From fgt@cadre.com Mon Aug 8 12:44:57 EDT 1994 Article: 637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!cadre!usenet From: fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) Subject: Re: Bees night out? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cadre.com (News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: cadre.cadre.com Reply-To: fgt@cadre.com Organization: CADRE TECHNOLOGIES INC. References: <31fohg$6jp@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 17:47:20 GMT Lines: 19 I am a new beekeeper and started off this year with a couple of hives. I had two nukes of carniolans installed this Spring. I have had trouble with one of the hive; the bees seem very grumpy and have recently taken to stinging me. The hives are very close to a gravel driveway and cars & farm equipment apparently rumble by during the day. A couple of days ago I decided to move them and took them to a friend's house in a quiet location about a mile away. Separating us are three major roads, two wooded swamps filled with sweet pepperbush (which is now blooming) and three of pastures. However the next day hundreds of bees were swarming around the location the hives used to be and by afternoon they had massed on a car parked nearby. They also seemed to be hot-tempered and my landlord complained about them. What should I do? --- Frederick Thurber fgt@cadre.com From jlks@u.washington.edu Mon Aug 8 12:44:58 EDT 1994 Article: 638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees night out? Date: 1 Aug 1994 20:45:03 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 25 Message-ID: <31jmsf$cbb@news.u.washington.edu> References: <31fohg$6jp@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) writes: [...]A couple of days ago I decided to move them and took them >to a friend's house in a quiet location about a mile away. Separating >us are three major roads, two wooded swamps filled with sweet pepperbush >(which is now blooming) and three of pastures. However the next day >hundreds of bees were swarming around the location the hives used to be and by >afternoon they had massed on a car parked nearby. They also seemed to >be hot-tempered and my landlord complained about them. What should I do? New to beekeeping myself, but I would say move the hive back to its original position ASAP, and, once you have the hive reconsolidated, pick a new spot to move them to, further away than your friend's house (a mile and a half did me fine, but better safe than sorry). Bees have no regard for major roads, and if one happens upon a familiar landmark, they will be able to find their old home quick. If you are set on your friend's house as a permanent location, pick some spot very far away from both the original spot and your friend's house to move them to for three or four weeks, until everyone who remembers the old terrain is dead, then move them to your friend's place. Again: this is my first year beekeeping, so take my advice with a shaker of salt... Jordan From Paul.Ferroni@ab.com Mon Aug 8 12:44:59 EDT 1994 Article: 639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!news1.hh.ab.com!icd.ab.com!cpferron From: cpferron@icd.ab.com (C. Paul Ferroni) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: 1 Aug 1994 22:31:37 GMT Organization: Allen Bradley Lines: 56 Distribution: world Message-ID: <31jt49$4me@news1.hh.ab.com> References: Reply-To: Paul.Ferroni@ab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dabney.cle.ab.com In article , sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) writes: [...munch...] > new colony, but in the meantime, what do I do with all those full frames? > Get an extractor? Destroy the frames? What? And will these bees feasting > on the honey be very upset at my intervention? I've been stung a few times > in my life, but certainly I'm not anxious to try for multiple stings! > > Thanks in advance! > > Mark Sandrock If the hive is empty (and if it's not already too late) you need to do something to keep the wax moths out. Bees will keep them out when they are living in the hive, but I doubt if robber's will care. You should open the hive (don't worry about the "mean-ness" of robbers. I suspect that they'll act pretty much like "ordinary bees") and see if you have robbers, or if a swarm has moved in. You can probably judge this by watching the bees coming in. If they are laden with pollen, they are not robber bees, and you have a natural swarm that's moved in. If you don't have any resident bees, then move the hive in the evening, since the robbers will all go home around sunset, and leave the hive empty. Move it to wherever you'll be storing it. Check it carefully for moth-damage. You'll recognize it if you see it - worm-like larvae eating through the wax, leaving silky trails behind them. Eventually they'll form cocoons on the wooden frames, but by that time, all the wax will be consumed. I store my empty hives in plastic garbage bags, with some moth balls on top of the frames, isolated from actually contacting the wax/frames by a sheet of cardboard. This will actually kill any larvae and eggs in the combs, too. Be SURE to air out the frames a couple of DAYS before putting on active hives after removing them from the presence of the moth balls. The wax will store some of the chemicals in it, and requires lots of free air to flush it out. You can also treat frames with a BT spray (bacillus thurengensis spores -- spelling not guaranteed) that will kill any wax moth larvae when they hatch, and be totally harmless to bees. This can be purchased under several common names -- check your garden supply store. Wax moths can devistate a weak/inactive/empty hive in a matter of weeks. Once ruined, you have to start from scratch with new foundation, etc. Hope you've got a swarm. That'd be the best solution to all your problems. But in any case, don't be afraid to visit your bees. With a good veil, gloves, and proper clothing, you shouldn't have any problems. (forgot to add a little common sense to that list :) ). -cpf From Paul.Ferroni@ab.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:00 EDT 1994 Article: 640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!news1.hh.ab.com!icd.ab.com!cpferron From: cpferron@icd.ab.com (C. Paul Ferroni) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will the honey move up? Date: 1 Aug 1994 22:48:45 GMT Organization: Allen Bradley Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-ID: <31ju4d$4me@news1.hh.ab.com> References: <1994Jul30.124716.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> Reply-To: Paul.Ferroni@ab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dabney.cle.ab.com In article <1994Jul30.124716.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes: > [...munch...] > Also how do I put the hive back together without crushing a million > bees? Everytime I either brush or smoke them off the sides by the time I turn > around and pick up the box to put back on they've covered the sides again. I > *can't* stand there forever until they decide to move, my back can't take it > especially when they're full. > > -- > Dave D. Cawley Dave, I'll take a stab at your last question... I typically use the hive outer cover as a stand for the supers. Turn it upside down, and set the super(s) on it in such a way that it sits on four points, rather than sliping into the cover. This way, there is a significant gap below the super as it's sitting on the cover. (It also makes it easy to pick up later). Be sure to have scraped off any comb that's hanging below the frames. Then, apply liberal smoke to the top of what's left of the hive (where the seperated super will go), and to the underside of the super sitting on the cover. This is why you leave the space below it -- so the smoke will go underneath easily. (Note: I always leave the inner cover on top of the seperated super as well, to reduce the number of curious onlookers while working.) Typically, most of the bees will be away from the points of contact by this time, and you have a short window of time to move the super on top of the hive. If your hive is very full (of bees), angry (open too long perhaps?), etc, you may still have MANY bees sitting where they may get hurt. The method of placing the super on the hive will also help at this point. Don't just set it in its final location. Gently set it down about a side- board width from it's final resting point. Do this by setting one edge down first (slowly), then the other (slowly). Then slowly slide the whole thing into position. I emphasize the slowness of the movement(s) because the bees will naturally move out of the way as they are getting compressed between two objects. You'll end up crushing a few bees, but I'm usually able to put the most active, full hives together without rousing them too much, or effecting a massacre. I typically smoke any crushed bees, to try to mask the scent, and avoid any "misundertandings" with the survivors :). Hope this helps. -cpf From Dave.Du.Toit@enviro.cds.alt.za Mon Aug 8 12:45:01 EDT 1994 Article: 641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!cds!enviro!Dave.Du.Toit From: Dave.Du.Toit@enviro.cds.alt.za (Dave Du Toit) Date: 31 Jul 94 17:50:00 +0200 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving Hives? Message-ID: X-Mail-Agent: GIGO+ sn 62 at cds vsn 0.99w32 X-FTN-To: Dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Organization: -Enviro-Base BBS, Tzaneen (RSA), (0152) 307-5954 (5:7106/77) Lines: 13 Hi DD> and am wondering what the best way to do it is. I seem >to remember DD> reading that they should be moved a foot/day or something, >but can't DD> find the reference in the books I have now...Any advice? Most probably the easiest method is to move them a least 15km away from there original site for a minimum of five days, place some foreign matter in front of the entrance leaves or something so they are aware that things have changed and they must retake there bearings, then after 5 days follow the same process to bring them back. dave@enviro.cds.alt.za From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:03 EDT 1994 Article: 642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Will the honey move up? Date: Mon, 01 Aug 1994 13:57:42 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <1994Jul30.124716.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <1994Jul30.124716.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu wrote: > Well...in my two brood boxes I found almost 5 frames total of capped > honey, 3.5 in the top and 1.5 in the bottom. This amazed me cos I figured I > could get away with 2 brood boxes and a medium super for the year since we've > had droughts the last 3-5 years...how was *I* supposed to know that the > rainfall would be a doozy this year?!? So now my question is (other than where > the heck am i going to get more supers) is will they move the honey up into the > super to free up the brood boxes now that they have the room? They had one full > sheet of of foundation filled out and were working on the others. I figure I > have a full super with what is capped in the bottom boxes. I don't think the bees will "move the honey" into the super, but what they will do is consume the honey that is stored near the broodnest, and new nectar that is coming in will probably be stored up in the super. At a casual glance, this looks like they "moved the honey", but that isn't what really happened. Of course, that's just my opinion - I haven't watched my hive closely enough to be able to "prove" this hypothesis. > I found the queen in the top box which is practically filled with > brood and 3.5 frames of honey, the bottom box had some open space, will she > move back down or is it time to switch boxes on them? Since I don't have an > excluder should I pray that she doesn't move up into the super? Given how crowded your colonies sound, I would guess that it is likely that the queen would move up into the super & start laying - all those open cells would be just too appealing. Prayer doesn't seem to change that! Some folks say that if there is a band of honey across the top of the hive, the queen won't cross it & lay in the super. To have an effective band, *EVERY* frame needs to be solid honey on the top couple of inches - it is easy to get the honey barrier on the sides, but much tougher (you see it less often) directly over the brood nest. The honey barrier didn't work for me this summer, but it seems to work much of the time (don't know how prayer impacts this one!) > Also how do I put the hive back together without crushing a million > bees? Everytime I either brush or smoke them off the sides by the time I turn > around and pick up the box to put back on they've covered the sides again. I > *can't* stand there forever until they decide to move, my back can't take it > especially when they're full. The trick I was taught was 1) lots of smoke, and 2) set the upper box onto the lower box at a slight angle (rotation), and then spin it into position. The advantage is that the "crush zone" is much smaller when you initially set the box down. Then, if you can spin the box slowly enough, most of the bees will get out of the way, or get pushed out of the way. I still squish some, but not as many as just plopping the box straight down. The disadvantage is that it can be tough with burr comb & propolis to spin a deep that has lots of honey in it! Good Luck. Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:03 EDT 1994 Article: 643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Mon, 01 Aug 1994 13:57:46 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) wrote: [preliminaries deleted for brevity] > Now, the problem is, this hive full of honey has been sitting in the > garden all along, and I've noticed a fair amount of activity with bees > coming and going and crawling around the hive entrance. Yesterday I > received the equipment I (finally) ordered, and was ready to take a > look inside, but happened to read a paragraph in Walter Kelley's book > about the potential "meanness" of robber bees. Well, if what I have are > robber bees, I'm not anxious to do battle with them, and am appealing > here for any advice as to what course of action I should now follow. As Mike Moroney noted, robber bees aren't that big a deal. Yes, they tend to be somewhat more aggressive than "residents", but you probably won't notice that much of a difference if you are a "glove-wearer" (i.e. you don't work your bees bare-handed). One good way to discriminate between residents & robbers from the outside of the hive is to watch the hive entrance - If you see bees bringing pollen into the colony, then you have an active colony (robbers will not bring pollen in - they are taking the honey out! Also, pollen coming into a colony is an indication that there is brood rearing going on (ok - late in the season they might be storing it away for spring...) which is something only "residents" will do. Again, as Mike noted, robbers will clean out a vacant colony quite rapidly, so if the activity you have been watching is, indeed, robbers, it is likely you don't have to worry about any honey! > Kelley's informed me that they've been sold out of bees for several > months, and I'm thinking I have to wait until next spring to start a > new colony, but in the meantime, what do I do with all those full frames? > Get an extractor? Destroy the frames? What? And will these bees feasting > on the honey be very upset at my intervention? I've been stung a few times > in my life, but certainly I'm not anxious to try for multiple stings! It is amazing how mother nature takes care of these things for us - maybe a swrm moved in, in which case you have an established colony by this time, but you need to watch for mites & disease. Also, depending on how well they have built up, you may need to feed them to help them through the winter. If a swarm has not moved in, then it is likely that other bees will have found the colony & robbed all the honey out. Once the robbers have done their work, it is likely that wax moths will move in, and consume all the wax left in the hive. So, you may open the hive this fall, and just find a bunch of empty frames!! If you still have honey in the frames, you have a bunch of choices to make. Contact me by e-mail if you want, and we can talk about this further. Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:05 EDT 1994 Article: 644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening by putting in queen cell? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:45:02 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) wrote: > Has anyone tried the method of requeening by putting an-almost-ready queen > cell on the frames, and letting supersedure take place? I don't think this will work in a queen-right hive. I would think that the existing queen would kill the queen in the cell before she ever emerges (this is the way it works when a colony raises emergency queens to replace a "lost" queen - the first queen to emerge runs around & chews holes in the sides of all the other queen cells - the workers then finish the job by pulling the pupa out of the cell and discarding it outside the hive). This would be a good way to requeen a colony if you first eliminated the old queen, although you may want to place more than one queen cell, just in case you damage one "installing" it. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:06 EDT 1994 Article: 645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about making beewax candles Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 10:05:19 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 23 Distribution: na Message-ID: References: <311471$26s@homer.mdd.comm.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <311471$26s@homer.mdd.comm.mot.com>, jong@mdd.comm.mot.com (Edward Jong) wrote: > > When making beeswax candles, is it advisable to mix some > parafin as well? Any suggestions for candle making. > > I don't know anything about bees. I am posting this question > for a beekeeping friend of mine. Addition of parafin will increase the chances that the candle will drip. Also, once you add parafin, you can't sell your candles as 100% beeswax. I am not aware of any advantages of adding parafin, other than parafin is cheap. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:07 EDT 1994 Article: 646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to process burr comb - novice Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 13:05:36 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <9407260857.PN06539@LL.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In esponse to Mike Killoran's recent post: Your concept on the solar melter is right - brood & big chunks of other "undesirables" will stay on top, with all the rest dripping through. Wax floats on water, and since honey is heavier than water, wax will float on the honey too. The problem is that the honey that goes through the solar melter probably won't taste that great. So, before rendering the honey soaked wax, put it back on the hive for a while. The bees will clean up the honey and leave the wax behind (I put the wax on top of the inner cover, with an empty super or something holding up the outer cover. This is a *GOOD* way to spread American Foulbrood, so it is best to feed the honey back to the colony it came from) The wax that comes out of the melter still needs to be cleaned bofore making candles with it (a beeswax crafting book can tell you how - Bob Berthold just wrote a nice one). This cleaning process will remove any honey, bee parts, pollen, etc. that didn't get separated by the initial melting process. Also, refer to the FAQ (don't know if it is archived yet - e-mail me and I'll forward you a copy) - there is a reference to hint sheets available from Andy Nachbaur - there is one on solar wax rendering. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. In article <9407260857.PN06539@LL.MIT.EDU>, killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) wrote: > > Question from someone who started their hive this spring: > > My bees tend to build comb where I don't want it. This is > normally hanging off the bottom of the frames and occasionally > between the frames. When there wasn't too much of it, I'd > scrape it off with my hive tool and leave it on the ground. > > Last weekend, when I was adding another super (;->) I took out > the queen excluder I had in place. There was alot of extra > space due to the frame of the excluder and the bees had built > comb both above and below the wire grid. The comb on top was > capped honey and the comb below had brood of various stages. > > I scraped both types into two plastic food containers, > respectively. The capped honey comb I just squished with a > fork and left the container on an incline for ~1 hour to > separate the wax and honey... mmm, mmm good! Now I'm left > with mostly empty comb. The larvae filled comb on the other > hand, I'm not sure what to do with. > > I've seen plans for a solar wax renderer but don't see exactly > how they work. It seems like the comb (containing honey, brood, > etc.) is placed on a screen in the sun. The wax melts and drips > down to a collecting pan. But wouldn't the honey drip down too? > This seems like a good way to separate the brood, though. > > I don't want to waste the wax the bees worked so hard to make. > Perhaps I'll use it for candles... but a candle filled with > different stages of bee brood might only be interesting to a > beekeeper! > > Any insights or pointers in this area would be helpful! Thanks, > > Mike Killoran > -- > Mike Killoran Zen says: > killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, > (617) 981-2667 Try to do good. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:08 EDT 1994 Article: 647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What do I do about skunks? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 13:27:21 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <313bm1$66o@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <313bm1$66o@news.doit.wisc.edu>, nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY) wrote: > This morning there were a lot of my bees by the door of the hive, all uupset. > I had noticed skunk smell all night. In the ABC to XYZ book, it says that > skunks eat bees!!! How do I get rid of these skunks? A couple of tricks I have heard about, but have not had to test out myself: 1) Put the hives on taller hive stands, so the skunks can't reach. I would guess that this has a couple of problems - skunks can climb, skunks can be rather tall when they stand on their hind legs, it can be hard to remove supers from the top of the hive. 2) Place something in front of the hive that the skunks will not walk on. I've heard of driving nails through a board so they protrude from the back side, and then leaving the boards, nails up, in front of the hive. Knowing me, I would forget about the darn board, and step on it myself! I'm not sure if it works, but I've heard that some animals don't like to walk on chicken wire when it is laid flat on the ground. 3) Put up a fence around the hives. This can be a lot of work, and skunks can dig, so the fence needs to go below the surface a bit. 4) Sprinkle liberal amounts of pepper, or other hot spice on the ground in front of the hive entrance. The theory on this one is that the skunk will walk on the pepper, get pepper on it's paws, and get some of the pepper when it eats the bees. "Hmm, these bees don't taste so good..." and the skunk leaves your bees alone. 5) Trap the skunk & move it elsewhere. This one has certain obvious risks. As I said above, I can't vouch for the effectiveness of any of these, but I'm sure others will have some comments of their own! Oh yah - I almost forgot the relatively sure fix - a rifle. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From adent@Deakin.Edu.Au Mon Aug 8 12:45:09 EDT 1994 Article: 648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!adent From: adent@Deakin.Edu.Au (ADRIAN GRAHAM DENT) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help!!!! Date: 2 Aug 1994 05:21:15 GMT Organization: Deakin University Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-ID: <31kl4b$l11@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: eros.ccs.deakin.edu.au From physikv@phys.canterbury.ac.nz Mon Aug 8 12:45:10 EDT 1994 Article: 649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!newton!physikv From: physikv@phys.canterbury.ac.nz (Kumar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening by putting in queen cell? Date: 2 Aug 1994 12:11:29 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31ld5h$65i@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newton.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) wrote: : In article , owen@rsnz.govt.nz : (Owen Watson) wrote: : > Has anyone tried the method of requeening by putting an-almost-ready queen : > cell on the frames, and letting supersedure take place? : I don't think this will work in a queen-right hive. I would think that the : existing queen would kill the queen in the cell before she ever emerges : (this is the way it works when a colony raises emergency queens to replace : a "lost" queen - the first queen to emerge runs around & chews holes in the : sides of all the other queen cells - the workers then finish the job by : pulling the pupa out of the cell and discarding it outside the hive). : This would be a good way to requeen a colony if you first eliminated the : old : queen, although you may want to place more than one queen cell, just in : case : you damage one "installing" it. This method of requeening is quite frequently used by commercial beekeepers in New Zealand, with claims of a 70-80% success rate. The cells are protected on the sides with tape, ensuring that the pupa inside has a chance to at least emerge. The cell does not need to be placed in the brood chamber - often it is placed in a super (with no excluder being used). It is an attractive idea from a labour-saving, "leave-it-alone" point of view, but I don't know how accurate the success rate really is, or whether anyone has ever done a controlled experiment. My only attempt with this method resulted in a swarm in the last month of Summer... Kumar From rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:11 EDT 1994 Article: 650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!rohvm1.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:30:15 -0400 From: rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: na Subject: Re: Question about making beewax candles Message-ID: References: <311471$26s@homer.mdd.comm.mot.com> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 23 In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <311471$26s@homer.mdd.comm.mot.com>, jong@mdd.comm.mot.com > (Edward Jong) wrote: > > > > When making beeswax candles, is it advisable to mix some > > parafin as well? Any suggestions for candle making. > > Addition of parafin will increase the chances that the candle will > drip. Also, once you add parafin, you can't sell your candles as > 100% beeswax. I am not aware of any advantages of adding parafin, > other than parafin is cheap. > I have the impression that candle crafters consider 100% beeswax candles to be a bit extravagant (after all, they use mostly parafin), and thus use it primarily as a minor additive. We, on the other hand, have access to lots more beeswax than they do. We can afford the luxury of pure beeswax candles. Go for it! -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:12 EDT 1994 Article: 651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!rohvm1.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:35:14 -0400 From: rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: na Subject: Re: What do I do about skunks? Message-ID: References: <313bm1$66o@news.doit.wisc.edu> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 24 In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <313bm1$66o@news.doit.wisc.edu>, nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu > (BEVERLY SEAVEY) wrote: > > > This morning there were a lot of my bees by the door of the hive, all uupset. > > I had noticed skunk smell all night. In the ABC to XYZ book, it says that > > skunks eat bees!!! How do I get rid of these skunks? > > A couple of tricks I have heard about, but have not had to test out myself: > > 1) Put the hives on taller hive stands, so the skunks can't reach. I would > guess that this has a couple of problems - skunks can climb, skunks can be > rather tall when they stand on their hind legs, it can be hard to remove > supers from the top of the hive. According to what I've read, the advantage of raising the hive to about 18 - 24 inches is that the skunk has to stretch upward to hassle the hive, leaving his underbelly exposed to the bees. Apparently they're much more effective there than trying to get through his back fur. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:13 EDT 1994 Article: 652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Subject: June 1994 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Message-ID: Keywords: newsletter june 1994 iowa Lines: 375 Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu Organization: Weeg Computing Center X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:18:06 GMT Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ JUNE, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARISTS REPORT What a fantastic spring for the bees we have had! You can expect lots of swarming if you have not managed the bees properly. It is time to start thinking about getting supers on your colonies and preparing for the harvest. That brings up the Iowa State Fair. Get involved this year. Enter some of your best product in the apiary division or perhaps cook something with honey to enter in the food division. It doesn't matter whether your bees produce dark or light honey, liquid or comb honey, beautiful beeswax or a nice observation beehive. There is a class for everyone. Think about putting in a bid for selling honey or beeswax at the Iowa Honey Producers Association Salesbooth at State Fair. We could really use good quality product and at the same time promote our favorite industry or hobby. I am finding the Varroa mite in many places around the state this year. Beware of this mite and treat if you have them. Time is running out to treat this spring, if not already past in most areas of the state. The black locust trees are blooming now (May 23rd) and some sweet clover is starting to bloom here in central Iowa. This is the time of year to put on supers for the bees to store surplus honey. In June there are local beekeepers meetings being held in Marshalltown, Iowa City and Davenport. For specific dates, places, and times consult the "Calendar of Events." These are a great opportunity to compare notes and see how other beekeepers do things. Why not pick one closest to you and attend it? If you want to be on a list of beekeepers wanting to retrieve swarms or need bees inspected before July 1st, give me a call at (515) 281-5736. - Bob Cox CENTRAL IOWA BEEKEEPERS MEETING The Central Iowa Beekeepers Association (CIBA) will hold their summer meeting at the Anson Park Shelter House in Marshalltown June 18th at 5:30 p.m. A member appreciation meal will be cooked and served by CIBA board members for continued support of the membership. The program will follow at 6:30 p.m. featuring Bob Mitchell, Tim Laughlin and Bob Cox (Mo, Larry and Curly?) For further information contact Margaret Hala (515) 752-2981. IOWA SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Saturday, July 23rd the Iowa Honey Producers and Central Iowa Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field day at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City, Iowa. The camp is located just 2 miles off of I-35 about 20 miles north of Ames. Registration is at 8:30 a.m. and the program will last until 4:00. Dr. Marla Spivak of the University of Minnesota Bee Research Laboratory will present a program on queen management: finding and evaluating the queen, queen selection, breeding, rearing methods, replacement and introduction methods. Everyone attending will get a copy of the new disease booklet published by the University of Minnesota. The morning will start out with a walking tour of bee plants on the grounds. Breakout sessions in the afternoon will include choices of Comb Honey Production, Pollen Trapping, Beginning Beekeeping, or Bee Diseases and Pests. The camp setting is a great place for beekeepers and their families. There is a beeyard with a screened-in observation building on the property. Some of the talks and lunch will be held in an air-conditioned retreat center. Pre-registration ($4.00 for single or family) is required for a prepared meal ($5.75 per adult) or you could bring your own lunch and eat at picnic tables outside. To register fill out the form on page 9 and send in with your check for the registration and meal. The registration fee at the door is $5.00. For further information contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Department of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Moines, IA 50319 (515) 281-5736 or Gordon Powell, 4012 - 54th St., Des Moines, IA 50310 (515) 278-1762. SCOTT COUNTY BEEKEEPERS FIELD TRIP Thurday, June 16th at 6:00 p.m. the Scott County Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field trip. Meet at Al Gruber's beeyard at 1945 Wisconsin St. on the west side of Davenport. This will be a hands-on experience in the beeyard or you may want to watch. Anyway, bring you own hat, beeveil and other personal gear if you have it. However, come even if you do not, because we will have some extra equipment for you to use. We will identify queens, swarm cells, and other aspects of a bee colony. We will demonstrate how to make splits and requeen colonies and when to place supers on colonies for surplus honey production. Hopefully, we will not have a rainstorm again. DIRECTIONS: Turn north on Wisconsin Street off of Locust, 1 1/4 miles east of I-280. Come and bring a friend. For further information contact Ray & Jo Whitwood (319) 263-0992. HONEY OF A VERSE "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins... And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild HONEY" (Mark 1:4,6) NOSEMA IN HONEYBEES by Carol Fassbinder (Hawkeye Science Fair Winner) In the past four winters the winter kill rate for honeybees in Iowa has been 50-75%. In my science fair project I wanted to determine if Nosema disease is a contributor to such a high winter loss. I predicted that the colonies that were treated with Fumadil-B will have little or no Nosema spores, and survive winter better than the colonies that were not treated. Procedure: I tested 8 different yards (averaging 26 colonies per yard) and gathered a 25-bee sample from each. Yards #1 and #2 were treated with Fumadil-B and winter-wrapped, #3 and #4 were treated and not wrapped, #5 and #6 were not treated but wrapped, and #7 and #8 were not treated and not wrapped for winter. At each yard I recorded the number of living colonies in the spring. I then dissected the bees by removing the head, then grasping the stinger end of the abdomen, and gently removing the insides. After removing the insides from 25 bees, the gut, ventriculus and honey stomach were ground up with 25 millilters of water (1 ml per bee) with a mortar and pestle. I used a wire loop to transfer a small amount of this solution onto the hemocytometer for counting the number of Nosema spores. Under a 430 power microscope I counted the Nosema spores in 80 small squares on a special grid and used a mathematical formula to calculate the correct number of spores per bee and the level of infestation. Results: The Nosema infestation is displayed in Table 1 and the winter survival rate is shown in Table 2 on page 4. In yards #1 and #2 (Fumadil & wrapped) the average spore count was 1,667 spores per bee, and they had an average winter survival rate of 85% and the amount of dysentery was extremely low. In yards #3 and #4 (Fumadil but not wrapped) there were 24,834 spores per bee and they had an average winter survival rate of 85% and was not much dysentery dtectable at these yards. In yard #5 and #6 (no Fumadil but wrapped) the average spore count was 66,665 spores per bee, and 83% winter survival raate and there was a fair amount of dysentery on the outside of the hives, but the inside of the hives were still clean. In yards #7 and #8 (no Fumadil & not wrapped) the spore count was 152,667 spores per bee, with only 31% surviving winter and dysentery covering the front of the hives, as well as the inside of the hives. Conclusions: It appears that if the bees are either well protected for winter by wrapping or treated with Fumadil-B, their winter survival is reasonable. However, if the bees are neither treated with Fumadil-B, nor protected by wrapping, they do not survive winter well. I conclude that winter protection is more important than treating with Fumadil-B (because of the added expense). If the bees are not protected, then treatment with Fumadil-B is essential. Since other factors play a part in winter survival, more reasearch needs to be done. (Carol is a 7th grader at Valley Community School and daughter of Robert and Kathy Fassbinder , commercial beekeepers from Elgin, Iowa.) Figure 1 - Number of Nosema Figure 2 - Winter survival rate spores per bee in the spring in the spring of 1994 after of 1994 after colonies were colonies were treated with treated with Fumadil (3+4), Fumadil-B or wrapped or both wrapped (5+6), both (1+2) or or neither. neither (7+8). CALENDAR OF EVENTS JUNE 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 16 Scott County Beekeeping Field Day 7:00 p.m. at Al Gruber's beeyard, 1945 Wisconsin St. in Davenport. 18 Central Iowa Beekeepers Dinner & Meeting 5:30 p.m. at Anson Park Shelter House in Marshalltown. Program at 6:30 25 IHPA Board Mtg. 1:00 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Church Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. WHAT TO DO ABOUT SWARMING (Reprinted from the Alaska newsletter - By Dr. Clarence Collison, Mississippi State University) Swarming is an instinctive desire of honeybees to increase their numbers by reproducing at the colony level, giving them twice the chance to survive. While this behavior is not fully understood, several factors contribute to the swarming impulse. The major factor is congestion in the brood area which is related to population size and availability of space. Swarming also is associated with the production and distribution of chemicals secreted by the queen. When there is a shortage of these secretions (queen substance), the bees make queen cells in preparation for swarming or supercedure (a natural replacement of an established queen by a daughter in the same hive). Swarming also may be modified by the weather. When colonies are strong and developing, good weather following some bad weather seems to accentuate the swarming fever. Other factors that contribute to swarming include poor ventilation, a failing queen, heredity and an imbalance in the makeup of the worker bee population. Most swarming occurs during April and May in Mississippi, and you need to check the colonies every 8 to 10 days during this season. The presence of queen cells in the brood area is the first indication the colony is preparing to swarm or supercede its queen. Swarm cells are commonly found on or near the bottom bars of the combs in the upper brood chamber(s). Whereas supercedure queen cells are generally found on the face of the comb. To check quickly for swarm cells, tip back the top brood chamber(s) and look up between the frames, destroy all (unsealed) swarm cells. Unfortunately, cutting out queen cells seldom prevents swarming; it only delays it since the bees usually construct more cells in a few days. Once the bees succeed in capping a queen cell, they are committed to swarming. (Tennessee Apiculture March-April 1991) I am not hard hearted--some of the time but I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who allow their bees to swarm when they don't watch their bees. July is our usual swarming time. This year the first swarm was reported June the 5th. Caging the queen first week of July to prevent swarming won't work as well this year due to the fact that the bees are swarming early. It will do the other jobs in to brood rearing, etc., that I write about. Cutting out queen cells--my way of saying it--it is a waste of time. Why? Because even experienced beekeepers miss them and when the bees have their jogging shoes on cutting out cells will not stop them, just slow them down a few days. Separate the brood from the queen by an excluder and give an uppper entrance. Let them swarm but stay in the hive. FOR SALE: queen excluders, Kelley 33-frame extractor, sump tank, 1" pump, Dadant Wax melter, Cowen uncapper, 2 - 3000 gal. S.S. corn syrup tanks, and more. Call days (608) 568-7601 or evenings (608) 748-4706. ESPY APPOINTS NEW MEMBERS TO NATIONAL HONEY BOARD Mike Espy, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, appointed two producer members, one exporter member and one cooperative member as well as alternates for each position to the National Honey Board. The new members' three-year terms commenced April 1 and expire on March 31, 1997. H. Binford Weaver, Navasota, Texas, was reappointed to serve as producer member representing Region 5 (Al, AR, LA, MS, MO, OK, TN and TX). Bobby E. Coy, Jonesboro, Arkansas was appointed as the alternate for Weaver. Stephen A. Conlon, Proctor, W.V. was appointed to serve as producer member representing Region 7 (CT, DL, DC, IL, IN, KY, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, NC, OH, PA, RI, SC, VT, VA, and WV). David E. Hackenberg, Lewisburg, PA was appointed as the alternate for Conlon. John (Doug) McGinnis, Edgewater, FL was appointed to serve as exporter member. Robert E. Coyle, Bellevue, WA, a honey importer, was appointed as the alternate for McGinnis. Newly appointed members of the nominating committee are: Jerry A. Brown, Haddam, KS; Glenn E. Davis, Blue Springs, MO; Todd D. Larson, Billings, MT; Joann M. Olstrom, Reedsport, OR; Glen R. Wollman, Parker, SD; Donald J. Kohn, Withee, WI; and Charles D. Hannum, Arlington, VA. Reappointed for three terms on the nominations committee are: Reg G. Wilbanks, Claxton, GA; Donald T. O'Neill, Baton Rouge, LA; Jacob C. DeKorne, Ellsworth, MI; Darl B. Stoller, Latty, OH and Stephen H. Dilley, Nashville, TN. FRANK PELLETT, APICULTURE PIONEER, REMEMBERED An excellent article about the Hyssop honey plant, a member of the mint family, by Ayers and Widrlechner was published in the May 1994 American Bee Journal. In this article quite a mention of Frank Pellett was made with respect to his work on this honey plant. The following is quoted from this article: "Because of his extensive writing on the subject, Frank Pellett (1879-1951), more than anyone else, created a place in U.S. apicultural history for A. foeniculum (anise hyssop). Mr. Pellett was a well respected apiculturist. He was the Iowa State Apiarist between 1912 and 1917, a Field Editor of the American Bee Journal for many years, and then an Associate Editor of the same publication, a position he held until the end of his life. He was instrumental in the pioneering research on American foulbrood. He initiated and operated the American Bee Journal's Honey Plant Test Gardens at Atlantic, Iowa. He was a careful observer who published books on the history of American beekeeping, queen rearing, practical beekeeping, horticulture, botany and ornithology (Anonymous, 1951), but he is probably most remembered by today's beekeepers for his magnum opus, American Honey Plants, which he revised several times through his life (1920, 1923, 1930, and 1947). His proclamations about bee forage in general (and anise hyssop in particular) demanded the respect of the apicultural industry." (Anonymous. 1951. Frank Pellett 1879-1951. American Bee Journal 91:234-237). 1994 SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Iowa Honey Producers & Central Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Saturday, July 23rd Riverside Bible Camp, 3001 Riverside Rd. Story City, IA 50248 Phone (515) 733-5271 Meeting Pre-registration $4.00 $________ (Deadline - July 16) At the door $5.00 $________ (No prepared meal available if not pre-registered)** Noon meal* in air-conditioned bldg. $5.75 $________ Through age 3 - No charge Children: Ages 4 - 10 yrs - $3.00 Ages 11 and up - full price * Includes soup, salad, BBQ sandwich & chips, bread/roll, coffee/milk/coolaid ** Picnic tables outside if you would rather bring your own lunch. 1994 MEMBERSHIP DUES: Iowa Honey Producers Association $5.00 $________ Central Iowa Beekeepers Association $4.00 $________ ================= TOTAL $________ MAKE CHECK PAYABLE TO: IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ASSN. SEND CHECK AND FORM TO: Gordon Powell 4012 - 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 (515) 278-1762 NAME______________________________________________________________ ADDRESS:__________________________________________________________ CITY:____________________STATE_________________ZIP________________ PHONE(____)_______________________No. of colonies_________________ 4/05/94 From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:15 EDT 1994 Article: 653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Subject: July 1994 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers newsletter Message-ID: Keywords: newsletter iowa july 1994 Lines: 427 Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu Organization: Weeg Computing Center X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:22:59 GMT Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ JULY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE Dear Fellow Beekeepers, I think it is 1988, but my age tells me it is 1994. The bees up until now look just like they did in 1988. In April and May the bees built up like they are suppose to do. I think they look great. Our queens were accepted just like they should be in our new splits and even as we were requeening. The bees were able to work the dandelions this year, as they haven't been able to the past three to four years. There was plenty of pollen and nectar for them and the queens started laying real well. I talked to several other people that ordered two and three pound packages the middle of April, and the first of June were putting on honey supers. The bees I have looked at the post couple of days were putting honey into the cells as fast as the brood was hatching. We have to be careful not let them plug up their brood chambers and crowd the queen out of laying space. I feel that this can cause swarming. We had a nice rain a few days ago, maybe about two inches or so. This should keep the flowers blooming for the bees. The weather has been great this spring. It's a refreshing change. Don't forget the Central Iowa/Iowa Honey Producers Field Day on July 23rd at the Riverside Bible Camp north of Story City. This should be a fun day for the family. State Fair is just around the corner, too. It is not as far off as it may seem. Start planning to enter into the Apiary, Foods made with Honey or Honey-Walnut Classic competition at the fair this year. There is great fun in doing this and prize money also. An entry form for Apiary has been included on page 7. SCOTT COUNTY BEEKEEPERS ANNUAL PICNIC Sunday, July 10th at 1:00 p.m. the Scott County Beekeepers Association will hold their annual picnic at the Duck Creek Park Shelters on East Locust Street in Davenport, Iowa. A collection will be taken up to pay for fried chicken catered from Riefes Restaurant. You should bring a side dish, salad or dessert to share and your own drink and table service. Come, bring a friend and compare notes on this year's honey crop. Bring a small sample of liquid, creamed, or comb honey for others to taste. Maybe this could be a time to make plans to take some of the best honey to the state fair in Des Moines in August. REMINDER TO ALL BEEKEEPING FAMILIES Help promote our favorite product--HONEY! Bring your favorite honey-sweetened snack to the July 23rd Beekeeping Field Day at the Riverside Bible Camp, Story City, Iowa. Share a tasty honey treat with us. See the program for the meeting on page 3. (insert Leo's signature) LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of Southern Iowa and Northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the "Inn of the Six Toed Cat." Dinner will be held at 6 p.m. and the program at 7 p.m. The following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. the Honey-Walnut Classic will also be held at the "Inn" in Allerton. Look for more details in next month's newsletter. CALENDAR OF EVENTS JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Bible Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. AUGUST 11-21 Iowa State Fair Apiary Exhibit, 2nd Floor of Agriculture Building. Come see the best! SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 10-11 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. WANTED: Contact with beekeepers who collect and market Bee Pollen. We are examining the nutritional qualities of pollen from various crops, as well as seeking suitable quantities for use in our Raw Food products. Contact Raja Tamaran, Vital Health Network, P.O. Box 570, Kealakekua, Hawaii 96750 phone: (808) 328-8052 FAX (808) 329-7651. FOR SALE: Dadant 4-frame stainless extractor with motor (will handle 8 shallow frames) - $250; 40 gal. galvanized tank with 2-inch gate - $50; 12 shallow supers with comb - $5.00 ea.; 7 deep supers with frames, 2 smokers, 2 bee veils, electric uncapper. My beeyard was destroyed by fire. Contact Don Kraus, Box 275, Britt, IA 50423 phone: 515-843-3133. FOR SALE: Dadant 4-frame s/s extractor. Hand crank or power drive. $125 w/out the motor. Call Phil Ebert in Lynnville, Iowa 515-527-2639. STATE APIARISTS REPORT Please sign up to help in the State Fair Honey Booth this year. It's a great way to spend a part of a day. (see sign-up on p. 6) The number of swarms this year must be at least double that of last year. I am running that far ahead on bee swarm calls here in my office. I think this year has caught a lot of beekeepers off guard after last year's slow and poor build up. You couldn't hardly split your bees enough this spring. Stan Weiser told me of the following incident that illustrates how frustrated he became with trying to stop a colony from swarming. Stan had been reversing the hive bodies, making splits, and cutting unsealed swarms cells to prevent swarming of his dozen or so colonies in his back yard near Adel. Despite all this he watched one of his colonies swarm one morning a couple of weeks ago. It landed in the top of an evergreen tree in his yard, about 30 feet off the ground. It made him so angry that he got out his 20 gauge shot gun and shot the swarm out of the tree. As soon as the swarm was hit, it dropped to the ground like lead. Then the bees dusted themselves off and all went back into the hive from which they issued. Believe it or not! (Explanation? Stan figures that he killed the queen and the demoralized swarm simply returned home.) Field inspectors will be starting in July and August. We are delaying inspections in the early summer so that we can save hours to inspect more next spring. I have been inspecting those requesting it, mainly in central and eastern Iowa. We will have the same inspectors as last year working in the same counties, with the exception of Bob Wells, who retired last July 1st. If you would like your bees inspected, contact my office in Des Moines. (State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace State Office Building, Des Moines, Iowa 50319 phone: 515-281-5736) Beekeepers who have treated their colonies with Apistan strips have been getting a clean bill of health with respect to Varroa mites. So far this year the highest levels of Varroa mites have been found in bees where the beekeeper was not aware that he had Varroa yet. Plan on treating with Apistan as soon as the honey is harvested from your colonies to avoid losses due to Varroa mites. Check any weak colonies for signs of American foulbrood disease (i.e. sunken, perforated, greasy, darkened cappings over brood with a "melted-down", gooey, chocolate-brown mass underneath the capping). These must be dealt with promptly to avoid spread to neighboring healthy colonies. The beekeeping class taught at the Des Moines Botanical Center will conclude this month with the final field trip to the beeyard to harvest honey (hopefully) and extract some honey to take home. We will meet at the beeyard Saturday, July 16th at 10:00 a.m. so that we can get done before its too hot. Don't forget the IHPA/CIBA Beekeeping Field Day July 23rd at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City. It should be a fun day for all the family. The meeting place is air-conditioned. Save time and a dollar by preregistering now on the form on page 9. We are really looking forward to Dr. Spivak's presentation as well as the rest of the program. A LAND OF MILK AND HONEY While driving through the Wisconsin countryside I saw a sign on the side of a barn with the slogan "Bee Udderly Cool, Drink Milk and Eat Honey." Many consumers today have an even better idea--eat honey-sweetened ice cream. Ranking 8th in the nation in milk production and around 15th in honey production, Iowa is also "A Land Flowing with Milk and Honey" (Bible - Exodus 3:8). Several years ago the Iowa Honey Producers Association got the idea to sell a small serving of honey-sweetened ice cream at the State Fair Salesbooth as a way of promoting this use of honey, as well as the use of honey in general. Several other state beekeeping organizations in the upper Midwest were selling honey ice cream and thought it was a winner. For example, Nebraska Honey Producers were contracting with the University of Nebraska for producing several flavors of honey ice cream, both soft and hard. Nebraska State Apiarist, Marion Ellis, offered to let us purchase some of their mix, but transportation during the hot summer seemed a problem. We then contacted several large Iowa Dairies about making us a small batch for our needs at State Fair. Anderson-Erickson (A-E) Dairy of Des Moines seemed to be the most interested and the most convenient because the State Fair is also located in Des Moines. In order to taste the honey flavor, we felt it was important to keep the flavors simple, so we tried Honey-Vanilla and Honey-Almond premium ice cream. We contacted the National Honey Board who provided technical support (commercial recipes, etc.). The Iowa Honey Producers Association provided a nice light-colored, mild-flavored clover honey for the manufacture of the ice cream. The first two years we sold out the 7000 servings of ice cream before the end of the Fair. Many people said they loved the ice cream and asked where they could purchase more of it. In fact, the second year we collected signatures on a petition asking A-E Dairy to offer this for sale in the local grocery stores. In 1992, A-E Dairy decided to produce honey ice cream commercially using Iowa Honey Producers Honey. In spite of delays due to the new nutrition labelling requirements, Honey Almond premium all-natural ice cream will be available to super markets in their marketing area by July 1st according to David Bush, general manager, A-E Farms, Inc. Additionally, A-E Dairy is teaming up with Sioux Honey Association of Sioux City, Iowa in a joint venture to develop and market honey-sweetened light ice cream. Test marketing will begin this summer according a June 1st Des Moines Register article. Honey-sweetened yogurt, dairy spreads and juice blends are also on the drawing board. Initial ice cream flavors will include honey-vanilla, chocolate, oatmeal-raisin cookie dough, mint-chocolate truffle, honey-almond and peanut-butter cup. The product will be in pints in the "super premium" category. We hope that the proposed products will be a big success and that the promotional efforts will pay off in a greater consumption of honey in our area, increased business opportunities and a better image of honey by the public. 1994 SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Iowa Honey Producers & Central Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Saturday, July 23rd Riverside Bible Camp, 3001 Riverside Rd. Story City, IA 50248 Phone (515) 733-5271 8:30 a.m. Registration - $5.00 for individuals or family (at the door) Sign up for door prizes. Preregistration (before July 16) $4.00. 9:00 a.m. Bee Pasture Walking Tour Jim Cherry 9:45 a.m. COFFEE BREAK with honey-made snacks that you bring. (door prizes) 10:00 a.m. IHPA President's Welcome Leroy Kellogg 10:05 a.m. CIBA President's Welcome Arvin Foell 10:10 a.m. Queen management Lecture - Dr. Marla Spivak 11:00 a.m. Demonstration of Queen management in the beeyard 12:00 M LUNCH (door prizes) 1:00 p.m. Concurrent Sessions A. Beginning Beekeeping (beeyard) Bob Cox B. Pollen trapping Jim Cherry 1:45 p.m. Concurrent Sessions A. Beginning Bee Diseases & Pests Bob Cox B. Comb Honey Production (beeyard) John Johnson 2:30 p.m. BREAK (door prizes) 2:45 p.m. Minnesota Research Update Dr. Marla Spivak 3:15 p.m. Hot Topics in Beekeeping Panel of Speakers 4:00 p.m. ADJOURN FARM AUCTION: July 16th at 9:00 a.m. at the Bob & Phyllis Gott residence, RR 1, Box 72, west of Ollie, Iowa. FOR SALE: s/s honey extractor, s/s bottling tank, 2 large s/s tanks, honey strainer, uncapping knife, 5 gal. plastic buckets, bee blower, foundation, new frames in box and other misc. beekeeping and farm equipment. DIRECTIONS: From Iowa Hwy. 78 turn north 2 miles west of Ollie Jct. at the Golden Furrow Fertilizer Plant. Go 1 mile north and 1/8 mile west to home on the south side of the road. Follow "Auction" signs. For more info. call Phyllis at 515-667-3611. FOR SALE: 7 2-story bee hives plus misc. equipment. Contact Raymond and Jo Whitwood in Muscatine, Iowa at 319-263-0992. FOR SALE: Dadant Gasoline-powered bee blower. Contact Edwin Richardson, 2103 E. 156th St. South, Grinnell 50112. (515) 236-6034. FOR SALE: Moving--must liquidate bee operation. 175 2-story hives - $50 @; 350 Illinois supers - $6.50 @; 40 shallow supers - $40 @; honey crop from 175 colonies - $40 @; 60-70 deep boxes (some w & some w/o frames) - $2 @; 40-50 shallow supers (some w & some w/out frames) - $1.50 @; 1 box deep foundation - $135; 2 boxes Illinois foundation - $140 @; 1 box cut-comb foundation $140; Dadant 20 frame stainless extractor - $1600; stainless capping tank - $200; 50 gal. stainless holding tank; other misc. beekeeping equipment - $400 = $21,000 for Complete Bee Operation. Contact Keith & Gail Rhodes in Fairfield, Iowa (515) 469-6628. PECAN HONEYBALLS (A.B.F. contest recipe) 1 cup butter or margarine 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/4 cup honey 2 teaspoons vanilla 2 cups sifted flour 2 cups finely chopped pecans Cream butter; add honey gradually; add flour, salt & vanilla. Mix well. Add chopped nuts & mix well. Form into very small balls. Place on greased cookie sheet and bake in 300 oven 40-45 minutes. Roll hot honeyballs in powdered sugar and repeat when cool. OBSERVATION HIVES--A REAL LEARNING EXPERIENCE During my eight years experience as a beekeeper, much of the factual knowledge I've gained has come from magazines, newsletters, bee meetings and talking with other beekeepers. Recently I've added my observation hive to that list of sources of bee information. It has been a good learning experience for me and can be for you if you decide to purchase or build one. In my small operation, the observation hive gets used more every year. It's been used for a demonstration in kindergarten, a children's sermon at church, at the Iowa State Fair, two craft shows, and at Cattle Congress in Waterloo. When at home, it is found by the window in the guest bedroom. My wife and son look forward to it's appearance every year. The glass-sided hive is really valuable when retailing honey at a craft show, because it's a good attention getter. Observation hives give the opportunity to watch bee behavior. Bees can be seen filling the cells with nectar, depositing pollen and propolis, feeding each other and taking care of the queen and brood. The queen provides most of the excitement by depositing eggs in the brood nest. The Iowa State Fair is a place to "show-case" observation hives in the apiary division. This year's fair is August 11-21. The rules for this class state that the observation hive must have a standard size frame on the bottom for brood and a shallow frame or comb honey section frame above, with bees and a marked queen. Observation hives must be built with adequate ventilation or the bees will overheat and die in the Ag building with no air conditioning. They must also have a closeable opening to allow the bees to exit the hive. Extra prize money is available for the first 15 places in this class at state fair. If you need assistance or plans to build an observation hive, I would be happy to assist you. (from Summer 1994 Central Iowa Beelines and written by Tim Laughlin) HONEY BEES AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION Several recent discussions across Internet computer network about bee-collected propolis and pollen have concluded that honey bees are excellent samplers of their environment. This has both good and bad aspects according to one of the pioneers in this field, Dr. Jerry Bromenshenk, University of Montana. Here are a couple of his "take home" messages concerning these insects as environmental monitors as they appeared in May Apis newsletter: 1. Honey bees serve as multi-media samplers that average the concentrations of pollutants over time and throughout large areas. Bees sample contaminants in all forms - gaseous, liquid, particulate - and can detect chemicals in their surroundings at levels often difficult, if not impossible, to detect using more conventional approaches - i.e. instrumentation. 2. Most of the contamination (at least as indicated by the concentrations measured) ends up in the bees themselves and in the pollen. Some chemicals concentrate in wax. Generally, honey seems to be less contaminated than pollen, bees, or wax. 1994 IOWA STATE FAIR WORK SCHEDULE Please indicate the day(s) and time(s) that you are willing to work by writing your name(s). Also, fill in your name, address and phone number at the bottom of the page. THURSDAY, AUGUST 11 TUESDAY, AUGUST 16 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) FRIDAY, AUGUST 12 WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) SATURDAY, AUGUST 13 THURSDAY, AUGUST 18 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) SUNDAY, AUGUST 14 FRIDAY, AUGUST 19 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) MONDAY, AUGUST 15 SATURDAY, AUGUST 20 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) NAME:________________________ SUNDAY, AUGUST 21 9:00-1:30____________________ ADDRESS______________________ 1:30-7:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ _____________________________ (Handing out samples) PHONE(_____)_________________ RETURN TO: W. John Johnson RR 4, Squaw Valley Ames, IA 50010 From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:16 EDT 1994 Article: 654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Subject: May 1994 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers newsletter Message-ID: Keywords: newsletter Lines: 427 Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu Organization: Weeg Computing Center X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:08:24 GMT Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ MAY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ HANDLING BEE PROBLEM CALLS Spring is the time when insects become active and some of the insects cause people problems. Beekeepers, pest control operators, bee inspectors, county extension, ASCS, police and fire department personnel may all receive telephone calls concerning "bees" causing problems. Many of these situations do not involve honey bees. Problems range from bees digging burrows in the garden, to angry hornets, to a large scale honey bee hive spill due to a truck wreck. Your first job in fielding this type of call is to determine, as best as you can, if it is an emergency because bees are stinging people and what type of insect is involved. The best way, if it is an emergency or you are close by and you have the time, is to go over and check out the situation yourself. However, that is not often possible and you should gather information over the phone. Ask about the location of the caller, the appearance of the insect, the number of insects, the location of the bees' activity or nest and the appearance of the nest, if they can see it. If there has been a highway accident with honey bee hives spilled out on the road, call a fire department to come to the scene with water and hoses. The fire department needs to add liquid soap or film forming foam to the water and spray bees down with this solution. A solution of at least 3% soap or foam will knock bees down and kill them. A fine spray is most affective for clearing the air of bees and making it safe to rescue victims from the wreckage. The time of the year will give you a clue as to the type of insect. Generally most calls in the spring and early summer involve swarms of honey bees. These may be either hanging from the limb of a tree or nesting inside a tree or inside the wall or soffit of a home or other building. If their combs are visible you will notice that they hang vertically. About 3/4 of the calls that come into the State Apiarists office here involved problem bees or wasps inside structures and the remainder are free hanging swarms of honey bees. The free hanging swarms (clusters) of bees that are low to the ground (up to 10 feet) are valuable to some beekeepers, especially in the month of May. Most beekeepers do not feel that removing colonies of bees from inside structures is a profitable use of time. But occasionally, there is a beekeeper who will remove a colony of bees from a building for a fee. If you determine that the caller has honey bees, call one of the beekeepers listed on the cover of THE BUZZ located nearest to you to obtain name of beekeeper in your local area. The county ASCS office may also have names and phone numbers of beekeepers registered for pesticide notification in your county. Honey bees do not often swarm after July. Therefore most of the calls in late summer and fall involve yellow jacket wasps and hornets. Hornets make a gray paper nest the shape of a football that hangs from the limb of a tree. The nest contains several horizontally stacked paper combs connected by pedestals and covered by several paper envelopes. An individual hornet is black in appearance with white markings and is larger than a honey bee. Yellow jackets range in size from smaller than a honey bee to as large as a hornet and have bright yellow and black stripes. Their paper nests are inside a structure like honey bees, but unlike honey bees, some species may also nest underground. If the nest is visible, you may see several layers of outside covering like the hornet nest and horizontal combs hanging by one or more pedestals. Some of these colonies may contain several hundred thousand individuals. These insects are the ones that ruin your picnics in the late summer and fall. They like anything sweet: your peanut butter and jelly sandwich, soda pop or fruit. They also eat insects and forage on car grills, eating the dead insects deposited there while driving. If you determine that the caller has yellow jacket wasps or hornets, it is best to refer them to local pest control operators. SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Saturday, July 23rd the Iowa Honey Producers and Central Iowa Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field day at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City, Iowa. There is easy access to the camp which is located just 2 miles off of I-35 about 20 miles north of Ames. Registration is at 8:30 a.m. and the program will last until 4:00. The University of Minnesota Bee Research Laboratory will present a program on queen management: finding and evaluating the queen, queen selection, breeding, rearing methods, replacement and introduction methods. Everyone attending will get a copy of the new disease booklet published by the University of Minnesota. We are planning on door prizes and honey-made snacks that you bring. The morning will start out with a walking tour of bee plants on the grounds. Breakout sessions in the afternoon will include choices of Comb Honey Production, Pollen Trapping, Beginning Beekeeping, or Bee Diseases and Pests. We will finish up the day with a research update from the University of Minnesota and a "Hot Topics" question and answer session. The camp setting is a great place for beekeepers and their families. There is a beeyard with a screened-in observation building on the property. Some of the talks and the noon meal will be held in an air-conditioned retreat center. Pre-registration is required for a prepared meal or you may bring your own lunch and eat at picnic tables outside. For more information contact one of the committee members: Margaret Hala, Leo Stattelman, Margaret Hala, Gordon Powell, Jim Cherry or Bob Cox. TO DO IN THE BEEYARD SWARM PREVENTION - Because the colonies that survived are so full of brood, you will need to split colonies, equalize brood or make two-queen colonies to prevent swarming this Spring. Reversing the two hive bodies when the top box fills up with brood, honey and bees will also help discourage swarming. Prevention is the key! CAUTION: Cutting out sealed queen cells may result in a queenless colony and will not usually stop swarming anyway; it's too late. MAKING INCREASE - Early in the month you can still make splits to replace winter losses and increase the number of colonies. Make them a little larger now (e.g. 6-7 frames of brood). CHECK FOR VARROA & FOULBROOD - ignoring these will not make them go away. CALENDAR OF EVENTS MAY 7-8 Queen Rearing Short Course, University of Minnesota St. Paul Campus, Call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-2275. JUNE 11 IHPA Board Mtg. 1:00 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 18 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 6:30 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Church Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. NEW NHB HONEY RECIPE FOLDER A new brochure (depicted on the front cover) published by the National Honey Board teaches cooks how to "make magic in minutes" with honey. The three-color, eight panel brochure is a collection of quick and easy tips for adding honey to dressings, desserts, drinks, sauces and spreads. Recipes vary from broiled bananas to lemonade to Dijon tarragon sauce. As the brochure cover explains: it's easy to drizzle, to dabble, to sizzle, to dazzle -- use honey. For a free sample of the "Make Magic in Minutes" brochure, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: National Honey Board Magic, 421 - 21st Ave., Ste. 203, Longmont, CO 80501. Quantities are available for 15 cents each. HAWKEYE SCIENCE FAIR AWARDS The state-wide Hawkeye Science Fair was held April 8-9 at the Merle Hay Mall in Des Moines. Two science fair projects involving honey bees deserve special recognition. Carol Fassbinder, 7th grader of Valley-Elgin school, had the best honey bee project and received a $50.00 award. In addition, she placed 2nd overall in the 7th grade Biology division. Carol studied the effect of treating for nosema disease and wrapping colonies on winter survival of honey bee colonies belonging to her family. Carol is the daughter of commercial beekeepers Bob and Kathy Fassbinder of Elgin, Iowa. A research article about this project will appear in the June BUZZ. Kristin Burgess, 10th grader from Stuart-Menlo school, received a $25 award for her interesting project entitled "The Smelling Bee". She obtained worker honey bees from Ken Lappe, beekeeper from Casey, to test the bees' preference for different fruit odors. She constructed a simple olfactometer and her testing revealed that the bees most often preferred the pear and least often to the orange and the apple in between when given a choice. EASTERN APICULTURE SOCIETY SHORT COURSE AND CONFERENCE The annual EAS short course and conference will be held in Lancaster, Pennsylvania July 11-15. The short course will offer a choice of beginning beekeeping or beekeeping as a business July 11, 12 and the morning of the 13th. The conference will be held during the balance of the week. Other activities include a tour of Dutch Gold Honey packing business and Kitchen Kettle Village, located in an Amish community. Speakers for the conference include: Andrew Matheson (IBRA), Jim Tew (USDA), William Towne, David Fletcher, Clarence Collison, Cliff Sunflower, and Theodor Cherbuliez; Master Beekeeper & M.D. on Apitherapy. Workshop highlights include presentations by Kim Flottum on "Generating Good Public Relations for Your Association or Business" and "Writing the Perfect Newsletter," Tom McCormack on marketing, Dennis Keeney on backyard queen rearing, Cliff Sunflower on developing effective school programs and much, much more. For more information on the conference and short course including a registration form and copy of the program, please contact: Joe Duffy Maryann Frazier 309 Clivden Street or Dept. of Entomology Glenside, PA 19038 501 ASI Bldg. (717) 885-1681 Univ. Park, PA 16802 (814) 865-4621 EAST CENTRAL IOWA BEEKEEPERS MEETING Monday March 14 the East Central Iowa Beekeepers met at the Fairgrounds in Iowa City. The 14 members present reported an average of 33% winter loss out of 186 hives collectively. An announcement was made about Paul Goossen teaching a beekeeping class at the Amana Middle School in Middle Amana. This is an 8-week course taught through Kirkwood Community College and beginning April 9th at 9:00 - 11:00 a.m. Dave Irwin lead a discussion about participating again this year at the Johnson County Fair. It was the consensus of the group to set up a table again with an observation bee hive if the fair board will give permission and to hand out honey candy. Cleo Troyer brought a video entitled Controlling Bee Emergencies to show to the group. The group watched the video which was produced for fire departments to instruct them on how to handle an overturned truck load of bee hives or nuisance colonies. The evening ended with the members attempting to assemble an observation bee hive that President, Terry Dahms, had purchased. The next meeting meeting is scheduled for June 13th at 7:00 p.m. in the basement of Montgomery Hall at the Johnson County Fairgrounds in Iowa City. Anyone interested in beekeeping is invited. NEW UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA VARROA RESEARCH New research from The University of Georgia may support the notion that secondary pathogens compound damage to bee colonies from Varroa mites. Experimental colonies infested with Varroa mites were treated with various combinations of Terramycin antibiotic and Apistan miticide. Each product increased body weight of mature hive bees of mixed ages. Additionally, Terramycin increased body weight of newly-emerged bees. Reduced body weight is one of the best documented effects of Varroa mites on honey bees, and low body weight is linked to a shortened lifespan. Since Terramycin counteracted this negative effect, supplemental antibiotic treatments, along with Apistan miticide, may optimize benefit to Varroa infested colonies. (from January 1994 APIS newsletter, Univ. of Florida, Gainesville) BAKERS WILL GET SWEET SURPRISE IN WELBILT BREAD MACHINES Purchasers of Welbilt bread machines will soon get a bonus -- the National Honey Board's "Breads & Spreads" brochure. The brochure includes recipes for Honey Whole Wheat Bread, Poppy Seed Loaf, Dutch Dill Bread and Cajun Tomato Bread. Honey spreads are highlighted in the brochure as delectable toppings for breads, muffins and rolls. The Welbilt Corporation inserted the brochures in 100,000 of its bread machines. "I tried all of the recipes myself and the results were delicious" said Mary Humann, marketing director for the National Honey Board. Humann added that the bread recipes were developed especially for the Welbilt machines -- adjustments to the recipes may be required when they are used with other machines. The Honey Board has a limited quantity of bread machine brochures available. If you would like a free copy, please send your request to: Bread Machine Brochure National Honey Board 421 - 21st Ave., #203 Longmont, CO 80501 HONEY BARBECUE SAUCE 1/2 cup minced onion 1 clove garlic, minced 1 tablespoon vegetable oil 1 can (8 oz.) tomato sauce 1/2 cup honey 2 tablespoons vinegar 2 tablespoons minced parsley 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce 1/4 teaspoon black pepper 1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper Saute onion and garlic in oil until softened. Add remaining ingredients and bring to boil; reduce heat and simmer 5 minutes. Makes 1 cup. Marinate beef, chicken or pork in sauce. Brush on meat during barbecuing or broiling. Quick tip: Add 1/4 cup honey to 1 cup of your favorite prepared barbecue sauce. HONEY HERB BARBECUE SAUCE 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup minced onion 1/4 cup dry white wine 1 tablespoon each lemon juice and chopped fresh rosemary* 1 clove garlic, minced Salt and pepper to taste Combine all ingredients in saucepan and bring to boil. Reduce heat and simmer 5 minutes. Makes 1 cup. Marinate chicken pieces at least 1/2 hour before barbecuing or broiling; brush chicken with sauce during cooking. *One teaspoon dried crushed rosemary may be substituted. HONEY LIME MARINADE 3/4 cup honey 2/3 cup fresh lime juice 1 tablespoon grated fresh ginger root 2 teaspoons minced garlic Combine all ingredients; mix well. Makes 1-3/4 cups. Marinate chicken or turkey cutlets at least 1/2 hour before grilling or broiling; brush cutlets with marinade during cooking. (Recipes courtesy of the National Honey Board) IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS BOARD MEETING NEWS The board of directors of the Iowa Honey Producers Association met March 12th in Cambridge. Highlights included planning a summer field day, the decision to sell honey lemonade instead of honey ice cream this year at the Iowa State Fair and selling of the new National Honey Board's honey cookbook. These new cookbooks are available now through the mail and will be available at the Summer Field Day in July (see article elsewhere in BUZZ). John Johnson asked for more help for staffing the State Fair Salesbooth again this year. Note was also made that the Fair is one week earlier than in recent years. Bid sheets for honey sales will be published in the June BUZZ newsletter and the work schedule sign-up in the July issue. The next meeting of the board is scheduled for Saturday June 11 at 1:00 at the Royal Cafe in Huxley. CLEO TROYER OF KALONA DIES Cleo Troyer, just 10 days shy of his 70th birthday, died Tuesday, April 19 at University of Iowa Hospitals in Iowa City. Cleo had surgery for a brain tumor at the end of March and seemed to be doing fine when he died suddenly. His funeral was April 22 at the Lower Deer Creek Mennonite Church near Kalona, where he was an active member. The church is large and was packed with family and friends. Cleo was a long time beekeeper and was active in the East Central Iowa Beekeepers. He will be remembered for the help he gave to us less experienced beekeepers and his enthusiasm for beekeeping. At past meetings he had demonstrated a bee removal vacuum he purchased, a home-made video on beekeeping that starred himself, and at the March 14 meeting a video on bee emergencies he had purchased. We will miss him. For a combined total of 26 years he was either on the City Council or mayor of Kalona. In a Cedar Rapids Gazette article about Cleo, a resident was quoted as saying Cleo knew where every line, every pipe was in Kalona, along with the history of everything. At his funeral service, many were wiping eyes and blowing noses. The community of Kalona will dearly miss him too! - Terry Dahms President, East Central Iowa Beekeepers FOR SALE: Approx. 75 - 5 11/16" honey supers with drawn comb, fair condition $2.00 each. Approx. 50 - 5 11/16" honey supers w/ and w/o frames and no comb, good condition $1.00 each. Empty deep supers (shells), fair condition $1.00 each. Several hundred unassembled 9 1/8" and 5 3/8" frames, grooved top bars. Plus lots of misc. equipment. Will sell cheap. Great for a beginner. Call (712) 589-3606 in Braddyville, Iowa. FOR SALE: CLOVER HONEY IN BARRELS OR PAILS. CALL Lapp's Bee Supply Center. 1-800-321-1960 WARNING!! The following warning was sent to Bob Cox, Iowa State Apiarist, by Mississippi's State Apiarist, Harry Fulton. Russell Apiaries, J.N. Russell proprietor, of Bolton, MS is advertising in national bee magazines but is not certified in Mississippi. The owner is refusing inspection. Packages from Russell Apiaries should not be purchased for shipment to Iowa because it would be an illegal shipment. Additionally, these bees may be carrying diseases or parasites damaging to your other colonies and your neighbor's. A HONEY OF A VERSE "The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing." (Proverbs 20:4) It's time to be in the beeyard preparing your bees to make honey. From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:17 EDT 1994 Article: 655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Subject: August 1994 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers newsletter Message-ID: Keywords: august 1994 iowa newsletter Lines: 427 Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu Organization: Weeg Computing Center X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:27:05 GMT Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ AUGUST, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT We now have two field inspectors working in the western part of the state and the 12th of the month we will start inspecting in northeastern Iowa. We are looking for an experienced beekeeper to inspect for about 6-8 weeks this fall and 6-8 weeks next spring in the northcentral, central and/or the southeast part of the state. The beekeeper must reside in one of those areas to qualify. If you are interested or have any suggestions for someone who might be, give me a call at 515-281-5736. The honey flow has slowed considerably since June. However, many beekeepers are reporting a good crop from clover already and are hoping for some late flows from soybeans and wildflowers. The southeast part of the state looks to be the best, especially considering that they have had almost no crop for four years. This is a good time of the season to take some of that nice light colored honey off the hives and keep it separate. The extraction process is much simpler with fewer robbing bees and the honey temperature warmer. This is also a good time to prepare products to enter in the State Fair. All you need is six jars of honey, sections of comb honey, a frame of honey, a 3-pound chunk of beeswax, candles, or an observation beehive to enter. Fill out the entry form in last month's newsletter and send in with the nominal entry fee. If you need help getting entries to the fair in Des Moines, let me know, and I'll see if I can find someone else in your area who is coming to the fair. BOOK REVIEW: Almond Pollination Handbook by Joe Traynor You might ask why should an Iowa beekeeper be interested in a handbook on almond pollination. I'll give you two reasons. 1.) Many of the principles of pollinating almonds also apply to pollinating any crop, especially other tree fruits. 2.) The demand for honey bees to pollinate California almonds and the opportunity to earn some cash during an off-time of the year may be attractive to some Iowa beekeepers. The book is divided into two sections, the first section for the almond grower and the second for the beekeeper. Topics for the grower include: orchard design for pollination, renting bees, pollination management, bee removal and alternate insect pollinators. This section makes this book the ideal gift for an orchardist for which you are currently providing pollination services or a prospective customer. A similar manual for fruit growers in Iowa (primarily, apples and some cherries, pears, plums, peaches and apricots) would certainly be valuable. The section written for the beekeeper covers topics such as pollination agreements, state regulations, theft, bee delivery, pesticides, preparing colonies, bee removal, time and duration of bloom and grower-beekeeper communication. This 86-page handbook is well written and printed on nice glossy paper, well organized for easy reference, and has some nice color photography. And last, but not least, the price is right-- $7.00 (which includes shipping and handling). To obtain a copy send a check to Kovak Books, P.O. Box 1422, Bakersfield, CA 93302. LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of Southern Iowa and Northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the "Inn of the Six Toed Cat." Dinner will be served at 6 p.m. and the program to follow at 7 p.m. "The Honey Market: What's Out There?" will be the theme of the conference. Lisa Terry, the 1994 American Honey Queen from Northfield, Minnesota, will be one of the guest speakers for the evening. Joining her will be Leon Metz, honey packer from Hazel Green, Wisconsin. Do join us for dinner and for this timely program. For further details and reservations contact: Ann Garber 515/872-3119 by Tuesday, September 6th. The fourth annual Honey-Walnut Classic will be held the following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. on the east portico of the "Inn" in Allerton. This popular event honors the historic "Iowa-Missouri Honey War, 1838-1841." NATIONAL HONEY BOARD ANNUAL MEETING HELD The National Honey Board held its annual meeting in Denver June 17. The Board elected Neil Miller, Blackfoot, Idaho, as its new chairman during the meeting. Randy Johnson, Nampa, Idaho, was elected as vice president and Steve Klein, Marshall, Minnesota, was re-elected as secretary/treasurer. Two additional Board members, Binford Weaver, Navasota, Texas, and Larry Krause, Riverton, Wyoming, were elected to serve on the Board's Executive Committee. The Executive Committee is responsible for the conduct of duties and policies outlined by the National Honey Board. The Board administers an industry-funded national research, promotion and consumer information program to increase domestic honey consumption and U.S. honey exports. The board member's work at the meeting also included allocating funds for the 1995 plan year. "The Board will be reviewing the Committee's work this fall," said Neil Miller, chairman of the National Honey Board. "Before the Board spends a dime, we review the program plans to ensure that they uphold the Board's mission -- to support a strong and viable domestic honey industry by creating a dynamic marketplace for honey and honey products." 4-H ESSAY CONTEST NEEDS ENTRIES (from June 1994 APIS newsletter) What does it take to get 4-Hers to sit down and write an essay? That's the burning question those at the American Beekeeping Federation (ABF) and myself are asking after looking at the results of last year's 4-H essay contest. Only fifteen (15) states submitted winners and (Iowa) was not among them. In addition, the vast majority of these states had only one to two entries to choose from. There are three top cash prizes each year ($250, $100 and $50), plus the winner in each state is awarded a book on beekeeping. This boils down to one fact: there's a great opportunity to win something by simply entering! The rules for this year's contest have just been announced. The topic this year is much different than from previous contests. The essayist is asked to write an original story on honey bees suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. Suggested titles include: The Busy Little Bee, I Like Honey, A Trip to the Apiary, or My Friend, the Beekeeper. There's plenty of time to get a story together for this year's contest; deadline is April 1, 1995! Full contest rules are available from Bob Cox, State Apiarist, phone 515-281-5736 or the ABF Office, phone 912-427-8447. A BEGINNER'S BAIT HIVES by Peter Coyle Having read in John Vivian's book, Keeping Bees, about "bees for free," by placing bait hives in trees and then, again in the Aebi's book about their bait hives, my Scottish parsimony took over. Last year I made my first swarm trap and was excited when some scout bees started sniffing around and into it. However, some of Walt Disney's beloved delinquent squirrels knocked on wood, tasted it and found it good, wherein the bees departed. Unable to harass my bees during the winter, I turned to collecting on bait hives, which being a novice in the beekeeping game, is my substitute for knowledge. I got Cornell's, "Bait Hives for Honey Bees" by Seeley, Morse and Nowogrodzki and could just see the bees rolling in. Then there were the articles by Schmidt, Thoenes and Hurley, from the American Bee Journal, which explained the importance of pheromone lures, which I just knew I had to have. I could visualize all those winter clusters of bees over half of Iowa impatient to zoom into my traps. However, a catalog price of twenty dollars for what they described as being made of inexpensive material, and what I gathered would only be a kind of paper mache, deep, brood box, sent me to the workshop with cardboard and thin plywood scraps to construct an alternative. I had read that a volume roughly the size of a deep hive body was most favored, (although recently opinion has changed). Climbing ladders and trees with a full box of bees required the box to be as light as possible. Everything I made had a coating, externally, of roof cement, thinned with mineral spirits to sicken the squirrels off and I capped each hive with a lid made from discarded aluminum soffit to keep everything dry. Internally, each had homemade rough frames of standard dimension with a waxed starter strip which would easily transfer to a deep hive body. I then sat and itched for Spring. The last week in April, I was out with the ladder visiting friends who might have suitable spots in trees about ten to twelve feet up, with morning sun and afternoon shade, just as the literature suggested. Now, at the end of June, I have had three swarms from one hive and two from another, with scout bees still buzzing around the emptied boxes. The first swarm, which I weighed like a proud father, was five and a half pounds and made some nice comb honey for me. The last one, which was so big it filled the whole trap and had a pound or two of bees still outside, I collected in a screened box using a funnel and transferring it to a medium super of foundation and two round section supers at dusk, feeling exhilarated beyond measure. However, the next day, when I looked in the afternoon, they were gone, leaving me as devastated as I had been exhilarated. Too late, I now have two homemade entrance guards. In collecting one swarm which had started to build comb from the bottom of the trap, I missed the open sack on the end of a pole, held helpfully by my companion and neighbor, Cheryl, and brushed a couple pounds of less than happy bees on her head. This made me more acquainted with the language of liberation. Two other bait hives in suburbia have never had a snifter so far. Perhaps in bee real estate the three most important things are location, location and location. My experience, limited as it is, suggests that I should err on the large side with the boxes, worrying less about the spaces around the frames, as the bees are unlikely to construct burr comb between inspections, although one swarm built comb on about a third of nine frames in just a couple of days. The mistakes I made were very instructional, if humbling. Ah, but just wait until next year. FOR SALE: 7 bee hives, two-story plus misc. equipment. Contact Raymond and Jo Whitwood, Muscatine. phone (319)263-0992. FOR SALE: 55-gallon drums $6.00 each; 20 or more $5.00 each. Call Harry Hunter in Des Moines at (515)266-1984. FOR SALE: Stainless 8-frame extractor with Dayton electric motor, cappings knife and misc. supers, frames, lids & boxes. Asking $200/offer. If interested call Des Moines at (515)270-8726, leave message if no answer. FOR SALE: Kelley electric, vibrating uncapping knife with electric motor $175; Kelley steam vibrating uncapping knife $125; Dadant electric stainless mini-melter $350; C.C. Pollen Co. traps used only one season $30 each. Call Monroe Neihart near Clarinda (712)582-3200. FOR SALE: Qualitly Section Comb Honey in Cartons $1.90 each. Call Stanley Weiser, 2674 - 303rd Pl. in Adel. Ph: (515)993-3126. "Butter and HONEY shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good." (Isaiah 7:15) CALENDAR OF EVENTS AUGUST 11-21 Iowa State Fair Apiary Exhibit, 2nd Floor of Agriculture Building, State Fairgrounds, Des Moines Open daily 9:00 a.m.- 9:00 p.m. Come see the best! SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 9-10 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. 12 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 15 Scott County Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. at Riefes Restaurant, Locust St., Davenport. 17 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting at Royal Cafe in Huxley. Buffet dinner at 5:30 p.m., Business Meeting 6:30 p.m. and Program at 7:30 p.m. (We will try again to show the Bee Emergency Video.) NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. FOR SALE: Home Study Course "Rearing Honey Bee Queens in the Northern U.S." (with manual and video tape) by Dr. Marla Spivak and Gary S. Reuter, the University of Minnestota. $40.00 Contact Dept. of Entomology, University of Minnesota, Hodson Hall, St. Paul, MN 55108-6125 or call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-4798. Dear Beekeeper Friends, I am writing this short announcement to let you know of the recent loss of my father, Russell Stephenson of Williams, Iowa. He died suddenly in his home on May 19th at the age of 77. As some of you know, he sold his business, "Stephenson Honey Farms" in 1993 and retired. He loved the beekeeping business and being able to work in the outdoors. He offered great assistance and advise to several beekeepers and those interested in the field during his life. My father enjoyed talking to many of you over the years and sharing the constant cares and concerns of the Midwest beekeeper. [Editor: I certainly enjoyed getting to know Mr. Stephenson when inspecting his equipment for the sale. He had an efficient way to handle frames during the extracting process and developed a unique way of removing excess moisture from his honey after it was extracted and checked his own bees for tracheal mites with his microscope. He certainly applied his engineering skills learned in his silo construction company to the beekeeping business.] Thanks for being a special part of my father's life!! He will be greatly missed! -Thomas Russell Stephenson and The Stephenson Family OTHER INSECTS OCCUPYING BEE HIVES Sometimes beekeepers may become alarmed or at least concerned about insects other than honey bees inside their hives. At times the beekeeper may see cockroaches, ants, beetles, spiders and wax worms (moth larvae) occupying their bee hives. As a general rule healthy, populous colonies are not damaged by these insect guests. Many times wax moths are blamed for the death of colonies. This is almost never the case in Iowa. The wax moth larvae are nature's clean-up crew after a colony dies. This can actually be helpful if the colony died from American foulbrood disease by reducing the probability of spreading the disease to neighboring colonies. The best way to prevent damage to your combs after the colony has died is to keep an eye on your bees and pick up any empty hive equipment from the beeyard. The primary problem beekeepers encounter is in storing empty beeswax comb, especially brood comb during the warm summer months. A few years ago several products were available for fumigating or treating stored beeswax combs. These products are designed to kill insects, therefore fumigated combs should always be aired out for a few hours before placing them on the bees. Most recently, the product "Paramoth" (PDB - Paradichlorobenzene) is no longer available for bee equipment. I've heard conflicting reports from beekeeping supply houses as to the fate of registration of this product for treatment of beeswax combs. One story is that PDB is a carcinogen and EPA has withdrawn registration for use on beeswax. Another beekeeping supply dealer says they will have approval from EPA to sell PDB later this fall. Outside of using chemical products, combs can be placed in a deep freezer for a few days to kill any adult moths, larvae or eggs. Additionally, the moths do not like light or fresh air. Therefore, storing combs in a way that they are exposed to both of these elements may be of some help. Light colored combs from honey supers are pretty safe from the moths. Another system that may work for you is to keep empty comb stored on the colonies where the bees will keep the moths out during the warm months (June, July, August, September and October). Then, bring in empty equipment and store in an unheated building for the winter and nature will give them a cold treatment. Dear Iowa Honey Promoter: Along with getting your honey harvested, it's time to plan to promote your state's beekeeping or honey exhibit at your local fair or festival. To aid in honey promotions Media kits are available from the National Honey Board by contacting Sherry Jennings, Industry Relations Director at (303)776-2337. Media kits include: a story on pollination, newsreleases, summer recipe tips and two new recipe leaflets -- "Bringing You Nature's Bounty Is Our Line" and "Make Magic in Minutes." Use the media kit to give to local newspaper editors, television news shows and radio stations the latest buzz on honey. BRINGING YOU NATURE'S BOUNTY IS OUR LINE -- Recipes from NHB. Back to Nature Cookies 1/2 cup shortening 1 cup honey 2 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla 1-3/4 cups whole wheat flour 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon cinnamon 2 cups quick-cooking oats 1/2 cup chopped nuts 1/2 cup finely chopped apple 1 cup raisins In a large mixing bowl, cream shortening and honey until fluffy. Add eggs one at a time, beating well after each addition. Stir in vanilla. In medium bowl, stir together flour, soda, baking powder, salt and cinnamon. Add dry ingredients to honey mixture, beating until smooth. Stir in oats, nuts, apple and raisins. Drop by teaspoonfuls onto greased cookie sheets about 2 inches apart. Bake at 350 F 10 to 12 minutes or until cookies are golden brown. Makes about 5 dozen. Honey Pork Chops & Apples 6 pork loin chops (about 3/4-inch thick) Salt, pepper and ground sage 2 Granny Smith or other tart apples 1 tablespoon butter or margarine 1/4 cup HONEY 6 Maraschino cherries (optional) Brown chops slowly in skillet; remove to shallow baking dish. Season chops with salt, pepper and sage. Core and slice apples into 1/2-inch rings. Add butter to skillet and saute apple rings until crisp-tender. Place 1 apple ring on each chop. Cover and bake at 300 F for 30 minutes. Drizzle honey over apples and chops; baste with drippings. Cover and bake 15 minutes longer or until pork is fully cooked. Place cherry in center of apple rings before serving. Makes 6 servings. Honey-Kissed Fruit (Microwave Method) 1/4 cup honey 1 teaspoon grated orange peel 2 fresh pears, pared, cored and halved 1 can (5-1/4 oz.) pineapple chunks, drained 1 cup each red and green grapes, halved, seeded Blend honey and orange peel; set aside. Place pears in 4 microwave-safe serving glasses; drizzle with honey mixture. Cover each glass with plastic wrap; vent. Microwave at HIGH (100%) 3 to 5 minutes or until pears are tender. Combine pineapple and grapes. Divide evenly between servings and sprinkle over pears. Serve warm or cold. Makes 4 servings. Honey Cloverleaf Rolls 1 package (16 oz.) hot roll mix 6 tablespoons honey, divided 1/4 cup butter or margarine 1 teaspoon grated lemon peel 1 cup sliced almonds Prepare dough according to package directions, adding 2 tablespoons honey to liquid. Cover kneaded dough with bowl and let stand 5 minutes. Melt butter and remaining honey; stir in lemon peel. Roll dough into 36 balls (about 1 to 1-1/2 inch diameter). Form clusters of three balls, dip each in honey mixture and then almonds. Place each cluster in well-greased muffin cup. Let rise 30 minutes or until doubled in bulk. Bake at 350 F 15 to 20 minutes or until lightly browned. Brush with honey mixture, if desired. Makes 12 rolls. Honey Cranberry Butter 1 cup butter, softened 1/4 cup HONEY 1/4 cup chopped cranberries* 1/4 cup cranberry sauce 2 tablespoons ground walnuts 1 tablespoon milk 2 teaspoons grated orange peel Cream butter and honey in medium bowl. Add cranberries, cranberry sauce, walnuts, milk and orange peel. Whip until light pink in color. Serve at room temperature; store in refrigerator, tightly covered. * Use fresh or frozen cranberries, if desired; chop before thawing. New NHB recipe folder; see page 7 for recipes. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:18 EDT 1994 Article: 656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Wed, 03 Aug 94 10:06:08 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 66 Message-ID: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" thread that has been going on the past few days. The scenario was that a hive died last year and now the owner is wondering what's going on in the hive this season. I've been keeping this to myself, and have been watching others' responses/suggestions and have been shocked that none has mentioned what poor beekeeping practice it is to have not addressed the situation until now. I know that it's a newbie who has the problem and I realize it's the first exposure the newbie has with keeping bees and we should be gentle. So as gently as I know how I have to ask, "What the hell have you been doing that was so important that you haven't addressed the problem until the end of July!?" Oops, be gentle. Disease is nothing to take lightly. When a hives dies, a beekeeper should first close up the hive to make it as inaccessible as possible to other bees. This should have been done as soon as it was sure the hive was dead (was it February?). Robber bees WILL show up if there is honey left and if no honey is left then investigator bees WILL show up just to check things out. If any disease is present, the robbers/investigators WILL take it back to their home hive. So first and foremost, the hive should have been sealed. Spreading disease was not a concern to the owner (as it was the only hive) but there may be neighbors with bees who could pick up disease from an unattended hive. Beekeepers have a responsibility to protect not only their own apiary but the apiaries of others and feral populations as well. After a dead hive has been sealed it should be determined what caused the hive's demise and action should be taken accordingly. If starvation was the cause, the equipment can be reused and should be restocked ASAP. However if disease was the culprit, different measures are in order (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for treatment by fire). If it can't be determined what the cause was, it's best to err on the conservative side. When it doubt, burn it out! Drastic yes, but it's cheaper to replace an empty hive that to restock a diseased environment only to have it die out again. Finally, I have to say again, the time to do this was as soon as the problem was noticed. There is just no excuse to have not taken care of this problem in the spring (and EARLY spring at that). Inexperience can only be overcome by gaining experience. All the discussion of the possibility of a swarm moving in and discussions of the danger of wax moths would not have taken place had the problem been addressed in a timely manner. Not meaning to get on the guy's case (I was a newbie once myself), but the description of being timid to look in the hive for fear of getting stung says to me that the guy is pursuing the wrong hobby. You're working with bees. Stings come with the territory. Get used to it. And while I'm on my soapbox, does anyone else have a problem with the moth balls on top of the frames suggestion? Especially when the very same posting states that the wax WILL absorb moth ball chemicals! Can you spell honey contamination? I can just picture a honey judge: "Hmmm. Nice color. Pleasant order with just the right subtle undertones of moth balls!" Glad I am that I've never had the pleasure. Sorry to have flamed away here (torches blazing!). It isn't my intent to put the guy down and I don't want to discourage his interests, but if you're going to keep bees, then keep bees. If you are going to have bees, don't. Beekeeping is an active pursuit. Beehaving is a disservice to the bees you have and the bees kept by others in your area. I will apologize in advance to the posters of the articles if they take offense to the tone of my response. I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just stating rather forcefully what should be good practice in keeping bees. From sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:20 EDT 1994 Article: 657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!sandrock From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: 3 Aug 94 20:36:32 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.scs.uiuc.edu SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: >... So as >gently as I know how I have to ask, "What the hell have you been >doing that was so important that you haven't addressed the problem >until the end of July!?" Oops, be gentle. Well, since you ask, I'll give you a few highlights. In March both sump pumps failed and the lower level of my house flooded. In April I spent several weeks supervising a severely depressed, suicidal acquaintance, (it's a *long* story), including having to hang onto the person by one arm as she hung off a two-story overpass at O'Hare airport in Chicago. Including flying to Germany to escort the person to a hospital there since the airline would not agree to allow her to fly alone. There have been other personal crises, less spectacular, but no less time-consuming--I'm a single parent of three teenage boys, so crises come with the territory. Actually I did have the hive stored in my garage for part of the time. My mistake was putting in back out in the garden before I was certain I would have the time to work on it. I should have sealed the hive in plastic rather than putting it back out. I realize this now. So, mea culpa! >After a dead hive has been sealed it should be determined what >caused the hive's demise and action should be taken accordingly. If >starvation was the cause, the equipment can be reused and should be >restocked ASAP. However if disease was the culprit, different measures >are in order (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for >treatment by fire). If it can't be determined what the cause was, >it's best to err on the conservative side. When it doubt, burn it out! >Drastic yes, but it's cheaper to replace an empty hive that to restock >a diseased environment only to have it die out again. The neighbor in back, a former bee-keeper and a retired professor of entymology, opened the hive last October and felt that the colony was so weak that it would probably not survive the winter, and it turned out he was right. The bees didn't starve. They may have simply died of cold. Also, I did have the hive stored in my garage for several months, and as of early July there was no sign of moths. Nor had there been any appearance of foul-brood, I did have the fellow in back take a look at some frames to be certain. >Finally, I have to say again, the time to do this was as soon as the >problem was noticed. There is just no excuse to have not taken care >of this problem in the spring (and EARLY spring at that). I think you've made the point rather well, my friend!! >... Not meaning to get on the guy's case (I was a newbie >once myself), but the description of being timid to look in the hive >for fear of getting stung says to me that the guy is pursuing the >wrong hobby. You're working with bees. Stings come with the >territory. Get used to it. If you'll recall, my concern was not being stung, but being attacked by a swarm of bees. Something I had read indicated that this might be a possibility and that it could endanger other people and animals in the vicinity, so I was checking before plunging ahead. A few stings I think I can handle, having been stung before. Maybe the author was exagerating, but how do I know unless I ask? >Sorry to have flamed away here (torches blazing!). It isn't my intent >to put the guy down and I don't want to discourage his interests, but >if you're going to keep bees, then keep bees. If you are going to >have bees, don't. Beekeeping is an active pursuit. Beehaving is a >disservice to the bees you have and the bees kept by others in your >area. No problem. I don't feel put down. I respect your conviction. >I will apologize in advance to the posters of the articles if they >take offense to the tone of my response. I don't mean any disrespect, >I'm just stating rather forcefully what should be good practice in >keeping bees. No offense taken here. Thanks for your post. Mark Sandrock -- Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:21 EDT 1994 Article: 658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Wed, 03 Aug 1994 17:52:44 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" > thread that has been going on the past few days. The scenario was [lots of good stuff deleted for brevity] Thank you Aaron!! I agree with your sentiments, and the forceful tone is appropriate (IMHO). I authored a response to the original request, but failed to step back to the basics. It is all too easy to fire off a quick comment, and miss some of the more important issues that were not directly addressed. Thank you for reminding all of us that beekeeping involves significant responsibilities, in addition to all the pleasures it can bring. Solving or at least reducing widespread problems like mites & diseases can only be accomplished if responsible beekeepers significantly outnumber the negligent ones. Rick rshough@tasc.com **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From gross@ims.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:21 EDT 1994 Article: 659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!att-out!pacbell.com!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!ims.com!gross From: gross@ims.com (Don Gross) Subject: Re: Varroa resistant bees Message-ID: <1994Aug3.211301.15134@ims.com> Keywords: orchard_bee, pesticide, pollenation Sender: usenet@ims.com (USENET News Poster) Reply-To: gross@ims.com Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. References: <315v87$m5v@nexus.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 21:13:01 GMT Lines: 50 In article , Adam wrote: > In article <315v87$m5v@nexus.uiowa.edu>, > randy nessler wrote: > >...some European > >bees that are resistant to varroa mites. I think that they were from > >Czechoslovakia, and were soon to be imported. Once the breeders had > >raised enough broods, they were to be offered for sale. My questions are; > >has anyone else heard this, and are they commercially available yet. > > USDA has the "Yugo" bee, from Yugoslavia, via Thomas Rinderer at Baton > Rouge bee lab. This stock is now commercially available, it is fairly > tolerant to tracheal mites, and shows _some_ tolerance to Varroa mites, > but these bees still need to be treated. > I use some of Miksa's stock, I have Varroa and I'll be treating this > fall with Apistan, but I'm observing which colonies have the lowest > _apparent_ levels of the mite. These I'll watch next year and maybe > incorporate them into my breeding program. > Adam > -- I've been following this topic (tracheal and Varroa mites) for awhile now, and have a question or two. My interest in honey bees is secondary; I have fruit trees and a garden that needs to be pollenized. I belong to an organization called the Home Orchard Society (sort of a local NAFEX, if you are familiar with them), and a fellow member has really "gotten into" pollenizers - primarily mason bees, but including bumble bees, flies, and even honey bees. He says that the "medication" (which I assume is Apistan) is simply an (non-organic) insecticide, and is contaminating all the honey on the market. He doesn't plan on consuming any more honey until alternatives are identified used. So, what is the "truth" about the mite treatment, and contaminants in the U.S.'s (other countries'?) honey? BTW, because of the unreliable nature of honeybee pollenation, both due to the mite crisis here in the Pacific Northwest and also the fact that the fruit trees are in bloom in the spring before the honeybees become active, a great deal of interest has arisen in our organization about orchard (mason) bees. In fact, its become quite a good fund-raiser to make and sell starter bee houses to the home and commercial orchardists. I would be interested in getting a thread going on orchard bees. I'm posting this to sci.agriculture.beekeeping as well as rec.gardens. If there is a more apporpriate news group, please let me know. ************************************************************************* Don Gross Member, Home Orchard Society Integrated Measurement Systems PO Box 230192 Beaverton, Oregon Tigard, OR 97218 - 0192 Membership open to all Annual dues only $10.00 From david@roentgen.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 8 12:45:22 EDT 1994 Article: 660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk (Dr David Lauckner) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <31jt49$4me@news1.hh.ab.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 11 The garbage bag (in the UK I would call it a binliner!)method worked for me last winter. I did not use mothballs. I use a wad soaked in glaciac acetic acid. This is an approved bee kit "sterilizer" as I understand things. David -- Dr David Lauckner Phone: 0670-521212 Wansbeck General Hospital Fax: 0670-529778 ASHINGTON, Northumberland e-mail: david@roentgen.demon.co.uk United Kingdom. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 8 12:45:24 EDT 1994 Article: 661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: July Issue of APIS Message-ID: Keywords: Apis, magazine, sanford Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:25:56 GMT Lines: 255 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 7, July 1994 AHB INVASION RUNS OUT OF STEAM? Reports of African honey bee (AHB) colonization of western Texas continue, but the movement appears to have slowed significantly. And in neighboring New Mexico and Arizona, confirmed finds may be from swarms moving across the Mexican border, rather than migrating westward. The biggest question mark concerns California which has yet to be officially invaded by this insect, although there have been confirmed finds near the state line. In east Texas as well, the AHB has not advanced as far as previous predictions indicated. The insect has yet to reach Houston and it's now been over three years since the first colony was found in the state. Has the invasion indeed run out of steam, and if so, why? These questions as yet have no answers, but already the press is writing about the phenomenon. There are some intriguing reasons for the slowdown suggested by Mr. Laurence Cutts, Florida's Chief Apiary Inspector, and others examining the situation. The weather in the region has been generally unfavorable (colder winters, later springs) for feral bees. The bees may be approaching their climatic limits; the present distribution when compared with that predicted by Dr. Orley Taylor over a decade ago shows great correspondence. Texas is a very large state; perhaps the AHB will take some time to reach saturation in certain areas before the invasion can continue. In addition, the AHB wave from Mexico has also met a challenge that it didn't face in that country, the Varroa mite. Nor can the potential ravages of chalkbrood, the foulbroods and tracheal mites on wild populations be discounted. There is more than a little bit of irony in the realization that the beekeeping industry's nemeses might become allies in stemming the AHB tide. Another suggestion is that the imported fire ant, well entrenched in southern Texas, is responsible for predation on AHB colonies. Nests in scrub are quite near the ground and migrating swarms are small. There are reports that these ants are also becoming more effective predators on managed European colonies in Florida. And what of the consequences of hybridization? Increased rate of genetic crossing among AHBs, feral European bees and those managed by Texas beekeepers could be responsible for restraining the migration. The situation is quite different than in tropical areas of Mexico and Central America. There, bees of European origin had not formed large feral populations, providing limited competition to the invaders, and over time, those in managed colonies were almost completely replaced by AHB. Hybrids that developed between European bees and AHB in the wild did not appear to persist (See February and March 1992 APIS). Unlike in more tropical areas, a population of feral European bees already exists in Texas. This means greater competition for the AHB in the wild. It will also be a continuing source of genetic material above and beyond managed colonies to produce hybrids. And the resultant hybrid population might persist longer in these temperate regions than was the case further south. However, they could still be at some disadvantage. Hybrids may not be so migratory, one of the reasons suggested for AHB resistance to mites and pathogens. This fact, along with addition of European genetic material, could make them more vulnerable to a host of problems than are AHBs. In the end, no single cause is probably responsible for checking the bees' advance. However, all of the above reasons taken together could make a formidable barrier keeping AHB populations at bay. TRACKING HONEY BEE ANCESTRY Even a cursory review of the apicultural literature reveals that over hundreds of years honey bees have been imported from all over the world. The results of this activity have been variable. Among the successes would be introduction of the Italian bee (Apis mellifera ligustica) which materially improved commercial bee stocks, and is in general use today throughout the country. A notable failure was the Cyprian bee (Apis mellifera cypria), considered too defensive by most beekeepers. It has almost been eliminated from the U.S. gene pool. In 1922, legislation to control importation effectively reduced genetic immigration. However, legal and illegal introductions have continued. Considering the sheer number of importations, the question arises concerning the eventual fate of these bees in the U.S. Dr. Eric Mussen posed this question in his latest newsletter, From the UC Apiaries, while reporting on a study by N.M. Schiff and W.S. Sheppard in the Journal Experientia, Vol. 49, pp. 530-532, 1993. The study's authors did not address Dr. Mussen's specific question. Their purpose was to look at the genetic variation of feral populations in the southern U.S. and find out if the AHB invasion could be adequately monitored using existing European genetic markers. They did this by analyzing mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). There are two primary sources of DNA in multicellular animals. The one most heard about, often touted by the press as the best crime fighting tool since the fingerprint, is from the nucleus of the cell. This DNA is the chemical information that determines the form of the organism and much of its behavior. It is inherited from both the mother and the father and can effectively be used to make unique identifications. But there is another kind of DNA. It is found in small energy-producing capsules outside the nucleus of the cell. These organelles are called mitochondria (the singular is mitochondrion). In multicellular animals, DNA associated with the mitochondria is only inherited from the mother. This provides the means to track maternal ancestry . All bees in a colony have the same mtDNA, inherited from one single individual, their queen. Pioneering studies on mtDNA by Drs. Glenn Hall at the University of Florida and Deborah Smith, University of Kansas, provide evidence that feral swarms of African maternal lines were primarily responsible for AHB migration in the tropics. Study of human mtDNA also gives rise to the provocative idea that all humanity descended from a single Eve. The Experientia study looked at 422 feral bee colonies sampled from areas not undergoing AHB invasion. The bees came from nine states (Florida was not included). Collection was restricted to wild colonies, including those relocated, but not requeened by beekeepers. The results are as follows: State Mitochondrial Types Total African Mel/Ibr Car/Lig AL 1 14 24 39 GA - 4 28 32 LA - 10 41 51 MS 2 14 31 47 NC - 3 27 30 NM - 7 54 61 OK - - 3 3 SC - 21 59 80 TX 1 19 59 79 Total(%) 4 (0.9) 92( 21.8) 326 (77.3) 422 Mel/Ibr refers to two European honey bee races (Apis mellifera mellifera and Apis mellifera iberica). The former is the German or dark bee, while the latter is the Iberian bee, native of the Spanish peninsula. These are grouped together and considered "western" races. The "eastern" races include A. mellifera carnica (Carniolan bee) and A. mellifera ligustica (Italian bee), designated above as Car/Lig; both are thought to make up the majority of the present U.S. commercial honey bee stock. The eastern and western groups have been separated on the basis of mtDNA structure. The African mtDNA was from the Egyptian honey bee, Apis mellifera lamarckii, not Apis mellifera scutellata, considered to be the ancestor of the AHB. When analyzing the results of this study, it is important to understand that the percentages noted above are only of mtDNA types found in wild U.S. honey bees. They do not necessarily translate into bee types. For example, even though four colonies were found with African mtDNA, the authors identified the individual bees as "European" using morphometrics. Thus, no bees determined to be "Africanized" are present in the above samples. This is problematic. Presence of lamarckii mtDNA is a certain indication of African ancestry. Is it reasonable to correlate percentages of a certain mtDNA type to a specific population? One school of thought says no, because mtDNA really may have no effect on a bee's structure or behavior which are considered superior measures of identification. However, different mtDNAs may result in different capabilities. Enzymes coded by mtDNA are responsible for energy production in the cell and must interact with those coded by nuclear DNA. These functions may contribute to the differences in metabolic capacities of African, European and hybrid honey bees discovered by Drs. Glenn Hall at the University of Florida and Jon Harrison, Arizona State University (see APIS June, 1993). In addition, because mtDNA is inherited as a total package from the mother, its presence means that it came from an unbroken maternal lineage. In the case of the lamarckii mtDNA identified in the Experientia study, the time line could reach as far back as the 1860s. It is tempting, therefore, to make a correlation of mtDNA types with bee populations. Dr. Mussen surrendered to this in his article, concluding: "It will be interesting to see if the 22% of feral bees with 'non-commercial' lineage can survive the competition of AHBs for their feral territory." STATUS OF U.S. BEEKEEPING F.L. Hoff and L.S. Willett have just released their study entitled The U.S. Beekeeping Industry. It is Agricultural Economic Report Number 680, published by the USDA Economic Research Service, 69pp, May 1994. This document is required reading for anyone interested in the changes taking place in the apicultural industry. The introduction states in part: "This report updates information on honey production, pollination and the relationship of the U.S. beekeeping industry to agriculture and the environment. The study was mandated in the Committee report that accompanied the Agriculture, Rural Development, and Related Agencies Appropriation Act of 1987. The mandate resulted from concern by beekeepers and members of Congress about problems, issues, and challenges that emerged during the 1980's with the potential to significantly alter the beekeeping industry. These concerns included northward migration of the Africanized honeybee, infestations of colonies by tracheal and Varroa mites, the widespread use of highly toxic pesticides, increasing honey imports, and efforts to discontinue the honey price support program." This report is an extremely valuable lobbying document. The authors should be congratulated for providing the industry with these facts and figures. The beekeeping community now has plenty of ammunition to back up its arguments for public support in many arenas. However, the time and expense to produce this document will go for naught, if those in the beekeeping industry do not actively use the information to its fullest potential. To obtain a copy call toll free 800/999-6779 in U.S. and Canada (other areas 703/834-0125) and ask for AER-680. The cost is $12.00 payable by Visa or MasterCard. To order a copy by first-class mail, send a check for $12.00 ($15.00 for Canada or elsewhere) made payable to ERS-NASS, 341 Victory Drive, Herndon, VA 22070. NOSEMA CONTROL Mr. Glen Stanley, Retired Iowa Apiary Inspector, provided some advice in a recent letter to the American Bee Journal. It was simple. If one controls nosema this helps the bees overcome other obstacles like tracheal mites. In other words, asks Mr. Stanley, "...why not begin fighting the battle where it would do the most good by getting bees cleared of nosema first." Another basis of good beekeeping, he says, is to remove all old, black combs (his emphasis), the source of bacteria, fungal spores and other materials the bees might unintentionally collect. Mr. Stanley's message must continually be kept in mind by beekeepers interested in getting the most from their colonies. Adhere to the fundamentals of beekeeping and the bees will take care of the rest. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:25 EDT 1994 Article: 662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa resistant bees Date: Thu, 04 Aug 1994 13:53:07 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <315v87$m5v@nexus.uiowa.edu> <1994Aug3.211301.15134@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <1994Aug3.211301.15134@ims.com>, gross@ims.com wrote: > I have fruit trees and a garden that needs to be pollenized. I belong > to an organization called the Home Orchard Society (sort of a local > NAFEX, if you are familiar with them), and a fellow member has really > "gotten into" pollenizers - primarily mason bees, but including bumble > bees, flies, and even honey bees. He says that the "medication" (which > I assume is Apistan) is simply an (non-organic) insecticide, and is > contaminating all the honey on the market. He doesn't plan on consuming > any more honey until alternatives are identified used. > > So, what is the "truth" about the mite treatment, and contaminants in > the U.S.'s (other countries'?) honey? Don, Actually, I believe that fluvalinate (the active ingredient in Apistan) is pyrethran (spelling?) based - in other words it is an organic based acaracide (mite killer). Your friend is accurate in stating that the "medication" (assuming he is talking about Apistan) is "simply an insecticide", however when this product is used properly, i.e., following the directions on the label, contamination of honey is _NOT_ a problem. Apistan sometimes is refered to as a "medication" because it is often discussed in the same breath as treatments for Foulbrood and Nosema, treatments which really are properly characterised as "medication". Calling Apistan a "medication" is, in my opinion, a bit misleading, but, in careless moments, I have been known to mis-speak similarly. Please read the following comment carefully - I don't want to be misunderstood - Honey contamination is (should be) a widespread _concern_ among beekeepers and honey packers, but IT IS NOT A WIDESPREAD _PROBLEM_. The differentiation that I am making is that we are dealing with a food product, and constant vigilance is required at all steps in the process to assure the purity of the final product. I believe that the beekeeping & honey packing industries are successful accomplishing this. This issue is a fact of life in _ALL_ areas of the food service industry, and is not unique to bees, honey, and beekeeping. The vast majority of beekeepers are extremely careful with all the treatments that they apply to their hives. I, for one, do not apply _ANY_ treatment, medication, acaracide, etc. to my hives while the supers are on. In other words, when the bees are collecting any nectar that ends up in honey destined for human consumption, _NO_ external products are applied to my colonies. This is a widespread practice throughout the beekeeping community. Also, the large honey packers have extensive testing programs, in which honey samples are constantly being tested for residues of undersired substances. I have every confidence that the honey offered for sale in the USA is quite safe, and I do not believe that your friend's fears are founded in fact. I do not have any specific information about the quality of honey being imported to the USA, but I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of it is of top quality. There have been some stories which have tarnished the reputation of imported honey. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of those stories, but even if they were true, they were only isolated cases. I hope that the above information adequately addresses your concerns. Sincerely, Rick Hough, a beekeeper from NE of Boston. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 8 12:45:26 EDT 1994 Article: 663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Varroa resistant bees Message-ID: Keywords: orchard_bee, pesticide, pollination, pollen bee, mite Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <315v87$m5v@nexus.uiowa.edu> <1994Aug3.211301.15134@ims.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 19:05:24 GMT Lines: 46 In article <1994Aug3.211301.15134@ims.com>, Don Gross wrote: (and others wrote too...) >I've been following this topic (tracheal and Varroa mites) for awhile >now, and have a question or two. ...>I assume is Apistan) is simply an (non-organic) insecticide, and is >contaminating all the honey on the market. He doesn't plan on consuming >any more honey until alternatives are identified used. > >So, what is the "truth" about the mite treatment, and contaminants in >the U.S.'s (other countries'?) honey? Good questions. As with any labeled agricultural chemical, if the label is followed then there shouldn't be any contamination. This does not mean that everyone follows the label. As for honey from other countries, where there is no EPA, your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps some residue testing is done? I don't know. I'd get honey from someone I trusted. I'd ask them how specifically, they treated their bees. If they were unsure, or were unable to tell you, maybe their honey would be suspect? You may get the label from any package of Apistan, ask a beekeeper, or your State Apiarist. By reading the label, you will know the proper procedure. Then you may compare this to what the honey producer says. When in doubt, ask. > >BTW, because of the unreliable nature of honeybee pollenation, both due >to the mite crisis here in the Pacific Northwest and also the fact that >the fruit trees are in bloom in the spring before the honeybees become >active, a great deal of interest has arisen in our organization about >orchard (mason) bees. In fact, its become quite a good fund-raiser to >make and sell starter bee houses to the home and commercial orchardists. >I would be interested in getting a thread going on orchard bees. I'm >posting this to sci.agriculture.beekeeping as well as rec.gardens. If >there is a more apporpriate news group, please let me know. I'd check out the bumble bee list, it's in the FAQ. Also, USDA is doing some "pollen bee" research. This is described in Apis magazine. Apis is archived on the net. Read the FAQ. good luck! Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From Paul.Ferroni@ab.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:27 EDT 1994 Article: 664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!news1.hh.ab.com!icd.ab.com!cpferron From: cpferron@icd.ab.com (C. Paul Ferroni) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: 4 Aug 1994 21:53:35 GMT Organization: Allen Bradley Lines: 120 Distribution: world Message-ID: <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com> References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: Paul.Ferroni@ab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dabney.cle.ab.com In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: > I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" > thread that has been going on the past few days. [...munch...] > And while I'm on my soapbox, does anyone else have a problem with the > moth balls on top of the frames suggestion? Especially when the very > same posting states that the wax WILL absorb moth ball chemicals! > Can you spell honey contamination? I can just picture a honey judge: > "Hmmm. Nice color. Pleasant order with just the right subtle > undertones of moth balls!" Glad I am that I've never had the pleasure. > I am the poster of the mothballs suggestion... My (longwinded) comments follow. > I will apologize in advance to the posters of the articles if they > take offense to the tone of my response. I don't mean any disrespect, > I'm just stating rather forcefully what should be good practice in > keeping bees. Your comments are appreciated. I agree that we should all be aware of good and proper practice. I wasn't giving a flippant or "home-brew" suggestion with mothballs. I've been keeping bees for about 15 years, starting in college, after taking an apiculture class at Ohio State University, taught by Prof Rothenbeuler (sp?), one of the contributors to _The_Hive_and_the_Honey_Bee_. I honestly don't recall if he ever actually suggested this in class (or in one of the hands-on labs), but one of the two books we used in class specifically recommended this practice. If Dr. Rothenbeuler had disagreed in class, I would have marked it down in the book (along with several other things he didn't agree with). Anyways, here are relevant quotes and notes from _The_Hive_and_the_Honey_Bee_ and _Starting_Right_with_Bees_, the two books we used in class, and that I refer to when I have questions. Complete reference information is included, in case later versions (which I've never seen) are different. >From _The_Hive_and_the_Honey_Bee_, Revised Edition (1976), from Dadant & Sons, Inc. Chapter XXI, "Diseases and Enemies of the Honey Bee", pg 651-652, says that to avoid wax moth problems, you should (My summary outline): 1) Maintain strong colonies which will not allow the moths to develop. 2) Keep empty combs in cold storage rooms. 3) Fumigate a) Ethylene dibromide (best) b) Ethylene oxide (also for foulbrood spores) 4) Use Bacillus thuringiensis NOTE: No mention of Paradichlorobenzene (moth balls) in this section. Also, in Chapter XIV, "The Production of Comb and Bulk Comb Honey", in a section called "Care of Comb Honey" (pg 439) with reference to handling section comb or bulk comb honey: "[section comb or bulk comb honey] cannot be handled too carefully to prevent damage. It is the appearance of comb honey that determines much of it's sale value. After the supers are removed and brought to the honey house, they should be fumigated againt damage by wax moth. The supers may be stacked about 15 high, leaving no cracks for fumigant to escape. [...] One well-known fumigant, paradichlorobenzene (PDB), should never be used as the odor will permeate the cappings and ruin the flavor of the honey." Note that this is relative to comb with honey in it. Of course you would NEVER allow a volatile substance like PDB near your honey! I never implied that. However, the stuff DOES dissapate with lots of fresh air. Another good reference book on beekeeping (much shorter, and more "practical" then the former): _Starting_Right_with_Bees_, 18th edition (1976), from the A.I.Root company, also discusses the wax moth. Chapter 20, "Diseases and Pests of Honeybees", page 93: "Stored combs are very susceptible to wax moth injury, especially combs that have been used in brood rearing. Empty combs, wet or dry, can be stored successfully indoors or out in supers and hive bodies. The supers and hive bodies of combs should be stacked six full depth supers high or less on a smooth pallet or metal cover. The joints between the supers if not tight should be taped all the way around with masking tape to make them airtight. A cupful of moth crystals, chemically known as Paradichlorobenzene, should be placed on a piece of cardboard and set on top of frames or combs in the top super. An empty shallow super should then be set on the top super, around the crystals and the stack covered with a tight cover and sealed with masking tape. The crystals emit a gas that is heavier than air and this gas will seep down through the combs killing moths and worms, and protect the stack from future attacks. Crystals should be added to each stack of combs as they evaporate. Before putting fumigated combs back on the hives the stack should be broken apart and the combs aired for 72 hours. Ethylene dibromide is effective againt all stages of the wax moth but cannot be used to fumigate honey and combs where the intended purpose of the honey is for human food." This is the reference I'm referring to at the beginning. I've done this (when necessary) for years, and never noticed any odor/taste in my honey. I have never entered it in any fair, though. It's also interesting to note that _The_Hive_and_the_Honey_Bee_ and _Starting_Right_with_Bees_ seriously disagree about Ethylene dibromide. One saying it's the best fumigant; the other, don't use where honey will be used for food. Perhaps, this is meant for comb honey again (?). The bottom line is that its obviously best to keep stong hives, and store your empty supers in sealed bags, in cold areas (freezing) where possible. Well, 'nuff for now. I hope this adds a little substance to the discussion. Again, no offense taken. Thanks for the opportunity to do a little digging into one of my favorite hobbies. -cpf paul.ferroni@ab.com From mthunzeker@aol.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:28 EDT 1994 Article: 665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insecticide in bee venom? Date: 4 Aug 1994 23:49:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com One of the members of our local beekeepers association was checking his colonies after finding some spray kill and got stung. (They sure don't like to get sprayed!) His reaction was quite a bit more severe than usual with a very large red area and swelling. He was worried he had developed a serious allergic reaction, but has been stung numerous times since then and only had a standard (mild) response. So we are wondering if it is possible for a bee to pass on an insecticide in her venom? Has any research been performed in this area? Mike Hunzeker MTHunzeker@aol.com Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper From mthunzeker@aol.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:29 EDT 1994 Article: 666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Date: 4 Aug 1994 23:51:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com (This seems to be my night for insecticide questions.) A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" (probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). Is this actually a legal use of PENCAP? Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there studies we can use to demonstrate the danger of PENCAP? Has anyone been successful in forcing limits on the use of PENCAP? Any available information would be greatly appreciated. Mike Hunzeker MTHunzeker@aol.com Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 8 12:45:30 EDT 1994 Article: 667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:20:35 GMT Lines: 24 In article <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com>, MTHunzeker wrote: >A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name >right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one >of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, >PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but >the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" >(probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). Mike, check with your state apiarist, about the law. Here in VA, if there are known bees present, an applicator must notify the beekeeeper well ahead of time before application, for it is illegal to spray during bee flight as per the label. PENCAP-M resembles pollen, and since bees are working corn, gathering pollen, PENCAP-M, applied at this time , would be deadly to colonies foraging. The applicator needs to know that there are bees present. Involve your Dept. of Agriculture in this issue, bee inspection or the State apiarist's office, but get somebody on the situation. Label laws are very hard to enforce in bee kills. Adam (VA Bee inspector) -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:31 EDT 1994 Article: 668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide in bee venom? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 94 08:43:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <170097AC3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) writes: >So we are wondering if it is possible for a bee to pass on an >insecticide in her venom? Has any research been performed in this >area? Stating up front that this is mere speculation on my part, I would imagine that insecticide would do in/off/kill a bee before there would be time for any insecticidal residues to be absorbed/transferred to bee venom. Furthermore, I'd speculate that a poisoned bee would not be up to the task of defending a hive or stinging a beekeeper: she'd be too busy kicking the bucket! From rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:32 EDT 1994 Article: 669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!rsrodger From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 12:14:54 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 18 Message-ID: <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac6.wam.umd.edu Originator: rsrodger@rac6.wam.umd.edu In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for > treatment by fire). Pardon a question from an interested reader (no knowledge whatsoever of beekeeping), but what are "Robber Bees" (wasps?) and what is American Foulbrood? I ask because I'm curious as to what kinds of diseases strike bees. In my pesticide class, we covered the use of biological agents instead of chemical pesticides (fungi, etc.), but nothing about diseases that strike beneficial insects. -- Previous .sig deleted because some people couldn't parse "from email _received_ re: a post on comp.sys.powerpc." From sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:33 EDT 1994 Article: 670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!mp.cs.niu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!sandrock From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The hive ain't empty... Date: 5 Aug 94 20:05:12 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.scs.uiuc.edu Since I stirred things up a bit with my questions about empty hives and robber bees, I thought it might be good to let people know what I've found since then. Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned me somewhat. The bees seemed quite calm and gentle. A dozen or two were floating around the hive, a few seemed to check me out, but they mostly seemed to ignore me--a rather gratifying attitude to my way of thinking. :-) I could easily see dozens of bees crawling around on the frames, and one thing that puzzled me a bit was they mostly seemed to ignore the smoke I would puff at them occasionally. Still, it felt reassuring to have the smoker handy. I'm going out of town this weekend, but next week I intend to look at a few more frames and try to spot the queen and/or active brood cells. Anyway, my newbie impression is that a colony has indeed moved in, but perhaps someone would care to interpret what I've seen so far. Thanks again to everyone for the helpful comments. Mark Sandrock -- Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:35 EDT 1994 Article: 671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 17:56:06 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com>, Paul.Ferroni@ab.com wrote: > In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: > > I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" > > thread that has been going on the past few days. > > [...munch...] > > > And while I'm on my soapbox, does anyone else have a problem with the > > moth balls on top of the frames suggestion? Especially when the very > > same posting states that the wax WILL absorb moth ball chemicals! > > Can you spell honey contamination? I can just picture a honey judge: > > "Hmmm. Nice color. Pleasant order with just the right subtle > > undertones of moth balls!" Glad I am that I've never had the pleasure. > > > > I am the poster of the mothballs suggestion... My (longwinded) comments > follow. [...munch...] > NOTE: No mention of Paradichlorobenzene (moth balls) in this section. Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her sweaters (I forget the chemical name), and then there is Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. I'm under the impression that use of PDB on stored comb is widespread, and not detrimental to the comb, although there is a need to air out the combs for several days prior to putting them on the hives. While my mom's moth balls would probably kill the wax moth, I'm pretty sure that there is a problem with that chemical staying in the wax. Besides, my mom's moth balls aren't labeled (read legal) for use on combs (I think PDB is labeled for use on stored comb... isn't it??) Any comment, Aaron?? > The bottom line is that its obviously best to keep stong hives, and store > your empty supers in sealed bags, in cold areas (freezing) where possible. Amen to that!! Have a good weekend, all! Rick Hough **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:36 EDT 1994 Article: 672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 18:16:14 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu>, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu wrote: > In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, > SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for > > treatment by fire). > > Pardon a question from an interested reader (no knowledge whatsoever > of beekeeping), but what are "Robber Bees" (wasps?) and what is > American Foulbrood? Robber Bees = honey bees that come from a different hive to steal honey from a weak or uninhabited hive. American Foulbrood (AFB) is a disease of honeybee brood (young bees) - it strikes the pupal stage, and is fatal to the individual bees that it infects. If enough individuals get it, it can kill an entire hive. It is spread by spores, which can contaminate the honey (thus the transference of AFB by robber bees), as well as the combs. AFB spores are not dangerous to humans - our digestive system takes care of that, but the poor bees don't fare so well. The darn spores are very tough to kill, and thus the fire treatment is the method of choice for dealing with serious infections. Hope this answers your questions. Rick **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From chowe@cthoneybee.win.net Mon Aug 8 12:45:37 EDT 1994 Article: 673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!witch!cthoneybee!chowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <138@cthoneybee.win.net> References: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) From: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 06:04:57 GMT Subject: Re: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Lines: 68 In article <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com>, MTHunzeker (mthunzeker@aol.com) writes: >(This seems to be my night for insecticide questions.) > >A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name >right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one >of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, >PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but >the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" >(probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). > >Is this actually a legal use of PENCAP? Does anyone have any >experience with this? Are there studies we can use to demonstrate the >danger of PENCAP? Has anyone been successful in forcing limits on the >use of PENCAP? > >Any available information would be greatly appreciated. > >Mike Hunzeker >MTHunzeker@aol.com >Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper > > Oh yes, Pencap-M is micro-encapsilated methylparathion as I recall. Until Connecticut's regulation was modified to stop the use of this material on tasseling corn we were loosing many colonies to methylparathion poisoning every year in CT. This stuff is particularly deadly to bees since they apparantly gather the stuff along with the pollen (they seem to *not* be able to discriminate between pollen and the capsules of insecticide). Once the stuff is brought back to the colony it gets incorporated into the combs (wax probably) and is left there when the colony expires. When new bees are installed into the colony they may also die from the remaining material in the combs. For our bees corn pollen ranks up there with dandylion pollen as favorites among the top five. When corn tassels my bees pollen production jumps from about 1/3 cup per day to 2 cups of corn pollen. To get a regulation limiting the use of Pencap-M in CT. we started by sending insecticide killed bees to the State Entomologist for analysis. This showed that, as I recall, about 1/2 of the bees were killed by the active ingredient in Pencap-M. If it wasn't 1/2 it was the largest single insecticide killer of bees. At that point, we (the CT. Beekeepers Assn.) hired a lawyer for advice and the process of getting a regulation in CT. stopping the use of Pencap-M on tasseling corn left the Association with a substantial debt. We went through this process over 10 years ago. I don't know if it ended up in a change in the label for other states, but Connecticut's more limiting use restrictions for Pencap-M still stands. It is noteworthy, that after the regulation went into affect the number of insecticide poisonings sharply declined. If more detailed information is required I will try to come up with names and addresses of people who worked closely with the problem at that time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Howe - Editor | Phone or FAX: (203)491-2338 | | Connecticut Honey Bee | 86, 5 1/2 Mile Road | | INTERNET - CHOWE@CTHONEYBEE.WIN.NET | Goshen, CT. 06756 | | COMPUSERVE - 72726.1437@COMPUSERVE.COM | USA | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:39 EDT 1994 Article: 674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!rsrodger From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 10:22:17 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Originator: rsrodger@rac2.wam.umd.edu In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > Hope this answers your questions. Yes, thanks. -- Previous .sig deleted because some people couldn't parse "from email _received_ re: a post on comp.sys.powerpc." From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Mon Aug 8 12:45:40 EDT 1994 Article: 675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!halls1.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:27 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: >From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? >Date: Wed, 03 Aug 94 10:06:08 EDT >I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" >thread that has been going on the past few days. The scenario was In quick defence of myself, I did express some such concerns (I always do.... I am on a CRUSADE against diseases...my fathers entire apiary was wiped out by AFB) I did actaully reply along that vein, but from my other account, and I don't seem to be able to get the news posting facility on that acount to work... Adrian (trying to help myself this time....) From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Mon Aug 8 12:45:41 EDT 1994 Article: 676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:59:21 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au In article sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) writes: >From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) >Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling >about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as That sounds reasonably typical of a colony (to me at least) >opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb >on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so >thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead >removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the The way I usually open up a hive is to remove one of the edge frames, in your case, the shady side one as it would have less bees and wax on it, then move the others across so that you have room to manipulate them. >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if Find some literature on AFB, and compare any pictures in it with what you see...also chalk brrod, EFB, and other brood diseases. If you are still in doubt, cut a piece of the affected comb and send it to a bee inspector type place...they will be able to give an accurate diagnosis (free in australia...) apart from all that, good luck, and enjoy. Adrian. From at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 8 12:45:42 EDT 1994 Article: 677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!at664 From: at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (R John Northcote) Subject: Re: What do I do about skunks? Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:11:53 GMT Lines: 16 Skunks will scratch at the entrance and eat the bees as they come out to investigate. I have some bottom boards with 3/8 inch scratches in them from the skunks. I have found a dead skunk in one of my yards but otherwise know of two methods which work. The first is to have a landlord (eg farmer) who shoots them for me with asking - aim for the backbone/neck sho he doesn't 'fire'. THe other method is to inject a raw egg with cynaide or arsenic and bury the egg in front of the hive (one inch or so). You'll find the skunk nearby. Buying cyanide/arseic is a sometimes a problem though - depends on the state/province you live in. -- R John Northcote c/o National Capital Freenet From at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Aug 8 12:45:43 EDT 1994 Article: 678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!at664 From: at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (R John Northcote) Subject: Re: 1993 Honey Prices Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:18:06 GMT Lines: 11 Prices in US are usually by the pound (remember that quaint Measure?). Here in Canada we usually quote honey in pounds as well (except for the government which uses Kilos). In 93 Canadian wholesale prices were in the 60-65 cents/pound range in 45 gal (CDN) barrels. At the time the exchange rate was about 1 CDN$ = .79 US$ (currently 72 cnets). -- R John Northcote c/o National Capital Freenet From sph@usgp4.ATT.COM Mon Aug 8 12:45:44 EDT 1994 Article: 679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!ncar!uchinews!att-out!nntpa!nntpa.cb.att.com!sph From: sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) Subject: old honey Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: usgp4.ih.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 17:02:26 GMT Lines: 19 I have one hive of bees down in central Il, and I have 4 gallons of honey left that is 3 - 5 years old. It used to taste pretty good, but it has gotten dark, is crystalized, and does not taste that great anymore. It was not stored in the best of conditions. If I feed this to my bees will it make this year's crop dark and taste old? Or will the bees "freshen it up" somewhat? One more question: I have had this colony for 7 years now, and it was re-queened 2 years before I bought it. Should I consider buying a new queen next year, or should I just let them go as long as they seem strong ( and they looked great yesterday ). Thanks in advance Stephen P. Hill sph@uscbu.ih.att.com From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Mon Aug 8 12:45:46 EDT 1994 Article: 680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: old honey Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 07:22:30 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au In article sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) writes: >From: sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) >honey left that is 3 - 5 years old. It used to taste pretty good, but >If I feed this to my bees will it make this year's crop dark and >taste old? Or will the bees "freshen it up" somewhat? Usually bees wont store honey that is given to them in a honey condition, they will just eat it, and use it for brood food, so it shouldn't affect the honey quality. BUT are you sure (if it wasn't stored in good conditions) that it is disease free??? >One more question: I have had this colony for 7 years now, and it was >re-queened 2 years before I bought it. Should I consider buying a new >queen next year, or should I just let them go as long as they seem >strong ( and they looked great yesterday ). Well...the naverage life span of a queen is about two years, so you should have had a few queens since then, although you may not have noticed. Some beekeepers requeen every two to four years, but I only do so if I have an unproducitve hive, or one that is paricularly unpleasant to work with. I also like to requeen if I am splitting a hive, because there is a theory that leaving a "swarm induced" queen will promote the swarm impulse gene... if there is such a thing. Adrian (was I helpful this timt?? hu? huh? was I??) From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Mon Aug 8 12:45:48 EDT 1994 Article: 681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 07:26:06 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com> , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com>, Paul.Ferroni@ab.com wrote: > > Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! > There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her sweaters > (I forget the chemical name), and then there is Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) > that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. The "other" mothballs (the ones you should NOT use) are naphthalene. It's a hydrocarbon (polycyclic hydrocarbon, if you're into details) that would be quite soluble in wax and would thus diffuse readily into the comb. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From altabios@bham.ac.uk Mon Aug 8 12:45:50 EDT 1994 Article: 682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!fulcrum!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: 8 Aug 1994 12:10:14 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3257b6$i3o@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) says: > >Since I stirred things up a bit with my questions about empty hives >and robber bees, I thought it might be good to let people know what >I've found since then. > >Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling >about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as >opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb >on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so >thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead >removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if >this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned >me somewhat. > >The bees seemed quite calm and gentle. A dozen or two were floating >around the hive, a few seemed to check me out, but they mostly seemed to >ignore me--a rather gratifying attitude to my way of thinking. :-) > >I could easily see dozens of bees crawling around on the frames, and >one thing that puzzled me a bit was they mostly seemed to ignore the >smoke I would puff at them occasionally. Still, it felt reassuring to >have the smoker handy. > >I'm going out of town this weekend, but next week I intend to look at >a few more frames and try to spot the queen and/or active brood cells. > >Anyway, my newbie impression is that a colony has indeed moved in, >but perhaps someone would care to interpret what I've seen so far. > >Thanks again to everyone for the helpful comments. > >Mark Sandrock >-- >Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, >Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." >505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn >Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu Seeing brood cells with the tops broken is a disturbing sign. The only time this should happen is when the new bee is coming out. The cap is then quickly removed and the cell cleaned up for the next occupant. It may be that these contain dead bees and they have been opened by the new workers. It's hard to quantify numbers of bees by Email but you should be seeing frames covered with bees, in their hundreds. Certainly they may not move for smoke, the main effect of smoke is to make them feed and get so full they can't sting you. I would suggest looking for eggs and brood. If they are there, you have a working queen. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:50 EDT 1994 Article: 683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 10:52:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 69 Message-ID: <1700C98E5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Some final comments on my "Empty Hive" missal. First, I'm glad that readers saw through the flames and took the face value of my post. Bees will do what bees will do, beekeeper or not. There are no value judgments involved. Bees will visit an empty hive, irregardless of the reasons why the hive is empty. Valid reasons or bad excuses don't matter to the bees who see an empty hive as an empty hive. Concerning the moth ball thread, I guess it breaks down into a couple of things: commercial vs hobby beekeeping and greens vs browns (organic vs chemicals). I am a hobby beekeeper with twenty years experience. My beekeeping concerns are small potatoes. I don't have to store large numbers of honey supers and am able to spend more time/labor tending my equipment. My goal in keeping bees is to be outside enjoying the buzz. The hobby is its own reward, the honey harvest is a bonus. I also lean towards the green side. I garden organically whenever possible, although I've been known to resort to herbicides (flower gardens only, never vegetable/consumable gardens) when the weeding task is beyond my ability to handle it organically. I do however, avoid nonorganic pesticides at all costs. Better to lose to the buggers than poison them with chemicals in my book. This explains my distaste for fumigants, sanctioned or not. I too got out my copy of "The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee" and read up on fumigants. Finding a reference that says that it's ok to use PDB and/or moth crystals doesn't make it ok for ME to use it/them. Knowing that the U.S. government says that after three days of airing out the supers they will be "OK" doesn't necessarily give me comfort, although I ALWAYS believe whatever the governments says ;-) . As a small potatoes beekeeper, I am able to wrap ALL of my honey supers in plastic garbage bags and with diligence, I can avoid problems with wax moths. I have no need to resort to fumigants when mechanics will serve my needs. I would probably sing a different tune were my operation multiplied a hundred fold, but I am more comfortable knowing that my honey has not been exposed to fumigants, whether used properly or not. When a query is posted about whether honey is exposed to chemicals, the answer can't be "No, it was produced in honey supers that were exposed to chemicals in a sanctioned manner", the answer is "Yes, the honey has been exposed to chemicals". It's up to the consumer to decide to what degree they are comfortable with the USDA sanctioned exposure. Laying all my cards on the table, I'll admit to using Apistan. I've lost too many hives to mites, and there is no alternative at the present time, so USDA sanctions away, I use the strips and follow the "moving target" directions. I'm not reassured by following the directions and I know that at least on a molecular level, my honey contains a contaminate that it did not before I started using the strips. I'm not comfortable with whatever level of contaminates there may or may not be, but given the alternatives I'll use the strips and live with the discomfort. This is not meant to start off an organic vs chemicals flame war, that's already covered on rec.gardens. I'll continue to avoid fumigants, I'll continue to use Apistan, I'll continue to monitor progress on genetic resistance, and I'll continue to be comforted in knowing that the honey produced by my bees has a lower level of exposure to sanctioned chemicals than most. Cheers! Aaron Morris P.S. On a different note, while browsing "The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee" I stumbled across a reference to a US president in the '70s who was a real believer in the positive benefits of bee pollen, but the reference didn't say which US president (Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan). I'll bet it was Carter, but does anyone know for sure? From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:52 EDT 1994 Article: 684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Mothballs" as a fumigant? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 11:12:33 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1700C9DA1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu >In article , >rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > >> ... >> Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! >> There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her >> sweaters (I forget the chemical name), and then there is >> Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. > >The "other" mothballs (the ones you should NOT use) are naphthalene. >It's a hydrocarbon (polycyclic hydrocarbon, if you're into details) >that would be quite soluble in wax and would thus diffuse readily into >the comb. >-- >John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the >roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company. " Thanks to Rick and especially John for clarifying this. Quite a difference there, no? That's one thing that bothers me about the Information Superhighway: the ability to disperse misinformation worldwide. Perhaps there is more to be learned from Adrian's sig ("No help at All!?") than meets the eye! (Not attributing misinformation to Adrian, just acknowledging his sig). Again, thanks to those who set this record straight! Keep up the good work! Perhaps there should be a very explicit section in the FAQ along the lines "Can I use my mother's moth balls to control wax moths?"? Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 8 12:45:52 EDT 1994 Article: 685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 11:14:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1700C9E28S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) writes: > ... one of the middle frames ... had some honey cells along the >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if >this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned >me somewhat. This COULD be a bad sign. Normal appearance for hatched out cells is a bee emerging/chewing its way through the cell cap. If there are no emerging bees evident there may me reasons for concern. If there are dead bees behind the broken caps there is definite cause for concern, as this is a symptom of American Foulbrood. The good news is that you're poking around in the hive! Check again, but go throught the entire hive. The capping pattern as you described may be normal, but it's hard to say without knowing what things looked like surrounding that frame. It may be the case that the middle frame you picked was an area of the brood chamber that had just hatched all of the bees and had not yet been reused by the queen. Hopefully, this is the case. Or, it may be indicative of a brood disease. The things to look for are whether the cells are empty and clean, ready for the next generation, and how the pattern you observed compares to the pattern of the surrounding frames. Also, use your other senses: sound and smell. These are harder senses to develope and exploit when working your bees, but they are very valuable to the beekeeper. Listen to the buzzing of the bees. Is it a busy, hive at work sort of sound (that's the impression I get from your description) or is it a stressed tone? It's hard to describe the difference, and perhaps the destinction only comes with experience. Smell is also important. Does the hive smell normal? Literature describes the smell of foulbrood as sickly sweet, but it's hard to put those words into an olfactory experience other than to experience it. And if you are able to experience it, learn it(!), because it's not an experience you'll care to oft' repeat. Otherwise, it sounds like you're getting into the experience of beekeeping. Good luck with your subsequent inspections! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From mthunzeker@aol.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:16 EDT 1994 Article: 665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insecticide in bee venom? Date: 4 Aug 1994 23:49:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com One of the members of our local beekeepers association was checking his colonies after finding some spray kill and got stung. (They sure don't like to get sprayed!) His reaction was quite a bit more severe than usual with a very large red area and swelling. He was worried he had developed a serious allergic reaction, but has been stung numerous times since then and only had a standard (mild) response. So we are wondering if it is possible for a bee to pass on an insecticide in her venom? Has any research been performed in this area? Mike Hunzeker MTHunzeker@aol.com Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper From mthunzeker@aol.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:17 EDT 1994 Article: 666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Date: 4 Aug 1994 23:51:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com (This seems to be my night for insecticide questions.) A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" (probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). Is this actually a legal use of PENCAP? Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there studies we can use to demonstrate the danger of PENCAP? Has anyone been successful in forcing limits on the use of PENCAP? Any available information would be greatly appreciated. Mike Hunzeker MTHunzeker@aol.com Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Fri Aug 12 10:57:18 EDT 1994 Article: 667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:20:35 GMT Lines: 24 In article <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com>, MTHunzeker wrote: >A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name >right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one >of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, >PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but >the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" >(probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). Mike, check with your state apiarist, about the law. Here in VA, if there are known bees present, an applicator must notify the beekeeeper well ahead of time before application, for it is illegal to spray during bee flight as per the label. PENCAP-M resembles pollen, and since bees are working corn, gathering pollen, PENCAP-M, applied at this time , would be deadly to colonies foraging. The applicator needs to know that there are bees present. Involve your Dept. of Agriculture in this issue, bee inspection or the State apiarist's office, but get somebody on the situation. Label laws are very hard to enforce in bee kills. Adam (VA Bee inspector) -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:19 EDT 1994 Article: 668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insecticide in bee venom? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 94 08:43:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <170097AC3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <31scrh$n7j@search01.news.aol.com> mthunzeker@aol.com (MTHunzeker) writes: >So we are wondering if it is possible for a bee to pass on an >insecticide in her venom? Has any research been performed in this >area? Stating up front that this is mere speculation on my part, I would imagine that insecticide would do in/off/kill a bee before there would be time for any insecticidal residues to be absorbed/transferred to bee venom. Furthermore, I'd speculate that a poisoned bee would not be up to the task of defending a hive or stinging a beekeeper: she'd be too busy kicking the bucket! From rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:20 EDT 1994 Article: 669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!rsrodger From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 12:14:54 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 18 Message-ID: <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac6.wam.umd.edu Originator: rsrodger@rac6.wam.umd.edu In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for > treatment by fire). Pardon a question from an interested reader (no knowledge whatsoever of beekeeping), but what are "Robber Bees" (wasps?) and what is American Foulbrood? I ask because I'm curious as to what kinds of diseases strike bees. In my pesticide class, we covered the use of biological agents instead of chemical pesticides (fungi, etc.), but nothing about diseases that strike beneficial insects. -- Previous .sig deleted because some people couldn't parse "from email _received_ re: a post on comp.sys.powerpc." From sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:22 EDT 1994 Article: 670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!mp.cs.niu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!sandrock From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The hive ain't empty... Date: 5 Aug 94 20:05:12 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.scs.uiuc.edu Since I stirred things up a bit with my questions about empty hives and robber bees, I thought it might be good to let people know what I've found since then. Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned me somewhat. The bees seemed quite calm and gentle. A dozen or two were floating around the hive, a few seemed to check me out, but they mostly seemed to ignore me--a rather gratifying attitude to my way of thinking. :-) I could easily see dozens of bees crawling around on the frames, and one thing that puzzled me a bit was they mostly seemed to ignore the smoke I would puff at them occasionally. Still, it felt reassuring to have the smoker handy. I'm going out of town this weekend, but next week I intend to look at a few more frames and try to spot the queen and/or active brood cells. Anyway, my newbie impression is that a colony has indeed moved in, but perhaps someone would care to interpret what I've seen so far. Thanks again to everyone for the helpful comments. Mark Sandrock -- Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu From rshough@tasc.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:23 EDT 1994 Article: 671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 17:56:06 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com>, Paul.Ferroni@ab.com wrote: > In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: > > I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" > > thread that has been going on the past few days. > > [...munch...] > > > And while I'm on my soapbox, does anyone else have a problem with the > > moth balls on top of the frames suggestion? Especially when the very > > same posting states that the wax WILL absorb moth ball chemicals! > > Can you spell honey contamination? I can just picture a honey judge: > > "Hmmm. Nice color. Pleasant order with just the right subtle > > undertones of moth balls!" Glad I am that I've never had the pleasure. > > > > I am the poster of the mothballs suggestion... My (longwinded) comments > follow. [...munch...] > NOTE: No mention of Paradichlorobenzene (moth balls) in this section. Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her sweaters (I forget the chemical name), and then there is Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. I'm under the impression that use of PDB on stored comb is widespread, and not detrimental to the comb, although there is a need to air out the combs for several days prior to putting them on the hives. While my mom's moth balls would probably kill the wax moth, I'm pretty sure that there is a problem with that chemical staying in the wax. Besides, my mom's moth balls aren't labeled (read legal) for use on combs (I think PDB is labeled for use on stored comb... isn't it??) Any comment, Aaron?? > The bottom line is that its obviously best to keep stong hives, and store > your empty supers in sealed bags, in cold areas (freezing) where possible. Amen to that!! Have a good weekend, all! Rick Hough **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From rshough@tasc.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:24 EDT 1994 Article: 672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 18:16:14 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu>, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu wrote: > In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, > SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > (worst case scenario (American Foulbrood) calls for > > treatment by fire). > > Pardon a question from an interested reader (no knowledge whatsoever > of beekeeping), but what are "Robber Bees" (wasps?) and what is > American Foulbrood? Robber Bees = honey bees that come from a different hive to steal honey from a weak or uninhabited hive. American Foulbrood (AFB) is a disease of honeybee brood (young bees) - it strikes the pupal stage, and is fatal to the individual bees that it infects. If enough individuals get it, it can kill an entire hive. It is spread by spores, which can contaminate the honey (thus the transference of AFB by robber bees), as well as the combs. AFB spores are not dangerous to humans - our digestive system takes care of that, but the poor bees don't fare so well. The darn spores are very tough to kill, and thus the fire treatment is the method of choice for dealing with serious infections. Hope this answers your questions. Rick **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion, and not my employer's or anyone else's. From chowe@cthoneybee.win.net Fri Aug 12 10:57:25 EDT 1994 Article: 673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!witch!cthoneybee!chowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <138@cthoneybee.win.net> References: <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) From: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 06:04:57 GMT Subject: Re: PENCAP-M (?) Insecticide Lines: 68 In article <31scv9$n9e@search01.news.aol.com>, MTHunzeker (mthunzeker@aol.com) writes: >(This seems to be my night for insecticide questions.) > >A local aerial applicator is pushing PENCAP-M (I think I have the name >right) for treating corn just after it has tassled. According to one >of the commercial beekeepers in our local beekeepers association, >PENCAP is a serious threat to bees, especially in tassling corn, but >the applicator maintains that he "doesn't ever see any bees in corn" >(probably because he is flying 6 feet above it at 60 knots). > >Is this actually a legal use of PENCAP? Does anyone have any >experience with this? Are there studies we can use to demonstrate the >danger of PENCAP? Has anyone been successful in forcing limits on the >use of PENCAP? > >Any available information would be greatly appreciated. > >Mike Hunzeker >MTHunzeker@aol.com >Boulder County Colorado Beekeeper > > Oh yes, Pencap-M is micro-encapsilated methylparathion as I recall. Until Connecticut's regulation was modified to stop the use of this material on tasseling corn we were loosing many colonies to methylparathion poisoning every year in CT. This stuff is particularly deadly to bees since they apparantly gather the stuff along with the pollen (they seem to *not* be able to discriminate between pollen and the capsules of insecticide). Once the stuff is brought back to the colony it gets incorporated into the combs (wax probably) and is left there when the colony expires. When new bees are installed into the colony they may also die from the remaining material in the combs. For our bees corn pollen ranks up there with dandylion pollen as favorites among the top five. When corn tassels my bees pollen production jumps from about 1/3 cup per day to 2 cups of corn pollen. To get a regulation limiting the use of Pencap-M in CT. we started by sending insecticide killed bees to the State Entomologist for analysis. This showed that, as I recall, about 1/2 of the bees were killed by the active ingredient in Pencap-M. If it wasn't 1/2 it was the largest single insecticide killer of bees. At that point, we (the CT. Beekeepers Assn.) hired a lawyer for advice and the process of getting a regulation in CT. stopping the use of Pencap-M on tasseling corn left the Association with a substantial debt. We went through this process over 10 years ago. I don't know if it ended up in a change in the label for other states, but Connecticut's more limiting use restrictions for Pencap-M still stands. It is noteworthy, that after the regulation went into affect the number of insecticide poisonings sharply declined. If more detailed information is required I will try to come up with names and addresses of people who worked closely with the problem at that time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Howe - Editor | Phone or FAX: (203)491-2338 | | Connecticut Honey Bee | 86, 5 1/2 Mile Road | | INTERNET - CHOWE@CTHONEYBEE.WIN.NET | Goshen, CT. 06756 | | COMPUSERVE - 72726.1437@COMPUSERVE.COM | USA | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:26 EDT 1994 Article: 674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!rsrodger From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Sat, 06 Aug 1994 10:22:17 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <-LcGkO9RtM7B069yn@wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Originator: rsrodger@rac2.wam.umd.edu In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > Hope this answers your questions. Yes, thanks. -- Previous .sig deleted because some people couldn't parse "from email _received_ re: a post on comp.sys.powerpc." From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Fri Aug 12 10:57:27 EDT 1994 Article: 675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!halls1.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:27 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au In article <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: >From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? >Date: Wed, 03 Aug 94 10:06:08 EDT >I'm surprised that there isn't more concern about the "Empty Hive" >thread that has been going on the past few days. The scenario was In quick defence of myself, I did express some such concerns (I always do.... I am on a CRUSADE against diseases...my fathers entire apiary was wiped out by AFB) I did actaully reply along that vein, but from my other account, and I don't seem to be able to get the news posting facility on that acount to work... Adrian (trying to help myself this time....) From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Fri Aug 12 10:57:28 EDT 1994 Article: 676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:59:21 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au In article sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) writes: >From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) >Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling >about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as That sounds reasonably typical of a colony (to me at least) >opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb >on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so >thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead >removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the The way I usually open up a hive is to remove one of the edge frames, in your case, the shady side one as it would have less bees and wax on it, then move the others across so that you have room to manipulate them. >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if Find some literature on AFB, and compare any pictures in it with what you see...also chalk brrod, EFB, and other brood diseases. If you are still in doubt, cut a piece of the affected comb and send it to a bee inspector type place...they will be able to give an accurate diagnosis (free in australia...) apart from all that, good luck, and enjoy. Adrian. From at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 12 10:57:29 EDT 1994 Article: 677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!at664 From: at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (R John Northcote) Subject: Re: What do I do about skunks? Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:11:53 GMT Lines: 16 Skunks will scratch at the entrance and eat the bees as they come out to investigate. I have some bottom boards with 3/8 inch scratches in them from the skunks. I have found a dead skunk in one of my yards but otherwise know of two methods which work. The first is to have a landlord (eg farmer) who shoots them for me with asking - aim for the backbone/neck sho he doesn't 'fire'. THe other method is to inject a raw egg with cynaide or arsenic and bury the egg in front of the hive (one inch or so). You'll find the skunk nearby. Buying cyanide/arseic is a sometimes a problem though - depends on the state/province you live in. -- R John Northcote c/o National Capital Freenet From at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Aug 12 10:57:30 EDT 1994 Article: 678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!at664 From: at664@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (R John Northcote) Subject: Re: 1993 Honey Prices Message-ID: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:18:06 GMT Lines: 11 Prices in US are usually by the pound (remember that quaint Measure?). Here in Canada we usually quote honey in pounds as well (except for the government which uses Kilos). In 93 Canadian wholesale prices were in the 60-65 cents/pound range in 45 gal (CDN) barrels. At the time the exchange rate was about 1 CDN$ = .79 US$ (currently 72 cnets). -- R John Northcote c/o National Capital Freenet From sph@usgp4.ATT.COM Fri Aug 12 10:57:31 EDT 1994 Article: 679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!ncar!uchinews!att-out!nntpa!nntpa.cb.att.com!sph From: sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) Subject: old honey Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: usgp4.ih.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 17:02:26 GMT Lines: 19 I have one hive of bees down in central Il, and I have 4 gallons of honey left that is 3 - 5 years old. It used to taste pretty good, but it has gotten dark, is crystalized, and does not taste that great anymore. It was not stored in the best of conditions. If I feed this to my bees will it make this year's crop dark and taste old? Or will the bees "freshen it up" somewhat? One more question: I have had this colony for 7 years now, and it was re-queened 2 years before I bought it. Should I consider buying a new queen next year, or should I just let them go as long as they seem strong ( and they looked great yesterday ). Thanks in advance Stephen P. Hill sph@uscbu.ih.att.com From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Fri Aug 12 10:57:31 EDT 1994 Article: 680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: old honey Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 07:22:30 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au In article sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) writes: >From: sph@usgp4.ATT.COM (nac250300-Hill) >honey left that is 3 - 5 years old. It used to taste pretty good, but >If I feed this to my bees will it make this year's crop dark and >taste old? Or will the bees "freshen it up" somewhat? Usually bees wont store honey that is given to them in a honey condition, they will just eat it, and use it for brood food, so it shouldn't affect the honey quality. BUT are you sure (if it wasn't stored in good conditions) that it is disease free??? >One more question: I have had this colony for 7 years now, and it was >re-queened 2 years before I bought it. Should I consider buying a new >queen next year, or should I just let them go as long as they seem >strong ( and they looked great yesterday ). Well...the naverage life span of a queen is about two years, so you should have had a few queens since then, although you may not have noticed. Some beekeepers requeen every two to four years, but I only do so if I have an unproducitve hive, or one that is paricularly unpleasant to work with. I also like to requeen if I am splitting a hive, because there is a theory that leaving a "swarm induced" queen will promote the swarm impulse gene... if there is such a thing. Adrian (was I helpful this timt?? hu? huh? was I??) From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:32 EDT 1994 Article: 681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 07:26:06 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Message-ID: References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com> , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <31ro0v$8hs@news1.hh.ab.com>, Paul.Ferroni@ab.com wrote: > > Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! > There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her sweaters > (I forget the chemical name), and then there is Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) > that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. The "other" mothballs (the ones you should NOT use) are naphthalene. It's a hydrocarbon (polycyclic hydrocarbon, if you're into details) that would be quite soluble in wax and would thus diffuse readily into the comb. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From altabios@bham.ac.uk Fri Aug 12 10:57:34 EDT 1994 Article: 682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!fulcrum!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: 8 Aug 1994 12:10:14 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3257b6$i3o@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) says: > >Since I stirred things up a bit with my questions about empty hives >and robber bees, I thought it might be good to let people know what >I've found since then. > >Today at lunchtime I opened the hive and found a lot of bees crawling >about. They were especially dense on the sunnier side of the hive as >opposed to the shady side. I could see that they were busy adding comb >on three frames closest to the side. In fact, these frames looked so >thick with comb that I did not initially try to move them, but instead >removed one of the middle frames. It had some honey cells along the >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if >this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned >me somewhat. > >The bees seemed quite calm and gentle. A dozen or two were floating >around the hive, a few seemed to check me out, but they mostly seemed to >ignore me--a rather gratifying attitude to my way of thinking. :-) > >I could easily see dozens of bees crawling around on the frames, and >one thing that puzzled me a bit was they mostly seemed to ignore the >smoke I would puff at them occasionally. Still, it felt reassuring to >have the smoker handy. > >I'm going out of town this weekend, but next week I intend to look at >a few more frames and try to spot the queen and/or active brood cells. > >Anyway, my newbie impression is that a colony has indeed moved in, >but perhaps someone would care to interpret what I've seen so far. > >Thanks again to everyone for the helpful comments. > >Mark Sandrock >-- >Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, >Chemical Sciences Computer Center Menschen durch die Liebe." >505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801 --Julius Langbehn >Email: sandrock@uiuc.edu Seeing brood cells with the tops broken is a disturbing sign. The only time this should happen is when the new bee is coming out. The cap is then quickly removed and the cell cleaned up for the next occupant. It may be that these contain dead bees and they have been opened by the new workers. It's hard to quantify numbers of bees by Email but you should be seeing frames covered with bees, in their hundreds. Certainly they may not move for smoke, the main effect of smoke is to make them feed and get so full they can't sting you. I would suggest looking for eggs and brood. If they are there, you have a working queen. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:35 EDT 1994 Article: 683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty hive? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 10:52:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 69 Message-ID: <1700C98E5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <170078E13S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Some final comments on my "Empty Hive" missal. First, I'm glad that readers saw through the flames and took the face value of my post. Bees will do what bees will do, beekeeper or not. There are no value judgments involved. Bees will visit an empty hive, irregardless of the reasons why the hive is empty. Valid reasons or bad excuses don't matter to the bees who see an empty hive as an empty hive. Concerning the moth ball thread, I guess it breaks down into a couple of things: commercial vs hobby beekeeping and greens vs browns (organic vs chemicals). I am a hobby beekeeper with twenty years experience. My beekeeping concerns are small potatoes. I don't have to store large numbers of honey supers and am able to spend more time/labor tending my equipment. My goal in keeping bees is to be outside enjoying the buzz. The hobby is its own reward, the honey harvest is a bonus. I also lean towards the green side. I garden organically whenever possible, although I've been known to resort to herbicides (flower gardens only, never vegetable/consumable gardens) when the weeding task is beyond my ability to handle it organically. I do however, avoid nonorganic pesticides at all costs. Better to lose to the buggers than poison them with chemicals in my book. This explains my distaste for fumigants, sanctioned or not. I too got out my copy of "The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee" and read up on fumigants. Finding a reference that says that it's ok to use PDB and/or moth crystals doesn't make it ok for ME to use it/them. Knowing that the U.S. government says that after three days of airing out the supers they will be "OK" doesn't necessarily give me comfort, although I ALWAYS believe whatever the governments says ;-) . As a small potatoes beekeeper, I am able to wrap ALL of my honey supers in plastic garbage bags and with diligence, I can avoid problems with wax moths. I have no need to resort to fumigants when mechanics will serve my needs. I would probably sing a different tune were my operation multiplied a hundred fold, but I am more comfortable knowing that my honey has not been exposed to fumigants, whether used properly or not. When a query is posted about whether honey is exposed to chemicals, the answer can't be "No, it was produced in honey supers that were exposed to chemicals in a sanctioned manner", the answer is "Yes, the honey has been exposed to chemicals". It's up to the consumer to decide to what degree they are comfortable with the USDA sanctioned exposure. Laying all my cards on the table, I'll admit to using Apistan. I've lost too many hives to mites, and there is no alternative at the present time, so USDA sanctions away, I use the strips and follow the "moving target" directions. I'm not reassured by following the directions and I know that at least on a molecular level, my honey contains a contaminate that it did not before I started using the strips. I'm not comfortable with whatever level of contaminates there may or may not be, but given the alternatives I'll use the strips and live with the discomfort. This is not meant to start off an organic vs chemicals flame war, that's already covered on rec.gardens. I'll continue to avoid fumigants, I'll continue to use Apistan, I'll continue to monitor progress on genetic resistance, and I'll continue to be comforted in knowing that the honey produced by my bees has a lower level of exposure to sanctioned chemicals than most. Cheers! Aaron Morris P.S. On a different note, while browsing "The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee" I stumbled across a reference to a US president in the '70s who was a real believer in the positive benefits of bee pollen, but the reference didn't say which US president (Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan). I'll bet it was Carter, but does anyone know for sure? From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:36 EDT 1994 Article: 684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Mothballs" as a fumigant? Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 11:12:33 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1700C9DA1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu >In article , >rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > >> ... >> Ah - it suddenly becomes clear! There are two kinds of "moth balls"!! >> There is the kind that my mom uses to keep the moths out of her >> sweaters (I forget the chemical name), and then there is >> Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) that beekeepers use to deal with Wax moth. > >The "other" mothballs (the ones you should NOT use) are naphthalene. >It's a hydrocarbon (polycyclic hydrocarbon, if you're into details) >that would be quite soluble in wax and would thus diffuse readily into >the comb. >-- >John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the >roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company. " Thanks to Rick and especially John for clarifying this. Quite a difference there, no? That's one thing that bothers me about the Information Superhighway: the ability to disperse misinformation worldwide. Perhaps there is more to be learned from Adrian's sig ("No help at All!?") than meets the eye! (Not attributing misinformation to Adrian, just acknowledging his sig). Again, thanks to those who set this record straight! Keep up the good work! Perhaps there should be a very explicit section in the FAQ along the lines "Can I use my mother's moth balls to control wax moths?"? Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:37 EDT 1994 Article: 685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The hive ain't empty... Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 11:14:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1700C9E28S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock) writes: > ... one of the middle frames ... had some honey cells along the >top, which I remembered from before, but in the center there appeared >to be brood cells on which the covering was broken. I don't know if >this is a normal appearance for hatched out cells, so this concerned >me somewhat. This COULD be a bad sign. Normal appearance for hatched out cells is a bee emerging/chewing its way through the cell cap. If there are no emerging bees evident there may me reasons for concern. If there are dead bees behind the broken caps there is definite cause for concern, as this is a symptom of American Foulbrood. The good news is that you're poking around in the hive! Check again, but go throught the entire hive. The capping pattern as you described may be normal, but it's hard to say without knowing what things looked like surrounding that frame. It may be the case that the middle frame you picked was an area of the brood chamber that had just hatched all of the bees and had not yet been reused by the queen. Hopefully, this is the case. Or, it may be indicative of a brood disease. The things to look for are whether the cells are empty and clean, ready for the next generation, and how the pattern you observed compares to the pattern of the surrounding frames. Also, use your other senses: sound and smell. These are harder senses to develope and exploit when working your bees, but they are very valuable to the beekeeper. Listen to the buzzing of the bees. Is it a busy, hive at work sort of sound (that's the impression I get from your description) or is it a stressed tone? It's hard to describe the difference, and perhaps the destinction only comes with experience. Smell is also important. Does the hive smell normal? Literature describes the smell of foulbrood as sickly sweet, but it's hard to put those words into an olfactory experience other than to experience it. And if you are able to experience it, learn it(!), because it's not an experience you'll care to oft' repeat. Otherwise, it sounds like you're getting into the experience of beekeeping. Good luck with your subsequent inspections! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Fri Aug 12 10:57:38 EDT 1994 Article: 686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!otto-4.ethz.ch!user From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa resistant honeybees Date: 11 Aug 1994 06:34:14 GMT Organization: Solid State Physics, ETHZ, Switzerland Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: otto-4.ethz.ch Some days ago somebody enquired about such bees. The journal "Bee World" carried in its issue 2 1994 an interesting article written by Mr. Ralph Buechler about this aspect. The answer is: Yes this behaviour is possible. Honeybee races vary widly in there natural resistance to varroatosis. The article gives a good overview and shows the efforts by some researchers in finding such races through selection or breeding. In case somebody needs this article I can mail a copy. Please send e-mail to - hthomas@solid.phys.ethz,ch Hans From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Fri Aug 12 10:57:38 EDT 1994 Article: 687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!otto-4.ethz.ch!user From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeNet Date: 11 Aug 1994 12:55:33 GMT Organization: Solid State Physics, ETHZ, Switzerland Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: otto-4.ethz.ch In an older issue of "Bee World" I read about an other beekeeping BBS. It's called "BeeNet". Does anybody know how to access it through the Internet or any other means? In case you want to e-mail I can be reached via: - hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Thanks for your help. Hans From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Aug 12 10:57:39 EDT 1994 Article: 688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with empty Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 09:59:28 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1700F8C83S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <33A15839@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <33A15839@beenet.com> ANDY.NACHBAUR@beenet.com (andy nachbaur) writes: >>SYSAM@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU queried >> ... a US president in the '70s who was a >>real believer in the positive benefits of bee pollen... > >Andy responded: > It was RR! Someone gave him some pollen bars...or something. Well if that's the case I would never make a claim about bee pollen having a positive effect on one's memory! From jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Fri Aug 12 10:57:40 EDT 1994 Article: 689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) Subject: best time to harvest Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:12:43 GMT Lines: 21 I remember reading that the best time to harvest honey was in the middle of the day and that bees tended to get madder during a low-pressure time like before a thunder storm. Well, on Sunday, I went out (admittedly late in the day at 5pm) to get into my hive, and were they mad. I took out 4 frames and left after getting my rite of passage sting--my first in the three years I've had this hive. Last year, they hardly bothered me. The frames were totally covered with bees in this super with some uncapped frames. OK, I decided to try again yesterday in the middle of the day, temp 80degrees in the shade and hazy. They were even more angry like I had dissed the queen or something and hundreds of them flew at my veil. OK, maybe 50 total flew at my veil, but it seemed liked hundreds. I was smoking them like crazy and even smoking myself. I thought sure everyone would be out to lunch, but apparently not. So, is there a better time/condition than others to open a hive and harvest the honey? Should I take a sprayer of cool water or something? -- Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu 804-924-7409 From fgt@cadre.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:42 EDT 1994 Article: 690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!cadre!usenet From: fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) Subject: Re: best time to harvest Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cadre.com (News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: cadre.cadre.com Reply-To: fgt@cadre.com Organization: CADRE TECHNOLOGIES INC. References: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 18:26:01 GMT Lines: 5 Angry bees have also become a problem for me. Could it be that there is little nectar right now in my area because of dry conditions? Would feeding them a big dose of undiluted honey calm them down? From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Fri Aug 12 10:57:43 EDT 1994 Article: 691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: best time to harvest Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:25:09 GMT Lines: 10 In article , Fred G. Thurber wrote: > Angry bees have also become a problem for me. Often when harvesting honey the bees may be aggressive. Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From lapointe@netcom.com Fri Aug 12 10:57:44 EDT 1994 Article: 692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!lapointe From: lapointe@netcom.com (Douglas LaPointe) Subject: What is bee pollen? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 04:18:28 GMT Lines: 10 First I will apologize for asking such a newbee question, but I could not find my answer in the FAQ. I saw bee pollen for sale in a health food store. Is this pollen that has been harvested by honey bees? It was touted as being extremely nutritious, "you can live off of this stuff". Is this true? TIA Douglas From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Aug 17 00:30:41 EDT 1994 Article: 693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best time to harvest Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 07:21:04 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au In article fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) writes: >From: fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) >Subject: Re: best time to harvest >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 18:26:01 GMT > Angry bees have also become a problem for me. Could it be that >there is little nectar right now in my area because of dry conditions? >Would feeding them a big dose of undiluted honey calm them down? The best thing to do is to get a reasonably gentle strain of bees, and to not rush into opening the hive...wiat a minute or so after the first puff of smoke so they have a chance to start gorging thenselves. Something else you might like to check is the type of smoker fuel you are using...I have noticed marked differences between eucalyptus leaves, pine needles and heshian sacking... Another thing I have started doing recently is to take a shaker of thin sugar syrup and shake this over the bees as soon as I open the hive, and right before I close it...I don't use honey, purely to avoid any risk of spreading disease. I don't think I have any disease (apart from some noseema) in any of my hives, but I don't want to suddenly find out that the hive I got my feeding honey from had AFB...as the way I would probably find this would be because all my hives would die... mostly, the bees are easier to handle if they are the right temperature, queenrite, and well fed. Adrian (I hope I'm helpful this time...) From laakkone@cc.Helsinki.FI Wed Aug 17 00:30:42 EDT 1994 Article: 694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail From: laakkone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tero Laakkonen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: maximizing vicia villosa seed crop with bees? Date: 13 Aug 1994 14:02:55 +0300 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 10 Message-ID: <32i98v$l25@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi, what kind of bee (and at what density) do i need for maximum seed crop of vicia villosa? what is a good (and up-to-date) reference? thanks! -- "i abhor you pretentious insight. i respect conscious guessing because it consists of two good qualities: courage and modesty." -imre lakatos From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Aug 17 00:30:42 EDT 1994 Article: 695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gosh, it's quiet in here.... Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 11:34:25 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 49 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au Keywords: echo!!! Helo??? ooo?? ooo?? ooo?? I thought it might echo a little.....there does seem to have been a little fall of in the number of postings here lately...I suppose all you people on the upside of the planet are busy out harvesting tanker loads of honey... I suppose it is really going to start getting quiet as everyone slows the pace down for their winter operations....I think we need more Aussies online so that we can have inane chat about obvious things all year 'round. I guess, just as I am getting ready for my fourth harvest (well my fourth personal harvest...not counting the five or six I did with the guy who's hive management techniques seemes to be responsible for over 300 hives including my fathers 30, being wiped out by AFB) everybody else will be busy talking about storage of combs and various other winter operations.... I suppose the small hiatus in the activity that comes in your Autumn and my spring will give time for me to get to work on the australian sections of the FAQ instead of being totally useless trying to help everybody...:-> While there is a bit less in the way of hive activity going on, why don't we all swap best/worst experiences about beekeeping... My worst experience was trying to work our first (at least we think it was first) AFB infected hive. Actually they belonged to the guy I mentioned above, but all our hives where in with his....he had all the equipment, we just had hives.. Anyway, this hive gave me more stings in one day than I have had before or since....in fact probably even if I was to add up all the stings I'd ever had, this would have been more.... This hive was the worst pack of niggly little bitches I have ever seen ( although those of you that have seen Afric. bees have probably seen worse) and as soon as we started smoking the hive, all four of us were attacked.... once we had the hive opened, one person stayed there as each of the rest of us went to was our srings to get rid of the venom smell....our bucket of water was about ten metres away from this particular hive, and as soon as we took our gloves of to get at the sting, another two or three would seemingly materialise next to it...then after washing the arm or whatever and moving to put the glove back on, we would get stung again. We closed that hive up, but for the next few hours, if we walked withing three or four meters of it, we got stung. The reason I believe this hive to be responsible for promoting the spread of AFB through the apiary is because even the guys that had been doing bees for years were to wary of this hive to do all the work it needed for swarm and disease control, in fact it was rarely opened, and it wasn't even robbed for a year or two. I was about 14 at the time, and blissfully unaware that such things as bee diseases existed....but the older guys should have known better... Well...thats all for now....I just thought I'd share that...oh...my best experience.....every year when the first bit of honey flows out of the bottom of the extractor....(what else?? :-> ) Adrian. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Wed Aug 17 00:30:43 EDT 1994 Article: 696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Bes/Wicwas Press Catalog Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 00:03:46 GMT Lines: 26 Forwarded from Bee-l: From: "" Subject: New catalog Expect delivery of our new catalog this week, with book, slide and video list of current bee/beekeeping/social insect titles. Will send a free copy to any Bee-L people who request it. Also, if you have a club or class, I will ship them in bulk. Indicate the number you require. Again, no charge. Mail address is: BES/Wicwas Press Larry Connor, Ph.D., Owner P. O. Box 817 Cheshire CT 06410 USA I'd assume he'd send anyone on USENET a free copy too, at least so he figures out we're here! Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From griffin@dorsai.org Wed Aug 17 00:30:44 EDT 1994 Article: 697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!griffin From: griffin@dorsai.org (Leslie_Bildner) Subject: Image of Beehive in art Message-ID: Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York, NY X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:41:25 GMT Lines: 14 Hi there: I stumbled across this newsgroup and couldn't resist posting a question that I have had for a while. I have long wondered about the dome shaped 'bee-hive' that is traditionally shown in emblems, cartoons, etc. It certainly doesn't look like any natural bee-hive that I've ever seen. Is this a stylized representation of some sort of artificial hive? Some versions that I've seen appear to be woven, like a wicker basket. Thanks, <<< Les <<< From roe@crosfield.co.uk Wed Aug 17 00:30:44 EDT 1994 Article: 698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Image of Beehive in art Message-ID: <1994Aug15.123959.3168@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 12:39:59 GMT Lines: 37 In article griffin@dorsai.org (Leslie_Bildner) writes: >I have long wondered about the dome shaped 'bee-hive' that is >traditionally shown in emblems, cartoons, etc. It certainly doesn't look >like any natural bee-hive that I've ever seen. Is this a stylized >representation of some sort of artificial hive? Some versions that I've >seen appear to be woven, like a wicker basket. You're almost right, Les. They were made of straw and called skeps. To protect them from the rain they were often placed under some sort of cover. Sometimes recesses in walls called bee boles were used. I don't know exactly how widespread the use of skeps was. They were certainly used by the British and in other parts of the world where British influence prevailed. They slowly went out of use after the invention of removable frame hives in the middle of the 19th century. What the beekeeper did was to catch swarms in the spring and encourage them to take up residence in the skeps. At the end of the summer a few were put to one side (to provide the swarms for next year) and the rest of the hives were killed. Often this was done by placing them over a fire onto which sulpher had been placed. Once the bees were dead the honey comb was cut out and the skeps put to one side until the next spring. I believe methods rather like this are still used in some less developed parts of the world such as Africa (using log hives) but throughout most of the world removable fame hives have become almost universal. They have many advantages although I don't have time to discuss that here. Indeed, in some countries it is illegal to keep bees in anything but a removable frame hive. This is because it is otherwise impossible to inspect for disease. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 17 00:30:45 EDT 1994 Article: 699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: weak hive? Date: 15 Aug 1994 15:13:19 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <32o0mf$s1o@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] hi - my two new hives have survived the summer (still raging here in california), but one of them seems quite weak. the two were started from five frame nucs ... i've added two honey supers to one of them and the other has yet to fill the brood chamber. as october/november approaches, i'm a bit concerned about this weaker hive ... can i take some honey frames (and bees) from the strong hive and add them to the weak one? anyone have any other ideas on how to strengthen the weak hive? regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov From roe@crosfield.co.uk Wed Aug 17 00:30:46 EDT 1994 Article: 700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: weak hive? Message-ID: <1994Aug15.171748.5112@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <32o0mf$s1o@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 17:17:48 GMT Lines: 24 In article <32o0mf$s1o@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov writes: >i've added two honey supers to one of them and the other >has yet to fill the brood chamber. as october/november approaches, i'm a bit >concerned about this weaker hive You can boost the weaker hive but before you do that you should ask yourself, "Why are the two colonies so different?" It could be disease. Inspect your weak hive carefully for brood diseases and mites. If you find anything then treat as appropriate. Another possibility is that you have a poor queen. I'll return to that. Assuming the hive is healthy then transfer a frame or two of brood, depending on how much is available, from the stronger to the weaker hive. Its best to shake most of the adult bees off. Make sure you don't transfer the queen! It's young bees you want at this time of year to build up for the winter. If the hive still doesn't thrive then requeening is probably indicated. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From altabios@bham.ac.uk Wed Aug 17 00:30:46 EDT 1994 Article: 701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey yields Date: 16 Aug 1994 12:22:28 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32qb24$8dg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 Just out of interest, what sort of honey yield does everyone else get, say the average per hive? I have four working hives this year, the fifth one was a filled in June with a new swarm. I got a total of 180lb of honey off the four hives and am quite pleased with myself (and the bees who did all the work). How many tons/hive do you get in the States? Everything there being bigger and better than in the old UK! From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Aug 17 00:30:47 EDT 1994 Article: 702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!howitt-b04-01.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey yields Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:10:49 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <32qb24$8dg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: howitt-b04-01.cc.monash.edu.au In article <32qb24$8dg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) writes: >Just out of interest, what sort of honey yield does everyone else get, >say the average per hive? WEll, I can't speak for the u.s.a....but here in a.u.s., we can get up to 100kg per hive over two extractions. In a good year (or even just an ordinary year in the north) it can be much more than this. Average for me is about 15 - 10 kg per hive, but then I have only been extracting once each year.... Adrian. (yet another failed attempt at being helpful....) From mikee@eskimo.com Wed Aug 17 22:50:36 EDT 1994 Article: 703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!mikee From: mikee@eskimo.com (Mike Koehn) Subject: Fennel Message-ID: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 04:22:15 GMT Lines: 5 My bees are into the fennel and mint bloom. Will this ruin the taste of the honey? It's mostly blackberry so far. Thanks in advance, Mike Koehn From moroney@world.std.com Wed Aug 17 22:50:37 EDT 1994 Article: 704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!blanket.mitre.org!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: weak hive? Message-ID: <6eOKkaE96ZrT065yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <32o0mf$s1o@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 04:54:46 GMT Lines: 30 In article <32o0mf$s1o@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov>, Richard Spear wrote: > > hi - my two new hives have survived the summer (still raging here in > california), but one of them seems quite weak. the two were started from > five frame nucs ... i've added two honey supers to one of them and the other > has yet to fill the brood chamber. as october/november approaches, i'm a bit You may wish to consider that you may be better off with one strongish hive going into winter rather than two weaker ones. If the hive comes through winter strong they'll have a good jump on the spring and you will be rewarded. Otherwise you may have a weak hive and a very weak (or dead) hive and get less total honey. To do this combine the hives. Remove whichever queen is less desireable (prob. the one from the weaker hive), or don't bother if you want the bees to sort things out. Remove the outer and inner cover from one hive, place a sheet of newspaper over it (with a couple small holes in it) and place the other hive body on it. The bees will chew the paper and slowly get acquainted in the process. You can split the hive in the spring if they're doing well/trying to swarm, and get your two hives back. However you're from California so therefore don't have the winters we do here, so maybe they'll do OK anyway. Regardless be darn sure the weak hive is not diseased before you do anything that will contaminate the other. -Mike From crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net Wed Aug 17 22:50:38 EDT 1994 Article: 705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!panther.Gsu.EDU!gatech!ncar!csn!jabba.cybernetics.net!not-for-mail From: crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tips on finding queen? Date: 17 Aug 1994 12:42:50 -0400 Organization: Creative Cybernetics -online services (704-549-5553 voice) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jabba.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] This is my second year of beekeeping and I'm still having trouble locating the queen. I know what she looks like, and sometimes when I am working a hive (I have 4) I will see her, but I can't just go into a hive and find her whenever I want to. This fall I need to re-queen 2 hives (captured swarms) so I need some tips on how to find the elusive little lady. Thanks -Steve Crumley (Louisburg NC) From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Wed Aug 17 22:50:39 EDT 1994 Article: 706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Tracheal Mite Samples Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 20:23:46 GMT Lines: 38 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:04:23 -0400 From: Diana Sammataro Subject: Tracheal Mite Samples To all bee/or bee mite researchers out there: I am currently screening tracheal mites from different countries and regions of the US to see if DNA patterns are different. I would be grateful if some other cooperators would send me samples of mites, or infested bees, from colonies that died of mites and from those still alive but infested. Alcohol samples of mites in the tubes or infested bees is fine, if the samples were previously frozen or collected within the past year. Bees left in alcohol too long are difficult to find mites. However, mite samples within the tubes can be over a year. Use 70% EtOH and label all samples In addition to A. woodi, A. externis and A. dorsalis would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help. If there are any questions, please write, call or email. Diana Sammataro Dept Entomology Ohio State University 1735 Neil Ave Columbus OH 43210 1220 Phone: 614 292 9089, Fax: 614 292 2180 Email: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From ez021641@dale.ucdavis.edu Sun Aug 21 21:06:04 EDT 1994 Article: 707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!dale.ucdavis.edu!ez021641 From: ez021641@dale.ucdavis.edu (Son Trinh) Subject: Yellow Jackets (sp?) Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:51:35 GMT Lines: 15 I have a hive in my back yard, and everyday, i see there are two or three yellow jackets hoovering around the hive entrance. Sooner or later, one of them will land on a semi-dead bee near the entrance. Any body has any idea of what's going on? I tried to find out what the yellow jacket were doing, but to no avail. I also observe that the worker bee drags away the dead bee beyond my sight. For curiosity sake, is there any published paper on the distance that the worker actually disposed of the dead bee?? I would appreciate if you can reply directly to my email acct (ez021641@bullwinkle. ucdavis.edu). Thank you for ur help An inquiring mind, -ST From killoran@ll.mit.edu Sun Aug 21 21:06:05 EDT 1994 Article: 708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Bee disease: preventative vs treatment Message-ID: <9408181210.PN00869@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 12:10:17 -0400 Lines: 44 Another newbie question from someone who just started this spring! I've read a bit about the various bee diseases and what to do about them, but I'm always left wondering how old the information is (especially in the case of mites) and whether the treatment is preventative or only used when the problem becomes obvious. Here's what I believe - please expand on this info or correct: There are four problems to worry about: 1 Foulbrood (both American and European) 2 Nosema 3 Varroa mites 4 Tracheal mites >From reading I think the following is to be done: 1 Feed terramycin in spring and fall to control foulbrood. It seems like this is always present to some degree, but is manageable. 2 Fumidil 'B' for control of Nosema. Again, spring and fall feedings for prevention. 3 Apistan strips when you KNOW you have Varroa mites. Not preventative, but reactive. 4 Extender pattys (vegetable shortening) or Menthol when you KNOW you have Tracheal mites. Not preventative either. So... I haven't done anything yet to my bees (the package they came in had an Apistan strip which I didn't move into the hive). This fall I plan to feed both Terramycin and Fumidil 'B'. As the hive seems very healthy, I will not treat for any mites. Am I doing the right thing? Any other diseases to worry about? Should I not treat for anything? Etc, etc... I've heard of hives with AFB being burned and certainly don't want my hive to have to end this way! Your personal ideas and schedule for disease control would be helpful. Thanks, Mike Killoran -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 Try to do good. From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Aug 21 21:06:07 EDT 1994 Article: 709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Date: 19 Aug 1994 12:18:03 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3327tr$dbr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net>, crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) says: > >This is my second year of beekeeping and I'm still having trouble >locating the queen. I know what she looks like, and sometimes when >I am working a hive (I have 4) I will see her, but I can't just >go into a hive and find her whenever I want to. This fall I need >to re-queen 2 hives (captured swarms) so I need some tips on how >to find the elusive little lady. >Thanks > -Steve Crumley (Louisburg NC) I find it hard to see the queen as well, although I rarely specifically look for her The queen tends to shun the light so if you keep half of the brood chamber covered she will tend to be in that half. You can also mark the queen with paint, in the UK there is a colour coding system so you can tell her age. The paint helps to find the queen as well. I once spent an hour trying to find a marked queen without success, put all the frames back in place and while wondering what to do, saw the queen going over the top of the frames. The queen is rarely on the outer frames so you can take these out of the hive, it makes for fewer frames to look through From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sun Aug 21 21:06:09 EDT 1994 Article: 710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Apis Magazine 8/94 Message-ID: Keywords: Apis, beekeeping, bee, sanford, magazine Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 03:58:01 GMT Lines: 247 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 8, August 1994 PERMITTING HONEY PROCESSING Dr. Keith Delaplane at the University of Georgia recently discussed food regulations in his column "Strictly for the Hobbyist," American Bee Journal, July, 1994. His concern comes from hard experience. It seems that a food inspector visited a store that was buying Dr. Delaplane's honey. The merchant ceased doing business because Dr. Delaplane was not licensed by the state. At first disgruntled by yet another "imposition of government on agriculture and grass-roots living," Dr. Delaplane has changed his opinion. He now urges beekeepers to be proactive on this issue. Even the smallest beekeepers who sell honey to the public must comply with facility licensing laws in Georgia. According to Dr. Delaplane, "The licensing consists of a permit issued at no cost following a satisfactory inspection. Facilities are inspected quarterly thereafter." The above policy used to be about the same in Florida. However, as of January 1993, the rules have changed. According to Florida Statute 500.12, Section 1(a), "A food permit from the department is required of any person in the business of manufacturing, processing, packing, holding, preparing or selling food at retail . . . " Most of this statement was already in the old law, but Section 1(b) says "Applications for a food permit from the department shall be accompanied by a fee to be determined by department rule, not to exceed $350. Food permits shall be renewed annually on or before January 1." Thus, the time is over when food processors can obtain free permits. For small producers (less than $10,000 in sales), this translates to a fee of $60.00 per year, according to Dr. John Rychener of the Bureau of Food and Meat Inspection, Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Although the strict letter of the law requires all beekeepers selling honey to the public to obtain permits, there is some latitude. Florida employs only eighty-four food inspectors to oversee the food safety in over 25,000 processing plants and retail stores. The occasional small honey producer can be missed, according to Dr. Rychener. However, if and when the food inspection service becomes aware of any person/business without a permit, it must act. There is no penalty the first time one is discovered. Nevertheless, once contacted by a food inspector, one must obtain a license which is renewable annually with imposition of a late fee, if applicable. Section 5E-6.008 of the same law provides sanitary regulations governing manufacture, processing, packing, or other handling of honey. They are summarized in Hints for the Hive 106, soon to be distributed as ENY 106 in the IFAS CD-ROM FAIRS program: (1) HONEY HOUSE. A honey house is any stationary or portable building, including equipment, used for the purpose of extracting, processing, packing or other handling of honey. (2) FLOORS. Floors...shall be impervious and easily cleaned...smooth, in good repair, and kept clean...and if having a drain, be drained into a septic tank, or cesspool, or be connected to local sewage disposal facilities. (3) WALLS AND CEILINGS. Shall have smooth washable surfaces, be clean and in good repair. (4) LIGHTING AND VENTILATION. Shall be adequately ventilated...permit efficient operations and cleaning of equipment. (5) DOORS AND WINDOWS. Shall be screened, kept in good repair, and equipped with bee escapes. (6) WATER SUPPLY. Shall be properly located, constructed and operated in accordance with local sanitary codes...easily accessible and sanitary. (7) CONSTRUCTION, CARE, USE AND REPAIR OF HONEY HOUSE, CONTAINERS AND EQUIPMENT. During operation, the honey house shall be used exclusively for extraction, processing, packing or other handling of honey and for the storage of equipment related to the business of the honey house. Containers shall be free of internal rust, cleaned before reuse...all open equipment should be covered when not in use. (8) WATER DISPOSAL. There shall be an efficient waste disposal system. Toilet facilities, including wash basins, shall be conveniently available to honey house personnel. Toilet rooms shall not open directly into any room of the honey house. Toilets without plumbing shall be at least 75 feet from the plant...screened and have a self-closing door. (9) STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT. Equipment shall be stored free from rust and contamination. (10) HEATING EQUIPMENT. No boiler, oil stove or other heating equipment that gives off dust or odor may be used within the honey house, unless it has proper ventilation...and shall comply with fire regulations. (11) WORKER SANITATION. Workers shall wear clean and washable clothing... keep hands clean, and be provided with clean and sanitary towels. (12) CARE AND HANDLING OF COMBS OF HONEY. Combs should be loaded and handled so as to protect them from contamination. (13) USE OF HONEY PUMPS. Before being pumped, honey shall be strained through a screen of at least eight meshes to the inch or pumped from a baffled sump tank which provides a constant supply of honey for the pump. (14) CONTAINERS AND STORAGE. Honey shall not be packed in containers which have previously contained pesticide, creosote, gasoline, kerosine, fuel oil, paint, glue or other toxic substances. Storage tanks are to be protected from contamination and packed honey stored in a clean and sanitary manner. (15) PESTICIDE PROHIBITED. The application of spray type pesticides in the honey house is prohibited during extracting, processing and packing honey. Questions pertaining to Florida honey house sanitation should be directed to Dr. John Rychener or Mr. Kevin Lufkin, Bureau of Food and Meat Inspection, Food Safety Division, Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, 3125 Conner Blvd., Tallahassee, FL 32399-1650, Ph. 904/488-3951 or 1-800/HELPFLA, "select or say 6" for Food Safety. HONEY ADULTERATION ON THE RISE There is evidence that honey adulteration is approaching epidemic proportions in Florida and elsewhere. As in the past, the prime culprit is high fructose corn syrup (HFCS). The addition of HFCS to honey, even in large amounts, is difficult to detect without laboratory testing. And occasionally, vendors simply sell corn syrup as honey. Any of the above practices renders honey either adulterated and/or misbranded under the Florida Food Law. Many people are concerned about adulteration of honey, but it is extremely difficult to police. In a way, honey is its own enemy in this effort. The sweet is so healthful that, even when adulterated, it is not a health hazard. State and federal inspectors are stretched to their limits examining high risk foods. According to Mr. Lufkin of the Food Safety Division, mentioned in the previous article, there are not enough personnel resources left to enforce deceptive labelling practices. Inspectors are focusing instead on meat, milk and other products that are less forgiving than honey in their processing. "Detection of honey adulteration is the easy part," Mr. Lufkin says, "Tracking the violators is the constant challenge. All too frequently, the trail leads to phantom producers and distributors, hiding behind false labels and cash transactions." Only when enough people contact food inspectors, legislators and other policy makers with solid information can some effective action be taken. In the recent past, adulteration was reduced after an especially blatant case came to trial followed by conviction. However, the practice is raising its ugly head again. Honey adulteration adversely affects the apicultural industry by displacing its product in the marketplace. It also lowers the price as imports have been accused of doing. However, at least most imports are real honey and paying assessment for promotion to the National Honey Board. Adulterers reap double benefits: high prices for their product, cheaper to market than even the least expensive imported honey, coupled with no promotional assessment. As in the past, the beekeeping industry is the first line of defense against adulteration. A "self-policing" program, sponsored by the American Beekeeping Federation continues to be in effect. Suspicious honey is tested and, if found adulterated, the Federation notifies the proper officials and sends a report to the person who sent the sample for their follow-up. In spite of the recent adulterating activity, the Federation is receiving very few samples. Feeding bees sugar syrup and/or HFCS and extracting "honey" containing these products is also adulteration. Thus, beekeepers cannot be too careful. Even small amounts of adulterants are detected by tests currently in use. It is impossible to tell adulterated honey by either taste, smell or color. The only real evidence comes from defined techniques certified by the National Association of Chemists. Experience has shown, however, that adulterated product has one or all of the following characteristics: 1. No flavor, just sweet. 2. Very light or very dark 3. Molasses flavor 4. Consistently low price In addition to the above characteristics, adulterated honey has often been associated with "rustic" labels and "Mason" type jars. If you see suspicious product, send a sample to the Secretary-Treasurer, American Beekeeping Federation, P.O. Box 1038, Jesup, GA 31545, ph 912/427-8447, along with the following information: Date ____________________ DESCRIPTION OF HONEY SAMPLE: (include the label or copy the information on printed label including size of package, brand, name and address of packer or distributor) _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Where purchased:___________________________________________ Date purchased:____________________________________________ Code # on Jar or label_______________________ If only the packer's name appears on label, name and address of distributor: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Reason why honey is suspected of being adulterated_____________ ______________________________________________________________ Name and Address of Sender_________________________________ A fact sheet entitled ENY 103 Honey Adulteration is available on CD-ROM and from this office. It discusses the adulteration issue and provides the information given above on the American Beekeeping Federation's "self-policing" program. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Sun Aug 21 21:06:10 EDT 1994 Article: 711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is bee pollen? Date: 20 Aug 1994 05:10:06 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33437e$1tr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu lapointe@netcom.com (Douglas LaPointe) writes: >First I will apologize for asking such a newbee question, but I >could not find my answer in the FAQ. >I saw bee pollen for sale in a health food store. Is this pollen >that has been harvested by honey bees? It was touted as being >extremely nutritious, "you can live off of this stuff". Is this true? As I understand it, its pretty much straight protein. It's the bees main (only?) source. Depending on exactly where it came from it may also have a lot of trace elements that you could be deficient in. I wouldn't try to live off it, but I do alternate mornings with my vitamin. Mark From mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Sun Aug 21 21:06:11 EDT 1994 Article: 712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mark From: mark@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M.C. Rendina ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Date: 20 Aug 1994 05:14:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3343fl$2a1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) writes: >This is my second year of beekeeping and I'm still having trouble >locating the queen. I know what she looks like, and sometimes when >I am working a hive (I have 4) I will see her, but I can't just >go into a hive and find her whenever I want to. This fall I need One tip the state bee inspector gave me when I was a beekeeping young-un: The queen has longer legs than the rest of the bees and may stand out vertically. I.e., before you take the frame out, look down at it--if she's on the open side, she may pop out at you. Look down from the top. Got it? I thought he was crazy, but it did help me spot her a few times. I really want to get back into keeping. There's nothing like finding a queen the size of your pinky filling frame after frame with eggs. Mark From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sun Aug 21 21:06:12 EDT 1994 Article: 713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-01.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee disease: preventative vs treatment Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 14:00:03 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <9408181210.PN00869@LL.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-01.cc.monash.edu.au >There are four problems to worry about: >1 Foulbrood (both American and European) >2 Nosema >3 Varroa mites >4 Tracheal mites Starvation. Wax Moth. Pesticides. >1 Feed terramycin in spring and fall to control foulbrood. It seems > like this is always present to some degree, but is manageable. >From what I understand, terramyacin is only effective against EFB, and the only "cure" for AFB is to destroy all materials. In my opinion, it is better to destroy the materials anyway, because this stops other hives picking up the disease. It is better to destroy one hive, than to have to give extra attention to dozens of "sickies". Also, in Australia (why do I bother wity this..I'm the only aussie here) terramycin is (now...it wasn't five years ago) only available for diagnosed cases from a vet. (?!?!? a vet?!?!?!) >2 Fumidil 'B' for control of Nosema. Again, spring and fall feedings > for prevention. Making sure you have generaly strong hives is the best solution. From what I understand, and I could be wrong, there is no actual cure for nosema ( I would like to be wrong :-> ) but in strong and otherwise healthy hives, it dosen't usualy present a problem. I am not 100% positive here, but I have heard that nosema is present in 90% of all bee colonies (or more). >3 Apistan strips when you KNOW you have Varroa mites. Not preventative, > but reactive. No comment, because WE DON'T HAVE VARROA IN AUSTRALIA. (rub...rub....) >4 Extender pattys (vegetable shortening) or Menthol when you KNOW you > have Tracheal mites. Not preventative either. No comment...I have never had to deal with tracheal mites either. >So... I haven't done anything yet to my bees (the package they came in >had an Apistan strip which I didn't move into the hive). This fall I >plan to feed both Terramycin and Fumidil 'B'. As the hive seems very >healthy, I will not treat for any mites. I wonder....why was the apistan strip in the pakage...as you said, Apistan when you KNOW you have varroa mites....surely you would only be shipped healthy bees?? If you don't have AFB alredy (and you shouldn't) then mahaging your hives to avoid robbers, and to avoid leaving honey and wax (and products thereof) lying around where the bees can get to them, then you shouldn't pick it up... Now,.....I could be wrong in a few of my facts here, and if I am, someone please correct me. and Mike....talk to someone in your own area. Laws change from place to place, and different places also have diferent treatments. I think (and again I could be wrong) that REGISTERED Australian (or at least Victorian) beekeepers get recompensed for hives destroyed due to AFB. Adrian ( hey...I TRIED to be helpful......) From libby@igc.apc.org Sun Aug 21 21:06:14 EDT 1994 Article: 714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!sgi!cdp!igc.org!igc.apc.org!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Aug 94 14:19 PDT Subject: Re: Fennel Message-ID: <-2145067290@cdp> References: Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 9 Our community garden bees do quite a variety of herbs. The early honey has a lightly herbal (not identifieable as to which herb). The later stuff is much "fruitier" because of the local raspberries. It's all a matter of taste tho. The blackberry honey will probably be darker than the herb honey. You can separate them separately, taste each one and then decide if you want to combine them or bottle them up separately. Libby From p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz Mon Aug 22 13:26:56 EDT 1994 Article: 715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!NewsWatcher!user From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Image of Beehive in art Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 17:06:29 +1200 Organization: School of Music Auckland University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.90.127 In article , griffin@dorsai.org (Leslie_Bildner) wrote: > I have long wondered about the dome shaped 'bee-hive' that is > traditionally shown in emblems, cartoons, etc. It certainly doesn't look > like any natural bee-hive that I've ever seen. Is this a stylized > representation of some sort of artificial hive? Some versions that I've > seen appear to be woven, like a wicker basket. That would be the old European *skep*, yes woven usually from cereal straw. The straw was forced through a ring, bound in a sort of loose rope, then sewn in a roughly curved spiral shape. It made a nice warm shelter for the small colonies of English and North European bees. No frames. Very difficult to get honey out without also getting lots of brood, or destroying the whole hive. Sometimes sticks would be poked thru near the top to simplify cutting out of combs. They are illegal now in many places that require moveable frames for disease control. -- Peter Kerr neo-Luddite School of Music bodger University of Auckland chandler From wood@kepler.pss.fit.edu Mon Aug 22 13:26:57 EDT 1994 Article: 716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!zeno.fit.edu!kepler.pss.fit.edu!wood From: wood@kepler.pss.fit.edu (Matt A. Wood) Subject: evicting bees? Message-ID: Sender: news@zeno.fit.edu (USENET NEWS SYSTEM) Nntp-Posting-Host: kepler.pss.fit.edu Organization: Florida Institute of Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 14:58:20 GMT Lines: 13 I have some bees that have taken up residence in my house, and while I'd rather not kill them, I really don't want them living under my roof (one gets inside every couple of weeks). Does anyone know a local beekeeper that might like to come take them to a more loving home? Thanks for your help. -- Matt A. Wood Assistant Professor wood@kepler.pss.fit.edu Dept. of Physics and Space Sciences (407) 768-8000 (x7207) Florida Institute of Technology http://pss.fit.edu/wood.html Melbourne, FL 32901-6988 From griffith@aur.alcatel.com Tue Aug 23 23:45:05 EDT 1994 Article: 717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com!aur.alcatel.com!griffith From: griffith@aur.alcatel.com (Mike Griffith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQ - help/advice for beginner Date: 22 Aug 1994 21:09:54 GMT Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh, NC Lines: 27 Message-ID: <33b472$9v9@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurxcc.aur.alcatel.com Keywords: beekeeping, bee Is there a FAQ on beekeeping yet? I've become medically retired due to Multiple Sclerosis which has adversely effected my vision and ended my career in computers. I can see well enough for routine hive maintenance, I believe, although some things like finding the queen will no doubt be quite a pain for me, I expect. (I've spent a few days working with my brother while visiting; he has 8 or 10 hives on his farm but he doesn't know what he's doing very much with his bees yet and he lives several hundred miles away). I got interested in bees/beekeeping as a result of investigating apitherapy (bee sting therapy) as a possible treatment for MS. I've pretty well decided that beekeeping would make a very interesting hobby (I'm about to go nuts since I've had to quit work a few months ago, as reading printed matter is often very difficult for me). I was wondering if there is a FAQ on beekeeping that I could access (I can read my enlarged screen/large text computer screen pretty well) which would help me get started? Best regards and thanks, Mike -- Mike Griffith, Raleigh, NC Email: griffith@aur.alcatel.com From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Tue Aug 23 23:45:06 EDT 1994 Article: 718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> <3343fl$2a1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 23:32:43 GMT Lines: 13 >crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) writes: > >I really want to get back into keeping. There's nothing like finding a queen >the size of your pinky filling frame after frame with eggs. > Ha! But do they make honey? :) Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From Tue Aug 23 23:45:06 EDT 1994 Article: 719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!pipex!warwick!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!mac-cd06.lut.ac.uk!user From: (Steve Birchall) Subject: Angry colonies Sender: usenet@lut.ac.uk (Usenet-News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:10:16 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: mac-cd06.lut.ac.uk Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 12 Several years ago I used to work on a UK honey farm (1500 colonies). Some of the yards that we had used to be of vicious temperament - this seemed to be due to the location and not the colonies, as these were cycled round from season to season. These yards were not fun to work and full kit was required, whereas a pair of shorts and a veil (optional - the veil that is!) were all that would be required in a yard a few miles away on the same day. One way around this problem that was employed by the older hands in the 30's thro' to the 50's was to grow hemp plants on these yards and to keep dried hemp leaves for burning in the smokers to pacify the bees. Apparently, this worked well but for obvious reasons the practice was discontinued when hemp became notorious in more recent years. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Tue Aug 23 23:45:07 EDT 1994 Article: 720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Message-ID: <1994Aug23.130930.7403@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 13:09:30 GMT Lines: 56 In article <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) writes: >This is my second year of beekeeping and I'm still having trouble >locating the queen. I know what she looks like, and sometimes when >I am working a hive (I have 4) I will see her, but I can't just >go into a hive and find her whenever I want to. This fall I need >to re-queen 2 hives (captured swarms) so I need some tips on how >to find the elusive little lady. The best time to look for the queen is when there are the least number of other bees present. Ideally, this means early afternoon on a warm spring day. It should be warm both to encourage the maximum number of bees to leave the hive and to avoid chilling the brood. (You are likely to have the hive open for some time.) The number of adult bees is at a minimum in spring. Obviously now is not the best time of year but you should still try to choose a warm afternoon for the search. In spite of what people say about where to find the queen, in practice she can be almost anywhere. This is because of the disturbance you have created by opening the brood nest. If you have a double brood chamber you'll have to search both boxes. I take the first frame out and, after checking for the queen, put it to one side. This means I can keep a gap between the searched and unsearched frames as I work my way from one to the next. I lift each frame out and the first thing I do is to run my eyes around the edges to check she isn't nipping round to the back of the frame. I then scan the surface of the comb, turn the frame over, check the edges again and scan the other side. I check all frames but pay particular attention to frames with brood. The queen moves more slowly and methodically than the workers. Sometimes you can see the retinue around her but don't count on it due to the chaos you have provoked by opening the hive. What happens if you get to the last frame and haven't found the queen? You go through them a second time. If you still haven't found her then it's probably better to give up and try again another day. A variation on the above that I've sometimes found useful is to use another brood box (or even a cardboard box) to temporarily hold the frames after I have checked them. Sometimes the queen manages to get onto a 'checked' frame by crossing the gap. This method prevents her doing that. Finally, you can sieve the bees through a queen excluder. This is rather brutal but is useful as a last resort. There is also a method of requeening without finding the queen due to Nick Wallingford. If I can find a copy I'll post it here. I'm a great believer in marking queens. You've only got to go through the whole business of finding her once then. Subsequently she's so much easier to find. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Tue Aug 23 23:45:08 EDT 1994 Article: 721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!ucdmc.ucdavis.edu!dharry From: dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David J. Harry) Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta] References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> <1994Aug23.130930.7403@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 00:20:23 GMT Lines: 13 >There is also a method of requeening without finding the queen due >to Nick Wallingford. If I can find a copy I'll post it here. I read this method and it sounds very intriguing. However, you end up with the hive contents distributed into three full-depth supers. It isn't exactly clear how Mr. Wallingford consolidates this back into two boxes. I emailed him about his method, but never got a response. Has anyone tried this? If so, how do you reduce the hive to two boxes? I'm considering trying this next spring on two hives that need requeening. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Thu Aug 25 22:50:22 EDT 1994 Article: 722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Message-ID: <1994Aug24.134357.12376@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> <1994Aug23.130930.7403@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 13:43:57 GMT Lines: 43 In article dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David J. Harry) writes: > >>There is also a method of requeening without finding the queen due >>to Nick Wallingford. If I can find a copy I'll post it here. > >I read this method and it sounds very intriguing. However, you end up with >the hive contents distributed into three full-depth supers. It isn't exactly >clear how Mr. Wallingford consolidates this back into two boxes. I emailed >him about his method, but never got a response. Has anyone tried this? If >so, how do you reduce the hive to two boxes? I'm considering trying this next >spring on two hives that need requeening. Reducing the number of boxes is necessary whenever you unite colonies for whatever reason. If there are sufficient frames without brood you can simply take them away and put the rest of the frames back into one (or two) boxes. Unfortunately, life isn't usually that simple. There are normally too many frames with brood. In that case it's easier if you can find the queen - a good reason for marking her. Put the box(es) you want to retain plus the queen on the floor. Put on a queen excluder and then add the extra brood box(es) followed by any supers. Arrange for the box(es) above the queen excluder to include all the frames without brood, any old or defective frames you would like to take out of service and then make up the numbers with any other frames. Come back in about 3 weeks time and all the brood above the excluder should have emerged. You will probably find quite a lot of honey there. You can leave that untill it's capped and extract it or use the frames for making nuclei or re-enforcing weak hives. What if you can't find the queen? That's quite likely if you've been using Nick Wallingford's requeening method! Well, put all the boxes together but split them into two with a queen excluder. (You'll need another excluder under the honey supers as well.) Come back at least 4 days later and go through the boxes looking for eggs. When you find them you know which side of the excluder the queen is. You can now reorganise the hive to get the box(es) with the queen at the bottom fillowed by a queen excluder, more brood boxes and so on. Then just continue as in the first method, above. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Thu Aug 25 22:50:23 EDT 1994 Article: 723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.concert.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!rsrodger From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is bee pollen? Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:19:13 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland College Park Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <33437e$1tr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Originator: rsrodger@rac2.wam.umd.edu lapointe@netcom.com (Douglas LaPointe) writes: >First I will apologize for asking such a newbee question, but I >could not find my answer in the FAQ. >I saw bee pollen for sale in a health food store. Is this pollen >that has been harvested by honey bees? It was touted as being >extremely nutritious, "you can live off of this stuff". Is this true? The current snake oil from health nuts. Right up there with "royal jelly," "shark cartilege" and other absurdities. In promoting it, the advertisements generally pander to the same kind of "natural or mysterious" == "good" notion carried about by so many people. The typical ad for bee pollen will claim that it's a "high protein supplement .. fed to the larvae and responsible for the incredible life force that makes up the hive." Almost always it will contain some reference to un-named (because there aren't any) "trace elements" which you may be terribly deficient in (this is the general plug, though, for almost all wacko supplements). Yeah, it's protein all right. You could do just as well with protein from any other source, given how miniscule a dose it contains. You have to give them credit for the sales pitches, though. People are always looking for _something_ magical. My particular favorites, though, continue to come from the cosmetics industry, not the supplements hawkers. They're improving, though -- the claims about Chromium and "amino acid pills" are particularly amusing. -- Previous .sig deleted because some people couldn't parse "from email _received_ re: a post on comp.sys.powerpc." From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Aug 25 22:50:24 EDT 1994 Article: 724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 08:17:26 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 223 Message-ID: <1701C749CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> <1994Aug23.130930.7403@crosfield.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <1994Aug23.130930.7403@crosfield.co.uk> roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) writes: >... >There is also a method of requeening without finding the queen due >to Nick Wallingford. If I can find a copy I'll post it here. > I retrieved a copy of Nick's posting from BEE-L LOG9403 . /Aa Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 15:08:00 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: NICKW@WAIKATO.AC.NZ Subject: Requeening without finding the queen Summary: Description of requeening a hive without having to look for the old queen. Variation of an article that orginally appeared in the Beginners Notes column of the NZ Beekeeper several years ago. REQUEENING WITHOUT LOOKING FOR THE QUEEN by Nick Wallingford One of the big stumbling blocks for many beginner beekeepers is that problem of how do you actually get the queen into the hive. The fundamentals -- the colony should be queenless, it should be well fed and it should have young bees emerging. How do you actually go about doing it? Most books tell you simply to find the old queen, kill her, and introduce your young queen in the mailing cage she came in. Fine, you think. Until you go out to look through your (strong) (aggressive) (agitated) colony for the queen. And knowing that you have your valuable, newly-arrived queen sitting in the house just waiting to be installed! So this message will be mostly devoted to giving you a method of introducing new queens to your hives without ever having to look for the old queen. And like any such system, it is not foolproof. It works for me and for many other beekeepers, but if it doesn't for you, first make sure you are following directions. Then consider special problems you might have, especially as they relate to the 'golden rules' of queenless, well-fed, with plenty of young bees. The system I will describe is not new, and it was not my idea. It's a combination of all sorts of ideas. Its the sort of management technique that develops when you have a fair idea of what you want to do, but you're not sure how. Then, rather than just making up your system, you sit back and think about bee behaviour and try to work effectively within the bounds of the ways bees will *usually* respond to certain stimuli. The object of the system is to create a nucleus colony on top of the old colony. I wanted a system that could be easily used by hobbyist or commercial beekeeper alike, without ever looking for the queen. It should be versatile, both in being able to deal with colonies of differing strengths and with end results. That is, the resulting nucleus, or top, can be used to re-queen with or to start a new colony. The method should use a minimum of extra equipment, and no exotic or complicated gadgets (much as I like them...) They are based around beekeeping systems that use two full depth brood chambers for most of the year. The system introduces a third box, which is of the same depth as the brood chamber boxes. After all is complete, you'll want to work this extra box 'out', especially if you (1) use different depth boxes for storing/extracting surplus and/or (2) you are particular about using white comb only (never used for brood rearing) as honey supers. The only 'extra' piece of equipment needed is a split board, also known as a division board. To those of you who may not know what that is, it is simply a hive mat (inner cover) that has had a notch cut out of the rim on one side so as to form an entrance for a colony set above it. The notch can be anywhere from 20 to 100 mm wide; I prefer to have mine about 50 mm, making it large enough for a fairly strong unit but still small enough that the bees can protect it while the colony is still small. I have modified the inner covers on all of my hives in this manner. Just to try something new this last autumn, I turned them over on my hives in an effort to give some sort of upper ventilation. I'm not really sure how much good it did. You will also need a queen excluder. As I have one of these for each hive as a matter of course, that is no problem. One last piece of equipment needed will be another box of drawn comb. Now, after all that prelude, let's see how the system works. For the sake of beginning, let us assume that it is springtime and your colony is housed in two boxes and you want to simply re-queen it. As you'll see later, you have other options, but let's start from this basic case. When you open your hive, you'll find most of the brood and bees in the upper box. Remove three frames of brood, both sealed and unsealed, from the centre of the brood nest. Take a glance over them first to see if you can spot the queen. Now that you're starting on a method that means you don't have to find her, its amazing how often you will! Then shake all of the bees off of them, back into the colony. You needn't shake off every last one of them, so long as you are sure that the queen is not one of the bees remaining. Now, place these three frames into the middle of the box of combs you have brought with you. If there are plenty of stores in the parent colony, take two good frames of honey, shake the bees from them, and place them in the new box with the three frames of brood. If there is not much honey in the hive, you will have to feed either the parent hive, the nucleus, or in the worst case, both. Now, you can start to re-build the hive. Replace all the frames you have taken from the parent colony with empty combs, doing your best not to split the brood nest if possible. On top of this second box, place the queen excluder. On top of the excluder, place the new box containing the brood and honey that has had the bees shaken from them. Put the lid on the hive and go away. Think about what you have just done. You have lifted brood and bees above the excluder. What is going to happen to the brood up there? The pheromones it gives off will attract nurse bees that are down in the main hive up to it. Combining that with the frames of honey, the third box that you have added has quite a 'pull' to bring bees up into it. But remember, there is a queen excluder between the boxes, so there is no way the old queen can come up there. After about 20 minutes, if you go back to the hive and lift the lid, you will find that enough bees have come up into the nucleus to take care of the brood, defend the colony and take care of your new queen. All you have to do now is replace the queen excluder with the division board and presto! You have your nucleus colony ready for introducing the young queen. It is queenless (because the queen couldn't come up through the excluder). It has plenty of young bees (because they have come up to take care of the brood you lifted). And it has plenty of food (because you provided them with two frames of honey). All the conditions have been met for ideal queen introduction. You can expect that some of the bees will drift back to the main colony, but the young bees taking care of the brood will most likely remain - the new unit shouldn't drop in bee strength too drastically. This system could be used on a larger number of hives. By the time the beekeeper has worked through the yard, shaking bees from brood and honey to lift into the new box, the first hive would have been left long enough for the bees to come up. Introduce your young queen into the top and wait a week. Don't disturb them in this time if at all possible; until the new queen is established and laying fully, the bees haven't really fully accepted her. Disturb them during this period and it is possible for them to turn on her. After a week, you will have a parent colony on the bottom, only slightly reduced in strength by the bees, brood and honey you took. And you will have a nucleus colony headed by a young queen above the split board, all set for your next decision. You can either use it to re-queen the parent colony, or you could place it on its own floor to use for increasing your colony numbers. If you choose the second option, it would be best if you actually moved it several miles away to avoid the loss of field strength through drifting. If you want to re-queen the parent colony, you could now go through it, looking for the old queen, preparing to unite the two colonies by replacing the split board with a sheet of newspaper for them to chew their way through. But that would defeat the whole point, wouldn't it? We're supposed to be doing this without ever looking for a queen, aren't we? If you can go through and find the old queen, aided by any tricks/knacks you might have to quickly locate queens, so much the better. You're certain of results then. But, believe it or not, you have the odds of success heavily in your favour if you simply newspaper the two units together without looking for the old queen at all. In almost 90% of the cases, if you unite two colonies with the young queen on the top of an old queen, the young queen will be left to head the resulting hive. Why this happens is open to argument. Some beekeepers will tell you that the bees always select the best of the two queens. I doubt that. My explanation goes along the lines of the young queen's bees are confined in the top box when you replace the split board with newspaper. As well, her field bees returning cannot use their normal entrance, the slot on the split board. They then drift down to the main colony entrance. As they are foragers returning with a load, they will be accepted without causing outrageous fighting at the hive entrance. I think the old queen is then probably killed by the 'scissor' effect of bees foreign to her coming at her from both directions - down as the bees confined above the newspaper chew through and move down in the hive, and up by the foragers from the top unit coming in through the bottom entrance and finding a 'strange' queen in 'their' hive. It has certainly worked for me, and if the thought of trying to find queens is an impossible one for you, the system might be worth considering. You might just want to experiment with it to see if the time savings will repay the small amount of uncertainty involved. It's not the answer to all of a beekeepers problems, but it just gives you an idea how by thinking a little bit about bee behaviour, you can sort out your management system to make your life a little easier while doing all you can in the interests of maximum production. ------------------------------------- Nick Wallingford (East coast, N Island, New Zealand) Internet nickw@waikato.ac.nz ------------------------------------- From hhickman@ess.harris.com Thu Aug 25 22:50:25 EDT 1994 Article: 725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!hhickman.ess.harris.com!user From: hhickman@ess.harris.com (H. Harris Hickman) Subject: Re: evicting bees? Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: usenet@jabba.ess.harris.com (Usenet News Feed) Nntp-Posting-Host: hhickman.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris ESS, Palm Bay Florida References: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 17:28:52 GMT Lines: 28 In article , wood@kepler.pss.fit.edu (Matt A. Wood) wrote: > I have some bees that have taken up residence in my house, and while > I'd rather not kill them, I really don't want them living under my > roof (one gets inside every couple of weeks). Does anyone know > a local beekeeper that might like to come take them to a more loving > home? > > Thanks for your help. > > -- > Matt A. Wood Assistant Professor > wood@kepler.pss.fit.edu Dept. of Physics and Space Sciences > (407) 768-8000 (x7207) Florida Institute of Technology > http://pss.fit.edu/wood.html Melbourne, FL 32901-6988 Matt In the Melbourne phone book there is a "Mac the Bee Man", listed under BEEKEEPING. Should do the trick. By the way, I live on Edgewood, and I'm thinking about bring some bees down from NC. Would like to keep them in a local orange grove. Any suggestions? Harris Hickman HHickman@harris.com From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Thu Aug 25 22:50:26 EDT 1994 Article: 726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: evicting bees? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 20:43:28 GMT Lines: 17 In article , H. Harris Hickman wrote: >By the way, I live on Edgewood, and I'm >thinking about bring some bees down from NC. Would like to keep them in a >local orange grove. Any suggestions? Hummm, I"d make sure you get in touch with the FL dept. of Agriculture, Apiary Inspection before you move bees across state lines. It might be highly illegal to bring bees into FL now, I'm not up on the latest laws, but choosing to ignore them is pretty anti-social and illegal! :) Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From fisher@lyra.hac.com Thu Aug 25 22:50:27 EDT 1994 Article: 727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!lyra!root From: root@lyra.hac.com (Dave Fisher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is bee pollen? Date: 25 Aug 1994 00:19:41 GMT Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company Lines: 21 Message-ID: <33go2t$ejl@hacgate2.hac.com> References: <33437e$1tr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: fisher@lyra.hac.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.hac.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] R S Rodgers (rsrodger@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : lapointe@netcom.com (Douglas LaPointe) writes: : >First I will apologize for asking such a newbee question, but I : >could not find my answer in the FAQ. : >I saw bee pollen for sale in a health food store. Is this pollen : >that has been harvested by honey bees? It was touted as being : >extremely nutritious, "you can live off of this stuff". Is this true? : The current snake oil from health nuts. Right up there with "royal : jelly," "shark cartilege" and other absurdities. In promoting it, the It may or may not have virtues, but I had an alarming experience with this substance once. I ate some "raw" bee pollen about 8 years ago, and instantly lost my voice. It returned after about 30 minutes. Pretty scary, although not too serious. Dave From jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM Thu Aug 25 22:50:28 EDT 1994 Article: 728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.concert.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!snowman!jts From: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Stewart - Sun Minneapolis SE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where do I find a beekeeping suit? Date: 25 Aug 1994 20:08:11 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <33itnb$reu@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Reply-To: jts@snowman.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: snowman.central.sun.com Does anyone know where I can find a beekeeping suit - as in a suit that you wear that wasps and bumblebees can't sting through? My house sits on 2.5 acres and I've kept most of it natural with tall weeds. However, I'd like to start exposing more of the land and keep it cut to a lawn level. However, when I was using a weed wacker last spring, I stopped short of some weeds, since there was a large (8-10 inch) hole that I wanted to avoid that I assumed belonged to a skunk I had seen wondering around my land. The next few days I noticed some bumblebees hovering over the area and disappearing down into the general vicinity of these weeds. So, I'd like to avoid cutting these tall weeds and surprising a nesting group of bumblebees. I figure that a bee suit will protect me from getting stung. Thanks for your help. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sat Aug 27 11:13:03 EDT 1994 Article: 729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips on finding queen? Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 04:05:40 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au In article <32tema$bu5@jabba.cybernetics.net> crumley@jabba.cybernetics.net (Steve Crumley) writes: >This is my second year of beekeeping and I'm still having trouble >locating the queen. I know what she looks like, and sometimes when In the discussion I have seen going on along this thread, I have not seen anyone mention that it usualy pays to check all the internal walls of the hive as well... The first time I ever searched for a queen, I took out all the frames and shook them all of, and didn't find the queen anywhere. A more experienced beekeeper came and offered his help, and he did exactly the same thing, then found her crawling into a corner to hide. Once all the bees were on the wall surfaces rather than the frames, they clustered around the queen, making her that little bit more obvious. One tip here.... don't do it this way with a single....the bees may be inclined to leave if all their combs dissapear....:-> I am intending to try the "strainer" method when summer arrives down here... This requires attatching a Q.excluder to the bottom of an empty super, sitting this "strainer" on top of an empty (no frames) super, on top of the bottom box of the hive being "strained", with enough space to put in frames as they become emptied of bees. The bees are then shaken from the frames into the empty strainer, and the workers will move through the Q.excluder onto the honey and brood below. The queen, strangely enough, will not fit through the excluder.... :-> Note, the strainer should not be shaken to move the bees through, as this (apparently...I can't imagine why) upsets them. IS THERE A SECTION IN THE FAQ about this???? Adrian (again he tries to be helpful...again the results are debateable) From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sat Aug 27 11:13:04 EDT 1994 Article: 730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I'm a little annoyed... Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 04:48:20 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au Well....more than a little...In the "halls of residence" (college dorms, call them what you will) where I live, there is a hive of bees (no really?? bees???) in the roof. I offered about three months ago to remove them, but, because I am a resident here, I am not allowed on the roof....so they declined my offer. Now there are great clouds of angry bees flying around because someone (I assume one of the maintenance men) has put a bag of somthing (presumably poison) across the entrance... Now I ask you, what is more dangerous to the general community...me getting up on a flat roof with a two foot high wall all around it to remove the bees, OR a whole bunch of very angry bees, no longer only at roof level, annoying and (not yet...but it is possible) stining passers by? I mean, I have been on heaps of sloped roofs without any sort of safety "net" so I know I can do it...yet, no doubt most of the people that are potential sting victims won't know if they are allergic or not....I wonder if a law suit could be pending somewhere... :-> (yeah...right) Adrian. (not feeling very helpful at the moment...) From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sat Sep 17 22:49:18 EDT 1994 Article: 785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.test Subject: Re: test, please reply Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 05:16:49 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <34l342$3kl@ionian.scranton.com> <34piln$dml@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:785 misc.test:56851 In article <34piln$dml@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) writes: >From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) >Subject: Re: test, please reply >Date: 9 Sep 1994 11:58:47 GMT >In article <34l342$3kl@ionian.scranton.com>, dave@lydian.scranton.com (Dave D. >Cawley) says: >> >> Howdy I'm sending a test mesage, please let me know if you see this. >> >yes test message??? Where???? Sorry...try again..... From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Sep 17 22:49:19 EDT 1994 Article: 786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Summary: Pointers to Apicultural Information on the Internet Keywords: Faq, bees, beekeeping, apis, honeybee, information Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. 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Clinton (1994) usda-bee.lab Address & Info on Sending Dead bee samples (1992) formic.txt Warning on use of Formic Acid by beekeepers (1992) propolis Jerry Bronenshenk on PROPOLIS (1993) 4-H.txt 4-H joins the Internet (1993) FSHEET11 INFORMATION US BEEKEEPING HINT.101 SOURCES OF BEEKEEPING INFORMATION HINT.102 HONEY AND ITS USES HINT.103 HONEY ADULTERATION HINT.104 FLORIDA BEE INSPECTION HINT.105 FLORIDA BEARS AND BEEKEEPING HINT.106 HONEY HOUSE SANITATION HINT.107 FLORIDA HONEY LABELING REGULATIONS HINT.108 PRODUCING SECTION (COMB) HONEY HINT.109 EXHIBITING HONEY HINT.110 SAMPLE POLLINATION AGREEMENT HINT.111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS HINT.112 EXTENSION APICULTURAL VISUAL AIDS HINT.113 USING HONEY IN LARGE-QUANTITY RECIPES HINT.115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES HINT.116 CHALKBROOD RECOMMENDATIONS HINT.117 HONEY MARKETING SURVEY HINT.118 PRODUCING POLLEN HINT.119 FINANCIAL MANGEMENT FOR BEEKEEPERS HINT.120 UPWARD VENTILATION HINT.121 WAX MOTH CONTROL HINT.122 BEE STINGS AND REACTIONS HINT.123 EXTENSION APICULTURE IN FLORIDA HINT.124 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND RATIOS FOR BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.125 PRESERVING WOODENWARE IN BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.126 THE VALUE OF POLLINATION BY HONEY BEES HINT.127 THE VARROA BEE MITE HINT.128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY HINT.129 HONEY JUDGING AND STANDARDS HINT.130 USING THE HONEY REFRACTOMETER HINT.131 OBSERVATION BEE HIVES All HINT's courtesy of Malcolm T. Sanford, Cooperative Extension Service University of Florida, Gainesville, Fl e:mail mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu *beenet.com is a Information Service for Beekeepers & Friends, operated by Andy Nachbaur from the Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107, Los Banos, CA ****Thanks to Andy Nachbaur for putting this together.**** Andy would like your talents in expanding this service. Interested? Write him. E:mail Andy.Nachbaur@beeneet.com 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (V,F) *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44)222 665522 V: (+44)222 372409 (24 hrs) * Mead lovers list: mead-lovers-request@eklektix.com mead mailing list (subscribe, unsubscribe, etc) mead-lovers@eklektix.com (to send message to all current mead-lover subscribers) * The Mead Association P.O. Box 4666 Grand Junction, CO 81502 1-800-693-MEAD outside US 303-442-9111 * Mead book list: for a good list of books on mead mail: jkl2@Ra.MsState.edu ask for book list. ***** Printed Beekeeping Reference Sources ****** * For an extensive list of Australian beekeeping references e:mail adent@deakin.edu.au * For British beekeeping references and general British bee information, e:mail roe@crosfield.co.uk * Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at uconn. handles the _ Hewitt Apicultural Collection_ containing both books and periodicals. Write her for a bibliography, e:mail: wbladmo3@uconnvm.uconn.edu Or obtain the bibliography via gopher: uconn.edu /libraries/waterbury (although this wasn't working when I tried it--adamf) ***** Specialists ***** * John Mcghee, VA Dept of Agriculture Apiary Inspector wishes questions from, and has a list of resources for *beginning beekeepers*. He will focus on practical management and the first years for beekeepers. e:mail mcghee@hopper.itc.virginia.edu * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. e:mail rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. e:mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. e:mail jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. e:mail robbee@crl.com or Anonymous FTP crl.com (see previous section on FTP sites) If anyone would like to "keep" a list of beekeeping references, making it available to other beekeepers on the internet, send us your e:mail address and ideas. This will save space on the FAQ. We need experts to answer questions and curate specialized apicultural information sites on the internet. * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees!! To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) FAQ List The following list of frequently asked questions was compiled by Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) Thank you Rick for a fine job. Folks? Please answer some of these questions if you can find time. (you'll get your name in the FAQ!) Why did my beehive die? What is the difference between Honey Bees and other stinging insects? How do I recognize a honey bee? Why do Bees Sting? What Should I do if there are bees flying all around me? What is the best treatment for a bee sting? What about allergic reactions? Is it true that all bees/honeybees will more likely attack things that are tall/dark/furry-hairy/smelly (what kind of smells?) ? What is an African Bee, and how do I recognize it? Why are African Bees called "Killer Bees?" Are African Bees really dangerous? Do I have to worry about African Bees? (will African Bees be moving into my neighborhood?) How far north will the "killer Bees" get, and when? Bibliography of children's books on bees. Bibliography of beekeeping texts. Bibliography of biology (habitat, parasites, etc.) Protective gear. Finding Queens. Regulatory and research people and their addresses. AHB Progress and news. What is the National Honey Board? How do I find a local beekeeper? What is a swarm -are they dangerous Are their different races of honeybees? What are they and how do they differ? Supering. Honey Production. Queen Rearing. Social Order. Lore. Bee Deterrent? Swarm removal. Thanks, Rick rshough@tasc.com Adam adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From sid@netcom.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:23 EDT 1994 Article: 787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!sid From: sid@netcom.com (Kerwin S. Van Gelder) Subject: BEES1.GIF Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 20:18:55 GMT Lines: 3690 This is a picture of bees. This is also my first post to this group. Please let me know if this picture doesn't turn out. 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M"51@!7OA04-JT*%+=8!3-)A"N#:B@0FT"42?T@`*2I*"&R!B$8U+X@9RDB8U +H0X6I\@'/`("`#L" ` end sum -r/size 64838/227646 section (from "begin" to "end") sum -r/size 28515/165206 entire input file -- sid@netcom.com From Dave.Du.Toit@enviro.cds.alt.za Sat Sep 17 22:49:24 EDT 1994 Article: 788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ucthpx!itu1.sun.ac.za!cstatd.cstat.co.za!cds!enviro!dave.du.toit From: Dave.Du.Toit@enviro.cds.alt.za (Dave Du Toit) Date: 10 Sep 94 20:41:00 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African Bees Message-ID: <129_9409110325@cds.alt.za> X-FTN-To: Andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Organization: - Enviro-Base BBS, Tzaneen (RSA), (0152) 307-5954 Lines: 83 Hi Andy AA> My first question would be have you ever worked bee's in the US? No, born here in Africa, enjoy it here with all its problems and whatever and have never been out of this country except to a few neighboring states. AA> working with queen nucs and wanted to show their visitor. The AA> African beekeepers dressed up, cover-alls, gloves, the works and AA> approached the bees with Wayne who was in normal dress, cut off AA> shorts, T- Shirt, thongs for shoes, no veil, AA> a frame to display the brood pattern and queen, he looked up and saw AA> his visitor retreating down the path in grate haste. Well lets put it this way if he approached a site here with a few strong colonies and tried to work on them like that I doubt he would be back to tell the tale and thus maybe the reaction of the beekeepers, AA> Wayne learned from the beekeeper that in South Africa a more AA> cautious attitude is taken when working bees, and they even found it AA> desirable to do most of the work at night. Is this the norm in South AA> Africa? Well everything depends on the circumstances I do most of my work during the day except in cases where my colonies are near people and I am forced to work at night, but naturally the forced removal of bees in situations of nuisance is all done at night. Once you get use to the bees it is also possible to work on them without gloves but no protection is not advisable, when moving my colonies at night I dont actually wear any protective clothing in this case only my gloves. So as I say it all depends on circumstance, who, what and how. AA> The big question is do you have Varroa mites in South Africa? Well we have no known problem of any bee diseases in the country thus the strict laws on importation of bee products to the country, although this wise law is being threatened but thats another story. Our biggest problem is wax moth and at the moment a take over by the cape bee, as we basically have to types of bees used for commercial purposes one found in the Western and Eastern Cape area (apis mellifera capensis) and then the Apis mellifera scutellata found in the rest of the country. Summary on damage by Cape bee, If colonies of cape bee comes across those of scutellata and mix by way of drifting or during transportation, one of the cape bees takes over the role of queen (the cape bee forms a part a rare few species whereby the worker is able to lay eggs which hatch into workers and no mating has taken place) which causes the colony to dwindle and die, the take over is more prominent in times of drought or stressful conditions. A law was pasted that all colonies that had come in contact with the cape bee or showing signs of the take over must be destroyed a boundary line was made where no bees may be transported over, to keep the two races separate, but the problem is still at hand and colonies are being lost daily. AA> in South America the so called African bees are not bothered by AA> varroa mites, Strong colonies of african bees are known to be able to overcome most situations its more the keeping them strong thats the problem. AA> their genes have been identified in many areas of the west, AA> we may all soon have them and see for ourselves. They are not such a bad bee to work with, I have a nursery site about three meters from my house and at stages I can have upto 200 colonies in it and in the 14 years of working with bees here have not once had an incident whereby they just go out and sting without some sort of provocation. They tend to get angry only once they have a stores of honey and due to there bad temperament they do help to keep the amount of beekeepers down to a point whereby you can still make a living out of doing it. AA> But the bug in the rug is a billion $ almond industry that AA> believes they need 800-900,000 live hives each spring to pollinate AA> their crop. Pollination forms 50% of my business and one of our problems is convincing farmers of the vital role bees play in there orchards, but some people take a long time to learn. Dave From JEFF@wvnvm.wvnet.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:25 EDT 1994 Article: 789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms!wvnvm!jeff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in my house Message-ID: <94253.175205JEFF@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> From: Jeff Brooks Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 17:52:05 EDT Lines: 19 Hi. A colony of honeybees just moved into my house last Tuesday (Sept 7). Yes, I know that bees don't normally swarm this time of year, and no, they haven't been there all summer, they really did just move in. Can anyone here explain this? And offer some inexpensive solutions to the problem? They've been getting into the house in _large_ numbers (100+ per day). My three year old got badly stung sitting on several. Fortunately, he's not allergic, but he did get a couple of very large welts (4+ inches in diameter). It's really a crying shame to exterminate the hive, but they charge $300 around here to capture them. It's a healthy colony, too, and here in WV we've lost thousands of hives to the mite this year. What can we do? Please respond to my email address; I don't follow your group. bonni involuntary beekeeper From kjs@spaceworks.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:26 EDT 1994 Article: 790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!EU.net!uunet!spaceworks.com!news From: kjs@spaceworks.com (Kimberly Strong) Subject: Re: BEES1.GIF Message-ID: Sender: kjs@spaceworks.com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 15:22:35 GMT Organization: SpaceWorks, Inc. Lines: 6 Hi! How do I take your text and edit out the non-GIF info and then save it as a GIF file? I tried without success. Kimberly From sid@netcom.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:27 EDT 1994 Article: 791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!sid From: sid@netcom.com (Kerwin S. Van Gelder) Subject: Bees1.Gif text Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 19:54:01 GMT Lines: 10 The way to edit the GIF file (if your software needs to) is delete everything before the BEGIN line and everything after the END line. There is software out there (specifically uuencode/uudecode 5.25) that does everything for you. It is available via FTP or I could post it here if you already have software that will decode it. I do not know of any FTP sites that carry BEE type pictures that's why I posted here. -- sid@netcom.com From spenas@herbie.unl.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:28 EDT 1994 Article: 792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!herbie.unl.edu!spenas From: spenas@herbie.unl.edu (STEFAN PENAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEWBIE HELP Date: 12 Sep 1994 14:06:47 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 11 Message-ID: <351n9n$car@crcnis1.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: herbie.unl.edu Summary: bought, used supers Keywords: supers X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, I am new and on Saturday I purchased eleven used supers. My question is, what is the most effective way to clean them of any microbial contaminates which might harm the bee packages in the spring. Also is there any supply shops that anyone knows of near Lincoln NE. Thank-you in advance for any tips or suggestions. Stefan You can e-mail me at or respond here. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sat Sep 17 22:49:28 EDT 1994 Article: 793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: NEWBIE HELP Message-ID: <1994Sep12.163239.8977@crosfield.co.uk> Keywords: supers Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <351n9n$car@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 16:32:39 GMT Lines: 24 In article <351n9n$car@crcnis1.unl.edu> spenas@herbie.unl.edu (STEFAN PENAS) writes: >Hello, I am new and on Saturday I purchased eleven used supers. >My question is, what is the most effective way to clean them of any >microbial contaminates which might harm the bee packages in the >spring. In the UK the usual method is to flame the boxes. First you should scrape most of the wax and propolis off. Then you need a blowlamp. You play the flame over the surface of the wood. When you're finished the surface should be scorched to a dark brown colour. I don't know of any relaible way to sterilize the frames, let alone the wax, so you need to replace them. In some parts of the world molten paraffin wax is used. I'll leave it to someone with experience of this method to give instructions. In theory radiation can be used which should sterilize the frames and wax too but I don't know of anyone using this method in practice. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 442 230000 ext 5104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Sep 17 22:49:29 EDT 1994 Article: 794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Lazy! Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 19:51:22 GMT Lines: 7 How many lbs is 1 us gallon of honey? Adam (I don't feel like moving) -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From drews1@aol.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:30 EDT 1994 Article: 795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!dolphin.tdh.texas.gov!NewsWatcher!user From: drews1@aol.com (Drew Scherz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alkaline Hornets Date: 12 Sep 1994 20:14:12 GMT Organization: None Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.198.66.32 I had a beekeeper eradicate a bunch of what I thought were bees from the wall of my house today. He said they were alkaline hornets. I didn't get to talk to him very long (over the phone) and I was wondering just what in the heck alkaline hornets were. Any info would be appreciated. --Drew Scherz, Austin, Texas From kmdrach@delphi.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:34 EDT 1994 Article: 796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: jedediah Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extender patties Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 20:36:11 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1a.delphi.com I am a new beekeeping hobbyist and so far have only one hive. Preparing for the end of season (I am in Maine), I am getting ready to mix up an extender patty. My problem is that all the recipes I have seen posted assume I have a lot of hives and tell me how to make at least 14 patties. Does anyone know how to make just one? You know, measured in teaspoons, cups, and things like that, rather than pounds. Any thoughts on this will be a big help. Thanks in advance. Kerry Drach From DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:35 EDT 1994 Article: 797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!deb141 Organization: Penn State University Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 21:38:46 EDT From: The Master of Darkness Message-ID: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OUCH!!! Lines: 16 Sitting here with a slight pain throbbing in the back of my thigh, I am glad I have found a little place I can whine. I was peacefully coming home from the mall today. Driving through town I make a left turn and *POW* all of a sudden an intense pain starts to course through my leg. It was all I could do to continue the half mile home without grabbing my crotch and screaming in agony (which would have been very humorous to all the pedestrians I'm sure "Hey look! That dude's playing with himself!") I get home, park my truck and leap out. Looking back at my seat I see, as I had suspected (and hoped), a BEE laying there. Once the 170lbs that was on top of him moved, he had the gall to get up and fly! Needless to say, I was quite upset that the little bugger had survived me sitting on him, and even more upset that he was able to get away without me squashing him! It looked to me to be a honey bee, please tell me that those little bastards die after stinging someone...allow me some small amount of satisfaction that tonight, he lies dead somewhere. I can say I'm glad, but not very, the pain was caused by a bee and not the result of some mysterious physical ailment. From mcft10@calvacom.fr Sat Sep 17 22:49:35 EDT 1994 Article: 798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!mcft10-ppp.calvacom.fr!mcft10 From: Maurice Clerc Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.test Subject: Re: test, please reply Date: 13 Sep 1994 09:02:51 GMT Organization: FRANCE TELECOM Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <353prr$8gf@midgard.calvacom.fr> References: <34l342$3kl@ionian.scranton.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mcft10-ppp.calvacom.fr X-Newsreader: Nuntius Version 1.2 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 11:04:30 GMT Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:798 misc.test:57120 Date: 7 Sep 1994 19:08:50 GMT In article <34l342$3kl@ionian.scranton.com> Dave D. Cawley, dave@lydian.scranton.com writes: > Howdy I'm sending a test mesage, please let me know if you see this. I saw it ! Friendly. Maurice Clerc ( Annecy, France ) \| = |||O ===== /| ------- ----------- |/ ----------- O||| \| ----------- |\ |||O ----###---- /| /__________/ From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:36 EDT 1994 Article: 799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEWBIE HELP Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:22:49 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1703083EBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <351n9n$car@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1994Sep12.163239.8977@crosfield.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Keywords: supers In article <1994Sep12.163239.8977@crosfield.co.uk> roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) writes: >... >In theory radiation can be used which should sterilize the frames >and wax too but I don't know of anyone using this method in practice. > Radiation has been proven to be highly effective for the treatment of AFB, killing virtually all viable spores, documented in a recent issue of American Bee Journal. The hard part is finding a facility to nuke your equipment. Otherwise, as Malcolm stated, treat with fire. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:37 EDT 1994 Article: 800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy! Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 09:29:05 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <170308568S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) writes: > > How many lbs is 1 us gallon of honey? >Adam >(I don't feel like moving) >-- >============================================================================ > Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >=============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= 3 lbs per quart, 12 lbs per gallon From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:38 EDT 1994 Article: 801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:26:15 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: usa Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Message-ID: References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 24 In article <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu>, The Master of Darkness wrote: > Looking back at my seat I see, as I had suspected (and > hoped), a BEE laying there. Once the 170lbs that was on top of him moved, > he had the gall to get up and fly! Needless to say, I was quite upset that > the little bugger had survived me sitting on him, and even more upset that > he was able to get away without me squashing him! It looked to me to be a > honey bee, please tell me that those little bastards die after stinging > someone...allow me some small amount of satisfaction that tonight, he lies > dead somewhere. Yeah, well if you sat on _me_ and I had a stinger... :-) Yes, a honeybee will leave stinger, poison sac, and other vital parts of his anatomy imbedded in your skin, pumping venom into you long after the bee has departed (both flown away and croaked). Yellow jackets, on the other hand, make a nice, clean sting, which they can repeat at will, and fly away to sting another day. The yellow jackets look quite bee-like, even though they're actually a variety of hornet, and they give honeybees a bad name amongst the uninitiated. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From aherlihy@post.its.mcw.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:39 EDT 1994 Article: 802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!post.its.mcw.edu!not-for-mail From: aherlihy@post.its.mcw.edu (Amy Herlihy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: meeting Date: 13 Sep 1994 08:40:24 -0500 Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin; Milwaukee Wisconsin Lines: 4 Message-ID: <354a48$pv@post.its.mcw.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Help! Is there anyone out there in the Milwaukee area? I was notified of a Milwaukee area bee-keepers meeting & have since lost the postcard that told me the time and place. I noted down the date (today) but nothing else. If you've got the info - I'd love to have it - please send me email. From pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:39 EDT 1994 Article: 803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Date: 13 Sep 1994 21:46:02 GMT Organization: Northwestern University Medical School Lines: 16 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article , >Yeah, well if you sat on _me_ and I had a stinger... :-) Yes, a honeybee >will leave stinger, poison sac, and other vital parts of his anatomy ^^^ That should be "her" 8) I don't know what's worse...the pain of a worker's sting or the smell of a drone's stink. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu), Second Year Medical Student Northwestern University Medical School | Ward Box 213, 303 E. Chicago Ave. Medical Scientist Training Program | Chicago, IL 60611 "Rubor, Tumor, Calor, Dolor" -Celsus (describing my rxn to beestings) From Herd@macgwi.ge.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:40 EDT 1994 Article: 804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!news.crd.ge.com!herd.crd.ge.com!user From: Herd@macgwi.ge.com (Kenneth G. Herd) Subject: Sweet/sour odors from hive Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: usenet@crdnns.crd.ge.com (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: herd.crd.ge.com Organization: GE-CRD Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 17:42:36 GMT Lines: 13 I have noticed a strong sweet/sour odor emanating from two of my hives. I have inspected the brood in both hives and it looks clean and healthy, with no evidence of AFB or EFB, and lots of young active bees. Both queens are less than 1 year old, and both hives were started from 5 frame nucs in May. I have taken off 30-40 lbs of honey off each hive, and the extracted honey was light and delicious. I have also noticed this sweet/sour odor, to a lessor degree, in some of the hives at my other apiary, located 25 miles away. Any ideas as to what's causing the odor? Downwind it is easily detected twenty feet from the hive. Could it be a particular type of nectar that's flowing in the Northeast now? If so, why only a few hives out of 14 having the odor? From jnmeade@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:41 EDT 1994 Article: 805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: jnmeade@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (James Meade) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Magazine Needs Info Date: 13 Sep 1994 21:26:43 -0500 Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 109 Distribution: world Message-ID: <355n13$52l6@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Summary: magazine needs input for article Keywords: successful farming magazine bees article -- Jim - Farmer - Iowa City, IA, From jnmeade@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:42 EDT 1994 Article: 806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From: jnmeade@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (James Meade) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magazine Needs Info Date: 13 Sep 1994 23:19:36 -0500 Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <355tko$2emj@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> References: <355n13$52l6@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Keywords: successful farming magazine bees article John Walters, conservation editor, Successful Farming magazine, is looking for information and real-life examples of how recent government changes in beekeeping programs have affected the industry and associated industries. For example, what is the impact on crop pollination? Sorry, I tried and failed to upload a text file of his main questions, which were extensive. Failing my file upload, perhpas we can start a thread which will let John introduce his questions and get your responses. Successful Farming is a general farm magazine of 500,000 circulation. If you are willing to allow your name to be used in the article, please so indicate. If you prefer not, your anonomymity will be respected. -- Jim - Farmer - Iowa City, IA, From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:43 EDT 1994 Article: 807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Date: 14 Sep 1994 15:19:24 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <35749s$ut@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com In article <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) writes: > I don't know what's worse...the pain of a worker's sting or the smell of a > drone's stink. What? You can smell drones? -- Harold McCabe ========================================================================== Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford Automotive Components hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Dearborn, MI USA I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sat Sep 17 22:49:43 EDT 1994 Article: 808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy! Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:13:13 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 8 Message-ID: <356st9$6ll@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article , Adam Finkelstein wrote: ... I don't know, but I'd like to know how many litres is 3lb (imp) of honey. And I can't move either. -Norman From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:44 EDT 1994 Article: 809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queens Date: 14 Sep 1994 19:26:31 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 15 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <357ip7$5mt@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com Keywords: queens, mating After ordering queens this spring and discovering the hives turned out to be more ill tempered than I expected -- I began to wonder how those who raise queens can guarantee that they haven't mated with drones with undesirable characteristics. I understand that artificial insemination can be/is used, but how can one guarantee that a queen has not taken an unauthorized flight and mated with an undesirable drone? -- Harold McCabe ========================================================================== Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford Automotive Components hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Dearborn, MI USA I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sat Sep 17 22:49:45 EDT 1994 Article: 810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!inmos-root!fulcrum!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees1.Gif text Date: 14 Sep 1994 16:25:59 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35786n$i84@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , sid@netcom.com (Kerwin S. Van Gelder) says: > >The way to edit the GIF file (if your software needs to) is delete >everything before the BEGIN line and everything after the END line. There >is software out there (specifically uuencode/uudecode 5.25) that does >everything for you. It is available via FTP or I could post it here if you >already have software that will decode it. > >I do not know of any FTP sites that carry BEE type pictures that's why I >posted here. >-- > sid@netcom.com Is uudecode available for the PC. I have a gif translator programme but as yet I can't decode it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:46 EDT 1994 Article: 811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Date: 14 Sep 1994 20:51:09 GMT Organization: Northwestern University Medical School Lines: 16 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <357nnt$stq@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu> <35749s$ut@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <35749s$ut@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, H M McCabe (Harold) wrote: >> I don't know what's worse...the pain of a worker's sting or the smell of a >> drone's stink. > >What? You can smell drones? It's all in the feces, man. It's all in the feces. