get nitrous oxide intriguing... AL Article 34604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: connie@lightspeed.net (Connie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oleanders Date: 3 Jun 2003 21:17:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.244.20.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054700270 20980 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 04:17:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 04:17:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34604 I got my first 2 hives 3 weeks ago. There are plenty of wild flowers nearby: mustard, star thistle, and many I don't know the name of. My worry is that the bees will go to the closest nectar and pollen source: the oleanders around the house. There are lots of them and in full bloom. I believe they bloom through the fall. Is it true honey made from them will be poisonous? Is there any chance that bees will prefer other flowers if available? Is there anything I can do? I live in Bakersfield, California. Thanks for any advice anyone can offer. Article 34605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flavoring honey Date: 4 Jun 2003 03:56:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306040256.487fe70a@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054724200 6205 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 10:56:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 10:56:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34605 leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) wrote in message news:... > I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use > in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have > suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? > Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. > THanks. Noodle around on the National Honey Board websitee They had a lemon flavor but it was done with the zest of the lemon. Article 34606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flavoring honey Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:38:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3eddf49c.1537104434@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip190.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!blue.readfreenews.net!news.readfreenews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34606 On 3 Jun 2003 12:01:17 -0700, leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) wrote: >I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use >in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have >suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? >Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. >THanks. Years ago I used to feed the bees sweetened apple juice after the honey flow and called it applecomb. It sold well to mead makers in gallons nationwide and I packaged in syrup bottles for the general public. You may consider syrup bottles to keep it from looking like honey as some people tend to go on the adulterated honey bandwagon and get all upset. What really upsets them is the line at your stand! There are markets out there to be developed. The only problem that I see with adding flavoring to the honey is watering it down too much where it will ferment. beekeep Article 34607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:07:28 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054746448.510960@spinics.net> References: <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> <3EDC363C.836128C8@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34607 In article , Peter KERR wrote: >Altho' I guess sprinkling a teaspoon in your smoker the worst >might be that it melts a hole thru the bottom... Yeah, a little bit in a smoker isn't going to explode. Article 34608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing a swarm Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:19:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.66.96.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1054750771 66.66.96.162 (Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:19:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:19:31 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34608 I have a new swarm on furlough in a pine near my house. I'd like to have someone take it rather than destroy it but can't locate anyone. I'm near Rochester NY and would appreciate any contacts you all may have. Thanks Article 34609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dan@snellgrove.freeserve.co.uk (Dan Snellgrove) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Snellgrove Board? Date: 4 Jun 2003 15:46:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054766785 10477 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 22:46:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 22:46:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34609 I know this isn't really a proper beekeeping question, but does anyone know why a Snellgrove board is named "Snellgrove"? I can only presume someone with the surnanme Snellgrove invented it. But who was it? Article 34610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing a swarm Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:49:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ede776d.1570888842@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip162.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34610 On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:19:31 GMT, "Francis" wrote: >I have a new swarm on furlough in a pine near my house. I'd like to have >someone take it rather than destroy it but can't locate anyone. I'm near >Rochester NY and would appreciate any contacts you all may have. > >Thanks > > If you just leave it alone it will fly off in a couple of days. beekeep Article 34611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oleander Blooms Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:47:08 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34611 We have a large oleander in bloom near the hive. Is there any concern with the honey becoming toxic? I'm sure that I'm not the only beekeeper with oleander in the area and I really haven't heard anything on this topic. Thanks! James Article 34612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snellgrove Board? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:58:07 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.192.221 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054796330 16663 217.135.192.221 (5 Jun 2003 06:58:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 06:58:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34612 Seems a perfectly valid question to me! L.E. Snelgrove (one 'l')- English beekeeper - wrote books: The Introduction of Queen Bees Swarming - Its Control and Prevention Queen Rearing Dave Cushman has a good web page about the board at: http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/snelgroveboard.html Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Dan Snellgrove" wrote in message news:13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com... > I know this isn't really a proper beekeeping question, but does anyone > know why a Snellgrove board is named "Snellgrove"? I can only presume > someone with the surnanme Snellgrove invented it. But who was it? Article 34613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "vinel10" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:13:56 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.90.92.8 Message-ID: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1054826329 63.90.92.8 (5 Jun 2003 10:18:49 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.litech.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34613 when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day and it is very damp where I have them now thanks -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mike Yared" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "The buzz on bees" Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:27:17 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVabho6cifpi7r0Tu4w2RhLJWdqVBoI+JZFA2oCsPM4eTzvt2RBTQMPm X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 16:26:46 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34614 The buzz on bees As president of the Allegheny Mountain Beekeepers Association, Harry Mallow has always loved the insects, especially the way they buzz from one place to another http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030604-104141-3304r.htm Article 34615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.93.b7 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2003 17:11:00 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34615 In article <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>, "vinel10" wrote: > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > 1) I don't know if 300 feet is far enough to move 'em to get 'em going to the new location, but... 2) You'll have to have help. Or a forklift or garden tractor with a trailer behind it, or a cart of some sort. The hive will be way to heavy and awkward to move by yourself. 3) Make sure the boxes, bottom board, and outer cover are stapled together. Last thing you want is for the thing to fall apart during the move. 4) Since you're only moving a short distance, nail a board of some sort over the hive opening, to keep 'em in during the move. 5) DO THE MOVE AT NIGHT if possible. You have to make sure as many bees as possible are in the hive when you move it. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:11:30 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.93.b7 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2003 17:12:56 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34616 My colony for some reason is dead set on drawing burr comb, rather than comb directly off the foundation. They use the foundation, but then draw it in such a way as the comb itself is two sided, off a bit from the foundation. I'm using Duragilt, which is wax coated, and I wonder if that's the problem. Any ideas anyone? About the why, and the what to do? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Sussex Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:10:38 +0100 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3ufvdvk0r2t8gv52e2l3s4uh1tbk26tvk4@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.25.184.230 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1054850998 2638 62.25.184.230 (5 Jun 2003 22:09:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 22:09:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34617 Anybody got any hives for sale in Sussex, UK. On Nationals? Article 34618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:34:49 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.138.16 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1054851684 6138 217.135.138.16 (5 Jun 2003 22:21:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 22:21:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-peer.gradwell.net!news.cabal.org.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34618 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/MovingBees.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "vinel10" wrote in message news:3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com... > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Ross McTaggart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: moving bees Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <_2SDa.8868$VS5.738198@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:24:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.114.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1054862650 216.209.114.185 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:24:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:24:10 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34619 I would suggest that you don't staple it, too much work, and I have a better suggestion. go to a place that has packaging material to get the nylon banding that attaches boxes to pallets. It is very strong and easy to use (at least once you know how LOL) Just wrap it around the whole thing, and cinch it up. Easy to cut off too. My preference however is for the waxed fibre instead of the nylon however. It is biodegradable! Cheers John "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NstretchO-B2F595.13092205062003@news.mindspring.com... > In article <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>, > "vinel10" wrote: > > > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > 1) I don't know if 300 feet is far enough to move 'em to get 'em going > to the new location, but... > > 2) You'll have to have help. Or a forklift or garden tractor with a > trailer behind it, or a cart of some sort. The hive will be way to > heavy and awkward to move by yourself. > > 3) Make sure the boxes, bottom board, and outer cover are stapled > together. Last thing you want is for the thing to fall apart during the > move. > > 4) Since you're only moving a short distance, nail a board of some sort > over the hive opening, to keep 'em in during the move. > > 5) DO THE MOVE AT NIGHT if possible. You have to make sure as many bees > as possible are in the hive when you move it. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:08:34 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34620 looking to purchase or build cant seem to find much info can anyone help me out/ Article 34621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:23:54 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.2 X-Trace: sv3-osaDGMPRw8Vv2aH2WGds1VBvMmFmhXikOFiZ0Ub3NXAWjAhxK2/9yvpM7mNaYenHSIssFUL/BopVg1E!xnvD33ldwtrTeBAuKeF3+9u7gqEz++n9dgDWlgGml8Z191GWl/qqGmJcYYM9+r35fHqD X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34621 I've heard from very reliable sources that all you have to do is..., seal up the hive in the evening after the bees have gone in for the night. Do this by stuffing grass tightly into the entrance. Move the hive where you want them early the next morning. Reposition the grass so the bees can, "with a fair amount of time and effort", remove the grass and get out. Be careful not to make it too tuff or they may become overheated. By struggling to get out, they'll reorient to the new location. As far as lifting the hive, I'd get a small wagon, cart, or wheel barrow. Take the hive apart and reassemble it on the wagon or cart. Use a ratchet strap to hold the hive together. Possibly use another strap to secure the hive to the cart or wagon. Wait a day or two and move the hive as described above. After the move, wait another day or two and reassemble it on a hive stand. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark I need to move them about three hundred feet or so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day and it is very damp where I have them now thanks Article 34622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top entrance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.31 X-Trace: sv3-WYKoHUyk/YrUslLSqcBA/k3EzZ+ExlQA9bvPLeQde+1OXmpoocy0Mlom8LDmctD5bcP9VF18i/QE8Nv!7I649mcZ0L5mj4Z7KIQEgs4KFU7FO/1jMzjPW/qng+a7rQQqspaSBdt1aSai6J6A4h0lNQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34622 I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly down to the main entrance. I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using them??? AL Article 34623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:59:22 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.185.51 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1054879268 3255 217.135.185.51 (6 Jun 2003 06:01:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2003 06:01:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34623 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/HiveCarriers.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:ve01djn530mmc0@corp.supernews.com... > looking to purchase or build cant seem to find much info can anyone help me > out/ > > Article 34624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:53:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip183.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34624 On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly >down to the main entrance. > >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. > >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using >them??? > >AL 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood nest. And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. beekeep Article 34625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:29:49 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:27:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.135 X-Trace: sv3-Chs/RH7AxS7Z4k/s28drNcoPipqG4U+R9fKN8KNDLtIT2fNIknAOIJe6Gevq22b7A1wv/cRlJYjEj3X!d0aprVjYvyS0dSUXwSdzFNU7rFCLCv76quZ6awBmZUjq/oG2MLr5ocMIERVjc9620PyhjBU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34625 Hi Peter, Nice collection of good info on your web site. I really like the simple design of the hive carrier, but was looking at it and noticed the handles are a little longer on one end than the other. Was this on purpose, or does the picture make it look that way? Someday I'll have to post a picture of the gadget I made to twist hive bodies to break them loose without disturbing those below it. Keep up the good work. (West Texas) Mark Article 34626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EE0B1D3.40088333@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.74 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1054913533 66.20.225.74 (6 Jun 2003 10:32:13 -0500) Lines: 51 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34626 beekeep wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: > > >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to > >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling > >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct > >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's > >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings > >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower > >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was > >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" > >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. > >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view > >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while > >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even > >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly > >down to the main entrance. > > > >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to > >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in > >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. > > > >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using > >them??? > > > >AL > 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening > when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood > nest. > And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. > > beekeep They *are* filling the supers - two supers on two hives (single brood boxes) almost filled but not capped. They just seem to prefer coming in the bottom entrance, climbing up through the brood box and the QE to get there. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:41:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3ee0c3fe.1721208949@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> <3EE0B1D3.40088333@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.184.165.233!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34627 On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0500, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> >> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: >> >> >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to >> >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling >> >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct >> >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's >> >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings >> >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower >> >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was >> >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" >> >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. >> >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view >> >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while >> >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even >> >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly >> >down to the main entrance. >> > >> >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to >> >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in >> >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. >> > >> >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using >> >them??? >> > >> >AL > > > > >> 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening >> when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood >> nest. >> And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. >> >> beekeep > > > >They *are* filling the supers - two supers on two hives (single brood >boxes) almost filled but not capped. They just seem to prefer coming in >the bottom entrance, climbing up through the brood box and the QE to get >there. > >AL > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- The house bees are probably moving it up. Give them time. They will use it, especially if you get rid of the honey excluder. beekeep Article 34628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fs: honey extractor Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:10:13 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34628 One posted on ebay if interested item # 2536937604 Article 34629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:39:05 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.186.253 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054939182 19741 217.135.186.253 (6 Jun 2003 22:39:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2003 22:39:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34629 Hi Mark Glad you like the info - so much more to do, especially photos. You missed this bit: "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people of varying strength." Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "me" wrote in message news:EYmcndaiRJ-jFH2jXTWcqQ@crcom.net... > Hi Peter, > > Nice collection of good info on your web site. > > I really like the simple design of the hive carrier, but was looking at it > and noticed the handles are a little longer on one end than the other. Was > this on purpose, or does the picture make it look that way? > > Someday I'll have to post a picture of the gadget I made to twist hive > bodies to break them loose without disturbing those below it. > > Keep up the good work. > > (West Texas) Mark > Article 34630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:35:17 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.195 X-Trace: sv3-c1cyQE4P7DX4KrrIt8SU9b0cB3ZKlT+s6vdWkhOapXr53HjoPQq5bI3dxnteEyWgvp+mQRdwr/gHNiO!swSIZWlZyIlQfIV14NXdbG3DPXRKJk+66Ym5xKOKo5xrXZ0C6prrmwYNO2gDAMduMPUyzf0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34630 Guess I'd be tempted to just make the short end 5" longer too and let people grab it where ever they felt comfortable. It is a very good design though. Wonder if one could be made like it to carry hives with the normal U.S. hand grooves. Those things are very uncomfortable. (West Texas) Mark You missed this bit: "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people of varying strength." Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 34631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:41:56 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:42:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.195 X-Trace: sv3-LkBZ2QlNft/6iGgOHOYFTcmhqtdMRpXkP4ouJ2hsrjvQBIO6DzsyEDh6uE+Ku0UV0Oe+P/MnSkNADbD!pEA1Jzx/0CdY3jP62OrB4Cs6caDeIMjd9Yr7gnEWgV2yEekXUsUnKZNw1nMMV/Zhcm3/PLg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34631 I've tried Imerie Shims between every other super and noticed few bees use the extra entrance. Somewhere I read that field bees don't deposit the nectar they collect. It's given to house bees to put where they want it. This being the case, it would make since that the upper entrances are seldomly used. (West Texas) Mark Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using them??? AL Article 34632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:00:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE13679.2899068E@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:48:57 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.187 X-Trace: sv3-ByPWnJmlLFQiNNFWXfathQSZtbiA8bkwYPr47uHKHzKouERhcbFETaxhEXfKyyp3G2sVjvxoxBPjuwK!J/xiTOuZIoj3Zl0t8KcOfERGcF7uQDURZ8U3oWxEah3S4JAYs19KDwzxpYJqrj18MY2wOoc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34632 me wrote: > > I've tried Imerie Shims between every other super and noticed few bees use > the extra entrance. Somewhere I read that field bees don't deposit the > nectar they collect. It's given to house bees to put where they want it. > This being the case, it would make since that the upper entrances are > seldomly used. > I seem to recall reading that too. AL Article 34633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: 6 Jun 2003 21:46:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054961196 27951 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 04:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 04:46:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34633 I have holes drilled in my supers but I also have hives where I just pull a super back to provide an entrance all the way across the front. If you ever need to plug a hole just roll up a ball of wax scrapings from the cover or top of the frames. As much as I respect George Imrie's beekeeping a shim is just one more piece of equipment. As for bottom boards they are cut off flush with the hive and have a piece of harware cloth wrapped to provide a year round mouse guard. Inner covers have a hole drilled in one corner so you can fill a division board feeder without prying it up. Today I split and requeened a hive that was a bit snotty, the bees seem to fall or roll off the frames in clumps. Finding the queen was a challange I think she was a runner too. Beautiful brood pattern fat healthy queen just not fun to work. Both halves got a NWC queen. In another yard there was a fallen tree atop a row of five hives. It must have happened during the thunderstorm a few days ago. I am curious to hear about the miticide "Checkmite" Article 34634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: 6 Jun 2003 21:57:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062057.e081029@posting.google.com> References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054961874 28371 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 04:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 04:57:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34634 "vinel10" wrote in message news:<3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>... > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > Working alone can be fun. If you decide to move them you can just move them a box at a time. 20 or 30 ft if the bees have a line of sight they will settle out fairly soon. An extra bottom board is handy. Article 34635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: 6 Jun 2003 22:04:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062104.1190079e@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054962276 28759 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 05:04:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 05:04:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34635 "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote in message news:... > My colony for some reason is dead set on drawing burr comb, rather than > comb directly off the foundation. They use the foundation, but then > draw it in such a way as the comb itself is two sided, off a bit from > the foundation. I'm using Duragilt, which is wax coated, and I wonder > if that's the problem. > > Any ideas anyone? About the why, and the what to do? Duragilt sucks! Article 34636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:26:37 +0100 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.196.153 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054970831 12558 217.135.196.153 (7 Jun 2003 07:27:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 07:27:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34636 There was a similar carrier shown in Bee Culture recently, designed for Langstroth hives but without the hinge in the cross section. I emailed Kim and he is going to use my letter and photos. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "me" wrote in message news:vwidnW7LipvYrnyjXTWcow@crcom.net... > Guess I'd be tempted to just make the short end 5" longer too and let people > grab it where ever they felt comfortable. It is a very good design though. > Wonder if one could be made like it to carry hives with the normal U.S. hand > grooves. Those things are very uncomfortable. > > (West Texas) Mark > > You missed this bit: > > "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In > use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra > length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of > the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people > of varying strength." > > Best wishes > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > Article 34637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:41:59 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 45 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34637 can you tell me which issue of Bee Culture and thanks everyone for all the info. "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:bbs44f$c8e$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > There was a similar carrier shown in Bee Culture recently, designed for > Langstroth hives but without the hinge in the cross section. I emailed Kim > and he is going to use my letter and photos. > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > "me" wrote in message news:vwidnW7LipvYrnyjXTWcow@crcom.net... > > Guess I'd be tempted to just make the short end 5" longer too and let > people > > grab it where ever they felt comfortable. It is a very good design > though. > > Wonder if one could be made like it to carry hives with the normal U.S. > hand > > grooves. Those things are very uncomfortable. > > > > (West Texas) Mark > > > > You missed this bit: > > > > "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In > > use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra > > length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of > > the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two > people > > of varying strength." > > > > Best wishes > > > > Peter Edwards > > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > > Article 34638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Alan Schultz" From: "Alan Schultz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: minnestoa hygenic queen Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:37:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.237.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1054985821 68.166.237.232 (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:37:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:37:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34638 Wondering what is the experience of American beekeepers with the Minnesota Hygienic. Two of my hives have an awful lot of drone comb, 2 are OK Article 34645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: 8 Jun 2003 07:33:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.35.181.87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055082826 14758 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2003 14:33:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2003 14:33:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34645 honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net>... > On 6 Jun 2003 21:46:36 -0700, bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote: > > > > >I am curious to hear about the miticide "Checkmite" > > > I used it last year and will never use it again. I lost a lot of > colonies due to queens that never started laying again in the spring. > after using it. > > beekeep Your post from this spring said you treated with oxalic acid. I also had queens that came out of winter not laying and treated with oxalic acid as well. So was it the oxalic acid or the Checkmite? Ray Article 34646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moisture on inner lid.... Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:38:08 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.34.25.97 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1055083089 225 196.34.25.97 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34646 I have a hive where the inner lid seems to have quite a lot of moisture on it....I assume that this is just condensation. The inner lid does not have hole in it, as I have seen on other hives. Normally I just leave this moisture, but this hive seems to be "wetter". My questions are 1. Is the point of the whole in the inner cover to let this moisture out? 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should I go about dealing with it? Regards Daniel. Article 34647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:32:05 -0500 From: "csoderquist" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za> Subject: Re: Moisture on inner lid.... Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:28:31 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.233.218.25 X-Trace: sv3-3QijjjKXAsldPdQIF6tDVimwXf5g+pxcoxMtIsB/JEulwEcfEqZsdA4nY3xZrYDFLizkcdFZMqXA3Cm!Decl31mByG2j+rLtWqksDN9SoZuhE+J27E9koKS56iOzLDTiVQoe6FRIecR75/zcKI2IPrx5ybZO!ZYPo1g72rUE0ji+l9GVi112hlJgDh+uMOCSH X-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@wideopenwest.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.wideopenwest.com!news.wideopenwest.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34647 Moisture on the inner cover is indicative of inadequate ventilation. Cut a hole in the inner cover, round, square, rectangular, whatever,(I don't think anyone uses bee escapes anymore, which is why inner covers have that rounded rectangle in the center) and then prop the outer cover up with a small stone or stick, about 1/2 inch or so. Moisture in the winter will kill your bees as it rains on them inside and then freezes. There is quite a bit of moisture this time of year because in addition to the normal respiration of a colony of bees there is the additional moisture from them evaporating all of that nectar they are bringing in. Give em some air! "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za... > I have a hive where the inner lid seems to have quite a lot of moisture on > it....I assume that this is just condensation. The inner lid does not have > hole in it, as I have seen on other hives. Normally I just leave this > moisture, but this hive seems to be "wetter". My questions are > > 1. Is the point of the whole in the inner cover to let this moisture out? > 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should I > go about dealing with it? > > Regards > > Daniel. > > Article 34648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za> Subject: Re: Moisture on inner lid.... Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:08:47 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <3ee35f91$0$231@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.34.25.97 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1055088529 231 196.34.25.97 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34648 Yeah....I'm not too concerned about them freezing.....as I live in South Africa and we don't get freezing weather here.....just wet weather for winter. My only concern if really wood rot....or mold. I will cut a hole in it anyway. I do have holes in the 2 supers that are on this hive, for entrances...which should provide some ventilation, but I am considering closing the top one for winter. Additionally, if I prop up the outer cover a bit, will they not move into that area between the inner and outer board through the hole in the inner cover? D. "csoderquist" wrote in message news:Vzidnf5PIptoy36jXTWcqQ@wideopenwest.com... > Moisture on the inner cover is indicative of inadequate > ventilation. Cut a hole in the inner cover, round, square, > rectangular, whatever,(I don't think anyone uses bee escapes > anymore, which is why inner covers have that rounded rectangle in the > center) and then prop the outer cover up > with a small stone or stick, about 1/2 inch or so. Moisture > in the winter will kill your bees as it rains on them inside > and then freezes. There is quite a bit of moisture this time > of year because in addition to the normal respiration of > a colony of bees there is the additional moisture from them > evaporating all of that nectar they are bringing in. Give em > some air! > "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message > news:3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za... > > I have a hive where the inner lid seems to have quite a lot of moisture on > > it....I assume that this is just condensation. The inner lid does not have > > hole in it, as I have seen on other hives. Normally I just leave this > > moisture, but this hive seems to be "wetter". My questions are > > > > 1. Is the point of the whole in the inner cover to let this moisture out? > > 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should > I > > go about dealing with it? > > > > Regards > > > > Daniel. > > > > > > Article 34649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moisture on inner lid.... Date: 8 Jun 2003 10:16:57 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306080916.54a423dc@posting.google.com> References: <3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.14.19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055092618 21767 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2003 17:16:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2003 17:16:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34649 "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:<3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za>... > I have a hive where the inner lid seems to have quite a lot of moisture on > it....I assume that this is just condensation. The inner lid does not have > hole in it, as I have seen on other hives. Normally I just leave this > moisture, but this hive seems to be "wetter". My questions are > > 1. Is the point of the whole in the inner cover to let this moisture out? > 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should I > go about dealing with it? > > Regards > > Daniel. Hole in inner cover is there to place a device called a bee escape. Make sure your hive pitches forward and you can always add a hole to improve ventllation or put some sticks between the boxes to create a small gap. Article 34650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:00:30 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip176.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34650 On 8 Jun 2003 07:33:45 -0700, beehunter50@yahoo.com (Ray Morgan) wrote: >honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote in message news:<3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net>... >> On 6 Jun 2003 21:46:36 -0700, bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote: >> >> >> >> >I am curious to hear about the miticide "Checkmite" >> >> >> I used it last year and will never use it again. I lost a lot of >> colonies due to queens that never started laying again in the spring. >> after using it. >> >> beekeep > > Your post from this spring said you treated with oxalic acid. I also >had queens that came out of winter not laying and treated with oxalic >acid as well. >So was it the oxalic acid or the Checkmite? > >Ray I treated my home yard (30 colonies) with oxalic acid. 1 out of 30 made it. All my out yards (150 colonies) got checkmite. About half of these made it. The results were mixed with some coming through like gang busters but many just dwindled away this spring with very little brood. It was like the queens became sterile. It may have just been the previous years drout, I relly can't say, but I am going back to what has always worked for me. It's the Thymol sponges treatment followed with fluvalinate this year. Keep in mind that my wintering survival rates are not the best under good seasons as I harvest bees all winter long to ship out to apitherapy patients. Queens get shaken out by mistake and the coloniies' populations are reduced. No honey is harvested so starvation is usually not a problem. Most of this seems crazy until you see the bottom line. I average grossing better than $500.00 per colony so I can afford to loose some. Normal winter losses are about 25%. beekeep Article 34651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oxalic acid Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:58:33 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34651 Thinking of using hearing may be harmful to the bees anyone with more info Article 34652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:39:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE3FEE1.22A53C5B@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:28:33 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moisture on inner lid.... 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The inner lid does not have > hole in it, as I have seen on other hives. Normally I just leave this > moisture, but this hive seems to be "wetter". My questions are > > 1. Is the point of the whole in the inner cover to let this moisture out? > 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should I > go about dealing with it? Inner lid - what's that??? I eliminated inner covers a while back and haven't given them a second thought. Most of the time I keep the outer cover canted for ventilation, even during the winter, except for the coldest months when the temp might get down to 10degF (-5degF in severe winters). AL Article 34653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oxalic acid Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:33:23 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.179.36 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1055140429 26215 217.135.179.36 (9 Jun 2003 06:33:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2003 06:33:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34653 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/VarroaTreatment.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:ve7fu24h42vddd@corp.supernews.com... > Thinking of using hearing may be harmful to the bees anyone with more info > > Article 34654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moisture on inner lid.... Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:40:36 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3ee34a51$0$225@hades.is.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYS7koy+Nmu8shajIGBVaflj7X23gIG8xf7AR/V3FUS6wp+jwT2NsL+ X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2003 13:41:37 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34654 Daniel - You might find this discussion helpful: http://www.beesource.