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu), Second-Year Medical Student Northwestern University Medical School | Ward Box 213, 303 E. Chicago Ave. Medical Scientist Training Program | Chicago, IL 60611 "Rubor, Tumor, Calor, Dolor" -Celsus (describing my rxn to beestings) From rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Sat Sep 17 22:49:47 EDT 1994 Article: 812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees1.Gif text Date: 14 Sep 1994 21:47:41 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <357r1t$k5s@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <35786n$i84@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] John E. Fox (altabios@bham.ac.uk) wrote: : Is uudecode available for the PC. I have a gif translator programme but as yet : I can't decode it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Yes John, there are a number of pc based uudecoders/encoders. They are available from a number of sources ... I am familiar with two that are found on Compuserve (and America On Line, but you are in the UK). I am sure that they or others are available via FTP. If you could tell me what you can access, I could locate a good one for you. One of the best (and free) is wncode.zip ... it is available from many sources. regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov From 73172.100@CompuServe.COM Sat Sep 17 22:49:48 EDT 1994 Article: 813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: Dean Philpot <73172.100@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee Help Date: 15 Sep 1994 02:10:03 GMT Organization: MARFALITE INDUSTRIES Lines: 12 Message-ID: <358adr$imv$2@mhade.inhouse.compuserve.com> Bees communicate and sting with formic acid. Natural Zeolite has a chemical attraction to formic acid. Use zeolite need the hive and they loose the sting . Killer Bees swarm to Formic Acid. Keep zeolite near or in your hive and no problems with swarming. For more general info on Zeolites send me e-mail. I have tested with fire ants , use zeolites on the bed and no sting. -- DON'T LET ANYBODY STEAL YOUR DREAMS FAX 713/360-5497 From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:48 EDT 1994 Article: 814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!gmi!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Real Killer Bees Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 17:56:21 GMT Lines: 48 BUZZ-ERK! BEES INVADE PENTAGON COMPUTER-& ALMOST START WORLD WAR III By Charles George/ Correspondent The United States has been pushed to the brink of nuclear war three times in the past month- thanks to beehives inside high- security Pentagon computers! The bees have caused malfunctions in the computers that have sent U.S. troops scurrying all over the globe, ordered missiles transported back and forth across Europe and nearly caused WWIII. "When we had the first major malfunction, engineers went inside the banks of computers and tried to clear out the hives," one Pentagon insider said. "But apparently there were more bees inside and quite frankly we're still not sure we've gotten them all." "We're afraid the bees entered through an air-conditioning vent and have been breeding inside the computer for several months. And it's possible more bees could be entering every day." The gigantic master computers at the Pentagon control the movements of American troops and military arms all over the world. During the most serious malfunction last week nuclear weapons came within a nerve frying 57 seconds of being launched. "The computers are designed to guard against human error and indecision in time of emergency." "They are preset to respond to very specific conditions around the world," revealed the insider, who asked to remain anonymous. "There are built in safe-guards against malfunctions but with computers there's always the possibility something can go wrong." "And with an outside influence like these bees on the computer hardware, anything can happen." Alert Pentagon officials were able to abort the nuclear-weapon launches each time the computers ordered them but in other cases some false orders were carried out. The most bizarre incident came when thosands of troops stationed in Europe went on red alert and prepared to storm into Hungary to avert an Iraqi invasion. "Of course, there was no such invasion but the computer reacted as if there were," the secret source said. "The computer made the orders and the first steps for defensive invasion were carried out." In other instances a ship was ordered to sail 1,500 miles from its correct position in the Pacific Ocean and hundreds of troops at one East Coast base were wrongly promoted to the rank of sergeant. "We have come to depend on these computers but they are far from being foolproof," he said. "Their mistakes have come very close to getting us in serious trouble." >From the Weekly World News From rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Sat Sep 17 22:49:49 EDT 1994 Article: 815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!sookit!rspear From: rspear@sookit (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Real Killer Bees Date: 15 Sep 1994 20:28:59 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 10 Distribution: na Message-ID: <35aaqb$asg@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> References: Reply-To: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: sookit.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] > "We're afraid the bees entered through an air-conditioning vent and > have been breeding inside the computer for several months ... " ^^^^^^^^ Not exactly the way that I think bees reproduce ... bad choice of words or ignorance on the part of the reporter, eh? regards, richard rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov From hlf@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU Sat Sep 17 22:49:50 EDT 1994 Article: 816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!hlf From: hlf@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (H L. Falls) Subject: Re: Real Killer Bees Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <35aaqb$asg@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:58:06 GMT Lines: 21 In article <35aaqb$asg@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov>, Richard Spear wrote: >> "We're afraid the bees entered through an air-conditioning vent and >> have been breeding inside the computer for several months ... " > ^^^^^^^^ >Not exactly the way that I think bees reproduce ... bad choice of words or >ignorance on the part of the reporter, eh? > >regards, richard > >rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov > Not to mention that while some of the early vaccuum tube computers did have to be literally "de-bugged" from time to time, modern chips would probably short out completely and crash the system rather than cause the errors described (caveat -- I'm not a hardware expert, I could be wrong on this). Of course with a Weekly World News byline, any resemblance to actual events is not only coincidental, it's contrary to the paper's reporting policy! :-) --Landon Falls / hlf@virginia.edu -- Speaking for, and only for, myself. From jcooper@infinet.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:51 EDT 1994 Article: 817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Date: 17 Sep 1994 04:14:10 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 31 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <35dqei$l1k@rigel.infinet.com> References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : I don't know what's worse...the pain of a worker's sting or the smell of a : drone's stink. Paul, Please take this as a legitimate request for information and not as one of the four-alarm flames that so often seem to be aimed in your direction. I've kept bees for about twenty years. For a couple of those years-- in a massive demonstration of stupidity--I dealt with 40 hives. Having never made any specific effort to smell drones, I had no idea what they smell like. Could you further my education on this point? If you've ever been stung on or near your nose, you know that the workers' alarm scent smells like banana oil. The locating scent, detectable when a swarm is moving into a new hive, smells like rose geraniums. I do not know if the human nose is senses the queen's "substance." Do you? Joe ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From jfulker@uswnvg.com Sat Sep 17 22:49:51 EDT 1994 Article: 818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!uswnvg!jfulker From: jfulker@uswnvg.com (John Fulkerson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Real Killer Bees Message-ID: <34177@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> Date: 16 Sep 94 23:18:45 GMT References: <35aaqb$asg@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@uswnvg.uswnvg.com Distribution: na Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Richard Spear (rspear@sookit) wrote: : > "We're afraid the bees entered through an air-conditioning vent and : > have been breeding inside the computer for several months ... " : ^^^^^^^^ : Not exactly the way that I think bees reproduce ... bad choice of words or : ignorance on the part of the reporter, eh? : regards, richard When you look at the source, _Weekly World News_, you know there may be entertainment value, but not much substance. Of course, you could describe "BS" as a substance, I guess. Not a spokesperson nor opinion-spouter for my employer. : rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov From pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu Sat Sep 17 22:49:52 EDT 1994 Article: 819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!pccheng From: pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Paul C. Cheng) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Date: 18 Sep 1994 01:20:41 GMT Organization: Northwestern University Medical School Lines: 31 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <35g4l9$k8a@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <94255.213846DEB141@psuvm.psu.edu> <3556iq$52b@news.acns.nwu.edu> <35dqei$l1k@rigel.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu In article <35dqei$l1k@rigel.infinet.com>, Joseph Cooper wrote: >: I don't know what's worse...the pain of a worker's sting or the smell of a >: drone's stink. > >Please take this as a legitimate request for information and not as one of >the four-alarm flames that so often seem to be aimed in your direction. I don't know when I have received such notoriety. My postings to this group have generally been in areas in which I am knowledgeable, and I have tried to make the information as accurate as possible. >Having never made any specific effort to smell drones, I had no idea what >they smell like. Could you further my education on this point? I apologize to you and the rest of the readers for making such an ambiguous statement. I am sure all people who have manipulated drones have smelled their feces. Personally, I've had the pleasure of smelling drone feces when collecting semen for my graduate research. For those of you who have not, I urge you to rush to your nearest beekeeper/beehive for a sample. As for the other questions, I am sure there are others who are much more qualified than I am to answer questions on pheromones. Regards, Paul -- Paul C. Cheng (pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu), Second-Year Medical Student Northwestern University Medical School | Ward Box 213, 303 E. Chicago Ave. Medical Scientist Training Program | Chicago, IL 60611 "Rubor, Tumor, Calor, Dolor" -Celsus (describing my rxn to beestings) From tyr@io.com Sat Sep 24 00:15:06 EDT 1994 Article: 820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!illuminati.io.com!tyr From: tyr@io.com (tyr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Alkaline Hornets Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:24:21 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <35j095$frk@illuminati.io.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pentagon.io.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Drew Scherz (drews1@aol.com) wrote: : I had a beekeeper eradicate a bunch of what I thought were bees from the : wall of my house today. He said they were alkaline hornets. I didn't get : to talk to him very long (over the phone) and I was wondering just what in : the heck alkaline hornets were. Any info would be appreciated. : --Drew Scherz, : Austin, Texas There is a ground dwelling (usually) bee called an alkalai bee that lives in the western states, they have been used as commercial pollinators in agriculture there. Sometimes the distinction blurs between bees and hornets in localities. We've got a local fly here on the west coast that requires a second look to make sure it's not a honeybee, makes an interesting mimic, it lacks the pollen hairs on the legs and the stinger but the rest is the same. regards Dave From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sat Sep 24 00:15:07 EDT 1994 Article: 821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: double colony -- advice wanted Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:36:10 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 7 Message-ID: <35k0jq$jbe@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 Some time ago someone described a system of beekeeping where there are two queens per hive. Is there any chance of re-posting the info. Thanks in advance John Fox From nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Sep 24 00:15:07 EDT 1994 Article: 822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!nunnun From: nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Norman Lunnun") Subject: Re Double Brood Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 21:58:32 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 6 John, I was taling to friend this summer about 2 queens to a hive. 1 brood box on the bottom and 1 on top with supers in between and queen excluders the top one being under the brood chamber. I understand that this creates a quite a hive wether it is practical I will no next season after I give it a try. Norman. Uttoxeter From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sat Sep 24 00:15:08 EDT 1994 Article: 823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:56:07 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Killer Bee Help Message-ID: References: <358adr$imv$2@mhade.inhouse.compuserve.com> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 24 In article <358adr$imv$2@mhade.inhouse.compuserve.com>, Dean Philpot <73172.100@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Bees communicate and sting with formic acid. Natural Zeolite has > a chemical attraction to formic acid. Use zeolite need the hive > and they loose the sting . Killer Bees swarm to Formic Acid. Keep > zeolite near or in your hive and no problems with swarming. For > more general info on Zeolites send me e-mail. > > I have tested with fire ants , use zeolites on the bed and no > sting. Hmmm. Zeolites are adsorbents (and ion exchangers, but that's not quite relevant here). So to act, they'd have to contact all the places the formic acid could be in/on/around the hive. That is, the zeolites would not suck many vapors of formic acid out of the air--their affinity for formic acid isn't _that_ great. Apparently you'd have to dust the area extensively with ground zeolite material to get this effect. 'Course, anything that works on those damned fire ants has got to have some merit! I sure miss Myrex. :-) -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From kmdrach@delphi.com Sat Sep 24 00:15:09 EDT 1994 Article: 824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: jedediah Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting -- advice needed Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:05:45 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com I am a new hobbyist beekeeper with one hive. I started fairly late in the season, but the little ladies have nevertheless produced one super _full_ of dark wildflower honey. Here's my problem: I am not equipped for processing the honey, though I need to harvest it right away in order to get fall preventive medications into the hive. (I live in Maine; it's getting a lot cooler.) I have a friend with an extractor that I should be able to use. Can anyone give me _SIMPLE_ instructions regarding how to proceed with the extraction and bottling process? Remember, I have no experience with this, but I am a quick learner. What are the basic steps th at I cannot skip over? Next year I'll be better prepared. Thanks for any help anyone can give me... Kerry Drach Portland, Maine From moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu Sat Sep 24 00:15:09 EDT 1994 Article: 825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re Double Brood Date: 21 Sep 1994 20:03:20 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <35q3i8$or5@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Norman Lunnun (nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: > John, I was taling to friend this summer about 2 queens to a hive. > 1 brood box on the bottom and 1 on top with supers in between and queen > excluders the top one being under the brood chamber. > I understand that this creates a quite a hive wether it is practical I > will no next season after I give it a try. > Norman. Uttoxeter Norman, I have used this method, although a little differently by putting on the bottom a box of brood, then a box of honey, then another box of brood, with empty supers above that. While this is possible, and does create a powerhouse of a hive, it is impractical in the fact that there is only so much room. It makes more sense to just make another hive and have to healthy normal hives than to make one single hive with two queens. However, maybe you disagree, let me know. From voting@qualcomm.com Sat Sep 24 00:15:10 EDT 1994 Article: 826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bionet.biology.tropical,bionet.general,rec.backcountry,rec.birds,rec.gardens,rec.photo,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.ethology,sci.bio.evolution Subject: CFV: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Sep 1994 18:19:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 161 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 15 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:4852 news.groups:93300 bionet.biology.tropical:189 bionet.general:10299 rec.backcountry:54940 rec.birds:12558 rec.gardens:44366 rec.photo:93682 sci.agriculture:1702 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:826 sci.bio:18050 sci.bio.ecology:5849 sci.bio.ethology:1054 sci.bio.evolution:1982 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Newsgroups line: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Lepidoptera (Butterflies & Moths). 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From nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Sep 24 00:15:11 EDT 1994 Article: 827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!nunnun From: nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Norman Lunnun") Subject: Hive Size Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:41:57 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 5 Does everyone use National Type Hives ie 11 frames and has anyone had anything to do with larger hives? I have heard of commercial ventures that use hives that have to be moved with Hiab type lorry mounted cranes. Norman Lunnun Doveridge,Derbyshire.UK. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Sep 24 00:15:11 EDT 1994 Article: 828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: double colony -- advice wanted Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 08:37:20 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 115 Message-ID: <170397944S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <35k0jq$jbe@sun4.bham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <35k0jq$jbe@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) writes: >Some time ago someone described a system of beekeeping where >there are two queens per hive. Is there any chance of re-posting the info. > >Thanks in advance > >John Fox I'm the guy, here's the info with much deleted from the discussion that took place back in June '94: >>... >>Now while all this was going on, I captured a mid sized swarm of bees >>that I put into a shallow super brood chamber with two medium >>(Illinois) supers on top. Both this captured swarm and the shook >>swarm are progressing, but not as quickly as the honeyflow. I am >>considering uniting the captured swarm with the shook swarm and >>operating it as a two queen hive. I would do this by placing a queen >>excluder and a sheet of newspaper between both shallow brood chambers >>and place the round section supers above both. >> >>Anyone care to comment on what I'm considering? Does this sound like an >>idea with merit or does this sound like total folly? Anyone have any >>experience running a two queen colony? If I go for this, I'll do it >>this Saturday, so send those comments quickly! To which Rick Hough, a beekeeper from Hamilton, MA, USA (NE of Boston) (rshough@tasc.com) replied: >Haven't done a 2-Q colony myself, but a keeper in my club does it all >the time, and has instructed the group on his method. I'll summarize >for you. He layers his equipment as follows: >---inner/outer covers----- >Honey supers (lots - they fill them fast with this arrangement!!) >----optional Q-excluder - to keep brood out of supers----- >Deep hive body with Q #1, brood, etc. >-----Required Q-excluder------ >Deep hive body - no Queen!! Just honey storage, and space for bees >-----Required Q-excluder------ >Deep hive body with Q #2, brood, etc. >------bottom board, etc. -------- > >Things to think about: 2 Q-excluders needed, with some separation, >as the queens can fight through a single excluder - same reason >that "double screens" are used instead of single. > >Also, providing an upper entrance for the bees is beneficial - >lots less work for the bees to get the nectar to the supers >that way. > >Combining with newspaper is appropriate - you want to >give the scents of the two hives a chance to combine >before they have full access to one another. > >This combination is often done starting with two full-strength >colonies, and crowding them into the resulting three deeps >plus supers. Result is LOTS of bees, and excellent honey >storage into the supers. Need to keep on top of the supers >(so to speak) as they get filled very rapidly - you may need >to pull some off, and add more as the season progresses. > >I'm not sure how he over-winters his colonies. > >The story he tells about why he keeps his bees this way >is that his wife said he could have a maximum of seven hives. >What she didn't say was how tall they could be!!! So, now >he has seven (tall) stacks of boxes, 14 Queens, lots of honey, and >a happy wife! Sounds good to me! >.... More discussion took place: >... > The source I used for the two queen management was "The Hive and >the Honeybee" (Dadant Publications, 1993 edition, don't know the >pages). The procedures call for splitting a strong hive, gradually >introducing the second queen and ease the splits back together... > > The reference states that this may or may not be productive >depending on location. The reference states that the procedure is >well suited to areas with short, intense honey flows (such as those >experienced in the Northeast US - where I'm located), but is not worth >the bother for beekeepers in the southern US. I don't recognize your >location from your address, but the heather reference brings England >or Scottland to mind. Also, the procedures call for removing >the queen excluders in the fall to let the queens 'decide' who the >surviving monarch will be for the winter months. > >The two queen method is intriguing, may yield impressive harvests, >but is not well suited for all areas. For the best information, >go right to the source ("The Hive and the Honeybee"). And yet more discussion: > The benefit of operating a hive with two queens is that you have >two queens producing workers within the same hive, and a very >populous hive will produce more honey. Experiments have shown that >doubling the number of bees in a hive can more than double the honey >production. A 'normal' hive may fill one or two supers, whereas a >two queen hive could fill four to six supers. > > The down side is that running a two queen set up requires a lot >more work: hive manipulations, setting up the hive in the first place, >having enough honey supers ready, and adding supers to the colony >requires a lot more unstacking and restacking. > For the full discussion, retrieve the BEE-L LOG9406 and BEE-L LOG9407 by sending mail to LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu with two lines in the body of the mail that read: GET BEE-L LOG9406 GET BEE-L LOG9407 Better yet, go to a library and read up on two queen management techniques in "The Hive and the Honeybee". Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From nupamvr@peele.bas.ncsu.edu Sat Sep 24 00:15:12 EDT 1994 Article: 829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!rulisonm.bas.ncsu.edu!nupamvr From: nupamvr@peele.bas.ncsu.edu (Michael v.E. Rulison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:08:17 Organization: Univ. Planning & Analysis, N.C. State University Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rulisonm.bas.ncsu.edu Keywords: honey, extracting X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article jedediah writes: >From: jedediah >Subject: extracting -- advice needed >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:05:45 -0500 > Can >anyone give me _SIMPLE_ instructions regarding how to proceed with the >extraction and bottling process? Remember, I have no experience with this, but >I am a quick learner. What are the basic steps th > at I cannot skip over? Next >year I'll be better prepared. Thanks for any help anyone can give me... > >Kerry Drach >Portland, Maine IMHO: 1. get extractor, capping knife, receiving bucket clean and in place. (I cover floor with newpaper as an aid to minimizing cleanup.) 2. remove super from hive. 3. have second empty super available, use bee brush to remove as many bees as possible from each frame and put de-bee'd frames in empty super, covering with cloth while working on next frame. Do this close to hive so that brushed bees can get back to hive. 4. move super to extracting venue. Left over bees will mostly fly to windows (light) and have not been much of a problem for me. uncap both size of one frame, place in extractor, repeat until extractor full (2, 3, 4 frames depending on model). Balance frames as much as possible: light opposite light, heavy opposite heavy). 5. spin extractor, slower at start, faster after 2-4 minutes as frame become lighter. Also slower speeds on first side, faster when frames are reversed to do second side. 6. repeat until all frames extracted, or honey needs to be removed from extractor to allow continuation. 7. remove honey from extractor: Nylon mesh is one method of getting pretty clean honey on one pass. I use new panty hose held on bucket with clothespins and with legs brought snugly to the outside and clipped so that they cannot be pulled back in by weight of honey. 8. cover honey buckey reasonably tightly ASAP to minimize water pickup by honey. weigh bucket before and after filling to get net product. 9. decant honey into final containers. 10. clean all equipment with warm water. use soap only if necessary and then rinse thoroughly. I do not submerse capping knife, but tend to wipe clean while warm with paper or clean rag. ---- All this from an amateur. Other will have difference opinions and knowledge. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sat Sep 24 11:27:55 EDT 1994 Article: 830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Hive Size Message-ID: <1994Sep23.124208.5700@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:42:08 GMT Lines: 31 In article nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Norman Lunnun") writes: >Does everyone use National Type Hives ie 11 frames and has anyone had >anything to do with larger hives? The National hive is more or less unheard of outside the UK. (I think it's used in Ireland as well.) Worldwide, the most common is the Langstroth. There are other designs such as the Dadent as well. I don't think any other country has such a lack of standardisation as the UK where, as well as the three designs above, Commercial, Smith and WBC designs are in use! I don't have time to go into the advantages and disadvantages of each of the designs in this reply. It's not clear why you are interested in larger hives but if you are using Nationals now and want a larger brood space without going to double brood boxes you might like to consider the Commercial hive. It has more or less the same dimensions and, like the National, it uses bottom bee space. This means that you can keep your old roofs, floors, queen excludes and supers. > I have heard of commercial ventures >that use hives that have to be moved with Hiab type lorry mounted cranes. Even a National with three full supers is too heavy for me to lift and I usually end up with five or six supers on each hive at the end of the season. Migratory beekeepers often put four hives on a pallet. That's why they need some form of mechanical handling. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Sep 24 11:27:56 EDT 1994 Article: 831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Observation Hive (fwd) Message-ID: Followup-To: bkaugust@facstaff.wisc.edu Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:32:40 GMT Lines: 14 From: Ben August Subject: observation hive I just got an "Observation Hive" that holds two 8" frames, and I had a few questions regarding its use. Does one simply "borrow" a couple of frames >from an existing hive and place them in the observation hive for a short time? Should the queen be included on these frames, and if so, how long can I leave the hive that the frames were borrowed from go without the queen? bkaugust@facstaff.wisc.edu -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From prism@nbnet.nb.ca Sat Oct 1 13:01:12 EDT 1994 Article: 832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!dynam26.nbnet.nb.ca!user From: prism@nbnet.nb.ca (Highlander) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Sep 1994 16:59:59 GMT Organization: NB*Net Lines: 67 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dynam26.nbnet.nb.ca In article , nupamvr@peele.bas.ncsu.edu (Michael v.E. Rulison) wrote: > > In article jedediah writes: > >From: jedediah > >Subject: extracting -- advice needed > >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 10:05:45 -0500 > > > Can > >anyone give me _SIMPLE_ instructions regarding how to proceed with the > >extraction and bottling process? Remember, I have no experience with this, but > >I am a quick learner. What are the basic steps th > > at I cannot skip over? Next > >year I'll be better prepared. Thanks for any help anyone can give me... > > > >Kerry Drach > >Portland, Maine > > IMHO: > 1. get extractor, capping knife, receiving bucket clean and in place. (I cover > floor with newpaper as an aid to minimizing cleanup.) > > 2. remove super from hive. > 3. have second empty super available, use bee brush to remove as many bees as > possible from each frame and put de-bee'd frames in empty super, covering with > cloth while working on next frame. Do this close to hive so that brushed bees > can get back to hive. > > 4. move super to extracting venue. Left over bees will mostly fly to windows > (light) and have not been much of a problem for me. uncap both size of one > frame, place in extractor, repeat until extractor full (2, 3, 4 frames > depending on model). Balance frames as much as possible: light opposite light, > heavy opposite heavy). > > 5. spin extractor, slower at start, faster after 2-4 minutes as frame become > lighter. Also slower speeds on first side, faster when frames are reversed to > do second side. > > 6. repeat until all frames extracted, or honey needs to be removed from > extractor to allow continuation. > > 7. remove honey from extractor: Nylon mesh is one method of getting pretty > clean honey on one pass. I use new panty hose held on bucket with clothespins > and with legs brought snugly to the outside and clipped so that they cannot be > pulled back in by weight of honey. > > 8. cover honey buckey reasonably tightly ASAP to minimize water pickup by > honey. weigh bucket before and after filling to get net product. > > 9. decant honey into final containers. > > 10. clean all equipment with warm water. use soap only if necessary and then > rinse thoroughly. I do not submerse capping knife, but tend to wipe clean > while warm with paper or clean rag. > > ---- All this from an amateur. Other will have difference opinions and > knowledge. it works for me! FROM another amateur...don't forget to put the emptied frames near the hives for the bees to lick clean before storing them....(and don't throw those those cappings away!-use 'em.;-) take heart, I'm further north than you and extracted late last year and am extracting now too! My heart's in the highlands, my heart is not here. My heart's in the highlands, chasing the deer. (R. Burns) From jlks@u.washington.edu Sat Oct 1 13:01:13 EDT 1994 Article: 833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!sisters.cs.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too late for fresh supers? Date: 26 Sep 1994 01:23:34 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3657qm$7pu@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer01.u.washington.edu I just finished building a new garage in my backyard, so I was able to go pick up and bring home the two hives of bees that I had had to move during the construction. Needless to say, our reunion after a month and a half apart was tearful and heartwarming (alright, bees don't have lachrymal glands, but you get the picture). When I had moved them, they had barely started in on the the third super (including the brood chamber), and I wasn't expecting much out of them, this being their (and my) first year. Lo and behold, when I went in today, I found that they had filled and capped every cell of every frame I had given them. Of course, had I been able to check them more often, I would have given them more room earlier, but I couldn't, so I didn't. My question is: it is now late September, and though it is still sunny and in the mid-80's here the Northwest (Seattle), I wonder if it would be useful at all to give them a new super with some fresh frames to work on? Could it hurt? I was planning on letting them winter with three supers (it being their first year, and me being the generous type), but maybe if they even fill out part of a fourth super, I could just leave them with that and harvest the third super... Kibitzing would be appreciated... Jordan From pollinator@aol.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:13 EDT 1994 Article: 834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!nac.no!eunet.no!nuug!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving bees from NC to FL Date: 25 Sep 1994 21:52:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3659g2$j45@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article , hhickman@ess.harris.com (H. Harris Hickman) writes: considering moving bees to Florida. You can get a NC inspection certificate and get the bees into Florida, by checking with FL state inspection. But, as of now, you can't get back into NC (legally), as it has had a quarantine for several years. From LJR7183@rigel.TAMU.EDU Sat Oct 1 13:01:14 EDT 1994 Article: 835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!libcpd7.tamu.edu!user From: LJR7183@rigel.TAMU.EDU (LARRY REYNOLDS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving established Hives Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Sep 1994 02:50:55 GMT Organization: TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: libcpd7.tamu.edu It has just started to cool off in Central Texas. The nights are around 55 to 60. I do not know if now is a good time to move established hives. I have been wanting to keep bees since I was six years old. That is almsost 40 years ago. It seems like something always comes up in the spring and early summer that keeps me from getting setup. I have a good location. There seems to be hives in the area as my flowers are full of the most beautiful Italian bees I have ever seen. I just do not know if now, the beginning of the fall, is a good time to move established hives as I have the chance to get a couple. I do not know why not, but I don't see the harm in asking. Larry Reynolds Supervisor, Current Periodicals Sterling Evans Library College Station, Tx From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Sat Oct 1 13:01:14 EDT 1994 Article: 836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: double colony -- advice wanted Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:29:17 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <35k0jq$jbe@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <170397944S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz In article <170397944S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > Better yet, go to a library and read up on two queen management > techniques in "The Hive and the Honeybee". Another reference: The Skyscraper Hive, by Father M Dugat, Faber & Faber, mcmxlviii . and The single-Queen and Two-Queen Systems of Colony Management under commercial beekeeping conditions (Journal of the Royal New Zealand Institute of Horticulture, date unknown). The author says that it requires more work and equipment but gets you more honey for your time/investment etc. Another advantage of the two-queen system is that if one queen fails, the colony doesn't. -- _______________________________________________ Owen Watson, The Royal Society of New Zealand Web server: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ From P.Waring@irl.cri.nz Sat Oct 1 13:01:15 EDT 1994 Article: 837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!irl.cri.nz!P.Waring From: P.Waring@irl.cri.nz (Peter Waring) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re- Extracting - advice needed Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:05:35 Organization: Industrial Research Limited, NEW ZEALAND Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.203.199.239 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] It saves much trouble to place a Porter bee escape in a board below the super overnight before removing the super. Most of the bees will go down and join their friends during the night, and only a few will remain when you carry the super away. Also, whilst it is OK to put the emptied frames near the hive for the bees to clear up when you only have one hive, to do so with numbers of hives around in the fall can start an epidemic of robbing of the weaker hives by the stronger. Much better to put a super with the emptied frames on top of the hive and let the bees clean up that way. Peter Waring P.Waring@irl.cri.nz From vmjr@netcom.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:16 EDT 1994 Article: 838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!vmjr From: vmjr@netcom.com (Victor M. J. Ryden) Subject: Royal Jelly Message-ID: Sender: vmjr@netcom.com (Victor M.J. Ryden) Reply-To: vmjr@netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: ZipNews Reader/Mailer v0.93b (Beta) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:09:53 GMT Lines: 9 I was at a party last night and someone mentioned that they were taking Royal Jelly. What is it and how is it "harvested"! -- Thanks, Victor M.J. Ryden POTS: (213) 236-1822 - Voice So Calif Assn of Govts - SCAG (213) 236-1825 - Fax 818 W 7th St, 12th Fl ISP: vmjr@netcom.com Los Angeles, CA 90017-3435 CIS: 71551,1415 From miyasato@isci.kyutech.ac.jp Sat Oct 1 13:01:16 EDT 1994 Article: 839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!emalpha2.em.doe.gov!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!rutgers!uwvax!sinetnews!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!hakozaki.karrn!wnoc-fukuoka-news!shiwasu!miyasato From: miyasato@isci.kyutech.ac.jp (Shinji Miyasato) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Request info on veterinary schools Date: 26 Sep 94 07:04:55 GMT Organization: Information Science Center of Kyushu Inst. of Tech. Lines: 37 Distribution: sci Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: murasaki.isci.kyutech.ac.jp Sorry if I'm posting this to the wrong group. A friend asked me to post this: --------- I'm a 3rd year undergraduate majoring in veterinary science in Japan. I would like to study clinical veterinary science in the United States, England, or some other English-speaking country. I would appreciate any information you have on the following points: 1. Which universities or colleges have courses in clinical veterinary science? 2. What are the requirments for admission and what, if any, are the special strengths or areas of interest? 3. Can foreign students seek admisson, and is there any financial aid available? Mika TANABE Miyazaki University of Japan --------- Please answer by E-MAIL to: miyasato@isci.kyutech.ac.jp Thank you very much. -- Shinji Miyasato ITK : Institute Tecnologico de Kyushu -------------------------------------------------- Por favor, me traga uma cerveja gelada! From nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk Sat Oct 1 13:01:17 EDT 1994 Article: 840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!nunnun From: nunnun@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Norman Lunnun") Subject: Re Moving Established Hives Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 22:36:09 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 11 Larry Renolds ask about moving hives. The rule I use is under 3 feet or over 3 miles. I have just moved 5 hives to over 3 miles from their original spot,in about 6 weeks time I shall be able to move them back to the spot I want them to spend winter in,I need to do this although this is within 400 yards of their original spot. Bees fly upto about a three mile radious of the hive,so moving them over three miles stops a bee finding it's way back to the original site. I should imagine moving them when the climate is cooler would be more benaficial as the bees are not so active and not flying so far. Norman Lunnun,Uttoxeter.UK. From pollinator@aol.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:18 EDT 1994 Article: 841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollination newsletter Date: 26 Sep 1994 22:17:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <367vb0$e5u@newsbf01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com Beekeepers interested in crop pollination service may be interested in subscribing to Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, which is a vehicle for practical information on pollination. It is designed primarily to help growers, but will be of interest to pollination beekeepers and several other disciplines. List Your Pollination Service (Eastern USA and Canada) Give name, address, phone, number of hives available, areas and crops where you can serve. Deadline for listing 1-1-95. Not required to subscribe for listing, but, of course, we hope you will. Subscription for 1995 $12. Looking for resource persons for several regions. If you are well informed on pollination systems in your area, or if you could provide brief articles on specifics of pollination, or help make contacts, or mailing lists of growers who need managed pollination of their crops, let us know. We are trying to cross pollinate some fields where there is not enough communication in practical aspects. -Growers, pollination beekeepers, extension, researchers, etc. A brochure on watermelon pollination is available from our Info Service for SASE, and one is nearly ready on apples. These can be used to inform your customers; we can get you a copy ready master, customized for your business, for a nominal fee. Some resources are also available on request on bees and pesticide misuse. Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554, 803-558-9598 Dave Green, Editor From dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Sat Oct 1 13:01:18 EDT 1994 Article: 842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!ucdmc.ucdavis.edu!dharry From: dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David J. Harry) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re- Extracting - advice needed Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 22:19:57 Organization: Information Resources, UC Davis Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dh.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu >Also, whilst it is OK to put the emptied frames near the hive for the bees to >clear up when you only have one hive, to do so with numbers of hives around in >the fall can start an epidemic of robbing of the weaker hives by the stronger. >Much better to put a super with the emptied frames on top of the hive and let >the bees clean up that way. I've tried this in central Calif. with little success: the bees simply start refilling the partially empty supers. American Bee Journal article suggested putting an empty super (no frames) between the brood chamber and the supers to be cleaned. This presumably prevents the bees from refilling the upper supers. I tried this also, with limited success. Ultimately, I went back to placing the empty supers close to the hives. You have to watch carefully, since they'll begin to disassemble the comb when the honey is gone! I've had no apparent problem with robbing behaviour. From killoran@ll.mit.edu Sat Oct 1 13:01:19 EDT 1994 Article: 843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Pictures of my extracting fiasco! Message-ID: <9409271236.PN16855@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:36:42 -0400 Lines: 31 Hi all, Well, here's descriptions of the picture to follow! As this was my first year beekeeping, I rented an extractor with a beekeeper friend and brought my supers over to his house. We left mine sitting in my car (to warm up in the sun....) and went to work extracting his supers. After a few hours, his wife came downstairs and asks me if I know there's a slew of bees around my car! Oh no! Beginners mistake! Anyway, the top picture is my friend and me (on right) just after we took the supers out of my car. The bottom two are after the supers were out for ~10 minutes. The top picture doesn't really do justice to the number of bees flying around, due to the distance. The bottom two, however, show the little Starlines well! A bit of moving the supers from one spot to another in the backyard combined with some smoking got rid of the robbers. They had only stolen a palm sized area of comb and cleaned up the dripping burr comb... live and learn! -Mike Killoran -Westford, MA -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From killoran@ll.mit.edu Sat Oct 1 13:01:21 EDT 1994 Article: 844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!xn.ll.mit.edu!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Re: Pictures of my extracting fiasco! In-Reply-To: killoran@ll.mit.edu's message of Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <9409271240.PN17298@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA References: <9409271236.PN16855@LL.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:40:31 -0400 Lines: 4599 Save this article to a file. Cut off any thing before the 'begin' line and after the 'end' line. 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MVGWN8WG]Y<8E9#K^YWOUY3M>6D*^C\U=7Q$>54"F:)FH#`9I0EV[N"R0ERQ0 M+)`0%6+YD!WH+RKL$,RZT4'R9G'.1:,A60614>#4B%7)I-!3FXG22!0]EI<6 M46E-2W'MIRNTU!BV_M1T/6H_QLGNS4;R]=EW0VJ"[N.E!NCLI>.=56AX[:LL MY-Q(Q5RE'6"98.8@+A#BNYQY1I806D3LG.+O*%S*2UN#^I6,1`\7M<[D_.9= M.3UF&<,]_>1C*9;H7"2A@ZM8Y`\)Y#):]NJE_6J!7NQA-NK%1=JD)E]MY.6H M9M=^1N@X?FK-=>B9:`G^4-\2SFK/9FSWDHFWTN$3DHJ;\LF-[JXE8\4+Z>8N M.ZC_@)9CJ>+?%"^T50!CD='EY2]@3-X"=$4-!A$"RJ<)R2S]P-D-,BE1E>K+ MCFZBAFK'GF/L+6C%AFK%7NSP->%076BJ]N> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving established Hives Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:53:38 GMT Organization: IsleOfView® Software Lines: 29 Message-ID: <36col2$l2o$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> References: I live in Vienna, Austria, but I was raised in Iowa, the son of a beekeeper with about 1000-1200 hives. I worked the business until I finished university, so I have quite a lot of practical experience with the whole commercial honey industry. I can offer the following advice regarding moving bees - we moved bee yards from place to place on occasion. 1.) Move the bees at night. They are in the hive then and not all flying around. You keep more of the colony population that way. 2.) Staple the entrances to the hive together with pieces of wire screen. Make sure not to close all of the ventilation openings. 3.) Do not try to move a hive that has been opened within several days. The propolis and wax will hold the supers together better that way. Move the whole hive together; don't try to move it super by super. It may be easier to move the colonies at a time of year when they are not as tall. 4.) The bees may be a little disoriented at the new location and you may loose a small percentage of the colony. If the colony strength is reasonable, this should be little problem. -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com Vienna, Austria From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Oct 1 13:01:22 EDT 1994 Article: 846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 28 Sep 1994 22:00:13 GMT Organization: IsleOfView® Software Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36cp1d$l2o$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> References: I live in Vienna, Austria, but was raised in Iowa by the son of a beekeeper with 1000-1200 hives. I helped in the business until I graduated from University, so I have quite a bit of experience in the honey business. Here are a couple of thoughts I had while reading your message: 1.) Large honey producers use other methods to remove the bees >from the combs. Chemical agents (my dad used carbonic acid, there are also commercial preparations) which would drive the bees down in the hive. A cover was placed on the top super with a pad saturated with the agent. The bees were driven down by the vapors. Also, there are big blowers which are used to blow the bees out from between the frames. We had a gasoline powered machine that made a heck of a wind. It whisks the bees out without hurting them (much). 2.) Your use of newspapers may make for an easy cleanup, but you may be loosing a little honey in the process. Consider using plastic, and then placing the sheets outside for the bees to lick off. 3.) We heated the honey slightly before straining it through 100 mesh silk and bottling or bareling it. The temperature was kept to about 160F or below to keep the honey from darkening. Heating the honey before sealing helped keep it from granulating so quickly. -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com Vienna, Austria From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Oct 1 13:01:23 EDT 1994 Article: 847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too late for fresh supers? Date: 28 Sep 1994 22:10:35 GMT Organization: IsleOfView® Software Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36cpkr$l2o$4@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> References: <3657qm$7pu@news.u.washington.edu> I haven't had my hands in the bee business in about 20 years (since I graduated from College), but my dad had about 1000-1200 hives, and I got a lot of experience (and stings) during my youth. If you still have nectar bearing flowers in the area, it probably can't hurt to add another super, especially if theirs are all full. Place the empty lower in the hive, just above the brood chamber. Bees sometimes carry the new honey up through the colony and when they encounter the first sealed combs, they think the hive is full, and they balk at going further. We always rotated the supers to keep the full ones on top. You might consider using "shallow" supers, the 6 or 7 inch high ones instead of the "deep" supers of 10 inches. That way, there's less space to have to gamble with. Jim Griggs Vienna, Austria -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com Vienna, Austria From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Oct 1 13:01:24 EDT 1994 Article: 848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Re Moving Established Hives Sender: usenet@cuug.ab.ca Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 04:40:11 GMT References: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 30 If it's an off season and you are sure the bees have been confined for three days with no flights, say due to rain, cold weather, etc. and if it isn't a lot of trouble, move them to a new spot. Remove any hive parts, comb, scrapings, etc from where the hive was. Then be sure to be there shortly after they begin flying in any numbers. Within a few hours after is fine. Moving them may cause enough flight to gauge if it is warm enough. If they come back and_cluster_and_stay_on the place where the hive stood, just move the hive back there and try again later if you like. No harm done. Then try the two or three miles trick. If they just fly around the old location a lot _and_then_go_away, don't worry. It worked. A _few_ bees will be lost no matter what you do. Another trick to get across a yard in flying (slight flow) weather is this: First move the hive a foot to one side. Wait a day or so, then move it two or three more feet. A day later, see how much farther you can go. The bees get used to having to look for their hive and you can move it in fair sized steps. Just let the bees show you how far. It works for me. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sat Oct 1 13:01:24 EDT 1994 Article: 849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 30 Sep 1994 09:57:42 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs119.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , prism@nbnet.nb.ca (Highlander) says: > >it works for me! >FROM another amateur...don't forget to put the emptied frames near the >hives for the bees to lick clean before storing them....(and don't throw >those those cappings away!-use 'em.;-) >take heart, I'm further north than you and extracted late last year and am >extracting now too! > >My heart's in the highlands, my heart is not here. My heart's in the >highlands, chasing the deer. (R. Burns) I don't put the supers back on the hive. It's a lot more work and the remnants of the honey deter wax moth from attacking your combs. Wax moth can devastate yor stored comb over winter. From phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 1 13:01:25 EDT 1994 Article: 850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!not-for-mail From: phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dr G A Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re- Extracting - advice needed Date: 30 Sep 1994 09:09:56 +0100 Organization: University of Warwick, Coventry, UK Lines: 30 Message-ID: <36gh4k$j3d@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: crocus-fddi.csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article , dharry@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David J. Harry) writes: > >>Also, whilst it is OK to put the emptied frames near the hive for the bees to >>clear up when you only have one hive, to do so with numbers of hives around in >>the fall can start an epidemic of robbing of the weaker hives by the stronger. >>Much better to put a super with the emptied frames on top of the hive and let >>the bees clean up that way. > >I've tried this in central Calif. with little success: the bees simply start >refilling the partially empty supers. American Bee Journal article >suggested putting an empty super (no frames) between the brood chamber and >the supers to be cleaned. This presumably prevents the bees from refilling >the upper supers. I tried this also, with limited success. Ultimately, I >went back to placing the empty supers close to the hives. You have to watch >carefully, since they'll begin to disassemble the comb when the honey is >gone! I've had no apparent problem with robbing behaviour. Putting a crown board, or any board with a hole an inch or so across in it, between the hive an the super to be cleaned seems to work. The bees don't seem to want to include the super in their workspace and will move the residual honey down to stores if there is room. Because they do not have to leave the hive they do not seem to get robber minded. Towards the end of the season, reducing the entrance to a couple of inches or so helps the colony to protect itself from robbing and this is an important thing to do when feeding syrup especially with a weak colony. graham From kmdrach@delphi.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:25 EDT 1994 Article: 851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!kmdrach From: kmdrach@delphi.com (Kerry Drach) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what bees do when not busy? Date: 30 Sep 1994 22:32:04 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: Kerry Drach I am a hobbyist beekeeper with one hive here in Maine. This is my first season, and I have become quite fascinated with bees and their ways. I am preparing a speech to give before a professional audience in a couple of weeks (mental health professionals), and I want to use imagery about bees and bee hives as a metaphor to glue the speech together. Here's my question: I have read that bees actually spend about two out of three hours resting! (This surprised me, given the lore about the business of bees.) CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT BEES DO WHEN THEY REST? HOW THEY REST? WHERE THEY REST? ETC. Anecdotes, lore, silly stories. Anything will do. It would be really useful in the talk I am developing because I want to point out that even bees need their rest (the talk is about staying healthy and rejuvenated on the job dealing with special needs children. I look forward to ideas, even if they are fanciful or silly. Thank you. Kerry Drach Portland, Maine From voting@qualcomm.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:26 EDT 1994 Article: 852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bionet.biology.tropical,bionet.general,rec.backcountry,rec.birds,rec.gardens,rec.photo,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.ethology,sci.bio.evolution Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:16:46 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 167 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 15 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:4889 news.groups:94538 bionet.biology.tropical:205 bionet.general:10417 rec.backcountry:55762 rec.birds:12711 rec.gardens:44926 rec.photo:94518 sci.agriculture:1780 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:852 sci.bio:18196 sci.bio.ecology:6021 sci.bio.ethology:1070 sci.bio.evolution:2067 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Newsgroups line: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Lepidoptera (Butterflies & Moths). Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 14 October 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list , & This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Christopher Majka CHARTER Preamble -------- Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is an unmoderated newsgroup to provide a forum for the discussion of all aspects of lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) and topics pertaining to them both on an amateur and professional level. It is *not* intended as a forum for commercial transactions with respect to lepidoptera. Sphere of Interest ------------------ Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is dedicated to the observation, study, history, art, photography, conservation, rearing, and responsible collecting of butterflies and moths. It also welcomes discussions and inquires which pertain to the ecology, behavior, systematics, taxonomy, evolution and other spheres of the biology of lepidoptera. Examples of the above might include: * Observation: If you observe butterflies and moths, this group is a place where you can share information on interesting sightings, and find out about sites to visit and museum exhibits. * Study: Whether you're a high school science student making a presentation for your science class, an entomology graduate student specializing in Lepidoptera, or a farmer or gardener concerned about caterpillars eating your crops, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera.can be used as a resource for learning. * History: The history of the study of lepidoptera includes many interesting personalities, debates, books, theories, etc. If you are interested in this sphere of the history of science, this forum can be a place where you can share your knowledge and make inquires on topics of interest. * Art: Many cultures have an appreciation of the beauty of butterflies and moths. 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Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No bounced votes at this time From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Oct 1 13:01:27 EDT 1994 Article: 853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:28:20 GMT Organization: IsleOfView® Software Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Empty supers stored over the winter can be effectively protected against moth damage by keeping them relatively well sealed (i.e,., stacked tightly), and placing a small quantity of paradichlorabenzine (spelling questionable) or common "moth balls" on a piece of mesh on the top covered with a tight cover. The fumes of the moth balls are heavier than air and sind through the stack of supers. Moths won't eat your combs like they won't eat your wife's (grandmother's?) fur coats! -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com Vienna, Austria From ryaninst@halcyon.com Sat Oct 1 13:01:27 EDT 1994 Article: 854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!news2.near.net!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!halcyon.com!ryaninst From: ryaninst@halcyon.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ryan Inst. BBS (800-261-3659) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:17:58 UNDEFINED Organization: Ryan Instruments Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm1-ip24.halcyon.com Summary: Ryan has bbs access now Keywords: ryan, bbs, temperature X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Ryan Instruments (Manufacturer of Temperature and Humidity monitoring devices) has a new BBS that offers product brochures and other misc. files. Feel free to dial us up, browse around and leave any comments to the Sysop. It is still under construction and we are looking for ways to make it worthwhile for you and our customers. 1-800-261-3659 or 1-206-883-0695 From mhg3@cornell.edu Sun Oct 2 00:39:50 EDT 1994 Article: 855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: mhg3@cornell.edu (Mike Griggs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 1 Oct 1994 16:35:46 GMT Organization: Research Support Scientist/Entomologist Lines: 23 Sender: mhg3@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0114.cit.cornell.edu In article <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Empty supers stored over the winter can be effectively protected > against moth damage by keeping them relatively well sealed > (i.e,., stacked tightly), and placing a small quantity of > paradichlorabenzine (spelling questionable) or common "moth > balls" on a piece of mesh on the top covered with a tight cover. > The fumes of the moth balls are heavier than air and sind > through the stack of supers. Moths won't eat your combs like > they won't eat your wife's (grandmother's?) fur coats! > > -- > James R. Griggs > 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com > Vienna, Austria When you say supers do you mean hive bodies or honey supers. The reason I bring this up is that in recent years it has been found that PDB can accumulate in the wax and it is not easy to tell if it is leaching into the honey in appreciable amounts. It is known that it (tends to be lipophillic) is concentrated in the wax more so than in the honey. I use moth balls for storing my excess hive bodies and place my honey supers in an old chest freezer that I know is physically sealed. The hive bodies are much more attractive to the Wax Moth since they really feed on the remains of the bee molt skins and less on the wax. James do you think we may be related? -- Mike Griggs Entomologist/Apiculturist/Arborist From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sun Oct 2 00:39:51 EDT 1994 Article: 856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 1 Oct 1994 18:15:15 GMT Organization: International Atomic Energy Agency Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36k8vj$mpk$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: Mike, Definitely hive bodies. I used the term super to mean the same. I guess I never realized that the term "super" was reserved for a hive body which was full of honey. My honey experience dates back about 20 years, so the use of paradichlorabenzine (?) or moth balls is a bit dated. I do, however, remember also using a commercial product call "KillMoth". PDB would keep moths out if they weren't already in the combs. KillMoth would actually kill them if they were already in. Re. being related ... who knows? I was raised in Iowa. My father's family grew up in eastern Iowa around the town of Washington. His family originally came from Kentucky, and beyond that, we don't have much information. Any geneological information you may have would be greatly appreciated. E-mail me please. -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com Vienna, Austria From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Oct 2 22:02:17 EDT 1994 Article: 857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Supers and wax moths Sender: usenet@cuug.ab.ca Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 16:35:21 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 20 Super is a Latin word meaning 'above' or 'over'. Hence a super is placed above the brood chamber(s). Supers usually have light coloured comb and may have wider frame spacing than is acceptable in a brood chamber. They are sometimes isolated from the active egg laying area by an excluder - a screen which is a liitle too tight for a queen or drone to pass through, but which allows the workers to pass (some say) unimpeded. If you don't have much equipment, wax moths can be stopped by ensuring the combs in question are exposed to lots of fresh air. Wax moth larvae can't make it in a dry well ventillated environment. They exist in stuffy supers and brood chambers, or in cracks. Don't throw out damaged combs. If the wax moth have merely laced them with frass and cocoons, but there is a lot of comb left, just put them into the middle of a hive one by one or a super at the beginning of the flow, and they will be renewed pronto. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sun Oct 2 22:02:18 EDT 1994 Article: 858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:25:12 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <36cpc1$l2o$3@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au In article <36cpc1$l2o$3@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> writes: >Royal Jelly is the substance fed to female bee larvae to develop >them into Queen bees. It contains hormones or enzymes, or [...] >From what I understand, it is put into all cells as starting food for the grubs. It is just that Queens are given it for longer through their...um.... developmental.....period. Adrian. (I hope I'm not wrong again....:-> ) From gshaw@gpl.com Mon Oct 3 21:02:47 EDT 1994 Article: 859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!att-out!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!pipex!news.gpl.net!usenet From: gshaw@starbase1.gpl.com (George Shaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coming Soon Dromore Beekeepers On-Line Date: 3 Oct 1994 16:59:09 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <36pd8t$vel@errigle.gpl.net> Reply-To: gshaw@gpl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: starbase1.gpl.com Hi all This is a short note to announce that the Dromore Beekeepers Association of Northern Ireland will be putting up on WWW all their issues of the "DROMORE BUZZETTE" the association magazine and a information page. The Dromore Beekeepers Association has around 300 members. Any one intrested in beeking in Ireland should check out their pages for the latest news and tips. We are also looking for anyone who wishes to contribute. Contact George Shaw for more info. gs -- George Shaw (Managing Director) GENESIS PROJECT Ltd International Trade Centre Belfast "INTERPOINT" 20-24 York Street From d-lampe@uiuc.edu Mon Oct 3 21:02:48 EDT 1994 Article: 860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!robertson2.life.uiuc.edu!user From: d-lampe@uiuc.edu (David Lampe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCE: Entomology WWW page Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 15:15:07 -0600 Organization: U of Illinois Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: robertson2.life.uiuc.edu The Entomology Department at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign would like to announce its new World Wide Web home page at http://www.life.uiuc.edu/Entomology/home.html. Here you'll find information on all aspects of the department, our faculty, and the University of Illinois in general. For your artistic taste, we offer a series of over 20 insect drawings done 50-60 years ago for teaching purposes here at Illinois that cover most of the common insect orders and some specific insect families and species (we hope to make all of these interactive in the near future). So if you've ever wondered what a bean weevil or a tree cricket really looks like, stop on by!! David Lampe Dept. Entomology University of Illinois Urbana, Illinois 61801 USA d-lampe@uiuc.edu http://www.life.uiuc.edu/Entomology/Dave/davel.html From pete@dewis.win-uk.net Tue Oct 4 20:15:10 EDT 1994 Article: 861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!ibmpcug!dewis!pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <87@dewis.win-uk.net> Reply-To: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete C Gray) From: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete C Gray) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 22:12:06 GMT Subject: CBPV Lines: 8 Does anyone have experience with Chronic Bee Paralisys Virus? All the literature that I have trawled thru merely describes the symptoms. How easily is it communicvated between colonies, what treatments (if any) are available, or do I just burn the colonies and start again? From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Tue Oct 4 20:15:11 EDT 1994 Article: 862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what bees do when not busy? Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:22:11 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36rku3$77s@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com>, Kerry Drach wrote: ... >of bees.) CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT BEES DO WHEN THEY REST? >HOW THEY REST? WHERE THEY REST? ETC. Anecdotes, lore, silly stories. ... >I look forward to ideas, even if they are fanciful or silly. I always tell my children that the bees stay home, eat honey and watch TV. (Well, you DID say "silly"...makes my kids laugh.) -Norman From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Tue Oct 4 20:15:12 EDT 1994 Article: 863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:18:05 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-07.cc.monash.edu.au Keywords: honey, extracting MOstly what I do. I have added a few points. >2. remove super from hive. Open super on hive, remove frames, shake bees from them, replace with new frames (optional, depending on flow conditions) >3. have second empty super available, use bee brush to remove as many bees as >possible from each frame and put de-bee'd frames in empty super, covering with >cloth while working on next frame. Do this close to hive so that brushed bees >can get back to hive. Brush/shake over the hive...cuts losses by a bit. Also, as well as, or instead of a cloth, use a board fitted with porter escapes. >5. spin extractor, slower at start, faster after 2-4 minutes as frame become >lighter. Also slower speeds on first side, faster when frames are reversed to >do second side. For REALLY heavy frames, extract half of the first side, flip, do half the second side, then redo each side, otherwise ther eis a greater risk of the comd colapsing. >6. repeat until all frames extracted, or honey needs to be removed from >extractor to allow continuation. Or have outlet of extractor emptying straight into a barrel. >10. clean all equipment with warm water. use soap only if necessary and then >rinse thoroughly. I do not submerse capping knife, but tend to wipe clean >while warm with paper or clean rag. Or keep knife hot for a minute or two after finishing, and most wax and honey will flow straight off. >---- All this from an amateur. Other will have difference opinions and >knowledge. Uh ...yeah...what he said. I hope my comments help rather than hinder. Adrian. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Tue Oct 4 20:15:12 EDT 1994 Article: 864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!spool.mu.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: CBPV Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:53:02 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <87@dewis.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au In article <87@dewis.win-uk.net> pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete C Gray) writes: >Does anyone have experience with Chronic Bee >Paralisys Virus? I don't have any experience with this disease myself, but here is what my book says. "Virus particles may enter pores in the cuticle and through broken bristles, where the cytoplasm is briefly exposed to other bees that may be infected. The virus may also be secreted from hypopharyngeal glands as bees moisten pollen during foraging flights. Paralysis seems to be related to genetic factors, with some queens seeming to pass on susceptibilityto paralysis to their worker progeny. In some instances, bees can cary the virus without ill effect until some factor reduces their natural resistance. [....]" and now the bit you want to know... "Paralysis can be overcome by requeening...with a queen that does not carry the susceptibility factor. Recovery may be assisted by reducing stress and placing hives on good nectar and pollen resources..." _Beekeeping_ 7th edition 1991. Prepared by the Victorian Department of Agriculture, Editor: Russel Goodman. I hope that is of some help. Adrian. From richard.krum@msfc.nasa.gov Tue Oct 4 20:15:13 EDT 1994 Article: 865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!cs.utk.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!usenet From: richard.krum@msfc.nasa.gov (Richard M. Krum, KE4GNK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what bees do when not busy? Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:50:15 GMT Organization: CSC ATD Lines: 25 Message-ID: <36rmin$251@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> References: <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> <36rku3$77s@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rich-krum.msfc.nasa.gov X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.5 In article <36rku3$77s@calvin.st-and.ac.uk>, nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) says: > >In article <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com>, >Kerry Drach wrote: >... >>of bees.) CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT BEES DO WHEN THEY REST? >>HOW THEY REST? WHERE THEY REST? ETC. Anecdotes, lore, silly stories. >... >>I look forward to ideas, even if they are fanciful or silly. > >I always tell my children that the bees stay home, eat honey and watch TV. > >(Well, you DID say "silly"...makes my kids laugh.) > The following answer is neither politically correct nor truthful: Actually, since we raise Italian hybrid bees, our theory is that they lounge around on the front porch in their undershirts, smoking tiny, smelly, crooked cigars and drinking strong coffee. On rainy days, they stay inside, polish their patent-leather shoes, and eat lots of pasta with honey sauce. The gangster bees carry tiny violin cases, of course. Too many generalizations--My Sicilian Godparents will get me for this one-- --Rich From wgathey@space.honeywell.com Wed Oct 5 00:44:55 EDT 1994 Article: 866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!spacenns.space.honeywell.com!usenet From: wgathey@space.honeywell.com (wgathey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what bees do when not busy? Date: 3 Oct 1994 17:12:02 GMT Organization: Honeywell Lines: 37 Message-ID: <36pe12$liq@spacenns.space.honeywell.com> References: <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wgathey.space.honeywell.com X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.82 In article <9409301827591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com>, kmdrach@delphi.com (Kerry Drach) says: > >my question: I have read that bees actually spend about two out of >three hours resting! (This surprised me, given the lore about the business >of bees.) CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT BEES DO WHEN THEY REST? >HOW THEY REST? WHERE THEY REST? ETC. Anecdotes, lore, silly stories. >Thank you. > >Kerry Drach >Portland, Maine > > I have an observation hive and have studied the bees quite a bit. I have read a lot lately about bees not doing anything and resting. In my observations I find them to be busy doing things even when at rest. The bees at rest are conserving energy that would otherwise be wasted. The bees conserving energy with full bellys will develope wax that is secreted >from 8 wax glands on the abdomen. Many times the resting bees will be seen hanging in chains motionless so they do not burn as many calories within their bodies, conserving energy, for maximum transfer of their food into wax. I also observe other bees going from one motionless bee to another collecting the wax off of the motionless bee's abdomens and taking it to form the comb. I hope this will be of help. Bees sure are fascinating. Bill =============================================================================== Bill Athey - AA4WE Internet: wgathey@space.honeywell.com Honeywell Inc. Packet: aa4we@w4dph.fl.usa.na Space Systems Division Phone: (813) 539-2913 13350 U. S. Highway 19 North, MS 887-3 FAX: (813) 539-3859 Clearwater, Florida 34624-7290 =============================================================================== From wgathey@space.honeywell.com Wed Oct 5 00:44:56 EDT 1994 Article: 867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!spacenns.space.honeywell.com!usenet From: wgathey@space.honeywell.com (wgathey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: 4 Oct 1994 11:55:13 GMT Organization: Honeywell Lines: 37 Message-ID: <36rfr1$ofo@spacenns.space.honeywell.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: wgathey.space.honeywell.com X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.82 In article , vmjr@netcom.com (Victor M. J. Ryden) says: > >I was at a party last night and someone mentioned that they were taking >Royal Jelly. What is it and how is it "harvested"! > > >-- > > Thanks, > Victor M.J. Ryden POTS: (213) 236-1822 - Voice > So Calif Assn of Govts - SCAG (213) 236-1825 - Fax > 818 W 7th St, 12th Fl ISP: vmjr@netcom.com > Los Angeles, CA 90017-3435 CIS: 71551,1415 > Royal Jelly is milky in appearance, a substance secreted by the pharyngeal glands in the heads of nurse honeybees. It is used to feed larvae the first few days of life. When the bees want the larvae to develope the sexual organs fully in order to create a queen bee they feed the larve royal jelly throughout development. Royal Jelly sometimes called bees milk, I have heard is painstakenly extracted from each cell using a suction device. I have never had any experience in this area and there may be more and better ways of extracting it. I understand some people take royal jelly and claim that it prolongs life. I have never heard of any scientific proof to back this up though. I hope this helps, Bill =============================================================================== Bill Athey - AA4WE Internet: wgathey@space.honeywell.com Honeywell Inc. Packet: aa4we@w4dph.fl.usa.na Space Systems Division Phone: (813) 539-2913 13350 U. S. Highway 19 North, MS 887-3 FAX: (813) 539-3859 Clearwater, Florida 34624-7290 =============================================================================== From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Wed Oct 5 11:10:41 EDT 1994 Article: 868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:20:17 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Message-ID: References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 33 In article , mhg3@cornell.edu (Mike Griggs) wrote: > In article <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, James R. Griggs > <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > > > Empty supers stored over the winter can be effectively protected > > against moth damage by keeping them relatively well sealed > > (i.e,., stacked tightly), and placing a small quantity of > > paradichlorabenzine (spelling questionable) or common "moth > > balls" on a piece of mesh on the top covered with a tight cover. > When you say supers do you mean hive bodies or honey supers. The reason I > bring this up is that in recent years it has been found that PDB can > accumulate in the wax and it is not easy to tell if it is leaching into the > honey in appreciable amounts. It is known that it (tends to be lipophillic) is > concentrated in the wax more so than in the honey. paradichlorobenzene---close enough, Jim. Mike--I have been been concerned about using PDB to protect extracted comb for that very reason (absorption into the wax). But I've also seen the depredation of wax moths on extracted frames from my supers...they don't leave _anything_ behind! Your freezer storage sounds interesting, but I assume you're using it as a freezer, rather than just an airtight, ambient-temperature storage chest. Have you looked at the cost of electricity for storing frames this way? Do the wax moths do less damage if you return the extracted frames to the supers and leave them on the hives over the winter? -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu Thu Oct 6 00:16:53 EDT 1994 Article: 869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:40:34 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: <36uhdj$4na@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> References: <36k8vj$mpk$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] James R. Griggs (100115.2716@CompuServe.COM) wrote: > Mike, > Definitely hive bodies. I used the term super to mean the same. > I guess I never realized that the term "super" was reserved for > a hive body which was full of honey. > My honey experience dates back about 20 years, so the use of > paradichlorabenzine (?) or moth balls is a bit dated. I do, > however, remember also using a commercial product call > "KillMoth". PDB would keep moths out if they weren't already in > the combs. KillMoth would actually kill them if they were > already in. > Re. being related ... who knows? I was raised in Iowa. My > father's family grew up in eastern Iowa around the town of > Washington. His family originally came from Kentucky, and beyond > that, we don't have much information. Any geneological > information you may have would be greatly appreciated. E-mail me > please. > -- > James R. Griggs > 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com > Vienna, Austria That is all fine and good, and you have good suggestions for storing empty supers and honey supers. However, what would you suggest if one has a little two many supers to mess with? In the winter, we have around eight thousand empty supers in our shop. In most years, they do not even go out, but in the good years we need every one and sometimes have to borrow some. How would you suggest we keep the wax moth's out of these? There is a solution. About every two to three weeks, we burn a Sufuric solution, that kills all wax moths, and in fact every insect. It is totally non-harmless to humans, after it dissipates, but the smell is nasty. Do you know of any other way? From dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au Thu Oct 6 00:16:54 EDT 1994 Article: 870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees on toxic plants? Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:47:11 +1000 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 15 Message-ID: <36sphv$arf@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl I was recently asked about the effect on the honey if bees are able to get at toxic plants. Plants, that any part of are very dangerous to humans, must flower and produce nectar/pollen. Can anyone comment if this could be a problem to look out for? Is it possible to get "toxic" honey from some of the more nasty type of plants....? Can bees be killed by toxic pollen.... or do they have more sense than us humans and avoid the toxic stuff? Comments anyone? David -- Could the last support staff member that leaves, please turn off the lights... From killoran@ll.mit.edu Thu Oct 6 09:05:15 EDT 1994 Article: 871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Magnetic attraction Message-ID: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 15:38:39 -0400 Lines: 33 I've noticed a seemingly unusual phenomena lately when working my bees. Not every time, but fairly often, bees will jump off the frames and land on my glove, or a frame tool, etc. When this happens, I'll get 15-20 bees jumping at a time. It only occurs when my glove or tool is within approximately half a foot from the tops of the frames. It reminds me of the way metal shavings will jump up to a magnet when it gets close enough. My only guess is that the bees smell some alarm odor on the glove from a previously squashed bee and they're reacting to the odor. Has anyone else seen this or have an idea what's going on? ps: Yesterday I had my hive open at dusk to insert four Apistan strips. During this procedure three bees managed to get under my veil.... well really three _stings_ under my veil. My normal reaction to a sting is just some minor local swelling with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else experienced a more severe reaction depending upon where they were stung? I'm hoping the eye area is just more sensitive as opposed to my getting allergic. The stinger was also in there for ~10 minutes as opposed to normal where I scrape it out right away so this may account for the difference too. Don't know how they got under my veil, I'll have to have someone look for gaps while I'm wearing it... -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From sSashihara@princeton.com Thu Oct 6 09:05:16 EDT 1994 Article: 872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!siemens!princeton!translib From: sSashihara@princeton.com (Steve Sashihara) Subject: Attracting bees to raspberries Message-ID: <1994Oct5.083419.23274@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: yellow.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 08:34:19 GMT Lines: 6 I am not a beekeeper. I grow raspberries. Two years ago, my raspberry canes did a super yield -- they were covered with honeybees from some unknown hive. That hive must have been moved or destroyed by a homeowner; since then, I've had few bees and a poorer yield of berries. How do I attract bees, or create a bee-friendly environment, other than becoming a beekeeper myself? From jlks@u.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 21:44:32 EDT 1994 Article: 873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:24:27 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 13 Message-ID: <36ungb$qvi@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <36k8vj$mpk$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> <36uhdj$4na@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer04.u.washington.edu moore901@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) writes: > There is a solution. About every two to three weeks, we burn a >Sufuric solution, that kills all wax moths, and in fact every insect. It >is totally non-harmless to humans, after it dissipates, but the smell is ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tell me this is a typo, please... Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://alfred1.u.washington.edu:8080/~jlks/jordan.html From jlks@u.washington.edu Thu Oct 6 21:44:33 EDT 1994 Article: 874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Home grown labels.. Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:28:16 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36unng$qvv@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer04.u.washington.edu As I'm getting ready to can my first harvest of honey, I thought I'd whip up a little label on the ol' PC. I wonder if anyone has done the same, and, if so, I think it would be fun to have an archive at the beekeeping WWW page of different labels...gif format or whatever you've got it in. So let me know if you've got a label, and I'll give it a home. I've seen the same thing done on home-brewing pages... Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://alfred1.u.washington.edu:8080/~jlks/jordan.html From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Fri Oct 7 10:23:27 EDT 1994 Article: 875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:41:49 GMT Lines: 20 In article <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU>, Mike Killoran wrote: > >I've noticed a seemingly unusual phenomena lately when >working my bees. Not every time, but fairly often, bees >will jump off the frames and land on my glove, or a frame >tool, etc. When this happens, I'll get 15-20 bees jumping >at a time. It only occurs when my glove or tool is within >approximately half a foot from the tops of the frames. >a magnet when it gets close enough. My only guess is that >the bees smell some alarm odor on the glove from a previously >squashed bee and they're reacting to the odor. Has anyone >else seen this or have an idea what's going on? Sounds like your bees are hot. Try using more smoke. Try working them when the field force is out, around mid day. -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Oct 7 14:44:22 EDT 1994 Article: 876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Message-ID: From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:25:25 GMT References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 30 : >I've noticed a seemingly unusual phenomena lately when : >working my bees. Not every time, but fairly often, bees : >will jump off the frames and land on my glove, or a frame : >tool, etc. When this happens, I'll get 15-20 bees jumping : >at a time. It only occurs when my glove or tool is within : >approximately half a foot from the tops of the frames. How fast are you moving? Bees respond to contrast and movement. They see very differently from the way we see, as far as we know. Stripes like a black watch band on a bare wrist will get a lot of hostile attention as will batting eyelashes! Try moving more slowly - really slowly, just for fun, and consider using more smoke, as Adam says. I can often take a hive apart without smoke or protective gear, if I move *really* slowly. We were shocked when our son, now 23, was about three or four. He had seen me taking hives apart and we went out one day to find that he had disassembled a strong hive near the house and leaned the frames up against it just as I do. He was working away there in a tee shirt and not much else. Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca Sat Oct 8 01:13:05 EDT 1994 Article: 877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help ending mouse invasions? Date: 7 Oct 1994 06:26:33 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 44 Message-ID: <372pmp$j1j@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mira.cc.umanitoba.ca Mice are a perenial problem with wintered bees. Try any of the following: 1. Entrance guards with nails driven in to form a portcullis that bees can walk through but mice cannot. 2. Keep your hives strong, the mice can only move in on a weak hive that has moved up off the bottom combs, or at least the bottom half of the bottom comb. 3. Tip your hive from back to front so dead bees can be cleaned out easier, this is partly what they are after. 4. Keep your bottomboards clean. As to insulating hives: 1. Yes, we in canada have to insulate hives in order to have them survive. 2. THe function of the insulation seems to be to moderate sudden drops in temperature, rather than keeping the hive warm. Over insulating seems to keep the hive from benefiting from warm days. Keep the wrap black to absorb solar radiation. 3. I assume you mean 20 degrees farenheit? If you meant -20 F, then that is worth insulating for, I guess. If you mean +20 F, then bask in the warmth of a spring day... I wouldn't worry too much unless the temp drops suddenly. Bees up here routinely survive a month w/o the daytime high geting above -25 C, and the nightly lows being in the range where Celcius and Farenheit meet. (-40) Of course, the longer the cold snap, the higher the mortality rate, and lots of beekeepers (myself included) perfer to put the hives in a building where temp is controled at about +5 C. Phil -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From sltqd@cc.usu.edu Sat Oct 8 01:13:05 EDT 1994 Article: 878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sltqd From: sltqd@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need help ending mouse invasions? Message-ID: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 94 14:12:21 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Howdy, I have a question about overwintering hives. We have 15 hives that are located in a pasture on a farm here in northern Utah. Every spring at least one of the hives has a mouse nest in the bottom brood box. Earlier this year in June I had mice or voles repeatedly invade one weak hive. My question is this: is there any way to stop the mice from moving into my hives short of moving them in from the fields or putting pesticide near the hives (we have a lot of overwintering raptors and other predators)? Also, for a period of three or so weeks during the winter it reaches 20 degrees below zero F. Has anyone ever insulated their hives or heard anything like that? Would it help if we did? Thanks, Todd Seamons From pollinator@aol.com Sat Oct 8 01:13:06 EDT 1994 Article: 879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Attracting bees to raspberries Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:05:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 26 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <372dt9$hfh@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: <1994Oct5.083419.23274@Princeton.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article <1994Oct5.083419.23274@Princeton.EDU>, sSashihara@princeton.com (Steve Sashihara) writes: concerning missing bees and raspberry pollination. You've put your finger on a problem that many are experiencing: the bees are disappearing. Reasons? Clearcut logging, pesticide misuse, new diseases and parasites. One especially bad parasite, varroa mite has decimated wild honeybees wherever it has become established. I was just reading Michigan extension reports that indicated that a few years ago half the fruit pollination was by wild honeybees. So they are upgrading the hive per acre recommendations to adjust for the missing wild bees. With so much that you are up against, as far as trying to enhance wild bees, it is probably a losing battle. You could try feeding them if you have some spare acreage. You probably would help bumblebees and solitary bees more than honeybees. Suggest sweet clover, sunflowers, buckwheat, goldenrod, canola - all rich nectar sources and some good quality pollen. Another avenue if you don't want to keep bees: Rent them. If you have a significant acreage, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding a beekeeper who would place bees in the fields during bloom for a fee. It ranges from $25 to $40 per hive. With the awful honey market, more and more beekeepers are doing pollination service to survive. That's how I make my living. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sun Oct 9 20:39:57 EDT 1994 Article: 880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting -- advice needed Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:42:20 GMT Organization: International Atomic Energy Agency Lines: 26 Message-ID: <37778c$i9d$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: <36uhdj$4na@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> >That is all fine and good, and you have good suggestions for >storing empty supers and honey supers. However, what would you >suggest if one has a little two many supers to mess with? Chad, My dad had about 8,000 to 10,000 hive bodies to store through the winters. He owned a large metal quansit building, stacked the hive bodies in very tall stacks. We stacked the bodies at the end of each day during extracting season unless they were being taken back to the bee yards to be put back on. I remember it as I remember it as a pain in the ... back ..., one that I did not enjoy, but it was necessary to go through this to protect the combs. As I indicated in an earlier message, he used PDB (paradichlorabenzine) to keep the moths out. This generally worked fine. If you keep them stored for more than a season, you would probably have to re-treat them again, maybe a couple of times per year. -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com (Home) ST0@SGIT.IAEA.OR.AT (Work) Vienna, Austria From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Tue Oct 11 12:48:37 EDT 1994 Article: 881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Wax Moth Prevention (was extracting -- advice needed) Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 01:41:56 GMT Lines: 11 I store empty honey supers on end, in a screened porch, outdoors. The light and open air keep all wax moth activity to a minimum. A big commercial guy near here has an old truck trailer. He burns agricultural sulfur in an old honey drum, about 10 lbs at a time per load of supers. I wonder what some of those really big commercial beekeepers out west do? Hummm? :) Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From ez021641@rocky.ucdavis.edu Tue Oct 11 12:48:38 EDT 1994 Article: 882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!rocky!ez021641 From: ez021641@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Son Trinh) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Different Bee Lines (?) Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:25:42 GMT Organization: Information Resources, UC Davis Lines: 12 Message-ID: <374ecm$mrp@mark.ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rocky.ucdavis.edu Hi All, I was just wondering what's the differences between the Carnolian bees and the Italian bees... I don't mean phenotypically.. I'm a hobbyist.. and i heard that Carnolian bees are good for the Bay Area (Northern California).. but i'm just curious.. what are the general characterstics between those 2 bee lines... Thanks. Regards -Son From danb@blkbox.com Tue Oct 11 12:48:39 EDT 1994 Article: 883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!blkbox.COM!news From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar water Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:04:00 -500 (CDT) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I keep 2 hives here in the Houston area, and I was going to treat them this week with fumidil. I read the sugar/water ratio concentration should be 2 to 1 in the fall. The directions on the fumidil say 2 gal. per hive. With that arithmetic I come up with needing 64# of sugar for only 2 hives! Is this concentration really necessary in this area when the bees already have 1 full depth super of honey (plus some in brood area) per hive? One more thing, it's still in the 75-80 degree range during the day; and there is no sign of any brood being laid in either hive. A month ago I checked for queens and brood and everything was fine and suddenly they stopped. Is this normal for going into winter this far south? From mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Tue Oct 11 12:48:40 EDT 1994 Article: 884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!kaki!mark From: mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Alexander) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Date: 10 Oct 1994 08:08:51 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37asqj$hlv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: kaki.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Mike Killoran (killoran@ll.mit.edu) wrote: : ps: : Yesterday I had my hive open at dusk to insert four Apistan : strips. During this procedure three bees managed to get : under my veil.... well really three _stings_ under my veil. : My normal reaction to a sting is just some minor local swelling : with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last : night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else : experienced a more severe reaction depending upon where they : were stung? I'm hoping the eye area is just more sensitive : as opposed to my getting allergic. The stinger was also in : there for ~10 minutes as opposed to normal where I scrape it : out right away so this may account for the difference too. : Don't know how they got under my veil, I'll have to have someone : look for gaps while I'm wearing it... : I'm a amateur beekeeper, in Christchurch, in the South Island of New Zealand. I find myself allergic to some bee stings only, not all. Sometimes when I'm stung there's just a small red spot, other times it is a proper allergic reaction requiring a visit to the doctor and either a strong anti-histamine tablet or asteriod injection. Sometimes its in between, I can treat myself with an anti-histamine cream on the sting and a tablet for the inside. As a child I was told I was allergic to some of the plants the bees were feeding on. This seems to be true, clover was one of the plants mentioned & if I now get stung when my bees are on clover then its a reaction coming up for sure. So Mike, you might be similar, with reactions to the pollen (?) or something else in/on the bees. Mark A. Alexander mark@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz mark_alexander@trimble.co.nz From kmdrach@delphi.com Tue Oct 11 12:48:40 EDT 1994 Article: 885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!kmdrach From: kmdrach@delphi.com (Kerry Drach) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question about processing honey Date: 10 Oct 1994 11:28:33 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9410100723591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1c.delphi.com X-To: Kerry Drach I am processing my first crop of honey. It is a dark honey that looks like buckwheat, but probably isn't, since I live in an urban area. Our local bee expert also doesn't think it is honeydew. Tastes great. Here's my question. After extracting it and filtering it, I let it stand one week or so in large containers. Yesterday I took one of these containers, fortunately the smallest one, and raised the temperature to about 110 degrees Fahrenheit in order to get rid of the air bubbles. I got the target temperature from an extension service publication. Once bottled and cooled, however, the honey, which was _extremely_ thick before I heated it, was quite runny, much to thin for honey. WHAT DID I DO WRONG? Any ideas would help, because I know I have to heat up the other two containers; they are full of air, too. I don't want to spoil the whole crop. I have checked the thermometer I was using. It is accurate. Any advice or ideas will be greatly appreciated. Kerry Drach Portland, Maine From tony@nexus.yorku.ca Tue Oct 11 12:48:42 EDT 1994 Article: 886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!tony From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) Subject: Re: swarms Message-ID: Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University References: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:04:10 GMT Lines: 39 [ That subject line caught my eye. Why is someone posting about swarming in October !? Yup, northern-hemisphere chauvinism on my part. ] > ..what d' bees take with em when they swarm?? > I know they all eat lots an lots of honey before they leave, but most of > this must get used up looking for a new hive site. No. The energy-economics of this is well understood. Swarming is a two-stage progress. They first cluster nearby. Due to the square-cube relation, this reduces heat loss. A small minority of bees scout for a new site and there is some sort of "voting" process at the cluster. Then they all head for the new sit at once. > Do they forage as they go? Or do they find a site first then start > foraging? Recall that they forage for nectar to concentrate into honey. In terms of energy-economics it makes more sense for the scouts to "refuel" >from their sisters at the swarm cluster. > If it takes about four times as much (by wieght or volume, I'm not sure > which) honey to make wax, how are they able to make so much wax so fast? Recall that they swarm when the "honey flow" is about to start. They (i.e. evolution/God) are not stupid. They have enough honey with them to "bootstrap" the construction of a new nest. > If it is the "old" bees and queen that leave .. The queen is the old queen, but the workers that go with her are a cross-section - not necessarily mainly experienced field bees. Workers generally go through a division-of-labour sequence nursery bees -> house bees (inc. guards) -> field bees and the new colony is going to need all "age groups". -- tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, North York, Canada. From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Tue Oct 11 14:50:04 EDT 1994 Article: 887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!ames!olivea!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Free Virgin Queens Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:39:10 GMT Lines: 7 Did anyone notice the advertisement in the October Bee Culture for free queens? The ad says five free if you pay postage. The ad says the queens are virgins. Is introducing a virgin queen the same as a mated queen? From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Tue Oct 11 21:59:52 EDT 1994 Article: 888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: that hive in the roof.... Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 06:53:25 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-06.cc.monash.edu.au Summary: don't wory, just me complaining. Keywords: whinge I don't know if anyone here remembers, but I posted a while ago about a feral hive in the roof of the t.v. room here. Well, I sent several messages to the administration, saying that they should remove it, and that I was quite happy to do so (for those of you who recall the original post I mention above will know that I was told that I was not allowed to help them out, as students are not allowed on the roof) and that I would do it free. If they had let me do it, it would have been done probably four or five months ago, and would have cost them nothing. Now they have called and told me to stop putting in maintenance cards, because they have the pest controllers coming at the end of the week. PEST CONTROLLERS!!!!!! If it was another beekeeper, I wouldn't mind, but pest controllers!!!??!!! It is probably going to cost them hundreds of dollars, involve toxic fumes, take a while, and generally endanger peoples lives with angry bees and pesticides. I guess beuracracy is just stupid. Any one have any ideas about Australian laws concerning the spraying of bees?? And would I have any chance with a restraint of trade suit???? Hmmmm....maybe I should call the R.S.C.P.A. Adrian. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Oct 11 21:59:53 EDT 1994 Article: 889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Prevention (was extracting -- advice needed) Message-ID: From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 05:25:22 GMT References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 13 Wax moth is not a problem usually in the country where winters have periods well below freezing and the supers are stored in unheated buildings over winter. If problems occur, it is usually in brood chambers and where the combs have held some warmth - say due to sun on a wall, and there has been some insulating effect -say due to many supers stacked tightly together. : I wonder what some of those really big commercial beekeepers out west do? -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Tue Oct 11 21:59:54 EDT 1994 Article: 890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-01.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms Message-ID: From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 05:49:28 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Keywords: what goes? NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-01.cc.monash.edu.au Lines: 16 I got to thinkin' this mornin'. It's swarmin' season hereabouts, and I was wonderin', what d' bees take withem when they swarm?? I know they all eat lots an lots of honey before they leave, but most of this must get used up looking for a new hive site. Do they forage as they go? Or do they find a site first then start foraging? If it takes about four times as much (by wieght or volume, I'm not sure which) honey to make wax, how are they able to make so much wax so fast? Do they take any pollen with them, and if not, how soon after they are settled are they able to start brood rearing? If it is the "old" bees and queen that leave, is there, like, a generation gap?...I mean, do they have a temporary loss in production between when the oldies die out and when the youngies are ready to fly? and I guess most importantly of all...does anybody know (or care) any of these answers?? Adrian. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Oct 12 21:42:02 EDT 1994 Article: 891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!gmi!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:55:33 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> <37asqj$hlv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au In article <37asqj$hlv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Alexander) writes: >: with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last >: night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else >: experienced a more severe reaction depending upon where they >: were stung? I'm hoping the eye area is just more sensitive I was stung on the neck once, and it gave me hives (seriously!!!) and hot flushes and faint spells. Another beekeeper suggested later that it may have been an allergy to some sort of propolis or pollen. >: as opposed to my getting allergic. The stinger was also in >: there for ~10 minutes as opposed to normal where I scrape it Yep...I rekon that'd do it.....why was the sting left in that long?? >I'm a amateur beekeeper, in Christchurch, in the South Island >of New Zealand. >I find myself allergic to some bee stings only, not all. >Sometimes when I'm stung there's just a small red spot, other >times it is a proper allergic reaction requiring a visit to the >doctor and either a strong anti-histamine tablet or asteriod I'm sorry??? A what sort of injection??? Sounds astronomicaly expensive... >So Mike, you might be similar, with reactions to the pollen (?) >or something else in/on the bees. I agree that this could change it, but I think as the swelling in this case was in the area of the sting, I think it is just because of the quantity of venom. Adrian. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Oct 12 21:42:03 EDT 1994 Article: 892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!gmi!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: european brood disease. Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 12:03:30 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au Summary: what can you tell me?? O.K. I admit it. I have a bee disease. (fortunately, due to my mangement techniques it is limited to one hive). I am just wondering, is multiple laying (i.e. two eggs in one cell) a common symptom of EFB or is it possible that I also have a laying worker? Another possibility I thought of is that the disease has been present for a while, and that it has only become aparent because the queen is getting old and weak, which may also account for the laying pattern. Apart from a few cells with two eggs (and patchy brood because it obviously dies) the laying pattern seems quite regular. I would invite any comments. My brother wants to destroy the hive to keep our apiary totaly disease free, but, as EFB is (legaly) treatable, I am willing to try to keep it going. Any comments sugestions etc, you know where to find me. (post here or mail to me....whatever.) Adrian (roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au for those of you who DON'T know where to find me...) From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Wed Oct 12 21:42:04 EDT 1994 Article: 893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help ending mouse invasions? Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:51:31 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37dqnj$ivb@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu>, wrote: >Howdy, > >I have a question about overwintering hives. > >We have 15 hives that are located in a pasture on a farm here in northern Utah. >Every spring at least one of the hives has a mouse nest in the bottom brood >box. Earlier this year in June I had mice or voles repeatedly invade one weak >hive. Not a reply, but a related query: How come the bees don't drive the mice off? Surely a dozen stings would be enough to endanger a mouse's life. I've been puzzled by this for a time (but not troubled by mice). ... >Also, for a period of three or so weeks during the winter it reaches 20 degrees >below zero F. Has anyone ever insulated their hives or heard anything like >that? Would it help if we did? I keep my hives (up to 4) in my garage - a large wooden shed. They sit on a bench and butt up against a kind of tunnel which leads to a hole in the garage wall. Ideally there are no bees inside the garage. It is very handy for keeping my tools and things to hand. Also, they are much warmer in winter than they would be outside (not that it gets that cold here). The point is, the bees seem quite happy with the arrangement, and once even swarmed into an empty hive I had arranged in the garage for just that purpose. -Norman From pollinator@aol.com Wed Oct 12 21:42:05 EDT 1994 Article: 894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about processing honey Date: 11 Oct 1994 15:16:06 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 35 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <37eo9m$1c1@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: <9410100723591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article <9410100723591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com>, kmdrach@delphi.com (Kerry Drach) writes: was quite runny, much to thin for honey. WHAT DID I DO WRONG? Any ideas Without more info, I cannot guarantee this to be an accurate response to your query about thin honey, but this is a possibility for you to consider. Honey soaks up water like a sponge. If it is left in an open tank during humid weather, it will pick up moisture from the air. The time in that state, the percentage of humidity, temperature, and surface area exposed to the air all are all factors in how much it will add. When I have honey in the tank, I leave on a dehumidifyer in warm weather, and a little heat in cool weather, which is to keep the air humidity low. It is best to pack out as quickly as possible, into sealed containers. Incidently, the cappings on comb will also pass a considerable amount of water, and unextracted supers should not be left long in humid air either. I've seen the honey soak up enough water to rupture the cappings. The only cure here, is to return them to the bees and let them redry and recap. If the honey has seriously fermented , it will make the bees sick. If this is your problem, after extraction, it is a bit difficult to fix. Perhaps for small quantities, a large shallow pan with warmed air blowing over it. Or you could put it in freezer containers and keep it there until ready for your own use. Wet honey cannot be bottled for sale, as it will ferment when kept at room temperature, and it can even explode the jars. Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, POB 1215,Heminway, SC 29554 Internet: Pollinator@aol.com From bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 13 10:47:38 EDT 1994 Article: 895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Sender: news@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-User: bbeattie Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:43:18 GMT Lines: 27 References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Killoran (killoran@ll.mit.edu) wrote: > ps: > Yesterday I had my hive open at dusk to insert four Apistan > strips. During this procedure three bees managed to get > under my veil.... well really three _stings_ under my veil. > My normal reaction to a sting is just some minor local swelling > with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last > night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else > experienced a more severe reaction depending upon where they > were stung? I'm hoping the eye area is just more sensitive > as opposed to my getting allergic. The stinger was also in > there for ~10 minutes as opposed to normal where I scrape it > out right away so this may account for the difference too. > Don't know how they got under my veil, I'll have to have someone > look for gaps while I'm wearing it... > The stinger continues to pump for several seconds after penetration, so if you usually scrape it out immediately, you probably don't get the full whack of venom - and this time, you left it in. Just a thought. Try a shirt over your veil (depends on the style of veil, of course...) as it may cover the gaps where the bees get in. Bridget. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu Oct 13 19:34:25 EDT 1994 Article: 896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!cato.Direct.CA!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:33:58 GMT References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 24 : > My normal reaction to a sting is just some minor local swelling : > with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last : > night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else : > experienced a more severe reaction depending upon where they : > were stung? I'm hoping the eye area is just more sensitive : > as opposed to my getting allergic. The stinger was also in : > there for ~10 minutes as opposed to normal where I scrape it : > out right away so this may account for the difference too. I've found that the first stings of the season bring more swelling, and, yes, the part of the body will make a difference. Around the eyes is particularly prone to swelling, even among those of us who think nothing of 100 stings in the hands and wrists during a day. I think that parts of the body that are stung often swell less, but unstung parts remain more sensitive - but perhaps that is why we seldom permit them to be stung. Swelling is nor a sign of allergy - unless it occurs at a site remote >from the sting. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk Thu Oct 13 19:34:26 EDT 1994 Article: 897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: bees on toxic plants? Sender: news@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-User: bbeattie Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:49:19 GMT Lines: 26 References: <36sphv$arf@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] David 'Igor' Latter (dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au) wrote: > I was recently asked about the effect on the honey if bees are able to get > at toxic plants. Plants, that any part of are very dangerous to humans, must > flower and produce nectar/pollen. Can anyone comment if this could be a > problem to look out for? Is it possible to get "toxic" honey from some of > the more nasty type of plants....? > Can bees be killed by toxic pollen.... or do they have more sense than us > humans and avoid the toxic stuff? > Comments anyone? David It seems logical that the process by which the plant reproduces would not have any toxic effects as that would be self-defeating. The plants want to attract insects for pollination and they wouldn't want to poison them so I'd guess that the honey would not be toxic.. On the other hand, I suppose they wouldn't want bees to eat the precious pollen so .. maybe.. the pollen may be toxic. I've never heard of toxic plants being a problem, and can't find anything in my books....They only talk about poisoning of bees from crop spraying. Just comments. Bridget From mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com Sat Oct 15 00:17:16 EDT 1994 Article: 898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!sfov1.verifone.com!mike_j2 From: mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com (Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: that hive in the roof.... Message-ID: <1994Oct12.133231.1646@sfov1.verifone.com> Date: 12 Oct 94 13:32:30 -0800 References: Organization: VeriFone Inc. Lines: 26 > It is probably going to cost them hundreds of dollars, involve toxic fumes, > take a while, and generally endanger peoples lives with angry bees and > pesticides. I guess beuracracy is just stupid. Rather than complaining to the administration, perhaps instead you could educate them. Write a paper on the proper way of bee removal from a building, explaining about the brood cycle, how a pesticide only usually works on bees currently moving about in the hive, how the brood will be hatching out over the next several weeks necessitating many followup visits from the "pest control" company, and how the field bees are in the field and mainly unaffected by the pesticide in the hive because they were in the field at the time. Also explain how the residual smell or aroma of the wax and brood and honey and pollen will continue to attract feral colonies or swarms for some time to come until it is totally removed. And then possibly inform them of how an allergic sting reaction affects some people and how, since they are an institution of higher education, they should have taken the steps to "properly" eradicate the "problem". Then offer to present them with a waiver of liability if they let you take care of the bees and properly remove them. And possibly, since you are "just a lowly student" in the minds of the administrators, contact a local professional beekeeper to supervise your removal of the feral colony. Either that, or go to work part-time for the pest removal people as their in-house bee expert. mike_j2 amateur, hobbiest, small time beekeeper From wgathey@space.honeywell.com Sat Oct 15 00:17:17 EDT 1994 Article: 899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!spacenns.space.honeywell.com!usenet From: wgathey@space.honeywell.com (wgathey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need help ending mouse invasions? Date: 11 Oct 1994 12:12:08 GMT Organization: Honeywell Lines: 35 Message-ID: <37dveo$jh1@spacenns.space.honeywell.com> References: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wgathey.space.honeywell.com X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.82 In article <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu>, sltqd@cc.usu.edu says: >My question is this: is there any way to stop the mice from moving >into my hives short of moving them in from the fields or putting pesticide near >the hives (we have a lot of overwintering raptors and other predators)? >Also, for a period of three or so weeks during the winter it reaches 20 degrees >below zero F. Has anyone ever insulated their hives or heard anything like >that? Would it help if we did? >Thanks, >Todd Seamons Try laying two 4X4s parallel and spaced about 1 foot apart up on top of buckets or something that mice cannot climb. It also has to be high enough that mice cannot jump too. I also use concrete blocks with a sheet of metal between the layers to deter mice and ants. I'm sure there are many combinations pipes, etc. to set the 4X4s on. Also try closing down the entrance to the small hole should help or cover the entrance with small mesh wire that the bees can go through but a mouse could not. As for insulating the hives in the winter, temperature is not a problem in Florida. I hope someone in frigid climates can help you with that question. Hope this helps, Bill =============================================================================== Bill Athey - AA4WE Internet: wgathey@space.honeywell.com Honeywell Inc. Packet: aa4we@w4dph.fl.usa.na Space Systems Division Phone: (813) 539-2913 13350 U. S. Highway 19 North, MS 887-3 FAX: (813) 539-3859 Clearwater, Florida 34624-7290 =============================================================================== From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Oct 15 00:17:18 EDT 1994 Article: 900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Bee Sting, Allergy, Bee Venom FAQ Challenge! Message-ID: Summary: Answering all these questions! Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:18:59 GMT Lines: 18 From bee-l: Would someone or a few people collaborate and get bee sting allergy information into a neat FAQ so that these Frequently Asked Questions about bee stings, reactions, allergies etc, will be answered? sci.agriculture.beekeeping had a thread on this a few months back- maybe those people would whip up the allergy/venom FAQ? Colonies are slowing down here in Virginia, queens are laying their last flush of eggs, or have stopped on the tail end of a nice Aster flow. (I wrote it) Who dares to grab this Chimera? How about it? Who can do this well without gloves? -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From pollinator@aol.com Sat Oct 15 00:17:19 EDT 1994 Article: 901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Virgin Queens Date: 11 Oct 1994 15:27:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 29 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <37eou8$1hr@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article , mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) writes: >Did anyone notice the advertisement in the October Bee Culture >for free queens? >The ad says five free if you pay postage. >The ad says the queens are virgins. >Is introducing a virgin queen the same as a mated queen? Sounds like a prank to me. By the time they are sent through the mail, they are past any use. Virgin queens can be used, but only if done quickly. A virgin must mate within a few days after emergence, or her chance is gone forever, and she is worthless. If someone cages a virgin, she must go into a hive or nuc very quickly, so she will have opportunity for mating flights. Newly hatched virgins can be run in at the entrance, and will hardly be noticed by the bees. There is no problem with acceptance, as with mated queens. Older virgins seem to have more odor, thus less acceptance, but, if you cage them, they may not be released in time for the mandatory mating flights. When we are rearing queens, and sometimes cannot get all the cells in the nucs in time, we just run the hatched virgins into the nucs. But it is a race when you have 40 hatching cells and not enough nucs ready. They will destroy each other, so they must be separated. Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, POB 1215, Hemingway, SC Internet: Pollinator@aol.com From bugman23@aol.com Sat Oct 15 00:17:20 EDT 1994 Article: 902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bugman23@aol.com (BUGMAN23) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Insects and Arthropods Wanted Date: 13 Oct 1994 16:15:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <37k4g8$e66@newsbf01.news.aol.com> The Philadelphia Insectarium is a combination museum and arthropod zoo. We currently maintain over 100 live species of insects and arachnids. We are interesting in obtainging livestock of any showy arthropod species, but ideally species we can keep in culture. We are especially interested in obtaining stick insects, phasmids, coloeptera, lepidoptera, large myriapods, blattodea, mantodea, and hemiptera. Can buy or trade for our livestock. Anthony Pietrak and Roger Ricco Bugman23@aol.com The Philadelphia Insectarium 8046 Frankford Ave. Phila, PA 19136 215-338-3000 From mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Sun Oct 16 21:34:21 EDT 1994 Article: 903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!noc.near.net!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!kaki!mark From: mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Alexander) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees on toxic plants? Date: 14 Oct 1994 07:52:53 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37ldcl$m7l@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> References: <36sphv$arf@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kaki.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] B.J.H. Beattie (bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk) wrote: : It seems logical that the process by which the plant reproduces would not : have any toxic effects as that would be self-defeating. The plants want to : attract insects for pollination and they wouldn't want to poison them so : I'd guess that the honey would not be toxic.. : On the other hand, I suppose they wouldn't want bees to eat the precious : pollen so .. maybe.. the pollen may be toxic. : I've never heard of toxic plants being a problem, and can't find anything : in my books....They only talk about poisoning of bees from crop spraying. : Just comments. : Bridget I've has it said to me that honey produced when the bees are foaging on rhododendron plants is toxic to humans. That is its okay, no effect to the bees but not so good for us. I don't know who true this is but it concerns me as a university nursery near my hive (approx 2 kilometres) breeds rhododendrons. any further comments? Mark A. Alexander From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct 16 21:34:22 EDT 1994 Article: 904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!ctc.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:39:10 -0400 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Need help ending mouse invasions? Message-ID: References: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> <37dqnj$ivb@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 39 In article <37dqnj$ivb@calvin.st-and.ac.uk>, nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) wrote: > >Every spring at least one of the hives has a mouse nest in the bottom brood > >box. Earlier this year in June I had mice or voles repeatedly invade one weak > >hive. > > How come the bees don't drive the mice off? Surely a dozen stings would be > enough to endanger a mouse's life. I've been puzzled by this for a time (but > not troubled by mice). I recall an account (here on the Internet? From a local beekeeper? In a journal? Don't recall the source) of a beekeeper noticing three little mouse tails sticking out from under the hive entrance, quite still, and no disturbance in the hive. He banged on the side of the hive to wake things up, and three mice came blasting out of the hive with bees all over them! Apparently mice can sneak in if they're cool about it, and hang out taking advantage of the warmth and food for the winter. They only get attacked if the bees get upset and go looking for something to hassle. > > >Also, for a period of three or so weeks during the winter it reaches 20 > >degrees below zero F. Has anyone ever insulated their hives or heard > >anything like that? Would it help if we did? > > I keep my hives (up to 4) in my garage - a large wooden shed. They sit > on a bench and butt up against a kind of tunnel which leads to a hole in > the garage wall. Ideally there are no bees inside the garage. I do recall that this was published in one of the bee journals. Someone ran a comparative study of hives in the northern part of the US, some wrapped with insulation and covered with a wrap of roofing paper, and the others uninsulated. As I recall, he discovered little difference in survival rate for the two groups. The sample was, however, small, so others might profit from repeating it. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From chowe@cthoneybee.win.net Sun Oct 16 21:34:22 EDT 1994 Article: 905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!witch!cthoneybee!chowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <299@cthoneybee.win.net> Reply-To: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) From: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:53:30 GMT Subject: You Can't Take That to the Bank - Beekeeping Philosophy Lines: 59 The following story was first published in the Connecticut Honey Bee in February 1994. Several people have suggested that I post it to this newsgroup. Although not all of us are Christians, as Norm is, I think there is a message for us all. Chuck Howe ----------------------------------------- | Chuck Howe - Editor | | Connecticut Honey Bee | | INTERNET - CHOWE@CTHONEYBEE.WIN.NET | ----------------------------------------- YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT TO THE BANK - Norm Farmer - My church friends tell me I should not gamble. My answer to them might be something like, "if I can't gamble I will have to stop beekeeping, because it is for sure a gamble." My friends like the honey I present to them from time to time so maybe they will call beekeeping not a gamble but, "a risky worth while endeavor." the only real worth while gamble is when you win at least, most of the time. With beekeeping I feel most of the time this is indeed the case, but many times we can't take our winnings to the bank because they are not in the form of cash money. However, the rewards are really great at times, like when we see a child's honey filled mouth attempting to smile. When you ask the child if the honey is good, they might just say something that sounds like "yum, yum". Your honey couldn't possibly get a better complement than that. Or, maybe when I demonstrated the workings of a colony of bees to a young lad. When it was over he could think of only one thing to tell his Mom and Dad. "I found the queen! I found the queen! The queen of England could not have rated such importance. The glitter from the crown could not make his eyes light up more. Yes, he found the queen and he ate some honey and in one hour he was about two inches taller. he now stands stout. He has a constant smile on his face. What a man. He found the queen. When I walked the young lad to the bee yard I walked under the low hanging limb of a tree. When we returned from the bee yard I hit my head on that same limb. The limb didn't seem to be that low before. Do you think maybe I also grew a little or maybe I was just walking tall for a while. I know I felt rich or maybe I felt blessed. Yes, I have been blessed over and over. I work close to nature which I dearly love and I look forward to one day seeing the King of Kings. That's why I have a smile on my face. You see I am very rich. I'm a beekeeper and I love what I do. We can't take all this to the bank because its much better than money or gold. The bank's money can only fill our needs for a little while. What I have is forevr. Yes, I am a beekeeper, a very rich beekeeper and most of all "I found the King." Want to get rich quick? Get some bees and a bible, study both and just let the rest happen. Let's get back to the important things. Let's give credit where credit is due. Let's remember the source of all our blessings. Thank you and God bless. Norm Farmer. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Oct 16 21:34:23 EDT 1994 Article: 906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Need help ending mouse invasions? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:32:44 GMT References: <1994Oct4.141221.28736@cc.usu.edu> <37dqnj$ivb@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 45 : > >Also, for a period of three or so weeks during the winter it reaches 20 : > >degrees below zero F. Has anyone ever insulated their hives or heard : > >anything like that? Would it help if we did? : > : > I keep my hives (up to 4) in my garage - a large wooden shed. They sit : > on a bench and butt up against a kind of tunnel which leads to a hole in : > the garage wall. Ideally there are no bees inside the garage. Up here in the Great White North, most of us wrap our bees. Sometimes we don't have to, but we never know until after if it was necessary. Some winters are mild and things are just right and the wrapping isn't necessary. Hives that have to endure longish periods of dearth accompanied by cold weather can benefit from insulation. When I kept two queen colonies, I didn't wrap and the hives came through fairly well, but when I switched to single queens, I had losses up to 100% in some yards. Average strength and weaker colonies in particular will survive with much greater certainty if wrapped. The insulation on the top is the most important. We use a one inch kodel blanket sewn from tarp material wrapped around the sides of four hives crowded together. A pillow of kodel scraps is place on top and a piece of plywood is tied on to complete the package. In the southern areas, just a tarpaper or black plastic wrap with a little insulation on the lid helps protect the equipment and bees from weather. Controlled ventillation is important too. Bees generate a lot of water vapour and C02, consuming honey. We use an upper entrance of a 1 inch auger hole or 3/8 by 1 1/2 inch slit in the inner cover as a breathing hole. Survival using this method is consistently about 85 - 95%, which is good, considering the hives are not fall checked for queens etc, and the winter period is from November through the end of March, with temperatures down to minus 40 for days on end. A person is lucky to average that survival rate over a summer with no hive checks and maintenance work. Hope this helps - If not ask again. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com Sun Oct 16 21:34:24 EDT 1994 Article: 907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!goldsword!brbbs!news From: mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (Marshall Dudley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees on toxic plants? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:58 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com Lines: 18 mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Alexander) writes: -> I've has it said to me that honey produced when the bees are foaging -> on rhododendron plants is toxic to humans. That is its okay, no effect to -> the bees but not so good for us. I don't know who true this is but it -> concerns me as a university nursery near my hive (approx 2 kilometres) -> breeds rhododendrons. -> -> any further comments? -> Mark A. Alexander Having kept bees for many years, I thought that there was no such thing as poisonous honey. Poison ivy honey is said to be quite good. However just last week I read in the Sunday Paper that Rhododendron honey is quite toxic, and should be avoided. So it must either be true, or at least quite widely accepted as fact. Marshall From pollinator@aol.com Sun Oct 16 21:34:25 EDT 1994 Article: 908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: european brood disease. Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:23:12 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 21 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <37i970$eh@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article , roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) writes: >My brother wants to destroy the hive to keep our apiary totaly disease free, >but, as EFB is (legaly) treatable, I am willing to try to keep it going. >Any comments sugestions etc, you know where to find me. (post here or mail >to me....whatever.) I haven't seen any EFB this year. I used to have quite a bit of it. I believe the weakness is often genetic, so requeening with good stock is a good idea. Also, it is a stress disease like chalkbrood. I have seen hives with both diseases, plus sacbrood, all at the same time. Last year I sent in one sample that had EFB and tracheal mites. The lab also found paralysis (a virus). To me, this is all evidence of bees that are generally weak. There may be a synergistic effect between mites and other diseases as well. I recommend requeening as the most important curative step, also feeding some syrup to help with general stress, and treating with terra. From rchamman@wheel.ucdavis.edu Sun Oct 16 21:34:25 EDT 1994 Article: 909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!wheel!rchamman From: rchamman@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Rebecca Hammann) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: observation hives Date: 16 Oct 1994 23:19:14 GMT Organization: Davis Community Network - Davis, California, USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37scdi$mpo@mark.ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheel.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I built an observation hive for my school and am having a difficult time keeping my bees from swarming. I get conflicting info about the viability of these hives. The hive is 4 frames high and is located in the foothills of California. Any ideas? -- *************************************************************************** Rebecca Hammann dcn - rchamman@wheel.ucdavis.edu *************************************************************************** From gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu Sun Oct 16 23:11:05 EDT 1994 Article: 910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu (Roger Khoury) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, MY BEES ARE DYING. Date: 16 Oct 1994 22:01:26 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 43 Sender: gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu Message-ID: <37sltm$rms@acmey.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu Many thanks for giving me your attention It has been about ten days now, my bees crawl out of their hives and die outside, from eight I only left with one, it is also dying. All the others hives have been occupied by Yellow Jackets and Wasps. I don't know how to help them. I contacted a doctor (Jerk) we did not know how to help, and now he deosn't return my phone calls. I called the company that sold me the hives and paid for a medicine it has been eight days nothing arrived yet, even they expressed their willingness to sell me more it seems they are waiting for what i have to die. I had them for long time, and after I eat their honey it is deppressing not to help them they were great to me, all the people i know are not helping. If any of you guys know what i can do to slow their death rate until I get a proper medicine, that will be great. If you know how to cure them, If you know which company to contact for medicine, If you had previous experience how to evade it in the future, If you know what is this sickness named, Anything to help them i will be greatfull to you, I will send money to you or honey but i wan't to help them before they all die. Your early reply would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Roger Khoury gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu -- Roger Khoury Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6861c Internet: gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu From moroney@world.std.com Mon Oct 17 09:51:23 EDT 1994 Article: 911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: bees on toxic plants? Message-ID: <5r7ekaE96JgV071yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:09:25 GMT Lines: 26 In article , mdudley@brbbs.brbbs.com (Marshall Dudley) wrote: > mark@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Alexander) writes: > > -> I've has it said to me that honey produced when the bees are foaging > -> on rhododendron plants is toxic to humans. That is its okay, no effect to > -> the bees but not so good for us. I don't know who true this is but it > -> concerns me as a university nursery near my hive (approx 2 kilometres) > -> breeds rhododendrons. > -> > -> any further comments? > -> Mark A. Alexander > > Having kept bees for many years, I thought that there was no such thing as > poisonous honey. Poison ivy honey is said to be quite good. However just > last week I read in the Sunday Paper that Rhododendron honey is quite toxic, > and should be avoided. So it must either be true, or at least quite widely > accepted as fact. I have heard mountain laurel honey (related to rhododendron) is toxic but bees don't care for its nectar/pollen so don't work it if there's anything else available. This is good since I have plenty of mountain laurel around here yet I have never seen a honeybee interested in them. Dandelion blooms at the same time. -Mike From will.duckworth@delta.com Mon Oct 17 23:14:48 EDT 1994 Article: 912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE VIRGIN QUEENS From: will.duckworth@delta.com (Will Duckworth) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!deltacom!will.duckworth Distribution: world Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 18:49:00 -0500 Organization: deltaComm Online :: 919-481-9399 v.32bis Lines: 17 MM> Did anyone notice the advertisement in the October Bee Culture MM> for free queens? MM> The ad says five free if you pay postage. MM> The ad says the queens are virgins. I'd be careful (ie. mites, disease, etc). Where is the breeder? (ie. state / country) MM> Is introducing a virgin queen the same as a mated queen? If the question is would you do it the same way? Well, that depends if your old queen is dead - they don't take to well to _newbies_ . Queen would still have to get mated - no promises there. Will will.duckworth@delta.com * RM 1.3 02504 * If you think too fast you'll fall down. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Mon Oct 17 23:14:49 EDT 1994 Article: 913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Help, MY BEES ARE DYING. Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <37sltm$rms@acmey.gatech.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:06:00 GMT Lines: 9 Georgia has a very good Apiary inspection service. Before anyone else messes with you, why don't you try talking to a bee inspector or your state apiarist. If you need help finding these #'s let me know. Adam -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Thu Oct 20 11:38:33 EDT 1994 Article: 914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!raven.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Prevention (was extracting -- advice needed) Date: 17 Oct 1994 16:01:44 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <37u758$hu3@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> References: <36gnem$r25@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <36hvtk$hpn$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Allen Dick 546-2588 (dicka@cuug.ab.ca) wrote: > Wax moth is not a problem usually in the country where winters have > periods well below freezing and the supers are stored in unheated > buildings over winter. > If problems occur, it is usually in brood chambers and where the combs > have held some warmth - say due to sun on a wall, and there has been some > insulating effect -say due to many supers stacked tightly together. > : I wonder what some of those really big commercial beekeepers out west do? > -- > W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK > Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 > Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA We are a fairly good sized commercial beekeeper out west, and we just burn a sulfer compound in the shop where we keep the hives. We do this roughly about every two weeks, it kills the wax moths and keeps our hives clean. From kmdrach@delphi.com Thu Oct 20 11:38:34 EDT 1994 Article: 915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!kmdrach From: kmdrach@delphi.com (Kerry Drach) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thin honey: Mystery is solved! Date: 17 Oct 1994 20:15:30 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9410171610591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Kerry Drach I want to thank everyone (Dave, Adam, and Mark; hope I didn't forget anyone) who responded to my query about thin honey. I really appreciate the thought you all put into my problem. As it turns out, the problem was simple. I had put the honey in a container which I then placed in a hot water bath in order to raise the temperature to remove air bubbles. As it turned out, unbeknownst to me, the holding container had a substantial leak, and the hot water seeped in. My honey was watery because it was full of water! I guess I will gradually learn the ins and outs of beekeeping. I am relieved to know what the problem was. Now I am thinking of returning the thin honey to the bees as they need food over the next few months. Is there anything wrong with that plan? Kerry Drach Portland, Maine From altabios@bham.ac.uk Thu Oct 20 11:38:35 EDT 1994 Article: 916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, MY BEES ARE DYING. Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:29:36 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 7 Message-ID: <380f3g$3fk@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <37sltm$rms@acmey.gatech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article <37sltm$rms@acmey.gatech.edu>, gt6861c@prism.gatech.edu (Roger Khoury) says: > Never had that sort of a problem before. Have the hives been treated with something? If so it's most probably the cause. Can't think of any bee disease that would kill all of them off that quickly. See if there is any brood, if not, you were sold sub-quality stock. From altabios@bham.ac.uk Thu Oct 20 11:38:36 EDT 1994 Article: 917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: observation hives Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:40:29 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 17 Message-ID: <380fnt$3fk@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <37scdi$mpo@mark.ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article <37scdi$mpo@mark.ucdavis.edu>, rchamman@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Rebecca Hammann) says: Having just typed the latter part of this message I have just realised that an observation hive is just single frames stacked one above the other. The bees are simply short of space, I suspect that there isn't much you can do. (this is the message I originally typed) ...... The bees could well be short of brood space. My understanding is that when the workers can't find enough space in the brood chamber, they decide it is time to swarm, to find that extra space elsewhere. What I do is to put a super with empty frames under the brood chamber. In a good year the bees will fill the empty frames with comb and it gives them the extra space they want The comb is removed in very early spring, ready for the next season. I have used this for 10 years and it seems to work very well in reducing swarming. spring. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu Oct 20 11:38:37 EDT 1994 Article: 918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!hookup!cato.Direct.CA!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Where do you live? Sender: usenet@cuug.ab.ca Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:20:03 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 23 Hi, Beekeepers! Thanks to all of you with .signature files that explain where you are. When questions about bees are asked - as they often are, the location of the beekeeper and the hives is going to affect the likely explanation a lot. If your location is obvious, many more people will answer than if they have to have to research where exactly you might be first. Are you in Equador, Antarctica, USA, or where. Is it summer or winter? Spring or fall? Sometimes the email address doesn't explain much and even if the email address gives a location, are you actually there, or half a world away? TIA Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Thu Oct 20 11:38:38 EDT 1994 Article: 919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: You Can't Take That to the Bank - Beekeeping Philosophy Date: 19 Oct 1994 08:27:59 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 8 Message-ID: <382laf$oem@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: <299@cthoneybee.win.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article <299@cthoneybee.win.net>, Charles Howe wrote: [sickly story and preaching deleted] This sort of stuff makes me want to vomit. -Norman From smp@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au Thu Oct 20 11:38:39 EDT 1994 Article: 920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!smp From: smp@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Steven Psaradellis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sorry about that! Date: 20 Oct 1994 06:53:14 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38544q$3cq@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-NNTP-Posting-User: smp I apologise for the previous forwarding of an article I pressed the wrong key! ;^) Stelios From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu Oct 20 11:38:40 EDT 1994 Article: 921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,bionet.biology.tropical,bionet.general,rec.backcountry,rec.birds,rec.gardens,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.ethology,sci.bio.evolution Subject: RESULT: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera passes 212:21 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 19 Oct 1994 17:37:48 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 387 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:4984 news.groups:97195 bionet.biology.tropical:232 bionet.general:10685 rec.backcountry:57165 rec.birds:13140 rec.gardens:46354 sci.agriculture:1919 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:921 sci.bio:18566 sci.bio.ecology:6516 sci.bio.ethology:1122 sci.bio.evolution:2174 RESULT unmoderated group sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera passes 212:21 There were 212 YES votes and 21 NO votes, for a total of 233 valid votes. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Lepidoptera (Butterflies & Moths). This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Christopher Majka CHARTER Preamble -------- Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is an unmoderated newsgroup to provide a forum for the discussion of all aspects of lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) and topics pertaining to them both on an amateur and professional level. It is *not* intended as a forum for commercial transactions with respect to lepidoptera. Sphere of Interest ------------------ Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is dedicated to the observation, study, history, art, photography, conservation, rearing, and responsible collecting of butterflies and moths. It also welcomes discussions and inquires which pertain to the ecology, behavior, systematics, taxonomy, evolution and other spheres of the biology of lepidoptera. Examples of the above might include: * Observation: If you observe butterflies and moths, this group is a place where you can share information on interesting sightings, and find out about sites to visit and museum exhibits. * Study: Whether you're a high school science student making a presentation for your science class, an entomology graduate student specializing in Lepidoptera, or a farmer or gardener concerned about caterpillars eating your crops, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera.can be used as a resource for learning. * History: The history of the study of lepidoptera includes many interesting personalities, debates, books, theories, etc. If you are interested in this sphere of the history of science, this forum can be a place where you can share your knowledge and make inquires on topics of interest. * Art: Many cultures have an appreciation of the beauty of butterflies and moths. If you have an interest in butterfly images in art, music, or literature this is a place where you can discuss your interests. * Photography: The photography of butterflies and moths is an area which is growing more popular. If you have ideas or inquiries about cameras, lenses, films and other photographic techniques as they pertain to lepidoptera, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera can be a forum to discuss these. * Conservation: Many species of butterflies and moths have become threatened by habitat destruction. Conservation can include everything >from legislative efforts to the simple expedient of growing caterpillar food plants in your garden. Discussions of conservation policy are welcome. * Rearing: Butterfly-gardening and caterpillar-rearing are are becoming ever more popular. Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is a place to learn rearing techniques from others involved in the practice. * Responsible collecting: When made for educational or research purposes, insect collections can have an important role. Collecting sites and techniques can be discussed on this newsgroup. We encourage participating collectors to obey wildlife regulations, to be aware of which species in their areas are threatened or endangered, and to avoid collecting on private property or in restricted areas without prior permission. Efforts to encourage trespassing or to subvert conservation laws are emphatically NOT welcome on this newsgroup. All participants are expected to respect the environment and the law. Sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera is not intended as a forum for the buying and selling of insect specimens nor as a venue for commercial collectors to advertise their wares. Collectors who wish to do so should communicate through private EMail. * The Biology of Lepidoptera: while not intended as a substitute for professional entomological journals, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera does encourage scientific discussions which deal with aspects of the ecology, behavior, systematics, taxonomy, genetics, evolution and other areas of lepidopteran biology. We hope that sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera can be a place where amateur and professional lepidopterists can rub electronic shoulders to their mutual benefit. * In order to facilitate access to this newsgroup to as broad an Internet constituency as possible, arrangements are underway to provide a gated mailing list for the group so that interested parties who do not have Usenet access can also participate. It is our hope that such a facility will also include archiving and indexing capabilities. * If participants are so inclined sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera may develop FAQ's which address topics in different spheres of the study of lepidoptera. Examples might include: * Design of butterfly gardens and plants which attract lepidoptera. * Techniques of collecting preparing, preserving and photographing lepidoptera. * Suppliers of equipment related to the study of butterflies and moths. * Lists of books and journals related to lepidoptera. * Electronic resources (WWW & Gopher servers, FTP archives, Listservers, etc.) related to the study of lepidoptera. * Environmental and other regulations pertaining to the collecting of lepidoptera. * Information on the rearing of lepidoptera. RATIONALE --------- At present, there are no other newsgroups where discussion pertaining to this topic can properly occur. The pre-existing entomology Listervers, & are general in their entomological interest and do not focus specifically on lepidoptera. This Usenet group would be a natural outgrowth of the recently established Lepidoptera Listserver . Over the past few months there has been a considerable degree of interest expressed by professional and amateur lepidopterists in creating a forum for the discussion of all topics which pertain to the study of lepidoptera (butterflies and moths). The consensus seems to be that a Usenet Group would be the preferred vehicle of expressing this interest. We, the proponents, issued a formal RFD in July and have received an overwhelmingly positive response to it. Therefore we are continuing the process and are calling a formal Call For Votes (CFV) with respect to the creation of sci.bio.entomology. lepidoptera. sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2566vmatt@umbsky.cc.umb.edu 74277.3230@CompuServe.COM Donald Frack @gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:JMA@lal JULIO M. ARIAS, U. OF FLORIDA - CRE aa095@cfn.cs.dal.ca Peter Payzant aa984@cfn.cs.dal.ca Sheilagh Hunt aa995@cfn.cs.dal.ca Diane Moore aa999@cfn.cs.dal.ca Barbara Richman acarmichae@wcupa.edu Carmichael, Alison G. ae779@lafn.org Pierre A Plauzoles AHEDINGT@KENTVM.KENT.EDU a.b.hedington Anthony_Ashlee@FINANCIAL-AID.ucsd.edu aow@MPA-Garching.MPG.DE Arno G. Weiss ashley@mwsc.edu David Ashley barb@forsci.ualberta.ca Barb Beck bcy1@midway.uchicago.edu Benjamin Young bidam@flinders.edu.au Dr. Duncan Mackay birchall@pilot.njin.net Dan Birchall blkorbe@gw.PacBell.COM B Korbelik blm@halcyon.com Brian L. 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Miller sledge@hammer.oche.de Thomas Bueschgens sommers@oti-hsv.com Brian Sommers zcakkp6@ucl.ac.uk zcakkp6 From london@SunSITE.unc.edu Thu Oct 20 16:30:59 EDT 1994 Article: 922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!london From: london@SunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,bionet.mycology Subject: sunSITE archives Date: 20 Oct 1994 17:50:49 GMT Organization: SunSITE, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 259 Message-ID: <386alp$16j7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:922 bionet.mycology:968 |For rec.gardeners: |Newsgroups: rec.gardens |Subject: How to get to gardening FAQs, archives - UPDATE Accessing Resources At sunSITE.unc.edu -------------------------------------- WAIS (also available via telnet) World Wide Web (also available via telnet, lynx available for vt100 users) URL: http://sunsite.unc.edu anonymous ftp ftpmail (Send e-mail to ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu for helpfile on ftpmail usage) Gopher (also available via telnet) Type=1+ Name=Sustainable Agriculture Information Path=1/sunsite.d/sus-ag.d Host=president.oit.unc.edu Port=70 Admin=Jonathan Magid and Chris Colomb, 919-962-6501 ModDate=Mon Oct 17 20:27:16 1994 <19941017202716> URL: gopher://president.oit.unc.edu:70/11/sunsite.d/sus-ag.d telnet Login: (follow login instructions for access to WAIS, gopher, ftp, lynx) (vt100 works fine) Navigating FTP Directories and Gopher Menus: -------------------------------------------- Anonymous ftp: ftp sunSITE.unc.edu Login: anonymous Password: (enter your Internet E-Mail ID) cd pub/academic cd agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd sunSITE-Sustainable-Agriculture cd gardening/gardening-faqs cd pub/academic/agriculture/rural-skills cd pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare cd pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-resources cd pub/academic/environment/pesticide-education Gopher: The Worlds of sunSITE Sustainable Agriculture Information SunSITE Sustainable Agriculture Information sunSITE-Sustainable-Agriculture gardening gardening-faqs links to: Rural Skills: etc. Alternative Energy Alternative Healthcare Pesticide Education - other Gopher sites with ag/gardening information The Worlds of SunSITE browse sunSITE archives academic agriculture sustainable_agriculture sunSITE-Sustainable-Agriculture gardening gardening-faqs rural-skills The Worlds of sunSITE browse sunSITE archives academic environment alternative energy energy-resources The Worlds of sunSITE browse sunSITE archives academic medicine alternative healthcare The Worlds of sunSITE browse sunSITE archives academic environment pesticide education About the Archives: ------------------- Newsgroup, mailing-list, newsletter archives/documents/FAQs on sustainable agriculture, permaculture, IPM, landscaping, gardening, farming, rural skills, horticulture, metalworking, woodworking, weather, housebuilding, food, cooking, nutrition, ecology, environment, pesticide education, health and safety, survivalism, beekeeping, food preservation, alternative: healthcare, energy, architecture, housing, communities and many other related topics. 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University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, N.C., U.S.A. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sat Oct 22 21:15:01 EDT 1994 Article: 923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thin honey: Mystery is solved! Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 02:13:36 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <9410171610591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au >I guess I will gradually learn the ins and outs of beekeeping. I am >relieved to know what the problem was. Now I am thinking of returning the >thin honey to the bees as they need food over the next few months. Is there >anything wrong with that plan? The main problemn I can think of is that the hhoney will probably ferment. Heating it may hjave killed of the naturally occuring yeasts, but I wouldn't want to take that risk. I don't know for sure that it would have a detrimental effect on the bees....any one else know for sure?? Adrian. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Oct 22 21:15:02 EDT 1994 Article: 924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: October Issue of _Apis_ magazine Message-ID: Keywords: Apis, bee, honeybee, Sanford, beekeeping Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:45:05 GMT Lines: 257 FILENAME: OCTAPIS.94 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 10, October 1994 APIS AND THE WORLD WIDE WEB Back in the mid 1980s, I first reported that this newsletter was available through BITNET, an academic computing network. It was a real advance for me at the time. Later, the Internet came into being and the newsletter was put up on that network as well as a remote bulletin board system (RBBS). Then, in January 1994, and almost in shock, I wrote that APIS was available on the Internet through File Transfer Protocol (FTP) and Gopher, something I found serendipitously while searching what is known as "gopherspace." In May 1994, I reported that the last two years of this newsletter were placed on The Ohio State University's Gopher and made key-word searchable. Well, the accelerator on the information superhighway has been pressed again! The University of Florida campus information system has become a reality and so has Alachua County Freenet, giving any local citizen free access to the Internet. The IFAS Online information facility, which used to only be accessible to those with accounts on our college of agriculture minicomputer, has also been "gopherized," and is now available to the electronic world. It contains the last four year's issues of APIS. Meanwhile, a program capable of searching or browsing the Internet using all the present electronic tools (FTP, GOPHER), plus its own interface which includes graphics and sound, has taken the Internet by storm. It's called Mosaic, and uses a language that helps link documents together. Because of the linking feature, Mosaic gives us a new way of looking at information via what is called the World-Wide Web (WWW). Fortunately, besides Mosaic, a free program for those who know how to get it, several alternatives are available that support graphics (i.e. Cello) or just text (i.e. Lynx). Either way, WWW is fast becoming the preferred way to get on the information superhighway. This is accomplished through uniform resource locators or URLs. And APIS now has its own URL: http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.htm I look forward to comments from those using this resource. You can contact me electronically at mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu or use the traditional address or telephone number at the end of this and all issues of APIS. SECOND ANNUAL SEMINAR A SUCCESS By any measure, the second annual beekeeping seminar in Florida's Panhandle at Blackwater State Forest Training Center in Santa Rosa County exceeded expectations. Some fifty-five eager beekeepers attended the event, expanded from last year to include Friday evening. As always, the open-hive demonstrations were the highlight. This seminar also boasted the attendance of Dr. Jim Tew, Extension Apiculturist at The Ohio State University, and Dr. Evan Sugden who is affiliated with Kentucky State University. The organizers, especially one of Florida's newest bee inspectors, Joe Robinson, should be congratulated for putting together a well-run, informative event. Others interested in developing local beekeeping training events of this nature would do well to contact the organizers for their ideas. AHB IN PUERTO RICO Although there may be some good news for Florida beekeepers reported in the July 1994 APIS about the African honey bee (AHB) stalling in Texas, there was some disquieting news from Puerto Rico. Because of a number of recent finds often near ports, the island may soon be declared infested by the Animal Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS). The message is clear. AHB can be introduced via ships, and Florida beekeepers and regulators should not let their guard down in trying to detect introductions of this successful biological pioneer. NEW NUTRITION LABEL: WHO IS EXEMPT? Who has not seen the new nutrition label that was implemented earlier this year? The idea is to make nutritional information as simple as possible while ensuring that most foods have both a label and list of ingredients. Time will tell whether this goal will be met. Meanwhile, the immediate question arose as to whether small- scale honey marketers fall under this food-labeling legislation. The good news is that outfits doing less than $500,000 per year gross sales are automatically exempt from nutritional labeling requirements. And those exceeding this gross sales figure, but doing less than $50,000 in food sales, are also exempt. The exemptions are automatic and require no notification of either the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. There is one big caveat, however. Any nutritional claims about a product void these exemptions. Thus, advice that something is "healthy," "packed with energy," or "low in fat" automatically requires full nutritional labeling. To be safe, the best bet is to only say the product is "pure honey." Although a good sales tool, this phrase is redundant because by definition any product labeled as honey must be "pure"--that is, not adulterated in any way. Any labels that are even a little questionable should be faxed to Ms. Betsy Woodward, Chief, Food and Residue Laboratories, Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, ph 904/488-0670, FAX 904/487-6573, for her opinion. A label change for Florida that many may not yet know about is that a dual English/metric declaration is now required on honey products [i.e. 1lb (454g)]. Ms. Woodward will be providing up-to- date labeling information at the Florida State Beekeepers Association meeting in Ft. Myers in late October. Questions about labeling for the FDA should go to the Office of Food Labeling at the FDA's Center for Foods, ph 202/205-5229. FLORIDA BEEKEEPERS ASSOCIATION MEETS IN FT. MYERS The Florida State Beekeepers Association will be meeting October 27-29, at the Lani Kai Island Resort, 1400 Estero Blvd, Ft. Myers Beach, FL 33931, ph 813/463-3111. The traditional barbecue is set for Thursday evening. A baking contest will also take place; entries should be delivered to the registration desk by 4:00 p.m. Thursday, October 27. Friday will consist of the program, a luncheon (bring a "BEE" related gift) and the annual banquet. Finally, the business meeting will conclude the event on Saturday, October 29. The cutoff time for early registration is October 15 at $20 (after that it costs $25). Send checks to E. Cutts, 2237 N.W. 16th Ave., Gainesville, FL 32605, ph 904/378-7719. The special hotel rates are $49.95 single or double (king or double beds) or the efficiency room, including a small kitchen, for $59.95. These rates are for the Florida State Beekeepers Association meeting only (regular prices are almost double). Rooms are limited and reservations should be made as soon as possible. THE VARROA SWITCH Dr. Roger Hoopingarner in his September B-Plus Newsletter from Michigan State University discusses a concept he calls the "Varroa mite switch." In the late summer and fall, as honey bee colonies stop rearing drones, Varroa mites find their preferred hosts in short supply. Mite predation, therefore, generally "switches" from drone to worker brood. As Dr. Hoopingarner says, "This switch occurs the last part of August and September...If the same life shortening effect (it is thought Varroa predation reduces worker life expectancy by as much as one-third!) occurs in these 'winter bees' that affects bees during the summer then the colony will lose many bees early in the winter cycle." Although writing for his part of the country, the "Varroa switch" probably plays the same role throughout the United States. Even sunny Florida is not immune. Winter bees are just as important in the South, even more so in areas where little forage is available. Although workers have more flying time, they may be using valuable capital (energy and longevity) that their northern sisters are happily conserving in their winter cluster. Dr. Hoopingarner says the only way to increase individual and, thus, colonial longevity, is to treat for mites when winter bees are being produced. This means August and September in Michigan. Beekeepers waiting longer until a colony is broodless risk their bees being heavily damaged by mite predation, leading to less overwintering success. Dr. Hoopingarner also suggests leaving the strips in for the maximum period at this time to kill as many exposed mites as possible. The bottom line in Michigan, he concludes, is protecting winter bees. Then beekeepers only have to worry about nosema and adequate food. In Florida, broodless times are all too rare, even in November and December, and the same advice applies. Short circuiting the Varroa switch gives the bees the best opportunity to come through winter ready for spring buildup. VEGETABLE OIL AND TRACHEAL MITES In the September 1994 issue of APIS, I discussed Terramycin (R) use in extender patties. Vegetable oil is used mainly for controlling American foulbrood by "carrying" the antibiotic, oxytetracycline, into the bee colony. However, there is evidence that patties in and of themselves will also help control tracheal mite infestation. This led to an investigation by Diana Sammataro and colleagues at The Ohio State University reported in the Journal of Economic Entomology, Vol. 87, No. 4, August 1994, pp. 910-916. Two experiments were conducted: 1) summer application of oil patties in 1991 to see if mite levels in the subsequent fall were affected and 2) continuous exposure of colonies throughout the 1992-1993 season. In the first study, a two-time (6 June and 23 July) application of oil patties did not affect mite populations. Mite levels were the same in treated colonies as in controls (not treated). The authors concluded that "well populated, established colonies already infested with mites gained no protection from oil patties when fed twice at peak bee populations." The second test was undertaken at two sites to see if continuous application would fare any better. Here significantly lower levels of mites were found in treated colonies than in controls. Mite populations in untreated colonies peaked between November and February, sometimes exceeding 30 percent. In treated colonies, the mite level rarely exceeded 10 percent. Some general observations during the second experiment merit reflection. There were differences seen between the two sites. Site one had greater loss of untreated colonies (four out of six). One colony died of starvation and three with heavy fecal soiling appeared to have had high levels of nosema as well as mites. The nectar flows were also poorer at this location. At the second site, two untreated colonies had low mite levels throughout the year. This may have been because they were manipulated (split and requeened) later than other colonies. Two more survived the winter despite high (51 percent-92 percent) mite levels, and only one died. Of the queens dissected at Site 2, some had blackened tracheae, considered caused by mite feeding, whereas others had light to no infestation. Two queens were also found to be heavily infested with amoebae (Malpighamoeba mellificae Prell). An overriding observation in this study was that in colonies that survived winter infestation, mite levels appeared to decline as the bee population rose in spring. This suggests an analogy to the situation discussed above for Varroa mites. The graphical representations also show that most differences in tracheal mite levels between treated and untreated groups were from August through February, critical times for colonies to successfully winter. The authors conclude: "Our study shows that oil treatment interferes with one or more aspects of the mite's life cycle. The continuous presence of an oil patty with or without Terramycin helped lower tracheal mite populations and increased colony survivorship." Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU -- ============================================================================ Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu =============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Sat Oct 22 21:15:02 EDT 1994 Article: 925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees on toxic plants? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 22:58:17 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <5r7ekaE96JgV071yn@world.std.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz In article <5r7ekaE96JgV071yn@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > I have heard mountain laurel honey (related to rhododendron) is toxic but > bees don't care for its nectar/pollen so don't work it if there's anything > else available. This is good since I have plenty of mountain laurel around > here yet I have never seen a honeybee interested in them. Dandelion blooms > at the same time. In the warmer parts of New Zealand I've heard that there's a native plant (tutu?) that is harvested by bees and is toxic to humans; beekeepers in affected areas don't harvest the honey till well after its flowering time, by which time it has been used by the bees. Could someone confirm? -- _______________________________________________ Owen Watson, The Royal Society of New Zealand Web server: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ From rdr@law.cua.edu Sat Oct 22 21:15:03 EDT 1994 Article: 926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news.cua.edu!fac40.law.cua.edu!rdr From: rdr@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) Subject: Looking for a Hive in DC Message-ID: Lines: 23 Sender: news@news.cua.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Catholic University of America X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:37:06 GMT I want to start keeping bees in my backyard in DC. I could use some net-advice. Anybody in the DC area with a hive for sale? When I find one, what should I expect to pay? Is the beginning of winter an appropriate time to start, or will the bees be disoriented and lose their way? Are there any city restrictions and ordinances I should know about (like - maybe it's illegal to keep bees in the city, kind like firing a handgun?) I'm checking my phone book and find 'Ernie's Apiary' in Walkerstown, MD. Anybody with experience dealing with Ernie? My real goal is as a winemaker, to have my own honey for mead. But I started reading about bees and it seems pretty cool. I think I'll be able to have one (or two) hives in my yard. Rick Regan Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law Washington, DC regan@law.cua.edu From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Sat Oct 22 21:15:04 EDT 1994 Article: 927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!caen!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Re: Looking for a Hive in DC Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:56:56 GMT Lines: 20 Rick, Congratulations on getting into beekeeping..I just started keeping bees this year and I have three hives. I don't have any to sell however... I live in Silver Spring, MD so I'm not too far away from you. Ernie is a good guy..I know him from the Montgomery Country Beekeeper meetings... Oh, sorry to tell you this, but I think it is illegal to keep bees in the District. I don't know if they enforce the regulations.. The biggest problem you're going to run into is water...bees need a good supply of water. Your neighbors swimming pool is a good source but your neighbors may not like that..You can provide them with water.. Spring is the best time to start a hive..bees need time to build up supplies for the winter or you're going to have to feed them to get them through... I'm feeding one of my hives...it was a nuc (for nucleus) that I bought >from a beekeeper friend for $35. Package bees are about $27 for three pounds...I can get you more info if you need it. Drop me a note..I would be glad to hook you up with some local beekeepers.. Regards, Lary Kellogg k From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Sat Oct 22 21:15:04 EDT 1994 Article: 928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: Re: Help, MY BEES ARE DYING. Message-ID: Sender: news@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (news account) Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services References: <37sltm$rms@acmey.gatech.edu>, Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:11:32 GMT Lines: 20 The USDA provides a free diagnostic service for bee diseases(not poisonings). You can send 200 sick or newly dead bees in cardboard or wood container(like a matchbox).Name and address on container and/or letter include pertanant info/disease symptoms.Bioenvironmental Bee Labratory, Beltsville Agricultural Research Center-East, Bldg.476,Room 200,Beltsville, MD.20705, U.S.A. They also do brood diseases(comb sample 4X4 inches pack so it wont mold) according to Enc. of Beekeeping,"Morse, Hooper", they also handle int'l samples. I've used them, they're pretty quick and seem to be thorough, you can't beat the price; "your tax dollar at work" Regards,lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu In article , adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) writes: > Georgia has a very good Apiary inspection service. >Before anyone else messes with you, why don't you try talking to a bee >inspector or your state apiarist. > If you need help finding these #'s let me know. >Adam >-- >============================================================================ > Adam Finkelstein adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >=============================================== |Bees To Please| ======= From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Oct 22 21:15:05 EDT 1994 Article: 929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!ctc.com!news.mic.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!cato.Direct.CA!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Thin honey: Some more ideas Sender: usenet@cuug.ab.ca Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:50:55 GMT References: <9410171610591.DLITE.kmdrach@delphi.com> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 84 Sugar as feed should be best, however thin honey should be no problem unless it is noticably fermented, in which case holding at a fairly hot, non - boiling temperature for a while will drive off the alcohol. This is what we do if we have a drum of syrup that gets high. Seems to work. The bees can handle some alcohol when they are strong and the season is ideal, but in the spring and fall, I am leary of stressing them or having the feed rejected. Thin honey as feed should be no problem. Beaverlodge research used large amounts of thinned white honey syrup for their experiment on bees drawing comb after the main flow was over due to lack of funds to buy sugar. You see, as a byproduct of keeping bees for scientific research, they found themselves with some honey. If they sold the honey the money went to general revenue and then they couldn't get money back for the experiment - government! So they fed back the honey. I've done it too, but find some honies don't make a good feed compared to sugar syrup. I think someone suggested making mead. Here's my formula: Start with a drum 2/3 full of chlorinated water. Add about 120 lbs of the best liquid honey you have. (a bit more if you want sweet mead). Stir. Add ten packages champagne yeast, 300 ml of citic acid, 450 ml dibasic ammonium phosphate. Cover. Wait until all activity has ceased (a few weeks). Temperatures in the 70 degree range are ideal for fermentation and storage. Siphon into one gallon plasic milk jugs that have been sterilised with bleach and rinsed. Leave the lids ever so slightly loose, and store in a dark place at room temp as long as you can. A year is about right, but it is drinkable in weeks, especially if put in the fridge a few days before so the yeast settle. Be sure to pour off carefully and avoid the dregs. Cost? about $2.50/gallon. P.A.? - about 12 - 15%. nature? - dry. If it is too dry, add a little honey in the glass, as the Romans did. Note: as you can see from the formula, I hate chemicals in my wine. The dibasic ammonium phosphate (yeast food available at a self-brew type store) is essential though for the yeasts to finish their work. I found the fermentation always 'stuck' at about two thirds done when I used the amount recommended for wine - and wouldn't finish working. I experimented and found that this amount allows completion and, I assume leaves very little in the mead. I checked with poison control centre and they tell me it is not vey toxic anyhow - it is a diuretic. This mead, if you are clean in your handling of the supplies and materials, should be free of things that cause headaches. Thin honey is also wonderful pancake syrup, but keep it in the fridge. Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent (roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote: : >I guess I will gradually learn the ins and outs of beekeeping. I am : >relieved to know what the problem was. Now I am thinking of returning the : >thin honey to the bees as they need food over the next few months. Is there : >anything wrong with that plan? : The main problemn I can think of is that the hhoney will probably ferment. : Heating it may hjave killed of the naturally occuring yeasts, but I wouldn't : want to take that risk. I don't know for sure that it would have a : detrimental effect on the bees....any one else know for sure?? : Adrian. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper ARS VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Oct 22 21:15:06 EDT 1994 Article: 930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Looking for a Hive in DC Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 19:46:41 GMT Lines: 11 Rick, your mail is bouncing. If I may be so biased, you have a Virginia state inspector, John Mcghee right near you in N. VA. Why don't you email him and use all the resources he has to offer? He is John Mcghee. mcghee@hopper.itc.virginia.edu Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Oct 22 21:15:07 EDT 1994 Article: 931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Message-ID: Followup-To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Keywords: FAQ, beekeeping, bees, apis, honey, pollen, hive Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 11:35:10 GMT Lines: 298 sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ 10/20/94 This is FAQ #5 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. **Note** Excellent information may be obtained on grease patty use and manufacture in the September _Apis_ magazine, available at many of the following archive sites and at the new WWW server for _Apis_ magazine. The URL is: http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.htm ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. 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Write her for a bibliography, e:mail: wbladmo3@uconnvm.uconn.edu ***** Specialists ***** * John Mcghee, VA Dept of Agriculture Apiary Inspector wishes questions from, and has a list of resources for *beginning beekeepers*. He will focus on practical management and the first years for beekeepers. e:mail mcghee@hopper.itc.virginia.edu * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. e:mail rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. e:mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. e:mail jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. e:mail robbee@crl.com or Anonymous FTP crl.com (see previous section on FTP sites) * Paul Cheng will be coordinating the Bee sting/venom/allergy FAQ. email him with your information/input. email pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees!! To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) FAQ List The following list of frequently asked questions was compiled by Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) Folks? Please answer some of these questions if you can find time. (you'll get your name in the FAQ!) Why did my beehive die? What is the difference between Honey Bees and other stinging insects? How do I recognize a honey bee? Why do Bees Sting? What Should I do if there are bees flying all around me? What is the best treatment for a bee sting? Is it true that all bees/honeybees will more likely attack things that are tall/dark/furry-hairy/smelly (what kind of smells?) ? What is an African Bee, and how do I recognize it? Why are African Bees called "Killer Bees?" Are African Bees really dangerous? Do I have to worry about African Bees? (will African Bees be moving into my neighborhood?) How far north will the "killer Bees" get, and when? Bibliography of children's books on bees. Bibliography of beekeeping texts. Bibliography of biology (habitat, parasites, etc.) Protective gear. Finding Queens. Regulatory and research people and their addresses. AHB Progress and news. What is the National Honey Board? How do I find a local beekeeper? What is a swarm -are they dangerous Are their different races of honeybees? What are they and how do they differ? Supering. Honey Production. Queen Rearing. Social Order. Lore. Bee Deterrent? Swarm removal. Thanks, Rick rshough@tasc.com Adam adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com Tue Oct 25 12:31:06 EDT 1994 Article: 932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!sfov1.verifone.com!mike_j2 From: mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com (Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for a Hive in DC Message-ID: <1994Oct24.161132.1764@sfov1.verifone.com> Date: 24 Oct 94 16:11:32 -0800 References: Organization: VeriFone Inc. Lines: 39 (Rick Regan) writes: > Is the beginning of winter an appropriate time to start,.... I'll jump in here and pass on the advice that was given to me. Try to find a local beekeepers organization, hopefully one that leans more towards the educational rather than social end of the hobby or business. Then spend this winter reading books, subscribing to magazines, ordering catalogs, going to the library, and those sorts of things. Since you are in D.C., go check out the Smithsonians observation hive in their museum of natural science. You might even be able to arrange a meeting with their beekeeper since you are in the area. The local club I'm a member of here in N. California gives a free beekeeping class for beginners in the spring, maybe you can find a group near you giving similar lessons. Then, once you have read anything you can get your hands on, perhaps found a local beekeeper and helped him or her work with their bees, have your bee suit or veil and smoker and hive tools. Then you'll be better informed to begin to keep bees. You might use this winter to order wood and start building up your hive boxes and frames. Basically get everything ready for the spring and the bee's natural build-up period. Get your medications noted and scheduled, prepare a calender of what happens locally, when your local honey flows are, what local restrictions you may have to contend with. Also see if you have a local county agricultural extension agent. They are a good source of information, and can often point you towards some good helpfull people or clubs. Plus your local 4H clubs may have beekeepers. Then, lastly, don't get discouraged if your first year does not give you a big harvest. It will take your bees the first year to build up the foundation combs, plus you'll be learning how to deal with them and manage them for your local area. You'll learn about swarms, and mites, and flowers, and stings, and if all goes well you'll learn a better appreciation for the little buzzing honey bee. mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com | just a small time hobbyist, but that's okay. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Oct 26 10:53:41 EDT 1994 Article: 933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Magnetic attraction Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 06:34:16 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <9410051538.PN29619@LL.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au In article dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) writes: >: > with some itch a few days later. A sting over my eye last >: > night had my eye swollen shut however. Has anyone else >I think that parts of the body that are stung often swell less, but >unstung parts remain more sensitive - but perhaps that is why we seldom >permit them to be stung. I think another possible explanation (I have no evidence to support it, so....I could be wrong...) is that there is more flesh on the arms so swelling can go "inward" as well as outward. With places like eyes, and other spots on the skull, there is bone more immediately beneath the skin, so the swelling can only go outward. Adrian. From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Wed Oct 26 10:53:42 EDT 1994 Article: 934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: USDA: Honey Bees Used As A Biological Control Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 00:06:59 GMT Lines: 69 Date: 25 Oct 94 16:33:00 EDT From: "LISA SPURLOCK" USDA Agricultural Research Service Sean Adams Information Staff, Greenbelt, Md. (301) 344-2723 BUSY BEES COULD TAKE ON NEW PEST-CONTROL ROLE WASHINGTON, Oct. 24--A typical worker honeybee flies 500 miles and can search thousands of flowers for pollen and nectar that it carries back to the beehive. Now U.S. Department of Agriculture scientists are using these female bees to drop something off during their travels--an environmentally friendly virus that kills crop pests. Scientists with USDA's Agricultural Research Service have patented a device that dusts honeybees with a virus-talc powder mixture when they leave the beehive. As the bees buzz >from flower to flower, the virus and powder rub off their feet and legs and onto the blossoms. The virus is harmless to honeybees, but knocks down populations of corn earworms that cause millions of dollars in damage to crops, said John Hamm of the agency's Insect Biology and Population Management Research Laboratory in Tifton, Ga. The virus-dusting device was developed by the late agency entomologist Harry Gross, agency technician Raydene Johnson and beekeeper J.C. Walters. The patent, number 5,348,511, was issued on Sept. 20. "Field studies show that the bees do a great job of carrying the virus from one crimson clover flower to another," Hamm said. "They're really ideal carriers because they work hard and visit so many plants." A bee has a foraging life among flowers of 15 to 20 days--until the wings fray and wear out. Hamm, who worked with Gross and cooperators on the biocontrol field studies, said the virus killed from 74 to 87 percent of corn earworm larvae in crimson clover fields where the bees carried the virus, called a nuclear polyhedrosis virus (NPV). That's compared to only 11 to 14 percent mortality in fields where bees were not used. "The studies were done only with NPV and corn earworms, but the beehive device can be used with any biocontrol agent that doesn't harm the bees," he said. That's the case with NPV, which attacks only corn earworms and tobacco budworms and does not hurt bees or other beneficial insects. ARS scientists at Beltsville, Md., have tested NPV in mice and rats and have found no evidence of toxicity, Hamm said. The dusting device fits on the bottom of a standard beehive. It allows the bees to enter unobstructed. But when they leave the hive, they are forced to walk over a pan as they exit. Scientists put a mixture of NPV and talc powder in the pan, so the bees' legs and feet are covered with the mixture. Eric H. Erickson, who heads the ARS Honey Bee Research Lab in Tucson, Ariz., said the new device is timely and "definitely should be pursued. It should be especially appealing to beekeepers who rent their bees for pollinating crops." # NOTE TO EDITORS: Contact John Hamm, entomologist, Insect Biology and Population Management Research Lab, Agricultural Research Service, USDA, Tifton, Ga. 31793. Telephone: (912) 387-2323. END -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Wed Oct 26 10:53:43 EDT 1994 Article: 935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Looking for a Hive in DC Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. References: <1994Oct24.161132.1764@sfov1.verifone.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 07:14:40 GMT Lines: 13 In article <1994Oct24.161132.1764@sfov1.verifone.com>, Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA wrote: >(Rick Regan) writes: > >Since you are in D.C., go check out the Smithsonians observation hive in their >museum of natural science. You might even be able to arrange a meeting with >their beekeeper since you are in the area. This hive is dead from AFB :( -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From mythago@agora.rdrop.com Thu Oct 27 11:06:06 EDT 1994 Article: 936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!mythago From: mythago@agora.rdrop.com (Laurel Halbany) Subject: Urban Hives? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 22:38:33 GMT Lines: 9 Has anyone had experience keeping an apiary in an urban area? I am concerned about whether the bees will find enough food for themselves and honey production (the area we're moving to is residential, but it's still in the city) and about problems with neighbors (people can be very irrational about bees). And if anybody knows of resources for beekeepers in the Portland (Oregon) area, I'd like to hear about that too! From rdr@law.cua.edu Thu Oct 27 21:10:48 EDT 1994 Article: 937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!darwin.sura.net!news.cua.edu!fac40.law.cua.edu!rdr From: rdr@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) Subject: "DC Bans Bees!" Message-ID: Lines: 15 Sender: news@news.cua.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Catholic University of America References: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:28:23 GMT > Rick, >Oh, sorry to tell you this, but I think it is illegal to keep bees >in the District. I don't know if they enforce the regulations.. > Regards, > Lary Kellogg Larry, thanks for the info. You are correct though, "DC Bans Bees!" I spoke with most of the District government this morning, and finally reached a very helpful woman named Tina Harper in Animal Control and Communicable Diseases. She read the regulations to me that said "a hive in not permitted in DC, unless bees are confined in a hive or somehow confined to the owners' property." Oh, well. More middle class 'flight' to the suburbs. I going to call a friend with a big yard, in MD, and put my hive there. Thanks again. Rick Regan From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Thu Oct 27 21:10:49 EDT 1994 Article: 938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watson.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying workers - new research Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:33:36 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 33 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watson.rsnz.govt.nz London, Oct 27 AAP - Old notions about the birds and the bees are being challenged as revolution is threatened by discontented beehive workers. At least that's according to Australian scientific research, which has found evidence of anarchy in the beehive and moves to usurp the queen bee. A team from the School of Genetics and Human Variation at Victoria's La Trobe University said in this week's Nature journal that worker bees had found a way to cheat the system which normally favoured eggs laid by the queen. The researchers, Benjamin Oldroyd, Adam Smolenski, Jean-Marie Cornuet and Ross Crozier, said worker bees often have functional ovaries able to produce fertile male eggs. However, reproduction by worker bees was extremely rare in many species, and that probably was suppressed by a mutual policing behaviour where workers prevented others from laying eggs. In honeybees, eggs laid by the queen are protected and can be identified by smell, while worker-laid eggs, which do not contain the distinctive pheromone, are destroyed by other workers. However, the research team said its DNA tracing of a bee colony at Ipswich, Queensland, had found workers who got around the system. One of the males mating with the queen had passed on an ability to his worker offspring to evade the policing mechanism. His progeny were able to develop ovaries and produce a queen-like pheromone which protected their eggs. Such bees probably were more ``queen-like'' than normal bees, and there was a chance those ``false queens'' could be installed in queenless colonies, the team said. ``This anarchistic behaviour could rapidly spread in honeybee populations,'' the researchers wrote, adding the fitness of those bees is higher than that of workers who can not evade policing. They said their results demonstrated ``a previously unrecognised dynamic equilibrium between reproductive conflict and cooperation''. What that means for the future of the queen bee, and the current orderly but competitive system of the hive, is unknown. From sorind@crash.cts.com Fri Oct 28 21:27:47 EDT 1994 Article: 939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!crash!sorind From: sorind@crash.cts.com (Sorin Damian) Subject: Hives in San Diego area Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:44:45 GMT Message-ID: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 5 New in SD area. I'd like to find apiaries in SD area, addresses/prices..and so on any feedback will be welcomed sorin From hector@cix.compulink.co.uk Fri Oct 28 21:27:48 EDT 1994 Article: 940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!hector From: hector@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Tony Ferris") Subject: Database software Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:48:48 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 13 Hi, Anyone know of any database software for Beekeeping that would work on an Amstrad PCW (CPM)... A customer of mine has 20+ hives in the UK and would like to keep track of them all. I realise that practically any database program could be setup to do this but he's a computer novice and a customised program would be just the job. Regards, Tony From rogerc@dante.exide.com Fri Oct 28 21:27:49 EDT 1994 Article: 941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!dante.exide.com!dante.exide.com!rogerc From: rogerc@dante.exide.com (Roger Chen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping equipment - FOR SALE (Raleigh NC) Date: 26 Oct 1994 15:15:36 GMT Organization: seas Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-ID: <38lrqo$7ah@dante.exide.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inferno.exide.com Though it has been an educational and enjoyable hobby for five years, my priorities are now forcing me to leave beekeeping. I am selling the following equipment, and two working hives as described below: Unassembled hive parts ---------------------- 3 super boxes 9 super frames 2 outside covers 1 inside cover 10 sheets Duragilt 8 1/2 x 16 7/8 (hive body depth) Assembled hive parts -------------------- 2 hive body boxes (no frames) 4 supers, 3 with full comb, 1 with bare Duragilt 3 queen excluders 1 inter-hive frame feeder Misc. hive parts Populated Hives --------------- 1 colony of Italian, crosscombed beyond repair, but an excellent honey producer 1 colony of Midnite hybrid, serviceable, a moderately good producer Other Equipment --------------- Jr. Bench Extractor (Dadant), will take up to 2 hive body sized frames like-new condition Hot knife, excellent condition Medium sized full-body bee suit + veil + hat + gloves 1 pkg Terramycin, unopened 1 pkg Apistan strips, opened, 4 strips removed Will sell all above items for $500 (cash only), but will consider selling individual items _as_long_as_ I sell the populated hives first. Will consider reasonable offers - please inquire to: rogerc@exide.com (Roger Chen) Note: All items located in Raleigh, NC except for one of the hives which is in Durham. From J.D.Holland@massey.ac.nz Fri Oct 28 21:27:50 EDT 1994 Article: 942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!ames!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.massey.ac.nz!ab-pc21!J.D.Holland From: J.D.Holland@massey.ac.nz (John Holland) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: any S.African subscribers Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:07:44 UNDEFINED Organization: Agricultural Economics and Business, Massey Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ab-pc21.massey.ac.nz X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] What's the latest re. the capensis (sp) debacle in SA? From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Sat Oct 29 15:48:00 EDT 1994 Article: 943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey recipies Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 03:33:39 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au Summary: increse my sales.... Hey guys...I am looking for some honey recipies to compile into a series of leaflets as an added selling point with my honey. Any recipies that include honey would be most appreciated. Thanks. Adrian. (roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au) From adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU Sat Oct 29 15:48:01 EDT 1994 Article: 944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU!adamf From: adamf@Hopper.itc.Virginia.EDU (Adam Finkelstein) Subject: Are we missing something? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Public Access Internet at UVa. Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:40:50 GMT Lines: 16 I ran across this in another newsgroup. Borneo? :) Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: bee keeping Message-ID: <6ac_9410280900@psybbs.durham.nc.us> You forgot to mention the Vampire Mite from Borneo who are wiping out entire bee colonies (5,000 of them) in the Frazer Valley. -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From c_dbowen@qualcomm.com Sun Oct 30 23:03:15 EST 1994 Article: 945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!qualcomm.com!usenet From: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com (Don Bowen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hives in San Diego area Date: 28 Oct 1994 20:34:53 GMT Organization: SAS Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38rn9d$ci4@qualcomm.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: don.qualcomm.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article , sorind@crash.cts.com (Sorin Damian) says: > >New in SD area. >I'd like to find apiaries in SD area, addresses/prices..and so on >any feedback will be welcomed >sorin > About the only place in San Diego is in Del Mar. It is east of I5 on Del Mar Heights Rd. It is a couple of miles from the Freway on the left. It is behind a gift shop. THe selection is poor and you will do much better by mail order DonB From libby@igc.apc.org Sun Oct 30 23:03:15 EST 1994 Article: 946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!igc.org!igc.apc.org!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Oct 94 17:53 PDT Subject: Re: Urban Hives? Message-ID: <2149900007@cdp> References: Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 8 We keep 3 hives in our community garden where there's usually lots of food, but even before we got into beekeeping bees from the hives of other beekeepers here in Philly used to visit both our comunity garden and all of our backyards. Portland has a big community gardening program and so there should be a whole bunch of food around. Libby From libby@igc.apc.org Sun Oct 30 23:03:16 EST 1994 Article: 947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!igc.org!igc.apc.org!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Oct 94 17:59 PDT Subject: Re: honey recipies Message-ID: <2149900008@cdp> References: Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 7 Yo, Adrian I think I have some recipes in my files. If we ever get the new computer set up so I can access them easily, I'll upload them for you. Libby From libby@igc.apc.org Sun Oct 30 23:03:17 EST 1994 Article: 948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!igc.org!igc.apc.org!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Oct 94 18:00 PDT Subject: Re: Are we missing something? Message-ID: <2149900009@cdp> References: Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Lines: 5 Hi Adam May we dare hope these Borneo Vampire Mites only love warm weather? Libby From altabios@bham.ac.uk Mon Oct 31 20:28:06 EST 1994 Article: 949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Urban Hives? Date: 31 Oct 1994 12:54:25 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 10 Message-ID: <392pe1$p02@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article , mythago@agora.rdrop.com (Laurel Halbany) says: I can only speak for the UK, but I think that urban areas are in fact better for bees than the country. There are simply more trees and flowers. Acres of wheat or grassland are no good at all. Neighbours have to be carefully considered though. As long as you have a high hedge or fence to force the bees to fly high then you should be OK. You have to ensure that there is no one in the flight path. The odd jar of honey as a present does sweeten things though. From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Mon Oct 31 20:28:07 EST 1994 Article: 950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: excuse me while I ROTFL Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 04:45:55 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-03.cc.monash.edu.au Summary: he he ha ha ho ho Keywords: roll on the floor laughing!!!! Oh deary deary me. I am having a little trouble controlling my mirth. Anybody remember the "hive in the roof" saga? Well...the pest controllers came, destroyed the hive and left. Last week. So, now, only one week later, there are bees there again. Gosh, I don't know why I worried that proffesional pest controllers wouldn't do the job properly. Excuse me. I have to leave now. I want to go and laugh in some peoples faces. They should have listened!!!!!! bwahahahaha....oh no....here come the men in little white coats to take me away!!!!! hahahah hehehehehhehahahahahehehehehahahahaeh Adrian. (no... am perfectly sane.....PERFECTLY!!!!) From mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com Wed Nov 2 20:50:31 EST 1994 Article: 951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!sfov1.verifone.com!mike_j2 From: mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com (Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "DC Bans Bees!" ex Message-ID: <1994Oct31.094401.1825@sfov1.verifone.com> Date: 31 Oct 94 09:44:01 -0800 References: Organization: VeriFone Inc. Lines: 13 > Communicable Diseases. She read the regulations to me that said "a hive in > not permitted in DC, unless bees are confined in a hive or somehow confined > to the owners' property." I guess this means the Smithsonian Institution must have a special exemption. They have an observation hive on a second floor with an exit tube going to the outside. I dare say thoses bees are easily landing on the White House Flowers. Just wondering what kind of exemption the Smithsonian has for their hive. mike_j2 From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Wed Nov 2 20:50:33 EST 1994 Article: 952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:48:51 -0500 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: usa Subject: Re: Urban Hives? Message-ID: References: Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 25 In article , mythago@agora.rdrop.com (Laurel Halbany) wrote: > Has anyone had experience keeping an apiary in an urban area? > I am concerned about whether the bees will find enough food > for themselves and honey production (the area we're moving > to is residential, but it's still in the city) and about > problems with neighbors (people can be very irrational > about bees). My hive in Pennsylvania is in a distinctly suburban environment. There are no houses directly behind ours, but all the rest of the way around are nothing but several miles of homes. The lot is about 1/4 acre. Depending upon the particular year, the bees do from "well enough" to "great" for finding food. I suspect much of it is from trees, but things like berries, flowering lawn weeds and garden flowers are surely sources as well. A friend who has a couple of hives several miles away from mine, but in a similar environment, has had much the same experience. There are a fair number of trees and a tall hedge along the side of my lot. The bees gain altitude immediately to top these obstacles, and thus never seem to bother the neighbors. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From rdr@law.cua.edu Wed Nov 2 20:50:34 EST 1994 Article: 953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news.cua.edu!fac40.law.cua.edu!rdr From: rdr@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) Subject: Amer. Honey Producers' League Message-ID: Summary: looking for info on A.H.P.L. Lines: 14 Sender: news@news.cua.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Catholic University of America Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:27:01 GMT I'm looking for any information on the American Honey Producers' League. I' m interested in any trade associations, independent labor unions, or US political action committees which concern themselves with beekeeping or honey production. I'm working on a project about organizations for small/mid-size agri- businesses. Any bee related info would be helpful. Rick Regan Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law Washington, DC regan@law.cua.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Nov 6 23:26:18 EST 1994 Article: 954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B.Mail 11/94 Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:38:07 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 160 Message-ID: <398bov$dji@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf ==================================================== B.MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. November 1994 ==================================================== Welcome again to B.mail. A brief note for those of you who are seeing this column for the first time. B.mail will announce meetings (mostly international or otherwise major ones) and new publications that are of interest to scientists and beekeepers, as well as reporting current events and discussing topics that are relevant at the moment. What B.mail is NOT is another bulletin board, for people to chat and air their views. It is simply a reference point, with sources of further information identified for those who want to know more. That's our statement of purpose: and don't worry, you won't see it here every month. RESISTANT VARROA? This edition looks at the issue of mite resistance to acaricides, especially varroa's reported resistance to fluvalinate. Those of you who follow only the English language literature might not be aware of the wealth of discussion on this issue, some informed and some, well, not so informed. The issue was first thoroughly aired in Italy, where after some years of varroa treatment with fluvalinate a decrease in efficacy was noted. (Some of the reports talk about treatment with, and resistance to, Apistan. Most of the treatment was with home- made remedies such as plywood strips soaked in an agricultural preparation of fluvalinate, and of course any resistance is to the chemical and not a product). The beekeeping press in Europe has discussed this issue a lot, with headlines ranging from the strident ('Resistances a l'Apistan? Danger!!') to the pensive ('Resistenza della varroa all'Apistan...ma siamo propio sicuri?'). Probably the first report in English on this is 'Possible presence of fluvalinate-resistant strains of varroa in northern Italy' by Norberto Milani in the publication 'New perspectives on varroa', fresh off the presses at IBRA (see below). Dr Milani tells me that he will be publishing a fuller research paper in English soon. GAINING NEW PERSPECTIVES In eastern Europe, the former Soviet-bloc countries, varroa has been a fact of beekeeping life for more than 25 years. The barriers which kept us from sharing in this experience have now gone, and we can learn >from colleagues in that part of the world much more easily. With funding from a European Commission programme IBRA organized a specialist workshop on varroa research, involving about 40 scientists >from countries in eastern and central Europe, the European Union and other parts of western Europe. The results of this workshop are now out. New perspectives on varroa will bring readers up to date with what's happening in European varroa research and beekeeping practice, with contributions from 18 countries. Four review papers look at interactions between varroa and pathogens, breeding honey bees tolerant of varroa, control methods actually and potentially in use, and the impact of this parasite on beekeeping. Twenty-five technical articles are organized into five sections: varroa biology, honey bee susceptibility, chemical control, other control methods, and the issues that varroa poses for beekeeping. There are also reports from discussion groups on current concerns and plans for future research. Many topics important for the future of varroa and beekeeping are under discussion in Europe. Breeding resistant bees, the role of secondary pathogens, non-chemical control, using plant oils and heat treatment against varroa; problems with fluvalinate resistance; developing new chemical controls - are all covered in this volume. SYMPOSIUM: 'WORLD TRADE IN BEES AND BEE PRODUCTS' There are at present exciting developments in the trade of bee products and bees. The concern of honey producers in some countries about cheap imports, the growth in international trade in live bees, and the effects of the recent Gatt round are matters of interest for beekeepers everywhere. To promote informed debate about these issues IBRA is organizing a symposium at the 34th international apicultural congress in Lausanne, Switzerland. 'World trade in bees and bee products' will take place as part of the congress programme, on Wednesday 16 August 1995. Invited speakers from all around the world will present up-to-date information and views on current and likely future patterns in international trade in honey, beeswax, other bee products and live bees. There will be the opportunity for contributed poster presentations. SIXTH IBRA CONFERENCE ON TROPICAL BEES: MANAGEMENT AND DIVERSITY 13-19 August 1996, San Jose Costa Rica The next conference in IBRA's series on bees and apiculture in tropical climates is being organized by IBRA and hosted by the Universidad Nacional Costa Rica. A range of interesting and topical themes is being selected for conference sessions, and the first announcement with these details will be available at the beginning of 1995. Contact: Sixth IBRA Conference on Tropical Bees, 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK. MORE ON TROPICAL BEES AND BEEKEEPING The papers presented at the last IBRA conference on tropical apiculture (Trinidad and Tobago, 1992) are available in the conference proceedings. These contributions come from a wide range of backgrounds and are a valuable source of information on beekeeping in the tropical and subtropical regions of the world. There are sessions on honey bee management, Africanized honey bees, stingless bees, honey bees and the environment, the biology and behaviour of tropical bees, and bee parasites, pests and diseases. ONE MORE MEETING A meeting with a difference, a British institution in fact. The national honey show attracts entries from all over the UK, as well as Ireland and a few from further afield (like the Caribbean). Apart from the show and judging there is a sizeable trade exhibition and a lecture programme over the three days of the event. After a few peripatetic years the honey show has found a home in the new Kensington Town Hall in London, and a fixed date in late November (this year Thursday 24 - Saturday 26). If you're in the area at the time call in! THAT'S IT Send your news to us; we can't guarantee to use it, but it will help to keep this spot topical. (Our contacts are listed at the end of this newsletter). Andrew Matheson Director Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | adamf@hopper.itc.virginia.edu ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 6 23:26:19 EST 1994 Article: 955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!veldhui From: veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excuse me while I ROTFL Date: 4 Nov 1994 01:57:19 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 39 Message-ID: <39c4dv$7pl@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <1994Nov3.104634.1871@sfov1.verifone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mira.cc.umanitoba.ca In article <1994Nov3.104634.1871@sfov1.verifone.com> mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com (Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA) writes: >snip >> Anybody remember the "hive in the roof" saga? > >Let's see now. I suggested that you prepare a paper on the proper or preferred >method of honeybee removal from a structure (in this case, a roof area). Then >I suggested you present the powers that be with that paper, and possibly get a >local "professional" to back up your claims. >Rather than being smug and a little self rightous, and rather than laughing at >the administration's lack of knowledge regarding honeybees, you could instead >now be pointing out that what should have been presented in your paper to them > >Rather than gloat with an "I told you so" attitude, in my opinion you should >jump at the opportunity to educate the administration, present yourself as a >knowledgeable LEVEL HEADED individual, and again offer to remove the bees, the >hive, and waive any liability claims should any accidents occur. > Well this sounds perfectly reasonable: if you think a university administration will go for such an approach you are fooling yourself. university administrations are not reasonable. You could utterly convince them of your competence and knowledge and they still would not let you go on the roof. BECAUSE STUDENTS AREN'T ALLOWED ON THE ROOF!!! THAT IS THE RULE!!! AND IF WE WAIVE ONE LITTLE RULE IN ORDER TO SOLVE ONE RELATIVELY MAJOR PROBLEM THEN WE MIGHT SET A PRECEDENT FOR SOLVING OTHER PROBLEMS, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED AN ADMINISTRATION!!! I would just laugh self-rightiously. It may not be the best solution for everyone, but since the administration will look the best solution in the face and laugh, you'd better laugh back. -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) From hyde@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 6 23:26:19 EST 1994 Article: 956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: hyde@cs.utk.edu (Bradley Hyde) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: "DC Bans Bees!" Date: 3 Nov 1994 11:03:22 -0500 Organization: CS Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 1 Message-ID: <39b1kaINN365@hydra1f.cs.utk.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1f.cs.utk.edu From sknapp@delphi.com Sun Nov 6 23:26:20 EST 1994 Article: 957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!news.delphi.com!sknapp From: sknapp@delphi.com (Rev. Stephen Knapp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BIG.MONEY.NOW! (bandwidth-bustin' me Date: 2 Nov 1994 04:10:02 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9411012307593.DLITE.sknapp@delphi.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com X-To: Rev. Stephen Knapp Gosh Geoff, your post was a lot shorter but somehow I didn't enjoy it as much. Can't figure out why.... >ejaculation of literary Albino Pleasure Piss, >you could roll the hardcopy into a handy tube shape, slather it >with your favorite lubricant, and shove it briskly into your >cavernous rectum. Thanks ever so much. > >your clueless ilk. > > we won't have to waste precious time >hunting down and castrating ant additional miscreants from >the shallow end of the gene pool. > >Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Mountain View >geoffm@netcom.com + DoD #0996 + California > I'm so glad you were able to show us all a much better use of bandwidth. I would hate to think that it had anything to do with entertainment. |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Stephen Knapp sknapp@delphi.com * I know you think you | | Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago * understood what I said; | | Chicago, IL USA * but I'm not sure I said | | * what you think I meant. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| From mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com Sun Nov 6 23:26:21 EST 1994 Article: 958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!sfov1.verifone.com!mike_j2 From: mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com (Mike Jaquet, SM2, Auburn, CA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excuse me while I ROTFL Message-ID: <1994Nov3.104634.1871@sfov1.verifone.com> Date: 3 Nov 94 10:46:34 -0800 References: Organization: VeriFone Inc. Lines: 32 snip > Anybody remember the "hive in the roof" saga? > Well...the pest controllers came, destroyed the hive and left. > Last week. > So, now, only one week later, there are bees there again. snip > Adrian. (no... am perfectly sane.....PERFECTLY!!!!) Let's see now. I suggested that you prepare a paper on the proper or preferred method of honeybee removal from a structure (in this case, a roof area). Then I suggested you present the powers that be with that paper, and possibly get a local "professional" to back up your claims. Rather than being smug and a little self rightous, and rather than laughing at the administration's lack of knowledge regarding honeybees, you could instead now be pointing out that what should have been presented in your paper to them is exactly what has happened. The exterminator had killed off the active bees who were currently in the hive, but he did not kill the field bees, or the unhatched brood. Then you could point out that the exterminator will probably need to make at least three more trips, and will still need to remove any residual hive material, comb, and remaining honey and pollen. Rather than gloat with an "I told you so" attitude, in my opinion you should jump at the opportunity to educate the administration, present yourself as a knowledgeable LEVEL HEADED individual, and again offer to remove the bees, the hive, and waive any liability claims should any accidents occur. Live and learn. Since you are a student, education is a better way. just my opinion as a local "small time" hobby beekeeper. mike_j2@sfov1.verifone.com From meaderyman@delphi.com Mon Nov 7 22:08:36 EST 1994 Article: 959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new varroa research Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:12:40 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com Is the varroa research book mentioned in the IBRA b-line posting available? If so,m where and how much is it? From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Nov 9 20:23:20 EST 1994 Article: 960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excuse me while I ROTFL Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:38:49 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <1994Nov3.104634.1871@sfov1.verifone.com> <39c4dv$7pl@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-02.cc.monash.edu.au In article <39c4dv$7pl@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca (Phil Veldhuis) writes: >In article <1994Nov3.104634.1871@sfov1.verifone.com> >> >>Let's see now. I suggested that you prepare a paper on the proper or >preferred >>method of honeybee removal from a structure (in this case, a roof area). [snip] >>>jump at the opportunity to educate the administration, present yourself as a >>>knowledgeable LEVEL HEADED individual, and again offer to remove the bees, >>the >>>hive, and waive any liability claims should any accidents occur. >>> >>Well this sounds perfectly reasonable: if you think a university >>administration will go for such an approach you are fooling yourself. How true!!! I did as was suggested, I put in a maintenance card, with the paper, BUT...because of the various levels the maintenance cards go through, the "paper" was removed before it got to the relevant people....so...well... I guess I will have to stick with the laughing >>university administrations are not reasonable. You could utterly convince >>them of your competence and knowledge and they still would not let you go >>on the roof. BECAUSE STUDENTS AREN'T ALLOWED ON THE ROOF!!! THAT IS THE >>RULE!!! AND IF WE WAIVE ONE LITTLE RULE IN ORDER TO SOLVE ONE RELATIVELY >>MAJOR PROBLEM THEN WE MIGHT SET A PRECEDENT FOR SOLVING OTHER PROBLEMS, >>AND THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED AN ADMINISTRATION!!! >>I would just laugh self-rightiously. It may not be the best solution for >>everyone, but since the administration will look the best solution in the >>face and laugh, you'd better laugh back. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Nov 9 20:23:21 EST 1994 Article: 961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new varroa research Date: 8 Nov 1994 10:46:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <39nkut$qv1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Robert Allen Stevens wrote: >Is the varroa research book mentioned in the IBRA b-line posting available? >If so,m where and how much is it? I think you need to mail them (IBRA) and ask. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au Wed Nov 9 20:23:22 EST 1994 Article: 962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au!roadent From: roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Adrian Graham DENT - Rodent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I'm leaving...... Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:32:15 GMT Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roberts-1f3-04.cc.monash.edu.au Dear most favorite news group of them all.... I am leaving the newsgroup.. and I will also most likely be leaving bee-l, as I am losing acess to the internet. My account is a university one, so as the end of the academic year approaches, I bid you all farewell. I don't know if I will bee able to return next year to add my special blend of wisdom and ignorance to this most exalted forum of apiculture, so, farewell until next time (although I wont bee leaving for a week or so yet...I thought I would let you all know that I am going so that if someone wants to take over the "australian" portion of the FAQ...(.which seems to contain nothing at the moment...I don' t know where it has gone), they know that the poosition is now vacant. Also, I am looking into getting a green card and coming to America for my winter some time in the few years or so, and would be interestd in getting some part time/casual work in someones apiary..... Bye for now, and bee well until I see you all again. Adrian. (my internet adress fir the next few weeks is still roadent@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au so if anyone wishes to correspond with me further, e-mail me and I will send you my snail mail address. From cdh1@rsvl.unisys.com Thu Nov 10 23:02:41 EST 1994 Article: 963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psinntp!relay1!rsvl_ns!ernie!cdh1.rsvl.unisys.com!cdh1 From: cdh1@rsvl.unisys.com (Craig D. Hanson) Subject: Bee Problems - How to Get Rid Sender: news@rsvl.unisys.com (News Admin) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:20:23 GMT Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: cdh1 Organization: Unisys, STG, Roseville, D&MS X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hi, I,m not sure if this the the right group to post this, but I can't find a better news group. I'm sure someone out there has some suggestions. A friend is having terrible problems with bees (actually wasps) in the house. I would like to find a way to get rid of them for her. She is allergic to bee stings. We have had the exterminator out a couple times, but the problem still persists. The house is in Minnesota, so the outside temps are starting the drop below freezing. The wasps appear to be in wall cavity of the basement, but not sure exacty where. The walls are all paneled, so it is difficult to do any detective work. The problem as existed for the last couple months and we have killed a couple hundred already, but they still keep showing up. They seem to be pretty lazy and easy to swat. They also seem to be attracted to lights and are more active when the heat is turned up. How do we go about getting rid of these bees so life can return to normal? Do we have to find the nest before getting rid of the problem or can they be sprayed or can they be enticed to leave the house. I normally like bees, but sharing a house is too much. Thanks for any help. Craig D. Hanson Internet: cdh1@rsvl.unisys.com Unisys CompuServe: 73760,2312 St. Paul, MN Unisys: rs_epoxy/cdh1 (M.S. 4313) (612) 635-5542 From COMINT@arout.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 11 18:50:32 EST 1994 Article: 964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: COMINT@arout.demon.co.uk (AROUTIOUN AGADJANIAN) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!arout.demon.co.uk!COMINT Subject: To Kill or Not To Kill Organization: BIOCYBERNETICS Reply-To: COMINT@arout.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 136 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:15:30 +0000 Message-ID: <784502130snz@arout.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Dear Beekeepers, I would like to invite your attention to posting 'To Kill or Not to Kill'. Originally it was prepared for sci.bio.ecology newsgroup. But I thought the theme discussed in it might be of equal interest to you. I think that results of our investigations could prompt unusual ways of increasing the efficiency of honey production. We are ready to any form of collaboration in investigating this phenomenon on different species of bee. TO KILL OR NOT TO KILL Human mostly treats the nature as an unwise consumer. He kills in huge proportions the animals that he needs as food as well as the animals that from his point of view are harmful. But often the results of such mass destruction of animals are completely different. In some cases nature figuratively speaking manages to protect itself: the reproduction rate of killed animals increases in such extent that humans have to spend more and more resources to keep the situation under control. In most other cases nature for some reason turns to be completely defenceless and because of human activities many biological species are under threat of extinction or already don't exist. Why? Let's examine two typical cases. Human kills in equally huge numbers fish (for food purposes by taking it out from water) and rats (poisoning them by pesticides). Then how it happens that in the first case the respond is a lot of fish species under the threat of disappearing while in the second case we could only speak about some limitation of numbers? Maybe we don't know something very important about killing? Maybe we don't know something substantial about "how to kill", something that could allow us eventually to get rid of rats in our cities and to restore the numbers of fish populations? Our team has developed a theory allowing new view at this problem. In the course of long term investigations we have come to a conclusion: violent death of living creatures leads to increase in birth-rate in survivors within population. This phenomenon is an integral part of intrinsic mechanism providing natural regulation of population numbers. To prove the link between reproduction rate of living creatures and violent death rate within a population we have conducted a series of experiments on laboratory animals (mice, rats, some species of insects, aquarium fish). The experiment pattern was extremely simple similar to that of well-known experiments aimed to study population self regulation at the level of numbers in which populations of laboratory animals are exploited as they might be by predators. In these experiments we observed the reproduction rate in several identical groups of animals from which the equal numbers of animals were removed. The difference in our experiments was that the animals from the test group were killed and then removed while the animals from the control were just removed (An attempt was done to model what occurs in nature). Results proved the theoretically predicted increase in reproduction rate in the test groups. Whether it is ethical to conduct such experiments for example on rats in order to prove that all methods of control of rats (as well as any other kind of pests) population based on killing not only is unethical but biologically and economically not justified and they principally cannot bring the desirable results - decrease of economical loss due to rat populations? The results of such investigations (which unfortunately otherwise than through experiments on laboratory animals is not possible to conduct) could give us so important knowledge to solve our problems in dealing with reproduction in nature and save a lot of animals on Earth from being killed as well as could help us to save environment and our food from increasing pollution by chemicals. Would it be ethical to conduct similar experiments on fish in order to find the right methods of fishing giving the nature possibility for restoring the numbers of fish populations? (We think that the possible solution of overfishing problem might be the killing of small numbers of fish in water instead of taking them all out alive while fishing. That probably would be unethical from human morality point of view but very useful to re-establish the ecological balance in the oceans.) I attach the copy of certificate on one the of series of experiments that were conducted by independent researchers. (These experiments have not been published. ) ----------------------------------------------------------------- copy translated from Russian CERTIFICATE This is to certify that based on the pattern suggested by Ignat A.Agadjanian experiments were carried out from April to June 1989 by the Department of Epidemiology, Yerevan State Medical Institute to test the conception proposed by him claiming that dying creatures radiate signals which increase the reproduction rate in survivors within a species. Experiments were carried out on 835 identical (weight, age, etc.) non- linear white rats (600 females and 235 males) equally divided into experimental and control groups. Within 7 days one individual was killed daily by 3% phosphide of zinc (dosage equals to that used by sanitary epidemiological services for pest control) in experimental group and one was removed from control alive. Investigations results with statistical accuracy equal to probability of casual results below 0.001 showed that although other conditions were maintained equal, compared with the control the number of pregnant females in experimental group was 2.9 time more, the number of offsprings - 3.45 time and the number of offsprings against one killed individual - 10 time. Conclusion: Investigated phenomenon can be successfully applied in the economy, in pest control and in husbandry in particular. K.M.Dechtsunian, DMs, Professor, Supervisor of Investigations, Head of Department of Epidemiology, Yerevan State Medical Institute signature A.Dz.Ambartsumian, CMs, Senior Experimenter, Senior Research Worker signature Stamp of department of Epidemiology, Yerevan State Medical Institute Date: 29 June 1989 ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- AROUTIOUN AGADJANIAN From sleith@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Fri Nov 11 18:50:32 EST 1994 Article: 965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!silver.ucs.indiana.edu!sleith From: sleith@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (scot evan leith) Subject: Beeswax needed Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:44:56 GMT Lines: 20 Howdy, I am looking for a place to purchase beeswax. I am in the beginning stages of starting a candle operation. Currently I have been trying out different molds and candle making techniques. However I also hope to incorporate these into an environmental shop that I am also in the process of creating and would much rather use beeswax than the petroleum based variety. I have been using blocks of unbleached wax. I am interested in trying the bleached. What chemical agent is used in the bleaching process (that environmental concern again)? I am also looking for beeswax sheets for rolled candles. Any suggestions? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Scot From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Nov 11 18:50:33 EST 1994 Article: 966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: To Kill or Not To Kill Date: 11 Nov 1994 13:26:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39vrdo$bbf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <784502130snz@arout.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Interesting. Should be brought up in local bee meetings for intense, thoughtful discussion. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From srohde@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu Fri Nov 11 18:50:34 EST 1994 Article: 967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!purdue!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sun2!sun1.iusb.indiana.edu!srohde From: srohde@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu (SEAN JAFFEE ROHDE) Subject: Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! KURT COBAIN IS DEAD!!!@@! Message-ID: Sender: usenet@sun2.iusb.indiana.edu (USENET poster) Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.iusb.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University South Bend References: <39jr4m$dou@umd5.umd.edu> <39lfs7$j1r@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:16:08 GMT Lines: 22 In article geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) writes: > > > >"There was a sad fellow Cobain >Who thought that the world was insane. >So he took out his shotgun, >Though he sang he had not one, >And painted the wall with his brain." > > > > >Geoff > >-- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Mountain View >geoffm@netcom.com + DoD #0996 + California >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- any connection to a geoff who used to abuse people on prodigy? From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Sat Nov 12 02:06:13 EST 1994 Article: 968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!att-out!oucsace!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: cyser recipes? Message-ID: Sender: news@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (news account) Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:24:39 GMT Lines: 1 Anyone have a straightforward 5 Gal(U.S.) Cyser recipe? A few chemicals,nopt a problem. I,d prefer using cider to chopped apples and your input regarding the use of distilled water and metabisulfite vs.boiling. If this is too common a question please Email. Regards, Lars/lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu From moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Sat Nov 12 02:06:14 EST 1994 Article: 969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!raven.csrv.uidaho.edu!moore901 From: moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Date: 11 Nov 1994 17:35:50 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andrew Mellanby (mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk) wrote: > Hello, > I am seriously considering taking up beekeeping (as a backyard hobby > initialy), and to that end I'm attending an evening class at a local > agricultural college. > Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep > recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like > polystyrene but I think it's expanded poly-propalene). The advantages > seem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp climate like ours. > Can anyone else recommend this type of hive ? or otherwise comment ? I am a beekeeper in Northern Idaho, and have been one since I was old enough to lift a hive, and even a little before. However, I have never heard of this type of hive, and would like to know more about it. What are the advantages, how about the disadvantages? We are always interested in new ideas and concepts. All of the information that I get, I print off and send home to my brothers and my dad. Therefore any info. on this or any other new concepts is much appreciated. From lstsm@orion.alaska.edu Wed Nov 16 19:10:20 EST 1994 Article: 970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news.alaska.edu!orion.alaska.edu!lstsm From: lstsm@orion.alaska.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poly Hive REcommendations Date: 14 Nov 94 17:16:15 AST Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1994Nov14.171615.1@orion.alaska.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.alaska.edu Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keeprecommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks likepolystyrene but I think it's expanded poly-propalene). The advantagesseem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp climate like ours. My dad has been the "high priest" of beekeeping in Anchorage, Alaska I used to produce his newsletter when I was living there. (I'm now in Bethel). I will ask him. He used to get a newsletter from Scotland so will be interested. I know he has used those frames but seems to prefer wasx. Tim Miller From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Wed Nov 16 19:10:22 EST 1994 Article: 971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Drones Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:41:25 GMT Lines: 18 >Subject: Re: Strange sighting of drone. >Well, here in California (SF Bay Area) I've been fascinated by the drones >flying at my hive. I have *never* had late drones before, but a whole >new batch has shown up within the last month. > >I know Adrien has talked about channel island bees reproducing/swarming >all through the year, but that's a milder climate. We're getting some >very cold nights, but the drones are out in abundance! > >swdc.stratus.com] Here in Southern New Hampshire, my drones were pushed out a month ago. (USA) and it's been real mild with frost only a couple of nights! Dfv . From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Nov 16 19:10:23 EST 1994 Article: 972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones Date: 15 Nov 1994 12:04:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3aa84p$rlb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , -verville d.f. wrote: >>Subject: Re: Strange sighting of drone. >>Well, here in California (SF Bay Area) I've been fascinated by the drones >>flying at my hive. I have *never* had late drones before, but a whole >>new batch has shown up within the last month. One of my better hives, and queens, one I grafted from this spring, had drones throughout the winter. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From wallace@acasun.eckerd.edu Wed Nov 16 19:10:25 EST 1994 Article: 973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!triton.eckerd.edu!acasun.eckerd.edu!acasun.eckerd.edu!not-for-mail From: wallace@acasun.eckerd.edu (Bryan Wallace) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Book Offer Date: 11 Nov 1994 13:29:38 -0500 Organization: Eckerd College, St. Petersburg, Florida Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3a0d6i$rfn@acasun.eckerd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: acasun.eckerd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In an effort to communicate interesting arguments, I will send a 311KB ASCII email copy of my current book to anyone who sends a request to my below email address. This book is my independent work and not the opinions of the physics department. Of the many interesting comments on the book that I've received to date, John Archibald Wheeler of Princeton University wrote: "A dynamic ether, a compressible fluid that could move at the speed of light." I am delighted you take such a deep interest in a subject so important. Kurt Pagels of Germany wrote: The reading of this book was for me very interesting and very informative! The factual material and the wealth of ideas is in your book in such a manner great, that a second and third reading is needed, therewith all arguments come to consciousness. But the comment I liked the best came from Rudolf Nedved of Czechoslovakia, who wrote: I have studied up the preprint of your book "The Farce of Physics" and an very surprised. For me, it was better than a thrilling crime novel. Steven L. Mitchell, the Editorial Director of Prometheus Books wrote: Thank you for sharing with us your manuscript titled "The Farce of Physics." The idea of publishing an internal critique of the scientific mindset is most intriguing. Naturally, it would run counter to many prevailing opinions and this could negatively effect the market. Since the audience for your book would be the dedicated reader of science, the risks facing publication are considerable. Mitchell wanted a substantial grant to assist publication and share the risks, and I have found no other publisher willing to give me better terms, so I have decided to distribute the book free on the Internet. If one prefers to obtain a copy by anonymous ftp, they can get it from ftp.germany.eu.net in the directory /pub/books/wallace, by using get farce.txt. Bryan G. Wallace wallace@eckerd.edu From altabios@bham.ac.uk Wed Nov 16 19:10:26 EST 1994 Article: 974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Date: 15 Nov 1994 13:16:10 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3aacaq$ln4@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 In article <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk>, Andrew Mellanby says: > I would be tempted to use wooden hives. One of mine is 16 years old now and is in fine condition. Wood stands some abuse from your hive tool without cracking/splitting. If you have a choice, get a roof covered with zinc sheet rather than tar felting, they should last a lot longer. From jcooper@infinet.com Wed Nov 16 19:10:27 EST 1994 Article: 975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cyser, etymology Date: 15 Nov 1994 13:23:53 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3aacp9$pms@rigel.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com Keyword: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] The compact edition of the OED indicates that _cyser_ is an obsolete form of cider. There has to be more to say about the eymology and usage of this form. -- ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From jcooper@infinet.com Wed Nov 16 19:10:28 EST 1994 Article: 976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cyser, etymology Date: 15 Nov 1994 13:26:10 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3aacti$pms@rigel.infinet.com> References: <3aacp9$pms@rigel.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joseph Cooper (jcooper@infinet.com) wrote: : The compact edition of the OED indicates that _cyser_ is an obsolete form : of cider. There has to be more to say about the eymology and usage of : this form. Make that etymology, if you please. : -- : ************************* : * Joseph Cooper * : * jcooper@infinet.com * : ************************* -- ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From matheson@iconz.co.nz Wed Nov 16 19:10:29 EST 1994 Article: 977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!hookup!ames!waikato!status.gen.nz!iconz.co.nz!matheson From: matheson@iconz.co.nz (Ross Matheson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new varroa research Date: 9 Nov 1994 08:10:44 GMT Organization: Public Access Internet, Auckland New Zealand Lines: 32 Message-ID: <39q065$akh@status> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iconz.co.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Robert Allen Stevens (meaderyman@delphi.com) wrote: : Is the varroa research book mentioned in the IBRA b-line posting available? : If so, where and how much is it? I forwarded your article to IBRA knowing they were online recently and received a reply within half an hour. I intended them to reply directly, but it was my first usenet interaction, and, it's taken another night to figure out the pico use to repost! Ross Matheson From: Dr Pamela Munn Reply-To: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Yes it will be available on 21 Nov - it is 16 UK pounds or $26 including post and packing and you can order it from our bookshop via email to me. Credit cards (visa mastercard) are accepted : name and address for card, number, expiry date and type of card please. Best wishes Pam ************************************************************** * Dr Pamela Munn * * Editor of Bee World, Associate Editor of J. Apic. Res. * *============================================================* * E.mail : IBRA@Cardiff.AC.UK | Mail : IBRA * * Phone : (+44) 1222 372 409 | 18 North Road * * Fax : (+44) 1222 665 522 | Cardiff CF1 3DY * * | UK * *============================================================* * If your mail is for someone else in IBRA I will pass it on * ************************************************************** From vaq@ornl.gov Wed Nov 16 19:10:30 EST 1994 Article: 978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!vaq.win.ornl.gov!vaq From: vaq@ornl.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:29:23 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vaq.win.ornl.gov X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) writes: >Path: > >Andrew Mellanby (mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk) wrote: >> Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep >> recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like > I have never >heard of this type of hive, and would like to know more about it. I've never used plastic hive bodies, but many friends in San Antonio TX area, where I was last active, reported high rejection rates by swarms and some troubles with rejection by purchased bees. From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Wed Nov 16 19:10:31 EST 1994 Article: 979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 07:39:07 -0500 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Message-ID: References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 31 In article <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) wrote: > Andrew Mellanby (mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk) wrote: > > Hello, > [deletions] > > Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep > > recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like > > polystyrene but I think it's expanded poly-propalene). The advantages > > seem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp climate like ours. [deletions] >I have never > heard of this type of hive, and would like to know more about it. What > are the advantages, how about the disadvantages? [deeltions] I've never used a plastic hive body, but...(Opinion mode ON) In general, polyethylene/polypropylene does not seem to hold up well for extended use outdoors. It's great at first, surely would be easy to remove frames even when well coated with propolis, and _may_ even be acceptable to the bees. But after a couple of seasons outside, PE/PP gets brittle and breaks. Wood, especially when painted, should last significantly longer. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Nov 16 19:10:33 EST 1994 Article: 980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cyser recipes? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 11:37:20 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 96 Message-ID: <1706EA375S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes: > >Anyone have a straightforward 5 Gal(U.S.) Cyser recipe? A few chemicals, not >a problem. I'd prefer using cider to chopped apples and your input >regarding the use of distilled water and metabisulfite vs.boiling. If this >is too common a question please >Email. Regards, Lars/lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Taken from the BEES LEES (archived somewhere in cyberspace, I know not where) are the following two cyser recipes: > Chapter 5: Cyser -- Mead with Apples > > de-Cyser. Apple Mead-pagne > > Source: John (The Coyote) Wyllie (SLK6P@cc.usu.edu) > > Ingredients: > > 4 gal Fresh pressed cider (from an orchard) > 5 lbs Honey (used local clover/alfalfa) > 1 tsp acid blend > Handful chopped raisins, or 1/4 tsp grape tannin > 1 Tbsp yeast nutrient > Irish moss (or other clarifier) > 2 tsp Pectic Enzyme > 4 campden tables (sodium metabisulfite) > Epernay Yeast (or champagne) > > Procedure: > > Pour the cider to a sterilized 5 gal carboy. Allow it to splash to > aerate. Treat overnight with campden tablets. Crush and predissolve. > Add the raisins to the carboy. Next day heat the honey in < 1 gallon of > water (160 deg 1 hr, or boil if you choose). Add all other ingredients > to the syrup. Add to the fermenter. Use some of the treated juice to > hydrate the yeast, and pitch the starter after it bubbles. After a few > weeks, rack to a secondary. Add more finings if needed (isinglass is > good). Top up with juice, or honey syrup. I've generally liked to let > cysers, and ciders age for a pretty long time. Most have been in > fermenters for at least 4 months. You can bottle still, or sparkling. > Use 1/2 to 3/4 cup corn sugar and champagne bottles for a nice sparkle. > These have taken a long time to gain a good bubble level. They have > been stored cold (55). But well worth the wait! > > Comments: > > A potent and pleasing fruity wine. Once mature, a clear, bubbly > champagne-like mead. My dad really enjoyed this one, and he usually > drinks nicer wines. I was flattered. He kept grabbing the bottle at > dinner! :) > If you rack several times you can eliminate most of the sediment, and > only have a fine layer in the bottle. I prefer to keep the priming > down, because they seem to continue fermenting slowly for a long time. > I've had a batch carbonate w/o priming! So much for a still wine! You > could stabilize and sweeten to taste if you choose. Bottling with teas > is a nice addition. I've used cinnamon, but I'd bet ginger, or a tad of > clove would be nice. > > Specifics: > > OG: ~1.070 Will vary depending on source of cider. > FG: 1.000. > > > Chapter 5: Cyser -- Mead with Apples > > Dangerous Cyser > > Source: Chuck Cox (chuck@synchro.com) > Mead Lover's Digest #5, 1 October 1992 > > Ingredients (7 gallons): > > 10 lb clover honey > 10 lb wildflower honey > 5+ gallons cider > 6 tablets Campden/Metabisulphate > Ale Yeast > > Procedure: > > Mix everything except the yeast. > Let sit in loosely covered fermenter for 24 hours. Add yeast. > Rack to secondary when fermentation slows. Rack to keg when still. > Force carbonate if desired. > Condition for as long as you can stand it. > Drink liberally. > Fall over. > > Comments: > > These days I am not adding the Campden tablets. That step is optional. > From mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk Wed Nov 16 19:10:35 EST 1994 Article: 981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!Aberdeen!usenet From: Andrew Mellanby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:50:55 GMT Organization: University of Aberdeen, Scotland Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cauchy.maths.abdn.ac.uk Hello, I am seriously considering taking up beekeeping (as a backyard hobby initialy), and to that end I'm attending an evening class at a local agricultural college. Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like polystyrene but I think it's expanded poly-propalene). The advantages seem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp climate like ours. Can anyone else recommend this type of hive ? or otherwise comment ? Andrew Mellanby Aberdeen, Scotland mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Nov 17 23:55:49 EST 1994 Article: 982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!att-out!oucsace!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? Message-ID: Sender: news@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (news account) Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:09:55 GMT Lines: 22 One of my aquantances experianced unexplained rejection of his one piece plastic foundation/frame super w wood box, and I have had considerable difficult in getting bees into plastic rounds for two years running here in damp and humid SE Ohio Regards, Lars/ lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu >In article <3a0a1m$eoo@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> moore901@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Moore Chad) writes: >>Path: >> > >>Andrew Mellanby (mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk) wrote: > >>> Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep >>> recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like > > >> I have never >>heard of this type of hive, and would like to know more about it. > > >I've never used plastic hive bodies, but many friends in San Antonio TX area, >where I was last active, reported high rejection rates by swarms and some >troubles with rejection by purchased bees. From lstsm@orion.alaska.edu Thu Nov 17 23:55:50 EST 1994 Article: 983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news.alaska.edu!orion.alaska.edu!lstsm From: lstsm@orion.alaska.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poly Hive Recommendations Date: 14 Nov 94 19:27:55 AST Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1994Nov14.192755.1@orion.alaska.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.alaska.edu I called my father. Here is his response:Ya, they work but I dont like plastic. Ive had some for years but bees like wood and foundation better. Wood just feels better even for the beekeeper. Bees dont like to draw out the comb on plastic. Harder to uncap. Fletcher Bee Miller From johng@garnet.msen.com Fri Nov 18 22:30:11 EST 1994 Article: 984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!johng From: johng@garnet.msen.com (John Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,misc.forsale,rec.arts.books.marketplace Subject: Book on Bees For Sale Date: 18 Nov 1994 04:41:05 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ahb92$4rg$1@heifetz.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:984 misc.forsale:129321 rec.arts.books.marketplace:4240 Book on Bees For Sale Lindauer, Martin. Communication Among Social Bees. Cambridge MA: Harvard University Press, 1971. Hard cover, 161 pp. Includes bibliography, index, 81 illustrations. Excellent condition. $15 post paid reply email johng@mail.msen.com From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Nov 18 22:30:12 EST 1994 Article: 985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Poly Hive REcommendations Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:51:22 GMT References: <1994Nov14.171615.1@orion.alaska.edu> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 40 : Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keeprecommending hives made from some : sort of plastic (looks likepolystyrene but I think it's expanded : poly-propalene). The advantagesseem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp : climate like ours. Actually there appear to be two ideas here now; 1. One is the idea of plastic hive bodies - of which I know little and 2. The idea of plastic frames and foundation. Re the latter: There are plastic frames made such that wax foundation is clamped between two halves and used just like a wooden frame. No wiring required. (Rating: good). I've had some for ten years or more. There are plastic frames with plastic foundation which is sometimes sprayed with beeswax. (Rating: fair - the frames are too weak and flexible) There are sheets of foundation made of wax with a sheet of plastic in the middle, like a sandwich with metal stiffeners on the ends (Duragilt (TM)from Dadant) (Rating: very good) There are several brands of plastic foundation that include no wax and works as well or better than wax. (Rating: good to excellent) Some are better than others. None of the types of foundation require wiring and the plastic sheets just pop in and out of frames in a jiffy. You can scrape them down and the bees rebuild - unlike Duragilt. Commercials are using them and I have heard no complaints - but lots of raves. Sources - Mann Lake and Dadant. I will discuss further in more detail if interest is expressed. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Nov 19 18:20:49 EST 1994 Article: 986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, I have dead colonies already! Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:55:11 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <170728B84S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1994Nov17.115028.33111@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <1994Nov17.115028.33111@cc.usu.edu> sltqd@cc.usu.edu writes: >... >fourteen hive in September this year... > >(Checked recently and) Out of >the fourteen colonies we had in September, only six had any live bees in >them. Four of the eight had no dead bees and no honey and the other four >had a few dead bees, some with a lot of honey and some with no honey. >The few dead bees were clumped into a ball in the middle of the box. >... >My questions: Is this a normal loss of colonies? Could we have prevented >colonies from swarming? Could we have a disease?(There were no dead bees >in the hives except those clumped in the middle) What kind of preparations >should we do to minimize winter loss? > Clearly, some kind of stress is upon your colonies to cause them to die, abscond or disappear. With the minimal information given and an inability to check your colonies, members of this forum can at best only guess at the cause. Given the climate of the beekeeping industry and the description you gave, my first guess would be that you have a problem with mites. Discussion on this list has gone along the lines that heavy varroa infestations have prompted many colonies to just up and leave their hive at a time of year when they would normally be settling in for the winter. This discussion prompted me to examine my hives for similar signs, and sure enough I too found this phenomenon in (thankfully) only one colony, but verified that varroa is rampant in my apiary. First line of attack: Apistan in all my hives. I suggest that you examine for varroa and am willing to bet big bucks that you will discover that's your problem. If so, get Apistan strips and get them into your remaining hives ASAP. It's already very late in the season for this. Varroa is a relatively new problem in the States, and the majority of beekeepers have yet to encounter the nemesis. This is the first year that I have heard conversations about the increased stress on hives that accompanies the seasonal fall expulsion of drones. Varroa prefer drone larvae, perhaps (as observed on this list) as a survival mechanism, since drones drift more readily between hives and hence assists in varroa's spread. In the fall when fewer drones are being reared, varroa has to shift from drone larvae to worker larvae and hive infestation can sky rocket. This infestation can prompt the bees to abscond as noted above. Recommendation: Examine your hives for varroa (I was able to verify the infestation visually!). If you have a problem, treat ALL of your hives, and treat them as soon as possible. Finally, keep up on current research and discussion of the mite problem. It's here, it can't be ignored, and every beekeeper will be a better beekeeper if they keep as informed as they possibly can about this problem. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Vice President Elect, Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Association Hobby keeper of bees in Upstate New York From OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA Sat Nov 19 18:20:50 EST 1994 Article: 987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!net18.coned.umanitoba.ca!OTTO From: OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA (Warren Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some help requested Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:05:54 GMT Organization: Continuing Education, University of Manitoba Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: net18.coned.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I have been lurking in this group for a couple of days to see what kind of dicussions transpire. I have some questions that I hope you peopel can help me with. My wife and I have purchased a small acreage (4.51A) in Manitoba and are looking to do something with it. Possibly a berry farm, U-Pick veggy market or something else. One possibility I never thought of, until finding this group, was bee keeping. Now of course I have 100 questions to investigate before putting bee keeping on our list of possibilities. Is 4.51 acres too small? What are the start up costs? Is the a good general book that gives a person an idea on what is involved? I have many more and don't want to be a bother to the whole group. If someone would kindly e-mail me I could ask all of my question via e-mail. Any asssitance is greatly apprecieted Warren Otto otto@cedcampus.lan1.umanitoba.ca From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sat Nov 19 18:20:51 EST 1994 Article: 988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: cyser, etymology References: <3aacp9$pms@rigel.infinet.com> X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:15:03 +0000 Message-ID: <785247303snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <3aacp9$pms@rigel.infinet.com> jcooper@infinet.com "Joseph Cooper" writes: > The compact edition of the OED indicates that _cyser_ is an obsolete form > of cider. There has to be more to say about the eymology and usage of > this form. Cyser??, Obsolete?? -- nobody told me I've been drinking an obsolete drink! Who do the OED think they are OED anyway? :-) -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sat Nov 19 18:20:52 EST 1994 Article: 989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: Poly Hive Recommendations ? References: <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 32 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:20:50 +0000 Message-ID: <785247650snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <39qk3v$bom@nof.abdn.ac.uk> mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk "Andrew Mellanby" writes: > Hello, > > I am seriously considering taking up beekeeping (as a backyard hobby > initialy), and to that end I'm attending an evening class at a local > agricultural college. > > Our teacher(s) run about 70 hives and keep > recommending hives made from some sort of plastic (looks like > polystyrene but I think it's expanded poly-propalene). The advantages > seem to be many - especialy for a cold & damp climate like ours. > > Can anyone else recommend this type of hive ? or otherwise comment ? Hi, Down here (Hampshire) the people I know who have tried them are not very enthusiastic -- they are neither as cheap nor as robust as cedar hives and they tend to suffer from conensation. They were however designed by Scandinavians for their conditions so they may well work well in Aberdeen where the conditions are that bit cooler. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From sltqd@cc.usu.edu Mon Nov 21 21:16:34 EST 1994 Article: 990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sltqd From: sltqd@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, I have dead colonies already! Message-ID: <1994Nov17.115028.33111@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Nov 94 11:50:28 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 hello, I have a question, but first some background. We extracted honey form our fourteen hive in September this year. Things went smoothly. For each hive we made sure that the two boxes we left for the wintering bees were full of honey or pollen (some had the top supers full but not the bottom). We thought this would increase our winter survivorship, because we had never done this before. I didnt check them again until this week. This week I went out to put screens on the hives to keep the mice out. Out of the fourteen colonies we had in September, only six had any live bees in them. four of the eight had no dead bees and no honey and the other four had a few dead bees, some with a lot of honey and some with no honey. The few dead bees were clumped into a ball in the middle of the box. It has recently been cold here, around freezing. Also my uncle suggested that the four colonies that seem to have swarmed may have done so because we were in a drought situation and there was no water in the canal near the hives. My questions: Is this a normal loss of colonies? Could we have prevented colonies from swarming? Could we have a disease?(There were no dead bees in the hives except those clumped in the middle) What kind of preparations should we do to minimize winter loss? Thanks, Todd Seamons SLTQD@cc.USU.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Nov 21 21:16:35 EST 1994 Article: 991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ear Mites? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Nov 1994 13:02:22 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3aq5ou$fcb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: Gerry Rising Organization: University at Buffalo Subject: Hive Mold Problem A friend here in Buffalo who keeps a few hives lost all of his bees last winter to what he believes were ear mites. He did not use the hives this year and now he has a different problem. They are covered -- inside -- with a white mold. Can anyone give me some guidance about how to rid this hive (a) of the mold and (b) of any possible remaining mites. (I assume that the latter left with the bees, but there may be some related problem that requires a particular kind of cleaning.) Guy is a beginning beekeeper (and I am even less knowledgeable) so any help you can give us will be very much appreciated. I guess I have missed asking one more thing. How can he prevent or at least lessen the chance of reinfection of his hive? Thanks in advance for any help. ----------------------------------------------- Gerry Rising insrisg@ubvms.bitnet 295 Robinhill Drive insrisg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Williamsville, NY 14221-1639 716-689-8301 ----------------------------------------------- -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Mon Nov 21 21:16:36 EST 1994 Article: 992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poly Hive Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:55:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3ar8hs$6on@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] I've used duragilt (the membraneous plastic with a thin wax coating on each side) and also the thicker plastic sheets of foundation. Both work but the bees (here in Philadelphia) don't seem inclined to draw out the plastci foundation unless there's a prety heavy honey flow going on. Persona;;y, I don't like them much but I can see that they'd gave their advantages. As for duragilt, the bees seem to like it, but they will tend to wear away or nibble off the wax at the bottom corners of the frames. Also, they will sometimes chew through them - apparently to improve access. I use a hand extractor and hence may not need the greater durability (over wire-reinforced) the plastic and duragilt products seem to offer. Dave Trickett University of Pennsylvania From ENCX08A@prodigy.com Tue Nov 22 18:03:36 EST 1994 Article: 993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ENCX08A@prodigy.com (STEVE BURT ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help, I have dead colonies already! Date: 21 Nov 1994 23:57:04 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3arc4g$66fm@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Friend, You have been bitten by the mite bug. This could be either the Varroa or Tracheal mites, but they both produce the same result: A dead colony with ample honey. I had to replace all five of my colonies this spring, and stopped deluding myself that I could select for resistance in my small operation. The cost in dead bees was outrageous, so I installed Apistan. My clean bees from spring had plenty of Varroa within five months. They made some honey, but would have all died, again, without the Apistan. Se if any emerging worker brood has crinkly wings, or a little cranberry-colored critter under the wings: Varroa! Either medicate or pack it in! Uncap some drone brood when the bees are rearing it in the spring and summer. See the little, round cranberry dots with wee small legs on the white pupae: More Varroa! Good luck. Please look 'em over and write back. Steve Burt Michigan Beekeeper #7829 From OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA Tue Nov 22 18:03:37 EST 1994 Article: 994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!net18.coned.umanitoba.ca!OTTO From: OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA (Warren Otto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanx Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:02:16 GMT Organization: Continuing Education, University of Manitoba Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: net18.coned.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Thanx to all those who responded to my request. I'll keep lurking here and may be posting some questions in the future. Warren Otto From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Nov 22 18:03:39 EST 1994 Article: 995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some help requested Date: 22 Nov 1994 12:01:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3asmhu$8j6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <371.1776.uupcb@lightspeed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <371.1776.uupcb@lightspeed.com>, Elizabeth Landrum wrote: >If you are interested in getting a bee supply catalog, you can get one >from The Walter T. Kelley Company, 3107 Elizabethtown Road, P.O. Box >240, Clarkson, Kentucky, U.S.A. 42726-0240 >They seem to carry anything you may want that relates to beekeeping. > They have an 800 number. It is: 800-233-2899 I am not affiliated with The Walter T. Kelly Co. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Wed Nov 23 21:29:54 EST 1994 Article: 996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa Date: 22 Nov 1994 22:04:11 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3atpsr$rra@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk Is there any sign of a northern limit to this pest? Or of any other natural limit at all? -Norman, free but concerned for the future From elizabeth.landrum@lightspeed.com Wed Nov 23 21:29:55 EST 1994 Article: 997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!slammer!iccdev!ftl!elizabeth.landrum From: elizabeth.landrum@lightspeed.com (Elizabeth Landrum) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some help requested Message-ID: <371.1776.uupcb@lightspeed.com> Date: 21 Nov 94 21:08:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Faster-Than-Light, Atlanta GA USA, +1 404 292 8761 Reply-To: elizabeth.landrum@lightspeed.com (Elizabeth Landrum) References: Lines: 5 If you are interested in getting a bee supply catalog, you can get one from The Walter T. Kelley Company, 3107 Elizabethtown Road, P.O. Box 240, Clarkson, Kentucky, U.S.A. 42726-0240 They seem to carry anything you may want that relates to beekeeping. From wgathey@space.honeywell.com Wed Nov 23 21:29:56 EST 1994 Article: 998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!spacenns.space.honeywell.com!usenet From: wgathey@space.honeywell.com (Bill Athey - AA4WE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ear Mites? Date: 23 Nov 1994 06:11:07 GMT Organization: Honeywell Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3aumdr$qss@spacenns.space.honeywell.com> References: <3aq5ou$fcb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bgathey.space.honeywell.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ In article <3aq5ou$fcb@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) says: > >From: Gerry Rising >Organization: University at Buffalo >Subject: Hive Mold Problem > I don't know about the mold, I think I would use a new hive. Anyway, once the hive is set up again if the problem is with vorroa mites try using Apistan Strips. These strips work for me in Florida and we really have mite problems if not treated. Bill wgathey@space.honeywell.com From DCannon@exeter.ac.uk Fri Nov 25 00:43:07 EST 1994 Article: 999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!info!DCannon From: DCannon@exeter.ac.uk (D.Cannon) Subject: Re: Some help requested Message-ID: Organization: University of Exeter, UK References: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 10:47:37 GMT Lines: 28 4.3 Acres is loads of space for beekeeping. I live in Devon England & many of my friends keep bees in their back gardens which are only 10sq yards. The real consern is what the local flora is like. They will forage over a 3 mile radius. Although the first mile in the most important & 3 miles is really past their break even. The wonderful thing about beekeeping is it is only really the cost of the hive which you have to front up. The foraging area is very important but is not part of your overhead. I have read in article about the southern states where farmers buy the foraging rights for an area for their bees. This is large comercial enterprises. Whether this is the case where you live ! Have fun It's very time consumming John (:-) -- _________________________________________________________________________ David Cannon University of Exeter, IT Services Laver Building, North Park Road Systems/Network Programmer Exeter, EX4 4QE, Devon, UK Fax: +44 (0)392 211630 Phone: +44 (0)392 263998 The above views are my own, and do not represent the policy or views of the University of Exeter _________________________________________________________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Nov 25 00:43:08 EST 1994 Article: 1000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: November Issue _Apis_ Magazine Date: 23 Nov 1994 12:59:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 268 Message-ID: <3avec8$2vt@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: apis, bee, honeybee, magazine, sanford, beekeeping FILENAME: NOVAPIS.94 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 11, November 1994 AHB IN CALIFORNIA The African honey bee (AHB) has finally been found in California. The first detection of the migratory front was made 20 miles west of Blythe, in Riverside County. The feral swarm was detected at the Chuckwalla Valley State Prison on a 3-inch pipe on October 24. The prison fire department destroyed the swarm and collected the sample that was later identified by the California Department of Food and Agriculture laboratory as Africanized and confirmed on October 28, by the Agricultural Research Service Bee Laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland. WHEN BUGS FIGHT BACK The 1993 winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Journalism is Mike Toner of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A compendium of his articles has been published under the title "When Bugs Fight Back." This publication is available by contacting the newspaper's automatic marketing service, ph 404/222-88991. It is must reading for anyone interested in agriculture or public health at almost any level. As Mr. Toner says in his introduction, "the bugs are fighting back and they are getting very good at it." This is strong stuff and Mr. Toner's articles, published between August and April, 1992 give us pause for reflection: "Like the villains in a late-night horror show, resistant strains of mankind's oldest enemies are finding ways to sabotage our most sophisticated technology. And even the malevolent microbes of 'The Andromeda Strain' or the angry hordes of 'Killer Bees' aren't as scary as the 'superbugs' that are now emerging throughout the world." Tuberculosis, malaria, pneumonia, and practically every other human infection is now resistant to at least one class of antibiotics, according to Mr. Toner. With reference to insects and weeds, the prognosis is no better. At least 17 'super-insects' are resistant to almost every pesticide. One, the Colorado Potato beetle, can now be killed only using a tractor-pulled blow torch. And in the United Kingdom and Australia farmers are encountering 'mega-weeds' which may threaten the world's wheat supply. Chemicals have been subverted, Mr. Toner says, unwittingly aided by industries that market them, 'experts' who overuse them, and ordinary people who see them as a promise, for a time, to change the course of evolution. As Dr. Robert Metcalf, University of Illinois concludes: "The problem is not chemicals; it's the irresponsible way they are used. Our shortsighted and irresponsible use of antibiotics and pesticides is producing strains of monster bugs resistant to nearly everything in our arsenal. The outlook is dismal. And it is getting worse." Beekeeping, like the rest of agriculture, is increasingly reliant on chemicals. Does this mean there is potential for 'superbugs' to develop? Several potentially devastating problems now under chemical control are candidates. For decades, beekeepers have used and continue to employ the antibiotic, oxytetracycline, as a "preventative" to control American Foulbrood (AFB). It has worked amazingly well; how long it will continue to do so is not known. Evidence from extended use of antibiotics in humans, however, is not encouraging. Fortunately, for most persons, antibiotics still work, but for some infections, according to Dr. Fred Tenover at the Center for Disease Control, we are close to the end of the road. As quoted by Mr. Toner, he concludes, "The worst-case scenario is almost here. We are very, very close to having bacteria resistant to every significant antibiotic ever developed. Only this time, there are no new drugs coming down the pike." Physicians can make mistakes in prescribing antibiotics, and many are simply inappropriate for certain conditions, including simple colds and diarrhea, and viral infections. In these cases, not only don't they work, but this use magnifies the possibility of developing resistant bacteria. Another major don't on a list published by the Alliance for the Prudent Use of Antibiotics, quoted in Mr. Toner's work is: "Don't take an antibiotic to prevent a disease you think you have been exposed to. It not only alters the body's normal population of harmless bacteria, but increases your chance of getting a resistant infection." This last don't is of course what every beekeeper using Terramycin (R) for AFB control does. Unfortunately, it has worked for decades, although there is disturbing evidence from an Argentinean visitor to this department some time ago that AFB in that country has shown resistance to Terramycin (R) in certain areas. I say "unfortunately" because that means that resistance has not shown up in the U.S. in spite of decades of treatments by thousands of beekeepers. Although this is good news if one wants to control the disease, it leads to the belief that this antibiotic is a proverbial "magic bullet" for AFB control. And if this is so, there must be other bullets in our gunslinger's belt which are just as effective for other diseases and pests. With the introduction of the honey bee tracheal mite (HBTM) and then Varroa, the search for magical cure alls, like that now perceived for AFB, have continued. There appears to be innate resistance against HBTM in certain bee populations; in many areas, it seems that colonies susceptible to this parasite were quickly killed off. Nevertheless, menthol continues to be used as a chemical control in many situations and there is evidence that vegetable oil patties are also helpful. Varroa is another story. Before this mite was introduced into the U.S., well over 140 different chemicals had been used worldwide to control this parasite. Most didn't work. And only in 1987, when the U.S. was finally infested, was a technology found to effectively kill large numbers of mites and not affect the bees at the same time. This, of course, is the chemical fluvalinate, a synthetic pyrethroid first delivered on wooden strips, then labeled as formulated in the product called Apistan (R). The beekeeping industry could at that time breathe a sigh of relief; a parasite for which the western honey bee (Apis mellifera) has little resistance was now under control. But for how long? Already there is evidence that widespread use (or misuse?) of fluvalinate in Europe may have created resistant mites. Although there may be other chemicals on the horizon (e.g. formic acid), there is no substitute for wise use of one that is already labeled, legal and effective. Thus, as Mr. Toner suggests: "Whether you're farming the lower 40 or a small garden plot in the back yard, there are things you can do to keep the pests at bay-- and to slow the emergence of resistance:" Use pesticides sparingly. When you apply pesticide, do so only when there is a problem, not before. (Use the ether roll test, smoke, uncapping brood and washing adults to detect Varroa mites.) Rotate chemicals. If possible, alternate at least two different classes of compounds--organophosphates, pyrethroids, carbamates or biologicals. [This is not legally possible in the U.S.; in Canada, Apistan (R) can be rotated with formic acid]. Once resistant mites are detected, however, this may not be the best approach. Avoid persistent pesticides. You run the risk of encouraging resistance even after the problem is gone. [This is potentially the most pernicious problem of all when using fluvalinate. It accumulates over time in wax comb, making the beehive itself a continuous possible source of the chemical, encouraging resistance to develop in mite populations.] Set up untreated area. Consider providing an untreated area--a refuge of sorts--to preserve a stock of susceptible insects to dilute the effect of resistant genes. [This might be untreated colonies in nearby yards. However, this philosophy runs counter to opinion in the regulatory community that all nearby colonies should be treated to avoid one of the biggest problems posed by Varroa, reinfestation.] This last is perhaps one of the most interesting new twists developed by Mr. Toner. Providing a "safe haven" for pests, he says, is not a joke. In this way, resistant populations might be diluted by individuals that are not resistant, providing overall better kill rates. This would be, he concludes, something that would have been "anathema" a few years back. The kill'em all philosophy is a throwback to the time when eradication was the philosophy of choice. But there has been a paradigm shift in pest control. As Dr. Metcalf states, concluding the series "When Bugs Fight Back": "When you try to eradicate an insect, you are going up against a billion years of evolution. Pests have survived that long because they are very good at adapting. We will probably never completely eradicate any pest. We shouldn't be trying. We should be looking for a way to live with them better." MORE ON SMALL BUSINESS FOOD LABELLING It was too good to be true. I said in the October, 1994 APIS that nutritional labeling was automatic without notification of either the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Unfortunately, I was misinformed on this issue. Any business requesting exemption must submit the following information to the FDA: 1. Name and address of business. 2. Name of food product for which exemption is claimed. 3. Average number of full-time equivalent employees from May 8, 1993 to May 7, 1994. 4. Approximate total number of units sold in the U.S. between May 8, 1993 and May 7, 1994. 5. Signature of responsible party; also stating that the person signing will notify the Office of Food Labeling when the product no longer qualifies for exemption. Send the above to Office of Food Labeling (HSF-150), Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration, 200 C St. SW, Washington, DC 20204. Questions about this should be directed to Jerad McCowin, special assistant to the director, ph. 202/205-5229. NOTES FROM A TRIP TO THE BRITISH ISLES James Bach, Washington state apiarist, recently reported on a trip to the British Isles. It was published in the last edition of the Apiary Inspectors of America Newsletter. Honey Bee Tracheal Mites (HBTM) 1. New Zealand bees are reported to be more susceptible to HBTM during seasons of poor weather; losses of up to 30 percent are seen. The stock is perceived to build up too fast in Spring and has small winter clusters. 2. Local strains are thought to be resistant to HBTM, but losses of 33 percent are still reported. There is no sampling for mites and no treatments given. Colonies are allowed to die; crawling bee symptoms are considered to be due to HBTM. 3. Fifty percent losses in N. Ireland are thought to be from HBTM, complicated by lack of pollen and a long, cold Spring. Beekeepers prefer local queens; few are imported. Both commercial and non- commercial beekeepers let the bees raise their own queens. Viruses 1. The impact of viruses on bee behavior is not known. Viral surveys of healthy colonies have not been undertaken. Whether the quality of honey bee nutrition has any effect on viruses is unknown. 2. Chronic Paralysis Virus has been known to multiply coincident with HBTM; both organisms prosper under the same conditions. Kashmir bee virus is thought to be the most virulent virus in honey bees. 3. Cell-cleaning bees are nurseries for developing sacbrood virus (SBV). It multiplies in their head (mandibular gland?) Infected bees forage earlier and are primarily nectar gatherers. Nurse bees with SBV quit feeding larvae earlier. 4. Viruses appear to spread when bees remain in the hive for longer than 24-hour periods. Crowded beehives are also conducive to viral spread. Economics 1. One commercial beekeeper was only breaking even; net profit came from bee-related commodities like tinctures, salves and specialty honeys. 2. Honey prices are soft because of imported honey from China. European beekeepers are actively demonstrating at European Community headquarters to gain support for their interests. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Nov 25 18:32:12 EST 1994 Article: 1001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: Re: Help, I have dead colonies already! Message-ID: Sender: news@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (news account) Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services References: <3arc4g$66fm@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 19:51:25 GMT Lines: 28 Steve : Two winters ago I was blindsided by Tracheal Mites in the same manner, lost 7 out of 9. After treating the next winter (much colder here in SE Ohio, U.S. only lost 1 out of 9. Been very fortunate not to see any varroa(knock on wood) Regards, Lars/lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu In article <3arc4g$66fm@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, ENCX08A@prodigy.com (STEVE BURT ) writes: >Dear Friend, > >You have been bitten by the mite bug. This could be either the Varroa >or Tracheal mites, but they both produce the same result: A dead colony >with ample honey. I had to replace all five of my colonies this spring, >and stopped deluding myself that I could select for resistance in my >small operation. The cost in dead bees was outrageous, so I installed >Apistan. My clean bees from spring had plenty of Varroa within five >months. They made some honey, but would have all died, again, without >the Apistan. Se if any emerging worker brood has crinkly wings, or a >little cranberry-colored critter under the wings: Varroa! Either >medicate or pack it in! Uncap some drone brood when the bees are rearing >it in the spring and summer. See the little, round cranberry dots with >wee small legs on the white pupae: More Varroa! > >Good luck. Please look 'em over and write back. > >Steve Burt >Michigan Beekeeper #7829 > > > From krabb@cs.ruu.nl Sat Nov 26 12:02:30 EST 1994 Article: 1002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!krabb From: krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Message-ID: Sender: usenet@cs.ruu.nl (Six O'Clock News) Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science References: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 08:02:51 GMT Lines: 16 In cspillne@mail.tcd.ie (Charlie Spillane) writes: > >Are there any stingless bees in Europe or Africa? Here at the university they have a few colonies of stingless bees. If you want to know more about it I'll look up the address for you. Regards -- -- Jeroen -- Jeroen Krabbendam, Department of Computer Science, Utrecht University, P.O box 80089, NL-3508 TB The Netherlands From pollinator@aol.com Sat Nov 26 12:02:31 EST 1994 Article: 1003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some help requested Date: 25 Nov 1994 23:00:21 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 47 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3b6bsl$gft@newsbf01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com In article , OTTO@CEDCAMPUS.LAN1.UMANITOBA.CA (Warren Otto) writes: >One possibility I never thought of, until finding this group, was bee keeping. >Now of course I have 100 questions to investigate before putting bee keeping on our list of possibilities. Is 4.51 acres too small? What are the start up costs? Is the a good general book that gives a person an idea on what is involved? Bees are not optional, if you plan to raise berries, and most other fruits and many veggies. With the loss of wild bees, you will need to manage your pollination. Unless you are lucky enough to have a honey producer real close, that means either keeping your own bees, or renting >from a beekeeper who provides pollination service. Pollination service runs $25-$50 American on the east coast, per hive. If you keep your own, you can expect to spend anywhere from $75 - $125 per hive start up costs, depending mostly on whether you can get bargains on used equipment, or buy it new. The bees themselves in the form of nucs (nucleus hives) or packages are going to run $35 to $40. It is going to cost you probably $20-25 plus labor in yearly maintance. Probably in Manitoba, you will get some honey, in return, as well as pollination of your crops. (Sorry, I haven't been to Canada lately, so I don't know current exchange rates). Beginners can get good advice from local beekeeper associations, and bee magazines - a good practical one is Bee Culture, which you can find out about by e-mail to beeculture@aol.com. The editor's wife Diane (Sammatauro, I think) has written one of the best beginner bee books I have seen. It may be at your library. Your acreage is not too small, as the bees will forage a much larger area. The bees themselves will probably not take up a tenth of an acre. They will do best, if there is plenty of forage, such as clover, alfalfa, fireweed, etc. around you, when your fruits are not blooming. For tips on pollination management, you might want to suscribe to our newsletter. Pollinator@aol.com Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, Dave Green, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From yhan@nic.com Sat Nov 26 12:02:32 EST 1994 Article: 1004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.nic.com!nic.com!yhan From: yhan@nic.com (Yoon Han) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee pollen EXTRACT manufacturers wanted Date: 25 Nov 1994 17:03:54 -0500 Organization: Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.6.8.10 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #9 (NOV) I don't know if this question is appropriate for this news group, but I'm looking for a manufacturer of bee pollen extract -- not just bee pollen but its extract in powder form. I would appreciate any help. Thanks From ez021641@jane.ucdavis.edu Sat Nov 26 23:14:07 EST 1994 Article: 1005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!jane!ez021641 From: ez021641@jane.ucdavis.edu (Her God Messenger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Loss of Queen! Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:44:30 GMT Organization: Information Resources, UC Davis Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3ar7se$5l1@mark.ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.ucdavis.edu Hi All, I have recently lost a queen to some unfortunate circumstances. The accident occured about 3 weeks ago.. For the past 3 weeks, because of one reason to the next, i could not check the hive, but i did have the chance to check the hive yesterday. I found a virgin queen, but i did not see ANY egg. My question is will the virgin (?) queen still has the chance to mate this time of the year?? I have an extra queen, but if i don't need to use her, I won't. I'm thinking about leaving her for another week before i get rid of her if she does not lay any egg by then. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance.. Son Trinh First season in bee-hobbying From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Nov 26 23:14:08 EST 1994 Article: 1006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Loss of Queen! Date: 24 Nov 1994 07:07:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3b1e4b$57j@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3ar7se$5l1@mark.ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3ar7se$5l1@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Her God Messenger wrote: >Hi All, > > I have recently lost a queen to some unfortunate circumstances. The >accident occurred about 3 weeks ago.. For the past 3 weeks, because of one >reason to the next, i could not check the hive, but i did have the chance >to check the hive yesterday. I found a virgin queen, but i did not see >ANY egg. My question is will the virgin (?) queen still has the chance to >mate this time of the year?? I have an extra queen, but if i don't need >to use her, I won't. I'm thinking about leaving her for another week >before i get rid of her if she does not lay any egg by then. Any >suggestions? Thank you in advance.. Old beekeeper's adage:" Cut your losses in the Fall...make 'em up in the Spring." Combine the hive with another using newspaper, that virgin is worthless now...she'll never amount to anything worth saving. This Spring, you'll be able to make a new hive easily on the honeyflow. Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Nov 27 15:03:07 EST 1994 Article: 1007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 25 Nov 1994 01:28:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3b3ejg$2mt@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Charlie Spillane wrote: >any references on breeding of bees, or good references on bees >in general? Try gopher gopher.uconn.edu libraries and research services/ Edward H. Kirschbaum Library(Waterbury Campus)/ Hewitt Apiculture Collection I searched here using and as keywords and found the titles to some excellent bee breeding books. You might also try gophering, or using the WWW, to Cornell, Ucal. Davis, etc.-- to any of the good agriculture/biology schools. These should have these books in their catalogs online. I find Rutner's book very helpful. good luck, Adam -- _________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu | (awaiting my muse...) ___________________________________________|_____________________________ From cspillne@mail.tcd.ie Sun Nov 27 15:03:08 EST 1994 Article: 1008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!ieunet!tcdcs!news.tcd.ie!gen017.gen.tcd.ie!user From: cspillne@mail.tcd.ie (Charlie Spillane) Subject: Bee Varieties Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: usenet@news.tcd.ie (TCD News System ) Organization: Genetics Department, TCD. Ireland Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 22:23:02 GMT Lines: 23 Dear subscribers, I wonder if anyone can inform me of whether there are varieties of "domesticated" bees which are endangered in Europe as I am interested in knowing how broad the genepool of "domesticated bees" is? Also: Are all bees susceptible to varroasis and could anyone provide any references on breeding of bees, or good references on bees in general? Aany information in a similar vein on wild bees would be greatly appreciated as well. Are there any stingless bees in Europe or Africa? Any information will be gratefully received. Sincerely, Charlie Spillane, cspillne@mail.tcd.ie From m_gera@iconz.co.nz Sun Nov 27 15:03:09 EST 1994 Article: 1009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato!status.gen.nz!iconz.co.nz!m_gera From: m_gera@iconz.co.nz (Matthue Gera) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ Bee Pollen importers wanted Date: 27 Nov 1994 10:47:52 GMT Organization: Public Access Internet, Auckland New Zealand Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3b9o4o$t4a@status> NNTP-Posting-Host: iconz.co.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Wanted: OVERSEAS NEW ZEALAND BEE POLLEN IMPORTERS Description: New Zealand bee pollen producers require overseas importers for possible negotible exports of top quality pure disease free bee pollen. For more information about prices and export orders/ agreements/contacts please contact via internet email: From m_gera@iconz.co.nz Sun Nov 27 15:03:10 EST 1994 Article: 1010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!waikato!status.gen.nz!iconz.co.nz!m_gera From: m_gera@iconz.co.nz (Matthue Gera) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee pollen EXTRACT manufacturers wanted Date: 27 Nov 1994 10:50:56 GMT Organization: Public Access Internet, Auckland New Zealand Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3b9oah$t4a@status> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iconz.co.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Yoon Han (yhan@nic.com) wrote: : I don't know if this question is appropriate for this news group, but I'm : looking for a manufacturer of bee pollen extract -- not just bee pollen : but its extract in powder form. I would appreciate any help. : Thanks I might bee :) able to help you here, my dad is looking for Overseas companys/individuals to import bee pollen in various forms. This pollen is produced in New Zealand and to a high standard, please email me and i will forward you a Telephone number to contact him. From bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk Mon Nov 28 23:58:23 EST 1994 Article: 1011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Sender: news@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-User: bbeattie Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:27:33 GMT Lines: 27 References: Nntp-Posting-Host: kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Charlie Spillane (cspillne@mail.tcd.ie) wrote: > Dear subscribers, > I wonder if anyone can inform me of whether there are varieties of > "domesticated" bees which are endangered in Europe as I am interested > in knowing how broad the genepool of "domesticated bees" is? > Also: > Are all bees susceptible to varroasis and could anyone provide > any references on breeding of bees, or good references on bees > in general? There are many. Try these: "In Search of the Best Strains of Bees", Brother Adam (Buckfast Abbey) 1968. An inspirational book whether you like bees or not. Similarly, "Bee-Keeping at Buckfast Abbey", Bro. Adam. 1975. A complete survey of British bee-keeping books is available published by the International Bee Research Association, Hill House, Gerrards Cross, Bucks. UK "Bibliography of British Bee Books." Bridget. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Tue Nov 29 18:39:41 EST 1994 Article: 1012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Message-ID: <1994Nov29.100934.745@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:09:34 GMT Lines: 20 In article bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) writes: > >A complete survey of British bee-keeping books is available published by the >International Bee Research Association, Hill House, Gerrards Cross, Bucks. UK >"Bibliography of British Bee Books." The address for IBRA above is very old. Here are the up to date details:- *============================================================* * E.mail : IBRA@Cardiff.AC.UK | Mail : IBRA * * Phone : (+44) 1222 372 409 | 18 North Road * * Fax : (+44) 1222 665 522 | Cardiff CF1 3DY * * | UK * *============================================================* -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Wed Nov 30 21:48:37 EST 1994 Article: 1013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virginia.EDU!jwg2y From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) Subject: painting hives Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 01:39:42 GMT Lines: 9 Last spring in the panic of an impending swarm, I slapped a new super on my hive. It was unpainted pine. Now I want to paint it to protect it from the Virginia winter. Can I do this while it is still on the hive? I know I'll only be able to paint the outside, but it's sealed really well. -- Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu 804-924-7409 From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 2 11:03:46 EST 1994 Article: 1014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goclenius.rutgers.edu!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: b.mail_1294 Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:18:59 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 211 Message-ID: <3bkm0j$nu3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf =================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. **December 1994** =================================================== BIODIVERSITY AND TROPICAL BEES Bee scientists everywhere have been pleased by the increased interest in and discussion about biodiversity, as many bee species are important for maintaining biodiversity in a wide range of natural systems. An interesting partnership between maintaining biodiversity, supporting indigenous culture and promoting economic development is proposed for south-east Asia. Writing in the latest edition of Bee World ('Development and honey gathering ecotourism'; 74(4): 157-159), Makhdzir Mardan of the Universiti Pertanian Malaysia discusses the promotion of tourist interest in honey hunting from Apis dorsata as one way of conserving tropical forests and promoting economic development at the same time. 'Outside' interest in Apis dorsata has been high since the yellow rain controversy of a decade ago, and the public imagination has been captured by reports of honey hunting in the Himalayas: the TV programme, National Geographic article and stunning book (Honey hunters of Nepal) by Valli and Summers. Dr Mardan suggests that honey hunting has an economic importance that should be given more consideration when planners make decisions about the utilization of forests; for instance the timber from one large bee tree might yield a one-time $US 2,000, but if left as a nesting place for Apis dorsata can produce more than that in honey each year. The income of honey hunters can be supplemented with a share of the 'income pie' from ecotourism, divided among tour operators, honey gatherers, and research and enforcement institutions. The dangers of tourism activities overstepping the capacity of an area's resources are pointed out in the article, as is the need to share the income in an equitable way. For those interested further, IBRA's library contains a number of references on honey hunting of Apis dorsata, mostly relating to India but a number to south-east Asia. TROPICAL BEES AND THE ENVIRONMENT People will be able to see honey gathering for themselves at a conference with a difference, being held in March 1995 in Malaysia. 'Tropical bees and the environment' will be held at Pedu Lake in north Malaysia, right in the forest which is home to many colonies of Apis dorsata. Before the conference there is an expedition to look at traditional honey gathering (after dark), and the impressive drone flight and 'yellow rain' mass defecation just after sunset. Tropical bees and the environment, 13-15 March 1995. Pre-conference expedition 11 March 1995. Contact Beenet Asia Secretariat, Plant Protection Department, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, 43400 UPM Serdang, Selangor DE, Malaysia. Fax (+60) 3-948-3745 or 948-2507. Further information from Dr Mardan at this address, or makhdzir%upmvmesa.ccrisc.upm.my. Reduced registration fees apply until 31 January 1995. FORAGING STRATEGIES 'Comparative foraging strategies in solitary and social bees' is the title of a one-day meeting of the Royal Entomological Society of London. The programme will include papers, posters and discussions, and both senior researchers in this field and some of the younger workers will be contributing. The meeting will be at Exeter University in south-west England on Saturday 4 February 1995, and is open to anyone interested. For full details and a booking form contact Dr Robin Wootton, University of Exeter, Hatherly Laboratories, Prince of Wales Road, Exeter EX4 4PS. Phone (+44) 1392-263753, fax 1392-263700, e.mail r.j.wootton@cen.exeter.ac.uk. CONFERENCE CALDENDAR 3rd Apidological Symposium, Jena, Germany, 22-26 August 1995. The approach of this symposium is to consider the honey bee colony as a superorganism. Topics will include genetics and developmental physiology, caste formation and sexuality, neuro- and sensory physiology, wild bees: biology and use as bio-indicators, and beekeeping practice. Contributions are invited and the deadline for submissions is 28 February 1995. Contact: Dr Ursula Horn, Friedrich-Schiller-Universitat Jena, Biologisch- Pharmazeutische Fakultat, Institut fur Ernahrung und Vmwelt, Apidologie und Angewandte Zoologie, Am Steiger 3, D-07743 Jena/Thuringen, Germany. Fax: (+49) 641-635 382. 7th International Symposium on Pollination (ICPBR), Lethbridge, Canada, 24-28 June 1996. Contact: Dr Ken Richards, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, Lethbridge Research Centre, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada T1J 4B1. Fax: (+1) 403 382 3156, E.mail: richards@abrsle.agr.ca FLORA FOR FAUNA A nationwide campaign to encourage gardeners to grow trees, shrubs and flowers which are food sources for Britain's wildlife was launched recently at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, UK. This move in nature conservation commenced with thousands of 'Flora for fauna' labels, placards, posters and booklets being distributed to selected garden centres throughout Britain. Plans are already under way for this British project to be extended to France and Germany, as after 1 January it will run parallel with European Conservation Year - ENCY 95. It is being supported by some of the most prestigious conservation and scientific organizations in Britain, as well as the Horticultural Trades Association. The first stage of 'Flora for fauna' is providing information about what plants are hospitable for wildlife. Already 25,000 plant labels covering 25 species have been attached to plants from the north of Scotland to south Cornwall as part of a six-month pilot scheme. The information has been extracted from the introductory 'Flora for fauna' database which highlights the preferred plants for wildlife in British gardens. It details what birds, butterflies, frogs, bats and other forms of wildlife eat; what eats them; what is needed for nests and homes; what special plants relate to different forms of wildlife; and which cultivars of a species still have a good nectar and pollen yields. The next stage is further development of the database, which will be launched in a comprehensive version in December 1995. Bees have a good mention in the introductory publicity, and key plants that are useful nectar and pollen sources will be highlighted in the database. Details of the 'Flora for fauna' database disk and accompanying booklet are available from: The Duchess of Hamilton, c/o The Linnean Society of London, Burlington House, Piccadilly, London W1V 0LQ, UK. Orders: phone (+44) 171-351-4266, fax 171-352-5655, e.mail john@linnean.demon.co.uk CONSERVING WHICH BEES? We had a query about the forthcoming meeting 'Conserving Europe's bees' suggesting that the title is a bit narrow - wouldn't 'Conserving bees' or 'Conserving temperate bees' be better? Well, maybe, but we chose the 'Europe' title (1) to help attract funding (1995 is the European year of nature conservation) and (2) because we thought that a two-day meeting wouldn't be long enough to attract many people from outside Europe. However, it was always intended that this meeting would cover the mediterranean, and the new world where Apis mellifera is an introduced species. Interest in the meeting is high, and with 6 of the 19 invited speakers coming from the Americas and 2 from Israel there will be a lot of input from outside Europe. Everybody is welcome. Conserving Europe's bees, London, UK, 6-7 April 1995. Organized by the International Bee Research Association and the Linnean Society of London. Information from john@linnean.demon.co.uk or from ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. POLLEN LOAD COLOURS Widespread interest has been generated by the most popular publication >from IBRA this year, 'A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee' by William D J Kirk. Modern colour reproduction processes permit much more accurate presentation of colour squares than were available when the previous standard work, 'The pollen loads of the honeybee' by Dorothy Hodges, was first published in 1952. The whole question of how to record colour most accurately has been discussed in more detail by Dr Kirk in his recent article 'Recording the colours of pollen loads' (Bee World 75(4) 169-180 (1994)). Beginning with a look at colour science, the article discusses variation in colour and the best ways of collecting pollen loads and matching colours. There is also a good account of the different systems available for recording and classifying colours, and the selection of the system used in the production of the book. PHILATELISTS DELIGHT Calling all apiphilatelists, or should I say philatophilic apiarists? Whatever, there's good news for stamp collectors interested in the theme of bees and beekeeping. It's been 21 years since the last catalogue of stamps on a bee theme was published, in Bee World 54(2): 53-56. Now there's an updated list, including all stamps showing: honey bees, beekeeping or any allusion to beekeeping; non-Apis bees; stamps omitted from the 1973 article. 'Bee and bee interest postage stamps of the world: supplement 1' by Dorothy E Shaw and J Stuart Ching. Bee World 75(4): 181-193 (1994), with four full-colour plates. Also available as reprint M128 from IBRA. Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Dec 3 09:50:09 EST 1994 Article: 1015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good source... Date: 1 Dec 1994 03:22:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3bjfi5$qmb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1994Nov30.231706.1209@nmt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <1994Nov30.231706.1209@nmt.edu>, Kyle "Cinder Block" Boyd wrote: >... Addresses are good, but 1-800 numbers >are better. Try Walter T. Kelly Co. 1-800-233-2899 Adam (I do not speak for Kelly, I know their stuff is good.) -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From kstar@astro.ocis.temple.edu Sat Dec 3 09:50:10 EST 1994 Article: 1016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!kstar From: kstar@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Kurt D. Starsinic) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture Subject: WWW> The Franklin Institute Science Museum Date: 2 Dec 1994 16:46:38 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3bnj1e$5oa@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu Summary: The Franklin Institute Virtual Science Museum Opens Its Doors Keywords: science, museum, Franklin X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1016 sci.agriculture:2302 The Franklin Institute Virtual Science Museum Opens Its Doors The Franklin Institute, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, invites you to explore our World Wide Web server. The "Virtual Science Museum" offers visitors a host of resources for science education as well as general information about the museum and its programs. Be sure to visit our "virtual exhibits" about Ben Franklin and The Heart. These multimedia presentations support learning through inquiry-based exploration. The doors of wisdom are always open at http://sln.fi.edu -- *---------------------------------------*--------------------------------* | Kurt D. Starsinic (kstar@fi.edu) | Information Systems Specialist | | The Franklin Institute Science Museum | * Science Learning Network * | | 222 N. 20th St. | Office (215) 448-1236 | | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103-1194 | Fax (215) 448-1219 | *---------------------------------------*--------------------------------* | "I have nothing to say and I am saying it | | and that is poetry." -- John Cage | *---------------------------------------*--------------------------------* | The Franklin Institute's home page: http://sln.fi.edu/ | *---------------------------------------*--------------------------------* From gurbie@nmt.edu Sat Dec 3 22:07:22 EST 1994 Article: 1017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!rutgers!nmt.edu!gurbie From: gurbie@nmt.edu (Kyle "Cinder Block" Boyd) Subject: Good source... Message-ID: <1994Nov30.231706.1209@nmt.edu> Organization: New Mexico Tech X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:17:06 GMT Lines: 9 I know this question has been asked a bee*zillion times, but I'm gonna make it a bee*zillion and one. Who are some good distributors of bee equip.. I live in New Mexico, so anything here would be best, but anything at all is also great. Addresses are good, but 1-800 numbers are better. Thanks Kyle "Lookin' toward the future with an eye on the past" Boyd From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Dec 4 20:54:50 EST 1994 Article: 1018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: painting hives Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <941203144049591@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 18 We routinely paint boxes in our apiary, both stacked on hives and empty but within ten feet of working hives. We have never had a problem with the paint oder agitating the bees, so, especially at this time of year, you should have any easy time of it. Be prepared to pound on your hive tool a little the first time you remove the super after painting, but that's the hardest part. :) In the winter here in California, when it is cold and dry, it is common practice to paint the hives in the field using portable air less paint sprayers. I have never heard of any ill effects, but have seen a few painted bees. Most beekeepers that do this use a good latex water based paint, but I am sure oil based paints are also used. From ENCX08A@prodigy.com Sun Dec 4 23:44:48 EST 1994 Article: 1019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ENCX08A@prodigy.com (Steve Burt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:15:20 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3btt3o$r3a@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap2.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Charlie and fellow beekeepers! Domesticated bees? As some of the other respondents have mentioned, there are a number of "races" of honey bees. Even the so-called "killer bees" are in point of fact descended from an African race of Apis mellifera. I would recommend The Hive and the Honey Bee, Chapter 2, HONEY BEES OF THE WORLD, as an excellent discussion of honey bee species and races. In my beekeeping experience, the only bees I encounter that are reasonably pure in coloration come from bee breeders. The swarms I frequently hive and the bees I end up keeping after a few seasons of breeding are quite a mixture of Italian and Caucasian/Carniolan, as shown by the appearance of workers in vatious shades of tan, brown, or grey, and not the yellow of thoroughbred Italians. I call these bees "urban feral," as they are the predominant wild type in my Detroit, Michigan suburban environment. They are easily domesticated, seem quite hardy, and goo up the hives with substantial propolis. I have resigned myself that if I am to breed my own queens, they will have this color within a season or two. They produce ample honey and do not sting much, so they meet my needs in the populated environment where I live. No doubt, their mixed color is the consequence of many attempts to establish Caucasian or Midnite Hybrid bees in suburbia, without perfect success. -- Steve Burt From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Dec 4 23:44:49 EST 1994 Article: 1020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 5 Dec 1994 02:43:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3btup4$4d2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3btt3o$r3a@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3btt3o$r3a@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, Steve Burt wrote: > > In my beekeeping experience, the only bees I encounter that are >reasonably pure in couloration come from bee breeders. The swarms I >frequently hive and the bees I end up keeping after a few seasons of >breeding are quite a mixture of Italian and Caucasian/Carniolan, as shown >by the appearance of workers in vatious shades of tan, brown, or grey, >and not the yellow of thoroughbred Italians. Couloration is not an accurate way to tell what race your bees are. There are dark Italian bees and yellow caucasian bees out there. The bees that seem to do the best around here have varying couloration, but tend to be darker then "yellow bees" Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From london@SunSITE.unc.edu Sun Dec 4 23:51:36 EST 1994 Article: 1021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!london From: london@SunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee pollen (fwd) Date: 5 Dec 1994 04:58:33 GMT Organization: SunSITE, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 163 Message-ID: <3bu6lp$14r7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu >From paul.magnuson@digitec.co.za Sun Dec 4 21:04:32 EST 1994 Article: 7029 of alt.folklore.herbs From: paul.magnuson@digitec.co.za (Paul Magnuson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs Subject: Bee Pollen question Date: 3 Dec 94 06:16:00 GMT Organization: Digitec Online - South Africa Reply-To: paul.magnuson@digitec.co.za (Paul Magnuson) Jennifer) writes: >I know it's not exactly an herb, but can someone please explain to me >just what "bee pollen" is? [text deleted] Hi Jennifer I apologise if this is the last in a bunch of replies, but I don't clear my mailbox that often. Bee pollen is pollen produced by flowers, and collected by bees. That's the simple part. Thereafter, it may be one of two rather different entities. Worker honeybees' thoraxes are covered with fine, plumose hairs, which trap pollen when they forage in flowers for either/both nectar and/or pollen. In flight, this pollen is combed from the hairs, moistened with regurgitated nectar (which also serves to cool the flight muscles in hot weather), and collected in the pollen baskets (corbiculae) on the hindmost pair of legs. In this form, it is transported home. In the hive, these pollen loads are removed from the legs, and packed into wax cells. It is then eaten by young workers (nurse bees) who synthesise from it the specialised high protein `brood foods' (bee milk and royal jelly) to be fed to the developing larvae. Adult bees have very limited requirements for protein foods, and thus live virtually entirely on nectar and honey (a carbohydrate food source). The larvae need a high protein food -- this is what pollen is used for by the bees. In the event that the pollen is not immediately consumed, it must be preserved in some way. The bees accomplish this by covering the pollen mass in each cell with nectar or dilute honey. A special fermentation process takes place in the cell, the by-products of which prevent further decomposition of the pollen. Livestock farmers do this too -- ask any farmer how he/she makes silage. The fermented pollen is referred to as `bee bread' by beekeepers. Now, there are two ways in which a beekeeper may get pollen from a hive. A pollen trap may be installed at the entrance of the hive to collect the pollen loads carried on the foragers' legs. Simplistically, a screen is erected across the entrance, with apertures large enough for a bee, but too small for a bee with large pollen loads. When a returning forager passes through the screen, the loads are knocked off the bees' legs into a collecting tray. That's the easy way. The product may be referred to as `pollen pellets'. Pollen pellets in a jar are very attractive -- roughly 2-3 mm diameter oval beads, ranging in colour >from creamy white to deep red (and occasionally green, or dark brown). The other way is simple, but highly labour-intensive. As part of the normal brood-chamber maintenance regime, warped or otherwise undesirable brood combs are culled from the brood nest to give the queen new white comb in which to lay her eggs (there is a long story here, but I will end up on someone's twit list if I digress to much). These combs are then chilled (or frozen) to make the wax brittle. With a fine knife blade, the wax cell walls are broken, and the bee bread lozenges removed. I believe that mechanical extraction is possible, but I live in the developing world. Bee bread retains the hexagonal cross-section shape of the honey comb cells. At least with the African bee (the only one I know and love!!!!!!!) * lozenges of bee bread are roughly 5 mm in diameter, and slightly longer. The colour is usually more uniform, and individual lozenges may exhibit layers of differently-coloured pollens. * Americans beekeepers are just complacent sissies who are so used to placid ligustica bees that they haven't bothered to learn how to handle REAL bees that can actually be bothered to defend their nests :-) -- if any beekeepers take umbrage at my `windgatheid' I would love a return airfare to the USA to come over to show you all how to keep scutellata (yes, Africanized bees are just African bees) without hassling the bees, and therefore without getting stung (well OK then, almost never). Failing that, you are welcome to come to visit the apiary from which at least some of the original queens were taken to Brazil -- by definition then, the home of the stroppiest bee in the world! Please leave your kit at home. Assuming that I haven't bored you too much so far, I would like to introduce you to an interesting beekeeping/biochemical/nutritional debate. The literature is very divided on the relative nutritional benefits of the two pollen forms. The debate hinges not on the amounts of nutritional substances picked up in biochemical assays, but ON THE AMOUNTS OF NUTRITIONAL SUBSTANCES AVAILABLE FOR ABSORPTION BY THE HUMAN GUT AFTER DIGESTION. Everyone agrees that both forms of pollen are potentially highly nourishing, and MIGHT even be considered a perfect food for people, were in not for the fact that the vitamins A, D and K (I think this is correct, but I am 50 km from my reference books) are virtually absent. Pollen has one of the highest per dry mass protein levels of all foods known. However, it might be that the coating surrounding each individual pollen grain is indigestible (this is the nub of the issue). If this is so, all of the valuable food in pollen is simply carried right through the gut, and voided. However, most studies to my knowledge support the idea that the fermentation process undergone by bee bread partially breaks down and fractures this pollen coat, thus liberating the nourishing interior for absorption. OK, the educated consumer then has a choice -- relatively inexpensive pollen pellets which might be of absolutely no nutritional significance for humans, or the prohibitively expensive bee bread. A related issue is the relative shelf-lives of the two products. The unfermented pollen pellets are most likely far less stable. Whether pollen is palatable, is a matter of personal decision. I rather like it. Perhaps you could visit a local beekeeper and ask to taste bee bread as soon as it comes out of a hive. Unless he/she is a pollen producer, this might even be thrown away when the combs are rendered for wax. It is possible that what you bought has gone off. Without knowledge of your local beekeeping conditions, it is also possible that it is a particularly unpalatable pollen from a specific group of plants. Honey tastes (and especially smells) very different depending on the floral source, and it would be reasonable to assume that the same goes for pollen. At least in SA most pollen is blended with either liquid or creamed honey (and marketed as a super-duper health food to athletes and other superhumans who require more potent fuels than mere mortals). Try pouring pollen into liquid honey and blending with a spatula. If the honey starts to crystalise, and you stir it a bit every morning at the breakfast table, you will produce creamed honey -- at probably 1/10 the price of creamed honey in the shops. A word of warning -- although pollen is often used (apparently with great success, at least by those who report anecdotal evidence) in treating pollen hypersensitivities (allergies), there are records of it triggering off severe allergic reactions. I would have to recommend that you exercise a measure of caution when trying out different pollens. The presumed mode of action of pollen in treating hypersensitivities is similar to that for some homeopathic treatments. You might consult a trusted homeopath or experienced herbalist for advice and possibly monitoring when trying pollens from different batches. Be aware that even if the pollen comes from the same distributer, it is almost certainly going to be totally different pollen each time you buy, since it will have been collected from flowers in bloom at different times of the year. It is also likely that the distributer buys in pollen from various beekeepers from different parts of the country to ensure a constant supply. By the way, I am thrilled that you know what propolis is. Ask your herbalist or homeopath about its properties. If they don't know, look for herbalists/homeopaths trained in Eastern Europe. If they don't know, ask me. In short, it is an almost miraculous natural antimicrobial substance, which makes a wonderful ointment for external application to cuts and scrapes. I am sure that I would be in contravention of some very serious law if I suggested anything but external use, so talk to your homeopath). I wish you well Paul Paul Magnuson, Honeybee Research Unit, Plant Protection Research Institute, Agricultural Research Council, Pretoria, South Africa. My work e-mail address is ppripcm@plant1.agric.za --- . SLMR 2.1a . "I drank WHAT!?" -- Socrates. ---- Digitec Online - South Africa Telnet: bbs.digitec.co.za or 196.11.62.106 From london@SunSITE.unc.edu Mon Dec 5 10:54:35 EST 1994 Article: 1022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!london From: london@SunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Pollinator Newsletter Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:57:01 GMT Organization: SunSITE, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3bvd8d$13dq@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Address for Eastern Pollinator Newsletter: >From pollinator@aol.com Mon Dec 5 10:46:56 EST 1994 From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture Date: 5 Dec 1994 00:20:11 -0500 Pollinator@aol.com Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 Dave Green, Editor From JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu Tue Dec 6 10:24:24 EST 1994 Article: 1023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!inxs.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!jvf101 Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:53:06 EST From: Jennifer Finley Message-ID: <94336.175306JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: painting hives Distribution: usa References: Lines: 16 It is perfectly acceptible to paint or repaint hive boxes while they are on the hive. The inside of the box does not require paint -- the bees coat it with a layer of propolis which preserves it better than painting. You should not use a lead-containing paint or any of the more toxic wood preservatives as these can contaminate the honey and/or be poisonous to the bees. We routinely paint boxes in our apiary, both stacked on hives and empty but within ten feet of working hives. We have never had a problem with the paint oder agitating the bees, so, especially at this time of year, you should have any easy time of it. Be prepared to pound on your hive tool a little the first time you remove the super after painting, but that's the hardest part. :) Jennifer Finley Penn State University From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Dec 6 10:24:25 EST 1994 Article: 1024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping faq Followup-To: poster Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:42:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 292 Message-ID: <3bvcdo$459@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: Pointers to apicultural/beekeeping information Keywords: bees, beekeeping, apis, apiculture, honey, faq, pollen, stings sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ 12/5/94 This is FAQ #6 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. 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The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) FAQ List The following list of frequently asked questions was compiled by Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) Folks? Please answer some of these questions if you can find time. (you'll get your name in the FAQ!) Why did my beehive die? What is the difference between Honey Bees and other stinging insects? How do I recognize a honey bee? Why do Bees Sting? What Should I do if there are bees flying all around me? What is the best treatment for a bee sting? Is it true that all bees/honeybees will more likely attack things that are tall/dark/furry-hairy/smelly (what kind of smells?) ? What is an African Bee, and how do I recognize it? Why are African Bees called "Killer Bees?" Are African Bees really dangerous? Do I have to worry about African Bees? (will African Bees be moving into my neighborhood?) How far north will the "killer Bees" get, and when? Bibliography of children's books on bees. Bibliography of beekeeping texts. Bibliography of biology (habitat, parasites, etc.) Protective gear. Finding Queens. Regulatory and research people and their addresses. AHB Progress and news. What is the National Honey Board? How do I find a local beekeeper? What is a swarm -are they dangerous Are their different races of honeybees? What are they and how do they differ? Supering. Honey Production. Queen Rearing. Social Order. Lore. Bee Deterrent? Swarm removal. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Dec 6 23:34:52 EST 1994 Article: 1025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:56:13 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: "F. HENRY" Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the following two cases from my own experience: 1) A military friend asked me for beeswax to stiffen the points of his moustache - he had trained it out about three inches on each side but drooped at the ends. A light application of beeswax each morning fixed it for the day. 2) Another friend, who is into medieval jousting, needed to stiffen his leather armour because these enthusiasts get carried away in the heat of battle and whack one another pretty hard sometimes. (In the Middle Ages, the poor foot soldiers used leather while the knights used metal armour. Nowadays, metal armour is cheap but heavy - those who can afford it use lighter, leather armour). My friend had heard that leather could be stiffened by dipping it in beeswax. (Does anyone know if this is another medieval practice?). The individual pieces of leather were not large, so we heated them up a bit in an oven and dipped them in liquid beeswax. The results were very satisfactory on the field of battle and it was about five years before the leather had to be treated again. Do you know any other out-of-the-ordinary applications for beeswax? No need to mention candles and batik dyeing, as these are common uses. Thanks in anticipation, Falconer Henry, Capital Region Beekeepers Association, Victoria, B.C., Canada -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From london@SunSITE.unc.edu Tue Dec 6 23:53:15 EST 1994 Article: 1026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!london From: london@SunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 7 Dec 1994 05:00:13 GMT Organization: SunSITE, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3c3fgt$1eaj@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu In article <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: >From: "F. HENRY" >Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? >I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the >following two cases from my own experience: >[text deleted] >Do you know any other out-of-the-ordinary applications for beeswax? >No need to mention candles and batik dyeing, as these are common uses. Yes, a very good use for beeswax, as an excellent finish for things made of wood: WOOD FINISH ----------- Ingredients: [proportions can vary, just experiment] pine sap (rosin), fresh or old, that exuded by pine beetles is OK too rendered animal fat (sheep or lamb is best) beeswax heat in a pot and filter liquid through a cloth if trash needs to be removed pour into a container to harden the resulting substance should be a bit tacky and should easily soften with a little heat usage: heat the mix a little and try to get some on a piece of cloth; heat wood surface a bit with a hairdryer and apply finish with the cloth rub in thoroughly until it has been completely absorbed by the wood keep rubbing until surface is dry and begins to shine produces a great finish, fairly durable but doesn't fare well if wood is allowed to get wet for prolongued periods - may need to reapply finish to restore sheen this produces a beautiful finish, especially on heart pine - possibly as waterproofing for boots except that I hear it will rot stitching if other than synthetic Lawrence london@sunSITE.unc.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Dec 7 00:12:28 EST 1994 Article: 1027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 02:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <941206202550595@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 56 From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:56:13 GMT From: "F. HENRY" Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the following two cases from my own experience: Falconer Henry, Capital Region Beekeepers Association, Victoria, B.C., Canada 1> Well I don't know how unusual it is, but I have been called on for crude yellow bees wax a few times from our friendly family mortician. He told me he uses it as one ingredient in a secret old family formula for making cosmetic wax used in preparings people who may need a little reconstruction after death for open casket funeral rites. My honey house is conveniently a few hundred yards away from his place of work, the local funeral home. But have never had a problem with bees bringing their wax back as by law the casket is sealed prior to bringing it outside, and with the cheep plastic flowers replacing the real thing at the cemetery across the street there is little need for my bees to do much more there then pass by reverently. 2> Beeswax has also been used here abouts in a formula for tree grafting wax. Again if the formula does not contain some honey bee repellent it will be stolen back very fast the first hot day and the graft can be lost. 3> A mixture of Beeswax and asphalt was once very useful in the coastal areas that used red wood irrigation troughs in contoured strawberry beds. The bees did not en grace themselves with strawberry growers for many years after the first year as within one season ALL the tar and wax was removed by the bees in the area. The beehives themselves were a nasty mess also with this black bee glue that really made a mess of beekeepers hands and gloves. It took several years and the realization that bees were contributing to the productiveness of the strawberry crop before growers were willing to forget and forgive. Today bees are protected in the same area and in some cases that have a lack of local bees, money is paid to beekeepers to pollinate strawberry, but not as a rule as beekeepers are in the area for the winter and spring build up from other plants such as the blue gum trees. Hope this is what you were looking for and I am sure as I will think of other moments of glory with bees wax, others will have bigger and better tails to tell. ttul Andy- From tlc@pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk Wed Dec 7 12:37:53 EST 1994 Article: 1028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!festival!nerc-keyworth!pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk!tlc From: tlc@pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk (Tom A. Lachlan-Cope) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:28:33 Organization: British Antarctic Survey Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.171.137.158 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >Subject: Unusual uses for beeswax? >From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:56:13 GMT >From: "F. HENRY" >Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? >I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the >following two cases from my own experience: >Do you know any other out-of-the-ordinary applications for beeswax? >No need to mention candles and batik dyeing, as these are common uses. > Well I am not sure if this counts but I was asked last year to supply some beeswax to seal the nickel sulphate filter (a glass cell filled with nickel sulphate solution) on a Dobson Ozone Spectrometer. The instructions for the instrument written many years ago specified beeswax. Tom Lachlan-Cope British Antarctic Survey From rus@bga.com Thu Dec 8 19:29:42 EST 1994 Article: 1029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!rus From: rus@bga.com (Paul Terry) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Bee Pollen Date: 8 Dec 1994 15:05:59 GMT Organization: Spring Virtual Community 512/302-4000 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3c77cn$sol@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: edwin.bga.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Want to find a source for 300 lb drums of bee pollen that is pure, clean and luminscent in color. Do NOT want impurities, bee legs, grittiness, or contaminants of any kind. Does anyone know where I can get a list of beekeepers worldwide on the net? Is anyone coming to the American Beekeeping Convention in Austin, Texas, where we are located. -- Paul Terry Walhus The Spring Bee Pollen Collective 6705 N Lamar 264 Austin TX 78752 512/302-4000 fax: 302-4001 email terry@spring.com and rus@bga.com telnet spring.com and sign on as new From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Dec 8 19:29:43 EST 1994 Article: 1030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping on the Internet Date: 7 Dec 1994 17:10:12 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3c4q9k$59n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf After a quick tour of the net, looking at beekeeping information, I want you all to know that if you need beekeeping information and cannot find it on the internet, please let me know. Also check the latest faq. Soon this will be archived and available in news.answers, and sci.answers. Now it is available here, and at sunsite.unc.edu, and hopefully at _other_ spots. Your humble sting addled servant, Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From rogerc@dante.exide.com Thu Dec 8 19:29:44 EST 1994 Article: 1031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!dante.exide.com!dante.exide.com!rogerc From: rogerc@dante.exide.com (Roger Chen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive & Equipment forsale: RTP, NC Date: 8 Dec 1994 20:43:11 GMT Organization: where Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3c7r4v$8al@dante.exide.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inferno.exide.com Though it has been an educational and enjoyable hobby for five years, my priorities are now forcing me to leave beekeeping. I am selling the following equipment, and a working hive as described below: Unassembled hive parts ---------------------- 3 super boxes 9 super frames 2 outside covers 1 inside cover 20 sheets Duragilt 8 1/2 x 16 7/8 (hive body depth) Assembled hive parts -------------------- 2 hive body boxes (no frames) 4 supers, 3 with full comb, 1 with bare Duragilt 3 queen excluders 1 inter-hive frame feeder Misc. hive parts Populated Hive -------------- 1 colony of Italian, crosscombed beyond repair(?), but an excellent honey producer (I have recently taken steps to "repair" it) Other Equipment --------------- Jr. Bench Extractor (Dadant), will take up to 2 hive body sized frames like-new condition Hot knife, excellent condition Medium sized full-body bee suit + veil + hat + gloves 1 pkg Terramycin, unopened 1 pkg Apistan strips, opened, 4 strips removed Will sell all above items for $400 (cash only), but will consider selling individual items _as_long_as_ I sell the populated hives first. Will consider reasonable offers - please inquire to: rogerc@exide.com (Roger Chen) Note: the extractor and hot-knife are worth over $300 together if purchased new from Dadant. From markvam@aol.com Thu Dec 8 19:29:47 EST 1994 Article: 1032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winterizing colonies Date: 8 Dec 1994 14:40:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3c7nei$gqu@newsbf01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com I'm a hobbyist, new to the art, with one colony in upstate New York. I'm interested in advice about how best to prepare the colony for our often-brutal winters. Should I wrap, and if so, how and with what? Should I drill a ventilation hole in the top super? Please reply here or e-mail me directly at MarkVam@aol.com From N0OVF@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU Thu Dec 8 19:29:48 EST 1994 Article: 1033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!nic.smsu.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!urvile.msus.edu!nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu!dialin-003.mankato.msus.edu!user From: N0OVF@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU (Chris Schmelzer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 6 Dec 1994 04:47:26 GMT Organization: Mankato State University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-003.mankato.msus.edu In article , cspillne@mail.tcd.ie (Charlie Spillane) wrote: > Dear subscribers, > > I wonder if anyone can inform me of whether there are varieties of > "domesticated" bees which are endangered in Europe as I am interested > in knowing how broad the genepool of "domesticated bees" is? > > Also: > > Are all bees susceptible to varroasis and could anyone provide > any references on breeding of bees, or good references on bees > in general? > Brother Adams strain of bees, the Buckfast bee, is supposed to be genetically resistant to varroa and tracheal mites. I used them for several years and found them to be very gentle, good wintering, and good producers here in Minnesota. They are available from Weaver Apiaries in Texas... -- Christopher Schmelzer Internet: n0ovf@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Packet: n0ovf@kf0vc.mn.usa.noam From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Dec 8 19:54:16 EST 1994 Article: 1034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ventilation holes Date: 9 Dec 1994 00:37:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3c88sp$nm3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3c4q9k$59n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Dan Buchsbaum wrote: >Hi from warm and balmy Houston, Tx! >I am nearing the end of my first year of beekeeping and am wondering if I >should dare to overide a decision my bees have made. One of my two hives >has bees who insist on plugging up their ventilation hole. If this hole is the one bored in the top box, then I'd let 'em fill it in. This technique was designed for bees overwintering in the North. Bees are really good at ventilating themselves. Anyone else? Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Dec 8 22:58:53 EST 1994 Article: 1035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Varieties Date: 8 Dec 1994 00:20:58 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3c5jha$ov6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Chris Schmelzer wrote: >In article , cspillne@mail.tcd.ie >(Charlie Spillane) wrote: edited text >Brother Adams strain of bees, the Buckfast bee, is supposed to be >genetically resistant to varroa and tracheal mites. I used them for >several years and found them to be very gentle, good wintering, and good >producers here in Minnesota. They are available from Weaver Apiaries in >Texas... The Buckfast line from Weaver in the US is _not_, _not_ resistant to varroa. This line is very tolerant to tracheal mites and beekeepers around the country are pleased with this line overall. Brother Adam worked extremely hard to create these bees, and they are really nice to work with. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From moroney@world.std.com Fri Dec 9 23:20:31 EST 1994 Article: 1036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Winterizing colonies Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3c7nei$gqu@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:09:30 GMT Lines: 26 In article <3c7nei$gqu@newsbf01.news.aol.com>, markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) wrote: > I'm a hobbyist, new to the art, with one colony in upstate New York. I'm > interested in advice about how best to prepare the colony for our > often-brutal winters. Should I wrap, and if so, how and with what? Should > I drill a ventilation hole in the top super? Please reply here or e-mail > me directly at MarkVam@aol.com Your hive should consist of 2 hive bodies full of honey and bees. It's probably too late to feed them if this is not the case. You should have the entrance reducer set to the smallest setting. You should have an upper hole of some sort. Some inner covers are designed so that you get the upper hole if you remove a cutout and put it on upside-down, so you don't have to drill hive bodies. As to wrapping, there is some debate on this issue. If the wrapping holds moisture in, it'll do more harm than good. Tar paper such as what's used under roofing is what's traditionally used, but it holds moisture in. I've heard of Tyvek (house wrap) being used as it keeps wind out but lets moisture through. (hey if it works for people's houses why not bee's houses? :-) ) I'm not an expert though. My 2 hives did survive last year's nasty winter without any wrapping. Be sure any wrapping doesn't block the upper hole, staple the wrap to the whole area and poke a hole through it. -Mike From killoran@ll.mit.edu Fri Dec 9 23:20:32 EST 1994 Article: 1037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!ll.mit.edu!killoran From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Subject: Re: Winterizing colonies In-Reply-To: moroney@world.std.com's message of Fri, 9 Dec 1994 04:09:30 GMT Message-ID: <9412091337.PN16169@LL.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA References: <3c7nei$gqu@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 13:37:15 -0500 Lines: 29 In article moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > You should have the entrance reducer set to the smallest setting. A hint here is to have the opening pointing up. That is, make it a 'U' as opposed to a 'n'. This way, if there are a pile of dead bees over the winter, they're less likely to block the door. > You should have an upper hole > of some sort. Some inner covers are designed so that you get the upper > hole if you remove a cutout and put it on upside-down, so you don't have to > drill hive bodies. What I did was to flip over the inner cover (so the extra space is _in_ the hive), and then made a one inch cut out in the edge of the cover. This acts as an upper hole and doesn't require drilling the hive body. During the season I swap upper and lower hive bodies (the upper tends to get used and the bottom left empty) and I didn't want to have to worry about where the hole was. Another thing that I'm going to try is to put some crinkled up newspaper between the inner and outer cover. This will act as a sponge for the moisture coming up through the inner cover hole (the oval one). -Mike Killoran -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Dec 9 23:20:33 EST 1994 Article: 1038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!theo!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Beeswax, Hams, IRC, Bells, A Survey, the meaning of life, and more Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 02:48:28 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 123 There was some complaint about the level of chatter on BEE-L and the suggestion was made that this is the place for small-talk. I don't know how many of the group have access to USENET, or (can) read this group, but here's what I posted over there. . . Some of this may be irrelevant here, but read down, you may find something interesting. . . Ignore my comments in the post to the list re replying by mail, because on USENET, it seems the more trivial the post the better ;-) Allen * * * * * * * * * Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. . . . So sayeth the FAQ But please read on. > >My thanks to all who contributed interesting uses. I find that 'what is > >beeswax used for' close to top of the list of FAQ's at any public demo > >on bees and beekeeping and was getting tired of giving the same old > >answers. Apologies to those who found the correspondence irrelevant to > >their own operations. > That was quite a set of responses about uses of beeswax, but may I > suggest another procedure. Broadcasting a question to all on the net is a > great idea. However, when three or four responses come in, I believe it > courteous for subsequent respondents to reply directly to the questioner by > the private number, rather than burden the net with dozens of calls. > > If the initiating person then gets a good input of potential use to many > on the net, the replies can be summarized and sent out as a summary on the > net so that we get one long message rather than many many short messages > that may or may not be of interest (and/or listed on the FAQ). > > The reason for my comments: some of us receive an audible signal that a > new message has come in -- a very handy cue when we are expecting a return > message about an important topic from someone. If that bell goes off > several times an hour and each turns out to be yet another response to a > single question of only moderate interest, it becomes difficult to > concentrate on other tasks. It is sort of like a lot of people dialing the > wrong number (ours) all the time. Thanks for the explanation of why posts can be aggravating. I have a bell, too, but don't leave my mail reader on all the time, so it never ocurred to me that it could be a problem beyond pushing 'd' ten or so times to clear out uninteresting mail. I don't feel compelled to read everything in my mailbox. I am sure that there are a range of opinions on what is fit for posting on this list, from those who feel that only two or three things a year are worth posting to those who would (like myself) wish to see lots of topics posted daily, whether I care to read them or not. To my knowledge there are no other places for such a discussion to take place. I enjoyed the enthusiasm shown in the few responses I did read - and I approve personally. Now, whether things fit the Charter or not, may be a judgement call. In this particular case, I confess that the subject was not read by yours truly, but flushed (mostly) unread. You can be sure, however that I know it is in the logs for reference if I should ever need to know - and it is a question every beekeeper is asked over and over. I would personally *much* prefer to see some chatter on the channel, than see days go by where people are afraid to post, and fail to bring forward their thoughts and questions, no matter how banal they might seem to some others. The very fact that there were so many responses indicated that it is an area of great interest! Speaking of logs, those who are concerned about being disturbed by incoming messages can unsubscribe, but keep up to date on BEE-L by requesting the latest log from the LISTSERV whenever they feel like reading it. (Email me if you haven't been able and need help). Perhaps we need another bee list. One for *serious* ;) discussion. And one for light chatter. Unfortunately I don't (yet) have the software to set up such a thing. Maybe soon, we can split the list and have a chatter group and a group which only receives summaries and bulletins. In the meantime, not to ring your bell an extra time with the following trivia, I wish to announce that so far ten (10) Bee-l'rs are also ham radio operators and we may have a worldwide chat on ham radio as a result of my last survey!!! ALSO, how many would like to meet on IRC some night/day for a bee chat??? Respond to me (NOT the list). I confess I am just getting going on IRC, but please do email me - anyone who is interested - under the subject heading 'IRC for bees' so that I will read it. Please bee careful with your reply and do not include bee-l in the reply or cc line. Read the header carefully before you send and make sure it has *only* my address on it - OR you will ring some bells you shouldn't! I would like to hear comments form *everyone* who cares - on what is the correct and proper use of this list. Please email me your comments and I will summarise the (printable) ones to the list. Comments to dicka@cuug.ab.ca. Flames to /dev/nul. :) W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA > -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From sltqd@cc.usu.edu Sat Dec 10 20:52:46 EST 1994 Article: 1039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sltqd From: sltqd@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are these varroa mites? Message-ID: <1994Dec9.115953.35000@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 11:59:53 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Bad news: I went out yesterday to take a look at the hives and found out of six, five were dead. Upon inspection I found the cause: mites. These were small, roundish, red creatures, all dead. Some were still attached to the bees in the segments of the abdomens of the dead bees. Are these the cursed varroa mites? I posted earlier saying i had eight dead hives. I checked the base boards of those hives yesterday when I brought the latest dead hives in. These older boards also had dead mites in them. We might have treated them earlier if we had known what to look for. My dad contacted the Utah state entomologist who said that there was no point in treating them now, during the winter. I guess you learn as you go. As I asked before, are these the damnable varroa I have been hearing about? Can we use the infected boxes and frames again, or should they be destroyed? Is there anything else we can do for next year to prevent the mites from infecting? Thanks for your help earlier and now, Todd Seamons SLTQD@cc.USU.edu From keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu Sun Dec 11 12:36:21 EST 1994 Article: 1040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!oregon.uoregon.edu!KEANCL From: keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 11 Dec 1994 02:53:58 GMT Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3cdpk6$fro@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu In article <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >From: "F. HENRY" >Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? > >I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the >following two cases from my own experience: > >1) A military friend asked me for beeswax to stiffen the points of his > moustache - he had trained it out about three inches on each side > but drooped at the ends. A light application of beeswax each morning > fixed it for the day. > >2) Another friend, who is into medieval jousting, needed to stiffen his > leather armour because these enthusiasts get carried away in the heat > of battle and whack one another pretty hard sometimes. (In the Middle > Ages, the poor foot soldiers used leather while the knights used metal > armour. Nowadays, metal armour is cheap but heavy - those who can afford > it use lighter, leather armour). My friend had heard that leather could > be stiffened by dipping it in beeswax. (Does anyone know if this is > another medieval practice?). The individual pieces of leather were > not large, so we heated them up a bit in an oven and dipped them in > liquid beeswax. The results were very satisfactory on the field of > battle and it was about five years before the leather had to be > treated again. > >Do you know any other out-of-the-ordinary applications for beeswax? >No need to mention candles and batik dyeing, as these are common uses. > >Thanks in anticipation, > >Adam Finkelstein Price Hall >Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ I make a shoe protector with beeswax. I melt about 1 part beeswax with 4 parts olive oil. (Just estimates- trial and error works great). I then pour it into short jars and let it cool. I've been using it as a leather water repellant for almost 2 years. You can also use it as lip balm. I've also read that in the middle ages, flax fibers were dipped in melted beeswax. The were then stuffed in the end of a hemlock stalk and used as a torch. Paul Cauthorn keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Dec 12 12:53:41 EST 1994 Article: 1041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are these varroa mites? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 07:44:12 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 80 Message-ID: <1708A6CD1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1994Dec9.115953.35000@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <1994Dec9.115953.35000@cc.usu.edu> sltqd@cc.usu.edu writes: > >Bad news: > >I went out yesterday to take a look at the hives and found out of six, >five were dead... > >As I asked before, are these the damnable varroa I have been hearing about? >Can we use the infected boxes and frames again, or should they be destroyed? >Is there anything else we can do for next year to prevent the mites from >infecting? > >Thanks for your help earlier and now, > Todd, Telling you what you already know, "Yup. Mites have done you in!". It's a sad and hard lesson that more and more of us are learning. Seems one would have to live in a cave not to have at least heard of varroa, but it's not until it hits home that we realize the "It CAN happen here!". I follow very closely current literature about the mites' progress, but it wasn't until I had 'em that I took the threat seriously. The bad news, as you've noted, is that you lost 5 outta 6 hives. Chances are that hive number 6 is in jeopardy. You can still treat that hive, but it's only worth the bother if there is a sufficient remaining population to warrant treatment. You'll need two strips and they come packaged by the dozen (or is it ten?) for about $20 U.S. I would guess (and this is ONLY a guess) that your remaining hive is probably close to the end and probably won't make it through the winter, treatment or not. The most critical time to treat your hives is in the fall, about the time when drones are being expelled. At that time, drone brood (preferred by varroa) is next to nonexistant and varroa switches over to worker brood. The percentage of infected workers skyrockets at a time when your hive needs a healthy worker population in preparation for winter. The added stress of varroa can cause the workers to die before they make it through the winter, or as noted in this forum, can cause your bees to abscond (take off for a better location or perhaps move into neighboring hives - taking the infestation with them)! Thus, it is very important to diagnose and treat for varroa when the honey season is winding down. In these parts (Upstate New York) there was a real conflict between the approaching winter and a GREAT(!) fall honey flow. One should never treat hives with ANYTHING while honey supers (for human consumption) are in plave. I opted to withhold treatment until the fall flow was completely over. So far that decision has cost me two out eight hives. Hardly worth the 50 or 60 pounds of honey I got by waiting. The good news is that you will be able to reuse your equipment next spring. The mites are parasites and require healthy hosts to survive. When the bees die, the mites' demise is not far off. You should however be warry of your new bees picking up varroa from your area next year. If hive number 6 survives, it should be suspect. If hive 6 doesn't make it, your area is still suspect. Learn to diagnose varroa by means other than a dead hive. Ether roll or visual examination of drone brood are two methods to determine if your bees have mites. If you find that mites are a problem, get the supers off and the Apistan strips in. And be particularly warry of reinfestation from your own hives. If you find mites in a single hive and treat accordingly, but miss a problem in a neighboring hive, the treated hive may be quick to pick up mites >from the infested but untreated neighbor. Varroa is a REAL problem that can wipe out a hive totally or take a good chunk out of a honey flow if they show up at the wrong time. Murphy's law says they'll probably show up at the peak of the best honey flow of the season. If they do, your choice is to sacrifice the harvest for the sake of your bees or sacrifice your bees in sake of a better harvest. It's more economical to sacrifice the harvest than the bees. I'll keep a closer eye on the problem next year and may opt to skip the fall flow altogether in favor of an early treatment. I'd rather have less honey in the fall and healthy bees in the spring than more honey in the fall and NO bees in the spring. Finally, keep current on breeding efforts. There currently are no breeds available commercially that have proven to be varroa resistant. Buckfast bees show promise towards tracheal (not varroa) mite resistance and there are signs of hope for varroa resistance from other breeds, but nothing is available yet. Currently, Apistan is the best bet, but better bees may be on the horizon. Sorry for your loss. Consider it an expensive lesson from the School of Hard Knocks. Good luck staying mite free next year! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From danb@blkbox.com Mon Dec 12 20:58:31 EST 1994 Article: 1042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ventilation holes Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:25:42 -600 (CST) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3c4q9k$59n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3c4q9k$59n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Hi from warm and balmy Houston, Tx! I am nearing the end of my first year of beekeeping and am wondering if I should dare to overide a decision my bees have made. One of my two hives has bees who insist on plugging up their ventilation hole. Every time I clean it out, they fill it back up. Should I be bullied by my bees on this decision, or make like I'm the boss (ha! what a joke) and keep it cleaned out. Let me know if I'm leaving out info you need to know to answer this. Chow for now......................................Cynthia From ben@iconz.co.nz Mon Dec 12 20:58:32 EST 1994 Article: 1043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!waikato!status.gen.nz!iconz.co.nz!ben From: ben@iconz.co.nz (Ben Torkington) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ventilation holes Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:37:27 GMT Organization: Public Access Internet, Auckland New Zealand Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3chqno$jvd@status> References: <3c4q9k$59n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: iconz.co.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dan Buchsbaum (danb@blkbox.com) wrote: : Hi from warm and balmy Houston, Tx! : I am nearing the end of my first year of beekeeping and am wondering if I : should dare to overide a decision my bees have made. One of my two hives : has bees who insist on plugging up their ventilation hole. Every time I : clean it out, they fill it back up. Should I be bullied by my bees on : this decision, or make like I'm the boss (ha! what a joke) and keep it : cleaned out. Let me know if I'm leaving out info you need to know to : answer this. : Chow for now......................................Cynthia -- Well, sadly, you are never the boss of your bees, you can 'persuade' them not to do things (ie. Swarm :-) but if they have to it's up to them. If the hive entrance is wide enough then I wouldn't worry about the ventilation hole at all. Good Luck. Regards..Ben \\||// oo +-----w--\/--w---------------------------------------------------+ | Ben Torkington ben@iconz.co.nz | | | | "I'm sorry...I farted in the church." -King Missile | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Tue Dec 13 15:40:36 EST 1994 Article: 1044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!halo.arc.nasa.gov!westphal From: westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Mites: two observations Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:48:05 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3chrbl$deh@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: halo.arc.nasa.gov I use bees for bee venom therapy and as such am often observing them through clear jars. Observation 1: Nine out of ten mites are on the abdomen and out of view when looking at the bees in the hive. I have had several beekeepers say that they didn't have mites, and mites couldn't be seen in the hive, but as soon as a get them in my jar, I can see their abdomens and one mite per twenty or thirty bees becomes real obvious. So, if you want a better look at them, put a bunch in a jar and look at their bellys. Observation 2: I have seen mites on workers in spring and summer and fall. The party line says that they move off the drones and onto the workers in fall. That may be true in some cases, but I have seen MANY on workers in summer. So, I'd be looking for them all year long. You might not be able to treat a problem during honey flow, but you will know that they are around and be ready to treat after honey flow. Doug Westphal Santa Cruz, CA ps. Mites seem to be killing 40 to 70% of hives in San Jose and Santa Cruz. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Dec 13 15:42:35 EST 1994 Article: 1045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to treat mites(was Re: Varroa Mites: two observations) Date: 12 Dec 1994 18:58:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3ci6he$gu9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3chrbl$deh@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3chrbl$deh@news.arc.nasa.gov>, Doug Westphal wrote: (Deleted) >Observation 2: I have seen mites on workers in spring and summer and fall. >The party line says that they move off the drones >and onto the workers in fall. >That may be true in some cases, but I have seen MANY on workers in summer. >So, I'd be looking for them all year long. You might not be able to treat >a problem during honey flow, but you will know that they are around and be >ready to treat after honey flow. The most effective time to treat Varroa with Apistan is when there is no brood at all. Apistan works on contact. So, if there are only worker bees, and no brood, Apistan will contact these bees most effectively. Treating in Fall, winter, or spring is fine, but the best control will be obtained when there are only house bees. I've seen Varroa on queens. NASTY. Adam > >Doug Westphal >Santa Cruz, CA > >ps. Mites seem to be killing 40 to 70% of hives in San Jose and Santa Cruz. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 13 19:24:17 EST 1994 Article: 1046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!not-for-mail From: phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dr G A Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 13 Dec 1994 16:52:32 -0000 Organization: University of Warwick, Coventry, UK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3ckjgg$67j@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3c3fgt$1eaj@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <3ckcjv$lpe@whale.st.usm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crocus-fddi.csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My brother uses it to lubricate and waterproof the zips on his scuba drysuit. It is better than greases as it doesn't soak into the fabric bits and therefore means that the zip can be replaced easily, don't ask me why they can't put a zip into greasy material. He takes most of my wax in 2oz blocks for this purpose. graham From zeide@cotton.uamont.edu Wed Dec 14 01:43:02 EST 1994 Article: 1047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!att-out!pacbell.com!uop!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!cotton.uamont.edu!ZEIDE From: zeide@cotton.uamont.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: Bee Pollen Date: 12 Dec 1994 22:27:22 GMT Organization: University of Arkansas at Monticello Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ciioa$30k@news.ualr.edu> References: <3c77cn$sol@giga.bga.com> Reply-To: zeide@cotton.uamont.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cotton.uamont.edu In article <3c77cn$sol@giga.bga.com>, rus@bga.com (Paul Terry) writes: >Want to find a source for 300 lb drums of bee pollen that is pure, clean >and luminscent in color. Do NOT want impurities, bee legs, grittiness, >or contaminants of any kind. Does anyone know where I can get a list of >beekeepers worldwide on the net? Is anyone coming to the American >Beekeeping Convention in Austin, Texas, where we are located. > >-- >Paul Terry Walhus >The Spring Bee Pollen Collective >6705 N Lamar 264 >Austin TX 78752 >512/302-4000 fax: 302-4001 >email terry@spring.com and rus@bga.com >telnet spring.com and sign on as new Paul, It will be hard to get so much pollen. I remember one method that might help. To decide whether it would, please tell me how are you going to use it. Boris /sig From dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu Wed Dec 14 10:02:26 EST 1994 Article: 1048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!darwin.sura.net!nntp.st.usm.edu!whale.st.usm.edu!not-for-mail From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 13 Dec 1994 08:54:55 -0600 Organization: University of Southern Mississippi Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3ckcjv$lpe@whale.st.usm.edu> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3c3fgt$1eaj@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: whale.st.usm.edu Of course, one current use of beeswax is in various formulas for the lubricants used to coat the bullets used in target pistols. -- Donald R. Newcomb * University of Southern Mississippi dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu * "The God who gave us life gave us liberty dnewcomb@falcon.st.usm.edu * at the same time." T. Jefferson (1774) From moroney@world.std.com Wed Dec 14 21:40:04 EST 1994 Article: 1049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: When to treat mites Message-ID: <0HFxkaE96VmJ071yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3chrbl$deh@news.arc.nasa.gov> <3ci6he$gu9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 01:09:20 GMT Lines: 13 In article <3ci6he$gu9@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > The most effective time to treat Varroa with Apistan is when there is no > brood at all. Apistan works on contact. So, if there are only worker bees, > and no brood, Apistan will contact these bees most effectively. > Treating in Fall, winter, or spring is fine, but the best control will be > obtained when there are only house bees. I wondered how varroa don't die off every winter when there is no brood (in this area, anyway). Do they feed on adult bees as well as brood, or do they simply survive without food until there is brood for them? -Mike From dslibby@vishwa.win-uk.net Wed Dec 14 21:40:05 EST 1994 Article: 1050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!vishwa!dslibby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <23@vishwa.win-uk.net> Reply-To: dslibby@vishwa.win-uk.net (David Scott Libby) From: dslibby@vishwa.win-uk.net (David Scott Libby) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:00:26 GMT Subject: Wasps robbing hives any suggestions? Lines: 15 Hello out there! I am having a lot of problems with wasps robbing my hives, in fact I have lost three! I have tried setting various traps but to no avail. The hives and I are in the Midlands of England if any of you expert apiarists out there have any suggestions as to what else I might try then please mail me at dslibby@vishwa.win-uk.net Thank you very much David Libby From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Thu Dec 15 20:34:16 EST 1994 Article: 1051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Subject: Yugos? Message-ID: Sender: news@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (news account) Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 15:13:56 GMT Lines: 4 Was in a hardware store last night, saw reference to a new bee being 'developed in the US' called Yugo which shows great resistance to or something similarly titled. I only ask because we are just so..chatty Regards, Lars/lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu From htho@se.alcbel.be Fri Dec 16 18:45:34 EST 1994 Article: 1052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!ub4b!btmplq.god.bel.alcatel.be!se.alcbel.be!htho From: htho@se.alcbel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are these varroa mites? Date: 14 Dec 1994 11:54:09 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 44 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3cmmd1$2q8@btmplq.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <1994Dec9.115953.35000@cc.usu.edu> <1708A6CD1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: htho@se.alcbel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 In article <1994Dec9.115953.35000@cc.usu.edu> sltqd@cc.usu.edu writes: > >Bad news: > >I went out yesterday to take a look at the hives and found out of six, >five were dead... > >As I asked before, are these the damnable varroa I have been hearing about? >Can we use the infected boxes and frames again, or should they be destroyed? >Is there anything else we can do for next year to prevent the mites from >infecting? > >Thanks for your help earlier and now, > Todd, We are living here with Varroa for more than 5 years. Apistan strips have proved to be the most effective and handy remedy. We apply it immediately after the last harvest (begin august) and we leave the strips in the hives for maximum 6 weeks. In emergency cases you can use it in spring too, but then the honney is unsuitable for human consumption. The main problem is the contamination of the wax with fluvalinate after several years of treatement or after faulty use of the Varroa strips. I presume it will be found in the honney eventually. There is no problem in re-using your boxes and frames. The main source of infection are the colonies in your neighboorhood that are heavily infected with Varroa mites. Cheers, -- Hugo Thone / ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE / SE121 / F.Wellesplein 1 / B-2018 Antwerp Email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be / Phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 / Fax:(32) 3 240 99 50 do bee do bee do .... From cst@cnj.digex.net Fri Dec 16 18:45:35 EST 1994 Article: 1053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!usenet From: cst@cnj.digex.net (Charles St. Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: photographing bees during winter Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:09:01 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 26 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[6970] Message-ID: <3cpm6d$hil@cnj.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cjc00192.slip.digex.net X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.4@cjc00192.slip.digex.net Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. I'm a freelance photographer who needs a little advice. One of the editors that I work with is interested in a story on beekeeping. I have plenty of images of bees on flowers and in flight, but she wants me to get some photos of bees in a hive. My concern is that it is too cold now to open a hive. My understanding is that at about 57F the bees cluster on the top of the lower hive body into a ball that expands or contracts in responce to the ambient temperature. The bees slowly circulate in this ball where it is considerably warmer in the center. Occasionally they will make short flights for elimination purposes if the temperature is warm enough. I'm a photographer, not a beekeeper, so please correct me if I'm wrong (obviously there are many details that I've glossed over). My question is will it be harmful to a hive to open it up long enough to get photographs (probably in the range of 15 minutes). Maybe a better question is at what temperature will it NOT be harmful to the hive? Also how would you recommend finding a beekeeper in my area (central NJ) that would work with me? Thanks in advance for any help. If there is any interested I could post some digitized bee photos as a token of my thanks... Charles St. Charles cst@cnj.digex.com From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Dec 16 22:11:47 EST 1994 Article: 1054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are These Varroa Mites Date: 17 Dec 1994 01:31:53 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ctf29$d9n@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Regarding Todd's loss of 5 out of 6 hives to Varroa.... I think you should be wondering why the 6th hive is still alive. It may be that they have some degree of mite resistance and are therefore worth saving - even if in a weakened state. Andy Morris' advice is sound, but if they look at all like they might make it through the Winter, you ought to consider treating and then producing some splits from them.... Just some dissenting advice... David J. Trickett -- UPenn From JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu Fri Dec 16 22:11:48 EST 1994 Article: 1055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!jvf101 Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:51:55 EST From: Jennifer Finley Message-ID: <94350.175155JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: photographing bees during winter References: <3cpm6d$hil@cnj.digex.net> Lines: 73 Hi! Welcome to the world of beekeeping! To paraphrase your question: Can you open a beehive for short periods in winter without jeopardizing the bees? In a word: Yes. I have probably opened more beehives in the winter than I have in the summer over the course of 5 years of tracheal mite studies -- sampling every six weeks means sampling in February cold and two feet of snow too. The only ill effects I ever noticed were in colonies that had six other reasons to die anyway. Normal, healthy colonies are not adversely affected. As you mentioned, the bees comsume their honey as a fuel to generate heat inside their clusters, which prevents them from freezing in winter. The inner core of the cluster is maintained at approximately 32 degrees C (93-94 F), while the outer edge of the cluster is regulated to 20 degrees C (68 F). If the bees want to fly during a sunny winter afternoon, they create a warm tunnel of air to bridge the gap between the cluster and the entrance to their hive, because, while they may have fuzzy backs, they don't have fuzzy slippers! :) Anyway, here are a few pointers to guide you in your winter observations: 1) Try to pick a time when the bees are flying. Most activity occurs between 2:00 and 4:00 pm on calm afternoons. This usually coincides with the warmest part of the day. (I have seen lots of bees flying at 25 degrees F on a sunny day.) 2) Definitely pick a time when there is little wind. Wind chill saps the heat from bees just as it does from people or more so. 3) While there is a lot of talk about temperature cut-offs for opening hives, I have yet to have a temperature-related problem. Above 55 F the bees do not need to concern themselves with heat conservation, so you can have them open as long as you can stand. Above 40 F the bees will most probably be flying if conditions permit. Above 32 F most colonies will fly for a few hours in the afternoon conditions permitting. Between 32 F and about 20 F strong colonies will fly intermittedly in the afternoons, more colonies will fly on sunny, calm days. Below 20 F the majority of colonies stay home and human comfort begins to come into play, but you can still open hives for a short period if you're crazy enough. 4) Keep track of your "open time" and try to close the colonies in a reasonable amount of time. Fifteen minutes is no problem in most weather. If you have moderate temperatures, say mid-30's, and LITTLE WIND, you could extend this time to 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour. Again, the amount of wind chill is the most damaging factor, and you need to adjust your "open time" accordingly. The bees will usually tell you when they've had enough -- they sit quietly for a while, but if they persist in climbing to the top bars or taking short flights to land on your shoulder -- it's time to put the lid on. 5) Try to disturb the cluster as little as possible. Do not remove frames from the middle of the bees, take the outermost frame if you must. If the cluster is occupying several boxes and you must split them, be sure to protect the bees in the upper box(es) from the wind. Stack any removed boxes so that the bees in them are together as much as possible (but don't rearrange frames). Set them straight down into an outer cover (don't angle them and leave air gaps) and cover the top with a second cover or piece of burlap, etc. You will probably need very little smoke -- enough to crack the lid, but that's about it unless you delve into the very heart of the cluster. Have fun warming your hands over the cluster!!! You'll wish you could take them home in your pockets!!!! Jennifer Finley Graduate student, Entomology, Penn State University From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Dec 16 22:11:49 EST 1994 Article: 1056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yugos Date: 17 Dec 1994 01:37:59 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3ctfdn$d9n@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] I believe S & F Honey Farm (Flemington, NJ) is using Yugoslavian stock in their breeding program... -- David J. Trickett -- UPenn From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 16 22:11:50 EST 1994 Article: 1057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are These Varroa Mites Date: 17 Dec 1994 02:03:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3ctgtk$agv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3ctf29$d9n@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3ctf29$d9n@netnews.upenn.edu>, David J Trickett wrote: >Regarding Todd's loss of 5 out of 6 hives to Varroa.... > >I think you should be wondering why the 6th hive is still alive. It may >be that they have some degree of mite resistance and are therefore worth >saving - even if in a weakened state. Andy Morris' advice is sound, but >if they look at all like they might make it through the Winter, you >ought to consider treating and then producing some splits from them.... Well... maybe. If this hive was one out of 1000, maybe you'd have some chance at tolerant stock, but one out of 6 just doesn't cut it in the selection scenario. Check it out though, numbers aren't _always_ right. good luck, Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From paullam@unixg.ubc.ca Sat Dec 17 01:11:32 EST 1994 Article: 1058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!paullam From: paullam@unixg.ubc.ca (Paul Lam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP! HELP! Date: 17 Dec 1994 04:42:51 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ctq8b$ni1@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] To all newsgroup users: I am currently writing a research paper about communication and foraging behavior of the honeybee ( more specificly Apis mellifera and dorsata). The main topic is very familiar to you guys, but totally incomprehensible for an outsider like me: DANCE LANGUAGE vs ODOR SEARCH. In your experience, do you find that the bee dance is more important than the use of odors for food searching, or vice versa? I have read a lot of articles, and found that a lot of the results contradict each other. I'm really stuck, so any comment will be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- |~~~\ /| | | | |___/ / | | | | | /----| | | | | / | \___/ |____ From jcooper@infinet.com Sat Dec 17 01:11:34 EST 1994 Article: 1059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winterizing colonies Date: 16 Dec 1994 01:41:58 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 58 Message-ID: <3cqr96$fah@rigel.infinet.com> References: <3c7nei$gqu@newsbf01.news.aol.com> <9412091337.PN16169@LL.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Killoran (killoran@ll.mit.edu) wrote: : In article moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes: : > You should have the entrance reducer set to the smallest setting. : A hint here is to have the opening pointing up. That is, make it : a 'U' as opposed to a 'n'. This way, if there are a pile of dead : bees over the winter, they're less likely to block the door. : > You should have an upper hole : > of some sort. Some inner covers are designed so that you get the upper : > hole if you remove a cutout and put it on upside-down, so you don't have to : > drill hive bodies. : What I did was to flip over the inner cover (so the extra space is _in_ : the hive), and then made a one inch cut out in the edge of the cover. : This acts as an upper hole and doesn't require drilling the hive body. : During the season I swap upper and lower hive bodies (the upper tends : to get used and the bottom left empty) and I didn't want to have to : worry about where the hole was. : Another thing that I'm going to try is to put some crinkled up newspaper : between the inner and outer cover. This will act as a sponge for the : moisture coming up through the inner cover hole (the oval one). : -Mike Killoran : -- : Mike Killoran Zen says: : killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, : (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. Many beekeepers, myself included, believe that adequate ventilation is most important in carrying bees through the winter. This is because water is produced as the bees metabolize honey; the hive's heat causes the moisture to rise; the moisture condenses and is likely to freeze on the inner cover and the lid; on warm, sunny days, the frozen water melts and rains into the hive. That is not good. My own practice is to provide at least one 1-inch diameter hole in the top most super. Much more importantly, I use spacers to provide a 3/8-inch gap between the front of inner cover and the top of the uppermost super. Way back yonder in time, I used bits of twigs to prop up the front of the inner cover. Later, I used shim stock that was 3/8-inch thick at the front and tapered to nothing at the back. I now build that taper into the inner covers when I make them. Be sure to put the lid over the inner cover in a manner that does not block the ventilating gap. In our habitat--40 degrees north latitude, USDA hardiness zone 5B--I have never had a colony perish from the cold. Good luck -- ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From edeck@gatecom.com Sat Dec 17 21:59:22 EST 1994 Article: 1060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.cic.net!gatecoms.gatecom.com!usenet From: EVA DECK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:45:35 -0500 (EST) Organization: Gateway Communications Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3c3fgt$1eaj@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> <3ckcjv$lpe@whale.st.usm.edu> <3ckjgg$67j@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatecoms.gatecom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ckjgg$67j@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> We use beeswax to coat the insides of breadpans when baking bread: warm the pan enough to melt the wax and rub a chunk of wax over it. We usually have enough to do these things with the spent stubs of home-made candles. Also on cookie sheets (just rub a spent candle stub over the cold cookie sheet). Also, a generous coating in the bottom of the omelet pan results in a beautifully-colored and delicious omelet. We just hope the ingestion of beeswax isn't hamrful. Our info is that it is edible in small quantities. So far so good. ======================================================================== Charles and Eva Deck 2805 Trenton Drive Trenton, MI 48183 ======================================================================== From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Dec 17 21:59:23 EST 1994 Article: 1061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are these varroa mites? Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <941211102050613@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 27 > Bad news: I went out yesterday to take a look at the hives and found out of six, five wer dead. Upon inspection I found the cause: mites. These were small, roundish, red creatures, all dead. Some were still attached to the bees in the segments Sorry to hear of your loss, did you treat your hives and they died, or did they just die without treatment? ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ BEE-C-IN-U Andy- ³ ³ \ / ³ ³ \ O ^ O / ³ ³ \ ( < > ) / ³ ³ _____________(( ))____________ ³ ³ ( / / (%%”%%%%) \ \ ) ³ ³ (___/___/__/ (%%%%%”%) \__\___\___) ³ ³ ( / /(=======)\ \ ) ³ ³ (__/___/ ((%%%%%)) \___\__) ³ ³ / (”====) \ ³ ³ ” / (=====) \ ³ ³ varroa mites (%%%) The Deadly ³ ³ | Hitchhikers ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ--Ù From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Sat Dec 17 21:59:24 EST 1994 Article: 1062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk!user From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Subject: Re: Query about Skeps (REMAIL PLEASE!) Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 13:20:24 GMT Lines: 13 Sorry to bother you again. I managed to see about three or four headers for messages in response to my queries about skeps, etc, before the mail server died and lost them all. Can people who took time to reply by email, please do me the favour of resending your letters. Thanks again. Yours Mike Reddy -- P.S. I would have had a witty signature, but the Government put VAT on it! Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk OR mreddy@glamorgan.ac.uk Snail Mail: Mike Reddy, J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK Tel: +44 (0)443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)443 482 715 From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sat Dec 17 21:59:25 EST 1994 Article: 1063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Query about Skeps, Bramble and Bees Date: 16 Dec 1994 13:05:08 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3cs3a4$ibl@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article , Mike Reddy wrote: ... >Skep-making: Does anyone around South Wales have any Thatcher's Straw >(longer stalks than in normal straw bales) and wild bramble that they would >not mind loosing (Just think, someone else to help in the garden tidy-up >this Winter!)? You should be able to buy a skep from you local beekeeper supplies. Many keepers use them for catching swarms. (I just use a cardboard box.) No need to make one - but good luck if you do! ... >Starting up a skep-based Hive: Naturally I can split off a new queen and >place her into the skep (an artificial swarm). However, I'd like to be able >to show a "waxed up" skep to the visitors (which would require forst >populating the skep, then relocating the bees to another one) without >having to kill the occupants (which was the old method before our modern >hives). They used to use Sulphur fires to poison the insects (and the >honey?), but I don't want to do that to the bees I am going to use, >naturally! I don't think it will be that easy to persuade the bees to leave their nest. Remember, it is full of honey, wax and brood, so it is a huge investment for them to give up. Even if you do manage to drive the bees out, the abandonned skep will (a) contain brood that will die and rot, and (b) be very attractive to any passing bee looking for somewhere to rob or swarm. How about keeping skep active, but placing it on top of a glass plate, and fitting a mirror underneath so people can look in? Or instead of a mirror, raise it up above head height? (This would also keep the bees' flight path out of the way.) You'd have to arrange for moving the skep to its new site, and that would require care; but it would be a lot more interesting than an ordinary observation hive. I've never seen such a thing, myself. (Now you've got me thinking about our next open day...) -Norman From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Mon Dec 19 00:26:49 EST 1994 Article: 1064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!att-out!pacbell.com!ames!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!yuma!usenet From: Lou Bjostad Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! HELP! Date: 17 Dec 1994 20:56:13 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3cvj9d$5t3@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> References: <3ctq8b$ni1@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu paullam@unixg.ubc.ca (Paul Lam) wrote: > > I am currently writing a research paper about communication and foraging > behavior of the honeybee...I have read a lot of > articles, and found that a lot of the results contradict each other. Not surprising! There has been a long-standing disagreement on this issue. Take a look at the following (but use caution-- Wenner is on the "odor" side of the disagreement, and von Frisch on the "dance" side): AUTHOR(s): Wenner, Adrian M. TITLE(s): Anatomy of a controversy : the question of a "language" among bees / Adrian M. Wenner, Patrick H. Wells. New York : Columbia University Press, 1990. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Dec 19 00:26:50 EST 1994 Article: 1065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: antidumping duties on China lighters Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <941213205207621@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 50 *Far from the topic of Beekeeping, but since the US Honey Industry has won favorable ruling from the US ITCH on honey imported from China here is some news from a Company that has gone all the way and won tariff implementations. Andy- Expires: Tue, 20 Dec 94 7:50:34 PST ACategory: financial Slugword: LIGHTERS MILFORD, Conn. (Reuter) - BIC Corp., the nation's only maker of disposable lighters, said Tuesday the government will impose antidumping duties on rival imports from China in response to a petition by the company. In a preliminary ruling, the Department of Commerce imposed duties of 197 percent on about half of the China-made lighters sold in the United States, BIC said. Four companies that account for the remainder of the Chinese imports will be charged duties up to 63 percent. Importers of lighters from China will be forced to post bonds or make cash deposits with the U.S. Customs Service to cover the payment of additional duties, it said. BIC said it also asked the Department of Commerce to impose the duties on a retroactive basis to Sept. 9. A decision is expected by the end of the month, it said. The agency's latest ruling follows a similar action in October on lighter imports from Thailand. In that ruling, the Department imposed a 14.7 percent antidumping duty on top of the current 10-percent duty. Importers of lighters from Thailand are now posting bonds or making cash deposits with U.S. Customs to cover the payment of the additional duties. A final ruling in the Thai case is expected on March 8, 1995. ``As the only remaining U.S. manufacturer of disposable lighters, BIC filed its petition to protect our competitive position so that we can continue to provide consumers with 'Made In The U.S.A.' quality and value,'' said president Raymond Winter. ``There are serious questions as to whether the imported lighters from China and Thailand meet the standards set by the American Society for Testing and Materials Safety Specification for Lighters,'' he said. ``Preliminary research by BIC has found, for example, that many of the low-priced, imported lighters do not carry warning labels, as required by the ASTM standard.'' BIC, based in Milford, Conn., also makes ball point pens, disposable razors and highlight markers. BIC's stock was off 12.5 cents at $25.875 early on the New York Stock Exchange. From pollinator@aol.com Mon Dec 19 00:26:51 EST 1994 Article: 1066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Compiling List of Eastern Pollination Beekeepers Date: 18 Dec 1994 14:05:23 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 36 Sender: news@newsbf01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3d215j$o81@newsbf01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf01.news.aol.com Fruit and vegetable growers are becoming aware of the loss of pollinators and are seeking connections to beekeepers who provide pollination service. West coast delivery systems are well established, with a number of brokers, newsletters, strength inspections, etc. On the east coast pollination is less understood and less organized; and some areas are short of pollination. We are compiling a list of beekeepers who do contract pollination, or who wish to do so, in eastern North America. This list we hope to publish in the March issue of Eastern Pollinator Newsletter. It will also be available by e-mail upon request in early March. Notice: Eastern beekeepers who provide, or would like to provide, pollination service are entitled to a free listing in the March issue of Eastern Pollinator Newsletter. Needed are name, address, telephone, number of hives made available, crops you wish to pollinate, and areas where you can work. If you are migratory, indicate other areas and crops you can work, as well. We are providing the list to growers, but will not make any endorsements. It is not required to suscribe to be listed, though there will be helpful information for beekeepers as well as growers. Eastern Pollinator Newsletter is a practical effort to help growers with pollination management, to help protect our pollinators, and to make connections between growers, pollination beekeepers, researchers, extension personnel, and others involved in our fruit and vegetable production systems. It will be published four times the first year (1995), and if needed, oftener in future years. Subscriptions are $12/yr. It would be helpful, if subscribers can indicate something of their own area of work (or interest) in pollination. Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 Dave Green, Editor E-Mail: Pollinator@aol.com From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 19 11:41:36 EST 1994 Article: 1067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: UK Query about Skeps, Bramble and Bees References: <3cs3a4$ibl@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 30 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:48:59 +0000 Message-ID: <787787339snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk > In article , > Mike Reddy wrote: > > >Starting up a skep-based Hive: Naturally I can split off a new queen and > >place her into the skep (an artificial swarm). However, I'd like to be able > >to show a "waxed up" skep to the visitors (which would require forst > >populating the skep, then relocating the bees to another one) without > >having to kill the occupants (which was the old method before our modern > >hives). Norman is right about rotting bees/brood if you manage to do this, and rotting bees smell _horrible_. You could use the mirror technique he suggests, which is a great idea -- I think if I did that, I would be tempted to to use artificial swarm principles to control the inevitable behaviour, i.e., I would deliberately move away the main colony and replace it with a new one raised from scratch to minimise the risk of them swarming. (Mind you, catching swarms is interesting for the public too!) The alternative that I would consider is to have photographs of the skep and keep the bees in an observation hive where both you and the public can see them easily. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. From m.quimby@lilly.com Mon Dec 19 11:41:37 EST 1994 Article: 1068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!inet.d48.lilly.com!general.d46.lilly.com!m.quimby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How quiet is quiet? Message-ID: <1994Dec19.074704.3613@inet.d48.lilly.com> From: Mike Quimby Date: 19 Dec 94 07:47:04 EST Distribution: world Organization: Eli Lilly and Co Nntp-Posting-Host: general.d46.lilly.com X-UserAgent: Version 1.1.3 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Dec 94 07:48:28 GMT Lines: 21 Greetings! I am at the very beginning of my beekeeping experience and I am helping a friend of mine with his single hive. My question is this.......What is the noise level of a hive when the bees are clustered, especially when they are a few supers down and the temperatures are about mid 30's and fairly sunny?? I went over this weekend to his house and we went to see the bees expecting at least a few to be at the entrance, but there was no activity. I put my ear to the side of the brood nest area and could hear nothing so I removed the cover. No bees at the very top, but I could hear faint buzzing from far below.....faint. It also seems to me that the honey filled supers between my ear and the cluster are probably very sound absorbent as well. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mike Quimby m.quimby@lilly.com PS I am in east-central Indiana...... From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Dec 19 11:41:38 EST 1994 Article: 1069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk!user From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Subject: Re: UK Query about Skeps, Bramble and Bees Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University References: <3cs3a4$ibl@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> <787787339snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:50:47 GMT Lines: 38 In article <787787339snz@apis.demon.co.uk>, Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) wrote: > Norman is right about rotting bees/brood if you manage to do this, and > rotting bees smell _horrible_. You could use the mirror technique he > suggests, which is a great idea -- I think if I did that, I would be > tempted to to use artificial swarm principles to control the inevitable > behaviour, i.e., I would deliberately move away the main colony and > replace it with a new one raised from scratch to minimise the risk of > them swarming. I'll have a think about the mirror, but I am not sure if we want loads of school kids that close to a skep. This is a historical re-enactment and the bees, equipment and beekeeper must be as authentic as possible. > The alternative that I would consider is to have photographs of the skep > and keep the bees in an observation hive where both you and the public > can see them easily. Photographs are not feasible in the historical setting - when Kentwell does what it is famous for (complete immersion) none of the participants display any twentieth century knowledge, language or appearance! We are trying to cast a spell, and modern visual aids would not be allowed. In fact, some rotting brood - much as the idea disgusts me - would probably be in keeping with the traditional farming methods were sulpher fires were used to kill the bees! I'm still looking for sources of bramble and thatcher's straw though, as I would like to make my own authentic skep. Yours Mike Reddy -- P.S. I would have had a witty signature, but the Government put VAT on it! Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk OR mreddy@glamorgan.ac.uk Snail Mail: Mike Reddy, J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK Tel: +44 (0)443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)443 482 715 From Paul.Ferroni@ab.com Mon Dec 19 21:13:24 EST 1994 Article: 1070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news1.hh.ab.com!cle.ab.com!cpferron From: cpferron@cle.ab.com (C. Paul Ferroni) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How quiet is quiet? Date: 19 Dec 1994 17:14:07 GMT Organization: Allen Bradley Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3d4f0v$6rf@news1.cle.ab.com> References: <1994Dec19.074704.3613@inet.d48.lilly.com> Reply-To: Paul.Ferroni@ab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dabney.cle.ab.com In article <1994Dec19.074704.3613@inet.d48.lilly.com>, Mike Quimby writes: > > Greetings! I am at the very beginning of my beekeeping experience > and I am helping a friend of mine with his single hive. My question > is this.......What is the noise level of a hive when the bees are > clustered, especially when they are a few supers down and the > temperatures are about mid 30's and fairly sunny?? > I generally put my ear on the side of the hive, then tap sharply on the back of the hive once or twice to "stir them up" a bit. Generally, you can hear a definite buzz at this point. Works for me... Of course, if it's a clear, sunny day, don't be suprised if a few bees poke their heads out the entrance to "answer the door". :) -cpf From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Dec 19 21:13:25 EST 1994 Article: 1071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!hookup!olivea!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk!user From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Subject: UK Query about Skeps, Bramble and Bees Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:25:20 GMT Lines: 41 Apologies to non-UK people, as I think that UK residents are more likely to help (I've posted world wide as there may be people interested however!). I need info on the following thing because I am taking the role as a Tudor bee keeper (circa 1545 South East England) for a medieaval re-enactment: Skep-making: Does anyone around South Wales have any Thatcher's Straw (longer stalks than in normal straw bales) and wild bramble that they would not mind loosing (Just think, someone else to help in the garden tidy-up this Winter!)? Tudor bee-keeping texts: There is one in the British Library - Charles Butler's "The Female Monarchy" or "The Government of Bees" (circa 1600s) - which may have been reprinted by a company called 'Bee books old and new'. Does anyone know of this book? Starting up a skep-based Hive: Naturally I can split off a new queen and place her into the skep (an artificial swarm). However, I'd like to be able to show a "waxed up" skep to the visitors (which would require forst populating the skep, then relocating the bees to another one) without having to kill the occupants (which was the old method before our modern hives). They used to use Sulphur fires to poison the insects (and the honey?), but I don't want to do that to the bees I am going to use, naturally! As an additional (general) question, does anyone in the South West have any second hand hives for sale, as I am starting up a hive next spring in Cardiff? I'm on a limited budget - aren't we all - so I wanted to pick up a good deal. I've tried to get in touch with the Cardiff Bee-keepers Association, but the Secretary never replied after an initial acknowledgement that she would "send me something soon." Yours Mike Reddy -- P.S. I would have had a witty signature, but the Government put VAT on it! Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk OR mreddy@glamorgan.ac.uk Snail Mail: Mike Reddy, J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK Tel: +44 (0)443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)443 482 715 From browman@haskins.yale.edu Mon Dec 19 21:13:26 EST 1994 Article: 1072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!mis-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: browman@haskins.yale.edu (Catherine Browman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Emotional Little Gals Date: 19 Dec 1994 23:17:47 GMT Organization: Haskins Laboratories (New Haven, CT) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3cqc3i$nbl@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.132.56.53 In article , geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote: > Notice how this woman failed to grasp that my comment referred > to _older_ women rather than women in general, and that the > emphasis was not on sex but on age. Bet you get lots of attention for your remarks, which I assume is what you wanted. Still, quite incredible that such hogwash would even occur to you! From JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu Tue Dec 20 10:54:19 EST 1994 Article: 1073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!jvf101 Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:20:16 EST From: Jennifer Finley Message-ID: <94350.172016JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK Query about Skeps, Bramble and Bees References: Lines: 31 I struck me that a comparatively easy way to remove the bees from a skep while leaving the comb intact would be to use any of the fumigants which drive the bees out of the supers during honey harvest -- BeeGo (butyric anhydride), oil of almond (benzaldehyde), etc. Toss a soaked cloth or fume board under the skep on a warm day and watch the bees run out the entrance. Although they smell nasty, the chemicals do not poison the honey. However, as Norman pointed out in a previous posting, you are still left with the problem of dying and decaying brood once you remove the bees... A skepmaker from here in Pennsylvania accomodates large colonies in his skeps by "bottom supering" with standard equipment. For example, as the bees build up in the spring, he adds a deep hive body to the bottom of the skep. The queen usually moves the broodrearing down into the deep and the skep becomes honey storage. In the winter, the bees move upward onto the honey and by spring end up in the skep again, and so on. My point is that you could possibly circumvent the decaying brood problem by placing the skep on top of a very strong (but compact) colony during a good honey flow and having the bees fill it with honey comb. If the flow was good enough, and the bees were desperate enough for honey space... They would probably build comb from the "floor" upward (I've seen this in empty hive boxes ie feeder pail covers). But with bees it's hard to tell, once in a great while, they actually do what you want them to do, but only because THEY want to... Best of luck!!! Jennifer Finley Graduate Student, Entomology, Penn State University From IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Tue Dec 20 22:10:57 EST 1994 Article: 1074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU!IBAYPGX From: IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Perhaps a naive question Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:56 Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Lines: 6 Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19941219225637IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu This may be really naive and I should probably look it up first, but what happens if bees frequent poisonous flowers like oleander? Would the honey be poisonous as well? I've seen bees in a number of flowers I know to be poisonous in one way or another to humans, and often wonder if any of it makes its way into their honey. Thanks, Paulette From jwargo@clark.net Wed Dec 21 10:45:37 EST 1994 Article: 1075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!jwargo_ppp.clark.net!user From: jwargo@clark.net (Joe Wargo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Emotional Little Gals Date: 20 Dec 1994 03:18:05 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3cqc3i$nbl@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jwargo_ppp.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote: € In article <3cqc3i$nbl@news.acns.nwu.edu> jmorrow@notis.com writes€ € > What's this??? A man who can actually read and write??? € Notice how this woman failed to grasp that my comment referred € to _older_ women rather than women in general, and that the € emphasis was not on sex but on age. She immediately went off € the deep end at what she perceived as a slam against all women, € and riposted with what she felt was an equivalent jab at the € male sex. € Alas, jmorrow, your remark was not equivalent at all. You women € will never be taken seriously until you work to overcome your € well-deserved reputation for hypersensitivity and irrationality. € That glass ceiling exists for a reason. The day your ilk will € be trusted with, say, the chairmanship of General Motors or € the control of America's nuclear arsenal is the day you're no € longer considered likely to take offense at nothing and to dissolve € in a quivering puddle of emotion and hormones under pressure. € > Or is your wife/girfriend doing that for you too!!! € Naah, she's too busy on her hands and knees under my desk as € I type this. I'd ask for her opinion, but I'm afraid her € mouth is rather full at the moment. €Geoff -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- € Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Mountain View € geoffm@netcom.com + DoD #0996 + California € -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- I wish I could have seen the original thread to this. Oh my, Mr. Geoff. Do one pronounce that ²Jeff,² or does one have to clear his or her throat as he or she is spittling your name? **I** am a male, and I am constantly amazed that men can read and write. You refer to **older** women, not women in general, **older** women, not sex. What, please tell me, is wrong with older women? Please reread your post. It suggests you are an asshole. If this is what you are, fine. Go bother someone else. From pollinator@aol.com Wed Dec 21 10:45:38 EST 1994 Article: 1076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How quiet is quiet? Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:39:50 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 40 Sender: root@newsbf02.news-fddi.aol.com Message-ID: <3d5jm6$7p9@newsbf02.news-fddi.aol.com> References: <3d4f0v$6rf@news1.cle.ab.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) In article <1994Dec19.074704.3613@inet.d48.lilly.com>, Mike Quimby writes: > > Greetings! I am at the very beginning of my beekeeping experience > and I am helping a friend of mine with his single hive. My question > is this.......What is the noise level of a hive when the bees are > clustered, especially when they are a few supers down and the > temperatures are about mid 30's and fairly sunny?? It's perfectly normal for clustered bees to make a very faint hum, especially on such a cold day. The bees on the outside of the cluster are very near the air temperature (inside the hive), so they aren't moving much. The inner bees, of course are well insulated by the cluster, and they generate heat from burning sugars in honey, so they could be more active. However they will also have some sound dampening from the cluster around them. (The outer bees and the inner bees do exchange places somewhat.) In your area, it is too late to do anything, if the cluster is too small, as it could be from varroa or a failing queen. The cluster needs to be about the size of a soccer ball, or they won't be able to hold heat well, but that should have been checked earlier. The thing that concerned me, however, is that you have left honey supers on during winter. 1. Are the supers full or empty? Full supers will feed the bees and act as a heat reservoir for them, so that is ok, but empty ones are simply more space for them to heat, and could even cause winter loss of the hive, by making them burn up their fuel. Any empty boxes should be removed immediately (or placed beneath the cluster). 2. Is there an excluder between the brood nest and the supers? Leaving an excluder in place is a frequent cause of winter loss, because the bees gradually move up as they consume honey, and, unless you have a very skinny queen, she is left below to freeze. If you have an excluder, you need to remove it immediately. I have found that, if the cluster is good sized, you can leave one (and only one) shallow super over an excluder for winter. The cluster won't entirely move through the excluder, because it is too large to fit into a shallow. Wish you the best in your first wintering. Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 E-Mail: Pollinator@aol.com From h.e.solberg@labmed.uio.no Wed Dec 21 10:45:39 EST 1994 Article: 1077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!usenet From: h.e.solberg@labmed.uio.no (Helge Erik Solberg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Medical use of honey Date: 20 Dec 1994 12:31:45 GMT Organization: Universitet i Oslo Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3d6irh$6cl@hermod.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhpc06.uio.no X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 A friend wants info on the medical use of honey. Where can he find it? From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Dec 21 19:13:05 EST 1994 Article: 1078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey and Ulcers Date: 20 Dec 1994 13:49:17 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3d6nct$nlj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: Jim_Foulds Subject: Honey and Ulcers? Can anyone help me get up to speed on the reports I've heard about that honey acts as a Hydrogen blocker for the treatment of gastric ulcers? Please reply to: jfoulds@sparc.uccb.ns.ca Thanks. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Wed Dec 21 19:13:06 EST 1994 Article: 1079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Cordovan Queens Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:53:01 GMT Lines: 4 Does anyone know where I can purchase CORDOVAN Yellow Queens? Dfv From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 23 13:58:57 EST 1994 Article: 1080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Recommendations for a beginner? Date: 20 Dec 1994 18:45:41 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3d78ol$7sf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: hobbyist In article , Joanie McCully wrote: >I would like a >suggestion as to which books to purchase and where in the Baltimore/DC/ >Maryland area to find equipment? Also, I'm in suburbia Silver Spring. _The Beekeeper's Handbook_ Samataro and Avitable. Out of print, although a new edition is due out in 1995. Your Library should have it. Call your State Apiarst, Bart Smith, for recommendations on who to meet with in your area for bee purchases and equipment. Make sure any bees you buy are inspected. Otherwise, caveat emptor! Bart or his crew will handle any inspection for you. Please do not hesitate to ask questions! Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From pollinator@aol.com Fri Dec 23 13:58:58 EST 1994 Article: 1081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medical use of honey Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:13:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 5 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3d9d5e$4fu@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3d6irh$6cl@hermod.uio.no> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Connie Krochmal has gone through a lot of the recent research, especially in Europe, and has published a couple articles in the American Bee Journal. You might check out the last year or so. Pollinator@aol.com. Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC. Dave Green From tony@nexus.yorku.ca Fri Dec 23 13:58:59 EST 1994 Article: 1082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!tony From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) Subject: Re: Honey and Ulcers Message-ID: Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University References: <3d6nct$nlj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 10:11:13 GMT Lines: 8 > .. honey acts as a Hydrogen blocker for the treatment of gastric ulcers? ^^^^^^^^ For the record, that "hydrogen" is probably a misreading of "H1"/"H2", as in "H2 receptors". The "H" stands for histamine. -- tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, North York, Canada. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 23 13:58:59 EST 1994 Article: 1083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silly holiday post from sci.bio Date: 22 Dec 1994 19:29:24 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 132 Message-ID: <3dck2k$eu6@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf For your enjoyment: From: leebert@io.com (leebert) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Bugs the night before Xmas.... Date: 22 Dec 1994 04:11:55 GMT Message-ID: <3dauab$4q6@illuminati.io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pentagon.io.com Bugs the Night Before Christmas..... by Lee Rodgers (leebert@io.com) 'Twas the night before Christmas and not a moment too soon not a creature was stirring nor were any pots or spoons The children were wrapped like mummies under their blankets While the cats dreamed the same dream of rodentia banquets I, as usual, was still wide awake As spaghetti-code danced in my brain My head started to ache But suddenly I stopped staring a hole through the ceiling in response to a premonition a very strange feeling Looking out the window I couldn't believe my eyes I could see the famous little elf And his team in flight They swooped down near the eves And wisked down the chimney sounding like the buzzing of bee stinging crickets, by jiminey So, I dashed down the hallway and peaked 'round the corner only to see such a sight that'd change my world view forever Not reindeer, but roaches pulled the elf's sleigh They landed on the ceiling He screamed "OBEY!" They giggled and hummed and resumed their wings flutter And looped-de-looped to a landing With hardly a stutter He looked round and jumped out and then went to the tree he started to shout "Cripes? you think this service is free?" He pointed at me, and gave me a hairy eye "You're supposed to leave some presents for me to take to the next guy!" "Mea culpa!" I shouted "Good grief, where did I hide them?" I first ran to a hall closet and dug through all of our linen "Oh, that's right" I then said to myself I stumbled down the stairs cursing as I went "I deliberately put them on a basement shelf" my head banged on a pipe leaving a large dent I grabbed all the packages, every last one And flew up the stairs, afraid he'd be gone I burst into the room where he was had been before Only to hear him in the kitchen starting to snore. There he lay amongst cookie crumbs on which his sled team was feasting At which point my head was pounding and my blood pressure increasing. "Wake up! I yelled and then I shook him I didn't want history to tell that Christmas was victim to my cooking "Boy those cookies sure were yummy, He mumbled while scratching his tummy "and you don't need to worry. My clones are spanning the globe so I don't need to hurry!" "Beneathe the tree are your presents, and you can throw those in the sleigh, trust me there is no need for concern about this minor delay." He jumped in the sleigh and started to laugh His team's brown wings started to hum creating quite a weird draft He released a wild shout and they revved their wings, "On Blatus! On Flitter! On Wiggler! On Nixon! On Splatus! On Buzzer! On Flatus! On Dioxin! Buzz away buzz away buzz away all!" They lept from the carpet And hovered over the tree They dive-bombed my head and in an instant the house was bug-free Now I was only well-meaning But I have one regret to convey that in a pre-Yultide frenzy of cleaning I had used lots of bug spray. The End -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From davem@churchillColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Dec 24 10:45:30 EST 1994 Article: 1084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!churchill!davem From: davem@churchillColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Dave.MacFawn) Subject: Re: How quiet is quiet? Message-ID: Sender: davem@churchill (Dave.MacFawn) Organization: Your Organization Here References: <3d4f0v$6rf@news1.cle.ab.com> <3d5jm6$7p9@newsbf02.news-fddi.aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 19:09:46 GMT Lines: 0 From speminal@first.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 27 22:56:25 EST 1994 Article: 1085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!first.cac.washington.edu!speminal From: speminal@first.cac.washington.edu (Rugose Nutlets) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 24 Dec 1994 09:04:44 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3dgo7c$e2v@news.u.washington.edu> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3cdpk6$fro@pith.uoregon.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: first.cac.washington.edu This is definitely unusual--saw an article in the Weekly World News (for non-North Americans this is a hilariously awful newsrag sold at supermarket check-out stands--'I had Elvis' Alien Love Child' sort of thing). It describes a guy in the 1930s so obsessed with his dead lover he preserved her in his living room...as part of this process he filled in her face with beeswax, gack! Well, you asked for unusual... J. "terrified of bees yet enjoying this newsgroup" T. -- speminal@u.washington.edu Happy Hogmany, and to all a good night! From avellani@unixg.ubc.ca Tue Dec 27 22:56:25 EST 1994 Article: 1086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!news.bc.net!juno.xana.bc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!avellani From: avellani@unixg.ubc.ca (Vellani) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom? Date: 24 Dec 1994 23:09:05 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3di9mh$n3l@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] How can one get bee venom in injection vials? - suppliers? From meltingpot@delphi.com Tue Dec 27 22:56:26 EST 1994 Article: 1087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: MELTINGPOT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: want bees wax Date: Fri, 23 DEC 94 19:26:55 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com I am in the market for bees wax...say 10 or 20 pounds... Pleace contact me by e-mail jbeckley@capaccess.org Thank you.... From meltingpot@delphi.com Tue Dec 27 22:56:27 EST 1994 Article: 1088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: MELTINGPOT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: Fri, 23 DEC 94 19:30:40 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3cdpk6$fro@pith.uoregon.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: I use bees wax to make sculpture ..which is then cast into bronze.This is not unusual...because this has been going on for 6000 years..... THE LOST WAX PROCESS...was first use some 6000 years ago.... THE MELTING POT(TM) From johng@garnet.msen.com Tue Dec 27 22:56:28 EST 1994 Article: 1089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!johng From: johng@garnet.msen.com (John Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Books on Bees 4Sale Date: 25 Dec 1994 16:33:49 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3dk6td$n06$1@heifetz.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Books on Bees 4Sale All prices post paid in U.S. reply email johng@mail.msen.com Zahradnik, J. Bees, Wasps and Ants: A Field Guide to the World's Hymenoptera. London, Hamlyn, 1991. Hard cover with dust jacket, 191 pages, includes bibliography, index, color illustrations. Excellent Condition. $14 Whynott, Douglas. Following the Bloom: Across America with the Migratory Beekeepers. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Books, 1991; First Edition. Hard cover with dust jacket, 214 pages, includes glossary, bibliography. Excellent condition. $16 >From the dust jacket: "Following the Bloom" is a portrait of the most extraordinary stockmen and ranchers of our time: the beekeepers who move their livestock--billions of bees--around the country in search of nectar. These cowboys are shrewd business people. one beekeeper trucks thirteen thousand hives from Florida to South Dakota's clover fields and in five weeks makes a million pounds of honey. Another drives his bees to the blueberry, apple and cranberry growers of the Northeast, then harvests two hundred pounds of honey per hive. It's a run for honey, American style, and there are nearly as many routes as beekeepers. -- From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Dec 28 23:00:50 EST 1994 Article: 1090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 12/94 Date: 28 Dec 1994 02:26:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 273 Message-ID: <3dqid5$3d9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: apis, bee, beekeeping, honey, sanford, FILENAME: DECAPIS.94 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 12, November 1994 Copyright (c) 1994 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" TAKING STOCK It's that time of year again. Each December, I try to take the opportunity to reflect on what has happened over the past 12 months as reported in the pages of this newsletter. This is the 143rd consecutive issue of APIS, continuing this publication's reputation as the longest-running newsletter of its kind currently distributed in the United States. In January, APIS was recognized as a pioneer in electronic information delivery in the booklet, 51 Reasons: How We Use the Internet and What it Says About the Information Superhighway. This publication will be distributed by the publisher, FARNET, Inc., as part of a major effort to familiarize elected officials about the educational potential of the National Information Infrastructure (NII). In the May APIS I relayed the information that many back issues are archived at several internet sites around the country. At that time, I also described other internet resources available to apiculturists. A fuller description of electronic information resources, along with availability of other computer programs, was also published by myself, and colleagues T.R. Fasulo and J.C. Medley here at the University of Florida. A reprint of the paper, "Electronic Delivery of Apicultural Information," Bee Science, Vol. 3, No. 1, pp. 10-15, July 1993 is available to anyone upon request. The latest development concerning electronic delivery of this newsletter, accessibility via the World Wide Web, was announced in the October issue. The World Wide Web URL is: http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm The African honey bee (AHB) was a hot topic in 1994. The January APIS described the complexities involved in trying to manage this insect in Texas. In summary, Bill Vanderput boiled it down to: "...25 percent more stings, 25 percent more work and 25% more sweat." The spread of the AHB was also reported in Arizona (June), California (November), and, more ominously for Florida, in Puerto Rico (October), proving that this insect can be introduced by sea, as well as by migrating overland. AHB Information resources developed in Arizona (June) and Texas, California and USDA (April) were also described. Finally, the July issue discussed the reasons that the AHB invasion seemed to have stalled in Texas. The same issue discussed how scientists were attempting to make sense of the AHB migration by using DNA to track honey bee ancestry. The February issue of APIS focused on apitherapy, describing some of the activities of the American Apitherapy Society, particularly its data collection efforts (Multi-Center Apitherapy Study). The value of apitherapy for several illnesses was reported, as was a comment from the dean of U.S. apitherapy, Charles Mraz: "The only way to find out if this kind of therapy works is to try it." Other topics during the year included introduction of a new citrus pest in Florida, the citrus leafminer, and what that potentially meant to beekeepers (March), the disappearance of pollinating honey bees (January) thought to be a consequence of widespread Varroa infestation, use of attractants to increase pollination potential (June) and employment of non-APIS or pollen bees (April) in some pollinating situations. The real possibility of fluvalinate contamination of hive products in conjunction with Varroa treatment was discussed in several issues (January, March and April) of this newsletter, along with potential effects of general environmental pollution on a bee colony (May). Bee poisoning by plants in Florida was reported in June and the current status of the U.S. beekeeping industry in July. The August issue of APIS was devoted to honey processing, including how to get a permit, guidelines for honey house sanitation and the recent rapid rise of adulterating activity. The new nutritional labeling law as it applies to small firms was described in October and November, as was Varroa control and possible chemical resistance by mites due to heavy use by beekeepers. Discussions of vegetable-oil patty use for American foulbrood (September) and tracheal mite control (October) rounded out the year. 4-H Essay Contest Back in June, I wrote that the annual 4-H Essay Contest sponsored by the American Beekeeping Federation needed entrants. Since then, I have had only two (2) inquiries. Florida had no entries last year; this means there is an excellent chance of winning by simply entering the contest. Here are the details: Cash prizes to three top winners: 1st Place $250.00 2nd Place $100.00 3rd Place $ 50.00 Each state winner also receives an appropriate book about honey bees, beekeeping, or honey. This year, essayists are asked to write an original story on honey bees, one that is suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. The story can be about the honey bee family and the members' life cycles or fancifully casting individuals in the colony as characters. Any style is suitable as long as it covers: *The roles each of the bees--queen, drone, worker--play in the honey bee colony. *The life cycle of the honey bee colony as a unit. *The ways in which honey bees benefit humans. The title of the story should indicate its context. Some suggestions: The Busy Little Bee; I Like Honey; A Trip to the Apiary; My Friend, the Beekeeper; Moving Day at the Bee Hive. RULES: 1. Contest is open to active 4-H Club members only. 4-H'ers who have previously placed first, second, or third at the national level are not eligible; other state winners are eligible to re- enter. 2. Essays must be 750 to 1000 words long, written on the designated subject only. All factual statements must be referenced with endnotes; failure to do so will result in disqualification of the essay. A brief biographical sketch of the essayist, including date of birth, complete mailing address, and telephone number, must accompany the essay. (The word limit does not include the references or the essayist's biographical sketch.) 3. Essays submitted must be typewritten, double-spaced, on one side of the paper and should follow standard manuscript format. Handwritten essays will not be judged. 4. Essays will be judged on (a) accuracy, (b) creativity, (c) conciseness, (d) logical development of the topic, and (e) scope of research. 5. Essayists in Florida should forward essays directly to Essay Contest, Dr. M.T. Sanford, Bldg. 970, Box 110620, Gainesville, FL 32611-0620. The deadline is February 15, 1995. 6. Each state may submit only one entry. 7. Final judging and selection of the national winner will be made by the ABF's Essay Committee, whose decision is final. 8. The National Winner will be announced by May 1, 1995. 9. All entries become the property of the American Beekeeping Federation, Inc. and may be published or used as it sees fit. No essay will be returned. Parasitic Mite Syndrome The report by James Bach on his trip to the British Isles in the November issue of APIS provoked some feedback. Bob Hawkes, a beekeeper accessing the newsletter on World Wide Web, sent me these observations: "Last Saturday I attended the Pennsylvania State Beekeepers Association meeting. The apiary inspection chiefs from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, and Virginia reported that they no longer consider tracheal mites to be a serious problem. But there is serious concern about Varroa. We have Varroa infestation throughout much of Pennsylvania now. And this fall many beekeepers have seen their colonies crash--the "disappearing disease." Some have been wiped out, and the colonies went from very strong to dead in a very short time. The experts reported finding the same [those reported by Mr. Bach] viruses (chronic paralysis virus and Kashmir virus) in some of these dead colonies. So they associate these viral infections not with tracheal mites, but with Varroa mites. Are the viruses carried by one or both? Or are these viruses always present and their effect associated with stress from any source? It's a frustrating yet fascinating time!" Now comes a report in the December 1994 American Bee Journal (Vol. 134, No. 12, pp. 827-828) on what the authors (H. Shimanuki; N. Calderone and D. Knox) call parasitic mite syndrome. As the they state: "...two different parasitic mites in a colony is especially devastating because Acarapis woodi (the tracheal mite) parasitizes the adult and the preferred host of Varroa is the prepupae. We theorize that the parasitic mite syndrome is in some way connected to one or both of the parasitic mites vectoring the acute bee paralysis virus (ABPV)..." Dr. Shimanuki has subsequently reported to me by electronic mail that 28% of the adult bee samples with Varroa are also found to be infested with the tracheal mite. The authors provide a list of symptoms that can occur at any time of year and which may not all be evident at a given time: Adult Symptoms: 1. Varroa is present. 2. Adult bee population is reduced. 3. Crawling bees are seen. 4. Queens are superseded. 5. Tracheal mites may be present. Brood Symptoms: 1. Varroa is present. 2. Brood pattern is spotty. 3. Symptoms resembling the foulbroods or sacbrood may be present. These may disappear after feeding Terramycin (R), sugar syrup or inserting Apistan (R) strips. 4. Affected brood can be in any stage and anywhere on the comb. 5. Many symptoms are similar to American foulbrood, but there is no "ropiness," no typical odor and resultant scales are not brittle and easy to remove. 6. No predominant bacterial type is found and no known bee pathogen has been isolated from samples so far. Although coincident with presence of mites, the use of "parasitic mite syndrome" to characterize the above conditions is not without complications. As the authors state: "It is somewhat confusing that colonies with parasitic mite syndrome benefit from the feeding of oxytetracycline or sugar syrup, both of which are not known to be effective against viruses. Nevertheless they conclude: "The effectiveness of fluvalinate impregnated plastic strips [Apistan (R)] strongly suggests an association with Varroa jacobsoni." Until further notice, the authors report that they will begin to use the term "parasitic mite syndrome" in routine reporting of disease diagnosis from their laboratory. Persons submitting brood disease samples to the laboratory should send a piece of brood comb and 100 adults from each affected colony. Comb should be at least 2 inches square, wrapped in a paper bag, towel, or newspaper and mailed in a wooden or cardboard box. The use of plastic bags, aluminum foil, waxed paper, tin or glass should be avoided. Address samples to: Honey Bee Diagnosis, USDA, ARS Bee Research Laboratory, BARC-E, B-476, Beltsville, MD 20705. The symptoms listed above, especially those associated with adult bees, except for the presence of either or both mites, ring familiar to many beekeepers. These conditions have often been referred to as "disappearing disease," "autumn collapse" or "May disease." They also remind me of those involved in the unexplained dieoff in Florida's panhandle in 1986-1988, coincident with the initial detection of tracheal mites in the area. First reported in the February, March and April 1987 issues of APIS, and later reflected on in April and March 1988, this situation culminated in a feeding study carried out in 1988 and 1989. The results were reported in Bee Science in 1991 [A Florida Honey-Bee Feeding Study Using the Beltsville Bee Diet (R), Vol. 1, No. 2, pp 72-76]. I will mail a reprint to anyone upon request. Best wishes to all for a happy holiday season! Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1994 "All Rights Reserved" -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 30 21:14:42 EST 1994 Article: 1091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!agate!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3cdpk6$fro@pith.uoregon.edu> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 28 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: <788725001snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Hi all, Happy new year etc. It seems to me that these beeswax uses should go into a FAQ because I'm sure many people are interested in this. Seems also that we could do the same with other hive/bee produce. I will gladly volunteer to put a/some faq's together if people will post me their 'uses'. I don't (yet?) have an automated method of circulating the results but I'll find a way, maybe via someone else's faq handler (offers?). My guess would be to split into four groups -- honey, beeswax, propolis and others. If you can supply some info (I have all the beeswax stuff already posted), please *mail* me directly on Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk. It would help me if you send mail for *each* group that you respond for because I can then write out to an appropriate 'folder'. I shall post on bee-l and sci.agriculture.beekeeping when I have something ready, and how to get hold of a copy. TIA, regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK Some men are discovered; others are found out. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Dec 30 21:14:43 EST 1994 Article: 1092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Unusual uses for beeswax? Date: 29 Dec 1994 19:08:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3dv1g2$fao@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3c2fkt$36k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3cdpk6$fro@pith.uoregon.edu> <788725001snz@apis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <788725001snz@apis.demon.co.uk>, Gordon Scott wrote: >It seems to me that these beeswax uses should go into a FAQ because I'm >sure many people are interested in this. Seems also that we could do >the same with other hive/bee produce. I will gladly volunteer to put >a/some faq's together if people will post me their 'uses'. I don't >(yet?) have an automated method of circulating the results but I'll find >a way, maybe via someone else's faq handler (offers?). My guess would >be to split into four groups -- honey, beeswax, propolis and others. A site for archiving this information is going to be available at sunsite.unc.edu. One may access this site using gopher, ftp, or www browsers. The site would be for faqs, newsgroup archives, bee-l archives and whatever else anyone feels is important related to beekeeping. Please send me what you want archived. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From johng@garnet.msen.com Fri Dec 30 21:14:43 EST 1994 Article: 1093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!johng From: johng@garnet.msen.com (John Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book on Bee Flies 4Sale Date: 31 Dec 1994 00:22:32 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3e2888$mc0$1@heifetz.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bee Flies of the World Bk 4Sale Hull, Frank M. Bee Flies of the World: The Genera of the Family Bombyliidae. Washington D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1973. Hard cover with dust jacket, 687 pages. Contains index, keys to the genera, and a check list of more than 4,000 species. Bibliography has nearly 1,600 titles by more than 500 authors. Includes 75 text figures and more than 1,000 line drawings. Currently in print at $90. This copy has a worn dust jacket, otherwise excellent condition. $50 post paid in U.S. reply email johng@mail.msen.com -- From 73203.610@CompuServe.COM Sat Dec 31 20:09:15 EST 1994 Article: 1094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Patrick M. O'Hearn <73203.610@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving to England Date: 31 Dec 1994 03:11:15 GMT Organization: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3e2i4j$eqh$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> To any English Beekeepers I am a beekeeper in New Mexico, USA. The president of the New Mexico Beekeepers association is being transferred to Lakenheath (Im not sure of the spelling...think it right) England for the next three years. He is giving up a 100 hive sideline here in New Mexico but does not want to give up beekeeping. Since he does not have access to the internet, I volunteered to try to find him some English contacts. If any English beekeepers would be willing to visit with Gordon, I would pass along the information to him. -- Patrick M. O'Hearn, 73203.610@compuserve.com Bears Choice Apiary "sometimes you get shown the light in the Aztec, New Mexico strangest of places, if you look at it right" R. Hunter From alex@longton.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 1 11:15:16 EST 1995 Article: 1095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: alex@longton.demon.co.uk ("T. Alex. Shaw.") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!agate!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!longton.demon.co.uk!alex Subject: Quote query Organization: Stoke on Trent, England Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 18 X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 19:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: <788900930snz@longton.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk I had a book on beekeeping some twenty years ago which at the time was quite popular and contained a quotation that I should like to refer to but I can't find the book and thought that one of you may be able to help. Each chapter was headed by a quotation and in one case it read something like: "The hive contained one obstinate bee, His name was Peter and thus spake he, Why should a hive swarm altogether' Why should a be not swarm alone?" How well does my memory serve me please? Also what was the source of the quotation and who was its author? This may not be of general interest so if you would rather not use group space e-mail me please. -- Regards Alex. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jan 1 20:48:16 EST 1995 Article: 1096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quote query Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 16:20:00 GMT Message-ID: <950101124334672@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 21 Each chapter was headed by a quotation and in one case it read something like: "The hive contained one obstinate bee, His name was Peter and thus spake he, Why should a hive swarm altogether' Why should a bee not swarm alone?" How well does my memory serve me please? Also what was the source of the quotation and who was its author? This may not be of general interest so if you would rather not use group space e-mail me please. Regards Alex. Don't have that book in my collection, but would like to hear more. A little culture won't hurt any of us old beekeepers. ttul Andy- From c_dbowen@qualcomm.com Mon Jan 2 23:32:25 EST 1995 Article: 1097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!usenet From: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com (Don Bowen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping catalogs Date: 2 Jan 1995 19:11:21 GMT Organization: SAS Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3e9j4p$adk@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dbowen.qualcomm.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 I am about to start my annual catalog shopping trip. What I need are recomendations for good mail order beekeeping comapnies. DonB From c_dbowen@qualcomm.com Tue Jan 3 22:14:19 EST 1995 Article: 1098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!usenet From: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com (Don Bowen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping catalogs Date: 3 Jan 1995 18:28:32 GMT Organization: SAS Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ec50g$214@qualcomm.com> References: <3e9j4p$adk@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dbowen.qualcomm.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article , jm67@acmex.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) says: > > >> I am about to start my annual catalog shopping trip. What I need >>are recomendations for good mail order beekeeping comapnies. >> >> DonB >> > > Are you ordering from the U.S., from the U.K., from downunder, or >where? In the eastern U.S. I would recommend getting catalogs from >Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, from Kelley, and from Dadant, in that order. > I am in the western US and I have the kelley catalog. I need the phone number for Dadant and Brushy Mountain. > Jeeef From wamback@cfa0.harvard.edu Tue Jan 3 22:14:20 EST 1995 Article: 1099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!hsdndev!cfanews!cfa0!wamback From: wamback@cfa0.harvard.edu (Jane Wamback) Subject: honey question Message-ID: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:56:36 GMT Lines: 12 I have a plastic bottle of honey with the date 12/03/93 stamped on it; this appears to be an expiration date. I have the impression that honey doesn't "go bad" -- so that this honey should be safe to eat. Would a knowledgeable reader of this group let me know if this is indeed the case? Thank you very much. ---- Jane Wamback Center for Astrophysics jwamback@cfa.harvard.edu From oliphant@cae.wisc.edu Tue Jan 3 22:14:22 EST 1995 Article: 1100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!oliphant From: oliphant@cae.wisc.edu (Paul Oliphant) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: comb orientation Date: 3 Jan 1995 23:01:34 GMT Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 18 Sender: oliphant@engr.wisc.edu Distribution: usa Message-ID: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.engr.wisc.edu I'm a new beekeeping and have been trying to learn as much as possible about honeybees. Well, I've got a question that seems rather obvious yet, I have not been able to find any literature or anything on it. The question is do honeybees prefer (in naturally) to orient their comb in one of the two geometric orientations possible with the hexangle cell? All foundation seems to be just one way. The two orientation are: _ /\ / \ | | \_/ or \/ I was under the impression that bees build comb only in one orientation and was using this to help me orient some photographs. However, I though I saw a picture of a wild colony of bees and I though I saw comb in BOTH orientation in the same hive. Does anybody know or know of some research that has been done on this? From jm67@acmex.gatech.edu Tue Jan 3 22:14:27 EST 1995 Article: 1101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmex.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmex.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping catalogs Date: 3 Jan 1995 13:02:35 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Message-ID: References: <3e9j4p$adk@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmex.gatech.edu In-reply-to: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com's message of 2 Jan 1995 19:11:21 GMT > I am about to start my annual catalog shopping trip. What I need >are recomendations for good mail order beekeeping comapnies. > > DonB > Are you ordering from the U.S., from the U.K., from downunder, or where? In the eastern U.S. I would recommend getting catalogs from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, from Kelley, and from Dadant, in that order. Jeeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From killoran@ll.mit.edu Wed Jan 4 20:00:16 EST 1995 Article: 1102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!llnews.ll.mit.edu!usenet From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping catalogs Date: 03 Jan 1995 20:48:22 GMT Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3e9j4p$adk@qualcomm.com> <3ec50g$214@qualcomm.com> In-reply-to: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com's message of 3 Jan 1995 18:28:32 GMT > I am in the western US and I have the kelley catalog. I need the > phone number for Dadant and Brushy Mountain. Dadant's main number is (217) 847-3324. If by western you mean CA, the Durham, CA number is (916) 893-0921 and the Fresno, CA number is (209) 292-4666. They have a nice fourty page color catalog. I'm fairly new to beekeeping and have only ordered from Dadant. I'd be interested in the phone numbers for other catalog suppliers, say the Kelly and Brushy Mountain mentioned above... -Mike Killoran -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From kingsley@xerox.com Wed Jan 4 20:00:18 EST 1995 Article: 1103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!rochester!rocksanne!news From: kingsley@xerox.com (jeffrey kingsley) Subject: Request for info on Varroa mites Message-ID: <1995Jan3.165455.18257@news.wrc.xerox.com> Sender: news@news.wrc.xerox.com Reply-To: kingsley@xerox.com Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 16:54:55 GMT Lines: 8 Are Varroa mites new (or more common than in the past)? Are they found in the North - East U.S.? I heard they cause something called "Parasitic Mite Syndrome"...Is this a new term? Would I find any info in the FAQ (If so, where can I find the FAQ)? Anyone recommend any sources for additional info (symptoms and cures)? Thanks, Jeff From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jan 4 20:00:19 EST 1995 Article: 1104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!nic.scruz.net!Sequoia.picosof.com!emerald.oz.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no subject (file transmission) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <950103174255676@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 154 This message was from Dr Pamela Munn to Multiple recipi originally in conference LM-BEE-ListB on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:56:22 +0000 From: Dr Pamela Munn Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L ========================================= B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. **Jan 1995** ========================================= NATIVE HONEY BEE RACES For many beekeepers in Europe the bee they want to keep is the one originally found in their area (before human-assisted movements, at least) and there are a number of groups devoted to conservation of Apis mellifera mellifera, the dark European bee. Here in the UK the British Isles Bee Breeders' Association (BIBBA) is very active in this field, producing publications and videos and running training courses and conferences. BIBBA has been in operation for 30 years and aims to conserve, restore, study, select and improve the 'native and near native honey bees of Britain and Ireland'. Actually they are primarily in favour of 'pure race breeding', as they blame imports of foreign bees for the production of 'mongrel' bee colonies with undesirable characteristics. They then go on to say that A. m. mellifera is the bee most suited to the British climate, it still exists in a pure state, and can be distinguished from 'mongrel' bees and other races. Their current programme involves the formation of local groups to find, select and breed these native bees. Other groups working to propagate A. m. mellifera exist in Austria, Brittany (France), Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland. The Norwegian group has recently launched a publicity campaign, complete with a very attractive poster, calling for action. "We fear that time is running out for the black European bee. Most geographical sub-races are already lost, and the rest are too few or might be affected by other races. In Scandinavia we don't even know what we have, related to silvarum, lehzeni, or if it can be described as a special Nordic branch". They are calling for letters to be written to the Norwegian minister of agriculture, and are holding a conference on the Norwegian black bee area project on 8-9 September 1995. In Germany a group was formed in November to promote conservation of the black bee: the Gemeinschaft zum Erhalt der Dunklen Biene (GEDB), or community for the conservation of the dark European bee, and plans to work for its reintroduction, improvement and spread. Of course such an idea is controversial in Germany. The well-coordinated national bee breeding programme is based on propagation of Carniolan bees, and even at the inaugural meeting of GEDB a representative of the German Beekeepers' Association (DIB) spoke against the (re)introduction of dark bees. The Carniolan breeding programme in Germany is based on the use of isolated mating apiaries and morphometrics to check racial 'purity', though the problems inherent in this approach were highlighted by Robin Moritz in his paper 'The limitations of biometric control on pure race breeding in Apis mellifera' (Journal of Apicultural Research 30(2): 54-59 (1991), with subsequent discussion by F Ruttner and Dr Moritz on pp113-115). New techniques can give us new insights into the concept of honey bee 'races'. Data on the frequencies of enzyme electromorphs and results of mitochondrial DNA restriction mapping can be used to confirm, or dispute, the indications from morphometric analysis. This has been done, for instance, for the 'pure' population of Apis mellifera ligustica in the honey bee sanctuary of Kangaroo Island in South Australia (Oldroyd et al., Journal of Apicultural Research 31: 141-148 (1992)). The subject is discussed further in 'New approaches to honey bee taxonomy' by Ben Oldroyd (Bee World 74(3): 105-107 (1993)). Contacts: Brittany: Association Abeille-Noire Bretonne, Kerchere, F-29242, France. Germany: Secretary, GEDB, Ostlandstrasse 1, D-24247 Mielkendorf, Germany. Norway: Nils j Drivdal, Prosjekleder, Reinavlsomradet for Ded Brune Bia, Lovikgt 13, 4400 Flekkefjord, Norway. UK: Albert Knight, BIBBA Secretary, 11 Thomson Drive, Codnor, DE4 9RU, UK. CONSERVING EUROPE'S BEES The programme for this important meeting is looking really good, and we expect a good attendance from throughout Europe and further afield. For your convenience the second announcement and booking form is included at the end of this edition of B.mail. COMPARATIVE FORAGING STRATEGIES IN SOLITARY AND SOCIAL BEES This meeting was featured in the last edition of B.mail, and full details are now available from form Dr Robin Wootton, University of Exeter, Hatherly Laboratories, Prince of Wales Road, Exeter EX4 4PS. Phone (+44) 1392-263753, fax 1392-263700, e.mail r.j.wootton@cen.exeter.ac.uk. The provisional programme includes papers on: Influence of pollen viability on foraging behaviour in bumble bees. Effect of bee foraging strategies on gene flow in white clover. Foraging responses to sexual harassment in a solitary bee. Foraging of an anthophorid in the arid Sinai mountains. Physiological constraints on foraging in solitary and social bees. Limitations to flight performance in bumble bees. The use of stable isotopes to determine energetic costs of freely foraging bees. Bombus vs. Apis: a comparison of foraging behaviour on oilseed rape. Comparison of honey bees and bumble bees foraging on borage. Foraging by Apis and Bombus on raspberries. WAXING LYRICAL ON INTERNET As historic moments go, according to the New York Times, this one was closer to 'Watson, come here!' than to another Saturday night at the movies. The first movie to be transmitted on Internet was 'Wax: or the discovery of television among the bees', an 85-minute cult piece about a beekeeper who ends up being kept by his bees. Reviews of this 'surreal landscape imagined by a cyberpunk novelist' range from 'A witty, psychedelic cult favourite' through the neutral 'Like no film you've ever seen' to the less than complimentary 'Authentically peculiar'. The event itself, though, was described as 'The future of SF film, if not of cinema'. In this case output from an ordinary video player was fed into the producer's computer, converted to digital form and pushed straight out to Internet. No doubt it's but a foretaste of a huge number of simultaneous video channels but remember, bees did it first. Andrew Matheson Director NOW HERE IS THE SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT AND BOOKING FORM FOR CONSERVING EUROPE'S BEES (Continued to next message) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jan 4 20:00:20 EST 1995 Article: 1105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!nic.scruz.net!Sequoia.picosof.com!emerald.oz.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no subject (file transmission) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <950103174256677@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 155 (Continued from previous message) The International Bee Research Association and Linnean Society of London are holding this symposium on 6-7 April 1995 at the Linnean Society rooms, Burlington House, Piccadilly, London, UK. WHY BEE CONSERVATION? Bees have an important place in agriculture and in preserving wild habitats. * They often have highly specialized relationships with native floras, so play vital roles in maintaining natural vegetation. * Bees are particularly suitable for environmental monitoring purposes, because of their diverse nesting strategies and specific host plant relationships. * Both social bees such as bumble bees and solitary bees are actual or potential pollinators of crops. Changes in land use in Europe have made bee conservation an increasingly important issue as the nesting sites and food plants for bees are destroyed by increasing monocultures: more than 400 bee species from north of the Alps appear in Red Data lists. Although non- Apis bees are vital in maintaining native floras, our understanding of pollination ecology at the community level is growing faster than our knowledge of bee taxonomy, and with the consequent backlog of data analysis pollination botanists are ill-served by the current state of bee systematics in the Palaearctic. This two-day scientific meeting will concentrate on bee conservation in Europe and the Mediterranean basin, but will also consider the Americas and other areas with important lessons for others about bee conservation. The symposium builds on a rising tide of interest in scientific circles, if not political ones, about the importance of this issue. In 1991, STOA (Scientific and Technical Options Assessment, European Parliament) commissioned a review on the impact of changing beekeeping practice and land use in Europe on crop and wild flower pollination, which was published in IBRA's technical journal Bee World. Following this review, the EC funded a workshop in Brussels to discuss these issues and the findings of the meeting point clearly to the need for bee conservation: * Agriculture in the EU needs bees to pollinate most of its crops. * Intensive agriculture provides an inhospitable environment for bees. * Habitat management for bee conservation is necessary. Delegates at the workshop expressed considerable interest in setting up a collaborative European research programme into the problems of habitat management and the potential of set-aside for bees: this hasn't happened but we will be using this symposium to launch a network as part of FAO's ESCORENA programme. Last December, IBRA held a symposium in Cambridge on bee forage and conservation and this year published the book Forage for bees in an agricultural landscape, which discusses the importance of forage and nesting sites in bee conservation. 'Conserving Europe's bees' will be a meeting of major importance in promoting scientific debate and collaboration on this important subject. THURSDAY 6 APRIL 1995 Habitats for bees; Dr Paul Westrich, Institut f|r Wildbienenkunde, T|bingen, Germany. Dr Paul Westrich, T|bingen: Considering the ecological needs of our native bees: the problems of partial habitats. Dr Matthias Klemm, Consultant biologist, T|bingen: Cliffbanks, sand pits and levees as substitutes for threatened or destroyed riverine habitats. Dr Mike Edwards, Private consultant (formerly Natural History Museum), Midhurst, UK: Optimizing habitats for bees in the United Kingdom. Dr Chris Saure, Zoologische Institut, Freie Universitdt, Berlin: Urban habitats for bees: the example of the city of Berlin. Grappling with bee diversity; Chris O'Toole, Curatorial Officer, Hope Entomological Collections, University of Oxford, UK. Professor Amots Dafni, Institute of Evolution, University of Haifa, Israel, and Professor Avi Schmida, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel: (Threats to bee diversity in Mediterranean Israel: the case of Bombus terrestris versus the rest). Professor Charles Michener, Snow Entomological Museum, University of Kansas, USA: (PCAM: a case study of getting to grips with bee diversity). Keynote speaker. Chris O'Toole, UK: Bee systematics: the continuing crisis and some possible cures. Dr Theodora Petanidou, Department of Ecology, University of Thessaloniki, Greece: Co-evolution of native bee faunas and floras in changing Mediterranean communities. Evening Informal mixer. FRIDAY 7 APRIL 1995 Do plants need bees?; Professor Ingrid Williams, Group Leader, Insect- Plant Interactions, Entomology and Nematology Department, Rothamsted Experimental Station, Harpenden, UK. Dr Sarah Corbet, Department of Zoology, University of Cambridge, UK: (Are native bees more important pollinators than honey bees?) Dr Manja Kwak, Department of Plant Biology, University of Groningen, Netherlands: (Importance of native pollinators to native plant conservation). Dr Ken Richards, Research Leader, Agriculture Canada Crop Sciences Section, Lethbridge Research Station: (Bees compared as pollinators of legume crops). Professor Ingrid Williams, UK: Comparing bee-mediated gene flow in crop plants. Dr Pat Willmer, Department of Biology, University of St Andrew's, UK: (Physiological constraints on bee foraging) Competition in bee-plant and bee-bee interactions; Dr Stephen Buchmann, Research Entomologist, USDA-ARS, Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, Tucson, Arizona, USA. Dr Stephen Buchmann, USA: Competition for pollen and nectar between honey bees and native bees in the Sonoran Desert of Arizona. Dr Evan Sugden, University of Kentucky, USA: Towards an ecological perspective of beekeeping. Dr David Roubik, Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute, Panama: On long-term trends of bee populations and their interpretation. Dr Robinn Thorpe, University of California, Davis, USA: Resource overlap among native and introduced bees in California. Poster papers and exhibits There will be limited space for poster papers and exhibits and demonstrations relating to the theme of the conference, but these must be notified in advance. Please contact Andrew Matheson, Director, International Bee Research Association, 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK. Fax (+44) 1222- 665522. E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. (Continued to next message) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jan 4 20:00:21 EST 1995 Article: 1106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!nic.scruz.net!Sequoia.picosof.com!emerald.oz.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: no subject (file transmission) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <950103174256678@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 80 (Continued from previous message) REGISTRATION FORM * I wish to attend Conserving Europe's bees on 6-7 April 1995. * I wish to attend the symposium for one day only: ........... April 1995. Name ............................................................................. .. Address ............................................................................. .............................................................................. . ............ Post/zip code ......................................... Country .................................................. Fax ......................................................... E.mail ..................................................... Registration fee #50/$US80 for both days #30/$US45 for one day Lunch #16/$24 for both days #8/$US12 for one day Payments should be in: * Sterling cheque drawn on a UK bank * US dollar cheque drawn on a US bank * Eurocheque * Banker's draft or international money order in # sterling with bank charges prepaid * By credit card (Visa/Mastercard, number, expiry date, name of holder, address if different) Total (payable to the Linnean Society) #/$US ............................................ Signed...................................................... Date ................................... * Please send me information on hotel and hostel accommodation. Return this completed registration form to Conserving Europe's bees Linnean Society of London Burlington House Piccadilly London W1V 0LQ United Kingdom Fax (+44) 171-287-9364 Telephone(+44) 171-434-4479 E.mail: john@linnean.demon.co.uk Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK From pollinator@aol.com Wed Jan 4 20:00:22 EST 1995 Article: 1107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey question Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:38:03 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 37 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3edc7r$3r4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Jane Wamack asks: >I have a plastic bottle of honey with the date 12/03/93 stamped on it; this appears to be an expiration date. I have the impression that honey doesn't "go bad" -- so that this honey should be safe to eat. It is unlikely that a closed honey jar would go bad. If it is left open during humid weather, it could absorb moisture from the air and ferment, at least at the surface. Sometimes honey that is left crystallized for a long time will also acquire a slighty fermented taste, even after restoration by warming. That's because some water will form on the surface of the crystals and yeasts will grow. In neither case should this be harmful. I just packed out a four-year old barrel of honey. It was crystallized, and there was a thin wet *crust* on top that tasted a little nippy, so I skimmed it off before warming and using the rest. It's mighty fine honey in the jar. Very few bacteria can survive in honey (the cell membranes rupture), so there is no danger of spoilage, in the sense that it could make you ill. One of the few bacteria that can survive is botulism, but only in a dormant, spore form. It cannot grow and make its poison, so it is safe for humans - EXCEPT: There are some who hold that even a few botulism spores are hazardous to young children, because they can begin to reproduce and produce poison within a young child's digestive system. So some pediatricians recommend that honey not be given to infants and toddlers. I wonder if this is alarmism, as honey has traditionally been used in infant formulas, and botulism spores are just about everywhere. (-- Mom in the kitchen sterilizing the baby's bottle; baby in the living room, eating dirt out of the flowerpot!) I have heard that honey has been found in the tombs of the pharoahs in Egypt, and is still edible after thousands of years. Of course the air is so dry, that it cannot absorb water. If the honey is crystallized you can reliquify it in the microwave. Be careful not to overheat it, as this can spoil the flavor, and even can melt the plastic container. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Jan 4 20:00:24 EST 1995 Article: 1108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!sas!redstone.interpath.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Request for info on Varroa mites Date: 4 Jan 1995 03:31:04 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3ed4po$r4s@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jan3.165455.18257@news.wrc.xerox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu In article <1995Jan3.165455.18257@news.wrc.xerox.com>, jeffrey kingsley wrote: > >Are Varroa mites new (or more common than in the past)? Are they found in the North - East U.S.? I heard they cause something called "Parasitic Mite Syndrome"...Is this a new term? Check _Apis Magazine_ 12/94 Sanford describes this "disease" well. _Apis_ is posted here and archived at a few sites. The Faq lists them. Speaking of faq, 1/1/95 is on its way, I've moved and am using a new school's network so I am going to be a few days. Hokay? Great to beee here! Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From jm67@acmex.gatech.edu Wed Jan 4 20:00:25 EST 1995 Article: 1109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmex.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmex.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping catalogs Date: 4 Jan 1995 08:20:53 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 33 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Message-ID: References: <3e9j4p$adk@qualcomm.com> <3ec50g$214@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmex.gatech.edu In-reply-to: killoran@ll.mit.edu's message of 03 Jan 1995 20:48:22 GMT >Dadant's main number is (217) 847-3324. If by western you mean CA, >the Durham, CA number is (916) 893-0921 and the Fresno, CA number >is (209) 292-4666. They have a nice fourty page color catalog. > >I'm fairly new to beekeeping and have only ordered from Dadant. I'd >be interested in the phone numbers for other catalog suppliers, say >the Kelly and Brushy Mountain mentioned above... > > -Mike Killoran > I don't have Walter Kelley's phone number handy, but Brushy Mountain (out of North Carolina) can be reached at 1-800-BEESWAX. I have no affiliation with any of these companies other than as a satisfied customer. I am particularly happy with Brushy Mt., as their prices are the cheapest I've found in the east (I'm in Atlanta), and the quality of all of the equipment I've purchased from them has been excellent. They are also close to me, so shipping charges are lower than from Kelley or Dadant. Jeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From jm67@acmez.gatech.edu Wed Jan 4 21:34:14 EST 1995 Article: 1110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmez.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmez.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb orientation Date: 4 Jan 1995 13:15:32 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 66 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmez.gatech.edu In-reply-to: oliphant@cae.wisc.edu's message of 3 Jan 1995 23:01:34 GMT >I'm a new beekeeping and have been trying to learn as much as possible >about honeybees. Well, I've got a question that seems rather obvious >yet, I have not been able to find any literature or anything on it. > >The question is do honeybees prefer (in naturally) to orient their comb >in one of the two geometric orientations possible with the hexangle >cell? All foundation seems to be just one way. > >The two orientation are: _ /\ > / \ | | > \_/ or \/ > > Ah, I think you are under a misconception here, but one that I also shared for a long time. The cells produced by the bees are NOT hexagonal. Rather, they are circular, and are packed up against each other as tightly as possible. The result is a hexagonal pattern, but the cells themselves are not hexagons. As an illustration, get a sheet of paper with a hole in it, and use it to trace out a row of circles on a sheet of paper. The result looks like the following: o o o o o o o o o o Now, if you go back and lay down a second line of circles under the first SO THAT THEY PACK IN AS TIGHTLY AS POSSIBLE (this doesn't really work well using ASCII type, but imagine the circles jammed up against each other so that they almost touch), the second line will be offset from the first by half. Thus, the pattern looks something like the following: o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o Continuing with the nextseveral lines yields: o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o ...enough. You can see the hexagonal pattern that forms, even though all I've done is pack circles together. In essence, this is all the bees are doing. Hope this helps. Jeeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jan 5 21:01:32 EST 1995 Article: 1111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey question Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 06:40:00 GMT Message-ID: <950104074012686@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 39 |-----------------|Wamback@cfa0.Harvard.Edu (jane Wamback)refer#: None >I have a plastic bottle of honey with the date 12/03/93 stamped on it; >this appears to be an expiration date. I have the impression that honey >doesn't "go bad" -- so that this honey should be safe to eat. > >Would a knowledgeable reader of this group let me know if this is indeed >the case? Thank you very much. |-------------------------------------| Hello Jane! It will darken with age, as I am sure yours did unless you kept it in the freezer. It may also turn to sugar, (crystallize). If it is solid, you can warm it up in hot, not boiling water, and it will melt. If it is dark, it is still excellent for replacing sugar in cooking with honey. If it is very dark, and strong flavored, or caramelized by long exposure to room temperatures or over heating, it still is excellent in food preparation that require brown sugar, molasses, sorghum syrup and the like. I have found NO cooking recipe that calls for sugar that honey of one kind or another can not be substituted. >From baked apples to hot chocolate. Good Luck with you Honey! ______________________ (//////////////////////) I have found NO recipe that calls for (//////////////////////) sugar that Honey can not be used. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Wild Flower! | Remember sugar is a cheep chemically | | treated substitute for honey. All raw | _ _ \ / | sugar must be cleaned of impurities | | |_| | __ _ \/ | including insect and rodent spore and | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | other deleterious substances before its | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | fit for human consumption. | | | Product of USA..16oz | Honey from the hive is ready to eat... |________________________| ttul Andy- From krabb@cs.ruu.nl Thu Jan 5 21:01:33 EST 1995 Article: 1112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!krabb From: krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) Subject: American foulbrood Message-ID: Summary: Measures against Am fb Keywords: American foulbrood Sender: usenet@cs.ruu.nl (Six O'Clock News) Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:58:42 GMT Lines: 16 Happy new year to all. I would like to know how the governments in various countries deal with Amrican foulbrood. Here in the Netherlands the disease is infecting more and more colonies and the governments reaction is dramatic in my opion. All hives and colonies will be destroyed. Really, your out of business if Afb strikes at you. I read that in Germany one has a method of dealing with the disease. How is it in your country? Thanks for help. -- -- Jeroen -- Jeroen Krabbendam, Department of Computer Science, Utrecht University, P.O box 80089, NL-3508 TB The Netherlands From packwood@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jan 5 21:01:35 EST 1995 Article: 1113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!utciva.civ.utwente.nl!news.cs.utwente.nl!packwood From: packwood@cs.utwente.nl (Lynn E. Packwood) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and toxic plants Date: 5 Jan 1995 10:51:16 GMT Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3egiv4$3ua@utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl> References: Reply-To: packwood@cs.utwente.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.utwente.nl I don't know about oleander - but in the case of foxgloves the digitalis is not water soluble and therefore doesn't get into the nectar. Lots of bees can't get to the nectar anyway as their tongues are too short - but there are helpful bugs that bite through the flower at a point allowing the nectar to leak out for all comers. Lynn From roe@crosfield.co.uk Thu Jan 5 21:01:36 EST 1995 Article: 1114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: American foulbrood Message-ID: <1995Jan5.132917.1500@crosfield.co.uk> Keywords: American foulbrood Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:29:17 GMT Lines: 23 In article krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) writes: >Happy new year to all. > >I would like to know how the governments in various countries deal >with Amrican foulbrood. >Here in the Netherlands the disease is infecting more and more colonies >and the governments reaction is dramatic in my opion. All hives and colonies >will be destroyed. Really, your out of business if Afb strikes at you. In the UK the situation is the same. Regulations require the destruction of all infected colonies by fire -- not just the bees but the hives as well. As a consequence AFB is rare. I've only seen it once and that was in someone else's bees. I think destruction is a price well worth paying to keep AFB at this low level. Beekeeping associations here provide insurance. It's very cheap -- only about GBP0.30 ($0.45) per hive per year. Is there a similar scheme in the Netherlands? If not, perhaps Dutch beekeepers should organise one. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 232301 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jm67@acmex.gatech.edu Thu Jan 5 21:01:37 EST 1995 Article: 1115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmex.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmex.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb orientation Date: 5 Jan 1995 09:26:01 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 74 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmex.gatech.edu In-reply-to: oliphant@cae.wisc.edu's message of 3 Jan 1995 23:01:34 GMT >The question is do honeybees prefer (in naturally) to orient their comb >in one of the two geometric orientations possible with the hexangle >cell? All foundation seems to be just one way. > >The two orientation are: _ /\ > / \ | | > \_/ or \/ > Well, after much thought, I realized that in my earlier post I really didn't answer Paul's question. I still contend that the bee cells are closer to circular than to truly hexagonal, but there ARE two different orientations that a grid of circles can assume. And, as shown roughly in Paul's illustration, the two are exact 30 degree rotations of each other. Sorry 'bout that, Paul. Maybe it'll teach me to read questions more carefully before attempting to answer them. Back to the question, if I assume that the cell is a perfect hexagon (albeit smoothed off to be closer to round), the two orientations of the cell walls (which are the shared walls between any two adjacent cells) can indeed look like either _ / \ or / \ \ _ / | | \ / Now, for what I've seen, I'd say in my hives I've seen both orientations, because although the bees make remarkably uniform cells IN SIZE, the orientation of the cells w.r.t. each other varies depending on other features in the hive. For instance, if burr comb is built on the walls of the hive, I've seen the "grain" of the pattern wobble significantly to accomodate the change from flat surface to curved surface. Clearly on foundation, the bees will tend to use the pattern that they are given to start with. With regard to the preference of orientation of the bees in the wild, I can't say for sure. My guess is that there is no real preference, but that the grain of the comb "morphs" from one orientation to another regularly, and the initial orientation is determined by the foundation used (for kept bees) or the way the first row of cells is placed in the case of the wild. If you've ever seen wild honeycomb, it does not conform to the regular flat-sheeted form that we come to see in our hives; rather, bridge and brace comb round off the comb at places and makes the resulting U-shaped main sheets of comb look much more "organic" than what we see in our hives. And as I stated before, it's the size of the CELLS rather than their absolute orientation to each other that seems to be the most regular. Hope this helps. Jeeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From rspear@primenet.com Thu Jan 5 21:01:38 EST 1995 Article: 1116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip196.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and toxic plants Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 18:49:38 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip196.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Hi all - This has probably been asked before, so please bear with me ... how come I'm not dying from my honey? There are oleanders all over my property and other toxic plants and I wonder why none of that material finds its way into the honey. I guess the bees are only taking nectar, but are there no toxins present in (say) oleander nectar? Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From jlks@u.washington.edu Thu Jan 5 21:01:39 EST 1995 Article: 1117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WWW Page Moves Date: 5 Jan 1995 02:43:55 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer13.u.washington.edu The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html Thanks, Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Jan 5 21:01:41 EST 1995 Article: 1118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: Thu, 05 Jan 95 11:18:54 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1731D9F21S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Keywords: American foulbrood In article krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) writes: >I would like to know how the governments in various countries deal >with Amrican foulbrood... How is it in your country? > I'm not sure if there is a federal policy in the States for AFB or if the issue is handled individually (and perhaps differently) by each state. I am SURE of New York state's policy for treatment for AFB, which I learned from the school of hard knocks. AFB is treated as a nuisance to the ENTIRE STATE! Owners of infected equipment are cited by the state and given two weeks to abate the nuisance, subject to $200 fines per day per piece of equipment if the nuisance is not abated. In my case that amounted to almost $3000 per day! A double brood chamber, bottom board, queen excluder, single super, inner and outer cover times two hives times $200 adds up very quickly! Needless to say, I was quick to abate the nuisance. To abate the nuisance one must destroy and burn the bees, and burn the frame and combs. Wooden bodies, supers, bottom boards and covers may be reused, but they must first be scorched by flame. Treatment by fire is the only SANCTIONED treatment for AFB in New York state. Irradiation of equipment is an effective treatment for AFB, but it's hard to find a site to nuke one's equipment and the state doesn't sanction such treatment anyway. There are schools of thought emerging that perhaps the treatment is too drastic and that perhaps treatment with drugs (terramycin) might be more appropriate. However, that idea runs into years of "burn 'em" attitudes and has yet to catch on as a sanctioned viable alternative. For the time being, if AFB then FLAME ON! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Thu Jan 5 21:01:42 EST 1995 Article: 1119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Switch Board Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:40:29 GMT Lines: 17 Recently I was told about a way to produce comb honey. Mr. X mentioned a "switch" board. The board looks like a swarm board. It has a large area cut out of the middle which is screened. The board has exit ports (from the top and the bottom) on all 4 sides. He say he puts a laying queen in a deep box, the switch board, another deep box with laying queen, an excluder and then several honey supers. The ports are opened and closed on a rotating weekly basis, so that the upper unit absorbs returning field bees. The bottom unit can only exit through the switch board. Is this right? ventilation? upper box congestion? swarm control? dead bees and other waste? uniting? From dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au Thu Jan 5 21:01:43 EST 1995 Article: 1120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: dnl@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (David 'Igor' Latter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: 6 Jan 1995 09:32:51 +1100 Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3ehs2j$rc2@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <1995Jan5.132917.1500@crosfield.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: dnl Keywords: American foulbrood >In article krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) writes: >>Happy new year to all. >> >>I would like to know how the governments in various countries deal >>with Amrican foulbrood. >>Here in the Netherlands the disease is infecting more and more colonies >>and the governments reaction is dramatic in my opion. All hives and colonies >>will be destroyed. Really, your out of business if Afb strikes at you. >In the UK the situation is the same. Regulations require the >destruction of all infected colonies by fire -- not just the bees but >the hives as well. As a consequence AFB is rare. I've only seen it >once and that was in someone else's bees. I think destruction is a >price well worth paying to keep AFB at this low level. Beekeeping >associations here provide insurance. It's very cheap -- only about >GBP0.30 ($0.45) per hive per year. Is there a similar scheme in the >Netherlands? If not, perhaps Dutch beekeepers should organise one. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here in Australia, (at least in Victoria) all hives with AFB are destroyed by burning the whole hive. However, as all good beekeepers are registered with the Dept. of Agriculture, they are compensated for the los of hive(s) the amount depends on the condition of hive materials etc. The fee for registration, $11 per year for those with less than 150 hives. With such methods AFB is not really common. I personally have never seen it and I hope it stays that way! :-) I have heard of commercial operations losing over 100 hives in one hit. There is an option to burning, that is gamma radiation to steralize the hive, it costs a bit, but at least you save your boxes... but the compensation goes down, I think. This is only relevant to Victorian (Aust) beekeepers, but chalkbrood is now here in Victoria. I have heard of two outbreaks up near the Murray, but the third I'm not sure of. Check your hives. David -- Could the last support staff member that leaves, please turn off the lights... -- Could the last support staff member that leaves, please turn off the lights... From rshough@tasc.com Fri Jan 6 14:17:52 EST 1995 Article: 1121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 13:20:47 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , krabb@cs.ruu.nl (Jeroen Krabbendam) wrote: > Happy new year to all. > > I would like to know how the governments in various countries deal > with Amrican foulbrood. > Here in the Netherlands the disease is infecting more and more colonies > and the governments reaction is dramatic in my opion. All hives and colonies > will be destroyed. Really, your out of business if Afb strikes at you. I read > that in Germany one has a method of dealing with the disease. How is it in > your country? AFB here tends to be considered as a "serious, but treatable" condition, which (fortunately) tends to occur relatively infrequently. In the USA, the policy is established by each state (there is no uniform federal policy on this that I am aware of). In New England, the prevaling attitude is to treat minor AFB outbreaks with medication, and if the colonies respond, you are allowed to keep them. If the outbreak is severe, or the colonies fail to respond to treatment, they are destroyed by fire. The determination of whether a specific situation is "severe" or not is left to the discretion of each apiary inspector, so there tends to be a lack of uniformity on the enforcement side of this. Rick Hough, a beekeeper from NE Massachusetts. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. From dwd@rodel.com Fri Jan 6 14:17:53 EST 1995 Article: 1122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!usenet From: dwd@rodel.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Date: 6 Jan 1995 00:47:34 GMT Organization: Portal Communications (service) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodel.com X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) > The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: > > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html >>>> Can anyone tell me how to make the symbol between edu/ and jlks? I've tried ommitting it, which doesn't work. Thanks! - Dale From jvanneste@hort.cri.nz Fri Jan 6 14:17:54 EST 1995 Article: 1123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news.massey.ac.nz!nikau.palm.cri.nz!rualc98.hort.cri.nz!user From: jvanneste@hort.cri.nz (Joel Vanneste) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Date: 6 Jan 1995 02:46:04 GMT Organization: Hort Research Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.36.135.98 In article <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com>, dwd@rodel.com wrote: > > The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: > > > > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html > >>>> > Can anyone tell me how to make the symbol between edu/ and jlks? > I've tried ommitting it, which doesn't work. > > Thanks! - Dale On my Macintosh I simply copied the address from your message on the clipboard, opened NCSA Mosaic, and when requested pasted the address, a double click et voila. However, I am not sure that you can do this if you do not have a Macintosh. Hope it will work for you. Cheers Joel -- Joel Vanneste Hort Research, Priv. Bag 3123 Hamilton, New Zealand Ph +64-7-838 5078 Fax +64-7-838 5903 From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jan 6 14:17:55 EST 1995 Article: 1124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: 6 Jan 1995 03:53:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3eierb$cdk@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu In article , Rick Hough wrote: >In New England, the prevaling >attitude is to treat minor AFB outbreaks with medication, and if the >colonies respond, you are allowed to keep them. If the outbreak is >severe, or the colonies fail to respond to treatment, they are destroyed >by fire. The determination of whether a specific situation is "severe" >or not is left to the discretion of each apiary inspector, so there >tends to be a lack of uniformity on the enforcement side of this. > In VA the same scenario exists. When I was an inspector, the good beekeepers either had no foul or cleared it up quickly. The lazy/clueless/shiftless beekeepers always had foul, and always had hives burned. ( I never burned any in two years, although I burned some equipment at a beekeeper's request) VA employs ETOH to to treat comb without destroying it, but I found a few foul cases with the old VA ETOH stickers on the hives. Its also expensive for the state and you can only do a few yards a week. If you have foulbrood and don't want to mess around, burn the brood comb, scorch the boxes/tops/bottoms and mark the honey supers, so that next time you use them they may be queen excluded so that no brood is reared in them and no AFB may start. Lots use mega medication. As a blanket treatment. If they stopped, they'd break down with AFB everywhere. So what to do? Buy inspected hives, and anyone who tells you "they used to have 200 hives..." is someone you might not want to deal with. :) Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From rspear@primenet.com Fri Jan 6 14:17:56 EST 1995 Article: 1125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!asuvax!names.maricopa.edu!news.primenet.com!ip207.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:51:31 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip207.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> dwd@rodel.com writes: >From: dwd@rodel.com >Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves >Date: 6 Jan 1995 00:47:34 GMT >> The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: >> >> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html >>>>> >Can anyone tell me how to make the symbol between edu/ and jlks? > I've tried ommitting it, which doesn't work. >Thanks! - Dale Dale - It's a tilde and it is on every US keyboard I've ever seen (of course, Iuse PC's ... don't know about Macs, etc.). Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From Ben.Gustafson@f4066.n282.z1.fidonet.org Sat Jan 7 11:11:54 EST 1995 Article: 1126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Ben.Gustafson@f4066.n282.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Gustafson) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!edgar!uffda!FredGate Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hi. Message-ID: <789465369.AA05360@uffda.mn.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 1995 15:46:03 -0600 X-FTN-To: All Lines: 5 hello ev'ry one... I am only 10, but I help my dad in beekeeping... I am very intrested in this and I wonder if Anyone else is from Minnesota Beekeepers here.. Or Michigan... We have expeirenced that hives that were swarms from different hives that we capture do not survive, Is there anyone else with this problem or and solution? Ben From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 7 11:11:55 EST 1995 Article: 1127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 21 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 11:04:10 +0000 Message-ID: <789476650snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> dwd@rodel.com writes: > > The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: > > > > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html > >>>> > Can anyone tell me how to make the [tilde] If it isn't on your keyboard but you can make characters by their value, tilde is 7E (hex), 126 (decimal), 176 (octal). On a PC you can form any character by holding down the Alt key and typing whilst typing the decimal value on the *numeric* keypad. The character appears when you finally release the Alt key. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK Quanti ille canis est in fenestra ? From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sat Jan 7 21:51:50 EST 1995 Article: 1128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:33:58 GMT Lines: 64 : > Can anyone tell me how to make the symbol between edu/ and jlks? : > I've tried ommitting it, which doesn't work. It's the tilde (~), the shifted character located above the 'tab' and below the 'esc' keys on this particular keyboard. If you don't have it, you may have to remap your keyboard, or keep it somewhere and cut and paste it in or: : On my Macintosh I simply copied the address from your message on the : clipboard, opened NCSA Mosaic, and when requested pasted the address, a : double click et voila. However, I am not sure that you can do this if you : do not have a Macintosh. To carry this somewhat off-topic, but fascinating topic one step further: For Windoze users: I personally use the clipbook (Windoze 3.11) each time I come across a URL of interest and save them up as Clipbook pages (one line per page with descriptive titles). If you don't have a clipbook, just open a notepad. Title it '@urls' or something that will be easy to find in your windows directory (the default) and copy and paste URLs -- along with descriptions -- there. Keep it open all the time if you have lots of memory and alt/tab or alt/esc to it, or just save it and open it only when you need it. When you need the URL's, just alt/tab to (or open) the notepad and copy >from the notepad to clipboard and then paste to the dialog box on your brouser. I had to configure my right mouse button to 'paste' because a lot of stupid windows applications won't allow you to access the 'edit' menu when a dialog box is open (bummer). I have a logitech trackball (bonus!) and so am not sure anymore what the original 'mouse' settings in Windows 3.* control panel look like and offer, but I believe there are ways to assign 'paste' to the right button. There is probably a keyboard 'paste' workaround, but don't know if it is allowed in dialog boxes. Of course, you are going to want to have selected 'fast alt/tab switching' >from 'desktop' in your windows 'control panel' to be able to do anything at all. Read the 'help' screen while you are in control panel setting it up for details. Estimates are that 90%+ of Windoze users don't know about this *essential* Windows feature. Then when I'm in Netscape (my brouser), I just paste from the clipbook to the clipboard and wheee! . . . away we go. If they don't work, I try again later, just to be sure the host wasn't just refusing connections at the moment. For those of you condemned to UNIX shell accounts (no PPP, no www): Have you heard of TIA? (simulates SLIP/PPP on UNIX shell accounts). Nice to see a few posts over here for a change! -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From allend@internode.net Sat Jan 7 21:51:51 EST 1995 Article: 1129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!internet.spss.com!pagesat.net!tcel!usenet From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) Subject: Re: American foulbrood X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Sender: usenet@tcel.com (Usenet Transfer Agent) Nntp-Posting-Host: dialin7.internode.net Organization: Telnet Canada Enterprises (403) 245-1882 Message-ID: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:09:26 GMT Lines: 12 >severe, or the colonies fail to respond to treatment, they are destroyed >by fire. The determination of whether a specific situation is "severe" There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected wax should not be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not killed in the process, experiments have shown that there is no risk of infection from the wax, even if used for foundation. The largest problem is to ensure that the wax combs, honey etc are kept from bee access until rendered. There is a lot of valuable wax in a box of combs. From alex@longton.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 8 22:59:26 EST 1995 Article: 1130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: alex@longton.demon.co.uk ("T. Alex. Shaw.") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!longton.demon.co.uk!alex Subject: Re: comb orientation Distribution: usa References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> Organization: home in Stoke on Trent, UK. Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 35 X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:01:06 +0000 Message-ID: <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk May I digress this discussion a little. Still on the subject of orientation, but not the rotational orientation of the cells, can anyone say which way the bees would orientate their comb in a natural environment? I may align the comb in my National hives in one of two ways. With the frames at a right angle to the entrance (called the `cold' way) or parallel with it (the `warm' way). Warm Way Cold Way ____________ ____________ |...........| | : : : | |...........| | : : : | |...........| | : : : | |__________ | |__:__:__:__| Entrance Entrance I determine the way in which the bees build by arranging the frames as I choose but in nature which way would the bees build or do they have a preference? Someone who has experimented with keeping bees in skeps or has experience of removing bees from natural cavities may have formed an idea. -- Regards AleX. From collinf@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu Sun Jan 8 22:59:27 EST 1995 Article: 1131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!owl.csrv.uidaho.edu!crow.csrv.uidaho.edu!collinf From: collinf@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Collin Forbes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Date: 8 Jan 1995 09:06:35 GMT Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3eo9us$8mk@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu> References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] dwd@rodel.com wrote: : > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html : Can anyone tell me how to make the symbol between edu/ and jlks? : I've tried ommitting it, which doesn't work. It's what I (and many other people, I'm sure) call a "tilde." It's ASCII 126 if that helps you (On a PC you can type alt-126 on the keypad, on a *nix system you may be able to escape it using something like "\$7E"). -- /''' Collin Forbes c oo collinf@uidaho.edu `` > `'` http://gopher.uidaho.edu/1/users/collinf/ From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jan 8 22:59:28 EST 1995 Article: 1132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: comb orientation Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:44:39 GMT Lines: 22 : but not the rotational orientation of the cells, can anyone say which way : the bees would orientate their comb in a natural environment? : : I determine the way in which the bees build by arranging the frames as I : choose but in nature which way would the bees build or do they have a : preference? I've read that there is no particular favoured orientation. *However*, the same source indicated that when a hive swarms, the swarm will orient the combs to the compass the same way that the parent hive was building combs. I have not verified this -- and I turn hives around in yards with no apparent effects, not that I've really made any careful observations. Interesting question! -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Mon Jan 9 09:54:55 EST 1995 Article: 1133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 07:49:26 -0500 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: usa Subject: Re: American foulbrood Message-ID: References: <3eierb$cdk@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 15 In article <3eierb$cdk@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > VA employs ETOH to to treat comb without destroying it, but I found a few > foul cases with the old VA ETOH stickers on the hives. Its also expensive > for the state and you can only do a few yards a week. Adam--by "ETOH" do you mean ethanol, or are you talking about ethylene oxide? Or something else entirely? I had wondered whether ethylene oxide would be effective in sterilizing hive bodies, and this sounds like an appropriate time to ask. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 9 09:54:56 EST 1995 Article: 1134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: 9 Jan 1995 13:11:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <3ercmf$be1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3eierb$cdk@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu In article , John E. Taylor III wrote: >In article <3eierb$cdk@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam >Finkelstein) wrote: > > >Adam--by "ETOH" do you mean ethanol, or are you talking about ethylene >oxide? Or something else entirely? I had wondered whether ethylene oxide >would be effective in sterilizing hive bodies, and this sounds like an >appropriate time to ask. > Ooops. ETO. Ethylene oxide. Pardon me. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jan 9 21:31:25 EST 1995 Article: 1135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: ETO Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 17:41:36 GMT Lines: 38 : Adam--by "ETOH" do you mean ethanol, or are you talking about ethylene : oxide? Or something else entirely? I had wondered whether ethylene oxide : would be effective in sterilizing hive bodies, and this sounds like an : appropriate time to ask. FWIW I've had a truckload of combs I bought done with ETO -- In Manitoba many many years ago, before our province built an ETO chamber at a cost to the Alberta taxpayer of $250,000 ETO does not work on anything but empty comb. *Any* pollen, honey, etc. stops penetration of the fumes. Thus, after fumigation, AFB was still there. I then cleaned it up with TM and sulfa (no longer permitted) and it is clean to this day! TM rules!! ETO is dangerous to the operator, poisonous, and highly reactive. We mothballed our chamber after it was decided that the possible reaction products remaining in the hives might contaminate honey and wax. It was also a lot of work and expense for doubtful results. Bee equipment had also dropped in value to the point where it was not economic. The chamber did, however come in *mighty* useful when a provicial museum was attacked by moths and they were able to fumigate several floors of displays and save the priceless clothing, etc. W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Jan 9 21:31:26 EST 1995 Article: 1136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psinntp!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 08:28:13 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <173217723S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) writes: > >There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected wax should not >be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not killed in the process, >experiments have shown that there is no risk of infection from the wax, >even if used for foundation. > I'vs got to ask, "What experiments?" If it's true that AFB can't be transmitted through rendered wax then I'd like to know the source of this information before I take any chances. If the spores aren't killed when the wax is rendered, then how can the wax be safe to use? My only experience with AFB left me with the impression that it's not something that you want to take risks with. Please give the source for these experimental findings. Thanks. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 9 21:31:27 EST 1995 Article: 1137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: 9 Jan 1995 21:18:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3es97b$bgu@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> <173217723S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu In article , Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote: > >I don't know whether rendering trmperatures just weaken the spores, or >maybe the french frying during melting chokes them with wax in their pores >(if they have any) or what. Maybe the spores are stuck inside the wax >and can't get to the larvae in sufficient numbers to get anything going. >It takes more than one spore to cause an infection I believe -- and >please don't ask *me* to look it up :-). > Sounds plausible. I'll try to find the articles this week and if I do, I'll post the bib. info. Look for the upcoming faq. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jan 10 16:45:02 EST 1995 Article: 1138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!kinky.eng.gtefsd.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: American foulbrood Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> <173217723S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:55:48 GMT Lines: 45 Aaron Morris (SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu) wrote: : In article <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> : allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) writes: : : > : >There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected wax should not : >be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not killed in the process, : >experiments have shown that there is no risk of infection from the wax, : >even if used for foundation. : > : : I'vs got to ask, "What experiments?" If it's true that AFB can't be : transmitted through rendered wax then I'd like to know the source of this : information before I take any chances. If the spores aren't killed when : the wax is rendered, then how can the wax be safe to use? My only : experience with AFB left me with the impression that it's not something : that you want to take risks with. Please give the source for these : experimental findings. Thanks. Well, I don't know offhand -- It's been many years since I've even given the matter much thought -- it's sort of like walking or riding a bike. So, short of taking out a text and doing research that doesn't really interest me, I can't help you there. However the real proof (experiment) is that diseased wax is rendered every day in North America and made into foundation that beekeepers who don't believe in medication or buying used equipment then put into their hives and have drawn into perfectly healthy combs. I don't know whether rendering trmperatures just weaken the spores, or maybe the french frying during melting chokes them with wax in their pores (if they have any) or what. Maybe the spores are stuck inside the wax and can't get to the larvae in sufficient numbers to get anything going. It takes more than one spore to cause an infection I believe -- and please don't ask *me* to look it up :-). I maintain that ABF is a disease that just barely makes it through its window of opportunity. If anything delays its development, it just doesn't happen. (That's how/why drugs work on it). -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From tuckey@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jan 10 16:45:03 EST 1995 Article: 1139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: Charles Tuckey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ETO Date: 10 Jan 1995 16:02:54 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3eub3e$iuc@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: gg.cpsc.ucalgary.ca dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) wrote: > ETO does not work on anything but empty comb. *Any* pollen, honey, etc. > stops penetration of the fumes. This is true... > > ETO is dangerous to the operator, poisonous, and highly reactive. We > mothballed our chamber after it was decided that the possible reaction > products remaining in the hives might contaminate honey and wax. It was > also a lot of work and expense for doubtful results. I was the operator of the Alberta fumigation chamber (so many years ago!) that Allen refers to. We had to be careful when using ETO but the chamber we were using was well designed and the danger to the operator was minimal. Certainly no more dangerous than using cyanide gas to kill bees (a common practice in Alberta at that time). It was my experience that the ETO was *extremely* effective in getting rid of AFB when it was applied properly. Beekeepers were told to extract their combs so that they contained no honey. The combs to be fumigated were put into the fumigation chamber, heated and moistened. A vacuum was drawn on the chamber and then the ETO gas was injected. If memory serves this process was repeated. It was a time consuming process; it could take from 6-8 hours to process one batch. In the case that I am familiar with an infestation of AFB in 1000 colonies was eradicated with one application of ETO (followed up with TM). This was after TM alone failed to provide a solution. charlie From killoran@ll.mit.edu Tue Jan 10 16:45:04 EST 1995 Article: 1140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!llnews.ll.mit.edu!usenet From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Order, family, genus, etc question Date: 10 Jan 1995 19:17:02 GMT Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: A simple question for one in the know: An Italian bee may be called by its scientific name. What are the parts? E.g., is Apis the order? ? ? ? | | | | | | Apis Mellifera Ligustica Thanks! -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From rspear@primenet.com Tue Jan 10 22:15:11 EST 1995 Article: 1141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip242.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Order, family, genus, etc question Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:24:59 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip242.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) writes: >From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) >Subject: Order, family, genus, etc question >Date: 10 Jan 1995 19:17:02 GMT >A simple question for one in the know: >An Italian bee may be called by its scientific name. What are the >parts? E.g., is Apis the order? > ? ? ? > | | | > | | | >Apis Mellifera Ligustica [deletions] Mike - It's Genera species (V)variety Species name is not capitalized ... variety may be (proper name, e.g.) Hope this helps. Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From pollinator@aol.com Wed Jan 11 14:45:56 EST 1995 Article: 1142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Order, family, genus, etc question Date: 10 Jan 1995 23:03:29 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3evlah$7uv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Mike Killoran asks: >A simple question for one in the know: An Italian bee may be called by its scientific name. What are the parts? E.g., is Apis the order? ? ? ? | | | | | | Apis Mellifera Ligustica< (Order) Hymenoptera, (Family) Apidae, (Genus) Apis, (Species) Mellifera, (Race) Ligustica. Hope this helps. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From moroney@world.std.com Wed Jan 11 14:45:57 EST 1995 Article: 1143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!uunet!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: comb orientation Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 03:21:47 GMT Lines: 12 In article <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk>, alex@longton.demon.co.uk ("T. Alex. Shaw.") wrote: > May I digress this discussion a little. Still on the subject of orientation, > but not the rotational orientation of the cells, can anyone say which way > the bees would orientate their comb in a natural environment? > > I may align the comb in my National hives in one of two ways. With the > frames at a right angle to the entrance (called the `cold' way) or parallel > with it (the `warm' way). >From a sample of one (a honeybee colony I removed from the rafters of my barn) the warm way. From rshough@tasc.com Mon Jan 16 13:01:10 EST 1995 Article: 1144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!newsserver.tasc.com!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW Page Moves Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:24:42 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <3efmdb$s19@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> <789476650snz@apis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <789476650snz@apis.demon.co.uk>, Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk wrote: > In article <3ei3v6$k48@news1.svc.portal.com> dwd@rodel.com writes: > > > > The Beekeeping World Wide Web page is now at: > > > > > > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html > > >>>> > > Can anyone tell me how to make the [tilde] > > If it isn't on your keyboard but you can make characters by their value, > tilde is 7E (hex), 126 (decimal), 176 (octal). On a PC you can form any > character by holding down the Alt key and typing whilst typing the > decimal value on the *numeric* keypad. The character appears when you > finally release the Alt key. > You can "escape" special characters directly in the URL by using the percent character, followed by the special character's hex value. This means that you can get to the Beekeeping WWW page thusly: http://weber.u.washington.edu/%7Ejlks/bee.html Also, on my Mac keyboard, the tilde is in the top left corner, a "capital backwards single quote" (the description makes sense if you are looking at the keyboard!) The tilde is in the same spot on many PC keyboards. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. From JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:12 EST 1995 Article: 1145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!jvf101 Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:02:45 EST From: Jennifer Finley Message-ID: <95011.160245JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb orientation Distribution: usa References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk> Lines: 28 Alex had asked whether bees show a preference in building their comb the cold way (at right angles to the entrance) or the warm way (parallel with the entrance)... Here at Penn State, we've collected around a dozen or so feral tree hives to use as various demostration pieces in our apiary and insect museum. All of the feral hives that I have ever seen all have the combs aligned "the cold way" -- that is so that the bee spaces connect directly with the entrance space. It makes sense to me considering the ease of entry and exit, especially during busy honey flows. And even though "the cold way" seems to us like it would be colder and draftier, I'm sure the bees find it quite tolerable -- the heating and airconditioning specialists that they are! Do you notice any differences between your "warm way" hives and "cold way" hives? Once we had a tremendous amount of trouble (3 sets of bees absconded) starting a large tree observation hive (the whole front is plexiglass). Weeks later, we tried again in a last ditch effort with a fourth set of bees, even though our starter comb had been completely eaten by wax moths. These bees promptly moved in and began building comb THE OPPOSITE WAY from what we had been encouraging with our stater comb. Since this hive has a three inch entrance tube in a very windy location, WE thought the "warm way" combs would be better, but three sets of bees told us we were wrong and the fourth set built comb the way THEY wanted it -- the cold way! After we stopped argueing with them, the colony did very well! Jennifer Finley Penn State Entomology From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:13 EST 1995 Article: 1146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!yuma!usenet From: Lou Bjostad Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers of Renown Date: 12 Jan 1995 16:49:16 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3f3mic$1pf6@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> References: <3f3er3$9sv@nic.umass.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu rebon@titan.oit.umass.edu (RICHARD E BONNEY) wrote: > > There is another category as well. I understand that A I Root was an > observer at Kittyhawk for the first Wright Brothers flight. Any other > such tidbits? I don't think this is quite right. As I recall from one of Tom Crouch's books on history of aviation, Root first saw the Wright Bros. fly in Dayton, in 1905. Root's claim to fame is that his story in "Gleanings in Bee Culture" about their flights was the first publication of what the Wrights were up to. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jan 16 13:01:14 EST 1995 Article: 1147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB research Articles (was: Re: American foulbrood) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 02:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <950112084511722@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 93 |-----------------|Adamf@vtaix.Cc.Vt.Edu (adam Finkelstein)refer#: None > Looking through the Apicultural Abstracts I found two articles that are >sort of relevant to this topic. > > (In Russian) >_Don't allow spreading of honeybee foul brood disease through wax >refineries_, Smirnov, A.M., _Veterinariya_,(5):92-94 (1966). > > " Data are provided to show the survival of _Bacillus larvae_, _B.alvei_, >and the two species together in wax, wax residues, washing water etc. at >various stages in the refining process." > > _Preserving beehive parts with paraffin wax_, Cook, V.A., _N.Z. Jl. >Agric._, 117 (1): 60-61; 63,65 (1968). > > " Immersion for 2 minutes at about 316 degrees F (158 degrees C ) was >sufficient to sterilize equipment taken from hives infected with _Bacillus >larvae_." > > Draw you own conclusions. >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ____________________________________________________ |-------------------------------------| Hello All, Not to minimize the danger AFB is to a beehive or beekeepers. It may be true that some or many spores may be left over after most any scheme to sterilize equipment. But it is also true that the bees have a certain resistance to these spores, and even after a boiling lye bath AFB spores can be found, but in hundreds if not hundreds of thousands of practical tests no colonies or very few colonies will be re-infected by using this equipment, and the same can be said of wax foundation that may have originated from hives with AFB. No creditable evidence has been presented that the use of todays foundation has caused one case of AFB, as far as I know. IMHO, Where it is permitted the regular use of TM should be part of every beekeepers prophylaxis treatment of his bees in the early spring. The increase in healthy brood even in hives with NO signs of disease is worth the cost. The most costly common disease in many areas of America is EFB, EFB can be prevented, and TM must be present at the start of brood rearing. Beekeepers who feed sugar syrup or protein diets, or can dust bees early with what ever and include TM will be rewarded by fewer problems later on. This resistance to AFB demonstrated in all manner of field conditions may be the quantitative number of spores needed to kill any one larva, or the fact that many hives will remove spontaneous low levels of infection. Or it could be that spores in honey that is ingested by bees pose a grater degree of danger to a larger number of larvae then spores that may be on hive parts or wax. A few people, me included, believe AFB, is a most dangerous disease because it will kill the bee colonies if not abated, at the same time we believe that AFB is more a disease of beekeepers then bees. I say that because seldom in any one beekeepers experience does one find AFB in feral hives, and the beekeepers compulsion to save diseased hives and equipment at any cost or risk and to almost always place the blame for any disease found in his own equipment on the poor beekeeping skills of his neighbor, sometimes hundreds of miles away. Many beekeepers understand and promote that their bees are a bio sampler of the environment, and this is sometimes sadly true with agricultural chemicals, and environmental pollution of every kind. We accept this as part of the grand plan. Another part of the plan may be we will be continently threatened by pests, predators, and disease that our bees are host to. If todays challenge to keep bees alive and healthy seem large, just wait awhile. I believe America is about to learn more about viruses, (what they can do to bees), in a relative short span of time that will make all else seem like wonderful diversions. A beekeepers life span in the industry is rather long, maybe 45+ years. Today those with a lifetime of experience are reporting losses in the 50%-80% range. None of these people ever expected to work 40+ years and have these kind of losses. None are BAD beekeepers, all are SAD. 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Date: 12 Jan 1995 22:43:56 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3f4bbc$hta@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <95011222000539@posnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu In article <95011222000539@posnet.co.uk>, Hugo Veerkamp wrote: > >The European Beenet proudly announces that we >have finally been able to locate a feed for >this newsgroup, so that we can keep in touch >here too >( after also connecting Bee_l and Bombus-L) > Yay! Welcome aboard beekeeping brothers and sisters! Not to sound too goopy, but I am really excited you have a newsfeed. Terrific. Hugo and the European beenet folks have been trying to get USENET news for awhile. Great! Adam (your .signature looks fine) -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:16 EST 1995 Article: 1149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB research Articles (was: Re: American foulbrood) Date: 11 Jan 1995 18:59:43 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3f19qv$kn8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> <173217723S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Keywords: American Foulbrood, afb, wax, brood disease. In article , Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote: >Aaron Morris (SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu) wrote: >: In article <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> >: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) writes: > >Well, I don't know offhand -- It's been many years since I've even given >the matter much thought -- it's sort of like walking or riding a bike. > >So, short of taking out a text and doing research that doesn't really >interest me, I can't help you there. Looking through the Apicultural Abstracts I found two articles that are sort of relevant to this topic. (In Russian) _Don't allow spreading of honeybee foul brood disease through wax refineries_, Smirnov, A.M., _Veterinariya_,(5):92-94 (1966). " Data are provided to show the survival of _Bacillus larvae_, _B.alvei_, and the two species together in wax, wax residues, washing water etc. at various stages in the refining process." _Preserving beehive parts with paraffin wax_, Cook, V.A., _N.Z. Jl. Agric._, 117 (1): 60-61; 63,65 (1968). " Immersion for 2 minutes at about 316 degrees F (158 degrees C ) was sufficient to sterilize equipment taken from hives infected with _Bacillus larvae_." Draw you own conclusions. I'm confused. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Mon Jan 16 13:01:17 EST 1995 Article: 1150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WE'RE IN !! Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:46:01 GMT Message-ID: <95011222000539@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 64 hi Adam (and all you other sci.agriculture.beekeepers out there) The European Beenet proudly announces that we have finally been able to locate a feed for this newsgroup, so that we can keep in touch here too ( after also connecting Bee_l and Bombus-L) Our Beenet England host, Steve Turner of Amigabee London imports the newsgroup locally and then exports it to the BEE bbs Amsterdam, >from where it can travel all over Europe. Another valuable connection is made ( have a cigar!) Glad to be finally with you. Hugo For starters I'd like to discuss the value of the results about Chalkbrood disease producing linolic acid which seems to suppress Foulbrood. (Shimanuki,H.:'Bee fungus leads to new control for foulbrood disease',ABJ 133(10):701(1993) ) Trteating with linolic acid probably shares the disadvantages of standard tetracycline treatments (foulbrood not breaking out, which allows spores to remain and form a source for further epidemic outbreaks..) Or are there other things to be said in favour of linolic acid treatments ? ( what we need is a way to kill both bacteria and spores, while leaving bees alive) sincerely, Hugo \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | E-mail : | mail : the Bee bbs | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| P.O. BOX 51008 | | ( or press reply button) | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | | | The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ b.t.w.: can anyone tell me if my signature ( above) makes it through all our gates and routings ? thanx, H. --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jan 16 13:01:18 EST 1995 Article: 1151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: AFB research Articles (was: Re: American foulbrood) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 18:03:21 GMT References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> <173217723S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3f19qv$kn8@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 43 : (In Russian) : _Don't allow spreading of honeybee foul brood disease through wax : refineries_, Smirnov, A.M., _Veterinariya_,(5):92-94 (1966). : " Data are provided to show the survival of _Bacillus larvae_, _B.alvei_, : and the two species together in wax, wax residues, washing water etc. at : various stages in the refining process." : _Preserving beehive parts with paraffin wax_, Cook, V.A., _N.Z. Jl. : Agric._, 117 (1): 60-61; 63,65 (1968). : " Immersion for 2 minutes at about 316 degrees F (158 degrees C ) was : sufficient to sterilize equipment taken from hives infected with _Bacillus : larvae_." I'd be curious about the vigor and viability of the spores after wax rendering. I know they (can) survive, and mentioned that in my original post. However the question is: can they -- in any likelihood -- infect a healthy hive when present only in foundation? As far as I can recall, the answer is 'no' -- not in any probability. I personally put about 1,000 (comb) supers a year of fresh foundation (from known renderers of diseased combs) onto unmedicated hives. The comb is for export and tested to the limit of technology (and beyond) for *any* antibiotic activity and cannot say I recall seeing any unusual breakdown og AFB as a result. (By the way, I have several hundred like new Ross Round supers for sale -- I'm cutting back a bit) I'd be curious what the Russian study actually says, and if it has any credibility. It could well just be saying: "Don't run the wash water out on the ground where bees will pick it up and take it home, but the wax is safe".??? Or it could be saying "no hazard". Somehow, I doubt the latter, tho'. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From rebon@titan.oit.umass.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:19 EST 1995 Article: 1152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!nic.umass.edu!titan.oit.umass.edu!rebon From: rebon@titan.oit.umass.edu (RICHARD E BONNEY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers of Renown Date: 12 Jan 1995 14:37:23 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3f3er3$9sv@nic.umass.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have had a query for which I have no answer. Who was the well known individual (perhaps Winston Churchill) who had experience with honey bees,or perhaps with bee lining, and wrote a booklet about it? I'm sure there are actually many well known people with bee experience, but who are they? There is another category as well. I understand that A I Root was an observer at Kittyhawk for the first Wright Brothers flight. Any other such tidbits? The person who posed the question to me is a beekeeper who gives popular talks on bees and beekeeping to the public. Anything you can come up with will be appreciated. Dick Bonney rebon@ent.umass.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:20 EST 1995 Article: 1153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uwvax!uchinews!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ Magazine 1/95 Date: 12 Jan 1995 23:58:26 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 252 Message-ID: <3f4fn2$m1k@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Keywords: bee, beekeeping, apis, sanford, honeybee Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 13, Number 1, January 1995 Copyright (c) 1995 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" FLORIDA BEE MEETINGS Two educational bee meetings will be held in Florida in late winter. Archbold Biological Station has been scheduled for a meeting to be held by beekeepers from New York on Saturday, February 11, 1995. Dr. Roger Morse of Cornell University has organized an informative program which will provide basic information about Florida beekeeping, as well as help beekeepers exchange ideas concerning commercial pollination (i.e. hauling bees in refrigerated trucks). Dr. H. Shimanuki, research leader of the USDA Bee Laboratory in Beltsville, MD will be present to discuss current ideas about bee disease. The meeting is open to all beekeepers, is scheduled from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. and there is no registration fee. However, participants are asked to bring their lunch to the station which is somewhat off the beaten path. Archbold Biological Station is about seven miles south of Lake Placid, FL. The station's entrance can be found by going one mile west on Route 70 from the junction between Route 70 and Hwy 17, followed by one and a half miles south on Old State Route 8. The auditorium is about half a mile from the entrance. The phone number is 813/465-2571. A seminar on backyard beekeeping for pollination and honey will be held Saturday, February 25, 1995 at the Clay County Cooperative Extension Service. The site is the Exhibition Building, 4 miles west of Green Cove Springs at 2463 State Road 16W. The program will begin at 9:00 a.m. and end at 5:00 p.m. A $10.00 charge covers refreshments, teaching materials and a catered lunch on site. This fee must be paid by February 23, 1995; pre- registration is required. Those wanting more detailed information, and persons requiring special accommodations due to disability, should contact 904/269-6355, 904/284-6355 or 904/473-3711. APIMONDIA IN SWITZERLAND I am in receipt of the second circular advertising the thirty- fourth International World Apicultural Congress to be held August 15-19, 1995 in Lausanne, Switzerland. This promises to be a meeting rich in information (beekeeping economy, bee biology, bee pathology, melliferous flora and pollination, beekeeping technology and equipment, apitherapy and developmental apiculture). The scenery will also be spectacular (on the north bank of Lake Geneva). Deadline to register for the hotel as listed in the brochure is June 20, 1995. For more information, contact Apimondia 95, Agence de voyage officielle, Ernst Marti SA, CH-3283 Kallnach/Suisse, tel. +41 32 820 111; fax +41 32 822 123; telex 934 236. BREEDING PROGRAMS; HAS THEIR TIME COME? The beekeeping industry is increasingly faced with the lack of "tools" (various chemicals) to fight diseases and pests. And those that are available cost more each year in real dollars, as well as time and labor to apply. It looks more and more like the solution for many of these problems must have a genetic component. Breeding programs, therefore, are being looked at carefully and taken more seriously than in the past. Traditionally, many beekeepers have resisted paying higher prices for the queens produced by these efforts. Queen breeding is an expensive enterprise and can be fraught with many obstacles. These were discussed in some detail in the September 1992 issue of APIS. Perhaps as a consequence of the costs and complexities involved, many breeding programs cannot be sustained over time. There are some notable exceptions, however. One of these is Hybri- Bees, the Florida program that was preceded by Genetic Systems. The genesis of Hybri-Bees was the Illinois breeding program that produced the Starline and Midnight varieties, hybrid lines originally developed under the guidance of Bud Cale and Dadant & Sons. Over the years, the breeding effort changed direction and focus, but its survival is a testimony that at least some beekeepers were committed enough to the stock to sustain it through some very trying times. Detection of the tracheal mite and subsequent quarantines placed on Florida queens in the early 1980s dealt a great blow to Hybri-Bees, as they did to other bee breeders in the state. With time, however, a recovery has begun. According to an article in The Speedy Bee (November 1994), Hybri-Bees has reorganized and relocated to Dade City, FL. This move is coincident with a reduction in breeder-queen price to $300.00, removal of royalty payments on all stock (except USDA ARS-Y-C-1), and license to use the Starline and Midnight logo for one year from date of purchase. Mr. Dean M. Breaux is the new executive vice president of Hybri-Bees, Inc., 11140 Fernway Lane, Dade City, FL 33525, ph 904/521-0164. In a recent conversation with Mr. Breaux, I learned that he plans to help cooperators in the program retune their genetic selection toward honey production. Each season, he will ship out breeder queens to large-scale cooperators, who will evaluate the stock and return to him selected individuals for further breeding efforts. In this way, he hopes to develop several closed populations of bees, which will benefit specific producers. This will be a departure from the philosophy that built the Starline and Midnight reputations; developing specific lines of bees that were crossed to produce hybrids. The Starline and Midnight hybrids were not designed to be self-regenerating; the concept was for beekeepers to continually requeen with hybrids produced by the program. Over the years, this had varied success. Although the program's concept is changing, Mr. Breaux said that the Hybri-Bees program will still be based to a great degree on the genetic material incorporated into the stock over many decades. As a consequence, beekeepers should continue to see some of the same characteristics they have so long favored in these stocks. The concept of selecting for honey production may not be as "sexy" or in vogue as selecting for disease and pest resistance. But this kind of breeding design can be cost-effective. By definition, bees that are riddled with diseases or pests will not produce more honey. Selecting for this trait, therefore, is probably the result of a number of good genetic characteristics. It's the kind of approach discussed by Dr. Walter Rothenbuhler in "Necessary Links in the Chain of Honey Bee Stock Improvement," American Bee Journal, Vol. 120, Nos. 3 and 4, pp. 223-5, 304-5. Acknowledging the potential cost and complexity of any bee breeding project, Dr. Rothenbuhler asked rhetorically in his article whether there would be room for smaller, less expensive operations. His answer was yes, provided someone assumed overall management responsibilities. Some of the decisions and actions that must be made in perhaps the simplest of these plans, according to Dr. Rothenbuhler, are: 1. What region of the country is the bee to be developed for? Conduct field tests in the region in a practical way. 2. What bee characteristic is to be improved? For simplicity, select one. Honey production is suggested. 3. How many colonies are to be tested in each generation? Keep the number small, but not too small. Fifty colonies is suggested. 4. What percentage of the fifty are to be selected for further breeding? Ten percent is suggested. 5. Should new queens be naturally or instrumentally inseminated? Natural mating in a large population of drones, from other than the queen mothers, is suggested. 6. Send fifty naturally mated queens to the honey producer for field testing. 7. Continue this procedure for several generations. 8. Learn whether progress has been made by comparing in the same apiary the newly bred stock with samples of commercially available stocks. 9. If the newly bred stock is superior, the queen producer or producers will make it commercially available. Such a plan, according to Dr. Rothenbuhler, concentrating on selecting only drone mothers, should result in stock improvement about half as fast as if both parents were selected. The design is simple, not costly and can be carried out by good beekeepers. One can build, he concludes, any number of more complex and efficient programs, but they increasingly must be carried out by people and organizations specially prepared to do so. Although bee breeding programs are important, they are only part of the answer when it comes to the many beekeeping problems facing the industry today. And it is dangerous to focus totally on this aspect in favor of other considerations. That is the view of Dr. Michael Burgett, writing in the January 1995 (Vol. 123, No. 1, pp. 58-60) Bee Culture. He suggests that genetic solutions are problematic, especially if they are considered a quick-fix to what ails the beekeeper. As Dr. Burgett says: "A genetically selected (designed) honey bee line is by most genetic definitions, a hybrid constructed from crosses manipulated by bee scientists. It is not genetically 'fixed' and without continual human intervention, the qualities of the line will be eventually lost when those queens are placed into hives. Why? Because most beekeepers do not requeen frequently enough. Because many newly requeened colonies will undergo supersedure without the beekeeper's knowledge. Because those supersedure queens will be mating with drones from local (unselected) stock. Because a single selected line cannot be well adapted for all the beekeeping conditions found in North America." For all of the above reasons, Dr. Burgett says, there is no possibility of a genetic quick-fix honey bee breeding program, characterized by an open, multiple-male mating system. In spite of this, Dr. Burgett doesn't advocate stopping the search for and development of improved lines of bees. The genetic solution when found, however, cannot stand alone, he concludes, but must be part of a generally improved system of beekeeping practice. 1995 BEEKEEPING CALENDAR Continuing a long tradition, the North Carolina State Beekeepers Association is selling its 1995 calendar for $6.00 (send check or money order to NCSBA, 1403 Varsity Dr., Raleigh, NC 27606). Authored by Stephen Bambara, the calendar is sure to help you schedule your beekeeping chores. It's written with an eye for North Carolina conditions, of course, but there's plenty of other information if you're not interested in what's happening each month in the coastal plain, piedmont or mountains of the tarheel state. In July, there's discussion of the arrival of the "golden bee" in America; the native bumble bee's lifestyle is portrayed in August. There are even recipes and tips about cooking with honey. My favorite topic of the month (November), right in tune with the bee breeding theme of the previous article, is the linguometer, developed in the 1880s by John H. Martin of Hartford, NY. This instrument was advertised to determine the potential "reach" of each bee into the long-corolla of red clover flowers, much in vogue by farmers in that era. According to an article in the Beekeepers' Magazine (May 1882): "If we wish to breed for the reaching power, this instrument will enable us to do so without trusting blindly to the development of this quality. A general trial with a correct instrument will soon teach us if large yields of honey from certain swarms is dependent on this quality of the bees. It will also tell us if climate makes a difference in this reaching power." The inventor concludes that his bee's tongue tester "...occupies but a few minutes of time and the tongues of any honey loving insect from a fly to a bumble bee can be measured." Always the optimist, Mr. Martin admits to designing the instrument so that it could measure up to a full inch, "in anticipation of the arrival of Apis dorsata." Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1995 "All Rights Reserved" -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz Mon Jan 16 13:01:21 EST 1995 Article: 1154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!NewsWatcher!user Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Message-ID: From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:40:08 +1200 References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> Organization: School of Music University of Auckland NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.90.127 Lines: 19 In article <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com>, allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) wrote: > There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected wax should not > be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not killed in the process, > experiments have shown that there is no risk of infection from the wax, > even if used for foundation. I believe the "Weed" process originated by the Root company last century which heats the wax to 160 degrees Celsius for a certain time, and filters it thru something like porcelain, is the only sure way of rendering diseased wax. Anything less than this is too risky. Live spores in foundation will wipe out a hive quick as look at you. -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland neo-Luddite From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Jan 16 13:01:22 EST 1995 Article: 1155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: Order, family, genus, etc question References: <3evlah$7uv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 27 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:17:29 +0000 Message-ID: <790082249snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <3evlah$7uv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> pollinator@aol.com "Pollinator" writes: > Mike Killoran asks: > >A simple question for one in the know: > > An Italian bee may be called by its scientific name. What are the > parts? E.g., is Apis the order? > > Apis Mellifera Ligustica< > > (Order) Hymenoptera, (Family) Apidae, (Genus) Apis, (Species) Mellifera, > (Race) Ligustica. (Phylum) Arthropoda, (Class) Insecta, (Order) Hymenoptera, (Family) Apidae, (Genus) Apis, (Species) Mellifera, (Race) Ligustica. (BTW, Arthropoda includes insects, crustaceans, arachnids, centipedes etc.) I _think_ thats the full set :-) -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK No matter where I go, the place is always called 'here'. From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 16 13:01:24 EST 1995 Article: 1156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Order, family, genus, etc question Date: 14 Jan 1995 08:58:59 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3f8lb3$f3o@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <790082249snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Gordon Scott says: >(Phylum) Arthropoda, (Class) Insecta, (Order) Hymenoptera, (Family) Apidae, (Genus) Apis, (Species) Mellifera, (Race) Ligustica. (BTW, Arthropoda includes insects, crustaceans, arachnids, centipedes etc.) I _think_ thats the full set :-) Oops, we forgot kingdom! Let's see - animal - I think that's it! Dave Green - a beekeeper - I should've had therapy instead. :-) Pollinator@aol.com From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 16 13:01:25 EST 1995 Article: 1157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Message-ID: <3f73kt$8ko@solaris.cc.vt.edu> From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Date: 13 Jan 1995 23:50:53 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Virginia Tech Keywords: FAQ, beekeeping, apiculture, apis, bees, honey, mead Summary: Pointers To Apicultural Information On The Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Lines: 390 sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ 1/12/94 This is FAQ #7 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. This FAQ tries to list and point to all informational resources on the internet for beekeepers and apiculturists. A great old beekeeping cliche is: "there are about as many ways to keep bees as there are beekeepers." Therefore rather than list and then answer the myriad beekeeping, bee culture, and apicultural questions in a cumbersome document, specific internet resources are listed in this FAQ so that you may find your own answers, like a true beekeeper!. If you are unable to utilize any of these resources, please don't hesitate to contact me or post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. As a last resort, you could even mail the listserv, bee-l, but *please* be sure to include a return address in your letter, and to realize that your question will go to *** all *** the list subscribers. Explicit instructions on listserv use and bee-l are included in this FAQ. Please read them before mailing anything to bee-l. You can always ask somebody. Asking really works! I'm working on an archive at sunsite.unc.edu for beekeeping. Once this is done, you may mail me with information, comments, hints, stories, FAQ ANSWERS, and they will become archived in an easily accessible way, via ftp, gopher, and www. I have already received some really nice beekeeping files. Thank you, you know who you are and you deserve praise! ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. 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(FOR DETAILED LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS, READ BEE-L SECTION AT END OF FAQ) * Beekeeping Home Page (WWW) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html * _Apis_ Magazine archive (WWW) http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Colorado State University http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Iowa State University http://www.public.iastate.edu/~entomology/ * sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu anonymous ftp, gopher * sunsite.unc.edu anonymous ftp, gopher, telnet anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd sunsite-Sustainable-Agriculture/beekeeping gopher: gopher sunsite.unc.edu go to: The Worlds of sunsite Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping (it's in there, the archive is huge!) * ftp.ucdavis.edu anonymous ftp: ftp ftp.ucdavis.edu /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping * Beekeeping FAQ's from beenet.com How to USE: Internet E-Mail a message addressed to: (example) HINT.103@beenet.com on subject line put the name of FAQ: HONEY ADULTERATION Thats all, you are welcome to add a message. Mail runs are 6am & 6pm. Problems, post to sysop@beenet.com FAQ Last update 9-28-94 name * NEW or UPDATED _________ HINT.IND THIS INDEX * WB-FILE.ZIP Beekeeping Files Wild Bee's BBS 9k 9/28 yellow.jacket How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner 8/94 argentin.ant Argentine Ant Control Adrian Wenner 8/94 ambee.fed Info-Joining American Beekeeping Federation apimon95.txt Info- APIMONDIA 1995 Meeting mead.lst How to join the Mead list mail bee-l.faq How to find Bee Info on Internet, Bee-L FAQ's++ 9/10 import.relief Letter to Congress, William J. 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If the subject line contains the word FILES, a list of available files will be sent. * Honey Hotline NHB Food Technology Program 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (Voice & Fax) *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44) 1222 665 522 V: (+44) 1222 372 409 (24 hrs) email: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Now putting out "B-Mail" a monthly newsletter available on the newsgroup or the listserver, soon to be archived. * Mead lovers list: mead-lovers-request@eklektix.com mead mailing list (subscribe, unsubscribe etc) mead-lovers@eklektix.com (to send message to all current mead-lover subscribers) * The Mead Association P.O. 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Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu * B-EYE bee eye simulator WWW pages that offer to "see the world through the eyes of a bee." http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/ Andy Giger email giger@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Diana Sammataro, bee researcher, author, is available for Tracheal mite questions and tracheal mite information. email dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. email jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. email robbee@crl.com * Paul Cheng will be coordinating the Bee sting/venom/allergy FAQ. email him with your information/input. email pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees. To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. The listserver (the computer that runs the list) maintains a log (archive) of all messages, and list members may request a copy of the log. The archive has a separate file for each month, and these files are currently saved for about a year. To access the listserve computer itself (i.e. to subscribe to or unsubscribe from BEE-L, to request a log file, etc.), send e-mail to the listserver address. Don't send control messages to the BEE-L address, because the message will just be sent to everyone on the list, and the computer will not do what you wanted it to do. Note that most control messages contain the list name (BEE-L) somewhere in the command, as the listserve computer generally runs many lists at any given time. How do I post a message to BEE-L? If you are on the Internet, send an e-mail message to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu If you are on BitNet, address your e-mail to bee-l@ALBNYVM1.BITNET Any message received at these addresses will be duplicated and mailed to everyone currently subscribed to the BEE-L list. How do I subscribe to, or unsubscribe from BEE-L? Send mail to the listserve computer (from the Internet the address is listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu from BitNet, the address is listserv@ALBNYVM1.BITNET To SUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L You may abbreviate SUBSCRIBE with SUB. Be sure to substitute your real name for the placeholder. You do not need quotes or any other delimiters surrounding your name. The listserve computer will determine your address from the "From:" header in your message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SIGNOFF BEE-L You may substitute either UNSUBSCRIBE or UNSUB for the SIGNOFF in this command to remove your subscription to the list If your address has changed since you subscribed, this command will fail - write to YOUR local POSTMAST/POSTMASTER/POSTMSTR id for assistance. If that fails, then write to OWNER-BEE-L @ for assistance. If that fails, then write one of the following (these are typical addresses that should be forwarded to a person who can answer your question): POSTMASTER@ POSTMAST@ POSTMSTR@ Note: = ALBNYVM1.BITNET if you are on BitNet. = uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on Internet). To avoid this problem, UNSUBSCRIBE from BEE-L before you move to a new e-mail address, and then resubscribe from your new address. How do I get help using the listserver? Send a message to the listserver, with the one word HELP in the body of the message. Address the message to listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet if you are on BitNet, or address it to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on the Internet. The listserver will mail a help document back to you. Sending the message INFO ? will cause the listserver to mail you a list of additional help documents that are available. These additional documents are requested by sending the message INFO (be sure to substitute the desired document name for ) Aknowledgments I would like to thank the following individuals: Jon Gefael who taught me and who is almost always right Pete Thorsen who is a walking man page Rick Hough for his FAQ contributions, and gentle way My school, VA Tech, for giving me an account Dr. Rick Fell, for making me think My old friend Jayne who bears with me even to this day My children for their beauty and to beekeepers worldwide Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Finkelstein, all rights reserved. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or compilations without express permission from the author. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Mon Jan 16 13:01:26 EST 1995 Article: 1158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!line31.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foulbrood Date: 15 Jan 1995 05:20:06 GMT Organization: none Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: line31.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ In article , p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) wrote: > In article <1995Jan7.180926.3284@tcel.com>, allend@internode.net (Allen > Dick) wrote: > > There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected wax should not > > be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not killed in the process, > > experiments have shown that there is no risk of infection from the wax, > > even if used for foundation. > > I believe the "Weed" process originated by the Root company last century > which heats the wax to 160 degrees Celsius for a certain time, and filters > it thru something like porcelain, is the only sure way of rendering > diseased wax. > > Anything less than this is too risky. Live spores in foundation will wipe > out a hive quick as look at you. > > -- > Peter Kerr bodger > School of Music chandler > University of Auckland neo-Luddite One way around all this is to go to plastic foundation. I found that it was just wonderful here in the Vancouver Canada area, having most luck with the DADANT size comb. Itried two things, a full one piece comb, made of plastic, and secondly, wooden frames with plastic foundation, was coated. gets rid of moth problems too. From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Mon Jan 16 13:01:27 EST 1995 Article: 1159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!line31.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: comb orientation Date: 15 Jan 1995 05:27:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 36 Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <3ecl0e$206@news.doit.wisc.edu> <789516066snz@longton.demon.co.uk> <95011.160245JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line31.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ In article <95011.160245JVF101@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jennifer Finley wrote: > Alex had asked whether bees show a preference in building their comb the > cold way (at right angles to the entrance) or the warm way (parallel > with the entrance)... > > Here at Penn State, we've collected around a dozen or so feral tree > hives to use as various demostration pieces in our apiary and insect > museum. All of the feral hives that I have ever seen all have the combs > aligned "the cold way" -- that is so that the bee spaces connect > directly with the entrance space. It makes sense to me considering the > ease of entry and exit, especially during busy honey flows. And even > though "the cold way" seems to us like it would be colder and draftier, > I'm sure the bees find it quite tolerable -- the heating and > airconditioning specialists that they are! > > Do you notice any differences between your "warm way" hives and "cold > way" hives? Once we had a tremendous amount of trouble (3 sets of bees > absconded) starting a large tree observation hive (the whole front is > plexiglass). Weeks later, we tried again in a last ditch effort with a > fourth set of bees, even though our starter comb had been completely > eaten by wax moths. These bees promptly moved in and began building > comb THE OPPOSITE WAY from what we had been encouraging with our stater > comb. Since this hive has a three inch entrance tube in a very windy > location, WE thought the "warm way" combs would be better, but three > sets of bees told us we were wrong and the fourth set built comb the way > THEY wanted it -- the cold way! After we stopped argueing with them, > the colony did very well! > > Jennifer Finley Penn State Entomology Maybe you would like to put this in a more familiar way, does this suggest we have the hive entrance on the width of the hive, or on the length. I ttend to use the length to provide more flight space, but maybe you'r telling me something. From bhatch@netcom.com Mon Jan 16 21:20:02 EST 1995 Article: 1160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!bhatch From: bhatch@netcom.com (Bob "Another beer, please" Christ) Subject: Re: Cat Quandary Message-ID: Followup-To: talk.politics.animals Organization: Bernie's Buttplugs, Inc. References: <3fecn9$5q4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:12:18 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29694 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1160 Why not ask the experts? Followups to talk.politics.animals because, that's where all this started. Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: : Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping : her wings. Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' honey producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if true? : Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part : of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here : at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the : honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support them. Anyone know if 'some' kill their bees "rather than help them survive the winter"? This sounds a little bogus to me. Then again, Rosemary is the one that tried to 'live trap' cockroachs in her apartment rather than allow the landlord to exterminate them. (true fact!) Also.... jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: >There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very >unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is pollinated >by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always >without support. Anyone know the stats about this? Bob --- This person is currently undergoing electric shock therapy at Agnews Developmental Center in San Jose, California. All his opinions are static, please ignore him. Thank you, Nurse Ratched From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Jan 17 10:10:48 EST 1995 Article: 1161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: 16 Jan 1995 22:33:12 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3fecn9$5q4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29703 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1161 In article , Bob "Another beer, please" Christ wrote: > >Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > >: Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping >: her wings. > >Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' honey >producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if true? > No honey producers do not blind the queen. They sometimes clip a portion of her wing so that if she flys to swarm, she will not go far and will return to the colony, with the bees. The idea is to not loose the colony. Since queens rarely fly after mating, this clipping doesn't impede her lifestyle, but no I haven't really talked to any queens so I'm not positively sure. >: Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part >: of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here >: at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the >: honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support them. Yes this is true. Some feel it is more profitable to this. I don't condone it, but some do it. The part of the world is North of the USA usually. In the USA honey has to have the country of origin on the label, so if you want to, you may boycott those countries you think would be killing bees, but you might hurt the ones you want to support. Anyway most honey is from such huge packers. The best strategy is to support local beekeepers who you can look in the eye. The honey is lots better too, if produced with care. > >Also.... > >jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: > >>There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very >>unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is pollinated >>by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always >>without support. Well you're wrong. Wild fruit might be pollinated by other species, but get your behind out to an orchard sometime during bloom and check out the honeybees. I don't think everyone is imagining that the bees are useful. Pollination is a much more valued beekeeping service than honey production. Maybe you'd want to talk with some farmers, beekeepers, and even read a little about pollination biology, ecology and management? Adam beekeeper, apicultural graduate student, honey lover, admirer of nature. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From pollinator@aol.com Tue Jan 17 10:10:49 EST 1995 Article: 1162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: 16 Jan 1995 23:22:05 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 184 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ffgld$f1e@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3ff0fd$f5h@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Bob Christ asks: >Why not ask the experts? Followups to talk.politics.animals >because, that's where all this started. >Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: >: Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or >clipping : her wings. >Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' >honey producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if >true? (I am a commercial beekeeper - not really a honey producer, but a pollination specialist, and publisher of a pollination newsletter. I'll try to >shed some light< on these questions. Clipping the wings of queens is an old method of reducing swarming. Swarming is the natural reproduction of honeybees, but if you are not present at the right time, you are likely to lose the swarm. Allowing this would be akin to raising cattle, and letting the calves run off to be lost in the woods. Besides the economic loss of livestock, their survival becomes iffy without care. The thought was that, if the queen could not fly with the swarm, they would not leave. Usually the swarm was only delayed by a few hours or a couple days, and the swarms left with a virgin queen anyway. Today the technique is mostly practiced by hobbyists who read about it in an old book and don't realize that it rarely works. There are other, better ways, of saving the >calves<. I've never heard of blinding queens, and expect that the attempt would kill her. Again: >: Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part >: of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here >: at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the >: honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support >them. >Anyone know if 'some' kill their bees "rather than help them survive >the winter"? >This sounds a little bogus to me. Then again, Rosemary is the one >that tried to 'live trap' cockroachs in her apartment rather than allow >the landlord to exterminate them. (true fact!) Ten years ago there was some truth to this. Some background: It takes a tremendous amount of feed or honey for bees to get through winter. They use the energy of the sugars to create heat, because the brood at the center of the winter cluster must be maintained at 94 degrees F. The winter survival rate of bees in northern areas is not very good and it is getting worse with clearcut logging (loss of feed), changing farm practices (ditto), pesticide misuse, and new parasites and diseases. The majority of American commercial beekeepers from northern areas load the bees on tractor trailers and go south for the winter. Canadians were not allowed to cross the border with bees on comb, because of brood disease quarantines, and it became common practice to kill off the bees in the fall and restock the hives with package bees from southern USA in the spring. They were transported across the border without brood, in screen cages, so there was no danger of spread of brood diseases. This practice was not only cheaper, but less risky, because a severe winter could kill off a lot of the bees. This practice mostly stopped when varroa mite, a new parasite was discovered in the US, and a quarantine was established for all bees from the USA. A few Canadians get bees from New Zealand, which does not yet have the mite, but this is expensive and there have been problems with shipping. Many Canadians beekeepers have established indoor wintering barns, and they are improving the technology to increase survival rate. This is expensive and a loss of power (=ventilation) can cause heavy loss, so there must be backups. Some beekeepers have quit. I doubt very many today would kill their bees. They are too valuable a resource, and too difficult to keep alive. He adds: >Also.... jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: >There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very >unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is pollinated >by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always >without support. Anyone know the stats about this? Yes, there are thousands of pollinating bees. However they are declining for many of the same reasons that honeybees are being lost. Furthermore commercial fruit production is in larger and larger tracts (monoculture), and pesticides have removed many native pollinators, so today most fruit pollination is managed. Hives are brought to the crop when needed, during bloom, and removed before spraying resumes. I don't have official figures (I'm not sure they exist) but I'm sure you'd be in the ballpark with about 100,000 hives of honeybees used each year for apples (New York 26,000), about 65,000 hives for blueberries and cranberries in New England and New Jersey. Almonds in California require more than any other crop, and several tractor trailer loads went this past spring from the east coast. If I recall correctly, it was around 275,000 colonies total. I provide bees primarily for watermelon, cucumbers, Kiwifruit, cantaloupe, squash and strawberries. If your watermelon (from South Carolina) tastes lousy, the grower didn't get bees from me. Look at the seeds; if half of them are white and undeveloped, the fruit is only half pollinated and it will never fully ripen. It didn't have enough bee visits in the blossom. If your melons is well rounded, deep red color, and almost all black seeds, it will be so sweet you'll want another piece, and you'll know the farmer got bees >from me. Without honeybees, we would lose much of our fruit. And that means managed honeybees, because few honeybees would survive in the wild today. (The African bee, a very vigorous bee with better resistance to disease and parasites may actually help reestablish wild pollination in some areas of the South). There is some development of other pollinators. There is a small and growing supply of bumblebee colonies (purchased rather than rented like honeybees) for use with tomatos and other crops that honeybees do not work consistantly. There is a lot of interest in about a half dozen species of solitary bees as well. Some have been used a little for fruit, but we have a long way to go. One has been used a lot for alfalfa seed production. The USDA has just released a new one which is supposed to be good for southern rabbiteye blueberries and some other crops. The threats to our bees is probably a more important environmental issue than whales and pandas (though I don't begrudge the attention they get). If we do not pay attention, we are going to lose some our our foods and find others getting extremely expensive. Did you see the news this past week about American apples being sent to Japan and people snatching them up because Japanese apples had only been available for the rich. I remember seeing a photo, a few years back, of schoolchildren in the orchards hand pollinating the apples. Japan has ideal growing conditions for apples, but has very few bees, so that crop is extremely difficult and expensive to grow. Some >food< for thought. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Also posted back to talk.politics.animals) From jeffs@vnet.ibm.com Tue Jan 17 10:10:51 EST 1995 Article: 1163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!locutus.rchland.ibm.com!jeffs From: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 02:46:24 GMT Organization: GPL Lines: 44 Message-ID: <19950116.214624.155@vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) NNTP-Posting-Host: gdlvm7.endicott.ibm.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29711 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1163 In article <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, on 16 Jan 1995 22:33:12 GMT, Adam Finkelstein writes: >>jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: >> >>>There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very >>>unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is >>>pollinated by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the >>>past - always without support. > Well you're wrong. Wild fruit might be pollinated by other species, >but get your behind out to an orchard sometime during bloom and check >out the honeybees. I don't think everyone is imagining that the bees are >useful. Pollination is a much more valued beekeeping service than honey >production. Maybe you'd want to talk with some farmers, beekeepers, and >even read a little about pollination biology, ecology and management? Just how is my statement wrong? (Realize that at no point have I suggested that honey bee pollination is not useful OR widely used in fruit and vegetable production.) Other bees and other insects *do* pollinate fruit crops, the question is: how much is done by honey bees? Sue claims they are "necessary". I suggest that fruit was growing (and being "produced") in America before the honey bee arrived. According to the USDA, the benefit from honey bee pollination is somewhere in the vicinity of $10 billion annually (half the amount that Sue referenced in a previous append, but significant nonethe- less). As I know that you know, Adam, there are over 20,000 species of wild bees - some 3,500 native to North America. Some of these are much more efficient pollinators than the honey bee (50-500 times better). There's been a good deal of research into these "alternate bees" over the past few years - and the interest is growing. The reference that I'd recommend in this area is the research work of Dr Suzanne Batra of the USDA Bee Research Lab. But this is not news to you. >Adam Finkelstein Price Hall -Jeff Smith jeffs@vnet.ibm.com From bishop@eri.erinet.com Tue Jan 17 22:27:17 EST 1995 Article: 1164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.erinet.com!eri.erinet.com!not-for-mail From: bishop@eri.erinet.com (Corey Lee Bishop) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Followup-To: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jan 1995 09:48:17 -0500 Organization: EriNet Online 513 436-9915 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3fglbh$s9p@eri.erinet.com> References: <19950116.214624.155@vnet.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eri.erinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29727 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1164 Jeff Smith (jeffs@vnet.ibm.com) wrote: : In article <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, : on 16 Jan 1995 22:33:12 GMT, : Adam Finkelstein writes: : >>jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: : >> : >>>There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very : >>>unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is : >>>pollinated by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the : >>>past - always without support. : > Well you're wrong. Wild fruit might be pollinated by other species, : >but get your behind out to an orchard sometime during bloom and check : >out the honeybees. I don't think everyone is imagining that the bees are : >useful. Pollination is a much more valued beekeeping service than honey : >production. Maybe you'd want to talk with some farmers, beekeepers, and : >even read a little about pollination biology, ecology and management? : Just how is my statement wrong? (Realize that at no point have I : suggested that honey bee pollination is not useful OR widely used : in fruit and vegetable production.) Other bees and other insects : *do* pollinate fruit crops, the question is: how much is done by : honey bees? Sue claims they are "necessary". I suggest that fruit : was growing (and being "produced") in America before the honey bee : arrived. Exactly what fruits are you referring to? Bear in mind that most of our fruits and vegetables are from imported species that did not exist on this continent before Europeans came. : According to the USDA, the benefit from honey bee pollination is : somewhere in the vicinity of $10 billion annually (half the amount : that Sue referenced in a previous append, but significant nonethe- : less). : As I know that you know, Adam, there are over 20,000 species of wild : bees - some 3,500 native to North America. Some of these are much : more efficient pollinators than the honey bee (50-500 times better). : There's been a good deal of research into these "alternate bees" : over the past few years - and the interest is growing. : The reference that I'd recommend in this area is the research work : of Dr Suzanne Batra of the USDA Bee Research Lab. But this is not : news to you. : >Adam Finkelstein Price Hall : -Jeff Smith : jeffs@vnet.ibm.com From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Jan 17 22:27:18 EST 1995 Article: 1165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Followup-To: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jan 1995 23:45:49 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 83 Message-ID: <3ff0fd$f5h@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3fecn9$5q4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29738 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1165 Adam Finkelstein (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) wrote: : In article , : Bob "Another beer, please" Christ wrote: : > : >Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: : > : >: Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping : >: her wings. : > : >: Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part : >: of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here : >: at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the : >: honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support them. : Yes this is true. Some feel it is more profitable to this. I don't condone : it, but some do it. The part of the world is North of the USA usually. : In the USA honey has to have the country of origin on the label, so if you : want to, you may boycott those countries you think would be killing bees, : but you might hurt the ones you want to support. : Anyway most honey is from such huge packers. The best strategy is to support : local beekeepers who you can look in the eye. The honey is lots better too, : if produced with care. Bees require a certain amount of honey to make it through the winter - bees do not hibernate - indeed, this is essentially the purpose of honey production and storage by the bees in the first place. The actual amount needed depends on factors such as: weather conditions and length of time nectar is unavailable (i.e., length of winter) frugality of the ecotype (specific race of bee - there are many types) with respect to honey consumption number of bees in the hive (presumably there's a trade-off between heat conserved through large cluster size and honey consumed by larger than necessary cluster-size) diversity and type of floral (food) sources and...? When I kept bees in N. Virginia, I used to leave about 90 lbs of honey as winter food stores. I.e., this is what you'd leave AFTER taking some of the honey as a crop. In Philadelphia, I leave more, because its colder and the winter is a bit longer. The point is that some beekeepers in colder climates apparently find it more profitable to take ALL the honey, leaving none for the bees, since they'd apparently have to leave a huge amount in order for them to actually make it through the winter. I'm not condoning the practice or condemning it - just elaborating on Adam's response. Presumably, someone who keeps bees in these conditions will respond with a better or more thorough explanation. I've never actually met anyone who would actually kill their bees or let them starve just to get a little extra honey. Most beekeepers LIKE their bees. As long as I'm being verbose, I will point out that I'm not making my living beekeeping; although it does provide supplemental income, I do it primarily out of interest and enjoyment. If I were a commercial honey producer, depending on production for my livelihood, I MIGHT feel differently about this. But I'd like to think that I wouldn't. In otehr words, I can understand that there might be financial pressure to practice this kind of profit maximization, but presumably, these are the same pressures that gave us factory-farming, bovine growth hormone, tottering turkeys, and a host of other embarrassments. I'd second Adam's advice: buy locally-produced honey and read the labels. > : >Also.... : > : >jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: : > : >>There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very : >>unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is pollinated : >>by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always : >>without support. : Well you're wrong. Wild fruit might be pollinated by other species, : but get your behind out to an orchard sometime during bloom and check : out the honeybees. I don't think everyone is imagining that the bees are : useful. Pollination is a much more valued beekeeping service than honey : production. Maybe you'd want to talk with some farmers, beekeepers, and : even read a little about pollination biology, ecology and management? Also, you might consider remaining subscribed to this newsgroup. David J. Trickett - UPenn From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Jan 17 22:27:19 EST 1995 Article: 1166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 11:15:46 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <173299E68S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3fecn9$5q4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29758 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1166 In article <3fes78$rl9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >>: Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part >>: of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here >>: at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the >>: honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support them. > > Yes this is true. Some feel it is more profitable to this. I don't condone >it, but some do it. The part of the world is North of the USA usually. >In the USA honey has to have the country of origin on the label, so if you >want to, you may boycott those countries you think would be killing bees, >but you might hurt the ones you want to support. >Anyway most honey is from such huge packers. The best strategy is to support >local beekeepers who you can look in the eye. The honey is lots better too, >if produced with care. The practice of killing off bees in the fall and restocking the hives with packaged bees in the spring has fallen out of favor. This is due to the quarantine on imported bees implemented by the Canadian government. Prior to the closed border, northern beekeepers would manage their hives to maximize honey production, taking all they could in the fall. I'm not sure if the practice was to kill the bees after the harvest or to let them starve in the winter, but the effect was the same. The profit realized by harvesting ALL the honey was more than the cost to restock the hives with packaged bees in the spring. The Canadian government closed their borders in the mid/late 80s in an attempt to keep mites out of their country. Unfortunately the mites didn't care whether the border was closed or not and are now a problem in Canada too. However, the closed border did change the management practices in Canada, as Canadian beekeepers were no longer able to procure packaged bees to restock equipment in the spring. Hive management practices shifted from maximum harvest to attempts to overwinter existing stocks. A 'kinder, gentler' management technique was effected. Considerations have been given to reopen the border to packaged bees, but the quarantine remains in effect due this time to the fear of spreading Africanized bees. It's one thing to have a few beekeepers upset because their hives died off from mites, but it's an entirely different matter if legislators allow the African nemesis to invade their country. The potential of a media craze fueled by a single AHB stinging incident far outweighs the concern of a handful of beekeepers! So the quarantine remains in effect. For the sake of complete information and to avoid flames, the quarantine on imported bees targets bees from the USA. Canadian beekeepers are able to import bees from New Zealand, and have been doing so with mixed results. New Zealand has no problem with either mites or Africanized bees. Reports indicate that there have been mixed results with New Zealand packages north of the Canadian/US border. Speculation is that the bees are coming from a different hemisphere where the seasons are opposite. New Zealand packages that are sold to Canadian beekeepers are put up in New Zealand's fall and shipped to Canada's spring. Perhaps the mixed up seasons has a detrimental effect on the bees. This was a topic of discussion at my beekeeping club just last evening and the mixed season speculation is merely speculation, unsupported by any sort of emperical evidence. Submitted for your consideration, Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From frodo@sage.cc.purdue.edu Tue Jan 17 22:27:20 EST 1995 Article: 1167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!not-for-mail From: frodo@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Nesius) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wintering bees Date: 17 Jan 1995 14:23:40 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3fh5fs$8hb@sage.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.cc.purdue.edu Hi, I just perused the discussion on the various practices beekeepers employ in wintering their bees in the colder climates. In Northern Minnesota (near Fargo, ND), I think virutally all beekeepers try to get their bees through the winter, and do not let them die off. Those big black cardboard boxes that fit over the hives can really pay big dividends by greatly increasing the survival rate of the hive. We generally left about 100-110 pounds of honey with the bees in their two deeps. When I was running my small beekeeping business(25 hives or so) I had about an 85% survival rate. If another hive swarmed I'd kill the swarm queens before they hatched, order a new queen, and do a division. I usually increased the number of hives I had each year by this method. Now adays I no longer run the bees, and my dad doesn't have the time manage them as closely as we used to, so we leave them enough honey to make it through, but we don't go out of our way to help them out. When they swarm they usually swarm right into a nearby hive. The survival rate is not as good. I hope that answers a few questions any of you may have still had. Happy Beekeeping. :) Rob From jml@prairienet.org Tue Jan 17 22:27:21 EST 1995 Article: 1168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!jml From: jml@prairienet.org (Joan Lane) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Beekeeper Date: 17 Jan 1995 19:59:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3fh7jp$bqj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org Am I glad to find this group. I have been trying to keep bees for the last several years. They die out every winter. I have been ordering new bees each spring. What can I do to overwinter my bees? I only want one or two hives This year I am ordering bees from Blue Ridge Apiaries that are suppose to be mite resistant. Any comments on these bees? Thanks for any help. Joan From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Jan 17 22:27:22 EST 1995 Article: 1169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plant concoction for varroa mite (fwd) Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:47:59 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3fhkvf$bjf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: Darlene Scribilo Subject: plant concoction for varroa mite I am trying to locate an article published in the winter 1989/1990 issue of the Russian beekeeper magazine "Pcselovodszto" on a plant concoction against varroa. Does someone have a copy of the original article in Russian? If so, may I have a copy? Please respond to : darlene_scribilo:@lcs_system6.lcs.gov.bc.ca Many thanks. Bee hearing from you. Darlene Scribilo Richmond, B.C. Canada -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jan 18 23:35:44 EST 1995 Article: 1170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!iat.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Bee's story from a bees perspective Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 06:42:00 GMT Message-ID: <950117074026736@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 142 |-----------------|Bhatch@netcom.Com (bob "another Beer, Please" Christ)refer# >Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > >: Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping >: her wings. Well Bob, pass this on to your friend Rosemary, she could turn it into a long running tread and become one of the internets infamous environmentalists. "Give em what they want and let em foul their own nest." Abe Linclon Brown. Yes, beekeeping as practiced by some is very barbaric to say the least. Poor defenseless queen bees do have their wings clipped to prevent them from flying off to better conditions then offered by their keepers. They are also marked with paint which must cause them a great deal of discomfort and pain as the other bees spend much time chewing it off her body. Even worse then that are those who get some perverse pleasure out of artificially breeding virgin queen bees. These are usually the intellectual class found hanging out in the dark rooms and halls of out social institutes of higher learning, mostly paid for by someone else. In the sleazy countries of South America there are clubs made up of hundreds of these warped people, and video tapes have been made that they will send you in a plain package for a small price. Anyway some of these sadists take the poor completely defenseless fuzzy loveable drone bees and crush their poor bodies between their thumb and forefinger until they explode their sexual organs, and collect the suffering, dying bees sperm in a micro syringe which is forced into the sexual receptacle of a virgin queen that has been put to sleep. If ever there was a more unnatural sexual act, I have never done it, but then my only trips to university was to educate and entertain others. Many times they miss the small target and the queen dies soon after, or does not wake up, and many poor defenseless virgin queens are killed for the practice and fun of doing it. The one's that live are put in a match box size cage, with a screen top the size to allow other bees to feed her, and also other nasty tempered type bees to rip off a leg or two and inflect damage to any part of her body they can grab. If she lives through all of this and the trip to a new hive without a queen she may live another 6 months or so, if the new hives bees don't detect she is damaged and dismantle her piece by piece, after stinging her many times. >Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' honey >producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if true? It used to be the practice of many beekeepers in the colder regions of the US and other places to suffocate their bees using the same gas we use to kill people who offend us in the California judicial system, but only after we cage them for ten years, and treat them to a good life of no work, free food, education, health care and cable TV. This barbaric practice is not used as much as in the past as 500,000 hives that were once gassed off are now moved to California to pollinate almonds. I am sure this is a fluke and the 24+ million in silver paid the beekeepers to move the bees has nothing much at all to do with the need for them. Kind of an act of charity on the part of the almond farmers for the good sales job done on them by the state educational system, brain washing them into thinking they need bees and should compensate the grubby old men, seldom seen in daylight, in coveralls who brings them to them for a month or so from as far away as 1,000 to 2,000 miles away on the northern and southeastern boarders of the US. >Anyone know if 'some' kill their bees "rather than help them survive >the winter"? Some in the Canadian beekeeper tribe still gas off their bees, but they are looking for more humane methods of keeping them alive over the winter so they can work them to death the next season. Bees are treated like the lazy socialists they are. They work themselves a few weeks during the summer so as to have enough food for the winter. Some dirty old capitalist beekeepers take all the honey they made for food during the summer and kill them off so they won't eat more. A lot of other more democratic like beekeepers only take most of it, and feed the bees a little sugar water if they start to starve to death when the little food they are left runs out. Not to mention the confinement of these wild creatures of nature who would just as soon live in a cave, the under side of a freeway overpass, high in a spacious warm cavity of a 1,000 year old tree, or the eves of a barn, to a small restricted over crowded space of a man make bee hive, premeditated with the fumes of paint and dust from well traveled roads. And then their is the drugs, you name it and some beekeeper has tried it on his bees. Smoke them with it, sprayed them, fed them and gas them, to the point that when a beehive dies most beekeepers can only guess at what killed them. Mites are the most popular cause of the year. Yeh, big ugly harry vampire mites, with sharp tools to stab the poor bee and like a vampire suck out the warm blood from the living bees. And if thats not enough little ones that will crawl inside the bees and work all the way to the micro size brain and feed some more. Then the eggs of the mites hatch out in the crowded capped bee brood cell and feed on the developing bee, two, three, maybe six or more at a time. >This sounds a little bogus to me. Then again, Rosemary is the one that >tried to 'live trap' cockroachs in her apartment rather than allow the >landlord to exterminate them. (true fact!) >>There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very >>unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is >>pollinated by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always without support. > Much in life is not what it seems. True beekeepers and bees are not native to America, most of us came from European stock, and we brought our bees with us. Orchards planted in the land once in pristine condition are in such numbers, millions of acres, that wild pollinators can not do the job. Many of the verities of trees were introduced from regions of the world that do have native honeybees, so have a natural relationship with honeybees as pollinators. The effort beekeepers put into rearing bees to produce honey is taken advantage of by the farmer who does not want to put the same effort into rearing honeybees or other wild bees. This may not be the way nature intended it, but it is the way it is. If anyone knows of a better way, that will produce the billion dollars of almonds produced in California last year, the door is wide open. Most beekeepers have long ago realized they they were indispensable, but expendable just like the bees that are killed by licensed, regulated, and the legal use of pesticides. And few of us make a better living then what most would call the working poor...and for sure not the kind of living one would expect who is attending collage, or has a degree. Increase or eliminate the minimum wage, or welfare, would not make any difference to us, we never got it anyway. In defence of those who keep bees, the beekeepers. In times of war they have always been among the first to go, real gun fodder. Even in WW II, a plan was made to take all the beehives and salvage the wax >from them to keep our guns from rusting on the sea voyage to the battle front. This idea was scraped when it was discovered how much work it would be and a substitute was found in the oil fields. In the time of the great finical crisis in the US called the national debt, the beekeepers honey price support was the first government support program to be eliminated. First in War, first in peace, beekeepers are there to serve or give up. Not only our government support programs, but slowly we are lousing all bee research funds, and educational funds. Show me a cow sapper, or cotton striper who can say the same. We gave our blood at the front and gave our money at the USDA crop support office. The future of the beekeeper in the fast approaching next century may well be in the information age society. The beekeepers who can produce the most interesting books on how it was to be the last beekeepers may do OK, as even trashy books sell for more then beehives now. ttul Andy- From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Jan 18 23:35:46 EST 1995 Article: 1171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Bee's story from a bees perspective Date: 17 Jan 1995 22:01:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3fhenr$52j@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950117074026736@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf > > The future of the beekeeper in the fast approaching next century may >well be in the information age society. The beekeepers who can produce >the most interesting books on how it was to be the last beekeepers may >do OK, as even trashy books sell for more then beehives now. Nice! Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk Wed Jan 18 23:35:48 EST 1995 Article: 1172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Brian Ford") Subject: Spring meeting on BEES Message-ID: Organization: Rothay House Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:52:24 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 8 Meeting to be held at Burlington House, Piccadilly, 6-7 April 1995. I will gladly mail details if required. Brian J Ford Zoological Secretary Linnean Society. From crowther@rschp1.anu.edu.au Wed Jan 18 23:35:49 EST 1995 Article: 1173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newsmaster Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian Native Bees - How do you keep them ?? Message-ID: <3fi32g$es7@manuel.anu.edu.au> From: "Jeffrey A. Crowther" Date: 18 Jan 1995 03:48:32 GMT Organization: Australian National University NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.96.2 Lines: 14 Hi all Has anyone out there ever kept Australian Native bees?? I would like to do so but I'm not sure that they would behave in the same way in hives as other bees and given the smaller size do the same types of hives fit the purpose ??? If you've had any experience with them I'd like to know.....if you can point me to any suitable literature that would be great!! Thanks in advance Regards Jeff C. From jeffs@vnet.ibm.com Wed Jan 18 23:35:52 EST 1995 Article: 1174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!locutus.rchland.ibm.com!jeffs From: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:22:35 GMT Organization: GPL Lines: 28 Message-ID: <19950117.202235.859@vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) NNTP-Posting-Host: gdlvm7.endicott.ibm.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29830 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1174 In article <3fglbh$s9p@eri.erinet.com>, on 17 Jan 1995 09:48:17 -0500, Corey Lee Bishop writes: >Jeff Smith (jeffs@vnet.ibm.com) wrote: >: Just how is my statement wrong? (Realize that at no point have I >: suggested that honey bee pollination is not useful OR widely used >: in fruit and vegetable production.) Other bees and other insects >: *do* pollinate fruit crops, the question is: how much is done by >: honey bees? Sue claims they are "necessary". I suggest that fruit >: was growing (and being "produced") in America before the honey bee >: arrived. >Exactly what fruits are you referring to? Bear in mind that most of >our fruits and vegetables are from imported species that did not >exist on this continent before Europeans came. Well, remember that others were living off the land (hunting, gathering, and farming) before Europeans arrived. Among those items the American Indians farmed were peas, beans, corn, potatoes, squashes and the like. There were also plums and cherries growing here prior to the honey bee's arrival, as well as a plethora of berries (currents, cranberries, strawberries, raspberries, etc), various nuts (chestnuts, hazelnuts, hickory nuts), seed plants (sunflower), various grains, various melons, a variety of grapes, tomatoes, and so on. -Jeff Smith jeffs@vnet.ibm.com From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu Jan 19 09:36:53 EST 1995 Article: 1175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:30:00 GMT References: <19950117.202235.859@vnet.ibm.com> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Followup-To: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 42 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29841 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1175 : >: *do* pollinate fruit crops, the question is: how much is done by : >: honey bees? Sue claims they are "necessary". I suggest that fruit : >: was growing (and being "produced") in America before the honey bee : >: arrived. : and farming) before Europeans arrived. Among those items the American : Indians farmed were peas, beans, corn, potatoes, squashes and the like. : There were also plums and cherries growing here prior to the honey bee's : arrival, as well as a plethora of berries (currents, cranberries, : strawberries, raspberries, etc), various nuts (chestnuts, hazelnuts, : hickory nuts), seed plants (sunflower), various grains, various melons, : a variety of grapes, tomatoes, and so on. I think that it is possible to get some yield on most crops without honeybees most places. However, honeybees dramatically increase the yield at very little cost and keep the costs of production low. They can be managed and thus can ensure that crops are as large as possible. I doubt that orchard owners, seed producers and other farmers would willingly pay up to $100 per hive for an input that was in any doubt. Additionally, 'civilization' has removed quite a bit of the nesting sites and alternate forage for native pollinators. Monoculture and irrigation results in long periods without alternate forage in many locations. It also periodically requires the use of sprays which repeatedly decimate the pollinators (including honeybees sometimes). I think that in most cases the fruits and berries that were grown before the advent of the honeybee were grown in patches surrounded by wilderness and other patches with other crops. Many of our present methods of growing cheap food would be risky, or impossible without migratory beekeeping. It is partly for this reason that the movemnet of bees has been permitted, in spite of the inevitable, predictable, and costly spread of both parasitic mites that results. Thus the bees and their keepers have taken a big hit to keep America fed. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From rogerpost@delphi.com Thu Jan 19 09:36:54 EST 1995 Article: 1176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.delphi.com!rogerpost From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cat Quandary Date: 19 Jan 1995 11:16:23 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 57 Message-ID: <9501190619593.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1a.delphi.com X-To: Roger Post In article , bhatch@netcom.com (Bob "Another beer, please" Christ) writes: > > Why not ask the experts? Followups to talk.politics.animals because, > that's where all this started. > > Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > > : Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping > : her wings. > > Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' honey > producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if true? > > : Some, in cold climates, kill the bees (who are from a warmer part > : of the world) rather than help them survive the winter. Around here > : at least, if there are apiarists who treat their bees well, the > : honeys are not labelled as such so it's impossible to support them. > > Anyone know if 'some' kill their bees "rather than help them survive > the winter"? > > This sounds a little bogus to me. Then again, Rosemary is the one that > tried to 'live trap' cockroachs in her apartment rather than allow the > landlord to exterminate them. (true fact!) > > Also.... > > jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) writes: > > >There are thousands of varieties of pollinating bees. It seems very > >unlikely that "most fruit" in this country (or any other) is pollinated > >by honey bees. Sue has made this rather odd claim in the past - always > >without support. > > Anyone know the stats about this? > > > Bob > > --- > This person is currently undergoing electric shock therapy at Agnews > Developmental Center in San Jose, California. All his opinions are > static, please ignore him. > Thank you, Nurse Ratched > It is my understanding that in Alaska beekeepers often, sometimes, kill their bees in the fall and then purchase new ones in the spring. I do not know anything about blinding a queen but You can purchase clipped queens. The reason for clipping them is that if the have swarmes the bees will not leave the old queen. If she can not fly then the swarm will go no where and the beekeeper can pick her up and put her in a new hive. Of course if he is good he probabley will not let them swarm in the first place but every once in a while there is a hive that is just set on swarming and it is hard to prevent them from doing so. From olda.vancata@posnet.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:11:09 EST 1995 Article: 1183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!olda.vancata From: olda.vancata@posnet.co.uk (Olda Vancata) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen introduction Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <95012014000663@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 15 I am looking for different methods of queen-introduktion. I would be pleased for as many proposals as possible but I am specially interested in those that temporary wipe out the pheromone system of the behive ( alcohol-spray and such types). I am also looking for all litterature references. Olda Vancata --- * Origin: BiBeBeeS BBS, Skultuna, Sweden, +46 -(0)21-70757 (240:46/0) From jeffs@vnet.ibm.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:10 EST 1995 Article: 1184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!locutus.rchland.ibm.com!usenet From: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:06:48 GMT Organization: GPL Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3fon37$1crm@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gdlvm7.endicott.ibm.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29926 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1184 In article <3fmbl9$sf6@eri.erinet.com>, on 19 Jan 1995 13:39:37 -0500, Corey Lee Bishop writes: >Jeff Smith (jeffs@vnet.ibm.com) wrote: >: In article <3fglbh$s9p@eri.erinet.com>, >: on 17 Jan 1995 09:48:17 -0500, >: Corey Lee Bishop writes: >: >Jeff Smith (jeffs@vnet.ibm.com) wrote: Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) From: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) Reply-To: jeffs@vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Smith) Organization: GPL Path: jeffs Message-ID: <19950120.110648.814@vnet.ibm.com> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 15:27:26 GMT >:>: Just how is my statement wrong? (Realize that at no point have I >:>: suggested that honey bee pollination is not useful OR widely used >:>: in fruit and vegetable production.) Other bees and other insects >:>: *do* pollinate fruit crops, the question is: how much is done by >:>: honey bees? Sue claims they are "necessary". I suggest that fruit >:>: was growing (and being "produced") in America before the honey bee >:>: arrived. >:>Exactly what fruits are you referring to? Bear in mind that most of >:>our fruits and vegetables are from imported species that did not >:>exist on this continent before Europeans came. >:Well, remember that others were living off the land (hunting, >:gathering, and farming) before Europeans arrived. Among those items >:the American Indians farmed were peas, beans, corn, potatoes, squashes >:and the like. There were also plums and cherries growing here prior >:to the honey bee's arrival, as well as a plethora of berries (currents, >:cranberries, strawberries, raspberries, etc), various nuts (chestnuts, >:hazelnuts, hickory nuts), seed plants (sunflower), various grains, >:various melons, a variety of grapes, tomatoes, and so on. >Since you are against exploitation of bees, do you restrict your diets >to foods that are not mainly fertilized by honey bees? I would be surprised if anyone (vegan, AR, whatever) did this. Please indicate why you think anyone should. (Are you abandoning the issue of necessity at this point?) (Note: let's be kind with the cross-posts and keep to the appropriate newsgroup. It's reasonable enough to have this thread in sci.agri- culture.beekeeping only so long as it has some technical bearing; if you really want to discuss diet and morality, please redirect follow- ups appropriately.) >Sue -Jeff Smith jeffs@vnet.ibm.com From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:11 EST 1995 Article: 1185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Date: 20 Jan 1995 03:31:42 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3fnaqu$iru@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19950117.202235.859@vnet.ibm.com> <3fmbl9$sf6@eri.erinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29943 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1185 Corey Lee Bishop (bishop@eri.erinet.com) wrote: : Since you are against exploitation of bees, do you restrict your diets : to foods that are not mainly fertilized by honey bees? : Sue You're joking, right? This thread has been somewhat amusing - particularly the comments (if rather gruesome) by Andy - but it's beginning to become silly. If you're really this worried about this you should seriously consider finding a local beekeeper and asking if you might come and visit his/her apiary. If there's one thing I've learned about beekeeping, it's not to be too idealistic about "nature." Have you ever heard about "the massacre of the drones?" Do you know what happens to queens when they begin to fail at egg production? As for exploitation fo bees, what beekeepers are doing is exploiting the ability of bees to produce MORE honey than they can actually consume in a season (i.e., throught the winter and into the spring when nectar becomes available again). The "natural" course of things is for the bees, once they have more or less filled up the available space in the hive, to use their extra energies to produce a swarm(s) - which departs to start a new colony. Thus is the race propagated. What beekeepers do is to remove the "extra" honey and replace it with more "space." The intention is for the bees to fill that empty space with more honey - rather than produce a swarm and depart for parts unknown. Callingthis exploitation is about as ludicrous as claiming that women in the workplace are exploited because their energies are diverted >from making and raising babies. Is this exploitation? How do you define exploitation in the first place? I looked it up in my unabridged Webster's. The key point seems to hinge upon "unjust advantage." (As for my bees, nobody is forcing them to stay. They can leave anytime they wish if they think things are unfair.) Most beekeepers put a hell of a lot of time and effort into their bees. There is a very substantial literature treating THIS aspect of beekeeping. I suggest you look up and read: "The Queen Must Die - and Other Affairs of Bees and Men" by William Longgood or "A Book of Bees" by Sue Hubbell Dave Trickett Phd Program in Energy and the Enviroment UPenn From cprice@cix.compulink.