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000050.html Regards, Barry > 2. Is it a problem to have the moisture in there and if it is, how should I > go about dealing with it? > > Regards > > Daniel. Article 34655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: oxalic acid Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1055173353 24.62.89.183 (Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:42:33 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:42:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34655 Hi Bob, "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:ve7fu24h42vddd@corp.supernews.com... > Thinking of using hearing may be harmful to the bees anyone with more info I had 4 colonies last year. All had high varroa levels by late summer. Treated all 4 w/ Apistan (56 days) and did little to no good, so I assumed Apistan-resistant varroa. I like to produce some comb honey, so coumaphos was out. I treated all 4 with oxalic acid sprayed on all comb faces after all brood were gone for the winter. The two colonies with the highest mite levels died over the winter in order of mite load. The other two are still alive and going great so far this year. I split one of them. I haven't run any mite drop tests yet, so I can't be sure that the varroa levels are down. All in all, I'm happy with the oxalic so far. -Steve Article 34656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: b391gm Subject: Re: Top entrance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc303955.mw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34656 If the reason you are using checkmite is that your mites are resistant to fluvalinate, then they may also be resistant to checkmite. That discussion recently came up on BEE-L. It seems once they develop a resistance to one it is a only short time until they are resistant to the other. The oils and acids are temp/humidity dependant, so you should expect more erratic results than what you are used to with the miticides. Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 34657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oxalic acid Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:48:38 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34657 Can I ask what you use for the varroia mite, And thanks for being so helpful to everyone. "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:bc19od$pj7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/VarroaTreatment.htm > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > "Bob Seaman" wrote in message > news:ve7fu24h42vddd@corp.supernews.com... > > Thinking of using hearing may be harmful to the bees anyone with more info > > > > > > Article 34658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oleander Blooms Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:29:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.132.254 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1055197477 64.238.132.254 (Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:24:37 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:24:37 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34658 No problem, Oleander made decent honey "James Avila" wrote in message news:vdtmf8g312vu98@corp.supernews.com... We have a large oleander in bloom near the hive. Is there any concern with the honey becoming toxic? I'm sure that I'm not the only beekeeper with oleander in the area and I really haven't heard anything on this topic. Thanks! James Article 34659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: oxalic acid Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:34:34 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.207.104 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1055198104 12772 217.135.207.104 (9 Jun 2003 22:35:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2003 22:35:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34659 Currently using only thymol - mites almost non-existent so no need for the November oxalic treatment. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:vea05rh473kc52@corp.supernews.com... > Can I ask what you use for the varroia mite, And thanks for being so helpful > to everyone. > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:bc19od$pj7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/VarroaTreatment.htm > > > > Peter Edwards > > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > > > > "Bob Seaman" wrote in message > > news:ve7fu24h42vddd@corp.supernews.com... > > > Thinking of using hearing may be harmful to the bees anyone with more > info > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 34660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vacuum Swarm Collector Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:45:32 +0100 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.25.208.19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1055198678 20466 62.25.208.19 (9 Jun 2003 22:44:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2003 22:44:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-quince!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34660 Does anybody in the UK sell these devices? I know there are plans to make them but I would prefer just to buy. Thanks Article 34661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:46:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ee52a10.89464358@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip145.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34661 On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:14 GMT, b391gm wrote: >If the reason you are using checkmite is that your mites are resistant >to fluvalinate, then they may also be resistant to checkmite. That >discussion recently came up on BEE-L. It seems once they develop a >resistance to one it is a only short time until they are resistant to >the other. > >The oils and acids are temp/humidity dependant, so you should expect >more erratic results than what you are used to with the miticides. > >Billy Smart >Rock, KS I use the thymol in July which is pretty constant here, hot and dry. Plus it is on for a long period of time. The fluvalinate goes on in the fall when I am putting in the greese patties. beekeep Article 34662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Burr Comb Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.30.214.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1055220171 67.30.214.126 (Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:42:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:42:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34662 Foundation is usually not the culprit of poorly drawn comb. I, having used crimped wire and Duragilt, have found two common mistakes people make, which has nothing to do with foundation, but more to do with the misunderstandings people have about basic beekeeping: 1. Spacing: Foundation should always be started in the tightest possible condition (i.e. all ten frames placed in the super or surrounded by comb in the case of someone replacing an old frame or two). Too much space, usually, if not always, equals burr comb. 2. Lack of a Honeyflow: If an adequate honeyflow is not present, it is nearly impossible to get bees to draw out foundation unless you feed them heavily (Gallons, not quarts). When you do feed them, it is necessary to do it for a few weeks prior to placing on the foundation so that egg laying will increase, thus giving the hive the proper age of bees for wax secretion. Bees that produce wax are usually two to three weeks old. Something you might want to try, if the two necessities are met as mentioned earlier, is to take some comb from another hive (3 or 4 frames) and space them in such a manner that a bulk of the foundation has some comb beside it. Having some nicely drawn comb beside the foundation will persuade them to do a better job since it decreases the amount of space they have to build burr comb. Usually, bees will not connect burr comb to strait, well-made comb. Bees, like humans, have their personalities--some over do things while others do just enough to get by. Sometimes a hive does not want to build strait comb no matter what foundation you use or the beekeeping tricks you employ. This has simply to do with the genetics and traits that the queen carries to her offspring. The only way to solve this is simply requeening. Many people want to blame foundation for the labyrinth of comb that is created in some supers. It is easier to blame an inanimate object for the screw up then to simply acknowledge that you, I, or anyone simply made a mistake. I add this in as commentary for those who hate Duragilt and blame it for their problems. Christopher Petree Article 34663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:06:17 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.91.0d X-Server-Date: 10 Jun 2003 14:06:18 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34663 Hi, Christopher, and thanks for your input > 1. Spacing: Foundation should always be started in the tightest possible > condition (i.e. all ten frames placed in the super or surrounded by comb in > the case of someone replacing an old frame or two). Too much space, usually, > if not always, equals burr comb. > I started with 9 frames, so I wonder if that may be part of the problem... > > > > Bees, like humans, have their personalities--some over do things while > others do just enough to get by. Sometimes a hive does not want to build > strait comb no matter what foundation you use or the beekeeping tricks you > employ. This has simply to do with the genetics and traits that the queen > carries to her offspring. The only way to solve this is simply requeening. I've wondered about this... I used the same foundation with this colony that I used with others that drew beautiful comb. These girls just seem hell bent on drawing two sided comb attached to, but off, the foundation. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oleander Blooms Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:32:44 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ee5eb47$0$227@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.36.181.226 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1055255367 227 196.36.181.226 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34664 Nah....it's a well known fact (I stand to be corrected) that oleander nectar can produce toxic honey....the extend to which this happens from one tree is difficult to know. D. "TRIKER" wrote in message news:FO7Fa.342$Yv4.16876@eagle.america.net... > No problem, Oleander made decent honey > "James Avila" wrote in message > news:vdtmf8g312vu98@corp.supernews.com... > We have a large oleander in bloom near the hive. Is there any concern with > the honey becoming toxic? I'm sure that I'm not the only beekeeper with > oleander in the area and I really haven't heard anything on this topic. > > Thanks! > James > > > Article 34665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:49:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3ee6523f.20162450@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip149.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34665 On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:11:30 -0400, "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote: >My colony for some reason is dead set on drawing burr comb, rather than >comb directly off the foundation. They use the foundation, but then >draw it in such a way as the comb itself is two sided, off a bit from >the foundation. I'm using Duragilt, which is wax coated, and I wonder >if that's the problem. > >Any ideas anyone? About the why, and the what to do? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com They should have called it durapuke. I lost all respect for Dadant for selling that worthless product. beekeep Article 34666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:56:01 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3ee652de.20322204@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip149.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34666 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:42:51 GMT, "Christopher Petree" wrote: > >Many people want to blame foundation for the labyrinth of comb that is >created in some supers. It is easier to blame an inanimate object for the >screw up then to simply acknowledge that you, I, or anyone simply made a >mistake. I add this in as commentary for those who hate Duragilt and blame >it for their problems. > >Christopher Petree > > While I agree with most of your post I must take exception to the last paragraph. My complaint with durapuke is not when it is new but after it has been in the hive for several years. Once the wax comes off the plactic you can forget it. There is nothing you can do to make the bees redraw it. It is a total waste and must be replaced. Personally I like Ritecell. beekeep Article 34667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Dew of the Plains Apiaries Subject: Re: Top entrance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc303955.mw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3EE643DF.C906CE40@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> <3ee52a10.89464358@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:47:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 27 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34667 If the fluvalinate still works for you, then why are you using the checkmite? Billy Smart Rock, KS beekeep wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:52:14 GMT, b391gm wrote: > > >If the reason you are using checkmite is that your mites are resistant > >to fluvalinate, then they may also be resistant to checkmite. That > >discussion recently came up on BEE-L. It seems once they develop a > >resistance to one it is a only short time until they are resistant to > >the other. > > > >The oils and acids are temp/humidity dependant, so you should expect > >more erratic results than what you are used to with the miticides. > > > >Billy Smart > >Rock, KS > > I use the thymol in July which is pretty constant here, hot and dry. > Plus it is on for a long period of time. The fluvalinate goes on in > the fall when I am putting in the greese patties. > > beekeep Article 34668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Alan Schultz" From: "Alan Schultz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oleander Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:52:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.166.238.223 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1055299975 68.166.238.223 (Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:52:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:52:55 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34668 Is there not a Biblical story about how somebody killed their enemy camp with Oleander honey! I remember seeing a lot of oleander in Israel on a trip thjere several years back and will try to ask a friend who is a beekeeper and a world renowned expert in Avocado pollination...stay posted! Article 34669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oleander Honey Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:54:54 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1055307294.31170@spinics.net> References: X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34669 In article , Alan Schultz wrote: >Is there not a Biblical story about how somebody killed their enemy camp >with Oleander honey! I really don't know why anyone plants oleander. Article 34670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1055307294.31170@spinics.net> Subject: Re: Oleander Honey Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:35:01 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ee6e903$0$235@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.36.181.226 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1055320323 235 196.36.181.226 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!uunet.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34670 Basically it grows quickly and can grow in bad sandy soil.....Where I live they are planted on the divider of on highways. D. wrote in message news:1055307294.31170@spinics.net... > In article , > Alan Schultz wrote: > > >Is there not a Biblical story about how somebody killed their enemy camp > >with Oleander honey! > > I really don't know why anyone plants oleander. > Article 34671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: noel188@hotmail.com (Phil) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Date: 11 Jun 2003 03:19:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.160.12.120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055326744 6510 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2003 10:19:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2003 10:19:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34671 Does bee has a ear? Article 34672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:20:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ee7100d.68753700@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> <3ee52a10.89464358@news1.radix.net> <3EE643DF.C906CE40@NOSPAMyahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip192.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34672 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:47:27 GMT, Dew of the Plains Apiaries wrote: >If the fluvalinate still works for you, then why are you using the >checkmite? > >Billy Smart >Rock, KS I though that by adding another treatment would help reduce resistance development even further. beekeep Article 34673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Abuse-Report: abuse@usenetrocket.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:48:16 GMT Lines: 11 From: jsclar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees near mailbox X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.litech.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.usenetrocket.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34673 For several weeks I have seen one or two bumblebees hovering around my mailbox. However, I have never seen them land on it or the post it is mounted on, and there is no obvious evidence of any nest construction in the box or the wood post. The mailbox is the ordinary white-painted metal type. Do the bees think it is some kind of bee-god (joke) or what is going on? No real problem except yesterday the mail carrier didn't deliver the mail because she was afraid of the bee. Thanks in advance. Article 34674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Message-ID: <7cgeev4s151riku7nvq5gdc4vcc3ui1ssd@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:38:21 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:50:13 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34674 On 11 Jun 2003 03:19:04 -0700, noel188@hotmail.com (Phil) wrote: >Does bee has a ear? No, bees do not have ears. They communicate by sight and smell. Article 34675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tmobrien1@sympatico.ca (Tom OBrien) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top Bar Hives Date: 11 Jun 2003 13:04:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <555e19ae.0306111204.71d86325@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.244.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055361894 3608 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2003 20:04:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2003 20:04:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34675 Where may I find discussions/boards pertaining to top bar hives? Thank You Tom Article 34676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE7B0A1.C9869C27@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:43:45 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives References: <555e19ae.0306111204.71d86325@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.70 X-Trace: sv3-HPQ+YP/yr8vv6GgFd2CxX8kcl4LlO4OPBDhi4P7LV5c1gv2ZsoPfndkDw5ZRZtnRosDTaUol9q6HFkj!le/UowZVSSOTCHBNugDbd6eCqJ2btwyIupqb8fQYrsfAMrdGOv87cj38PtMyTbWddeG4Hw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34676 Tom OBrien wrote: > > Where may I find discussions/boards pertaining to top bar hives? > > Thank You > > Tom Boards??? whazzat?? I haven't been to these links for quite a while so can't say how many are still valid, but you might find them to be a good starting point AL http://beetalk.tripod.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/TopBarHives http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/wkngtbh.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/jimmy.htm http://apiculture.com/articles/ktbh.htm http://cihla.fsv.cvut.cz/~vydra/TBH.HTM http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/PGIBB5.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/comphive.htm http://www.rossrounds.com/honeybee/fairview/Slideshow/21.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/marty.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbhplan.gif http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/my_tbh.html http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://beetalk.tripod.com/tbh.htm http://www.apis.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/newsletters/December-97.html#TBH http://SunSITE.tus.ac.jp/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/general/management/top_bar_faqs/ Article 34677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: swarmcatcher@hotmail.com (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thief uses bees to sting Kmart Date: 11 Jun 2003 18:53:08 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.19.198.81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055382793 20459 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2003 01:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2003 01:53:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34677 Employees at the Sedalia Kmart were left to fight off a restroom full of bees as a thief made off with about $60 in stolen goods Monday. The Sedalia Police Department received a phone call at 4:18 p.m. from a staff member at the Kmart store, at 1400 S. Limit Ave., who reported that a man had concealed several stolen items while in the men's bathroom. It appears the man then released about 100 bees, apparently small honeybees, in the room and fled the store in the commotion that followed, according to police reports. complete story at: http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/277917914784961.htm __________________________________________ Beekeeping in the News at www.hivetool.com __________________________________________ Article 34678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thief uses bees to sting Kmart Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 04:47:01 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1055393220.138433@spinics.net> References: X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34678 In article , Barry Richards wrote: >Employees at the Sedalia Kmart were left to fight off a restroom full >of bees as a thief made off with about $60 in stolen goods Monday. A whole $60? LOL! Article 34679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Marty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top Bar Hives Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:46:03 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <555e19ae.0306111204.71d86325@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-757.