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:11:12 EST 1995 Article: 1186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cat Quandary Message-ID: From: cprice@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Chris Price") Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:02:40 GMT References: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 21 bhatch@netcom.com (Bob "Another beer, please" Christ) wrote in Message-ID: :--- > > Rosemary Waigh (bp239@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: > > : Some honey producers disable the queen bee by blinding her or clipping > : her wings. > > Will someone shed some light on this issue. Do 'some' honey > producers do this? What would be gained by doing so, if true?<<<<< I don't know about blinding the queen but wing clipping is used as a swarm control: the ides is that the queen can'y fly so that when she tries to leave she falls onto the ground and dies and thus there is no queen for the swarm to follow; or she walks back to the hive and the swarm still has no queen to follow to a new place. i don't clp my queens because I'm too ham-fisted to do it well--otherwise....... Chris. From cprice@cix.compulink.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:11:13 EST 1995 Article: 1187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uknet!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Beekeeper Message-ID: From: cprice@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Chris Price") Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:02:46 GMT References: <3fh7jp$bqj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Compulink Information eXchange X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 22 jml@prairienet.org (Joan Lane) writes in Message-ID: <3fh7jp$bqj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>:-- > Am I glad to find this group. I have been trying to keep bees for the > last > several years. They die out every winter. I have been ordering new > bees each > spring. What can I do to overwinter my bees? I only want one or two > hives > This year I am ordering bees from Blue Ridge Apiaries that are suppose > to be mite resistant. Any comments on these bees? Thanks for any help. > Joan<<<<<<< Are you giving them enough winter feed? I reckon that mine should have a minimum of 20 kilograms--say 44 lbs; some strains might need more. and I check about now to feel how heavy the hive is in case they neeed a top-up feed. Secondly, are you ensuring that the hive is well ventilated? I raise my crowm board on matches at each corner which allows the warm moist air to escape in a gentle flow. Chris. From martak@umd5.umd.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:14 EST 1995 Article: 1188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!macbeth.umd.edu!martak From: "M.S.Korotynski" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A.M.WEATHER off air Feb.3! Please help! Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:35:35 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: macbeth.umd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: martak@macbeth.umd.edu To all viewers of A.M. WEATHER! Maryland Public Television decided to pull us off air effective Feb. 3, 1995. The reason: to make room for an extended edition of Bloomberg Business News. Our show has been serving the farming community for the past 16 years (!!), and was offered FREE to all PBS stations. Now, it's gone. The crew, engineers, and producer were all fired. It is a wrong decision. It serves no purpose at all, except to satisfy a couple of overgrown egos. If you would like to write about this situation (maybe there is a chance to change it) please direct your letters to: Raymond Ho President Maryland Public Television Owings Mills, MD 21117 Tel: 1-800-223-3678 FAX: 410-581-4338 Yours truly, Roman Korotynski ('former' Art Director for A.M. WEATHER) From pollinator@aol.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:16 EST 1995 Article: 1189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!pirates!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maple Syrup Houses and Bees Date: 20 Jan 1995 21:35:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3fprt8$28h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) asks: >Last year I put a hive on an organic farm. >This farm also produces maple syrup. >Starting in March the sugar house will be going >24 hours a day. >If the weather permits fly days, >will the bees seek out the syrup and become a problem? > (Maple flavored honey?) :> >Would it be wiser to move the hive now >and then put it back after? If you have warm days before any real nectar sources are available, and the sugar house is open, the bees will be a royal pain in the neck, and a lot of them will drown/cook in the evaporating pan. I've had them come in great numbers when I'm making syrup. As soon as the willows start to yield nectar, the bees will stop, but that is usually about the end of the maple flow too. Pollinator@aol.com Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Jan 27 12:11:17 EST 1995 Article: 1190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Plant concoction for varroa mite (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:43:35 GMT References: <3fhkvf$bjf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <5oy6Rfi.meaderyman@delphi.com> Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 10 : effective. He prefers oxalic acid. I told Dr. Shimanuki and Dr. Morse about the : oxalic acid but they showed no interest. Exactly how do they use the oxalic acid? Formic is used with good results, but oxalic is a solid and doesn't fume the same way as far as I know. -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA From narad@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:18 EST 1995 Article: 1191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!fido.asd.sgi.com!nudibranch!narad Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Message-ID: <3fovv1$7bp@fido.asd.sgi.com> From: narad@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad) Date: 20 Jan 1995 18:38:25 GMT References: <19950117.202235.859@vnet.ibm.com> <3fmbl9$sf6@eri.erinet.com> <3fnaqu$iru@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA NNTP-Posting-Host: nudibranch.asd.sgi.com Lines: 41 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:29981 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1191 In article <3fnaqu$iru@netnews.upenn.edu>, djt@dolphin.upenn.edu writes: > Corey Lee Bishop (bishop@eri.erinet.com) wrote: > > > : Since you are against exploitation of bees, do you restrict your diets > : to foods that are not mainly fertilized by honey bees? > > : Sue > > > You're joking, right? This thread has been somewhat amusing - > particularly the comments (if rather gruesome) by Andy - but it's > beginning to become silly. I think sue is using rectio ad absurdum here; since vegans avoid honey since "it was obtained through the exploitation of bees", she's asking if the same people are willing to enjoy the, um, fruits of bees' labor one step removed. If you buy in to the idea that it is impossible to live without some killing and/or exploitation of other critters (in other words, if you are a realist) then you decide if there is some line you don't want to cross. For some there is no line. For some the line is eating of animals. For some the line is eating of animal products (e.g. dairy, honey). Sue is asking someone who asserts that they are against the 'exploitation' of bees, if they follow it to the logical conclusion... cheers, chuck/ ----------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Narad -- diver/adventurer/engineer | | | | "The universe is full of magical things, patiently | | waiting for our wits to grow sharper." | | | | -- Eden Phillpotts | | | ----------------------------------------------------------- From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:19 EST 1995 Article: 1192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Survivor Italians Date: 21 Jan 1995 21:36:11 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3fruob$ed3@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu Summary: Queens which are resistant to varroa mites Keywords: queen survivor resistance varroa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] I noticed York's 95 catalog (just arrived in the mail) is listing "Survivor Italian" queens (surviving with respect to mites, etc.) and notes that they were a popular item last season. Anyone had any experience with these or any other queens promoted as "survivors." I'll be augmenting my (very) modest operation with as many feral swarms as possible this year in hopes of gleening whatever naturally selected resistance may be developing in the field - but am also interested in what the commercials are developing. -- Dave Trickett From bishop@eri.erinet.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:20 EST 1995 Article: 1193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.erinet.com!eri.erinet.com!not-for-mail From: bishop@eri.erinet.com (Corey Lee Bishop) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apicultural management and troll response(was Re: Cat Quandary) Followup-To: talk.politics.animals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Jan 1995 10:39:05 -0500 Organization: EriNet Online 513 436-9915 Lines: 69 Message-ID: <3ftu6p$jot@eri.erinet.com> References: <19950117.202235.859@vnet.ibm.com> <3fmbl9$sf6@eri.erinet.com> <3fnaqu$iru@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eri.erinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu talk.politics.animals:30042 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1193 David J Trickett (djt@dolphin.upenn.edu) wrote: : Corey Lee Bishop (bishop@eri.erinet.com) wrote: : : Since you are against exploitation of bees, do you restrict your diets : : to foods that are not mainly fertilized by honey bees? : : Sue : You're joking, right? This thread has been somewhat amusing - : particularly the comments (if rather gruesome) by Andy - but it's : beginning to become silly. If you're really this worried about this you : should seriously consider finding a local beekeeper and asking if you : might come and visit his/her apiary. If there's one thing I've learned : about beekeeping, it's not to be too idealistic about "nature." Have : you ever heard about "the massacre of the drones?" Do you know what : happens to queens when they begin to fail at egg production? You are misunderstanding my posting. What started this whole thread was the statement by several of the Animal Rights supporters on the Talk. Politics.Animals group that the honeybee is 'exploited' by humans and they were saying that they did not use honey as a result. I was inquiring as to their stand on eating fruit/vegetables that are produced as a result of honeybee fertilization. BTW, I have read The Queen Must Die. And my father keeps bees (as a hobby). Sue : As for exploitation fo bees, what beekeepers are doing is exploiting the : ability of bees to produce MORE honey than they can actually consume in a : season (i.e., throught the winter and into the spring when nectar becomes : available again). The "natural" course of things is for the bees, once : they have more or less filled up the available space in the hive, to use : their extra energies to produce a swarm(s) - which departs to start a new : colony. Thus is the race propagated. What beekeepers do is to remove : the "extra" honey and replace it with more "space." The intention is for : the bees to fill that empty space with more honey - rather than produce a : swarm and depart for parts unknown. : Callingthis exploitation is about as ludicrous as claiming that women in : the workplace are exploited because their energies are diverted : from making and raising babies. : Is this exploitation? How do you define exploitation in the first : place? I looked it up in my unabridged Webster's. The key point seems : to hinge upon "unjust advantage." (As for my bees, nobody is forcing : them to stay. They can leave anytime they wish if they think things are : unfair.) Most beekeepers put a hell of a lot of time and effort into : their bees. There is a very substantial literature treating THIS aspect : of beekeeping. I suggest you look up and read: : "The Queen Must Die - and Other Affairs of Bees and Men" : by William Longgood : or : "A Book of Bees" : by Sue Hubbell : Dave Trickett : Phd Program in Energy and the Enviroment : UPenn From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:11:22 EST 1995 Article: 1194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: routing the Beenet.. Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <95012216000472@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 93 hi Andy, > I see you are getting connected.. How have you > guys worked it out? its kinda complex but it seems to work.. what happens is this: 0. Steve Turner( London, U.K.) polls Ron Dixon locally for both wildnet and usenet; 1.from usenet he gets newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping (this, Adam Finkelsteins area), which is exported to Amsterdam, Holland as echomail area INTBEE. INTBEE then travels all over Europe via Beenet. 2.from wildnet he gets WN_BEE-NET ( your area..) after arriving in Amsterdam it is also forwarded into Beenet. > Are you calling UK to get internet e-mail and news > groups, plus WildNet? Steve polls me to bring us these areas. 3. I exchange Internet email via the uucp<->fidonet gate in Oregon (Randy Bush) This enables me to get both BEE-L and BOMBUS-L messages These last two are filtered here from the bulk of my netmail messages, and forwarded into Beenet as echo areas, BEEL.BIN and BOMBUS.BIN, respectively. ('read only' for now) In conclusion I guess you can say that "we're connected" ;-{) > Let me know whats going on, and hope to see some > posts from the > beekeepers in Europe soon. Lets hope they'll start using this intricate setup; I already heard several rumours that the english language still poses a barrier for many european beekeeps. The fins like to use finnish worldwide, so do the dutch and the germans.. It will take a while before they all learn some more english. I think this should answer anybodies questions about our setup. sincerely, Hugo P.S. do you still send out beetexts as messages after receipt of a suitable request ? I'd like to install that option too; please let me know which program you use for that ?! (and where to get it ) \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | | | P.O. BOX 51008 | | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:11:23 EST 1995 Article: 1195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: autoclaving AFB spores Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:17:01 GMT Message-ID: <95012216000573@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 53 hi all, Here in Holland we experienced multiple outbreaks of American Foulbrood last season. The only legal countermeasure consists of total destruction ( burning) of all infected material, incl. hives( with and without bees), tools, supplies, etc. A regular disaster for the beekeeper(s) involved. Despite these rigorous measures, AFB keeps returning; obviously our system is not at all fullproof. There are those seeking a more rational approach. One proposal is to burn just the infected colonies, but to use an autoclave ( a huge pressure cooker that heats in a damp atmosfere under elevated pressures) to disinfect equipment and/or wax. It is known that AFB spores are VERY resistant to environmental influences. What I'd like to know is if anyone has done any work on this type of disinfecting AFB spores, or if any literature references are known in this field. One solution could be to start warming up the materials to an ideal germinating temp( about 35 celcius), after which a high temp. ( 120 c.) treatment might kill off the germinated bacteria; some autoclaves can be programmed to follow such temperature trajects. Thanx for any info you can supply ! sincerely, Hugo \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | | | P.O. BOX 51008 | | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Jan 27 12:11:24 EST 1995 Article: 1196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: autoclaving AFB spores Date: 23 Jan 1995 01:32:19 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <3fv0v3$b7g@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <95012216000573@posnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: line37.nwm.mindlink.net hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) wrote: > > hi all, > > Here in Holland we experienced multiple > outbreaks of American Foulbrood last season. > The only legal countermeasure consists of > total destruction ( burning) of all infected > material, incl. hives( with and without bees), > tools, supplies, etc. A regular disaster for > the beekeeper(s) involved. > > Despite these rigorous measures, AFB keeps > returning; obviously our system is not at > all fullproof. > There are those seeking a more rational > approach. > One proposal is to burn just the infected > colonies, but to use an autoclave ( a huge > pressure cooker that heats in a damp > atmosfere under elevated pressures) to > disinfect equipment and/or wax. It is known > that AFB spores are VERY resistant to > environmental influences. What I'd like to > know is if anyone has done any work on this > type of disinfecting AFB spores, or if any > literature references are known in this > field. One solution could be to start > warming up the materials to an ideal > germinating temp( about 35 celcius), > after which a high temp. ( 120 c.) treatment > might kill off the germinated bacteria; some > autoclaves can be programmed to follow such > temperature trajects. > > Thanx for any info you can supply ! > > sincerely, Hugo > > \|/ > @ @ Hugo Veerkamp > ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- > | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | > | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | > | | P.O. BOX 51008 | > | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | > |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | > | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | > | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --- FMail 0.96â+ > * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) I have not heard of trying this, as the heat may not be enough. HOwever, I have heard of using radiation, if that is available there somewhere. From john@musicman.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:25 EST 1995 Article: 1197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!johng From: johng@garnet.msen.com (John Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Book FS Date: 24 Jan 1995 04:32:48 GMT Organization: musicman.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3g1vtg$k92$3@heifetz.msen.com> Reply-To: john@musicman.com NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Beekeeping Book FS Dadant & Sons, eds. The Hive and the Honey Bee: A New Book on Beekeeping Which Continues the Tradition of "Langstroth on the Hive and the Honeybee." Hamilton, Illinois: Dadant & Sons, 1975; Revised Edition. Hard cover, index, bibliography, photos and drawings. 740 pages, excellent condition. $12 post paid in U.S. reply email john@musicman.com -- From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Jan 27 12:11:26 EST 1995 Article: 1198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Combs Date: 24 Jan 1995 05:38:19 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3g23ob$4lq@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line21.nwm.mindlink.net I tried plastic combs last year, and was very pleased with the result, in fact I will not go back to the old wax type foundation. Several of my beekeeping buddies say its too expensive, so I wondered if anyone out there had done a financial analysis? If not are there some of you interested in putting our heads together and working out this thing. As I am an amateur beekeeper, like 8 hive in my backyard, but with 10 years experience, I dopn't appreciate a lot of work. The plastic foundation I tried worked great to replace old foundation blackened with age. It snapped into the wood frames just fine, but hey, no wiring and all that. Sure it was a job to clean the old frames so that the foundation could be put into the slots, but that's life. It might have been easier to build new frames and put the foundaion into them. I also tried the one piece plastic frames, both deep and Dadant sizes, with great results. I didn't use the wax coated ones, which in hindsight, would have been better to do. I am going to melt some of my wax down, and apply a thin coat with a fine brush to those as yet unsued. However, I found that a strong hive during a honey flow will treat the plastic combs fine. Don't try them otherwise unless they are wax coated. I found the Dadant size ones seemed to be accepted very well during a honey flow too. In both cases, but much better with the Dadant sizes, the comb building was great, the final product very smooth, and uncapping a pleasure. Also, no bulged foundation with high speed extracting. I did have some comb-foundation seperation though, but not serious. Post replies please, or e-mail me at From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:27 EST 1995 Article: 1200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Combs Date: 24 Jan 1995 10:57:50 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3g2mfe$1eg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3g23ob$4lq@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Regarding plastic foundation: If you are commercial and turn in your wax for foundation, wax foundation is relatively inexpensive, easy to use and if by chance you get brood disease, easy to destroy or melt down. Plastic foundation is more expensive, easy to use and a problem if you have brood disease. Working with wax foundation is not difficult if you have the proper tools and time your frame- making well. Some beekeepers could make up ten hives with the bees on the back of their truck by lunch time, others have ten colonies as their total operation. I have around 60 - 70 for queen rearing and I'll always use crimp wired foundation. I'm trying to go all medium depth (Illinois) as well. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From jpetheri@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca Fri Jan 27 12:11:28 EST 1995 Article: 1201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!storm!cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca!jpetheri Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maple Syrup Houses and Bees Message-ID: From: jpetheri@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca (J PETHERICK - OCCUP HEALTH) Date: 23 Jan 1995 22:37:08 GMT Sender: news@storm.LakeheadU.Ca References: Distribution: na Organization: Lakehead University Lines: 32 In article mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) writes: >Last year I put a hive on an organic farm. >This farm also produces maple syrup. >Starting in March the sugar house will be going >24 hours a day. >If the weather permits fly days, >will the bees seek out the syrup and become a problem? > (Maple flavored honey?) :> >Would it be wiser to move the hive now >and then put it back after? Well, speaking from my experience with my father's bees and maple syrup operation: No, they won't be a problem - unless your hive is right beside the sugar shack. If the daytime temperature goes high enough to allow bees to fly, the sap run usually stops. Even if they do start to fly, it's usually simply cleansing flights. During the past seven years, I've never seen any bees around the sugar shack or in any of the sap pails. The hives are located about 400 yds from the sugar shack at about treetop level (my father built a platform to keep the hives away from bears, allow him to carry supers directly into second floor of barn and provide enough light, air, etc). The bees sometimes can be a nuisance during washing up, though - since this is usually when warm enough for flights, the sap run having gone "buddy" or stopped. John Petherick, Lakehead University From meaderyman@delphi.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:29 EST 1995 Article: 1202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plant concoction for varroa mite (fwd) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 22:51:39 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3fhkvf$bjf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <5oy6Rfi.meaderyman@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1c.delphi.com X-To: Allen Dick 546-2588 Allen Dick 546-2588 writes: >Exactly how do they use the oxalic acid? Formic is used with good >results, but oxalic is a solid and doesn't fume the same way as far as I >know. They put it into solution and spray it directly on the bees - takes 3-4 minutes per hive. they can't be getting a very complete kill unless they are doing it in a broodless period. Oxalic is natrally occuring in the Sorrel plant and can be quite poisonous - so don't try it on a hive you are not willing to lose. they use a 10 percent solution but then there oxalic acid might not be the same concentration as ours. From steve.mercer@network.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:31 EST 1995 Article: 1203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!winternet.com!news2.mr.net!mr.net!msc.edu!network.com!news From: steve.mercer@network.com (Steve E. Mercer) Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Message-ID: Sender: news@network.com Reply-To: steve.mercer@network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation References: <3f73kt$8ko@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 23:39:14 GMT Lines: 29 In article 8ko@solaris.cc.vt.edu, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ >1/12/94 > This is FAQ #7 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. ... > * Mead lovers list: > mead-lovers-request@eklektix.com mead mailing list (subscribe, unsubscribe > etc) mead-lovers@eklektix.com (to send message to all current mead-lover > subscribers) The address for the Mead lovers list has recently changed. The new information is: # NOTE: Digest only appears when there is enough material to send one. # Send ONLY articles for the digest to mead@talisman.com. # Use mead-request@talisman.com for [un]subscribe/admin requests. When # subscribing, please include name and email address in body of message. # Digest archives and FAQ are available for anonymous ftp at ftp.stanford.edu # in pub/clubs/homebrew/mead. --- Steve Mercer steve.mercer@network.com From kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:34 EST 1995 Article: 1204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!bunter.dartmouth.edu!kac From: kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu (Keith Cutting) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 20:10:53 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: webster.dartmouth.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am interested in informaton on swarming. Personal experiences, research, general opinions, ect. I have been volunteered to discuss this subject at our Associations spring "bee school". Anything that could be shared would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Keith.Cutting@Dartmouth.edu From kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:35 EST 1995 Article: 1205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!bunter.dartmouth.edu!kac From: kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu (Keith Cutting) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarming Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 20:18:05 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: webster.dartmouth.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am interested in informaton on swarming. Personal experiences, research, general opinions, ect. I have been volunteered to discuss this subject at our Associations spring "bee school". Anything that could be shared would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Keith.Cutting@Dartmouth.edu From crumley@heechee.trinet.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:36 EST 1995 Article: 1206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!jabba.cybernetics.net!heechee.trinet.com!crumley From: crumley@heechee.trinet.com (Steve Crumley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarming Date: 25 Jan 1995 23:05:54 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3g6lgi$o47@jabba.cybernetics.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: heechee.trinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Keith Cutting (kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu) wrote: > I am interested in informaton on swarming. Personal experiences, research, > general opinions, ect. I have been volunteered to discuss this subject at our > Associations spring "bee school". Anything that could be shared would be > appreciated. Thanks in advance > Keith.Cutting@Dartmouth.edu Here is the short version of my limited experence with swarms. I just started beekeeping in North Carolina with one hive. It got off to a pretty good start and filled a ~10 inch chamber with brood and another with honey during the first summer. I wasn't sure how much it would need to eat that first winter so I often had an entrance feeder full of syrup (whenever the temp was > 40F) I was very busy this spring and wasn't sure how warm it needed to be before I opened the hive so I let it go until Easter. Well, you guessed it, they swarmed. Over a two week period I saw that hive swarm THREE TIMES. I managed to capture two of the swarms and now I know more than I did last year. I still harvested 50 pounds of honey this year. I can't wait to see what happens next year. -Steve From sjames@henson.cc.wwu.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:37 EST 1995 Article: 1207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!henson!sjames From: sjames@henson.cc.wwu.edu (stephen james) Subject: Honey Punch Message-ID: <1995Jan26.162011.13938@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Summary: Honey Punch Organization: Western Washington University Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:20:11 GMT Lines: 4 Anyone tried the Hackler Honey Punch? Any good? Steve James From jlks@u.washington.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:38 EST 1995 Article: 1208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Six super winter!? Date: 23 Jan 1995 20:45:13 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer11.u.washington.edu The balmy weather we've been enjoying up here in the Pacific Northwest allowed me to get into the hives this past weekend and see how they've been doing. Sadly, one of the two hives did not make it. I am not too surprised, as they were pretty weak going into the fall, and though I left them heavy stores on which to feed, I think they probably simply didn't have the numbers to resist the cold. So, it brings me to my question: One dead hive, with 2 or 2 1/2 supers of honey stored up: what do I do with the honey? I stacked it on the other hive (for whom I also left 2 1/2 supers of honey in the fall), so I now have a six super high stack of wintering bees. The question: is this a problem? Will the space freak them out or allow too much heat loss? Thanks for the advice... Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jan 27 12:11:39 EST 1995 Article: 1209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!ames!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Punch Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:55:00 GMT Message-ID: <950126204112773@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 21 |-----------------|Sjames@henson.Cc.Wwu.Edu (stephen James)refer#: None wrote: >From: sjames@henson.cc.wwu.edu (stephen james) >Subject: Honey Punch >Organization: Western Washington University >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:20:11 GMT > >Anyone tried the Hackler Honey Punch? Any good? > |-------------------------------------| I'll byte Steve, whats the "Hackler Honey Punch"? You might say this question has Sunday punched me. ttul Andy- - ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì Wild Bee's BBS ì”ì Beekeeping Information Service BBS 209/826-8107 28.8 bd INTERNET: Andy.Nachbaur@BEENET.COM - ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jan 27 12:11:41 EST 1995 Article: 1210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Punch Date: 26 Jan 1995 17:46:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3g8n4q$be0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jan26.162011.13938@henson.cc.wwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <1995Jan26.162011.13938@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, stephen james wrote: >Anyone tried the Hackler Honey Punch? Any good? More information please...! Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From tsponheim@accessone.com Sat Jan 28 22:36:21 EST 1995 Article: 1211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulm1.accessone.com!usenet From: Tom Sponheim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason bees Date: 28 Jan 1995 01:43:48 GMT Organization: AccessOne an Internet Service Provider Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3gc7gk$nhq@pulm1.accessone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsponheim.accessone.com I'm a big fan of mason bees. I've got a couple hundred holes that they filled in last year and now I'm wondering if anyone else has cultivated them. >From what I can tell, they really come out early and start pollenating. I'm wondering if there is any danger in mailing them to other parts of the US. I don't want to upset any eco-balance. I collected them >from the wild here in Seattle. Also, I'd like to know if they will recolonize the holes that they are about to come out of this spring. And finally, does anyone know if there is any info on them on the net? From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 28 22:36:22 EST 1995 Article: 1212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeepers quiz Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <950127165907774@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 24 Beekeepers Quiz What color is an orange? What is Peter Pans fairy's name? How many hairs on a bee's leg? How many feathers on a bird? [PAGE DOWN when done] If you can answer the first two and not the last two you know too much about fruits and fairies and not enough about the birds and the bees. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 28 22:36:23 EST 1995 Article: 1213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cape Honeybees Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <950127165907775@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 110 * off the B-list * ---------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:25:16 GMT+2 From: MIKE ALLSOPP Subject: Re: Cape Honeybees Greetings, Allen Dick responded to my post "Re:Bee Introductions/Cape Honeybees" with the following: < I'm not familiar with the mechanism by which the capensis overrun < the honeybees. In a few words, could you elaborate please? With pleasure, but it takes more than a few words. As follows: To start with, something on the Cape Honeybee (capensis). It is reasonably gentle, a grey-black bee, a good producer and fairly temperature tolerant. All good characteristics and for that reason there have been a number of suggestions that capensis be introduced for commercial production in other parts of the world (Israel, USA, Mauritius). [Hence my question - does anyone know of capensis introduced into the Americas]. But capensis are terrible if you put them with other bees, simply because of certain unique attributes exhibited by capensis. [Which make them irresistable to scientists; anyone know of introductions to the Americas for study purposes]. It is these unique attributes that have resulted in capensis overrunning African honeybees (scutellata) in South Africa. We don't know all the details, but the general scenario goes as follows: 1. A capensis colony is placed by a beekeeper in an apiary containing scutellata colonies. Or a capensis swarm moves into the apiary. Or a scutellata queen mates with some capensis drones on her mating flight, thereby introducing capensis genes into the apiary. In the last case the resultant hybrid workers behave much the same as do pure capensis workers. 2. Once the capensis workers are in the apiary, by natural drift (getting lost!) they get into all the other colonies, even if only in very small numbers. [It probably only needs a half-dozen or so]. In the case of the hybrid workers, they are already in a colony with a scutellata queen. 3. Capensis queens can control (inhibit) capensis workers; scutellata queens cannot. In a colony headed by a scutellata queen, there is a pheromonal release as regards the capensis or hybrid workers. They start developing chemically and physiologically; soon they have very queenlike pheromonal signals and developed ovaries. 4. Somehow the scutellata queen is lost; either the capensis workers kill her or (I think) the scutellata workers get rid of her. 5. There might be an attempt by the scutellata workers to rear queen cells; if so these cells are eliminated by he capensis workers. The capensis workers assume reproductive control in the colony, lay eggs and produce brood. For the most part, the scutellata workers do not contribute reproductively, and rather treat the capensis workers as "false queens". 6. Because capensis workers produce parthenogenetically all brood produced by these workers will be female. That is, they do not produce drones like the laying workers of other bee races, but rather they produce workers (or a new queen, if they should so choose). So they produce more a more capensis brood, and more capensis workers, which in turn produce capensis workers. The colony rapidly becomes capensis. 7. The problem with these capensis laying worker colonies is that all the workers think they are queens. All (most) of the workers lay eggs, but there is less and less foraging. They consume all their stores, and soon there are thousands upon thousands of eggs in the colony (up to 50 per cell) but no larvae because there is no pollen to feed larvae. 8. The colony gets weaker and weaker, and soon down to 1 or 2 frames of bees. Then one of three things happen. (a) it absconds (and then, who knows what?) (b) it rears a capensis queen and goes back to a queenright phase (c) it dies out In the case of our situation in South Africa, (a) and (c) seem to be the most common. The whole process from the first drifting of the capensis to the end of the colony takes from 2-6 months. In summary, capensis are sweet bees but don't put them with other races. Since this problem started in 1990, at least 75000 commercial scutellata have been eliminated by capensis. And a further 54000 colonies which were capensis infected were killed in an effort to stop the spread. Which did not work, and we still have a major problem. Hope that answers your query. Cheers Mike MIKE ALLSOPP HONEYBEE RESEARCH DIVISION PLANT PROTECTION RESEARCH INSTITUTE P/BAG X5017, STELLENBOSCH, 7599 SOUTH AFRICA INTERNET : PPRIMA@PLANT1.AGRIC.ZA TELEFAX : (021) 883-3285 TELEPHONE: (021) 887-4690/1 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 28 22:36:24 EST 1995 Article: 1214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 40 AND COUNTING Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 04:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <950128074552777@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 111 ---------------------------------------- 40 BEE SEASONS AGO AND COUNTING 40 years ago I started with bees by buying a 3# package of Bee's from Sears & Roebuck for $5.75 which included the postage which was 67 cents. I almost purchased a gallon of lady bugs, but instead I went for the bee's, I was intrigued by the mechanization of it all. Those early years were great, I soon found my first job, $35.00 a week seasonable employment with a local family of good migratory beekeepers that developed into a life style and a continuing lifetime of learning experiences. There is much good, much love for what is good, more good then bad to being a beekeeper, but enough bad to make a few into cynics. Some say cynics are similar as people who are depressed, a real disease, but I don't agree as I am afflicted with both. Depression can be controlled, but the cynicism is learned, no person is born a cynic, you learn it from the realities of your life's experiences. A few cynic's are a value to society because they may be true realists. More on that another time, as what I want to report is the latest and newest trend in public relations as reported by the news media about beekeeping and beekeepers. For years we as a group of people with similar interest have gone through cycles of so called "news" reporting about our industry and ourselves. Some of these stories have been very informative, most have been poorly done, in my opinion, as to their factual content. They never the less have reflected beekeepers answers to inquiry, beekeepers attempts at PR, and for sure have influenced public opinion and are reflective as history as they are part of the written record of our industry, accurate or not. A condensed list of some of the topics the last 40 years. 1. Pesticides and their effects on Bees. 2. Environmental concerns of pesticides and Bees 3. Bee's and the public welfare. (killer bees) 4. Bee Pests and their effect on bees. In the future as time permits I will have much to say about all these cycles of beekeeping information and its effects and costs to beekeepers, and to me, but the point of todays note is to add a new topic and one that is not unexpected but still to even a cynical old beekeeper a topic that may express in real terms a observation I made and expressed years ago about beekeepers in general. "The Bee Industry Suffers from the Silver Bullet Complex" and has "A Death Wish". Now thats real cynical things for anyone to say in polite company, but its stark reality when compared with todays events, loss of government supports, potential for the biggest crop of honey in US History, depredation of bees by disease and pests and the new topic of news reports: 5. Exodus of Beekeepers from keeping bees. This week I read, heard, and saw reports of and from beekeepers who are going out of business. Nothing new you say, right, but something that has never been been used by the media as the subject of the nightly news, warning by beekeepers yes, but never really taken serious as beekeepers come and go all the time. Only time will tell if these kind of stories will replace the "killer bee", mite attacks, and so on. Well, I lied a little because if I had started in beekeeping twenty years earlier I would know that there was at least one other time in which beekeepers left beekeeping in the early part of this century prior to WW II. At least one was due to a collapse of the Honey Market, again mostly due to the way beekeepers in the West sold honey. Shipping it on consignment to eastern markets. The market could not pay the fright and beekeepers here in California walked away from their bees until WW II when the market came back because of the lack of sugar. Then came the supplemental income from pollination rentals, more beekeeper interest, government programs, and them movement of supplemental pollination income to the place it is today. Is it all coming to a end? Well I don't think so, I don't want to think so, I hope not, death should be the only thing between beekeeping here on earth and vacationing with the Lord in heaven. But having no silver bullet, no death wish, and no fortune teller's glass ball, I can only guess we as an industry are in for some changes and maybe some rude awakening and rearrangements. Maybe I want you to bee aware of what could happen. But you say "I am only a hobbyist beekeeper", true most beekeepers are hobby beekeepers or start out as hobbyists, I did. The future of the industry may depend much on the hobbyist as it always has in the past, and how he solves the number one problem of all beekeepers today, keeping your bee's alive. You say your bees died and you purchased more. Thats fine as long as the guy you purchased them from is still in business. Or maybe its all because here in California the opportunity for a bumper crop only comes two or three times in a lifetime. We are getting the rains of a lifetime. A few people are suffering, some have died, for that I am sorry, but the grass has never been greener, flowers the likes that few in beekeeping today have ever seen may soon be blooming. Honey crops measured in the hundreds of pounds per hive are possible. Swarms on every fence post, wax cappings up to one's rear end, extractors going night and day, and sticky, so sticky you could press your clothes each days end to recover the honey. Spring crops, summer crops, fall crops with no dearth's in between and a better start on next year. Fence post honey, rock pile honey, honey from sources no beekeepers has any idea about the name, condition, or where the flowers are, or the time and energy to look for them . These things I have seen, these thing I want to see again, I need to see one more time...but my bees are dead. [more later] ttul Andy- (c) Permission to reproduce, granted. Written opinions are not necessarily fact. Check your facts before expressing opinions. ----30----30---- From dryan@pinot.callamer.com Sat Jan 28 22:36:25 EST 1995 Article: 1215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!clue.callamer.com!pinot.callamer.com!dryan From: dryan@pinot.callamer.com (Diller Ryan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 28 Jan 1995 17:22:29 GMT Organization: SLONET Regional Information Access Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinot.callamer.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jordan Schwartz (jlks@u.washington.edu) wrote: : Sadly, one of the two hives did not make it. I am not too : surprised, as they were pretty weak going into the fall, and though I : left them heavy stores on which to feed, I think they probably simply : didn't have the numbers to resist the cold. : I stacked it on the other : hive (for whom I also left 2 1/2 supers of honey in the fall), so I now Here's a scary thought: Perhaps the hive was killed by Varroa, and you just comtaminated the second hive. Some Apistan may be in order. Do you have a Varroa problem up there? It's a killer in central California. Diller From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sat Jan 28 22:36:25 EST 1995 Article: 1216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!line12.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 28 Jan 1995 23:42:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line12.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ In article <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > The balmy weather we've been enjoying up here in the Pacific Northwest > allowed me to get into the hives this past weekend and see how they've > been doing. Sadly, one of the two hives did not make it. I am not too > surprised, as they were pretty weak going into the fall, and though I > left them heavy stores on which to feed, I think they probably simply > didn't have the numbers to resist the cold. > > So, it brings me to my question: One dead hive, with 2 or 2 1/2 supers of > honey stored up: what do I do with the honey? I stacked it on the other > hive (for whom I also left 2 1/2 supers of honey in the fall), so I now > have a six super high stack of wintering bees. The question: is this a > problem? Will the space freak them out or allow too much heat loss? > > Thanks for the advice... > > Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington > JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html My suggestion is that you keep the extra honey indoors for the next few weeks. You might try feeding sugar syrup with antibiotics to the surviving hive, to build them up and initiate brood rearing, then by about May you can likely do a split with a new queen and be ready to go into the season with two hives. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jan 29 17:11:18 EST 1995 Article: 1217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey queen Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950129132505784@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 62 ---------------------------------------- ÕÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ͸ I tried to dload honieqn.zip to use at a local bee meeting but the password leaves me to believe that maybe I am not old enough to see this file. Please advise this old beekeeper. Call you next week. ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Hello Jim! The password is "HONEY". The kids on the bbs have tried everything else but that. This is the kind of thing I would pull out of my hat at a national meeting, after spending 15 minutes lecturing everyone about the evils of pornography and 5 warning all under the age of 12, or those easily offended by anatomically correct art to close their eyes. I then would have the 110% attention of everyone in the room, the young, the old, the pious, and then I would sock it to them. The world is lucky I am not in the honey packing business, because I would not hesitate to use a little clean sex and some not so clean to promote the use of honey. Hope you have as much fun with it as I would, you are old enough, and will be remembered for generations by your fellow beekeepers. Having fun brings to mind some things I did in the past. ONe year when Honey Queens were a big deal in California our area would spend much effort and time finding a qualified candidate and because of the politics that always enters into these kind of things we never had a chance of winning. After a few years and much work on the part of beekeepers wives they tired of it all knowing no matter what, we could never win. Us local guys were putting up the bulk of the money for the California Queen contest win or lose, (those were better days). So one day a group of us were sitting in the local coffee shop engaged in deep debate of what to do since the women wanted no part of the contest knowing they would lose. I came up with a plan I had been working on for years. Why not get some young lady with 100% personally and real sex appeal, off the street, just like the cute waitress in the coffee shop. She would make any bull dog bust his chain and we all enjoyed having her wait on us. I am sure you know what I mean. Anyway I just called her over as asked her right out, and because she had the personalty to go with her God given natural beauty she said Yes... We did not win, but a blind man could see she was the most qualified, our local ladies coached her on cooking with honey and the like. She would have been one of the best National Honey Queens we have ever had. That was the last year for the "politically correct" California State Honey Committee chair person, and it was the most fun we guys had with a Honey Queen Contest. Hope all is well with you, and your bees are in good shape. We are looking forward to one of the best years this century, I hope, since we need it real bad. ttul Andy- BTW: I am going to open a File Area for Cooking with Honey and I need to start collecting recipes, hints, and the like. If you have anything I would appreciate adding it to the collection. From moroney@world.std.com Mon Jan 30 20:10:04 EST 1995 Article: 1218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 04:23:05 GMT Lines: 16 In article <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > So, it brings me to my question: One dead hive, with 2 or 2 1/2 supers of > honey stored up: what do I do with the honey? I stacked it on the other > hive (for whom I also left 2 1/2 supers of honey in the fall), so I now > have a six super high stack of wintering bees. The question: is this a > problem? Will the space freak them out or allow too much heat loss? Why don't you do what you're supposed to do with the honey? Harvest it and eat/sell/give it away! :-) :-) Note that as spring arrives the cluster will tend to move "upstairs" and the queen will start laying up there, so you'll have to deal with brood in your honey supers. -Mike From jlks@u.washington.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:06 EST 1995 Article: 1219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 30 Jan 1995 00:08:29 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ghalt$e1i@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer13.u.washington.edu dryan@pinot.callamer.com (Diller Ryan) writes: >Here's a scary thought: Perhaps the hive was killed by Varroa, and you just >comtaminated the second hive. Some Apistan may be in order. >Do you have a Varroa problem up there? It's a killer in central California. I spent a while going through my book trying to figure out what did them in before I settled in on simple cold. I had apistan in there, so I don't think this did it, and there didn't seem to be any signs of foulbrood or the other common killers. In any case, with the hives right next to each other, I couldn't imagine one having something that the other didn't...Thanks for the warning though: its a good point. Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:07 EST 1995 Article: 1220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 30 Jan 1995 01:33:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3ghfkh$ke4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> <3ghalt$e1i@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Varroa is found only on bees or in brood. If there were some mites in the honey supers, or bees with mites on them, you could transfer the mites to the other hive, but if there was only sealed honey, varroa transferring over shouldn't be a problem. Sometimes bees just don't over - winter. :( Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:08 EST 1995 Article: 1221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip1-30.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB spores and autoclaving Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 04:11:12 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 28 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip1-30.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Although only an armchair beekeeper, whatever that is (I have no hives), I am a microbiologist. It is my understanding that the standards for autoclaving bacteriological media are based on the ability of Bacillus stearothermophilis to withstand high temperatures. This spore-former is very resistant to heat, and at least it used to be considered the most resistant to high temperatures, although I think some other exotic thermophilic Bacillus spp. now have that claim. According to the Methods for General and Molecular Bacteriology (American Society for Microbiology), autoclaving for 15 min. at 121 deg. C and 15 pounds of pressure will give you only a 1 in a million probablility of a viable B. stearothemophilis spore surviving. Most people I know use about 20 min. Assuming that B. larvae is not more temperature resistant than B. stearothermophilis, you might be able to get away with autoclaving, with the following consideration. When sterilizing media, it is assumed that the load of spores is not very high. When attempting to sterilize a hive infected with AFB, the load may be considerable. The whole process of autoclaving for sterility is statistical in nature, so it is probable that a high spore load autoclaved for 20 min would still have some viable spores,while a low spore load would be sterile. It sounds like an interesting thing to study, in the meantime. Anybody wanna give me a grant? Dave Stamper Department of Microbiology (grad student, not yet PhD) Ohio State University From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Mon Jan 30 20:10:10 EST 1995 Article: 1222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: American foulbrood Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:31:01 GMT Message-ID: <95013005000592@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 54 hi Allen, > There is to my knowledge, no good reason why infected > wax should not > be rendered and saved. Although the spores are not > killed in the process, > experiments have shown that there is no risk of > infection from the wax, Are there scientific articles about these experiments? please tell me the references, 'cause I have a feeling people here are not gonna believe that wax with spores can be recycled, unlress they can read it in a scientific article This discussion also applies to autoclaving the AFB spores ( a leading European bee scientist, Job van Praagh, told me yesterday that some spores cannot be reached by the hot water vapours, as they are covered w. propolis etc..; if they are covered, would they not also be harmless to the bees just like the spores in wax ?) So if we could autoclave the spores that are accessible to both bees and vaspour, we'd be ready.. ? > even if used for foundation. > The largest problem is to ensure that the wax combs, > honey etc are > kept from bee access until rendered. > There is a lot of valuable wax in a box of combs. sincerely, Hugo \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | | | P.O. BOX 51008 | | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Mon Jan 30 20:10:11 EST 1995 Article: 1223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: autoclaving AFB spores Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:37:02 GMT Message-ID: <95013005000693@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 39 hi Bill, thanx for your reply! > I have not heard of trying this, as the heat may not > be enough. HOwever, I hav > of using radiation, if that is available there > somewhere. It is, but seems to be too expensive to utilise on a routinre basis. ( the providing company tries to make a good buck out of it as well..) Do you have references available about irradiation of beehives? sincerely, Hugo \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | | | P.O. BOX 51008 | | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 > * Origin: Internet (2:254/236.0) --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From bird@ace.acadiau.ca Mon Jan 30 20:10:16 EST 1995 Article: 1224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!ell217.acadiau.ca!bird From: bird@ace.acadiau.ca (AVRIL BIRD) Subject: 2 questions Message-ID: Lines: 22 Sender: news@relay.acadiau.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: ell217.acadiau.ca Organization: Acadia University Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:54:12 GMT Lines: 22 I am posting this for my Father-in-Law (please bear in mind that he barely knows what a computer is so his questions may seem a little weirdly phrased). "Hi. One of the requirements of a bee keeping operation is the availability of queen bees. A 40 hive operation, as a hobby, is no different. Hives die and new starter hives (nucs) have to be made. Replacement of old queens gives new genes to a dwindling hive. Can anyone pass on information about the miller method of queen raising?" "Beekeeping can be fun but not always in the winter, and why is asked? The answer is survival rate. A 40 hive operation with a survival rate of 85% can be costly. Try 50% for the last two years. Somewhere around $1000 to $1500 to replace these with no chance to increase to a greater number. I am considering overwintering bees inside a building with fan systems and a temp. of 4-7 degrees C. Anyone with any experiences?" Thanks, Avril Bird for Norman Bird Wolfville, Nova Scotia From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:17 EST 1995 Article: 1225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!paladin.american.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Six super winter!? Date: 30 Jan 1995 13:38:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3giq55$56h@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] According to the books, you can get a "chimney effect" (with regard to heat loss) if you have too many supers on a hive. A few years ago I had a similar situation, except that it had come about not with hive mortality but with an exceptionally strong fall honeyflow. I just left the extra supers on the hive. The only drawback I noted was that the bottoms of one of the supers ended up with a few wax moth larvae. My theory is that even though the hive was a strong one, some moths got in and layed their eggs there, and because the supers were the lowest of the set (i.e., they were right on top of the hive bodies) there were a few rows of open cells which had been used for brood rearing. Second, because these supers were already filled and capped with honey, the bees didn't really pay much attention to them, except to walk by them on the way to the supers they were fiilling above... I've never seen any wax moth larvae in any of my other combs, and only noticed these when I got araound to extracting that June. I didn't extract that extra honey the prior fall because my equipment is in the basement and it would just have been too difficult in a cool/cold room (due to the greater viscuity of the honey). Maybe you can use these extra's to feed some splits this spring.... -- Dave Trickett From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:17 EST 1995 Article: 1226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB spores and autoclaving Date: 30 Jan 1995 13:35:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3gipv3$plt@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Has anyone browsed the new edition of _The Hive and The Honeybee_ for information on AFB spores in rendered wax? There might be something in there. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:18 EST 1995 Article: 1227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB & The Hive and the Honeybee Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:18:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3gisg5$56h@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] In the 1992 hardback edition all I found was the following (on p. 689): "Slumgum from efficient wax extraction devices (devices using hot water, steam, and pressure) will destroy American foulbrood stores; however, slumgum from solar wax melters may still contain viable spores. Though it is not attractive to bees, slumgum from solar melters should be destroyed." There are also some references to works in the 50s and 60s regarding treatment by irradiation (using Cobalt-60), and a warning not to use sweetened water - from honey-bearing wax that has been separated from the honey by melting the combs in hot water (150 degrees F.) - if the source hives had an AFB problem. -- Dave Trickett From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Jan 30 20:10:19 EST 1995 Article: 1228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB spores and autoclaving Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:46:28 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <17336978CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3gipv3$plt@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3gipv3$plt@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: > > Has anyone browsed the new edition of _The Hive and The Honeybee_ for >information on AFB spores in rendered wax? There might be something in >there. As a matter of fact, I did spend some time researching the American Foulbrood issue, looking for a definitive answer to the questions raised by the assertion that bees cannot 'catch' AFB from foundation that was rendered from wax coming from diseased hives. The only source I used was "The Hive and the Honeybee", Dadant publications, 1992 edition. It was easier for me to research in the comfort of my living room that to go off to the library. I'll readily admit that I'm as lazy as the next guy. Although I did not find the answer I sought, I did learn, or at least refreshed my memory on, a number of AFB related issues. Interesting tidbits that I picked up deal mainly with the life cycle of AFB as it relates and interacts with the life cycle of Apis meliffera. Discussions on sci.ag.bees touched on the number of AFB spores needed to infect a hive, the window of vulnerability for Apis meliffera larvae to become infected, and the temperature at which AFB spores are killed. The first two items (how many spores does it take to infect a larva) varies with the age of the larva. The weak link in the chain is at day one of the larval stage, where a single AFB spore can infect the larva. At a day and a half, it takes 35 spores to infect and kill half of the test cases. After 53 hours the larva is not effected by AFB spores. I never came across a quote of the fatal temperature for AFB spores. The closest I came to a figure was that 80 degrees celsius will kill nonspore producing bacteria, but no figure was given for spore producing bacteria or spores themselves (although David Stamper states in his post on autoclaving that fatal temps are in the 120 deg C. ballpark under 15 lbs. of pressure - thanks David, sorry no grant $$$ to give). Now, the melting temp for beeswax is 149 deg. F, (below the fatal temperature for nonspore producing bacteria) so one can conclude that the temperatures involved in rendering wax are NOT sufficient to kill AFB spores. However, following a good rule of thumb ("When in doubt ask someone in the know"), I call my local Dadant distributor and ran the numbers by him. He assured me that wax rendering temperatures are sufficiently high enough to kill off AFB spores and guaranteed (verbally) that AFB cannot be passed on through foundation. Although this does not quote any emperical studies, it is somewhat reassuring. The most doubtful Thomas should ask, "At what temperature is wax rendered", but I didn't ask that specifically. As always, caveat emptor. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz Mon Jan 30 20:10:21 EST 1995 Article: 1229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!NewsWatcher!user From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:18:11 +1200 Organization: School of Music University of Auckland Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.90.127 In article , moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > In article <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, > jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > > so I now > > have a six super high stack of wintering bees. The question: is this a > > problem? Will the space freak them out or allow too much heat loss? > > Note that as spring arrives the cluster will tend to move "upstairs" and > the queen will start laying up there, so you'll have to deal with brood in > your honey supers. Our winters aren't as cold as yours so this may not work for you, but to cover both those problems I put a "hive mat" between the top of the brood boxes and the honey. This "hive mat" is a sheet of 3/16 hardboard rebated into a wooden rim about a half inch thick with a hole one inch diameter in the middle. Stops the "chimney effect", keeps the bees warm in the bottom boxes, but the field bees can move up to the stores easily at any time. In maybe one hive in ten the cluster may decide to all move upstairs, but this can easily be sorted out in the spring. -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland neo-Luddite From p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz Mon Jan 30 20:10:22 EST 1995 Article: 1230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!NewsWatcher!user From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB spores and autoclaving Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:26:14 +1200 Organization: School of Music University of Auckland Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.90.127 New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture requirements for sterilising hive boxes and parts from AFB required immersion in paraffin wax at 160 degrees C for 20 minutes. Paraffin wax as I understand it was the only thing with a low enough surface tension to flow into cracks in the woodwork, and to "dissolve" beeswax and propolis, and at the same time not catch fire or cause damage to the hive boxes. The 160C sticks in my mind because I have seen in some other text a table of the time required at various temperatures to kill 99.9% of B larvae spores, and it flattened out at 159C -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland neo-Luddite From ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Wed Feb 1 23:39:24 EST 1995 Article: 1231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-mail 2/95 Date: 31 Jan 1995 20:09:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 210 Message-ID: <3gm5ed$kbp@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: IBRA monthly newsletter ========================================= B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. **February 1995** ========================================= CONTROLLING BEE MOVEMENTS TO LIMIT BEE DISEASES AND PESTS How useful are quarantines for bees? Do restrictions on bee movements help or hinder beekeeping industries coming to grips with the consequences of newly introduced parasites and diseases? This issue is in the news again in the UK as the 'line' for restricting hive movements to prevent the spread of varroa has been moved. What is called the 'autumn varroa search' has revealed the presence of the mite north and west of the 'statutory infected area' (SIA), an area out of which colony movements aren't permitted. Accordingly the boundaries of the SIA were moved from 1 January this year, to include much of the English midlands and Yorkshire where it is obvious varroa has been established for several years. However, the SIA has not been expanded to include Wales where a number of occurrences have been reported, meaning beekeepers in Wales are free to move their colonies to other 'non-infected' areas. Reactions to this move are mixed, with Scottish beekeepers keen to see a line giving them protection for as long as is feasible (though they are honest enough to say that any protection exists 'theoretically and legally, if not in reality': the line and Britain's 'borders' are not policed), and commercial bee farmers looking for a legislative response that is as pragmatic as possible. Events in the industry and in government control following the discovery of varroa in the UK in 1992 are reviewed well in Medwin Bew's chapter 'UK beekeeping in the age of varroa', in the book 'Living with varroa' (see below for details). The European experience is also salutary, and for a number of countries is discussed in the book 'New perspectives on varroa' (details, again, given later). Remember that in the 1960s and 1970s when some of these places were grappling with the mite there was nothing off the shelf that could be used for treatment. The response was often severe, with mass destruction of colonies. It is refreshing to see the honesty of some of the central and eastern Europeans as they look back at their actions. "I want to draw your attention to our first error", reports Vladimir Vesely in considering 15 years of organized varroa control in the Czech Republic, commenting later "and now I have to draw your attention to another mistake". Those early days were tough, and we can learn a lot from them about the effects of different approaches to bee disease control. In the same book I take a look at the effects of the impact of varroa infestation on beekeeping, and the benefits and disadvantages of movement controls. Certainly I am critical of the mass destruction of colonies that was often the flip side of these controls; wiping out colonies with varroa (or tracheal mite in the US) when the parasite was known to be endemic in the country concerned. In the October issue of 'Bee Culture', Mark Winston discusses import controls in his excellent monthly column. Looking particularly at the closure of the US-Canadian border to bee movements, he says that the moves taken were appropriate and have been successful, but that the action has been misunderstood by many in the US industry. First of all, he says, quarantines are designed to protect the majority interest (in a country) from the economic impact of pests and diseases, but not necessarily to keep them out for ever. Often, and in this case according to Winston, the aim is to delay the introduction and subsequent spread of a species for as long as possible "or at least as long as the quarantine is economically preferable to the damage the pest may cause". The economic advantage came from two factors: delaying the widespread occurrence of varroa and tracheal mite in Canada until effective and efficient means of control were available (a bureaucratic problem to do with licensing laws rather than a technical one), and to give beekeepers hurt by low honey prices as long as possible before the added expense of chemical treatment became necessary. The other point Mark makes is that the embargo on imports was initiated and sustained with broad support from Canadian beekeepers, and wasn't a result of regulators looking for a job or beekeepers wanting to protect a market. However, the article is honest enough to admit that there were benefits to the domestic market, at least for producers of queens, nucs and packages; and that US producers of these were hurt. I guess the thing with import bans and many other types of bee disease control and prevention measures, is that we usually don't know whether they're the right choice until it's too late (if we ever do find out). The beekeeping industry and government officials have to make the best judgement they can, but some principles are clear: Any quarantine must be scientifically justifiable: it has a good chance of working on technical grounds. And of course we must be clear about what 'working' means; is the programme designed to eradicate, contain or delay the pest? It must have economic advantages to the industry: with the net costs of the quarantine less than the costs of other courses of action. In an ideal world we should consider the global costs, not just the local costs; though politicians (and beekeeping association officers) are elected locally rather than globally. The actions taken must have the broad support of the industry they're designed to serve. We should also add that the quarantine, and reasons for its existence, must be reviewed constantly as circumstances change. PUBLICATIONS MENTIONED Living with varroa. IBRA, 58 pp, 1993. Price GBP15 in the UK; GBP16/USD25 worldwide including post and packing. Available from IBRA: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. New perspectives on varroa. IBRA, 164 pp, 1994. Same prices and availability. Bee culture. US monthly magazine, USD 16.50 in the USA, USD 24 overseas per year. Available from bculture@aol.com. MEETINGS COMING UP SOON.... TROPICAL BEES AND THE ENVIRONMENT Don't forget the meeting on 'Tropical bees and the environment', 13-15 March 1995. Pre-conference expedition 11 March 1995. Contact Beenet Asia Secretariat, Plant Protection Department, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, 43400 UPM Serdang, Selangor DE, Malaysia. Fax (+60) 3-948- 3745 or 948-2507. Further information from Dr Mardan at this address, or makhdzir%upmvmesa.ccrisc.upm.my. SCIENTIFIC APICULTURE CONFERENCE The 32nd scientific apiculture conference is being held in Pulawy, Poland, >from 14-15 March 1995. The organizers are the bee division at the Pulawy research institute and the Scientific Apiculture Society, and can be contacted at the Research Institute of Pomology and Floriculture, Bee Division, ul Kazimierska 2, PL-24 100 Pulawy, Poland. Fax (+48) 831- 4209. MEETINGS IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE.... EAS 95, THE YEAR OF THE HIVE Every year the Eastern Apiculture Society meets in the US or Canada, and their events are well worth attending. Primarily for keen hobbyists, there's something for everyone; with short courses, workshops, a conference with a variety of speakers, competitions and practical sessions. This year EAS will be different, with 10-15 sites around the conference venue containing practical, hands-on displays of bees and hives from the US and other countries. EAS 95, Wooster, Ohio, USA, 31 July to 4 August. Info from Kim Flottum, 623 W Liberty Street, Medina, OH 44256, USA. Fax (+1) 216-725-5624; phone 216-725-6677. AND SOME FOR ADVANCE PLANNING.... IBRA DAY 1996 Next year IBRA is holding its annual day as part of the popular weekend conference organized by the Devon Beekeepers' Associaton, at Seale- Hayne from 12 to 14 July. Some of the sessions have speaking slots still available and, to be honest, we're looking to get some international speakers on the cheap. The Devon BKA budget won't stretch to jetting people in from around the globe, but if anyone is going to be in the country and would like to sing for their supper, please feel free to put your name and subject forward to the programme committee for consideration. Contact us at IBRA. Travel expenses within the UK, and accommodation, can be covered. We're mean, but not that mean. 6TH IBRA CONFERENCE ON TROPICAL BEES: MANAGEMENT AND DIVERSITY San Jose, Costa Rica, 12-17 August 1996. Look for the first announcement in next month's B.mail. 9TH INTERNATIONAL PALYNOLOGIC CONGRESS Houston, Texas, USA, 22-29 June 1996. Details from dnichols@greenwood.cr.usgs.gov. Andrew Matheson Director Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Feb 1 23:39:26 EST 1995 Article: 1232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sioux City News Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 19:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <950131171722801@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 61 ---------------------------------------- Sue City News or the Hot Wax Market plus Honey (the by-product) Sioux Honey Association board directors authorized the additional winter advance that most have nothing to spend it on in the east but sure could help some poor western migratory beekeeper catch up with his fuel and truck towing bills. 1984 Crop to Date March Advance total as of March 1, 1995 BEESWAX $0.95 $0.25 $1.29 (ding how) Sue Bee $0.33 $0.07 $0.40 (a la natural) Aunt Sue $0.33 $0.06 $0.39 Pool No.3 $0.28 $0.07 $0.35 Special $0.28 $0.07 $0.35 Pool No.4 $0.13 $0.04 $0.17 *1985 Crop* Initial Advance on 1995 NEW Crop Sue Bee Bottle Grade and Aunt Sue Bottle Grade $0.24 Pool No.3 and Special Pool $0.19 Pool No.4 $0.10 Beeswax $0.85 More News from Sue The 2 cents bonus on Orange honey is reduced to 1 cent. Members are reminded that certain residues, (politically correct for "Chemical Residues"), FOUND in honey could result in rejection of the honey. The board, (all food scientists I presume), set a tolerance level of 200ppb or 0.02ppm, (which ever is less), for "amitraz" found in honey. It is assumed that beekeepers will know better then move their bees into a farm area that uses this chemical and would not use it themselves to make home made vampire mite control strips in violation of Federal and State Laws. The board board also set the level for EDB at 10.0ppb being the action level for rejection, stating that the in house testing continues on a routine basis. With the more then good rains received on the left coast during December and January giving the prospects for the largest crop of honey this century, it behoves the producer to sell, sell, sell, just in case my predictions come true. The cash price for honey, as low as it is in relation to the producers cost of production is good considering the pressures on the market from SA currency flux's, packers increased transportation and money costs, and early prospects for greater then normal production. ttul Andy- (c) Permission to reproduce, granted. Written opinions are not necessarily facts. Check your facts before expressing opinions. <30>--<30> From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Feb 1 23:39:26 EST 1995 Article: 1233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 15:52:43 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <17337DF52S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> <3ghalt$e1i@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ghfkh$ke4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3glq6r$l8d@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3glq6r$l8d@nntp1.u.washington.edu> jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: > >Thanks all for the advice on this one. I've decided to stack the supers >high on the hive, put in a queen excluder so she doesn't start laying up >with the honey.... > BAD IDEA! You don't want to add the queen excluder now, unless you are absolutely sure the bees have enough stores below the excluder to make it through the rest of the winter. Otherwise the may move above the excluder to get at the stores and the queen will be left below the excluder and out of the cluster (guaranteed death sentence for your queen). The best advice given was to place an inner cover between the supers and the winter cluster to reduce heat loss and minimize the chimney effect. Then if need be ALL the bees will be able to move up, but most likely will remain below the barrier between brood chambers and honey supers. Aaron Morris - tired of thinking. From jlks@u.washington.edu Wed Feb 1 23:39:28 EST 1995 Article: 1234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!lamarck.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.u.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 31 Jan 1995 16:58:03 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3glq6r$l8d@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> <3ghalt$e1i@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ghfkh$ke4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer06.u.washington.edu Thanks all for the advice on this one. I've decided to stack the supers high on the hive, put in a queen excluder so she doesn't start laying up with the honey, and then split (or perhaps catch a wild swarm - always wanted to try that) this spring. Thanks again for the feedback, all. Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From moroney@world.std.com Wed Feb 1 23:39:29 EST 1995 Article: 1235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Message-ID: <5qkBlaE963HS071yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3gdugl$3r6@clue.callamer.com> <3ghalt$e1i@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3ghfkh$ke4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3glq6r$l8d@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 02:08:05 GMT Lines: 13 In article <3glq6r$l8d@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > Thanks all for the advice on this one. I've decided to stack the supers > high on the hive, put in a queen excluder so she doesn't start laying up > with the honey, and then split (or perhaps catch a wild swarm - always > wanted to try that) this spring. You may want to consider the possibility you may lose the queen by doing this. The cluster may move "upstairs" through the excluder and the queen, being unable to pass through, may be left behind to freeze. I do not know if the bees will leave the queen behind or not. -Mike From bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk Wed Feb 1 23:39:30 EST 1995 Article: 1236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uknet!liv!lucs!bbeattie From: bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Sender: news@csc.liv.ac.uk (News Eater) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:34:00 GMT Lines: 19 References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bbeattie@kuban.csc.liv.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] bill fernihough (bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca) wrote: > In article <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu > (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > > been doing. Sadly, one of the two hives did not make it. I am not too > > surprised, as they were pretty weak going into the fall, and though I > > left them heavy stores on which to feed, I think they probably simply > > didn't have the numbers to resist the cold. > > > You might try feeding sugar syrup with antibiotics to the > surviving hive, to build them up and initiate brood rearing, I've always understood that the use of antibiotics as prophylactics wasn't a Good Thing as there's a risk of producing resistant bacteria, so then it's no good when you REALLY need it. Any other opinions on this? Bridget Beattie. From christer.seltorp@posnet.co.uk Wed Feb 1 23:39:31 EST 1995 Article: 1237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!christer.seltorp From: christer.seltorp@posnet.co.uk (Christer Seltorp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Punch Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:01:31 GMT Message-ID: <950201180011110@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 32 On (27 Jan 95) Andy Nachbaur wrote to All... Hi Andy! >Anyone tried the Hackler Honey Punch? Any good? > AN> |-------------------------------------| AN> I'll byte Steve, whats the "Hackler Honey Punch"? You might say AN> this question has Sunday punched me. I have tryed it but I am not satisfied with it. After a short while the Hackler Honey Punch get filled with wax from the frame. You have to clean it often in hot water. Thats my experience with it. Or does anyone know if you have to use some special trick to get it working??????? Greetings Christer  ... BiBeBeeS the leading BBS in Europe of beekeeping matters --- PPoint 1.86 * Origin: PointSemin (240:246/3) From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Feb 1 23:39:32 EST 1995 Article: 1238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Punch Date: 1 Feb 1995 21:56:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3gp02m$ekj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950201180011110@posnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <950201180011110@posnet.co.uk>, Christer Seltorp wrote: >I have tryed it but I am not satisfied with it. > >After a short while the Hackler Honey Punch get filled with >wax from the frame. You have to clean it often in hot water. > >Thats my experience with it. > >Or does anyone know if you have to use some special trick >to get it working??????? > Okay. Please. What does this thing do? Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From tkresser@ucs.indiana.edu Wed Feb 1 23:39:33 EST 1995 Article: 1239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!hookup!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!copper.ucs.indiana.edu!tkresser From: tkresser@ucs.indiana.edu (todd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TEST Date: 2 Feb 1995 01:02:24 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3gpav0$1s0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: copper.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] This is a test. From rspear@primenet.com Wed Feb 1 23:39:34 EST 1995 Article: 1240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip243.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Punch Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 17:56:46 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <950201180011110@posnet.co.uk> <3gp02m$ekj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip243.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3gp02m$ekj@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: Honey Punch >Date: 1 Feb 1995 21:56:38 GMT [earlier stuff deleted] >Okay. Please. What does this thing do? >Adam [.sig deleted] Don't know, Adam ... but I'd guess that it opens up the cells for extraction. Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Wed Feb 1 23:39:35 EST 1995 Article: 1241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU!IBAYPGX From: IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question--getting stung Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 16:41 Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Lines: 8 Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Feb 1 23:39:36 EST 1995 Article: 1242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sioux City News Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 23:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950201170340804@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 95 ÕÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ͸ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:08:18 -0500 From: Adam Finkelstein Subject: Re: Sioux City News Is the amitraz due to the use of liquid taktic? ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; Hello ADam, Yes, but I don't think the practice of using "TAKTIC", a easy to get farm chemical, is as wide spread with Sioux Bee honey producers as it may be with others. Because several years ago Sioux Bee on their own volition set the tolerances lower then the legal tolerances as company policy. Several large lots of members honey were rejected and the word got out to all members. I don't necessarily agree with this policy, and in fact believe it may be based on poor science and could have very disastrous public relation effects if any one producer were to challenge it with in court judeacation. Tolerances for agricultural chemicals or anything else as set by government regulation are bad enough for the producer of any crop, and the government to enforce, additional restrictions leave the producer at the mercy of the buyer who sets them. At the same time it is not unusual from buyers of agricultural products to have such policies such as the corn growers who grow dried corn for snack food products in this area. "They" the growers are restricted from using most any agricultural chemicals by company policy. I admit to some personal bias as I once had a drum (660#) of honey rejected because it contained EDB. I had not used EDB for several years myself as I spent the bucks to air condition my storage buildings so that it would be unnecessary, to save more bucks because of the high costs and risks of using EDB and other chemicals prior to any regulation of EDB. I also had a beautiful crop of Wild Buckwheat honey rejected because it failed a test for sugar adulteration. Again, in this case I used sugar syrup in the spring, (as 100% of Sioux members do in this area), but my honey which was produced from a different source then the others and was rejected. I took the hit, I learned later from reliable chemists in the field of honey and sugar that I may have been shafted because of the natural chemical nature of the honey I produced >from the Wild Buckwheat flowers, as has been acknowledged by scientific study on honey from other flower sources, such as Orange, and Mesquite >from the south west. Lucky for me Wild Buckwheat honey is always in demand, but I ate the costs of double transportation bills and the drums the honey was packed in. As I had to use the old Honey Loan Program I also got into deep trouble when I sold the honey and paid the loan off, but neglected to inform the local ASCS office I had done so until they received the money. I was forgiven by the local ASCS and the STATE ASCS committees but not by the Washington bureaucrats. After years of hassle, and a real kangaroo administrative hearing by phone with a person thats only knowledge about beekeeping was that bees made honey and beekeepers robbed them of it. I was proclaimed to owe our government thousands of dollars that they are going to take it out of any future income tax refunds. The interest is now more then the principal and the ASCS is yet to collect the first dollar from my tax refunds, as I never have got one and never will if they have their way. Regardless of how I feel or what I think, Sioux Honey Cooperative has policy that is more restrictive then government regulation or the real policies of any other honey packer. If nothing else this is good public relations in that it shows the company is concerned with food safety and goes the extra mile to insure consumers of Sioux Honey it is pure honey. In reality government regulations that are intended to do just that are subject to change at any time, and anyone could find that what they produce in not in compliance. In watching state law in places like Arizona, that passed a law to restrict the planting of olive trees to protect people who have allergies, one wonders what would happen if pollen in honey was to be regulated for similar reasons as much olive pollen is collected by bees in the west. All this adds to the proof that commercial beekeepers today live on the edge and it is not as much fun to be a beekeeper as it was a generation ago unless you are some kind of pervert that likes a hassle >from some bureaucrat to make your day. I know a local dairyman, my age, a Dutchman, who just got back from deep in Mexico after buying land to move his diary just because of some of the same reasons. He came to this country as a child, a displaced person who's family fled Holland after WW II because they sided with the allies against the German appointed local government. Now he is fleeing another country for similar reasons, maybe its not his blood this time, only his milk that will be spilled, but a man's livelihood has some value too. Many will say he was a poor citizen, he arrived in this country with only the treads on his back, and worked a lifetime to become a successful dairyman. Never gave up his Dutch citizenship, so now he is free to go anyplace in the world that better suites his personal needs. You and I should be so lucky. But I don't think I would choose to go to Mexico to keep bees as there are still a few locations and tricks here I have not tried. ttul Andy- - ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì Wild Bee's BBS ì”ì Beekeeping Information Service BBS 209/826-8107 28.8 bd INTERNET: Andy.Nachbaur@BEENET.COM - ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- ì”ì -- From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Thu Feb 2 10:42:51 EST 1995 Article: 1243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 2 Feb 1995 06:13:50 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3gpt6u$3i7@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line54.nwm.mindlink.net bbeattie@csc.liv.ac.uk (B.J.H. Beattie) wrote: > > bill fernihough (bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca) wrote: > > In article <3g14gp$6im@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu > > (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > > > > been doing. Sadly, one of the two hives did not make it. I am not too > > > surprised, as they were pretty weak going into the fall, and though I > > > left them heavy stores on which to feed, I think they probably simply > > > didn't have the numbers to resist the cold. > > > > > You might try feeding sugar syrup with antibiotics to the > > surviving hive, to build them up and initiate brood rearing, > > I've always understood that the use of antibiotics as prophylactics wasn't a > Good Thing as there's a risk of producing resistant bacteria, so then it's no > good when you REALLY need it. > > Any other opinions on this? > > Bridget Beattie. Bridget, doesn't appear we're getting much attention, but can I suggest that since bee's usually don't last more than a few weeks, there isn't time for resistance to occurr to the antibiotics. The antibiotics themselves are very weak, and only last six weeks in moisture, and only a few seconds in sunshine, just for your info. You can be sure that if you don't feed antibiotics regularly in infected areas, sooner or later, your hives are going to be burnt. You should discuss with you local bee inspector for your area, who undoubtedly can assist. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Feb 3 08:27:31 EST 1995 Article: 1244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping home page Date: Thu, 02 Feb 95 09:24:03 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 4 Message-ID: <173398433S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Keywords: mosaic homepage I'm not able to get to the Beekeeping Homepage this morining. Is this a temporary development? Aaron Morris From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Feb 3 08:27:32 EST 1995 Article: 1245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 questions Date: 2 Feb 1995 06:06:27 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3gpsp3$3i7@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line54.nwm.mindlink.net bird@ace.acadiau.ca (AVRIL BIRD) wrote: > > I am posting this for my Father-in-Law (please bear in mind that he barely > knows what a computer is so his questions may seem a little weirdly phrased). > > > "Hi. One of the requirements of a bee keeping operation is the availability > of queen bees. A 40 hive operation, as a hobby, is no different. Hives die > and new starter hives (nucs) have to be made. Replacement of old queens > gives new genes to a dwindling hive. Can anyone pass on information about > the miller method of queen raising?" > > "Beekeeping can be fun but not always in the winter, and why is asked? The > answer is survival rate. A 40 hive operation with a survival rate of 85% > can be costly. Try 50% for the last two years. Somewhere around $1000 to > $1500 to replace these with no chance to increase to a greater number. > I am considering overwintering bees inside a building with fan systems and a > temp. of 4-7 degrees C. Anyone with any experiences?" > > Thanks, > > Avril Bird for > Norman Bird > Wolfville, Nova Scotia Can I suggest your relative check with other beekeepers in the area for ideas. He is correct that such a mortality rate it too high, are mites, foulbrood, contributing? If he is new to the business, there is a wealth of free information available, he might check into it. Try writing to your local agricultureal dept in NS, if that doesn't work, send a note to the BC govt or Ontario dept of agriculture. They still give away free info. If the hives are wrapped well, enough honey, antibiotics applied regularly, that loss could likely be much improved. From syadasti@news.gate.net Fri Feb 3 08:27:34 EST 1995 Article: 1246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!not-for-mail From: syadasti@news.gate.net (Mike Gogulski) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: royal jelly Date: 2 Feb 1995 15:20:46 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Florida Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3grequ$12lk@hopi.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopi.gate.net Does anyone have any pointers to net-resources regarding medicinal applications of this stuff in humans? Or maybe a book that talks about it or something? Copy responses to email, please. Thanks, Peace, Mike -- Mike Gogulski syadasti@gate.net +14076783773 4270 Aloma 124-41A 32792-9366 USA From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Feb 3 08:27:35 EST 1995 Article: 1247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 2 Feb 1995 20:24:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3grf2o$hds@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] MURRAY,JEFFREY P (jm67@acmez.gatech.edu) wrote: : >I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at : >least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more : >rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just >wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while >actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. >Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? >SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly >now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette : I've only been keeping bees in Atlanta for a couple of years : now, but in all of that time, I've only been stung three times. : I guess my advice to you is not to worry about it too much, : unless you know you have adverse reactions to insect stings. If, : on the other hand, you've suffered the occasional sting without : major problems, then just wearing protective clothing should : be as much precaution as you need. Paulette, I found that the biggest problem with getting stung was not the initial discomfort resulting from the sting, but rather, the moderate swelling I experience hours later. This reaction (the swelling) seems to decrease with repeated exposure (i.e., it did in my case). If you're going to have minimal interaction with your bees, then you'll probably only going to gets stung a few times a year - but each instance may be a bit unpleasant. If you are planning on many interactions, you might want to administer stings daily until you build up some tolerance. (There is an intersting description of a method of doing so in the book "A Book of Bees" by Sue Hubbell) The value of this is that you get it over with and can pick the sight of the swelling. (Stings on the thigh are much better than on the ankle, for example) Minimally, you should invest in face and neck protection, and when you do so, DON'T SKIMP. Make sure you try on some differnt types and get something that will hold the net out away from your face and neck. If you amortize the extra cost ($20 ?) for really decent protection over the lifetime (say 10 years) you'll agree it's worth it. You mention "getting some expereince in a more rural environment..." This suggests you'd be working with some established beekeepers - they'll probably have an assortment of suits and head protection, so this may help. Dave From jm67@acmez.gatech.edu Fri Feb 3 08:27:36 EST 1995 Article: 1248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!prism!acmez.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmez.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 2 Feb 1995 12:57:04 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 38 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Message-ID: References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmez.gatech.edu In-reply-to: IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU's message of Wed, 01 Feb 1995 16:41 >I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at >least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more >rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just >wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while >actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. >Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? >SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly >now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette I've only been keeping bees in Atlanta for a couple of years now, but in all of that time, I've only been stung three times. In two of the three cases it was my own fault (i.e., not wearing protective clothing and doing stuff that I shouldn't have). The third time was just persistence on the part of the bee; she tried to sting me through my coveralls enough times that she eventually made contact. I was in the process of tearing down the whole hive to check on disease conditions, and that tends to make all of the bees unhappy. I guess my advice to you is not to worry about it too much, unless you know you have adverse reactions to insect stings. If, on the other hand, you've suffered the occasional sting without major problems, then just wearing protective clothing should be as much precaution as you need. Jeeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From rspear@primenet.com Fri Feb 3 08:27:37 EST 1995 Article: 1249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip210.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 19:05:19 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip210.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) writes: >From: IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) >Subject: Question--getting stung >Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 16:41 >I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at >least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more >rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just >wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while >actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. >Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? >SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly >now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette Paulette - I too live in suburban LA (Sunland). I only have a few hives and I always wear my protective clothing when opening up the hives. I have only been stung once in three years, and that was by accident (the bee was in some clothes ... the hives are within 10 meters of the laundry room). I also carry an anaphylactic kit - I have very bad reactions to stings. I guess my point is that with proper care you can reduce the likelihood of being stung to an absolute minimun. Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From cvoice@tyrell.net Fri Feb 3 21:33:21 EST 1995 Article: 1250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.tyrell.net!cvoice From: cvoice@tyrell.net (David Brown) Subject: BEE-L X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tyrell.net Message-ID: Sender: news@tyrell.net (*) Organization: Tyrell Corporation - 800-TYRELL-1 - POP's in 504/816/913/316 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:49:38 GMT Lines: 5 I am looking for information on how to subscribe to the BEE-L list. Any clues would be helpfull. David Brown cvoice@tyrell.net From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Feb 3 21:33:22 EST 1995 Article: 1251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Date: 1 Feb 1995 04:36:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 397 Message-ID: <3gn34c$omc@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: not revised In article , David Brown wrote: >I am looking for information on how to subscribe to the BEE-L list. Any >clues would be helpfull. > sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ 1/12/94 This is FAQ #7 for sci.agriculture.beekeeping. This FAQ tries to list and point to all informational resources on the internet for beekeepers and apiculturists. A great old beekeeping cliche is: "there are about as many ways to keep bees as there are beekeepers." Therefore rather than list and then answer the myriad beekeeping, bee culture, and apicultural questions in a cumbersome document, specific internet resources are listed in this FAQ so that you may find your own answers, like a true beekeeper!. If you are unable to utilize any of these resources, please don't hesitate to contact me or post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. As a last resort, you could even mail the listserv, bee-l, but *please* be sure to include a return address in your letter, and to realize that your question will go to *** all *** the list subscribers. Explicit instructions on listserv use and bee-l are included in this FAQ. Please read them before mailing anything to bee-l. You can always ask somebody. Asking really works! I'm working on an archive at sunsite.unc.edu for beekeeping. Once this is done, you may mail me with information, comments, hints, stories, FAQ ANSWERS, and they will become archived in an easily accessible way, via ftp, gopher, and www. I have already received some really nice beekeeping files. Thank you, you know who you are and you deserve praise! ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. To subscribe to BEE-L, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To get help on how to run the listserver, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: HELP To send a message to all current BEE-L subscribers, mail it to BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu. (FOR DETAILED LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS, READ BEE-L SECTION AT END OF FAQ) * Beekeeping Home Page (WWW) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html * _Apis_ Magazine archive (WWW) http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Colorado State University http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Iowa State University http://www.public.iastate.edu/~entomology/ * sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu anonymous ftp, gopher * sunsite.unc.edu anonymous ftp, gopher, telnet anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd sunsite-Sustainable-Agriculture/beekeeping gopher: gopher sunsite.unc.edu go to: The Worlds of sunsite Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping (it's in there, the archive is huge!) * ftp.ucdavis.edu anonymous ftp: ftp ftp.ucdavis.edu /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping * Beekeeping FAQ's from beenet.com How to USE: Internet E-Mail a message addressed to: (example) HINT.103@beenet.com on subject line put the name of FAQ: HONEY ADULTERATION Thats all, you are welcome to add a message. Mail runs are 6am & 6pm. Problems, post to sysop@beenet.com FAQ Last update 9-28-94 name * NEW or UPDATED _________ HINT.IND THIS INDEX * WB-FILE.ZIP Beekeeping Files Wild Bee's BBS 9k 9/28 yellow.jacket How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner 8/94 argentin.ant Argentine Ant Control Adrian Wenner 8/94 ambee.fed Info-Joining American Beekeeping Federation apimon95.txt Info- APIMONDIA 1995 Meeting mead.lst How to join the Mead list mail bee-l.faq How to find Bee Info on Internet, Bee-L FAQ's++ 9/10 import.relief Letter to Congress, William J. Clinton (1994) usda-bee.lab Address & Info on Sending Dead bee samples (1992) formic.txt Warning on use of Formic Acid by beekeepers (1992) propolis Jerry Bronenshenk on PROPOLIS (1993) 4-H.txt 4-H joins the Internet (1993) FSHEET11 INFORMATION US BEEKEEPING HINT.101 SOURCES OF BEEKEEPING INFORMATION HINT.102 HONEY AND ITS USES HINT.103 HONEY ADULTERATION HINT.104 FLORIDA BEE INSPECTION HINT.105 FLORIDA BEARS AND BEEKEEPING HINT.106 HONEY HOUSE SANITATION HINT.107 FLORIDA HONEY LABELING REGULATIONS HINT.108 PRODUCING SECTION (COMB) HONEY HINT.109 EXHIBITING HONEY HINT.110 SAMPLE POLLINATION AGREEMENT HINT.111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS HINT.112 EXTENSION APICULTURAL VISUAL AIDS HINT.113 USING HONEY IN LARGE-QUANTITY RECIPES HINT.115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES HINT.116 CHALKBROOD RECOMMENDATIONS HINT.117 HONEY MARKETING SURVEY HINT.118 PRODUCING POLLEN HINT.119 FINANCIAL MANGEMENT FOR BEEKEEPERS HINT.120 UPWARD VENTILATION HINT.121 WAX MOTH CONTROL HINT.122 BEE STINGS AND REACTIONS HINT.123 EXTENSION APICULTURE IN FLORIDA HINT.124 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND RATIOS FOR BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.125 PRESERVING WOODENWARE IN BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.126 THE VALUE OF POLLINATION BY HONEY BEES HINT.127 THE VARROA BEE MITE HINT.128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY HINT.129 HONEY JUDGING AND STANDARDS HINT.130 USING THE HONEY REFRACTOMETER HINT.131 OBSERVATION BEE HIVES All HINT's courtesy of Malcolm T. Sanford, Cooperative Extension Service University of Florida, Gainesville, Fl e:mail mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu *beenet.com is an Information Service for Beekeepers & Friends, operated by Andy Nachbaur from the Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107, Los Banos, CA ****Thanks to Andy Nachbaur for putting this together.**** Andy would like your talents in expanding this service. Interested? Write him. Email Andy.Nachbaur@beeneet.com (****note**** this is not the most current list) * Remote File Retriver from beenet.com HOW IT WORKS: Mail addressed to will be read by wcARCHIE. When wcARCHIE locates this new mail, it will retrieve the text >from the SUBJECT LINE of the message. wcARCHIE will search the entire Wildcat! file database for a file with a name that matches the text. wcARCHIE will also search the \WCARCHIE directory for this file. If a file is located, it will be sent as a message file attachment to the original sender. If the subject line contains the word HELP, a help message will be sent. If the subject line contains the word FILES, a list of available files will be sent. * Honey Hotline NHB Food Technology Program 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (Voice & Fax) *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44) 1222 665 522 V: (+44) 1222 372 409 (24 hrs) email: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Now putting out "B-Mail" a monthly newsletter available on the newsgroup or the listserver, soon to be archived. * Mead lovers list: mead-lovers-request@eklektix.com mead mailing list (subscribe, unsubscribe, etc) mead-lovers@eklektix.com (to send message to all current mead-lover subscribers) * The Mead Association P.O. Box 4666 Grand Junction, CO 81502 1-800-693-MEAD outside US 303-442-9111 * Mead book list: for a good list of books on mead mail: jkl2@Ra.MsState.edu ask for book list. ***** Online Beekeeping Reference Sources ****** * Malcolm Roe is pleased to answer British beekeeping questions such as: how to get started, the addresses of local associations and equipment suppliers, where to get some bees, legal questions, etc. email roe@crosfield.co.uk * _The Hewitt Apicultural Collection_ gopher: < gopher.uconn.edu > Select Libraries and Research Services. Then Edward H Kirschbaum Library (Waterbury Campus). Lastly, Hewitt Apicultural Collection. Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at UCONN handles this great resource. Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu * B-EYE bee eye simulator WWW pages that offer to "see the world through the eyes of a bee." http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/ Andy Giger email giger@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Diana Sammataro, bee researcher, author, is available for Tracheal mite questions and tracheal mite information. email dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. email jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. email robbee@crl.com * Paul Cheng will be coordinating the Bee sting/venom/allergy FAQ. email him with your information/input. email pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees. To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. The listserver (the computer that runs the list) maintains a log (archive) of all messages, and list members may request a copy of the log. The archive has a separate file for each month, and these files are currently saved for about a year. To access the listserve computer itself (i.e. to subscribe to or unsubscribe from BEE-L, to request a log file, etc.), send e-mail to the listserver address. Don't send control messages to the BEE-L address, because the message will just be sent to everyone on the list, and the computer will not do what you wanted it to do. Note that most control messages contain the list name (BEE-L) somewhere in the command, as the listserve computer generally runs many lists at any given time. How do I post a message to BEE-L? If you are on the Internet, send an e-mail message to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu If you are on BitNet, address your e-mail to bee-l@ALBNYVM1.BITNET Any message received at these addresses will be duplicated and mailed to everyone currently subscribed to the BEE-L list. How do I subscribe to, or unsubscribe from BEE-L? Send mail to the listserve computer (from the Internet the address is listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu from BitNet, the address is listserv@ALBNYVM1.BITNET To SUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L You may abbreviate SUBSCRIBE with SUB. Be sure to substitute your real name for the placeholder. You do not need quotes or any other delimiters surrounding your name. The listserve computer will determine your address from the "From:" header in your message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SIGNOFF BEE-L You may substitute either UNSUBSCRIBE or UNSUB for the SIGNOFF in this command to remove your subscription to the list If your address has changed since you subscribed, this command will fail - write to YOUR local POSTMAST/POSTMASTER/POSTMSTR id for assistance. If that fails, then write to OWNER-BEE-L @ for assistance. If that fails, then write one of the following (these are typical addresses that should be forwarded to a person who can answer your question): POSTMASTER@ POSTMAST@ POSTMSTR@ Note: = ALBNYVM1.BITNET if you are on BitNet. = uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on Internet). To avoid this problem, UNSUBSCRIBE from BEE-L before you move to a new e-mail address, and then resubscribe from your new address. How do I get help using the listserver? Send a message to the listserver, with the one word HELP in the body of the message. Address the message to listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet if you are on BitNet, or address it to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on the Internet. The listserver will mail a help document back to you. Sending the message INFO ? will cause the listserver to mail you a list of additional help documents that are available. These additional documents are requested by sending the message INFO (be sure to substitute the desired document name for ) Aknowledgments I would like to thank the following individuals: Jon Gefael who taught me and who is almost always right Pete Thorsen who is a walking man page Rick Hough for his FAQ contributions, and gentle way My school, VA Tech, for giving me an account Dr. Rick Fell, for making me think My old friend Jayne who bears with me even to this day My children for their beauty and to beekeepers worldwide Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Finkelstein, all rights reserved. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or compilations without express permission from the author. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From DAHL@dahl.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 3 21:33:23 EST 1995 Article: 1252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: DAHL@dahl.demon.co.uk (DAHL NELSON) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!dahl.demon.co.uk!DAHL Subject: Re: BEE-L References: Organization: MessyDesk Reply-To: DAHL@dahl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 X-Posting-Host: dahl.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:40:15 +0000 Message-ID: <791836815snz@dahl.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article cvoice@tyrell.net "David Brown" writes: > I am looking for information on how to subscribe to the BEE-L list. Any > clues would be helpfull. > > mail to ... listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet quote... "sub bee-l help" -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dahl Nelson e-mail.. DAHL@dahl.demon.co.uk. Sunderland U.K. mutamur in illis From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Feb 4 12:09:00 EST 1995 Article: 1253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE-L Date: 4 Feb 1995 03:02:37 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3guqod$fc0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <791836815snz@dahl.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <791836815snz@dahl.demon.co.uk>, DAHL NELSON wrote: >In article cvoice@tyrell.net "David Brown" writes: > >> I am looking for information on how to subscribe to the BEE-L list. Any >> clues would be helpfull. >> >> > mail to ... listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet > quote... "sub bee-l > help" mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu in body of letter have: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L Check out the upcoming FAQ for more listserv commands --if you can't wait mail me and I'll send you the latest one. Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ From dritchie@nwrain.com Sat Feb 4 20:58:18 EST 1995 Article: 1254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!usenet From: dritchie@nwrain.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Class - Northwest Area Date: 4 Feb 1995 20:40:55 GMT Organization: RGNet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3h0oon$rka@news0.rain.rg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.t0.tac.nwr.rg.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Passing this info along. Message to would bee, bee-keepers! Don't buzz me, but here it is. Beginning Bee Keeping Classes Starting: Thursday, Feb 23,1995 and Friday, February 24,1995 7:00 to 9:30 p.m. At the Beez Neez Apiary Supply 312 "Bee" Maple Ave. Snohomish, WA For Info Call (360) 568-2191 From 74464.2341@CompuServe.COM Fri Feb 10 22:25:28 EST 1995 Article: 1255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer <74464.2341@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 5 Feb 1995 05:16:58 GMT Organization: Cedar Ridge Systems Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3h1n0a$jj8$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: <3grf2o$hds@netnews.upenn.edu> I've been keeping bees for going on three years and I've only been stung once or twice...but never while actually working with the bees. I agree with one of the respondents, though, in that unless you're planning to wear protective gear the whole time, it's a good idea to get stung. Our local club members here say that if you're going to get stung, however, you should do it a lot. Their recommendation is on the order of 100-200 times a year. Apparently, from what they say, if you get stung just a few times, say 15 times a year, you can develop a sensitivity that increases with time. I don't know if this is true, but one of them is quite bright and he has a college degree in biology/entomology. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Nevada County, California <74464.2341@compuserve.com> From rogerpost@delphi.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:30 EST 1995 Article: 1256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!rogerpost From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question--getting stung Date: 5 Feb 1995 06:57:39 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9502050156591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1a.delphi.com X-To: Roger Post In article <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) writes: > I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at > least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more > rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just > wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while > actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. > Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? > SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly > now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette > I suggest that you start by wearing gloves etc. I know that some beekeepers do not but they are old hands at it. When I had hives the most I ever got stung was one day 9 times on the ankel. Most of the time I would be able to work with them without getting stung at all. however I always wore veil and gloves and long sleeve shirt even in the summer in Phoenix. If you have a severe reaction to bee stings you might want to think about some other hobby. From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Fri Feb 10 22:25:31 EST 1995 Article: 1257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Pollen Report of 1995 for the North Date: 5 Feb 1995 19:23:40 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3h38js$iv6@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line14.nwm.mindlink.net On Feb 4, 1995, bees in the Vancouver BC Canada area were bringing in fresh pollen. A warm winter in the area has resulted in many blooms about a month early, and even trees are starting to flower. The pollen observed was bright yellow, beleived to be from crocus flowers. The hives in this area are strong, and willing to work early. Outside temperatures reached at 15 degrees C, quite a pleasant day. From dumaglas@nbnet.nb.ca Fri Feb 10 22:25:32 EST 1995 Article: 1258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!utcsri!utnut!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!dynam02.nbnet.nb.ca!user From: dumaglas@nbnet.nb.ca (Ernest MacGillivray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Problem Date: 5 Feb 1995 20:25:40 GMT Organization: Hamilton-MacGillivray Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dynam02.nbnet.nb.ca > From: cowens@ix.netcom.com (Christine Owens) > Newsgroups: rec.gardens > Subject: Bees > Date: 5 Feb 1995 02:01:20 GMT > Organization: Netcom > Lines: 22 > Distribution: world > Message-ID: <3h1bhg$9de@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> > References: <3gk8g2$pde@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> <3gom2c$lr6@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1995Feb2.192421.38080@cobra.uni.edu> <3h18i8$qc1@abc.ksu.ksu.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-dc5-14.ix.netcom.com > > Hi, All! > > Got a problem. I have this old stump in the back yard that > became a beehive a couple of years ago. (Cheers!) Having a > (very) local source of pollen-movers has done wonders for > production in the veggie / fruit garden. However, my > neighbors found out about it -- they saw me harvesting the > comb a couple weeks ago -- and now are agitating that I am > harboring a menace to all of their children. I am being > blamed for every bee-sting that has occurred to anyone, > anywhere, since the beginning of time. > > Now, I happen to be allergic to bee stings; but it has been > more than 15 years since the last time I was stung. This is > mainly because, although I garden extensively every year, > I have learned how to not agitate the bees. So, if I am not > afraid of this "menace", why are they? > > How can I convince the locals that a beehive and people > are not incompatible? Any suggestions? > > Chris Owens From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:33 EST 1995 Article: 1259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Beekeeping Course, Upstate New York Date: Mon, 06 Feb 95 10:34:10 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1733D94A3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Beginning Beekeeping at HVCC SABA* member Rick Green will be teaching a beginning course in beekeeping at Hudson Valley Community College. Offered through the continuing education program, this not for credit special interest course will meet for three sessions on February 22, March 15 and April 19 from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM. Registration fee for the class is $20 and includes the text, which is a 40 page color booklet. If you are interested in taking the course or if you have a friend who has been considering taking up beekeeping, contact HVCC Continuing Education at (518) 270-7338. *Southern Adirondack Beekeepers' Association (SABA) From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:35 EST 1995 Article: 1260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Stings and Things Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:50:04 GMT Lines: 8 Facts in MY LIFE! When I was a carpenter, I got slivers... When I was a secretary, I got paper cuts... When I was an electrian, I got shocked... When I was a auto mechanic, I got greasy... When I was a landscaper, I got dirty When I kept bees, I got stung... From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:36 EST 1995 Article: 1261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Weather report Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <950205161814829@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 24 *Internet Weather Report* From: kowens@teleport.com (Jeff Owens) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit Subject: Weather report Date: 4 Feb 1995 14:58:42 -0800 Well, here in the Pacific Northwest many of the buds opened today. We have been having warm weather and the trees think it is spring. Groan! Anyone want to bet we will lose our fruit crop to a hard frost? Maybe the weather will stay warm it will be a bumper year. And maybe that issai kiwi will finally have all those berries the catalog promised. And maybe the last two sentences are bad jokes. A early bloom in the Pacific Northwest would be disaster from tree fruit growers there, not only from the worry of frost, but because of the reality that all the honey bees are in California for the almond bloom where the foggy weather has kept most in with the exception of a few hours one afternoon in the last week. From pollinator@aol.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:37 EST 1995 Article: 1262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 5 Feb 1995 19:05:24 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 92 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3h3p44$16f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <9502050156591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In article <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Paulette) writes: > I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at > least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more > rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just > wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while > actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. > Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? > SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly > now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette I am a commercial beekeeper, who gets stung a few times most days, and occasionally, when the bees have a bad day, so do I. As a rule of thumb, I figure on only about one really bad day each year. Your body adapts to stings, so that eventually the only ones that will have any signigicant effect are those right close to your eyes or lips. Of course any sting hurts, but after your body is adapted, they will not swell, and will stop hurting in a minute or two. Usually in ten minutes there is not even a mark to show where you've been stung. I encourage people who are starting to have gloves available, but not to use them if possible. Gloves make you more clumsy, so may actually increase stinging. They also can carry the sting odor and increase stinging. (You can wash your hands and should always have wash water available.) Gloves can also become contaminated if used to handle foulbrood cases. Bees will rarely go for your hands on purpose, most such stings occur when you accidently mash a bee, so just work calmly and carefully. One time I had a serious reaction to a sting after dental surgery, when I was on a painkiller. Some drugs (I've heard those in the ibuprofen family) will interact with bee venom and cause reactions. In my case I had hives, itching, sweating and I think, a fever. On another occasion, when loading a truckload of very aggressive bees I had some reaction. The bees had been in an apple orchard and were on wagons, which were drawn to a central loading area during the night, and I loaded at daybreak. They apparently didn't like all that bouncing around at night, and the loss of the apple bloom. I was miles from home and had no gloves with me (bad plan!) and was probably stung several hundred times. My wrists swelled a little, and all my joints ached. Something like a case of flu - I think I was running a fever. Fortunately I had another driver (who stayed in the truck during loading). I took two Tylenols and slept for a couple hours while he drove, after which I was fine. You won't have such a situation, if you keep a couple hives in the backyard. I'm just illustrating it as the extreme case. I keep Benadryl available in the trucks for the help, but I've never used it for stings, as it will put me to sleep (the hired hands too). Most stinging can be avoided if you pick your days to work bees - a luxury that often is not available to commercial beekeepers. If you find the bees are touchy, you can try another day. Generally they are bad if they cannot get out for several days of poor weather. Bees that get crowded in the hives tend to be more aggressive, so if you keep plenty of room you'll have gentler bees (and also limit swarming). Once in a while you'll have a rogue hive that is always in a bad temper. To deal with it the easiest way, place a small starter hive next to it (a nuc just transferred into a full sized hive is good), then move the nasty hive a couple hundred feet on a nice morning when you expect good foraging conditions. The nasty workers will leave from their new location, forage, and return to the old location, where they will enter the nuc. Don't plan on doing anything with the nuc for a while, they will temporarily become nasty until these field workers die off. After time for most of the field force to transfer, open the nasty hive and find the queen. There will not be very many adults and they will be almost all young bees, so they will be more gentle. Find the queen and kill her. Then introduce a queen in a cage, from good gentle stock. Without the older bees, there should be good acceptance. Incidently bee stings, while temporarily painful are probably beneficial in moderation. How many beekeepers are in their seventies and eighties, and still working like young men. I think they help me stay younger. In the winter, when I am not handling bees, I sometimes get very stiff, especially in my lower back. I can go to the bees and deliberately get a couple stings, and the stiffness will go away for a couple weeks. I may be giving you more than you want here. The key is that bee stings are not usually a problem, and there are solutions if there are. I have a lot worse problems getting employees because beekeeping is hard work, than because they sting. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From fzyenath@chip.ucdavis.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:38 EST 1995 Article: 1263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!chip!fzyenath Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does honey turn hair grey? Message-ID: <3h41b8$49s@mark.ucdavis.edu> From: fzyenath@chip.ucdavis.edu (Geeta Bharathan) Date: 6 Feb 1995 02:25:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis NNTP-Posting-Host: chip.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 11 This should be the group that can answer this question. The mythology in my husband's side of the family is that honey turns hair grey; I think it only makes it sticky. Does anyone here have a good answer (referenced, if possible)? I posted this question on sci.bionet, got two contradictory answers and one suggestion that I try this group. Thanks in advance for your responses. Geeta Bharathan From rvan@saucer.cc.umr.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:39 EST 1995 Article: 1264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!hptemp1.cc.umr.edu!rvan From: rvan@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Robert Van Leeuwen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 6 Feb 1995 03:18:14 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3h44dm$4lm@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: saucer.cc.umr.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Paulette (IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU) wrote: : I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a hive or at : least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more : rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just : wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while : actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. : Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? : SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly : now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette Have been been in beekeeping for 20 years now. Probably I've been stung more as a kid when I wasn't beekeeping than now. I assume it's cause I'm a little smarter. With a average of 20 hives, I'd say I get stung maybe 2-5 times a year. One summer I was a state beehive inspecter so I was tearing apart 20-50 hives a day for 3 months. Some of these suckers were REALLY MEAN! even so I was only stung badly on one occasion (~10 stings) besides that I'd say I was only stung 5 times the whole summer. BTW, I wore coveralls, zipped veil and gloves for all this As long as you don't work bees in the late evening or before a bad storm U should be all right assuming your haves aren't hellswarms. and assuming U are careful not to squash bees to get their kill instinct going. RVL From rvan@saucer.cc.umr.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:41 EST 1995 Article: 1265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!hptemp1.cc.umr.edu!rvan From: rvan@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Robert Van Leeuwen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey solids??? Date: 6 Feb 1995 03:23:41 GMT Organization: UMR Missouri's Technological University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3h44nt$4lm@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: saucer.cc.umr.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] OK OK I know. this is ag.beekeeping, not ag.honey, but I have an odd question anyway... My wife bought some a honey-whole wheat bread mix (U just add water) I looked at the ingredients and saw that it had more rice and soy flour than wheat flour and the only ingredient that had ANYTHING to do with honey was the very last one which said: honey solids. Now I've been in beekeeping for 20 years, and have never heard of this. Anybody have a clue as to what honey solids would be??? Robert VL From psevern@iccu6.ipswichcity.qldgov.au Fri Feb 10 22:25:42 EST 1995 Article: 1266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iccu6!news From: Phil Severn Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Sender: news@ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:34:49 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp1.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au References: <9502050156591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> Organization: Global Infolinks Internet Server, Ipswich Qld Australia Lines: 32 rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) wrote: > > In article <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU > (Paulette) writes: > I am fascinated by bees and am thinking about getting a > hive or at > least trying to get some experience working with bees in a more > > > rural environment (I live in suburban Los Angeles). I am just > > wondering, though, how much beekeepers tend to get stung while > > actually working with the bees--extracting honey, for example. > > Would ten or twenty stings be average? Do you get used to them? > > SHould I try building up immunity by getting stung increasingly > > now? Or is it just not a problem? Thanks, Paulette > > > > I suggest that you start by wearing gloves etc. I know that some beekeepers do > not but they are old hands at it. When I had hives the most I ever got stung > was one day 9 times on the ankel. Most of the time I would be able to work > with them without getting stung at all. however I always wore veil and gloves > and long sleeve shirt even in the summer in Phoenix. > > If you have a severe reaction to bee stings you might want to think about some > other hobby. While I concur with most of what your advice said, I don't agree about getting another hobby. I have an allergic reaction to bee stings, admittedly it has settled down over the years, but it never stopped me from enjoying it as a hobby. I have on average 15 hives and working with a mate we work 40 - 50 hives. While I wear the full protection my mate only puts his gear on when the bees get agro. Maybe because the weather is reasonably constant in temperature over here (Australia) that seems to be the trend, only wear the gear when you have to. So I get pretty hot when working the hives but as I said I still enjoy it as a hobby. Phil S. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:43 EST 1995 Article: 1267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: does honey turn hair grey? Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <950206170607838@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 73 |-----------------|Fzyenath@chip.Ucdavis.Edu (geeta Bharathan)refer#: None wrote: >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: does honey turn hair grey? >Date: 6 Feb 1995 02:25:44 GMT >Organization: University of California, Davis > >This should be the group that can answer this question. The mythology in >my husband's side of the family is that honey turns hair grey; I think it >only makes it sticky. Does anyone here have a good answer (referenced, if >possible)? >I posted this question on sci.bionet, got two contradictory answers and >one suggestion that I try this group. > >Geeta Bharathan |-------------------------------------| Hello Geeta, Naah, most of the old beekeepers I know, and some of the more aggressive young ones have little hair at all. So if anything the stress of beeing a beekeepers may result in the loss of hair, but the gray seems to come on with the seasons and not the work. Though antidotal, if honey causes any change in the beekeeper or loyal honey consumers metabolic behaviour it is a increase in the libido or sex drive. A unsophisticated scientific study yet to be published will show that there is a natural inert ingredient in Honey that increases the sexual energy in adults, and recommendations should be added to the federal nutritional statements on the label that the use of "honey should be limited in use by adults to one pound per person per week". Federal law prohibits me from going into greater detail on the recommendations because it is a human health issue, but I will say Honey's use internally is well documented and the external use is still in the experiential stages. We do recommend the Honey Hair conditioners alone with the normal internal ingestion on a daily basis. If consumption is more then 16 ounces per week, internally, caution should be used in advanced social behaviour and interactions to prevent unwanted circumstances of such behaviour and all the normal precautions should be used in adult relations. Some honey has to have more of these inert ingredients then others, but because of the high cost of doing this kind of research and a limited budget due to hard times only one brand was tested, SUE BEE Clover Honey, and Aunt Sue's Natural brands. Due to the limited supply of honey world wide it behoves us all to keep this information confidential within the industry as roomers could start a run on honey depleting the supply for people who really are in need of it. Through the cooperation of the California Department of Health, much has been done to reduce the amount of honey fed infants, increasing the supply for people on the down side of life's scale. We are still looking for volunteer field testers, and anyone who has consumed at least a pound of honey a week for one year of any variety will be considered as a test subject for an additional years study. But again to limitations on budgets and the limited supply of Honey, testers will have to supply their own honey and write their own reports. ______________________ (//////////////////////) (//////////////////////) Andy- Field Research Department /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ Wild Bee's BBS 209-826-8107 | Wild Flower! | "We eat what we produce." | | | _ _ \ / | | | |_| | __ _ \/ | (c)permission to reproduce, granted. | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | Written opinions are not necessarily fact. | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | Check your facts before expressing opinion. | | | Product of USA..16oz | |________________________| From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:45 EST 1995 Article: 1268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey solids??? Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:28:00 GMT Message-ID: <950206170608839@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 43 |-----------------|Rvan@saucer.Cc.Umr.Edu (robert Van Leeuwen)refer#: None wrote: >From: rvan@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Robert Van Leeuwen) >Subject: Honey solids??? >Date: 6 Feb 1995 03:23:41 GMT > >My wife bought some a honey-whole wheat bread mix (U just add water) >I looked at the ingredients and saw that it had more rice and soy flour >than wheat flour and the only ingredient that had ANYTHING to do with >honey was the very last one which said: honey solids. > >Now I've been in beekeeping for 20 years, and have never heard of this. >Anybody have a clue as to what honey solids would be??? > > > Robert VL |-------------------------------------| Sounds like the Honey in that bread is the one who prepares and cooks it. Some of these companies who trade on the good name of Honey will tell you if asked that the honey has to be added by you in the glaze as in Honey Cross Buns, its a rip off, looks like a double rip off to me. Normally by law the ingredients are listed in descending order as to amounts of each. Few labels will list the actual amounts, but the new nutritional labels do help if your concern is in empty calories or fiber and fats. If a ingredient is not listed it can be assumed it does not contain that ingredient or is in violation of the US Federal Food Labeling Laws. I just would not buy this product, and for sure read the label before purchase of any other. As a beekeeper I would do a little more and write the company and express my opinion at being ripped off by them. Also I would not hesitate to let others know what the brand name of the product was and who made it so the rest of us don't get ripped off. Their defence will be that you could have read the small print on the label of ingredients before you purchased it, and not assumed that the product would not, if prepared as directed produce a "Honey" of a whole-wheat bread minus the honey and dam little wheat. Who knows they may send you a 10 cents off coupon on your next purchase. From danb@blkbox.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:46 EST 1995 Article: 1269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:27:59 -600 (CST) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> I've only kept bees for 2 years, but I've noticed that my bees are crankiest on really hot days. All I had to do was quietly remove the telescoping cover and they'd be all over me. I learned that in the middle of our hot Texas summers to get out and do my thing before 9am. And wearing gloves dosen't mean a thing. When my bees are in the mood, they'll sting right through. (whoops-maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that! You learn to love them tho'......stings and all....:-) Cynthia in Houston From kcm999@arts.usask.ca Fri Feb 10 22:25:47 EST 1995 Article: 1270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!arts.usask.ca!kcm999 From: kcm999@arts.usask.ca (Keith Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1915 1st ed Phillips Beekeeping F.S. Date: 7 Feb 1995 04:28:29 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3h6std$5ii@tribune.usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: arts.usask.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a copy of E.F. Phillips Beekeeping : A discussion of the Life of the Honeybee and the production of Honey (MacMillan, 1915) for sale. This is an old withdrawn (long ago I think) library copy with no dust cover. Larry Connors priced a 1943 printing of this book at U.S. $40.00 (see Connor Letter), I'd look at offers over U.S. $50.00. (Has wonderful line drawings of bees, plants and equipment.) I also have a copy of the 34th ed of ABC - XYZ of Bee Culture (1972) for U.S. $12.00 ($16.00 Canadian) Prices are post paid. From david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Feb 10 22:25:48 EST 1995 Article: 1271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: david macfawn Subject: Re: 2 questions Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:50:31 GMT Lines: 53 There was a recent article in either Bee Culture or American Bee Journal on overwintering in buildings. It was within the last 3-4 months so if you find someone with past issues you can probably find the article. On the Miller method, you may want to call Cornell and ask. Cornell also has an excellent 5-6 page brouchure on raising queens in colder climates with excellent pictures. I remember reading or seeing some literature on the Miller method...maybe it was in one of the books from Dadant/Brushy Mountain Bee Supply/or Walter T Kelley Rgds, Dave M. >==========AVRIL BIRD, 1/30/95========== > >I am posting this for my Father-in-Law (please bear in mind that >he barely >knows what a computer is so his questions may seem a little >weirdly phrased). > > >"Hi. One of the requirements of a bee keeping operation is the >availability >of queen bees. A 40 hive operation, as a hobby, is no different. >Hives die >and new starter hives (nucs) have to be made. Replacement of >old queens >gives new genes to a dwindling hive. Can anyone pass on >information about >the miller method of queen raising?" > >"Beekeeping can be fun but not always in the winter, and why is >asked? The >answer is survival rate. A 40 hive operation with a survival rate of >85% >can be costly. Try 50% for the last two years. Somewhere >around $1000 to >$1500 to replace these with no chance to increase to a greater >number. >I am considering overwintering bees inside a building with fan >systems and a >temp. of 4-7 degrees C. Anyone with any experiences?" > >Thanks, > >Avril Bird for >Norman Bird >Wolfville, Nova Scotia > david macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-632-7409 From jcooper@infinet.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:49 EST 1995 Article: 1272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis yemenitica Date: 9 Feb 1995 02:13:04 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3hbtng$hn7@horus.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have just been apprised of the possible existence of the species Apis yemenitica. Said to flourish in Yemen south of Saudi Arabia's Empty Quarter, this honeybee may have originated in Ethiopia. My education would be almost complete if people who have personal knowledge of this bee were to share something of their experience with others on this newsgroup. -- ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:50 EST 1995 Article: 1273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:09:45 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3h95kp$q4q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Dan Buchsbaum wrote: >I've only kept bees for 2 years, but I've noticed that my bees are >crankiest on really hot days. All I had to do was quietly remove the >telescoping cover and they'd be all over me. Hello Cynthia, Did you use smoke? Judicious use of smoke will calm the nastiest colonies. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From ricks@mathworks.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:51 EST 1995 Article: 1274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!NewsWatcher!user From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book suggestions for beginner in Northeast Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 08:17:26 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spada-ppp.mathworks.com I'm seeking suggestions for a book on beekeeping. I am planning on keeping bees this year, and would like a good reference to have at hand. Ideally, the book would cover the various stages of management, diseases, and harvesting. Private E-mail is fine. I will repost a tally of the suggestions I receive. Thanks. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-653-1415 ___ Fax: 508-653-2997 _________________ From killoran@ll.mit.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:52 EST 1995 Article: 1275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!llnews.ll.mit.edu!usenet From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help needed choosing bees for new hive Date: 09 Feb 1995 14:09:55 GMT Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab -- Lexington, MA Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: Hi, I just finished my first year as a beekeeper. I have one hive wintering with Starline bees. They did very well last year, almost 100 pounds of honey! Of course, they started on foundation so I feel it was quite a good year. Now I'm planning on adding another hive and I'd like to select a strain (is that the right word?) that is visually different from my Starlines. You may wonder why I don't get another package of Starlines as they did so well for me; As I'm doing this mostly for fun, getting something different seems like fun. I believe Starlines are derived from Caucasian. What would be a good choice here? A friend said Buckfast is a good choice, anyone know if they look different from the Starlines? If it matters, I'm located a bit west of Boston. Also, is there any reason that I shouldn't mix bee types in the same apiary? -Mike Killoran An aside: When I first heard the name 'Buck fast' I thought that whoever named them should really take a marketing class! I could picture someone who just whipped up a new strain for profit thinking 'Hmmm, this should make me a fast buck... maybe I'll call them Buckfast. Now knowing they were developed in Buckfast, England makes my imaginary scheme less likely... -- Mike Killoran Zen says: killoran@ll.mit.edu Cease to do evil, (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) Try to do good. From syoung@unix1.netaxs.com Fri Feb 10 22:25:54 EST 1995 Article: 1276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!netaxs.com!unix1.netaxs.com!syoung From: syoung@unix1.netaxs.com (Resampling; syoung) Newsgroups: misc.education.science,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican Subject: Papers on Resampling Wanted (p02075) Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Feb 1995 16:42:21 GMT Organization: Netaxs Internet BBS and Shell Accounts Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3has9d$3hh@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix1.netaxs.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.education.science:2163 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1276 sci.anthropology.paleo:2418 sci.aquaria:11287 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:1050 Have you written any papers in your field applying the bootstrap or other resampling methods of statistical inference to your data? If so, we would like to make them available to researchers and teachers through our Web site (also Gopher and FTP) devoted to resampling methods, software and pedagogy. Please contact syoung@netaxs.com for more information. Peter Bruce, Resampling Project, University of Maryland From MC5810@mclink.it Fri Feb 10 22:25:55 EST 1995 Article: 1277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: I.N.E.A. Ist.Naz.Econ.Agraria Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Questionnaire On Expert Syst. Date: Tue, 07 Feb 95 15:26:05 CET Organization: MC-link - Italian Dial-Up Online Service Lines: 308 Message-ID: <792167165.MC5810@mclink.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Dear Colleagues, We are two researchers from the National Institute of Agricultural Economics in Rome (Guido Bonati) and the University of Trento, Italy (Carl Uhrik). We have been involved in software classification and in adoption of software by farmers and extension agents (G. Bonati) and expert system development (Carl Uhrik). We are interested in investigating the main features of expert systems development and their adoption (or non-adoption) by farmers and extension agents. We are sending you therefore, with the following message, a questionnaire on these topics. We are asking for 10-15 minutes of your time to reply to all the questions. Since the questions are numbered, the quickest way to reply is writing an e-mail with question numbers followed by the an- swer. Replies may be sent to Guido Bonati (mc5810-mclink.it). As an incentive and a reward for your help and cooperation, we shall send to all respondents a copy of Farmsoft 1994 (2nd edition of the international catalogue for agricultural software), prepared by a team of experts from 8 countries (mainly European), containing a description of the best computer programs for agriculture. Sincerely Yours, Guido Bonati and Carl Uhrik Guido Bonati Istituto Nazionale di Economia Agraria Via Barberini 36 Roma - Italy Ph.: ++39 6 4870793 Fax: ++39 6 483488 e-mail: mc5810@mclink.it Carl Uhrik Universita' degli Studi di Trento Laboratorio di Ingegneria Informatica Via Fortunato Zeni 8 Rovereto (Trento) - Italy Ph.: ++39 464 443140 Fax: ++39 464 443141 e-mail: carl@lii.unitn.it ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Questionnaire 1. Name of the expert system: ______________________________________ 2 a. What type of activity is your system intended for? 1 PRODUCTION 2 SERVICES 3 OTHER (please specify) __________________ 2 b. What range of activities does the system address? If the system is intended for PRODUCTION activities, answer as follows: A FARMS B PRODUCER COOPERATIVES C INPUT INDUSTRIES D PROCESSING INDUSTRIES If your system is intended for SERVICES activities, answer as follows: A ADVISORY SERVICES B AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPEMENT ACTIVITIES C TECHNICAL AND MANAGEMENT SUPPORT 2 c. What specific sector does your system address? For FARM PRODUCTION or ADVISORY SERVICES, please answer as follows: 00 in general 51 plant production in general 52 arable crops 01 animal production in general 53 vegetable growing 02 animal production dairy cattle 54 flowers growing 03 animal production beef cattle 55 arboriculture in general 04 animal production pigs 56 arboriculture fruit production 05 animal production sheeps & goats 57 arboriculture viticulture & olive 06 animal production buffaloes 58 greenhouses 07 animal production poultry and rabbit 59 foil cultivation 08 animal production others 60 timber trees in general 61 forestry 63 plant production others For INPUT INDUSTRIES, please answer as follows: 00 in general 01 animal feed sector 02 nursery sector 03 contractor and machinery cooperatives For AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES SERVICES, please answer as follows: 00 in general 01 advisory service organization 02 agricultural research 03 extension 04 education and vocation training For PRODUCER CO-OPERATIVES, PROCESSING INDUSTRIES, TECHNICAL AND MANAGEMENT SUPPORT SERVICES and OTHER, please specify sector: _________________ 2 d. What general function does the system perform? A book keeping N agrometeorology B staff management O irrigation C machinery management P delivery management D farm planning Q marketing management E management of cultures & activities R project development F husbandry management S laboratory management G livestock feeding T law H feed preparation & automatic distribution U farmer union management I plant monitoring and automation V research project management J farm management analysis W fiscal drag K land use X environmental conservation L soil dressing y energy analysis M plant protection & weed control Z others 3. Goal of the ES: 4. Description of the agricultural features/problems dealt with by the ES 5. Composition of the ES development team: How many ? ( 0 if none ) a) extension agent __________ b) knowledge engineer __________ c) software developer __________ d) agricultural economist __________ e) researcher __________ f) university professor __________ g) others (specify _____________________) __________ 6. Time required for development Years Months a) identification __________ __________ b) conceptualization __________ __________ c) formalization __________ __________ d) implementation __________ __________ e) testing __________ __________ 7. Hardware platform used for: a) development ___________________________________________________ b) testing ___________________________________________________ 8. Software tools used a) shells _________________________________________ b) programming language _________________________________________ c) induction algorithms _________________________________________ d) databased _________________________________________ e) GUI _________________________________________ f) other tools _________________________________________ 9. Complexity of the system Source Code (number of lines of procedural code or scripts): Knowledge Base (number of rules, decision tree nodes, database entries, or otherwise - please specify number and units): 10. User interface and/or system environment a) natural language _________________________________________ b) character-based _________________________________________ c) menu-driven _________________________________________ d) GUI _________________________________________ e) on-line help _________________________________________ i) Access to summaries of keys, menu-options, commands, etc.? _____ ii) Optional explanations regarding the meaning of terminology used? _____ iii) HYPERTEXT ? ____________ iv) Ability to view knowledge base ? _______ v) Ability to view/explain reasoning chain? ______ vi) Other (please specify)? ________________________________ 11. Intended user: a) farmer _______ b) extension _______ c) student _______ d) farmers' organization _______ e) researcher _______ f) other (please specify)_______________________________________ 12. Acceptance by the user: a) low _______ b) moderate _______ c) high _______ 13. Number of users: a) < = 5 _______ b) 6 - 10 _______ c) 10 - 50 _______ d) 50 - 500 _______ e) > 500 _______ 14. Promotional efforts: a) meetings; b) mailings; c) involvement of extension; d) articles in technical magazines; e) articles in scientific reviews; f) involvement of private companies. 15. Cost for distribution: a) free b) fee for runtime; (specify __________) c) fee for the ES (specify __________) 16. Characterization of the system: a) success; b) partial success; c) failure Explain why _________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:56 EST 1995 Article: 1278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nov. 1994 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:21:13 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 442 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ NOVEMBER, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT Don't miss the annual meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Association in Marshalltown November 11 and 12th. Its the best beekeepers meeting all year long. Send in the pre-registration form on page 7 soon for the early bird discount. USDA's Dr. Bill Wilson, University of Minnesota's Gary Reuter, American Bee Journal Editor Joe Graham and other speakers will be well worth the time and expense of attending the meeting. Remember that the business meeting will be held on Friday afternoon. Come prepared to vote for the beekeepers who will best represent beekeeping in your area and the state as a whole as officers and on the board of directors. This is your organization, so be a participant. This is your best opportunity. The inspection season has pretty much come to an end for this year. The big news has been a better honey crop and colony losses this fall due to the Varroa mite. Come hear the details at the annual meeting. State Fair was really a success this summer. John Johnson will give us all the figures at the business meeting. If you do not help at the State Fair honey booth you miss out on a great experience and way to promote our products and beekeeping. The phone calls coming into the office concerning those pesky "bees" (really yellowjacket wasps) have finally slowed down. I hope a lot of them die over the winter. The wasps really put a cramp on people's life style this summer and fall, plus costing homeowners a great deal to exterminate. You should be finished with feeding colonies this fall. Colonies should have Apistan strips in them. The colonies need exposure to the miticide during this broodless period to reduce the Varroa mite population significantly. The new label for Apistan calls for a longer treatment period (6-8 weeks). All colonies should be given Terramycin in dust or grease patty formulation this fall. Colonies should be physically protected from the wind and cold. Some beekeepers use tarpaper wraps, corrugated cardboard covers, special hive blankets or your own invention to protect hive from the elements. Also important is the placement of hives out of the wind and in the sun. To complete preparing your colonies for winter, put in an entrance reducer to keep out mice and put a 1-inch thick styrofoam insulation board under the cover. SENATOR BROWN'S OWN SUBSIDY There is no doubt a great deal of chortling under way this week in some of the nation's rice paddies, cow pastures, cotton fields and perhaps especially its honey farms. The laughter can be summoned with one word: Brown. As in Senator Hank Brown, who has admitted to accepting federal money not to plant crops on farmland he owned in Colorado -- while simultaneously demanding an end to other agricultural subsidies. Honey producers may be in greatest danger of splitting their sides as they recall some of the senator's pronouncements on their particular subsidy, now deceased. "Shall we be taxed to pay for honey subsidies?" The senator once wondered aloud, in tones reminiscent of colonist's blasts against King George. Then ...: "Bees will retain their interest in honey whether we have a federal program or not." Sweet sentiments, though now the senator is in for a bit of stinging. News stories reveal Brown and his wife have accepted a total of $32,158 after agreeing not to plant crops on some of their Colorado properties. To make the revelations even richer, it happens that the program the Browns took advantage of was supported by Brown during his days as a representative. None of this, we should point out, is in violation of any rule, but it does have a barnyard odor about it. (taken from "The Minnesota Beekeeper, Summer 1994": "Synopsis from the Rocky Mountain News, March 15 Editorials") YOUR NEIGHBOR BEEKEEPER (excerpted from Dallas County News 9/94) ADEL--Honeybees have fascinated Weiser for 73 of his 83 years. Stanley Weiser is a walking, talking encyclopedia when it comes to understanding honeybees. He should be. After all, beekeeping has been his hobby for 73 of his 83 years on this earth, and his dedication has been enough to earn him the top blue ribbon four years running in beekeeping competition at the Iowa State Fair. He was a 10-year old lad in Grimes when his grandfather, Charles Weiser, gave him his first swarm of bees. "As a little energetic kid, I was helping him take off some honey and Grandad saw the interest I had, even though I knew nothing about bees. He said, 'Would I like a swarm?' and he gave me my first swarm of bees." Weiser said his grandfather warned him that "beekeeping is a very technical business." "You don't just keep bees, you take care of them or you don't get anything," Weiser recalls his grandfather saying. He made an appointment with a professional beekeeper in Grimes, learned the technical aspects and put all of his energy into building up his apiary. Today, Weiser has more than 40 swarms. The nearby Wright's Orchard "depends on my bees to pollinate," Weiser said. "Country Gardens is also using, without realizing it, the pollination of my millions of bees." He had the best honey crop since 1988 this year which was welcome after last year's total disaster. Weiser sells his honey at several locations throughout Dallas County, and starts each day with a biscuit drenched in honey. BEATING BEET SUGAR IN HONEY (National Honey Board article) The financial drain of economic adulteration in the food industry is substantial -- adulterated products depress prices. Detecting inexpensive sweeteners in honey is difficult but worthwhile. Thanks to work conducted previously by Dr. Jonathan White and others, the honey industry already had the ability to detect cane and corn syrups added to honey. The honey industry was, however, unable to detect the presence of sweeteners from other sources, such as beets. In 1991, the honey industry coordinated efforts and raised money to fund a research project to detect beet syrup and other commercial inexpensive sweeteners in honey. Funds were provided by members of the National Honey Packers and Dealers Association, the American Beekeeping Federation and Sioux Honey Association. Dr. Jill Snowdon, the Honey Board's scientific consultant, supervised the research project, which was conducted by Dr. Nicholas Low. As a result of Dr. Low's work, six out of seven known inexpensive sweeteners can now be detected in honey. The following is a true story of how one member of the honey industry used the testing method developed by Dr. Low along with other detection technology to identify honey diluted with an inexpensive sweetener. A honey seller and a honey buyer agreed to certain purchasing specifications. Those specifications included the need for the honey to have a fructose to glucose ratio greater than 1. (Fructose to glucose ratios for pure honey are generally greater than 1.) When the buyer received the load of honey, the honey was tested and found to have fructose to glucose ratios of 0.94, 0.95 and 0.96. Per the agreement, the buyer exercised his right to reject this seller's honey. Since the test results were so close to 1, and because some pure honey has a lower ratio, the seller suggested that the honey be submitted for further testing. The honey was submitted for a SIRA test for cane and corn syrup. SIRA for the honey was -23.9 and the SIRA on the protein fraction was -24.1. As these two numbers are less than one unit apart, the honey was judged to be free of corn syrup. Next, the honey was tested using Dr. Low's capillary gas chromatography technique. The results indicated the presence of invert sugar (probably from beets) at a level of about 15 percent. Without using the capillary gas chromatography technique, this diluted honey would have passed as pure honey. Since the buyer did not want to compete against honey that was rejected, he obtained a guarantee from the seller that the product not be sold in the United States as pure honey. This issue was settled without the involvement of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration based on the buyer's opinion that the seller was operating in good faith. NOTICE: New American Bee Journal subscription rate as of Oct. 1. 1 year ($16.95) Assn. member rate $12.70 2 years ($31.40) Assn. member rate $23.55 HONEY-BAKED BEANS (Midwest Living recipe) 2 16- or 21-oz cans baked beans 2 tablespoons honey 3/4 cup barbecue sauce 3/4 teaspoon paprika 2 tablespoons chopped onion 3/4 teaspoon dry mustard 3 cooked bacon slices, crumbled HONEY OF A VERSE No shade, no shine, no butterflies, no bees, No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds, -- November! by Thomas Hood CENTRAL IOWA BEEKEEPERS Meeting at Royal Cafe in Huxley Saturday, December 10th 5:30 meal 6:30 program 128TH STATE HORTICULTURAL MEETING Past-president Paul Goossen represented IHPA at the Iowa State Horticultural Society Annual Awards Meeting in Pella September 10th. The meeting was preceeded by tours of Pella's Historical Village, the Vermeer Apple Orchard, and Pella Nursery and Greenhouse. About 100 horticulture enthusiasts enjoyed a noon meal and the annual awards and business meeting at the Pella Opera House. The day provided several oportunities to explain the importance of bee pollination in fruit and vegetable production with growers attending the meeting. HONEY DAYS AT THE DES MOINES BOTANICAL CENTER The Iowa Honey Producers Association sponsored "Honey Days" October 29-30 at the Des Moines Botanical Center. Visitors were treated to a free piece of honey candy, honey recipes, and a chance to view the inside workings of a beehive without getting stung. The loveable "Buzzy Bear" mascot was there for the kids along with the Amana Colony Honey Queen, Melinda Okerberg. Honey bears, jars of honey and honey cookbooks were available for purchase. The Des Moines Botanical Center is open 10 - 5 daily. 1994 MINNESOTA STATE FAIR AWARD-WINNING RECIPE Jan Olson Honey Glazed Snack Mix 4 cups Rice or Corn Chex cereal (or Crispix) 1 1/2 cups miniature Pretzels (mini-bites) 1 cup pecan halves 1/3 cup butter or margarine 1/4 cup honey In large mixing bowl, combine dry ingredients. Melt the butter in small saucepan, stir in honey and boil well. Pour over the mixture and stir to coat evenly. Spread in a jelly roll pan (or 2 9x13 pans). Bake at 350 degrees for 12-15 minutes or until lightly glazed, stirring occasionally. Cool slightly. Spread on wax paper to cool completely. Break into chunks. PUSH "Promote United States Honey" At the annual meeting of the American Honey Producers Association (AHPA) January 1994 in Tuscon a new slogan was born: "Promote United States Honey" (PUSH) according to the April AHPA magazine. "It is time to push for PUSH," according to AHPA president Richard Adee. "We U.S. beekeepers are the best, and we produce our honey under the worst working conditions in the world" Adee went on to say. The AHPA executive committee voted to increase beekeepers' awareness of the PUSH program at their July meeting. The committee seeks the attention of every beekeeping association in the country, so that beekeepers may be made aware of the need for promotion of honey from the United States. Dick Blake, AHPA executive committee member from Iowa, said "Many beekeepers are unaware of the PUSH program and need to promote their own products." The program is designed ultimately to increase sales of American honey. FOR SALE: 350 pounds of '94 crop honey in 5 gallon containers. Contact Rick Boyer, Rt. 1, Stanton, IA 51573 (712) 829-2144. HONEY GRANOLA 4 cups old-fashioned rolled oats 2 cups coarsely chopped nuts 1 cup golden raisins 3/4 cup honey 1/2 cup butter or margarine 2 teaspoons ground cinnamon 1 teaspoon vanilla Dash salt Combine oats, nuts and raisins in large mixing bowl; mix well and set aside. Combine honey, butter, cinnamon, vanilla and salt in saucepan; bring to boil and cook one minute. Pour honey mixture over oat mixture and toss until well blended. Spread in lightly greased cookie sheet. Bake at 350 degrees 20 minutes or until lightly browned; stir every 5 minutes. Cool. Crumble and store in airtight container up to 2 weeks. Makes 8 cups. (NHB recipe) PUMPKIN PIE 3/4 cup honey 1 1/2 cup water 3/4 cup powdered milk 1 1/2 cup cooked pumpkin 1/2 teaspoon salt 2 eggs, beaten 1/2 teaspoon cinnamon 2 tablespoons melted butter 1/2 teaspoon mace 1/2 teaspoon ginger 1/4 teaspoon cloves 1 9" unbaked pie shell Mix dry ingredients well to prevent streaking. Add remaining ingredients. Blend thoroughly. Pour into pie shell. Bake 15 minutes at 425 degrees in preheated oven. Reduce to 350 degrees and bake 40 minutes longer. (from Honey Recipes by Gordon Rudloff, State Apiculturist, Reynoldsburg, Ohio) DARK CHOCOLATE FUDGE 1 14 oz. can sweetened and condensed milk 2 12 oz. bags semisweet chocolate chips 1/3 cup Sue Bee Honey 1 teaspoon vanilla 1/2 cup chopped walnuts Spray 9x9x2 inch baking dish with no-stick coating. Melt chips, sweetened and condensed milk and Sue Bee Honey over medium heat. Remove from stove and stir in vanilla and nuts. Cool and cut into squares. Store in a cool place. (from The Sue Bee Honey Cook Book) IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ANNUAL MEETING NOVEMBER 11 AND 12, 1994 Regency Inn U.S. 30 & Iowa Hwy. 14 Marshalltown, Iowa Motel Phone (515) 752-6321 PRE-REGISTRATION FORM (must be mailed by Nov. 5th) Name: ______________________________________________________________ Company Name: ______________________________________________________ Address:______________________________City: ________________________ State: ___________ Zip: ________-_______ Phone: ( ) _____________ No. of Colonies:_____ Years Beekeeping:______ Year joined IHPA:_____ Individual Member ($10 at the door) $ 8.00 $____________ Family Rate ($20 at the door) $15.00 $____________ Non-member $15.00 $____________ Membership dues 5.00 $____________ (Membership required to vote at business meeting.) Banquet Friday night 7:00 p.m. $12.00 each $____________ ============= TOTAL ____________ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Make check payable to: Iowa Honey Producers Association. Send form and check to: J. Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer 4012 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FRIDAY, November 11 8:00 a.m. Short Board of Directors Meeting 8:15 a.m. Registration - $10 for members and $20 family rate 8:45 a.m. President's Welcome Leroy Kellogg Honey Cooking Contest 9:00 a.m. Beekeeping in Agriculture Dale Cochran Iowa Secretary of Agriculture 9:30 a.m. State Apiarist Report Bob Cox 10:15 a.m. BREAK (Door prizes following) 10:45 a.m. What's new in mite control Dr. William T. Wilson 11:45 a.m. LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Comb Honey Production John Johnson 1:45 p.m. BUSINESS MEETING (Election of Officers) 3:00 p.m. Bee Research at the Univ. of Minnesota Gary Reuter 4:00 p.m. Local Assn. & Area Crop Reports Local Associations 5:00 p.m. Adjourn --visit vendors 7:00 p.m. BANQUET $12.00 1. Blessing on Food: Paul Goossen 2. Introduction of new officers - Leroy Kellogg 3. State Fair Awards - Bob Cox 4. Cooking Contest Results - Leroy Kellogg 5. Guest Speaker: Bill Wilson - "30 years of day dreaming and other happenings" Banquet Menu (served to you at your table): Tossed Salad with Honey House Dressing Honey-Glazed Ham Steak with Pineapple ring, raisin sauce and cherry AuGratin Cheese Potatoes Broccoli and Cauliflower Hot Roll with Butter Dutch Apple Pie topped with Honey Ice Cream Coffee, Tea or Milk SATURDAY, November 12 8:00 a.m. Visit Vendors 9:00 a.m. Niche Marketing of Honey Sherry Jennings National Honey Board 10:00 a.m. BREAK 10:15 a.m. American Bee Journal Joe Graham 11:00 a.m. Beekeeping Gadgets & Gizmos Gary Reuter 12:00 noon LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Beeswax Art Laverne Greenfield 2:00 p.m. Pollination of Iowa Crops Paul Goossen 3:00 p.m. Adjourn DARK CHOCOLATE FUDGE 1 14 oz. can sweetened and condensed milk 2 12 oz. bags semisweet chocolate chips 1/3 cup Sue Bee Honey 1 teaspoon vanilla 1/2 cup chopped walnuts Spray 9x9x2 inch baking dish with no-stick coating. Melt chips, sweetened and condensed milk and Sue Bee Honey over medium heat. Remove from stove and stir in vanilla and nuts. Cool and cut into squares. Store in a cool place. (from The Sue Bee Honey Cook Book) From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:57 EST 1995 Article: 1279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oct. 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:26:25 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 374 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ OCTOBER, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT I hope you have had a satisfactory honey crop this summer. As a rule the southern part of the state was better than the northern part this year. Additionally, this year's crop is generally better than last year's. It's time to think about getting colonies put away for winter and attending the annual meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Assoc. Although it is a busy time of year, getting honey extracted and bottled, do not neglect the bees or making plans to attend the annual meeting in Marshalltown November 11-12. As you prepare hives for winter, be sure to treat for the Varroa mite. When out inspecting I am seeing increasing numbers of colonies dying from Varroa mite infestations. It appears that the Varroa is a vector for brood diseases. I saw one beekeeping outfit that had a high Varroa mite level and European foulbrood symtoms, while another beekeeper whose bees were heavily infested with Varroa had no EFB but a lot of Sacbrood disease. I have included an article on Formic Acid treatment for mites on page 6. This material is not registered for use in the U.S. but I thought it would be interesting to share with you what they are doing in Canada. The author, Kerry Clark, works in the province of British Columbia. There is an attempt to get EPA approval on formic acid here in the U.S. in the near future. It seems that the wheels of EPA grind ever so slowly. Read the article on wintering bees taken from Dr. Basil Furgala's Basic Management Manual and written with Dr. Marla Spivak on page 3. It is written for Minnesota winters but Iowa is not that different. SMOKING BEES by Francis Bowen The use of the smoker has an unusual fascination to many outsiders and also to some of our own beekeepers, some of whom do not realize what they are doing when they perform this necessary function prior to entering a hive. Smoking bees should be a gentle procedure somewhat akin to working bee frames. We are not attempting to burn out these bees or trying to incinerate them, which is what it appears to neophyte beekeepers and strangers. Smoking the bees interferes with detection of the alarm pheromone (Isopentyl acetate) by guard bees. Bees detect lowering oxygen levels in the hive and start tanking up (filling their honey crop) with honey in preparation for absconding. When oxygen levels rise to normal, they relax and revert to other normal activities. A hive which proves to be testy (defensive) may be calmed by the introduction of a small piece of empty comb into the combustion chamber of the smoker. A exceptionally defensive colony may be placed under submission by the introduction of some nitrogenous fertilizer into the combustion chamber of the smoker. This action creates nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and care must be exercised because excessive doses will render bees unconscious or even dead. Beekeepers should avoid inhaling these fumes to prevent becoming hysterical while working bees. Some of the materials useful for fueling the smoker are listed below: * Corn Cobs(chopped) * Burlap (washed to remove pesticides used on some products) * Baler twine (natural, NOT plastic) washed or weathered to remove pesticides * Long leaf pine needles (my favorite - I love the odor when it blows back at me.) * Oil filter cartridge (insides of used filters - cool white smoke) dried. * Fine wood chips * Small twigs * Dry rotten wood * Any old rags (except WOOL, which gives off toxic fumes) * Dry tree leaves * Untreated Straw * Uncolored paper (rolled) * Sumac bobs (Bobs and pine needles will cause buildup of creosote in smoker) * Mushrooms dried (Puffball mushrooms have a hallucinogenic effect on bees.) * Corrugated cardboard (Medium sized openings between layers) rolled tight and bound with string or tape. After smoker has been started and burning briskly, lay smoker onto its side to quench flames (if left too long in this position it will go out.) However, before transporting in a vehicle, place a cork in the end of the smoker to be sure it is extinguished. It is very embarrassing to be pulled over by a police car and be informed that you are on fire (usually only some smoke from a hard to quench smoker). The ideal is to have a metal container to place the smoker inside to prevent a possible fire from an excessively hot smoker, while you are driving home. (Taken from the October 1993 Connecticut Honey Bee) BE CAREFUL WITH FIRE The tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! The tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature and it is set on fire by hell. (James 3:5-6) WINTERING BEES IN MINNESOTA - Dr. Marla Spivak September 1. In early September, following the honey harvest, select colonies to be wintered. The colonies to be wintered should consist of three deep hive bodies (2 to 2 1/2 in Iowa). Each colony must have a large adult bee population (cover 10-15 frames) and have a young productive queen of European origin. (This is one of Dr. Furgala's Four Principles of Productive Beekeeping.) Position the entrance reducer using the 1/4" x 3" opening facing the bottom hive body. 2. In early September, inspect each colony. Determine whether there are adequate food reserves (another Principle) for winter. 75-90 lbs. of honey are required and 3-5 frames of pollen are desirable (gross hive weight of 180-200 lbs.) 3. Determine whether the winter honey reserves are properly located within the three deep hive bodies. The top hive body should have approximately 45 lbs. of honey distributed so that seven outside frames are full of honey, and the two center frames have some empty cell s just abvouve their bottom bars to encourage cluster movement. There should be approximately 35 lbs. of honey distributed toward the outside in the middle hive body and 10-20 lbs in the bottom hive body. 4. It is often difficult to determine whether there are adequate pollen reserves because pollen is often stored under honey. An insufficient amount of pollen is remedied by feeding pollen substitute and/or supplement in late winter and early spring. 5. When preparing colonies for winter, avoid using light-colored combs, especially in the top hive body. This will not be a problem if the hive bodies are reversed at the beginning of the major nectar flow. October 6. Before mid-October feed a minimum of two gallons of 2:1 sugar syryp containing Fumadil-B to ensure that colonies remain disease free (a 3rd Principle) during winter. Extra unmedicated syrup may also be necessary if colonies contain less than the optimal food reserves. 7. If the bees were not treated for Varroa and/or tracheal mites in the spring, they should be treated now, using registered treatments (Apistan strips for Varroa mites and menthol for tracheal mites. Recent research indicates that extender "grease" patties with terramycin are also effective against tracheal mites.) Provide the menthol as early as possible to take advantage of the warmer weather earlier in the season. November 8. Approximately November 1 plug the auger holes in the bottom two supers with corks or masking tape, but leave the hole in the top super open for ventilation and as an emergency exit. 9. Remove the telescoping outer cover. Place an insulite board over the inner cover. This acts as a moisture-releaser that allows moisture to escape from the hive during winter. It also provides for a dead-air space on top of the colony. 10. Place a commercial winter carton over the hive. A black carton made of cardboard or plastic is sufficient and effective. Replace the telescoping outer cover and secure with a rock. The outer cover should not "telescope" over the winter carton. Cut a hole in the winter carton that is aligned with the upper entrance. 11. It is desirable to have a dead-air space under the hive such as that provided by a commercial hive stand. 12. If a good apiary site was chosen, protection from prevailing winds, good air drainage and full sunlight will help ensure successful wintering. 13. All colonies not selected for wintering should be killed when fall brood rearing has stopped (approx. Nov. 1). This equipment should be inspected, repaired, cleaned and properly stored. Many people are amazed that bees can winter well in Minnesota with only a thin black cardboard covering as "insulation." Dr. Furgala did quite a lot of research on wintering and found that heavy wrapping with straw and tarpaper did not significantly improve wintering success. If the bees are kept in three deep hive bodies with 75-90 lbs. of honey stores and a young queen, are provided an upper entrance and an insulite board to help reduce moisture build-up, are located in a good apiary site and treated for diseases and mites, they will make it through winter in fine style. WANTED: 40-gal. s/s clarifying tank (w/water-jacket) Call Phil Ebert in Lynnville at (515) 527-2639. FOR SALE: Hive wraps: Black plastic box covers $5 @, black waxed cardboard covers $3.50 @, and manila waxed cardboard covers $1 @. Call Kenny Loeb (319) 827-1481 after 7:00 p.m. 434 87th St., Jesup, IA 50648. HONEY COOKING CONTEST Once again this year we will hold a "Cooking with Honey" Contest at our Annual Meeting. Enter your favorite dish in the following categories: drinks, desserts, main dishes, salads, cookies and snacks. Please provide a copy of the recipe and your name for each item entered on a 3x5" or 4x6" index card. These cards should be turned into the judges by 9:00 a.m. Friday November 11th. Please type or print clearly so others can understand how you made such a delicious food item. ANNUAL MEETING SET FOR NOVEMBER 11 AND 12 Pre-register for the Annual Meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Association IHPA and save a couple of bucks this year. We are offering an early bird rate of $8.00 for individual members and $15.00 for the whole family if registration form and check is mailed by October 31st. See the pre-registration form and tentative schedule on pages 7 and 8. You will not want to miss this meeting. Come and you will get the "buzz" on the latest beekeeping information and news. Note that we are meeting at the Regency Inn in Marshalltown the second weekend of November. Additionally, the annual business meeting will be conducted on Friday afternoon (November 11th) for a change. This year the banquet will be served "sit-down" style, instead of being herded through a line, in dormitory cafeteria style. Many of the dishes will contain honey. Dr. Bill Wilson will entertain us with interesting stories from his years of experience. IHPA has reserved a block of 25 rooms with two beds until October 15th. Rates are $50 for a single and $57 for a double. If you want a one-bed room, you will have to ask. Call the Regency Inn to make room reservations at (515) 752-6321. PACKERS AND DEALERS LAUNCH HONEY QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM The National Honey Packers and Dealers Association has formed the Honey Quality Assurance Task Force to insure that every container of honey sold in the U.S. is 100 percent pure honey, whether the honey is domestic, imported or blended. The task force will oversee the development of a honey quality assurance program and establish procedures for obtaining funds for its support. The NHPDA has allocated $20,000 to launch the quality assurance program. Funds to support the program will be obtained from members of the NHPDA as well as from non-member honey packers on a voluntary basis. Beginning in 1995, the 40 members of the association will be assessed five cents per hundred weight on honey sold during the previous calendar year. The total budget for the initial program is expected to be $70,000. Funds will be used to develop standards for honey, specify testing methods for honey, monitor honey sold in the U.S. market and set enforcement procedures. The honey quality assurance program will be fair and equitable. The Honey Quality Assurance Task Force members include the NHPDA Executive Committee and representatives of the national beekeeping associations, Sioux Honey Association and the National Honey Board. The next meeting of the task force will coincide with the California State Beekeepers Association meeting on Nov. 18 in Tahoe, California. For more information on the honey quality assurance program, please contact Dick Sullivan at the NHPDA, (908) 583-8188. IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ANNUAL MEETING NOVEMBER 11 AND 12, 1994 Regency Inn U.S. 30 & Iowa Hwy. 14 Marshalltown, Iowa Motel Phone (515) 752-6321 PRE-REGISTRATION FORM Name: ______________________________________________________________ Company Name: ______________________________________________________ Address:______________________________City: ________________________ State: ___________ Zip: ________-_______ Phone: ( ) _____________ No. of Colonies:_____ Years Beekeeping:______ Year joined IHPA:_____ Individual Member ($10 at the door) $ 8.00 $____________ Family Rate ($20 at the door) $15.00 $____________ Non-member $15.00 $____________ Membership dues 5.00 $____________ (Membership required to vote at business meeting.) Banquet Friday night 7:00 p.m. $12.00 each $____________ ============= TOTAL ____________ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Make check payable to: Iowa Honey Producers Association. Send form and check to: J. Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer 4012 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FRIDAY, November 11 8:00 a.m. Registration - $10 for members and $20 family rate 8:45 a.m. President's Welcome Leroy Kellogg Honey Cooking Contest 9:00 a.m. Beekeeping in Agriculture Dale Cochran Iowa Secretary of Agriculture 9:30 a.m. State Apiarist Report Bob Cox 10:15 a.m. BREAK (Door prizes following) 10:45 a.m. What's new in mite control Dr. William T. Wilson 11:45 a.m. LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Comb Honey Production John Johnson 1:45 p.m. BUSINESS MEETING (Election of Officers) 3:00 p.m. Bee Research at the Univ. of Minnesota Gary Reuter 4:00 p.m. Local Assn. & Area Crop Reports Local Associations 5:00 p.m. Adjourn --visit vendors 7:00 p.m. BANQUET $12.00 1. Blessing on Food: Paul Goossen 2. Introduction of new officers - Leroy Kellogg 3. State Fair Awards - Bob Cox 4. Cooking Contest Results - Leroy Kellogg 5. Speaker: Bill Wilson - "30 years of day dreaming and other happenings" Banquet Menu (served to you at your table): Tossed Salad with Honey House Dressing Honey-Glazed Ham Steak with Pineapple ring, raisin sauce and cherry AuGratin Cheese Potatoes Broccoli and Cauliflower Hot Roll with Butter Dutch Apple Pie topped with Honey Ice Cream Coffee, Tea or Milk SATURDAY, November 12 8:00 a.m. -Visit Vendors 9:00 a.m. Niche Marketing of Honey Sherry Jennings National Honey Board 10:00 a.m. BREAK 10:15 a.m. American Bee Journal Joe Graham 11:00 a.m. Beekeeping Gadgets & Gizmos Gary Reuter 12:00 noon LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Beeswax Art Laverne Greenfield 2:00 p.m. Pollination of Iowa Crops Paul Goossen 3:00 p.m. Adjourn From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:25:58 EST 1995 Article: 1280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sept. 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:28:37 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 374 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ OCTOBER, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT I hope you have had a satisfactory honey crop this summer. As a rule the southern part of the state was better than the northern part this year. Additionally, this year's crop is generally better than last year's. It's time to think about getting colonies put away for winter and attending the annual meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Assoc. Although it is a busy time of year, getting honey extracted and bottled, do not neglect the bees or making plans to attend the annual meeting in Marshalltown November 11-12. As you prepare hives for winter, be sure to treat for the Varroa mite. When out inspecting I am seeing increasing numbers of colonies dying from Varroa mite infestations. It appears that the Varroa is a vector for brood diseases. I saw one beekeeping outfit that had a high Varroa mite level and European foulbrood symtoms, while another beekeeper whose bees were heavily infested with Varroa had no EFB but a lot of Sacbrood disease. I have included an article on Formic Acid treatment for mites on page 6. This material is not registered for use in the U.S. but I thought it would be interesting to share with you what they are doing in Canada. The author, Kerry Clark, works in the province of British Columbia. There is an attempt to get EPA approval on formic acid here in the U.S. in the near future. It seems that the wheels of EPA grind ever so slowly. Read the article on wintering bees taken from Dr. Basil Furgala's Basic Management Manual and written with Dr. Marla Spivak on page 3. It is written for Minnesota winters but Iowa is not that different. SMOKING BEES by Francis Bowen The use of the smoker has an unusual fascination to many outsiders and also to some of our own beekeepers, some of whom do not realize what they are doing when they perform this necessary function prior to entering a hive. Smoking bees should be a gentle procedure somewhat akin to working bee frames. We are not attempting to burn out these bees or trying to incinerate them, which is what it appears to neophyte beekeepers and strangers. Smoking the bees interferes with detection of the alarm pheromone (Isopentyl acetate) by guard bees. Bees detect lowering oxygen levels in the hive and start tanking up (filling their honey crop) with honey in preparation for absconding. When oxygen levels rise to normal, they relax and revert to other normal activities. A hive which proves to be testy (defensive) may be calmed by the introduction of a small piece of empty comb into the combustion chamber of the smoker. A exceptionally defensive colony may be placed under submission by the introduction of some nitrogenous fertilizer into the combustion chamber of the smoker. This action creates nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and care must be exercised because excessive doses will render bees unconscious or even dead. Beekeepers should avoid inhaling these fumes to prevent becoming hysterical while working bees. Some of the materials useful for fueling the smoker are listed below: * Corn Cobs(chopped) * Burlap (washed to remove pesticides used on some products) * Baler twine (natural, NOT plastic) washed or weathered to remove pesticides * Long leaf pine needles (my favorite - I love the odor when it blows back at me.) * Oil filter cartridge (insides of used filters - cool white smoke) dried. * Fine wood chips * Small twigs * Dry rotten wood * Any old rags (except WOOL, which gives off toxic fumes) * Dry tree leaves * Untreated Straw * Uncolored paper (rolled) * Sumac bobs (Bobs and pine needles will cause buildup of creosote in smoker) * Mushrooms dried (Puffball mushrooms have a hallucinogenic effect on bees.) * Corrugated cardboard (Medium sized openings between layers) rolled tight and bound with string or tape. After smoker has been started and burning briskly, lay smoker onto its side to quench flames (if left too long in this position it will go out.) However, before transporting in a vehicle, place a cork in the end of the smoker to be sure it is extinguished. It is very embarrassing to be pulled over by a police car and be informed that you are on fire (usually only some smoke from a hard to quench smoker). The ideal is to have a metal container to place the smoker inside to prevent a possible fire from an excessively hot smoker, while you are driving home. (Taken from the October 1993 Connecticut Honey Bee) BE CAREFUL WITH FIRE The tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! The tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature and it is set on fire by hell. (James 3:5-6) WINTERING BEES IN MINNESOTA - Dr. Marla Spivak September 1. In early September, following the honey harvest, select colonies to be wintered. The colonies to be wintered should consist of three deep hive bodies (2 to 2 1/2 in Iowa). Each colony must have a large adult bee population (cover 10-15 frames) and have a young productive queen of European origin. (This is one of Dr. Furgala's Four Principles of Productive Beekeeping.) Position the entrance reducer using the 1/4" x 3" opening facing the bottom hive body. 2. In early September, inspect each colony. Determine whether there are adequate food reserves (another Principle) for winter. 75-90 lbs. of honey are required and 3-5 frames of pollen are desirable (gross hive weight of 180-200 lbs.) 3. Determine whether the winter honey reserves are properly located within the three deep hive bodies. The top hive body should have approximately 45 lbs. of honey distributed so that seven outside frames are full of honey, and the two center frames have some empty cell s just abvouve their bottom bars to encourage cluster movement. There should be approximately 35 lbs. of honey distributed toward the outside in the middle hive body and 10-20 lbs in the bottom hive body. 4. It is often difficult to determine whether there are adequate pollen reserves because pollen is often stored under honey. An insufficient amount of pollen is remedied by feeding pollen substitute and/or supplement in late winter and early spring. 5. When preparing colonies for winter, avoid using light-colored combs, especially in the top hive body. This will not be a problem if the hive bodies are reversed at the beginning of the major nectar flow. October 6. Before mid-October feed a minimum of two gallons of 2:1 sugar syryp containing Fumadil-B to ensure that colonies remain disease free (a 3rd Principle) during winter. Extra unmedicated syrup may also be necessary if colonies contain less than the optimal food reserves. 7. If the bees were not treated for Varroa and/or tracheal mites in the spring, they should be treated now, using registered treatments (Apistan strips for Varroa mites and menthol for tracheal mites. Recent research indicates that extender "grease" patties with terramycin are also effective against tracheal mites.) Provide the menthol as early as possible to take advantage of the warmer weather earlier in the season. November 8. Approximately November 1 plug the auger holes in the bottom two supers with corks or masking tape, but leave the hole in the top super open for ventilation and as an emergency exit. 9. Remove the telescoping outer cover. Place an insulite board over the inner cover. This acts as a moisture-releaser that allows moisture to escape from the hive during winter. It also provides for a dead-air space on top of the colony. 10. Place a commercial winter carton over the hive. A black carton made of cardboard or plastic is sufficient and effective. Replace the telescoping outer cover and secure with a rock. The outer cover should not "telescope" over the winter carton. Cut a hole in the winter carton that is aligned with the upper entrance. 11. It is desirable to have a dead-air space under the hive such as that provided by a commercial hive stand. 12. If a good apiary site was chosen, protection from prevailing winds, good air drainage and full sunlight will help ensure successful wintering. 13. All colonies not selected for wintering should be killed when fall brood rearing has stopped (approx. Nov. 1). This equipment should be inspected, repaired, cleaned and properly stored. Many people are amazed that bees can winter well in Minnesota with only a thin black cardboard covering as "insulation." Dr. Furgala did quite a lot of research on wintering and found that heavy wrapping with straw and tarpaper did not significantly improve wintering success. If the bees are kept in three deep hive bodies with 75-90 lbs. of honey stores and a young queen, are provided an upper entrance and an insulite board to help reduce moisture build-up, are located in a good apiary site and treated for diseases and mites, they will make it through winter in fine style. WANTED: 40-gal. s/s clarifying tank (w/water-jacket) Call Phil Ebert in Lynnville at (515) 527-2639. FOR SALE: Hive wraps: Black plastic box covers $5 @, black waxed cardboard covers $3.50 @, and manila waxed cardboard covers $1 @. Call Kenny Loeb (319) 827-1481 after 7:00 p.m. 434 87th St., Jesup, IA 50648. HONEY COOKING CONTEST Once again this year we will hold a "Cooking with Honey" Contest at our Annual Meeting. Enter your favorite dish in the following categories: drinks, desserts, main dishes, salads, cookies and snacks. Please provide a copy of the recipe and your name for each item entered on a 3x5" or 4x6" index card. These cards should be turned into the judges by 9:00 a.m. Friday November 11th. Please type or print clearly so others can understand how you made such a delicious food item. ANNUAL MEETING SET FOR NOVEMBER 11 AND 12 Pre-register for the Annual Meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Association IHPA and save a couple of bucks this year. We are offering an early bird rate of $8.00 for individual members and $15.00 for the whole family if registration form and check is mailed by October 31st. See the pre-registration form and tentative schedule on pages 7 and 8. You will not want to miss this meeting. Come and you will get the "buzz" on the latest beekeeping information and news. Note that we are meeting at the Regency Inn in Marshalltown the second weekend of November. Additionally, the annual business meeting will be conducted on Friday afternoon (November 11th) for a change. This year the banquet will be served "sit-down" style, instead of being herded through a line, in dormitory cafeteria style. Many of the dishes will contain honey. Dr. Bill Wilson will entertain us with interesting stories from his years of experience. IHPA has reserved a block of 25 rooms with two beds until October 15th. Rates are $50 for a single and $57 for a double. If you want a one-bed room, you will have to ask. Call the Regency Inn to make room reservations at (515) 752-6321. PACKERS AND DEALERS LAUNCH HONEY QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM The National Honey Packers and Dealers Association has formed the Honey Quality Assurance Task Force to insure that every container of honey sold in the U.S. is 100 percent pure honey, whether the honey is domestic, imported or blended. The task force will oversee the development of a honey quality assurance program and establish procedures for obtaining funds for its support. The NHPDA has allocated $20,000 to launch the quality assurance program. Funds to support the program will be obtained from members of the NHPDA as well as from non-member honey packers on a voluntary basis. Beginning in 1995, the 40 members of the association will be assessed five cents per hundred weight on honey sold during the previous calendar year. The total budget for the initial program is expected to be $70,000. Funds will be used to develop standards for honey, specify testing methods for honey, monitor honey sold in the U.S. market and set enforcement procedures. The honey quality assurance program will be fair and equitable. The Honey Quality Assurance Task Force members include the NHPDA Executive Committee and representatives of the national beekeeping associations, Sioux Honey Association and the National Honey Board. The next meeting of the task force will coincide with the California State Beekeepers Association meeting on Nov. 18 in Tahoe, California. For more information on the honey quality assurance program, please contact Dick Sullivan at the NHPDA, (908) 583-8188. IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ANNUAL MEETING NOVEMBER 11 AND 12, 1994 Regency Inn U.S. 30 & Iowa Hwy. 14 Marshalltown, Iowa Motel Phone (515) 752-6321 PRE-REGISTRATION FORM Name: ______________________________________________________________ Company Name: ______________________________________________________ Address:______________________________City: ________________________ State: ___________ Zip: ________-_______ Phone: ( ) _____________ No. of Colonies:_____ Years Beekeeping:______ Year joined IHPA:_____ Individual Member ($10 at the door) $ 8.00 $____________ Family Rate ($20 at the door) $15.00 $____________ Non-member $15.00 $____________ Membership dues 5.00 $____________ (Membership required to vote at business meeting.) Banquet Friday night 7:00 p.m. $12.00 each $____________ ============= TOTAL ____________ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Make check payable to: Iowa Honey Producers Association. Send form and check to: J. Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer 4012 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FRIDAY, November 11 8:00 a.m. Registration - $10 for members and $20 family rate 8:45 a.m. President's Welcome Leroy Kellogg Honey Cooking Contest 9:00 a.m. Beekeeping in Agriculture Dale Cochran Iowa Secretary of Agriculture 9:30 a.m. State Apiarist Report Bob Cox 10:15 a.m. BREAK (Door prizes following) 10:45 a.m. What's new in mite control Dr. William T. Wilson 11:45 a.m. LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Comb Honey Production John Johnson 1:45 p.m. BUSINESS MEETING (Election of Officers) 3:00 p.m. Bee Research at the Univ. of Minnesota Gary Reuter 4:00 p.m. Local Assn. & Area Crop Reports Local Associations 5:00 p.m. Adjourn --visit vendors 7:00 p.m. BANQUET $12.00 1. Blessing on Food: Paul Goossen 2. Introduction of new officers - Leroy Kellogg 3. State Fair Awards - Bob Cox 4. Cooking Contest Results - Leroy Kellogg 5. Speaker: Bill Wilson - "30 years of day dreaming and other happenings" Banquet Menu (served to you at your table): Tossed Salad with Honey House Dressing Honey-Glazed Ham Steak with Pineapple ring, raisin sauce and cherry AuGratin Cheese Potatoes Broccoli and Cauliflower Hot Roll with Butter Dutch Apple Pie topped with Honey Ice Cream Coffee, Tea or Milk SATURDAY, November 12 8:00 a.m. -Visit Vendors 9:00 a.m. Niche Marketing of Honey Sherry Jennings National Honey Board 10:00 a.m. BREAK 10:15 a.m. American Bee Journal Joe Graham 11:00 a.m. Beekeeping Gadgets & Gizmos Gary Reuter 12:00 noon LUNCH (on your own) 1:00 p.m. Beeswax Art Laverne Greenfield 2:00 p.m. Pollination of Iowa Crops Paul Goossen 3:00 p.m. Adjourn From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:00 EST 1995 Article: 1281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aug. 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:30:19 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 428 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ AUGUST, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT We now have two field inspectors working in the western part of the state and the 12th of the month we will start inspecting in northeastern Iowa. We are looking for an experienced beekeeper to inspect for about 6-8 weeks this fall and 6-8 weeks next spring in the northcentral, central and/or the southeast part of the state. The beekeeper must reside in one of those areas to qualify. If you are interested or have any suggestions for someone who might be, give me a call at 515-281-5736. The honey flow has slowed considerably since June. However, many beekeepers are reporting a good crop from clover already and are hoping for some late flows from soybeans and wildflowers. The southeast part of the state looks to be the best, especially considering that they have had almost no crop for four years. This is a good time of the season to take some of that nice light colored honey off the hives and keep it separate. The extraction process is much simpler with fewer robbing bees and the honey temperature warmer. This is also a good time to prepare products to enter in the State Fair. All you need is six jars of honey, sections of comb honey, a frame of honey, a 3-pound chunk of beeswax, candles, or an observation beehive to enter. Fill out the entry form in last month's newsletter and send in with the nominal entry fee. If you need help getting entries to the fair in Des Moines, let me know, and I'll see if I can find someone else in your area who is coming to the fair. BOOK REVIEW: Almond Pollination Handbook by Joe Traynor You might ask why should an Iowa beekeeper be interested in a handbook on almond pollination. I'll give you two reasons. 1.) Many of the principles of pollinating almonds also apply to pollinating any crop, especially other tree fruits. 2.) The demand for honey bees to pollinate California almonds and the opportunity to earn some cash during an off-time of the year may be attractive to some Iowa beekeepers. The book is divided into two sections, the first section for the almond grower and the second for the beekeeper. Topics for the grower include: orchard design for pollination, renting bees, pollination management, bee removal and alternate insect pollinators. This section makes this book the ideal gift for an orchardist for which you are currently providing pollination services or a prospective customer. A similar manual for fruit growers in Iowa (primarily, apples and some cherries, pears, plums, peaches and apricots) would certainly be valuable. The section written for the beekeeper covers topics such as pollination agreements, state regulations, theft, bee delivery, pesticides, preparing colonies, bee removal, time and duration of bloom and grower-beekeeper communication. This 86-page handbook is well written and printed on nice glossy paper, well organized for easy reference, and has some nice color photography. And last, but not least, the price is right-- $7.00 (which includes shipping and handling). To obtain a copy send a check to Kovak Books, P.O. Box 1422, Bakersfield, CA 93302. LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of Southern Iowa and Northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the "Inn of the Six Toed Cat." Dinner will be served at 6 p.m. and the program to follow at 7 p.m. "The Honey Market: What's Out There?" will be the theme of the conference. Lisa Terry, the 1994 American Honey Queen from Northfield, Minnesota, will be one of the guest speakers for the evening. Joining her will be Leon Metz, honey packer from Hazel Green, Wisconsin. Do join us for dinner and for this timely program. For further details and reservations contact: Ann Garber 515/872-3119 by Tuesday, September 6th. The fourth annual Honey-Walnut Classic will be held the following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. on the east portico of the "Inn" in Allerton. This popular event honors the historic "Iowa-Missouri Honey War, 1838-1841." NATIONAL HONEY BOARD ANNUAL MEETING HELD The National Honey Board held its annual meeting in Denver June 17. The Board elected Neil Miller, Blackfoot, Idaho, as its new chairman during the meeting. Randy Johnson, Nampa, Idaho, was elected as vice president and Steve Klein, Marshall, Minnesota, was re-elected as secretary/treasurer. Two additional Board members, Binford Weaver, Navasota, Texas, and Larry Krause, Riverton, Wyoming, were elected to serve on the Board's Executive Committee. The Executive Committee is responsible for the conduct of duties and policies outlined by the National Honey Board. The Board administers an industry-funded national research, promotion and consumer information program to increase domestic honey consumption and U.S. honey exports. The board member's work at the meeting also included allocating funds for the 1995 plan year. "The Board will be reviewing the Committee's work this fall," said Neil Miller, chairman of the National Honey Board. "Before the Board spends a dime, we review the program plans to ensure that they uphold the Board's mission -- to support a strong and viable domestic honey industry by creating a dynamic marketplace for honey and honey products." 4-H ESSAY CONTEST NEEDS ENTRIES (from June 1994 APIS newsletter) What does it take to get 4-Hers to sit down and write an essay? That's the burning question those at the American Beekeeping Federation (ABF) and myself are asking after looking at the results of last year's 4-H essay contest. Only fifteen (15) states submitted winners and (Iowa) was not among them. In addition, the vast majority of these states had only one to two entries to choose from. There are three top cash prizes each year ($250, $100 and $50), plus the winner in each state is awarded a book on beekeeping. This boils down to one fact: there's a great opportunity to win something by simply entering! The rules for this year's contest have just been announced. The topic this year is much different than from previous contests. The essayist is asked to write an original story on honey bees suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. Suggested titles include: The Busy Little Bee, I Like Honey, A Trip to the Apiary, or My Friend, the Beekeeper. There's plenty of time to get a story together for this year's contest; deadline is April 1, 1995! Full contest rules are available from Bob Cox, State Apiarist, phone 515-281-5736 or the ABF Office, phone 912-427-8447. A BEGINNER'S BAIT HIVES by Peter Coyle Having read in John Vivian's book, Keeping Bees, about "bees for free," by placing bait hives in trees and then, again in the Aebi's book about their bait hives, my Scottish parsimony took over. Last year I made my first swarm trap and was excited when some scout bees started sniffing around and into it. However, some of Walt Disney's beloved delinquent squirrels knocked on wood, tasted it and found it good, wherein the bees departed. Unable to harass my bees during the winter, I turned to collecting on bait hives, which being a novice in the beekeeping game, is my substitute for knowledge. I got Cornell's, "Bait Hives for Honey Bees" by Seeley, Morse and Nowogrodzki and could just see the bees rolling in. Then there were the articles by Schmidt, Thoenes and Hurley, from the American Bee Journal, which explained the importance of pheromone lures, which I just knew I had to have. I could visualize all those winter clusters of bees over half of Iowa impatient to zoom into my traps. However, a catalog price of twenty dollars for what they described as being made of inexpensive material, and what I gathered would only be a kind of paper mache, deep, brood box, sent me to the workshop with cardboard and thin plywood scraps to construct an alternative. I had read that a volume roughly the size of a deep hive body was most favored, (although recently opinion has changed). Climbing ladders and trees with a full box of bees required the box to be as light as possible. Everything I made had a coating, externally, of roof cement, thinned with mineral spirits to sicken the squirrels off and I capped each hive with a lid made from discarded aluminum soffit to keep everything dry. Internally, each had homemade rough frames of standard dimension with a waxed starter strip which would easily transfer to a deep hive body. I then sat and itched for Spring. The last week in April, I was out with the ladder visiting friends who might have suitable spots in trees about ten to twelve feet up, with morning sun and afternoon shade, just as the literature suggested. Now, at the end of June, I have had three swarms from one hive and two from another, with scout bees still buzzing around the emptied boxes. The first swarm, which I weighed like a proud father, was five and a half pounds and made some nice comb honey for me. The last one, which was so big it filled the whole trap and had a pound or two of bees still outside, I collected in a screened box using a funnel and transferring it to a medium super of foundation and two round section supers at dusk, feeling exhilarated beyond measure. However, the next day, when I looked in the afternoon, they were gone, leaving me as devastated as I had been exhilarated. Too late, I now have two homemade entrance guards. In collecting one swarm which had started to build comb from the bottom of the trap, I missed the open sack on the end of a pole, held helpfully by my companion and neighbor, Cheryl, and brushed a couple pounds of less than happy bees on her head. This made me more acquainted with the language of liberation. Two other bait hives in suburbia have never had a snifter so far. Perhaps in bee real estate the three most important things are location, location and location. My experience, limited as it is, suggests that I should err on the large side with the boxes, worrying less about the spaces around the frames, as the bees are unlikely to construct burr comb between inspections, although one swarm built comb on about a third of nine frames in just a couple of days. The mistakes I made were very instructional, if humbling. Ah, but just wait until next year. FOR SALE: 7 bee hives, two-story plus misc. equipment. Contact Raymond and Jo Whitwood, Muscatine. phone (319)263-0992. FOR SALE: 55-gallon drums $6.00 each; 20 or more $5.00 each. Call Harry Hunter in Des Moines at (515)266-1984. FOR SALE: Stainless 8-frame extractor with Dayton electric motor, cappings knife and misc. supers, frames, lids & boxes. Asking $200/offer. If interested call Des Moines at (515)270-8726, leave message if no answer. FOR SALE: Kelley electric, vibrating uncapping knife with electric motor $175; Kelley steam vibrating uncapping knife $125; Dadant electric stainless mini-melter $350; C.C. Pollen Co. traps used only one season $30 each. Call Monroe Neihart near Clarinda (712)582-3200. FOR SALE: Qualitly Section Comb Honey in Cartons $1.90 each. Call Stanley Weiser, 2674 - 303rd Pl. in Adel. Ph: (515)993-3126. "Butter and HONEY shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good." (Isaiah 7:15) CALENDAR OF EVENTS AUGUST 11-21 Iowa State Fair Apiary Exhibit, 2nd Floor of Agriculture Building, State Fairgrounds, Des Moines Open daily 9:00 a.m.- 9:00 p.m. Come see the best! SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 9-10 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. 12 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 15 Scott County Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. at Riefes Restaurant, Locust St., Davenport. 17 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting at Royal Cafe in Huxley. Buffet dinner at 5:30 p.m., Business Meeting 6:30 p.m. and Program at 7:30 p.m. (We will try again to show the Bee Emergency Video.) NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. FOR SALE: Home Study Course "Rearing Honey Bee Queens in the Northern U.S." (with manual and video tape) by Dr. Marla Spivak and Gary S. Reuter, the University of Minnestota. $40.00 Contact Dept. of Entomology, University of Minnesota, Hodson Hall, St. Paul, MN 55108-6125 or call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-4798. Dear Beekeeper Friends, I am writing this short announcement to let you know of the recent loss of my father, Russell Stephenson of Williams, Iowa. He died suddenly in his home on May 19th at the age of 77. As some of you know, he sold his business, "Stephenson Honey Farms" in 1993 and retired. He loved the beekeeping business and being able to work in the outdoors. He offered great assistance and advise to several beekeepers and those interested in the field during his life. My father enjoyed talking to many of you over the years and sharing the constant cares and concerns of the Midwest beekeeper. [Editor: I certainly enjoyed getting to know Mr. Stephenson when inspecting his equipment for the sale. He had an efficient way to handle frames during the extracting process and developed a unique way of removing excess moisture from his honey after it was extracted and checked his own bees for tracheal mites with his microscope. He certainly applied his engineering skills learned in his silo construction company to the beekeeping business.] Thanks for being a special part of my father's life!! He will be greatly missed! -Thomas Russell Stephenson and The Stephenson Family OTHER INSECTS OCCUPYING BEE HIVES Sometimes beekeepers may become alarmed or at least concerned about insects other than honey bees inside their hives. At times the beekeeper may see cockroaches, ants, beetles, spiders and wax worms (moth larvae) occupying their bee hives. As a general rule healthy, populous colonies are not damaged by these insect guests. Many times wax moths are blamed for the death of colonies. This is almost never the case in Iowa. The wax moth larvae are nature's clean-up crew after a colony dies. This can actually be helpful if the colony died from American foulbrood disease by reducing the probability of spreading the disease to neighboring colonies. The best way to prevent damage to your combs after the colony has died is to keep an eye on your bees and pick up any empty hive equipment from the beeyard. The primary problem beekeepers encounter is in storing empty beeswax comb, especially brood comb during the warm summer months. A few years ago several products were available for fumigating or treating stored beeswax combs. These products are designed to kill insects, therefore fumigated combs should always be aired out for a few hours before placing them on the bees. Most recently, the product "Paramoth" (PDB - Paradichlorobenzene) is no longer available for bee equipment. I've heard conflicting reports from beekeeping supply houses as to the fate of registration of this product for treatment of beeswax combs. One story is that PDB is a carcinogen and EPA has withdrawn registration for use on beeswax. Another beekeeping supply dealer says they will have approval from EPA to sell PDB later this fall. Outside of using chemical products, combs can be placed in a deep freezer for a few days to kill any adult moths, larvae or eggs. Additionally, the moths do not like light or fresh air. Therefore, storing combs in a way that they are exposed to both of these elements may be of some help. Light colored combs from honey supers are pretty safe from the moths. Another system that may work for you is to keep empty comb stored on the colonies where the bees will keep the moths out during the warm months (June, July, August, September and October). Then, bring in empty equipment and store in an unheated building for the winter and nature will give them a cold treatment. Dear Iowa Honey Promoter: Along with getting your honey harvested, it's time to plan to promote your state's beekeeping or honey exhibit at your local fair or festival. To aid in honey promotions Media kits are available from the National Honey Board by contacting Sherry Jennings, Industry Relations Director at (303)776-2337. Media kits include: a story on pollination, newsreleases, summer recipe tips and two new recipe leaflets -- "Bringing You Nature's Bounty Is Our Line" and "Make Magic in Minutes." Use the media kit to give to local newspaper editors, television news shows and radio stations the latest buzz on honey. BRINGING YOU NATURE'S BOUNTY IS OUR LINE -- Recipes from NHB. Back to Nature Cookies 1/2 cup shortening 1 cup honey 2 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla 1-3/4 cups whole wheat flour 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon cinnamon 2 cups quick-cooking oats 1/2 cup chopped nuts 1/2 cup finely chopped apple 1 cup raisins In a large mixing bowl, cream shortening and honey until fluffy. Add eggs one at a time, beating well after each addition. Stir in vanilla. In medium bowl, stir together flour, soda, baking powder, salt and cinnamon. Add dry ingredients to honey mixture, beating until smooth. Stir in oats, nuts, apple and raisins. Drop by teaspoonfuls onto greased cookie sheets about 2 inches apart. Bake at 350 F 10 to 12 minutes or until cookies are golden brown. Makes about 5 dozen. Honey Pork Chops & Apples 6 pork loin chops (about 3/4-inch thick) Salt, pepper and ground sage 2 Granny Smith or other tart apples 1 tablespoon butter or margarine 1/4 cup HONEY 6 Maraschino cherries (optional) Brown chops slowly in skillet; remove to shallow baking dish. Season chops with salt, pepper and sage. Core and slice apples into 1/2-inch rings. Add butter to skillet and saute apple rings until crisp-tender. Place 1 apple ring on each chop. Cover and bake at 300 F for 30 minutes. Drizzle honey over apples and chops; baste with drippings. Cover and bake 15 minutes longer or until pork is fully cooked. Place cherry in center of apple rings before serving. Makes 6 servings. Honey-Kissed Fruit (Microwave Method) 1/4 cup honey 1 teaspoon grated orange peel 2 fresh pears, pared, cored and halved 1 can (5-1/4 oz.) pineapple chunks, drained 1 cup each red and green grapes, halved, seeded Blend honey and orange peel; set aside. Place pears in 4 microwave-safe serving glasses; drizzle with honey mixture. Cover each glass with plastic wrap; vent. Microwave at HIGH (100%) 3 to 5 minutes or until pears are tender. Combine pineapple and grapes. Divide evenly between servings and sprinkle over pears. Serve warm or cold. Makes 4 servings. Honey Cloverleaf Rolls 1 package (16 oz.) hot roll mix 6 tablespoons honey, divided 1/4 cup butter or margarine 1 teaspoon grated lemon peel 1 cup sliced almonds Prepare dough according to package directions, adding 2 tablespoons honey to liquid. Cover kneaded dough with bowl and let stand 5 minutes. Melt butter and remaining honey; stir in lemon peel. Roll dough into 36 balls (about 1 to 1-1/2 inch diameter). Form clusters of three balls, dip each in honey mixture and then almonds. Place each cluster in well-greased muffin cup. Let rise 30 minutes or until doubled in bulk. Bake at 350 F 15 to 20 minutes or until lightly browned. Brush with honey mixture, if desired. Makes 12 rolls. Honey Cranberry Butter 1 cup butter, softened 1/4 cup HONEY 1/4 cup chopped cranberries* 1/4 cup cranberry sauce 2 tablespoons ground walnuts 1 tablespoon milk 2 teaspoons grated orange peel Cream butter and honey in medium bowl. Add cranberries, cranberry sauce, walnuts, milk and orange peel. Whip until light pink in color. Serve at room temperature; store in refrigerator, tightly covered. * Use fresh or frozen cranberries, if desired; chop before thawing. New NHB recipe folder; see page 7 for recipes. From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:01 EST 1995 Article: 1282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:32:34 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 428 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ AUGUST, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT We now have two field inspectors working in the western part of the state and the 12th of the month we will start inspecting in northeastern Iowa. We are looking for an experienced beekeeper to inspect for about 6-8 weeks this fall and 6-8 weeks next spring in the northcentral, central and/or the southeast part of the state. The beekeeper must reside in one of those areas to qualify. If you are interested or have any suggestions for someone who might be, give me a call at 515-281-5736. The honey flow has slowed considerably since June. However, many beekeepers are reporting a good crop from clover already and are hoping for some late flows from soybeans and wildflowers. The southeast part of the state looks to be the best, especially considering that they have had almost no crop for four years. This is a good time of the season to take some of that nice light colored honey off the hives and keep it separate. The extraction process is much simpler with fewer robbing bees and the honey temperature warmer. This is also a good time to prepare products to enter in the State Fair. All you need is six jars of honey, sections of comb honey, a frame of honey, a 3-pound chunk of beeswax, candles, or an observation beehive to enter. Fill out the entry form in last month's newsletter and send in with the nominal entry fee. If you need help getting entries to the fair in Des Moines, let me know, and I'll see if I can find someone else in your area who is coming to the fair. BOOK REVIEW: Almond Pollination Handbook by Joe Traynor You might ask why should an Iowa beekeeper be interested in a handbook on almond pollination. I'll give you two reasons. 1.) Many of the principles of pollinating almonds also apply to pollinating any crop, especially other tree fruits. 2.) The demand for honey bees to pollinate California almonds and the opportunity to earn some cash during an off-time of the year may be attractive to some Iowa beekeepers. The book is divided into two sections, the first section for the almond grower and the second for the beekeeper. Topics for the grower include: orchard design for pollination, renting bees, pollination management, bee removal and alternate insect pollinators. This section makes this book the ideal gift for an orchardist for which you are currently providing pollination services or a prospective customer. A similar manual for fruit growers in Iowa (primarily, apples and some cherries, pears, plums, peaches and apricots) would certainly be valuable. The section written for the beekeeper covers topics such as pollination agreements, state regulations, theft, bee delivery, pesticides, preparing colonies, bee removal, time and duration of bloom and grower-beekeeper communication. This 86-page handbook is well written and printed on nice glossy paper, well organized for easy reference, and has some nice color photography. And last, but not least, the price is right-- $7.00 (which includes shipping and handling). To obtain a copy send a check to Kovak Books, P.O. Box 1422, Bakersfield, CA 93302. LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of Southern Iowa and Northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the "Inn of the Six Toed Cat." Dinner will be served at 6 p.m. and the program to follow at 7 p.m. "The Honey Market: What's Out There?" will be the theme of the conference. Lisa Terry, the 1994 American Honey Queen from Northfield, Minnesota, will be one of the guest speakers for the evening. Joining her will be Leon Metz, honey packer from Hazel Green, Wisconsin. Do join us for dinner and for this timely program. For further details and reservations contact: Ann Garber 515/872-3119 by Tuesday, September 6th. The fourth annual Honey-Walnut Classic will be held the following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. on the east portico of the "Inn" in Allerton. This popular event honors the historic "Iowa-Missouri Honey War, 1838-1841." NATIONAL HONEY BOARD ANNUAL MEETING HELD The National Honey Board held its annual meeting in Denver June 17. The Board elected Neil Miller, Blackfoot, Idaho, as its new chairman during the meeting. Randy Johnson, Nampa, Idaho, was elected as vice president and Steve Klein, Marshall, Minnesota, was re-elected as secretary/treasurer. Two additional Board members, Binford Weaver, Navasota, Texas, and Larry Krause, Riverton, Wyoming, were elected to serve on the Board's Executive Committee. The Executive Committee is responsible for the conduct of duties and policies outlined by the National Honey Board. The Board administers an industry-funded national research, promotion and consumer information program to increase domestic honey consumption and U.S. honey exports. The board member's work at the meeting also included allocating funds for the 1995 plan year. "The Board will be reviewing the Committee's work this fall," said Neil Miller, chairman of the National Honey Board. "Before the Board spends a dime, we review the program plans to ensure that they uphold the Board's mission -- to support a strong and viable domestic honey industry by creating a dynamic marketplace for honey and honey products." 4-H ESSAY CONTEST NEEDS ENTRIES (from June 1994 APIS newsletter) What does it take to get 4-Hers to sit down and write an essay? That's the burning question those at the American Beekeeping Federation (ABF) and myself are asking after looking at the results of last year's 4-H essay contest. Only fifteen (15) states submitted winners and (Iowa) was not among them. In addition, the vast majority of these states had only one to two entries to choose from. There are three top cash prizes each year ($250, $100 and $50), plus the winner in each state is awarded a book on beekeeping. This boils down to one fact: there's a great opportunity to win something by simply entering! The rules for this year's contest have just been announced. The topic this year is much different than from previous contests. The essayist is asked to write an original story on honey bees suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. Suggested titles include: The Busy Little Bee, I Like Honey, A Trip to the Apiary, or My Friend, the Beekeeper. There's plenty of time to get a story together for this year's contest; deadline is April 1, 1995! Full contest rules are available from Bob Cox, State Apiarist, phone 515-281-5736 or the ABF Office, phone 912-427-8447. A BEGINNER'S BAIT HIVES by Peter Coyle Having read in John Vivian's book, Keeping Bees, about "bees for free," by placing bait hives in trees and then, again in the Aebi's book about their bait hives, my Scottish parsimony took over. Last year I made my first swarm trap and was excited when some scout bees started sniffing around and into it. However, some of Walt Disney's beloved delinquent squirrels knocked on wood, tasted it and found it good, wherein the bees departed. Unable to harass my bees during the winter, I turned to collecting on bait hives, which being a novice in the beekeeping game, is my substitute for knowledge. I got Cornell's, "Bait Hives for Honey Bees" by Seeley, Morse and Nowogrodzki and could just see the bees rolling in. Then there were the articles by Schmidt, Thoenes and Hurley, from the American Bee Journal, which explained the importance of pheromone lures, which I just knew I had to have. I could visualize all those winter clusters of bees over half of Iowa impatient to zoom into my traps. However, a catalog price of twenty dollars for what they described as being made of inexpensive material, and what I gathered would only be a kind of paper mache, deep, brood box, sent me to the workshop with cardboard and thin plywood scraps to construct an alternative. I had read that a volume roughly the size of a deep hive body was most favored, (although recently opinion has changed). Climbing ladders and trees with a full box of bees required the box to be as light as possible. Everything I made had a coating, externally, of roof cement, thinned with mineral spirits to sicken the squirrels off and I capped each hive with a lid made from discarded aluminum soffit to keep everything dry. Internally, each had homemade rough frames of standard dimension with a waxed starter strip which would easily transfer to a deep hive body. I then sat and itched for Spring. The last week in April, I was out with the ladder visiting friends who might have suitable spots in trees about ten to twelve feet up, with morning sun and afternoon shade, just as the literature suggested. Now, at the end of June, I have had three swarms from one hive and two from another, with scout bees still buzzing around the emptied boxes. The first swarm, which I weighed like a proud father, was five and a half pounds and made some nice comb honey for me. The last one, which was so big it filled the whole trap and had a pound or two of bees still outside, I collected in a screened box using a funnel and transferring it to a medium super of foundation and two round section supers at dusk, feeling exhilarated beyond measure. However, the next day, when I looked in the afternoon, they were gone, leaving me as devastated as I had been exhilarated. Too late, I now have two homemade entrance guards. In collecting one swarm which had started to build comb from the bottom of the trap, I missed the open sack on the end of a pole, held helpfully by my companion and neighbor, Cheryl, and brushed a couple pounds of less than happy bees on her head. This made me more acquainted with the language of liberation. Two other bait hives in suburbia have never had a snifter so far. Perhaps in bee real estate the three most important things are location, location and location. My experience, limited as it is, suggests that I should err on the large side with the boxes, worrying less about the spaces around the frames, as the bees are unlikely to construct burr comb between inspections, although one swarm built comb on about a third of nine frames in just a couple of days. The mistakes I made were very instructional, if humbling. Ah, but just wait until next year. FOR SALE: 7 bee hives, two-story plus misc. equipment. Contact Raymond and Jo Whitwood, Muscatine. phone (319)263-0992. FOR SALE: 55-gallon drums $6.00 each; 20 or more $5.00 each. Call Harry Hunter in Des Moines at (515)266-1984. FOR SALE: Stainless 8-frame extractor with Dayton electric motor, cappings knife and misc. supers, frames, lids & boxes. Asking $200/offer. If interested call Des Moines at (515)270-8726, leave message if no answer. FOR SALE: Kelley electric, vibrating uncapping knife with electric motor $175; Kelley steam vibrating uncapping knife $125; Dadant electric stainless mini-melter $350; C.C. Pollen Co. traps used only one season $30 each. Call Monroe Neihart near Clarinda (712)582-3200. FOR SALE: Qualitly Section Comb Honey in Cartons $1.90 each. Call Stanley Weiser, 2674 - 303rd Pl. in Adel. Ph: (515)993-3126. "Butter and HONEY shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good." (Isaiah 7:15) CALENDAR OF EVENTS AUGUST 11-21 Iowa State Fair Apiary Exhibit, 2nd Floor of Agriculture Building, State Fairgrounds, Des Moines Open daily 9:00 a.m.- 9:00 p.m. Come see the best! SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 9-10 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. 12 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 15 Scott County Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. at Riefes Restaurant, Locust St., Davenport. 17 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting at Royal Cafe in Huxley. Buffet dinner at 5:30 p.m., Business Meeting 6:30 p.m. and Program at 7:30 p.m. (We will try again to show the Bee Emergency Video.) NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. FOR SALE: Home Study Course "Rearing Honey Bee Queens in the Northern U.S." (with manual and video tape) by Dr. Marla Spivak and Gary S. Reuter, the University of Minnestota. $40.00 Contact Dept. of Entomology, University of Minnesota, Hodson Hall, St. Paul, MN 55108-6125 or call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-4798. Dear Beekeeper Friends, I am writing this short announcement to let you know of the recent loss of my father, Russell Stephenson of Williams, Iowa. He died suddenly in his home on May 19th at the age of 77. As some of you know, he sold his business, "Stephenson Honey Farms" in 1993 and retired. He loved the beekeeping business and being able to work in the outdoors. He offered great assistance and advise to several beekeepers and those interested in the field during his life. My father enjoyed talking to many of you over the years and sharing the constant cares and concerns of the Midwest beekeeper. [Editor: I certainly enjoyed getting to know Mr. Stephenson when inspecting his equipment for the sale. He had an efficient way to handle frames during the extracting process and developed a unique way of removing excess moisture from his honey after it was extracted and checked his own bees for tracheal mites with his microscope. He certainly applied his engineering skills learned in his silo construction company to the beekeeping business.] Thanks for being a special part of my father's life!! He will be greatly missed! -Thomas Russell Stephenson and The Stephenson Family OTHER INSECTS OCCUPYING BEE HIVES Sometimes beekeepers may become alarmed or at least concerned about insects other than honey bees inside their hives. At times the beekeeper may see cockroaches, ants, beetles, spiders and wax worms (moth larvae) occupying their bee hives. As a general rule healthy, populous colonies are not damaged by these insect guests. Many times wax moths are blamed for the death of colonies. This is almost never the case in Iowa. The wax moth larvae are nature's clean-up crew after a colony dies. This can actually be helpful if the colony died from American foulbrood disease by reducing the probability of spreading the disease to neighboring colonies. The best way to prevent damage to your combs after the colony has died is to keep an eye on your bees and pick up any empty hive equipment from the beeyard. The primary problem beekeepers encounter is in storing empty beeswax comb, especially brood comb during the warm summer months. A few years ago several products were available for fumigating or treating stored beeswax combs. These products are designed to kill insects, therefore fumigated combs should always be aired out for a few hours before placing them on the bees. Most recently, the product "Paramoth" (PDB - Paradichlorobenzene) is no longer available for bee equipment. I've heard conflicting reports from beekeeping supply houses as to the fate of registration of this product for treatment of beeswax combs. One story is that PDB is a carcinogen and EPA has withdrawn registration for use on beeswax. Another beekeeping supply dealer says they will have approval from EPA to sell PDB later this fall. Outside of using chemical products, combs can be placed in a deep freezer for a few days to kill any adult moths, larvae or eggs. Additionally, the moths do not like light or fresh air. Therefore, storing combs in a way that they are exposed to both of these elements may be of some help. Light colored combs from honey supers are pretty safe from the moths. Another system that may work for you is to keep empty comb stored on the colonies where the bees will keep the moths out during the warm months (June, July, August, September and October). Then, bring in empty equipment and store in an unheated building for the winter and nature will give them a cold treatment. Dear Iowa Honey Promoter: Along with getting your honey harvested, it's time to plan to promote your state's beekeeping or honey exhibit at your local fair or festival. To aid in honey promotions Media kits are available from the National Honey Board by contacting Sherry Jennings, Industry Relations Director at (303)776-2337. Media kits include: a story on pollination, newsreleases, summer recipe tips and two new recipe leaflets -- "Bringing You Nature's Bounty Is Our Line" and "Make Magic in Minutes." Use the media kit to give to local newspaper editors, television news shows and radio stations the latest buzz on honey. BRINGING YOU NATURE'S BOUNTY IS OUR LINE -- Recipes from NHB. Back to Nature Cookies 1/2 cup shortening 1 cup honey 2 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla 1-3/4 cups whole wheat flour 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon cinnamon 2 cups quick-cooking oats 1/2 cup chopped nuts 1/2 cup finely chopped apple 1 cup raisins In a large mixing bowl, cream shortening and honey until fluffy. Add eggs one at a time, beating well after each addition. Stir in vanilla. In medium bowl, stir together flour, soda, baking powder, salt and cinnamon. Add dry ingredients to honey mixture, beating until smooth. Stir in oats, nuts, apple and raisins. Drop by teaspoonfuls onto greased cookie sheets about 2 inches apart. Bake at 350 F 10 to 12 minutes or until cookies are golden brown. Makes about 5 dozen. Honey Pork Chops & Apples 6 pork loin chops (about 3/4-inch thick) Salt, pepper and ground sage 2 Granny Smith or other tart apples 1 tablespoon butter or margarine 1/4 cup HONEY 6 Maraschino cherries (optional) Brown chops slowly in skillet; remove to shallow baking dish. Season chops with salt, pepper and sage. Core and slice apples into 1/2-inch rings. Add butter to skillet and saute apple rings until crisp-tender. Place 1 apple ring on each chop. Cover and bake at 300 F for 30 minutes. Drizzle honey over apples and chops; baste with drippings. Cover and bake 15 minutes longer or until pork is fully cooked. Place cherry in center of apple rings before serving. Makes 6 servings. Honey-Kissed Fruit (Microwave Method) 1/4 cup honey 1 teaspoon grated orange peel 2 fresh pears, pared, cored and halved 1 can (5-1/4 oz.) pineapple chunks, drained 1 cup each red and green grapes, halved, seeded Blend honey and orange peel; set aside. Place pears in 4 microwave-safe serving glasses; drizzle with honey mixture. Cover each glass with plastic wrap; vent. Microwave at HIGH (100%) 3 to 5 minutes or until pears are tender. Combine pineapple and grapes. Divide evenly between servings and sprinkle over pears. Serve warm or cold. Makes 4 servings. Honey Cloverleaf Rolls 1 package (16 oz.) hot roll mix 6 tablespoons honey, divided 1/4 cup butter or margarine 1 teaspoon grated lemon peel 1 cup sliced almonds Prepare dough according to package directions, adding 2 tablespoons honey to liquid. Cover kneaded dough with bowl and let stand 5 minutes. Melt butter and remaining honey; stir in lemon peel. Roll dough into 36 balls (about 1 to 1-1/2 inch diameter). Form clusters of three balls, dip each in honey mixture and then almonds. Place each cluster in well-greased muffin cup. Let rise 30 minutes or until doubled in bulk. Bake at 350 F 15 to 20 minutes or until lightly browned. Brush with honey mixture, if desired. Makes 12 rolls. Honey Cranberry Butter 1 cup butter, softened 1/4 cup HONEY 1/4 cup chopped cranberries* 1/4 cup cranberry sauce 2 tablespoons ground walnuts 1 tablespoon milk 2 teaspoons grated orange peel Cream butter and honey in medium bowl. Add cranberries, cranberry sauce, walnuts, milk and orange peel. Whip until light pink in color. Serve at room temperature; store in refrigerator, tightly covered. * Use fresh or frozen cranberries, if desired; chop before thawing. New NHB recipe folder; see page 7 for recipes. From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:02 EST 1995 Article: 1283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: June 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:42:54 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 375 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ JUNE, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARISTS REPORT What a fantastic spring for the bees we have had! You can expect lots of swarming if you have not managed the bees properly. It is time to start thinking about getting supers on your colonies and preparing for the harvest. That brings up the Iowa State Fair. Get involved this year. Enter some of your best product in the apiary division or perhaps cook something with honey to enter in the food division. It doesn't matter whether your bees produce dark or light honey, liquid or comb honey, beautiful beeswax or a nice observation beehive. There is a class for everyone. Think about putting in a bid for selling honey or beeswax at the Iowa Honey Producers Association Salesbooth at State Fair. We could really use good quality product and at the same time promote our favorite industry or hobby. I am finding the Varroa mite in many places around the state this year. Beware of this mite and treat if you have them. Time is running out to treat this spring, if not already past in most areas of the state. The black locust trees are blooming now (May 23rd) and some sweet clover is starting to bloom here in central Iowa. This is the time of year to put on supers for the bees to store surplus honey. In June there are local beekeepers meetings being held in Marshalltown, Iowa City and Davenport. For specific dates, places, and times consult the "Calendar of Events." These are a great opportunity to compare notes and see how other beekeepers do things. Why not pick one closest to you and attend it? If you want to be on a list of beekeepers wanting to retrieve swarms or need bees inspected before July 1st, give me a call at (515) 281-5736. - Bob Cox CENTRAL IOWA BEEKEEPERS MEETING The Central Iowa Beekeepers Association (CIBA) will hold their summer meeting at the Anson Park Shelter House in Marshalltown June 18th at 5:30 p.m. A member appreciation meal will be cooked and served by CIBA board members for continued support of the membership. The program will follow at 6:30 p.m. featuring Bob Mitchell, Tim Laughlin and Bob Cox (Mo, Larry and Curly?) For further information contact Margaret Hala (515) 752-2981. IOWA SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Saturday, July 23rd the Iowa Honey Producers and Central Iowa Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field day at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City, Iowa. The camp is located just 2 miles off of I-35 about 20 miles north of Ames. Registration is at 8:30 a.m. and the program will last until 4:00. Dr. Marla Spivak of the University of Minnesota Bee Research Laboratory will present a program on queen management: finding and evaluating the queen, queen selection, breeding, rearing methods, replacement and introduction methods. Everyone attending will get a copy of the new disease booklet published by the University of Minnesota. The morning will start out with a walking tour of bee plants on the grounds. Breakout sessions in the afternoon will include choices of Comb Honey Production, Pollen Trapping, Beginning Beekeeping, or Bee Diseases and Pests. The camp setting is a great place for beekeepers and their families. There is a beeyard with a screened-in observation building on the property. Some of the talks and lunch will be held in an air-conditioned retreat center. Pre-registration ($4.00 for single or family) is required for a prepared meal ($5.75 per adult) or you could bring your own lunch and eat at picnic tables outside. To register fill out the form on page 9 and send in with your check for the registration and meal. The registration fee at the door is $5.00. For further information contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Department of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Moines, IA 50319 (515) 281-5736 or Gordon Powell, 4012 - 54th St., Des Moines, IA 50310 (515) 278-1762. SCOTT COUNTY BEEKEEPERS FIELD TRIP Thurday, June 16th at 6:00 p.m. the Scott County Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field trip. Meet at Al Gruber's beeyard at 1945 Wisconsin St. on the west side of Davenport. This will be a hands-on experience in the beeyard or you may want to watch. Anyway, bring you own hat, beeveil and other personal gear if you have it. However, come even if you do not, because we will have some extra equipment for you to use. We will identify queens, swarm cells, and other aspects of a bee colony. We will demonstrate how to make splits and requeen colonies and when to place supers on colonies for surplus honey production. Hopefully, we will not have a rainstorm again. DIRECTIONS: Turn north on Wisconsin Street off of Locust, 1 1/4 miles east of I-280. Come and bring a friend. For further information contact Ray & Jo Whitwood (319) 263-0992. HONEY OF A VERSE "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins... And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild HONEY" (Mark 1:4,6) NOSEMA IN HONEYBEES by Carol Fassbinder (Hawkeye Science Fair Winner) In the past four winters the winter kill rate for honeybees in Iowa has been 50-75%. In my science fair project I wanted to determine if Nosema disease is a contributor to such a high winter loss. I predicted that the colonies that were treated with Fumadil-B will have little or no Nosema spores, and survive winter better than the colonies that were not treated. Procedure: I tested 8 different yards (averaging 26 colonies per yard) and gathered a 25-bee sample from each. Yards #1 and #2 were treated with Fumadil-B and winter-wrapped, #3 and #4 were treated and not wrapped, #5 and #6 were not treated but wrapped, and #7 and #8 were not treated and not wrapped for winter. At each yard I recorded the number of living colonies in the spring. I then dissected the bees by removing the head, then grasping the stinger end of the abdomen, and gently removing the insides. After removing the insides from 25 bees, the gut, ventriculus and honey stomach were ground up with 25 millilters of water (1 ml per bee) with a mortar and pestle. I used a wire loop to transfer a small amount of this solution onto the hemocytometer for counting the number of Nosema spores. Under a 430 power microscope I counted the Nosema spores in 80 small squares on a special grid and used a mathematical formula to calculate the correct number of spores per bee and the level of infestation. Results: The Nosema infestation is displayed in Table 1 and the winter survival rate is shown in Table 2 on page 4. In yards #1 and #2 (Fumadil & wrapped) the average spore count was 1,667 spores per bee, and they had an average winter survival rate of 85% and the amount of dysentery was extremely low. In yards #3 and #4 (Fumadil but not wrapped) there were 24,834 spores per bee and they had an average winter survival rate of 85% and was not much dysentery dtectable at these yards. In yard #5 and #6 (no Fumadil but wrapped) the average spore count was 66,665 spores per bee, and 83% winter survival raate and there was a fair amount of dysentery on the outside of the hives, but the inside of the hives were still clean. In yards #7 and #8 (no Fumadil & not wrapped) the spore count was 152,667 spores per bee, with only 31% surviving winter and dysentery covering the front of the hives, as well as the inside of the hives. Conclusions: It appears that if the bees are either well protected for winter by wrapping or treated with Fumadil-B, their winter survival is reasonable. However, if the bees are neither treated with Fumadil-B, nor protected by wrapping, they do not survive winter well. I conclude that winter protection is more important than treating with Fumadil-B (because of the added expense). If the bees are not protected, then treatment with Fumadil-B is essential. Since other factors play a part in winter survival, more reasearch needs to be done. (Carol is a 7th grader at Valley Community School and daughter of Robert and Kathy Fassbinder , commercial beekeepers from Elgin, Iowa.) Figure 1 - Number of Nosema Figure 2 - Winter survival rate spores per bee in the spring in the spring of 1994 after of 1994 after colonies were colonies were treated with treated with Fumadil (3+4), Fumadil-B or wrapped or both wrapped (5+6), both (1+2) or or neither. neither (7+8). CALENDAR OF EVENTS JUNE 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 16 Scott County Beekeeping Field Day 7:00 p.m. at Al Gruber's beeyard, 1945 Wisconsin St. in Davenport. 18 Central Iowa Beekeepers Dinner & Meeting 5:30 p.m. at Anson Park Shelter House in Marshalltown. Program at 6:30 25 IHPA Board Mtg. 1:00 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Church Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. WHAT TO DO ABOUT SWARMING (Reprinted from the Alaska newsletter - By Dr. Clarence Collison, Mississippi State University) Swarming is an instinctive desire of honeybees to increase their numbers by reproducing at the colony level, giving them twice the chance to survive. While this behavior is not fully understood, several factors contribute to the swarming impulse. The major factor is congestion in the brood area which is related to population size and availability of space. Swarming also is associated with the production and distribution of chemicals secreted by the queen. When there is a shortage of these secretions (queen substance), the bees make queen cells in preparation for swarming or supercedure (a natural replacement of an established queen by a daughter in the same hive). Swarming also may be modified by the weather. When colonies are strong and developing, good weather following some bad weather seems to accentuate the swarming fever. Other factors that contribute to swarming include poor ventilation, a failing queen, heredity and an imbalance in the makeup of the worker bee population. Most swarming occurs during April and May in Mississippi, and you need to check the colonies every 8 to 10 days during this season. The presence of queen cells in the brood area is the first indication the colony is preparing to swarm or supercede its queen. Swarm cells are commonly found on or near the bottom bars of the combs in the upper brood chamber(s). Whereas supercedure queen cells are generally found on the face of the comb. To check quickly for swarm cells, tip back the top brood chamber(s) and look up between the frames, destroy all (unsealed) swarm cells. Unfortunately, cutting out queen cells seldom prevents swarming; it only delays it since the bees usually construct more cells in a few days. Once the bees succeed in capping a queen cell, they are committed to swarming. (Tennessee Apiculture March-April 1991) I am not hard hearted--some of the time but I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who allow their bees to swarm when they don't watch their bees. July is our usual swarming time. This year the first swarm was reported June the 5th. Caging the queen first week of July to prevent swarming won't work as well this year due to the fact that the bees are swarming early. It will do the other jobs in to brood rearing, etc., that I write about. Cutting out queen cells--my way of saying it--it is a waste of time. Why? Because even experienced beekeepers miss them and when the bees have their jogging shoes on cutting out cells will not stop them, just slow them down a few days. Separate the brood from the queen by an excluder and give an uppper entrance. Let them swarm but stay in the hive. FOR SALE: queen excluders, Kelley 33-frame extractor, sump tank, 1" pump, Dadant Wax melter, Cowen uncapper, 2 - 3000 gal. S.S. corn syrup tanks, and more. Call days (608) 568-7601 or evenings (608) 748-4706. ESPY APPOINTS NEW MEMBERS TO NATIONAL HONEY BOARD Mike Espy, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, appointed two producer members, one exporter member and one cooperative member as well as alternates for each position to the National Honey Board. The new members' three-year terms commenced April 1 and expire on March 31, 1997. H. Binford Weaver, Navasota, Texas, was reappointed to serve as producer member representing Region 5 (Al, AR, LA, MS, MO, OK, TN and TX). Bobby E. Coy, Jonesboro, Arkansas was appointed as the alternate for Weaver. Stephen A. Conlon, Proctor, W.V. was appointed to serve as producer member representing Region 7 (CT, DL, DC, IL, IN, KY, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, NC, OH, PA, RI, SC, VT, VA, and WV). David E. Hackenberg, Lewisburg, PA was appointed as the alternate for Conlon. John (Doug) McGinnis, Edgewater, FL was appointed to serve as exporter member. Robert E. Coyle, Bellevue, WA, a honey importer, was appointed as the alternate for McGinnis. Newly appointed members of the nominating committee are: Jerry A. Brown, Haddam, KS; Glenn E. Davis, Blue Springs, MO; Todd D. Larson, Billings, MT; Joann M. Olstrom, Reedsport, OR; Glen R. Wollman, Parker, SD; Donald J. Kohn, Withee, WI; and Charles D. Hannum, Arlington, VA. Reappointed for three terms on the nominations committee are: Reg G. Wilbanks, Claxton, GA; Donald T. O'Neill, Baton Rouge, LA; Jacob C. DeKorne, Ellsworth, MI; Darl B. Stoller, Latty, OH and Stephen H. Dilley, Nashville, TN. FRANK PELLETT, APICULTURE PIONEER, REMEMBERED An excellent article about the Hyssop honey plant, a member of the mint family, by Ayers and Widrlechner was published in the May 1994 American Bee Journal. In this article quite a mention of Frank Pellett was made with respect to his work on this honey plant. The following is quoted from this article: "Because of his extensive writing on the subject, Frank Pellett (1879-1951), more than anyone else, created a place in U.S. apicultural history for A. foeniculum (anise hyssop). Mr. Pellett was a well respected apiculturist. He was the Iowa State Apiarist between 1912 and 1917, a Field Editor of the American Bee Journal for many years, and then an Associate Editor of the same publication, a position he held until the end of his life. He was instrumental in the pioneering research on American foulbrood. He initiated and operated the American Bee Journal's Honey Plant Test Gardens at Atlantic, Iowa. He was a careful observer who published books on the history of American beekeeping, queen rearing, practical beekeeping, horticulture, botany and ornithology (Anonymous, 1951), but he is probably most remembered by today's beekeepers for his magnum opus, American Honey Plants, which he revised several times through his life (1920, 1923, 1930, and 1947). His proclamations about bee forage in general (and anise hyssop in particular) demanded the respect of the apicultural industry." (Anonymous. 1951. Frank Pellett 1879-1951. American Bee Journal 91:234-237). 1994 SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Iowa Honey Producers & Central Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Saturday, July 23rd Riverside Bible Camp, 3001 Riverside Rd. Story City, IA 50248 Phone (515) 733-5271 Meeting Pre-registration $4.00 $________ (Deadline - July 16) At the door $5.00 $________ (No prepared meal available if not pre-registered)** Noon meal* in air-conditioned bldg. $5.75 $________ Through age 3 - No charge Children: Ages 4 - 10 yrs - $3.00 Ages 11 and up - full price * Includes soup, salad, BBQ sandwich & chips, bread/roll, coffee/milk/coolaid ** Picnic tables outside if you would rather bring your own lunch. 1994 MEMBERSHIP DUES: Iowa Honey Producers Association $5.00 $________ Central Iowa Beekeepers Association $4.00 $________ ================= TOTAL $________ MAKE CHECK PAYABLE TO: IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ASSN. SEND CHECK AND FORM TO: Gordon Powell 4012 - 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 (515) 278-1762 NAME______________________________________________________________ ADDRESS:__________________________________________________________ CITY:____________________STATE_________________ZIP________________ PHONE(____)_______________________No. of colonies_________________ 4/05/94 From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:03 EST 1995 Article: 1284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: May 94 'buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 16:44:26 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 427 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ MAY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ HANDLING BEE PROBLEM CALLS Spring is the time when insects become active and some of the insects cause people problems. Beekeepers, pest control operators, bee inspectors, county extension, ASCS, police and fire department personnel may all receive telephone calls concerning "bees" causing problems. Many of these situations do not involve honey bees. Problems range from bees digging burrows in the garden, to angry hornets, to a large scale honey bee hive spill due to a truck wreck. Your first job in fielding this type of call is to determine, as best as you can, if it is an emergency because bees are stinging people and what type of insect is involved. The best way, if it is an emergency or you are close by and you have the time, is to go over and check out the situation yourself. However, that is not often possible and you should gather information over the phone. Ask about the location of the caller, the appearance of the insect, the number of insects, the location of the bees' activity or nest and the appearance of the nest, if they can see it. If there has been a highway accident with honey bee hives spilled out on the road, call a fire department to come to the scene with water and hoses. The fire department needs to add liquid soap or film forming foam to the water and spray bees down with this solution. A solution of at least 3% soap or foam will knock bees down and kill them. A fine spray is most affective for clearing the air of bees and making it safe to rescue victims from the wreckage. The time of the year will give you a clue as to the type of insect. Generally most calls in the spring and early summer involve swarms of honey bees. These may be either hanging from the limb of a tree or nesting inside a tree or inside the wall or soffit of a home or other building. If their combs are visible you will notice that they hang vertically. About 3/4 of the calls that come into the State Apiarists office here involved problem bees or wasps inside structures and the remainder are free hanging swarms of honey bees. The free hanging swarms (clusters) of bees that are low to the ground (up to 10 feet) are valuable to some beekeepers, especially in the month of May. Most beekeepers do not feel that removing colonies of bees from inside structures is a profitable use of time. But occasionally, there is a beekeeper who will remove a colony of bees from a building for a fee. If you determine that the caller has honey bees, call one of the beekeepers listed on the cover of THE BUZZ located nearest to you to obtain name of beekeeper in your local area. The county ASCS office may also have names and phone numbers of beekeepers registered for pesticide notification in your county. Honey bees do not often swarm after July. Therefore most of the calls in late summer and fall involve yellow jacket wasps and hornets. Hornets make a gray paper nest the shape of a football that hangs from the limb of a tree. The nest contains several horizontally stacked paper combs connected by pedestals and covered by several paper envelopes. An individual hornet is black in appearance with white markings and is larger than a honey bee. Yellow jackets range in size from smaller than a honey bee to as large as a hornet and have bright yellow and black stripes. Their paper nests are inside a structure like honey bees, but unlike honey bees, some species may also nest underground. If the nest is visible, you may see several layers of outside covering like the hornet nest and horizontal combs hanging by one or more pedestals. Some of these colonies may contain several hundred thousand individuals. These insects are the ones that ruin your picnics in the late summer and fall. They like anything sweet: your peanut butter and jelly sandwich, soda pop or fruit. They also eat insects and forage on car grills, eating the dead insects deposited there while driving. If you determine that the caller has yellow jacket wasps or hornets, it is best to refer them to local pest control operators. SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Saturday, July 23rd the Iowa Honey Producers and Central Iowa Beekeepers Association will hold a beekeeping field day at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City, Iowa. There is easy access to the camp which is located just 2 miles off of I-35 about 20 miles north of Ames. Registration is at 8:30 a.m. and the program will last until 4:00. The University of Minnesota Bee Research Laboratory will present a program on queen management: finding and evaluating the queen, queen selection, breeding, rearing methods, replacement and introduction methods. Everyone attending will get a copy of the new disease booklet published by the University of Minnesota. We are planning on door prizes and honey-made snacks that you bring. The morning will start out with a walking tour of bee plants on the grounds. Breakout sessions in the afternoon will include choices of Comb Honey Production, Pollen Trapping, Beginning Beekeeping, or Bee Diseases and Pests. We will finish up the day with a research update from the University of Minnesota and a "Hot Topics" question and answer session. The camp setting is a great place for beekeepers and their families. There is a beeyard with a screened-in observation building on the property. Some of the talks and the noon meal will be held in an air-conditioned retreat center. Pre-registration is required for a prepared meal or you may bring your own lunch and eat at picnic tables outside. For more information contact one of the committee members: Margaret Hala, Leo Stattelman, Margaret Hala, Gordon Powell, Jim Cherry or Bob Cox. TO DO IN THE BEEYARD SWARM PREVENTION - Because the colonies that survived are so full of brood, you will need to split colonies, equalize brood or make two-queen colonies to prevent swarming this Spring. Reversing the two hive bodies when the top box fills up with brood, honey and bees will also help discourage swarming. Prevention is the key! CAUTION: Cutting out sealed queen cells may result in a queenless colony and will not usually stop swarming anyway; it's too late. MAKING INCREASE - Early in the month you can still make splits to replace winter losses and increase the number of colonies. Make them a little larger now (e.g. 6-7 frames of brood). CHECK FOR VARROA & FOULBROOD - ignoring these will not make them go away. CALENDAR OF EVENTS MAY 7-8 Queen Rearing Short Course, University of Minnesota St. Paul Campus, Call Dr. Spivak at (612) 624-2275. JUNE 11 IHPA Board Mtg. 1:00 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 18 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 6:30 p.m. at Royal Cafe in Huxley. JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Church Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. NEW NHB HONEY RECIPE FOLDER A new brochure (depicted on the front cover) published by the National Honey Board teaches cooks how to "make magic in minutes" with honey. The three-color, eight panel brochure is a collection of quick and easy tips for adding honey to dressings, desserts, drinks, sauces and spreads. Recipes vary from broiled bananas to lemonade to Dijon tarragon sauce. As the brochure cover explains: it's easy to drizzle, to dabble, to sizzle, to dazzle -- use honey. For a free sample of the "Make Magic in Minutes" brochure, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: National Honey Board Magic, 421 - 21st Ave., Ste. 203, Longmont, CO 80501. Quantities are available for 15 cents each. HAWKEYE SCIENCE FAIR AWARDS The state-wide Hawkeye Science Fair was held April 8-9 at the Merle Hay Mall in Des Moines. Two science fair projects involving honey bees deserve special recognition. Carol Fassbinder, 7th grader of Valley-Elgin school, had the best honey bee project and received a $50.00 award. In addition, she placed 2nd overall in the 7th grade Biology division. Carol studied the effect of treating for nosema disease and wrapping colonies on winter survival of honey bee colonies belonging to her family. Carol is the daughter of commercial beekeepers Bob and Kathy Fassbinder of Elgin, Iowa. A research article about this project will appear in the June BUZZ. Kristin Burgess, 10th grader from Stuart-Menlo school, received a $25 award for her interesting project entitled "The Smelling Bee". She obtained worker honey bees from Ken Lappe, beekeeper from Casey, to test the bees' preference for different fruit odors. She constructed a simple olfactometer and her testing revealed that the bees most often preferred the pear and least often to the orange and the apple in between when given a choice. EASTERN APICULTURE SOCIETY SHORT COURSE AND CONFERENCE The annual EAS short course and conference will be held in Lancaster, Pennsylvania July 11-15. The short course will offer a choice of beginning beekeeping or beekeeping as a business July 11, 12 and the morning of the 13th. The conference will be held during the balance of the week. Other activities include a tour of Dutch Gold Honey packing business and Kitchen Kettle Village, located in an Amish community. Speakers for the conference include: Andrew Matheson (IBRA), Jim Tew (USDA), William Towne, David Fletcher, Clarence Collison, Cliff Sunflower, and Theodor Cherbuliez; Master Beekeeper & M.D. on Apitherapy. Workshop highlights include presentations by Kim Flottum on "Generating Good Public Relations for Your Association or Business" and "Writing the Perfect Newsletter," Tom McCormack on marketing, Dennis Keeney on backyard queen rearing, Cliff Sunflower on developing effective school programs and much, much more. For more information on the conference and short course including a registration form and copy of the program, please contact: Joe Duffy Maryann Frazier 309 Clivden Street or Dept. of Entomology Glenside, PA 19038 501 ASI Bldg. (717) 885-1681 Univ. Park, PA 16802 (814) 865-4621 EAST CENTRAL IOWA BEEKEEPERS MEETING Monday March 14 the East Central Iowa Beekeepers met at the Fairgrounds in Iowa City. The 14 members present reported an average of 33% winter loss out of 186 hives collectively. An announcement was made about Paul Goossen teaching a beekeeping class at the Amana Middle School in Middle Amana. This is an 8-week course taught through Kirkwood Community College and beginning April 9th at 9:00 - 11:00 a.m. Dave Irwin lead a discussion about participating again this year at the Johnson County Fair. It was the consensus of the group to set up a table again with an observation bee hive if the fair board will give permission and to hand out honey candy. Cleo Troyer brought a video entitled Controlling Bee Emergencies to show to the group. The group watched the video which was produced for fire departments to instruct them on how to handle an overturned truck load of bee hives or nuisance colonies. The evening ended with the members attempting to assemble an observation bee hive that President, Terry Dahms, had purchased. The next meeting meeting is scheduled for June 13th at 7:00 p.m. in the basement of Montgomery Hall at the Johnson County Fairgrounds in Iowa City. Anyone interested in beekeeping is invited. NEW UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA VARROA RESEARCH New research from The University of Georgia may support the notion that secondary pathogens compound damage to bee colonies from Varroa mites. Experimental colonies infested with Varroa mites were treated with various combinations of Terramycin antibiotic and Apistan miticide. Each product increased body weight of mature hive bees of mixed ages. Additionally, Terramycin increased body weight of newly-emerged bees. Reduced body weight is one of the best documented effects of Varroa mites on honey bees, and low body weight is linked to a shortened lifespan. Since Terramycin counteracted this negative effect, supplemental antibiotic treatments, along with Apistan miticide, may optimize benefit to Varroa infested colonies. (from January 1994 APIS newsletter, Univ. of Florida, Gainesville) BAKERS WILL GET SWEET SURPRISE IN WELBILT BREAD MACHINES Purchasers of Welbilt bread machines will soon get a bonus -- the National Honey Board's "Breads & Spreads" brochure. The brochure includes recipes for Honey Whole Wheat Bread, Poppy Seed Loaf, Dutch Dill Bread and Cajun Tomato Bread. Honey spreads are highlighted in the brochure as delectable toppings for breads, muffins and rolls. The Welbilt Corporation inserted the brochures in 100,000 of its bread machines. "I tried all of the recipes myself and the results were delicious" said Mary Humann, marketing director for the National Honey Board. Humann added that the bread recipes were developed especially for the Welbilt machines -- adjustments to the recipes may be required when they are used with other machines. The Honey Board has a limited quantity of bread machine brochures available. If you would like a free copy, please send your request to: Bread Machine Brochure National Honey Board 421 - 21st Ave., #203 Longmont, CO 80501 HONEY BARBECUE SAUCE 1/2 cup minced onion 1 clove garlic, minced 1 tablespoon vegetable oil 1 can (8 oz.) tomato sauce 1/2 cup honey 2 tablespoons vinegar 2 tablespoons minced parsley 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce 1/4 teaspoon black pepper 1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper Saute onion and garlic in oil until softened. Add remaining ingredients and bring to boil; reduce heat and simmer 5 minutes. Makes 1 cup. Marinate beef, chicken or pork in sauce. Brush on meat during barbecuing or broiling. Quick tip: Add 1/4 cup honey to 1 cup of your favorite prepared barbecue sauce. HONEY HERB BARBECUE SAUCE 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup minced onion 1/4 cup dry white wine 1 tablespoon each lemon juice and chopped fresh rosemary* 1 clove garlic, minced Salt and pepper to taste Combine all ingredients in saucepan and bring to boil. Reduce heat and simmer 5 minutes. Makes 1 cup. Marinate chicken pieces at least 1/2 hour before barbecuing or broiling; brush chicken with sauce during cooking. *One teaspoon dried crushed rosemary may be substituted. HONEY LIME MARINADE 3/4 cup honey 2/3 cup fresh lime juice 1 tablespoon grated fresh ginger root 2 teaspoons minced garlic Combine all ingredients; mix well. Makes 1-3/4 cups. Marinate chicken or turkey cutlets at least 1/2 hour before grilling or broiling; brush cutlets with marinade during cooking. (Recipes courtesy of the National Honey Board) IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS BOARD MEETING NEWS The board of directors of the Iowa Honey Producers Association met March 12th in Cambridge. Highlights included planning a summer field day, the decision to sell honey lemonade instead of honey ice cream this year at the Iowa State Fair and selling of the new National Honey Board's honey cookbook. These new cookbooks are available now through the mail and will be available at the Summer Field Day in July (see article elsewhere in BUZZ). John Johnson asked for more help for staffing the State Fair Salesbooth again this year. Note was also made that the Fair is one week earlier than in recent years. Bid sheets for honey sales will be published in the June BUZZ newsletter and the work schedule sign-up in the July issue. The next meeting of the board is scheduled for Saturday June 11 at 1:00 at the Royal Cafe in Huxley. CLEO TROYER OF KALONA DIES Cleo Troyer, just 10 days shy of his 70th birthday, died Tuesday, April 19 at University of Iowa Hospitals in Iowa City. Cleo had surgery for a brain tumor at the end of March and seemed to be doing fine when he died suddenly. His funeral was April 22 at the Lower Deer Creek Mennonite Church near Kalona, where he was an active member. The church is large and was packed with family and friends. Cleo was a long time beekeeper and was active in the East Central Iowa Beekeepers. He will be remembered for the help he gave to us less experienced beekeepers and his enthusiasm for beekeeping. At past meetings he had demonstrated a bee removal vacuum he purchased, a home-made video on beekeeping that starred himself, and at the March 14 meeting a video on bee emergencies he had purchased. We will miss him. For a combined total of 26 years he was either on the City Council or mayor of Kalona. In a Cedar Rapids Gazette article about Cleo, a resident was quoted as saying Cleo knew where every line, every pipe was in Kalona, along with the history of everything. At his funeral service, many were wiping eyes and blowing noses. The community of Kalona will dearly miss him too! - Terry Dahms President, East Central Iowa Beekeepers FOR SALE: Approx. 75 - 5 11/16" honey supers with drawn comb, fair condition $2.00 each. Approx. 50 - 5 11/16" honey supers w/ and w/o frames and no comb, good condition $1.00 each. Empty deep supers (shells), fair condition $1.00 each. Several hundred unassembled 9 1/8" and 5 3/8" frames, grooved top bars. Plus lots of misc. equipment. Will sell cheap. Great for a beginner. Call (712) 589-3606 in Braddyville, Iowa. FOR SALE: CLOVER HONEY IN BARRELS OR PAILS. CALL Lapp's Bee Supply Center. 1-800-321-1960 WARNING!! The following warning was sent to Bob Cox, Iowa State Apiarist, by Mississippi's State Apiarist, Harry Fulton. Russell Apiaries, J.N. Russell proprietor, of Bolton, MS is advertising in national bee magazines but is not certified in Mississippi. The owner is refusing inspection. Packages from Russell Apiaries should not be purchased for shipment to Iowa because it would be an illegal shipment. Additionally, these bees may be carrying diseases or parasites damaging to your other colonies and your neighbor's. A HONEY OF A VERSE "The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing." (Proverbs 20:4) It's time to be in the beeyard preparing your bees to make honey. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:05 EST 1995 Article: 1285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 questions Date: Wed, 08 Feb 95 10:23:40 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1733F922FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article david macfawn writes: > >There was a recent article in either Bee Culture or American Bee Journal on >overwintering in buildings. It was within the last 3-4 months so if you find >someone with past issues you can probably find the article. > It was American Bee Journal (not sure what issue). I read the article and I don't get Bee Culture, so process of elimination leave A.B.J. From roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com Fri Feb 10 22:26:06 EST 1995 Article: 1286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:31:54 -0500 From: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Honey solids??? Message-ID: References: <950206170608839@beenet.com> Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 33 In article <950206170608839@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > Rvan@saucer.Cc.Umr.Edu (robert Van Leeuwen)refer#: None wrote: > >My wife bought some a honey-whole wheat bread mix (U just add water) > >I looked at the ingredients and saw that it had more rice and soy flour > >than wheat flour and the only ingredient that had ANYTHING to do with > >honey was the very last one which said: honey solids. > Normally by law the ingredients are listed in descending order as > to amounts of each. Few labels will list the actual amounts, but the > new nutritional labels do help if your concern is in empty calories or > fiber and fats. If a ingredient is not listed it can be assumed it does > not contain that ingredient or is in violation of the US Federal Food > Labeling Laws. > > I just would not buy this product, and for sure read the label before > purchase of any other. As a beekeeper I would do a little more and > write the company and express my opinion at being ripped off by them. > Also I would not hesitate to let others know what the brand name of > the product was and who made it so the rest of us don't get ripped off. If they're listing "honey solids" as an ingredient, chances are the FDA has defined what it believes "honey solids" to be, and has permitted the use of the term. Probably the place to start is the FDA. If they've mis-defined something, we need to take the matter up with them. If _they_ don't know what "honey solids" are, then they probably should be the ones to contact the manufacturer of the product listing them. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:07 EST 1995 Article: 1287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Corrected post: July 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:19:24 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 428 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ JULY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE Dear Fellow Beekeepers, I think it is 1988, but my age tells me it is 1994. The bees up until now look just like they did in 1988. In April and May the bees built up like they are suppose to do. I think they look great. Our queens were accepted just like they should be in our new splits and even as we were requeening. The bees were able to work the dandelions this year, as they haven't been able to the past three to four years. There was plenty of pollen and nectar for them and the queens started laying real well. I talked to several other people that ordered two and three pound packages the middle of April, and the first of June were putting on honey supers. The bees I have looked at the post couple of days were putting honey into the cells as fast as the brood was hatching. We have to be careful not let them plug up their brood chambers and crowd the queen out of laying space. I feel that this can cause swarming. We had a nice rain a few days ago, maybe about two inches or so. This should keep the flowers blooming for the bees. The weather has been great this spring. It's a refreshing change. Don't forget the Central Iowa/Iowa Honey Producers Field Day on July 23rd at the Riverside Bible Camp north of Story City. This should be a fun day for the family. State Fair is just around the corner, too. It is not as far off as it may seem. Start planning to enter into the Apiary, Foods made with Honey or Honey-Walnut Classic competition at the fair this year. There is great fun in doing this and prize money also. An entry form for Apiary has been included on page 7. SCOTT COUNTY BEEKEEPERS ANNUAL PICNIC Sunday, July 10th at 1:00 p.m. the Scott County Beekeepers Association will hold their annual picnic at the Duck Creek Park Shelters on East Locust Street in Davenport, Iowa. A collection will be taken up to pay for fried chicken catered from Riefes Restaurant. You should bring a side dish, salad or dessert to share and your own drink and table service. Come, bring a friend and compare notes on this year's honey crop. Bring a small sample of liquid, creamed, or comb honey for others to taste. Maybe this could be a time to make plans to take some of the best honey to the state fair in Des Moines in August. REMINDER TO ALL BEEKEEPING FAMILIES Help promote our favorite product--HONEY! Bring your favorite honey-sweetened snack to the July 23rd Beekeeping Field Day at the Riverside Bible Camp, Story City, Iowa. Share a tasty honey treat with us. See the program for the meeting on page 3. (insert Leo's signature) LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of Southern Iowa and Northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the "Inn of the Six Toed Cat." Dinner will be held at 6 p.m. and the program at 7 p.m. The following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. the Honey-Walnut Classic will also be held at the "Inn" in Allerton. Look for more details in next month's newsletter. CALENDAR OF EVENTS JULY 13-15 Eastern Apicultural Society Annual Conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Contact Maryann Frazier telephone: (814) 865-4621. 23 IHPA/CIBA Summer Field Day at Riverside Bible Camp, Story City, Iowa. Contact Gordon Powell or Bob Cox for further details. AUGUST 11-21 Iowa State Fair Apiary Exhibit, 2nd Floor of Agriculture Building. Come see the best! SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 10-11 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. WANTED: Contact with beekeepers who collect and market Bee Pollen. We are examining the nutritional qualities of pollen from various crops, as well as seeking suitable quantities for use in our Raw Food products. Contact Raja Tamaran, Vital Health Network, P.O. Box 570, Kealakekua, Hawaii 96750 phone: (808) 328-8052 FAX (808) 329-7651. FOR SALE: Dadant 4-frame stainless extractor with motor (will handle 8 shallow frames) - $250; 40 gal. galvanized tank with 2-inch gate - $50; 12 shallow supers with comb - $5.00 ea.; 7 deep supers with frames, 2 smokers, 2 bee veils, electric uncapper. My beeyard was destroyed by fire. Contact Don Kraus, Box 275, Britt, IA 50423 phone: 515-843-3133. FOR SALE: Dadant 4-frame s/s extractor. Hand crank or power drive. $125 w/out the motor. Call Phil Ebert in Lynnville, Iowa 515-527-2639. STATE APIARISTS REPORT Please sign up to help in the State Fair Honey Booth this year. It's a great way to spend a part of a day. (see sign-up on p. 6) The number of swarms this year must be at least double that of last year. I am running that far ahead on bee swarm calls here in my office. I think this year has caught a lot of beekeepers off guard after last year's slow and poor build up. You couldn't hardly split your bees enough this spring. Stan Weiser told me of the following incident that illustrates how frustrated he became with trying to stop a colony from swarming. Stan had been reversing the hive bodies, making splits, and cutting unsealed swarms cells to prevent swarming of his dozen or so colonies in his back yard near Adel. Despite all this he watched one of his colonies swarm one morning a couple of weeks ago. It landed in the top of an evergreen tree in his yard, about 30 feet off the ground. It made him so angry that he got out his 20 gauge shot gun and shot the swarm out of the tree. As soon as the swarm was hit, it dropped to the ground like lead. Then the bees dusted themselves off and all went back into the hive from which they issued. Believe it or not! (Explanation? Stan figures that he killed the queen and the demoralized swarm simply returned home.) Field inspectors will be starting in July and August. We are delaying inspections in the early summer so that we can save hours to inspect more next spring. I have been inspecting those requesting it, mainly in central and eastern Iowa. We will have the same inspectors as last year working in the same counties, with the exception of Bob Wells, who retired last July 1st. If you would like your bees inspected, contact my office in Des Moines. (State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace State Office Building, Des Moines, Iowa 50319 phone: 515-281-5736) Beekeepers who have treated their colonies with Apistan strips have been getting a clean bill of health with respect to Varroa mites. So far this year the highest levels of Varroa mites have been found in bees where the beekeeper was not aware that he had Varroa yet. Plan on treating with Apistan as soon as the honey is harvested from your colonies to avoid losses due to Varroa mites. Check any weak colonies for signs of American foulbrood disease (i.e. sunken, perforated, greasy, darkened cappings over brood with a "melted-down", gooey, chocolate-brown mass underneath the capping). These must be dealt with promptly to avoid spread to neighboring healthy colonies. The beekeeping class taught at the Des Moines Botanical Center will conclude this month with the final field trip to the beeyard to harvest honey (hopefully) and extract some honey to take home. We will meet at the beeyard Saturday, July 16th at 10:00 a.m. so that we can get done before its too hot. Don't forget the IHPA/CIBA Beekeeping Field Day July 23rd at the Riverside Bible Camp near Story City. It should be a fun day for all the family. The meeting place is air-conditioned. Save time and a dollar by preregistering now on the form on page 9. We are really looking forward to Dr. Spivak's presentation as well as the rest of the program. A LAND OF MILK AND HONEY While driving through the Wisconsin countryside I saw a sign on the side of a barn with the slogan "Bee Udderly Cool, Drink Milk and Eat Honey." Many consumers today have an even better idea--eat honey-sweetened ice cream. Ranking 8th in the nation in milk production and around 15th in honey production, Iowa is also "A Land Flowing with Milk and Honey" (Bible - Exodus 3:8). Several years ago the Iowa Honey Producers Association got the idea to sell a small serving of honey-sweetened ice cream at the State Fair Salesbooth as a way of promoting this use of honey, as well as the use of honey in general. Several other state beekeeping organizations in the upper Midwest were selling honey ice cream and thought it was a winner. For example, Nebraska Honey Producers were contracting with the University of Nebraska for producing several flavors of honey ice cream, both soft and hard. Nebraska State Apiarist, Marion Ellis, offered to let us purchase some of their mix, but transportation during the hot summer seemed a problem. We then contacted several large Iowa Dairies about making us a small batch for our needs at State Fair. Anderson-Erickson (A-E) Dairy of Des Moines seemed to be the most interested and the most convenient because the State Fair is also located in Des Moines. In order to taste the honey flavor, we felt it was important to keep the flavors simple, so we tried Honey-Vanilla and Honey-Almond premium ice cream. We contacted the National Honey Board who provided technical support (commercial recipes, etc.). The Iowa Honey Producers Association provided a nice light-colored, mild-flavored clover honey for the manufacture of the ice cream. The first two years we sold out the 7000 servings of ice cream before the end of the Fair. Many people said they loved the ice cream and asked where they could purchase more of it. In fact, the second year we collected signatures on a petition asking A-E Dairy to offer this for sale in the local grocery stores. In 1992, A-E Dairy decided to produce honey ice cream commercially using Iowa Honey Producers Honey. In spite of delays due to the new nutrition labelling requirements, Honey Almond premium all-natural ice cream will be available to super markets in their marketing area by July 1st according to David Bush, general manager, A-E Farms, Inc. Additionally, A-E Dairy is teaming up with Sioux Honey Association of Sioux City, Iowa in a joint venture to develop and market honey-sweetened light ice cream. Test marketing will begin this summer according a June 1st Des Moines Register article. Honey-sweetened yogurt, dairy spreads and juice blends are also on the drawing board. Initial ice cream flavors will include honey-vanilla, chocolate, oatmeal-raisin cookie dough, mint-chocolate truffle, honey-almond and peanut-butter cup. The product will be in pints in the "super premium" category. We hope that the proposed products will be a big success and that the promotional efforts will pay off in a greater consumption of honey in our area, increased business opportunities and a better image of honey by the public. 1994 SUMMER BEEKEEPING FIELD DAY Iowa Honey Producers & Central Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Saturday, July 23rd Riverside Bible Camp, 3001 Riverside Rd. Story City, IA 50248 Phone (515) 733-5271 8:30 a.m. Registration - $5.00 for individuals or family (at the door) Sign up for door prizes. Preregistration (before July 16) $4.00. 9:00 a.m. Bee Pasture Walking Tour Jim Cherry 9:45 a.m. COFFEE BREAK with honey-made snacks that you bring. (door prizes) 10:00 a.m. IHPA President's Welcome Leroy Kellogg 10:05 a.m. CIBA President's Welcome Arvin Foell 10:10 a.m. Queen management Lecture - Dr. Marla Spivak 11:00 a.m. Demonstration of Queen management in the beeyard 12:00 M LUNCH (door prizes) 1:00 p.m. Concurrent Sessions A. Beginning Beekeeping (beeyard) Bob Cox B. Pollen trapping Jim Cherry 1:45 p.m. Concurrent Sessions A. Beginning Bee Diseases & Pests Bob Cox B. Comb Honey Production (beeyard) John Johnson 2:30 p.m. BREAK (door prizes) 2:45 p.m. Minnesota Research Update Dr. Marla Spivak 3:15 p.m. Hot Topics in Beekeeping Panel of Speakers 4:00 p.m. ADJOURN FARM AUCTION: July 16th at 9:00 a.m. at the Bob & Phyllis Gott residence, RR 1, Box 72, west of Ollie, Iowa. FOR SALE: s/s honey extractor, s/s bottling tank, 2 large s/s tanks, honey strainer, uncapping knife, 5 gal. plastic buckets, bee blower, foundation, new frames in box and other misc. beekeeping and farm equipment. DIRECTIONS: From Iowa Hwy. 78 turn north 2 miles west of Ollie Jct. at the Golden Furrow Fertilizer Plant. Go 1 mile north and 1/8 mile west to home on the south side of the road. Follow "Auction" signs. For more info. call Phyllis at 515-667-3611. FOR SALE: 7 2-story bee hives plus misc. equipment. Contact Raymond and Jo Whitwood in Muscatine, Iowa at 319-263-0992. FOR SALE: Dadant Gasoline-powered bee blower. Contact Edwin Richardson, 2103 E. 156th St. South, Grinnell 50112. (515) 236-6034. FOR SALE: Moving--must liquidate bee operation. 175 2-story hives - $50 @; 350 Illinois supers - $6.50 @; 40 shallow supers - $40 @; honey crop from 175 colonies - $40 @; 60-70 deep boxes (some w & some w/o frames) - $2 @; 40-50 shallow supers (some w & some w/out frames) - $1.50 @; 1 box deep foundation - $135; 2 boxes Illinois foundation - $140 @; 1 box cut-comb foundation $140; Dadant 20 frame stainless extractor - $1600; stainless capping tank - $200; 50 gal. stainless holding tank; other misc. beekeeping equipment - $400 = $21,000 for Complete Bee Operation. Contact Keith & Gail Rhodes in Fairfield, Iowa (515) 469-6628. PECAN HONEYBALLS (A.B.F. contest recipe) 1 cup butter or margarine 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/4 cup honey 2 teaspoons vanilla 2 cups sifted flour 2 cups finely chopped pecans Cream butter; add honey gradually; add flour, salt & vanilla. Mix well. Add chopped nuts & mix well. Form into very small balls. Place on greased cookie sheet and bake in 300 oven 40-45 minutes. Roll hot honeyballs in powdered sugar and repeat when cool. OBSERVATION HIVES--A REAL LEARNING EXPERIENCE During my eight years experience as a beekeeper, much of the factual knowledge I've gained has come from magazines, newsletters, bee meetings and talking with other beekeepers. Recently I've added my observation hive to that list of sources of bee information. It has been a good learning experience for me and can be for you if you decide to purchase or build one. In my small operation, the observation hive gets used more every year. It's been used for a demonstration in kindergarten, a children's sermon at church, at the Iowa State Fair, two craft shows, and at Cattle Congress in Waterloo. When at home, it is found by the window in the guest bedroom. My wife and son look forward to it's appearance every year. The glass-sided hive is really valuable when retailing honey at a craft show, because it's a good attention getter. Observation hives give the opportunity to watch bee behavior. Bees can be seen filling the cells with nectar, depositing pollen and propolis, feeding each other and taking care of the queen and brood. The queen provides most of the excitement by depositing eggs in the brood nest. The Iowa State Fair is a place to "show-case" observation hives in the apiary division. This year's fair is August 11-21. The rules for this class state that the observation hive must have a standard size frame on the bottom for brood and a shallow frame or comb honey section frame above, with bees and a marked queen. Observation hives must be built with adequate ventilation or the bees will overheat and die in the Ag building with no air conditioning. They must also have a closeable opening to allow the bees to exit the hive. Extra prize money is available for the first 15 places in this class at state fair. If you need assistance or plans to build an observation hive, I would be happy to assist you. (from Summer 1994 Central Iowa Beelines and written by Tim Laughlin) HONEY BEES AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION Several recent discussions across Internet computer network about bee-collected propolis and pollen have concluded that honey bees are excellent samplers of their environment. This has both good and bad aspects according to one of the pioneers in this field, Dr. Jerry Bromenshenk, University of Montana. Here are a couple of his "take home" messages concerning these insects as environmental monitors as they appeared in May Apis newsletter: 1. Honey bees serve as multi-media samplers that average the concentrations of pollutants over time and throughout large areas. Bees sample contaminants in all forms - gaseous, liquid, particulate - and can detect chemicals in their surroundings at levels often difficult, if not impossible, to detect using more conventional approaches - i.e. instrumentation. 2. Most of the contamination (at least as indicated by the concentrations measured) ends up in the bees themselves and in the pollen. Some chemicals concentrate in wax. Generally, honey seems to be less contaminated than pollen, bees, or wax. 1994 IOWA STATE FAIR WORK SCHEDULE Please indicate the day(s) and time(s) that you are willing to work by writing your name(s). Also, fill in your name, address and phone number at the bottom of the page. THURSDAY, AUGUST 11 TUESDAY, AUGUST 16 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) FRIDAY, AUGUST 12 WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) SATURDAY, AUGUST 13 THURSDAY, AUGUST 18 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) SUNDAY, AUGUST 14 FRIDAY, AUGUST 19 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) MONDAY, AUGUST 15 SATURDAY, AUGUST 20 9:00-1:30____________________ 9:00-1:30____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 1:30-6:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 6:00-9:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ (Handing out samples) (Handing out samples) NAME:________________________ SUNDAY, AUGUST 21 9:00-1:30____________________ ADDRESS______________________ 1:30-7:00____________________ 10:00-2pm____________________ _____________________________ (Handing out samples) PHONE(_____)_________________ RETURN TO: W. John Johnson RR 4, Squaw Valley Ames, IA 50010 From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Fri Feb 10 22:26:09 EST 1995 Article: 1288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Corrected post: Sept. 94 "Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:22:06 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 373 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ps: sorry for the delay in posting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ SEPTEMBER, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT The 1994 Iowa State Fair has come and gone. It was a good year in some ways. We are hopeful that when all expenses are paid that the honey booth netted a good profit for the association. The new honey lemonade sold well. There were many requests for the honey ice cream at state fair. It would be great to sell both lemonade and ice cream products next year. However, unless we have more help in the salesbooth we can't handle selling both products. We owe a large debt of thanks to John Johnson for doing a great job of managing the honey salesbooth again this year. A list of people who helped at the fair are listed on page 2. I apologize for any names that may have been left off the list. Also new at the fair this year were "Bee Popsickles" which are one-inch square pieces of comb honey sold for a quarter. I believe over 6000 popsickles were sold. What a great way to promote comb honey. In general, this was a good year for comb honey production in Iowa, although I know some of you have expressed frustration in trying to produce it this year at your particular location. The quality of products entered in the competition was good, but the number of entries were at an all time low for the last five years. Tim Laughlin ran away with the highest dollar amount for total premiums at the fair. Results are listed on page 3. Varroa mites have been found in so many apiaries this summer that its time to recommend that everyone treat their colonies this fall, unless your bees have been tested and are free of the Varroa mite. The only product that is legal to use in bee hives is Apistan plastic strips. Many beekeepers have used other products in their hives and the results are variable. In addition to being illegal, many "homemade" chemical treatments are not effectively controlling the Varroa mites. It is best for all beekeepers in an area to treat at approximately the same time. All treatments should be initiated by October 15th. Varroa mites will spread quite readily from a highly infested apiary to a nearby clean apiary, negating some of the good effect of the mite treatment in the clean apiary. Beekeepers planning on moving bees out of state should contact me by mail or at (515) 281-5736 to request an Inspection Certificate. These Certificates cannot be sent unless I have all the information required on the form. Please notify me ASAP. THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE WHO HELPED AT STATE FAIR: Merlynn Sorrenson Lloyd Crim Bill, John & Betsy Van Roekel Earl Eidbo Ray & David Tull Peter Coyle Cheryl & Melissa Cramer Tom Scott Ron Wehr Charles & Adelaide Carpenter David Tousain Herman Bickle Tim Laughlin Fred Terfehn Wendell Schmidt Harry & Sandra Hunter, Tabatha Margaret & Bernie Hala Gordon & Bev Powell Kris Kohl Phyllis Gott Cynthia Hyde Elsworth & Nancy Gustafson Phil Ebert Tom Duffy Randy Bronnenberg Ron Schweppe Paul & Hildegard Goossen John & Elaine Johnson Kent Johnson Jenifer Scott & Nancy Dave Carleton Emily Abbott Matt & Patty Stewart Mary Hays Arvin, Katy & Andy Foell Leroy & Lynette Kellogg Jesse Kellogg Shane Kellogg Bob & Diane Mitchell Maxine Burns Mike O'Hearn Bill Eickholt Tom & LuAnn Schuster Yellow jacket wasps The yellow jacket wasps have really made a nuisance of themselves this summer. I've had three times as many calls on nuisance "bees" this year as last year when I started keeping track of the number. ISU Entomologist, Donald Lewis had a nice article published in the Des Moines Register about the yellow jacket wasp. However, he said that the calls haven't slowed any since the article came out. People simply cannot tell the difference between the yellow jacket (usually called a "sweat bee" or "ground bee") and the honey bee. Many people also think that a hornet's nest hanging in a tree contains honey bees. What people really want is a free pest control service. I'm sure many of you have gotten calls also if you let people know that you are a beekeeper. In spring and early summer most bee calls involve swarms of honey bees, whereas most bee calls this time of the year involve Eastern or German yellowjacket wasp and Baldfaced Hornet nests in the ground, wall or foundation of house or hanging in a tree. These insects all build a paper nest constructed from masticated wood or other plant fibers mixed with saliva to make a kind of paper mache' material. The inside of the nests are composed of horizontal paper sheets of cells stacked on top of each other. This stack of paper combs is covered with several envelopes of the same paper material. These wasps are scavengers, eating animal and insect flesh as well as sweets. At state fair you see honey bees and wasps at the soda pop stands, but mostly wasps in the garbage cans where they forage on turkey legs and other meat scraps found there. 1994 IOWA STATE FAIR RESULTS Cut Comb in Plastic Box White Extracted Honey 1st Place Margaret Hala 1st Place Fred Terfehn 2nd Place Philip Ebert 2nd Place Tim Laughlin 3rd Place W. John Johnson 3rd Place Cynthia Hyde 4th Place Tim Laughlin 4th Place Ronald Wehr 5th Place Melissa Laughlin 5th Place Herman Bickle 6th PLace Charles Hoehnle 6th Place Melissa Laughlin Frame of Extracting Honey Empty Frame 1st Place David Tull 1st Place Margaret Hala 2nd Place Fred Terfehn 2nd Place Melissa Laughlin 3rd Place Tim Laughlin 3rd Place Matthew Stewart 4th Place Margaret Hala 4th Place Tim Laughlin 5th Place Melissa Laughlin 5th Place Fred Terfehn 6th Place Charles Hoehnle Amber Extracted Honey Plain Creamed Honey 1st Place Herman Bickle 1st Place Fred Terfehn 2nd Place Tim Laughlin 2nd Place Tim Laughlin 3rd Place Stanley Weiser 3rd Place Herman Bickle 4th Place David Tull 4th Place Melissa Laughlin Block of Beeswax Beeswax Art (poured-mold) 1st Place Tim Laughlin 1st Place Tim Laughlin 2nd Place Herman Bickle 2nd Place Herman Bickle 3rd Place Matthew Stewart 3rd Place Melissa Laughlin Flavored Creamed Honey Observation Hive 1st Place Tim Laughlin 1st Place Margaret Hala 2nd Place Fred Terfehn 2nd Place Tim Laughlin 3rd Place Melissa Laughlin 3rd Place Fred Terfehn Round Comb Honey Square Section Comb Honey 1st Place Adam Fuller 1st Place Stan Weiser 2nd Place David Tull 2nd Place David Tull Beeswax Candles Window Display 1st Place Herman Bickle 1st Place Tim Laughlin 2nd Place Tim Laughlin 3rd Place Melissa Laughlin Number of Blue Ribbons Sweepstakes Plaque Winner - Tim Laughlin $242 4 1st runnerup - Fred Terfehn $101 2 2nd runnerup - Herman Bickle $ 91 2 3rd runnerup - Melissa Laughlin $ 87 0 Margaret Hala 3 Adam Fuller 1 Stan Weiser 1 David Tull 1 "STICK UP" FOR HONEY! "Honey, I Love You" stickers featuring the lovable honey bear logo are sporting a new, bright look. The 1 1/2-inch diameter stickers are bright yellow with the logo and the message "Honey, I Love You" printed in black. Stickers are great for kids and adults! They can be used for lapels, on printed promotional material or on a honey point-of-purchase display. (Stickers may not be used on honey product containers.) Stickers are packaged 1,000 per roll. Each roll is shrink-wrapped. The minimum order for stickers is one roll. Cost per roll is $9 for one roll; $8 each for two to four rolls; $7 each for five or more rolls. Send a check with your order to National Honey Board, 421 21st Ave., Ste. 203, Longmont, CO 80501. LAPLANDERS HONEY CONFERENCE Friday, September 9th, the Laplanders Honey Conference of southern Iowa and northern Missouri will be held in Allerton, Iowa at the Inn of the Six Toed Cat. Dinner will be at 6 p.m. and the program at 7 p.m. The theme for the conference will be "The Honey Market: What's Out There?" The guest speakers for the evening will be the 1994 American Honey Queen, Lisa Terry from Northfield, Minnesota. Joining her is Leon Metz, honey packer from Hazel Green, Wisconsin. Do join us for dinner and for this timely program. For further details and reservations contact: Ann Garber at (515) 872-2119 by Tuesday, September 6th. The fourth annual Honey Walnut Classic, a honey foods contest, will be held the following day, Saturday, September 10th at 10 a.m. on the east portico of the Inn in Allerton. This popular event honors the Historic Iowa-Missouri Honey War, 1838-1841. Come and support honey marketing. Participate in the Laplanders Honey Conference and in the Honey Walnut Classic. Dinner is $10 including gratuity with a cash bar. RSVP: Ann Garber (515) 872-2119 or (515) 872-2142. IHPA ANNUAL MEETING Don't miss the annual meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Association which will be held November 11 and 12 at the Regency Inn, in Marshalltown. This year the annual business meeting is scheduled for Friday afternoon and a wonderful banquet meal is planned for Friday evening. Our keynote speaker this year will be Dr. Bill Wilson from the USDA Weslaco Bee Laboratory. Other speakers planned are Gary Reuter from the University of Minnesota Bee Lab, Iowa's Secretary of Agriculture, Dale M. Cochran, ABJ Editor, Joe Graham, IHPA past presidents, Paul Goossen, W. John Johnson and others not yet nailed down. Topics include: Current Research Projects at the Weslaco and Minnesota Bee Labs, Comb Honey Production, Pollination of Iowa Crops, State Apiarist's Report, Handling Beeswax, and Local area crop reports. Contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Department of Agriculture, Des Moines, IA (515) 281-5736 for more details. IN THE BEEYARD 1. Remove honey supers from colonies. Any honey stored by the bees will help the colonies prepare for winter. 