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34679 http://www.beesource.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000012.html "Tom OBrien" wrote in message news:555e19ae.0306111204.71d86325@posting.google.com... > Where may I find discussions/boards pertaining to top bar hives? > > Thank You > > Tom Article 34680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 16 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: Top Bar Hives Message-ID: <1055452475.121.1055368179@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:14:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.157.220.2 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1055452646 195.157.220.2 (Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:17:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:17:26 BST Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34680 On Jun 11, 2003 09:04pm, TMOBRIEN1@SYMPATICO.CA wrote to ALL: Hi Tom, Try http://www.beesfordevelopment.org Regards Steve > Where may I find discussions/boards pertaining to top bar hives? > Thank You > Tom ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 34681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: ooffy@aol.com (Ooffy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2003 01:52:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees Message-ID: <20030612215223.08597.00001369@mb-m24.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34681 Not in the sense that we think of ears. BUT, honey bees to have sensors located between the head and thorax and the thorax and the abdomen that are used by the bees to geo-orient (up-down, right-left). These sensors also respond to low frequencies (sub-200Hz). Article 34682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nicka Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wild bees question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:37:01 +0100 Organization: Oxford University, England Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 1055515021 20802 163.1.22.74 (13 Jun 2003 14:37:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34682 Hi - I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me. I live in the UK and yesterday noticed a 'mound' of moss in some long grass near to my front door. This seemed odd and while examining it a bee flew out of it. On closer study I realised it was a nest and I am wondering whether I should do anything since it is rather close to my home entrance. My question is basically how 'dangerous' this might be. The bees are smallish and brown. Do they sting? Will the nest grow large? any advice would be appreciated - I think my wife would prefer it not to be there... nick/oxford Article 34683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:43:30 +0100 Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.184.126 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1055544553 29217 217.135.184.126 (13 Jun 2003 22:49:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2003 22:49:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34683 Nick These are bumblebees. Some live underground, or in cavities (like bird boxes) but some live on the surface like those that you have. They are called carder bees because of the way that they make their nest from moss. The nest is only annual - they will produce new queens and drones towards the end of the summer and the queens will then hibernate ready to start the cycle next year; the rest of the nest will then die out, probably by September. Likely maximum population will be around 100, and you are therefore unlikely to see more than 4 or 5 at a time going in or out. Although they can sting, they are very docile and unlikely to do so unless you really stirred them up by disturbing the nest. Bumblebees are extremely valuable pollinators and are having a very rough time these days with loss of habitat, agricultural sprays etc. So live and let live, count yourself privileged that you have them in your garden and enjoy watching them for the next couple of months. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "nicka" wrote in message news:3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk... > Hi - I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me. > > I live in the UK and yesterday noticed a 'mound' of moss in some long > grass near to my > front door. This seemed odd and while examining it a bee flew out of > it. > On closer study I realised it was a nest and I am wondering whether I > should > do anything since it is rather close to my home entrance. > > My question is basically how 'dangerous' this might be. The bees are > smallish and brown. > Do they sting? Will the nest grow large? > > any advice would be appreciated - I think my wife would prefer it not to > be there... > > nick/oxford > > > > Article 34686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:59:34 +0100 Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.7.61.39 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.7.61.39 Message-ID: <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> X-Trace: 14 Jun 2003 15:55:14 -0700, 81.7.61.39 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.greennet.net!81.7.61.39 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34686 Bumble Bees are now protected by law so they may not, under any circumstances, be poisoned. If you wish to move them simply mark the area and return at night with a spade and a shoe box. Mark out the whole area of the nest and then carefully remove it. Plkace it in the shoe box, in which you have already made a hole, about two pence size, and place the box under a hedge in a more convenient position. They do not fly after dark and so that is a safe time to move them IF move them you must. If you do not fancy doing the job yourself then your local council can probablly put you in touch with a beekeeper who will help. Regards Freddie Cooke. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:bcdkda$sh1$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Nick > > These are bumblebees. Some live underground, or in cavities (like bird > boxes) but some live on the surface like those that you have. They are > called carder bees because of the way that they make their nest from moss. > > The nest is only annual - they will produce new queens and drones towards > the end of the summer and the queens will then hibernate ready to start the > cycle next year; the rest of the nest will then die out, probably by > September. Likely maximum population will be around 100, and you are > therefore unlikely to see more than 4 or 5 at a time going in or out. > > Although they can sting, they are very docile and unlikely to do so unless > you really stirred them up by disturbing the nest. Bumblebees are extremely > valuable pollinators and are having a very rough time these days with loss > of habitat, agricultural sprays etc. So live and let live, count yourself > privileged that you have them in your garden and enjoy watching them for the > next couple of months. > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > "nicka" wrote in message > news:3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk... > > Hi - I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me. > > > > I live in the UK and yesterday noticed a 'mound' of moss in some long > > grass near to my > > front door. This seemed odd and while examining it a bee flew out of > > it. > > On closer study I realised it was a nest and I am wondering whether I > > should > > do anything since it is rather close to my home entrance. > > > > My question is basically how 'dangerous' this might be. The bees are > > smallish and brown. > > Do they sting? Will the nest grow large? > > > > any advice would be appreciated - I think my wife would prefer it not to > > be there... > > > > nick/oxford > > > > > > > > > > Article 34687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "vinel10" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1055307294.31170@spinics.net> <3ee6e903$0$235@hades.is.co.za> Subject: Re: Oleander Honey Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:27:49 -0400 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.90.92.115 Message-ID: <3eeba29a_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1055629978 63.90.92.115 (14 Jun 2003 17:32:58 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34687 the oleander is very poisonus even the smoke so dont even think of cooking or smelling the smoke best of all dont burn it either i dont know any thing about olender honey I have seen honey bee's on the flowers in west central florida "Daniel Fiske" wrote in message news:3ee6e903$0$235@hades.is.co.za... > Basically it grows quickly and can grow in bad sandy soil.....Where I live > they are planted on the divider of on highways. > > D. > > wrote in message news:1055307294.31170@spinics.net... > > In article , > > Alan Schultz wrote: > > > > >Is there not a Biblical story about how somebody killed their enemy camp > > >with Oleander honey! > > > > I really don't know why anyone plants oleander. > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:11:11 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.171.168 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1055664707 19259 217.135.171.168 (15 Jun 2003 08:11:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2003 08:11:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34688 "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message news:3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net... > Bumble Bees are now protected by law This is often quoted and I would like to think that they are, but I have been unable to find the relevant law. Can you advise on which law protects them? This may be of interest: http://www.lbp.org.uk/action/statements/ssbumble.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 34689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EEC74CE.3000907@ntlworld.com> From: "stuart.cameron" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: woodstain/preservative UK beekeeper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:29:50 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.6.36.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1055683653 80.6.36.65 (Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:27:33 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:27:33 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34689 Hi, Has anyone used any woodstains succesfully on their hives other than Cuprinol Clear? I have some second hand hives and I'm not entirely sure of what wood they are made from so I thought I would preserve them and make them look good in one go. BTW I dont want to use creosote. Thanks in advance for any advice. Stuart Article 34690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nicka Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:42:51 +0100 Organization: Oxford University, England Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3EEC77DB.C9D59CC3@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 1055684571 25592 163.1.22.74 (15 Jun 2003 13:42:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:42:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!oshean-news.uri.edu!128.230.129.112.MISMATCH!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34690 - thanks for the info guys. (-isn't the internet great!!) I will look forward to observing the little fellows over the summer. Regarding the name 'Bumble Bee', I always thought that was what the big black bees were called...... - they look so different - what are they then? thanks again nick Article 34691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:19:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3eece2be.450368107@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> <3EEC77DB.C9D59CC3@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34691 On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:42:51 +0100, nicka wrote: >- thanks for the info guys. (-isn't the internet great!!) > >I will look forward to observing the little fellows over the summer. > >Regarding the name 'Bumble Bee', I always thought that was what the >big black bees were called...... > >- they look so different - what are they then? > >thanks again >nick > > I thought you guys called them humble bees. beekeep Article 34692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: woodstain/preservative UK beekeeper Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:34:10 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <3EEC74CE.3000907@ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.129.43 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1055716969 18508 217.135.129.43 (15 Jun 2003 22:42:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2003 22:42:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34692 Cuprinol coloured? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "stuart.cameron" wrote in message news:3EEC74CE.3000907@ntlworld.com... > Hi, > Has anyone used any woodstains succesfully on their hives other than > Cuprinol Clear? I have some second hand hives and I'm not entirely sure > of what wood they are made from so I thought I would preserve them and > make them look good in one go. BTW I dont want to use creosote. Thanks > in advance for any advice. > Stuart > Article 34693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:40:57 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> <3EEC77DB.C9D59CC3@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.129.43 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1055716970 18508 217.135.129.43 (15 Jun 2003 22:42:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2003 22:42:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34693 There are 19 different bumble bees in the UK, although I think one (at least) may now be extinct). Probably no more than 6 of these are fairly common. The very large ones that you see in the early spring are the overwintered queens. Once they have established a nest and have workers they will remain in the nest. The first workers are very small because food supplies are poor, but later ones will be bigger. Colour varies according to the species and also between queen, worker, and drone. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "nicka" wrote in message news:3EEC77DB.C9D59CC3@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk... > - thanks for the info guys. (-isn't the internet great!!) > > I will look forward to observing the little fellows over the summer. > > Regarding the name 'Bumble Bee', I always thought that was what the > big black bees were called...... > > - they look so different - what are they then? > > thanks again > nick > > Article 34694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:42:14 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> <3EEC77DB.C9D59CC3@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eece2be.450368107@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.129.43 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1055716971 18508 217.135.129.43 (15 Jun 2003 22:42:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2003 22:42:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34694 > I thought you guys called them humble bees. > > beekeep > Maybe 100 years or so ago! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 34695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "WPC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Starting up Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:39:44 +0100 Organization: The University of Birmingham news server Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: med872.bham.ac.uk X-Trace: sun3.bham.ac.uk 1055767175 25598 147.188.63.167 (16 Jun 2003 12:39:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sun3.bham.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:39:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!news.bham.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34695 Sorry if I should be looking elsewhere, but what is the correct time of year to start a hive, presumably with a nucleus. I have access to a couple of empty hives, the traditional shape with double walls, and a large garden with varied flowering plants located in Birmingham. Article 34696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm with a bit of sense Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:50 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.16.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1055774263 62.255.16.120 (Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:37:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:37:43 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34696 To my great suprise a swarm has this afternoon entered an empty hive stacked up in the shed. Suprise because my own bees are miles away enjoying a field of beans. I may as well keep them now, but I obviously don't want them in the shed. Did I read somewhere that I can move them still 100yds out into the apiary without losing too many? Do I need to move them tonight or have I got a few days? Do I need to do it in the evening? I haven't got home yet but I doubt they have tidily entered a brood chamber with foundation. Doubtless they are all among the odd supers and empty boxes, If I can move the queen will the stragglers follow 100yds? Tim W Article 34697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Dew of the Plains Apiaries Subject: Re: Top entrance X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc303955.mw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3EEDD198.5E223F7C@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> <3ee52a10.89464358@news1.radix.net> <3EE643DF.C906CE40@NOSPAMyahoo.com> <3ee7100d.68753700@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:18:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34697 Yea, I used to think the same thing too. But it turns out that this is not the case. There is recent research out there that shows once the mites become resistant to one it is only a short time before they turn up resistant to the other. Because of this, I don't believe that alternating the treatments will buy you that much more time. I am lucky so far in that my mites are not yet resistant to apistan. I'm wary of those organophosphates so I hope to never have to use checkmite. My hope is they will either have the acid/oil treatment method worked out and/or they will get the bugs worked out of the SMR queens. (no pun intended!) Billy Smart Rock, KS > > > >I though that by adding another treatment would help reduce resistance > >development even further. > > > >beekeep > > > > > > It would be better to alternate treatments each year rather than to > treat with all treatments each year. > > ie. Checkmite one year, fluvalinate the next, then thymol the next > (and repeat). Thereby giving the the mites a smaller chance of > developing resistance by repeated dosages of the same drug. > > Treating with all 3 every year may help at first, but is really just > selectivly breeding for resistance to all 3 drugs at once. > > In many (most?) locations, one treatment per year is all that is > necessary. Though IPM and only treating when necessary is the best > option (And even then you could rotate treatments to reduce > resistance) > > -Tim Article 34698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Starting up Message-ID: <8m6sev83h4598uiue8vf5n7qd5kjle8evm@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:19:08 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:31:08 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!4.24.21.153!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34698 On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:39:44 +0100, "WPC" wrote: >Sorry if I should be looking elsewhere, but what is the correct time of year >to start a hive, presumably with a nucleus. I have access to a couple of >empty hives, the traditional shape with double walls, and a large garden >with varied flowering plants located in Birmingham. > The best time to start a new hive with an nuc is early spring, and even then, you must feed them until they are strong enough to make it on their own. The worst time is fall, after the honey flow, then you have to nurse them all through the winter. Article 34699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm with a bit of sense Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:23:07 EDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:35:07 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!peer02.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!rip!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34699 On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:50 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" wrote: >To my great suprise a swarm has this afternoon entered an empty hive >stacked up in the shed. Suprise because my own bees are miles away >enjoying a field of beans. I may as well keep them now, but I obviously >don't want them in the shed. > >Did I read somewhere that I can move them still 100yds out into the >apiary without losing too many? Do I need to move them tonight or have I >got a few days? Do I need to do it in the evening? I haven't got home >yet but I doubt they have tidily entered a brood chamber with >foundation. Doubtless they are all among the odd supers and empty boxes, >If I can move the queen will the stragglers follow 100yds? > >Tim W > It's quite common for a swarm to congregate in an empty hive, especially if the hive contains old brood comb which savesthe new colony from having to build their own house. They just move in to a ready-made until, except for the clean up. I've read and been told by the experts that you can move a hive either 3 ft, or 3 miles, without a problem. Using the three foot limit, it took me a couple of weeks to move a hive about 75 feet. It seems logical that you can stretch the 3 feet limit a bit, if you're moving the hive in a linear direction. Article 34700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030529 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: minnestoa hygenic queen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:26:00 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.72.99 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1055841962 213.142.72.99 (Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:26:02 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:26:02 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34700 Alan Schultz skrev: > Wondering what is the experience of American beekeepers with the Minnesota > Hygienic. Two of my hives have an awful lot of drone comb, 2 are OK > > Try to find the drone egg laying queens and replace them with a new one.. Article 34701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Swarm with a bit of sense Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:13:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.16.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1055852102 62.255.16.106 (Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:15:02 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:15:02 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34701 "Charles" wrote in message news:vo6sevsk2e4rs6h9vilfs5dm8lvl3pg2hu@4ax.com... > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:50 +0100, "Tim Whittingham" > > > > It's quite common for a swarm to congregate in an empty hive, > especially if the hive contains old brood comb which savesthe new > colony from having to build their own house. They just move in to a > ready-made until, except for the clean up. > > I've read and been told by the experts that you can move a hive either > 3 ft, or 3 miles, without a problem. Using the three foot limit, it > took me a couple of weeks to move a hive about 75 feet. It seems > logical that you can stretch the 3 feet limit a bit, if you're moving > the hive in a linear direction. > Yes, this was more moving a swarm which happened to be in a hive than moving a hive. I got them organised in the evening with a floor and a roof and stood them near the shed and they all seemed to go inside. They were moved late last night the 100yds and this morning a couple of dozen bees had returned to the shed and were looking confused but I think all will be well. Tim W Article 34702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Starting up Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:33:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.4.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1055853290 62.255.4.79 (Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:34:50 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:34:50 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34702 "WPC" wrote in message news:bckdq7$ovu$1@sun3.bham.ac.uk... > Sorry if I should be looking elsewhere, but what is the correct time of year > to start a hive, presumably with a nucleus. I have access to a couple of > empty hives, the traditional shape with double walls, and a large garden > with varied flowering plants located in Birmingham. > > If you took your cue from nature bees in the uk are most active setting up new colonies by swarming in May, June, & July. If you wanted to enjoy a complete first season you would want a nucleus earlier. If you want to be sure of having at least some honey this year you should not wait much beyond the end of this month but all dates are approximate and it all depends on the weather and the strength of the stock. If you contact local beekeepers or the local association you would be likely to find someone who would assist you in hiving a swarm and if you are lucky you will get a laying queen and a good number of bees for nothing. Often beekeepers agree to remove swarms for neighbours and friends of friends when they don't even want the bees, especially this year. Worth getting the hive ready, making sure you have the right clothing and reading a book or two in advance. Tim W Article 34703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> <3ee1e224.1794407465@news1.radix.net> <504d7af0.0306080633.6e19e045@posting.google.com> <3ee3ae71.29937296@news1.radix.net> <3EE4D75E.6D289849@boeing.com> <3ee52a10.89464358@news1.radix.net> <3EE643DF.C906CE40@NOSPAMyahoo.com> <3ee7100d.68753700@news1.radix.net> <3EEDD198.5E223F7C@NOSPAMyahoo.com> Subject: Re: Top entrance Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3TKHa.218108$ro6.5900866@news2.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:29:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1055881791 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:29:51 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:29:51 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34703 Bill I had a big problem with Varroa and found some great info on this site. http://www.members.shaw.ca/orioleln/ There is no resistant possible. ------------------- "Dew of the Plains Apiaries" wrote in message news:3EEDD198.5E223F7C@NOSPAMyahoo.com... > Yea, I used to think the same thing too. But it turns out that this is > not the case. There is recent research out there that shows once the > mites become resistant to one it is only a short time before they turn > up resistant to the other. Because of this, I don't believe that > alternating the treatments will buy you that much more time. > > I am lucky so far in that my mites are not yet resistant to apistan. I'm > wary of those organophosphates so I hope to never have to use checkmite. > My hope is they will either have the acid/oil treatment method worked > out and/or they will get the bugs worked out of the SMR queens. (no pun > intended!) > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS > > > > > > >I though that by adding another treatment would help reduce resistance > > >development even further. > > > > > >beekeep > > > > > > > > > > It would be better to alternate treatments each year rather than to > > treat with all treatments each year. > > > > ie. Checkmite one year, fluvalinate the next, then thymol the next > > (and repeat). Thereby giving the the mites a smaller chance of > > developing resistance by repeated dosages of the same drug. > > > > Treating with all 3 every year may help at first, but is really just > > selectivly breeding for resistance to all 3 drugs at once. > > > > In many (most?) locations, one treatment per year is all that is > > necessary. Though IPM and only treating when necessary is the best > > option (And even then you could rotate treatments to reduce > > resistance) > > > > -Tim Article 34704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wild bees question Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:20:45 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3EE9E18C.3C100CDF@pcred1.earth.ox.ac.uk> <3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.139.164 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1055957996 25887 217.135.139.164 (18 Jun 2003 17:39:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2003 17:39:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34704 Just to tidy up on this one, I emailed DEFRA and they advise that bumblebees are not protected by law. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message > news:3eeba7d2@news.greennet.net... > > Bumble Bees are now protected by law Article 34705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Walters" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Uniting a colony Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:57:29 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.136.155.141 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1056009520 29327 62.136.155.141 (19 Jun 2003 07:58:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2003 07:58:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34705 Hi I recently had2 colonies swarm with no brood in either. One colony now has brood, so obviously the Virgin Queen has mated and is now laying, but I'm concerned about the other colony that has not had brood for 2 weeks now. Should I unite it, or wait another week and if I unite with newspaper excatly how do I do it, and as each has a super on but no honey how do I unite these bees? How long before I can put the 2 brood boxes into one and hopefully get some honey in the supers? I live in Hampshire UK and would be grateful for advice please. Many Thanks. Article 34706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Putting Duragilt in the frame Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:51:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ef1958c.758266123@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip183.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34706 On 18 Jun 2003 22:34:49 -0700, connie@lightspeed.net (Connie) wrote: >How do I put duragilt into the grooved frame? I put the frame together >first and had to bend the metal sides of the duragilt to get it in. >Not pretty. Am I suppose to have the duragilt in before I nail the >frame together? Should I be using wedge frames? Thanks for any advice >you can offer? Your best bet is to burn the duraguilt and buy some good foundation that will give you years of service. beekeep Article 34707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.220.142 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Fooling bees Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <28lIa.263988$Vi5.6927124@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:02:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1056038526 24.64.223.206 (Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:06 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:02:06 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34707 Well, the idea with the mirror works great for my bees I have one in each hive. Before the girls going to work they brushing teeth and using make up every morning. I catch some mites and believed or not they have sunglasses. "Barry Richards" wrote in message news:a794407.0306190517.5e41ca8a@posting.google.com... > From the Globe and Mail: > > Fooling bees > > "To rid their bees of infestations with mites," the New Scientist > says, "apiarists needn't use pesticides, thanks to a new idea from > Finnish company Urpo Vainio. A mirrored sheet is placed inside the > beehive, with the surface angled to catch light coming into the hive > from the opening through which bees enter the hive. This confuses them > and they rush at the mirror, where they hit a protective mesh > suspended in front of it. The shock of impact detaches the mites, > which fall down through the mesh onto a tray, which is periodically > pulled out and cleaned by the beekeeper." > > __________________________________________ > Beekeeping In The News at www.hivetool.com Article 34708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fooling bees Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:40:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3ef20383.786411074@news1.radix.net> References: <28lIa.263988$Vi5.6927124@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip170.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34708 On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:02:06 GMT, "Beeguy" wrote: >Well, the idea with the mirror works great for my bees I have one in each >hive. >Before the girls going to work they brushing teeth and using make up every >morning. I catch some mites and believed or not they have sunglasses. I bet that's one hell of a line to the bathroom! beekeep Article 34709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re Uniting a colony Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:42:04 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3ef203cf.786487282@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip170.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.184.165.233!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34709 On 19 Jun 2003 16:17:38 GMT, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: >On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:57:29 +0100, "Christopher Walters" > wrote: > >>Hi >>I recently had2 colonies swarm with no brood in either. One colony now has >>brood, so obviously the Virgin Queen has mated and is now laying, but I'm >>concerned about the other colony that has not had brood for 2 weeks now. >>Should I unite it, or wait another week and if I unite with newspaper >>excatly how do I do it, and as each has a super on but no honey how do I >>unite these bees? >>How long before I can put the 2 brood boxes into one and hopefully get some >>honey in the supers? > >You didn't say wich colony had brood. The parent or the swarm? >If the swarm has brood and the parent does not, the it's still >possible that the parent has a virgin who has not started laying yet. >I've had it take more than two weeks at times. Not the norm, but it >has happend on occasion. I've read that a virgin can wait up to 3 >weeks to mate (due to inclimate weather, etc.) > >Now the parent has brood and the swarm does now, the it's more likely >the old queen was lost. > >Assuming one hive is truely queenless, you should be able to reunite >them now with no problems. All the hatching brood has freed up space >reducing the congestion so combining them will not likely cause >another swarm. Just put one colony on top of the other separated >with a piece of newspaper with a slit in it.) > >-Tim Just don't use the funny sheets. They get to laughing so hard it shakes the hive apart. beekeep Article 34710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re Uniting a colony Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:31:15 +0100 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.190.146 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1056061939 9260 217.135.190.146 (19 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34710 Can take up to a month (usually less) before a new queen starts to lay in a colony which has swarmed, so do not be in a hurry to write it off. There are several signs that will help you decide if it is queenless or not: Look in the empty cells in the middle of the broodnest. If there are large patches of polished cells then they are preparing them for your new queen to lay, if all the cells are dull then they may be queenless. How are the bees behaving? Queenless bees stand on the comb and fan - they appear listless and seem to have no purpose. Are they foraging? Although a colony without brood may not work as hard as a 'normal' colony, they will work much more than one that is hopelessly queenless. Listen to the sound that they make - a hopelessly queenless colony (i.e. no queen and no brood to make one) makes almost a dull moaning noise, unlike the hum of a queenright colony. Or you could look for a queen ... Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Christopher Walters" wrote in message news:bcrqfg$skf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Hi > I recently had2 colonies swarm with no brood in either. One colony now has > brood, so obviously the Virgin Queen has mated and is now laying, but I'm > concerned about the other colony that has not had brood for 2 weeks now. > Should I unite it, or wait another week and if I unite with newspaper > excatly how do I do it, and as each has a super on but no honey how do I > unite these bees? > How long before I can put the 2 brood boxes into one and hopefully get some > honey in the supers? > I live in Hampshire UK and would be grateful for advice please. > Many Thanks. > > Article 34711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fooling bees Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:29:49 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1056068989.293077@spinics.net> References: <28lIa.263988$Vi5.6927124@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> <3ef20383.786411074@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34711 In article <3ef20383.786411074@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >I bet that's one hell of a line to the bathroom! Damn, you owe me a keyboard! -- http://www.spinics.net/bee/ Article 34715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EF4BE3F.4080102@ntlworld.com> From: "stuart.cameron" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rewoodstain/preservative UK beekeeper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:21:19 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.6.36.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1056226725 80.6.36.65 (Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:18:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:18:45 BST Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34715 Peter, Thanks very much for the reply. Before I could stain my hive a swarm came into my garden, perhaps attracted by the second hand hives I bought. The bees flew onto a rhododendron bush...I sprayed them with water and knocked them into a box and walked them up an old sheet into the hive. I only had 5 frames ready with foundation (as I was expecting to get a nuc in the next two weeks) That all happened yesterday. I added 5 extra frames today and they seem happy to stay. I will probaly stain my spare hives and then swap them when I get a chance and certanly before the winter. Thanks again for the info Stuart Peter Hampson wrote: > A very experienced beekeeper whose apiary I visited last week (nr. Stafford, > U.K.) told me that he uses Wickes own brand wood preservative. Apparently > they produce two kinds, one with a woodworm killer and one without. The > latter is safe to use on hive woodwork - even though it says on the tin that > it should not be used where there are bees. (He believes that the label > says this simply because they use the same tins for both kinds of > preservative and haven't bothered to change the printing.) He regularly > paints the boxes on one day (it is very quick drying) and installs the bees > the next perfectly safely. N.B. I have not yet tried it myself so cannot > vouch for it personally - though I do intend to use it next time I need to > waterproof a hive. > Peter Hampson (Shropshire Beekeeper) > > Article 34716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Beetle" <~scaileyborer~@~bigfoot~.~com~> Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie question: sugar vs honey Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dial81-135-10-197.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: sparta.btinternet.com 1056261337 19 81.135.10.197 (22 Jun 2003 05:55:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:55:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1168 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34716 Hi All, When it comes to giving bees food why is a sugar solution given to them rather than honey? 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Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 Article 34717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie question: sugar vs honey Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:16:43 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <7fe11997.0306220929.768be57d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 44.a6.4b.5d X-Server-Date: 23 Jun 2003 00:18:18 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1171 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34717 In article <7fe11997.0306220929.768be57d@posting.google.com>, kadney@turbotek.net (Ken) wrote: > > When it comes to giving bees food why is a sugar solution given to them > > rather than honey? > > -It's cheaper > -It's readily available in any quantity > -It's pure (i.e. uncontaminated by foulbrood or other spores) > > Honey from your own hive would be the preferable food (which is why we > leave a bunch on over the winter) but if the bees eat the honey we > don't get the profits... Also, if you're talking about giving them store-bought honey, it's pasteurized, and will sicken or kill the bees. At least that's what I've read. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Brian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive question? Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:19:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.26.40.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1056395961 66.26.40.44 (Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:19:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:19:21 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34718 Can someone tell me the purpose of an inner hive cover? I believe that's what you call it. It's basically a board with a hole in the center between the top of the hive and the hive body or super. I've seen some hives with and some without but never thought to ask why you need one, until now :) Brian Warner Article 34719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:55:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ef76910.1140019470@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip170.