2. Extract honey from supers if moisture level is low enough. The moisture content of the honey must be 18.5% or less to avoid fermentation and spoilage. If honey is too watery, dry honey in the comb by running a dehumidifier and fan for several days. 3. Feed any lightweight colonies if they have less than 60-80 pounds of stored honey (total hive weight 150-170 pounds). Colonies should be fed a thick syrup (2 parts sugar/1 part hot water or HFCS) or frames of honey saved back. 4. Medicate colonies for disease/parasite prevention/treatment. Treatment with Terramycin dust or vegetable shortening formulation for American Fouldbrood Disease and Apistan plastic strips for Varroa mite control are a must this fall. The earlier you treat the better. A clean cycle of brood before winter is very important for good winter survival. Fumadil-B added to syrup feed and menthol treatment early this fall may also benefit colonies in dealing with other parasites. 5. Plan for weatherizing bee hives. Decide on what kind of physical protection you will give your colonies next month when the weather turns cold. WINGBEAT COUNTER FINGERS INVADING BEES Africanized honey bees in Central America beat their wings faster than domestic European bees in Arizona. That difference, thinks an Agricultural Research Service entomologist, may be a way to tell the two apart. The current test to verify that bees are Africanized requires capturing specimens and shipping them to state and federal laboratories. There, experts measure minute differences in body part sizes. Identification by wingbeat frequency could prove faster and cheaper and--best of all--wouldn't require handling bees that might suddenly mount an attack. So Hayward G. Spangler tape-recorded the wingbeat frequency of Africanized honey bees that he encountered during two trips to Costa Rica. He compared these recordings to others made by European at the Carl Hayden Bee Research Laboratory in Tuscon, Arizona. "Costa Rican bees that were foraging for nectar or flying toward and away from their hives had a higher wingbeat frequency than Arizonan bees." Spangler thinks these findings could aid engineers in developing an affordable device to help track the spread of Africanized bees. The detector would help identify potentially dangerous honey bee colonies near schools and playgrounds so they could be removed.--By Dennis Senft, USDA Agricultural Research Magazine ARICANIZED BEE UPDATE Africanized bees have caused quite a stir in Arizona and Texas recently. Approximately 17 people were stung by a swarm of Africanized honey bees in an apartment complex in East Phoenix, Arizona on July 6th. Three people required medical care and recovered. A man in Robstown, Texas was stung an estimated 1,000 times recently according to a NASDA newsletter article by Barb Spangler. "A man was 'covered head to toe' by 4,000 bees while mowing grass and was stung an estimated 1,000 times. The culprits were believed to be the so-called 'killer' bees. Five people involved in the ensuing chaos were also stung, including a nurse in the emergency room where the man was taken. Rescue crews found the man lying by the road, awash in bees, covering his face. 'He was covered head to toe,' said Robstown Fire Chief Julio Flores. 'It was like a horror movie.' Another helper who was stung was firefighter Ernest Gallegos, who was trying to start a water pump to spray the bees. 'It's like someone coming after you with a knife or a gun' he said. 'You run for your life.'" CALENDAR OF EVENTS SEPTEMBER - NATIONAL HONEY MONTH 9-10 Laplanders Honey Conference 6:00 p.m. the 10th and Honey Walnut Classic 10 a.m. the 11th both at the Inn in Allerton, Iowa. 12 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. in basement of Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City 15 Scott County Beekeepers Meeting 7:00 p.m. at Riefes Restaurant, Locust St., Davenport. 17 Central Iowa Beekeepers Meeting at Royal Cafe in Huxley. Buffet dinner at 5:30 p.m., Business Meeting 6:30 p.m. and Program at 7:30 p.m. (We will try again to show the Bee Emergency Video.) NOVEMBER 11-12 Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting in Marshalltown. FOR SALE: 6 hives of bees plus a 2-frame S/S Dadant extractor. Contact John Nichols in Bussey, Iowa at (515) 943-2305. FOR SALE: 55-gallon drums $6.00 each; 20 or more $5.00 each. Call Harry Hunter in Des Moines at (515)266-1984. FOR SALE: A.I. Root L-50 galvanized 50-frame extractor, Woodman sump and vane type pump unit, steam Generator, capping melter with boiler plate tank, 100-gal. round galvanized holding tank with 2-inch gate, 360-lb. capacity liquifying tank with 2500 W immersion heater on casters, Armitser bee blower, Ecdahl S/S bottling unit. Contact: Cliff Hartenhoff, 2301 So. 11th St., Council Bluffs, Iowa 51501. FOR SALE: 100-gal. S/S bulk milk tank $100. Call (515) 459-2208 in Bloomfield, Iowa. HONEY BOARD ANNOUNCES WINNING HONEY RECIPES The National Honey Board has selected the winner of the 1994 recipe contest that was held in association with Hadassah magazine. Hadassah is a national organization for Jewish women and the contest celebrates the long tradition of honey and Jewish cooking. Honey's pure, golden sweetness has always been highly valued by Jewish cooks, especially during Rosh Hashanna -- the beginning of the Jewish new year in September. Honey symbolizes the hope for sweetness and joy in the coming year. Over 177 recipes from Hadassah chapter members were submitted for the National Honey Board contest. Gail's Meatless Pasta Sauce recipe submitted by Kim Libin of La Jolla, California took second place and is printed below. GAILS MEATLESS PASTA SAUCE 1 medium onion, diced 1-2 tablespoons vegetable oil 1 can (29oz.) tomato sauce 1 can stewed tomatoes 3-4 cloves garlic, crushed 1/3 cup honey 1 teaspoon rosemary 1/2 teaspoon each basil,thyme, fennel. 1/4 teaspoon each black and red pepper 2/3 head cauliflower, cut into bite-size pieces 1 medium zucchini, sliced 1 medium yellow squash, sliced Hot cooked pasta Saute' onion in oil until softened in large saucepan. Add tomotoe sauce, stewed tomatoes, garlic, honey and seasonings. Bring to boil; simmer 5 mins. Add vegetables and simmer 5 to 10 minutes or until vegetables reach desired degree of tender- ness. Serve over pasta. Makes 6 servings. Tip: Any combination of fresh or frozen vegetables may be used in this recipe. From christer.seltorp@posnet.co.uk Fri Feb 10 22:26:10 EST 1995 Article: 1289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!christer.seltorp From: christer.seltorp@posnet.co.uk (Christer Seltorp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Punch Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:04:44 GMT Message-ID: <950210230006156@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 47 On (01 Feb 95) Adam Finkelstein wrote to All... Hi! AF> Path: ibmpcug!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!pipex!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news AF> spr AF> From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) AF> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping AF> Subject: Re: Honey Punch AF> Date: 1 Feb 1995 21:56:38 GMT AF> Christer Seltorp wrote: >I have tryed it but I am not satisfied with it. > >After a short while the Hackler Honey Punch get filled with >wax from the frame. You have to clean it often in hot water. > >Thats my experience with it. > >Or does anyone know if you have to use some special trick >to get it working??????? > AF> Okay. Please. What does this thing do? AF> Adam It is many small disks that form a roller with sharp edges around the circumference. The sharp edges punch a hole in every cell in the frame. After that you can extract it. The problem for me is that after a few (3-5) frames the hole roller is filled with wax and not a single egde is pertruding the surface of the roller and thus it has stopped working unless you clean it in hot water. Greetings Christer  ... BiBeBeeS the leading BBS in Europe of beekeeping matters --- PPoint 1.86 * Origin: PointSemin (240:246/3) From stig.svensson@posnet.co.uk Fri Feb 10 22:26:11 EST 1995 Article: 1290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!stig.svensson From: stig.svensson@posnet.co.uk (Stig Svensson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Punch Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:56:58 GMT Message-ID: <950210230006157@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 40 On (09 Feb 95) Christer Seltorp wrote to Adam Finkelstein... CS> On (01 Feb 95) Adam Finkelstein wrote to All... AF> Subject: Re: Honey Punch AF> Date: 1 Feb 1995 21:56:38 GMT AF> Christer Seltorp wrote: >I have tryed it but I am not satisfied with it. > >After a short while the Hackler Honey Punch get filled with >wax from the frame. You have to clean it often in hot water. > CS> It is many small disks that form a roller with sharp edges around the CS> circumference. The sharp edges punch a hole in every cell CS> in the frame. After that you can extract it. CS> The problem for me is that after a few (3-5) frames the CS> hole roller is filled with wax and not a single egde is CS> pertruding the surface of the roller and thus it has CS> stopped working unless you clean it in hot water. Hi! I am sure that it is that You clean the roller with hot water that makes it this bad. The wax will melt and stick to the roller, and then the roller will be filled with wax much faster. How well the Hackler Honey Punch will work depends a lot of the type of honey You have. If the honey is "sticky" (most Swedish honey are) then the roller blocks up very fast. With honey from rapeseed the roller works better. Greatings Stig --- PPoint 1.90 * Origin: LenPoint (240:246/36) From pamschel@interserv.com Mon Feb 13 23:58:50 EST 1995 Article: 1291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!usenet From: pamschel@interserv.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee stings are worth it Date: 11 Feb 1995 07:59:41 GMT Organization: NovX InterServ News Service Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3hhqpd$p74@data.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stk5_p9.sprint.dialup.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Yes, but beekeeping is the most fun,. How awe inspiring to have a cloud of bees hovering over you as you are robbing their honey or trying to give them more room or ljust looking at them all over the comb. It is worth the stings. From BBWV31A@prodigy.com Mon Feb 13 23:58:51 EST 1995 Article: 1292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!prodigy.com!usenet From: BBWV31A@prodigy.com (Brian bohdan James) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making Foundations Date: 11 Feb 1995 13:43:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3hieuh$st4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap4.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 For a number of years I have been supplying a family in Southern Ukraine with Tetracycline, Apistan (for Varroa mite) and beeswax foundations. Thanks to the medication they have had excellent results and want to set up more hives. The problem is that the wax foundations are expensive and difficult to ship. My question is, does anyone know where I can find a foundation mold. They have plenty of wax, I have a solar wax melter and all we need is a way to form the sheets. Foundations use to be available in, but thanks to the economic condition in the country foundations are no longer being produced in Zaporizhzhe Oblist in Southern Ukraine. Regards - Brian James From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Mon Feb 13 23:58:54 EST 1995 Article: 1293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jan. 95 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers State Newsletter Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:56:56 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 215 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ JANUARY, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ RENEWAL NOTICE: If you would like to continue receiving THE BUZZ newsletter, return the last page by January 20th, unless you did this last month. FROM THE PRESIDENT: Winter is the time for the beekeeper to plan, reorganize and get ready for the coming season. As representatives for all the rest of the members of the Iowa Honey Producers Association, the board is also making plans for the coming year. Some of the plans include beekeeping classes and seminars, what to do if we happen to have a major bee transportation accident, reviewing the regulations and laws for beekeeping for possible revisions, planning for State Fair and the Annual meeting, considering a beekeeper exchange with Poland and other promotional events. By the way, the board and its committees can not cover every community in the state. Maybe you feel that there have not been enough honey promotion events in your area. Consider yourself as on a committee to plan for and ask for assistance from the state association to bring a promotional event to your community. If you need assistance, feel free and bold to present your ideas and requests to the board. Remember, bees don't sit at home and wait for the nectar to come to them--they go out to search for it. There are plenty of sweet honey experiences out there; we just need to buzz off to find them. Don't take your cue from the drone--very few of them make a positive contribution. Let's be scouts and tell the others where to find the golden opportunities. In every community where there are bees, the work gets done through local initiative. So also in your community, local initiative is what is needed to identity and utilize the many sweet promotional opportunities. Some of our efforts may not seem all that effective. Don't let that discourage you. At another time your efforts may exceed your expectations. It has been my experience that some efforts which I thought were not all that successful at the time, resulted in very good and positive results years later. The problem was not that the effort was ineffective, but that I wanted to see immediate results. Often it takes time and the cumulative effect of a number of efforts to make the difference. We have a story and a product that interests people. They are just waiting to hear, so lets tell them. - Paul F. Goossen COYLE'S COLUMN This time last year, I was reading up on bait hives and how to produce section comb honey. Having had great fun with both in the summer, I am drawn to other ploys to pass the winter until the bees start flying again. As a beginner in the bee business, I am still excited by all the things I do not know and how much there is to learn. Listening to Wendell Schmidt talk of how he was raising his queen bees and to Tim Laughlin's "show and tell" on observation hives, got me down to the library and back to the workshop. Although everyone does not have an extensively equipped workshop, we all won a public library system which is a wonder to contemplate. Some time back, I learned of the Inter Library Loan system (I.L.L.). Through it, I have been able to read both "Forty Years Among the Bees" and "Fifty Years Among the Bees" by Dr. C.C. Miller, with regard to section comb honey. I then went on to Carl Killion's "Honey in the Comb." This winter so far, I have borrowed, "Scientific Queen Rearing" by Doolittle, "Comtemporary Queen Rearing" by Laidlaw and "Rearing Queen Honey Bees" by Morse. All of this cost me no more than a trip to the library to place the request and another two to pick up and return the books. The request form has a line which asks how much one is willing to pay for handling if the lending institution has such a fee, but so far all have been free, even though books have come from as far away as Maine and Colorado. I hope through this article, I might introduce someone to some new sources of information. Talking of information, I love to tinker with odd and ends of gadgets and to try as many different systems as I can. So if there is anyone who would like to share their experience or innovations with me, I'd be delighted. Contact: Peter Coyle, 2425 Franklin Avenue, Des Moines, IA 50310 (515) 277-2415. BEE MANAGEMENT IN JANUARY Mice are prone to enter hives in winter, if the entrances are large enough to enable them to do so; these should, therefore, be diminished so as to allow only one or two bees to pass at a time. Cats likewise are an annoyance, to which bees should not be exposed. They should not be permitted to run upon or gambol between the hives. Nor should the direct rays of the sun be allowed to strike the entrances during the winter, when the bees ought to enjoy undisturbed repose. A slight temporary screen, easily removed on mild days, when the temperature permits the bees to fly, will prove highly serviceable--preserving the bees and preventing an inordinate consumption of honey. If a warm day tempt the bees to fly while the ground is covered with snow, a quantity of loose straw should be scattered on it in front of the hives to keep the bees from being blinded by the glare, and aid them in regaining their homes. If, in addition to this, the apiarian has taken the precaution to secure his hives from being stolen, he will have done all that can properly be required of him, during the month. (Excerpted from January 1861 American Bee Journal--the first issue.) 1995 APIARY REGISTRATION Its time to register your apiary(s) again. Simply send me a copy of last year's registration with the current date if nothing has changed. If there are only small changes, make those directly on a copy of last year's registration. Be sure to make another copy of your registered locations for your records and next year's registration. If you do not have a copy of last year's registration, fill out the one at the end of the newsletter. If you do not know the legal description of your apiary(s), get a county map to pin point the location to nearest 1/4 section. If you live in town and your bees are located at your home, indicate by "homeplace" or "at home address above". Be sure to fill in the name of the county in which your apiary(s) is located and use a separate form for each county. The purpose of apiary registration is to enable pesticide applicators to contact you in case of applying pesticides that are labelled "toxic to bees" within a two-mile radius of your apiary. I get a number of calls each year from pesticide applicators who want the apiary locations in several counties where they do business. Many more contact the local county ASCS offices for registered locations. Its kind of embarrassing when they call and no one is registered in the county and they know that there are beekeepers in the county. They figure that beekeepers either don't care if their bees are sprayed or that beekeepers are not willing to do their part to avoid pesticide kills. Let's show the farmers, pesticide applicators and ASCS office personnel that Iowa beekeepers really do care about their bees by registering this year. BEEKEEPING CLASS TO BE OFFERED IN DES MOINES Starting on Tuesday, March 7, 1995 a beekeeping class will be offered by the Iowa Department of Agriculture in cooperation with Polk county ISU Extension service. It will be held every Tuesday night for 8 weeks at the Des Moines Botanical Center. This will be an in-depth class covering a variety of topics on beekeeping for fun and profit. Each class session will last from 7:00 - 9:00 p.m. The class will include hands-on experience in beekeeping in the classroom and during field trips. Those interested in starting with bees, novice beekeepers and seasoned beekeepers are all welcome to participate. Pre-registration is required by February 27th and a registration fee will be charged. For more information contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Department of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Moines, Iowa 50319 telephone (515) 281-5736. DID YOU KNOW... That Edward Kretchmer was one of the founding fathers of the Iowa Beekeeping industry? Mr. Kretchmer wrote several books on beekeeping and was the first president of the Iowa Beekeepers' Association in 1875. After holding two meetings with poor attendance it was decided that the organization was premature and was disbanded. IOWA FRUIT AND VEGETABLE GROWERS ANNUAL CONFERENCE The Annual Conference of the Iowa Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association will be held January 27-28, 1995 at the Crystal Inn, 6111 Fleur Dr. in Des Moines. This is a very interesting meeting for any serious gardener, beekeeper who provides pollination services, or growers. The Iowa Honey Producers Association are planning on having a booth in the exhibit room to promote beekeeping with convention goers. If you can help staff the booth for part of a day, give Bob Cox a call (515) 281-5736. To obtain registration materials for the meeting contact Iowa Fruit & Vegetable Growers Assn. at (515) 282-8192. 4-H ESSAY CONTEST DEADLINE JANUARY 15 4-H clubbers, there are just a few days left to get your bee story sent in. The American Beekeeping Federation is sponsoring the 4-H Essay Contest on Beekeeping once again this year. Because so few entries are received, there's a great opportunity to win something by simply entering! The 4-Her is asked to write an original story on honey bees suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. Suggested titles include: The Busy Little Bee, I Like Honey, A Trip to the Apiary, or My Friend, the Beekeeper. Send your story to me by January 15, 1995! Full contest rules are available from Bob Cox, State Apiarist, phone 515-281-5736 or FAX 515-242-5015. IHPA COMMITTEE CHAIRS 1. State Fair Sales - John Johnson 2. Membership - Dick Blake 3. Term of Office and Membership dues (By-laws change) - John Johnson 4. State Fair Exhibit - Margaret Hala 5. Honey Queen - Paul & Hildegard Goossen 6. Nominations - John Johnson 7. Promotions & Awards - Ann Garber 8. Educational - Bob Cox 9. Annual Meeting - Curt Bronnenberg 10. Youth Exhange - Russ Swenson 11. Bee Emergency - Bob Cox 12. Legislative - John Johnson UPCOMING IHPA MEETINGS IN 1995 MARCH 4 Board Mtg. at Barn Restaurant in Amana, Iowa 1:00 pm JUNE 10 Board Mtg. in Amana JULY IHPA & CIBA field day in Eastern Iowa SEPT.30 Board Mtg. in Amana NOV. Annual Meeting in Ames, Des Moines, or Marshalltown FOR SALE: Southwest Wisconsin White Clover Honey, clarified and strained, in drums or pails. Call Al Balwin in Darlington, WI at (608) 776-3700 From lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Mon Feb 13 23:58:55 EST 1995 Article: 1294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsboss!ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu!LUTTON Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear fencing? Message-ID: From: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 17:32:03 GMT Reply-To: lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) Organization: Ohio University Computing & Technology Services X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Lines: 8 Greetings, I teach a small community beekeeping class here in SE Ohio only recently black bears are becoming common. A fellow in the group has a couple visting his backyard on a regular basis and has expressed some concern about the potential of future interaction. I found what appears to be a reliable article in '83 Roots ABC's on fencing via Manitoba Dept of Mines information. Could someone with experiance comment on the effectivness of this info or direct me to some better? Thanks, Lars / lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu From jm67@acmex.gatech.edu Mon Feb 13 23:58:57 EST 1995 Article: 1295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmex.gatech.edu!jm67 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Georgia Beekeeping Message-ID: From: jm67@acmex.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:41:31 -0500 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Distribution: world Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology NNTP-Posting-Host: acmex.gatech.edu Lines: 17 I have never been able to get a definitive answer to this question: does anyone know whether or not one needs to register one's bees in Georgia? I realize a number of other states require registration and regular inspections of hives, but I have not been able to ascertain whether this is true of Georgia or not. Anyone? -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Feb 13 23:58:58 EST 1995 Article: 1296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agricultural Info Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 04:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <950209213400852@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 124 Hello All Beekeeper Friends, Many beekeepers are interested in general agricultural and its trends. There is still one good deal available from the US government and thats a *free bbs*, 9600 bd at 800-821-6229. Sorry but I am confident this 800 # bbs will not work for off shore callers, not sure if you are from our neighbor to the north, but they do have a "good" Canadian Agricultural report for the d/l on the bbs. Some of the Agricultural Reports you may $buy$ from the United States of America. Check your library for these and make copies. Or bug your congressman for a free bee. They also have stuff on CD's but I did not rip off the forms as I did not want to run the cost to the US government up on their nickel. Sure is nice how they take credit cards like it was cash, I can still remember when the government would take nothing but cash, money orders, or postage stamps. These changes make me feel old.. ttul Andy- ORDER FORM -- ERS PERIODICALS (F94.1) SITUATION & OUTLOOK REPORTS: Stock # 1 Year 2 Years 3 Years Outlook for U.S. Exports (4) AES ____ $17 ____ $32 ____ $48 Agricultural Income & Finance (4) AIS ____ $18 ____ $34 ____ $51 Intl. Agriculture & Trade (6) WRS ____ $20 ____ $38 ____ $56 Aquaculture (2) AQS ____ $17 ____ $32 ____ $48 Cotton & Wool (12) CWS ____ $31 ____ $60 ____ $90 Feed (4) FDS ____ $20 ____ $38 ____ $57 Fruit & Tree Nuts (4) FTS ____ $21 ____ $40 ____ $60 Ind. Uses of Ag. 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Card No.: ____________________________________ Expires Mo/Yr: ___/___ _________________________________________________________________________ Name Company/Organization Daytime Phone _________________________________________________________________________ Address _________________________________________________________________________ City State Zip Code Got no idea why they don't list the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS, but its not free and you can order it by phone at 509-575-2494 or by fax at 509-457-7132, or by mail at: National Honey Market News USDA-AMS, Fruit & Vegetable Division 2015 South 1st Street, Room 4 Yakima, WA 98903 I bet you would like to know the price, wouldn't you know I can't find the price and don't want to start the other cpu up to look for it at this hour. So if you need to know the price for this publication that so many of us have donated our time too send me e-mail and I will look it up for you. ttul Andy- \ / \ O ^ O / VARROA HORROR \ ( < > ) / _____________(( ” ))____________ ON HONEY BEES ( / / (=”=====) \ \ ) (___/___/__/ (=====”=) \__\___\___) & BEE GRUBS ( / /(=======)\ \ ) (__/___/ (=======) \___\__) (===) /(=”=====)\ (=====) _____ _____ (=====) \ .-~~~-. (=======) / \ / \ (===) / } (=”=====) < ( >----< ( > | / .-~ (=====”=) \_____/ \_____/ \ | } (=======) / ” \ ( / \ ___\.~~-.-~| .-~_ (=======) .----< ( >----< / >----. { O | ` .-~. ; ~-.__ (=”=====) / \_____/ ” \_____/ \ ~--~/-|”\| : : .-~ / (=====) \ \ / / \ ” / \ ” / / | \~ - -”~ < (===) > >----< / >----< >----< / | \ \ / / \_____/ \_____/ \_____ \______/ \ ” / \ / \ / \ `----< >----< ” >----< > \_____/ \_____/ \_____/ From tony@nexus.yorku.ca Mon Feb 13 23:58:59 EST 1995 Article: 1297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!nexus.yorku.ca!tony From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) Subject: Re: Stings and Things Message-ID: Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University References: Distribution: na Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 14:29:06 GMT Lines: 17 > Facts in MY LIFE! > When I was a carpenter, I got slivers... > When I was a secretary, I got paper cuts... > When I was an electrian, I got shocked... > When I was a auto mechanic, I got greasy... > When I was a landscaper, I got dirty > > When I kept bees, I got stung... In which case, please don't try any of the following: Sky diving. Lion taming. Marriage. -- tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, North York, Canada. From dalex@eskimo.com Mon Feb 13 23:59:01 EST 1995 Article: 1298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!dalex From: dalex@eskimo.com (Dave Alexander) Subject: Re: Honey solids??? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Message-ID: Sender: usenet@eskimo.com (News User Id) Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever References: <950206170608839@beenet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:55:10 GMT Lines: 7 i thought that honey solids where honey that had been dehyryated. after all honey is sugar and most sugar is in the dry state. why not dry sugar also. it would make it much easier to handle. -dave- kg7zq From lamczyk@eagle.sangamon.edu Mon Feb 13 23:59:02 EST 1995 Article: 1299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!eagle.sangamon.edu!lamczyk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Programs for beekeeping? Message-ID: <3hm49v$rsh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> From: lamczyk@eagle.sangamon.edu (August Lamczk) Date: 12 Feb 1995 23:06:39 GMT Organization: Sangamon State University NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.sangamon.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 Hello beekeepers, I was wondering if their are any computer programs available regarding the raising of bees, and estimateing productivity. If any exist please post the info. Thanks, Gus Lamczyk, Springfield, Il From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Feb 13 23:59:05 EST 1995 Article: 1300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sugar: bogus trader duping buyer Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <950213090826867@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 148 Hello Beekeepers! It is well known that China is short of all types of sweetness and must import sugar at the same time they export HONEY below their cost of production, or the local value, (at least some US beekeepers have claimed in a trade dispute with Chinese Honey exporters). So here is some information road killed on the internet highway that gives some insight into how bad Chinese buyers want sugar and how a few have taken advantage of them. I know most of you are not that interested but read it anyway its kind of funny and maybe later I will tell you about shipping river rocks to Holland disguised as honey to avoid high import duties on the rocks. DIALOG(R)File 799:Textline Curr.Glob.News (c) 1995 Reuters Info.Svcs. All rts. reserv. HONG KONG: BOGUS SUGAR TRADERS DUPING HUNGRY CHINESE BUYERS - January 27, 1995 By: Lynne O'Donnell HONG KONG, Jan 27 (Reuter) - China's insatiable appetite for sugar, combined with tight world supply, is attracting bogus traders who are cheating inexperienced Chinese buyers out of enormous sums of money, traders and bankers said on Friday. Some middlemen, mostly in Europe and the United States, were offering bogus deals on Brazilian sugar at unrealistic discounts, regional trade sources said. "I get these inquiries every day, all the time," said a trader with an international house in Hong Kong. "But they're wasting my time because I know the sugar doesn't even exist." But some inexperienced Chinese traders were accepting the deals, the traders said. A Western trader said it was impossible to know the exact quantities of sugar or money involved. But his firm often received pleas from provincial Chinese traders trying to source sugar from bona fide suppliers after the bogus deals had fallen through. Another trader in Hong Kong said he had heard of letters of credit having been opened with a variety of Chinese banks for between 200,000 and 300,000 tonnes of sugar. "There are two ways these middlemen can make money," the Western trader said. "They negotiate fake documents, in which they post a performance bond of two percent of the total contract and get paid 100 percent of the deal. Then, when the sugar doesn't arrive, the buyer cashes the bond, and the fake seller ends up with 98 percent of the contracted amount," he said. "The other way is when a Chinese buyer opens (a letter of credit) and the middleman takes that, and borrows from his own bank against it, either getting money he couldn't otherwise get, or getting it at favourable interest rates," the trader explained. A Chinese trader in Hong Kong said: "I heard of one deal where the 'sugar' was delivered -- and it was all sand." Raw sugar for March delivery is currently trading in New York at 14.37 cents per pound, or about $320 a tonne. The fraudulent contracts cut this price by up to 40 percent, a financier in Hong Kong said. An Australian marketer concurred, saying he heard of discounts of $50-100 a tonne. The trading sources said China's decision last September to liberalise sugar imports, which until then were conducted under the auspices of the government's food trading company, Ceroils, was partly responsible for the proliferation of cheats. "Now you have outsiders in the trade, people trying to take advantage of the Chinese demand by quoting below-market prices to attract intermediaries. And this leads to fraudulent transactions," the banker said. "I think the prices we see on these quotations, sometimes 30 to 40 percent below the market, in no way can be delivered," he said. Queensland Sugar Corporation Chief Executive Officer David Rutledge said his company had encountered the problem. "We do find from time to time when we are in the market that our potential customers will make reference to prices they have been offered from other origins that are clearly not bona fide," he said by telephone. Another Australian industry executive said: "In some cases they (Chinese buyers) will put the money down, then find they have been negotiating false documents and the stuff never arrives." Sugar shortages in China have seen prices soar, hitting $588 a tonne in the south late last year. Hong Kong traders said raw sugar was now $470 a tonne. They expect it to hit $530 by mid-year. China's 1994 sugar output was officially 5.82 million tonnes, a significant drop on the 7.44 million of the year before, which itself was a drop of 8.7 percent on 1992. Customs figures show imports for the first 11 months of last year were 1.28 million tonnes, up from 420,000 tonnes the year before. Exports, principally of sugar imported raw for refining, were 875,658 tonnes, down from the 1.735 million tonnes in 1993. Industry experts say demand is rising at six percent a year and they expect China to import two million tonnes this year. A delegation from the China Sugar and Beverage Corporation was in Brazil this month looking for buying opportunities. The head of the corporation, Xu Zhijian, told the local press China could buy a million tonnes, depending on the price. (c) Reuters Limited 1995 **** Well you read it, it was kind'a interesting and now for my story on Pet Rocks smuggled to Holland. Can't say this is accurate as it has been a few years, but I will say when I think of the beekeeper who told it to me, (he has since passed to Heavens many pastures of flowers), it does give me the warm fuzzes as he was a friend and one who is missed. One evening at a national beekeepers convention, John and I ducked out, (had ourselves telephone paged), to the beekeepers club room to puff on our cigars and sip good whiskey. John and I were talking about personalties in the Honey packing business and how he enjoyed doing business with this one family that had been in the business for several hundred years and the honey he sold them to be shipped to Holland. John said that after he made a trip to visit them they asked him to do a favor for him in the future. They wanted him to ship them a drum of river rocks with the next container of fine clover honey. He was more then glad to do it, you know anything to keep a good honey customer happy. The rest of the story as related to me is that they don't grow rocks in much of Holland which has been reclaimed from the sea, and they don't really want rocks, maybe because kids throw them at birds and windows, so rocks have value. So a few are smuggled into the country in honey drums. Don't remember if he said he added honey to cover the rocks or not. Well maybe its true and maybe its not. Only the Dutch beekeepers would know, maybe they would like to add to this story. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. (U)Written opinion are not necessarily fact. Check your facts before expressing opinion. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Feb 13 23:59:06 EST 1995 Article: 1301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tried this? Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <950213090826868@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 19 _________________________________ (/////////////////////////////////) (/////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | \ _ / ???? | | /O O \ _ | Hecter, did'nt I tell you | \~Y~ / // \ | this would happen. That old | /--\// )) | beeman is getting | ()==/()== \__./ | \ _ / more lazy every day! | ___ ()=( ()= ) ___ | /O O \ _ | / \___ \____/ \->___/ \___ | \~~~ / // \ | \___/ \ |||| / \___/XXX\| /--\// )) z z | / \__ /--(/ \)-cd ___/ \XXX/| ()==/()== \__./ B z z z z z | \___/ \___/---\___/ \___/ \| ()=( ()= ) z z |__/ \___/ \ / \___/ \___/| \____/---> | \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \| |||| |__/ \___/XXX\XXX/ \___/ \___/| (/ \) cd_ | \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ | [___________________________________] From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Feb 13 23:59:09 EST 1995 Article: 1302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Disaster Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950213090827869@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 76 Your read it here first: CALIFORNIA ALMOND CROP A DISASTER! Last month after much above normal January rainfall those in the know about such things in the almond industry were predicting this years almond crop would suffer a 25% decline from last years production because of the rain prior to the first bloom. The reality of this may be that almond growers may be lucky to get 25% of last years production. Almond prices have gone up on last years crop and I would expect to see more price increases sometime in the near future. Last years crop may gross that billion dollar figure yet. The Why's: Weather, both moisture and temperatures. January was a wet month, but more critical was the winter temperatures were running about 10 degrees above normal after the almonds were fully dormant. This brought the new buds and bloom out weeks early coupled with the wet ground conditions which have been ideal for fog and overcast days have kept the bees in most of the time. At this location bees have had one clear day and several afternoons to fly, maybe 30 hours total to date.(02-12-95) Beekeepers did their thing and were able to deliver all the bees required or requested by the almond growers under some miserable muddy conditions. The overall condition of the bees is not yet known as the moving of them and the weather has kept most beekeepers from making much more then spot appraisals. Feeding bees sugar syrup has been general and hives are light because they have not been able to get out. All hives do have several frames of brood depending on factors other they what they have met in the orchards. This may be the return to the old type of years, the wet one's of the golden days, when most beekeepers in the area looked on the almond bloom as no more then a chance to inspect their bees for AFB and depended on other pasture outside of the area for spring buildup. To compound all this misery is the weather outlook is calling for a period of cold arctic weather next week, making the danger of frost a reality which could inflect further damage to the almonds and set the bees back. The almond grower is really in a spot, he needs warmer weather to get the bees out for a hoped for late set...not a very good gamble at best as the late set is more often then not dropped by the trees later in the season. Well you read it here first, if things go the normal way you will read about it in the farm papers and the fault will the bee's who did not properly pollinate the crop. Modelling farm advisors will be pushing their greater strength standards for bees based NOT on research or realty, just their own personal opinions and prejudices. Beekeepers will have trouble collecting their pollination rentals in full, and growers will spend much money having bees inspected for strength, after the fact, to avoid paying money due or get discounts. The more business like beekeepers have collected their money and busy spending it on fuel bills, sugar and the like. As I write this the sun is trying to come out, maybe today the weather will change and tomorrow things will brighten up for the beekeepers and almond grower, there is always hope. We will soon be moving out of the almonds to better pastures and the overall prospects have not changed. It appears that California beekeepers who have the bee's, locations, equipment, and skills could produce the best crop of the century, we need it...the potential is there for the pasture with normal rains the rest of the rain season! ttul Andy- "if you want to get the Honey, don't kick the beehive" Abe Lincoln "he who controls the weather, controls the almond crop" OLd Drone (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. (U)Written opinions are not necessarily fact. Check your facts before expressing opinion. From peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca Fri Feb 17 22:21:51 EST 1995 Article: 1303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!peinet.pe.ca!peinet.pe.ca!not-for-mail From: peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca (PEI Environmental Network) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:52:48 -0400 Organization: PEINet, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bud.peinet.pe.ca I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without benefit of an extractor. I have three supers of honey and no extractor (couldn't afford a new one last year and couldn't find one used). I've tried scratching the combs open and letting them drip into a container. This works alright but is extremely slow. Any ideas? Sharon Labchuk peien@peinet.pe.ca  From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Feb 17 22:21:53 EST 1995 Article: 1304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:16:12 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3hr6is$mr@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Jordan Schwartz (jlks@u.washington.edu) wrote: : It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without the : aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back : about honey harvesters in the Himalayas or some such far flung locale : where they would seperate the wax from the honey by boiling (heating) : it. Needless to say, this will destroy your comb, but I'm curious if : anyone has ever tried this? Yes, but this will also destroy the flavor of your honey. Wax melts at approximately 150 degrees F., My understanding is that temperatures above approximately 120 degrees F. will damage honey flavor (those in the know, does this have anything to do with the temperature at which enzymes start breaking down?) Certainly, boiling it will damage it. As for letting it trickle out, you might end up with an increase in the moisture in the honey. Remember, it is a hydroscopic solution (tending to absorb moisture) and will pull in water from the air surrounding it. The bees dehydrate the nectar-honey until it reaches around 17% water and then they cap it - sealing it off from the air. If you left honey on a saucer in your kitchen it would eventually (in a few days perhaps) reach about 25% water, at which point, if there were any yeasts about, it would begin to ferment. It's easy to see how mead-making originated, isn't it? Are you sure there is nobody around whom you can borrow an extractor from? Alternately, I suppose you could put the comb in a nylon bag (available from a home brewing store) and crush it between two planks (cut to resemble breadboards - i.e., in paddle shape) and hooked together with a hinge or even a rope (cut a hole in the wide end of each paddle and knot it). The resulting contrivance would look and function a bit like a giant nutcracker, with the nylon bag as the nut. The crushed comb would exude honey through the pores in the bag, and dribble into a bucket or something you'd have set below it. You could then take the remaining wax and let the bees rob the rest of the honey out of it (or even heat it to separate the wax from the remaining honey, and feed that back to the bees) The comb would still be destroyed, but the honey would at least be raw. Incidentally, this device is used as a "poor person's press" for wine making. It works but is messy. (I know.) I still think you should look for someone with an extractor - or produce cutcomb honey until you're ready to purchase a small one.. Dave From jm67@acmey.gatech.edu Fri Feb 17 22:21:54 EST 1995 Article: 1305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!gt-news!prism!acmey.gatech.edu!jm67 From: jm67@acmey.gatech.edu (MURRAY,JEFFREY P) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 14 Feb 1995 12:31:35 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 33 Sender: jm67@prism.gatech.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu In-reply-to: peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca's message of 14 Feb 1995 10:52:48 -0400 >I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without >benefit of an extractor. I have three supers of honey and no >extractor (couldn't afford a new one last year and couldn't find >one used). I've tried scratching the combs open and letting them >drip into a container. This works alright but is extremely slow. >Any ideas? > You are definitely correct about the time element; not using an extractor means you'll wait all day for the honey. I have not had this problem, since I mainly produce comb honey, but I know I've seen a review of a mostly-plastic extractor that seemed to be pretty cheap; $80 comes to mind. I don't have my Walter Kelley or Brushy Mountain catalogs handy, else I'd look in them, but other folks on the net may have seen this beastie and may be able to tell you whether it holds up alright. In any event, it won't be suitable if you are looking to extract a lot of honey; for that you'll really have to spend the money for a good stainless-steel motorized unit, but even these can sometimes be had used. Have you checked out the classified sections of either ABJ or Bee Culture? Jeeef -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu -- MURRAY,JEFFREY P Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu From jlks@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 17 22:21:56 EST 1995 Article: 1306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 14 Feb 1995 17:58:57 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer08.u.washington.edu It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without the aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back about honey harvesters in the Himalayas or some such far flung locale where they would seperate the wax from the honey by boiling (heating) it. Needless to say, this will destroy your comb, but I'm curious if anyone has ever tried this? Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:21:57 EST 1995 Article: 1307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey solids??? Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:02:00 GMT Message-ID: <950211134313856@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 118 |-----------------|Roh033.Mah48d@rohmhaas.Com (john E. Taylor Iii)refer#: None wrote: >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:31:54 -0500 >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > >> Rvan@saucer.Cc.Umr.Edu (robert Van Leeuwen)refer#: None wrote: >> >My wife bought some a honey-whole wheat bread mix (U just add water) >> >I looked at the ingredients and saw that it had more rice and soy flour >> >than wheat flour and the only ingredient that had ANYTHING to do with >> >honey was the very last one which said: honey solids. > > >> Normally by law the ingredients are listed in descending order as >> to amounts of each. Few labels will list the actual amounts, but the >> new nutritional labels do help if your concern is in empty calories or >> fiber and fats. If a ingredient is not listed it can be assumed it does >> not contain that ingredient or is in violation of the US Federal Food >> Labeling Laws. >> > John Said: >If they're listing "honey solids" as an ingredient, chances are the FDA ha >defined what it believes "honey solids" to be, and has permitted the use o >the term. Probably the place to start is the FDA. If they've mis-defined >something, we need to take the matter up with them. If _they_ don't know >what "honey solids" are, then they probably should be the ones to contact >the manufacturer of the product listing them. > |----end quotes---------------------------------| Hello John, You are right, for some reason my reader missed the HONEY SOLIDS, which is assumed to be some form of dried honey. You would know more about the chemical nature of this then the average consumer. So what we have here is a product that DOES contain honey in one form or another and has every right as far as I know to include the words "Honey" in the product label. One would not expect the honey contained to be in greater amounts then say the grain, at the same time if it is less then the salt you can be sure little is used in most recipes. Without seeing the actual label it is hard to say for sure how much honey plays a part in the finished product. If it was at the near top of the list it could be considered as substantial, being at the bottom its inclusion may have been for promotion of the product itself. Any amount of honey in a product like bread is significant as a lot of bread is baked everyday, not necessarily using this particular product. If costs was equal there are several reasons one could use honey in baking other then the promotion of the finished product. Bread with honey cooks a little faster, at lower temperatures. So the final product in an industrial bakery costs less because energy is a real factor in breads production. The finished baked product will be more attractive in appearance, retain it freshness longer, and hopefully find a willing market for honey baked breads. The industrial use of honey has much increased over the years so one could assume they do find the use of honey rewarding, hopefully it will continue and grow stronger. As for real rip offs, products labeled "Honey This or That", there has been a few. The major players respond to public criticism, not always as fast as one would want, but they do. None of them want the FDA or any other government agency poking around any more then they already do, most honey packers and beekeepers are the same way. Sad as it may be the old lie "I am from the government and I am here to help you!" is many times true. I did take on one national company single handed when I was young and dumb. Letters changed hands, heated letters changed hands. Then reason won out, to a degree. The company agreed to change the wording on the label when the old labels were used up, "artificial honey", which was NO honey at all. They stalled for more then a year claiming their supply of containers with the labels was humongous. I had no way to check this out as when I was in the factory I was able to check for the honey, and ask the employees where it was, but the product cans were not there. I knew from experience that the cans were manufactured as needed and more then likely the costs of redoing the label was the only thing that was holding up the label change. More angry letters, and at last they gave in and stopped making the product...not a sweet victory for the use honey but a victory for its sweet name. This company was using about 30 drums of honey per month in another product and continued to do so. What started all this was as an invited VIP guest to this plant I asked one simple question, "where is the Honey", and was given the run around for most of a day by responsible people who should have known better. I was finally shown a five pound can of honey and was supposed to believe this was what was used in tens of thousands of cases of packed product. Thanks for your post hope I did not mislead Robert to far astray. ttul Andy- ______________________ (//////////////////////) For VALENTINES'S DAY, no gift say's more! 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Apiarist `\ | |_.---. \ -Tua Xiong From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:21:59 EST 1995 Article: 1308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey and Gray Hair Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950211134313857@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 82 ----for your eyes only----for your eyes only----for your eyes only--- ¯”® --- start quotes --- ¯”® <>From: HARRIGER@edinboro.edu <>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 05:35:50 -0400 (EDT) <>Subject: Honey and Gray Hair <>Hi Andy ! <> I read your message posted on the bee-net with great interest. Sever <>years back the federal government gave our seniors honey through the surpl <>program. My father and mother received some of the honey along with chees <>The distribution STOPPED as abruptly as it started. Now I know the reason <>why the Feds decided to end giving honey to our seniors. My guess is that <>they realized their mistake and didn't want the truth to get out. If it di <>there would be a rush on the stores and any place that might have honey <>stashed away. Hello (name with held to protect the insolent), Yes, everyone knows that our government is against social intercourse and its byproducts. It has been my personal experience that those at the higher levels of government do not practice what they preach as I have personally visited with presidents and wan-a-bee presidents and to the man they all admitted they were regular consumers of honey. RR who's name I will keep a secret even spent 15 minutes one afternoon during a critical budget crisis, enlightening me on honeys effect on his favorite male horse with all its plumbing intact. I have no proof but now suspect the over consumption of honey by his daughter has caused her to want to take her cloths off in public as a demonstration of what the misuse of Honey can do, a worthy cause and practical demonstration of the effects we honey lovers all know so well. It really did not appear to be all that bad, but I am only a layman in this field and will leave final judgement to the pros. <> My father passed away shortly after the great give away and <>never did tell me this secret. I wish he were alive today to get the strai <>scoop from him. I guess I will increase my intake of that sweet substance <>and see if it has an effect on my behavior. I am also increasing the numbe <>of hives that I keep in order to keep up with the demand. <>(side line) It is no wonder that China wants to export all of their honey! <>They have problems enough without the extra stimulation. I hope to hear m <>from you on this topic in the future, :-) Ron Harriger Sorry to read about you Dad, yes in time we must all go, its natures way. My own grandma said, "granddad went out with a smile", he consumed 36,500 pounds of honey his last 40 years. Grandma was happy too, maybe happier to see him go as he was in bad shape at the end. He had been out helping the widow who owned the forty acres that butts up to their own farms south forty. Plowing her furrows when it happened. Grandma has since remarried several times, each time to a younger man. She kept Grandpa's bees and a neighbors tends them for her. She takes her share out in Honey, not sure what she does with it all, but last time I went to the old folks church social and bingo game I noticed a lot of smiling faces in the crowd. Always wondered why they hold these social intercourse's in the afternoon. I suspect that honey can play a part in our lives to increase the pleasure and joy we find on a daily bases or twice daily bases while we are here. Consumption of more then 16 ounces per week could be too much even for the adventitious young and would lead to the fast disappearance of honey from store shelves. If that happens government action may be needed to to see Honey is only sold at discount drug stores or through the mail to the right people. A underground culture could develop by those who feel governments have no role in regulation of social intercourse between peoples or what fuels it, and people who think the bi products of such behaviour are not all that bad or even may be necessary for the human race to continue. The "China Sin drone", could become a fact here in the USA. Government restrictions on the use of honey locally, adulteration of honey with potato sugars, and shipment out of country to the highest bidder could become a reality. We honey lovers must stick together and continue to monitor the situation. Antidotal information about the effects on people over 100 must always be kept secret. All information shared must be kept private and away from the public. ttul, the OLd Drone/ ¯”® --- end of quotes --- ¯”® ----end of message---- From pollinator@aol.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:00 EST 1995 Article: 1309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:51:51 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3hrq87$p2p@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Sharon Labchuk says: >I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without benefit of an extractor. That's pretty tough to do. Don't you have anyone around that does custom extracting? I do it for several other beekeepers in this neighborhood. Going rate is around ten cents a pound in this area, and, if I didn't have a setup, I'd think it to be well worth it. In fact, I have often used others' custom setups when I used to carry bees to Pennsylvania & NY. From grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:01 EST 1995 Article: 1310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!tron!usenet From: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) Subject: MD Hives & Equipment Wanted Message-ID: <1995Feb14.222052.20530@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Organization: wec X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 22:20:52 GMT Lines: 7 I am a beekeeper on Maryland's Eastern Shore. Due to unknown circumstances I find myself short on bees this year. If anyone in MD has anything for sale or knows of any bees or wooden ware for sale please drop a line. Thanks in advance Gary Welzenbach From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Feb 17 22:22:03 EST 1995 Article: 1311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: extracting honey Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <3hr6is$mr@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:37:37 GMT Lines: 51 David J Trickett (djt@dolphin.upenn.edu) wrote: : Jordan Schwartz (jlks@u.washington.edu) wrote: : : It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without the : : aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back : : about honey harvesters in the Himalayas or some such far flung locale : : where they would seperate the wax from the honey by boiling (heating) : : it. Needless to say, this will destroy your comb, but I'm curious if : : anyone has ever tried this? : Yes, but this will also destroy the flavor of your honey. Wax melts at : approximately 150 degrees F., My understanding is that temperatures : above approximately 120 degrees F. will damage honey flavor (those in : the know, does this have anything to do with the temperature at which : enzymes start breaking down?) Certainly, boiling it will damage it. I'm not sure if you are considering this or just curious. Exhibitors of honey samples extract without an extractor all the time. They incline a warm (90 degrees F) comb with open cells -- either carefully uncapped, or just beginning to be capped -- at 60 degrees to the horizontal with the bottom end sitting on a (preferably glass) cookie sheet, and stroke the comb slowly and forcefully with the smooth side of a spoon to force the honey out and down the comb unto the perfectly clean sheet. This way no air or pollen or wax gets incorporated and the sample, if run immediately into a jar that is also perfectly clean and free of odors (check the cardboard on the underside of the lid for *any* odors) , one gets about as perfect a sample as possible (after careful skimming). The comb can be replaced in the hive and is quickly repaired and the remaining honey tidied up. If you are considering this method of extracting for some reason, an old washing machine wringer would probably work on a larger scale if the combs were warm, but the mechanical wringers might be a little fast. I wouldn't recommend it for a number of reasons, but go ahead. On the chance you are just avoiding the hassle and expense of extracting, Ross Rounds are a good solution to that, and provide a much better price than extracted honey, as well as making an ever welcome pocket sized gift. They are available at any dealer, or come to think of it I have some nearly new supers for sale. Allen Dick -- ______________________________________________________ W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:04 EST 1995 Article: 1312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Georgia Beekeeping Date: 15 Feb 1995 01:51:10 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3hrmme$st8@gamera.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] MURRAY,JEFFREY P (jm67@acmex.gatech.edu) wrote: : I have never been able to get a definitive answer to this : question: does anyone know whether or not one needs to register : one's bees in Georgia? I realize a number of other states : require registration and regular inspections of hives, but : I have not been able to ascertain whether this is true of : Georgia or not. Anyone? : -- : MURRAY,JEFFREY P : Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 : uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!gtri!jeff.murray : Internet: jeff.murray@gtri.gatech.edu : contact Tom Kowalski Chief Apiary Inspector Georgia Dept of Agriculture Agriculture Bldg Capitol Square Atlanta,GA 30334 404-651-9486 For more info on beekeeping contact also Dr. Keith Delaplane Dept of Entomology Univ of GA Athens,GA Jerry Worrell, MD beekeeper member Maryland State Beekeepers Assoc. and Association of Southern MD Beekeepers. From rogerpost@delphi.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:05 EST 1995 Article: 1313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.delphi.com!rogerpost From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear fencing? Date: 15 Feb 1995 02:26:39 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com X-To: Roger Post Seems to me that an electric fence would work. I have no idea how a bear would react to an electric fence. Most of the time it will keep animals in or out but if they react to it with anger then they will just destroy the fence. I can not emagine anyother kind of fence that would work because the bear could clime a wooden fence and probably and chain link as well. What did your information say about a fence. From rogerpost@delphi.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:07 EST 1995 Article: 1314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.delphi.com!rogerpost From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey solids??? Date: 15 Feb 1995 02:26:56 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9502142127592.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com X-To: Roger Post >not a sweet victory for the use > honey but a victory for its sweet name. This company was using about 30 > drums of honey per month in another product and continued to do so. > > What started all this was as an invited VIP guest to this plant > I asked one simple question, "where is the Honey", and was given the run > around for most of a day by responsible people who should have known > better. I was finally shown a five pound can of honey and was supposed > to believe this was what was used in tens of thousands of cases of > packed product. > Andy: I think we all owe you a thank you. Honey should mean HONEY! From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:08 EST 1995 Article: 1315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear fencing? Date: 15 Feb 1995 21:53:10 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3htt46$gu3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote: >Bear fences are a standard practice in some areas of Northern Alberta. > >I seem to remember 3 strands of smooth wire. Beekeepers in the Virginia mountains use this same set-up. They spring for solar powered chargers too, and set them up in an empty hive! They use metal "T" posts. I think it was something like $150.00/yard but this is amortized over time and certainly worth it. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:09 EST 1995 Article: 1316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa Mite Date: 15 Feb 1995 23:47:39 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3hu3qs$nur@gamera.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] ted wirch (captted@teleport.com) wrote: : Does anybody have an opinion on using the Apistan Strips for Varoa Mite? : Questions like do you leave them in while you are collecting honey in your : supers? Do you remove the strips after 45 days? Do you leave them in for a : year? Like any good professional, you will follow the label directions which says to remove from the hive after 45 days. Only exception I would recommend is if you cannot get to the hives due to bad weather. Under any circumstances, they must be removed prior to putting supers on the hive. We must maintain honey as a clean natural food free of all pesticide residues. Help maintain the reputation of this valuable commodity! Jerry Worrell, 18 yr beekeeper, MD From durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk Fri Feb 17 22:22:10 EST 1995 Article: 1317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!durk.ellison From: durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk (Durk Ellison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 14:04:41 GMT Message-ID: <950215170518190@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 41 Hi Jordan, 30-Jan-95 00:08, Jordan Schwartz: wrote to All: Subject: Re: Six super winter!? JS> I spent a while going through my book trying to figure out what did them JS> in before I settled in on simple cold. I had apistan in there, so I JS> don't think this did it, and there didn't seem to be any signs of JS> foulbrood or the other common killers. In any case, with the hives right JS> JS> next to each other, I couldn't imagine one having something that the JS> other didn't...Thanks for the warning though: its a good point. JS> Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JS> JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology JS> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html JS> -!- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 JS> - Origin: Internet (2:254/236.0) JS> SEEN!BY: 245/100 2358/11 100 101 102 103 104 105 JS> @PATH: 254/236 214 231/100 245/100 2358/101 It would be interesting if you could give a more detailed account of what you saw when you opened and inspected the dead hive. Bees killed by Varroa, AFB and EFB are rather easy to detect. AFB and EFB by the smell and Varroa by searching the debris. ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from, Durk Ellison --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Durk Ellison BeeNet Finland (240:2358/100) From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Feb 17 22:22:12 EST 1995 Article: 1318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: bear fencing? Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:04:02 GMT Lines: 29 Bear fences are a standard practice in some areas of Northern Alberta. I seem to remember 3 strands of smooth wire. It is usual to hang cans of sardines (punctured with a nail in several spots) on each side so the bear won't accidently wander through it in the night and not notice it. Fur sometimes insulates. With the sardines, the bear touches the fence with his nose and is sure to want to leave. From then on he is 'fence trained'. Roger Post (rogerpost@delphi.com) wrote: : Seems to me that an electric fence would work. I have no idea how a bear would : react to an electric Roger Post (rogerpost@delphi.com) wrote: : Seems to me that an electric fence would work. I have no idea how a etc... : react to an electric fence. Most of the time it will keep animals in or out : but if they react to it with anger then they will just destroy the fence. fence. Most of the time it will keep animals in or out : but if they react to it with anger then they will just destroy the fence. : I can not emagine anyother kind of fence that would work because the bear : could clime a wooden fence and probably and chain link as well. : What did your information say about a fence. -- ______________________________________________________ W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:14 EST 1995 Article: 1319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MD Dept of Ag Open House 18 March 1995 Date: 16 Feb 1995 00:04:26 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3hu4qa$nur@gamera.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:3205 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1319 Summary: Keywords: The Maryland Dept of Agriculture is holding their 7th Annual Open House on 18 March at it's Headquarters, 50 Harry S.Truman Parkway Annapolis,MD. from 9 AM to 3 PM. Free gifts for the first 300 visitors. Food tastings, demonstrations,exhibits, computer arcade, aquaculture fish tank,lab tours, face painting, petting zoo, hog calling contest. National Honey Queen also is supposed to be present. Honey recipes will be available too! Learn about egg candling, wool spinnig, Maryland wines. Sale tables will include honey, homemade and gourmet foods, flowers, bedding plants and handcrafts. It's an event for the whole family. Please distribute this post widely if you are in commuting distance of Annapolis MD! Jerry Worrell, Maryland State Beekeepers Association From kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:15 EST 1995 Article: 1320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!webster.dartmouth.edu!kac From: kac@bunter.dartmouth.edu (Keith Cutting) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bears in the bee yard Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:44:43 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: webster.dartmouth.edu Keywords: Bears X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Living in New Hampshire, I have the misfortune of dealing with bears all the time. Winter hibernation excluded of course. Three strand electric wire powered by a solar fencer. I use a strip of bacon on the wire to fence train the bears. Grounding is of the utmost importance. In area where there is a lot of leaf mold on the ground, I spread 36" wide poultry netting on the ground. On average sized bears this will place their front feet on the netting when they reach for the bacon. Spring is the worst time. If the food supply is low, they'll take your hives powered up or not. A good solar fencer is around $180.00 12 gauge wire $25.00 a roll Post are around $2.00 ea. It doesn't take too many lost hives to pay for the prevention. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:16 EST 1995 Article: 1321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: 16 Feb 1995 00:16:52 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3hu5hk$kab@netnews.upenn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] -verville d.f. (mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com) wrote: : My 2 cents on extractors. : 3rd Heated honey should never be fed back to bees. Why not? - Dave From mfrost@primenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:18 EST 1995 Article: 1322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip017.lax.primenet.com!mfrost From: mfrost@primenet.com (Martha Frost) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:44:03 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 43 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip017.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca (PEI Environmental Network) writes: >From: peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca (PEI Environmental Network) >Subject: extracting honey >Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:52:48 -0400 from Sharon Labchuk >I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without >benefit of an extractor. I have three supers of honey and no >extractor (couldn't afford a new one last year and couldn't find >one used). I've tried scratching the combs open and letting them >drip into a container. This works alright but is extremely slow. >Any ideas? Hi Sharon, we have two hives, and decided last year for first time to extract honey. I used a large rubbermaid tub where I placed a frame in vertically and then scraped the comb down to the foundation with a stainless steel spatula-like the kind used for burger flipping in restaurants. I would *heat* the spatula in a pot of boiling water. I dont think it took more than a couple of minutes per frame, after I quit trying not to damage the foundation. After two frames, I would pour the tub into a colander lined with cheese cloth over another tub. After reading a remark about the best temperature for extracting in one of the Dadant books,(with or without extractor), I turned up the heat in my house to 90F, and the honey flowed like water. (Of course, I chose to extract in the short time of cool weather SoCal has!) It wasted a lot of honey, but I had more than enough to give for Christmas, and several holidays past that. (60+lbs) Last time, I went to the honey-supplier's and bought a plastic chinese-mfgd extractor. It holds two frames, I cut down on the extracting time, but it skittered on the floor, so it had to be held down with my feet braced on eithr side, on a damp towel. I also bought an electric uncapping knife-cut myself real good-but between the sanitary conditions, the *cauterization* and the healing power of the raw honey-I healed in a week! I found that the temperature is still important for draining-yep, bought a stainless steel drainer which was slow in cooler weather but not as messy as cheesecloth.It strained into a plastic tub with a gate-beat using a 4-cup cheesecloth-lined funnel!It can be done without the tools; it was amusing until the third day, when you cant quit but are quite sick of wax caps and honey everywhere. As soon as you can, get a stainless steel extractor! The American Bee Journal has ads in their classifieds where people sell used equiptment. Regards, Martha mfrost@primenet.com From psevern@iccu6.ipswichcity.qldgov.au Fri Feb 17 22:22:19 EST 1995 Article: 1323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iccu6!news From: Phil Severn Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Sender: news@ipswichcity.qld.gov.au Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:00:15 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp18.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au References: Organization: Global Infolinks Internet Server, Ipswich Qld Australia Lines: 10 mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: > > My 2 cents on extractors. > > 1st Invest in the very best you can afford! They hold thier resale value. > 2nd Avoid the plastic ones, they wobble, shake and then break!!! > 3rd Heated honey should never be fed back to bees. > I don't feed bees heated honey but out of curiosity why is this the case. I also agree whole heartedly with your views on extractors. From captted@teleport.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:20 EST 1995 Article: 1324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!news.teleport.com!ip-vanc-30.teleport.com!captted From: captted@teleport.com (ted wirch) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varoa Mite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 22:41:33 UNDEFINED Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-vanc-30.teleport.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Does anybody have an opinion on using the Apistan Strips for Varoa Mite? Questions like do you leave them in while you are collecting honey in your supers? Do you remove the strips after 45 days? Do you leave them in for a year? From jim2@xmission.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:22 EST 1995 Article: 1325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!slc14.xmission.com!jim2 From: jim2@xmission.com (Jim Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear fencing? Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 01:52:09 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc14.xmission.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) writes: >From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) >Subject: bear fencing? >Date: 15 Feb 1995 02:26:39 GMT >Seems to me that an electric fence would work. I have no idea how a bear would >react to an electric fence. Most of the time it will keep animals in or out >but if they react to it with anger then they will just destroy the fence. >I can not emagine anyother kind of fence that would work because the bear >could clime a wooden fence and probably and chain link as well. >What did your information say about a fence. Electric fences or wires are used through out the forests to keep bears from garbage bins. Zoos use them extensively also to keep bears and other animals from fighting. The pain will turn all but the most hungry bear away. I really doubt they would "get mad", just move on. From jlks@u.washington.edu Fri Feb 17 22:22:23 EST 1995 Article: 1326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!nntp.cac.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: 17 Feb 1995 04:55:24 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3i1a7s$buh@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <950215170518190@posnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer09.u.washington.edu durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk (Durk Ellison) writes: > It would be interesting if you could give a more detailed account > of what you saw when you opened and inspected the dead hive. > Bees killed by Varroa, AFB and EFB are rather easy to detect. > AFB and EFB by the smell and Varroa by searching the debris. The first thing I noticed upon opening the hives was virtually unmistakable lack of bees. This was my first tip that the hive was dead. There was no scent (which would have indicated foulbrood), nor were the dead larval bees (of which there were few) ropey. Instead, they appeared normal, just not moving. In fact, it appeared that a handful of bees were emerging from their cells when they died (i.e. they were half out, half in, fully developed). There was no visible sign of disease, except that a few of the pollen cells had a white coating over the top (I assume this is fungus of some sort normally cleared out by the bees). Maybe two cells had what looked like waxmoth in them, but I assume that this sprang up because the hive was so weak, not the other way around. There was a pile of dead bees on the bottom board, but given that the whole hive was represented there, it was clear that it was weak when they died (or else many left to die). There were heavy stores of honey (thus the start of this thread: what do I do with it, since I don't have an extractor, and its not worth my while to extract only two supers worth), so they didn't starve. Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From pollinator@aol.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:24 EST 1995 Article: 1327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa Mite Message-ID: <3hug7v$brp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Date: 15 Feb 1995 22:19:27 -0500 Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com References: Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Lines: 20 From: captted@teleport.com (ted wirch) >Does anybody have an opinion on using the Apistan Strips for Varoa Mite? Questions like do you leave them in while you are collecting honey in your supers? Of course not! It is required by law to read and follow label directions. Remember this is a pesticide and NOT following directions is pesticide MISuse. The directions specifically say not to have strips in while producing honey. Not obeying could lead to honey contamination. Honey has a good name for purity. Let's keep it! Also: >Do you remove the strips after 45 days? Do you leave them in for a year? Ditto: read and follow label directions! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:25 EST 1995 Article: 1328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stats on News Group Jan Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 06:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <950217132053898@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 23 Offline Xpress Message Folder File - Created on 1995-02-16 Some Boring Stats on Beekeeping News Group Not sure of the date, assume Jan 95. Not sure if you are interested but posted it anyway cause somebody did a lot of work gathering it. ttul Andy- +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (megabytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 9600 79 53% 130 0.2 11% 0.02 0.1% sci.agr.beekeeper Please don't ask me to decode this yet as this is the first one I have seen. As I find out more I will let you in on it.. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:26 EST 1995 Article: 1329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: some Honey Prices Jan Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <950216170028890@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 26 ___________________________________________________________________ (///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some January 1995 Honey Prices (sales in Dec) | | | | Ca Alfalfa mix exl-la .45 - .46 FOB | | Nd Clover ww .50 - .57 " | | Fl Orange w .50 " | | Fl " exl .49 - .51 " | | Fl Mixed Flowers la-a .43 - .45 " | | Tx Tallow exl-la .46 - .47 fob | | Canadian uk w .53 (US) poe | | China Mixed w .43 1/4 poe | | Argentina Clover w .53 3/4 poe Mar-Apr | | Argentina uk w .47 1/2 | | | | INPORTS TO USA through Oct 94 46,000,000 kilograms | [_____________________________________________________________________] FOB=fright paid, POE=fright paid to point of entry From pollinator@aol.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:28 EST 1995 Article: 1330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Message-ID: <3hugpe$c1u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Date: 15 Feb 1995 22:28:46 -0500 Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com References: <3hrq87$p2p@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Lines: 11 Sharon Labchuk says: >I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without benefit of an extractor. Another thought: You can take a cappings scratcher (available from bee supply places), and carefully scratch away the comb until you are almost to the midrib. Then strain the result through some pantyhose. Works best if it is warm. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 17 22:22:29 EST 1995 Article: 1331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 07:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950216074011884@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 106 |-----------------|Dicka@cuug.Ab.Ca (allen Dick 546-2588)refer#: None wrote: >David J Trickett (djt@dolphin.upenn.edu) wrote: >: Jordan Schwartz (jlks@u.washington.edu) wrote: >: : It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without t >: : aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back >: : about honey harvesters in the Himalayas or some such far flung locale >: : where they would seperate the wax from the honey by boiling (heating) >: : it. Needless to say, this will destroy your comb, but I'm curious if >: : anyone has ever tried this? > >: Yes, but this will also destroy the flavor of your honey. Wax melts at >: approximately 150 degrees F., My understanding is that temperatures >: above approximately 120 degrees F. will damage honey flavor (those in >: the know, does this have anything to do with the temperature at which >: enzymes start breaking down?) Certainly, boiling it will damage it. |----end quotes---------------------------------| Gosh Guys, ______________________ (//////////////////////) I was not going to get into this, butt, (//////////////////////) for sure this is not a recommendation. /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Wild Flower! | Forty years ago when I was several years | | younger and had lots of hair, I had a | _ _ \ / | neighbor who was a native of France and | | |_| | __ _ \/ | a old time beekeeper. You know the kind | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | with a full flowing beard and bib cover- | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | alls diving around in a beat up old Dodge | | 12 cylinder truck running on 10. | Product of USA..16oz | |________________________| Anyway this old beeman was truly a good beekeeper if only a little hard to understand because of his broken English and French accents but we both spoke the common language of beekeeping. Being young myself and with a real vacuum for bee knowledge I watched and listen to every word as he worked one of his bee yards in an eucalyptus or blue gum grove. The flow was on and the black beasts he called his French bees filled the air and the supers were chuck a block full of honey. Don't remember getting stung more then a few times, I had not veil as he wore none and to do less would certainty show disrespect towards his bees or or his beekeeping skills, or some such bull. But for certain if I would have looked a little foolish wearing a veil when he had none. He did have a tulle veil wrapped around his straw hat, the first one I had ever seen, and was smoking the bees with a big smoker filled with eucalyptus leaves and bark. The pungent odor which still turns my clock back when I remember to take some out with me to my own bee yards. I learned a lot during my visits with this beeman, about keeping bees maybe the old way he brought with him from France. How to raise queens without a grafting tool and the like. I did not get into extracting honey until many visits later. I had seen his honey in its clean attractive labeled quart mason jars in several local stores and assumed he had a extracting setup like the one's I had read about in the bee journals and seen on other beekeeper visits. Hopefully better then what I had in the old pump house. One day several years later, by now I knew it all, and had bees of my own, I looked this old beeman up to see how he was doing and look at his extracting set up. When I dropped in he was busy jarring up some nice looking honey, blue gum, not sage or clover, and it was a good extra light amber, just missing a low white in color and I tasted it and no doubts about it, it was eucalyptus, as all eucalyptus tastes like eucalyptus. Its not bad, if you have never tasted it, it will remind you of old fashioned cough drops.. Never was sure if eating those box after box of cough drops would make me any sicker then the cough, but I know the Smith Brothers were part of my early life as a box of these would go farther at the 15 cent Saturday matinee then just about anything else you could get for a nickel. I always got a quarter on Saturday to go to the town theater, the one we called the flea house, so I could get two boxes, saved me many a time from biting my tongue during the best part of the saturday serial and from throwing my pop corn around if I had got some instead of the Smith Bro's, and the cowboy hero would dare kiss anything but his horse. Anyway his honey house as his honey was clean, neat, and attractive. I then notice nothing that appeared to be an extractor, lots of nice shinney stainless steal double boilers, the kind you used to see at the fish market for boiling fresh crabs alive, to watch them turn red, but no extractors. So I asked, and was told he never owned one....Yes he melted the honey out of the combs, cut it out first, and put the wired frame's back in the hives with starter foundation, a small strip attached to the top of the frames for the bees to cluster on and draw out new combs. Of course these combs would have lots of wild size cells or drone cells, but over the years he had saved out plenty of good brood combs that I would not have known the difference from drawn combs on good foundation. He was not the only old time beekeeper I knew that did not use foundation, but the only one I met that produced honey and did not own an extractor. How did he do it, well for sure he never boiled the honey or it would be as dark as a black night and have a taste that would stay with you far longer then the calories. He heated it just hot enough to melt the wax, and then drew the honey off from the bottom. His tanks were water jacked and heated with adjustable gas burners. His wax was very nice looking and he turned it into hand dipped candles. To this day I would not criticize this beeman for his method of extracting honey, it worked for him and my guess it worked for his dad and his dad's dad. He had no trouble selling his honey and people would come to his home to pick it up, and it sold well in the few stores he marketed it in. He's long gone now and with him a page of history in this area as I have not met any other beeman then or since that extracts his honey this way. ttul Andy- From phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 19 12:11:38 EST 1995 Article: 1332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!warwick!not-for-mail From: phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dr G A Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:29 -0000 Organization: University of Warwick, Coventry, UK Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3i1t1t$m79@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crocus-fddi.csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: >It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without the >aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back >about honey harvesters in the Himalayas or some such far flung locale >where they would seperate the wax from the honey by boiling (heating) >it. Needless to say, this will destroy your comb, but I'm curious if >anyone has ever tried this. Here in the UK a major crop is oil seed rape, much favoured by the bees. The honey produced from this crop granulates in a few weeks, or less! If it granulates in the comb it is very hard to extract. In the past I have resorted to melting the whole comb and letting the liquid cool. The wax can then be lifted off and the honey poured. The secret is not to let the mixture get too hot otherwise the honey will be damaged, but it does mean that you can at least get at the stuff. This method is not really to be recomended as it destroys comb, thereby making more work for both bees and beekeeper, and it risks damage to the honey. It also takes a very long time to do properly as the heating rate is slow, it must NOT be boiled, 65C is high enough. Graham G.A.Cooke@csv.warwick.ac.uk From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun Feb 19 12:11:39 EST 1995 Article: 1333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 17 Feb 1995 14:38:46 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 71 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3i2cdm$s1q@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] PEI Environmental Network (peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca) wrote: : I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without : benefit of an extractor. I have three supers of honey and no : extractor (couldn't afford a new one last year and couldn't find : one used). I've tried scratching the combs open and letting them : drip into a container. This works alright but is extremely slow. : Any ideas? : : Sharon Labchuk : peien@peinet.pe.ca :  I did a little more reading on the topic(s) and found a couple things to add. First, in answer to my own question of why you shouldn't feed honey that has been heated to bees, the reason seems to have to do with whether or not the honey gets caramelized as a result of the heating. According to Dadant's "First Lessons in Beekeeping," sour (partially fermented) honey can be fed back to bees after heating, but the temperature should not exceed 150 degrees and the heating period should be as short as possible. They don't go into specifics, but I'm assuming the heat drives off the alcohol. (For the record, I think I'd stay away from feeding fermented honey to bees even if you did heat it. It might make an interesting vinegar though.) The point is that "heated honey," per se, apparently can be fed back to bees under some circumstances at least. "The Hive and the Honey Bee" warns that caramelization can occur if honey is overheated (for example, exceeding 150 degrees or without a water jacket/double boiler setup). This may be the basis for general injunctions against feeding heated honey. I.e., caramelization changes the chemical composition of the constituent sugars to substances the bees can't process. Unfortunately, I did not find any overt references to the feeding of heated honey to bees (pro or con) in this text. As for the discussion regarding gentle/flash heating/warming of honey for extraction purposes, VOCs (volatile organic compounds - not the same one's that are smog precursors though) are a significant contributor to the flavor/aroma of honey and these, by definition, have a low heat of vaporization (i.e., it doesn't take much in the way of heat to drive them off). So, while I certainly agree you can heat heat honey to facilitate extraction, and that in the absence of an extractor, melting the comb may be the only viable means of processing LARGE amounts, I maintain that doing so reduces the quality in terms of flavor. If you are a hobbyist, this is probably the the quality you are trying to maximize. In addition, enzymes are also present in honey, do break down with moderate heat, and are essential for the "ripening" process. Some of these (e.g., sucrase) continue operating after capping, others (e.g., glucose oxidase) don't). As a matter of fact, the concentration in honey of a third (diastase) is sometimes used to estimate exposure to heating (this has some problems due to concurrent breakdown of the enyzme with aging, and because the level in fresh honey is not a constant). I haven't seen anything in the literature indicating that enyzyme content contributes to the flavor of honey, however (besides altering sugar ratios). In the context of the original question - extracting a few dozen frames - if you are willing to destroy the comb in the process of extracting, you might as well squeeze the honey out and at least maximize your harvest. If you want to preserve the comb, the advice given by other writers about scraping ) particularly at or about hive temperatures) seems sound - though awfully slow. But I still caution you about water absorption - the bees do cap the cells for a reason, afterall. (In a dry climate, this may not be a problem - here in PA, during the humid summer months, it'd be asking for trouble.) - Dave From I.McDonald@open.ac.uk Sun Feb 19 12:11:40 EST 1995 Article: 1334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: I.McDonald@open.ac.uk () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 17 Feb 1995 13:03:41 GMT Organization: The Open University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3i26rd$p00@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <3i1t1t$m79@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Reply-To: I.McDonald@open.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: keer.open.ac.uk In article <3i1t1t$m79@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dr G A Cooke) writes: > In article <3hqr11$5rs@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, > jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) writes: > >It seems to me that once upon a time, people extracted honey without the > >aid of mechanical devices. I saw a PBS special a couple months back ... > Here in the UK a major crop is oil seed rape, much favoured by the > bees. The honey produced from this crop granulates in a few weeks, > or less! If it granulates in the comb it is very hard to extract. > In the past I have resorted to melting the whole comb and letting the > liquid cool. The wax can then be lifted off and the honey poured. If the comb is to be destroyed (I too have been caught out with oil seed rape honey crystallizing) then why not just cut out the comb and honey in chunks... put in the fridge in a box to keep cool and firm... delicious on its own (beats fudge toffee) or on bread. The down side is the extra work for the bees drawing new comb on the foundation to replace the one just destroyed. My neighbours keep asking if I've got any more 'ruined frames' :-) Regards, Ian McD From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Feb 19 12:11:42 EST 1995 Article: 1335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 13:16:12 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <17347BA9FS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3hu5hk$kab@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3hu5hk$kab@netnews.upenn.edu> djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) writes: > >-verville d.f. (mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com) wrote: >: My 2 cents on extractors. > >: 3rd Heated honey should never be fed back to bees. > >Why not? > Heated honey causes the honey to caramelize (akin to sugar and molasses) and the caramelized honey causes dysentery in the bees. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Feb 19 12:11:44 EST 1995 Article: 1336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis 2/95 Date: 18 Feb 1995 02:28:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 275 Message-ID: <3i3lvo$8b@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: Bee, beekeeping, apis, magazine, sanford, Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 13, Number 2, February 1995 Copyright (c) 1995 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" FRANK RANDALL DIES Florida beekeeping lost yet another committed leader with the death of Frank Randall in January. He served the industry in many ways over the last four decades, including the presidency and vice presidency of the Sioux Bee Honey Cooperative. Frank was an active member and sometimes officer of the South Florida Beekeepers Association, Central Florida Beekeepers Association, Tampa Bay Beekeepers Association and the Florida State Beekeepers Association. He also was a recently-appointed member of the National Honey Board and a long-time supporter of the American Beekeeping Federation. Many knew Frank as the second-generation operator of Randall's Wax Works. Those of us in Florida also knew him as a person who would participate at almost any gathering of importance to the bee industry. He was especially active at meetings of the Honey Bee Technical Council of the Division of Plant Industry, Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Frank brought a wealth of knowledge about bees and beekeeping to industry concerns, and it was often used to advance deliberations toward successful conclusions. For his contributions to the apicultural industry, he was honored as the 1989 "Beekeeper of Year" by the Florida State Beekeepers Association and received an award with the same title in 1994 from the Sioux Bee Honey Association. Frank was also active in other organizations, not intimately associated with beekeeping. He was a member of the Moore Haven, Glades County and Umatilla fire departments, the Glades County Hunt Club and a veteran of the National Guard. Florida's bee industry will miss Frank Randall in many ways. He was truly one of the sunshine state's beekeeping icons. Fortunately, his legacy will live on in the Wax Works that bears his family's name. Frank's wife, Charlotte, along with the other Randalls of Umatilla, plan to continue providing the quality beeswax foundation that many have come to rely on, not only in the southeast, but all across in the United States. FLUVALINATE--USE IT RIGHT OR LOSE IT! It is now official! Resistance to fluvalinate, the active ingredient in Apistan (R), has been found in Varroa mites. This was published in the February 1995 issue of Bee Culture (Vol. 123, No. 2, pp. 80-81) in "9th International Congress of Acarology," by E. Sugden, K. Williams and D. Sammataro. According to these authors: "The most ominous report came from Dr. Roberto Nannelli of Italy. He has found areas where Varroa mites are over 90 percent fluvalinate-resistant, and his claims have been confirmed by German scientists." Oscar Coindreau, representative of Sandoz Agro, the company that makes Apistan (R), also verified this report at the recent meeting of the American Beekeeping Federation in Austin, TX. He indicated that resistance was patchy in Italy, but in certain areas, Apistan (R) provided no control. And it doesn't take much resistance before Apistan (R) loses its effectiveness, according to Mr. Coindreau, because anything less than 99 percent control, is in reality, no control. That's because mite populations tend to bounce back so readily in populous bee colonies. All investigators indicate that the cause of this resistance is not Apistan (R), but beekeepers' misuse of other formulations of fluvalinate. In Europe the product is called Klartan (R) and in the United States, Mavrik (R). All agree the use of these chemical products soaked into wooden strips, cardboard, paper towels, or in some cases, simply sprayed into colonies, is a certain recipe for developing resistant Varroa mites. Although considered "ominous" in Europe, in the United States resistant mites mean disaster. That's because most other countries of the world have alternative treatments that are legal. According to the authors of the article: "In general, European scientists felt that the best way to slow development of resistance in the mites is to have at least two types of treatment which could be applied alternately." This advice is mirrored in many other situations where possible resistance in organisms to pesticides and antibiotics exists (see "When Bugs Fight Back," APIS, Vol. 12, No. 11, November 1994). It turns out that some European countries even have three Varroa mite treatments to turn to, rotating Apistan (R) with formic acid and amitraz. In contrast to those in Europe, United States beekeepers have only one legal treatment, Apistan (R). The only other candidate treatment at the moment in the United States is formic acid. Although generally effective, there can be many complications in using this product, including, queen and worker loss even when applied correctly. It is also caustic, one reason it is not looked on favorably by regulatory officials. According to one German researcher, efforts need to be increased to develop a formic acid-based product that is safe and foolproof, and can be registered quickly. The authors of the article, therefore, conclude: "It may not be a question of 'if' but only 'when and where' the first super-Varroa mites will show up in North America. This should serve a warning to all beekeepers to use control methods only as directed on their labels." The best way to ensure killing as many mites as possible without developing super Varroa resistant to fluvalinate is to use Apistan (R) right and only once. This philosophy, along with proper application recommendations, was published in the fall 1994, Apiculture Newsletter, published by the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Here is what the authors (G. Grant, and M. Nasr, in consultation with L. Goczan of Sandoz Agro Canada) say in their article "Apistan Strips - Use'em Right, Use'em once!": "Apistan (R) is a plastic strip that contains a miticide, fluvalinate. Fluvalinate is a contact poison that kills Varroa mite. But Varroa mites must contact the right dose before they die. "Fluvalinate does not mix with water, but it does mix well with oils and waxes. As bees walk over the strip, the fluvalinate moves into the oils found on the surface of their bodies. When bees contact each other in the hive, the miticide is passed on. In a matter of hours all the bees in the hive are covered with fluvalinate. Adult mites that contact these bees will be killed by the miticide. "As fluvalinate is picked up from the surface of the strip the concentration drops. More fluvalinate then moves out from the center of the strip to the outside surface. The strip is designed to deliver the correct amount of miticide to the surface over the 42-day treatment period. "Eventually most of the fluvalinate is removed from the strip -- the strip is spent. There is no longer enough miticide left in the strip to kill Varroa mites.... "Why a 42-day treatment period? Worker bees take 21 days to develop from egg to adult. Drones need up to 24 days to develop. By leaving the strips in the hive for 42 days or two worker bee generations, all adult mites and their matured offspring will be exposed to the miticide. Remember, the mite must contact the fluvalinate in order to be killed. Mites in capped brood cells escape exposure until they emerge from the cell with the adult bee. "Why not leave strips in over winter? Because two potential problems might occur: 1. Residues- fluvalinate mixes with oils and waxes. Leaving strips in over winter might result in a build up of residues in the wax. 2. Resistance- mites are not equally susceptible to fluvalinate. Leaving mites in contact with spent strips may kill the most susceptible mites, leaving the more resistant mites to reproduce in their place." "Use one (1) strip for every five (5) frames covered by bees in brood boxes. Some strong hives may need three strips, some weak hives will only need one. Place strips down between the frames so that they contact each side of the cluster. The average hive will likely need two. "Can Apistan strips be reused? No, with one exception. There is no sure way of knowing if enough fluvalinate remains in a strip to guarantee that it will work a second time. "The exception: If the strip was used once, only for three days to detect mites, and if the strip was then stored properly between use, you might reuse the strip. You might reuse it for either detecting mites for a 3-day period or for one 42-day treatment. "Store strips in a cool, dry and dark location wrapped in aluminum foil in an air-tight bag. Avoid direct sunlight. Don't store strips near chemicals or pesticides. Don't store strips where they could contaminate food, feed or water. "In Ontario, Apistan (R) is registered as a Schedule 3 pesticide. As with other 'homeowner' products, strips are approved for disposal in municipal landfills. Some municipalities have their own special requirements for disposal of Schedule 3 pesticides." In the United States, the instructions on the label are the law. They must be followed, even if varying from what the authors say in the above article or other writings on the subject. In addition, when applying Apistan (R), or any registered chemical, the person must have in his possession a copy of the label. Thus, when it comes to Apistan (R), the old adage, "use it or lose it," must be modified. If U.S. beekeepers are to maximize the utility of the one legal and effective treatment they have for Varroa, what many consider the most dangerous organism affecting beekeeping today, they must "use it right or lose it." NATIONAL HONEY BOARD EVALUATES ITSELF What do you get for your money? That's the question the National Honey Board (NHB) tried to answer at the recent American Beekeeping Fedearation convention in Austin, TX. To set the stage, the executive director Bob Smith said, the Board's goal is to promote and maintain existing demand for honey and while increasing demand in selected markets. The NHB must not be crisis oriented, he said, but must focus on what it does best, long-range promotional efforts of honey. One indication of industry support, Mr. Smith concluded, is that the vast majority of handlers are assiduously collecting NHB assessments in a timely manner. The NHB budget is about $3 million. Sherry Jennings the Board's industry relations director, provided an overview on how this money is being used. The vast majority is honey promotion (50%), followed by food technology (16%) and Foodservice (10%). Product research consumes six percent and crisis management four percent. table shows that most funds being expended in consumer promotion. In keeping with its basic mission, the Board engages in a great many advertising projects throughout the year and has an excellent rapport with the press. There have been a couple of "Hints for Heloise" columns that featured honey, due to the efforts of Mary Humann, the Board's press relations officer. Any beekeeper can also request a honey sales kit from the Board, as well as brochures to help in local sales efforts. Contact the Board toll free at 800/553-7162. Perhaps the most exciting area for the Board is the development of new products. Ms. Jennings discussed projects concerned with honey meats (poultry particularly), honey frozen deserts (yogurt), honey spreads, and honey beers. Several microbreweries have launched honey-based beer with good success, including Samuel Adams. Other research being supported by the Board, Ms. Jennings said, is concerned with honey and fat systems (peanut butter), honey and flavor enhancement, honey in microwaveable foods, and honey use in fat-free potato chips and frozen baking dough. It is impossible to describe all the programs and initiatives described at the Austin meeting, but fortunately, the Board has published a brochure detailing many of them, along with thumbnail sketches and photos of all Board members. It is called "Building a Successful Future." This publication reveals the vitality of the Board's programs and makes excellent promotional material for those who ask where their assessments are going and how they are being spent. For a copy contact the Office of the American Beekeeping Federation, P.O. Box 1048, Jesup, GA 31545, ph 912/427-8447. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web--http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1995 "All Rights Reserved" -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Sun Feb 19 12:11:45 EST 1995 Article: 1337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Extracting Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:41:47 GMT Lines: 6 My 2 cents on extractors. 1st Invest in the very best you can afford! They hold thier resale value. 2nd Avoid the plastic ones, they wobble, shake and then break!!! 3rd Heated honey should never be fed back to bees. From 76012.1452@CompuServe.COM Sun Feb 19 12:11:46 EST 1995 Article: 1338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: TOM LEWIS <76012.1452@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting honey nylon buckets Date: 17 Feb 1995 04:42:46 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3i19g6$9c3$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> I have extracted honey from my bees for 8 years without an extractor. First, i use plastic super frames with a solid central patterned panel. I also have a series of three clean nylon 5 gallon buckets. The bottom one has a honey gate, the middle one has numerous 1/8th inch holes drilled into it. The last bucket has had the bottom cut out of it and serves to create a long enough space to hold several frames and get the lid on the top bucket. When its time to harvest, I take a super at a time and after clearing it of bees, bring it to my stack - o - buckets. Taking 1 frame at a time I use a hive tool to scrape the comb into the bucket with a minimum of damage to the cell bottoms. I can get 3 frames in the bucket at a time. I let them drain and then put them in a super to give back to the bees. The honey drains through the holes, settles for a day or so and then gated into jars. The bees pick and clean the wax scrap, leaving relatively clean wax. I find the bees can redraw the comb in 3-4 days if they really need it. total cost.. 1 honey gate. Be sure you use food grade nylon buckets. Mine came from an ice cream factory and held cherries for the cherry ice cream. be glad to send drawings or more detail Tom Lewis Richmond, Va 25 yrs beekeeper From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Feb 19 12:11:47 EST 1995 Article: 1339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 05:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950218074024902@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 13 *found road killed on the internet highway* <> This message was from Ab Mobasher Mid Amber Honey From China @$1,250 MT US Chicken $@985MT Mongolian Beef @$1,655MT For mor information please include your street address, Fax/ph. <> From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Feb 19 12:11:49 EST 1995 Article: 1340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:02:14 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3i6fs6$2dv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950218074024902@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Andy Nachbaur wrote: >*found road killed on the internet highway* ><> >This message was from Ab Mobasher > >Mid Amber Honey From China @$1,250 MT >US Chicken $@985MT >Mongolian Beef @$1,655MT > >For mor information please include your street address, Fax/ph. > Andy: please tell us what this means. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Feb 20 22:40:12 EST 1995 Article: 1341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:51:37 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3hui49$4r3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3hrq87$p2p@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3hugpe$c1u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3hugpe$c1u@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Pollinator wrote: >Sharon Labchuk says: >>I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without >benefit of an extractor. > > Another thought: You can take a cappings scratcher (available from >bee supply places), and carefully scratch away the comb until you are >almost to the midrib. Then strain the result through some pantyhose. >Works best if it is warm. In a pinch you can use a fork. -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Feb 20 22:40:14 EST 1995 Article: 1342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-6.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:36:03 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 186 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-6.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] The following info was posted on talk.politics.animals. The responses are mine. Please add anything you think is necessary, as I am a newbie beekeeper. I tried to be as precise as possible, though. Cross-posting is cool, sometimes. >> dgraft@news.gate.net (Donald Graft) writes: >>Here is the PeTA Factsheet covering bees. All the factsheets will soon >>be available on the imminent PeTA homepage. >> Each year, the down, silk, and honey industries kill thousands of >> geese, silkworms, and bees, respectively. Silk and honey producers >> excuse their actions with claims that worms and bees are "simple" >> forms of life, but consumers are beginning to question the unnecessary >> killing of even tiny, sometimes socially complex creatures like these. > >>How About Honey? >> In the honey industry, the buzz word is profit. Like factory farmers, >> many beekeepers take inhumane steps to ensure personal safety and >> reach production quotas. It is not unusual for larger honey producers >> to cut off the wings of the queen bee so that she cannot leave the >> colony, or to have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version >> of the factory farm "rape rack." (6) >The cutting of wings is typically done to either mark the queen or reduce >(not eliminate) the ability of the colony to swarm. There is absolutely NO >indication that this causes the queen bee (which can sting) any discomfort. >The "rape rack" is obviously an emotional plea based on non-relevant material. >Artificial insemination is no more a rape than the gang rape that virgin >queens would get under natural conditions. >> When the keeper wants to move a >> queen to a new colony, she is carried with "body-guard" bees, all of >> whom--if they survive transport-- will be killed by bees in the new >> colony. >This is a complete lie. The bees shipped with the queen in the cage are not >"body-guards", they are "nurses". When the new queen and her attendants (in >the cage) are placed in the queenless hive, the workers eat the candy plug >from one end of the cage. Meanwhile, honey and pollen are being passed back >and forth through the wire of the cage, therby spreading the new queen's >pheremones throughout the hive. By the time the candy plug is removed, the >hive will accept the new queen AND her attendants. >> Large commercial operations also may take all the honey instead of >> leaving the 60 pounds or so that bees need to get through the winter. >> They replace the rich honey with a cheap sugar substitute that is not >> as fortifying or tasty. >This is perhaps misleading. What is meant by a "cheap sugar substitute"? Is >such cases, sugar (sucrose) is fed to the bees to get them through the winter. >No sugar substitute is sufficient. Nutrisweet and saccharin are not used. >Bees actually prefer food sources based mainly on sugar content. For example, >a 50 % sugar solution (a cheap sugar substitute- by the PETA definition) is >preferred by bees who have free access to nectar with a 40% sugar >concentration (Free, J.B., and M.V. Smith, 1961). They are apparently capable >of determining which food source is most efficient for them to gather and >base this decision on sugar content and distance from the hive. >A summary for this: the bees do think sugar is fortifying and tasty. >> In colder areas, if the keepers consider it >> too costly to keep the bees alive through the winter, "disposable" >> hives allow them to destroy the hives by pouring gasoline on them, >> killing most of the bees with the fumes, and setting them on fire. >Another lie. >I wish I knew where I could get some of these "disposable" hives. None of my >beekeeping suply catalogs have such equipment. A commercial-sized hive >typically costs more than $400. Clearly, such a practice would not be >cost-effective. >Hives are destroyed by fire for other reasons, however. It is generally >required by law to burn hives infected with American Foulbrood, caused by the >bacterium Bacillus larvae. This disease is HIGHLY contagious and responds >only moderately to antibiotics- which cannot be used during a honey flow. >Since the causal agent can exist as a stress-resistant spore, the only real >treatment is complete destruction of the hive. The bees are killed, and the >beekeeper is out his $400. >> Other times, keepers, who feel that lost bees are easily replaced, >> allow them to die when trees are sprayed with insecticide. >More lies. >It is not possible to prevent bees exposed to pesticides from dying, >though there generally are legal means of prosecuting someone who sprays >pesticide on honey crops without warning beekeepers. A general claim that >beekeeping is an industry based on profits is not supported by a practice of >haphazard killing of bees. If bees are killed by pesticide, that often means >that that hive will either be killed or severely weakened (depending on the >pesticide), and the beekeeper will have NO honey surplus from that hive that >year. It is not a trivial thing to build up a strong, economically-viable >hive and commercial beekeepers work very hard to limit the dangers their bees >face. >> Bees are often killed, >> or their wings and legs torn off, by haphazard handling. >Yes, this is true. Bees are also killed by animal rights Nazis going for >walks in the park. So what. Beekeepers generally take great care to minimize >the number of bees injured or killed during hive manipulation for a very >simple reason: when bees are injured, they tend to sting. When bees sting, >they release an alarm chemical, isoamyl acetate, which incites other bees to >sting. Beekeepers generally wish to minimize the stings they receive, and it >is common to NOT get stung when manipulating a hive. >> To produce a pound of honey, bees must get pollen from 2 million >> flowers, and must fly more than 55,000 miles. (7) Honeybees >> returning to the hive from a pollen-seeking expedition "dance" in >> figure eights to "map out" a route for other bees to follow. These >> dances "encode information about the distance and direction of a >> target that can be miles away from the nest," said Thomas D. Seeley of >> Cornell University. (8) >Does this somehow represent an official PETA position on the exploitation of >bees? >> According to the Cook-DuPage Beekeepers' Association, humans have been >> using honey since about 15,000 B.C., but it took until the 20th >> century for people to turn bees into factory-farm animals. In 1987 the >> honey "crop" netted $115.4 million. (9) >Again, is this a PETA position? Or is it just an opportunity to use the >buzz-words factory farm? Factory farms produce nearly all the food we eat, >including the food the animal rights Nazis eat. >> Luckily, many sweeteners are >> made without killing bees: rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, barely malt, >> maple syrup, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can replace honey >> in recipes. (10) Use these substitutes to keep your diet bee-free. >Lucky for whom? None of these products can replace honey in recepies without >changing the flavor. Maple syrup is probably the only thing in your list that >I enjoy. Unfortunately, it costs about $25/gallon. > >> REFERENCES >> 1. "And a Cow Jumped Over the Moon," The Animals' Voice, February >> 1989, p. 56. >> 2. Henry Kamm, "No Bed of Feathers for a Goose in Hungary," The New >> York Times, June 2, 1988. >> 3. Ibid. >> 4. Marcia Pearson, "Down," The Compassionate Shopper, Winter 1987-88. >> 5. Al Schneider, "Down-Filled Clothing vs. Synthetics," Letters, The >> Washington Post Health Section, Jan. 16, 1990. >> 6. Arthur Ling, "Ain't So Sweet: The Other Side of Honey," The Vegan, >> Spring 1988, pp. 12-13. >> 7. Wally Spiers, Belleville News-Democrat, Sept. 11, 1988. >> 8. Rick Weiss, "New Dancer in the Hive," Science News, Oct. 28, 1989, >> p. 282. >> 9. Spiers. >> 10. Victoria Moran, "Leaving the Land of Milk and Honey," The Animals' >> Agenda, March 1988, p. 48. >Very few of your references are unbiased. The good references do not support >your goal of vilifying beekeepers as evil. > >> [IMAGE] People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals >> P.O. Box 42516, Washington, DC 20015 >> 301-770-PETA >>-- >>Donald Graft >>Read the Animal Rights FAQ! available from...dgraft@gate.net >>Animal Rights Resource Site (ARRS) http://www.umanitoba.ca/arrs/index.html >Thanks for the easy flamebait, Don. You PETA people mean well at heart, >except that you are imprecise, distort the truth, and lie in order to promote >your bizarre values. It is completely ridiculous that no animals should ever >be killed as a result of human actions. >Dave >------------------------------------------------------------- >The following is not my opinion. It is Thrill's. >It is funny only because we know she means it. >Don't act like being an omnivore is natural. You are an omnivore by >choice. It is your choice because you don't care about animals and you >are a murderer. You are a murderer because you are inherintly evil. >You are evil because you sent to earth by satan. The moral of the story? >Thrill is an angel sent from heaven to destroy all evil. Rejoice! >------------------------------------------------------------- From prgramly@prairienet.org Mon Feb 20 22:40:15 EST 1995 Article: 1343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!prgramly From: prgramly@prairienet.org (Phillip R. Gramly) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen raising in a backyard lot Date: 19 Feb 1995 06:21:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3i6o17$of5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: prgramly@prairienet.org (Phillip R. Gramly) NNTP-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org I have been amoung the bees for 3 years now in central Illinois, the land of many of the bee inovating greats. for as short a time as i've been in this, i've had a broad range of experience. i've had trouble getting my bees thru the winter. last winter i had three hives going in and only came out with one. so i ordered a 2 lb. package and did a simple split with my one and only hive. i thought it was going to be a rebuilding year so i was surprised when they produced 100 lb.s of surplus and were very heavy going into the winter months. (warm day today and i was delighted to see the little ladies coming out of both hives to stretch their wings.) Now to my question: i would like to make increase this year and wind up with 3-4 more hives. my first thought was to simply buy as many queens as new hives i wanted and split them all up. but then i read about raising queens on a small scale by removing the queen from a hive and letting the bees raise the queens for me. this line of thinking raised a number of questions in my mind: + since they will use 1-3 day old eggs to feed royal jelly, how can i be sure they will have the right age eggs to select for queens? + aren't i just begging for a laying worker to try and take over as queen? + how good a quality queens will these be, will they be prone to quick supersedure? + more than likely they will build the queen cells on the face of the combs. won't the bees cross brace these cells so that i can't remove the queens without destroying the cells and thus the queens? + how big a window will i have from when most of the queen cells are capped and when the first queen will emerge and proceed to destroy all the other qu cells if i haven't removed them? (i'm concerned about bad whether when i'm ready to make my splits.) - has anyone tried something like this? can you give me some pointers? - can anyone recomend a book on queen rearing that addresses the backyard beekeeper? fascinated with the bees, Phillip -- prgramly@prairienet.org|| Miss Mills replied, on general principles, Phillip Gramly || that the Cottage of content was better than in the cottage of || the Palace of cold splendour, and that where content in Sadorus, IL || love was, all was. -David Copperfield From danb@blkbox.com Mon Feb 20 22:40:16 EST 1995 Article: 1344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question--getting stung Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:50:44 -600 (CST) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <19950201164112IBAYPGX@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> <3h95kp$q4q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3h95kp$q4q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Hi Adam! You're right about the smoke. My biggest hangup with living where I do, is that it's a rare day when a brisk breeze is not coming off of the gulf. Now you've got me thinking about putting up a windbreak for the summer! (This sounds like the perfect thing to put on the honey-dew list... :-) -Cynthia On 8 Feb 1995, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article , > Dan Buchsbaum wrote: > >I've only kept bees for 2 years, but I've noticed that my bees are > >crankiest on really hot days. All I had to do was quietly remove the > >telescoping cover and they'd be all over me. > > Hello Cynthia, > > Did you use smoke? > Judicious use of smoke will calm the nastiest colonies. > Adam > > > > -- > ______________________________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > > From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Feb 20 22:40:17 EST 1995 Article: 1345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip7-16.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 23:59:35 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <115@kiwifruit.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip7-16.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net (Roger Barton) writes: >Mr Stamper (or Dave) I am not a PETA person but I am an animal >rights supporter and vegan. I fully intend to keep bees when I am >able to do so. I consider myself an educated person (I have a >background in biology with expertise in entomology and social >insect communication) I do not consider myself an animal rights >*Nazi* because I choose not to eat meat or milk products or >because I feel an impotent anger when I see calves being exported >live to Europe to die in continental slaughterhouses because we in >Britain need to drink the milk produced by the cow for them. If >you read your history books you will see that it was the *Nazis* >who loaded innocents into cattle trucks and sent them to their >deaths far away *not* the people who tried to stop them. I wish I >was brave enough to stand in front of these cattle trucks like the >ordinary people of the British ports are doing (and being crushed >to death in the process). I subscribed to this newsgroup to learn >practical skills to care for bees not to observe extremist bickering >of any type. Thats my twopennorth for what it's worth >Roger >Roger Barton rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net >22A St Johns Rd, South Tottenham >LONDON. N15 6QP. UK. Tel 0181 809 4124 (+44 181 809 4124) >"It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness". Adlai Stevenson. Wrong group Roger. The reason for my posting was because it directly dealt with bees and beekeeping. Apparently you DO have a mind of your own as you recognize that exploitation of bees, for the vast majority of cases, does not constitute abuse of bees. If you want to discuss shipping cattle, go to talk.politics.animals. Peace. Dave From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Mon Feb 20 22:40:18 EST 1995 Article: 1346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 17 Feb 1995 01:52:12 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3i0vgc$31v@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line17.nwm.mindlink.net peien@bud.peinet.pe.ca (PEI Environmental Network) wrote: > > I,m looking for suggestions for remonving honey from combs without > benefit of an extractor. I have three supers of honey and no > extractor (couldn't afford a new one last year and couldn't find > one used). I've tried scratching the combs open and letting them > drip into a container. This works alright but is extremely slow. > Any ideas? > > > Sharon Labchuk > peien@peinet.pe.ca >  This is the time when being a member of a beekeeper's club pays off. If your club has an extractor, your are in luck From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Feb 20 22:40:19 EST 1995 Article: 1347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some Honey Prices January Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <950216170028891@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 27 ___________________________________________________________________ (///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (////////////Information Only//////Not an offer to Buy//////////////) (///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some January 1995 Honey Prices (sales in Jan) trend +- | | | | Ca Alfalfa mix exl-la .45 - .48 FOB + | | Ca Sage w .52 - .53 " | | Ca Orange w .50 - .51 " | | Nd Clover ww .50 - .57 " | | Fl Orange w .51 " + | | Fl " exl .46 - .54 " + | | Fl Mixed Flowers la-a .45 - .46 " | | | | Canadian uk w .53 (US) poe | | China Mixed w .49 poe east | | | | IMPORTS TO USA through NOV 94 50,000,000 kilograms ++ | [_____________________________________________________________________] FOB=fright paid, POE=fright paid to point of entry From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Mon Feb 20 22:40:20 EST 1995 Article: 1348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip7-16.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee tree Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:09:32 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip7-16.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] This weekend was super nice, so I decided to check on a bee tree that I knew of. The bees were very active relieving themselves and cleaning house. This colony has been active for at least 3 years, and appears to be going strong (300 bees coming and going/ hr.). They seemed to be very docile for a wild hive, as I was able to get within 6 inches of the main entrance without feeling pressured to back off. They looked like Italians. Any opinions on the following: Is it likely that this colony is resistant to AFB? Is it likely that this colony is resistant to Varroa? Should I try and hive a swarm from this colony, or maybe even try and get the whole thing. Any tips? Dave From rspear@primenet.com Mon Feb 20 22:40:21 EST 1995 Article: 1349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip011.lax.primenet.com!rspear From: rspear@primenet.com (Richard Spear) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 20:14:10 PST Organization: Primenet Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> <3i44l0$8ud@data.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip011.lax.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <3i44l0$8ud@data.interserv.net> pamschel@interserv.com writes: >From: pamschel@interserv.com >Subject: Re: extracting honey >Date: 18 Feb 1995 06:38:24 GMT >There is a honey extractor which will spin 2 frames, one on each side. It is sturdy plastic and metal >and it is made in China and it costs $100.00. I ordered mine out of the Dadant catalogue. As far as I >know, centrifugal force is the only way to extract with any efficiency, unless you go for the honey in >the combs, which is what I am thinking of doing next. I have been keeping bees for one year here >in California. I also bought one of these ... I recommend *against* it. The assembly is much too light and will slide about the floor as you try to spin the frames. I'm also not too happy with plastic - cleaning, etc. is a bit suspect. I will be buying a stainless steel unit this spring. BTW, I'm also in southern CA ... a *great* place to keep bees! That is, if you can deal with varroa and the constant worry of AHB. Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com From pamschel@interserv.com Mon Feb 20 22:40:23 EST 1995 Article: 1350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!usenet From: pamschel@interserv.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 20 Feb 1995 07:22:01 GMT Organization: NovX InterServ News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3i9fup$4b0@data.interserv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dc6_p21.sprint.dialup.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Yes, it might be time for a stainless steel extractor this year, I don't know. Last year was my first year, and I thought that it would be good this "winter" to leave a bunch of full frames in my two colonies. Those bees worked all winter, ran out of room and swarmed! Mike the Beekeeper got some new ones going for me, and now I bought a radial arm saw and I am going to follow the Backwoods Home article specs on building my own hives and frames. Beekeeping is really something! From 76012.1452@CompuServe.COM Mon Feb 20 22:40:24 EST 1995 Article: 1351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!gt-news!cc.gatech.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!news.nd.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: TOM LEWIS <76012.1452@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PETA and bees give me a break! Date: 20 Feb 1995 02:54:21 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3i908t$fod$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Agree with you completely, Dave, in my many years of beekeeping I have I have never seen beekeepers that did not consider their bees a resource to be husbanded. One exception, however, was beekeepers above the arctic circle in the Yukon Territory Canada and Alaska. First of all bees do not survive there in the winter. Each spring bees are mailed in. Each winter the bees/brood/wax/etc. are fed to the when they finally succumb to the cold. Another point that is missed entirely by the PETA statements is that until langstroth i until langstroth invented the hive with replaceable frames, the general rule from 15,00000 BC on was to kill all the bees to get the honey or at least shred the hive to the point of almost destruction. You can infer from the cave pai paintings of primitive honey gathering that fire was applied to the bee tree. Only the modern beekeeper has learned how to harvest only the surplus and take pains to ensure the hive's survival. I tell my students that it takes 12 bees their whole lif takes 12 bees to make 1 tsp of honey. Bees are like flashlight batteries the more work they do the sooner they run out of juice. I think PETA should look elsewhere to stir up a bees nest! From pollinator@aol.com Mon Feb 20 22:40:26 EST 1995 Article: 1352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee tree Date: 20 Feb 1995 00:05:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3i97ud$emk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Dave Stamper says: > Should I try and hive a swarm from this colony, (bee tree), or maybe even try and get the whole things. Any tips? Dave, why don't you put out a bait hive at swarm season? You might get the stock without a lot of wear and tear on them. I just use single story or nuc boxes with comb already in. They come best, if it is up above six feet. It seems that the stock would be worth monitoring if it has been exposed to varroa and lived three years. Maybe you'll have a million-dollar baby! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter. PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From mamfelt@dta.nl Mon Feb 20 22:40:27 EST 1995 Article: 1353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!NewsWatcher!user From: mamfelt@dta.nl (M.A.M. Felt) Subject: beeswax production, alt.sustainable.agriculture Message-ID: Sender: news@inter.NL.net (News at news) Organization: Day Trade Advisor Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:32:06 GMT Lines: 13 Anyone know where I can get (international) figures on beeswax production and/or producers. Import/Export statistics etc.. If not on beeswax, perhaps on honey production, and then I can contact the honey producers. I tried using WAIS but didn't find anything. In other words I am looking for sources of beeswax. Please respond per e-mail. M.Felt From rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net Tue Feb 21 13:34:18 EST 1995 Article: 1354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!kiwifruit!rbarton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Message-ID: <115@kiwifruit.win-uk.net> From: rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net (Roger Barton) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:10:58 GMT Reply-To: rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net (Roger Barton) Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Lines: 217 In article , David M. Stamper (dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu) writes: >The following info was posted on talk.politics.animals. The responses are >mine. Please add anything you think is necessary, as I am a newbie beekeeper. >I tried to be as precise as possible, though. Cross-posting is cool, >sometimes. > >>> dgraft@news.gate.net (Donald Graft) writes: > >>>Here is the PeTA Factsheet covering bees. All the factsheets will soon >>>be available on the imminent PeTA homepage. > >>> Each year, the down, silk, and honey industries kill thousands of >>> geese, silkworms, and bees, respectively. Silk and honey producers >>> excuse their actions with claims that worms and bees are "simple" >>> forms of life, but consumers are beginning to question the unnecessary >>> killing of even tiny, sometimes socially complex creatures like these. >> >>>How About Honey? > >>> In the honey industry, the buzz word is profit. Like factory farmers, >>> many beekeepers take inhumane steps to ensure personal safety and >>> reach production quotas. It is not unusual for larger honey producers >>> to cut off the wings of the queen bee so that she cannot leave the >>> colony, or to have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version >>> of the factory farm "rape rack." (6) > >>The cutting of wings is typically done to either mark the queen or reduce >>(not eliminate) the ability of the colony to swarm. There is absolutely NO >>indication that this causes the queen bee (which can sting) any discomfort. > >>The "rape rack" is obviously an emotional plea based on non-relevant material. >>Artificial insemination is no more a rape than the gang rape that virgin >>queens would get under natural conditions. > >>> When the keeper wants to move a >>> queen to a new colony, she is carried with "body-guard" bees, all of >>> whom--if they survive transport-- will be killed by bees in the new >>> colony. > >>This is a complete lie. The bees shipped with the queen in the cage are not >>"body-guards", they are "nurses". When the new queen and her attendants (in >>the cage) are placed in the queenless hive, the workers eat the candy plug >>from one end of the cage. Meanwhile, honey and pollen are being passed back >>and forth through the wire of the cage, therby spreading the new queen's >>pheremones throughout the hive. By the time the candy plug is removed, the >>hive will accept the new queen AND her attendants. > >>> Large commercial operations also may take all the honey instead of >>> leaving the 60 pounds or so that bees need to get through the winter. >>> They replace the rich honey with a cheap sugar substitute that is not >>> as fortifying or tasty. > >>This is perhaps misleading. What is meant by a "cheap sugar substitute"? Is >>such cases, sugar (sucrose) is fed to the bees to get them through the winter. >>No sugar substitute is sufficient. Nutrisweet and saccharin are not used. >>Bees actually prefer food sources based mainly on sugar content. For example, >>a 50 % sugar solution (a cheap sugar substitute- by the PETA definition) is >>preferred by bees who have free access to nectar with a 40% sugar >>concentration (Free, J.B., and M.V. Smith, 1961). They are apparently capable >>of determining which food source is most efficient for them to gather and >>base this decision on sugar content and distance from the hive. > >>A summary for this: the bees do think sugar is fortifying and tasty. > >>> In colder areas, if the keepers consider it >>> too costly to keep the bees alive through the winter, "disposable" >>> hives allow them to destroy the hives by pouring gasoline on them, >>> killing most of the bees with the fumes, and setting them on fire. > >>Another lie. > >>I wish I knew where I could get some of these "disposable" hives. None of my >>beekeeping suply catalogs have such equipment. A commercial-sized hive >>typically costs more than $400. Clearly, such a practice would not be >>cost-effective. > >>Hives are destroyed by fire for other reasons, however. It is generally >>required by law to burn hives infected with American Foulbrood, caused by the >>bacterium Bacillus larvae. This disease is HIGHLY contagious and responds >>only moderately to antibiotics- which cannot be used during a honey flow. >>Since the causal agent can exist as a stress-resistant spore, the only real >>treatment is complete destruction of the hive. The bees are killed, and the >>beekeeper is out his $400. > >>> Other times, keepers, who feel that lost bees are easily replaced, >>> allow them to die when trees are sprayed with insecticide. > >>More lies. > >>It is not possible to prevent bees exposed to pesticides from dying, >>though there generally are legal means of prosecuting someone who sprays >>pesticide on honey crops without warning beekeepers. A general claim that >>beekeeping is an industry based on profits is not supported by a practice of >>haphazard killing of bees. If bees are killed by pesticide, that often means >>that that hive will either be killed or severely weakened (depending on the >>pesticide), and the beekeeper will have NO honey surplus from that hive that >>year. It is not a trivial thing to build up a strong, economically-viable >>hive and commercial beekeepers work very hard to limit the dangers their bees >>face. > >>> Bees are often killed, >>> or their wings and legs torn off, by haphazard handling. > >>Yes, this is true. Bees are also killed by animal rights Nazis going for >>walks in the park. So what. Beekeepers generally take great care to minimize >>the number of bees injured or killed during hive manipulation for a very >>simple reason: when bees are injured, they tend to sting. When bees sting, >>they release an alarm chemical, isoamyl acetate, which incites other bees to >>sting. Beekeepers generally wish to minimize the stings they receive, and it >>is common to NOT get stung when manipulating a hive. > >>> To produce a pound of honey, bees must get pollen from 2 million >>> flowers, and must fly more than 55,000 miles. (7) Honeybees >>> returning to the hive from a pollen-seeking expedition "dance" in >>> figure eights to "map out" a route for other bees to follow. These >>> dances "encode information about the distance and direction of a >>> target that can be miles away from the nest," said Thomas D. Seeley of >>> Cornell University. (8) > >>Does this somehow represent an official PETA position on the exploitation of >>bees? > >>> According to the Cook-DuPage Beekeepers' Association, humans have been >>> using honey since about 15,000 B.C., but it took until the 20th >>> century for people to turn bees into factory-farm animals. In 1987 the >>> honey "crop" netted $115.4 million. (9) > >>Again, is this a PETA position? Or is it just an opportunity to use the >>buzz-words factory farm? Factory farms produce nearly all the food we eat, >>including the food the animal rights Nazis eat. > >>> Luckily, many sweeteners are >>> made without killing bees: rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, barely malt, >>> maple syrup, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can replace honey >>> in recipes. (10) Use these substitutes to keep your diet bee-free. > >>Lucky for whom? None of these products can replace honey in recepies without >>changing the flavor. Maple syrup is probably the only thing in your list that >>I enjoy. Unfortunately, it costs about $25/gallon. > >> >>> REFERENCES >>> 1. "And a Cow Jumped Over the Moon," The Animals' Voice, February >>> 1989, p. 56. >>> 2. Henry Kamm, "No Bed of Feathers for a Goose in Hungary," The New >>> York Times, June 2, 1988. >>> 3. Ibid. >>> 4. Marcia Pearson, "Down," The Compassionate Shopper, Winter 1987-88. >>> 5. Al Schneider, "Down-Filled Clothing vs. Synthetics," Letters, The >>> Washington Post Health Section, Jan. 16, 1990. >>> 6. Arthur Ling, "Ain't So Sweet: The Other Side of Honey," The Vegan, >>> Spring 1988, pp. 12-13. >>> 7. Wally Spiers, Belleville News-Democrat, Sept. 11, 1988. >>> 8. Rick Weiss, "New Dancer in the Hive," Science News, Oct. 28, 1989, >>> p. 282. >>> 9. Spiers. >>> 10. Victoria Moran, "Leaving the Land of Milk and Honey," The Animals' >>> Agenda, March 1988, p. 48. > >>Very few of your references are unbiased. The good references do not support >>your goal of vilifying beekeepers as evil. >> >>> [IMAGE] People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals >>> P.O. Box 42516, Washington, DC 20015 >>> 301-770-PETA >>>-- >>>Donald Graft >>>Read the Animal Rights FAQ! available from...dgraft@gate.net >>>Animal Rights Resource Site (ARRS) http://www.umanitoba.ca/arrs/index.html > >>Thanks for the easy flamebait, Don. You PETA people mean well at heart, >>except that you are imprecise, distort the truth, and lie in order to promote >>your bizarre values. It is completely ridiculous that no animals should ever >>be killed as a result of human actions. > >>Dave Mr Stamper (or Dave) I am not a PETA person but I am an animal rights supporter and vegan. I fully intend to keep bees when I am able to do so. I consider myself an educated person (I have a background in biology with expertise in entomology and social insect communication) I do not consider myself an animal rights *Nazi* because I choose not to eat meat or milk products or because I feel an impotent anger when I see calves being exported live to Europe to die in continental slaughterhouses because we in Britain need to drink the milk produced by the cow for them. If you read your history books you will see that it was the *Nazis* who loaded innocents into cattle trucks and sent them to their deaths far away *not* the people who tried to stop them. I wish I was brave enough to stand in front of these cattle trucks like the ordinary people of the British ports are doing (and being crushed to death in the process). I subscribed to this newsgroup to learn practical skills to care for bees not to observe extremist bickering of any type. Thats my twopennorth for what it's worth Roger >>------------------------------------------------------------- >>The following is not my opinion. It is Thrill's. >>It is funny only because we know she means it. > >>Don't act like being an omnivore is natural. You are an omnivore by >>choice. It is your choice because you don't care about animals and you >>are a murderer. You are a murderer because you are inherintly evil. >>You are evil because you sent to earth by satan. The moral of the story? >>Thrill is an angel sent from heaven to destroy all evil. Rejoice! >>------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Roger Barton rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net 22A St Johns Rd, South Tottenham LONDON. N15 6QP. UK. Tel 0181 809 4124 (+44 181 809 4124) "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness". Adlai Stevenson. Adlai Stevenson From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Feb 21 13:34:20 EST 1995 Article: 1355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,rec.gardens,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.answers,misc.answers,rec.answers,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Feb 1995 22:00:27 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 416 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Message-ID: <3ib3dr$r9t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: This posting contains a list of pointers toward apicultural and beekeeping information on the internet. It should be read by anyone who wishes to post to the newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping or the listserv bee-l. Keywords: bee beekeeping apis honey mead pollination Originator: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1355 sci.agriculture:3274 misc.rural:15328 rec.gardens:55479 alt.sustainable.agriculture:5469 sci.answers:2147 misc.answers:1465 rec.answers:9993 alt.answers:7323 news.answers:36837 Archive-name: beekeeping-faq Posting-Frequency: monthly Last-modified:1995/02/20 This FAQ tries to list and point to all informational resources on the internet for beekeepers and apiculturists. A great old beekeeping cliche is: "there are about as many ways to keep bees as there are beekeepers." Therefore rather than list and then answer the myriad beekeeping, bee culture, and apicultural questions in a cumbersome document, specific internet resources are listed in this FAQ so that you may find your own answers, like a true beekeeper! If you are unable to utilize any of these resources, please don't hesitate to contact me or post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. As a last resort, you could even mail the listserv, bee-l, but *please* be sure to include a return address in your letter, and to realize that your question will go to *** all *** the list subscribers. Explicit instructions on listserv use and bee-l are included in this FAQ. Please read them before mailing anything to bee-l. You can always ask somebody. Asking really works! I'm working on an internet archive for beekeeping. Once this is done, (I'll let you know...) you may mail me with information, comments, hints, stories, FAQ ANSWERS, and they will become archived in an easily accessible way, via ftp, gopher, and www. I have already received some really nice beekeeping files. Thank you, you know who you are and you deserve praise! ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. To subscribe to BEE-L, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To get help on how to run the listserver, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: HELP To send a message to all current BEE-L subscribers, mail it to BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu. (FOR DETAILED LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS, READ BEE-L SECTION AT END OF FAQ) * Beekeeping Home Page (WWW) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html * _Apis_ Magazine archive (WWW) http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Colorado State University http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Iowa State University http://www.public.iastate.edu/~entomology/ * sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu anonymous ftp, gopher * sunsite.unc.edu anonymous ftp, gopher, telnet anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd sunsite-Sustainable-Agriculture/beekeeping gopher: gopher sunsite.unc.edu go to: The Worlds of sunsite Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping (it's in there, the archive is huge!) * ftp.ucdavis.edu anonymous ftp: ftp ftp.ucdavis.edu /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping * Beekeeping FAQ's from beenet.com How to USE: Internet E-Mail a message addressed to: HINT.103@beenet.com on subject line put the name of FAQ : HONEY ADULTERATION Thats all, you are welcome to add a message. Mail runs are 6am & 6pm. Problems, post to sysop@beenet.com .. FAQ Last update 10-20-94 name * NEW or UPDATED _________ HINT.IND THIS INDEX * B-FILE.LST 33k Text file of All Beekeeping Files from 11/1 Wild Bee's BBS. See WB-FILE.ZIP for INFO> WB-FILE.ZIP 9k Beekeeping Files Wild Bee's BBS 9/28 yellow.jacket How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner 8/94 argentin.ant Argentine Ant Control Adrian Wenner 8/94 ambee.fed Info-Joining American Beekeeping Federation apimon95.txt Info- APIMONDIA 1995 Meeting mead.lst How to join the Mead list mail bee-l.faq How to find Bee Info on Internet, Bee-L FAQ's++ 9/10 import.relief Letter to Congress, William J. Clinton (1994) usda-bee.lab Address & Info on Sending Dead bee samples (1992) formic.txt Warning on use of Formic Acid by beekeepers (1992) propolis Jerry Bronenshenk on PROPOLIS (1993) 4-H.txt 4-H joins the Internet (1993) FSHEET11 INFORMATION US BEEKEEPING HINT.101 SOURCES OF BEEKEEPING INFORMATION HINT.102 HONEY AND ITS USES HINT.103 HONEY ADULTERATION HINT.104 FLORIDA BEE INSPECTION HINT.105 FLORIDA BEARS AND BEEKEEPING HINT.106 HONEY HOUSE SANITATION HINT.107 FLORIDA HONEY LABELING REGULATIONS HINT.108 PRODUCING SECTION (COMB) HONEY HINT.109 EXHIBITING HONEY HINT.110 SAMPLE POLLINATION AGREEMENT HINT.111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS HINT.112 EXTENSION APICULTURAL VISUAL AIDS HINT.113 USING HONEY IN LARGE-QUANTITY RECIPES HINT.115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES HINT.116 CHALKBROOD RECOMMENDATIONS HINT.117 HONEY MARKETING SURVEY HINT.118 PRODUCING POLLEN HINT.119 FINANCIAL MANGEMENT FOR BEEKEEPERS HINT.120 UPWARD VENTILATION HINT.121 WAX MOTH CONTROL HINT.122 BEE STINGS AND REACTIONS HINT.123 EXTENSION APICULTURE IN FLORIDA HINT.124 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND RATIOS FOR BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.125 PRESERVING WOODENWARE IN BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.126 THE VALUE OF POLLINATION BY HONEY BEES HINT.127 THE VARROA BEE MITE HINT.128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY HINT.129 HONEY JUDGING AND STANDARDS HINT.130 USING THE HONEY REFRACTOMETER HINT.131 OBSERVATION BEE HIVES All HINT's courtesy of Malcolm T. Sanford, Cooperative Extension Service University of Florida, Gainesville, Fl Internet address:mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu beenet.com is a Information Service for Beekeepers & Friends, operated by Andy Nachbaur from the Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107, Los Banos, Calif. * Remote File Retriver from beenet.com HOW IT WORKS: Mail addressed to will be read by wcARCHIE. When wcARCHIE locates this new mail, it will retrieve the text from the SUBJECT LINE of the message. wcARCHIE will search the entire Wildcat! file database for a file with a name that matches the text. wcARCHIE will also search the \WCARCHIE directory for this file. If a file is located, it will be sent as a message file attachment to the original sender. If the subject line contains the word HELP, a help message will be sent. If the subject line contains the word FILES, a list of available files will be sent. * Honey Hotline NHB Food Technology Program 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society,Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (Voice & Fax) *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44) 1222 665 522 V: (+44) 1222 372 409 (24 hrs) email: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Now putting out "B-Mail" a monthly newsletter available on the newsgroup or the listserver, soon to be archived. * Mead list: Send ONLY articles for the digest to mead@talisman.com. Use mead-request@talisman.com for [un]subscribe/admin requests. When subscribing, please include name and email address in body of message. Digest archives and FAQ are available for anonymous ftp at: ftp.stanford.edu in pub/clubs/homebrew/mead. * The Mead Association P.O. Box 4666 Grand Junction, CO 81502 1-800-693-MEAD outside US 303-442-9111 * Mead Makers Page (WWW) http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html * Mead book list: for a good list of books on mead mail: jkl2@Ra.MsState.edu (ask for book list). ***** Online Beekeeping Reference Sources ****** * Malcolm Roe is pleased to answer British beekeeping questions such as: how to get started, the addresses of local associations and equipment suppliers, where to get some bees, legal questions, etc. email roe@crosfield.co.uk * _The Hewitt Apicultural Collection_ gopher: < gopher.uconn.edu > Select Libraries and Research Services. Then Edward H Kirschbaum Library (Waterbury Campus). Lastly, Hewitt Apicultural Collection. Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at UCONN handles this great resource. Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu * B-EYE bee eye simulator WWW pages that offer to "see the world through the eyes of a bee." http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/ Andy Giger email giger@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Diana Sammataro, bee researcher, author, is available for Tracheal mite questions and tracheal mite information. email dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. email jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. email robbee@crl.com * Paul Cheng will be coordinating the Bee sting/venom/allergy FAQ. email him with your information/input. email pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees. To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. The listserver (the computer that runs the list) maintains a log (archive) of all messages, and list members may request a copy of the log. The archive has a separate file for each month, and these files are currently saved for about a year. To access the listserve computer itself (i.e. to subscribe to or unsubscribe from BEE-L, to request a log file, etc.), send e-mail to the listserver address. Don't send control messages to the BEE-L address, because the message will just be sent to everyone on the list, and the computer will not do what you wanted it to do. Note that most control messages contain the list name (BEE-L) somewhere in the command, as the listserve computer generally runs many lists at any given time. How do I post a message to BEE-L? If you are on the Internet, send an e-mail message to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu If you are on BitNet, address your e-mail to bee-l@ALBNYVM1.BITNET Any message received at these addresses will be duplicated and mailed to everyone currently subscribed to the BEE-L list. How do I subscribe to, or unsubscribe from BEE-L? Send mail to the listserve computer (from the Internet the address is listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu from BitNet, the address is listserv@ALBNYVM1.BITNET To SUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L You may abbreviate SUBSCRIBE with SUB. Be sure to substitute your real name for the placeholder. You do not need quotes or any other delimiters surrounding your name. The listserve computer will determine your address from the "From:" header in your message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SIGNOFF BEE-L You may substitute either UNSUBSCRIBE or UNSUB for the SIGNOFF in this command to remove your subscription to the list If your address has changed since you subscribed, this command will fail - write to YOUR local POSTMAST/POSTMASTER/POSTMSTR id for assistance. If that fails, then write to OWNER-BEE-L @ for assistance. If that fails, then write one of the following (these are typical addresses that should be forwarded to a person who can answer your question): POSTMASTER@ POSTMAST@ POSTMSTR@ Note: = ALBNYVM1.BITNET if you are on BitNet. = uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on Internet). To avoid this problem, UNSUBSCRIBE from BEE-L before you move to a new e-mail address, and then resubscribe from your new address. How do I get help using the listserver? Send a message to the listserver, with the one word HELP in the body of the message. Address the message to listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet if you are on BitNet, or address it to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on the Internet. The listserver will mail a help document back to you. Sending the message INFO ? will cause the listserver to mail you a list of additional help documents that are available. These additional documents are requested by sending the message INFO (be sure to substitute the desired document name for ) -Aknowledgments I would like to thank the following individuals: Jon Gefael who taught me and who is almost always right Pete Thorsen who is a walking man page Rick Hough for his FAQ contributions, and gentle way My school, VA Tech, for giving me an account Dr. Rick Fell, for making me think My old friend Jayne who bears with me even to this day My children for their beauty and to beekeepers worldwide Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Finkelstein, all rights reserved. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or compilations without express permission from the author. -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 21 22:26:55 EST 1995 Article: 1356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <950219220727908@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 32 |-----------------|Adamf@vtaix.Cc.Vt.Edu (adam Finkelstein)refer#: None wrote: >Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef >Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:02:14 GMT > >><> >>This message was from Ab Mobasher >> >>Mid Amber Honey From China @$1,250 MT >>US Chicken $@985MT >>Mongolian Beef @$1,655MT >> >>For mor information please include your street address, Fax/ph. >> > Andy: please tell us what this means. |----end quotes---------------------------------| It means that if you would like to buy some ex light Honey from China at $1,250.00 per metric ton or frozen chicken or Mongolian Beef, (not sure if beef is from Mongolia or is some class of beef), you can contact Ab Mobasher. It also may indicate a price increase for Chinese Honey, or at least in this one case it could be a higher asking price for honey. Other then that its just interesting to find an offer for Honey on the internet highway. ttul Andy- PS I think a metric ton is 2200 lbs, but maybe thats a long tone? In any case the price quoted for honey at first blush is high. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 21 22:26:56 EST 1995 Article: 1357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 16:24:00 GMT Message-ID: <950219220728909@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 54 |-----------------|Dstamper@postbox.Acs.Ohio-State.Edu (david M. Stamper)refer wrote: >Subject: Re: PETA and bees >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:36:03 GMT > > >>>Here is the PeTA Factsheet covering bees. All the factsheets will soon >>>be available on the imminent PeTA homepage. > >>Thrill is an angel sent from heaven to destroy all evil. Rejoice! |----end quotes---------------------------------| Hi Dave, You can't win with these people with facts.. Better to let them live without the benefits of Pure Natural Honey in their diets. They won't Live or Love as long as the rest of us who know the real value of our HONEY. They fit in the same class as the babies we don't want to eat our honey because of the mothers who would leave the jar open to dust that could cause distress to their young babies. None of them eat much honey and collectively buy very little anyway. You might tell them about the poor beekeepers who place their bees adjacent to major highways and the millions of bees that die a horrible death, crippled and smashed trying to cross the freeway to find food and drink, so they can bring their fact or FAQ sheet up to date. And don't forget about those big electric bug zappers like the one in my honey barn that burns the bees wings so they can't fly and the bees it does not fry on the electric grid, fall to the floor in obvious distress and die a slow, must be very painful death by starvation. Its my personal obfuscation that attacks by fringe groups like peta is not all that bad anyway as the public is not sure if this group is not the same as or a branch of the group that wants to legitimatize pedipalps. You did a good job setting them straight, but that maybe what they want as it helps make what they have to say legitimate when it is nothing but facts out of content or half truths. Like the grains and things they want to eat were not derived for living things. My fields may not talk to me, but they sure do respond to my loving care and if I abuse them they suffer and wither and die. If I fail to water and feed the roots the plants drupe and the leaves drop. If I fail to cultivate between the rows, the weeds come in and choke the life out of the plant. If I cut the grain to early it weeps its life's blood out on the ground, and if I cut it to late the birds fatten on the next generations seed. ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 21 22:26:57 EST 1995 Article: 1358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: News from Dominica Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 02:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <950220232557917@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 36 ** Seen while channel surfing on the boob tube! _________________________________ (/////////////////////////////////) Well Hecter, you can come (/////////////////////////////////) out now. I just saw on the /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ Mexican language TV that a | \ _ / ???? | woman was stung in the neck | /O O \ _ | by a Hornet in the Republic | \~Y~ / // \ | of Dominica and has been | /--\// )) | dripping Honey ever since. | ()==/()== \__./ | \ _ / Were out of the | ___ ()=( ()= ) ___ | /O O \ _ business now! | / \___ \____/ \->___/ \___ | \~~~ / // \ | \___/ \ |||| / \___/XXX\| /--\// )) z z | / \__ /--(/ \)-cd ___/ \XXX/| ()==/()== \__./ B z z z z z | \___/ \___/---\___/ \___/ \| ()=( ()= ) z z |__/ \___/ \ / \___/ \___/| \____/---> | \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \| |||| |__/ \___/XXX\XXX/ \___/ \___/| (/ \) cd_ | \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ | [___________________________________] * Any body else catch this on TV? I think it was a Spanish language tabloid type news program, but my Spanish is poor'o American'o. Well I hope it was tabloid news and not the real thing. They did a real job on the viewer, showing the paper hornets nest, people tasting the honey dripping from the woman's bee sting, and doctors looking at in the lab under a microscope. ttul Andy- (c)Use at own risk, don't quote me.......permission to reproduce granted. Do not remove the (cd_) from the art work as it identifies the original artist of the original bee Hecter and is protected (c) From hunt@strauss.udel.edu Tue Feb 21 22:26:58 EST 1995 Article: 1359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!strauss.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: hunt@strauss.udel.edu (Rachael Ann Hunt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Date: 20 Feb 1995 20:31:50 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3ibfq6$qgo@strauss.udel.edu> References: <3ia7q0$hhr@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ib9cc$4bf@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: strauss.udel.edu > >I'm strongly inclined to agree; after the earlier query about beekeeping >and cruelty, I logged onto their newsgroup (it's animal.politics or >something similar) and scanned through some of the posts. Although there >are SOME thoughtful participants involved in it, it's full of personal >attacks and pseudophilosphical drivel. I'd hate to see this newsgroup >degenerate to such a tone. > >Dave I just wanted to agree here. Although I realize that this is a bee group, I spent a few weeks on the animal politics group and have to agree that they are often malicious towards one another. It was SO frustrating -- though sometimes amusing. Let's stick to bees and mature debates on controversial issues:) Rachael From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Tue Feb 21 22:27:00 EST 1995 Article: 1360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dec. 94 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:54:45 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 484 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ DECEMBER, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT It's time to renew your subscription to THE BUZZ newsletter. Return the last sheet of the newsletter to me and make any corrections to your address directly on the label. This way I can keep the addresses up to date with all the new 911 addresses and save money not sending the newsletter to people who do not read it. If you are a paid-up member of IHPA you get it automatically. We had a good annual meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers Association in Marshalltown last month. Attendance was up from last year, with about 100 in attendance. If you are not a member and did not attend, join the association by filling out and sending in the attached membership form on page 5 and plan to attend the meeting next year. You won't regret it. Our out-of-town speakers, Dr. Bill Wilson, Gary Reuter, Sherry Jennings and Joe Graham did a great job. We also appreciated hearing from our own Iowa beekeepers: LaVerne Greenfield, John Johnson, and Paul Goossen. These people have a wealth of knowledge and talent to share and do an excellent job of communicating. LaVerne Greenfield has made some beautiful wax figures. I was really impressed! We need to have him exhibit at the State Fair. Ten Iowa beekeepers reported on the honey crop in their part of the state Friday afternoon at the annual meeting. Per colony averages ranged from 20 pounds in the southwest to 100 pounds in Dubuque county, the state average being 65-70 pounds. The official statewide figures will be gathered in December and reported February 17, 1995 by the USDA Agricultural Statistics Service. It will be interesting to see how close the two figures are. I am guessing that it is a little higher than this (70-80 pounds). A nice article about the plight of the beekeeping industry was featured in the November issue of Successful Farming magazine. The article, entitled "Where have all the honeybees gone?", predicted a shortfall of honey bees and, by implication, overall agricultural production in the U.S. The only flaw in the article is in the beautiful, accompanying photograph which pictures a Syrphid or flower fly rather than a honey bee visiting a flower. I pray that God will extend his blessings to you and your family during this Christmas season. Let's not forget the reason for the Christmas celebration. HONEY BOARD OFFERS NEW OPTION: YOU CAN CHARGE IT! Beginning Jan. 1, 1995, purchases of Honey Board promotional materials (such as posters, bears, aprons, and cookbooks) may be made by telephone using VISA or Mastercard. "We're very pleased to now be able to accept credit card payment with orders...it'll really save time for customers who need their orders yesterday!" said Tracy Baker, fulfillment coordinator for the Honey Board. "Of course, we'll continue to accept checks and money orders accompanying promotional material orders as well," Baker added. Credit card purchases require a $5.00 minimum order and, as with all orders, two to four weeks should be allowed for delivery of materials. For questions regarding credit card purchases, please call Tracy Baker at 1-800-553-7162. IHPA ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING The members attending the business meeting on Friday afternoon elected a new president, vice president, and two new district directors (#2 & #3) from northeast Iowa. The secretary, treasurer, and southeast Iowa district (#1) director were reelected. A listing of the current board of directors and officers is printed on the front cover of THE BUZZ each month. These beekeepers represent you when making decisions about the activities of the association. Therefore, contact them when you have ideas or opinions about association activities. Incoming president Paul Goossen will make committee appointments at the December 3rd board meeting. If you would like to be on a committee or have input in that particular area, contact Paul soon. I will list the committee chairpersons in next months newsletter. The following are the standing committees: State Fair Salesbooth, State Fair Exhibit, Annual Meeting, Educational, Legislative, Awards, Nominations, Promotions, Honey Queen, Cookbook, and Membership committees. THANKS TO THOSE WHO DONATED DOOR PRIZES The following beekeeping supply dealers graciously donated items for our 1994 Iowa State Honey Producers annual meeting in Marshalltown November 11-12. These items were greatly appreciated as we had a mixup in acquiring door prizes ahead of time. Thank you very much for your generous donations! DRAPERS SUPER BEE DADANT & SONS (SIOUX CITY) B & B HONEY FARMS BEEHIVE BOTANICALS B & L PLASTICS MANN LAKE BEE SUPPLY WALTER T. KELLEY CO. AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL NATIONAL HONEY BOARD DEAR FELLOW BEEKEEPERS We had a profitable annual meeting. The attendance, program, and attitude were good. As your new president I am looking forward to working with a very good board in promoting our industry. Your suggestions and involvement are welcome. - Paul F. Goossen President Iowa Honey Producers Assn. 4-H ESSAY CONTEST DEADLINE JANUARY 15 The American Beekeeping Federation is sponsoring the 4-H Essay Contest on Beekeeping once again this year. There are three top cash prizes each year ($250, $100 and $50), plus the winner in each state is awarded a book on beekeeping. Because so few entries are received, there's a great opportunity to win something by simply entering! The topic this year is much different than from previous contests. The essayist is asked to write an original story on honey bees suitable for a teacher to read to second-grade students. Suggested titles include: The Busy Little Bee, I Like Honey, A Trip to the Apiary, or My Friend, the Beekeeper. Time is running out to get a story together for this year's contest; deadline is January 15, 1995! Full contest rules are available from Bob Cox, State Apiarist, phone 515-281-5736 or FAX 515-242-5015. NEW ADDRESS FOR NATIONAL HONEY BOARD In an effort to keep down and improve staff efficiency, the National Honey Board office is moving to a new location. Effective Dec. 1, the new address is: National Honey Board 390 Lashley St. Longmont, CO 80501-6010 Phone numbers are the same. IHPA BUSINESS At the annual business meeting of the Iowa Honey Producers the membership voted to send a membership list with addresses and phone numbers to any member requesting it for a nominal fee to cover costs of printing and postage. Members who do not want their address or phone released should contact the IHPA secretary at the address below: Margaret Hala 1988 Vine Ave. Marshalltown, IA 50158 (515) 752-2981 HONEY OF A VERSE Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, God with us. (Matt. 1:23) CALENDAR OF EVENTS DECEMBER 10 Central Iowa Beekeepers meeting at the Royal Cafe in Huxley Meal at 5:30 p.m. business meeting at 6:30 and 7:30 program. 12 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers meeting 7:00 p.m. at Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City. JANUARY, 1995 9-13 The Annual Convention of the American Honey Producers Association at the Eldorado Hotel Casino in Reno, Nevada (hotel ph. 800-648-5966). Request registration kit from AHPA office, phone/FAX# 203-250-7271. 17-22 The American Beekeeping Federation Meeting at the Marriott at the Capitol in Austin, Texas. For more information contact the ABF office ph./FAX# 912-427-8447. WANT TO BUY: Drums of good flavored, light colored honey. Contact Paul F. Goossen, 4209 V. St., Homestead, IA 52236 Ph. (319) 622-6410. WITH THE BEES THIS MONTH Bee hives should be bundled up for winter by now. Colonies will not take liquid feed well now. You could put a sugar board on top and wrap them yet this month. This is the time to catch up on reading the beekeeping magazines and newsletters. Take inventory of your equipment to plan what you need to order and build this winter. Repair old equipment and put foundation in frames in a warm room so it is not damaged. Make plans to attend a bee meeting or take a beekeeping class during the off season. Its a great way to improve your beekeeping skills or get some new ideas. Melt down cappings and make some beeswax candles, figures, or Christmas ornaments for gifts. Be careful melting wax. Many a beekeeper has started his home or building on fire. HONEY BEES USED TO SAVE THE CORN CROP An interesting article concerning honey bees appeared in the October 30th Des Moines Register. USDA Scientists at Tifton, Georgia say they have developed a new method of crop pest control -- using honey bees to spread a pest-killing virus. Honey bees walk through a tray containing talc powder containing the virus as they exit the hive. Then, as the bees fly from flower to flower in search of pollen and nectar, the virus powder rubs off their bodies and attacks corn earworm larvae. VEGETABLE SHORTENING PATTIES CONTROL TRACHEAL MITES Field experiments conducted at the Ohio State University in 1991 and 1993 demonstrated that vegetable shortening patties when used continuously depressed tracheal mite populations in honey bee colonies. The continuous use of these "grease patties" also improved winter survival of the treated colonies. The short-term use of grease patties in the summer did not decrease mite levels in colonies. Visible symptoms were unreliable in distinguishing heavily infested colonies from colonies that are mite free or have a low level infestation. Crawling bees, K-wings and dead colonies with ample honey stores remaining are not reliable field symptoms. -taken from J. Econ. Entomol. 87(4): 910-916 (1994) HONEY COOKING CONTEST Linda Bigalk reported that the team of judges had lots of fun judging the entries in the Honey Cooking Contest at the IHPA Annual meeting in Marshalltown November 11. The panel of judges included Barbara Pedley, Velda Temperly, Mary Stattelman, and Linda Bigalk, all of which have had experience in judging 4-H. They especially looked at the amount of honey used in each recipe. First and Second place ribbons were awarded in each class at the Banquet Friday night. The following recipes were entered in the contest: 1. CANDIES Dark Chocolate Fudge - 1st place Janet Eidbo 1/2 cup honey 2 teaspoons vanilla 1/2 cup chopped nuts 2 12-oz pkg. chocolate chips 1 14-oz can sweetened, condensed milk Melt chocolate chips with honey and milk. Remove from burner, add vanilla and nuts. Pour into 9x9 pan. Cool and cut into pieces. Dark Chocolate Fudge - 2nd place Bob Cox 1 can of sweetened and condensed milk 2 12-oz bags of semisweet chocolate chips 1/3 cup Iowa clover honey 1 teaspoon of Mexican vanilla 1/2 cup chopped walnuts Spray 9x9x2 inch baking dish with no-stick coating. Melt chips, sweetened and condensed milk and Iowa honey over medium heat. Remove from stove and stir in vanilla and nuts. Cool and cut into squares. Store in a cool place. (from Sue Bee Honey Cook Book) Peanut Butter-butterscotch Chews - 3rd place Zada Glew 1 stick oleo 1 1/2 cup sugar 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup milk Boil together for one minute. Add 1 cup butterscotch chips, 1 cup Reeses peanut butter chips and 1/2 teaspoon salt. Drop by teaspoonful on wax paper. 2. HONEY NOVELTIES Flavored Honeys - One entrant, Marvin and Nicki Voyles Flavors: Peppermint, spearmint, orange, wintergreen, and almond. This is a fast growing category in honey, especially for specialty packing. 3. DIPS AND SPREADS Honey Spread - 1st place Margaret Hala 4 oz. package softened cream cheese 1/2 cup peanut butter (creamy is best) 1/2 cup Honey Mix together 'til well blended. Spread on sliced apples, celery or other veggie. Log Chain Chocolate Honey Sauce - 2nd place Ann Garber 4 oz. semi-sweet chocolate chips 4 tablespoons water 1/4 cup Honey 2 tablespoons butter Melt chocolate with water over low heat in a heavy bottom sauce pan. Simmer 3 minutes and remove from heat. Stir in honey and butter. Beat hard. Put in air tight container. Reheat but do not boil. Nuts optional. Serve over Mandarin orange slices. Apple Dip - Margaret Hala 4 oz. softened cream cheese 1/2 cup soft packed brown sugar 1 tablespoon Honey Blend together 'til creamy. Store in refrigerator. 4. BREADS Honey Nut Whole Wheat Muffins - 1st place Ann Garber 1 cup white flour 2 teaspoons baking powder 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/2 cup whole wheat flour 1/2 cup milk 1 egg 1/2 cup Honey 1/2 cup chopped nuts 1/4 cup melted Oleo 1/2 cup chopped prunes or raisins Pre-heat oven to 400 degrees F. Mix dry ingredients. Add milk, egg, honey, nuts, raisins, and oleo (which may be lumpy). Do not beat beat it. Fill greased muffin tin 2/3 full. Bake 20-25 mins. Loosen edge of muffins. Turn out to cool. Honey Sweet Rolls - 2nd place Wilma White 1 cup milk 2 tablespoons dry yeast 1/4 cup honey 1/4 cup lukewarm water 1/4 cup vegetable oil 2 eggs, beaten 1 teaspoon salt 5 cups flour Scald milk, add honey, vegetable oil, and salt. Soften yeast in lukewarm water and add to milk mixture. Add beaten eggs and half of the flour. Beat well and add the rest of the flour. Mix well and knead on a slightly floured board until smooth. Place in slightly greased bowl. Cover and let rise until double in bulk. Punch down and form into rolls. Let rise again. Bake 25 minutes in a 350 degree oven. Beer Bread - 3rd place Tim Laughlin 2 cups white flour 1 cup whole wheat flour 3 teaspoon baking powder 1/2 cup Honey 1 teaspoon salt 1 12-oz can beer Combine all ingredients and stir until moist. Put in greased loaf pan. Let sit for 10 minutes at room temperature. Bake in a 350 degree oven for about 50 minutes or until brown or sounds hollow when knocked on the bottom. 5. COOKIES Calypso Bars - 1st place Patty Stewart ("really good taste") Chocolate-raisin sauce: 2/3 cup hot water 1/3 cups Honey 1 1/3 cups raisins 1 tablespoons butter 1 teaspoon vanilla 2 1/2 squares unsweetened chocolate Melt chocolate in hot water over low heat. Add remaining ingredients. Cool. Batter: 3/4 cup butter 2/3 cup honey 1 3/4 cups flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 1 3/4 cups oats. Cream butter and honey together. Add remaining ingredients and blend well. Press 1/2 of this batter into a greased 9x13 inch baking pan. Spread with chocolate-raisin sauce and top with remaining batter. Bake at 325 degrees F for 25 minutes. Honey Chippies - 2nd place Zada Glew 1 cup oleo 1 (6 oz) pkg. butterscotch chips 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup sunflower seeds, shelled 1 teaspoon vanilla 2 cups flour 1 teaspoon salt 1 cup oatmeal (quick) Blend oleo and honey. Then add remaining ingredients. Roll in balls. Flatten with a fork. Bake at 325 degrees F for 10-12 mins. Honey Oatmeal Chewies - Zada Glew 1 egg 1 1/4 cup butter flavored crisco 1 cup sugar 1 teaspoon vanilla 2/3 cup brown sugar 1 teaspoon baking soda 1/4 cup honey 1 cup quick oatmeal 1/4 cup milk 1 cup chopped dates 1 teaspoon salt 1 cur angel flake coconut Cream crisco shortening, sugar, honey and add egg, milk and vanilla. Beat until light and fluffy. Combine flour, brown sugar and salt. Mix into creamed mixture. Stir in oatmeal, coconut, dates, and nuts. Drop by teaspoonfuls onto an ungreased cookie sheet. Bake at 350 degrees for 11-12 minutes. 6. CAKES Honey Cake - one entrant, Tim Laughlin 2 eggs 1 teaspoon cinnamon 1 cup sugar 2 1/2 cups flour 1/2 cup vegetable oil 1 cup strong coffee 1 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 cup nuts or raisins, 1 teaspoon baking powder if desired 3/4 cup Honey Blend all ingredients and beat 5 minutes. Pour into three 8-inch greased and floured loaf pans. Bake at 375 degrees F for about 40 minutes or until cake pulls away from the pan. Makes 3 loaves. IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION 1995 MEMBERSHIP DUES: Iowa Honey Producers Association $ 5.00 $_________ American Honey Producers 1-50 colonies $20.00 $_________ 51- 500 colonies $75.00 $_________ First time [] Renewal [] (Check one) American Beekeeping Federation 1-50 colonies $20.00 $_________ 51- 500 colonies $50.00 $_________ First time [] Renewal [] (Check one) SUBSCRIPTIONS: American Bee Journal One Year $16.95* $12.70 $_________ Two Years $31.40* $23.55 $_________ (Check one) First time [] Renewal [] Exp.date_________ Bee Culture magazine One Year $16.50* $12.25 $_________ Two Years $30.00* $22.50 $_________ (Check one) First time [] Renewal [] Exp.date_________ Speedy Bee newspaper One Year $17.25* $13.25 $_________ Two Years $32.50* $25.25 $_________ (Check one) First time [] Renewal [] Exp.date_________ ======== ====== TOTAL $_________ *PRICE YOU WOULD PAY FOR MAGAZINE IF YOU DID NOT BELONG TO IHPA CHECK PAYABLE TO: IOWA HONEY PRODUCERS ASSN. SEND CHECK AND FORM TO: Gordon Powell 4012 - 54th St. Des Moines, IA 50310 (515 ) 278-1762 NAME______________________________________________________________ __ ADDRESS:__________________________________________________________ __ CITY:____________________STATE_________________ZIP________________ __ PHONE(____)_______________________________________________________ __ No. of Colonies_________ No. of years kept bees__________ 11/23/94 From terry-dahms@uiowa.edu Tue Feb 21 22:27:01 EST 1995 Article: 1361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!drone.weeg.uiowa.edu!terry-dahms From: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu (Terry Dahms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feb. 95 'Buzz' - Iowa Beekeepers Newsletter Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:56:56 Organization: Weeg Computing Center Lines: 302 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: drone.weeg.uiowa.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Submitted by: Terry Dahms, Pres. East Central Iowa Beekeepers Assoc. internet: terry-dahms@uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE BUZZ FEBRUARY, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------ A newsletter published monthly as a cooperative effort by The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship and The Iowa Honey Producers Association (IHPA), an affiliate member of the Iowa Horticultural Society. Copy deadline is the 20th of each month. Your ideas, comments and letters are welcomed and encouraged. EDITOR: Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Dept. of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Monies, IA. 50319 Phone: (515) 281-5736. IHPA MEMBERSHIP: Membership dues in the Iowa Honey Producers Assn. are $5.00/year. Send to Gordon Powell, IHPA Treasurer. ------------------------------------------------------------------ STATE APIARIST REPORT It was great today (1/31/95) to see all the bees out taking a cleansing flight, although I'm sure winter is not over yet. My colonies seem to have plenty of honey but some of the clusters were small. I checked a few bees for tracheal mite and did not find any. How are your bees doing? When we have some of these mid-winter thaw days, its a good idea to check on the bees to see how their winter stores are holding up and if there is any life in the hive. There were many interesting and important issues discussed at the national meetings in January. Everyone is waiting for price relief from the anti-dumping suit. Things seem to be going well, but the first major decision won't be made until March or May by the International Trade Commission. The suit itself turns out to be somewhat controversial amoung various segments of the honey industry. Some producer-packers find themselves caught in the middle with both sides soliciting money to fight each other. The Varroa and tracheal mites really took a toll on the bees this past season. The primary symptom has been sick and dying brood that looks sort of like foulbrood and sac brood combined and has been named "Bee Parasitic Mite Syndrone or BPMS". Scientists studying it have found that it is not American or European foulbrood. They suspect that several viruses are involved, but the bees usually have these viruses. One theory says that the injury to the bee's body caused by Varroa may be what activates the latent viruses. The Beltsville Bee Lab has put five scientists to work on solving this puzzle and coming up with a remedy. At the Apiary Inspectors of America meeting last month, there was much talk about the changing role of bee inspectors. Changes suggested were that more emphasis be given to education and diagnosis of diseases, parasites and any other colony problems and less emphasis on "police" type activities. That's a great idea, however, in most states the law would have to be changed to allow for that kind of service to be offered by the state apiarist. The Nova Scotia Department of Agriculture is changing the title from "bee inspector" to "bee health advisor". What does the Iowa beekeeping industry want? Sign up for a beekeeping class in Des Moines, Cedar Rapids or St. Paul, Minnesota this spring. You'll be glad you did! AMATEUR BEEKEEPERS WANTED The Indian Creek Nature Center near Cedar Rapids, Iowa is seeking people interested in producing honey on their land. The Center will sponsor a beekeeping class that will meet several times during 1995. It will be taught by veteran beekeepers Russ Swenson and Bob Wolfe. "This class is designed for people who are interested in tending their own hives or have a strong interest in bees and honey," said Swenson. In addition to beekeeping techniques, students will have several opportunities to work hives under the supervision of Swenson and Wolfe and pool money to purchase equipment at a discount. The first meeting of the class will take place Saturday, February 18 at 2:00 p.m. Class registration is $10 for Nature Center members and $20 for nonmembers. For information call 362-0664. BEEKEEPING CLASS TO BE OFFERED IN DES MOINES Starting on Tuesday, March 7, 1995 a beekeeping class will be offered by the Iowa Department of Agriculture in cooperation with Polk county ISU Extension service. It will be held every Tuesday night for 8 weeks at the Des Moines Botanical Center. This will be an in-depth class covering a variety of topics on beekeeping for fun and profit. Each class session will last from 7:00 - 9:00 p.m. The class will include hands-on experience in beekeeping in the classroom and during field trips. Those interested in starting with bees, novice beekeepers and seasoned beekeepers are all welcome to participate. Pre-registration is required by February 27th and a registration fee will be charged. For more information and a registration form contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist, Iowa Department of Agriculture, Wallace Building, Des Moines, Iowa 50319 telephone (515) 281-5736 or FAX 242-5015 BEE NUTTY CHOCO-CHIP COOKIES - NHB 1/2 cup honey 1/2 cup peanut butter 1/2 cup butter or margarine 1/4 cup packed brown sugar 1 egg 1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla 2 cups flour 1/2 teaspoon each baking soda and salt 1 cup (6 oz.) chocolate morsels 1/2 cup coarsely chopped roasted peanuts Combine honey, peanut butter, butter and brown sugar in large bowl; beat until light and fluffy. Add egg and vanilla; mix thoroughly. Combine flour, soda and salt; mix well. Stir into peanut mixture. Stir in chocolate morsels and peanuts. Using 1/4 cup for each cookie, drop onto ungreased cookie sheet; flatten slightly. Bake at 350 degrees 8-10 minutes or until lightly browned. Remove to rack and cool. Makes 16 (3 inch) cookies. TERRAMYCIN USE IN EXTENDER PATTIES by Malcolm T. Sanford There continues to be a good deal of discussion about Terramycin use in bee colonies. This is especially true with reference to vegetable oil "extender patties." Dr. Kieth Delaplane at the University of Georgia recently co-authored an article with Dr. Fernando Lozano, who works for Pfizer, Inc., the manufacturer of Terramycin. The article entitled "Using Terramycin in Honey Bee Colonies," American Bee Journal, Vol. 134, No. 4, April 1994, pp 259-261, emphasizes several points: 1. Terramycin is the only medication approved for preventing and controlling American and European foulbrood. 2. Pfizer, Inc., makes three formulations for bees: TM-50D, TM-100D, and TM-25, also known as Terramycin Soluble Powder (TSP). 3. TM-50D contains 50 grams of active ingredient per pound and TM-100D contains 100 grams of active ingredient per pound and TM-25 contains 25 grams of active ingredients per pound, but is packaged in 6.4 ounce foil packs, each containing 10 grams of active ingredient. 4. At least three bee supply companies reformulate Pfizer Terramycin products into medications under different brand names. 5. Not all Terramycin products are safe for bees; only those that have labels for honey bees should and can legally be used. 6. The product most readily available in small quantities -- TSP or TM-25 -- has a label which creates confusion. It uses "impractically small units (teaspoons and ounces)," contains a reference to TM-10 (a cancelled product) and has no instructions for mixing antibiotic extender patties. 7. Extender patties allow Terramycin to be delivered for up to several weeks with only one trip to the bee hive. The oil in extender patties has also been shown to deter tracheal mites. The original idea of extender patties comes from work by Dr. Bill Wilson and colleagues entitled "Antibiotic Treatments That Last Longer," American Bee Journal, September, 1970, pp. 348-351. The recipe in that article, thought to be the best in most cases, has been published many times, including the July 1992 APIS. It is 1/3 pound Crisco, 2/3 pound granulated sugar, 2 tablespoons of TSP or TM-25, yielding two patties. Later, Dr. Wilson found that a patty half as large was satisfactory and would last six weeks. The article by Drs. Delaplane and Lozano has recipes for all Pfizer products formulated as dust, syrup and patties. The TSP "dosage guide" for extender patties is as follows: ------------------------------------------------------------------ No. of 6.4 oz. Lbs. vegetable powdered Colonies treated packets TSP shortening sugar 1 lb. patty/colony 1 4.6 9.1 14 2 9.1 18.2 28 3 13.7 27.4 42 4 18.2 36.5 56 5 22.8 45.6 70 ------------------------------------------------------------------ The authors state that the TSP, powdered sugar and vegetable shortening should be mixed together and each colony be fed a patty on the top bars. (Editors note: Many beekeepers use a 1/2 pound patty of this same mix and also use granulated rather than powdered sugar.) They also urge removal of any remaining material at least four weeks before the honey flow and that any honey stored while patties are on a colony must not be used for human consumption. Finally, they state that extender patties require a higher dosage of medication per colony (up to 800 mg active ingredient) to provide adequate active ingredient levels. This means that fewer colonies can be treated with the same amount of of active ingredient using the extender patty method. (taken in part from APIS, Florida Extension's Beekeeping newsletter) Several studies have shown that use of Extender patties, on a continual basis year round, will keep down tracheal mite populations in colonies. These "grease patties" cannot contain Terramycin shortly before and during surplus honey production. CALENDAR OF EVENTS FEBRUARY 27 Registration deadline for SRPING BEEKEEPING CLASS in Des Moines MARCH 4 IHPA Board Meeting 1:00 p.m. at Barn Restaurant in Amana. 11 Missouri State Beekeepers Spring Meeting in Columbia, MO. For more details contact Larry Hensley 314-355-6935 13 Eastcentral Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Meeting 7:00 p.m. at Montgomery Hall, Johnson County Fairgrounds, Iowa City. 19 Central Iowa Beekeepers Assn. Meeting. 5:30 p.m. Buffet dinner. 6:30 p.m. Meeting (Election of Officers). Royal Cafe in Huxley. DIRECTIONS: Take Hwy. 210 exit from I-35 and go west to U.S. Hwy. 69. Go north to Huxley one mile, then through town to the shopping center on the east side of the highway. 25 Southwest Wisconsin Honey Producers Meeting in Kieler, WI. For more details contact Metz Honey at 608-568-7601 CARAMEL CORN - Zada Glew 2 tablespoons butter 3/4 cup brown sugar 1/3 cup Honey 8 cups popped popcorn Heat butter, brown sugar and honey in a small saucepan on medium heat until bubbling along the sides. Pour mixture over popped popcorn, stir thoroughly and let cool. HONEY BOARD EXHIBITS U.S. HONEY IN MIDDLE EAST United States honey and honey products were displayed by the National Honey Board in the Fifth Annual Gulf Food & Equipment Exhibit (known as GULFOOD'95) held Jan. 15-18, 1995 in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. GULFOOD'95 is acknowledged as the premier Middle East international food trade exhibition. Over 300 exhibitors from all sectors of the food industry were expected to participate and the show was expected to draw over 5,000 trade visitors from around the world. The Middle East region is one of the fastest growing markets in the world and is almost totally dependent on food imports. GULFOOD'95 is timed to coincide with the peak purchasing period for the Middle East food market. For the past several years, the Honey Board has participated in one or more international food shows. Honey exporters (those who chose to be included in the Honey Board's 1992 Exporters Directory as well as exporters who have had contact with the Board in the interim) are notified of upcoming shows and invited to display their U.S. honey products. As of the December 9th deadline, seven exporters had agreed to participate in GULFOOD'95. If you are interested in displaying your U.S. honey and honey products in future international trade shows, contact Linda Hampel at the National Honey Board office, (303) 776-2337 ext. 20. HONEY OF A VERSE He (Jonathan) put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an HONEYCOMB, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened.(I Samuel 14:27b) DID YOU KNOW THAT... Eliza Gallup of Osage, Iowa received attention as a beekeeper soon after the Civil War by writing regularly for the American Bee Journal. He wrote on introducing Italian queens in 1866, but his contributions covered the entire field of beekeeping operations. He attended the First American Beekeepers Convention held at Cleveland, Ohio in March 1860 and was elected treasurer of the organization. G.M. Doolittle, called the "father of queen rearing," was one of Gallup's early pupils. He taught the importance of the queen in good beekeeping. (from "History of Iowa Beekeeping" by Prof. F.B. Paddock) FOR SALE: 100 colonies in good condition with '94 queens. Will sell all or part. Contact: Bill Eickholt, 412 Sherman Ave., Cherokee, IA 51012 (712) 225-5207. FOR SALE: Italian Bee Packages with Queen. Two pound $24.00, Three pound $28.00. Queens $7.00. All shipped with Apistan strips. To be picked up April 6. Call Douglas Child in Aurora, Iowa at (319) 634-3682. JOB OPENING: Research technician. B.S. degree and beekeeping experience required and lab experience is a plus. The position can be filled at a higher level for a qualified person with a masters degree. Contact: Dr. Thomas Webster, Atwood Research Facility, Kentucky State University, Frankfort, KY 40601 phone: (502) 227-6351. FOR SALE: Bee Culture/ABJ collection 1965-1994. 500+ magazines. Many complete years in good, clean, organized condition. Some collector's items. Was $295 in the making, asking $75. Call ph.# (515) 253-0525. QUOTABLE QUOTE Isn't it funny How a bear likes honey? (Alan Alexander Milne) ENTRY PERMITS If you plan to transport a load of packages or colonies into the state this spring, you need to request an entry permit from the state apiarist's office. A permit is not required for packages or queens entering the state via the U.S. Postal Service. The reason for the permit is to make sure the packages or colonies are treated for the Varroa mite and free of American foulbrood disease. It is unfair to sell bees that become sick or die soon after purchase. Contact Bob Cox, State Apiarist as soon as possible to obtain an entry permit. Phone (515) 281-5736 or FAX 242-5736 at Iowa Department of Agriculture, Wallace State Office Bldg., Des Moines, IA 50319. From david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Feb 24 21:55:24 EST 1995 Article: 1362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: david macfawn Subject: Miller Wood Products Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 22:08:08 GMT Lines: 11 Has anyone ordered equipment (hive bodies, supers, tops and bottoms, & frames) from Miller Wood Products in White city, OR. They have some really good prices advertised in the American Bee Journal but I am wondering as to the quality...does it all fit square?? Thanks, Dave M. david macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-632-7409 From ehrlich@world.std.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:25 EST 1995 Article: 1363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!world!ehrlich From: ehrlich@world.std.com Subject: ISO: 'Stay Healthy, Eat Your Honey' license plate holder Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 20:39:31 GMT Lines: 9 I'm not a beekeeper any more, but I liked my license plate holder. Unfortunately, it got torn off of my car. Is this item in any beekeeping cataloges? Could you email their ordering phone number to me? Thanks. Stu E. ehrlich@world.std.com From pamschel@interserv.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:26 EST 1995 Article: 1364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!usenet From: pamschel@interserv.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: 18 Feb 1995 06:38:24 GMT Organization: NovX InterServ News Service Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3i44l0$8ud@data.interserv.net> References: <3hqg40$pje@bud.peinet.pe.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc6_p25.sprint.dialup.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) There is a honey extractor which will spin 2 frames, one on each side. It is sturdy plastic and metal and it is made in China and it costs $100.00. I ordered mine out of the Dadant catalogue. As far as I know, centrifugal force is the only way to extract with any efficiency, unless you go for the honey in the combs, which is what I am thinking of doing next. I have been keeping bees for one year here in California. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Feb 24 21:55:27 EST 1995 Article: 1365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Message-ID: <3ib9cc$4bf@netnews.upenn.edu> From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:42:04 GMT References: <115@kiwifruit.win-uk.net> <3ia7q0$hhr@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: University of Pennsylvania NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Lines: 26 Adam Finkelstein (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) wrote: : In article , : David M. Stamper wrote: : > : >Wrong group Roger. The reason for my posting was because it directly dealt : >with bees and beekeeping. Apparently you DO have a mind of your own as you : >recognize that exploitation of bees, for the vast majority of cases, does not : >constitute abuse of bees. If you want to discuss shipping cattle, go to : >talk.politics.animals. : Seems Roger posted a pretty straightforward point: : He is a beekeeper, a vegan , and *not* a Nazi. : His cattle shipping example works in his illustration. : Maybe as beekeepers, we shouldn't overreact to the Peta stuff? : Who really cares what they think right? : Adam : -- I'm strongly inclined to agree; after the earlier query about beekeeping and cruelty, I logged onto their newsgroup (it's animal.politics or something similar) and scanned through some of the posts. Although there are SOME thoughtful participants involved in it, it's full of personal attacks and pseudophilosphical drivel. I'd hate to see this newsgroup degenerate to such a tone. Dave From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:29 EST 1995 Article: 1366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where are the bees? Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950222074012923@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 102 <>Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:12:31 -0800 <>From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." <>Subject: Where are the bees? <>Recent rains in Southern Calif and a mid spring have prompted local <>fruit trees to begin blossoming. But there is something missing - <>Bees. Hello Paul, The bees will soon be back, they are all up in central California doing their duty in the almonds. <>I have been monitoring the neighborhood blossom for our friendly <>pollinators but there are very few if any. And I was hoping to get a <>bumper crop of apricots this year. :( Bee's will work apricots, but as they produce a nectar with very little sugar it is not uncommon not to find many bees working them if there is anything else in bloom. Not sure what area your are in, but with all the rain and warm weather I am sure there are many other flowers for bees besides the apricots. Check the blue gum trees or the wild mustard fields if you have any near by and see if the bees are all working there. <>I have been keeping bees for over 20 years and NEVER seen anything <>like this. Has anyone else noticed this in their neighborhood. Yes, it has been reported by others, but some reduction in bee population is a natural function of pasture. If the pasture is poor as in an extended drought like California has experienced for the last few years you would expect to see fewer successful feral hives. <>I'm afraid that with the lack of pollination from local feral hives <>will eventually cause a raise in the food prices. Well, if all you ate was almonds, then you should worry. Most of California agriculture is not dependent on bees other then to produce seed. California had NO Honey Bee's before the mid 1800's and with few notable exception, (Donner Party), no reports of any mass starvation in non beekeepers. Good news, apricots do well without honey bees in most areas and in fact most apricot growers don't appreciate any help from honey bees as with large sets comes high thinning costs as small size fruit does not pay the cost of picking. Without laws to protect bees from pesticides apricot growers would do a job on them to keep them from trespassing in their orchards and in the past many did just that.. <>Does this mean that Varroa or other diseases are having that much of <>effect on the bee population? or is beekeeping dying as a hobby? No beekeeping as a hobby should thrive. Hobbyists with a little experience take as good or better care of their bees then us old commercial beekeepers as we can only put back what the bees make and in bad times that is not much. I do expect a dramatic reduction in commercial beekeepers in the next few years if the economics don't improve. There is something out there that is taking a horrible tole on bees, and Vampire mites are the popular suspect, I suspect if we had no Vampire mites it would be something else, but losses are real to those who are experiencing them. And if you don't protect your bees with Apistan and they die then you will wish you had protected them. <>I read on this bee-list about resistence to Apistan (just like <>antibiotics in humans). Are there any alternatives to APistan or <>being developed? True, there has been antidotal reports from beekeepers in California that say the same thing for over a year. Is it true? I am inclined to believe NOT YET in general, but I would expect that it will be. My reasoning is: From day one the active chemical in Apistan strips did not kill 100% of the mites, leaving a residue population as an ideal reservoir for building resistance stock. Another factor could be the manufacture of the strips has reduced the amount of active material as beekeepers were able to use the strips several times killing repeat sales. And then there are the beekeepers who leave the strips in over winter or all year around. <>How about releasing sterilized adult Varroa to stop the life cycle for <>awhile? How about it? A better question who would pay for it? A few years back there was a chance for beekeepers to get sterilized wax moths started, when wax moths were one of our major problems, and because of the lack of people willing to pay a small price to rid their bee hives of wax moths we will never know if it really would have worked. <>Hoping to see some more bee activity on my fruit trees soon... I would bet you will get a good crop of fruit if you can protect it from the hungry birds. ttul Andy- For computer generated answers to beekeeping questions call Wild Bee's BBS @ 209-826-8107 and page the OLd Drone to talk with a 100% cybernated beekeeper the only one like it in the world available to the public... (c) Permission to reproduce granted. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:30 EST 1995 Article: 1367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where are the bees? Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:13:00 GMT Message-ID: <950222074012924@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 31 ---------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:12:31 -0800 From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Where are the bees? Recent rains in Southern Calif and a mid spring have prompted local fruit trees to begin blossoming. But there is something missing - Bees. I have been monitoring the neighborhood blossom for our friendly pollinators but there are very few if any. And I was hoping to get a bumper crop of apricots this year. :( I have been keeping bees for over 20 years and NEVER seen anything like this. Has anyone else noticed this in their neighborhood. I'm afraid that with the lack of pollination from local feral hives will eventually cause a raise in the food prices. Does this mean that Varroa or other diseases are having that much of effect on the bee population? or is beekeeping dying as a hobby? I read on this bee-list about resistence to Apistan (just like antibiotics in humans). Are there any alternatives to APistan or being developed? How about releasing sterilized adult Varroa to stop the life cycle for awhile? Hoping to see some more bee activity on my fruit trees soon... Paul Cronshaw DC cronshaw@rain.org From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:32 EST 1995 Article: 1368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Land of Milk & Honey Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <950222222102929@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 82 originally in conference IN--RURALmis on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) ---------------------------------------- |-----------------|Af017@freenet.Carleton.Ca (david R. Smith)refer#: None wrote: >During that period most opinion polls of both consumers and >farmers ran 90% against BGH. |----end quotes---------------------------------| Heck, David, bet the same city people if polled would not want to live next to a diary farm or a diary farmer...City people are biased when it comes to farmers in any form, a natural bias as most moved to the city to get away from the farm generations ago. City people know farmers are genetically different, farmers plunder, rape, and kill only what is necessary to produce food for themselves and to sell to others, unlike city people who do it randomly for the fun of it. Government policy is also biased, they want the farmer to do what ever is necessary to supply a adequate supply of food, just as long as it is cheep. Anything else they could care less, after all farmers don't make up any significant voting blocks, and mostly are represented by others who sell things to farmers, insurance companies, supplies, the AARP, and the like. A lot has to do with how or why the poll was taken in the first place. Nobody that does not know what BTH is, including me, would want it added to their ice cream. But the same people could have a different opinion if it was going to make that ice cream less expensive. The reality of it all is that milk once it leaves the dairy farm is like a raw ingredient for manufacturing this product or that. It is not what came from the cow in its natural state. Its strained to get the lumps out, chilled to capture its fresh flavor, heated to kill the little bugs, separated into its different fractions, and then assembled to produce a finished product with the addition of this chemical or that depending on the product. It stopped being natural when it left the cows udder for the bucket. As far a BGH goes, don't see what the fuss is about. We should be so worried about the other things that get added to milk and products made with milk. The cultures of this or that, guargums, seaweeds, and weird powered stuff not unlike what is sold in a Chinese drug store made of powered dried cow parts and the like. Some of this stuff if eaten alone would gag a maggot if it did not poison you. Like I said not being a dairyman I am willing to leave it up to the Dairyman what he puts in his cows, if its safe by government standards, and BGH seems to have passed the tests its OK with me. Heck I drink chocolate milk anyway... We being the Land of Milk and Honey, have advanced to the point in civilization that Honey is the only natural food left of the two. Honey has nothing added, nothing taken away, no government support, if you buy it from your local politically right American Honey producer, anything else is buyer beeware. ttul Andy- ______________________ (//////////////////////) For ANYDAY, no gift say's more! (//////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ "H-O-N-E-Y I LOVE YOU ! | Wild Flower! | | | .,,,,,,,,,,. | _ _ \ / | ,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;, | | |_| | __ _ \/ | ,;;;;;;;;;;;)));;(((,,;;;,,_ | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | ,;;;;;;;;;;' |)))))))))))\\ | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | ;;;;;;/ )'' - /,)))((((((((((\ | | ;;;;' \ ~|\ )))))))))))))) | Product of LOVE 16oz | / / | (((((((((((((( |________________________| /' \ _/~' ')|())))))))) /' `\ /> o_/)))(((((((( Flowers are great, but for / /' `~~(____ / ())))))))))) a Love that lasts HONEY is | ---, \ \ (((((((((( the right treatment...! `\ \~-_____| )))))))) "Omar Kiyamm" 5th Cen. Apiarist `\ | |_.---. \ -Tua Xiong (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. (U)Opinions are not necessarily fact. Check the facts before expressing opinion. From tomowens@pacificrim.net Fri Feb 24 21:55:33 EST 1995 Article: 1369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwlink.com!baja.pacificrim.net!pacificrim.net!tomowens From: tomowens@pacificrim.net (Tom Owens) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee's wax Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 22:39:05 Organization: Fuel/Energy Consulting Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp33.pacificrim.net Summary: Need Source of Was Keywords: wax X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I would like to find a source of bees was. It will be used for candle making. Anyone with ideas?? Please E-mail tomowens@pacificrim.net Thanks From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Feb 24 21:55:35 EST 1995 Article: 1370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Date: 20 Feb 1995 14:09:04 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3ia7q0$hhr@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <115@kiwifruit.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , David M. Stamper wrote: > >Wrong group Roger. The reason for my posting was because it directly dealt >with bees and beekeeping. Apparently you DO have a mind of your own as you >recognize that exploitation of bees, for the vast majority of cases, does not >constitute abuse of bees. If you want to discuss shipping cattle, go to >talk.politics.animals. Seems Roger posted a pretty straightforward point: He is a beekeeper, a vegan , and *not* a Nazi. His cattle shipping example works in his illustration. Maybe as beekeepers, we shouldn't overreact to the Peta stuff? Who really cares what they think right? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From chowe@cthoneybee.win.net Fri Feb 24 21:55:36 EST 1995 Article: 1371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!ames!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!warlock.win.net!witch!cthoneybee!chowe Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <463@cthoneybee.win.net> References: <9502142127591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> <3htt46$gu3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) From: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net (Charles Howe) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 03:59:48 GMT Subject: Re: bear fencing? Lines: 41 In article <3htt46$gu3@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) writes: >In article , >Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote: >>Bear fences are a standard practice in some areas of Northern Alberta. >> >>I seem to remember 3 strands of smooth wire. > >Beekeepers in the Virginia mountains use this same set-up. >They spring for solar powered chargers too, and set them up in an empty >hive! They use metal "T" posts. I think it was something like $150.00/yard >but this is amortized over time and certainly worth it. >Adam >-- >______________________________________ >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu > UH-HUM... Maybe I should butt in here. I have been using a nylon net fence in which the horizontal strands are interwoven with stainless steel for about 7 years. The fence is about 1 meter high and comes with its own plastic posts installed. I think it is manufactured in U.K. or Europe somewhere. I run it with a solar fence charger. I haven't had to train the local bear population. However, when first installed one bear tried to dig under it in two places before giving up. He/she had gotten to one of my colonies before I installed the fence. In the last 7 years I haven't had a bear get through a working fence. Last spring I forgot to turn the fence charger back on when leaving the outyard. Within 2 days a bear got two of the three colonies which were in the yard. ----------------------------------------- | Chuck Howe - Editor | | Connecticut Honey Bee | | INTERNET - CHOWE@CTHONEYBEE.WIN.NET | | COMPUSERVE - 72726.1437@COMPUSERVE.COM | ----------------------------------------- From scolenut@uoguelph.ca Fri Feb 24 21:55:38 EST 1995 Article: 1372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!scolenut From: scolenut@uoguelph.ca (Sandra C Colenutt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tobacco vs Wood Smoke? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:16:42 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am a University of Guelph student, and am considering doing a project this summer on the effects of Tobacco vs. Wood smoke on bee loss while moving hives. Does anyone out there have any practical experience with using Tobacco smoke with bees, or any ideas of where I can find some information? Any comments would be appreciated. e-mail scolenut@uoguelph.ca From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Fri Feb 24 21:55:39 EST 1995 Article: 1373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <115@kiwifruit.win-uk.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 01:41:29 GMT Lines: 228 Congratulations: You have earned an honored place in my killfile, as have any gullible enough to respond to this troll. Please remember this is (last time I looked) sci.agriculture.beekeeping Roger Barton (rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net) wrote: : : In article , David M. Stamper (dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu) writes: : >The following info was posted on talk.politics.animals. The responses are : >mine. Please add anything you think is necessary, as I am a newbie beekeeper. : >I tried to be as precise as possible, though. Cross-posting is cool, : >sometimes. : > : >>> dgraft@news.gate.net (Donald Graft) writes: : > : >>>Here is the PeTA Factsheet covering bees. All the factsheets will soon : >>>be available on the imminent PeTA homepage. : > : >>> Each year, the down, silk, and honey industries kill thousands of : >>> geese, silkworms, and bees, respectively. Silk and honey producers : >>> excuse their actions with claims that worms and bees are "simple" : >>> forms of life, but consumers are beginning to question the unnecessary : >>> killing of even tiny, sometimes socially complex creatures like these. : >> : >>>How About Honey? : > : >>> In the honey industry, the buzz word is profit. Like factory farmers, : >>> many beekeepers take inhumane steps to ensure personal safety and : >>> reach production quotas. It is not unusual for larger honey producers : >>> to cut off the wings of the queen bee so that she cannot leave the : >>> colony, or to have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version : >>> of the factory farm "rape rack." (6) : > : >>The cutting of wings is typically done to either mark the queen or reduce : >>(not eliminate) the ability of the colony to swarm. There is absolutely NO : >>indication that this causes the queen bee (which can sting) any discomfort. : > : >>The "rape rack" is obviously an emotional plea based on non-relevant material. : >>Artificial insemination is no more a rape than the gang rape that virgin : >>queens would get under natural conditions. : > : >>> When the keeper wants to move a : >>> queen to a new colony, she is carried with "body-guard" bees, all of : >>> whom--if they survive transport-- will be killed by bees in the new : >>> colony. : > : >>This is a complete lie. The bees shipped with the queen in the cage are not : >>"body-guards", they are "nurses". When the new queen and her attendants (in : >>the cage) are placed in the queenless hive, the workers eat the candy plug : >>from one end of the cage. Meanwhile, honey and pollen are being passed back : >>and forth through the wire of the cage, therby spreading the new queen's : >>pheremones throughout the hive. By the time the candy plug is removed, the : >>hive will accept the new queen AND her attendants. : > : >>> Large commercial operations also may take all the honey instead of : >>> leaving the 60 pounds or so that bees need to get through the winter. : >>> They replace the rich honey with a cheap sugar substitute that is not : >>> as fortifying or tasty. : > : >>This is perhaps misleading. What is meant by a "cheap sugar substitute"? Is : >>such cases, sugar (sucrose) is fed to the bees to get them through the winter. : >>No sugar substitute is sufficient. Nutrisweet and saccharin are not used. : >>Bees actually prefer food sources based mainly on sugar content. For example, : >>a 50 % sugar solution (a cheap sugar substitute- by the PETA definition) is : >>preferred by bees who have free access to nectar with a 40% sugar : >>concentration (Free, J.B., and M.V. Smith, 1961). They are apparently capable : >>of determining which food source is most efficient for them to gather and : >>base this decision on sugar content and distance from the hive. : > : >>A summary for this: the bees do think sugar is fortifying and tasty. : > : >>> In colder areas, if the keepers consider it : >>> too costly to keep the bees alive through the winter, "disposable" : >>> hives allow them to destroy the hives by pouring gasoline on them, : >>> killing most of the bees with the fumes, and setting them on fire. : > : >>Another lie. : > : >>I wish I knew where I could get some of these "disposable" hives. None of my : >>beekeeping suply catalogs have such equipment. A commercial-sized hive : >>typically costs more than $400. Clearly, such a practice would not be : >>cost-effective. : > : >>Hives are destroyed by fire for other reasons, however. It is generally : >>required by law to burn hives infected with American Foulbrood, caused by the : >>bacterium Bacillus larvae. This disease is HIGHLY contagious and responds : >>only moderately to antibiotics- which cannot be used during a honey flow. : >>Since the causal agent can exist as a stress-resistant spore, the only real : >>treatment is complete destruction of the hive. The bees are killed, and the : >>beekeeper is out his $400. : > : >>> Other times, keepers, who feel that lost bees are easily replaced, : >>> allow them to die when trees are sprayed with insecticide. : > : >>More lies. : > : >>It is not possible to prevent bees exposed to pesticides from dying, : >>though there generally are legal means of prosecuting someone who sprays : >>pesticide on honey crops without warning beekeepers. A general claim that : >>beekeeping is an industry based on profits is not supported by a practice of : >>haphazard killing of bees. If bees are killed by pesticide, that often means : >>that that hive will either be killed or severely weakened (depending on the : >>pesticide), and the beekeeper will have NO honey surplus from that hive that : >>year. It is not a trivial thing to build up a strong, economically-viable : >>hive and commercial beekeepers work very hard to limit the dangers their bees : >>face. : > : >>> Bees are often killed, : >>> or their wings and legs torn off, by haphazard handling. : > : >>Yes, this is true. Bees are also killed by animal rights Nazis going for : >>walks in the park. So what. Beekeepers generally take great care to minimize : >>the number of bees injured or killed during hive manipulation for a very : >>simple reason: when bees are injured, they tend to sting. When bees sting, : >>they release an alarm chemical, isoamyl acetate, which incites other bees to : >>sting. Beekeepers generally wish to minimize the stings they receive, and it : >>is common to NOT get stung when manipulating a hive. : > : >>> To produce a pound of honey, bees must get pollen from 2 million : >>> flowers, and must fly more than 55,000 miles. (7) Honeybees : >>> returning to the hive from a pollen-seeking expedition "dance" in : >>> figure eights to "map out" a route for other bees to follow. These : >>> dances "encode information about the distance and direction of a : >>> target that can be miles away from the nest," said Thomas D. Seeley of : >>> Cornell University. (8) : > : >>Does this somehow represent an official PETA position on the exploitation of : >>bees? : > : >>> According to the Cook-DuPage Beekeepers' Association, humans have been : >>> using honey since about 15,000 B.C., but it took until the 20th : >>> century for people to turn bees into factory-farm animals. In 1987 the : >>> honey "crop" netted $115.4 million. (9) : > : >>Again, is this a PETA position? Or is it just an opportunity to use the : >>buzz-words factory farm? Factory farms produce nearly all the food we eat, : >>including the food the animal rights Nazis eat. : > : >>> Luckily, many sweeteners are : >>> made without killing bees: rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, barely malt, : >>> maple syrup, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can replace honey : >>> in recipes. (10) Use these substitutes to keep your diet bee-free. : > : >>Lucky for whom? None of these products can replace honey in recepies without : >>changing the flavor. Maple syrup is probably the only thing in your list that : >>I enjoy. Unfortunately, it costs about $25/gallon. : > : >> : >>> REFERENCES : >>> 1. "And a Cow Jumped Over the Moon," The Animals' Voice, February : >>> 1989, p. 56. : >>> 2. Henry Kamm, "No Bed of Feathers for a Goose in Hungary," The New : >>> York Times, June 2, 1988. : >>> 3. Ibid. : >>> 4. Marcia Pearson, "Down," The Compassionate Shopper, Winter 1987-88. : >>> 5. Al Schneider, "Down-Filled Clothing vs. Synthetics," Letters, The : >>> Washington Post Health Section, Jan. 16, 1990. : >>> 6. Arthur Ling, "Ain't So Sweet: The Other Side of Honey," The Vegan, : >>> Spring 1988, pp. 12-13. : >>> 7. Wally Spiers, Belleville News-Democrat, Sept. 11, 1988. : >>> 8. Rick Weiss, "New Dancer in the Hive," Science News, Oct. 28, 1989, : >>> p. 282. : >>> 9. Spiers. : >>> 10. Victoria Moran, "Leaving the Land of Milk and Honey," The Animals' : >>> Agenda, March 1988, p. 48. : > : >>Very few of your references are unbiased. The good references do not support : >>your goal of vilifying beekeepers as evil. : >> : >>> [IMAGE] People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals : >>> P.O. Box 42516, Washington, DC 20015 : >>> 301-770-PETA : >>>-- : >>>Donald Graft : >>>Read the Animal Rights FAQ! available from...dgraft@gate.net : >>>Animal Rights Resource Site (ARRS) http://www.umanitoba.ca/arrs/index.html : > : >>Thanks for the easy flamebait, Don. You PETA people mean well at heart, : >>except that you are imprecise, distort the truth, and lie in order to promote : >>your bizarre values. It is completely ridiculous that no animals should ever : >>be killed as a result of human actions. : > : >>Dave : Mr Stamper (or Dave) I am not a PETA person but I am an animal : rights supporter and vegan. I fully intend to keep bees when I am : able to do so. I consider myself an educated person (I have a : background in biology with expertise in entomology and social : insect communication) I do not consider myself an animal rights : *Nazi* because I choose not to eat meat or milk products or : because I feel an impotent anger when I see calves being exported : live to Europe to die in continental slaughterhouses because we in : Britain need to drink the milk produced by the cow for them. If : you read your history books you will see that it was the *Nazis* : who loaded innocents into cattle trucks and sent them to their : deaths far away *not* the people who tried to stop them. I wish I : was brave enough to stand in front of these cattle trucks like the : ordinary people of the British ports are doing (and being crushed : to death in the process). I subscribed to this newsgroup to learn : practical skills to care for bees not to observe extremist bickering : of any type. Thats my twopennorth for what it's worth : Roger : >>------------------------------------------------------------- : >>The following is not my opinion. It is Thrill's. : >>It is funny only because we know she means it. : > : >>Don't act like being an omnivore is natural. You are an omnivore by : >>choice. It is your choice because you don't care about animals and you : >>are a murderer. You are a murderer because you are inherintly evil. : >>You are evil because you sent to earth by satan. The moral of the story? : >>Thrill is an angel sent from heaven to destroy all evil. Rejoice! : >>------------------------------------------------------------- : > : > : -- : Roger Barton rbarton@kiwifruit.win-uk.net : 22A St Johns Rd, South Tottenham : LONDON. N15 6QP. UK. Tel 0181 809 4124 (+44 181 809 4124) : "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness". Adlai Stevenson. : Adlai Stevenson -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Virtual Art Gallery: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From pamschel@interserv.com Fri Feb 24 21:55:40 EST 1995 Article: 1374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!usenet From: pamschel@interserv.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are the bees? Date: 24 Feb 1995 06:14:48 GMT Organization: NovX InterServ News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ijtgo$55l@data.interserv.net> References: <950222074012924@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: stk5_p7.sprint.dialup.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) > andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: I live in California too, in Hemet, and I have been wondering the same thing! I have an acacia tree in full bloom and I was studying it yesterday and did not even see one bee on it. That struck me as especially strange since I have a pretty active colony in my backyard. I was thinking it was just too early until I saw your message wondering the same thing, and you have much more experience with bees than I do. Please post your observations on this matter later on towards the honeyflow. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Feb 24 21:55:42 EST 1995 Article: 1375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!night.primate.wisc.edu!kbad.eglin.af.mil!rpi!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen raising in a backyard lot Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 10:31:28 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1734C9407S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3i6o17$of5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3i6o17$of5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> prgramly@prairienet.org (Phillip R. Gramly) writes: >... >Now to my question:... > >too many questions to type answers... > >- can anyone recomend a book on queen rearing that addresses the > backyard beekeeper? > > >fascinated with the bees, > >Phillip > I would recommend the discussion of requeening found in Killion's "Honey in the Comb", available from Dadant and Sons. A very informative discussion of rearing queens, including the "how tos" and timing schedules to produce as many queens as you may need, when you need them. Book runs around $10 U.S. (about the price of a single queen) and is well worth the investment. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From frederick.mckenzie-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov Fri Feb 24 21:55:45 EST 1995 Article: 1376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!niven.ksc.nasa.gov!algol.ksc.nasa.gov!k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov!user From: frederick.mckenzie-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco vs Wood Smoke? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:52:59 -0500 Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center, Florida Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov In article <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, scolenut@uoguelph.ca (Sandra C Colenutt) wrote: > I am a University of Guelph student, and am considering doing a project > this summer on the effects of Tobacco vs. Wood smoke on bee loss while > moving hives. Does anyone out there have any practical experience with > using Tobacco smoke with bees, or any ideas of where I can find some > information? Sandra- I have no knowledge of beekeeping, but wondered about your choice of Tobacco. It is my understanding that nicotine is an effective insecticide. 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Estimated needs are $1000.00 per month for the 1st year.(FIRM) <-30-02-95> -30-30- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 28 11:38:28 EST 1995 Article: 1378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Freeze dried honey bee venom Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 04:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <950224074731934@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 60 ¯”® --- start quotes --- ¯”® <>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:59:38 -0800 <>To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) <>Subject: Re: Freeze dried honey bee venom <>Would you be able to help me with the distribution channels for freeze <>dried honey bee venom? i.e. how one could go about marketing this? ¯”® --- end of quotes --- ¯”® Hello Vellani, The BAD news, this is outside my spear of expertise. What I do know of this is that the market may be controlled by contracts with the botanical medicine companies that market these kind of products. The GOOD news is that if you find a market I would expect that your efforts would be rewarded at a level not normally associated with beekeeping efforts. I would ask around the biology departments at your local universities, and check with the pharmaceutical departments of any big hospitals, or medical schools. Someone should be able to put you on to some contacts you can make inside the drug industry. For sure you will want to do your part to produce a product they can use and find out if there is a open market. If it's like everything else some outfit in Timbuktu is producing it by the 55 gallon drum with white slave labor. But you won't know until you find that market. About all I can do is pass your message along the internet highway if you wish. 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From poyler@epix.net Tue Feb 28 11:38:29 EST 1995 Article: 1379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!grape.epix.net!lwbyppp4.epix.net!user From: poyler@epix.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:18:38 -0500 Organization: WSSD Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lwbyppp4.epix.net Hi! We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well infested with wax moths. We were wondering if, after cleaning the hives, we could put paradichlorobenzene crystals or napthalene (moth flakes) into the supers for a few weeks to kill any remaining moths? Can either of these be put in with new foundations to keep them from any damage until our bees arrive? Or maybe a bettere question would be, "Should you use moth crystals? and if so, When, where, how and for what purposes?" thank you for any information you can give us bill sheaffer From david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Tue Feb 28 11:38:30 EST 1995 Article: 1380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: david macfawn Subject: Re: beeswax production, alt.sustainable.agriculture Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:24:35 GMT Lines: 32 Both the American Bee Journal (Joe Graham is the editor) and Bee Culture (Kim Flottum editor) have information on honey production and beeswax for the US. There is a contact in the USDA who gathers this data...Lois Willett in the Ag Econ Department at Cornell in Ithica, N.Y. would know who to call in the USDA. So would Joe Graham and also Kim Flottum at Bee culture since the magazines get their data from the USDA. >==========M.A.M. Felt, 2/20/95========== > >Anyone know where I can get (international) figures on beeswax >production >and/or producers. Import/Export statistics etc.. > >If not on beeswax, perhaps on honey production, and then I can >contact the >honey producers. > >I tried using WAIS but didn't find anything. > >In other words I am looking for sources of beeswax. > >Please respond per e-mail. > >M.Felt > david macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-632-7409 From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Tue Feb 28 11:38:31 EST 1995 Article: 1381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:34:14 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ioepn$60k@gamera.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Pete (poyler@epix.net) wrote: : Hi! : We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well : infested with wax moths. We were wondering if, after cleaning the hives, : we could put paradichlorobenzene crystals or napthalene (moth flakes) into : the supers for a few weeks to kill any remaining moths? Can either of : these be put in with new foundations to keep them from any damage until : our bees arrive? Or maybe a bettere question would be, "Should you use : moth crystals? and if so, When, where, how and for what purposes?" : thank you for any information you can give us : bill sheaffer Don't use Napthalene! It's very toxic to the bees. Whether you use PDB depends on your current weather. If it is still freezing, you probably don't need it. Otherwise, use PDB and then air out the brood chambers for at least 24 hours before putting bees in them. Jerry From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Feb 28 11:38:32 EST 1995 Article: 1382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-5.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nuc box beekeeping- seek advice Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 03:30:11 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-5.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] My dad had a real bad year last year for apples and believes it was from a scarcity of bees. A full-size hive is not justified for his needs, and the neighbors probably wouldn't appreciate it, either. So a 4-frame nuc would probably be just right. He would also like to have the bees around throughout the summer to pollenate the garden crops. This is all for a very small yard with 1250 sq. foot garden and 5 apple trees in suburban Cleveland. Questions: 1. How quickly will the nuc fill up and get ready to swarm? Assume that we start the nuc in early April with feeding, in order to be ready for the apple blossom time in early May. 2. What would be the best swarm prevention method since adding supers would not be justified? Can we destroy brood periodically without any ill consequencs? Having even a small hive of angry bees would "disappoint" the neighbors. Any other answers to relevant questions I did not think of would be appreciated. Dave From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 28 11:38:33 EST 1995 Article: 1383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:40:00 GMT Message-ID: <950225192612941@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 153 ---------------------------------------- originally in conference LM-BEE-ListB on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) ---------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:58:53 -1000 From: Kevin Roddy Subject: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L 25 February 1995 >From the volcanic Island of Hawai'i to list members of Bee-L and other beekeepers around the world, Aloha: We in Hawai'i need your support in helping us maintain mite free and disease free honey bees. Please read the letter below that was composed by one of the Island of Hawai'i's best known beekeepers, Walter Patton, summarizing our problem and what has happened thus far. This letter also appeared in the February 1995 Issue of American Bee Journal. We *sincerely* need your help--comments, questions are most welcome at my e-mail address, and I will forward to Walter, or you may fax him directly. (we're working on getting Walter on the Internet) If you would like to fax Walter, please do. Telephone calls from the US Mainland to Hawai'i are competitive, and it is not prohibitive, like it was in the past. Direct-dialed rates average from 30 cents per minute for the day rate to 15 cents per minute for the night rate, so faxing is more economical than sending letters for 32 cents per letter. Quickly, I am sure many of you know the problems that Hawai'i has faced with unwanted, introduced diseases and species in the past. On a human scale, Native Hawaiians were decimated by disease to which they had no resistance. Only one full-blooded Hawaiian has survived for 19 others that have died. We are fighting what has been introduced intentionally and unintentionally with limited success. Our bees are free of mites and other diseases that have decimated colonies in other places. We want to keep it that way for us as well as you. In the letter below there is a proposal that Hawai'i be designated as a repository for genetic bee stock. Because of our distance from the US mainland there is little fear of Africanization problems, and fortunately, Varroa cannot swim! As a brief aside, we are also in constant fear of the introduction of the infamous brown tree snake of Guam, which has *killed all bird life on Guam* and is the source of constant power failures there, as the snakes shimmy up power poles, and are electrocuted. There have been sightings of this snake at airports only on the islands of Kaua'i and O'ahu, and they were quickly dispatched. Anyway, please help us any way that you can. I have included fax numbers to three Federal politicians in Washington. Their hearing from beekeepers across the United States that oppose this new rule will be vital to our keeping Hawai'i 's honey bee stores clean from disease, insuring clean queens to you until we can all eliminate Varroa and other bee afflictions. I am a university librarian by profession, and have already conducted an extensive literature search on New Zealand honey bee diseases (through the DIALOG database system) and collected well over 50 articles that discuss honey bee diseases in New Zealand, which I have forwarded to Agriculture Professors at the Univesity of Hawai'i, Hilo, and to members of the Big Island Beekeeping Association. A warmfelt thank you to all!!! Kevin M. Roddy kroddy@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A PROPOSED RULE CHANGE OF THE HONEY BEE ACT OF 1922 TO ALLOW NEW ZEALAND BEES INTO THE UNITED STATES. This proposed rule, as published in the Federal Register (7/18/94 page 36773) is deceitful and misleading in the first paragraph summary where the Animal and Health Inspection Service of the USDA states, "The proposed actions appears warranted based on our determination that New Zealand is free of diseases and parasites of honey bees." This is a lie. As per "Honey Bee Pathology" (Bailey and Ball, 1991) New Zealand does have half moon syndrome, a mite Meiitiphis alvearius, Kashmir bee virus, melanosis, chronic paralysis virus, and Malpighamoria mellificae. This fraudulent statement was made to enlist the support of readers of the proposed rule and now creates cause for concern regarding the credibility and intentions of APHIS/USDA. The proposed rule is not for the benefit of US beekeepers; this is a political issue in the name of free trade to facilitate the New Zealand beekeepers efforts to supply the package and queen bee needs of Canada and possibly Korea. Before the 1988 closure of Canadian borders to US bees, Canadians spent $12 million annually purchasing over 300,000 packages of US bees per year. A USDA 1993 legal opinion of the Honey Bee Act of 1922 prohibits the transiting of New Zealand bees through Honolulu, O'ahu. In a telephone conversation with Mark Winston, professor and bee researcher at Simon Fraser University, Canada, the scientific and biological soundness of keeping Hawai'i isolated as a protected gene bank was agreed upon and Mark wondered if the New Zealand bees could be transited through Los Angeles. Next I called Gordon Waller, queen breeder and researcher from Tucson, who is packing to move out of Arizona and away from Africanized honey bee drones that are threatening his queen bee program. Mr. Waller also supported the idea of keeping Hawaii isolated as a breeding sanctuary protected against any possible genetic contamination of Africanized honey bees. At Gordon Waller's suggestion, I telephoned Dr. Eva Crane in the United Kingdom. Dr. Crane, now retired, has studied the spread of bee diseases and pests around the world and said she would question and oppose any legislation to increase the trafficking of bees around the world. Dr. Crane then put me in touch with Dr. Brenda Ball in England who took great issue with Dr. Shimanuki's dismissal of Kashmir Bee Virus as having no economic significance and his lack of concern about half moon syndrome because he was unable to discover how the syndrome is spread through the hive. Dr. Ball also expressed concern about the lack of understanding about the compounding effects of bee pests and diseases when multiple infestations occur in the hive simultaneously. Dr. Ball agreed that Hawai'i could play a VITAL ROLE in the future of honey bees of the world if Hawai'i maintained a strict isolation and is established as a "Repository" for US bees free of mites and genetic contamination by AHB. The proposed rule is not in the best interests of US beekeepers and should be rescinded by the USDA. Unbiased review and research directed by a "peer review" group including members of the beekeeping industry must be conducted to survey and assess the potential environmental impact that any deviation from the intent of the Honey Bee Act of 1922 would have on US beekeeping. Act now, and call or write your US Senators and Congressmen (helpful numbers are given below) and request that the Honey Bee Act of 1922 be supported and that New Zealand bees not be allowed into the US. Additionally, federal legislation is needed to support the efforts of Hawai'i to act as a repository for the cleanest US honey bee gene bank as a safeguard against the future spread of known bee diseases and pests and the unknown effects of temperate New Zealand bee disease and pests on honey bees in the tropical environment of Hawai'i. Please *bee* involved. We might make a difference is enough of us speak out now. this is not a done deal. Handwritten letters are better than no letters. Write today. if you need me to fax for you, I will be glad to help. Walter Patton 27-703 Kaieie Road Papaikou, Hawai'i 96781 Ph/FAX: 808-964-5401 FAX FEDERAL LEGISLATORS! US Senator Richard Lugar, likely Chairman US Senate Committee on Agriculture FAX 202.228.0360 Congressman Pat Roberts, Chairman, Congressional Committee on Agriculture FAX 202.225.5375 (Continued to next message) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Feb 28 11:38:34 EST 1995 Article: 1384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:40:00 GMT Message-ID: <950225192612942@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 5 (Continued from previous message) Congressman Tom Ewing Chairman, Risk Management and Specialty Crops (includes honey and bees) FAX 202.225.8071 From mary_songster_alpin@ncsu.edu Tue Feb 28 11:38:35 EST 1995 Article: 1385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!ncsu.edu!mary_songster_alpin From: mary_songster_alpin@ncsu.edu (Mary Songster-Alpin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco vs Wood Smoke? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:26:27 Organization: College of Veterinary Medicine Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mpppc23.pylon.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] >I am a University of Guelph student, and am considering doing a project >this summer on the effects of Tobacco vs. Wood smoke on bee loss while >moving hives. Does anyone out there have any practical experience with >using Tobacco smoke with bees, or any ideas of where I can find some >information? >Any comments would be appreciated. >e-mail scolenut@uoguelph.ca Sandra, The niccotine in tobacco smoke is a highly toxic insecticide. You may want to try comparing the effects of various types of wood instead. Jim Alpin (on my wife's internet account) Mary S. Songster-Alpin Mary_Songster_Alpin@ncsu.edu Dept of Micro., Path., and Parasit. North Carolina State University College of Veterinary Medicine 4700 Hillsborough St. Raleigh, NC 27606 I form my own opinions, not NCSU's. From avellani@unixg.ubc.ca Tue Feb 28 11:38:36 EST 1995 Article: 1386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.cic.net!infoserv.illinois.net!news.mci.net!darwin.sura.net!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!avellani From: avellani@unixg.ubc.ca (vellani) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: distribution channels for freeze dried honey bee venom? Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:48:39 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3iioqn$hr3@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Could anyone help me with this. Specifically, where would one market freeze dried honey bee venom? Thanks a lot!!! From dnewton@interserv.com Tue Feb 28 11:38:38 EST 1995 Article: 1387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goclenius.rutgers.edu!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!usenet From: dnewton@interserv.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where is Bee Home Page Date: 24 Feb 1995 05:27:03 GMT Organization: NovX InterServ News Service Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ijqn7$4ob@data.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: isv1004431.interserv.dialup.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) I would like to know the URL for the beekeeping home page? e-mail me at dnewton@interserv.com. Thanks and keep those bees humming. From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Tue Feb 28 11:38:39 EST 1995 Article: 1388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!line16.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: 26 Feb 1995 17:00:32 GMT Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line16.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ In article , poyler@epix.net (Pete) wrote: > Hi! > > We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well > infested with wax moths. We were wondering if, after cleaning the hives, > we could put paradichlorobenzene crystals or napthalene (moth flakes) into > the supers for a few weeks to kill any remaining moths? Can either of > these be put in with new foundations to keep them from any damage until > our bees arrive? Or maybe a bettere question would be, "Should you use > moth crystals? and if so, When, where, how and for what purposes?" > > thank you for any information you can give us > > bill sheaffer DO NOT USE NAPTHALENE, USE THE PARADICHLOROBENZENE ONLY. and if at all possible, keep the hives in a cold place. On the other hand, why not switch to plastic foundation, such as Pierco, available from 1-800-233-2662, or Dadant sells a competitive product,See the American Bee Journal, current issue for plastic foundation and a good article on moths and protection procedures. Moths can't cause any damage to plastic foundation, and if you use the sheets of plastic, they will likely just snap into you old cleaned up frames. The use of napthalene could ruin your hives as it stays in the wax, but when using the PDB, you must air out the supers for a day before putting them on the hives, and this gives moths a chance to get started. If you insist on using wax foundation, keeping the hives cood, like below 50 degree F should probably eliminate problesm. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Tue Feb 28 11:38:40 EST 1995 Article: 1389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3ioepn$60k@gamera.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:26:15 GMT Lines: 30 : : We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well : : infested with wax moths. We were wondering if, after cleaning the hives, : : we could put paradichlorobenzene crystals or napthalene (moth flakes) into : : the supers for a few weeks to kill any remaining moths? Can either of : : these be put in with new foundations to keep them from any damage until : : our bees arrive? Or maybe a bettere question would be, "Should you use : : moth crystals? and if so, When, where, how and for what purposes?" Depending how bad they are, you may be able to use them as they are. Wax moth often looks much worse than it is. Unless the combs have obvious large holes and you can see through them all over, the bees will often just fix them right up. To destroy the moths that are in them, just exposing them continuously to air in most localities will kill or sufficiently retard them that your problem will go away. There must be no protected places for the worms to hide. They may look awfull, but may still be much better than foundation. Are they free of AFB? Can you tell. AFB doesn't look half as bad as moth, but is something that will render a comb useless. Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Virtual Art Gallery: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From libby@igc.apc.org Wed Mar 1 09:52:23 EST 1995 Article: 1390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!libby From: Libby Goldstein Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Land of Milk & Honey Message-ID: References: <3657535889@beenet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 12 Hi Andy, I can't believe it's been a whole year. Did you ever get the copy of Green Scene I sent you? Re BGH: if a farmer wants to put it in his cows, that's clearly up to the farmer. I don't have to drink milk from that farm tho, and I prob'ly wont. Happy Spring, Libby From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:25 EST 1995 Article: 1391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is Honey always Honey? Date: 27 Feb 1995 03:18:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3irgaf$fto@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3if41u$3ai@eldborg.rhi.hi.is> <3ikvgs$997@polo.iquest.com> <3im87i$aj7@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ird47$ngm@polo.iquest.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu rec.food.cooking:122780 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1391 In article <3ird47$ngm@polo.iquest.com>, Elizabeth P. Crowe wrote: >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >> >> In article <3ikvgs$997@polo.iquest.com>, >> Elizabeth P. Crowe wrote: >> > >> >Indeed, the very SAFETY of the honey is affected. Honey made from >> >rhododendron, azalea, and other members of that family is poisonous. >> >This is why you have to be careful about buying roadside honey. >> >> I hate to pop your bubble, but nobody would ever get enough honey from these >> plants to sell. The main nectar source plants flower at exactly the same >> time as these plants you are describing. Basically you heard or read >> somewhere that this was a problem and you are disseminating this incorrect >> information. Check first. >> Adam > Go to http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap44.html and read. I did, thanks for the great URL. From what I read, employing the perspective of a layperson, I would agree that buying honey might be be hazardous. From a position in the apicultural world however, I still stand by what I said. If this *were* a problem, states and universities would be dealing with/studying this, and they aren't. Don't you think there would be warnings about this "danger" from States' Dept.of Agricultures to the Honey consumer, along with guidelines and testing for the beekeeper/honey producer? However, I've crossposted this to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Both commercial and hobby beekeepers contribute there. Let's see what they say. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From bsheaff@epix.net Wed Mar 1 09:52:27 EST 1995 Article: 1392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!grape.epix.net!lwbyppp9.epix.net!user From: bsheaff@epix.net (Bill Sheaffer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:55:15 -0500 Organization: Home Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3ioepn$60k@gamera.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lwbyppp9.epix.net We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well infested with wax moths.... Thanks for all of the information on the killing of wax moths. They were bad. There were no foundations left, except for one plastic foundation. We cleaned all of the frames and scrubbed them with soap and water. We then used a torch and heated the inside of the hives until the wax began to melt. Our next move is probably to put in some paradichlorobenzene until our bees arrive. But with one dragon slain, so quickly others arrive in its place. What is AFB???????? And other than wax moths and durability, of what value is plastic foundation? I would think that the comb does not bond quite as well as it would to a natural comb. I apologize for being a newbie-I'm trying to stop as fast as I can. Thanks, Bill Sheaffer -- _________________________________________________________ | | | Bill Sheaffer | | | | "Wasting time creatively is my life's ambition" | | | | Temple U. | | Millersburg H.S. | | Millersburg Ferryboat | | Harrisburg Astronomical Soc. | | ________________________ | | | | | | | [] [] [] [] | \ / | | | |----+--- | |---------|______________________|---/ \----------------| From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 09:52:29 EST 1995 Article: 1393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: 27 Feb 1995 11:56:05 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3isekl$dl1@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: <950218074024902@beenet.com> <3i6fs6$2dv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article <3i6fs6$2dv@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: ... >Andy: please tell us what this means. There are two puzzles about this message. The first is what MT stands for. I think it means metric tonne. 1 metric tonne = 1000 kilograms. The prices are reasonable. The second is why the poster thinks we want to know the prices per metric tonne of Chinese honey, US chicken, or Mongolian beef. What we really want to know is the price per cubic mile! :-) -Norman From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 1 09:52:31 EST 1995 Article: 1394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Land of Milk & Honey Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 06:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <950227074023949@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 70 |-----------------|Libby Goldstein refer#: None wrote: >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: Land of Milk & Honey >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:35:31 -0800 (PST) > >I can't believe it's been a whole year. Did you ever get the copy >of Green Scene I sent you? > >Re BGH: if a farmer wants to put it in his cows, that's clearly up >to the farmer. I don't have to drink milk from that farm tho, and >I prob'ly wont. |----end quotes---------------------------------| Hello Libby, Must be near spring and you are coming out from hibernation. Yes, thanks, I did get the issue of Green Scene, VERY WELL DONE, now I know what happened to all the good farm magazines, they moved to the city along with the farm kids. I don't think you will see much BGH as feed is to high, and for it to work you got to pore the feed to the cows. Would be nice if someone had a yard full of over fat cows. Anyway things in the diary industry are not that good and we will be seeing some real reductions in the future if the economics don't change. The day may come when more of our milk will come from off shore, like so much of our honey does. People really don't care as long as its cheep and they can get it when they want it. Heck, the milk you buy at the store today is still better then what I juiced out of my cow when I was a kid. But nobody milks beef cows anyway. My old cow, Daisy, was a cross breed, more Hereford then anything else, she was special and produced many twin calves, always named Pete and Repeat. Repeat was a girl cow, but I never got attached to these pets as we always ate them in time. Daisy the real pet, some who did not know her said pest, anyway, she allowed us kids to ride her like a horse. And if you could catch her lying down she made a wonderful warm place to rest on and watch the clouds blowing by during a early warm spring afternoon, full of sea birds many miles inland from the angry seas or just hawks and buzzards riding the thermals to new heights. Open range was being replaced by homes and fences, but Daisy knew no fence that kept her from better grass on the far side. She could clear a normal fence and would just as soon jump one as go through it. Never once had to take her to a bull, when it was time she just left and a day or so later some neighbor would bring her home, saying he did not know how she got in his bull pasture but she did. As the city folk moved to the country in her last year at home she took a wrong turn and pastured the grass and flowers from the back yards of many new city folk neighbors in one of those new fan dangled golf course subdivisions, once the neighbors pun'kin patch and flower seed gardens. About the 2nd or 3rd time my dad decided it was time to return her to the freedom of the heard many miles back in the hills and my days as a dairy maid were over for good. You know that little callas on the top of my thumb, the sign of a good Swiss milker, that I was so proud of is also gone or reduced to just another age spot. Heck even then we knew we could buy milk and beef cheeper then we could raise it, but it was good training for kids, kind'a like Army, up at dawn, down at dark and your reward is a good nights sleep. Darn thats sounds like the bee business to me. Well, welcome back, what was it a boy or girl?, anyway looking forward to some of your good posts from the inter city wild lands. ttul Andy- From pollinator@aol.com Wed Mar 1 09:52:32 EST 1995 Article: 1395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: 27 Feb 1995 09:56:27 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 83 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3isp6r$8a3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com >From bsheaff@epix.net (Bill Sheaffer): > We picked up some old hives from a relative and they were pretty well infested with wax moths.... > Thanks for all of the information on the killing of wax moths. They were bad. There were no foundations left, except for one plastic foundation. We cleaned all of the frames and scrubbed them with soap and water. We then used a torch and heated the inside of the hives until the wax began to melt. Our next move is probably to put in some paradichlorobenzene until our bees arrive. > But with one dragon slain, so quickly others arrive in its place. > What is AFB???????? > And other than wax moths and durability, of what value is plastic foundation? I would think that the comb does not bond quite as well as it would to a natural comb. > I apologize for being a newbie-I'm trying to stop as fast as I can. The (lots of) good news and (a little) bad news for you. The good news is that you don't have to worry about wax worms in the winter, unless you store your equipment in a warm spot and there have been some surviving eggs. Eggs just simply won't hatch without warmth. At any rate, it sounds like they have already eaten all consumable material, so if they did hatch, they'd probably starve. Even here in South Carolina we have little wax worm activity in winter. (The exception is when they get started on a fall dieout and get a lot in insulation from their own webbing. They will then continue munching slowly in an insulated group that creates its own heat, and it takes a real cold spell to kill them.) Therefore you don't really need any chemical for wax worms at this time. More good news: Even if the hives did die of American foulbrood (AFB), the wax worms have removed most of the contamination. The majority of the spores (zillions of them) are in the dead larvae (scale) that remains in the bottoms of the cells. This is preferred food for wax worms so they tend to have a cleansing effect. I think this is why foulbrood is quite rare in wild bees in the south. The wax worms clean it up so quickly that it has only a short chance to reinfect other bees. One caveat: AFB spores are everywhere, and it is still possible that some have survived in your used equipment as well. Be sure that you use terramycin as recommended in the hives when you restock them. Then check them carefully in 4-6 weeks to see if there is any breakdown. If you don't know how, get your bee inspector to show you. You probably won't have any trouble, but if you should, nip it in the bud, quickly, before it spreads. The plastic foundation others refer to is probably already formed with the shape of the honeycomb. I have some of this that is four years old, and the bees have yet to use it. You have to have a whale of a flow for the bees to start into it. They just don't like plastic. What you describe sounds like the thin smooth plastic that is at the base of Duragilt or Duracomb foundation. The pattern of the cells is not embossed in the plastic, but is in the wax (which the wax worms ate). If that is it, simply take it out, and replace it with a new sheet. The bees will never rebuild on bare plastic, no matter how much you encourage them. They will build little bridges and make a new comb alongside the plastic. I use some wired foundation, as it is no doubt the best possible frame of brood comb there is, but mostly use Duragilt, as it just takes too much time to wire frames. If it becomes damaged, it is easy to pop out the old, clean up the grooves, and pop in a new sheet. Since you're a newbie, I'd encourage you to work into more conventional materials (ie regular wired or Duragilt foundation), then, experiment with the preformed plastic ones after you have learned the ropes. They haven't worked for me yet, but the theoretical benefits keep encouraging me to experiment. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:33 EST 1995 Article: 1396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: URL for Beekeepers' Home Page Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:10:25 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <173529D21S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Keywords: URL Beekeepers' Home Page http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html From bsheaff@epix.net Fri Mar 3 21:42:12 EST 1995 Article: 1397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!grape.epix.net!lwbyppp2.epix.net!user From: bsheaff@epix.net (Bill Sheaffer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I Start? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:44:26 -0500 Organization: Home Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lwbyppp2.epix.net In article , hjm@ohxs02.att.com wrote: if this hobby is more high maintenance than I'm > ready to accept... I know with roses, we figure about 1 hour per plant per year. Is there a similar estimate for bees/hives? I am debating starting with 1 hive or maybe 2 or three. If I could get an idea as to how much time is involved a hive, I could figure out how many start. That may sound like a strange 'newbie' question but my partner and I have access to probably 6 or 7 hives. Bill -- _________________________________________________________ | | | Bill Sheaffer | | | | "Wasting time creatively is my life's ambition" | | | | Temple U. | | Millersburg H.S. | | Millersburg Ferryboat | | Harrisburg Astronomical Soc. | | ________________________ | | | | | | | [] [] [] [] | \ / | | | |----+--- | |---------|______________________|---/ \----------------| From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:14 EST 1995 Article: 1398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:39:52 -0500 From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Message-ID: References: <115@kiwifruit.win-u Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 13 In article <3ia7q0$hhr@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > Maybe as beekeepers, we shouldn't overreact to the Peta stuff? > Who really cares what they think right? > Adam Unfortunately the PETA folks care about what _you_ think, and they're one of these groups that'll kill you if you don't agree with them. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Mar 3 21:42:15 EST 1995 Article: 1399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuc box beekeeping- seek advice Date: 28 Feb 1995 21:20:24 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3j042p$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] David M. Stamper (dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : My dad had a real bad year last year for apples and believes it was from a : scarcity of bees. A full-size hive is not justified for his needs, and the : neighbors probably wouldn't appreciate it, either. So a 4-frame nuc would : probably be just right. He would also like to have the bees around through : out the summer to pollenate ... : Any other answers to relevant questions I did not think of would be : appreciated. : Dave I would be concerned that a nuc was large enough to survive the winter in Ohio. In order to provide sufficient stores and room for brood rearing in MD requires at least 1-1/2 to 2 full size brood chambers. . Brood rearing must occur in early spring in order to provide replacement for the old bees that make it thru the winter. Usually the best solution to suburban back yards is to provide a screen forcing the bees up at the property line so they are not at people level; providing a source of water so the bees don't use the neighbors pool and an occasional jar of honey to next door neighbors. Also you need to point out to neighbors the benefits of pollination not just of vegetables but also flowers of all kinds! Jerry From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:16 EST 1995 Article: 1400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:24:00 GMT Message-ID: <950227170154954@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 25 |-----------------|Nrp@st-Andrews.Ac.Uk (norman R. Paterson)refer#: None wrote: >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef >Date: 27 Feb 1995 11:56:05 GMT > >There are two puzzles about this message. > >The first is what MT stands for. I think it means metric tonne. >1 metric tonne = 1000 kilograms. The prices are reasonable. > >The second is why the poster thinks we want to know the prices per >metric tonne of Chinese honey, US chicken, or Mongolian beef. |----end quotes---------------------------------| Hello Norman, I sometimes forget that this is an international news group and others may not be interested in what a few US beekeepers may be interested in. Sorry about that. What are you interested in or whats going on in the UK with the bees? ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:17 EST 1995 Article: 1401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEW! Ag&Environment Mailing List: agenvir-l Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <950227170154955@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 48 agenvir-l : A new mailing list for the discussion of environmental issues in the agricultural Sciences ----------------------------------------------------- Hi! First, I hope that you'll forgive my cross-posting; I wanted this to reach as wide an audience as possible. Please distribute this message freely. I have just established a new mailing list called agenvir-l. The purpose of this list is to discuss environmental issues in the agricultural sciences. This could include debate/discussion about: - Alternative cropping systems - Organic farming - Animal Agriculture - Vegetarianism - Sustainability Issues - Anything else that you decide is appropriate This mailing list can be whatever you would like to make of it; I will not moderate the list unless there is an overwhelming desire for that. Moreover, this list is open to anyone who is interested. I'm hoping to attract a wide variety of people; the real strength of the list will lie in having people with various backgrounds come together for these discussions. Both idealists and pragmatists are welcome, as are people of varying experience levels; I truly feel that everybody has something to contribute. Sound interesting? To subscribe, send mail to majordomo@pentagon.io.com with the message 'subscribe agenvir-l' (excluding the quotes) as the body of your message. I also have a WWW front end for subscribing which can be accessed with your favorite forms-capable browser at: http://www.io.com/user/btorres/subscribe.html If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at btorres@io.com. Thanks! Bob Torres ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,., Bob Torres | NewtNews & agenvir-l mailing list admin. btorres@netcom.com | To subscribe/get info, contact me or: rxt109@email.psu.edu | http://www.io.com/~btorres/subscribe.html ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,., From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Mar 3 21:42:18 EST 1995 Article: 1402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Date: 28 Feb 1995 22:22:07 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3j07mf$33c@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <115@kiwifruit.win-u <3j03dh$904@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3j03dh$904@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, Jordan Schwartz wrote: >I would be very surprised if you could come up with even a single example >of PETA killing somebody for not agreeing with them. Let's make that >killing anyone at all. > No. This is true. But they might have you read their guidelines over and over till you got really annoyed though. :) Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From 76012.1452@CompuServe.COM Fri Mar 3 21:42:19 EST 1995 Article: 1403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: TOM LEWIS <76012.1452@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ARCTIC BEEKEEPING Date: 28 Feb 1995 02:10:21 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3iu0md$1ch$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> QUIT charles tuckey - Those are great questions, Im afraid I dont have many answers. I was in the Yukon Territory for several summers, and my story about feeding bees and brood to cattle above the arctic circle was second hand at the time. I would guess the bees came from european settlers rather than the intuit. I have however seen th the bees work all 24 hrs! since their polarized navigation never shuts down neither do the bees. As for nectar sources, I think there is an abundance of bloom for the short season. pollination did not factor into the discussions I had. Hope this helps, maybe we can get someone with more first hand experience. tom lewis From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 21:42:21 EST 1995 Article: 1404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: Should I Start? References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 23 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: <794009878snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article hjm@ohxs02.att.com "George Stoneberg" writes: > difference in the amount of free time I have for hobbies. I was hoping that > the bees would do their thing without my interference or help. That may not > be the case. How much work would I be taking on? It all depends.. doesn't it always. I reckon that as an enthusiastic beginner you need to allow _at_least_ a half hour per colony per week. There's nowhere near that much work -- bees are just so fascinating. The 'pros' get it down to about three minutes but look at what they're missing! Enjoy, regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Mar 3 21:42:22 EST 1995 Article: 1405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip6-15.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nuc box beekeeping- (still) seek advice Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:02:59 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3j042p$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip6-15.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) writes: >David M. Stamper (dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: >: My dad had a real bad year last year for apples and believes it was from a >: scarcity of bees. A full-size hive is not justified for his needs, and the >: neighbors probably wouldn't appreciate it, either. So a 4-frame nuc would >: probably be just right. He would also like to have the bees around through >: out the summer to pollenate ... >: Any other answers to relevant questions I did not think of would be >: appreciated. >: Dave >I would be concerned that a nuc was large enough to survive the winter in >Ohio. In order to provide sufficient stores and room for brood rearing in >MD requires at least 1-1/2 to 2 full size brood chambers. from using either a shallow or illinois super for stores>. Brood rearing >must occur in early spring in order to provide replacement for the old >bees that make it thru the winter. > Usually the best solution to suburban back yards is to provide a >screen forcing the bees up at the property line so they are not at people >level; providing a source of water so the bees don't use the neighbors >pool and an occasional jar of honey to next door neighbors. Also you need >to point out to neighbors the benefits of pollination not just of >vegetables but also flowers of all kinds! > Jerry Hi Jerry. As much as I appreciate your advice concerning full-size hives, it does not help, as the only option here is a nuc colony. It does not matter whether the bees survive the winter, and the flight path of the bees is not at issue either. This colony is only going to be necessary for pollination of a few trees. A large (normal) sized colony is not an option. I need to know how to anticipate swarming and prevent it in a nuc-sized colony. Thanks, Dave From meaderyman@delphi.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:23 EST 1995 Article: 1406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: distribution channels for freeze dried honey bee venom? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 20:15:51 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3iioqn$hr3@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1a.delphi.com X-To: vellani vellani writes: >Could anyone help me with this. Specifically, where would one market >freeze dried honey bee venom? > >Thanks a lot!!! I believe the only market in the U.S. would be the pharmaceutical companies that provide venom to the allergists who use it to desensitize people highly allergic to bee venom. I don't know if they would want to buyy any from Russia, china, or Eastern Europ e, all areas where it is used on a much broader medicinal basis and where most of it is oriinating. I would certainly not want to be injected with bee venom from an area where hygiene is not of great concern. If there were a good market for it here, american beekeepers will fill the market. From hjm@ohxs02.att.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:26 EST 1995 Article: 1407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!news From: hjm@ohxs02.att.com (George Stoneberg) Subject: Should I Start? Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: ohxs02.oh.att.com Reply-To: hjm@ohxs02.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:45:20 GMT Lines: 18 I've been reading this newsgroup for a few weeks as I have always thought it would be fun to have a bee-hive. Honey-comb on toast is one of lifes great pleasures. Until recently, bees were not an option as I lived in the suburbs on a half acre lot. However, a job transfer has landed me on an acreage (21 acres) with a pond and an orchard of about a dozen fruit trees in the country (Eastern Nebraska). However, all the recent talk of AFB and wax moths has made me wonder if this hobby is more high maintenance than I'm ready to accept. The upkeep on the new place is already making a huge difference in the amount of free time I have for hobbies. I was hoping that the bees would do their thing without my interference or help. That may not be the case. How much work would I be taking on? I'd rather not start than get into it and not be able to handle it. I'm sorry if there's a FAQ that handles questions like this, I must have missed it. George Stoneberg gks@ohgua.att.com From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Fri Mar 3 21:42:27 EST 1995 Article: 1408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco vs Wood Smoke? Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:47:31 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz In article , mary_songster_alpin@ncsu.edu (Mary Songster-Alpin) wrote: > The niccotine in tobacco smoke is a highly toxic insecticide. You may want to I (and, I think, a lot of Dutch beekeepers) use tobacco instead of wood or paper smoke. It does not kill bees, to the best of my knowledge. (You can buy tobacco sweepings from Dutch bee supply places). Tobacco is easier to get lit and the smokers are certainly smaller. _______________________________________________ Owen Watson, The Royal Society of New Zealand Web server: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ From alex@longton.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 21:42:28 EST 1995 Article: 1409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: alex@longton.demon.co.uk ("T. Alex. Shaw.") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!longton.demon.co.uk!alex Subject: Re: Should I Start? References: Organization: home in Stoke on Trent UK Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 24 X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:18:22 +0000 Message-ID: <519457787wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk I don't think there is an answer to the question of where to keep bees and how long does it take. I had a friend who kept bees in a large town. There were lots of keen gardeners in the area who planted for something to be in flower thoughout the year and whilst those beekeepers in the countryside were dependant upon the weather being fine at the time of the greatest honey flow his bees worked throughout the season - he always did better than other local beekeepers. One year he was quite ill and spent spring and summer in hospital. Guess what? That year he did even better. You have got to check the health of your hives at least 2 or 3 times a year for the sake of other beekeepers in the area but other than that its up to you how much time you spend at your hives. -- AleX. From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Mar 3 21:42:30 EST 1995 Article: 1410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tobacco vs Wood Smoke? Date: 28 Feb 1995 09:14:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3iupi3$cfc@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3ii5ca$de5@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Sandra C Colenutt (scolenut@uoguelph.ca) wrote: : I am a University of Guelph student, and am considering doing a project : this summer on the effects of Tobacco vs. Wood smoke on bee loss while : moving hives. Does anyone out there have any practical experience with : using Tobacco smoke with bees, or any ideas of where I can find some : information? : Any comments would be appreciated. Just out of curiousity, what/why do you expect to get a difference in losses by using different smoke while moving hives? If you move them at night (or at least seal them up then, when the foragers have all returned) you won't even be using smoke - except to drive them in before sealing... Anyway, I have read that tobacco can be used as a smoker fuel, though I wasn't able to find a reference for you now. The Hive and the Honey Bee does list nicotine as an insecticide that can be used around bees with a minimum of injury. It lists the LD50 as being above 11.0 micrograms per bee. By way of comparison, malathion is listed at .726, and bifenthrin (registered under the tradenames Brigade, Capture) is listed at .016. THese figures are for exposures resulting from application outside of the hive (e.g., exposures resulting from visits to treated alfalfa). The data for toxics exposures within hives does not include nicotine. Incidentally, does anyone know if varroa mites are susceptible to nicotine? I've been wondering about this for a few weeks and thought to bring it up now. Seems like it might be a bit safer than the current treatment (and think of the support we'd get from the tobacco industry!). Also, treatment consisting of more than one substance might be more effective and more difficult to acquire immunity to than a single-substance treatment (synergisms and all...). Fluvalinate's (active ingredient in Apistan) LD50 occurs at 8.78 micrograms. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:31 EST 1995 Article: 1411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee venom Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 03:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <950227234230959@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 20 originally in conference LM-BEE-ListB on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) ---------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:25:06 -0800 From: Scribilo_Darlene/stl_system6@SYSTEM6.LCS.GOV.BC.CA Subject: bee venom For those who posted inquiring on marketting bee venom, you may wish to contact Michael Simics at 204 - 1331 15th Ave. S.W., Calgary ,Alta., Canada T3C 0X8 Ph/Fax (403) 541-1877 He is presently the only active bee and vespid venom collector in North America His outstanding quality venoms are collected with third generation collector devices using the electric shock method to stimulate the bees to sting. The venom is used by medical practitioners,drug manufacturers, labs etc. Darlene dgscribi@system6.lcs.gov.bc.ca From jlks@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 3 21:42:32 EST 1995 Article: 1412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: PETA and bees. A response from an English "animal rights nazi" Date: 28 Feb 1995 21:09:05 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3j03dh$904@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <115@kiwifruit.win-u NNTP-Posting-Host: homer15.u.washington.edu mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) writes: >Unfortunately the PETA folks care about what _you_ think, and they're one >of these groups that'll kill you if you don't agree with them. (I promised myself I wouldn't get dragged into another one of these flame-bait threads, but Lord, You know I am weak) I would be very surprised if you could come up with even a single example of PETA killing somebody for not agreeing with them. Let's make that killing anyone at all. Just trying to clarify our terms... Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:33 EST 1995 Article: 1413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Neighbors and free honey Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:24:21 GMT Lines: 15 >>> and an occasional jar of honey to next door neighbors. I wish I had a dime for every time I read this! I be a very rich man. Instead it just brings back bad memories! I used to offer my neighbors a free jar of honey at the end of the season. I too thought it was the thing to do. However, I gave some honey to a neighbor, who said she didn't even know I had bees in the backyard. The following year she complained to the town board of health saying that the bees were a problem for the entire neighborhood. She even started a petition to ban beekeeping. Nothing ever amounted, other than having one extra free jar of honey to give away! From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Mar 3 21:42:35 EST 1995 Article: 1414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protection of Hawaii's honey bees Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <950228210853971@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 42 originally in conference LM-BEE-ListB on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) ---------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:32:29 -1000 From: "Thomas W. Culliney" Subject: Protection of Hawaii's honey bees Hawaii's three commercial queen breeders are not seeking a competitive advantage over beekeepers from New Zealand or from any other country. This issue is one of environmental protection. Hawaii is as protective of its environment (including its agriculture and apiculture) as is New Zealand (Hawaii state law bars entry of all honey bees, living or dead). The USDA has amended the honey bee regulations to permit transshipments of bees from New Zealand through the U.S., including Hawaii. The Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture is trying to make the best of a disagreeable situation. Recently, state Ag. personnel met with officials of New Zealand's Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries and the National Beekeepers' Association to review bee packaging procedures employed by NZ bee exporters. In general, it was seen that a great deal of care was taken to ensure that the packages would not allow any bees to escape in transit. The New Zealanders have taken all reasonable measures (incorporating some additional measures suggested by this department) to ensure the integrity of their shipments. This department will be monitoring passage of the shipments through Honolulu International Airport to make sure that no foreign bees enter Hawaii. We trust that there will be no problems, but are prepared to take actions to prevent any "leakage" of bees. =================================== Thomas W. Culliney Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture Division of Plant Industry 1428 South King Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96814 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Phone: (808) 973-9529 Facsimile: (808) 973-9533 E-mail: tcullin@hinc.hawaii.gov =================================== From geoff@butt.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 3 21:42:36 EST 1995 Article: 1415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk (geoff butt) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!utcsri!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!bt!btnet!peernews.demon.co.uk!butt.demon.co.uk!geoff Subject: Re: Should I Start? References: Organization: GTBT Network Reply-To: geoff@butt.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 40 X-Posting-Host: butt.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: <794019199snz@butt.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article bsheaff@epix.net "Bill Sheaffer" writes: > In article , hjm@ohxs02.att.com wrote: > > if this hobby is more high maintenance than I'm > > ready to accept... > > I know with roses, we figure about 1 hour per plant per year. Is there > a similar estimate for bees/hives? I am debating starting with 1 hive or > maybe 2 or three. If I could get an idea as to how much time is involved a > hive, I could figure out how many start. That may sound like a strange > 'newbie' question but my partner and I have access to probably 6 or 7 > hives. > Bill > Hello Bill I remember in the year I started keeping bees I had one hive for several months. Those poor bees must have thought their hive was opened up more often than closed. If you are new to the hobby you'll be wanting to observe the endless miracle of what goes on in your first hive, probably to the detrement of the colony, but greatly enriching your knowledge. I was bold enough to buy a second hive after a while, but then I found queen cells and by using the Cheshire method for swarm control ended up with three. Which brings me to my key point: as a new beekeeper with a few hives you will *always* be short of equipment! The number of times I worked late into the night to build another brood chamber or more supers...! If you have access to 6 hives I'd make sure only half of them had bees in to start with. We are having an amazingly mild winter this year in the Uk. The bees were flying vigorously today piling quantities of pollen into the hives from a wealth of unseasonal flowerings. But then; every year you learn something new. Whatever else you do - get started! Best wishes - Geoff -- geoff butt geoff@butt.demon.co.uk From ted@dme.nt.gov.au Fri Mar 3 21:42:37 EST 1995 Article: 1416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!pellew.ntu.edu.au!dewey!ted From: ted@dme.nt.gov.au (Ted Findhammer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: scottish heather honey Date: 3 Mar 1995 05:23:00 GMT Organization: Northern Territory Department of Mines & Energy Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3j693k$6vo@pellew.ntu.edu.au> Reply-To: ted@dme.nt.gov.au NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.dme.nt.gov.au Hello everyone, I apologise for the following, because it does not really belong here, but I do not know where else to ask. Australia does not have heather, and thus not what is-to my taste-the most beautiful honey in the world: heather honey. I know it from home (Holland) and Germany. In both countries it is becoming rare, and very expensive. Australia prefers to import from the UK. Scotland has wonderful expanses of heather. Is there Scottish heather honey, and is it exported to Australia? Any info will be much appreciated. Ted Findhammer ted@dme.nt.gov.au From inquire@ripco.com Sun Mar 5 16:33:17 EST 1995 Article: 1417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.aquaria,sci.archaeology.mesoamerican Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!inquire From: inquire@ripco.com (Resampling Stats) Subject: Papers on resampling wanted Message-ID: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 03:30:21 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1417 sci.anthropology.paleo:2565 sci.aquaria:11892 sci.archaeology.mesoamerican:1135 Have you written any papers in your field applying the bootstrap or other resampling methods of statistical inference to your data? If so, we would like to make them available to researchers and teachers through our Web site (also Gopher and FTP) devoted to resampling methods, software and pedagogy. Please contact inquire@ripco.com for more information. Peter Bruce, Resampling Project, University of Maryland From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Sun Mar 5 16:33:18 EST 1995 Article: 1418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Should I Start? Date: 28 Feb 1995 21:35:35 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3j04v7$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> References: <519457787wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] T. Alex. Shaw. (alex@longton.demon.co.uk) wrote: : I don't think there is an answer to the question of where to keep bees and : how long does it take. : I had a friend who kept bees in a large town. There were lots of keen : gardeners in the area who planted for something to be in flower thoughout : the year and whilst those beekeepers in the countryside were dependant upon : the weather being fine at the time of the greatest honey flow his bees : worked throughout the season - he always did better than other local : beekeepers. : One year he was quite ill and spent spring and summer in hospital. Guess : what? That year he did even better. : You have got to check the health of your hives at least 2 or 3 times a year : for the sake of other beekeepers in the area but other than that its up to : you how much time you spend at your hives. : -- : AleX. Hate to disagree with you Alex, but in the US recently, those who do not manage their bees do not keep bees very long! Years ago, before the mites, we got away without tending our bees so much. With both trachael and Varroa mites, without managing to control them, losses have been very high. Resistance has not developed well enough not to treat. Therefore, we spend more time on the bees than even 5 yrs. ago. One hive or 10, if they are at a distance from home, you have to schedule the time and make the trip. I have 3 out-apiaries and the time spent getting to the smaller one doesn't seem to matter as much as the time to get to them. Depending on how quickly you can make an examination of brood, etc. assume 1/2 hour per hive per ev two weeks in mild weather, once a month in winter. figure on requeening every year or two. Add time for adding supers, removing and extracting honey. Winter time needs to be set aside for repairing equipment ( replacing old combs with new foundation,repairing supres,brood chambers,etc.) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Mar 5 16:33:19 EST 1995 Article: 1419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 03:42:00 GMT Message-ID: <950227234231960@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 103 ---------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:00 -0800 From: "Paul van Westendorp 576-5600 Fax: 576-5652" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FLEXINET FOR CRITTERS - NEW ON THE MARKET Date: 28 Feb 1995 10:36:18 -0400 Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Lines: 15 Sender: news@nstn.ns.ca Message-ID: <51415.phoenix@fox.nstn.ca> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.nstn.ns.ca X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_14.1 X-POPMail-Charset: English A flexible electrified netting to keep unwanted four-footed visitors from agricultural and horticultural crops. It has proven to be very effective agains Raccoons, Otters, Ground Hogs and Porcupines. A high voltage (but low watts) electric fencer energizes the fence to deliver a high voltage (4000), non-lethal shock to deter animals from crops and gardens. For more details on the complete package email your address to phoenix@fox.nstn.ca --------------------------------- Phoenix Agritech(Canada) Limited phoenix@fox.nstn.ca --------------------------------- From durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:33:21 EST 1995 Article: 1421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!durk.ellison From: durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk (Durk Ellison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 02:44:02 GMT Message-ID: <950302073300207@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 49 Hi Jordan, 17-Feb-95 04:55, Jordan Schwartz: wrote to All: Subject: Re: Six super winter!? >> It would be interesting if you could give a more detailed account >> of what you saw when you opened and inspected the dead hive. >> Bees killed by Varroa, AFB and EFB are rather easy to detect. >> AFB and EFB by the smell and Varroa by searching the debris. JS> The first thing I noticed upon opening the hives was virtually JS> unmistakable lack of bees. This was my first tip that the hive was JS> dead. There was no scent (which would have indicated foulbrood), nor JS> were the dead larval bees (of which there were few) ropey. Instead, they JS> JS> appeared normal, just not moving. In fact, it appeared that a handful of JS> JS> bees were emerging from their cells when they died (i.e. they were half JS> out, half in, fully developed). JS> Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JS> JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology JS> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html This sounds very much like what happened to me last winter. My hives (8 of them) where in a forrest about 10 meters from an old dirt road. What I didn't know is that the owner of the land had contracted to have the older trees cut down and sold. With the noise of the motor saws and the ground vibrations from the lumber trucks using the old road. This induced a very stressful situation which brought on nosema. Each hive, when opened, was as you have described. I also have been brought to understand that Apis woodi infection will cause the same situation. I had my dead bees checked for woodi and they where found clean. ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from, Durk Ellison --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Durk Ellison BeeNet Finland (240:2358/100) From durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:33:22 EST 1995 Article: 1422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!durk.ellison From: durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk (Durk Ellison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Six super winter!? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 03:33:16 GMT Message-ID: <950302073300208@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 31 Hi Jordan, 17-Feb-95 04:55, Jordan Schwartz: wrote to All: Subject: Re: Six super winter!? JS> There were heavy stores of honey (thus the start of this thread: what do JS> I do with it, since I don't have an extractor, and its not worth my while JS> JS> to extract only two supers worth), so they didn't starve. JS> Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JS> JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology JS> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html Sorry I forgot to answer your question (It's 03:00 here). Once I determined the cause, I used the honey stores from the dead hives to feed to the hives that where strong but a bit short on food. ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from, Durk Ellison --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Durk Ellison BeeNet Finland (240:2358/100) From jschlnkr@iastate.edu Sun Mar 5 16:33:23 EST 1995 Article: 1423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: jschlnkr@iastate.edu (John D. Schlenker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: 3 Mar 1995 14:31:06 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3j797a$2t0@news.iastate.edu> References: <950227234231960@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc3350.econ.iastate.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 In article <950227234231960@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) says: > > > ---------------------------------------- >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:44:00 -0800 >From: "Paul van Westendorp 576-5600 Fax: 576-5652" Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees > ... > together with risk assessment studies. For the lack of information of > Hawaii's inventory of bee pathogens, it is difficult to consider NZ > transshipments as a bonafide health risk to Hawaiian bees at this time. ... > Provincial Apiarist > British Columbia ... 1) There is no data on the population characteristic which the ban aims to protect, so it's suggested the ban is trivial and a barrier to trade. 2) The impossibility of reversing an adverse event suggests caution, however. Trade is perhaps the trivial concern at the moment. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:33:25 EST 1995 Article: 1424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: scottish heather honey Message-ID: <1995Mar3.152459.2974@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3j693k$6vo@pellew.ntu.edu.au> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:24:59 GMT Lines: 12 In article <3j693k$6vo@pellew.ntu.edu.au> ted@dme.nt.gov.au writes: >Is there Scottish heather honey, and is it exported to Australia? Yes, heather honey is produced in Scotland (and other parts of the British Isles). Unfortunately I can't give you any details on its export. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tmiklasi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sun Mar 5 16:33:26 EST 1995 Article: 1425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!tmiklasi From: tmiklasi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tim Miklasiewicz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "moth crystals" for wax moths Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:54:07 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.146.211.21 Summary: alternatives to synthetic biocides Keywords: naphthalene, paradichlorobenzene X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Please Note: Paradichlorobenzene is carcinogenic! I would not use it around bees or to treat frames with wax that is going to re-used in hives. Wax moths are not very tolerant of sustained cold. They survive winters in protected locations such as hives with bees (warm), sometimes within buildings if they have some food (they're pretty polyphagous). You should be able to kill them by placing equipment in an exposed cold place or in a freezer for several days (48-72 hours near 0 degrees Fahrenheit should work). Several years ago there was a formulation of Bacillus thuringiensis that was used to treat frames. This bacterium is the active biological control agent in the biorational pesticides Dipel and Thuricide (and many others). It's toxic to larvae of many species of Lepidoptera, like wax moths, but not to bees. I believe that the distributer of the formulation for bees gave up its registration because it was not selling enough of the stuff to make it worthwhile. Possibly if enough people were aware of this as a safer alternative to naphthalene and PDCB, and were interested in using it, some company would be willing to resurrect the product. Tim Miklasiewicz miklasiewicz.1@osu.edu Ohio State University Entomology From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun Mar 5 16:33:27 EST 1995 Article: 1426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail_3/95 Date: 2 Mar 1995 02:23:22 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 340 Message-ID: <3j3a6q$n5p@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dr Pamela Munn Subject: B.mail - March isuue ====================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. **March 1995** ====================================================== APIS CERANA AS AN ECONOMICALLY IMPORTANT BEE FOR ASIA Probably the hottest subject of debate in Asian apiculture is the choice of species for beekeeping: the native Apis cerana or the introduced Apis mellifera. The argument is not simple, and is not yet settled, but it revolves on the choice between a greater honey producer which is an introduced species or a local bee which is said to support a sustainable beekeeping industry. In general A. cerana beekeeping is regarded as a low-input, low-return enterprise, with A. mellifera beekeeping in Asia generating much higher production, but requiring greater inputs (especially in mite control measures and queens which usually must be imported). How do the economics of the two forms of beekeeping in Asia compare? Unfortunately there is little in the way of rigorous analysis. The straightforward answer was given by a Thai beekeeper who once said to me: "When I kept cerana I owned a push bike; now that I keep mellifera I drive a Toyota". Of course as true as that might be for an individual, the greater picture isn't as simple as that. At last August's Asian apiculture conference in Indonesia a very interesting study from Vietnam was presented on this subject, which appeared to show that beekeeping with A. cerana was more profitable than that with A. mellifera. Unfortunately the study was flawed: comparing cerana in one year with mellifera the next, using different honey prices and including interest on capital in the mellifera analysis but not the other. However, the study shows promise if these deficiencies are corrected before it is published. More investigation along these lines is needed to help answer the question of which bee species is more economically successful for Asian beekeeping. Of course A. mellifera is an established part of Asian beekeeping, and it is not possible to turn the clock back and remove it from that part of the world. It may be that the two types of beekeeping can be complementary, with one a high input, high return enterprise and the other more suited to subsistence or smallholder lifestyles. The other part of the argument is ecological, with some people claiming that A. mellifera is out-competing A. cerana, and as a result the latter is endangered or that some races of A. cerana have been made extinct. These assertions are being made with little supporting evidence, and the fact that the number of managed A. cerana colonies is declining in some areas is likely to be more an expression of economic forces than ecological ones. The impact of introducing A. mellifera to areas where A. cerana is autochthonous is largely unknown (and in any case is likely not to be the same throughout Asia). Bald assertions that 'the situation (with cerana) is approaching a crisis', and that this species is endangered, contribute little to the scientific debate. A further part of the equation is that management of A. cerana has not been progressed as far or as fast as that of A. mellifera, meaning that colony management techniques and bee breeding for cerana is generally less advanced and comparisons of the two types of beekeeping is in fact unfair. At the Indonesian conference an exciting advance in management of A. cerana was reported; a practically-based trial to predict and reduce swarming behaviour in cerana. As excessive swarming is one characteristic that really reduces its manageability, these results have considerable potential for enhancing the practical importance of the eastern hive bee. The studies on natural mating, including the discovery of A. cerana drone congregation areas, also have management possibilities in allowing controlled mating in the open. So, for more informed debate on the mellifera/cerana debate for Asian beekeeping, we need: more thorough economic analysis of the two forms of beekeeping research on the effects of mellifera on feral populations of cerana development of better management techniques for cerana. THAILAND AS AN EXAMPLE In the latest issue of Bee World, currently being mailed to IBRA members and subscribers, Siriwat Wongsiri and Ping-Ping Chen look at the effect of agricultural development on honey bees in Thailand. After a few unsuccessful starts, beekeeping with mellifera in that country has undergone exponential growth over the past two decades. In the last ten years the number of managed cerana colonies has declined, though the authors are careful to point out that 'no research has been done on the decrease of A. cerana in natural habitats'. Another interesting point they make is that while cerana has the advantage of greater mite resistance, the colonies suffer more from poisoning by agricultural chemicals than mellifera ones because cerana beekeepers generally do not have the logistical or financial means to shift colonies away from danger. EXCITING NEW BOOK ON APIS CERANA I said that finding better management techniques for cerana was an important step in allowing a fair comparison between that species and mellifera. A new book will go a long way towards improving cerana management in Asia. Many previous books about beekeeping with cerana have been founded on adaptations of techniques for temperate-zone apiculture using mellifera, but at last we have a comprehensive manual for beekeeping with Apis cerana, based soundly on research and practical beekeeping experience with that species. 'Beekeeping for honey production: management of Asiatic hive honeybee Apis cerana in its natural and tropical monsoonal environment', by R W K Punchihewa, first reviews honey bee biology, concentrating on A. cerana but considering the other two species found in Sri Lanka (A. florea and A. dorsata). The majority of the book is directly practical, with chapters on the principles of beekeeping, the relationships between animal husbandry and beekeeping, hive design for A. cerana, colony population increase and management, swarming management and making increase, supplementary feeding, preventing absconding, pest incidence, use of the smoker, extracting honey, the economics of beekeeping. There is also a glossary, a short reference section, an appendix of historical documents on beekeeping in Sri Lanka, and a subject index. The book is well illustrated by 116 colour photographs, 42 diagrams and a map of Sri Lanka's natural resource zones. Though this book is written for Sri Lankan conditions much of it will be directly applicable to A. cerana beekeeping in coconut- and rubber- growing zones elsewhere in Asia, and will be of use to anyone interested in the management of A. cerana. The book will be available for purchase from IBRA (contacts at the end of the newsletter). LOTS OF MEETINGS THIS MONTH BUMBLE BEES IN THE NEWS The widespread interest in bumble bees will be focused on a unique symposium being held in September. Some bumble bee species are endangered, disappearing from Europe's changing countryside at an alarming rate. Some are bursting to prominence as 'technobees' - at the heart of sophisticated pollination systems for crops. There's huge interest in bumble bees at the moment, so IBRA has put together a programme that will appeal to crop growers, farmers, entomologists, teachers, beekeepers - in fact anyone interested in nature or the countryside. 'Bumble bees for pleasure and profit' covers why bumble bees are special, what part they play in the environment and how they are being threatened. It also deals with rearing and using them: on covered crops, field crops, and even at home and in schools. The excellent line-up of speakers all have wide scientific or practical experience with bumble bees, and are drawn from across UK and Europe. 'Bumble bees for pleasure and profit' will be held in London on Saturday 23 September 1995. Further details from: IBRA at the address given at the end of this newsletter. INVERTEBRATE PATHOLOGY MEETING The Society for Invertebrate Pathology will be holding its 28th annual meeting at Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, USA, on 16-21 July 1995. For information contact John D Vandenberg, USDA ARS US Plant, Soil & Nutrition Lab, Tower Road, Ithaca, NY 14853 (jdv3@cornell.edu; phone: 607-255-2456; fax: 607-255-2459) or H Alan Wood, Boyce Thompson Institute, Tower Road, Ithaca, NY 14853 (haw5@cornell.edu; phone: 607-254-1200; fax: 607-254-1242). IBRA DAY 1995 This year we have an exciting programme for IBRA Day. Set aside Saturday 27 May for a good day out: details in next month's B.mail. WORLD TRADE IN BEES AND BEE PRODUCTS IBRA is organizing a symposium on this subject to provide a forum for discussion of important issues in trade of bee products and bees. It will be held as part of the international beekeeping congress in Lausanne, Switzerland, and through the congress proceedings will give people worldwide access to current information on this subject (which is generally hard to come by). The meeting is for a wide range of people interested in this subject, including commercial beekeepers, traders in bee products and bees, government officials, representatives of intergovernmental agencies and hobby beekeepers. It won't be a direct 'how-to-do' programme, giving information about setting up a trading business. Rather it will analyse and discuss current and future trends in the commercial production and trading of major bee products (and bees). First there will be a keynote address by an invited speaker, looking at changing patterns in the world honey trade: the immediate past, current trends in the main producing and trading nations, and a look at the future. This will be followed by papers from invited speakers on: The effects of the latest Gatt agreement and European regulations. Niche marketing of honey from developing countries. Using quality assurance in bee product trade. Beeswax production and trade. The international trade in live bees. Developing markets for other hive products (such as propolis, pollen, royal jelly, venom). The European regulations for bee products (including a discussion of 'organic' honey). There will be opportunities for submitted papers to be presented as posters, as an important part of this half-day symposium. People wishing to take part in this symposium, or present posters, should register with the Apimondia congress organizers in the normal way. MEET US IN THE TROPICS Lastly in the meetings, but by no means least, here is the first announcement for the Sixth IBRA conference on tropical bees: management and diversity. It will be held in San Josi, Costa Rica, from 12-17 August 1996, and is being organized by the International Bee Research Association and hosted by the Universidad Nacional Costa Rica and Programa Regional de Apicultura y Meliponicultura. This conference is for anyone interested in the scientific or applied aspects of these themes: Ecology of native bees and native flora Pollination of crops Biology and management of stingless bees Parasites, pests and diseases of tropical bees Bees and sustainable forest management Conserving biodiversity of tropical bees Developing markets for bee products Information networks on tropical bees and beekeeping Management and selection of Africanized honey bees. Conference sessions will include presentations of oral and poster papers, workshop discussions, and technical visits to places of interest. The venue is ideal for looking at beekeeping with Africanized honey bees and stingless bees, as well as the interactions between introduced honey bees and native bees. Costa Rica provides a superb opportunity for private tours to look at a variety of unspoilt tropical habitats. This meeting continues the well-known series of conferences on bees and beekeeping in the tropics, held by IBRA every four years since 1976. Delegates at previous meetings have included scientists working in many different fields, commercial and hobbyist beekeepers, development workers, people from government and intergovernmental agencies, agriculturalists, foresters and extension agents. The proceedings of these conferences have become valued references for people working in subjects related to bees and beekeeping in the tropics. The International Bee Research Association is a non-profit making scientific foundation, and not an organization which can fund the attendance of delegates. If you will need funding to participate in this conference you should apply to appropriate agencies well in advance of the conference. If you wish to receive the second circular and registration form when they become available in August 1995 send your name and address to the appropriate contact: If you live in Costa Rica reply to: Sixth IBRA Conference on Tropical Bees C/ Dr Johan Van Veen Apartado 475-3000 Heredia Costa Rica If you live anywhere else contact: Sixth IBRA Conference on Tropical Bees International Bee Research Association 18 North Road Cardiff CF1 3DY United Kingdom (ibra@cardiff.ac.uk) TIME FOR REFRESHMENT If you've made it this far you deserve some refreshments. We all know that the waggle dance is the name given to one of the most important parts of the honey bee dance language (taken from von Frisch's term 'tail-wagging dance'), but did you know it's also the name of a beer made with honey in addition to barley malt? (I assume the name comes from the honey connection, and not only from the behaviour of heavy consumers). This honey beer uses 500 kg of honey in every 100-barrel batch, so it's definitely not a token effort. The resulting brew is (I'm told) golden in colour, with a notably firm and smooth body, a touch of sweetness with suggestions of orange and lemon, and a flowery dryness in its long finish. It has 5 percent alcohol and is a cask-conditioned draught. Waggle Dance is available in around 200 pubs, mainly those owned by the brewers Vaux in the north of England, at around 1.45-1.65 pounds per pint (an ancient British measurement, still used by drinkers, of just over 0.5 litre). Cheers! Andrew Matheson Director Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:33:28 EST 1995 Article: 1427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NBB newsletter of month 03,95 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:11:02 GMT Message-ID: <950303084508212@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 116 hi all, This monthly newsletter is published simultaneously in BEENET, in sci.agiculture.beekeeping newsgroup and in BEE-L. H.V. =================================================================== Northern Bee books Newsletter BeeBooks Digest--Apicultural Publications and Issues Volume 1, Number 1, march 1995 (c) H.Veerkamp & J.Burbidge. " all rights reserved" =================================================================== INTRODUCTION Yet another beekeeping newsletter on the web...the more, the merrier, I'd say. This newsletter is an attempt at making information on newly appearing beebooks, as well as on those 'golden oldies' available to the beekeeping community. Our main source of info will be at Northern bee books UK, but input( related to beebooks) from others is hereby cordially invited. Hugo Veerkamp, Amsterdam, Holland editor NBB newsletter BEE BOOK FOR BEGINNERS a pocket size soft back format, Dr Harry Riches' 'A Handbook of Beekeeping', is now becoming recognised as the best introduction to beekeeping for newcomers. Dr Riches has also produced the most readable and practical book available on Honey Marketing, a particular problem for beginners, who have not built up outlets for their products and may be discouraged from continuing by an accumulation of heavy buckets! H. Riches: A Handbook of Beekeeping BEEKEEPING LORE We all know some beekeeping lore and legend and so do many non-beekeepers. In Hilda M Ransome's 'The Sacred Bee' will be found all that we know - and far more that we don't - from the very earliest records of cultures worldwide. Hilda M Ransome: The Sacred Bee NEW BOOK FOR PRACTICAL BEEKEEPING Mind Stretching, Experience Enhancing, 'Queens' land' by Norm Rice is the Bee Book of 1994. Norm visited UK in the summer and impressed everyone he met and spoke to with his humility, good sense and good fortune. Don't take our word for it, read the glowing report in Thorne's Beekeepers' News. You can share in his success by following his methods. Norm Rice: Queens' land A BRAND NEW BEE BOOK The late Mediaeval, fifteenth century was a time of great awakening of art, science and technology in Europe. Take beekeeping. In England, monasteries kept bees to provide wax for candles. Honey was the only sweetening. Bees were kept in skeps and mead was made from honey. Unfortunately we don't know much more than that because beekeeping was essentially a private occupation and there are very few public records about it and its products. Not so in Mediaeval Sweden. A new book, 'Honey, Beeswax and Mead. Beekeeping in Sweden during the Middle Ages and the 16th century', is the fruit of research by Dr Erik Husberg who has unearthed and studied mediaeval laws, letters, accounts and records from castles, bailliffs and collection of taxes. The laws mostly related to ownership of swarms (swarming was very common) and punishments for theft of hives - at least one sentence was that of death. The Church used huge quantities of wax, in the records of one church it was the most important item of expenditure. After the Reformation the use of beeswax candles dropped to almost zero. Wax seals were used in Sweden as here on important documents, Guilds used wax as currency for dues and fines, wax was used in ointments, horticulture, polish, metal casting, cement and filler and in engraving. This very brief summary does only touches on the content of the book. Its only problem is that it is in Swedish (with a comprehensive summary in English) but it is a model of research and almost worth learning a new language for! No doubt among the diversity of beekeepers there will be some enterprising Swedish speaker somewhere who will be prepared to translate for a small consideration.. Dr Erik Husberg: Honey, Beeswax and Mead. Beekeeping in Sweden during the Middle Ages and the 16th century GIFTS FROM THE HIVE Honey and candles are not the only hive products we can give away, but they are certainly always well received. You can also use honey in cakes, confectionery and drinks, wax in cosmetics, polishes and decorative items. What's more, the cost to you can be low (for little luxuries) for single items but they can be combined to make superb presentations. The most recent book for instructions on how to make a huge variety of items is 'Super Formulas' , by Elaine C White. It contains many probably useless recipes but there is a core of good ones and ideas may well be generated for devising your own individual ones. So what else is considered worthy of inclusion in this large and easy to read book? It begins with a waterproof cement which is formulated to hold blades on to knife handles. Forget Super Glue. Elaine C White: Super Formulas ============================================================================= for further inquiries about books reviewed or book catalog, please send E-mail to: Jeremy Burbidge at ruxbury@delphi.com or to: Hugo Veerkamp at Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org --- * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20.6764105 zzz (240:31/0) From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Sun Mar 5 16:33:29 EST 1995 Article: 1428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:12:03 GMT Message-ID: <950303084508213@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 58 hi Pete, > Or maybe a bettere question would be, > "Should you use > moth crystals? and if so, When, where, how and for > what purposes?" Do NOT use moth crystals against wax moths !! because the activeingredient, Paradichlorobenzene ( PDB) tends to get into the wax and stay there, even when heating the wax or using other methods. This is caused by chemical properties of PDB, which make it much better soluble in fatty substances ( like wax) than in water etc. Sitting there in the wax it will continue to be poisonous to waxmoths ( good), but also to your bees ( not good). There are several alternatives to salvage the good wax still present in your infested hives: a. boil water in an enormous pan and throw in the pieces of good wax you can break out of the infested frames. After cooling a cake of wax will form on the water surface and can be taken out easily. It will still be dirty and unpurified, but the moth cannot go on consuming any more wax to leave you ith their black excrement instead. b. put all frames that are still > 75% ok in a big airtight plastic bag and add a piece of cardboard or beer-mat, in which an amount of 99% ACETIC ACID is absorbed. Close up the bag airtight and leave until use of the frames. At that time simply hang the frames outside in the wind to evaporate all taces of the acetic acid. The acetic acid kills off not only the wax moth but also reduces the (possible, but less recognisable) presence of other diseases. Moreover, the acid is not fat soluble so will not stay in the wax after treatment. A simple aeration is sufficient to blow away all of the acid n 15 minutes ( any residual acid is easily detectable by smell). sincerely, Hugo P.S. an added advantage is that moth balls can cause cancer in humans and acetic acid does not. H. \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | reply to: BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| mail : the Bee bbs | | | P.O. BOX 51008 | | DO NOT SIMPLY PRESS REPLY BUTTON !! | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | |(or your reply gets lost in bit heaven)| The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ --- FMail 0.96â+ * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20 6764105 zzz (240:231/100) From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun Mar 5 22:45:31 EST 1995 Article: 1429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Moth Crystals for wax moths? Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <950303084508213@posnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:29:41 GMT Lines: 22 : There are several alternatives to salvage the good wax still present in : your infested hives: : a. boil water in an enormous pan and throw in the pieces of good wax you : can break out of the infested frames. After cooling a cake of wax will form : b. put all frames that are still > 75% ok in a big airtight plastic bag and : add a piece of cardboard or beer-mat, in which an amount of 99% ACETIC ACID If you have only a few frames and a big freezer, stick the plastic bags in the freezer overnight. That will dispense the wax moths and usually any eggs. Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Virtual Art Gallery: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From 3dobs@qlink.queensu.ca Sun Mar 5 22:45:33 EST 1995 Article: 1430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news From: David Schmidt <3dobs@qlink.queensu.ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Pictures Needed! Date: 4 Mar 1995 19:58:49 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3jagpp$jhp@news.ysu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip118.qlink.queensu.ca Hi, I'm doing an multimedia-introduction to Bees and Beekeeping and am looking for .GIFs and .JPGs of BEES! Photos and renderings are fine! Reply by e-mail is preferrable...I plan to post my picture list here after I get some feedback and will be happy to mail out pictures to people... I can be reached at 3dobs@qlink.queensu.ca or at schmidt@biol.gis.queensu.ca Many thanks, David From NDSN68A@prodigy.com Sun Mar 5 22:45:34 EST 1995 Article: 1431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NDSN68A@prodigy.com (Bob Stjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Protection of Hawaii's honey bees Date: 4 Mar 1995 20:05:15 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jah5r$1056@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I certainly hope that the Department of Agriculture will monitor any bee shipments very carefully. We are on the Big Island and are not at the same risk as those beekeepers on Oahu. That goes for most accidental importation of bees afflicted with various mites or deseases and the Africanized bees from Brazil or even Africa. Very few ocean going ship land on this island. You can all be sure, though, that the Big Isalnd beekeepers are not happy to have alien bees passing through under any conditions. - BOB STJOHN NDSN68A@prodigy.com From Alex@longton.demon.co.uk Sun Mar 5 22:45:35 EST 1995 Article: 1432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Alex@longton.demon.co.uk ("T. Alex. Shaw.") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!longton.demon.co.uk!Alex Subject: Re: Should I Start? References: <519457787wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> <3j04v7$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> Organization: None Reply-To: Alex@longton.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 30 X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:37:49 +0000 Message-ID: <52978296wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article: <3j04v7$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) writes: > Hate to disagree with you Alex, but in the US recently, those who do not > manage their bees do not keep bees very long! Yes Gerard, I forgot about varroa. I have kept bees for many years in an isolated location in the north midlands of England. The mite is advancing from the south and I was only thinking the other day that this season I shall have to be more attentive. I have coped with most troubles (but escaped foul brood), however, I have no experience of varroa. Is there any affective treatment yet and if not what is the next best thing? If you would rather not digress this thread too far e-mail me. I know now how beekeepers must have felt with the advance of "Isle of White" disease (Acarapis woodi) which virtually annihilated the British black bee at the beginning of the century to the extent that Italian bees had to be imported to replace them. It was some 40 years before a treatment was developed but prior to that beekeepers used a cocktail of volatile chemicals like petrol and camphor to treat their stocks. -- AleX. From g91i0480@warthog.ru.ac.za Wed Mar 8 23:18:15 EST 1995 Article: 1433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!pirates!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!warthog.ru.ac.za!g91i0480 From: g91i0480@warthog.ru.ac.za (MR PM ILLGNER) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeybees and UV Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:38:19 GMT Organization: Rhodes University Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gg08.ru.ac.za Hi! I would like to get in contact with anyone who has investigated the influence of ultraviolet light on honeybees. I would be particularly interested in the effect UV has on honeybee physiology and energetics. A literature search on the topic has not proved very productive so a trawl through the internet is a last resort! Thanks! Pete From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Wed Mar 8 23:18:18 EST 1995 Article: 1434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Should I Start? Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <519457787wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> <3j04v7$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> <52978296wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 16:38:17 GMT Lines: 26 T. Alex. Shaw. (Alex@longton.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article: <3j04v7$4i6@gamera.umd.edu> worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard : Worrell) writes: : > Hate to disagree with you Alex, but in the US recently, those who do not : > manage their bees do not keep bees very long! : Yes Gerard, I forgot about varroa. I have kept bees for many years in an : isolated location in the north midlands of England. The mite is advancing : from the south and I was only thinking the other day that this season I : shall have to be more attentive. As far as I know, it is a very simple problem for the hobbyist to deal with. A couple of strips installed routinely once or twice a year at acost of $5 maximum per hive should do the trick. It's a no brainer. Just check your local recommendations. Do it! Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Virtual Art Gallery: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Mar 8 23:18:20 EST 1995 Article: 1435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For your Information (long and loathsome) Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:58:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 156 Message-ID: <3jdj6o$aub@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: Why I am not a lawyer After an especially lousy afternoon I arrived home to check my mail and received this: Message-Id: <199503052130.WAA03292@onyx.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: INTERNET.CDROM-[beekeeping-faq] To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:30:39 +0100 (MET) Hallo, I am preparing right now a CD-Rom, that will demonstrate the use of the Internet to those, that are NOT familiar with on-line services. But like it is, in demonstrations you have the connection to the Internet, but if you want to give the audience something to take home, you're lost ! That's why I'm creating that CD-Rom, it will present several services and lots of information from the Internet directly from the CD-Rom WITHOUT beeing connected. While I was snooping through the net, I found you're "FAQ" Archive-Name: beekeeping-faq Last modified: 1995/02/20 and think it will be useful to be included into that CD-Rom project. I HEREBY LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO INCLUDE THAT "FAQ" INTO THE CD-ROM OR NOT ! -------------------------------------------- Please take your time and fill that AUTHORIZATION FORMULA below, and send it back to me (the best would be via air-mail paper-letter and signed), but e-mail would do to. Please cut the FORMULA out and send only that, I do not need the description of the project again, because I wrote it ;o) If you cannot live with that agreement, you're not sure where that information in your file was coming from or you just don't want to be included, please reply to this e-mail and add a big -NO! to the end of the subject. Please do NOT send the complete file back to me ! I already have it, and we all want to reduce the load on the Internet ;o) -------------------------------------------- Sure, this CD-Rom is a commercial project, I'm not getting rich with that, due of a very low selling price, but I DO make my living with that. Due of the tight price calculation (and the fee's that I have to pay to some software distributors), it will not be possible for me to pay you anything for the inclusion of that file, nor will I be able to send you a free copy, when it will be finished (production cost a lot too). Maybe I can calculate a even lower special price for contributors, but I don't know so far. -------------------------------------------- If you want, you can send me a newer copy of that file, if there is one ! Or send me any pictures, movies, songs and sounds or any other digital material that you want to include. Because I am going to use a hyptertext-system to present the Internet, I can include nearly everything. Please send any files via e-mail (binary files "uuencoded", no splitting needed) and set the title of the e-mail to something like that: -includes--at-line- where filename is the file of the requested file, subfilename is the name of new file you're sending and linenumber is the line in the requested file, where you want to include that new file, so f.e. FOOBAR.TXT-includes-MYFACE.JPG-at-line-122 Just be sure, YOU are the author of that file or have the copyright ! If you want to e-mail me about anything else or you have comments, hints or whatever else, feel free to do that, but do it in an extra mail. Thnx. Thnx for your interest and I would be happy to include your material, Phade ----------------------------------------------------- PHADE Software, Leibnizstr. 30, 10625 Berlin, GERMANY Inh. Frank Gadegast Fon/Fax: +49 30 3128103 phade@contrib.de http://www.contrib.de/~phade ========================================================================== ============== cut here cut here cut here cut here cut here ============== AUTHORIZATION FORMULA ===================== Name of the file : ___________________________________________ Date of the file : _________________ Name, First name : ___________________________________________ Date of birth : ___________________________________________ Adress : ___________________________________________ Fon : ___________________________ Fax : ________________________ E-mail : ___________________________ div. : ________________________ Comment : ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ I am the original author and I am authorized by all contributors of the named file to sign this formula. I hereby authorize Frank Gadegast to use, store, partly change, produce and sell the named file and the accompanied information, pictures or other digital material, on a CD-Rom without having to pay any kind of fee. This authorization will not be limited to a amount of sold CD-Roms. Frank Gadegast has to store the used, named file and the accompanied information, pictures or other digital stored material in a way, that the owner of the copyright, i.e. the author, is still identify. The storage of the used material will be as close as technicle possible to the way it was stored, specified by the date of the file. If major changes of the file are needed, the original copy of the file will be stored on the CD-Rom too. _____________________ ______________________________ (date) (town) (signature) ============== cut here cut here cut here cut here cut here ============== ========================================================================== Ack! Maybe this guy needs some experience with africanized bees? :) Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 8 23:18:21 EST 1995 Article: 1436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Neighbors and free honey Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 05:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <950303074821985@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 146 |-----------------|Mvdfv@mvuts.Mv.Att.Com (-Verville D.F.)refer#: None wrote: >Subject: Neighbors and free honey >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 15:24:21 GMT > >>>> and an occasional jar of honey to next door neighbors. > > I wish I had a dime for every time I read this! > I be a very rich man. > Instead it just brings back bad memories! Yep, and I wish I had a dollar for every pound of Honey I have given away. > > I used to offer my neighbors a free jar of honey at the end of the season. I too thought it was the thing to do. However, I gave some honey to a neighbor, who said she didn't even know I had bees in the backyard. The following year she complained to the town board of health saying that the bees were a problem for the entire neighborhood. She even started a petition to ban beekeeping. Nothing ever amounted, other than having one extra free jar of honey to give away! |----end quotes---------------------------------| Here in California it is not much different, with one big exception, we (commercial) beekeepers also have to pay for locations to put bees in many areas in addition to the honey. For example I pay $1000. per year, for pasture on one of the ranches I use for my bees. In the old days we gave the rancher a 5 gallon can of honey. People are funny! Years ago a neighbor who also happened to be a state senator gave me permission to place bee's on one of his ranches. It was 5 miles from the nearest home, but the bee's could be seen from the road which was the main highway between Monterey and Salinas. Bee's had been on this ranch for 35 years before I came along and it once was the home of a old time beekeepers who even had small honey house and a roadside stand to sell his honey. In the day's of the model T this was real rural pasture lands, and people would make a day of it to travel out to the bee man's to pick up a can of honey. The fun begin the first year when a woman who lived 16 miles away complained to the land owner that she knew someone who knew someone who was allergic to bee's and lived in a new subdivision about five miles away. And she though he, the state senator, should get a law passed to outlaw the keeping of bee's. She did not know that the bee's were on his property. The next year I put the bee's out of sight from the roadway and kept them there for years as the new home's moved withing a hundred yards and never had a complaint or problem. A few years later one of the SF Bay area counties had a bill in the state senate to outlaw the keeping of bee's in their county and regulate all the rest of the bee's to non populated areas of the state. I was still a green horn and naive about politics, but wanted to do my part, so I agreed to testify for young people who keep bee's as a 4-H project as I once had done that myself only a few years before. I made the trip to the state capitol in Sacramento and because I was the youngest, the older beekeepers said I could testify first. Little did I know that I was to be a wiping boy and sacrificial lamb. I was pounded by the senators on the agriculture committee. I was made to feel like a member of a outlaw industry and was treated like a low down criminal who if was not robbing bees would be engaged in so other criminal activity. I could say nothing that was not attacked in a chilling personal way by the senator who was pushing the bill and his allies. I was degraded for wanting to be a professional beekeeper. I held my ground, and held back the tears, I did not fight with words and only presented the facts as I knew them. I finally was finished and with much relief moved to the back of the room as others gave their testimonies. It was the longest hour of my life and I was mortally wounded, ashamed to be a beekeeper and only wanted the hearing to end and as I sat in silence knowing what a mistake I had made by just being there. Nothing could prepare a person for what I saw and experienced that day my first experience of many to come with our political system. The attack continued into the afternoon, it got so bad at one point, that one of the outstanding beekeepers of the time had to be physically restrained as tempers flared. I heard the mealy mouth testimony of the bureaucrats in charge of regulating bee's, and the university types who would sell their mothers to enhance their own standing. It was five o'clock and the hearing had lasted four hours more then it was scheduled, I wanted to get away from there as quick as possible, and surely would never tell anyone I had ever been there. My friend the state senators time had come to close the hearing, he was chairman of the Agriculture Committee at the time and in real dairyman. He spent the next thirty minutes attacking the bill and the position of his fellow senators, the regulators, and the university. When he was done and before he adjourned the meeting he apologized on the record to me personally for the treatment I had received from his fellow senators, and told them all, that anytime I wanted a place to pasture bee's on his land I was welcome. He did not let on that I already had bee's there and had so for several years. To end this story, the Bill failed, but that did not stop the different counties in California from passing their own regulations pertaining to the keeping of bee's, and many have done that. After the hearing broke up a legislator who I did not know walked over to me and introduced himself. He told me that he appreciated my efforts and what I had to say interested him. He too apologized for the treatment given me by his fellow legislators and said even though he was not on the agriculture committee, "not to worry, if I ever needed any help with bee laws that he would be happy to help and there were other way's to get things done". (meaning politics of a higher order then what went on in that committee). I also was approached by a political reporter who like the way I had handled myself under fire and wrote a story for his newspaper about the beekeepers. This reporter later became a lobbyist, and was my friend, and a friend of the beekeepers for many years after and was able to teach me some things that I have used with the help of other beekeepers to make things happen for California beekeepers in no small way, and for all US beekeepers, indemnification for pesticide loss, and de-regulation of beekeepers stand out in my memory. And yes, I strayed off the original subject again but will end with, that a few years later for the price of 4 one pound jars of California Honey per legislator I was able to get a bill passed that honored California Beekeepers and to speak with the Governor after he signed the bill and I had used up my fifteen minutes of, fame pictures and all. And later one on one for the most of an hour, alone in his office, eating all his licorice jelly beans from the big jar always on his desk, because he did not favor licorice jelly beans and like to talk bee's, pollen and horses, some comments a little rank to repeat even here. I had no idea that he would go on to be the president of the United States, and that he would see that I was appointed as a commodity advisor to the University of California, the first and last one ever representing the beekeeping industry. A story for another time. But today when you shake my hand, you do shake the hand that shook the hand of the man who many believe was one of our better modern day presidents. Err, well at lest the Republicans do. ttul Andy- PS/ Don't feel bad about anything you have read here about mistreatment of a young beekeeper, this old beekeepers has paid back many, many times for the mistreatment felt at the time, which only was the normal treatment researved for anyone who dared to enter the underworld of politics from the grass roots, man or boy.... (c)Reproduction rights, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. Check your facts. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Mar 8 23:18:23 EST 1995 Article: 1437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!beenet!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey 4sale Finland Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 05:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950303074821986@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Distribution: world Lines: 19 originally in conference WN-BEENET on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- Hi Andy, how are you Hi andy! i am indrested to honey marketing in usa. could you help me take to contact to somebady. ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from Petri Juutilainen ___ Terminate 1.50/Pro * Origin: Petri Juutilainen, BeeCenter-Finland-BeeNet (240:2358/103) --- þ wcGATE 4.1 ÷ Wildnet (tm) þ Modem Addictus þ Knoxville, Tn þ 617-579-5094 From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Wed Mar 8 23:18:25 EST 1995 Article: 1438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.cs.indiana.edu!purdue!yuma!usenet From: Lou Bjostad Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Pictures Needed! Date: 5 Mar 1995 20:55:19 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3jd8fn$3851@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> References: <3jagpp$jhp@news.ysu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu > I'm doing an multimedia-introduction to Bees and Beekeeping > and am looking for .GIFs and .JPGs of BEES! See the Colorado State University WWW site for links to many sources of bee photos. The address is: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html From wolfensten@aol.com Wed Mar 8 23:18:26 EST 1995 Article: 1439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wolfensten@aol.com (Wolfensten) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supplies Date: 6 Mar 1995 19:22:54 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3jg90u$adf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: wolfensten@aol.com (Wolfensten) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I need the address for Dadant (Dadent?) beekeeping supplies, or any other companies. Thanks Jeff From markvam@aol.com Fri Mar 10 00:44:22 EST 1995 Article: 1440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supplies Date: 7 Mar 1995 11:31:35 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ji1p7$2fv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3jg90u$adf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: markvam@aol.com (MarkVam) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Phone number for Dadant is (217) 847-3324. Another source for beekeeping supplies is Brushy Mountain at 1-800-BEESWAX. From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Fri Mar 10 00:44:23 EST 1995 Article: 1441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Foundation Press Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 01:14:40 GMT Lines: 22 In John Vivian's book "Keeping Bees", he discribes building a wax foundation press. John uses a sheet of factory made foundation to form the face of the die. He uses a mastic called "Wood Putty". Always looking for another project and having several pounds of rendered bee's wax around, I tried to make one. Instead of using a sheet of foundation, I used a "one-piece plastic" frame/ foundation as my postive. I used PAM as a releasing agent. I made up a smaller wooden frame to fit inside the plastic frame. I made a mold of both sides. I attached the two halves together using hinges, with one of the dies offset about 1/32 of an inch which caused them to line up perfectly. Following John's directions, I melted some wax, poured it onto the mold and slammed it shut. Well it took a couple of tries before I got the feel for it. After several attempts, I finally had one come out "good enough". However, the water putty mold isn't holding up. After making a few, the mold is starting to come apart. I was thinking about using "Bondo" or maybe even fiberglass and resin. I was wondering if anyone else has attempted this and what did they use as a mastic. BTW: I'm a blue blood yankee, so it has to be cheap! From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Fri Mar 10 00:44:25 EST 1995 Article: 1442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 23:08:08 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <950227234231960@beenet.com> <3j797a$2t0@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz > > together with risk assessment studies. For the lack of information of > > Hawaii's inventory of bee pathogens, it is difficult to consider NZ > > transshipments as a bonafide health risk to Hawaiian bees at this time. > ... It may have been pointed out before, but NZ's bees are probably healthier than a lot of others, as we ban both bee and honey imports. (for disease rather than local industry protection). _______________________________________________ Owen Watson, The Royal Society of New Zealand Web server: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ From Maarten.vanHelden@medew.ento.wau.nl Fri Mar 10 00:44:26 EST 1995 Article: 1443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!bounce-back From: Maarten.vanHelden@medew.ento.wau.nl (Maarten van Helden) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.groups,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera,sci.bio.ethology Subject: RFD: sci.bio.entomology.misc Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:36:40 -0500 Organization: medew.ento.wau.nl Lines: 138 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:5518 news.groups:113453 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1443 sci.bio:21842 sci.bio.ecology:10064 sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera:663 sci.bio.ethology:1719 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION This is a formal request for discussion (RFD) for the creation of a newsgroup on general entomology and related issues. All discussion of the proposed new group should take place in the news.groups Usenet newsgroup. Interested parties unable to read news.groups should contact the principal proponent, Maarten van Helden. Unmoderated group sci.bio.entomology.misc Newsgroup line: sci.bio.entomology.misc General entomology and related issues. Proposer: Maarten van Helden Co-proposers: Yvan Rahbe Lou Bjostad Rod Crawford Peter Rauch Christopher Majka Mentor: Ed Bailey This RFD is being issued in concordance with the guidelines set in the "How to create a new usenet newsgroup" FAQ regularly posted to news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to this article if you have any questions about newsgroup creation. This is not a call for votes. Please do not vote now. CHARTER: Discussion, news, and queries concerning the study of insects and other (non-marine) arthropods not covered in more specialised newsgroups. The newsgroup is meant to cover a wide variety of entomological topics, including postings about arachnology, myriapodology and other studies with affinities to entomology. Sci.bio.entomology.misc is *NOT* intended as a forum for the buying and selling of insect specimens nor for the advertising of commercial products and services. However, it is permissible to use the newsgroup to post brief comments with pointers to addresses where readers can obtain information about such products. All participants are expected to respect the environment and the law. Efforts to encourage trespassing or to subvert conservation laws are *NOT* welcome on this newsgroup. Communication will be welcomed from all those interested in entomology, including serious amateurs as well as professionals and students, since these groups have much to contribute to one another and are in need of better communication channels. We hope that through interest and involvement by participants, documents of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) will in time be developed on many topics of interest to participants and the general public. Though intended mainly for communication among entomologists, some queries from the general public are to be expected; those which can be answered will be answered politely. RATIONALE: Entomology (the study of insects) is the focus of numerous organizations and people, both professional and amateur, all over the world. Entomology is a highly diversified field in which most workers, however specialised their research, retain an interest in other entomological topics. It is also one of the few scientific fields in which amateurs can still make important contributions. The sci.bio.entomology.misc newsgroup is intended for all general entomological postings. There are also some specialised newsgroups (e.g. sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera) and entomological listservers. The charter of sci.bio.entomology.misc includes consideration that existing or future non-newsgroups/lists dedicated to entomological topics may be gated to/from a suitable sci.bio.entomology subgroup. Since sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera passed its vote just a few months ago, there is a pre-existing sci.bio.entomology hierarchy. "Big 7" standards require that the general discussion groups for hierarchies end with .misc, so sci.bio.entomology.misc is the recommended group name. The proponents sympathize with those who would prefer a shorter name, e.g. sci.bio.entomology. The newsgroup should be unmoderated, since the subject matter of entomology is not highly contentious in any event, and the mandate of the newsgroup as presented in the charter is sufficiently encompassing that moderation was not deemed necessary. We would like to encourage wide participation in the newsgroup. It is unlikely that inappropriate postings will be a serious problem. If sufficient interest and volume of traffic should develop on one taxon (e.g. Coleoptera, bees, etc.) or subfield (e.g. economic entomology), there is provision within the sci.bio.entomology.* structure for further newsgroup creation to accommodate more specialized interests. Creation of such additional newsgroups would not change the mandate of sci.bio.entomology.misc but would merely allow the creation of additional forums for more detailed discussions among students of certain insect taxa or subject areas. PROCEDURE: Please post any responses to this message to news.groups. If you use the followup feature on your newsreader, this should happen automatically but please double-check anyway. All discussion about the merits of this proposal should occur on news.groups. Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, a call for votes (CFV) will be posted approximately four weeks after the posting of this RFD. Please do not post any votes. When the CFV is posted, instructions will be given on how to mail your votes to the independent vote counter. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD will be posted to news.announce.newgroups and then cross-posted to the following: news.groups, sci.agriculture.beekeeping, sci.bio, sci.bio.ecology, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera, sci.bio.ethology It is also being sent to these mailing lists: entomo-l@uoguelph.ca bee-l@albnyvm1.bitnet socinsct@albnyvm1.bitnet taxacom@cmsa.berkeley.edu pestcon@uiowa.edu When Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will also be cross-posted in these groups and mailing lists. A copy of this RFD can also be found via WWW at: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/sbemrfd.html gopher://yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU:70/00/ON/ACADEMIC/AGSCI/ENTOMOLO/sbemrfd.txt and on Gopher at Colorado State University (yuma.acns.colostate.edu) under menus as follows: On Campus> Academic> College of Agric. Sci.> Entomology> sbemrfd.txt From NDSN68A@prodigy.com Fri Mar 10 15:07:38 EST 1995 Article: 1444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NDSN68A@prodigy.com (Bob Stjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: 10 Mar 1995 01:24:49 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jo9p1$174a@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: <950227234231960@beenet.com> <3j797a$2t0@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 NZ bees may be vry healthy but we are told that they do have pathogens and/or paracites that are not fpound in Hawaii. If they have been developing in such a closed environment They may be very dangerous to our Hawaiian bees which have been developing in a separate closed environment. We do not want to take that chance. Bob St. John ndsn68a@prodigy.com From NDSN68A@prodigy.com Fri Mar 10 15:07:39 EST 1995 Article: 1445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NDSN68A@prodigy.com (Bob Stjohn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Your help needed to protect Hawai'i's honey bees Date: 10 Mar 1995 01:26:44 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3jo9sk$1br0@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: <950227234231960@beenet.com> <3j797a$2t0@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 NZ bees may be vry healthy but we are told that they do have pathogens and/or paracites that are not fpound in Hawaii. If they have been developing in such a closed environment They may be very dangerous to our Hawaiian bees which have been developing in a separate closed environment. We do not want to take that chance. Bob St. John ndsn68a@prodigy.com As I was watching this being posted I noticed several galring typing errors and I apologize. - BOB STJOHN NDSN68A@prodigy.com From bvictor@alexandria.lib.utah.edu Sat Mar 11 21:39:25 EST 1995 Article: 1446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!ml-pc18.lib.utah.edu!bvictor From: bvictor@alexandria.lib.utah.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info on bee venom therapy Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:09:20 +1000 Organization: Marriott Library, U of U. Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ml-pc18.lib.utah.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Hi I am a student at Sam Houston State University. I am writing a paper about bee venom therapy and would like to know if anyone can help me out. I need scholarly journal articles and or books about the subject. I do not have access to News groups so if you don't mind, please email me with your response. stddgm@SHSU.edu Thank you from the bottom of my bee stung heart. Grady "Early Grace" Mangum Brian R. Victor /\_/\ University of Utah /.....\_ bvictor@alexandria.lib.utah.edu /........ /^\ |::::::::/.....\ "Ya na ene yo ... Navajo nishlii" |::::::/::::::: /\ -pollen song _|::::_|:::::::_/::\_ From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Mar 11 21:39:26 EST 1995 Article: 1447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Press Date: 10 Mar 1995 09:03:28 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3jp4l0$rp@netnews.upenn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] -verville d.f. (mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com) wrote: : In John Vivian's book "Keeping Bees", he discribes building a : wax foundation press. John uses a sheet of factory made foundation to form : the face of the die. He uses a mastic called "Wood Putty". d.f., I've seen this book and thought about building one of these things - but haven't gotten around to it yet. In thinking about it though, I was wondering if one couldn't use two pieces of plastic foundation as the actual press-faces, rather than making them out of plaster and putty.... What do you think? Dave From @brandonu.ca Sat Mar 11 21:39:28 EST 1995 Article: 1448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!news.brandonu.ca!news.brandonu.ca!nntp Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning beeswax crafts Message-ID: <1995Mar9.121954.86@news.brandonu.ca> From: (Life Sciences Lab) Date: 9 Mar 95 12:19:54 CST Reply-To: $lewis@brandonu.ca Organization: Brandon University Nntp-Posting-Host: pc00016.pcs.brandonu.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Lines: 12 Recently, a church in our area found a nativity scene made out of beeswax. The person that found it believes that the set is very old,and it is generally in good condition except that it was stored were it got dirty and some stains due to water. My family makes beeswax crafts so the church asked us how to clean the wax. They had already tried scrubbing with soap and water, but this was not effective. We could not think of any other suggestions, as we have never tried to clean wax before. If anyone has any suggestions for cleaning the wax, I would appreciate it. The church wants very badly to save this antique, but just can't seem to get it clean. Michael Lewis, Brandon University Zoology Dept. From stevo@imap2.asu.edu Sat Mar 11 21:39:30 EST 1995 Article: 1449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.fc.net!infoman.net99.net!news.rtd.com!news.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!general1!stevo From: stevo@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supplies Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:51:58 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <3jg90u$adf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: general1.asu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: stevo@general1 In-Reply-To: <3jg90u$adf@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 6 Mar 1995, Wolfensten wrote: > I need the address for Dadant (Dadent?) beekeeping supplies, or any other > companies. Thanks > > Jeff > > Following is a list of sources for bees, books, and equipment excerpted from an article published by Organic Gardening (Dec 1994) magazine: Equipment: The A. I. Root Co. PO Box 706 Medina, OH 44258 (800) 289-7668 (Free Catalog) Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Inc. Route 1, Box 135 Moravian Falls, NC 28654 (800) 233-7929 (Free Catalog) Dadant & Sons 51 S. Second St. Hamilton, IL 62341 (217) 847-3324 (Free Catalog) Jones and Son Ltd. 44 Dutch St. Bedford, PQ Canada JOJ 1AO (514) 248-3323 (Also sells package bees; catalog $2 Canadian--refundable) Walter T. Kelly Co. 3107 Elizabethtown Road Clarkson, KY 42726 (502) 242-2012 (Free Catalog) Western Bee Supplies Inc. P.O. Box 171 Polson, MT 59860 (800) 548-8440 Canada and Montana call (406) 883-2918 (Free Catalog) Package Bees: C.F. Koehnen & Sons Inc. 3131 Highway 45 Glenn, CA 95943 (Free Price List) Rossman Apiaries Inc. P.O. Box 905 Moultrie, GA 31776 (Also sells equipment; free catalog) Hope this helps. Steven. From jcooper@infinet.com Sat Mar 11 21:39:32 EST 1995 Article: 1450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax extracting press Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:16:29 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3jpqgd$fic@horus.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com Keywords: beeswax; press X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] One of my beekeeping friends has a lot more time on his hands than I. Most likely, this is because he is not yet on the Net. At any rate, he has had time to imagine that he wants to build a press to reclaim beeswax. He has the skills and the equipment and (as I've said) the time to do some pretty complicated things. He is looking for plans and suggestions for building a wax press. Please reply to this newsgroup, with a copy to my email box. ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sat Mar 11 21:39:33 EST 1995 Article: 1451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey, Frozen Chicken & Beef Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:10:40 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3jpml0$kpq@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: <950227170154954@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article <950227170154954@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur wrote: ... > Hello Norman, > > I sometimes forget that this is an international news group >and others may not be interested in what a few US beekeepers may >be interested in. Sorry about that. > > What are you interested in or whats going on in the UK with >the bees? > ttul Andy- Andy: No apology needed! I wasn't flaming; I was puzzled about the original message. Are you saying that US beekeepers -are- interested in the prices per metric tonne of Chinese honey, US chicken, or Mongolian beef? If so, why? I am curious. I had thought that the prices post was just noise, but your reply suggests not. As for beekeeping here in the UK: I am in Fife, Scotland. We don't have varroa here yet, though no doubt it will arrive in due course. Winter's not over, but we have occasional warm days. My own setup is very small. I keep up to 4 hives in my garage (lock-up?) with a tunnel to let the bees out. This keeps the garage clear of bees and gives me a place to store stuff just where I need it. I usually combine my hives for wintering, and split them up in the spring (the hope being that this will reduce swarming - some hope). I don't get a lot of honey by commercial standards, but I sell the excess to the local baker at 1.30 pounds per half pound, which is not at all bad. (The baker makes his own bread and our two products go together Most Excellently!) This year I have made myself some mead, as an experiment. It takes 12-18 months to mature, so I'll have to wait a while for the results. I must confess to being cowardly with regard to being stung. My aim is to have as little to do with the workers as I can, and I wonder about ways of inspecting the hive with an endoscope or similar. But I do care for them: they work themselves to death, and I steal their lifes' work. Still, they get good living conditions! -Norman From sml.sml@posnet.co.uk Sat Mar 11 21:39:35 EST 1995 Article: 1452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!sml.sml From: sml.sml@posnet.co.uk (Sml Sml) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear fencing Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:00:28 GMT Message-ID: <950308230006230@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 45 Hi Lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu, how are you 09-Feb-95 17:32, Lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu wrote to All Subject:bear fencing? L> Could someone with experiance L> comment on the effectivness of this info or direct me to some better? In Finland brown bears have robbed honey and bees from bee colonies over ten years. We have about 45 000 bee colonies and in 1994 we lost 109 colonies to bears. The loss was about 220 000 FIM. We have 600 - 1000 bears in Finland. If we do not have the electrical fencing the loss could be many times higher. In three seasons we have used electrical fencing by three electric wire, battery (rechargeable, 70 AH) and two different energisers trade marks: Olli 16A (Finnish) and Gallegher B 150. Some have also used 220 V input energiser. The beekeepers who have uset electrical fencing have in most cases avoided losses afterwards. In some cases bears have damaged the colonies because the battery was empty or bears have gone under the wires via ditch. Some bears try to dig under the wires but if you place one colony in the middle between posts at « - 1 m from wires they left the posts free and do not succeed damaging colonies. ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from Pekka Peltotalo Sml Sml --- Terminate 1.42b/Pro * Origin: Finnish Beekeepers' Association BeeNet (240:2358/102) From durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk Sat Mar 11 21:39:36 EST 1995 Article: 1453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!penny.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!durk.ellison From: durk.ellison@posnet.co.uk (Durk Ellison) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Test Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:41 GMT Message-ID: <950308230006231@posnet.co.uk> Organization: Positive Place Distribution: world Lines: 203 ============================================================================= * Forwarded by Durk Ellison (240:2358/100) * Area : QUEENBR.BIN * From : Sml Sml, 240:2358/102 (01-Mar-95 09:28:19) * To : All * Subj : Queen test ============================================================================= @MSGID: 240:2358/102 fcf2c6e3 @PID: TerMail 1.42 PROFESSIONAL Hi All, how are you Queen Breeding Comparison, Harvest season: 1994 -!------------------------------------------------------------- written by: P. Peltotalo, SML - Finnish Beekeepers' Association -!------------------------------------------------------------- The Finnish Beekeepers' Association's queen breeding comparison test results of 1994. The supplied queens were placed in their respective hives in the late summer of 1993. Their individual preformence were observed and logged at the Finnish Beekeepers' Association's (SML) queen breeding station throughout the summer of 1994. The study will be continued into the next summer and new groups will be accepted for study after this. Queens for the next study should be supplied at the end of the summer of this year (1995). According to the agreement with the participating queen breeders, the results of the testing that has been done free of charge are public. The suppliers of the queens can choose up to six queens to be studied. Even though only three or four queens where supplied from some of the queen breeders, the study has given a fair amount of information. Notice the changes within the groups (see chart). CRITERIA: The criteria for the continuing study has been established as, swarming tendency, calmness, gentleness and tendency to catch disease which are graded on a scale of from 1 to 5, where 5 is the best. The grading, in practice, has been done by Master Beekeeper Stanislav Honko MS, director of the Finnish Beekeepers' Association's Queen Breeding station located at Jokioinen, Finland. The Index, comparison figure, has been equated by emphasizing the following abilities: swarming 15% calmness 5% gentleness 5% health 15% honey harvest 60% The calculations have been done by using the HoneyWin -program. By measuring the capped brood coverage area during the period of from 14.6 to 17.6.1993, and the average honey harvest (see graph). The measurement could be then be used as an advance pruning system before the final honey harvest. The hive groups marked A - D have been formed from bees that had been previously tested at the station. The hive groups have been placed in the chart, so that the best results are listed first. Queen Breeding comparison, Harvest season: 1994 The Finnish Beekeepers' Association - HoneyWin-program APIARY HIVE QUEEN H% ID PA SP LA RA TA S/N -!------------------------------------------------------------------ Palom„ki (Italian) queens 6 ea. Queen index = 110,5 Myllynkul 91 SP5-93 129.1 120.5 4.0 2.9 4.0 4.5 5.0 Myllynkul 75 SP6-93 149.2 136.6 5.0 2.7 4.5 4.5 5.0 Ven„j„ 38 SP4-93 109.6 102.3 3.0 2.9 3.5 3.5 5.0 Ven„j„ 10 SP2-93 116.6 111.7 4.0 2.4 4.0 4.0 5.0 Ven„j„ 11 SP3-93 91.0 93.9 3.0 2.2 4.5 4.5 5.0 Ven„j„ 6 SP1-93 93.3 97.7 4.0 2.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------ LundŠn (Buckfast) queens 5 ea. Queen index = 106.9 J„rvensuo 78 JL14-93 97.3 99.3 5.0 2.5 3.5 3.0 5.0 J„rvensuo 77 JL13-93 120.6 112.0 4.0 2.8 4.0 4.0 5.0 Siro 85 JL15-93 103.0 102.3 4.5 2.7 3.5 4.0 5.0 Ven„j„ 69 JL12-93 114.3 106.8 4.0 2.1 2.5 3.0 5.0 Ven„j„ 3 JL11-93 119.0 114.1 5.0 2.3 3.0 3.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- A.m. mellifera x Carniolan queens 3 ea. Queen index = 101.4 Kuuma 54 131/93 100.0 100.0 5.0 2.9 2.5 3.0 5.0 Vuoltu 90 134/93 105.1 101.8 4.0 2.8 3.0 3.0 5.0 Vuoltu 39 133/93 111.4 102.3 3.0 3.1 3.5 3.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Group D (Italian) queens 5 ea. Queen index = 100.9 J„rvensuo 92 71/93 95.3 96.1 4.0 2.3 3.5 4.0 5.0 J„rvensuo 72 70/93 85.6 91.2 5.0 2.6 4.0 4.0 4.0 Kangas 67 76/93 108.2 104.8 4.0 1.8 3.0 3.5 5.0 Kangasnie 14 73/93 120.5 111.4 4.0 2.4 4.0 3.5 5.0 Kangasnie 7 MS/93 102.3 101.1 4.0 1.7 4.0 4.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Carniolan x Italian queens 3 ea. Queen index = 100.3 Kotisuo 65 150/93 101.9 101.3 4.0 2.5 3.0 3.0 5.0 Kotisuo 47 148/93 88.5 93.9 4.0 2.0 3.5 3.0 5.0 Kotisuo 28 151/93 105.8 105.8 4.0 3.1 4.0 3.5 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Miesvirta (Carniolan) queens 5 ea. Queen index = 98.8 Kangas 50 PM20-93 112.2 104.7 3.5 3.1 3.0 3.0 5.0 Kangas 37 PM19-93 79.6 90.5 5.0 2.2 3.0 3.0 5.0 Kotisuo 30 PM18-93 88.5 93.4 3.5 2.9 4.0 3.5 5.0 Kotisuo 19 PM17-93 100.0 100.3 3.5 3.2 4.0 3.5 5.0 Kotisuo 9 PM16-93 115.4 105.3 3.0 3.3 3.0 3.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Group A (Italian) queens 4 ea. Queen index = 97.2 J„rvensuo 71 103/93 101.2 101.3 4.5 2.6 3.5 4.0 5.0 Kangasnie 33 86/93 59.1 78.0 5.0 2.1 3.5 4.0 5.0 Kangasnie 41 87/93 118.2 111.7 4.5 2.6 3.5 4.0 5.0 Kangasnie 12 83/93 100.0 97.7 4.0 2.6 3.5 3.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Group B (Italian) queens 4 ea. Queen index = 93.7 Myllynkul 21 108/93 114.8 107.8 3.0 3.0 4.0 4.0 5.0 Urpola 48 109/93 100.0 100.0 4.5 1.6 4.5 4.0 5.0 Uusi 56 128/93 100.0 100.0 5.0 1.6 4.0 4.0 5.0 Ven„j„ 4 107/93 46.6 67.1 5.0 0.7 4.0 4.0 3.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Group C (Italian) queens 4 ea. Queen index = 91.0 Myllynkul 17 145/93 63.1 72.8 4.0 2.4 4.0 4.0 3.0 Siro 43 140/93 97.0 97.7 4.0 2.4 4.0 4.0 5.0 Ven„j„ 89 141/93 109.6 106.1 4.0 1.5 3.5 3.5 5.0 Vuoltu 25 143/93 69.0 87.4 5.0 1.6 4.5 4.0 5.0 -!------------------------------------------------------------------- Meaning of symbols: H% - honey harvest: %-of the apiaries' average harvest ID - rearing index PA - swarming tendency SP - brood coverage area result LA - gentleness RA - calmness TA - susceptibility to diseases (chalkbrood and European foulbrood) Number of Race Queens Index _________________________________________________________________ Palom„ki Italian. 6 110.5 Lunden Buckfast 5 106.9 PxKr A.m. mellifera x Carniolan 3 101.4 Group D Italian 5 100.9 KrxI Carniolan x Italian 3 100.3 Miesvirta Carniolan 5 98.8 Group A Italian 4 97.2 Group B Italian 4 93.7 Group C Italian 4 91.0 -!--------------------------------------------------------------- Capped Brood area and honey harvest correlation Finnish Beekeepers' Association's Queen Breeding Station 1994 Jokioinen, Finland Honey harvest (% apiary average) 160 ³----------------------------------³ ³ . ³ This graph is as accurate 140 ³ ³ as I could reproduce it ³ . ³ given the limitations of 120 ³ .. . . . ´ ASCII. For a more accurate ³ . .. . .... ³ rendition see the Finnish 100 ³ . ... ..... .. ³ Beekeepers Magazine ³ . . . . ³ "Mehil„inen 1,1995 vol:12" 80 ³ . . . ³ ³ . ³ The average can be shown 60 à . . . ³ by drawing a line between ³ ³ 62 on the right and 119 on 40 ³ . ³ the left. ³ ³ 20 ³ ³ ³ ³ 0 ³----------------------------------³ 0.5 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 Capped brood area (per/frame side) -!------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please address your inquires to: SML SML Beenet 240:2358/102 att. P. Peltotalo and/or Pekka Peltotalo Beenet 240:2358/12 .Via 240:2358/101 @19950227.144527 GEcho 1.11+ ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from Sml Sml -!- Terminate 1.42b/Pro - Origin: Finnish Beekeepers' Association BeeNet (240:2358/102) SEEN!BY: 245/100 2358/12 100 101 102 103 104 105 108 109 @PATH: 2358/101 ============================================================================= Hi All, ÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄÄÄ> Best regards from, Durk Ellison. ..... Written offline on 4-Mar-1995 at 15:01 Hrs .!. BEEKEEPERS DO IT with their HONEY on BeeNet --- Terminate 1.51/Pro * Origin: Durk Ellison BeeNet Finland (240:2358/100) From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Mar 11 21:39:39 EST 1995 Article: 1454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Press Date: 11 Mar 1995 12:11:17 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3js415$3cn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Whups, I should have taken a closer look at the plastic foundation before assuming that it might make a suitable press face; it's NOT as I assumed from quick glances at it years ago (I don't like the stuff since it needs a pretty heavy honeyflow to get the bees to draw it out) simply a set of triangles pressed into the plastic (which is what some of my wax foundation essentially is). Rather, it has very pronounced cell rims raised out of a *flat* plastic sheet. Thanks to Dave Alexander for pointing this out. Dave From vaq@ornl.gov Sat Mar 11 21:39:42 EST 1995 Article: 1455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!seismo!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!vaq.win.ornl.gov!vaq From: vaq@ornl.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation Press Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:58:02 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Lines: 11 Distribution: na Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vaq.win.ornl.gov X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) writes: >In John Vivian's book "Keeping Bees", he discribes building a >wax foundation press. John uses a sheet of factory made foundation to form >the face of the die. He uses a mastic called "Wood Putty". However, the water putty mold isn't holding up. >After making a few, the mold is starting to come apart. Bondo might work well. Please post results if you try it. How 'bout plaster of paris with screen wire embedded as a strengthener and coated w/ a lacquer. From owen@rsnz.govt.nz Sun Mar 12 12:42:17 EST 1995 Article: 1456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.cic.net!infoserv.illinois.net!ddsw1!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!hal.COM!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owen@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor construction - any new ideas? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 22:39:45 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz I was thinking about making my own (small) honey extractor and wondered whether there were any articles etc on new ways of making extractors, eg * making the shaft horizontal * making the outside out of a flexible material so the whole thing could fold up * using one of those Black & Decker Workmates (those portable benches) as bases etc etc; also anything on the physical requirements (eg what speed is required to get honet out of the comb?) Anyone done anything like this? _______________________________________________ Owen Watson, The Royal Society of New Zealand Web server: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/ From jlks@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 12 21:45:24 EST 1995 Article: 1457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!jlks From: jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mold? Date: 12 Mar 1995 21:30:38 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3jvp5u$mce@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: homer10.u.washington.edu The bottom chamber of my hive is plagued by mold. I have the whole hive tilted heavily forward so that the rain doesn't get in, but nevertheless, there must be some build-up, because the whitish and greenish mold covers the bottom of the frames as well as a scattering of cells. The bees abandoned it altogether and moved upstairs, so I just removed that hive body, but I'm worried that I've just made new trouble for the next story. Any suggestions? Jordan L.K. Schwartz ! University of Washington JLKS@U.WASHINGTON.EDU ! Department of Psychology http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/jordan.html From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Mon Mar 13 11:37:22 EST 1995 Article: 1458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!news.bc.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mold? Date: 13 Mar 1995 05:44:22 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3k0m3m$56t@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3jvp5u$mce@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line13.nwm.mindlink.net I have had mold in weak hives, as you discuss, and most often on old comb which gives you a good excuse to get rid of it. Since I started using a combination of top and bottom entrances in winter, it hasn't been a problem and maybe caused by just a lack of air ciruclation. Make some allowance for cirulation by opening the top a bit, and that should help. From bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca Sat Mar 18 22:43:51 EST 1995 Article: 1459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!CommSet From: bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca (Beth Nixon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 13:16:26 AST Organization: Stone Brook Products Lines: 18 Message-ID: <950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnixon.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: CommSet NewsReader Ver: 01 Rev: 0033 On Tue, 14 Mar 1995 02:16:35 GMT, grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com writes: > >A friend of mine who is also a bee keeper is using pressuse treated >lumber for his bottom boards this year. I don't think that it is a good >idea seeing as the whole idea of pressure treated is to keep bugs out of >it. Does anyone else have an opinion or facts about this. > Gary Welzenbach Hi Gary! I will be very interested in what you find out!! We've thought about pressure treated lumber for bottom boards, as ours have all rotten. This year we have compromised though and have cedar bottom boards, has anyone else tried them? I know a book I have says that I shouldn't use cedar as although it will not cause the bees to vacate that it will frustrate them. If anyone has an opinion on cedar bottom boards or other wood equipment I'd be interested to hear any opinions or facts about this!! Beth Nixon bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Mar 18 22:43:52 EST 1995 Article: 1460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:04:59 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3k4lsb$bjo@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca>, Beth Nixon wrote: >I know a book I have says that I shouldn't use cedar as although it will not >cause the bees to vacate that it will frustrate them. If anyone has an >opinion on cedar bottom boards or other wood equipment I'd be interested to >hear any opinions or facts about this!! I have some cedar bottom boards that are awesome! Cypress is used as material too. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sat Mar 18 22:43:53 EST 1995 Article: 1461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: 14 Mar 1995 20:32:01 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3k4ug1$d2t@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Gary Welzenbach (grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com) wrote: : A friend of mine who is also a bee keeper is using pressuse treated : lumber for his bottom boards this year. I don't think that it is a good : idea seeing as the whole idea of pressure treated is to keep bugs out of : it. Does anyone else have an opinion or facts about this. : Gary Welzenbach I've used 3/4 exterior grade plywood for two seasons now without perceivable ill-effect. My understanding is that they propolize everything anyway... Dave P.S. Keeping the hive off the ground (use bricks or blocks or something) will help to minimize rot and insect damage. From fgt@cadre.com Sat Mar 18 22:43:54 EST 1995 Article: 1462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!cadre!news Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Beekeepers of Wadi Du'an Message-ID: From: fgt@cadre.com (Fred G. Thurber) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:32:25 GMT Reply-To: fgt@cadre.com Sender: news@cadre.com (News Account) Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cadre.cadre.com Lines: 19 The January-Febuary issue of Aramco World has a wonderful article about nomadic beekepers in Yemen and their use of terracotta hives. This also describes some of the most exotic, and most exspensive at $100 or more a comb section, honey in the world. --- Frederick Thurber fgt@cadre.com "I did not think I should ever stand on a platform again until the time was come for me to say, 'I die innocent...'" Mark Twain introducing a letter to Thomas Nash From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 22:43:55 EST 1995 Article: 1463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!zib-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for images and info on 16century Beekeeping! Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:37:56 +0000 Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 Hi! I'm looking for references, images and general info on beekeeping in the 16th century for a living history display. I've got a few leads from IBRA and a brilliant bookshop owner in Hay on Wye, but a little Net help would not go amiss! Yours Mike Reddy -- P.S. I would have had a witty signature, but the Government put VAT on it! Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk OR mreddy@glamorgan.ac.uk Web (coming soon!): http://sal9000.comp.glam.ac.uk/ Snail Mail: Mike Reddy, J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK Tel: +44 (0)443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)443 482 715 P.P.S. Glamorgan University: Top of the League! Applications up 57% this year! Yours Mike Reddy -- P.S. I would have had a witty signature, but the Government put VAT on it! Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk OR mreddy@glamorgan.ac.uk Web (coming soon!): http://sal9000.comp.glam.ac.uk/ Snail Mail: Mike Reddy, J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK Tel: +44 (0)443 482 240 Fax: +44 (0)443 482 715 P.P.S. Glamorgan University: Top of the League! Applications up 57% this year! From ted@dme.nt.gov.au Sat Mar 18 22:43:57 EST 1995 Article: 1464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!munnari.oz.au!pellew.ntu.edu.au!dewey!ted From: ted@dme.nt.gov.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heather honey Date: 15 Mar 1995 00:25:25 GMT Organization: Northern Territory Department of Mines & Energy Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3k5c5l$b3i@pellew.ntu.edu.au> Reply-To: ted@dme.nt.gov.au NNTP-Posting-Host: dewey.dme.nt.gov.au Oh, well Hoping that someone would be able to say something about the availability of heather honey in Australia was too much to ask for. With regrets, goodbye. Ted Findhammer From tuckey@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Mar 18 22:43:58 EST 1995 Article: 1465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.bc.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: Charles Tuckey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: 15 Mar 1995 16:16:14 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3k73se$b8e@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gg.cpsc.ucalgary.ca When I was beekeeping we built hundreds of hives. We surface treated every bottom board with a wood perservative (I forget the name of it now). We didn't have any bee loss problems arising from this. charlie From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Mar 18 22:43:59 EST 1995 Article: 1466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_3/95 Date: 16 Mar 1995 12:24:24 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 243 Message-ID: <3k9alo$h41@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: March _APIS_ Keywords: apis bee beekeeping sanford honey Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 18:22:15 -0500 From: "Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Florida Extension Apiculturist" Subject: March Issue of APIS FILENAME: MARAPIS.95 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 13, Number 3, March 1995 Copyright (c) 1995 M.T. Sanford "All Rights Reserved" FOCUS ON POLLINATION In November 1993, I wrote that commercial pollination might become a growth industry as more beekeepers abandoned the craft due to declining profit margins and Varroa mites killing off much of the wild honey bee population. Corroboration for this was provided in the January 1994 APIS, which discussed citrus growers' concerns about the pollination of certain specialty varieties. The trend seems to be continuing as more and more beekeepers are considering providing this service. Uniform advice taken from panels at meetings I have attended is that a quality pollination service takes commitment. The beekeeper must always be ready to get bees in and move them out of fields with very short notice, and some kind of a backup plan should be in place in the very real case that things go wrong. One must also develop a long-term personal relationship based on trust with the customer. A key to this is communication. Successful pollinators are regularly in contact with customers, even during the off season. They send out reminders and make phone calls in advance of the coming season to try to assess their capabilities and the growers' needs. One outfit writes a newsletter that includes information on a wide variety of topics. For those thinking of entering the pollination game, it is of utmost importance to solicit advice from colleagues actively doing this for a living. I was happy to see in a recent issue of the newsletter of the South Carolina Beekeepers Association some valuable pollination tips by David Green, publisher of the Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, P.O. Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 "Pollination service is an alternative use of honeybees. You need to note that word alternative, because, in order to do pollination, you will have to manage the bees differently, and you are going to give up some or all of your honey production. Considering the shape of our markets for honey, and the almost desperate need of our farmers for more bees, I consider this good decision. An added advantage is that pollination service is more consistent from year to year. Honey production is a much greater gamble. "Many beekeepers who are just beginning, think they are going to keep on making honey, and they do not figure in the added costs, so they tend to underprice. With current markets, you cannot do an adequate job of managing your bees and provide good service for less than $30-35 per single story hive, per crop. This is just a break-even proposition at that price. The profit comes from doing more than one crop per season. "You need to protect yourself (and your customer, as well) by having a written contract. The two central points that need to be addressed are that you will provide good bees, and that the grower will not hurt them. Then you can deal with other factors such as placement, responsibilities, problems that can arise, liabilities, etc. "Traditionally pollination service has quantified the bees in terms of hives. However, the development is in the direction of numbers of frames of brood. Most almond pollination is done this way today. I use single story brood chambers and guarantee a minimum of five frames of brood at placement, and try to average 6 to 6 1/2. If you use double brood chambers and guarantee, say 12 frames, you should price accordingly (and figure on a forklift to move them). "I also guarantee the bees to be healthy and queenright. They are treated for varroa mites and foulbrood, and selectively bred for resistance to tracheal mites, chalkbrood and other diseases. I agree to open a reasonable number for grower inspection upon delivery, if requested. The contract also indicates grower responsibility to notify me, if there is poor flight, and I agree to replace hives, if more than 5% are substandard, queenless, or have foulbrood. "It would be good to have your grower understand, even if it is not in the contract, that it is important to have not only a minimum standard, but a maximum, as well. An overly strong hive, especially if it is last year's queen, is likely to swarm, and swarmy bees do a poor job of pollination, not only after swarming, but during the week or so ahead, while they are preparing. The best pollination is provided by young queens (I figure 80 - 85% of my queens are this season's) who are laying heavily. This forces the bees to do a lot of pollen gathering. Studies show bees who are deliberately gathering pollen are up to ten times more effective pollinators that those who are gathering nectar. "Very important, for your protection, is a liability limit. Like the seed companies, you cannot guarantee a crop; that depends on too many factors, so, like them, you should limit your liability to the price of the contract. I hold growers liable to an agreed amount for damages to the bees based on things under their control, such as their employee running over the hives with a disc, or burning off hedgerows (they have happened to me). And we split damages that are outside of grower control, such as bear damage, trespasser vandalism, etc. Growers are also responsible to notify others who are at risk of stings, and they assume liability for these. "Placement and timing need to be addressed. The bees need shade, water, and some sort of stand, (trailer, pallets, old tires, etc.). And you may need to be pulled out of a mud hole. "There are two myths that need to be addressed. (A myth is an idea with a germ of truth that has become universalized.) One such myth is to wait until the bloom has started, because the bees may get used to working other plants and neglect the crop. If there is a lot of other bloom, and the crop you are pollinating is a poor nectar source, such as pears or kiwi, the principle can apply. But our melons, cukes and vine crops bloom when there is little else available and the bees will work them just fine, even if you put them in well ahead of bloom. Suppose it rains for a week, just as bloom starts and the farm roads are pools of mud. Better placed six weeks early, than one week late! "Another myth is to distribute the bees. Resist the grower who wants you to place one hive every hundred feet. You have a much harder time taking care of them, and protecting them from fire, etc. The recommendation to distribute the bees arises from places where bees are brought in by tractor trailer and to "distribute" means drop six pallets (24 hives) at each location. The losses from bumping around a rough field more than offset any gain that would be made by placing them around the field every so many feet. Put the bees in a favorable spot with a good road to it. They will easily cover one half mile. I have studied this a lot! "The last serious issue to address is pesticide use (or misuse). The grower should be taught to monitor for foraging bees as the label requires. With the newer, non-residual pesticides that are most often used today, the only protection the bees need is that the grower not apply during the time bees are actually foraging. The grower should understand that compliance with label directions is required by law and by the contract, and is sufficient protection for the bees. Residual pesticides such as Penncap M, Sevin, or any of the organophosphates should never be used during bloom. The label clearly marks them as residual. "If you ask the growers to notify you before applications, you will be doing a lot of chasing, and mostly to no avail. I used to have growers call me. I'd go, prepared to "protect" the bees, and the weather would prevent application that day. How many days do I need to wait? Or the grower needs to spray, and I am away for a few days and he cannot reach me. Notification does not work for either beekeepers or growers and those who make pesticide recommendations have done a great disservice by promoting this as a way to circumvent compliance with label directions. "I am aware of a case where a grower died, and his son (and heir) locked the gates to the farm. He claimed the bees were his and he was not going to let them go. A good contract would have protected the beekeeper. The beekeeper resorted to a risky "solution." He watched the farm, until he noted one of the gates unlocked, sneaked in at night and got the bees. Nothing was said, so he got away with it. But he could have gotten shot." Mr. Green kindly offers to send a copy of his contract upon receipt of a self-addressed stamped envelope (SASE). I also have a sample pollination contract (ENY 110) that I will send upon request. Information for would-be pollinators is scarce. Those in bee research have tended to spend much of their efforts on other aspects of beekeeping, especially diseases and pathogens. Unfortunately, the one best resource, Agriculture Handbook 496, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants, is out of print. Written in 1976 by S.E. McGregor, this publication remains the "pollinator's bible." In the southeast we are fortunate that Georgia has recently (July 1994) published, Bee Pollination of Georgia Crop Plants, authored by K.S. Delaplane, P.A. Thomas and W.J. McLaurin. It contains information on honey bees and other pollinating bees, and pollination requirements for apple, blueberry, cantaloupe, cucumber, squash, watermelon and others. It is available from the Extension Entomology, Georgia Cooperative Extension Service, University of Georgia request, Barrow Hall, Athens, GA 30602. Over the years, I have also published articles on citrus and watermelon pollination, as well as another on cucurbits. The former two are on CD ROM available through local Cooperative Extension Offices. The latter was published in the 1993 Proceedings of the IFAS Vine Crops Institute, Special Series Report SSHOS-3, edited by G. Hochmuth. A HONEY OF A BIBLIOGRAPHY I have had a flurry of questions recently about honey. Although happy to help answer these, I often refer people to one of the best resources the beekeeping industry has provided, the National Honey Board. The beekeeping industry pays assessments on honey sales to implement this honey promotion effort. For an evaluation of the National Honey Board's efforts, see the February 1995 APIS. Resources about honey produced by the Board include a video tape called Just Add Honey and a large database of recipes, many of which are used in its promotional activities. To contact the Board, call 1-800-553-7162 and ask about the availability of these for local fairs, shows and other events. The Board's Honey Technology Program also publishes a database (available on diskette in several different computer formats) titled "International Honey Bibliography and Abstracts." This bibliograpy covers a huge array of topics, including the honey industry, honey composition and characteristics, and food and non- food industry honey use. Persons interested in this bibliography should contact the Honey Hotline 1-800-356-5941, Monday-Friday, 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time. The hotline is also available for practically any question concerning honey, although it primarily was set up to answer questions from foodservice organizations. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm Copyright (c) M.T. Sanford 1995 "All Rights Reserved" -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sat Mar 18 22:44:00 EST 1995 Article: 1467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Cleaning beeswax "sculpture". Message-ID: <1995Mar16.122507.3480@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:25:07 GMT Lines: 9 Recently someone posted a question here about cleaning a beeswax sculpture or model. If you're still interested please contact me by email. The original article has expired at my site. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu Sat Mar 18 22:44:01 EST 1995 Article: 1468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nntp.cac.washington.edu!news.uoregon.edu!oregon.uoregon.edu!KEANCL From: keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning hive. Date: 15 Mar 1995 01:04:17 GMT Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3k5eeh$o7s@pith.uoregon.edu> Reply-To: keancl@oregon.uoregon.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu Hi there, A friend of mine just gave me a hive to use. This is my first attempt at beekeeping and I'm curious about cleaning the hive. The original occupants of this hive dissapeared. I am not sure if it was to do with no attention from the beekeeper or some parasite. The hive has been vacant for about 3 years and has a lot of little tiny insects running around in it. They are maybe only 1 mm long. They seem to have done some damage to the wood foundation frames. My questions are: Is the hive salvageable? Is it better to just replace the frames than bother with cleaning them? Are these insects a problem to the frames than bother with cleaning them? Are these insects a problem to Any suggestions or stories of your experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul Cauthorn From chapleau@scuzzy.fmmo.ca Sat Mar 18 22:44:02 EST 1995 Article: 1469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!clouso.crim.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!chapleau From: chapleau@scuzzy.fmmo.ca (Jean-Pierre Chapleau) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cedar bottom boards Date: 16 Mar 1995 10:24:22 GMT Organization: Praline on the RISE @ FMMO Inc. in Sherbrooke, QC CAN Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3k93km$hjh@scuzzy.fmmo.ca> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: scuzzy.fmmo.ca I used canadian cedar (thuya occidentalis) for bottom boards for many years. Most of my bottom boards are painted but a good number (40 out of 550) are not. The bees do not seem to be bothered. I was also unsure of the result when I built them. Still I wonder if I should use cedar for other hive parts. I would like to use cedar for small mating nucs but I am afraid to do so. I was thinking of soaking them in hot paraffin (NZ technique) to reduce the odor coming out of the wood. I am curious to see other beekeepers's opinions. Jean-Pierre Chapleau eleveur d'abeilles reines Quebec, Canada chapleau@scuzzy.fmmo.ca -- ÿWPC  ÀG{Ö0¢.ò[Ò‡/ã¯[²é5O‹Ï Á€B[ô÷rkO/ÑáGz—¸EùÆïXnm`zc)0 ›•Ú¤R#=V5˜žÎ!ªö ¹¶»ÚÉ^ü AòI#ík[0\ÎUUÌü¸ Ñý(>È1gg?›óìI)"ß"‚èN¤#Úÿô‡‘Ûõ‹-ßQ From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sat Mar 18 22:44:03 EST 1995 Article: 1470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Kevin Ormerod Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (KEVIN) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com><950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:15:49 GMT Lines: 17 Dr. Keith Delaplane, a well known beekeeper from the University of Georgia, recommends treating the hive bodies, bottom boards, and hive stands with copper napthanate to prevent rot. Most of the damage to woodenware is probably the result of moisture, and mildew -- not bug infestation (like termites, ants, or wax moths). Kevin Ormerod >A friend of mine who is also a bee keeper is using pressuse treated >lumber for his bottom boards this year. I don't think that it is a good >idea seeing as the whole idea of pressure treated is to keep bugs out of >it. Does anyone else have an opinion or facts about this. > Gary Welzenbach From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sat Mar 18 22:44:04 EST 1995 Article: 1471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Cleaning beeswax crafts Message-ID: <1995Mar17.135440.3673@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:54:40 GMT Lines: 77 Recently Michael Lewis ($lewis@brandonu.ca) asked: "Recently, a church in our area found a nativity scene made out of beeswax. The person that found it believes that the set is very old,and it is generally in good condition except that it was stored were it got dirty and some stains due to water. My family makes beeswax crafts so the church asked us how to clean the wax. They had already tried scrubbing with soap and water, but this was not effective. We could not think of any other suggestions, as we have never tried to clean wax before. If anyone has any suggestions for cleaning the wax, I would appreciate it. The church wants very badly to save this antique, but just can't seem to get it clean." (Thanks to Adam and Hans for both retrieving the above and sending it to me after it expired at my site.) I tried to reply by email but it bounced (due to a wrong reply-to address) so I'm posting it here in the hope that Michael Lewis will see it. Michael, You recently asked on sci.agriculture.beekeeping about cleaning a nativity scene made of beeswax. Last night I attended our local beekeeping association meeting at which there was a speaker on beeswax modelling. He's very good; wins national competitions etc., and has a science teaching background, so I think he knows what he's talking about. He was puzzled by my description of your problem. Most things which are soluable in water are not soluable in wax and vice versa. Are you sure that this is water damage? I'm assuming here that the stain is dissolved in the wax. If not, I would have expected it to wash off with soapy water. Not knowing more, and assuming it is a real antique, I would say don't do anything else before getting professional advice. Have you got a local museum? They might be able to help you with identification and an indication of value or refer you to someone else who could. You may even be able to get some help with the cleaning problem. There is also a philosophical side to this. For most people who collect and care about old things, part of the appeal and interest is that they are old, and old things are often blemished. It doesn't necessarily devalue the object as a collector's item, particularly if it's very rare. It may be that the article is of historical or scientific significance. In this case it could even be that the "dirt" is itself important. As far as the Church is concerned there is also, presumably, an educational or propaganda value to the item and it may well be that in their eyes this value is reduced by the stains. In this case a judgement has to be made. Is it more important to the Church as a collector's item, a piece of history or a religious artefact? Once you've decided what you want to do there might be more I could suggest. My step-son is an antique restorer and may have some suggestions as well. He doesn't live near to me but we often talk on the phone. Most of the tests I can think of are potentially destructive so I think they're best left till later. What you could do first is try to establish if the stain, or whatever it is, is superficial or extends beneath the surface. Scraping in an inconspicuous place would do but I suggest you use a bright light from behind the wax first and see what you can see. Also, use a magnifying glass. Is the dirt just a stain or is it formed of particles like dust or sand? If you want to take this further feel free to get in touch with me and and let me know some more details. Best wishes, M. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ibra@matheson.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 18 22:44:05 EST 1995 Article: 1472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: ibra@matheson.demon.co.uk (ibra) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!matheson.demon.co.uk!ibra Subject: Re: scottish heather honey References: <3j693k$6vo@pellew.ntu.edu.au> Organization: None Reply-To: ibra@matheson.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 35 X-Posting-Host: matheson.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:28:00 +0000 Message-ID: <147117395wnr@matheson.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article: <3j693k$6vo@pellew.ntu.edu.au> ted@dme.nt.gov.au (Ted Findhammer) writes: > Australia does not have heather, and thus not what is-to my taste-the > most beautiful honey in the world: heather honey. > I know it from home (Holland) and Germany. In both countries it is > becoming rare, and very expensive. > Australia prefers to import from the UK. Scotland has wonderful > expanses of heather. Is there Scottish heather honey, and is it > exported to Australia? > Yes, Scotland indeed does have heather honey and it is possible that some is exported to Australia. However, you might be able to get some closer from closer to home. The ling heather plant (Calluna vulgaris) was introduced to New Zealand last century and honey is produced from it there and exported (including to Europe). Remember to observe all quarantine regulations if importing honey privately. > -- ****************************************************************************** * From Andrew Matheson, Director, International Bee Research Association * * ibra@matheson.demon.co.uk * * * * Any replies to this message will be read only by me. If you want to leave * * a message for anyone else in IBRA, or one which will be handled in my * * absence, please contact ibra@cardiff.ac.uk * * * * IBRA, 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK * * Fax (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone (+44) 1222-37209 * * * ****************************************************************************** From grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Sat Mar 18 22:44:07 EST 1995 Article: 1473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!tron!usenet From: grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) Subject: Pressure treated lumber Message-ID: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Organization: wec X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 02:16:35 GMT Lines: 5 A friend of mine who is also a bee keeper is using pressuse treated lumber for his bottom boards this year. I don't think that it is a good idea seeing as the whole idea of pressure treated is to keep bugs out of it. Does anyone else have an opinion or facts about this. Gary Welzenbach From cappaert@umich.edu Sat Mar 18 22:44:08 EST 1995 Article: 1474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!pm002-24.dialip.mich.net!user From: cappaert@umich.edu (David Cappaert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in 1995 Date: 18 Mar 1995 12:50:54 GMT Organization: School of Natural Resources, UM Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm002-24.dialip.mich.net I haven't kept bees for several years, since my last colonies were wiped out by AFB. I would like to start a couple of colonies this spring. A couple of questions: - What do I need to pay attention to now, of those problems emerging in the last few years. Is Varroa mite control simple? Are there other pathogens or parasites to deal with? Any publications to recommend? - Any ideas on where I can get package bees for this sping? Thanks for any insights. From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 22:44:09 EST 1995 Article: 1475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm control Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:07:44 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3kc53g$7ku@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk What would happen if you organised your hive like this: roof super(s) excluder brood excluder super floor ? The idea being that (1) incoming bees could dump their shopping in the lowest super, without having to go through an excluder (that might strip pollen from their legs) and (2) the queens would not be able to get out to swarm. (You'd have to remove the lower excluder after swarming season to let drones out.) Are virgin queens small enough to get through an excluder? -Norman From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Mar 18 22:44:10 EST 1995 Article: 1476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Royal Jelly Date: 18 Mar 1995 20:11:19 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3kfep7$k6v@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Hello, grafting season is rapidly approaching I'm in need of a vial of royal jelly. I split an order with a kind soul last year (actually the two vials were given to me : quite kind) and haven't even thought about grafting till now. Does anyone have a vial they don't need? Vial = about ~ 25 ml. Who supplies that good old Chinese jelly we all use to make our queens? Is it Mann Lake? Please let me know, I'd ask for email only, but it's been so quiet why not post? thanks, Adam PS re: varroa resistant bees: the _only_ bees documented to show grooming behavior, were found in a population of ~800 colonies. If you have colonies that are thriving, mark the queens and track their production. If they still look good in year 2, and the marked queens are there, then you might have something. -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Sat Mar 18 22:44:12 EST 1995 Article: 1477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm control Date: 19 Mar 1995 01:47:01 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3kg2el$pnr@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3kc53g$7ku@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Norman R. Paterson (nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk) wrote: : What would happen if you organised your hive like this: : roof : super(s) : excluder : brood : excluder : super : floor : ? The idea being that (1) incoming bees could dump their shopping in : the lowest super, without having to go through an excluder (that might : strip pollen from their legs) and (2) the queens would not be able to : get out to swarm. (You'd have to remove the lower excluder after : swarming season to let drones out.) : Are virgin queens small enough to get through an excluder? : -Norman Norm, You can probably obtain the same results simply by adding another entrance to the upper supers without having to put the brood over that bottom super. You are just making yourself work harder, having to lift all that extra weight to get to that bottom super. Yes, virgin queens can go thru excluders. I've seen it happen. Jerry worrell From ckno01@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Mar 18 22:44:17 EST 1995 Article: 1478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!ugls2.cs.auckland.ac.nz!user From: ckno01@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Candour) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: 19 Mar 1995 03:14:42 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <3k73se$b8e@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ugls2.cs.auckland.ac.nz In article <3k73se$b8e@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, Charles Tuckey wrote: > When I was beekeeping we built hundreds of hives. We surface > treated every bottom board with a wood perservative (I forget > the name of it now). We didn't have any bee loss problems > arising from this. I just coat the wooden parts of my hives with Metalex, (I think I spelt that right). After leaving the parts to dry I paint the outer surfaces and I haven't had any problems. From ckno01@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Mar 18 22:44:18 EST 1995 Article: 1479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!decwrl!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!ugls2.cs.auckland.ac.nz!user From: ckno01@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Candour) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mold? Date: 19 Mar 1995 03:25:21 GMT Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3jvp5u$mce@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ugls2.cs.auckland.ac.nz In article <3jvp5u$mce@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, jlks@u.washington.edu (Jordan Schwartz) wrote: > The bottom chamber of my hive is plagued by mold. I have the whole hive > tilted heavily forward so that the rain doesn't get in, but nevertheless, > there must be some build-up, because the whitish and greenish mold > covers the bottom of the frames as well as a scattering of cells. The > bees abandoned it altogether and moved upstairs, so I just removed that > hive body, but I'm worried that I've just made new trouble for the next > story. Any suggestions? Well I don't know what weather conditions you have over there, but conditions permitting you could try putting something like a nail or match between the top box and the ceiling or roof just to give a gap of a few milimeters. This allows ventilation and helps to dry up some of the condensation in the hive. Plus, do you have a small hole in the ceiling mat that allows the moist air to rise into the area between the hive mat and the roof. Then the moisture shouldn't condensate on the hive mat as much. From ENCX08A@prodigy.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:50 EST 1995 Article: 1480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!prodigy.com!usenet From: ENCX08A@prodigy.com (Steve Burt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm control Date: 18 Mar 1995 01:49:43 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3kde7n$1btg@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Norman (and countless readers!), Your ideas are fascinating. My sense is that the bees would have other notions, though, of putting the honey above, rather than below, and the extra excluder and brood barrier might well produce congestion, not surplus honey. Congested bees during the spring will usually releive their crowded state by initiation of swarming. Still, any new idea is worth at least a modest try. My swarm control activities involve removal of some capped brood from the powerful colonies to give to weaker units and relocation upward of at least some brood comb to the third or fourth deep super during May and June, keeping the brood nest somewhat open while the colony strengthens. Stocking cell-builder colonies with excess spring bees can cool down swarming while leading to queen replacement with nice young queens -- a further swarm reduction tactic for those colonies that just won't quit. I also cut queen cells and save some of the best quality ones, as they produce very large queens almost immediately if placed in nucleus boxes. I keep my bees in a populous suburb of Detroit, Michigan, USA, where swarming would cause me lots of "people" problems. The answer: I don't permit my bees to swarm if at all possible, no matter how heroic my effort. Besides, bees that don't swarm make very much more honey, and produce it much earlier in the season, which makes for a lighter color and milder flavor. Best wishes, Steve Burt From cconroy@zippy.mv.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:51 EST 1995 Article: 1481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: cconroy@zippy.mv.com (Chris Conroy) Subject: Spring cleaning question Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.mv.com Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3761] Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Organization: MV Communications, Inc. X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.5@zippy.mv.com Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:23:23 GMT References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <950314131626.B5651E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> <3k93km$hjh@scuzzy.fmmo.ca> Lines: 16 Hi all, My wife and I checked out our only hive this morning. Nice weather here in NH. There is a surprising amount of honey left over (we're first year beekeepers). The size of the hive seems pretty healthy, and we did see some new brood. On one or two frames, we saw some whitish crystal-like things in some of the comb. There is no brood, and I don't believe there is any capped honey on any of these frames. Any ideas what it might be? I took a picture of it, if there aren't any ideas I could get it scanned make it available here for diagnosis. Chris Conroy cconroy@zippy.mv.com Mecca-lecca-hi-lecca-hiney-ho! From pyro@chopin.udel.edu Fri Mar 24 21:31:53 EST 1995 Article: 1482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: pyro@chopin.udel.edu (Thomas Rich Schwerdt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:07:50 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ki9vm$eij@chopin.udel.edu> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu In article <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com>, Gary Welzenbach wrote: >A friend of mine who is also a bee keeper is using pressuse treated >lumber for his bottom boards this year. I don't think that it is a good >idea seeing as the whole idea of pressure treated is to keep bugs out of >it. Does anyone else have an opinion or facts about this. There has been a continuing thread on Rec.gardens about this very topic. Apparently, pressure treating lumber involves forcing large quantities of arsenic (VERY toxic to just about everyting, including people) into the wood by using high pressure -- hence the "friendly" name of "pressure treated." I personally would not want to eat anything that was located near pressure treated lumber. Use cedar. -Tom the Melaniephile From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:54 EST 1995 Article: 1483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Pressure Treated Wood Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:09:28 GMT Lines: 8 From the "Consumer Information & Handling Guide for OSMOSE Pressure Treated Wood". "DO NOT USE TREATED WOOD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE PORTIONS OF BEEHIVES WHICH MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE HONEY." FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CALL 1-800 522 WOOD From jblount@picosof.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:55 EST 1995 Article: 1484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!emerald.oz.net!Sequoia.picosof.com!picosof From: jblount@picosof.com (Jesse Blount) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Renting bee hives in northern California Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:04:54 GMT Organization: Marketing Consultants, Ltd. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3kcid5$npk@Sequoia.picosof.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jblount.picosof.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 I live in northern California, near the city of Santa Cruz, and I have an orchard of 18 apple trees that has suffered from lack of pollenation over the past several years. I would like to be able to rent 3-5 bee hives for a month or so to see if this will improve my apple yield this year. Can anyone tell me: 1. Is this an appropriate news group in which to post this message? 2. Are you aware of any people, businesses, etc. in this part of California who could fill this request? I can be reached by e-mail at "jblount@picosof.com" but since your news group is not that large, I will also continue to monitor it for responses as well. Thanks in advance for your help. -Jesse- ================================================================ Marketing Consultants, Ltd. Telephone: (408) 336-8000 277 Hillside Avenue Facsimile: (408) 336-2016 Ben Lomond, CA E-mail: jblount@picosof.com 95005 CompuServe: 73075,1411 ================================================================ From Delcanto@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:56 EST 1995 Article: 1485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: Delcanto@ix.netcom.com (Leon Delcanto) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Searching for Directory of Beekeepers in the USA Date: 21 Mar 1995 01:27:23 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3kla1r$qt2@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-23.ix.netcom.com I am representing a Company interested in purchasing honey from the US. We would like to get a directory of beekepers with product enough for exporting. I will appreciate very much e-mail addresses. Please answer to Fdelcanto@mcimail.com From ENCX08A@prodigy.com Fri Mar 24 21:31:58 EST 1995 Article: 1486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ENCX08A@prodigy.com (Steve Burt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring cleaning question Date: 21 Mar 1995 03:44:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3kli2l$1o8g@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Dear Chris, Sounds from what you describe as though you have some granulated honey remaining in the comb, in places where the bees have already uncapped the cells and eaten the liquid goods. This would not be surprising, given that the honey had all winter to crystallize, and temperatures on the low side, such as in the 50s Farenheit, really favor the honey turning to solid sugar. If this is what is going on, you have nothing to fear, as the bees can liquify this sugared honey if necessary, or may well clean out the cells. I'm curous to see what the beekeeping fraternity comes up with as far as alternative answers to your question. Sure is nice to have an early spring here in southeast Michigan. The bees have already gone to town on silver maples, storing some honey and lots of pollen. The Apistan really whacked my Varroa, which was threatening to kill all my bees! Best wishes, STEVE BURT ENCX08A@prodigy.com From 71202.2712@CompuServe.COM Fri Mar 24 21:31:59 EST 1995 Article: 1487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!lionel.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: JP Bailhe <71202.2712@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Relative Brain Size Date: 21 Mar 1995 07:38:18 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3klvpa$m1g$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> It is said that of the three castes, workers have the largest brain as determined by brain to body ratio. I wonder, however, if this is correct. Queens are made large by the storage of huge numbers of eggs, sperm, and the acquisition of body mass to provide the energy necessary to lay a couple thousand eggs a day. Virgin Queens, for example, yet to be enlarged for reproduction, might then have a comparatively bigger brain than workers. Does anybody know whether this has ever been examined and if so, do workers still come out with larger brains? Jacques Bailhe, 71202.2712@compuserve.com -- JP Bailhe 71202.2712@compuserve.com From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:00 EST 1995 Article: 1488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!mah48d Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Message-ID: From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:11:42 -0500 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <3ki9vm$eij@chopin.udel.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Lines: 24 In article <3ki9vm$eij@chopin.udel.edu>, pyro@chopin.udel.edu (Thomas Rich Schwerdt) wrote: > There has been a continuing thread on Rec.gardens about this very topic. > Apparently, pressure treating lumber involves forcing large quantities > of arsenic (VERY toxic to just about everyting, including people) > into the wood by using high pressure -- hence the "friendly" name of > "pressure treated." I personally would not want to eat anything that was > located near pressure treated lumber. Use cedar. Last time I checked on wood-treatment formulations, they were either organics (chlorinated phenolics, that sort of thing) or tin-based, and not arsenic-based compositions. This could vary with the particular vendor of treated wood, but I suspect getting approval to sell something treated with arsenic might be difficult today, making non-arsenical compositions a lot more attractive economically to the manufacturer. Of course, I'm not all that keen on chlorinated phenolics or tin compounds in my honey, either! -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From Swehe@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:01 EST 1995 Article: 1489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: Swehe@ix.netcom.com (Susan Wehe) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: 23 Mar 1995 03:11:22 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3kqosq$mgu@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <3kmm7l$514@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-san1-12.ix.netcom.com In <3kmm7l$514@crcnis3.unl.edu> jchamber@unlinfo.unl.edu (Jeff M Chambers) writes: > > I am interested in starting a bee colony(??) this spring in our >orchard. Would be interested in in beginning information on >establishing this. > > As you may be able to tell I'm starting from scratch on >information about beekeeping. > >Thanks in advance, > >Jeff Chambers >Adams, Nebraska > > I am looking at adding a bee hive to my orchard and garden area and am also only a beginner. Any information would be appreciated. From rainer.born@iwp.uni-linz.ac.at Fri Mar 24 21:32:03 EST 1995 Article: 1490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!alijku06!news!k270270 From: k270270@pop.uni-linz.ac.at (Rainer Born) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information about South-Africa wanted Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 12:03:09 GMT Organization: iwp Lines: 12 Message-ID: Reply-To: rainer.born@iwp.uni-linz.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Host: quadrarb.iwp.uni-linz.ac.at X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 A friend of mine is looking for informations about South Africa (history, geography, population, apartheid-system,......). English answers are prefered. Thanks in advance. Elfriede ---------------------------- Please give your answer to Karl.Pfeiffer@iwp.uni-linz.ac.at (This is in Austria, Europe) Thank you Karl From jchamber@unlinfo.unl.edu Fri Mar 24 21:32:05 EST 1995 Article: 1491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!jchamber From: jchamber@unlinfo.unl.edu (Jeff M Chambers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQ? Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:01:25 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3kmm7l$514@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am interested in starting a bee colony(??) this spring in our orchard. Would be interested in in beginning information on establishing this. As you may be able to tell I'm starting from scratch on information about beekeeping. Thanks in advance, Jeff Chambers Adams, Nebraska From marjorie@netcom.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:06 EST 1995 Article: 1492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!marjorie From: marjorie@netcom.com (Marjorie Rosen) Subject: Re: Renting bee hives in northern California Message-ID: Organization: The Rosen Home X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3kcid5$npk@Sequoia.picosof.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 07:09:15 GMT Lines: 35 Sender: marjorie@netcom9.netcom.com Jesse Blount (jblount@picosof.com) wrote: : I live in northern California, near the city of Santa Cruz, and I have : an orchard of 18 apple trees that has suffered from lack of : pollenation over the past several years. I would like to be able to : rent 3-5 bee hives for a month or so to see if this will improve my : apple yield this year. : Can anyone tell me: : 1. Is this an appropriate news group in which to post this : message? : 2. Are you aware of any people, businesses, etc. in this : part of California who could fill this request? : I can be reached by e-mail at "jblount@picosof.com" but since your : news group is not that large, I will also continue to monitor it for : responses as well. : Thanks in advance for your help. : -Jesse- : ================================================================ : Marketing Consultants, Ltd. Telephone: (408) 336-8000 : 277 Hillside Avenue Facsimile: (408) 336-2016 : Ben Lomond, CA E-mail: jblount@picosof.com : 95005 CompuServe: 73075,1411 : ================================================================ Why not check the Yellow Pages and call several apiaries? I'll bet that you could make some kind of arrangement. Let us know what happens. Marjorie From danb@blkbox.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:07 EST 1995 Article: 1493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: drone laying worker Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:19:06 -600 (CST) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi people! My 2 hives were already overflowing with brood and bees in early February, so I stuck 3 frames of brood of varying stages in a nuc with 2 frames packed with honey and pollen. I saw a small queen cell being built and left it hoping they would make their own queen. The small size should have warned me...I now have a worker or sterile layer. Can't locate anything resembling a queen, so I assume there is a worker doing this. I stuck them all in a 2 super hive with a bunch of new brood, more bees, and more honey and pollen a couple weeks ago. Today I had a look and there is a BIG queen cell capped and hanging from a bottom frame. When she emerges, will the worker stop laying? Or will the worker kill the queen? Or will the two co-exist? My wait and see policy dosen't seem to be working, so I thought I'd make a preemptive strike... -Cynthia in Houston From prattrd@pto.ford.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:08 EST 1995 Article: 1494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!tc1941.pto.ford.com!prattrd From: prattrd@pto.ford.com (Rob Pratt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hornets, Wasp, Bee Name...? Date: 21 Mar 1995 16:01:21 GMT Organization: ECC at Ford Motor Company, Dearborn Michigan Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3kmt8h$ake@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1941.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi. This may not necessarily be the correct place to ask this but as I can find no other place in the net with anything even remote to my question, I figured I'd try here. Anyway, long story short, friend and I were discussing various insects and had remembered hearing of one that actually hunts down spiders. This Wasp (or Hornet or Bee) actually gets itself trapped in webs on purpose and then attacks the Spider - laying its eggs inside of it after stinging the spider. The eggs then eventually hatch and the larva eat the host. Can any of you tell me the name of this insect? I am not sure but it may be some type of African or South American hornet. Also, can anyone give me a rundown of the major differneces between Wasps and Hornets? We know the differences between them and bees...(the basics anyway) Responses here or at prattrd@tc1952.pto.ford.com are appreciated. I will check here though until April 21st, 1995. Thanks... Robb From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Mar 24 21:32:09 EST 1995 Article: 1495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE POLLEN Date: 24 Mar 1995 12:52:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3kufag$j5q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, Ken Lebo wrote: > > I read an advertisement today in Herbal Health Care, March 1995 issue, >on the advantages of bee pollen in diet. > This has been an ongoing debate. Some claim Pollen to be "wonder food". Others are cynical. So far, nobody has cited specific articles on the value of pollen as a nutritional component. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Fri Mar 24 21:32:12 EST 1995 Article: 1496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!nstn.ns.ca!nntp-user From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sealing Top Feeders Date: 24 Mar 1995 09:00:04 -0400 Organization: NSTN Inc. ICS/Windows Dialup User Lines: 6 Sender: news@nstn.ns.ca Message-ID: <3kufok$c9m@Owl.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.nstn.ns.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 Last winter I build several top feeders. I sealed the edges and bottom with melted bee's wax. As the boards warp or bend the wax does not move with them and results in a leak. I am looking for a new sealant that won't have adverse on the syurp, medication or bees. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Mar 24 21:32:13 EST 1995 Article: 1497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: drone laying worker Date: 24 Mar 1995 13:06:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3kug4u$ke0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Dan Buchsbaum Cynthia wrote: >Today I had a look >and there is a BIG queen cell capped and hanging from a bottom frame. >When she emerges, will the worker stop laying? Or will the worker kill >the queen? Or will the two co-exist? >My wait and see policy dosen't seem to be working, so I thought I'd make >a preemptive strike... You ask a good question. Sometimes a well developed virgin will mate and survive to become a laying queen in a laying worker colony, other times she will be killed by the workers in the laying worker colony (you might have more than one laying worker "queen") The best remedy for this is to add frames of hatching brood to the colony ensuring young bees are there to accept the newly mated queen. In queen mating, the condition you describe happens occasionally: I usually shake all the bees out of a laying worker colony and make up a new colony with frames of new emerging brood, adhering bees and some stores. The result of the shaking/disorganization, coupled with the addition of emerging young bees helps to settle the laying worker colony and allow the virgin to mate. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From tceisele@mtu.edu Fri Mar 24 21:32:15 EST 1995 Article: 1498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: tceisele@mtu.edu (Timothy C. Eisele) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hornets, Wasp, Bee Name...? Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:35:05 -0500 Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3kn9p9$74t@hornet.my> References: <3kmt8h$ake@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Rob Pratt (prattrd@pto.ford.com) wrote: : : Anyway, long story short, friend and I were discussing various insects and : had remembered hearing of one that actually hunts down spiders. This : Wasp (or Hornet or Bee) actually gets itself trapped in webs on purpose and : then attacks the Spider - laying its eggs inside of it after stinging the spider. The eggs then eventually hatch and the larva eat the host. : Well, there is a species of wasp commonly referred to as the "mud dauber," which builds nests out of mud for its larvae. These are common in Michigan, and I broke open a few of the nests when I was a kid, and found each larva chamber stocked with numerous small, paralyzed spiders for food. I don't know what procedure the adults use to catch the spiders, but it is probably similar to what you describe above. These wasps are a dark, metallic blue color, and the abdomen is connected to the thorax by a long, narrow neck. These apparently don't sting in self-defense (at least, none ever tried to sting me :-) There are probably a lot of wasp species that prey on spiders. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Mar 24 21:32:16 EST 1995 Article: 1499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,rec.gardens,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.answers,misc.answers,rec.answers,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Mar 1995 14:08:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 407 Approved: news.answers-request@MIT.EDU Message-ID: <3kujo5$oti@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: This posting contains a list of pointers toward apicultural and beekeeping information on the internet. It should be read by anyone who wishes to post to the newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping or the listserv bee-l. Keywords: bee beekeeping apis honey mead pollination pollen Originator: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1499 sci.agriculture:3770 misc.rural:16314 rec.gardens:60135 alt.sustainable.agriculture:5837 sci.answers:2289 misc.answers:1636 rec.answers:10645 alt.answers:8020 news.answers:39029 Archive-name: beekeeping-faq Posting-Frequency: monthly Last-modified:1995/03/24 This FAQ tries to list and point to all informational resources on the internet for beekeepers and apiculturists. A great old beekeeping cliche is: "there are about as many ways to keep bees as there are beekeepers." Therefore rather than list and then answer the myriad beekeeping, bee culture, and apicultural questions in a cumbersome document, specific internet resources are listed in this FAQ so that you may find your own answers, like a true beekeeper! If you are unable to utilize any of these resources, please don't hesitate to contact me or post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. As a last resort, you could even mail the listserv, bee-l, but *please* be sure to include a return address in your letter, and to realize that your question will go to *** all *** the list subscribers. Explicit instructions on listserv use and bee-l are included in this FAQ. Please read them before mailing anything to bee-l. You can always ask somebody. Asking really works! I'm working on an internet archive for beekeeping. Once this is done, (I'll let you know...) you may mail me with information, comments, hints, stories, FAQ ANSWERS, and they will become archived in an easily accessible way, via ftp, gopher, and www. I have already received some really nice beekeeping files. Thank you, you know who you are and you deserve praise! ****** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ****** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. To subscribe to BEE-L, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To get help on how to run the listserver, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: HELP To send a message to all current BEE-L subscribers, mail it to BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu. (FOR DETAILED LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS, READ BEE-L SECTION AT END OF FAQ) * Beekeeping Home Page (WWW) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html * _Apis_ Magazine archive (WWW) http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Colorado State University http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Iowa State University http://www.public.iastate.edu/~entomology/ * sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu anonymous ftp, gopher * sunsite.unc.edu anonymous ftp, gopher, telnet anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture cd sunsite-Sustainable-Agriculture/beekeeping gopher: gopher sunsite.unc.edu go to: The Worlds of sunsite Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping (it's in there, the archive is huge!) * ftp.ucdavis.edu anonymous ftp: ftp ftp.ucdavis.edu /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping * Beekeeping FAQ's from beenet.com How to USE: Internet E-Mail a message addressed to: HINT.103@beenet.com on subject line put the name of FAQ : HONEY ADULTERATION Thats all, you are welcome to add a message. Mail runs are 6am & 6pm. Problems, post to sysop@beenet.com .. FAQ Last update 3-10-95 name * NEW or UPDATED _________ HINT.IND THIS INDEX * HINT.101 SOURCES OF BEEKEEPING INFORMATION HINT.102 HONEY AND ITS USES HINT.103 HONEY ADULTERATION HINT.104 FLORIDA BEE INSPECTION HINT.105 FLORIDA BEARS AND BEEKEEPING HINT.106 HONEY HOUSE SANITATION HINT.107 FLORIDA HONEY LABELING REGULATIONS HINT.108 PRODUCING SECTION (COMB) HONEY HINT.109 EXHIBITING HONEY HINT.110 SAMPLE POLLINATION AGREEMENT HINT.111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS HINT.112 EXTENSION APICULTURAL VISUAL AIDS HINT.113 USING HONEY IN LARGE-QUANTITY RECIPES HINT.115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES HINT.116 CHALKBROOD RECOMMENDATIONS HINT.117 HONEY MARKETING SURVEY HINT.118 PRODUCING POLLEN HINT.119 FINANCIAL MANGEMENT FOR BEEKEEPERS HINT.120 UPWARD VENTILATION HINT.121 WAX MOTH CONTROL HINT.122 BEE STINGS AND REACTIONS HINT.123 EXTENSION APICULTURE IN FLORIDA HINT.124 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND RATIOS FOR BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.125 PRESERVING WOODENWARE IN BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.126 THE VALUE OF POLLINATION BY HONEY BEES HINT.127 THE VARROA BEE MITE HINT.128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY HINT.129 HONEY JUDGING AND STANDARDS HINT.130 USING THE HONEY REFRACTOMETER HINT.131 OBSERVATION BEE HIVES All HINT's courtesy of Malcolm T. Sanford, Cooperative Extension Service University of Florida, Gainesville, Fl Internet address:mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu beenet.com is a Information Service for Beekeepers & Friends, operated by Andy Nachbaur from the Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107, Los Banos, Calif. * Remote File Retriver from beenet.com ( CLOSED FOR REPAIRS ) * Honey Hotline NHB Food Technology Program 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society,Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (Voice & Fax) *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44) 1222 665 522 V: (+44) 1222 372 409 (24 hrs) email: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Now putting out "B-Mail" a monthly newsletter available on the newsgroup or the listserver, soon to be archived. * Mead list: Send ONLY articles for the digest to mead@talisman.com. Use mead-request@talisman.com for [un]subscribe/admin requests. When subscribing, please include name and email address in body of message. Digest archives and FAQ are available for anonymous ftp at: ftp.stanford.edu in pub/clubs/homebrew/mead. * The Mead Association P.O. Box 4666 Grand Junction, CO 81502 1-800-693-MEAD outside US 303-442-9111 * Mead Makers Page (WWW) http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html * Mead book list: for a good list of books on mead mail: jkl2@Ra.MsState.edu (ask for book list). ***** Online Beekeeping Reference Sources ****** * Malcolm Roe is pleased to answer British beekeeping questions such as: how to get started, the addresses of local associations and equipment suppliers, where to get some bees, legal questions, etc. email roe@crosfield.co.uk * _The Hewitt Apicultural Collection_ gopher: < gopher.uconn.edu > Select Libraries and Research Services. Then Edward H Kirschbaum Library (Waterbury Campus). Lastly, Hewitt Apicultural Collection. Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at UCONN handles this great resource. Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu * B-EYE bee eye simulator WWW pages that offer to "see the world through the eyes of a bee." http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/ Andy Giger email giger@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au * Northern Bee books Newsletter This monthly newsletter is an attempt at making information on newly appearing beebooks, as well as on those 'golden oldies' available to the beekeeping community. It is published simultaneously in BEENET, in sci.agiculture.beekeeping newsgroup and in BEE-L. Our main source of info is at Northern bee books UK, but input ( related to beebooks) from others is hereby cordially invited. email Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org Hugo Veerkamp (editor) ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Diana Sammataro, bee researcher, author, is available for Tracheal mite questions and tracheal mite information. email dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. email jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. email robbee@crl.com * Paul Cheng will be coordinating the Bee sting/venom/allergy FAQ. email him with your information/input. email pccheng@merle.acns.nwu.edu * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To * Bee Venom contact Michael Simics at 204 - 1331 15th Ave. S.W., Calgary ,Alta., Canada T3C 0X8 Ph/Fax (403) 541-1877 email: dgscribi@system6.lcs.gov.bc.ca * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees. To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. The listserver (the computer that runs the list) maintains a log (archive) of all messages, and list members may request a copy of the log. The archive has a separate file for each month, and these files are currently saved for about a year. To access the listserve computer itself (i.e. to subscribe to or unsubscribe from BEE-L, to request a log file, etc.), send e-mail to the listserver address. Don't send control messages to the BEE-L address, because the message will just be sent to everyone on the list, and the computer will not do what you wanted it to do. Note that most control messages contain the list name (BEE-L) somewhere in the command, as the listserve computer generally runs many lists at any given time. How do I post a message to BEE-L? If you are on the Internet, send an e-mail message to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu If you are on BitNet, address your e-mail to bee-l@ALBNYVM1.BITNET Any message received at these addresses will be duplicated and mailed to everyone currently subscribed to the BEE-L list. How do I subscribe to, or unsubscribe from BEE-L? Send mail to the listserve computer (from the Internet the address is listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu from BitNet, the address is listserv@ALBNYVM1.BITNET To SUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L You may abbreviate SUBSCRIBE with SUB. Be sure to substitute your real name for the placeholder. You do not need quotes or any other delimiters surrounding your name. The listserve computer will determine your address from the "From:" header in your message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SIGNOFF BEE-L You may substitute either UNSUBSCRIBE or UNSUB for the SIGNOFF in this command to remove your subscription to the list If your address has changed since you subscribed, this command will fail - write to YOUR local POSTMAST/POSTMASTER/POSTMSTR id for assistance. If that fails, then write to OWNER-BEE-L @ for assistance. If that fails, then write one of the following (these are typical addresses that should be forwarded to a person who can answer your question): POSTMASTER@ POSTMAST@ POSTMSTR@ Note: = ALBNYVM1.BITNET if you are on BitNet. = uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on Internet). To avoid this problem, UNSUBSCRIBE from BEE-L before you move to a new e-mail address, and then resubscribe from your new address. How do I get help using the listserver? Send a message to the listserver, with the one word HELP in the body of the message. Address the message to listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet if you are on BitNet, or address it to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on the Internet. The listserver will mail a help document back to you. Sending the message INFO ? will cause the listserver to mail you a list of additional help documents that are available. These additional documents are requested by sending the message INFO (be sure to substitute the desired document name for ) Aknowledgments I would like to thank the following individuals: Jon Gefael who taught me and who is almost always right Pete Thorsen who is a walking man page Rick Hough for his FAQ contributions (the bee-l how-to), and gentle way Ron Dippold and UVV for handling the newsgroup vote My school, VA Tech, for giving me an account Dr. Rick Fell, for making me think My old friend Jayne who bears with me even to this day My children for their beauty and to beekeepers worldwide Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Finkelstein, all rights reserved. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or compilations without express permission from the author. -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From prattrd@pto.ford.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:17 EST 1995 Article: 1500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!opeo!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!tc1941.pto.ford.com!prattrd From: prattrd@pto.ford.com (Rob Pratt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hornets, Wasp, Bee Name...? Date: 24 Mar 1995 17:55:44 GMT Organization: ECC at Ford Motor Company, Dearborn Michigan Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3kv130$3pi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <3kmt8h$ake@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> <3kn9p9$74t@hornet.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1941.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Timothy C. Eisele (tceisele@mtu.edu) wrote: : Well, there is a species of wasp commonly referred to as the "mud dauber," : which builds nests out of mud for its larvae. These are common in Michigan, : and I broke open a few of the nests when I was a kid, and found each larva : chamber stocked with numerous small, paralyzed spiders for food. I don't : know what procedure the adults use to catch the spiders, but it is probably : similar to what you describe above. These wasps are a dark, metallic blue : color, and the abdomen is connected to the thorax by a long, narrow neck. : These apparently don't sting in self-defense (at least, none ever tried to : sting me :-) : There are probably a lot of wasp species that prey on spiders. Thanks Tim. Someone sent me an email (though the name leaves me now) with some information about Spider Wasps and that sounds like what I was looking for. I also heard about African Hornets that swarm small animals stinging them to death and laying eggs in them. The later was I believe a bit harsher than I had expected to hear about. Of the specific species the one down in Arizonia called the 'Tarantula-Hawk' is as close to the species as I have heard of now. Again, my thanks to you all...if anyone can get me anycloser or any other names its appreciated. BTW, question still stands, anyone know what the primary difference between wasps and hornets is...? Thanks again, Robb From cave@cauldron.spdc.ti.com Fri Mar 24 21:32:19 EST 1995 Article: 1501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!cauldron!cauldron!not-for-mail From: cave@cauldron.spdc.ti.com (Kandace Cave) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How would I begin? Date: 24 Mar 1995 13:47:46 -0600 Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3kv7l2$q56@epcot.spdc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: epcot.spdc.ti.com My mother has a single bee box (hive?) on her property which my grandfather use to keep before he died. As far as I know the bees are still there, but no one has cared for them in about 2-3 years now. I am considering "taking over" the job, but I know nothing about where to begin. I am not really looking to do this commercially, just to collect the honey for the family. Can someone offer some good advice about getting started? Is this something that needs only periodical upkeep, since the hive is far away and I might not be able to get down there for weeks at a time? Also how expensive would it be for just one hive like that? Thanks in advance, Kandy From london@sunSITE.unc.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:01 EST 1995 Article: 1502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!london From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sunSITE Beekeeping Archives Date: 25 Mar 1995 03:06:33 GMT Organization: UNC Office FOR Information Technology: SunSITE Project Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3l01bp$14eu@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Accessing Beekeeping Resources at sunSITE.unc.edu ------------------------------------------------- WAIS (available via telnet, follow login instructions) World Wide Web (lynx available via telnet for vt100 users) URL for beekeeping archives is: gopher://sunsite.unc.edu/11/.pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping/ Ftpmail (Send e-mail to ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu for help file on ftpmail usage) Anonymous ftp: ftp sunSITE.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping Gopher: (gopher sunSITE.unc.edu) go to: The Worlds of sunSITE Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping -or go to: The Worlds of SunSITE browse sunSITE archives academic agriculture sustainable_agriculture beekeeping For more information contact london@sunSITE.unc.edu. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:02 EST 1995 Article: 1503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Books (was How would I begin?) Date: 25 Mar 1995 03:57:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3l04c3$f4q@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3kv7l2$q56@epcot.spdc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Reading books about beekeeping helps. I suggest: _The Beekeepers's Handbook_, Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable, New York, Macmillian, 1986 ISBN 0-02-081410-0. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From lebo@oasys.dt.navy.mil Tue Mar 28 23:12:04 EST 1995 Article: 1504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!relay!relay2!relay-wo!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail From: lebo@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ken Lebo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE POLLEN Date: 22 Mar 1995 10:34:57 -0500 Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: lebo@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ken Lebo) NNTP-Posting-Host: oasys.dt.navy.mil I read an advertisement today in Herbal Health Care, March 1995 issue, on the advantages of bee pollen in diet. The article says: "There are 22 basic elements in the human body - enzymes, hormones, vitamins, ammino acids and others - which must be renewed by nutrient intake. No food contains all of them ... except Bee Pollen." The article goes on to say that bee pollen has successfully been used to treat aging, digestive upsets, prostrate diseases, etc. for years. My question is; is there any validity in these claims? Anyone have any medical proof? Thanks for listening. Ken From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 28 23:12:05 EST 1995 Article: 1505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: Hornets, Wasp, Bee Name...? References: <3kmt8h$ake@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> <3kn9p9$74t@hornet.my> <3kv130$3pi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:45:30 +0000 Message-ID: <796131930snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <3kv130$3pi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> prattrd@pto.ford.com "Rob Pratt" writes: > BTW, question > still stands, anyone know what the primary difference between wasps and > hornets is...? Hornets are species of wasp, like bumbles are species of bee. Regards -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From cappaert@umich.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:06 EST 1995 Article: 1506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!pm035-14.dialip.mich.net!user From: cappaert@umich.edu (David Cappaert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hornets, Wasp, Bee Name...? Date: 24 Mar 1995 02:29:01 GMT Organization: School of Natural Resources, UM Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3kmt8h$ake@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm035-14.dialip.mich.net prattrd@pto.ford.com (Rob Pratt) wrote: > Anyway, long story short, friend and I were discussing various insects and > had remembered hearing of one that actually hunts down spiders. This > Wasp (or Hornet or Bee) actually gets itself trapped in webs on purpose and > then attacks the Spider - laying its eggs inside of it after stinging the spider. The eggs then eventually hatch and the larva eat the host. > > Can any of you tell me the name of this insect? ... There are many wasps that parasitize spiders. Many species of sphecids, including mud daubers provision nests with spiders. The Pompilidae is an entire family of wasps that capture and paralyze spiders, insert them into cells in rotten wood or soil, and then lay eggs on the body. Some of these attack and parasitize spiders in their burrows (rather than burying them). However I haven't heard of wasps that use webs as you describe. -- David Cappaert From p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz Tue Mar 28 23:12:08 EST 1995 Article: 1507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!NewsWatcher!user From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pressure treated lumber Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:38:59 +1200 Organization: School of Music University of Auckland Lines: 31 Distribution: usa Message-ID: References: <1995Mar14.021635.15139@tron.bwi.wec.com> <3ki9vm$eij@chopin.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.90.127 > In article <3ki9vm$eij@chopin.udel.edu>, pyro@chopin.udel.edu (Thomas Rich > Schwerdt) wrote: > > There has been a continuing thread on Rec.gardens about this very topic. > > Apparently, pressure treating lumber involves forcing large quantities > > of arsenic (VERY toxic to just about everyting, including people) > > into the wood by using high pressure -- hence the "friendly" name of > > "pressure treated." I personally would not want to eat anything that was > > located near pressure treated lumber. Use cedar. North American practice may be different, but in this part of the world we have two main forms of pressure treatment: one uses a mix of copper-chrome-arsenic salts for external timbers and keeps out rot and bugs (including bees); the other uses boron salts and is for indoor use, less deadly but it too is not recommended for beehive parts. Penta-chlor-phenol has been banned here since the early 1980s. Use cedar by all means if you can get it and afford it. Monterey cypress (C. macrocapora) is a substitute here. But most people go for a cheap pine and soak the dry timber for at least a couple of hours in a bath of proprietary copper naphthenate - resin mix which soaks into the end grain about half an inch, and about 1/8 inch on the sides. This skin of copper naphthenate is bound by the resins so the bees don't get at it, but it prevents rot and bugs getting inside the boards. It is possible to soak damp infected timber and end up with a shell board with the inside all rotted out :-( -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland neo-Luddite From SMWV43A@prodigy.com Tue Mar 28 23:12:09 EST 1995 Article: 1508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SMWV43A@prodigy.com (David Scribner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm control Date: 26 Mar 1995 05:17:30 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3l2tda$12a0@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> References: <3kc53g$7ku@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap4.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Norman, I don't think it would work to your advantage very well at all. For one thing, in the spring you would have to constantly remove the bottom excluder to allow the emerging drones (which can't fit through the excluder) out. If you don't they will die and clog the excluder, leading to stress in the worker bees as they try to work around the dead/dying bees. Also, bees usually store their pollen above the brood stores, not necessarily in the supers (like honey). As such, that would defeat your idea of having them not go through an excluder as they would still have to go through the bottom excluder to get to the brood. Also, nectar is not taken to the upper suppers by the bees returning from the field. It is instead given over to the "house bees" upon entering the hive, which then take it to the supers or brood chamber themselves. The field bees immediately return to the field to collect more nectar. You may wish to try it anyway, as I'm sure you'll learn a lot about the nature of bees and how they store goods in the hive, but expect a little frustration. Good luck! --Dave From meaderyman@delphi.com Tue Mar 28 23:12:11 EST 1995 Article: 1509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sealing Top Feeders Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 11:56:48 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3kufok$c9m@Owl.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1a.delphi.com X-To: Dan Goodwin Dan Goodwin writes: >Last winter I build several top feeders. >I sealed the edges and bottom with melted bee's wax. >As the boards warp or bend the wax does not move with them and results in a leak. > >I am looking for a new sealant that won't have adverse on the syurp, medication or bees. Betterbee uses a marine sealant for the top feeders they make for sale to the beekeeping industry. If you have a marine supply store near you, you might try there or call Betterbee at 1-800-632-3379 and perha[ps they will sell you some. From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Tue Mar 28 23:12:12 EST 1995 Article: 1510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw2.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: License And Apistan Permits Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 17:18:12 GMT Lines: 18 Although this doesn't apply to everyone on this list, I could not narrow the list down to just New Hampshire, so sorry! Anyway, I just heard from another New Hampshire beekeeper that we have to have a permit to use Apistan if we sell or even give our honey away! We don't need the permit for personal use. (Like what am I going to do with #600 pounds of honey, bath in it!) Also all hives are to be registered with the state? The fee for the Apistan usage is $20? What does that by me in a state with NO inspectors! Is there any truth to this or what? Dave Verville att!mvtowers!mvdfv From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:17 EST 1995 Article: 1511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Reversing.. Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:29:09 GMT Lines: 27 Hello, I have a hive with two deeps on it and one shallow. I didn't harvest any honey from this hive so I left the shallow on all winter. Anyway, about a week ago, I reversed the hive...the bottom deep was empty and the cluster was in the top deep and part of the shallow. There were honey stores in the shallow.. so I put it like so... Empty Deep Shallow Deep with brood... Now, I checked my bees this weekend and I found the queen wandering around on a frame of of capped honey in the shallow. So, I moved her onto an empty frame in the shallow and took the shallow and put it at the bottom of the hive with the deeps over it. Did I do the right thing? Should I have stuck her in the deep? Thereis plenty of room in thatdeep for her to lay...I figured she would move up. What do you think? Regards, Larry Kellogg -- ------------------------------------------------------------- o From SMWV43A@prodigy.com Tue Mar 28 23:12:19 EST 1995 Article: 1512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SMWV43A@prodigy.com (David Scribner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing.. Date: 28 Mar 1995 04:54:33 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3l84q9$e0c@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap4.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Larry, I'm sure the bees will make whatever adjustments they need to make it right by them, however from my limited experience and the texts I've read, I probably would have done it as so... Empty Shallow (If the one below is full enough. If not, wait.) Shallow with Honey Empty Deep Deep with Brood That would have allowed the queen to move up into the empty deep (as you found out, movement upward by the queen seems to be natural) so she could continue to lay in it. Since bees also naturally and usually store thier honey stores above the brood, keep the shallows above. Also, the frames in the deep seem to provide a more naturally accomodating size area for the queen to lay as most beekeepers (as such, I take it to mean the bees do to) prefer deeps or mediums for brood and shallows or mediums for honey. When you check into the hive later in the season and find the top deep brood chamber full with eggs/capped brood/emerging brood the queen should have moved down into the bottom deep (a queen excluder helps to facilitate this). If she hasn't, switching the deeps again putting the empty deep back on top of the other brood chamber will allow her to once again move upward and lay in the deep with the most free space. Hope this helps... --Dave From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:20 EST 1995 Article: 1513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Reversing.. Date: 28 Mar 1995 11:30:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3l8rvr$p4p@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3l84q9$e0c@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf When you reverse, your goal is to give the queen and expanding brood nest room. However if you can help it, you do not want to split the nest. Splitting the nest retards colony build up. I try to keep honey over the brood nest, reversing boxes and leaving honey above. But, yeah, the queen often moves into the honey, turning the honey box into brood. So, in this case, I put the most brood on the bottom, then the least brood, then the empty. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Mar 28 23:12:21 EST 1995 Article: 1514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE POLLEN Date: 28 Mar 1995 11:34:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3l8s8i$pe4@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Jodelle Landers wrote: Quotes from highly illustrious people in the medical profession deleted. > >Just a few of a multitude of statements by doctors concerning the benefits >of pollen. Bee Smart,Jody If pollen is so wonderful for humans, why aren't beekeepers selling it like crazy? Seems like a way to keep everybody happy, yes? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From jdland@pic.net Tue Mar 28 23:12:23 EST 1995 Article: 1515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!news.pic.net!dal14.pic.net!user From: jdland@pic.net ( Jodelle Landers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE POLLEN Date: 28 Mar 1995 07:40:27 GMT Organization: PICnet Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: dal14.pic.net In article <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, lebo@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ken Lebo) wrote: > I read an advertisement today in Herbal Health Care, March 1995 issue, > on the advantages of bee pollen in diet. The article says: "There are 22 > basic elements in the human body - enzymes, hormones, vitamins, ammino acids > and others - which must be renewed by nutrient intake. No food contains all > of them ... except Bee Pollen." The article goes on to say that bee pollen > has successfully been used to treat aging, digestive upsets, prostrate > diseases, etc. for years. My question is; is there any validity in these > claims? Anyone have any medical proof? > > > > Thanks for listening. > > Ken Dr. Carlton Fredericks:_Honeybee pollen is the only super perfect food on this earth. This has been proven so many times in the laboratories around the world by a chemical analyst that it is not a subject to debate nor challenge_. Dr. Bernard Jensen: _Much has been said about pollen helping glands in the body. All experiments on animals show that it prolongs life and helps to keep glands in good order._ Dr. Sigmund Schmidt: _Eat pollen. Pollen contains all the essential elements, vitamins, and minerals, for healthy tissue and therefore could be a preventative for disease._ Dr. Kilmer McCully, M.D., Professor of Pathology at Harvard Medical School:_The three highest foods having the B^ Methionine ratio are bananas with a ratio of 40, carrots with a ratio of 15, and onions with a ratio of 10. Honeybee pollen has a ratio of 400 to 1._ Just a few of a multitude of statements by doctors concerning the benefits of pollen. Bee Smart,Jody From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Tue Mar 28 23:12:24 EST 1995 Article: 1516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE POLLEN Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:43:01 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 32 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3l979l$a8a@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Reply-To: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 In article , jdland@pic.net ( Jodelle Landers) writes: >Dr. Carlton Fredericks:_Honeybee pollen ...... >Dr. Bernard Jensen: _Much has been said about pollen .... >Dr. Sigmund Schmidt: _Eat pollen. Pollen contains all .... >Dr. Kilmer McCully, M.D., Professor of Pathology at Harvard Medical >School:_The three highest foods ...... Honeybee pollen has a ratio of 400 to 1._ >Just a few of a multitude of statements by doctors concerning the benefits >of pollen. Bee Smart,Jody Do those guys happen to be both doctor and beekeeper ? Cheers Hugo -- Hugo Thone (SE121) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp do bee do bee do .... From jcooper@infinet.com Tue Mar 28 23:12:25 EST 1995 Article: 1517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jcooper From: jcooper@infinet.com (Joseph Cooper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Permits in New Hampshire Date: 28 Mar 1995 16:21:15 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3l9d1r$2f@horus.infinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Live Free Or Die. -- ************************* * Joseph Cooper * * jcooper@infinet.com * ************************* From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu Mar 30 22:57:02 EST 1995 Article: 1518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jump start comb for new hive? Date: 29 Mar 1995 05:03:53 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3lapnp$i3q@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3land5$5p6@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] : Or should I just let nature take its course and wait for the bees : to build the comb? Seems like a lot of work for a new nuc to have : to build all the comb and gather pollen etc. : I have some old frames with drawn comb that I've kept in the basement : for the past 8 years, I caught a brief wax moth infestation and : stopped it. Better to trash those older frames, or use them for : brood frames for the new nuc? Use them. As you infer, this will save the colony much effort at a time when it is not very strong, and allow the queen to begin laying almost immediately. Also, I know there's some dissagreement about feeding, but *my experience* is that if you give them all the syrup they can take, you will get faster colony build-up. You can use a coffee can with holes poked into the lid as a feeder. (You can put it inside or outside, but I find that a temporary plywood outercover with a large hole in it works well. Just put the inverted feeder on top of the cover, over the hole, and brace with a couple of bricks. Make sure the location of the hole (and therefore feeder) is not directly over the center of the nuc or the hive, in case it drips. I like this method becuase it's cheap and I don't have to open the hive/nuc to add more syrup - also, unlike some feeder designs, you don't risk drowning the bees.) One thing, (it's probably obvious but can't hurt to add) *don't* use the frames if you think there's any cahnce of their having been exposed to foulbrood. Also, be aware of the varroa mite problem - shouldn't be an issue right now, though. (There's plenty of discussion on this newsgroup regarding that.) Dave From david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Thu Mar 30 22:57:04 EST 1995 Article: 1519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: david macfawn Subject: requeening Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (news) Reply-To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:53:30 GMT Lines: 17 I have been experimenting with ways to requeen quicker. One thought was to place the queen cell above a queen excluder with the old queen below the excluder. This way the old queen could not get to the new queen cell to destroy it. When the queen hatches will the new queen and old queen fight with hopefully the new queen winning, will they swarm, or ??? Has anyone ever done this. I am trying to avoid going in and finding the old queen before placing the new queen cell in the hive. Finding the old queen often takes a lot of time. Thanks, Dave M. david macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-632-7409 From kcm999@arts.usask.ca Thu Mar 30 22:57:06 EST 1995 Article: 1520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!arts.usask.ca!kcm999 From: kcm999@arts.usask.ca (Keith Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rare Beekeeping Books F.S. Date: 28 Mar 1995 18:34:14 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3l9kr6$in9@tribune.usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: arts.usask.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have two rare beekeeping books for sale: 1. Signed first edition of The Honey Bee: A guide for Beekeepers by V.R. Vickery, 1991. 240 pp, exc. condition. This is a very good general reference for north american beekeepers, retails for about $35 (unsigned), I'll take US $20. 2.Beekeeping by E.F. Phillips, 1915 first edition. 457 pages, very good condition. I was asking US $ 50.00, but I'll take US $35.00. This book is a classic period reference. Both prices are w/o shipping costs added. Keith Moore From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Mar 30 22:57:07 EST 1995 Article: 1521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Instrumental Insemination Apparatus Date: 28 Mar 1995 22:32:46 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3la2qe$4tl@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Mar28.155933.145@news.brandonu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <1995Mar28.155933.145@news.brandonu.ca>, Michael Lewis <$lewismj@brandonu.ca> wrote: >I was just wondering if anybody reading sci.agriculture. beekeeping knows >of a distributor in North America of the Laidlaw Instrumental >insemination apparatus. Sue Cobey handles German stuff: you might contact her. email scobey@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu _ABJ_ often has people selling II sets in their classifieds. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From @brandonu.ca Thu Mar 30 22:57:08 EST 1995 Article: 1522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!news.brandonu.ca!news.brandonu.ca!nntp Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instrumental Insemination Apparatus Message-ID: <1995Mar28.155933.145@news.brandonu.ca> From: $lewismj@brandonu.ca (Michael Lewis) Date: 28 Mar 95 15:59:33 CST Reply-To: $lewismj@brandonu.ca Organization: Brandon University Nntp-Posting-Host: pc00233.pcs.brandonu.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Lines: 8 I was just wondering if anybody reading sci.agriculture. beekeeping knows of a distributor in North America of the Laidlaw Instrumental insemination apparatus. I am doing a project with queen bees for my undergraduate thesis, and would appreciate it if anybody knows where I can purchase the apparatus. I can be contacted through e-mail at:$lewismj@brandonu.ca. Thanks! Michael Lewis, Department of Zoology, Brandon University, Brandon Manitoba. From bmaccion@promus.com Thu Mar 30 22:57:10 EST 1995 Article: 1523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!promus.com!promus.com!bmaccion From: bmaccion@promus.com (Bob Maccione) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Let'em live or kill'em? Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:28:18 Organization: The Promus Companies, Inc. (Memphis, TN) Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.8.3.39 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hi, I just purchased a house in the country (on a couple of acres) and have a question on the local flying population. I have wasps, small and fat bees. I haven't looked for holes in the wood to determine what type of fat bees I have, but am wondering which are OK to leave alone and which ones I should kill. I assume that I should kill of the wasps and the nests but am unsure about the bees. Also any suggestions on how to get rid if them would be helpful, thanks, bob maccione From ed@gpcc.ultranet.com Thu Mar 30 22:57:11 EST 1995 Article: 1524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: ed@gpcc.ultranet.com (Ed Sterling) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jump start comb for new hive? Date: 29 Mar 1995 04:24:05 GMT Organization: Girder and Panel Club Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3land5$5p6@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gpcc.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Greetings, I am new to this list. I kept 5 hives up in Canada from 81 to 86, quite successful, and enjoyable. Traded the bees for babies in 87, moved, and had to put beekeeping on the back burner. Psyched up this Spring to get a few hives going again on a friends nearby farm. I recall from earlier days wishing I had some drawn comb to offer the queen when I started a new hive. Can I get any suggestions on possible jump-start strategies for a new hive? I'd read about plastic combs back around 1985, what's the status of that recently? Should it be used only for honey storage, or will a queen lay in it as well as true wax comb. Any other materials available? Or should I just let nature take its course and wait for the bees to build the comb? Seems like a lot of work for a new nuc to have to build all the comb and gather pollen etc. I have some old frames with drawn comb that I've kept in the basement for the past 8 years, I caught a brief wax moth infestation and stopped it. Better to trash those older frames, or use them for brood frames for the new nuc? Thanks for the advice. Ed -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ed Sterling, GPCC | ACTUAL quotes from my kids: "Daddy, hummingbirds Bolton, MA 01740 USA | help the bees put honey in the flowers!" "In the Phone/FAX: 508-779-6058 | daytime, the sun melts the moon into cloudpieces!" 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From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Mar 31 22:12:24 EST 1995 Article: 1525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: requeening Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 07:37:01 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 223 Message-ID: <173706B23S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Keywords: Requeening ala Nick! In article david macfawn writes: > >I have been experimenting with ways to requeen quicker... > A good answer to David's question was posted last year in BEE-L by Nick Wallingford and can be found in the BEE-L LOG9403 archives. To save folks the trouble, I'll post it again. >-> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 15:08:00 +1300 >-> Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology >-> Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology >-> From: NICKW@WAIKATO.AC.NZ >-> Subject: Requeening without finding the queen >-> >-> Summary: Description of requeening a hive without having to look >-> for the old queen. Variation of an article that orginally >-> appeared in the Beginners Notes column of the NZ Beekeeper >-> several years ago. >-> >-> REQUEENING WITHOUT LOOKING FOR THE QUEEN by Nick Wallingford >-> >-> One of the big stumbling blocks for many beginner beekeepers is >-> that problem of how do you actually get the queen into the hive. >-> The fundamentals -- the colony should be queenless, it should be >-> well fed and it should have young bees emerging. >-> >-> How do you actually go about doing it? Most books tell you >-> simply to find the old queen, kill her, and introduce your young >-> queen in the mailing cage she came in. Fine, you think. Until >-> you go out to look through your (strong) (aggressive) (agitated) >-> colony for the queen. And knowing that you have your valuable, >-> newly-arrived queen sitting in the house just waiting to be >-> installed! >-> >-> So this message will be mostly devoted to giving you a method of >-> introducing new queens to your hives without ever having to look >-> for the old queen. And like any such system, it is not >-> foolproof. It works for me and for many other beekeepers, but if >-> it doesn't for you, first make sure you are following directions. >-> Then consider special problems you might have, especially as they >-> relate to the 'golden rules' of queenless, well-fed, with plenty >-> of young bees. >-> >-> The system I will describe is not new, and it was not my idea. >-> It's a combination of all sorts of ideas. Its the sort of >-> management technique that develops when you have a fair idea of >-> what you want to do, but you're not sure how. Then, rather than >-> just making up your system, you sit back and think about bee >-> behaviour and try to work effectively within the bounds of the >-> ways bees will *usually* respond to certain stimuli. >-> >-> The object of the system is to create a nucleus colony on top of >-> the old colony. I wanted a system that could be easily used by >-> hobbyist or commercial beekeeper alike, without ever looking for >-> the queen. It should be versatile, both in being able to deal >-> with colonies of differing strengths and with end results. That >-> is, the resulting nucleus, or top, can be used to re-queen with >-> or to start a new colony. The method should use a minimum of >-> extra equipment, and no exotic or complicated gadgets (much as I >-> like them...) >-> >-> They are based around beekeeping systems that use two full depth >-> brood chambers for most of the year. The system introduces a >-> third box, which is of the same depth as the brood chamber boxes. >-> After all is complete, you'll want to work this extra box 'out', >-> especially if you (1) use different depth boxes for >-> storing/extracting surplus and/or (2) you are particular about >-> using white comb only (never used for brood rearing) as honey >-> supers. >-> >-> The only 'extra' piece of equipment needed is a split board, also >-> known as a division board. To those of you who may not know what >-> that is, it is simply a hive mat (inner cover) that has had a >-> notch cut out of the rim on one side so as to form an entrance >-> for a colony set above it. The notch can be anywhere from 20 to >-> 100 mm wide; I prefer to have mine about 50 mm, making it large >-> enough for a fairly strong unit but still small enough that the >-> bees can protect it while the colony is still small. >-> >-> I have modified the inner covers on all of my hives in this >-> manner. Just to try something new this last autumn, I turned >-> them over on my hives in an effort to give some sort of upper >-> ventilation. I'm not really sure how much good it did. >-> >-> You will also need a queen excluder. As I have one of these for >-> each hive as a matter of course, that is no problem. One last >-> piece of equipment needed will be another box of drawn comb. >-> >-> Now, after all that prelude, let's see how the system works. For >-> the sake of beginning, let us assume that it is springtime and >-> your colony is housed in two boxes and you want to simply >-> re-queen it. As you'll see later, you have other options, but >-> let's start from this basic case. >-> >-> When you open your hive, you'll find most of the brood and bees >-> in the upper box. Remove three frames of brood, both sealed and >-> unsealed, from the centre of the brood nest. Take a glance over >-> them first to see if you can spot the queen. Now that you're >-> starting on a method that means you don't have to find her, its >-> amazing how often you will! Then shake all of the bees off of >-> them, back into the colony. >-> >-> You needn't shake off every last one of them, so long as you are >-> sure that the queen is not one of the bees remaining. Now, place >-> these three frames into the middle of the box of combs you have >-> brought with you. >-> >-> If there are plenty of stores in the parent colony, take two good >-> frames of honey, shake the bees from them, and place them in the >-> new box with the three frames of brood. If there is not much >-> honey in the hive, you will have to feed either the parent hive, >-> the nucleus, or in the worst case, both. >-> >-> Now, you can start to re-build the hive. Replace all the frames >-> you have taken from the parent colony with empty combs, doing >-> your best not to split the brood nest if possible. On top of >-> this second box, place the queen excluder. On top of the >-> excluder, place the new box containing the brood and honey that >-> has had the bees shaken from them. >-> >-> Put the lid on the hive and go away. Think about what you have >-> just done. You have lifted brood and bees above the excluder. >-> What is going to happen to the brood up there? The pheromones it >-> gives off will attract nurse bees that are down in the main hive >-> up to it. Combining that with the frames of honey, the third box >-> that you have added has quite a 'pull' to bring bees up into it. >-> >-> But remember, there is a queen excluder between the boxes, so >-> there is no way the old queen can come up there. >-> >-> After about 20 minutes, if you go back to the hive and lift the >-> lid, you will find that enough bees have come up into the nucleus >-> to take care of the brood, defend the colony and take care of >-> your new queen. >-> >-> All you have to do now is replace the queen excluder with the >-> division board and presto! You have your nucleus colony ready >-> for introducing the young queen. It is queenless (because the >-> queen couldn't come up through the excluder). It has plenty of >-> young bees (because they have come up to take care of the brood >-> you lifted). And it has plenty of food (because you provided >-> them with two frames of honey). All the conditions have been met >-> for ideal queen introduction. You can expect that some of the >-> bees will drift back to the main colony, but the young bees >-> taking care of the brood will most likely remain - the new unit >-> shouldn't drop in bee strength too drastically. >-> >-> This system could be used on a larger number of hives. By the >-> time the beekeeper has worked through the yard, shaking bees from >-> brood and honey to lift into the new box, the first hive would >-> have been left long enough for the bees to come up. >-> >-> Introduce your young queen into the top and wait a week. Don't >-> disturb them in this time if at all possible; until the new queen >-> is established and laying fully, the bees haven't really fully >-> accepted her. Disturb them during this period and it is possible >-> for them to turn on her. >-> >-> After a week, you will have a parent colony on the bottom, only >-> slightly reduced in strength by the bees, brood and honey you >-> took. And you will have a nucleus colony headed by a young queen >-> above the split board, all set for your next decision. >-> >-> You can either use it to re-queen the parent colony, or you could >-> place it on its own floor to use for increasing your colony >-> numbers. If you choose the second option, it would be best if >-> you actually moved it several miles away to avoid the loss of >-> field strength through drifting. >-> >-> If you want to re-queen the parent colony, you could now go >-> through it, looking for the old queen, preparing to unite the two >-> colonies by replacing the split board with a sheet of newspaper >-> for them to chew their way through. But that would defeat the >-> whole point, wouldn't it? We're supposed to be doing this >-> without ever looking for a queen, aren't we? >-> >-> If you can go through and find the old queen, aided by any >-> tricks/knacks you might have to quickly locate queens, so much >-> the better. You're certain of results then. >-> >-> But, believe it or not, you have the odds of success heavily in >-> your favour if you simply newspaper the two units together >-> without looking for the old queen at all. In almost 90% of the >-> cases, if you unite two colonies with the young queen on the top >-> of an old queen, the young queen will be left to head the >-> resulting hive. >-> >-> Why this happens is open to argument. Some beekeepers will tell >-> you that the bees always select the best of the two queens. I >-> doubt that. My explanation goes along the lines of the young >-> queen's bees are confined in the top box when you replace the >-> split board with newspaper. As well, her field bees returning >-> cannot use their normal entrance, the slot on the split board. >-> They then drift down to the main colony entrance. As they are >-> foragers returning with a load, they will be accepted without >-> causing outrageous fighting at the hive entrance. I think the >-> old queen is then probably killed by the 'scissor' effect of bees >-> foreign to her coming at her from both directions - down as the >-> bees confined above the newspaper chew through and move down in >-> the hive, and up by the foragers from the top unit coming in >-> through the bottom entrance and finding a 'strange' queen in >-> 'their' hive. >-> >-> It has certainly worked for me, and if the thought of trying to >-> find queens is an impossible one for you, the system might be >-> worth considering. You might just want to experiment with it to >-> see if the time savings will repay the small amount of >-> uncertainty involved. >-> >-> It's not the answer to all of a beekeepers problems, but it just >-> gives you an idea how by thinking a little bit about bee >-> behaviour, you can sort out your management system to make your >-> life a little easier while doing all you can in the interests of >-> maximum production. >-> >-> ------------------------------------- >-> Nick Wallingford >-> (East coast, N Island, New Zealand) >-> Internet nickw@waikato.ac.nz >-> ------------------------------------- From socrates@gate.net Fri Apr 7 11:45:08 EDT 1995 Article: 1526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!NewsWatcher!user From: socrates@gate.net (gary) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does Honey Go Bad In The Hive? Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:42:40 -0500 Organization: ampr.org Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hopi.gate.net I have access to 2 honey bee hives that have been abandon and have not been maintained for at least five years. The bees left one of the hives about a month ago and I harvested the honey and wax. Most of the frames in the abandoned hive had a very dark honey, a couple were golden and a couple had a deep green tinge. The combs in the top two supers were intact but the brood super had some combs that were dried out and there was some mildew (I did not harvest this honey). The bees in the active hive are very docile and all three supers are being used. Would it be safe to consume the honey from either of these two hives? If not, what use could I put the honey to? Should I just feed it back to the bees? How can I clean up the wax so I can use it for candles, etc. Thanks. -- =>Gary socrates@gate.net From dalex@eskimo.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:09 EDT 1995 Article: 1527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!eskimo!dalex From: dalex@eskimo.com (Dave Alexander) Subject: Re: Let'em live or kill'em? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Message-ID: Sender: usenet@eskimo.com (News User Id) Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever References: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:07:07 GMT Lines: 9 why do you want to kill the wasps. if you had ever seen the inside of a wasp nest and seen the amoumt of bugs they feed to their young you would never consider killing them. for all the good they do you should be willing to put up with what every problem they might cause... dave alexander From oliphant@engr.wisc.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gw2.att.com!pacbell.com!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: oliphant@engr.wisc.edu (Paul Oliphant) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sealing Top Feeders Date: 31 Mar 1995 03:51:39 GMT Organization: Computer-Aided Engineering Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3lfu8b$hui@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3kufok$c9m@Owl.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-12.engr.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 In article <3kufok$c9m@Owl.nstn.ca>, yrh@fox.nstn.ca says... > >Last winter I build several top feeders. >I sealed the edges and bottom with melted bee's wax. >As the boards warp or bend the wax does not move with them and results in a leak. > >I am looking for a new sealant that won't have adverse on the syurp, medication or bees. > I took a simpler approach and drove down to the local paint store and bought some unused gal paint can with some extra lids. I then punched holes in a few lids with a 4d nail. They seen to work great. Paul From lso@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:12 EDT 1995 Article: 1529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!lso From: lso@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Non bee pollen Message-ID: <1995Mar30.085851.6408@tower> Date: 30 Mar 95 08:58:51 -0500 Lines: 9 HELP!!!! I need pollen to feed a colony of predatory mites. The problem I have is that these mites will not accept bee-pollen. I need it from the plant directly. Is there anyplace I can buy pollen from? I can use as much as I can get. Thank you for any help you can give me. This is urgent. Lance Osborne University of Florida From dhmillma@dag.carleton.ca Fri Apr 7 11:45:13 EDT 1995 Article: 1530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!pirates!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!dag!dhmillma From: dhmillma@dag.carleton.ca (David H. Millman) Subject: Bee Venom Message-ID: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:27:54 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera:844 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1530 Someone I know has a large quantity (more than 1 kg, I believe) of bee venom and is looking to sell it. He is interested in info on the following subjects: Are there any restrictions on bringing it into Canada? Are there any restrictions on bringing it into the US? Who is interested in buying this stuff? What is a reasonable price for this stuff? ANY info would be much appreciated. Cheers! David Millman aa342@freenet.carleton.ca dhmillma@ccs.carleton.ca From syrphus@ibm.net Fri Apr 7 11:45:14 EDT 1995 Article: 1531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: syrphus@ibm.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering bees in loboratory Date: 31 Mar 1995 23:04:17 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3li1ph$mks@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: syrphus@ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip137-1.pt.uk.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Do any have experience with wintering small bee families inside in the winter time. I have tried with box with light where the bees could drink sugar and pollen, but a lot of bees went out of the hive and died. Please write your experience ! Ï#o From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:16 EDT 1995 Article: 1532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: In search of Follower Boards Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 08:31:09 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1737277CDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In Eugene Killion's "Honey in the Comb" he mentions a follower board, which is a frame-like piece of equipment that is placed between the inner walls of a super and the frames. Killion runs his hives with 9 frames sandwitched between two follower boards, which can be easily removed when working the hive, providing room to move that just isn't there in a ten frame hive. The plans for the follower board are included in his book, and a follower board should be easy enough to make up, except that the width of the follower board (3/8 in or 10 mm) is not a standard stock for pine. This is no problem if one has the right tools, specifically a planer to reduce standard stock (3/4 in) to the needed width, but the price of a planer will more than cover the cost of commercially offered follower boards, except I've never seen follower boards offered commercially. Anyone know of a source? TIA! Aaron Morris From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bbs'ing for Honey Data Base Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 06:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590394@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 127 Adam, could you let me know via e-mail if you find this message in the beekeeping conference. I am having a little problem exporting mail. thanks andy@beenet.com -----due to uucp problems this may be a dup message--------------------- mar 30, 1995 Hello Bee Person's! 1st, I must congratulate all who have made the effort to retrieve the NHB data base file on bees, honey, etc.. Some have failed, don't give up. If you have an interest in keeping bee's, the science of it all, or just would like to have information on honey bee's but don't know who to ask, this data base may be your key to better things. There is nothing like it and the cost is no more then the time you will spend on line downloading it. It is worth every nickel, in my opinion, after 40+ years experience working, wondering, and worrying about my own bee's. I have noted some shall we say "intimidation" on the part of new bbs callers, and I sometimes forget how it feels the first time, on line with a new system, that is until I think about the internet. Well bbs'ing is not like fishing on the internet, but can be frustrating when you don't have the right bait or communications programs, or the right set up for bbs's which are different from calling a commercial dial up system or the internet. My suggestion is that you should know that NO harm is done to Wild Bee's if you just unplug your computer, modem, or phone,.. when all else fails, and I fault no one who does. My Sainted Grandmother would often say something to the effect to me when I passed wind. And after all is that not what most of us really do with modems, "It is far better to pull the plug and bare the shame, then not to, and bare the pain of a inflated telephone bill." Well maybe it was something a little different than that, it was a long time ago. She was the same Grandmother who told me always to put on clean shorts, just in case I got hit by a trolley crossing the street and had to go to the horsepitel for treatment... IS THERE LIFE OTHER THEN INTER-NETTING? Or how to get what I want (HON-BIBL.EXE) for as little time, money or effort from Wild Bee's BBS. foreword: There are ten's of thousands dial up bbs's, Wild Bee's bbs is one of 30,000 bulletin boards that use the Wild Cat Program, and that is only one of the dozen or more bulletin board programs available. Millions of call's every day are made to dial up bbs. Wild Bee's had 600 different caller's last year, and many thousands of calls, we will exceed that this year several times. Most Wild Cat bbs's can be connected to the internet by dial up uucp programs that allow the sysop to download and upload messages to and from internet newsgroups and e-mail. They are not for the most part fully connected to the internet and most can not telenet or be telenetted...you have to dial them up on your nickel. When you do, you should use a communications program that supports bbs-ansi, but other protocols will work, ansi is best. You must set your modem to 8N1, which is different then some of the services like CompuServe. A 14.4 modem is preferred, but a 2400 bd modem will work, just takes a lot longer to do anything. Wild Bee's supports modem speeds to 28.8 bd. All bbs's require some sort of registration to insure some security for the system's operator, after all you are to be a guest in my home even if only a image in cypher space. The questioners are almost standard, and many real bbs'ers use hot keys to fill them out. You will find Wild Bee's new user questioner will take you between 1-3 minutes to fill out depending on how fast you can read and type..the questions are not meant to be personal, we do ask for your Mother's maiden name so if you forget your password we know it is you who is asking. We do not ass on the names of users who's mother's maiden names are the same as their own last name. We are old enough to believe in virgin birth, but believe it is rare anyway, but in this case you need not ask for your passward if you forget it. We also ask you age, sex, address, and phone number. These are only questions to help the sysop better know who is using their board. You would be asked the same questions and more to use the big pay services, so we don't think its a great inconvenience to be required to fill out a questioner to use a *free* service for Beekeepers & Friends of Beekeepers. All answers to questions are for the use of Wild Bee's and are not shared with others. Assuming you got past the questioner, you will wade through 4 or 5 art and informational screens, then you will get to the MAIN menu if you did not give up and drop carrier. If you make it this far then all you have to do is select option [2], (two) to download the file: HON-BIBL.EXE the data base from the National Honey Board with a shareware reader. The file itself is self-extracting and you do not need any other tools to get to the working AUTO READ program with the data base installed. The Auto Read program itself is contained in a pkzip file that you may or may not want to look at. It is not necessary to run the HONEY-94 BIBLIOGRAPHY, as we already set it up for you to use. If you want to find out more about Auto Read you will need to extract the zipped file with the proper pkzip tools available on most bbs's. We included it as a courtesy to the shareware author who wrote the Auto Read program since we are using his program to read the honey data base, you may have better ideas on how to use this file. The original database we got from the NHB was for a Windows program. If you get to the bbs and get a bad connections or just get lost please feel free to drop carrier, and call back and try again. If you can get past the questioner once, you will not have to do it again and can call back using a * in front of your name and bypass the art screens to save time. Last hope is that others will find this effort of value and put the file on other systems for downloading, this will take a few days or weeks, and if all else fails I can freq the file to you via internet e-mail as a file attachment that you will have to de-code. I really don't want to do this as it takes me 3 min on-line time with my internet provider and costs about 60 cents per file. I will do it for those who request it to add to their systems. I do believe that this file is worth the effort, and if it is successful we hope to do another data base soon just on HONEY RECIPES if and when we receive the original data bases from the NHB. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:19 EDT 1995 Article: 1534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Report from swarmy SC Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 15:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590396@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 80 ---------------------------------------- From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 09:16:04 -0500 Subject: Report from swarmy SC Dear Bee-L'ers: We arrived back from our Florida bees last week to South Carolina, to find swarms galore. The season is about a week early, and I am about a week later than I had wanted to be. Dewberries are in full bloom. For those of you a little farther north, especially if you might get busy and not get back to the bees on a timely basis, now is a good time to stack your deadouts on top of something (Do a post mortem to make sure there's no AFB scale first). We've found eight so far that have been occupied by happy swarms, and we've caught two (not from our bees). I say set the deadouts up, because they will attract swarms much better if they are higher, though sometimes they will even come into low hives too. Right now we are on fast forward. We've been splitting the bees that are swarmy, and so far, have been mostly ahead of them, which gives us lots of cells. I used to avoid using swarm cells, reasoning that that encourages the swarmy trait in bees, but I've seen enough weak bees over the fast few years, that I've decided that bees that are strong enough to swarm are just exactly what I want. Each hive that looks good, but has no swarm cells we pull all but two frames of sealed brood from the brood chamber and raise it above the excluder, making sure the queen is below. I like to see them, but this year, this usually means shaking the bees off the brood, and they'll have to walk up through the excluder. We give the queen some nice empty comb in the center of the brood nest to lay in. This effectively stops swarming for a while, and over the first (deep) super with brood, we place a couple shallows. Those that have swarm cells are busted up for spits. Once they have the idea of swarming, it is almost impossible to stop them. Some hobbyists with lots of time cut out the cells, but you are apt to miss just one, and it's likely to be a little tiny one that makes a lousy queen. So the only practical way to save our livestock from running off into the woods is to help them do what they wanted to do - reproduce. We're just about out of nuc boxes, and are running out of comb, so we are trying an old trick that might be useful to others as well. We have A LOT of old junk deeps (with corners rotted off, etc.) We bust up the swarmy bees into 3-5 nucs. Each nuc is placed along one side of a deep box (2-4 frames). We don't look for queens once cells have formed, just making sure each nuc has at least one cell. Frames with cells are handled gently, and never turned upside down, as the queens can be damaged if their wings are in formation at the time. We place these on pallets with a strip of 15# builders felt on the bottom to keep robbers out. Then we take a piece of felt and put it over the tops of the frames and fold it down along the outside frame. We make sure they have an opening, big enough to get in and out, then staple the paper in place. It's a cheap, quick nuc box. After time enough for mating we sort it out. Mated nucs go into regular hives. Unmated ones or ones with poor-looking queens give us back the comb, bees, pollen and honey, before the wax worms get them. Maybe this will stimulate the idea mills, and someone will come up with an even faster and cheaper way (that's the only way to survive in this marginal business). I'd love to hear from you. The cold February weather made Florida's orange bloom very late, which beekeepers usually like, because it gives the bees time to build up some more. I just talked with a Florida b-kpr since I got back home, and he's afraid it will be a short bloom, as well. Hmmm - we'll see. I have bees in squash, and the grower made a pile of squash until the grove next door began to bloom. Then the bees happily flew over the squash to the oranges, much to the growers consternation. But a few are still doing squash. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:20 EDT 1995 Article: 1535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No bees here! Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <950402135832102@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 14 From: Casey Burns Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:05:23 -0700 Subject: No bees here! Cherries and other fruit trees are in full bloom - as well as dandilions, etc. Warm (60 - 70 F) weather - but I haven't seen a honey bee in over a month (mine were all wiped out - apparently, all other hives in the area were also - by Varroa). Seen fewer bumblebees this year - but lots of Mason Carpenter bees. Anyone else in W. Washington making the same observations? Casey Burns From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping & Development Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590147@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3kpg31INN5jl@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Lines: 40 ---------------------------------------- From: "M.Westby (Max Westby)" Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:52:13 +0000 Subject: Beekeeping & Development I wonder how many of you people know about the quarterly journal called Beekeeping and Development? I have been subscribing to this for a couple of years and find it very interesting, giving a totally different perspective on beekeeping as a low tech sustainable activity for developing countries. The Journal is produced by Bees for Development which is a non-profit making company. It is sponsored in part by the UN FAO. It depends on subsciptions and donations for its survival and the production costs are also supported by 'World Vision UK'. The Editor is Dr Nicola Bradbear. Address: Bees For development, Troy, Monmouth, NP5 4AB United Kingdom. Her e-mail address is 100410.2631@compuserve.com. Fax +44 (0)1600 716167. Subscription rates are GBP16.00 or USD35.00. All income is used to provide information for beekeepers in developing countries. They have a very interesting booklist and articles from recent issues deal with such things as low cost hive design, queen rearing in top bar hives, the problems of misuse of pesticides in developing countries and their impact on beekeeping etc. I'm sure many of you will be as interested in this very worthwhile project as I am. Cheers, Max ||| (@ @) ---------------------------------------------ooOo-( )-oOoo----- Max Westby (Among other things a Sheffield Beekeeper) South Yorkshire Beekeepers Association BBKA apiary reg: JQ34 Phone (Home): +44 (0)114 236 1038 Fax: +44 (0)114 276 6515 e-mail: m.westby@sheffield.ac.uk World Wide Web Site: http://www2.shef.ac.uk/default.html --------------------------------------------------------------- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:23 EDT 1995 Article: 1537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey-Beekeeping Data Bas Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 20:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590152@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 24 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | NEWS FROM WILD BEE'S BBS @ 209-826-8107 | | | | Wild Bee's BBS has added a beekeeping data base file | | received from the NATIONAL HONEY BOARD's FOOD TECHNOLOGY | | PROGRAM. | | | | The file was made for MICROSOFT WORD for Windows. | | | | We will be looking for a pure ascii translation so | | anyone can read it without buying Windoz or any other | | program. Until then all are welcome to call and down- | | load the file. It can be read with most any text reader | | without much extraneous windoz stuff. | | | | The file name is: HONEY-94.DOC, size 346k, you must | | call the bbs for this file as I can't afford to e-mail | | it to everyone who wants it. Andy- | |____________________________________________________________| OR you can contact the NHB Food Technology Program and have it mailed to you. email: 74512.2455@compuserv.com..... From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:24 EDT 1995 Article: 1538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adulteration Big Time Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:38:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590257@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 63 INDICTMENT OF THE "Largest Industrial (Honey Packer) in the U.S." A multiple US Grand Jury Indictment may be years away from any conviction, and with our system of justice it is interesting, but does not mean more then if you are indicted you better get a lawyer and get your house in order, because the government is going to put you away if you don't, or if you can't afford a defence. In this case for 65 years and fines of $4 million. The Groeb's, Earnest Jr., and son's Ernie Lee and Troy, along with two employees have been charged and indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice for adulterating Honey, and selling it as "Pure Honey", to industrial users. They deny all 19 charges. The Groeb's own Groeb Farms Inc., and have honey packing plants in Onsted, Mich., and Belleview, Fla. The government says the Groeb's made more then $1 million between 1988 and 1992 by selling "HONEY" to food product manufactures that had corn syrup added and was represented to be USDA Grade A Honey. The government contends the Groeb's purchased millions of pounds of corn syrup and only sold small amounts to other beekeepers for feeding bees or used it themselves to feed their own bees. The trial is 6 months to 1 year away, as the Groeb's defence attorney has been handed "one million pages of documents" to read under court "discovery" proceedings. This case is interesting and I have no idea of how the Groeb's conducted their business and as far as I know have never met any of them. A point I would make is that many individual beekeepers in the U.S. purchased million's of pounds of "corn syrup" for feeding bee's and I doubt that many of them could prove to a court that they did not mix it with their honey during the extraction process, especially if some disgruntled ex-employee said they did. In the Groeb's case, so far NO government evidence is reported that any product shipped from their plants was analysed by anyone to see if it contained anything but "Pure Honey". This disturbs me, as I know for a fact small amounts of corn syrup can be detected in Honey, (at least in my own), and much honey is checked for corn syrups and other sugars. And that honey if found with added sugar syrups is rejected from sale as Honey if it is foreign honey. More often then not it is sold at a loss to the producer and purchased by Honey Packers to be used in industrial blends that call for Honey blended with sugars. I also know of other Honey Packers who routinely bid and provide add mixtures of Honey and sugar as provided for in their industrial contracts and are large users of sugar syrups. Some pack fruits and other products that use sugar and small amounts of honey. It stretch's creditability that the government would bring charges of "Adulteration of Honey" without analytical lab data that the Honey in question was indeed adulterated, unless the samples they took could not be used to prove adulteration. In this case the government seems to be relying on a paper trail, and that frightens me as I know how some beekeepers big and small handle paper...don't ask me how I used the twenty tankers of sugar syrup I purchased in 1988. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion's are not necessarily facts. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:25 EDT 1995 Article: 1539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 01:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590275@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3l9241$4bf@giga.bga.com> Lines: 11 K<>From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) <>fshjam01@protem.uct.ac.za wrote: <>: As a beekeeper for many years I have collected wax/pollen and of course K<>propolis can be used to make a good varnish for violins. Some folk think <>that is what stradavari used. I know he use it, I sold it too him. Andy- OLd Drone From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:27 EDT 1995 Article: 1540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *new file* Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:42:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590281@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 49 HONE-BIBL.ZIP 223K (A bibliography of beekeeping information, with abstracts) A must have file for all who are interested in honey, bees, and the science of it all. I personally guarantee that there is something of value here for all, including hobbyist, commercial, academic, or regulatory. Brian and I have put this information in a form that anyone with a personal computer, DOS, can use. Because of my own limited financial conditions I can not send this file via the internet File Request or FAQ, but all are welcome to call and download it. Wild Bee's BBS @ 209-826-8107 <2400 to 28.8 baud> I have posted the file to Europe via Hugo Veerkamp in Holland and he will make the file available to all there. Special Thanks to BRIAN FERGUSON for working on this file with me. And working over the HONEY-94 data base provided by the NATIONAL HONEY BOARD, FOOD TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM at Thomas J. Payne Market Development San Francisco, California. Supported by all United States honey consumers when they buy honey. * To fast use this program [autoread.exe] and move down the list to "HONREF.TXT" [ENTER]. Then hit [F2] and you will find a list of topics. You can add to the list with the [F7] key...Read the Doc's for more features of the Auto Read Program. Go for it..!! * You are welcome to read the doc's and set up your own index files, the limit is 500. Auto Read is a shareware program and we can not tell you if it can still be registered as the author is in Australia and we have not heard from him for several years... The idea for this project was that of Wild Bee's BBS and the system's operator, Andy Nachbaur. Comments to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com or call the bbs @ 209-826-8107. Located in the Central Valley of California at Dos Palos.. Andy and Brian have done 80+ years at hard labor in the bee's. (c) Permission to reproduce is granted. AUTO READ(c) is a sharware program and information on registration is included in the archive. The Honey-94(c) data files are for public use and any other (commercial use) requires written permission from the National Honey Board, Longmont, Colorado 303-776-1177 or FAX 303-776-1177... <30> From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:28 EDT 1995 Article: 1541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590282@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3l9241$4bf@giga.bga.com> Lines: 11 K<>From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) <>fshjam01@protem.uct.ac.za wrote: <>: As a beekeeper for many years I have collected wax/pollen and of course K<>propolis can be used to make a good varnish for violins. Some folk think <>that is what stradavari used. I know he used it, I sold it too him. Andy- OLd Drone From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:29 EDT 1995 Article: 1542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *new file* Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590283@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 48 HONE-BIBL.ZIP 223K (A bibliography of beekeeping information, with abstracts) A must have file for all who are interested in honey, bees, and the science of it all. I personally guarantee that there is something of value here for all, including hobbyist, commercial, academic, or regulatory. Brian and I have put this information in a form that anyone with a personal computer, DOS, can use. Because of my own limited financial conditions I can not send this file via the internet File Request or FAQ, but all are welcome to call and download it. Wild Bee's BBS @ 209-826-8107 <2400 to 28.8 baud> I have posted the file to Europe via Hugo Veerkamp in Holland and he will make the file available to all there. Special Thanks to BRIAN FERGUSON for working on this file with me. And working over the HONEY-94 data base provided by the NATIONAL HONEY BOARD, FOOD TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM at Thomas J. Payne Market Development San Francisco, California. Supported by all United States honey consumers when they buy honey. * To fast use this program [autoread.exe] and move down the list to "HONREF.TXT" [ENTER]. Then hit [F2] and you will find a list of topics. You can add to the list with the [F7] key...Read the Doc's for more features of the Auto Read Program. Go for it..!! * You are welcome to read the doc's and set up your own index files, the limit is 500. Auto Read is a shareware program and we can not tell you if it can still be registered as the author is in Australia and we have not heard from him for several years... The idea for this project was that of Wild Bee's BBS and the system's operator, Andy Nachbaur. Comments to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com or call the bbs @ 209-826-8107. Located in the Central Valley of California at Dos Palos.. Andy and Brian have done 80+ years at hard labor in the bee's. (c) Permission to reproduce is granted. AUTO READ(c) is a sharware program and information on registration is included in the archive. The Honey-94(c) data files are for public use and any other (commercial use) requires written permission from the National Honey Board, Longmont, Colorado 303-776-1177 or FAX 303-776-1177. ...<30>...<30>...<30>.... From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:30 EDT 1995 Article: 1543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: *new file* error Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 04:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590284@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 55 errata 3/29 *HON-BIBL.ZIP 223K or HON-BIBL.EXE* (A bibliography of beekeeping information, with abstracts) A must have file for all who are interested in honey, bees, and the science of it all. I personally guarantee that there is something of value here for all, including hobbyist, commercial, academic, or regulatory. Brian and I have put this information in a form that anyone with a personal computer, DOS, can use. Because of my own limited financial conditions I can not send this file via the internet File Request or FAQ, but all are welcome to call and download it. Wild Bee's BBS @ 209-826-8107 <2400 to 28.8 baud> ** From the Main Menu ENTER [2] and you will have this file in the self-extracting version in a few minutes depending on the speed of your modem. Wild Bee's is an ansi bbs and has been called over 20,000 times from all over the world for files and mail so don't give up if you find the environment strange. I have posted the file to Europe via Hugo Veerkamp in Holland and he will make the file available to all there. Special Thanks to BRIAN FERGUSON for working on this file with me. And working over the HONEY-94 data base provided by the NATIONAL HONEY BOARD, FOOD TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM at Thomas J. Payne Market Development San Francisco, California. Supported by all United States honey consumers when they buy honey. * To fast use this program [autoread.exe] and move down the list to "HONREF.TXT" [ENTER]. Then hit [F2] and you will find a list of topics. You can add to the list with the [F7] key...Read the Doc's for more features of the Auto Read Program. Go for it..!! * You are welcome to read the doc's and set up your own index files, the limit is 500. Auto Read is a shareware program and we can not tell you if it can still be registered as the author is in Australia and we have not heard from him for several years... The idea for this project was that of Wild Bee's BBS and the system's operator, Andy Nachbaur. Comments to andy.nachbaur@beenet.com or call the bbs @ 209-826-8107. Located in the Central Valley of California at Los Banos.. Andy and Brian have done 80+ years at hard labor in the bee's. (c) Permission to reproduce is granted. AUTO READ(c) is a sharware program and information on registration is included in the archive. The Honey-94(c) data files are for public use and any other (commercial use) requires written permission from the National Honey Board, Longmont, Colorado 303-776-1177 or FAX 303-776-1177. errata 3/29 ...<30>...<30>...<30>.... From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:32 EDT 1995 Article: 1544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bbs'ing for Honey Data Ba Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 00:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590390@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 122 ---------------------------------------- mar 30, 1995 Hello Bee Person's! 1st, I must congratulate all who have made the effort to retrieve the NHB data base file on bees, honey, etc.. Some have failed, don't give up. If you have an interest in keeping bee's, the science of it all, or just would like to have information on honey bee's but don't know who to ask, this data base may be your key to better things. There is nothing like it and the cost is no more then the time you will spend on line downloading it. It is worth every nickel, in my opinion, after 40+ years experience working, wondering, and worrying about my own bee's. I have noted some shall we say "intimidation" on the part of new bbs callers, and I sometimes forget how it feels the first time, on line with a new system, that is until I think about the internet. Well bbs'ing is not like fishing on the internet, but can be frustrating when you don't have the right bait or communications programs, or the right set up for bbs's which are different from calling a commercial dial up system or the internet. My suggestion is that you should know that NO harm is done to Wild Bee's if you just unplug your computer, modem, or phone,.. when all else fails, and I fault no one who does. My Sainted Grandmother would often say something to the effect to me when I passed wind. And after all is that not what most of us really do with modems, "It is far better to pull the plug and bare the shame, then not to, and bare the pain of a inflated telephone bill." Well maybe it was something a little different than that, it was a long time ago. She was the same Grandmother who told me always to put on clean shorts, just in case I got hit by a trolley crossing the street and had to go to the horsepitel for treatment... IS THERE LIFE OTHER THEN INTER-NETTING? Or how to get what I want (HON-BIBL.EXE) for as little time, money or effort from Wild Bee's BBS. foreword: There are ten's of thousands dial up bbs's, Wild Bee's bbs is one of 30,000 bulletin boards that use the Wild Cat Program, and that is only one of the dozen or more bulletin board programs available. Millions of call's every day are made to dial up bbs. Wild Bee's had 600 different caller's last year, and many thousands of calls, we will exceed that this year several times. Most Wild Cat bbs's can be connected to the internet by dial up uucp programs that allow the sysop to download and upload messages to and from internet newsgroups and e-mail. They are not for the most part fully connected to the internet and most can not telenet or be telenetted...you have to dial them up on your nickel. When you do, you should use a communications program that supports bbs-ansi, but other protocols will work, ansi is best. You must set your modem to 8N1, which is different then some of the services like CompuServe. A 14.4 modem is preferred, but a 2400 bd modem will work, just takes a lot longer to do anything. Wild Bee's supports modem speeds to 28.8 bd. All bbs's require some sort of registration to insure some security for the system's operator, after all you are to be a guest in my home even if only a image in cypher space. The questioners are almost standard, and many real bbs'ers use hot keys to fill them out. You will find Wild Bee's new user questioner will take you between 1-3 minutes to fill out depending on how fast you can read and type..the questions are not meant to be personal, we do ask for your Mother's maiden name so if you forget your password we know it is you who is asking. We do not pass on the names of users who's mother's maiden names are the same as their own last name. We are old enough to believe in virgin birth, but believe it is rare anyway, but in this case you need not ask for your passward if you forget it. We also ask you age, sex, address, and phone umber. These are only questions to help the sysop better know who is using their board. You would be asked the same questions and more to use the big pay services, so we don't think its a great inconvenience to be required to fill out a questioner to use a *free* service for Beekeepers & Friends of Beekeepers. All answers to questions are for the use of Wild Bee's and are not shared with others. Assuming you got past the questioner, you will wade through 4 or 5 art and informational screens, then you will get to the MAIN menu if you did not give up and drop carrier. If you make it this far then all you have to do is select option [2], (two) to download the file: HON-BIBL.EXE the data base from the National Honey Board with a shareware reader. The file itself is self-extracting and you do not need any other tools to get to the working AUTO READ program with the data base installed. The Auto Read program itself is contained in a pkzip file that you may or may not want to look at. It is not necessary to run the HONEY-94 BIBLIOGRAPHY, as we already set it up for you to use. If you want to find out more about Auto Read you will need to extract the zipped file with the proper pkzip tools available on most bbs's. We included it as a courtesy to the shareware author who wrote the Auto Read program since we are using his program to read the honey data base, you may have better ideas on how to use this file. The original database we got from the NHB was for a Windows program. If you get to the bbs and get a bad connections or just get lost please feel free to drop carrier, and call back and try again. If you can get past the questioner once, you will not have to do it again and can call back using a * in front of your name and bypass the art screens to save time. Last hope is that others will find this effort of value and put the file on other systems for downloading, this will take a few days or weeks, and if all else fails I can freq the file to you via internet e-mail as a file attachment that you will have to de-code. I really don't want to do this as it takes me 3 min on-line time with my internet provider and costs about 60 cents per file. I will do it for those who request it to add to their systems. I do believe that this file is worth the effort, and if it is successful we hope to do another data base soon just on HONEY RECIPES if and when we receive the original data bases from the NHB. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Non bee pollen Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 01:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590391@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <1995Mar30.085851.6408@tower> Lines: 24 L<>From: lso@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu <>HELP!!!! <>I need pollen to feed a colony of predatory mites. The problem <>I have is that these mites will not accept bee-pollen. I need it L<>from the plant directly. Is there anyplace I can buy pollen from? <>I can use as much as I can get. <>Thank you for any help you can give me. This is urgent. <>Lance Osborne <>University of Florida Hello Lance, Well this could be a problem as what pollen available may not be such good food. Check out any date growers, and some palms produce buckets in the tropics. But have no idea of the food value to your pets. For bee's these pollen are of little or no value. I would look to yeasts for replacements for pollen in insect diets, would seem that mites would be no different. The yeast are not that expensive and available from many different sources. ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:36 EDT 1995 Article: 1546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Non bee pollen Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 03:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590392@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <1995Mar30.085851.6408@tower> Lines: 22 L<>From: lso@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu <>HELP!!!! <>I need pollen to feed a colony of predatory mites. The problem <>I have is that these mites will not accept bee-pollen. I need it L<>from the plant directly. Is there anyplace I can buy pollen from? <>I can use as much as I can get. <>Thank you for any help you can give me. This is urgent. Hello Lance, Well this could be a problem as what pollen available may not be such good food. Check out any date growers, and some palms produce buckets in the tropics. But have no idea of the food value to your pets. For bee's these pollen are of little or no value. I would look to yeasts for replacements for pollen in insect diets, would seem that mites would be no different. The yeast are not that expensive and available from many different sources. ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bbs'ing for Honey Data Ba Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 03:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <95040210590393@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 123 -----due to uucp problems this may be a dup message--------------------- mar 30, 1995 Hello Bee Person's! 1st, I must congratulate all who have made the effort to retrieve the NHB data base file on bees, honey, etc.. Some have failed, don't give up. If you have an interest in keeping bee's, the science of it all, or just would like to have information on honey bee's but don't know who to ask, this data base may be your key to better things. There is nothing like it and the cost is no more then the time you will spend on line downloading it. It is worth every nickel, in my opinion, after 40+ years experience working, wondering, and worrying about my own bee's. I have noted some shall we say "intimidation" on the part of new bbs callers, and I sometimes forget how it feels the first time, on line with a new system, that is until I think about the internet. Well bbs'ing is not like fishing on the internet, but can be frustrating when you don't have the right bait or communications programs, or the right set up for bbs's which are different from calling a commercial dial up system or the internet. My suggestion is that you should know that NO harm is done to Wild Bee's if you just unplug your computer, modem, or phone,.. when all else fails, and I fault no one who does. My Sainted Grandmother would often say something to the effect to me when I passed wind. And after all is that not what most of us really do with modems, "It is far better to pull the plug and bare the shame, then not to, and bare the pain of a inflated telephone bill." Well maybe it was something a little different than that, it was a long time ago. She was the same Grandmother who told me always to put on clean shorts, just in case I got hit by a trolley crossing the street and had to go to the horsepitel for treatment... IS THERE LIFE OTHER THEN INTER-NETTING? Or how to get what I want (HON-BIBL.EXE) for as little time, money or effort from Wild Bee's BBS. foreword: There are ten's of thousands dial up bbs's, Wild Bee's bbs is one of 30,000 bulletin boards that use the Wild Cat Program, and that is only one of the dozen or more bulletin board programs available. Millions of call's every day are made to dial up bbs. Wild Bee's had 600 different caller's last year, and many thousands of calls, we will exceed that this year several times. Most Wild Cat bbs's can be connected to the internet by dial up uucp programs that allow the sysop to download and upload messages to and from internet newsgroups and e-mail. They are not for the most part fully connected to the internet and most can not telenet or be telenetted...you have to dial them up on your nickel. When you do, you should use a communications program that supports bbs-ansi, but other protocols will work, ansi is best. You must set your modem to 8N1, which is different then some of the services like CompuServe. A 14.4 modem is preferred, but a 2400 bd modem will work, just takes a lot longer to do anything. Wild Bee's supports modem speeds to 28.8 bd. All bbs's require some sort of registration to insure some security for the system's operator, after all you are to be a guest in my home even if only a image in cypher space. The questioners are almost standard, and many real bbs'ers use hot keys to fill them out. You will find Wild Bee's new user questioner will take you between 1-3 minutes to fill out depending on how fast you can read and type..the questions are not meant to be personal, we do ask for your Mother's maiden name so if you forget your password we know it is you who is asking. We do not pass on the names of users who's mother's maiden names are the same as their own last name. We are old enough to believe in virgin birth, but believe it is rare anyway, but in this case you need not ask for your passward if you forget it. We also ask you age, sex, address, and phone umber. These are only questions to help the sysop better know who is using their board. You would be asked the same questions and more to use the big pay services, so we don't think its a great inconvenience to be required to fill out a questioner to use a *free* service for Beekeepers & Friends of Beekeepers. All answers to questions are for the use of Wild Bee's and are not shared with others. Assuming you got past the questioner, you will wade through 4 or 5 art and informational screens, then you will get to the MAIN menu if you did not give up and drop carrier. If you make it this far then all you have to do is select option [2], (two) to download the file: HON-BIBL.EXE the data base from the National Honey Board with a shareware reader. The file itself is self-extracting and you do not need any other tools to get to the working AUTO READ program with the data base installed. The Auto Read program itself is contained in a pkzip file that you may or may not want to look at. It is not necessary to run the HONEY-94 BIBLIOGRAPHY, as we already set it up for you to use. If you want to find out more about Auto Read you will need to extract the zipped file with the proper pkzip tools available on most bbs's. We included it as a courtesy to the shareware author who wrote the Auto Read program since we are using his program to read the honey data base, you may have better ideas on how to use this file. The original database we got from the NHB was for a Windows program. If you get to the bbs and get a bad connections or just get lost please feel free to drop carrier, and call back and try again. If you can get past the questioner once, you will not have to do it again and can call back using a * in front of your name and bypass the art screens to save time. Last hope is that others will find this effort of value and put the file on other systems for downloading, this will take a few days or weeks, and if all else fails I can freq the file to you via internet e-mail as a file attachment that you will have to de-code. I really don't want to do this as it takes me 3 min on-line time with my internet provider and costs about 60 cents per file. I will do it for those who request it to add to their systems. I do believe that this file is worth the effort, and if it is successful we hope to do another data base soon just on HONEY RECIPES if and when we receive the original data bases from the NHB. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From pollinator@aol.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does Honey Go Bad In The Hive? Date: 1 Apr 1995 08:06:23 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 67 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ljj4f$745@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Gary (socrates@gate.net) says: I have access to 2 honey bee hives that have been abandon and have not been maintained for at least five years. The bees left one of the hives about a month ago and I harvested the honey and wax. Gary, Before commenting on the honey, I'd like to call attention to the live hive. You may have a million dollar baby there! It is unlikely that the bees left the one you found abandoned. They probably died out from varroa mites, though it could have been starvation, or foulbrood disease, or queen failure, etc. But any hive that has survived for five years now without treatment for varroa mites, should be checked immediately by someone who knows what he is doing, to see if they have any resistance to varroa mite. You might want to call your bee inspector or a queen breeder for advice and personal inspection. If the hive is mite resistant, it could be very valuable. Where are you located? If you are close, I'd be interested myself. I've made a standing offer to landowners around here. If they can provide me with a live wild hive that has survived for two years without any treatment, I'll take the queen and test her and her daughters for one year. If I find any varroa mite resistance, I'll pay them $500. Not a bad return for simply calling my attention to it. But it's a one-in-a-million shot, as it may be a swarm lost from treated bees, and these might survive a year or so, before the mites overtake them. >Most of the frames in the abandoned hive had a very dark honey, a couple were golden and a couple had a deep green tinge. The combs in the top two supers were intact but the brood super had some combs that were dried out and there was some mildew (I did not harvest this honey). >The bees in the active hive are very docile and all three supers are being used. >Would it be safe to consume the honey from either of these two hives? If not, what use could I put the honey to? Should I just feed it back to the bees? Did the honey in the dead hive have a sour smell? My experience is that honey stored on a dead hive, or one that is too weak to keep it dry, will absorb moisture from the air and begin to ferment. Of course, if it is cold, fermentation will be very slow. Make sure the deadout does not have foulbrood disease by checking for scale in the brood chamber. Then use the honey for feed for bees if it is sour smelling. If it still smells okay, place it on your live one for a few days to let them get the moisture level down, then remove and extract. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk Fri Apr 7 11:45:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!wendy.ibmpcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!posnet!hugo.veerkamp Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NBB newsletter of month 04,95 Message-ID: <950401230009245@posnet.co.uk> From: hugo.veerkamp@posnet.co.uk (Hugo Veerkamp) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 22:31:12 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Positive Place Lines: 144 hi all, This monthly newsletter is published simultaneously in BEENET, in sci.agiculture.beekeeping newsgroup and in BEE-L. H.V. =================================================================== Northern Bee books Newsletter BeeBooks Digest--Apicultural Publications and Issues Volume 1, Number 2, april 1995 (c) H.Veerkamp & J.Burbidge. " all rights reserved" =================================================================== INTRODUCTION Yet another beekeeping newsletter on the web...the more, the merrier, I'd say. This newsletter is an attempt at making information on newly appearing beebooks as well as on those 'golden oldies', available to the beekeeping community. Our main source of info will be at Northern bee books UK, but input( related to beebooks) from others is hereby cordially invited. Hugo Veerkamp, Amsterdam, Holland editor, NBB newsletter OTHER APIARY CREATURES There is a series of naturalists' handbooks which are written and illustrated with great accuracy and are unbeatable value for making possible the easy and positive identification of some other common flying insects. Northern Bee Books stocks three: Solitary Wasps (Yeo and Corbet), Bumblebees (Prys-Jones and Corbet) and Dragonflies (Miller). They are ideal for presents for beekeepers and others and will give pleasure for years. Yeo and Corbet: Solitary Wasps Prys-Jones and Corbet: Bumblebees Miller: Dragonflies SOCIAL WASPS At the other end of the price scale is Social Wasps by Robin Edwards, from the Rentokil Library. It's a hefty #31 but good value because of the continuing interest it engenders in these beautiful, useful, intelligent and gentle insects, close relatives of our bees which get so much unjustified bad publicity. Social wasps can be a problem in the apiary at some times, knowledge of their life cycle and habits will enable beekeepers to counter their unwanted attentions effectively and humanely. Robin Edwards: Social Wasps VARROA BOOKS The creature none of us wants but all will have in our apiaries is Varroa jacobsoni. There will be much more written about the parasite as more is revealed through research and experience, presently you can't do better than read The New Varroa Handbook (Mobus & de Bruyn) or Varroa Mesh Floors (P.A.M.) Mobus & de Bruyn: The New Varroa Handbook P.A.M.: Varroa Mesh Floors A TRUE REFERENCE The most gasped-at price is attached to Bees and Beekeeping, the ordinary sounding title of an extraordinarily comprehensive book. Dr Eva Crane, an international legend for many years, produced this huge book What's in it? Everything you can think of about the science and practice of beekeeping known to date. A true reference book with extensive indices and bibliography. Everyone who is serious about wanting to know about bees and beekeeping should have one. Dr Eva Crane: Bees and Beekeeping BEEKEEPING POETRY A nice little hardback by Amoret Scott which will not improve your beekeeping in any way - except perhaps to make you muse on your love of bees. 'A Murmur of bees' is an anthology of poetry, prose and doggerel about bees and beekeeping which ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous. It is by no means exhaustive, but it is a good selection of the best in the field, with a few gems. Amoret Scott: A Murmur of bees THE BEE BOOK BOOK In 1991 Northern Bee Books published 'The Bee Book Book', by Geoffrey Lawes. This is for serious bibliophiles or browsers, something you could live without but wouldn't want to once you have it. You may not think that you want to know anything about bee books which you don't already know but this little red book has a seductive quality which keeps drawing one back to its pages. It covers history, collecting, restoration and too much more to list here. Geoffrey Lawes: The Bee Book Book POLLEN LOADS Pollen, a vital protein for bee brood. To get the best from it and thence for ourbees it will be beneficial to learn more about local supplies. Dorothy Hodges will be remembered for her study of 'The Pollen Loads of the Honey Bee', the first edition of which had hand painted panels of perfectly matched colours. A recent edition this classical work is available. Rex Sawyer also made his name in the field of pollen identification in honeys, thereby proving or disproving alleged sources in court. 'Pollen Identification for Beekeepers' is also difficult to find but its companion volume, 'Honey Identification', is out of print. The newest book on the pollen scene is also a colour chart of pollens 'A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee', not to be confused with Hodges despite its similar title. William Kirk's work shows pollen colours of 268 German and British plants with text in English, French and German. Kirk gives much credit to Hodges in his explanatory notes and there is a useful paragraph for students about measuring relative pollen grain sizes, an important part of the identification.It is Spiral bound to lie flat. Dorothy Hodges: The Pollen Loads of the Honey Bee William Kirk: A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee Rex Sawyer: Pollen Identification for Beekeepers Rex Sawyer: Honey Identification ============================================================================= for further inquiries about books reviewed or book catalog, please send E-mail to: Jeremy Burbidge at ruxbury@delphi.com or to: Hugo Veerkamp at Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org --- * Origin: zzz the BEE bbs Amsterdam Holland +31 20.6764105 zzz (240:31/0) From HYXD75A@prodigy.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: HYXD75A@prodigy.com (Joseph Curtin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vanishing hives Date: 3 Apr 1995 03:20:05 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap4.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I lost all three of my hives late last summer after a good harvest. Many hobby beekeepers I'm in touch with experenced the same thing. No sign of illness or mites that I could see any suggestion? From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail_4/95 Date: 3 Apr 1995 12:54:22 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 322 Message-ID: <3lor5u$aog@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 12:48:50 +0100 Reply-To: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk ===================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. Andrew Matheson, Director **April 1995** ===================================================== INFORMATION Recent discussion on some of the beekeeping newsgroups now available started me thinking about information sources; how abundant and how easily accessible they are. The topic under review was New Zealand's bee health status and bee health protection programme in relation to US imports. I don't want to get into that debate (at least, not now), but because I know something of the subject I was struck by the type of questions being aired. Where do you go, if you suddenly want to find out about a subject that's new or obscure, at least to you? Starting from scratch that's sometimes a hard question to answer. Using our BeeSearch service at IBRA's library, a simple search for the term 'New Zealand' in abstracts and titles from 1983-1994 produced 276 items. Obviously putting in a more specific request, such as for diseases, would generate a smaller but more focused bibliography. The strength of Apicultural Abstracts, on which BeeSearch is based, is that it covers so much material not covered elsewhere: industry journals and the so-called 'grey literature' which is otherwise impossible to find. And of course almost all the items are available from IBRA's library. Following the New Zealand theme, the BeeSearch enquiry would have thrown up really useful current reviews such as those listed below, which give you in one place a good analysis of the situation and a reference list for further searching. Occasionally it produces gems for people seeking comprehensive information, such as a bibliography. The message? There are good information services available, and even a simple and relatively inexpensive search can give an enquirer a good head start. Review articles, and especially bibliographies, can unlock a goldmine of further references. Discussion on any issue can take place on an informed basis - even for something as obscure (to some people!) as New Zealand. SOME REVIEW ARTICLES COVERING NEW ZEALAND BEEKEEPING The numbers given at the end of references denote entries in Apicultural Abstracts. Diseases Reid, M (1988) Diseases of honey bees in New Zealand. Surveillance 15(5): 15-17. 1238L/89 Disease control Van Eaton, C (1992) New developments in the control of honey bee diseases in New Zealand. Surveillance 19(1): 8-9. 1255/93 Kiwifruit pollination Van Eaton, C (1992) Kiwifruit pollination and production. Gleanings in Bee Culture 120(9): 494-497. 1416/93 Bibliography Reid, G M et al. (1988) A bibliography of New Zealand apiculture 1842- 1986. 140 pages. GBP 10.00 plus postage from IBRA. 441/89 Review of industry Matheson, A (1992) Beekeeping: leading agricultural change in New Zealand. 32 pages. IBRA publication M123; GBP 3.75 plus postage from IBRA. 850/92 MITES ON THE MARCH Varroa has been discovered on an island in Torres Strait between Papua New Guinea and the Australian mainland, in feral colonies of Apis cerana. The island where the mites were found has been declared an infected area, along with two close neighbours, by the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS). These islands are Australian territory even though they are only a few kilometres from PNG; the Australian mainland, 150 km to the south, remains free of both the mite and Apis cerana. Varroa was first found in PNG in 1986 and is assumed to have spread from honey bee colonies moved to Irian Jaya (which shares the island of New Guinea with PNG) from other parts of Indonesia. AQIS has been monitoring the spread of varroa through PNG and Irian Jaya as part of a research programme, and also maintains strict controls on the movement of plants, animals and their products in Torres Strait. A 35-km stretch of open seas south of the infested islands provides a natural barrier to the further spread of the Asian hive bee. AND TRACHEAL MITES The tracheal mite Acarapis woodi has been detected in South Africa for the first time. This isn't too surprising in that the tracheal mite has been recorded from subequatorial Africa, and that knowledge of the bee health status of South Africa's neighbours is quite limited. However, this species has not been recorded from South Africa before, presumably despite past sampling. FREE UPDATE TO BEE HEALTH REPORT I published a comprehensive review of world bee health in Bee World in 1993, which is available for sale as a separate reprint from IBRA. An update was published in the first issue of Bee World for 1995, including new records for 48 territories. This update will be included free of charge with all copies of the original review from now on. 'World bee health report', IBRA publication M127, 37 pages. Now with 9 page supplement. GBP 4.25 plus postage, available from IBRA. AND MORE ON INFORMATION SERVICES There's been an explosion in information sources and discussion forums on the internet, as anyone who hasn't been on another planet for the past twelve months has noticed. No-one can hope to keep up with it all, but in B.mail I hope to feature some places you can go on the net that are interesting and informative. This month's offering comes courtesy of Adam Finklestein in Virginia, USA (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu), who is very active in promoting internet use for beekeepers. Adam has prepared a useful directory of internet resources relating to beekeeping in a set of FAQ (frequently asked questions). To get hold of the latest copy of the beekeeping FAQ go to the Worldwide Web page with URL: http://www/cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html Once here (using a web browser of course) look for beekeeping. The FAQ starts with 'sci.agriculture...' but is archived alphabetically under 'B' for beekeeping. You can also get this through ftp: FTP rtfm.mit.edu; log on anonymous, then cd to /pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq. You can also FTP to: ftp.uu.net /usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq. If you can't use FTP, you may email for the faq to mail- server@rtfm.mit.edu. Use no subject heading and in the body of the letter put: 'send usenet/news.answers/beekeepig-faq'. The beekeeping faq is posted every month to a number of usenet sites: news.answers, sci.answers, misc.answers, alt.answers, rec.answers, as well as sci.agriculture.beekeeping, misc.rural, alt.sustainable.agriculture, and rec.gardens. WWW And here's an interesting Worldwide Web URL that wasn't in the faq last time I looked: Stephen Buchmann at the USDA research station in Tucson, Arizona, has been responsible for setting up GEARS (Global Entomology Agricultural Research Server). It went online on 1 February 1995 and averages 1,500 to 2,000 file requests per day; and was recently selected as the hottest site (or is it the coolest site?) by Wired magazine. Visit GEARS at: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/ LAST CALL FOR BEE CONSERVATION MEETING The symposium 'Conserving Europe's bees' is nearly upon us and on 6 and 7 April many of the active bee scientists in Europe, and a number from further afield, will be in London at what promises to be a very stimulating gathering. Places are still available, but you'll have to register fast to be sure of being able to take part. Contact john@linnean.demon.co.uk. I want to record my appreciation of the four session convenors who have worked with me in putting this together: Professor Ingrid Williams, IACR Rothamsted, UK (IBRA council chairman) Christopher O'Toole, University Museum, Oxford, UK (IBRA council member) Dr Stephen Buchmann, USDA-ARS, Tucson, USA Dr Paul Westrich, Institut fur Wildbienenkunde, Tuebingen, Germany. The symposium is being cohosted by the Linnean Society of London, Dr John Marsden, Executive Secretary. BUMBLE BEES FOR PLEASURE AND PROFIT Here's another meeting being organized by IBRA, this time not only on a scientific theme but with lots of good, practical information about bumble bees. It's designed for anyone who wants to make money or just learn about these fascinating beasts. Mark your diary for Saturday 23 September 1995 and plan to be in London, UK. The programme is given below, and we'll have registration forms available from IBRA really soon. Contact us for more information. Programme 0945-1015 Registration Chairman: Andrew Matheson, Director, International Bee Research Association 1015-1050 Why bumble bees are special Dr Sarah A. Corbet, Zoology Department, University of Cambridge, UK 1050-1125 Bumble bees in the countryside Dr Gary Fry, Norwegian Institute for Nature Research, As, Norway 1125-1140 Discussion 1140-1200 Coffee break 1200-1245 Bumble bees at home and at school Dr Manja Kwak, Department of Plant Biology, University of Groningen, Netherlands 1245-1400 Lunch break Chairman: Dr Don Griffiths, Bunting Biological Control Ltd 1400-1435 Bumble bees as pollinators of crops and wild flowers Dr Ingrid Williams and Juliet Osborne, Institute of Arable Crops Research, Rothamsted, Harpenden, UK 1435-1510 Bumble bees as pollinators of glasshouse crops Dr Don Griffiths, Bunting Biological Control Ltd, Colchester, UK; Evert Robberts, Bunting Brinkman Bees BV, Tilburg, Netherlands 1510-1525 Discussion 1525-1545 Tea break 1545-1630 Commercial rearing of bumble bees Melanie Hughes, National Bee Unit, Central Science Laboratory, Luddington, UK 1630-1730 Exhibits and bar This programme was put together by Dr Sarah Corbet and Dr Don Griffiths, both members of IBRA's council, who have joined me on the organizing group for this event. WILD BEE NESTS The environmental group Greenpeace includes a nest box for wild bees in its UK catalogue. The clay box with different-sized 'reeds' as nesting tubes sells for GBP 22.25, or about USD 35. EXCELLENT BOOK ON BEEKEEPING WITH APIS CERANA In last month's B.mail I reviewed a pioneering book on beekeeping with Apis cerana; 'Beekeeping for honey production' by Dr R W K Punchihewa of Sri Lanka. This book is available from IBRA for GBP 17.50 (approximately USD 27) plus postage and packing at normal rates. IBRA DAY 1995 This year IBRA Day will be a huge event, as we are combining with the famous beekeeping open day put on by Hartpury College and the Gloucestershire Beekeepers' Association. Set aside Saturday 27 May for a good day out. Involved in moving beehives? Then the two IBRA lectures will have important advice for you. 'Go for the flow: fact and fiction about where bees do get their food'. How much do you know about nectar and pollen sources in Britain, and how much do you have to guess? Norman Carreck of Rothamsted can tell you about the most thorough survey of bee forage in this country for over 30 years. 'A night in the life of a commercial beekeeper'. Practical tips (and some tall tales) from someone who shifts bees for a living. John Cossburn from Hampshire shares some of his vast experience of moving hives for pollination, honey crops and wintering. The day has lots more, including the well-known auction of bees and beekeeping equipment, demonstrations from skep making to microscopy, and trade stands from equipment manufacturers and book stockists. There's plenty for the non-beekeeper to make it a family event, with many craft stands, cooking demonstrations and farm shops. The day kicks off at 10.30 sharp, and runs until about 17.00. Hartpury College is on the A417 between Gloucester and Ledbury, and the venue will be well signposted. See you there Andrew Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa tolerance: selection(was Re: Does Honey Go Bad In The Hive?) Date: 3 Apr 1995 14:42:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3lp1go$g3n@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In-Reply-To: <3ljj4f$745@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Interesting. Selection is the key to breeding progress. Lone surviving colonies in varroa areas _should_ be looked at. What is the standard test for varroa? Grooming behavior? Morse and Miksa did this in early 90's. I use stock from Miksa, and am looking forward to this grooming test this fall after the flow, when varroa numbers increase. Is anyone else going to try this test? Dave, what test are you going to employ? (I'll post the bib. if anyone wants to read the article) Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Fri Apr 7 11:45:47 EDT 1995 Article: 1553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!mcrcr6!cmcl2!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis & trousers Message-ID: <3lsb46$2sa@clyde.open.ac.uk> From: Richard Yates Date: 4 Apr 1995 20:44:54 GMT Organization: The Open University NNTP-Posting-Host: pcmt22.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Unfortunately, when this blinking stuff gets on my woolies, it doesn't seem to come off again! I've tried soap & water, detergent,then petrol, MEK & even alcohol [ :-( ], all to no avail. Has anyone successfully removed propolis from clothing, preferably without destroying the article - ? Richard Yates. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ringetringetame@mind.net Fri Apr 7 11:45:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Strips Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:52:41 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net Summary: how long in hive? Keywords: only legal way to kill mites? X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Say you are a small grower and have fewer then fifty hives for polination.. Because you wanted to take honey last year, you followed the lable and removed the strips 45 days before pulling honey.. Now all your hives are dead.. Now you buy nukes, are you going to take the strips out, and lose these guys, why poop no. By the way we also used canola oil, (paper towels) and bee mix (anti biotics) . ? is does this Apistan contaminate honey? Will it hurt a person? Do we just forget about honey for a bit till another legal treatment comes along? BerryBob From stp@CNMAT.Berkeley.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:51 EDT 1995 Article: 1555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!usenet From: stp@CNMAT.Berkeley.edu (Stephen Travis Pope) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-ginner in the SF Bay Area Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:17:19 GMT Organization: Center for New Music and Audio Technologies, UC Berkeley Lines: 10 Sender: ]_ Message-ID: <3lsk1v$qqc@agate.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad2.hip.berkeley.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.1@nomad2.hip.berkeley.edu X-Authenticated: ]_ on Unix host cnmat.cnmat.berkeley.edu Hi, I live in Berkeley, CA and wonder if anyone knows where in the Bay area I can learn about beekeeping. IÕm looking for either a course or a beekeeper who could use volunteer help in exchange for training. Please respond to Patrice@CNMAT.Berkeley.edu (i.e., ignore the STP address). Many thanks, Patrice Baer From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:53 EDT 1995 Article: 1556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips Date: 6 Apr 1995 01:42:09 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3lvgth$qn3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: only legal way to kill mites? Chemically, yes. In article , Robert Inget wrote: >Say you are a small grower and have fewer then fifty hives for polination.. >Because you wanted to take honey last year, you followed the lable and removed >the strips 45 days before pulling honey.. Now all your hives are dead... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The label has you remove strips, then super. If you had Apistan in colonies with honey supers on, you were not following the label, and the honey shouldn't be used for human consumption. Read the label. It is pretty clear. Apistan works well. Timing of application is the easiest way to get the best control. Think. Since Apistan works on contact, when would be the best time to treat? When there is the least amount of brood-- late Fall or early Spring applications are the most efficatious. How do you know your hives were killed from varroa? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Apr 7 11:45:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Price of Apistan and more... Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950404190433104@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 50 This message was from ANDY NACHBAUR to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu ---------------------------------------- Subject: Price of Apistan and more... SOME California retail FOB prices on chemicals used by beekeepers. All prices are cash US $, and do go up and down depending on the supplier. These are the list prices from DADANT & Son's Fresno, CA. Apistan 10 to a pk 18.95 extended 1.90 100 to a pk 149.50 1.50 Menthol 12 to a pk 29.75 18 or more cartons of 12- 28.30 bulk 55# 750.00 Terramycin 6.4 oz depending on quantities 4.05- 3.75 Bee-Go 5 gal 205.00 Fumidil-B 9 1/2 grams case lots 54.00 In California a permit is required to buy and use Apistan and reports of use must be filed with local Agricultural Commissioner. There are other products being used out side of the legal ones. Some beekeepers have found a back door source of chemically impregnated strips by the mile. You cut them to size yourself. For commercial bee- keeping operations that have very small margin's of profit it is easy to see why it is necessary sometime's to chose between bread on the table and high priced formulations of minute amounts of chemicals and making one's own remedy outside the law. As bad as that may be with all the risks, I wonder if we would ever have any legal treatments if some beekeepers had not worked outside of the system. Beekeepers in California have spent tens of thousands of dollars and worked years within the system to get a product registered for AFB treatment that may be far superior then TM or anything else, and has other potential as it may cause the brood cycle to also be accelerated by one day when used in bee diets. It still is not registered for use for treating bees. This "silver" bullet has no big profit potential for the manufacture or formulator so may never be legal under our regulatory system that deals the short hand to the small and weak and rewards those who spend the most on PR.. ttul Andy- (C)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From ca1@Ra.MsState.Edu Fri Apr 7 11:45:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!Ra.MsState.Edu!ca1 From: "Carl H. Hovermale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vanishing hives Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 07:50:40 -0500 Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> DON''T FEEL TOO BAD ONE OF THE PROFESSIONAL BEEKEEPERS HERE IN SOUTH MISSISSIPPI LOST NOT ONLY THE BEE'S BUT THE HIVES AND PALLETS. 56 IN ONE NIGHT CARL On 3 Apr 1995, Joseph Curtin wrote: > I lost all three of my hives late last summer after a good harvest. Many > hobby beekeepers I'm in touch with experenced the same thing. No sign of > illness or mites that I could see any suggestion? > > > From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Apr 7 11:46:01 EDT 1995 Article: 1559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips Date: 6 Apr 1995 20:29:23 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3m1iv3$m4f@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3lvgth$qn3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Adam Finkelstein (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) wrote: : Read the label. It is pretty clear. Apistan works well. Timing of : application is the easiest way to get the best control. Think. Since Apistan : works on contact, when would be the best time to treat? : When there is the least amount of brood-- late Fall or early Spring : applications are the most efficatious. : How do you know your hives were killed from varroa? In the case of two of my hives, I never had a chance to treat for varroa. Our fall honeyflow lasts well into October but the mites had wiped out the colonies (one a prosperous, very productive colony of midnights, the other a not so productive but nevertheless prosperous colony of italians) by late September. Some keepers in this area (Philadelphia/Central Jersey) are forgoing the Fall flow in order to ensure treating in time. As for mites, mortality, and causality, I don't really know that mites did them in; I do know that mites were there in large numbers because they were visible on the dead bees. I'm not being facetious here; I don't think it is certain that there is not more here than is readily apparent. The mites may be vectors spreading something else. Related: I have a feral colony which we removed earlier (three weeks ago) from a house in central PA. We were unable to locate and save the queen, but saved 3 lbs of bees and some brood. I put all of this in a deep with plenty of honey and pollen (these bees deserve more than just the "nuke and sugar syrup treatment) and on a warm day two weeks ago confirmed they were building queen cells (2 small, 1 med, 1 large); the rest of the brood had been capped by this time. The interesting point is that in examining some of the damaged comb we'd removed, I found a sealed-up drone with a mite on it. There were very few drones in the comb - I only found that one, but it was infested. I'm hoping a queen pulls through and that these bees have some resistance in them. I'll be salvaging brood and bees from whatever removal calls I get this year, with the intent to establish new colonies from them, rather than just adding them to existing colonies. So far calls have been few, but it's still pretty cold, so people haven't begun noticing them yet. We'll also be trying to convince people to leave them alone, if at all possible. Dave From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Sun Apr 9 00:28:39 EDT 1995 Article: 1560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips Date: 6 Apr 1995 08:58:38 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 20 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3m0afv$mr5@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: Reply-To: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be Keywords: only legal way to kill mites? X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 For God's sake, open your eyes when your read the notice on the Apistan package. It states clearly that you should not use the strips before a honey flow is expected. Treat your hives only after the last harvest (in the autumn) during approx. 42 days (i.e. the period needed for two generations of bees to be born). So you're sure that all bees in the hive have been in contact with the medicin. I also would not use antibiotics like termacyne, fumidil-b, etc... After all, honey should be a pure product of nature !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hugo Thone (SE121) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp do bee do bee do .... From ajmuia@paul.spu.edu Sun Apr 9 00:28:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.spu.edu!paul.spu.edu!ajmuia From: AJ Muia Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Venom and Health Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:19:09 -0700 Organization: Seattle Pacific University Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: paul.spu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please excuse a question from a lay-person. Does anyone know where I might find more information about the medical benefits of bee venom, or about apitherapy? Do any of the beekeepers here lend their bees for medicinal purposes? I've heard that beekeepers experience health benefits from (accidentally) being stung during the course of their work. Has anyone found this to be true, or is it folklore? I'd like to know more. Feel free to e-mail me or post a response here. I'll continue reading this newsgroup. I find it fascinating. From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun Apr 9 00:28:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: No bees here! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:58:15 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <950402135832102@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <950402135832102@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) >Subject: No bees here! >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:31:00 GMT >From: Casey Burns >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:05:23 -0700 >Subject: No bees here! >Cherries and other fruit trees are in full bloom - as well as dandilions, >etc. Warm (60 - 70 F) weather - but I haven't seen a honey bee in over a >month (mine were all wiped out - apparently, all other hives in the area >were also - by Varroa). Seen fewer bumblebees this year - but lots of >Mason Carpenter bees. Anyone else in W. Washington making the same >observations? >Casey Burns > see my post after yours, there are NO wild swarms, cept what passing beekeepers leave behind. They will die out in 45 to 50 DAYs. Because of mites The bumblebees will come soon, I hope. Look in the grass. BerryBob From mrodgers@students.wisc.edu Sun Apr 9 00:28:42 EDT 1995 Article: 1563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: mrodgers@students.wisc.edu (Mike Rodgers) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping & honey production in Vietnam Date: 6 Apr 1995 01:17:05 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3lvfeh$1kte@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f181-084.net.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Dear netters: First, I'll apologize up front for breaking any netiquette rules followed by sci.agriculture.beekeeping because I havn't "lurked" here very much, but I am in a time crunch and I needed to find out some information about beekeeping, honey production, pollinating as an industry, as well as bee wax uses. Anyway . . to the point. This January, UN official Roy Morey, on a mission to Vietnam aimed at promoting economic growth in rural areas, suggested that a viable cottage industry for rural people would be beekeeping. Not only would beekeeping provide for a more diversified rural economy, but it would also serve to address Vietnam's rural-population problem. Currently, 80% of Vietnamese people live in rural areas, and 30% of those live under a poverty level defined as not being able to produce 15kg of rice per month. Many of these people also do not have a tremendous amount of capital to invest in large-scale agriculture ventures and have little land to work with. Hence beekeeping was seen as a potential low-cost market for development purposes. Furthermore the bees could be used for pollination purposes in assisting the re-diversification of Vietnamese plant-life. (Currently 70% of all Vietnamese land previously arable is unusable due to bomb-craters that the Vietnamese do not have the ability to resurface and desert-like areas where no plants whatsoever will grow due to the lingering effects of agent orange) So, I was wondering what all of your opinions are concerning the viability of starting beekeeping as a small industry in Vietnam? Is it truely an inexpensive venture? Also, offhand I was wondering if anyone knew if honey had a large market in Indochina or Asia? or for that matter are there any native Asian bees suitable for honey production, i.e. I am clueless about beekeeping. The reason why I am asking these questions is that I am currently involved in research at the University of Wisconsin's Center for Southeast Asian Studies on alternative cottage industries for rural peoples. Any information that you might have related to my questions would be greatly appreciated, and any research I finish on beekeeping as an industry in Vietnam, I would put on my personal Web site for others to use. Mike Rodgers mrodgers@students.wisc.edu From stp@CNMAT.Berkeley.edu Sun Apr 9 00:28:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet From: Stephen Travis Pope Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom and Health Date: 8 Apr 1995 05:54:10 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3m58e2$9cb@agate.berkeley.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nomad2.hip.berkeley.edu AJ Muia wrote: > > ...information about the medical benefits of bee venom > ...Has anyone > found this to be true, or is it folklore? I'd like to know more. Dear AJ, 15 years ago (when I lived in Salzburg, Austria), I had a serious accident that required several operations to remove most of the cartilage from my left knee. Over the next year, I received weekly shots to induce the growth of new cartilage. The orthopods gave me a bee venom salve to put my knee when it swelled up. The salve was *really* painful (obviously), and generated true "deep heat", but was also quite effective against the frequent swelling. I sent several tubes of the salve to a friend in the USA whose father had serious arthritis, and he always wanted more (until my prescription ran out). ..just a true story in support of alternative medicine as is common in Europe... stp ___Stephen Travis Pope, Editor--Computer Music Journal, MIT Press (and) ___Research Associate--Center for New Music and Audio Technologies, UCB ___email: stp@CNMAT.Berkeley.edu, telephone: (+1-510) 644-3881 ___http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/Computer-Music-Journal/CMJ.html From gerca@lysator.liu.se Sun Apr 9 00:28:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.rssi.ru!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!omega.ludd.luth.se!news.ifm.liu.se!gerca From: gerca@lysator.liu.se (Gert Carlsson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ADVICE: Breeding of queen bees Date: 8 Apr 1995 02:38:08 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3m4sug$p2p@newsy.ifm.liu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiny.lysator.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #24 (NOV) I am not a beekeeper myself but I put all articles in this group on a diskette and handed it over to a friend of mine. She took it to the local beekeepers society and they read all articles with great interest. She will probably soon be able to read news herself but I promised to pass on a question from the members of the society: They are greeatful for any comments on how to breed queen bees. Experiences are most welcome as a comment on this article or as E-mail to me, I will pass all the information along. Thank you in advance on behalf of the Ronneby Beekeepers Society in southern Sweden. Gert E B Carlsson Computer Science and Engineering Linkoping University and Institute of Technology, Sweden E-mail: Gert@Ctrl-C.LiU.SE I suppose that you all are interested in exchanging experiences, maybe someone has done an FAQ? From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun Apr 9 00:28:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vanishing hives Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:21:58 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> HYXD75A@prodigy.com (Joseph Curtin) writes: >From: HYXD75A@prodigy.com (Joseph Curtin) >Subject: Re: Vanishing hives >Date: 3 Apr 1995 03:20:05 GMT >I lost all three of my hives late last summer after a good harvest. Many >hobby beekeepers I'm in touch with experenced the same thing. No sign of >illness or mites that I could see any suggestion? I'll bet anything you have mites, there are two kinds. Have you used Apistan Strips? Bet not. BerryBob From maclaine@ix.netcom.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: maclaine@ix.netcom.com (Brian MacLaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Info please - Need weight of Honey Date: 9 Apr 1995 03:35:19 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3m7kln$9mf@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tf2-11.ix.netcom.com Company: East-West International, Export-Import Management Distribution: USA From: maclaine@ix.netcom.com Organization: East-West International Expires: 10 Apr 95 Ref: honyinfo.p01 I kindly request that someone provide me the average weight of honey by the US Gallon or by the Liter. Your help will be trully appreciated. TIA, Brian -- Brian R MacLaine Phone/FAX 909-769-0454 East-West International: Export-Import Management Company S-Mail: PO Box 56254, Riverside, CA 92517-1154 USA 149 E Third Street, Beaumont, CA 92223-2723 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa:Natural products for the control of varroa Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950405170203105@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 30 *bee-list:varroa* ---------------------------------------- From: "Gordon L. Scott" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:12:15 GMT Subject: Re: Natural products for the control of varroa Our local Association has been using french chalk (talc), icing sugar and lactic acid on a low-key investigative basis. The two powders are reputed (and appear to) interfere with the mites ability to grip it's host^H^H^H^H victim, resulting in a physical knock-down of adult mites. Dust all comb-sides 'til the bees are all dusty. Lactic acid is a soft/natural pesticide of sorts, I'm not sure of the mechanism but it seems reasonably effective (5% solution sprayed directly over the bees for a few seconds per comb-side) All of these require repeat treatments every four days for four treatments. All of them *can* get the bees pretty buzzy. I'm unaware of any adverse effects these treatments may have on the bees or brood. At present, I personally use drone-comb trapping & Bayvarol. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A dead one Date: 6 Apr 1995 22:19:39 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 27 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3m27fr$3m9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) says: >>Hive #1 wintered, Hive #2 died. Upon open #2, I did not see any dead brood, in fact there where no bees at all! The brood chamber had queen cells, none of which looked as though they were ever used. The upper box still had capped frames. (Not robbed out, yet) >>uh?? >>I followed the same same as above on my other hives and they wintered. No brood indicates queen failure. She may have been killed by hive manipulations last fall, old age, or whatever. If she stops laying during winter, the bees cannot replace her. They may even raise one, but there aren't any drones. It's not unusual. A certain percentage of winter loss is queen failure. It is important to do a post mortem on all dead hives in spring. Those which did not die of foulbrood can be reused with a package, a nuc, or a swarm. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 Any thoughts? From meaderyman@delphi.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Price of Apistan and more... Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 14:10:34 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <950404190433104@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com X-To: Andy Nachbaur If this "silver bullet" has such potential and little profit potential, why not name it. If you can't name it, why tantalize people with what it "may do." Is your purpose to disseminate information or just knock the government? Bob From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!fg1.plk.af.mil!mammoth.cs.unm.edu!ees1a0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!gw2.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: A dead one Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:46:38 GMT Lines: 22 The tale of two hives. I caught two swarms from the same parent hive last year. The swarms were within one week of each other. Both were hived on foundation and both grew well during the summer. Both had the upper brood boxes packed full for the winter. (New England) Crisco patties and Apistan strips were put into both hives, two strips each and directly into the brood area. Later removed as directed. (I left the crisco patties in the hive.) Last time I saw them both alive was during Thanksgiving weekend. Hive #1 wintered, Hive #2 died. Upon open #2, I did not see any dead brood, in fact there where no bees at all! The brood chamber had queen cells, none of which looked as though they were ever used. The upper box still had capped frames. (Not robbed out, yet) uh?? I followed the same same as above on my other hives and they wintered. Any thoughts? From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Tue Apr 11 22:02:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A dead one Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 08:52:13 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <173797CCDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) writes: >The tale of two hives. >... >Both were hived on foundation and both grew well during the summer. >Hive #1 wintered, Hive #2 died. >Upon open #2, I did not see any dead brood, in fact there where >no bees at all! The brood chamber had queen cells, none of which looked >as though they were ever used. The upper box still had capped frames. >(Not robbed out, yet) >... >Any thoughts? > Seems like something happened to the queen in hive #2 late in the fall. A possible scenario: The bees attempted to raise a new queen (queen cells present) but were not successful. Hence the hive died off. Absence of bees is curious though. Their absence would be indicative of mite infestation. Perhaps the infestation was more than the medications could handle. Of course this is merely speculation. Aaron Morris From ringetringetame@mind.net Tue Apr 11 22:02:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Vanishing hives Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 05:37:09 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3lnph5$ge4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net Summary: Here in Oregon we have lost over half hives. Mites I'am sure! Keywords: mites X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article "Carl H. Hovermale" writes: >From: "Carl H. Hovermale" >Subject: Re: Vanishing hives >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 07:50:40 -0500 >DON''T FEEL TOO BAD ONE OF THE PROFESSIONAL BEEKEEPERS HERE IN SOUTH >MISSISSIPPI LOST NOT ONLY THE BEE'S BUT THE HIVES AND PALLETS. 56 IN ONE >NIGHT >CARL >On 3 Apr 1995, Joseph Curtin wrote: >> I lost all three of my hives late last summer after a good harvest. Many >> hobby beekeepers I'm in touch with experenced the same thing. No sign of >> illness or mites that I could see any suggestion? >> >> >> From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 11 22:02:47 EDT 1995 Article: 1574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post Date: 10 Apr 1995 14:48:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3mbgf0$3ha@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: Apistan In article , Robert Inget wrote: >Why don't my posts about mites stay on for more then a few hours? >I don't really think you realize the gravitas of the problem. The world needs >bees to pollinate, or is that to simple. Hey. The length of time your post remains on the spool is only locally controlled. I can re-read your post for up to 27 days here at vt.edu. If your post seems to be "disappearing" it might just be that your newsreader has "read" the post and it isn't showing it anymore. Try to "unread" this group's post and see if your post is there. Talk to your sysadmins people about your newsreading software. I saw your post. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 11 22:02:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon Subject: Re: post References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 22 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:56:49 +0000 Message-ID: <797533009snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article ringetringetame@mind.net "Robert Inget" writes: > Why don't my posts about mites stay on for more then a few hours? > I don't really think you realize the gravitas of the problem. The world needs > bees to pollinate, or is that to simple. > BerryBob Hi, I think it most likely that you have a local problem. The time a post stays is controlled by either your own machine or by your service provider. You should probably look for a program with a name like "expire" on your own computer, and/or you should contact your service provider and ask them. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:50 EDT 1995 Article: 1576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!wang!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!tron!usenet From: grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) Subject: Extender Patties Message-ID: <1995Apr10.004913.2672@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Organization: wec X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 00:49:13 GMT Lines: 8 I have read a lot about extender patties recently and decided to try using them. I mixed the ingrediants as recommended and placed the patties on a couple of hives. That was about 5-6 weeks ago and the patties show no sign of being consumed. I live in Maryland and temperatures have only recently warmed up. Any ideas as to whats going on? Gary |He who rows the boat seldom has time to rock it.| From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:51 EDT 1995 Article: 1577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extender Patties Date: 9 Apr 1995 23:51:43 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 15 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3maa0f$i6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <1995Apr10.004913.2672@tron.bwi.wec.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) asks: >> I have read a lot about extender patties recently and decided to try using them. I mixed the ingrediants as recommended and placed the patties on a couple of hives. That was about 5-6 weeks ago and the patties show no sign of being consumed. I live in Maryland and temperatures have only recently warmed up. Any ideas as to whats going on? Additional info is needed. Are the patties directly above the cluster of bees? Are the hives up to strength or are they very weak? Weak hives sometimes won't even take syrup. I don't know the cause here; I'm just tossing out some possibilities. Dave Green Pollinator@aol.com PO Box 1`215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 11 22:02:53 EDT 1995 Article: 1578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!wang!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: posts Date: 10 Apr 1995 03:21:05 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3ma871$4lp@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Keywords: mites In article , Robert Inget wrote: >How long does a post stay on this forum? I am not from 60 min. Whay do my >post desolve inless then an hour when I bring up Off lable use of Apistan? >I really need to know if we can sell honey or just keep bees. E. Mail me if I >should not ask do not tell. >BerryBob >ringet Will you please explain what you are asking :) It is a little unclear. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:54 EDT 1995 Article: 1579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!tron!usenet From: grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) Subject: 9 frame vs. 10 frame Message-ID: <1995Apr10.182639.24958@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Organization: wec X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:26:39 GMT Lines: 10 I have noticed in some equipment that I have inherited from other beekeepers that they used 9 frame spacers in the hive bodies. In these hives it seems to have worked well with very little cross comb. I am thinking about setting up my new hive bodies this way. I have some 10 frame hive bodies that I have to remove two or more frames at a time due to either cross comb building or the bees will build out on one frame so that it extends into the next frames space where they won't build at all.Any comments on the possible problems would be appreciated. Gary Welzenbach From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Tue Apr 11 22:02:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame vs. 10 frame Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:59:44 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3mbv70$dcp@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Apr10.182639.24958@tron.bwi.wec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf RE: 9 frame vs. 10 Nice to use 9 frames. If you are starting out with foundation, go with 10 then once they are drawn, take one out and use 9. Some use 8 for honey supers. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Info please - Need weight of Honey Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:05:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 16 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3m9emi$le6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3m7kln$9mf@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com maclaine@ix.netcom.com (Brian MacLaine) asks: >>I kindly request that someone provide me the average weight of honey by the US Gallon or by the Liter. Honey varies somewhat according to floral source (sugar ratios), and moisture content, but averages about 1 1/2 times heavier than water, so it would weigh 12 pounds to the US gallon. Maple syrup averages 11 lb. A lady once called and accused me of cheating, because a 12 ounce jar of my honey only made 1/2 cup for her recipe. I explained to her the difference between actual weight and fluid ounces, and the fact that honey is heavier than most other fluids used in cooking, so we came to an understanding. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From clayglen@netcom.com Tue Apr 11 22:03:00 EDT 1995 Article: 1582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!clayglen From: clayglen@netcom.com (Clay Glenn) Subject: Where to Buy Honey? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 22:34:54 GMT Lines: 15 Sender: clayglen@netcom19.netcom.com I'm a brewer interested in fermenting some *good* honey. I'm not looking for the filtered, pasteurized, homogenized honey in the small bottles at the supermarket. I'm looking for big buckets, fresh from the harvest, with its full aroma intact. Where do I start looking locally for bee keepers? Do I just look in the Yellow Pages under bees? or honey? Or should I look for some kind of farmer's market or co-op? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ O >>> Clay Glenn clayglen@netcom.com >>> /|\ /////////////////////////////////////////// /'\ From danb@blkbox.com Tue Apr 11 22:03:02 EDT 1995 Article: 1583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.sesqui.net!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: update on laying worker hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 19:22:44 -500 (CDT) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This neophyte in beekeeping realized over the weekend why one should make the effort to learn how to raise one's own queens for requeening or starting a new hive. Ten days ago I had the most depressing looking brood chamber--spotty patches of drone brood and what looked like nothing but drones running around. I switched out a few frames and put in 1 or 2 frames with large capped queen cells. After a week and a half, with assurances from Dave and Adam (bless you!) that all would soon be well, I took a look inside... 3 full frames fully capped brood and barely a drone cell in sight! How come my queens that I've ordered from a place (Weaver's) a couple hours away never got off that fast and that good? I mean they would lay well, but not so solid. If this is typical of own-raised queens, I sure encourage any newbie beekeeper to give it a whirl! Getting ready to remove my first full shallow super of the season, -Cynthia, Houston From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Tue Apr 11 22:03:06 EDT 1995 Article: 1584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: post Date: 11 Apr 1995 00:53:36 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3mcjug$1j5@gamera.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Robert Inget (ringetringetame@mind.net) wrote: : Why don't my posts about mites stay on for more then a few hours? : I don't really think you realize the gravitas of the problem. The world needs : bees to pollinate, or is that to simple. : BerryBob Bob, I think you misunderstand the concept of a bulletin board! As soon as a post is read, it is deleted from your list. It may still be on the system, for others who haven't read it, for a couple of weeks to a month. To keep it on your own system you have to mark it 'unread' or save it. Just think what would happen if all messages stayed up for a month. Your sytem provider couldn't provide enough memory or you couldn't afford the service if he tried! Jerry Worrell From danb@blkbox.com Tue Apr 11 22:03:07 EDT 1995 Article: 1585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.sesqui.net!blkbox.COM!usenet From: Dan Buchsbaum Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: update on laying worker hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 20:37:01 -500 (CDT) Organization: The Black Box, Houston, Tx (713) 480-2686 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blkbox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Yikes! I didn't mean to imply that Weaver has inadequate queens! (thanks Adam :-) ) Just for the record I order exclusively from them because their bees are great and the customer service outstanding. Oh yeah, and also because it's a lovely 2 hr. drive to their place in Navasota... :) - Cynthia From ringetringetame@mind.net Tue Apr 11 22:03:09 EDT 1995 Article: 1586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Strips Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:04:42 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3lvgth$qn3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net Keywords: only legal way to kill mites? Chemically, yes. X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3lvgth$qn3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) writes: >From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: Apistan Strips >Date: 6 Apr 1995 01:42:09 GMT >Keywords: only legal way to kill mites? Chemically, yes. >In article , >Robert Inget wrote: >>Say you are a small grower and have fewer then fifty hives for polination.. >>Because you wanted to take honey last year, you followed the lable and removed >>the strips 45 days before pulling honey.. Now all your hives are dead... >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The label has you remove strips, then super. If you had Apistan in >colonies with honey supers on, you were not following the label, and >the honey shouldn't be used for human consumption. >Read the label. It is pretty clear. Apistan works well. Timing of >application is the easiest way to get the best control. Think. Since Apistan >works on contact, when would be the best time to treat? >When there is the least amount of brood-- late Fall or early Spring >applications are the most efficatious. > How do you know your hives were killed from varroa? >Adam >-- >______________________________________ >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 11 22:03:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frame vs. 10 frame Date: 10 Apr 1995 23:37:17 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 19 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3mcthd$ir1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <1995Apr10.182639.24958@tron.bwi.wec.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com grw@oce210.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) says: >> I have noticed in some equipment that I have inherited from other beekeepers that they used 9 frame spacers in the hive bodies. In these hives it seems to have worked well with very little cross comb. I am thinking about setting up my new hive bodies this way. I have some 10 frame hive bodies that I have to remove two or more frames at a time due to either cross comb building or the bees will build out on one frame so that it extends into the next frames space where they won't build at all. Any comments on the possible problems would be appreciated. If you move bees often (pollination or migration to nectar flows) 9 frames in the brood chamber is risky. Truck vibration can get loose frames swinging and beat the bees to death. Queens can be lost this way, as well as large quantities of workers. I use 10 frame in the brood chamber, and 8 or 9 in supers. If I had 9 frames, I'd make darn sure they are well glued by the bees before transport. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Tue Apr 11 22:03:12 EDT 1995 Article: 1588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where to Buy Honey? Date: 10 Apr 1995 23:37:29 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 11 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3mcthp$irv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com clayglen@netcom.com (Clay Glenn): >>Where do I start looking locally for bee keepers? Do I just look in the Yellow Pages under bees? or honey? Or should I look for some kind of farmer's market or co-op? A good place to start would be to ask you local extension agent if there is a local bee club or association. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From jolyon@pavilion.co.uk Tue Apr 11 22:03:13 EDT 1995 Article: 1589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.pavilion.co.uk!usenet From: jolyon@pavilion.co.uk (jolyon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two brood chambers Date: 11 Apr 1995 18:35:14 GMT Organization: None Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3mei52$3mp@fitzherbert.pavilion.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: line07.kemp-du.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Can anyone help? I've just inherited three hives from my stepfather who died a few weeks back, and was a fairly lax beekeeper (he was pretty old). I've had to take responsibility, at least to make sure they don't swarm and annoy the neighbours. I read a bit, and then started to go through the hives this afternoon. I was quite surprised to see that in one hive there were two brood chambers, and two honey supers. That is, the queen excluder was between levels two and three, rather than levels one and two as I would have expected. As a result, brood and honey were all mixed up in the bottom two layers, presumably because there was more space than the queen had got time to lay in. Is there any good reason for this, or had my stepfather just been forgetful about where he had put the queen excluder? If there isn't any good reason, could I move the excluder down one level (making sure the queen is at the bottom), wait for the grubs to hatch out of the (now queenless) super, and wait for it to fill up with honey? From ringetringetame@mind.net Tue Apr 11 22:03:14 EDT 1995 Article: 1590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip2.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: post Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:13:19 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2.mind.net Summary: Whats with the censorship? Keywords: Apistan X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Why don't my posts about mites stay on for more then a few hours? I don't really think you realize the gravitas of the problem. The world needs bees to pollinate, or is that to simple. BerryBob From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Tue Apr 11 22:03:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping & honey production in Vietnam Date: 11 Apr 1995 05:00:19 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3md2d3$52u@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3lvfeh$1kte@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Mike Rodgers (mrodgers@students.wisc.edu) wrote: : Dear netters: : So, I was wondering what all of your opinions are concerning the : viability of starting beekeeping as a small industry in Vietnam? Is it : truely an inexpensive venture? It can be; you'll be interestred in knowing that the Vietnamese have been using "primitive" moveable frame hives for a long time. See below. : Also, offhand I was wondering if anyone knew if honey had a large market : in Indochina or Asia? or for that matter are there any native Asian bees : suitable for honey production, i.e. I am clueless about beekeeping. In addition to the journal mentioned in the follow-up post, there is some good information on these questions in the latest edition of "The Hive and the Honey Bee." Included are figures on honey exports (e.g., China exports huge amounts of honey; Africa exports huge amounts of wax) and some discussion of the use of Asian (native) vs European honey bees in Asia. See if you can get a copy of this book for review. If you are unable to, e-mail me and I will send you the basics (when I have a few moments). Dave From roe@crosfield.co.uk Tue Apr 11 22:03:16 EDT 1995 Article: 1592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Beekeeping & honey production in Vietnam Message-ID: <1995Apr10.100919.11671@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3lvfeh$1kte@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 10:09:19 GMT Lines: 31 I suspect Bees for Development could help you. The following piece, originally posted by Max Westby (M.Westby@SHEFFIELD.AC.UK) gives most of the details. I should contact Dr Bradbear directly. I wonder how many of you people know about the quarterly journal called Beekeeping and Development? I have been subscribing to this for a couple of years and find it very interesting, giving a totally different perspective on beekeeping as a low tech sustainable activity for developing countries. The Journal is produced by Bees for Development which is a non-profit making company. It is sponsored in part by the UN FAO. It depends on subsciptions and donations for its survival and the production costs are also supported by 'World Vision UK'. The Editor is Dr Nicola Bradbear. Address: Bees For Development, Troy, Monmouth, NP5 4AB United Kingdom. Her e-mail address is 100410.2631@compuserve.com. Fax +44 1600 716167. Subscription rates are GBP16.00 or USD35.00. All income is used to provide information for beekeepers in developing countries. They have a very interesting booklist and articles from recent issues deal with such things as low cost hive design, queen rearing in top bar hives, the problems of misuse of pesticides in developing countries and their impact on beekeeping etc. I'm sure many of you will be as interested in this very worthwhile project as I am. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 13 23:22:42 EDT 1995 Article: 1593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk ("C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!matheson.demon.co.uk!andrew Subject: Re: Info please - Need weight of Honey References: <3m7kln$9mf@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Organization: None Reply-To: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 16 X-Posting-Host: matheson.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <170500624wnr@matheson.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk > > Ref: honyinfo.p01 > > I kindly request that someone provide me the average weight of > honey by the US Gallon or by the Liter. > At 20 degrees C honey weighs 1.40-1.44 kg/litre, depending on water content. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Andrew Matheson E.mail andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 13 23:22:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk ("C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL") Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!matheson.demon.co.uk!andrew Subject: Re: Beekeeping & honey production in Vietnam References: <3lvfeh$1kte@news.doit.wisc.edu> Organization: None Reply-To: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 38 X-Posting-Host: matheson.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <192957849wnr@matheson.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk > So, I was wondering what all of your opinions are concerning the > viability of starting beekeeping as a small industry in Vietnam? Is it > truely an inexpensive venture? > > Also, offhand I was wondering if anyone knew if honey had a large market > in Indochina or Asia? or for that matter are there any native Asian bees > suitable for honey production, i.e. I am clueless about beekeeping. Vietnam already has a beekeeping industry based on the indigenous honey bee Apis cerana, as well as beekeeping with the introduced Apis mellifera. There is also a tradition of harvesting honey from Apis dorsata, using a novel management system. There is also some excellent research going on at the National Bee Research Centre. An opportunity to see some of this will come at the third Asian Apiculture Association conference, to be held in Vietnam from 6 to 10 October 1996. A couple of interesting articles are available from the library of the International Bee Research Association (IBRA) at ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Crane, E et al. (1993) Traditional management system for Apis dorsata in submerged forsts in southern Vietnam and central Kalimantan. Bee World 74(1): 27-40. Crane, E et al. (1993) Traditional management of Apis cerana using movable-comb hives in Vietnam. Bee World 74(2): 75-85. An article also in Bee World (Crane, E (1992) Asian honey bees. Bee World 73(1): 3-4) quotes a Chinese manuscript of the third century AD which describes a beekeeping practice still in use today in part of Vietnam. > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Andrew Matheson E.mail andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Thu Apr 13 23:22:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Re: Extender Patties Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <1995Apr10.004913.2672@tron.bwi.wec.