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34719 On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:19:21 GMT, "Brian" wrote: >Can someone tell me the purpose of an inner hive cover? I believe that's >what you call it. It's basically a board with a hole in the center between >the top of the hive and the hive body or super. I've seen some hives with >and some without but never thought to ask why you need one, until now :) > >Brian Warner > > > It allows you th remove the telescoping cover. beekeep Article 34720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "pinoglo" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: want to buy hive in MD or from nearby states Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:27:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.67.200.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1056403664 68.67.200.61 (Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:27:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:27:44 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34720 Hi, I would like to buy one hive. I'm in MD, but I can drive to adjacent states. ...please reply to corcos13@yahoo.com thanks damon Article 34721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3EF7D5D1.8C5D187E@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:38:41 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? 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I believe that's > >what you call it. It's basically a board with a hole in the center between > >the top of the hive and the hive body or super. I've seen some hives with > >and some without but never thought to ask why you need one, until now :) > > > >Brian Warner > > > > > > > It allows you th remove the telescoping cover. > > beekeep I can remove my telescoping cover, and I don't use inner covers. The only possible use I can imagine for an inner cover would be to support one of those leaky inverted feeder buckets/jars. AL Article 34722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? From: resting@home.net References: X-Newsreader: News Rover 8.2.2 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Lines: 4 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:43:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.194.22.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk X-Trace: news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk 1056444173 80.194.22.173 (Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:42:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:42:53 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34722 You can puff a bit of smoke across the hole to move the bees down the hive before you expose the tops of the frames. Steve Article 34723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 07:31:19 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive question? 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(West Texas) Mark wrote in message news:haUJa.806$4T2.698@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... You can puff a bit of smoke across the hole to move the bees down the hive before you expose the tops of the frames. Steve Article 34724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EF87AEF.920668DA@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:23:11 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.72 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056472383 66.20.227.72 (24 Jun 2003 11:33:03 -0500) Lines: 29 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. 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Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.superfeed.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34724 me wrote: > > I cut a notch on the bottom, front edge to make another entrance and create > ventilation. > > (West Texas) Mark > > wrote in message > news:haUJa.806$4T2.698@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... > You can puff a bit of smoke across the hole to move the bees down the hive > before you expose the tops of the frames. > > Steve I remove the inner cover and set the tele-cover on with one edge sitting on the edge of the hove body. Provides for good ventilation and nice sized openings to puff smoke in before removing the tele-cover. Inner covers - worthless. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:08:55 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:19:00 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news3.optonline.net!rip!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34725 The purpose of the inner cover is to be able to keep the hive partially covered while you are working with the bees. By opening only that portion of the hive that you are dealing with at the moment, you avoid stirring up the rest of the hive. It is a useful control method. Charles, Cary, NC On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:19:21 GMT, "Brian" wrote: >Can someone tell me the purpose of an inner hive cover? I believe that's >what you call it. It's basically a board with a hole in the center between >the top of the hive and the hive body or super. I've seen some hives with >and some without but never thought to ask why you need one, until now :) > >Brian Warner > > Article 34726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EF8A9D8.10330447@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:43:20 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.105 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056484393 66.20.227.105 (24 Jun 2003 14:53:13 -0500) Lines: 24 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.superfeed.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34726 Charles wrote: > > The purpose of the inner cover is to be able to keep the hive > partially covered while you are working with the bees. By opening > only that portion of the hive that you are dealing with at the moment, > you avoid stirring up the rest of the hive. It is a useful control > method. > Charles, Cary, NC Interesting idea but not the least bit practical in practice. Of all the beekeeping demonstrations I've seen, and of all the videos I've watched, and of all the pics in bee books & mags I've seen, there has *never* been a single shot of anyone using the inner cover in the manner you suggest - and I definitely would not be inclined to use it that way. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive question? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:03:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.56.163.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1056492209 65.56.163.167 (Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:03:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:03:29 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34727 Contrary to what others say, the inner cover is not made for the hell of it and has many benefits that makes it far from worthless. The inner cover, by function, creates a dead air space for insulation from heat and cold. The center hole may be fitted with a bee escape to aid in removing bees from honey supers. It also, as mentioned in another post, provides a way to enter the hive without agitating the bees--it's far easier to pull off the bulky outer cover then, with a little smoke applied to the hole, remove the inner cover. An outer cover glued down to a hive body or super is hard to get off no matter what anyone says. It has other functions as well: space for pollen substitute feeding in the early spring, feeding sugar syrup, or, in a desperate situation, a place to apply sugar to a starving colony. I have found that it cuts down on the amount of moisture that could rain down on a colony during the winter months when the bees are in a cluster. Christopher Petree Article 34728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Brian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive question? 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Brian "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:RU3Ka.10906$C83.1075185@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Contrary to what others say, the inner cover is not made for the hell of it > and has many benefits that makes it far from worthless. The inner cover, by > function, creates a dead air space for insulation from heat and cold. The > center hole may be fitted with a bee escape to aid in removing bees from > honey supers. It also, as mentioned in another post, provides a way to enter > the hive without agitating the bees--it's far easier to pull off the bulky > outer cover then, with a little smoke applied to the hole, remove the inner > cover. An outer cover glued down to a hive body or super is hard to get off > no matter what anyone says. It has other functions as well: space for pollen > substitute feeding in the early spring, feeding sugar syrup, or, in a > desperate situation, a place to apply sugar to a starving colony. I have > found that it cuts down on the amount of moisture that could rain down on a > colony during the winter months when the bees are in a cluster. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 34729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tom Industries Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:01:48 -0400 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.192 Message-ID: <3ef8ea12_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056500242 209.23.5.192 (24 Jun 2003 19:17:22 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34729 Hi all, Looking through ABJ today (july 2003) and saw ad for mills from Tom Industries. Apparently Tom is making mills again. Glad he has recovered and working again. Thought I'd let everyone know. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive question? Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:00:52 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.192 Message-ID: <3ef8ea10_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056500240 209.23.5.192 (24 Jun 2003 19:17:20 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34730 Hi, Some beekeepers swear by inner covers and others at them. I prefer them but I also make them from 1/2 in. plywood to cut the costs to a minimum. I believe they do create a dead air space. Can double as a screen board for wintering nucs. Can be used for top entrance/ vent for those who don't put holes in boxes. Cause less stirring up of bees when removing. But as most things in beekeeping it is just another piece of equipment, you don't have to have one. Depends on your practices. No right or wrong really. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie question: sugar vs honey Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:49:12 -0400 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.192 Message-ID: <3ef8ea0d_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056500237 209.23.5.192 (24 Jun 2003 19:17:17 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!news.astraweb.com!news-small.astraweb.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1173 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34731 Hi, > > When it comes to giving bees food why is a sugar solution given to them > rather than honey? It is cheap for the most part. However there are many beekeepers such as myself that feed honey when necessary and do not use artificial feeds. Instead we manage our bees differently than is the standard advocated today. There is a different view here. I have honey, i must shuck out $$$ for sugar and must mix up, ect. The honey costs nothing out of my pocket directly. If left on the hive in the first place, it would have never been mine for the taking. So it is best to let the bees feed themselves. For biological practices check out my web page http://wave.prohosting.com/clay2720/ Hit the unlimited broodnest link. And the envelope method link. Ideally the best situation is well prepared bees and un-used feeders. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EF388FE.20700@thesitefights.com> Subject: Re: Putting Duragilt in the frame Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:08:53 -0400 Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.192 Message-ID: <3ef8ea32_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056500274 209.23.5.192 (24 Jun 2003 19:17:54 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34732 Yuck Duraguilt! I much prefer to use my own milled beeswax foundation. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:31:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3ef8fa00.1242616329@news1.radix.net> References: <3ef76910.1140019470@news1.radix.net> <3EF7D5D1.8C5D187E@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip146.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34733 On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:38:41 -0500, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> >> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:19:21 GMT, "Brian" wrote: >> >> >Can someone tell me the purpose of an inner hive cover? I believe that's >> >what you call it. It's basically a board with a hole in the center between >> >the top of the hive and the hive body or super. I've seen some hives with >> >and some without but never thought to ask why you need one, until now :) >> > >> >Brian Warner >> > >> > >> > >> It allows you th remove the telescoping cover. >> >> beekeep > > > >I can remove my telescoping cover, and I don't use inner covers. > >The only possible use I can imagine for an inner cover would be to >support one of those leaky inverted feeder buckets/jars. > > >AL Eventually you will get one glued down real good. The inner cover prevents this allowing you to put a puff of smoke into the hole before opening up the hive. It also gives you the proper bee space at the top. In addition you have space to place medications as well. Hell, all you really need is a chunk of plywood to cover the hive. Inner covers, crown boards for our friends on the other side of the pond, just make life easier and the equipment last a little longer. beekeep Article 34734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:35:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3ef8fc04.1243132759@news1.radix.net> References: <3EF87AEF.920668DA@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip146.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34734 On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:23:11 -0500, AL wrote: >me wrote: >> >> I cut a notch on the bottom, front edge to make another entrance and create >> ventilation. >> >> (West Texas) Mark >> >> wrote in message >> news:haUJa.806$4T2.698@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... >> You can puff a bit of smoke across the hole to move the bees down the hive >> before you expose the tops of the frames. >> >> Steve > > > >I remove the inner cover and set the tele-cover on with one edge sitting >on the edge of the hove body. Provides for good ventilation and nice >sized openings to puff smoke in before removing the tele-cover. > >Inner covers - worthless. > > >AL > If they were worthless commercial beekeepers wouldn't use them. Those that don't use migratory covers do. beekeep Article 34735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3EF918FF.F4EF8818@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:37:35 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive question? References: <3ef76910.1140019470@news1.radix.net> <3EF7D5D1.8C5D187E@hcis.net> <3ef8fa00.1242616329@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.226 X-Trace: sv3-sbLOlndpuIxON0zBhXNyMw89RglXXBPeCKGEAmfP7g5YnufiAZkebD+WV8NaSUE4ug+HhdC35D/MV5k!xshJkYG7duoIiau2xIQWL53H0IksWgiprKCXFYxM+1MXKrsihU93L+uKG2Kd1EZSXIFI+zk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34735 beekeep wrote: > Hell, all you really need is a chunk of plywood to cover the hive. *THAT* I totally agree with... (+ 2 bricks) AL Article 34736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BooBee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hanging Out Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:10:10 -0400 Organization: Storm Internet Services Lines: 14 Sender: allthings@dp-216-106-107-94.storm.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-216-106-107-94.storm.ca X-Trace: news.storm.ca 1056525140 20935 216.106.107.94 (25 Jun 2003 07:12:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@storm.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2003 07:12:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news.storm.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34736 Hi all, I am in Ottawa Canada and stopped at a 3 hive yard today to see how the bees were doing (It is someone elses yard and I was just looking - the Keeper is out of town right now). 2 of the hives had may 100s if not 1000s of bees on the outside of the hive! Looked like what you see when someone puts on a "Bee beard or helmat of bees". They were even packing down the grass around the hive on the ground! Why would so many bees be "hanging out"? PS. - It was very hot out - 30c (86f) or hotter Article 34737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hanging Out Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:27:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ef978fb.1275110747@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip185.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34737 On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:10:10 -0400, "BooBee" wrote: >Hi all, > >I am in Ottawa Canada and stopped at a 3 hive yard today to see how the bees >were doing (It is someone elses yard and I was just looking - the Keeper is >out of town right now). 2 of the hives had may 100s if not 1000s of bees on >the outside of the hive! Looked like what you see when someone puts on a >"Bee beard or helmat of bees". They were even packing down the grass around >the hive on the ground! > >Why would so many bees be "hanging out"? > >PS. - It was very hot out - 30c (86f) or hotter > > Why ask the question if you're going to answer it too? beekeep Article 34738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ef8ea0d_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: Newbie question: sugar vs honey Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:20:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.9.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net 1056540044 62.255.9.82 (Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:20:44 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:20:44 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1186 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34738 "huestis'" wrote in message news:3ef8ea0d_1@corp.newsgroups.com... > Hi, > > > > > When it comes to giving bees food why is a sugar solution given to them > > rather than honey? > > It is cheap for the most part. However there are many beekeepers such as > myself that feed honey when necessary and do not use artificial feeds. > Instead we manage our bees differently than is the standard advocated today. > There is a different view here. I have honey, i must shuck out $$$ for > sugar and must mix up, ect. The honey costs nothing out of my pocket > directly. If left on the hive in the first place, it would have never been > mine for the taking. So it is best to let the bees feed themselves. For > biological practices check out my web page > http://wave.prohosting.com/clay2720/ Hit the unlimited broodnest link. And > the envelope method link. Ideally the best situation is well prepared bees > and un-used feeders. > Hi Clay, I am interested in eliminating sugar feeding from my hives so I was pleased to read your pages. I don't fully understand how you work the unlimited brood nest. Do you leave the three deeps in place all year? Where does the queen tend to lay? What do you mean by 'reversing' the colony in Spring? Are you harvesting the whole super at once or picking out frames? Tim W Article 34739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David Hatch Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper makes local paper Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:56:34 -0700 Organization: Little Angel Apiaries Reply-To: Dhatch@clarityconnect.com Message-ID: <1odjfvkjtngr51rsr6h3ga4flsitumbdrh@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cci-209150250078.clarityconnect.net X-Trace: newsfeed 1056456344 209.150.250.78 (24 Jun 2003 07:05:44 -0500) Lines: 20 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.150.250.78 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!proxad.net!proxad.net!diablo.voicenet.com!209.242.86.11.MISMATCH!newsfeed!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34739 Hey all! I made the local paper! Check it out, I thought they did a nice Job!! http://www.the-leader.com/articles/2003/06/22/lifestyles/life01.txt I was afraid they would make me out to be a kook or something but they really shined a posative light on beekeeping and the public response has been wonderfull. I have had my phone ringing almost on a daily basis looking for someone to remove bees from buildings etc... Take care, David Hatch Corning NY A swarm in May is worth a load of hay. A swarm in June is worth a silver spoon. A swarm in July isn't worth a fly. (old farmers saying) Article 34740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1c8e526b.0306250044.3bfbadc9@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: A box of bees Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:04:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.56.161.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1056546281 65.56.161.167 (Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:04:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:04:41 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34740 Peter, Smoking the bees will help some since the smoke covers up most of the alarm pheromones the bees produce when they are disturbed. If the bees are still in a cluster, spraying them with a fine mist of water or sugar syrup will keep the bees from flying, which will cut down on the stinging incidents. Other than that, dress up in a long sleeve shirt and pants, making sure that all holes and entry points are covered or tucked in. Today may be a different story with the bees--weather effects bees temperament tremendously. Good Luck, Christopher Petree Article 34741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3ef8ea0d_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: Newbie question: sugar vs honey Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:25:04 -0400 Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.60 Message-ID: <3ef9a593_5@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1056548243 209.23.5.60 (25 Jun 2003 08:37:23 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.superfeed.net!local!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1187 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34741 Hi Tim, > > I am interested in eliminating sugar feeding from my hives so I was > pleased to read your pages. I don't fully understand how you work the > unlimited brood nest. Do you leave the three deeps in place all year? Yes all year. No queen excluders are used. The broodnest isn't restricted and the queen is encouraged to lay up all three deep boxes for max. brood production. > Where does the queen tend to lay? All 3 boxes. See above. What do you mean by 'reversing' the > colony in Spring? The normal reversing practice just with three boxes. I reverse just once however. The bees will be in top 2 boxes in the spring the 3rd one (bottom box)will be empty, yet have pollen still and should be placed on top of the others. If a honey barrier is still in the second I bait the bees up into the top box to open up the barrier. Are you harvesting the whole super at once or picking > out frames? I do both. I use zero chemicals in my beekeeping so no fume boards, ect. I use escapes or brush. Sometimes abandonment method. I do biological beekeeping, which is organic without the BS and insanity that can go along with it. Basically organic from beekeepers actions and methods, bees are allowed to be bees. None of that must be 3 miles from this or that. Who can control there environment? I think I'll trust my bees to themselves in that regard. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Brian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1c8e526b.0306250044.3bfbadc9@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: A box of bees Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:25:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.26.40.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1056569119 66.26.40.44 (Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:25:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:25:19 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34742 Yeah, the smoke is more to short circuit the alarm pheromones like you say Peter. I've heard the honey gorging theory before too but I don't think that's accurate for the majority of the bees. Smoking them basically confuses them so smoke'em and definitely wear protective clothing especially for your face. "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:J5hKa.64412$Io.6053201@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Peter, > > Smoking the bees will help some since the smoke covers up most of the alarm > pheromones the bees produce when they are disturbed. If the bees are still > in a cluster, spraying them with a fine mist of water or sugar syrup will > keep the bees from flying, which will cut down on the stinging incidents. > Other than that, dress up in a long sleeve shirt and pants, making sure that > all holes and entry points are covered or tucked in. Today may be a > different story with the bees--weather effects bees temperament > tremendously. > > Good Luck, > > Christopher Petree > > Article 34743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Brian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1odjfvkjtngr51rsr6h3ga4flsitumbdrh@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeper makes local paper Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:33:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.26.40.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1056569583 66.26.40.44 (Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:33:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:33:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NC Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.moat.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34743 Nice article, congrats! "David Hatch" wrote in message news:1odjfvkjtngr51rsr6h3ga4flsitumbdrh@4ax.com... > Hey all! > I made the local paper! Check it out, I thought they did a nice > Job!! > > http://www.the-leader.com/articles/2003/06/22/lifestyles/life01.txt > > I was afraid they would make me out to be a kook or something but they > really shined a posative light on beekeeping and the public response > has been wonderfull. I have had my phone ringing almost on a daily > basis looking for someone to remove bees from buildings etc... Take > care, David Hatch Corning NY > > > A swarm in May > is worth a load of hay. > A swarm in June > is worth a silver spoon. > A swarm in July > isn't worth a fly. > (old farmers saying) Article 34744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A box of bees Message-ID: <21ikfvodqfo4afgp8gfau4a60lqb6ps8dr@4ax.com> References: <1c8e526b.0306250044.3bfbadc9@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:01:58 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:12:05 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!rip!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34744 Fix you a small bottle of sugar water in a detergent sprayer. Spray the sugar water on the bees and wait a couple of minutes. Soon they will be licking sugar off each other and paying little attention to you. Charles, Cary, NC On 25 Jun 2003 01:44:33 -0700, peter_hawkey@hotmail.com (Peter Hawkey) wrote: >Hello from Scotland.. > >I found a cluster of bees in a hedge in my garden yesterday evening. >Unfortunately they were in a position where I couldn't knock them into >a box, so I cut the small branch out of the hedge with the aim of >shaking them into a nuc box with four frames. That's where it started >to go wrong.... > >Once I'd freed the branch the bees became very agitated and started to >sting so I put the swarm, branch and all into the box and beat a hasty >retreat. This morning I have a nuc box and a new colony of bees coming >in and going quite happily. > >My question. If I understand correctly, smoking bees to pacify them >causes them to eat as much of their honey as they can (thinking that >there is a fire nearby and they may have to leave the hive)which makes >them in effect to full to bother stinging. If so, how can I pacify my >new colony so that I can retrieve the branch and fit the box with some >foundation? I'm still hurting from yesterday's attack. > >Cheers > >Peter Article 34745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TBH + Langstroth.... Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:40:52 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3efadbfa$0$225@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.26.223.15 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1056627706 225 196.26.223.15 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!gumby.it.wmich.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:1189 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34745 I've been wanting to start some TBH and seeing as I will be building them from scratch, I've been thinking of some possible designs. My biggest concern with TBH is having to move them, so I thought of this as a solution. Take a Langstroth brood chamber and cut the sides (left and right) and attach a the normal V-Shaped TBH structure to that. In between each section put a queen excluder. Then in the brood section use normal brood frames (attached to a top bar), while the store section uses normal TBH. My thinking is that if I need to move the whole hive I can easily move the brood and queen into a brood box and a super before the move....then move them....and then at their new location, move them back into the TBH. Another option would be to build a LARGE brood box (about 3 times as wide) and just use brood frames for everything. Are there extractors that take brood-size frames? The reason I am looking into using a TBH/horizontal configuration is that I find my bees (African) get quite agitated and disturbed if I need to look at the brood section, because I need to remove everything above it and I'm thinking that the TBH structure would eliminate this? I'm a hobbiest, so "lower" yield is not an issue. Any thoughts? Regards Daniel. Article 34746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jonny Birkelund Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Africa Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:01:44 +0200 Organization: EUnet Norway Lines: 10 Message-ID: <87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no> Reply-To: jonnyb@opera.no NNTP-Posting-Host: pat.opera.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: services.kq.no 1056627954 14508 193.69.113.22 (26 Jun 2003 11:45:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eunet.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:45:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UGRbK9XYnF2zQHLQaN3jBUulQJ4= Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uio.no!193.75.75.20.MISMATCH!news.eunet.no!pkasper.opera.no!news Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34746 I wonder if anyone have seen scientific papers or articles about beekeeping in Africa. Any tips is appreciated. -- /Jonny Opera Software ASA http://people.opera.com/~jonnyb phone:+47-24164360 fax:+47-24164002 Article 34748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Africa Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:06:25 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.150.238 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1056650849 23853 217.135.150.238 (26 Jun 2003 18:07:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2003 18:07:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34748 http://users.iafrica.com/e/ef/efsa/biocraft/ is the only one that I know. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Jonny Birkelund" wrote in message news:87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no... > > I wonder if anyone have seen scientific papers or articles > about beekeeping in Africa. Any tips is appreciated. > > > -- > /Jonny > Opera Software ASA > http://people.opera.com/~jonnyb > phone:+47-24164360 fax:+47-24164002 Article 34749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:34:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34749 On 26 Jun 2003 12:46:43 -0700, airhough@hotmail.com (Bee Inquisitive) wrote: >I just joined this newsgroup today, so please pardon me if this is >covered a million times... I am reading through a lot of the posts >now. > >It is summer, and I was priveleged to encounter 2 swarms in the last >two weeks. I caught some excellent pictures of the first swarm which >my condo association paid a bee guy to come vacuum up, and the second >swarm arrived yesterday and is bizzzzily making its hive in the exact >spot we removed a hive from 3 years ago which just happens to be about >5 feet from where my head rests when I sleep at night. > >I like them. I want them to stay. I understand that having them stay >would mean I need to innoculate them once in a while. I would never >be able to eat their honeycomb as we would have to cut into the >building to get at it (which is how we removed the hive last time, >fresh honeycomb is AMBROSIA). > >What I need to know is this. Do bees damage wood? Do they eat holes >in things? If the answer is no, then I might have a case for keeping >them. Is there anything else I should know before cohabitating with a >colony of bees? (they don't have access to inside unless they can >indeed burrow in eventually) Had you hired a profesional the first time you wouldn't have this problem. After a removal the cavity must be filled with something like fiberglass because the smell left behind will attract new swarms. The bees will do no damage to the structure. However if they die which they probably will do, the cavity may get hot and melt the combs causing the honey to go where ever gravity takes it. Once it soaks into sheetrock, plaster, or wood you cannot paint over it. It will bleed through. beekeep Article 34750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:21:22 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? 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If the job had been done properly the first time you wouldn't have bees in your wall. While the bees MIGHT live many years in the wall, they will most likely die out due to any number of problems bees are commonly afflicted by. I'd recommend moving them to a man made hive so you can take care of your bees properly. There IS a way to move them out without destroying your wall, AND the honey will be removed as well; however, it takes an experienced beekeeper over a period of a couple of months to do this. If you have a beekeeping association nearby, going to some of their meetings is a good place to start. Who knows, they may make a project out of your situation. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark Had you hired a profesional the first time you wouldn't have this problem. After a removal the cavity must be filled with something like fiberglass because the smell left behind will attract new swarms. The bees will do no damage to the structure. However if they die which they probably will do, the cavity may get hot and melt the combs causing the honey to go where ever gravity takes it. Once it soaks into sheetrock, plaster, or wood you cannot paint over it. It will bleed through. beekeep Article 34751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queens from cells Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:12:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1056679955 66.222.85.107 (Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:12:35 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:12:35 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34751 Today after removing some queen cells, (both supercedure and swarm cells) from some of my hives, by the time I got back to the garage two new queens had cut their way out of the cells. My question is: what can one do with unmated queens? Are they even worth messing around with? Article 34752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Marty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:04:36 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-727.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34752 Beekeep, I remained a hive of bees today from a tractor trailer that had an office built in the front. Between the paneling and outer wall there had been fiberglass insulation but where the bees had their comb and probably 1 foot around the insulation was gone. I had assumed that the bees had done this since insulation was in all other areas of the wall. In your post you mentioned putting insulation where the bees had been to keep other bees from coming back. Is this some other type of fiberglass you were referring to or was the hive I removed today an exception to the rule? "beekeep" wrote in message news:3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net... > On 26 Jun 2003 12:46:43 -0700, airhough@hotmail.com (Bee Inquisitive) > wrote: > > >I just joined this newsgroup today, so please pardon me if this is > >covered a million times... I am reading through a lot of the posts > >now. > > > >It is summer, and I was priveleged to encounter 2 swarms in the last > >two weeks. I caught some excellent pictures of the first swarm which > >my condo association paid a bee guy to come vacuum up, and the second > >swarm arrived yesterday and is bizzzzily making its hive in the exact > >spot we removed a hive from 3 years ago which just happens to be about > >5 feet from where my head rests when I sleep at night. > > > >I like them. I want them to stay. I understand that having them stay > >would mean I need to innoculate them once in a while. I would never > >be able to eat their honeycomb as we would have to cut into the > >building to get at it (which is how we removed the hive last time, > >fresh honeycomb is AMBROSIA). > > > >What I need to know is this. Do bees damage wood? Do they eat holes > >in things? If the answer is no, then I might have a case for keeping > >them. Is there anything else I should know before cohabitating with a > >colony of bees? (they don't have access to inside unless they can > >indeed burrow in eventually) > > Had you hired a profesional the first time you wouldn't have this > problem. After a removal the cavity must be filled with something > like fiberglass because the smell left behind will attract new swarms. > > The bees will do no damage to the structure. However if they die > which they probably will do, the cavity may get hot and melt the combs > causing the honey to go where ever gravity takes it. Once it soaks > into sheetrock, plaster, or wood you cannot paint over it. It will > bleed through. > > beekeep > Article 34753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queens from cells Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:31:05 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.206.239 X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1056695570 21956 217.135.206.239 (27 Jun 2003 06:32:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2003 06:32:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34753 Depends if you need new queens. If you have genuine supersedure cells then those queens are worth saving. Make up a small mating nucs and get them into them very quickly - they will not survive long on their own! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "k.adey" wrote in message news:nKNKa.11833$vx3.3440906@kent.svc.tds.net... > Today after removing some queen cells, (both supercedure and swarm cells) > from some of my hives, by the time I got back to the garage two new queens > had cut their way out of the cells. My question is: what can one do with > unmated queens? Are they even worth messing around with? > > > > > Article 34754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuc's Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:28:49 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.151.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1056709839 195.166.151.74 (Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:30:39 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:30:39 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34754 Hello All, Does anyone know where I can get disposable nucs from. My local agricultural college wants me to create nukes for their budding beekeepers, using non disposable one's is a pain because I have to get them back before creating another nuke for them. Thanks John Ashby Article 34755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:38:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3efc1d95.47916350@news1.radix.net> References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip170.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34755 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:04:36 -0500, "Marty" wrote: >Beekeep, > >I remained a hive of bees today from a tractor trailer that had an office >built in the front. Between the paneling and outer wall there had been >fiberglass insulation but where the bees had their comb and probably 1 foot >around the insulation was gone. I had assumed that the bees had done this >since insulation was in all other areas of the wall. In your post you >mentioned putting insulation where the bees had been to keep other bees from >coming back. Is this some other type of fiberglass you were referring to or >was the hive I removed today an exception to the rule? There had to be a cavity or the scout bees would never have considered it as a nesting place. I have seen honeybess remove insulation to increase the size of the cavity but never to make a cavity to start with. beekeep Article 34756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Marty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:52:49 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> <3efc1d95.47916350@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-270.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1050 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1050 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34756 OK Thanks "beekeep" wrote in message news:3efc1d95.47916350@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:04:36 -0500, "Marty" > wrote: > > >Beekeep, > > > >I remained a hive of bees today from a tractor trailer that had an office > >built in the front. Between the paneling and outer wall there had been > >fiberglass insulation but where the bees had their comb and probably 1 foot > >around the insulation was gone. I had assumed that the bees had done this > >since insulation was in all other areas of the wall. In your post you > >mentioned putting insulation where the bees had been to keep other bees from > >coming back. Is this some other type of fiberglass you were referring to or > >was the hive I removed today an exception to the rule? > > There had to be a cavity or the scout bees would never have considered > it as a nesting place. I have seen honeybess remove insulation to > increase the size of the cavity but never to make a cavity to start > with. > > beekeep > > Article 34757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Tim Whittingham" From: "Tim Whittingham" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for paper tubs for honey Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:51:09 +0100 Organization: none X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3efc9182$0$13004$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.40.196.141 X-Trace: DXC=FHl[39YTOE`CYaP5Y3SY4h`_Cen;i<9PjU9NUOd63i:l Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!easynet-thlon3!easynet.net!easynet-post1!