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:59:06 GMT Lines: 16 In article <1995Apr10.004913.2672@tron.bwi.wec.com> grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com writes: > I have read a lot about extender patties recently and decided to try >using them. I mixed the ingrediants as recommended and placed the patties >on a couple of hives. That was about 5-6 weeks ago and the patties show >no sign of being consumed. I live in Maryland and temperatures have only >recently warmed up. Any ideas as to whats going on? > Gary > I used extender patties earlier thir year...mid february and early march and found that the bees consumed them. I think there is too much pollen out there so the bees aren't interested in the substitute. regards, Larry Kellogg From rshough@tasc.com Thu Apr 13 23:22:50 EDT 1995 Article: 1596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom and Health Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:08:28 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , AJ Muia wrote: >Does anyone know where I >might find more information about the medical benefits of bee venom, or >about apitherapy? Try contacting: The American Apitherapy Society, Inc. P.O. Box 124, Woodsville, NH 03785 603-747-2507 (Voice & Fax) **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu Apr 13 23:22:54 EDT 1995 Article: 1597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Info please - Need weight of Honey Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3m7kln$9mf@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:15:06 GMT Lines: 27 Depending on the moisture content, I seem to recall honey being a little over 14 lbs per Imperial gallon (4.55 liters). A US gallon is 3.78 litres. Brian MacLaine (maclaine@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : Distribution: USA : From: maclaine@ix.netcom.com : Organization: East-West International : Expires: 10 Apr 95 : Ref: honyinfo.p01 : I kindly request that someone provide me the average weight of : honey by the US Gallon or by the Liter. : Your help will be trully appreciated. : TIA, Brian : -- : Brian R MacLaine Phone/FAX 909-769-0454 : East-West International: Export-Import Management Company : S-Mail: PO Box 56254, Riverside, CA 92517-1154 USA : 149 E Third Street, Beaumont, CA 92223-2723 -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Virtual Art Gallery: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Thu Apr 13 23:22:56 EDT 1995 Article: 1598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:26:58 -0400 From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: usa Subject: Re: Where to Buy Honey? Message-ID: References: Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 18 In article , clayglen@netcom.com (Clay Glenn) wrote: > Where do I start looking locally for bee keepers? Do I just look in the > Yellow Pages under bees? or honey? Or should I look for some kind of > farmer's market or co-op? In a posting such as this, some indication of where you're located is a big help. Generically, I recall that when we lived in Florida and Alabama (been a few years now) those states, and I expect several others, had (have?) agricultural newsletters. The Florida one particularly had lots of ads for honey in 5-gal containers. Another source of information might be your county agricultural extension agent. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From hlf@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU Fri Apr 14 13:28:36 EDT 1995 Article: 1599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU!hlf From: hlf@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (H L. Falls) Subject: Re: Where to Buy Honey? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: holmes.acc.virginia.edu Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:07:29 GMT Lines: 15 In article , Clay Glenn wrote: >I'm a brewer interested in fermenting some *good* honey. I'm not looking >for the filtered, pasteurized, homogenized honey in the small bottles at >the supermarket. I'm looking for big buckets, fresh from the harvest, >with its full aroma intact. > >Where do I start looking locally for bee keepers? Do I just look in the >Yellow Pages under bees? or honey? Or should I look for some kind of >farmer's market or co-op? Around here (Charlottesville, Virginia) several health food type stores carry bulk honey (clover and "wildflower") produced by local beekeepers... --Landon From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Apr 14 13:28:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Response to Health and the Honeybee Question Date: 14 Apr 1995 12:21:34 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3mlpce$p62@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3mhkkv$a62@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Victor C. Rimkus (vcrimku@sandia.gov) wrote: : > Has anyone read Health and the Honeybee? I'm interested to know whether : > it talks about the history of apitherapy--how long has it been around? : > How did it get started? If the book discusses these topics, I'd like to : > get myself a copy. : : I have read this book and found it inspiring but it is pretty much a : history of the author. I was hoping it would have provided all of : the information needed for the beginning apitherapist but it does not. : This book is worth the money. I found it to be much better than : BEE VENOM: Exploring the Healing Power by Michael Simics. : Victor For a more practical view of bee venom therapy, Try "How healthy are you willing to Bee?" by Pat Wagner, available from both Walter T.Kelley and Brushy Mt. Bee Farm ($27 + postage). Covers where to sting yourself etc. for MS, arthritis, muscle aches,etc. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 7 16:51:18 EDT 1995 Article: 1703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Mon, 01 May 95 11:03:41 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> hunchak@upanet.uleth.ca (Cindy Hunchak) writes: > >Does anyone know a good remedy for stopping the pain after a beesting.... Time. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 7 16:51:19 EDT 1995 Article: 1704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Varroa Treatment? Date: 30 Apr 1995 01:59:46 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3nuqui$ngd@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article , Robert Inget wrote: >Varroa are little biddy spyders. The orchard and hog industrys have use a >product called Tactic . It is not approved for honey bees, however this >product may be different, or not effective. Apistan works but one has to >remove from hives during flow. However, if you do not take honey... >BerryBob I tried to mail BerryBob, but his mail bounced so: Ack! Tactic is ILLEAGLE to use for bees. Against the law to use. Varroa is a mite, not a spider ("spyder"). Any questions about this? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 7 16:51:20 EDT 1995 Article: 1705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive body coloring? Date: 28 Apr 1995 18:00:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3nraf2$aom@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3npvsl$1vd@netnews.upenn.edu> <950428092655.5AE71E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf If you can find it use acrylic latex. I like mixed bodies. Blue, white, yellow ...kinda like a light house. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun May 7 16:51:21 EDT 1995 Article: 1706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip5.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Other Varroa Treatment? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:51:20 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip5.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article Dave Pehling writes: >From: Dave Pehling >Subject: Other Varroa Treatment? >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:00:07 GMT >I saw in the latest "Bee Culture" that a company is selling a material >called "Mite Solution" (Apicom I.B., Inc.) for treatment of Varroa. Has >anyone used this and, if so, how does it compare with Apistan as to >effectiveness? >Cheers, >Dave Pehling > ============================================ > | W.S.U./SNOHOMISH CO. COOPERATIVE EXTENSION | > | 600 128TH ST. S.E. | > | EVERETT, WA. 98208 U.S.A. | > | PHONE - (206)338-2400 | > | FAX - (206)338-3994 | > | INTERNET PEHLING@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu | > ============================================ Varroa are little biddy spyders. The orchard and hog industrys have use a product called Tactic . It is not approved for honey bees, however this product may be different, or not effective. Apistan works but one has to remove from hives during flow. However, if you do not take honey... BerryBob From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 7 16:51:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Beeswax creme recipe Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 01:55:00 GMT Message-ID: <950429222113210@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 73 ---------------------------------------- JM<>I have a lot of beeswax and am tired of making candles and molded <>figures. Does anyone have recipes for hand creme, face creme or other <>beeswax or honey products which we could make to gain a few extra $$ at <>the farm stand? Thanks. hI Jim, here is one reference I found and maybe other's will add to it. ttul Andy- Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 9, Number 1, January 1991 MAKING BEESWAX-BASED CREAMS During my travels in other countries, I have seen a profusion of bee products that are being marketed to the public. In Europe in particular, I was impressed by the large variety of cosmetics and creams that have beeswax as a base. The September issue of "Buzzwords," the newsletter of the New Zealand National Beekeepers Association, published an article on making beeswax-based creams. These products are surprisingly simple to produce and require only a few basic ingredients. As the newsletter editor suggests, perhaps as the beekeeper ponders the fate of those beautiful cakes of lemon- yellow gold beeswax, some thought might be given to making these creams. I also think that there is more room for manufacturing and marketing them to the health conscious, up-scale U.S. consumer in the 1990s. Beeswax is a unique product with many interesting physical and biological properties. It does not become rancid, is not irritating or sensitizing to the skin, and it acts as a stiffening or firming agent (base). The information provided by the New Zealand newsletter is for producing basic creams of the water-in-oil emulsion type. An emulsion is the result of fine particles of oil being permanently suspended in water through use of an emulsifier. The most typical emulsifying agent used around the house is soap. The combination of sodium tetraborate (borax) and cerotic acids (provided by beeswax) forms the soap called sodium cerotate, the basis for the following recipe for cold cream: Cetyl esters wax (synthetic spermaceti) 125 grams Very light or bleached beeswax 120 grams Mineral oil 560 grams Sodium borate (borax) 5 grams Distilled water 190 milliliters To make a solution of 1000 grams Break the cetyl esters wax and beeswax into small pieces and melt them in a steam bath. Add the mineral oil and continue heating until the temperature of the mixture reaches 70 degrees C (158 degrees F). Dissolve the sodium borate in the distilled water, warmed to 70 degrees C, and gradually add the warm solution to the melted mixture, stirring rapidly and continuously until it congeals. This cream is useful as an emollient or as a cleansing cream. The cream should be stored in air-tight containers. A moisturizing cream is made in the following manner: Yellow beeswax (stiffening agent) 140 grams Mineral oil (emollient) 450 grams Distilled water (vehicle) 330 milliliters Borax 2 tsp. Again, break the beeswax into small pieces and melt in a steam bath until the mixture reaches 70 degrees C. Dissolve the borax in the distilled water warmed to 70 degrees C, and gradually add the warm solution to the melted mixture, stirring rapidly and continuously until congealed. Fill jars after temperature declines to at least 42 degrees C. Although the article doesn't state it, probably most care in making the creams is required in the gradual adding of ingredients. If too much is added at once, the emulsifing process may not occur. The rapid and continuous stirring should also not be neglected. TS From ajmuia@paul.spu.edu Sun May 7 16:51:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.spu.edu!paul.spu.edu!ajmuia From: AJ Muia Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kitchen Bees Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:17:17 -0700 Organization: Seattle Pacific University Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: paul.spu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I spoke with Pat Wagner last month and she told me that she keeps a hive in her kitchen. How is this possible? Has anyone else tried indoor beekeeping? I hope I'm not misquoting her, but I'm pretty certain she did say in the kitchen. From srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sun May 7 16:51:27 EDT 1995 Article: 1709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Winter losses Date: 1 May 1995 15:34:12 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcshc144.shc.okstate.edu I lost a hive last fall to wax months, and my second hive this spring for reasons unknown. On a warm February day I went out for a quick look see, and all was well. Two weeks later the entire hive was gone. There was honey in the hive, and no signs of starvation or an excessive number of dead bees. Its like the entire hive left. Is this normal swarm behavior? I thought in swarming, some wwould stay behind. This is very disappointing. This hive won me first prize in our county fair last year. I though I knew what I was doing, but obviously not. I'm going to try one more time. Steve Rogers From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Sun May 7 16:51:28 EDT 1995 Article: 1710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!ncar!mammoth.cs.unm.edu!lynx.unm.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive body coloring? Date: 1 May 1995 16:24:29 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3o31vt$a83@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <3npvsl$1vd@netnews.upenn.edu> <950428092655.5AE71E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com In article <950428092655.5AE71E@news.nbnet.nb.ca>, bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca (Beth Nixon) writes: > them blue, green, and yellow - colors the bees are suppose to be able to see > (They may see gray also, but I'm not sure.) A lot of beekeepers have told me > that this does make a difference to drifting especially when compared with > hives painted white, which I am told the bees cannot see! What colors do bees have trouble seeing? I guessed that bees have trouble seeing black: I have black hair and ever since I was a child I remember being hit in the head by flying honeybees, wasps, and other insects. I concluded that they would have avoided me if they saw me, but they didn't see my head because of the black hair. -- Harold McCabe ========================================================================== Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford Automotive Components hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Dearborn, MI USA I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 7 16:51:28 EDT 1995 Article: 1711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varoa removing without use of pesticides Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950502170242218@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 177 ---------------------------------------- IJ<>From: Ivo Jakop <>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 12:38:28 +0200 <>Subject: varoa removing without use of pesticides IJ<>US Magazin Science published in 1989 a report prepared by a french <>scientist group working in Labs for neurobiology in Bures-sur-Yvette. As <>explained in the report they use Ethylpalmitat and Methyllinolenat as <>active substances to allure varoa into a trap and subsequently eliminate <>them from the hive. <>The cheap and undengerous (for bees and human) substance, its <>uncomplicated application looked very attractive and promissing. <>Since then I never heared any further news on development of this <>approach to get ride of varoa.Does somebody of the BEELIST community has <>perhaps more up-to-dayt or fresh info? IJ<>Ivo Jakop, Celje, Rep.of Slovenia Hello Ivo, I just received a video of a talk given by Dr. H. Shiminouki a few week's ago and he talks about the USDA doing this kind of research. He did not mention these chemical's by name, but I assume they will be looking at them. His vision was some kind of trap, like a "varroa motel", they would check in and never check out. I am a beekeeper, in Central California, which is on the Left Coast of the US. I have lost an increasing number of hives over the last 25 years even before the Varroa was first found. I am still having losses, last year was real bad with several yards of over 200 hives dieing out all at once, at different time's of the year. The only difference I have seen in this loss is that today it is greater, and if the yard is infected with Varroa the last bee's to die will have Varroa. I have suspected the real killer is a virus years before any mites were found in the US. Nobody in the US was interested and what little testing for virus that was done was actually sent abroad, so little practical experience working with bee's and virus was done. Shiminouki also outline in his talk the work they have at long last started with bee virus. They are years behind and I don't expect anything soon, but there is alway's hope and maybe with the different talent's of the virologist at work something will develop. There approach, as I see it, to date on the mass loss of bee's which may not be general in the US, but is reported from many different areas depending on the year, including the feral populations, is to give the post morton symptom's a new name "PMS", now BPMS, stands for Post Mite Syndrome. I my opinion this is pure BS (stands for Bull Shit) and not BS (bee science), but I am only a beekeeper who has watched his own bee's for 40+ years. The trouble with the GI science is that they are trying to identify a pathogen after the subject is dead and this leads to more confusion then useful solutions. The symptom's reported by the keeper's of bee's today are NO different then they symptom's reported by beekeepers 80 year's ago with the addition of mites and a new name for hives that are dead. We get only new names every ten years or so and still watch the bee's die, alone in the field with only the beekeeper as witness. But that is no wonder since the so called Bee Lab's are not located in any of the major beekeeping areas and no one can expect a well paid bee scientist to live in some God forsaken farm area just to document the last day's of a bee hive. They would have to travel 50 miles to take a coffee break or find a flush toilet and might see the sun rise and set on the job. This is no longer the American way, we have progressed to the new bureaucratic way's. Forty hour's a week with full benefits and plenty of time to think about it on the job, PMS is the written proof. I am not a scientist only a tired old beekeeper, but I wrote a paper in 1989 that was presented to the American Beekeepers Association that is no better or worse then the so called information on BPMS. I ran my text through a computer program that indicated it was written by someone with a 12th grade education, I won't embarrass anyone with what the same program reported the USDA PMS paper to be, I thought my own should have rated higher to. The beekeeper's and taxpayer's of the United States should not have to pay for these kind of report's or the research to do them. Any high school biology teacher or interested student could do as well. In my opinion they are only hype and PR and are self serving to the agency involved. I want to know what is going on and I don't want to find it out from some dusty chemical sale's person who's company had inside information so his company to could use that information to make some big buck's because it's better then a few beekeeper's misusing the same information to save their bee's. If this is the way it is, or is going to be then I will re-examine my position on supporting any beekeeping research by the government. If the benefits of USDA research on Varroa mite to date is going to the manufactures of the products to control them let the manufacture pay for the research at his own lab. It is evident that what research they are doing they have NOT shared with the public or USDA, or we would be able to produce our own strips or formulation's out of whatever material's at a fraction of the cost beekeeper's now pay. A few pennies of active material incorporated in a low cost carrier should not cost more the a few pennies. It's no wonder beekeeper's around the world are using other methods not approved by governments, when governments, science and regulatory agency's are one in the same and work hand in hand with the chemical companies. What kind of science can one produce if the scientist wares two hats, and one of those hat's is that of a politician who bends in the wind's, not the wind's of change but the wind's of strength..the strong wind's seldom come from the beekeeper's. The proof is that there are other products, materials, and chemicals, tested by many that we could be using, yet they can not be used because of bureaucratic red tape. It is the easy way out to give the same symptom's of dead bee hives a new name each time it show's up in a different area or different year. This is not science but the GI name game and has become part of the problem and not part of the solution. Beekeeper's are losing their bee's they need to know from what and what to do to prevent that loss, and are not interested in going around and telling the world that our losses fit the symptoms of bPMS according to the best scientific minds in the US government. I do support beekeeping research and have worked to see it enlarged and continued, and I will continue to do so, but I must admit it is easy to see why Bee Research in the USA may be in trouble. And I don't believe for a minute it is because beekeeper's have not shown the interest in bee research. If anything it the fact that the research lab's are not able to define their own role's to fill a public need and mostly operate in a climate of political uncertainties. Especially so in the light that so many hobby and small beekeepers have followed the "best" advice and recommendation's of the government to keep their bee's healthy only to have them die anyway. These are not the dumb people that some would make them out to be, and in reviewing the tape of Dr. Shiminuki, any can see that discussion of "positive stress" factor's is only a language trap as the combination of words fly's in the face of the real world. Especially since on the whole the best USDA recommendation's are to control one or more of the stress's from a list of many. Beekeeper's have been doing that since I have been around and are still losing bee's. I believe that we in the US have had our head's held in the sand for too long and if we want to have healthy bee's we better be looking for areas in the world that have healthy bee's or bee's that survive to spite all known problems and bring in that stock and the information on how it is being used by beekeepers, to add to our own tired gene pool or we risk losings it all in a short time. The few introduction's so far have added nothing to the big picture, and more then that is coming in ala natural through our boarder's which have been quarantine against bee's for generations and most of that which could be used is being destroyed. To think that we can change what we have by one or two regulated introduction's in a lifetime is just plain poor thinking and can not be demonstrated at any level in the field. I have tried much of the so called improved commercial stock available and they all die just as dead as the natural stock. There is no practical difference between any of the bee's available today in the US outside of color and the quality that comes with good rearing conditions and bee breeder experience. Some people have a talent and are able to apply it in the right rearing areas, other's try and fail. All have some failures... I would very much like to hear if you know of any large scale loss of bee's in your area, and if these losses have continued or have more or less come and gone or have continued or increased? Does not have to be in total number's of hives, but I am interested in total bee yard's that die out in spite of the efforts of the beekeeper, minimal or not. Feral population's count's of many year's would be useful. To count them now or study them now is interesting and of great value, but the horse has long left the barn. ttul Andy- andy.nachbaur@beenet.com BTW For the record I have yet to treat a hive for Varroa and do not look forward to treating hives for Varroa or any other mite. If that day comes that I have to get on the pesticide tread mill to be a keeper of bee's all will know my day has come and gone as a beekeeper. Some will say I have reach that point. "Pesticides may have been the final solution in 1940, God forbid they become the final solution to keeping my own bee's healthy." (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion's are not necessarily facts. From KFQT52A@prodigy.com Sun May 7 16:51:29 EDT 1995 Article: 1712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!philabs!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!usenet From: KFQT52A@prodigy.com (Jeffrey Judd) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive body coloring? Date: 2 May 1995 06:21:51 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3o4j1v$1mh6@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: <3npvsl$1vd@netnews.upenn.edu> <950428092655.5ae71e@news.nbnet.nb.ca> <3o31vt$a83@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 I find that my bees hate dark colors. I always get hit if I am walking near the hive with a black shirt. Bees hate lanolin and anything with that smell will be severly attacked. jeff Judd From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Sun May 7 16:51:30 EDT 1995 Article: 1713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: city bees revisited, please Date: 2 May 1995 12:08:17 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3o57bh$md1@hubcap.clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 I'm new to the 'net but kept bees for several years in the wilds of suburbia, courtesy of the indulgences of Mom and Dad. I now find myself also the proud owner of a half-acre patch of neighborhood, and would like to have some of our little furry friends to share it. I apparently just missed the city-bees vs country-bees thread. Could somebody summarize, send via private e-mail, or direct me to archives if there is such a thing? If not, I'd be interested in knowing how y'all have dealt with liability, peacekeeping, vandalism, etc. Or if these things are even problems or concerns. Also, are there particular strains of bees that are especially suited for residential hobbyist use? I don't care if they're not blindingly productive, just as long as they don't attack the obnoxious kid down the street. Regards and TIA, Cam Lay James Island, SC From lez@cs.mun.ca Sun May 7 16:51:31 EDT 1995 Article: 1714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!cs.mun.ca!lez From: lez@cs.mun.ca (Leslie D. Cuff) Subject: Potential Bee Supply Message-ID: <1995May2.140908.17903@cs.mun.ca> Sender: usenet@cs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 14:09:08 GMT Lines: 22 Last Year, I noticed that I had (what seemed to a layman to be) a hive of bees living inside my house. It appears that they gain access through an electrical outlet. I don't know if they hibernate over winter, nor do I know anything about their species. [what species are likely all this way east -- Newfoundland -- I'm 20 km from Cape Spear, the most easterly point in North America.] What I want to know is this: - should I expect to have a `bee problem' this summer - will blocking up the hole mean that won't re-establish a hive (or are they hibernating) - before I pay to have them removed... can I... - lure them out somewhere else - find a happy home for them Les Cuff Internet Researcher P.S. I'm very fond of bees. (please respond thru email to lez@porthole.entnet.nf.ca) Thanx From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Sun May 7 16:51:32 EDT 1995 Article: 1715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Re: city bees revisited, please Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <3o57bh$md1@hubcap.clemson.edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 15:33:03 GMT Lines: 21 > >If not, I'd be interested in knowing how y'all have dealt with liability, >peacekeeping, vandalism, etc. Or if these things are even problems or >concerns. Also, are there particular strains of bees that are especially >suited for residential hobbyist use? I don't care if they're not >blindingly productive, just as long as they don't attack the obnoxious >kid down the street. From my experience, bees are incredibly docile creatures. You don't bother them and they won't bother you. It is nice to have a fairly sluded place to keep them so that people don't notice them. I hide mine down a hill and at the edge of the woods. I am lucky enough to not have ne. I'm not sure anything can be done about the obnoxious kid down the street if he spends his time throwing rocks at your hives. As for gentle strains, I've heard Buckfast bees are pretty mellow. Regards, Larry Kellogg From healer@duncan.island.net Sun May 7 16:51:32 EDT 1995 Article: 1716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!news.island.net!usenet From: healer@duncan.island.net (Ronald Healy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: 2 May 1995 05:09:47 GMT Organization: Island Internet Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3o4eqs$hbe@cliff.island.net> References: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip16.duncan.island.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu>, srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu says: > >I lost a hive last fall to wax months, and my second hive this >spring for reasons unknown. On a warm February day I went out >for a quick look see, and all was well. Two weeks later the entire >hive was gone. There was honey in the hive, and no signs of starvation >or an excessive number of dead bees. Its like the entire hive left. >Is this normal swarm behavior? I thought in swarming, some wwould >stay behind. This is very disappointing. This hive won me first >prize in our county fair last year. I though I knew what I was >doing, but obviously not. I'm going to try one more time. Hi Steve. What you describe is so disappointing. From my reading and what others tell me it sounds as if you may have had a mite problem. The key is that the hive has adequate stores, etc. but almost no bees, dead or otherwise. I have no experience with this as here on Vancouver Island on the British Columbia coast we have no mites, (yet!?!). It will be interesting to see what others say. Ron From ajdel@interramp.com Sun May 7 16:51:33 EDT 1995 Article: 1717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!psinntp!interramp.com!ip223.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: amyl acetate Date: 2 May 1995 11:48:43 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3o566r$fu8@usenet.interramp.com> References: <1995Apr26.150724.4641@inet.d48.lilly.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip223.herndon2.va.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 2 May 1995 08:55:34 GMT In article <1995Apr26.150724.4641@inet.d48.lilly.com> Mike Quimby, m.quimby@lilly.com writes: >Greetings! I just wanted to double check and I don't have my bee book >with me.....amyl acetate is the alarm pheremone for honeybees, correct? >If anyone knows of a good reference discussing this subject, would you >please direct me to it? Thanks in advace!! Yes. "The Hive and the Honey Bee" has some info on this but I don't remember it being too extensive. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From marjorie@netcom.com Sun May 7 16:51:34 EDT 1995 Article: 1718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!marjorie From: marjorie@netcom.com (Marjorie Rosen) Subject: Re: Seeking beeswax Message-ID: Organization: The Rosen Home X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 05:15:31 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: marjorie@netcom17.netcom.com Kathleen A. Devlin (bw530@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote: : Anyone know where I can obtain a local supplier (Michigan) of beeswax? : Is this a product that I might be able to obtain from a beekeeper? : I would even settle for a mail order source. Definintely. Check your phone book for beekeepers or apiaries. Good Luck Marjorie From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 7 16:51:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees under Siding Date: 5 May 1995 03:43:15 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3oc6sj$497@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <1995May4.133609.21326@cs.mun.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Leslie D. Cuff (lez@cs.mun.ca) wrote: : As I mentioned, I've got bees living in my house. I happen to like bees : (though my wife is a little less enthusiastic) so I'd like to keep them : alive. However, I've got to replace the siding on the house. So, I've : got to either lure them out, or prepare to be swarmed when I start to : rip the siding off (I assume). : What is the best thing to do? : Can I tease them out into a hive (perhaps by putting a hive-like thingy : over the entrance hole?) You could put a bee-escape (essentially a one-way contraption) on the entrance with duct tape. You'd need to set-up another hive as close as possible to the old hive entrance. What happens is the bees leave the original hive, and upon returning from foraging discover they can't get back in, and eventually give-up trying and enter the second hive. The original hive dwindles until there are only (as someone else recently wrote) "hungry brood" and a queen. Eventually they die. The advantage is that you save some/most of the bees. Disadvantages are obvious. The other option is that you do a careful removal. Yes, some bees will get killed in the process, but if you take your time and the site is relatively accessible, you can save much of the brood and bees. YOu may also get the queen if you are lucky. Are you a beekeeper? Dave From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 7 16:51:36 EDT 1995 Article: 1720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: Tue, 02 May 95 08:14:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu writes: > >I lost a hive last fall to wax months, and my second hive this >spring for reasons unknown. On a warm February day I went out >for a quick look see, and all was well. Two weeks later the entire >hive was gone. There was honey in the hive, and no signs of starvation >or an excessive number of dead bees. Its like the entire hive left. >Is this normal swarm behavior? I thought in swarming, some would >stay behind.... What you describe is not normal swarm behavior, and I don't think February/March is 'normal' swarm season in Oklahoma anyway. Absconding is not uncommon for packaged bees, although thankfully it's not a common occurence either and certainly not common for established hives. Bees infested with varroa have been known to abscond, although I cannot guess how such action would relieve the hive from the mites. I would think the bees would bring the mites with them, but irregardless, they abscond anyway. Perhaps this is what happened with your bees. Have mites been a problem in your area? Keep a watchful eye this season! Aaron Morris From crowther@rschp1.anu.edu.au Sun May 7 16:51:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newsmaster From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kitchen Bees Date: 5 May 1995 06:20:14 GMT Organization: Australian National University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3ocg2u$2a3@manuel.anu.edu.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.35.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:Pine.OSF.3.91.950426191555.11840A-100000@paul.spu.edu AJ Muia wrote: >I spoke with Pat Wagner last month and she told me that she keeps a hive >in her kitchen. How is this possible? Has anyone else tried indoor >beekeeping? I hope I'm not misquoting her, but I'm pretty certain she >did say in the kitchen. A friend of mine a looonngg time back used to keep bees in her bathroom on the second floor of a block of flats. She had a small window with no glass in it and had the hive pushed up against the wall facing outside. Not what I would think was the best way to keep them but it seemed to work for her for a number of years. This might be how Pat is keeping her bees???? Best regards Jeff C. mailto:crowther@rschp1.anu.edu.au From roe@crosfield.co.uk Sun May 7 16:51:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Kitchen Bees Message-ID: <1995May5.122958.1739@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 12:29:58 GMT Lines: 25 In article AJ Muia writes: > >I spoke with Pat Wagner last month and she told me that she keeps a hive >in her kitchen. How is this possible? Has anyone else tried indoor >beekeeping? I hope I'm not misquoting her, but I'm pretty certain she >did say in the kitchen. > I expect this is an observation hive - a very small hive with glass windows so that you can see what's happening inside. The usual arrangement is to keep the hive indoors but have a separate outdoor entrance for the bees. On way of doing this is to drill a hole in a window frame and push through a piece of hosepipe which leads to the observation hive. An entrance this size would be too small for a full sized hive but is quite adequate for the relatively small number of bees in an observation hive. Running an observation hive is quite difficult and not recommended for a beginner. It's the beekeeping equivalent of bonsai gardening. The colony must be kept unnaturally small but still balanced in population, stores etc. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From erice@nature.berkeley.edu Sun May 7 16:51:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!igate2.cyanamid.com!Hypatia From: erice@nature.berkeley.edu (Eric K. Engelhard) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for a hive "nuke" in NJ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:51:31 +0000 Organization: American Cyanamid ARD Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9504261351.AA31547@Hypatia> Reply-To: erice@nature.berkeley.edu (Eric K. Engelhard) NNTP-Posting-Host: ptx107.cyanamid.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.2.1 Hi, I live in the Princeton area of New Jersey and am looking for a 2 tp 3 pound "nuke" of Italian bees. I prefer dealing with locals (at least within the state). If anyone can help, then please let me know. I can be reached most easily at erice@nature.berkeley.edu. Thanks, Eric Engelhard Insect Pathologist American Cyanamid Co. From c_dbowen@qualcomm.com Sun May 7 16:51:39 EDT 1995 Article: 1724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!usenet From: c_dbowen@qualcomm.com (Don Bowen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: 5 May 1995 14:45:16 GMT Organization: SAS Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3oddls$hjd@qualcomm.com> References: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dbowen.qualcomm.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) says: >What you describe is not normal swarm behavior, and I don't think >February/March is 'normal' swarm season in Oklahoma anyway. Absconding >is not uncommon for packaged bees, although thankfully it's not a common >occurence either and certainly not common for established hives. Bees >infested with varroa have been known to abscond, although I cannot >guess how such action would relieve the hive from the mites. I would >think the bees would bring the mites with them, but irregardless, they >abscond anyway. Perhaps this is what happened with your bees. Have >mites been a problem in your area? Keep a watchful eye this season! > >Aaron Morris What is the current thinking obout reducing mite losses? I only have a couple of hives so I cannot afford any loss and can afford to spend extra time doing whatever is necessary. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 7 16:51:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,rec.gardens,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.answers,misc.answers,rec.answers,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ Followup-To: poster Date: 5 May 1995 21:41:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 439 Approved: news.answers-request@MIT.EDU Message-ID: <3oe62m$rfh@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: This posting contains a list of pointers toward apicultural and beekeeping information on the internet. It should be read by anyone who wishes to post to the newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping or the listserv bee-l. Keywords: bee beekeeping apis honey mead pollination pollen Originator: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1725 sci.agriculture:4495 misc.rural:17657 rec.gardens:67939 alt.sustainable.agriculture:6376 sci.answers:2548 misc.answers:1854 rec.answers:11468 alt.answers:8797 news.answers:41740 Archive-name: beekeeping-faq Posting-Frequency: monthly Last-modified:1995/05/5 This FAQ tries to list and point to all informational resources on the internet for beekeepers and apiculturists. A great old beekeeping cliche is: "there are about as many ways to keep bees as there are beekeepers." Therefore rather than list and then answer the myriad beekeeping, bee culture, and apicultural questions in a cumbersome document, specific internet resources are listed in this FAQ so that you may find your own answers, like a true beekeeper! If you are unable to utilize any of these resources, please don't hesitate to contact me or post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. As a last resort, you could even mail the listserv, bee-l, but *please* be sure to include a return address in your letter, and to realize that your question will go to *** all *** the list subscribers. Explicit instructions on listserv use and bee-l are included in this FAQ. Please read them before mailing anything to bee-l. You can always ask somebody. Asking really works! I'm working on an internet archive for beekeeping. Once this is done, (soon, maybe by next month) you may mail me with information, comments, hints, stories, FAQ ANSWERS, and they will become archived in an easily accessible way, via ftp, gopher, and www. I have already received some really nice beekeeping files. Thank you, you know who you are and you deserve praise! ****** WHAT'S NEW: ****** * USDA-ARS Carl Hayden Bee Research Center (WWW) http://gears.tuscon.ars.ag.gov * Bees For Development (Magazine) Dr. Nicola Bradbear, ed. Bees For Development, Troy, Monmouth, NP5 4AB, UK (F) +44 1600 716167 email: 100410.2631@compuserve.com * Want to make beeswax soap or mead vinegar? Elain White has some information. email: ewhitevhp@aol.com * Some other addresses and URLs have been updated. Please send me any changes or additions. I'll be setting up the new beekeeping archive soon, and will be able to store larger files. Please feel free to contribute. ** POINTERS TO APICULTURAL INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET ** USENET news * sci.agriculture.beekeeping Beekeeping, bee-culture and hive products. Listserv: * BEE-L BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. To subscribe to BEE-L, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L To get help on how to run the listserver, send e-mail to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu with one line in the body of your message: HELP To send a message to all current BEE-L subscribers, mail it to BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu. (FOR DETAILED LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS, READ BEE-L SECTION AT END OF FAQ) * Beekeeping Home Page (WWW) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jlks/bee.html * _Apis_ Magazine archive (WWW) http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:7999/~entweb/apis/apis.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Colorado State University http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/ent.html * Entomology World Wide-Web Server at Iowa State University http://www.public.iastate.edu/~entomology/ * sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu anonymous ftp, gopher * sunsite.unc.edu WWW,anonymous ftp, gopher, telnet WWW: http://sunsite.unc.edu/11/.pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping/ anonymous ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu cd pub/academic/agriculture/sustainable_agriculture/beekeeping gopher: gopher sunsite.unc.edu go to: The Worlds of sunsite Sustainable Agriculture Information beekeeping (it's in there, the archive is huge!) (for more information about sunsite archives contact london@sunsite.unc.edu) * ftp.ucdavis.edu anonymous ftp: ftp ftp.ucdavis.edu /pub/extension/4h-youth/bee-keeping * Beekeeping FAQ's from beenet.com How to USE: Internet E-Mail a message addressed to: HINT.103@beenet.com on subject line put the name of FAQ : HONEY ADULTERATION Thats all, you are welcome to add a message. Mail runs are 6am & 6pm. Problems, post to sysop@beenet.com .. FAQ Last update 3-10-95 name * NEW or UPDATED _________ HINT.IND THIS INDEX * HINT.101 SOURCES OF BEEKEEPING INFORMATION HINT.102 HONEY AND ITS USES HINT.103 HONEY ADULTERATION HINT.104 FLORIDA BEE INSPECTION HINT.105 FLORIDA BEARS AND BEEKEEPING HINT.106 HONEY HOUSE SANITATION HINT.107 FLORIDA HONEY LABELING REGULATIONS HINT.108 PRODUCING SECTION (COMB) HONEY HINT.109 EXHIBITING HONEY HINT.110 SAMPLE POLLINATION AGREEMENT HINT.111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS HINT.112 EXTENSION APICULTURAL VISUAL AIDS HINT.113 USING HONEY IN LARGE-QUANTITY RECIPES HINT.115 GOOD NEIGHBOR GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES HINT.116 CHALKBROOD RECOMMENDATIONS HINT.117 HONEY MARKETING SURVEY HINT.118 PRODUCING POLLEN HINT.119 FINANCIAL MANGEMENT FOR BEEKEEPERS HINT.120 UPWARD VENTILATION HINT.121 WAX MOTH CONTROL HINT.122 BEE STINGS AND REACTIONS HINT.123 EXTENSION APICULTURE IN FLORIDA HINT.124 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND RATIOS FOR BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.125 PRESERVING WOODENWARE IN BEEKEEPING OPERATIONS HINT.126 THE VALUE OF POLLINATION BY HONEY BEES HINT.127 THE VARROA BEE MITE HINT.128 INFANT BOTULISM AND HONEY HINT.129 HONEY JUDGING AND STANDARDS HINT.130 USING THE HONEY REFRACTOMETER HINT.131 OBSERVATION BEE HIVES All HINT's courtesy of Malcolm T. Sanford, Cooperative Extension Service University of Florida, Gainesville, Fl Internet address:mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu beenet.com is a Information Service for Beekeepers & Friends, operated by Andy Nachbaur from the Wild Bee's BBS, 209-826-8107, Los Banos, Calif. * Remote File Retriver from beenet.com ( CLOSED FOR REPAIRS ) * Honey Hotline NHB Food Technology Program 1 -800-356-5941 P.O. Box 281525 415-340-3568 (FAX) San Franscisco, CA 94128-1525 USA * National Honey Board 421 21 st, suite 203, Longmont, CO 80501 USA 303-776-2337 * The American Apitherapy Society,Inc. P.O. Box 54 Hartland Four Corners, VT 05049 (V) 800-823-3460 (F) 802-436-2827 (International) 802-436-2708 *International Bee Research Association 18 North Rd Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK F: (+44) 1222 665 522 V: (+44) 1222 372 409 (24 hrs) email: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Now putting out "B-Mail" a monthly newsletter available on the newsgroup or the listserver, soon to be archived. * Mead list: Send ONLY articles for the digest to mead@talisman.com. Use mead-request@talisman.com for [un]subscribe/admin requests. When subscribing, please include name and email address in body of message. Digest archives and FAQ are available for anonymous ftp at: ftp.stanford.edu in pub/clubs/homebrew/mead. * The Mead Association P.O. Box 4666 Grand Junction, CO 81502 1-800-693-MEAD outside US 303-442-9111 * Mead Makers Page (WWW) http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html * Mead book list: for a good list of books on mead mail: jkl2@Ra.MsState.edu (ask for book list). ***** Online Beekeeping Reference Sources ****** * Malcolm Roe is pleased to answer British beekeeping questions such as: how to get started, the addresses of local associations and equipment suppliers, where to get some bees, legal questions, etc. email roe@crosfield.co.uk * _The Hewitt Apicultural Collection_ gopher: < gopher.uconn.edu > Select Libraries and Research Services. Then Edward H Kirschbaum Library (Waterbury Campus). Lastly, Hewitt Apicultural Collection. Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at UCONN handles this great resource. Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu * B-EYE bee eye simulator WWW pages that offer to "see the world through the eyes of a bee." http://cvs.anu.edu.au/andy/ Andy Giger email giger@rsbs-central.anu.edu.au * Northern Bee books Newsletter This monthly newsletter is an attempt at making information on newly appearing beebooks, as well as on those 'golden oldies' available to the beekeeping community. It is published simultaneously in BEENET, in sci.agiculture.beekeeping newsgroup and in BEE-L. Our main source of info is at Northern bee books UK, but input ( related to beebooks) from others is hereby cordially invited. Hugo Veerkamp email w.bos@voeding.tno.nl * mark your mail * -- "To Hugo Veerkamp" ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Diana Sammataro, bee researcher, author, is available for Tracheal mite questions and tracheal mite information. email dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. Cooperative Extension, also has Yellow Jacket control information. email collmans@wsuvm.csc.wsu.edu * For historical bee lore questions (bees knees), and bee lore info write Warner Granade, Librarian at UVa. email jwg2y@poe.acc.virginia.edu * Pollen Information, including pollen production and pollen usage is available from Rob Bidleman. email robbee@crl.com * For free information on observation hives email bculture@aol.com ask for _Observation Hive How-To * Bee Venom contact Michael Simics at 204 - 1331 15th Ave. S.W., Calgary ,Alta., Canada T3C 0X8 Ph/Fax (403) 541-1877 email: dgscribi@system6.lcs.gov.bc.ca * BOMBUS A mailing list dedicated to Bumblebees. To subscribe, send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca. To send a message to everyone on the list, mail it to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca. The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. The listserver (the computer that runs the list) maintains a log (archive) of all messages, and list members may request a copy of the log. The archive has a separate file for each month, and these files are currently saved for about a year. To access the listserve computer itself (i.e. to subscribe to or unsubscribe from BEE-L, to request a log file, etc.), send e-mail to the listserver address. Don't send control messages to the BEE-L address, because the message will just be sent to everyone on the list, and the computer will not do what you wanted it to do. Note that most control messages contain the list name (BEE-L) somewhere in the command, as the listserve computer generally runs many lists at any given time. How do I post a message to BEE-L? If you are on the Internet, send an e-mail message to bee-l@uacsc2.albany.edu If you are on BitNet, address your e-mail to bee-l@ALBNYVM1.BITNET Any message received at these addresses will be duplicated and mailed to everyone currently subscribed to the BEE-L list. How do I subscribe to, or unsubscribe from BEE-L? Send mail to the listserve computer (from the Internet the address is listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu from BitNet, the address is listserv@ALBNYVM1.BITNET To SUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L You may abbreviate SUBSCRIBE with SUB. Be sure to substitute your real name for the placeholder. You do not need quotes or any other delimiters surrounding your name. The listserve computer will determine your address from the "From:" header in your message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, the body of your message must contain the line: SIGNOFF BEE-L You may substitute either UNSUBSCRIBE or UNSUB for the SIGNOFF in this command to remove your subscription to the list If your address has changed since you subscribed, this command will fail - write to YOUR local POSTMAST/POSTMASTER/POSTMSTR id for assistance. If that fails, then write to OWNER-BEE-L @ for assistance. If that fails, then write one of the following (these are typical addresses that should be forwarded to a person who can answer your question): POSTMASTER@ POSTMAST@ POSTMSTR@ Note: = ALBNYVM1.BITNET if you are on BitNet. = uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on Internet). To avoid this problem, UNSUBSCRIBE from BEE-L before you move to a new e-mail address, and then resubscribe from your new address. How do I get help using the listserver? Send a message to the listserver, with the one word HELP in the body of the message. Address the message to listserv@albnyvm1.bitnet if you are on BitNet, or address it to listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu if you are on the Internet. The listserver will mail a help document back to you. Sending the message INFO ? will cause the listserver to mail you a list of additional help documents that are available. These additional documents are requested by sending the message INFO (be sure to substitute the desired document name for ) Aknowledgments I would like to thank the following individuals: Jon Gefael who taught me and who is almost always right Pete Thorsen who is a walking man page Rick Hough for his FAQ contributions (the bee-l how-to), and gentle way Ron Dippold and UVV for handling the newsgroup vote My school, VA Tech, for giving me an account Dr. Rick Fell, for making me think My old friend Jayne who bears with me even to this day My children for their beauty and to beekeepers worldwide Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Finkelstein, all rights reserved. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or compilations without express permission from the author. -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 7 16:51:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail_5/95 Date: 2 May 1995 18:05:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 223 Message-ID: <3o5sa1$spn@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf ===================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. >From Andrew Matheson, Director **May 1995** ===================================================== CONSERVING EUROPE'S BEES We had over 100 people at the scientific symposium of that name, organized by IBRA and the Linnean Society of London and supported by the European Commission DG12. The gathering was characterized by a high standard of presentations, both oral and poster papers, eager discussion (it was very hard to close up the coffee breaks!), and a good spirit of collaboration. There will be a full review of the symposium by Rob Paxton in the next Bee World, and early 1996 will see a book on bee conservation published by IBRA, the Linnean Society and Academic Press. BUT WHICH HABITATS? Yes, we're all getting switched on to realising that bees need conserving, and that conserving habitats is the key to protecting nesting sites and food sources. But is conserving habitats simply a matter of protecting land from human interference? Locking land up is good for some conservation purposes, but for bee species the matter isn't that simple. The session at our meeting on 'Habitats for bees', convened by Paul Westrich, threw some light on this. Paul discussed the concept of partial habitats, making the point that nest sites, pollen sources and building materials must be available in combination within the home range of a female. Some types of habitat such as moors, heaths, inland dunes or unimproved meadows actually contain all the resources a female needs for reproduction and the home range of the bee does not exceed the habitat boundaries. Therefore conservation and management of these habitat types are effective means to protect the species inhabiting them. But the entire habitat complex of a bee species very often consists of several partial habitats, especially when each partial habitat contains only one of the required resources. The nest site can lie several hundred metres away from the foraging site and a completely different type of habitat not used by the bee can divide them. Typical partial habitats are cliffs, unstable slopes or rocks (nesting sites) and ruderal places or fens (pollen collecting sites). Intensive land use very often leads to the destruction of one partial habitat and thus to the loss of either the nesting or the foraging site. As a consequence the bee population depending on the resource provided by this partial habitat is extinguished. Therefore protecting bees in many cases requires more than conserving just one single site. It must always give special attention to the whole range of activity and all the resources a given species' needs. A fascinating example of how urban areas can provide important habitats for bees was given by Chris Saure. I found this particularly interesting partly because I love Berlin, but also because of the interplay between political events and the natural habitats. A big surprise to many first-time visitors is how green Berlin is (and how flat; it has more canals than Venice). Within Berlin 262 bee species have so far been recorded; this comparatively high number is due to the favourable conditions of the local climate, the light and sandy soil and the large number of different habitat types. Berlin has many disturbed areas and ruderal places like disused railways, abandoned airports, heaps of rubble, roadsides and sand pits. Ruderal areas are places which have been disturbed by human intervention, but which are currently undisturbed or abandoned. For bees these are most beneficial in their early years, but as the habitats move towards supporting a climax community fewer nest sites and food resources are provided for bees. The fascinating thing about Berlin is that the dates can be determined very accurately for when land (such as railway lines) became unused, making the sequence of recolonization by plants and animals easier to study. Ruderal areas can function as refugia and centres of dispersal for many species and as stepping stones in the habitat network. These urban habitats merit much more protection. But in the last few years many valuable ruderal areas in Berlin have been destroyed by building houses and industrial plants, due to the political and economic changes after German reunification. Saure considers that it is imperative to protect the most important habitats and develop management strategies to maintain the species richness and prevent a further decline. The first nature conservation area is already in the planning stages. HONEY BEES AND NATIVE SPECIES Where honey bees are an introduced species, beekeepers are concerned about possible restrictions on their industry for conservation reasons. Managers of conservation land in some countries are becoming more alert to the possible impact of honey bees on native plant and animal species. One study from New Zealand presented at our bee conservation meeting gave honey bees a relatively clean report. The authors, Vivian Butz Huryn and Henrik Moller of the University of Otago, reported that although honey bees in that country use a taxonomically rich array of native flora only a small proportion of native plants are visited intensively. It seems there is little potential for disruption of specialized plant-pollinator relationships. Introduced weeds are a problem in protected natural areas; do honey bees add to their impact through pollination? Though honey bees visit many (43 percent) of these species, honey bees are probably effective pollinators of few of them. Another area of possible conflict is in the beech honeydew areas, where bees remove much of what is a very rich food source for insects and birds. The most intensive stocking of an area with honey bees could deplete honeydew standing crop by up to 82 percent for brief periods, but average colony densities would cause only a 13 percent decline. Introduced social wasps have been observed causing a decline of as much as 91-99 percent. The biology of New Zealand's 40 or so species of native bees is poorly understood, and any competitive effects of honey bees are not yet known. Only 0.6 percent of managed honey bee colonies in New Zealand are kept in protected natural areas. The Department of Conservation, responsible for managing these areas, has adopted a flexible strategy of allowing beekeeping to continue while reserving the right to exclude if evidence demonstrates a conflict between apiculture and conservation. Butz Huryn and Moller conclude that there is only a limited threat posed to conservation by beekeeping in New Zealand. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TASMAN This issue is also hot in Australia. David Paton is looking at the effect of honey bees in a national park in South Australia which during winter contains up to 80% of the state's beehives. Despite this high density of honey bees, observations reported in the January 1995 'Australian Beekeeper' showed that after honey bees stopped flying for the day there was still nectar and pollen available. One bird could obtain its daily requirements by visiting only 10 inflorescences (of Banksia spp.) and 100 birds could feed per hectare. It's fair to point out that in winter native bees aren't active. In the next issue of Bee World we will be publishing an excellent review by Evan Sugden, Robbin Thorp and Stephen Buchmann of how beekeeping in Australia has been challenged by concern about competition between honey bees and native bees, and how it has responded to the issues raised. VARROA INVADING BROOD CELLS There has been quite a bit of discussion lately about what triggers varroa to enter a brood cell, and whether any chemical stimuli can be used to lure these mites into a trap instead. Some of the finest work on this subject has been done by a team at Wageningen University in the Netherlands. One member, Willem Boot, has recently published his thesis entitled 'Invasion of varroa mites into honey bee brood cells'; but in the European style this thesis is in fact a collection of research papers that have been published or accepted by peer-reviewed journals. There are nine papers included, four published between 1992 and 1994 and the remaining five in press with different journals. Being from a Dutch university, of course these papers are in English (!). I don't know if copies are available for sale anywhere, but IBRA members can borrow this title from our library. GET TO GLOUCESTER Those of you lucky enough to be in Britain now that spring is here, can make your way to Gloucester on 27 May. IBRA will be holding its annual day with the Gloucester beekeepers and Hartpury College, and a good day will be enjoyed by the large crowd sure to attend. It starts at 1030 at Hartpury College, which is on the A417 between Gloucester and Ledbury. BUMBLE BEES FOR PLEASURE AND PROFIT The registration form is now out for this enjoyable and informative programme. Here it is, and remember that wFrom valdis Tue May 2 05:37:36 1995 Received: from ipe.cc.vt.edu (root@ipe.cc.vt.edu [128.173.4.8]) by vtaix.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA32141 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:37:36 -0400 Received: from ipe.cc.vt.edu (listserv@ipe.cc.vt.edu [128.173.4.8]) by ipe.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA05573; Tue, 2 May 1995 01:37:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199505020537.BAA05573@ipe.cc.vt.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 18:18:47 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Yanega Subject: Re: petting bees To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L >When I was a teen, I was known as "the girl who picks up bees" because >I was always toting around some bumblebee I'd picked up at the local >spring. (They would congregate on the mud to get water, and I found that >if I put a little water on my finger, I could pick them up and keep them >happily lapping up liquid while I toted them around and showed them off to >friends. A little sugar-water worked just as well on the honeybees.) >Needless to say, I had a bit of a reputation as an eccentric...but aren't >all bee folks? ;-) Another good trick is to learn how to sex bees and wasps on sight, and then grab a male and hold it for folks to admire (or, more usually, retreat in terror). It gives you the opportunity to explain, in dramatic fashion, that males can't sting (just don't try this with Cicada Killers - the males posess a "pseudo-sting" which is quite painful, even if it isn't venomous). It's especially fun to do this with Orchid Bees in the tropics; males (ONLY males) are attracted to volatile oils like menthol, eucalyptol, methyl salicylate, and the like, so just about any mouthwash will do (or menthol or wintergreen breath lozenges), and you can attract and grab these large, brilliant metallic bees, which will occasionally be carrying an orchid pollinium. Doug Yanega Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949 "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From paulp@ims.com Sun May 7 16:51:42 EDT 1995 Article: 1727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's this bumblebee? Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:43:02 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com Keywords: bumblebee X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] A neighbor (near Portland OR) has a small birdhouse which is occupied by some bumblebees. Their most distinct markings are whitish spots on the thorax and a bright reddish brown abdomen. The abdomen color is mostly solid towards the front with black and brown stripes at the end, similar to a honeybees yellow and black color. On the back of the thorax are a couple of white or yellowish white spots. The rest of the bee is dark colored. It is also quite fuzzy looking. Their size seemed to vary a lot. The smallest ones were slightly larger than a honeybee drone with the largest ones about twice that size. When I saw them they were flying in with pollen loads on their legs. They seemed fairly gentle. The neighbor would like his birdhouse without the bees. I would like to find out what they are before deciding what to do with them. Any ideas? Thanks From jimply@nr.infi.net Sun May 7 16:51:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!nr.infi.net!jimply From: jimply@nr.infi.net (Jim ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Hives - Just Starting Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:23:04 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-balthazar.infi.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am interested in learning more about bee keeping and possibly starting out. What would you suggest I read and what supplies should I puruse to begin. A friend of mine who has been keeping bees for 5 years has helped me some already. Please E-mail your responses to me. From lez@cs.mun.ca Sun May 7 16:51:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!cs.mun.ca!lez From: lez@cs.mun.ca (Leslie D. Cuff) Subject: Bees under Siding Message-ID: <1995May4.133609.21326@cs.mun.ca> Sender: usenet@cs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:36:09 GMT Lines: 16 As I mentioned, I've got bees living in my house. I happen to like bees (though my wife is a little less enthusiastic) so I'd like to keep them alive. However, I've got to replace the siding on the house. So, I've got to either lure them out, or prepare to be swarmed when I start to rip the siding off (I assume). What is the best thing to do? Can I tease them out into a hive (perhaps by putting a hive-like thingy over the entrance hole?) Help, Please Les Cuff Newfoundland, Canada Surrounded by Artic ICe and Magnificent Icebergs. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 7 16:51:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter loss experienc Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 02:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <950506054144232@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) <>ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) wrote: R<>> Bumble bees and the like will save the planet. Mites are killing our honey <>> bees. Libby, did you feed your hives in the winter? Did you use strips? R<>From your comment, I can only infer that the Varoa and Tracheal (sp?) <>mites are specific to honeybees. Is this indeed the case? If so, why do <>they not bother other bees or wasps? Hello Rick, "Have no fear!" the other species of bee's all have their own diseases, pest's and pathogens and they will not be replacing Honey Bee's in our lifetime as the principal managed pollinator's or producer's of honey and beeswax. They all are interesting and worthy of study and protection but NONE should fall for the BS line that they are Honey Bee replacement's just waiting for someone to throw money at them for research or you will be like some of my farm neighbor's who are farming over their expensive alkali bee beds and still looking for the last guy who said leaf cutting bee's were a dependable alfalfa seed pollinator and could be supplied and managed at less cost then renting Honey Bee's. Most of these so called alternative pollinating bee's or insects have been around as long as Honey Bee's and have not attracted more then minimal interest as they have so far proven to be impracticable for all but minor uses in very small acreage's and green houses. The problem is that the few who do champion these bee's at time's make wild and out of context claims for their own particular friend, bee it the Blue Orchard Bee, or Bumble Bee or you name it, that can not be substantiated by other's who would like to use these bee's in practical farm situations. Granted there are areas that these bee's for one reason or another may be better suited for pollination and they should be encouraged and protected for those areas, but sadly when these bee's are moved one way or another to other areas they are seldom successful and are soon abandoned by agriculturists. All bee's have one thing in common when large unnatural population's are needed for agriculture, "they all go to hell very fast with or without experienced keeper's". I still have my own Leaf Cutter Board of healthy happy leaf cutter bee's who have survived when other's have fallen to a leaf cutter chalk brood or a nasty little parasite. Of course my bee's are a little different from these other one's, they are survivor's, and aggressive in their nesting habits, so I was informed in a article that appeared in the press several year's ago that described them as the "killer alfalfa leaf cutter bee's", because their bio type (long native to this area) could be identified and would replace the bee's being brought into the area for pollination.(more BS, but all done friendly and in fun!) I guess what I am saying is that we all should cooperate with other's who are interested in bee's of any type, but not to the point that we roll over so they can try their best to replace us, if only because a 1000+ years of study and untold man years of practical experience we have on Honey Bee's and we don't know it all, and NO other bee can match that..at least we know we don't have all the answers. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions should not be considered facts. Wild Bee's BBS (tm) From jim2@xmission.com Sun May 7 16:51:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.xmission.com!slc56.xmission.com!jim2 From: jim2@xmission.com (Jim Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Glass sides on Hive Body Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:36:24 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slc56.xmission.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article regan@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) writes: >From: regan@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) >Subject: Glass sides on Hive Body >Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:32:33 GMT >Maybe this is a strange question: has anyone had experience using a hive body >with one or more translucent sides (eg: one side made of glass/plastic instead >of wood)? I was thinking of using something like this, to see what is going >on without opening the top. If the bees object to the constant light, which >they would, I would put a door/shutters on the outside of the that side to >cover it. But the glassy side would still be inside. >Any thoughts? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Rick Regan, beekeeper wanna-bee. >"Bees BANNED in DC!" >Rick Regan >Catholic University of America >Washington, DC >regan@law.cua.edu > Go out and get yourself an obesevation hive. They are glass sided (one side anyway) single frame hives that you can put in your den or living room with a small plastic tube that leads through the wall to the outdoors. Great fun and the bees don't mind the light at all. A glass wall on a regular hive body, wouldn't show all that much really, and the risk of direct sunlight hitting it and sending the heat level too high for the bees to cool. Jim From cronshaw@rain.org Sun May 7 16:51:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.rain.org!port20.rain.org!user From: cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:03:52 -0800 Organization: RAIN Public Access Internet (805) 967-RAIN Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: port20.rain.org Since I cannot seem to find the BEE-list these days, I am posting this message on this Newsgroup. What is the general consensus on Plastic foundation (i.e. Permadent) vs Pure Beeswax foundation? The ease of snapping plastic foundation is much greater than wiring, eyelets and embedding pure beeswax. What are the pros and cons of plastic foundation? -- Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberspace Chiropractor Helping the Infrastructure of the Backbone cronshaw@rain.org From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Sun May 7 16:51:47 EDT 1995 Article: 1733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Introducing New Queens Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 16:01:41 GMT Lines: 20 Quick questions regarding introducing a new queen. I had a hive go queenless and then broodless. So I added a frame from a strong hive which had eggs and larva and some sealed brood. As expected they started to make queen cells. Three days after I put the frame in, my queens arrived so I took out the frame with cells and put that into an observation hive. I added another frame of brood from a strong hive and the new queen into this queenless hive. (in her cage.)April 26, 1995 I open the hive May 6 and see that they have rejected her and have built some additional queen cells. Did I do something wrong or is this just normal? Also have another new hive where I can find the queen but she hasn't started to lay eggs yet. She has been in there for about ten days. However there are no queen cells. Is this just normal also? Dave Verville Plaistow NH att!mvtowers!mvdfv From regan@law.cua.edu Sun May 7 16:51:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!darwin.sura.net!news.cua.edu!cs4.law.cua.edu!regan From: regan@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) Subject: Glass sides on Hive Body Message-ID: Lines: 20 Sender: news@news.cua.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Catholic University of America X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:32:33 GMT Maybe this is a strange question: has anyone had experience using a hive body with one or more translucent sides (eg: one side made of glass/plastic instead of wood)? I was thinking of using something like this, to see what is going on without opening the top. If the bees object to the constant light, which they would, I would put a door/shutters on the outside of the that side to cover it. But the glassy side would still be inside. Any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Regan, beekeeper wanna-bee. "Bees BANNED in DC!" Rick Regan Catholic University of America Washington, DC regan@law.cua.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:24:49 EDT 1995 Article: 1738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ABF FAXline Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 00:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <950507180950239@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 61 AFB FAXline The American Beekeeping Federation NEWSLETTER for March/April announces a new service to Beekeepers. A fax based network for member's to report bulk sales of honey and receive information on the same from other members. A good idea, something the USDA has been doing for as long as I can remember with it's Monthly Honey Market Reports, but of course the information is a month old when you read it. I am sure the reason it was as good as it could be on market reports, when it used to be good, was that the reporter's knew that the information they were giving was not going to lose them a market or sale as the information would be at least a month old before the cat was out of the bag so to speak. All that is no reason not to support and join the ABF in their efforts, but it is something to keep in mind. How many beekeeper's are really going to participate at the time of sale and how honest are they going to be about it. After all are we not all independent small business men? And those who are not, are just as human as the rest of us. A good market is like a good bee location only the truly naive are going to give their good luck or fortune away at the beginning of the flow by telling everyone the bee's are making a super a day over by the Sand Pit and local honey packer is paying me 69 cents a pound for the load I am delivering tomorrow. Maybe I am wrong and beekeeper's have changed, God know's beekeeping has, and everyone is anxious to share market's, pasture, and the good life with each other, I think not, and if this was a free service to all from the ABF I would be more incline to think change has come, but >from my perspective it look's like another play for your dollar's in membership, as you must pay $150. or more in due's to get the service plus another $25. for a April-June trial period, now that it's way past April and almost June, that seem's a little high since my copy of the Newsletter just arrived. In an case, if any group of reader's is really interested in a "Honey Market Hot Sheet", I would be happy to set up a return Honey Market List that would return to each participant the same market information as fast as you or other's on the list posted it. This is no big deal and would cost nothing but your own time spent reading and posting any sales you made. Could just as easy include information on wax, bee hive sales, bee conditions, or what ever was of interest to the list participants. Would be of little value unless a lot of people participated, and for me little more then interesting as I am still a member of the socialists honey marketing group call Sue Bee and they make all the big decisions for me on my honey when I have any, like how much of what's left over after they sell it do I get. On a rising market like we now may be experiencing it's not much fun in a co-op until the following year as they normally follow a market up, but are slower in following it down. Good co-op member's have outside income or a wife who works at least at the start. ttul Andy- BTW; The address for the American Beekeeping Federation is PO Box 1038 Jesup, GA 31545, phone and fax number 912-427-8447, no internet address given? (A little too technically sophisticated I guess.) (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun May 14 01:24:50 EDT 1995 Article: 1739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mites and ticks Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 21:25:56 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net Keywords: Spyders (:-[ spelled spider yes X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] about 500,000 species of ticks and mites make up the subclass Acarina of the artropod class Arachnida (spyder) Remember Arachniphopia? The mite I fear is Verroa because it kills my bees. If you want live bees, kill the little spiders. Love, BerryBob@AOL.COM better E.Mail address From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun May 14 01:24:51 EDT 1995 Article: 1740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!ip3.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter loss experiences Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 21:30:58 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip3.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article Libby Goldstein writes: >From: Libby Goldstein >Subject: Re: Winter loss experiences >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) >We lost both of hives here in a South Philadelphia community >garden. There was a mouse in one...also dead, and the bees in the >other seem to have starved. No sign of mites or wax moths. >We're expecting two nucs this week-end, but it's a bit too late >for our fruit trees, and wild bees were not much in evidence >during prime flowering weeks. We do have lots of bumble bees >around now, tho. >Libby Bumble bees and the like will save the planet. Mites are killing our honey bees. Libby, did you feed your hives in the winter? Did you use strips? BerryBob From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun May 14 01:24:52 EDT 1995 Article: 1741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation Date: 8 May 1995 14:45:58 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3olar6$eu2@news.sandia.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov > What is the general consensus on Plastic foundation (i.e. Permadent) vs > Pure Beeswax foundation? > The ease of snapping plastic foundation is much greater than wiring, > eyelets and embedding pure beeswax. > What are the pros and cons of plastic foundation? Paul, This is my third year using permadent foundation and I prefer it over all other types. I have not had any problems with the bees not accepting it. I have had problems with wax foundation sagging and being chewed down. I have had problems with Duragilt sagging and rusting on the metal edges. I am in the process of replacing all other types of foundation with permadent. This process will take a few years but it is so nice to have solid comb that does not sag or flop out of the frame while doing inspections. I like it, and I think it enhances the neatness of the hives which should make happier bees. As for extracting, I haven't found anything easier to work with. I live in a hot/dry climate and our honey is thick. Plain wax foundation breaks before half of the honey can be extracted. My question is: Can old permadent be cleaned up and reused? From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun May 14 01:24:53 EDT 1995 Article: 1742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip11.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 15:32:50 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip11.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: >From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >Subject: Re: stings >Date: Mon, 01 May 95 11:03:41 EDT >In article <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> >hunchak@upanet.uleth.ca (Cindy Hunchak) writes: > >> >>Does anyone know a good remedy for stopping the pain after a beesting.... > >Time. Yes and get the stinger out by scraping skin with sharp knife. Honey works for some. Try hitting your big toe with a hammer, you will forget about a little sting. BerryBob From andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 01:24:53 EDT 1995 Article: 1743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!pipex!demon!matheson.demon.co.uk!andrew From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: amyl acetate Date: 8 May 1995 21:26:57 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 9 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <618046349wnr@matheson.demon.co.uk> References: <3o566r$fu8@usenet.interramp.com> <1995Apr26.150724.4641@inet.d48.lilly.com> Reply-To: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: matheson.demon.co.uk For reliable information about honey bee pheromones try: 'Pheromones of social bees' by John Free (218pp, 1987). Price 27 pounds plus postage, available from IBRA, the International Bee Research Association, (ibra@cardiff.ac.uk). ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- * Andrew Matheson E.mail andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sun May 14 01:24:54 EDT 1995 Article: 1744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!line33.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: stings Date: 9 May 1995 04:20:43 GMT Organization: none Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line33.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ You can buy some stuff called after sting, an ammonia based product which works very well, or try secret deodorant, it has some type of alumina compound which also works. From david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun May 14 01:24:55 EDT 1995 Article: 1745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: david macfawn Subject: Honey Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 20:04:03 GMT Lines: 20 Does anyone have a reference on what various types of honey look like and taste like? I would assume the look and taste would have to be in conjunction with the location and time of year. I am interested in a layman's guide, nothing that I would have to examine under a microscope or other light. Since I am in South Carolina, I am especially interested in the southeast I am also intestested in a guide to pollen, especially for the southeast. Again something that correlates the time of year, location, color of the pollen, and the general size of the "grain" Thanks, Dave M. david macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-632-7409 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:24:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: YELLOW PAGES added to FAQ Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:27:00 GMT Message-ID: <950508170121242@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 60 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ From Bob St. John>stjohn@interpac.net Sun May 14 01:24:58 EDT 1995 Article: 1747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.xmission.com!news.interpac.net!usenet From: Bob St. John>stjohn@interpac.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mites in Africa Date: 9 May 1995 18:22:31 GMT Organization: InterPacific Networks - Hawaii Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3oobt7$fch@isis.interpac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s7.interpac.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) I have been wondering if the mites have crossed into Africa. Cosidering what they did to the feral bee populations of Europe and North America, They would have an even more devastating effect on Africa. In Ethiopia the wild bees are more significant to the general population than in Europe and NA. I have been leaving this question on various newsgroups and I assume from the lack of response that the question is not being addressed. If anyone has any data about this please let me know. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun May 14 01:24:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: Tue, 09 May 95 08:00:39 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1739970A9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3oddls$hjd@qualcomm.com> <3ol4m7$ku5@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3ol4m7$ku5@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu writes: >> > ... Absconding >> >is not uncommon for packaged bees, although thankfully it's not a common >> >occurence either and certainly not common for established hives. >> >What is absconding? > >From Webster's: "to hide away: to depart secretly and hide onself". As it relates to beekeeping, it is the act of just leaving a hive for another location. It differs from swarming in that ALL the bees leave for another site. No bees remain behind. This sometimes (rarely) happens with packaged bees, is more common with captured swarms (a frame of capped brood virtually assures that a swarm will stay put), and is much more common with Africanized bees (a defense mechanism in their native environment and an aid for their rapid migration from Brazil throughout South and Central America and the southwest United States (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico(?) and Southern California)). Aaron Morris - thinking of absconding from work! From srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sun May 14 01:24:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: 8 May 1995 13:00:55 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ol4m7$ku5@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> References: <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3oddls$hjd@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcshc144.shc.okstate.edu c_dbowen@qualcomm.com (Don Bowen) wrote: > > In article <1739273DBS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) says: > > >What you describe is not normal swarm behavior, and I don't think > >February/March is 'normal' swarm season in Oklahoma anyway. Absconding > >is not uncommon for packaged bees, although thankfully it's not a common > >occurence either and certainly not common for established hives. Bees > >infested with varroa have been known to abscond, although I cannot > >guess how such action would relieve the hive from the mites. I would > >think the bees would bring the mites with them, but irregardless, they > >abscond anyway. Perhaps this is what happened with your bees. Have > >mites been a problem in your area? Keep a watchful eye this season! > > > >Aaron Morris > > What is the current thinking obout reducing mite losses? I only > have a couple of hives so I cannot afford any loss and can afford to spend > extra time doing whatever is necessary. > What is absconding? Steve Rogers From srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Sun May 14 01:25:00 EDT 1995 Article: 1750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news From: srogers@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Date: 8 May 1995 13:03:04 GMT Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3ol4q8$ku5@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcshc144.shc.okstate.edu Are Apistan strips *only* for treatment of hives with varroa? Is there any prophylactic benefit from periodic treatment? What is the proper timing of the use of the strips and harvesting? What of a new hive that I don't intend to havrvest this year? Thanks, Steve Rgoers From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:25:01 EDT 1995 Article: 1751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Winter losses Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <950509170519251@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3ol4m7$ku5@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <3o2v1k$jga@bubba.ucc.okstate.edu> <1739273D Lines: 24 <>What is absconding? Hello! That's a beekeeper catch all term that cover just about any reason a otherwise healthy hive leaves a bee box for the tree's other then swarming. When a hive abscond's normally no bee's remain in the hive. Such as the ant's were bothering my bee's and they absconded. Or some say Tex-Mex bee's abscond when they run short of honey, which may or may not be true, depending on who you talk too. Absconding is rare in healthy hive's, and hive's that are sick normally slowly die and/or drift away. The problem comes when the beekeeper does not visually see the last day's of his hive, which can happen at an accelerated rate toward the end and finds all the bee's gone. He tend's to say they absconded, especially if there are no visual sign's of a problem or disease. Another common cause of absconding is after a prime swarm or two leave's a weakened hive with a late virgin queen. Some time all the bee's will leave with the virgin on one of her flights and not return to the hive. Hope that helps, ttul Andy- From betts@orion.etsu.edu Sun May 14 01:25:02 EDT 1995 Article: 1752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!hermes.oc.com!usenet From: Gordon Betts Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My first hive (if I'm brave) Date: 8 May 1995 21:48:39 GMT Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX, USA Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3om3jn$d88@hermes.oc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acme.etsu.edu A swarm is settling behind our office building at this very moment. We have the hat, gloves, etc. and someone just said she'll give me her old super. I've never done this soooo - Any last minute tips before I "Just Do It"? Thanks, Gordon From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:25:03 EDT 1995 Article: 1753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROA ala natural Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 00:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <950510065336257@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 83 originally in conference IN-BEE-LIST on (Wild Bee's BBS) ---------------------------------------- From: Gordon@MULTITONE.CO.UK Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:41:58 +0000 Subject: Re: VARROA Mike Bipsham wrote: > Here in the UK varroa is now endemic. As an ecologically minded > hobby beekeeper, I am unsure if I want to continue beekeeping if > it means having to treat the hives with insecticide. Does anyone > know of alternative treatments? Please Note: I posted recently about some 'soft' chemicals we are using. Someone asked me to expand more. I'm unable to add very much and we're 'just' beekeepers not a research establishment, however I shall report what I can. Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------ IBRA (ibra@cardiff.ac.uk) supply an information pack on Varroa that makes good & useful reading. Most of the alternative methodologies are fairly labour intensive but feasible. IMHO the main alternatives are: 1) Drone Trapping. Divide a frame into three sections, fit a starter strip of foundation and place this near the outside of the brood nest. The bees will (probably :-) draw drone comb on this (which is what we want). Varroa prefer to lay in drone comb so we can cut these sections out in rotation (one per week) whilst we find a significant infestation. Makes a significant energy loss for the colony as they put a lot of work into the drones we kill. 2) Trapped Queen. Trap the queen onto a (preferably unused) frame using a frame sized cage of QX material to trap her on that frame. A week later transfer her onto another similar frame and do it again. A week later do it again, then remove and destroy the first comb which by now will be sealed. A week later release the queen and destroy comb two, in the final week destroy comb three. A powerful method because the mites have no choice but to lay in the trapped frames. Knocks the colony back a bit though. 3) 'Soft' Chemicals. Debatable what's 'soft'. Formic acid is the 'usual' stuff. It's a natural and degradable pesticide used by ants. It is however pretty nasty stuff for us. Handle with _extreme_ care. Lactic acid (naturally from milk) is used in a lighter concentration (5% sprayed lightly onto the bees & combs) and is supposed to work in a similar but less risky way than Formic. I do know that it knocks down quite a lot of mites. Our Association here (Basingstoke UK) have also been experimenting with icing sugar or french chalk dusted onto the bees & combs. The function of these is supposed to be purely mechanical -- it gets onto the sticky pads on the feet of the mites, they lose their grip and slip off. I've looked pretty closely at quite a few and I think it's true because I can see eight white feet. It seems likely that vigourous fanning by the bees may help this happen. We don't know if there are any side effects -- whilst the materials are pretty benign in themselves, the drying effects may be significant. All these are basically contact only on the adult mites, so treatment is about every four days for four treatments. The IBRA pack offers some other methods including heat treatment. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Gordon@multitone.co.uk Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk -30- From bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sun May 14 01:25:04 EDT 1995 Article: 1754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!line33.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill_fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation Date: 9 May 1995 04:18:59 GMT Organization: none Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3olar6$eu2@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: line33.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ In article <3olar6$eu2@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: > > What is the general consensus on Plastic foundation (i.e. Permadent) vs > > Pure Beeswax foundation? > > The ease of snapping plastic foundation is much greater than wiring, > > eyelets and embedding pure beeswax. > > What are the pros and cons of plastic foundation? > > Paul, > > This is my third year using permadent foundation and I prefer it over > all other types. I have not had any problems with the bees not accepting > it. I have had problems with wax foundation sagging and being chewed > down. I have had problems with Duragilt sagging and rusting on the > metal edges. I am in the process of replacing all other types of > foundation with permadent. This process will take a few years but > it is so nice to have solid comb that does not sag or flop out of > the frame while doing inspections. I like it, and I think it enhances > the neatness of the hives which should make happier bees. As for > extracting, I haven't found anything easier to work with. I live in > a hot/dry climate and our honey is thick. Plain wax foundation breaks > before half of the honey can be extracted. > > My question is: > Can old permadent be cleaned up and reused? I also have become a convert for plastic foundation, even though I am an amateur of 10 years experience. This is the first year I went into it in a big way and find even the queen likes it. Keep going. From moroney@world.std.com Sun May 14 01:25:05 EDT 1995 Article: 1755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Introducing New Queens Message-ID: Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 04:32:41 GMT Lines: 22 In article , mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: > Three days after I put the frame in, my queens arrived > so I took out the frame with cells and put that into an > observation hive. I added another frame of brood from a strong > hive and the new queen into this queenless hive. (in her cage.)April 26, 1995 > I open the hive May 6 and see that they have rejected her > and have built some additional queen cells. > Did I do something wrong or is this just normal? Did you introduce her in her cage or just set her loose? Regardless, I think they sometimes reject queens for no apparent (to humans) reason. > Also have another new hive where I can find the queen > but she hasn't started to lay eggs yet. She has been in there > for about ten days. However there are no queen cells. She may be no good, not mated or something. If she hasn't laid _any_ eggs there can be no queen cells. Stick in a frame of brood (with eggs), see if they start cells. -Mike From bstriggo@rx.uga.edu Sun May 14 01:25:06 EDT 1995 Article: 1756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!rx.uga.edu!bstriggo From: bstriggo@rx.uga.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: disease in old hive boxes Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 02:26:40 GMT Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.rx.uga.edu I had worked my way up to four hives on my small city lot, but this was too much for my available attention. Through my inattention and possibly other factors, I lost my last two hives this winter. I miss the little fellas though, and want to order a package soon. My question: What should be done to treat the old hive boxes before putting new bees in? I know that one of the hives has had wax moths. Semi-related: I've heard that A.I. Root is no longer with us. Where do y'all get supplies? TNX BCS From cronshaw@rain.org Sun May 14 01:25:07 EDT 1995 Article: 1757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.rain.org!port51.rain.org!user From: cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:51:46 -0800 Organization: RAIN Public Access Internet (805) 967-RAIN Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: port51.rain.org In article , ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) wrote: > In article cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) writes: > >From: cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) > >Subject: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation > >Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:03:52 -0800 > > >Since I cannot seem to find the BEE-list these days, I am posting this > >message on this Newsgroup. > > >What is the general consensus on Plastic foundation (i.e. Permadent) vs > >Pure Beeswax foundation? > > >The ease of snapping plastic foundation is much greater than wiring, > >eyelets and embedding pure beeswax. > > >What are the pros and cons of plastic foundation? > > >-- > >Paul Cronshaw DC > >Cyberspace Chiropractor > >Helping the Infrastructure of the Backbone > >cronshaw@rain.org > > Paul, I have been told by many beekeepers that they like plastic, they go > round and round in the extractor very well. However I have noticed that if > there is a bald spot on the comb the bees will just leave it alone. However > one could spray wax on the vacancys and that will fix. > BerryBob Berrybob, How does one "spray beeswax" onto the plastic bald spots? Paul -- Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberspace Chiropractor Helping the Infrastructure of the Backbone cronshaw@rain.org From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Sun May 14 01:25:08 EDT 1995 Article: 1758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My first hive (if I'm brave) Date: 9 May 1995 15:40:07 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 22 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3oo2cn$mf1@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <3om3jn$d88@hermes.oc.com> Reply-To: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 Gordon, First, get yourself some good books on beekeeping and read them very well. Then look for an experienced beekeeper who's willing to give you some good advice. Next, go home and try to find a nice and safe place where you can put your hive without bothering other people. Go back to your office and if the swarm is still hanging their, call the above experienced beekeeper to catch the bees for you. Hugo -- Hugo Thone (SE121) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp do bee do bee do .... From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun May 14 01:25:09 EDT 1995 Article: 1759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!uwvax!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Subscribing to BEE-L Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:56:51 GMT Lines: 19 : >Since I cannot seem to find the BEE-list these days, I am posting this : >message on this Newsgroup. For those who wish to enjoy bee-l, the bee mailing list, just send email to LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu with no subject and the message SUBSCRIBE BEE-L YOUR NAME Where 'YOUR NAME' is your own name. Be prepared to relpy to a message from the LISTSERV within a few hours at most -- and then you will start to receive mail from the list. Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Futures, Art & Honey:http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Sun May 14 01:25:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: What's this bumblebee? Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:38:10 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 81 I can't identify the bee more than suggesting that is likely a bumble bee. But then you knew that. Bumble bees are generally fairly docile and reluctant to sting. I've had one or two volunteers who would remove the bumblebee nests and place them in a nest box in another location. They closed it up with some honey and water for a day till they got used to their new home, then let the bees out. In my own garden, I consider it a very natural cycle to have chickadees one year, and bumble bees in the nest the next. It is quite wonderful. At the end of the bee year, I clean the birdhouse and it starts all over again. If the neighbor can tolerated the expense, I'd add another nest box this year and leave the bees alone. Then at the end of the year clean out the bee box, but not the bird box. If you can get the cycles to alternate you can have the best of both worlds. For Bumblebee info, get Bumblebee Economics by Bernd Heinrich. Harvard University Press. 1979. ISBN:0-674-08580-9 cloth; 0-674-08581-7 paper. There is also a Bombus (Bumblebee) mail list to send a message to the list send to bombus@csi.uottawa.ca which is maintained by Chris Plowright to subscribe send a message to bombus-request@csi.uottawa.ca using the usual subscribe bombus yourfirstname yourlastname Good luck. On Wed, 3 May 1995, Paul Petty wrote: > A neighbor (near Portland OR) has a small birdhouse which is occupied by some > bumblebees. Their most distinct markings are whitish spots on the thorax and > a bright reddish brown abdomen. The abdomen color is mostly solid towards the > front with black and brown stripes at the end, similar to a honeybees yellow > and black color. On the back of the thorax are a couple of white or > yellowish white spots. The rest of the bee is dark colored. It is also quite > fuzzy looking. Their size seemed to vary a lot. The smallest ones were > slightly larger than a honeybee drone with the largest ones about twice that > size. When I saw them they were flying in with pollen loads on their legs. > They seemed fairly gentle. > > The neighbor would like his birdhouse without the bees. I would like to find > out what they are before deciding what to do with them. Any ideas? > > Thanks > > Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture University of Washington GF-15 Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206-543-8616 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS From laser26@wwa.com Sun May 14 01:25:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.wwa.com!news From: laser26@wwa.com (Justin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: disease in old hive boxes Date: 11 May 1995 22:50:11 GMT Organization: WorldWide Access - Chicagoland Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3ou4b3$frs@news.wwa.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lom003.wwa.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 In article , bstriggo@rx.uga.edu says: > > I had worked my way up to four hives on my small city lot, but this >was too much for my available attention. Through my inattention and possibly >other factors, I lost my last two hives this winter. I miss the little >fellas though, and want to order a package soon. My question: What should >be done to treat the old hive boxes before putting new bees in? I know that >one of the hives has had wax moths. > Semi-related: I've heard that A.I. Root is no longer with us. >Where do y'all get supplies? > It's been quite a few years since I've kept bees, but as I recall the recommended procedure was to use a propane torch to scorch all inside surfaces of the hive. There may be a more up-to-date procedure, though. I'm just now getting interested again, since my nephews are getting old enough to enjoy this great hobby and my brother is relocating to our family farm in Galena, Illinois. Here's my chance to enjoy without the work! :) www (o o) --------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------------------------- Justin Mack laser26@wwa.com Downers Grove/Chicago From secure1@use.usit.net Sun May 14 01:25:11 EDT 1995 Article: 1762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!usit.net!usenet From: secure1@use.usit.net () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: teaching kids about bees Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 02:37:14 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3op8qb$6v2@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: secure1.ppp.usit.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 I am an instructor at a local childrens' museum. I do programs at area schools on astonomy using a piece of equipment called Starlab. I am working on a program using the Starlab dome to represent a skep type hive and putting the kids " inside " of a bee hive. What do you think of my idea? From 102077.2674@CompuServe.COM Sun May 14 01:25:13 EDT 1995 Article: 1763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Bob Rosebrough <102077.2674@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Tree/Chinese Bee Tree Date: 9 May 1995 00:27:57 GMT Organization: Novice Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3omcud$oc9$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> A beekeeper friend in Europe is having difficulty locating seeds for a Bee Tree (tetradium danieli). He sent an order to James Fodor company based on an old magazine ad but has received no response. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards--Bob -- Bob in the Twin Cities From ringetringetame@mind.net Sun May 14 01:25:14 EDT 1995 Article: 1764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!ip12.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:14:40 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip12.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) writes: >From: cronshaw@rain.org (Paul Cronshaw D.C.) >Subject: Permandent vs Pure Beeswax Foundation >Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:03:52 -0800 >Since I cannot seem to find the BEE-list these days, I am posting this >message on this Newsgroup. >What is the general consensus on Plastic foundation (i.e. Permadent) vs >Pure Beeswax foundation? >The ease of snapping plastic foundation is much greater than wiring, >eyelets and embedding pure beeswax. >What are the pros and cons of plastic foundation? >-- >Paul Cronshaw DC >Cyberspace Chiropractor >Helping the Infrastructure of the Backbone >cronshaw@rain.org Paul, I have been told by many beekeepers that they like plastic, they go round and round in the extractor very well. However I have noticed that if there is a bald spot on the comb the bees will just leave it alone. However one could spray wax on the vacancys and that will fix. BerryBob From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Sun May 14 01:25:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: New Hives - Just Starting Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 04:59:33 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 35 On Wed, 3 May 1995, Jim wrote: > I am interested in learning more about bee keeping and possibly starting out. > What would you suggest I read and what supplies should I puruse to begin. Many Cooperative Extension offices throughout the country have publications on Beekeeping, and many also keep information on local beekeeping organizations. The Cooperative Extension System is the federal name for what was the Agriculturals Extension Service, Extension Service, cooperative Extension, Cooperative Extension Service. 4-H and the Master Gardener Programs are also CES programs. Look in your county listings, or sometimes state listings, for any or all of the above. (Makes it very difficult to "market" this terrific resource.) Good luck. > > A friend of mine who has been keeping bees for 5 years has helped me some > already. > > Please E-mail your responses to me. > > Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture University of Washington GF-15 Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206-543-8616 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Sun May 14 01:25:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: stings Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:23:19 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 84 Regarding bee sting pain: I have a Master Gardener from another country who kept piping up that for bee stings ammonia was the solution. And if you were in the field, you carry your own personal supply. I was quite reluctant to swallow this. However, the inevitable happened, I was stung. It hurt like H...for about an hour. Finally, I decided to test the theory like a good scientist; an easy feat since I was stung on the finger. The pain eased immediately, not the swelling or redness, just the pain. About 3 hours later the pain returned. Another "application" and the pain subsided. Had I crossed the twilight zone? Is the mind a willing partner in this? This is not a scientific test. But it is a remedy, I'm willing to gather extra data on next time I'm stung. (Hopefully not on my shoulder.) Meat tenderizer is also supposed to work to reduce the affects of the toxin. Finally, scraping the stinger with a fingernail, between skin and poison sac, so as not to squeeze more poison into the wound. Yellowjackets don't have barbed stingers so don't usually leave poison sacs and stinger, but I suppose that a tensed muscle could pinch it enough to pull it free of the wasp. Pay close attention within 15 minutes of the sting event for any signs of an affect not attached to the site of the sting. As I understand it, the a serious swelling that radiates out from the sting is a serious reaction. A reaction separate from the sting, (ie stung on finger, eye swells) is an allergic reaction. Any sign of tightess of the chest, esophagous, difficulty breathing, should be taken seriously and to immediate medical help. Contact an allergist if you think you are allegic to bees. The test includes several venoms from the several kinds of stinging insects as I understand it. I obtained this information from a reputable allergist but would recommend that you contact your own for correct information for your area as I have no medical training, just a long interest in providing information. On Sat, 6 May 1995, Robert Inget wrote: > In article <173919B91S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: > >From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) > >Subject: Re: stings > >Date: Mon, 01 May 95 11:03:41 EDT > > >In article <3nsh56$5a1@holly.cc.uleth.ca> > >hunchak@upanet.uleth.ca (Cindy Hunchak) writes: > > > >> > >>Does anyone know a good remedy for stopping the pain after a beesting.... > > > >Time. > > Yes and get the stinger out by scraping skin with sharp knife. Honey works > for some. Try hitting your big toe with a hammer, you will forget about a > little sting. > BerryBob > > Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture University of Washington GF-15 Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206-543-8616 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:25:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mites in Africa Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 05:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <950511051455261@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3oobt7$fch@isis.interpac.net> Lines: 54 BSJ<>From: Bob St. John>stjohn@interpac.net <>I have been wondering if the mites have crossed into Africa. Cosidering what they did to the feral bee populations of Europe and North America, They would have an even more devastating effect on Africa. <>In Ethiopia the wild bees are more significant to the general population than in Europe and NA. I have been leaving this question on various newsgroups and I assume from the lack of response that the question is not being addressed. Or just maybe they are not having a problem, after all they have about 3,500 more year's beekeeping experience they most of us. In any case the people that may be in the know could be the group from Cornel whom I believe have had a mission there for many years, don't know if any of them lived to tell the story or not, or join the common folk in any internet posting's. <>If anyone has any data about this please let me know. Wanted to post to you anyway, Bob, as I thought of you not too long ago after reviewing some BS (bee science tapes) that had some mention of DNA. Not the kind you might smoke, the kind that may tell you if your daddy was really the milkman like mom alway's said or was your dad. It seem's the USDA has been looking at the so-called feral rock bee's in Arizona,(Which came first the chicken or the egg?), and found that they still had the remnants of Egyptian Bee's which is OK because they did not come from Southern Africa, not to be confused with the Cape Bee's of South Africa, which are a greater threat then the Afrikaner Bee's because the worker's are sexy enough to lay egg's in the absence of a queen making it near impossible to introduce a new queen. So it is said. so it must be. Anyway it reminded me of the Cyprian Bee and I thought that maybe your dad was once a breeder of in California in the late 40's. I also remembered that the Cyprian's when first introduced in California along with a lot of other types from around the world and were reported by Benton to be so fierce that no one would tolerate them, even more so then the dreaded Afrikaner bee of today. These bee's, the Cyprian's it was written in the old text's were thought to be the daughters of the Egyptian Bee. Maybe your Dad left some DNA fingerprints in the feral cave bee's of Arizona by way of selling queen's to some of the old time beekeeper's in that area. What I remember as Cyprian's were a large dark italian type bee with white band's. At least the one's I once saw in exhibition at the State Fair many, many season's ago, that caught my eye as a child and I think they had a Mark St. John brand on them. ttul Andy- From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Sun May 14 01:25:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping information in SC Date: 12 May 1995 12:23:04 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3ovjv8$836@hubcap.clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 David MacFawn posted a question about honey and beekeeping in SC but unfortunately his address appears to be no good. With apologies for the use of bandwidth, Dave should call Mike Hood with Clemson University's Dept. of Plant Industries at (803) 656-3106 or e-mail him at MHOOD@CLEMSON.EDU. Regards, C From juarez Sun May 14 01:25:18 EDT 1995 Article: 1769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!emngw1.emn.com!usenet From: Juarez_Carlos Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Date: 12 May 1995 14:17:32 GMT Organization: Eastman Chemical Company Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3ovqls$17o9@emngw1.emn.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: emngw1.emn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; AIX 2) To: david.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM X-URL: news:D89zqs.MGM@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM no way we have nothing From anthony@iet.hist.no Sun May 14 01:25:19 EDT 1995 Article: 1770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!astfgl.idb.hist.no!ans27.elektro.tih.no!anthony From: anthony@iet.hist.no (ANTHONY MORGAN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA ala natural Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:03:50 GMT Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Norway Lines: 62 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <950510065336257@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] >From: Gordon Scott via Andy Nachbaur >Subject: VARROA ala natural >Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 00:51:00 GMT Greetings fellow beekeepers everywhere! I am located in mid-Norway not far from Trondheim, latitude 63-26 North (look it up on a map!). Varroa is now widespread in southern Norway (endemic would be too strong a term yet) but has yet not spread to mid-Norway because of:- a) restrictions on movement and sale of bees and used hive material etc. and b) the convenient existence of a mountainous area to the south of us. I am interested in other's experiences with "natural" methods of combating varroa and any recommendations/tips. We are barred from using "non-natural" insecticides etc by virtue of the norwegian law. The more complicated 'mechanical' methods appear to involve too much work and disturbance to the colony and the 'soft' chemical methods do not seem suitable either for the reasons that follow:- We are lucky enough to have two honey seasons, one for so-called summer-honey based on wild raspberries followed imediately by one for heather honey that finishes at the beginning/middle of September. Due to the problems with overwintering with heather honey we take the full honey quantity and feed the colonies on sugar syrup. This is, in fact, economically advantageous as honey is worth about seven times the cost of sugar per kilogram! However, this means the most suitable time for treatment with formic acid or lactic acid is when the temperature is dropping rapidly day by day such that we sometimes have difficulty feeding the colonies. > 1) Drone Trapping. > Divide a frame into three sections, fit a starter strip of > foundation and place this near the outside of the brood nest. > The bees will (probably :-) draw drone comb on this (which is > what we want). Varroa prefer to lay in drone comb so we can > cut these sections out in rotation (one per week) whilst we > find a significant infestation. Makes a significant energy > loss for the colony as they put a lot of work into the drones > we kill. It is interesting to note that many of us here use the three section empty frame as a 'swarming barometer'. (without any starter strip of foundation normally) This has been a known technique for many years (e.g. Handbook of Beekeeping, R. Lunder, 3rd. ed. 1980). Lunder says (translation):- "Use of the building frame is recommended in apiaries where one does not systematically use more radical methods for restricting swarming. It takes some work to shift the super and take out the frame on a weekly basis but on the other hand it takes significantly more work to check the whole brood chamber for swarm cells. And as described earlier; the building frame tends to damp down the tendency to swarm to some extent." (as wax production is ongoing, the queen is provided continously with extra egg-laying space and the larva, if present, absorb some of the colonies food production) Cheers Tony Morgan anthony@hist.iet.no From ids.net Sun May 14 01:25:21 EDT 1995 Article: 1771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!paperboy.ids.net!usenet From: "johnwater@IDS.NET" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Suits Date: 13 May 1995 01:04:19 GMT Organization: IDS World Network Internet Access Service, (800)IDS-1680 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3p10ij$3hu@paperboy.ids.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pslip088.pvd-ri.ids.net I own a one piece suit supplied from Dadant which has the veil and hat ATTACHED. They've discontinued this model and only have the silly suits for which you have to buy the football helmet and veil. Does anyone know where I can buy the good old-fashioned one piece model? From bstriggo@rx.uga.edu Sun May 14 01:25:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.Gsu.EDU!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!dopey.rx.uga.edu!bstriggo From: bstriggo@rx.uga.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re: beekeeping suits Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 03:16:11 GMT Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.rx.uga.edu I've been using a one-piece Tyvek asbestos removal suit. These suits have a built in hood and plastic face shield. The plastic can be cut out and replaced with window screen by using duct tape to tape the screen in the opening. These suits are intended to be single use but with a little care they can last for years. They're also handy if friends want to watch. The last I bought were around $10 fm Direct Safety From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 14 01:25:23 EDT 1995 Article: 1773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Frugal Beekeeper Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:20:00 GMT Message-ID: <950512080027269@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 16 ---------------------------------------- From: John Carver Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 01:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: The Frugal Beekeeper We have used the menthol cough drops for 3 years. (also grease patties). The menthol had to be applied while the weather was still warm after the honey was harvested. The bees ate the cough drops. Some brands of cough drops contain stronger doses of menthol than others, so it pays to read the label. Our bees succumbed to the varroa mite, however, this last winter. Sue Carver Richland, WA From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sun May 14 01:25:24 EDT 1995 Article: 1774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: disease in old hive boxes Date: 13 May 1995 03:54:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3p1aha$t2h@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3ou4b3$frs@news.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3ou4b3$frs@news.wwa.com>, Justin wrote: >> >It's been quite a few years since I've kept bees, but as I recall the >recommended procedure was to use a propane torch to scorch all inside surfaces >of the hive. There may be a more up-to-date procedure, though. This is a great procedure, but for AFB. (American Foulbrood) Wax moths are a secondary pest, that is, they don't kill bees. Seeing them in dead hives is okay. Unless you know you have brood disease, I wouldn't go through the trouble of scorching the boxes. Start out on foundation, see what happens. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From spb@ntrs.com Sun May 14 01:25:25 EDT 1995 Article: 1775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!bounce-back From: spb@ntrs.com (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.bio,sci.bio.ecology,sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera,sci.bio.ethology Subject: RESULT: sci.bio.entomology.misc passes 342:14 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 May 1995 16:35:36 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 447 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.announce.newgroups:5975 news.groups:123965 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1775 sci.bio:23486 sci.bio.ecology:11925 sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera:1166 sci.bio.ethology:1964 RESULT unmoderated group sci.bio.entomology.misc passes 342:14 There were 342 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 356 valid votes. There were 5 abstains and 7 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: sci.bio.entomology.misc General entomology and related issues. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 May 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine . For questions about the proposed group contact Maarten van Helden . Co-proposers: Yvan Rahbe Lou Bjostad Rod Crawford Peter Rauch Christopher Majka Mentor: Ed Bailey CHARTER Discussion, news, and queries concerning the study of insects and other (non-marine) arthropods not covered in more specialised newsgroups. The newsgroup is meant to cover a wide variety of entomological topics, including postings about arachnology, myriapodology and other studies with affinities to entomology. Sci.bio.entomology.misc is *NOT* intended as a forum for the buying and selling of insect specimens nor for the advertising of commercial products and services. However, it is permissible to use the newsgroup to post brief comments with pointers to addresses where readers can obtain information about such products. All participants are expected to respect the environment and the law. Efforts to encourage trespassing or to subvert conservation laws are *NOT* welcome on this newsgroup. Communication will be welcomed from all those interested in entomology, including serious amateurs as well as professionals and students, since these groups have much to contribute to one another and are in need of better communication channels. We hope that through interest and involvement by participants, documents of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) will in time be developed on many topics of interest to participants and the general public. Though intended mainly for communication among entomologists, some queries from the general public are to be expected; those which can be answered will be answered politely. sci.bio.entomology.misc Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 76121.1765@compuserve.com D. Buckle or S. North @Vines2.WAU.NL:Marieta=Braks%Medew@ENTO.WAU marieta braks a348rhansen@attmail.com Richard Hansen aa984@cfn.cs.dal.ca Sheilagh Hunt ABROCE@oz.oznet.ksu.edu ALBERTO BROCE adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adam Finkelstein Adriaan.Vermunt@medew.ento.wau.nl adriaan vermunt ae779@lafn.org Pierre A Plauzoles af694@rgfn.epcc.Edu William D. Sumlin afn05345@freenet.ufl.edu G. B. Edwards AGROBRH@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu Bruce E. Hibbard ahensley@acpub.duke.edu Adele Hensley akagdis@cts.com Alex Kagdis Allen.Barlow@rbp.co.uk Barlow, Allen altenbur@plains.nodak.edu Karl Altenburg amuccinelli@alfredo.dsnet.it Alessandra Muccinelli andradml@sce.com AndrasS@apb.agric.wa.gov.au Szito, Andras (Entomology) anorton@nature.Berkeley.EDU Andrew Norton ARG5876@ACS.TAMU.EDU ArthroStud@aol.com aspires@systema.westark.edu Alyce Spires auger@orleans.inra.fr ## Marie-Anne Auger ## augustin@orleans.inra.fr Sylvie Augustin B.Ahmed@forprod.csiro.au Berhan Ahmed baumeisn@ava.BCC.ORST.EDU Nancy Baumeister be404@yfn.ysu.edu Adalbert Goertz Beary@UNO.CC.GENESEO.EDU Edward Beary beekman@bio.uva.nl madeleine beekman bela.nagy@onlinesys.com BELA NAGY bhdietz@cat.cce.usp.br Bodo Hasso Dietz bishopdo@student.msu.edu Bryan Bishop bjv@herbison.com B.J. 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Casey Sclar cwitham@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Carol Witham cynipoid@tripnet.se Michael Soderlund D.Ewart@forprod.csiro.au Don Ewart D.Heald@unsw.edu.au Daniel Heald dalex@eskimo.com Dave Alexander dan.r@ix.netcom.com Dan Rothschild davidh@ctpm.uq.oz.au David Holdom dbammc0@ps.uib.es Miguel Angel Miranda dbarry@umce.umext.maine.edu Don Barry dbt@unlinfo.unl.edu David Taylor dcf@uevora.pt Diogo Figueiredo delobel@jouy.inra.fr Bernard Delobel delplanq@orleans.inra.fr =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Delplanque desertdog@asu.edu dfrey@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu Dennis Frey Dhsmall@aol.com Dick.Diederik@medew.ento.wau.nl dick diederik dinglis@uoguelph.ca David W Inglis dkohls@csn.net David Kohls dmcleod@julian.uwo.ca Glenn McLeod doog@amber.ssd.hcsc.com Doug Scofield doppenhe@nature.Berkeley.EDU Daniel Oppenheimer doyle@tiac.net Sean Doyle drgonzo@anduin.ocf.llnl.gov Peter D Norquist drysula@panix.com Dusan Rysula DSNITGEN@pclab.acs.nmu.edu DONALD A. 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Hsiao TMATTHEW@UTKVX.UTCC.UTK.EDU Terri S Matthews tonyc@tas.for.csiro.au Tony Clarke TPEJONG@RCL.WAU.NL Meindert de Jong [^_^] trier@pilot.msu.edu Terry Trier tschn@fbkws2.forst.tu-dresden.de Thomas Schreiter TSXK95F@prodigy.com MR JASON A SHAW TWF@sheffield.ac.uk Roland Strube tyoho@eagle.lhup.edu Tim P. Yoho uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Conrad A. 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No vote statement in message From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 14 01:25:26 EDT 1995 Article: 1776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA ala natural Date: 13 May 1995 08:37:35 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 50 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3p1r4f$9as@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <950510065336257@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] : originally in conference IN-BEE-LIST on (Wild Bee's BBS) : ---------------------------------------- : From: Gordon@MULTITONE.CO.UK : Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:41:58 +0000 : Subject: Re: VARROA : 3) 'Soft' Chemicals. : Our Association here (Basingstoke UK) have also been : experimenting with icing sugar or french chalk dusted onto the : bees & combs. The function of these is supposed to be purely : mechanical -- it gets onto the sticky pads on the feet of the : mites, they lose their grip and slip off. I've looked pretty : closely at quite a few and I think it's true because I can see : eight white feet. It seems likely that vigourous fanning by : the bees may help this happen. We don't know if there are any : side effects -- whilst the materials are pretty benign in : themselves, the drying effects may be significant. All these : are basically contact only on the adult mites, so treatment is : about every four days for four treatments. : Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve How much powder do you need, and how evenly does it need to be distributed? When I read about these treatments a month or so ago, here in the news group, it occurred to me that maybe the way to go (if these work) is to cut an auger hole, or set thereof, in appropriate places at the tops of the brood chambers or perhaps the supers. Where exactly would depend upon what area needs to be dusted (I don't know). Anyway, If these holes were plugged with greased wooden dowels, it would be relatively easy to remove the dowels and insert a turkey basting type device filled with the powder of choice, and squeeze away. This would obviate the need for a full scale manipulation if the powder could be sufficiently dispersed. There are some other, similar approaches but they are still dependent upon the answers to the following questions: 1) Do you need to dust the frames individually, or is dusting along the top bars sufficient? 2) If the answer to the above is that dusting the top bars is sufficient, do you just dust the top supers, all the supers/deeps, or just the deeps? I am trying a variety of approaches this year and plan to analyze the results using contingency tables. I'll certainly publish the results, if they are worthy of dissemination. Dave From andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:47:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!matheson.demon.co.uk!andrew From: "C:WINSOCKKA9QSPOOLMAIL" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites in Africa Date: 13 May 1995 20:29:19 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 30 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <641886681wnr@matheson.demon.co.uk> References: <3oobt7$fch@isis.interpac.net> Reply-To: andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: matheson.demon.co.uk In article: <3oobt7$fch@isis.interpac.net> Bob St. John>stjohn@interpac.net writes: > I have been wondering if the mites have crossed into Africa. Cosidering what they > did to the feral bee populations of Europe and North America, They would have an > even more devastating effect on Africa. > In Ethiopia the wild bees are more significant to the general population than in > Europe and NA. I have been leaving this question on various newsgroups and I > assume from the lack of response that the question is not being addressed. > If anyone has any data about this please let me know. The answer depends on which mite you are talking about. Varroa has been reported from all of the countries north of the Sahara; there is also an unconfirmed report from Niger. There are no reports of it from subsaharan Africa. The tracheal mite is probably distributed quite widely in Africa; little is know of its distribution but most thorough investigations have found it. The Asian mite tropilaelaps was reported from Kenya in 1993. This information is taken from 'World bee health report', a 37 page review covering the bee health status of almost every country in the world. Published in 1993, it now comes with a free 1995 update. Price 4.25 pounds plus postage (x1.6 in dollars), and available from the International Bee Research Association (ibra@cardiff.ac.uk). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Andrew Matheson E.mail andrew@matheson.demon.co.uk * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sun May 14 13:47:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!hookup!news.Direct.CA!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Re: Glass sides on Hive Body Message-ID: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:21:30 GMT Lines: 21 Jim Jackson (jim2@xmission.com) wrote: : In article regan@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) writes: : >From: regan@law.cua.edu (Rick Regan) : >Subject: Glass sides on Hive Body : >Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:32:33 GMT : >Maybe this is a strange question: has anyone had experience using a hive body : >with one or more translucent sides (eg: one side made of glass/plastic instead : >of wood)? I was thinking of using something like this, to see what is going Plexiglas instead of plywood for an inner cover works well for just looking in the top without stings. My dad used to have some of them and enjoyed taking the lid off without exposing the bees. Allen -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Futures, Art & Honey:http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:47:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees under Siding Date: 13 May 1995 23:27:23 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 31 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <800401963snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <1995May4.133609.21326@cs.mun.ca> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article <1995May4.133609.21326@cs.mun.ca> lez@cs.mun.ca "Leslie D. Cuff" writes: > As I mentioned, I've got bees living in my house. I happen to like bees > (though my wife is a little less enthusiastic) so I'd like to keep them > alive. However, I've got to replace the siding on the house. So, I've > got to either lure them out, or prepare to be swarmed when I start to > rip the siding off (I assume). > > What is the best thing to do? > > Can I tease them out into a hive (perhaps by putting a hive-like thingy > over the entrance hole?) My view -- first find a local beekeeper and chat it over; Please *do* consider beekeeping -- it's a great hobby, but do get help with this before you start. Probably you *will* have to remove the siding and physically remove the colony. This is ok if you know what to expect, but could be distressing otherwise -- I'm not too much into baptisms of fire, especially where a basically friendly insect friend of mine is concerned. It's unlikely that you'll lure out the queen, you will almost certainly have to get her the 'hard' way -- inverted commas because the hard bit it the carpenrtry! Good luck, hope to see you again soon on the list, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:47:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kitchen Bees Date: 13 May 1995 23:27:23 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 56 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <800400543snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article ajmuia@paul.spu.edu "AJ Muia" writes: > I spoke with Pat Wagner last month and she told me that she keeps a hive > in her kitchen. How is this possible? Has anyone else tried indoor > beekeeping? I hope I'm not misquoting her, but I'm pretty certain she > did say in the kitchen. In the kitchen is unusual but certainly feasible, but many people run 'bee houses' where the hives are essentially in a shed, and the bees exit through a hole in the wall of the building. This is quite a popular way of beekeeping in some areas of Europe and does have many attractions. As it happens (pure fluke) I was in a bee house today. If you keep bees 'indoors' like this, they do seem less upset by working them (I don't know why), so this is probably a good approach for urban and suburban beekeepers, although of course one should avoid becoming over confident as a result. [Hmm, maybe there's less obvious evidence of them being upset.] Where we visited today (Sid Pullinger, just a few miles south of us and probably reading this -- thanks again Sid) he has a bee house about 15x12 feet with 12/13 hives in it (all guesstimates -- with several on scales to measure weight changes). I watched quite closely the behaviour of the bees, both from within and without because I'm considering a small bee house in the garden at home. I wanted to see for myself how they react to manipulations in these circumstances and I was quite pleased at what I saw -- I started beekeeping to get my fruit trees pollinated (although I'd always been curious) but my garden's not really *quite* big enough unless the bees are really well behaved. When you work bees in a bee house they tend (of course) to come out of the hives into the house, but they then realise they're 'lost' and try to find their way out rather than protecting their home. This seems to distract them from their original intention to defend and reduce their tendency to set up their usual 30ft away protective ring (don't quote me on the distance -- it varies). This seems to me to be a useful aspect particularly in non or quasi-rural beekeeping. I shall soon have a bee house in my garden. I want bees at home both for pollination and I think for comfort (aren't they lovely ;-), but I don't want the worry of distressed neighbours -- ok, it may be mostly in their minds but that doesn't help me. Incidently, Sid had a nice selection of meads too -- but that's another story. Best regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:47:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Hives - Just Starting Date: 13 May 1995 23:27:23 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 25 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <800401132snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk "Jim" writes: > I am interested in learning more about bee keeping and possibly starting > out. What would you suggest I read and what supplies should I puruse to > begin. I'm biased because I'm a recent ex-secraetary of a local beekeeping Association, but _Join_One_ -- you'll gain lots of friends, ideas and help. You may gain much more. Whether or not you take the above advice, try to find another local beekeeper with whom you can exchange thoughts. Bees are simple creatures, but they can still make us feel pretty silly at times. Someone else with more experience off of whom you can bounce thoughts is a God-send! Happy beekeeping! BTW, if you're nature oriented you'll _love_ it. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:47:47 EDT 1995 Article: 1782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: disease in old hive boxes Date: 13 May 1995 23:27:28 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 36 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <800403363snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk > I had worked my way up to four hives on my small city lot, but this was > too much for my available attention. Through my inattention and > possibly other factors, I lost my last two hives this winter. I miss > the little fellas though, and want to order a package soon. ^^^^^^ Most are _definitely_ girls" Maybe your inattention, maybe just the way things sometimes are. Just make sure it's not inattention next time ;-) > My question: What should be done to treat the old hive boxes before > putting new bees in? I know that one of the hives has had wax moths. Unless you think you have *real* problems, sterilising with 80% glacial acetic acid for a few days should do the job -- it kills most nasties. The general method is to soak paper or card pads with the stuff and leave one between each hive box in a stack. After a few days, remove the pads and ventilate the stack a while. WARNING -- 80% glacial acetic acid is pretty agressive. Handle with care and _don't_ go sniffing the stuff! It corrodes most metals quite quickly, you may need new runners if you do it often -- and every year on 'spare' (whatever that is :-) equipment is recommended here! If you think you may have had AFB (or maybe EFB), scorch everything with a torch. (Er, not the wax -- it bursts into flames -- melt and reuse that) Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From adick@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Sun May 14 13:47:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!adick From: adick@freenet.calgary.ab.ca (Allen Dick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA ala natural Date: 14 May 1995 16:03:54 GMT Organization: Calgary Freenet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3p59la$1h9g@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <950510065336257@beenet.com> <3p1r4f$9as@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca On the matter of dusting with icing sugar: We are warned when using it with TM for AFB control not to get it into open brood beacause of its dehydrating effect, it is allegedly lethal to larvae. I imagine there is some amount which could be tolerated. Someone should do an experiment to see if and how much icing sugar it takes to kill open brood and if the dusting being considered is a problem. A beekeeper here used to administer TM/icing sugar mix with an old Cynogas dust gun in the entrance. I tried it and used that method for a while. Don't recall any particular brood mortality, but then I wasn't watching closely, and a lot of mortality can go unnoticed. Allen From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:39:31 EDT 1995 Article: 1837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heat Kills Vitamins & Enz Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950519173941333@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Lines: 45 R<>From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) <>An article in "Eating Well" June 1995 titled "The beekeeper's palette" <>there is this fella in France, Grabriel Perronneau, who says that <>"...Many American beekeepers heat their honey after extraction to delay <>the natural crystallization process, which, depending on the honey, <>starts a few weeks to a few years after bottling. Perronneau scorns <>the process because he says it destroys the vitamins and enzymes." R<>Is this true? What vitamins, what enzymes? It's true that much honey is pasteurized, (heated, filtered, and cooled) to give it shelf life in the retail market. As for what is removed or lost from the so called natural honey, much of it is only natural because of the way it is handled by some beekeepers. Most of the so called vitamins and enzymes are added in the beekeeping extracting process when pollen and anything that is not honey is mixed with the honey when the combs are uncapped and extracted. R<>Also the article pointed out that average American and Frenchman eat only <>one pound of honey, while the average German eats FIVE pounds of honey! The German's use to think that honey was essential to human nutrition and most of the honey they consumed that was not purchased through the mail was picked up at the drug store. I am sure it may be different today with modern super markets and mass marketing and I am also sure the old five pound average consumption may be much less. Here in the US we consume more corn sugars in soda pop and manufactured foods then table sugars. The old sugar mills are being closed and new corn product refractories are replacing them. Without US government controls on the amount of raw sugar imported from other countries we would no longer have cane or beet sugar growers, and this may change at any time. If you think one pound of honey that Americans consume in a year is small in comparison to the five pounds consumed in Germany, you should know that in the USA we consume more then one pound of chemical substitutes for sugar per person per year. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. From conner@cs.pdx.edu Thu May 25 23:39:32 EDT 1995 Article: 1838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: conner@cs.pdx.edu (Douglas A Conner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's this bumblebee? Date: 19 May 1995 15:59:42 -0700 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3pj7su$2q2@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> References: <3pdaqs$45a@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.cs.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Brian Neumann writes: >paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) had an inquiry about some different bumblebees: >> >> (near Portland OR) ... >> Their most distinct markings are whitish spots on the thorax and >> a bright reddish brown abdomen. The abdomen color is mostly solid towards the >> front with black and brown stripes at the end, similar to a honeybees yellow >> and black color. On the back of the thorax are a couple of white or >> yellowish white spots. The rest of the bee is dark colored. It is also quite >> fuzzy looking. Their size seemed to vary a lot. The smallest ones were >> slightly larger than a honeybee drone with the largest ones about twice that >> size. When I saw them they were flying in with pollen loads on their legs. >> They seemed fairly gentle. >I have been wondering about these red fuzzy bees! I haven't seen a nest, >but I have notice some larger than honeybees, but not fat as a bombus! >If anyone knows what they are, I am interested. So much, that I searched the >newsgroups to find out!!! >Thanks, >Brian >******************************************************************************* > "Note: All words (except "fire" and "wheel") and all alphanumeric > characters in the preceding are registered trademarks of Microsoft." -Anon. >******************************************************************************* I have a hive of these bees in my attic. I'm located about 20 miles east of Portland Or. I'm going to have them removed next week, so if anyone is interested in seeing the hive prior to its removal, send me mail and we'll make arrangements. Thanks, Doug conner@cs.pdx.edu From betts@orion.etsu.edu Thu May 25 23:39:33 EDT 1995 Article: 1839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!hermes.oc.com!usenet From: Gordon Betts Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Azaleas Date: 19 May 1995 14:57:35 GMT Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX, USA Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3pibkv$avp@hermes.oc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acme.etsu.edu I recently heard that Azaleas are poisonous to bees. True or False? If true, does it kill the ones contacting Azaleas or damage the hive? Gordon From cris@america.com Thu May 25 23:39:34 EDT 1995 Article: 1840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!america.com!usenet From: cris@america.com (Christine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: info lbs vs. pails vs gallon Date: 20 May 1995 02:17:37 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ppp Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I am a little confused. Could someone educate me as to the ratio of lbs vs. pails vs. gallons. Someone ask me about 12 lbs. of honey. When I inquired about the 12 lbs. the producer did not know what I meant. How much does 12 lbs equal to other weight measurements. Also 15 lbs. Thanks! Christine From ewhitevhp@aol.com Thu May 25 23:39:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Azaleas Date: 19 May 1995 15:48:29 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3pismd$of7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3pibkv$avp@hermes.oc.com> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I heard that the *honey* from rhodendrons is poison! Maybe that's what you're talking about. Doesn't hurt the bees. Just the people that eat the honey. This situtation is very, very rare. Elaine From northcj@io.org Thu May 25 23:39:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!interactive.net!winternet.com!pinch.io.org!usenet From: northcj@io.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Euthanasia Date: 20 May 1995 02:14:30 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3pjja6$1bg@pinch.io.org> References: Reply-To: northcj@io.org NNTP-Posting-Host: northcote.net6c.io.org X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 In , Joyce Deming writes: >Can anyone tell me the best way to "dispatch" a hive? We have a hive >that seems to have replaced its queen with a african/hornet cross. These >gals are mean! Normally, we would requeen with a nice, gentle Buckfast >queen, but the thought of digging through the frames to find the old >queen is more than we care to deal with. We popped the lid a few days >ago to check on things, and they haven't settled down yet. We're still >getting kamikaze attack bees taking out after us when we walk outside. >That would be fine if we were at our old bee yard in the boonies, but >the hives are at our house, and we certainly don't want our neighbors or >their kids or animals getting stung. > >We'd like to use something that's not going to contaminate the boxes >or frames for future use. > >Thanks for the help. > >joyce >jdeming@delph.com A couple of ways follows but actually it might be just as easy to dress yourself up well (thick clothes under a beesuit), have someone tape the arm and leg holes to your gloves/boots/veil and go to it. After all you won't have to be careful about damaging the queen, you could shake the frames into something where you can then kill the bees etc. There is a 'bromine' based gas that can be used to kill off a hive but you probably need a permit to buy/use it (and it is nasty stuff to make a mistake with as it will 'freeze' the nerves in your lungs - you suffocate). We used to be able to get it as inspectors but I never personally used it. We sometimes would pour gasoline into the top of a hive to stupefy(?) bees before burning for foulbroud. It would knock down your bees, but would take a while to evaporate (AND DON"T USE A SMOKER ON OR NEAR THE HIVE FOR DAYS!!!) - you could shake the bees into a box and burn them. Your best bet might be to use a CO2 fire extinguisher to knock down the bees (eg freeze them), shake them out of the hive, bag and burn them, and then install a new package. A block of dry ice in an empty super on top would likely have the same effect (If I remember the CO2 will settle into the hive and suffocate them) - never tried the block of dry ice. Good Luck R John Northcote From dicka@cuug.ab.ca Thu May 25 23:39:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!dicka From: dicka@cuug.ab.ca (Allen Dick 546-2588) Subject: Reading BEE-L on WWW and Email Message-ID: Keywords: WWW,Web,BEE-L,logs Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 14:43:49 GMT Lines: 115 Contents: 1.) Web access to BEE-L 2.) Email access to historical BEE-L discussions 3.) How to ensure the logs are not too large to save in future 4.) How to join BEE-L There are now two ways now to read back issues of BEE-L, the beekeeping discussion list. 1. ) BEE-l can presently be read on the Worldwide Web by pointing your brouser at http://www.internode.net:80/~allend/index.html This is a NEW URL. You can also still get there from http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka The National (USA) Honey Board Database is also there to brouse or download. Most logs going back to 1991 are available on my web sites. Some are missing. If you have any old logs on hand that are not there, kindly forward them to me by email. If you have web access, either by PPP and a graphical brouser or by lynx (a UNIX brouser available on many UNIX shell accounts by typing the command 'lynx'), this is the fast, simple way to go. 2.) For those with no web access, logs are also available quite conveniently by email from LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu However they only go back to 1994. Due to the increasing size of recent logs and limited space on the LISTSERV, the older logs have been displaced. To have a BEE-L log emailed to you: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just send a message with no subject (subject lines are ignored) to LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu with the message GET BEE-L LOGMMYY Where MM is the month (ie. 05 for May) and YY is the year (ie. 95 for 1995). Additional logs requested can be added on up to four more lines in your message. Be aware of the spacing of the words (No space in LOG9505, for example). Leave out any other text -- such as .signatures. Additional text - other than lines with additional commands -- will trigger harmless error messages from the LISTSERV. The log will arrive some time later in your mailbox. Warning: logs can be 650 K in size. 3.)Therefore please edit your contributions to BEE-L and leave off long sigs: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please, everyone, when posting to BEE-L, consider the size of your .signature file and limit the amount of previous articles quoted to what is necessary to understand your comments -- Thanks. Please edit out all signatures and unnecessary (irrelevant) parts of the quoted message to reduce the amount of material going into the logs. This will keep the size mangeable. The log for the present month is over 425K now -- and much of this is due to vanity sigs and over-quoting. What uses up space? Entire blank lines use only one byte, so feel free to use lots of blank lines if it makes your message easy to read. For example the previous (empty) line used only one byte! Part lines use one byte for each character visible plus one, so they are not wasteful either. The above partial line is 21 bytes because I did not add any spaces after the '.' '>' alone on a line is only two bytes. However the blank spaces in signatures, used to space things out, count one byte per space, or up to eighty bytes per line. For example: my sig below uses 216 bytes (54 bytes per line times four lines). This is equivalent to one four line paragraph of text. So, please don't quote it when you quote me. I hope this info is useful and encourages more compact logs without discouraging people from posting -- after all the posts are what make this list interesting and useful. 4.) To subscribe to BEE-L, just send an email to LISTSERV@uacsc2.albany.edu with the message: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L My Name Where 'My Name' is your own name. Be prepared to reply to a message which should arrive shortly, and you will then receive postings as fast as they are distributed. Enjoy. Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Futures, Art & Honey:http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka -- W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One Swalwell Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Email: dicka@cuug.ab.ca or allend@internode.net Futures, Art & Honey:http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~dicka From alex@longton.demon.co.uk Thu May 25 23:39:39 EDT 1995 Article: 1844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!longton.demon.co.uk!alex From: "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stings and Blindness Date: 21 May 1995 21:31:37 +0100 Organization: At home in the North Midlands, UK Lines: 18 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the risks are in relation to this please? -- Alex. /* What kind of person uses a language that gives a clean compile on: for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-:P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("|"+(*u/4)%2); */ From cconroy@zippy.mv.com Thu May 25 23:39:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!mv!usenet From: cconroy@zippy.mv.com (Chris Conroy) Subject: Re: Varroa in my hive Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.mv.com Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3761] Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Organization: MV Communications, Inc. X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.5@zippy.mv.com Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 22:11:56 GMT References: <3p8j70$n47@paperboy.ids.net> <173A17809S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Lines: 17 I appreciate the advice. I haven't received my Apistan yet, I was going by what I had read in one of the catalogs I had received. The honey would be for my consumption, so I wouldn't contaminate it with Apistan - believe me. As for treating the hives last fall, I was hoping that varroa wouldn't contaminate my hive. I think we tend to go the easy route all too often and think chemically. I recently heard a speaker at a beekeeping group saying that if companies and beekeepers had spent their energy breeding varroa resistant bees, we wouldn't be as dependent on chemicals. Well, it looks as if my plans didn't work out. I'll let you all know how things proceed. Chris Conroy cconroy@zippy.mv.com From camschel@ix.netcom.com Thu May 25 23:39:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Kills Vitamins & Enzymes in Honey? Date: 20 May 1995 04:47:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3pjs9q$nvp@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tem-ca1-25.ix.netcom.com In <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) writes: > >An article in "Eating Well" June 1995 titled "The beekeeper's palette" >there is this fella in France, Grabriel Perronneau, who says that >"...Many American beekeepers heat their honey after extraction to delay >the natural crystallization process, which, depending on the honey, >starts a few weeks to a few years after bottling. Perronneau scorns >the process because he says it destroys the vitamins and enzymes." > >Is this true? What vitamins, what enzymes? > > >Also the article pointed out that average American and Frenchman eat only >one pound of honey, while the average German eats FIVE pounds of honey! Thanks for the info about French and German honey consumption. I agree, in my own semi-unexperienced 1.5 beekeeping experience, that "HONIG" should not be heated at all. Here in Hemet during the honey flow they weather is hot and the honey is plenty liquified and flows nicely through my nylong paintbag filter. One secretary depends on my honey because she says that local bees foraging for local nectars and pollen produce HONIG which has an anti-allergenic effect. She takes a big dollop of my HONIG every day during the pollen season. The big honey producers combine HONIG from beekeepers from many different areas. From glhat@ihug.co.nz Thu May 25 23:39:42 EDT 1995 Article: 1847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato!news.midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug.co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Kills Vitamins & Enzymes in Honey? Date: 22 May 1995 12:11:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3ppv0v$1qk@newsource.ihug.co.nz> References: <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3pjs9q$nvp@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: glhat.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <3pjs9q$nvp@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel) says: > >In <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita >Pirone Noak) writes: >> >>An article in "Eating Well" June 1995 titled "The beekeeper's palette" >>there is this fella in France, Grabriel Perronneau, who says that >>"...Many American beekeepers heat their honey after extraction to >delay >>the natural crystallization process, which, depending on the honey, >>starts a few weeks to a few years after bottling. Perronneau scorns >>the process because he says it destroys the vitamins and enzymes." >> >>Is this true? What vitamins, what enzymes? >> >> >>Also the article pointed out that average American and Frenchman eat >only >>one pound of honey, while the average German eats FIVE pounds of >honey! > > >Thanks for the info about French and German honey consumption. I agree, >in my own semi-unexperienced 1.5 beekeeping experience, that "HONIG" >should not be heated at all. Here in Hemet during the honey flow they >weather is hot and the honey is plenty liquified and flows nicely >through my nylong paintbag filter. One secretary depends on my honey >because she says that local bees foraging for local nectars and pollen >produce HONIG which has an anti-allergenic effect. She takes a big >dollop of my HONIG every day during the pollen season. The big honey >producers combine HONIG from beekeepers from many different areas. > Commercial apiarists here in New Zealand heat honey too.In some cases water is added to take it up to the maximum permissable water content There are two schools of thought about the harm it does to the honey. You could obtain an unbiased comment from the International Bee Research Assn. U.K. From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Thu May 25 23:39:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Verroa and vestigial wings on workers Date: 22 May 1995 19:31:38 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 22 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <867573326wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk During a conversation with a fellow beekeeper at the weekend the subject of the incidence of verroa and vestigial wings on workers came up. This person reckoned that 20% of the workers in some hives are affected. I checked one of my hives in the garden and only found one or two verroa but several dozen young workers with vestigial wings. There were no drones present at any stage. Some years ago I came across drones with a similar problem and it was put down to a genetic defect. My colleague says that it is caused by a virus carried by verroa mites. Is this new problem the old one re-defined? How wide spread is it? What can be done to cure, control or kill it? Comments please... Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 25 23:39:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA ala natural Date: 22 May 1995 22:15:29 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 61 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <800991616snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <950510065336257@beenet.com> <3p1r4f$9as@netnews.upenn.edu> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article <3p1r4f$9as@netnews.upenn.edu> djt@dolphin.upenn.edu "David J Trickett" writes: > : originally in conference IN-BEE-LIST on (Wild Bee's BBS) > : ---------------------------------------- > : From: Gordon@MULTITONE.CO.UK > : Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 13:41:58 +0000 > : Subject: Re: VARROA > > : 3) 'Soft' Chemicals. > > : Our Association here (Basingstoke UK) have also been > : experimenting with icing sugar or french chalk dusted onto the > : bees & combs. The function of these is supposed to be purely > : mechanical -- it gets onto the sticky pads on the feet of the > : mites, they lose their grip and slip off.... > > How much powder do you need, and how evenly does it need to be distributed? We treat them by dusting both sides of each frame, trying to coat the bees and trying not to dust the brood. We just dust whichever powder >from a shaker for a few seconds per frame side. Mechanical knock-down seems to take about an hour. We place a tray under the brood nest on which to catch the mites as they fall and then remove the tray after the hour and deal with the still live mites as we see fit. I doubt that putting the dust along the top bars would work, I think we need to get quite a lot distributed quickly and evenly. It's quite possible that some form of dust sprayer might work We tend here just to dust the brood nest because we wish to avoid as best we can, getting any contaminants in the honey. I don't mind getting icing sugar in there, but I don't like the idea of talc -- I believe the stuff's safe enough (although breathing _any_ dust is not a 100% good idea), but it isn't what I want in my end product. BTW, talc *seems* to work better against the mites that icing sugar. > I am trying a variety of approaches this year and plan to analyze the > results using contingency tables. I'll certainly publish the results, if > they are worthy of dissemination. > > Dave > If you can get enough real information I'm sure many will be interested. One problem many of us have is that, often at best, our results are subjective. By that I mean, I might get a good knock-down because the treatment's good, or because the colony is heavily infested (maybe because the previous treatment was _not_ good). Unless in a position to measure this pretty accurately, things have to remain subjective. Daily natural mortality can be a useful guide to infestation level, but its accuracy is fairly poor. The arival of infested bees from absconding colonies can "blow all the sums right out of the water". -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu May 25 23:39:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: disease in old hive boxes Date: 22 May 1995 22:15:30 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 34 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <800992551snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <800403363snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article <800403363snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk "Gordon Scott" writes: > If you think you may have had AFB (or maybe EFB), scorch everything with > a torch. (Er, not the wax -- it bursts into flames -- melt and reuse > that) Hm, errata? -- If I had AFB, personally I _would_ burn the wax by choice, but on a bonfire of course, not with the torch. For us in the UK that's a choice we don't get anyway -- destruction by fire is mandatory here. I just remembered. One recommendation here is to sterilise equipment "by immersing them for ten minutes in paraffin wax heated to 150C" That gives an idea just how robust AFB spores are doesn't it? I'm pretty sure that method is a little cautious -- but not much -- boiling in water is definitely insufficient! A steam autoclave should work if the temperature is high enough. Irradiation is OK for AFB, there is some doubt for EFB though. There are irradiation plants around in Europe and I presume in many other areas too. These methods are probably not for the hobbyist beekeeper unless you contact a professional or form a cooperative group. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl Thu May 25 23:39:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!esa.nl!usenet From: krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl (Knut Rygh) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee hive sound profile Date: 23 May 1995 13:33:16 GMT Organization: European Space Agency Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3pso6s$hs2@info.estec.esa.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: colpc056.estec.esa.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 I am seeking information on the sound profile produced by the bees in the hive. Specifically looking for publications, research papers or experiences in measuring the sound profile in the hive with the purpose to read the status of the hive / bee society. Any information, advice and support on the above would be highly appreciated. Knut Rygh, Van Polanen Park 149, 2241 SJ, Wassenaar, The Netherlands. krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl ----------------------------------------------------- “If you have tried to do something and failed, you are vastly better off than if you have tried to do nothing and succeeded”. ----------------------------------------------------- From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu May 25 23:39:47 EDT 1995 Article: 1852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: info lbs vs. pails vs gallon Date: Mon, 22 May 95 08:13:34 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <173A673B4S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com> cris@america.com (Christine) writes: > >I am a little confused. Could someone educate me as to the ratio of >lbs vs. pails vs. gallons. > > >Christine > Actually, this is a hard one to answer because there is so much variation in pail size and gallons (are we talking big pail or little pail, U.S. or Imperial gallons?). A U.S. gallon weighs 12 U.S. pounds - one quart weight 3 pounds. Other weights and sizes are foreign to me. Aaron Morris From 73203.610@CompuServe.COM Thu May 25 23:39:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Patrick M. O'Hearn <73203.610@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenright? Date: 22 May 1995 15:34:27 GMT Organization: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3pqau3$mt$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Hello All, Yesterday I opened up a hive. There were lots of bees busily working, tons of honey, but no brood, no eggs. I found the remains of several supersedure cells but absolutely no brood...nada, zip, zero. The hive didt act like it had lost its queen though, it was active, not really agressive, didnt have that listless feel to it. On the odds that it was in fact without a queen, I rebuilt the hive as follows: (from the ground up) Old brood chamber 1, Old brood chamber 2, double screen board (aka Snellgrove board) with opening to back of hive, new brood chamber with 3 week old swarm and strong queen, queen excluder, newspaper, honey supers with most of the old bees shaken out. My thoughts were to wait a week and see if the lower hive had a new queen that just hadnt started laying yet before I combined the two hives. All this leads to three questions: 1. What are the odds that a hive totally bereft of brood has a sucessful supersedure queen that just hasnt started laying yet? And, how long should I give her to show signs of laying. 2. If the old colony is in fact queenless (as I suspect), will the strong queen above the screenboard give off enough “queen substance” to suppress any laying workers (which I dont have now) until I unite the hives. 3. Am I overthinking this and should I just combine the two without all this fiddling around. Thanks for any input in this matter Patrick O'Hearn, Aztec NM -- Patrick M. O'Hearn, 73203.610@compuserve.com Bears Choice Apiary "sometimes you get shown the light in the Aztec, New Mexico strangest of places, if you look at it right" R. Hunter From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:39:49 EDT 1995 Article: 1854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Stings and Blindness Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 05:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950522075518343@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Lines: 52 <>From: "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" <>I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions <>become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to <>another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into <>the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. <>If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the <>risks are in relation to this please? Hello Alex, It may be true only because I have never heard of anyone being stung directly on the eye and living to tell the story. But I can tell you for sure that if that is true it is the only place on your body or in it, that one well placed bee sting will kill you if you are not super sensitive to honey bee stings. Speaking >from experience of course. What to do if a live honey bee gets in your ear?.. This is not an everyday occurrence but it does happen once in a lifetime. Maybe less today, but in yester year when bee hives were loaded by hand at night they would at times become very crawly and would crawl up and in time find a way in and sock it too you. If you are lucky enough to have one crawl into your ear your will find that she will not want to back out, and will drive you nuts with her buzzing, you knowing all the time this is your last hour on earth when she give you that death sting to your brain. It may be true that beekeeper's don't use shot gun's in suicide attempts because the target is so small, but one small bee seems to know the range. But not all is lost if you have any kind of oil, including motor oil, and can get a few drops into your ear canal and on the bee she will back out. Now I am not saying this is the best or approved method or will work all the time, but I have seen it work twice, one time the oil was a little warm on the beekeepers ear. But both times the little old dirty bee was removed without stinging. A dirty ear full for sure, but no sting. The oil used in both these cases was dirty motor oil dripped off the dip stick fresh from the truck. It would be preferable to have some light mineral oil in the yard truck First Aid kit, but sometime's one is not prepared for the adventure's of the night. ttul Andy- (c)Wild Bee's BBS Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion's are not necessarily facts. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:39:50 EDT 1995 Article: 1855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: info lbs vs. pails vs ga Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 05:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <950522075518344@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com> Lines: 19 C<>From: cris@america.com (Christine) <>I am a little confused. Could someone educate me as to the ratio of <>lbs vs. pails vs. gallons. Someone ask me about 12 lbs. of honey. C<>When I inquired about the 12 lbs. the producer did not know what I <>meant. How much does 12 lbs equal to other weight measurements. Also <>15 lbs. Thanks! C<>Christine Beekeepers Measurements (California, Left Coast of USA) A CAN 60 lbs- 5 gallons (poor years production) A CASE 2-5 gallon cans in a wooden box (average crop) A DRUM 55 gallons or 660 lbs, 11 can's, (one whale of a crop) I will let the other do the honor's for the smaller sizes to even mention them at this stage of the season could be bad luck. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu May 25 23:39:51 EDT 1995 Article: 1856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Kills Vitamins & Enz Date: Mon, 22 May 95 07:47:20 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <173A66D8BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <950519173941333@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <950519173941333@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >> >> >>R<>From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) >> >> <>An article in "Eating Well" June 1995 titled "The beekeeper's palette" >> <>there is this fella in France, Grabriel Perronneau, who says that >> <>"...Many American beekeepers heat their honey after extraction to delay >> <>the natural crystallization process, which, depending on the honey, >> <>starts a few weeks to a few years after bottling. Perronneau scorns >> <>the process because he says it destroys the vitamins and enzymes." >> >>R<>Is this true? What vitamins, what enzymes? >> >It's true that much honey is pasteurized, (heated, filtered, and cooled) >to give it shelf life in the retail market. As for what is removed or >lost from the so called natural honey, much of it is only natural >because of the way it is handled by some beekeepers. Most of the so >called vitamins and enzymes are added in the beekeeping extracting >process when pollen and anything that is not honey is mixed with the >honey when the combs are uncapped and extracted. > Adding a little, most commercial honey packers heat honey to make it less viscous and flow better through pipes and tubes. It is filtered to remove 'foreign' particles (pollen, dirt, bee parts) and is then blended with various brands of honey (honey from different floral sources) to give a consistent product. There ARE enzymes in honey that are destroyed if the honey is heated above 113 degrees F, and there are viatmins and proteins in pollen that is removed in the filtering process. So the answer to the original question is Yes, enzymes and vitamins which are in "natural" honey are destroyed and removed from commercial honey. The specific enzymes and vitamins are not carried around in this poster's brain, but a good source for that information would be _The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee_ from Dadant press ('92 edition, don't know what chapter or page). Aaron Morris From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Thu May 25 23:39:55 EDT 1995 Article: 1857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: 22 May 1995 17:27:46 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3pqhii$3du@uudell.us.dell.com> References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> <950522075518343@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Alex, I have a friend who experienced a sting to the eye when one of her bees got under her veil. She experienced temporary blindness in that eye, which then spread to the other eye (I think this is called a sympathetic reaction). She was affected for a few days, but suffered no permanent damage. However, I would think that permanent blindness would indeed be possible for some people, depending on their indivdual reaction to the sting. I'm no expert, just guessing. At any rate, I have always used a veil when working my bees, but at the above example shows, even a veil isn't always 100% effective. To me, it isn't worth the risk to work without the veil. Mark From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 25 23:39:56 EDT 1995 Article: 1858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in my hive Date: 22 May 1995 23:30:35 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 25 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3prksr$ip4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <173A17809S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Aaron Morris says: The time to put the Apistan strips in your hive was last fall at the end of the season. The time to take them out would have been around January. The time to add honey supers is now. Following sound beekeeping practices and the manufacturer's instructions allows plenty of time to avoid the concern that Apistan strips in a hive at the same time there are honey supers on the hive WILL PRODUCE CONTAMINATED HONEY! I'm not sure if pesticide laws pertain to Apistan (any opinions from the Pollinator?), but I suspect that lawyer types would be willing to litigate that use of Apistan strips contrary to label instructions constitutes an unlawful act. Right on Aaron We can hardly expect other pesticide users to obey the label directions pertaining to foraging bees, if we don't follow directions on the pesticides we use. Yes, it is the law to follow directions. Exactly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Thu May 25 23:39:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with Chalkbrood Date: 22 May 1995 17:32:26 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3pqhra$3du@uudell.us.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Does anyone have suggestions on treating chalkbrood? My books suggest moving the hive to a sunny location (it is in such a location), and if the problem is severe, requeen. Are there any other ways to treat this problem? I have kept bees as a hobby for 5 years now, and have been afflicted this year with Chalkbrood and Varroa for the first time. Thanks in advance for any advice. Mark From pollinator@aol.com Thu May 25 23:39:58 EDT 1995 Article: 1860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: 22 May 1995 23:34:07 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 35 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3prl3f$ire@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> >I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the risks are in relation to this please? I would suppose this would depend on the individual reaction. If there is enough reaction, scarring of the cornea could occur. I do not wear a veil, if I move bees at night, because crawling bees are easier to get at without the veil, and they are not supposed to fly. However one didn't read the book and hit me tail first in the eyeball. I had a difficult time getting out the stinger, and I suppose I mashed most of the venom out of the poison sac in the process. It gave me a whopper of a headache, and I took some Tylenol and stretched out on the truck seat for an hour. Then I was okay. Of course I get stung a lot. (We opened one hive today that was a fireball! The rest were just beautiful. You work thirty hives with no stings, the thirty first stings you thirty times. I had a new helper being broken in, and I thought I might lose him on the first day.) There were no further reactions. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Thu May 25 23:39:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: azaleas Date: 23 May 1995 02:09:26 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3prg4m$q7o@hubcap.clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 If memory serves, azaleas (and rhododendrons) have andromedotoxins in their nectar. Neurotoxins, make you numb, suppress respiration. Not too toxic but not good for you either. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Go to college. Get a little knowledge. Live dangerously. Regards, C From CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU Thu May 25 23:40:00 EDT 1995 Article: 1862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!usenet From: CLAY@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU (CAMILLIUS LAY 19870601) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive euthanasia - "bromine stuff" Date: 23 May 1995 02:13:52 GMT Organization: CLEMSON UNIVERSITY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3prgd0$q7o@hubcap.clemson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.clemson.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 The bromine stuff is methyl bromide gas, a very dangerous fumigant. Not the kind of thing the average person should mess with, and a restricted use pesticide here in the US. That means yes, you need a license toget it. Of course, most private applicator licensing programs are so lightweight that your bees could probably qualify. Also, MeBr is being phased out for environmental reasons. Agree, disagree, or don't care: we're gonna lose it. Regards, C From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:01 EDT 1995 Article: 1863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: teaching kids about bees Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <950522211043347@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3op8qb$6v2@news.usit.net> Lines: 15 S<>From: secure1@use.usit.net () <>I am an instructor at a local childrens' museum. I do programs at area <>schools on astonomy using a piece of equipment called Starlab. I am <>working on a program using the Starlab dome to represent a skep type <>hive and putting the kids " inside " of a bee hive. What do you <>think of my idea? I think it great, I would also have a bee smoker puffing a few clouds of smoke into the room to give it some real atmosphere, but knowing you won't be doing that because of the equipment you could spray the room with essence of apple, citrus, or rose, to give the same effect. Send me a ticket. ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:02 EDT 1995 Article: 1864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paraffin wax dipping Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:33:00 GMT Message-ID: <950522183851346@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 79 *Paraffin Wax for wooden bee goods* From: Jean-Marie Van Dyck Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:00:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Paraffin wax dipping On Fri, 19 May 1995 22:49:39 +1030 Jean-Pierre Chapleau wrote: PARAFFIN DIPPERS > For now I use a 45 gallon barrel as a dipper. It is not convenient. > It holds only one super at a time. I plan to build a real wax dipper. > I have on hand two papers with plans of two different dippers: one by > Murray Reid and Andrew Matheson and the other one by Andrew Matheson > (do you hear me Andrew?). I think the most recent plan is dated 1986. > Does anyone know of improvements since then? Why reinvent what has > been invented? ;) OK! but your dipper dimensions must be in agreement with your hives and nucs formats and dimensions. The barrel in not the most convenient because it's not a square one and your supers are.:-) I know 2 paraffin wax dippers in my area. They are cubic dippers largely adapted for a Dadant 12 frames brood chamber (about 60x60 cm for the one, about 64x64 cm for the second which is used for dipping the four nucs super with half Dadant frames according the brother Adam breeding method). You could also put 2 Dadant honey supers. The particularity is that it is possible to block a small iron cube! (it's not cubic but higher than wide) on the middel of the dipper to avoid a too important wax quantity to heat when you only dip brood chambers and supers. For bottoms and tops, the small cube is removed. There are 4 iron legs (8 cm square) and wheels to move it (wheight). There is also a tap(1" faucet) to remove the paraffim wax, in any case. But seems there is never used. The cover is also use as a drainer when the dip stuffs are removed from the bath. MICROWAX??? > Jean-Marie, you refer to MICROWAX. What is it. Is this just a brand > name or is it a special kind of paraffin. Personnally I have been using > what is sold in Canada as grade 2 paraffin. Microwax is the term used by our suppliers (seems for microcristalline wax?) but there are some qualities and forms: Qualities : The melting point may vary from 60 dC to 85-90 dC and the price! Forms : You can get it in blocks (5-10 kg : 30 kg/box) or in pearl (25 kg bags) Suppliers : Ask to the Oil refiners : they don't sell the wax in small quantities but give you the technical indications and the suppliers. Look for the candels suppliers : this wax is used to the external part of the candels. PRICE OF PARAFFIN > Here I paid the equivalent of 1.89$ US for my paraffin (500 kilos). > I had a hard time to find a supplier. It would be nice to hear from > other as far as price and suppliers. I got mine from a big hardware > company (Rona) but I am sure there must be other suppliers. prices of microwax in Belgium (April 95) (1 US$ = about 30 BEF =Belgian Franc) quantity +-300 kg Quality HMP (mp 85 dC)(we use this !!) box of 25kg BEF 92/kg (+20.5% VAT) " H330 (mp 75 C) id BEF 66/kg " " LMP (mp 65 C) id BEF 76/kg " The Pearl forms is a bit more expensive ! We are using the High Melting Point one because it seems to have a better comportment in the sun (don't flow as early?) and this seems not so fat when you take it in hands. We plan to do experiments with adding about 1% copper naphthenate in the dip solution. I'll tell you ... Cheers Jean-Marie From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Thu May 25 23:40:03 EDT 1995 Article: 1865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip1-37.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First Swarm Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:57:16 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip1-37.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Just a story to tell. I collected my first swarm this year on May 12th. I was scouting for turkeys when I came upon what must have been the prime swarm the week before. The 12th I came back to the wild hive site to find that another swarm had issued. I had to cut down two small trees to get them, but I did it! The first tree came down too hard, and the bees lighted up in another tree. The second tree was much smaller, so I was able to control the fall, and bring the bees down gently. I let them rest and tighten up until coming back after an hour when it was dark. My hunting partner reluctantly agreed to help me get them into a pillowcase. He thought this was the craziest thing he ever did, but figured if I didn't kill him with the mushrooms (morels) I cooked the week before, he could trust what I was saying about the bees. I gave the bees to a nun that had lost hers from Varroa. I'll be able to use her extractor in exchange. Hopefully this will be the first swarm of many for me to catch in my life. Dave From ssilva@fc.hp.com Thu May 25 23:40:04 EDT 1995 Article: 1866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!ssilva From: ssilva@fc.hp.com (Steve Silva) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood Boxes and Supers FS in Northern CO Date: 22 May 1995 20:27:57 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3pqs4d$5ek@tadpole.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: theopera.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.2] From snevel@crl.com Thu May 25 23:40:06 EDT 1995 Article: 1867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl8.crl.com!not-for-mail From: snevel@crl.com (Simeon Nevel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What exactly IS honey? Date: 23 May 1995 19:40:53 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3pu6bl$8cd@crl8.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] This may sound like the ULTIMATE of FAQs, but I really did chase down the beekeeping FAQ..... My subject says it all.. Just what exactly is honey? Is it some product excreted by the bees or something the bees collect? Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Simeon -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* PGP Key-id x'C9EFCB75' Print: F52E9C76B162CCB262A39F8A87B040C0 >SIG-ONLY< x'048D45C5' 303AA2AA875C2556AD5A24669C817541 >>SECURE<< Finger me at for PGP key(s) From healer@duncan.island.net Thu May 25 23:40:07 EDT 1995 Article: 1868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!news.island.net!news.duncan.island.net!usenet From: healer@duncan.island.net (Ronald Healy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: 23 May 1995 05:15:07 GMT Organization: Island Internet Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3prr0r$fnc@duncan.island.net> References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip19.duncan.island.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk>, "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" says: > >I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions >become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to >another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into >the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. >If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the >risks are in relation to this please? This is a good question, so I thought I would answer back to the newsgroup instead of by e-mail. I am a physician and have treated many stings, >from both honeybees and wasps, but I have never treated any kind of sting directly to the eye itself. If anyone out there has, I would be interested in your experiences. I think that a sting to the eyeball could be quite serious, but would probably depend on which part of the eye was penetrated, and the extent to which the person reacted. The conjunctiva is the clear membrane over the white part of the eye, and a sting there would probably only result in some pretty impressive swelling, but likely no permanent damage. A sting to the cornea, the clear part covering the pupil and iris, however could result in scarring, which could certainly impair the person's vision if it was in the line of sight. If the sting resulted in venom being injected into the area behind the cornea, which contains a clear fluid, then I believe permanent blindness could occur. Any sort of resulting reaction would result in a cloudiness to the fluid, which could be permanent. I would say that a sting to the eye *could* result in blindness, but not necessarily. Do I wear my veil? You bet I do. I always get a very large local reaction with each sting, and it isn't pleasant when it is on my face. Take care Ron. From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Thu May 25 23:40:08 EDT 1995 Article: 1869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Swarm Date: 24 May 1995 13:59:03 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3pve37$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) One of my most interesting experiences was being in my bee yard when a swarm landed on the tree line behind my hives. I don't believe it issued from one of my hives, because there was only normal activity at the entrances. In any case, I can't think of an easier way to catch swarms than to have them come to you! Now if I can only figure out a way to train them to do so more often! This brings a question to mind; has anyone had good results with swarm traps or bait hives? Mark From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:09 EDT 1995 Article: 1870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new ascii bee Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 01:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <950521205138339@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 48 From: tlhesman@artsci.wustl.edu (Tina Louise Hesman) Here's one that I whipped up when I was...uhhh...thinking up some ideas for a paper due the next day... 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From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <950523171552357@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3prl3f$ire@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Lines: 17 P<> (We opened one hive today that was a fireball! The rest were just <>beautiful. You work thirty hives with no stings, the thirty first stings <>you thirty times. I had a new helper being broken in, and I thought I <>might lose him on the first day.) Hello Mr. Pollinator, If you can keep from smiling when they run you should do all right with that new help. I once had one that wanted to work real bad and in time was a good helper. A week or so after he started I got a call from my insurance agent, and it seemed the first time he got stung he got frightened and went to a doctor because he did swell a little and of course I got the bill or my workman's comp got the bill. ttul Andy- From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:11 EDT 1995 Article: 1872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Verroa and vestigial wing Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:53:00 GMT Message-ID: <950523171552358@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <867573326wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> Lines: 12 <>My colleague says that it is caused by a virus carried by verroa <>mites. Yes, it is a virus, and a bad one at that. And yes that virus can be found in the blood of varroa, but since varroa feed on bee's and in the US most all bee's have the virus it is really a stretch to say the virus is carried by the varroa. Bee's have had the symptoms of this virus for as long as I can remember before they had any varroa. ttul Andy- From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu May 25 23:40:12 EDT 1995 Article: 1873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination (fwd from bee-l) Date: 24 May 1995 22:59:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3q0dpa$f05@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:29:21 EDT Subject: Pollination Hello All, I would like to call to everyone s attention a short article in the May 23 Wall Street Journal (page B1) The headline is The Buzz on California s Weather:So Bad Even the Bees Have Been Idle Some of the quotes of interest are The rain, wind and cold pounded budding crops in the states prime growing areas. But even more hurtful, say agricultural experts, were the storms impact on the states 500,000 commercial beehives. ... Some 50 California crops, from almonds to pumpkins, rely on bees....No bees-no fruits and nuts, says Mr. Mussen (Eric Mussen, UC Davis). Now, we get to the good part..... according to Blue Diamond Growers..., the state produced about 730 million pounds of the nuts (almonds), which sold wholesale at $1.70 a pound. This year, William Wright, Blue Diamond s director of North American sales, predicts the crop will drop to 430 million pounds and the wholesale price will shoot up to $2.50 a pound. ... Same with Californias cherry production, which will drop to about 550,000 boxes from 3.8 million boxes last year. The bees would have done their work if the weather cooperated, says James Culbertson, manager of the California Cherry Advisory Board. Well, I did the math on the California Almond crop alone. In 1994 USING THE ABOVE FIGURES the crop was worth 1.241 billion dollars wholesale. This year will be 166 million dollars less. Fewer almonds, much higher prices to consumers. This is a good concrete example of the value of pollination to the US economy and I intend furnish the article to my senators and congressmen so that they will hopefully keep it in the back of their (tiny) minds when considering funding, or lack thereof, for our Bee Labs. Patrick M O'Hearn 73203.610@COMPUSERVE.COM -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From meaderyman@delphi.com Thu May 25 23:40:13 EDT 1995 Article: 1874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Suit Needed Date: Wed, 24 May 95 20:17:34 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3p9be6$rmt@paperboy.ids.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com X-To: "johnwater@IDS.NET" "johnwater@IDS.NET" writes: >I need to replace a 1 piece pull over (not a button down) suit with >canvas hat, & veil all attached like Dadant used to sell but seems to >have discontinued. Any ideas? Sources? Help much appreciated!! These pullovers are available from the Betterbee Beekeeping Supply Catalogue - see ad in may Gleanings in Bee Culture Calll 1-800- 632- 3379 for a catalogu I just moved 250 hives of bees using one - they are great for getting on and offquickly. Betterbee has sold them for 15 years. From ManChem@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net Thu May 25 23:40:14 EDT 1995 Article: 1875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!usenet From: ManChem@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (ManChem) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mutations in my hive... Date: 24 May 1995 04:49:38 GMT Organization: American Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip38-93.il.us.ibm.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 I just destroyed a queen in one of my hives that seems to have been a rather bizarre mutation. In early March I split some hives to increase my number of colonies and reduce swarming. I live here in the New Orleans area and the weather is warm enough so we have early flowering to help these hives increase rapidly (and, I feed lots of sugar solution.) Anyway, one of my hives produced a mutant queen who DID NOT have very desirable characteristics. First she was pure beige in color. NO stripes and most of her offspring were either lacking stripes or the stripes were very faint. About half the drones had a large bright spot in the middle of each of their eyes (I have not idea if this affected their vision but I think it would since it looked like they were missing some of the eye rather than simply being colored white.) On top of all this, the workers in the brood area distributed honey and pollen in a haphazard patter with the queen laying eggs randomly throughout the area. Lastly, I do not think this colony would have produced a lot of noney since all my other splits have quite a bit of freshly drawn comb andhoney in the supers while this colony had very little. I am posting this since it is a curious experience and wonder if anyone else has seen anthing like this. I have a background in biology and some genetics so this rather dramatic mutation (with apparently more than one characteristic changing) is very unusual. Both physical and behavioral characteristics changed in just one generation. (NOTE: With all the deficiencies in this colony I doubt they would have survived but I chose to get rid of the queen before too many Drones would spread the deficient gene (or genes) in any other colonies. Any comments? From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu May 25 23:40:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What exactly IS honey? Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:47:00 GMT Message-ID: <950524171643364@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world References: <3pu6bl$8cd@crl8.crl.com> Lines: 40 S<>My subject says it all.. Just what exactly is honey? S<>Is it some product excreted by the bees or something the bees collect? Hello Simeon, Honey is made by the bee's from nectar collected by them from the flowers. The nectar is high in moisture when first collected and the bee's reduce the nectar to Honey by evaporating the moisture. The bee's bring the nectar to the hive in their honey bucket, and some enzymes are naturally added to it. The different flavor's of honey come from the different flowers the bee's collect the nectar from. Orange Honey has the flavor and aroma of the orange blossoms and is clear in color. Sweet Clover Honey is also clear in color and has it's own flavor and aroma, sometimes the flavor is almost cinnamon like. Wild Buckwheat honey is light amber in color, and has a light musky aroma and a waxy flavor of old fashioned Comb Honey. The color, aroma, and flavor of Honey varies from area to area and most people develop a life long taste for the Honey they ate as children. Most honey that is purchased at retail is a blend of several mild flavored Honey's and for the real old fashioned honey you have to find a beekeeper who will sell it fresh from the bee farm. All the beekeeper does to get the honey is remove it from the bee's, leaving the bee's at the hive to make more honey. The honey comb is sealed with a thin wax capping, the beekeeper removes this and extracts the honey in a tank that spins the combs around speeding up the draining process with out braking the honey comb that can be re-filled by the bee's to store more honey in. He then may strain out any wax and let the honey settle in a tank from which he will jar or can up the honey. Some beekeepers heat the honey a little to speed up the process and if the beekeeper is careful and uses a minimum of heat the honey will be clean, clear, and a excellent addition to bread and food's of all sorts. ttul Andy- From rshough@tasc.com Thu May 25 23:40:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Kills Vitamins & Enzymes in Honey? Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:09:38 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <3ph297$ciu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) wrote: >An article in "Eating Well" June 1995 titled "The beekeeper's palette" >there is this fella in France, Grabriel Perronneau, who says that >"...Many American beekeepers heat their honey after extraction to delay >the natural crystallization process, which, depending on the honey, >starts a few weeks to a few years after bottling. Perronneau scorns >the process because he says it destroys the vitamins and enzymes." > >Is this true? What vitamins, what enzymes? Rita - Yes, there are many vitamins and enzymes in honey, mostly only in trace amounts, however. I don't have the detailed info on hand. Part of the problem is that they vary depending upon the nectar source that produced the honey. Yes, *EXCESSIVE* heat will destroy them, but it is not a black/white situation - it is a progressive sort of thing, the longer the exposure, and the higher the heat, the more things get clobbered. So, you can actually "spike" honey to a surprisingly high heat, as long as you cool it off very quickly (this "flash" process requires fancy equipment and is generally beyond the capability of smaller operations). You can safely heat honey some without causing any noticable degredation (the purists will say that *any* heat damages the honey.... I agree, but the amount of damage may be so subtle that you can only detect it with advanced scientific instruments... for my purposes, I call that level of degredation "none") There are two primary reasons for heating the honey (that I'm aware of) - Warm honey is less viscous, so it is easier to filter and bottle. The air bubbles will also settle out more quickly. You don't really need very much heat to do this. The other reason, as you mentioned, is to delay crystalization. This requires more heat, and I generally don't do it, except when I am making "creamed honey" (I heat the liquid honey prior to introducing my seed - this is to eliminate any crystals in the liquid honey, so that only the crystals from the seed are present to start the creaming process). Hope this is helpful info for you..... Sincerely, Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com a hobby beekeeper from NE Massachusetts (19 hives at the moment) **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. From rshough@tasc.com Thu May 25 23:40:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: info lbs vs. pails vs gallon Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:00:05 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <3pjjg1$1kg@enterprise.america.com>, cris@america.com (Christine) wrote: >I am a little confused. Could someone educate me as to the ratio of >lbs vs. pails vs. gallons. Someone ask me about 12 lbs. of honey. > >When I inquired about the 12 lbs. the producer did not know what I >meant. How much does 12 lbs equal to other weight measurements. Also >15 lbs. Thanks! > >Christine Sorry if this has already been answered - my news reader seems to be a bit behind the times. I'm not absolutely sure on this, but my memory is that a 5 gallon pail is 60 lbs, so that would mean that 12 lbs. is one gallon. (I'm talking US measures, by the way!) That would also make 15 lbs. equal to 1.25 gallons ( 5 quarts ). Rick Hough, a hobby beekeeper from NE Massachusetts. rshough@tasc.com From ajdel@interramp.com Thu May 25 23:40:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip227.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What exactly IS honey? Date: 25 May 1995 12:03:38 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3q1rmq$6uh@usenet.interramp.com> References: <3pu6bl$8cd@crl8.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip227.herndon2.va.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:11:18 GMT In article <3pveqv$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com> Mark Dillow, Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com writes: >I know that there are more learned folks than myself out there >that may be able to elaborate, but basically honey is that >substance that bees create from the nectar (normally) of >flowering plants. That's 95% of the story. The plant nectar is essentially a dilute soultion of sucrose in water, sucrose being the familiar cane or beet sugar which is a disaccharide i.e. each sucrose molecule consists of a glucose (dextrose, corn sugar) molecule linked to a fructose (fruit sugar) molecule. Glucose and fructose are monosaccharides i.e. they contain a single hydrocarbon ring each. The "processing" done by the bees has 2 parts: inversion and concentration. Inversion is breaking apart of the bond that joins the glucose to the fructose. This is accelerated by an enzyme (invertase) which is present in the bee's saliva. Concentration is accomplished by moving air over the cells in which the nectar is stored. This causes much of the water to evaporate. Without checking in a book I think the final water content is about 18%. Thus honey is a concetrated soultion of invert sugar i.e. a solution of fructose and glucose. There are, of course, small amounts of lots of other substances which give the honey its distinctive flavor, color and aroma. AJ ajdel@interramp.com From cid@magi.com Thu May 25 23:40:18 EDT 1995 Article: 1880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!hookup!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!news!news From: Christine Roedding Subject: WANTED MINATURE HEDGEHOGS (BREEDING STOCK) Sender: news@magi.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:14:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: magi2p09.magi.com Organization: Magi Data Consulting Lines: 10 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:3045 alt.agriculture.fruit:373 sci.agriculture:4883 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1880 We are looking to purchase one to two pairs of Hedge Hogs for breeding purposes. If any one has any information in regards to the above, please contact the writer forthwith. Thanking you in advance, K. Richard McIntyre Bus: (519) 284-0716 Email: glocap@magi.com From ricks@mathworks.com Thu May 25 23:40:21 EDT 1995 Article: 1881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!NewsWatcher!user From: ricks@mathworks.com (Rick Spada) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Swarm Date: 24 May 1995 23:35:39 GMT Organization: The MathWorks, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3pve37$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rspada.mathworks.com In article <3pve37$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com>, Mark Dillow wrote: > This brings a question to mind; has anyone had good results > with swarm traps or bait hives? I can't speak from experience, but recently at the Norfolk County Beekeepers Association in Massachusetts, we had a guest speaker from Springfield, MA who did use traps and bait hives with very good success. What he did was to place pheremone traps and a baited hive in a bush (honeysuckle I believe) in his apiary. Nine out of ten times, the bees would swarm to the bait hive, or to the bush. He would take the hive that had just swarmed, move it, install a new hive in its location, and then install the swarm into the new hive. He claimed that in addition to the swarm, he would also recover any workers out in the field. -- Rick __ Rick Spada _______________________ ricks@mathworks.com __ The MathWorks, Inc. info@mathworks.com 24 Prime Park Way http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760-1500 ftp.mathworks.com __ Tel: 508-653-1415 ___ Fax: 508-653-2997 _________________ From anthony@iet.hist.no Thu May 25 23:40:23 EDT 1995 Article: 1882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!astfgl.idb.hist.no!ans27.elektro.tih.no!anthony From: anthony@iet.hist.no (ANTHONY MORGAN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paraffin wax dipping? Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:14:04 GMT Organization: Sor-Trondelag College, Norway Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hei! I seem to have missed something here! Why dip in paraffin wax? The technique seems to be unknown in this part of the world. cheers Tony Morgan. From bkaugust@facstaff.wisc.edu Thu May 25 23:40:26 EDT 1995 Article: 1883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gw2.att.com!gw1.att.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: bkaugust@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ben August) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen for human consumption Date: 24 May 1995 23:53:50 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3q0gue$7aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f180-040.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 could someone please comment on the benefits, or drawbacks to using bee collected pollen as a human food supplement. Thanks - bkaugust@facstaff.wisc.edu From ringetringetame@mind.net Thu May 25 23:40:29 EDT 1995 Article: 1884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!rainrgnews0!ip0.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:15:04 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip0.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" writes: >Path: rainrgnews0!psgrain!news.sprintlink.net!demon!longton.demon.co.uk!alex >From: "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Stings and Blindness >Date: 21 May 1995 21:31:37 +0100 >Organization: At home in the North Midlands, UK >Lines: 18 >Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk >Message-ID: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> >Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk >NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk >MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at >post.demon.co.uk >X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 >X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk >I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions >become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to >another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into >the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. >If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the >risks are in relation to this please? >-- > Alex. >/* What kind of person uses a language that gives a clean compile on: > for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-:P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("|"+(*u/4)%2); */ > > Naw it wont make ya blind, just mad as heck. Why I was stung in the right eye and I am not blind. signed, Lefty From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Thu May 25 23:40:31 EDT 1995 Article: 1885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mutations in my hive... Date: 25 May 1995 05:34:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] A related question.... This morning I was hiving a swarm and upon close observation (I was looking for the queen) noticed a very strange looking worker crawling around with the rest of them. She/It had no abdomen. It had the head and thorax of a worker, and six legs, but where the abdomen should have been connected, this bee just ended. She was walking around like the rest of them and didn't seem harmed or in any distress. I watched her for a while to see if I'd somehow cleanly crushed the abdomen off of her during the hiving process. This didn't appear to be the case. Any comments on this one? Dave From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Thu May 25 23:40:34 EDT 1995 Article: 1886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What exactly IS honey? Date: 24 May 1995 14:11:43 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3pveqv$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com> References: <3pu6bl$8cd@crl8.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) I know that there are more learned folks than myself out there that may be able to elaborate, but basically honey is that substance that bees create from the nectar (normally) of flowering plants. This transformation from nectar to honey is brought about by the addition of enzymes by the bees, and then the evaporation of much of the water content. This evaporation (or curing) of the honey is accomplished after the nectar is deposited in a cell of the comb. Mark From cwu122@alf.usask.ca Thu May 25 23:40:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!alf.usask.ca!cwu122 From: cwu122@alf.usask.ca (Chris Warren Uhl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q: When a bee is killed Date: 25 May 1995 06:13:01 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3q175d$5vp@tribune.usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: alf.usask.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a question to bee professionals: I had the window open in my house, and a big huge bumble bee came buzzing in. To be honest, I was freaked. I got a fly-swatter and killed it. Since the killing (almost two weeks ago) our house has been frequented by bees (more than can be explained by coincidence). Two bees have entered the house through the dryer duct, and we've had three near misses at the front door. I had heard somewhere that if you kill a bee, it sends out a special scent that causes other bees to come and help out the injured bee. (This is the only logical explination for me.) My family doesn't 'bee'lieve such a story. (Sorry, had to get that out :-) I was wondering if someone can confirm this. You may respond here, but I would appreciate if you'd forward a copy to me at chris.uhl@usask.ca. Thanks a bunch! CU -- _____________________________________________________________________ [ Chris Uhl (Saskatoon, SK, Canada) | Encrypted mail preferred.] [ Internet: | PGP Public Key available ] [ Fidonet: <1:140/191> | by fingering me ] [------------------------------------------+--------------------------] [ Key fingerprint = 9E 29 8E DE A8 57 8D 49 8D AE 86 2D D2 40 DA 4D ] [_____________________________________________________________________] From pollinator@aol.com Sun May 28 16:56:21 EDT 1995 Article: 1888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First Swarm Date: 25 May 1995 23:31:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 24 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3q3i3b$f30@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3pve37$sdo@uudell.us.dell.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Mark Dillow >This brings a question to mind; has anyone had good results with swarm traps or bait hives? If you have empty hives, stack them on the highest thing you can conveniently use. Tall stacks of supers can work too, if you put a cover on top, and leave an opening somewhere. I caught 11 swarms this spring, which is the best I've had in several years. The last year before tracheal mite, I caught almost a hundred (I believe it was '86 or '87), and almost all of them were black bees from the river swamps. The black bees are almost gone now. Of this year's 11, I think 2 were of my own stock, indicating there are still some wild bees out there, but not many. I am saving several without mite treatment to watch for potential resistance. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun May 28 16:56:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mutations in my hive... Date: 26 May 1995 12:07:53 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 12 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <299717492wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu> <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk Loosing an abdomen is somewhat difficult as there is too much plumbing there that is needed to keep the bee alive. I suggest that what you saw is the remains of a wasps meal. Several years ago I witnessed a queen wasp regularly visiting the front of one of my hives, she would catch a worker, cut off the abdomen and fly off with it leaving the thorax and head to walk back into the hive! Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From knapper@bga.com Sun May 28 16:56:23 EDT 1995 Article: 1890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!knapper From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive Euthanasia Date: 25 May 1995 22:21:58 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3q2vu6$7qt@giga.bga.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: maria.bga.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joyce Deming (jdeming@delphi.com) wrote: : Can anyone tell me the best way to "dispatch" a hive? We have a hive Get a couple of pounds of DRY ICE, preferably in granules. At night, seal the front opening of the hive up, so there is an opening just big enough to stick the bee smoker in, and smoke the heck out of the hive. After the smoke has worked, open the top. drop in the dry ice, seal the top and the opening and just let it set. The dry ice will really drop the temp to below freezing, and if properly sealed, will ultimatly suffocate the bees. Dry ice is carbon dioxide, which is heavier than air, and will displace it. Cheers Woody : queen is more than we care to deal with. We popped the lid a few days If you can lower the temp sufficiently, you should have virtually paralized bees, and might be able to find the queen. Cheers Woody -- Woody Baker Postscript consultant/ hired software gun /flintknapper knapper@bga.com woody@knapper.cactus.org "If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" -->go ahead, ask me! From PDZH97A@prodigy.com Sun May 28 16:56:24 EDT 1995 Article: 1891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: PDZH97A@prodigy.com (Rick Guttery) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bait hive help needed Date: 26 May 1995 16:31:43 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3q4vpf$20qe@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap2.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Hello all, I have abait hive and need to get the pheremone lure for them. I have try the maker of one, but there 800 number is not in use and could not find a reg. phone number. Anyone know where I can get a lure at? Any help would 'bee' grateful. Rick From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun May 28 16:56:25 EDT 1995 Article: 1892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenright? Date: 25 May 1995 10:22:51 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 13 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <759395277wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3pqau3$mt$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk You give a number of pointers to the state of your hive but do not mention SOUND. Listness, running etc can be genetic but a colony that is happy will sound happy, one with problems has a higher pitch and one that is definately unhappy.... If the colony has a virgin or mated queen that is not laying it will sound reasonably happy, you could always place a frame of healthy eggs/young larva into it and monitor the reaction. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sun May 28 16:56:26 EDT 1995 Article: 1893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mutations in my hive... Date: 26 May 1995 04:57:53 GMT Organization: bc hydro Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3q3n4h$495@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line08.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu Heavens, you should have caught it, heck, no stinger either! From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 28 16:56:27 EDT 1995 Article: 1894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mutations in my hive... Date: 26 May 1995 05:01:27 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3q3nb7$3o4@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu> <3q3n4h$495@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] bill fernihough (bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: : Heavens, you should have caught it, heck, no stinger either! I know, I know.... but the damned thing looked so ridiculous... I couldn't bring myself to bother it. I figured it had enough problems. Besides, maybe it had teeth... Dave From westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Sun May 28 16:56:28 EDT 1995 Article: 1895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!halo.arc.nasa.gov!westphal From: westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluder too small? Date: 25 May 1995 16:30:26 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Lines: 8 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3q2bb2$nj3@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: halo.arc.nasa.gov -- Doug Westphal Ben Lomond, CA -- Douglas (Doug) L. Westphal NASA Ames Research Center, MS 245-5 westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch ph: (415) 604-3522 fax: 604-3625 Moffett Field, CA 94035 From westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Sun May 28 16:56:30 EDT 1995 Article: 1896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!halo.arc.nasa.gov!westphal From: westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluder too small? (second try) Date: 25 May 1995 16:42:40 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Lines: 61 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3q2c20$nkq@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: halo.arc.nasa.gov (sorry for the first empty post) Hello, A couple of weeks ago I added a super to my hive. It has a hive body and super for the brood chamber and most of the 20 frames are now covered with bees. I put an excluder below the new super when I added it. It is an all-metal excluder, made of heavy-guage wire. (It looks like a oven rack.) Two weeks later there isn't much activity in the new super. Some frames had new foundation and those haven't been drawn. And not much nectar is apparent. Not many bees in it either. (Maybe there isn't much nectar right now, but I see blossoms on different trees and the berries are blossoming now.) I looked at my excluder and noticed that the workers have difficulty passing through it. Some bees look like they are stuck. My reference (ABC-XYZ's of Beekeeping) says that the proper spacing is 0.165 inches. I checked mine and the spacing is anywhere from 0.158 to 0.161 inches. (I used a caliper and checked many different locations.) Questions: 1. What is the proper spacing? Does anyone know if the small difference (0.005 inches) could be enough to keep workers >from freely passing back and forth? 2. Has anyone ever watched their bees passing through the excluder? Do they pass freely, or do they have to fight their way through? Another question: Why do several hundred bees park on the landing board and just above on the face of the hive overnight when the temperature is 50-55C? Is it too crowded inside? I looked in the entrance and it does look packed except along the north side of the hive. I wonder if adding the super with the restricting excluder has not alleviated the crowding and they have to sleep outside cause there is no room at the inn? Thanks in advance for answering these newbie questions. -- Doug Westphal Ben Lomond, CA -- Doug Westphal Ben Lomond, CA -- Douglas (Doug) L. Westphal NASA Ames Research Center, MS 245-5 westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch ph: (415) 604-3522 fax: 604-3625 Moffett Field, CA 94035 From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 28 16:56:31 EDT 1995 Article: 1897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mutations in my hive... Date: 27 May 1995 09:14:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3q6qi5$nfs@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3q14tc$sog@netnews.upenn.edu> <3pudt2$1bq5@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <299717492wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] K.J.M.Hooker (khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Loosing an abdomen is somewhat difficult as there is too much plumbing there : that is needed to keep the bee alive. I suggest that what you saw is : the remains of a wasps meal. : Several years ago I witnessed a queen wasp regularly visiting the front : of one of my hives, she would catch a worker, cut off the abdomen and : fly off with it leaving the thorax and head to walk back into the hive! This sounds quite plausible since there are queen yellowjackets pestering the hives. Thanks for the info. Dave From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 28 16:56:32 EDT 1995 Article: 1898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bait hive help needed Date: 27 May 1995 09:25:31 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3q6r6b$nfs@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3q4vpf$20qe@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Rick Guttery (PDZH97A@prodigy.com) wrote: : Hello all, I have abait hive and need to get the pheremone lure for them. : I have try the maker of one, but there 800 number is not in use and could : not find a reg. phone number. Anyone know where I can get a lure at? Any : help would 'bee' grateful. Rick Sure, Brushy Mountain has them. They can be reached at 800/233-7929. You can also get them from Dr Orely (spelling?) Taylor at the University of Kansas, in Lawrence, KA. (Sorry, I don't have the number but you can get it via information at the appropriate area code.) The proceeds from his sales fund a student apicultural program of some sort. If you get the ones from Brushy Mountain, they are packaged in a tin foil wrapper - you can use the wrapper as a lure too! Dave. P.S. you probably know this, but be sure to check your traps regularly. Once a swarm moves in they'll fill it up very rapidly - and it will get heavy pretty quickly. This also has ramifications for where you place them. From glhat@ihug.co.nz Sun May 28 16:56:33 EDT 1995 Article: 1899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!ames!waikato!news.midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug.co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Terry Gosset) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: 27 May 1995 13:31:49 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3q79k5$1r2@newsource.ihug.co.nz> References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: glhat.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article , ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) says: > >In article <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" writes: >>Path: rainrgnews0!psgrain!news.sprintlink.net!demon!longton.demon.co.uk!alex >>From: "T. Alex. Shaw. BA(Hons" >>Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >>Subject: Stings and Blindness >>Date: 21 May 1995 21:31:37 +0100 >>Organization: At home in the North Midlands, UK >>Lines: 18 >>Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk >>Message-ID: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> >>Reply-To: alex@longton.demon.co.uk >>NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk >>MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at >>post.demon.co.uk >>X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 >>X-Posting-Host: longton.demon.co.uk > > >>I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions >>become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to >>another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into >>the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. >>If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the >>risks are in relation to this please? > > >>-- > >> Alex. > >>/* What kind of person uses a language that gives a clean compile on: >> for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-:P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("|"+(*u/4)%2); */ >> > >> > >Naw it wont make ya blind, just mad as heck. Why I was stung in the right eye >and I am not blind. signed, Lefty I have been stung at least three times in the eye. The only thing that happened to me is a bloody painful eye. Terry From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Sun May 28 16:56:34 EDT 1995 Article: 1900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen excluder too small? (second try) Date: 26 May 1995 04:27:20 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 55 Distribution: na Message-ID: <3q3lb8$3o4@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3q2c20$nkq@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Doug Westphal (westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov) wrote: : A couple of weeks ago I added a super to my hive. : It has a hive body and super for the brood chamber and : most of the 20 frames are now covered with bees. I don't know when your honeyflow begins or whether it is short/long intermittent, but in general, 1 deep and 1 super for brood space is insufficient. I operate with *3* deeps as brood chambers (for honey production - not pollination), in a section of Philadelphia heavily planted with gardens and trees. The nectar flow is heavy from April through mid-june, and then continuous but lighter through the summer due to all the gardening. Having very large hives works well here and I'm averaging over 200 lbs/hive. The point is that excluder questions aside, you probably need more space anyway. : I looked at my excluder and noticed that the workers have : difficulty passing through it. Some bees look like they are : stuck. I think that's your answer. (I'd run outside and measure an excluder, but it's thunderstorming) : 1. What is the proper spacing? Does anyone know if the small : difference (0.005 inches) could be enough to keep workers : from freely passing back and forth? : 2. Has anyone ever watched their bees passing through the : excluder? Do they pass freely, or do they have to fight : their way through? They shouldn't have to fight through. They can pass freely, but it looks like it's a bit of a pain for them. Many beekeepers regard excluders as a hindrance. I tend to shy away from them and use a honey-full super as a queen barrier instead. You can also put an auger hole in the first super above the excluder. : Why do several hundred bees park on the landing board and : just above on the face of the hive overnight when the : temperature is 50-55C? Is it too crowded inside? Assuming you meant 50-55 *F* yes, it is too crowded inside. : I wonder if adding the super with the restricting excluder : has not alleviated the crowding and they have to sleep : outside cause there is no room at the inn? It sounds like things are pretty crowded in there. I'd recommend immediately adding a second deep to your hive. Dave From moroney@world.std.com Sun May 28 16:56:35 EDT 1995 Article: 1901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Message-ID: <-K1nlaE96ZA7079yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 05:27:26 GMT Lines: 21 > I have kept bees for longer than I care to remember and on occassions > become rather careless and forget to wear my viel. I mentioned this to > another experienced beekeeper recently and he said that a sting direct into > the eye would cause permanent blindness and that I should always wear it. > > If this is so then, of course, he is right. Does anyone know what the > risks are in relation to this please? I almost found out the hard way the answer. I had one hive that was particularly nasty, and while working it one day (to replace the queen with a hopefully nicer one!) my veil wasn't on quite tight and a few of the buggers managed to get in. (talk about a bee in your bonnet!) I couldn't take it off because with the cloud of nasties buzzing around and crawling on me I'd probably wind up with more. Some stung ears etc., some I killed by squishing in the veil before they got the chance (alarm scent? My clothes were already covered in stingers!) but one went right for my eye. I saw it coming and closed the eye and it got me right on the eyelid. It hurt like heck for a little while and swelled up quite a bit but I was thanking my lucky stars it wasn't the eye itself. -Mike From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Sun May 28 16:56:36 EDT 1995 Article: 1902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gw2.att.com!gw1.att.com!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Supering question Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 21:14:06 GMT Lines: 13 I have a question about supering. I have a colony that has drawn and capped two shallow supers. I gave them a deep (foundation) last week and they have drawn it and filled it with nectar. My question..Should I give them a shallow (foundation again) and see if they'll draw it or should I leave them alone to make sure they cap the deep. I want to harvest the deep and two shallows.I'm in Silver Spring, MD and I think the honey flow should be ending soon...but I'm not sure what to do. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Larry Kellogg From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun May 28 16:56:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ancient bee bacteria Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <950527053937388@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 22 *ripped off b-list* ---------------------------------------- From: Jane Beckman Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:28:23 PDT Subject: Ancient bee bacteria I haven't seen this one mentioned here, so I thought I'd pass it on. What sorts of diseases did it protect against? Could it have any value to modern bees? Jane B. -------- A bacteria that hibernated as a spore for at least 25 million years is awake and thriving after researchers recovered it from the gut of a bee that had been preserved in amber. Raul J. Cano of California Polytechnic University, San Luis Obispo, said the bacteria makes a natural antibiotic that kills other bacteria, helping to keep the bee hive free of disease. This natural anti- biotic is now being analyzed for possible use in medicine. (AP) From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Sun May 28 16:56:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Newly mated queens Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:58:35 GMT Lines: 22 Several weeks ago, I started to make a new queen by putting a couple of frames with eggs into a nuc box. Two weeks ago I saw what I thought was the queen but she hadn't started to lay yet. All of the brood had emerged. Today at hign noon, with no smoke, I openned it again, (4X) I did not see the queen but I did see eggs and some other STRANGE things! First I should say that the bees were very content! (Red pollen again!) 1 There were three queen cells with two and three eggs inside. 2 There were some cells with two or three eggs inside. 3 There were cells with eggs attached to the very bottom but at the sides. Some eggs where not at the bottom but half way up an the sides. 4 There were many many cells where the egg was perfectly centered as they should be. 5 There where eggs outside the pollen/honey band. I am assuming that there is a mated queen, she just has not got her act together or shall I assume a laying worker. I guess I will really know a week from now as the cells get capped. Any one ever see this before? Dave Verville New Hampshire USA att!mvtowers!mvdfv From ajdel@interramp.com Sun May 28 16:56:39 EDT 1995 Article: 1905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip56.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newly mated queens Date: 28 May 1995 01:15:19 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3q8ir8$bjs@usenet.interramp.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip56.herndon2.va.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 27 May 1995 22:23:08 GMT In article -verville d.f., mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com writes: >Several weeks ago, I started to make a new queen by putting a couple >of frames with eggs into a nuc box. >Two weeks ago I saw what I thought was the queen but she hadn't started >to lay yet. All of the brood had emerged. >Today at hign noon, with no smoke, I openned it again, (4X) >I did not see the queen but I did see eggs and some other STRANGE things! >First I should say that the bees were very content! (Red pollen again!) > >1 There were three queen cells with two and three eggs inside. >2 There were some cells with two or three eggs inside. >3 There were cells with eggs attached to the very bottom but at the sides. > Some eggs where not at the bottom but half way up an the sides. >4 There were many many cells where the egg was perfectly > centered as they should be. >5 There where eggs outside the pollen/honey band. > >I am assuming that there is a mated queen, she just has not got her act >together or shall I assume a laying worker. >I guess I will really know a week from now as the cells get capped. >Any one ever see this before? >Dave Verville New Hampshire USA >att!mvtowers!mvdfv I'm very new to this so that what I'm going to say is "book learnin' but 1,2,3, and 5 all sound like the activities of a laying worker. The good news is the multiplicity of cells with a properly placed egg. This is undoubtedly the work of a normal queen. Were these placed more recently than the multiple/irregular eggs? The other good news is that the bees are "content" by which I assume that you mean that their activities are normal. This is another sign that a normal queen is in residence. AJ ajdel@interramp.com a normal queen From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Sun May 28 16:56:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering question Date: 27 May 1995 13:20:20 GMT Organization: bc hydro Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3q78uk$r9l@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line04.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:D97EzJ.KMn@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Leave them alone and let them cap the deep super. First, they won't cap it until it is ready, that is, until they have driven off the excess moisture from the nectar, making honey. This is what you want I beleive. Second, if the honey flow stops before they cap it all, they may not finish it, so be ready for that. It seems strange that you are looking forward to the end of your honey flow so soon, ours has not yet started. Some flow should go on all year, and so you may want to keep a super over them. Are you using a queen excluder? If so, don't put a super of foundation directly over the excluder, they won't go into it. Always put drawn empty comb over the excluder, put foundation above this as they need it. From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Mon May 29 21:47:31 EDT 1995 Article: 1907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newly mated queens Date: 29 May 1995 11:41:15 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 35 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <762063378wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk >From your comments/analysis of the bees I think you have a laying worker for the following reasons: 1. Unless your two frames of eggs for the nuc were liberally covered with nurse bees and more added to the nuc box your chances of raising a good queen successfully were marginal from the outset. 2. A nuc taken from a queenright hive can and does produce laying workers quicker than a queen. 3. You mention seeing a number of eggs in 'queen cells' but do not state if royal jelly was present. I assume it was not as this is the situation I have observed. These eggs will be the product of a laying worker. 4. Laying workers can and do lay in the base of a cell, the tell-tale clue to their presence is the ones they lay part way up the cell. A full queen can not achieve laying part way up a cell. Solution - 1. Either destroy the nuc or throw the contents into a swarm before running into a hive. 2. Raise queens in large healthy colonies, putting the laying queen in a spare nuc or box for safety, or give the colony a second brood box with a few frames of eggs over a queen excluder over the supers over the original brood box with its queen, and with a top entrance. Have fun - but remember bees cannot read. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From 74134.2617@compuserve.com Mon May 29 21:47:34 EDT 1995 Article: 1908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Yellow Pages 5/95 Date: 29 May 1995 02:26:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 1199 Message-ID: <3qbbbr$jpv@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: 74134.2617@compuserve.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf BEEKEEPING YELLOW PAGES MAY 1995 ISSUE Copyright 1995 by Stan G. Kain All rights reserved. No part of this book, in whole or in part, may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means without the express permission of the author. published by Eskay Information Services 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax (417)777-4014 A s the computer age and online information services rapidly grow, the need to know electronic mail addresses has become essential. One can find some sort of "electronic address book" for nearly any specialty field of study, as well as several general purpose books. One can even obtain facsimile "address books" for that method of communication. In fact, most of us rely upon some sort of electronic communication in our daily lives. A s I began writing Information Highway articles for agricultural interests, the need for some sort of address book became apparent. My computer access features in BEE CULTURE magazine have elicited more positive response than I had imagined possible. Beekeepers, both hobbyists and commercial; pollinators, researchers, manufacturers and government agencies all expressed interest in an address book for apiculture. I not only received requests by electronic mail, but by written post, telephone calls and fax comments. T he positive response to my computer related articles offered me the challenge to compile a "Beekeeping Yellow Pages." My initial plan to compile only a list of electronic mail addresses was quickly set aside because of the fax and postal replies. While a more difficult task, I felt compelled to develop an address book offering postal addresses, electronic mail, fax and telephone contact information. I also decided that by offering information as to the interests and expertise of entries would permit users to locate others with similar interests. Y ou now possess the first edition of the "Beekeeping Yellow Pages." This is the beginning of what I believe will become an essential reference to all those concerned with facets of apiculture. As is the case of any reference document of this nature, your participation will determine the future value of the address book. A re you listed in the "Beekeeping Yellow Pages?" Is your information current? Do you know someone else who should be listed? Your participation is essential if this address book is to serve a useful purpose. Your inclusion in the "Yellow Pages" is free of charge. I only request that you advise me of any changes in information. If you would like to be included, or know someone who would, please contact me with the following details: NAME: POSTAL ADDRESS: TELEPHONE NUMBER: FAX NUMBER: ELECTRONIC MAIL ADDRESS: INTERESTS: EXPERTISE: Y ou may supply any or all of the information indicated above. The more complete your input, the more helpful we will find the address book to be. I also request that you reply to queries from other "Yellow Pages" users. Let's assist each other in our beekeeping endeavors. A t this time, the "Beekeeping Yellow Pages" will be made available in several ways. An annual update will be made available to a national beekeeping magazine. Likewise, an annual update will be available to users of several online computer user groups involved with beekeeping interests. A hardcopy book, such as this one, will be available and updated quarterly. The hardcopy book may be ordered directly from the author or publisher. You may contact the author at the address shown below for details on purchasing a copy. I thank you for obtaining and using the "Beekeeping Yellow Pages." I ask for your continued support in building a bigger and better reference book for the world of apiculture. Best Wishes, FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, CONTACT: Stan G. Kain 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: stankain@delphi.com CompuServe I.D.: 74134,2617 APICULTURAL INSPECTORS / GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AFRICA No Listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND VAN EATON, CLIFF Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries MAF Quality Management Private bag Tauranga, New Zealand Email: vaneatonc@tauranga.mafqual.govt.nz Interests: Kiwi Fruit, Writing, Bee Diseases, Certifications, Bee Consulting Expertise: Apicultural Advisory Officer; Familiar with Viet Nam, Solomon Islands and New Guinea. CANADA CLARK, KERRY British Columbian Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103rd Avenue Dawson Creek, B.C. V1G 4J2 Canada Voice: (604)784-2225 Fax: (604)784-2299 Expertise: Extension & Regulatory activities. Research on Tracheal Mites & recommendations for Varroa Control. Apicultural Specialist. GATES, JOHN British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture, Fish & Food 4607 23rd Street Vernon, B.C., Canada V1T 4K7 Voice: (604)549-5580 Fax: (604)549-5488 Email: jgates@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Interests: Extension Services, Disease Monitoring, Field Research and Pollination Advice Expertise: Apicultural Specialist KEATING, PETER JOHN 426, Rang 3 St-Prime, Quebec G0W 2W0 Canada Voice: (418)251-MIEL Fax: (418)679-2011 Expertise: Technical Advisor to group of commercial beekeepers in Quebec. This group maintains 40% of the colonies in Quebec. Advises group regarding new techniques, diseases, and production of quality products. VAN WESTENDORP, PAUL Provincial Apiarist British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries & Food 17720 - 57th Avenue Surrey, B.C. V3S 4P9 Canada Email: pvanwesten@galaxy.gov.bc.ca EUROPE No listings at this time MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL No listings at this time UNITED STATES - EAST BAILEY, KENNETH W. Cumberland County Center P.O. Box 270 Fayetteville, NC 28302-0270 Voice: (910)484-7156 Fax: (910)484-4255 Email: kbailey@cumberla.ces.ncsu.edu Expertise: N.C. Cooperative Extension Service Assistant Agricultural Extension Agent; Commercial Horticulture, Beekeeping BONNEY, RICHARD E. Entomology Department Fernald Hall, Umass Amherst, MA 01003-2410 Email: rebon@ent.umass.edu Voice: (413)545-1257 Fax: (413)545-2115 Expertise: Extension Specialist, Extension Apiculturist, Teaching, Writing, Publishing WHITE, BLAINE State Apiary Inspector Minnesota Department of Agriculture Division of Plant Protection 90 West Plato Boulevard St. Paul, MN 55107 Voice: (612)296-0591 Fax: (612)296-7386 Email: bwhite@mda-is.mda.state.mn.us Expertise: Apiary Inspection UNITED STATES - WEST No listings at this time APICULTURAL ORG. / CLUBS / OFFICERS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF PROFESSIONAL APICULTURISTS C/O P. van Westendorp, Secretary 17720 - 57th Avenue Surrey, B.C. V3S 4P9 Canada CHAPLEAU, JEAN-PIERRE 1982, rang 8, St. Adrien, Quebec, Canada J0A 1C0 Voice: (819)828-3396 Email: 73642,244@compuserve.com Interests: Bee Breeding Expertise: Vice President, Canadian Honey Council, President of the Quebec Beekeepers Federation (1995). Works with "L'ABEILLE" (Provincial Bee Magazine) EUROPE BOHET, MR. JEAN-MARIE Allee Saint Enienne au Mont, 5A B-4500 HUY Belgium Voice: +32(0)85-21 7082 Expertise: President of the Provincial Federation of Beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.) President of the Federation royale provinciale liegeoise d'apiculture. COULIE, MRS. MONIQUE Rue du Noyer, 58 B-1040 Bruxelles Belgium Voice: +32(0)2-733 38 39 Expertise: President of the Federation des apiculteurs du Braband Wallon DE HERCHOVE D'EXAUDE, MR. ETIENNE Rue du Beau Site, 17 B-1390 Grez-Doiceaux Belgium Voice: +32(0)10-84 46 83 Expertise: Treasurer of the Federation des apiculteurs du Braband Wallon DEPUE, MRS. NADINE Clos des pinsions, 24 B-1342 Limelette Belgium Voice: +32(0)10-41 19 03 Expertise: Secretary of the Federation des apiculteurs du Braband Wallon FORTEMAISON, MR. ANDRE Chaussee de Namur, 66 B-5360 Hamois-Natoye Belgium Expertise: President of the Federation provinciale des unions professionnelle apicoles de Namur. HELBO, MR. FRANCOIS Rue Jeanne Dubois, 13 B-7601 Roucourt Belgium Voice: +32(0)69-77 28 28 Expertise: Treasurer of the Federations royale des Unions Professionelles Apicoles du Hainaut HERBEUVAL, MR. RAYMOND Rue du Moulin, 17 B-6811 Les Bulles Belgium Voice: +32(0)61-31 26 14 Expertise: President of the federationprovinciale d'apiculture du Luxembourg JANSSEN, MR. P. Thieu Hillette, 13 B-4830 Limbourg Belgium Voice: +32(0)87-76 34 09 Expertise: Secretary of the Federation royale provinciale liegeoise d'apiculture MICHEL, MR. NOEL Rue Joseph Quintaart, 93 B-7063 Chaussee-Notre-Dame-Louvignies Belgium Voice: +32(0)67-45 88 50 Expertise: President of the Federations Royale des Unions Professionelles Apicoles du Hainaut MONJOIE, MR. FRANCOIS Rue des Seyous, 11 B-5361 Hamois-SCY Belgium Voice: +32(0)83-61 13 36 Expertise: Secretary of the Provincial Federation of Beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.); Secretary-Treasurer of the Federation provinciale des unions professionnelle apicoles de Namur POLUS, MR. PIERRE Rue de Rome 12 B-6940 Grandhain, Belgium Voice: +32(0)86-21 11 83 Expertise: Treasurer of the Provincial Federation of Beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.); Secretary-Treasurer of the Federation provinciale d'apiculture du Luxembourg. Interests: Involved in queen breeding, teaching of beekeeping and the publication of 'LA BELGIQUE APICOLE." VANDEGHINSTE, MR. ETIENNE Rue Pied d'Eau, 127 B-7090 ronquieres Belgium Voice: +32(0)67-64 83 51 Expertise: Secretary of the federations Royale des Unions Professionelles Apicoles du Hainaut. MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL No listings at this time UNITED STATES - EAST HOUSTEN, JAMES POB 194 Martinsville, NJ 08836-0194 Voice: (908)356-4264 Email: chimneyrk@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Past President of the NJSA and Member of the NJ Beekeepers Association UNITED STATES - WEST No listings at this time APITHERAPY AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA SIMICS, MICHAEL #204, 1331 - 15th Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T3C 0X8 Voice/Fax: (403)541-1877 Interests: Honey Bee Venom Collection; Vespid venom collection. Writing and publishing of books related to venom and collection. Also working with Apitherapy. Sells venom and collection equipment. EUROPE No listings at this time MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL KAIN, SHARON K. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: 74134,2617@compuserve.com Interests: Apitherapy, Hobby Beekeeping, Sales and Marketing of Small Agricultural Products LYONS, JIM 1316 Waldron St. Louis, MO 63130 Email: lyons@crl.com Interests: Hobbyist with city and country experience. Interested in learning more about all aspects of beekeeping, including apitherapy. Also interested in osmia and lignaria for pollination. UNITED STATES - EAST IANNUZZI, JOHN(JACK THE B), PhD. RR 8 9772 Old Annapolis Road Ellicott City, MD 21042 Email: ji0079@epflz.epflbalto.org Interests: Owner of Howard Honey Farms. Involved with honey bee products, Apitherapy and Writing of Beekeeping Related Articles. UNITED STATES - WEST CRONSHAW, PAUL, D.C. 816 N. Milpas Street Santa Barbara, CA 93103-3031 Voice: (805)965-9801 Fax: (805)564-6773 Email: cronshaw@rain.org Interests: Backyard Beekeeping, AHB, Apitherapy Expertise: Chiropractor, Public Speaking on Beekeeping Topics COMMERCIAL BEEKEEPERS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA FOREST, JOHN 1059 Dimock Creek Maria QC Canada G0C 1Y0 Expertise: Honey producer specializing in organic certified honey. Maintains about 500 colonies. EUROPE BUCKFAST ABBEY Buckfastleigh Devon TQ11 0EE Voice: Buckfastleigh (0364)643301 Expertise: Involved in bee breeding. Currently run 320 honey production colonies and 520 virgins at an isolation mating station. MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL No listings at this time UNITED STATES - EAST BELL, RON 12168 Frederick Road Thurmont, MD 21788-2537 Email: bell@wrair-emhl.army.mil CompuServe I.D.: 74732,1425 Expertise: Researcher at Walter Reed Armu Hospital. Research in diagnosis/detection of viral infections or biological toxins. Trained as Veterinary Pathologist. Interests: With wife, runs Frederick Honey Company CAMP, JONATHAN Email: etpf28a@prodigy.com Expertise: East Coast Pollinator(apples/cranberries). Commercial beekeeper with 250 colonies +. Sales of equipment, woodenware and foundation. Wife sells beeswax, candles and candle kits. IANNUZZI, JOHN(JACK THE B), PhD. RR 8 9772 Old Annapolis Road Ellicott City, MD 21042 Email: ji0079@epflz.epflbalto.org Interests: Owner of Howard Honey Farms. Involved with honey bee products, Apitherapy and Writing of Beekeeping Related Articles. UNITED STATES - WEST COLE, WALLACE 2017 SE 390th Avenue Washougal, WA 98671 Voice: (206)835-3041 Email: wallacec1049@eworld.com Expertise: Small commercial beekeeper involved with apple pollination EDUCATION / EDUCATORS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA KEATING, PETER JOHN 426, Rang 3 St-Prime, Quebec G0W 2W0 Canada Voice: (418)251-MIEL Fax: (418)679-2011 Expertise: Technical Advisor to group of commercial beekeepers in Quebec. This group maintains 40% of the colonies in Quebec. Advises group regarding new techniques, diseases and production of quality products. EUROPE HICKS, BR. LAURENCE Buckfast Abbey Buckfastleigh Devon TQ11 0EE Voice: Buckfastleigh (0364)643301 Expertise: Head of Bee Department at Buckfast Abbey POLUS, MR. PIERRE Rue de Rome 12 B-6940 Grandhain, Belgium Voice: +32(0)86-21 11 83 Expertise: Treasurer of the Provincial Federation of Beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.); Secretary-Treasurer of the federation provinciale d'apiculture du Luxembourg. Interests: Involved in queen breeding, teaching of beekeeping and the publication of 'LA BELGIQUE APICOLE." MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA DE JONG, DR. DAVID Depto. de Genetic FaF-C de Medicina, USP 14.049-900 Ribeirao Preto, jS SP Brasil Email: genebee.so@sol.fmrp.usp.br Expertise: Professor. Teaches Genetics & Ecology/Evolution. Honeybee research on Varroa and AHB. MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL HONEY BEE INSEMINATION SERVICE 7417 Hayden Run Road Amlin, OH 43002 Voice/Fax: (614)777-9687 Expertise: Business of Production and Sale of Insemination Equipment, Instruction, Sales and Consultation NABORS, RAY P.O. Box 1001 Caruthersville, MO 63830 Voice: (314)333-0258 Fax: (314)333-0259 Email: pemiscot@ext.missouri.edu Interests: Teaching and Research SHOEMAKER, JIM 5160 South Western Brookline, MO Voice: (417)887-0225 Email: jshoemak@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us Expertise: Operates 50 colonies of honey bees. Teaches beekeeping at local library. UNITED STATES - EAST BONNEY, RICHARD E. Entomology Department Fernald Hall, Umass Amherst, MA 01003-2410 Email: rebon@ent.umass.edu Voice: (413)545-1257 Fax: (413)545-2115 Expertise: Extension Specialist, Extension Apiculturist, Teaching, Writing, Publishing DELAPLANE, DR. KEITH S. Cooperative Extension Service The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Voice: (706)542-1765 Fax: (706)542-3872 Email: ksd@uga.cc.uga.edu Interests: Teaching and Research; Bee Biology, Management & Parasite Control. Expertise: Assistant Professor of Entomology GLOBAL NATURE TOURS, INC. 2701 Oxford Circle Upper Marlboro, MD 20772 Voice: (301)627-4777 Fax: (301)627-9754 Expertise: Organization of Worldwide Nature Tours UNITED STATES - WEST WENNER, DR. ADRIAN Department of Biology University of California Santa barbara, CA 93106 Voice: (805)893-2338 (Office) Voice: (805)893-2838 (Lab) Fax: (805)893-4724 Email: wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu Interests: Research Expertise: Professor Emeritus(Natural History) HOBBYISTS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA HAMILTON, NANCY RR#4 Fredericton, New Brunswick E3B 4X5 Canada Email: prism@nbnet.nb.ca Interests: Small Hobby Beekeeper with numerous floral sources HYDE, HARVEY RR #2 Cornwall Prince Edward Island, Canada C0A-1H0 Voice: (902)566-2228 Email: hhyde@bud.peinet.pe.ca Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Editor of Local Beekeepers Cooperative Newsletter EUROPE HABERL, MICHAEL Email: haberl@zi..biologie.uni-muenchen.de Interests: Hobby Beekeeping and Research Expertise: Interested in intra- and intercolonial genetic structure of honey bees; mating biology, working with DNA fingerprinting. MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST ALI, M.M. IT Centre Emirates Airlines Box 686 Dubai, United Arab Emirates Email: 75533,2254@compuserve.com MAJORNET: MM ALI@DMC Voice: +9716 598912 Interests: General Beekeeping HAJI, MOHD Raheeq Al Zahr Box 40635 Dubai, United Arab Emirates Voice/Fax: +9716 366935 Interests: General Beekeeping UNITED STATES - CENTRAL ADAMS, DAN Rt. 10 Box 1157 Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)833-4125 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping ATKINSON, WALTER 1100 West Thomas Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)866-3719 Interests: General Beekeeping BENDURE, WALTER Rt. 3 Box 129 Strafford, MO 65757 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping CLOETER, HAROLD Rt. 7 Box 240 Springfield, MO 65803 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping COLLISON, NORMAN 1023 East McClernon Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)833-3559 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping CONNAWAY, BILL & SUSAN Rt. 1 Box 2327 Marshfield, MO 65706 Voice: (417)473-6833 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping COOPER, JOSEPH 519 Pincherry Lane Worthington, OH 43085 Voice: (614)885-1586 Email: jcooper@infinet.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping CUMMINGS, BILL 201 South Rambler Muncie, IN 47304-4139 Voice: (317)284-7083 Email: 75034,1016@compuserve.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Interested in disease/mite control. DICKWORTH, PAUL Rt. 1 Box 133 Billings, MO 65610 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping DRAKE, PAUL 870 West Norton Springfield, MO 65802 Voice: (417)833-1448 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping FAULKNER, BURL 4125 West Maple Springfield, MO 65802-1071 Voice: (417)831-0729 Fax: (417)831-5970 Email: b.faulkner@genie.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping FEENEY, C.E. Rt. 1 Box 1036 Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)833-2768 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping GIDEON, MR. & MRS. TERRY RR3 Box 271-5 Strafford, MO 65757 Voice: (417)736-2049 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping GILBERT, JACK 4402 Balcones Drive Austin, TX 78731 Voice/Fax: (512)454-1091 Email: jgilbert@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Organic Chemistry, Pesticides & Pheromones GILMORE, NANTHA 8388 West Sunset Drive Springfield, MO 65802 Voice: (417)831-9170 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping HARDIN, TRUMAN 1829 West Washita Springfield, MO 65807 Voice: (417)866-2602 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping HINZ, DEAN 1 Joel Drive Rogersville, MO 65742 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping KELLY, MR. & MRS. DAN Rt. 6 Box 601-1 Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)742-3030 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping LYONS, JIM 1316 Waldron St. Louis, MO 63130 Email: lyons@crl.com Interests: Hobbyist with city and country experience. Interested in learning more about all aspects of beekeeping, including apitherapy. Also interested in osmia and lignaria for pollination. MARSHALL, ROBERT S. 13 Bruce Circle North Hawthorne Woods, IL 60047 Email: marsh14@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping MORRIS, ROBERT Route 4 Box 4150 Seymour, MO 65746 Voice: (417)767-2794 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping and General Agricultural business QUIMBY, MIKE 3418 South Shirley Road Shirley, IN 47384 Voice: (317)737-6633 Email: m.quimby@lilly.com Interests: Beginning Hobby Beekeeper RAMSEY, MRS. TRESSIE P.O. Box 188 Houston, MO 65483 Voice: (417)967-3176 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping ROWAN, CLINTON Rt. 1 Box 263 Aldrich, MO 65601 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping SCAFE, JOHN C. Rt. 3 Box 240-5 Strafford, MO 65757 Voice: (417)736-2255 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping SCHMIDT, MICHAEL, J. 771 East 300N Road Gibson City, IL 60936-7136 Voice: (217)749-2331 Email: mjschmidt@aol.com Expertise: Hobby Beekeeping Interests: Wintering and Mites SMITH, ARTHUR HC 76 Box 30 Polk, MO 65727 Voice: (417)852-4530 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping STRUNK, MARK 1351 South Pennsylvania Springfield, MO 65807 Voice: (417)869-6328 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping SUDDUTH, KATHY 1851 ST Hwy N Clever, MO 65613 Voice: (417)882-5438 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping TRACY, C.L. 221 East Sunshine Springfield, MO 65803 Voice: (417)882-5438 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping THORNE, LARRY 2801 West state Hwy F Ozark, MO 65721 Voice: (417)581-8002 WADE, MR. & MRS. ROBERT Rt. 3 Box 526 Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice: (417)253-4315 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping WICKEY, W.T. Route 3 Box 223 Mansfield, MO 65704 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping WILLIAMS, MS. JUDY Rt. 7 Box 232 Springfield, MO 65802 Voice: (417)864-3481 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping WILLS, CHARLES Rt. 4 Box 376 Rogersville, MO 65742 Voice: (417)753-2390 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping WOODS, KENNETH Rt. 2 Box 244 Crane, MO 65633 Voice: (417)369-3649 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping UNITED STATES - EAST BAILEY, KENNETH W. Cumberland County Center P.O. Box 270 Fayetteville, NC 28302-0270 Voice: (910)484-7156 Fax: (910)484-4255 Email: kbailey@cumberla.ces.ncsu.edu Expertise: N.C. Cooperative Extension Service Assistant Agricultural Extension Agent; Commercial Horticulture, Beekeeping CAWLEY, DAVE D. 1511 Jackson Street Scranton, PA 18504 Voice: (717)342-8113 Email: dave@lydian.scranton.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Internet Provider: "Internet Cafe" FAGERMAN, JEFF 328 Lucy Avenue Decatur, AL 35603 Voice: (205)340-0176 Fax: (205)340-1257 Email: jafagerm@ingr.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Interested in the Pollination Business. FRIEDGEN, JOYCE 11 Lakeview Road Littleton, MA 01460 Voice: (508)486-8734 (Home) Voice: (508)952-2522 (Work) Fax: (508)952-2501 Email: joycef@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Interested in sharing beekeeping ideas. GEIGER, PETER Email: pgeiger@seraph1.sewanee.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping HAWKES, ELIZABETH 715 N. Creek Road West Chester, PA 19380 Voice: (610)436-8450 Email: rhawkes@wcupa.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Honey marketing through local farm markets. Entering honey in local competitions. HAWKES, ROBERT 715 N. Creek Road West Chester, PA 19380 Voice: (610)436-8450 Email: rhawkes@wcupa.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Honey marketing through local farm markets. Entering honey in local competitions. HAWKINS, DORINDA 397 Old Towne Circle Lawrenceville, GA 30245 Voice: (404)963-8818 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Beeswax Candle Making HAWKINS, GARY 397 Old Towne Circle Lawrenceville, GA 30245 Voice: (404)963-8818 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Beeswax Candle Making HOUSTEN, JAMES POB 194 Martinsville, NJ 08836-0194 Voice: (908)356-4264 Email: chimneyrk@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Past President of the NJSA and Member of the NJ Beekeepers Association HUMPHREY, FRANKLIN D. 510 Notre Dame Avenue Chattanooga, TN 37412 Email: frankhumph@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping JORGENSON, WAYNE Box 475 Norwood, MN 55368 Voice: (612)467-3801 Email: 74034,2604@compuserve.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping MCHALE, ROBERT A. 4 May Road Pearl River, New York 10965 Voice: (914)735-9246 Interests: Hobby Beekeeper with 10 colonies. Three years experience. MUNROE, MICHAEL 16 Apple House Road Lakeview, MA 02347 Voice: (508)946-1263 Email: 74211,3034@compuserve. com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping; interested in bee plants OLDFATHER, JOHN 7409 Powhatan Lane Pewee Valley, KY 40056 Voice: (502)241-0967 (Home) Voice: (502)587-4339 (Office) Fax: (502)587-4865 Email: jwold@delphi.com Interests: General Beekeeping OVERMAN, WILLIAM J. 1512 John Carroll DrivePensacola, FL 32504 Voice: (904)476-3313 (Home) Voice: (904)478-6363 (Work) Fax: (904)474-0536 Email: flareal@gulf.net Email: woverman@delphi.com Interests: Serious Hobbyist WROSCH, JOHN P. 2411 Hickman Road Ann Arbor, MI 48105 Email: john.p.wrosch@um.cc.umich.edu Expertise: Master Beekeeper (E.A.S.) UNITED STATES - WEST MCLAUGHLIN, WILLIAM(BILL)P. 3851 Harrison Street Denver, CO 80205 Voice: (303)321-9458 Email: bill.mclaughlin@sdoet.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping; MAC software for beekeeping MOORE, DOUGLAS Voice: (415)921-5570 Fax: (415)921-5571 Email: dgmoore@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping in Inverness, CA MOORE, MARGARET Voice: (415)921-5570 Fax: (415)921-5571 Email: dgmoore@aol.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping in Inverness, CA PEHLING, DAVE W.S.U. Snohomish Co. Cooperative Extension 600 128th St. S.E. Everett, WA 98208 Voice: (206)338-2400 Fax: (206)338-3994 Email: ce6431@wsuvml.csc.wsu.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping, Native Pollinators(Osmia) & Pest Management Expertise: Zoology ROHLF, DON North 1612 Maple Street Spokane, WA 99204 Voice: (509)325-2967 Email: 74216,1561@compuserve.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping WONG, GEARY, Rph. 6141 D Thorton Avenue Newark, CA 94560 Voice/Fax: (510)793-7251 Email: gewong@netcom.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping & Medicinal Herbs Expertise: Pharmacist MANUFACTURERS / SUPPLIERS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA SIMICS, MICHAEL #204, 1331 - 15th Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T3C 0X8 Voice/Fax: (403)541-1877 Interests: Honey Bee Venom Collection; Vespid venom collection. Writing and publishing of books related to venom and collection. Also working with apitherapy. Sells venom and collection equipment. EUROPE No listings at this time MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL HONEY BEE INSEMINATION SERVICE 7417 Hayden Run Road Amlin, OH 43002 Voice/Fax: (614)777-9687 Expertise: Business of Production and Sales of Insemination Equipment, Instruction, Sales and Consultation KAIN, SHARON K. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: 74134,2617@compuserve.com Interests: Apitherapy, Hobby Beekeeping, Sales and Marketing of Small Agricultural Products. KAIN, STAN G. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: stankain@delphi.com CompuServe I.D.: 74134,2617 Interests: Sales of Beekeeping Equipment for Hobbyists, Computer Information Sources, Backyard Beekeeping, Comb Honey Production Expertise: Freelance Writer, Computer Consultant, Information Service UNITED STATES - WEST HAWKINS, DORINDA 397 Old Towne Circle Lawrenceville, GA 30245 Voice: (404)963-8818 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Beeswax Candle Making HAWKINS, GARY 397 Old Towne Circle Lawrenceville, GA 30245 Voice: (404)963-8818 Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Beeswax Candle Making ADAMS, DAVID S. 2896 Reynolds Road Bartow, FL 33830 Voice: (813)537-1155 Expertise: Commercial Beekeeper in central Florida running about 2600 colonies. Currently working to establish shipping and sales of queens and queen cells from the ARS-YC1 line. GLOBAL NATURE TOURS, INC. 2701 Oxford Circle Upper Marlboro, MD 20772 Voice: (301)627-4777 Fax: (301)627-9754 Expertise: Organization of Worldwide Nature Tours LIBERMAN, HAROLD M. 2701 Oxford Circle Upper Marlboro, MD 20772 Voice: (301)627-4777 Fax: (301)627-9754 Expertise: Worldwide Nature and Beekeeping Tours TUTTLE APIARIES 3030 Lewis River Road Woodland, WA 98674 Voice: (360)225-9631 Interests: Beekeeping and Experimentation of Beekeeping Products Expertise: Manufacturer of Mite Treatment Medications Approved for Use in the U.S. UNITED STATES - WEST CRONSHAW, PAUL, D.C. 816 N. Milpas Street Santa Barbara, CA 93103-3031 Voice: (805)965-9801 Fax: (805)564-6773 Email: cronshaw@rain.org Interests: Backyard beekeeping, AHB, Apitherapy Expertise: Chiropractor, Public Speaking on Beekeeping Topics ONLINE COMPUTER GROUPS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA No listings at this time EUROPE BEENET INTERNATIONAL BBS P.O. Box 51008 1007EA Amsterdam, Netherlands BeeNet 240:31/0 FidoNet 2:2801/28 Voice: +31 20 6764105 Modem: +31 20 6715663 Interests: Email & files network (130 members) in Northern Europe. Goal is to make scientific knowledge available to beekeepers with computers, but without Internet access. SELTORP, CHRISTER Solbergavagen 20 S-135 67 Tyreso Sweden Interests: Beekeeping, BBS Networks, Computer Communications Expertise: BEENET INTERNATION VEERKAMP, HUGO P.O. Box 51008 1007 EA Amsterdam, Netherlands Email: veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org Interests: Member of BEENET INTERNATIONAL BBS MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL No listings at this time UNITED STATES - EAST CAWLEY, DAVE D. 1511 Jackson Street Scranton, PA 18504 Voice: (717)342-8113 Email: dave@lydian.scranton.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Internet Provider: "Internet Cafe" FINKELSTEIN, ADAM Entomology Department VA Tech 307 Price Hall Blacksburg, VA 24061-0319 Voice: (703)231-6341 Email: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Expertise: Graduate Student Interests: FAQ Maintainer of sci.agriculture.beekeeping online newsgroup UNITED STATES - WEST NACHBAUR, ANDY 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 Email: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Interests: Beekeeping Bulletin Boards Expertise: Operates WILDBEES BBS POLLINATION INTERESTS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA GATES, JOHN British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture, Fish & Food 4607 23rd Street Vernon, B.C., Canada V1T 4K7 Voice: (604)549-5580 Fax: (604)549-5488 Email: jgates@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Interests: Extension Services, Disease Monitoring, Field Research and Pollination Advice Expertise: Apicultural Specialist MACKENZIE, DR. KENNA ELENE Research Scientist Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada Research Centre, 32 Main Street Kentville, Nova Scotia B4N 1J5 Canada Email: mackenziek@em.agr.ca Email: k_mackenzie@nsrske.agr.ca Voice: (902)679-5731 Fax: (902)679-2311 Interests: Research interests include applied pollination of fruit crops especially lowbush blueberry; management of honey bees, leafcutter bees and bumblebees for crop pollination; pesticide/pollinator ineractions and the role of native bees in crop pollination. EUROPE PTACEK, DR. VLADIMIR Fac. Sci. Masaryk University Kotlarska 2, 611 37 Brno, Czech Republic Email: ptacek@sci.muni.cz Interests: Bee Biology, Honey Bees Solitary Bees, Bumble Bees, Biology and Management, Pollination & Seed Production MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL LYONS, JIM 1316 Waldron St. Louis, MO 63130 Email: lyons@crl.com Interests: Hobbyist with city and country experience. Interested in learning more about all aspects of beekeeping, including apitherapy. Also interested in osmia and lignaria for pollination. UNITED STATES - EAST CAMP, JONATHAN Email: etof28a@prodigy.com Expertise: East Coast Pollinator(apples/cranberries). Commercial beekeeper with 250 colonies +. Sales of equipment, woodenware and foundation. Wife sells beeswax, candles and candle kits. EASTERN POLLINATOR NEWSLETTER P.O. Box 1215 Hemingway, SC 29554 Voice: (803)558-9598 Email: pollinator@aol.com FAGERMAN, JEFF 328 Lucy Avenue Decatur, AL 35603 Voice: (205)340-0176 Fax: (205)340-1257 Email: jafagerm@ingr.com Interests: Hobby Beekeeping. Interested in the Pollination Business. GREEN, DAVID Eastern Pollinator Newsletter P.O. Box 1215 Hemingway, SC 29554 Voice: (803)558-9598 Email: pollinator@aol.com Expertise: Editor of pollination newsletter UNITED STATES - WEST CABRAL, KATHLEEN 1104 12th Street Modesto, CA 95354 Voice: (209)549-8262 Fax: (209)549-8267 Email: 74201,474@compuserve.com Expertise: Board laison to beekeeping industry on issues of common concern for the California Almond Board. Director of Industry Services. COLE, WALLACE 2017 SE 390th Avenue Washougal, WA 98671 Voice: (206)835-3041 Email: wallacec1049@eworld.com Expertise: Small commercial beekeeper involved with apple pollination. LOOKER, MARK Almond Board of California 1104 12th Street Modesto, CA 95354 Voice: (209)549-8262 Fax: (209)549-8267 Email: 71062,1375@compuserve.com Interests: Provide resources pertaining to the almond industry and pollination Expertise: Information Manager for the California Almond Board, Information Services Provider, Freelance Writer PEHLING, DAVE W.S.U. Snohomish Co. Cooperative Extension 600 128th St. S.E. Everett, WA 98208 Voice: (206)338-2400 Fax: (206)338-3994 Email: ce6431@wsuvml.csc.wsu.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping, Native Pollinators(Osmia) & Pest Management Expertise: Zoology QUEEN BREEDING AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA CHAPLEAU, JEAN-PIERRE 1982, rang 8, St Adrien, Quebec, Canada J0A 1C0 Voice: (819)828-3396 Email: 73642,244@compuserve.com Interests: Bee Breeding Expertise: Vice President, Canadian Honey Council, President of the Quebec Beekeepers Federation (1995). Works with "L'ABEILLE" (Provincial Bee Magazine) EUROPE BUCKFAST ABBEY Buckfastleigh Devon TQ11 0EE Voice: Buckfastleigh (0364)643301 Expertise: Involved in bee breeding. Currently run 320 honey production colonies and 520 virgins at an isolation mating station. POLUS, MR. PIERRE Rue de Rome 12 B-6940 Grandhaim, Belgium Voice: +32(0)86-21 11 83 Expertise: Treasurer of the Provincial Federation of Beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.); Secretary-Treasurer of the Federation provinciale d'apiculture du Luxembourg. Interests: Involved in Queen Breeding, Teaching of Beekeeping and the publication of 'LA BELGIQUE APICOLE." MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL COBEY, SUSAN Ohio State University Department of Entomology 1735 Neil Avenue Columbus, OH Voice: (614)292-7928 Fax: (614)292-2180 Email: scobey@magnue.acs.ohio-state.edu Expertise: Research in bee breeding, instrumental insemination & natural control of parasites. HONEY BEE INSEMINATION SERVICE 7417 Hayden Run Road Amlin, OH 43002 Voice/Fax: (614)777-9687 Expertise: Business of Production and Sales of Insemination Equipment, Instruction, Sales and Consultation. UNITED STATES - EAST ADAMS, DAVID S. 2896 Reynolds Road Bartow, FL 33830 Voice: (813)537-1155 Expertise: Commercial Beekeeper in ccentral Florida running about 2600 colonies. Currently working to establish shipping and sales of queens and queen cells from the ARS-YC1 line. UNITED STATES - WEST No listings at this time RESEARCHERS / EXPERIMENTATION AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND VAN EATON, CLIFF Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries MAF Quality Management Private Bag Tauranga, New Zealand Email: vaneatonc@tauranga.mafqual.govt.nz Interests: Kiwi Fruit, Writing, Bee Diseases, Certifications, Bee Consulting Expertise: Apicultural Advisory Officer; Familiar with Viet Nam, Solomon Islands and New Guinea. CANADA CLARK, KERRY 1201 103rd Avenue Dawson Creek, B.C. V1G 4J2 Canada Voice: (604)784-2225 Fax: (604)784-2299 Expertise: Extension & Regulatory activities. Research on Tracheal Mites & recommendations for Varroa Control. Apicultural Specialists. CURRIE, DR. BOB Email: rwcurrie@bldgagic.lan.umanitoba.ca Expertise: Canadian Apicultural Researcher DAVIS, DR. ART Fax: (306)966-4461 Expertise: Canadian Apicultural Researcher LUI, DR. STEPHEN Fax: (403)354-8171 Expertise: Canadian Apicultural Researcher MACKENZIE, DR. KENNA ELENE Research Scientist Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada Research Centre, 32 Main street Kentville, Nova Scotia B4N 1J5 Canada Email: mackenziek@em.agr.ca Email: k_mackenzie@nsrske.agr.ca Voice: (902)679-5731 Fax: (902)679-2311 Interests: Research interests include applied pollination of fruit crops especially lowbush blueberry; management of honey bees, leafcutter bees and bumblebees for crop pollination, pesticide/pollinator interactions, and the role of native bees in crop pollination. MCKENNA, DENNIS Voice: (403)835-6697 Canadian Apicultural Researcher NELSON, DONALD L., PhD. Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada Northern Agricultural Research Centre Box 25, Beaverlodge, Alberta Canada T0H 0C0 Email: nelsond@abrsbl.agr.ca Voice: (403)354-2212 Fax: (403)354-7181 Expertise: Research Scientist working in Honey Bee Management, Wintering, Tracheal Mite Control. ELISA for HBTM detection. SZABO, DR. TIBOR Fax: (519)832-0442 Canadian Apicultural Researcher EUROPE BUCKFAST ABBEY Buckfastleigh Devon TQ11 0EE Voice: Buckfastleigh (0364)643301 Expertise: Involved in bee breeding. Currently run 320 honey production colonies and 520 virgins at an isolation mating station. HABERL, MICHAEL Email: haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de Interests: Hobby Beekeeping and Research Expertise: Interested in intra- and intercolonial genetic structure of honey bees; mating biology, working with DNA fingerprinting. HICKS, BR. LAURENCE Buckfast Abbey Buckfastleigh Devon TQ11 0EE Voice: Buckfastleigh (0364)643301 Expertise: Head of Bee Department at Buckfast Abbey PTACEK, DR. VLADIMIR Fac. Sci. Masaryk University Kotlarska 2, 611 37 Brno, Czech Republic Email: ptacek@sci.muni.cz Interests: Bee Biology, Honey Bees, Solitary Bees, Bumble Bees, Biology and Management, Pollination and Seed Production. THOMAS, HANS-ULRICH Zekppelinstr, 31 8057 Zurich, Switzerland Voice: (41)362 5761 (Private) Voice: (41)633 11 11 (Business) Fax: (41)633 10 77 Email: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Interests: Will photocopy or scan articles from scientific journals Expeertise: Access to 2 major University Library Files MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA DE JONG, DR. DAVID Depto. de Genetic FaF-C. de Medicina, USP 14.049-900 Ribeirao Preto, jS SP Brasil Email: genebee.so@sol.fmrp.usp.br Expertise: Professor. Teaches Genetics & Ecology/Evolution. Honeybee research on Varroa and AHB. TOLEDO, VAGNER University of Maringa DZO Colombo, AV., 5790 87020-900 Maringa-PR-Brazil Voice: (044)2262727 r.319 Fax: (044)2222754 Email: vgtoledo.brfuem@uicvm.uic.edu Interests: Beeswax Management MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL ADAMS, KEN 1019 Wabash Avenue Lafayette, IN 47905-1058 Email: kla@cc.purdue.edu Voice: (317)742-8711 Interests: Bee Disease/Treatment, Colony Management, Marketing, Labor Saving Devices Expertise: Sideline Apiaries, Chemistry & Computer Sciences BRYANT, VAUGHN M., JR. Professor and Head Department of Anthropology Texas A & M University College Station, TX 77843-3452 Email: vbryant@tamu.edu Interests: Co-author of 'POLLEN FLORA OF THE SOUTHEASTERN U.S." Pollen and Honey studies Expertise: Archaeological Palynology and Melissopalynology COBEY, SUSAN Ohio State University Department of Entomology 1735 Neil Avenue Columbus, OH Voice: (614)292-7928 Fax: (614)292-2180 Email: scobey@magnue.acs.ohio-state.edu Expertise: Research in bee breeding, instrumental insemination & natural control of parasites. DAY, LIZ 1207 Golden Hill Drive Indianapolis, IN 46208 Email: lday@indy.net Interests: Identification of Bombus, making this information available to lay people. Expertise: M.S. University of Illinois, Chicago GILBERT, JACK 4402 Balcones Drive Austin, TX 78731 Voice/Fax: (512)454-1091 Email: jgilbert@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Organic Chemistry, Pesticides & Pheromones NABORS, RAY P.O. Box 1001 Caruthersville, MO 63830 Voice: (314)333-0258 Fax: (314)333-0259 Email: pemiscot@ext.missouri.edu Interests: Teaching and Research SAMMATARO, DIANA Department of Entomology Ohio State University 1735 Neil Road Columbus, OH 43210-1220 Voice: (614)292-9089 Fax: (614)292-2180 Email: dsammata@magnus.acs. ohio-state.edu Expertise: Bee Research, Writing UNITED STATES - EAST DELAPLANE, DR. KEITH S. Cooperative Extension Service The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Voice: (706)542-1765 Fax: (706)542-3872 Email: ksd@uga.cc.uga.edu Interests: Teaching and Research; Bee Biology, Management & Parasite Control. Expertise: Assistant Professor of Entomology FINKELSTEIN, ADAM Entomology Department VA Tech 307 Price Hall Blacksburg, VA 24061-0319 Voice: (703)231-6341 Email: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Expertise: Graduate Student Interests: FAQ Maintainer of sci.agriculture.beekeeping online newsgroup IANNUZZI, JOHN(JACK THE B), PhD. RR 8 9772 Old Annapolis Road Ellicott City, MD 21042 Email: ji0079@epflz.epflbalto.org Interests: Owner of Howard Honey Farms. Involved with honey bee products, Apitherapy and Writing of Beekeeping Related Articles. UNITED STATES - WEST CABRAL, KATHLEEN 1104 12th Street Modesto, CA 95354 Voice: (209)549-8262 Fax: (209)549-8267 Email: 74201,474@compuserve.com Expertise: Board laison to beekeeping industry on issues of common concern for the California Almond Board. Director of Industry Services. NESSON, MICHAEL Department of Biochem/Biophys. Oregon State University Corvalis, OR 97331-7305 Voice: (503)737-1866 Fax: (503)737-0481 Email: nessonm@bcc.orst.edu Expertise: Bees & Magnetic Fields. Removal of Bees >from structures and Bee Trees TUTTLE APIARIES 3030 Lewis River Road Woodland, WA 98674 Voice: (360)225-9631 Interests: Mite Prevention Expertise: Developer of Natural Mite Treatment Products Approved for U.S. Beekeepers WENNER, DR. ADRIAN Department of Biology University of California Santa Barbara, CA 93106 Voice: (805)893-2338 (Office) Voice: (805)893-2838 (Lab) Fax: (805)893-4724 Email: wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu Interests: Research Expertise: Professor Emeritus (Natural History) SIDELINE BEEKEEPERS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND No listings at this time CANADA No listings at this time EUROPE No listings at this time MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL ADAMS, KEN 1019 Wabash Avenue Lafayette, IN 47905-1058 Email: kla@cc.purdue.edu Voice: (317)742-8711 Interests: Bee Disease/Treatment, Colony Management, Marketing, Labor Saving Devices Expertise: Sideline Apiaries, Chemistry & Computer Sciences ELSTON, TOM RR1, Box 346-D Bloomington, IL 61704-9752 Email: bunda346@aol.com Interests: Sideline beekeeper with 50 colonies Expertise: 20 years beekeeping experience. KAIN, SHARON K. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: 74134,2617@compuserve.com Interests: Apitherapy, Sideline Beekeeping, Sales and Marketing of Small Agricultural Products KAIN, STAN G. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: stankain@delphi.com CompuServe I.D.: 74134,2617 Interests: Sales of beekeeping Equipment for Hobbyists, Computer Information Sources, Sideline Beekeeping, Comb Honey Production Expertise: Freelance Writer, Computer Consultant, Information Services SHOEMAKER, JIM 5160 South Western Brookline, MO Voice: (417)887-0225 Email: jshoemak@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us Expertise: Operates 50 colonies of honey bees. Teaches beekeeping at local library. UNITED STATES - EAST BELL, RON 12168 Frederick Road Thurmont, MD 21788-2537 Email: bellr@wrair-emhl.army.mil CompuServe I.D.: 74732,1425 Expertise: Researcher at Walter Reed Army Hospital. Research in diagnosis/detection of viral infections or biological toxins. Trained as Veterinary Pathologist. Interests: With wife, runs Frederick Honey Company MERRILL, BRIAN G. Ellie-Bee Apiaries 61 Calumet Street Depew, NY 14043 Voice: (716)683-1062 Email: 71224,475@compuserve.com Interests: Sideline Beekeeping with 75-200 colonies in western New York. UNITED STATES - WEST No listings at this time WRITERS / PUBLISHERS / PUBLICATIONS AFRICA No listings at this time ASIA No listings at this time AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND VAN EATON, CLIFF Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries MAF Quality Management Private Bag Tauranga, New Zealand Email: vaneatonc@tauranga.mafqual.govt.nz Interests: Kiwi Fruit, Writing, Bee Diseases, Certifications, Bee Consulting Expertise: Apicultural Advisory Officer; Familiar with Viet Nam, Solomon Islands and New Guinea. CANADA CHAPLEAU, JEAN-PIERRE 1982, rang 8, St. Adrien, Quebec, Canada J0A n1C0 Voice: (819)828-3396 Email: 73642,244@compuserve.com Interests: Bee Breeding Expertise: Vice President, Canadian Honey Council, President of the Quebec Beekeepers Federation (1995). Works with "L'ABEILLE" (Provincial Bee Magazine). HYDE, HARVEY RR #2 Cornwall Prince Edward Island, Canada C0A-1H0 Voice: (902)566-2228 Email: hhyde@bud.peinet.pe.ca Interests: Hobby Beekeeping Expertise: Editor of Local Beekeepers Cooperative Newsletter SIMICS, MICHAEL #204, 1331 - 15th Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T3C 0X8 Voice/Fax: (403)541-1877 Interests: Honey Bee venom collection. Vespid venom collection. Writing and publishing of books related to venom and collection. Also working with apitherapy. Sells venom and collection equipment. EUROPE POLUS, MR. PIERRE Rue de Rome 12 B-6940 Grandhain, Belgium Voice: +32(0)86-21 11 83 Expertise: Treasurer of the Provincial federation of beekeeping in Wallonia(U.F.P.W.A.); Secretary-Treasurer of the Federation provinciale d'apiculture du Luxembourg. Interests: Involved in queen breeding, teaching of beekeeping and the publication of 'LA BELGIQUE APICOLE." MEXICO / CEN. AMERICA / S. AMERICA No listings at this time MIDDLE EAST No listings at this time UNITED STATES - CENTRAL AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL 51 South Second Street Hamilton, IL 62341 Voice: (217)847-3324 Fax: (217)847-3660 Interests: Monthly Beekeeping Magazine BEE CULTURE MAGAZINE 623 West Liberty Street Medina, OH 44258-0706 Voice: (800)289-7668 Fax: (216)725-5624 Email: bculture@aol.com Interests: All aspects of beekeeping Expertise: Beekeeping Publications, Equipment BRYANT, VAUGHN M., JR. Professor and Head Department of Anthropology Texas A & M University College Station, TX 77843-3452 Email: vbryant@tamu.edu Interests: Co-author of 'POLLEN FLORA OF THE SOUTHEASTERN U.S." Pollen and Honey studies Expertise: Archaeological Palynology and Melissopalynology FLOTTUM, KIM 623 West Liberty Street Medina, OH 44258-0706 Voice: (800)289-7668 Fax:(216)725-5624 Email: bculture@aol.com Expertise: Editor of Bee Culture magazine GRAHAM, JOE Dadant & Sons, Inc. 51 South Second Street Hamilton, IL 62341 Voice: (217)847-3324 Fax: (217)847-3660 Expertise: Editor of American Bee Journal magazine KAIN, STAN G. 763 East 420th Road Bolivar, MO 65613 Voice/Fax: (417)777-4014 Email: stankain@delphi.com CompuServe I.D.: 74134,2617 Interests: Sales of Beekeeping Equipment for Hobbyists, Computer Information Sources, Sideline Beekeeping, Comb Honey Production Expertise: Freelance Writer, Computer Consultant, Information Services SAMMATARO, DIANA Department of Entomology Ohio State University 1735 Neil Road Columbus, OH 43210-1220 Voice: (614)292-9089 Fax: (614)292-2180 Email: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Expertise: Bee Research, Writing UNITED STATES - EAST BONNEY, RICHARD E. Entomology Department Fernald Hall, Umass Amberst, MA 01003-2410 Email: rebon@ent.umass.edu Voice: (413)545-1257 Fax: (413)545-2115 Expertise: Extension Specialist, Extension Apiculturist, Teaching, Writing, Publishing BRAY, JOSEPH J. P.O. Box 3305 Yale Station New Haven, CT 06520 Expertise: Bookseller specializing in location of speciality and antique books related to beekeeping. EASTERN POLLINATOR NEWSLETTER P.O. Box 1215 Hemingway, SC 29554 Voice: (803)558-9598 Email: pollinator@aol.com GREEN, DAVID Eastern Pollinator Newsletter P.O. Box 1215 Hemingway, SC 29554 Voice: (803)558-9598 Email: pollinator@aol.com Expertise: Editor of pollination newsletter HOWE, CHUCK Connecticut Honey Bee 86, 5 1/2 Mile Road Goshen, CT 06756 Voice/Fax: (203)491-2338 Email: chowe@cthoneybee.win.net CompuServe I.D.: 72726,1437 Interests: New England Beekeeping Expertise: Editor, Journal of the Connecticut Beekeepers Association IANNUZZI, JOHN(JACK THE B), PhD. RR 8 9772 Old Annapolis Road Ellicott City, MD 21042 Email: ji0079@epflz.epflbalto.org Interests: Owner of Howard Honey Farms. Involved with honey bee products, Apitherapy and the Writing of Beekeeping Related Articles. THE AWARE BEEKEEPER 1115 Mohawk Trail Charlemont, MA 01339 Voice: (413)339-5310 Interests: This is the Beekeeping Newsletter for the Northeast U.S. Published by Richard Bonney. UNITED STATES - WEST LOOKER, MARK Almond Board of California 1104 12th Street Modesto, CA 95354 Voice: (209)549-8262 Fax: (209)549-8267 Email: 71062,1375@compuserve.com Interests: Provide resources pertaining to the almond industry and pollination Expertise: Information Manager for the California Almond Board, Information Services Provider WENNER, DR. ADRIAN Department of Biology University of California Santa Barbara, CA 93106 Voice: (805)893-2338 (Office) Voice: (805)893-2838 (Lab) Fax: (805)893-4724 Email: wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu Interests: Research Expertise: Professor Emeritus (Natural History) -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue May 30 23:14:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: rjenkins@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Robert Jenkins") Subject: Queenless? Message-ID: Organization: . Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 20:59:04 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 9 One of my hives swarmed about three weeks ago. The queen from the parent hive was clipped, so the swarm must have been led by a virgin queen. I hived it, and had a look today. No sign of eggs, let alone brood, but plenty of honey and lots of activity. Also quite a few queen cells starting to be made. I couldn't find the queen despite long and diligent searching, but then I can hardly ever spot her. Should I worry yet? How long does it normally take such a hive to start to produce eggs? From krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl Tue May 30 23:14:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!esa.nl!usenet From: krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl (Knut Rygh) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Orientation of the hive Date: 29 May 1995 09:16:32 GMT Organization: European Space Agency Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3qc3dg$gau@info.estec.esa.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: colpc056.estec.esa.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 . Textbooks advocate the advantages of orientating the entrance towards the morning sun. I have located a group of hives in a circle with hive entrance in other directions than enable direct morning sun without any noticeable difference in habitable behaviour or honey production. Does anyone have any experience from locating the hive entrance in other direction than one that favours the sun. How important is it that the entrance get morning sunlight compare to one of the sides of the hive? I would be grateful if someone could shed some light on this puzzle. K. Rygh Phone: 31 171983610 krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl Fax: 31 171984694 From PDZH97A@prodigy.com Tue May 30 23:15:00 EDT 1995 Article: 1911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: PDZH97A@prodigy.com (Rick Guttery) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bait hive help needed Date: 29 May 1995 22:23:39 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3qdhhb$20p2@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> References: <3q4vpf$20qe@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> <3q6r6b$nfs@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap2.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Hello Dave, Thanks for the reply. Will give them a call tomorrow...... Rick From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Tue May 30 23:15:02 EDT 1995 Article: 1912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!alkham.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orientation of the hive Date: 29 May 1995 23:38:19 +0100 Organization: First Circle Lines: 9 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <801764854snz@alkham.demon.co.uk> References: <3qc3dg$gau@info.estec.esa.nl> Reply-To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: alkham.demon.co.uk I have observed my bees very carefully for some time now and they really don't tend to get out of bed and go to work until the first glint of sunshine hits the landing strip. Having said this, I am sure they would eventually even if the sun were to shine on the back of the hive. All I am saying is that I think from observing the bees closely that it really is almost like a visual alarm bell ... indeed to the extent that on cloudy days they will go to work later! -- Dave From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Tue May 30 23:15:04 EDT 1995 Article: 1913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gw2.att.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news3.near.net!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying Worker Solution Date: 30 May 1995 05:36:51 GMT Organization: bc hydro Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3qeatj$5aa@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: line25.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL I am responding to the beekeeper with the laying worker problem. You can save the hive you have by introducing a new queen, but first you must get rid of the laying worker. One way to do this is to move the hive, super at a time, full of bees, about 30 feet away at least, shake all the bees out on the ground, and put the empty supers back at the original location. The theory is that the laying worker will not make it back to the hive, being heavy with eggs, and the bees will return to the hive so that the introduction of a new queen will then work. You could also introduce a queen cell from a hive about to swarm, or just a frame of new eggs. The new queen or queen cell will yield faster results. Make sure you introduce within a few hours of shaking the bees. good luck From bill_fernihough@mindlink.bc.ca Tue May 30 23:15:06 EDT 1995 Article: 1914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!gw2.att.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news3.near.net!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!news From: bill fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orientation of the hive Date: 30 May 1995 05:40:48 GMT Organization: bc hydro Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3qeb50$5aa@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> References: <3qc3dg$gau@info.estec.esa.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: line25.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: krygh@vmprofs.estec.esa.nl X-URL: news:3qc3dg$gau@info.estec.esa.nl My experience supports the morning sun theory. Not only will be the bees get out earlier, they will bring in honey sooner in the day. Now, I can't say they will bring in more honey, as so many variables happen in a hive. At midday, you are right, there is no difference in hive activity, and for most of the rest of the day, its that early morning start that makes the difference. From rellsb1@gl.umbc.edu Tue May 30 23:15:07 EDT 1995 Article: 1915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!umbc9.umbc.edu!rellsb1 From: Richard Tryzno Ellsberry Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Community Foresting Forum ... Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:34:27 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: f-umbc9.umbc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: rellsb1@umbc9.umbc.edu The TREE-HOUSE Discussion List For Community Foresting is open to sub/urban horticultural groups, especially neighborhood tree-growers. To enlist, email to the following address, including: subscribe tree-house both as the subject and as the message. (And nothing else is necessary.) Send this message to: < majordomo@lists.umbc.edu > Thank you, Richard, List Administrator < owner-tree-house@lists.umbc.edu >. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:37 EDT 1995 Article: 1936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!tcsi.tcs.com!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maryland State Beekeepers Association Summer Meeting Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <950531165926410@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 172 *FYI* originally in conference IN-BEE LIST on Wild Bee's BBS ---------------------------------------- From: David Bernard Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:03:51 +0500 Subject: Maryland State Beekeepers Association Summer Meeting The Maryland State Beekeepers Association is holding a 2 1/2 day conference style summer meeting at Mt. St. Mary's College near Frederick, MD. All beekeepers are welcome to attend!! For registration,room and board information, contact: DAVID MORRIS, 9309 MONTPELIER DRIVE, LAUREL, MD. 20708-2553 OR E-MAIL RESERVATIONS TO Beefriend@aol.com (TELEPHONE: 301-725-6185) The cost of the meeting, room, and board for the entire weekend is about $125. Friday June 16, 1995 10:00 AM Welcome and Opening Remarks David Morris President, MSBA 10:15 AM Cucurbit Pollination Maryann Frazier State Apiculturist Penn State University 11:00 AM Problems Concerning Communication Dr. David Fletcher During Queen Replacement Bucknell University 11:45 AM - 1:00 PM Lunch 1:00 - 5:30 PM Honey Judging Workshop (runs concurrently with rest of program) 1:00 PM Honey Bee Viruses: Recent Discoveries Dr. Akey Hung in Maryland Research Entomologist USDA, Beltsville, MD 1:45 PM Feral and Commercial Honey Bee Dr. Nathan Schiff Populations in the U.S. Research Entomologist USDA, Beltsville, MD 2:30 PM BREAK 2:45 PM What Makes Honey Honey? Dr. Jill Snowden National Honey Board Consultant 3:30 PM Bee Aware System Maryann Frazier 4:15 PM BREAK 4:30 PM Open Hive Workshops (with live bees!) Hive Examination : Mock Master Beekeeper Field Exam Splitting Hives: Swarm Control and colony increase Indoor Workshop Making, Loading, Maintenance, and Use of Observation Hives 5:30 - 6:30 PM Dinner 7:00 PM Hive Hefting Contest - An aid in determining winter stores Master Beekeeper Panel - Question and Answer session of previous Master Beekeepers Examinations Beekeepers Social Saturday June 17, 1995 7:30 AM - 8:30 AM BREAKFAST 8:45 AM Opening Remarks David Morris 9:00 AM Why Summer Requeening Dr. Gordon Allen-Wardel l and How to Make it Work 9:45 AM Keeping Warm, Keeping Cool Dr. Edward Southwick SUNY, College at Brockport 10:30 AM BREAK 10:45 AM Parasitic Mites: The Effect I. Barton Smith on Maryland Beekeeping State Apiary Inspector 11:15 AM Bee Navigation: Where's Home? Dr. Edward Southwick 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM LUNCH 1:30 PM What is IPM and How Can We Make it Dr. Gordon Allen-Wardel l Work for Maryland Beekeeping? 2:15 PM Honey Adulteration Dr. Allen Brouse Analytical Chemist Columbia, MD 3:00 PM BREAK 3:15 PM Workshops - Repeated at 4:15 PM Open Hive Workshops (with live bees!) Producing Comb Honey: The Killion Method Inspector's Approach to Disease Inspection Methods of Feeding Honey Bees Medicating Bees: Proper Placement of Medications in the Hive Finding the Queen: Methods and Techniques Indoor Workshops Preparing Honey and Hive Products for Shows Marking Queens Marketing Honey Installation of Package Bees 5:30 - 6:30 DINNER 6:30 PM Bee Catching Contest! A must if you are to learn how to handle the Queen for marking! Sunday June 18, 1995 7:30 - 8:30 AM BREAKFAST 9:00 AM Opening Remarks David Morris 9:10 AM Indoor Workshops - repeated at 10 AM and 11 AM Cooking with Honey Allergies and Allergic Reactions to Bee Stings Bee Removal The Beekeepers Library Moving Bees Wax Working 12:00 AM CHECK OUT AND GOOD BYE David Bernard Vice President, Maryland State Beekeepers EAS Master Beekeeper USA From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:38 EDT 1995 Article: 1937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mistaken Thunder Date: 1 Jun 1995 18:39:42 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ql1he$9up@uudell.us.dell.com> References: <3qk1ua$mr2@nof.abdn.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Just a guess, but perhaps it was the vibrations of the thunder that caused the reaction. I know (from personal experience!) that the vibrations from a gas powered weed trimmer can elicit a similar response. Mark From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:39 EDT 1995 Article: 1938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mistaken Thunder Date: 1 Jun 1995 18:37:14 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3ql1cq$9pm@uudell.us.dell.com> References: <3qk1ua$mr2@nof.abdn.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Just a guess, but perhaps it was the vibrations of the thunder that caused the reaction. I know (from personal experience!) that the vibrations from a gas powered weed trimmer can elicit a similar response. Mark From crowther@rschp1.anu.edu.au Sun Jun 11 23:26:40 EDT 1995 Article: 1939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newsmaster From: Jeff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stings and Blindness Date: 1 Jun 1995 07:15:55 GMT Organization: Research School of Chemistry ANU Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3qjpfb$rsn@manuel.anu.edu.au> References: <564034814wnr@longton.demon.co.uk> <950522075518343@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.35.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:950522075518343@beenet.com andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > > What to do if a live honey bee gets in your ear?.. > > This is not an everyday occurrence but it does happen once in a >lifetime. Maybe less today, but in yester year when bee hives were >loaded by hand at night they would at times become very crawly and I was unlucky enough to be stung in the ear once. I'm not usually worried by beestings much but this one time my ear swelled and I had a ringing in the ear for some time. The bee was pissed off I must admit. I was walking past some flowers just as the bee flew out. Both of us were rather surprised as the bee went straight in and the bee happened to react first. Not something I recommend Regards Jeff C. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:41 EDT 1995 Article: 1940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CENTRAL CALIFORNIA Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <950601074504417@beenet.com> Organization: Wild Bee's BBS Distribution: world Lines: 38 06/01/95 Wild Bee's BBS WILD FLOWER HONEY FLOWS ON! Warmer weather, 80-90 degrees F., have started and increased the honey flow's from Central California Coastal SAGE, and the Wild Buckwheat flowers on the eastern slops of the Coast Range. Supering, extracting, and movement out to early melon pollination job's continues. Weather continues to be unusual in that upper level low's are moving through the area at about weekly intervals causing much high clouds and little rain. The bee's at time have be as mad as junk yard dog's in response to the changes in barometric pressures which start and stop flows. Conditions have been excellent for the growth of all plants and fall bee pasture plants are up and doing well. Beekeepers are optimistic and expect a real good crop from the Sage and Wild Buckwheat, but the Sage Honey production was reduced in the earlier areas due to the cool weather. Movement to out of state summer pasture continues with optimistical hopes for a good crop. o o ttul Andy- __ \______/ __ \ \ / \ / \ / / \ \| (O)(O) |/ / -.OOOo----<>----oOOO.- Ok, buddy, I ain't no | | "Junk Yard dog"! | WILD BEE'S BBS | | | Show me your's and I will | 209-826-8107 | show you mine. | | | |--->>> |____________Oooo.___| ' .oooO ( ) ' ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From seavey@sun15.cs.wisc.edu Sun Jun 11 23:26:42 EDT 1995 Article: 1941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!uwvax!sun15.cs.wisc.edu!seavey From: seavey@sun15.cs.wisc.edu (Beverly Seavey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much does feverfew discourage bees? Date: 1 Jun 1995 15:52:54 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3qknom$p9s@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sun15.cs.wisc.edu I'm planting a garden for my bees consisting of flowers they are reputed to really like. WHat should I put right at the border with the neighbors' property, so they won't see too many bees or brush up against them? I've read that feverfew discourages bees. If I just put a border of feverfew will that discourage them from using the rest of the garden? I.e. how far is the sphere of influence of feverfew? . From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:43 EDT 1995 Article: 1942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.ge.com!news.vf.mmc.com!news.den.mmc.com!news.coop.net!