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34757 Looking for a uk source of waxed paper tubs for packaging honey. I have bought honey in Europe like that. Good green biodegradable pots. Tim W Article 34758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: move them, but keep them Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:11:25 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.151.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: stones.force9.net 1056744793 195.166.151.74 (Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:13:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:13:13 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!peer1.news.newnet.co.uk!landlord!stones.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34758 I am not sure what the others would say here, but its up for discussion. If you put a tube from the bee exit hole in your wall to the brood box in a hive, they may move out in to the hive. The tube must be large enough for a drone to get through and dark. You could put the tube into the normal enterance of the hive and just push it in about 12ins. They really don't like Creosote, and will move away from it, if you can, put the creosote on cotton wool and stragecly place it to get them on the move. Its just an idea Article 34759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuc's Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:32:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3efcb7ec.87426565@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34759 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:28:49 +0100, "John" wrote: >Hello All, > >Does anyone know where I can get disposable nucs from. My local agricultural >college wants me to create nukes for their budding beekeepers, using non >disposable one's is a pain because I have to get them back before creating >another nuke for them. > >Thanks > >John Ashby > > Mann Lake has cheap ones. beekeep Article 34760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuc's Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:56:10 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYX7PWYzlOIOBJ3bbVwqALRTF+jFHIDBGk64urhdi6oMm7XA4kDDkoq X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2003 21:56:11 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Priority: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34760 "John" wrote in message news:j1VKa.44553$xd5.2217668@stones.force9.net... > Hello All, > > Does anyone know where I can get disposable nucs from. My local agricultural > college wants me to create nukes for their budding beekeepers, using non > disposable one's is a pain because I have to get them back before creating > another nuke for them. > > Thanks > > John Ashby > > Dadant (www.dadant.com). They sell cardboard nuc boxes for $7-9, depending on how many you get. Keith Article 34761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:59:43 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Worthing Beekeepers Website - UK Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:00:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.110 X-Trace: sv3-X2iy8C1g42DtIUd+Q/cnxOnt2/GVmIUY6xEUHTQdyvElsGDwJpjkwF16j8t+3NJlKEt/LyAT5JSfu/N!8T77mm0hZ+Z+jelR2LmlB2zUIhBN4kv/RIisjk+PpFtUczyU7OjRWEYlT5lcsfje7PJrLqY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!gumby.it.wmich.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34761 Hi Steve, looks like you are off to a good start on your web site. I have a suggestion to help your pages load faster. Instead of resizing your pages using html code, resize them using your photo editor. It should cut the load time dramatically. Keep up the good work. (West Texas) Mark I have just published a website for the Worthing Beekeepers Association in West Sussex UK. www.worthingbeekeepers.fsnet.co.uk Please take a look and let me have some feedback. Thanks Steve Newport Article 34762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "k.adey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: errant comb building... Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <8c6La.13688$vx3.3547295@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:29:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.222.85.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1056763780 66.222.85.64 (Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:29:40 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:29:40 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!172.16.20.2.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34762 Please forgive me if this question is so basic, but I sometimes have a problem with my bees building their comb, leaving a space behind it. The space is between the comb and the foundation. What is causing this behavior, and what can be done to correct and /or prevent it? Thanks for any advice! kadey Article 34763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: errant comb building... Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:44:05 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8c6La.13688$vx3.3547295@kent.svc.tds.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.202.49 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1056786954 10380 217.135.202.49 (28 Jun 2003 07:55:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2003 07:55:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34763 Old foundation or incorrect spacing between frames. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "k.adey" wrote in message news:8c6La.13688$vx3.3547295@kent.svc.tds.net... > Please forgive me if this question is so basic, but I sometimes have a > problem with my bees building their comb, leaving a space behind it. The > space is between the comb and the foundation. What is causing this behavior, > and what can be done to correct and /or prevent it? > > Thanks for any advice! > > kadey > > Article 34764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030612 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Make thousands of quick...$$$! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 158 Message-ID: <8idLa.1634$Kb2.42489@news010.worldonline.dk> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:33:54 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.71.163 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1056792836 213.142.71.163 (Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:33:56 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:33:56 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!luth.se!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34764 What have this to do with beekeeping??? Mail a big parcel of African killer bees to this kid!!!! abdi ebba skrev: > make thousands quick...$$$!money is time!$$$!!! > > > Easy Money for just one $10.00 bill and one stamp!!!!$$$$ WHAT HAVE YOU GOT > TO LOSE??? 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Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new > users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. > Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work. You wouldn't > want someone to cheat you the same way you may be cheating! Yours sincerely, > > Bob Rod > > > Article 34765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <95a8c6fc.0306261146.4ac98b96@posting.google.com> <3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Are bees destructive? Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: <3AgLa.44247$9C6.2089404@wards.force9.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:09:22 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.151.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plus.net.uk X-Trace: wards.force9.net 1056806271 195.166.151.74 (Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:17:51 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:17:51 BST Organization: Customer of PlusNet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!landlord!wards.force9.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34765 I am not sure what the others would say here, but its up for discussion. If you put a tube from the bee exit hole in your wall to the brood box in a hive, they may move out in to the hive. The tube must be large enough for a drone to get through and dark. You could put the tube into the normal enterance of the hive and just push it in about 12ins. They really don't like Creosote, and will move away from it, if you can, put the creosote on cotton wool and stragecly place it to get them on the move. Its just an idea "beekeep" wrote in message news:3efb65c0.855392@news1.radix.net... > On 26 Jun 2003 12:46:43 -0700, airhough@hotmail.com (Bee Inquisitive) > wrote: > > >I just joined this newsgroup today, so please pardon me if this is > >covered a million times... I am reading through a lot of the posts > >now. > > > >It is summer, and I was priveleged to encounter 2 swarms in the last > >two weeks. I caught some excellent pictures of the first swarm which > >my condo association paid a bee guy to come vacuum up, and the second > >swarm arrived yesterday and is bizzzzily making its hive in the exact > >spot we removed a hive from 3 years ago which just happens to be about > >5 feet from where my head rests when I sleep at night. > > > >I like them. I want them to stay. I understand that having them stay > >would mean I need to innoculate them once in a while. I would never > >be able to eat their honeycomb as we would have to cut into the > >building to get at it (which is how we removed the hive last time, > >fresh honeycomb is AMBROSIA). > > > >What I need to know is this. Do bees damage wood? Do they eat holes > >in things? If the answer is no, then I might have a case for keeping > >them. Is there anything else I should know before cohabitating with a > >colony of bees? (they don't have access to inside unless they can > >indeed burrow in eventually) > > Had you hired a profesional the first time you wouldn't have this > problem. After a removal the cavity must be filled with something > like fiberglass because the smell left behind will attract new swarms. > > The bees will do no damage to the structure. However if they die > which they probably will do, the cavity may get hot and melt the combs > causing the honey to go where ever gravity takes it. Once it soaks > into sheetrock, plaster, or wood you cannot paint over it. It will > bleed through. > > beekeep > Article 34766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Africa Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:37:27 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1056811070.75349@savina> References: <87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in-maxim.spamkiller.net!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34766 check these sources out: "Beekeeping in Africa" http://www.biavl.dk/africa/ "Ethiopia: Stuck on honey" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/679925.stm "The Ecological Threat of the Varroa Mite Varroa jacobsoni In South Africa" http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2001/december/varroa.htm "APIMONDIA IN AFRICA" http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/months/02feb/02feb3.htm "Jonny Birkelund" wrote in message news:87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no... > > I wonder if anyone have seen scientific papers or articles > about beekeeping in Africa. Any tips is appreciated. > > > -- > /Jonny > Opera Software ASA > http://people.opera.com/~jonnyb > phone:+47-24164360 fax:+47-24164002 Article 34767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Make thousands of quick...$$$! Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:29:38 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1056824978.142040@spinics.net> References: <8idLa.1634$Kb2.42489@news010.worldonline.dk> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34767 In article <8idLa.1634$Kb2.42489@news010.worldonline.dk>, Jostein Mork wrote: > What have this to do with beekeeping??? Why did you quote it and thus post it again? Article 34768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3efc9182$0$13004$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looking for paper tubs for honey Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:47:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.23.253.41 X-Trace: se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net 1056836853 212.23.253.41 (Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:47:33 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:47:33 MET DST Organization: COLT Telecom AG, Switzerland Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34768 we used to have them in Switzerland. now they ahve been replaced by plastic. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland cellular/portable 0041 78 6272967 "Tim Whittingham" a écrit dans le message de news:3efc9182$0$13004$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk... > Looking for a uk source of waxed paper tubs for packaging honey. I have > bought honey in Europe like that. Good green biodegradable pots. > > Tim W > > Article 34769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no> Subject: Re: Bees in Africa Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:51:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.23.253.41 X-Trace: se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net 1056837112 212.23.253.41 (Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:51:52 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:51:52 MET DST Organization: COLT Telecom AG, Switzerland Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!feed.news.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!se2-cb104-9.zrh1.ch.colt.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34769 there are plenty of books available at beekeeping for developement at http://www.beesfordevelopment.org/ -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland cellular/portable 0041 78 6272967 "Jonny Birkelund" a écrit dans le message de news:87u1aehw8n.fsf@pkasper.opera.no... > > I wonder if anyone have seen scientific papers or articles > about beekeeping in Africa. Any tips is appreciated. > > > -- > /Jonny > Opera Software ASA > http://people.opera.com/~jonnyb > phone:+47-24164360 fax:+47-24164002 Article 34770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A box of bees Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:36:31 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3eff77db.267633022@news1.radix.net> References: <1c8e526b.0306250044.3bfbadc9@posting.google.com> <23e8adb1.0306260626.555bdc9a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip176.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34770 On 26 Jun 2003 07:26:05 -0700, bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) wrote: >peter_hawkey@hotmail.com (Peter Hawkey) wrote in message news:<1c8e526b.0306250044.3bfbadc9@posting.google.com>... >> Hello from Scotland.. >> >> I found a cluster of bees in a hedge in my garden yesterday evening. >> Unfortunately they were in a position where I couldn't knock them into >> a box, so I cut the small branch out of the hedge with the aim of >> shaking them into a nuc box with four frames. That's where it started >> to go wrong.... >> >> >Dry Swarms can be testy. >Feed them. >A swarm that has been clustered on a branch for a few days tends to >run short of food even though some bees are actively foraging. >My routine is to assume any swarm I didn't see in the air is a "dry >swarm" >Give them a puff or two of smoke and Sprinkle some 1/1 sugar water on >them with a brush or a spray bottle. Ones that have gone through a thunderstorm aren't much better. beekeep Article 34771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Novice needs advice Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Message-ID: <8lOLa.71359$Io.6692046@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:43:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.69.22.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1056944580 207.69.22.245 (Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:43:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:43:00 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-pas-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34771 Hello all, I need some advice on the condition of my bees. I recently bought 5 hives and transported them over 75 miles over very bumpy roads to my house. I arrived at about 11 pm and let them settle down for an hour before taking them off the trailer and setting them on their stands. One hive sounded like it would take off any minute even after an hour. The bees were not happy about the move. After setting them up, I released the bees from the hive and the one hive came swarming out and covered the front of the hive body. They went inside the next day, but there is a lot of activity in that hive. Today, I found several hundred bees dead in front of the hive. Any idea about what is happening? There seems to be the usual coming and going of the bees. I will open the hives later this week to inspect them. I wanted to leave them alone for a week. Thanks, Frank Article 34772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "jd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice needs advice Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:11:55 +0100 Organization: BT Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <8lOLa.71359$Io.6692046@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.230.210.172 X-Trace: pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk 1056986394 7179 10.230.210.172 (30 Jun 2003 15:19:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@axion.bt.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2003 15:19:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!bt !not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34772 "Today, I found several hundred bees dead in front of the hive. Any > idea about what is happening? There seems to be the usual coming and going > of the bees. I will open the hives later this week to inspect them. I > wanted to leave them alone for a week. > > Thanks, > Frank > ># I also am a novice and you are probably better awaiting for a more educated response but I'll have a go! Was the hive an establised colony? The only thing I can think of is the bees didnt enjoy the trip; gorged themselves with honey and thought about swarming. Then they decided they did not feel strong enough to go anywhere and moved back in. Having no supplies inside now the bees are actually dying of starvation and may require feeding. As I say I am also a novice so better wait or search some of the sites on the net for a more reasoned response? Good luck either way Article 34773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice needs advice Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:31:39 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <8lOLa.71359$Io.6692046@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.153.165 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1057001878 4987 217.135.153.165 (30 Jun 2003 19:37:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2003 19:37:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34773 Inadequate ventilation during the move? -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Frank" wrote in message news:8lOLa.71359$Io.6692046@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hello all, > > I need some advice on the condition of my bees. I recently bought 5 hives > and transported them over 75 miles over very bumpy roads to my house. I > arrived at about 11 pm and let them settle down for an hour before taking > them off the trailer and setting them on their stands. One hive sounded > like it would take off any minute even after an hour. The bees were not > happy about the move. After setting them up, I released the bees from the > hive and the one hive came swarming out and covered the front of the hive > body. They went inside the next day, but there is a lot of activity in that > hive. Today, I found several hundred bees dead in front of the hive. Any > idea about what is happening? There seems to be the usual coming and going > of the bees. I will open the hives later this week to inspect them. I > wanted to leave them alone for a week. > > Thanks, > Frank > > Article 34774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Novice needs advice Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:21:27 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3f00c5a4.353082116@news1.radix.net> References: <8lOLa.71359$Io.6692046@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip174.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34774 On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:43:00 GMT, "Frank" wrote: >Hello all, > >I need some advice on the condition of my bees. I recently bought 5 hives >and transported them over 75 miles over very bumpy roads to my house. I >arrived at about 11 pm and let them settle down for an hour before taking >them off the trailer and setting them on their stands. One hive sounded >like it would take off any minute even after an hour. The bees were not >happy about the move. After setting them up, I released the bees from the >hive and the one hive came swarming out and covered the front of the hive >body. They went inside the next day, but there is a lot of activity in that >hive. Today, I found several hundred bees dead in front of the hive. Any >idea about what is happening? There seems to be the usual coming and going >of the bees. I will open the hives later this week to inspect them. I >wanted to leave them alone for a week. > >Thanks, >Frank > > They over heated. Bees need to be able to regulate the hive temperature. The buzzing was an attempt to ventilate the hive. beekeep