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Case of Pollination Failure Date: 1 Jun 1995 22:43:37 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 78 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3qltsp$hvq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com 6-1-95 I often check fields for pollinator activity. Last week I looked at a watermelon field, with no beehives in sight, and on several counts, averaged 35 - 40 bees (all honeybees) sighted in one minute. I do not know if there were wild bees, or beehives placed out of sight. It was about four acres, and was just beginning to bloom. It was bounded by swampland with hardwood forest, so there could have been some wild honeybees. Today, I looked at a 60 acre field that was a dismal sight. It was planted March 15 and should have some nearly ripe fruit. There was a scattering of crown bloom that looked fairly good, but it was very sparse. Fruit that formed within the past two to three weeks was mostly grotesquely deformed, and fruit that formed in the last week mostly consisted of small wrinkled sacks that probably will soon drop off. The farmer, a young man, was very discouraged. He had spent a lot of time removing deformed fruit. The vines had been planted early, and looked healthy and vigorous. There was a lot of bloom. At mid-morning (maximum pollinator activity) on a partly cloudy, 80 degree day (ideal pollinating weather) with plenty of soil moisture, I watched for five minutes and saw only 2 honeybees and 2 tiny solitary bees. The farmer had not yet identified his problem, though he knew he had one. He was just beginning to suspect pollination. He said he had seen carpenter bees working some on the early bloom, and he showed me their nest sites in an old packhouse. This would account for the earlier set, but they had gone into the dormant period about 2 - 3 weeks ago. Thank God for carpenter bees (which so many people are determined to exterminate)! There was a large acreage of woodland surrounding, but it had all been clearcut, removing wild honeybee next sites. I tell growers of vine crops that they should be able to stand still in the field during maximum pollinator activity, and count 50 bees of any kind within one minute. Then they know they are in good shape. Three years ago, in the majority of watermelon, cuke, cantaloupe, and squash fields, we achieved that count easily after placing the hives. Today, the majority of the fields fall below that level, even after we place the bees. While carpenter bees were plentiful throughout the area this spring, I have yet to locate any bumblebee nests, and have seen only a dozen or so foraging. I usually see a lot of solitary bees on cucurbits. These are also very rare this year. I had severe losses last season during cotton bloom from pesticide misuse, and I assume the bumble bees and solitary bees were affected similarly to honeybees. Cotton acreage has increased dramatically in the past three years, and misuse of pesticides is making me seriously think of quitting. I also watch markets closely. The early watermelons from south Florida had many symtoms of poor pollination; less than 25% appeared well pollinated. The last pickings did improve somewhat. Right now the melons are coming in from north Florida and south Georgia, and they look pretty good, with 65 - 70% well pollinated. Very few consumers, and even a surprising number of growers don't know why the melons are of such poor quality. This young man did everything right, except pollination, and could have made a killing on the early market, but he will only have late, and low priced melons now. I hope he does not get discouraged and quit. We have so few young farmers. Copyright, 1995, Dave Green Permission granted to reproduce for non profit purposes, with attribution. Contact author for commercial reproduction. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:44 EDT 1995 Article: 1943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.ge.com!news.vf.mmc.com!news.den.mmc.com!news.coop.net!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic foundation opinions, please Date: 1 Jun 1995 22:43:39 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 29 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3qltsr$hvs@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3qhsfn$lni@uudell.us.dell.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Mark Dillow : >After being a hobbiest for about 5 years now, I have come to the point that I am willing to pay more for plastic foundation (Duraguilt or Pierco) in order to save time. Is a hobbiest the greatest of all hobbyists? >My question is, what are your opinions concerning these two products? Are they readily accepted by the bees? If the wax gets chewed off the plastic, will the bees eventually rebuild on the plastic foundation midrib? I use almost exclusively Duragilt, as I also do not have time to wire frames. Duragilt will not be rebuilt by the bees, after the plastic is exposed. A wired frame is still the best, though I don't have too many left. I haven't compared prices lately, but isn't Duragilt about the same as wired foundation? I was given a dozen Pierco frames by a sales rep about four years ago. I placed one each in the center of brood nests of a dozen hives. Only a couple have ever been drawn. The rest still sit there, unused. Would you like them? They are also very brittle in cold weather. Sorry Pierco folks. I know you try. Try a few and see if they work for you. Good luck. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu Sun Jun 11 23:26:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!aplcenmp!larryk From: larryk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (LA Kellogg lawrence a 2023833558) Subject: Ride Needed to Maryland Beekeeper's Meeting Message-ID: Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:23:56 GMT Lines: 8 Hello, My car is dead and I need a ride to the Maryland State Beekeepers Meeting. I live in the Silver Spring area. I'll split the gas. Drop me a note or call (301)-593-7471. Regards, Larry Kellogg From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sun Jun 11 23:26:45 EDT 1995 Article: 1945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much does feverfew discourage bees? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 07:31:09 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <173B169C1S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3qknom$p9s@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3qknom$p9s@spool.cs.wisc.edu> seavey@sun15.cs.wisc.edu (Beverly Seavey) writes: > >I'm planting a garden for my bees consisting of flowers they are >reputed to really like. WHat should I put right at the border with >the neighbors' property, so they won't see too many bees or >brush up against them? > A fence! ;) From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:46 EDT 1995 Article: 1946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Case of Pollination Failure Date: 3 Jun 1995 15:44:54 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 37 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3qqe3m$gd1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3qoq43$mda@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel): > That is a sad story, about the young farmer and the crop failure. Is there a moral to the story? Do we need to improve our pollination education? The extent of knowledge on pollination, even of many involved in agriculture is a general impression that bees are good, but little knowledge of specifics. You can go to many markets and immediately identify half - pollinated, poor quality produce. You'd be amazed how even extension agents will see a poorly pollinated squash, cuke, or melon and immediately identify dry weather as the culprit. Of course I hadn't told them that it was from an irrigated field. Some crops you can't see the loss so clearly, but you can taste it. Much of the fruit that you think isn't ripe, isn't ripe because it can't ripen; it is only partly pollinated. Had any starchy apples lately? Count the seeds. Threw away the last cantaloupe without finishing it? A study a few years back comparing cantaloupe fields stocked at one hive per acre, and three hives per acre, showed almost seven tons per acre more production with the higher rate. Interestingly a large part of this weight was in sugar. Yup, the bees put the sweetness in! Well actually the pollination process releases the chemicals that cause growth and ripening. If only half the seeds are pollinated...... They say, the bee goes to the flower, and the fruit SETS. What kind of fruit? I want a quality fruit. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From scheuren@stpt.usf.edu Sun Jun 11 23:26:48 EDT 1995 Article: 1947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!darwin.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!bayflash!scheuren From: "John Scheuren (ADM)" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,alt.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WANTED MINATURE HEDGEHOGS (BREEDING STOCK) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:49:58 -0400 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 1 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: scheuren@bayflash In-Reply-To: Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:3141 alt.agriculture.fruit:400 sci.agriculture:5068 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:1947 I think I saw some at TOYS R US, some had rips, but most were OK. From wier@dolphin.md.fsl.noaa.gov Sun Jun 11 23:26:50 EDT 1995 Article: 1954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!usenet From: wier@dolphin.md.fsl.noaa.gov (Stuart Wier) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beginner needs sources of supply to house swarm Date: 05 Jun 1995 17:35:03 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.md.fsl.noaa.gov Hello all, Several years ago a friend installed two hives on my property. Now I would like to take over maintaining them. We just moved a swarm into a new empty hive. By luck we just happend to have some supplies; I had to make a temporary base and top from wood at hand. The swarm is large and we need to add a super and frames to the hive soon, preferably in a day or so. The local bee keeping supply store (north of Denver area) has closed. Can you suggest a phone-order dealer in supplies who ships quickly, and one I can use routinely in the future? Or perhaps a supplier close to Boulder? Any recommendations for good guide books for beginners? Mail direct to wier@fsl.noaa.gov is fine Yours, Stuart Wier From ccoplan@infi.net Sun Jun 11 23:26:51 EDT 1995 Article: 1955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-nadine.norfolk.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginner needs sources of supply to house swarm Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 16:48:36 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-nadine.infi.net In article , wier@dolphin.md.fsl.noaa.gov (Stuart Wier) wrote: > Can you suggest a phone-order dealer in supplies who ships > quickly, and one I can use routinely in the future? Or perhaps > a supplier close to Boulder? _____ Shipping for that stuff is expensive - I've JUST started, but I ordered my stuff from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 1-800-233-7929 Fax - 1-910-921-2681 Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:52 EDT 1995 Article: 1956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Red Bees Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:21:17 GMT Lines: 9 I added red food coloring to my observation hive feeder and now I have red bees! Not all red but you can clearly see the honey stomach in the front section of the abdomen. I also noticed that they are storing it and it still is red. Nice band of red around the brood. I'm going to try different colors next. Rainbow comb honey! Dave Verville Plaistow, NH att!mvtowers!mvdfv From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:53 EDT 1995 Article: 1957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!mah48d Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.141.220.39 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:34:39 -0400 From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: How To Re-Use Hive and Comb from Varroa Infected Colony? Message-ID: Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 19 I've got a single colony of healthy bees that haven't yet needed treatment for varroa. Last Friday a friend brought over a hive (single deep brood chamber), complete with freshly extracted comb, that had shown symptoms discussed here earlier: lots of honey, no bees at all. As I recall, the concensus was varroa. So my friend says, "I put the hive body in your back yard." I immediately envision varroa mites all over my nice healthy girls, run grab the hive body and put it in the basement away from the bees. I plan to put the extracted comb in the freezer for a while to prevent wax-moth damage, and to flame the inside of the empty hive body with the propane torch. We'd like to use the hive and comb to re-start another colony from my bees. Question: Do varroa mites leave or die when the bees leave a hive, or does the risk of infecting a healthy colony remain? Will freezing or flaming also kill any mites that are present? -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." From jmvandyck@quick.cc.fundp.ac.be Sun Jun 11 23:26:54 EDT 1995 Article: 1958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!chaos.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!news.fundp.ac.be!Newsmaster From: jmvandyck@quick.cc.fundp.ac.be Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sterilizing for AFB (was newbee question) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:22:26 GMT Organization: Fac. Univ. Namur Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3r17d2$4gl@hermes.fundp.ac.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: quick.cc.fundp.ac.be Hi bee-lovers ! >In article , lamer asked: >> >>What is the best way to sterilize my equipment for AFB ? On 5 Jun 1995 11:28:13 Adam Finkelstein answered: > ...[cut] > If you want to save the frames, remove all the comb and offending AFB, > then soak the frames in the following solutions: > Frame Baths: > 4 oz. sodium hypochlorite: 100 gal H2O or ... > 1 gal Chlorox: 100 gal H20 or ... > 1 lb lye: 10 gal H2O > All H2O is HOT (almost boiling) > All this stuff is nasty, so be careful. For the best results (i.e.: no more AFB) 1/ pay attention that all the stuff (old wax and old propolis) is quite removed from the frames : the wood must be as clean as new ! For these results, the water must bee very HOT and the bath time about 10-15 min ! Remove the floating stuff with a skimmer before removing the clean frames. 2/ for the hives, pay attention to the high stuff rooms = frames supports and bottom of the hive : the bottom is the richest spores material : dip it also in the frames alcaline solution 2/ don't pour away this dirty water in a place where the bees will ever drink ! 3/ try to dip completely your clean material (super, bottom, top and new foundation frames -complete with the wax foundation) in a 0.2% solution of lauric acid in methanol (20 g of lauric acid in 10 lt of methyl alcohol) : dip, remove, drain and completely dry before to shake the bees. Each remaining spores will coated with a strong inhibitor. 4/ let the bees without any sugar solution for one or two days to perform the digestion of the bacteria located in their honey stomach. Kneating the wax with lauric acid will coat the spores remaining in the mouthparts of the nurse bees. Afterthat, feed with 2 lt of a sugar solution (1/1). 5/ don't share the material of this hive with another before your are sure there is no more infection ! In my opinion, at least a year, maybe 2 ! Label this hive and pay a special attention to its brood !! Hope this helps. Jean-Marie Van Dyck From Mark_Dillow@ccmail.us.dell.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:55 EDT 1995 Article: 1959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!news.dell.com!news From: Mark Dillow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beginner needs sources of supply to house swarm Date: 6 Jun 1995 18:58:42 GMT Organization: Dell Computer Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3r28h2$m2h@uudell.us.dell.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: maxima.us.dell.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) wrote: >In article , >wier@dolphin.md.fsl.noaa.gov (Stuart Wier) wrote: > >> Can you suggest a phone-order dealer in supplies who ships >> quickly, and one I can use routinely in the future? Or perhaps >> a supplier close to Boulder? A couple of mail order companies that I have been pleased with are: Walter T. Kelley Co. 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. P.O. Box 240 Clarkson, Ky 42726-0240 1-800-23-2899 Mann Lake Ltd. County Rd 40 & First St. Hackensack Mn 56452 1-800-233-6663 Mark From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:26:56 EDT 1995 Article: 1960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A Case of Pollination Failure Date: 6 Jun 1995 17:49:48 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 21 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <802219831snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <3qltsp$hvq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3qoq43$mda@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article <3qoq43$mda@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> camschel@ix.netcom.com "Peter Amschel" writes: > That is a sad story, about the young farmer and the crop failure. Is > there a moral to the story? There are many morals to a story like that, and IMHO we must all try to see as many as we can. I find it satisfying and encouraging that Dave looks so closely at the whole picture. We have here a guy of many years experience who knows that the 'youngsters' must _learn_ the truth. Just telling us/them that they have to do X, Y and Z is not enough -- we/they have to _understand_ it too. True wisdom, I think. I hope I shall eventually match his hopes and expectations. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz Sun Jun 11 23:26:56 EDT 1995 Article: 1961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz!user From: owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees can count! Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 08:17:19 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz I haven't seen this mentioned here, but has anyone seen the New Scientist article "Busy bees have a gift for numbers" (4 March 95?). It talks about German research that says bees can count and implies that they can communicate it to other bees. Interesting stuff, especially when you consider that some human races can't count above 2... ................................................................................................................ Owen Watson From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:57 EDT 1995 Article: 1962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poisoned Livestock vs Old Fashioned Values Date: 7 Jun 1995 02:43:36 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 287 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r3hqo$lcg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com My Daddy told me, if I lived a clean life and worked hard, I would prosper. Daddy lied, because he assumed we live in a just society. An acquaintance suggested that, if the state won't let me make an honest living; I should try crime. I just can't accept that. In my heart I still want to believe my Daddy. But I have lost some of the drive to work hard. I am tired of having it stolen from me. If any other kind of farmer had a tenth of the poisoning of his livestock that I have had, he would have had all kinds of support, and the poisoners would be held accountable. Will you help? I am a pollination specialist - a beekeeper who provides bees to pollinate our crops. Rather than make honey, I am paid for the pollination service. It is a reliable business, in that the demand for bees continues to increase rapidly. Growers need bees more than ever. Poorly pollinated fruit and vegetables are often seen at the market, and account for the lousy taste in many cases. But, in order to maintain the business, I have to keep the bees alive and healthy. Mites and other factors have hurt, but the answers are in my hands, if I just become more skilled. Pesticide misuse is the only factor that is completely out of my hands. The bureaucrats have devised a perfect bureaucratic *solution* to THEIR problem. When a violation or bee kill is reported, they do a whole lot of paperwork, and absolutely nothing else. After a while, beekeepers get cynical and no longer report incidents. PRESTO! *The problem is solved! We do not have any bee kills or bee label violations in our jurisdiction.* As long as they get away with it, nothing improves. I am in process of filing a million dollar civil rights claim on certain officials (ex officio and personally) for refusing to implement and enforce pesticide label directions that protect bees (my livelihood), despite ten years of pleading for protection from illegal pesticide misuse. This is a seizure of my property without compensation and a denial of equal protection under the law. Every time my business begins to look good, with the hive count up, with healthy strong hives, I am struck down again. My hive count is down a lot >from last years pesticide losses from multiple violations of label directions. I filmed one violation at our Clemson Extension Pee Dee research station on cotton. With the refusal to enforce the law, the frequency of violations, and the increase of cotton acreage, I can see the end of my pollination business in sight. So much of my hard work and productivity has gone down the drain. I have no health insurance, no nest egg, no real estate, & no retirement. It has been stolen from me, time and again, by pesticide misuse. I have fewer hives this year, but they are in excellent shape. Will they be at the end of the spray season? I am tired, and I do not have the energy anymore to build back up. I have therefore decided to focus on those who have taken all this away, those who have refused to implement and enforce pesticide law. Clemson Extension continues to provide pesticide recommendations: a) as if label directions for bees did not exist, thereby indicating to applicators that these are optional and not enforceable. Sometimes it is actually stated in such terms. b) for materials which are bound to be in violation of bee label directions if not qualified, ie. non residual materials for use on blooming crops without the warning that a prior determination must be made that bees are not foraging. c) which plainly recommended misuse, with residual materials which will have bees foraging within the residual life of the material. d) which recommend alternatives such as notification of beekeepers to circumvent applicator compliance with pesticide label directions. The labels protect all foraging bees, whether Apis or non-Apis, whether feral or domestic, and whether on the property of the application or off; this circumvention protects only those who have a human defender, and only if he is able to do so (apparently at his own expense!) For several years I have asked Clemson Extension leadership to provide help to applicators in complying with the label directions. I have seen no discernable effort to do so, and the Director of Clemson Extension has never bothered to answer my letters. The proper role of extension is to aid the applicators, by teaching them when bees will be foraging, so they can take steps to comply PRIOR to application, ie: what crops (& weeds) are attractive to bees, when they bloom, and how to monitor to determine when bees will not be foraging. I have a flow chart, which is part of an educational package for applicators, which I cannot send electronically, but which I will gladly provide anyone for SASE I would be glad to answer any other questions. Here is a paper on some common misinterpretations and circumventions of bee label directions: >>PESTICIDE LABELS AND BEES What the Labels Clearly Do and Do Not Say (- Often Misrepresented and Misunderstood) Along with Logical, Common Sense Implications There are two types of messages about bees on many insecticide labels, which are placed under environmental hazards. These give specific instructions which are statements of the pesticide law for that particular pesticide. One indicates hazard by direct contact only. Example: (Imidan -Trade Mark) *This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment on blooming crops or weeds. Do not apply this product or allow it to drift to blooming crops while bees are actively visiting the treatment area.* Others also indicate a hazard by direct contact and by residues. Example: Penncap M -Trade Mark) *THIS PRODUCT IS HIGHLY TOXIC TO BEES, exposed to direct treatment or residues on crops or blooming weeds. Do not apply this product or allow it to drift to blooming crops or weeds if bees are visiting the areas to be treated.* Both types prohibit application while bees are foraging. obviously the ones with no residual effect are safe for use around bees, provided that they are not foraging at the time of application. Those that are clearly marked as residual would logically be prohibited if bees forage within the residual activity period of the pesticide, in other words on any plant that is attractive to bees, during the bloom period of that plant. 1. It is the applicator's responsibility to comply with the label directions. This responsibility cannot be transferred to beekkeepers or any other party. The applicator has chosen to use a material with environmental hazards, in this case hazards to pollinators, and it is his responsibility to use it safely by complying with label directions. 2. The directions refer to the foraging bees, not the bee hives. It is irrelevant therefore whether the hives are placed on the property to be sprayed, or whether they come from other properties within foraging range of the bees. Removing hives from the property where application will occur does not necessarily indicate compliance with label directions, bees may be coming >from adjacent properties or unknown colonies on the property. 3. The label directions protect the foraging bees in the application area, whether the bees are kept or feral, and they protect all bees, whether honeybees, solitary bees, or bumblebees (non-Apis bees). 4. Many crops and even weeds are highly attractive to bees during their blossom period. Compliance with label directions would logically indicate a necessity for applicators, who use materials with bee protection directions, to have a minimum knowledge of what blooms are attractive, and to have some system of monitoring to see if foraging bees are present. Failure to monitor, prior to application, when there is bloom attractive to bees, is negligent. The proper role of extension and other pesticide advisors would be to educate applicators on situations where bees will be foraging, and help him monitor, so that he can avoid violations. 5. Communication with beekeepers, while certainly a good idea, does not release applicators from compliance with label directions, and demands that beekeepers take the responsibility for protection of the bees indicates intent to wilfully misuse a pesticide, which changes violations from civil to criminal status. 6. A public official, who encourages applicators to demand that beekeepers take the responsibility for protection of bees is: a. Recommending pesticide misuse - he is substituting an alternative in lieu of compliance with pesticide label directions. b. He is committing a malfeasance, in substituting a system that only protects the bees which have a human defender. c. He is seizing the property of the beekeepers involved, without compensation, in violation of Ammentment V of the Constitution of the United States of America. It is the proper and logical role of public pesticide advisors to teach applicators how to comply with label directions, ie. how to establish whether bees will be foraging in the application area. 7. On crops which are known to be attractive to bees, it is a negligent recommendation of pesticide misuse, to recommend use of an insecticide which has a direct contact type of label direction, without a warning that use, while bees are foraging, is in violation. It is even more a recommendation of misuse to recommend a pesticide with a residual type of label direction at any time during bloom, because bees will be foraging during the residual life of the pesticide. I have seen hundreds of bee kills from pesticides. Every single case has involved a violation of label directions. NO EXCEPTIONS. If bee directions on pesticide labels are scrupulously followed, the poisonings of our pollinators will drop to negligible levels. The law is a good one, but it is given only lip service. It has not been implemented into pesticide recommendations, which often give applicators an alternative to circumvent label directions - that of sloughing off responsibility to beekeepers. This is the pre-FIFRA system, which never did work, and has cost billions in lost pollination by killing off feral bees and making beekeeping unprofitable. FIFRA set aside the previous precedent. It made the applicators responsible by specific label directions, directions which they often find inconvenient, and have sought to evade ever since. They have been aided by authorities, who advise alternatives to compliance, and who refuse to enforce the clear meaning of the label directions. It is time for reform. Public officials who advise applicators how to circumvent compliance with label directions must be held responsible for this seizure of the property of the beekeepers without compensation, a violation of Ammendment 5 of the Constitution of the United States. *All the world's people can be divided into three groups; those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who haven't the vaguest idea what's happening.* Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From pollinator@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:26:58 EDT 1995 Article: 1963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ORCHARD FLOOR MANAGEMENT Date: 7 Jun 1995 02:43:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 102 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3r3hqc$lc8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Increase risks for misusers, reduce them for bees. Many orchardist forget their beekeeper after pollination is accomplished - until he is needed again the following spring. Meanwhile, he may be fighting for survival from one pesticide hit after another, often these are caused by his neighbors, the fruit growers, who most need him, although misuse on other crops, and mosquito and gypsy moth programs that ignore label directions can also cause hits. Good orchard floor management is crucial to maintenance of pollinator populations. In apple orchards the most hazardous time of the year for bees is now approaching, with clover beginning to bloom in southern locations, and not far off in northern ones. Broad spectrum insecticide applications on blooming clover and other weeds attractive to bees in orchard floors have been a major factor in bee losses, making beekeeping unprofitable, and driving some beekeepers out of business. It has also decimated some wild non-Apis pollinator populations. Poor honey markets of the past few years have temporarily helped orchardists, because many beekeepers have turned to pollination to supplement or even provide a majority of their income. But they cannot survive, if they cannot keep the bees alive. Each year there are fewer and fewer bees available. Mites and other factors have also reduced the supply. However, each problem that faces the beekeeper today can be met by becoming a better beekeeper or better businessman, EXCEPT the problem of pesticide MISuse, which is in the hands of the pesticide applicators, those who advise them, and those who enforce pesticide laws. A South Carolina peach orchard has already provided a $1500 hit on a local beekeeper. An official investigation is not yet done but the probable cause is Penncap M (trademark), applied in violation of label directions on a lush mustard bloom on the orchard floor. I also observed a suspected violation of this type. It is crucial that fruit growers take a hard look at the orchard floor prior to insecticide applications to see if there is any clover, mustard, wild mints, or other blooming weed that is attractive to bees. In some cases a temporary removal of bloom immediately prior to application by mowing is possible. It is however a long term problem, and herbicide control of these bee-attractive plants is the only long term solution. If the material is hazardous to bees, the label will so state under Environmental Hazards, and prohibit application while bees are foraging. Some non-residual materials (look at the label directions to see if the only reference is to toxicicty by direct contact) could be legally and safely used during the hours bees are not foraging. Some kind of monitoring would be necessary to identify a safe and legal time for the application. Other materials have residual effects (again look at the directions) and since bees will forage within the residual life of the pesticide, bloom removal is required for compliance. Beekeepers are becoming aware of the legal protection given to the foraging bee (yes, she has the legal right-of-way, if the label says so) and are becoming more active to seek enforcement. Some, like myself, who have been afraid of repercussions, in the past have seen that the business is now impossible anyway with the current level of losses, so have decided to report ALL violations and bee kills. Last year a New York beekeeper settled out of court for an undisclosed sum >from an applicator who was under threat of a citation and possible certification loss for violations on blooming sweet corn, and other vegetables. Some volunteer beekeepers will be organizing beekeepers' neighborhood watches to monitor pesticide applications to see if they comply with label directions that protect bees. The optimist sees things as he wishes them to be. He lives in a rosy dream world. The pessimist sees things as he fears. He's as sour as a year-old pickle. The realist sees things as they are. He rejoices in the good, and combats the evil. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From altabios@bham.ac.uk Sun Jun 11 23:26:59 EDT 1995 Article: 1964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs in each cell! Date: 7 Jun 1995 12:42:24 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3r46rg$m7v@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 In article , LEUPPDG%DFEE@pcmail.usafa.af.mil (DAVID G. LEUPP) says: > > >Several weeks ago I started two new hives from package bees. One hive has >been noticeably less active than the other. Upon opening the less active >hive yesterday, I failed to find the queen, but noticed that many cells have >two or three eggs laid in them. I've never seen this before. What's >happening? Is it possible that I've lost the queen, and have laying worker( >s)??!! > >Dave Yes, it sounds like a laying worker. I had a similar problem with a weak stock several years ago. I killed the hive off and started again, although someone may have had the experience of trying to re-queen. John Fox From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:00 EDT 1995 Article: 1965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Red Bees Date: 8 Jun 1995 14:00:33 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 14 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <546195763wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk Several years ago when I was testing the repellant affect of various chemicals we mixed green food colouring with the syrup containing the various different brews and the controls. see Solomon & Hooker(1989), J.apic.Res 28(4) 223-227 The result was areas of green honey in some hives (but not all), in the end I extracted by uncapping and allowing it to drain. The green honey filled a 2LB jar and I still use it to confuse other beekeepers who know it all! Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sun Jun 11 23:27:01 EDT 1995 Article: 1966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!port40.annex2.net.ubc.ca!user From: bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maryland Beekeepers Meeting Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 07:30:36 -0800 Organization: bchydro Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: port40.annex2.net.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ Sorry I won't be able to make it this year. -- honey is sweeter than wine From grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:06 EDT 1995 Article: 1967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!tron!usenet From: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com (Gary Welzenbach) Subject: Permenant Foundation Message-ID: <1995Jun7.203048.2376@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: grw@oce216.bwi.wec.com Organization: wec X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:30:48 GMT Lines: 6 I read earlier on the usenet about permenant foundation. I was curious if there was more than one type other than Permadent. Has anyone used permadent and what kind of results? How does it work in a extrator? Any info welcome. Thanks Gary Welzenbach From westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Sun Jun 11 23:27:07 EDT 1995 Article: 1968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!halo.arc.nasa.gov!westphal From: westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Westphal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old comb/honey: Usable? Date: 8 Jun 1995 17:04:19 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3r7aik$l7t@news.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: halo.arc.nasa.gov Hi, I'm Doug from 'Save-a-Buck Apiaries' ;-) So far this spring I've captured two swarms in my bait hives. Neither had varroa mites. I don't know of any other apiaries within a couple of miles so maybe the feral population isn't too bad off around here (near Santa Cruz, California). Now to business ... I looked in the FAQ and the hints.xxx and in recent Bee-L posting but didn't find information on the following: What can a cheap bastard do with frames unused for two years (assuming no diseases) including: 1. Frames of capped honey. Some is still capped and looks good; some is weeping (I guess absorbing water); some smells a little funky (fermented?) Can I put the supers on my hives and let the bees clean it up? They could probably dehydrate the honey again. Or will any fermented honey give them digestion problems? Should I extract it now and then feed it back to them this winter with appropriate prophylactic drugs (sulpha?) ? Should I extract the honey and throw it out? 2. Super frames of brood comb. Has some honey in the corners, capped brood (dead, of course), and moldy pollen. I have tried giving frames with old pollen to my hive before. They clean out some of the pollen and throw it outside, but they don't seem to clean up the whole mess so I end up with only a partially effective frame. I apologize to the commercial guys for this posting; I assume they would just pitch the whole lot, but it all adds up to $$ for me and hobbys aren't as much fun when you are spending money! Obviously I have more time than money if I'm messing with the bait hives. Thanks -- Doug Westphal Ben Lomond, CA -- Douglas (Doug) L. Westphal NASA Ames Research Center, MS 245-5 westphal@halo.arc.nasa.gov Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch ph: (415) 604-3522 fax: 604-3625 Moffett Field, CA 94035 From hummer@prysm.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:08 EDT 1995 Article: 1969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.unicomp.net!news.unicomp.net!usenet From: hummer@prysm.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mitesolution Date: 8 Jun 1995 03:15:26 GMT Organization: UniComp Technologies International Corp -- Internet Service Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3r5q0e$4rf@news.unicomp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unicompt27.unicomp.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Has anyone heard any news about the new product for vorra mites called Mitesolution? If you have any information about this new product send me some information. The only thing I know about this solution is that it can be used during the honey flow unlike Apistain. It souds like a plus but I am wondering how well it works. From jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us Sun Jun 11 23:27:09 EDT 1995 Article: 1970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!big.aa.net!news.alt.net!news.net99.net!news.greatbasin.net!usenet From: jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us (Jesse Wellman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Req:How do I get wild bees out of the tree Date: 8 Jun 1995 04:40:30 GMT Organization: Great Basin Internet Services, Reno, NV Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3r5uvu$4ll@news.greatbasin.net> References: <3r28h2$m2h@uudell.us.dell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wellman.reno.nv.us X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Hi, My father and I are hobby beekeepers, having started out about a year ago. Our latest adventure is trying to capture a wild colony in a Box Elder tree. Have a deep super hive sitting on top of a scafolding opposite the tree opening. The tree opening is connected to a radiator hose, that is connected to a 1.5" metal flex tubing with a ratiator hose also connecting to the feeder opening on the hive cover. The bees must go through the hive to get out of the tree. The hive has 9 frames of drawn comb. What will make the queen and colony move into the hive? Also have some other questions. What is the general pros and cons, hobbyest, and commercial perspective, of nailing the bottom boards, or just letting the supper rest on the botttom boards? The last question. What are the advantages/disadvantages between using 4.5", 5.5", or a full 9.5" super as the second story, with the queen excluder on top of this. This set up is for collecting honey and having strong, healthy hives for the winter. Thank you Jesse D Wellman From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:10 EDT 1995 Article: 1971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Poisoned Livestock vs Old Fashioned Values Date: 9 Jun 1995 11:59:49 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 35 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <855323571wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3r3hqo$lcg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk You have my sympathy regarding poisoning. In this country the expansion of Oil Seed Rape has caused considerable problems with poisoning. Fruit crops have been the traditional bad boys. All these occasions are as you recognise due to either not reading the labels or a total lack of forthought. As the ex-manager of 300 acres of top fruit with 40 colonies + queen raising going on around the orchards we seldom poisoned any of my bees. Until there is a successful high profile case brought against someone the situation will I think continue. This was the situation here until a small scale beekeeper (I hate that hobbyist expression) that happened to be a barrister got severely damaged. He fought the case on the grounds of negligence towards neighbours (if I remember right), first he established ownership of flying bees (as people pay to hire them for pollination they must have an owner when free flying), then he established the right to expect consideration of these by neighbours. The resulting compensation was not tremendous by modern standards but it was sufficient to stir the farming insurance companies to pass the message on to growers. What concerns me even more than honeybee losses due to poisoning is the un recorded losses of solitary bees many of which only have one life cycle per year. These could be totally eliminated in some areas and this could be the cause of a number of the reports being posted ie Where have all the bees gone? Who is going to speak for these bees? Are they destined to become a picture in a book or a sample kept in a museum case? Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From calhoun@aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:11 EDT 1995 Article: 1972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!seas.smu.edu!rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com!aur.alcatel.com!aurxc5!calhoun From: calhoun@aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com (Glen Calhoun) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee vacuum Date: 9 Jun 1995 11:23:22 GMT Organization: Alcatel Network Systems Lines: 9 Sender: calhoun@aurxc5 (Glen Calhoun) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com Does anyone have plans for a bee vacuum? I have seen them offered commercially, but have not run across plans for a home made system. I need a system that will not injury the bees. Thanks in advance. Glen calhoun@aur.alcatel.com From odb@st-andrews.ac.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:12 EDT 1995 Article: 1973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!psych!odb From: Oscar de Bruijn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping contacts in the UK Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:39:33 +0100 Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: psych.st-andrews.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: odb@psych Hi there, I am looking for beekeeping contacts (e.g., beekeeping organisations, beekeepers clubs) in Scotland (Fife) or in other parts of the UK. I moved to Scotland from the Netherlands three years ago. Before moving I sold the bees I was keeping in the Netherlands. Now I want to start keeping bees in Scotland, but I am not familiar with beekeeping practices in Scotland. Therefore, I would much appreciate to hear from anybody who could help me find information about beekeeping in Scotland. Cheers, Oscar (odb@st-andrews.ac.uk). From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:12 EDT 1995 Article: 1974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Date: 9 Jun 1995 10:19:30 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3r977i$j10@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk I want to make some beeswax and turpentine furniture polish. Anyone got a receipe? -Norman From nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:13 EDT 1995 Article: 1975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping contacts in the UK Date: 9 Jun 1995 10:23:48 GMT Organization: University Of St. Andrews Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3r97fk$j2u@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: honey.st-andrews.ac.uk In article , Oscar de Bruijn wrote: >Hi there, > >I am looking for beekeeping contacts (e.g., beekeeping organisations, >beekeepers clubs) in Scotland (Fife) or in other parts of the UK. I >moved to Scotland from the Netherlands three years ago. Before moving I >sold the bees I was keeping in the Netherlands. Now I want to start keeping >bees in Scotland, but I am not familiar with beekeeping practices in >Scotland. Therefore, I would much appreciate to hear from anybody who could >help me find information about beekeeping in Scotland. > >Cheers, Oscar (odb@st-andrews.ac.uk). Hello Oscar! There are a couple of societies here. The president of the Fife Beekeepers Association is Bob Simpson, 17 Hill Crescent, Cupar, phone Cupar 655461. He can also tell you about the Scottish Beekeepers Association (or whatever it's called). I must admit I don't join the societies' activities to any extent. -Norman, probably within foraging distance... From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:14 EDT 1995 Article: 1976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Poisoned Livestock vs Ol Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 01:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <95060718395341@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3r3hqo$lcg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Lines: 118 worked hard, I would Subject: Poisoned Livestock vs Ol P>From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) P> My Daddy told me, if I lived a clean life and worked hard, I would >prosper. Daddy lied, because he assumed we live in a just society. An >acquaintance suggested that, if the state won't let me make an honest >living; I should try crime. I just can't accept that. In my heart I >still want to believe my Daddy. But I have lost some of the drive >to work hard. I am tired of having it stolen from me. Hello Mr. Pollinator Beekeeper, If you get into trying to work with government bureaucrats to protect your bee's from pesticides, bears, or some other government agency's plan's for a new highway, park, dam, or whatever; in time you will get your wish at being treated like a criminal. After all they know you rob your bee's of their honey, and you can charge poor farmers for pollination, something that bee's have been doing for free for thousands of years. And today at anytime your bee's could turn into real "killer's" and attack the public killing hundred's if not thousands. No thank's to a few so called (BS), bee scientists, and regulator's who have promoted that big lie. (Have you noticed that we don't hear to much from those prophets of doom who used the "killer" bee story to generate public support for public fund's and their own personal gains.) >From my own and other beekeeper's experience in California, a state that has a history of every beekeeping problem there is, [you know we have had the "purest" African bee's found outside of Africa years before it became fashionable to call them "killer" bee's, and these feral colonies and kept hives have remained un molested by regulators]. If you want to protect your bee's, you are on your own. For regulatory bureaucrats it boils down to the "Value of the bee's vis the value of the (other persons interests)". There are not very many interests that are not higher on the scale of value then the beekeepers. After all bee's themselves are renumerial, that is, like any farm crop, if they die they can be replaced. It's really the beekeeper's who are at risk, and there are law's to protect all of us, we just have not learned how to use them because we have fallen into the old socialistic trap of letting "big brother" do it. You may win a action to force regulation of pesticides to protect bee's, but you will still have bee losses from pesticides. Because to win you will have to give up something, or give something, like moving your bee's out of the area that is going to be treated.. or covering your bee's, or some other plan that does not work.. We must move away from the agricultural regulation or agricultural law into civil law if we want protection for the "people" who keep bee's. Any one can protect their bee's from pesticide damage now, just load them up and more them every time someone want's to treat. You protect the bee's and go bankrupt doing it. If you want to do something to protect your bee's, study law, hire a attorney, an environmental one who can deal with regulators, if you can find one you can live with, because if you expect to win you will have to just about move in with your attorney. And get involved politically. California beekeepers are less bothered by regulators, and are having less bee losses because a few, (5) beekeepers out of 500 commercial beekeepers spent $30,000.00 cash of their own and other beekeeper's money, and five year's of their time, fighting the state in court. They not only had to fight state bureaucrats, the chemical interests, farm organizations, they also had to fight their own 100 year old state beekeeping association, and 3 of the five were past presidents. In the end they were able to give the testimonies backed up by the courts that resulted in cutting the funding to California bee regulatory agency's. We still have bee law's but only a few [3-5] of our 58 counties enforce them. They still have to enforce the pesticide laws, now knowing now that the beekeepers could at any time seek relief from the courts and/or the legislature. And we still have bee loss from the legal regulated use of pesticides, but it is not nearly so bad as it once was. Most of the time we can live with it, our bee's suffer but they do come back. I am not saying that even a little loss is right, as I believe that any loss, ONE BEE, from the use of pesticides by persons other then the owner of the bee's is a mis use and someone other then the beekeepers should have to pay the bill for that loss. Maybe someday we will see a change in attitude to match my own, but not in my lifetime I am sure. I would be the first to admit our's was not a pretty solution, but in a large state like California it was our only practical one. When you have so many state government employees like we do, it is all most impossible to remove or make changes to law's with out the support of the people who's job it is to enforce them, we lost that support year's ago. The bureaucrats have built in job protection because of the close relationship between the government agency's and the legislature. There are also few in the regulatory, research, and agricultural education that are not beholding to the chemical industry for their support, jobs, and education. We call them dusty's here, they are not going to sting the hand that feed them, just because they call themselves bee scientist or bee regulator or bee educator. We went through two generations of beekeeper's who had no meaningful input into California bee law changes. You went along or were dragged along by the counties and state. Any individual who dared to oppose the system was automatically branded an "outlaw", and believe it or not was given "special" treatment and "special" action was taken to make that individual an example to keep the other in line. A few beekeeper's have been destroyed by regulators to protect their arbitrary powers over beekeepers. The only thing that has saved many more beekeepers is that to date the state has refused the request of the agricultural regulatory industry to be made peace officers's so they can carry guns. If that ever happen's you can bet there will be a lot fewer beekeepers. Good Luck with your action! ttul Andy- (c) Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion is not necessarily fact. From paulp@ims.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:15 EDT 1995 Article: 1977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:57:19 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> calhoun@aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com (Glen Calhoun) writes: >Does anyone have plans for a bee vacuum? I have seen them offered commercially, >but have not run across plans for a home made system. I need a system that will >not injury the bees. I too would like to find out about this. Recently I was removing a colony >from the wall of a shed and I thought a bee vacuum would help. I attempted to make one using a cardboard box and a shop vac but I discovered what I had really made was a box-crusher. A second attempt with a double-wall box held up a little better. Also, my intake hose was a ribbed design (not smooth) and a lot of bees were injured. This was not a design I would repeat. I have not seen any of the commercial models. Who has them? Thanks in advance, Paul Petty From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Sun Jun 11 23:27:16 EDT 1995 Article: 1978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Kevin Ormerod Subject: Catching Swarms: Nuc vs. Hive Body Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (KEVIN) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:34:27 GMT Lines: 19 I live in a residential area and keep a couple of hives in my back yard. I have an old dogwood tree with a limb that would provide a good perch for a Nuc or Hive Body. I'm thinking of putting a "bait" hive in the tree just in case one of my hives swarms or to add a feral colony to one of the existing hives or, in my wife's worst dream -- add another hive :-) My question is -- Am I as likely to catch a swarm with a Nuc as I am with a Hive Body. If I leave it in the tree semi-permanently would frames of foundation attract the bees or would I have to have drawn comb or some type of pheromone attractant. KO Lexington, SC From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Obs Hive success (follow-up) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:12:00 GMT Message-ID: <95060817085244@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 80 *of interest to all* ---------------------------------------- From: Phil Veldhuis Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 01:30:25 -0500 Subject: Obs Hive success (follow-up) Dear Bee-l'ers I thought I would let you know how things went with the observation hive I was planning to install in the art Gallery, here in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The bees are now installed, and 4 weeks into the display things are going well. If you recall, the gallery space where the bees were required was in a stone building, with the only opening being a skylight 20 feet from the floor. We decided to install a 3 inch tube in the skylight by removing one of the panes of glass in the skylight and plumbing this to the hive. The artist also insisted on centering the display in the room, so the entrance tube is about 30 feet long. The hive is a full size, single brood chamber with 5 frames of brood upon instalation on May 4th. The hive has a queen excluder between it and the rest of the unit, which consists of a 3 foot cube plexi case which contains the artifact, which the bees are drawing comb in. The initial installation used black abs pipe for the entrance tube, and this did not work well. We substituted clear plexi pipe (3 inch diameter), and the bees trained to this within a few minutes (the skylight probably helps). Without the clear tubing, the bees all tried to fly around in the display case; once the tubing was changed, there was little flight in the case, and little defecation on the art. We also had to provide a downspout on the pipe at the lowest point (at the joint to the hive) where water blown in during rainstorms collects, and where the dead bees are deposited by the house bees (they could not carry their departed collegues all the way up the tube). The dead bees are removed daily during the night when the bees are inactive. On June 6, we disconected the pipe, and sealed the tube, and hauled the whole thing up on the roof to clean the case, and inspect the colony. We found the colony to be thriving. It had ample supplies of fresh feed, new pollen stores, and 8 frames of brood. Most surprisingly, the bees have developed a one-way system for the tube. Since the tube is angled at about 50 degrees to the floor, there is a definate top and bottom to the tube. Bees walking up the tube walk upside down on the upper side of the tube, while returning bees walk rightside up on the lower side of the tube. Few bees walk on the side. I assume there is some explanation for this arrangement (bees leaving go towards the light??) but I haven't figured it out yet. I also haven't made any firm conclusions about the role of the bees in the tube. The end of the tube is defended by guard bees, but I don't know if the foraging bees walk all the way down the tube to turn over their nectar, or if they do this at the tube entrance. If the house bees have to walk all the way up the tube to get the nectar from the foragers, they must be significantly reinforced. It takes 2-5 minutes for a bee to walk from bottom to top, and 1-3 minutes from top to bottom. Occasionally, one trips and falls down the tube, carrying many others with it, hence the wide varriation in travel time. I will try and get some photos published somewhere in the near future. Anyone interested is welcome to email me. BTW, this exhibit is availible for tour to any major art galleries in North america where local bees can be used. You'd have to contact the Winnipeg Art Gallery for more info, after all, I'm just a beekeeper. Phil -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | If I must be a fool, as all those who reason Winnipeg. MB, Canada | or believe any thing certainly are, my follies veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | shall at least be natural and agreeable. David Hume (1739) From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:17 EDT 1995 Article: 1980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How To Re-Use Hive and Comb from Varroa Infected Colony? Date: 9 Jun 1995 02:07:24 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 28 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <802458762snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk In article mah48d@rohmhaas.com "John E. Taylor III" writes: > I've got a single colony of healthy bees that haven't yet needed > treatment for varroa. Last Friday a friend brought over a hive (single > deep brood chamber), complete with freshly extracted comb, that had shown > symptoms discussed here earlier: lots of honey, no bees at all. As I > recall, the concensus was varroa. > Question: Do varroa mites leave or die when the bees leave a hive, or > does the risk of infecting a healthy colony remain? Will freezing or > flaming also kill any mites that are present? If there are varroa in your area there's a high chance you already have them, if only in low concentation. Varroa mites die after a few days away from bees. I've not heard of more than 8 days, most people reckon fewer. Flaming will certainly kill them. I can only guess that freezing will -- seems pretty likely, it kills most things bigger than bacteria. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From rolsen@ix.netcom.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:18 EDT 1995 Article: 1981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!newsboy.utelfla.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: rolsen@ix.netcom.com (Russ Olsen ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NewBee question. Sewage Treatment Pond Date: 9 Jun 1995 05:41:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3r8mv4$q1k@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-den10-11.ix.netcom.com Hello; I'm new to beekeeping and I have a question. I currently have a couple of hives located realtively close to a sewage treatment pond in a very small town. These hives are from swarms, and I placed them next to an irrigated corn field for a week or so just to let them settle down. However, it occured to me after I placed them there, that the town's sewage treatment pond is very close (about 100 yards away). Do I have anything to be concerned about?? Or can I let them stay for awhile? I was planning on letting them get settled in their new home before moving them to a somewhat more permanent location. Please e-mail me any thoughts and/or wisdom. Thanks, Russ From patmcg@neosoft.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:19 EDT 1995 Article: 1982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.neosoft.com!usenet From: patmcg@new-orleans.neosoft.com (Patrick McGuire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mite Solution Date: 9 Jun 1995 03:46:56 GMT Organization: NeoSoft User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3r8g7g$qu8@uuneo.neosoft.com> Reply-To: patmcg@neosoft.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gumbo-slip-d3.no.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Has anyone had experience using a new product called "Mite Solution?" It is touted as being a 100% natural entrance treatment for varroa mites. All ingredients are supposed to be FDA and EPA approved and the manufacturer claims that you can treat colonies without removing honey supers. One ounce sells for $18.00 and is supposed to treat 20 colonies 4 times a year (2 spring and 2 fall treatments). It is manufactured by a company named Apicom I.B. Inc in New York and is associated with Tuttle Apiaries. This product is "guaranteed to work" and it seems too good to be true. Anyone having experience or more detailed information about this product, please post here or e-mail me. A member of our local beekeeping club just ordered some but I am especially interested in anyone else's experiences. Thanks.... From patmcg@neosoft.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:20 EDT 1995 Article: 1983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.neosoft.com!usenet From: patmcg@new-orleans.neosoft.com (Patrick McGuire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mitesolution Date: 9 Jun 1995 03:53:05 GMT Organization: NeoSoft User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3r8gj1$qu8@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <3r5q0e$4rf@news.unicomp.net> Reply-To: patmcg@neosoft.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gumbo-slip-d3.no.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Manufactured by Apicom I.B., Inc. 1-800-704-9273 $18.00 per ounce (enough to treat 20 colonies - 4 times a year, 2 fall and 2 spring). I have no idea how it works but it is touted as being approved by the FDA and the EPA. You sprinkle the stuff at the entrance to the hive where the bees carry it in and it kills the mites. Frankly, sounds too good to be true. Anyone else having any experience with Mite Solution, PLEASE post or send e-mail. From mjensen@crl.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:21 EDT 1995 Article: 1984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mitesolution Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 21:27:33 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3r5q0e$4rf@news.unicomp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <3r5q0e$4rf@news.unicomp.net>, hummer@prysm.com wrote: > Has anyone heard any news about the new product for vorra mites called Mitesolution? If you have any information about this new > product send me some information. The only thing I know about this solution is that it can be used during the honey flow unlike > Apistain. It souds like a plus but I am wondering how well it works. I first noticed Mite Solution in the Apicom Catalog. I talked to them, and they wouldn't give much info about it. Then I saw it advertised in the classifieds of the latest Bee Culture. I called up Tuttle Apiaries and talked with the proprietor. He claimed that they discovered that bees in a certain area of South America were immune to varroa, and they found that it was because they visited a certain plant. He says he has gone to great lengths to extract the active ingredient of this plant and claims that it kills both mites. I bought an ounce for $18. It comes poorly packaged in a leaking ziplock bag. It smells exactly like tea tree oil, which I believe comes only from Australia. I want to give this fellow the benefit of the doubt, and am trying to figure out how to test its effectiveness, but if it is tea tree oil, then his South America story must be bullshit. Anybody else? Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com From ewhitevhp@aol.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:22 EDT 1995 Article: 1985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Date: 9 Jun 1995 16:16:00 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3raa60$48a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3r977i$j10@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Beeswax furniture polish is nothing but beeswax dissolved in turpentine (or turpentine substitute) to make it easier to apply. Melt beeswax and stir in turpentine until the consistency suits you. You can make liquid or paste. Both work well. If that recipe is too vague for you, request "Super Formulas, Arts and Crafts: How to make more than 360 useful products that contain beeswax and honey" by Elaine C. White from your local library. Elaine or email me and I can send mail-order info (or order the book at bookstores) From healer@duncan.island.net Sun Jun 11 23:27:24 EDT 1995 Article: 1986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.island.net!usenet From: healer@duncan.island.net (Ronald Healy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catching Swarms: Nuc vs. Hive Body Date: 10 Jun 1995 17:26:44 GMT Organization: Island Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3rckkk$s3n@cliff.island.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip17.duncan.island.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article , Kevin Ormerod says: > >I live in a residential area and keep a couple >of hives in my back yard. I have an old dogwood >tree with a limb that would provide a good >perch for a Nuc or Hive Body. I'm thinking >of putting a "bait" hive in the tree just in case >one of my hives swarms or to add a feral >colony to one of the existing hives or, in my >wife's worst dream -- add another hive :-) > >My question is -- Am I as likely to catch a >swarm with a Nuc as I am with a Hive Body. >If I leave it in the tree semi-permanently >would frames of foundation attract the bees >or would I have to have drawn comb or >some type of pheromone attractant. Hi Kevin. I was recently talking to our local bee inspector about a bait hive and he said that a hive body was best. The bees won't move in unless they feel they have enough room. He also said that drawn comb works well. A pheromone attractant may help a bit, but is not necessary. I don't know if frames of foundation would work or not. From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:24 EDT 1995 Article: 1987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catching Swarms: Nuc vs. Hive Body Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:36:24 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 8 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <646157616wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk The best way of taking a swarm is to knock them into a straw skep. It never seems to fail. The more propolis and wax (not comb) in the skep the better. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 11 23:27:25 EDT 1995 Article: 1988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catching Swarms: Nuc vs. Hive Body Date: 11 Jun 1995 02:36:26 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 13 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <49499953wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk I've just re read that posting - what do you mean "incase my hives swarm" surely as a good and responsible beekeeper in a town environment you will be checking your bees to ensure that they DO NOT SWARM and annoy neighbours! Beekeepers who live in town and do not check their bees are the bain of all responsible beekeepers, one could say they are not beekeepers but keepers of bees. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From mjensen@crl.com Sun Jun 11 23:27:26 EDT 1995 Article: 1989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 19:59:47 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article , paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: > >Does anyone have plans for a bee vacuum? I have seen them offered commercially, > >but have not run across plans for a home made system. I need a system that will > >not injury the bees. > > I too would like to find out about this. I use a shop vacuum with a variac to vary the voltage between the plug and the wall socket. Most shop vacuums are DC motors, so by varying the voltage you can vary the air speed. Any control that varies the voltage should work. Then you can lower the speed to the point where the bees are not injured. The bees end up in the cannister. Don't leave them there for long without providing for ventilation. Good luck. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com From vcrimku@sandia.gov Wed Jun 21 23:08:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee vacuum Date: 14 Jun 1995 16:43:01 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3rn3il$6n@news.sandia.gov> References: <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> <173BB926AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: > > Aaron Morris - I have a question. Will this bee vacuum remove bees from building walls where only a small opening exists? I'm turning away a lot of bees because the property owners want the bees out now but don't want the wall taken apart. The escape hatch method is not feasible for most of the built in bee colonies I've recieved calls on and is less than reliable. Any help would be appriciated by me and these bees doomed for extermination. Thanks from the high mountains of New Mexico, Victor From ringetringetame@mind.net Wed Jun 21 23:08:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!ip26.mind.net!ringetringetame From: ringetringetame@mind.net (Robert Inget) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have all the bees gone? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:02:41 Organization: InfoStructure Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3qfpu7$d4h@mark.ucdavis.edu> <3rhs5r$esg@tekadm1.cse.tek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip26.mind.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3rhs5r$esg@tekadm1.cse.tek.com> David D Stubbs writes: >Path: rainrgnews0!psgrain!news.tek.com!usenet >From: David D Stubbs >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: Where have all the bees gone? >Date: 12 Jun 1995 17:06:03 GMT >Organization: Tektronix, Inc, Beaverton, OR, USA >Lines: 14 >Message-ID: <3rhs5r$esg@tekadm1.cse.tek.com> >References: <3qfpu7$d4h@mark.ucdavis.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: juarez.cse.tek.com >X-Newsreader: NCSA Mosaic >I have seen no honey bees here in Portland this spring. The local 7-year-olds >who spent >the entire summer last year catching bees report none this year. >I read last year that about 99% of the wild hives in Oregon have been wiped out >by a >mite (or some other tiny critter) that feasts on bee eggs. Unfortunately, I >don't remember >the source, nor have I seen any follow-up in the local paper, The Oregonian. >I'm both curious about and fearful of this turn of event. What's not getting >pollinated?! >David D. Stubbs david.d.stubbs@tek.com >Customer-Centered Design MS 39-632 >Measurement Business +1 503 627 2627 voice >Tektronix, Inc. +1 503 627 1388 fax You are correct. The varroa mite is the enemy. Perhaps bumble bees will save the food supply, till we get something better then mite strips to control. From sideout@umd.umich.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!sideout From: sideout@umd.umich.edu (Mike Bist) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm prevention info Date: 15 Jun 1995 15:59:40 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cw-u02.umd.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] looking for info on preventing swarming thanks, pat From ajdel@interramp.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!ip254.herndon2.va.interramp.com!ajdel From: A. J. deLange Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do They Know Me? Date: 15 Jun 1995 00:30:25 GMT Organization: Zeta Asociates, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip254.herndon2.va.interramp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:37:49 GMT I started my first two hives just about a month ago and all seems to be going well. I'm feeding 50% (by weight) sugar syrup in Boardman feeders with pint Mason jars. As the weather has turned warmer and the brood has started to hatch the consumption of syrup has skyrocketed to the point where a refill is required up to 4 times a day (hottest days). I have changed these jars with no veil, no gloves, no qualms dozens of times with no problems. Finally my wife said that is was ridiculous for me to come home from work during the day to feed the bees and that she would do it. The first time she did so (today) one of my little ladies gave her life for the perceived good of the hive and it looks as if I'll be coming home for lunch again. The question is "why?" Do they know my smell or my movements or something else about me? I usually wear a light colored shirt and jeans. My wife had on a dress with a floral pattern (tasteful, mind you). Could this have had something to do with it? She said they were definitely upset about something. I refilled the jars tonight with the usual response: i.e. I got checked-out by the guard bees but that was it. AJ From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee vacuum Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 10:24:34 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 60 Message-ID: <173BB926AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> calhoun@aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com (Glen Calhoun) writes: > >Does anyone have plans for a bee vacuum? I have seen them offered commercially, >but have not run across plans for a home made system. I need a system that will >not injury the bees. > >Thanks in advance. >Glen >calhoun@aur.alcatel.com > > I have seen and used bee vacuums that have used shop vacs, gasoline bee blowers, and leaf blowers as the engines to create the necessary suction. Unfortunately I have no plans, but I will describe what should be an easy piece of equipment for a moderately skilled carpenter to build. The equipment has three basic parts: the engine, the hoses, and the containment boxes. The engine (as already stated) can be a standard shop vac or leaf blower or bee blower, depending on what one has readily available. If you have to buy an engine the shop vac is the most versatile and can be used for many other purposes besides sucking bees. It's the containment boxes that are the neatest part of this equipment, and consist of a box within a box. The interior box is a "standard" bee shipping cage (the screened boxes used to ship packages of bees). The exterior box is built with a hinged top so it may be opened up to receive the shipping cage. The top of the exterior box has a hole cut into it to receive the suction hose, which can be a vacuum hose or vinyl swimming pool hose or any readily available hose sufficiently large to suck in the bees (3/8 inch garden hose will not work!). The hole in the top of the exterior box should be cut so that it is directly over the hole in the interior shipping cage, so when the bees are vacuumed they are sucked into the shipping cage. The inside bottom of the shipping cage can be padded with foam rubber to soften the blow to the bees. There are two more holes in the exterior box. One hole accommodates the hose that goes from the box to the suction engine, and the other hole is used to regulate the suction force of the vacuum. If the regulator hole is covered with a piece of metal (perhaps the top of a tin can) the size of the hole can be adjusted so that the vacuum force on the intake hose can also be adjusted so the force is enough to suck the bees in, but not so great that the suction harms the bees. The fittings for all the hoses are PVC fittings that can be purchased in the plumbing section of any hardware store. The top fitting should extend into the interior shipping cage to ensure that the bees are sucked into the shipping cage rather than ending up between the exterior and interior box. The exterior box and fittings should be as air tight as possible, so that the suction can be regulated by increasing or decreasing the size of the regulator hole. Such an aparatus, once built, can be used to suck the bees into a shipping cage, can be adjusted for a wide variety of suction engines, and when one is finished vacuuming the bees, you simply open up the exterior box, put a cover on the shipping cage and take your "package" of bees and hive it as you would hive a purchased package of bees. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping FAQs/HINTS fra Beenet.com Date: 15 Jun 1995 18:41:48 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3rputc$c9i@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <95061420125175@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <95061420125175@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > I have discontinued the file request part of the service to >cut back on the costs of keeping bee's and a beekeeping bbs. Someday >I will put that back together when I figure out how to write the costs >off on someone else. Getting a nice big archive site set up where the files may be put and people could retreive them if they wanted, and if Andy wanted, using WWW, gopher, or ftp. I second Andy's thanks. I've learned _so_ much from the anecdotes of others. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping FAQs/HINTS fra Beenet.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:10:00 GMT Message-ID: <95061420125175@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 143 ---------------------------------------- >From: "MORGAN, ANTHONY" >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:09:23 GMT+0100 >Subject: Beekeeping FAQs/HINTS fra Beenet.com >Hei! >have retrieved some info from beenet.com earlier but it seems >to be out of service right now -- I have read somewhere that it >is closed for repairs -- is this right? Hello Tony, Not "out of service", just a little beat up right now. >If so when do you think it will be on the air again? I have discontinued the file request part of the service to cut back on the costs of keeping bee's and a beekeeping bbs. Someday I will put that back together when I figure out how to write the costs off on someone else. Any commercial interest that would like to have a $500 to $1000 (US) monthly write off to see their logo spread around the world via the so called "internet highway" is welcome to contact me for a go. My US friends in the bee industry are interested and do know a lot of what is going on in the "internet bbs community", but are still sitting on the hand that write's the checks as the bee business is not that good right now. Which is cooperate BS for we know it is worthwhile but how can we measure the pay back when any darn beekeepers can call in and get something for nothing. The "automated" e-mail response system is still intact, but it is automated, and all us computer nut's know that means it will fail any time, or at odd times. I did notice it may have lightened it's self of file's it can send out and suspect that if these files are requested that it ain't going to send them out and may send out some message that the file or system is down. I will be working the system over when I get the time and add back the missing files which are mostly, I think the back issues of APIS Newsletters. Beekeeping looks very good here, but the weather is not co-operating yet. It is normally summer with temps in the high 90's (F), but we continue to get spring lows dropping down from the north and upper level low pressure devils and today we did not reach 70 degrees. We get about 5 days of normal warm weather and then in comes a low pressure system.. The bee's would like to take it out on the beekeepers and a suit of armor some day's would not save you a good stinging. >A big thank you for what has been to now a fantastic service >and thanks to you also for all your inputs to >sci.agriculture.beekeeping. It has been my own pleasure to be active in the beekeeping forums via modem, and the internet. The real rewards have been seeing other beekeeper's join in and share their own experiences. I know that there are other's out there with the talent or the special gift of speaking the international language of bee's who have been sitting on their hands and some of what I say is to get them off their hands.. These internet echoes are the one place that anyone who observes something in their bee's can report it, and regardless of their position in the beekeeper feeding chain will not be judged on any higher scale then what they have to say that the lowest or new bee can understand. TRANSLATION. One man looking at one bee hive, may see something that one man with a degree, or one man with thousands of bee hives may have not seen in his lifetime. And this is important to me as one who has looked a thousands, and should be important to those who profess bee knowledge via a higher education, special training, or government responsibility. Anyway here is the last list of files that can requested via internet e-mail. The files mostly are lists of other files you can also request. If any of these requests are not being met, a personal note to me will get me off my hands and I will try to fix the problem. There are always going to be some problems, as two beekeepers talking to each other can always understand some part of the conversation, when two computers are lost.. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pumpkin pollination Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <95061617072879@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 24 This message was from "Patrick M O'Hearn" <73203.610@compuserve.com> to "INTERN originally in conference IN-E-MAIL on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- From: "Patrick M O'Hearn" <73203.610@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:andy.nachbaur@beenet.com" Date: 15 Jun 95 22:40:54 EDT Subject: Pumpkin pollination Hello Andy, 'Preciate the reply. The pumpkins in question are part of a huge (I me an HUGE) Navajo agricultural project. Its a small part of the largest single farm in the free world so, that why they need so many hives...From the several reply s I got, I know why these people are looking for a new pollinator, not enough money to make up for the lost honey flow. My friend decided not to do it after all. A quick question I have been meaning to ask you...what the heck does "ttul" mean? Patrick M. O'Hearn Aztec, NM From meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!srvr1.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!milo!meschmidtke1 From: meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee moth questions Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.pets.herp,sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Date: 15 Jun 95 15:10:08 +600 Organization: Minnesota Regional Network (MRNet) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1995Jun15.151008.1@milo> References: <1995Jun15.150600.1@milo> NNTP-Posting-Host: word.stthomas.edu X-From: meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu X-Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp,sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera X-Date: 15 Jun 95 15:06:00 +600 X-Organization: UST, University of St. Thomas X-NNTP-Posting-Host: word.stthomas.edu X-Xref: news.mr.net rec.pets.herp:27749 sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera:1340 [Note: posted to rec.pets.herp, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera and sci.agriculture.beekeeping] I was just in the pet store the other day to pick up a dozen waxworms for my day geckos (larval form of the bee moth _Galleria melonella_) The store didn't have very many left and I got pretty much the last of them. The store owner then said that he probably wouldn't be getting any more in for a long time if ever due to some virus that was killing off all of the bee moths. He said that this virus was bad enough that wax worms as a staple item in pet stores and bait shops was probably pretty much at an end. I got to thinking about this and just out of curiosity I have a couple of questions (I hope they don't sound too naive) Is it really a virus or is it something else that's wiping out the waxworms? Does this spell doom for the entire species? I understand that the bee moth is a pest species for beekeepers. Are beekeepers jumping for joy over this virus? Or, are there some bee keepers who actually sell the waxworms to baitshops and such as a kind of sideline to their honey business and thus are going to be losing money? Where did this virus or whatever it is come from? Has it been around for a long time or is it something fairly new? Does it effect other species of moth or butterfly? Just Curious Mark meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu From healer@duncan.island.net Wed Jun 21 23:08:30 EDT 1995 Article: 2015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.island.net!usenet From: healer@duncan.island.net (Ronald Healy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do They Know Me? Date: 17 Jun 1995 19:55:55 GMT Organization: Island Internet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3rvc0b$lvo@cliff.island.net> References: <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip18.duncan.island.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com>, A. J. deLange says: >(Snip) Finally my wife said that is was ridiculous for me to >come home from work during the day to feed the bees and that she would do >it. The first time she did so (today) one of my little ladies gave her >life for the perceived good of the hive and it looks as if I'll be coming >home for lunch again. > >The question is "why?" Do they know my smell or my movements or something >else about me? I usually wear a light colored shirt and jeans. My wife >had on a dress with a floral pattern (tasteful, mind you). Could this >have had something to do with it? She said they were definitely upset >about something. My experience is exactly the opposite. I tend my bees quite regularily and although they are not usually aggressive, if something sets them off, I am the one who pays. My wife often helps me, and when we work together, she never gets attacked. I have no idea why. Figured it was the ladies sticking together! :-) From bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca Wed Jun 21 23:08:31 EDT 1995 Article: 2016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!CommSet From: bnixon@nbnet.nb.ca (Beth Nixon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP! Bees in Church Wall Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:41:25 AST Organization: Stone Brook Products Lines: 38 Message-ID: <950617144125.09381E@news.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <3rqu6d$kg0@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnixon.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: CommSet NewsReader Ver: 01 Rev: 0033 I need help with a problem at my church. There is what appears to be a fairly large colony of bees in the wall of the church, with an entrance in the frame around a window. The entrance is 30 feet in the air. These bees have been there for at least a year. We think we could get the majority out with a lot of work and staging, but after explaining the long proccess (bee escape over the entrance & another hive that would be visible to neighbours in the residential area), and that the comb would still be there to attract a swarm, or make a mess, this doesn't seem feasible. Would a bee vacumn work or would there be to much brood remaining especially at this time of year? A member of church vestry suggested going up this winter on a cold day (We are in New Brunswick, Canada where tempertures go well below 0) and pulling the wall apart and lifting the swarm of bees and all the comb out of the wall. Has anyone tried this before? It would fix the problem in one day's work as you can kill the queen. This could probably be done in the summer if you were killing the bees, but the freezing temperature might make them a little more cooperative, and there would be fewer of them, and not as much risk of leaving brood for the others to return to and raise a queen. Or would it even be possible with a lot of work to hive the cluster in a chamber that had a few frames of honey and empty space in the middle for the cluster? This all seems like a very interesting challenge, probably not worth the work, but I'd like to try it anyway!!! Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated, perhaps there is a quicker way to move the bees out, besides killing them! Thanks in advance! Beth Nixon Stone Brook Products Penobsquis, NB Canada From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pumpkin pollination Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <95061706370580@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 46 ---------------------------------------- >From: "Patrick M O'Hearn" <73203.610@compuserve.com> >Date: 15 Jun 95 22:40:54 EDT >Subject: Pumpkin pollination >Hello Andy, > 'Preciate the reply. The pumpkins in question are part of a huge (I me >an HUGE) Navajo agricultural project. Its a small part of the largest >single farm in the free world so, thats why they need so many >hives...From the several replys I got, I know why these people are >looking for a new pollinator, not enough money to make up for the lost >honey flow. My friend decided not to do it after all. A quick question I have been meaning to ask you...what the heck does "ttul" mean? >Patrick M. O'Hearn >Aztec, NM Hello Patrick, "TTUL" is bbs talk for "type to U later", or "talk to you later". As a rule the more a beekeeper charges for pollination the greater the respect the farmer has when it comes to protecting the bee's from un-natural disasters such as the loss of bee's from pesticides.. The problem and main reason pollination rentals are so cheep in much of California except for spring Almond Pollination is that many beekeepers don't have summer locations for their bees and need the pollination sites for pollination. Much pollination of melons is going on right now locally for $15., and these same beekeepers are feeding two gallons of syrup only because they don't have summer locations. Others are getting ten dollars more for alfalfa seed pollination as their bees well be tied up longer and suffer grater from pesticides. If a beekeepers is lucky in the alfalfa he will make thirty pounds or more honey, but he will also have to do some rebuilding to keep his numbers up for next spring's pollination. Most of the time things work out and the beekeeper does better then just trading dollars for bees, but when it goes all bad the loss can be 100%. Thank God that is the exception and not the rule. ttul Andy- From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:33 EDT 1995 Article: 2018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 17 Jun 1995 10:37:21 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 14 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <410569543wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk > looking for info on preventing swarming > Why do people take up beekeeping without learning anything about it first? Try reading some books, going to classes, joining local associations, finding a proficient local beekeeper to ask etc etc... Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:34 EDT 1995 Article: 2019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do They Know Me? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 07:19:52 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <173BF6726S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com> A. J. deLange writes: > >The question is "why?" Do they know my smell or my movements or something >else about me? I usually wear a light colored shirt and jeans. My wife >had on a dress with a floral pattern (tasteful, mind you). Could this >have had something to do with it? She said they were definitely upset >about something.... > The short quick answer is "No, the bees don't know you, nor do they get used to a beekeepere, nor do they develope an affinity towards one beekeeper over another." You or any other beekeeper are always an invader of the hive and the bees will always defend the hive against an invader. The reasons why your wife got stung and you don't may be attributed to weather or perhaps perfume or perhaps time of day or perhaps your wife is left handed and you are right handed (it's as good an explanation as any) or perhaps you are more comfortable working with the bees and you wife was more nervous, hence the bees perceived your wife as more of a threat, or perhaps the bees didn't find the floral pattern as tasteful as you and your wife. I always wear a veil whenever visiting my hives. In my early days of keeping bees I was bold and brave (perhaps brazen) and worked hives in cut offs and no shirt. I was real macho about it - "I don't need no stinkin' protection!" One day I was showing my hives to a friend and I was commenting about how truly amazing it was that bees had such a bad reputation when actually they are quite docile. No sooner had the words left my mouth when a bee flew directly from the hive to my face to deliver the sting. Moral of the story is sometimes they're docile kitten bees and other times they have an attitude. Who can say why? There is a very good description of how bees react in _The_Hive_and_the_ Honeybee_ (which I don't have with me right now so I can quote chapter or pages or contributing author). The chapter compares the tiny bee brains to simple rudimentary computer programs which only have a few subroutines to handle a wide variety of inputs. The article states that the main bee subroutine is to ramble over the combs in the hive until this seemingly aimless rambling brings the bees to some other stimulus that kicks in another move powerful subroutine (such as: IF RAMBLING THEN IF ENCOUNTER QUEEN THEN GROOM QUEEN). The subroutines that click in don't involve a thought process per se, perhaps because the bees' brain is too small to be capable of thought. And the subroutines available to a bee are different at different stages of development. The subroutines available to a guard bee are not available to newly emerged bees as the new fuzzy bees don't have the biological capability to defend the hive. I have perhaps rambled in this answer, but the two main points are that bees don't "recognise" their keepers, and _The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee_ is an excellent text that makes great reading! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:35 EDT 1995 Article: 2020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!news.iag.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Price UP Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <95061710483282@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 65 Market Report June 17, 1995 Report from California __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some US HONEY Prices for May 1955 | | NEW CROP | | Calif. ORANGE/Sage 53-55 white | | Orange/Sage 51-52 ex light amber | | | | Florida | | Orange 60-61 white | | | | North Dakota OLD CROP | | Clover 55-63 white | | Alfalfa/Clov 50 white | | | | Mexico Mixed Flowers 63 POE light amber | |____________________________________________________________| : Wild Bee's BBS 209-826-8107 : \___________________________________________________________/ California production prospects still remain above normal, BUT unsettled weather has reduced the total crop from Orange to 50% of normal. Sage production is expected to be good, but spotty depending on the local weather. Production continues from Sage, and the Wild Buckwheat is starting. Hot weather is needed for good Wild Buckwheat. Fall prospect look great. Local Sue Bee members are excited by 1995 new crop price goals from the Co-Op projected to bee $0.615 base price per pound an increase of about 20% over the past seasons. ?Why anyone would pay .63 cents for light amber honey imported from Mexico when million's of pounds of US honey remains unsold is a mystery to me and may only illustrate that honey buyers are no smarter then honey producers. Or some one is getting a big discount in the form of a kick back, the rule for doing business in Mexico under, what was the name of that treaty? NATO, GET (your) GAT or something like that? Reminds me of a good friend of mine who also happened to be the top producer of honey in California for several years. He would alway's top the market when selling his crop to one particular packer. His neighbors hated him, and when his back was turned would call him a lier and other things about his roots. It took years before anyone including my friend figured out what was going on. The packer alway's was slow paying, and would give my friend two checks telling him to hold one for a few day's. The packer would then show the next producer the first check and represent it to be the full price paid to the big beekeeper for his crop. This same packer was famous for jumping up in a industry meeting supporting some worthwhile project waving a big check in the air. And that would be the only time anyone would see that check, a real air ball, but we all loved him anyway, may he rest in peace...if it's not to hot where he is at rest... ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduced, Granted. Fact's and opinions, are like oil and water, they do get separated. From pollinator@aol.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:36 EDT 1995 Article: 2021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Skeps - Repost from gardening newsgroup Date: 18 Jun 1995 21:54:30 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3s2lcm$1r2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Subject: Info on a Bee skep From: URWD77A@prodigy.com (Robert Scott) Date: 15 Jun 1995 12:05:43 GMT Message-ID: <3rp7mn$c7i@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> What is it? Historicaly, where did they come from? We have one in our Herb Garden, and I know nothing about it. I would appreciate any info. If I've posted this in the wrong place, forgive me I know not what I do. Please reply via E-mail. Bob Scott URWD77A @prodigy.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From camschel@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee vacuum Date: 16 Jun 1995 03:35:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3rqu6d$kg0@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> <173BB926AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3rn3il$6n@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tem-ca1-10.ix.netcom.com In <3rn3il$6n@news.sandia.gov> "Victor C. Rimkus" writes: > >SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >> > >> Aaron Morris - I have a question. > >Will this bee vacuum remove bees from building walls where only a >small opening exists? I'm turning away a lot of bees because the >property owners want the bees out now but don't want the wall taken >apart. The escape hatch method is not feasible for most of the built >in bee colonies I've recieved calls on and is less than reliable. > >Any help would be appriciated by me and these bees doomed for >extermination. > > Thanks from the high mountains of New Mexico, > > Victor > Mike the Beekeeper says to pound on the wall and locate the place where the buzzing noise comes up. Then convince the owner that this area is right where they are. He says it should be just about 1 square foot around the area where you hear the most buzzing. He says that you can then cut the wall neatly right at that point and put the same plug back in after you have taken out all the bees and honey. His number is 909-767-0854 in the foothills of the San Jacinto Mountains of Aguanga California From nebantam@aol.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nebantam@aol.com (NE Bantam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4h poultry Date: 15 Jun 1995 23:09:40 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3rqsll$84i@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: nebantam@aol.com (NE Bantam) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am looking for 4h poultry people From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:39 EDT 1995 Article: 2024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 19 Jun 1995 21:47:51 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 14 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <589564293wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3s3lm8$dac@warp.cris.com> <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <410569543wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk People do not learn to fly planes or drive cars on their own till they have some knowledge so why get hold of something that can be absolutely lethal to some people without adequate knowledge Don't think I am hostile, but after a lot of years beekeeping, and having been secretary, treasurer, chairman and president of our local association I have seen it all before and I know that 90% of a beginners problems in the first year could be solved by them attaching themselves to a responsible local association who would guide them. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee moth questions Date: 19 Jun 1995 21:47:53 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 8 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <618509352wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <1995Jun15.150600.1@milo> <1995Jun15.151008.1@milo> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk For wax moth virus, I think you might be talking about Bacillus theringensis (that might not be spelt right) which is used in some areas for control of caterpillar. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From cmueller@emi.net Wed Jun 21 23:08:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.pets.herp,sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!athens!news From: cmueller@emi.net () Subject: Re: bee moth questions X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Sender: news@emi.net (Mr News) Organization: The EmiNet Domain, FL (407)731-0291 Message-ID: References: <1995Jun15.150600.1@milo> <1995Jun15.151008.1@milo> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ttyci.emi.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 19:07:25 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2026 rec.pets.herp:36947 sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera:1401 meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu wrote: >[Note: posted to rec.pets.herp, sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera and >sci.agriculture.beekeeping] >I was just in the pet store the other day to pick up a dozen waxworms for >my day geckos (larval form of the bee moth _Galleria melonella_) The store >didn't have very many left and I got pretty much the last of them. The >store owner then said that he probably wouldn't be getting any more in >for a long time if ever due to some virus that was killing off all of >the bee moths. He said that this virus was bad enough that wax worms as >a staple item in pet stores and bait shops was probably pretty much at an >end. I got to thinking about this and just out of curiosity I have a >couple of questions (I hope they don't sound too naive) >Is it really a virus or is it something else that's wiping out the >waxworms? Does this spell doom for the entire species? I wish that it was true. I have been inundated this year with wax moths. I have never heard of a wax moth virus. Where can I get some? >Mark meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu Why don't you contact a local bee keeoper and see if you can aquire some old black comb from him? All you need to do to get your own wax moth farm going is to place a few of your larve with the old comb in a screened enclosure. They will pupate and reproduce in adult form and you will have an endless supply in just a few weeks. Carl Mueller cmueller@emi.net West Palm Beach, Florida From nates@svi.org Wed Jun 21 23:08:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!smart1.svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are they going to swarm? Date: 19 Jun 1995 23:34:47 GMT Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3s51in$8nr@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: iconbbg.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Nates@svi.org Hello everyone! This my first time posting alough I have been an avid reader of the newsgroup. Here is my quesiton: I started a new hive about a month and a half ago from a package. Two weeks ago I added a second deep super seeing as the first was about 80% full. This past weekend, I noticed a queen cell with a very small larva in the new, upper super. Lots of drones around as well. I saw the queen two weekends ago and found new eggs this past weekend, so she is definitely alive and well. First, why would they be making a new queen if they are a new hive and have lots of room to grow (20% in one super and 80% in the other)? There is not a very heavy honey flow right now, and they seem far from crowded. Second, should I cut out the cell to prevent them from swaring or will they just rebuild? Any suggestions on how to keep this young hive from swarming? Thanks for your adivce, Nate Palo Alto From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Dadant Branch Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <95061919145491@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 40 o o __ \______/ __ \ \ / \ / \ / / \ \| (O)(O) |/ / -.OOOo----<>----oOOO.- | PUBLIC SERVICE | | Posting | | | | Wild Bee's BBS | | 209 826-8107 | | |--->>> |____________Oooo.___| .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | *ATTENTION DADANT FRESNO BRANCH CUSTOMERS* | | | | Dadant's Fresno, Branch is moving. | | | | Where: 2742 South Railroad Avenue | | Fresno, CA 93725 | | | | When: July 1st 1995 | | | | Directions: Southeast of Hwy 99 & Jensen Ave. | | interchange. From 99 go East on Jensen, South | | on Golden State, North on Orange, South on | | Railroad to 2742. | | | | New phone # 209 495-0230 New fax # 209 495-0232 | | Hours: 7:00 AM to 4:00 PM Monday thru Friday | | Closed 12:00- 1:00 for Lunch | |____________________________________________________________| : Read the American Bee Journal for BIG Grand Opening !! : \___________________________________________________________/ From mel@maths.abdn.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!Aberdeen!usenet From: Andrew Mellanby Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Vacuum Date: 20 Jun 1995 08:42:37 GMT Organization: University of Aberdeen, Scotland Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3s61lt$akj@nof.abdn.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mobius.maths.abdn.ac.uk paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: > In article <3r9ava$ci3@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> calhoun@aurxc5.aur.alcatel.com (Glen Calhoun) writes: > > >Does anyone have plans for a bee vacuum? paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) wrote: > I too would like to find out about this. There was an article in The Scottish Beekeeper this month about such a device (a homemade design). As I remember it was reasonably unsuccessful - problems like getting the vacuum cleaner 15 feet up a tree and then scaring the bees away with all the noise. However, the article did say that the bees remained reasonably undamaged. The design was a Nuc box with a mesh floor, on top of a shallower box into which the vacuum pipe entered at the side, and of course the end you suck up the bees with came out the top of the nuc box. (All the boxes are plywood). / / <- To Bees | | +-------+ +------+ | | | Nuc Box | | | += = = = = = = = + <- Mesh Floor ____| | <- To vacuum---------------------+ From sielinr@cris.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!usenet From: Ron Sielinski Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 19 Jun 1995 11:05:44 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3s3lm8$dac@warp.cris.com> References: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <410569543wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: crc4.cris.com "K.J.M.Hooker" wrote: > > > looking for info on preventing swarming > > Why do people take up beekeeping without learning anything about it > first? > Maybe that's what s/he's trying to do.... Not everyone has immediate access to beekeeping information. After all, many local libraries are dreadfully underfunded and therefor unable to afford information on specialized fields. So where does one turn? This forum would seem a fair place. If the mood were friendlier. From sanflet@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: sanflet@ix.netcom.com (Sue & David Fletcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Shaggy Fuzzyfoot" Bees Date: 20 Jun 1995 14:41:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3s6mmt$fgj@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3rckkk$s3n@cliff.island.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sac1-16.ix.netcom.com Saw this article and am passing this along for your info. An article in June's WESTERN FRUITGROWER magazine states that the Shaggy fuzzyfoot (Anthophora pilipes villousula) bees are being introduced to the U.S. from Japan. They are intended to be pollinators of apples, blueberries, peaches, pears and other fruits during the early spring. They will work in rain and at temps as low as 48 degrees F. "And a female shaggy fuzzyfoot is a genuine workaholic, visiting up to 337,000 flowers in her 60-day adult lifetime." They are dormant almost the entire year, except for about two months >from late March to late May. They can buzz pollinate, which is critical for blueberries. USDA scientist Suzanne Batra has about 1000 nests for growers and beekeepers for trials in the U.S. "They are gentle, easy to keep in adobe blocks, and survive temperatures as low as 20 degrees F. Interested beekeepers should obtain import permits from the state's agriculture department. Contact Barta at 301-504-8384 or Fax 301-504-8746. I don't know any more about this than what I read in the article. David Fletcher sanflet@ix.netcom.com From vcrimku@sandia.gov Wed Jun 21 23:08:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hackler Honey Punch Help Needed Date: 19 Jun 1995 14:59:05 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3s43bp$mel@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov I got a Hackler Honey Punch last year and really like the reduced time in uncapping. However, this tool produces a lot of very fine wax particles in the honey. I do not have a honey heating tank so straining through a fine mesh takes quite a while and incorporates air. I cannot seem to get clear honey using this device. Am I doing somthing wrong? How can I get the honey to come out not cloudy? Looking at it another way, this honey crystalizes quickly. I get twice the price for creamed honey, but not all of my customers want this product. Thank you, Victor From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <95062017024398@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 99 *FYI* Ok, honey producer's let's see some honey for sale in this news letter I found. Use at own risk, don't know anymore about this then what is posted here. ttul Andy- From: marketfarm@aol.com (MarketFarm) Subject: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE Vol 1, Number 1, June 19, 1995 +++++++++++++ Copyright (c) 1995 Outrider News Service "All Rights Reserved" Greetings! Welcome to the alt.agriculture.fruit edition of Farmer's Market Online (tm), your weekly guide to marketing farm-direct fresh produce, specialty foods, crafts, livestock and pets around the world. On the following pages you will find: Farm Produce (4 booths) Specialty Foods (1 booth) Shopping Lists (1 list) Bulletin Board * Farmer-Based Marketing * Sustainable Ag Conference * Tracking Shipments on WWW * Book Review: County Fair Cookbook Born out of an appreciation for rural lifestyles, a love for fresh produce and fine foods, and a desire to strengthen and preserve agriculture-based economies, this newsletter is a product of Outrider News Service, an independent business based in Shoshone, Idaho. Our bias in these pages is in favor of the small-scale, sustainable farming operation, full-time or part-time, hobby or professional. It is our belief that access to the Internet will make small farms more viable by opening up new market opportunities on a global scale. Farmer's Market Online (tm) has been designed to provide an inexpensive platform upon which farmers and consumers from throughout the world can meet and negotiate farm-direct sales, trades and barters. Each weekly issue reports on farm products, identifies food sources, and posts consumers' shopping lists in E-mail, FAX and print editions. Set up much like an open-air market, this "virtual" farmer's market has individual "Booths" where sources for fresh fruits and vegetables, herbs, meats, flowers, seeds, craft items, pets and livestock, and other items are displayed for sale, trade or barter. There's also a "Bulletin Board" with news about farming and marketing farm products, profiles of farmers and artisans, and a "Shopping Lists" posting space where shoppers can identify products they are trying to find.. We hope that readers (who do not have to be subscribers) will find FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE (tm) a valuable resource for locating farm- direct sources of produce, meats, crafts, animals and specialty products. Those with computers and modems will be able to contact producers by e-mail or their Web addresses for more information or place an order for a product online. Those who don't have computers, or who prefer more traditional avenues of trade, can phone, fax or write to the producer to arrange a purchase, trade or barter. Please feel free to comment on any booth. While we do not screen products, we will remove those that are clearly fraudulent and will report any complaints to the producer. We also welcome news items, announcements, calendar items and opinions relating to farmer's markets, farming, food, cooking, and the marketing of farm products on our Bulletin Board. Send all E-mail correspondence to marketfarm@aol.com, faxes to (208) 886-7602, or S-mail to Box 277, Shoshone, ID 83352-0277. +++++ THE BOOTHS +++++ NOTICE: Farmer's Market Online (tm) is a news and information service, not a sales agent or middleman. Booth listings are edited for style and length, but otherwise all transactions are the sole business of the buyer and seller, or traders. No warranty is made on the products listed. Farm Produce MAPLE SYRUP. Pure. $5.50 pint, $10 qt, $18.50 1/2 gal, $33 gal. + $5 UPS to cont. U.S. Contact: Maplewood Farm. E-mail: TomBaum@aol.com. Phone: 800/344-1709 or 419/892-2598. Mail: 3160 Rider Rd, Lucas OH 44843. SEEDS, SPROUTING. Certified organic. 25 varieties. "Mumm's Grow-at- Home Sprouts." 100g(3.5oz) pkgs. and up. Contact: Jim/Maggie Mumm. E-mail: jim.mumm@harrier.sasknet.sk.ca. Mail: Hazelridge Farm, Bx 268, Shellbrook, SK, Canada, S0J 2EO. PH (306) 747-2935; FX (306) 747 3618. TREES, Seedlings. Forestry, conservation or Christmas trees. Many varieties, Northern-grown. Shipping available. Contact: Forest of the Future -- Lawrence Mountain Nurse From healer@duncan.island.net Wed Jun 21 23:08:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!news.island.net!usenet From: healer@duncan.island.net (Ronald Healy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 21 Jun 1995 00:39:01 GMT Organization: Island Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3s7pn5$e8q@cliff.island.net> References: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip18.duncan.island.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 In article <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, sideout@umd.umich.edu (Mike Bist) says: > >looking for info on preventing swarming > > thanks, > pat Being a rookie beekeeper I thought we were taking appropriate swarm control measures, until yesterday. I walked out to watch the hives for a while and noticed that my strongest hive was busier than usual. As I was standing there, bees started pouring out by the thousands and the air was clouded with them. The noise was unbelievable. This is the first swarm I had ever seen, and unfortunately it flew off into the nearby trees. I was disappointed the hive had swarmed, but the experience almost made it worth it! From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:09:52 GMT Organization: None Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <250375146wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Tuesday, Jun 20, 1995 16.15.57 GMT X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 I find bees very theraputic, a natural form of stress relief. If bees are handled correctly, most of the time you will not get stung, therefore the degree of concentration needed to acheive this is somewhat greater than trundling a mower up and down a lawn. The result of looking through a dozen hives properly will be a very happy and relaxed beekeeper. Of course the penalty for not doing it properly is a lot of negative feedback from the bees (and this can hurt) Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From cmueller@emi.net Wed Jun 21 23:08:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!athens!news From: cmueller@emi.net () Subject: Re: bee moth questions X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Sender: news@emi.net (Mr News) Organization: The EmiNet Domain, FL (407)731-0291 Message-ID: References: <1995Jun15.150600.1@milo> <1995Jun15.151008.1@milo> <618509352wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ttyci.emi.net Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:11:16 GMT Lines: 22 "K.J.M.Hooker" wrote: >For wax moth virus, I think you might be talking about Bacillus >theringensis (that might not be spelt right) which is used in some >areas for control of caterpillar. >Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD >Technology Management Ltd >Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) No, Bacillus theringensis is as it's name states it is a bacteria, which infects only insects of the order Lepoderptra. It is also a viable (live) bacteria with a limited life span. It must be cultured and applied, usually in a water base, by spraying onto the combs. I think that in this case the pet shop owner probably lost his source and needed an explaination. Carl Mueller cmueller@emi.net West Palm Beach, Florida From meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu Wed Jun 21 23:08:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!emf.emf.net!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!news3.mr.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!milo!meschmidtke1 From: meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee moth questions Date: 20 Jun 95 23:26:08 +600 Organization: UST, University of St. Thomas Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1995Jun20.232608.1@milo> References: <1995Jun15.150600.1@milo> <1995Jun15.151008.1@milo> <618509352wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: word.stthomas.edu In article , cmueller@emi.net () writes: > > I think that in this case the pet shop owner probably lost his > source and needed an explaination. > > Carl Mueller cmueller@emi.net > West Palm Beach, Florida > No, I don't think that's it. I went back to the pet shop owner and asked him a few more questions. It seems that he has quite a few different sources for wax worms and all of them are telling him the same thing. (I didn't ask who his sources were, I guess I should have but I didn't want to seem too nosy) Mark meschmidtke1@stthomas.edu From khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 21 23:08:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!tecman.demon.co.uk!khooker From: "K.J.M.Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 19 Jun 1995 21:15:11 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 20 Sender: news@news.demon.co.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <621726769wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> References: <410569543wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Reply-To: khooker@tecman.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 X-Posting-Host: tecman.demon.co.uk If you are learning try a number of different books and select a method that is suitable for yourself and your bees. Two that I recommend to a beginner are "Guide to bees and honey" by Ted Hooper NDB, published by Blandford press over here and with ISBN 0 7137 0782 8 as its number "Keeping Bees" compiled by John B Free and published by the Central Association of Beekeepers ISBN 1 871254 01 9. The first book is a very practical one and the second brings together a number of very good scientific papers that cover the knowledge needed to underpin the practical work. Keith JM Hooker BA MIPD Technology Management Ltd Whitstable, Kent, UK, EC (just) From vcrimku@sandia.gov Wed Jun 21 23:08:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are they going to swarm? Date: 20 Jun 1995 14:17:54 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3s6laj$s53@news.sandia.gov> References: <3s51in$8nr@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov > I started a new hive about a month and a half ago from a package. Two > weeks ago I added a second deep super seeing as the first was about 80% > full. This past weekend, I noticed a queen cell with a very small larva > in the new, upper super. Lots of drones around as well. I saw the queen > two weekends ago and found new eggs this past weekend, so she is > definitely alive and well. > > First, why would they be making a new queen if they are a new hive and > have lots of room to grow (20% in one super and 80% in the other)? There > is not a very heavy honey flow right now, and they seem far from crowded. > > Second, should I cut out the cell to prevent them from swaring or will > they just rebuild? > > Any suggestions on how to keep this young hive from swarming? Nate / Palo Alto I do not believe these bees are preparing to swarm. Swarm cells are usually built at the bottom of the hive. The bees are most likely trying to replace a failing queen. Yes, a brand new queen can be failing. One package I hived did just what you explained. The reputable outfit I purchased my package from sent me a replacement queen at no charge and with no hassel. If you cut this cell out you may end up with a failed (drone laying) queen. This cell is fragile and care should be taken to not shake or bump it. Even turning it upside-down to inspect it could kill it. I do not cut these cells out when I find them in the upper brood chamber. Contact your supplier and see if they will send you a replacement. If not, let nature take its course. Victor / Albuquerque From ewhitevhp@aol.com Wed Jun 21 23:08:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Date: 19 Jun 1995 17:05:38 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3s4or2$f5k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3ria2q$t6t@grok.provo.Novell.COM> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com You said you couldn't find carnauba wax? Brushy Mtn sells it as well as beeswax 1-800-BEESWAX Elaine White From camschel@ix.netcom.com Thu Jun 22 23:33:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!wlbr!frankensun.altair.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarm prevention info Date: 20 Jun 1995 04:52:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3s5k6d$f35@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3rpldc$sfi@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <410569543wnr@tecman.demon.co.uk> <3s3lm8$dac@warp.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tem-ca1-02.ix.netcom.com In <3s3lm8$dac@warp.cris.com> Ron Sielinski writes: > >"K.J.M.Hooker" wrote: >> >> > looking for info on preventing swarming >> >> Why do people take up beekeeping without learning anything about it >> first? >> > >Maybe that's what s/he's trying to do.... Not everyone has immediate >access to beekeeping information. After all, many local libraries >are dreadfully underfunded and therefor unable to afford information >on specialized fields. So where does one turn? This forum would seem >a fair place. If the mood were friendlier. > Also, beekeeping, like medicine, is more of an art than a science. It is useful to read books and to log in here and on Andy's BBS to get some of the tricks of the trade, but there is more than one way to skin a cat in beekeeping. Beekeeping is a real slice of life itself. Bees may be closely tuned to holy spirit itself. Do you think so? From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Jun 22 23:33:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bad Hair Day (fwd) Date: 22 Jun 1995 02:30:52 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3sakks$nbu@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf From: "Patrick M O'Hearn" <73203.610@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Bees and the third estate Hello All, KENNEWICK, Wash. (AP) -- A TV reporter's hair gel apparently attracted a swarm of bees that stung him more than 30 times Tuesday. KVEW reporter Mychal Limric, 24, was doing a story on the science of beekeeping when bees from a hive about 50 feet away suddenly darted toward his head, KVEW-TV News Director Tom Spencer said. Camerawoman Dao Vu and beekeeper Irv Pfeiffer tried to brush the bees off, then Pfeiffer slammed a protective hood over Limric's head -- which also turned out to contain bees, Spencer said. Limric took cover in a vehicle. He was treated at a hospital for more than 30 stings on the scalp and face, Spencer said. Limric wasn't expected to have any lasting ill effects. Spencer said Limric's hair gel seemed the only logical catalyst for the attack, since the stings were mostly on his scalp. Vu and Pfeiffer, who weren't wearing any gel, were standing next to Limric but were not attacked. Spencer wasn't able to say exactly what was in the gel. Kennewick is located about 180 miles southeast of Seattle. Talk about your bad hair day..... Patrick M. O'Hearn Aztec, New Mexico -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:33:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!pirates!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purple loosestrife Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621191132115@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 29 AGENCY: Fish and Wildlife Service, Interior. ACTION: Notice of the Availability of an Environmental Assessment; Request for Comments SUMMARY: The purpose of this Notice is to make available to the public an environmental assessment regarding the release in the United States of three nonindigeneous insects Galerucella calmariensis, Galerucella pusilla, and Hylobius tansversovittatus. The purpose of the release is to reduce and control Lythrum salicaria on Service-managed wetlands and to assist the States to reduce and control purple loosestrife on non-Service wetlands. These insects are not native to North America. DATES: Written comments on the Environmental Assessment should be received on or before July 12, 1995 You may also obtain a copy by sending an email message to Meredith Cabillo at Meredith_Cabillo@mail.fws.gov. Please include your name and mailing address in the message. Dear Sir, Could you send me a copy of this EA on Purple Loosestrife to: A. J. Nachbaur 1522 Paradise Lane Los Banos, CA 93635 From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:33:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!wsu-cs!news1.oakland.edu!nexus.coast.net!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621071438106@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 203 *FYI* CORRECTION TO "FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE" From: MarketFarm@aol.com To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:11:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 In a message dated 95-06-20 20:14:36 EDT, you write: Hi Andy. Vol 1 #1 follows. Where did you find the copy that was cut off short? I'll try to correct that. Thanks. Michael Hofferber FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE Vol 1, Number 1, June 19, 1995 +++++++++++++ Copyright (c) 1995 Outrider News Service "All Rights Reserved" Greetings! Welcome to the first issue of Farmer's Market Online (tm), your weekly guide to farm-direct fresh produce, specialty foods, crafts, livestock and pets from around the world. On the following pages you will find: Farm Produce (4 booths) Specialty Foods (1 booth) Crafts (2 booths) Livestock (2 booths) Shopping Lists (1 list) Bulletin Board * Electronic Distribution of Farmer's Market Online(tm) * Market Data * Farmer-Based Marketing * Blight Warning * Sustainable Ag Conference * Shiitake Demand Mushrooms * Tracking Shipments on WWW * Book Review: County Fair Cookbook Subscription Form Booth Reservation Form Born out of an appreciation for rural lifestyles, a love for fresh produce and fine foods, and a desire to strengthen and preserve agriculture-based economies, this newsletter is a product of Outrider News Service, an independent business based in Shoshone, Idaho. Our bias in these pages is in favor of the small-scale, sustainable farming operation, full-time or part-time, hobby or professional. It is our belief that access to the Internet will make small farms more viable by opening up new market opportunities on a global scale. Farmer's Market Online (tm) has been designed to provide an inexpensive platform upon which farmers and consumers from throughout the world can meet and negotiate farm-direct sales, trades and barters. Each weekly issue reports on farm products, identifies food sources, and posts consumers' shopping lists in E- mail, FAX and print editions. Set up much like an open-air market, this "virtual" farmer's market has individual "Booths" where sources for fresh fruits and vegetables, herbs, meats, flowers, seeds, craft items, pets and livestock, and other items are displayed for sale, trade or barter. There's also a "Bulletin Board" with news about farming and marketing farm products, profiles of farmers and artisans, and a "Shopping Lists" posting space where shoppers can identify products they are trying to find. FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE (tm) is being distributed on World Wide Web, e-mail, BBSs, online forums and newsgroups as well as by fax and surface mail. Subscribers and readers do not have to own a computer or have access to the Internet or e-mail in order to list their products or read the publication, although the cost is higher to receive fax or paper copies. Weekly delivery of FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE (tm) to an e- mail address costs $25 (US) and includes one booth space reserved for 50 weeks. (Additional booth spaces are $25 each per year.) A Fax edition of FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE (tm) is available weekly at a subscription cost of $25 for 16 weeks, $75 for 50 weeks. Print versions are available at a price of $25 for 10 weeks and $125 per year. Write to mhoutrider@aol.com or Box 277, Shoshone, ID 83352 for further information. We hope that readers (who do not have to be subscribers) will find FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE (tm) a valuable resource for locating farm-direct sources of produce, meats, crafts, animals and specialty products. Those with computers and modems will be able to contact producers by e-mail or their Web addresses for more information or place an order for a product online. Those who don't have computers, or who prefer more traditional avenues of trade, can phone, fax or write to the producer to arrange a purchase, trade or barter. Please feel free to comment on any booth. While we do not screen products, we will remove those that are clearly fraudulent and will report any complaints to the producer. We also welcome news items, announcements, calendar items and opinions relating to farmer's markets, farming, food, cooking, and the marketing of farm products on our Bulletin Board. Send all E-mail correspondence to marketfarm@aol.com, faxes to (208) 886-7602, or S-mail to Box 277, Shoshone, ID 83352-0277. +++++ THE BOOTHS +++++ NOTICE: Farmer's Market Online (tm) is a news and information service, not a sales agent or middleman. Booth listings are edited for style and length, but otherwise all transactions are the sole business of the buyer and seller, or traders. No warranty is made on the products listed. Farm Produce MAPLE SYRUP. Pure. $5.50 pint, $10 qt, $18.50 1/2 gal, $33 gal. + $5 UPS to cont. U.S. Contact: Maplewood Farm. E-mail: TomBaum@aol.com. Phone: 800/344-1709 or 419/892-2598. Mail: 3160 Rider Rd, Lucas OH 44843. SEEDS, SPROUTING. Certified organic. 25 varieties. "Mumm's Grow-at-Home Sprouts." 100g(3.5oz) pkgs. and up. Contact: Jim/Maggie Mumm. E-mail: jim.mumm@harrier.sasknet.sk.ca. Mail: Hazelridge Farm, Bx 268, Shellbrook, SK, Canada, S0J 2EO. PH (306) 747-2935; FX (306) 747 3618. TREES, Seedlings. Forestry, conservation or Christmas trees. Many varieties, Northern-grown. Shipping available. Contact: Forest of the Future -- Lawrence Mountain Nursery, Box 185, E. Ridge Rd., Mars Hill, ME 04758. PH: 800-439-9786. E-mail: MARSHILL1@aol.com. 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Phone/Fax: 910-622-2842. E-mail: 73524,503@compuserv.com Livestock CATTLE, Murray Grey. Lindale Murray Grey Cattle. Specializing in heifer bulls. Delivery arrangements available. Contact: Linda Jensen, Box 4, Glenns Ferry, ID 83623. PH 208-366-2670. EMUS and Rheas. Singles, mature pairs, chicks, eggs. Prices competitive. Delivery by arrangement. Contact: R&R Genetics. EMail: RockytopCo@aol.com. PH/FX: 913-889-4495. +++++++ SHOPPING LISTS +++++++ (This space is available to shoppers seeking a specific item or items. Up to six items can be listed. Request Shopping List form >from marketfarm@aol.com or submit pertinent information.) DONG QUAI SEEDS. Angelica species. Contact: Irwin Weintraub, Bx 1029, Piscataway, NJ 08855 E-mail: weintraub@zodiac.rutgers.edu. 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WORLD WIDE WEB: "http://www.infohaus.fv.com/access/by- seller/Farmers_Market_Online_tm" NEWSGROUPS: alt.agriculture.fruit alt.agriculture.misc alt.creative-cooking alt.sustainable.agriculture rec.crafts.misc rec.food.cooking MAILING LISTS: BEEF-L (Send "SUBSCRIBE BEEF-L" command to (Continued to next message) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:33:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621071438107@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 205 (Continued from previous message) LISTSERV@WSUVM1.BITNET) CHEFS ( Send "subscribe chefs to majordomo@halcyon.com) DAIRY-L (Send "SUBSCRIBE DAIRY-L" command to LISTSERV@UMDD.BITNET) MGARDEN (Send SUBSCRIBE MGARDEN firstname lastname to listproc@listproc.wsu.edu) FORUMS: The Cooking Club (AOL). Keyword: cooking. Go to Cooking Library Center, then to Ascii Cooking Library. Cooks Online Forum (CS). Go to Food, then to Cooks Online Forum, then Library, then New Uploads. The Exchange (AOL). Keyword: exchange. Go to Gardening Message Center, then to Buy/Sell/Announce/Advertise. Handcrafts Forum (CS). Go to Crafts, then Handcrafts Forum, then Library, then Business & Trades. MARKET DATA: WHO'S OUT THERE According to the market analysts at Forrester Research, Inc., approximately 10 million computer users will be online by the end of this year. That includes 7.2 million subscribers to Compuserve, America Online, Prodigy and other proprietary services. The other 2.8 million will access Internet's World Wide Web. CLIPPING: FARMER-BASED MARKETING (From Farm Aid News, Vol 3, # 10, June 6, 1995. Produced by The Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) for FARM AID. Editors: Gigi DiGiacomo and Harry Smith) Family farmers (been reaching) out to urban consumers for generations by selling vegetables, fruits and herbs through roadstands, farmers markets and Community Supported Agriculture efforts. By selling directly to consumers, farmers are able to provide food at competitive, often less expensive, prices, while covering their costs of production. Wendy Landa coordinates a direct marketing pork and vegetable program for the Missouri Rural Crisis Center called Patchwork Farms. Her organization recruited a local pork processor, obtained certification from the USDA, developed a USDA-approved product label, and established local markets for its products. "If grain growers took the same approach that we did, they could recuperate some of the profits they are currently losing at the market by taking over the product development," Landa said. Family farmers need opportunities to directly supply consumers with their best production at competitive prices. The federal government has made raw materials cheap for food processors, now it's time to make the processing affordable to family farmers who are working to build strong rural economies. BLIGHT WARNING! Plant pathologists at Cornell University warn farmers to watch for blight in potatoes and tomatoes. Farms in New York were hit hard last year. Watch for irregular or circular lesions on foliage or stems. Young lesions may appear water-soaked. Older lesions can be surrounded by a halo of collapsed tissue that is yellow or brown. "The most effective strategy for managing late blight is to avoid sources of spores," says pathologist Diane Karasevic. "Do not save potato seed from last year; use only health-certified potato seed." Karasevicz suggests scouting gardens at least weekly, searching for signs of late blight. If a plant becomes infected, the infected parts must be destroyed to prevent further disease development. Other methods for staving off blight: avoid wet leaves by watering ground instead of foliage, maintain good air circulation with vigilant weeding. CALENDAR: SUSTAINABLE AG CONFERENCE JULY 21-28 The Latin American Conference on Sustainable Agriculture is set for July 21-28 in Coro, Falcon State, Venezuela. Key topics of discussion include ecological management of pests, certification and commercialization of organic production, green fertilizers and cultivation practices, biodiversity and food security, new agricultural extension models, and the preservation of water basins. Simultaneous translation will be available and field trips to area farms have been planned for participants. The meeting will also serve as the third Assembly of the Latin American Agroecological Movement (MAELA.) The cost of the full conference is US$85.00 or US$60.00 for the workshops only. It is open to all who wish to attend. Contact IPIAT at Apartado Postal IPIAT, 84. Merida, Venezuela; Email: ipiat@dino.conicit.ve; Fax: + (68) 520761; (68) 513527; (68) 510834; (68) 528423 or (74) 523779. SHIITAKE DEMAND MUSHROOMS The demand for Shiitake mushrooms in Wisconsin is "insatiable," the Wisconsin State Journal reports. Sales of the specialty fungi have grown out of the gourmet niche and into shoppers' grocery carts at $10-12 a pound, supplementing the incomes of the state's farmers. "We can't keep up," Jamie Ramsay of Indian Farm Mushrooms told the newspaper. His 500-pounds-a-week supply isn't enough to keep up with consumer demand at the Madison Farmer's Market. Originally grown on the "shii" tree in Japan, Shiitakes have a hearty, woodsy flavor that's exceptional for grilling, salads and sauces. The mushrooms vary in size from 2 to 7 inches in diameter. Shiitake production in the U.S. doubled in the past year to 5.56 million pounds, according to the USDA. California and Pennsylvania growers dominate the industry. The mushrooms are grown on oak logs or organic blocks innoculated with spores in a controlled climate of 77 degrees Fahrenheit and 98 percent humidity for eight weeks. At Indian Farm Mushrooms the Shiitakes sprout from blocks of sawdust, wheat bran and millet in an old dairy barn. A feed mixer is used to prepare the mushroom medium, which is then sterilized in an autoclave. The farm expects to do $150,00 in sales in 1996. Old barns throughout Wisconsin are being pressed back into use as mushroom incubators, according to the report. The state has 20 commercial growers and the Shiitake Growers Association of Wisconsin has more than 300 members TRACKING SHIPMENTS BY WWW Both Unitad Parcel Service (UPS) and Federal Express now have package tracking service available on the Internet for both shippers and recipients. You'll also find detailed information on rates, packaging, billing, and delivery confirmation. The following World Wide Web addresses lead to their tracking pages: FedEx -- "http://www.fedex.com/cgi-bin/track_it" UPS -- "http://www.ups.com/tracking/tracking.html" TATER PIGS AND OTHER FAIR FOOD Book Review: The County Fair Coookbook (Published by Hyperion, "The County Fair Cookbook" is available for $27.95 at most bookstores, or by special order. To contact the publisher or the authors, write: Hyperion, 114 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10011.) At the Calcasieu-Cameron Fair in Sulphur, Louisiana, they eat catfish courtbouillon. Barbecued chicken is a favorite dish at the Rockingham County Fair in Harrisonburg, Virginia. At the Twin Falls County Fair in southern Idaho mouths water in anticipation for Tater Pigs. "Each county fair is unique, a community celebration with its own distinct local essence," write authors Lyn Stallworth and Rod Kennedy, Jr., in the introduction to their new cookbook, "The County Fair Cookbook," published by Hyperion. While the fast food restaurant menus and Interstate highways may look the same across the country, the food items found in the most popular county fair food booths are refreshingly indigenous. There's Yankee Johnnycake at the Plymouth State Fair in New Hampshire, for instance, and Ruritan Chicken at the Canfield Fair in Ohio. At the Kent County Fair in Maryland they sell crab cakes and at the Evergreen State Fair in Monroe, Wash., the Snoqualmie Tribe's smoke-barbecued salmon is served in a cedar longhouse. Stallworth and Kennedy collected more than 200 "down- home" recipes from food booths, exhibit barns and blue ribbon prize-winners across the country and compiled them in their cookbook along with descriptions of nearly 100 county fairs. The Twin Falls County Fair began as a harvest festival in 1916 and has evolved into a six-day event with three days of rodeo. Tater Pigs were introduced in 1975 by the Twin Falls Magichords, a barbershop quartet singing group. The recipe goes as follows: TATER PIGS 4 Idaho russet potatoes, 1/2 lb. each 4 frozen pork link sausages Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Scrub the potatoes well. Make a hole through each one just large enough to hold a sausage. Insert a frozen sausage in each. Bake for 1 hour or until the potatoes and sausages are cooked through. Serves four. Baking the potatoes with the sausages inside flavors the spuds and makes them especially appetizing, according to Blaine Williams, president of the Magichords group. Serving Tater Pigs with liberal amounts of butter, sour scream, hot cheese, salt and pepper makes them even better. Proceeds from the Tater Pigs booth help finance the Magichords' expenses and are contributed to the group's major benevolent program, the national Institute of Logopedics in Wichita, Kan., which helps people with severe speech handicaps. Pigs are also popular at the Tillamook County Fair in Oregon, which hosts the world's only Pig-N-Ford races. The racers, many of them young Tillamook County dairymen, pull squealing and squirming 40-pound pigs out of a pen, tuck them under one arm, crank up their Model-T Fords, and drive around a half-mile track. Then they change pigs and do the same thing two more times. Inspired by some loose pigs on the Old Miami River Road in 1925, the Pig-N-Ford races are now a three-day attraction at the fair, culminating in a World Championship. Mildred Davy, who has been broadcasting her "Woman's World" program on KTIL radio since 1963, contributed the following Tillamook cheese recipe to "The County Fair Cookbook": CHEDDAR CHEESE PUFFS WITH A SURPRISE 2 cups grated sharp Tillamook cheese, or other cheddar 8 T (1 stick) butter, at room temperature 1 cup sifted flour 1/2 t salt 1/2 t paprika 48 small green stuffed olives, well drained Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Blend the grated cheese and butter. Stir in the flour, salt and paprika. (This can all be done with a food processor with the metal blade.) Mold one teaspon of the mixture around each olive. Chill the puffs until firm, about 30 minutes. Arrange the puffs on ungreased baking sheets. Bake for 15 minutes or until browned. Makes 48 puffs. (Continued to next message) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:33:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Farmer's Market Online (tm) Vol 1 #1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621071438108@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 117 (Continued from previous message) Pigs are also a source of entertainment at the Tulelake-Butte Valley Fair in Tulelake, Calif. For the annual Greased Pig Contest the spectators form a human wall around the playing field. "The kids are divided into weight groups, the pigs are greased with lard, and as pigs and kids dart around the field, it's up to the 'wall' to keep the pigs from escaping," according to Stallworth and Kennedy. Mary Victorine is descendant of one of the 60 Czech families that colonized the town of Malin on the shores of Tule Lake in 1909. The town of Malin in Czechosolvakia was said to grow the best horseradish in Europe and the colonists brought the rootstock of those plants with them when they immigrated. "Today we raise about one-quarter of all the horseradish in the country right here," Victorine told the cookbook authors. She offered the following roast pork recipe as one "almost-entirely- homegrown" in Malin. "We like it with a side dish of sauerkraut, browned in the roasting pan after the fat is removed," she said. "To spice it up, serve it with a mixture of three-quarters mustard, one-quarter horseradish." ROAST PORK WITH CARAWAY SEEDS 1 clove garlic 1 4-lb. pork loin or shoulder roast Salt to taste 1 T caraway seeds 1/2 cup water 1 medium onion, cut into quarters Preheat the oven to 350 degrees. Cut thin slices of garlic and insert them into little cuts in the meat. Salt it lightly, press on the caraway seeds and place the roast, fat side up, in a roasting pan with the water and onion. Roast for 1 3/4 to 2 hours, or until the meat reaches 160 degrees on an instant-read thermometer. Let rests 15- 20 minutes for easy carving. Serves 4 to 6. In Grandview, Wash., the Yakima Valley Junior Fair is held for four days in mid-August and is run by 4-H and FFA members. Located in "The Fruit Bowl of the Nation" and surrounded by orchards, the fair naturally features many apple-based cooking contests. Denise Dykstra, a 4-H member, won a blue ribbon for the following dessert at the Junior Fair in a competition sponsored by the Washington Apple Commission. GRANDMA DYKSTRA'S APPLE CAKE 2 eggs 2 cups granulated sugar 1/2 cup vegetable oil 2 t vanilla extract 2 cups flour 1 t baking soda 1/2 t salt 2 cups peeled, sliced Washington apples 3/4 cup chopped walnuts Preheat oven to 350 degrees. In a large mixing bowl, beat the eggs. Add the sugar, oil and vanilla. Mix well. Add 1 cup of the flour, the baking soda and salt and beat for 1 minute. Beat in the remaining flour, then fold in the apples and walnuts. Spread the batter in a greased 9x11x2-inch baking pan. Bake for 35 minutes, or until a toothpick inserted in the center of the cake comes out clean. Cool on a rack. 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Checks should be made out to: OUTRIDER NEWS SERVICE -- FMO Mail to: Outrider, Box 277, Shoshone, ID 83352. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BOOTH RESERVATION: FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE Category (check one) ___Farm Produce ___ Specialty Food ___ Crafts ___Pets ___ Livestock Product __________________ Variety _________________________________ Trade Name ________________________________ Quantity _________________________________ Asking Price Range or Value (including S&H) _______________________________________ Contact __________________________________ Contact Address ___________________________ Contact Phone or Fax __________________________ ++++++++++++ Michael Hofferber, Publisher FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE Box 277 Shoshone, ID 83352-0277 fax (208) 886-7602 e-mail marketfarm@aol.com ++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jun 22 23:34:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purple loosestrife Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621071439109@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 88 *FYI* ---------------------------------------- From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:47:16 -0400 Subject: Purple loosestrife Purple loosestrife is considered a noxious weed by many. It has become a major honey plant in many areas, so this post would be of interest to beekeepers. - Dave Green For sure any beekeeper who depends on this plant for bee forage should "comment". You can make a difference. The same thing is going on in California for Yellow Star Thistle, and the beekeepers sat on their hands. Now we have areas of sick Star Thistle that is useless to bee's, but it's still there. Another major honey plant that was subject to a introduced pest is SAGE. The worms injure the plant so that it does not produce, but in 40 years the Sage is still here and it is a native wild flower. ttul Andy- Reposted from Sci.agriculture: Subject: Purple Loosestrife Biological Control EA From: Sean_Furniss@mail.fws.gov (Sean Furniss) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:22:10 -0400 Message-ID: Availability of an Environmental Assessment AGENCY: Fish and Wildlife Service, Interior. ACTION: Notice of the Availability of an Environmental Assessment; Request for Comments SUMMARY: The purpose of this Notice is to make available to the public an environmental assessment regarding the release in the United States of three nonindigeneous insects Galerucella calmariensis, Galerucella pusilla, and Hylobius tansversovittatus. The purpose of the release is to reduce and control Lythrum salicaria on Service-managed wetlands and to assist the States to reduce and control purple loosestrife on non-Service wetlands. These insects are not native to North America. The Service proposes to release these three insect species on Service and other lands in the United States so they can contribute to the biological control of purple loosestrife (Lythrum salicaria), an introduced weed. DATES: Written comments on the Environmental Assessment should be received on or before July 12, 1995 HOW TO OBTAIN A COPY OF THE EA: The document is available on the Fish and Wildlife Service world wide server at http://bluegoose.arw.r9.fws.gov/nwrsfiles/habitatmgmt/pestmgmt/loosestrifemgmt .html/. You may also obtain a copy by sending an email message to Meredith Cabillo at Meredith_Cabillo@mail.fws.gov. Please include your name and mailing address in the message. -- Sean Furniss Refuge Program Specialist Division of Refuges U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Department of the Interior Sean_Furniss@mail.fws.gov (703) 358-2043 Division of Refuges, MS 670 ARLSQ U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 4401 North Fairfax Drive Arlington, VA 22203 National Wildlife Refuge System *********************************************************** The opinions expressed are those of the writer and not those of the Fish and Wildlife Service nor the Department of the Interior ___________________________________________________________ Information on Service data servers (including WAIS, WWW, etc.) can be retrieved from the Service Library Server. Send a message to R9IRMLIB@mail.fws.gov with SEND HELP as the subject (no text in the body of the message) for instructions and an index. From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Fri Jun 23 22:51:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Kevin Ormerod Subject: Re: Do They Know Me? Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (KEVIN) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <3rnuv1$m7o@usenet.interramp.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:54:14 GMT Lines: 35 I see that you got several answers concerning the bees reaction to your wife, but how about taking a look at the feeder problem -- Boardman feeders with ONE PINT JARS. Why not go to a 1 gal. or a 3 gal feeder pail over the inner cover or a division board feeder (holds about a gallon also). Using a bigger feeder would eliminate the multiple trips during the day. KO ==========A. J. deLange, 6/15/95========== I started my first two hives just about a month ago and all seems to be going well. I'm feeding 50% (by weight) sugar syrup in Boardman feeders with pint Mason jars. As the weather has turned warmer and the brood has started to hatch the consumption of syrup has skyrocketed to the point where a refill is required up to 4 times a day (hottest days). I have changed these jars with no veil, no gloves, no qualms dozens of times with no problems. Finally my wife said that is was ridiculous for me to come home from work during the day to feed the bees and that she would do it. The first time she did so (today) one of my little ladies gave her life for the perceived good of the hive and it looks as if I'll be coming home for lunch again. The question is "why?" Do they know my smell or my movements or something else about me? I usually wear a light colored shirt and jeans. My wife had on a dress with a floral pattern (tasteful, mind you). Could this have had something to do with it? She said they were definitely upset about something. I refilled the jars tonight with the usual response: i.e. I got checked-out by the guard bees but that was it. AJ From mjohnson@ccinet.ab.ca Fri Jun 23 22:51:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!nexus.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!finzi.ccinet.ab.ca!mjohnson.ccinet.ab.ca!user From: mjohnson@ccinet.ab.ca (Marilyn Johnson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Alberta Agriculture on the Web Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:24:38 -0600 Organization: InfoHarvest Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mjohnson.ccinet.ab.ca The Department of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development for the province of Alberta, Canada has launched a new Web page designed to deliver their information. It is running as a pilot under the name of PROJECT BARLEY. Project Barley will run for eight weeks. You are invited to visit the site and provide feedback on the service. Project Barley can be reached at: http://www.gov.ab.ca/~agric Comments can be sent to: duke@ agric.gov.ab.ca Thanks for visiting Alberta Agriculture. Maybe PROJECT HONEY is next. : ) ----- -- Marilyn Johnson InfoHarvest Inc. mjohnson@ccinet.ab.ca From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jun 23 22:51:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY HOTLINE #2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:01:00 GMT Message-ID: <950621170013113@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 37 You can get HONEY HOTLINE by asking the National Honey Board Food Technology Program at P.O. Box 281525, San Francisco, CA 94128-1525 or call 1-800-356-5941, USA only on 800 calls. This months June issue reports on work done with Creamed Honey Spreads. The information is for any honey producer and not limited to large honey producers, packers, or industrial users. The science is the same for large packers or those who would use their own kitchen's to produce products containing large amounts of honey. If you are into canning with honey you may find some ease by referring to some of the research ongoing by the Food Technology Program paid for by all who market honey in the United States. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Do you know what the bee said after eating the | | full jar of honey? | | | | | | \ _ / | | /O O \ _ z z | | \~~~ / // \ z z | | /--\// )) z z | | ()==/()== \__./ B z z z z z | | ()=( ()= ) z z | | \____/ Gosh this Honey is sour! | | |||| | | (/ \) | | | | ttul Andy- | | | |____________________________________________________________| : : \___________________________________________________________/ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jun 23 22:51:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purple loosestrife Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950622060130116@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: Lines: 115 C>From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) >Subject: Purple loosestrife C>> SUMMARY: The purpose of this Notice is to make available to the public an >> environmental assessment regarding the release in the United States of >> three nonindigeneous insects Galerucella calmariensis, Galerucella >> pusilla, and Hylobius tansversovittatus. The purpose of the release is to >> reduce and control Lythrum salicaria on Service-managed wetlands and to >> assist the States to reduce and control purple loosestrife on non-Service >> wetlands. These insects are not native to North America. C>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This prob. not the right place to post, but oh well...anybody know what >the common names of these insects are?? (seems to me, when the govt. does >introductions such as these, they do more harm to the local ecology than >good...but who am I). I agree with you Chris, on the later. I also think this is the best place to post the info on the Forest Service plan to release any insect pest that will damage any Honey Plant like "purple loosestrife" or "spiked loosestrife". Every beekeepers has a legal right, A DUTY as a beekeeper, to respond to this notice or EA, (Environmental Assessment), on the release of these distractive pests. And each comment must be considered equally and answered. This includes beekeepers from outside the United States and especially our neighbors to the north and south. So called introductions of pests by our government agency's are not limited to the political boundaries of the United States and could become serious pests in other environments and beekeepers outside the US. If no one or few respond then these pests well be released. If one peon can give good cause why they should not be released then there is good reason to believe that they will not be released. Or at the least you will be part of the record and should be notified of any adverse action to your response and given time to seek relief, and/or for changes to be made in the EA. No reasonable issue will not be addressed; So it is written, so it will be..but it's our move. Some other things all should know. You do not have to be personally aversely effected to comment. You do not have to have dollars at risk to comment. And much more, most environmental law is now tilted a tad towards those who have appreciation for the environment other then just monetary loss or gains. Last but not the least, if you are like me and other beekeepers, and just don't want bee pasture damaged by the release of distractive insects, chemicals, or other control measures..WE WILL NO WALK ALONE into any hearing. You may not like the company you will keep but they will be there and you may be surprised who will side with the beekeeper who want's to protect the bee pasture. Some reason why I am concerned about the Forest Service EA, and any plan to release any distractive insect pest to control "PURPLE LOOSESTRIFE". Purple Loosestrife (Lythrum)., is a common name used for both native and naturalized family of plants that can be found coast to coast and boarder to boarder in the United States. It is a plant that is of importance to honey bee's and other insects for food. This brings to mind a question; are the intended distractive pests able to distinguish between the naturalized or introduced species of Lythrum and the native ones? What about L.alatum, L. ovalifolium, and some other close plants maybe including some wild and cultivated buckwheats? Another question would be how the Forest Service intends to keep these introduced pests from crossing into Canada or Mexico? I also believe that Purple Loosestrife is an attractive plant and adds to the ascetics of the areas it grows in. I don't think thousands of acres or miles of sick, dying, or dead dead plants are of any esoteric value. I will go on and on depending on what I find in the US Forest Service EA report. But I can tell all from much experience at reading these that their EA will be full of half truths, pseudo science, and worst case serenades. All that deserve the time and comments any beekeepers can make using some God given common sense and simple reasoning, a well know special trait that beekeepers have that many others in the so called special interest groups, dusty's, scientists, and regulators are lacking.... Look at it from the other side.. Honey Bee's are not native to the US, Honey Bee's kill about a dozen people each year. Honey Bee's have been reported to have killed hundreds, maybe thousands of people in SA. Why don't we import a few varroa mites to rid the US of the introduced and dangerous pest the Honey Bee? Maybe they already did that and forgot about the EA? They sure did for the Sage head weevil introduced into the best wild flower honey producing plant in California, and also did a real sneak job on pest's released into the Yellow Star Thistle, one of the most important summer nectar and pollen plants for bee's and other insects of Central and Northern California. All these latter introductions of pests have done is to reduce the value of these wild flowers to bee's and made them an unsightly mess..not one acre has been cleared of the native or naturalized target plants... To end I personally believe that if we as a nation were blessed with all the public funds that any and all agencies could spend, these kind of projects would not be on my list, and the Forest Service and any other agency that would today spend the time and money on projects to injure, damage, or destroy naturalized or native plants that benefit Honey Bee's and other insects as food crops should be "blue penciled", de-funded or what ever it takes to get that agency priorities changed. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily facts. From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Jun 23 22:51:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper Atire Date: 23 Jun 1995 13:00:56 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3sedu8$sbh@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3se73t$8h5@NNTP.MsState.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Wayne Bland (Wbland@Comptroller.Msstate.Edu) wrote: : Hi Folks, : So what's your vote? Full gear or shorts and a veil? Here's a non committal vote: That depends (mostly on the weather and flow conditions) On bright sunny days with some nectar flow I only use a veil. If the weather is cloudy, no nectar, bees staying at home doing nothing but waiting for you I use a bee suit and veil; never gloves and plenty of smoke. Why no gloves? I feel I upset them more and kill more by not being able to feel them around. Jerry Worrell Dunkirk MD worrell@CBL.umd.edu From patmcg@neosoft.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.neosoft.com!usenet From: patmcg@new-orleans.neosoft.com (Patrick McGuire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have all the bees gone? Date: 29 Jun 1995 19:19:55 GMT Organization: NeoSoft User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3suucr$7st@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <3sldfl$mva@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: patmcg@neosoft.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gumbo-slip-dd.no.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 >I also had the occasion to see a bumblebee try to >enter (rob?) one of my hives. What a fight! It was >about 6 or 8 to 1 but the bumblebee seemed to >escape without being seriously harmed. > Funny you should have Bumblebees that were not seriously harmed. I have observed Bumblebees entering my hives on numerous occasions and, alas, my bees successfully kill it. I am constantly finding dead Bumblebees in front of my hives. Meanwhile, I am sure that the people who have noticed drastic drops in their bee populations are experiencing the ravages of the varroa. Last year, at the October meeting of our local bee club, a slide and film presentation by our local La. State Horticulturist alerted us to the coming of varroa. Included in the presentation was a microscope set up with specimens of dead mite. The very next day I was observing my 7 hives and out of the entrance of one hive strolls this drone with a mite piggy backing in the middle of the thorax. The drone was black and the mite was bright orange so this little Halloween surprise really was obvious. I got Apistan strips within one week and treated all my hives. The number of dead mites appearing on the "doorstep" to each hive was amazing. Literally teaspoons full for several days after beginning treatment. I did not lose one hive. Unfortunately, I had 5 friends who did not treat their hives and lost all or at least 75% of their colonies by January. Pat McGuire New Orleans, LA From ewhitevhp@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!ecsgate!newton.uncg.edu!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Date: 30 Jun 1995 15:27:55 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3t1j7r$s0a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3t0nt2$rg5@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Reply-To: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Nope venice turpentine is more like canadian balsam (also a resin). Elaine From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why are our bees so weak and sickly? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <950701103935214@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3svbdt$6jr@mack.rt66.com> Lines: 140 originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS ---------------------------------------- From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 01:53:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Why are our bees so weak and sickly? In a message dated 95-06-30 11:42:16 EDT, mws@TENET.EDU (Michael Stoops) wrote: >Also, if you keep your agent abreast of where >your bee yards are, you might get notification for the agency of >upcoming spray schedules so that you can put screens on the entrances >of your hives and keep your bees in on the day of the proposed spray. >It also helps if you communicate, and possibly give a jar of honey in >the fall, with surrounding farmers and ask them to keep you updated >with their spray schedule so as to prevent further bee kills. A lot of >work, I know. But that might help prevent future drastic bee kills in >you yards. So you are willing to take total responsibility for *protecting* your bees, eh? That may be why we cannot get any action from public officials on this matter, because of so many beekeepers like you, who are so compliant to pre-FIFRA *solutions* that didn't work. It is obvious that you haven't have direct experience in this area. I certainly don't wish any bee kills on you, but I'm sure that after a few, you would begin to see differently. The pesticide label (if a material is hazardous to bees) specifically prohibits application if bees are foraging in the application area. That is the applicator's responsibility, and it is a legal requirement. If he applies on a blooming crop without knowing if bees are foraging, he is at least negligent, possibly wilful. If labels are carefully followed, bee kills drop to negligible levels. There is, of course the problem, that in circumventing the label directions by your proposal to let the beekeeper take responsibility, that no protection is afforded our pollinators that do not have a human caretaker. Oops, -there goes bumblebees, solitary bees, wild honeybees in trees ..... Lets try a couple scenarios, according to your plan: #1. You are a backyard beekeeper with three hives. Just as you are to leave for work, you get a call saying the spraying will commence in a half hour. You look out, and the bees are already foraging. You have accepted the responsibility for *protecting* them, and let the applicator off the hook on label directions (as if you COULD give him permission to spray illegally). You call your boss and explain to him, that you can't make it to work, because you've got to protect your bees. He's not happy about that, and you know that if you pull this again next week, you'll get fired. You begin to wonder how you are going to get the bees back inside the hives, so you can close them up. You close them up anyway, and the returning bees cluster on the outside. You open one up to let them back in, and a big bunch from inside leave, and they sure are sore about being penned up, so you catch a few stings. Then you realize that the bees are getting overheated, and are really getting excited. You realize that they are approaching meltdown. You get a bucket of water and douse the hives, because your hose isn't long enough. Then you run to buy a hundred feet of extra hose, because you don't want to have to lug water all day. Every time you go near the hives, the outside ones chase you around. Let's leave the rest of this scenario to your imagination, along with all the dead bees you'll find from the day's stresses.. #2 Let's say you are a commercial beekeeper in cotton country (-pretty much the whole southeast the last couple years). Your bees are located in over a hundred bee yards and pollination locations. You estimate that on any given day in July and August, as many as fifteen sites could be exposed to applications. You purchase 400 burlap sheets to cover the hives. You spend two weeks finding all cotton fields, and notifying growers and applicators, so they can call you. (Some will, some won't.) Some of them cuss you out and tell you to get your #@#$&*%# bees out of the area. You know in your heart that if you don't, they will be vandalized. But you don't know of any safe place to go. You hire and train 15 assistants, provide them with smokers, veils, etc. You have to find people that are willing to be in the field by 5am, so they can pen up bees before they begin to fly in hot weather. You get a tank for each, as big as a pickup can hold, so they can keep the hives cool by dousing them with water every half hour or so. Hopefully, each of your employees has his own pickup. Each one has to have a cellular phone, and you have to have a secretary to monitor the home phone, as spray schedules are apt to get changed at the last minute. You also need a roving 4x4, in case someone gets bogged. I am quite familiar with the second scenario, because it is mine. By following your suggesting of *protecting* the bees myself, I would spend more than my gross annual income in six weeks of summer spray season. -- All so the applicators could continue to ignore the label directions! Oh nuts... Your pollination clients are complaining that the crops didn't get pollinated, because you shut up the bees for 10% of the bloom season, and they want a hefty refund. Cotton acreage here has increased explosively in the last three years, and is exacting a very high environmental cost. There had to be many hundreds, possibly several thousand applications, in violation of bee directions on the labels, last season. I am a very observant person, especially of pollinators. In all the crops I have worked with this season, I've seen less than a dozen bumblebees. Yes - that is for the WHOLE season. I've seen only about a hundred solitary bees, again for the whole season. I went out of the cotton area a couple weeks ago, and saw a hundred solitary bees on melons, of at least five different species, in just a few minutes. Last year's pesticide damage has cost me more than half my income for this year. I gave up my entire spring honey crop, and my package and nuc sales, because I had to replace my own losses -- and I still would up with fewer hives than last year. And that's not counting all the extra feeding. Do you get the picture? I am not wanting to be unkind, but naive acceptance of pre-FIFRA thinking is wiping out wild pollinators, and making it impossible for commercial beekeeping in high pesticide use areas. You can see why I'm kind of intense about it. I refuse to abet a scheme to circumvent the law. I refuse to be the turkey at the turkey shoot. The only way beekeeping can survive is the implementation and enforcement of the pesticide label directions for bees. (FIFRA is the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rotenticide Act of 1972) It, and corresponding state laws, recognized bees as an environmental resource and set aside the pre_FIFRA precedents that considered bees *trespassers*) But it has only been implemented, as regards to bees, in a very few cases in 23 years. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 *All people can be divided into three groups: those who make things happen, those who watch what's happening, and those who haven't the faintest idea what's happening.* *Sometimes silence is golden; sometimes it is pale yellow.* From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 6 12:05:30 EDT 1995 Article: 2137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!demon!alkham.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Honey Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 23:54:48 GMT Organization: First Circle Lines: 16 Message-ID: <804556488snz@alkham.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: alkham.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Truely *RAW* honey is of course straight off the comb and BOY is it something to remember! The very, very BEST honey I have ever had however was from a beekeeper near Lake Bala in Wales. He lived on a farm right up on the moors with no roads, people, traffic anywhere nearby -- just mountainsides teeming with heather. Opening the jar released the aroma of the heather. It flowed so easily and smoothly. I bought jars and jars of it which I consumed within two weeks! Go for the comb! Interestingly enough, my wife's mother who is a very old Hungarian woman says that in her village they used to simply hang the combs somewhere where the bees couldn't get at them and the honey would simply flow off into a receptacle. They would then RETURN the comb to the hive! This I thought is an incredibly economic manner in which to harvest honey. Minimum effort and indeed disruption! -- Dave From moroney@world.std.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:31 EDT 1995 Article: 2138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!moroney From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Wanted - beeswax polish receipe Message-ID: <1lRzlaE96FPO079yn@world.std.com> Sender: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3r977i$j10@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> <3ria2q$t6t@grok.provo.Novell.COM> <3t0nt2$rg5@calvin.st-and.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:18:57 GMT Lines: 16 In article <3t0nt2$rg5@calvin.st-and.ac.uk>, nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) wrote: > >I looked it up, it's wood rosin. > Now, we know what colophony is...what is rosin? Is it the same as resin? That > sticky aromatic stuff that oozes out of trees and fossilizes into amber? It's the stuff that violinists rub on their bows, so it's available from music stores (but probably rather expensive there) The dictionary says it's the hard brittle residue left after turpentine is distilled from pine resin. (Since turpentine is being added (back) to the rosin, wonder if you could skip the rosin and turpentine and start with raw pine resin) -Mike From pollinator@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!ecsgate!newton.uncg.edu!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckwheat question from Australia Date: 1 Jul 1995 02:45:50 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 43 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3t2quu$9ei@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <1995Jun29.214736.45607@cobra.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <1995Jun29.214736.45607@cobra.uni.edu>, klier@cobra.uni.edu writes: >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:43:23 +0000 >From: Chris Bluett >Subject: Bees on Buckwheat > >Can anybody help me with the yield increases that might come from >putting bee hives on buckwheat fields? Or the yield penalties that >might arise from having no bees working the crops? > >Also, is it true that buckwheat is very good for bee colonies but >that the honey is not very good? I grew up on buckwheat honey. It is dark and fairly strong tasting, so some don't like it, but I think it is one of the best honeys there are. The old varieties that used to be grown in the 1940's and 50's used to yield tremdous amounts of honey. Some beekeepers were getting 2-300 lbs per hive for the season, with a majority of it being buckwheat. Then came a reduction in planting, and new hybrid varities, and now buckwheat honey is very hard to come by. In recent years I have placed bees on buckwheat and they worked it extensively, but did not make much. A friend of mine found about 60# of new dark honey on each of his hives last year, went looking and found a buckwheat field about a quarter mile away. So it is quite variable. Buckwheat seems to yield more on poor, acid soil than on sweet soils. The buckwheat flow is early in the day, and it shuts off suddenly in the afternoon. You don't want to work the bees in the afternoon, as they will punish you for the shutoff! Buckwheat growers today seek out beekeepers, so they feel they are getting pollination benefit. As far as I know, no one is charging for contract pollinating it. There is a wild relative of buckwheat that grows in the northeast, especially along the Susquehenna river (called Japanese Bamboo), that yield a very fine honey that is like a mild flavored buckwheat. Hope this helps. From ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Thu Jul 6 12:05:34 EDT 1995 Article: 2140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!gopher.cs.uofs.edu!jaguar.uofs.edu!ddc1 From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I get bees away from my pool? Date: 30 Jun 95 14:38:48 EST Organization: University of Scranton Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1995Jun30.143848.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> References: <3sft7j$1g2@usenet.interramp.com> <3sf797$59h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <950623213957130@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.cs.uofs.edu In article <950623213957130@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: > > I missed this original post, but if you don't want bee's around your pool > there are two thing you can do. ONE, use a chlorine substitute that does > not give off the chlorine order that attract bee's to the pool in the > first place. TWO. Provide water for the bee's away from the pool, like > in a bird bath, fountain, or small pound... Go to your local discount store a buy a plastic clothes basket sized (or larger) plastic container and fill it with water leaving it within 20 feet of the hive. The one I use is a BIG plastic Christmas tree holder (the kind you put a live, plant in the spring tree in) and when the fall comes I empty and scrub it out for use in December. I generally fill it once and let the rain take care of it the rest of the year. I also float shims of wood or small 2X4 scraps in it for the kids to land on. Seems to work well, I find floating bees in the water and haven't had a complaint from any neighbors, so they must be using it... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | Where a social revolution is pending and, University Of Scranton | for whatever reason, is not accomplished, ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | reaction is the alternative. ddc1@SCRANTON | -Daniel De Leon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rodl@cat.co.za Thu Jul 6 12:05:35 EDT 1995 Article: 2141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!usenet From: rodl@cat.co.za (Rod Ladwig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: 2 Jul 1995 09:13:54 GMT Organization: Consultancy in Advanced Technology Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: webster.cat.co.za Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I would like to know what the best method is for controlling waxmoth in extracted supers and brood frames that have been put into storage? From rodl@cat.co.za Thu Jul 6 12:05:36 EDT 1995 Article: 2142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!usenet From: rodl@cat.co.za (Rod Ladwig) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Equipment Date: 2 Jul 1995 09:17:12 GMT Organization: Consultancy in Advanced Technology Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3t5o6o$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: webster.cat.co.za Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 I need the address and fax numbers of bee equipment suppliers in the USA or other countries. Can anybody help me in obtaining a list? From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: purple loosestrife Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950702112727220@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 192 ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- B>From: bb22@cornell.edu (Bernd Blossey) >To: Andy Nachbaur >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:04:31 -0400 >Subject: purple loosestrife B>Dear Beefriend, B>I have read your tirade against the proposed release of biological control >agents against the wetland weed purple loosestrife. I have been working on >biological control of purple loosestrife for almost a decade but such a >conglomerate of ignorance and special interest concerns has never crossed >my path. Hello Dr. Blossey, It is interesting that you of all people would single me out for personal attack. It may be true that my opinion on this Environmental Assessment is a "conglomerate of ignorance", I am not a scientist, or do I have a doctorate. It is also true that I am a beekeeper and if anything is special about being a beekeeper and this EA it is that beekeepers will be damaged because wildflower pasture bees depend on will be damaged. My concerns are just as valid to me and my 46 years of experience with bees as yours are to you with your 10 years of research on Purple Loosetrife. Some would say that your position is also one of the "special interest", or the elite groups, considering that this EA relies disproportionately on your own research and opinion seeing that 6 of the 17 references listed to support the EA have your name on them. I would venture a guess that you are in no small part dependent on public monies to do your research and must convince others that your research has great value in order to generate support including special interest groups. I am not bothered or burdened by such problems. I love my work, I love my boss, I have never had a real job, I am a lifelong self employed beekeeper 58 years old with an 46 years interest in bees, beekeeping, and beekeepers and 41 years supported only by the bees. >I would recommend you become familiar with the published >literature (just because you don't know about scientific studies >demonstrating the negative effects of purple loosestrife does not mean >there aren't any!!). I also recommend you become familiar with biological >control as a safe and environmentally sound method to control exotic plants >(used in the United States for over a century with great success), where >success is measured in overall costs and benefits, not only considering a >special interest group. I have seen no statements that claim that Purple Loosetrife is not a problem, though some DO NOT believe that there is scientific evidence that it is as bad as other's say it is. The reduction of bee pasture is not a positive benefit to honey bee's or other insects. The destruction of non target native wildflowers is not a positive benefit to anyone but those with special interests. The lack of control after the release of the plant pests is not a positive benefit and the fact that they can not be confined to the target plant, and target area is not a positive effect. The total lack of financial responsibility by those who would release these plant pests if their opinions and research were wrong and the new plant pests were to become destructive on other wildflowers or crops is not a positive benefit but a real risk. B>And your hate speech against the government (here represented as the Fish >and Wildlife Service) acting against the interests of the public is not >only dangerous it is simply wrong. The alliance across the entire North >American continent fighting against exotic weeds (including purple >loosestrife) involves concerned environmentalists (individuals and groups) >as well as hunters, fishermen and local, state and federal agencies. I >agree that often beekeepers are on the other side of the fence since these >introduced exotics are an abundant forage source for bees. However, we >have to weigh the overall health of our ecosystems against special >interests, and sorry for you, bees and beekeepers are a special interest >group (that at least in part were creating the purple loosestrife problem >by spreading plants and seeds). Plants, bees and beekeepers will not be >eradicated but some beneficial effects that an exotic plant may have for >bees does not outweigh the overall negative environmental effects. All >this has been determined for purple loosestrife and very clearly, control >of purple loosestrife is desirable. To punish all beekeepers, and that part of the public the views Purple Loosetrife as an attractive wildflower and garden plant because you as a scientist have scientific evidence that one or more beekeepers were responsible for it's spread is beyond my understanding of the laws of the United States, and surely demonstrates your personal bias that may be reflected in your own scientific work and should be of interest and a consideration if anyone should rely on your work or opinion in making comment on this EA. B>You might not like this result but considerable effort was spent to >consider all affected parties. Your tirade against government and the >proposed action is based on your gut feeling instead of considering the >facts. Putting it into hate speech does make a rational discussion rather >difficult. Fortunately, I have experienced a deeper understanding of this >issue among your fellow beekeepers in the past. I have been a active beekeeper all my life, I never heard of you before receiving this interesting letter with your comments on my opinions. If you have have made presentation's to beekeepers in California, Arizona, Colorado, or North Dakota it is new's to me..The fact is that this project and it's EA was only by accident presented to me because someone else found the announcement and posted it on the internet highway. I know of NO beekeeper who received notice of the comment period for this EA from any government agency. But the facts are that these non native plant pests that are proposed to be released according to the EA are expected to damage other native wild flowers other then the target host plants. It is also a fact that there will be absolutely no control on these plant pests once they are released and they can be expected to damage native wildflower on private lands and private and public gardens as well as the land controlled by the government agency's involved in a short time of their release. I do not say that to control Purple Loosetrife is not a worthy project, I am sure you and your friends believe that it is. It is apparent that at least one other also feels that to release these plant pests may not be appropriate or there would not have been an alternative plan to release NO new plant pests. I do say the costs to the bee pasture lost are not small and the risks are great, and based on to little science and to much opinion. My opinion is that if you were to to take these five plant pests and make them into a Chemical compound called "Purple Loosetrife Killer" you would have little if any expectations of registration and use using the research done for the plant pests. Why should the standards be lowered because these are biological plant pests and not chemical products when the risks are the same? It is not good enough to stand or hide behind words like environmentally friendly or ecologically or biologically safe and then admit scientific studies show that non target native wildflowers will suffer and may become endangered because of the release of these plant pests. And wildflower pasture for honey bees and other insects will be damaged. In my opinion this is false advertising of the lowest kind, no different then any chemical salesperson would do hawking his brand of products. Your personal attack on me, and my opinions are not what I expect from any one in the scientific community and does not add creditability to your own work or opinion, or profession, but I will certainly add them to my own comments on the Environmental Assessment of the Proposed Release of these plant pests as they should be considered for what they are, opinion NOT science, as well are my own comments. My personal opinion is that the value of the lost pasture for bees and other insects will grater then the benefits of the release of these plant insects that only will cause both a visual and real degrading of public and private lands by damaging the targeted host plant Purple Loosetrife, a naturalized wildflower of great beauty that is also used in gardens with a long, 100 years or more history in the US, and non target native wildflowers related to it. It is also my opinion that this Environmental Assessment places to much reliance on the opinions and hopes of too few scientists that politically correct species will replace the damaged Purple Loosetrife and native wildflowers that will be killed. I also believe that to rely on the testing of only 50 species of plants for damage by these plant insects is less then adequate to guarantee that these pests will not attack other native wildflowers or agricultural crops. The fact is that if these new plant pests were to attack any other plant or crops there is no plan to control them or remunerate those who suffer loss, and those who would release them would have no lability for their mistakes and bad judgements. The release of these new pest insects is not a reversible act and should not be allowed. In my opinion the risks far outweigh any advantage stated in the Environmental Assessment and ALTERNATIVE A (No Action) is clearly the only environmentally and ecologically safe plan. ttul Andy- PS. I LOVE the United States of America. I support the government and I vote and express my opinion anytime I feel I can make a difference. I have personally met and expressed and made my opinions known to one president of the United States and several more want to bees. I am the only beekeeper to have ever served on the Commodity Advisory Committee of the University of California, Berkley, California to advise the University President on Agricultural Research and Extension. My x wife still serves and has for many years on a similar committee of the University of Arizona. I served my 10 years in the service and have a Honorable Discharge. I do not hate anyone, or any branch, agency, or bureaucrat of the United States or any State. I have learned by much grass roots political experience that personal attacks on myself for my personal opinions usually signal weak facts and opinions by those who do the attacking and they usually do not come out winners, win or lose.... I do not represent any beekeeping group, militia, or posse, and my opinions have no more real value then the space they take up. The value other's place on them is beyond my control. From sanflet@ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews.netcom.com!netnews From: sanflet@ix.netcom.com (Sue & David Fletcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey and babies Date: 3 Jul 1995 03:32:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3t7oci$nav@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <3smkn9$4pa@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sac5-22.ix.netcom.com In <3smkn9$4pa@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csr50@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk (B. Watkins) writes: > >I've heard lately on a BBS that parents are warned not to feed honey to >babies. I wonder about this, since I'm pretty sure that my parents fed me >honey when I was a baby. They say there's some sort of botullism or >something in it that babies can't handle. anybody know? >Bryn Byrn, The reason honey isn't fed to babies is it can contain a bacteria that could make them ill or cause death. You are living proof that it does not happen frequently. I believe corn syrup can contain the same bacteria. I am not a doctor and this is not intended as advice. David Fletcher sanflet@ix.netcom.com From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!roots.ultranet.com!pimentel From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:16:33 LOCAL Organization: Whatever I wish it to be at the time Lines: 491 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:131770 rec.animals.wildlife:3954 rec.birds:22455 rec.pets:34748 rec.pets.birds:37053 rec.pets.cats:96992 rec.pets.herp:37892 sci.agriculture:5455 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2146 ===================================================================== This revision supercedes the 2nd RFD previously labeled: 2nd RFD: rec.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Is hereafter referred to as: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Revisions to this RFD include: Section I 1) rec.animals.* to misc.animals.* 2) m.a.answers to m.a.info 3) m.a.agriculture.* to m.a.farming.* 4) m.a.f.flightless to m.a.f.ratites 5) m.a.wild.* to m.a.wildlife.* 6) m.a.w.tooth-whales to m.a.w.marine-mammals 7) m.a.w.felines.* combined into m.a.w.felines 8) m.a.w.wolves to misc.animals.wildlife.canines Section II No Change Notes: 1) The RFD is broken into two major sections (this is nothing new from the 2nd RFD). Section I deals with creating groups and renaming two. Section II deals with renaming the entire hierarcy of rec.pets.* to misc.animals.pets.*. The other two categories in misc.animals.* include farming animals and wild animals. It is understood that pets are animals, but that is not the purpose of this additional section. 2) Section I in the CFV (this is not the CFV) will be acted upon individually. That is each creation or renaming (2 groups) will be a separate vote, each may pass or fail on it's own. 3) Section II in the CFV will be acted upon as a cluster move of all the groups in one hierarchy to another hierarchy, and will be handled as one vote. In the CFV it will proposed to move rec.pets.* to misc.animals.pets.*, this may pass or fail on it's own. 4) Section I passes/fails will not effect Section II pass/fail and visa-versa. 5) This is a major addition to USEnet and there will be a lot of groups listed here. If you find the number of newsgroups overwhelming you're not alone. 6) With respect to the misc.animals.farming.birds.* hierarchy a concern was raised that there was only one group listed beyond the .misc, this does occur from time to time. 7) With respect to the FAQ-INFO post mentioned in the RFD, it will posted to the groups mentioned in the cross-post line of the RFD, specifically: (With the exception of news.announce.newgroups) news.groups, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.birds, rec.pets, rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.herp, rec.pets.dogs.info, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping. 8) A copy of this RFD will be posted to news.announce.newgroups where it will sit while David Lawrence is on vacation until 10 July. Thank you for your participation in this RFD. John Pimentel ======================================================================= 3RD REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) Co-Proponents: Kathryn A. Smith Steven Whatley Michael & Susan Harmon Bob Weber Jim Buscher Mentor: John Pimentel Distribution of Newsgroups: world Gateway Proposed: DOM_BIRD@PLEARN.EDU.PL <=> misc.animals.farming.birds.misc Distribution of RFD: The complete official messages - RFD, CFV and vote results will be posted to these required or affected newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.birds, rec.pets, rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.herp, rec.pets.dogs.info, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping and an edited version will go to these mailing lists: CC: *cagtag-l@plearn.edu.pl *canine-l@psuvm.psu.edu *dom_bird@plearn.edu.pl *emu-ratite@yournet.com *exotic-l@plearn.edu.pl *feline-l@psuvm.psu.edu *ferret-request@cunyvm.cuny.edu *jardine@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu *poiceph@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu *ratite-news@peinet.pe.ca *senegal@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu Separate RFD/CFV's will be sent, in batches, to these effected newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities, rec.pets.dogs.breeds, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.misc, alt.wolves, alt.pets.rabbits, alt.pets.ferrets, alt.pets.hamsters, alt.chinchilla, alt.animals.bears, alt.animals.dolphins, alt.animals.felines, alt.animals.felines.lions, alt.animals.felines.snowleopards, alt.animals.foxes, alt.animals.raccoons, alt.agriculture.misc, alt.med.veterinary AND any other effected groups that may need notification. NOTE: This is not a Call for Votes. Do not try to vote now. Follow-ups set to news.groups, please honour. See the "Procedure" section, below, for details. Procedure: Interested parties are encouraged to comment on this proposal in news.groups. Please post your comments *only* in news.groups. After 21 days, if there appears to be a strong consensus in favor of this proposal as it is written here, a CFV will be posted, which will initiate the voting process; otherwise, discussion will continue until a more refined proposal can be prepared. Again, please do *not* vote now. The voting process has not begun, and your votes will be DISCARDED if you attempt to do so. For more information on the newsgroup creation process, see the documents entitled "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Usenet Newsgroup Creation Companion" by David Lawrence , posted regularly to news.groups, news.announce.newusers, and news.answers, and available for ftp at rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.groups. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= With the number of users of the Internet increasing, the need to reorganize the animal groups is increasing as well. New users have a difficult time finding the many scattered animal groups and then are confused about which group is the appropriate group to post to because the names are not very descriptive. With this proposal we wish to create a newsgroup skeleton that will hopefully, in time, better organize and name the scattered animal groups. Please read each SECTION carefully. Keep in mind that when a CFV is posted: 1) each newsgroup that is either created or renamed will be voted on separately (that way we eliminate creating newsgroups that do not have lots of demand) AND 2) each SECTION of the proposal will be voted on separately (SECTION I may pass but SECTION II may fail, or SECTION II may pass and some of the newsgroups created in SECTION I may fail) Although this type of independent "rename and create" is not common, there are several precedents to the same type of voting procedure. This occured with both comp.windows.ms.*-->comp.os.ms-windows.* and rec.games.deckmaster.*-->rec.games.trading-cards.*. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SECTION I Status : only misc.animals.info will be moderated Create the following groups: misc.animals.misc misc.animals.farming.misc misc.animals.farming.birds.misc misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites (moderated) misc.animals.info misc.animals.health misc.animals.marketplace misc.animals.wildlife.bears misc.animals.wildlife.felines misc.animals.wildlife.foxes misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals misc.animals.wildlife.canines rec.pets.ferrets rec.pets.marketplace rec.pets.rabbits rec.pets.rodents.misc rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters rec.pets.support Rename the following groups: misc.animals.wildlife ..... to misc.animals.wildlife.misc rec.birds ................. to misc.animals.wildlife.birds Newsgroups line: misc.animals.misc ............... Catch-all group for animal related topics misc.animals.farming.misc .................... Any animal used as livestock misc.animals.farming.birds.misc .......... Domesticated/farmyard birds only misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites ....... For emus, ostriches, rheas, etc. misc.animals.info ...... For FAQs, charters, and general info about animals misc.animals.health ........ For general questions concerning animal health misc.animals.marketplace . Place ads to buy/sell animals & animals products misc.animals.wildlife.misc ........................ All species of wildlife misc.animals.wildlife.bears ................. Topics relating to wild bears misc.animals.wildlife.birds ................. Topics relating to wild birds misc.animals.wildlife.felines ................. All species of wild felines misc.animals.wildlife.foxes ................. Topics relating to wild foxes misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons ........... Topics relating to wild raccoons misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals Topics relating to wild marine-mammals misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wolves & wolf crosses rec.pets.ferrets ........................... Topics relating to pet ferrets rec.pets.marketplace ............ Place ads to buy/sell pets & pet products rec.pets.rabbits ........................... Topics relating to pet rabbits rec.pets.rodents.misc ........................... All species of pet rodent rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas ........... Topics relating to pet chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters ................. Topics relating to pet hamsters rec.pets.support ......................... Topics related to support issues RATIONALE: The discussion of birds used in farming, like emus, chickens, quail, pheasants, and ostriches, do not fall into the wildlife or pet categories. So, we propose the creation of misc.animals.farming.birds.misc and m.a.farming.birds.ratites. Future growth in the m.a.f.birds.* could be along the lines of game birds (pheasants, turkeys, peacocks, quail, etc.), pigeons (fancy and homing), water fowl (ducks, geese), etc. The m.a.f.m group will be a catch-all group for the discussion of sheep, cows, pigs, and other farm animals. As deemed necessary, more misc.animals.farming.* newsgroups can be formed. Due to the large number of animal related newsgroups, having a place a person can go that will assist them in choosing which newsgroup to read and post to is necessary. Therefore, we are proposing the creation of the newsgroup misc.animals.info. This newsgroup will post the charters and FAQs for each of the animal newsgroups (if available) as well as other sites on the internet that could be of interest to animals enthusiasts. This newsgroup will be moderated by Ronda Devold at devold@badlands.NoDak.edu. Much of the discussion on the animal related newsgroups involves the health and general well-being of animals. Therefore, we propose the newsgroup misc.animals.health. The purpose of the newsgroup is to help individuals become better informed about the problems that they may encounter while caring for animals, and, to offer possible solutions to these various problems. Acquired, hereditary, and traumatic disorders can be discussed in this newsgroup, as well as questions regarding nutrition and feeding. This newsgroup is not intended to replace veterinary care, but rather to help individuals ask the "right" questions when an animal must be seen by a qualified veterinarian. Although this newsgroup is not moderated, it will be monitored by veterinarians. There has been discussion in many of the newgroups for a place to advertise animals and animals related products for sale. Therefore, we propose the creation of the newsgroups misc.animals.marketplace and rec.pets.marketplace. Having a separate newsgroup for people wishing to buy or sell something will reduce the number of these messages showing up in the different animal groups. These proposed newgroups will offer buyers and sellers a more narrowed audience in which to advertise then currently seen in the various *.forsale newsgroups. For the current newsgroup rec.birds, there exists a confusion about what types of birds can be discussed there. This group is for wild birds only. So, we propose to rename rec.birds to misc.animals.wildlife.birds. And, to go along with that change, we propose to rename rec.animals.wildlife to misc.animals.wildlife.misc. In no way do we intend to demine the importance of misc.animals.wildlife or make it less visible. We simply want to make it consistant with the rest of the misc.animals.* hierarchy. While creating this misc.animals.* hierarchy we need to give the alt.animals.* and alt.pets.* folks a chance to join the misc.animals.*, rec.pets.* groups, or misc.animals.pets.* group (if SECTION II of this proposal passes). There are numerious wild and pet animals groups that currently exist in alt. Finally, loss of a beloved pet can be devastating. We are proposing the creation of rec.pets.support to help those who have lost their pet deal with the pain and grief. Other emotional issues involving pets will be discussed here as well. rec.pets.support will be an informal support group for dealing with human-animals relationships by talking with others that are going through (or have gone through) a similar ordeal. BACKGROUND: In an *initial* survey conducted over a five day period on the newsgroups rec.birds, rec.pets, and rec.pets.birds, the following results were seen. Out of the 40 people responding to the survey, 20 voted YES to adding a newsgroup about domesticated birds and 3 voted NO. For changing the name of rec.birds to something more descriptive, 33 voted YES for some type of name change and 0 voted NO. In an *cursory* poll conducted in the newsgroups alt.pets.rabbits, of the 25 individuals that responded, 20 voted that they would like to have a newsgroup for rabbits listed under rec, 4 said Maybe, and 1 said No. In a separate *cursory* poll conducted on alt.pets.hamsters, only six individuals responded, but all said YES they would like a hamsters newsgroup listed under rec. Also, in scanning through the posts of rec.birds and rec.pets.birds for approximately 12 days, there were 2-3 posts per day that could have been discussed in the proposed newsgroups misc.animals.farming.birds or m.a.farming.birds.ratites. Several of the posts dealt with questions and answers on how to raise domesticated birds (i.e. pigeon, doves, and ducks). On two separate occasions, a letter was posted to both rec.birds and rec.pets.birds because there was not a distinct and obvious newsgroup that covered the topic of the letter (i.e. a domesticated bird). Also, from asking the subscribers to the LISTSERV mailing list, EXOTIC-L, I found out that several people on the list raise domesticated birds as well as have indoor, exotic birds as pets. This was also true of one individual who posted to rec.pets.birds in response to one of the domesticated bird posts mentioned above. Also, since the creation of the LISTSERV mailing list POULTRY+ (Forum for Domesticated/Farmyard Birds) on 3/29/95 the list has grown to over 90 subscribers (with more individuals subscribing every day); while, the mailing list emu-ratites current has over 120 subscribers. This demonstrates that there is an audience of individuals that simply require a forum in which to speak. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The following SECTION is proposed in order to combine the animal related topics under one hierarchy. This SECTION will be voted on separately from the groups listed in SECTION I. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SECTION II Rename the entire rec.pets.* hierarchy to misc.animals.pets.* rec.pets ..................... to misc.animals.pets.misc rec.pets.birds ............... to misc.animals.pets.birds rec.pets.cats ................ to misc.animals.pets.cats rec.pets.dogs.activities ..... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.activities rec.pets.dogs.behavior ....... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.dogs.breeds ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.breeds rec.pets.dogs.health ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.health rec.pets.dogs.info ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.info rec.pets.dogs.misc ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.misc rec.pets.dogs.rescue ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.rescue rec.pets.ferrets ............. to misc.animals.pets.ferrets rec.pets.herp ................ to misc.animals.pets.herps rec.pets.marketplace ......... to misc.animals.pets.marketplace rec.pets.rabbits ............. to misc.animals.pets.rabbits rec.pets.rodents ............. to misc.animals.pets.rodents.misc rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas . to misc.animals.pets.rodents.chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters .... to misc.animals.pets.rodents.hamsters rec.pets.support ............. to misc.animals.pets.support If it passes, all other groups mentioned in the RFD/CFV, as well as exitsting rec.pets.* groups, will have misc.animals as their base hierarchy. If it fails, all these groups will have rec.pets as their base hierarchy. RATIONALE: The internet is expanding expotentially with each passing day. Therefore, we believe that now is the best time to create a misc.animals.* hierarchy, due to the increasing traffic and variety of posts found in the many existing animal newsgroups. Our proposal will create a flexible and easily expandable hierarchy called misc.animals.* where a wide variety of topics concerning animals can be discussed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSED CHARTERS: The *complete* charter for each newsgroup in SECTION I can be seen in the FAQ for misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* Hierarchies A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EACH GROUP IN SECTION I: Please see the proposed charters for the list of what can and cannot be discussed in each newsgroup. In all cases, any topics that would clearly fit into a pre-existing newsgroup should be discussed in that newsgroup (i.e. exotic, pet birds should only be discussed in rec.pets.birds, not in misc.animals.farming.birds.* or misc.animals.wildlife.birds.misc) misc.animals.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.misc will be a catch-all newsgroup for any animal related topic that does not have a clearly defined, pre-existing newsgroup. misc.animals.farming.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.misc will be open to the discussion of topics related to any species of animal used as livestock, ex, cattle, fowl, rabbits, sheep, etc. misc.animals.farming.birds.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds.misc will be open to discussion of topics related to birds that are used as livestock. misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites will be open to discussion of topics related to the owning, breeding, and farming of ratites (i.e. emu, ostrich, rheas, etc.). misc.animals.info The proposed *moderated* newsgroup misc.animals.info will be open to the placement of the animal related newsgroup's charters and FAQs. A list of other animal related sites on the internet will also be maintained. Ronda DeVold will be the moderator for this newsgroup. misc.animals.health The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.health will be open to the discussion of any topic relating to animal health in general. This newsgroup is not meant to replace veterinary advice or care, but rather allow the individual to ask "informed" questions about an animals health and well-being. Although not moderated, this newsgroup will be monitored by veterinarians. misc.animals.marketplace The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.marketplace will be open to people placing ads to buy and sell animals and animal related products, with the exception of pets and pet products. misc.animals.wildlife.misc This newsgroup will be renamed from the existing group misc.animals.wildlife and will be open to the discussion of many topics involving wild animals. The charter for this new group will be the same as for misc.animals.wildlife. misc.animals.wildlife.bear The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.bears will be open for the discussion of topics relating to bears. misc.animals.wildlife.birds This newsgroup will be renamed from the existing group rec.birds and is for the discussion of wild birds and bird watching. The charter for this new group will be the same as for rec.birds. misc.animals.wildlife.felines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.felines will be open for the discussion of topics relating to all species of wild felines (with the exception of feral domestic cats). misc.animals.wildlife.foxes The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.foxes will be open for the discussion of topics relating to foxes. misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons will be open for the discussion of topics relating to raccoons. misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals will be open for the discussion of topics relating to all species of marine mammals. misc.animals.wildlife.canines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.canines will be open for the discussion of topics relating to wolves and wolf crosses. Discussion of wolf crosses kept as pets will be allowed. rec.pets.ferrets The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.ferrets will be open to topics relating to the care and ownership of pet ferrets. rec.pets.marketplace The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.marketplace will be open to people who wish to buy and sell animals that are kept as pets, as well as, pet related products. rec.pets.rabbits The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rabbits will be open to any topic relating to the care and ownership of pet rabbits. rec.pets.rodents.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.misc will be open to topics that involve rodents kept as pets. rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas will be open to topics that involve chinchillas kept as pets. rec.pets.rodents.hamsters The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.hamsters will be open to topics that involve hamsters kept as pets. rec.pets.support The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.support will be open to support issues involving pets. --- From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!roots.ultranet.com!pimentel From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQ for misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* Hierarchies (3rd RFD) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:30:55 LOCAL Organization: Whatever I wish it to be at the time Lines: 501 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:131774 rec.animals.wildlife:3955 rec.birds:22456 rec.pets:34749 rec.pets.birds:37055 rec.pets.cats:96993 rec.pets.herp:37894 sci.agriculture:5456 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2147 FAQ for misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* Hierarchies misc.animals.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.misc is for miscellaneous information that is not more appropriate for one of the other animal related newsgroups. Allowed Topics (not limited to the following) Animal humor Ethics of keeping animals as pets or in zoos Vegetarianism/Use of animals as food Cock Fighting Bull Fighting misc.animals.farming.misc This proposed unmoderated newsgroup will be open to discussion on all topics related to the ownership, breeding, exhibiting, and production of animals used as livestock. Examples of Livestock Animals (but are not limited to) Cows Sheep Donkeys Goats Pigs (not pot-bellied pigs) Llamas Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment Used Health/Veterinary Care & Management Exhibit/Show Announcements Clubs/Organizations Nutritional Research Legislation/Regulations concerning animals as livestock Inappropriate Topics Domesticated birds (see misc.animals.farming.birds.misc) Pot-bellied pigs (see rec.pets) Discussion of wild animals (see misc.animals.wildlife.misc) Animal rights (see talk.politics.animals) Vegetarianism (see misc.animals.misc) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Recipes misc.animals.farming.birds.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds will be open to the discussion of topics related to the ownership, breeding, exhibiting and production of birds used as livestock. Examples of domesticated birds Peafowl Geese Guinea Fowl Turkeys Pheasants Quail Ducks Chickens - commercial and fancy breeds Pigeons - homing and fancy breeds Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Hatching Equipment Used Nutritional Research Health/Veterinary Care & Management Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild (non-exotic) or Exotic/Caged Birds Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Vegetarianism (see misc.animals.misc) Research (except for nitritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Cock Fighting (see misc.animals.misc) Bull Fighting (see misc.animals.misc) Recipies Falconry (see alt.sport.falconry or alt.sports.falconry) misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites will be open to the discussion of topics related to the ownership, breeding, and production of ratites used as livestock. Examples of ratites Cassowaries Emus Kiwis Ostriches Rheas Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Hatching Equipment Used Recipies Research Health/Veterinary Care & Management Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild (non-exotic) or Exotic/Caged Birds Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Vegetarianism (see misc.animals.misc) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Cock Fighting (see misc.animals.misc) Bull Fighting (see misc.animals.misc) Falconry (see alt.sport.falconry or alt.sports.falconry) misc.animals.info, moderated The moderator of this newsgroup is Ronda DeVold at . This is a newsgroup for FAQs, newsgroup charters, and general informational files relevant to the many animal related newsgroups. No discussion is allowed on this newsgroup. This newsgroup will also announce new animal related email mailing lists and internet sites. This newsgroup is for the purpose of answering many of the questions that Usenet users may have about the wide variety of animal related newsgroups. misc.animals.health The purpose of the newsgroup is to help individuals become better informed about the problems that they may encounter while caring for animals, and, to offer possible solutions to these various problems. Acquired, hereditary, and traumatic disorders can be discussed in this newsgroup, as well as questions regarding nutrition and feeding. This newsgroup is not intended to replace veterinary care, but rather to help individuals ask the "right" questions when an animal must be seen by a qualified veterinarian. (Although not moderated, this newsgroup will be monitored by veterinarians). misc.animals.marketplace This newsgroup is to be used for the placement of ads for non-pet type animals and animal related products. These ads can be commercial or private in nature. Placement of 'Wanted :' ads is also allowed. Ads for pets or pet related products can not be posted here (See rec.pets.marketplace). misc.animals.wildlife.misc This newsgroup will be renamed from the existing group rec.animals.wildlife. It is for the discussion of all types of wild animals and their care and management; and, was created by Ronda Devold . Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Animal watching/behavior Endangered species Wildlife diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for wild animals in captivity Wild animal rescue Killing of wild animals Animal population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting as a sport (see rec.hunting) Fishing (see rec.outdoors.fishing.*) Wild animals kept as pets (see rec.pets) Falconry (see alt.sport.falconry or alt.sports.falconry) misc.animals.wildlife.bears The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.bears will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild bears. Allowed Topics Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for bears held in captivity Wild bear rescue Killing of wild bears Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) misc.animals.wildlife.birds This newsgroup will be renamed from the exitsing group rec.birds. It is for the discussion of wild birds and bird watching; and, was created by Andy Rubaszek at the University of Toronto. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Identifying birds in the field by appearance, behavior, and song Birding trips Attracting wild birds to feeders Behavior of birds in the wild Conservation of wild birds Research into bird life Bird taxonomy Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Domesticated or Exotic/Caged Birds Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Domestic Cats Falconry (see alt.sport.falconry or alt.sports.falconry) misc.animals.wildlife.felines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.felines will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild felines (except feral, domestic cats). Examples of wild felines Cheetahs Leopards Lynxes Ocelots Tigers Lions Snow Leopard Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for wild felines held in captivity Wild feline rescue Killing of wild felines Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) misc.animals.wildlife.foxes The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.foxes will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild foxes. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for foxes held in captivity Wild fox rescue Killing of wild foxes Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) Discussion of other wild canines misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild raccoons. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for raccoons held in captivity Wild raccoon rescue Killing of wild raccoons Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild marine mammals. Examples of marine mammals Dolphins (all species) River dolphins (all species) Killer Whales Right Whales Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for marine-mammals held in captivity Wild marine-mammals rescue Killing of wild marine-mammals Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) misc.animals.wildlife.canines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.canines will be open to discussion on topics that involve wild wolves and wolf crosses. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Behavior Diseases/medical care/food/rehabilitation Conservation/Legislation Caring for wolves held in captivity Wild wolf rescue Killing of wild wolves Owning Wolf Crosses Population control Clubs and Organizations Inappropriate Topics Hunting (see rec.hunting) Discussion of other wild canines rec.pets.ferrets The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.ferrets will be open to discussion on topics that involving the care and ownership of ferrets kept as pets. Allowed topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment and supplies Toys Health/Veterinary Care/Medical Problems Behavior Nutritional Research Training Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Clubs and Organizations Books and Magazines Federal & State Laws on Ownership Inappropriate Topics: Discussion of Wild Ferrets Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) rec.pets.marketplace This newsgroup is to be used for the placement of ads for animals kept as pets and pet related products. These ads can be commercial or private in nature. Placement of 'Wanted :' ads is also allowed. Ads for animals not kept as pets or non-pet related products can not be posted here (See misc.animals.marketplace). rec.pets.rabbits The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rabbits will be open to topics relating to the care and ownership of pet rabbits. All kinds and varieties of rabbits kept as pets will be discussed. Examples of Pet Rabbits Albino Dutch Belted Lop-eared Dwarf Mixed Breeds Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment and supplies Toys Health/Veterinary Care/Medical Problems Behavior Training Nutritional Research Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Clubs and Organizations Books and Magazines Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild Rabbits Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Recipes Vegetarianism (see misc.animals.misc) rec.pets.rodents The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents will be open to discussion on topics that involve the care and ownership of rodents kept as pets. Examples of pet rodents Gerbils Mice Rats Squirrels Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment and supplies Toys Health/Veterinary Care/Medical Problems Behavior Training Nutritional Research Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Clubs and Organizations Books and Magazines Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild Rodents Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) Used as Food (eg, to feed reptiles) (see misc.animals.misc) rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas will be open to discussion on topics that involve the care and ownership of chinchillas kept as pets. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment and supplies Toys Health/Veterinary Care/Medical Problems Behavior Training Nutritional Research Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Clubs and Organizations Books and Magazines Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild Chinchillas Discussion of Other Types of Rodent Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) rec.pets.rodents.hamsters The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.hamsters will be open to discussion on topics that involve the care and ownership of hamsters kept as pets. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Breeding/Breeders Equipment and supplies Toys Health/Veterinary Care/Medical Problems Behavior Training Nutritional Research Exhibit/Show Announcements/Rules Clubs and Organizations Books and Magazines Inappropriate Topics Discussion of Wild Hamsters Discussion of Other Types of Rodents Animal Rights (see talk.politics.animals) Research (except for nutritional) Hunting (see rec.hunting) rec.pets.support The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.support will be open to discussion on all topics related to support issues involved in the relationship between pets and their owners. Many people form strong, lasting bonds with their pets. When the pet is dying or dies, it is not uncommon for people to experience the same stages of grief as they would after the death of a person who was close to them. Grief is not restricted by the species of the loved one. Too, there are issues to deal with that are unique to pet owners, such as whether to put a pet "to sleep," introducing pets to children and mates, owning animals with behavioral problems, what to do about mistreated animals, problems with veterinarians, breeders or pet stores, etc. Rec.pets.support would provide a forum for people who need advice on how to provide the best possible life for their animals. It is not limited to one species of animal; eg, since similar emotions are felt by all pet owners when their pets die, people with be able to empathize with each other regardless of their pet's species. Allowed Topics (not limited to these) Introducing pets to a new home Introducing pets to children and/or mates Support for when a pet escapes Owning animals with behavioral problems Dealing with mistreated animals and animal "rescue" topics Problems with veterinarians, breeders, and pet stores Putting pets "to sleep" Caring for sick or dying pets Grief after a pet dies Inappropriate Topics Animals that are not kept as pets Topics not dealing with support issues Medical/Health questions (see misc.animals.health) From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey and babies Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <950703072918226@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3t7oci$nav@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <3smkn9$4pa@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> Lines: 37 S>The reason honey isn't fed to babies is it can contain a bacteria that >could make them ill or cause death. You are living proof that it does >not happen frequently. I believe corn syrup can contain the same >bacteria. Yes, any product with high sugar can support the bacteria. It is not thought that honey is the only problem. Also additional spores of the bacteria gets in the honey when it is opened and exposed to the environment of the room. The bee industry was taken to task in the courts and has provided hand out's on the subject that are given to all new mothers by their doctors at our expense. It is suggested not to feed honey to new born infants until they have developed enough to handle the bacteria. This is another way of saying they will get the immunity to the bacteria from sources other then honey as all must develop an immunity from the bacteria in time. Actually most mother's would not feed much honey to a infant in the first place the same as they would not feed them prune juice, no one like's to change runny diapers. But it's certainty a serious matter to the California public health doctor who took on the giant honey industry >from his public office and received these concessions from the industry as it was cheeper to give in then have him try to prove all crib deaths were somehow related to honey. My advise is NOT to feed honey to infants, no more honey teats or treats. They don't buy or eat much anyway, and as soon as they are old enough to go the store with mom they will want some Honey ABC's Cereals and then we got them hooked for life on honey. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Just don't feed the results Honey at an early age. Opinion is not necessarily fact, check with your doctor. From roe@crosfield.co.uk Thu Jul 6 12:05:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Where have all the bees gone? Message-ID: <1995Jul3.144048.1391@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3suucr$7st@uuneo.neosoft.com> <3t8lk2$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:40:48 GMT Lines: 24 In article <3t8lk2$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Richard Yates writes: > >I have seen some small red-brown mites on my bees, also piggybacking. These do >not seem to harm the bees, which occasionally seem to carry more than one mite. >The mites are about the size of the ball in a medium Biro, & will shuffle about >if poked with the corner of the hive tool edge. I have seen them for some time >in a supposedly varroa-free area. > >Can anyone hazard a guess as to what these mites might be? [N.P.I. :) ] Braula. They're insects (6 legs) not mites (8 legs) and are more or less harmless. It's worth learning the difference, especially if you haven't got varroa yet. Braula are longer than they're wide and the legs are easily visible. They are usually found on the top of the bee's thorax. Varroa are just the opposite - wider than they're long and with non-obvious legs. If found on adult bees they're usually underneath the abdomen. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 12:05:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: 3 Jul 1995 11:38:41 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com rodl@cat.co.za (Rod Ladwig) wrote: >I would like to know what the best method is for controlling waxmoth in >extracted supers and brood frames that have been put into storage? > I s'pose you might fumigate them with sulphur & then prevent further ingress of Wax Moth by wrapping the boxes. Acetic acid fumes gasp wheeze need a reasonable "airing" period b4 re-use, & fumigation is faster. There may be some substance to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? Richard. ~~~~~~~~ From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 12:05:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuroshio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where have all the bees gone? Date: 3 Jul 1995 11:51:30 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3t8lk2$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> References: <3sldfl$mva@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3suucr$7st@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:3suucr$7st@uuneo.neosoft.com patmcg@new-orleans.neosoft.com (Patrick McGuire) wrote: > The very next day I was observing my 7 hives and out of the >entrance of one hive strolls this drone with a mite piggy backing in the >middle of the thorax. The drone was black and the mite was bright orange >so this little Halloween surprise really was obvious. I have seen some small red-brown mites on my bees, also piggybacking. These do not seem to harm the bees, which occasionally seem to carry more than one mite. The mites are about the size of the ball in a medium Biro, & will shuffle about if poked with the corner of the hive tool edge. I have seen them for some time in a supposedly varroa-free area. Can anyone hazard a guess as to what these mites might be? [N.P.I. :) ] Richard. ~~~~~~~~ From tittle@netcom.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!tittle From: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Message-ID: Sender: tittle@netcom20.netcom.com Reply-To: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: Disorganized in Orange County, CA References: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:10:02 GMT Lines: 21 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:131868 rec.animals.wildlife:3967 rec.birds:22470 rec.pets:34756 rec.pets.birds:37077 rec.pets.cats:97032 rec.pets.herp:37912 sci.agriculture:5459 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2152 pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) writes: > 4) m.a.f.flightless to m.a.f.ratites > 6) With respect to the misc.animals.farming.birds.* hierarchy a >Gateway Proposed: DOM_BIRD@PLEARN.EDU.PL <=> > misc.animals.farming.birds.misc > misc.animals.farming.birds.misc > misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites So, does birds go in or not? I think it's an unnecessary level. But at least fix the discrepancy in 1). --Cindy -- _________________________Cindy Tittle Moore___________________________________ Internet: tittle@netcom.com USmail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 WWW: http://www.io.com/user/tittle/ From rogerpost@delphi.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!rogerpost From: rogerpost@delphi.com (Roger Post) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Proper Atire Date: 4 Jul 1995 05:17:31 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 1 Message-ID: <9507040053591.The_Win-D.rogerpost@delphi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Roger Post I am with Grand Father From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: loosestrife continued Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <950703061233222@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <173CD10FC0.IEI036G@TJUVM.TJU.EDU> Lines: 71 ---------------------------------------- From: "La Reine de la Cite' des Phoques (Liz Day)" Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 22:12:21 -0500 Subject: loosestrife continued From: Andy Nachbaur >From: bb22@cornell.edu (Bernd Blossey) I am not a scientist, or do I have a doctorate. It is also true that I am a beekeeper and beekeepers will be damaged because wildflower pasture bees depend on Andy, (sorry, I couldnt' keep shut on this!) I'm sure you are right that reduction of the loosestrife population will hurt honey collection. Some would say that your position is also one of the "special interest" , or the elite groups, considering that this EA relies disproportionately on your own research and opinion seeing that 6 of the 17 references listed to support the EA have your name on them. I would venture a gues s that you are in no small part dependent on public monies to do your research and must convince others that your research has great value in order to generate support including special interest groups. This really bristles me backwards. Don't beekeepers also receive the benefits of some research done with public money? You have the bias backwards - people become scientists because they find these matters (ecology, etc.) important - not for the money. I bet you didn't become a beekeeper just for the money either. Nobody is getting rich on ecological research grants, trust me! Further, I and the fairly large number of people who care about America's indigenous ecology really, really resent being called a special interest group. Maybe I am in a minority. But I resent it anyway. A LOT. destruction of non target native wildflowers is not a positive benefit to anyone but those with special interests. It's not a benefit to anyone at ALL. It's a tradeoff. The loss of honeybee pasture is a tradeoff too. I am sorry as I know beekeepers do not need any more problems than they have now. The total lack of financial responsibility by those who would release these plant pests if their opinions and research were wrong and the new plant pests were to become destructive on other wildflowers or crops is not a positive benefit but a real risk. Well..... one could equally argue that you as a beekeeper care only for your own monetary interest and care nothing for the USA's disappearing wild land. I hope this is not so. some beneficial effects that an exotic plant may have for >bees does not outweigh the overall negative environmental effects. I agree. My personal opinion is that the value of the lost pasture for bees and other insects will grater then the benefits of the release of these plant insects [rest deleted] I hold out for the insect release. Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, USA From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Two Cents Re: purple loosestrife Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 16:04:00 GMT Message-ID: <950703170654229@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 09:08:36 -0500 Subject: My Two Cents Re: purple loosestrife 1) I only started reading this list a couple of weeks ago. It's very interesting, informative and lively. I wish I had started looking at it sooner. 2) I'm not a beekeeper, and never have been one... yet. I would like to start one of these days. 3) I've already learned a lot, and hope to learn much more. There's an attitude of mutual support which is nice to see. 4) If this is a moderated list, it seems like time for someone to suggest moderation; if not, maybe it's time to stop responding to Andy Nachbaur and get on to more rational things. The arguments here are NOT about militarism and authoritarianism. This is a SCIENCE question. The personal and hearsay arguing just makes a lot of angry, frustrated readers. Stick to science - facts, reasoning. It's already established that the plant is highly invasive and disturbs habitat, bees won't be left without forage if some purple loostrife is eliminated, and that eradication is not even an expected outcome. (Please excuse the editorialism, but Andy's arguments for his bees seem uni-faceted and petulant in the face of a complex problem.) The question is about the efficacy of using the insects being suggested, the risk of unanticipated effects, and how radically the die-off will affect the immediate environment. Can we address those considerations? I was curious to know more about the insects being considered? ARE they the same ones used in the Canadian control effort? Have they been used anywhere else? What do the previously mentioned studies have to say? Etc. Jackie O'Keefe Austin, Tx. From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: My Two Cents Re: purple loosestrife Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 16:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <950703170654230@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 41 ----from the BEE-List Group------------- ---------------------------------------- >From: "Jackie O'Keefe" >To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 09:08:36 -0500 >Subject: My Two Cents Re: purple loosestrife >petulant in the face of a complex problem.) The question is about the >efficacy of using the insects being suggested, the risk of unanticipated >effects, and how radically the die-off will affect the immediate >environment. Can we address those considerations? I was curious to know Hi Jackie, You can rest assured that I don't normally post to this LIST group often and as the comment period expires July 12 so should the posts on Purple Loosetrife. The real question is that to those who would take the time to comment as to what choice they would want the Forest Service to make. It is a political decision made with the best scientific information the Forest Service can buy and public comment is an consideration. The three alternative plans are: A) NO ACTION, which means to continue with Purple Loosetrife control at local levels using already approved methods. I favor this plan. B) RELEASE ALL READY APPROVED BEETLES, as soon as they can be freed of unwanted internal parasites. C) BIOLOGICAL CONTROL, Release three additional non-native beetles species that in time will damage only 10% of the Loosetrife and other non-target wildflowers in all 48 states with no controls. All that I have suggested is to read the Environmental Assessment which is only 21 pages. I did, and I am not convinced that any of these new plant pests should be released based on what I read. ttul Andy- From rnoak@access.texas.gov Thu Jul 6 12:05:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do Bee Stings Help Arthritis? Date: 4 Jul 1995 02:03:34 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-21-10.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Do be stings help folks with arthritis? If so please give details of the treatment. Thanks Chris From mjensen@crl.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 21:15:01 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates wrote: > There may be some substance > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. Mann Lake is trying to get approval, but there is no way to know if and when they will be successful. However, there is another source for para, janitorial suppliers sell para as hockey puck shaped blocks for use in urinals. Make sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are really bad news. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!roots From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (J. Pimentel) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Followup-To: news.groups Date: Tue, 04 Jul 95 04:36:03 GMT Organization: None that I know of Lines: 491 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132013 rec.animals.wildlife:3984 rec.birds:22482 rec.pets:34767 rec.pets.birds:37116 rec.pets.cats:97130 rec.pets.herp:37952 sci.agriculture:5463 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2159 ===================================================================== This revision supercedes the 2nd RFD previously labeled: 2nd RFD: rec.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Is hereafter referred to as: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Revisions to this RFD include: Section I 1) rec.animals.* to misc.animals.* 2) m.a.answers to m.a.info 3) m.a.agriculture.* to m.a.farming.* 4) m.a.f.birds.flightless to m.a.f.birds.ratites 5) m.a.wild.* to m.a.wildlife.* 6) m.a.w.tooth-whales to m.a.w.marine-mammals 7) m.a.w.felines.* combined into m.a.w.felines 8) m.a.w.wolves to misc.animals.wildlife.canines 9) m.a.w.foxes removed and combined in m.a.w.canines Section II No Change Notes: 1) The RFD is broken into two major sections (this is nothing new from the 2nd RFD). Section I deals with creating groups and renaming two. Section II deals with renaming the entire hierarcy of rec.pets.* to misc.animals.pets.*. The other two categories in misc.animals.* include farming animals and wild animals. It is understood that pets are animals, but that is not the purpose of this additional section. 2) Section I in the CFV (this is not the CFV) will be acted upon individually. That is each creation or renaming (2 groups) will be a separate vote, each may pass or fail on it's own. 3) Section II in the CFV will be acted upon as a cluster move of all the groups in one hierarchy to another hierarchy, and will be handled as one vote. In the CFV it will proposed to move rec.pets.* to misc.animals.pets.*, this may pass or fail on it's own. 4) Section I passes/fails will not effect Section II pass/fail and visa-versa. 5) This is a major addition to USEnet and there will be a lot of groups listed here. If you find the number of newsgroups overwhelming you're not alone. 6) With respect to the misc.animals.farming.birds.* hierarchy a concern was raised that there was only one group listed beyond the .misc, this does occur from time to time. 7) With respect to the FAQ-INFO post mentioned in the RFD, it will posted to the groups mentioned in the cross-post line of the RFD, specifically: (With the exception of news.announce.newgroups) news.groups, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.birds, rec.pets, rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.herp, rec.pets.dogs.info, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping. 8) A copy of this RFD will be posted to news.announce.newgroups where it will sit while David Lawrence is on vacation until 10 July. Thank you for your participation in this RFD. John Pimentel ======================================================================= 3RD REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) Co-Proponents: Kathryn A. Smith Steven Whatley Michael & Susan Harmon Bob Weber Jim Buscher Mentor: John Pimentel Distribution of Newsgroups: world Gateway Proposed: DOM_BIRD@PLEARN.EDU.PL <=> misc.animals.farming.birds.misc Distribution of RFD: The complete official messages - RFD, CFV and vote results will be posted to these required or affected newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.animals.wildlife, rec.birds, rec.pets, rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.herp, rec.pets.dogs.info, sci.agriculture, sci.agriculture.beekeeping and an edited version will go to these mailing lists: CC: *cagtag-l@plearn.edu.pl *canine-l@psuvm.psu.edu *dom_bird@plearn.edu.pl *emu-ratite@yournet.com *exotic-l@plearn.edu.pl *feline-l@psuvm.psu.edu *ferret-request@cunyvm.cuny.edu *jardine@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu *poiceph@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu *ratite-news@peinet.pe.ca *senegal@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu Separate RFD/CFV's will be sent, in batches, to these effected newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities, rec.pets.dogs.breeds, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.misc, alt.wolves, alt.pets.rabbits, alt.pets.ferrets, alt.pets.hamsters, alt.chinchilla, alt.animals.bears, alt.animals.dolphins, alt.animals.felines, alt.animals.felines.lions, alt.animals.felines.snowleopards, alt.animals.foxes, alt.animals.raccoons, alt.agriculture.misc, alt.med.veterinary, alt.skunks AND any other effected groups that may need notification. NOTE: This is not a Call for Votes. Do not try to vote now. Follow-ups set to news.groups, please honour. See the "Procedure" section, below, for details. Procedure: Interested parties are encouraged to comment on this proposal in news.groups. Please post your comments *only* in news.groups. After 21 days, if there appears to be a strong consensus in favor of this proposal as it is written here, a CFV will be posted, which will initiate the voting process; otherwise, discussion will continue until a more refined proposal can be prepared. Again, please do *not* vote now. The voting process has not begun, and your votes will be DISCARDED if you attempt to do so. For more information on the newsgroup creation process, see the documents entitled "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Usenet Newsgroup Creation Companion" by David Lawrence , posted regularly to news.groups, news.announce.newusers, and news.answers, and available for ftp at rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet/news.groups. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= With the number of users of the Internet increasing, the need to reorganize the animal groups is increasing as well. New users have a difficult time finding the many scattered animal groups and then are confused about which group is the appropriate group to post to because the names are not very descriptive. With this proposal we wish to create a newsgroup skeleton that will hopefully, in time, better organize and name the scattered animal groups. Please read each SECTION carefully. Keep in mind that when a CFV is posted: 1) each newsgroup that is either created or renamed will be voted on separately (that way we eliminate creating newsgroups that do not have lots of demand) AND 2) each SECTION of the proposal will be voted on separately (SECTION I may pass but SECTION II may fail, or SECTION II may pass and some of the newsgroups created in SECTION I may fail) Although this type of independent "rename and create" is not common, there are several precedents to the same type of voting procedure. This occured with both comp.windows.ms.*-->comp.os.ms-windows.* and rec.games.deckmaster.*-->rec.games.trading-cards.*. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SECTION I Status : only misc.animals.info will be moderated Create the following groups: misc.animals.misc misc.animals.farming.misc misc.animals.farming.birds.misc misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites (moderated) misc.animals.info misc.animals.health misc.animals.marketplace misc.animals.wildlife.bears misc.animals.wildlife.felines misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals misc.animals.wildlife.canines rec.pets.ferrets rec.pets.marketplace rec.pets.rabbits rec.pets.rodents.misc rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters rec.pets.support Rename the following groups: rec.animals.wildlife ...... to misc.animals.wildlife.misc rec.birds ................. to misc.animals.wildlife.birds Newsgroups line: misc.animals.misc ............... Catch-all group for animal related topics misc.animals.farming.misc .................... Any animal used as livestock misc.animals.farming.birds.misc .......... Domesticated/farmyard birds only misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites ....... For emus, ostriches, rheas, etc. misc.animals.info ...... For FAQs, charters, and general info about animals misc.animals.health ........ For general questions concerning animal health misc.animals.marketplace . Place ads to buy/sell animals & animals products misc.animals.wildlife.misc ........................ All species of wildlife misc.animals.wildlife.bears ...................... Topics relating to bears misc.animals.wildlife.birds ...................... Topics relating to birds misc.animals.wildlife.felines ...................... All species of felines misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons ................ Topics relating to raccoons misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals .... Topics relating to marine-mammals misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wolves & wolf crosses rec.pets.ferrets ........................... Topics relating to pet ferrets rec.pets.marketplace ............ Place ads to buy/sell pets & pet products rec.pets.rabbits ........................... Topics relating to pet rabbits rec.pets.rodents.misc ........................... All species of pet rodent rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas ........... Topics relating to pet chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters ................. Topics relating to pet hamsters rec.pets.support ......................... Topics related to support issues RATIONALE: The discussion of birds used in farming, like emus, chickens, quail, pheasants, and ostriches, do not fall into the wildlife or pet categories. So, we propose the creation of misc.animals.farming.birds.misc and m.a.farming.birds.ratites. Future growth in the m.a.f.birds.* could be along the lines of game birds (pheasants, turkeys, peacocks, quail, etc.), pigeons (fancy and homing), water fowl (ducks, geese), etc. The m.a.f.m group will be a catch-all group for the discussion of sheep, cows, pigs, and other farm animals. As deemed necessary, more misc.animals.farming.* newsgroups can be formed. Due to the large number of animal related newsgroups, having a place a person can go that will assist them in choosing which newsgroup to read and post to is necessary. Therefore, we are proposing the creation of the newsgroup misc.animals.info. This newsgroup will post the charters and FAQs for each of the animal newsgroups (if available) as well as other sites on the internet that could be of interest to animals enthusiasts. This newsgroup will be moderated by Ronda Devold at devold@badlands.NoDak.edu. Much of the discussion on the animal related newsgroups involves the health and general well-being of animals. Therefore, we propose the newsgroup misc.animals.health. The purpose of the newsgroup is to help individuals become better informed about the problems that they may encounter while caring for animals, and, to offer possible solutions to these various problems. Acquired, hereditary, and traumatic disorders can be discussed in this newsgroup, as well as questions regarding nutrition and feeding. This newsgroup is not intended to replace veterinary care, but rather to help individuals ask the "right" questions when an animal must be seen by a qualified veterinarian. Although this newsgroup is not moderated, it will be monitored by veterinarians. There has been discussion in many of the newgroups for a place to advertise animals and animals related products for sale. Therefore, we propose the creation of the newsgroups misc.animals.marketplace and rec.pets.marketplace. Having a separate newsgroup for people wishing to buy or sell something will reduce the number of these messages showing up in the different animal groups. These proposed newgroups will offer buyers and sellers a more narrowed audience in which to advertise then currently seen in the various *.forsale newsgroups. For the current newsgroup rec.birds, there exists a confusion about what types of birds can be discussed there. This group is for wild birds only. So, we propose to rename rec.birds to misc.animals.wildlife.birds. And, to go along with that change, we propose to rename rec.animals.wildlife to misc.animals.wildlife.misc. In no way do we intend to demine the importance of misc.animals.wildlife or make it less visible. We simply want to make it consistant with the rest of the misc.animals.* hierarchy. While creating this misc.animals.* hierarchy we need to give the alt.animals.* and alt.pets.* folks a chance to join the misc.animals.*, rec.pets.* groups, or misc.animals.pets.* group (if SECTION II of this proposal passes). There are numerious wild and pet animals groups that currently exist in alt. Finally, loss of a beloved pet can be devastating. We are proposing the creation of rec.pets.support to help those who have lost their pet deal with the pain and grief. Other emotional issues involving pets will be discussed here as well. rec.pets.support will be an informal support group for dealing with human-animals relationships by talking with others that are going through (or have gone through) a similar ordeal. BACKGROUND: In an *initial* survey conducted over a five day period on the newsgroups rec.birds, rec.pets, and rec.pets.birds, the following results were seen. Out of the 40 people responding to the survey, 20 voted YES to adding a newsgroup about domesticated birds and 3 voted NO. For changing the name of rec.birds to something more descriptive, 33 voted YES for some type of name change and 0 voted NO. In an *cursory* poll conducted in the newsgroups alt.pets.rabbits, of the 25 individuals that responded, 20 voted that they would like to have a newsgroup for rabbits listed under rec, 4 said Maybe, and 1 said No. In a separate *cursory* poll conducted on alt.pets.hamsters, only six individuals responded, but all said YES they would like a hamsters newsgroup listed under rec. Also, in scanning through the posts of rec.birds and rec.pets.birds for approximately 12 days, there were 2-3 posts per day that could have been discussed in the proposed newsgroups misc.animals.farming.birds or m.a.farming.birds.ratites. Several of the posts dealt with questions and answers on how to raise domesticated birds (i.e. pigeon, doves, and ducks). On two separate occasions, a letter was posted to both rec.birds and rec.pets.birds because there was not a distinct and obvious newsgroup that covered the topic of the letter (i.e. a domesticated bird). Also, from asking the subscribers to the LISTSERV mailing list, EXOTIC-L, I found out that several people on the list raise domesticated birds as well as have indoor, exotic birds as pets. This was also true of one individual who posted to rec.pets.birds in response to one of the domesticated bird posts mentioned above. Also, since the creation of the LISTSERV mailing list DOM_BIRD (Forum for Domesticated/Farmyard Birds) on 3/29/95 the list has grown to over 90 subscribers (with more individuals subscribing every day); while, the mailing list emu-ratites current has over 120 subscribers. This demonstrates that there is an audience of individuals that simply require a forum in which to speak. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The following SECTION is proposed in order to combine the animal related topics under one hierarchy. This SECTION will be voted on separately from the groups listed in SECTION I. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SECTION II Rename the entire rec.pets.* hierarchy to misc.animals.pets.* rec.pets ..................... to misc.animals.pets.misc rec.pets.birds ............... to misc.animals.pets.birds rec.pets.cats ................ to misc.animals.pets.cats rec.pets.dogs.activities ..... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.activities rec.pets.dogs.behavior ....... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.dogs.breeds ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.breeds rec.pets.dogs.health ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.health rec.pets.dogs.info ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.info rec.pets.dogs.misc ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.misc rec.pets.dogs.rescue ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.rescue rec.pets.ferrets ............. to misc.animals.pets.ferrets rec.pets.herp ................ to misc.animals.pets.herps rec.pets.marketplace ......... to misc.animals.pets.marketplace rec.pets.rabbits ............. to misc.animals.pets.rabbits rec.pets.rodents ............. to misc.animals.pets.rodents.misc rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas . to misc.animals.pets.rodents.chinchillas rec.pets.rodents.hamsters .... to misc.animals.pets.rodents.hamsters rec.pets.support ............. to misc.animals.pets.support If it passes, all other groups mentioned in the RFD/CFV, as well as exitsting rec.pets.* groups, will have misc.animals as their base hierarchy. If it fails, all these groups will have rec.pets as their base hierarchy. RATIONALE: The internet is expanding expotentially with each passing day. Therefore, we believe that now is the best time to create a misc.animals.* hierarchy, due to the increasing traffic and variety of posts found in the many existing animal newsgroups. Our proposal will create a flexible and easily expandable hierarchy called misc.animals.* where a wide variety of topics concerning animals can be discussed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSED CHARTERS: The *complete* charter for each newsgroup in SECTION I can be seen in the FAQ for misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* Hierarchies A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EACH GROUP IN SECTION I: Please see the proposed charters for the list of what can and cannot be discussed in each newsgroup. In all cases, any topics that would clearly fit into a pre-existing newsgroup should be discussed in that newsgroup (i.e. exotic, pet birds should only be discussed in rec.pets.birds, not in misc.animals.farming.birds.* or misc.animals.wildlife.birds.misc) misc.animals.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.misc will be a catch-all newsgroup for any animal related topic that does not have a clearly defined, pre-existing newsgroup. misc.animals.farming.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.misc will be open to the discussion of topics related to any species of animal used as livestock, ex, cattle, fowl, rabbits, sheep, etc. misc.animals.farming.birds.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds.misc will be open to discussion of topics related to birds that are used as livestock. misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites will be open to discussion of topics related to the owning, breeding, and farming of ratites (i.e. emu, ostrich, rheas, etc.). misc.animals.info The proposed *moderated* newsgroup misc.animals.info will be open to the placement of the animal related newsgroup's charters and FAQs. A list of other animal related sites on the internet will also be maintained. Ronda DeVold will be the moderator for this newsgroup. misc.animals.health The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.health will be open to the discussion of any topic relating to animal health in general. This newsgroup is not meant to replace veterinary advice or care, but rather allow the individual to ask "informed" questions about an animals health and well-being. Although not moderated, this newsgroup will be monitored by veterinarians. misc.animals.marketplace The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.marketplace will be open to people placing ads to buy and sell animals and animal related products, with the exception of pets and pet products. misc.animals.wildlife.misc This newsgroup will be renamed from the existing group misc.animals.wildlife and will be open to the discussion of many topics involving wild animals. The charter for this new group will be the same as for misc.animals.wildlife. misc.animals.wildlife.bear The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.bears will be open for the discussion of topics relating to bears. misc.animals.wildlife.birds This newsgroup will be renamed from the existing group rec.birds and is for the discussion of wild birds and bird watching. The charter for this new group will be the same as for rec.birds. misc.animals.wildlife.canines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.canines will be open for the discussion of topics relating all species of wild and captive canines. Discussion of domesticated canines is not allowed; however, discussion of wolf crosses kept as pets will be allowed. misc.animals.wildlife.felines The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.felines will be open for the discussion of topics relating to all species of wild felines (with the exception of feral domestic cats). misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons will be open for the discussion of topics relating to raccoons. misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals The proposed unmoderated newsgroup misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals will be open for the discussion of topics relating to all species of marine mammals. rec.pets.ferrets The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.ferrets will be open to topics relating to the care and ownership of pet ferrets. rec.pets.marketplace The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.marketplace will be open to people who wish to buy and sell animals that are kept as pets, as well as, pet related products. rec.pets.rabbits The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rabbits will be open to any topic relating to the care and ownership of pet rabbits. rec.pets.rodents.misc The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.misc will be open to topics that involve rodents kept as pets. rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas will be open to topics that involve chinchillas kept as pets. rec.pets.rodents.hamsters The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.rodents.hamsters will be open to topics that involve hamsters kept as pets. rec.pets.support The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.pets.support will be open to support issues involving pets. --- From phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 12:05:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!not-for-mail From: phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Graham Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Acarine Date: 4 Jul 1995 10:56:25 +0100 Organization: University of Warwick, Coventry, UK Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3tb389$6fh@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: crocus-fddi.csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last night I discovered that two of my colonies, sited next to each other, are suffereing from acarine, one quite severely. I tried to get Folbex today to treat it but it is no longer sold in the UK. I have heard that menthol can be used, but that is all I know. There seems to be no licenced treatment available in the UK, except to requeen with a resistant strain. Has anyone got any other ideas? graham phrrv@csv.warwick.ac.uk From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:05:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Happy 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <950704070304240@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 23 __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Why is this bee saying ZZUB? | | | | | | ? | | \ _ / | | /O O \ _ b Z | | \~~~ / // \ u Z | | /--\// )) z z U | | ()==/()== \__./ Z z u b z Z B | | ()=( ()= ) u b | | \____/\/\-> | | |||| | | (/ \) | | | | That's what a bee say's flying backwards..ZZUB! | | | |____________________________________________________________| : From a talk to beekeepers by Prof. Norman Gary, retired.. : \___________________________________________________________/ From katsmith@vt.edu Thu Jul 6 12:06:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!hookup!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 4 Jul 1995 15:28:55 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech/Blacksburg Electronic Village Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-5.sl007.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132067 rec.animals.wildlife:3994 rec.birds:22496 rec.pets:34773 rec.pets.birds:37155 rec.pets.cats:97190 rec.pets.herp:37983 sci.agriculture:5469 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2162 In article <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net>, pimentel@roots.ultranet.com says... > 8) m.a.w.wolves to misc.animals.wildlife.canines > 9) m.a.w.foxes removed and combined in m.a.w.canines >misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wolves & wolf crosses This will be changed to : misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wild and captive canines Sorry for the error. With all the suggestions and changes, it is difficult to catch each modification. Kathy From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:49:00 GMT Message-ID: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 55 *Not all the mail I get on this subject has been anti beekeeper. passed on with permission. ---------------------------------------- From: jwagner@mindspring.com (Jim Wagner) To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:18:46 -0500 Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion Dear Beefriend, I am a brand new hobby beekeeper, only two hives started this spring. So I have very much to learn and almost nothing to contribute in the way of bee knowledge. I also have an honorable discharge from the U.S. Army and retired after 30 years of Federal Government service as a civilian. For the past ten years I have raised beef cattle and pecans. I have served on the board of directors of our state cattlemen's association, state farm bureau advisory committee on pecans and extension advisory committee. I am also a master gardener. None of that is really relevant to this discussion, I just wanted to set the background I have been lurking on the Bee-L list for several months where I have been following the many comments regarding purple loostrife. I always enjoy your postings on any subject because I find your opinions seem to reflect some common sense and are expressed very well. In my opinion your reply to Dr. Blossey was 100 per cent on target. I agree with each and every statement you made. The opinions you expressed in your reply to Dr. Blossy were well thought out and well expressed. If there was any tirade it was in Dr. Blossey's reply to you. I think you gored his sacred ox. There is no gurantee that biological controls of purple loostrife will be restricted to purple loostrife. Who knows what other plants and crops will be affected? Once these non-indigenous biological controls are released there is no way to call them back if it is later discovered that they are harming beneficial plants and crops. Too often scientists and bureaucrats are quick to push some wonder cure on the general public only to find out later that their cure is worse than the bite. Many of these scientists and bureaucrats are driven solely by their desire for recognition and justification for their employment. It's a well known fact that professors and researchers in most universities must publish or perish. Perhaps this is one of the driving forces behind Dr. Blossey's vitriolic attack on you and your opinions. I support your opinion in this matter and believe you have explained your beliefs in a most rational and logical way. Keep up the good work. Ask an enviornmentalist why a human couple can mate and raise a family in an eight by ten room but it takes three square miles for a spotted owl to do the same? Jim Wagner Illigitimi non carborundum From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 6 12:06:02 EDT 1995 Article: 2164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 16:38:49 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <804789529snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk "Richard Yates" writes: > rodl@cat.co.za (Rod Ladwig) wrote: > >I would like to know what the best method is for controlling waxmoth in > >extracted supers and brood frames that have been put into storage? > > > > There may be some substance to store with the > frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? Two standard substances in the UK (presumably elsewhere too) are: PDB crystals (chemical -- paradichlorobenzine) Certan (a biological control) Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From popllama@u.washington.edu Thu Jul 6 12:06:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!popllama From: popllama@u.washington.edu ('PopLlama' K. G. Giambrone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with a novice Date: 4 Jul 1995 16:17:20 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 15 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <3tbpig$s26@nntp5.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul4.u.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: popllama I am a biology major who is becoming more and more interested in beekeeping. Though the only experience I have had with it, consisted of my grandfather who gave up the hobby long before I was born, and has since passed away. I have become aware of a local beekeeper and I want to approach him. What would be the "proper" thing to do? I want to learn as much as I can from this gentleman, and I am willing to work for free - probably for two days a week since I have another job already. How would you like to be approached if you were this beekeeper? popllama@u.washington.edu -- "There are only 23 words" - Psychic TV From tittle@netcom.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!tittle From: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Message-ID: Sender: tittle@netcom21.netcom.com Reply-To: tittle@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: Disorganized in Orange County, CA References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:45:07 GMT Lines: 31 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132084 rec.animals.wildlife:3997 rec.birds:22503 rec.pets:34776 rec.pets.birds:37177 rec.pets.cats:97210 rec.pets.herp:37986 sci.agriculture:5470 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2166 katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) writes: >In article <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net>, pimentel@roots.ultranet.com says... >> 8) m.a.w.wolves to misc.animals.wildlife.canines >> 9) m.a.w.foxes removed and combined in m.a.w.canines >>misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wolves & wolf crosses >This will be changed to : >misc.animals.wildlife.canines .... Topics relating to wild and captive canines That sound extremely imprecise. Is a dog a captive canine? I actually think the first description of wolves and wolf crosses is better. A wolf is a wolf whether captive or not. Again, many of the subheirarchies are redundant. misc.animals.wolves, for example, it's abundantly clear that wolves are wildlife. Oh, and consider: a captive wolf or a wolf-hybrid is NOT wildlife since they are no longer in the wild. I believe that wildlife is very specifically focused on the interaction of animals in the wild, which would exclude captive animals. --Cindy -- _________________________Cindy Tittle Moore___________________________________ Internet: tittle@netcom.com USmail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 WWW: http://www.io.com/user/tittle/ From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control alternativ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 02:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <950704202021250@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3sp3gv$fuo@uudell.us.dell.com> <950626203412141@beenet.com> Lines: 84 MD>From: Mark Dillow >Subject: Re: Varroa control alternativ MD>Andy, >This is a very interesting article. I myself have been >interested in treating my hives in a non chemical way, if it >were possible. Unfortunately, I have seen very little in print >on "organic" beekeeping methods. I would be interested in any >other such infomation that anyone might happen upon. Hello Mark, I have not had time to follow up on this, but I would be very surprised if you could not find the copper materials at a vet supply store, dairy supply, or a big farm supply store. They seem to have everything else. Please let me know if you do follow this up. I was tinkling that it would be worth something just to dump a hand full of copper pennies in the bottom of the hive, but I am sure there are better ways. I can just see some bee inspector getting pushed all out of shape because he found a handful of change in some poor beekeepers hives. Which brings to mind one of those stories that some don't appreciate. In the past I kept my bees in the winter and spring on the coast of central California. I was raised there and spent my winter's there when I first started beekeeping. The distance from my summer home and bee pasture was over 100 miles and for year's all I had was a old model-A pick me up truck to go back and forth. I don't know how I lived without my super duty FORD diesel pick me up that cost $500 per year for just the licence, that old model A, costs about $35. a year for licence and insurance combined. Anyway a new bee inspector came on the job and low and behold I began to get '24 hr. abatement notices for hives I would leave behind to pick up drifters and late swarms. Mostly junk boxes that no one would move or steal. This was a real drag to have to travel back to the coast to pick up these boxes, but who was I to challenge the law and I gritted my teeth and did what I was told. The next spring when I was back on the coast in full force I met the bee inspector and told him how I felt about this, he was not impressed and gave me the tired old story "the law is the law" and he does not make them and I was free to get it changed. Time went by as I kept busy working my bee's. One of the things that I was taught to do was inspect bee's, I am good at it, a natural talent or something. Anyway, when ever I find a hive with AFB, one cell or 10,000 I always mark the cover with big RED letters "AFB" and the date so I can find it when I move the bee's or make a special drag on disease which was almost never because I had less then 1/2 of one percent in most years. A few weeks after I found and marked this hive, which I think now must have been a one cellar along comes der local hive sniffer and a few day's later I get a letter that say's "if this hive is diseased I should pick it up in 24 hrs or bare the full rapt of the government". I felt bad about it so I made the 100 mile trip to the yard to pick up the hive. I developed a bad habit of wanting to see what other's see in my bee's so I arrived early and took a look. Would you believe I could not find any disease in this hive or any of the 100 other's on this location that I carefully inspected. What would you do? Well I had two choices, I was already there and I could pick up this hive and take it to the wax salvage plant as ordered and make some points with the inspector. Or I could call the inspector and waste my time getting him to re-inspect the hive, and have him tell me it did not matter the hive had AFB when he looked at it the first time and I must destroy it. I did neither, what I did was mark every hive in the yard with the big red "AFB" on the tops and came home. I am sure he was ticked off but that was the last time I ever heard from him. He was not game to check all 100 hives and from that day on I have never marked my hive's with "AFB" on the top. I use my initials "AN" and the date, and would you believe..so do several of the young beekeeper's that at one time worked for me and now are doing better then I ever did working their own bee's, but they are not so young anymore. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion's are not necessarily facts. From jharris@hannibal.wncc.cc.ne.us Thu Jul 6 12:06:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!news.mid.net!news.nde.state.ne.us!nlcnews.nlc.state.ne.us!hannibal!jharris From: jharris@hannibal.wncc.cc.ne.us (John Harris) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Followup-To: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 4 Jul 1995 20:59:04 GMT Organization: NLC Nebraska Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3tca2o$kif@nlcnews.nlc.state.ne.us> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hannibal.wncc.cc.ne.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132098 rec.animals.wildlife:4002 rec.birds:22512 rec.pets:34781 rec.pets.birds:37204 rec.pets.cats:97224 rec.pets.herp:38001 sci.agriculture:5471 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2168 : Create the following groups: : misc.animals.misc : misc.animals.farming.misc : (moderated) misc.animals.info : misc.animals.health : misc.animals.marketplace The above proposed news groups are the ones I would verry much like to see available in the News Groups section. Thanks for your consideration. John harris From wgainer@onr.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.onr.com!usenet From: wgainer@onr.com (gainer, wes) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I agree Date: 4 Jul 1995 17:39:34 GMT Organization: Onramp Access, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3tbucm$red@Sierra.onr.com> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: onramp2-1.onr.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132109 rec.animals.wildlife:4004 rec.birds:22520 rec.pets:34786 rec.pets.birds:37214 rec.pets.cats:97239 rec.pets.herp:38005 sci.agriculture:5473 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2169 In article <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net>, pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (J. Pimentel) says: I for one would like to see the areas grow. I also would like to see the following area's added, as I am a bird breeder, and would like to have discussions with like minded people. The areas I am interested in are: misc.animals.farming.birds.misc misc.animals.farming.birds.ratitcs Wes From peter@bonkers.taronga.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!bonkers.taronga.com!peter From: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Organization: Taronga Park BBS Message-ID: References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:29:06 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132113 rec.animals.wildlife:4005 rec.birds:22521 rec.pets:34787 rec.pets.birds:37216 rec.pets.cats:97243 rec.pets.herp:38007 sci.agriculture:5474 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2170 In article , Cindy Tittle Moore wrote: >That sound extremely imprecise. Is a dog a captive canine? I actually >think the first description of wolves and wolf crosses is better. A >wolf is a wolf whether captive or not. But a dhole, tanuki, dingo, or jackal is not a wolf. Whether a coyote is a wolf might be subject to debate, but it is still the most common wild dog in north america... I much prefer the new wording, but if you want to be picky: The description could perhaps be changed to "undomesticated canines"? >Oh, and consider: a captive wolf or a wolf-hybrid is NOT wildlife Wildlife in zoos is still wildlife. They don't suddenly become domesticated because they're captured. From barlin@mbnet.mb.ca Thu Jul 6 12:06:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.mcgill.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!news From: Sam Barlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey and babies Date: 5 Jul 1995 01:46:28 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3tcqtl$533@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <3smkn9$4pa@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> <3t7oci$nav@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial055.mbnet.mb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: sanflet@ix.netcom.com Clostridum Botullium is preasent in background levels in honey,and the problem with babys is that they do not have enough bacteria in there systems yet. But the incidence of it happening is very rare. To be safe it is suggested to that the child be at least six months to one year old. my two cents. Barlin@mbnet.mb.ca From eifert@ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews.netcom.com!netnews From: eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering a hive Date: 5 Jul 1995 02:26:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3tct8q$m8g@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> <804789529snz@apis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wor-ma1-12.ix.netcom.com Hi folks -- This is a question from my uncle down in Marble, North Carolina (near Ashville) who keeps two hives both for honey and to help pollinate his small garden. He's an old beekeeper from Florida who knows much about the gentle craft, but being from Florida he is stumped on how to help a hive survive the winter months in NC. If anyone knows any books or on-line resources on successfully wintering a hive, I would appreciate the info. You can reply to the group or reach me individually at: eifert@ix.netcom.com. Thanks! From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 6 12:06:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!apis.demon.co.uk!Gordon From: Gordon Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Making decrease? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 11:18:51 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: <804943131snz@apis.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Hi all, In a conversation last night with some beekeeping friends, we were talking about this year's swarming (_Heavy_ -- Some of my colonies with new queens just eight weeks old are preparing again to swarm!). We got on to how we should decrease the number of stocks after our artificial swarms, swarm capturing and so on. Everyone admitted some difficulty with this, particularly in high season -- all the books tell you how to make increase but none seem to give much advice about restoring the status quo. There are lots of people out there who must have dealt with this to a greater or lesser extent already. What are your preferred methods please? I reckon our little group here are about to start experimenting with uniting large colonies in mid season. For the record, I personally expect to use the newspaper method to do the uniting with the queen in the lower brood box below a QX (maybe I need a drone exit?), give the brood time to hatch and then move the upper box above the cover board where I hope it will be cleaned of stores. My guess is that this will stay as a thread on the newsgroup/list as it may be of wide interest. However, if you think I'm wrong please say so on the list and ask people to mail me directly. I will then summarise and post a result. I'm away for a couple of days now so I can't answer directly for a while. Thanks in advance, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK From altabios@bham.ac.uk Thu Jul 6 12:06:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do Bee Stings Help Arthritis? Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:26:20 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 In article <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) says: > >Do be stings help folks with arthritis? If so please give details of >the treatment. > >Thanks > >Chris It has been fairly well documented that bee keepers suffer less >from arthritis than the general population. The treatment is simply to get stung on a regular basis. Whether it can 'cure' arthritis or just delay its onset I don't know. I believe some drugs based on bee venom have been tried but not suprisingly, there were side effects. John Fox From pollinator@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering a hive Date: 5 Jul 1995 11:47:31 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 44 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3tec6j$r5f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3tct8q$m8g@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <3tct8q$m8g@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) writes: >This is a question from my uncle down in Marble, North Carolina (near >Ashville) who keeps two hives both for honey and to help pollinate >his >small garden. He's an old beekeeper from Florida who knows much >about >the gentle craft, but being from Florida he is stumped on how to help >a >hive survive the winter months in NC. If anyone knows any books or >on-line resources on successfully wintering a hive, I would >appreciate >the info. You can reply to the group or reach me individually at: >eifert@ix.netcom.com. Thanks! While severe winters can be a part of the problem, I believe pollen is the critical thing. Late season pollens are nutritionally very poor in the area. Commercial beekeepers who go to the mountains for sourwood honey, remove them as quickly as possible afterwards to go to good pollen areas. If you uncle can move the bees into the coastal plain for winter, especially, if he can find fields with blooming wild mustard, they will have high quality pollen every day that they can get out, and will winter well. That's about as close as he could come to Florida conditions, where a variety of pollen is available almost any time. If he can't do that there are three other things possible. Try to move them locally in late summer to the best pollen areas he can find, so they can store away plenty of goldenrod and aster pollen. If he can find swamp hardwood forest anywhere near, he could put the bees there for earliest possible spring pollens - willow, alder, swamp maple, etc. If he cannot move them at all, he may have to use pollen supplements, which would help, but are never as good as natural pollen. Of course varroa must be knocked down to as low as possible in the fall by treatment. And, if he is near apple orchards he may have a problems with poisoned pollen stored away, such as Penncap M (Trademark) or powdered organophosphates or carbamates. Hives with stored poison will not survive winter, but the problem often is not recognized by beekeepers. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 From rclynn@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Acarine Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:04:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 9 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ted68$rdk@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3tb389$6fh@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader I was surprised to hear that Folbex was no longer available in the UK. I know the worldwide product manager Wolfgang Schmid. I'll give him a call tomorrow to see what's going on. Randy Lynn Blossom Ridge Bee Farm 5402 Ashbey Lane, Summerfield, North Carolina, USA 27358 Phone 910-643-4494, email RCLynn@AOL.COM Sideline beekeeper with 35 hives. From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Thu Jul 6 12:06:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail_7/95 Date: 5 Jul 1995 18:55:10 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 209 Message-ID: <3ten6e$594@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf ===================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. >From Andrew Matheson, Director **July 1995** ===================================================== **************** IN THIS ISSUE **************** All go for Costa Rica meeting American professionals reorganize The web gets better and better ************************************* SEE YOU IN CENTRAL AMERICA ************************************* Last month I visited Costa Rica to work on arrangements for next year's important meeting: the sixth IBRA conference on tropical bees; management and diversity. The local organizing committee at the Universidad Nacional Costa Rica has arrangements well in hand for this event. We are working on discount airfares, have a startlingly cheap room rate at the conference hotel, and are finalizing a comprehensive range of tour packages. Plans for the scientific content of the conference are also advanced, with almost all session convenors confirmed and the programme planned in outline. Watch for the second announcement, due out in September, and remember to start planning to be with us from 12 to 17 August 1996. ******************************* AMERICAN ORGANIZATION ******************************* Just landed on my desk is the latest newsletter of the American Association for Professional Apiculturalists, AAPA. For ten years the AAPA has united professionals in research, extension and regulations to better serve the science and industry of US apiculture. It's had a chequered career, though, being much less active during some periods than in others. Now it is standing on the brink of a new era of activity. Marion Ellis, of the University of Nebraska, has formed an internal review committee to evaluate the purpose and future activities of the group. The committee has carefully considered some important questions, and will be making its recommendations at the combined meeting of AAPA and the American Bee Research Conference in September. I believe that professional associations like the AAPA are very important for the well-being of the industry and the professionals serving it. The committee are to be congratulated for putting energy and considered thought into these issues. For further information on the AAPA/ABRC conference in September (in Athens, Georgia), contact Keith Delaplane (who is president of the AAPA) at ksd@uga.cc.uga.edu To contribute to the discussion on AAPA's revitalization contact Marion Ellis (mellis@unlinfo.unl.edu) or any other committee member; Bob Danka, Keith Delaplane, James Bach, John Skinner, Marla Spivak, Tom Webster. The current issue and all subsequent issues of the AAPA newsletter will be available from 1 September on the University of Nebraska World Wide Web pages (http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/entomol/entdept.html). To clarify the terms used, 'American' is used to refer only to the USA. Whether 'apiculture' refers to management only of the honey bee or will include non-apis bees is under discussion. *************************** BUMBLE BEE MEETING *************************** September might seem like a long time away, but you know how time flies when you're having fun. Our next IBRA meeting, Bumble bees for pleasure and profit, is on 23 September and places are filling steadily. Book soon if you want to be sure of a seat. The registration form was in the May B.mail and is available from us at IBRA. ***************************** SUBSCRIBING TO B.MAIL ***************************** You are receiving this issue of B.mail either off a newsgroup, a mailing list such as BEE-L, or directly from IBRA. We are happy to continue supplying it free of charge as a service, but you can make it a little easier for us. Maintaining our ever-growing list of e.mail 'subscribers' to B.mail is getting to be a big chore. We would prefer you to receive this newsletter through one of the mass distribution outlets, as it's easier for us to post it to a few places than to send it to hundreds of subscribers. If you receive B.mail directly but can get it off one of the group channels, please let us know and we'll take your name off our list. Thanks. ******************************************** BEEKEEPERS GATHER IN LAUSANNE ******************************************** Don't forget the 34th international apiculture congress in Lausanne, Switzerland, from 15-19 August 1995. For late booking information contact the congress secretariat at Dentenbergstrasse 50, CH-3076 Worb, Switzerland. IBRA is organizing a symposium on world trade in bees and bee products as part of this congress, to promote discussion on important issues facing world beekeeping. This symposium is sponsored by the British Honey Importers and Packers Association. We will also be at the trade exhibition Apiexpo 95, being held in conjunction with the congress. Come and see us on stand 189, at the foot of the escalators. ************************ THE WEB SPREADS ************************ Response to IBRA's launch on to the World Wide Web was so enthusiastic we've accelerated our plans for further development. From 14 July you can see stage 2 of the IBRA pages, with Links to web pages interesting for beekeepers everywhere. News of new book titles. How to use BeeSearch, IBRA's powerful information retrieval service. News of IBRA's library, including a list of all the journals we receive; probably the most complete list of bee journals anywhere. Archives and the current issue of B.mail. Lots of information about IBRA's three journals, including guidelines for authors and a detailed description of a format for references that can be used by any journal. Don't forget our address; http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html *********************************************** WHAT IS IBRA'S JOURNAL BEE WORLD? *********************************************** We call Bee World the international link between beekeeping science and practice. That's the purpose of this journal, which is really like no other journal in the world. It takes the latest in bee science and beekeeping, and provides topical reviews and digests which are relevant to people everywhere. Articles are written in a very readable style, without too much jargon. Through them non-scientists can get access to a storehouse of new knowledge and ideas. You can be sure that what you read in Bee World is of high quality, as it is a peer-reviewed journal. This means that all articles have been examined by independent experts of international renown, and revised if necessary, before they are accepted for publication. At the heart of Bee World are the review articles for which it is famous. These bring together and assess all the material relevant to a particular subject, so in one place you can cover all the latest information. Our reviews are written by experts who have experience with the subject and are usually involved in active research in the field, so know the information and understand its importance. Bee World reviews stand for some years as the most useful digest of information on their subject. The extensive reference lists included with each review also act as a bibliography for further reference. In the news and views section called 'The Buzz', Bee World has a whole range of interesting stuff from authors all over the place. Sections include: 'Science roundup', 'Bee products', 'World news', 'Beekeeping around the world' and 'Beekeeping techniques': with short articles (often with references and one or two illustrations) on particular topics. There is also a comprehensive guide to future international and national meetings, with reports on some past meetings and items on places to visit for beekeepers. For subscription information or a sample copy contact ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From YSTV04A@prodigy.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!usenet From: YSTV04A@prodigy.com (Richard Mackie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention Property Owners Date: 5 Jul 1995 21:03:37 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3teun9$2bok@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap1.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Upon assuming the office of President, Bill Clinton signed the Global Biodiversity Assessment, an agreement signed by 37 othetr nations, pledging to conserve the Biodiversity of the planet Earth. This agreement identifies over 37,000 areas, some over a million acres in size, that are to be set aside as Ecosystems. Human activity in these Ecosystems will be severely restricted or eliminated entirely. The U.S. commitment to this pledge is the "Wildlands Project" being administered by the Dept of Interior. This project specifies that over 50% of currently held private property in the U.S. will be placed under government administration through the regulatory process. The aforementioned private property will fall into one of the following catagories: 1) Strict Nature Preserve 2) National Park 3) National Monument/Natural Landscape 4) Managed Nature Reserve/Wildlife Sanctuary 5) Protected Landscape/Seascape Through the Freedom of Information Act we have discovered the exact locations of the private property targeted for government acquisition through regulation. If you own property and are interested in knowing if the government intends to convert your property into one of the aforementioned catagories, leave your name and E-mail address in my E- mail box. Richard ystv04a@prodigy.com From jengascat@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jengascat@aol.com (JEngasCaT) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Multi Queen Environment Date: 5 Jul 1995 14:17:09 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jengascat@aol.com (JEngasCaT) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Has anyone else used a two queen or more system with a minimal use of minipulation and/or supervision? Please post or email. Thanx. -Jengas From afrcngry@vnet.ibm.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!athens!scifi!bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com!sernews.raleigh.ibm.com!news@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com From: afrcngry@martin.raleigh.ibm.com Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:47:18 GMT Organization: ISSC Southeast Region Lines: 101 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3te1km$kp7@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> References: Reply-To: afrcngry@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: martin.raleigh.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:132313 rec.animals.wildlife:4028 rec.birds:22566 rec.pets:34821 rec.pets.birds:37321 rec.pets.cats:97440 rec.pets.herp:38055 sci.agriculture:5495 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2180 In , pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) writes: ;>===================================================================== ;>This revision supercedes the 2nd RFD previously labeled: ;> 2nd RFD: rec.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations ;> ;>Is hereafter referred to as: ;> 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations ;> .. snip ... ;> Again, please do *not* vote now. The voting process has not ;> begun, and your votes will be DISCARDED if you attempt to do ;> so. I have yet to see a 'call for votes' on rec.pet.birds. Most casual news group followers are not aware of, nor do they follow 'news.groups'. How about asking the various news group participents their opinion, directly, and letting them vote on the renaming! .. snip ... Why are the following groups (as indicated by a *) being created? ;> SECTION I ;> ;> Status : only misc.animals.info will be moderated ;> ;> Create the following groups: ;> ;> misc.animals.misc ;> misc.animals.farming.misc ;> misc.animals.farming.birds.misc ;> misc.animals.farming.birds.ratites ;> (moderated) misc.animals.info ;> misc.animals.health ;> misc.animals.marketplace ;> misc.animals.wildlife.bears ;> misc.animals.wildlife.felines ;> misc.animals.wildlife.foxes ;> misc.animals.wildlife.raccoons ;> misc.animals.wildlife.marine-mammals ;> misc.animals.wildlife.canines *> rec.pets.ferrets *> rec.pets.marketplace *> rec.pets.rabbits *> rec.pets.rodents.misc *> rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas *> rec.pets.rodents.hamsters *> rec.pets.support :> While the following groups are being renamed? ;>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ;> ;> SECTION II ;> ;>Rename the entire rec.pets.* hierarchy to misc.animals.pets.* ;> ;>rec.pets ..................... to misc.animals.pets.misc ;>rec.pets.birds ............... to misc.animals.pets.birds ;>rec.pets.cats ................ to misc.animals.pets.cats ;>rec.pets.dogs.activities ..... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.activities ;>rec.pets.dogs.behavior ....... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.behavior ;>rec.pets.dogs.breeds ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.breeds ;>rec.pets.dogs.health ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.health ;>rec.pets.dogs.info ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.info ;>rec.pets.dogs.misc ........... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.misc ;>rec.pets.dogs.rescue ......... to misc.animals.pets.dogs.rescue ;>rec.pets.ferrets ............. to misc.animals.pets.ferrets ;>rec.pets.herp ................ to misc.animals.pets.herps ;>rec.pets.marketplace ......... to misc.animals.pets.marketplace ;>rec.pets.rabbits ............. to misc.animals.pets.rabbits ;>rec.pets.rodents ............. to misc.animals.pets.rodents.misc ;>rec.pets.rodents.chinchillas . to misc.animals.pets.rodents.chinchillas ;>rec.pets.rodents.hamsters .... to misc.animals.pets.rodents.hamsters ;>rec.pets.support ............. to misc.animals.pets.support ;> ;>RATIONALE: ;> ;>The internet is expanding expotentially with each passing day. ;>Therefore, we believe that now is the best time to create a ;>misc.animals.* hierarchy, due to the increasing traffic and variety ;>of posts found in the many existing animal newsgroups. Our proposal ;>will create a flexible and easily expandable hierarchy called ;>misc.animals.* where a wide variety of topics concerning animals ;>can be discussed. ;> While I agree that the internet is expanding, the naming convention being proposed makes no sense and is confusing. Renaming 'rec.pets.'... to 'pets.'... is more meaningful and less confusing than to 'misc.animals.pets.'...! Let's not make it difficult for a person to find a group they are interested in. Not all News Readers have a search capability. Ted Martin From rclynn@aol.com Thu Jul 6 12:06:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering a hive Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:53:27 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 28 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3tfmnn$aa5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3tct8q$m8g@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <3tct8q$m8g@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) writes: > he is stumped on how to help a >hive survive the winter months in NC. I learned beekeeping in Ohio and then moved to NC, so I think that the winters in NC are too mild! I have survived 5 winters in Greensboro, NC, in the Piedmont which is a bit milder than the Mountains of Asheville. The only thing he needs is the reduce the entrances about the time of the first frost and make certain that they have at least 30 pounds of stores. Most old timers in NC use a full depth hive body and a shallow super on top to overwinter. I prefer to use two full depth hive bodies to make sure that they have plenty of stores. No need to wrap in tar-paper of anything fancy, just make sure that they have enough food. Other points to remember, treat them for foul brood, Varroa, and tracheal mites, and make sure that they have a good queen to take them through. Randy Lynn Blossom Ridge Bee Farm 5402 Ashbey Lane, Summerfield, North Carolina, USA 27358 Phone 910-643-4494, email RCLynn@AOL.COM Sideline beekeeper with 35 hives. From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Thu Jul 6 12:06:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Multi Queen Environment Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 07:17:02 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 58 Message-ID: <173D36672S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jengascat@aol.com (JEngasCaT) writes: > > Has anyone else used a two queen or more system with a minimal use of >minipulation and/or supervision? Please post or email. Thanx. > >-Jengas I'm in the middle of such an experiment. I started a split on a hive in April, and rather than moving the split off to another site I left it on top of the original hive and have been running a two queen hive. But I can't say that there has been "minimal manipulations". In fact, I doubt I will try this again. The hive is now well over my head (I'm six feet tall) and hefting the top supers is a real chore and quite dangerous on a step ladder. I must say that the hive is producing copious amounts of honey (three medium supers, three shallow supers and one deep) while my other hives have not been producing nearly as much, but I'm not sure that the labor is worth it. I've been following the procedures outlined in _The_Hive_and_the_Honeybee_ ('92 edition), which violate the minimal manipulation/supervision clause above. The procedures call for routine switching of the brood chambers throughout the honey flow. Unstacking the hive requires a step ladder for the first three supers, and heavy lifting over my head just to get to the first brood chamber (1 deep and 1 medium super) which I must set aside and unstack three more supers to get to the bottom brood chamber (the original hive, two deeps). To further complicate matters, even though I used queen excluders to confine the queens in both brood chambers, somehow the top queen got into the honey supers. I assume this happened while I was unstacking/restacking the hive. Once I discovered that the queen was into the honey supers I tried keeping her there by putting a full super above and below the supers in which she was laying. The capped honey supers did NOT confine her where she was, because she crossed over them and started laying in newly added supers that contained foundation only! And in the meantime, the bees continue to bring in more and more nectar and I need to add more supers (gotta get a higher step ladder!) and I find myself running low on spare honey supers (had to buy a lot of five and assemble, paint, etc) in a rush. I admit I was not prepared to manage such a massive production of honey! The last time I was shaking around on the top of the step ladder I swore that I'd never again attempt to manage such a hive. I'd rather be managing two normal hives with three supers each rather that being driven by this monster! But it's producing in a manner I have never seen in my 20 years of keeping bees! If I ever try this again I will be very careful to make sure that the queens remain confined in their respective brood chambers, I will have MANY extra honey supers waiting in the wings, and I will have to do something to make the unstacking/restacking easier - perhaps locate the hive next to my house so I can work the top from a second story window! This hive is truely a monster! It stands about 9 feet and I anticipate harvesting three hundred pounds or more by seasons end. But it is major work compared to running a normal hive. To quote the raven, "Never more, never more!" Aaron Morris - thinking two queens is one too many!